[12:03] <chavo> [LethAL] , ~/.kde/Autostart is the startup folder. Put your scripts in there
[12:03] <[LethAL] > Ah cool
[12:03] <orugo> hey
[12:03] <[LethAL] > Symlinks will work I assume?
[12:03] <orugo> newbie question:
[12:03] <nalioth> symlinks are great
[12:04] <orugo> what do i do when idownload a debian package
[12:04] <orugo> :(
[12:04] <nalioth> orugo: you shouldnt d/l a debian pkg
[12:04] <chavo> sure, but if you log out wiht the program running it will save your session anyway
[12:04] <orugo> ahahhaa
[12:04] <orugo> oh
[12:04] <nalioth> orugo: what program do you want?
[12:04] <orugo> amsn!
[12:04] <[LethAL] > chavo: It's Azureus... In Gnome it didn't, so I assume it won't here
[12:05] <chavo> [LethAL] , yeah the session saver might not be able to handle that, better to make a script or link
[12:05] <[LethAL] > ;)
[12:05] <[LethAL] > How do I make a symlink again?
[12:05] <[LethAL] > !lart
[12:05] <[LethAL] > gah
[12:05] <[LethAL] > !lart me
[12:05] <chavo> ln -s target link
[12:09] <_juju> how to become root
[12:10] <orugo> _juju: kubuntu doesnt uses root
[12:10] <orugo> it uses sudo
[12:10] <[LethAL] > !rootsudo
[12:10] <ubotu> it has been said that rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:10] <neema> hey everyone im back
[12:10] <neema> lol
[12:10] <[LethAL] > :)
[12:10] <neema> quick question: my time keeps screwin up
[12:10] <[LethAL] > sync it
[12:10] <_juju> thanks
[12:10] <neema> k, here is what happens though
[12:10] <neema> its right in date and time
[12:11] <neema> but on the panel it says something else
[12:11] <[LethAL] > ?
[12:11] <neema> do i need to kill the panel after i chancge it?
[12:11] <[LethAL] > Possibly
[12:11] <orugo> hey
[12:11] <orugo> when i want to download an app
[12:12] <[LethAL] > I'm off now, cya all
[12:12] <orugo> what "version" do i have to download
[12:12] <orugo> debian package?
[12:12] <orugo> no
[12:13] <chavo> orugo, always make sure the app is not available in the ubuntu repositories before looking elsewhere
[12:13] <neema> hey, really basic question... how do i unmount a ext drive>
[12:13] <neema> ?
[12:13] <orugo>                yesd chavo
[12:13] <orugo> i did that
[12:13] <chavo> ok
[12:13] <orugo> and i couldnt find AMSN :(
[12:13] <chavo> neema, umount /dev/device
[12:13] <orugo> chavo
[12:14] <orugo> you mean kynaptic
[12:14] <orugo> ?
[12:14] <chavo> orugo, yes
[12:14] <orugo> or a web package list?
[12:14] <orugo> oh
[12:14] <orugo> so i did it :(
[12:14] <neema> chavo: is there a graphical way to do it?
[12:14] <neema> oh.. pff, im stupid. rightclick; safely remove
[12:14] <neema> fuckin ibook with one button lol
[12:14] <chavo> neema, there you go :)
[12:14] <chavo> hehe
[12:14] <neema> is there anyway to enhance my trackpad?
[12:15] <neema> there is a program in OS X that lets you make a virtual button on the corner of the trackpad
[12:15] <neema> is there anything i could use in kubuntu
[12:15] <nalioth> orugo: use synaptic. dont download anything from the web
[12:16] <chavo> there's something to configure trackpads yes, I can't recall the name
[12:16] <nalioth> ubotu: tell orugo about sources
[12:16] <nalioth> ubotu: tell orugo about repos
[12:16] <chavo> amsn is available
[12:16] <orugo> i shouldnt download ANYTHING from web?
[12:16] <orugo> is available?
[12:16] <orugo> ohh
[12:16] <orugo> great!!!
[12:16] <chavo> just have to set up your sources as ubotu described
[12:17] <orugo> yes
[12:17] <orugo> im doing that
[12:17] <orugo> tks a lot
[12:17] <orugo> im a big newbie
[12:17] <orugo> :D
[12:17] <chavo> no problem
[12:17] <orugo> and thats my second DAY on kubuntu haha
[12:17] <orugo> i used mandrake xD
[12:17] <chavo> I used mandrake for years
[12:18] <orugo> kubuntu is REALLY better
[12:18] <neema> hey, what's a easy way to restart the panel?
[12:18] <chavo> and Redhat before that, my second day on Linux was a nightmare
[12:18] <orugo> linux is GREAT except for 2 things
[12:18] <chavo> neema, try this in run dialog -> dcopquit kicker && kicker
[12:19] <orugo> 1st: i dont have the SOUND apps i need (like nuendo or cubase, soundforge on windows)
[12:19] <orugo> 2st: i couldnt play fifa2000 :D
[12:19] <neema> chavo: nice it did it
[12:19] <neema> but my time is still fucked
[12:19] <chavo> neema, the time itself or the format?
[12:20] <neema> the time
[12:20] <`Nomad> ubotu: tell `Nomad about sources
[12:20] <neema> it says 10:20pm
[12:20] <neema> im in PDT
[12:20] <neema> lol
[12:20] <neema> the settings dont stick in the date and time panel
[12:20] <neema> is it a 5.10 RC bug?
[12:21] <neema> alright, i reset the time using the public time server
[12:21] <neema> and i selected the right time zone
[12:21] <neema> in the date and time settings it says 15:21
[12:21] <neema> so thats right
[12:21] <neema> but in the panel is says 10:21pm....
[12:21] <chavo> wierd
[12:22] <orugo> hey
[12:22] <orugo> chavo
[12:22] <orugo> so
[12:22] <orugo> i have the kynaptic right
[12:22] <orugo> where do i ADD re repos..
[12:23] <chavo> orugo, I don't think you can with kynaptic
[12:23] <chavo> have to edit manually or get synaptic
[12:23] <orugo> synaptic is the ubuntu version right?
[12:23] <orugo> where how can i edit manually :D
[12:24] <chavo> yes
[12:24] <orugo> where = well
[12:24] <chavo> orugo, /etc/apt/sources.list you have to be root
[12:24] <`Nomad> ubotu: tell `Nomad about wacom
[12:24] <orugo> great
[12:25] <neema> does anyone know of an advanced trackpad driver by any chance?
[12:25] <neema> i really gotta get a second button here
[12:26] <chavo> neema, afaik you can do it with the synaptics driver, I've never configured it myself though
[12:26] <neema> k
[12:26] <neema> ill try it out
[12:27] <coruja> neema: ksynaptics - A KDE application to configure Synaptics TouchPad (for kde)
[12:27] <chavo> I knew there was a tool, like I said didn't remeber the name
[12:27] <orugo> chavo: last question, i opened the source.list file .. what do i do i REPLACE the content with the ubotu's one?
[12:27] <nutate> neema: maybe it's an issue with UCT (GMT) vs your timezone
[12:27] <chavo> I'm going to install kubuntu on my laptop when breezy is final
[12:28] <orugo> hey is breezy working ok?
[12:28] <coruja> chavo: i 'discovered' it while searching synaptic clones ;)
[12:28] <neema> coruja: sweet,where can i get it
[12:28] <neema> nutate: i think it is
[12:28] <`Nomad> Any suggestions or warnign before I try to make my wacom tablet work?
[12:28] <neema> but why does it keep resetting?
[12:28] <chavo> orugo, I'm not exactly sure, it's been so long since I did it and I'm running breezy here
[12:28] <coruja> neema: it's in the repos
[12:29] <orugo> i want the new kde desktop
[12:29] <orugo> haha
[12:29] <orugo> kde 3.5
[12:29] <neema> not in the default repos i take it?
[12:30] <coruja> it's in the universe repo
[12:30] <coruja> maybe not enabled yet?
[12:31] <neema> probably not....
[12:31] <BlankB> `Nomad : I got my wacom to work yesterday but I removed it a few minutes later. It was a serial port one. I used a usb->serial converter.
[12:31] <neema> why'd 5.10 switch to adept?
[12:32] <`Nomad> BlankB: Thanks, I needed a bit of hope..  I tried this on Mandrake a while ago an dit was quite an experience. :)
[12:32] <BlankB> `Nomad : the reason I removed it was because It was too touchy on the down and I kept moving my gimp menus around without meaning too. I will try again and tweak it later.
[12:32] <juju> my display  800x600 to big, 1024x768 still big,1280x1224 to small
[12:33] <BlankB> `Nomad : I only had to add a few dozen easy lines to xorg.conf it was on 5.04
[12:33] <orugo> hey
[12:33] <orugo> how do i "become root"
[12:34] <orugo> to change the attributes of a file
[12:34] <TedLemon> orugo: sudo ...
[12:34] <BlankB> `Nomad be sure to install the "wacom-tools" package it has some good debug tools like: wacdump
[12:34] <orugo> yes but
[12:34] <orugo> i mean
[12:34] <orugo> thats in the console
[12:34] <orugo> what about the graphic interfase :P
[12:34] <TedLemon> yup.
[12:36] <orugo> can i operate like a root inn the kde?
[12:36] <neema> problem... when i try to do ./configure i get error saying no acceptabnle c complier found in $path
[12:37] <`Nomad> BkankB:  I did install the wacom-tools yes, but thanks. :)
[12:37] <`Nomad> I just plugged in my USB tablet and it works..!   No pressure sensitivity, but it worked right away.. :)
[12:37] <`Nomad> Yahoooo!
[12:38] <neema> anyone??
[12:39] <`Nomad> neema:  Install gcc an dg++
[12:39] <`Nomad> and g++
[12:39] <`Nomad> sudo apt-get install gcc g++
[12:40] <neema> alright thx
[12:40] <neema> how come there are so many updates when i run adept every day?
[12:41] <`Nomad> it<s not out officially yet, expect lots of updates still
[12:41] <`Nomad> man I need my french keyboard layout!!  :)
[12:42] <neema> nomad: when it is final, will i have to reinstall? (burn new iso) or will i be able to update to the final
[12:43] <coruja> neema: just keep updating, that's enough :)
[12:43] <estevao> hey guys
[12:44] <neema> alright thx
[12:44] <`Nomad> neema:  you may never re-install again, the updating system on ubuntu is excellent
[12:44] <estevao> When installing kubuntu, i get some error "unable to install initrd-tools, check the logs", where could be the problem?
[12:44] <neema> nomad: awesome thx. i installed gcc and g++ but now heres the error i got:
[12:45] <neema> checking for C complioer default output file name... configure: error: C complier cannot create executables
[12:45] <nalioth> neema: install "build-essential"
[12:45] <BlankB> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:46] <neema> alright thx
[12:47] <neema> k, NEXT! :)
[12:47] <neema> umm, i installed kbuntu before OS X
[12:47] <neema> will i be able to install OS X without fuckin up my kubuntu install
[12:48] <Riddell> neema: only if you have a partition spare
[12:49] <neema> of course i do :)
[12:49] <neema> but will it mess up the bootstrap and stuff?
[12:49] <neema> cuase i still want to use yaboot
[12:53] <estevao> When installing kubuntu, i get some error "unable to install initrd-tools, check the logs", where could be the problem?
[12:53] <estevao> no idea? =)
[01:00] <nalioth> neema: mac users are able to fix yaboot easily
[01:01] <nalioth> neema: dont sweat it, and continue
[01:01] <neema> alright thx
[01:01] <neema> i dunno, im kinda skeptical though
[01:01] <neema> i wanna mkae sure that kubuntu is my best choice
[01:02] <neema> cause there are so many freakin distros
[01:02] <neema> and so many wm's....
[01:02] <satafterh> I am trying to copy avi's over home networks from and xp machine to mine, I can copy most other files but error keeps coming up that it cant read the avi's. I know the avi's are good files, this is not a playing issue it is coping them over my networl, any idea's?
[01:07] <Sgep> Where can I find out what I can type w/ the Compose key?
[01:10] <`Nomad> Whenever I reboot my system shuts down instead..  Where is that set?
[01:16] <fatejudger> does anyone here use the kaffeine-mozilla plugin?
[01:16] <fatejudger> every time I use it to open up more than one piece of media it crashes
[01:17] <philipacamaniac> fatejudger: 2 media files at the same, or one after another?
[01:18] <fatejudger> one after another
[01:18] <fatejudger> for example
[01:18] <fatejudger> I was previewing the tracks of an album on amazon.com
[01:18] <fatejudger> I listened to one sample and go to click on another
[01:19] <fatejudger> and firefox just closes
[01:19] <fatejudger> without any warning or anything
[01:20] <philipacamaniac> fatejudger: I had a similar problem with the kaffeine-mozilla package in hoary, but I'm at apple.com/quicktime now, and not having any issues loading one trailer after another
[01:20] <fatejudger> go to amazon.com and try what I did
[01:20] <philipacamaniac> doing
[01:20] <fatejudger> are you using breezy?
[01:20] <philipacamaniac> what player do you choose? (breezy:yes)
[01:20] <fatejudger> kaffeine
[01:20] <fatejudger> you have to use kaffeine
[01:20] <fatejudger> there isn't another plugin for a different player
[01:20] <philipacamaniac> no i mean, doesn't amazon ask for a player?
[01:20] <fatejudger> just use windows media
[01:20] <philipacamaniac> ok
[01:20] <fatejudger> you did get the codecs didn't you?
[01:21] <philipacamaniac> oh yeah
[01:21] <fatejudger> I still haven't dist-upgrade (ed) yet
[01:21] <fatejudger> or is it update
[01:21] <fatejudger> I forget
[01:21] <philipacamaniac> well, you may want to see a bug I filed for the package then
[01:21] <philipacamaniac> dist-upgrade
[01:22] <philipacamaniac> the hoary kaffeine-mozilla never got fixed
[01:22] <fatejudger> I want to wait until breezy is on the final version before I upgrade
[01:22] <fatejudger> but the breezy one did?
[01:22] <philipacamaniac> checking now...
[01:22] <juju> For a new release is being very pain full.resolution does not work, and to start firefox there is a window asking that can not find /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/index.html
[01:22] <philipacamaniac> fatejudger: DOH!
[01:22] <philipacamaniac> hold on
[01:23] <philipacamaniac> firefox crashes every time
[01:24] <philipacamaniac> but i'm using the default gstreamer engine - I'm about to switch to xine to see if there is a difference
[01:24] <juju> no I jusk click ok on that window and fire fox open ok
[01:24] <Sgep> That reminds me, can I use xine from the command line somehow?
[01:25] <fatejudger> xine [filename]  ?
[01:25] <fatejudger> I've never tried
[01:25] <fatejudger> I think you have to use a frontend
[01:25] <fatejudger> I know mplayer has a non-gui version
[01:25] <philipacamaniac> man xie
[01:25] <philipacamaniac> whoops
[01:25] <philipacamaniac> man xine
[01:25] <philipacamaniac> hmm
[01:26] <Sgep> Is there a command-line frontend?
[01:26] <philipacamaniac> hehe
[01:27] <philipacamaniac> having xine engines and frontends doesn't always mean you have xine
[01:28] <fatejudger> philipacamaniac: are you checking the breezy bug reports to find out about the kaffeine-mozilla plugin?
[01:28] <philipacamaniac> not yet, but they wouldn't be in bugzilla - they'd be in malone for universe bugs
[01:29] <philipacamaniac> fatejudger: okay, firefox crashed after clicking the second song
[01:29] <philipacamaniac> so the problem hasn't been fixed
[01:29] <fatejudger> well this is stupid
[01:29] <fatejudger> who's in charge of the kaffeine-mozilla project?
[01:29] <philipacamaniac> btw, I've been using konqueror for everything but gmail
[01:29] <philipacamaniac> that's a real good question
[01:30] <fatejudger> I can't stand konqueror
[01:30] <philipacamaniac> me neither
[01:30] <philipacamaniac> :)
[01:31] <fatejudger> it uses a non-standard engine to render pages
[01:31] <fatejudger> firefox is great with compatibility
[01:31] <fatejudger> I wish that it was more tied in with the OS though, similar to Win-Firefox
[01:31] <fatejudger> in the Windows version you can actually manage the extensions
[01:32] <fatejudger> doesn't it do the same with Gnome?
[01:32] <Rogue_Jedi_X> We hear ya, brudda!
[01:32] <philipacamaniac> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/kaffeine-mozilla/+bug/440
[01:32] <philipacamaniac> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/kaffeine/+bug/3032
[01:33] <fatejudger> I wonder if you could just edit the about:config instead of using kaffeine-mozilla
[01:34] <fatejudger> I don't think that second bug is related to this
[01:34] <philipacamaniac> no, i just saw it and think "that sucks"
[01:35] <fatejudger> did you just submit that first bug?
[01:35] <philipacamaniac> no, look at the date - April 2005, when Hoary was first released
[01:38] <fatejudger> wait
[01:38] <fatejudger> you submitted that bug back then?
[01:38] <philipacamaniac> fatejudger: yep. I'm seeing that this may be upstream: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=326419
[01:38] <fatejudger> I thought you had to use xine with Kaffeine
[01:39] <fatejudger> holy shit
[01:39] <fatejudger> that output is crazy
[01:39] <fatejudger> I wonder if there kaffeine-mozilla source somewhere
[01:40] <fatejudger> I'm not very experienced with programming
[01:40] <fatejudger> but I might be able to fix it
[01:40] <philipacamaniac> fatejudger: in breezy, kaffeine uses gstreamer by default
[01:40] <philipacamaniac> I'm a lookin'
[01:40] <xyz> can i get the live cd and install it if i happend to like it ?
[01:41] <crimsun> no
[01:41] <philipacamaniac> xyz: that was a goal, but I don't beleive it was ever constructed, so no
[01:41] <crimsun> you'll install from the install cd
[01:41] <fatejudger> philipacamaniac: oh, so you had to change it back to the old style to get it to crash
[01:41] <xyz> you can install knoppix !?
[01:41] <fatejudger> philipacamaniac: so if I upgrade to breezy, it'll go away
[01:41] <fatejudger> philipacamaniac: right?
[01:42] <philipacamaniac> fatejudger: as long as you stick with gstreamer
[01:42] <philipacamaniac> lemme check one more time
[01:42] <fatejudger> philipacamaniac: I guess I can live with this until the final iso comes out for breezy
[01:43] <fatejudger> I had to manually install alsa 1.0.9,  so I don't know if it'll be compatible with the packaged version if I dist-upgrade
[01:44] <crimsun> you should do a clean install then.
[01:44] <fatejudger> yeah, I want to make sure I have only packages
[01:44] <fatejudger> I hate make install
[01:44] <crimsun> it's a bad idea to clobber the ALSA infrastructure that we have
[01:44] <philipacamaniac> checkinstall is your friend
[01:44] <fatejudger> yeah, I know
[01:44] <fatejudger> but I couldn't checkinstall alsa
[01:44] <fatejudger> it wouldn't let me
[01:44] <philipacamaniac> or saving sources, and doing make uninstall
[01:44] <fatejudger> and I had to have 1.0.9
[01:45] <fatejudger> or my sound wouldn't work
[01:45] <crimsun> what sound chipset?
[01:45] <fatejudger> Sound Blaster Live
[01:45] <fatejudger> it was crackley
[01:45] <fatejudger> but when I upgraded it sounded great
[01:45] <philipacamaniac> okay, kaffeine-mozilla is maintained by the kaffeine author at http://kaffeine.sourceforge.net/
[01:45] <crimsun> I doubt you needed 1.0.9
[01:45] <xyz> how secure is kubuntu ?
[01:45] <fatejudger> crimsun: why do you say that?
[01:46] <fatejudger> crimsun: it wasn't working before, and when I upgraded it worked
[01:46] <crimsun> you could have used alsa-source from universe, which is 1.0.8 and contains most of the sampling rate fixes that were committed
[01:46] <xyz> do you belive in security thru anonimty ?
[01:46] <philipacamaniac> xyz: there are no running services on a default installation of kubuntu, meaning very secure
[01:46] <fatejudger> crimsun: well I guess I didn't know about that then...
[01:46] <crimsun> fatejudger: and now you do.
[01:46] <philipacamaniac> xyz: rather, no running network services, like ssh, ftp, and the like
[01:46] <philipacamaniac> tight as a whistle
[01:47] <fatejudger> kaffeine is embedded now?
[01:47] <xyz> whats that suposed to make it safer ?
[01:47] <xyz> LOL
[01:47] <fatejudger> crimsun: well that's dumb, now I have to reinstall linux
[01:47] <fatejudger> crimsun: and wait for the final iso to come out... I don't trust that RC release
[01:48] <fatejudger> RC release... that was redundant
[01:48] <xyz> do you belive in security thru anonimity ?
[01:49] <xyz> do you ?
[01:49] <crimsun> fatejudger: you don't _have_ to reinstall. You just need to _remove_ the ALSA driver that you compiled.
[01:49] <fatejudger> xyz: I believe security kicks ass!
[01:49] <fatejudger> crimsun: well how do I "_remove_" the alsa driver?
[01:49] <crimsun> xyz: I believe it has its moments, but as a common paradigm, it's dangerous.
[01:49] <fatejudger> I erased the sources
[01:49] <xyz> fatejudger: i bellieve you to be an idiot
[01:49] <crimsun> fatejudger: make uninstall after reconfiguring the sources.
[01:50] <fatejudger> crimsun: I can do that?
[01:50] <crimsun> fatejudger: yes.
[01:50] <fatejudger> does anyone know how to clear that apt-get cache that saves all of those .deb files after you install the packages
[01:50] <fatejudger> ?
[01:51] <fatejudger> I tried "autoclean", but that erased only 3 packages
[01:51] <_mike> sudo apt-get clean
[01:51] <fatejudger> wow, is there anything apt can't do?
[01:51] <xyz>  sudo apt-get purge 
[01:51] <fatejudger> oh crap
[01:52] <fatejudger> which one is it?
[01:52] <fatejudger> I Just did the first one
[01:52] <philipacamaniac> clean will do the trick
[01:52] <fatejudger> ok
[01:52] <philipacamaniac> Has anyone compiled amarok from SVN?
[01:52] <xyz> can apt kick your ass ?
[01:52] <fatejudger> no, but I can
[01:52] <crimsun> autoclean does not remove what you have if it matches the installed version
[01:53] <xyz> you kick your owne ass 
[01:53] <crimsun> clean is an unconditional removal
[01:53] <fatejudger> crimsun: oh, okay, I get it
[01:53] <xyz> LOL
[01:53] <fatejudger> xyz: did you just laugh at your own joke?
[01:53] <xyz> SO WHAT PURGE MEANS ?
[01:54] <philipacamaniac> ?
[01:54] <_mike> never used purge
[01:54] <crimsun> --purge is a remove modifier
[01:54] <xyz> i all ways LOL at my jokes
[01:54] <crimsun> there is no purge operation for apt-get
[01:54] <fatejudger> crimsun: I also installed that nvidia driver from the website
[01:54] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Where do you house that enourmous ego of yours?
[01:54] <xyz> whats a remove modifier ?
[01:54] <fatejudger> crimsun: do you know how to get rid of that too?
[01:54] <Abysmal> what is the root password?
[01:55] <crimsun> !tell Abysmal about root
[01:55] <fatejudger> I love bots
[01:55] <crimsun> fatejudger: that's messier to clean up. You'll need to manually remove the symlinks and the driver.
[01:55] <fatejudger> oh great, I might as well format then
[01:56] <crimsun> the installer will do that for you
[01:56] <xyz> Rogue_Jedi_X: insid my tiny body 
[01:56] <fatejudger> crimsun: do what for me?
[01:56] <Hobbsee> morning all
[01:56] <crimsun> xyz: it's what you pass to remove, like --purge remove
[01:56] <xyz> sure sure 
[01:56] <xyz> but whats it for ?
[01:56] <philipacamaniac> Hobbsee: good afternoon to you
[01:56] <crimsun> fatejudger: the "formatting"
[01:56] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:57] <fatejudger> crimsun: oh yeah, I get that
[01:57] <crimsun> xyz: it purges conffiles
[01:57] <Hobbsee> enough updates for breezy today lol
[01:57] <xyz> thats an anser :-)
[01:57] <Hobbsee> 118 of them
[01:57] <fatejudger> how long until the breezy final comes out?
[01:57] <philipacamaniac> oct 13
[01:57] <xyz> isnt it dapper ?
[01:57] <fatejudger> I didn't know they set a date
[01:57] <philipacamaniac> thursday by my calendar
[01:58] <Hobbsee> no, dapper's in april next year
[01:58] <crimsun> dapper doesn't open until after breezy freezes.
[01:58] <fatejudger> no, dapper is the one they're working on now
[01:58] <The_Vox> fatejudger: tentative date
[01:58] <Hobbsee> yeah, thurs here
[01:58] <crimsun> fatejudger: no, that'd be breezy.
[01:58] <philipacamaniac> if if chokes and dies on wednesday, they'll push back the date
[01:58] <xyz> so if theyr working on daper why isnt brezzy released allready ?
[01:58] <Hobbsee> no one's running dapper yet
[01:58] <crimsun> there is no dapper.
[01:58] <Hobbsee> i dont think they are in particular
[01:59] <Hobbsee> working on it, that is
[01:59] <philipacamaniac> there is no spoon (sorry)
[01:59] <crimsun> breezy hasn't frozen, so it's not possible for dapper to exist.
[01:59] <Hobbsee> i think there's a page of dapper goals, but not much else
[01:59] <matrix> i want to play a whole dir with videos with mplayer but some have a corrupt format it cant play. how can i make it skip errors and switch to next instead of shutting down?
[01:59] <fatejudger> if you run konqueror as root and delete files, does it send them to some root "trash bin" or permanently delete them?
[01:59] <philipacamaniac> fatejudger: depends on how konqueror is set up for root, but it should send them to a root trashbin
[01:59] <philipacamaniac> i think
[02:00] <Hobbsee> there is a root trashbin?
[02:00] <fatejudger> how do I purge the root trashbin?
[02:00] <xyz> any one using JAP or TOR ?
[02:00] <xyz> wich is better ?
[02:00] <fatejudger> philipacamaniac: and where is it located?
[02:00] <xyz> can i used both ?
[02:01] <philipacamaniac> fatejudger: I may have been mistaken. that's how it was on slackware.
[02:01] <`Nomad> what are JAP and TOR?
[02:01] <Hobbsee> oh good!  we've got thunderbird 1.0.7!
[02:01] <fatejudger> philipacamaniac: well where is a user trashbin located?
[02:01] <Hobbsee> trash: 
[02:01] <fatejudger> the actual location
[02:02] <Hobbsee> yeah, it's shown as trash:
[02:02] <xyz> `Nomad: whats a `doing in your nick ?
[02:02] <philipacamaniac> that's the ioslave
[02:02] <fatejudger> yeah, but what's the ACTUAL location
[02:02] <fatejudger> it isn't just in some random place called trash:/
[02:02] <fatejudger> it's in the user directory somewhere
[02:02] <Hobbsee> lol true
[02:02] <Hobbsee> somewhere
[02:02] <xyz> is TOR and JAP in uibuntu ?
[02:03] <`Nomad> it's a growth.. We don't talk about it..
[02:03] <fatejudger> holy crap
[02:03] <fatejudger> I've found the actual trash
[02:03] <philipacamaniac> :)
[02:03] <philipacamaniac> whar?
[02:03] <fatejudger> usrfolder/.local/share/Trash/files
[02:03] <fatejudger> nothing is ever deleted!
[02:04] <philipacamaniac> hmm
[02:04] <fatejudger> everything I've ever put in the trash is still there
[02:04] <fatejudger> this is total crap
[02:04] <Hobbsee> you dont go and empty your trash?
[02:04] <fatejudger> 1.3 GB of stuff
[02:04] <philipacamaniac> mines empty
[02:04] <fatejudger> of course I empty my trash
[02:04] <`Nomad> mine,s empty too
[02:04] <philipacamaniac> Hoary vs. Breezy again, eh?
[02:04] <fatejudger> "/home/usrfolder/.local/share/Trash/files"
[02:05] <fatejudger> and nothing is in there for you guys?
[02:05] <philipacamaniac> nada
[02:05] <Hobbsee> mine's empty, but i just emptied it via trash:/ anyway
[02:06] <fatejudger> well this is really stupid
[02:06] <fatejudger> I wonder what's going on
[02:07] <fatejudger> is there a way to remove all files in a folder without erasing the folder?
[02:07] <fatejudger> in the command line of course
[02:08] <Hobbsee> cd to the folder, and remove *.*?
[02:08] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: there are directories in there too
[02:08] <fatejudger> how do I remove those along with it
[02:08] <fatejudger> ?
[02:09] <Hobbsee> why not use konqueror and do it that way?
[02:09] <fatejudger> I can't
[02:09] <fatejudger> it just moves it to the trash
[02:09] <Hobbsee> and i would expect everything would go, with that
[02:09] <Xorlev> Hoary v. Breezy! Fight! Oooh nasty hit, Hoary has just touted its superior mouse support. Breezy counter attacks with sound by default!
[02:09] <Hobbsee> then you empty the trash...
[02:09] <Hobbsee> superior mouse support?  which mouse would you be trying to use?
[02:11] <Xorlev> Breezy just doesn't do my mouse right for some reason. I tried both PS/2 and my USB Optical. Both work, and move around, but for a while it won't click UI elements right.
[02:11] <Hobbsee> weird!
[02:11] <Xorlev> Indeed
[02:12] <Xorlev> Then when I was just using it, the problem went away for the rest of my session, but came back after reboot.
[02:12] <Xorlev> Same problems both GNOME and KDE.
[02:22] <phoenixbyrd> how do u mount an iso?
[02:22] <DaSkreech> mount
[02:22] <DaSkreech> phoenixbyrd: Know how to use man?
[02:23] <crimsun> sudo modprobe loop && sudo mount -o loop some.iso /some_point
[02:23] <DaSkreech> Not nearly as fun as right clicking huh?
[02:24] <phoenixbyrd> DaSkreech: nowhere near as fun!
[02:24] <phoenixbyrd> right clicking <3
[02:25] <DaSkreech> There is a right click mount ISO hack for KDE I had lying around
[02:25] <DaSkreech> Recognized .nrg as well
[02:25] <phoenixbyrd> cool lol
[02:25] <Hobbsee> havent tried mounting an iso before, what do you want to do it for?
[02:26] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: It's very easy
[02:26] <Hobbsee> i see that, but why do you want to?
[02:28] <phoenixbyrd> I needed to get at a pkg file that's got source code I need for another OS
[02:31] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[02:31] <kurtbec> anyone no why mouse themes seem to not work when in firefox?
[02:32] <Riddell> kurtbec: hoary or breezy?
[02:32] <kurtbec> breezy
[02:33] <propagandhi> anybody using metabar
[02:33] <Hobbsee> confirming the mouse themes not working in breezy - it's really quite odd seeing my black mouse that's normally white!
[02:34] <phoenixbyrd> maybe firefox is racist and don't like white mice?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> lol...posibly
[02:38] <Sgep> Will the PyKDE dependency issues be resolved in breezy?
[02:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell, kurtbec: the mouse themes also dont work in thunderbird, if that helps
[02:38] <philipacamaniac> I noticed the firefox mouse business awhile ago. Can anyone confirm that the behavior does not exist in Gnome as well?
[02:38] <DaSkreech> Gimmie a sec
[02:38] <Riddell> mouse themes are a pain
[02:38] <Hobbsee> however mouse theme does exist in synaptic, so it shouldnt just be all gnome apps not working
[02:39] <philipacamaniac> Firefox/Thunderbird aren;t really Gnome
[02:39] <Hobbsee> i thougth they were built with gtk, and not qt
[02:39] <philipacamaniac> they are GTK, but require extra hacking to get Gnome integration
[02:40] <philipacamaniac> which is what Ubuntu did
[02:40] <Hobbsee> ah right
[02:40] <Hobbsee> oh, so that's why they're modified!
[02:40] <Hobbsee> that makes sense
[02:40] <philipacamaniac> A lot like Scribus, a QT app, but not a KDE app. Frustrating and stupid.
[02:40] <philipacamaniac> Inkonsistent.
[02:41] <Riddell> ff and thunderbird and XUL not GTK (XUL just happens to use GTK)
[02:41] <philipacamaniac> that's right
[02:42] <philipacamaniac> I'm sure this was mentioned earlier, but 243 package upgrades? Good grief! My 802.11b is struggling...
[02:43] <Hobbsee> philipacamaniac: when did you last upgrade?
[02:43] <philipacamaniac> yesterday
[02:43] <Hobbsee> mine was only 118 this morning, or are you using gnome as well?
[02:43] <philipacamaniac> I have a lot of universe and kde packages. sigh.
[02:44] <philipacamaniac> not using gnome.
[02:44] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:44] <Hobbsee> true, and all the kde ones seem to be updating, which is nice
[02:44] <philipacamaniac> to 3.4.3
[02:44] <DaSkreech> Well .... 3.5 maybe?
[02:44] <philipacamaniac> :)
[02:44] <philipacamaniac> no
[02:45] <Hobbsee> no, not 3.4.3 here
[02:45] <Hobbsee> using 3.5 beta here
[02:45] <philipacamaniac> well, default is now 3.4.3
[02:45] <Hobbsee> true
[02:45] <Hobbsee> ah, yes so yours are updating, which is why mine didnt...i clearly need some coke
[02:48] <Abysmal> if i want to update from ubuntu to kubuntu and I currently have 5.04 installed should I upgrade to ubuntu 5.10 first then install the desktop??
[02:49] <Hobbsee> did you want to keep the gnome apps?
[02:49] <DaSkreech> Ok
[02:49] <DaSkreech> Can I remove all the programs in my KDE menu?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: or just remove your entire kmenu
[02:51] <DaSkreech> No I want to remove the programs
[02:51] <DaSkreech> Then re add
[02:51] <Hobbsee> the long way would be to delete them all in kmenueditor
[02:51] <Hobbsee> but there should be a shorter way if you can find the configuration file
[02:52] <Abysmal> sure..
[02:52] <Abysmal> is telnet/ssh diabled by default??
[02:52] <philipacamaniac> Abysmal: yes
[02:53] <Abysmal> how does one activate it...
[02:53] <Hobbsee> Abysmal: you can do it in either order, but probably upgrade to 5.10 first
[02:53] <Hobbsee> Abysmal: saves you downloading kde 3.4.2 in hoary, then 3.4.3 in breezy (unless they did put 3.4.3 in hoary as well)
[02:53] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: I don't want to remove them from the menu I want to purge them from the system :-)
[02:54] <Hobbsee> ah....
[02:54] <Hobbsee> remove kubuntu-desktop then?
[02:54] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: As far as I know that removes the fake package but leaves the dependcies
[02:54] <philipacamaniac> Hobbsee: that won't get rid of the apps
[02:54] <DaSkreech> Or am I wrong?
[02:55] <philipacamaniac> it is a metapackage - just a list
[02:55] <philipacamaniac> It would be cool if it worked in reverse
[02:55] <DaSkreech> philipacamaniac: can I apt-get remove something and get rid of everything that depends on it
[02:55] <Hobbsee> doesnt it?  oh yes, you have to remove kde-libs
[02:55] <DaSkreech> No wait
[02:55] <Hobbsee> yes, kde-base or kde-libs
[02:55] <DaSkreech> That it depends on
[02:55] <Hobbsee> it's one of them
[02:55] <DaSkreech> L(
[02:55] <DaSkreech> Guess I'll just do it manually
[02:56] <philipacamaniac> if you remove kdelibs , all your kde apps will be removed
[02:56] <DaSkreech> If the majority of KDE apps are in the menu that would be acceptable
[02:57] <DaSkreech> reinstalling kubuntu-desktop would be a clean install of breezy right?
[02:57] <DaSkreech> Or breezy apps
[02:58] <philipacamaniac> basically, although it would help to have a fresh home directory before you did that
[02:58] <philipacamaniac> for a truly clean breezy install
[02:58] <DaSkreech> Well I just installed hoary then updated to breezy
[02:58] <DaSkreech> The menus are a mess now
[02:58] <DaSkreech> Really ugly
[02:59] <DaSkreech> They look like Knoppix or a Default KDE install
[02:59] <Hobbsee> there's always the option of downloading a daily cd and installing from that, if you prefer
[02:59] <DaSkreech> Trying to play breezy off as focused or polished is impossible when it looks like that
[02:59] <philipacamaniac> I believe that happens when you install kde-utils
[03:00] <DaSkreech> Naw by the time that gets downloaded Breezy will be here and I have the debs from a lot of the apps already here
[03:00] <Hobbsee> lol right
[03:01] <philipacamaniac> try remove kdeutils
[03:01] <DaSkreech> ok
[03:01] <philipacamaniac> and reinstalling kubuntu-default-settings
[03:02] <DaSkreech> that only removes kdeutils
[03:02] <philipacamaniac> yes, which is most of the extra entries
[03:02] <DaSkreech> can I remove it and all dependencies
[03:02] <philipacamaniac> yes
[03:02] <philipacamaniac> I mean, only if you want to remove all those things
[03:03] <DaSkreech> I'm doing it from command line and it says will remove one package 54 k
[03:03] <philipacamaniac> it is a universe package
[03:03] <philipacamaniac> doh!
[03:04] <philipacamaniac> well, then remove whatever apps you don't want manually. sorry. :)
[03:04] <Abysmal> so how does one het telnet to work so I can do my upgrade from my windows box??
[03:04] <philipacamaniac> !tell Abysmal about ssh
[03:05] <Abysmal> thanks..
[03:06] <Abysmal> i have just finished d/ling and buring kubuntu 5.10 would it be easier just to reinstall instead of the upgrade??
[03:06] <DaSkreech> Oh I hopethey change the artwork
[03:07] <DaSkreech> The one I have here is terrible
[03:07] <philipacamaniac> Abysmal: a clean reinstall wouldn't hurt, but dist-upgrade is functioning well
[03:08] <Abysmal> i'll take the safe route.. and do a clean install...
[03:08] <Abysmal> !ask about apache
[03:08] <ubotu> Abysmal: Are you on ritalin?
[03:08] <philipacamaniac> DaSkreech: which artwork? desktop background, bootsplash screen, login screen, or KDE splash screen.
[03:08] <philipacamaniac> !apache
[03:08] <ubotu> well, apache is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP or, for Ubuntu server information, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/installation-custom
[03:08] <DaSkreech> Login screen and Bootsplash
[03:09] <DaSkreech> Wait not Bootsplash
[03:09] <DaSkreech> KDE splash
[03:09] <philipacamaniac> I think they look nice. pfft!
[03:09] <philipacamaniac> :)
[03:10] <DaSkreech> Really?
[03:10] <DaSkreech> I was kinda shocked by it
[03:10] <Hobbsee> kde splash seems rather dark
[03:10] <DaSkreech> I'm in a room of designers and they were all disappointed
[03:10] <philipacamaniac> wait - is it a dark blue
[03:10] <DaSkreech> ???
[03:10] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[03:10] <DaSkreech> very
[03:10] <Hobbsee> that's the boot splash, isnt it?
[03:11] <DaSkreech> With all the icons across being the same
[03:11] <Abysmal> anyone here runninh 5.10 as a server??
[03:11] <philipacamaniac> no, that's the hideous default KDE
[03:11] <philipacamaniac> Kubuntu's is much nicer
[03:11] <DaSkreech> Oh Thank goodness
[03:11] <Hobbsee> lol...definetly nicer
[03:11] <philipacamaniac> DaSkreech: your kubuntu-default-settings kinda borked.
[03:11] <DaSkreech> I hope so
[03:11] <DaSkreech> This dist-upgrade nearly put me in the hospital
[03:12] <philipacamaniac> i guess that's in kubuntu-default-artwork
[03:12] <philipacamaniac> lemme check
[03:12] <satafterh> dist-upgrade went as smooth as can be for me
[03:12] <philipacamaniac> no, kubuntu-default-settings is it
[03:13] <satafterh> kubunut rocks, i just hope they dont start charging for it, lol
[03:13] <DaSkreech> satafterh: They never will
[03:13] <philipacamaniac> DaSkreech: this is freaky, but make a backup ~/.kde and then remove ~/.kde, then sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-default-settings
[03:13] <DaSkreech> Thats a promise from Microsof...
[03:13] <DaSkreech> Wait
[03:13] <DaSkreech> ok
[03:13] <philipacamaniac> ~/.kde is the same as $HOME/.kde
[03:17] <philipacamaniac> has anyone compiled amarok from SVN?
[03:17] <DaSkreech> philipacamaniac: --reinstall?
[03:17] <`Nomad> I'm stomped by somethign very stupid.. Whenever I do a reboot, command line or through the menu choices, my PC shutsdown.  That<s a new one on me.  It even does it if I do a shutdown -r now  
[03:18] <Octane> any devs here?
[03:18] <DaSkreech> `Nomad: What happens if you do a init 6?
[03:18] <Octane> anyone know if 3.5 packages will be available for amd64?
[03:18] <philipacamaniac> DaSkreech: yeah, it reinstalls a package that is already installed
[03:18] <Abysmal> hey.. the standard install doesn't contain any server apps like apache, ssh or mysql right??
[03:19] <DaSkreech> philipacamaniac: It's telling me invalid operation kubuntu-default-settings
[03:19] <`Nomad> DaSkreech.:  Goo dquestion..  By teh way, teh runlevels are different than what I'm used to. .  is 2 teh default runlevel?
[03:19] <DaSkreech> Abysmal: Nope
[03:19] <Hobbsee> Octane: when they're compiled, sometime after breezy
[03:19] <DaSkreech> `Nomad: Nope 5
[03:19] <philipacamaniac> DaSkreech: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-default-settings --reinstall"
[03:19] <Octane> Hobbsee: cuz i know i386 users got it
[03:19] <`Nomad> ok.. maybe that's it.. my inittab shows 2 as teh default
[03:19] <DaSkreech> philipacamaniac: Ah Brilliant :)
[03:20] <Abysmal> is there a default firewall installed??
[03:20] <philipacamaniac> no need on the default install
[03:20] <Hobbsee> Octane: yeah, they're looking at doing it after breezy release I recall, as all their energy is going into breezy, which is soon to be released
[03:20] <DaSkreech> Abysmal: nope You can install firestarter
[03:20] <philipacamaniac> Abysmal: you can install ssh, apache, mysql and iptables (firewall backend) easily from apt-get
[03:20] <Hobbsee> or guarddog
[03:20] <DaSkreech> Abysmal: There is no need if you are not running servers but firestarer gives good ease of mind
[03:20] <Abysmal> i really don't need on.. I have a hardware router/firewall.. so I'm happy its not installed..
[03:21] <`Nomad> Woof.. I'm tired, I had set it to 6.. Good thing I went back to check.. Lol
[03:21] <`Nomad> I think my new installation is all set, all I miss now is a docker, either ksmoothdock or kdocker
[03:21] <philipacamaniac> so who wants to take bets as to how many more times they'll repackage the kernel before thursday?
[03:21] <DaSkreech> `Nomad: Hope you have Grub :)
[03:21] <DaSkreech> philipacamaniac: I'm thinking three
[03:22] <philipacamaniac> DaSkreech: yeah 3 or 2
[03:22] <Octane> Hobbsee: okay man thanks
[03:22] <`Nomad> I think I'm going to stop updating every 5 minutes until it's out now
[03:22] <DaSkreech> Whee
[03:23] <philipacamaniac> DaSkreech: how does your artwork look now
[03:23] <DaSkreech> The artwork is Kubuntu
[03:23] <Abysmal> are ubuntu and kubuntu the same group??
[03:23] <DaSkreech> Abysmal: No
[03:23] <Hobbsee> you can change it though
[03:23] <DaSkreech> I know
[03:24] <DaSkreech> I have to get rid ofthe menus first
[03:24] <philipacamaniac> Abysmal: Kubuntu is a sister-project of Ubuntu, they share the same base and many developers
[03:24] <philipacamaniac> and the same servers and build-tools
[03:24] <Abysmal> so its not funded like ubuntu..
[03:25] <DaSkreech> philipacamaniac: The Ubuntu base is well built and can serve both projects
[03:25] <philipacamaniac> Abysmal: uh, well it sorta is - if anyone was getting paid for it
[03:25] <philipacamaniac> Canonical supports both
[03:25] <philipacamaniac> Jonathan and the Kubuntu devels are as much of the Ubuntu community as anyone else
[03:26] <Abysmal> i was thinking more of the shipit stuff.. its a shame its not for both..
[03:26] <philipacamaniac> That was for hoary - I think Breezy might get both (don't quote me on that, though)
[03:26] <Abysmal> that would be cool..
[03:26] <philipacamaniac> maybe they didn't do shipit for kubuntu because that would be WAY to popular
[03:27] <Abysmal> any idea who is paying for the ubuntu cd's to be distro'ed??
[03:27] <philipacamaniac> Abysmal: Mark Shuttleworth
[03:28] <philipacamaniac> (sabdfl on IRC, if you can find him)
[03:28] <DaSkreech> Thats a strange name to have
[03:29] <sproingie> i get bdfl ... what's the sa stand for?
[03:29] <crimsun> self-appointed
[03:29] <sproingie> ah
[03:29] <philipacamaniac> what's bdfl
[03:29] <Hobbsee> what's teh bdfl for?
[03:29] <Abysmal> i was gonna say.. there has to be a catch.. but after reading his bio quick.. he can afford it.. nice to see someone doing something like that..
[03:29] <sproingie> benevolent dictator for life
[03:29] <philipacamaniac> :)
[03:30] <Hobbsee> ah right
[03:30] <philipacamaniac> yeah, I was just noticing a site today that had Thawte verification, and was like, hey, sabdfl came up with that
[03:30] <`Nomad> This is my first time using konversation, I'm used to having a list of IRC servers come with it.. Why isn't there one with konversation?  And any idea how I could easily bring one in?
[03:30] <DaSkreech> hi nalioth
[03:31] <philipacamaniac> `Nomad: irc.freenode.net is the most common for the Ubuntu communities
[03:32] <Hobbsee> hit F2 and add the servers you want to connect to
[03:32] <Hobbsee> if that helps at all
[03:32] <philipacamaniac> keyboard shortcuts = blessing from programming heaven
[03:33] <nalioth> howdy
[03:33] <sproingie> ksirc is pretty bad, kvirc is dreadful, and konversation is nice, but crashes all the time
[03:33] <sproingie> and doesn't support conference mode
[03:33] <nalioth> the new kvirc (the one you build yourself) is ok
[03:33] <Hobbsee> really? i've yet to have konversation crash here
[03:33] <Hobbsee> ever
[03:33] <philipacamaniac> konversation 0.18 using 3.4.3 is very stable here
[03:33] <sproingie> did all the time for me.  some kind of bug with the input bar
[03:34] <sproingie> it would get to a state where the keys you typed would be "out of sync", to describe it pithily. if you backspaced all the way back, it would crash immediately
[03:35] <philipacamaniac> ugh
[03:35] <philipacamaniac> I'm waiting for someone to develop a QT XUL implementation
[03:35] <sproingie> obvious off-by-one addressing bug of some sort in the text entry widget.  konversation's the only app that does it though
[03:35] <Flying_Eagle> "All-Things-KDE addiction" lol. i got that one, too. :)
[03:35] <Abysmal> damn... I just got an install failure..
[03:36] <philipacamaniac> Flying_Eagle: it's serious - I need to probably go to KA (kdeaholics anonymous)
[03:36] <cristian> hpoo
[03:36] <DaSkreech> philipacamaniac: I opened adept and removed kdelibs and it got rid of KDE like you said
[03:36] <sproingie> i use plastikfox/crystal in firefox, so chatzilla looks pretty much like kde to me
[03:36] <DaSkreech> The first application it removed was adept :-)
[03:37] <sproingie> and the qt theme engine for gtk apps.  not that that can make gnome's file selector any less braindead, unfortunately
[03:37] <philipacamaniac> DaSkreech: heh! you don't need adept to continue. Use a terminal.
[03:37] <philipacamaniac> DaSkreech: CTRL-ALT-F2
[03:37] <DaSkreech> philipacamaniac: Oh Adept is removing everything else I think it's really funny that the first application it decides to nuke is itself
[03:37] <philipacamaniac> DaSkreech: CTRL-ALT-F7 to get back to X
[03:38] <philipacamaniac> yeah, but you should get a clean install
[03:38] <Abysmal> what is adept??
[03:38] <DaSkreech> Should be fun to see what it does once it's done
[03:38] <DaSkreech> I'm using my friend as a test rat :-)
[03:38] <philipacamaniac> that's the best/worst
[03:38] <DaSkreech> I want to wait for the Kubuntu 3.5 install
[03:38] <philipacamaniac> lol
[03:39] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:39] <Hobbsee> why not install it now, or are you on amd64?
[03:39] <philipacamaniac> gtg, Adept has just FINALLY finished all 243 upgrades (over 802.11b wifi)
[03:40] <Hobbsee> wow
[03:40] <DaSkreech> asked to stop KDM
[03:40] <philipacamaniac> yes
[03:40] <philipacamaniac> I'll be back
[03:41] <DaSkreech> I said yes ( I think) and it just went right on it's way like nothing was happening
[03:41] <Abysmal> what does one do when the base system fails?? i'm having a problem at "dabootstrap"
[03:41] <DaSkreech> I think adept could use some more intelligent package scheduling
[03:43] <c0p> hello im i have a dual boot system with kubuntu and windows xp home. im going to be re-installing windows over my existing windows partition. Will this install overwrite my grub bootloader?
[03:43] <sproingie> yep, it sure will
[03:44] <c0p> hmm
[03:44] <c0p> how can i get my grub loader back
[03:44] <sproingie> i used a system rescue cd last time i blew away my bootloader
[03:44] <DaSkreech> Pray
[03:44] <DaSkreech> :-)
[03:44] <DaSkreech> and read up on grub-install
[03:44] <sproingie> it was complicated.  there's probably easier ways, but i don't recall what they are
[03:45] <c0p> can i use my kubuntu cd
[03:45] <c0p> just re-install grub
[03:45] <c0p> w/o formatting my linux partition
[03:46] <sproingie> you're probably better off chaining grub from NTLDR
[03:47] <c0p> hmm
[03:47] <sproingie> http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub-w2k-HOWTO.html
[03:47] <c0p> thanks
[03:47] <sproingie> actually that one sucks, it's out of date
[03:48] <Abysmal> man this install is taking a lobg time..
[03:48] <sproingie> and it assumes you're using fat32.  nevermind that url, it's crap
[03:48] <Abysmal> stuck at 6% for the past 15 minutes..
[03:49] <sproingie> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-June/msg05752.html
[03:49] <sproingie> that's redhat, but it shouldn't be specific to redhat
[03:50] <Hobbsee> c0p: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24113&highlight=howto+reinstall+grub
[03:50] <c0p> ok
[03:50] <c0p> Hobbsee thanks
[03:50] <Hobbsee> no problems, i just grabbed the link for someone in #ubuntu
[03:51] <Abysmal> any comments??
[03:52] <Hobbsee> Abysmal: did you backup?
[03:52] <sproingie> that process makes me wish for the freebsd install process
[03:52] <sproingie> where advanced install means you can jump to any point in the install
[03:52] <sproingie> like "install bootloader"
[03:52] <Hobbsee> sproingie: well, you pretty much do, you can hit escape and go to any part in the install
[03:52] <Hobbsee> but you do have to mount the drives before it'll let you run grub
[03:53] <sproingie> ah.  i thought there was something like that from long ago
[03:53] <sproingie> the curse of debian installers -- you only ever do it once, so it's easy to forget how the installer works :)
[03:54] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:54] <Hobbsee> only once?
[03:54] <sproingie> yah, then dist-upgrade forever after
[03:54] <Hobbsee> *counts the number of times she has done a ubuntu or kubuntu reinstall*
[03:54] <Sgep> Bye all
[03:54] <Abysmal> hobbsee: its a clean install
[03:54] <Hobbsee> too many, probably up to 10 of them
[03:55] <Hobbsee> Abysmal: so if you hit the power button, there's no data on there that you will care about that gets overwritten?
[03:55] <sproingie> i've actually reinstalled a couple times when i made some grave screwups
[03:55] <Hobbsee> heh...that assumes that the dist-upgrade works
[03:55] <Hobbsee> true, same here, repeatedly lol
[03:55] <sproingie> like untarring a gentoo stage3 tarball for ucLinux ... and forgetting to change to the chroot directory
[03:55] <sproingie> untarred it in the root
[03:55] <Hobbsee> ouch
[03:55] <c0p> um
[03:56] <Abysmal> dammit.. it did it again.. I can't even get a base install on the damn machine..
[03:56] <c0p> what linux partitions do i mount
[03:56] <Hobbsee> the ones that were mounted before
[03:56] <c0p> like.. /dev/hdc5
[03:56] <sproingie> i suppose if i rebooted, i would have had a shiny new gentoo system
[03:56] <Hobbsee> sudo fdisk -l, and paste it?
[03:56] <c0p> this is a side question but, when is breezy coming out?
[03:57] <Hobbsee> lol...that'd be interesting
[03:57] <Hobbsee> 13 oct
[03:57] <Hobbsee> if you wanted, you could burn a cd of breezy and install from there
[03:57] <c0p> and do you have to reinstall or can you dist-upgtade
[03:57] <Hobbsee> either
[03:57] <Abysmal> anyone have problems installing 5.10-rc??
[03:57] <c0p> oh you dont have to completly re-install?
[03:58] <Hobbsee> if your /home is on a separate partition, then it's easy to do either, and lose no data
[03:58] <c0p> what do you mean
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Abysmal: yes, mine froze the first time i tried, while partitioning
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Abysmal: i hit the power button, had no problems
[03:58] <Hobbsee> actually, that might have been one of my later hoary installs
[03:59] <Abysmal> i get to about 25% installed and it keeps dumping.. i have tried 4 times each with a reboot.. 
[03:59] <Hobbsee> yes, it must have been a later hoary install, as i didnt have /home on it then
[03:59] <hydrogen> I don't even think there is such thing as kde3.4.3
[03:59] <Hobbsee> Abysmal: did you check the checksum on the cd to see if it's correct
[03:59] <Hobbsee> hydrogen: there is, it just came out
[03:59] <Hobbsee> !home
[03:59] <ubotu> Hobbsee: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[03:59] <Hobbsee> !/home
[03:59] <ubotu> Hobbsee: Do they come in packets of five?
[04:00] <Abysmal> nope.. hold
[04:00] <hydrogen> its not even on kde.org
[04:00] <Hobbsee> !partition
[04:00] <ubotu> Hobbsee: Are you smoking crack?
[04:00] <Hobbsee> useful
[04:00] <c0p> o.0
[04:00] <c0p> is it buggy?
[04:00] <Hobbsee> c0p: /home keeps all your files and configurations
[04:01] <Hobbsee> no, just hasnt been taught about partitions and home
[04:02] <Hobbsee> c0p: you have your install cd, presumably?
[04:03] <c0p> somewhere
[04:03] <c0p> by buggy i was talking about kde 3.4.3
[04:03] <Hobbsee> c0p: you can ignore the windows partition, but for however many kubuntu ones you have, tell the installer to mount the current / drive as /, and tell it "do not format", same for your swap and any other partitions you have
[04:03] <c0p> i need to find my kubuntu cd first obviously. but yes i have it
[04:03] <Hobbsee> oh, i dont know, havent tried it, but i doubt it
[04:04] <c0p> oh so the cd installers over the partition?
[04:04] <c0p> leaving your files?
[04:05] <Abysmal> i am getting errors on open office common files.. and the md5 sums did match..
[04:05] <Hobbsee> as long as you tell it "do not format" 
[04:06] <Hobbsee> just read thru all the screens and it's pretty obvious: ie: format?  no, do not format it.  mount as: select / from optoins
[04:06] <Hobbsee> of course, if you tell it "yes, format it", then you will overwrite all your data on that partition
[04:07] <c0p> of course
[04:08] <Abysmal> is there anyway i can get the installer to skip the bad file and continue.. it just keeps doing the same damn thing if i use the contiune..
[04:14] <Abysmal> new cd.. here we go again..  
[04:18] <Abysmal> hobbsee.. how did you get your install to work or did it fix itself??
[04:20] <Hobbsee> *sigh* no one actually answered my question they way i wanted to on ubuntu forums...
[04:20] <Abysmal> hobbsee.. how did you get your install to work or did it fix itself??
[04:21] <Hobbsee> which, the one that froze?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> i hit the power button then overwrote the partition it was supposed to be resizing when it crashed, durign the install
[04:22] <Hobbsee> figuring that it was probably well and truly stuffed at that point, so i'd have to
[04:23] <Abysmal> open office common something.deb
[04:31] <N17R0> is there a way to hide GNOME apps from the K-menu ?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> take them out?  not sure about hiding them
[04:33] <N17R0> u mean removing the gnome apps ?
[04:33] <TokenBad> ok question...I run xchat and xmms and tried a few of the xmms plugins and everytime try to run one..it gives same error...
[04:33] <TokenBad> Can't locate Xmms/Remote.pm in @INC
[04:33] <TokenBad> any idea what that means?
[04:34] <Hobbsee> no, you can remove the k menu items
[04:34] <Hobbsee> in kmenueditor
[04:35] <chavo> TokenBad, install libxmms-perl
[04:35] <N17R0> yeah I know, but would that effect the GNOME  menu?
[04:35] <chavo> that means the plugin can't find a certain module
[04:36] <Abysmal> hey is the istall reading from my cd or is it going out to the net as well???
[04:36] <BlankB> Is there a version of Ktorrent for 5.04 or should I just go from source?
[04:36] <N17R0> not that I go to GNOME and all menu items are gone
[04:36] <Hobbsee> Abysmal: mostly cd, i think
[04:37] <Hobbsee> N17R0: not sure, but i dont think it would, i'd imagine that the gnome and kde menu config files would be in a different place
[04:37] <Hobbsee> as they use different folder names
[04:37] <Hobbsee> BlankB: see if you can find a .deb for it if it's not in reps
[04:37] <Hobbsee> otherwise go from source
[04:37] <N17R0> ahh ok, U know where those folders are located ?
[04:38] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Is it Gnome 2.12?
[04:38] <N17R0> I wanna know where the file hangs out on my system for kmenu and gnome menu
[04:38] <N17R0> yeah Breezy-gnome 2.12
[04:39] <DaSkreech> Then they can affect each other
[04:39] <DaSkreech> They are both under freedesktop rules so they should be unified at some level
[04:40] <TokenBad> Can't locate MP3/Info.pm
[04:40] <TokenBad> what about that chavo?
[04:40] <Hobbsee> ah right
[04:40] <Abysmal> i'm really getting pissed with this install.. time to go back to pure debian..
[04:57] <kurtbec> anyone figure the issue with firefox and mouse themes in breezy?
[04:57] <pet> any one has any idea why "sudo k3bsetup" gives me a blank panel?
[04:57] <pet> not that it is fatal but still wtf?
[05:00] <pet> any one who is not a bot move ur left ear
[05:01] <DrAbyss> lame
[05:02] <kurtbec> pet: it is in bugzilla.
[05:02] <pet> i saw it but did not see a solution or a resolution
[05:02] <kurtbec> nope not yet.
[05:03] <pet> alright then
[05:03] <kurtbec> hopefully in the next day or so 
[05:03] <pet> cool
[05:03] <TokenBad> anyone here know about the weather thing in the kde panel?
[05:04] <pet> what about it?
[05:04] <TokenBad> it is only showing in C
[05:04] <TokenBad> I want it in F
[05:04] <pet> ha
[05:04] <pet> *2+32
[05:04] <TokenBad> huh?
[05:05] <TokenBad> you lost me
[05:05] <pet> that's the approximate formulae
[05:05] <TokenBad> and where put that?
[05:05] <pet> in ur head
[05:05] <pet> :)
[05:05] <Ravensky> hey, I just helped install Kubuntu on my friend's comp. Is there a package where you can set GTK apps to use QT's theme and settings?
[05:05] <TokenBad> before i updated to breezy it was showing in F
[05:06] <pet> mine is in F
[05:06] <TokenBad> yeah but how to set it
[05:06] <TokenBad> heheh
[05:08] <jago> hello all
[05:09] <pet> hey, this will be a wild guess but may be in the kcontrol 
[05:10] <pet> there is a customization item for displaying diff units and stuff
[05:10] <pet> check that ur region is not set to europe or something
[05:10] <pet> mine is US
[05:11] <TokenBad> mine is to
[05:11] <TokenBad> just checked
[05:11] <pet> alright - i got nothing
[05:11] <jago> does any dody know how i can get my new installation of breezy to boot with like the live cd does, you know running startup processes under that picture in the begining
[05:12] <kurtbec> Ravensky: gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[05:12] <jago> just looks cool and i would like my install to do the same
[05:13] <pet> perhaps /etc/init.d/usplash ?
[05:14] <jago> thanks i will try that.
[05:14] <pet> i guess just add it to run level 3
[05:14] <pet> but mine was good by default
[05:14] <kurtbec> mine was good too.  didn't say kubuntu until I installed the k7 kernel image though
[05:14] <jago> yeh i guess it is be couse i have to use lilo not grub
[05:15] <pet> i have grub
[05:15] <pet> perhaps u need a newer kernel (mine is newer as well)
[05:16] <pet> 2.6.12-9-386
[05:16] <jago> yeh for some reson i have had problems running dual boot with linux and xp using grub, had to use third party and install lilo on hda1
[05:16] <pet> noooooo, never had such problems in my life
[05:17] <jago> i just down loaded and installed the latest breezy from the web site 2 days ago
[05:17] <pet> btw, did any one get the suspend to ram thingy to work properly, i have a dell 700m.. the lid.sh script in 5.04 was better than the one in 5.10 (well relatively)
[05:18] <jago> sorry guess i am just wiers.....its that damned winsh!t
[05:19] <pet> so any one around here has a dell - dell500 perhaps?
[05:21] <orugo> hi everyone
[05:23] <jago> sorry cant remember how to check wich shell i have any help?
[05:24] <jago> sorry jumping from crap to linux dayly i ment kernel
[05:24] <pet> uname -a
[05:24] <jago> thanks
[05:30] <orugo> hey
[05:30] <orugo> if i want to run games on linux
[05:30] <orugo> i mean
[05:30] <orugo> with wine
[05:30] <orugo> what do i have to use
[05:31] <orugo> wine and ..?
[05:31] <jago> just wine i thought
[05:31] <orugo> oh
[05:31] <orugo> i heard bout WINETOOLS
[05:32] <jago> right click and select open with, then find wine
[05:33] <orugo> haha
[05:33] <orugo> yess 
[05:33] <orugo> iknow but
[05:33] <orugo> i cant open some of them
[05:33] <orugo> :(
[05:33] <orugo> i mean is there "plugins" to make wine more efficient?
[05:33] <orugo> i mean
[05:34] <orugo> i just can play freecel
[05:34] <orugo> haha
[05:34] <orugo> anyway
[05:34] <jago> yes unfortunatly wine is not perfect
[05:34] <orugo> doesnt matter
[05:34] <jago> it is still in development
[05:34] <orugo> is really good, anyway
[05:34] <jago> yes
[05:34] <orugo> i can run a lot of apps that i never thought
[05:34] <orugo> really good
[05:34] <orugo> i ran adobe photoshop!!!!
[05:34] <jago> that reminds me, i need to install that again
[05:35] <jago> cool
[05:35] <orugo> yeah
[05:35] <jago> i ran diablo II, but did not do much just a test not sure if realy worked ...... yet
[05:35] <jago> :(
[05:36] <jago> no :)
[05:36] <jago> that is it
[05:36] <orugo> hahaha
[05:36] <orugo> cool!!
[05:36] <orugo> i just want to run my dear fifa 2000
[05:36] <jago> not sur what that is
[05:36] <orugo> (not 2001, not 98,   2000!!!!)
[05:37] <jago> sorry
[05:37] <orugo> :(
[05:37] <orugo> ok
[05:37] <DaSkreech> cedega?
[05:37] <orugo> cedega
[05:37] <orugo> i heard bout that
[05:37] <orugo> does it work ok?
[05:38] <orugo> (my english sucks)
[05:38] <orugo> haha
[05:38] <orugo> this irc server is really BIG
[05:38] <orugo> never try to get a channels list hahahahahah
[05:40] <jago> what is cedaga
[05:40] <jago> sorry
[05:40] <orugo> i think its a wine-like app
[05:40] <orugo> but made to run games
[05:40] <jago> ohhhhh, thanks
[05:41] <duce> not wine, winex
[05:41] <duce> u have to pay money/month to get random updates
[05:42] <jago> oh.....well i think  can do with out for a while.. until i can get my wife to go for it
[05:42] <TokenBad> anyone here know about the weather thing in the kde panel? it only shows in C and I want it in F...since am using kde..figure should ask in here
[05:43] <jago> i think its a setting in your kde
[05:43] <TokenBad> I check it
[05:43] <TokenBad> its set for USA
[05:44] <jago> not sure then
[05:52] <satafterh> any one know the apt command to get k7 kernel
[05:53] <jago> use synaptic its easier
[05:54] <jago> or adapt
[05:54] <jago> adept
[05:54] <aliveuser> does anyone know a good rss client ??
[05:54] <jago> sorry
[05:57] <jago> can any one tell me how to register with free node...so i can send private messages
[06:02] <jagodragon> tahnks
[06:02] <os2mac> yw
[06:02] <jagodragon> thanks
[06:03] <os2mac> me just downloaded the rc-breezy Live ver....
[06:03] <os2mac> very nice....
[06:04] <Abysmal> i'm back.. after introducing my cdrom to a hammer.. no things seem to work better..
[06:04] <os2mac> just wish it would save my config ala knoppix and detect my wlan0 card.
[06:04] <Abysmal> where did you get the live cd??
[06:05] <os2mac> http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/breezy-release-candidate.php
[06:06] <StR> Hi all
[06:08] <Abysmal> thanks for the link... you running a mac??
[06:10] <Abysmal> anyone know what terminal 3 is for??
[06:11] <os2mac> Abysmal... I am not running a Mac, I AM a Mac
[06:12] <Abysmal> ok..
[06:16] <Ravensky> is Azureus in the package repo?
[06:17] <aliveuser> yes
[06:17] <Ravensky> I couldnt find it
[06:17] <Ravensky> using Adept
[06:20] <logikal_> ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the
[06:20] <logikal_>        Macromedia Flash Player installer.
[06:20] <logikal_> :(
[06:22] <kurtbec> greetings all.  
[06:22] <kurtbec> whats the best way just to get a listing of whats installed on your machine?
[06:22] <kurtbec> just dpkg -l?
[06:23] <logikal_> yeah
[06:23] <kurtbec> what do the letters on the far left indicate?
[06:23] <kurtbec> I see ii, rc, and some others I think
[06:24] <inc|freaky> :D
[06:24] <inc|freaky> good morning all :D
[06:24] <inc|freaky> every1 going to school soon? :)
[06:36] <Abysmal> man.. what a night.. i almost fried one of my 36.6 Gig 10K ultrawide scsi drives putting the damn case back on the computer... I'm still not sure if i did damage to one of them..
[06:36] <Geno__> :/
[06:37] <logikal_> how do i run the auto config from console
[06:37] <Ravensky> are you sure Azureus is on the repo? Adept cant find it
[06:37] <Abysmal> so i am on my 10th and final try at installing 5.10.. the first 8 where fixed when I removed my cdrom and took a hammer to it.. 
[06:38] <Geno__> lol
[06:38] <Ravensky> does Kubuntu have a Java chat?
[06:38] <Ravensky> for this channel
[06:42] <Geno__> Why?
[06:42] <Geno__> Maybe there's a package for that
[06:47] <Abysmal> now that sucks.. I still can't get kubuntu on.. ubuntu yes.. so it looks like i get the gnomelokk and feel for awhile..
[06:47] <Abysmal> man my typing sucks...
[06:47] <Geno__> lol
[06:55] <_chris> how do i get w32codecs?
[06:57] <_chris> ubotu
[06:57] <_chris> !w32codecs
[06:57] <ubotu> I guess w32codecs is a set of codecs for popular audio/video formats (wmv etc). Install from http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/87ofx (Breezy)
[07:25] <juju> how to solve this problem with samba-smb4k I can see the other computers but can not conect because I need the smbmnt as root
[08:19] <Strike4ce> How do I equally divide the drive on a dula boot partition?
[08:19] <kernoman> anyone having problems with view profiles in konq?
[08:19] <Strike4ce> oops dual boot
[08:20] <propagandhi> Strike4ce: you have just one partition?
[08:20] <Strike4ce> 1 harddrive
[08:20] <Strike4ce> yea
[08:20] <Strike4ce> 40gb
[08:20] <propagandhi> ok, you will need to use a partitioning application like Partition Magic or similar to resize
[08:21] <Strike4ce> yes but when I install wont it prompt me for the size?
[08:21] <Strike4ce> can I make it 50%
[08:22] <Strike4ce> probably as stupid question lol
[08:22] <propagandhi> Strike4ce: use partition magic or similar to resize to two equal halves
[08:22] <Strike4ce> i dont have
[08:22] <Strike4ce> what about gparted once its installed?
[08:23] <propagandhi> Strike4ce: the best way to do it, is to partition the drive before you begin the install
[08:23] <Strike4ce> im doind a complete reinstall of windows
[08:23] <Strike4ce> well i just formatted so I guess I could go back
[08:23] <propagandhi> ahh, ok, well in that case use the windows installer to make two equal partitions
[08:23] <Strike4ce> lol
[08:23] <Strike4ce> so i need to start it again
[08:23] <propagandhi> most probably
[08:24] <Strike4ce> it is copying files now
[08:24] <propagandhi> ahh gone too far
[08:24] <Strike4ce> I could partition still
[08:25] <Strike4ce> it allows me to create a partition
[08:25] <Strike4ce> would I be able to split it then
[08:25] <Strike4ce> this is addictive
[08:25] <propagandhi> Strike4ce: you may as well try
[08:27] <Strike4ce> When I do that and instal kubuntu it will see 2 drives right?
[08:27] <Strike4ce> I need to choose hdb
[08:27] <propagandhi> it will see two partitions
[08:27] <Strike4ce> yea
[08:28] <propagandhi> it should show one as NTFS
[08:29] <Strike4ce> is it bad to reformat alot?
[08:29] <orugo> hey
[08:29] <orugo> i need help with OPENGL
[08:29] <logikal_> Can kaffiene play embedded video?
[08:29] <orugo> if i want tu run games in linux do i have to install MESA?
[08:30] <propagandhi> Strike4ce: if you formatted too often it could be bad, but i havent seen a limit so far
[08:32] <Strike4ce> propagandhi how old are you?
[08:32] <propagandhi> Strike4ce: 22
[08:32] <Strike4ce> im 34 be 35 in dec
[08:33] <propagandhi> cool
[08:33] <chavo> orugo, no you don't need to install mesa
[08:33] <Strike4ce> my wife is 23
[08:33] <Strike4ce> lol
[08:33] <chavo> orugo, what video card do you have?
[08:33] <propagandhi> well, good time to start using linux
[08:34] <Strike4ce> I thought I was pretty knowledgeable on the pc until I started this
[08:34] <propagandhi> Strike4ce: everyone thinks they're knowledgeable truth is we know crap all
[08:36] <logikal_> anyone want to help me?
[08:37] <logikal_> I'm trying to get embedded videos to work in Konquerer
[08:37] <logikal_> Can't init Audio Driver 'alsasink' - trying another one...
[08:37] <logikal_> logikal_ Can't init Video Driver 'xvimagesink' - trying another one...
[08:37] <logikal_> logikal_ No useable video-driver found! (xvimagesink)
[08:37] <logikal_> that's the error msgs ig et
[08:37] <Strike4ce> well i work on computers and I dont know much Im amazed at how simple tings perplex most people when it comes to computers. You could probably say the same about me LOL
[08:37] <logikal_> i get*
[08:37] <propagandhi> Strike4ce: i think its arrogant of anyone to act superior because of knowledge in any particular area
[08:38] <Strike4ce> I agree
[08:38] <Strike4ce> I have noticied that older people have a fear of computers
[08:38] <Strike4ce> Like they're afrai to do anything on them
[08:39] <propagandhi> thats true generally, but you'd be suprised, theres some oldies out their cranking away at the computer
[08:40] <Strike4ce> Oh yeah my mother is an Ebay expert. She makes a shitload of money too.
[08:40] <propagandhi> ha ha
[08:41] <Strike4ce> Another stupid question here but why are the fonts so small on konquerer?
[08:41] <Strike4ce> I adjusted but it still did not change the address bar
[08:43] <orugo> chavo i have a 32mb onboard card
[08:43] <orugo> chavo: i mean, a very bad card
[08:43] <propagandhi> Strike4ce: in konqueror did you do SETTINGS -> Appearance, and change the font in there
[08:43] <Strike4ce> yep
[08:43] <Strike4ce> The fonts in the address bar stayed the same?
[08:44] <propagandhi> crazy
[08:44] <chavo> Strike4ce, the address bar font is in the Appearance and Setings fonts -> GEneral
[08:44] <Strike4ce> hey kubuntu works with fat32?
[08:44] <chavo> orugo, not sure about that
[08:44] <propagandhi> Strike4ce: you dont want fat32
[08:44] <chavo> Strike4ce, it can read and write fat32
[08:45] <orugo> right
[08:45] <Strike4ce> I can share files then right?
[08:45] <orugo> yes
[08:45] <chavo> yes
[08:45] <orugo> but by default kubuntu doesnt mount the windows partition
[08:46] <Strike4ce> ok so it would be best to use my windows cd and make a partition. Split it down the middle
[08:46] <chavo> I share my big fat32 partition with samba, very easy to set up.
[08:47] <Strike4ce> ??
[08:47] <kinfo> what?
[08:47] <propagandhi> but you dont want to install ubuntu on a fat32 partition
[08:47] <Strike4ce> ok
[08:48] <chavo> I thought you were asking about sharing it on a network
[08:48] <Strike4ce> gonna split her in half
[08:48] <Strike4ce> lol
[08:48] <orugo> hey
[08:48] <Strike4ce> try anyways
[08:48] <orugo> strike4ce
[08:48] <orugo> listen
[08:48] <Strike4ce> yes
[08:48] <orugo> i have windows and linux
[08:48] <orugo> windows in ntfs 
[08:48] <orugo> linux in ext3 and swat
[08:48] <orugo> you can do this
[08:48] <orugo> install win
[08:49] <orugo> if you can make a 50% great
[08:49] <orugo> but if you dont
[08:49] <orugo> you can use partition magic
[08:49] <orugo> to resize
[08:49] <Strike4ce> dont have it
[08:49] <orugo> or resize the partitino in the installation of linux
[08:49] <orugo> (thats not recommended, i think)
[08:49] <Strike4ce> make it 50% right
[08:49] <orugo> you can download from inet
[08:49] <Strike4ce> free
[08:49] <orugo> yes
[08:49] <orugo> not the latest version
[08:50] <Strike4ce> can I have the address
[08:50] <orugo> wait a second
[08:50] <orugo> i'll search it foryou
[08:50] <orugo> wait
[08:51] <Strike4ce> well I could just reinstall windows and partition it that way right?
[08:51] <orugo> wait
[08:51] <orugo> what do you have installed now?
[08:51] <orugo> windows in 100%?
[08:52] <Strike4ce> windows
[08:52] <aftertaf> you can also use the ubuntu installer to repartition your windows drive without losing it.
[08:52] <orugo> right!
[08:52] <orugo> in all the distros
[08:52] <orugo> when you install
[08:52] <orugo> it allows you to make a personalized managament of the partitions
[08:52] <orugo> and its very easy
[08:52] <orugo> you have to resize your windows partition
[08:52] <orugo> to 50$
[08:52] <Strike4ce> im installing kubuntu
[08:53] <Strike4ce> yea thast what I was thinking
[08:53] <aftertaf> Strike4ce:  same thing...... just one has gnome, one has kde
[08:53] <Strike4ce> that will work?
[08:53] <orugo> and then let to distribute the rest of the size
[08:53] <Strike4ce> 50% will work?
[08:53] <orugo> sure!
[08:53] <aftertaf> Strike4ce:  how big is your drive?
[08:53] <orugo> 40gb
[08:53] <orugo> he said
[08:53] <orugo> you should do this
[08:54] <orugo> 20gb FAT32: WINDOWS
[08:54] <orugo> 19.5gb EXT3: linux
[08:54] <orugo> 0.5 SWAT
[08:54] <orugo> SWAP
[08:54] <aftertaf> ok.     If you can reduce win do 20 gig, good.....    You can make do with 10 gb for linux, but better if you have more, obviously :)
[08:54] <Strike4ce> im going to reinstall windows and partition it in half
[08:54] <orugo> the swap partition is something like pagelife.sys of windows i think
[08:54] <aftertaf> Strike4ce:  i would advise mess for the / ext3, add another partition of around 3gig for /home
[08:54] <orugo> now im using 10gb of linux partition
[08:55] <orugo> and 05. swap
[08:55] <aftertaf> *less
[08:55] <orugo> aftertaf: yes but that is a little bit "dangerous" if you dont have a good control
[08:55] <orugo> i mean
[08:56] <orugo> i dunno
[08:56] <orugo> hahaha
[08:56] <aftertaf> when you set it up at install time, its not dangerous, the installer creates the mountpoints and sorts it all out itself.
[08:57] <orugo> yes
[08:57] <orugo> but then
[08:57] <orugo> when you use linux
[08:57] <Strike4ce> ok its done
[08:57] <orugo> your 3b could be ..
[08:57] <orugo> short
[08:57] <orugo> (my english sucks, im hispanohablador)
[08:57] <orugo> jhaha
[08:57] <aftertaf> for home, its more than fine......
[08:57] <aftertaf> home is not where you will put 50gig of mp3s anyway ;)
[08:58] <Strike4ce> c and d both 19077mb
[08:58] <Strike4ce> 19.07gb each
[08:58] <orugo> haaahhhahahaha
[08:58] <Strike4ce> what?
[08:58] <Strike4ce> is that wrong?
[08:59] <aftertaf> Strike4ce:  having a separate home partitoon can be advised if you need to reinstall, you can have certain files on there and not lose them when you reformat /
[08:59] <orugo> nono
[08:59] <aftertaf> Strike4ce:  nope..... about the mp3s i think
[08:59] <orugo> right!!
[08:59] <orugo> hahahahah
[08:59] <orugo> the 50gb
[08:59] <orugo> haa
[09:00] <aftertaf> Strike4ce:  but then again, go with how you feel comfortable for now. That is what is most important.    You can reinstall later if you need to, or not at all, if all goes well.
[09:00] <aftertaf> and...... welcome to ubuntu :)
[09:00] <Strike4ce> ok how will i set up the other partition for ntfs after windows is installed?
[09:01] <orugo> kubuntu is great
[09:01] <Strike4ce> orugo are you a bot lol
[09:02] <orugo> i think that before the installation of MANDRAKE ... there's a warning of installing kubuntu
[09:02] <orugo> i used mandrake and when i switch to kubuntu, i was happy
[09:02] <Strike4ce> So Whn I install kubuntu will it be ntfs on a new raw partition?
[09:02] <orugo> hahahahah
[09:02] <orugo> nonoo
[09:02] <orugo> when you install kubuntu
[09:02] <aftertaf> Strike4ce:  nope.    ext3
[09:02] <orugo> it needs partitions
[09:02] <orugo> different
[09:03] <orugo> ext3 and swap
[09:03] <m0ns00n> Hey
[09:03] <aftertaf> orugo:  yeah, nice OS ;)
[09:03] <aftertaf> hey m0ns00n 
[09:03] <m0ns00n> I'm asking something here, but it is a bit offtopic
[09:03] <m0ns00n> What does "Compact folder" in Thunderbird mean?
[09:03] <m0ns00n> There is no help that tells me this
[09:03] <aftertaf> Strike4ce:  the installer will format the / partiton and the swap partition.....
[09:03] <m0ns00n> And the help google provided goes something like: "Compacting the folder will compact that folder only"
[09:03] <Strike4ce> So the remainder of 19077mb will be ext3 and swap with kubuntu on the majority of the drive?
[09:04] <aftertaf> m0ns00n:  lke outlook with PST files... it compacts to remove empty space when you delete files etc.... i think
[09:04] <m0ns00n> aftertaf: Ok, which means?
[09:04] <Strike4ce> It will leave windows intact on the other half right?
[09:04] <orugo> the ntfs or fat32 partition will be the same
[09:04] <aftertaf> Strike4ce:  did you make a 50mb partition separate for swap?
[09:04] <Strike4ce> no
[09:04] <aftertaf> ahh. you need to.
[09:04] <aftertaf> NEED to even.
[09:04] <Strike4ce> too late
[09:04] <aftertaf> 500 mb i meant. :/
[09:04] <orugo> anyway
[09:05] <orugo> you could do that in the installation
[09:05] <m0ns00n> aftertaf: Cuz thunderbird complains about diskspace and refuses to store new sent emails. I'm thinking that client sucks ass hehe, long live KMAIL!
[09:05] <Strike4ce> my windows will be on one half it wont cut into that space will it?
[09:05] <orugo> 500mb right
[09:05] <aftertaf> Strike4ce:  you can get back to it i think.
[09:05] <aftertaf> m0ns00n:  ahhhh.... bug maybe?
[09:05] <orugo> the partitions will work separatly
[09:05] <aftertaf> Strike4ce:  nope.   you need to remove the 19gig partitoon you created, and make 2:
[09:05] <orugo> like two differents hd
[09:05] <m0ns00n> aftertaf: Yes, a collague of mine. Thunderbird doesn't work.
[09:05] <Strike4ce> I did
[09:05] <aftertaf> 1 with 500mb, as swap, one as 18.5
[09:06] <orugo> linux doesnt run on fat32 partitions
[09:06] <m0ns00n> aftertaf: Gonna see if an upgrade is available..
[09:06] <aftertaf> hehe m0ns00n 
[09:06] <Strike4ce> I will try this and see orugo you gonna be here for awhile?
[09:06] <orugo> yes i think
[09:06] <orugo> (i have to sleep and go to school in 2 hours)
[09:06] <orugo> hahahahhahahah
[09:06] <orugo> couldn't sleep
[09:06] <Strike4ce> lol
[09:06] <orugo> .... 
[09:07] <orugo> :(
[09:08] <orugo> hey
[09:08] <orugo> i want to play a good game
[09:08] <orugo> in my kubuntu
[09:08] <orugo> haha
[09:09] <orugo> but i have a 32mb onboard video card
[09:10] <Strike4ce> i have a ati radeon pro turbo 128mb on laptop
[09:10] <orugo> xkill
[09:11] <Strike4ce> xkill?
[09:11] <Strike4ce> Im gonna make a new pc soon I hope
[09:11] <Strike4ce> with dual graphics
[09:14] <aftertaf> orugo:  frozen bubble :)
[09:15] <logikal_> anyone wanna donate a minute of their time
[09:15] <logikal_> to help me get mplayer working
[09:20] <orugo_> im back
[09:20] <orugo_> hey
[09:20] <orugo_> whats the best GUI for mldonkey?
[09:22] <aftertaf> logikal_:  what gives?
[09:22] <aftertaf> ok. skins thing in ubuntu ;)
[09:23] <gsuveg> re
[09:23] <gsuveg> anyone use digikam+flickr ?
[09:23] <Tm_T> nope
[09:23] <Tm_T> what's that flickr thing?
[09:23] <gsuveg> http://flickr.com/
[09:31] <robin_2> Why does the mouse pointer change style if I use GTK applications (like Openoffice, Firefox) in Breezy ? I think it should stay the same.
[09:31] <robin_2> as the KDE pointer.
[09:38] <CaiN_SA> aftertaf, 
[09:38] <CaiN_SA> tell me 
[09:39] <CaiN_SA> what does kubuntu use to manage media devices ?
[09:41] <aftertaf> kio slave, i think
[09:42] <aftertaf> dunno much else about it tho....
[09:43] <CaiN_SA> kk
[09:43] <CaiN_SA> but it does make /media/whatever
[09:43] <CaiN_SA> and fstab entries ?
[09:43] <aftertaf> yeah, manages the automount of cds, usb drices etc.....
[09:43] <CaiN_SA> ah kk
[09:43] <CaiN_SA> you mind checking something for me ?
[09:44] <aftertaf> ok.
[09:45] <CaiN_SA> any of these installed : autofs pmount gnome-volume-manager magicdev
[09:46] <aftertaf> on my pc? ok looking
[09:46] <CaiN_SA> ya on your pc
[09:47] <aftertaf> gnome vm yeah, pmount yeah
[09:47] <aftertaf> autofs et magicdev nope
[09:47] <CaiN_SA> kk
[09:47] <CaiN_SA> you got kubuntu
[09:47] <CaiN_SA> or mixed thing ?
[09:48] <aftertaf> kubuntu.
[09:48] <CaiN_SA> k
[09:48] <aftertaf> but with some gnome stuff installed....
[09:48] <CaiN_SA> ah :P
[09:48] <aftertaf> but works without any gnome stuff too.
[09:48] <CaiN_SA> any1 here have plain kubuntu
[09:49] <CaiN_SA> that will check if gnome vm and pmount is on normal kubuntu
[09:49] <CaiN_SA> aftertaf, i think its tho packages
[09:49] <CaiN_SA> *those
[09:49] <CaiN_SA> just want to verify that they on plain kubuntu
[09:50] <aftertaf> CaiN_SA:  you got the cd on you?
[09:50] <CaiN_SA> nope
[09:50] <CaiN_SA> thats the problem
[09:50] <aftertaf> hehe
[09:51] <aftertaf> apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop has only pmount as a dependency
[09:55] <Gangster> Alright, I need some serious help.
[09:55] <CaiN_SA> ya but maby gnome volume manager is on as a base thing
[09:56] <CaiN_SA> i have pmount and it doesnt work
[09:56] <Gangster> Could someone help me figure out why my Kubuntu Install is hanging up?
[09:57] <aftertaf> CaiN_SA:  wouldnt think so, as it is really gnome.
[09:57] <aftertaf> Gangster:  fire away
[09:57] <Gangster> Well, when I load up my Kubuntu Install CD.
[09:57] <Gangster> It says boot: Loading /install/vmlinuz
[09:57] <Gangster> Then, I get about 10 dots.
[09:57] <Gangster> And then it stops...
[09:58] <aftertaf> run a md5 checksum on the iso image. if that says ok no pb, then reburn your cd.....
[09:58] <Gangster> I downloaded it.
[09:58] <aftertaf> it?
[09:58] <Gangster> Erm...
[09:59] <Gangster> I downloaded kubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[09:59] <aftertaf> lol :)
[09:59] <Gangster> That...
[09:59] <aftertaf> ok.
[09:59] <aftertaf> cool.... go onto the site and see to do a checksum on the image. it could have d/led corrupted.
[09:59] <Gangster> Okay, one sec... remind me how to do the whole MD5 thing?
[10:00] <aftertaf> hehe knew that was coming
[10:00] <Gangster> xD;;
[10:00] <Gangster> Sorry >.<
[10:00] <aftertaf> hehe no, dont be ... :=)
[10:01] <CaiN_SA> Gangster, 
[10:01] <Gangster> Crap....
[10:01] <CaiN_SA> md5sum /dev/cdrom
[10:01] <Gangster> Yes>
[10:01] <Gangster> I'm using WinXP, I don't have Kubuntu installed.
[10:01] <Gangster> But I think I know what went wrong...
[10:01] <aftertaf> lol
[10:01] <Gangster> 0459bd238268db5620e2362384c87db1
[10:02] <Gangster> Thats my MD5
[10:02] <aftertaf> hehe Gangster .... what was it that went wrong?
[10:02] <Gangster> I think this be0ab9ffde133a6b6843da8bac275b29
[10:02] <Gangster> is what it's supposed to be.
[10:02] <CaiN_SA> lol ya
[10:02] <CaiN_SA> what program you use to write the cd ?
[10:02] <Gangster> HT Fireman CD burner
[10:02] <CaiN_SA> sies
[10:02] <CaiN_SA> use nero
[10:02] <CaiN_SA> or clone cd
[10:02] <Gangster> xD;;
[10:02] <Gangster> But, erm.
[10:03] <CaiN_SA> lol @ ht fireman cd burner
[10:03] <Gangster> Problem: Would a download accelertor have damaged the ISO image? >.>;;
[10:03] <CaiN_SA> that would prolly be the problem
[10:03] <CaiN_SA> erm
[10:03] <CaiN_SA> md5 sum the .iso file
[10:03] <CaiN_SA> and check if it matches
[10:04] <Gangster> Wait... how do I run an md5 check though?
[10:04] <Gangster> I have this weird program, but I don't know what it does...
[10:04] <Gangster> >.>;;
[10:04] <aftertaf> be0ab9ffde133a6b6843da8bac275b29  kubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[10:04] <aftertaf> Gangster:  you'll need to redownload...... i think
[10:04] <Gangster> Yeah, probably.
[10:05] <Gangster> But, still.
[10:05] <seaLne> md5sum file.iso
[10:05] <aftertaf> i recomnned you get the latest breezy version while at it.
[10:05] <Gangster> How do I run an MD5 in WINXP?
[10:05] <seaLne> don't think it comes with md5sum
[10:05] <CaiN_SA> ya
[10:05] <Gangster> >.>;;
[10:05] <Gangster> Oh well.
[10:05] <CaiN_SA> you need to download an ap
[10:05] <CaiN_SA> to do it
[10:06] <Gangster> Yeah, I think I have it...
[10:06] <Gangster> Okay
[10:06] <CaiN_SA> what download manager did you use ?
[10:06] <Gangster> I used Internet Download Manager.
[10:06] <Gangster> It's a weird one, but it's free.
[10:06] <Gangster> =P
[10:06] <CaiN_SA> idm is fine
[10:06] <aftertaf> lol
[10:06] <CaiN_SA> it doesnt have issues
[10:06] <Gangster> So, erm.
[10:06] <Gangster> What do I do now/
[10:06] <CaiN_SA> lol erm
[10:06] <CaiN_SA> wait
[10:07] <Gangster> Erm, for?
[10:07] <Gangster> xD;;
[10:07] <CaiN_SA> lemme check something qujick
[10:07] <Gangster> Okay
[10:07] <robin_2> I don't understand, If I start synaptic from konsole with "sudo synaptic"  it uses the kde theme. While when I start it from the kde-menu it runs in the ugly gnome theme.
[10:08] <aftertaf> am i wrong in this, or sholdnt you use sth else to run a X app as root?   kdesu for ex.?
[10:08] <CaiN_SA> ok i dunno Gangster 
[10:08] <Gangster> Okay
[10:08] <Gangster> I'll redownload
[10:08] <Gangster> Thanks though
[10:08] <Gangster> I won't use the download manager now.
[10:08] <CaiN_SA> get breezy one
[10:08] <Gangster> I'll try it that way.
[10:08] <Gangster> Huh?
[10:08] <CaiN_SA> kubuntu breezy
[10:08] <CaiN_SA> get the latest kubuntu
[10:08] <Gangster> Where do i get it? >.>;;
[10:09] <CaiN_SA> www.kubuntu.org :P
[10:09] <Gangster> I'm completly new to Linux/Kubuntu
[10:09] <robin_2> when I start an application with kdesu It won't use the kde theme, while sudo does.
[10:09] <robin_2> :\
[10:09] <CaiN_SA> Gangster : http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/5.10/
[10:09] <seaLne> Gangster: try using bittorrent to download kubuntu
[10:10] <Gangster> Okay
[10:10] <Gangster> Thank you
[10:11] <aftertaf> s' cool :)   and so is brezy :)
[10:11] <Gangster> Crap....
[10:12] <aftertaf> erf?
[10:12] <Gangster> I just ran the WinMD5 program, and the MD5's come out exactly the same/
[10:12] <Gangster> What could be the problem now?
[10:12] <CaiN_SA> omw muy pc is slow
[10:12] <CaiN_SA> if i build an iso
[10:12] <aftertaf> Gangster:  you can try reburning, at a slower speed....
[10:12] <CaiN_SA> my pc dies :/
[10:13] <CaiN_SA> ya and use proper burner Gangster
[10:13] <CaiN_SA> like clone cd
[10:13] <Gangster> Okay
[10:13] <Gangster> Let me check Clone CD.
[10:13] <Gangster> One sec.
[10:14] <Gangster> Where can I get this.. Clone CD, is it at SlySoft?
[10:19] <Gangster> Looks like I have to restart my computer.
[10:19] <Gangster> I'll be back soon, to tell you guys how things went =D
[10:33] <Gangster> I'm trying the new CloneCD image writer now.
[10:33] <Gangster> I'm trying to install this on my other computer, so I can give you guys the live updates ;D
[10:39] <aftertaf> hehe Gangster you do that man ;)
[10:39] <aftertaf> and ask away, for partition advice etc ;)
[10:44] <Gangster> Yeah, problem.
[10:45] <Gangster> That ISO Recorder thing, CloneCD, didn't work at all...
[10:45] <Gangster> I'm gonna try Nero.
[10:46] <aftertaf> good idea
[10:48] <Gangster> Now to do this.
[10:48] <Gangster> I should not select multisession, right?
[10:49] <Gangster> Whatever.
[10:50] <Gangster> It's burning!
[10:50] <Gangster> Now, hopfully I did this right, and it just doesn't come out as an .ISO file on a disk >.>;;
[10:52] <aftertaf> lol
[10:53] <aftertaf> choose burn image.
[10:53] <Gangster> I've done that before, so don't laugh >.<
[10:53] <aftertaf> hehe.... we all learn :)
[10:53] <Gangster> xD;;
[10:53] <CaiN_SA> aftertaf, ps aux | grep gnome-volume-manager plz :)
[10:54] <Gangster> I have to... go soon.
[10:54] <Gangster> It's 5 AM >.<
[10:54] <Gangster> Been at this all night, and I have school tomorrow!
[10:54] <aftertaf> david     4172  0.0  0.2   3064   764 pts/5    S+   10:52   0:00 grep gnome-volume-manager
[10:54] <crimsun> eh, it's 5 AM, I have to work in 3 hours, and I'm fixing vlc for universe.
[10:54] <aftertaf> lol Gangster  :)
[10:54] <Gangster> >.<
[10:55] <Gangster> SHIT!
[10:55] <Gangster> Excuse my french.
[10:55] <Gangster> >.>;;
[10:55] <aftertaf> lol
[10:55] <aftertaf> que pasas?
[10:55] <Gangster> I burned it, and it showed up as a .ISO file on a disk!
[10:55] <Gangster> xD;;
[10:55] <aftertaf> LOOOOOOOOL
[10:56] <Gangster> I'm running out of disks here >.>;;
[10:57] <CaiN_SA> kk aftertaf 
[10:58] <aftertaf> CaiN_SA:  that help at all?
[10:58] <CaiN_SA> nope
[10:59] <Gangster> Found how to do it >.>;;
[11:00] <Gangster> Okay, I gotta use the men's room, but I'll be back ASAP.
[11:01] <Gangster> It is writing my image!
[11:01] <Gangster> =D
[11:01] <Gangster> This better work this time...
[11:01] <Gangster> >.>;;
[11:01] <Strike4ce> I installed kubunta and it would install grub but did lilo
[11:02] <Strike4ce> is that ok?
[11:02] <Strike4ce> it wouldnt install grub
[11:03] <aftertaf> strange that, Strike4ce ....
[11:03] <aftertaf> Strike4ce:  different pb, but did you setup a swap partition? linux NEEDS one
[11:05] <Gangster> I think this will work!!
[11:05] <Strike4ce> ext3 and then mount /
[11:05] <Strike4ce> it prompted me
[11:06] <Strike4ce> can I change to grub later?
[11:08] <Gangster> Not working...
[11:08] <Gangster> Now it won't even boot to the CD.
[11:10] <Strike4ce> I keep getting password failure
[11:11] <Gangster> Hey Afterftaf, is there any like, boot floppies I can use to boot up into the CD?
[11:13] <Strike4ce> nevermind
[11:13] <Strike4ce> is boot from lilo ok?
[11:13] <aftertaf> Gangster:  nope.... :/   weird that it wont work though. 
[11:13] <aftertaf> Strike4ce:  yes, its another boot manager.
[11:14] <aftertaf> Strike4ce:  what cd are you using?
[11:14] <Strike4ce> the newest kubuntu cd
[11:14] <Strike4ce> can I change to grub now?
[11:16] <aftertaf> no need to.... but it is odd.
[11:17] <Strike4ce> what is the difference?
[11:17] <aftertaf> not same program... but similar function.
[11:17] <aftertaf> is your disk a dynamic disk?  a 'volume' ?
[11:17] <aftertaf> ie in windiws?
[11:17] <Strike4ce> no
[11:18] <aftertaf> ok. never mind. if it works like that it'll be fine anyway
[11:18] <CaiN_SA> aftertaf, ps aus | grep hal 
[11:18] <CaiN_SA> plz
[11:18] <CaiN_SA> aftertaf, ps aux | grep hal 
[11:19] <Strike4ce> its not giving me a dual boot option
[11:19] <kakalto> when's breezy stable release?
[11:19] <aftertaf> it wont yet.
[11:19] <aftertaf> 3 days
[11:19] <kakalto> kewl
[11:19] <kakalto> thanks
[11:19] <aftertaf> david@dell-laptop:~$ ps aux | grep hal 
[11:19] <aftertaf> hal       5537  0.0  0.6   5048  1564 ?        Ss   Oct10   0:19 /usr/sbin/hald
[11:19] <aftertaf> hal       5542  0.0  0.1   1864   412 ?        S    Oct10   0:00 hald-addon-acpi
[11:19] <aftertaf> david     5951  0.0  0.2   3064   768 pts/5    S+   11:17   0:00 grep hal
[11:19] <Strike4ce> why?
[11:20] <aftertaf> Strike4ce:  cos it needs setting up for it. have you managed to boot into linux?
[11:20] <Strike4ce> Why no dual boot option?
[11:20] <CaiN_SA> aftertaf, hald is doing the hardware :P
[11:20] <CaiN_SA> in kubuntu that is
[11:20] <Strike4ce> kubuntu is up and running
[11:20] <aftertaf> Strike4ce:  cool. you on it now?
[11:20] <Strike4ce> yes
[11:21] <aftertaf> Strike4ce:  did you have the choice between lilo and grub during install?
[11:21] <aftertaf> Strike4ce:  well done :)
[11:21] <Strike4ce> no it wouldnt take grub
[11:21] <aftertaf> CaiN_SA:  ok, for the mounting of media stuff?
[11:21] <aftertaf> Strike4ce:  did it say why at all?
[11:21] <Strike4ce> I shutdown and restarted no dual boot screen?
[11:22] <Strike4ce> said error
[11:22] <Gangster> Hmm, is there anything I should do special for an IBM ThinkCentre>?
[11:22] <CaiN_SA> aftertaf, still trying to figure that out :P
[11:23] <aftertaf> Strike4ce:  ok; but it boots to linux :)
[11:23] <Strike4ce> yes
[11:23] <aftertaf> Gangster:  ask in #ubuntu... ;)
[11:23] <Strike4ce> I want windows tooo lol
[11:23] <aftertaf> lol
[11:23] <Strike4ce> probably gonna have to reinstall again
[11:23] <aftertaf> ok. Strike4ce type df and paste the results here
[11:24] <Strike4ce> wait upgrading or can I do that at same time?
[11:24] <aftertaf> same time :)
[11:24] <Strike4ce> where do I type df?
[11:24] <aftertaf> in a console
[11:24] <theine> How come Konsole has such an ugly font by default?
[11:24] <aftertaf> to make you want to customise your linux, theine :)
[11:25] <Strike4ce> u mean terminal?
[11:25] <theine> Strike4ce: I mean Konsole
[11:25] <aftertaf> Strike4ce:  same thing ;)
[11:25] <theine> The spacing between the letters is all messed up
[11:25] <aftertaf> Konsole is a console.  Console means terminal.... 
[11:25] <aftertaf> command line interface
[11:25] <aftertaf> Strike4ce:  run Konsole and type df
[11:26] <theine> aftertaf: Don't have to tell me, but it's only konsole that has a font problem on my machine
[11:26] <Strike4ce> ok did that but its on other system
[11:26] <Strike4ce> laptop
[11:26] <Strike4ce> what do you need?
[11:26] <aftertaf> ok. what are your partitions?    hda1 etc....     name and filesystem
[11:26] <aftertaf> Strike4ce:  you've installed on 2 at the same time?
[11:27] <Strike4ce> hda5 is one
[11:27] <Strike4ce> tmpfs
[11:27] <Strike4ce> dev
[11:27] <aftertaf> ok.
[11:27] <Strike4ce> none
[11:27] <aftertaf> which is ntfs?   and which is "/"
[11:28] <aftertaf> "/" means root..... the root filesystem.
[11:28] <Strike4ce> hda5
[11:28] <Strike4ce> i dont see ntfs
[11:28] <aftertaf> fat?
[11:29] <aftertaf> nooooooooooooooo
[11:29] <Strike4ce> nope
[11:29] <aftertaf> normal.
[11:29] <aftertaf> no panic :)
[11:29] <aftertaf> itsnot monted.
[11:29] <Strike4ce> why wont it dual boot?
[11:29] <aftertaf> you need to edit lilo.conf
[11:29] <Strike4ce> can it be fixed?
[11:29] <aftertaf> yes
[11:29] <Strike4ce> where?
[11:29] <aftertaf> the file is /etc/lilo.conf
[11:30] <aftertaf> you can use nano to edit it
[11:30] <Strike4ce> type that in terminal?
[11:30] <aftertaf> and you'll need to have root provileges to edit it.
[11:30] <aftertaf> so type:    sudo nano /etc/lilo.conf
[11:30] <aftertaf> and type in YOUR user password
[11:30] <aftertaf> !lilo
[11:30] <ubotu> aftertaf: I don't know, could you explain it?
[11:31] <Strike4ce> ok got that
[11:31] <Strike4ce> now what?
[11:32] <aftertaf> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=23216
[11:32] <aftertaf> sounds like your pb....
[11:32] <Strike4ce> nano is up
[11:33] <Strike4ce> now what?
[11:33] <aftertaf> looking.....
[11:33] <Strike4ce> aftertaf?
[11:34] <Hobbsee> ah, looking what is the question
[11:34] <Hobbsee> evening all
[11:34] <Strike4ce> im not getting a dual boot system and instead of grub it only let me use lilo
[11:35] <Hobbsee> what error does grub give?
[11:35] <aftertaf> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+WinNT-3.html#ss3.1
[11:35] <aftertaf> sometimes grub cant be installed on laptops, apparently.
[11:35] <aftertaf> so ubuntu defaults to lilo.
[11:35] <Strike4ce> i cant remember its already installed
[11:35] <Hobbsee> ah right
[11:36] <aftertaf> and we need to setup lilo for dualboot with windows
[11:36] <Strike4ce> I had a succesful ubuntu instal earlier today
[11:36] <Strike4ce> with grub
[11:36] <aftertaf> Strike4ce:  you have a "other=/dev/hdaX" section in your lilo conf file
[11:37] <Strike4ce> then i did a reinstall wiped out everything installed windows and then kubunta
[11:37] <aftertaf> ok.
[11:37] <Strike4ce> not that I can see
[11:37] <aftertaf> does it look sth like this
[11:37] <aftertaf>  boot=/dev/hda
[11:37] <aftertaf>       timeout=50
[11:37] <aftertaf>       prompt
[11:37] <aftertaf>           default=linux
[11:37] <aftertaf>           vga=normal
[11:37] <aftertaf>           read-only
[11:38] <aftertaf>       image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.12-20
[11:38] <aftertaf>           label=linux
[11:38] <aftertaf>           root=/dev/hda3
[11:38] <aftertaf>       other=/dev/hda1
[11:38] <aftertaf>           label=nt
[11:38] <Strike4ce> in the nano?
[11:38] <aftertaf> yep
[11:38] <Strike4ce> no it doesnt
[11:39] <aftertaf> you have an image=/boot/vm something line?
[11:39] <Strike4ce> boot=/dva/hda/ and root=/dev/hda5
[11:39] <aftertaf> ok
[11:39] <aftertaf> on the line below, type other=/dev/hda1
[11:40] <aftertaf> and on lne below, label=windows
[11:41] <Strike4ce> oh wait I scrolled down it says other=/dva/hda4
[11:41] <Strike4ce> underneath that label=hurd next line restricted
[11:41] <morrow> hmmm the installer still hangs while testing http connects to the security-apt sources
[11:41] <Strike4ce> alias=3
[11:42] <Strike4ce> other=/dev/hda1
[11:42] <aftertaf> Strike4ce:  ok. does the other line have a # in front?
[11:42] <Strike4ce> label=windows3
[11:43] <Strike4ce> restricted
[11:43] <Strike4ce> label=windows3 does'nt
[11:44] <aftertaf> and the other=/dev/hda1 line?    a # ?
[11:44] <Strike4ce> yes
[11:44] <aftertaf> ok. remove the #
[11:44] <aftertaf> and on the restricted line too if there is one.
[11:45] <Strike4ce> ok what about hda1?
[11:45] <aftertaf> when done, save and quit nano..
[11:45] <aftertaf> what do you mean?
[11:45] <Strike4ce> it has one by restricted
[11:45] <aftertaf> remove it too.
[11:45] <aftertaf> then done, save and quit nano..
[11:46] <Strike4ce> save session profile or default?
[11:47] <aftertaf> Ctl X to quit, Y to confirm changes, Enter to keep same name
[11:49] <aftertaf> you done that?
[11:50] <Strike4ce> jus sec
[11:52] <aftertaf> ok.
[11:53] <m0ns00n> Anyone know a good mysql editor for linux?
[11:53] <m0ns00n> seems like mysqlcc is gone from breezy
[11:54] <Strike4ce> damn the nano is blank
[11:54] <m0ns00n> (mysql-administrator isn't complete without mysql-query-browser, and the duo is a pain in the ass)
[11:54] <m0ns00n> :-D
[11:56] <Strike4ce> Screw it Im reinstalling windows then redo kubunta
[11:57] <aftertaf> hehe ok.
[11:57] <Strike4ce> i messed up when I partitioned with windows install I made 2 20 gb partitions
[11:58] <Strike4ce> I will install windows to the primary drive and then install kubunta and let it talk me thru like I did with the install to ubunta
[11:59] <Strike4ce> I will let kubunta partition
[12:00] <aftertaf> oki.
[12:00] <aftertaf> that way its clean.
[12:00] <aftertaf> and dont forget 500meg for swap file !!!!! :)
[12:01] <Strike4ce> Will it prompt me for that?
[12:01] <aftertaf> not exactly.... but you manually partition and you can do that.
[12:01] <Strike4ce> ok is that hard?
[12:01] <aftertaf> install win on 15 gig. and leave the rest totally empty, not even a logical parition or sth;
[12:02] <aftertaf> no not hard. just read and be sure of what you do.
[12:02] <Strike4ce> im installing windows now
[12:02] <aftertaf> you can add your win partition to be mounted auto with a mount point from that tool.
[12:02] <aftertaf> delete all. make a 15 gig partiton.
[12:02] <aftertaf> leave the rest.
[12:02] <aftertaf> ;)
[12:02] <aftertaf> brb (food time)
[12:02] <Strike4ce> then do manual with kubuntu
[12:03] <aftertaf> if you get stuck, go to #ubuntu too....
[12:03] <aftertaf> yes, for partitioning
[12:03] <aftertaf> brb
[12:04] <propagandhi> howdy
[12:04] <Strike4ce> I wont be able to have to go to work soon lol
[12:04] <Strike4ce> been doing this all day and night
[12:04] <Strike4ce> ole lady is pissed lol
[12:13] <chx> this https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8674 was once fixed -- if it's not resolved soon, I'll try to compile my own lib qt -- anyone tried that?
[12:16] <crimsun> chx: it's [probably]  too late; tomorrow is freeze.
[12:16] <chx> crimsun: but this is a bug... and bugs are fixed even after release, aren't they??
[12:17] <crimsun> chx: only if it's either security erratum or a crasher
[12:18] <chx> that's bad :(
[12:18] <crimsun> sorry, but this is a very low priority issue atm
[12:18] <chx> I guess but if it was fixed once...?
[12:18] <chx> and it's not for me...
[12:19] <chx> also, I am fine with compiling my libqt...
[12:19] <chx> just need the patch :)
[12:19] <crimsun> let's put this in perspective: if a patch that prevents a kernel OOPS on boot was rejected, I highly doubt a graphical issue is going to be patched.
[12:20] <chx> heh
[12:21] <chx> I see... but, as the issues mentions, and I have seen in a Hoary update (KDE 3.4.2 probably?) there is a patch somewhere out there which solves the thing -- it's not that I press to put that into Breezy, but I'd like to fix my own system
[12:23] <chx> so, where should I start looking for the patch? :)
[12:25] <asraniel> hi, what is the easiest way to make a whole partition rw for every user? now its only for the root rw, others have only r. i tried this, but it doesent worksudo chmod -R +777 * 
[12:34] <aftertaf> asraniel:  see mount
[12:51] <Strike4ce> aftertaf its ready again lol
[12:53] <ludwig> hallo, ich habe soeben kubuntu installiert und eine frage zu kontact
[12:53] <ludwig> kann mir jemand helfen?
[12:53] <ludwig> ist das hier kein ffentlicher chat?
[12:57] <gibarian> Hey everyone...does anyone know how to actually use Katapult?
[01:03] <gsuveg> gibarian: alt + space
[01:04] <gsuveg> and write what you want to run
[01:05] <aftertaf> !katapult
[01:05] <ubotu> Katapult is an application for KDE designed to provide faster access to applications, bookmarks and other items. Once you've installed it, alt+f2 ->katapult, then hit Alt+Space.
[01:06] <aftertaf> ubotu:  no, Katapult is an application for KDE designed to provide faster access to applications, bookmarks and other items. Once you've installed it, alt+f2 ->katapult, then hit Alt+Space. When splash screen appears, type the command you want.
[01:06] <ubotu> aftertaf: okay
[01:22] <Gangster> Aftertaf - This thing still isn't working >.<
[01:37] <aftertaf> Gangster:  there may be a pb with the image, or with your material somewhere.....
[01:38] <aftertaf> i dont know what else to suggest... apart download and burn at  friends house?
[01:38] <Gangster> Hmm.
[01:39] <Gangster> I'll keep trying whatever I can.
[01:39] <Gangster> But thanks.
[01:39] <aftertaf> sorry cant help more :/
[01:39] <Gangster> No problem.
[01:39] <Gangster> I'll figgure it out somehow...
[01:39] <Gangster> >.>;;
[01:39] <Gangster> Gotta go now.
[01:39] <Gangster> Talk to you later.
[01:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> not like you aftertaf :)
[01:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi aftertaf :) hows it goin?
[01:40] <aftertaf> lol
[01:40] <aftertaf> hehe
[01:40] <aftertaf> can only do so much
[01:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> what was up?
[01:40] <aftertaf> install cd not working
[01:40] <aftertaf> md5 ok.
[01:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh :( pity
[01:40] <os2mac> are there any plans afoot to add config saving and persistant /home to the LIVE distros?
[01:41] <aftertaf> no idea os2mac 
[01:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> not afaik. (but it may be a feature bug in bugzilla)
[01:41] <aftertaf> considering principle behind live cds...... might not be either
[01:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> woo linux conf au 2k6 has Mark S going :D:D *books flight to new zeland*
[01:42] <os2mac> well I have been playing with this for about 2 weeks... really like the distro (much better in my opinion than Knoppix et. al.) because it actually detects my hardware and sets  up ACPI. 
[01:43] <aftertaf> hehe
[01:43] <os2mac> but would be nice to be able to save the NDIS install and configuration so I don't have to run a script set it up everytime I boot up.
[01:44] <os2mac> and the other distro has a feature like that....
[01:44] <nikkia> os2mac: knoppix always worked with my hardware, my principle issue with knoppix was always their bizarre (ab)use of the debian package system
[01:44] <os2mac> you can save the config to a .img file on a thumb drive and read it at bootup.
[01:45] <nikkia> ie, relying on debian's repositories for 99% of stuff, and providing -knx versions of packages that replaced debian versions, unfortunately, that means that if you want to install some things, it will depend on the wrong package, and you have to play the dpkg juggling game to remove the -knx version without upsetting the rest
[01:45] <os2mac> I have weird hardware when it comes to video. I have a widescreen Dell Inspiron and no one except you guys seem to detect the video correctly and set the resolution right.
[01:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> nikkia, that sounds bezare
[01:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> *bizare
[01:45] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: it is
[01:46] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: its even more frustrating when they have some *system* files within their own app packages
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. sounds.... 'interesting'....
[01:46] <os2mac> I also wish that some one would write a native driver for my broadcom based wlan nic but i doubt that will happen. 
[01:47] <nikkia> for example, the mime-types file is provided by the -knx version of openoffice, so you have to remove openoffice to be able to overwrite the mime-types file with debian's real system package for it
[01:48] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: of course, you don't discover this until you've got apt-get in a state where its constantly trying to configure a package, so you can't apt-get remove the packages, you have to play the dpkg juggling game :)
[01:48] <os2mac> and oh by the way LOVE Adept..... loathe kynaptic....
[01:48] <aftertaf> :)
[01:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> nikkia: perfect for new users :)
[01:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> sounds like knoppix is worth playing with installed ;)
[01:49] <nikkia> cripes, its nearly 1pm
[01:49] <nikkia> and i wanted to have a bath before heading to the office :/
[01:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> i only ever ran it live, and now use ubuntu for live stuff anyway
[01:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol nikkia, you must get up early
[01:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> cos your getting up while im online
[01:50] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: getting up?
[01:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> out of bed
[01:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> ?
[01:50] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: erm, i've been 'out of bed' about 5 hours now :P
[01:50] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: i just need to go to the office this afternoon, and wanted a bath before i did so
[01:51] <aftertaf> dont take your laptop into the bath.... sound science advise :)
[01:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. your in the states? *tries to remember where ppl are*
[01:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol aftertaf
[01:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> all the best ppl do :)
[01:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> *do = did ;D
[01:51] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: i'm in the UK
[01:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah ok. :)
[01:52] <aftertaf> nikkia:  really? where abouts?
[01:54] <nikkia> aftertaf: hertfordshire
[01:56] <aftertaf> oki.. cool :)
[01:57] <aftertaf> a fellow brit :)
[01:57] <aftertaf> i'm originally from yorkshire.... but in france for 8 years now.
[01:57] <bdmp> I'm looking to install Java and that bittorrent client, which I can't spell, Azaurus. Can anyone explain me how to do this?
[01:58] <aftertaf> there are apparently better bittorrent clients. it is slower cos of java......
[01:58] <aftertaf> echoing what i'v eheard.
[01:58] <bdmp> echoing is the name of the client?
[01:58] <aftertaf> nope :)    verb i was doing :)
[01:59] <aftertaf> type apt-cache search torrent in a shell.
[01:59] <bdmp> what are the better clients? bittornado doesn't like to continue after a restart. Kinda a pain. 
[02:00] <aftertaf> that i can't tell you, i dont know.
[02:00] <aftertaf> ktorrent?
[02:00] <aftertaf> or qtorrent
[02:12] <bdmp> I actually have qtorrent installed but it wasn't in the start menu so I didn't realize it. How can I add a icon to the start menu for a program that is not listed in it?
[02:14] <aftertaf> rightclick the K menu and choose menueditor.... then add it whre you want
[02:15] <bdmp> sweet. thanks
[02:15] <aftertaf> :)
[02:17] <cyne> how do i allow firefox to utilise my http and https protocols rather than konqueror ?
[02:19] <aftertaf> change file associasions in kcontrol
[02:20] <aftertaf> kde components: component chooser, even....
[02:23] <cyne> thankyou aftertaf
[02:27] <aftertaf> :)
[02:41] <cyne> oh, nice they updated nvidia driver
[02:41] <cyne> i might be able to turn on my special effects now ;)
[02:42] <cyne> anyone else been updating and had success with latest nvidia?
[03:00] <fabiorizzo> hi
[03:01] <apokryphos> hi
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[03:03] <fabiorizzo> i got some erros when i try to use the administrative privilegies
[03:03] <fabiorizzo> i can't configure anything, like network
[03:04] <fabiorizzo> i'm using the kubuntu rc1
[03:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> what sort of errors?
[03:06] <fabiorizzo> Kamping_Kaiser: the wizard ignores my entered pass
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> so you cant get root privilages?
[03:07] <fabiorizzo> Kamping_Kaiser: yes
[03:07] <fabiorizzo> Kamping_Kaiser: i can get in console mode, but in kde itself not
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> and your using breezy? hm. i thought that bug would have been fixed
[03:08] <fabiorizzo> Kamping_Kaiser: yes, i'm using breezy. I'm run the aptitude update, upgrade
[03:08] <fabiorizzo> Kamping_Kaiser: now, i'm running the aptitude dist-upgrade
[03:09] <fabiorizzo> Kamping_Kaiser: maybe this can help
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> fabiorizzo: i hope so, otherwise can you tell them in #ubuntu-bugs (not sure if there is a kde only chan for bugs)
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats an old hoary bug if you cant use sudo
[03:12] <helpme> can anyone here plz try to help me out?
[03:12] <fabiorizzo> Kamping_Kaiser: thanks
[03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> helpme: ask a question. if ppl can help, they will
[03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> they dont know how to help by instinct
[03:15] <helpme> ya here goes...its a long request actually....
[03:16] <helpme> Plz do me a favour.....and help me switch to kubuntu breezy. I'm very excited to install kubuntu breezy but the only reason that holds me back is that I have installed many bioinformatics packages via synaptic in kanotix so i do not want to lose them.
[03:16] <helpme> so i just wanna know will i be able to install them in kubuntu easily? since kubuntu aint fully debain compatible??
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> what are the packages called? tehy may be in apt already
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> or are they custom debs?
[03:17] <helpme> can ANYONE here plz apt-get install blast2 bioperl biofox
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> !info blast2
[03:18] <ubotu> blast2: (Basic Local Alignment Search Tool), section universe/science, is optional. Version: 1:2.2.10.20041020-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 281 kB, Installed size: 868 kB
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> !info bioperl
[03:18] <ubotu> bioperl: (Perl tools for computational molecular biology), section universe/science, is optional. Version: 1.4-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 2131 kB, Installed size: 10384 kB
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> !info biofox
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> biofox doesnt seem to exist in apt. those others ok versions?
[03:19] <helpme> also add a repo deb http://envgen.nox.ac.uk/bio-linux/ unstable bio-linux
[03:19] <helpme> then apt-get bio-linux-emboss......and just see if it all gets installed or not.......
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> those debs may or may not work. they would with a bit of pokeing
[03:20] <helpme> if yes i'd love to install kubuntu breezy......my internet is slow with limited download limit so i cant waste bandwidth....
[03:20] <helpme> Kamping_Kaiser: what poking will i have to do??
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> helpme: you may have version conflicts (i dont know for sure, im not an expert on such things)
[03:38] <helpme> btw how fast is the new kubuntu? does it boot faster? plz reply
[03:38] <Tm_T> boot?
[03:38] <Tm_T> irrelevant imho
[03:38] <helpme> relevant imho
[03:38] <Tm_T> how
[03:39] <Tm_T> 1min boot, two weeks up
[03:39] <helpme> coz it will let me into kubuntu sooner! simple! looks like u like loooooooooong boot times!
[03:40] <Tm_T> nah
[03:40] <Tm_T> but I don't mind about boot time much if I know it's worth it
[03:40] <Tm_T> and it is
[03:40] <Tm_T> and no, it's not slow
[03:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> helpme: get a milo while it boots :)
[03:41] <helpme> hmmm
[03:42] <helpme> !info emboss
[03:42] <helpme> !info bioperl
[03:42] <ubotu> bioperl: (Perl tools for computational molecular biology), section universe/science, is optional. Version: 1.4-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 2131 kB, Installed size: 10384 kB
[03:43] <helpme> ! ncbiinfo
[03:43] <ubotu> helpme: Are you on ritalin?
[03:43] <helpme> ritalin? whats ritalin?
[03:43] <cyne> !info PyKDE
[03:43] <helpme> !info ncbi
[03:44] <amu>  !exec halt 
[03:44] <ubotu> Wish i knew, amu
[03:44] <Tm_T> !stfu
[03:44] <ubotu> Tm_T: I give up, what is it?
[03:50] <helpme> is there any place where i can search all the official kubuntu repos??
[03:51] <Tm_T> good question
[03:51] <helpme> for a particular package?
[03:51] <helpme> ubotu: plz help
[03:51] <ubotu> helpme: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> packages.archive.ubuntu.com or similar isnt it?
[03:51] <regeya> rofflecopters.
[03:51] <helpme> ubotu: huh?
[03:51] <ubotu> I don't know, helpme
[03:52] <regeya> !start an editor war
[03:52] <ubotu> ed is better than xemacs
[03:52] <Tm_T> kate!
[03:52] <helpme> nedit is the best
[03:52] <regeya> helpme: I think you DID get hit by a windmill.
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> pffh
[03:52] <Tm_T> regeya: I don't think so, I know
[03:52] <cyne> helpme: try kynaptic
[03:52] <helpme> is ubotu a person or some automatic answering machine? im confused....
[03:53] <regeya> helpme: ubotu is a BOT.
[03:53] <regeya> uBOTu
[03:53] <helpme> regeya:  r u referring to my choice of nedit?
[03:53] <regeya> chris on a crutch
[03:53] <Tm_T> helpme: apt-cache
[03:55] <regeya> ubotu, I love you long time
[03:55] <ubotu> regeya: What?
[03:55] <regeya> ubotu, I LOVE YOU LONG TIME 
[03:55] <ubotu> regeya: I don't know
[03:55] <regeya> ubotu, but my feelings are clear!  why do you not love me?
[03:55] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, regeya
[03:56] <regeya> !flame ubotu
[03:56] <ubotu> regeya: Are you on ritalin?
[03:56] <regeya> okay, I'm done, I swear.
[03:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. good ;)
[03:56] <regeya> sorry
[03:57] <regeya> just a bit of fun.  it amused me, but I'm easily amused.
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats ok... we all do it ;)
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> just while your not here so we can preach
[03:57] <regeya> o_O
[03:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> 0_o
[04:28] <pointwood> does kde have backups of desktop settings?
[04:28] <rikva> pointwood: I think not
[04:29] <pointwood> when I booted my system a few minutes ago, it had completely changed my settings :(
[04:29] <pointwood> all font settings were suddenly very small...
[04:29] <rikva> did you do a clean shutdown?
[04:29] <rikva> or an update?
[04:30] <pointwood> yes and no
[04:31] <rikva> strange
[04:31] <pointwood> yup
[04:55] <robin_2> how can I let Openoffice use my kde theme
[04:55] <robin_2> instead of that ugly looking gnome stuff.
[04:55] <robin_2> I mean the buttons, scrollbars etc..
[04:58] <blackflag> Hello all :-)
[04:59] <blackflag> I have a probelm with ntfs and /or grub
[04:59] <blackflag> Im not able to boot the m$ partition
[04:59] <blackflag> when I select m$
[04:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> doze xp?
[04:59] <blackflag> i run back in the grub menu
[05:00] <blackflag> yes, xp
[05:00] <blackflag> pro
[05:00] <blackflag> but this is new
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> is xp the first partition on the first drive?
[05:00] <blackflag> I was able to boot the xp
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, it has been working?
[05:00] <blackflag> yes its (hd0,0)
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> check if your menu.list was screwed over in your last update
[05:01] <blackflag> the menu.lst is okay
[05:01] <blackflag> I tried to mount teh partition
[05:01] <blackflag> and can not
[05:01] <blackflag> bad fs type
[05:02] <blackflag> when I boot with grub
[05:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> can you boot ubuntu and mount the partition? ie does it mount?
[05:02] <blackflag> I see very short the message unknown partiton type 0x7
[05:03] <blackflag> no, I cant mount the partition but can boot ubuntu
[05:03] <sveri> i am not sure, but iirc hoary cannot mount ntfs partitions by default
[05:03] <blackflag> but all was going, so it sdhould work
[05:03] <sveri> hm, ok, so i was wrong
[05:03] <blackflag> all what I find googling is
[05:04] <blackflag> that there is an issue with the 2.6 kernel
[05:04] <robin_2> how can I let Openoffice use my kde theme ??
[05:04] <blackflag> but I had the 2.6 kernel and was able to boot m$
[05:04] <blackflag> but now not
[05:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> robin_2: check you have the qt packages installed
[05:04] <blackflag> I really dont know what is going wrong
[05:04] <sveri> blackflag: what did you change?
[05:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> !dapper
[05:05] <ubotu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be called the "Dapper Drake" release.
[05:05] <blackflag> I installed a suse on a third partition
[05:05] <blackflag> and can boot it
[05:05] <blackflag> with the ubuntu grub
[05:05] <sveri> hm, did you install a bootmanager when you installed suse?
[05:05] <blackflag> qt package is installed
[05:06] <blackflag> it shows me a red ntfs partition
[05:06] <blackflag> so is there something wrong with ntfs?
[05:06] <sveri> i dont think so
[05:06] <blackflag> can I repair the ntfs
[05:06] <blackflag> ?
[05:07] <blackflag> fdisk shows all
[05:07] <sveri> once again, did you install a bootmanager with the suse install?
[05:07] <blackflag> so I dont know where I put my fingers on
[05:07] <sveri> blackflag: plz answer my questions ;-)
[05:07] <blackflag> no, I dont install a bootmanager with sue
[05:08] <sveri> hm, ok, thats really weird
[05:08] <blackflag> How I dicribed I boot suse with the ubuntu grub
[05:08] <_robin> Kamping_Kaiser: Ok will do that
[05:08] <sveri> so you edited the menu.lst in ubuntu and made an entry for the suse partition?
[05:09] <blackflag> has someone a hint, what I can try?
[05:09] <blackflag> yes, I made a entry for suse
[05:10] <blackflag> And I can boot it
[05:10] <sveri> on which partition did you install suse, and on which one is windows?
[05:10] <sveri> and on which one ubuntu?
[05:11] <_robin> Kamping_Kaiser: I have installed the openoffice.org2-kde package, but it still uses gnome widgets (kubuntu breezy)
[05:11] <blackflag> ubuntu is on (0,1), win (0,0) , suse (0,1)
[05:11] <blackflag> 2 hdd's !
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> _robin: are you using the x86-64 version? i remember that having problems, otherwise im not sure what could cause it
[05:12] <_robin> Kamping_Kaiser: yes i'm running the x86-64 version
[05:12] <blackflag> ubuntu is (1,0)
[05:12] <blackflag> sorry
[05:12] <sveri> blackflag: but that cannot be, or can it, ubuntu and suse on the same partition
[05:12] <sveri> ?
[05:12] <sveri> ok ;-)
[05:12] <blackflag> okay again
[05:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> _robin: that is probably your issue. im not sure whats happening with that
[05:12] <beast> blackflag: what does your windows entry look like inside the menu.lst ?
[05:12] <blackflag> win (0,0), suse (0,1), ubuntu (1,0)
[05:13] <_robin> Kamping_Kaiser: hmm ok thx anyway
[05:13] <blackflag> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
[05:13] <blackflag> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">

[05:13] <blackflag> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />
[05:13] <blackflag> <meta name="Generator" content="Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor" />

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[05:14] <blackflag> title		Microsoft Windows XP Professional
[05:14] <blackflag> root		(hd0,0)
[05:14] <blackflag> #rootnoverify		(hd0,0)
[05:14] <blackflag> savedefault
[05:14] <blackflag> makeactive
[05:14] <blackflag> chainloader	+1


[05:14] <beast>  title         Windows 95/98/NT/2000
[05:14] <beast> # root          (hd0,0)
[05:14] <beast> # makeactive
[05:14] <beast> # chainloader   +1
[05:14] <_robin> blackflag: please use the pastebin !
[05:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> seconded
[05:14] <_robin> beast: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[05:14] <_robin> eh blackflag.
[05:14] <blackflag> okay
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> same with beast actualy :)
[05:15] <blackflag> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/390163
[05:15] <martinjh99> Just upgraded from Hoary to breezy :)  Why does Openoffice.org2 insist on installing version 1.1.5 as well?
[05:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> martinjh99: do you have kubuntu-desktop package installed?
[05:16] <blackflag> beast: you mean I should uncomment ths entries?
[05:17] <beast> blackflag: that is my menu.lst where my hda drive has windows
[05:17] <martinjh99> Kaiser> Nope... Should I have?  The upgrade seemed to go ok and It de-installed when I uninstalled koffice...
[05:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> martinjh99: if you want things like oo.o 1 removed yes, you need it  :) you can remove it after the upgrade, but it should be there now
[05:19] <sveri> blackflag: hm, i dont have the comments my one looks like beast ones
[05:19] <mars> HI
[05:19] <blackflag> when I uncomment  root how should the bootloader find the partition?
[05:19] <mars> I have big problem
[05:19] <mars> I will write something about it
[05:20] <martinjh99> Kaiser> Actually when I remove openoffice.org from adept it only seems to remove 1.1.5 so it maybe just me being hamfisted ;)
[05:20] <beast> blackflag: it looks to hd(0,0)
[05:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> martinjh99: if you install kubuntu-desktop in breezy, it should clean up dependancies, then you can fix anything left by hadn if you want
[05:21] <blackflag> but all was working with the entries I have
[05:21] <sveri> try it without the comments, and plz report here if it worked ;-)
[05:21] <martinjh99> Kaiser> Done that now...  I think I can remove oo.o1 without too much trouble - Thanks!!!
[05:22] <blackflag> Okay I will try it.
[05:22] <blackflag> till later
[05:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> have fun martinjh99 :D
[05:23] <beast> blackflag: comment what you have in your current menu.lst and add my entry instead... you can add this one: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/390169
[05:24] <mars> Ehh
[05:24] <mars> I had a lag
[05:24] <mars> can someone help me?
[05:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> still dont know your problem mars
[05:33] <_mars> ehh
[05:33] <_mars> it still disconnets me ...
[05:34] <_mars> So no idea what i can do...
[05:34] <tomasz> Heya ... Im having trouble installing Mozilla .... Im having this error message .. any clue why ?
[05:35] <tomasz> ./firefox-installer-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:35] <_robin> probably you don't have that lib
[05:35] <_mars> He he
[05:35] <_mars> tomasz
[05:35] <_mars> zrb
[05:35] <_mars> sudo apt0get mozilla-firefox :)
[05:35] <_mars> apt-get
[05:35] <_robin> and indeed apt-get is easier.
[05:35] <tomasz> hehe no dzieki :)
[05:36] <tomasz> thanks
[05:36] <_mars> but
[05:36] <_mars> wehat with my problem :/
[05:36] <tomasz> E: Invalid operation mozilla-firefox
[05:37] <tomasz> :/ rgh
[05:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. install
[05:37] <_mars> ye
[05:37] <_mars> i forgot like always :)
[05:38] <blackflag> back again :-)
[05:38] <blackflag> but the enties in menu.lst dont work
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb
[05:39] <blackflag> nothing booting all what I see is the boot menu
[05:39] <blackflag> it seems grub dont knows ntfs
[05:39] <sveri> so i am sry ;-)
[05:39] <blackflag> cause it says me unknown partition type
[05:40] <blackflag> I try to reinstall grub
[05:40] <blackflag> may is this a good idea?
[05:40] <sveri> it wouldnt change anything
[05:41] <blackflag> hmm, what is do?
[05:41] <blackflag> googling shows me that others had same probvlems
[05:41] <blackflag> but nothing what it solves
[05:42] <blackflag> Im wondering cause I have a logical ntfs partition that I can mount
[05:42] <blackflag> but not the primary partition
[05:43] <blackflag> I asume that is something broken with ntfs
[05:43] <blackflag> on the primary ntfs
[05:43] <blackflag> Is there a way under linux to check ntfs?
[05:44] <sveri> good question
[05:44] <sveri> you could try what Beasts posted menu.lst
[05:44] <sveri>  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/390169
[05:45] <sveri> maybe that would do it
[05:45] <pointwood> blackflag: what is your problem?
[05:46] <blackflag> pointwood: Im not able to boot a ntfs partition
[05:46] <pointwood> I have a linux/windowsXP using ntfs dualboot with 
[05:46] <pointwood> what is your setup?
[05:47] <blackflag> sveri: that are the entries I had!!
[05:48] <sveri> blackflag: ok, just wanted to mention it to be sure
[05:48] <blackflag> pointwood: xp, suse, ubuntu booting with grub
[05:49] <pointwood> on the same disk?
[05:49] <beast> blackflag: did you install xp after linux, or before?
[05:50] <blackflag> before
[05:50] <blackflag> and I was able to boot all
[05:51] <blackflag> I found ntfsprogs
[05:51] <sveri> hm, i believe there was something half a year ago where you weren't able to boot windows anymore after a suse or fedora install
[05:52] <blackflag> ntfsfix gives me this:
[05:52] <blackflag> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/390186
[05:52] <blackflag> thats the thing the progi can not mount the part and also Im not able to mount it by hand
[05:53] <pointwood> uhoh
[05:53] <sveri> hm, the only thing you can try is to recover it from the windows installation cd
[05:54] <sveri> i dont see another solusion
[05:54] <blackflag> yes, I think also
[05:54] <blackflag> sorry, but shit
[05:54] <sveri> yes, it is
[05:54] <sveri> maybe you have to reinstall the mbr with fixmbr from the windows console
[05:55] <sveri> but afterwards you have to boot into ubuntu to reinstall grub ;-)
[05:55] <blackflag> but it overwrite my grub?
[05:55] <sveri> with a livecd or something like that
[05:55] <sveri> yes, it surely would blackflag
[05:56] <blackflag> okay, thanks for help :-)
[05:56] <blackflag> so I'll try to repair the ntfs partition
[05:56] <sveri> i hope you'll get it done
[05:58] <beast> blackflag: did you run chkdsk?
[05:58] <blackflag> no, chkdsk is it on ubuntu?
[05:58] <blackflag> or you mean on m$ ?
[05:59] <beast> blackflag: on ubuntu
[05:59] <blackflag> I get command not found
[06:00] <blackflag> and I can not install chkdsk
[06:00] <blackflag> hmmm, where is it?
[06:00] <beast> blackflag: sorry, i was thinking of something else... chkdsk is for windows
[06:01] <blackflag> okay, I do a pause watching Simpson!
[06:02] <sveri> *fg have fun
[06:02] <blackflag> and  try a repair with the xp CD
[06:02] <blackflag> thanks all!!!
[06:02] <sveri> np you're Welcome
[06:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> for the record kids... making a mirror of ubuntu is much more downloading then its worth at 256k/s or 512k/s :(
[06:17] <Juerd> Really? :)
[06:17] <Juerd> No kidding.
[06:17] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: :o
[06:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> Juerd: yeh, no kidding ;)
[06:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Tm_T :)
[06:19] <Phantom^^> can anyone tell me how i can set a permanent enviroment variable, to use apt i have to go through a proxy but i'm getting tired of typing export http_proxy=http:// etc etc at the command line everytime i want to do it?
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser>  /etc/network/interfaces for that i expect
[06:20] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: oi! whatcha doin!
[06:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> :o
[06:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> im playing gnometris
[06:20] <Tm_T> :/
[06:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> :|
[06:21] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: have you tried jake2 ?
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, whats it like?
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> im a tetris clone junky
[06:27] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Kamping_Kaiser: You should try tetrinet
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> Rogue_Jedi_Zero: i have heard of it, never playe dthough
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> damn, cant install it atm, proxy servers offline
[06:29] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Kamping_Kaiser: It's really nifty. You play tetris with other players. If you clear more than two lines, the other players GET whatever number of lines you cleared minus one
[06:29] <spiral> hi
[06:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> RJZ. cool :D hi spiral
[06:30] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: jake2 is java quake 2
[06:30] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: pretty good, I like
[06:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> Tm_T: sounds sickening (its in java) but great fun (if its like quake 2). so im not sure how to react to it :D
[06:35] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> I need to reduce the size of one of my partitions without losing data on it, create another partition with the remaining space and install Windows on it. Are there any guides for that?
[06:36] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: well, try it, webstart rocks
[06:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> Rogue_Jedi_Zero: live cd, because your space will have to be at the front of the drive iirc (or does xp let you chose)?
[06:38] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Kamping_Kaiser: No idea
[06:38] <kryl> salut
[06:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have a recolection that xp can go anywhere, so as long as you unmount teh drive first, you should be ok to partiotn form inside ubuntu
[06:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi kryl
[06:38] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> The job I got requires me to make timetables with a complex timetabling program which only runs on windows
[06:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[06:39] <kryl> Kubuntu uses KDE by default instead of GNOME as in Ubuntu (hence the K) < that's the only differences ?
[06:39] <Tm_T> kryl: mostly yes
[06:39] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> kryl: ...and it uses mostly KDE apps, yeah
[06:40] <kryl> ok great
[06:40] <Tm_T> kryl: Kubuntu is like Ubuntu +K
[06:40] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Kamping_Kaiser: Is there a nice partitioning software for Linux with a GUI? Like Partition Magic?
[06:40] <Tm_T> really, it's all extra baby
[06:40] <philipacamaniac> Tm_T: You compile amaroK from SVN regularly, right?
[06:40] <Tm_T> philipacamaniac: yes
[06:40] <Tm_T> Rogue_Jedi_Zero: qtparted
[06:41] <kryl> What I hate to do to update my actual version of ubuntu ? I use horary at this time
[06:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> Rogue_Jedi_Zero: 'nice' maybe not, but qtparted and gparted are available
[06:41] <kryl> hoary sorry
[06:41] <philipacamaniac> Tm_T: did you have to compile a new version of TagLib than what is in the Ubuntu repo?
[06:41] <Tm_T> philipacamaniac: yes
[06:41] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Thanks, Kamping_Kaiser and Tm_T 
[06:41] <kryl> and I want to change to Breezy
[06:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> kryl: change your sources to breezy and then dist-upgrade. do you need help with it?
[06:42] <kryl> Not really
[06:42] <kryl> thank you for that
[06:42] <philipacamaniac> Tm_T: Was the TagLib compile fairly painless?
[06:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. good luck kryl. feel free to come back and ask
[06:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> ill be here for another hour at least :)
[06:43] <Tm_T> philipacamaniac: it was horrifying, I was forced to download sources!!!
[06:43] <Tm_T> philipacamaniac: no, easy as whiping ass
[06:43] <Tm_T> philipacamaniac: so do it, it's worth it :)
[06:44] <philipacamaniac> Tm_T: thanks, that's been my only snag
[06:44] <kryl> :)
[06:44] <Tm_T> heh
[06:44] <kryl> it's time to leave the work office for me
[06:44] <kryl> see u later perhaps ;)
[06:44] <kryl> bye & thanks to all others too
[06:49] <TokenBad> finally found a good bandwidth monitor
[06:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> which is it?
[06:50] <TokenBad> etherape
[06:51] <rikva> EtherApe, not EtheRape
[06:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, thats neat
[06:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[06:51] <TokenBad> yeah I hadn't seen it till updated to breezy
[06:51] <rikva> wow looks nice!
[06:53] <kryl> :)
[06:53] <kryl> re
[06:53] <kryl> a last question before to keep out 
[06:53] <pipoun> 
[06:53] <kryl> I just want to know if it is possible to remake my database if I delete the following directory : /var/lib/apt
[06:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont advise
[06:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> it
[06:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can delete /var/cache/apt/archives if youwant
[06:54] <TokenBad> yeah I thought about doing that
[06:54] <TokenBad> get some free space back
[06:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> use apt-cache clear (or clean , i forget)
[06:55] <TokenBad> both get invalid command
[06:55] <kryl> in fact I lost all my packages database
[06:55] <kryl> and I want to rebuild it
[06:55] <kryl> but I'm not sure it is possible
[06:55] <kryl> it's my question in fact
[06:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, apt-get clean <- try that
[06:55] <kryl> apt-get clean is for delete the cash I know
[06:56] <kryl> but that's not the problem
[06:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-get update to fix your db?
[06:56] <kryl> I don't know
[06:56] <kryl> I lost all the directory
[06:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> are you still trying to update? whats the exact problem your having?
[06:57] <^rob^> is there any way to make mozilla open with middle button in new tab? - now it opens in new win! ???
[06:57] <^rob^> hello - btw! :)
[06:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) hi
[06:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> rob, check the settings. theres an 'open in new tab' setting
[06:57] <kryl> I lost the directory with the package database, so the system don't know how to handle packages.
[06:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> i forget exactly where
[06:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> try apt-get update kryl
[06:58] <kryl> it's not sufficient
[06:58] <kryl> I lost the installed package database
[06:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh.... that one :O
[06:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry, i cant help :( 
[06:58] <kryl> not the serveur available lists
[06:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont know, and its to early in the morning to think of ways to fix it :(
[07:01] <beast> kryl: /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:02] <kryl> it seems to be impossible :)
[07:02] <kryl> no pb
[07:02] <kryl> ;)
[07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;(
[07:02] <kryl> I'll use a backup
[07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> it cant be :(
[07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> :'(
[07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh well
[07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> good luck
[07:02] <brosio> how can i remove a package with also all the linked package that it has installed ?
[07:03] <^rob^> Kamping_Kaiser:  i have looked and looked and looked in moz settings - maybe i am too drunk - but did not see "open in new tab" 
[07:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol rob. i should join you
[07:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> are you using mozilla or firefox?
[07:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> brosio: dont know. sometimes i wish i did ;)
[07:04] <^rob^> mozilla
[07:04] <^rob^> ff does that
[07:04] <^rob^> but sometime i need to use in php development both browsers - tabbing use same SESSION
[07:05] <kryl> ;)
[07:05] <kryl> bye
[07:05] <kurtbec> anyone noticed their splash screens not working on shutdown or restart with latest kernel on breezy?
[07:06] <philipacamaniac> kurtbec: you mean the bootsplash (usplash)?
[07:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> there is no shut down splash
[07:06] <kurtbec> philipacamaniac: yes
[07:06] <philipacamaniac> usplash is working here on startup, but it does timeout a little too early
[07:06] <philipacamaniac> and like Kamping_Kaiser said, there is no shutdown splash
[07:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> ^rob^: i can see a setting here
[07:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> 1.7.12
[07:07] <^rob^> Kamping_Kaiser: same ver here
[07:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> navigator -> tabbed browsing -> bottom 2 options
[07:07] <^rob^> there was a plugin for "More settings" or "Forgotten settings" - something like that - any clue?
[07:08] <kurtbec> philipacamaniac: hmm, thats weird.  when I shutdown I just get a black screen with a cursor now.
[07:08] <kurtbec> no messages scrolling by or anything.
[07:08] <kurtbec> so I thought maybe there was a shutdown splash that was trying to kick in and failing.
[07:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont know htat plug in
[07:08] <kurtbec> just seems strange not to be able to see anything while the machine shuts down.
[07:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes, it is :)
[07:09] <philipacamaniac> if you see a cursor, X is still running
[07:09] <^rob^> Kamping_Kaiser: ok - ty for your time! :)
[07:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> ^rob^: no worries, its almost 3am, your as deserving as anyone else of my time ;)
[07:09] <_ej> is it safe to upgrade my kde to 3.5?
[07:09] <_ej> i dont want to break my system
[07:10] <blueyed> _ej: I had no problems with Hoary and Breezy.
[07:10] <blueyed> from kubuntu.org.
[07:10] <^rob^> kurtbec: what video card you have?
[07:10] <_ej> blueyed: cool thanks
[07:10] <blueyed> besides this: Does anyone use KDE 3.5b1 from kubuntu.org on Breezy? Could you please check if the "Terminal Sessions Menu" works? It can be clicked here, but does not pop up the usual list.
[07:10] <^rob^> kurtbec: i had once the same problem - vcard was not 100% supported - was an nvidia 
[07:11] <^rob^> using fb
[07:11] <blueyed> _ej: I've heard about graphic card issues here.. I have a nvidia 6600gt
[07:12] <^rob^> blueyed: what's new in 3.5 ?
[07:12] <^rob^> i have 3.4.2
[07:12] <blueyed> I looks more polished.. ^^
[07:12] <^rob^> any dep repo?
[07:12] <^rob^> deb
[07:12] <^rob^> "_
[07:12] <^rob^> :)
[07:13] <blueyed> kubuntu.org
[07:13] <^rob^> brb
[07:13] <^rob^> :)
[07:13] <^rob^> blueyed: skype still works?
[07:13] <blueyed> ^rob^: I don't use it
[07:13] <^rob^> blueyed: LOL - ok ty
[07:15] <^rob^> anyone has industrial theme?
[07:16] <^rob^> i don't want to install kde dev to compile it and use it
[07:30] <usuario> hola
[07:30] <pramos> holas
[07:30] <usuario> hay alguien por ah
[07:31] <usuario> que no este durmiendo
[07:31] <usuario> o estais todos zobaossssssssssssss
[07:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> night alll
[07:42] <DaSkreech> I changed the kDE splash screen and now something is terribly wrong
[07:42] <DaSkreech> Can I change it back from CLI?
[07:45] <slow-motion> hallo
[07:45] <`Nomad> salut
[07:45] <`Nomad> oh lee oh dee! Oh lee oh daaahh!
[07:45] <`Nomad> :)
[07:47] <slow-motion> hi `Nomad
[07:47] <DaSkreech> OK Something is very wrong :-(
[07:48] <libben> so whens the due?
[07:48] <libben> tomorow=
[07:48] <libben> ?
[07:49] <p01n7bl4nk> Someone advise me on how to lower memory usage and increase swap usage..:-S
[07:49] <`Nomad> Hi Slow-motion.. Sorry I just had a major boost of caffeine. :)
[07:50] <p01n7bl4nk> please?
[07:52] <_julien> hi
[07:56] <philipacamaniac> how can I determine where a device is assigned in /dev? Can I use lspci and lsusb, or is there something more?
[08:01] <nalioth> philipacamaniac: lshw?
[08:01] <philipacamaniac> nalioth: that should work, ty
[08:01] <Riddell> ** KOffice 1.4.2 http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-142.php **
[08:03] <libben> whats KOffice? whats wrong with openoffice=
[08:03] <TokenBad> is there a way to reload the menus in kde like can in gnome without logging out or rebooting?
[08:04] <_robin> TokenBad: most of the time it is updated directly 
[08:04] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: cool, thanks
[08:05] <TokenBad> well I have added games through adept or through kyneptic or whatever and it don't update the menus till I reboot
[08:05] <TokenBad> or log out and back in
[08:06] <TokenBad> and this is everytime
[08:06] <TokenBad> nothing I have installed showed up in menus till I rebooted or reloaded
[08:06] <Riddell> libben: don't get me started :)
[08:07] <libben> so openoffice == junk and KOffice != junk?
[08:07] <libben> btw, why do synaptic allways outputs som gnome errors when its configuring the things ive updated...
[08:07] <philipacamaniac> KOffice is just different, that's all
[08:07] <libben> is it because its gnome based pm
[08:07] <_robin> TokenBad: yeah well, I don't know why it isn't updated directly after a install, it's strange.
[08:08] <TokenBad> thats why wondering if there is a way to reload the menus without logging out and logging back in
[08:08] <Riddell> libben: neither koffice nor openoffice are gnome based
[08:08] <TokenBad> like can in gnome
[08:08] <Riddell> TokenBad: which menus?
[08:08] <_robin> TokenBad: kill kicker and reload it :)
[08:08] <philipacamaniac> If KOffice had good MS import/export filters, I'd use it all the time
[08:08] <TokenBad> the kmenu
[08:09] <libben> gnome errors was refered to Synaptic not the other two programs u mentioned
[08:09] <TokenBad> robin that is an idea
[08:09] <TokenBad> thanks
[08:10] <philipacamaniac> Did everyone see the Breezy review on OSNews?
[08:10] <TokenBad> no philipacamaniac
[08:10] <TokenBad> was it good?
[08:10] <mornfall> Riddell: btw, as for the message targets... that's going to be a bit more complicated than this
[08:10] <philipacamaniac> TokenBad: for the most part, yes
[08:10] <_robin> philipacamaniac: which part not?
[08:10] <philipacamaniac> TokenBad: the Kubuntu screenshot was retarded
[08:10] <mornfall> Riddell: as in, we will probably want to i18n libapt-front
[08:10] <philipacamaniac> They were running smeg, and had huge fonts
[08:11] <Riddell> mornfall: hmm.  still can't be that hard can it?  just have to use those weird _() functions instead of i18n()
[08:12] <Riddell> mornfall: I've had quite a few people ask how they can help translate adept :)
[08:12] <mornfall> Riddell: bleh ;p
[08:12] <mornfall> Riddell: i have no idea, probably libapt-pkg links in gettext so we'd use that
[08:12] <mornfall> Riddell: as for _, that's a bit daft, i'll re-define it to something like i18n anyway
[08:13] <mornfall> Riddell: the interseting part would be how to manage the .po* stuff for libapt-front, i'd guess
[08:15] <Riddell> mornfall: why?  loads of libraries must do that
[08:20] <mornfall> lots of boring work
[08:20] <mornfall> boring work is... boring
[08:21] <philipacamaniac> Wow - my modem clockspeed is 33Mhz. I remember having a computer that ran windows 95 on 33Mhz.
[08:21] <_robin> mornfall: you are the adept developer?
[08:23] <_robin> mornfall: never mind, I see it is.
[08:23] <_robin> *eh you are.
[08:23] <_robin> :)
[08:31] <mornfall> philipacamaniac: install windows 95 on the modem! =)
[08:32] <philipacamaniac> yeah!
[08:32] <mornfall> *cough*
[08:32] <mornfall> _robin: why, what's up?
[08:32] <philipacamaniac> it's actually inside my lappie, so that'd be tough
[08:32] <_robin> mornfall: nothing, keep up the work :)
[08:34] <_robin> mornfall: I like adept, a nice feature would be a automatic updater (like ubuntu got), or are u working on that for breezy ?
[08:34] <mornfall> *cough* *cough* this is getting annoying
[08:34] <mornfall> _robin: breezy is frozen as an icecube
[08:34] <mornfall> that... umm...
[08:34] <mornfall> dapper yeah
[08:35] <mornfall> Riddell: who comes up with those codenames?
[08:35] <_robin> mornfall: dapper as in brave ?
[08:35] <_robin> mornfall: or is dapper also a english word?
[08:35] <mornfall> maybe dapper as in silly ;-)
[08:35] <mornfall> no idea, i didn't invent it
[08:36] <_robin> well dapper is brave in dutch, maybe also in zuid-afrikaans :)
[08:36] <_robin> oh well
[08:36] <_robin> it got another meaning I see
[08:36] <_robin> strange name though.
[08:37] <mornfall> listening to Creed - With arms wide open (0:56/4:35)
[08:40] <philipacamaniac> mornfall: Shuttleworth came up with dapper IIRC
[08:40] <mars> HI
[08:40] <mars> I have problem
[08:40] <mornfall> i so knew that
[08:41] <mars> i changed something and now : mars is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.. How to put me in sudoers?
[08:41] <mornfall> get root, visudo =)
[08:41] <mornfall> i'd say
[08:42] <mornfall> anyone, are text-logins enabled for root?
[08:42] <hussam> less than 2 more days till Breezy :)
[08:42] <philipacamaniac> mornfall: no
[08:43] <philipacamaniac> he can go into single-user mode
[08:43] <mars> Ehh
[08:45] <mornfall> philipacamaniac: that's, uh, evil
[08:46] <philipacamaniac> you mean no root? that's what sudo's for. don't take yourself out of sudoers. :)
[08:46] <philipacamaniac> seriously though, single user mode (Recovery?) should work
[08:48] <_mars> usermod -G video 'yourusername'
[08:48] <_mars> I typed it with mars
[08:48] <_mars> And what can i do now
[08:48] <_mars> ?
[08:49] <_mars> mars@lunar:~$ visudo
[08:49] <_mars> visudo: /etc/sudoers: Permission denied
[08:49] <_mars> :/
[08:49] <nalioth> use sudo
[08:49] <nalioth> heh
[08:50] <_mars> ehh yes but
[08:50] <_mars> mars@lunar:~$ sudo apt-get install xchat
[08:50] <_mars> mars is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[08:50] <philipacamaniac> "sudo visudo" (always thought that was a funny command)
[08:50] <_mars> mars@lunar:~$ sudo visudo
[08:50] <_mars> mars is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[08:51] <_mars> BTW sudo visudo is like a spell :)
[08:52] <TokenBad> kubuntu and ati 3d cards
[08:53] <TokenBad> good or bad?
[08:53] <_mars> Funny I dont know what to do now :/
[08:54] <philipacamaniac> TokenBad: which ati card
[08:55] <TokenBad> ATI Radeon 7000
[08:56] <philipacamaniac> hmm... older. I use an ATI 9700 Pro and 3d graphics are great (OpenGL). I haven't tried playing a cedega/directx game though.
[08:56] <frank23> what are the improvements in kde 3.5? I couldn't find a changelog
[08:56] <philipacamaniac> No compositing/translucency...
[08:57] <TokenBad> any probs installing the drivers?
[08:57] <hussam> speaking of changelogs, is there a changelog for kde 3.4.3?
[08:58] <philipacamaniac> TokenBad: Not on Kubuntu - just install the fglrx packages
[08:58] <TokenBad> ok
[08:58] <TokenBad> friend that has it will prob come in asking questions once he installs
[08:59] <philipacamaniac> hussam: yes, I'll bring it up in a jiffy - there isn't much though
[09:00] <philipacamaniac> frank23: this site: http://www.canllaith.org/articles.html will let you see major features added to KDE 3.5
[09:00] <frank23> philipacamaniac: thanks!
[09:01] <philipacamaniac> frank23: more technical stuff is here: http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.5-features.html
[09:02] <philipacamaniac> hussam: http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_4_2to3_4_3.php
[09:03] <hussam> philipacamaniac: thanks
[09:10] <Rogue_Jedi_X> If I install Windows on my machine, while Kubuntu is installed, will it screw up lilo?
[09:10] <hydrogen> what was the reasoning for 3.4.3?
[09:11] <philipacamaniac> Rogue_Jedi_X: yes, Windows usually needs to be installed first
[09:11] <philipacamaniac> hydrogen: bugfixes
[09:11] <hydrogen> the changelog didn't evne have many big
[09:11] <hydrogen> and isn't 3.5 close enough to ready?
[09:11] <Rogue_Jedi_X> philipacamaniac: Isn't there a way? I need Windows installed to use a program needed for m job
[09:12] <frank23> !recover
[09:12] <ubotu> I heard recover is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[09:12] <DaSkreech> can I change the KDe splash Screen from the CLI?
[09:12] <DaSkreech> !splash
[09:12] <ubotu> To change the Gnome splash screen, open the gconf-editor and change the key /apps/gnome-session/options/splash-image
[09:12] <philipacamaniac> Rogue_Jedi_X: Have you looked into qemu
[09:13] <Rogue_Jedi_X> philipacamaniac: What's that?
[09:13] <frank23> Rogue_Jedi_X: take a look at that link
[09:14] <Rogue_Jedi_X> *click*
[09:14] <frank23> Rogue_Jedi_X: it shows how to reinstall grub on the mbr after you install windows
[09:14] <Rogue_Jedi_X> frank23: I think Kubuntu installed lilo, though
[09:14] <philipacamaniac> Kubuntu uses Grub
[09:14] <philipacamaniac> usually...
[09:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yeah, you're right. My bad. Just checked
[09:16] <duce> Hm, can sb helb me with this: I want to read a NTFS partition as a user. How do I change the rights?
[09:17] <philipacamaniac> duce: breezy or hoary?
[09:17] <frank23> !ntfs
[09:17] <duce> philipacamaniac, breezy
[09:17] <Rogue_Jedi_X> frank23: Wow, nice page. It's perfect
[09:17] <frank23> Rogue_Jedi_X: great
[09:18] <philipacamaniac> There is a new module in System Settings which allows for setting disk mount properties
[09:18] <Rogue_Jedi_X> frank23: Also, thanks
[09:18] <philipacamaniac> duce: (using kdesu) System Settings -> System Administration -> Disk & Filesystems
[09:19] <philipacamaniac> I need to write a new wiki page explaining all the guidance add-ons
[09:19] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hm. Breezy comes out in a couple of days, right?
[09:19] <philipacamaniac> Thursday, tentatively
[09:20] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Cool. I'll just install Windows and then upgrade Kubuntu
[09:20] <chx> OK, so https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8674 this won't be solved, not a problem. I am asking for directions on what and how should I compile and where is that patch
[09:21] <chx> Riddell: ping...
[09:23] <philipacamaniac> duce: did you get it?
[09:24] <TokenBad> whats the difference in MiB and Mbps for bandwidth?
[09:24] <duce> philipacamaniac, no sorry. I really don't know kdesu and at the moment I am searching for kdesu and what kdesu is.
[09:25] <jpatrick> duce: kdesu == kde super user
[09:25] <philipacamaniac> duce: oh sorry. just press Alt-F2 and type "kdesu systemsettings"
[09:26] <DaSkreech> philipacamaniac: Karma does exist!! :-)
[09:26] <philipacamaniac> ?
[09:27] <duce> philipacamaniac, ah - found it. Is this a gui for /etc/fstab?
[09:28] <DaSkreech> I changed the KDE splash screen to Redmond as a joke now I can't login :)
[09:28] <philipacamaniac> duce: it is indeed, and it is new to Kubuntu - it is called guidance
[09:28] <philipacamaniac> DaSkreech: heh
[09:28] <duce> philipacamaniac, thx a lot - I'll try it
[09:28] <DaSkreech> philipacamaniac: Well I can login but nothing happens afterwards
[09:29] <philipacamaniac> DaSkreech: and so you want to change it back from the CLI..
[09:30] <DaSkreech> philipacamaniac: Well I think so
[09:30] <DaSkreech> philipacamaniac: I'm not certain thats all my problem but it certainly is interesting it started once I did that :)
[09:33] <philipacamaniac> DaSkreech: do you have a ~/.kde/share/config/ksplash  ?
[09:33] <philipacamaniac> rather, ksplashrc?
[09:34] <philipacamaniac> how about this: "cp /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/ksplashrc ~/.kde/share/config/ksplashrc"
[09:34] <DaSkreech> Hmm Cool
[09:39] <Riddell> chx: hi
[09:40] <chx> Riddell: so good to catch you
[09:40] <chx> I guess that https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8674 won't be solved, not a problem. I am asking for directions on what and how should I compile and where is that patch?
[09:41] <Riddell> chx: hmm, that should be fixed
[09:42] <Riddell> tvo: know anything about that?
[09:42] <chx> Riddell: if you want it , I can make another shoot off my screen
[09:43] <tvo> isn't 8674 that the xrandr bug? /me checks
[09:43] <chx> tvo: it is
[09:43] <chx> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=4460 and this is how my screen looks like
[09:44] <chx> apparently, it resized itself in one direction but not in the other :(
[09:45] <tvo> works fine here
[09:45] <tvo> chx: breezy or hoary?
[09:45] <chx> breezy
[09:46] <chx> and 3.4.3 have not solved the problem
[09:46] <chx> deb http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kde343 breezy main
[09:46] <chx> libqt3-mt                             3.3.4-8ubuntu5 this is what I have
[09:46] <philipacamaniac> actually, 3.4.3 is in the official repos now
[09:46] <chx> really? 
[09:47] <Heinerich> hi lads and lassies :-)
[09:47] <tvo> hmm, same version of libqt3-mt here
[09:48] <tvo> chx: nvidia?
[09:48] <chx> Section "Device"
[09:48] <chx>         Identifier      "NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX - nForce GPU] "
[09:48] <chx>         Driver          "nvidia"
[09:49] <chx> seems so.
[09:49] <tvo> hmm, also the same
[09:49] <chx> nvidia-glx                            1.0.7667-0ubuntu23 
[09:50] <chx> tvo: What about I give you VNC access?
[09:51] <tvo> chx: if it's easy enough for me to learn then that's ok to try
[09:51] <chx> tvo: apt-get install vncview
[09:51] <chx> tvo: apt-get install vncviewer
[09:51] <chx> damn
[09:51] <chx> now it's xtightvncviewer
[09:52] <philipacamaniac> eh, Krdc can connect to vnc protocol
[09:53] <chx> never even heard of that
[09:53] <chx> I am a dinosaur
[09:53] <wotnarg> meh, had 3.5 alpha packages for kde, then I upgraded, and Im back to 3.4.3 :/
[09:53] <chx> Once I was able to disassemble off head from Z80  machine code to assembly. That was fun.
[09:53] <philipacamaniac> This is the Kubuntu channel, right? (j/k) - Krdc is the Remote Desktop Connection in the Internet section of the KMenu
[09:54] <philipacamaniac> usage is vnc:/address:port
[09:55] <philipacamaniac> or vnc:/address:display
[09:56] <philipacamaniac> sometimes you can just put vnc:/address
[09:57] <nceterval> Hello, I'm having a problem on Breezy where sudo commands (specifically apt-get and synaptic) are exiting with a segfault error.  What could cause a command issued by root to segfault?
[09:58] <slow-motion> n8
[10:01] <Spudchat> is upgrading to breezy-kubuntu just like upgrading to breezy-ubunutu?
[10:01] <Spudchat> or do i need some more packages?
[10:01] <chx> tvo: thanks!
[10:02] <tvo> chx: not yet done anything :)
[10:02] <chx> you fixed it, man!
[10:02] <chx> wtf was this...?
[10:02] <chx> It even survived a reboot
[10:02] <tvo> huh, I just rotated your screen
[10:02] <chx> and when it rotated back
[10:02] <chx> the menu bounced to its place
[10:03] <chx> plz close that issue
[10:03] <philipacamaniac> happens to the best of us
[10:03] <chx> I thought that when I rebooted for the K7 kernel , the reboot will solve this, too 
[10:03] <tvo> haha :D cool it was so easy :)
[10:04] <chx> tvo: if you happen to use Drupal CMS, you have a free helping hand from one of the senior developers :)
[10:04] <Heinerich> laters!
[10:05] <chx> tvo: also,if you happen to come to EuroOSCON next week, I owe you a beer.
[10:06] <tvo> chx: cool :) a shame I don't even know what it's used for :s (/me googles)
[10:07] <philipacamaniac> I love kontact.
[10:08] <philipacamaniac> *me shouts amen
[10:08] <philipacamaniac> Doh!
[10:08] <chx> I am Linuxing since.. hm... long... 1993 or so... but servers only... this is the first useable desktop distro.
[10:09] <philipacamaniac> I've been on the scene since about 2000 with RedHat el stupido, and then I switched to slackware. When Hoary was almost released, I discovered and have been a full convert ever since.
[10:11] <pointwood> Spudchat: same here :)
[10:11] <zyn> but since freebsd didn't boot on this laptop, kubuntu was the fallback
[10:11] <zyn> (and i don't regret it either)
[10:11] <Spudchat> heh
[10:12] <chx> I am Windows free for a year only -- feels like a fading bad nightmare.
[10:13] <Chousuke> I'm not Free as in speech though.
[10:13] <Chousuke> Using OS X
[10:13] <elvirolo> hi all
[10:13] <Spudchat> i saw that at my sisters house and loved it when i saw the terminal in it :) i could finally use her mac! 
[10:14] <elvirolo> does anyone know of a way or getting rid of these hyperlink shortcuts ?
[10:15] <_Admin_> :/
[10:15] <_Admin_> look spammers i kick
[10:16] <pointwood> I wouldn't call myself windows free - far from it...it is a difficult thing to become in this world...
[10:16] <Chousuke> Hmm, quite.
[10:16] <pointwood> Kubuntu is what I use everyday @ home though
[10:17] <Chousuke> I only sometimes use windows if I access the public terminals at teh Uni.
[10:17] <Chousuke> At least they have Firefox installed :)
[10:17] <pointwood> I'm really rooting for open standards and formats - that will make it much easier for us minorities :)
[10:17] <Chousuke> Yeah 
[10:18] <Chousuke> Tampere university advocates openoffice. .doc-files are not allowed :)
[10:18] <pointwood> nice
[10:18] <chx> bye & thanks
[10:19] <Chousuke> most of the time they don't like you sending in .sxw either though.
[10:19] <Chousuke> txt or PDF or you fail.
[10:19] <pointwood> I don't care what software other people uses as long as it is an open format and that is not someting MS Office is good at producing...
[10:20] <pointwood> Chousuke: that shouldn't be a problem ;)
[10:20] <zyn> we don't allow MS only formats where I work either... mostly because the development team uses linux and other unices
[10:22] <stianh> Is there a way to get Ctrl + Tab to switch between tabs in applications, instead of swtiching between desktops (which I only use one of)
[10:22] <Chousuke> I think you'd have to configure that separately for each app.
[10:22] <stianh> hmm
[10:23] <sorush20> what is the synaptic equivalent to gnome synaptic.
[10:23] <pointwood> adept
[10:23] <Chousuke> that question made no sense. :P
[10:23] <foodcoman> hehe
[10:23] <stianh> lol
[10:24] <pointwood> hehe
[10:24] <pointwood> true, but I think I understood it anyway :)
[10:24] <foodcoman> I wish adept would show the installation paths like Synaptic.
[10:25] <foodcoman> I guess thats what a prompt is for eh?
[10:43] <zyn> does anyone know how to rate limit an interface? i want to limit downloads on eth0 to ~60kbps
[10:44] <philipacamaniac> zyn: don't know, but the term for that is bandwidth throttling, so you might try googline
[10:44] <philipacamaniac> googling
[10:54] <Rogue_Jedi_X> When did Flash 8 come out?
[10:56] <sorush20> which is better uning Kmail with spam assasin or using thunderbird on it own.. ?
[10:57] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Well, it's a matter of preference
[10:57] <nicholaspaul> i have  a question: I inserted a CD in the drive (good place for it...) how do i open the disc? 
[10:57] <DaSkreech> try Computer
[10:57] <DaSkreech> Places-> Computer
[10:58] <nicholaspaul> under kde?
[10:58] <DaSkreech> Under Kubuntu
[10:59] <nicholaspaul> oo...ok, i know where 'places' is in Gnome, but dont see it in Kubuntu. 
[11:00] <foodcoman> System Storage Media
[11:00] <foodcoman> ./media
[11:00] <jol> Hello all
[11:00] <bobesponja> hey all
[11:01] <libben> http://www.lowbright.com/Comics/10Commandments/10Commandments.htm
[11:02] <nicholaspaul> foodcoman, i found 'System/storage media.' but all i have in there are the HD's.  My 2 burners work in k3b so i know they are there.
[11:02] <zyn> hmm
[11:02] <bobesponja> I lie kubuntu a lot but lots of KDE packages are still available only in universe such as digikam (at least on hoary), and I was wandering if you were working on it or if it's just too much work? 
[11:02] <nicholaspaul> hi bobesponja
[11:02] <bobesponja> s/li/like
[11:02] <bobesponja> s/like/li :)
[11:02] <phoenixbyrd> sumone pm me and help me out with qtparted before I run outside naked in a serial killer rampage
[11:04] <libben> my kde menu are never updating itself after i install programs with synaptic
[11:04] <nicholaspaul> any idea foodcoman?
[11:04] <nicholaspaul> libben, if thats the case you can use Smeg to edit the menus.
[11:06] <nicholaspaul> anyone else know how to open a CD? i think this should be simple... :S
[11:07] <libben> open?
[11:07] <libben> u mean open the tray?
[11:07] <libben> umount it 
[11:07] <libben> umount /dev/cdrom
[11:07] <libben> umount -f /dev/cdrom 
[11:08] <libben> -f == force it 
[11:08] <libben> if its busy
[11:08] <libben> but it doesnt allways help
[11:43] <zyn> damn... bandwidth throttling isn't easy
[11:53] <Kyaneos> hi
[12:02] <stodge> adept is showing a large number of packages that need upgrading - does this happen often?