[12:02] <tritium> hmm, this is not good.  I can't see a thing in X.  None of the windows refresh properly
[12:02] <\sh> ajmitch: and from my kernel config I can see only that oprofile (kernel profiling) is compiled as module...
[12:03] <\sh> anyways -EOFFTOBED
[12:03] <\sh> good night folks :) cu tomorrow^Wlater this day *grmpf*
[12:04] <sivang> \sh_away: good night
[12:05] <Kyral> REVU upload in 3....2...1..or whenever this Prelink stops
[12:06] <sivang> Kyral: nice, I'll try look at it tommorow, I think I'm oing to bed now. work tommorow and it's alrady past midnight :)
[12:06] <Kyral> lol okay
[12:06] <Kyral> I'm willing to bet there will be some technical error with the package
[12:06] <wBryce> thanks, I'll probably play around with oprofile again later. Possibly in a few weeks/months.
[12:06] <sivang> Kyral: I'm also working on some related specs, I'll ping you up when I have them ready for feedback :)
[12:07] <sivang> wBryce: thank you for bringing this up, was very interesting
[12:08] <wBryce> no problems. I'll be back next time. (even if I just compile my own kernel and oprofile version).
[12:08] <sivang> wBryce: cool, btw - what's your relation to lifeless  ?
[12:08] <sivang> ;-)
[12:08] <tritium> ah, much better in the console :)
[12:08] <wBryce> I know him from Dunedin.
[12:09] <wBryce> From university.
[12:10] <sivang> oh, you just saved me another google query :)
[12:11] <sivang> night all, hitting bed
[12:11] <wBryce> goodnight as well
[12:11] <tritium> good night, sivang
[12:11] <sivang> night tritium
[12:13] <hub> hi
[12:16] <ajmitch> hmm, another dunedin person then :)
[12:17] <Kyral> hmm, the * wildcard is valid in a hosts.allow file right...
[12:19] <hub> I got an upload that has been rejected because "Rejected: Unknown distribution `unstable'.
[12:19] <hub> " shall I upload a new one to REVU?
[12:19] <hub> with breezy instead?
[12:19] <ajmitch> yes
[12:19] <hub> new version or same version?
[12:19] <Kyral> brb reboot
[12:25] <Kyral> and my crusade to completely restrict SSH access to my box to only the computer labs continues
[12:26] <ajmitch> Kyral: iptables
[12:26] <Kyral> I do
[12:26] <Kyral> I also just edited my /etc/hosts.deny and hosts.allow to also deny access to things outside the labs IPBlock :D
[12:27] <Kyral> deny has "ALL: ALL" and allow has "ALL: <TheIPBlock>"
[12:27] <Kyral> but what takes precedence...
[12:29] <Kyral> I basically want to set up IPTables and the hosts files to deny any incoming connection except SSH connections coming from the labs IPBlock...
[12:31] <ajmitch> order is allow, deny
[12:31] <Kyral> I actually meant if IPTables comes into effect first or if the hosts files do
[12:31] <hub> ajmitch: so shall bump the version to change the distribution?
[12:31] <ajmitch> iptables does, of course
[12:31] <ajmitch> hub: no need
[12:31] <Kyral> ah
[12:32] <Kyral> I wish there was an easy configurer for IPTables..
[12:33] <hub> ajmitch: ok. thx. upload to REVU again then
[12:33] <Burgundavia> Kyral, there is
[12:34] <Burgundavia> Kyral, firestarter
[12:34] <Kyral> psh, firestarter
[12:34] <Kyral> I just want something that helps me make rules and then puts them in iptables. Not something that sits on my system tray
[12:34] <Kyral> and emacs > vim
[12:36] <slomo> gn8 everybody
[12:37] <slomo> Kyral: and emacs is definetly bigger than vim... (but not better ;P )
[12:37] <Kyral> lookie what I found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IptablesHowTo?highlight=%28IPTables%29
[12:40] <azeem> LaserJock: am now
[12:41] <LaserJock> oh, heah cool
[12:41] <LaserJock> I joined the ghemical-devel list so I saw your latest emails
[12:42] <azeem> ah
[12:42] <LaserJock> I was looking at the ghemical source package and had a question
[12:42] <LaserJock> It depends on mopac7 right?
[12:43] <hub> how does it take to have a newly uploaded package to be valid on launchpad?
[12:43] <azeem> ghemical itself doesn't anymore, libghemical can (it does on Ubuntu, bot not on Debian right now)
[12:43] <hub> "Invalid source package name enblend"
[12:43] <hub> but enblend has been uploaded now to the universe
[12:43] <Kyral> okay stupid question. How do I save my current IPTables rules to enable on startup?
[12:44] <LaserJock> azeem: ok but I see that ghemical has mopac as a dependency and I saw in the debian/rules it has --enable-mpqc
[12:45] <LaserJock> azeem: so does it also need --enable-mopac7  also?
[12:45] <ajmitch> hi azeem
[12:45] <azeem> LaserJock: hrm, that --enable-mpqc is bogus
[12:45] <azeem> LaserJock: if you run ./configure --help in the ghemical source, you will see that there is no such option (anymore)
[12:45] <azeem> ajmitch: hi
[12:45] <azeem> LaserJock: I forgot to remove it when libghemical arrived
[12:46] <LaserJock> azeem: ok, I was wondering, becaus I understood that that stuff was moved to libghemical. I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't missing somethin
[12:46] <azeem> nah, thanks for pointing that out :)
[12:49] <LaserJock> azeem: anything to help ;-) I'm not really a programmer, just an interested user
[12:51] <LaserJock> I am trying to get some of the people in my department to move from Spartan to ghemical for a lot of our simple computational stuff
[12:52] <hub> ajmitch: my package lost his "advocates" :-(
[12:52] <azeem> LaserJock: cool
[12:53] <azeem> LaserJock: I am doing more ab-initio stuff with very small molecules, so ghemical is of limited use to my work right now
[12:54] <LaserJock> azeem: I use it a lot for setting up Gaussian calculations. Of most interest to me is being able to quickly create a molecule that has a geometry pretty close to the abinitio one
[12:55] <LaserJock> azeem: is use the MM or PM3
[12:55] <LaserJock> azeem: however, I think it has some potential for some of our teaching labs because it is significantly cheaper than Spartan ;-)
[12:56] <azeem> heh :)
[12:56] <azeem> are you using it as a virtualization tool as well?
[12:56] <azeem> eh, visualization
[12:56] <LaserJock> azeem: oh yeah. It is good for that
[12:57] <Kyral> booyah
[12:57] <Kyral> locked down my system ENTIRELY
[12:57] <LaserJock> azeem: although I usually do a final version using something else
[12:58] <azeem> LaserJock: I'm using molekel for that mostly, but it's non-free unfortunately, and not maintained anymore
[12:58] <LaserJock> azeem: so far it is the package that is closest to my goal of just needing 1 program that takes care of all my computational needs
[12:59] <LaserJock> but I am just a physical chemist and don't do much hard core theoretical stuff so maybe my needs aren't so much ;-)
[01:11] <Kyral> yo Mez
[01:12] <Mez> yo
[01:12] <Kyral> sup
[01:15] <Mez> not much
[01:16] <Kyral> Backports slowing down as Breezy gets closer?
[01:23] <tseng> hi Mez
[01:25] <bddebian> Heya Mez
[01:26] <bddebian> LaserJock: Are you still pushing poor azeem? :-)
[01:26] <Kyral> hey bddebian mind looking at my dcbu package on REVU and explaining what the Linda error means?
[01:27] <azeem> pushing?
[01:27] <bddebian> azeem: Trying to get his mopac7 stuff working :-)
[01:27] <azeem> but it's working in Ubuntu, no?
[01:28] <azeem> I'm currently waiting on upstream to put it into Debian
[01:28] <bddebian> Didn't sound like it.  I built it in but sounded like it had some bugs?
[01:30] <bddebian> Kyral: I don't know for sure.  You could try 1.0-0ubuntu1 as a version?
[01:30] <Kyral> bddebian, I think it may not like that I appended "~beta" to every version previous to this (look at the changelog)
[01:39] <LaserJock> bddebian: sorry was away for a while. No, I'm being good to azeem ;-)
[01:40] <bddebian> LaserJock: I was just kidding :-)
[01:43] <LaserJock> do you guys know of anybody working on Scigraphica?
[01:47] <Mez> lo
[02:03] <hub> I don't find the page where they say were to upload the files
[02:03] <hub> s/upload the files/announce the uploaded file to Debian/
[02:04] <ajmitch> we don't generally announce the uploads, although you can inform the utnubu list if you wish
[02:05] <hub> ajmitch: anounce to debian if they want to pick the package
[02:05] <hub> I thought we did it at one point
[02:09] <ajmitch> depends, do you want to maintain the package yourself in debian?
[02:10] <hub> I'm not a Debian developer
[02:10] <hub> so....
[02:11] <ajmitch> so?
[02:11] <ajmitch> you can still maintain in debian if you have a sponsor
[02:14] <hub> why not
[02:46] <LaserJock> so... what happens once Breezy comes out? Is Universe totally frozen and all work is done for Dapper?
[02:48] <ajmitch> yes
[02:49] <Kyral> Does that mean we have to Dist-Upgrade to Dapper immediately?
[02:49] <bddebian> Of course :-)
[02:49] <tseng> does that mean its a good idea/
[02:49] <tseng> nope.
[02:49] <Kyral> can you gimme a month
[02:49] <Kyral> I'd like to see what a stable OS looks like for a while ;P
[02:50] <LaserJock> will it be ok to use a Dapper pbuilder environment to start with?
[02:50] <Kyral> I should really get around making a pbuilder env
[02:51] <Kyral> although I have no clue why I should
[02:51] <LaserJock> for me just learning to do packaging, pbuilder rocks
[02:52] <Kyral> well, I'm just learning too, and I don't understand why I can't just keep doing my work in a workspace dir in ~
[02:53] <LaserJock> well, for me, I might have installed deps already and I won't catch that I miss putting somethin in the control file or something like that
[02:53] <Kyral> I use a script I found in the DNMG
[02:54] <LaserJock> what script?
[02:54] <Kyral> uhh....
[02:54] <Mez> pbuilder is useful for having an unstable environment, such as dapper, or what was breezy to build in while running a stable environemt for day to day use... it basically means if something breaks in dapper, it doesnt affect you, just you're pbuilder... and that usually just means you cant build a few things.
[02:54] <Kyral> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html
[02:54] <Kyral> its in there
[02:55] <LaserJock> Mez: ohh, yeah that too ;-)
[02:55] <Mez> :P
[02:56] <Mez> Kyral, are you on about dh_make?
[02:56] <Kyral> yah
[02:56] <Kyral> I'm learning via the New Maintainers Guide right now
[02:56] <Mez> :)
[02:56] <Mez> yeah, dh_make is good, but only for new packages
[02:56] <Kyral> Yah I've found that out the hard way...
[02:57] <Mez> :P
[02:57] <Kyral> Actually has anyone fixed gDesklets yet?
[02:57] <Kyral> I know it was on the FTBFS list...
[02:57] <Mez> the DNMG is a good start, but theres no better tutor than experience... get a motu to check over packages or use REVU) and you'll get a load of help
[02:59] <bddebian> Gotta switch machines, bbiab
[03:14] <LaserJock> are the list of files for UniverseFTBFS and UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile created by hand?
[03:32] <bmonty> evening MOTUs!
[04:04] <TMM> hey all
[04:04] <TMM> mind taking a look at something for me that is completely ubuntu unrelated? just because you are such nice guys :)
[04:05] <TMM> http://braam.sytes.net/~hp/fullmoon.png <--- design for a website I need to do, I just finished it, and I wondered if it doesn't look all that aweful
[04:05] <TMM> it's a tad offtopic, I know, I hope you can forgive me :)
[04:10] <bmonty> TMM: looks neat to me
[04:10] <TMM> bmonty, cool, thanks, then I think I'll just stick to this
[04:11] <bmonty> TMM: only thing I would say is that it might take awhile to load on a slow connection
[04:12] <LaserJock> hiya bddebian
[04:12] <bmonty> gah, this FTBFS wiki is a *huge* PITA to update
[04:12] <TMM> bmonty, I know... it won't scale very well either... I'm stuck with this though :(
[04:13] <LaserJock> yeah, I was wondering how the FTBFS pages were created
[04:13] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[04:13] <bddebian> bmonty: Aye
[04:13] <bmonty> hey bddebian
[04:13] <bipolar> bddebian, is the libofx stuff fixed yet?
[04:13] <bmonty> sweet, just got a call from my bro...time to play some Halo 2 :)
[04:14] <ajmitch> hi
[04:14] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[04:14] <bddebian> bipolar: Fixed?  What's wrong with it?
[04:14] <\sh> re - moins
[04:14] <bddebian> Heya \sh
[04:14] <\sh> bah...less then 4h sleep
[04:15] <bipolar> bddebian, file conflicts between libofx2 and libofx-dev
[04:15] <\sh> bipolar: which version of the package?
[04:15] <\sh> libofx_0.8.0-3ubuntu6.dsc
[04:15] <bipolar> let me try again. maybe I had an old one...
[04:15] <TMM> bmonty, thanks
[04:15] <\sh> should be fixed
[04:16] <bipolar> \sh, libofx? not libofx2?
[04:16] <\sh> bipolar: libofx is the source package
[04:16] <bipolar> ok
[04:16] <Kyral> So Dapper repos will open as soon as Breezy goes stable?
[04:17] <\sh> we hope so...
[04:17] <bipolar> I think it's fixed.
[04:18] <bipolar> yeah, it's fixed. must have been fixed this afternoon.
[04:18] <bddebian> Fucking lyx.  It's builds fine in pbuilder but not locally so I can't test my changes. :-(
[04:19] <LaserJock> is it possible to create a script for the FTBFS wiki pages?
[04:19] <\sh> bddebian: ?
[04:19] <\sh> bddebian: what does it mean "not locally" grap the packages and install it ;)
[04:19] <\sh> bipolar: no yesterday ;)
[04:20] <\sh> ogra: u didn't sleep as I told you ;)
[04:20] <bddebian> \sh: dpkg-buildpackage pukes
[04:21] <ogra> \sh, on my way to bed
[04:21] <\sh> bddebian: dpkg-buildpackage has some problems sometimes
[04:21] <\sh> ogra: I wondered, when I saw your uploads ;)
[04:21] <ogra> :)
[04:22] <\sh> ogra: think u should move to .au ;)
[04:22] <ogra> YES ! :)
[04:22] <\sh> -3 DAYS
[04:22] <ogra> yes :/
[04:23] <bddebian> :-)
[04:23] <bddebian> \sh: Aye, so how would I test it?  I guess I could try debuild but the damn thing takes 2 hours to build :-(
[04:23] <\sh> and when Breezy is out, I'll apply for a  alcohol withdrawal treatment (sp?)
[04:24] <bddebian> heh
[04:24] <\sh> bddebian: pbuilder? and install the package
[04:24] <ogra> night all
[04:24] <\sh> ogra: good night sleep well friend
[04:24] <ogra> :)
[04:25] <\sh> bddebian: or send me your patches and I let lyx building while I'm in the office
[04:25] <bddebian> \sh: I did a pbuilder build but that doesn't save the .debs does it?
[04:25] <bddebian> Night ogra
[04:25] <\sh> dooglus: of course /var/spool/pbuilder/result/
[04:26] <\sh> aeh sorry /var/cache/pbuilder/result/
[04:26] <\sh> bddebian: that is
[04:26] <\sh> not dooglus
[04:27] <bddebian> heh
[04:27] <\sh> too early in the morning
[04:27] <bddebian> Doh, what an idiot.  I was looking in /var/cache/pbuilder/build/  :-(
[04:28] <\sh> bddebian: I have here 2 pbuilder running, and everything is in my homedir ;)
[04:29] <\sh> bddebian: I'll write a nice howto, how you deal with one two three pbuilders at the same time very niceley, for dapper :)
[04:29] <bddebian> Heh.
[04:29] <bddebian> Step 1)  Get a very fast ass machine ;-)
[04:29] <\sh> I'll think I do as well some work on the backports front for dapper
[04:30] <bddebian> ajmitch: No freakin' way :-)
[04:30] <\sh> bddebian: HARHAR...you don't need it...think I'll bring my working laptop to UBZ so everybody can see, how the real hacks are working ;) hmm...for that i have to remove the tobacco, the dust and everything else which doesn't belong in a laptop somehow
[04:31] <bddebian> heh
[04:31] <ajmitch> bddebian: too late :P
[04:34] <ajmitch> bddebian: besides, I don't want to intrude on the territory of the #1 bug fixer
[04:35] <bddebian> Hmm, well the .deb has /usr/share/mime/packages/lyx.xml but it didn't seem to install it :-(
[04:35] <ajmitch> you checked it with dpkg-deb?
[04:35] <bddebian> Yep
[04:35] <bddebian> ajmitch: Who is the #1 bugfixer, bmonty ? :-_)
[04:36] <ajmitch> BddebianIsAGod
[04:36] <\sh> just heard "Down Under" from Men At Work :)
[04:37] <bddebian> Heh
[04:37] <bddebian> ajmitch: No he isn't, ask \sh now.  He has changed his tune. ;-P
[04:37] <\sh> bddebian: No :) I didn't I just said, that I don't believe in God that's why I left the church ;)
[04:38] <bddebian> ajmitch: I added it to lyx-common.install too but that was failing saying it couldn't find lyx.xml
[04:38] <ajmitch> right
[04:39] <bddebian> right what?
[04:39] <bddebian> heh
[04:40] <ajmitch> and of course he wants to get a bounty for selinux work..
[04:41] <Kyral> I just realized something
[04:42] <Burgundavia> ah rant anyway ajmitch, it should be interesting
[04:42] <Kyral> for most Ubuntu Users, the 13th means Upgrade to Breezy day
[04:42] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: nah, I'd rather just sit back, be bitter, & mope
[04:42] <Kyral> but for MOTUs (and MOTUs In Training) its Upgrade to Dapper days
[04:42] <\sh> Kyral: no
[04:43] <ajmitch> nah
[04:43] <Kyral> eh?
[04:43] <ajmitch> we wait a week or so
[04:43] <\sh> Kyral: dapper needs some love first, before we can update
[04:43] <Kyral> whew good :D
[04:43] <bddebian> Would someone mind looking at this: http://www2.bddebian.com:8000/packages/ubuntu/lyx/lyx_1.3.6-1ubuntu4.debdiff
[04:43] <\sh> Kyral: and it's adviced to do your first steps towards dapper in a chroot ;)
[04:43] <Kyral> So who is gonna be at UBZ on the 30th?
[04:43] <bddebian> To see what I'm missing?
[04:44] <Kyral> I will be :D
[04:44] <Kyral> Just for Ubuntu Love, 'cause I have class the rest of the week
[04:44] <\sh> diff -u lyx-1.3.6/debian/lyx-common.install lyx-1.3.6/debian/lyx-common.install
[04:44] <\sh> --- lyx-1.3.6/debian/lyx-common.install
[04:44] <\sh> +++ lyx-1.3.6/debian/lyx-common.install
[04:44] <\sh> @@ -6 +5,0 @@
[04:44] <\sh> -
[04:44] <\sh> only in patch2:
[04:44] <\sh> unchanged:
[04:44] <\sh> ajmitch: I updated in the middle of the xorg trans dance
[04:44] <ajmitch> I guess I'll have to try & have a fully functioning SELinux system by UBZ then to show off
[04:45] <Kyral> I don't have a laptop :(
[04:45] <Kyral> But I'll just be there :D
[04:45] <Kyral> Look for the idiot in a Clarkson T-Shirt
[04:45] <ajmitch> Kyral: what school are you at?
[04:46] <Kyral> Clarkson ;P
[04:46] <ajmitch> \sh: I'll bring a couple of cards
[04:46] <ajmitch> Kyral: doesn't tell me much :P
[04:46] <Kyral> www.clarkson.edu
[04:46] <\sh> ajmitch: well...I'll bring two laptops ;)
[04:46] <ajmitch> CS major? :)
[04:46] <Kyral> Bingo
[04:46] <ajmitch> \sh: no point me bringing 2
[04:46] <\sh> ajmitch: the r200 and the nc6000 ;)
[04:46] <Kyral> Sopomore
[04:47] <Kyral> wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrisPeterman
[04:47] <ajmitch> since the old laptop is getting progressively more stuffed
[04:47] <bddebian> ajmitch: Don't give me that sob story, I still have one sitting here.. ;-P
[04:48] <ajmitch> battery latch is broken now, so I'll need to tape or glue the battery in :)
[04:48] <ajmitch> bddebian: it doesn't get used much now, for good reasons
[04:48] <bddebian> \sh: So what did I miss there?
[04:49] <Kyral> So yah if you see me come up and say hi ;D
[04:49] <Kyral> What usually happens at Ubuntu Love Days anyway
[04:49] <\sh> bddebian: u said u added this file lyx.xml to lyx-common.install
[04:49] <ajmitch> dunno
[04:49] <ajmitch> since we didn't have one at UDU
[04:49] <Kyral> lol
[04:49] <\sh> Kyral: well...I wonder what will happen on 31st ;)
[04:49] <ajmitch> we'll find out when we get there
[04:49] <Kyral> I assume a bunch of free stuff
[04:50] <ajmitch> eh?
[04:50] <ajmitch> why would you assume free stuff?
[04:50] <Kyral> Dunno
[04:50] <Kyral> I'm hoping
[04:50] <Kyral> I'm a college student. Free stuff drives my life
[04:50] <bddebian> \sh: I took it back out after I was getting that error. Check the funkiness of debian/rules
[04:50] <ajmitch> you might pick up a free ubuntu cd if you're lucky
[04:51] <ajmitch> bddebian: ask bob2
[04:51] <Kyral> \sh I won't be able to stay past Ubuntu Love. I have classes
[04:51] <bddebian> ajmitch: Ask him what?
[04:51] <ajmitch> bddebian: you're having fun with lyx, right?
[04:52] <\sh> bddebian: hmmm...
[04:52] <ajmitch> you do realise that bob2 is a lyx co-maintainer?
[04:52] <bddebian> ajmitch: No, I didn't know that
[04:52] <ajmitch> you do now ;)
[04:53] <ajmitch> and I saw him active on irc 3 minutes ago
[04:55] <bob2> yo?
[04:55] <Kyral> I'll prolly stay in Breezy for a couple months and help out the Backports team before going to Dapper
[04:56] <\sh> moins bob2 :)
[04:56] <bob2> oh, btw
[04:56] <bob2> where are people supposed to get support for backport problems?
[04:56] <bob2> do you guys have a user support list/bug tracker?
[04:56] <Kyral> UbuntuForums
[04:57] <bddebian> bob2: Can you look at this:  http://www2.bddebian.com:8000/packages/ubuntu/lyx/lyx_1.3.6-1ubuntu4.debdiff ?
[04:57] <bob2> the forums is all? seriously?
[04:57] <bddebian> bob2: /usr/share/mime/packages/lyx.xml shows in lyx-common.deb but isn't getting installed?
[04:58] <\sh> bob2: ubuntu-backports ml
[04:58] <bob2> bddebian: how can it be in the package but not be installed?
[04:58] <ajmitch> hey bob2
[04:58] <bddebian> bob2: You tell me :-)
[04:58] <bob2> also, should I be bothered that you guys are up to 1ubuntu4 (implying 3 extra uploads) but I have no patches in the Debian BTS?
[04:58] <ajmitch> bob2: yes, lart them severely
[04:59] <bob2> bddebian: I don't see that in any of the lyx packages; what's that .xml file for? some gnome mime-type thing?
[04:59] <ajmitch> ubuntu1 was loosen build-depends, ubuntu2 was python depends, ubuntu3 is desktop file..
[05:00] <bddebian> bob2: Yes
[05:00] <ajmitch> so nothing major for debian :)
[05:00] <bob2> bddebian: (also, careful with your diffs, one of those hunks just delets a blank line)
[05:00] <bob2> ajmitch: ah, right, np then :)
[05:00] <bob2> bddebian: does Debian's gnome support whatever it is?
[05:01] <bddebian> bob2: I would assume so but I couldn't say for sure.  I run xfce on my Debian box :-)
[05:01] <bob2> ah
[05:01] <ajmitch> bddebian: debian gnu/hurd? :)
[05:01] <bob2> bddebian: ok, file a bug in the bts and I'll include it in the next upload (sans whitespace changes)
[05:01] <\sh> me is taking now a bug piece of shit named vnc4
[05:02] <\sh> bob2: well...looks like bddebian needs it before the 13th ;)
[05:02] <ajmitch> bob2: will you get us a bzr package in the next day or two for breezy?
[05:02] <bob2> ajmitch: yes
[05:02] <ajmitch> yay
[05:02] <bob2> ajmitch: 0.1 is apparently today
[05:02] <ajmitch> yeah
[05:03] <ajmitch> was talking to lifeless last night about it
[05:03] <bob2> ajmitch: oh, yeah, did you see my reply?
[05:03] <ajmitch> since sabdfl put in the request
[05:03] <bob2> I think I palmed off blame quite smoothly ;p
[05:03] <ajmitch> yes, I did
[05:03] <ajmitch> bob2: you're meant to blame your sponsors
[05:03] <ajmitch> it's the easy out
[05:05] <ajmitch> but I can understand that, I think 0.1 was expected by end of september on the roadmap
[05:05] <lifeless> bob2: I did not see your reply
[05:06] <\sh> why the heck vnc4 has 28MB of source and the orig file on realvnc only 517kB?
[05:07] <ajmitch> 03:35 < bob2> ajmitch__: lifeless LarstiQ 1.0rc1 didn't exist when I checked on friday evening
[05:07] <ajmitch> 03:36 < bob2> 0.0.8 didn't build due to the manpage thing, and by the time I fixed it for 0.0.9, I was under the impression 0.1 was imminent
[05:07] <ajmitch> 03:36 < bob2> (and I wanted something to hit testing)
[05:07] <\sh> ah forget it
[05:07] <ajmitch> :)
[05:08] <ajmitch> \sh: someone decided to distribute a movie as a manual?
[05:08] <\sh> ajmitch: bah
[05:08] <\sh> debian doesn't have a running vnc4 as well ;)
[05:09] <\sh> let's concentrate on really important stuff like xview?
[05:09] <ajmitch> yeah
[05:10] <\sh> *yawn*
[05:11] <lifeless> bob2: thus proving that testing is harmful
[05:14] <\sh> wow nice...
[05:15] <\sh> an easy fix
[05:16] <\sh> but a shitload of handwork for changing /usr/X11R6 to our layout
[05:16] <\sh> this is a nono before I had my first cup of coffee..
[05:16] <ajmitch> sed it?
[05:16] <bddebian> Heh
[05:16] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[05:17] <tritium> hi there bddebian
[05:17] <ajmitch> hello tritium
[05:17] <\sh> ajmitch: something like this, yeah...but I'll postpone it to 5:45 UTC
[05:17] <bob2> lifeless: testing is something that happens to other people
[05:17] <ajmitch> \sh: first coffee or first beer? :)
[05:17] <tritium> so what's causing the odd behavior in X today?
[05:17] <ajmitch> tritium: what 'odd behaviour'?
[05:17] <\sh> that's when I'm sitting at my desk and have my first cup of coffee
[05:17] <lifeless> bob2: 'testing the suite'
[05:18] <\sh> ajmitch: come on...it's monday here and I have to work...
[05:18] <tritium> ajmitch: not refreshing/updating windows properly
[05:18] <lifeless> \sh: did you not just go to bed ?
[05:18] <tritium> ajmitch: nalioth mentioned that others have been asking in #ubuntu
[05:18] <\sh> lifeless: I woke up after 3h and37 minutes
[05:18] <\sh> lifeless: of sleep
[05:18] <tritium> I'm not the only one experiencing this problem
[05:19] <ajmitch> tritium: only possible thing I see is a new gtk+ upload from yesterday
[05:19] <ajmitch> and that was only a minor patch
[05:20] <tritium> don't know
[05:21] <Kyral> Good night MOTU Team
[05:21] <hub> I tried something crazy tonite: packaging gimpshop
[05:21] <hub> the problem is that the package does not install
[05:22] <bob2> then you install the bits yourself
[05:24] <bddebian> GNight Kyral
[05:30] <lifeless> \sh: ouch
[05:31] <\sh> lifeless: well...yes I'm getting old...don't need much sleep anymore ;)
[05:31] <lifeless> \sh: I thought that was the other way around !
[05:31] <lifeless> babies - no sleep
[05:31] <lifeless> 90 year old men - asleep in the road in thei pyjamas
[05:32] <\sh> nah...babies are sleeping most of the day...but not when you sleep ;)
[05:32] <tritium> ajmitch: which gtk+ package are you referring to?
[05:33] <\sh> and regarding me...well...30 years in future, I think I'll need only 1h of sleep, because the rest of the day I'm waiting for Mr. Death ;)
[05:37] <\sh> and now it's time for a shower
[05:37] <ajmitch> tritium: gtk+
[05:37] <ajmitch> hi jsgotangco
[05:37] <jsgotangco> hey ajmitch
[05:39] <tritium> ajmitch: I'd check breezy-changes if I could use my browser, but I can't.
[05:44] <ajmitch> heh
[05:44] <tritium> :(
[05:45] <ajmitch> are bugs filed?
[05:45] <ajmitch> please make sure they get filed ASAP, with a decent severity
[05:47] <tritium> I don't know.  I'm trying to get links2 working so I can check bugzilla
[05:49] <ajmitch> that's why you have that winXP install still, right? ;)
[05:49] <tritium> true enough
[05:50] <jsgotangco> i've tried a preview of vmware on my windows partition and ubuntu is still snappy at 128MB
[05:51] <ajmitch> I don't see it in recent bugs
[05:51] <tritium> thanks for checking, ajmitch
[05:51] <jsgotangco> so youre stuck in irssi?
[05:52] <tritium> yeah, on linux I am.  ajmitch reminded me that I still have XP, or I can use my wife's iMac
[05:54] <ajmitch> and I use irssi anyway :)
[05:54] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, you have to code php on Windows?
[05:55] <jsgotangco> whats wrong with that?
[05:55] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: that is correct
[05:55] <Lathiat> eww :)
[05:55] <ajmitch> the server is linux though
[05:55] <ajmitch> but I need IE to test on
[05:56] <bddebian> mwuhahaha
[05:56] <\sh> wow...that was good
[05:56] <ajmitch> \sh: coffee? ;)
[05:56] <\sh> shower
[05:57] <\sh> now I'm not feeling like an old fart of 65 anymore, no, now I'm feeling like an old fart of 60 ,-)
[05:57] <bddebian> Heh
[05:57] <bddebian> Watch the "old man" comments ;-P
[05:58] <ajmitch> bddebian: get over it
[05:58] <\sh> bddebian: I think we're the same age range, right? ,-)
[05:58] <ajmitch> bddebian: you're probably not the oldest one here
[05:59] <\sh> Well....God, God Son and the Holy Ghost
[05:59] <\sh> Bddebian, \sh and Ogra ;)
[05:59] <bddebian> \sh: 35
[05:59] <\sh> bddebian: yeah...same age...34 here and ogra is 35 ;)
[06:00] <ajmitch> sometimes ogra looks 45, if he hasn't had much sleep ;)
[06:00] <ajmitch> hopefully he'll be less corpse-like at UBZ
[06:00] <jsgotangco> yeah ogra has been loaded lately
[06:00] <jsgotangco> the x-s-s thing made it worse
[06:00] <ajmitch> loaded? he's been doing a huge amount of work
[06:01] <\sh> he looked really bad, well I'll see him next weekend...
[06:01] <jsgotangco> hope he's not burning out
[06:01] <ajmitch> we'll have to pour a few beers into him to revive him :)
[06:02] <ajmitch> a shame that bddebian isn't going to be at UBZ
[06:02] <\sh> jsgotangco: well...we all are a bit burned out, but actually, volunteers have the possibility to retreat for some days/weeks/months
[06:02] <ajmitch> otherwise we could do a beer for each package uploaded or bug squashed ;)
[06:02] <ajmitch> \sh: we can?
[06:03] <jsgotangco> \sh, we currently have a choice to fade away, ogra doesn't have that luxury atm
[06:03] <\sh> jsgotangco: yeah...
[06:03] <\sh> ajmitch: why not?
[06:03] <ajmitch> \sh: got to prepare for UBZ
[06:03] <\sh> ajmitch: yesterday I made a little statistic about my upload behaviour
[06:04] <\sh> and august was the poorest
[06:04] <ajmitch> what, only 100 packages in august?
[06:04] <\sh> ajmitch: and that was my burned out phase
[06:04] <LaserJock> if only there was a UITD (Ubuntu In The Desert) i could come :-)
[06:04] <\sh> ajmitch: come on..be serious
[06:04] <tritium> LaserJock: me too!  Where are you?
[06:04] <LaserJock> Reno, Nevada
[06:04] <bddebian> ajmitch: Why so you could laugh at me? :-)
[06:04] <jsgotangco> LaserJock, say like in Egypt?
[06:05] <tritium> LaserJock: Albuquerque, NM here
[06:05] <bddebian> We need UDLV
[06:05] <ajmitch> \sh: sorry, it was 30 packages in august
[06:05] <seth_k> Sadly UBZ is probably the closest it will ever get to me
[06:05] <LaserJock> UDLV would be good
[06:05] <bddebian> LaserJock: ;-)
[06:05] <Burgundavia> AFAIK, there will be no Ubuntu dev conferences in the Untied States
[06:05] <ajmitch> \sh: which is a *LOT* more than I upload
[06:05] <tritium> Why is that, Burgundavia?
[06:05] <jsgotangco> i remember sabdfl metioning something like that...
[06:06] <Burgundavia> tritium, sabdfl got grey-listed by the INS
[06:06] <hub> Burgundavia: why in the US?
[06:06] <bob2> haha
[06:06] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: haha
[06:06] <hub> Burgundavia: immigration is a PITA there
[06:06] <tritium> Burgundavia: oh, really?  For going to space on a Russian ship?
[06:06] <lifeless> hub: I think you mean, why NOT in the US
[06:06] <hub> lifeless: nope
[06:06] <Burgundavia> he can come in, he just goes through hell everytime
[06:06] <hub> lifeless: I can't enter the US
[06:06] <bob2> Burgundavia: also because various ubuntu people refuse to go to the US
[06:06] <ajmitch> hub: why not?
[06:06] <bob2> tho the jet story is funny by itself
[06:07] <Burgundavia> hub, something about flying in without giving proper notice
[06:07] <tritium> bob2: really?
[06:07] <hub> ajmitch: passport issues
[06:07] <lifeless> no, for refueling perfectly legally, and customs got knickers in a twist about some flight plan irregularity
[06:07] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:07] <hub> Burgundavia: I live 60km from the US border
[06:07] <ajmitch> lifeless: that's a bit of a worry, but the US is like that..
[06:07] <lifeless> ajmitch: indeed.
[06:07] <bob2> lifeless: you need visas to transit through the US
[06:07] <Burgundavia> hub, I live about 20km from it
[06:07] <jsgotangco> yes you need visas
[06:07] <hub> Burgundavia: other coast, yes
[06:07] <lifeless> ajmitch: which is why I will not ever be setting foot on US soil
[06:07] <ajmitch> I'll be going through the US to get to UBZ
[06:07] <jsgotangco> it would be nice if the next conference would be near a beach
[06:07] <lifeless> ajmitch: I'm flying somewhat longer to achieve that for montreal
[06:08] <lifeless> ajmitch: poor bastard
[06:08] <ajmitch> I couldn't afford to fly via europe or japan, I think
[06:08] <lifeless> ajmitch: hope you have your fingerprint-gloves
[06:08] <ajmitch> so I've got to get my passport updated
[06:08] <Burgundavia> the big thing about flying near the US is that if you pass over US airspace, they can still stop the plane
[06:08] <ajmitch> since my one I had in sydney is *slightly* waterdamaged
[06:08] <lifeless> ajmitch: all it needs is hong kong, and you're fine
[06:08] <Burgundavia> s/they/the US
[06:08] <hub> Burgundavia: and if you have a connection in the US you must do immigration
[06:09] <Burgundavia> hub, ya
[06:09] <hub> fortunately Montreal -> France is easy
[06:09] <lifeless> yah.
[06:09] <tritium> bob2: so why do certain ubuntu people refuse to come here?
[06:09] <Burgundavia> but there is a case of an Air France jet from Mexico to Europe being turned back because of the US no-fly list
[06:09] <lifeless> apparently a __lot__ of people are saying 'no us airspace, KTHNXBYE'
[06:09] <lifeless> my travel agent was telling me about it
[06:09] <bob2> tritium: they don't want to be potentially prosecuted under the DMCA or harrassed by the FBI or whatever
[06:10] <tritium> oh, I see
[06:10] <bob2> skylarov was in jail for *months*
[06:10] <jsgotangco> FOSS work makes you a potential criminal?
[06:10] <lifeless> tritium: uhm, because US have an anal-retentive immigration policy that violates just about every civil right in existence, AND a fucked legal system that makes software patents legal (I'd be able to be imprisoned if I landed in the US, and I'm small fish compared to some of the guys)
[06:10] <hub> jsgotangco: according to US lobbies.yes
[06:11] <lifeless> tritium: I mean, I do *nothing* illegal here, but in the US I'm apparently a terrorist or something.
[06:11] <LaserJock> a friend of mine at school happens to share the same name as a IRA terrorist on the no-fly list. He found out coming back from a month in Germany :-o
[06:11] <ajmitch> yeah, so hopefully I don't have too much 'fun' going through the US :P
[06:11] <hub> ajmitch: can't fly thru canada?
[06:11] <lifeless> LaserJock: a friend of mine was in the US, and he has 'ssss' on his boarding cards for the same reason.
[06:11] <hub> packaging question
[06:11] <tritium> lifeless: I'm not really sure what you're referring to
[06:11] <lifeless> LaserJock: gets searched at *every* checkpoint.
[06:11] <ajmitch> hub: flying to canada, I mean
[06:12] <ajmitch> lifeless: US immigration is worse than australian?
[06:12] <lifeless> ajmitch: via hong kong is quite cheap.
[06:12] <LaserJock> I get checked a lot
[06:12] <hub> I have libgimpshop2.0 that provides libgimp2.0, but pacakge depending on libgimp2.0 do not recognize it
[06:12] <ajmitch> lifeless: already got my tickets via US
[06:12] <tritium> lifeless: what's the immigration issue you're referring to?
[06:12] <lifeless> ajmitch: for random visitors, yes.
[06:12] <LaserJock> maybe I look like a terrorist, lol
[06:12] <hub> how to solve that?
[06:12] <hub> Package: libgimpshop2.0
[06:13] <lifeless> tritium: fingerprinting everyone? A pretty broken facial recognition system?
[06:13] <tritium> my wife immigrated here from the Philippines with no problems
[06:13] <hub> Replaces: libgimp2.0, libgimp1.3, gimp1.3-data, gimp-data (<< 2.0.0-6)
[06:13] <hub> Provides: libgimp2.0
[06:13] <lifeless> tritium: bah, you are an apologist, do not have time for this right now
[06:13] <hub> tritium: Philipines have some special relationship with the US at one point
[06:13] <tritium> lifeless: I'm just trying to understand what you're referring to
[06:13] <\sh> fingerprints? we're using this in our company ;)
[06:13] <jsgotangco> tritium, because our country is an unofficial state heh
[06:14] <Burgundavia> Canucks also get a pretty free ride
[06:14] <hub> so now that half of the terrorist have my fingerprints from the US database, better not go there
[06:14] <\sh> the last time I was in the US was 2001 just a couple of months before the attack
[06:14] <lifeless> tritium: sorry, but AIUI the US policies are well known, so what I'm referring to should be obvious
[06:14] <hub> \sh: 10 days befor I was there
[06:14] <lifeless> tritium: if not, just google a little.
[06:15] <\sh> and at the immigrations, there was this big black officer...and was questioning me in german
[06:15] <\sh> I was SOOO shocked...
[06:15] <\sh> u r flying 10 hours and then this...an ex-gi sitting there...and is talking to you in your own language
[06:15] <lifeless> tritium: I am putting the onus on you, because of oh, 20 odd americans I've had the same discussion with, 19 of them got what I was referring to immediately.
[06:16] <bmonty> \sh: sounds fairly effective to me....
[06:16] <bmonty> if you were a bad guy...you would have to be on your toes
[06:17] <tritium> lifeless: sorry for being the 1 that wasn't familiar with it
[06:17] <\sh> bmonty: well...the problem was, I was there to work...but for visa reasons I had to say: No I'm visiting only a company for a conference ;)
[06:17] <bddebian> tritium: I don't know what he's talking about either so that makes two :-)
[06:17] <LaserJock> tritium: don't feel bad, me too
[06:17] <lifeless> huh.
[06:17] <lifeless> ok., let me dig a little
[06:17] <jsgotangco> lunch brb
[06:17] <bmonty> \sh: hence the reason why they have that tactic :P
[06:18] <tritium> bddebian, LaserJock: nice to be in the same boat :)
[06:18] <\sh> bmonty: well...now I know, germans are everywhere, even when they're not looking like germans ,-)
[06:18] <lifeless> http://old.linux.org.au/fta/testimony/ thats the FOSS -> jail angle.
[06:19] <tritium> heh, I'll have to check the IRC logs when I get X working again so i can check that URL
[06:19] <lifeless> which is making me seriously consider leaving .au
[06:19] <bmonty> \sh: if it makes you feel better, my only experience in Germany was eating really crappy food in the Frankfurt airport
[06:19] <bddebian> tritium: A lot ofit is just stories
[06:19] <lifeless> but AFAIK noone in the system here gives a shit about it and is ignoring it
[06:20] <tritium> bddebian: and misunderstandings, media spin
[06:20] <bddebian> aye
[06:20] <\sh> bmonty: oh sad....because there are really nice places even in frankfurt...some nice italian restaurants, good turkish take-aways, indian restaurants and greek take-aways ;)
[06:20] <bmonty> How up to date is the info on the FTBFS page?
[06:21] <\sh> bmonty: I have to strike out my packages....
[06:21] <ajmitch> lifeless: where would you go? nz?
[06:21] <lifeless> ajmitch: yah, I am .nz citizen
[06:21] <lifeless> and nz is still sane
[06:21] <ajmitch> yeah I figured :)
[06:21] <bmonty> \sh: not your packages...a few of the test build logs are an older version that what is in the archive
[06:21] <ajmitch> since you said you were from dunedin, so there was a reasonable chance you were a citizen
[06:22] <\sh> bmonty: if you're ready to have a really shit ass package ;) try vnc4 ,-)
[06:23] <lifeless> http://www.foreignborn.com/visas_imm/entering_us/8inspectionprocess.htm <- note the 'you may be placed into detention'. EVEN IF YOU HAVE A VISA.
[06:23] <\sh> bmonty: and don't ask me why our/debian package has 28MB of source file, when orig upstream sources are 517K and the java package is 780K
[06:23] <hub> canada immigration is much cooler
[06:24] <bmonty> \sh: yeah I just noticed the source package is huge
[06:24] <bmonty> hub: yeah...they don't even care if you are so drunk that you can't spell your name :)
[06:25] <\sh> ok guys...I'm going to work cu in 1 hour :)
[06:25] <bddebian> Later \sh
[06:27] <lifeless> http://www.cbp.gov/xp/CustomsToday/2004/oct_nov/new_anti_terror.xml <- documentation on the fingerprinting process
[06:28] <lifeless> I find it repulsive that you would be fingerprinted by C just for travelling from A->B if the plane needs to refuel in C.
[06:28] <lifeless> utterly reprehensible.
[06:28] <lifeless> ok, back to work
[06:29] <ajmitch> alright, time for me to head home, bbiab
[06:29] <LaserJock> is there a way to automate UniverseFTBFS and UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile?
[06:33] <lifeless> last link, honest.. http://www.cbp.gov/xp/CustomsToday/2003/December/u.s_visit.xml
[06:36] <tritium> lifeless: I can't read those right now, so I don't know what they say.  I'm sorry for whatever it is that bothers you.
[06:37] <lifeless> tritium: why are you sorry? you are not personally reponsible... though the us claims to be a democracy :0
[06:38] <bddebian> Yeah tritium, all the other countries of the world are free but us, didn't you know that? ;-P
[06:38] <lifeless> interesting strawman
[06:42] <bmonty> why do I get the feeling that \sh screwed me over when he asked me to look at vnc4?
[06:42] <ajmitch> bmonty: because he did
[06:42] <bob2> I wonder if it's a crime to leave the US with gpg on your laptop
[06:42] <LaserJock> bmonty: I pays to check irc logs sometimes ;-)
[06:43] <tritium> lifeless: don't know what to say, other than that I feel bad.  I can't find words right now.
[06:43] <bddebian> bmonty: :-)
[06:43] <bmonty> it wouldn't be so bad if I didn't have to fill out a web form to get the latest upstream source
[06:43] <ajmitch> bob2: so should I setup crypted volumes for my trip to UBZ? :)
[06:44] <ajmitch> bob2: btw, will you be going to UBZ?
[06:44] <bob2> ajmitch: hah, only if it's 40-bit encryption!
[06:44] <bob2> ajmitch: no, sadly
[06:44] <bob2> flying to canada turns out to cost more than the $10 I'd budgeted
[06:45] <ajmitch> unfortunate
[06:45] <ajmitch> you'll make it to LCA, i guess? :)
[06:45] <bob2> otoh, LCA is more fun than Ubuntu
[06:45] <bob2> hope so :)
[06:46] <ajmitch> still fairly cheap to fly to NZ for you
[06:46] <ajmitch> although you'd probably need to fly from sydney :)
[06:46] <bob2> heh
[06:48] <bob2> who was it who flew to dunedin?
[06:48] <ajmitch> hm?
[06:48] <ajmitch> freedom air does
[06:48] <ajmitch> but they're stopping dunedin flights in march iirc
[06:49] <ajmitch> the others like pacific blue, jetstar, etc go to christchurch
[06:49] <bmonty> anyone know how to get source code for vnc from realvnc?
[06:50] <bob2> wow, $100 for dunedin -> sydney
[06:51] <LaserJock> do any of you guys know how to get around a blocked IRC port?
[06:51] <bob2> ssh tunnel, httptunnel, socks, ssh + screen, etc
[06:52] <ajmitch> ip over dns
[06:52] <bob2> haha
[06:52] <bob2> eeeeeeeeeevil
[06:52] <bob2> (but cool)
[06:52] <ajmitch> I think we've got a daemon for that in breezy, too
[06:53] <ajmitch> Maintainer: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
[06:53] <ajmitch> yeah, we do ;)
[06:53] <bmonty> have any of you guys played around with LDAP and Kerberos to do a single sign-on?
[06:57] <hub> ajmitch: ip over dns is fun
[07:00] <LaserJock> so my IRC port is blocked at school. what would you suggest?
[07:00] <lifeless> dont IRC from school ?
[07:01] <LaserJock> well, that's the problem. My linux comps are at school (which is where I am a lot of the day) and I have only windows comps at home
[07:02] <bob2> irc from school is a recipe for disaster
[07:02] <lifeless> LaserJock: I suggest you install linux at home
[07:03] <LaserJock> fine, I guess. I do more work at school. Home time is for working on the yard, garage, etc..
[07:05] <LaserJock> I was just wondering if some of you faced the same problem
[07:05] <ajmitch> nope
[07:05] <lifeless> LaserJock: is the school policy 'no irc', or is it 'you can but the port *happens* to be blocked'
[07:05] <lifeless> if its the former, consider your actions seriously
[07:05] <lifeless> if its the latter, workaround any way you want, and agitate for them to unblock it
[07:06] <hub> or just don't do from school
[07:06] <LaserJock> lifeless: yeah, that's not going to happen. The IT department hates linux so...
[07:06] <hub> LaserJock: what is the relation between hating Linux and not opening IRC?
[07:07] <hub> I don't see
[07:07] <lifeless> LaserJock: nothing to do with linux
[07:07] <bmonty> ./configure
[07:07] <bmonty> oops
[07:07] <LaserJock> they will be like "Why do you want to do that?" and I will be cause I want to use IRC for support and help Ubuntu
[07:08] <LaserJock> and they will say "Ohhh, we can't have that"
[07:08] <hub> LaserJock: tell that it is to help develop a program for Windows :-)
[07:08] <bmonty> LaserJock: you say that there are some great opportunities to interact and further my education, blah, blah, blah
[07:08] <ajmitch> LaserJock: just say it's a necessary part of your studies
[07:08] <ajmitch> you're a grad student?
[07:08] <LaserJock> ajmitch: yep
[07:09] <bob2> wow
[07:09] <bmonty> ls
[07:09] <ajmitch> you ought to be experienced at bending the truth then ;)
[07:09] <bob2> even in bandwidth poor .au you get unrestricted net access as a grad student
[07:09] <hub> bob2: each is own IT policy
[07:09] <ajmitch> bob2: not in somewhere backwards like NZ
[07:09] <LaserJock> Well, we get hacked a lot and all of the freshmen in the dorms cause enough problems that they just turn off a lot of the ports
[07:10] <ajmitch> I think that net access would be unrestricted at uni here for outbound, but you pay for the data used
[07:10] <bob2> eep
[07:10] <bob2> ANU just sends stern letters if you get noticed on the daily traffic reports
[07:11] <ajmitch> ITS just sends out bills
[07:11] <bob2> hah
[07:11] <bob2> not often we get to feel bandwidth-rich ;p
[07:11] <ajmitch> compared to NZ you're beyond rich :)
[07:11] <LaserJock> well, when the virus waves come rolling through, the IT department starts getting anal ;-)
[07:11] <ajmitch> so I don't know how they're going to work it at LCA..
[07:11] <hub> LaserJock: "hacked" please use that word properly
[07:12] <bmonty> \sh: you working on packaging vnc 4.1?
[07:12] <hub> LaserJock: hacking does not imply illegal activities
[07:12] <LaserJock> not all of the hacking we have is illegal activity, but most of it is
[07:12] <hub> LaserJock: stop using hack to designate illegal activites
[07:13] <LaserJock> hub: I didn't
[07:13] <hub> you did
[07:13] <LaserJock> I said that we get hacked, I didn't say it was necessarily illegal
[07:13] <hub> "we get hacked a lot" <- implies the improper use of the word hacking
[07:14] <bob2> come on guys...
[07:14] <LaserJock> well, sorry then. I guess is was using the term to flipantly
[07:14] <LaserJock> *too
[07:15] <LaserJock> what would be a better term?
[07:15] <lifeless> cracked
[07:16] <LaserJock> well, cracked implies illegal entery right?
[07:17] <bmonty> CRACKED is what happens when the HACKERS get to your website :)
[07:18] <LaserJock> so, is there every a proper usage of "getting hacked"?
[07:18] <LaserJock> or, is hacking a general term for computer nerd stuff, just kidding
[07:19] <bob2> depends if you're trying to be a zdnet reader or a FS hacker
[07:19] <bob2> in the latter world, no
[07:19] <\sh> bmonty: no...
[07:19] <lifeless> http://www.jargon.net/jargonfile/t/TheMeaningofHack.html
[07:20] <bmonty> \sh: oh well...I'm not going to either :)
[07:20] <\sh> bmonty: *g* as I said a shit ass package ;)
[07:20] <bmonty> seriously though....can we break UVF for that?
[07:20] <\sh> bmonty: if it fixes the package, sure
[07:21] <LaserJock> lifless: thanks, I live in the chemistry world mostly, not the computer sci. world. Sometimes I don't have the jargon right
[07:21] <\sh> bmonty: but even debian doesn't have a 4.1 package available...well...i didn't check for testing or experimental
[07:21] <bmonty> \sh: they don't have 4.1 at all
[07:21] <bmonty> I could package 4.1, but I have no way to test it.  I'm not a vnc user.
[07:21] <\sh> bmonty: but a non working 4.0 ;) so we're fine
[07:22] <\sh> bmonty: I don't even know, why this stupid package has 28MB of orig.tar.gz
[07:22] <bmonty> \sh: yeah...the debian maintainer says he hasn't had time to package 4.1 yet
[07:26] <bmonty> good night everyone
[07:26] <LaserJock> cya bmonty
[07:26] <bddebian> Gnight bmonty
[07:30] <bddebian> Holy shit, we are back up over 500 bugs again.. :-(  ajmitch: How did you let that happen? ;-P
[07:32] <hub> package question
[07:33] <ajmitch> by not closing any
[07:33] <hub> isn't "Provides" suppose to say that package X provide Y for package that needs Y?
[07:33] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well get to work homey ;-)
[07:43] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[07:43] <\sh> bddebian: g'night god ;)
[07:43] <bddebian> pshaw :-)
[07:44] <bddebian> Gnight \sh
[07:44] <\sh> bah...emacs21 looks ugly somehow
[07:44] <LaserJock> cya bddebian
[07:44] <bddebian> emacs looks ugly period
[07:44] <\sh> wow
[07:44] <\sh> 41k deaths in pakistan? earthquake?
[07:45] <jsgotangco> yeah
[07:45] <\sh> holy shit
[07:45] <jsgotangco> the population there is huge really
[07:45] <LaserJock> 41k dang, it was < 1k this morning
[07:45] <jsgotangco> south asia is quite unlucky thisyear
[07:45] <jsgotangco> first the tsunami
[07:45] <\sh> I don't have a tv, nor a radio, neither I'm reading online news...Just saw this in our morning tv shows now in the office
[07:47] <jsgotangco> its been a while since i experienced an earthquake that killed a lot of people
[07:47] <jsgotangco> (not that i hope to experience it again)
[07:47] <\sh> sry...I'm just shocked
[07:48] <jsgotangco> \sh, i've been to india and pakistan a few years ago, the place is just dense...so i guess when an earthquake happens it kills a lot
[07:48] <ajmitch> I'm hoping we don't have a big quake here in NZ anytime soon
[07:49] <ajmitch> especially one centered around wellington
[07:49] <jsgotangco> NZ is almost empty compared to the southern part of the continent
[07:49] <jsgotangco> the population of the whole NZ area is probably comparable to 2 cities in India
[07:49] <ajmitch> yes
[07:49] <ajmitch> but it's one big fault line
[07:50] <lifeless> only in the mountains
[07:50] <ajmitch> and wellington
[07:50] <lifeless> you know, the big ones pushed up by it
[07:50] <jsgotangco> wellington?
[07:50] <lifeless> jsgotangco: its a cit.y.
[07:50] <jsgotangco> it moves like 2cm a year
[07:52] <\sh> oh well...I know why I'm not watching news...
[07:52] <\sh> every day bad news
[07:52] <\sh> chick flue in europe
[07:53] <\sh> chicken flu even
[07:53] <\sh> whatever
[07:53] <jsgotangco> bird flu and mad cow
[07:53] <jsgotangco> bird flu is pretty scary
[07:53] <jsgotangco> the migratory birds are involved
[07:54] <LaserJock> well, I got to go. cya all
[07:54] <\sh> a scientiest mentioned now, that there is question, that the bird flu is mixing up with the normal flu virus, the question is when...he thinks 3 to 5 years
[07:54] <\sh> there is no question ;)
[07:55] <jsgotangco> because the organisms mutate to survive
[07:56] <jsgotangco> others would say the earth is cleansing itself
[07:56] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:56] <jsgotangco> that we are living in a planet that doesn't seem to want us at all
[07:58] <\sh> jsgotangco: no....it's evolution, neo, evolution
[07:58] <\sh> jsgotangco: only the strongest of us will survive and will be a better human race..:(
[07:59] <\sh> and I hope working on FOSS will make me strong ,-)
[07:59] <\sh> it's so depressing :(
[08:03] <hub> is gcj complete in Breezy?
[08:04] <\sh> should be...
[08:04] <\sh> gcj == gnu java compiler?
[08:07] <hub> yeap
[08:07] <hub> now this time it accept to install it
[08:07] <hub> weird
[08:36] <ajmitch> hm
[08:36] <ajmitch> sound-juicer just isn't wanting to start, blocking on a connect() call to the fam socket..
[08:36] <ajmitch> not healthy
[08:37] <ajmitch> probably due to the dist-upgrade
[08:38] <dholbach> good morning
[08:39] <ajmitch> morning dholbach!
[08:39] <dholbach> morning andrew
[08:43] <hub> hey dholbach
[08:43] <dholbach> hey hub, just answered your mail :)
[08:45] <hub> dholbach: I have sort of a package working for gimpshop
[08:45] <hub> time to go to bed
[08:45] <hub> talk to you later
[08:45] <dholbach> night hub :)
[09:01] <ajmitch> ah, \sh..
[09:01] <ajmitch> Unpacking libofx2 (from .../libofx2_1%3a0.8.0-3ubuntu6_i386.deb) ...
[09:01] <ajmitch> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libofx2_1%3a0.8.0-3ubuntu6_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/libofx/dtd/opensp.dcl', which is also in package libofx1c2
[09:01] <ajmitch> no surprise there :P
[09:07] <\sh> ajmitch: bah
[09:07] <\sh> Package: libofx-dev
[09:07] <\sh> Replaces: libofx1, libofx1c2, libofx2 (<< 0.8.0-3ubuntu4)
[09:07] <ajmitch> that's great
[09:08] <ajmitch> but the Replaces: needs to be on libofx2 as well
[09:08] <\sh> fck
[09:08] <Treenaks> \o/ settings.sh (gconftool-2 script with most of my Gnome settings)
[09:08] <Treenaks> Now even SuSE is usable
[09:08] <\sh> ajmitch: << 0.8.0-3ubuntu6 is correct *gnarf* now I have to upload one with 0.8.0-3ubuntu7 :(
[09:09] <ajmitch> heh :)
[09:09] <ajmitch> I think I need to logout or something
[09:09] <ajmitch> panel just crashed & everything is going buts
[09:09] <ajmitch> s/buts/nuts/
[09:09] <\sh> uploaded
[09:10] <ajmitch> thanks
[09:19] <sivang> morning all
[09:22] <sivang> morning MOTUs
[09:22] <dholbach> morning sivan
[09:23] <\sh> hey dholbach
[09:24] <dholbach> hey stephan
[09:24] <\sh> all the good guys are leaving my team
[09:36] <sivang> \sh: join the club :-)
[09:37] <sivang> hack, who were those good guys on my team ? ;-)
[09:37] <\sh> sivang: well...for our company that's quite  clear that some people are leaving...
[09:38] <\sh> but it's really sad, cause we are a good team, have a lot of fun, and doing our work perfectly...:(
[09:38] <sivang> \sh: more people out of the team that ogra was ?
[09:38] <sivang> (and you are )
[09:38] <\sh> sivang: same company different team yes
[09:38] <sivang> \sh: I see
[09:38] <\sh> sivang: ogra was engineering, I'm operations
[09:40] <sivang> ogra: I see, well, I hope new ones will come that will be just as good as the previous were
[09:42] <\sh> sivang: actually, you can't replace a guy, which was working 4 years now for this team...the loss of knowledge is really a huge impact
[09:43] <sivang> \sh: k, I've seen this. anyway, I'm out see you all later
[09:43] <\sh> cu sivang hf :)
[09:44] <sivang> hf ?
[09:44] <sivang> :)
[09:45] <\sh> have fun ;)I
[09:46] <\sh> trying to fix kwin-baghira btw
[10:25] <dholbach> i'd like to make a note regarding desktop files: if you add new ones, could you please file your patch as a bug in the upstream bug tracker (or mail the maintainers) that'd be really nice and would reduce the merging efforts each and everytime
[10:43] <sivang> ah it's good to be back
[10:45] <ajmitch> wb sivang ;)
[10:45] <ajmitch> \sh: what was wrong with kwin-baghira?
[10:46] <ajmitch> it was showing up just fine for me :P
[10:47] <\sh> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1399
[10:47] <ajmitch> \sh: yes, I saw that
[10:48] <ajmitch> ok, I think I see now..
[10:48] <\sh> ajmitch: do u have this baghira-style stuff? in kde/styles?
[10:49] <ajmitch> let me start kcontrol..
[10:49] <ajmitch> it takes awhile :P
[10:49] <ajmitch> no, I see the issue now
[10:50] <ajmitch> I should never be allowed to use malone after 9pm :P
[10:50] <\sh> I'll test 0.7 package now
[10:51] <\sh> works
[10:51] <ajmitch> does a recompile of the current package work?
[10:51] <\sh> no
[10:51] <\sh> i think 0.6 is to old for 3.4
[10:52] <ajmitch> yay for broken kde stuff ;)
[10:52] <\sh> ajmitch: I'll request a sync by elmo
[10:52] <\sh> it will be not the last today....
[10:53] <ajmitch> heh
[10:53] <ajmitch> I've probably got a few to sync as well
[10:53] <Tonio-> hi everyone, having a little question....
[10:53] <Tonio-> wy insn't ubuntu able to configure dma automatcally during the installation ?
[10:54] <ajmitch> it does
[10:54] <ajmitch> just not for all hardware
[10:54] <Treenaks> not for _any_ CD or DVD drives
[10:54] <Treenaks> afaik
[10:54] <JakubS_> hello
[10:54] <Tonio-> well I installed it on about 5 computers and it never worked....
[10:54] <Treenaks> Tonio-: on disks it should work
[10:54] <ajmitch> Treenaks: depends if ide-generic is loaded before the chipset driver
[10:54] <JakubS_> is it possible to generate one more package from kdenetwork .orig.tar.gz? i would like to package kio_zeroconf that is disabled from compilation by default
[10:54] <Tonio-> yep I was talking about cd/dvd, sorry ^^
[10:55] <Treenaks> ajmitch: yes, but on 5 different machines it's bound to work correctly on at least one...
[10:55] <ajmitch> JakubS_: only if you talk really nicely to \sh & riddell, since it's in main
[10:55] <ajmitch> Treenaks: not for cd/dvd ;)
[10:55] <JakubS_> ajmitch: this was already discussed and rejected
[10:56] <\sh> JakubS_: please join #kubuntu-devel ... I think we don't have zeroconf support right now
[10:56] <ajmitch> JakubS_: ok, so why are you asking us?
[10:56] <ajmitch> \sh: JakubS_ has been working on it with avahi
[10:56] <JakubS_> ajmitch: because i want to use existing kdenetwork.orig.tar.gz and create new package for universe using it
[10:56] <ajmitch> ugh
[10:56] <JakubS_> i don't want to put anything new in main
[10:57] <JakubS_> \sh: package is generally done, slomo and Lathiat were testing it
[10:57] <JakubS_> (for kdnssd-avahi that is, not kio_zeroconf)
[10:58] <\sh> JakubS_: what's possible (not for breezy) that you can generate a kio_zeroconf package and let this hit the universe out of the main source of kdenetwork...but this is really too close to release...so no go actually
[10:59] <JakubS_> i see, too bad
[10:59] <\sh> JakubS_: I mean, I think riddell will do this, but mdz or kamion will reject the wish
[10:59] <JakubS_> i thought that feature freeze is only  for main and universe can be modified anytime
[11:00] <\sh> JakubS_: but the source is in main :)
[11:00] <\sh> JakubS_: and it is a change on something which is in main...even if the package lands in universe
[11:00] <\sh> JakubS_: the binary package
[11:01] <JakubS_> for 1) true 2) not exactly, it only adds new kio slave without changing anything existing
[11:01] <JakubS_> just like for example kio_locate
[11:03] <\sh> JakubS_: which is 1) a new feature 2) it changes debian/control in a main package and 3) it has to be tested if it works... so it's a more intrusive change, than a small one like a typo in a manpage...actually, it can't be sooo important, that it can't wait after the 13th
[11:03] <\sh> add 2) not only debian/control ;) it has to change as well elmos overrides etc.
[11:04] <JakubS_> hoary done well without zeroconf so i guess breezy also can do :-)
[11:05] <\sh> JakubS_: please don't understand me wrong..if it would be earlier in the release cycle, i think those things are possible (we did it with amarok) but right now less then 3 days to release... I don't think that kde will invent something new just before a release ;)
[11:06] <JakubS_> i understand, i was prevented from implementing few things by kde feature freeze too
[11:06] <\sh> JakubS_: and there is a possibilty that dapper packages with all new features are backported to breezy :)
[11:15] <ajmitch> evening talios
[11:15] <ajmitch> what's the bug number?
[11:15] <talios> 'lo ajmitch
[11:15] <talios> 2930
[11:15] <ajmitch> you're not likely to see bddebian at this hour
[11:15] <ajmitch> been awhile since I've seen you round :)
[11:16] <talios> I've been here - just lurking on other channels alot.
[11:16] <talios> finally got rid of all my fedora boxes :)
[11:16] <talios> well, ish.  my server box at the office is centos.
[11:16] <ajmitch> fun
[11:18] <ajmitch> I wonder where we got squeak-vm from?
[11:19] <ajmitch> hm, it's multiverse
[11:19] <talios> ajmitch, did you ever see the NZHerald article on Ubuntu?  I read off the shit on NZLUG about it from MrYoper - but never saw the actual article
[11:19] <ajmitch> no, I never saw the article
[11:20] <ajmitch> I did see the heat on nzlug about it ;)
[11:21] <ajmitch> right, squeak-vm is grabbed from linex
[11:21] <ajmitch> " This package contains just the Squeak virtual machine.  If you are
[11:21] <ajmitch>  new to Squeak then you will have to install the squeak-image and
[11:21] <ajmitch>  squeak-sources packages too before you can run Squeak.
[11:21] <ajmitch> "
[11:22] <talios> ahh squeak-image package?
[11:22] <ajmitch> not in ubuntu
[11:22] <talios> didn't think I'd seen any 3rd package
[11:22] <talios> theres the -vm and -sources
[11:23] <ajmitch> not sure where to grab squeak-images from
[11:24] <talios> I have an image I grabbed from the squeak.org distro, but thats not really solving any package based problem - only my immediate.
[11:24] <ajmitch> ok
[11:26] <ajmitch> so what are you mainly missing?
[11:27] <talios> basically the ability to create a clean, fresh image file.  given that I can download it from the squeak website its not sooo much of an issue, but theres a manpage existing for inisqueak that says "ill create your clean image", but no script.
[11:28] <talios> so anyone whoses wanting to apt-get a squeak system can't just jump in and play
[11:28] <ajmitch> ok, I see an inisqueak.in
[11:28] <ajmitch> in the source
[11:28] <ajmitch> so it should get built
[11:31] <talios> is it (and the .image files in /usr/share/xxx ) just not included in some file list to package or something?
[11:31] <ajmitch> or the packaging just needs stripped down & redone..
[11:32] <ajmitch> since I'd need to take a bit of a look to make sure it's doing the right things
[11:36] <Lathiat> gah have to rebuild pbuilder again
[11:36] <Lathiat> i keep forgetting to save it when i reformat
[11:37] <ajmitch> heh
[11:37] <ajmitch> why reformat?
[11:37] <Lathiat> testing out the install, clean up the system, in this case i was installing kubuntu
[11:37] <Lathiat> doubling for a)
[11:38] <talios> vmware++
[11:38] <ajmitch> you couldn't just install into a spare partition or LVM space? :)
[11:38] <talios> or xen.
[11:38] <Lathiat> i dont have the luxury of spare space :)
[11:38] <ajmitch> or backup the drive before installing? :)
[11:38] <Lathiat> i keep /home
[11:38] <ajmitch> sure you do
[11:38] <Lathiat> just i forge tlittle things
[11:38] <Lathiat> like pbuilder
[11:38] <talios> Lathiat, ajmitch will buy you a spare machine :)
[11:38] <Lathiat> nothing of consequence
[11:38] <Lathiat> but annoying :)
[11:38] <ajmitch> *choke*
[11:38] <Lathiat> and xen doesnt play so well on laptops
[11:38] <Lathiat> and vmware isnt a true representation fo if the installer is workign on my hardware
[11:39] <ajmitch> talios: I might buy him a beer, but not a new machine ;)
[11:39] <Lathiat> :)
[11:39] <ajmitch> talios: you coming to LCA as well?
[11:39] <Lathiat> new minor upstream versions
[11:39] <talios> linuxconf?  thinking of...
[11:39] <ajmitch> yeah, linux conf australia
[11:39] <talios> in new zealand ;p
[11:39] <Lathiat> ajmitch: now now you buy beer for a minor would you? ;p
[11:39] <Lathiat> nz is just a state of australia
[11:39] <Lathiat> ;p
[11:40] <Lathiat> s/you/you wouldnt
[11:40] <ajmitch> Lathiat: by the time you're over here you won't be a minor :)
[11:40] <Lathiat> indeed
[11:41] <Lathiat> so
[11:41] <Lathiat> registratiosn open today
[11:41] <Lathiat> but i still dont see a programme
[11:41] <Lathiat> and i know 2 people who havent been ACKd or NACKd on their papers
[11:41] <Lathiat> and they havent got back to me about travel assistance
[11:41] <Lathiat> hrm :\
[11:42] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:42] <Lathiat> not to mention we're 3 weeks overdue of this point already
[11:42] <ajmitch> they seem a bit disorganised at times..
[11:42] <ajmitch> conference is only about 15 weeks away
[11:42] <Lathiat> s/at times/in general
[11:42] <ajmitch> so 3 weeks slippage is bad
[11:42] <Lathiat> ohw ell
[11:42] <Lathiat> we'll see
[11:42] <bob2> Lathiat: yeah, I was worried about that
[11:42] <bob2> since I'd nominally like to go
[11:42] <Lathiat> i helped organize 03, i know it can be a bit
[11:43] <Lathiat> but its starting to get a bit worrying :\
[11:43] <Lathiat> s/bit/bitch
[11:44] <ajmitch> Lathiat: we might have to pass the hat around the MOTUs ;)
[11:44] <Lathiat> heh
[11:45] <slomo_> hi everybody
[11:45] <Lathiat> yoyo slomo
[11:45] <ajmitch> hey slomo
[11:46] <bob2> is it set at the annual Auckland get drunk and bush your best mate's face in festival?
[11:46] <Lathiat> what, australia day?
[11:46] <talios> bob2, that sounds like the hardcore punk show I was at a few months back
[11:46] <talios> got a fist to the chin, and almost got a boot to head ;(
[11:47] <talios> damn hardcore freaks
[11:47] <Lathiat> haha
[11:47] <bob2> pity they weren't straightedge
[11:47] <talios> roundhouse kicks != dancing
[11:47] <Lathiat> hahaha
[11:47] <bob2> then they'd have preached instead of kicking.  or something.
[11:48] <talios> either that or they'd be all emo and cry
[11:48] <talios> but in a manly way
[11:52] <slomo> haha... i hope we get xchat 2.6 for dapper :) finally some usability improvements... http://forum.xchat.org/viewtopic.php?t=1753
[11:54] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: massive floods?
[11:54] <jsgotangco> 40 edits in less than an hour?
[11:54] <ajmitch> not many
[11:55] <ajmitch> I've got > 10K unread edits in my wiki folder ;)
[11:55] <jsgotangco> that's collective
[11:55] <ajmitch> 70MB just of wiki edits..
[11:55] <jsgotangco> they've been busy updating the links because theyre unveiling a new site
[12:13] <ajmitch> night all
[12:14] <talios> Night
[12:14] <dholbach> good night ajmitch
[12:18] <bob2> adios ajmitch
[12:22] <\sh> cu ajmitch
[12:22] <janimo> any revu admin here?
[12:22] <janimo> markuman, ping
[12:23] <janimo> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=745
[12:23] <janimo> I cannot access the changes files
[12:24] <slomo> that's normal... don't worry
[12:24] <janimo> I want to sign and upload that package
[12:25] <janimo> I suppose I need tha changes file
[12:25] <dholbach> debuild -S -sa -kjani@crazy.place.net should work too
[12:25] <janimo> dholbach, was just going to ask you thanks :)
[12:25] <dholbach> :)
[12:26] <janimo> my fist sponsorship
[12:28] <janimo> dholbach, so did that and just dput tha changes as with my packages?
[12:29] <dholbach> yeah
[12:29] <dholbach> just debuild -S -sa -k<mailadress> and dput ubuntu bla*changes
[12:30] <slomo> janimo: you have upload rights now? great :) congrats :)
[12:35] <bob2> janimo: remove commented out dh_ calls in the debian/rules
[12:35] <bob2> janimo: does xfce4-taskmanager really have no command line options?
[12:36] <bob2> janimo: shouldnt the descriptions say xfce4? (I dunno if there's a standard for that sort of thing)

[12:40] <pef> hello
[12:43] <janimo> bob2, sorry I was away
[12:44] <janimo> slomo, I had upload rights before hoary, but I was a very bad andlazy motu during the breezy cycle
[12:45] <janimo> bob2, well if the package name contains xfce4 I think it's ok
[12:45] <slomo> janimo: oh... sorry... i didn't know that
[12:45] <janimo> slomo, np :)
[12:45] <janimo> I hope to be more busy from now on
[12:46] <janimo> s/more busy/busier/
[01:26] <Tifa> ies
[01:26] <Tifa> mav
[02:20] <dholbach> bbl
[03:01] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:14] <\sh> re bddebian
[03:16] <bddebian> Heya \sh
[03:32] <sivang> yo bddebian
[03:33] <bddebian> Heya sivang
[03:54] <bmonty> hi everyone
[03:54] <bddebian> Heya bmonty
[03:56] <bmonty> mmm...I love this coffee :)
[03:58] <bmonty> damn, I was trying to get LDAP+Kerberos login going on my laptop, and now PAM is all messed up...I can't even use sudo anymore :(
[03:59] <bddebian> Eeks
[03:59] <bmonty> the crappy thing is that I moved all of the old PAM config files back and it stil doesn't work
[04:15] <bmonty> \sh: I marked the xemacs packages as fixed in the FTBFS lists
[04:16] <\sh> bmonty: thx...I will remove all the stuff I fixed...I'm just waiting for all the syncs I requested :(
[04:17] <bmonty> \sh: I think we should only update the front page, updating all of the lists for all the arches is a huge pain
[04:17] <\sh> bmonty: yeah...
[04:23] <bmonty> a java package should be using gcj and not jikes, correct?
[04:34] <bmonty> quit slacking!
[04:34] <bddebian> Yeah :-(
[04:35] <Lathiat> THERE IS NO ESCAPEEE
[04:35] <bddebian> Sheesh.. Rough crowd :-)
[04:36] <bddebian> I need to fix 3 more bugs... :-)
[04:36] <bmonty> trying to build classpath from debian and it needs a newer version of gjdoc than ubuntu has :(
[04:36] <bmonty> such a PITA to test...
[04:36] <bddebian> Like lyx :-)
[04:37] <bmonty> now I have to decide if I want to make my own apt repository to test a build or find something else
[04:38] <chillywilly> everyone should have their own repo ;)
[04:39] <bddebian> Heya chillywilly, how ya doing?
[04:41] <chillywilly> ok, I guess
[04:42] <bmonty> chillywilly: yeah, except now I have to waste time setting up apache on my server :(
[04:44] <azeem> bmonty: you can do a deb file:/// repo, it's dead easy
[04:44] <azeem> deb file:///home/mbanck/build/upload/todo/ ./
[04:45] <bmonty> azeem: you can't point a pbuilder at that afaik
[04:45] <azeem> pfft
[04:45] <azeem> well, works with sbuild and apt-get-offline
[04:46] <bddebian> wb tritium ;-)
[04:49] <tritium> good morning, bddebian
[04:54] <tritium> take it easy, bddebian
[04:55] <bddebian> :-)
[05:03] <bmonty> anyone know if there is a howto so that I can just dput files to my archive server?
[05:06] <bddebian> There is a LocalAptGet wiki page
[05:07] <bmonty> yeah, but that one means I dput to a local directory and then I have to rsync the package to the server
[05:07] <bmonty> I want to dput directly to my server
[05:08] <azeem> mini-dinstall used to do that, dunno if that is still working/maintained
[05:11] <sistpoty> hi folks
[05:43] <\sh> ogra: ping...keyboard works :)
[05:43] <ogra> sure...
[05:44] <ogra> its only usb :)
[05:44] <\sh> well...now I need a sun keyboard layout file for x86 xorg ;)
[05:44] <\sh> de style
[05:46] <ogra> \sh, there should be one
[05:47] <\sh> hmmm..
[05:47] <\sh> don't find one
[05:47] <ogra> /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/sun_vndr/usb
[05:47] <ogra> /etc/X11/xkb/keymap/sun_vndr/de
[05:47] <ogra> /etc/X11/xkb/rules/sun
[05:48] <\sh> hmmmm
[05:48] <\sh> doesn't show up in gnome keyboard switch
[05:49] <ogra> i think its rather a X issue
[05:49] <\sh> hmmm...
[05:49] <\sh> let me try a reconfigure
[05:49] <\sh> brb
[06:02] <dholbach_> re
[06:47] <cyberixae> gnunet 0.7-family package is now in Debian. So it didn't get to breezy, but maybe it will get to backports and Dapper.
[06:48] <TMM> cyberixae, what's a gnunet?
[06:49] <cyberixae> http://gnunet.org/
[06:49] <TMM> I sort of could have expected that ;)
[06:50] <TMM> cool
[06:50] <TMM> is this like freenet? or is it less anal than that? security wise?
[06:50] <spayne> dholbach: yo, how's it going?
[06:51] <dholbach> ok :)
[06:51] <dholbach> how about you?
[06:51] <spayne> dholbach: still happy that i got a package into Breezy :)
[06:51] <cyberixae> TMM: Could you be more specific?
[06:51] <spayne> dholbach: dreading tomorrow though
[06:51] <dholbach> cool :)
[06:52] <TMM> cyberixae, freenet is totally paranoid about privacy, to the point where it is hard to use
[06:52] <TMM> cyberixae, no search for one
[06:52] <cyberixae> "no search for one"?
[06:53] <TMM> you can't search freenet
[06:53] <TMM> and it uses anonymous encrypted data stores
[06:53] <spayne> dholbach: are there any major stoppers for Breezy?
[06:54] <cyberixae> TMM: Well gnunet has search
[06:54] <TMM> basically freenet nodes that just donate an X amount of harddisk space and stuff just gets on there
[06:54] <TMM> you don't know what you have on your drives, and neither can you find out
[06:54] <cyberixae> TMM: GNUnet does that too, unless you turn it off.
[06:54] <TMM> it seems that gnunet does something similar though
[06:54] <dholbach> spayne: it's enough to do still
[06:54] <spayne> dholbach: is there anything simple i can help out with?
[06:55] <TMM> I wonder how they managed to get searches working and keep it anonymous
[06:55] <dholbach> spayne: ask around in the channel, maybe some ftbfs stuff
[06:55] <dholbach> sorry, i'm quite busy atm
[06:55] <hub> dholbach: I think that for gscore, going without abcp is fine
[06:55] <spayne> i can imagine
[06:55] <hub> dholbach: I talked to the upstream maintainer of gscore
[06:55] <dholbach> abcp?
[06:55] <dholbach> ah ok
[06:55] <dholbach> i remember
[06:55] <dholbach> ok, super
[06:56] <cyberixae> TMM: search queries are hashed so they are not plain text and they are forwarded so no-one knows the initator.
[06:56] <cyberixae> TMM: (If I may simplify)
[06:56] <TMM> you'd have to send it back at some point though, right?
[06:57] <cyberixae> TMM: It takes the same path back
[06:57] <cyberixae> TMM: Every node on the way remembers who to return the answer to
[06:57] <TMM> ah, so only the first node you send it to will know, and he won't know if the next will be forwarding it again
[06:58] <TMM> so the node doesn't know for *sure* that it was intended for you
[06:58] <TMM> right?
[06:58] <cyberixae> Yep, but the first node doesn't know either, if it is originally to you
[06:58] <cyberixae> or to someone your going to forward it to.
[06:58] <TMM> yeah, I meant that
[06:59] <TMM> it looks a lot cleverer than freenet to me
[06:59] <TMM> from what I can make out of the faq anyway
[06:59] <cyberixae> TMM: I think freenet does something like that too
[07:00] <TMM> although I wonder if it'll scale as bad as freenet as well :)
[07:00] <bddebian> mmm Cheesesteak
[07:00] <TMM> freenet didn't use to be able to do searches, perhaps it does now
[07:00] <cyberixae> TMM: You can read the paper for GNUnet anonymous routing, if you want... http://gnunet.org/download/aff.ps
[07:01] <TMM> cyberixae, cool
[07:01] <cyberixae> TMM: Or the encoding paper... http://gnunet.org/download/ecrs.ps
[07:02] <TMM> cyberixae, are you involved with gnunet or something? :)
[07:02] <cyberixae> It is the most interresting one in my opinion.
[07:02] <cyberixae> TMM: A bit
[07:03] <\sh> ogra: keine keymap...also de und xorg pc105 laeuft soweit, halt ohne die sondertasten
[07:03] <ogra> \sh, then we'll fix the missing bit :)
[07:03] <cyberixae> TMM: Translated web into Finnish, collected publicdomain svg flag images from Internet for use in future guis and reported some bugs/feature requests.
[07:03] <TMM> cyberixae, openclipart has all the flags right there :)
[07:04] <cyberixae> TMM: Almost
[07:04] <cyberixae> TMM: Most of them are from there
[07:04] <TMM> cyberixae, aren't they all there?
[07:04] <cyberixae> TMM: I named them after country codes so they are easy to use
[07:04] <TMM> cyberixae, that's a pretty good idea :)
[07:04] <cyberixae> TMM: They were missing some, which I found at Sodipodi clipart
[07:05] <cyberixae> TMM: Thumbnails were one of my feature requests that got implemented.
[07:05] <cyberixae> TMM: See http://gnunet.org/gnunetgtk.php3
[07:06] <TMM> looks pretty
[07:06] <cyberixae> TMM: The flags pictures are in SVN at https://gnunet.org/svn/gnunet-gtk/contrib/flags/
[07:07] <TMM> but, personally, I think that thumbnails in a P2P aren't such a good idea
[07:08] <cyberixae> TMM: They can be turned off
[07:08] <TMM> due to a) security and b) pr0n
[07:08] <cyberixae> Why?
[07:08] <TMM> it wouldn't be a GNU app if it couldn't be turned off
[07:08] <\sh> ogra: sure :)
[07:08] <cyberixae> TMM: From the config file
[07:08] <\sh> and now I wonder, why planet used my rss feed to spam again
[07:08] <cyberixae> TMM: Not the code
[07:08] <cyberixae> :-)
[07:09] <TMM> well, its rather a lot easier to distribute a jpeg exploit if the clients starts loading arbitrary data from unknown sources
[07:10] <cyberixae> TMM: Well the issue is still not even close to a browser and people use a browser everyday.
[07:11] <hub> for Build-Depend, shall I be minimal or put everything that the configure check ?
[07:12] <hub> like eg if I depend on libgtk-dev, shall I depend on libglib-dev?
[07:15] <TMM> cyberixae, that is also true, but peer to peer is a bit more of a jungle than the web even
[07:16] <cyberixae> TMM: Well. If I were an attacker I'd definitely use Web to attack people
[07:16] <cyberixae> TMM: Not p2p
[07:16] <TMM> cyberixae, well, it's not a big problem :)
[07:17] <TMM> cyberixae, just a thought :)
[07:17] <cyberixae> TMM: Yep.
[07:18] <cyberixae> TMM: Finding shock stuff when searching for something else is also a common problem.
[07:18] <cyberixae> TMM: Not actually a p2p problem or a problem that should be fought by not having thumbnails.
[07:18] <cyberixae> :-/
[07:19] <TMM> there's nothing you can do about it, especially on a network like gnunet
[07:19] <cyberixae> TMM: Yes there are
[07:19] <TMM> how so? people can just insert content under whatever keyword they want, no?
[07:19] <cyberixae> TMM: People can search only namespace that are known to be safe.
[07:20] <TMM> cyberixae, hey, got a dsc and an orig.tar.gz for the client and the server? I'd like to try it for a bit
[07:20] <cyberixae> TMM: Global namespace is the jungle.
[07:20] <cyberixae> TMM: I'm using Ubuntu, which doesn't have a 0.7-family deb yet so I compiled the SVN
[07:21] <TMM> I'll look into it myself then
[07:23] <cyberixae> If you want the complete SVN (includes webpages, papers and some related and not related tools and libraries) you may command "svn checkout https://gnunet.org/svn/" in a directory where you want the stuff.
[07:37] <dholbach> who was andreas mussgiller again?
[07:37] <dholbach> he isnt whitelisted yet
[07:43] <\sh> dholbach: did u receive any sync from elmo today_
[07:43] <\sh> ?
[07:43] <\sh> i need to adjust again on bigger keyboards and I think always this sun is a US sun keyboard
[07:44] <dholbach> \sh: dunno i didnt read every bit of breezy-changes today
[07:44] <\sh> because if not, I will ask mdz or kamion to do the syncs...
[08:32] <\sh> bmonty: ping...
[08:32] <\sh> bmonty: classpath is not buildable?
[08:32] <bmonty> \sh: the package in ubuntu doesn't build for i386
[08:33] <\sh> bmonty: new package in debian eventually?
[08:33] <bmonty> \sh: the new package is in debian, but needs a newer version of gjdoc to build
[08:33] <bmonty> so I can't say if it builds or not
[08:34] <\sh> bmonty: hmmm...chroot and new gjdoc?
[08:34] <\sh> or is gjdoc in main?
[08:34] <bmonty> not sure where gjdoc is, but I need to get my archive back up and running so I can do that
[08:34] <bmonty> that is what I was working on before I had to go to work for awhile
[08:35] <bmonty> I think sync is probably the answer, but I want to test it first
[08:35] <\sh> bmonty: ok...if you need some help with that, please write an email...so i could test it tomorrow...I'm working now on the rest
[08:35] <bmonty> \sh: will do, thanks
[08:35] <\sh> bmonty: u r welcome :)
[08:37] <siretart> rbelem_: ping
[08:37] <\sh> moins siretart
[08:37] <Mez> lo all
[08:37] <Mez> !ping
[08:38] <\sh> g'evening Mez
[08:38] <siretart> huhu \sh!
[08:40] <Mez> evening
[08:40] <Mez> only one for a short while
[08:40] <Mez> transferring some money
[08:40] <\sh> Mez: what do I have to do to be an approved backports member?
[08:41] <Mez> erm, not much... but just show to me that you can test things backport properly etc
[08:41] <Mez> we can go over it at UBZ if you want?
[08:41] <\sh> Mez: sure...
[08:42] <Mez> seeing as I'm pretty busy till then anyways, and have no net access
[08:42] <Mez> but, it's pretty simple, just test they work when backported
[08:42] <Mez> use a pbuild :D
[08:43] <\sh> Mez: *lol*
[08:44] <Mez> then test it builds, if it doesnt, make it work in backported from and too... then rebuild
[08:44] <Mez> and then test
[08:44] <Mez> and then send to james
[08:45] <\sh> sure...that's clear
[08:46] <Mez> lol
[08:47] <Mez> :P
[08:47] <Mez> tis pretty easy
[08:47] <Mez> but meh - I dont doubt nyou can do it
[08:48] <\sh> I thought there are some special things to become a backports member ;)
[08:48] <Mez> nah, not in your case
[08:48] <Mez> normally, you'll have to prove packaging skills etc etc
[08:49] <Mez> normally, as long as someone is a semi-competent motu, we'll accept them, they just need to learn the backports ropes
[08:51] <\sh> Mez: ok..let's talk about it at ubz
[08:52] <Mez> np
[08:52] <\sh> Mez: btw...u should have a look on popcon.ubuntu.com for knowing what the users want
[08:52] <Mez> kool
[09:00] <\sh> it is..thx to dholbach
[09:06] <hub> I have to patch configure.ac for a package to build
[09:06] <hub> is that a problem to run automake?
[09:07] <bmonty> hub: I don't think so...I pretty sure I've seen packages that do that
[09:07] <bmonty> you have to build depend on automake
[09:07] <hub> yep I do already
[09:08] <sistpoty> hi folks
[09:08] <bmonty> hi sistpoty
[09:15] <dholbach> i'm out for a walk, bbl
[09:15] <hub> is there a "Section" music in the packages?
[09:16] <sistpoty> ' \sh: did you (or s.o. else) request sync for atlas3 yet?
[09:19] <\sh> sistpoty: no...
[09:19] <\sh> sistpoty: but I can do...
[09:19] <\sh> sistpoty: i'm collecting
[09:19] <sistpoty> that would be great ;)
[09:20] <\sh> give me the version number of debian and if it's ok to override some ubuntu changes_
[09:22] <sistpoty> ' \sh atlas3 (3.0.6-20), current ubuntu is also the debian -19, so ok to override
[09:22] <\sh> sistpoty: so no ubuntuX version_
[09:22] <\sh> ?
[09:22] <sistpoty> exactly
[09:22] <\sh> k
[09:22] <\sh> tested_
[09:22] <\sh> argl
[09:22] <\sh> I have a new keyboard :)
[09:22] <sistpoty> hehe
[09:23] <\sh> which is sun...and I think all the time it's a US
[09:23] <\sh> cause at office I'm using only US sun keyboards
[09:23] <\sh> well..this one is nice...just like the old cherries
[09:23] <sistpoty> the ctrl-key is really on a wrong location imo ;)
[09:24] <\sh> hmm...it's left from alt :)
[09:24] <\sh> but the left alt key is to small...but for that there is compose :)
[09:25] <sistpoty> hm... i think of ultrasparc3?-keyboards, where it's left from alt above some other key (afaik... haven't sitten in front of these for some time ;)
[09:26] <sistpoty> or even the keyboards we have at university, attached to the sun's... whatever ;)
[09:26] <\sh> sistpoty: well...I have now here a sun type 6 usb german keyboard :)
[09:26] <\sh> and I have to build a nice keymap with ogra
[09:26] <sistpoty> w00t
[09:28] <\sh> sistpoty: yeah...our company threw away new keyboards of this type...including a nice 3 button ball mouse :)
[09:29] <\sh> sistpoty: also usb
[09:29] <sistpoty> hehe
[09:34] <\sh> lets see if this patch fixes vflib3
[09:37] <\sh> strike...
[09:37] <\sh> thx andreas jochens ;)
[09:41] <siretart> hi sistpoty!
[09:41] <siretart> \sh: whay kind of sun keyboard? type 5 or type 6?
[09:41] <\sh> type 6 usb euro de
[09:42] <\sh> 320-1281
[09:42] <sistpoty> hi siretart
[09:42] <siretart> I don't like them either. we have these keyboard on all sunrays at uni
[09:42] <siretart> but I also have a type 5 at home. that one is feeling really good :)
[09:42] <\sh> hehe...and we're throwing them away..with boxes including mice ;)
[09:43] <siretart> baah
[09:43] <siretart> these plastic mice without wheel?
[09:44] <\sh> no...ball usb mice
[09:44] <\sh> only 3 buttons
[09:44] <\sh> no wheel
[09:48] <\sh> slomo: next main uploader ? ;)
[09:49] <sistpoty> *g*
[09:50] <slomo> \sh: maybe... i'll ask for that when more mono stuff gets to main for dapper ;)
[09:50] <\sh> haaha
 one thing I ask EVERY Ubuntu NMUers. If you put in you Universe a recompiled version, please change Maintainer field
 De:  R.A. Walker <raw@consultant.com>
 Para:  jsogo@debian.org
 Asunto:  Seahorse 0.7.9-4ubuntu1 bug
[10:04] <slomo> hmm
[10:04] <slomo> maybe we should consider this for dapper... somehow automated would be the best
[10:05] <\sh> slomo: we should discuss this at ubz...but I think it's already settled
[10:06] <Mez> hmm ... i thought you just changed the changelog
[10:06] <siretart> slomo: the problem is that you cannot suit everyone
[10:06] <siretart> slomo: if we change the maintainer field, then we will annoy the people wanting their deserved credit
[10:06] <siretart> slomo: if we leave the maintainer field, we annoy some Maintainers like Beowulf
[10:07] <sistpoty> iirc there were some posts on ubuntu-devel ml on this
[10:07] <\sh> we should remove it...and mention it in DEBIAN.OldMaintainer ;)
[10:07] <\sh> bah...I'm sarcastic
[10:07] <herzi> doko: ping
[10:07] <slomo> hmm
[10:08] <\sh> guys...fix universeftbfs.
[10:08] <siretart> \sh: my preference would be a Debian-Maintainer: field
[10:08] <\sh> siretart: it would a better solution then now
[10:08] <\sh> re ogra
[10:09] <herzi> hi ogra
[10:09] <sistpoty> iirc the conclusion from mdz was, that ubuntu cannot decide that on its own, but needs to come to an agreement with debian about it
[10:09] <sistpoty> hi ogra
[10:09] <bmonty> \sh: compiling classpath now
[10:09] <\sh> bmonty: rock :)
[10:09] <slomo> bmonty: you want to update classpath? or something else? ;)
[10:09] <ogra> heya
[10:10] <bmonty> slomo: testing to see if the latest debian version will build
[10:10] <slomo> bmonty: should build fine... but why do you want to update it?
[10:11] <bmonty> slomo: the current classpath package FTBFS
[10:11] <bmonty> in ubuntu that is
[10:11] <slomo> bmonty: ok... :)
[10:14] <\sh> hmmm...being under pressure I can work best somehow...strange
[10:14] <\sh> that means..weekend, more beer
[10:14] <bmonty> \sh: ok, the latest debian version of classpath builds
[10:15] <bmonty> we will have to sync gjdoc with classpath
[10:15] <\sh> bmonty: ok...version number, and if the sync is ok to override ubuntu patches
[10:15] <\sh> bmonty: no ways
[10:15] <\sh> gjdoc is main
[10:16] <bmonty> the latest classpath depends on a newer version of gjdoc than ubuntu has
[10:16] <\sh> bmonty: or try to ping doko and ask him if he's ok with it, and if mdz is approving this break from UVF, FF, and CloseToReleaseToBeAfraid
[10:17] <bmonty> \sh: I could try and remove the version requirement from the debian classpath package and see what happens
[10:18] <\sh> bmonty: good idea :)=
[10:18] <bmonty> I'm not sure I like doing that though...I think the debian maintainer probably had a reason for putting that requirement
[10:18] <\sh> bmonty: I'm doing it since a couple of uploads with libjack0.100.0-dev
[10:18] <\sh> downgrading to libjack0.80.0-dev
[10:18] <\sh> I don't like it eather
[10:18] <\sh> either even
[10:18] <\sh> bah
[10:21] <\sh> learn even
[10:22] <bmonty> how can I remove a package from my mini-dinstall archive?
[10:23] <\sh> bmonty: rm
[10:24] <\sh> and then run the Packages.gz creation again
[10:24] <bmonty> k, thanks
[10:28] <bmonty> building again....
[10:29] <ajmitch> morning all
[10:29] <bmonty> hi ajmitch
[10:29] <\sh> hey ajmitch
[10:30] <TheMagus_> hi all... anyone who's good at HAL stuff in here?
[10:34] <\sh> *yawn*
[10:38] <herzi> how do i specify the S?? number which is prepended to the runlevel symlinks of an init script when building a package?
[10:42] <bmonty> \sh: ok, classpath builds with the ubuntu gjdoc
[10:43] <\sh> bmonty: rocking :)
[10:44] <bmonty> \sh: sould I make a debdiff from the debian package?
[10:44] <\sh> bmonty: please..and make it somewhere available
[10:45] <\sh> bmonty: so I can upload for you
[10:45] <bmonty> ok, let me tidy up the changelog and I'll send you a link
[10:45] <\sh> bmonty: kewl
[10:49] <bmonty> \sh: http://www.montynet.org/ubuntu/debdiff/classpath_0.18-5ubuntu1.debdiff
[10:49] <\sh> bmonty: thx
[10:50] <\sh> bmonty: that's against new debian package, right?
[10:50] <bmonty> \sh: yes
[10:50] <\sh> bmonty: K
[10:50] <bmonty> also, there are no ubuntu changes on the current classpath package
[10:51] <\sh> bmonty: no prob...source upload
[10:55] <bmonty> gotta take the dog outside...be back in a few
[11:05] <\sh> -58mins until universe fix ;)
[11:05] <\sh> sorry -55mins until universe fix
[11:05] <dholbach> re
[11:05] <\sh> re dholbach
[11:07] <\sh> bah again..evolution crash
[11:07] <herzi> dholbach: hi
[11:07] <\sh> i'm too lazy now for a backtrace
[11:07] <herzi> \sh: just let bug-buddy do that for you
[11:08] <\sh> herzi: no..it's only a "not responding" no real crash...
[11:08] <herzi> \sh: do you try to move your sent mail to a non-existent imap account?
[11:08] <herzi> okay
[11:08] <\sh> herzi: but bug is already filed at upstream
[11:08] <herzi> then it's different from 'my crash'
[11:08] <Tonio-> hi all
[11:08] <herzi> dholbach: ping
[11:09] <dholbach> herzi: pong
[11:10] <doko> horzi: ?
[11:10] <Tonio-> dholbach: concerning your revu for wlassistant, I didn't change anything to the tarball, but it has aparently been modified whithout version change....
[11:10] <dholbach> ouch
[11:10] <dholbach> those upstream guys
[11:10] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[11:11] <Tonio-> and apparently the day i packaged, the tarball was a bit different depending on the sf download server.....
[11:11] <Tonio-> certainly an update propaging.....
[11:11] <dholbach> hey anrew
[11:11] <dholbach> andrew :)
[11:19] <\sh> headache..grmpf
[11:19] <dholbach> who synced seahorse?
[11:19] <\sh> sistopy?
[11:20] <\sh> Von: Stefan Potyra <daemon@poleboy.de>
[11:20] <\sh> Antwort an: 	ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[11:20] <\sh> An: 	breezy-changes@lists.ubuntu.com
[11:20] <ajmitch> dholbach: it broke?
[11:20] <dholbach> sistpoty: <seb128> <Beowulf> afaik the problem is that Ubuntu's gconf2 package does not include gconf-schemas script, making seahorse fail on install, and thus not showing encrypt and sign in contextual menus for files and folders
[11:20] <ajmitch> fun
[11:21] <ajmitch> sigh
[11:21] <dholbach> feels like a downgrade
[11:21] <ajmitch> when will libofx2 actually install?
[11:21] <\sh> ajmitch: I just uploaded a fixed version today
[11:22] <ajmitch> \sh: 1:0.8.0-3ubuntu7
[11:22] <ajmitch> ?
[11:22] <\sh> ajmitch: jups
[11:22] <ajmitch> it's broken
[11:22] <\sh> fck
[11:22] <ajmitch> you got the Replaces wrong again :P
[11:22] <\sh> ajmitch: you fix...I'm too tired
[11:23] <ajmitch> libofx2 should Replaces: libofx1x2
[11:23] <ajmitch> since that's where the file is
[11:23] <\sh> what?
[11:24] <ajmitch> which Unpacking libofx2 (from .../libofx2_1%3a0.8.0-3ubuntu7_i386.deb) ...
[11:24] <ajmitch> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libofx2_1%3a0.8.0-3ubuntu7_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/libofx/dtd/opensp.dcl', which is also in package libofx1c2
[11:24] <\sh> 13th appointment with asylum
[11:24] <ajmitch> same file in libofx1c2 & libofx2
[11:24] <\sh> I'm sure it's in Replaces
[11:24] <ajmitch> libofx2 has *no* replaces
[11:25] <ajmitch> only libofx-dev does
[11:25] <\sh> Oh well...I just discussed this with infinity
[11:25] <ajmitch> and what did he say?
[11:26] <\sh> I just asked him, if I have to set in both places a Replaces, and he said, actually this is what I understand, only in this package where the .la/.a file is replaced...so -dev
[11:26] <\sh> time to relacx
[11:26] <\sh> -c
[11:27] <sistpoty> re
[11:27] <\sh> re sistpoty
[11:27] <sistpoty> what about the issue with seahoarse?
[11:28] <ajmitch> \sh: the issue is that libofx2 has extra stuff, so the libs aren't parallel installable
[11:28] <dholbach> sistpoty: it uses a gconf functionality we dont have yet
[11:29] <\sh> ajmitch: so my first thought was correct to replaces both packages with the lib package
[11:29] <sistpoty> gna... didn't test it thoroughly enough... :(
[11:29] <ajmitch> no
[11:29] <ajmitch> well
[11:29] <ajmitch> yes
[11:29] <ajmitch> good luck talking to tb though
[11:30] <ajmitch> the comments in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=326989 say that yes, stuff should be moved into libofx-data
[11:30] <\sh> ajmitch: .la + .a belongs to -dev
[11:30] <ajmitch> yes
[11:30] <dholbach> sistpoty: we'll have to revert it
[11:31] <ajmitch> and /usr/share/libofx shouldn't be in libofx2 imho
[11:31] <\sh> ajmitch: and it's a policy violation what debian did...leaving it in libofx* [11:31] <dooglus> the contents of /var/lib/apt/lists keeps vanishing.  either there's a bug, or someone's hacked my box...  can do I tell which it is?
[11:31] <sistpoty> dholbach: ok... should i go for it, or will s.o. else take it?
[11:31] <ajmitch> uh, why would you think that's someone hacking your box? :)
[11:31] <dholbach> sistpoty: i'd appreciate it, if i didnt have to do it
[11:32] <sistpoty> dholbach: k, hopefully i have the old sources left ;)
[11:32] <dholbach> sistpoty: so anybody else will be fine for me
[11:32] <dooglus> ajmitch: 1) there's 12 hours missing from the logs in /var/log/auth.log; 2) all the files in /var/lib/apt/lists keep disappearing; 3 - I see some funny entries in auth.log from before the bit that was wiped
[11:32] <dholbach> sistpoty: archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu?
[11:32] <ajmitch> dooglus: fun
[11:33] <dholbach> we should have a #ubuntu-security
[11:33] <dholbach> :)
[11:33] <dooglus> hmmm
[11:33] <dholbach> the guys in there would have some shrewd ideas
[11:33] <\sh> ajmitch: ok...so should we fix it the "right" way?
[11:34] <dooglus> could somebody tell me the correct md5sum for /bin/bash please?
[11:34] <\sh> 2shermann@shermann-laptop:~/packages/breezy/digikamimageplugins/digikamimageplugins-0.7.2$ md5sum /bin/bash
[11:34] <\sh> f49e9dee8958b2460a695b1db308ebd9  /bin/bash
[11:34] <\sh> breezy that is
[11:34] <dooglus> thanks.  that's what my box tells me, too.
[11:34] <dooglus> it's just that 'tiger' told me it was wrong.
[11:35] <ajmitch> what is tiger?
[11:35] <dooglus> tiger is a security checking program
[11:35] <ajmitch> \sh: probably not the 'right' way :)
[11:36] <\sh> ajmitch: well..let's have this fixed in a straight way ;)
[11:36] <ajmitch> since the right way involves moving those shared files out of libofx2
[11:36] <\sh> ajmitch: do it ;)
[11:36] <ajmitch> I fear the wrath
[11:36] <dooglus> I believe it's in universe, but I can't check because my apt cache files won't stick around long enough... http://www.nongnu.org/tiger/
[11:37] <\sh> well...I just got blamed anyways...so write my name in it ;) dch -i >>\sh's too stupid upload<<
[11:37] <\sh> I#
[11:37] <\sh> I'll send an email to elmo now, with latest syncs...and that's it for today
[11:38] <ajmitch> ok, bye \sh :)
[11:38] <bmonty> \sh: thanks for uploading classpath
[11:39] <\sh> bmonty: u r welcome
[11:39] <\sh> who wanted to have atlas3 synced? slomo sistopy?
[11:39] <\sh> thx
[11:40] <dooglus> one last thing - is it normal to see "localhost su[26759] : + ??? root:chris" in /var/log/auth.log?  I think it means that root is su'ing to *my* account, which is strange.
[11:41] <\sh> ok..guys...going to bed
[11:42] <slomo> gn8 \sh :)
[11:42] <bmonty> bye \sh
[11:42] <dooglus> night \sh
[11:42] <sistpoty> gn8 \sh
[11:43] <slomo> someone should really make theora encoding faster... 2 fps is too slow on and athlon xp 2600+...
[11:43] <sistpoty> anyone with xprint knowledge here?
[11:43] <dooglus> it's annoying not knowing whether the box is hacked or not - it means I can't put it on the net or update it.
[11:43] <sistpoty> or general x/fonts knowledge?
[11:44] <sistpoty> http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/debdiffs/xprint_0.1.0.alpha1-11_to_0.1.0.alpha1-11ubuntu1.debdiff
[11:44] <bddebian> sistpoty: xprint-xorg is jacked :-)
[11:45] <sistpoty> bddebian: i fixed the compile issue
[11:45] <bmonty> is there a howto on making packages for kernel modules?
[11:45] <sistpoty> bddebian: but there are other issues (postinst wants some dir which still refers to /usr/X11...)
[11:45] <sistpoty> bddebian: and i have no plan about this :(