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| dilinger | fabbione: ping | 03:19 |
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| fabbione | dilinger: pong? | 07:19 |
| fabbione | let me guess | 07:21 |
| fabbione | sunfire is down | 07:21 |
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| zul | morning | 02:59 |
| fabbione | hey zul | 03:00 |
| chmj | any know problems with hci_usb on powerpc ? | 03:12 |
| zul | dont know...i dont use powerpc :) | 03:31 |
| zul | its yucky ;) | 03:31 |
| chmj | seem to be broken since -9.21 | 03:36 |
| chmj | or something | 03:36 |
| fabbione | nope | 03:38 |
| fabbione | no changes to USB in ages | 03:38 |
| dilinger | ugh | 04:04 |
| dilinger | yea, looks like the sunfire crashed | 04:05 |
| fabbione | dilinger: yes.. i saw that :) | 04:07 |
| fabbione | can you restart it before you vanish? | 04:07 |
| dilinger | yep | 04:07 |
| fabbione | i just need to be sure that cron doesn't run at 20/50 before i can login again | 04:07 |
| fabbione | otehrwise it will restart the buildd in a mess | 04:08 |
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| fabbione | no way to look at console? | 04:12 |
| dilinger | ah, it's pingable | 04:13 |
| dilinger | there is, but it means plugging stuff in. i wanted to avoid it if possible :) | 04:13 |
| dilinger | alright, it's back up | 04:13 |
| fabbione | same ip? | 04:17 |
| dilinger | yea | 04:18 |
| dilinger | .130 | 04:18 |
| fabbione | yeah | 04:18 |
| fabbione | i am in | 04:18 |
| fabbione | right in time to stop cron :) | 04:18 |
| fabbione | thanks dude | 04:18 |
| lamont | hppa 89.53% 5582 of 6235 | 04:23 |
| lamont | sparc 89.01% 5589 of 6279 | 04:23 |
| lamont | sparc's almost caught up. dammit | 04:23 |
| lamont | fabbione: of course, it helps that you can build kde | 04:23 |
| fabbione | lamont: heheh | 04:23 |
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| lamont | on hppa, of course. | 04:24 |
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| fabbione | dilinger: later | 04:26 |
| fabbione | lamont: well it's not that good as it looks like.. sparc install CD doesn't work thanks to apt-get being segfaulorama on file:// url | 04:26 |
| fabbione | and other annoying problems | 04:27 |
| fabbione | X is rarely autoconfigured | 04:27 |
| lamont | hppa X has not autoconfigured yet, in my experience | 04:28 |
| lamont | and network doesn't seem to do hotplug, etc. | 04:28 |
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| fabbione | lamont: yeah we have a lot of glitches.. we will get them right for dapper.. specially now that David Miller is my side :P | 04:29 |
| lamont | heh | 04:30 |
| makx | x autoconf is nice. | 04:48 |
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| joh | Hmm, what does a "kernel access of bad area, sig: 11 [#1] " OOPS indicate? I get this with the madwifi modules in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-9-powerpc 2.6.12.4-8 and my wifi card :\ | 05:23 |
| joh | A segfault from the kernel module? | 05:23 |
| fabbione | joh: yes it's an OOPS | 05:32 |
| joh | fabbione: how can I debug this further? you see, a friend of mine has tried my card on the same type of computer with the same version of linux-restricted-modules, where he doesn't experience any problems like that. | 05:35 |
| fabbione | joh: there can several different reasons why it dies and there is no way to debug it without the code | 05:36 |
| joh | fabbione: well, there can't be any problems with the madwifi modules, as the same ones work on a different computer... | 05:37 |
| joh | fabbione: which other reasons could it be? | 05:37 |
| joh | fabbione: I just the problem is not in the hardware :\ | 05:38 |
| fabbione | joh: that's whay you assume :) it can be everything.. also.. the hw might look the same and it's not.. like a different revision in a component or stuff like that | 05:38 |
| fabbione | that might trigger the module to do something different and therefor crash on one and work on the other | 05:38 |
| fabbione | again.. no code.. no way to know | 05:38 |
| joh | fabbione: well, that would be strange as we bought the two computers at the same time and they came from the same shipment from apple :P | 05:39 |
| joh | fabbione: what's strange is that it worked perfectly before | 05:39 |
| joh | fabbione: I don't remember which version of linux-restricted-modules it worked on though... | 05:40 |
| fabbione | joh: same shippement means nothing.. you have no prove they are the same | 05:40 |
| joh | fabbione: true | 05:40 |
| fabbione | there is nothing you can do | 05:40 |
| fabbione | there is no code | 05:40 |
| joh | unless I start debugging madwifi | 05:40 |
| fabbione | if it doesn't work you can only buy a wifi cards for which there is support in the real kernel | 05:40 |
| fabbione | joh: you don't have the code for madwifi :) the binary blob can/might/is the culprit | 05:41 |
| fabbione | if the problem is there you are doomed | 05:41 |
| joh | fabbione: oh :\ right | 05:41 |
| fabbione | and the problem might be everywhere really.. | 05:42 |
| joh | fabbione: the problem might not be there though... I look at the stack trace and trace the error in the part of the code in madwifi which is opensouce... | 05:42 |
| fabbione | you load the binary blob that fucks up a kernel pointer | 05:42 |
| fabbione | on one machine is it is not used (no crash) | 05:42 |
| fabbione | on the other it is (boom) | 05:42 |
| joh | define 'everywhere'... | 05:43 |
| fabbione | perhaps you see something else oopsing | 05:43 |
| fabbione | once you load a binary blob of anykind | 05:43 |
| fabbione | the kernel OOPS can't be trusted anymore | 05:43 |
| joh | Yeah | 05:43 |
| fabbione | so you might see an OOPs in madwifi | 05:44 |
| joh | But there were a stack trace with debugging symbols in the kernel logs. Maybe it's possible to debug it from there? | 05:44 |
| fabbione | when perhaps is foobar-usb that's crashing | 05:44 |
| joh | (the OOPS occured when doing iwlist scan) | 05:44 |
| fabbione | joh: that OOPS information are not reliable | 05:44 |
| fabbione | that's what i am telling you | 05:44 |
| joh | fabbione: it's not reliable because it might come from the binary blob? | 05:45 |
| fabbione | it is not reliable because you have no idea what the binary blob is doing | 05:45 |
| fabbione | it might as well mangle kernel pointers | 05:45 |
| fabbione | and since you don't know that | 05:45 |
| fabbione | there is a chain reaction of events of which you have no control | 05:45 |
| joh | but isn't madwifi divided into two parts, one proprietary binary blob and one opensource? | 05:46 |
| fabbione | yes and? | 05:46 |
| joh | if the error occurs in the opensource part before it actually communicates with the binary blob... | 05:47 |
| fabbione | you are not listening to what i say | 05:47 |
| joh | maybe I've misunderstood..? | 05:47 |
| fabbione | once you just load a module | 05:47 |
| fabbione | that contains a binary blob | 05:47 |
| fabbione | you have lost | 05:48 |
| fabbione | the OOPS become unreliable | 05:48 |
| fabbione | just loading it, make the kernel unhappy | 05:48 |
| joh | ok, I see | 05:48 |
| joh | but how do you explain the fact that it worked before? change in the module? | 05:48 |
| fabbione | when you load a module there are already a set of functions called | 05:48 |
| fabbione | like initmodules and similae | 05:49 |
| fabbione | similar | 05:49 |
| joh | yeah | 05:49 |
| fabbione | perhaps change in the module.. could be due to a change in the binary blob or in the general code.. | 05:49 |
| fabbione | from my point of view it's the same | 05:49 |
| joh | ok | 05:49 |
| fabbione | at the end you still get one kernel module for which you don't have full source | 05:50 |
| fabbione | they might as well have broken their internal ABI by mistake | 05:50 |
| joh | sure, I just want to get it working at this point :P | 05:50 |
| fabbione | buy better hw :) | 05:50 |
| joh | what are the chances that there actually is an error in the computer hardware? | 05:51 |
| fabbione | no idea.. | 05:51 |
| fabbione | it's not necessarely an error | 05:52 |
| fabbione | for example.. you get laptop A and B | 05:52 |
| fabbione | they come from the same manufacturer | 05:52 |
| fabbione | but perhaps one has a different resistor to cope with pcmcia version foo | 05:53 |
| fabbione | and the other has a different one because foo was broken | 05:53 |
| fabbione | you card works on A but on B | 05:53 |
| fabbione | what is at fault? | 05:53 |
| joh | Sure, so a change in the ABI could result that it won't work on B but still on A. | 05:55 |
| fabbione | perhaps | 05:56 |
| fabbione | that's a possibility | 05:56 |
| joh | An oops is an error IMHO though, either caused by incompatibility between driver and hardware or the ABI itself. | 05:57 |
| joh | Are there any package archives of the restricted repository? | 05:59 |
| fabbione | no | 06:01 |
| fabbione | there was morgue.ubuntu.com but it's temporary down | 06:01 |
| joh | ok | 06:02 |
| joh | temporary down as in packages are not archived, or temporary down as in server? | 06:03 |
| joh | *server down | 06:03 |
| joh | oh, I see what you mean :p | 06:05 |
| joh | fabbione: one question... if some PCI hardware is unrecognized by the kernel (i.e. no modules to handle it), a "PCI: device <ID> has unknown header type X, ignoring." message will be printed, right? | 06:12 |
| fabbione | hmmm i am not 100% sure about it.. i tend to buy hw that actually works | 06:13 |
| fabbione | grep for that string inside the source and see what code prints it | 06:13 |
| joh | fabbione: my card worked before :P I just downgraded the drivers to -7 but it doesn't seem to recognize the card now :\ | 06:13 |
| dilinger | i should add an openafs BOF | 06:14 |
| dilinger | to the ubz wiki | 06:14 |
| fabbione | dilinger: are you going to be there? | 06:15 |
| fabbione | if so i am up for it | 06:15 |
| fabbione | i like this kind of challenges :) | 06:15 |
| fabbione | but you will also need to lead it | 06:16 |
| fabbione | not that many have afs experience | 06:16 |
| dilinger | that's find | 06:16 |
| dilinger | fine | 06:16 |
| dilinger | at the very least, openafs clients would be useful for lots of schools | 06:16 |
| dilinger | i haven't really tried touching our afs fileservers yet | 06:16 |
| fabbione | isn't afs supposed to distribute everything in such a way that there is no real central server? | 06:17 |
| fabbione | i wonder if we can write a torrentfs to achieve that.. | 06:17 |
| dilinger | well, there are fileservers for each cell | 06:17 |
| fabbione | so that everybody has everything :) | 06:17 |
| joh | openafs is neat :) | 06:17 |
| dilinger | for example, our homedirectories are spread out across 3 machines | 06:17 |
| fabbione | dilinger: #define cell ? | 06:17 |
| dilinger | oh, cell is just an organizational unit | 06:18 |
| dilinger | afs has a global namespace | 06:18 |
| dilinger | /afs/<cell>/<directories> | 06:18 |
| fabbione | sounds ldpaish | 06:18 |
| dilinger | where <cell> for us is 2702.athenacr.com | 06:18 |
| fabbione | ldapish | 06:18 |
| dilinger | and another cell might be foo.stanford.edu | 06:18 |
| dilinger | and so on | 06:18 |
| fabbione | ok | 06:19 |
| fabbione | sort of workgroups.. | 06:19 |
| dilinger | yea | 06:20 |
| fabbione | so basically you have N servers syncing automatically data for /afs/<cell>/ | 06:21 |
| fabbione | and clients connect to servers indipendently.. | 06:21 |
| fabbione | if i get this right | 06:22 |
| dilinger | there's also client caching involved | 06:22 |
| fabbione | yes i recall that | 06:22 |
| fabbione | i still have all the AFS docs printed on paper | 06:23 |
| fabbione | never had the time to read them | 06:23 |
| dilinger | we typically set aside at least 100gb of cache for clients | 06:23 |
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| mkrufky | jbailey: i know this isnt your thing, but in case you are interested: | 10:17 |
| mkrufky | i removed the dependency of video-buf-dvb from v4l-kernel cvs | 10:17 |
| mkrufky | and it should compile fine now on ubuntu | 10:17 |
| mkrufky | kernel 2.6.10 | 10:17 |
| jbailey | mkrufky: Nice! | 10:17 |
| jbailey | mkrufky: Is that a package in Ubuntu now? | 10:18 |
| mkrufky | no | 10:18 |
| mkrufky | it is still kernel modules ... i think you dont allow packages for those | 10:18 |
| mkrufky | if you like, i can provide packages to ubuntu ... but it would be silly.... much easier to install from cvs IMHO | 10:19 |
| jbailey | Yeah,I guess. | 10:29 |
| jbailey | We should probably find some way to make that possible at some point. | 10:29 |
| jbailey | mkrufky: Might be worth suggesting as a spec - a way of forcing a build-time dependancy on another package that causes it to get rebuilt when the other package changes. | 10:30 |
| jbailey | Or something like that. | 10:30 |
| mkrufky | hmmmm... gentoo has that in place | 10:34 |
| mkrufky | because packages are build from source | 10:34 |
| jbailey | Well, packages are built from source in Ubuntu too. | 10:34 |
| jbailey | It's just done on the server rather than on the client. | 10:34 |
| mkrufky | ya, thats the difference | 10:34 |
| mkrufky | truth is, i CAN release source to you that will build on any kernel | 10:35 |
| mkrufky | we maintain backwards compatability with older kernels | 10:35 |
| mkrufky | and i just fixed the biggest backwards-compat bug (the video-buf-dvb dependency) | 10:35 |
| mkrufky | so, i think i just have to learn about how baz works.... maybe it will all just fall into place? | 10:36 |
| jbailey | Well, probably not for breezy. =) | 10:48 |
| jbailey | Because it would be lovely if it did for Dapper. | 10:48 |
| jbailey | Esp. since it will be supported for 5 years. | 10:49 |
| jbailey | It would be nice if folks who need it for a little while can hope to keep it up to date | 10:49 |
| mkrufky | 5 years!?! | 10:54 |
| jbailey | yup | 11:02 |
| jbailey | 3 years on the desktop, 5 years for servers. | 11:02 |
| mkrufky | hmm, well, with the rate they're making these video capture cards and digital tv cards, 5 years is too long to go without v4l/dvb updates | 11:10 |
| mkrufky | lol... 1 month is too long sometimes | 11:10 |
| mkrufky | this is the reason why we maintain backwards-compat in v4l-cvs | 11:10 |
| jbailey | Well, I do't imagint most servers will have dvb needs. =) | 11:14 |
| mkrufky | you're totally forgetting all about broadcast servers | 11:15 |
| === mkrufky is the devil's advocate | ||
| jbailey | =) | 11:16 |
| jbailey | To forget about them assumes I knew about them in the first place. | 11:16 |
| mkrufky | how else do you think they get digital tv into your living room? | 11:19 |
| === jbailey blinks | ||
| mkrufky | lol | 11:20 |
| jbailey | the only digital TV I've been exposed to was something called "DirecTv" | 11:20 |
| jbailey | I think it might still be around. | 11:20 |
| mkrufky | what country do u live? | 11:20 |
| mkrufky | it is still around, yes | 11:20 |
| jbailey | Canada. | 11:20 |
| jbailey | Ah, cool. I did the wide area network integration documents for them. =) | 11:20 |
| jbailey | And the last time I saw anything relating to them was in 1993. =) | 11:21 |
| mkrufky | ah nice | 11:21 |
| mkrufky | they're still marketing in the states | 11:21 |
| jbailey | Cool. | 11:21 |
| mkrufky | but i am anti-satellite | 11:21 |
| mkrufky | lol | 11:21 |
| mkrufky | i live in NYC | 11:21 |
| mkrufky | so i use cable | 11:21 |
| jbailey | I lived in NYC for a year when I was working there. =) | 11:21 |
| mkrufky | satellite is better where cable is not available, IMHO | 11:21 |
| mkrufky | where in nyc? | 11:21 |
| mkrufky | i live in brooklyn, grew up in queens | 11:22 |
| jbailey | For 9 months, midtown. 52 and Broadway. | 11:22 |
| mkrufky | (work in new jersey) | 11:22 |
| jbailey | For a couple month, the Bronx, near Fordham station. | 11:22 |
| mkrufky | ah nice... | 11:22 |
| mkrufky | i dont know bronx very well | 11:22 |
| jbailey | It was a learning experience. | 11:22 |
| jbailey | I spent most of my time staying at other people's places. Much safer. =) | 11:22 |
| mkrufky | haha how is that?!? | 11:22 |
| jbailey | Well, in the end we moved because there was a shooting outside of our appt. | 11:23 |
| mkrufky | omg | 11:23 |
| mkrufky | i lived in nyc all my life and still never was that close to a shooting | 11:23 |
| jbailey | High crime, and it's a bit weird to be the only white person in the neighbourhood. | 11:23 |
| mkrufky | hmm... i guess thats a quirk about bronx | 11:23 |
| jbailey | After the first few days it was alright, but I learned alot about multi-cultural relations there. | 11:23 |
| mkrufky | maybe thats why i dont know it so well :-P | 11:24 |
| jbailey | We don't have anything quite like that here. | 11:24 |
| mkrufky | ya i know what u mean | 11:24 |
| jbailey | All told, though, my experience in NYC was positive. | 11:24 |
| jbailey | I still miss it sometimes. | 11:24 |
| mkrufky | ya, nyc is an experience | 11:24 |
| mkrufky | ive been to canada twice | 11:25 |
| mkrufky | only toronto | 11:26 |
| jbailey | Toronto is really the asshole of Canada. | 11:26 |
| jbailey | Are you coming up for UBZ? | 11:26 |
| mkrufky | UBZ... i know i SHOULD know what that is | 11:26 |
| jbailey | "Ubuntu Below Zero" | 11:26 |
| mkrufky | ... ? | 11:26 |
| mkrufky | hmm | 11:26 |
| jbailey | It's the Canonical conference here in Montral. | 11:26 |
| mkrufky | interesting | 11:26 |
| mkrufky | when? | 11:26 |
| jbailey | We hold two conferences a year. The one in the Spring was in Sydney | 11:26 |
| jbailey | No idea where next spring will be. | 11:27 |
| mkrufky | i see | 11:27 |
| jbailey | October 30th to Nov 13th, although most people only come for part of it. | 11:27 |
| mkrufky | well, maybe would be fun to go | 11:27 |
| jbailey | The big community day is the 30th. | 11:27 |
| jbailey | The first week is spent figuring out what we want to do for the next Ubuntu release. | 11:27 |
| mkrufky | oh, thats in 2 weeks | 11:27 |
| jbailey | The second week is spent doing Launchpad stuff. | 11:27 |
| mkrufky | i do have a vacation time left for this 2005 year ... hmmmm........ | 11:27 |
| jbailey | Yes, very soon. =) | 11:27 |
| mkrufky | is there a site i can read about it? | 11:28 |
| jbailey | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero | 11:28 |
| mkrufky | does it cost money? | 11:28 |
| mkrufky | page loading | 11:29 |
| mkrufky | fyi: i have some insider v4l news... i wanna spill the beans | 11:29 |
| mkrufky | ivtv project is merging into v4l .... | 11:29 |
| jbailey | I don't think the conference itself costs money. You have to cover your lodging and stuff. There were sponsorships available, but I think those were all decided a while ago. | 11:29 |
| === jbailey googles ivtv | ||
| mkrufky | so, im sure users complain about ivtv conflicts with kernel... worried no more | 11:29 |
| mkrufky | s/worried/worries | 11:29 |
| mkrufky | eh, i can afford lodging | 11:30 |
| mkrufky | damn page wont load | 11:30 |
| jbailey | I'm lucky. I'm neither a kernel developer. nor do I own a television. =) | 11:30 |
| mkrufky | hah really? | 11:30 |
| jbailey | Try using http instead of https? | 11:30 |
| mkrufky | k | 11:30 |
| jbailey | I haven't lived in a place with a TV in like 8 years. | 11:30 |
| jbailey | And then it was only fgor a year, and probably another 8 before that. =) | 11:30 |
| mkrufky | to be honest, you're probably better off | 11:31 |
| jbailey | Oh, I'm sure I am. =) | 11:31 |
| jbailey | I rent DVDs of TV shows. | 11:31 |
| jbailey | No commercials. | 11:31 |
| mkrufky | heh ... less mush in the brain than most | 11:31 |
| mkrufky | ooooooh... i take it all back | 11:31 |
| jbailey | Paying to have someone advertise to me seems to be the height of sillyness. =) | 11:31 |
| mkrufky | yes... but what about canadian news? | 11:31 |
| jbailey | http://www.cbc.ca/ | 11:32 |
| mkrufky | i hear it's more objective than usa | 11:32 |
| mkrufky | true, web | 11:32 |
| jbailey | I use the RSS feeds to see the top stories. | 11:32 |
| mkrufky | aha... i gotcha! u say u dont own a tv, yet u rent dvds? | 11:32 |
| jbailey | There are also the free daily newspapers. | 11:32 |
| mkrufky | ...watching dvds on pc? | 11:32 |
| jbailey | Sure. decss isn't illegal here. =) | 11:32 |
| jbailey | Congrats on the project merger. If Conexant's video ochips are as annoying as their other chips, this should save you a bunch of work. =) | 11:33 |
| mkrufky | yes | 11:34 |
| mkrufky | the PITA is that ivtv is NOT kernel subsystem, and v4l is | 11:34 |
| mkrufky | so v4l is official drivers | 11:34 |
| mkrufky | and ivtv are directly incompatable | 11:34 |
| jbailey | Ah, so still some work to do. | 11:34 |
| mkrufky | u must remove v4l to get ivtv to work | 11:34 |
| mkrufky | well, that WAS the problem | 11:34 |
| jbailey | Any way to get it fast enough in userspace and just push it all out? | 11:35 |
| mkrufky | well, i think we'll have all the ivtv stuff ready for 2.6.17 | 11:35 |
| mkrufky | this cannot be userspace - its all kernel modules | 11:35 |
| mkrufky | (unless i am misunderstanding something) | 11:35 |
| mkrufky | btw, 2.6.14 comes out probably this week | 11:35 |
| jbailey | you can always allocate iospace and pci bus memory to userspace. | 11:36 |
| jbailey | (with a bounce buffer on really broken architectures, but it's still possible) | 11:36 |
| jbailey | I don't know if Linux has a way of doing IRQ notifications. | 11:36 |
| mkrufky | ya this is true, but it is not what we are trying to do | 11:36 |
| mkrufky | however | 11:36 |
| mkrufky | we are planning to change the driver model such that chip support will be in kernel | 11:37 |
| mkrufky | but | 11:37 |
| mkrufky | card support will be configured form userspace | 11:37 |
| jbailey | Right, but it might solve some problems if your in-kernel stuff was just enough glue to let the chip support sit in userspace. | 11:37 |
| mkrufky | hmmm | 11:37 |
| jbailey | Someone at OLS 2 years ago managed to put the IDE driver in userspace, so what you need is likely there. | 11:37 |
| mkrufky | sounds like a lot of work | 11:37 |
| jbailey | No idea. | 11:38 |
| jbailey | Most of my kernel knowledge comes from hacking the Hurd. =) | 11:38 |
| jbailey | And paying attention at OLS. =) | 11:38 |
| mkrufky | hurd, now that i never played with | 11:38 |
| jbailey | It's a great way of learning, because there's still so much to look at that's unfinished. | 11:39 |
| mkrufky | hmm | 11:40 |
| mkrufky | is hurd used anywhere in production | 11:40 |
| === mkrufky doubts it | ||
| jbailey | Unlikely. | 11:41 |
| mkrufky | maybe one day i will mess with it | 11:42 |
| mkrufky | for now, linux is too much fun | 11:42 |
| mkrufky | lol | 11:42 |
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