[12:05] <tseng> dholbach: what are the build-deps for tango?
[12:05] <tseng> dholbach: it insists i dont have imagemagick
[12:06] <dholbach> i uploaded a new version, which has it
[12:06] <dholbach> as a build-dep
[12:06] <tseng> i know you did
[12:06] <tseng> its in new
[12:06] <dholbach> imagemagick and libmagick6-dev
[12:06] <tseng> i want to build it ymself because i am impatient
[12:06] <tseng> thanks
[12:06] <tseng> :D
[12:06] <dholbach> it's on revu
[12:06] <dholbach> you can get the source packages there
[12:07] <tseng> i am too lazy for that
[12:07] <dholbach> i see
[12:07] <dholbach> you will need that crazy iconnamingutils thingie too
[12:07] <dholbach> :)
[12:07] <tseng> got that
[12:07] <dholbach> right
[12:07] <dholbach> (which needs libxml-simple-perl
[12:07] <tseng> yes
[12:09] <sistpoty> dholbach: what version number should seahoarse have for the downgrade? (i used 0.7.8-2ubuntu1, but that would be a downgrade)
[12:10] <dholbach> we'll need a funky version number as 1.2.3.is.1.2.0 or something
[12:11] <sistpoty> ok... anyone to test it? (I don't even know what's not working *g*)
[12:13] <mbreit> good evening!
[12:13] <sistpoty> hey mbreit
[12:13] <mbreit> my exams are all over now, so i have finally some time again.... so what's on top of the todo list now?
[12:14] <hub> back
[12:14] <sistpoty> congrats mbreit
[12:14] <slomo> mbreit: do you already have the result for maths?
[12:15] <slomo> mbreit: and... on the todo: UniverseFTBFS, unmet deps, bugreports :)
[12:16] <mbreit> slomo: i don't think so... the math exam was on friday, so...
[12:16] <slomo> mbreit: oevel is fast ;)
[12:22] <sistpoty> dholbach: seahorse with funky version: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=767
[12:22] <dholbach> if nobody else looks at it, i'll do it tomorrow, ok?
[12:22] <sistpoty> kk
[12:22] <dholbach> super
[12:23] <sistpoty> i hope i got the funky version right *g*
[12:23] <slomo> sistpoty: i used 1.2.3+revertedto1.2.2 for my stuff that will come tomorrow ;)
[12:24] <slomo> but should be fine
[12:25] <sistpoty> as long as downgrading works and afterwards uprading *g*
[12:25] <slomo> that's not given with your version number...
[12:25] <sistpoty> damn /me missed to add "the funky version release" to changelog *g*
[12:25] <slomo> 1.2.3.1 would be less than yours
[12:26] <sistpoty> gna... i knew, i
[12:26] <sistpoty> +'ll get this version-stuff wrong
[12:26] <sistpoty> ok, i retry ;)
[12:27] <mbreit> someone working on fixing helix-player on non-amd64?
[12:27] <slomo> mbreit: afaik no... go, get it ;)
[12:27] <dholbach> not sure if that ever worked
[12:27] <dholbach> you could consult the debian qa site
[12:27] <mbreit> i'll see what i can do
[12:28] <mbreit> dholbach: there is a patch on debian qa...
[12:28] <hub> dholbach: I have gscore almost packaged
[12:28] <dholbach> oh cool
[12:28] <dholbach> hub: ROCK
[12:28] <hub> that was before I reorganize all my computer room, so circa 3PM
[12:29] <hub> I just disable abcp as the new upstream release is soon and I have asked the upstream maintainer to include the lib in his tarball until it is sorted out
[12:38] <sistpoty> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=768 <-- with slomos naming scheme now ;)
[12:40] <slomo> lol? the first backports changelog entry i'm seeing :)
[12:40] <sistpoty> i needed to get the sources from somewhere ;)
[12:44] <slomo> doko: sorry for asking you again... :( but will eclipse be removed from pas for breezy? it builds and works fine on amd64 with this version...
[12:45] <dholbach> good night guys
[12:45] <slomo> gn8 dholbach
[12:45] <dholbach> night sebastian
[12:46] <ajmitch> bye dholbach
[12:48] <mbreit> n8 dholbach
[12:48] <dholbach> night andrew, moritz :)
[01:07] <abarbaccia> hello all - i have a problem with a package taht i would love to fix but don't know how
[01:08] <abarbaccia> anybody active?
[01:08] <sistpoty> yep
[01:08] <mbreit> abarbaccia: yes
[01:08] <abarbaccia> a first step would be to find out what package provides mtd
[01:08] <sistpoty> what package is it?
[01:08] <abarbaccia> well this is what it is
[01:09] <sistpoty> abarbaccia: apt-cache show mtd... then go for "source-package" field... or apt-get source mtd should work as well
[01:09] <abarbaccia> whoever made the package that contains mtd (myth transcoding daemon) did it without transcode installed on their system
[01:10] <abarbaccia> mtd is provided by a specific package
[01:10] <abarbaccia> not sure which one that is
[01:10] <abarbaccia> its probably mythtv-backend but i am not sure
[01:10] <tseng> hm what?
[01:10] <sistpoty> abarbaccia: do you know any binary/other file? then try dpkg -S pathtofile which should give you the package
[01:12] <abarbaccia> okay
[01:12] <abarbaccia> mythdvd
[01:12] <abarbaccia> so i need to repackage mythdvd
[01:14] <abarbaccia> someone want to give me a how-to on doing this
[01:15] <tseng> this might have been intentional
[01:15] <abarbaccia> no its not
[01:15] <abarbaccia> i promise you
[01:15] <abarbaccia> u need mtd for mythdvd to work completely
[01:15] <tseng> ok i must be a fool then
[01:16] <abarbaccia> if you try to run it - it returns - mtd was compiled without transcode - quitting
[01:16] <abarbaccia> lol - are you the maintainer?
[01:16] <tseng> we never leave out build-deps because they might be restricted or anything
[01:16] <abarbaccia> well, with myth 0.17 tha twas in hoary
[01:16] <tseng> (transcode is in multiverse and from marillat)
[01:16] <abarbaccia> it was compiled with transcode on the system - but didn't depend on it
[01:16] <sistpoty> mythdvd is in multiverse as well
[01:17] <abarbaccia> im pretty sure they just grabbed these packages from the dijkastra.rit.edu source that someone in here maintains
[01:17] <abarbaccia> because they had the same problem which stopped me from upgrading months ago
[01:17] <tseng> i would appreciate if you ask mdz
[01:17] <tseng> before changing anything
[01:17] <abarbaccia> THATS who it is
[01:17] <tseng> it could be an oversight.. it could not be
[01:18] <tseng> transcode isnt the greatest news from a legal standpoint
[01:18] <abarbaccia> how do you figure?
[01:18] <sistpoty> hi Fuddl
[01:18] <abarbaccia> if you dont have the divx libs or anything thats restricted theres no problem going from mpg4 to xvid
[01:19] <tseng> ok
[01:19] <tseng> please get a simple yes/no from mdz and id be happy to help you
[01:19] <abarbaccia> alright-  is he not on right now?
[01:20] <tseng> apperantly not
[01:20] <tseng> he is painfully busy
[01:20] <tseng> an email will do
[01:20] <abarbaccia> i dont have his email
[01:20] <tseng> Maintainer: Matt Zimmerman <mdz@ubuntu.com>
[01:20] <tseng> its just that easy
[01:20] <abarbaccia> wow
[01:20] <abarbaccia> awesome
[01:21] <tseng> please CC and note that I will be happy to help you with technical bits if it was an oversight
[01:21] <tseng> (CC me) brandon@ubuntu.com
[01:21] <tuxedo_kamen> hi everyone
[01:23] <hub> what do I need for AM_PROG_LIBTOOL ?
[01:23] <hub> I build-depend on automake1.9 already
[01:23] <tuxedo_kamen> listen, I wanted to contribute for ubuntu, how can i?
[01:24] <sistpoty> hub: probably libtool?
[01:25] <sistpoty> hi tuxedo_kamen
[01:26] <tuxedo_kamen> hey
[01:26] <sistpoty> tuxedo_kamen: you could start with fixing packages and help out in MOTUland... maybe you could start to fix some FTBFS packages?
[01:26] <abarbaccia> tseng, can we create the package now and wait for his responce
[01:27] <abarbaccia> tseng i would like to learn because i do plan on helping out in mtou when i get some time in the next month
[01:27] <tuxedo_kamen> o_O hum?
[01:28] <tuxedo_kamen> I know nothing about that, ?I just wanted to contribute some applications to be used on ubuntu!
[01:28] <sistpoty> tuxedo_kamen: how exactly do you want to contribute? package new stuff or write apps yourself?
[01:29] <tuxedo_kamen> write apps
[01:29] <sistpoty> hm... there was some webpage with ideas in it... BreezyGoals or s.th. anyone remembers?
[01:30] <sistpoty> does anyone remember even ;
[01:30] <sistpoty> )
[01:30] <tseng> abarbaccia: apt-get source mythplugins
[01:31] <hub> sistpoty: I already build-depend on it
[01:31] <tseng> incidentally i dont see a mail from you
[01:31] <hub> sistpoty: wait, I'm the moron. I forgot to rebuild the source pacakge
[01:31] <hub> :-/
[01:33] <sistpoty> hub: it's in libtool... but eventually you also need to do the autotools-dance again (acinclude, autoconf etc.)
[01:34] <sistpoty> sdlperl - http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/debdiffs/sdlperl_1.20.3-1ubuntu6_to_1ubuntu7.debdiff anyone willing to sponsor upload?
[01:35] <abarbaccia> tseng can't i just get mythdvd
[01:35] <hub> sistpoty: I already regenerate all that stuff as I have to patch configure.ac
[01:35] <hub> that's why it is somewhat failing
[01:35] <hub> but since I forgot to regenerate the package
[01:35] <hub> it failed in pbuilder
[01:36] <sistpoty> tuxedo_kamen: found the page... you might wish to take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyBounties
[01:36] <hub> trying again
[01:36] <sistpoty> hub: good luck then ;)
[01:36] <hub> sistpoty: thxz
[01:41] <tseng> abarbaccia: no..
[01:41] <tseng> abarbaccia: mythdvd is a binary build from the source package mythplugins
[01:43] <sistpoty> I'm going to bed now... gn8 altogether
[01:45] <tuxedo_kamen> sistpoty, perhaps you didn't understand my question...
[01:45] <bddebian> GNight sistpoty
[01:46] <bddebian> OK gang, what should I work on, I've been slacking :-(
[01:47] <sistpoty> hey bddebian: you could take a look at xprint's postinst (take the debdiff on UniverseFTBFS to fix the compile issue)
[01:47] <sistpoty> but i'm really off now ;)
[01:47] <sistpoty> gn8
[01:50] <tuxedo_kamen> >_>
[01:50] <tuxedo_kamen> can anyone help me, please?
[01:50] <crimsun> ...with?
[01:51] <tuxedo_kamen> i wanteed to know how to contribute...
[01:51] <crimsun> see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate/
[01:54] <abarbaccia> tseng - i am confused - please explain
[01:54] <abarbaccia> there are packages named mythdvd
[01:54] <tseng> there are
[01:54] <tseng> thats a binary, agreed?
[01:55] <abarbaccia> again, confused
[01:55] <tseng> ...
[01:55] <abarbaccia> binary = already compiled
[01:55] <tseng> yes
[01:55] <tseng> good
[01:55] <tseng> now as we know, a binary has to be compiled from source
[01:55] <abarbaccia> right
[01:55] <tseng> in this case, the source package mythplugins is compiled once
[01:55] <tseng> and split into multiple binary packages
[01:55] <abarbaccia> how do you know this?
[01:55] <tseng> of which mythdvd is one
[01:55] <abarbaccia> okay
[01:56] <abarbaccia> so we're gonna get the whole mythplugin souce
[01:56] <tseng> first because I know this
[01:56] <abarbaccia> and only compile mythdvd
[01:56] <tseng> if i didnt, i could look like this
[01:56] <tseng> apt-cache show mythdvd | grep Source
[01:56] <tseng> Source: mythplugins
[01:56] <tseng> then apt-cache showsrc mythplugins
[01:56] <tseng> no
[01:56] <tseng> we are going to compile the whole mythplugins
[01:56] <tseng> its all or nothing
[01:57] <tseng> ubuntu doesnt work with binary packages
[01:57] <abarbaccia> okay
[01:57] <tseng> we work on the source package and upload that
[01:57] <tseng> it is built by a dedicated builder and then put on the mirrors
[01:57] <abarbaccia> but how is it broken down into multiple packages then
[01:57] <tseng> we fix the source
[01:57] <tseng> users get the binary
[01:57] <tseng> abarbaccia: by debian/control
[01:57] <abarbaccia> okay - still a little confused but i'll pick up on it as soon as we start going
[01:58] <tseng> yes lets look at it
[01:58] <tseng> did you get the source?
[01:59] <abarbaccia> haha - yea - if you do apt-get source mythdvd - it gets mythplugins
[01:59] <tuxedo_kamen> >_>
[01:59] <tseng> yes
[01:59] <tseng> its smart like that
[01:59] <abarbaccia> cool - alright - now i have the souce
[01:59] <tseng> but its good to understand the source vs binary w/o depending on that
[01:59] <tseng> ok
[01:59] <abarbaccia> yea
[01:59] <abarbaccia> i get it now
[01:59] <tseng> cd mythplugins-0.18.1
[01:59] <tseng> look at debian/control
[01:59] <tseng> and you will see more about the package splitting
[02:00] <abarbaccia> alright
[02:00] <abarbaccia> where is debian/control?
[02:00] <tseng> under mythplugins-0.18.1
[02:00] <tuxedo_kamen> listen, this is the third time, perhaps I am not explaining myself correctly...
[02:01] <abarbaccia> alright
[02:01] <tseng> tuxedo_kamen: im not sure what you want from us, if you want to be a software author be our guest
[02:02] <hub> how do I avoid regenerated auto* files to be diffed ?
[02:02] <abarbaccia> tseng, got it
[02:02] <tseng> hub: ugh
[02:02] <tuxedo_kamen> sometimes I work for random personal projects, and I wanted to offer some of them to ubuntu!
[02:03] <tseng> if you want to write code you might find some ideas http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/bounties/document_view
[02:03] <tseng> we work on packaging here, though
[02:03] <azeem> tuxedo_kamen: so what Free Software projects have you worked on/maintained so far?
[02:03] <tseng> abarbaccia: ok
[02:03] <tseng> abarbaccia: see build-depends?
[02:03] <abarbaccia> tseng - i got the whole control thing - its basically telling it how to break it down
[02:03] <abarbaccia> yes
[02:04] <tseng> this is what you are pointing at as "not on the maintainers system"
[02:04] <tseng> it really has nothing to do with the maintainers system but the chroot on the buildd
[02:04] <tseng> which will have ideally only a base system and the packages listed in Build-Depends
[02:04] <abarbaccia> right
[02:05] <tseng> so
[02:05] <abarbaccia> in this case, it has a little more, but not much - and it DOES have transcode
[02:05] <tseng> right
[02:05] <abarbaccia> so we need to add transcode to that list?
[02:05] <tseng> should we look at the hoary version?
[02:05] <abarbaccia> probably a good idea
[02:06] <abarbaccia> how/were can i get a copy for me?
[02:06] <tseng> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/graphics/mythdvd
[02:06] <tseng> i am going to click diff.gz at the very bottom
[02:06] <tseng> [mythdvd_0.17-2.diff.gz] 
[02:06] <tseng> and browse through it
[02:06] <tseng> it will be a diff applying the debian/ dir on top of upstream source
[02:06] <tseng> make sense?
[02:06] <tseng> its enough for what we want to find out
[02:07] <tseng> which is to see that transcode was not in build-depeneds for hoary either
[02:07] <tseng> so you are chasing the wrong tail
[02:07] <abarbaccia> i just saw that
[02:07] <tseng> great
[02:07] <abarbaccia> but i think that when it was compiled for 0.17 it was left out of the depends also - but whoever built it had transcode installed in their chroot
[02:08] <tseng> nope
[02:08] <abarbaccia> ?
[02:08] <tseng> i explained this already, "whoever" is an automated script that builds all packages
[02:08] <tuxedo_kamen> azeem, lots. The latest ones were: a program for getting tickets for an exhibition room and a pluging for an emulator
[02:08] <tseng> in a clean chroot
[02:08] <tseng> things dont accidentally appear in there
[02:08] <tseng> you'll have to come up with another idea
[02:09] <tseng> i can give you one more thing to look at
[02:09] <abarbaccia> okay
[02:09] <tseng> on the packages.ubuntu.com page
[02:09] <tseng> download all the dsc, orig.tar.gz and the diff.gz to the same dir as you did apt-get source
[02:09] <tseng> this is the source package components from hoary
[02:09] <tseng> we are going to compare them with debdiff
[02:09] <tseng> make sense so far?
[02:10] <abarbaccia> yea
[02:10] <abarbaccia> whats debdiff
[02:10] <tseng> great
[02:10] <abarbaccia> the diff from the debian sources?
[02:10] <tseng> yes
[02:10] <tseng> its in the package 'devscripts;
[02:10] <tseng> if you could install it
[02:10] <abarbaccia> okay
[02:11] <abarbaccia> first things first
[02:11] <abarbaccia> download those three things to my source dir
[02:11] <tseng> oh crap
[02:11] <abarbaccia> ...
[02:11] <tseng> mythdvd 0.17 was its own package
[02:11] <tseng> 0.18 made the first giant mythplugins
[02:11] <abarbaccia> well, thats because .
[02:11] <abarbaccia> yea
[02:11] <abarbaccia> what you just said
[02:11] <hub> tseng: do you know how to exclude some files from the diff?
[02:11] <tseng> so its pointless to debdiff
[02:11] <abarbaccia> right, because its completely different
[02:12] <tseng> ok another good lesson to learn here
[02:12] <tseng> if you have all the source components, dsc, diff.gz, orig
[02:12] <tseng> you can do dpkg-source -x foo.dsc
[02:12] <tseng> to unpack it
[02:12] <tseng> then you can cd into that and poke around in debian/
[02:12] <abarbaccia> very cool
[02:12] <tseng> see if you see anything
[02:12] <tseng> hub: hm
[02:12] <abarbaccia> should i do that
[02:13] <tseng> yes
[02:13] <Kyral> How do I package something as non-native?
[02:13] <abarbaccia> u just gotta give me time - i'm doing this via SSH + VNC to my myth box! lol
[02:14] <tseng> abarbaccia: oh
[02:14] <tseng> abarbaccia: http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=50
[02:14] <tseng> :D
[02:14] <tseng> VNC sucks
[02:14] <tseng> be happy, use xephyr
[02:14] <Kyral> FreeNX :D
[02:15] <abarbaccia> pretty nifty - when i have time. i'll make the switch - u got bookmarked
[02:15] <tseng> great
[02:18] <mbreit> night all
[02:20] <Kyral> Finally getting around to building PBuilder
[02:20] <abarbaccia> tseng, okay so it says it doesnt depend on transcode either
[02:21] <abarbaccia> tseng, why else would mtd give this error message?  main.o: mtd was built without transcode support. It won't do anything.
[02:21] <Kyral> How long should this take...
[02:23] <Kyral> I: Checking component main on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu...
[02:23] <Kyral>  <---How long should this take anyway...
[02:24] <crimsun> as long as it takes to download the packages.
[02:24] <Kyral> yah just saw it start to flash past
[02:26] <hub> tseng: I just don't want him to diff aclocal.m4
[02:27] <Kyral> stabbity pbuilder
[02:27] <Kyral> its trying to invoke Prelink
[02:31] <tseng> abarbaccia: you are certain there was no problem before?
[02:31] <tseng> abarbaccia: and there is no upstream code change?
[02:31] <abarbaccia> yes i am absolutly positive
[02:31] <abarbaccia> i've made about 15 of these boxes
[02:31] <abarbaccia> all with hoary
[02:31] <abarbaccia> breezy followed suite - everything works - minus the mtd without transcode
[02:32] <tseng> abarbaccia: and there is no upstream code change? ...
[02:32] <tseng> seriously, i am pretty sure you are barking up the wrong tree
[02:32] <tseng> please investigate further and get back to me
[02:32] <abarbaccia> tseng - how bout this
[02:32] <tseng> there is seemingly no change in the package
[02:32] <abarbaccia> we compile on my system with mtd and transcode
[02:32] <abarbaccia> if it works, then it works
[02:32] <abarbaccia> we save the package and when mdz gives the final word, we go from there?
[02:33] <tseng> you are still not understanding
[02:33] <tseng> if you want to make a change, the packages on your system are absolutely irrelevant
[02:33] <tseng> if you want to add a build-dep, add a build-dep
[02:34] <abarbaccia> well in mythtv-users they are saying if you build the package mythplugins without --enable-transcode it will do that
[02:34] <tseng> but your test sounds fair enough
[02:34] <abarbaccia> alright
[02:35] <slomo> transcode build-depend will move the package to multiverse if it isn't already
[02:35] <abarbaccia> so now i have the source
[02:35] <tseng> um
[02:35] <tseng> no one users --enable-transcode
[02:35] <tseng> afaict
[02:35] <tseng> could *that* have anything to do with this?
[02:35] <tseng> i would think so
[02:35] <abarbaccia> what do you mean
[02:35] <abarbaccia> slomo, it is in multiverse
[02:35] <tseng> please look at debian/rules
[02:35] <tseng> where configure is called
[02:35] <tseng>     $(CCVARS) ./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-opengl --disable-mythgame --disable-mythphone --enable-mythgallery --enable-mythmusic --enable-mythbrowser --enable-aac --enable-fftw --compile-type=debug
[02:36] <abarbaccia> shoot- so did that change is the question
[02:36] <tseng> it doesnt call it in 0.17 either
[02:36] <tseng> i asked you to look at this sort of thing
[02:36] <abarbaccia> but maybe configure is different now that its a different package
[02:36] <abarbaccia> i am really new to this whole thing
[02:36] <tseng> it very well may be
[02:37] <tseng> which would make alot more sense than phantom packages appearing in a chroot
[02:37] <abarbaccia> lol
[02:37] <tseng> and then disappearing in the breezy cycle
[02:37] <tseng> :)
[02:37] <abarbaccia> okay - so lets take this path
[02:38] <tseng> have you mailed mdz
[02:38] <abarbaccia> yes
[02:38] <tseng> hm i thought you would copy me
[02:38] <tseng> ok
[02:38] <bddebian> Hmm, is libxp-dev broken?
[02:38] <abarbaccia> sorry
[02:39] <abarbaccia> so i changed the rules
[02:39] <tseng> ok so
[02:39] <tseng> both configure scripts default transcode to "no"
[02:39] <abarbaccia> which is probably different from before - so that owuld make all the difference right ther
[02:40] <tseng> i did say both
[02:40] <abarbaccia> oh
[02:40] <abarbaccia> but the question is - the 0.17 package - did it have --enable-transcode in the rules?
[02:40] <tseng> no
[02:40] <tseng> ive said this also
[02:41] <Kyral> how do I make a non-native package?
[02:41] <tseng> now let me ask you this to be sure
[02:41] <tseng> you installed mythdvd from hoary from archive.ubuntu.com
[02:41] <abarbaccia> yes
[02:41] <tseng> or from mdz's home or somewhere else?
[02:42] <abarbaccia> only straight ubuntu sources
[02:42] <abarbaccia> from archive.ubuntu.com
[02:42] <tseng> ok then im failing to see what you are talking about
[02:43] <abarbaccia> i'm confused because this was not a problem with the hoary build
[02:43] <tseng> im confused too
[02:44] <tseng> but ive been over every part of the package with you
[02:44] <tseng> agree?
[02:44] <abarbaccia> you would know better than i would - but yes, it seeems like nothing has changed on the packaging end
[02:44] <abarbaccia> but i know that it works because there are plenty of people that use it
[02:44] <tseng> if you can find something, id be happy to translate it into the package with you
[02:44] <abarbaccia> if we use --enable-transcode and build this package and it works...
[02:44] <tseng> but breezy is very close to closing
[02:45] <tseng> im sure it does
[02:45] <tseng> but thats a question for mdz imo
[02:45] <tseng> i dont like to make big changes to other peoples packages w/o a quick nod
[02:46] <bddebian> doko_: You around?
[02:46] <abarbaccia> well, could you show me how to build it now and we won't do anything with it unless he says okay?  you say he's busy so he probably doesn't want to be bothered with repackaging
[02:46] <azeem> it's 2:40 AM in germany
[02:46] <tseng> abarbaccia: ok
[02:46] <bddebian> azeem: So WTH are you doing up? ;-)
[02:46] <azeem> mopac!
[02:46] <azeem> and it's all your fault!
[02:46] <bddebian> Heh, are you serious?
[02:46] <tseng> abarbaccia: from the top of the source dir
[02:47] <tseng> abarbaccia: dch -i
[02:47] <tseng> this will give you $EDITOR
[02:47] <tseng> probably nano
[02:47] <azeem> latest mopac only compiles with gcc-3.2, which everybody dropped by now
[02:47] <tseng> write a changelog entry for your changes
[02:47] <tseng> save and quit
[02:47] <bddebian> azeem: Oh man :-(
[02:47] <tseng> then dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot
[02:47] <azeem> well, compiles but probably generates wrong code, but oh well
[02:47] <bddebian> heh
[02:47] <tseng> that will give you a source package
[02:47] <tseng> drop the -S and it will build a binary
[02:47] <bddebian> azeem: Hey, you don't happen to know Ada do you? :-)
[02:48] <azeem> no
[02:48] <tseng> id prefer you build it with pbuilder
[02:48] <abarbaccia> dch not found!! tseng
[02:48] <bddebian> abarbaccia: apt-get install devscripts
[02:48] <tseng> apt-get install devscripts
[02:48] <tseng> bddebian: YHARRRRRRRRRRRRRRr
[02:48] <tseng> bddebian: hugs
[02:48] <bddebian> :-)
[02:49] <Kyral> grr.
[02:49] <Kyral> Why does it keep saying its a Debian Native package?S
[02:49] <ajmitch> Kyral: missing orig.tar.gz
[02:49] <hub> Kyral: wromg .orig tarball
[02:50] <ajmitch> or at least one with the wrong name
[02:50] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[02:50] <Kyral> I've completely annilated the Build-ArchDep things
[02:50] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[02:50] <Kyral> iiAck I think i deleted the .orig.tar.gz
[02:50] <Kyral> by accident
[02:51] <ajmitch> that is not a wise thing to do
[02:52] <Kyral> I mean I have the sourceball that it CAME from
[02:53] <Kyral> ie, the thing I invoked dh_make on
[02:53] <abarbaccia> tseng, fakeroot command not found
[02:53] <tseng> apt-get install fakeroot?
[02:53] <tseng> :P
[02:53] <abarbaccia> im just gonna try before i ask from now on
[02:53] <abarbaccia> lol
[02:53] <tseng> also a good idea is apt-get install build-essential dpkg-dev
[02:53] <bddebian> Good plan :-)
[02:54] <tseng> abarbaccia: apt-cache search is your friend
[02:54] <abarbaccia> tseng, unmet build dependencies - should i install them (they are the -dev packages)
[02:54] <tseng> apt-get build-dep mythplugins
[02:54] <bddebian> abarbaccia: apt-get build-dep ...
[02:54] <Kyral> ....would it complain if the major version changed
[02:54] <tseng> Kyral: yes.
[02:55] <Kyral> okay.
[02:55] <tseng> well not complain
[02:55] <tseng> but fail to do anything useful
[02:55] <Kyral> Then I should change the name of the tarball to the major version now?
[02:55] <tseng> the tarball name should match the changelog
[02:55] <doko_> bddebian: ?
[02:55] <tseng> fix one.
[02:56] <Kyral> grr. stop making native packages!
[02:58] <bddebian> doko: Do you know Ada?
[02:59] <doko> bddebian: send me an email with your question
[03:01] <Kyral> Jeez, why don't it upload the orig.tar.gz
[03:03] <abarbaccia> tseng, his response: Please file a bug in Malone, thanks.
[03:03] <tseng> works for me
[03:04] <abarbaccia> is that a "its okay to fix it yourself"
[03:05] <tseng> im not sure what you asked him
[03:05] <abarbaccia> whats your email
[03:05] <abarbaccia> i'll foward to you
[03:05] <tseng> brandon@ubuntu.com
[03:05] <tseng> i can help you make a patch
[03:05] <tseng> and you can attach it to the bug
[03:05] <tseng> ok..?
[03:05] <abarbaccia> sure!
[03:06] <abarbaccia> lets find out if it works first tho
[03:06] <tseng> i will help you make the patch
[03:06] <tseng> you will find out if it works while i am nicely sleeping
[03:06] <tseng> here we go
[03:06] <tseng> in mythplugins source
[03:06] <tseng> edit debian/control
[03:06] <tseng> add transcode to build-depends
[03:07] <tseng> edit debian/rules
[03:07] <tseng> add  --enable-transcode to configure
[03:07] <tseng> dch -i
[03:07] <tseng> make that changelog
[03:07] <tseng> dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot
[03:07] <tseng> cd ..
[03:07] <ajmitch> doko: I'm running into the zope3 bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=332845 here, are we going to get 3.1.0-2 ?
[03:07] <bddebian> Shouldn't -Werror stop this damn thing from dumping out on warnings?
[03:07] <tseng> debdiff myth...0.8-...dsc myth...0.8-newone...dsc
[03:07] <doko> ajmitch: yes
[03:07] <tseng> there is your patch
[03:08] <ajmitch> ok
[03:10] <abarbaccia> tseng where do i submit a bug and how do i upload the patch?
[03:11] <tseng> launchpad.net/malone
[03:11] <abarbaccia> okay
[03:11] <abarbaccia> and finally which is the patch - the .diff correct?
[03:11] <tseng> no
[03:11] <tseng> you did debdiff?
[03:11] <abarbaccia> yes
[03:11] <tseng> if it looks ok
[03:11] <abarbaccia> source.changes
[03:12] <tseng> redirect it to a file
[03:12] <abarbaccia> oh
[03:12] <abarbaccia> alright
[03:12] <tseng> debdiff blah blah > foo.diff
[03:12] <abarbaccia> any conventional naming?
[03:12] <tseng> thats what you want to attach
[03:12] <tseng> i would say.. mythplugins-0.180transcode.diff
[03:12] <tseng> just me
[03:12] <tseng> nothing special
[03:12] <abarbaccia> alright great
[03:12] <abarbaccia> thanks for your help
[03:12] <abarbaccia> and how do i see if this patch works
[03:13] <abarbaccia> and how do i patch my packages?
[03:13] <tseng> you already made the changes to the package
[03:13] <Kyral> this is very irritating
[03:13] <tseng> the diff is just for mdz
[03:13] <abarbaccia> well, to the source correct?
[03:13] <tseng> yes
[03:13] <Kyral> I have half a mind to wipe out the debian dir and remake it
[03:13] <abarbaccia> i need to rebuild the package
[03:14] <tseng> to build it do dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot in the source package
[03:14] <tseng> it will build binaries
[03:14] <abarbaccia> then just dpkg -i ?
[03:14] <tseng> sure
[03:14] <abarbaccia> awesome
[03:14] <abarbaccia> lemme upload the patch and we are golden
[03:14] <abarbaccia> thanks for all your help / teaching
[03:14] <tseng> test first upload second
[03:15] <Kyral> Okay, new try
[03:15] <Kyral> gonna smack down the current build and start dh_make from scratch :D
[03:16] <tseng> abarbaccia: do you use ivtv btw
[03:27] <Kyral> finally got it to upload the orig.tar.gz
[03:32] <Kyral> .../me stabs lintain
[03:32] <Kyral> thing picked up on a case error. I put "All" as arch in control instead of "all"
[03:38] <abarbaccia> tseng, yes i do
[03:39] <abarbaccia> tseng, you need help with it?
[03:40] <tseng> abarbaccia: i have used it off and on a long time
[03:40] <abarbaccia> tseng, its come a very long way
[03:40] <tseng> abarbaccia: 0.4.0 isnt treating me very nicely
[03:40] <abarbaccia> why do you need to use such a bleeding edge version?
[03:41] <abarbaccia> what chipset/card are you using
[03:41] <tseng> because its the latest stable according to the website
[03:41] <abarbaccia> ??
[03:41] <abarbaccia> hold on
[03:41] <tseng> i have a pvr 250
[03:41] <abarbaccia> thats what i'm using
[03:42] <abarbaccia> but i use 0.2.x
[03:42] <tseng> yeah
[03:42] <tseng> ill probably get that later
[03:42] <abarbaccia> wait - 0.4 isnt even out
[03:42] <Kyral> .....can someone with REVU admin move my orig.tar.gz over to the fixed submission I made...
[03:42] <abarbaccia> you mean 0.3
[03:42] <tseng> abarbaccia: ...
[03:42] <tseng> abarbaccia: hang on
[03:42] <abarbaccia> tseng - not to plug, but this'll work for you http://www.abarbaccia.com/content/view/19/31/
[03:42] <tseng> abarbaccia: http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Main_Page
[03:43] <tseng>     ivtv stable version 0.4.0 released (ChangeLog). This replaces the old 0.2.0 stable release. A new 0.4 branch is opened in the Subversion repository. The Subversion trunk now contains the 0.5 unstable series.
[03:43] <abarbaccia> wow
[03:43] <tseng> i know how to install it
[03:43] <tseng> but it flakes out
[03:43] <tseng> ill look another day, its late
[03:43] <abarbaccia> alright - well i would use the 0.2 that i link to off my site
[03:43] <abarbaccia> yea
[03:43] <Kyral> Linda is being stupid...
[03:43] <abarbaccia> nite - thanks again for the help
[03:44] <tseng> np
[03:44] <ajmitch> gar
[03:44] <ajmitch> people that reopen bugs I confirmed are fixed..
[03:45] <Kyral> mitch can you help me
[03:45] <Kyral> this is realllly trying my patience...
[03:45] <ajmitch> with what? you haven't asked any real questions lately
[03:46] <Kyral> No, I have the package perfect
[03:46] <Kyral> I even got the orig.tar.gz to upload
[03:46] <Kyral> 'cept I made a typo in the control that causes lintain to freak on REVU
[03:46] <crimsun> (lintian?)
[03:46] <Kyral> yah yah
[03:46] <Kyral> I can't spell without tab-complete
[03:47] <Kyral> anyway, I fixed it and reuploaded. Now Linda complains that the orig.tar.gz isn't there...
[03:49] <tseng> did you dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa?
[03:49] <Kyral> yup
[03:49] <tseng> or just -S
[03:49] <Kyral> dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot
[03:49] <tseng> rock on
[03:49] <Kyral> then dput as normal
[03:49] <Kyral> and it didn't decide to upload the orig like it did the first time...
[03:50] <Kyral> Is there a way I can manually put my orig in the dir?
[03:51] <Kyral> or can someone move it from the one at 21:30 to the new one
[03:59] <Kyral> I think I'm gonna go bed soon....long day...
[03:59] <Kyral> sorry for my bitching ;P
[04:02] <bddebian> Any amd64 folks awake? :-)
[04:02] <Kyral> a tired AthlonXP folk, does that count?
[04:02] <Kyral> ;P
[04:04] <bddebian> Kyral: Nah, go to bed :-)
[04:05] <Kyral> In an hour...
[04:05] <Kyral> I'll battle REVU tomarrow ;P
[04:05] <Kyral> Now I'm just screwing with my GNOME Theme :D
[04:36] <bipolar> bddebian, ping
[04:41] <bddebian> Yo
[04:54] <bob2> bddebian: I don't see that bug report about the lyx xml thing?
[04:54] <bipolar> bddebian, just want to thank you for your work on gnucash. works great :)
[04:57] <bddebian> bipolar: Really?
[04:57] <bddebian> bob2: It was on Malone and I closed it.
[04:58] <bob2> bddebian: I thought you folks sent patches for things like that to Debian?
[04:58] <bddebian> bob2: I don't know that it would work with Debian but I would be glad too
[04:59] <Lathiat> bob2: there will probably be a mass patch sending effort post breezy
[05:01] <bddebian> Lathiat: Did you ever try any more with boson-base?
[05:02] <Lathiat> bddebian: no
[05:04] <ajmitch> Lathiat: I've constantly asked for a mass patch sending, but it never happens :P
[05:05] <bipolar> bddebian, yep. back up and running after upgrading from horry
[05:07] <bddebian> bipolar_ZzZzzz: Cool, thanks
[06:21] <hub> ajmitch: still alive?
[06:21] <ajmitch> yes
[06:21] <hub> I have a C# exception for autopano-sift and I have no idea what is going on
[06:22] <hub> and I would like to have that fixed for the ubuntu package
[06:22] <hub> upstream hasn't replied yet
[06:23] <hub> http://pastebin.com/389816
[06:24] <hub> ajmitch: it does it with either my build or the pre-build cli binaries
[06:24] <hub> :-/
[06:25] <ajmitch> I'll have a quick look
[06:25] <hub> ok thx
[06:25] <hub> if you can point me in the direction
[06:25] <hub> maybe shoudl just learn mono
[06:25] <hub> it would simplier if I could just gdb....
[06:26] <ajmitch> I guess you should just check what parameters are getting passed through
[06:30] <ajmitch> #mono on irc.gimp.org is probably a far better help than I can be
[06:31] <LaserJock> is bddebian alive?
[06:31] <crimsun> asleep.
[06:33] <bddebian> Yo
[06:33] <ajmitch> LaserJock: omnipotent beings like bddebian don't sleep
[06:33] <bddebian> Heh
[06:36] <whiprush> wow, I see dholbach didn't take too long to package up tango.
[06:36] <ajmitch> he probably had the inside word
[06:36] <whiprush> so dude at the summit we watched jimmac whip up a tango icon
[06:36] <whiprush> it was amazing.
[06:37] <ajmitch> tseng said andyfitz was showing some stuff off at UDU
[06:38] <whiprush> yeah
[06:42] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[07:26] <Trashcan> gahhhhhh tell me
[07:26] <Trashcan> sorry.. wrong window
[07:45] <hub> ajmitch: thx
[07:45] <hub> ajmitch: last time they were not really helpful
[07:46] <\sh> moins guys
[07:46] <ajmitch> hi \sh
[07:47] <\sh> hey ajmitch
[07:47] <\sh> ajmitch: did u fix libofx?
[07:47] <\sh> ;)
[07:47] <ajmitch> no
[07:47] <ajmitch> I had to go to work :P
[07:47] <\sh> bah...and it looks like that I'm getting a cold
[07:48] <\sh> ajmitch: k...then I will do it later at office
[07:48] <ajmitch> ok
[07:48] <ajmitch> you deserve the glory of another upload ;)
[07:48] <ajmitch> well I did fix it
[07:48] <ajmitch> I just didn't test it :)
[07:48] <\sh> ajmitch: so replaces to Package: libofx2...and trying to move /usr/share/libofx/ to libofx-data?
[07:48] <\sh> ajmitch: ok...then I leave it to you.
[07:48] <\sh> I'm really in upload mood ,-)
[07:49] <ajmitch> since it'd introduce a new binary package
[07:49] <\sh> I'm not really in upload mood even
[07:50] <ajmitch> ok, fresh & tasty bzr 0.1 debs, thanks to bob2
[07:51] <\sh> wow...so many package updates..linux-image, Thunderbird, ssh ... I hope they don't break my system
[07:51] <ajmitch> yeah
[07:51] <siretart> according to changelogs they look sane..
[07:51] <siretart> ajmitch: can we have them in breezy?
[07:52] <siretart> morning folks
[07:52] <\sh> moins siretart
[07:52] <ajmitch> siretart: of course we will
[07:52] <ajmitch> siretart: it's a sabdfl request to get them in
[07:52] <siretart> w00t! :)
[07:52] <ajmitch> so thank the bzr developers for working hard to get 0.1 ready in time for breezy
[07:53] <siretart> great. now searching breakfest
[07:53] <bob2> jbailey: you might want to look at my 0.1 packages for your snapshots
[07:53] <\sh> i had mine
[07:53] <ajmitch> bob2: they install clean, I'll upload asap
[07:53] <bob2> yay
[07:53] <bob2> they're even lintian and linda clean now ;)
[07:54] <ajmitch> thanks to overrides ;)
[07:55] <bob2> well, yeah, I blame lifeless
[07:55] <bob2> who's in here, dang
[07:55] <ajmitch> heh
[07:57] <ajmitch> yay my debian chroot is playing nasty
[07:58] <ajmitch> or more correctly, the nz debian mirror I was using turned bad
[07:58] <bob2> hah
[07:58] <\sh> well..I think it's time to shower...and hitting slowly the office
[07:59] <bob2> my isp seems to run the only non-broken .au mirror, fortunately
[07:59] <ajmitch> never trust servers run by telecom :)
[07:59] <bob2> tho it still lages
[08:00] <bob2> hah
[08:00] <bob2> it takes 9seconds on my desktop, but about 97 years on my laptop
[08:01] <ajmitch> dput running to debian...
[08:01] <ajmitch> we'll see how long it takes to get to incoming
[08:01] <bob2> yay, thanks a lot
[08:01] <bob2> remind me to buy you a beer at lca :)
[08:02] <ajmitch> right, so you definitely have to come to LCA now :)
[08:08] <ajmitch> bob2: tell me when you get the mail from the upload
[08:09] <bob2> my mail server is down today, sadly
[08:09] <bob2> so I'll just be obsessively reloading http://incoming.d.o
[08:09] <ajmitch> yeah, that's what I'm doing :)
[08:10] <lifeless> bob2: xif your liam server
[08:10] <lifeless> win 17
[08:10] <bob2> wtf
[08:14] <siretart> okay, /me off to uni. cu guys!
[08:18] <\sh> siretart: hf
[08:22] <bob2> ajmitch: in
[08:22] <bob2> (thanks again!)
[08:22] <ajmitch> yay
[08:23] <ajmitch> will ask for sync asap
[08:23] <\sh> CaiN_SA: that will be hard to learn packaging and releasing on the 13th
[08:24] <CaiN_SA> i know sh
[08:25] <CaiN_SA> sh you see the problem
[08:25] <\sh> so u have to learn fast :) or u tell us what package u need
[08:25] <ajmitch> why do you
[08:25] <ajmitch> sorry
[08:25] <ajmitch> why do you need to have something out the same day as breezy?
[08:25] <ajmitch> and why are you just starting now? :)
[08:26] <\sh> anyways..I'll have to rush to office first, before I'm available to answer any questions :) cu in at least 60 mins
[08:27] <CaiN_SA> sh dude ne
[08:27] <CaiN_SA> ill tell you the problem
[08:27] <CaiN_SA> i have to make : impi-artwork-usplash
[08:27] <ajmitch> ah
[08:27] <CaiN_SA> but i can do this
[08:27] <ajmitch> you're one of the impilinux devs?
[08:27] <CaiN_SA> i just use the kubuntu's stuff
[08:27] <CaiN_SA> yes ajmitch
[08:28] <CaiN_SA> but when i last used the build commands
[08:28] <CaiN_SA> it said : $dir/DEBIAN not found
[08:28] <CaiN_SA> ajmitch, im the only one ;p
[08:28] <ajmitch> how were you trying to build it?
[08:28] <CaiN_SA> erm
[08:28] <CaiN_SA> lemme try and remember
[08:29] <CaiN_SA> dpkg -b
[08:29] <ajmitch> use dpkg-buildpackage
[08:29] <CaiN_SA> ah
[08:29] <ajmitch> and work from the kubuntu-artwork source package
[08:29] <CaiN_SA> see the tutorials on the net sais to use dpkg -b
[08:29] <CaiN_SA> yeh
[08:29] <CaiN_SA> then i dont have to make a control file etc
[08:30] <CaiN_SA> i just edit it
[08:30] <ajmitch> only if you were trying to manually reassemble a binary package  :)
[08:30] <ajmitch> you really want to modify the kubuntu-artwork control file, etc
[08:30] <ajmitch> so that you get the package names correct
[08:30] <bob2> what is "impilinux", anyway?
[08:31] <CaiN_SA> erm lol
[08:31] <CaiN_SA> yeh ajmitch
[08:31] <CaiN_SA> impilinux is a south african flavour of ubuntu
[08:31] <CaiN_SA> it belongs to mark
[08:32] <ajmitch> bob2: http://www.tectonic.co.za/view.php?id=631 :)
[08:32] <CaiN_SA> thus ubuntu and i work for the same person
[08:32] <ajmitch> well a lot of us ubuntu devs don't work for canonical :)
[08:33] <bob2> CaiN_SA: you're a paid developer on impilinux?
[08:33] <CaiN_SA> yes
[08:34] <CaiN_SA> bob2, only reason i asked you so much is because the problems where ubuntu specific
[08:34] <ajmitch> CaiN_SA: you have a source package to work from now?
[08:35] <CaiN_SA> ya
[08:35] <CaiN_SA> had one all the time
[08:35] <CaiN_SA> didnt know how to get it to build
[08:35] <ajmitch> right :)
[09:00] <lifeless> CaiN_SA: welcome to the ubuntu family then :)
[09:01] <CaiN_SA> thanks lifeless
[09:02] <mbreit> good morning!
[09:02] <mbreit> someone with an up-to-date x86 pbuilder in here?
[09:03] <ajmitch> how up-to-date do you need?
[09:03] <mbreit> about 2:00 GMT ;)
[09:04] <mbreit> (or newer of course)
[09:05] <ajmitch> I can update now, what do you need tested?
[09:05] <mbreit> just an apt-get install helix-player and look if it still throws some errors...
[09:05] <mbreit> i should have fixed that but since i have no x86 pbuilder, i can't test it
[09:06] <ajmitch> ah
[09:06] <ajmitch> why would I need to do that in pbuilder then? :)
[09:07] <mbreit> because the error only occurs when there's no mozilla or firefox installed ;)
[09:08] <bob2> sbuild 4 lyf
[09:08] <mbreit> a chroot is good as well (as long as there is no mozilla AND no mozilla plugins)
[09:08] <ajmitch> bob2: yeah, I should set that up :)
[09:09] <crimsun> rawr.
[09:09] <ajmitch> hey crimsun
[09:09] <mbreit> ajmitch: important is that /usr/lib/mozilla[-firefox] /{plugins,components} does not exist
[09:10] <crimsun> heya ajmitch
[09:10] <ajmitch> mbreit: it installed fine
[09:10] <mbreit> ajmitch: fine, thanks!!
[09:14] <\sh> re
[09:14] <\sh> wow...nice...I just got a d-link airplus g+ pcmcia wlan card as a present
[09:14] <\sh> which is working on this nifty nc6000
[09:14] <ajmitch> great
[09:14] <ajmitch> madwifi?
[09:15] <CaiN_SA> guys i have a hp nx 8220 here but the ubuntu installer doesnt run
[09:15] <CaiN_SA> what can i do
[09:15] <bob2> "doesn't run"?
[09:15] <CaiN_SA> i need ubuntu on yesterday
[09:15] <CaiN_SA> yes
[09:15] <CaiN_SA> screen goes blank
[09:15] <bob2> you need to provide a lot more detail than that
[09:15] <CaiN_SA> but
[09:15] <bob2> the installer doesn't start at all?
[09:15] <CaiN_SA> i can see everything before it
[09:15] <CaiN_SA> yes
[09:15] <CaiN_SA> screen just goes off
[09:15] <bob2> no
[09:16] <CaiN_SA> just after all those hardware scans
[09:16] <bob2> dude
[09:16] <mbreit> hey \sh
[09:16] <bob2> you need to provide actual unambiguous detail
[09:16] <bob2> ie what screens do you go through?
[09:16] <CaiN_SA> like what
[09:16] <bob2> where does it stop?
[09:16] <CaiN_SA> hold
[09:16] <bob2> what's the last thing it says?
[09:16] <CaiN_SA> lemme look
[09:16] <bob2> what does the wiki say about your hardware?
[09:16] <Treenaks> how does it go off? (in one go, flickering, fading?)
[09:16] <\sh> ajmitch: wlan0 looks like...I have to check...
[09:16] <bob2> does noapic/acpi=off help?
[09:16] <bob2> what does google say?
[09:17] <ajmitch> there's a report on the LaptopTestingTeam page from janimo
[09:18] <ajmitch> no issues listed there tho
[09:19] <CaiN_SA> 1. even with acpi it does it
[09:19] <CaiN_SA> 2. last thing it sais : starting installation system
[09:20] <crimsun> sweet! dpkg-deb: building package `transcode' in `../transcode_1.0.1-0.0ubuntu1_amd64.deb'.
[09:20] <bob2> and noapic? and you're sure the CD is correct?
[09:20] <CaiN_SA> yescs is finer
[09:22] <CaiN_SA> noapic doens help
[09:22] <CaiN_SA> cant see problems on google
[09:22] <CaiN_SA> impi live cd works on it tho
[09:23] <bob2> you ran the "verify cd" stage of the installer and it went fine?
[09:23] <CaiN_SA> erm
[09:23] <CaiN_SA> it sais : starting installer
[09:23] <CaiN_SA> then it goes blank
[09:24] <CaiN_SA> or starting installation or sumthing
[09:24] <CaiN_SA> it goes past it to fast to see
[09:24] <bob2> dude
[09:24] <bob2> go verify the cd first
[09:24] <mbreit> \sh: i saw that you uploaded a new version of ickle some days ago... but I think that did not fix the unmet deps... did you see my fix for that on the unmet deps wiki-page?
[09:25] <CaiN_SA> bob2,
[09:25] <CaiN_SA> how i get there
[09:25] <CaiN_SA> if i cant see anything
[09:25] <bob2> CaiN_SA: verify the cd using another Linux system then
[09:25] <CaiN_SA> it works on another pc
[09:26] <CaiN_SA> i used that cd 1000000000x times
[09:26] <bob2> so you have checked it?
[09:26] <CaiN_SA> yes
[09:26] <CaiN_SA> installed it on other pc yesterday
[09:26] <bob2> you checked the md5sum of the .iso and the cd?
[09:27] <CaiN_SA> ok right
[09:27] <CaiN_SA> i used that same cd just now
[09:27] <CaiN_SA> and i works
[09:27] <CaiN_SA> just that pc
[09:27] <CaiN_SA>  that gives problems
[09:27] <bob2> so that's a "no"?
[09:28] <CaiN_SA> urg
[09:34] <CaiN_SA> bob2, while its getting the md5
[09:35] <CaiN_SA> you know how ubuntu makes mountpoints etc for memory sticks etc ?
[09:35] <bob2> same as every other modern distribution
[09:35] <CaiN_SA> cos my systems oneswent off
[09:35] <CaiN_SA> and i want to know what got removed
[09:35] <bob2> hal + udev + gnome-volume-manager
[09:35] <CaiN_SA> ah
[09:35] <bob2> install ubuntu-desktop
[09:35] <CaiN_SA> err no
[09:35] <CaiN_SA> impi = kde
[09:36] <CaiN_SA> ill just look for kde version
[09:36] <CaiN_SA> but thx nways
[09:36] <bob2> kde presumably has some equivalent C++ monstrosity
[09:37] <CaiN_SA> haha
[09:37] <lifeless> bob2: NOTHING is equivalent to kde's C++ monstrosities
[09:37] <ajmitch> thankfully
[09:52] <dholbach> hey everybody!
[09:52] <mbreit> hey daniel!
[09:52] <dholbach> moritz, how are you?
[09:54] <mbreit> dholbach: fine... all my exams are finally over... so i have finally some time for ubuntu...
[09:54] <dholbach> YES! :)
[09:54] <dholbach> i saw you were already busy on UniverseFTBFS
[09:54] <crimsun> right in time for the final rush, too :)
[09:55] <CaiN_SA> bob2, the md5sum looks fine, the live cd does the same thing tho
[09:56] <mbreit> dholbach: i tried to build helix-player on amd64... after one and a half hour i finished it and realized that it won't run on amd64 (it's not yet officialy been ported...) and i can't fix that.... ;)
[09:57] <dholbach> yeah, no problem, at least the i386 folks are happy :)
[09:58] <\sh> btw
[09:58] <\sh> Please request all syncs directly from elmo...he told me, that he would  like to have all syncs from the requester
[09:58] <\sh> -er+or
[10:00] <mbreit> \sh: did you get my line about ickle?
[10:01] <ajmitch> I hope he gets it in asap :)
[10:01] <\sh> mbreit: hmmm..no that I remember
[10:01] <mbreit> \sh: i saw that you uploaded a new version of ickle some days ago... but I think that did not fix the unmet deps... did you see my fix for that on the unmet deps wiki-page?
[10:02] <Tonio-> morning
[10:03] <\sh> mbreit: no...I'll check
[10:03] <mbreit> \sh: i did not upload the fix because i consider the way i fixed it "really broken", but it works ;))
[10:04] <\sh> hmmm
[10:04] <\sh> -Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4), libicq2000-dev (>= 0.3.2), libsigc++-dev (>= 1.0.0), libgtkmm-dev
[10:04] <\sh> +Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4), libicq2000-dev (= 0.3.2-3ubuntu1), libsigc++-dev (>= 1.0.0), libgtkmm-dev
[10:05] <mbreit> that's because it depends against exactly that version of libicq2000
[10:05] <\sh> why can't we loosen then build-deps to something >= 0.3.2-3
[10:06] <\sh> oh ok
[10:06] <ajmitch> because ickle deserves to be taken out back & shot
[10:06] <mbreit> \sh: it will not work with 0.3.2-3ubuntu2 or something... THAT's what is broken ;)
[10:06] <mbreit> ajmitch: it's not only ickle but it's debian maintainer... grrr
[10:06] <ajmitch> :)
[10:08] <\sh> we should take care about this shit after breezy ;)
[10:10] <mbreit> \sh: so should i just upload that broken fix? i mean... then it's at least installable and working ;)
[10:11] <\sh> mbreit: do it :)
[10:12] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: http://lca2006.linux.org.au/register/ :)
[10:12] <\sh> ah you have upload rights *g* I just build and test the stuff and was ready to sponsor your upload *g*
[10:12] <mbreit> I'll do it this evening... I have to go now... cya later
[10:12] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, woooo
[10:12] <jsgotangco> checking
[10:44] <sivang> Morning MOTUs
[10:45] <ajmitch> morning sivang
[10:47] <sivang> hey ajmitch , how are you?
[10:48] <ajmitch> I'm good, how are you?
[10:50] <sivang> ajmitch: fine, tired, I've realized I need to read to end the policy, not just parts that look "important" to me, in order to be able to MOTU a bit :)
[10:51] <ajmitch> hehe
[10:58] <janimo> markuman, ping
[11:30] <dholbach> Riddell: ping
[12:18] <Tonio-> dholbach: what would you add to the rules files if a qmake command is need for compilation ?
[12:18] <Treenaks> qmake?1
[12:19] <Tonio-> Treenaks: okay but what about the synthax ? would you have an example please ?
[12:19] <bob2> Tonio-: the build target isn't magic
[12:19] <bob2> Tonio-: just put whatever steps in there that you'd run if you were typing them in to the terminal manually
[12:20] <bob2> (if you don't know how to build it manually yet, you shouldn't be packaging it;)
[12:20] <ajmitch> bob2: so when are you going to sign up for hard work & slave labour in the MOTU gang?
[12:20] <bob2> hehe
[12:20] <Tonio-> bob2: before make ./configure && make && make install I simply have to perform a "qmake netgo-dev.pro"
[12:21] <ajmitch> Tonio-: then put that it
[12:21] <ajmitch> s/it/in/
[12:21] <bob2> Tonio-: then just put that on the line above ./configure
[12:21] <Tonio-> using a cdbs patch I assume :)
[12:21] <bob2> no
[12:21] <bob2> the build: target literally just lists the steps you need to run to build it
[12:23] <Tonio-> bob2: maybe I should have said that before : I know what to do in a normal case, but if I use cdbs....
[12:23] <bob2> Tonio-: a, you need to hook into cdbs then
[12:24] <bob2> I guess common-configure-arch
[12:24] <Tonio-> okay I'l have a look
[12:24] <Tonio-> bob2: thanks
[12:25] <bob2> hm, tho none of the hooks look obviously correct
[12:25] <ajmitch> reason #862 to love cdbs :)
[12:26] <bob2> how widespread is cdbs among things packaged by motu?
[12:26] <ajmitch> fairly widespread
[12:38] <tseng> bob2: i would venture to say that a majority of gnome stuff uses cdbs
[12:38] <tseng> bob2: on account of it taking about 5 minutes to do something useful
[12:38] <bob2> yeah
[12:42] <ajmitch> night all
[12:43] <bob2> adios
[12:47] <Riddell> dholbach: pong
[12:48] <dholbach> Riddell: i suppose you were to busy to track down the rpath stuff on amd64? would you agree  that's it rather a problem with qt/kde/their-buildsystem?
[12:49] <dholbach> because it occured in quite a couple of packages
[12:50] <Riddell> dholbach: wibble.  my lovely new amd64 decided to die last night
[12:51] <Riddell> so I'm now in a process of mourning
[12:51] <dholbach> OUCH
[12:51] <dholbach> how did you break it?
[12:52] <jbailey> bob2: Will do.  What changed?
[12:52] <bob2> jbailey: builds he man page, runs the test suite
[12:53] <ajmitch> jeff! :)
[12:53] <jbailey> bob2: Cool!
[12:53] <jbailey> Heya Andrew! =)
[12:53] <ajmitch> jbailey: bzr is in debian & ubuntu now\
[12:53] <bob2> jbailey: (ajmitch uploaded 0.1 to debian earlier)
[12:54] <ajmitch> (0.1, that is)
[12:54] <ajmitch> bob2: and I uploaded to breezy
[12:54] <Riddell> dholbach: no idea, one minute it was happily compiling away the next dead to the world never to be recovered
[12:54] <bob2> oh, rock
[12:54] <jbailey> ajmitch: Lovely.  Was bzr ACCEPTed?
[12:54] <ajmitch> jbailey: yes
[12:54] <Riddell> I don't know if it's the power supply or what that's broken
[12:54] <dholbach> Riddell: you should talk to mvo... he had nearly the same amd64 woes
[12:54] <jbailey> ajmitch: Thanks
[12:55] <ajmitch> happy to help
[12:55] <jbailey> bob2: Cool.  I'll take a look at that as soon as I'm finshed ubuntu-docs
[12:55] <ajmitch> ok, now I should depart for sleep, farewell
[12:55] <jbailey> g'n =)
[12:55] <ajmitch> ah, kinnison announced it..
[12:55] <bob2> dinstall's in like 8hours, right?
[12:55] <dholbach> ajmitch: how late is it at your place?
[12:56] <ajmitch> all uploads for dapper will be via launchpad, so MOTUs must have a launchpad account with their gpg key on it
[12:56] <ajmitch> dholbach: midnight
[12:56] <koke> hey, I've just seen the motu ruby team :)
[12:56] <koke> rocks ;)
[12:56] <ajmitch> hye koke
[12:56] <dholbach> koke: ! :)
[12:57] <dholbach> ajmitch: then sleep tight :)
[12:57] <koke> I'm now working full-time with rubyonrails, so I guess I'll be able to help there
[12:57] <dholbach> koke: then add yourself to the team's list... they will be delighted
[12:57] <bob2> does rails include implicit form validation?
[12:59] <koke> bob2: more or less.. yep
[12:59] <koke> http://api.rubyonrails.org/classes/ActiveRecord/Validations/ClassMethods.html
[01:00] <koke> I don't like rubygems at all but should be possible to convert gems to debs
[01:00] <koke> bob2: but I learnt rails in one week and I can't do anything with zope :)
[01:01] <koke> maybe it's a doc problem :)
[01:01] <bob2> yeah, true
[01:01] <bob2> zope3, anyway.  zope2 is too scary to use.
[01:02] <koke> anyway, zope templates scare me :P
[01:02] <bob2> they're scary, but it really is the most elegant way I've seen to do templating
[01:31] <CaiN_SA> which window manager is best to use
[01:31] <CaiN_SA> when you want to run an app
[01:32] <CaiN_SA> from startx and still have support for window management
[01:32] <Treenaks> CaiN_SA: you can start gnome-session from there
[01:32] <Treenaks> or metacity
[01:32] <Treenaks> or ANY other window manager you like
[01:33] <CaiN_SA> ya but say i use metacity
[01:33] <janimo> Treeenaks, did you get around to trying the sound on resume thing?
[01:33] <CaiN_SA> i want to run something like this : startx metacity programtorinit
[01:36] <Treenaks> janimo: oh sh.t.. forgot
[01:36] <janimo> Treenaks np
[01:36] <Treenaks> CaiN_SA: create a .xinitrc (.xsession?)
[01:36] <janimo> I haven't debuuged it yet
[01:39] <CaiN_SA> ya Treenaks just remembered
[01:53] <Diablo_D3> hey all.
[01:53] <Diablo_D3> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/realtime-lsm/+bug/2092/
[01:54] <Diablo_D3> I wonder if that could be possibly considered a very very very very bad bug that needs to be fixed before release ;)
[01:57] <dholbach> if it doesnt just work, i daresay we won't have the manpower.
[01:58] <dholbach> bbl
[02:27] <crimsun> score!
[02:27] <Diablo_D3> crimsun is no longer a virgin?
[02:27] <crimsun> dpkg-deb: building package `wxvlc' in `../wxvlc_0.8.4-svn20050920-3+hal0ubuntu1_amd64.deb'.
[02:27] <Diablo_D3> wxvlc didnt build on amd64 before?
[02:27] <crimsun> god no
[02:28] <Diablo_D3> hah
[02:28] <Diablo_D3> btw
[02:28] <Diablo_D3> ubuntu should recommend sennhieser headphones
[02:29] <Diablo_D3> seriously
[02:29] <Diablo_D3> best headphones I've ever owned
[02:29] <crimsun> not grados? ;)
[02:30] <Diablo_D3> grados have been described as too... in your face.
[02:30] <Diablo_D3> and sonys are just like sennhiesers, but way too much bass
[02:31] <Diablo_D3> but hey, for $100, my hd 250 pros are awesome
[02:31] <Diablo_D3> and they have a replaceable cord <3
[02:31] <Diablo_D3> (I have a habit of breaking the coord on headphones)
[02:34] <CaiN_SA> whats the other wm gnome uses
[02:34] <CaiN_SA> metacity or ?
[02:34] <CaiN_SA> oh ya
[02:34] <CaiN_SA> enlightment
[02:37] <crimsun> um
[02:38] <crimsun> #2092 is odd
[02:38] <crimsun> does it or doesn't it work?
[03:09] <Rotund> I'm wondering if anyone has taken on packaging DogTail.
[03:11] <Rotund> Does anyone know?  Or is there a list somewhere of what programs people are packaging?  Or at least which have been submitted and not accepted.
[03:12] <marcin_ant> hi guys
[03:12] <sivang> Rotund: isn't it already available in debian?
[03:13] <marcin_ant> could someone tell me if is there something like built in variable
[03:13] <marcin_ant> that holds package name in debian/rules?
[03:13] <Mithrandir> there isn't
[03:15] <marcin_ant> Mithrandir: so if I want to set this variable then I need to use some grep/sed/perl magic and parse value for this variable from debian/control file?
[03:15] <Mithrandir> why?  Just set it manually.
[03:19] <Rotund> sivang: not in "any" on packages.debian.org
[03:20] <marcin_ant> Mithrandir: hmm few reasons why
[03:21] <marcin_ant> Mithrandir: 1. I got a bunch of packages that need very simmilar rules file
[03:21] <marcin_ant> Mithrandir: 2. if I build more than one package with my debian/rules file than I would like
[03:21] <sivang> Rotund: well, you can try and package it yourself, or suggest that on the universe candidates wiki page and maybe one of the MOTUs will pick it up
[03:22] <marcin_ant> Mithrandir: to have a variable with a list of packages I build to run some commands recursively
[03:23] <Mithrandir> marcin_ant: very similar != the same and I think that having a goal of having the same debian/rules file is silly
[03:23] <marcin_ant> Mithrandir: well in fact - they are currenlty simmilar - but could be the same if I will remove hardcoded values
[03:24] <Mithrandir> why is that a goal?
[03:24] <marcin_ant> to have single template for all packages?
[03:24] <Mithrandir> no, to have the same rules file for all packages.
[03:24] <Rotund> sivang: I'll suggest it first.  We'll see how much time I have tonight.
[03:25] <sivang> Rotund: ubuntu's universe could always use more folks helping,so feel free if you want to join ;)
[03:25] <marcin_ant> to make my work nice and easy?
[03:25] <marcin_ant> I don't want to modify a bunch of files when I want to change something
[03:26] <Mithrandir> keep them in version control and let the VCS do the work for you, then.
[03:26] <marcin_ant> just single template
[03:26] <Mithrandir> or keep the stuff in a library file which you include
[03:27] <marcin_ant> anyway there is no point in this discussion - I don't want to create libraries like cddb because I don't want to create additional dependencies
[03:27] <marcin_ant> I just want to have some rules file without 'hardcoded' values
[03:27] <marcin_ant> that's all
[03:28] <jamessan|work> so set a variable at the top and use that throughout the rest of the rules file so you only have to change it in one spot
[03:28] <marcin_ant> I already got an answer for my question - no built in variable - so I'll parse control/changelog and get what I need
[03:28] <marcin_ant> jamessan|work: sure
[03:29] <marcin_ant> jamessan|work: but my question was 'is there some built in variable that keeps package name'
[03:29] <marcin_ant> jamessan|work: there is no such variable - and that's all
[03:43] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:44] <dholbach> re
[03:45] <bddebian> Heya Daniel
[03:46] <dholbach> hey barry
[03:51] <bddebian> Hey, 2 days away and it's quiet in here... :-)
[03:53] <\sh> no it's not I'm working
[03:54] <dholbach> :))
[03:54] <dholbach> any REVU admin in here?
[03:55] <bddebian> Heya \sh.  I see you have been super busy on FTBFSs :-)
[03:55] <bddebian> dholbach: I'm supposed to be but I don't know if I can help or not
[03:56] <dholbach> bddebian: how can stuff be built and i see all the crazy stuff that some packages have and some don't?
[03:56] <bddebian> "All the crazy stuff"?  You mean the linda/lintian/etc stuff?
[03:57] <dholbach> linda and lintian is normal
[03:57] <dholbach> i thought we were able to let stuff be test-built on that machine
[03:57] <dholbach> hm
[03:58] <bddebian> Ooohh
[03:59] <bddebian> dholbach: Yeah, I think we can but ufortunately I don't know how?  \sh do you know?
[03:59] <zakame> hi all!
[03:59] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[04:00] <dholbach> hey zakame
[04:00] <zakame> is there a policy for putting www site configuration files?
[04:08] <Seveas> bigcx2, join #ubuntu-meeting
[04:08] <Seveas> CC meeting is now
[04:08] <Amaranth> ooh, i finally make it to a meeting
[04:10] <Diablo-D3> Seveas: cc?
[04:16] <siretart> dholbach: whats up?
[05:02] <bddebian> OK, dholbach, we are down to the wire, what's the priority? :-)
[05:03] <dholbach> down to the wire?
[05:03] <bddebian> Aren't we two days from release?
[05:03] <dholbach> yeah we are
[05:03] <dholbach> fix up all we can :)
[05:04] <bddebian> "down to the wire" == VERY close to the goal :-)
[05:04] <dholbach> oh yes
[05:04] <dholbach> :)
[05:04] <bddebian> "fix up" is a little generic ;-)
[05:04] <dholbach> i know
[05:05] <chillywilly> when is the release date?
[05:05] <chillywilly> the 15th?
[05:05] <dholbach> 13th
[05:05] <bddebian> Well I don't think I am going to make ANY of my goals :-(  The bug count jumped from 480 something to 513 in the last few days. :-(
[05:05] <bddebian> Heya chillywilly
[05:05] <bddebian> Lathiat: ping?
[05:05] <dholbach> bddebian: i thought that would happen
[05:05] <dholbach> a lot of people upgrade or installed a fresh breezy prerelease
[05:05] <chillywilly> 3 days....wooooo! :)
[05:05] <chillywilly> heya bddebian
[05:05] <dholbach> so they report all they can find
[05:05] <bddebian> Aye :-(
[05:07] <bddebian> crimsun: You around?
[05:10] <Lathiat> bddebian: pong
[05:11] <bddebian> Lathiat: Did you save any of your fixes for boson-base?
[05:19] <Lathiat> bddebian: i never fixed anything
[05:19] <Lathiat> i just tried and failed
[05:32] <bddebian> Lathiat: So fix it d00d ;-P
[05:33] <LaserJock> could a MOTU look at my stuff on UniverseFTBS because I can't upload (newbie)?
[05:38] <bddebian> LaserJock: Give me a sec
[05:41] <bddebian> LaserJock: Testing gdis now
[05:44] <LaserJock> bddebian: Thanks, I just didn't want it to fall through the cracks just because I'm not one of the all powerfull MOTU {queue diabolical laugh}. ;-)
[05:44] <bddebian> Heh
[05:46] <bddebian> LaserJock: OK, gdis uploading.  Check the build logs.  Are you whitelisted?
[05:46] <LaserJock> bddebian: no
[05:46] <bddebian> Well get whitelisted damnit ;-)
[05:46] <LaserJock> how?
[05:46] <bddebian> Ask someone.  I can't remember who.. :-)
[05:47] <LaserJock> boy, that's real helpful
[05:48] <bddebian> I know, sorry
[05:48] <bddebian> Mako maybe?
[05:48] <LaserJock> ok, so should I email?
[05:49] <bddebian> LaserJock: You can try to ping elmo in -devel or email him at james.troup@u.c
[05:50] <LaserJock> ok, thanks
[05:50] <dholbach> wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads
[05:50] <dholbach> not his normal adress
[05:50] <dholbach> !!! :)
[05:50] <bddebian> Doh :-(
[05:50] <bddebian> LaserJock: ^^
[05:53] <LaserJock> soo, I email upload@ubuntulinux.org? What am I supposed to put in the email?
[05:53] <dholbach> just your name, your emailadress that you want to work with the MOTU crew and sign it with your gpg key
[05:55] <bddebian> Damn, I think \sh has already finished the FTBFS page.. ;-)
[05:56] <LaserJock> I have a gpg key, but it hasn't been  verified by anyone or anything. Is that OK?
[05:56] <bddebian> If something is already fixed, should it be removed from the arch page?
[05:56] <bddebian> LaserJock: That should be fine for now.  You will need it signed to become an MOTU
[05:57] <LaserJock> ok, thanks for all your help guys. Gotta get to class (dang grad school)
[06:00] <bddebian> Who was doing the atlas stuff?
[06:05] <dholbach> sistpoty?
[06:06] <dholbach> has anybody seen j^ lately?
[06:11] <dholbach> if he wants to get in networkmanager-vpnc he should get a move on, quickly :)
[06:12] <bddebian> Heh
[06:12] <Diablo-D3> wtf
[06:12] <Diablo-D3> Your mail to 'Universe-bugs' with the subject
[06:12] <Diablo-D3>     [Bug 2092]  realtime-lsm-source builds but wont load on breezy
[06:12] <Diablo-D3> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
[06:12] <Diablo-D3> isn't that stupid.
[06:12] <dholbach> yes it is
[06:12] <dholbach> and if you tell me how to fix mailman, i'll do it
[06:12] <dholbach> kthxbye
[06:12] <Diablo-D3> hah
[06:12] <Diablo-D3> you could hack it
[06:12] <Diablo-D3> check where the mail was sent from
[06:13] <ogra> dholbach, why should 'Universe-bugs' accept mails other than malone mails ?
[06:13] <Diablo-D3> if from mail.ubuntu.com allow, or whatever
[06:13] <dholbach> that's what i tried in numerous ways
[06:13] <Diablo-D3> ogra: it shouldnt
[06:13] <ogra> you do the communication through the bugtracker
[06:13] <dholbach> guys
[06:13] <dholbach> look at the mail headers
[06:13] <dholbach> thank you
[06:13] <Diablo-D3> dholbach: bingo
[06:13] <dholbach> it's not FROM to parse, it's REPLY-TO to parse
[06:13] <Diablo-D3> exactly!
[06:13] <Diablo-D3> well, actually, that might be a tad insecure
[06:14] <dholbach> talk to the guys in #launchpad
[06:14] <dholbach> i had the conversation at least 10 times too often :)
[06:14] <Diablo-D3> I could put my own REPLY-TO header in, and make it look like launchpad sent it
[06:14] <Diablo-D3> heh
[06:14] <dholbach> (and no new ideas on how to fix it :))
[06:14] <Diablo-D3> well
[06:15] <Diablo-D3> there is one way to fix it
[06:15] <Diablo-D3> have launchpad manage the mailing list
[06:15] <dholbach> then you're talking to the wrong guy
[06:15] <Diablo-D3> allow users to watch for new bugs for any given project
[06:15] <Diablo-D3> ie, I could watch ubuntu, and get mails on all new ubuntu bugs
[06:16] <Diablo-D3> dholbach: no, but its atleast an idea.
[06:17] <Diablo-D3> hrm, can I file bugs on launchpad via launchpad?
[06:17] <Diablo-D3> btw, there is one last alternative
[06:17] <Diablo-D3> allow people who arent subscribed to post.
[06:17] <Diablo-D3> not that I'm recommending that, its still an idea.
[06:17] <dholbach> #launchpad :)
[06:18] <dholbach> of file a bug on launchpad
[06:19] <Diablo-D3> imo I'd be a great feature
[06:20] <Diablo-D3> and we wouldnt need a mailing list to provide a mailing list, it'd all be done out of launchpad, and customized for each user's needs
[06:21] <Diablo-D3> dholbach: good idea, right?
[06:22] <dholbach> as i said, i suggest you talk to the launchpad guys :)
[06:22] <dholbach> i'm quite busy at the moment :)
[06:22] <Diablo-D3> I am I am =P
[06:27] <zakame> wb Seveas
[06:28] <dholbach> bbl
[06:45] <\sh> re
[06:51] <bddebian> wb \sh
[06:51] <\sh> re barry
[06:51] <\sh> hmmm...I need to blacklist the acx100 drivers
[06:51] <bddebian> \sh: You've been far too busy on the FTBFS list, I can't even tell where we are.. ;-)
[06:51] <\sh> somehow
[06:51] <\sh> and load instead ndiswrapper
[06:52] <\sh> I shoud do it via /etc/hotplug/blacklist, right?
[06:53] <\sh> brb
[06:55] <crimsun> bddebian: in for a sec, bbiab. I know about vlc, fixing.
[06:56] <bddebian> crimsun: No, actually xfce question but I suppose I could ask in #xubuntu huh? :-)
[06:56] <crimsun> sure
[07:16] <bddebian> \sh or dholbach: What is the process for packages that built once, failed on the last attempt, but build fine in their current state now?
[07:16] <dholbach> erm
[07:16] <dholbach> are they installable?
[07:17] <dholbach> (from the archive)
[07:17] <dholbach> what you could do is:
[07:17] <bddebian> Oh, hehe, that was just amd64
[07:17] <dholbach> get the package from the archive      sudo apt-get install -d <package>  (--reinstall maybe)    - build the package yourself and do a debdiff on those two packages
[07:18] <dholbach> you might have to install wdiff too
[07:18] <dholbach> see if the dependencies have change
[07:18] <dholbach> (and what has changed in general)
[07:19] <bddebian> Nope, they're the same.  I'll make a note
[07:19] <dholbach> if so, remove the package from the list
[07:22] <bddebian> dholbach: OK
[07:25] <Diablo-D3> subscription to project feature request: https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/3067
[07:29] <abarbaccia_> tseng, you here?
[07:42] <\sh> k...building new amarok package
[08:11] <\sh> if someone would help me...
[08:11] <\sh> http://archive.linux-server.org/testing/
[08:11] <\sh> amarok-1.3.3 binary breezy packages for all engines...are waiting for you to test...pls hurry, kthxbye ;)
[08:13] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[08:13] <ivoks> hi
[08:13] <bddebian> \sh: What kind of tests?
[08:13] <\sh> bddebian: stability, memleaks, if you have an ipod-> ipod transfers with amarok...
[08:13] <\sh> gstreamer tests, xine tests etc.
[08:13] <\sh> check if gstreamer is default engine to use
[08:13] <bddebian> Oh, I have no iPod.  I'm an uncool old fart remember ;-)
[08:14] <ivoks> slomo_: here?
[08:14] <slomo_> bddebian: i have no ipod too ;)
[08:15] <slomo_> ivoks: yes... but i have to leave in a few minutes
[08:15] <ivoks> slomo_: so... what problems with ipod and banshee?
[08:15] <ivoks> slomo: any malone bugs?
[08:15] <ivoks> since i have one beta tester with ipod
[08:15] <slomo> ivoks: i had many bugreports that ipod support in banshee was broken
[08:15] <slomo> no malone because banshee isn't in malone yet
[08:15] <slomo> i got them via mail
[08:15] <ivoks> hm...
[08:16] <ivoks> this guy didn't say anything wrong about banshee to me :/
[08:16] <slomo> so i went back to releases of banshee and ipod stuff... many people told me it worked before so......
[08:16] <ivoks> ok
[08:16] <slomo> and if something is broken i can now happily point to upstream because it's all releases now, no cvs snapshots ;)
[08:17] <ivoks> :>
[08:17] <ivoks> ok then
[08:18] <slomo> hehe... but thanks for asking :) well, i have to leave again now :) see you all tomorrow
[08:18] <ivoks> slomo: one more q...
[08:18] <ivoks> slomo: quick one
[08:18] <slomo> sure
[08:19] <ivoks> slomo: old banshee supports faac?
[08:19] <slomo> yes... since the beginning ;)
[08:19] <slomo> you just need gstreamer0.8-faac
[08:19] <ivoks> ok, thanks
[08:20] <slomo> ok...
[08:20] <ivoks> bye
[08:23] <rbelem_> siretart: pong =)
[08:51] <Kyral> Is anyone handling the cpp-4.0 FTBFS?
[08:51] <crimsun> \sh: FWIW, amarok "1.3.1" in Breezy has been very stable
[08:51] <dholbach> Kyral: drop it, must be a mistake, take something else rather :)
[08:52] <Kyral> Are you saying it would be too hard for me? ;P
[08:53] <\sh> crimsun: not for the ipod generation and not alsaink
[08:53] <Kyral> Okay then....can I see a list of them that no one is working on? I <3 PBuilder now
[08:54] <crimsun> \sh: Really? I use Gstreamer's alsasink...
[08:55] <\sh> crimsun: it's patched by riddell
[08:55] <\sh> crimsun: backported from 1.3.2
[08:56] <\sh> crimsun: 1.3.1 never had alsaink
[08:57] <crimsun> \sh: that's why I said "1.3.1"
[08:59] <Kyral> if it builds from sid do I upload it to REVU or just tell someone?
[08:59] <bddebian> Kyral: Is it on the list already?
[09:00] <Kyral> its on the UniverseFTBFSi386 list
[09:01] <bddebian> Kyral: Ah, then ask someone to ask elmo to sync it.
[09:01] <Kyral> and I don't think anyone is working on it
[09:14] <Kyral> cmix builds clean from sid. Someone wanna ask elmo to sync it?
[09:17] <Kyral> on i386 that is
[09:17] <dholbach> did you install it and it works?
[09:17] <Kyral> I'm about to. I know it builds :D
[09:20] <Kyral> ....if I had C source files to test it on...
[09:20] <dallingham> Sorry for the newbie question, but what is the process for requesting an upgrade to a package in the universe repository?
[09:20] <Kyral> I think its running alright, I mean according to the manpage its only for C source files and its complaining about my C++ source files :D
[09:20] <dholbach> dallingham: a bug report on malone would be cool
[09:21] <bddebian> dallingham: Probably a bug report on Malone but you can ask here.
[09:21] <dallingham> For future reference, what is Malone?
[09:21] <dholbach> launchpad.net/malone
[09:22] <dallingham> bddebian: The current version of GRAMPS (genealogy program) is 2.0.5. The current version is 2.0.8, and it is much more stable that 2.0.5.
[09:22] <dallingham> dholbach: Thanks.
[09:23] <bddebian> dallingham: What version does Debian have?
[09:23] <Kyral> I think its good dholbach
[09:23] <dallingham> bddebian: Debian has 2.0.8. This package works well under the current breezy.
[09:31] <dholbach> hellas sistpoty
[09:31] <sistpoty> hi folks
[09:31] <bddebian> Aye, heya sistpoty
[09:31] <dholbach> sistpoty: last minute fixing? :))
[09:31] <sistpoty> sure ;)
[09:31] <bddebian> dallingham: I'll take a look
[09:31] <dallingham> bddebian: Thanks. I appreciate it.
[09:32] <sistpoty> anyone had a look on seahorse http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=768 yet?
[09:32] <siretart> hi
[09:33] <bddebian> Heya siretart
[09:33] <sistpoty> huhu siretart
[09:33] <siretart> seahorse revert to older version?
[09:33] <sistpoty> yep
[09:34] <siretart> ah, you told me earlier today.. perhaps we should better upload that quickly..
[09:35] <sistpoty> siretart: erm... I haven't checked the package yet, since i don't know exactly what was wrong with the new version
[09:35] <siretart> sistpoty: can you check it? I
[09:35] <siretart> I'll revu-build it..
[09:35] <siretart> if not, lets ask \sh to test it, because he uses seahorse on a regular basis
[09:36] <sistpoty> siretart: would be great if \sh could take a look... i can't see much more than my keys listed and that clicking on one of them works
[09:36] <\sh> siretart: sorry...I'm getting my head straight
[09:37] <sistpoty> damn
[09:37] <sistpoty> ;)
[09:37] <\sh> siretart: but it's not crashing
[09:37] <\sh> siretart: and it's working
[09:37] <\sh> but sorry...I'm really fcked now...and I won't do any uploads, fixes today...
[09:37] <siretart> hm. it would really help to know what is actually broken in 0.7.9
[09:38] <sistpoty> yep
[09:38] <siretart> \sh: no problem. I won't upload today, too. need to do some compiler stuff :/
[09:42] <bddebian> dallingham: OK, I have requested a sync from Debian.
[09:42] <dallingham> bddebian: Thanks.
[09:43] <bddebian> NP
[09:45] <dholbach> i just assigned the last batch of unassigned stuff
[09:45] <dholbach> maybe we find easy stuff to figure out
[09:45] <dholbach> are you all cracking on UniverseFTBFS or how's the atmosphere?
[09:46] <bddebian> What's this WE stuff? :-)
[09:46] <dholbach> WE?
[09:46] <ajmitch> morning
[09:46] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[09:46] <dholbach> morning andrew
[09:46] <bddebian> dholbach: You assigned them all to ajmitch right? ;-)
[09:46] <dholbach> bddebian: WE?
[09:46] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[09:46] <ajmitch> yeah, I thought we agreed to let bddebian handle all the FTBFS?
 maybe we find easy stuff to figure out
[09:47] <ajmitch> oh right
[09:47] <ajmitch> well we're leaving all the malone bugs for you
[09:48] <dholbach> ah ok
[09:48] <dholbach> bddebian: don't get pessimistic now
[09:49] <dholbach> ajmitch: how so?
[09:49] <bddebian> dholbach: I'm not pessimistic, just wondering if you have a mouse in your pocket "we"? hrmph  ;-P
[09:50] <ajmitch> dholbach: because there's nothing I can help with :)
[09:50] <dholbach> ajmitch: it's all fixed or what?
[09:51] <ajmitch> no
[09:51] <ajmitch> just that I can't help with much
[09:52] <dholbach> too much things to do, hm?
[09:53] <thesaltydog> dholbach, we had the unveiling of www.ubuntu-it.org !
[09:53] <dholbach> i heard it :)
[09:53] <thesaltydog> just few days before breezy... in time for the announcement
[09:53] <dholbach> awesome work :)
[09:54] <thesaltydog> it was hard. but our new organization of locoteam is very cool
[09:54] <thesaltydog> we do not have a leader, but a sort of Council made of 4 people who organize the groups
[09:55] <thesaltydog> is there any kind MOTU who could spend few minutes to sync latest baobab from debian, before release?
[09:55] <thesaltydog> current breezy version is quite old.
[09:55] <bddebian> thesaltydog: From Debian?
[09:56] <thesaltydog> yes testing/unstable
[09:56] <bddebian> Let me test it
[09:56] <thesaltydog> v. 1.2.0 is there since a month
[09:56] <ajmitch> and what about the ubuntu changes?
[09:56] <bddebian> I'm looking
[09:56] <thesaltydog> No changes. I have introduced them 2 releases ago.
[09:57] <thesaltydog> dholbach, did I told that now baobab is on gnome CVS?
[09:57] <dholbach> yeah
[09:57] <dholbach> sorry for not replying the mail
[09:57] <dholbach> you're doing well
[09:57] <thesaltydog> and also on gnome-bugzilla
[09:57] <dholbach> i'm just busy
[09:57] <thesaltydog> hey, don't worry. I know..
[09:59] <\sh> sorry..that I'm today not a big help...
[10:00] <ajmitch> bah
[10:00] <ajmitch> far more of a help than I am
[10:00] <ajmitch> yay, launchpad system errors!
[10:00] <azeem> you guys are worse than bddebian
[10:00] <sistpoty> suffering from a cold \sh?
[10:00] <\sh> sistpoty: no...from a decision
[10:00] <ajmitch> azeem: we are, he helps out :)
[10:00] <sistpoty> ah, ok
[10:01] <sistpoty> that's even worse ;)
[10:01] <\sh> sistpoty: about amarok...the most difficult decision I ever made
[10:01] <dholbach> azeem: why that?
[10:02] <\sh> azeem: u know... bddebian is god...
[10:02] <azeem> yeah, I know
[10:03] <\sh> and I'm the fcking bastard who didn't let amarok 1.3.3. in
[10:03] <\sh> cheers
[10:03] <dholbach> stephan: it was a wise move
[10:03] <ogra> prost
[10:03] <dholbach> really
[10:03] <\sh> I'm taking it personally..but it was my decision
[10:04] <dholbach> azeem: why are we worse than debian guys?
[10:04] <bddebian> azeem: Heh
[10:05] <azeem> dholbach: I said "you guys are worse than bddebian"
[10:05] <Tonio-> dholbach or \sh , I reuploaded ktvschedule on revu but it is apparently blocked in the queue....
[10:05] <dholbach> azeem: ok, sorry :)))
[10:05] <sistpoty> Tonio-: I'll take a look
[10:05] <dholbach> Tonio-: was it NEW?
[10:05] <Tonio-> sistpoty: thanks
[10:05] <Tonio-> dholbach: yep
[10:05] <dholbach> Tonio-: NEW items have to be processed by the ftp master
[10:05] <dholbach> Tonio-: so we'll have to wait
[10:06] <dholbach> ahhh
[10:06] <dholbach> REVU
[10:06] <dholbach> ok :)
[10:06] <Tonio-> dholbach: yep revu, where else can I upload ^_^
[10:06] <dholbach> was confused
[10:06] <dholbach> nevermind :)
[10:07] <sistpoty> Tonio-: it was rejected... but i don't know why yet :(
[10:07] <Tonio-> dholbach: no pb. I corrected and reuploaded all your today's revued packages
[10:07] <dholbach> Tonio-: ROCK
[10:07] <Tonio-> sistpoty: okay.... strange anyway
[10:07] <bddebian> thesaltydog: I requested a sync from Debian for baobab
[10:08] <thesaltydog> bddebian, thanks a lot.
[10:08] <bddebian> NP
[10:08] <sistpoty> Tonio-: did you upload with dput?
[10:08] <Tonio-> ho and did slomo (I think it's him) found the reason why it seems to be impossible to upload pwmanager ?
[10:08] <Tonio-> sistpoty: absolutly
[10:08] <Tonio-> dholbach: I think you tried three or four time for this one no ?
[10:09] <tseng> abarbaccia: yes
[10:09] <dholbach> Tonio-: elmo should know
[10:09] <tseng> abarbaccia: im working
[10:09] <sistpoty> Tonio-: strange... have no clue why it didn't work... but it should be on revu now
[10:09] <abarbaccia> tseng jsut wanted to let you know the new package works!
[10:10] <tseng> ok
[10:10] <Tonio-> sistpoty: thanks ;) I don't know myself..... I was behind an Isa Server ftp proxy, that might be the reason (microsoft's fault ^^)
[10:11] <sistpoty> Tonio-: that wasn't the reason... the files have been there (otherwise i couldn't have triggered revu to accept them;)
[10:12] <Tonio-> sistpoty: that was a joke ;-) you can be sure I checked on the server first before asking ^^
[10:12] <sistpoty> hehe
[10:12] <Tonio-> sistpoty: I'll add a smiley next time ;)
[10:13] <Tonio-> dholbach: concerning help for revuing toonight, I may start a bit late, cause Riddell needs help improving kubuntu usplash, and I'm gonna have a look at that
[10:13] <dholbach> Tonio-: better get going at kubnutu
[10:13] <dholbach> Tonio-: dunno howh much i can review and how much stuff will get in
[10:14] <dholbach> if the release doesnt need me (i shouldnt think so), i'll get involved in fixing ftbfses/bugs
[10:14] <Tonio-> dholbach: you already did so much ;) don't mind if some don't get in
[10:14] <dholbach> don't worry :)
[10:14] <Tonio-> dholbach: if there is one application I would like to see in ubuntu, it is yakuake, best rated application on kde-apps
[10:15] <Tonio-> but I have to reupload it due to new tarball....
[10:15] <Riddell> Tonio-: let me know if you want me to look at that
[10:15] <Tonio-> I'm gonna do it right now...
[10:15] <Tonio-> Riddell: okay
[10:15] <Riddell> whatever it is
[10:15] <bddebian> Shit, I think my kids may have just turned off my Breezy machine at home. :-(
[10:15] <Tonio-> I'm reuploading, then start working on kubuntu usplash
[10:16] <Riddell> hmm, debuild should depend on fakeroot
[10:16] <\sh> what is it?
[10:16] <Riddell> \sh: what's debuild?
[10:17] <Riddell> or what's yakuake?
[10:17] <\sh> no what *lemmelookagain* yakuake
[10:17] <\sh> sounds like bukkake (sp?)
[10:17] <Tonio-> Riddell: like kuake an alternative to console
[10:18] <Tonio-> hum....... hard to describe, but that rocks ;)
[10:18] <Tonio-> 92% on kde-apps, best rated.....
[10:18] <Tonio-> Riddell: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29153 if you wanna get an idea
[10:19] <Tonio-> I'm repackaging it with the last version
[10:22] <Riddell> "a KDE terminal emulator"  I think we have one of those :)
[10:23] <TMM> Riddell, no that is a Konsole that is something substantially different from a console or terminal emulator
[10:23] <TMM> :P
[10:24] <Riddell> well I'll have to wait and see I guess
[10:29] <bddebian> Well shit, I guess I'm done for breezy :'-(
[10:29] <abarbaccia> guys - how do i tell apt-get to not upgrade a package - i need a degraded version for a compatibility reason
[10:32] <ajmitch> bddebian: no you're not, keep working
[10:32] <bddebian> ajmitch: I think my laptop just died at home :-(
[10:33] <ajmitch> oh well
[10:33] <ajmitch> you've got about 20 spare
[10:33] <bddebian> Yeah but nothing with breezy installed and I'm at work. :'-(
[10:33] <NotThomMay> hey
[10:33] <NotThomMay> is eclipse broken in breezy at the moment?
[10:33] <sistpoty> bddebian: you could use pbuilder on tiber.tauware.de... ;)
[10:33] <bddebian> NotThomMay: There are several bugs posted against it on Malone
[10:33] <NotThomMay> (as in uninstallable, dependancies, rather than the program itself)
[10:33] <NotThomMay> kk
[10:34] <bddebian> Hmm, I don't know of any that say it's uninstallable
[10:34] <sistpoty> bddebian: thats true... but you could at least fix compile issues ;)
[10:34] <bddebian> sistpoty: Yeah but how much damage would I cause there? :-)
[10:34] <NotThomMay> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:34] <NotThomMay>   eclipse-sdk: Depends: eclipse-jdt (= 3.1.1-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[10:34] <NotThomMay>                Depends: eclipse-pde (= 3.1.1-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[10:34] <sistpoty> bddebian: you are an admin on tiber, so you can fix the damage :P
[10:35] <bddebian> Oh yeah, just what I need it to break somone elses box :-)
[10:35] <sistpoty> hehe
[10:36] <siretart> bddebian: pbuilding should be rather save. you may (and in fact should) pbuild in your home or use the revu-build script to build some revu uploads. that's what tiber is for
[10:50] <dholbach> sistpoty: don't want to push you, but how are the seahorse plans?
[10:52] <ogra> NotThomMay, there was an upload today ...
[10:56] <sistpoty> dholbach: it's residing on revu, waiting for s.o. with knowledge to test
[10:56] <dholbach> sistpoty: which version did you take?
[10:56] <dholbach> (for reverting) our old?
[10:57] <sistpoty> 0.7.8-2 with compile fix from me
[10:57] <sistpoty> to match current gedit version
[10:57] <dholbach> ok
[10:57] <dholbach> will poke
[10:57] <ajmitch> bddebian: I'd say you could use pbuilder on my box
[10:57] <sistpoty> thx dholbach
[10:57] <ajmitch> but I doubt you could stand a box that slow
[10:59] <\sh> dinner?
[10:59] <\sh> I don't even have a pizza-cap now
[11:11] <dholbach> sistpoty: ping
[11:12] <dholbach> sistpoty: nevermind
[11:36] <Riddell> dholbach: any idea what the crack with pwmanager is?
[11:36] <dholbach> no idea
[11:36] <dholbach> elmo should know
[11:37] <ajmitch> it's been uploaded a few times with no obvious result
[11:37] <ajmitch> I think uploading with the changelog set to a whitelisted address might help?
[11:39] <NotThomMay> ogra: just dist upgraded and am still getting The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:39] <NotThomMay>   eclipse-sdk: Depends: eclipse-jdt (= 3.1.1-1ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[11:39] <NotThomMay>                Depends: eclipse-pde (= 3.1.1-1ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[11:39] <NotThomMay> E: Broken packages
[11:40] <dholbach> you already told us
[11:42] <NotThomMay> well ogra said there was an upload today, so I was letting him know that after upgrading, the problem remains
[11:42] <sistpoty> dholbach: pong
[11:42] <ogra> NotThomMay, ping doko, he did the upload...
[11:42] <NotThomMay> ogra: will do, thanks
[11:42] <dholbach> NotThomMay: and there's no point in telling it twice
[11:50] <ajmitch> hm, should I sit LPI exams at LCA? :)
[11:52] <mxpxpod> why is it that the docs provided by gtk-sharp2 (from monodoc-gtk2.0-manual) show Gtk.AboutDialog, but it doesn't exist in the library?