[12:05] dholbach: what are the build-deps for tango? [12:05] dholbach: it insists i dont have imagemagick [12:06] i uploaded a new version, which has it [12:06] as a build-dep [12:06] i know you did [12:06] its in new [12:06] imagemagick and libmagick6-dev [12:06] i want to build it ymself because i am impatient [12:06] thanks [12:06] :D [12:06] it's on revu [12:06] you can get the source packages there [12:07] i am too lazy for that [12:07] i see === tseng hugs dholbach [12:07] you will need that crazy iconnamingutils thingie too [12:07] :) [12:07] got that [12:07] right [12:07] (which needs libxml-simple-perl [12:07] yes [12:09] dholbach: what version number should seahoarse have for the downgrade? (i used 0.7.8-2ubuntu1, but that would be a downgrade) [12:10] we'll need a funky version number as 1.2.3.is.1.2.0 or something [12:11] ok... anyone to test it? (I don't even know what's not working *g*) === mbreit [n=mo@p548B45FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:13] good evening! [12:13] hey mbreit [12:13] my exams are all over now, so i have finally some time again.... so what's on top of the todo list now? === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:14] back [12:14] congrats mbreit [12:14] mbreit: do you already have the result for maths? [12:15] mbreit: and... on the todo: UniverseFTBFS, unmet deps, bugreports :) [12:16] slomo: i don't think so... the math exam was on friday, so... [12:16] mbreit: oevel is fast ;) === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:22] dholbach: seahorse with funky version: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=767 [12:22] if nobody else looks at it, i'll do it tomorrow, ok? [12:22] kk [12:22] super [12:23] i hope i got the funky version right *g* [12:23] sistpoty: i used 1.2.3+revertedto1.2.2 for my stuff that will come tomorrow ;) [12:24] but should be fine [12:25] as long as downgrading works and afterwards uprading *g* [12:25] that's not given with your version number... [12:25] damn /me missed to add "the funky version release" to changelog *g* [12:25] 1.2.3.1 would be less than yours [12:26] gna... i knew, i [12:26] +'ll get this version-stuff wrong [12:26] ok, i retry ;) [12:27] someone working on fixing helix-player on non-amd64? [12:27] mbreit: afaik no... go, get it ;) [12:27] not sure if that ever worked [12:27] you could consult the debian qa site [12:27] i'll see what i can do [12:28] dholbach: there is a patch on debian qa... [12:28] dholbach: I have gscore almost packaged [12:28] oh cool [12:28] hub: ROCK [12:28] that was before I reorganize all my computer room, so circa 3PM [12:29] I just disable abcp as the new upstream release is soon and I have asked the upstream maintainer to include the lib in his tarball until it is sorted out [12:38] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=768 <-- with slomos naming scheme now ;) [12:40] lol? the first backports changelog entry i'm seeing :) [12:40] i needed to get the sources from somewhere ;) [12:44] doko: sorry for asking you again... :( but will eclipse be removed from pas for breezy? it builds and works fine on amd64 with this version... [12:45] good night guys [12:45] gn8 dholbach [12:45] night sebastian [12:46] bye dholbach [12:48] n8 dholbach [12:48] night andrew, moritz :) === dansydo [n=daniel@181.72.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abarbaccia [n=abarbacc@69-162-20-65.stcgpa.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:07] hello all - i have a problem with a package taht i would love to fix but don't know how [01:08] anybody active? [01:08] yep [01:08] abarbaccia: yes [01:08] a first step would be to find out what package provides mtd [01:08] what package is it? [01:08] well this is what it is [01:09] abarbaccia: apt-cache show mtd... then go for "source-package" field... or apt-get source mtd should work as well [01:09] whoever made the package that contains mtd (myth transcoding daemon) did it without transcode installed on their system [01:10] mtd is provided by a specific package [01:10] not sure which one that is [01:10] its probably mythtv-backend but i am not sure [01:10] hm what? [01:10] abarbaccia: do you know any binary/other file? then try dpkg -S pathtofile which should give you the package [01:12] okay [01:12] mythdvd [01:12] so i need to repackage mythdvd [01:14] someone want to give me a how-to on doing this [01:15] this might have been intentional [01:15] no its not [01:15] i promise you [01:15] u need mtd for mythdvd to work completely [01:15] ok i must be a fool then [01:16] if you try to run it - it returns - mtd was compiled without transcode - quitting [01:16] lol - are you the maintainer? [01:16] we never leave out build-deps because they might be restricted or anything [01:16] well, with myth 0.17 tha twas in hoary [01:16] (transcode is in multiverse and from marillat) [01:16] it was compiled with transcode on the system - but didn't depend on it [01:16] mythdvd is in multiverse as well [01:17] im pretty sure they just grabbed these packages from the dijkastra.rit.edu source that someone in here maintains [01:17] because they had the same problem which stopped me from upgrading months ago [01:17] i would appreciate if you ask mdz [01:17] before changing anything [01:17] THATS who it is [01:17] it could be an oversight.. it could not be [01:18] transcode isnt the greatest news from a legal standpoint [01:18] how do you figure? === Fuddl [n=fuddl@2001:6f8:9cf:0:20f:eaff:fe4d:d7b7] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:18] hi Fuddl [01:18] if you dont have the divx libs or anything thats restricted theres no problem going from mpg4 to xvid [01:19] ok [01:19] please get a simple yes/no from mdz and id be happy to help you [01:19] alright- is he not on right now? [01:20] apperantly not [01:20] he is painfully busy [01:20] an email will do [01:20] i dont have his email [01:20] Maintainer: Matt Zimmerman [01:20] its just that easy [01:20] wow [01:20] awesome [01:21] please CC and note that I will be happy to help you with technical bits if it was an oversight [01:21] (CC me) brandon@ubuntu.com === tuxedo_kamen [n=k@82.155.199.26] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:21] hi everyone === marc_ [n=marc@203-59-82-27.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:23] what do I need for AM_PROG_LIBTOOL ? [01:23] I build-depend on automake1.9 already [01:23] listen, I wanted to contribute for ubuntu, how can i? [01:24] hub: probably libtool? [01:25] hi tuxedo_kamen [01:26] hey [01:26] tuxedo_kamen: you could start with fixing packages and help out in MOTUland... maybe you could start to fix some FTBFS packages? [01:26] tseng, can we create the package now and wait for his responce [01:27] tseng i would like to learn because i do plan on helping out in mtou when i get some time in the next month [01:27] o_O hum? [01:28] I know nothing about that, ?I just wanted to contribute some applications to be used on ubuntu! [01:28] tuxedo_kamen: how exactly do you want to contribute? package new stuff or write apps yourself? [01:29] write apps [01:29] hm... there was some webpage with ideas in it... BreezyGoals or s.th. anyone remembers? [01:30] does anyone remember even ; [01:30] ) [01:30] abarbaccia: apt-get source mythplugins [01:31] sistpoty: I already build-depend on it [01:31] incidentally i dont see a mail from you [01:31] sistpoty: wait, I'm the moron. I forgot to rebuild the source pacakge [01:31] :-/ [01:33] hub: it's in libtool... but eventually you also need to do the autotools-dance again (acinclude, autoconf etc.) [01:34] sdlperl - http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/debdiffs/sdlperl_1.20.3-1ubuntu6_to_1ubuntu7.debdiff anyone willing to sponsor upload? [01:35] tseng can't i just get mythdvd [01:35] sistpoty: I already regenerate all that stuff as I have to patch configure.ac [01:35] that's why it is somewhat failing [01:35] but since I forgot to regenerate the package [01:35] it failed in pbuilder [01:36] tuxedo_kamen: found the page... you might wish to take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyBounties [01:36] trying again [01:36] hub: good luck then ;) [01:36] sistpoty: thxz [01:41] abarbaccia: no.. [01:41] abarbaccia: mythdvd is a binary build from the source package mythplugins [01:43] I'm going to bed now... gn8 altogether [01:45] sistpoty, perhaps you didn't understand my question... [01:45] GNight sistpoty [01:46] OK gang, what should I work on, I've been slacking :-( [01:47] hey bddebian: you could take a look at xprint's postinst (take the debdiff on UniverseFTBFS to fix the compile issue) [01:47] but i'm really off now ;) [01:47] gn8 [01:50] >_> [01:50] can anyone help me, please? [01:50] ...with? [01:51] i wanteed to know how to contribute... [01:51] see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate/ [01:54] tseng - i am confused - please explain [01:54] there are packages named mythdvd [01:54] there are [01:54] thats a binary, agreed? [01:55] again, confused [01:55] ... [01:55] binary = already compiled [01:55] yes [01:55] good [01:55] now as we know, a binary has to be compiled from source [01:55] right [01:55] in this case, the source package mythplugins is compiled once [01:55] and split into multiple binary packages [01:55] how do you know this? [01:55] of which mythdvd is one [01:55] okay [01:56] so we're gonna get the whole mythplugin souce [01:56] first because I know this [01:56] and only compile mythdvd [01:56] if i didnt, i could look like this [01:56] apt-cache show mythdvd | grep Source [01:56] Source: mythplugins [01:56] then apt-cache showsrc mythplugins [01:56] no [01:56] we are going to compile the whole mythplugins [01:56] its all or nothing [01:57] ubuntu doesnt work with binary packages [01:57] okay [01:57] we work on the source package and upload that [01:57] it is built by a dedicated builder and then put on the mirrors [01:57] but how is it broken down into multiple packages then [01:57] we fix the source [01:57] users get the binary [01:57] abarbaccia: by debian/control [01:57] okay - still a little confused but i'll pick up on it as soon as we start going [01:58] yes lets look at it [01:58] did you get the source? [01:59] haha - yea - if you do apt-get source mythdvd - it gets mythplugins [01:59] >_> [01:59] yes [01:59] its smart like that [01:59] cool - alright - now i have the souce [01:59] but its good to understand the source vs binary w/o depending on that [01:59] ok [01:59] yea [01:59] i get it now [01:59] cd mythplugins-0.18.1 [01:59] look at debian/control [01:59] and you will see more about the package splitting [02:00] alright [02:00] where is debian/control? [02:00] under mythplugins-0.18.1 [02:00] listen, this is the third time, perhaps I am not explaining myself correctly... [02:01] alright [02:01] tuxedo_kamen: im not sure what you want from us, if you want to be a software author be our guest [02:02] how do I avoid regenerated auto* files to be diffed ? [02:02] tseng, got it [02:02] hub: ugh [02:02] sometimes I work for random personal projects, and I wanted to offer some of them to ubuntu! [02:03] if you want to write code you might find some ideas http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/bounties/document_view [02:03] we work on packaging here, though [02:03] tuxedo_kamen: so what Free Software projects have you worked on/maintained so far? [02:03] abarbaccia: ok [02:03] abarbaccia: see build-depends? [02:03] tseng - i got the whole control thing - its basically telling it how to break it down [02:03] yes [02:04] this is what you are pointing at as "not on the maintainers system" [02:04] it really has nothing to do with the maintainers system but the chroot on the buildd [02:04] which will have ideally only a base system and the packages listed in Build-Depends [02:04] right [02:05] so [02:05] in this case, it has a little more, but not much - and it DOES have transcode [02:05] right [02:05] so we need to add transcode to that list? [02:05] should we look at the hoary version? [02:05] probably a good idea [02:06] how/were can i get a copy for me? [02:06] http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/graphics/mythdvd [02:06] i am going to click diff.gz at the very bottom [02:06] [mythdvd_0.17-2.diff.gz] [02:06] and browse through it [02:06] it will be a diff applying the debian/ dir on top of upstream source [02:06] make sense? [02:06] its enough for what we want to find out [02:07] which is to see that transcode was not in build-depeneds for hoary either [02:07] so you are chasing the wrong tail [02:07] i just saw that [02:07] great [02:07] but i think that when it was compiled for 0.17 it was left out of the depends also - but whoever built it had transcode installed in their chroot [02:08] nope [02:08] ? [02:08] i explained this already, "whoever" is an automated script that builds all packages [02:08] azeem, lots. The latest ones were: a program for getting tickets for an exhibition room and a pluging for an emulator [02:08] in a clean chroot [02:08] things dont accidentally appear in there [02:08] you'll have to come up with another idea [02:09] i can give you one more thing to look at [02:09] okay [02:09] on the packages.ubuntu.com page [02:09] download all the dsc, orig.tar.gz and the diff.gz to the same dir as you did apt-get source [02:09] this is the source package components from hoary [02:09] we are going to compare them with debdiff [02:09] make sense so far? [02:10] yea [02:10] whats debdiff [02:10] great [02:10] the diff from the debian sources? [02:10] yes [02:10] its in the package 'devscripts; [02:10] if you could install it [02:10] okay [02:11] first things first [02:11] download those three things to my source dir [02:11] oh crap [02:11] ... [02:11] mythdvd 0.17 was its own package [02:11] 0.18 made the first giant mythplugins [02:11] well, thats because . [02:11] yea [02:11] what you just said [02:11] tseng: do you know how to exclude some files from the diff? [02:11] so its pointless to debdiff [02:11] right, because its completely different [02:12] ok another good lesson to learn here [02:12] if you have all the source components, dsc, diff.gz, orig [02:12] you can do dpkg-source -x foo.dsc [02:12] to unpack it [02:12] then you can cd into that and poke around in debian/ [02:12] very cool [02:12] see if you see anything [02:12] hub: hm [02:12] should i do that [02:13] yes [02:13] How do I package something as non-native? [02:13] u just gotta give me time - i'm doing this via SSH + VNC to my myth box! lol [02:14] abarbaccia: oh [02:14] abarbaccia: http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=50 [02:14] :D [02:14] VNC sucks [02:14] be happy, use xephyr [02:14] FreeNX :D [02:15] pretty nifty - when i have time. i'll make the switch - u got bookmarked [02:15] great === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-084-059-068-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:18] night all [02:20] Finally getting around to building PBuilder === tritium [n=michael@pcp0011975002pcs.sandia01.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:20] tseng, okay so it says it doesnt depend on transcode either [02:21] tseng, why else would mtd give this error message? main.o: mtd was built without transcode support. It won't do anything. [02:21] How long should this take... [02:23] I: Checking component main on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu... [02:23] <---How long should this take anyway... [02:24] as long as it takes to download the packages. [02:24] yah just saw it start to flash past [02:26] tseng: I just don't want him to diff aclocal.m4 [02:27] stabbity pbuilder [02:27] its trying to invoke Prelink [02:31] abarbaccia: you are certain there was no problem before? [02:31] abarbaccia: and there is no upstream code change? [02:31] yes i am absolutly positive [02:31] i've made about 15 of these boxes [02:31] all with hoary [02:31] breezy followed suite - everything works - minus the mtd without transcode === mikhail^ [n=mikhail@58.69.30.39] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:32] abarbaccia: and there is no upstream code change? ... [02:32] seriously, i am pretty sure you are barking up the wrong tree [02:32] please investigate further and get back to me [02:32] tseng - how bout this [02:32] there is seemingly no change in the package [02:32] we compile on my system with mtd and transcode [02:32] if it works, then it works [02:32] we save the package and when mdz gives the final word, we go from there? [02:33] you are still not understanding [02:33] if you want to make a change, the packages on your system are absolutely irrelevant [02:33] if you want to add a build-dep, add a build-dep [02:34] well in mythtv-users they are saying if you build the package mythplugins without --enable-transcode it will do that [02:34] but your test sounds fair enough [02:34] alright [02:35] transcode build-depend will move the package to multiverse if it isn't already [02:35] so now i have the source [02:35] um [02:35] no one users --enable-transcode [02:35] afaict [02:35] could *that* have anything to do with this? [02:35] i would think so [02:35] what do you mean [02:35] slomo, it is in multiverse [02:35] please look at debian/rules [02:35] where configure is called [02:35] $(CCVARS) ./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-opengl --disable-mythgame --disable-mythphone --enable-mythgallery --enable-mythmusic --enable-mythbrowser --enable-aac --enable-fftw --compile-type=debug [02:36] shoot- so did that change is the question [02:36] it doesnt call it in 0.17 either [02:36] i asked you to look at this sort of thing [02:36] but maybe configure is different now that its a different package [02:36] i am really new to this whole thing [02:36] it very well may be [02:37] which would make alot more sense than phantom packages appearing in a chroot [02:37] lol [02:37] and then disappearing in the breezy cycle [02:37] :) [02:37] okay - so lets take this path [02:38] have you mailed mdz [02:38] yes [02:38] hm i thought you would copy me [02:38] ok [02:38] Hmm, is libxp-dev broken? [02:38] sorry [02:39] so i changed the rules [02:39] ok so [02:39] both configure scripts default transcode to "no" [02:39] which is probably different from before - so that owuld make all the difference right ther [02:40] i did say both [02:40] oh [02:40] but the question is - the 0.17 package - did it have --enable-transcode in the rules? [02:40] no [02:40] ive said this also [02:41] how do I make a non-native package? [02:41] now let me ask you this to be sure [02:41] you installed mythdvd from hoary from archive.ubuntu.com [02:41] yes [02:41] or from mdz's home or somewhere else? [02:42] only straight ubuntu sources [02:42] from archive.ubuntu.com [02:42] ok then im failing to see what you are talking about [02:43] i'm confused because this was not a problem with the hoary build [02:43] im confused too [02:44] but ive been over every part of the package with you [02:44] agree? [02:44] you would know better than i would - but yes, it seeems like nothing has changed on the packaging end [02:44] but i know that it works because there are plenty of people that use it [02:44] if you can find something, id be happy to translate it into the package with you [02:44] if we use --enable-transcode and build this package and it works... [02:44] but breezy is very close to closing [02:45] im sure it does [02:45] but thats a question for mdz imo [02:45]