[03:01] <p> hi all!
[03:01] <p> im looking for MHZ, someoene have seen him?
[03:02] <crimsun> his client pinged out 1h 48m ago
[03:02] <p> o thxs
[03:12] <p> someone have the edubuntu logo on svg, or another vectorial format?
[03:22] <mhz_edu> re
[03:24] <p> hi edu!
[03:24] <p> hola mhx
[03:24] <p> mhz, sorry
[03:25] <p> soy Pablo
[04:39] <mhz_edu> jsgotangco, hi
[04:39] <jsgotangco> hi
[04:40] <mhz_edu> jsgotangco, we should write a book about IT solutions for Educational environments
[04:40] <jsgotangco> sounds fun
[04:40] <jsgotangco> you work in an educ institution right?
[04:40] <mhz_edu> IT Solutions = FLOSS solutions, of course
[04:41] <mhz_edu> jsgotangco, kind of. I work on a couple of projects aimed to aid educational processes by using ITC
[04:41] <jsgotangco> i can do some readings on a local setting
[04:41] <mhz_edu> jsgotangco, does not matter.
[04:41] <mhz_edu> hehe, that is cool
[04:41] <jsgotangco> but i'll be moving to a new job soonish so i might be busy for a while after the release
[04:42] <jsgotangco> but i'll still be online
[04:42] <mhz_edu> I think there are plenty of things to write about based on Edubuntu experiences since released
[04:42] <mhz_edu> where to?
[04:43] <jsgotangco> oh i'll be staying for a while in brisbane
[04:43] <mhz_edu> brisbane?
[04:43] <jsgotangco> australia
[04:44] <mhz_edu> jsgotangco, any special reason why http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook has kept /chapters format instead of /ChapterFormat ?
[04:44] <jsgotangco> errr because i made it so? I just did it and didn't consider CamelCase you want to edit it?
[04:45] <mhz_edu> 5 years ago I wanted to leave for Australia with my wife. My wife got pregnant and we changed our plans.
[04:45] <jsgotangco> australia is beautiful
[04:45] <mhz_edu> may I?
[04:45] <jsgotangco> mhz_edu, feel free
[04:46] <mhz_edu> I feel free but we're talking about potential official docs
[04:46] <jsgotangco> mhz_edu, we're the official edubuntu doc team atm
[04:46] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:46] <mhz_edu> and I dont want you to revert changes afterwards
[04:46] <mhz_edu> :)
[04:46] <jsgotangco> no i won't revert those i promise
[04:46] <mhz_edu> lol
[04:47] <mhz_edu> basically, will that affect your Moin2DocBook parser?
[04:48] <jsgotangco> well i can fix it again if something gets borked im sure there's not much changes, you're the MoinMaster, I'll ask your expertise when something borks
[04:48] <jsgotangco> =)
[04:49] <mhz_edu> australia/ a few night ago, the news said australia was opening their doors to Chilean people who wanted to work there (all positions and jobs), and the rate to get a job for inmigrants was about 20-40 days after arriving, if you had the language.
[04:49] <mhz_edu> australia/ is that so?
[04:50] <mhz_edu> jsgotangco, lol
[04:50] <mhz_edu> thanks for the MoinMaster.. never thought that way. I am just a face in the crowd
[04:51] <jsgotangco> mhz_edu, australia is a big place
[04:54] <mhz_edu> jsgotangco, docing/ so, exactly what kind of documentation do you need? Howtos based on Edubuntu? Edubuntu case of studies? Edubuntu T.O.C ? Edward Ubuntu, the pioneer of education based on Linux system?
[04:54] <mhz_edu> or is it editing the "cookbook"?
[04:54] <jsgotangco> mhz_edu, well the Cookbook is basically a manual for setting up Edubuntu
[04:55] <mhz_edu> yes
[04:55] <jsgotangco> it should have troubleshooting notes, etc.
[04:55] <jsgotangco> highvoltage is the one writing the troubleshooting notes
[04:55] <mhz_edu> eeek, hard work!
[04:55] <mhz_edu> no wonder he chose that nick
[04:55] <mhz_edu> :)
[04:56] <jsgotangco> the aim of the cookbook is to have people with no prior linux experience setup an Edubuntu learning environment
[04:57] <mhz_edu> I see. so the main work should be focused on the cookbook editing
[04:57] <jsgotangco> well ideally we'd love to do that, but it doesn't stop us from using content made by other people as long as it has the proper license
[04:57] <mhz_edu> and the goal is? (date-time-pages??)
[04:58] <jsgotangco> if people already wrote it, why should we re-write it? let's use the community when they are willing to help out
[04:58] <mhz_edu> LOL
[04:58] <jsgotangco> our job would be collecting and massaging that info
[04:59] <mhz_edu> and then we write a book based on those contents but we get the moeny! :D
[04:59] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:59] <jsgotangco> no
[04:59] <jsgotangco> depends on the license really
[04:59] <jsgotangco> if we make a book from scratch we have to do it separately
[05:03] <mhz_edu> okidoki
[05:03] <mhz_edu> roger that
[05:03] <mhz_edu> BTW,
[05:04] <mhz_edu> I managed to boot Edubuntu CD from HD, as I have this thin laptop with PCMCIA Cd drive.
[05:04] <mhz_edu> The thing is that to my surprise... it did not install edubuntu LTSP stuff!!
[05:05] <mhz_edu> even after it showed aptitude configuring all the stuff
[05:05] <mhz_edu> and the famous 50% of LTSP installing
[05:06] <mhz_edu> However, I do have a full /opt tree but no /etc/ltsp
[05:08] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[05:08] <jsgotangco> strange
[05:08] <mhz_edu> indeed.
[05:08] <mhz_edu> I even have the games and all
[05:12] <mhz_edu> jsgotangco, when will the /data dirs of the ubuntu wikis be merged?
[05:13] <jsgotangco> hmm i have no idea really
[05:13] <jsgotangco> henrik has a better idea on that i guess
[05:13] <jsgotangco> you were talking to him yesterday right?
[05:21] <jsgotangco> im just going to fix something first
[05:21] <jsgotangco> brb
[08:26] <JaneW> morning
[08:27] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: have i sent you version 2 yet?
[08:27] <highvoltage> mhz_zzZZ: the nick actually came from a linkin park song of the same name ;) - which basically describes me :)
[08:27] <highvoltage> JaneW: morning!
[08:28] <JaneW> hello highvoltage 
[08:38] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: nope
[09:55] <jsgotangco> JaneW, ping?
[10:02] <JaneW> jsgotangco: pong
[10:03] <jsgotangco> i've updated BreezyReleaseNotes and requires proofreading..please look on it when you're free
[10:08] <JaneW> jsgotangco: will do so in the next 10 mins (thanks)
[11:04] <JaneW> jsgotangco: to confirm you are talking about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseNotes
[11:04] <JaneW> not EdubuntuReleaseNOtes?
[11:04] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[11:04] <jsgotangco> i still haven't received a reply from your email on that =)
[11:11] <JaneW> jsgotangco: first point 'And every other software you can imagine available' would rather say something like *any* other
[11:12] <JaneW> jsgotangco: "configuration of Ubuntu 5.10 before reporting bugs" change to: Ubuntu 5.10, and before reporting bugs...
[11:13] <JaneW> jsgotangco: "Ubuntu is released regulary" spelling/typo of regularly
[11:13] <jsgotangco> JaneW, can you edit it?
[11:14] <JaneW> just relised that, sorry being thick!
[11:14] <JaneW> will do
[11:14] <JaneW> (although I SUCK at proof reading in the editor window)
[11:16] <jsgotangco> sorry im a bit tired at the moment i've been digging through that document for a few hours already
[11:16] <jsgotangco> i'd just love to parse it later
[11:16] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:16] <jsgotangco> and chnage the other stuff to edubuntu
[11:18] <JaneW> doing it, it;s not bad in the editor - no tables YAY! ;)
[11:21] <highvoltage> JaneW: any feedback from anyone that side on the DNS/apache setup?
[11:22] <JaneW> no :(
[11:22] <highvoltage> JaneW: I haven't received feedback from RT or elmo yet.
[11:22] <JaneW> I take it it wasn't done on friday then?
[11:22] <JaneW> they are both marked as away atm...
[11:25] <JaneW> jsgotangco: want your Known issue removed since RC is out and it says to remove before release??
[11:25] <JaneW> the LVM issue...
[11:26] <jsgotangco> JaneW, there should be some but devels haven't updated it at all, maybe you can use your whip?
[11:27] <JaneW> jsgotangco: The Ubuntu 5.10 installer will run and follow the on-screen instructions to start the installation.
[11:27] <JaneW> do you mean: The Ubuntu 5.10 installer will run. Follow the on-screen instructions to start the installation.
[11:27] <JaneW> ?
[11:28] <jsgotangco> ohhhh
[11:28] <JaneW> must I change it
[11:29] <jsgotangco> yes please
[11:29] <JaneW> the first way implies that the installer will follow the instructions automatically?
[11:29] <JaneW> np
[11:29] <jsgotangco> no
[11:29] <jsgotangco> the installer will run upon pressing enter
[11:29] <jsgotangco> and the user should follow the on-screen instructions
[11:32] <JaneW> ok
[11:33] <JaneW> jsgotangco: what's the funny character here? Table 1 Recommended Minimum Requirements
[11:33] <JaneW> can I remove it?
[11:36] <jsgotangco> funny?
[11:36] <jsgotangco> ahh
[11:36] <jsgotangco> Table 1 was an artifact from the original docbook source
[11:47] <JaneW> done
[11:48] <JaneW> ogra: ping
[11:51] <highvoltage> wow. seems like there's lots of interest on the k12-ltsp list for an ubuntu with ltsp.
[11:52] <JaneW> highvoltage: link please
[11:52] <JaneW> jsgotangco: ok hopefully that's all
[11:53] <highvoltage> JaneW: link to the list: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn
[11:53] <JaneW> ta
[11:54] <highvoltage> JaneW: you can browse the archives there too (although it's a bit sucky): https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-October/thread.html
[12:10] <jsgotangco> JaneW, thanks, maybe you can crack the whip on devs to actually look into the document and add "known issues" and whatever needs to be done we're just 2 days from release we really need this
[12:10] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I tired earlier, didn't get a response will try again now...
[12:10] <jsgotangco> if we don't get known issues, we'll delete the part and have them suffer bugzilla
[12:12] <JaneW> nod
[12:12] <JaneW> please tell me about Moodle?
[12:13] <JaneW> the latest is that it is NOT part of Edubuntu default install
[12:13] <jsgotangco> once upon a time there was a moodle...
[12:13] <jsgotangco> eh?
[12:13] <JaneW> but can be downloaded from universe right?
[12:13] <jsgotangco> JaneW, that's why we need those stuff from the email...
[12:13] <ajmitch_> JaneW: yes :(
[12:13] <jsgotangco> if its in universe, it shouldn't be in any of our notes
[12:14] <ajmitch_> entirely my fault
[12:14] <JaneW> I am trying to answer an e-mail...
[12:14] <JaneW> ajmitch_: ?
[12:14] <ajmitch_> JaneW: since I volunteered to try & get moodle's packaging rewritten to try & get it qualified for main
[12:14] <JaneW>  Moodle  MainInclusionReportMoodle   Needs work (wwwconfig-common)
[12:15] <ajmitch_> yeah
[12:15] <JaneW> oic, pity
[12:15] <ajmitch_> I was trying to remove the wwwconfig-common dependency
[12:15] <jsgotangco> at least we have schooltool (do we?)
[12:15] <ajmitch_> database creation & user creation
[12:15] <ajmitch_> yes, schooltool is in
[12:16] <ajmitch_> JaneW: I fear that I will owe ogra a few beers for moodle
[12:16] <JaneW> :/
[12:16] <JaneW> he needs them...
[12:16] <ajmitch_> we can pour them into him at UBZ
[12:20] <JaneW> heh
[12:25] <JaneW> if orga come in please ask about the edubuntu RC and if we are anywhere near having one...
[12:25] <jsgotangco> ill be out as well but will be back in time for the CC meeting
[12:29] <jsgotangco> CC 14UTC
[12:29] <jsgotangco> ajmitch_, fridge it!
[12:29] <ajmitch_> 3am my time
[12:29] <ajmitch_> I think I'll skip that
[12:29] <ajmitch_> I want to be slightly coherent at work in the morning
[12:29] <jsgotangco> it'll be fun the forums complaint came up again
[12:29] <jsgotangco> hehe
[12:30] <ajmitch_> yay
[12:30] <ajmitch_> definitely not worth me turning up then :)
[12:30] <jsgotangco> hehe
[12:30] <ajmitch_> edubuntu meeting the day after?
[12:30] <ajmitch_> also at a nasty hour? :)
[12:32] <jsgotangco> 42u-buntu?
[12:33] <ajmitch_> ?
[12:33] <ajmitch_> forgive me, my brain has already switched off for the night
[12:33] <jsgotangco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DraftBreezyAnnouncement
[12:34] <ajmitch_> hm, I thought it was going to be '2u-buntu'
[12:36] <jsgotangco> im gonna rest  a bit
[12:36] <jsgotangco> brb
[12:37] <ajmitch_> ok
[12:45] <ogra> JaneW, i'll know after my install finished :)
[12:45] <ogra> morning
[12:46] <ajmitch_> hi ogra 
[01:02] <ogra> ajmitch_, anything on the moodle front ? 
[02:33] <JaneW> ogra: ok thanks
[02:34] <ogra> http://www.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup and http://www.edubuntu.org/LTSPClientKeymap are done...
[02:35] <ogra> and i think thats all we have left :)
[02:38] <ogra> JaneW, all workarounds (sadly not the fixes) are through ... i fought little battles with mdz :)
[02:43] <JaneW> sigh
[02:44] <JaneW> be glad for small victories
[02:45] <ogra> hey, the CD looks ok, so dont worry :)
[02:46] <JaneW> yay, well done
[02:46] <JaneW> does DHCP work?
[02:46] <JaneW> or at least not break everything else? ;)
[02:47] <ogra> see the above docs...
[02:47] <ogra> everything works, but you need to do the last steps manually
[02:47] <ogra> at east it doesnt break and installs fine... 
[02:47] <ogra> *least
[02:47] <ogra> no matter which IP or other setting you use...
[02:48] <ogra> we should link the two docs from the InstallationNotes page and will be fine i think... (assuming the users read it) 
[02:49] <ogra> if they dont read it, we'll just have a higher support rate, which is fine too with me... so i get in contact ith our users *g* 
[02:49] <ogra> (think positive.... where you can)
[02:50] <JaneW> heh
[03:09] <mhz_edu> morining
[03:09] <ogra> hey mhz_edu 
[03:10] <mhz_edu> ogra, hi there. As you already know, I installed edubuntu on the thin laptop. I saw the 50% screen progress (about 5 minutes :) ) and rebooted ok.
[03:10] <ogra> mhz_edu, have a look at http://www.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup and http://www.edubuntu.org/LTSPClientKeymap and tell me if you see need for improvement...
[03:10] <mhz_edu> However, I ended up having no /etc/ltsp
[03:10] <mhz_edu> but I did have the whole /opt tree
[03:10] <ogra> you rebooted when the system told you to ? not before ?
[03:11] <ogra> i know the progress reporting needs some more love, but i wasnt allowed to make the changes now...
[03:12] <ogra> and at least you see the CD working until the installer goes on with the install
[03:13] <mhz_edu> I did everything exactly as I did for the desktop "edubuntu server". The only diff was that as I have no chance to boot from PCMCIA CD drive, I edited GRUB and started from HD to then load PCMCIA CD drive.
[03:13] <ogra> ouch
[03:13] <mhz_edu> baad?
[03:14] <ogra> that cant work... the ltsp builder requires that the CD is mounted under /cdrom
[03:14] <mhz_edu> hmmmmmmmm
[03:14] <mhz_edu> no problem, I think I can build a "tweak of original ltsp", right?
[03:15] <mhz_edu> I mean, how hard can it be ?
[03:15] <mhz_edu> (please tell me it's piece of strawberry cake
[03:15] <ogra> sure, but did you walk through the steps between ltsp building and reboot ? 
[03:15] <mhz_edu> )
[03:16] <mhz_edu> yes, absolutely 100% sure because I am used to keep notes of everything I do during install process
[03:16] <ogra> else you'll be missing settings and stuff...
[03:16] <ogra> ok, then its no prob...
[03:16] <mhz_edu> so, far, the only thing I have noticed it's missing the is the dhcpd.conf and the /ltsp dir
[03:16] <ogra> make sure edubuntu-server is installed correctly
[03:17] <mhz_edu> how do I make sure?
[03:17] <ogra> sudo apt-get install edubuntu-server
[03:17] <mhz_edu> lol!
[03:17] <ogra> it will tell you if its already there :)
[03:17] <mhz_edu> I thought you were gonna say something more complex than that
[03:18] <ogra> hey, its ubuntu... no complexity allowed ;)
[03:18] <mhz_edu> oh, BTW, I still can't find why LDM ignores .xsession ot .Xsession ~/files
[03:18] <mhz_edu> hehehe
[03:19] <mhz_edu> ogra, neither complexity nor fixes allowed :D  (ironic joke but couldn't help it, sorry)
[03:19] <ogra> heh
[03:20] <mhz_edu> .oO(it's my latin sense of humour)
[03:20] <ogra> fixes are allowed until a certain date :)
[03:20] <mhz_edu> oh, good point
[03:21] <mhz_edu> hhh. actually when this fujitsu boots the screen is "ubuntu'" not "edubuntu" but when GDM  starts (i still do not like GDM or any xDM, I do prefer the login prompt only) this beautiful edubuntu screen shows up
[03:22] <mhz_edu> JaneW, on Wednesday, I'll have CD covers to show
[03:24] <mhz_edu> ogra, u were right. it will download it.
[03:24] <mhz_edu> very weired, very much
[03:24] <mhz_edu> you say it may have been due to pcmcia cd?
[03:25] <ogra> due to the grub stuff i think...
[03:26] <mhz_edu> hhhm, but the grub thing was only to boot the machine. After that, I wiped out the whole HD
[03:26] <ogra> yes, but you didnt see the edubuntu logo ...
[03:26] <mhz_edu> so I shold have had a whole new environment
[03:26] <mhz_edu> hmm, right
[03:27] <ogra> looks like you installed ubuntu...
[03:27] <mhz_edu> ubuntu and ALL the games and structure of edubuntu (like the /opt tree)
[03:27] <ogra> the /opt tree is always there
[03:28] <mhz_edu> oh
[03:28] <jsgotangco> mmm?
[03:28] <jsgotangco> your usplash didnt show edubuntu?
[03:28] <mhz_edu> yes, now it is installing schooltool
[03:28] <ogra> /opt/ltsp gets created during the ltsp server install
[03:28] <jsgotangco> you installed ubuntu :P
[03:28] <ogra> jsgotangco, funny, eh ? 
[03:29] <jsgotangco> you downloaded the wrong cd :P
[03:30] <hno73> JaneW: I think we are on track for the website changeover tomorrow. I have a site up here: which is fairly complete http://www.omma.org.uk/edubuntu/ and I'm working with Znarl on the server config stuff.
[03:30] <jsgotangco> wow
[03:30] <mhz_edu> jsgotangco, I downloades (actually rsynced) ogra's iso
[03:30] <mhz_edu> jsgotangco, actually, at the login screen, I see Edubuntu
[03:31] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[03:31] <mhz_edu> but at the booting screen I see Ubuntu :D
[03:31] <hno73> JaneW: Znarl says he has some conflicting RT requests regarding this though. What did you request? :)
[03:31] <ogra> thats from edubuntu-artwork....
[03:31] <jsgotangco> you probably installed workstation?
[03:31] <jsgotangco> mhz_edu, that's an old image then
[03:31] <ogra> even then it should show the edubuntu bootsplash
[03:31] <mhz_edu> yes, from last friday
[03:31] <ogra> the same iso installed fine here...
[03:32] <mhz_edu> jstis the same exact cd i used for the desktop I am using as server
[03:32] <ogra> i'm just installing over it
[03:32] <mhz_edu> jsgotangco, its the same exact cd i used for the desktop I am using as server
[03:32] <jsgotangco> the edubuntu bootsplash has been quite a while
[03:32] <jsgotangco> (weeks)
[03:32] <mhz_edu> yep, indeed
[03:33] <mhz_edu> hno73, well done!
[03:33] <jsgotangco> can you try downloading again? the daily build should work for you
[03:33] <mhz_edu> jsgotangco, I'' donwload from Tecnocimiento (much faster than home connection)
[03:33] <hno73> mhz_edu: again, it's mostly Johnathan's work
[03:34] <mhz_edu> hno73, ok
[03:34] <mhz_edu> highvoltage, well done!
[03:34] <mhz_edu> :D
[03:34] <jsgotangco> hno73, is it possible not to have an embossed logo?
[03:35] <hno73> jsgotangco: yes, would that be prefrable?
[03:35] <jsgotangco> emboss looks so 90s imo
[03:35] <hno73> :)
[03:36] <hno73> Ok, I'll play with it
[03:36] <mhz_edu> as long as no flash is used :D
[03:36] <jsgotangco> no flash...that's evil
[03:37] <jsgotangco> hno73 knows it
[03:37] <jsgotangco> =)
[03:37] <mhz_edu> hehe
[03:38] <mhz_edu> JaneW, tomorrow, I start the 1st training period for Tecnocimiento gang on Edubuntu
[03:39] <mhz_edu> ogra, I read the wiki. Good.
[03:40] <ogra> fine :)
[03:40] <mhz_edu> I'll use some moin syntax to take advantage of some features if you don't mind
[03:41] <ogra> sure, go ahead :)
[03:42] <jsgotangco> mhz_edu, you should help out on the ubuntu wiki, that thing is a monster (i barely touch it)
[03:43] <mhz_edu> jsgotangco, I am very interested on it but I wonder how much into Moin special features for docing is the Doc Team aware of
[03:43] <hno73> jsgotangco: from tomorrow he won't have a choice because the edubuntu wiki will be merged in with the ubuntu one (if all goes to plan)
[03:43] <mhz_edu> Teh best advatage of wiki, in general, is that it will never become a monster if you keep it under very simple rules
[03:44] <jsgotangco> the wiki isn't really a docteam focus
[03:44] <mhz_edu> yes, that's a problem
[03:44] <mhz_edu> hno73, educoooool!
[03:44] <jsgotangco> but some active members are more into it than docbook'ing itself
[03:44] <mhz_edu> hehehe
[03:44] <JaneW> hno73: hello, I just asked znarl to process Jonathan's request
[03:45] <jsgotangco> mhz_edu, to be honest i prefer mediawiki
[03:45] <mhz_edu> jsgotangco, moin2docbook could be the solution
[03:45] <JaneW> hno73: would be great if the changeover happens tomorrow
[03:45] <mhz_edu> jsgotangco, I imagin
[03:45] <JaneW> mhz_edu: cool!
[03:45] <mhz_edu> JaneW, cool? what?
[03:46] <JaneW> mhz_edu JaneW, tomorrow, I start the 1st training period for Tecnocimiento gang on Edubuntu
[03:47] <mhz_edu> jsgotangco, all wikis are aimed for putting docs into web. Mediawiki is great for many things but it requires double work to make it as flexible as Moin
[03:47] <mhz_edu> JaneW, ah!
[03:48] <mhz_edu> Anybody knows the login password for "admin" in schooltool?
[03:50] <ogra> oh, i wanted to ad a line to the about edubuntu page... thanks for reminding mhz_edu 
[03:50] <ogra> i think its schooltool
[03:51] <ogra> jinty could tell, but he's just gone
[03:51] <jsgotangco> ogra, you still want yelp pages or we ditch what I have?
[03:51] <jsgotangco> (sorry the other docs ate my time)
[03:52] <ogra> i think we'll concentrate on the wiki for this release... ill put your about-edubuntu yelp page in the next edubuntu-artwork packge (no need for a separate package for one doc)
[03:52] <ogra> next tim we should have more people helping with this stuff...
[03:52] <ogra> *time
[03:54] <jsgotangco> i owe you a 6 pack
[03:54] <ogra> you ? me ? i'd rather say is the opposite ;)
[03:55] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i think the embossed logo looks better. the plain one looks incredibly plain.
[03:55] <jsgotangco> i just got a job btw
[03:55] <ogra> yay
[03:55] <ogra> congrats
[03:55] <highvoltage> mhz_edu: thanks :)
[03:55] <mhz_edu> np
[03:56] <jsgotangco> ogra, i'll be staying in brisbane for a while
[03:56] <ogra> oh, just around the corner...
[03:56] <ogra> what about your family ? 
[03:56] <jsgotangco> well i'll be staying first then test the waters...
[03:56] <mhz_edu> highvoltage, anychance we can have a screenshot of plain logo and embedded logo, so other can see the diff with embosed logo?
[03:56] <jsgotangco> although my contract states i can bring 'em in
[03:57] <ogra> thats really great news
[03:57] <ogra> finally you move to a sane TZ :P
[03:57] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[03:57] <ogra> :)
[03:58] <jsgotangco> pretty excited really...at least its a linux-related job (carrier-grade)
[03:58] <mhz_edu> jsgotangco, cooisimo!
[03:58] <mhz_edu> jsgotangco, coolisimo!
[03:59] <jsgotangco> gracias
[03:59] <ogra> yay
[03:59] <mhz_edu> heheh
[04:00] <hno73> JaneW: And what was Jonathan's request again? It would help if we had a coordinated request for this. My suggestion (and my request to RT) is that we place a single front page on the same server as the wiki, point www.e.o to that and then point wiki.e.o to the ubuntu wiki with the edubuntu skin. That doesn't involve other servers, redirect or net-propagation delays. Thoughs?
[04:00] <hno73> highvoltage: ^^?
[04:01] <JaneW> highvoltage: PING
[04:02] <JaneW> hno73: I agree on all counts. I have asked Jonathan to forward his RT request to me so I can see what he asked for...
[04:03] <highvoltage> JaneW: PONG, which changeover were you refering to?
[04:03] <hno73> JaneW: I think it might have involved some other server, which I suspect adds a level of cemplexity we can do without at this stage, now that we just have a single page to host
[04:04] <highvoltage> hno73: i'm re-sending my request, i'll copy you and JaneW on it
[04:04] <hno73> highvoltage: resending to RT
[04:04] <hno73> ?
[04:05] <hno73> highvoltage: better to send it to me. I'm in dialogue with the admins now
[04:05] <hno73> Znarl has said he will help me today and tomorrow
[04:05] <hno73> highvoltage: your request and mine might have conflicting elements
[04:06] <hno73> causing confusion with the server admins
[04:06] <JaneW> highvoltage: thanks :)
[04:06] <hno73> So we should just coordinate them
[04:06] <JaneW> hno73: agreed
[04:06] <JaneW> highvoltage: did you get that? please send to Henrik and I, we'll take it forward
[04:08] <highvoltage> hno73: rt@admin.ubuntu.ocm
[04:08] <highvoltage> com even
[04:08] <highvoltage> hno73: ok, you have been copied
[04:08] <highvoltage> JaneW: ok, that's what i've done.
[04:15] <mhz_edu> JaneW, hmmm, the edubuntu children photo/ any chances we can get it at a higher resolution, please (not web resolution) :D ?
[04:16] <ogra> 300dpi :)
[04:16] <highvoltage> hno73: sorry, i realise now you meant I should send it _just_ to you and JaneW 
[04:16] <highvoltage> hno73: i think my request didn't go through, because I'm not getting a response back. perhaps it's limited to canonical employees?
[04:17] <JaneW> highvoltage: thanks, hno73 can discuss any issues and/or conflicts with Karl/James as necessary
[04:17] <JaneW> mhz_edu: I have one of 294KB
[04:18] <JaneW> mhz_edu: can I send that to you?
[04:18] <hno73> highvoltage, JaneW: no worries I'll sort it out with Znarl
[04:18] <ogra> JaneW, not bigger ? a 300dpi version that has CD cover size would be rather 1-3MB 
[04:19] <JaneW> mhz_edu: I see I sent it to you on 12 Aug - that's the biggest I have
[04:19] <hno73> We'll need to take the edubuntu wiki off line for about 15 minutes tomorrow. Any time particularly bad?
[04:19] <jsgotangco> JaneW, i told you a few days ago, the pdf of the cover ain't gonna cut it for artwork
[04:19] <jsgotangco> its just too small
[04:19] <JaneW> jsgotangco: that's was for design not the logo
[04:19] <mhz_edu> JaneW, hmmm, ok
[04:19] <mhz_edu> thx
[04:20] <JaneW> mhz_edu: I can ask silbs... just a sec
[04:20] <mhz_edu> better :)
[04:20] <highvoltage> hno73: not that i can think of. for what it's worth, www.edubuntu.org's docroot already redirects to wiki.edubuntu.org, so that at least won't cause disruption.
[04:21] <mhz_edu> JaneW, and I hopw silbs can send a .jpg, gif, hopefully even a GIMP formtat :D
[04:21] <mhz_edu> any image but pdf wouldbe great
[04:21] <jsgotangco> mhz_edu, a tiff will do you wonders
[04:21] <mhz_edu> yes
[04:22] <jsgotangco> at least a 300dpi tiff
[04:22] <JaneW> mhz_edu: the one I sent you is a jpg
[04:23] <JaneW> mhz_edu: the pdf was just the CD cover design, which was not yet 100% final
[04:23] <mhz_edu> hno73, if you ask me, the only chances I can edit something is from 08:00 AM to 09:00 AM and from 14:30 to 16:00 or from 22:00 to 00:00. Here's now 11:24
[04:23] <jsgotangco> =)
[04:23] <JaneW> jsgotangco: got a few ppl to edit BreeztReleaseNotes
[04:24] <mhz_edu> JaneW, yes, the jpg is low resolution for printing, imho
[04:24] <mhz_edu> at least that particular file
[04:24] <JaneW> mhz_edu: ok I have pinged sils, waiting for her to repsond
[04:25] <mhz_edu> cool, however we'll work with what we have, so I dont want to keep people off their duties so close to release :D
[04:25] <mhz_edu> I'll wait, of course, anyways.
[04:26] <JaneW> mhz_edu: many thanks, the CDs won;t be printed before the are ready, certainly not in the next week (or 2) so we have a reprieve
[04:29] <mhz_edu> it is kind of strange feeling. on one side, I do want the release to be out soon. On the other hand, I understand we should release something "ready".
[04:29] <jsgotangco> mhz_edu, right
[04:33] <mhz_edu> anyways, maybe we should wiki a site called "the edubuntu unofficial release" :D
[04:33] <mhz_edu> lol
[04:47] <mhz_edu> jsgotangco, is this page in accordance to the content? http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallations
[04:49] <jsgotangco> hrmmm
[04:50] <jsgotangco> well they declared they have some instlaled i guess
[04:52] <ogra> hmm, todays daily smells like an RC
[04:53] <mhz_edu> ogra Rulz!
[04:55] <jsgotangco> w00t
[04:58] <ogra> ok, going to test the LTSP part
[05:08] <JaneW> mhz_edu: silbs does not have a higher res version of the children pic. Sorry
[05:08] <JaneW> YAYAYYAYAYAYYAYAYYAYAYAY
[05:09] <jsgotangco> err so we're on target in 2 days?
[05:10] <ogra> yup
[05:10] <JaneW> jsgotangco: release notes??
[05:11] <jsgotangco> JaneW, i'll slave on it later
[05:11] <ogra> somme smaller things like missing css for the firefox homepage and other stuff like this is still pending...
[05:11] <ogra> but we'lkl be done for release
[05:12] <ogra> oh, yes
[05:12] <ogra> i still wait for an answer from ajmitch... at least the moodle in universe should be ok... i'll have to care for it the next days if he doesnt manage
[05:12] <jsgotangco> (its nice to see you back again ogra)
[05:12] <ogra> thanks :)
[05:13] <JaneW> ogra: ajmitch says moodle's not done
[05:13] <JaneW> ogra: he was upset he didn;t finish it
[05:13] <ogra> gah
[05:13] <JaneW> ogra: was saying he owes you beers etc
[05:14] <JaneW> pity
[05:14] <ogra> JaneW, its not te missing change of wwwconfig-common... thats not urgent anymore, but there are security bugs open that need to be closed before release
[05:14] <ogra> i'll jump on it later tonight
[05:15] <ogra> lets see when Kamion has time to move the daily to RC... i'm tired of the preview bugreports :) these are sooo old bugs...
[05:16] <ogra> going to write installation notes we should link from a RC announcement... if anybody likes to prepare such an announcement, i would appreciate it... doesnt need to be detailed...
[05:17] <mhz_edu> .oO(hopefully I endup using this router as a switch, as I used to b4 edubuntu dhcp)
[05:19] <jsgotangco> well we could use the draft breezy annoucement
[05:21] <ogra> nothing this big... just something "hello, we are late, but we have a Rc anyway... look "here" for install notes and grab it "here"
[05:22] <ogra> feature lists etc are for release :)
[05:22] <jsgotangco> i can try in a few hours (a bit sleepy past 11pm already)
[05:24] <ogra> yup, we'll have to wait for "Kamion spare time" anyway before it gets moved to releases.ubuntu.com
[05:24] <ogra> he's very busy, seems a late bug in the installer showed up today
[05:24] <jsgotangco> ickk
[05:26] <jsgotangco> its ok i live a few hours in the future =) but since we're almost a day away from release, do you think an RC is still applicable?
[05:26] <ogra> its just for bureocracys sake :) 
[05:26] <ogra> and for the people that still test the preview instead of a daily... the preview was odd...
[05:27] <jsgotangco> ok i'll just mention edubuntu-specific stuff then
[05:27] <jsgotangco> and make it shorter
[05:27] <ogra> if at all...
[05:42] <mhz> hmmm
[05:43] <mhz> no way I can use that router as 'switch', so dhcp only works with a crossover cable :(
[05:47] <mhz> The strange thing is that I used that router for about 9 months as 'switch' by giving static IP's to machines and use the eth1 (same interface I am using for dhcp) as router.
[05:50] <jsgotangco> ogra, done EdubuntuReleaseCandidate
[05:51] <mhz> ok, i am off to train the gang
[05:51] <ogra> jsgotangco, great, working on http://www.edubuntu.org/InstallNotes
[05:51] <mhz> jsgotangco: can I translate that into spnish this evening
[05:51] <mhz> ?
[05:51] <ogra> mhz, go ahead
[05:52] <mhz> cool, then.
[05:52] <mhz> Once I'm back, that'll be one of my evening objectives :D
[05:54] <mhz> .oO(and I hope I can get enlightened so I can figure out a solution for this "sharing" network local problem) I need to test edubuntu with at least 2 clients and I don't think the Zaurus will be a candidate :)
[05:56] <ogra> http://www.edubuntu.org/InstallNotes done... if someone wants to hunt for typos....
[06:02] <stockholm> JaneW: ?
[06:02] <stockholm> JaneW: i have a project-management question
[06:02] <stockholm> JaneW: can you recommend some software for project planning?
[06:02] <ogra> stockholm, planner ? 
[06:03] <ogra> hi btw :)
[06:03] <stockholm> ogra: i tried that, it did not rock
[06:03] <stockholm> hi! (c:
[06:04] <stockholm> ogra: i liked ganttproject best so far, as far as the look and feel goes, but it is bugyy
[06:04] <ogra> nah it doesnt... too early in its development... there is another java based one and i think on the dark side in the KDE world there exists another one... but dont ask for names ;
[06:04] <ogra> )
[06:04] <ogra> vincenzio, hey, thanks a lot :)
[06:05] <stockholm> ogra: ganttproject was reviewed in the lastest c't 
[06:05] <stockholm> and is java based
[06:05] <stockholm> it does need non-free runtime libs
[06:05] <stockholm> ogra: not i look at dotproject (web-based) and a kde app (taskjuggler)
[06:06] <ogra> ah, yes, that was it.. i read about it in LinuxMagazin
[06:06] <stockholm> they can not compete with ganttproject in look and feel.
[06:06] <stockholm> gantproject is exactly what we would need, regarding functionality and stuff.
[06:07] <stockholm> but like this it is not useable
[06:07] <ogra> so poke them to free it ;)
[06:07] <ogra> and make it buil with gjc :)
[06:07] <stockholm> it is free, but needs the sun java runtime
[06:07] <ogra> *build
[06:07] <stockholm> people are on that allready
[06:07] <ogra> in ubuntu we have blackdown
[06:07] <stockholm> 6 fulltime people (c:
[06:08] <stockholm> they fill in the missing bits in classpath and hope to be ready by chistmas
[06:08] <ogra> ah, sounds nice
[06:08] <stockholm> then we would have a free java environment, finally
[06:08] <ogra> freemind would also be cool to have :)
[06:08] <stockholm> but the app itself is both free and buggy.
[06:09] <ogra> gjc is already in ubuntu, eclipse is built with it
[06:09] <stockholm> yes
[06:09] <ogra> indeed our calsspath isnt better than debians :)
[06:09] <stockholm> that is in debian, too, i think
[06:09] <ogra> *classpath
[06:09] <stockholm> (c:
[06:10] <stockholm> and JaneW went home already, it seems
[06:10] <ogra> i think she'll come back... we're waiting for our RC to be populated ...
[06:12] <stockholm> ah
[06:12] <stockholm> when will that be done?
[06:13] <stockholm> say, wasnt the release supposed to be last month?
[06:14] <ogra> nope
[06:14] <ogra> thursday or friday will be release date
[06:14] <ogra> i'm just doing a RC no... pro-forma :)
[06:14] <ogra> *now
[06:16] <stockholm> can you build those yourself, remotely?
[06:16] <stockholm> or are they build automatically every hour?
[06:17] <ogra> every day...
[06:17] <ogra> in our infrastructure
[06:17] <stockholm> yes. we do the same in debian-edu. just event-triggered
[06:18] <ogra> yes, our event is a cron job ;)
[06:37] <vincenzio> msg ogra, spelling seems to be all correct on the installnotes page. I think I would mention that the LTSP Thin Client server is not an internet gateway under the default install, and link to what it takes to make that happen under post install. That's just me, though. 
[06:38] <ogra> vincenzio, http://www.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup has a link at the bottom for NAT setups 
[06:39] <ogra> i think thats sufficient... but we coul dput the same sentence on the InstallNotes page too
[06:40] <ogra> if you want it there, feel free to edit the page ;) its a wiki ;)
[07:38] <th1a> Hi all.
[07:39] <th1a> I just rebooted my edubuntu desktop for the first time in a while and got the new Edubuntu default desktop.
[07:39] <th1a> I find the little girl with no nose a bit disturbing.
[07:40] <ogra> th1a, hmm, it was discusses quite often here until we decided to take this one... did you like the former one better ?
[07:41] <ogra> th1a, we release in two days, if you try to get a discussion rolling on the mailing list, there is still time to revert it if a majority wants to...
[07:47] <th1a> ogra:  Sorry I haven't been hanging out on IRC lately.
[07:47] <th1a> The mailing list has been quiet.
[07:47] <ogra> poke it ;) 
[07:47] <th1a> Are there other alternatives?
[07:48] <th1a> Floating around?
[07:48] <ogra> i think irc and ML are the only ones to reach the community 
[07:49] <ogra> i'm totally neutral about the wallpaper...
[07:49] <th1a> No, I mean alternative wallpapers.
[07:51] <ogra> art.ubuntu.com has some... or we could revert to the yellow one... we have a meeting scheduled tomorrow, probably try to get it on the agenda (mail the ML) 
[07:53] <th1a> OK.
[08:39] <stockholm> JaneW: ?
[08:57] <flora> is anyone here using edubuntu in an actual school?
[08:59] <flora> darn
[09:00] <flora> i'm having a helluva a time getting our Adult Ed administrator to agree to let me turn our ancient Dell lab into an open source lovefest :)
[09:02] <ogra> jelkner runs it at his school but he's not often around
[09:25] <mhz> hey
[09:34] <mhz_installing_3>  anyone here who knows how I can make a set of dreamweaver files become a document ready for print?
[10:34] <guest2> hi tom and jinty, fancy meeting you here!
[10:34] <guest2> ogra: oliver, do you have time for a few questions?
[10:34] <mhz> ahhh
[10:34] <jinty> ahhh
[10:35] <jelkner> i'm logged in on the edubuntu machine at my local library
[10:35] <jelkner> i forgot i was guest ;-)
[10:35] <ogra> jelkner, very bad time... i have to fight to get a last minute fix in on #ubuntu-devel
[10:35] <jelkner> ok, talk to you later
[10:35] <jinty> jelkner: re cando
[10:35] <jelkner> yes, did you get to talk to dave?
[10:36] <mhz> anyone knows the schooltool password from edubuntu install?
[10:36] <jinty> yeah, he is with us in #schooltool
[10:36] <jinty> mhz: manager:schooltool?
[10:36] <jelkner> well, let me log out from here and meet you guys on #schooltool
[10:36] <mhz> ahh, I was using admin/schooltool
[10:37] <jinty> mhz: np
[10:37] <mhz> thx
[11:00] <mhz> ogra: what "girl" is Tom talking about in his email to edubuntu-devel?
[11:01] <ogra> mhz, the default background image
[11:01] <mhz> I see no girl
[11:01] <ogra> look closer :p
[11:02] <mhz> just a yellow bg with edubuntu on a right down corner
[11:02] <ogra> the users background doesnt get overwritten on ugrade, check yourself in the background chooser...
[11:03] <ogra> it should have come with a edubuntu-artwork update from the weekend
[11:03] <mhz> ok, once i log out I'll be checking on that
[11:07] <jelkner> has anyone noticed that the edubuntu theme goes away when you select another one, and you can't get it back?
[11:08] <ogra> nope
[11:09] <ogra> jelkner, only if you log in twice with the same user there can be a problem... 
[11:10] <jelkner> ogra: we have two workstations in the mt rainier library setup
[11:10] <jelkner> one labeled "Juvenile"
[11:10] <jelkner> the other "Adults"
[11:11] <ogra> yup
[11:11] <jelkner> figuring the edubuntu theme was good for the "Juvenile", but not the "Adult"
[11:11] <jelkner> we changed the theme in Adult
[11:11] <ogra> i havent had such an issue.. 
[11:11] <jelkner> but now if I wanted to change it back
[11:11] <jelkner> I can't
[11:12] <jelkner> since it was a "custom" theme that disappears from the list
[11:12] <ogra> but if you log in twice with the same user on the same server, there can be problems with gnome-settings-daemon not starting...
[11:12] <ajmitch_> morning
[11:12] <mhz> ogra: 4th install, 1 problem GDM claimed a couple of errors due to fonts or something and refused to start :(
[11:12] <jelkner> yes, but that is not what i'm talking about here
[11:12] <mhz> ajmitch_: morning
[11:13] <ogra> mhz, can you mail me the Xorg log ?
[11:13] <jelkner> this is simply a matter of the theme not being a choice in the System->Preferences->Themes list
[11:13] <mhz> sure (I can even wiki it to you)
[11:13] <ogra> jelkner, oh, you didnt install it from a package ? 
[11:14] <jelkner> no, i'm talking about the default edubuntu theme
[11:14] <jelkner> i didn't install anything
[11:14] <jelkner> i'm talking about the child friendly desktop icons and such
[11:14] <ogra> and you cant find it  ? 
[11:14] <ogra> strange
[11:15] <jelkner> should i report a bug?
[11:15] <jelkner> check it out, it is not a theme choice
[11:15] <ogra> iz wont be solved anymore, i'm not allowed to do any changes now...
[11:15] <jelkner> you're kidding!
[11:15] <mhz> he's not, sadly
[11:16] <ogra> the archive is getting locked tonight
[11:16] <ogra> the first testbuilds for the release are running... i can do some trivial changes tomorrow again... but really only trivials
[11:16] <ajmitch_> for main, or also universe?
[11:16] <jelkner> then it sounds like the only viable plan will be to wait until after the release and to begin figuring out how to start using dapper ;-)
[11:17] <ogra> only main
[11:17] <ajmitch_> oh good
[11:17] <jelkner> there are still too many things that need to be done to make the system usable
[11:18] <jelkner> i guess we could patch things as we are testing and then know better what has to go into dapper
[11:18] <jelkner> the librarian needs to be able to create a desktop for guests and have that locked down, for example
[11:19] <jelkner> the public is using the system
[11:19] <jelkner> i imagine a script that recopied everything in the home directory from /etc/skel would do the trick
[11:20] <jelkner> but we need some human friendly way for her to make changes to the desktop until she says "yeah, this is what i want" and to give her the abilitiy to save it
[11:20] <jelkner> but then users off the street should not be able to change that
[11:20] <jelkner> the whole configuration management issue
[11:21] <jelkner> edubuntu won't be for real until we have that
[11:21] <ajmitch_> sabayon is probably going to be useful for that
[11:21] <jelkner> who is sabayon? sounds like i need to talk with him.
[11:22] <jelkner> in the mean time, i'll get busy writing all this stuff up on the wiki
[11:23] <jelkner> so we can talk about it in montreal
[11:23] <ajmitch_> s/who/what/
[11:23] <jelkner> ahh
[11:23] <ajmitch_> Description: system administration tool to manage GNOME desktop settings
[11:24] <ajmitch_> uses a gnome session in xnest to configure user profiles
[11:24] <ogra> sabayon doesnt work throgh ssh...
[11:24] <ogra> xnest cant be started
[11:25] <jelkner> but we have to have something like it, then
[11:25] <ajmitch_> ogra: right
[11:25] <ajmitch_> ogra: which is why it's something to look at for dapper :)
[11:25] <jelkner> i just looked at the website, yup, that's what we need
[11:25] <ajmitch_> and it should use xephyr, rather than xnest
[11:26] <ogra> its planned as the default config manager for dapper
[11:26] <ajmitch_> great
[11:26] <ogra> there were just to many issues with it to include it now
[11:27] <jelkner> ok, i'll buy that, but after this release will there be some time to hack together some solutions for the most import user concerns?
[11:27] <ajmitch_> I know, it's fairly early in its development
[11:28] <jelkner> i know nobody asked me to do it, but i've gone ahead and setup several edubuntu labs with real folks who have real needs
[11:28] <jelkner> i figured what better way to have edubuntu work the way people want it to work than to have people use it and tell us what they need
[11:28] <mhz> ogra: http://www.tecnocimiento.cl/MauricioHernandez/ScrapBook
[11:28] <mhz> there's the error
[11:29] <jelkner> i've been telling folks, "just wait until spring, and all will be well!"
[11:30] <jelkner> but it would be great if they could use the systems between now and then
[11:31] <jelkner> anyway, would a script that deleted everything from /home/guest and repopulated it be a reasonable way to handle this problem for the present?
[11:33] <ogra> delete only ~/.gconf
[11:33] <jelkner> well, she wants files they downloaded to disappear too
[11:34] <jelkner> does ~/.gconf have all the icon positions, desktop themes, etc?
[11:35] <jelkner> i'm thinking that the simplest solution for now is to let the user do what they will, as long as logout/login results in a know configuration
[11:36] <jelkner> s/known/know
[11:37] <jelkner> ok, i know you have a release to put out, i'll talk to you again after that is over...
[11:38] <ogra> sorry, was on the phone
[11:38] <jelkner> (and you've had a chance to celebrate, of course ;-)
[11:38] <ogra> nope, i have nothing to do right now...
[11:38] <jelkner> is the release done?
[11:38] <ogra> my fixes werent and arent accepted currently...
[11:39] <jelkner> ahh
[11:39] <mhz>  ogra, this error won't let me even start fluxbox :()
[11:39] <ogra> this daily wont change much the next two days
[11:39] <jelkner> is it installable now?
[11:39] <ogra> mhz, does that happen on the server ? 
[11:39] <mhz> yeps
[11:39] <ogra> jelkner, sure, i wouldnt release it without working installer
[11:39] <mhz> that's the url i pasted for you
[11:40] <jelkner> great
[11:40] <mhz> jelkner: what date is the iso you used?
[11:41] <jelkner> it was 10/10
[11:41] <jelkner> i burned it yesterday morning
[11:41] <jelkner> and it didn't work
[11:41] <jelkner> i've since thrown it out
[11:41] <ogra> jelkner, i admit there are many rough edges, but its really ok for a first release in such a timeframe... in dapper we'll have lots more time and i hope i wont be alone anymore.. if we can get more people involved it will get much better
[11:41] <ogra> 10/10 didnt work for you ? 
[11:41] <ogra> what was the error ? 
[11:42] <jelkner> i told you yesterday
[11:42] <jelkner> you said you knew about it
[11:42] <jelkner> it gave me an error and said something like "if you see this screen..."
[11:42] <mhz> I have seen that error too
[11:42] <ogra> but that doesnt mean it didnt work
[11:43] <ogra> the error was there for 2 months...
[11:43] <jelkner> i never saw it before
[11:43] <ogra> and was fixed yesterday
[11:43] <jelkner> i stopped as soon as i saw it (once you told me it was fixed)
[11:44] <th1a> jelkner:  I agree that Breezy Edubuntu is a good showing for six months work.
[11:44] <mhz> jelkner: I just ignored it
[11:44] <jelkner> anyway, paul wisely suggested we save the working hard drive and install on a new one anyway
[11:44] <mhz> my 2 boxes run edubuntu smoothly
[11:44] <jelkner> ogra: please keep in mind that i am *not* trying to be critical
[11:44] <mhz> and always with the same dhcp message error :D
[11:44] <ogra> th1a, it had far less than 6 months... say rather 3-4
[11:44] <jelkner> edubuntu is great!
[11:44] <ogra> jelkner, i get that ;) 
[11:45] <mhz> we know
[11:45] <jelkner> i can use it in my classroom and it works just fine
[11:45] <ogra> jelkner, dont worry... i'm just quite shocked if you tell me yesterdays iso isnt installable...
[11:45] <mhz> lol!
[11:45] <ogra> but if you stopped the install at the beginning i'm not worried :)
[11:45] <jelkner> i missunderstood you
[11:45] <mhz> ogra, as a good hacker, he was more concerned about geek stuff than social ones :D
[11:46] <flora> hey is anyone using edubuntu in an actual classroom?
[11:46] <jelkner> yes, i am
[11:46] <jelkner> everyday with more than 70 students
[11:46] <mhz> me, as soon as I can finish this 4th time install
[11:46] <flora> jelkner: that is wonderful
[11:47] <flora> i'm having a helluva time convincing our Adult Ed administrator to let me turn our ancient Dell lab into an open source paradise
[11:47] <jelkner> flora: and it is working like a charm
[11:47] <ogra> mhz, yes, currently i have the word E S A E L E R tatooed on my forehead to remind me every time i look into the mirror .... 
[11:47] <mhz> lol
[11:47] <ajmitch_> ogra: you need reminded of that?
[11:47] <ogra> lol
[11:47] <ogra> not really
[11:47] <flora> jelkner: what applications do the students/teachers use?
[11:48] <mhz> ogra: so, the Xorg error? need an upgrade and that's it?
[11:48] <ogra> ajmitch_, its just for the moments when i manage to forget about it :)
[11:48] <ajmitch_> ogra: and then you wake up
[11:48] <ogra> mhz, i'm not really sure
[11:48] <jelkner> it is a cs lab, so we use python and java developement stuff
[11:48] <ogra> mhz, what kind of graphics card is this ? 
[11:48] <jelkner> btw., eclipse got fixed just in time!
[11:48] <mhz> hmmm, not a clue
[11:48] <flora> oh a cs lab... that's not the same as "basic office skills"
[11:48] <jelkner> and firefox, gaim, openoffice, of course
[11:49] <jelkner> i have several students using blender
[11:49] <jelkner> and more using the gimp
[11:49] <ogra> mhz, it seems to think its a trident....
[11:49] <jelkner> a few using anjuta for learning c++
[11:49] <ogra> mhz, its very old i guess
[11:49] <mhz> oh, is that a card?
[11:49] <mhz> indeed
[11:49] <ogra> yup
[11:49] <jelkner> flora: i'm the only teacher
[11:50] <mhz> I am "selling" the idea of RecicLab, remember? so yea, many pc will be old
[11:50] <jelkner> flora: the rest of the school still uses M$, i'm afraid
[11:51] <mhz> jelkner: if you need more teachers, count on me :)
[11:51] <jelkner> cool! where will you be teaching?
[11:51] <flora> our Dell lab is sooo old but the teacher and administrator insist on running windows and office XP
[11:51] <flora> i can't convince them to give the switch a try
[11:52] <jelkner> yup, i know the situation well
[11:52] <mhz> flora: don't convince them, force them :D
[11:52] <jelkner> lol
[11:52] <flora> good idea!
[11:52] <flora> most of the users would never know the diff ;)
[11:52] <jelkner> btw, that is completely true
[11:52] <mhz> or show them stats and benchmarking
[11:53] <jelkner> i went to another local library on saturday that is using a gnu/linux thin client service called userful
[11:53] <jelkner> it is a gnome desktop
[11:53] <jelkner> configured to be friendly for windoz familiar users
[11:53] <mhz> wow
[11:53] <mhz> has XPDE continued development?
[11:54] <jelkner> the librarian says most users never even realize they were not running windows
[11:54] <mhz> that was a real XP for many M$ users
[11:54] <mhz> exactly
[11:55] <mhz> jelkner: actually... you CAN't run windows, It runs bt itself whenever he feels like it :D
[11:55] <ogra> mhz, btw,  sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager for a global session change works
[11:55] <mhz> ooohhhh, that was new to me!
[11:56] <ogra> this way you dont need to fiddle with ~/.xsession
[11:56] <ogra> (as long as you dont need user specific sessions )
[11:56] <mhz> and remember that LDM ingnores .xsession?
[11:56] <ogra> nope, it doesnt
[11:57] <ogra> ldm has nothing to do whit this
[11:57] <mhz> i know. i meant 
[11:57] <mhz> Do you remembr?
[11:57] <ogra> ldm starts ssh -X <server> /etc/X11/Xsession
[11:57] <ogra> so the problem must be in Xsession and how it handles the users .xsession...
[11:58] <mhz> yeah, i tought so, but then locally, all my different tests with .xsession and .Xsession files worked perfectly. Only from clients these did not work
[11:58] <jelkner> ok, i have an openoffice question...
[11:59] <jelkner> i'm sitting next to a user who is trying to type a document in spanish
[11:59] <jelkner> what is the easiest way for him to get spanish characters into his document?
[11:59] <ogra> mhz, then its an ssh or xauth issue...
[12:00] <mhz> change keyboard settings from the desktop he's using
[12:00] <ogra> jelkner, if his admin installs the spanish langpacks first ;)
[12:01] <mhz> jelkner: I use us keyboards but sometimes I am forced to use spanish characters (i live in Chile). Gnome and Kde manage hat easily
[12:01] <mhz> hat = that
[12:01] <ogra> jelkner, beyond that, i can only guess, since i'm only familiar with he compose+char+accent concept we use on german keyboards, no clue how you manage that on us layout :)
[12:02] <jelkner> mhz: what is the easiest way to do that?
[12:03] <mhz> hmmm, I am on a thin laptop now.. with only Fluxbox and Wmaker.
[12:03] <mhz> jelkner: if  remember correctly...
[12:03] <ogra> jelkner, the easiest is to know the right key combo to get chars that are not on your keyboard... the "other" way is to use gucharmap
[12:03] <mhz> Preferences, Keyboard layout, Add spanish-iso, OK