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janimoRiddell, who starts ivman in kubuntu?12:06
Riddelljanimo: /usr/bin/startkde12:07
janimoas user or root?12:07
janimoI see there is a config for the ivman user12:08
janimois that created for kubuntu?12:08
Riddelluser12:08
Riddellconfig where?12:08
janimoah so startkde is after the user logged in in kdm right?12:08
janimoin /etc/ivman/base12:08
RiddellI have no /etc/ivman/base12:08
janimouser to downgrade if started as root12:08
janimowell bseconfig .xml :)12:09
Riddellstartkde is run when logging in yes12:09
janimookk so that option is not used in ubuntu12:09
janimobtw, I sent the debdiff :)12:09
RiddellI havn't looked at this stuff in too long12:09
Riddell/usr/bin/ivman -s --nofork &12:09
janimothanks I'll probbaly use the same incantation :)12:10
janimowow ivman even allows to press eject on the CD and pops it out, I didn't think that was possible12:27
Riddelljanimo: ivman uploaded12:27
janimothanks :)12:27
Riddelljanimo: what is xubuntu using as filemanager and web browser?12:28
janimofirefox for browser as there's no loghter :(12:28
janimoand xffm and rox-filer are both installed12:29
Riddelland office suite?12:29
janimoWe'll have to decide which is the defaukt12:29
janimoabiword so far :)12:29
janimofor xubuntu-desktop we just add some minimal stff and office is not in that12:29
janimobrowsing, IM, image viewing etc12:30
janimoDo you know a  light office? :)12:30
RiddellI recommend koffice12:31
janimo:)12:31
janimoreally how come it got dropped in favor of OOo I recall there was a dilemma at beginning of breezy12:31
Riddellone day people will wake up to openoffice being unmanageable and koffice will get the serious development it deserves12:31
Riddellit didn't get dropped, it never got adopted12:32
janimoI hope so, or any other alternative for that matter12:32
Riddelland the reason was it was unstable as anything12:32
Riddellbugfix releases have improved that but it's still not polished enough12:32
Riddellwhich is a shame since koffice (or gnome office) could do twice as good as openoffice with half the manpower12:33
janimoyeah, it seems to me to that OOo does a lot of bad because it discourages other projects12:33
RiddellI agree entirely12:34
janimoit's a shame since  there's no alternative for win98 + olf MSoffice12:34
janimoold12:34
janimoit seems Sun is into selling big iron along with it's office suite12:35
Riddellthat could be it :)12:36
Riddellone of the guys who started KDE was the guy who ported staroffice to unix, he kept telling Sun they should use Qt so much they decided they'd never use Qt12:36
janimomatthias ettrich or someone else?12:37
Riddellthe other one12:38
Riddellmatthias kalle dalheimer12:38
janimoaha12:38
janimoso for making xubuntu specific ivman rules I put the xml files in a package and use dpkg-divert to override the ones in ivman?12:42
Riddelljanimo: yep12:43
janimoRiddell, thanks and goodnight12:44
Riddellwelcome12:44
Riddelljanimo: language packs are another derivative distribution issue you might have12:45
janimohmm, what are those exactly?12:45
janimoaren;t they related strictly to gnoe/kde apps?12:45
Riddelllanguage-pack-xx packages with all the translations in them12:45
janimofor all apps on the system?12:46
Riddellin hoary they had the translations for the programs on the ubuntu CD12:46
Riddellwhich ment kubuntu had language file for gimp and nautilus but not KDE12:46
Riddellso it's been split up into base, gnome and kde in breezy12:46
janimohmm, I need to check that out, so we will need lang-pack-base in  as many languages as possible right?12:47
janimois firefox and ooo separate from these packs?12:47
RiddellI'm not sure how ff or ooo are done12:47
Riddellideally you'd have a language-pack-xubuntu made to your order but that would be complex and overlap with language-pack-gnome I suspect12:48
janimoso one binary package holds all gnome translations?In that case they woul overlao indeed as we have gaim too12:49
janimofound languagepack related specs on the wiki I'll read them tomorrow12:51
Riddellpitti is the man for langpacks12:51
janimoI am off to bed now, good night :)12:52
Riddellsleep well12:52
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m_tadeuverwilst: hi there01:20
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pethi guys05:25
petany one alive for a chat?05:26
petguess i will keep watching my movie05:28
seth_k|lappytry #ubuntu-offtopic05:38
petwell, i was more interested if there are some cool devl projects i can perhaps contribute to05:52
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\shhttp://www.suselinuxsupport.de/index.php?location=download&language=EN08:24
\shdo we have this ktrafficanalyzer somehow in production?08:24
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\shRiddell: are u preparing beta amarok-1.3.3 packages? or should we do that later? 09:55
\shRiddell: think the ipod crashes went away in 1.3.3 so I think we have to backport this after breezy release09:55
\shRiddell: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1637509:55
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Tonio-morning10:02
Tonio-allee: posted a third bug request for wlassistant10:18
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Tonio-Riddell: I suggest you to have a look at this :11:23
Tonio-http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=14221&PHPSESSID=1739faeabef44536a9689038b393a62611:23
Tonio-I'm gona test right now but that apparently can be very interessting for network configuratio n11:23
verwilsthttp://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=2183211:39
verwilsti love this one11:39
Tonio-verwilst: very buggy at the moment.... and it only can manage with wireless11:45
verwilstah oki11:45
verwilstbut i love the gui ;)11:46
verwilstif that thing would work with dbus 'n stuff.. ;)11:46
Tonio-yep the gui is excellent, very clean.... I'm just waiting for little correction on disconnection+reconection problems for examle11:47
Tonio-s/eample/example11:47
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CaiN_SAah chmj 12:46
CaiN_SAhehe12:46
CaiN_SAwas on otherchannel12:46
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\shRiddell: fixed kubuntu-docs as kamion explained01:40
\shRiddell: and uploaded01:40
Riddell\sh: thanks01:40
RiddellI had already removed the exit on "diversation still exist"01:41
\shRiddell: well...my fault ... so the bull who did it, should remove id *g*01:41
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LathiatRiddell: so.. amarok 1.33? ;p04:01
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RiddellLathiat: oh crivvens04:05
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Tm_T=)04:09
Riddelldear KDE, please stop making all your releases within 2 days of the ubuntu release, thanks04:09
Tm_Teh?!04:10
Lathiatdear riddell,04:10
Lathiatbut that would make life easy for you04:10
Tm_Tsir Riddell: 3.5 is coming to release?!04:10
RiddellTm_T: no, but kde 3.4.3 is due out tomorrow, koffice 1.4.2 today04:10
Tm_Toh ok04:10
LathiatRiddell: didnt you just put a kde release in? ;p04:12
RiddellLathiat: I did get that in yes04:13
verwilstbreezy will be nice and stable /me thinks :d04:29
verwilstnow amarok 1.3.3 and it's a-ok :d04:29
sabdflRiddell: we need to improve the kubuntu usplash image!04:38
sabdflit should be... shinier above the reflection04:39
sabdflit looks kind of misty and unfocused, especially for the kde world04:39
sabdfldontcha think?04:39
Riddellyes, it's not as good as it should be04:39
RiddellI've had a go at it but didn't come out with anything better04:39
sabdflwho produced the ubuntu one?04:39
Riddellnobody seems to know04:40
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Tm_Tuhm, mark left05:26
Tm_The's abandoning us! :O05:27
Tonio-Riddell: would you like me to try improving the kubuntu usplash image ? I now know the technical requirement so if I can help on that point...05:36
RiddellTonio-: yes please :)05:36
RiddellTonio-: look at the ubuntu usplash image and try and get it to match for brightness and lack of dithering05:37
Tonio-okay, what kind of modifications are you thinking of ?05:37
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Riddellmight be easier to take the usplash image and add a k and change the hue but I don't know how you'd add the k05:37
Tonio-I'll see what i can do toonight, no pb, and try to let you know, I don't there is not much time now.....05:37
Riddellubunut-ttf would help of course05:37
Tonio-ahev a link where I can grab it ? (to earn time...)05:38
Riddellapt-get source usplash05:38
Riddelland kubuntu-default-settings05:38
Riddelland ubuntu-ttf for the font05:38
Tonio-I know for the sources packages, (already worked on it ^^)05:39
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Riddellttf-ubuntu-title it is05:39
Tonio-okay for the font, installing it.... I will let you know05:39
Tonio-Riddell: is there an apt package for ubuntu font ? can't find it.....05:43
Riddellttf-ubuntu-title05:44
Riddellin breezy05:44
Tonio-hu ?05:44
Riddellin universe05:45
Tonio-arf.... I disabled universe and multiverse this morning, I didn't remembered ;)05:45
Tonio-astonishing it is not in main but well ;)05:46
Tonio-Riddell: thanks, I have to leave, but I will let you know05:46
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\shguys...I will package a new amarok-1.3.3 package for breezy...if it's ready...can someone of you test it instantly and report issues to me?07:20
Riddell\sh: yes, but it can't be uploaded07:20
\shRiddell: I'll discuss that later with mdz...see buglist looks really interessting07:20
\shthe bugfixlist at least07:20
\shfor me it's even a no-go at this late stage07:21
\shbut anyways...let's test it07:21
Riddellif it's a no-go with you then mdz isn't going to let it in :)07:21
\shRiddell: well...I'm really scared about the last time...but there are some issues which are (hopefully) fixed, e.g. the crashes on startup07:22
\shand other things..if we're feeling allright, I think I can change my mind and can argue with mdz this issue ;)07:22
RiddellI'm ready to test07:23
\shok...I#ll get some drinks now and start07:23
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\shRiddell: btw...this cdbs-config_list is it done by hand or automatically by cdbs?07:37
Riddell\sh: automatically07:38
Riddellshould probably be removed on make clean07:38
\shk07:38
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Riddellhttp://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=19830  looks cool, who wants to package?08:00
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LathiatRiddell: i discovered akatapult08:06
Lathiatits nifty08:06
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RiddellLathiat: katapult rocks :)08:06
Lathiatits lackign two things08:06
Lathiata) recognizing http:// as urls and openign them08:06
Lathiatand b) googling :)08:06
Lathiatapart from that its great08:06
Lathiatgoogle could probably be solved by making smrat bookmarks work 08:06
Lathiat*smart08:07
Riddellhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Katapult08:07
Riddellbunch more features, feel free to work on them :)08:07
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RiddellLathiat: woo!08:08
\shOK!08:08
\shhttp://archive.linux-server.org/testing/08:08
RiddellLathiat: going to start helping us out?08:09
Lathiatso its running on 1 machine so far08:09
\shdownload the packages...(at least all) and test pls08:09
LathiatRiddell: yeh, 'course :)08:09
RiddellLathiat: well you can start by testing \sh's amarok 1.3.3 :)08:09
Lathiatok08:09
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Lathiat\sh: tut tut wheres my source packages :)08:09
\shLathiat: u don't need the source packages08:10
\shtest the binary08:10
\shas everybody ;)08:10
Lathiatmaybe i dont trust your binary ;p08:10
\shLathiat: *gnarf* ;)08:10
Riddellyou can trust \sh, he's cool08:10
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Lathiatwhich is quite impressive since i've always hated kde08:12
Lathiatkubuntu seems to make it nice ;p08:12
Lathiator its just gotten better recently :)08:12
\shLathiat: kde is the mac osX on linux ;)08:12
Lathiatamarok starts, good start ;p08:13
Lathiat.. plays music08:13
Lathiatooh shiny, new volume thingy08:13
Lathiatthats much better08:13
\shLathiat: do u have an ipod?08:14
\shLathiat: if so, test ipod transfers08:14
Lathiatsorry08:14
Lathiatfeel free to send me one i'll test with it ;p08:14
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Lathiatpondering saving for one08:14
Lathiatarts, gstreamer engines work fine08:15
Lathiatseems good08:15
Lathiat\sh: any other specific bugs?08:15
Lathiatwhat is annoying, i cant configure my multimedia keys in the gloal shrotcuts thingy08:15
\shhttp://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1561708:16
\shhttp://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1593108:16
\shhttp://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1637508:16
\shhttp://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1711108:16
Riddellamarok 1.3.3 works for me too08:17
Lathiatalso, can i propse ? be added by default to "consider the following characters part of a word when double clickign" on konsole so double clicking urls works? ;p08:17
Lathiati suppose & too :)08:17
Lathiatgah, and =08:17
RiddellLathiat: double clicking URLs works for me08:17
LathiatRiddell: it stops at the ? mark08:17
Lathiatunless i add it08:18
Riddellah08:18
Lathiatalso = and &08:18
RiddellLathiat: ok, I'm trying that out now, if it doesn't annoy me I'll add it to the default settings08:19
Lathiatoops08:19
Lathiati made amarok crash08:20
\shhow?08:20
Lathiathitting win+b repeatedly08:20
sebasI've set that also, even so ; which is in some URLs aswell.08:20
sebasThe ; might be annoying to some though.08:20
Riddellsebas: URLs with ; in them are crazy08:20
Lathiatbought up a trace email08:20
sebasRiddell: But nevertheless allowed.08:20
Riddellsebas: you know guidance is on the CDs now?08:20
sebasDidn08:20
sebas't know that, but good to hear. :)08:21
Riddellsebas: I hope this stuff works :)08:21
sebasIs it in the default install then?08:21
Riddellsebas: yep08:21
sebasWow :D08:21
RiddellI'm going to remove kuser08:21
sebasDidn't expect that.08:21
Riddellneither did I, last minute addition08:21
\shhmmmm08:21
Riddell\sh: wheesht08:21
sebasCongrats for that decision. :-)08:21
Riddellsebas: does bugs.kde.org know about guidance?08:22
Lathiatyeh so repeatedly hitting shortcuts definately makes amarok sucky but thats not a major bug08:22
\shhmmm...I hitted now 50 times on this win+b08:22
Lathiatif your hitting win+b 4 times a second for a legit reason then your crazy08:22
sebasI think not, we're in playground, I'm not sure this is also stuff for b.k.o08:22
Lathiat\sh: one time it crashed08:22
Lathiatanother time the ui locked up08:22
Lathiat(music kept going)08:23
Riddellhmm, amarok has frozen08:23
Tm_T?08:23
Riddellstill playing music but the display isn't redrawing08:23
LathiatRiddell: yeh i had the same happen08:23
Tm_TRiddell: ooh, 1.3.3?08:23
\shRiddell: something to reproduce08:23
\shTm_T: testing -> http://archive.linux-server.org/testing/ 08:23
Lathiateh it just backtraced again08:23
Tm_Tah08:23
Riddellooh, back again08:23
Tm_T\sh: I use the very newest svn all the time ;)08:24
Riddell\sh: suspect I can't reproduce it, it just happened08:24
\shTm_T: doesn't matter...we're testing 1.3.3 ;)08:24
Riddella bit like my amd64 dieing08:24
Lathiatso08:25
Lathiatwhere should i look for a good example of kde app packaging08:25
Lathiatat a basic level08:25
Riddellsebas: can I add Guidance to bugs.kde.org?08:25
sebasRiddell: Sure.08:25
RiddellLathiat: KubuntuPackaging08:25
sebasI mean if noone else objects ...08:25
RiddellLathiat: you should start by looking at traditional debhelper packaging08:25
Lathiatri+Guide08:26
Tm_T\sh: ok, should I try it then or is there enough testers?08:26
Riddellas explained in the debian new maintainer guide08:26
\shTm_T: please try08:27
Tm_T\sh: I will, but that costs many dollas08:28
Tm_T] ;=08:28
\shTm_T: hehe :) It will cost my head if I argue with mdz ;)08:29
\shTm_T: and amarok will make it into breezy 1 1/2 day before release ;)08:30
LathiatRiddell: oh i know packaging in general, just wanted kde specifics, s'all good08:31
RiddellLathiat: oh cool, do you know cdbs?08:31
LathiatRiddell: not a whiz, but i've used it08:31
Lathiatthat wiki page is all i needed :)08:31
Riddellthere isn't really anything KDE specific in packaging 08:31
RiddellLathiat: going to package mateedit then?08:32
LathiatRiddell: yep, already halfway there :)08:32
Tm_T\sh: sold08:32
\shok...gstreamer alsaink must be default?08:32
\shand not xine08:32
\shthis I have to patch08:32
Riddell\sh: can't you use the patch from the existing package?08:33
\shRiddell: think so08:33
\shRiddell: I just dropped the patches which were fixed by upstream...so I'll apply them and see again (the alsaink)08:34
\shshould we wait until tomorrow or should I start discussing now with mdz?08:35
\shRiddell: can u check the memory and cpu utilisation?08:40
\shhmmm...08:41
\shcan someone test the arts engine, pls?`08:43
Lathiaterghhh08:46
Lathiatamarok just threw ma nother backtrace email08:46
Lathiatexcept its still running08:46
Lathiat\sh: yes, worked08:46
\shLathiat: what backtrace?08:46
\shwhat crash?08:46
Lathiat\sh: just died out of nowhere08:46
Lathiatthe ui seems dead08:46
Lathiatmusic is still going08:46
\shdon't scare jesus out of me08:46
Lathiat\sh: im being serious...08:47
Lathiatand jesus lives in you? ;p08:47
\shLathiat: can u try to reproduce?08:47
Lathiat\sh: the problem is i dont do *anything*08:47
Lathiatit sjust in the middle of a song08:47
Lathiatdone it twice now08:47
Lathiatsee if it does it again08:47
\shLathiat: if bddebian is god, then I'm his son and ogra is the holy ghost ;)08:47
Lathiat\sh: heh08:47
\shand I'm getting montezumas revenge, when I think that I have to discuss amarok with our release-eng08:48
Tm_T\sh: gst & alssink with plug:dmix please 08:48
LathiatTm_T: uh no08:49
Tm_TLathiat: what no08:49
\shTm_T: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=UPSTREAM&bug_status=PENDINGUPLOAD&field0-0-0=product&type0-0-0=substring&value0-0-0=dmix&field0-0-1=component&type0-0-1=substring&value0-0-1=dmix&field0-0-2=short_desc&type0-0-2=substring&value0-0-2=dmix&field0-0-3=status_whiteboard&type0-0-3=substring&value0-0-3=dmix08:49
Lathiatheh08:49
Lathiatgood response08:49
Tm_T\sh: s.kapsi.fi ;)08:50
Tm_Teh08:50
Tm_Twtf08:50
Tm_Tin hoary yes, but in breezy I dinally got well playing dmix =)08:50
Tm_Tfinally08:50
Lathiatbut not everyone is so lucky :)08:51
Tm_T:(08:51
Tm_Tok then08:51
Tm_Tdefault should be "works(tm)"08:52
Tm_Tso what's better solution then?08:52
Tm_Txine?08:52
Lathiat\sh: eek 08:52
Lathiatamarok really isnt doing wlel08:52
Lathiatim not sure 1.3.3 is the best idea08:52
Lathiati just changed from gst to arts and changed song now i got two playing08:52
Lathiattried to change again the ui locked again08:52
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\shk08:53
\shRIDDELL!!!!!08:57
\shI need your advice08:57
Tm_T\sh: try sir Riddell ;)08:57
\shwell...08:58
\shriddell is for me the one person who I can trust regarding kubuntu...08:58
\shI don't want to break kubuntu nor do I want the community bashing me for a stoopid bloody mistake08:58
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Tm_T:p08:59
\shRiddell: No!09:00
Tm_T:/09:01
\shRiddell: let's ship 1.3.1 with a known (eventually upcoming) bugs...09:01
Tm_T:/09:01
Tm_T\sh: you can't mean that09:04
\shTm_T: yes09:04
\shTm_T: I'm totally serious...because this is not a "funny decision"09:05
Tm_Tok09:05
\shTm_T: I'd rather backport a new version to breezy then to risk shit09:05
Tm_Tyes09:05
Tm_Tand I can always compile from svn09:05
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Tm_Tso ignore me, do the right thing ;)09:06
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Lathiatwhats the current standards version?09:12
\shRiddell: I'll go for a backport last word...u have a veto09:12
Tm_TLathiat: err?09:13
\shgrmpf09:13
\sh 2537 shermann  16   0  155m  72m  31m R 11.2 14.4   6:13.60 amarokapp09:14
\shthats 50Megs more then at start09:14
Lathiatsuck09:14
\shdifferent from 13.109:15
\sh1.3109:15
\sh1.3.109:15
\shgrmpf09:15
\shI'm really fcking nervous09:15
Lathiatamarok just crashed again :\09:22
Lathiat1.3.1 is a good idea...09:22
Lathiatthis time using arts not gstreamer so its not engine related09:22
Tm_Tuhm09:23
Tm_T:/09:23
Lathiateh ffs09:24
Lathiatcan someoen tell me sourceforges anonymous cvs root09:24
Lathiatyoud think itd be easy to find off a projects homepage09:24
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\shdecision made09:25
\sh1.3.1 will be shipped...everything else will be backported09:25
Lathiat\o/09:25
Tm_T\sh: ok, to separate backports repository?09:25
\shTm_T: there are official backports repos for ubuntu09:25
LathiatTm_T: theres backports on the main ubuntu repos09:25
Tm_Tok09:26
jpatrick1.3.1 of what?09:26
Lathiatjpatrick: amarok09:26
Tm_TamaroK09:26
Tm_Tbah, I'm old and slow09:26
jpatricknot again..09:26
jpatrick;)09:27
LathiatRiddell: mateedit 0.2 doesn't seem to work, it gets suck in some loop trying to create a session09:27
Tm_Tjpatrick: you have some issues with me?!09:27
jpatrickno09:27
Tm_Tgood09:28
Tm_Twanna hug?09:28
jpatrickdunno09:28
Tm_T:p09:29
\shRiddell: I think it's time to get my head straight...I have only beer in my flat...so I'm drinking now...and there is no fcking whisky shop in my area which is open to get some good headspoilers09:30
Tm_Thaha09:30
Tm_T\sh: I use some paina drugs now, messing my head quite well09:30
Tm_Ts/paina/pain09:31
\shTm_T: I don't take drugs...not even for pain09:31
\shonly beer or wodka09:31
\shor really good whisky/whiskey09:31
Tm_T\sh: well, a week without proper sleep and continuous pain was enough09:31
Tm_Tnow I have messy head and pains :p09:32
\shTm_T: k...that's my day rhythm since the last 3 weeks...don't worry09:32
Tm_Thaha09:32
Tm_TI know, I've been sick enough last couple years09:33
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Lathiatsigh i just started having a problem i had a long time ago that stopped me using kde bak then09:37
Lathiatsomethign is turning my master volume down constantly09:37
Lathiatand that includes the OSD coming up on screen09:37
Lathiatso it gets stuck on screen at 0% and is on top and wont go away09:37
Lathiati tried restarting X and rebooting and its still happening09:37
RiddellLathiat: remove kmilo09:38
Tm_Twtf09:38
Tm_Tah, known bug?09:38
RiddellLathiat: shame about mateedit, thanks for looking at it09:38
RiddellTm_T: no but it's the sort of thing kmilo would do09:38
LathiatRiddell: i tried 0.1.6 of mateedit too, no g oeither09:39
RiddellLathiat: what sort of hardware is that?09:39
Tm_Tah ok09:39
LathiatRiddell: i had this problem like...09:39
Lathiat4 months ago09:39
LathiatRiddell: dell inspiron 860009:39
Lathiati installed kubuntu-desktop09:39
Lathiatand it never worked from the start09:39
Riddell\sh: I missed that amarok stuff, what's the outcome?09:39
Lathiatthe livecd did tho09:39
\shRiddell: 1.3.1 will be shipped....1.3.x will be backported...09:39
Riddell\sh: was there any problem with 1.3.3?  or just being cautious09:40
\shRiddell: for me? mem leak...09:40
Riddell\sh: right.  lets stay with 1.3.1 then09:40
\shRiddell: for others some strange things with arts...but no serious problems09:40
LathiatRiddell: for me? crashed in the middle of playing a song (nothign else) 3 times in the last hour09:40
\shRiddell: but I had a really hard decision...and I think we can live with 1.3.1 for release and backport 1.3.x to breezy09:41
\shRiddell: whatever amarok guys are telling me...and whoever is bashing me for my decision09:41
\shRiddell: I hope you're agreeing with me...I'm drinking my brain out now09:42
Riddell\sh: sounds like a decision.  I'm proud of you09:42
\shRiddell: think about it like that: I know 1.3.3 is fixing many issues which were reported towards bugzilla...but now we know them and can argue...but 1.3.3 is much more a risk then a solution 09:44
\shRiddell: but u r (for me speaking) the kubuntu boss...so I don't like to decide something which is not my area..anyways...cheers09:44
LathiatRiddell: that fixed it thanks09:44
Lathiatkmilo wasnt makign any of my laptop keys work anyway09:45
Riddell\sh: by the way your amarok 1.3.1 package was uploaded as a native package 09:45
\sh amarok_1.3.1-0ubuntu1.dsc09:46
\shno ways09:46
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\shRiddell: the tar.bz2 is inside the .orig.tar.gz which I think is the right way, not to repackage the upstream source tar.bz209:48
\shbut I can be wrong, as with my decision09:48
Riddell\sh: there wasn't an orig09:48
\shoh fck...now I see it...I need new glasses09:49
\shwell...I learned a lot for dapper...believe me...09:49
\shRiddell: I never had a 6 months release cycle..and I never did so much of stuff as for ubuntu/kubuntu...09:50
\shRiddell: and I wondering that I'm really enjoying my work for this idea...but today...it scared me..more then every decision in my companies scared me09:52
\shsome people against <insert your fav. number of users of ubuntu/kubuntu here> people09:52
Riddell\sh: you've done wonderfully :)09:54
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\shRiddell: when u come to ubz...I'll wear a quilt (sp?) if you have one spare ;)09:55
jpatrickit's kilt :)09:56
\shkilt? so just like in german ;)09:57
sebasQuilty as charged then. ;-)10:00
jpatrickquilt's a type of bedding10:00
jpatrickhmm.... like in german ;)10:01
\shjpatrick: welll...a man skirt ... anybody know what I mean10:07
\shI'm just drunk10:08
Riddell\sh: ahem10:09
Riddellthe s word isn't allowed around here10:09
jpatrick:/10:10
Tm_Tsir?10:10
Tm_Tah, you meant skirt10:10
RiddellTm_T: both :)10:12
Tm_Tdamn10:12
Tm_Tand now I just wan't to say "sir skirt" :/10:13
\shRiddell: I know...so pronounce the right one...and I need one of those nifty clothes ;)10:16
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Riddellit's a kilt10:17
Riddellevery man should have one10:17
Riddellplus sporran and sgian dubh10:17
\shRiddell: pls...how much it costs? i'll pay...32/34 in levis size ;)10:18
Riddellusually at least 400 quid actually10:19
Riddellmind is second hand10:19
Riddellmine10:19
\sh400 quid?10:20
\shwhat is it in euro?10:20
Riddellyes10:20
Riddell600 euro10:20
\shWHAT?10:20
Riddellthat's what the tourists say as well10:20
jpatrickit is10:20
\shu tell me, that there is a secret currency, which is more worth then the euro?10:20
Tm_T\sh: yes10:21
Riddellscottish pounds are worth a lot more than the euro :)10:21
Tm_TRiddell: haggis!10:21
\shRiddell: moment...UK pounds are 1/2 more worth then euro...and scottish pounds are more? 10:22
RiddellTm_T: no, haggis is food not a currency10:22
Riddellirn-bru on the other hand is a currency when outside the country10:22
Tm_TRiddell: I know, but scottish .... haggis!10:22
\shdamn..so I'll come at least without pants to UBZ10:22
Riddell\sh: yes, scottish pounds are valued 10:23
Riddell\sh: yes, scottish pounds are valued slightly higher than english pounds because the english don't have 1 pound notes any more so when we use scottish pound notes in england the shop keepers give us change as if it were a 5 pound note10:23
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\shRiddell: *lol* no ways..but I know, u r not joking10:24
jpatrickRiddell: Spanish forums are been added to KubuntuForums10:24
Tonio-Riddell: I didn't want to disturb you with revuing, you may have so much to do......10:24
Riddelljpatrick: URL?10:24
\shI wonder if any shopkeeper in germany will give me change for 100 EUR when I pay in 100 DM10:24
jpatrickhttp://kubuntuforums.net10:24
RiddellTonio-: well if it's the highest app on kde-look10:24
Riddellooh, kubuntuforums.net has a new look10:25
jpatrickRiddell: we're still working on it10:25
\shRiddell: u have a spare one for UBZ? so we will go to the first BoF as "Yeah..Stan and Laurel" ? ;)10:26
Riddelljpatrick: you are involved with kubuntuforums.net?10:26
jpatrickyep10:26
jpatrickI'm a Global Moderator there10:27
Riddell\sh: I could dig up my old one if I have luggage space10:27
Riddell\sh: mako has one too10:27
RiddellI also convinced maddog to get one10:27
\shRiddell: all the kewl guys have one, it sounds10:27
\shno no no10:27
\shnot maddog10:27
Riddelljpatrick: do you know where the money from the adverts on that goes?10:27
jpatrickhosting I think10:27
\shI cheered with him in 2001 on cebit redhat party...and I never recognitzed him10:27
Riddellhow can you not recognise maddog?  he's the one who looks like father christmas10:28
\shI only wondered..."this guy, you know, but from where?"10:28
\shand then harald told me it was maddog ;)10:29
\shwell...he was all the time at the at the booth next to us :(10:30
\shwow..I'm really dizzy...another beer10:31
Tm_TI'm dizzy too, but no more pills10:32
jpatrickRiddell: From Zack: it goes to the server host10:33
Riddelljpatrick: who's that?10:33
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jpatrickZack == admin10:34
Riddellno, who's the host?10:34
opensourcehey riddell10:34
Riddellhello opensource 10:34
opensourcethe host is a friend of mine10:34
Riddellopensource: you are zack?10:34
opensourcehe pays for a dedicated server10:34
opensourceyeah10:34
Riddellopensource: cool, pleased to meet you10:34
opensourcenice to meet you as well10:34
opensourceI want you to know that the ads are only there to pay for the server10:35
opensourcethey are out of the way10:35
opensourceat the very bottom10:35
Riddellthat's all good10:35
opensourceno one really clicks on them10:35
Riddellopensource: we could probably get ubuntu to sponsor a virtual server for the forums10:35
opensourcelike today 5000 impressions $0.0010:35
opensourceaccording to google10:36
opensourcethat would be nice10:36
jpatrickis the Spainish ready yet?10:37
jpatrick;)10:37
opensourcealmost10:37
opensourcei need descriptions in spanish10:37
Riddellopensource: we'd need to show up at the community council and explain why kubuntu forums is a good idea10:37
opensourceok10:37
Riddellhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda Oct 25th 2005 at 22:00 UTC 10:37
opensourceok10:37
Riddellopensource: could you add it to the agenda with a couple of sentenses saying why kubuntu forums are the goodness10:38
opensourcethe nice part about my friends server is that there is hardly anything else on it, so the bandwidth is unlimited, and the speed is real good10:38
Riddellopensource: torrent kubuntu CDs from it :)10:38
opensourcecan do10:38
opensourceyeah, can do10:38
opensourcei just mailed out a copy of kubuntu to someone in the philipines10:41
opensourceit would be nice if people could order kubuntu cds as well10:41
opensourceor has this already been talked about10:41
Riddellit's been talked plenty10:42
Riddellwe should get shipit for LUGs and expos for breezy10:42
opensourceyeah10:42
Riddellbut not individuals, it costs a fortune10:42
\shwe should get local producers of cds for breezy10:42
opensourcethat would be nice10:43
\shbut never expect something for free10:43
jpatrickLoCo Teams?10:44
tvoRiddell: 8674 can be closed (again)10:47
Riddelltvo: what was the issue?10:47
tvoapparently he didn't change rotation after some upgrade10:47
tvoand just rotating it to normal and back to left fixed things :)10:48
\shjpatrick: I'm not relying on somebody else10:50
Riddelltvo: great, thanks for looking into it10:50
Tonio-Riddell: yakuake uploaded10:51
jpatrickRiddell: Spanish done10:52
Riddelljpatrick: want me to put it on kubuntu.org?10:55
jpatrickwould be nice :)10:56
opensourcethanks10:56
Riddelleither of you speak spanish?10:57
jpatrickI do10:57
jpatricksort of10:57
jpatrick1 year here10:57
opensourcei don't10:58
opensourcea little german and a little indonesian10:58
opensource:)10:58
Riddellhow do I say "Spanish forums are now at Kubuntu Forums"?10:58
Riddellwho's going to moderate these forums if you don't speak spanish?10:59
opensourcejpatrick10:59
jpatrickHay foros en espaol en Kubuntu Forums10:59
jpatrickRiddell: we have some people from #kubuntu-es11:00
opensourceand i will take on an additional native spanish speaker as well, if i can find some one11:00
opensourceas a moderator11:00
jpatrick'Los foros espaoles ahora estn en los foros de Kubuntu' sounds a bit better11:02
jpatrickmaybe remove the "ahora" should do11:02
jpatrickokay11:03
jpatrickgreat :)11:03
Riddellhttp://kubuntu.org/11:07
opensourcelooks good11:07
opensourcethanks11:07
RiddellTonio-: what happened to pwmanager?11:13
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RiddellTonio-: that yakuate is genius!11:28
RiddellI'm going to change the seeds right away to remove konsole and replace it with this11:29
Tonio-Riddell: I told you ;) It is a fantastic application :)11:30
Tonio-Riddell: don't know about pwmanager, apparently it is not possible to upload it....11:30
RiddellTonio-: few issues in the package though http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=77811:30
Tonio-Riddell: don't know who might resolv the problem in fact....11:30
RiddellTonio-: did dholbach get any sort of answer on what the problem was?  did he ask elmo?11:31
Tonio-I think he asked, but don't know if he got an answer....11:32
Tonio-Riddell: I'm correcting the package.11:32
Tonio-Riddell: where on earth did you find the homepage ? I searched google without any success....11:33
Riddellon the kde-apps page :)11:36
Tonio-hu ????11:37
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Tonio-Riddell: shame on me I can see ;) It wasn't there when I packaged the old version ;)11:38
Tonio-Riddell: to understand, why is that important that any file generated during the compilation gets clean by the end ?11:38
RiddellTonio-: otherwise it's hard to tell what the packager has changed and what upstream has changed11:39
Riddelleither run make -f admin/Makefile.admin  on the orig or find the clean target (cleancvs?)11:39
Tonio-I'll do11:40
Tonio-Riddell: and when you say "don't capitilise surname", I'm not sure to understand....11:40
Tonio-Riddell: understood ;)11:42
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Tonio-Riddell: tricky..... configure and makefile.in are in the orig tarball, but deleted when launching debuild11:51
Tonio-then I added autoconf and automake to regenerate this11:51
Tonio-but this way does it have to be removed at the end ?11:52
Riddellah, the files arn't added, they just end up slightly different11:54
Tonio-so ?11:54
Riddellhmm, it runs automake again randomly11:54
Riddellyeah, dunno, ask dholbach what he thinks the best thing to do it11:55
Riddellis11:55
Tonio-I quite understand that sound a bit strange to me :)11:55
Tonio-okay11:55
alleeTonio-: yakuake docbook: 'programs accept a some common command-line options' s/a some//??11:55
Riddelloops, I forgot to read the manpagae11:56
Tonio-how could I have read this.....11:56
Tonio-correcting..... should have been tired that day....11:56
=== allee wonders is the kde-qt-common option section can't be included in kdelibs or whatever and referenced/include vi &kde_qt_section;
Tonio-s/read/write11:56
Riddellallee: which section?11:57
Tonio-but to be sure I quite understand, why are those configure and makefile files deleted and regenerated ?11:57
alleeOPTIONS that explain --help* --version --authors --whatever-shared-in-all-kde-qt-apps11:57
alleeTonio-: because upstream forgot to run make -f Makefile.cvs ??????11:58
Riddellallee: seems like a sensible idea11:58
RiddellTonio-: because automake randomly decides to runitself after the ./configure. then there's another ./configure run11:58
Riddellautomake is evil like that11:59
Tonio-allee: can that be done at the very beggening of the rules file ? of in the form of a cdbs patch ?11:59
alleeafaik debian includes already this section in manpages11:59
Tonio-just to make it clean quickly :) this application HAS to be uploaded for tomorrow :)11:59
Tonio-it is fabulous12:00
alleeTonio-: I would try to unpack the orig. generated everything and add it as patches/00_upstream_forgot_to_run_makefile.cvs.diff12:00
Tonio-I'm testing12:01
allee... and bug upstream to add it to it's release script ;)12:01
Tonio-yep12:01
Riddellallee: upstream did run it, configure and makefile.in's are all there12:01
Riddellbut automake think's something is up and runs itself again12:01
=== allee will try to kill Riddell when konsole gets no seed anymore (OT ;)
Riddellallee: have you tried yakathing?  it's a konsole killer12:02
alleeRiddell: touch all Makefile.in12:02
alleeno but I don't like transparent background12:02
Riddellit's not transpoarent by default12:03

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