[12:03] <Riddell> but it does give you the impression that you're in quake
[12:03] <allee> convienced Okay I'll try
[12:04] <Tonio-> allee: it is fully configurable
[12:04] <allee> Riddell: quake? bah!  the OS/Dist is _the_ game.  Every half a year a new update with new levels to get used to and new (mis)features to fight with
[12:07] <Riddell> touching Makefile.in's doesn't help
[12:07] <Tonio-> allee: whow, 3.1 megs patch.....
[12:09] <allee> Tonio-: one has to get used to it with auto* tools.  Nothing special :( :( :(  Hmm, maybe it's time to find the culprit and fix it with a 'touch'.
[12:09] <allee> looks like Makefile.in are younger that Makefile.am. shit
[12:09] <allee> have to look more closely
[12:10] <Tonio-> allee: to be honnest I'm not a developper, and I now don't follow you ^_^
[12:10] <Tonio-> so if you can find a solution, I will had it to the package, but I cannot search
[12:10] <allee> If Makefile.in is older than Makefile.am it's rebuild, just like make rebuild .o when .cpp is more recent
[12:10] <Riddell> Tonio-: I am a developer and I don't follow automake
[12:11] <allee> Riddell: you know someone that knows automake?????  Coolo does count, he an alien
[12:12] <allee> Tonio-: W: yakuake: script-not-executable ./usr/share/apps/yakuake/default/install.sh
[12:12] <Tonio-> okay, changing this
[12:13] <Tonio-> well, in any case, the 3.1 megs patch works fine :) if that can be called a good news ^^
[12:15] <allee> Tonio-: not sure if the install.sh not installed and done during deb build (no idea what skins etc are used there)
[12:16] <allee> s/not installed/should be installed at all/
[12:17] <Tonio-> allee: it is indeed created during deb buil, but I personnaly see it with a 755 chmod.
[12:17] <allee> Tonio:  rm -r debian/yakuake/./usr/share/applnk
[12:18] <Tonio-> allee:  ??? has to be removed during clean  ?
[12:19] <allee> no post make install.  It should be removed from deb.  the desktop file in /usr/share/applications/kde is enough
[12:20] <Tonio-> allee: and how to perform this in rules ?
[12:21] <Riddell> Tonio-: just add it under the dh_install link
[12:21] <Riddell> line
[12:21] <allee> oh, no cdbs ?
[12:21] <Tonio-> Riddell: I use cdbs ;)
[12:22] <Riddell> allee: it is cdbs
[12:23] <allee> ah, seen it. Yes, you're right.
[12:24] <allee> he, uses freedesktop convention in desktop file an installed it in old location
[12:24] <Riddell> allee: that's quite common
[12:24] <Riddell> for compatibility with old KDEs
[12:25] <allee> how's still running kde < 3.2   *duck*
[12:25] <allee> Tonio-: why do you use autotools.mk and not kde.mk?
[12:26] <Tonio-> because it works with autotools.mk ;) hehe
[12:26] <Tonio-> but I can change this
[12:27] <Tonio-> allee: I think remembering kde.mk includes autotools.mk right ?
[12:27] <allee> Tonio-: yes.
[12:29] <allee> bah. auto*shit* runs also with kde.mk :(
[12:29] <Tonio-> Riddell: touching all Makefile files worked for me :)
[12:30] <Tonio-> so maybe that can be done via a cdbs patch right ?
[12:31] <allee> Tonio-: not a patch but in rules
[12:32] <Tonio-> okay, and, to learn, can you explain me the reason of why in rules allee  ?
[12:33] <allee> Tonio-: try to remove the config.h in clean rule.
[12:34] <allee> Tonio-: err forget it
[12:36] <allee> patch changes file content, touch the timestamp.  and the timestamps is what make confuses.  Using empty dummy patches is a bit overkill just to touch a file
[12:39] <Tonio-> okay, but to make touch before the installation, should that be in a "preinstall" file ?
[12:39] <allee> Tonio-: long desc homepage: why the kde-apps url and not the official website?
[12:40] <Tonio-> allee: because url was added when the program had no hoimepage, and that's already corrected
[12:40] <allee> 'k
[12:44] <allee> Tonio-: debian/README.Debian has no final newline (either original or modified version)
[12:44] <allee> Tonio-: debian/README is enough.  dh_installdocs appends .debian
[12:46] <Tonio-> allee: ok changed.
[12:47] <Tonio-> allee: how do you perform a preinstall action with cdbs in rules ?
[12:47] <Tonio-> never done that before so I might need a first example
[12:48] <allee> cdbs doc on duckcorp had an example AFAIR
[12:48] <Tonio-> k
[01:01] <Tonio-> allee: I found, thanks a lot for your help ;)
[01:01] <Tonio-> allee: It really help learning.
[01:02] <allee> :)
[01:03] <allee> More to come.  Hardcore stuff wait ... ;)
[01:03] <Tonio-> allee: I must say your knowledge in packaging is quite..... amazing is the only word I can find
[01:04] <allee> no!  there are much more and many more kownledgeable pkg out there
[01:04] <allee> s/pkg/pkger/
[01:04] <Tonio-> the problem is that I have the fealling that at a certain point, you cannot progress if you don't have knowledge in developpment
[01:05] <Tonio-> and I don't want to become a developper in any way !
[01:08] <allee> here it is! worse, worser: http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2005/qa-meeting-darmstadt/  'fixing autotools' video
[01:08] <allee> AFAIR the first half is intro the second half discusses ways to fix, broken tarballs
[01:09] <allee> of course I've forgotten the recommended way to fix auto* already
[01:11] <Tonio-> allee: I'm looking but I don't think we have autotools errors actually....
[01:11] <Tonio-> allee: package builds fine without any autotools dep :)
[01:12] <allee> he, he!
[01:12] <Tonio-> touching makefile.in of course
[01:13] <Tonio-> ho ? sorry, was wrong, got an error at the last second... damn !
[01:14] <allee> nevertheless timestamps are somehow crap.  I've found that subdirs file is missing in tarball. next 'bug' is configure.files maybe touch fixes it, but maybe it's too new then and other stuff gets rebuild.  Can't wait until autotools are replaced by bksys!
[01:16] <Tonio-> allee: can wait until we get a "make_deb_from_tarball" function that works in any case ^_^
[01:17] <allee> Tonio-: try to ominous perlmodule DWIW ;)
[01:18] <Tonio-> okay builds fine with automake added....
[01:18] <Tonio-> looking once again if I didn't miss anything and upload...
[01:30] <Tonio-> Riddell: yakuake reuploaded, all your comments are (I assume) resolved, as allee ones...
[01:31] <allee> Tonio-: at least someone got his work done.  Here vmware refuses my hoary CD :(
[01:33] <Tonio-> hu ?
[01:33] <Tonio-> I may help you maybe on that point
[01:33] <Tonio-> maybe.... I'm using vmware a lot for my job
[01:33] <Tonio-> but little question, why not using xen ?
[01:34] <allee> Tonio-: Good question.  Lazy?  I have to use vmware windown because my boss uses it
[01:34] <Tonio-> it is MUCH more powerfull
[01:34] <allee> but windows and xen are still a no-no right?
[01:35] <Tonio-> okay, what version are you using ? Windows or Linux ?
[01:35] <Tonio-> windows ?
[01:35] <allee> windows only when my boss has a problem for testing.
[01:35] <Tonio-> allee: waiting for the next pentium generation it is no-no, right
[01:35] <Tonio-> it'll be resolved with xen 3 and P4 VL
[01:35] <Tonio-> about december.....
[01:36] <allee> now I what a not-only-a-changeroot env for hoary, sarge, sid for testing 'my' kde pkgs
[01:36] <allee> VL?
[01:36] <Tonio-> think it is VL, let me check....
[01:37] <allee> is this the virtualization support Intel plans for (future?) P4?
[01:40] <Tonio-> Vanderpool, commonly called VL
[01:41] <Tonio-> ;)
[01:41] <Tonio-> I was searching for the real name
[01:41] <Tonio-> xen will make usage of the P4 Vanderpool
[01:41] <Tonio-> that's exactly this allee yep. I saw a demo, and that works great !
[01:42] <allee> ah. So nothing for laptops yet or is it planed for Pention-M too?
[01:42] <Tonio-> anyway, what kind of error do you get with vmware ?
[01:42] <allee> fixed it a second ago.  Using the iso instead of the cd worked
[01:42] <Tonio-> allee: unfortunatly no.... anyway, virtualisation doesn't target laptops in the first place ;)
[01:43] <allee> Problem was that it tried to boot from net and when I press escape it told me no bootable cd
[01:43] <Tonio-> allee: nice you found ;)
[01:43] <allee> but I've intalled 3 hoary systems with this cd already
[01:43] <Tonio-> that can be a portmapping issue....
[01:43] <allee> maybe the automounter confuses vmware.  I tried unmounting but and restart vmware.  No go ..
[01:44] <allee> Portmapping?  I created a fresh 'other 2.6 linux' vmware machine.  So no OS (hoary) yet
[01:44] <Tonio-> stupid question but did you correctly configured the cdrom mapping in your virtual machine ? forgetting this already happened to me so....
[01:45] <allee> vmware used /dev/cdrom with points to /dev/hdc  (that's correct)
[01:45] <Tonio-> I was talking of the cdmapping in order to boot your virtual machine on the physical cdrom
[01:45] <allee> I'll later try what happens when I boot vmware-windoof
[01:45] <Tonio-> yep that sounds correct
[01:47] <allee> ~ach/.vmware/preferences was owned by root.  Strange
[01:47] <Tonio-> allee: react as a system administrator (like me) "dunno why it works, but, shit, it works, that's the point !!"
[01:47] <Tonio-> typically what you have to say when working on ms systems ;)
[01:47] <allee> yeah. I'll chown and ignor the why ;)
[01:48] <allee> ah, that's why I'm not used to it ;)
[01:48] <Tonio-> and give the perfect explanation : "I had a problem, burt resolved it modifing jeys in the registry"
[01:48] <allee> Tonio-: has breezy xen support?
[01:48] <Tonio-> nobody will never ask for more explanation in front of this ;)
[01:48] <allee> lol
[01:48] <Tonio-> allee: well debian sarge has, so I assume breezy will do the job yep
[01:49] <allee> hmm, maybe time to put xen on my list to check more carefully.
[01:49] <Tonio-> I installed a xen server this week using debian sarge testing and precompiled binaries
[01:50] <Tonio-> I didn't recompile it cause this is what create the most problems
[01:50] <allee> I currently have a box with bootable sarge, sid, hoary, breezy and suse partions. But rebooting is annoying (if a chroot /os/<of-my-choide> is not enough
[01:50] <Tonio-> and if you want an easier doc, I may send it to you, cause the official one is...... pain in the ass, really ;)
[01:51] <Tonio-> what is amasing with xen is that you can create a virtual machine whithout installing a system ;)
[01:51] <allee> uh!!!
[01:51] <Tonio-> simply copying files from the host system and booting it using one of the givens kernels ;)
[01:51] <Tonio-> I did like that and it works like a charm ;)
[01:51] <allee> please send my the simple doc
[01:52] <Tonio-> and you are not obliged to use a virtual disk, physicall partition does the job hehehe
[01:52] <Tonio-> let me check, I may have it but it is in french....
[01:52] <Tonio-> to give you an idea, simply
[01:52] <Tonio-> you install debian sarge on a partition
[01:52] <allee> already done;)
[01:52] <Tonio-> then create a new one, formatting in ext3
[01:53] <Tonio-> mounting and copying /usr, /bin, /etc and I don't have the full list in my head ;)
[01:53] <allee> no pb
[01:53] <Tonio-> unmounting, and creating the virtual machine config file, choosing a kernel to boot it and that's it hehe
[01:53] <Tonio-> xen is M.A.G.I.C
[01:54] <Tonio-> also, if you want something really optimised, I would suggest installing debian from the webinstall iso, and don't install any complementary package
[01:54] <allee> Tonio-: sounds like my already installed sid, hoary, breezy partitions can be reused by xen 'as is'
[01:54] <Tonio-> that'll give you a 200 megs system
[01:55] <Tonio-> allee: technically, you can boot your secondary systems wihout changing anything yes ;)
[01:55] <Tonio-> need modifications if it is fedora
[01:55] <allee> fedora what's that?
[01:55] <Tonio-> fedora core.....
[01:56] <Tonio-> don't know it ?
[01:56] <allee> :)
[01:56] <Tonio-> ah oki irony ;)
[01:56] <Tonio-> and I would recommand to clean /etc/network/interfaces
[01:56] <allee> I know about it but last time I tried it it was still called redhat
[01:56] <Tonio-> network parameters and virtual network card is to be set in the virtual machin's conf
[01:57] <Tonio-> let me poweron my laptop
[01:57] <Tonio-> fedora is a quite good experimental system
[01:57] <Tonio-> but completly messup for home use
[01:58] <allee> how does one handle 2 Xserver some running in e,g. breezy and one in hoary?
[01:58] <Tonio-> I'm gonna send you my doc in french, maybe you can use a translator ? the is not much text and it is not complicated french.....
[01:59] <Tonio-> allee: you can run 2, 3 or 4 systems
[01:59] <Tonio-> booting on different kernel versions
[01:59] <Tonio-> not a problem
[01:59] <allee> Tonio-: yeah, but there's only one display
[01:59] <Tonio-> all you have to do is create several config files and config xen to autostart each of them
[02:00] <Tonio-> allee: you will not see the display....... VNC
[02:01] <allee> ah vnc
[02:01] <Tonio-> or remote session using X
[02:01] <Tonio-> or open terminal server ;)
[02:01] <Tonio-> you have the choice
[02:02] <allee> :)
[02:02] <Tonio-> but xen is designed to build servers, so the graphical problems are..... ignored ;)
[02:03] <allee> Tonio-: my problem is X because I need to test pkgs in sarge,sid,hoary (running breezy natively)
[02:03] <Tonio-> allee: use X on the main system
[02:03] <Tonio-> and no X on virtualised ones
[02:04] <allee> and then vnc to the different running OS.  sounds good.
[02:05] <Tonio-> yep, but I hope you have a lot of RAM if you wanna have X on each system.....
[02:05] <Tonio-> you email allee  ?
[02:05] <Tonio-> sending you the doc
[02:05] <allee> ach@mpe.mpg.de
[02:05] <Tonio-> ....................................................in french........
[02:06] <allee> no problem I'll find someone here
[02:06] <Tonio-> you might be able to understand the main part...
[02:07] <Tonio-> also I don't explain how to make usage of dhcp in virtual machines, ut you may find that on the official doc
[02:08] <Tonio-> allee: mail sent
[02:08] <allee> dhcp should be no challenge, when I get the idea how the virtual hardware is defined
[02:08] <allee> thx
[02:09] <Tonio-> I think you just have to change network options by dhcp = "dhcp" or something like that in the VM conf file and that's it
[02:09] <Tonio-> but I never use it...... servers gnerally are not using dhcp ;)
[02:11] <allee> 'k
[02:14] <allee> grmbl. hoary find no partionable disk in vmware
[02:16] <Tonio-> arf.....
[02:16] <Tonio-> are you using physicall partition or virtual disk ?
[02:16] <allee> no via file (max 6 GB, not prealloc)
[02:16] <Tonio-> allee: why not trying breezy ?
[02:17] <allee> no need. My laptop runs already breezy
[02:17] <Tonio-> hum........
[02:17] <Tonio-> are vmware tools available for debian ?
[02:18] <Tonio-> that might help :)
[02:18] <allee> good question
[02:19] <Tonio-> but anyway, you need to install the system to install it in it, so forget that for the moment ;)
[02:19] <allee> only vmware xorg module
[02:19] <Tonio-> did you emulate a sata or ide disk ?
[02:19] <allee> Tonio-: scsi.
[02:20] <Tonio-> that can be the issue ;)
[02:20] <Tonio-> why not trying to emulate ide ?
[02:20] <allee> sorry my disk is p-ata ide
[02:20] <Tonio-> sounds correct......
[02:20] <allee> vmware chooses an scsi disk
[02:20] <Tonio-> can't you change to ide ? (didn't use vmware linux for a long moment....)
[02:21] <allee> me never installed linux in vmware up to now
[02:21] <Tonio-> according to what I remember you can set the disk type and I assume "generic scsi" isn't the best thing for hoary
[02:22] <allee> (because wine is not perfect with work and pp)
[02:22] <Tonio-> but is vmware running on windows or linux ?
[02:22] <allee> vmware runs in breezy
[02:22] <Tonio-> have a guy ?
[02:22] <allee> ?
[02:23] <Tonio-> gui
[02:23] <Tonio-> :)
[02:23] <allee> yeah. Using konversation without problem ;)
[02:23] <Tonio-> not understading ;)
[02:23] <Tonio-> do you have a gui for vmware ?
[02:24] <allee> ah, yes.
[02:24] <Tonio-> okay, isn't it possible to create an ide virtual disk for your virtual machine ?
[02:24] <Riddell> Tonio-: I'm going to just upload yakthing unless you have any objections, it won't get in otherwise (and may well not get in anyway)
[02:25] <Tonio-> Riddell: I assume the package is correct because I applyed all u=you commented and all allee did so, you of course can
[02:26] <Tonio-> Riddell: I should have talk to you about it before ;) sorry
[02:28] <Tonio-> Riddell: concerning the bootsplash, I'll perform something tomorrow, I done tests toonight, but it is difficult to find convincing colors.....
[02:28] <Riddell> Tonio-: it's too late
[02:28] <Tonio-> hu ?
[02:28] <Riddell> everything is frozen solid now except maybe universe
[02:29] <Tonio-> damn........... I thought tomorrow was okay.........
[02:29] <Riddell> (universe isn't frozen but I don't know if NEW will be processed)
[02:29] <Riddell> so did I actually, means my fix for antialiasing on kdm won't get in
[02:29] <Tonio-> sorry, really !
[02:29] <Riddell> not your fault
[02:30] <Tonio-> if I had known that I would have focused on ksplash......
[02:30] <Tm_T> hm
[02:30] <Tm_T> btw that usplash is too dark imho
[02:31] <Riddell> Tm_T: shoosh
[02:31] <Tm_T> =)
[02:31] <Tonio-> Tm_T: too dark and "dirty" compared to ubuntu's one
[02:31] <Tm_T> Tonio-: I'm talking about ubuntu's one
[02:32] <Tonio-> Tm_T: I find ubuntu's one okay except that black background isn't the choice I would have done
[02:32] <Tm_T> uh, dizy
[02:32] <Tm_T> Tonio-: well, brown in black is too dark imho
[02:33] <Tm_T> but ignore me, I'm just old fart and dizzy atm
[02:33] <Riddell> that's what happens when you only have 16 colours
[02:33] <Tm_T> yeah
[02:33] <Tm_T> true
[02:33] <Riddell> Windows does the same (and they use too many gradients to there's lots of dithering)
[02:33] <Tonio-> the problem is that black background gives the filling to be "in a shell with an image on the top"
[02:33] <Tm_T> heh
[02:34] <Riddell> well I think I'm off to bed, full attendance tomorrow please for CD testing!
[02:34] <Tonio-> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=1380&d=1118768544
[02:34] <Tm_T> Riddell: sleep well, you're precious
[02:34] <allee> nite Riddell 
[02:34] <Tonio-> this, even with 16 colors and a limited resolution would have been nicer to me, but well.....
[02:35] <Tonio-> nite Riddell 
[02:35] <Tm_T> Tonio-: yes, but people like me prefer grey on black
[02:35] <Tm_T> too much Konsole/irssi ;)
[02:35] <Tonio-> arf ;)
[02:35] <allee> Tonio-: I missed the had setting.  removed scsi, added ide now hoary install basesystem...
[02:36] <Tonio-> anyway, do you know why they have choosen usplash instead of splashy ?
[02:36] <Tonio-> splashy isn't 640 480 limited, isn't 16 colors limited......
[02:36] <Tonio-> allee: nice ;)
[02:38] <Tm_T> those limits arent even bad
[02:38] <Tonio-> Tm_T: with splashy you can use 1280 1024 16M colors and the configuration is a little xml file, so I must say I don't understand unless there are technical points I don't know
[02:38] <Tm_T> uuuh
[02:39] <Tm_T> Tonio-: agreed now
[02:39] <Tm_T> =)
[02:39] <Tonio-> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41709
[02:39] <Tonio-> look at that
[02:39] <Tonio-> so if there is a good reason for the usplash choice, I would like to know it ^^
[02:41] <Riddell> Tonio-: I assume there is since, as I say, Windows does the same
[02:41] <Riddell> ask sladen or mjg59
[02:42] <Riddell> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuBreezyTestPlan
[02:45] <Tonio-> Riddell: no need to disturb them, the response is certainly already given on ubuntuforums, but I didn't took the time to search.
[02:48] <Tonio-> Riddell: I'll perform a test tomorrow at about twelve, but not more, crazy day in perspective...... (jboss + ejbca certification server to build whithin xen...)
[03:09] <allee> Tonio-: you xen doc is instructive even without understanding french.  Examples tell more than 1000 works.
[03:11] <allee> only point is AFAIU the kernel in a xen domain has to be build for 'arch' xen.  So standard breezy, sid etc kernels don't do.  but that now a big deal to modify kernel config and rebuild.
[03:16] <allee> nite
[07:37] <Lathiat> Riddell: about?
[07:38] <Lathiat> Riddell: shouldnt the system menu -> settings open the same thing as "system settings" in the K menu
[07:38] <Lathiat> Riddell: the settings:/ that the system -> settings brings up seems to be a subset of kmenu->system settings at any rate
[07:39] <Lathiat> Riddell: also under user account, if i try change my image, it says the administrator has disabled that
[07:39] <CaiN_SA> while your on the system settings
[07:39] <CaiN_SA> the window it works in is bugged
[07:40] <CaiN_SA> if i run the network config tool in there 
[07:40] <CaiN_SA> the window doesnt lock the size and i cant click on the buttons for admin mode or anything
[07:41] <Lathiat> CaiN_SA: "network settings" ?
[07:42] <CaiN_SA> ya
[07:42] <Lathiat> works for me
[07:42] <CaiN_SA> see the window is > 1024 here
[07:42] <CaiN_SA> and i cant resize it
[07:42] <CaiN_SA> refuses to move
[07:42] <Lathiat> resizes to the right size for me
[07:42] <CaiN_SA> what network config is used in kubuntu ?
[07:42] <Lathiat> does disallow resizing tho
[07:43] <CaiN_SA> maby i got wrong tool installed
[07:43] <CaiN_SA> can you tell me the app name?
[07:44] <CaiN_SA> i got this : knetworkconf
[07:44] <Lathiat> i dunn
[07:44] <Lathiat> o
[07:44] <Lathiat> how do i find out
[07:45] <Lathiat> yeh
[07:45] <Lathiat> thats the one
[07:45] <Lathiat> there also seems to be a bug with some of the settings things
[07:45] <Lathiat> if you hit show all
[07:45] <Lathiat> and it asks to save
[07:45] <Lathiat> if you hit apply
[07:45] <Lathiat> th ething goes back but that config page is reloaded in the background somewhere
[07:45] <Lathiat> and as such you cant open it again
[07:46] <Lathiat> and i knwo its reloaded as when i do it with the network one it does the "detecting platform" thing again
[07:48] <CaiN_SA> Lathiat, what resolution you running ?\
[08:05] <CaiN_SA> Lathiat, and it doesnt happen in kcontrol
[09:27] <Lathiat> CaiN_SA: 1680x1050
[09:29] <CaiN_SA> ya see Lathiat 
[09:29] <CaiN_SA> i think thats why
[09:29] <CaiN_SA> i recon it goes bigger than 1024x768 by default
[09:29] <CaiN_SA> and then i cant reach the buttons ;/
[09:46] <Tonio-> morning
[09:47] <\sh> moins
[10:49] <Tonio-> hum......... anyone dist-upgraded this morning ?
[10:50] <Tonio-> what is this font decoration on the desktop ??? It's almost unreadable if you have a dark wallpaper.....
[10:53] <sebas> Tonio-: Did you enable the shadow?
[10:55] <Tonio-> let me check.... fresh install I didn't enable anything ;)
[10:56] <Tonio-> I think it is activated yes....
[10:56] <Tonio-> sebas: just look at this :
[10:58] <Tonio-> http://planetemu.net/temp/capture8.png
[10:58] <Tonio-> with my laptop screen it is, well......... unreadable, even if there is a kind of shadow on fonts
[10:59] <sebas> http://vizzzion.org/~sebas/tmp/hmm.png It looks this way over here.
[10:59] <sebas> That's readable on pretty much every backgroundcolor
[10:59] <Tonio-> I had that before upgrading ;)
[11:00] <Tonio-> okay, I assume it is a local problem..... I'll change the font config, juste wanted to be sure if wasn't by default cause that couse have create a little problem ;)
[11:00] <sebas> Hmmm :)
[11:01] <Tonio-> sebas: in fact I had a problem using adept during fonts and xorg conf....
[11:01] <sebas> ow ... maybe reinstalling the respective packages helps? (wild guess)
[11:02] <Tonio-> debconf frontend doesn't seem to work ine actually
[11:02] <Tonio-> I removed libqt-perl tio prevent from using this...
[11:03] <OculusAquilae> Tonio-: i dont have good font shadow an desktop too (but white letters)
[11:03] <Tonio-> OculusAquilae: I have white letters on my desktop ;)
[11:03] <Tonio-> due to yesterday's update
[11:04] <Tonio-> but today's upgrade on my laptop gives me another kind of strange result....
[11:05] <Tonio-> OculusAquilae: the question is "how to config back to old config ?" in kde
[11:06] <OculusAquilae> a better question would be, why there was a change (KDE-update to 3.4.3 perhaps)
[11:06] <Tonio-> need to ask Riddell for this.....
[11:06] <Tonio-> 1 day before releasing....... damn ! it was so perfect until now ;)
[11:07] <Tonio-> OculusAquilae: if you wanna change the color I may know where it is
[11:08] <Tonio-> but concerning the shadow I don't see..... only activate or deactivate option.
[11:08] <OculusAquilae> its not a problem at my pc
[11:08] <OculusAquilae> have the blue standard background
[11:08] <Tonio-> sebas: did you upgrade this morning ?
[11:09] <OculusAquilae> lets say it was quite perfect :)
[11:10] <Tonio-> the only important thing is that it is correct on a fresh install....
[11:10] <Tonio-> if the problem is only on beta breezy upgraded, that'll only concern geeks ^_^
[11:19] <CaiN_SA> waaas Riddell 
[11:20] <CaiN_SA> i need to know how he makes kubuntu-usplash thing boot instead of normal one
[11:21] <sebas> Tonio-: Just did, no problems here. (Apart from xorg not wanting to restart because it took a random xorg.conf file from /home/sebas, which is weird).
[11:24] <Tonio-> CaiN_SA: I assume he has played with alternative settings....
[11:24] <Tonio-> CaiN_SA: type this : "sudo update alternatives --all" and have a look...
[11:25] <Tonio-> you can select the usplash you want and many other things, like which java to use etc....
[11:25] <Tonio-> sebas: okay I note that, I'll consider it as a local problem, and wil check ;)
[11:26] <Tonio-> CaiN_SA: sudo update-alternatives --all -> that's better ;)
[11:27] <CaiN_SA> i just found it thx
[11:27] <Tonio-> CaiN_SA: welcome
[12:14] <amu> Riddell: awake? 
[12:44] <Riddell> amu: yes
[12:53] <amu> http://amu.debian.net/tmp/Bildschirmphoto1.png :) next is, problem with kdepim and gpg 
[12:54] <Tm_T> amu: nice load ;)
[12:54] <amu> no gpg-agent by default installation 
[12:55] <amu> Tm_T: yeah, i never thought, i've a accu on my desk :) 
[12:56] <Riddell> hmm
[12:57] <Riddell> too late to fix problems :(
[12:57] <Riddell> everyone test CDs!
[01:05] <amu> Riddell: tested the last -rc- version on ppc. upgrade to 3.4.3, kmail isnt working 
[01:05] <Riddell> we need the current CDs tested
[01:06] <amu> dvd/20051007 ? also
[01:07] <Riddell> no, DVDs havn't been made yet
[01:07] <amu> 20051012.1 for the liveCD and 20051012 as install ? 
[01:07] <Riddell> yep
[01:07] <amu> ok, syncing them
[01:07] <Riddell> cool
[01:07] <amu> i can test amd64 and ppc 
[01:07] <Riddell> who has an amd64?
[01:07] <Riddell> awooga :)
[01:07] <OculusAquilae> me
[01:07] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: able to test the current CDs?
[01:08] <amu> Riddell: today after 19.00 :)
[01:08] <amu> Riddell: start an DVD build, i can test them 2 
[01:08] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: i'll download both, and try to get both testet
[01:10] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: where can I find them (live-cd?
[01:10] <OculusAquilae> ok found :)
[01:10] <Tonio-> OculusAquilae: url please ?
[01:11] <OculusAquilae> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/kubuntu
[01:11] <Tonio-> hytoric is on another machine I don't have access at the moment
[01:11] <Tonio-> OculusAquilae: thanks
[01:12] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20051012.1/  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20051012/
[01:14] <OculusAquilae> hope it fits on my hard drive :)
[01:32] <amu> Riddell: tested, kmail's gpg part does not work at all
[01:34] <amu> no kde gpg-backend, pgp-agent, pinentry, gpgsm are lost in space :(
[01:36] <amu> Laden des Abgleich Teils fehlgeschlagen.
[01:36] <amu> Bibliotheksdatei <b>libmultisynkpart.la</b> ist ber Ihren PATH nicht auffindbar.
[01:36] <Riddell> yeah, i know
[01:37] <amu> ok, also the icon is not there 
[01:37] <amu> Bibliotheksdatei <b>libknodepart.la</b> ist ber Ihren PATH nicht auffindbar.
[01:54] <amu> in rss feed i found kubuntu :) 
[01:54] <OculusAquilae> nice
[01:54] <amu> it points to http://kubuntu.org/kubuntu.rss
[01:54] <amu> but doesnt exist
[01:55] <jpatrick> that's not working in Kontact for some reason...
[01:57] <amu> Riddell: could you add also Kubuntu-forum-DE http://www.kubuntu.de/forum/forum.php/forum.php?req=rss
[02:27] <aeig> why isnt a usb stick shown in media:/ ? after inserting a stick, konqueror opens a non existent device.
[02:31] <Tonio-> aeig: already saw that, and this is a problem with the key...
[02:32] <Tonio-> I personaly had to delete and recreate partitions on it
[02:33] <aeig> Tonio-: it worked 1 week ago
[02:40] <aeig> another problem. after using the "Tool Contiguous Select" Tool in krita 2 times successively. krita crash
[02:58] <apokryphos> Riddell: for making the amd64 packs from the i386 ones is much work required? I'm runnin' 64-bit now
[03:17] <amu> sent 774 bytes  received 4329713986 bytes  727866.65 bytes/sec
[04:09] <Tonio-> can anyone remind me where to post comments after an installation ?
[04:10] <jpatrick> Tonio-: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuBreezyPreviewComments ?
[04:11] <Tonio-> jpatrick: not that one.... I remember Riddell posting yesterday a url for today's testing reporting...
[04:11] <Tonio-> but I'm not on the same machine so don't have logs
[04:13] <Tonio-> anyway, Am I the only one who has seen "knoppix" as computer's name default suggestion ?
[04:17] <amu> "knoppix"
[04:17] <amu> ?
[04:17] <Tm_T> eeh
[04:18] <Tonio-> I couldn't beleive it but during the installation process, the suggested name was "knoppix", yes... and I'm not drunk at all....
[04:18] <amu> :) did you setuped net net manually ?
[04:18] <Tonio-> no, dhcp by default
[04:18] <amu> s/net net/your net 
[04:19] <amu> maybe the ip you got revolvs revers to knoppix.
[04:19] <Tonio-> If I have time toonight I'll perform the installation again... I read it three time to be sure not to dreaming...
[04:19] <Tonio-> hum let me check...
[04:20] <Tonio-> amu: 60.100.168.192.in-addr.arpa     name = knoppix ^_^
[04:21] <Tonio-> okay I didn't knew it was performing a reverse..... but what on earth is that..... I'm the only one with linux out there....
[04:22] <Tonio-> so back to real problems....
[04:22] <amu> yep a lookup will done, as suggested hostname   
[04:23] <Tonio-> koffice-i18n-** isn't download and installed with the rest of choosen language component
[04:23] <Tonio-> resulting krita is in english by default....
[04:25] <Riddell> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuBreezyTestPlan
[04:26] <Tonio-> ah thanks Riddell ;)
[04:26] <Riddell> Tonio-: how are your elite gimp skillz?
[04:27] <amu> Riddell: the DVD are ready ?  
[04:27] <Tonio-> gimp ??? I am very far from beeing a good graphist, but anyway, do have something to ask for Riddell ??? ^^
[04:28] <Tonio-> Are you talking about kubuntu usplash ?
[04:28] <Riddell> amu: kamion doesn't seem to have made dvds yet for ubuntu or kubuntu
[04:28] <amu> I'm 1,5h more in the office later it will be difficult to download all dvd iso :)  
[04:29] <Riddell> amu: I think it takes that long to make a DVD image so I guess you won't have them in time
[04:29] <Riddell> Tonio-: I'm wondering if any of these can be touched up to use as a publicity photo http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kubuntu-gurl/images.html
[04:32] <amu> Riddell: *g* that looks embarrassing :D  
[04:32] <Tonio-> Riddell: hum........... I never felt comfortable with photos..... only manipulating "abstract" images in fact !
[04:32] <Tonio-> Riddell: this is a little bit more complicated than building a little icon ;)
[04:33] <Riddell> it just needs her chopped out from the background, but I'm not sure the best way to do that
[04:33] <Riddell> I like 387
[04:33] <Tonio-> okay let me check
[04:33] <Tonio-> I know photoshop better than gimp, but I may found...
[04:35] <Tonio-> Riddell: 387 is okay, but the kubuntu cd is maybe a bit too little
[04:35] <Riddell> you think people will be interested in the CD? :)
[04:36] <Tonio-> ^^
[04:36] <amu> Riddell: yes ;)
[04:37] <apokryphos> no cover change for breezy? :-O
[04:38] <amu> she definitiv need new trousers :D 
[04:39] <amu> btw. i've about 10 "original CD's left 
[04:40] <Riddell> amu: they're rare, sign them and sell them on ebay as collecters items
[04:40] <Riddell> apokryphos: cover?
[04:40] <Tonio-> Riddell: making tests with 387 and krita
[04:40] <apokryphos> same as hoary, no?
[04:40] <Riddell> apokryphos: what do you mean by cover?
[04:40] <apokryphos> the case for the CD
[04:41] <Riddell> I havn't made CD covers yet
[04:41] <amu> Riddell: *g* one ask about a signed CD   
[04:41] <Riddell> but they'll be different from hoary
[04:41] <apokryphos> cool
[04:42] <apokryphos> Riddell: I was wondering, does building things just for specific architecture require anything out of my league? 8)
[04:42] <apokryphos> I think it would be nice to have 3.5b packs for 64-bit too
[04:42] <amu> another good thing i relocated last  Week now my car plate "KDE 3456" would be possible  
[04:43] <Riddell> apokryphos: nope
[04:43] <Riddell> amu: that'll be the next publicity photo then :)
[04:44] <Riddell> apokryphos: apt-get source foo; apt-get build-dep foo; cd foo-<tab>; debuild
[04:44] <apokryphos> ah yes, all patches applied; nice. Will make a chroot now
[04:44] <Riddell> hello guinsel, aeig 
[04:45] <Riddell> Tm_T: want to have a go at it on these kubuntu-girl photos?
[04:45] <amu> *g* booked
[04:45] <Tm_T> Riddell: sure
[04:46] <Riddell> Tm_T: http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kubuntu-gurl/images.html
[04:47] <Riddell> 387 to 391 are the ones that could work
[04:47] <Tm_T> Riddell: so I just cut out background?
[04:47] <Riddell> Tm_T: yes
[04:47] <Tm_T> :)
[04:51] <guinsel> hi
[04:51] <guinsel> Riddell
[04:55] <Tonio-> Riddell: any news concerning yakuake's upload
[05:03] <jpatrick> wb apokryphos 
[05:09] <apokryphos> hi
[05:09] <apokryphos> Riddell: seems like I'm not able to get the source.. I thought that would've been independent of architecture
[05:15] <Riddell> Tonio-: still in NEW queue
[05:15] <Riddell> apokryphos: source should be there, just need the deb-src line in sources.list
[05:19] <apokryphos> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/391259
[05:21] <Riddell> apokryphos: it's moved, add packages in the URL after kubuntu.org/
[05:22] <Riddell> apokryphos: and are you using deb-src instead of deb in sources.list?
[05:22] <apokryphos> I had 'em both
[05:22] <apokryphos> will remove the plain deb
[05:22] <apokryphos> voila; thanks
[05:35] <OculusAquilae> ok testing amd64 live-cd
[05:37] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: tell us when it's working
[05:40] <Tonio-> Riddell: I may have something but it'll not be perfect if you dont place a background behind.....
[05:41] <Tonio-> it is quite impossible concerning hair for example
[05:42] <apokryphos> Riddell: what should I do for gpg key? Should I be altering the changelog?
[05:44] <Riddell> apokryphos: no need to sign upless you're uploading to the ubuntu archives
[05:44] <Riddell> Tonio-: we'll place a background behind it
[05:44] <Tonio-> okay
[05:45] <Tonio-> Riddell: let me finished with the cd (left foot causing a little problem....)
[05:45] <apokryphos> Riddell: oh ok; how shall I tackle the debsign failing then?
[05:45] <Riddell> apokryphos: ignore it :)
[05:45] <apokryphos> Riddell: but it stops the debuild
[05:45] <apokryphos> "fatal error"
[05:46] <Oculus_breezy-li> until now, nothing not working on breezy live-cd amd64
[05:48] <Riddell> apokryphos: that's fine, it's the last thing that happens, if it reaches there it's a good sign
[05:49] <Riddell> Oculus_breezy-li: rocking
[05:49] <Riddell> Oculus_breezy-li: are you able to test the install CD?
[05:49] <Oculus_breezy-li> Riddell: is it normal, that theres no kde-frontend of OOo2?
[05:50] <Riddell> Oculus_breezy-li: there should be
[05:50] <Riddell> Oculus_breezy-li: oh, maybe not on amd64
[05:50] <Riddell> amd64 probably still has oo 1
[05:50] <Riddell> 64 bit issues still
[05:50] <Oculus_breezy-li> no, its OOo2
[05:51] <Oculus_breezy-li> openoffice.org2-kde is installed, but OOo doesn't have the kde-UI
[05:51] <Riddell> hmm
[05:52] <Oculus_breezy-li> maybe a Problem of 64-bit
[05:52] <Oculus_breezy-li> but I think on my (old) installed system was a kde-ui
[05:52] <Tm_T> Riddell: there's my first version: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kubuntu-gurlie-01.png
[05:53] <Tm_T> yrrh, shaky, food and caffeine ->
[05:53] <Riddell> yeah, there's no openoffice.org2-kde package for amd64
[05:54] <Oculus_breezy-li> Riddell: not?
[05:54] <Riddell> Tm_T: hay, that's really good
[05:54] <Tm_T> thanks
[05:54] <Tm_T> but, is it good anough?
[05:54] <Oculus_breezy-li> Tm_T: it is 
[05:55] <Tm_T> good
[05:55] <Oculus_breezy-li> very good :)
[05:55] <Tm_T> very well, food and caffeine ;) ->
[06:02] <Oculus_breezy-li> ok now rebooting, burning install-cd and testing
[06:04] <OculusAquilae> first i'll look in amd64 OOo, if theres a kde-ui :)
[06:05] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: there is no openoffice.org2-kde package for amd64
[06:05] <Riddell> need to ask doko why not
[06:05] <OculusAquilae> k
[06:06] <OculusAquilae> maybe that this was the problem, why it was crashing on amd64 as there was one
[06:06] <OculusAquilae> hope so
[06:14] <Tonio-> Riddell: http://www.planetemu.net/temp/bla.png
[06:15] <Tonio-> I hope that will fit your needs....
[06:15] <Tonio-> big fight with hair....
[06:23] <Riddell> Tonio-: dood, you rock
[06:23] <Tm_T> Tonio-: too good :p
[06:24] <Tonio-> it is not perfect everywhere but well..... that's the best I can do with a touchpad ;)
[06:24] <OculusAquilae> uhh you have done this with a touchpad 
[06:24] <Tonio-> yep
[06:24] <OculusAquilae> wow :-)
[06:25] <Tonio-> like adept's icons ^_^
[06:25] <Tm_T> =)
[06:25] <Tm_T> Tonio-: you're some kind of monster
[06:26] <Tonio-> Tm_T: just using a touchpad for a very long time that's all :)
[06:26] <Tonio-> but I think I'll buy a little mouse one of those days
[06:26] <OculusAquilae> I have one of these Trackpoints, I like them
[06:26] <Tm_T> you should
[06:26] <Tonio-> OculusAquilae: like on IBM laptops ???
[06:27] <OculusAquilae> yes, but its a HP 
[06:27] <Tonio-> I love this too :)
[06:27] <Tonio-> but my laptop doesn't have this....
[06:28] <Tonio-> I never felt more comfortable than with IBM laptop... sad they are that ugly !
[06:28] <OculusAquilae> hm
[06:29] <OculusAquilae> i don't see a Problem there
[06:29] <Tonio-> but well Krita is really, really unstable..... I tried first with it and got about 4 craches before starting GIMP...
[06:30] <Tonio-> OculusAquilae: well take a 6 years old laptop, and a recent one, go at 3 meters and try to see a difference.....
[06:30] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: amd 64 live-cd: my mp3-player doesn't appear in media:/ and the foulder opened by kde doesn't work
[06:30] <OculusAquilae> Tonio-: tried Krita of koffice 1.4.2?
[06:30] <OculusAquilae> its more stable
[06:31] <Tonio-> I'll try ;)
[06:31] <Tm_T> OculusAquilae: not enough, I crashed it in 5s :p
[06:33] <Tonio-> it is very recent also, we may try a few months before judging
[06:34] <Tonio-> koffice generally really needs improvement.....*
[06:35] <Tonio-> all applications in it are good, but none of them can be called excellent
[06:35] <Tonio-> it misses a reference application
[06:36] <seaLne> reference application?
[06:36] <Tonio-> one that would be the best in its category....
[06:36] <OculusAquilae> Tonio-: I think the next major release will bei "excellent"
[06:36] <seaLne> ah
[06:36] <Tonio-> krita doesn't compare to gimp
[06:37] <Tonio-> karbon doesn't compare to inkscape
[06:37] <OculusAquilae> kwrite is not as good as OOo writer etc
[06:37] <Tonio-> and you can do the same for every application of the suite....
[06:38] <Tonio-> it is a good suite, but needs to go one level upper
[06:38] <Tonio-> OculusAquilae: I hope next release will be, I could then avoid using gtk apps....
[06:38] <OculusAquilae> hope for koffice 2.0 :-)
[06:38] <jpatrick> yeah
[06:38] <OculusAquilae> or 1.5 I hope (or is no 1.5 planned)
[06:38] <Riddell> I think there will be a 1.5 in january
[06:38] <Riddell> so dapper
[06:39] <OculusAquilae> would be nice to have koffice as standard office
[06:39] <jpatrick> should have it?
[06:39] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: amd 64 live-cd: my mp3-player doesn't appear in media:/ and the foulder opened by kde doesn't work -- known?
[06:40] <jpatrick> OculusAquilae: yep...
[06:40] <jpatrick> on KubuntuForums at least
[06:40] <OculusAquilae> it mounts as /media/H300 and kde looks for it somewhere else
[06:41] <OculusAquilae> wouldn't be nice to have this in a RELEASE 
[06:41] <OculusAquilae> Riddell Error- artsmessage -- Sound server fatal error: cpu overload -- but sound works
[06:42] <OculusAquilae> also this kcontrol problem ( or is it fixed ? 9
[06:43] <Tonio-> have to go, see ya !
[06:44] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: ok, now testing install cd
[06:44] <seaLne> kubuntu blue bootsplash is much nicer than ubuntu one :)
[06:45] <OculusAquilae> seaLne: it is :-)
[06:45] <seaLne> just installing todays 386 cd
[06:46] <OculusAquilae> i install amd64 one at the moment
[06:47] <seaLne> i'd try the ppc one aswell except the last time i tried it it killed my mac :(
[06:49] <Riddell> seaLne: thanks
[06:50] <seaLne> when is kubuntu release planned?
[06:50] <jpatrick> tomorrow I think
[06:51] <seaLne> i wasn't sure if it might be later
[06:51] <Riddell> tomorrow it is
[06:52] <apokryphos> Riddell: arts+kdelibs all fine, but on kdebase: http://pastebin.com/391345
[06:53] <seaLne> hmm does debtags try to download stuff when its installed?
[06:53] <Riddell> seaLne: yes
[06:54] <seaLne> grr another thing to kill
[06:54] <Riddell> apokryphos: evil
[06:59] <jpatrick> OculusAquilae: KOffice 1.5 Final will be out in Febuary
[06:59] <OculusAquilae> ah nic
[06:59] <OculusAquilae> e
[07:00] <jpatrick> see: http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/koffice-1.5-release-plan.html
[07:09] <OculusAquilae> ah alpha 1 in November :-)
[07:09] <jpatrick> yeah
[07:09] <jpatrick> :D
[07:10] <OculusAquilae> something to play :-)
[07:23] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: Kontact doesn't find libknodepart.la
[07:24] <OculusAquilae> and libmultisyncpart.la
[07:24] <OculusAquilae> but haven't testet it with live-cd (shame on me)
[07:25] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: known
[07:26] <OculusAquilae> not solved hm
[07:26] <OculusAquilae> the rest works
[07:27] <seaLne> bah kmobiletools is still not in breezy
[07:28] <OculusAquilae> why not removed from kontact?
[07:31] <Riddell> seaLne: not packaged properly yet http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=567
[07:32] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: the rest is ok
[07:32] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: I didn't have time to investigate why they are appearing there
[07:32] <OculusAquilae> oh i've said that already :-)
[07:33] <seaLne> Riddell: that was actually the package i had thought about doing but someone had already started it
[07:33] <OculusAquilae> does that mean, that I have to do more for dapper :-)
[07:33] <Riddell> seaLne: you can fix all his problems if you want to :)
[07:33] <seaLne> i thought that would be rude
[07:33] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: you've tested both install and live for sanity?
[07:34] <Riddell> amd64
[07:34] <OculusAquilae> yes
[07:34] <Riddell> seaLne: first with a good package wins I guess
[07:34] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: great, thanks
[07:39] <Riddell> bad news people, all new live CDs up and need testing
[07:40] <author-psi> bad news? oO ;)
[07:41] <Riddell> and new install CDs on their way
[07:41] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: can you test the new live CD for amd64?
[07:41] <seaLne> bah
[07:41] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: do an rsync
[07:41] <Riddell> seaLne: can you do powerpc?
[07:41] <seaLne> i abit scared to risc the remaining mac
[07:42] <Riddell> understandable that
[07:45] <seaLne> i'll try the live
[07:47] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: my fresh (and also old installs doesn't automatically go to ALT+F7, they stay at console 1
[07:47] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: ok 
[07:49] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: you know how to rsync?
[07:50] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: not exacly
[07:50] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: see KubuntuFiles for the URL and s/i386/amd64/
[07:50] <OculusAquilae> was nearly doing rsync --help :-)
[07:50] <Riddell> download should take about 5 minutes
[07:50] <Riddell> run that command in the directory you have the old ISO in
[07:50] <OculusAquilae> ok thanks
[07:51] <OculusAquilae> do you have an idea why he is not going to the X-Server and stay an console 1 (on 2 of 3 installations)
[07:52] <Riddell> OculusAquilae, seaLne: no need to test that live CD, it's not the final one
[07:52] <OculusAquilae> that means waiting :-) ??
[07:52] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: yep, another couple of hours I'm afraid
[07:52] <OculusAquilae> k
[07:53] <OculusAquilae> so I can work on katapult :-)
[07:53] <Riddell> of course :)
[07:56] <seaLne> in that case i'll go home :)
[07:57] <OculusAquilae> :-)
[08:25] <sebas> Riddell: Isn't ksysv superflouous now?
[08:26] <sebas> And: Is it a known bug that gpg ceased to work with kmail?
[08:26] <hunger> sebas: works for me... just decrypted a mail.
[08:27] <sebas> Hm
[08:27] <sebas> Here the gpgme plugins in kmail's configuration are greyed out, I've used it all the time. ...
[08:29] <hunger> sebas: Same here... it did decrypt that mail though:-(
[08:31] <sebas> I don't see any sign of an e-mail being signed, the buttons in kmail's compose window are greyed out.
[08:32] <hunger> sebas: You are right!
[08:33] <hunger> sebas: I am using webmailers most of the time right now... hadn't even noticed that yet:-(
[08:33] <sebas> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17546
[08:33] <hunger> sebas: Damn! And I was just happy that in breezy everything works;-)
[08:36] <Riddell> new install CDs up
[08:36] <Riddell> sebas: it is superflouous, as is kuser, but I didn't get a chance to remove them
[08:37] <Riddell> sebas: it is known, but too late to fix, I'll try and get a fix in updates as soon as possible
[08:37] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: could you test the new install ISO CD
[08:37] <Riddell> on amd64
[08:38] <sebas> Riddell: :(
[08:38] <sebas> When will the packages go out?
[08:38] <Riddell> sebas: packages?
[08:38] <sebas> breezy :)
[08:38] <sebas> A.k.a. releasedate.
[08:39] <Riddell> tomorrow
[08:39] <sebas> Ow, ok. You're probably busy then :)
[08:39] <sebas> Thanks anyway.
[08:39] <OculusAquilae> ok
[08:39] <OculusAquilae> i'll test them
[08:40] <OculusAquilae> 20051012.1 
[08:41] <apokryphos> Riddell: anything I should/could do? 
[08:41] <Riddell> apokryphos: what architectures can you test?
[08:41] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: yep.  do an rsync
[08:41] <apokryphos> ( Riddell: that was re: kdebase debuild)
[08:42] <apokryphos> but I guess I could test if there's something
[08:42] <Riddell> apokryphos: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20051012.1/
[08:43] <apokryphos> oop, only installs
[08:44] <seaLne> apokryphos: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20051012.2/ seperate location
[08:44] <apokryphos> ok thanks
[08:44] <OculusAquilae> its the same than current right?
[08:44] <Riddell> sebas: not live
[08:45] <Riddell> seaLne: not live
[08:45] <Riddell> please test this install ** http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20051012.1/  
[08:45] <Riddell> ** don't test live yet, another one is yet to be built
[08:46] <apokryphos> ack, can't test installs unfortunately -- no free partitions
[08:47] <apokryphos> I'll wait on the lives
[08:47] <Riddell> apokryphos: no idea about your compile currently I'm afraid, it's a nasty pic error to state the obvious
[09:00] <OculusAquilae> ok installing
[09:27] <OculusAquilae> who has the bandwidth to test the dvds?
[09:27] <Lathiat> kubuntu dvds?
[09:27] <OculusAquilae> or don't we test them
[09:27] <Lathiat> hrm
[09:27] <OculusAquilae> yes
[09:33] <OculusAquilae> ok, amd64 installed, testing
[09:35] <OculusAquilae> what is better than in the old install or what should be better?
[09:40] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: the console problem is away with the new install-cd
[09:43] <oculus-amd64> everything seems to work
[09:43] <oculus-amd64> ot at least most 
[09:43] <sebas> Try to encrypt an e-mail with kmail. ;-)
[09:44] <OculusAquilae> without key?
[09:44] <sebas> That's hardly possible.
[09:48] <oculus-amd64> sebas: but I encrypt normally every  email
[09:48] <oculus-amd64> is it only since the update to 3.4.3?
[09:51] <oculus-amd64> ah, the cd-thing works now too
[09:53] <sebas> Yeah, seems so.
[09:53] <sebas> It's been built without opengpg headers.
[09:54] <oculus-amd64> so i don't have to generate a key :-)
[09:54] <oculus-amd64> would be nice to have this fixed until release
[09:56] <oculus-amd64> ah the graphics bug in the nv driver :-(
[09:57] <oculus-amd64> ok restarting in normal installation
[09:57] <OculusAquilae> otherwise X would freeze (relatively new card (geforce 6800)
[10:12] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: which console problem?
[10:13] <OculusAquilae> this Problem that it doesn't automatically switch to the X-Screen and stays on the Console 1, but I don't have this Problem anymore
[10:21] <Riddell> ah groovy
[10:21] <Riddell> at least 1 problem is solved.  and we have antialised fonts on KDM again
[10:24] <OculusAquilae> and this cd-problem
[10:24] <Riddell> which?
[10:24] <OculusAquilae> this problem, that kde opens the cd in the wrong folder
[10:25] <Riddell> right
[10:31] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: are you able to test DVDs?
[10:32] <Riddell> apokryphos: amd64?
[10:32] <apokryphos> yup
[10:32] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: its a big download
[10:32] <OculusAquilae> but
[10:33] <Riddell> ** new live CDs are out http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/20051012.3/
[10:33] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: can you test the amd64 live CD
[10:33] <OculusAquilae> ok
[10:34] <Riddell> rsync -CvzapP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/breezy-live-amd64.iso .
[10:34] <OculusAquilae> the hourly build :-)
[10:35] <Riddell> this is the final final one
[10:35] <Tm_T> :p
[10:36] <Riddell> any other testers about?
[10:36] <Riddell> hello Sanne 
[10:36] <OculusAquilae> the DVD would be difficult for me
[10:37] <OculusAquilae> the question would be when it must be tested
[10:37] <Tm_T> Riddell: you scared him/her away :(
[10:37] <Riddell> ubuntu-server is queued to build before us, then kubuntu DVD, so at least a couple of hours
[10:39] <apokryphos> Riddell: I'll test the amd64 live too
[10:39] <Riddell> apokryphos: thanks
[10:39] <apokryphos> downloading now; 12%
[10:40] <Riddell> apokryphos: can you test DVDs?
[10:40] <apokryphos> not to install, and kind of depends when they're available; need a quasi-early night
[10:41] <apokryphos> but if I can, sure
[10:41] <Riddell> apokryphos: just testing live would probably be fine, but another couple of hours as I say
[10:41] <Riddell> and then however long to download
[10:42] <apokryphos> probably not then, I'd say :/. That would mean I'd have to stay up till around 1 I guess (and Thurs is my longest day). Sorry :(
[10:43] <Riddell> ok, don't worry
[10:45] <OculusAquilae> burning :-)
[10:50] <OculusAquilae> booting from live-cd
[10:55] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: I get this artsmassage: "Sound server fatal error: cpu overload, aborting" and my mp3player can't be found by kde (but its mounted)
[10:56] <OculusAquilae> but sound works
[10:56] <Riddell> I hate arts
[10:57] <OculusAquilae> h
[10:57] <OculusAquilae> hm
[11:04] <Lathiat> hrm
[11:04] <Lathiat> my konsole font has gone all weird after upgrading
[11:05] <Riddell> Lathiat: known
[11:05] <Riddell> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuBreezyKnownProblems
[11:05] <OculusAquilae> ah, cds work but my mp3 player not
[11:05] <Lathiat> Riddell: ah, how do i get it back? ;p
[11:05] <Riddell> Lathiat: fix kdeglobals
[11:06] <OculusAquilae> now I've understood it :)
[11:06] <Lathiat> i feel like im stabbing myself
[11:06] <Lathiat> :)
[11:08] <Lathiat> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17655
[11:09] <Lathiat> Riddell: also
[11:09] <Lathiat> Riddell: the system menu -> settings // k menu -> system settings
[11:09] <Lathiat> opening different things
[11:09] <Lathiat> one seeimingly a subset of the other
[11:11] <Lathiat> also for 'system settings' what package can i file a bug under for that
[11:12] <Lathiat> ah found it, kde-systemsettings
[11:15] <Lathiat> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17658
[11:15] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: amd64 current live is sane you say?
[11:17] <OculusAquilae> it seems so
[11:17] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: great, thanks for testing
[11:18] <OculusAquilae> np
[11:18] <OculusAquilae> but there is this arts thing hm
[11:18] <apokryphos> smooth as silk so far
[11:19] <apokryphos> don't have sound though here too
[11:19] <OculusAquilae> i have sound, but kde says that i have not
[11:20] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: what plays the sound?
[11:20] <apokryphos> my system bell does, for example
[11:20] <Lathiat> Riddell: where does katapult svn/cvs lie?
[11:20] <apokryphos> ah wait; the Test Sound seems to work just fine
[11:20] <Riddell> Lathiat: berlios, in a project called kubuntupult
[11:21] <Lathiat> oh this was started as a kubuntu project?
[11:21] <Lathiat> nifty
[11:21] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: where does KDE say you don't have sound
[11:21] <apokryphos> no sounds on window openings/minimising etc though
[11:21] <Riddell> Lathiat: no, but the guy abandoned it so we took it over
[11:21] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: directly after startup
[11:21] <Lathiat> Riddell: ah
[11:21] <Riddell> not that there's been much development
[11:21] <OculusAquilae> i've written the message here
[11:21] <Riddell> but maybe after breezy I'll do some stuff on it
[11:21] <Lathiat> yeh i was gonna have a look
[11:21] <OculusAquilae> "Sound server fatal error: cpu overload, aborting"
[11:22] <Lathiat> i want ot add URIs and smart bookmark stuff
[11:22] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Katapult
[11:22] <Lathiat> thanks
[11:22] <OculusAquilae> ah nice, Katapult is becoming big :-)
[11:23] <apokryphos> ah, perhaps just those sounds were disabled. Sound server seems fine then.
[11:23] <apokryphos> anything else to test?
[11:23] <OculusAquilae> I also hear this braking glasses :-)
[11:23] <Riddell> apokryphos: openoffice work?
[11:24] <OculusAquilae> it does
[11:24] <apokryphos> yup
[11:25] <Riddell> what language are you using?
[11:25] <apokryphos> Eng GB
[11:25] <OculusAquilae> i use de de
[11:25] <Lathiat> Riddell: no script to generate configure stuff
[11:26] <OculusAquilae> Lathiat: in katapult?
[11:26] <Lathiat> OculusAquilae: ya
[11:26] <OculusAquilae> make --makefile=Makefile.cvs
[11:26] <Lathiat> ah
[11:26] <OculusAquilae> then you'll get one
[11:26] <Riddell> I don't know if katapult even compiles correctly currently
[11:27] <Lathiat> Riddell: i'll make it ;p
[11:27] <Lathiat> gah this broken konsole font is annoying
[11:27] <apokryphos> did for me when I tried it on suse
[11:27] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: I committed today something and more than 3 people tested it 
[11:27] <OculusAquilae> so katapult should compile
[11:27] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: wow, where are these people?
[11:28] <Lathiat> ahh, thats better
[11:28] <apokryphos> no -parted manager?
[11:28] <OculusAquilae> thats first our Icon-Maker beast (see #katapult -- yes it exists) and author-psi (kubuntu.de/forum) and another guy whos very interested (faked) in katapult
[11:28] <apokryphos> seems odd to have a LiveCD without it
[11:29] <Lathiat> eh, it wants autoconf 2.53
[11:30] <OculusAquilae> Lathiat: ??
[11:30] <Lathiat> which ih ave but it whinges about anyway even after exporting AUTOMAKE to automake2.50, hrm
[11:30] <OculusAquilae> hm
[11:31] <Lathiat> ah i see
[11:32] <OculusAquilae> ???
[11:32] <Lathiat> i needed to export AUTOCONF, AUTOHEADER and AUTOMAKE
[11:32] <OculusAquilae> hm ok
[11:32] <apokryphos> anything else to test? Otherwise /me heads off, I guess
[11:32] <Lathiat> man this packages auto* is a mess :)
[11:32] <OculusAquilae> I not
[11:33] <OculusAquilae> would be nice to get some sleep too
[11:34] <apokryphos> breezy preview? Now that *is* dated :P
[11:34] <OculusAquilae> :-)
[11:37] <OculusAquilae> any testing needed?
[11:38] <OculusAquilae> if not, I will get some sleep
[11:38] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: not until the DVDs appear in an hour or so
[11:38] <OculusAquilae> thats the problem, i would like to sleep in an hour
[11:39] <OculusAquilae> a d
[11:39] <OculusAquilae> and then i would have to download
[11:39] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: sleep.  I can find someone else to test it
[11:39] <OculusAquilae> ok thanks
[11:39] <Riddell> and thanks for your help today, much appreciated
[11:39] <OculusAquilae> np