| tritium | hmm, this is not good. I can't see a thing in X. None of the windows refresh properly | 12:02 |
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| \sh | ajmitch: and from my kernel config I can see only that oprofile (kernel profiling) is compiled as module... | 12:02 |
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| \sh | anyways -EOFFTOBED | 12:03 |
| \sh | good night folks :) cu tomorrow^Wlater this day *grmpf* | 12:03 |
| sivang | \sh_away: good night | 12:04 |
| Kyral | REVU upload in 3....2...1..or whenever this Prelink stops | 12:05 |
| sivang | Kyral: nice, I'll try look at it tommorow, I think I'm oing to bed now. work tommorow and it's alrady past midnight :) | 12:06 |
| Kyral | lol okay | 12:06 |
| Kyral | I'm willing to bet there will be some technical error with the package | 12:06 |
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| wBryce | thanks, I'll probably play around with oprofile again later. Possibly in a few weeks/months. | 12:06 |
| sivang | Kyral: I'm also working on some related specs, I'll ping you up when I have them ready for feedback :) | 12:06 |
| sivang | wBryce: thank you for bringing this up, was very interesting | 12:07 |
| wBryce | no problems. I'll be back next time. (even if I just compile my own kernel and oprofile version). | 12:08 |
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| sivang | wBryce: cool, btw - what's your relation to lifeless ? | 12:08 |
| sivang | ;-) | 12:08 |
| tritium | ah, much better in the console :) | 12:08 |
| wBryce | I know him from Dunedin. | 12:08 |
| wBryce | From university. | 12:09 |
| sivang | oh, you just saved me another google query :) | 12:10 |
| sivang | night all, hitting bed | 12:11 |
| wBryce | goodnight as well | 12:11 |
| tritium | good night, sivang | 12:11 |
| sivang | night tritium | 12:11 |
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| hub | hi | 12:13 |
| ajmitch | hmm, another dunedin person then :) | 12:16 |
| Kyral | hmm, the * wildcard is valid in a hosts.allow file right... | 12:17 |
| hub | I got an upload that has been rejected because "Rejected: Unknown distribution `unstable'. | 12:19 |
| hub | " shall I upload a new one to REVU? | 12:19 |
| hub | with breezy instead? | 12:19 |
| ajmitch | yes | 12:19 |
| hub | new version or same version? | 12:19 |
| Kyral | brb reboot | 12:19 |
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| Kyral | and my crusade to completely restrict SSH access to my box to only the computer labs continues | 12:25 |
| ajmitch | Kyral: iptables | 12:26 |
| Kyral | I do | 12:26 |
| Kyral | I also just edited my /etc/hosts.deny and hosts.allow to also deny access to things outside the labs IPBlock :D | 12:26 |
| Kyral | deny has "ALL: ALL" and allow has "ALL: <TheIPBlock>" | 12:27 |
| Kyral | but what takes precedence... | 12:27 |
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| Kyral | I basically want to set up IPTables and the hosts files to deny any incoming connection except SSH connections coming from the labs IPBlock... | 12:29 |
| ajmitch | order is allow, deny | 12:31 |
| Kyral | I actually meant if IPTables comes into effect first or if the hosts files do | 12:31 |
| hub | ajmitch: so shall bump the version to change the distribution? | 12:31 |
| ajmitch | iptables does, of course | 12:31 |
| ajmitch | hub: no need | 12:31 |
| Kyral | ah | 12:31 |
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| Kyral | I wish there was an easy configurer for IPTables.. | 12:32 |
| hub | ajmitch: ok. thx. upload to REVU again then | 12:33 |
| Burgundavia | Kyral, there is | 12:33 |
| Burgundavia | Kyral, firestarter | 12:34 |
| Kyral | psh, firestarter | 12:34 |
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| Kyral | I just want something that helps me make rules and then puts them in iptables. Not something that sits on my system tray | 12:34 |
| Kyral | and emacs > vim | 12:34 |
| slomo | gn8 everybody | 12:36 |
| slomo | Kyral: and emacs is definetly bigger than vim... (but not better ;P ) | 12:37 |
| Kyral | lookie what I found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IptablesHowTo?highlight=%28IPTables%29 | 12:37 |
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| azeem | LaserJock: am now | 12:40 |
| LaserJock | oh, heah cool | 12:41 |
| LaserJock | I joined the ghemical-devel list so I saw your latest emails | 12:41 |
| azeem | ah | 12:42 |
| LaserJock | I was looking at the ghemical source package and had a question | 12:42 |
| LaserJock | It depends on mopac7 right? | 12:42 |
| hub | how does it take to have a newly uploaded package to be valid on launchpad? | 12:43 |
| azeem | ghemical itself doesn't anymore, libghemical can (it does on Ubuntu, bot not on Debian right now) | 12:43 |
| hub | "Invalid source package name enblend" | 12:43 |
| hub | but enblend has been uploaded now to the universe | 12:43 |
| Kyral | okay stupid question. How do I save my current IPTables rules to enable on startup? | 12:43 |
| LaserJock | azeem: ok but I see that ghemical has mopac as a dependency and I saw in the debian/rules it has --enable-mpqc | 12:44 |
| LaserJock | azeem: so does it also need --enable-mopac7 also? | 12:45 |
| ajmitch | hi azeem | 12:45 |
| azeem | LaserJock: hrm, that --enable-mpqc is bogus | 12:45 |
| azeem | LaserJock: if you run ./configure --help in the ghemical source, you will see that there is no such option (anymore) | 12:45 |
| azeem | ajmitch: hi | 12:45 |
| azeem | LaserJock: I forgot to remove it when libghemical arrived | 12:45 |
| LaserJock | azeem: ok, I was wondering, becaus I understood that that stuff was moved to libghemical. I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't missing somethin | 12:46 |
| azeem | nah, thanks for pointing that out :) | 12:46 |
| LaserJock | azeem: anything to help ;-) I'm not really a programmer, just an interested user | 12:49 |
| LaserJock | I am trying to get some of the people in my department to move from Spartan to ghemical for a lot of our simple computational stuff | 12:51 |
| hub | ajmitch: my package lost his "advocates" :-( | 12:52 |
| azeem | LaserJock: cool | 12:52 |
| azeem | LaserJock: I am doing more ab-initio stuff with very small molecules, so ghemical is of limited use to my work right now | 12:53 |
| LaserJock | azeem: I use it a lot for setting up Gaussian calculations. Of most interest to me is being able to quickly create a molecule that has a geometry pretty close to the abinitio one | 12:54 |
| LaserJock | azeem: is use the MM or PM3 | 12:55 |
| LaserJock | azeem: however, I think it has some potential for some of our teaching labs because it is significantly cheaper than Spartan ;-) | 12:55 |
| azeem | heh :) | 12:56 |
| azeem | are you using it as a virtualization tool as well? | 12:56 |
| azeem | eh, visualization | 12:56 |
| LaserJock | azeem: oh yeah. It is good for that | 12:56 |
| Kyral | booyah | 12:57 |
| Kyral | locked down my system ENTIRELY | 12:57 |
| LaserJock | azeem: although I usually do a final version using something else | 12:57 |
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| azeem | LaserJock: I'm using molekel for that mostly, but it's non-free unfortunately, and not maintained anymore | 12:58 |
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| LaserJock | azeem: so far it is the package that is closest to my goal of just needing 1 program that takes care of all my computational needs | 12:58 |
| LaserJock | but I am just a physical chemist and don't do much hard core theoretical stuff so maybe my needs aren't so much ;-) | 12:59 |
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| Kyral | yo Mez | 01:11 |
| Mez | yo | 01:12 |
| Kyral | sup | 01:12 |
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| Mez | not much | 01:15 |
| Kyral | Backports slowing down as Breezy gets closer? | 01:16 |
| tseng | hi Mez | 01:23 |
| bddebian | Heya Mez | 01:25 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Are you still pushing poor azeem? :-) | 01:26 |
| Kyral | hey bddebian mind looking at my dcbu package on REVU and explaining what the Linda error means? | 01:26 |
| azeem | pushing? | 01:27 |
| bddebian | azeem: Trying to get his mopac7 stuff working :-) | 01:27 |
| azeem | but it's working in Ubuntu, no? | 01:27 |
| azeem | I'm currently waiting on upstream to put it into Debian | 01:28 |
| bddebian | Didn't sound like it. I built it in but sounded like it had some bugs? | 01:28 |
| bddebian | Kyral: I don't know for sure. You could try 1.0-0ubuntu1 as a version? | 01:30 |
| Kyral | bddebian, I think it may not like that I appended "~beta" to every version previous to this (look at the changelog) | 01:30 |
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| LaserJock | bddebian: sorry was away for a while. No, I'm being good to azeem ;-) | 01:39 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: I was just kidding :-) | 01:40 |
| LaserJock | do you guys know of anybody working on Scigraphica? | 01:43 |
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| Mez | lo | 01:47 |
| hub | I don't find the page where they say were to upload the files | 02:03 |
| hub | s/upload the files/announce the uploaded file to Debian/ | 02:03 |
| ajmitch | we don't generally announce the uploads, although you can inform the utnubu list if you wish | 02:04 |
| hub | ajmitch: anounce to debian if they want to pick the package | 02:05 |
| hub | I thought we did it at one point | 02:05 |
| ajmitch | depends, do you want to maintain the package yourself in debian? | 02:09 |
| hub | I'm not a Debian developer | 02:10 |
| hub | so.... | 02:10 |
| ajmitch | so? | 02:11 |
| ajmitch | you can still maintain in debian if you have a sponsor | 02:11 |
| hub | why not | 02:14 |
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| LaserJock | so... what happens once Breezy comes out? Is Universe totally frozen and all work is done for Dapper? | 02:46 |
| ajmitch | yes | 02:48 |
| Kyral | Does that mean we have to Dist-Upgrade to Dapper immediately? | 02:49 |
| bddebian | Of course :-) | 02:49 |
| tseng | does that mean its a good idea/ | 02:49 |
| tseng | nope. | 02:49 |
| Kyral | can you gimme a month | 02:49 |
| Kyral | I'd like to see what a stable OS looks like for a while ;P | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | will it be ok to use a Dapper pbuilder environment to start with? | 02:50 |
| Kyral | I should really get around making a pbuilder env | 02:50 |
| Kyral | although I have no clue why I should | 02:51 |
| LaserJock | for me just learning to do packaging, pbuilder rocks | 02:51 |
| Kyral | well, I'm just learning too, and I don't understand why I can't just keep doing my work in a workspace dir in ~ | 02:52 |
| LaserJock | well, for me, I might have installed deps already and I won't catch that I miss putting somethin in the control file or something like that | 02:53 |
| Kyral | I use a script I found in the DNMG | 02:53 |
| LaserJock | what script? | 02:54 |
| Kyral | uhh.... | 02:54 |
| Mez | pbuilder is useful for having an unstable environment, such as dapper, or what was breezy to build in while running a stable environemt for day to day use... it basically means if something breaks in dapper, it doesnt affect you, just you're pbuilder... and that usually just means you cant build a few things. | 02:54 |
| Kyral | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html | 02:54 |
| Kyral | its in there | 02:54 |
| LaserJock | Mez: ohh, yeah that too ;-) | 02:55 |
| Mez | :P | 02:55 |
| Mez | Kyral, are you on about dh_make? | 02:56 |
| Kyral | yah | 02:56 |
| Kyral | I'm learning via the New Maintainers Guide right now | 02:56 |
| Mez | :) | 02:56 |
| Mez | yeah, dh_make is good, but only for new packages | 02:56 |
| Kyral | Yah I've found that out the hard way... | 02:56 |
| Mez | :P | 02:57 |
| Kyral | Actually has anyone fixed gDesklets yet? | 02:57 |
| Kyral | I know it was on the FTBFS list... | 02:57 |
| Mez | the DNMG is a good start, but theres no better tutor than experience... get a motu to check over packages or use REVU) and you'll get a load of help | 02:57 |
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| bddebian | Gotta switch machines, bbiab | 02:59 |
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| LaserJock | are the list of files for UniverseFTBFS and UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile created by hand? | 03:14 |
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| bmonty | evening MOTUs! | 03:32 |
| TMM | hey all | 04:04 |
| TMM | mind taking a look at something for me that is completely ubuntu unrelated? just because you are such nice guys :) | 04:04 |
| TMM | http://braam.sytes.net/~hp/fullmoon.png <--- design for a website I need to do, I just finished it, and I wondered if it doesn't look all that aweful | 04:05 |
| TMM | it's a tad offtopic, I know, I hope you can forgive me :) | 04:05 |
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| bmonty | TMM: looks neat to me | 04:10 |
| TMM | bmonty, cool, thanks, then I think I'll just stick to this | 04:10 |
| bmonty | TMM: only thing I would say is that it might take awhile to load on a slow connection | 04:11 |
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| LaserJock | hiya bddebian | 04:12 |
| bmonty | gah, this FTBFS wiki is a *huge* PITA to update | 04:12 |
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| TMM | bmonty, I know... it won't scale very well either... I'm stuck with this though :( | 04:12 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I was wondering how the FTBFS pages were created | 04:13 |
| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 04:13 |
| bddebian | bmonty: Aye | 04:13 |
| bmonty | hey bddebian | 04:13 |
| bipolar | bddebian, is the libofx stuff fixed yet? | 04:13 |
| bmonty | sweet, just got a call from my bro...time to play some Halo 2 :) | 04:13 |
| ajmitch | hi | 04:14 |
| bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 04:14 |
| bddebian | bipolar: Fixed? What's wrong with it? | 04:14 |
| \sh | re - moins | 04:14 |
| bddebian | Heya \sh | 04:14 |
| \sh | bah...less then 4h sleep | 04:14 |
| bipolar | bddebian, file conflicts between libofx2 and libofx-dev | 04:15 |
| \sh | bipolar: which version of the package? | 04:15 |
| \sh | libofx_0.8.0-3ubuntu6.dsc | 04:15 |
| bipolar | let me try again. maybe I had an old one... | 04:15 |
| TMM | bmonty, thanks | 04:15 |
| \sh | should be fixed | 04:15 |
| bipolar | \sh, libofx? not libofx2? | 04:16 |
| \sh | bipolar: libofx is the source package | 04:16 |
| bipolar | ok | 04:16 |
| Kyral | So Dapper repos will open as soon as Breezy goes stable? | 04:16 |
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| \sh | we hope so... | 04:17 |
| bipolar | I think it's fixed. | 04:17 |
| bipolar | yeah, it's fixed. must have been fixed this afternoon. | 04:18 |
| bddebian | Fucking lyx. It's builds fine in pbuilder but not locally so I can't test my changes. :-( | 04:18 |
| LaserJock | is it possible to create a script for the FTBFS wiki pages? | 04:19 |
| \sh | bddebian: ? | 04:19 |
| \sh | bddebian: what does it mean "not locally" grap the packages and install it ;) | 04:19 |
| \sh | bipolar: no yesterday ;) | 04:19 |
| \sh | ogra: u didn't sleep as I told you ;) | 04:20 |
| bddebian | \sh: dpkg-buildpackage pukes | 04:20 |
| ogra | \sh, on my way to bed | 04:21 |
| \sh | bddebian: dpkg-buildpackage has some problems sometimes | 04:21 |
| \sh | ogra: I wondered, when I saw your uploads ;) | 04:21 |
| ogra | :) | 04:21 |
| \sh | ogra: think u should move to .au ;) | 04:22 |
| ogra | YES ! :) | 04:22 |
| \sh | -3 DAYS | 04:22 |
| ogra | yes :/ | 04:22 |
| bddebian | :-) | 04:23 |
| bddebian | \sh: Aye, so how would I test it? I guess I could try debuild but the damn thing takes 2 hours to build :-( | 04:23 |
| \sh | and when Breezy is out, I'll apply for a alcohol withdrawal treatment (sp?) | 04:23 |
| bddebian | heh | 04:24 |
| \sh | bddebian: pbuilder? and install the package | 04:24 |
| ogra | night all | 04:24 |
| \sh | ogra: good night sleep well friend | 04:24 |
| ogra | :) | 04:24 |
| \sh | bddebian: or send me your patches and I let lyx building while I'm in the office | 04:25 |
| bddebian | \sh: I did a pbuilder build but that doesn't save the .debs does it? | 04:25 |
| bddebian | Night ogra | 04:25 |
| \sh | dooglus: of course /var/spool/pbuilder/result/ | 04:25 |
| \sh | aeh sorry /var/cache/pbuilder/result/ | 04:26 |
| \sh | bddebian: that is | 04:26 |
| \sh | not dooglus | 04:26 |
| bddebian | heh | 04:27 |
| \sh | too early in the morning | 04:27 |
| bddebian | Doh, what an idiot. I was looking in /var/cache/pbuilder/build/ :-( | 04:27 |
| \sh | bddebian: I have here 2 pbuilder running, and everything is in my homedir ;) | 04:28 |
| \sh | bddebian: I'll write a nice howto, how you deal with one two three pbuilders at the same time very niceley, for dapper :) | 04:29 |
| bddebian | Heh. | 04:29 |
| bddebian | Step 1) Get a very fast ass machine ;-) | 04:29 |
| \sh | I'll think I do as well some work on the backports front for dapper | 04:29 |
| === ajmitch thinks he'll sit on the sidelines for dapper | ||
| bddebian | ajmitch: No freakin' way :-) | 04:30 |
| \sh | bddebian: HARHAR...you don't need it...think I'll bring my working laptop to UBZ so everybody can see, how the real hacks are working ;) hmm...for that i have to remove the tobacco, the dust and everything else which doesn't belong in a laptop somehow | 04:30 |
| bddebian | heh | 04:31 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: too late :P | 04:31 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: besides, I don't want to intrude on the territory of the #1 bug fixer | 04:34 |
| bddebian | Hmm, well the .deb has /usr/share/mime/packages/lyx.xml but it didn't seem to install it :-( | 04:35 |
| ajmitch | you checked it with dpkg-deb? | 04:35 |
| bddebian | Yep | 04:35 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Who is the #1 bugfixer, bmonty ? :-_) | 04:35 |
| ajmitch | BddebianIsAGod | 04:36 |
| \sh | just heard "Down Under" from Men At Work :) | 04:36 |
| bddebian | Heh | 04:37 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: No he isn't, ask \sh now. He has changed his tune. ;-P | 04:37 |
| \sh | bddebian: No :) I didn't I just said, that I don't believe in God that's why I left the church ;) | 04:37 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: I added it to lyx-common.install too but that was failing saying it couldn't find lyx.xml | 04:38 |
| ajmitch | right | 04:38 |
| bddebian | right what? | 04:39 |
| === ajmitch sees that trulux decides to resurface now that someone is asking about ubuntu hardened :P | ||
| bddebian | heh | 04:39 |
| ajmitch | and of course he wants to get a bounty for selinux work.. | 04:40 |
| === ajmitch sighs | ||
| Kyral | I just realized something | 04:41 |
| === ajmitch suppresses rants | ||
| Burgundavia | ah rant anyway ajmitch, it should be interesting | 04:42 |
| Kyral | for most Ubuntu Users, the 13th means Upgrade to Breezy day | 04:42 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: nah, I'd rather just sit back, be bitter, & mope | 04:42 |
| Kyral | but for MOTUs (and MOTUs In Training) its Upgrade to Dapper days | 04:42 |
| \sh | Kyral: no | 04:42 |
| ajmitch | nah | 04:43 |
| Kyral | eh? | 04:43 |
| ajmitch | we wait a week or so | 04:43 |
| \sh | Kyral: dapper needs some love first, before we can update | 04:43 |
| Kyral | whew good :D | 04:43 |
| bddebian | Would someone mind looking at this: http://www2.bddebian.com:8000/packages/ubuntu/lyx/lyx_1.3.6-1ubuntu4.debdiff | 04:43 |
| \sh | Kyral: and it's adviced to do your first steps towards dapper in a chroot ;) | 04:43 |
| Kyral | So who is gonna be at UBZ on the 30th? | 04:43 |
| bddebian | To see what I'm missing? | 04:43 |
| === ajmitch will be at UBZ | ||
| === \sh too | ||
| Kyral | I will be :D | 04:44 |
| === ajmitch upgraded to breezy just before UDU | ||
| Kyral | Just for Ubuntu Love, 'cause I have class the rest of the week | 04:44 |
| \sh | diff -u lyx-1.3.6/debian/lyx-common.install lyx-1.3.6/debian/lyx-common.install | 04:44 |
| \sh | --- lyx-1.3.6/debian/lyx-common.install | 04:44 |
| \sh | +++ lyx-1.3.6/debian/lyx-common.install | 04:44 |
| \sh | @@ -6 +5,0 @@ | 04:44 |
| \sh | - | 04:44 |
| \sh | only in patch2: | 04:44 |
| \sh | unchanged: | 04:44 |
| \sh | ajmitch: I updated in the middle of the xorg trans dance | 04:44 |
| ajmitch | I guess I'll have to try & have a fully functioning SELinux system by UBZ then to show off | 04:44 |
| Kyral | I don't have a laptop :( | 04:45 |
| Kyral | But I'll just be there :D | 04:45 |
| === ajmitch has 1 usable laptop | ||
| Kyral | Look for the idiot in a Clarkson T-Shirt | 04:45 |
| === \sh needs a wlan card for his nc6000...think I'll borrow a simple prism pcmcia | ||
| ajmitch | Kyral: what school are you at? | 04:45 |
| Kyral | Clarkson ;P | 04:46 |
| ajmitch | \sh: I'll bring a couple of cards | 04:46 |
| ajmitch | Kyral: doesn't tell me much :P | 04:46 |
| Kyral | www.clarkson.edu | 04:46 |
| \sh | ajmitch: well...I'll bring two laptops ;) | 04:46 |
| ajmitch | CS major? :) | 04:46 |
| Kyral | Bingo | 04:46 |
| ajmitch | \sh: no point me bringing 2 | 04:46 |
| \sh | ajmitch: the r200 and the nc6000 ;) | 04:46 |
| Kyral | Sopomore | 04:46 |
| Kyral | wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrisPeterman | 04:47 |
| ajmitch | since the old laptop is getting progressively more stuffed | 04:47 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Don't give me that sob story, I still have one sitting here.. ;-P | 04:47 |
| ajmitch | battery latch is broken now, so I'll need to tape or glue the battery in :) | 04:48 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: it doesn't get used much now, for good reasons | 04:48 |
| bddebian | \sh: So what did I miss there? | 04:48 |
| Kyral | So yah if you see me come up and say hi ;D | 04:49 |
| Kyral | What usually happens at Ubuntu Love Days anyway | 04:49 |
| \sh | bddebian: u said u added this file lyx.xml to lyx-common.install | 04:49 |
| ajmitch | dunno | 04:49 |
| ajmitch | since we didn't have one at UDU | 04:49 |
| Kyral | lol | 04:49 |
| \sh | Kyral: well...I wonder what will happen on 31st ;) | 04:49 |
| ajmitch | we'll find out when we get there | 04:49 |
| Kyral | I assume a bunch of free stuff | 04:49 |
| ajmitch | eh? | 04:50 |
| ajmitch | why would you assume free stuff? | 04:50 |
| Kyral | Dunno | 04:50 |
| Kyral | I'm hoping | 04:50 |
| Kyral | I'm a college student. Free stuff drives my life | 04:50 |
| bddebian | \sh: I took it back out after I was getting that error. Check the funkiness of debian/rules | 04:50 |
| ajmitch | you might pick up a free ubuntu cd if you're lucky | 04:50 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: ask bob2 | 04:51 |
| Kyral | \sh I won't be able to stay past Ubuntu Love. I have classes | 04:51 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Ask him what? | 04:51 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: you're having fun with lyx, right? | 04:51 |
| \sh | bddebian: hmmm... | 04:52 |
| ajmitch | you do realise that bob2 is a lyx co-maintainer? | 04:52 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: No, I didn't know that | 04:52 |
| ajmitch | you do now ;) | 04:52 |
| ajmitch | and I saw him active on irc 3 minutes ago | 04:53 |
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| bob2 | yo? | 04:55 |
| Kyral | I'll prolly stay in Breezy for a couple months and help out the Backports team before going to Dapper | 04:55 |
| \sh | moins bob2 :) | 04:56 |
| bob2 | oh, btw | 04:56 |
| bob2 | where are people supposed to get support for backport problems? | 04:56 |
| bob2 | do you guys have a user support list/bug tracker? | 04:56 |
| Kyral | UbuntuForums | 04:56 |
| bddebian | bob2: Can you look at this: http://www2.bddebian.com:8000/packages/ubuntu/lyx/lyx_1.3.6-1ubuntu4.debdiff ? | 04:57 |
| bob2 | the forums is all? seriously? | 04:57 |
| bddebian | bob2: /usr/share/mime/packages/lyx.xml shows in lyx-common.deb but isn't getting installed? | 04:57 |
| \sh | bob2: ubuntu-backports ml | 04:58 |
| bob2 | bddebian: how can it be in the package but not be installed? | 04:58 |
| ajmitch | hey bob2 | 04:58 |
| bddebian | bob2: You tell me :-) | 04:58 |
| bob2 | also, should I be bothered that you guys are up to 1ubuntu4 (implying 3 extra uploads) but I have no patches in the Debian BTS? | 04:58 |
| ajmitch | bob2: yes, lart them severely | 04:58 |
| bob2 | bddebian: I don't see that in any of the lyx packages; what's that .xml file for? some gnome mime-type thing? | 04:59 |
| ajmitch | ubuntu1 was loosen build-depends, ubuntu2 was python depends, ubuntu3 is desktop file.. | 04:59 |
| bddebian | bob2: Yes | 05:00 |
| ajmitch | so nothing major for debian :) | 05:00 |
| bob2 | bddebian: (also, careful with your diffs, one of those hunks just delets a blank line) | 05:00 |
| bob2 | ajmitch: ah, right, np then :) | 05:00 |
| bob2 | bddebian: does Debian's gnome support whatever it is? | 05:00 |
| bddebian | bob2: I would assume so but I couldn't say for sure. I run xfce on my Debian box :-) | 05:01 |
| bob2 | ah | 05:01 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: debian gnu/hurd? :) | 05:01 |
| bob2 | bddebian: ok, file a bug in the bts and I'll include it in the next upload (sans whitespace changes) | 05:01 |
| \sh | me is taking now a bug piece of shit named vnc4 | 05:01 |
| \sh | bob2: well...looks like bddebian needs it before the 13th ;) | 05:02 |
| ajmitch | bob2: will you get us a bzr package in the next day or two for breezy? | 05:02 |
| bob2 | ajmitch: yes | 05:02 |
| ajmitch | yay | 05:02 |
| bob2 | ajmitch: 0.1 is apparently today | 05:02 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 05:02 |
| ajmitch | was talking to lifeless last night about it | 05:03 |
| bob2 | ajmitch: oh, yeah, did you see my reply? | 05:03 |
| ajmitch | since sabdfl put in the request | 05:03 |
| bob2 | I think I palmed off blame quite smoothly ;p | 05:03 |
| ajmitch | yes, I did | 05:03 |
| ajmitch | bob2: you're meant to blame your sponsors | 05:03 |
| ajmitch | it's the easy out | 05:03 |
| ajmitch | but I can understand that, I think 0.1 was expected by end of september on the roadmap | 05:05 |
| lifeless | bob2: I did not see your reply | 05:05 |
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| \sh | why the heck vnc4 has 28MB of source and the orig file on realvnc only 517kB? | 05:06 |
| ajmitch | 03:35 < bob2> ajmitch__: lifeless LarstiQ 1.0rc1 didn't exist when I checked on friday evening | 05:07 |
| ajmitch | 03:36 < bob2> 0.0.8 didn't build due to the manpage thing, and by the time I fixed it for 0.0.9, I was under the impression 0.1 was imminent | 05:07 |
| ajmitch | 03:36 < bob2> (and I wanted something to hit testing) | 05:07 |
| \sh | ah forget it | 05:07 |
| ajmitch | :) | 05:07 |
| ajmitch | \sh: someone decided to distribute a movie as a manual? | 05:08 |
| \sh | ajmitch: bah | 05:08 |
| \sh | debian doesn't have a running vnc4 as well ;) | 05:08 |
| \sh | let's concentrate on really important stuff like xview? | 05:09 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 05:09 |
| \sh | *yawn* | 05:10 |
| lifeless | bob2: thus proving that testing is harmful | 05:11 |
| \sh | wow nice... | 05:14 |
| \sh | an easy fix | 05:15 |
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| \sh | but a shitload of handwork for changing /usr/X11R6 to our layout | 05:16 |
| \sh | this is a nono before I had my first cup of coffee.. | 05:16 |
| ajmitch | sed it? | 05:16 |
| bddebian | Heh | 05:16 |
| bddebian | Heya tritium | 05:16 |
| tritium | hi there bddebian | 05:17 |
| ajmitch | hello tritium | 05:17 |
| \sh | ajmitch: something like this, yeah...but I'll postpone it to 5:45 UTC | 05:17 |
| bob2 | lifeless: testing is something that happens to other people | 05:17 |
| ajmitch | \sh: first coffee or first beer? :) | 05:17 |
| tritium | so what's causing the odd behavior in X today? | 05:17 |
| ajmitch | tritium: what 'odd behaviour'? | 05:17 |
| \sh | that's when I'm sitting at my desk and have my first cup of coffee | 05:17 |
| lifeless | bob2: 'testing the suite' | 05:17 |
| \sh | ajmitch: come on...it's monday here and I have to work... | 05:18 |
| tritium | ajmitch: not refreshing/updating windows properly | 05:18 |
| lifeless | \sh: did you not just go to bed ? | 05:18 |
| tritium | ajmitch: nalioth mentioned that others have been asking in #ubuntu | 05:18 |
| \sh | lifeless: I woke up after 3h and37 minutes | 05:18 |
| \sh | lifeless: of sleep | 05:18 |
| tritium | I'm not the only one experiencing this problem | 05:18 |
| ajmitch | tritium: only possible thing I see is a new gtk+ upload from yesterday | 05:19 |
| ajmitch | and that was only a minor patch | 05:19 |
| tritium | don't know | 05:20 |
| Kyral | Good night MOTU Team | 05:21 |
| hub | I tried something crazy tonite: packaging gimpshop | 05:21 |
| hub | the problem is that the package does not install | 05:21 |
| bob2 | then you install the bits yourself | 05:22 |
| bddebian | GNight Kyral | 05:24 |
| lifeless | \sh: ouch | 05:30 |
| \sh | lifeless: well...yes I'm getting old...don't need much sleep anymore ;) | 05:31 |
| lifeless | \sh: I thought that was the other way around ! | 05:31 |
| lifeless | babies - no sleep | 05:31 |
| lifeless | 90 year old men - asleep in the road in thei pyjamas | 05:31 |
| \sh | nah...babies are sleeping most of the day...but not when you sleep ;) | 05:32 |
| tritium | ajmitch: which gtk+ package are you referring to? | 05:32 |
| \sh | and regarding me...well...30 years in future, I think I'll need only 1h of sleep, because the rest of the day I'm waiting for Mr. Death ;) | 05:33 |
| \sh | and now it's time for a shower | 05:37 |
| ajmitch | tritium: gtk+ | 05:37 |
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| ajmitch | hi jsgotangco | 05:37 |
| jsgotangco | hey ajmitch | 05:37 |
| tritium | ajmitch: I'd check breezy-changes if I could use my browser, but I can't. | 05:39 |
| ajmitch | heh | 05:44 |
| tritium | :( | 05:44 |
| ajmitch | are bugs filed? | 05:45 |
| ajmitch | please make sure they get filed ASAP, with a decent severity | 05:45 |
| tritium | I don't know. I'm trying to get links2 working so I can check bugzilla | 05:47 |
| ajmitch | that's why you have that winXP install still, right? ;) | 05:49 |
| tritium | true enough | 05:49 |
| jsgotangco | i've tried a preview of vmware on my windows partition and ubuntu is still snappy at 128MB | 05:50 |
| ajmitch | I don't see it in recent bugs | 05:51 |
| tritium | thanks for checking, ajmitch | 05:51 |
| jsgotangco | so youre stuck in irssi? | 05:51 |
| tritium | yeah, on linux I am. ajmitch reminded me that I still have XP, or I can use my wife's iMac | 05:52 |
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| ajmitch | and I use irssi anyway :) | 05:54 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch, you have to code php on Windows? | 05:54 |
| jsgotangco | whats wrong with that? | 05:55 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: that is correct | 05:55 |
| Lathiat | eww :) | 05:55 |
| ajmitch | the server is linux though | 05:55 |
| ajmitch | but I need IE to test on | 05:55 |
| === ajmitch shudders | ||
| bddebian | mwuhahaha | 05:56 |
| \sh | wow...that was good | 05:56 |
| ajmitch | \sh: coffee? ;) | 05:56 |
| \sh | shower | 05:56 |
| === tritium missed the Santana concert due to rain | ||
| \sh | now I'm not feeling like an old fart of 65 anymore, no, now I'm feeling like an old fart of 60 ,-) | 05:57 |
| bddebian | Heh | 05:57 |
| === ajmitch would probably feel better if he were hit by a bus | ||
| bddebian | Watch the "old man" comments ;-P | 05:57 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: get over it | 05:58 |
| \sh | bddebian: I think we're the same age range, right? ,-) | 05:58 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: you're probably not the oldest one here | 05:58 |
| \sh | Well....God, God Son and the Holy Ghost | 05:59 |
| \sh | Bddebian, \sh and Ogra ;) | 05:59 |
| bddebian | \sh: 35 | 05:59 |
| \sh | bddebian: yeah...same age...34 here and ogra is 35 ;) | 05:59 |
| === jsgotangco pays his respects | ||
| ajmitch | sometimes ogra looks 45, if he hasn't had much sleep ;) | 06:00 |
| === jsgotangco hides | ||
| ajmitch | hopefully he'll be less corpse-like at UBZ | 06:00 |
| jsgotangco | yeah ogra has been loaded lately | 06:00 |
| jsgotangco | the x-s-s thing made it worse | 06:00 |
| ajmitch | loaded? he's been doing a huge amount of work | 06:00 |
| \sh | he looked really bad, well I'll see him next weekend... | 06:01 |
| jsgotangco | hope he's not burning out | 06:01 |
| ajmitch | we'll have to pour a few beers into him to revive him :) | 06:01 |
| ajmitch | a shame that bddebian isn't going to be at UBZ | 06:02 |
| \sh | jsgotangco: well...we all are a bit burned out, but actually, volunteers have the possibility to retreat for some days/weeks/months | 06:02 |
| ajmitch | otherwise we could do a beer for each package uploaded or bug squashed ;) | 06:02 |
| ajmitch | \sh: we can? | 06:02 |
| jsgotangco | \sh, we currently have a choice to fade away, ogra doesn't have that luxury atm | 06:03 |
| \sh | jsgotangco: yeah... | 06:03 |
| \sh | ajmitch: why not? | 06:03 |
| ajmitch | \sh: got to prepare for UBZ | 06:03 |
| \sh | ajmitch: yesterday I made a little statistic about my upload behaviour | 06:03 |
| \sh | and august was the poorest | 06:04 |
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| ajmitch | what, only 100 packages in august? | 06:04 |
| \sh | ajmitch: and that was my burned out phase | 06:04 |
| LaserJock | if only there was a UITD (Ubuntu In The Desert) i could come :-) | 06:04 |
| \sh | ajmitch: come on..be serious | 06:04 |
| tritium | LaserJock: me too! Where are you? | 06:04 |
| LaserJock | Reno, Nevada | 06:04 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Why so you could laugh at me? :-) | 06:04 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock, say like in Egypt? | 06:04 |
| tritium | LaserJock: Albuquerque, NM here | 06:05 |
| bddebian | We need UDLV | 06:05 |
| ajmitch | \sh: sorry, it was 30 packages in august | 06:05 |
| seth_k | Sadly UBZ is probably the closest it will ever get to me | 06:05 |
| LaserJock | UDLV would be good | 06:05 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: ;-) | 06:05 |
| Burgundavia | AFAIK, there will be no Ubuntu dev conferences in the Untied States | 06:05 |
| ajmitch | \sh: which is a *LOT* more than I upload | 06:05 |
| tritium | Why is that, Burgundavia? | 06:05 |
| jsgotangco | i remember sabdfl metioning something like that... | 06:05 |
| Burgundavia | tritium, sabdfl got grey-listed by the INS | 06:06 |
| hub | Burgundavia: why in the US? | 06:06 |
| bob2 | haha | 06:06 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: haha | 06:06 |
| hub | Burgundavia: immigration is a PITA there | 06:06 |
| tritium | Burgundavia: oh, really? For going to space on a Russian ship? | 06:06 |
| lifeless | hub: I think you mean, why NOT in the US | 06:06 |
| hub | lifeless: nope | 06:06 |
| Burgundavia | he can come in, he just goes through hell everytime | 06:06 |
| hub | lifeless: I can't enter the US | 06:06 |
| bob2 | Burgundavia: also because various ubuntu people refuse to go to the US | 06:06 |
| ajmitch | hub: why not? | 06:06 |
| bob2 | tho the jet story is funny by itself | 06:06 |
| Burgundavia | hub, something about flying in without giving proper notice | 06:07 |
| tritium | bob2: really? | 06:07 |
| hub | ajmitch: passport issues | 06:07 |
| lifeless | no, for refueling perfectly legally, and customs got knickers in a twist about some flight plan irregularity | 06:07 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 06:07 |
| hub | Burgundavia: I live 60km from the US border | 06:07 |
| ajmitch | lifeless: that's a bit of a worry, but the US is like that.. | 06:07 |
| lifeless | ajmitch: indeed. | 06:07 |
| bob2 | lifeless: you need visas to transit through the US | 06:07 |
| Burgundavia | hub, I live about 20km from it | 06:07 |
| jsgotangco | yes you need visas | 06:07 |
| hub | Burgundavia: other coast, yes | 06:07 |
| lifeless | ajmitch: which is why I will not ever be setting foot on US soil | 06:07 |
| ajmitch | I'll be going through the US to get to UBZ | 06:07 |
| jsgotangco | it would be nice if the next conference would be near a beach | 06:07 |
| lifeless | ajmitch: I'm flying somewhat longer to achieve that for montreal | 06:07 |
| lifeless | ajmitch: poor bastard | 06:08 |
| ajmitch | I couldn't afford to fly via europe or japan, I think | 06:08 |
| lifeless | ajmitch: hope you have your fingerprint-gloves | 06:08 |
| ajmitch | so I've got to get my passport updated | 06:08 |
| Burgundavia | the big thing about flying near the US is that if you pass over US airspace, they can still stop the plane | 06:08 |
| ajmitch | since my one I had in sydney is *slightly* waterdamaged | 06:08 |
| lifeless | ajmitch: all it needs is hong kong, and you're fine | 06:08 |
| Burgundavia | s/they/the US | 06:08 |
| hub | Burgundavia: and if you have a connection in the US you must do immigration | 06:08 |
| Burgundavia | hub, ya | 06:09 |
| hub | fortunately Montreal -> France is easy | 06:09 |
| lifeless | yah. | 06:09 |
| tritium | bob2: so why do certain ubuntu people refuse to come here? | 06:09 |
| Burgundavia | but there is a case of an Air France jet from Mexico to Europe being turned back because of the US no-fly list | 06:09 |
| lifeless | apparently a __lot__ of people are saying 'no us airspace, KTHNXBYE' | 06:09 |
| lifeless | my travel agent was telling me about it | 06:09 |
| bob2 | tritium: they don't want to be potentially prosecuted under the DMCA or harrassed by the FBI or whatever | 06:09 |
| tritium | oh, I see | 06:10 |
| bob2 | skylarov was in jail for *months* | 06:10 |
| jsgotangco | FOSS work makes you a potential criminal? | 06:10 |
| lifeless | tritium: uhm, because US have an anal-retentive immigration policy that violates just about every civil right in existence, AND a fucked legal system that makes software patents legal (I'd be able to be imprisoned if I landed in the US, and I'm small fish compared to some of the guys) | 06:10 |
| hub | jsgotangco: according to US lobbies.yes | 06:10 |
| lifeless | tritium: I mean, I do *nothing* illegal here, but in the US I'm apparently a terrorist or something. | 06:11 |
| LaserJock | a friend of mine at school happens to share the same name as a IRA terrorist on the no-fly list. He found out coming back from a month in Germany :-o | 06:11 |
| ajmitch | yeah, so hopefully I don't have too much 'fun' going through the US :P | 06:11 |
| hub | ajmitch: can't fly thru canada? | 06:11 |
| lifeless | LaserJock: a friend of mine was in the US, and he has 'ssss' on his boarding cards for the same reason. | 06:11 |
| hub | packaging question | 06:11 |
| tritium | lifeless: I'm not really sure what you're referring to | 06:11 |
| lifeless | LaserJock: gets searched at *every* checkpoint. | 06:11 |
| ajmitch | hub: flying to canada, I mean | 06:11 |
| ajmitch | lifeless: US immigration is worse than australian? | 06:12 |
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| lifeless | ajmitch: via hong kong is quite cheap. | 06:12 |
| LaserJock | I get checked a lot | 06:12 |
| hub | I have libgimpshop2.0 that provides libgimp2.0, but pacakge depending on libgimp2.0 do not recognize it | 06:12 |
| ajmitch | lifeless: already got my tickets via US | 06:12 |
| tritium | lifeless: what's the immigration issue you're referring to? | 06:12 |
| lifeless | ajmitch: for random visitors, yes. | 06:12 |
| === jsgotangco didnt have problems with australian immigration | ||
| LaserJock | maybe I look like a terrorist, lol | 06:12 |
| hub | how to solve that? | 06:12 |
| hub | Package: libgimpshop2.0 | 06:12 |
| lifeless | tritium: fingerprinting everyone? A pretty broken facial recognition system? | 06:13 |
| tritium | my wife immigrated here from the Philippines with no problems | 06:13 |
| hub | Replaces: libgimp2.0, libgimp1.3, gimp1.3-data, gimp-data (<< 2.0.0-6) | 06:13 |
| hub | Provides: libgimp2.0 | 06:13 |
| === ajmitch has only been to australia so far, so no hassles there | ||
| lifeless | tritium: bah, you are an apologist, do not have time for this right now | 06:13 |
| hub | tritium: Philipines have some special relationship with the US at one point | 06:13 |
| === hub has never been to .au or .nz | ||
| tritium | lifeless: I'm just trying to understand what you're referring to | 06:13 |
| \sh | fingerprints? we're using this in our company ;) | 06:13 |
| jsgotangco | tritium, because our country is an unofficial state heh | 06:13 |
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| === hub has been fingerprinted already | ||
| === tritium doesn't appreciate the label for asking questions | ||
| Burgundavia | Canucks also get a pretty free ride | 06:14 |
| hub | so now that half of the terrorist have my fingerprints from the US database, better not go there | 06:14 |
| \sh | the last time I was in the US was 2001 just a couple of months before the attack | 06:14 |
| lifeless | tritium: sorry, but AIUI the US policies are well known, so what I'm referring to should be obvious | 06:14 |
| hub | \sh: 10 days befor I was there | 06:14 |
| lifeless | tritium: if not, just google a little. | 06:14 |
| \sh | and at the immigrations, there was this big black officer...and was questioning me in german | 06:15 |
| \sh | I was SOOO shocked... | 06:15 |
| \sh | u r flying 10 hours and then this...an ex-gi sitting there...and is talking to you in your own language | 06:15 |
| lifeless | tritium: I am putting the onus on you, because of oh, 20 odd americans I've had the same discussion with, 19 of them got what I was referring to immediately. | 06:15 |
| bmonty | \sh: sounds fairly effective to me.... | 06:16 |
| === ajmitch is still doubtful if he can visit the US when he's flying in & out of canada :) | ||
| bmonty | if you were a bad guy...you would have to be on your toes | 06:16 |
| tritium | lifeless: sorry for being the 1 that wasn't familiar with it | 06:17 |
| \sh | bmonty: well...the problem was, I was there to work...but for visa reasons I had to say: No I'm visiting only a company for a conference ;) | 06:17 |
| bddebian | tritium: I don't know what he's talking about either so that makes two :-) | 06:17 |
| LaserJock | tritium: don't feel bad, me too | 06:17 |
| lifeless | huh. | 06:17 |
| lifeless | ok., let me dig a little | 06:17 |
| jsgotangco | lunch brb | 06:17 |
| bmonty | \sh: hence the reason why they have that tactic :P | 06:17 |
| === hub should come back another time | ||
| tritium | bddebian, LaserJock: nice to be in the same boat :) | 06:18 |
| \sh | bmonty: well...now I know, germans are everywhere, even when they're not looking like germans ,-) | 06:18 |
| lifeless | http://old.linux.org.au/fta/testimony/ thats the FOSS -> jail angle. | 06:18 |
| tritium | heh, I'll have to check the IRC logs when I get X working again so i can check that URL | 06:19 |
| lifeless | which is making me seriously consider leaving .au | 06:19 |
| bmonty | \sh: if it makes you feel better, my only experience in Germany was eating really crappy food in the Frankfurt airport | 06:19 |
| bddebian | tritium: A lot ofit is just stories | 06:19 |
| lifeless | but AFAIK noone in the system here gives a shit about it and is ignoring it | 06:19 |
| tritium | bddebian: and misunderstandings, media spin | 06:20 |
| bddebian | aye | 06:20 |
| \sh | bmonty: oh sad....because there are really nice places even in frankfurt...some nice italian restaurants, good turkish take-aways, indian restaurants and greek take-aways ;) | 06:20 |
| bmonty | How up to date is the info on the FTBFS page? | 06:20 |
| \sh | bmonty: I have to strike out my packages.... | 06:21 |
| ajmitch | lifeless: where would you go? nz? | 06:21 |
| lifeless | ajmitch: yah, I am .nz citizen | 06:21 |
| lifeless | and nz is still sane | 06:21 |
| ajmitch | yeah I figured :) | 06:21 |
| bmonty | \sh: not your packages...a few of the test build logs are an older version that what is in the archive | 06:21 |
| ajmitch | since you said you were from dunedin, so there was a reasonable chance you were a citizen | 06:21 |
| \sh | bmonty: if you're ready to have a really shit ass package ;) try vnc4 ,-) | 06:22 |
| lifeless | http://www.foreignborn.com/visas_imm/entering_us/8inspectionprocess.htm <- note the 'you may be placed into detention'. EVEN IF YOU HAVE A VISA. | 06:23 |
| \sh | bmonty: and don't ask me why our/debian package has 28MB of source file, when orig upstream sources are 517K and the java package is 780K | 06:23 |
| hub | canada immigration is much cooler | 06:23 |
| bmonty | \sh: yeah I just noticed the source package is huge | 06:24 |
| bmonty | hub: yeah...they don't even care if you are so drunk that you can't spell your name :) | 06:24 |
| \sh | ok guys...I'm going to work cu in 1 hour :) | 06:25 |
| bddebian | Later \sh | 06:25 |
| lifeless | http://www.cbp.gov/xp/CustomsToday/2004/oct_nov/new_anti_terror.xml <- documentation on the fingerprinting process | 06:27 |
| lifeless | I find it repulsive that you would be fingerprinted by C just for travelling from A->B if the plane needs to refuel in C. | 06:28 |
| lifeless | utterly reprehensible. | 06:28 |
| lifeless | ok, back to work | 06:28 |
| ajmitch | alright, time for me to head home, bbiab | 06:29 |
| LaserJock | is there a way to automate UniverseFTBFS and UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile? | 06:29 |
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| lifeless | last link, honest.. http://www.cbp.gov/xp/CustomsToday/2003/December/u.s_visit.xml | 06:33 |
| tritium | lifeless: I can't read those right now, so I don't know what they say. I'm sorry for whatever it is that bothers you. | 06:36 |
| lifeless | tritium: why are you sorry? you are not personally reponsible... though the us claims to be a democracy :0 | 06:37 |
| bddebian | Yeah tritium, all the other countries of the world are free but us, didn't you know that? ;-P | 06:38 |
| lifeless | interesting strawman | 06:38 |
| bmonty | why do I get the feeling that \sh screwed me over when he asked me to look at vnc4? | 06:42 |
| ajmitch | bmonty: because he did | 06:42 |
| bob2 | I wonder if it's a crime to leave the US with gpg on your laptop | 06:42 |
| LaserJock | bmonty: I pays to check irc logs sometimes ;-) | 06:42 |
| tritium | lifeless: don't know what to say, other than that I feel bad. I can't find words right now. | 06:43 |
| bddebian | bmonty: :-) | 06:43 |
| bmonty | it wouldn't be so bad if I didn't have to fill out a web form to get the latest upstream source | 06:43 |
| ajmitch | bob2: so should I setup crypted volumes for my trip to UBZ? :) | 06:43 |
| ajmitch | bob2: btw, will you be going to UBZ? | 06:44 |
| bob2 | ajmitch: hah, only if it's 40-bit encryption! | 06:44 |
| bob2 | ajmitch: no, sadly | 06:44 |
| bob2 | flying to canada turns out to cost more than the $10 I'd budgeted | 06:44 |
| ajmitch | unfortunate | 06:45 |
| ajmitch | you'll make it to LCA, i guess? :) | 06:45 |
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| bob2 | otoh, LCA is more fun than Ubuntu | 06:45 |
| bob2 | hope so :) | 06:45 |
| ajmitch | still fairly cheap to fly to NZ for you | 06:46 |
| ajmitch | although you'd probably need to fly from sydney :) | 06:46 |
| bob2 | heh | 06:46 |
| bob2 | who was it who flew to dunedin? | 06:48 |
| ajmitch | hm? | 06:48 |
| ajmitch | freedom air does | 06:48 |
| ajmitch | but they're stopping dunedin flights in march iirc | 06:48 |
| ajmitch | the others like pacific blue, jetstar, etc go to christchurch | 06:49 |
| bmonty | anyone know how to get source code for vnc from realvnc? | 06:49 |
| bob2 | wow, $100 for dunedin -> sydney | 06:50 |
| LaserJock | do any of you guys know how to get around a blocked IRC port? | 06:51 |
| bob2 | ssh tunnel, httptunnel, socks, ssh + screen, etc | 06:51 |
| ajmitch | ip over dns | 06:52 |
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| bob2 | haha | 06:52 |
| bob2 | eeeeeeeeeevil | 06:52 |
| bob2 | (but cool) | 06:52 |
| ajmitch | I think we've got a daemon for that in breezy, too | 06:52 |
| ajmitch | Maintainer: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org> | 06:53 |
| ajmitch | yeah, we do ;) | 06:53 |
| bmonty | have any of you guys played around with LDAP and Kerberos to do a single sign-on? | 06:53 |
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| hub | ajmitch: ip over dns is fun | 06:57 |
| LaserJock | so my IRC port is blocked at school. what would you suggest? | 07:00 |
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| lifeless | dont IRC from school ? | 07:00 |
| LaserJock | well, that's the problem. My linux comps are at school (which is where I am a lot of the day) and I have only windows comps at home | 07:01 |
| bob2 | irc from school is a recipe for disaster | 07:02 |
| lifeless | LaserJock: I suggest you install linux at home | 07:02 |
| LaserJock | fine, I guess. I do more work at school. Home time is for working on the yard, garage, etc.. | 07:03 |
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| LaserJock | I was just wondering if some of you faced the same problem | 07:05 |
| ajmitch | nope | 07:05 |
| lifeless | LaserJock: is the school policy 'no irc', or is it 'you can but the port *happens* to be blocked' | 07:05 |
| lifeless | if its the former, consider your actions seriously | 07:05 |
| lifeless | if its the latter, workaround any way you want, and agitate for them to unblock it | 07:05 |
| hub | or just don't do from school | 07:06 |
| LaserJock | lifeless: yeah, that's not going to happen. The IT department hates linux so... | 07:06 |
| hub | LaserJock: what is the relation between hating Linux and not opening IRC? | 07:06 |
| hub | I don't see | 07:07 |
| lifeless | LaserJock: nothing to do with linux | 07:07 |
| bmonty | ./configure | 07:07 |
| bmonty | oops | 07:07 |
| LaserJock | they will be like "Why do you want to do that?" and I will be cause I want to use IRC for support and help Ubuntu | 07:07 |
| LaserJock | and they will say "Ohhh, we can't have that" | 07:08 |
| hub | LaserJock: tell that it is to help develop a program for Windows :-) | 07:08 |
| bmonty | LaserJock: you say that there are some great opportunities to interact and further my education, blah, blah, blah | 07:08 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: just say it's a necessary part of your studies | 07:08 |
| ajmitch | you're a grad student? | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: yep | 07:08 |
| bob2 | wow | 07:09 |
| bmonty | ls | 07:09 |
| ajmitch | you ought to be experienced at bending the truth then ;) | 07:09 |
| bob2 | even in bandwidth poor .au you get unrestricted net access as a grad student | 07:09 |
| hub | bob2: each is own IT policy | 07:09 |
| ajmitch | bob2: not in somewhere backwards like NZ | 07:09 |
| LaserJock | Well, we get hacked a lot and all of the freshmen in the dorms cause enough problems that they just turn off a lot of the ports | 07:09 |
| ajmitch | I think that net access would be unrestricted at uni here for outbound, but you pay for the data used | 07:10 |
| bob2 | eep | 07:10 |
| bob2 | ANU just sends stern letters if you get noticed on the daily traffic reports | 07:10 |
| ajmitch | ITS just sends out bills | 07:11 |
| bob2 | hah | 07:11 |
| bob2 | not often we get to feel bandwidth-rich ;p | 07:11 |
| ajmitch | compared to NZ you're beyond rich :) | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | well, when the virus waves come rolling through, the IT department starts getting anal ;-) | 07:11 |
| ajmitch | so I don't know how they're going to work it at LCA.. | 07:11 |
| hub | LaserJock: "hacked" please use that word properly | 07:11 |
| bmonty | \sh: you working on packaging vnc 4.1? | 07:12 |
| hub | LaserJock: hacking does not imply illegal activities | 07:12 |
| LaserJock | not all of the hacking we have is illegal activity, but most of it is | 07:12 |
| hub | LaserJock: stop using hack to designate illegal activites | 07:12 |
| LaserJock | hub: I didn't | 07:13 |
| hub | you did | 07:13 |
| LaserJock | I said that we get hacked, I didn't say it was necessarily illegal | 07:13 |
| hub | "we get hacked a lot" <- implies the improper use of the word hacking | 07:13 |
| bob2 | come on guys... | 07:14 |
| LaserJock | well, sorry then. I guess is was using the term to flipantly | 07:14 |
| LaserJock | *too | 07:14 |
| LaserJock | what would be a better term? | 07:15 |
| lifeless | cracked | 07:15 |
| LaserJock | well, cracked implies illegal entery right? | 07:16 |
| bmonty | CRACKED is what happens when the HACKERS get to your website :) | 07:17 |
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| LaserJock | so, is there every a proper usage of "getting hacked"? | 07:18 |
| LaserJock | or, is hacking a general term for computer nerd stuff, just kidding | 07:18 |
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| bob2 | depends if you're trying to be a zdnet reader or a FS hacker | 07:19 |
| bob2 | in the latter world, no | 07:19 |
| \sh | bmonty: no... | 07:19 |
| lifeless | http://www.jargon.net/jargonfile/t/TheMeaningofHack.html | 07:19 |
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| bmonty | \sh: oh well...I'm not going to either :) | 07:20 |
| \sh | bmonty: *g* as I said a shit ass package ;) | 07:20 |
| bmonty | seriously though....can we break UVF for that? | 07:20 |
| \sh | bmonty: if it fixes the package, sure | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | lifless: thanks, I live in the chemistry world mostly, not the computer sci. world. Sometimes I don't have the jargon right | 07:21 |
| \sh | bmonty: but even debian doesn't have a 4.1 package available...well...i didn't check for testing or experimental | 07:21 |
| bmonty | \sh: they don't have 4.1 at all | 07:21 |
| bmonty | I could package 4.1, but I have no way to test it. I'm not a vnc user. | 07:21 |
| \sh | bmonty: but a non working 4.0 ;) so we're fine | 07:21 |
| \sh | bmonty: I don't even know, why this stupid package has 28MB of orig.tar.gz | 07:22 |
| bmonty | \sh: yeah...the debian maintainer says he hasn't had time to package 4.1 yet | 07:22 |
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| bmonty | good night everyone | 07:26 |
| LaserJock | cya bmonty | 07:26 |
| bddebian | Gnight bmonty | 07:26 |
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| bddebian | Holy shit, we are back up over 500 bugs again.. :-( ajmitch: How did you let that happen? ;-P | 07:30 |
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| hub | package question | 07:32 |
| ajmitch | by not closing any | 07:33 |
| hub | isn't "Provides" suppose to say that package X provide Y for package that needs Y? | 07:33 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Well get to work homey ;-) | 07:33 |
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| bddebian | Gnight folks | 07:43 |
| \sh | bddebian: g'night god ;) | 07:43 |
| bddebian | pshaw :-) | 07:43 |
| bddebian | Gnight \sh | 07:44 |
| \sh | bah...emacs21 looks ugly somehow | 07:44 |
| LaserJock | cya bddebian | 07:44 |
| bddebian | emacs looks ugly period | 07:44 |
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| \sh | wow | 07:44 |
| \sh | 41k deaths in pakistan? earthquake? | 07:44 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 07:45 |
| \sh | holy shit | 07:45 |
| jsgotangco | the population there is huge really | 07:45 |
| LaserJock | 41k dang, it was < 1k this morning | 07:45 |
| jsgotangco | south asia is quite unlucky thisyear | 07:45 |
| jsgotangco | first the tsunami | 07:45 |
| \sh | I don't have a tv, nor a radio, neither I'm reading online news...Just saw this in our morning tv shows now in the office | 07:45 |
| jsgotangco | its been a while since i experienced an earthquake that killed a lot of people | 07:47 |
| jsgotangco | (not that i hope to experience it again) | 07:47 |
| \sh | sry...I'm just shocked | 07:47 |
| jsgotangco | \sh, i've been to india and pakistan a few years ago, the place is just dense...so i guess when an earthquake happens it kills a lot | 07:48 |
| ajmitch | I'm hoping we don't have a big quake here in NZ anytime soon | 07:48 |
| ajmitch | especially one centered around wellington | 07:49 |
| jsgotangco | NZ is almost empty compared to the southern part of the continent | 07:49 |
| jsgotangco | the population of the whole NZ area is probably comparable to 2 cities in India | 07:49 |
| ajmitch | yes | 07:49 |
| ajmitch | but it's one big fault line | 07:49 |
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| lifeless | only in the mountains | 07:50 |
| ajmitch | and wellington | 07:50 |
| lifeless | you know, the big ones pushed up by it | 07:50 |
| jsgotangco | wellington? | 07:50 |
| lifeless | jsgotangco: its a cit.y. | 07:50 |
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| jsgotangco | it moves like 2cm a year | 07:50 |
| \sh | oh well...I know why I'm not watching news... | 07:52 |
| \sh | every day bad news | 07:52 |
| \sh | chick flue in europe | 07:52 |
| \sh | chicken flu even | 07:53 |
| \sh | whatever | 07:53 |
| jsgotangco | bird flu and mad cow | 07:53 |
| jsgotangco | bird flu is pretty scary | 07:53 |
| jsgotangco | the migratory birds are involved | 07:53 |
| LaserJock | well, I got to go. cya all | 07:54 |
| \sh | a scientiest mentioned now, that there is question, that the bird flu is mixing up with the normal flu virus, the question is when...he thinks 3 to 5 years | 07:54 |
| \sh | there is no question ;) | 07:54 |
| jsgotangco | because the organisms mutate to survive | 07:55 |
| jsgotangco | others would say the earth is cleansing itself | 07:56 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 07:56 |
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| jsgotangco | that we are living in a planet that doesn't seem to want us at all | 07:56 |
| \sh | jsgotangco: no....it's evolution, neo, evolution | 07:58 |
| \sh | jsgotangco: only the strongest of us will survive and will be a better human race..:( | 07:58 |
| \sh | and I hope working on FOSS will make me strong ,-) | 07:59 |
| \sh | it's so depressing :( | 07:59 |
| hub | is gcj complete in Breezy? | 08:03 |
| \sh | should be... | 08:04 |
| \sh | gcj == gnu java compiler? | 08:04 |
| hub | yeap | 08:07 |
| hub | now this time it accept to install it | 08:07 |
| hub | weird | 08:07 |
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| ajmitch | hm | 08:36 |
| ajmitch | sound-juicer just isn't wanting to start, blocking on a connect() call to the fam socket.. | 08:36 |
| ajmitch | not healthy | 08:36 |
| ajmitch | probably due to the dist-upgrade | 08:37 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 08:38 |
| ajmitch | morning dholbach! | 08:39 |
| dholbach | morning andrew | 08:39 |
| hub | hey dholbach | 08:43 |
| dholbach | hey hub, just answered your mail :) | 08:43 |
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| hub | dholbach: I have sort of a package working for gimpshop | 08:45 |
| hub | time to go to bed | 08:45 |
| hub | talk to you later | 08:45 |
| dholbach | night hub :) | 08:45 |
| ajmitch | ah, \sh.. | 09:01 |
| ajmitch | Unpacking libofx2 (from .../libofx2_1%3a0.8.0-3ubuntu6_i386.deb) ... | 09:01 |
| ajmitch | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libofx2_1%3a0.8.0-3ubuntu6_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/libofx/dtd/opensp.dcl', which is also in package libofx1c2 | 09:01 |
| ajmitch | no surprise there :P | 09:01 |
| \sh | ajmitch: bah | 09:07 |
| \sh | Package: libofx-dev | 09:07 |
| \sh | Replaces: libofx1, libofx1c2, libofx2 (<< 0.8.0-3ubuntu4) | 09:07 |
| ajmitch | that's great | 09:07 |
| ajmitch | but the Replaces: needs to be on libofx2 as well | 09:08 |
| \sh | fck | 09:08 |
| Treenaks | \o/ settings.sh (gconftool-2 script with most of my Gnome settings) | 09:08 |
| Treenaks | Now even SuSE is usable | 09:08 |
| \sh | ajmitch: << 0.8.0-3ubuntu6 is correct *gnarf* now I have to upload one with 0.8.0-3ubuntu7 :( | 09:08 |
| ajmitch | heh :) | 09:09 |
| ajmitch | I think I need to logout or something | 09:09 |
| ajmitch | panel just crashed & everything is going buts | 09:09 |
| ajmitch | s/buts/nuts/ | 09:09 |
| \sh | uploaded | 09:09 |
| ajmitch | thanks | 09:10 |
| sivang | morning all | 09:19 |
| sivang | morning MOTUs | 09:22 |
| dholbach | morning sivan | 09:22 |
| \sh | hey dholbach | 09:23 |
| dholbach | hey stephan | 09:24 |
| === \sh needs a new job | ||
| \sh | all the good guys are leaving my team | 09:24 |
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| sivang | \sh: join the club :-) | 09:36 |
| sivang | hack, who were those good guys on my team ? ;-) | 09:37 |
| \sh | sivang: well...for our company that's quite clear that some people are leaving... | 09:37 |
| \sh | but it's really sad, cause we are a good team, have a lot of fun, and doing our work perfectly...:( | 09:38 |
| sivang | \sh: more people out of the team that ogra was ? | 09:38 |
| sivang | (and you are ) | 09:38 |
| \sh | sivang: same company different team yes | 09:38 |
| sivang | \sh: I see | 09:38 |
| \sh | sivang: ogra was engineering, I'm operations | 09:38 |
| sivang | ogra: I see, well, I hope new ones will come that will be just as good as the previous were | 09:40 |
| \sh | sivang: actually, you can't replace a guy, which was working 4 years now for this team...the loss of knowledge is really a huge impact | 09:42 |
| sivang | \sh: k, I've seen this. anyway, I'm out see you all later | 09:43 |
| \sh | cu sivang hf :) | 09:43 |
| sivang | hf ? | 09:44 |
| sivang | :) | 09:44 |
| \sh | have fun ;)I | 09:45 |
| \sh | trying to fix kwin-baghira btw | 09:46 |
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| dholbach | i'd like to make a note regarding desktop files: if you add new ones, could you please file your patch as a bug in the upstream bug tracker (or mail the maintainers) that'd be really nice and would reduce the merging efforts each and everytime | 10:25 |
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| sivang | ah it's good to be back | 10:43 |
| ajmitch | wb sivang ;) | 10:45 |
| ajmitch | \sh: what was wrong with kwin-baghira? | 10:45 |
| ajmitch | it was showing up just fine for me :P | 10:46 |
| === ajmitch didn't get any linker errors on the console.. | ||
| \sh | https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1399 | 10:47 |
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| ajmitch | \sh: yes, I saw that | 10:47 |
| ajmitch | ok, I think I see now.. | 10:48 |
| \sh | ajmitch: do u have this baghira-style stuff? in kde/styles? | 10:48 |
| ajmitch | let me start kcontrol.. | 10:49 |
| ajmitch | it takes awhile :P | 10:49 |
| ajmitch | no, I see the issue now | 10:49 |
| ajmitch | I should never be allowed to use malone after 9pm :P | 10:50 |
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| \sh | I'll test 0.7 package now | 10:50 |
| \sh | works | 10:51 |
| ajmitch | does a recompile of the current package work? | 10:51 |
| \sh | no | 10:51 |
| \sh | i think 0.6 is to old for 3.4 | 10:51 |
| ajmitch | yay for broken kde stuff ;) | 10:52 |
| \sh | ajmitch: I'll request a sync by elmo | 10:52 |
| \sh | it will be not the last today.... | 10:52 |
| ajmitch | heh | 10:53 |
| ajmitch | I've probably got a few to sync as well | 10:53 |
| Tonio- | hi everyone, having a little question.... | 10:53 |
| Tonio- | wy insn't ubuntu able to configure dma automatcally during the installation ? | 10:53 |
| ajmitch | it does | 10:54 |
| ajmitch | just not for all hardware | 10:54 |
| Treenaks | not for _any_ CD or DVD drives | 10:54 |
| Treenaks | afaik | 10:54 |
| JakubS_ | hello | 10:54 |
| Tonio- | well I installed it on about 5 computers and it never worked.... | 10:54 |
| Treenaks | Tonio-: on disks it should work | 10:54 |
| ajmitch | Treenaks: depends if ide-generic is loaded before the chipset driver | 10:54 |
| JakubS_ | is it possible to generate one more package from kdenetwork .orig.tar.gz? i would like to package kio_zeroconf that is disabled from compilation by default | 10:54 |
| Tonio- | yep I was talking about cd/dvd, sorry ^^ | 10:54 |
| Treenaks | ajmitch: yes, but on 5 different machines it's bound to work correctly on at least one... | 10:55 |
| ajmitch | JakubS_: only if you talk really nicely to \sh & riddell, since it's in main | 10:55 |
| ajmitch | Treenaks: not for cd/dvd ;) | 10:55 |
| JakubS_ | ajmitch: this was already discussed and rejected | 10:55 |
| \sh | JakubS_: please join #kubuntu-devel ... I think we don't have zeroconf support right now | 10:56 |
| ajmitch | JakubS_: ok, so why are you asking us? | 10:56 |
| ajmitch | \sh: JakubS_ has been working on it with avahi | 10:56 |
| JakubS_ | ajmitch: because i want to use existing kdenetwork.orig.tar.gz and create new package for universe using it | 10:56 |
| ajmitch | ugh | 10:56 |
| JakubS_ | i don't want to put anything new in main | 10:56 |
| JakubS_ | \sh: package is generally done, slomo and Lathiat were testing it | 10:57 |
| JakubS_ | (for kdnssd-avahi that is, not kio_zeroconf) | 10:57 |
| \sh | JakubS_: what's possible (not for breezy) that you can generate a kio_zeroconf package and let this hit the universe out of the main source of kdenetwork...but this is really too close to release...so no go actually | 10:58 |
| JakubS_ | i see, too bad | 10:59 |
| \sh | JakubS_: I mean, I think riddell will do this, but mdz or kamion will reject the wish | 10:59 |
| JakubS_ | i thought that feature freeze is only for main and universe can be modified anytime | 10:59 |
| \sh | JakubS_: but the source is in main :) | 11:00 |
| \sh | JakubS_: and it is a change on something which is in main...even if the package lands in universe | 11:00 |
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| \sh | JakubS_: the binary package | 11:00 |
| JakubS_ | for 1) true 2) not exactly, it only adds new kio slave without changing anything existing | 11:01 |
| JakubS_ | just like for example kio_locate | 11:01 |
| \sh | JakubS_: which is 1) a new feature 2) it changes debian/control in a main package and 3) it has to be tested if it works... so it's a more intrusive change, than a small one like a typo in a manpage...actually, it can't be sooo important, that it can't wait after the 13th | 11:03 |
| \sh | add 2) not only debian/control ;) it has to change as well elmos overrides etc. | 11:03 |
| JakubS_ | hoary done well without zeroconf so i guess breezy also can do :-) | 11:04 |
| \sh | JakubS_: please don't understand me wrong..if it would be earlier in the release cycle, i think those things are possible (we did it with amarok) but right now less then 3 days to release... I don't think that kde will invent something new just before a release ;) | 11:05 |
| JakubS_ | i understand, i was prevented from implementing few things by kde feature freeze too | 11:06 |
| \sh | JakubS_: and there is a possibilty that dapper packages with all new features are backported to breezy :) | 11:06 |
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| ajmitch | evening talios | 11:15 |
| ajmitch | what's the bug number? | 11:15 |
| talios | 'lo ajmitch | 11:15 |
| talios | 2930 | 11:15 |
| ajmitch | you're not likely to see bddebian at this hour | 11:15 |
| ajmitch | been awhile since I've seen you round :) | 11:15 |
| talios | I've been here - just lurking on other channels alot. | 11:16 |
| talios | finally got rid of all my fedora boxes :) | 11:16 |
| talios | well, ish. my server box at the office is centos. | 11:16 |
| ajmitch | fun | 11:16 |
| ajmitch | I wonder where we got squeak-vm from? | 11:18 |
| ajmitch | hm, it's multiverse | 11:19 |
| talios | ajmitch, did you ever see the NZHerald article on Ubuntu? I read off the shit on NZLUG about it from MrYoper - but never saw the actual article | 11:19 |
| ajmitch | no, I never saw the article | 11:19 |
| ajmitch | I did see the heat on nzlug about it ;) | 11:20 |
| ajmitch | right, squeak-vm is grabbed from linex | 11:21 |
| ajmitch | " This package contains just the Squeak virtual machine. If you are | 11:21 |
| ajmitch | new to Squeak then you will have to install the squeak-image and | 11:21 |
| ajmitch | squeak-sources packages too before you can run Squeak. | 11:21 |
| ajmitch | " | 11:21 |
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| talios | ahh squeak-image package? | 11:22 |
| ajmitch | not in ubuntu | 11:22 |
| talios | didn't think I'd seen any 3rd package | 11:22 |
| talios | theres the -vm and -sources | 11:22 |
| ajmitch | not sure where to grab squeak-images from | 11:23 |
| talios | I have an image I grabbed from the squeak.org distro, but thats not really solving any package based problem - only my immediate. | 11:24 |
| ajmitch | ok | 11:24 |
| ajmitch | so what are you mainly missing? | 11:26 |
| talios | basically the ability to create a clean, fresh image file. given that I can download it from the squeak website its not sooo much of an issue, but theres a manpage existing for inisqueak that says "ill create your clean image", but no script. | 11:27 |
| talios | so anyone whoses wanting to apt-get a squeak system can't just jump in and play | 11:28 |
| ajmitch | ok, I see an inisqueak.in | 11:28 |
| ajmitch | in the source | 11:28 |
| ajmitch | so it should get built | 11:28 |
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| talios | is it (and the .image files in /usr/share/xxx ) just not included in some file list to package or something? | 11:31 |
| ajmitch | or the packaging just needs stripped down & redone.. | 11:31 |
| ajmitch | since I'd need to take a bit of a look to make sure it's doing the right things | 11:32 |
| Lathiat | gah have to rebuild pbuilder again | 11:36 |
| Lathiat | i keep forgetting to save it when i reformat | 11:36 |
| ajmitch | heh | 11:37 |
| ajmitch | why reformat? | 11:37 |
| Lathiat | testing out the install, clean up the system, in this case i was installing kubuntu | 11:37 |
| Lathiat | doubling for a) | 11:37 |
| talios | vmware++ | 11:38 |
| ajmitch | you couldn't just install into a spare partition or LVM space? :) | 11:38 |
| talios | or xen. | 11:38 |
| Lathiat | i dont have the luxury of spare space :) | 11:38 |
| ajmitch | or backup the drive before installing? :) | 11:38 |
| Lathiat | i keep /home | 11:38 |
| ajmitch | sure you do | 11:38 |
| Lathiat | just i forge tlittle things | 11:38 |
| Lathiat | like pbuilder | 11:38 |
| talios | Lathiat, ajmitch will buy you a spare machine :) | 11:38 |
| Lathiat | nothing of consequence | 11:38 |
| Lathiat | but annoying :) | 11:38 |
| ajmitch | *choke* | 11:38 |
| Lathiat | and xen doesnt play so well on laptops | 11:38 |
| Lathiat | and vmware isnt a true representation fo if the installer is workign on my hardware | 11:38 |
| ajmitch | talios: I might buy him a beer, but not a new machine ;) | 11:39 |
| Lathiat | :) | 11:39 |
| ajmitch | talios: you coming to LCA as well? | 11:39 |
| === Lathiat is currently test building new synce stuff from debian.., in the hopes my ipaq will work with it then :) | ||
| Lathiat | new minor upstream versions | 11:39 |
| talios | linuxconf? thinking of... | 11:39 |
| ajmitch | yeah, linux conf australia | 11:39 |
| talios | in new zealand ;p | 11:39 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch: now now you buy beer for a minor would you? ;p | 11:39 |
| Lathiat | nz is just a state of australia | 11:39 |
| Lathiat | ;p | 11:39 |
| Lathiat | s/you/you wouldnt | 11:40 |
| ajmitch | Lathiat: by the time you're over here you won't be a minor :) | 11:40 |
| Lathiat | indeed | 11:40 |
| Lathiat | so | 11:41 |
| Lathiat | registratiosn open today | 11:41 |
| Lathiat | but i still dont see a programme | 11:41 |
| Lathiat | and i know 2 people who havent been ACKd or NACKd on their papers | 11:41 |
| Lathiat | and they havent got back to me about travel assistance | 11:41 |
| Lathiat | hrm :\ | 11:41 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 11:42 |
| Lathiat | not to mention we're 3 weeks overdue of this point already | 11:42 |
| ajmitch | they seem a bit disorganised at times.. | 11:42 |
| ajmitch | conference is only about 15 weeks away | 11:42 |
| Lathiat | s/at times/in general | 11:42 |
| ajmitch | so 3 weeks slippage is bad | 11:42 |
| Lathiat | ohw ell | 11:42 |
| Lathiat | we'll see | 11:42 |
| bob2 | Lathiat: yeah, I was worried about that | 11:42 |
| bob2 | since I'd nominally like to go | 11:42 |
| Lathiat | i helped organize 03, i know it can be a bit | 11:42 |
| Lathiat | but its starting to get a bit worrying :\ | 11:43 |
| Lathiat | s/bit/bitch | 11:43 |
| ajmitch | Lathiat: we might have to pass the hat around the MOTUs ;) | 11:44 |
| Lathiat | heh | 11:44 |
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| === talios walks into the lounge and sees some crap "south auckland" tv show and the actor says "this is crap" - here here. | ||
| slomo_ | hi everybody | 11:45 |
| Lathiat | yoyo slomo | 11:45 |
| ajmitch | hey slomo | 11:45 |
| bob2 | is it set at the annual Auckland get drunk and bush your best mate's face in festival? | 11:46 |
| Lathiat | what, australia day? | 11:46 |
| talios | bob2, that sounds like the hardcore punk show I was at a few months back | 11:46 |
| talios | got a fist to the chin, and almost got a boot to head ;( | 11:46 |
| talios | damn hardcore freaks | 11:47 |
| Lathiat | haha | 11:47 |
| bob2 | pity they weren't straightedge | 11:47 |
| talios | roundhouse kicks != dancing | 11:47 |
| Lathiat | hahaha | 11:47 |
| bob2 | then they'd have preached instead of kicking. or something. | 11:47 |
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| talios | either that or they'd be all emo and cry | 11:48 |
| talios | but in a manly way | 11:48 |
| slomo | haha... i hope we get xchat 2.6 for dapper :) finally some usability improvements... http://forum.xchat.org/viewtopic.php?t=1753 | 11:52 |
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| ajmitch | jsgotangco: massive floods? | 11:54 |
| jsgotangco | 40 edits in less than an hour? | 11:54 |
| ajmitch | not many | 11:54 |
| ajmitch | I've got > 10K unread edits in my wiki folder ;) | 11:55 |
| jsgotangco | that's collective | 11:55 |
| ajmitch | 70MB just of wiki edits.. | 11:55 |
| jsgotangco | they've been busy updating the links because theyre unveiling a new site | 11:55 |
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| ajmitch | night all | 12:13 |
| talios | Night | 12:14 |
| dholbach | good night ajmitch | 12:14 |
| bob2 | adios ajmitch | 12:18 |
| \sh | cu ajmitch | 12:22 |
| janimo | any revu admin here? | 12:22 |
| janimo | markuman, ping | 12:22 |
| janimo | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=745 | 12:23 |
| janimo | I cannot access the changes files | 12:23 |
| slomo | that's normal... don't worry | 12:24 |
| janimo | I want to sign and upload that package | 12:24 |
| janimo | I suppose I need tha changes file | 12:25 |
| dholbach | debuild -S -sa -kjani@crazy.place.net should work too | 12:25 |
| janimo | dholbach, was just going to ask you thanks :) | 12:25 |
| dholbach | :) | 12:25 |
| janimo | my fist sponsorship | 12:26 |
| janimo | dholbach, so did that and just dput tha changes as with my packages? | 12:28 |
| dholbach | yeah | 12:29 |
| dholbach | just debuild -S -sa -k<mailadress> and dput ubuntu bla*changes | 12:29 |
| slomo | janimo: you have upload rights now? great :) congrats :) | 12:30 |
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| bob2 | janimo: remove commented out dh_ calls in the debian/rules | 12:35 |
| bob2 | janimo: does xfce4-taskmanager really have no command line options? | 12:35 |
| bob2 | janimo: shouldnt the descriptions say xfce4? (I dunno if there's a standard for that sort of thing) | 12:36 |
| bob2 | </nitpicking> | 12:37 |
| pef | hello | 12:40 |
| janimo | bob2, sorry I was away | 12:43 |
| janimo | slomo, I had upload rights before hoary, but I was a very bad andlazy motu during the breezy cycle | 12:44 |
| janimo | bob2, well if the package name contains xfce4 I think it's ok | 12:45 |
| slomo | janimo: oh... sorry... i didn't know that | 12:45 |
| janimo | slomo, np :) | 12:45 |
| janimo | I hope to be more busy from now on | 12:45 |
| janimo | s/more busy/busier/ | 12:46 |
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| Tifa | ies | 01:26 |
| Tifa | mav | 01:26 |
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| dholbach | bbl | 02:20 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:01 |
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| \sh | re bddebian | 03:14 |
| bddebian | Heya \sh | 03:16 |
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| sivang | yo bddebian | 03:32 |
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| bddebian | Heya sivang | 03:33 |
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| bmonty | hi everyone | 03:54 |
| bddebian | Heya bmonty | 03:54 |
| bmonty | mmm...I love this coffee :) | 03:56 |
| bmonty | damn, I was trying to get LDAP+Kerberos login going on my laptop, and now PAM is all messed up...I can't even use sudo anymore :( | 03:58 |
| bddebian | Eeks | 03:59 |
| bmonty | the crappy thing is that I moved all of the old PAM config files back and it stil doesn't work | 03:59 |
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| bmonty | \sh: I marked the xemacs packages as fixed in the FTBFS lists | 04:15 |
| \sh | bmonty: thx...I will remove all the stuff I fixed...I'm just waiting for all the syncs I requested :( | 04:16 |
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| bmonty | \sh: I think we should only update the front page, updating all of the lists for all the arches is a huge pain | 04:17 |
| \sh | bmonty: yeah... | 04:17 |
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| bmonty | a java package should be using gcj and not jikes, correct? | 04:23 |
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| === bddebian should really get back to MOTU work :'-( | ||
| bmonty | quit slacking! | 04:34 |
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| bddebian | Yeah :-( | 04:34 |
| === bmonty begins to stack explosives next to bddebian's house | ||
| Lathiat | THERE IS NO ESCAPEEE | 04:35 |
| bddebian | Sheesh.. Rough crowd :-) | 04:35 |
| bddebian | I need to fix 3 more bugs... :-) | 04:36 |
| bmonty | trying to build classpath from debian and it needs a newer version of gjdoc than ubuntu has :( | 04:36 |
| bmonty | such a PITA to test... | 04:36 |
| bddebian | Like lyx :-) | 04:36 |
| bmonty | now I have to decide if I want to make my own apt repository to test a build or find something else | 04:37 |
| chillywilly | everyone should have their own repo ;) | 04:38 |
| bddebian | Heya chillywilly, how ya doing? | 04:39 |
| chillywilly | ok, I guess | 04:41 |
| bmonty | chillywilly: yeah, except now I have to waste time setting up apache on my server :( | 04:42 |
| azeem | bmonty: you can do a deb file:/// repo, it's dead easy | 04:44 |
| azeem | deb file:///home/mbanck/build/upload/todo/ ./ | 04:44 |
| bmonty | azeem: you can't point a pbuilder at that afaik | 04:45 |
| azeem | pfft | 04:45 |
| azeem | well, works with sbuild and apt-get-offline | 04:45 |
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| bddebian | wb tritium ;-) | 04:46 |
| tritium | good morning, bddebian | 04:49 |
| tritium | take it easy, bddebian | 04:54 |
| bddebian | :-) | 04:55 |
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| bmonty | anyone know if there is a howto so that I can just dput files to my archive server? | 05:03 |
| bddebian | There is a LocalAptGet wiki page | 05:06 |
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| bmonty | yeah, but that one means I dput to a local directory and then I have to rsync the package to the server | 05:07 |
| bmonty | I want to dput directly to my server | 05:07 |
| azeem | mini-dinstall used to do that, dunno if that is still working/maintained | 05:08 |
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| sistpoty | hi folks | 05:11 |
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| \sh | ogra: ping...keyboard works :) | 05:43 |
| ogra | sure... | 05:43 |
| ogra | its only usb :) | 05:44 |
| \sh | well...now I need a sun keyboard layout file for x86 xorg ;) | 05:44 |
| \sh | de style | 05:44 |
| ogra | \sh, there should be one | 05:46 |
| \sh | hmmm.. | 05:47 |
| \sh | don't find one | 05:47 |
| ogra | /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/sun_vndr/usb | 05:47 |
| ogra | /etc/X11/xkb/keymap/sun_vndr/de | 05:47 |
| ogra | /etc/X11/xkb/rules/sun | 05:47 |
| \sh | hmmmm | 05:48 |
| \sh | doesn't show up in gnome keyboard switch | 05:48 |
| ogra | i think its rather a X issue | 05:49 |
| \sh | hmmm... | 05:49 |
| \sh | let me try a reconfigure | 05:49 |
| \sh | brb | 05:49 |
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| dholbach_ | re | 06:02 |
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| cyberixae | gnunet 0.7-family package is now in Debian. So it didn't get to breezy, but maybe it will get to backports and Dapper. | 06:47 |
| TMM | cyberixae, what's a gnunet? | 06:48 |
| cyberixae | http://gnunet.org/ | 06:49 |
| TMM | I sort of could have expected that ;) | 06:49 |
| TMM | cool | 06:50 |
| TMM | is this like freenet? or is it less anal than that? security wise? | 06:50 |
| spayne | dholbach: yo, how's it going? | 06:50 |
| dholbach | ok :) | 06:51 |
| dholbach | how about you? | 06:51 |
| spayne | dholbach: still happy that i got a package into Breezy :) | 06:51 |
| cyberixae | TMM: Could you be more specific? | 06:51 |
| spayne | dholbach: dreading tomorrow though | 06:51 |
| dholbach | cool :) | 06:51 |
| TMM | cyberixae, freenet is totally paranoid about privacy, to the point where it is hard to use | 06:52 |
| TMM | cyberixae, no search for one | 06:52 |
| cyberixae | "no search for one"? | 06:52 |
| TMM | you can't search freenet | 06:53 |
| TMM | and it uses anonymous encrypted data stores | 06:53 |
| spayne | dholbach: are there any major stoppers for Breezy? | 06:53 |
| cyberixae | TMM: Well gnunet has search | 06:54 |
| TMM | basically freenet nodes that just donate an X amount of harddisk space and stuff just gets on there | 06:54 |
| TMM | you don't know what you have on your drives, and neither can you find out | 06:54 |
| cyberixae | TMM: GNUnet does that too, unless you turn it off. | 06:54 |
| TMM | it seems that gnunet does something similar though | 06:54 |
| dholbach | spayne: it's enough to do still | 06:54 |
| spayne | dholbach: is there anything simple i can help out with? | 06:54 |
| TMM | I wonder how they managed to get searches working and keep it anonymous | 06:55 |
| dholbach | spayne: ask around in the channel, maybe some ftbfs stuff | 06:55 |
| dholbach | sorry, i'm quite busy atm | 06:55 |
| hub | dholbach: I think that for gscore, going without abcp is fine | 06:55 |
| spayne | i can imagine | 06:55 |
| hub | dholbach: I talked to the upstream maintainer of gscore | 06:55 |
| dholbach | abcp? | 06:55 |
| dholbach | ah ok | 06:55 |
| dholbach | i remember | 06:55 |
| dholbach | ok, super | 06:55 |
| cyberixae | TMM: search queries are hashed so they are not plain text and they are forwarded so no-one knows the initator. | 06:56 |
| cyberixae | TMM: (If I may simplify) | 06:56 |
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| TMM | you'd have to send it back at some point though, right? | 06:56 |
| cyberixae | TMM: It takes the same path back | 06:57 |
| cyberixae | TMM: Every node on the way remembers who to return the answer to | 06:57 |
| TMM | ah, so only the first node you send it to will know, and he won't know if the next will be forwarding it again | 06:57 |
| TMM | so the node doesn't know for *sure* that it was intended for you | 06:58 |
| TMM | right? | 06:58 |
| cyberixae | Yep, but the first node doesn't know either, if it is originally to you | 06:58 |
| cyberixae | or to someone your going to forward it to. | 06:58 |
| TMM | yeah, I meant that | 06:58 |
| TMM | it looks a lot cleverer than freenet to me | 06:59 |
| TMM | from what I can make out of the faq anyway | 06:59 |
| cyberixae | TMM: I think freenet does something like that too | 06:59 |
| TMM | although I wonder if it'll scale as bad as freenet as well :) | 07:00 |
| bddebian | mmm Cheesesteak | 07:00 |
| TMM | freenet didn't use to be able to do searches, perhaps it does now | 07:00 |
| cyberixae | TMM: You can read the paper for GNUnet anonymous routing, if you want... http://gnunet.org/download/aff.ps | 07:00 |
| TMM | cyberixae, cool | 07:01 |
| cyberixae | TMM: Or the encoding paper... http://gnunet.org/download/ecrs.ps | 07:01 |
| TMM | cyberixae, are you involved with gnunet or something? :) | 07:02 |
| cyberixae | It is the most interresting one in my opinion. | 07:02 |
| cyberixae | TMM: A bit | 07:02 |
| \sh | ogra: keine keymap...also de und xorg pc105 laeuft soweit, halt ohne die sondertasten | 07:03 |
| ogra | \sh, then we'll fix the missing bit :) | 07:03 |
| cyberixae | TMM: Translated web into Finnish, collected publicdomain svg flag images from Internet for use in future guis and reported some bugs/feature requests. | 07:03 |
| TMM | cyberixae, openclipart has all the flags right there :) | 07:03 |
| cyberixae | TMM: Almost | 07:04 |
| cyberixae | TMM: Most of them are from there | 07:04 |
| TMM | cyberixae, aren't they all there? | 07:04 |
| cyberixae | TMM: I named them after country codes so they are easy to use | 07:04 |
| TMM | cyberixae, that's a pretty good idea :) | 07:04 |
| cyberixae | TMM: They were missing some, which I found at Sodipodi clipart | 07:04 |
| cyberixae | TMM: Thumbnails were one of my feature requests that got implemented. | 07:05 |
| cyberixae | TMM: See http://gnunet.org/gnunetgtk.php3 | 07:05 |
| TMM | looks pretty | 07:06 |
| cyberixae | TMM: The flags pictures are in SVN at https://gnunet.org/svn/gnunet-gtk/contrib/flags/ | 07:06 |
| TMM | but, personally, I think that thumbnails in a P2P aren't such a good idea | 07:07 |
| cyberixae | TMM: They can be turned off | 07:08 |
| TMM | due to a) security and b) pr0n | 07:08 |
| cyberixae | Why? | 07:08 |
| TMM | it wouldn't be a GNU app if it couldn't be turned off | 07:08 |
| \sh | ogra: sure :) | 07:08 |
| cyberixae | TMM: From the config file | 07:08 |
| \sh | and now I wonder, why planet used my rss feed to spam again | 07:08 |
| cyberixae | TMM: Not the code | 07:08 |
| cyberixae | :-) | 07:08 |
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| TMM | well, its rather a lot easier to distribute a jpeg exploit if the clients starts loading arbitrary data from unknown sources | 07:09 |
| cyberixae | TMM: Well the issue is still not even close to a browser and people use a browser everyday. | 07:10 |
| hub | for Build-Depend, shall I be minimal or put everything that the configure check ? | 07:11 |
| hub | like eg if I depend on libgtk-dev, shall I depend on libglib-dev? | 07:12 |
| TMM | cyberixae, that is also true, but peer to peer is a bit more of a jungle than the web even | 07:15 |
| cyberixae | TMM: Well. If I were an attacker I'd definitely use Web to attack people | 07:16 |
| cyberixae | TMM: Not p2p | 07:16 |
| TMM | cyberixae, well, it's not a big problem :) | 07:16 |
| TMM | cyberixae, just a thought :) | 07:17 |
| cyberixae | TMM: Yep. | 07:17 |
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| cyberixae | TMM: Finding shock stuff when searching for something else is also a common problem. | 07:18 |
| cyberixae | TMM: Not actually a p2p problem or a problem that should be fought by not having thumbnails. | 07:18 |
| cyberixae | :-/ | 07:18 |
| TMM | there's nothing you can do about it, especially on a network like gnunet | 07:19 |
| cyberixae | TMM: Yes there are | 07:19 |
| TMM | how so? people can just insert content under whatever keyword they want, no? | 07:19 |
| cyberixae | TMM: People can search only namespace that are known to be safe. | 07:19 |
| TMM | cyberixae, hey, got a dsc and an orig.tar.gz for the client and the server? I'd like to try it for a bit | 07:20 |
| cyberixae | TMM: Global namespace is the jungle. | 07:20 |
| cyberixae | TMM: I'm using Ubuntu, which doesn't have a 0.7-family deb yet so I compiled the SVN | 07:20 |
| TMM | I'll look into it myself then | 07:21 |
| cyberixae | If you want the complete SVN (includes webpages, papers and some related and not related tools and libraries) you may command "svn checkout https://gnunet.org/svn/" in a directory where you want the stuff. | 07:23 |
| dholbach | who was andreas mussgiller again? | 07:37 |
| dholbach | he isnt whitelisted yet | 07:37 |
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| \sh | dholbach: did u receive any sync from elmo today_ | 07:43 |
| \sh | ? | 07:43 |
| \sh | i need to adjust again on bigger keyboards and I think always this sun is a US sun keyboard | 07:43 |
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| dholbach | \sh: dunno i didnt read every bit of breezy-changes today | 07:44 |
| \sh | because if not, I will ask mdz or kamion to do the syncs... | 07:44 |
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| \sh | bmonty: ping... | 08:32 |
| \sh | bmonty: classpath is not buildable? | 08:32 |
| bmonty | \sh: the package in ubuntu doesn't build for i386 | 08:32 |
| \sh | bmonty: new package in debian eventually? | 08:33 |
| bmonty | \sh: the new package is in debian, but needs a newer version of gjdoc to build | 08:33 |
| bmonty | so I can't say if it builds or not | 08:33 |
| \sh | bmonty: hmmm...chroot and new gjdoc? | 08:34 |
| \sh | or is gjdoc in main? | 08:34 |
| bmonty | not sure where gjdoc is, but I need to get my archive back up and running so I can do that | 08:34 |
| bmonty | that is what I was working on before I had to go to work for awhile | 08:34 |
| bmonty | I think sync is probably the answer, but I want to test it first | 08:35 |
| \sh | bmonty: ok...if you need some help with that, please write an email...so i could test it tomorrow...I'm working now on the rest | 08:35 |
| bmonty | \sh: will do, thanks | 08:35 |
| \sh | bmonty: u r welcome :) | 08:35 |
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| siretart | rbelem_: ping | 08:37 |
| \sh | moins siretart | 08:37 |
| Mez | lo all | 08:37 |
| Mez | !ping | 08:37 |
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| \sh | g'evening Mez | 08:38 |
| siretart | huhu \sh! | 08:38 |
| Mez | evening | 08:40 |
| Mez | only one for a short while | 08:40 |
| Mez | transferring some money | 08:40 |
| \sh | Mez: what do I have to do to be an approved backports member? | 08:40 |
| Mez | erm, not much... but just show to me that you can test things backport properly etc | 08:41 |
| Mez | we can go over it at UBZ if you want? | 08:41 |
| \sh | Mez: sure... | 08:41 |
| Mez | seeing as I'm pretty busy till then anyways, and have no net access | 08:42 |
| Mez | but, it's pretty simple, just test they work when backported | 08:42 |
| Mez | use a pbuild :D | 08:42 |
| \sh | Mez: *lol* | 08:43 |
| Mez | then test it builds, if it doesnt, make it work in backported from and too... then rebuild | 08:44 |
| Mez | and then test | 08:44 |
| Mez | and then send to james | 08:44 |
| \sh | sure...that's clear | 08:45 |
| Mez | lol | 08:46 |
| Mez | :P | 08:47 |
| Mez | tis pretty easy | 08:47 |
| Mez | but meh - I dont doubt nyou can do it | 08:47 |
| \sh | I thought there are some special things to become a backports member ;) | 08:48 |
| Mez | nah, not in your case | 08:48 |
| Mez | normally, you'll have to prove packaging skills etc etc | 08:48 |
| Mez | normally, as long as someone is a semi-competent motu, we'll accept them, they just need to learn the backports ropes | 08:49 |
| \sh | Mez: ok..let's talk about it at ubz | 08:51 |
| Mez | np | 08:52 |
| \sh | Mez: btw...u should have a look on popcon.ubuntu.com for knowing what the users want | 08:52 |
| Mez | kool | 08:52 |
| \sh | it is..thx to dholbach | 09:00 |
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| hub | I have to patch configure.ac for a package to build | 09:06 |
| hub | is that a problem to run automake? | 09:06 |
| bmonty | hub: I don't think so...I pretty sure I've seen packages that do that | 09:07 |
| bmonty | you have to build depend on automake | 09:07 |
| hub | yep I do already | 09:07 |
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| sistpoty | hi folks | 09:08 |
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| bmonty | hi sistpoty | 09:08 |
| dholbach | i'm out for a walk, bbl | 09:15 |
| hub | is there a "Section" music in the packages? | 09:15 |
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| sistpoty | ' \sh: did you (or s.o. else) request sync for atlas3 yet? | 09:16 |
| \sh | sistpoty: no... | 09:19 |
| \sh | sistpoty: but I can do... | 09:19 |
| \sh | sistpoty: i'm collecting | 09:19 |
| sistpoty | that would be great ;) | 09:19 |
| \sh | give me the version number of debian and if it's ok to override some ubuntu changes_ | 09:20 |
| sistpoty | ' \sh atlas3 (3.0.6-20), current ubuntu is also the debian -19, so ok to override | 09:22 |
| \sh | sistpoty: so no ubuntuX version_ | 09:22 |
| \sh | ? | 09:22 |
| sistpoty | exactly | 09:22 |
| \sh | k | 09:22 |
| \sh | tested_ | 09:22 |
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| \sh | argl | 09:22 |
| \sh | I have a new keyboard :) | 09:22 |
| sistpoty | hehe | 09:22 |
| \sh | which is sun...and I think all the time it's a US | 09:23 |
| \sh | cause at office I'm using only US sun keyboards | 09:23 |
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| \sh | well..this one is nice...just like the old cherries | 09:23 |
| sistpoty | the ctrl-key is really on a wrong location imo ;) | 09:23 |
| \sh | hmm...it's left from alt :) | 09:24 |
| \sh | but the left alt key is to small...but for that there is compose :) | 09:24 |
| sistpoty | hm... i think of ultrasparc3?-keyboards, where it's left from alt above some other key (afaik... haven't sitten in front of these for some time ;) | 09:25 |
| sistpoty | or even the keyboards we have at university, attached to the sun's... whatever ;) | 09:26 |
| \sh | sistpoty: well...I have now here a sun type 6 usb german keyboard :) | 09:26 |
| \sh | and I have to build a nice keymap with ogra | 09:26 |
| sistpoty | w00t | 09:26 |
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| \sh | sistpoty: yeah...our company threw away new keyboards of this type...including a nice 3 button ball mouse :) | 09:28 |
| \sh | sistpoty: also usb | 09:29 |
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| sistpoty | hehe | 09:29 |
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| \sh | lets see if this patch fixes vflib3 | 09:34 |
| \sh | strike... | 09:37 |
| \sh | thx andreas jochens ;) | 09:37 |
| siretart | hi sistpoty! | 09:41 |
| siretart | \sh: whay kind of sun keyboard? type 5 or type 6? | 09:41 |
| \sh | type 6 usb euro de | 09:41 |
| \sh | 320-1281 | 09:42 |
| sistpoty | hi siretart | 09:42 |
| siretart | I don't like them either. we have these keyboard on all sunrays at uni | 09:42 |
| siretart | but I also have a type 5 at home. that one is feeling really good :) | 09:42 |
| \sh | hehe...and we're throwing them away..with boxes including mice ;) | 09:42 |
| siretart | baah | 09:43 |
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| siretart | these plastic mice without wheel? | 09:43 |
| \sh | no...ball usb mice | 09:44 |
| \sh | only 3 buttons | 09:44 |
| \sh | no wheel | 09:44 |
| \sh | slomo: next main uploader ? ;) | 09:48 |
| sistpoty | *g* | 09:49 |
| slomo | \sh: maybe... i'll ask for that when more mono stuff gets to main for dapper ;) | 09:50 |
| \sh | haaha | 09:50 |
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| slomo | <Beowulf> one thing I ask EVERY Ubuntu NMUers. If you put in you Universe a recompiled version, please change Maintainer field | 10:04 |
| slomo | <Beowulf> De: R.A. Walker <raw@consultant.com> | 10:04 |
| slomo | <Beowulf> Para: jsogo@debian.org | 10:04 |
| slomo | <Beowulf> Asunto: Seahorse 0.7.9-4ubuntu1 bug | 10:04 |
| slomo | hmm | 10:04 |
| slomo | maybe we should consider this for dapper... somehow automated would be the best | 10:04 |
| \sh | slomo: we should discuss this at ubz...but I think it's already settled | 10:05 |
| Mez | hmm ... i thought you just changed the changelog | 10:06 |
| siretart | slomo: the problem is that you cannot suit everyone | 10:06 |
| siretart | slomo: if we change the maintainer field, then we will annoy the people wanting their deserved credit | 10:06 |
| siretart | slomo: if we leave the maintainer field, we annoy some Maintainers like Beowulf | 10:06 |
| sistpoty | iirc there were some posts on ubuntu-devel ml on this | 10:07 |
| \sh | we should remove it...and mention it in DEBIAN.OldMaintainer ;) | 10:07 |
| \sh | bah...I'm sarcastic | 10:07 |
| herzi | doko: ping | 10:07 |
| slomo | hmm | 10:07 |
| \sh | guys...fix universeftbfs. | 10:08 |
| siretart | \sh: my preference would be a Debian-Maintainer: field | 10:08 |
| \sh | siretart: it would a better solution then now | 10:08 |
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| \sh | re ogra | 10:08 |
| herzi | hi ogra | 10:09 |
| sistpoty | iirc the conclusion from mdz was, that ubuntu cannot decide that on its own, but needs to come to an agreement with debian about it | 10:09 |
| sistpoty | hi ogra | 10:09 |
| bmonty | \sh: compiling classpath now | 10:09 |
| \sh | bmonty: rock :) | 10:09 |
| slomo | bmonty: you want to update classpath? or something else? ;) | 10:09 |
| ogra | heya | 10:09 |
| bmonty | slomo: testing to see if the latest debian version will build | 10:10 |
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| slomo | bmonty: should build fine... but why do you want to update it? | 10:10 |
| bmonty | slomo: the current classpath package FTBFS | 10:11 |
| bmonty | in ubuntu that is | 10:11 |
| slomo | bmonty: ok... :) | 10:11 |
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| \sh | hmmm...being under pressure I can work best somehow...strange | 10:14 |
| \sh | that means..weekend, more beer | 10:14 |
| bmonty | \sh: ok, the latest debian version of classpath builds | 10:14 |
| bmonty | we will have to sync gjdoc with classpath | 10:15 |
| \sh | bmonty: ok...version number, and if the sync is ok to override ubuntu patches | 10:15 |
| \sh | bmonty: no ways | 10:15 |
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| \sh | gjdoc is main | 10:15 |
| bmonty | the latest classpath depends on a newer version of gjdoc than ubuntu has | 10:16 |
| \sh | bmonty: or try to ping doko and ask him if he's ok with it, and if mdz is approving this break from UVF, FF, and CloseToReleaseToBeAfraid | 10:16 |
| bmonty | \sh: I could try and remove the version requirement from the debian classpath package and see what happens | 10:17 |
| \sh | bmonty: good idea :)= | 10:18 |
| bmonty | I'm not sure I like doing that though...I think the debian maintainer probably had a reason for putting that requirement | 10:18 |
| \sh | bmonty: I'm doing it since a couple of uploads with libjack0.100.0-dev | 10:18 |
| \sh | downgrading to libjack0.80.0-dev | 10:18 |
| \sh | I don't like it eather | 10:18 |
| \sh | either even | 10:18 |
| \sh | bah | 10:18 |
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| \sh | learn even | 10:21 |
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| bmonty | how can I remove a package from my mini-dinstall archive? | 10:22 |
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| \sh | bmonty: rm | 10:23 |
| \sh | and then run the Packages.gz creation again | 10:24 |
| bmonty | k, thanks | 10:24 |
| bmonty | building again.... | 10:28 |
| ajmitch | morning all | 10:29 |
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| bmonty | hi ajmitch | 10:29 |
| \sh | hey ajmitch | 10:29 |
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| TheMagus_ | hi all... anyone who's good at HAL stuff in here? | 10:30 |
| \sh | *yawn* | 10:34 |
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| herzi | how do i specify the S?? number which is prepended to the runlevel symlinks of an init script when building a package? | 10:38 |
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| bmonty | \sh: ok, classpath builds with the ubuntu gjdoc | 10:42 |
| \sh | bmonty: rocking :) | 10:43 |
| bmonty | \sh: sould I make a debdiff from the debian package? | 10:44 |
| \sh | bmonty: please..and make it somewhere available | 10:44 |
| \sh | bmonty: so I can upload for you | 10:45 |
| bmonty | ok, let me tidy up the changelog and I'll send you a link | 10:45 |
| \sh | bmonty: kewl | 10:45 |
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| bmonty | \sh: http://www.montynet.org/ubuntu/debdiff/classpath_0.18-5ubuntu1.debdiff | 10:49 |
| \sh | bmonty: thx | 10:49 |
| \sh | bmonty: that's against new debian package, right? | 10:50 |
| bmonty | \sh: yes | 10:50 |
| \sh | bmonty: K | 10:50 |
| bmonty | also, there are no ubuntu changes on the current classpath package | 10:50 |
| \sh | bmonty: no prob...source upload | 10:51 |
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| bmonty | gotta take the dog outside...be back in a few | 10:55 |
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| \sh | -58mins until universe fix ;) | 11:05 |
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| \sh | sorry -55mins until universe fix | 11:05 |
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| dholbach | re | 11:05 |
| \sh | re dholbach | 11:05 |
| \sh | bah again..evolution crash | 11:07 |
| herzi | dholbach: hi | 11:07 |
| \sh | i'm too lazy now for a backtrace | 11:07 |
| herzi | \sh: just let bug-buddy do that for you | 11:07 |
| \sh | herzi: no..it's only a "not responding" no real crash... | 11:08 |
| herzi | \sh: do you try to move your sent mail to a non-existent imap account? | 11:08 |
| herzi | okay | 11:08 |
| \sh | herzi: but bug is already filed at upstream | 11:08 |
| herzi | then it's different from 'my crash' | 11:08 |
| Tonio- | hi all | 11:08 |
| herzi | dholbach: ping | 11:08 |
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| dholbach | herzi: pong | 11:09 |
| doko | horzi: ? | 11:10 |
| Tonio- | dholbach: concerning your revu for wlassistant, I didn't change anything to the tarball, but it has aparently been modified whithout version change.... | 11:10 |
| dholbach | ouch | 11:10 |
| dholbach | those upstream guys | 11:10 |
| ajmitch | hi dholbach | 11:10 |
| Tonio- | and apparently the day i packaged, the tarball was a bit different depending on the sf download server..... | 11:11 |
| Tonio- | certainly an update propaging..... | 11:11 |
| dholbach | hey anrew | 11:11 |
| dholbach | andrew :) | 11:11 |
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| \sh | headache..grmpf | 11:19 |
| dholbach | who synced seahorse? | 11:19 |
| \sh | sistopy? | 11:19 |
| \sh | Von: Stefan Potyra <daemon@poleboy.de> | 11:20 |
| \sh | Antwort an: ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com | 11:20 |
| \sh | An: breezy-changes@lists.ubuntu.com | 11:20 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: it broke? | 11:20 |
| dholbach | sistpoty: <seb128> <Beowulf> afaik the problem is that Ubuntu's gconf2 package does not include gconf-schemas script, making seahorse fail on install, and thus not showing encrypt and sign in contextual menus for files and folders | 11:20 |
| ajmitch | fun | 11:20 |
| ajmitch | sigh | 11:21 |
| dholbach | feels like a downgrade | 11:21 |
| ajmitch | when will libofx2 actually install? | 11:21 |
| \sh | ajmitch: I just uploaded a fixed version today | 11:21 |
| ajmitch | \sh: 1:0.8.0-3ubuntu7 | 11:22 |
| ajmitch | ? | 11:22 |
| \sh | ajmitch: jups | 11:22 |
| ajmitch | it's broken | 11:22 |
| \sh | fck | 11:22 |
| ajmitch | you got the Replaces wrong again :P | 11:22 |
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| \sh | ajmitch: you fix...I'm too tired | 11:22 |
| ajmitch | libofx2 should Replaces: libofx1x2 | 11:23 |
| ajmitch | since that's where the file is | 11:23 |
| \sh | what? | 11:23 |
| ajmitch | which Unpacking libofx2 (from .../libofx2_1%3a0.8.0-3ubuntu7_i386.deb) ... | 11:24 |
| ajmitch | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libofx2_1%3a0.8.0-3ubuntu7_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/libofx/dtd/opensp.dcl', which is also in package libofx1c2 | 11:24 |
| \sh | 13th appointment with asylum | 11:24 |
| ajmitch | same file in libofx1c2 & libofx2 | 11:24 |
| \sh | I'm sure it's in Replaces | 11:24 |
| ajmitch | libofx2 has *no* replaces | 11:24 |
| ajmitch | only libofx-dev does | 11:25 |
| \sh | Oh well...I just discussed this with infinity | 11:25 |
| ajmitch | and what did he say? | 11:25 |
| \sh | I just asked him, if I have to set in both places a Replaces, and he said, actually this is what I understand, only in this package where the .la/.a file is replaced...so -dev | 11:26 |
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| \sh | time to relacx | 11:26 |
| \sh | -c | 11:26 |
| sistpoty | re | 11:27 |
| \sh | re sistpoty | 11:27 |
| sistpoty | what about the issue with seahoarse? | 11:27 |
| ajmitch | \sh: the issue is that libofx2 has extra stuff, so the libs aren't parallel installable | 11:28 |
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| dholbach | sistpoty: it uses a gconf functionality we dont have yet | 11:28 |
| \sh | ajmitch: so my first thought was correct to replaces both packages with the lib package | 11:29 |
| sistpoty | gna... didn't test it thoroughly enough... :( | 11:29 |
| ajmitch | no | 11:29 |
| ajmitch | well | 11:29 |
| ajmitch | yes | 11:29 |
| ajmitch | good luck talking to tb though | 11:29 |
| ajmitch | the comments in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=326989 say that yes, stuff should be moved into libofx-data | 11:30 |
| \sh | ajmitch: .la + .a belongs to -dev | 11:30 |
| ajmitch | yes | 11:30 |
| dholbach | sistpoty: we'll have to revert it | 11:30 |
| ajmitch | and /usr/share/libofx shouldn't be in libofx2 imho | 11:31 |
| \sh | ajmitch: and it's a policy violation what debian did...leaving it in libofx* === * != -dev | 11:31 |
| dooglus | the contents of /var/lib/apt/lists keeps vanishing. either there's a bug, or someone's hacked my box... can do I tell which it is? | 11:31 |
| sistpoty | dholbach: ok... should i go for it, or will s.o. else take it? | 11:31 |
| ajmitch | uh, why would you think that's someone hacking your box? :) | 11:31 |
| dholbach | sistpoty: i'd appreciate it, if i didnt have to do it | 11:31 |
| sistpoty | dholbach: k, hopefully i have the old sources left ;) | 11:32 |
| dholbach | sistpoty: so anybody else will be fine for me | 11:32 |
| dooglus | ajmitch: 1) there's 12 hours missing from the logs in /var/log/auth.log; 2) all the files in /var/lib/apt/lists keep disappearing; 3 - I see some funny entries in auth.log from before the bit that was wiped | 11:32 |
| dholbach | sistpoty: archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu? | 11:32 |
| ajmitch | dooglus: fun | 11:32 |
| dholbach | we should have a #ubuntu-security | 11:33 |
| dholbach | :) | 11:33 |
| dooglus | hmmm | 11:33 |
| dholbach | the guys in there would have some shrewd ideas | 11:33 |
| \sh | ajmitch: ok...so should we fix it the "right" way? | 11:33 |
| dooglus | could somebody tell me the correct md5sum for /bin/bash please? | 11:34 |
| \sh | 2shermann@shermann-laptop:~/packages/breezy/digikamimageplugins/digikamimageplugins-0.7.2$ md5sum /bin/bash | 11:34 |
| \sh | f49e9dee8958b2460a695b1db308ebd9 /bin/bash | 11:34 |
| \sh | breezy that is | 11:34 |
| dooglus | thanks. that's what my box tells me, too. | 11:34 |
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| dooglus | it's just that 'tiger' told me it was wrong. | 11:34 |
| ajmitch | what is tiger? | 11:35 |
| dooglus | tiger is a security checking program | 11:35 |
| ajmitch | \sh: probably not the 'right' way :) | 11:35 |
| \sh | ajmitch: well..let's have this fixed in a straight way ;) | 11:36 |
| ajmitch | since the right way involves moving those shared files out of libofx2 | 11:36 |
| \sh | ajmitch: do it ;) | 11:36 |
| ajmitch | I fear the wrath | 11:36 |
| dooglus | I believe it's in universe, but I can't check because my apt cache files won't stick around long enough... http://www.nongnu.org/tiger/ | 11:36 |
| \sh | well...I just got blamed anyways...so write my name in it ;) dch -i >>\sh's too stupid upload<< | 11:37 |
| \sh | I# | 11:37 |
| \sh | I'll send an email to elmo now, with latest syncs...and that's it for today | 11:37 |
| ajmitch | ok, bye \sh :) | 11:38 |
| bmonty | \sh: thanks for uploading classpath | 11:38 |
| \sh | bmonty: u r welcome | 11:39 |
| \sh | who wanted to have atlas3 synced? slomo sistopy? | 11:39 |
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| \sh | thx | 11:39 |
| dooglus | one last thing - is it normal to see "localhost su[26759] : + ??? root:chris" in /var/log/auth.log? I think it means that root is su'ing to *my* account, which is strange. | 11:40 |
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| \sh | ok..guys...going to bed | 11:41 |
| slomo | gn8 \sh :) | 11:42 |
| bmonty | bye \sh | 11:42 |
| dooglus | night \sh | 11:42 |
| sistpoty | gn8 \sh | 11:42 |
| slomo | someone should really make theora encoding faster... 2 fps is too slow on and athlon xp 2600+... | 11:43 |
| sistpoty | anyone with xprint knowledge here? | 11:43 |
| dooglus | it's annoying not knowing whether the box is hacked or not - it means I can't put it on the net or update it. | 11:43 |
| sistpoty | or general x/fonts knowledge? | 11:43 |
| sistpoty | http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/debdiffs/xprint_0.1.0.alpha1-11_to_0.1.0.alpha1-11ubuntu1.debdiff | 11:44 |
| bddebian | sistpoty: xprint-xorg is jacked :-) | 11:44 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: i fixed the compile issue | 11:45 |
| bmonty | is there a howto on making packages for kernel modules? | 11:45 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: but there are other issues (postinst wants some dir which still refers to /usr/X11...) | 11:45 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: and i have no plan about this :( | 11:45 |
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