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notmdzslomo: bugzilla knew it ;-)12:02
slomonotmdz: oh ok... but anyway, dvd playback works fine here with totem :/ what kind of dvd is it?12:03
notmdzslomo: TRUMAN_SHOW_SCE12:03
notmdzI'll try a different disc12:04
seb128one of the usual upstream reply is "send me a DVD with the issue and I debug it" :)12:04
tsengand then review it on his blog12:05
seb128he he12:05
seb128I was thinking to BBB, but right hadess does that too :p12:05
tsengyes :P12:06
slomonotmdz: weird audio? i had some problems because of that in the past... was mostly with dts sound iirc12:06
tsengare you talking about xine/libdvdcss2 or gst?12:07
notmdzsame crash with the Go Open DVD12:07
slomonotmdz: crash in what way? freeze? segfault?12:09
slomotseng: gst12:09
notmdzslomo: crash as in restart/inform developers12:09
notmdzpresumably a segfault or similar12:09
seb128any assertion if running from the command line?12:10
slomothat backtrace doesn't look useful... hmm... i'll try all my dvds tomorrow if i can reproduce it...12:11
slomonotmdz: btw, what kind of cpu does your machine have? i suspect that there will be problems with gst-ffmpeg on non-mmx x86... and on non-altivec powerpc12:12
notmdzslomo: k712:12
notmdztotem-xine plays it fine12:12
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HWolfwhere is the breezy-changes archive located?12:13
notmdzHWolf: lists.ubuntu.com12:13
HWolfnotmdz, i figured that much, but I can't find the link going from there.12:14
KamionHWolf: second link under "List"12:15
Kamionthen first link on the page12:15
HWolfKamion, omg, I overlooked it. :$12:15
HWolfwee, I found the changelog again.12:18
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mirakhi12:26
mirakI fixed the initrd ppc problem for macintosh12:26
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mirakif there is anyone in charge of that here ...12:27
slomomirak: which one?12:27
miraka problem with mounting the rootfs12:28
slomomirak: #14485?12:28
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miraka link ?12:28
slomohttp://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1448512:28
mirakslomo: do you have a full link ?12:28
backports-r-usSecurity team, #17410, typo in Mozilla package12:28
mirakok12:28
foxinesscan i tell here a about a bug on breezy ?12:29
backports-r-us0ubuntu05.04 > 0ubuntu1, upgrade to Breezy will fail12:29
mirakslomo: yes ! that's the same issue12:30
foxinessthere are a bug on arabic script on breezy show the txet like this "   " not like this "" 12:30
mirakslomo: I built a initrd with the old method with mkinitrd and it works12:30
slomomirak: also with xfs as root fs? how did you fix it? ;)12:30
mirakslomo: yes I have xfs as rootfs12:31
foxinessthe arabic font must be join12:31
slomomirak: yes that is a known workaround ;) i use it the same way currently...12:31
slomomirak: :(12:31
mirakslomo: I didn't really fixed it, but use the mkinitrd with a cramfs file instead of mkinitramfs12:31
mirakslomo: for me the reason is that the ide module cmd64x must be forced to load12:31
Kamionthat's definitely not the reason on this hardware12:32
mirakif you look into the cramfs file, you will see a file loadmodules and you will se there is a bunch of modules forced to load12:32
slomomirak: cmd64x is compiled into the kernel for ppc afaik... not as a module12:32
Kamionwe won't be going back to initrd-tools for powerpc12:32
mirakslomo: no it's not12:32
mirakKamion: then you must find a way to explicitely force the load of some modules12:33
mirakbecause they are not automatically loaded12:33
mirakexept if there are built into the kernel12:33
slomomirak: oh it was another ide driver which was there... the pmac ide driver... my fault12:33
mirakthe G3 b&w have two ide drivers in fact12:33
Kamionmirak: on my system, the hang was before the initramfs even started, and it only happened with XFS, not with other filesystems12:33
Kamionmirak: so with respect I don't think that's the problem12:34
Kamionif you're using initrd-tools, you're using a completely different code path, and workarounds applicable there are not generally applicable to initramfs-tools12:34
mirakdmesg says me the ramfs is loaded12:34
mirakI am aware of that12:34
mirakanyway a solution must be found12:35
Kamionyes, it is a major bug12:35
mirakI already had this problem on debianppc12:35
Kamionbut "must be found" unfortunately does not really help; nobody seems to know what the real problem is12:35
mirakthe problem was about ide drives name swapping12:35
KamionDebian is not using initramfs-tools, so you did not encounter this problem there12:35
Kamionyou encountered some different problem with similar symptoms12:36
mirakdevice swap I said12:36
KamionI'm familiar with the problem you're describing, but it is not the same as bug #1448512:36
mirakwhat do you mean ?12:36
mirakwell anyway I had the exact same problem as described in this bug12:37
Kamionit is not the same bug, even though it has the same symptoms12:37
mirakI am not sure what you are talking about now12:37
mirak^^12:37
Kamionyou can get that message for all kinds of reasons12:37
Kamionthe problem currently encountered by Ubuntu powerpc users using XFS as / is a different one from previous reasons you may have encountered12:37
mirakok12:38
Kamionwe know this because it works fine on the same hardware using a different filesystem12:38
backports-r-usoh yeah, add Warty to the list of hell thanks to USN-186-112:38
mirakok12:38
Kamionas a workaround, use some different filesystem for /, or just for /boot if you like12:38
Kamionthat should be sufficient12:38
mirakI was planing to drop xfs 12:38
mirakand use reiser12:38
KamionI don't believe reiserfs currently suffers from that bug12:39
mirakif I use xfs it's because debian was only proposing a xfs install as an alternative to reiserfs some years ago12:39
mirakI then switched to ubuntu12:39
backports-r-usmirak: I've ran into lots of random corruption with XFS12:39
mirakI never had a problem with xfs12:39
backports-r-usmirak: it can't survive a hard reboot if my life depended on it12:39
mirakI had VERY BIG problem with hfsplus read/write12:40
backports-r-usbut that's just me :)12:40
miraklol12:40
backports-r-usI'm personally a JFS fan now12:40
backports-r-usformer reiserfs fan12:40
KamionI certainly wouldn't want to rely on being able to write to HFS+ from Linux12:40
Kamionanyway, bedtime12:40
mirakI use ext3 for my home because there is windows drivers for it12:40
Kamionnotmdz: I've cronned the ubuntu-server build for 10:29 London time daily12:40
Kamionlooks fine, apart from some redundant and confusing preseed files and boot options12:41
mirakbut I think I will use a real fs and use colinux plus samba to read write on linux fs from windows12:41
mirakKamion: what have the FS to do with not beeing able to mount root ?12:42
backports-r-usmirak: probably the initramfs scripts12:42
backports-r-usmirak: and I've had a struggle getting Grub to cooperate with XFS roots12:42
mirakI mean in my case, I should at least see the cmd64x driver be loaded since it's supposed to be in the initrd12:42
mirakbackports-r-us: i managed to use grub and LVM2 so anything seems possible for me now :D12:43
backports-r-uslol12:43
=== backports-r-us shifts #17410's blame over to security team :)
=== backports-r-us thus completes his first assigned bug :)
dholbachgood night, folks, i'm off12:45
sistpotygn8 dholbach12:45
dholbachbye stefan :)12:45
mirakI am happy I have finnaly found the correspoding bug to my problem12:46
mirakin fact slomo did :p12:47
mirakI am not alone on eaarth !12:47
mirakyoupi12:47
mirak:D12:47
mirakok bye12:47
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azeemw7212:49
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foxinessthe driver 'smart link' no longer work on breezy12:59
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speelhey did you guys happen to remove the terminal from applications>system tools in gnome01:24
elmospeel: it's in applications->accessories01:25
speelah Lol ok =x01:25
RiddellI always expect accessories to be full of cheap girly jewlery, but I'm just mistaking it for clair's accessories01:26
speelsame here 01:27
fabbioneelmo: dude. thanks for the chroots :)01:27
opiRiddell, btw: where's 3.5 link gone on kubuntu.org? Are you uploaded it into main?01:27
opi(and, btw, Hi:-)01:28
HWolfgees, seems sh had some time on his hands.01:35
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Riddellopi: not uploaded, under announcements01:35
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opiRiddell, superb01:36
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=== infinity is impressed that in that flurry of uploads last night, only 2 were FTBFS...
tsenginfinity: i did not upload02:39
tsenginfinity: probably part of it02:39
infinity:)02:40
bddebiantseng: Nah, it's lack of my uploads.. ;-)02:40
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infinitynotmdz : Ouch, nice catch on the volatile mount mode.03:19
bddebianHow do I stop this build from dumping out on warnings?  I've added -Werror.. What else can I try??03:27
infinityUhm, dude.03:27
infinity-Werror is WHY it's doing that.03:28
ajmitchI hope that was s/added/removed/ ?03:28
infinity       -Werror03:28
infinity           Make all warnings into errors.03:28
bddebianSOrry, yes removed03:28
infinityDo you have any other -Werror-foo-bar stuff?03:28
bddebianNo, it's just -g -O203:28
infinityThen maybe it's dying on errors? :)03:28
bddebianOh and I had to add -fno-strict-aliasing03:29
infinity(note that it will finish processing the current file, so you could be seeing "error, warning, warning, warning", and missing the error in the haystack of warnings.03:29
bddebianBut most of these are stupid errors.  Extra () and bs like that03:30
bddebianfunction foo is not referenced.  Bar is not modified, could be declared constant, etc etc :-(03:32
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notmdzinfinity: yeah, that could have been embarrassing ;-)04:08
infinitynotmdz : A wee bit, yes. :)04:09
infinityIn other good news, you got all the minors incremented on the first upload, too.04:09
infinity(Care to file a big, blinking "as soon as dapper opens" bug for me to fix that mess?)04:10
infinityOh, hah.  I lied.04:10
infinityJust got my first REJECT mail from katie. :)04:10
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notmdzinfinity: #@$@#04:14
notmdzI hereby propose a policy amendment: packages must not arbitrarily build incorrectly when you do OBVIOUS AND REASONABLE THINGS to them04:16
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bddebianAmen to that policy04:16
infinityI'm sure Manoj will accept it without debate.04:16
infinitymdz : Uploaded.04:17
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mdzinfinity: installed04:30
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segfaultogra: just uploaded a new xscreensaver po. should appear soon.05:01
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pittiGood morning07:08
ajmitchmorning pitti 07:08
pittiHi ajmitch 07:08
jsgotangcomorning pitti07:08
infinityHey pitti.07:12
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CaiN_SAmorning07:24
fabbionemorning07:25
infinityAww, crap.  I just realised that getting atheros to work in d-i would probably require almost zero effort.07:32
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infinityfabbione : Ugh, I have that bug open elsewhere too.07:37
fabbioneyou do?07:38
infinityfabbione : I meant to look into whether or not festival can take a list of allowed hosts, and fix it.07:38
fabbioneok.. than you win ;(07:38
fabbione)07:38
fabbionei have no idea how festival works07:38
infinity(The problem is that it's doing a reverse lookup of 127.0.0.1, which reutned "localhost.localdomain", which doesn't match "localhost", and all hell breaks loose.07:38
fabbioneno actually.. i don't even know what it is07:38
fabbioneahhhhh07:38
fabbionecrap07:38
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infinityI have no idea how it works either, that's why it's been low on the priority list.07:38
infinityAlso, WTF is "reutned"?07:39
infinityI need new fingers.07:39
pittibah, why is suspend to disk so utterly broken again? two weeks ago it was working perfectly...07:39
infinitypitti : Erm.  Is it?.. I should test after this kernel upgrade.07:39
fabbioneinfinity:  it won't make any difference07:39
infinitySuspend to disk and RAM were both working for me a week or two ago...07:39
fabbionethe last kernel was only security07:39
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fabbionei just figured that i don't have the power to sleep only 4 hours at night07:40
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fabbionei guess i need more coffee07:40
pittiinfinity: at suspend I had to manually create swap partitions because they were not present before; then it suspended fine, but it just ignored the image on the swap, booted normally, and left me without swap again07:41
pittifabbione: you need more sleep :-/07:41
fabbionenot only07:42
fabbionejeee guys stop uploading non bug fixes07:44
fabbionewhen a mirror rsync takes more than 30 minutes it ends up being broken ok?07:44
fabbioneand i am not on a slow pipe07:44
infinityYeah, I had to re-run my mirror update three times to get it back in sync.07:44
fabbioneinfinity: that's the reason why i was awake till 3am07:45
infinityOkay, if I'm reading the docs okay, this should do what I want.07:45
infinity-(defvar server_access_list '(localhost)07:45
infinity+(defvar server_access_list '("127.0.0.1" "localhost\.localdomain" "localhost")07:45
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fabbionei suggest for dapper we must not have sources bigger than 1MB and that produces binary for more than 1MB07:53
fabbione(aggregate sum of all bins)07:53
pittifabbione: hah, happy kernel splitting07:53
pittifabbione: what about giving every driver its own source package? :-)07:53
fabbionepitti: that would be doable per subsystem/class easily07:54
fabbioneit's much easier than you think :P07:54
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\sh*cough* please, dear immunesystem, don't let me get a cold...I don't need it, I don't want it07:55
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infinityI WIN!07:59
=== infinity uploads.
infinityAlso, screenreaders are creepy.08:00
=== infinity uninstalls.
pittifabbione: oh, I would actually appreciate to not download bazillions of bytes for just a driver update :-)08:01
fabbioneDear Release Managers, please stop new packages in main. thanks08:01
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fabbionecongratulation pitti08:01
fabbionethe kernel one was good too08:01
infinityDear Release Manager, please stop new packages in main, after you accept festival.08:01
fabbioneIt D1D d51v3 s0rt 0f 1ns4n308:01
infinityThat bug's been on my list ever since I was hired, I think.08:02
fabbioneinfinity: than close mine too.. please08:02
infinityHooray for bumped priorities.08:02
infinityfabbione : I'll close both when the upload is approved and built/uploaded.08:02
fabbioneinfinity: thanks dude08:02
jsgotangcoerr do you guys know any "known issues" that needs to be listed in the release notes?08:03
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infinityjsgotangco : Yes.08:03
fabbionejsgotangco: yes..08:03
fabbionejsgotangco: mention the users NOT to try to talk with the kernel/security guys08:04
jsgotangcoplease add them to BreezyReleaesNotes08:04
fabbioneWE ARE GETTING INSANE!08:04
jsgotangcoLOL08:04
fabbioneMUHA MUHA MUHA08:04
fabbionepitti: dude we need more crack :)08:04
fabbionepitti: good one this time08:05
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pittifabbione: DUDE - you talked about "coffee"...08:05
fabbionepitti: no why??? 3 kernel uploads in a single day are cool :)08:05
fabbioneisn't coffee the white powder you left on my desk?08:06
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pittifabbione: maybe, I don't drink coffee, so I couldn't tell anyway 08:06
fabbionepitti: eheh08:06
fabbioneanyway.. let's keep the schizo aside..08:07
fabbionepitti: did you get all the CAN sorted out?08:07
fabbioneor should we recheck together?08:07
pittifabbione: for the kernel?08:08
pittifabbione: I didn't yet ask for new ones, but I have tracked current ones well08:09
fabbionepitti: ok, the new ones can wait..08:09
fabbionewe will add them at the first USN08:09
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CaiN_SAok right i need some info08:15
CaiN_SAbest way to build a deb file ?08:15
CaiN_SAor must i go ask in other channel ?08:16
\shCaiN_SA: #ubuntu-motu ?08:17
\shCaiN_SA: but better to read the "new debian maintainer guide" first :)08:17
Mirvshould I report in bugzilla that the yesterday's language-pack update didn't bring any of the new translations since 20050930 in? serpentine, language selector, disk management, other changes were done to fi...08:17
CaiN_SAsh url ?08:17
\shCaiN_SA: it's all written on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources08:18
CaiN_SAthx08:18
\shu're welcome08:18
CaiN_SAcos sh all the things ive seen08:19
CaiN_SAand used to build .debs08:19
CaiN_SAdoesnt work08:19
\shCaiN_SA: then join #ubuntu-motu and we will help u to satisfy your need...and let the hard-ubuntu-core devs do their work :)08:21
\shhere I mean, without being disturbed 08:21
CaiN_SA:/08:21
CaiN_SAwell i have to get info somewhere08:22
CaiN_SAcos #ubuntu is no help08:22
CaiN_SAand i have to release same day as ubuntu08:22
fabbioneMirv: yes please do so08:22
CaiN_SAso thx08:22
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fabbioneinfinity: how do i undep-wait with wb?08:34
fabbioneit seems one depwait wasn't cleared properly on sparc08:34
fabbioneah no 08:34
fabbionenever mind08:34
fabbioneit's ok08:34
infinityIf it's a dep-wait on a real package, cron.daily will do it for you.08:34
infinityIf not, you want "--pretend-avail package_version"08:35
infinityAnd if the dep-wait is so broken that pretend-avail doesn't work (which can happen if someone types it in manually and fucks up the dpkg-like syntax), then you want to --forget the package (and cron.daily will bring it back in needs-build with no history on the next run)08:35
fabbioneyup thanks08:36
fabbionei misread -i output08:36
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mvogood morning09:23
ajmitchmorning mvo!09:23
jsgotangcomorning09:23
lifelessis there an equivalent to debian-keyring for ubuntu ?09:24
mvolifeless: we have the ubuntu-keyring, but it only contains the archive keys right now09:25
lifelessI know09:25
lifelesswe're doing a key-trust analysis in launchpad, would like the ubuntu devs and possible motus 09:26
pittiHi mvo09:26
lifelessin a keyring.09:26
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infinitylifeless : Ask elmo to export the ftp-master keyring for you.09:28
Treenaksyou could screen-scrape the launchpad user pages ;)09:29
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mbreitinfinity: can i /query you about a buildd problem (at least it seems like a buildd problem ;))09:30
infinityHow problematic is it?09:31
mbreittwo packages (ardour and cheesetracker) don't get build and they are uninstallable at the moment09:32
mbreitso that should really get fixed before release09:32
lifelesselmo: please export the ftp-master keying for stub09:32
infinitykeyring(s)09:33
infinityShould be one for main and one for universe.09:33
lifelesselmo: please channel infinity09:33
sabdflpitti: did you see the mail from tino jyrinki?09:33
pittisabdfl: I can't remember the name; what topic was that about?09:33
sabdflRe: Translations (some/all?) weren't updated in 20051010?09:34
infinityOh, hurray for the irritating "all your chrome is buggered until you restart all your firefox instances" bug.09:34
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siretartlifeless: I can offer you the revu keyring, and the keyring of universe uploaders elmo passed me when revu started09:34
siretartif you need something quick09:34
lifelesssiretart: we'll demo with the debian keyring, and do a final run when elmo arises09:34
pittisabdfl: I did not get that mail; I wanted to update translations yesterday, but the current langpack was broken again; I contacted carlos09:35
sabdflthat's what he's saying09:35
sabdflno new translations09:35
pittisabdfl: if it is still broken today, I have to manually sort out the broken files09:35
infinitymbreit : ardour quite obviously appears to fail to build, I don't see how that qualifies as a "buildd problem".09:35
pittisabdfl: but I didn't talk to carlos yet, he's not yet online09:36
pittisabdfl: I sent carlos a list with the issues, maybe it just was a small bug (it worked fine the week before *sigh*)09:36
mbreitinfinity: both packages build fine in each pbuilder i have tried and they have both the same problem: scons cancels the build and says that gcc failed but there is no gcc error... (i hope you understand what i mean ;))09:37
infinitymbreit : I'll try the builds locally for kicks, but a string of continual build failures over two months doesn't bode well for you.09:38
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pittiHey hey seb128 09:38
pittioh, I scared him...09:39
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danielsyo pitti09:39
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pittiHi daniels 09:39
pittiMoin seb12809:39
danielsyo seb09:40
mbreitinfinity: i already talked with lamont... he did not have enougth time for it but he seemed to think that it _could be_ a buildd problem as well09:40
seb128hey pitti09:40
infinitySure, anything COULD be, doesn't mean it IS.09:40
infinityI'm about to play.09:40
mbreitinfinity: and i have no chance to find the real problem because i am unable to reproduce it...09:40
jsgotangcoajmitch, you free?09:41
ajmitchjsgotangco: yeah09:41
jsgotangcoajmitch, can you review BreezyReleaseNotes ? I just updated it with the install stuff09:42
ajmitchok, will look over it09:42
ajmitchwant me to fix spelling as I go?09:42
mbreitinfinity: in any case, thanks for looking at it!09:43
jsgotangcoyes09:43
danielspitti: did you get to that keyboard stuff?09:43
ajmitchjsgotangco: I wonder if we should mention zope 3.1.0 alongside 2.8.1?09:44
pittidaniels: argh, sorry, completely forgot about that09:44
pittidaniels: let's do it right now09:44
danielspitti: thanks :)09:45
danielspitti: sorry to be a hassle09:45
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jsgotangcoajmitch, it was added nonetheless09:47
jsgotangco(by doko i believe)09:48
ajmitchyes09:48
crimsunmade some minor capitalisation corrections to BreezyReleaseNotes09:49
pittidaniels: I'm doing this now at my ppc, is that right? 09:50
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pittiHi dho09:51
ajmitchmorning dholbach 09:51
pittiHi dholbach 09:51
dholbachhellas andrew, martin09:51
danielspitti: yep09:51
\shmdz: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16375 <- this issue is fixed in amarok 1.3.3 but I think it's better to backport it after breezy release...my opinion...dunno how do you think about it09:53
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pittidaniels: ok, I installed libxkbfile1 7.0.0-3, and then xkeyboard-config 0.6-6. what now?09:56
danielspitti: setxkbmap -print | xkbcomp - :009:57
pittidaniels: lots of warnings, shall I email the output to you?09:58
seb128hey daniels09:58
danielspitti: if they're 'no symbols for key <FOO>, ignore it'09:58
seb128daniels: any xkb crack that needs some testing?09:58
danielsseb128: represent09:58
danielsseb128: nothing new, just testing on ppc (kamion asked)09:58
pittidaniels: also, no symbols for many other prefixes (<K..., <I, and so on)09:58
pittidaniels: and "Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but <RALT> has 2 symbols"\n Ignoring extra symbols09:59
danielspitti: those are fine; the first one is more concerning09:59
danielss/first/last/09:59
pittidaniels: (the last warnign I quoted is actually the first one, in case it matters)09:59
danielsyeah10:00
danielspitti: when did you download 0.6-6?10:00
danielspitti: if it wasn't just then, could you please try it again?10:00
pittidaniels: maybe 5 minutes ago10:00
pittidaniels: md5sum of the deb starts with 90b82910:01
pittierm, 90b82010:01
danielshold on a sec10:02
danielsthis is what I have on disk: 8bc3e15c2af8197a8c105b7651679548  xkeyboard-config_0.6-6_all.deb10:02
danielsseb128: which md5sum do you have?10:02
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pittidaniels: ok, I install the new version10:03
seb128daniels: ? that's for pitti?10:03
danielsseb128: no, I'm curious to see which one you got last night10:04
pittidaniels: still the same output10:04
seb128daniels: I've dropped the .deb this morning ...10:04
danielspitti: please send me the output of setxkbmap -print in /msg10:05
danielsseb128: okay, thanks10:05
seb128np :)10:05
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pittidaniels: done10:06
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sabdflRiddell: ping10:20
sabdflKamion: ping10:21
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janimopitti, ping10:30
janimowhich lang packs should be included in a base+xfce (no kde/gnome/OOo) install?10:31
Kamionsabdfl: yes?10:31
pittijanimo: just the base ones10:33
pittijanimo: language-pack-XX10:34
janimopitti, does that have firefox too?10:34
pittijanimo: no, ffox has its own locale packages10:35
pittijanimo: mozilla-firefox-locale-XX10:35
janimoand how large are the base packs in all languages?10:35
pittijanimo: the language-support package depend on them, but also on OO.o stuff10:35
janimopitti thanks10:36
pittijanimo: a well translated lang is in the order of 2 MB10:39
janimois that the Size: field in apt-cache show?10:42
sivangGood morning all10:42
janimohey sivang10:43
seb128elmo: kbd sync please10:43
dholbachKamion, mdz: how do you think about a ruby1.8 sync to fix #17415? the changelog and the corresponding debdiff are a bit long, but 1) ruby insiders consider it massive breakage, 2) ruby is in main merely as a biuld-dep for redland-bindings and kdebindings, so i'd consider it important enough to do it10:44
dholbachKamion: oh, i see that mdz already commented on the bug and doesnt like the idea :(10:44
pittijanimo: yes10:48
sabdflKamion: what was the name we settled on for the server-oriented iso?10:49
sabdfland is that on track?10:50
fabbione2ubuntu ?10:50
fabbionebecause 1ubuntu was too small ;)10:50
Kamionsabdfl: I've just labelled it ubuntu-server for now10:51
Kamionhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/1ubuntu/ would just be gratuitously confusing, I think10:52
johnmI half expected it to go the same way as things like kubuntu. subuntu ;)10:52
sivangyay for ubuntu-server :)10:52
infinityone-u-buntu might be less confusing, if you really wanted the catchy name.10:53
Kamionsabdfl: I did most of the work last night; first cronned build is due to happen at 10:29 today10:53
sabdflKamion: did i ever mention that YOU ROCK!10:53
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Kamionta :)10:53
Kamionit wound up being a pretty plausible size for a CD image, actually10:53
Kamionmaybe 15-20MB smaller than our main images10:54
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pittiKamion: do you have an idea why amd64 live is so much bigger than the other archs?11:05
sabdflmdz: ping11:05
sabdfldoes anyone know if there is a draft breezy release announcement?11:05
Treenakssabdfl: there is11:05
sabdfli see the preview one11:05
sabdfland he rc one11:05
Treenakssabdfl: oh wait.. the RC one is not the draft for the final one?11:06
Burgundaviasabdfl, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseNotes11:06
Kamionpitti: not at present11:06
Burgundaviasabdfl, talk with jsgotangco, he is coordinated that from the doc team side of things11:07
jsgotangcoi've been updating it today11:07
sabdflBurgundavia: those are the release notes, not the announcement11:07
sabdfljsgotangco: updating it where? can i edit it too please?11:07
jsgotangcosabdfl, i meant the release notes...11:08
Burgundaviasabdfl, in that case, it is much too late11:08
jsgotangcoeh?11:08
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Burgundavianight all11:08
pittiHi carlos, I missed you :-)11:09
carlospitti, Hi11:09
pitticarlos: did you find the reason for the removals? I'm currently processing today's tarballs11:09
carlosI'm with the gas installer, it's taking much more time than I expected...11:09
carlospitti, the removals are usually removals of msgid and msgstr I'm not completely sure, need to do some extra checks11:11
sabdflcarlos: please can you set aside some time to bring me up to speed on the langpack status? it's critical for the breezy release11:11
pitticarlos: for dapper, is it possible to add some checks to the exporter that it never ever removes valid translations?11:12
carlospitti, excuse me?11:13
carlospitti, those removals are related to .pot files because the msgid is also missing 11:13
pitticarlos: they are? but I merged my own import with all pot files that rosetta exports11:14
pitticarlos: is it possible that rosetta exports po files for domains which don't have a pot file?11:14
carlossabdfl, well, the fast answer: all things where ok until yesterday's language pack when pitti saw that we were removing some msgids. No code changes done, so I don't have an explanation other than .pot files pending to be imported...11:14
carlospitti, no11:15
carlospitti, but it's possible that Rosetta exports a .pot file that is not the one currently imported11:15
sabdflcarlos: have you seen this mornings mail from timo jyrinki?11:15
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pitticarlos: I'm just wondering why it worked so well the last time and now we start to see removals again11:15
carlospitti, and as we don't export obsolete messages with language packs the .po files are missing those11:15
pitticarlos: so you are 100% sure that these are obsolete?11:16
carlospitti, I started yesterday a test merging the .pot files too with the .po files exported from Rosetta11:16
pitticarlos: I will check whether I have a corresponding pot file when I compare the diff11:16
carlospitti, but I think your script was not working as expected there (not sure how is possible as it's too simple)11:16
carlospitti, no, I'm not 100% sure those are obsolete11:17
carlospitti, but it's the only explanation I have for that change without any code change in my side11:17
carlosas I said, still working on it, but the gas installer is taking too much time this morning and I was not able to resume my work yet11:18
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pitticarlos: ok, I will scrutinize today's diff11:19
carlospitti, ok, thans11:19
carlosthanks11:19
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carlossabdfl, from the email that Timo Jyrinki sent to the rosetta-user mailing list I see that we have a hard usability problem11:22
carlossabdfl, he translated serpentine from the upstream links but he didn't translate it for Breezy, so it's normal that it does not appears in the language pack11:23
sabdflbugger11:23
carloschecking what happens with the other packages11:23
seb128pitti, Kamion: do you know about #17395 ?11:25
JaneWhi guys, I am busy proofing the BreezyReleaseNotes, are there any more know issues to be listed in these?11:26
carlospitti, seb128, mvo: I'm not sure how python's gettext works... where does it look for the translations?11:28
zygacarlos: hi11:29
Kamionseb128: seems a bit like #129111:29
carloszyga, hi11:29
Kamiondon't know what the default ntfs permissions are11:30
seb128Kamion: I found #1291, but pitti updated it to mention that's a write issue11:30
Kamionseb128: ... for vfat11:30
Kamionyour bug's about ntfs11:30
seb128yeah11:30
zygacarlos: is there any page where I can track stuff language pack, besides the wiki?11:30
carloszyga, no, sorry11:30
seb128Kamion: what is the right place for that? partman?11:30
Kamionseb128: yes11:31
seb128Kamion: I'll reassign so, thanks11:31
Kamionwell, partman-basicfilesystems if you want to be specific11:31
pittiseb128: ntfs has its own permission system, but I don't know about it11:31
Kamionthere's uid= gid= umask= for ntfs mounts11:31
pittiseb128: it's similar to the "I can't read my UDF cd-rom because files have uid 500"11:31
Kamionthe problem is that partman doesn't know what the first user's uid is going to be11:32
pittiKamion: but does these really help?11:32
Kamionpitti: they're not terribly helpful11:32
pittiKamion: in the UDF and hfsplus case, they only help to map uid 011:32
seb128in any case an user should be authorized to browser it no?11:32
pitti(which is a sane thing, but doesn't help in that particular case)11:32
seb128s/browser/browse/11:32
pittiseb128: we should not forcefully override permissions of all paritions we see11:33
pittiseb128: (that would require a kernel patch anyway)11:33
pittiseb128: but playing around with umask would be worth a try11:33
seb128pitti: in any case we should not put it on the desktop if it's not browsable11:34
KamionTBH I think it's really too late to sort this out for breezy; we get hardly any testing of installer changes at this point, and when we're essentially just trying to hotfix things we don't really understand it makes me scared11:34
seb128pitti: but that's for 5.10 now anyway11:34
seb128s/5.10/after 5.10/11:34
KamionI think it's the desktop's responsibility to figure out what it should/shouldn't display :-)11:34
Kamionthe installer's just arranging for it to be mounted ...11:35
seb128Kamion: is there any installer update planned (I could use a string fix)?11:35
Kamionseb128: no more string fixes11:35
seb128k11:35
Kamionthere will be some small installer changes but only really critical stuff11:35
KamionI need to figure out why oem-config isn't displaying any translations11:35
Kamionif it's a fix to a string that's translated in Debian too, best get it upstream11:35
Mirvcarlos: (i'm timo jyrinki) the translations are missing also for eg. language-selector and gnome-system-tools (disks part), that were part of breezy. I couldn't find breezy version of serpentine template, but most other were done under the breezy11:36
carlosMirv, hi11:37
carlosMirv, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/serpentine/+pots/serpentine11:37
pittiinfinity: I'm afraid iI need your help again11:38
seb128Kamion: k, because the LVM menu item from partman is a bit long so you get the device name cut, but that's not a big deal11:38
pittiinfinity: courier failed to build on adare due to the old procps install failure11:38
pittiinfinity: "error: 'dev.mac_hid.mouse_button_emulation' is an unknown key" and so on11:38
infinityUgh.  warty?11:38
pittiinfinity: yes w-security11:39
infinityI need to get elmo to build those into the kernel until we stop supporting warty..11:39
Mirvcarlos: what about the rest of the problem? are you looking at it?11:39
seb128pitti: have you done any dia upload to hoary?11:39
pittiyay, new bzr!11:39
infinitypitti : I'll kick it manually in a second.11:39
carlosMirv, yeah11:39
pittiseb128: yes, yesterday AFAIK11:40
seb128pitti: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1752111:40
carlospitti, what tarball did you use for the language pack?11:40
pittiwell, not yesterday, but recently11:40
pitticarlos: for which one?11:40
Mirv(and serpentine wasn't found mainly because it's not in https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+lang/ list, the same problem as with some other packages earlier)11:40
seb128pitti: that's a standard arch all/any out of sync?11:40
pittiseb128: yes, easy11:41
carlospitti, latest one11:41
seb128pitti: k, thanks11:41
pittiseb128: he needs hoary-universe security updates11:41
pittiseb128: dia is universe, dia-gnome and dia-common are main11:41
seb128pitti: yeah, I've asked for some details, I was thinking the same11:42
seb128pitti: thanks11:42
pitticarlos: 20050929 AFAIK11:42
pittiseb128: shall I answer? If you do, just suggest him to install dia-gnome :-)11:43
carlospitti, ok, thanks11:43
Mirvcarlos: as a sidenote; serpentine was now also imported to the breezy version - nice to see upload working so nicely nowadays.11:44
seb128pitti: I've replied, thanks11:44
carlosMirv, cool11:44
sabdflmjg59: ping11:44
sabdfldaniels: ping11:45
danielssabdfl: 'evening11:45
Kamionseb128: ok, that's Ubuntu-specific11:46
sabdfldaniels: quitting the X server seems to put X into a catatonic state11:46
sabdflam using fglrx, kde and kdm11:46
sabdflnot sure where the issue is11:46
sabdflhow to debug?11:46
danielssabdfl: if you could mount the partition containing /var with 'sync', so you get a full Xorg.0.log and dmesg, that would probably be handy; that is, if it's an error11:47
danielsif it's just fglrx failing to set the card up right when it exits, then there's not much I can do other than to just pass it up to ATI11:48
sabdflit doesn't hang the box11:48
sabdfli can still ssh into it11:48
danielsoh, okay11:48
sabdflhas fglrx changed recently?11:48
danielsdoes the tail of Xorg.0.log show a clean exit rather than a crash?11:48
sabdflcan i isolate it down to X or Kdm easily?11:48
danielswe took a new upstream version ... maybe a month ago?11:48
danielsit won't be kde or kdm; if it tanks the display on exit, then that's wholly fglrx's fault11:48
sabdflwell, Kdm doesn't respond to -HUP11:49
danielsis Xorg stil running?11:49
danielsif so, it could well still be waiting on a child server11:49
danielsalso, maybe HUP just reloads the config file; does it respond to other signals?11:50
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sabdfldaniels: yes, xorg was still running11:52
sabdflcan i start up to maintainer mode, then just startx?11:52
danielssabdfl: you can just sudo Xorg :0 -ac vt7, if you like11:53
danielsthen ctrl-alt-backspace it and see if it dies cleanly11:53
sabdflok, will try that and report11:53
mjg59a11:54
mjg59Hrm11:55
mjg59sabdfl: Hi11:55
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Kamioninfinity: I'm thinking an amd64 live filesystem reset might be a good idea shortly, to clear out any cruft; it's large12:04
Kamionor seems excessively large, anyhow12:05
Kamionis there any way to see how much wasted space there is there?12:05
infinitylamont just reset it 3 or 4 days ago, has it been growing?12:06
Kamioninfinity: it's hard to tell, because there's been churn. I've been removing stuff from desktop to try to make things fit; does that need a reset to really be effective?12:08
mvocarlos: do you still need that python gettext information? it does basicly the same as the (original) gettext patch in glibc12:08
pittimvo: oh, does it still compare timestamps?12:09
infinityKamion : Quite possibly.  I'm not well-versed in the ways of the rest, but I do have some handy instructions here.  I can play right after I make/eat dinner.12:09
carlosmvo, ok, so you are 100% sure that will get the .mo files from language packs, right?12:09
infinityKamion : If I get back to you in a couple of hours with some numbers (and a reset cloop), is that soon enough?12:09
mvopitti: yes12:10
Kamioninfinity: yep, that's fine, plenty of other stuff I can be doing in the meantime12:10
pittimvo: *shudder*12:10
mvocarlos: well, if the patch wasn't ripped out then yes12:10
pittimvo: for dapper we should sanitize it to match the current libc patch12:10
mvopitti: fine with me12:10
carlosmvo, ok, thanks for the info12:11
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mvopitti: the new one is the one with caching support?12:11
pittimvo: and without stat()12:11
pittimvo: it just prefers a file in /u/s/locale if it exists12:11
pittimvo: and falls back to /u/s/locale-langpack otherwise12:11
pittimvo: and uses libc's internal caching12:12
zygapitti: hmm why was stat needed in the first place, to know which file to pick?12:12
pittizyga: yes, for hoary, when we did not strip all the packages yet12:12
mvocarlos: I'm apt-get sourceing python now to have a look. do you have a test-case where python gettext fails for you?12:12
carlosmvo, no, I'm just asking, I was not sure if python was patched12:13
zygapitti: so now packages never contain .mo files, right?12:13
pittizyga: main packages don't, right12:13
carlosmvo, what about the applications like zope that have a different layout than the other gettext applications?12:13
pittizyga: universe packages do12:13
zygapitti: k :)12:13
zygapitti: is there any change in rosetta-breezy.tar.gz export process?12:14
pittizyga: the point was, if you build a package locally, you will get translations in /u/s/locale, and they should be used12:14
pittizyga: not recently12:14
mvocarlos: I don't know about zope, but it sounds pretty bad if it has a different layout then any other gettext app 12:14
zygapitti: what is missing? you said it only catches about 40% of the total number of translations in rosetta12:15
mvocarlos: it seems to work for our various python desktop apps (language-selector, update-manager etc)12:15
pittizyga: right, that will be fixed in the near future12:15
zygapitti: I've got some progress on my side but nothing spectacular yet12:15
carlosmvo, they store the .mo files inside their own tree and I think they use directly es/zope.mo12:15
carlosmvo, ok, thank you for the check12:16
mvocarlos: I'm happy to have a look at zope after the release (please remind me)12:17
carlosok12:22
carlosthanks12:22
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danielsseb128: what's the usual remedy for 'my desktop is fucked'?12:25
danielsseb128: couldn't log in before, everything was hanging12:25
Treenaksdaniels: ifup lo12:25
Treenaksthat usually fixes hanging logins for me12:25
danielsseb128: started a new xterm session, started gnome-panel, gnome-settings-daemon, nautilus, by hand; g-p was useless until I killed the old one by hand, nautilus just crashed then12:25
danielsbut most everything else (started metacity by hand) works okay12:26
danielsto add to the hilarity, I've been stuffing around with XKB locally, and that had broken VT switching for me12:26
danielsTreenaks: ah, thanks12:26
danielsisn't hotplug supposed to do that, or is that too boring for it to be doing in a release week?12:26
seb128daniels: yeah, you need to have a working loopback12:27
seb128daniels: did you run dhclient?12:27
danielsi just started doing dhclient for my wlan, yeah12:28
danielsbad idea?12:28
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danielsokay, that fixed things -- thanks12:28
seb128daniels: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1017412:28
danielsungh, firefox sessionsaver rocks12:29
danielsmjg59: we should really switch to a VT around S3 on Intel hardware12:30
danielsmjg59: else the next use of Xv tanks the engine12:30
danielsmjg59: in a you-must-reboot kind of way12:30
danielsseb128: thanks for the link12:31
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mjg59daniels: We do12:37
danielsmjg59: hrm12:37
danielsi wonder if POSTing it breaks things12:38
mjg59daniels: I'm using xv here12:39
CaiN_SAcharles you here ?12:39
mjg59No problem at all12:39
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danielsmjg59: are you POSTing?12:43
pittiinfinity: courier on warty-security/ppc still seems to hate me :-(12:45
danielsfucking xkb can bite me12:48
pittibah, I get the gnome/X keyboard dialog even on a fresh breezy install12:49
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KinnisonHi guys12:53
Riddellsabdfl: pong12:54
KinnisonCan I have everyone's attention for a moment please.12:54
KinnisonAs you are all (hopefully) aware; dapper will be opening on Launchpad (assuming we don't have any hideous problems)12:54
KinnisonAs a result, you all need to ensure that, 1. you have launchpad accounts12:54
Kinnisonand 2. you have your GPG keys registered with launchpad12:55
KinnisonThank you12:55
pittiKinnison: will there be a special upload tool for launchpad?12:55
ograKinnison, so we'll switch officially to maolne on friday too ? 12:55
pittiKinnison: or will uploading to upload.ubuntu.com work as usual?12:55
mjg59daniels: Yes12:55
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Kinnisonpitti: uploading will be done by FTP as usual12:56
danielsmjg59: arsing shit12:56
danielsKinnison: i have a question12:56
KamionKinnison: would you mind sending instructions to ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com, for those who aren't here?12:56
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KinnisonKamion: I'll do that, yes12:56
Kamionthanks12:56
danielsKinnison: how do you represent <center><h1><font color="red">A system error has occurred.</font></h1></center> in text, if we're just going to be using an FTP client?12:56
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crimsunKinnison: I can't upload my gpg key (via fingerprint) to launchpad. It explodes with a system error.12:56
Kinnisondaniels: Hah, you think the FTP server runs in zope?12:57
Kinnisoncrimsun: then it's essential that you work with the launchpad team to get that fixed12:57
Kinnisoncrimsun: please see them on #launchpad12:57
mvoha! worked for me12:57
danielsKinnison: dude, if this Launchpad meme spreads any further, the kernel will be modified to run on Zope, and all the Ubuntu installs will use it12:57
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ogradaniels, wasnt that planned anyway, after the kernel was rewritten in python ? 12:59
ograi think then you'll need a slim replacement for thttpd anyway :)01:00
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segfaultogra: ping01:12
ograsegfault, ponmg01:12
segfaultogra: i updated the xscreensaver po file in Rosetta, can you try using that one?01:13
ograi'll try... sadly it always generates iso-8859-1 files for pt_BR ... :/01:13
segfaultshould be using UTF-8 now. 01:14
seb128jbailey: around?01:14
ograoh, ok01:14
segfaultif that doesn't wok, i can send you the po file by mail01:14
ograsegfault, i'll have a meeting soon and have to prepare something for that, i'll check it out now, but it will take a moment before i can get to it01:14
segfaultogra: no problem, good meeting :)01:15
ograthanks...01:15
ografeel free to attend if you got nothing better to do ;)01:16
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Kamioninfinity: I've approved your festival change. #17275 should be closed now, yes?01:22
KamionRiddell: your diversions handling in kubuntu-docs looks completely wrong to me01:24
KamionRiddell: remember that diversions persist across versions, so there's nothing wrong with a diversion still being there when the preinst runs01:24
\shRiddell: it was mine...I'd took it from another package01:25
\shaeh Kamion i mean01:25
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segfaultheh, ok01:26
nomedhi all01:26
nomedjust a question .. i have this string in debconf: xserver-xorg/autodetect_keyboard: true01:26
Kamion\sh, Riddell: please just drop all that and just call 'dpkg-divert --package kubuntu-docs --add --rename --divert /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index-ubuntu.html /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html'01:27
Kamiondpkg-divert will do nothing (silently, if you also use --quiet) if the diversion is already there01:27
Kamionnone of the dpkg-divert --list stuff is necessary01:27
\shKamion: ok...I'll change it just now..ok for upload then?01:27
Kamion\sh, Riddell: also, you should only call dpkg-divert 'if [ "$1" = install ] '01:28
nomedbut it seems during dpkg-reconfigure -fnoninteractive xserver-xorg it can't set the keyboard .. this in breezy .. in hoary it was working 01:28
Kamionno, sorry, 'if [ "$1" = install ]  || [ "$1" = upgrade ] '01:28
\shKamion: fixing 01:28
Kamion(because the preinst is also called in the abort-upgrade case)01:29
\shKamion: what about postrm?01:29
Kamion\sh: the postrm's fine except that [ == ]  is a bashism; use = instead of == there01:29
\shk01:30
\shoh well...01:30
\shwhy don't I get kubuntu-docs_5.10-0.4 from the archives?01:30
Kamion\sh: there's also a stray kubuntu-docs_5.10-0.4_i386.build in the source package01:31
Kamion\sh: because I haven't approved it01:31
\shKamion: grmpf...i need the source package :(01:31
\shor wait for riddel to fix it01:32
segfaultis anyone looking into that "About Ubuntu" missing link?01:32
Kamion\sh: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/tmp/kubuntu-docs/01:32
\shthx01:32
Kamionsegfault: jbailey's assigned to it01:33
segfaultok01:33
\shKamion: can I upload with the same version again, oder version +0.1?01:33
Kamion\sh: no, you can't; increase the version01:34
\shk01:34
Kamioninfinity: does SUBSTing into a Default: field the way nagios-common.config does actually work, anyway? I didn't think debconf did subst expansion on Default01:36
Kamioninfinity: I'll approve it anyway, since it's not going to do any harm if I'm right01:36
\shKamion: uploaded...thx for the hints :)01:38
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Kamion\sh: did you test this? I suspect not01:41
Kamion+if [ "$1" = "install"]  || [ "$1" = "upgrade" ] ; then01:41
Kamion\sh: note the missing space before ] 01:41
\sh*grrr* vim01:42
\shand grrr my space key01:42
Kamiondon't blame your editor for lack of testing01:42
\shKamion: just doing what my son is doing every time he's smashing a glas accidently..it's the tables fault01:45
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siretarthint: piuparts is great for having this automated..01:47
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Kinnisonsiretart: heck, debuild && sudo debi is a good start01:50
infinityKamion : Erm, oh.  Did I miss fucking with the template too?01:51
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pittiinfinity: hm, still no ppc build for courier warty-security - is that a buildd problem or does the pacakge merely need a g-b?01:56
hno73Kamion: you've got a new AMD64 tarball, sans thunderbird and ~6.5MB smaller01:58
dholbachbbl01:58
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zygapitti: ping02:00
pittiHi zyga 02:00
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zygapitti: hi, I'm hacking the language pack thing and I'm wondering how does rosetta handle broken .po files, I've noticed that many many .po files have things that msgfmt -c chokes on02:01
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pitticarlos: ^ ?02:01
carloszyga, on import or on export?02:02
zygacarlos: on export02:02
pitticarlos: ideally, there would not be broken po files in the database, thus not on export either :-)02:02
zygacarlos: I'm using exported catalogs I fetch from pitty02:02
carloszyga, we still have some pofiles that needs some migration done but usually we validate translations on import time or submission time from the website02:03
zygacarlos: how do you validate them?02:04
carloszyga, as we still have some data to migrate, on export time those are exported as fuzzy (when my patch lands on production)02:04
carloszyga, using gettext's library02:04
zygacarlos: is that something different from what msgfmt is using02:04
zygacarlos: I can show you how many errors I've got if you are interested02:04
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carloszyga, no, it's the same02:05
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carloszyga, it depends how do you got the pofile02:05
carloszyga, if it's part of the language pack, it should validate02:05
zygacarlos: ask pitty :) I'm fetching http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/langpacks/rosetta-breezy.tar.gz02:06
carloszyga, http://mawson.ubuntu.com/~carlos/02:06
carlosthose are latest language packs02:06
carloshmm02:07
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carlosbut that one smells like the latest one02:07
zygacarlos: who is exporting them?02:07
zygacarlos: pitty's archive is updated daily02:07
carloszyga, pitti didn't tell me anything about msgfmt failing....02:07
carloszyga, pitti's archive come from that URL02:08
zygacarlos: it's failing for me02:08
carloszyga, could you show me an example?02:08
zygacarlos: check this out, it's not compleate though: http://www.suxx.pl/ubuntu/language-packs/02:09
Kamioninfinity: no, the template was like that before you touched it (and messing with it wouldn't make any difference without more invasive changes, so I'm fine with what we have now for breezy)02:09
Kamionhno73: thanks!02:10
carloszyga, don't use -c02:10
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zygacarlos: :-)02:11
carloszyga, those errors are because most of the PO header are fuzzy02:11
zygaheh02:11
zygaI'll patch header fuziness and try again02:11
zygaor better02:11
zygause --check-format 02:12
carloszyga, msgfmt does that check by default02:12
zygaokay, cool02:12
zygathanks, I'm back to hacking02:13
zoot_ogra: hi, if you have a moment, please pop-in on #ltsp for a sec?02:14
HiddenWolfmvo, ping02:14
\sh_awayKamion: tested now...works fine.02:14
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zygapitti_live: did you concider using qemu to test the live cd?02:15
pitti_livezyga: I tried qemu once, but first it is nontrivial to set up, second, I'm not sure whether it supports amd64, and third, I want to test the true experience, not a simulated environment02:16
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pitti_livezyga: does qemu work well for that?02:16
zygapitti_live: I haven't tested that but AFAIR it does support both amd64 and ppc 02:17
zygapitti_live: nontrivial? qemu -cdrom foo.iso02:17
mvoHiddenWolf: pong02:17
pitti_livezyga: hm, last time I tried it it fell apart into pieces02:17
pitti_livezyga: maybe it got better now02:17
zygapitti_live: I've been using it lately to test live cds I've been building - it's quite usefull02:18
pitti_livezyga: but thanks for the hint! will try that02:18
HiddenWolfmvo, how trivial would it be to patch gksudo to grey out it's 'continue' button when no password is entered?02:18
zygapitti_live: for extra hardcore experience - try it now ;D02:18
pitti_livezyga: qemu on the live CD?02:18
zygaHiddenWolf: quite :)02:18
zygapitti_live: why not02:18
mvoHiddenWolf: good question, shouldn't be very hard but it's still something I would feel uneasy about so short to the release02:19
zygapitti_live: just apt-get install it :)02:19
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HiddenWolfmvo, just put it on the shortlist, it's kinda dumb to pop up a "you did not enter a password, and gksudo needs it" dialog. :)02:20
zygaHiddenWolf: does gksu works if user has no password?02:21
mvozyga: no02:21
mvozyga: qemu looks really nice02:21
pitti_livezyga: it doesn't have amd64, but powerpc02:21
HiddenWolfCan you get a useraccount without a password?02:21
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Kamionlast I looked its powerpc emulation was PReP only02:22
Kamionbut that might have changed02:22
zygaHiddenWolf: you can disable the password with passwd -d02:22
pitti_livezyga: I started it with the i386 live image, and it indeed does something :)02:23
zygapitti_live: tip: ctrl+alt+f for fullscreen02:23
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zygacarlos: there are some residual errors 02:29
zygacarlos: default CHARSET as charset, or non-portable charsets (windows stuff mostly)02:29
carloszyga, yeah, please, file a bug02:30
carlosI suppose that the best solution would be to export it as UTF-802:30
zygacarlos: a bug?02:30
zygacarlos: where, to the original project?02:30
zygacarlos: I agree about utf-802:30
carloswell, it's not a problem with Rosetta but someone uploading a broken pofile02:30
zygaall non utf-8 stuff should DIE unless we invent something better than utf-8 02:31
carloszyga, no, against Rosetta so we fix those files02:31
carloszyga, see you later, time to have lunch02:31
zygaokay02:31
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mdkeKamion, around?02:34
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Kamionmdke: yes?02:35
mdkeKamion, pvt02:35
\sh_awaygrmpf02:35
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zygahno73: ping02:37
pitti_livezyga: I'm impressed - I run a i386 live image in qemu on top of an amd64 live system 02:39
zygapitti_live: how is performance? how much ram do you have?02:39
pitti_livezyga: if my mouse would actually work in that system, it would be perfect :-)02:39
zygapitti_live: tip: alt+ctrl over the emulator window02:40
zyga(this will transfer the mouse)02:40
pitti_livezyga: I know02:40
pitti_livezyga: -> #ubuntu02:40
hno73zyga: pong02:40
zygahno73: hi, IIRC you are responsible for the wiki.ubuntu.com02:40
hno73zyga: yes02:41
zygahno73: I've told you about a trivial error in the search result page (for polish) recently, do you remember?02:41
zygahno73: I was wondering if I should file a bug about that :)02:41
hno73zyga: you can write it up here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/wiki/BugReports02:42
zygahno73: okay, thanks02:42
pitti_livesivang: brb, booting back to my normal system02:45
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da_bon_bondoes ubuntus hibernate unmount all disk drives before hibernating ?02:46
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zygahno73: done02:48
zygahno73: that bug seems trivial if you are interested in fixing it now ;-)02:48
JaneWGuys please read the BreezyReleaseNotes, and add any more know issues which need to be listed in these. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseNotes02:50
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zygacarlos: full log, some more less critical things that should not have been imported are around too: http://www.suxx.pl/ubuntu/language-packs/02:51
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zygapitti: ^02:51
hno73zyga: thanks. I don't think now is a good time though, with various release-related things up in the air02:52
zygahno73: sure02:52
da_bon_bonwhy does hibernate on ubuntu blank the screen ? that way, people like me, who donot use acpi cant know when to switch of the computer.02:54
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HiddenWolfGuys, my firefox is messed up badly03:35
HiddenWolfCould that be todays upgrade?03:36
fabbionemessed up how?03:36
HiddenWolfno menus03:36
fabbioneno03:36
fabbionethere was only a CFLAGS option changed03:37
HiddenWolfI'll investigate.03:37
TreenaksHiddenWolf: did you exit/restart firefox after the upgrade?03:38
fabbione(btw it works here)03:38
HiddenWolfTreenaks, i'll give it a reboot in a minute.03:39
TreenaksHiddenWolf: no, just firefox03:39
TreenaksHiddenWolf: not the entire machine03:39
HiddenWolfTreenaks, kernel upgrade too, might as well do the machine. :)03:40
HiddenWolfTreenaks, seven vunerabilities yesterday, remember. :)03:40
fabbioneHiddenWolf: not in breezy03:40
fabbioneread the changelog03:40
HiddenWolffabbione, must've cleaned thunderbird out already, i'll believe you on your word. :)03:41
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bddebianHello03:42
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dholbachre03:44
Kamionoh crap, that debconf-copydb templatedb translation handling bug has come back to bite me with oem-config03:44
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zygaJaneW: ping03:51
JaneWzyga: pong03:51
zygaJaneW: regarding BreezyReleaseNotes03:51
JaneWzyga: yes03:52
zygahow about adding a FAQ: where did the terminal from the desktop context menu go03:52
zygamy friedns keep asking for this after recent upgrade03:52
zyga(it's in the nautilus extension stuff AFAIR)03:52
Kamionzyga: there's already a FAQ entry for that03:52
Lathiatyeh, nautilus-open-terminal package03:52
Kamion Where did the Terminal go?03:53
Kamion    *03:53
Kamion      Not on the desktop context menu anymore. Install nautilus-open-terminal if you want it.03:53
zyga...03:53
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zygasorry I did read that but I've missed the n-o-t part somehow03:53
Lathiattahts not the best description03:53
Lathiat(question)03:53
JaneWzyga: that's in BreezyReleaseNotes already03:54
JaneWditto what kamion said...03:54
zygaJaneW: right, sorry03:54
JaneWnp :)03:54
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DizietCurse gs and it's strange half-reopening and half-closing of the x11 driver.03:56
Diziets/it's/its/; # and curse my speling two03:57
zygacarlos: ping03:57
Seveaselmo, Kamion, sabdfl, mako, *ping* CC meeting in 3 minutes :)03:57
Kamionoh god, such a bad time03:58
Kamionok03:58
diemannice03:58
ograoh, there is CC meeting now ? 03:58
diemanthe new .htaccess broke my mirror03:58
diemanoh well03:58
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carloszyga, pong03:58
zygacarlos: nautilus-open-terminal/rosetta/where/question/execute03:58
Kamiondieman: which new .htaccess?03:58
zygacarlos: according to mapping.txt it should have separate domain03:59
diemanKamion: there were some RedirectTemp entries for ubuntu-releases03:59
carloszyga, nautilus-open-terminal/rosetta/where/question/execute ?03:59
Kamiondieman: right, yeah, I added those 'cos I moved the source off releases back onto cdimage04:00
zygacarlos: also, re-checked current .po exports with less-strict checks and msgfmt still chokes on some of them, is that okay (since they were alredy imported and had to go through verification)04:00
diemanKamion: i didn't have the allowoverrides set to allow those,04:00
diemannot a huge deal04:00
Kamionfair enough04:00
diemanbut all the sudden it stopped working :)04:00
zygacarlos: rosetta doesn't contain nautilus-terminal-open according to search from the main page04:01
Kamiondid you spell it right? you didn't just now ...04:01
Lathiatnautilus-open-terminal04:01
carloszyga, which sourcepackage contains it?04:01
zygacarlos: n-o-t04:02
carlosLaschW, thanks04:02
carloss/LaschW/Lathiat/04:02
carloszyga, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/nautilus-open-terminal/+pots/nautilus-open-terminal04:02
zygahmmmm04:02
pittiKamion: do we care enough about sparc to warrant a postgresql-8.0 upload which uses gcc-3.3 on sparc? (#17507)04:02
pittifabbione: ^ 04:02
janimoKamion, can I branch the public ubuntu seed archive locally for xubuntu?04:02
zygacarlos: then why did searching for it fail?04:02
Kamionjanimo: certainly; see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement for info there04:02
Kamionjanimo: that's what I was going to suggest you do, in fact, as soon as I got time to reply to you04:03
fabbionepitti: is that required to make it working? 04:03
fabbionepitti: up to you really.. i have spare cpu cycles to build...04:03
pittifabbione: yes, otherwise it just plainly fails04:03
Kamionjanimo: you should also play around with germinate (in breezy)04:03
fabbionepitti: if you can get it in, the better04:03
pittifabbione: it's a simple workaround I already tested in Debian04:03
janimoKamion, so no chinstrap account and things like that?04:03
Kamionpitti: not unless an upload is needed for another reason, I think04:03
Kamionjanimo: no04:03
pittiKamion: no, on the primary arches it works fine04:04
janimoI'll have to ask jblack or lifeless for a place to publish my changes though04:04
Kamionthat's only if you need to commit to the Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Edubuntu seeds04:04
Kamionjanimo: surely you have some web space somewhere?04:04
pittiKamion: the upload would not change anything on the primary arches, though04:04
fabbionepitti: it's ok.. we will cope with it on dapper04:04
pittifabbione: alright04:04
janimoKamion, other than a sourceforge account not right now04:04
fabbionepitti: thanks a lot for looking into it04:04
janimowill get some though don't worry04:04
carloszyga, because the sourcepackage search form does not contain any data04:06
carloszyga, it will be fixed soon04:06
zygacarlos: right, thanks :-)04:07
carloszyga, if you know the sourcepackage name will work if you add it by hand, sorry for this usability problem, hope it will be fixed soon04:08
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zygabarf04:14
zygaanyone know how the hell does msggrep works...04:14
zygaeg: msggrep -K foo bar.po 04:15
Kamion-K -E foo04:15
Kamion?04:15
Kamioner, -e04:15
zygaI want to find 'foo' in msgid in bar.po04:15
KamionI think I usually have to give it -e or -f04:15
Kamionso 'msggrep -K -e foo bar.po'04:15
zygahmm04:15
Kamionthat's what the --help says if you read it VERY carefully04:16
zygamanpage is broken04:16
zyga;)04:16
zygalacks 'EXAMPLES' section04:16
zygaKamion: Message selection:04:16
zyga  [-N SOURCEFILE] ... [-M DOMAINNAME] ...04:16
zyga  [-K MSGID-PATTERN]  [-T MSGSTR-PATTERN]  [-C COMMENT-PATTERN] 04:16
zyga-K pattern -- that is wrong according to real life 04:17
KamionMSGID-PATTERN or MSGSTR-PATTERN or COMMENT-PATTERN syntax:04:17
Kamion  [-E | -F]  [-e PATTERN | -f FILE] ...04:17
zygaah04:17
Kamiontherefore [-K MSGID-PATTERN]  => [-K [-E | -F]  [-e PATTERN | -f FILE] ] 04:17
Kamionnot really obvious, but ...04:17
zygaonly GNU people read help files like that04:17
zygathanks Kamion :)04:18
zygas/read/write/04:20
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zygait's useless for checking .pot files04:27
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zygacarlos: is there any plan to change the way long long messages are displayed?04:38
zygacarlos: currently it is very difficult to translate long messages as the translator needs to scroll back and forth to read both texts04:39
carloszyga, any suggestion is welcomed, we don't have any solution for that atm04:40
Riddellmjg59: who made the ubuntu usplash image?04:42
zygacarlos: since horizontal space is very limited this is difficult04:42
carlosyeah04:42
zygacarlos: is it possible to include the contents of both columns as a box atop the page04:42
zygaso that translations can use all the horizontal space below?04:43
zyga(hint: this way we could fit a two column interface there)04:43
carloszyga, talk with mpt at #launchpad, he's our UI expert04:43
zygacarlos: ok04:43
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zygamvo: ping, if busy respond with pong-busy04:46
zyga(low importance)04:46
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infinitypitti : Build fixed/rescued.04:50
pittiinfinity: thanks04:51
mvozyga: pong-busy04:51
mvozyga:what is it about?04:51
zygamvo: missing patch for update-manager CVS, nothing important really04:52
mvozyga: ok04:53
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seb128pitti: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1754005:01
pittiseb128: yep, I'm on it05:01
seb128pitti: k, just to make you know05:01
pittiseb128: the current Rosetta export is a mess, I need to clean it up05:01
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mvopitti: I got a similar report today (just FYI)05:05
pittiyesyesyes, I'm working as fast as I can05:06
Dizietkamion: I think I have a fix for at least half of 17141 (strange gs crashes).05:07
Diziet(on oofice pdf's)05:07
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DizietI've been investigating with gs-gpl.  Should I (a) port my fix to gs-esp and upload both straight away or (b) wait until I think I know what the second problem is (pdf2ps fails if you use gs-esp but not otherwise) or (c) something else ?05:08
ograKamion, ping05:09
KamionDiziet: how long do you think (b)'s likely to take?05:09
Kamionogra: pong05:09
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ograKamion, can you make todays edubuntu daily a RC ? i tested on amd64 and i386... seems fine for me05:10
Kamionogra: I'm working on utterly scarily critical stuff right now, but if I get done with that, yes05:10
Dizietkamion: I don't know yet, I had been assuming they were the same bug and I haven't looked at the 2nd half yet.05:11
KamionDiziet: we're rapidly running out of time, so I'd say (a), if (b)'s as yet uninvestigated05:11
ograKamion, thanks... its not urgent, bureaucracy only anyway :)05:11
DizietWhen is out of time ?05:11
DizietIn about 15 mins I'll know whether (b) is trivial or nontrivial.05:12
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Kamionyou certainly have 15 minutes05:12
Diziet:-)05:12
Kamion'cos I'm not going to have oem-config fixed within that time :)05:12
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Keybuk...who knows about pcmcia-cs ?05:19
Keybukmost of the modules seem to be missing from /lib/modules/.../drivers/pcmcia05:20
Dizietkamion: the crash is in a freeing routine and the first thing valgrind spots is in the garbage collector.  I think it might be best to punt.  gs-gpl and pdftops (from xpdf) both work fine.05:22
spaynesabdfl: ping05:23
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KamionDiziet: all right05:24
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DizietI'll go and fight these nightmare patch systems to prepare a pair of uploads.05:26
pittiDiziet: does that have anything to do with the bug that ps2pdf cannot convert postscript produced by latex or firefox? (missing fonts)05:31
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DizietI doubt it.05:33
DizietThe symptoms from these pdfs is that gs-esp eats a lot of ram and then coredumps.05:34
DizietErr, symptoms are.05:34
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pittiDiziet: ok, thanks05:34
Dizietpdf2ps is pretty ropey.  I'm not sure why you'd use it if you've got pdftops.05:34
pittiDiziet: it worked fine in hoary05:34
DizietUm, yes.  It's still ropey :-).05:35
diemanyeah05:37
diemanpstopdf keeps fonts around, too05:37
diemandoesn't pdf2ps lose them?05:37
pittiDiziet: erm, btw, I mean ps2pdf, not pdf2ps05:37
DizietErr, oh.05:38
diemanpdftops, rather05:38
diemanhrm05:38
diemanbroken ps2pdf would suck.05:38
pittiif there is another way to convert a postscript file to pdf other than ps2pdf (i. e. ghostscript), I'd be interested :-)05:38
N6REJMay I ask a hardware support question?05:39
pittiI noticed it yesterday when I wanted to archive my fiscal report for September05:39
zygaLathiat: you have reached a zero value!05:39
DizietI don't know anything about this other bug, but it doesn't sound at all related to what I have here.05:39
N6REJyes? no?05:41
Lathiatzyga: :)05:41
KamionN6REJ: we prefer support questions on #ubuntu, really ...05:42
N6REJKamion: ok, I've tried there, and I believe there to be a bug in the driver is why I'm asking here... But I understand.05:42
Kamionif you've got it down far enough that you think you can point to a particular bug in a particular driver, then that sounds like good material for a bug report05:43
Kamionoh, I *hate* cdebconf sometimes05:43
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N6REJKamion, I have an ancient S3 Virge video card, with 8mb of ram ( pci ) and it runs great in ubuntu UNTIL you throw the desktop on.  Then it boots gives you the beautiful orange breezy screen and locks up at the username prompt! Its a hardware lock as you can't even [ctrl] +[alt] +[del]  to reboot.  It uses the I850 chipset.  I've tried s3, vesa, s3virge, everything I can think of and all do the...05:45
N6REJ...same.  If I dont' use the gui it works great.05:45
N6REJKamion: Its a server, so its not a show-stopper, but sense your so close to release I thought I'd mention it.05:46
KamionN6REJ: does it work if you boot in recovery mode?05:47
N6REJKamion: yes05:47
KamionN6REJ: file a bug against the usplash component, please; it's probably that05:47
N6REJworks if you just install in straight server mode too.05:47
bddebianWho enables whitelists for katie?  Is that mako?05:49
dholbachelmo05:49
bddebianOhh05:49
dholbachit's explained on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads05:49
makobddebian: not me :)05:49
N6REJkamion, ok.. last one... and this might be a big one..... I just bought belkins 54g F5D7001 wireless nics, and gave my son his first computer ( with ubuntu breezy of course ) and breezy thought it was a "firewire" card.  I fixed the wiki so that others can now use it with ubuntu, but I don't think breezy should think its a firewire card.05:49
N6REJty for listening, and I'll post the bug... I've posted a few others05:49
dholbachso don't write to his normal adress05:50
Kamionagain, that sounds better as a bug report; if it's an installer issue, use 'debian-installer' as the first-resort component05:50
dholbachEWINDOW05:50
N6REJKamion: very good... btw, nice job.  Installs fairly easily... not as slick as engarde, but nice.  Better server documentation would be wonderful.  Have a great day hope to be able to participate more.05:51
N6REJg'bye05:51
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Kamionogra: oh, I dunno, you could try the first hit on google ;-)05:59
ograheh05:59
ograin fact its the second :)06:00
segfaultwhat a boring day.06:00
ograoh, looks like a trulux sideproject :)06:00
ograand mentions the word secure in every second sentence ...06:01
Kamionogra: *shrug* it's the first here06:01
ograKamion, i ger german ones first... there is a fair booth building company called engarde :)06:01
ogras/ger/get06:02
DizietDammit, something has gone wrong here.  gs-gpl ubuntu3 seems to be missing the diff from ubuntu1.06:03
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DizietOh for a revision control system !06:06
zygaAmaranth: hi06:06
KeybukDiziet: I'm writing' it, I'm writin' it!  hold yer 'orses06:09
Keybukhttps://launchpad.net/products/gs-gpl/+series/main06:09
Keybuk^ there's a CVS mainline import for gs-gpl, so that one's probably ready earlyish06:10
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Keybukoh, wait, "Test Failed" ... bug lifeless and ddaa <g>06:10
DizietHrrrrm.  It's my own diffs I'm losing track of !06:10
Keybukthat's what HCT is for06:11
segfaultogra: will the new xscreensaver be fixed for breezy?06:13
ograsegfault, you mean pt_BR06:13
segfaultyeah, heh06:13
DizietIndeed.  Should I start to use it yet ?  Given that I'm not really a bleeding-edge type ...06:13
ograsegfault, i'm on it... i'm just preparing a RC for edubuntu in the other channel06:14
segfaultah, ok06:14
Amaranthzyga: hi06:15
zygaAmaranth: dholbach suggested that you might know something about one thing06:16
Amaranthzyga: python or menu?06:16
zygaAmaranth: does the .desktop file specs provide any icon fallback support06:16
Amaranthzyga: Not that I'm aware of06:16
ograzyga, the panel maenu has a fallback06:17
Amaranthzyga: If the icon doesn't exist ubuntu's patched gnome-panel will add a basic application icon06:17
zygahmm 06:17
zygaogra: how does the panel select the icon then?06:17
Amaranthzyga: But you can just say "Icon=foo" and it'll look in the icon theme the user is using for foo.png, foo.svg, etc at all sizes, then fall back to hicolor, then to the basic application icon06:18
ograzyga, it doesnt... if there is no icon, it shows a hardcoded default one06:18
zygaAmaranth: I know06:18
mvoslomo_: did you had any luck with the updated gnome-terminal? did it fix #17309 for you?06:19
zygaAmaranth: I've noticed tango-icon-theme and decided to check how it works in reality - nautlius.desktop has Icon=file-manager where t-i-t provides system-file-manager06:19
zygaAmaranth, ogra: thanks06:20
KamionKeybuk: dude. what do you think about adding - flags to programs in dpkg-dev? ;-)06:20
ograzyga, did you read all the docs on the websie about new specs ? they want to change naming schemes06:20
KeybukKamion: -?! what06:21
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ograloool06:21
zygaogra: no, not yet I'm parsing thru...06:21
zygaKamion: - ;-) ?06:21
Amaranthzyga: You should email the fd.o xdg-list and suggest making the Icon key a semicolon seperated list06:22
ograzyga, afaik, dholbach just packed up quickly what was there i dont think the theme has seen extensive adjustments to match ubuntu06:22
Amaranthzyga: or have fun with symlinks06:22
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zygaAmaranth, ogra: I'm off job for today so I might hack this stuff for recreation06:23
ogra(which was the right thing imho regarding its immaturity)06:23
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zygadholbach: interereted in a tester? :)06:23
dholbachzyga: tester for what?06:23
zyga^^06:23
ograzyga, its very young... 06:23
zygaogra: I know :)06:23
Amaranthzyga: If you can hack gnome-panel/gnome-menus (whichever handles loading the file and finding the icon) to work with lists that'd be awesome06:23
zygadholbach: the icon theme06:23
ogradont expect i to work or have at least the minimal icon set06:24
Amaranthtango doesn't have many icons actually completed yet06:24
ograyup06:24
ograso its nice to have... but dont file bugs about it ;)06:24
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zygaAmaranth: I don't care about the icons really 06:25
zygaAmaranth: what I do like is the idea of another standard for desktop stuff that others might follow06:26
zyga(linux desktop really needs this)06:26
zygaIMHO of course06:26
dholbachbbl06:28
Amaranthzyga: Unless the gnome-panel handles icon loading like that it'll get no where without support from GNOME and every upstream in the world. :)06:29
jdubpart of the project is standardising icon names06:29
AmaranthSure, but we need a gradual change, not a massive all-or-nothing change.06:30
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spayneis this Tango06:36
Amaranthyeah06:36
mdzdoko: ping06:41
zygaAmaranth: true06:41
mdzmorning all06:42
zygamorning mdz06:42
dokomdz: pong06:42
spayneKamion: ping06:43
mdzdoko: can we get #4658 fixed for the release?  it is a long-standing wart06:43
Kamionspayne: yes?06:43
ogramorn mdz 06:43
spayneKamion: the next meeting is in half term so i can make it :)06:43
spayneKamion: sorry again :)06:43
Kamionspayne: yes, I saw your comment to that effect on #ubuntu-meeting06:44
Kamionthanks06:44
spayneKamion: just when you're thinking about something all day and when it comes to it :(06:44
infinitymdz : Mornin'.06:44
dokomdz: yes, looks doable06:44
pittiHi mdz 06:44
infinitymdz : Do you have time to argue once more about atheros in the installer?... Earlier today, I had a revelation that it would be MUCH easier to do than we first imagined, and worked up diffs to make it so.  The changes are tiny, very obvious, and should Just Work.06:46
infinitymdz : I have the two diffs here: http://cerberus.0c3.net/~adconrad/ath_di/06:47
infinitymdz : The nice thing is that no changes in d-i itself are required.06:47
spayneKamion: will this go against my application?06:48
Dizietkamion: After faffing, I've determined that: 1. gs-gpl had accidentally had one of our fixes revered (by me, I assume :-/).  But I have a version with that fix and the new one and it works nicely.06:48
mdzinfinity: isn't a dependency from nic-restricted-modules -> binutils-static-udeb necessary?06:49
Diziet2. gs-esp is broken on at least some pdf's from ooffice and this is true for x11 driver as well as pdf2ps.06:49
Kamionspayne: applications are considered on the basis of ongoing contribution to Ubuntu; persistent disruptiveness or obnoxiousness would be a problem, but a simple mistake isn't06:49
\shhmm...hotplug is the responsible piece of software which loads the pcmcia drivers, right?06:49
Diziet2. is the heap corruption, which is a different bug to the x11 bug I've just been chasing.06:49
spayneKamion: thanks :)06:50
DizietSo I propose to upload gs-gpl now and carry on faffing with gs-esp.06:50
infinitymdz : No, binutils-static-udeb will get pulled in by priority overrides.06:50
mdzinfinity: and guaranteed to be there before nic-restricted-modules is configured?06:51
infinitymdz : Dependencies would be nice, but anna doesn't quite deal with them as expected anyway, so fixing that particular warty can wait for dapper.06:51
infinitymdz : So Kamion tells me.  It should unpack them in alphabetical order (oo, how frightening is that?)06:51
Kamionin practice anna unpacks stuff (and configures, for non-menu-item packages) in Packages file order06:51
mdzI don't think it would be wise to force this into breezy at this point06:52
Kamionwhich is sucky, but no way am I fixing it now06:52
Kamionmdz: we can incorporate these changes into breezy, but not raise the priority of the udebs06:52
mdzyes, that's fine06:52
Kamionmdz: that will have zero effect on our current installer, but allow us to give people a boot option that will make atheros work06:52
DizietThe debdiffs between Debian and the proposed upload and between Breezy and the proposed upload of gs-gpl look as I'd expect.06:52
infinitymdz : So, I'm okay to upload these, then, and the priorities will determine if stuff gets used or not?06:53
mdzinfinity: sounds good06:53
KamionDiziet: gs-gpl> yes, based on the previous discussion we had06:53
Dizietkamion: Right.06:54
spaynejdub: do you know at what stage Tango is at?06:54
mdzinfinity: surely this uses a ridiculous amount of memory in the installer06:54
bddebianelmo is back to doing all the syncs right?06:54
mdzoh, I suppose it's nvidia and ati which are huge06:54
mdzath_hal is fairly small06:54
infinitymdz : Quite, yes.06:55
infinity(Hence why we shrunk the udeb)06:55
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mdzinfinity: if lrm-manager fails, will it bring down the postinst (and the installer) with it?06:56
spayneweird thing06:56
spaynewhy for some, is it called Trash and others Wastebasket06:56
spayneis this a bug?06:56
spaynewhich should it be?06:56
infinitymdz : Note the liberal sprinkling of || true in the two places where it might fail for odd reasons.06:56
infinitymdz : (Well, the true on the touch is necessary because busybox just plain can't do that, the ||true on the ld call is my own paranoia)06:57
mdzinfinity: right, but even safer would be to wrap the lrm-manager call itself06:57
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infinityThere is no lrm-manager call, lrm-manager is installed as the postinst.06:58
mdzoh, you made lrm-managre the postinst06:58
mdzeek06:58
mdzinfinity: have you tested this?06:58
infinityIt seemed a very di-ish thing to do.06:58
infinityNot in an installer image, but I've tested lrm-manager-commands-in-busybox06:59
jdubspayne: kicking off, with a fair few icons done06:59
spaynejdub: it sounds like a good project06:59
spaynejdub: do you know about this wastebasket thing?06:59
Kamionthe postinst will definitely get run at what seems to be an appropriate time (during the anna run)06:59
ograspayne, i dont think its at a stage where you should file any bugs about stuff yet ;)06:59
ograspayne, its *very* young07:00
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mdzDiziet: please send a debdiff for gs-gpl 8.01-5ubuntu407:01
spayneogra: i'm talking about Breezy man!07:01
infinitymdz : Kamion's giving me a recipe to do a local test right now.07:01
spayneogra: on dist-upgraded from Hoary, it is called Trash07:02
spayneogra: but on fresh installed, it is called Wastebasket07:02
spaynehas anyone seen this one?07:04
jdubspayne: wastebasket?07:04
Lathiatwe're moving to malone after breezy?07:04
jbaileyspayne: Are you sure you selected the same locale?07:05
jduboh, that's the non-US name for 'trash' :)07:05
jbaileyspayne: From a terminal "set | grep LANG" would tell you. =)07:05
\shmdz: ping07:05
mdz\sh: yes?07:05
\shmdz: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16375 <- see last comment...what are you saying? (amarok)07:06
mdz\sh: there are no comments from me in that bug07:06
spaynejbailey: i have a dist-upgraded on my ibook and it says trash07:06
spaynejbailey: the rest say Wastebasket07:06
\shmdz: yes, I'm asking you about a comment...for me it's a nogo to include a new untested amarok07:06
mbreitinfinity: thanks for fixing my problem!!! (well... what was the problem??)07:07
jbaileyspayne: Right.  But it's still worth checking to make sure you have the same locale set.07:07
pitti@all: if package foo version 1 Replaces: foo (<< 1), will that hurt in any way?07:07
jbaileyspayne: My best bet is that you don't.07:07
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mdz\sh: if you feel that it should not be included, then I will not argue with you07:08
spaynejbailey: they both say LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 and LANGUAGE=en_GB:en07:09
\shmdz: what do you feel? I'm scared...cause 1.3.1 gave me enough paine07:09
infinitymbreit : Not sure right now, actually.  It's a bug we need to debug post-release, right now I just worked around it.07:09
infinitymbreit : it's a bug in either scons, ccache, or our crazy gcc wrapper.  Or all three.  Or something else.  I'm undecided at this point.07:10
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pittiKamion, mdz: I'm building new langpacks now; I expect to have them ready in about 1 hour; is uploading ok for you?07:13
mbreitinfinity: okay.... if I can help there just ask... and thanks again for fixing it07:14
spaynejbailey: ping07:14
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Phanatichi all07:15
mvomdz: I need to revert a launchpad-integration fix: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/launchpad-integration_0.0patch26+mvo20-0ubuntu2.debdiff, it seems to cause problems with gnome-terminal (because it has a different implementation of menu accelerators). this will bring back ugly warnings, but it fixes a (rare) crash07:15
jbaileyspayne: I'm still trying to think of what else is likely.07:15
mvomdz: is that ok with you?07:15
\shbah...I'll package a new amarok...and lets see07:15
\shthe bugfixes are more interessting then the ipod issue07:15
spaynejbailey: i think it could be something in gconf or .gnome07:15
jbaileyspayne: what happens if you force the language with gdm on each of those?07:16
spaynejbailey: how do i do that?07:17
jbaileyspayne: The gdm screen has a languge option near th bottom.07:18
mdzDiziet: eek, only 8.01-5ubuntu4 was in the .changes (you forgot -v)07:19
Dizietmdz: Um ?  -v on debdiff ?07:20
mdzDiziet: on dpkg-genchanges07:20
mdzfor the actual upload07:21
spaynejbailey: trying now07:21
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mdzDiziet: oh, -5ubuntu3 is already in the archive (I guess Kamion approved it?)07:23
DizietYes, a little while ago.07:23
DizietBut ubuntu3 is broken because it's missing the change in ubuntu1.07:23
mdzyou sent a diff for 8.01-5 -> 8.01-5ubuntu407:23
DizietI sent two diffs in the same mail.07:24
Kamionthere's nothing in my shell history approving gs-gpl07:24
mdzso you did07:24
Diziet13th of September.07:24
Kamionthough it might have overflowed07:24
DizietThe first one is from the Debian version, indeed.  Mainly because ubuntu3 to ubuntu4 is scarier than Debian to ubuntu4.07:24
mdzKamion: nor mine07:25
mdzhow long ago was -5ubuntu3?07:25
Diziet13th of September.07:25
mdzoh07:25
mdzwell that explains07:25
Kamionmdz: I have some oem-config, localechooser, and kbd-chooser changes on the way to fix #17366; they have no effect on the normal installer, despite changing localechooser and kbd-chooser07:26
Kamion(i.e. they're only the oem-config hooks for the latter)07:26
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mdzKamion: I'm happy to eyeball them as a sanity check07:32
Kamionthanks07:33
KamionI can only apologise for not sorting out translation earlier07:33
KamionI think I also need to arrange for oem-config-firstboot to refuse to drop you to a login prompt until you've created a non-system user07:33
Kamiontoday I managed to cancel my way out of oem-config only to arrive at a login prompt on a system which had no users with configured passwords07:34
mdzseb128: gnome-vfs2 approved, thanks07:35
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paulproteus|jhuThere is a very important bug with Ubuntu PowerPC in Breezy.  pbbuttonsd does not start because it does not find /dev/mixer and /dev/dsp .  These are created on "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "modprobe snd-mixer-oss".07:49
paulproteus|jhuWithout pbbuttons running, sleep does not work, which is how I noticed this.07:49
paulproteus|jhuAfter running those two commands, and doing sudo /etc/init.d/pbbuttons start, sleep works fine.07:49
paulproteus|jhuBreezy is coming out extremely soon - whose attention can I bring this to?07:49
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crimsundoes pbbuttonsd use an initscript?07:51
paulproteus|jhucrimsun, Yes.07:51
dilingerooh07:52
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dilingerseb128: any particular reason we're not building totem-{gstreamer,xine} w/ --enable-mozilla and --enable-nautilus?07:52
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crimsunpaulproteus|jhu: what is its numbering relative to hotplug and to alsa-utils?07:54
mdzpaulproteus|jhu: I have a very good friend who works at JHU07:55
dilingerneat, it works07:56
pittiuh - libmad0 is still in main - I though that should disappear?07:57
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silbsmdz: did keybuk talk to you about fixing the network config delay at boot?07:58
mdzsilbs: how recently?  I thought he had fixed it last week or so07:59
mdzsilbs: if not, it's entirely too late now08:00
silbsmdz: yesterday.  08:00
silbsit's not fixed now08:00
silbshe said he knew how to fix it and needed to talk to you08:00
mdzsilbs: no, not yesterday (I was ostensibly on holiday, though I was around most of the day)08:00
silbsit slows down boot by over a minute. 08:01
mdzI haven't heard about it from anyone other than you; it certainly doesn't affect any of my test systems08:01
silbsthere are a couple other very obvious, user-facing bugs I've been watching that aren't fixed yet - shall I start questioning those?08:01
mdzsilbs: I plan to start building candidate ISOs today08:02
mdzfor release in <48 hours08:02
silbsmdz: it happens to claire too, don't know about others. Scott says it is leftover "auto eth" lines in interfaces file08:02
paulproteus|jhumdz, Cool!  Who do you know who works at JHU?08:02
silbsmdz: about ubuntu still doesn't work08:02
silbsmdz: we put an evolution icon on the panel that doesn't work08:02
mdzsilbs: about ubuntu should have been fixed today08:02
ograsilbs, not with the update from today (about ubuntu ?)08:03
mdzsilbs: the evolution panel icon has worked fine in all my tests to date; can you be more specific?08:03
silbscllick icon, error msg "failed to execute child process evolution-2.2". seb128 knows about it08:03
ogramdz, have you clicked it 08:03
mdzogra: yes, on the RC live CD08:04
mdzon 3 architectures08:04
mdzsilbs: hmm, that sounds like a post-RC change that seb128 made08:04
silbsogra: I updated this morning (my time) and it doesn't work. If it went in sometime today then I don't have it yet08:04
pittiFWIW, I always test evo on my live CD tests; WFM08:04
mdzsilbs: and assured me it would have absolutely no visible impact :-P08:04
paulproteus|jhucrimsun, Let me check.08:04
silbsmdz: the evolution problem has been there since I started using breezy (preview-ish time)08:05
mdzsilbs: then probably something is not fixed on upgrade; it had been fixed for new installs for ages08:05
vuntzsilbs: did you upgrade from hoary?08:06
silbsmdz: yes, it is an upgrade issue. But we have lots of people who upgrade.08:06
mdzsilbs: did you file it in bugzilla at preview-ish time?08:06
silbsmdz: yes08:06
silbsyes to upgrade, and yes I filed it08:06
mdzsilbs: there are upgrades, and there are upgrades to pre-release versions08:06
paulproteus|jhucrimsun, postinst contains "update-rc.d pbbuttonsd defaults 12 >/dev/null08:06
paulproteus|jhu"08:06
vuntzmdz: it's most probably because evolution .desktop file calls the versioned evolution binary08:06
vuntz(evolution is broken, yes)08:07
paulproteus|jhucrimsun, Problem is, even after the system is fully-booted, my iBook doesn't have snd-pcm-oss or snd-mixer-oss loaded08:07
ogra vuntz and we have this issue every release08:07
crimsunpaulproteus|jhu: what sound driver is loaded?08:07
vuntzseb128 should install a evolution-2.2 symlink08:07
paulproteus|jhucrimsun, snd-powermac , iirc08:07
vuntzogra: will be fixed in 2.1408:07
paulproteus|jhu(I'm not currently at it.)08:07
ograi remember it from warty and i remember it from hoary08:07
vuntzogra: I flamed evo people and they'll change it ;-)08:07
mdzsilbs: sometimes we can only fix the upgrade after the fact.  this is all guesswork, though, since I don't know for certain what the bug is08:08
ogravuntz, yay08:08
crimsunpaulproteus|jhu: hmm, is snd-powermac loaded automatically? (it should be)08:08
paulproteus|jhucrimsun, Yes.08:09
paulproteus|jhuBut snd-mixer-oss and snd-pcm-oss aren't.08:09
silbsmdz: whenever I bring this up people say "we know about that, we've had that problem before, we need to add a symlink for the update in ersion nnumbers"08:09
crimsunpaulproteus|jhu: ok. You should be able to work around that for now by placing snd-pcm-oss in /etc/modules08:09
silbsmdz:  but as is, for a large number of users (people who upgrade), one of the few icons we put on the panel doesn't work.08:09
paulproteus|jhucrimsun, I can work around it myself.08:09
paulproteus|jhucrimsun, It's for the release that I'm worried.08:09
mdzsilbs: well the bug (10164) has been marked "pending upload" for 5 months08:09
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zygauhh08:09
zygadoes ubuntu use any library prelinking?08:10
Mithrandirno08:10
silbsfyi - elmo just updated and says the about ubuntu one is fixed08:11
elmothe evolution-2.2 one probably isn't fixed08:11
elmoas I just updated and there isn't an 'evolutuon-2.2' command08:11
vuntzseb128 just added the evolution-2.2 .desktop file, I think08:12
vuntzhe didn't think about the binary08:12
mdzelmo: yes, see 1016408:12
crimsunpaulproteus|jhu: that reeks of update weirdness; snd-pcm-oss should be loaded automatically due to line 12 of /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base08:12
mdzvuntz: why isn't the launcher on the panel just updated on upgrade?08:12
paulproteus|jhucrimsun, Okay.  Then perhaps that's the cause.08:12
mdzthat would be much more elegant than adding symlinks08:12
crimsunpaulproteus|jhu: (basically, if you have snd-powermac loaded, you have snd-pcm loaded, and snd-pcm-oss is loaded directly after snd-pcm is loaded)08:13
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fabbionemdz: aren't the panel thing added to ~/.gnome* ? if so i am not sure how you can do that cleanly without treating them as config file08:13
fabbionemdz: that might be why they are not updated automatically08:14
vuntzmdz: the launchers on the panel are referenced in gconf08:14
ografabbione, thats not how gconf works... 08:14
vuntzmdz: it's user data08:14
paulproteus|jhucrimsun, Glad to hear this won't affect others, then.08:14
vuntzit can not be upgraded that easily :/08:14
ogravuntz, not if its a global setting08:15
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vuntzogra: the reference to the launcher is in gconf08:15
fabbioneogra: similar concept08:15
vuntzthe default launchers are in /usr/share/applications, though08:15
vuntzso evolution-2.2.desktop should use the evolution binary (not evolution-2.2)08:15
ograif i have a global setting normally no user setiing is created for it unless i change something, no ? 08:15
vuntzogra: wrong for the panel :-)08:16
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vuntzmdz: I suppose it doesn't work for people who manually created a new launcher for evolution08:16
mdzvuntz: I don't think silbs manually created a new launcher08:16
ograuhh, odd... we should use the cdd gconf dirs for that instead08:16
vuntzmdz: well, it must be08:17
vuntzmdz: because it's not using the .desktop that's in /usr/share/applications08:17
silbsvuntz: no, I didn't create a new one. 08:17
dholbachvuntz: /usr/share/applications/evolution-*.desktop has Exec= evolution-2.4 (or 'evolution --component=mail')08:18
silbswe had one there by default in earlier versions (to the left of the life preserver).08:18
vuntzsilbs: can you do: "grep evolution ~/.gnome2/panel2.d/default/launchers/" in a terminal?08:18
vuntzdholbach: indeed. That's why I'm saying silbs is not using the default launcher :-)08:18
TMMhey, I've got some ideas on some enhancements I want to have in dapper, and I am willing to implement them myself too. What is the way to go about this? I don't really want to implement the tools I would like to see only to find out that they are not going to be accepted. I know the usual way of these things is 'show us the code' :)08:19
TMMopening a wishlist bug perhaps? but I don't really want someone else to do it :) and I don't want to give people that impression :)08:20
silbsvuntz: /home/jane/.gnome2/panel2.d/default/launchers/eek-00480999d8.desktop:Exec=evolution-2.208:20
TMM(not that I'd mind someone else implementing somethings though) :)08:20
fabbioneTMM: this isn't exactly the right time to discuss dapper08:20
vuntzsilbs: so you manually added the launcher to the panel :-)08:20
fabbioneTMM: we are very close to release and we are all overbloated of work08:21
TMMwhoops, sorry08:21
dholbachTMM: IdeaPool on the wiki maybe08:21
silbsvuntz: I really didn't.  I did add other launchers to the panel, but not that one08:21
fabbioneTMM: please stick all your ideas on the wiki08:21
fabbioneTMM: so that nothing will get lost08:21
dholbachTMM: and if it's desktop related, DesktopTeamVisions, thank you :)08:21
TMMfabbione, ok, I just want to know the prodcedure :) not discuss the ideas, I know you are busy :)08:22
TMMcarry on :P08:22
TMM;)08:22
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dholbachthe only option in the evolution issue seems to a symlink08:22
elmosorry - not being funny, but what does it matter whether or not it was user added?08:23
silbsvuntz: and frankly, even if I did add it myself (which I didn't :) ), it should still work08:23
TMMbtw, anything I can do or test? if people are overbloated, perhaps there's some things that non-authorised people can take over?08:23
vuntzsilbs: I'm pretty sure you added it :-)08:23
vuntzsilbs: but it should work, yes08:23
elmovuntz: I'm pretty sure she didn't08:23
elmovuntz: we have other people in the office with the same symptoms08:23
vuntzelmo: well, the file can not appear without user interaction08:23
elmovuntz: sigh08:23
vuntzor a script installed it08:23
elmoanyway, this is STILL missing the point08:23
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zygaI modified libgnome-desktop but I have trouble actually seeing any changes, is there something tricky I need to do to make all binaries use this modified library?08:24
TMMI couldn't quite get the hang of the FTBFS list for universe, a lot of stuff didn't really seem broken, and I don't have an AMD64 box08:24
TMM:)08:24
elmowhy can we not just add the symlink and be done with it?08:24
elmoit's a one line change08:24
vuntzthe point is that someone should add a evolution-2.2 symlink08:24
dholbachTMM: that's for #ubuntu-motu08:24
zygaI've tried make install and building & installing 08:24
vuntz(and probably a evolution-2.0 symlink too, btw)08:24
TMMdholbach, I know, I just made an example :) asking for something else that would be useful08:24
seb128re08:24
seb128dilinger: what? we use mozilla/nautilus08:25
seb128mdz: thanks for gnome-vfs208:25
seb128vuntz: that doesn't work, it gives 2 menu entries, I already said it to you yesterday08:25
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vuntzseb128: if you added a symlink for the *binary* ?08:26
vuntzs/added/add/08:26
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fabbionemdz: may i suggest you add also an evolution -> evolution-$latest? so we can get over this transition in the next release?08:26
dholbachas i see it evolution-2.{0,2,4} weren't installable anyway, so that should be no problem to do08:26
mdzfabbione: that has always been there08:27
fabbionemdz: like changing the .desktop to point to evolution (neutral version)08:27
dholbach... parallel ...08:27
fabbioneah ok08:27
mdzfabbione: the problem is that the .desktop file points to evolution-<ver>08:27
seb128silbs, mdz: the change was supposed to fix that08:27
fabbionemdz: yes.. we should make it neutral08:27
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vuntzfabbione: evolution people will fix this for 2.1408:27
jdubvuntz: finally?08:28
silbsseb128: it didn't08:28
seb128vuntz: why, evolution-2.2.desktop has Exec=evolution-2.408:28
vuntzjdub: yes, I flamed them :-)08:28
mdzjdub: they get the rusty trowel award08:28
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jdubvuntz: sweet, well done :)08:28
vuntzseb128: .desktop files added by the user :-)08:28
dilingerseb128: sorry, was looking at older packages08:28
dholbachseb128: some dekstop entries still have evolution-2.208:28
seb128fabbione, mdz: it is neutral now, issue is upgrades from hoary08:28
mdzseb128: silbs' launcher still tries to run evolution-2.208:28
seb128dholbach: not everybody to the same time please08:28
mdzseb128: and it doesn't seem neutral now either08:28
mdzgrep Exec /usr/share/applications/evolution-2.4.desktop08:29
mdzExec=evolution-2.408:29
seb128mdz: panel uses /usr/share/applications/evolution-mail.desktop08:29
seb128with new installs08:29
mdzok08:29
mdz/usr/share/applications/evolution-2.2.desktop:Exec=evolution-2.408:29
mdz/usr/share/applications/evolution-2.4.desktop:Exec=evolution-2.408:29
mdz/usr/share/applications/evolution-mail.desktop:Exec=evolution --component=mail08:29
seb128we use -mail now which is neutral08:31
dholbachthe problem are older launchers in ~08:31
seb128for update as I understand it the panel looks for evolution-2.2.desktop08:31
seb128and I've made <mdz> /usr/share/applications/evolution-2.2.desktop:Exec=evolution-2.408:31
seb128vuntz: any other option?08:32
seb128dholbach: I can't change ~ datas from the package08:32
dholbachseb128: what about providing /usr/bin/eovlution-2.2 in a symlink?08:32
dholbachevolution08:32
seb128we can do that right08:32
seb128so we have 3 binaries *g*08:32
mdzseb128: I uploaded evolution with an evolution-2.2 -> evolution-2.4 symlink08:32
Amaranthdholbach: iow, the problem is smeg users who messed with the evolution menu entry :)08:32
seb128mdz: thanks08:33
mdzI hope it doesn't break any interesting upgrades08:33
janimoelmo, please sync wdm, override ubuntu108:33
vuntzseb128: only option is symlink, I suppose08:34
Amaranthalthough something with a different binary name for every release should probably be considered broken (if they don't make a symlink)08:34
seb128vuntz: we agree that we need alternatives for both the desktop and the binary?08:34
vuntzyes08:35
seb128k08:35
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seb128and after that they try arguing against providing an non-versionned version08:36
ograouch08:36
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Amaranthseb128: What, do they call it user error?08:36
zygahey all the kickers08:37
Amaranthholy shit, class started 7 minutes ago08:37
speellol08:37
Lathiathaha08:38
seb128mdz: I would rather close #1016408:39
seb128mdz: since the panel config uses evolution-mail which is neutral now and we ship the 2.2 variant for hoary updates ...08:40
mptTMM: In one sentence, what's the enhancements you'd like to implement?08:40
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\shmdz: I have to revert my opinion about amarok-1.3.3..it's much more stable then 1.3.1 will ever be08:45
mdzseb128: ok with me if you are happy with my horrible 08:45
mdzhack08:45
bddebian\sh: :)08:46
seb128mdz: there is no other way afaik, those are user datas stored to gconf, we can't update them from the package ...08:47
TMMmpt, X configuration stuff, a'la sax but working and implemented in pyglade (so it looks good) and fallback X server on vesa in 640x480 because right now people's setups get completly borked if they switch videocards08:47
silbsgoodnight guys, thanks for all your work08:47
TMMmpt, that fallback X server would be to run the aforementioned tool :)08:47
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\shbddebian: serious...this is really serious 08:48
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bddebian\sh: That :-)  Was a "good" :-)08:48
kikidonkdholbach: ping ?08:48
dholbachkikidonk: pong08:48
kikidonkha !08:48
dholbach:)08:48
kikidonkdo you think it would be wise to release another deskbar ?08:48
\shbddebian: oh :) sorry :)08:49
dholbachkikidonk: i'm not the maintainer anymore, Mithrandir just overwrote it, we're now the deskbar-applet team :)08:49
bddebianheh08:49
bddebiandholbach: Dan man, how many teams are you on? :-)08:49
bddebianErr s/Dan/Dang/08:49
dholbachbddebian: :)08:49
mptTMM: ok, that seems like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XConfigurationModification08:50
mdz\sh: so it seems that it was a mistake for me to allow 1.3 in the first place08:50
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mptTMM: So maybe you want to complete that spec, and I could help push it through the review process at Ubuntu Below Zero08:50
mpt(assuming you're not going yourself)08:50
\shmdz: I think "no", because the people wanted it, but I'm not in adventuring mode, so I'll let it test by others until tomorrow...whole kubuntu-devel team is on it ;)08:51
mdz\sh: I have tried to be flexible about kubuntu in order to accodomate the KDE community, but as long as they aren't stabilizing at the same time that we are, it isn't really going to work08:51
mdz\sh: we are now at a point where if you change it, and it's worse than what we already have, there is no time left to fix it08:52
\shmdz: so I think it would be better to ship 1.3.3 then 1.3.1 (serious now), because most of the patched stuff from riddell is now fixed in upstream and even the ipod generation is happy08:52
ogra\sh, whats wrong with 1.3.1 i only heard good things until now...08:52
mdz\sh: in other words, you have exactly one chance to get the absolute final version right.  first try.08:53
mdz\sh: and if it isn't right, then kubuntu 5.10 will suffer08:53
\shmdz: as I said, my decision will be made tomorrow lets say 12 UTC08:54
mdz\sh: tomorrow is too late08:54
\shok..give me at least 22 UTC08:54
mdzit is already too late08:54
TMMmpt, I'll start by finishing the spec then, I have been fixin Xfree and Xorg problems for years now here on freenode, and I think I've got a pretty good idea of stuff that goes wrong, and the stuff you don't get bugreports about because people give up (non working mouse, display frequency trouble etc) 08:54
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TMMmpt, thanks, I'll work from here08:54
TMMmpt, bbl :)08:55
mptTMM: no problem, and welcome08:55
mdz\sh: either upload it now, or don't.  but if it's wrong, I will not be able to help you.  I will be busy with the Ubuntu release08:55
\shmdz: 22 UTC that's 24:00 my time...I'll decide...and we can talk again, deal?08:55
mdz\sh: so you need to decide whether you trust amarok upstream enough to risk the Kubuntu release08:56
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mdz\sh: personally, i think that a botched release might be a good lesson for the community.  I'm not willing to risk Ubuntu to teach that lesson, but if you want to use Kubuntu for that...08:57
mdz\sh: I assume Riddell agrees with you?08:59
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fabbione\sh: sometimes a stable release implies to have software that is bugged. better bugged but predictable behaviour than a bugged unknown behaviour08:59
fabbione\sh: it happens with much more important pkgs than amarok all the time08:59
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fabbione\sh: see the kernel09:00
\shfabbione: believe me when I say, that I have really serious stomach-paine, and that I'm running every bloody 5 mins to toilet to pray to montezuma09:00
ograsegfault, building xscreensaver :)09:00
mdzKamion: do you have an ETA for those oem fixes?09:00
fabbione\sh: yes i understand.. what i am suggesting is a safe path..09:01
fabbione\sh: you know where you are now, you won't know where you will be in 5 minutes (other than the toilet i mean)09:01
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Kamionmdz: I think they're about as good as they're going to get now; uploading in a few minutes09:01
mdzKamion: my eyeball offer still stands09:02
Kamioncan you eyeball them from queue/accepted, or do you want a diff first?09:03
LoevborgIs there a good reason for installing locate (slocate) by default (even run daily)? (please tell me if this is not a good place to ask)09:03
mdzKamion: doesn't much matter, I suppose09:04
Kamionmdz: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/tmp/oem-config/09:08
mdzKamion: *whimper*09:12
Kamiontell me about it09:12
Kamionanything in particular that concerns you, or just the size?09:14
mdzKamion: why is the argument passed to translate_labels a dictionary, when translate_labels seems to only use it as a sequence?09:14
mbreitis it a known bug that about ubuntu is broken?09:14
mdzKamion: size09:14
mdzmbreit: it's a known _and fixed_ bug09:14
bddebianmbreit: I think so09:14
Kamion            widget.set_label(self.description(questions[label] ))09:15
Kamionmdz: ^--09:15
Kamionthe argument is a map from glade widget names to the debconf question names whose (translated) descriptions should be filled in09:15
mbreitoups... i think i did no dist-upgrade today... so sorry ;)09:16
mdzKamion: 'for label, question in questions' would be clearer, but ok09:16
Kamionoh, fair point, my python-fu is not as strong as it might be09:16
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Kamionmdz: hmm, that doesn't work for dictionaries09:17
KamionI think it would have to be a sequence of tuples for that to work09:17
mdzKamion: .values()09:18
\shmdz: even if i'm being fcking wrong...and I'll get all the amarok fans against me...1.3.1 will be shipped...and I don't mind now Riddell's veto in this...I'll rather backport 1.3.x from dapper to breezy then taking a risk...thx for your ear..last line of gibberish you will hear for breezy about the amarok issue...09:18
mdzer, .items() -> sequence of key, value09:18
mdz\sh: you have my full support09:18
fabbione\sh: wise choise09:19
Kamionmdz: ah yes, that works09:19
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mdzKamion: it looks correct and still scares the bejeezus out of me09:20
bddebian\sh: :'-(09:20
Kamionoem-config scares the bejeezus out of me without even trying09:20
Kamionbut that's just the mad debconf use09:20
fabbioneKamion: can't be THAT bed.. it managed to work for me.. 09:21
fabbiones/bed/bad09:21
Kamionum, yeah. dunno what to say. I've tested it as much as I can without building new images with the .debs; I can do that if you like, it'll just take a while09:21
Kamionactually, if I built official images now (with the shadow fix from earlier today), I could test it just by dpkg -i'ing new .debs09:21
Kamionmdz: (diff updated for the .items thing)09:22
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\shbddebian: you read my blog article about MOTU work? With the upload rights, you'll have responsibilities? This is what I meant...and as I was telling ogra...I didn't even know parts of my body, that there are  perspiratory glands  09:23
bddebian\sh: :-)09:23
mdzKamion: fire away09:23
mdzKamion: anything else pending before we do some CD builds?09:25
mdzseb128: still here?09:25
mdzseb128: you have one 5.10/PENDINGUPLOAD bug left09:26
Kamionmdz: debian-installer build following the OEM changes09:26
mdzseb128: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1233609:26
Kamion(which is prepared and ready)09:26
mdzseb128: now or never09:26
pittimdz: langpacks still need maybe 45 minutes until I fully reviewed and tested them09:26
mdzhmm, looks like it's a "fixed upstream" rather than "ready to upload"09:26
Kamionmdz: need new live filesystem image builds, too; I'll just check whether the amd64 image has been zeroed09:26
mdzupdated milestone09:26
Kamionamd64/live should fit with the next build09:27
ogramdz, i have a last minute translation fix for pt_BR in xscreensaver, just testbuilding... am i to late ? 09:27
Kamionmdz: nothing else on my list09:27
mdzogra: put it into rosetta instead09:27
mdzit can go in a post-release langpack update09:27
ogramdz, thats wher i got the fix from09:27
mdzrosetta data is exported to langpacks now09:27
mdzeither it's in pitti's new langpacks, or it will be in the next set09:27
mdzno need to touch xscreensaver09:28
ograoh, ok... so i dont need to touch the code at all... silly me09:28
pittiogra: I don't have xscreensaver pt_BR09:28
pittiogra: I had to kick many many po files due to some Rosetta export bugs09:28
pittithat's also why the langpack update was delayed so badly09:28
ograpitti, it was changed today09:28
pittiogra: ah, then no chance09:29
pittiogra: the tarball uses yesterday's data09:29
pittinext update then09:29
ograpt_BR was heavily broken all translations were the same sentence for all mgsstrings :)09:29
ograpitti, is there to be one before release ? 09:29
pittiogra: no, after releas09:30
ograoh, and rosetta always makes it iso-8859-1 ... 09:30
pittiogra: but I can manually put in a new file or kill the existing one09:30
ograsegfault, ^^^09:30
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ograhmm09:31
jdubhrm, firefox has started hanging really badly09:32
jdubgettimeofday({1129058862, 863849}, NULL) = 009:32
jdubselect(0, NULL, NULL, NULL, {0, 11000}) = 0 (Timeout)09:32
jdubgettimeofday({1129058862, 874813}, NULL) = 009:32
jdubselect(0, NULL, NULL, NULL, {0, 11000}) = 0 (Timeout)09:32
jdubgettimeofday({1129058862, 885821}, NULL) = 009:32
jdubselect(0, NULL, NULL, NULL, {0, 11000}) = 0 (Timeout)09:32
jdubgettimeofday({1129058862, 896815}, NULL) = 009:33
jdubselect(0, NULL, NULL, NULL, {0, 11000}) = 0 (Timeout)09:33
jdubgettimeofday({1129058862, 907786}, NULL) = 009:33
jdubselect(0, NULL, NULL, NULL, {0, 11000}) = 0 (Timeout)09:33
jdub09:33
ograuuh, whats that ? 09:33
jdubstrace -p $(pidof firefox-bin)09:33
fabbioneit's polling on a FD that timeouts and firefox probably doesn't check for that condition09:33
fabbione= infinite loop09:33
jdubnice09:35
jdubit's happened 3 times in the last few hours09:35
j^with flash animations i saw that quite often lately09:35
j^but also the totemplugin(is that installed by default?)09:36
mdzjdub: google video's .swf does something like that to the flash plugin when I close its tab sometimes09:38
jdubhrm, was opening a new tab09:38
mdzKamion: I've drafted a https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyTestPlan#preview ; feedback and edits welcome09:39
Kamionmdz: oh, only other thing I know about is that initramfs-tools breaks with XFS /boot on powerpc09:39
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KamionI doubt we'll have time to fix that, but dedicating somebody's time to investigating it would be good, if only for release notes09:40
mdzKamion: not a showstopper by any means as far as I'm concerned09:40
mdzKamion: definitely release notes caveat material though09:40
fabbioneoh crap09:40
fabbioneDiziet: ping???09:40
mdzfabbione: don't say something like that during release prep unless you really mean it ;-)09:41
mdzmy poor nerves09:41
ograi guess he means it... ?09:41
fabbionemdz: i meant it.. he did drop something on gs-gpl that made it break on sparc.. and crap at one day from release is the suck..09:41
fabbionedunno what he changed.. but it hits an ICE on gcc09:41
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mdzfabbione: he mostly just restored older, dropped changes.09:42
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mdzfabbione: if gs-gpl is out of date on sparc, that is not the end of the world09:42
fabbionemdz: no but it sucks that yet again for one package i can't make the full release09:43
mdzogra: I prefer the US equivalent, bourbon09:43
fabbioneand that's really annoying for a last minute fuckage 09:43
mdzfabbione: gs-gpl is not even part of the default install09:43
ogramdz, lets have some at UBZ... :)09:43
fabbionemdz: i know.. it's all of main that matters after one year of effort :/09:43
fabbionebah09:44
fabbioneok09:44
fabbionewe will ROCK dapper!09:44
ograyay09:44
mdzfabbione: it isn't too late if you can fix it immediately ;we need another cron.daily anyway09:44
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Kamionbut will take a burn/install cycle before I can test these .debs09:46
fabbionemdz: checking09:46
mdzogra: I brought some fine bourbon to debconf5, perhaps I can find some for UBZ as well09:46
ograyeah... i'm rather the scotch type, but i gues i just havent had the right bourbon yet ;)09:46
mdzogra: I enjoy scotch as well, but there is no point in me bringing scotch from the us which is imported from scotland ;-)09:47
Kamionmdz: oh, one other thing; we have some space on the install CD now as a result of changes made to make the live CD fit. Do we want to put some language packs in?09:47
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ogramdz, *G*09:47
mdzKamion: how much?09:47
Kamionhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/09:47
mdzogra: mjg59 and stargirl both brought excellent scotch to debconf509:48
Kamion27MB, 47MB, 37MB09:48
ogradamned, i need to go next time...09:48
Kamionunexpectedly quite a bit, in fact09:48
mdzKamion: whoa, amd64 > powerpc now?09:48
Kamionyes09:48
mdzpitti: what langpacks could we fit in that space?09:48
Kamionhas been for a fair while, I think09:48
Kamionthere's about 10MB free on the i386 and powerpc live CDs09:48
maewazzup.09:49
pittimdz: I'd wait with the precise calculation until the new packs are in09:49
mdzlamont/infinity: around?09:49
Kamionnew filesystems are building for amd64, which should get it under, but I don't think it'll be by much09:49
mdzpitti: ETA still ~30m?09:50
lamontmdz: ack09:50
pittimdz: yes09:50
mdzlamont: can you confirm that release architectures are up-to-date?09:50
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mdzKamion: does that build have the fixed evolution x3?09:52
lamontmdz: the only DC architecture currently building anything is ia609:52
lamont409:52
lamont(yes)09:52
mdzKamion: not that it matters for purposes of the bug, but for up-to-dateness09:52
mdzlamont: thanks09:52
Kamionmdz: no09:52
lamontmdz: btw, would be nice to let binary uploads for the other 3 finish before making breezy be read-only09:53
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seb128mdz: sorry I was away for dinner09:54
seb128mdz: no, nothing pending from me09:54
mdzseb128: ok, it was clear from reading the bug that it was not for 5.1009:54
seb128yeah09:54
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fabbionemdz: 5 minutes max and i should know if it works or not (test building all over)09:55
mvomdz: I have a pending issue with launchpad-integration that I would like to upload very soon09:56
segfaultogra: sorry, My connection sucks09:57
ograsegfault, po files are completely handled by langpacks now...09:57
ograsegfault, sorry, didnt know that...09:57
segfaultogra: no prob.. should be one langpack release today, right?09:58
ograsegfault, and the most recent translations that go into the langpack are from yesterday... :/09:58
Kamionsegfault: it'll get fixed in a langpack update after release; don't stress about it now09:58
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thesaltydogseb128, just to inform you that baobab now has an entry in gnome-bugzilla. Just in case you need, move bugs to there.10:01
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fabbionemdz: permission to upload gs-gpl. it's a no op for all arches. sparc switches to gcc-3.410:02
fabbionetest builded on amd64/i38610:02
Kamionhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/report.html10:02
Kamionhmm, odd10:02
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fabbionemdz: up to you if you want to reject it.. i will understand10:04
mdzfabbione: fine with me10:04
mdzit's not on the CD10:04
fabbioneo10:04
fabbionek10:04
fabbionei care relatively 0 about CD given apt borkage on deb file://10:04
Kamionogra: (this xscreensaver fix *is* in a .po file, not in a .desktop file, right?)10:05
ograyep10:05
Kamionok10:05
pittimdz: ok, this was a lot of manual surgery and hacking, but the packs look good now10:05
RiddellKamion: the contents of the kubuntu live CDs havn't changed in some days, is it possible to get them rebuilt? (I know you don't control the whole process there but I'm not sure who does)10:05
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mdzKamion: curious10:05
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mdzRiddell: that's not a good sign; usually that means it's been failing10:06
mdzunless lamont/infinity disabled the automatic builds10:06
mdzwhich would be entirely appropriate10:06
KamionRiddell: that's strange; there have been successful automatic Kubuntu live filesystem builds for the last several days on all architectures10:06
Kamionautomatic daily d-i builds have been disabled, but not the live filesystem builds10:07
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seb128thesaltydog: thanks10:07
thesaltydogseb128, np10:07
pittimdz: ok to fire langpacks?10:07
Kamionah, the kubuntu daily-live CD builds haven't happened10:07
mdzpitti: go10:07
lamontmdz: not disabled10:07
Kamionhttp://www.theopencd.org/winfoss/kubuntu/Kubuntu-WinFOSS-5.10.tgz:10:07
Kamion06:32:09 ERROR 404: Not Found.10:07
Kamionhno73: ?10:07
mdzlamont: could you disable then, please?10:07
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segfault_ogra: oops, continuing10:08
Kamionah, my typo10:08
segfault_ogra: can you at least fix the desktop entry?10:08
Kamionhno73: never mind10:08
lamontppc built kubuntu-live fs ~16 hours ago10:08
Kamionlamont: iz my fault, not yours10:08
lamontah, ok10:08
segfault_ogra: the translated entry is UTF8 while the desktop entry is ISO10:08
ograsegfault, yes, because th po file is iso10:09
lamontmdz: livecd fs build for all 3 images getting disabled now.10:09
ograthe new one i got from rosetta was again iso10:09
KamionRiddell: fixed, sorry about that10:09
lamontdisabled.10:09
mdzlamont: thanks10:10
RiddellKamion: can you set off a new build now?10:10
lamontKamion: please remember to do a "BuildLiveCD base" for the final images, which will need to get published somewhere and pointed to by the LiveCDCustomization page10:10
KamionRiddell: fresh build running now10:10
RiddellKamion: excellent, thanks10:10
Kamionlamont: damn, yeah, I really need to sort that out on cdimage10:10
hno73Kamion: OK, cool. I'm around if there are issues though10:10
=== Kamion moves it to a more prominent position in his todo list
Kamionhno73: thanks10:11
lamont635814893 is the magic am64-live number, btw.10:11
segfault_ogra: thats strange10:11
segfault_ogra: oops, weird.10:12
segfault_i did entirely in UTF810:12
Kamionlamont: doesn't seem to have shrunk at all?10:12
lamont100KB or so10:12
Kamionlamont: that's ridiculous; we took 2.5MB out of the contents10:12
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mdzKamion: not entirely surprising for amd64, since it doesn't get zeroed10:13
Kamionmdz: lamont explicitly zeroed it, apparently10:13
lamontmdz: that was after zeroing10:13
segfault_ogra_: how can we fix that?10:13
mdzoh10:13
lamontor at least after what we assert is zeroing...10:14
lamontKamion: want me to do another build explicitly nuking it to see if it makes a diff?10:14
Kamion20051011, 20051011.1, and 20051011.4 are all the same size within a megabyte, despite the first having python2.4-opengl and the other two not, and the last one being zeroed10:14
Kamionlamont: yes please10:14
lamontand then move the old old- back into place?10:14
lamontok10:14
Kamiononly move the old old- back into place if it doesn't make a difference ...10:14
ograsegfault_, it will be fixed with the next langpack update... soon after release i cant do much, the .desktop strings are generated10:14
Kamionsegfault_: .desktop files are not in langpacks10:15
Kamionogra: ^--10:15
Kamion(oopS)10:15
ograhmm10:15
lamontif we use this now-in-progress image, it'll be rsync-unfriendly10:15
ograthe .desktop file is empty... i'll check10:15
Kamionthat's fine, as long as it's now and not release day10:15
mdzmvo: talk to me about this launchpad-integration upload10:15
mvomdz: the problem is that the current version of lpi triggers a segfault in gnome-terminal (#17309)10:16
segfault_ogra: thanks10:16
mvomdz: the old version (that we had in -rc) gives ugly warnings but doesn't trigger the bug and gnome-terminal works fine10:16
mvomdz: the segfault dosn't happen a lot and is hard to reproduce but it happens for people (depending on their working pattern ~1-3 times a day)10:17
mdzmvo: diff?10:17
mvomdz: I don't think it's a bug in the lpi change but a different problem that is triggered by the change10:17
mvomdz: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/launchpad-integration_0.0patch26+mvo20-0ubuntu2.debdiff10:17
mdzI haven't had it crash at all10:17
zygamvo: might be related to this crash10:18
mdzmvo: ok, approved, but this means we need to do another set of livefs builds10:18
zygamvo: are menu items populated in a async fashion?10:18
mdzmvo: I hope you are staying around to help test them ;-)10:18
lamontKamion: for purposes of the exercise, I'll assume that >500KB is "different"10:18
mvomdz: try opening a lot of gnome-terminals (with CTRL-SHIFT-N). you need around ~50. then close them and open them again10:18
zygamvo: (in gnome-terminal)10:18
mvomdz: promised10:18
pittimdz: don't we need another build anyway to fit more langpacks?10:18
mvozyga: I don't think so, why?10:19
Kamionlamont: to make it fit, I need at least two megabytes10:19
mdzpitti: I was only planning to add them to the install CD10:19
mdzpitti: adding them to live requires a metapackage update10:19
pittimdz: ok10:19
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zygamvo: type something that looks like a link and right-click on it repetadly10:19
lamontKamion: ok10:19
mdzpitti: do you have a list?10:19
zygaevery 10 clicks or so I can get stuff like duplicated 'open this link' items10:20
pittimdz: I can generate one10:20
zygaor items in random order10:20
pittimdz: all langpacks uploaded now10:20
lamontelmo: ping10:20
mvomdz: sorry for the trouble (and the late upload). I hoped until now to find the real cause of the problem so that it can be fixed properly (instead of just not triggering it)10:20
mvo:/10:20
mvozyga: -> #ubuntu-desktop?10:21
pittimdz: how much space do we have?10:21
Kamionpitti: 20:48 < Kamion> 27MB, 47MB, 37MB10:21
Kamionamd64, i386, powerpc respectively10:21
Kamionpitti: I'd appreciate it if you could stay 5MB or so clear of the limit, to avoid last-minute problems10:21
pittiok, I can make a list based on current (not new) langpacks10:21
pittithe new packs are not considerably bigger, so I just leave some safety margin10:22
Kamionadd that safety margin to 5MB :-)10:22
pittiright, of course10:22
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pittiso I'll leave 7 MB?10:22
Kamionshould be fine10:23
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pittiso that is nice: 20, 40, 30 MB :-)10:23
fabbionejdub: ping?10:23
elmolamont: ?10:25
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mdzpitti: finished?10:27
mdzpitti: (uploading)10:27
pittimdz: yes; 22:20 <pitti> mdz: all langpacks uploaded now10:27
pittimdz: not sure whether all of them are in accepted already, though (but should)10:27
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elmogrr10:28
elmoNEW packages _now_? :P10:28
mdzpitti: there's nothing left in unchecked, and I've processed everything from accepted10:28
elmoI assume these want to go into main?10:28
pittigreat10:28
mdzpitti: -fo is new, eh?10:28
KamionRiddell: you have new kubuntu/daily-live builds10:29
pittimdz: oh, hm, entirely possible10:29
Riddelland i386 is even undersized10:29
pittimdz: drop it if it creates trouble10:29
Riddellthanks Kamion 10:29
mdzelmo: (yes)10:29
mdzpitti: seed it10:29
mdzKamion,Riddell: kubuntu-live wants to move into universe; bad seed merge?10:30
lamontelmo: nm10:30
pittielmo, mdz: seeded10:31
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Kamionmdz: oh, yeah, my fault, fixing10:31
pittielmo, mdz: oops, wait, commit failed; gimme 1 minute10:31
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pittielmo, mdz: -fo committed10:32
mdzpitti: and the new packs for the install CD?10:32
ogramdz, looks like there are some people upset with the broken pt_BR tanslation (see -devel and the bug)... Kamion said .desktop files are not handled by .po files and i have the fix ready for upload here...10:34
ogra(tesbuilt and tired)10:34
pittimdz: shall I commit the seed changes directly? or do you wnat to take a look at the diff?10:35
mdzogra: you said a few minutes ago that this was not a .desktop file10:35
mdzpitti: go ahead10:35
mdzogra: which bug?10:36
ogramdz, the translation stuff for that .desktop file is in the po10:36
ogra1644810:36
Kamionoh, what's wrong with the timezone screen now10:36
ogramdz, i wasnt aware that .desktop files are not handled by langpacks... the .desktop file in the source is empty (us only) inded 10:37
mdzogra: upload it; if we need to build a new livefs anyway we will roll it in, otherwise target breezy-updates10:37
ograok10:38
mdzogra: the situation with .desktop files is documented on the release schedule and has been for some time10:38
ogramdz, i'll read it immediately10:38
mdzI also mentioned it in my release status update to -devel when the freeze date arrived10:38
mdzKamion: are the new ubuntu livefs builds ready?10:40
Kamionmdz: yes10:41
Kamionmdz: but probably not amd6410:41
mdzKamion: amd64 will need a new one, or has one already in progress?10:41
Kamionmdz: in progress, lamont's doing it10:42
mdzunless it's far along, we might as well redo all 3 and get xscreensaver and launchpad-integration in10:43
Kamionok, but I want to see the outcome of lamont's build for size purposes10:43
Kamionoem-config etc. uploads coming up now; tested, and they worked with one small modification (reloading /var/lib/dpkg/info/base-config.templates because something seems to be trashing the translations from it in the templatedb, and I'm buggered if I'm going to track that down now)10:44
FlorobSorry to bother you all with a silly user question, but nobody else seems to know: Is there any specific reason, why the caligula themes are not packaged for breezy, or is it just lack of time, or do I miss something obvious.10:45
pittimdz, Kamion: I added all langpacks to amd64 and i386, they don't even fill the CD up; powerpc is committed, too10:45
mdzpitti: excellent10:46
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pittimdz: the complete lack of langpacks on the live CDs is more worrying, but I guess it's too late for that10:49
Kamionmdz: what about this xkeyboard-config thing in accepted? daniels checked it with a number of people, it apparently works on all arches, fixes a major bug, but I didn't want to touch the actual approval myself10:50
mdzpitti: how much could we fit?10:50
mdzKamion: not touching it10:50
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mdzno bug refs in the .changes, diff is non-obvious10:50
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mdztoo late10:50
Kamion+    $threelevellayouts, although this is only cosmetic (closes: Ubuntu#13527).10:51
mdzuploads at this stage are subject to the same criteria that breezy-updates will be10:51
Kamion(point of information)10:51
mdzso if it's safe for now, it'd be just as good after release10:51
Kamionoh, the bug number was typoed10:51
pittimdz: none to amd64 apparently, four big ones to i386 and ppc10:51
Kamionno, I'm just looking in the wrong place10:51
Kamion+    $threelevellayouts, although this is only cosmetic (closes: Ubuntu#15327).10:51
Kamionargh, and *that* was typoed too10:52
mdzKamion: it was obviously hurried10:52
Kamion#15372 was the number10:52
mdzxkb is a nightmare and I want no part of it10:52
seb128daniels is pinging people all around the place for some days10:52
seb128and those changes seem to fix the weird issues reported on GNOME and duped according to bugzilla feedback10:53
mdzseb128: we are releasing now10:53
seb128(not that I'm pushing them)10:53
seb128mdz: yeah, I agree that's quite late ... we will get them with -update?10:53
mdzand there are a bunch of other changes in there as well10:53
mdzseb128: not enough information for me to predict that10:54
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fabbionei guess it's going to be a long long night10:54
\shwell...I really admire mdz ... no joke10:54
mdzseb128: if we can get a minimal, well-tested upload prepared, I don't see why not10:54
mdzseb128: it's not critical at install time, right?10:55
ogra\sh, we all do10:55
pittimdz: ok, let's not touch the live images to have some safety margin for new uploads and the growing new langpacks10:55
\shI think gentoo will say: come on...let's get every untested patch get in...actually it's bleeding egde10:55
seb128mdz: no10:55
Kamionmdz: I'll approve the oem-config stuff now10:55
mdzKamion: ok10:55
Kamionthen we can get debian-installer built, and then get started on images10:55
mdzKamion: gparted is also ->dapper btw10:55
pittimdz: is it reasonable to sleep now to start the mega-test in about 8 hours? or is it vital to test them ASAP and crash afterwards?10:56
Kamionmdz: noted10:56
fabbioneKamion: any of these 3 udebs will land in the initrd?10:56
Kamion(I thought it probably was)10:56
Kamionfabbione: yes10:56
Kamionfabbione: 21:55 < Kamion> then we can get debian-installer built, and then get started on images10:56
\shogra: no...seriously this guy at ISH? and no changerequest will be fulfilled ;)10:56
mdzpitti: if you are tired, sleep10:56
fabbioneKamion: ok.. 10:56
Kamionfabbione: only kbd-chooser is arch: any10:56
fabbioneKamion: roger10:57
mdzpitti: save it for tomorrow night ;-)10:57
pittimdz: btw, I already tested all images today (I thought it made more sense to be able to actually fix things); no big issues10:59
pittimdz: powerpc live did not shut down totally cleanly for me, but it works for other people11:00
Kamionmdz: I'm uploading the new d-i, but please don't approve it just yet11:00
mdzKamion: all yours11:00
mdzpitti: what was the issue?11:00
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pittiok, I'm dizzy and tired anyway, I'll crash now and get up early, unless there is some catastrophy11:01
mdzpitti: good night11:01
pittimdz: after ejecting the CD it did not ask for pressing Enter11:01
mdzpitti: sometimes on powerpc there seems to be a long delay there, but it eventually comes up11:01
pittimdz: and didn't react to it, but the autoreboot after 30 seconds, or the ctrl+apple+power worked fine11:01
dholbachnight pitti11:01
seb128elmo: kbd sync please11:01
seb128"night pitti11:01
pittimdz: no blocker IMHO11:02
mdzthere is no autoreboot that I know of11:02
\shpitti: I#m dizzy, too...but heavy dizzy11:02
fabbione\sh: get some reast11:02
pittimdz: ok, then it was just the delayed reaction to my enter press, I guess11:02
fabbionerest even11:02
mdzpitti: yes, enter seems to work even when the message does not display quickly11:02
fabbione\sh: we will need everybodys help tomorrow to test the images11:02
pittimdz: I leave my mobile on in case there is some trouble with langpacks11:02
mdz\sh: drink water and sleep11:03
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pittigood night, cu tomorrow11:03
\shmdz: too late..11:03
ogramdz, he had to much beer already i suppose :)11:03
fabbione\sh: close IRC, take a break and relax11:03
pittilangpack buildd output looks fine :-)11:03
\shogra: don't suppose11:04
ograheh11:04
\shi had a hard day at work...and forget it..going to bed...good night11:04
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ogra\sh, ciao11:05
dholbachnight \sh11:05
\shmdz: appreciate your work...really...I would like to see u as project manager in our company...11:05
ogralol11:05
mdz\sh: thanks, but I think I have enough work for now ;-)11:05
ogra\sh, what a loss for the world having mdz locked in into ISH11:06
mdzwhat is ISH?11:06
ograwww.ish.de11:06
dholbacha telco/tv company11:06
HWolf\sh, we all kind of apprecaite your work too. :)11:06
mvonight \sh 11:06
HWolfbut without typing errors, really. :)11:06
ogramdz, my former company... \sh is one of my former colleagues :)11:07
\shHWolf: thx :) but I'm just another guy11:07
mdzogra: oh, I didn't realize11:07
ogramdz, and actually look at mvo's ip ;)11:07
HWolf\sh, sure, but doing a lot of work. :)11:07
mdztelcos can be difficult places to work11:07
fabbionethe telco were i was working before, just crossed 50GB/sec of customer traffic today11:08
\shmdz: I'm a stoopid ops guy...who kicks only non working servers and appliences11:08
\shfabbione: that's nothing11:08
fabbione\sh: only customers.. without services and anything else.. the real traffic is way higher :)11:09
ografabbione, ISH has 4.5 mio customers...11:09
fabbioneogra: ISH is not a Tier-111:10
fabbioneanyway11:10
ogranope, they are a cable company that also provides voip and internet11:10
fabbionesorry i did drag you offtopic11:10
\shfabbione: yeah for us, too :) only 30 analog tv streams..and finally 20 transport streams with aehm...20x20 dtv streams..fcking scary when I'm rebooting the scramblers for p0rn stuff11:11
\shfabbione: u would have fun :)11:11
fabbione\sh: get a sleep.. on the unscrambled p0rn ;)11:11
\shah...btw11:12
fabbione\sh: -> GO TO SLEEP11:13
mdzlamont: is there a reasonable way for me to check up-to-dateness for myself, using stuff in http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/ perhaps?11:13
\shfabbione: YES SIR ;)11:13
fabbione\sh: you need some rest and we need you fresh tomorrow11:13
\shfabbione: well..no prob...I'll have to work at 4 UTC11:13
\shquit11:14
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mdzKamion: is the winfoss issue resolved, or do we need hno73?11:18
mdzI have his phone number somewhere if so11:18
hno73mdz: I'm here11:19
hno73mdz: I made new uploads today, so I think it's resolved11:19
hno73if not let me know11:20
Riddellwhat's the winfoss issue and does it affect kubuntu?11:21
hno73Riddell: 'too much of it'11:23
hno73Riddell: AFAICT your ADM image still looks rather big ...11:23
mdzhno73: reading the log, yes, it looks like Kamion worked out what was wrong and we're OK11:23
hno73ok11:23
mdzhno73: he was getting a 404 trying to get a tarball I think, but I guess the URL was wrong or similar11:23
hno73Riddell: AMD64 even11:23
hno73The URL might be wrong in the bugzilla entry11:24
mdzRiddell: yep, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/breezy-install-amd64.OVERSIZED11:24
mdzRiddell: looks like you have some trimming to do, if that's up-to-date11:24
Riddellmdz: yep, top of my TODO list after testing the live CDs11:25
hno73mdz: It's all sitting nicely here: http://www.theopencd.org/winfoss/11:25
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Kamionmdz: it's resolved for Ubuntu, AFAIK11:27
Kamionlamont's latest build is MUCH smaller11:27
Kamionlike, 81MB smaller11:28
RiddellKamion: is kubuntu using the image at http://www.theopencd.org/winfoss/ ?11:28
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Kamionwe could probably go back to using the i386 build on amd64 for Ubuntu, in fact11:28
KamionRiddell: yes, as I said before11:28
Kamion                                                                echo http://www.theopencd.org/winfoss/kubuntu/current/Kubuntu-WinFOSS-5.10.tgz11:28
Kamion                                                                echo http://www.theopencd.org/winfoss/kubuntu-AMD/current/Kubuntu-WinFOSS-5.10-AMD.tgz11:28
RiddellKamion: great11:28
fabbioneok guys11:29
mdzKamion: that's, err, worryingly smaller11:29
fabbionei am off to sleep11:29
Kamionmdz: it's not much bigger than the i386 image, though11:29
fabbionemdz/Kamion: i have my mobile phone with me if something shows up11:29
mdzKamion: where did 81M come from?11:29
Kamionlamont: have you by any chance only been e2fs-zero.py'ing the amd64 image for some time, not removing the old- cloop?11:29
mdzfabbione: ok, good night11:29
fabbioneotherwise i will be back in 6 or less11:29
fabbionenight11:29
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Kamionhno73: yeah, the URL was wrong in bugzilla, but it's fixed in cdimage now11:30
hno73cool11:31
Kamionlamont: also, could you take the thing you just did to the Ubuntu amd64 image and do it to Kubuntu amd64 as well, please?11:31
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Kamionmdz: I think we've just been using sladen's zeroing script for a while, and not realising that it hadn't in fact been working properly11:32
Kamionso, with 66MB difference between the WinFOSS tarballs (as of last download), 81MB decrease in cloop size, and amd64 only being 8MB over, I think we can switch amd64 back to the tarball including OOo211:34
Kamionmdz: (FWIW, my mobile's AWOL at the moment; use my landline on Offices if you need to call)11:35
hno73Kamion: or I can make an AMD tarball like the i386 one, but sans gaim, saving ~7MB11:36
Kamionhno73: it appears that the i386 tarball will now fit on the amd64 live CD, though11:37
hno73Kamion: cool, all the better11:38
Kamionso if we're not going to be adding more langpacks to the live CDs (mdz?) then we might as well use the space for WinFOSS11:38
lamontKamion: 55060166511:38
lamontwow.  sladen's code is b0rked.11:38
Kamionlamont: how long have we been relying on sladen's code for amd64 reduction?11:38
lamontKamion: the solution is to reset11:38
Kamion(by hand or otherwise)11:38
lamontKamion: for my manual reductions11:38
lamontia64 has been doing it automatically, none of the others have11:39
Kamionlamont: put another way, when did you last manually reset, roughly?11:39
lamontKamion: breezy never reset, other than when I ran sladen's code 2-3 weeks ago11:39
Kamionmdz: I think that explains it11:39
lamont(64-bit arch that is...32 is always)11:39
Kamionlamont: ok, definitely please do that for amd64 then11:40
Kamionlamont: er, for Kubuntu I mean11:40
lamontkubuntu to happen, ubuntu already happened.11:40
Kamionyep11:40
lamontkubuntu to happen, ubuntu already happened.11:40
lamontga11:40
lamontubuntu already done11:40
lamontactually, next kubuntu (and base) loads on ubuntu will already get fresh fsimages.11:41
ajmitchmorning11:41
lamontKamion: unless you say "no", I'm going to nuke all 3 on ia64 and start a fresh build of all 311:41
Kamionlamont: fine by me11:41
lamontok11:41
Kamionhno73: I'll keep using the special amd64 tarball on Kubuntu for the meantime11:42
Kamionas it's tighter on space11:42
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hno73Kamion: OK, will you need me for urgent stuff into the night or can I retire :)11:43
lamontand on that note, must go away for a few hours... back online in approx 7 hours give or take....11:43
lamontlast call11:43
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RiddellKamion: does that mean I can expect new kubuntu amd64 live CD sometime soon?  I'm a little lost11:45
Kamion21:56 < mdz> pitti: if you are tired, sleep11:46
Kamion21:57 < mdz> pitti: save it for tomorrow night ;-)11:46
Kamionhno73: that goes for you too, I think :)11:46
hno73Kamion: oki :)11:46
lamontKamion: ia64 building all 3, I launched no amd64 build besides that test-now-really-it amd64 ubunut11:46
Kamionlamont: I will start Kubuntu amd64 now, then11:46
Kamionactually, Kubuntu amd64/i386/powerpc11:47
lamontand remember base :-)11:47
lamont(not that we much care - if ubuntu builds, base will)11:47
Kamionyep11:47
lamontlater then11:47
KamionRiddell: in progress, yes11:48
Kamionfabbione: be careful to upload kbd-chooser before building debian-installer11:50
KamionI'm assuming fabbione doesn't autosign11:50
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segfaultogra: thanks! :-)11:51
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segfaultogra: but did you get that po from Rosetta? the diff seems completely different from what i did. But there's no encoding problems, it's ok for breezy.11:52
segfault:)11:53
ograsegfault, thats the rosetta po file, converted to utf-8 and the encoding string fixed11:53
ograi have no idea how to tell rosetta to give it to me as utf-8 sadly...11:54
segfaultfile pt_BR.po11:54
segfaultpt_BR.po: UTF-8 Unicode PO (gettext message catalogue) text11:54
Kamionthat's what msgconv's for11:54
segfaulti sent it as utf8, dunno what happened11:54
mdzKamion: might as well go for a fuller winfoss bundle, yeah11:55
KamionI think Rosetta always outputs in the encoding that's published in the archive for that .po file if it can11:55
Kamionit probably should have a fallback case for if the text isn't fully representable in that encoding11:55
HiddenWolfguys, current dist-upgrade...12:00
HiddenWolf29 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.12:00
HiddenWolfNeed to get 32.7MB of archives.12:00
HiddenWolfAfter unpacking 26.8MB disk space will be freed.12:00
HiddenWolf26mb will be _freed_ ?12:00
zygaHiddenWolf: what was updated?12:01
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