[12:04] <ogra> you do that in the language selector in breezy...
[12:04] <jelkner> ok, i just installed spanish language support for gnome and openoffice
[12:05] <jelkner> i've tried putting the keyboard applet on the gnome panel before and switching to spanish
[12:05] <ogra> great... the language selector does that automatically btw if you check the tickbox fr the desired lang
[12:05] <jelkner> but i could never figure out which key did what
[12:05] <ogra> heh
[12:05] <ogra> you should ask a spanish person :)
[12:05] <mhz> : would give you n
[12:05] <mhz> } = accents
[12:06] <mhz> etc
[12:06] <ogra> but there must be a way to get tis with a us keyboard
[12:06] <mhz> if it's live or dead for you, 
[12:06] <mhz> I could provide a more detailed GUI map tomorrow
[12:07] <mhz> well, Apple OSes used to have an application that showed all possible characterd output while you pressed some keys and combinations of them
[12:08] <jelkner> i just asked the young man to log out, select "Spanish" as the language, and log back in.... nothing seemed to have changed
[12:09] <ogra> jelkner, but you used the language selector to select translations and writing aids for spanish ??
[12:10] <ogra> (from System->System Tools)
[12:10] <jelkner> hold on, let me try...
[12:10] <mhz> jelkner: the solution I mentioned did not ask to log out
[12:10] <mhz> it take changes immediately
[12:10] <ogra> yes, no need to log out
[12:10] <mhz> anyways, i gotta go again
[12:11] <mhz> ogra: i can't imagine how to bypass this card issue unless i use a diff distro.
[12:11] <mhz> SuSe worked perfectly on this box before
[12:11] <mhz> so did Debian
[12:11] <ogra> strange...
[12:11] <jelkner> ok, System -> Administration -> Language Selector requires sudo privaledges
[12:12] <jelkner> mhz: talk to you later
[12:12] <ogra> mhz, try to get hold of daniels probably he can help
[12:12] <jelkner> and the guest user doesn't have those
[12:12] <ogra> jelkner, yes, since it chnages global settings (installs the langpacks)
[12:12] <mhz> jelkner: as soon as i get home, i'll open a gnome session so i could replicate what i think i meant
[12:12] <jelkner> ok, thanks
[12:13] <jelkner> this is an issue that will come up a lot, so i want to learn how to handle it
[12:13] <mhz> jelkner: and this solution can be applied by normal users
[12:13] <ogra> jelkner, you installed the langpacks only through synaptic, the breezy way is to use the langiage selector
[12:13] <mhz> bye'all
[12:13] <mhz> and thx again Lord Oliver
[12:13] <ogra> its heh
[12:13] <ogra> -its
[12:15] <jelkner> ogra: aah, i'm installing spanish through the language selector now...
[12:21] <jelkner> ogra: how is this for a solution, after installing openoffice spanish language support, he ran his document through the spell checker, which put in all the accents and stuff for him! ;-)
[12:21] <ogra> yay
[12:21] <ogra> cool
[12:22] <jelkner> i'm thinking now we set up another guest account
[12:22] <jelkner> called invitado
[12:23] <ogra> :)
[12:23] <jelkner> and when you log in a invitado, everything is in spanish
[12:29] <jelkner> ok, library is closing, i've gotta run...
[01:49] <Lord_Athur> hi
[01:49] <Lord_Athur> I have a problem
[01:49] <Lord_Athur> I cannot use the floppy driver
[01:49] <Lord_Athur> What do I have to do for use this?
[01:51] <ogra> on a Thin Client ? 
[01:52] <Lord_Athur> I'm sorry, What is a thin client?
[01:52] <ogra> the terminals you use in a classroom ... the target setup for edubuntu...
[01:53] <ogra> but if you dont know what it is, i guess you probably dont use it, which answers my question :)
[01:54] <Lord_Athur> jejeje ok
[01:54] <Lord_Athur> no I'm not using this
[01:54] <Lord_Athur> I'm using the common terminal
[01:55] <Lord_Athur> and it tells me this:
[01:55] <Lord_Athur> root@N:~#  mount -t vfat /dev/floppy /mnt
[01:55] <Lord_Athur> mount: el dispositivo especial /dev/floppy no existe
[01:55] <Lord_Athur> root@N:~#
[01:55] <ogra> in edubuntu ? 
[01:55] <Lord_Athur> no
[02:08] <_arkanox> modprobe floppy
[04:32] <toddobryan> Hi...newbie question...
[04:32] <toddobryan> I'm trying to install edubuntu on a server in my classroom.
[04:33] <jsgotangco> hi
[04:33] <toddobryan> We figured out that the IP address it asks for is the IP for the lab server.
[04:33] <toddobryan> But then we need to use DHCP to get the IP address the box will have on the rest of the network.
[04:33] <toddobryan> At that point we're lost.
[04:33] <toddobryan> We've got two NICs in the machine.
[04:37] <toddobryan> Any helpful pointers or ideas about what we should do?
[04:38] <jsgotangco> you have a separate DHCP box?
[04:38] <toddobryan> Well, this would be a lab in one room.
[04:38] <toddobryan> We have our own server which the county supplies.
[04:39] <toddobryan> Which is part of a Windows ActiveDirectory system that actually spans the whole state.
[04:39] <toddobryan> The less I have to talk to people up the chain of command, the better.
[04:40] <toddobryan> So, yes, there's a DHCP server giving out addresses to all the machines in the school.
[04:45] <toddobryan> Is this not a common thing? Sticking a terminal server in a school that already has a bunch of windows machines?
[04:45] <jsgotangco> sorry i was out for a while
[04:45] <jsgotangco> well if you have a terminal server, it would probably be best to have it run on its own network imo
[04:46] <toddobryan> If there were some way that the installer could auto-detect which NIC is connected to the school network (presumably by seeing if it gets assigned an IP by a DHCP server) and then magically configure the other one to hand out addresses to the terminals it would make things easier.
[04:47] <toddobryan> That's not an option, really. The only connection to the internet goes through the school server.
[04:48] <ajmitch_> wb ogra 
[04:48] <jsgotangco> ogra, do we have rc?
[04:49] <ajmitch_> I think the last daily was fairly good, right?
[04:49] <ogra> nope, Kamion didnt have the time and now the build servers are busy with release testbuilds
[04:49] <ajmitch_> is it worth grabbing the last daily release?
[04:49] <ogra> i wanted to have it as RC, yes
[04:49] <ogra> yup
[04:49] <ajmitch_> ok
[04:50] <ogra> it wont change, main uploads are locked
[04:50] <ogra> i cant change a bit anymore, so what is there is the release
[04:50] <ajmitch_> so I'll probably have about 600MB of data left in my monthly quota until the 24th :)
[04:50] <ogra> thus i didnt force a RC
[04:51] <ogra> no rsync ?
[04:51] <ogra> its way cheaper... 
[04:51] <ajmitch_> rsync dribbles in at about 4K/sec for me
[04:51] <ogra> hmm
[04:51] <ajmitch_> it's painfully slow
[04:51] <ajmitch_> I can get a single image at 180K/sec with wget
[04:51] <ogra> syncing from yesterdays to todays costed me 6 min :)
[04:52] <ogra> but wget doesnt compress and doesnt omit unneded data from the transfer
[04:52] <ajmitch_> yep
[04:53] <ajmitch_> but it's the only way I can get an image in time to test it
[04:53] <ajmitch_> rather than waiting a day for rsync
[04:53] <ogra> yup
[04:53] <ajmitch_> so I'll just have slow internet after release :)
[04:53] <ajmitch_> no big deal
[04:53] <ogra> jsgotangco, the release notes you made are quite good, lets take them for final...
[04:54] <mhz> re
[04:54] <mhz> final?
[04:54] <jsgotangco> okay
[04:54] <jsgotangco> i'm just going to integrate the stuff with the breezyreleasenotes
[04:54] <mhz> so I can translate them for final? educool
[04:54] <ogra> mhz, i just tested xubuntu-desktop on a thin client... funny desktop :)
[04:55] <toddobryan> So, is it possible to setup a server with two NICs so that one gets an "outside" address from a DHCP server and the other has an "internal" address which its terminals see?
[04:55] <ogra> jsgotangco, nope, dont mention breezy features there, mdz was very upset that breezy features were in the preview notes
[04:55] <ogra> toddobryan, yup
[04:55] <jsgotangco> mmm?
[04:55] <jsgotangco> ok
[04:55] <ogra> jsgotangco, we should only mention edubuntu feature
[04:56] <jsgotangco> right
[04:56] <jsgotangco> it'll be clean and short then
[04:56] <mhz> ogra: I haven't yet. recommend it?
[04:56] <ogra> mhz, yes
[04:56] <toddobryan> ogra, We're getting stuck.
[04:56] <ogra> if you need a very small desktop
[04:57] <toddobryan> We can't figure out how to join an already existing network...
[04:58] <mhz> toddobryan: did yu read the wiki. there's a good page about it :)
[04:58] <toddobryan> What's the title?
[04:58] <ogra> toddobryan, the install asked you for a IP... that should be the static one for the thin clients
[04:59] <toddobryan> OK. We did that.
[04:59] <toddobryan> But then we couldn't get it to grab an external address from the DHCP server.
[04:59] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup there is a link at the bottom
[05:00] <ogra> linking to a page showing how to set up NAT
[05:00] <mhz> toddobryan: site down. it is being merged, afaik
[05:00] <ogra> just configuring the other card with the natwork-admin tool for dhcp didnt work ? 
[05:01] <ogra> mhz, its wiki.edubuntu.org now
[05:01] <mhz> oooohhh
[05:01] <ogra> *network indeed
[05:02] <toddobryan> So, it looks like picking 192.168.0.1 would save some headaches later.
[05:02] <toddobryan> I'll try that tomorrow.
[05:02] <mhz> toddobryan: the url ogra provided and the nat howto should do perfectly
[05:02] <mhz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowtoNAT
[05:03] <toddobryan> Well, I don't have the prereqs. The server can't connect to the internet.
[05:03] <ogra> toddobryan, yes, and post install just configure the second card from the desktop with the gui tool :)
[05:03] <mhz> toddobryan: basically, whichever range of IP you wish to use, then means you have to take care of editing everything else accordingly
[05:03] <ogra> then go with an ip from your net and make the changes to /et/ltsp/dhcp.conf
[05:04] <toddobryan> It could be that we were trying too hard. The student who was trying to do it is a FreeBSD head and may have been trying to use a command-line tool when the GUI would have worked.
[05:04] <mhz> toddobryan: yes, do not edit /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf  ONLY /etc/ltsp/
[05:05] <toddobryan> That explains the problem.
[05:05] <mhz> FreeBSD is very similar to the linux tree
[05:05] <toddobryan> (There are disadvantages to having smart kids.)
[05:05] <mhz> but when we talk about LTSP, it depends on different trees
[05:05] <toddobryan> I think he was looking in dhcpd.conf
[05:05] <ogra> toddobryan, just use any IP you like, and then follow strict the wikipage... copy and paste will do for most steps
[05:06] <mhz> toddobryan: the wiki is the bible
[05:06] <toddobryan> OK. We did look.
[05:06] <mhz> and if you dont find enough info there or you have doubts about the infor there, this is the living bible
[05:06] <ogra> hmm, it hasnt even an old testament yes, only a handfull of pages :)
[05:07] <ogra> yes, come here to ask questions... 
[05:07] <mhz> well, bible started from scratch too!
[05:07] <mhz> :D
[05:07] <toddobryan> I think the problem is that we didn't think the fact that it wasn't connecting itself was an LTSP problem, so we didn't look there.
[05:07] <mhz> i had same problem the 1st time
[05:07] <ogra> yes, but it took them far more than 2000 years to get some hundrets of pages...
[05:08] <mhz> and many others, that's why oliver wrote such simple notes on the wiki
[05:08] <mhz> ogra: because they did not have MoinMoin wiki :D
[05:08] <mhz> lol
[05:08] <ogra> :)
[05:08] <toddobryan> I wish my district didn't block IRC so I could try the install and know this was available when I got stuck.
[05:09] <mhz> ?
[05:09] <ogra> there are html based clients i heard
[05:09] <toddobryan> But I'll give it a try tomorrow. All my kids are taking the PSAT, so I'll have some time.
[05:09] <toddobryan> REALLLY?
[05:09] <toddobryan> That would be awesome.
[05:10] <ogra> google for it, i never used one myself but i met people here who did
[05:10] <mhz> ogra: i couldnt help the idea of imagining what it would have been like if apostols had a wiki to discuss and edit each other's ideas. just imagine what a potential mess!
[05:10] <ogra> heh
[05:10] <mhz> John reverting Judas pages :D
[05:11] <toddobryan> Thanks very much, all!
[05:11] <ogra> toddobryan, youre welcome :)
[05:11] <mhz> hope you're back
[05:12] <mhz> and provide some feedback
[05:12] <toddobryan> Wish me luck as I try to convince people to dump MS, at least in one lab.
[05:12] <jsgotangco> one lab at a time =)
[05:13] <mhz> toddobryan: tell'em that the edubuntu apostols will go there and kick some butts
[05:13] <toddobryan> mhz: first feedback...if you could auto-detect which NIC is plugged into the network and which isn't and configure appropriately, that would get rid of one possible source of stupidity (or Wiki-illiteracy :-)
[05:13] <jsgotangco> Linux for Young Human Beings???
[05:13] <mhz> lol
[05:13] <toddobryan> Ever hear of the Children's Crusade?
[05:14] <jsgotangco> ogra, what happened to our frontpage???
[05:14] <mhz> toddobryan: it does autodetect if you specify to use DHCP
[05:14] <jsgotangco> i know were doing a transition...
[05:14] <ogra> jsgotangco, wiki merge going on
[05:14] <mhz> and if your network provides DHCP
[05:14] <toddobryan> After the install?
[05:14] <mhz> yes
[05:14] <toddobryan> OK>
[05:14] <mhz> once you log in
[05:14] <toddobryan> .
[05:15] <toddobryan> I'll give this another try tomorrow.
[05:15] <toddobryan> Thanks!!!
[05:15] <mhz> u r welcome
[05:15] <ogra> toddobryan, i planned to autogenerate the dhcpd.file, but my patch wasnt accepted by our release manager anymore it was to late in teh release cycle...
[05:15] <mhz> he left
[05:15] <ogra> yup i saw it while hitting enter
[05:16] <mhz> boo
[05:16] <ogra> hey, its 5am here... i'm allowed to miss stuff :)
[05:16] <toddobryan> ok, thx ogra :)
[05:16] <ogra> (sitting here since 11am)
[05:17] <mhz> lol
[05:17] <mhz> your poor butt is beging you for some minimum considerations
[05:18] <mhz> jsgotangco: what time's it there?
[05:18] <jsgotangco> errr 11:20am
[05:19] <mhz> will we have the wed meeting?
[05:19] <jsgotangco> if ogra is still awake at that time heh. he's currently doing an all-nighter
[05:19] <ogra> oh, damned, according to our webpage i missed the release on the 10th
[05:19] <mhz> hhehehe
[05:20] <mhz> lol
[05:20] <ogra> and i even find weird errors in webpages :)
[05:20] <jsgotangco> heh the site is down at the moment (elmo must be fixing something)
[05:20] <mhz> unbelievable, ogra still has some sense of good humour
[05:21] <mhz> wiki.edubuntu?
[05:21] <ogra> nope, www.edu....
[05:21] <jsgotangco> hehe
[05:21] <ogra> it was from the cache here, the site is down ...
[05:24] <ogra> ok, enough for today... night all
[05:24] <jsgotangco> night ogra 
[05:24] <ajmitch_> night ogra 
[05:24] <ajmitch_> sleep well :)
[07:19] <mhz> re
[07:20] <mhz> which is the polemic desktop bg in GNOME?
[07:21] <mhz> I see no girl
[07:54] <highvoltage> yippee, dns, etc sorted!
[08:57] <JaneW> highvoltage: YAY :))
[08:58] <highvoltage> JaneW: and hno73 has done some nice design tweaks too.
[08:58] <highvoltage> JaneW: he sent you the link?
[08:58] <jsgotangco> hi JaneW 
[08:58] <highvoltage> hi jsgotangco 
[08:59] <jsgotangco> hey jonathan
[08:59] <JaneW> highvoltage: no, I saw monday's link last... got one for me?
[08:59] <JaneW> jsgotangco: howdy :)
[08:59] <JaneW> jsgotangco: when does your new job start?
[08:59] <jsgotangco> JaneW, mid-november
[09:00] <jsgotangco> why?
[09:00] <JaneW> jsgotangco: oic, so still 6 weeks or so...
[09:00] <JaneW> jsgotangco: just wondering
[09:00] <jsgotangco> JaneW, since we don't have an RC our RC annoucment would be our gold annoucement i guess
[09:00] <JaneW> I think so yes
[09:00] <ajmitch_> hi JaneW 
[09:01] <jsgotangco> JaneW, are you planning for another edubuntu summit?
[09:01] <JaneW> we will borrow from the ubuntu announcement, but then must focus on what and why edubuntu is...
[09:01] <JaneW> ajmitch_: morning (nearly evening for you I guess)
[09:01] <jsgotangco> JaneW, done : http://wiki.edubuntu.org/DraftBreezyRC
[09:02] <JaneW> jsgotangco: sabdfl said we prolly would get another, but he wants to review our release to see how impressed he is
[09:02] <jsgotangco> JaneW, err http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuReleaseCandidate rather....
[09:02] <JaneW> presuming we do a edubuntu dapper (which is intended) we'll need to impress eveyone with it
[09:03] <JaneW> hopefully at ubz we can harness some more developer input, so Oli doesn;t have to shoulder the whole release virtually by himself again...
[09:03] <JaneW> jsgotangco: thanks I'll take a look
[09:06] <ajmitch_> more volunteers would be good
[09:07] <ajmitch_> I think with a first release you'll get more people interested 
[09:08] <jsgotangco> i can focus on just edubuntu itself if asked
[09:09] <jsgotangco> the last few days was a backbreaker for the docteam or whoever is left contributing
[09:10] <jsgotangco> at least you can upload atm
[09:12] <ajmitch_> yeah
[09:12] <ajmitch_> hopefully I can commit a decent amount of time for dapper
[09:22] <JaneW> the input of both of you is very appreciated
[09:27] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, did you sort out your thing with userful? or just can't do much because of the work?
[09:27] <Burgundavia> I sorted out things with Userful. No restrictions for at least 6 months
[09:28] <Burgundavia> but softly, softly is the word
[09:30] <highvoltage> JaneW: can you get a quote, for what it would cost to clone oli? ;)
[09:30] <JaneW> highvoltage: heh good idea
[09:30] <highvoltage> i feel bad about how much he did, and how little i could do, i really couldn't do much either, time tying me down at work.
[09:30] <JaneW> Burgundavia: hi, I wanted to ask you something last night
[09:31] <Burgundavia> shoot
[09:31] <JaneW> highvoltage: understood
[09:31] <JaneW> Burgundavia: was looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryHedgehog
[09:31] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:32] <ajmitch_> hm? sabdfl wants edubuntu delayed?
[09:32] <JaneW> Burgundavia: and was wondering if you are willing and able to do something similar with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyBadger (which is virtually abandoned) but still listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[09:33] <JaneW> ajmitch_: huh?
[09:33] <ajmitch_> 20:32 < sabdfl> Kamion: can we delay edubuntu without affecting everything else?
[09:33] <JaneW> sheesh, and sabdfl just pinged me...
[09:34] <Burgundavia> JaneW, make it a clearing house page for various Breezy things?
[09:36] <jsgotangco> christ
[09:36] <Burgundavia> JaneW, the earliest I will be able to seriously touch it will be the weekend, but I will do it
[09:37] <jsgotangco> JaneW, about?
[09:38] <JaneW> Burgundavia: that would be great, anything which makes the page more relevant would be great
[09:38] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I ponged and no he hasn't said anything...
[09:38] <JaneW> ajmitch_: what did mdz respond?
[09:38] <Burgundavia> JaneW, it is 1am here, I think he is asleep
[09:38] <ajmitch_> no responses yet
[09:38] <Burgundavia> speaking of which, I must crash as well
[09:39] <JaneW> we asked mdz if we could stagger the release previously and he said no
[09:39] <JaneW> mdz is talking
[09:39] <JaneW> in #u-d
[09:39] <Burgundavia> JaneW, if you have anything specific you want done with the BreezyBadger page, should fire me an email
[09:39] <Burgundavia> beyond what we just discussed
[09:40] <JaneW> Burgundavia: I just noticed it was OLD (since before UDU), I haven't time to really plan anything now, but anything that makes sense would help, perhaps point ro release notes and BreezyGoals etc?
[09:40] <jsgotangco> i'll just do it
[09:41] <jsgotangco> i'll just comment the whole page just to be safe
[09:41] <jsgotangco> and add whatever needs to be there
[09:41] <ajmitch_> hm? I don't see mdz around at all :)
[09:43] <JaneW> ajmitch_: he may have left, he was saying it was 10pm, so perhaps that was some time ago... sorry
[09:43] <JaneW> ogra: PING (when you are up)
[09:44] <ajmitch_> yeah, it was, he was off for a bit of rest before attacking the release again
[09:51] <JaneW> does anyone has=ve the link to the edubuntu screenshots in osdir?
[09:52] <ajmitch_> http://osdir.com/Article7267.phtml
[09:52] <JaneW> sabdfl HATES our wallpaper
[09:52] <JaneW> http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/EdubuntuGirl_1024x768.jpg
[09:53] <ajmitch_> if it's the same one in that screenshot, I don't blame him :)
[09:53] <ajmitch_> that's.. bright :)
[09:53] <JaneW> no we changed it from the mustard one
[09:53] <JaneW> to the little girl
[09:54] <jsgotangco> she doesn't like edubuntu girl?
[09:54] <JaneW> he
[09:55] <JaneW> but it was one of the top rated ubuntu wall papers for week and we voted on it
[09:55] <ajmitch_> heh :)
[09:55] <JaneW> weeks even
[09:55] <JaneW> and the whole idea was, fun, young and vibrant
[09:55] <ajmitch_> yes
[09:55] <ajmitch_> it captures that idea well
[09:56] <ajmitch_> but I don't think I'd like it on my desktop
[09:56] <JaneW> but who keeps the default wall paper anyway?
[09:57] <ajmitch_> not I
[09:57] <JaneW> PLUS it is aimed at 6-18 year olds not adults
[09:57] <jsgotangco> my daughter likes edubuntu girl
[09:57] <JaneW> exactly the target market likes it
[09:58] <jsgotangco> job ad search?
[09:58] <jsgotangco> i'd probably apply but i doubt if i'm good enough
[10:00] <JaneW> ajmitch_: mine might be open soon
[10:00] <ajmitch_> JaneW: I hope not
[10:00] <jsgotangco> JaneW, eh??
[10:06] <JaneW> sigh
[10:08] <ajmitch_> it's not all bad :)
[10:24] <JaneW> highvoltage: PING URGENT
[10:29] <highvoltage> JaneW: PONG have to go in like 40s
[10:34] <JaneW> highvoltage: URL for new wiki, web layouts please
[10:34] <JaneW> just sent mail to mark and wanted latest ver
[10:43] <jsgotangco> henrik had the layout right?
[10:46] <JaneW> argh what happened to http://www.edubuntu.org/MeetingRecords???
[10:47] <jsgotangco> go to wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingRecords
[10:47] <JaneW> oh yay http://www.edubuntu.org/ is gone
[10:55] <JaneW> can you guys remember when it was we decided on the edubuntu girl wallpaper?
[10:55] <JaneW> jsgotangco: ta
[10:56] <jsgotangco> i didnt know edubuntu girl was decided at all...i just said " like it" compared to the mustard backtground
[10:56] <JaneW> we had a discussion about it
[10:57] <JaneW> I thought it was in a meeting but it must have been here on the #
[10:57] <JaneW> sabdfl wnats to know where, when , who etc
[10:57] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[10:57] <jsgotangco> are we having a meeting later?
[11:00] <JaneW> yes
[11:01] <jsgotangco> JaneW, i think the fuss about edubuntu girl is the face, not the backgroud itself...
[11:03] <ajmitch_> why deflated?
[11:04] <JaneW> 'This is absolutely NOT of the quality I would expect from EduBuntu.'
[11:04] <jsgotangco> gahhhh
[11:04] <jsgotangco> because of the wallpaper?
[11:04] <JaneW> yup
[11:04] <ajmitch_> ouch
[11:05] <jsgotangco> well it would have helped if ogra had some help really
[11:08] <jsgotangco> we could count in our hands who contributed
[11:17] <jsgotangco> ajmitch_, what did you grab 12.1?
[11:19] <ajmitch_> yes, I did
[11:20] <jsgotangco> this is what's being tested now?
[11:20] <ajmitch_> I believe so
[11:20] <ajmitch_> of ubuntu, anyway
[11:20] <ogra> JaneW, pong 
[11:20] <ajmitch_> I was grabbing 20051012 of edubuntu
[11:20] <ajmitch_> hi ogra 
[11:20] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[11:20] <jsgotangco> yes right, it has the same time (12.0 and current)
[11:21] <ajmitch_> what's wrong?
[11:21] <JaneW> ogra: seen the mails yet today?
[11:21] <ogra> just reading
[11:21] <jsgotangco> ajmitch_, i'm grabbing an image atm
[11:22] <JaneW> ogra: let me know if you agree with my response (been getting grilled this am)
[11:31] <ogra> JaneW, <Kamion> ogra: make a new edubuntu-artwork upload with wallpaper the way sabdfl wants it
 Kamion, ok
 and do it quickly
[11:32] <JaneW> ogra: I haven;t had any feedback as to what he wants though
[11:32] <JaneW> ogra: I asked
[11:32] <JaneW> PM and e-mail
[11:34] <ogra> i was fine with the "mustard", but now i need a quick suggestion...
[11:34] <JaneW> no sabdfl doesn;t like the mustard
[11:35] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[11:35] <JaneW> JaneW that is consistently the most popular edubuntu wallpaper
[11:35] <JaneW> JaneW it was one of the top rated of all wallpapers for a few weeks, and this one was not done by Oliver, but by a community member
[11:35] <JaneW> JaneW it was also discussed and agreed in the channel and in an edubuntu meeting. I am happy to change it though if it is not acceptable.
[11:35] <JaneW> JaneW this was the previous wallpaper (the one ogra put together in 10mins)  http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=434&slide=4&title=edubuntu+5.10+preview+screenshots
[11:35] <JaneW> sabdfl hmm... it's certainly an improvement on that, yes
[11:35] <JaneW> sabdfl i'm just amazed there was no professional artwork
[11:35] <ogra> ok
[11:36] <JaneW> ogra: see new e-mail
[11:36] <JaneW> *GRIN*
[11:37] <JaneW> edubuntu girl stays
[11:37] <jsgotangco> oh my
[11:37] <JaneW> the world is not ending
[11:37] <ajmitch_> heh :)
[11:37] <ajmitch_> well done
[11:37] <JaneW> *dance of joy*
[11:37] <jsgotangco> i like edubuntu girl really
[11:38] <jsgotangco> i was about to suggest DawnOfUbuntu
[11:39] <ogra> hmm, sad, that would have been *the* opportunity to fix the css colors for about edubuntu....
[11:39] <ogra> but well..
[11:40] <jsgotangco> hmm yeah
[11:40] <JaneW> ogra: LMAO
[11:40] <JaneW> ogra: so you welcomed this
[11:40] <JaneW> dang should have spoken up earlier ;)
[11:41] <jsgotangco> well it would have been a good opportunity to actually push the other things that were cancelled (like the yelp page)
[11:42] <ogra> heh, i dont really care ;) i liked the mustard, i like edubuntugirl and i have no problem that our about page has a white background... its a ll well :) it would have been space for improvement but i'm really not after more work ;)
[11:42] <jsgotangco> for 3.5 months of work, this is pretty big i'd say
[11:42] <enyc> I would just like to pount out the edubuntu main homepage confusingly says 'On Thursday October 10th we will release Edubuntu 5.10'
[11:42] <jsgotangco> heh yep
[11:42] <ogra> heh, yes
[11:45] <enyc> does that mean cd images etc...?
[11:45] <ogra> yes, we release tomorrow, its a typo on the site :)
[11:46] <enyc> ;-)
[11:46] <enyc> btw
[11:46] <enyc> erm
[11:47] <enyc> i notice TuxPaint annoyingly doesnt use ESD sounh ;-(
[11:47] <enyc> but 'esddsp tuxpaint' works....
[11:47] <enyc> discovered this last nicht...
[11:47] <enyc> night even
[11:48] <ogra> hmm... i'm not allowed to change a byte anymore on the CD images... file a bug so we can sort it for next release
[11:49] <enyc> sure...
[11:49] <ogra> :)
[11:49] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:49] <enyc> but Im trying to type dvorak atm........
[11:50] <enyc> im not quite there yet ;-)
[11:50] <ogra> :)
[12:00] <JaneW> ogra: how are you doing?
[12:00] <JaneW> ogra: is our RC our Release?
[12:00] <ogra> fine, very tired... i was up until 5:30
[12:00] <JaneW> ouch
[12:00] <ogra> yes, Kamion was just to busy yesterday... and i didnt see the point of making a RC 8h before archive lockdown
[12:01] <JaneW> ogra: can you hack a list of cool features together, baring in mind matt's comments from last time, they must be about Edubuntu so we can prepare the release notice
[12:01] <ogra> i'm just starting my test install of the final image
[12:01] <jsgotangco> JaneW, yup hehehe we were doing the RC annoucement last night but i asked ogra if its still needed...
[12:01] <JaneW> ogra: also I'll need to get Matt to pre-approve it this time
[12:01] <ogra> yes
[12:01] <JaneW> jsgotangco: we'll just turn it into the release announcement
[12:01] <jsgotangco> JaneW, its in the wiki
[12:01] <ogra> the Rc announcement already has a small list, i'll enhance that one... i wiped all ubuntu features
[12:01] <jsgotangco> its quite clean already
[12:01] <JaneW> ogra: so we must put it up on a wiki page as he requested
[12:02] <JaneW> jsgotangco: great
[12:02] <JaneW> jsgotangco: awesome, you guys rock
[12:02] <ogra> err clean == very small :)
[12:02] <JaneW> and ogra ^^
[12:02] <JaneW> ok make it dirty then
[12:02] <JaneW> ;)
[12:02] <ogra> the list should be longer... lets see what comes to my mind...
[12:02] <jsgotangco> known edubutu-specific issues
[12:02] <ogra> yup
[12:03] <JaneW> make a big announcement about the ultra cool wall paper :P
[12:03] <ogra> heh
[12:04] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:04] <ogra> i agree with phillip from the ML that its to distracting... but i have no children so i'm the wrong one to judge...
[12:04] <jsgotangco> my kid loves it!
[12:05] <ogra> btw, i tested xfce last night, its a real slick solutionfor a lightweight desktop :)
[12:05] <JaneW> quote from my persuasive e-mail: "I agree that grown adults don't always like the BRIGHT look, but children (and people who know children) consistently do."
[12:05] <ogra> and it works great with ltsp
[12:06] <ogra> JaneW, but i think sabdfl is right, we should get a professional artist next time... regarding that we only need wallpaper and splash that shouldnt be to expensiver
[12:06] <ogra> -r
[12:07] <JaneW> ogra agreed
[12:07] <jsgotangco> it would have helped if development started earlier? hello?
[12:07] <JaneW> JaneW so can we keep it as is for now? (re-email)
[12:07] <JaneW> JaneW I didn't realise a professional design was an option, sorry.
[12:07] <JaneW> sabdfl yes, go ahead
[12:07] <ogra> heh, yes, that too
[12:08] <JaneW> ogra is the ubuntu stuff done professionally?
[12:08] <ogra> yup
[12:08] <JaneW> if so I had no idea
[12:09] <JaneW> I thought it was community/staff created
[12:09] <ogra> wallpaper, splash and usplash are done by cliff
[12:09] <JaneW> see I never get answers when asking about the artwork
[12:09] <ogra> the artwork team (community) is still missng a direction, they just throw random stuff togetheer
[12:10] <ogra> this needs to get sorted for dapper... probably we can get something from them then
[12:10] <ajmitch_> they probably need to work to some specs :)
[12:11] <ogra> but the current state wouldnt have given us high quality work, even if they all do technically good stuff...
[12:11] <ogra> yes...
[12:11] <ogra> jdub was hoping to get at least a set of calendar images from them... but they still havent any direction or theme for this...
[12:12] <ogra> oh, heh
[12:12] <ogra> and i'm alone in #ubuntu-artwork 
[12:12] <ajmitch_> heh
[12:12] <ogra> cosy hanging around with the logbot
[12:13] <ajmitch_> even #ubuntu-bugs sees more action
[12:13] <JaneW> ogra: make a noise
[12:13] <JaneW> weird though because art work is the fun stuff, should be popular
[12:13] <ogra> to much reverb in this empty room ;)
[12:14] <ogra> its like a chrurch... you get echoes if you get to loud in empty IRC channels ;)
[12:14] <ajmitch_> hah
[12:14] <ajmitch_> JaneW: not nearly as popular as MOTU work!
[12:15] <ogra> yup
[12:15] <JaneW> heh
[12:15] <JaneW> yeah I guess super heros always get all the attention :P
[12:15] <ajmitch_> heh
[12:15] <ajmitch_> super heroes like ogra :)
[12:15] <ogra> MOTU really starts to grow up ... and i had no time to give a hand this release
[12:16] <ogra> but luckily there is dholbach :)
[12:16] <ajmitch_> ogra: we've successfully managed to get things done without you, and even when dholbach has been away
[12:16] <ogra> (who is swamped in main stuff too now)
[12:16] <ajmitch_> there are some good leaders in the MOTU crowd
[12:16] <ogra> ajmitch_, thats what i maent with "grown up" 
[12:17] <ogra> MOTU doesnt need external lead anymore... 
[12:17] <ajmitch_> btw I got the introdeveloperdocs from unfrgiven today
[12:17] <ogra> yes, i saw your conversation
[12:17] <ogra> how are they ? 
[12:17] <ajmitch_> they look quite good
[12:17] <ajmitch_> ~20 pages 
[12:17] <ogra> yay
[12:17] <jsgotangco> ajmitch_, wow!
[12:17] <ajmitch_> OOo is not playing nice though
[12:18] <jsgotangco> ajmitch_, can you forward me a copy ?
[12:18] <ajmitch_> it's funny reading the old tb meetings, and mdz saying that the MOTU leaders should be community people, not canonical :)
[12:18] <ajmitch_> jsgotangco: sure
[12:18] <ajmitch_> http://ankur.ath.cx/ubuntu/IntroDeveloperDoc_v0.05.odt
[12:20] <jsgotangco> just in time for breezy? hehe
[12:21] <ajmitch_> JaneW: slightly OT, but are you the one to talk to about bounties? :)
[12:28] <jsgotangco> alright i'm gonna go out first and buy some food
[12:29] <jsgotangco> i'll surely attend the meeting
[12:29] <jsgotangco> brb
[12:35] <highvoltage> JaneW: where did the current wallpaper come from?
[12:35] <JaneW> highvoltage: the stats quo is maintained
[12:36] <highvoltage> JaneW: keeping with the mustard?
[12:36] <JaneW> highvoltage: a community member
[12:36] <JaneW> no keep edubuntu girl
[12:36] <highvoltage> cool, i like edubuntu girl
[12:36] <JaneW> highvoltage: sabdfl love the website and wiki design btw
[12:36] <highvoltage> JaneW: I can access edubuntu.org, are you still having problems?
[12:36] <highvoltage> JaneW: did he see the real website? the one currently up is a bit incomplete.
[12:37] <JaneW> I was expecting to get the heat about those to, but he said "those look rather excellent. The Wiki skin and website skin both look very high quality. Well done."
[12:37] <JaneW> so congrats, well done and thank-you :))))
[12:37] <JaneW> yes I can access now
[12:37] <highvoltage> JaneW: you're feeling deflated now, but when Edubuntu 6.04 is released as a super-duper release, and compared to this one, you're going to feel excellent.
[12:38] <JaneW> highvoltage: hno73 has been working with Znarl again this morning, they want to do the wiki migration later too
[12:38] <highvoltage> i'm putting in leave for almost the entire december just to help out with edubuntu :)
[12:38] <JaneW> highvoltage: cool
[12:38] <JaneW> highvoltage: yippee
[12:38] <highvoltage> i want to be like ogra one day, i think he's the best.
[12:38] <highvoltage> even better than mds.
[12:38] <highvoltage> mdz even.
[12:38] <JaneW> highvoltage: hopefully a lot of ppl will help with edu over the festive season and we can make some good and early progress for 6.04
[12:39] <JaneW> heh
[12:39] <JaneW> when we grow up right ? ;)
[12:39] <highvoltage> JaneW: yes, which might not be a long time
[12:39] <JaneW> might have to do it now :)
[12:40] <JaneW> s/a/I
[12:42] <JaneW> ogra: did you update kamion on the wall paper decision yet?
[12:43] <ogra> JaneW, sabdfl did
[12:54] <JaneW> ogra: ok thanks
[12:54] <JaneW> ogra: are you up to a meeting in an hour?
[12:55] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in +- 1 hour
[01:03] <ogra> JaneW, sure
[01:07] <ajmitch_> heh
[01:45] <ogra> JaneW, what are the "Edubuntu Breezy Installation wallpapers" ?
[01:47] <ogra> yes, i still have a bunch of pending stuff lying around here
[01:47] <ajmitch_> I just got bzr 0.1.1 in, thankfully
[01:47] <ajmitch_> mpool worked hard to get it ready
[01:47] <ogra> yup
[01:55] <JaneW> ogra: see link
[01:55] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in +- 5 mins
[01:56] <JaneW> ogra: http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/31
[01:56] <ogra> ahh
[01:56] <ogra> ok
[02:01] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting NOW
[03:03] <mhz> Yagisan: welcome back
[03:04] <Yagisan> G'day mhz
[03:04] <Yagisan> how are things going mhz ?
[03:05] <mhz> cool! educool! how about your site and family?
[03:05] <jsgotangco> educool
[03:05] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:05] <jsgotangco> don't start a fad
[03:05] <mhz> fad?
[03:06] <Yagisan> mhz: Haven't worked on the site today - Did my quarterly financials today - and ran into a problem with the 8139too driver http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9972
[03:07] <mhz> that's ethernet card right?
[03:07] <Yagisan> mhz: yes
[03:08] <Yagisan> mhz: a fad is a short lived craze or fashion
[03:08] <mhz> ooooohhhooooo
[03:08] <Yagisan> the 8139too driver is a big issue - ALL of my ltsp clients have 8139 based net cards
[03:09] <mhz> and that is a very very very common used driver
[03:10] <Yagisan> yep - and broken in all recent kernels under high load
[03:11] <mhz> boooooh
[03:12] <mhz> I had problems yesterday trying to install edubuntu onto an old pc which has Trident video card, so Xorg complained a lot (still does)
[03:12] <Yagisan> mhz: tell it to use the vesa driver
[03:12] <Yagisan> memory may be tight on the card though
[03:13] <mhz> really could work?
[03:14] <Yagisan> yes - shouldn't be an issue (unless the card is ISA, then it may not work)
[03:14] <mhz> oh, i'll see this evening (6 more hours)
[03:19] <jsgotangco> JaneW, ping?
[03:19] <ogra> mhz, do it in lts.conf ... there is a example in the ltsp-client docs anywhere
[03:20] <mhz> ogra: oh, even cooler :p
[03:23] <spacey> http://www.flickr.com/photos/13916877@N00/48973686/ <-JaneW?
[03:23] <jsgotangco> that's our jane alright
[03:24] <spacey> aha :)
[03:24] <spacey> so i know what to look for on UBZ :p
[03:25] <mhz> spacey: what ot who to look for?
[03:25] <mhz> :D
[03:26] <spacey> so i can find janew i mean
[03:26] <mhz> i know, just me being mean this morning, no worries
[03:27] <jsgotangco> don't worry she knows kata box and aikido
[03:33] <mhz> oooops
[03:34] <mhz> my wife already kickes my butt everyday, my daughter does that too, and now by being mean, I got another potential agressor :D
[03:36] <jsgotangco> mhz, how do you lock a wiki page when its supposed to be an open collaborative wiki?
[03:37] <mhz> jsgotangco: basically, there are two methods:
[03:37] <mhz> a) we can use ACL
[03:37] <jsgotangco> the ACLs are set in the server we can't do that without asking elmo
[03:38] <mhz> good
[03:38] <jsgotangco> what's b)?
[03:39] <mhz> b) we can use CategoryFrozen and ask elmo to implement a kind of script so that all pages under that category get frozen
[03:39] <jsgotangco> no i'm just a slacker here
[03:40] <jsgotangco> question
[03:40] <mhz> either way, we still need the admin guy
[03:40] <jsgotangco> can CategoryFreeze be done by anyone?
[03:40] <ogra> mhz, hno is the admin of the moin servers, elmo is the server admin, and highvoltage is the guy who cares for the visible stuff
[03:41] <mhz> Henrik can implement SomeGroups with special powers and therefore we can use ACL and templates and Categories
[03:42] <mhz> jsgotangco: only by those with access to use it
[03:42] <jsgotangco> mhz, ah that's nifty then
[03:43] <mhz> however, ACL + Freeze Template will do very cool
[03:43] <mhz> because that way we do not need any script
[03:43] <mhz> :)
[03:43] <mhz> only the ACL right to use freezing features
[03:45] <mhz> jsgotangco: ACL that are not "public" are cool because people dont even notice there are "hidden" pages when visiting RecentChanges. In the case of using a FreezeTemplate, people will see the page but this will be immutable
[03:46] <jsgotangco> mmm
[03:46] <jsgotangco> if you can grab henrik later maybe you can ask...
[03:46] <jsgotangco> but we're merging wikis so it'll have a social impact
[03:55] <mhz> jsgotangco: social impact...... maybe. People will understand we need to freeze
[03:55] <mhz> eventually
[03:55] <mhz> jsgotangco: OR we can use another approach
[03:56] <mhz> EdubuntuMasterWiki and EdubuntuWiki
[03:56] <mhz> like moinmaster.wikiwikiweb.de and moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de
[03:56] <mhz> we all know that official docs are in moinmaster
[03:57] <mhz> and those are the docs we see on our moin servers
[03:57] <jsgotangco> brain overload..
[03:57] <mhz> but all the work is being done daily on moinmoin.wikiwikiweb
[03:57] <jsgotangco> we'll do that when we get there...
[03:57] <jsgotangco> try grabbing henrik later...
[03:57] <mhz> jsgotangco: hehehe, sorry
[03:57] <jsgotangco> welcome back lady jane
[03:58] <jsgotangco> yes
[03:58] <jsgotangco> i hate it
[03:58] <ogra>  It seems that appearance was done as an after thought and is given little value by the development process.
[03:59] <jsgotangco> i'd looooveee to rant at him
[03:59] <ogra> do it, if you keep with the CoC :)
[04:00] <ogra> " I can tell none of the current users of Edubuntu are actually pleased with the new artwork" ... how does he tell... we had exactly 3 complaints... so do we have only 3 users ? 
[04:01] <jsgotangco> file a bug...
[04:01] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:01] <ogra> hehe
[04:01] <mhz> ogra: you have jekner's email addres?
[04:01] <ogra> its in the mail
[04:01] <jsgotangco> on the list
[04:02] <ogra> 	jelkner@divmod.com
[04:02] <mhz> thx
[04:03] <ajmitch_> which mail is this you're talking about? :)
[04:03] <jsgotangco> "edubuntu desktop" in the edubuntu ml
[04:05] <JaneW> ack I was disconnected for ages
[04:05] <JaneW> did I miss anything at the end of the meeting?
[04:05] <ajmitch_> wb JaneW :)
[04:05] <JaneW> ty
[04:05] <ogra> nope
[04:05] <jsgotangco> nope
[04:06] <mhz> nope
[04:06] <jsgotangco> just talking about your hair really
[04:06] <ajmitch_> talk about tshirts & the like
[04:06] <ogra> JaneW, i made the next date the 19th 12:00 UTC...
[04:06] <ogra> hope thats ok
[04:06] <jsgotangco> and elkner's ass (according to flint)
[04:06] <mhz> lol
[04:07] <JaneW> ogra: thanks
[04:07] <JaneW> ogra: of course
[04:08] <ogra> :)
[04:08] <JaneW> jsgotangco: my hair!
[04:08] <JaneW> what DID I miss
[04:08] <ajmitch_> oh, not much :)
[04:08] <ajmitch_> ogra decided that the next edubuntu release would be based off suse ;)
[04:09] <JaneW> hee
[04:09] <ogra> yes, i just started porting yast and incorporate rpm in ubuntu :)
[04:09] <jsgotangco> JaneW, and thought of making the wallpaper nicer by adding your pic =)
[04:10] <ajmitch_> ogra: rpm is already there, and you're behind on porting yast :)
[04:10] <ogra> heh
[04:10] <ajmitch_> http://yast4debian.alioth.debian.org/
[04:10] <mhz> even better, Quinn's finger pic!
[04:10] <jsgotangco> mhz, YES
[04:11] <mhz> jsgotangco: we could use that pic for not-so-young wallpapers! LOL
[04:11] <jsgotangco> let's see the reaction of the 18 year olds when they use edubuntu with that wallpaper
[04:12] <jsgotangco> JaneW, we're supposed to discuss about the release notes?
[04:16] <JaneW> fwiw my t-shirt said 'Lizzy' 
[04:16] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:16] <JaneW> jsgotangco: and yes my hair was short (and yucky) once ;)
[04:16] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[04:16] <jsgotangco> we all have bad hair moments
[04:16] <jsgotangco> on camera
[04:17] <JaneW> heh
[04:17] <jsgotangco> JaneW, we're supposed to discuss about the release notes?
[04:17] <JaneW> yes
[04:18] <jsgotangco> ok im a bit cranky at the moment
[04:20] <JaneW> jsg shall we give it 15 mins or so
[04:20] <JaneW> jsgotangco: or is it past bed time?
[04:20] <JaneW> tea-break
[04:20] <jsgotangco> just tired
[04:20] <jsgotangco> can't think atm
[04:20] <jsgotangco> maybe later?
[04:20] <JaneW> coffee?
[04:20] <jsgotangco> how about now
[04:22] <jsgotangco> grrrr
[04:23] <jsgotangco> ok let's add a lot of edubuntu boys and girls in different colors
[04:23] <jsgotangco> the guy who did the wallpaper probably didnt even consider the color of the girl
[04:24] <jsgotangco> oh its Javacide
[04:24] <jsgotangco> he's from Manila too i think
[04:25] <enyc> what is this wallpaper i hear spoken about???
[04:26] <jsgotangco> enyc, this one
[04:26] <jsgotangco> http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/13
[04:26] <ogra> enyc, our final default wallpaper
[04:26] <ajmitch_> very final now :)
[04:26] <enyc> kk
[04:28] <enyc> ogra: btw,  what is the best way to workaround/fix the tuxpaint-needs-to-use-esd  issue ?
[04:28] <jsgotangco> ok that's nice to know Steve Torrefranca is from manila
[04:28] <enyc> e.g. redirect the binary  or edit menu somewhere?
[04:28] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yes he is from Philipines  but lives in Taiwan
[04:28] <ogra> enyc, i have not looked into that yet.. i'll add a howto to the wiki
[04:29] <jsgotangco> i'll send him an email
[04:29] <JaneW> here's a pic of him http://torrefranca.org/dev/?page_id=2
[04:29] <jsgotangco> JaneW, do you have his email?
[04:29] <JaneW> and sides the girl is more yellow than white anyway
[04:29] <enyc> im not sure this happens on edububtu cd install sinec ive not done this yet...... ;-)
[04:29] <JaneW> and I didn't even think of race
[04:30] <JaneW> and I live in SA where race has been a very historical issue
[04:30] <ogra> enyc, most likely it will...
[04:30] <JaneW> Steve Torrefranca <javacide@gmail.com>
[04:31] <JaneW> frankly (and this is JMHO) if Jeff wanted a say perhaps he could have bothered to have got involved?
[04:32] <ajmitch_> night all
[04:32] <JaneW> night
[04:32] <JaneW> ajmitch_: 3am now?
[04:32] <ajmitch_> 3:30
[04:32] <JaneW> yikes!
[04:32] <ajmitch_> I got moodle 1.5.2 in
[04:32] <JaneW> get some sleep dude!
[04:32] <JaneW> THANK-YOU
[04:33] <ajmitch_> but it still has the wwconfig-common deps, etc
[04:33] <ajmitch_> so that'll need fixed for dapper
[04:33] <JaneW> good good
[04:33] <ajmitch_> my solution is still half-baked :/
[04:33] <ogra> ajmitch_, i'll fix that as my first dapper action 
[04:34] <ajmitch_> ogra: ok, sorry I didn't get that done :(
[04:34] <ogra> dont worry... its secure and installable...
[04:34] <ogra> that all that matters now
[04:39] <enyc> ogra: .lease try install/run tuxpaint ;-)
[04:40] <enyc> ogra: install 'esound-clients' then run 'esddsp tuxpaint,   ;-)
[04:40] <enyc> ogra: install 'esound-clients' then run 'esddsp tuxpaint' even ;-)
[04:41] <jsgotangco> yuck
[04:42] <ogra> jsgotangco, yuck ? 
[04:43] <ogra> enyc, sorry, i cant currently, i'm in the middle of release test installs... but i'll note that down for later testing
[04:43] <enyc> kk ;-)
[04:43] <jsgotangco> ogra: elkner's email
[04:43] <ogra> jsgotangco, the "racists" mail ? 
[04:43] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:44] <ogra> yes, sigh
[04:44] <jsgotangco> its out of hand (topic)
[04:44] <ogra> the only chance to not make it a eternal thread is that nobody else answers...
[04:44] <jsgotangco> how would the wallpaper maker react (he's malay)
[04:45] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:45] <ogra> but probably it would break the silence on the ML ...
[04:46] <jsgotangco> i showed the thing during LinuxWorld over here and people loved it (the look)
[04:46] <ogra> i'd very much like to see our community wake up
[04:46] <enyc> btw...
[04:46] <jsgotangco> i have 2 schools committing to use it already and didnt even react on the artwork, just the functionality
[04:46] <enyc> if release is tomorrow.....
[04:47] <enyc> what happens r.e. copying images to  mirrors etc...?
[04:47] <jsgotangco> they sync eventually when the release is announced
[04:47] <ogra> its the same process ubuntu uses... we are located on te same servers
[04:48] <jsgotangco> 3rd parties can always check the site for mirror instructions
[04:48] <ogra> since we are "contained" in ubuntu
[04:48] <enyc> there will be manic download-overlaod tomorrow then ;p
[04:48] <ogra> JaneW, probably its good to have such thread to get our community awake...
[04:48] <JaneW> ogra: yes
[04:48] <jsgotangco> how many subscirbers do we have?
[04:48] <jsgotangco> 200+?
[04:49] <ogra> yes, around this
[04:49] <Yagisan> is there really such as fuss over the wall paper ?
[04:49] <JaneW> ogra: I am asking chmj if he finds it offensive as well (just to be sure)
[04:49] <ogra> Yagisan, yes
[04:49] <jsgotangco> by one email yes
[04:49] <JaneW> Yagisan: yes, unbelievably
[04:49] <jsgotangco> its crazy
[04:49] <ogra> Yagisan, when i work up today, everyone including sabdfl had alrady pinged me
[04:49] <jsgotangco> first it was termed creepy
[04:49] <jsgotangco> now racist?
[04:49] <ogra> *woke
[04:49] <JaneW> ogra: good freudian slip there
[04:50] <JaneW> ;)
[04:50] <ogra> heh
[04:50] <Yagisan> what on earth for ? It looks fine to me - I'd normally turn it off on a low memory client though
[04:50] <jsgotangco> yes exactly
[04:50] <jsgotangco> it can be easily changed
[04:50] <JaneW> jsgotangco: and it's not even JessicaX^ saying it :)
[04:50] <ogra> LOOOL
[04:50] <jsgotangco> elkner is reacting too much
[04:51] <ogra> i should have replied "we took it because we listen to our trolls"
[04:52] <JaneW> LOL
[04:52] <jsgotangco> even if we change the artwork it'll bork the whole build process for hours
[04:52] <JaneW> trouble is he reacts straight to sabdfl
[04:53] <pips1> hi all
[04:53] <jsgotangco> i can imagine how he reacts during UBZ
[04:53] <ogra> JaneW, and ? cant we cope with that ? 
[04:53] <pips1> I see you are still discussing the artwork...
[04:53] <JaneW> ok release notes
[04:53] <JaneW> ogra: we can, as evidenced this am ;)
[04:53] <JaneW> pips1: afraid so
[04:54] <ogra> pips1, sadly, yes... we'd have better things to do and cant change it anymore anyway
[04:54] <pips1> i see
[04:54] <jsgotangco> we'll see how reviewers see it anyways in a few days
[04:54] <ogra> yup
[04:54] <pips1> yep
[04:54] <jsgotangco> we can't be bothered by a few comments
[04:54] <pips1> I will write a *nasty* review ;-)
[04:54] <JaneW> Steve's duaghter is gorgeous :))
[04:55] <ogra> pips1, do you like it, or dont you like it ? 
[04:55] <pips1> hihi
[04:55] <pips1> hmmm I wrote my opinion to the list already
[04:55] <JaneW> Phillip
[04:55] <JaneW> ?
[04:55] <pips1> yep
[04:55] <ogra> oh, hi phillipp :=
[04:55] <ogra> :)
[04:55] <JaneW> hello
[04:55] <Yagisan> ahh - I found the mail - hmm they need their eyes checked - it's obviously a yellow girl - much like the simpsons are yellow
[04:55] <pips1> hi oliver
[04:56] <pips1> lol
[04:56] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:56] <ogra> pips1, a good headline for your review "Racistic educational branch of ubuntu found !"
[04:57] <jsgotangco> well i just sent an email to the local list that the wallpaper was made by a fellow countryman and that is good news for us
[04:57] <pips1> good one!
[04:57] <ogra> that will bring a good amunt of attention :)
[04:58] <pips1> I not so worried about the skin colour of the girl really, but I do think it is a distracting image for a desktop background
[04:58] <pips1> oops /I/I'm
[04:59] <Yagisan> heh - its actually more yellow then my little girl - and she's half japanese
[05:00] <ogra> pips1, it is distracting... but people didnt like the former one it seems and all others are idistracting too or have weird colors that make your eyes hurt... in fact it was the highest rated one we have on art.ubuntu.com...
[05:00] <jsgotangco> ogra: too late, i've already spammed the local lists and blogs saying that the wallpaper came from a local...heheh
[05:00] <pips1> yes, I understand all that... hmm
[05:01] <ogra> and we cant change it back anymore now...
[05:01] <pips1> well, I kind of sends out the signal THIS IS FOR KIDS!!! :-)
[05:01] <ogra> there was a short timeframe this morning where i had the opportunity, but sabdfl stepped back agaim
[05:03] <pips1> I have been guessing that this was happening in a somewhat heated rush... 
[05:03] <pips1> oh wel
[05:03] <pips1> l
[05:04] <pips1> talking about rushing things, I need to improve my irc typing ;-)
[05:04] <ogra> nope, there was no rush... but not discussing it on the ML was a mistake
[05:04] <pips1> you are right
[05:04] <jsgotangco> pips1: the wallpaper has been a communitry contribution for months...
[05:04] <JaneW> pips1: that';s the POINT
[05:05] <ogra> but who are we to not learn from our mistakes, i mean, hey, we make a edu distro, give us room to learn :)
[05:05] <JaneW> it was actually one of the first wall papers we received
[05:05] <JaneW> ogra: excellent point
[05:05] <pips1> jsgotangco and JaneW: I know
[05:05] <jsgotangco> its the wallpaper i used for my demos
[05:06] <JaneW> ok my kid is just contrary
[05:06] <pips1> jsgtangco: oh, how did people receive it then?
[05:06] <JaneW> I called my nearly 6 year old in and he chose mustard over edubuntu girl
[05:06] <ogra> lol
[05:06] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:07] <JaneW> ok jsgotangco release note are these right? 
[05:07] <JaneW> The Estate Agents commission for the sale of 100 3rd Ave was: R34 200
[05:07] <JaneW> incl VAT.
[05:07] <JaneW> oops not that
[05:07] <pips1> hey, guys I have clearly missed something, why do you think was sabdfl in favour of the edubuntu girl?
[05:08] <JaneW> this http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuReleaseCandidate
[05:08] <ogra> JaneW, wow, thats cheap
[05:08] <JaneW> ogra heh
[05:08] <jsgotangco> JaneW: that's the latest that we have and seems stable
[05:08] <ogra> pips1, because its community contributed...
[05:09] <pips1> fair enough!
[05:09] <JaneW> jsgotangco: ok I'll edit so it no longer says candidate
[05:09] <ogra> pips1, he and mdz totally misunderstood my post about the 10min gimp job
[05:09] <pips1> ogra: in what way?
[05:09] <ogra> the thought the girl was this gimp job, not the mustard...
[05:10] <jsgotangco> JaneW: right, and have ogra pass on it in case there are further changes
[05:10] <pips1> ogra: and then, huh?
[05:10] <jsgotangco> mustard was the 10min gimp job
[05:10] <jsgotangco> they thought it was the face
[05:10] <jsgotangco> *the first post said it looked creepy*
[05:10] <ogra> and sabdfl objected strongly to have a 10min gimp job wallpaper that looks "like that" ... after he found out the opposite ws the case, he was fine
[05:11] <JaneW> jsgotangco: where is ubuntu's announcement for tomorrow- just to compare
[05:11] <ogra> being community contributed beautified it it seems ;)
[05:12] <jsgotangco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseNotes -> is the ubuntu release notes
[05:12] <pips1> yes i understood that mustard was the 10 min job, but what made sabdfl + mdz's choose the edubuntu girl because of that misunderstanding?!
[05:13] <jsgotangco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DraftBreezyAnnouncement -> is the draft 5.10 release annoucement
[05:14] <ogra> pips1, the question was if i should revert it and risk another some hour lasting build of all isos or not...
[05:14] <pips1> ah ok
[05:14] <ogra> and we have no other artwork than mustard and the stuff on art.ubuntu.com ...
[05:14] <JaneW> ogra: do we have these completed? Install CD for the PC (Intel x86), 64-bit PC (AMD64) and PowerPC (Apple iBook and Powerbook, G4 and G5) architectures
[05:14] <JaneW> jsgotangco: many thanks
[05:14] <ogra> making a sane decision would have involved to discuss it again which takes time
[05:15] <jsgotangco> the build would be a big issue
[05:15] <ogra> JaneW, absolutrely...
[05:15] <JaneW> cool
[05:15] <ogra> JaneW, with my latest changes we have even more than 20MB space... if i could upload *now* i could add all artwork to the package :/
[05:16] <JaneW> cool - but too late ;/
[05:16] <ogra> yup
[05:16] <jsgotangco> crazy day for sure
[05:16] <JaneW> jsgotangco: the announcement needs to be e-mail friendly no? '''[http://www.ubuntu.com Ubuntu] ''' wont work
[05:16] <jsgotangco> ?
[05:17] <ogra> oh, the space comes from dropping gcompris from ppc, we should note that too... i couldnt find anything to compensate a 50MB package ...
[05:17] <jsgotangco> let me check
[05:17] <jsgotangco> ah so evil gcompris left the ppc
[05:17] <ogra> but it not an issue... since mdz and sabdfl belive we wont have ppc users (i doubt that though)
[05:18] <jsgotangco> ppc clients perhaps
[05:18] <ogra> yup
[05:18] <pips1> to be honest: this episode is quite ironic: the sabdfl makes decision without prior discussion (on the list) and his decision is fuelled by "but it [the artwork]  is community involvement" ;-)
[05:19] <JaneW> ogra: is this true with 5.10, mdz thought not "The aim is that an educator with
[05:19] <JaneW> > limited technical knowledge and skill will be able to set up a computer
[05:19] <JaneW> > lab, or establish an on-line learning environment, in an hour or less,
[05:19] <JaneW> > and then administrate that environment without having to become a
[05:19] <JaneW> > fully-fledged Linux geek."
[05:19] <ogra> if it would have been easy doable, i'd have dropped all server apps from ppc... but that would have required heavy changes to the installer and Kamion was overworked already
[05:19] <jsgotangco> JaneW: the link works
[05:19] <JaneW> jsgotangco: but surely not if cut into an e-mail?
[05:20] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[05:20] <ogra> JaneW, yes, with using the documents that is achievable
[05:20] <jsgotangco> just move the Moin tags
[05:20] <jsgotangco> s/move/remove
[05:21] <Yagisan> I'm sure there will be powerpc users - do know how many schools have old macs lying around
[05:21] <JaneW> erk but do we want to keep a wiki version too?
[05:21] <JaneW> maybe I shouldn;t remove them till I cut and paste in an e-mail
[05:22] <ogra> Yagisan, if you install from DVD it will be contained... or you can install it afterwards... there was just no way to make it fit on a CD 
[05:23] <Yagisan> ogra: I meant powerpc users in general (I'm a bit lagged here)
[05:23] <ogra> we have a CD for them... just not with 50MB gcompris :)
[05:25] <Yagisan> qemu doesn't want to cooperate with me :( 
[05:26] <Yagisan> it makes it difficult to make my multi-arch work :(
[05:30] <jsgotangco> ok im going to sleep
[05:30] <jsgotangco> night all
[05:30] <JaneW> ogra: some nice friendly mails from Matt just in
[05:31] <jsgotangco> oohh
[05:36] <JaneW> does anyone have time to change links in our wiki to point to wiki.edubuntu... instead of www.edubuntu ???
[05:37] <ogra> JaneW, sigh... i dont want to delay... not for a wallpaper change... except we can get cliff to create something for us
[05:37] <JaneW> ogra: sorry but please give me the link to your install notes again
[05:38] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallNotes
[05:38] <JaneW> ta
[05:43] <hno73> Hello! We are now planning to migrate the wiki, so there will be some down time
[05:45] <JaneW> please could we have proof readers for http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuReleaseCandidate
[05:45] <ogra> sigh...
[05:45] <ogra> InstallNotes was editied...
[05:45] <JaneW> ogra: please could you also prrof and add/remove from the features list as required
[05:45] <ogra> first let me fix the install notes
[05:46] <JaneW> edited a lot?
[05:46] <ogra> why cant people put comments at the bottom instead of the middle of the text
[05:49] <JaneW> yup
[05:50] <JaneW> ogra we need to synchronize changes to the release notes and the announcement
[05:50] <JaneW> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuReleaseNotes
[05:50] <JaneW> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuReleaseCandidate <- announcement
[05:50] <hno73> JaneW, ogra: I see that you are both actively using the wiki now
[05:51] <JaneW> yup
[05:51] <hno73> just be aware that it will go down soonish, for about 15 min
[05:51] <JaneW> I'll need to stop soon though
[05:51] <JaneW> kids need attention
[05:51] <JaneW> ogra will you take a look at them when you have a mo?
[05:51] <JaneW> I'll look again later, but it will need to be after 9pm
[05:51] <ogra> hno73, jus go ahead, i got both pages open here and wont edit bfore its up again
[05:51] <hno73> I would suggest you save edits to gedit locally in that period so you dont lose work
[05:51] <JaneW> hno73: go ahead, good luck and thanks :)
[05:52] <JaneW> I have closed all edits now
[05:52] <hno73> ogra: it wont come up again in the same place though :)
[05:52] <ogra> hno73, doesnt matter :)
[05:52] <hno73> same URL, but different wiki
[05:52] <hno73> ok :)
[05:52] <ogra> whoops, there its gone :)
[05:53] <JaneW> heh
[05:53] <hno73> here we go ...
[05:53] <ogra> JaneW, hmm, why is the complete feature list added again to ReleaseNotes ? i wiped it yesterday
[05:54] <JaneW> ogra: dunno
[05:54] <JaneW> ogra: sholdn;t it be there?
[05:54] <JaneW> jsgotangco prolly added it..?
[05:54] <ogra> i'm pressty fine with EdubuntuReleaseCandidate 
[05:54] <JaneW> cool :)
[05:54] <ogra> pretty too :)
[05:55] <ogra> but it differs from EdubuntuReleaseNotes
[05:55] <ogra> i like the first one more
[05:55] <JaneW> edit away!
[05:55] <JaneW> ciao
[06:04] <mhz_daughter> hno73: hi
[06:04] <hno73> mhz_daughter: hello!
[06:05] <mhz_daughter> anychance we can have ACL enabled for EditorGroup or alike? 
[06:05] <mhz_daughter> so we can use FreezeTemplate on some "master" documentation?
[06:06] <mhz_daughter> or EdubuntuEditorGroup
[06:08] <hno73> we are just now moving the wiki ...
[06:08] <hno73> pages are now up on wiki.u.c
[06:09] <mhz_daughter> okidoki
[06:10] <mhz_daughter> and possibly later? basically, the idea is to start cleaning "a little" the jungle
[06:10] <mhz_daughter> and help jerome tasks, as wll
[06:10] <mhz_daughter> well
[06:12] <ogra> hno73, ouch, you just copied them ? 
[06:12] <ogra> thats a bit weird...
[06:12] <mhz_daughter> ogra: not in Moin
[06:12] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallNotes 
[06:12] <ogra> it is...
[06:12] <ogra> we need to rename all pages ten
[06:12] <ogra> then
[06:13] <mhz_daughter> well, linking is an issue
[06:13] <ogra> not the linking... but if i open the above url i wouldnt expect a edubuntu install note :/ we have to change announcement etc...
[06:13] <hno73> ogra: yes that way you preserve edit history and attachments
[06:14] <hno73> you might want to rename some of them afterwards
[06:14] <ogra> hno73, i thought we'll get our own namespace 
[06:14] <mhz_daughter> so, hno73 is it gonna be /data (merged) or /data (unmerged) with InterWiki features
[06:14] <mhz_daughter> ?
[06:14] <hno73> ogra: you will. phase 2 ...
[06:14] <ogra> thats a bit odd... i understood it different
[06:14] <ogra> sigh, ok...
[06:15] <ogra> are you sure you didnt overwrite things like the ReleaseAnnouncement for ubuntu we have some pages with similar/the same names
[06:15] <hno73> yes, I cleaned it all out 
[06:16] <hno73> renaming where needed
[06:16] <ogra> ok
[06:17] <mhz_daughter> oh, so it'll be /data 'merged' not InterWiki
[06:55] <JaneW> ogra: one point there's no known issues list in our release notes... neede to fix that
[06:56] <ogra> i'll add them to the install notes rather...
[07:18] <hno73> We now have a new front page and a new wiki skin on wiki.edubuntu.org I'm not sure this is exactly how you guys wanted it done, but hopefully it's progress. I can spend some time restructuring the Edubuntu pages in the wiki if you want, with a main page and a Table of Contents and stuff, so things will be easier to find.
[07:19] <hno73> One nice thing is that the edubuntu wiki skin is much cooler than the ubuntu one now, so I for one always browse with that set as my default :)
[07:19] <ogra> hno73, oh, you didnt say step 1 and 2 would both happen today :)
[07:19] <hno73> sprea the word
[07:19] <ogra> yeah
[07:19] <hno73> oh, sorry
[07:19] <hno73> Is it causing problems for you?
[07:20] <ogra> so im fine now, awesome wrk, we owe you one or two...
[07:20] <ogra> i'm as happy as i can be :)
[07:20] <hno73> ok, weel just let me know if anything needs tweaking
[07:20] <hno73> :)
[07:23] <ogra> hmm, i have to select the css for ubuntu too ? 
[07:23] <ogra> i see the same css on both wikis
[07:25] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/FrontPage?action=show&redirect=StartSeite
[07:25] <ogra> oh
[07:25] <ogra> now i'm on the launchpad wiki
[07:27] <ogra> hno73, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/ reliably redirects me to the launchpad wiki
[07:27] <hno73> yes, confirmed (!?) investigating ...
[07:28] <ogra> it only happens with https
[07:28] <hno73> I guess we need to add a line to the apache conf
[07:28] <ogra> but since ubuntu redirects me automatically from http to https, its common to edit the url to go to wiki.edubuntu.org...
[07:32] <jono> hno73: nice work on the web pages / wiki. i'm connected via gprs now, so i can't see images, etc. i see you've renamed the other page to index-future.html
[07:33] <jono> can everyone who is present state so, I want to put up the F.A.Q.
[07:33] <hno73> ah, index-future should be deleted
[07:33] <jono> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuFAQ
[07:33] <jono> hno73: i can't see atm, do you have the menu's, etc on top?
[07:34] <jono> which quesstions should we have on the F.A.Q? And what is the questions we've been asked most so far?
[07:34] <hno73> where, front page or wiki?
[07:34] <hno73> (both have icons)
[07:34] <jono> ok, cool.
[07:34] <jono> hno73: thanks a billion gazillion, btw.
[07:35] <jono> hno73: i was real stressed out about the site, and just didn't get to it.
[07:35] <hno73> though you might need to change your skin in the wiki to see it
[07:35] <hno73> np :)
[07:35] <hno73> happens. I'll ask you for some help another time :)
[07:36] <jono> now that you mention it, i do. i had it changed on the ubuntu wiki previously.
[07:36] <jono> hno73: :)
[07:37] <hno73> Once I saw what needed to be done I just pushed it forward. I might have been a bit thin on communication though (sorry for any surprises folks :) )
[07:37] <jono> hno73: i probably said it before, but i have lots of respect for you for the work you have done in the free software community. being able to communicate with people like you and ogra on a regular basis is a real privilage
[07:37] <jono> hno73: no problem, whatever gets the job done :)
[07:37] <hno73> feel the ubuntu flow :)
[07:38] <jono> hno73: the news link on the site, can we point it to something like http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuNews/20051012 on the wiki, and then manage the news through the wiki?
[07:39] <jono> the /EdubuntuNews page can contain the news archives.
[07:39] <jono> and-
[07:39] <jono> can you lock down that page so that only privilages users can edit it?
[07:40] <hno73> I don't actually have edit rights on the front page (orcadas) do you?
[07:40] <hno73> Sounds sensible
[07:40] <jono> let me check, i'm vi'ing the file now.
[07:40] <hno73> yes, we can limit edit rights
[07:41] <hno73> I've had to mail changes to Karl so far
[07:41] <jono> yes, i can write to index.html on orcadas
[07:41] <hno73> But if you can edit it, please do
[07:41] <jono> ok, editing now..
[07:41] <hno73> ok, I'll step back from that then :)
[07:42] <jono> step back? byt why!?
[07:42] <hno73> I'll let you tweak and expand the front page as needed
[07:42] <jono> ok. i'm sure elmo can tweak the groups and permissions to give you access to :)
[07:42] <hno73> it still needs a few tweaks, like IE-friendly images and a red footer
[07:43] <jono> we'll do that more long-term.
[07:43] <jono> ooooh, IE friendlyness.
[07:43] <jono> what's the problem in IE atm? transparency?
[07:43] <hno73> Anyway, if I really feel like tweaking it I'll send files to you
[07:44] <hno73> yes, just needs a red background
[07:44] <hno73> no big deal
[07:44] <hno73> was on the bottom of my todo list :)
[07:44] <jono> ok
[07:47] <jono> Jeromee, JaneW, mwest, guim, ajmitch_: ping
[07:53] <jono> example pages:
[07:53] <jono> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuNews
[07:53] <hno73> investigating ...
[07:53] <jono> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuNews/20051012
[07:53] <jono> any ideas on layout?
[07:53] <jono> hmmm.. i'll have to check when i have images again
[07:54] <hno73> why do you need sub pages for different days (appart from the fact that currently breaks the theme ...)
[07:55] <hno73> actually, I guess it makes good sense :)
[07:55] <ogra> shoudnt the news be on the website like for ubuntu ?
[07:55] <jono> oh yes, it breaks themes. :(
[07:56] <jono> ogra: www.edubuntu.org
[07:56] <ogra> yes
[07:56] <jono> ogra: the news highlights go onto the site
[07:56] <jono> and then the stories are on the wiki
[07:56] <jono> the news section will be locked down so that only edubuntites (for lack of better word) can edit it
[07:57] <ogra> edubuntians :)
[07:57] <jono> ogra: what is the problem with the news being on the wiki?
[07:57] <jono> ogra: nice word
[07:57] <hno73> though I need to look into that
[07:57] <jono> hno73: is the theme fixable for sub-pages?
[07:57] <ogra> jono, if its locked down its ok....
[07:57] <hno73> we don't have any pages locked ATM
[07:57] <jono> hno73: or is it a limitation we need to work around?
[07:57] <hno73> it may even be a policy issue
[07:57] <jono> hno73: really? for news pages as well?
[07:57] <hno73> wanting to keep it open
[07:58] <jono> hno73: ok, we can start a wiki-watchers-subgroup that monitor changes and make sure that no one abuses it (adding spam, etc)
[07:58] <ogra> news shouldnt be world editable...
[07:58] <hno73> well, we haven't put news in the wiki before ...
[07:58] <jono> hmmm :/
[07:58] <ogra> yes, thats why i was asking
[07:58] <hno73> perhaps you can just put it on the site for now?
[07:59] <jono> if we can't lock it down, we should move it out of the wiki.
[07:59] <jono> ok.
[07:59] <hno73> use the current main page as a template ...
[07:59] <ogra> note that even ubuntu only has new news all few months, it wont be edited often
[07:59] <hno73> right
[07:59] <jono> ok, people can then send news to me or other web editors, and it can be added manually. not a problem.
[08:00] <ogra> yes, thats how we do it in ubuntu too
[08:00] <jono> ok. i thought it was part of the plone setup.
[08:01] <ogra> oh, is it intentional that the startpage shows the ubuntu content ? 
[08:02] <hno73> we should set up a new Edubuntu welcome page and point directly into that
[08:02] <ogra> #yup
[08:02] <hno73> not intentional as in thought through
[08:02] <ogra> its not identical with the FontPage
[08:02] <ogra> but it shows all ubuntu content
[08:03] <hno73> I don't think 'Welcome' got moved, but I have a copy
[08:03] <hno73> it sshould be http://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu really
[08:04] <hno73> I can rename that to http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSpec and them place the old 'Welcome'page there
[08:05] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu is a BOF spec from ubuntu
[08:05] <hno73> right, but should be renamed EdubuntuBOF or something
[08:06] <ogra> yes
[08:06] <hno73> so we can use http://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu
[08:06] <ogra> and should be a subpage of UDU
[08:06] <ogra> or CategoryBOF or something like that
[08:06] <hno73> right
[08:07] <hno73> these name conflics are inevitable when merging wikis I'm afraid
[08:08] <ogra> yup
[08:11] <ogra> hno73, is there a way for easy renaming ? 
[08:11] <ogra> probably without loosing the page history ? 
[08:12] <hno73> I think renaming preserves history
[08:12] <hno73> ogra: checking ...
[08:12] <ogra> hmm, i must admit i have no idea how to rename a page 
[08:13] <ogra> hah, blind me
[08:13] <hno73> oh, sorry. more actions dropdown
[08:13] <hno73> :)
[08:15] <ogra> ok, renamed
[08:15] <ogra> took ages... its very slow
[08:17] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Community
[08:17] <ogra> hmm
[08:17] <ogra> i dont think this merging stuff works well...
[08:21] <jono23> agh! i loose my connection when I receive an sms.
[08:22] <hno73> ogra: was saving pages much faster when the edubuntu wiki was by itself? 
[08:23] <ogra> yes, a lot
[08:23] <ogra> 10x or more
[08:23] <hno73> The slowness of saving pages has been an issue for a while now
[08:23] <hno73> interesting
[08:23] <hno73> but you have been using the main wiki too right?
[08:23] <ogra> it takes more than a minute, my browser sits there saying "waiting for ...."
[08:23] <hno73> which has been slow for a while
[08:23] <ogra> yes, it was always slow
[08:24] <ogra> but it got worse over time
[08:24] <ogra> noticeable
[08:24] <hno73> but the two wikis have always been on the same machine, running the same MoinMoin code
[08:24] <hno73> so it must be the number of files that does it
[08:25] <hno73> in a particular wiki tree
[08:26] <ogra> seems like, yes
[08:27] <hno73> Anyway, that's useful information. I'll look into that more
[08:29] <ogra> hmm, but the naming issue is bothering me a bit...
[08:30] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Community has the same content as http://wiki.edubuntu.org/Community so we force ourselves into prefixing all over the place
[08:31] <jono23> ah, i got it saved: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuFAQ
[08:31] <jono23> is the release info acurate?
[08:31] <ogra> not yet.. i'll do it tonight
[08:31] <ogra> i need to merge info from the several release notes pages we have
[09:32] <Trackilizer> I just wanted to ask, what's this distro about?
[09:32] <Trackilizer> I can't seem to be able to find screenshots.
[09:33] <crimsun> it's described on the front page of www.edubuntu.org
[09:34] <crimsun> click on FAQ if you wish to know more
[10:04] <ogra> could someone check for typos ? and if i missed a known issue we talked about in the meeting, please point it out ... http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes
[10:14] <pips1> ogra: I just quickly read throught InstallNotes, no typos 
[10:15] <ajmitch_> hi
[10:15] <pips1> The wording could be slightly more elegant, but I think it's all understandable. :-)
[10:16] <pips1> ajmitch_: hi
[10:17] <pips1> BTW, the website skin is looking good, I really like those gartoon icons :-)
[10:41] <pips1> ogra: I just quickly read throught InstallNotes, no typos 
[10:41] <ogra> thanks :)
[10:42] <ogra> yeah... looks like our final CD is up...
[10:42] <pips1> really?!
[10:42] <pips1> hohoho! congratulations, sr:!
[10:43] <pips1> :-)
[10:43] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/
[10:43] <ogra> this will be the final...
[10:44] <ogra> no further builds planned, no content changes possible
[10:45] <pips1> 12-Oct-2005 20:35 
[10:45] <pips1> those ones...
[10:45] <pips1> ?
[10:46] <ogra> yup... (note that UTC times its 15 min old) 
[10:46] <ogra> *thats
[10:46] <pips1> how does it feel?
[10:47] <ogra> hmm... 
[10:47] <pips1> I read even your fellow MOTUs are telling you to get more sleep! ;-)
[10:47] <ogra> i'm tempted to be happy... but its not really what i wanted... so my feelings are a bit ambivalent
[10:48] <ogra> heh, yes, i wont leave the bed over the weekend i guess
[10:48] <pips1> :-D
[10:48] <pips1> hey, what is bugging you then? the "known issues"?
[10:49] <ogra> yup
[10:49] <ogra> there are to many ...
[10:49] <pips1> i mean, the stuff that is not 100% working (LTSP glitches, etc.)?
[10:49] <ogra> but whats buggin me more are the unknown ones ;)
[10:50] <pips1> mpffft
[10:50] <ogra> yes... i wnated a shiny slick release with no manual work required.... 
[10:51] <ogra> and all the tools you need for administration etc...
[10:51] <pips1> this is my first time witnessing a distribution release being done (ubuntu, more than edubuntu)... and I am amazing by the whole process!
[10:51] <ogra> yup, its very exciting :)
[10:52] <pips1> yes, it got my excited enough, and I wasn't even coding, fixing stuff, ...!
[10:52] <pips1> just submitting stuff to bugzilla and testing... 
[10:52] <ogra> thats a good contribution :)
[10:53] <pips1> thanks
[10:54] <pips1> ogra, I need to continue with other pressing stuff right now... (schooltool related)
[10:54] <pips1> cu l8r ! :-)
[10:54] <ogra> bye, thanks for helping and have fun :)
[10:55] <pips1> my pleasure!
[10:56] <pips1> edubuntu 1 might be a "warty" rather than a "breezy" but hey, it's the very first release, don't kill yourself over all those things that didn't quite make it 
[10:57] <pips1> I'm already impressed by all the edu apps and I like the edubuntu desktop icons so much, I'll get them for my ubuntu laptop too :-)
[10:59] <ogra> heh :)
[11:42] <jinty> hey ogra, congrats, hope all goes smoothly
[11:43] <ogra> me too... just downloading the last image...
[11:43] <ogra> and tomorrow the DVD
[11:43] <jinty> cool, also, in future, let me know about any issues with schooltool
[11:44] <jeang> hi all - quick question, have a pc running 5.10.  can i dist upgrade to edubuntu next week?
[11:44] <jeang> or am i looking at a fresh install>
[11:45] <ogra> jinty, i'll do :)
[11:45] <ogra> jeang, just install edubuntu-desktop and edubuntu-server and you have a edubutu install ;)
[11:46] <jeang> ogra - thanks
[11:46] <ogra> jeang, the archive is locked since 24h for non universe uploads, what you get is the final release now... 
[11:47] <ogra> (if you only want a desktop, dont install -server indeed ;) )
[11:47] <jeang> ogra - cool.. see a busy weekend ahead!
[11:47] <ogra> heh :)