[12:07] <philipacamaniac> stodge: breezy hasn't quite been released, so yes, package updates could be quite numerous until Breezy is released
[12:08] <philipacamaniac> after release, you'll only see security fixes and major bug fixes
[12:11] <hyperactivecrond> hmm.. what would be good to remove to make space in the kubuntu livecd?
[12:11] <Rogue_Jedi_X> kernel. I don't use it much
[12:12] <nicholaspaul> hey libben - sorry, i was away for a while. 
[12:12] <hyperactivecrond> are you seriuos Rogue_Jedi_X 
[12:12] <nicholaspaul> libben: i can mount the cdrw ok, but i want to open the disc itself
[12:13] <stianh> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[12:13] <stianh> hmm, i am trying to compile various things from sources, but I get that
[12:13] <Rogue_Jedi_X> hyperactivecrond: Don't be silly
[12:13] <stianh> however, gcc and g++ and cpp is installed
[12:13] <stianh> any suggestions?
[12:16] <Sgep> Are the PyKDE issues resolved in breezy?
[12:17] <philipacamaniac> Sgep:all my Amarok scripts work, including a bunch I downloaded, so I think yes?
[12:18] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: is oem install option available for Kubuntu as well?
[12:18] <Sgep> I had trouble with the PyKDE package depencencies on hoary
[12:18] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: how do you mean?
[12:19] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: I'm seeing that there is an OEM installation method in the BreezyReleaseNotes. I assume it is on the Ubuntu CD, but I'm wondering about the Kubuntu CD
[12:19] <philipacamaniac> rather, OEM Mode
[12:20] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: I assume so too :)
[12:20] <philipacamaniac> :)
[12:20] <philipacamaniac> that's a funny but acceptable answer...
[12:20] <philipacamaniac> lol
[12:21] <Sgep> It seemed to require impossible dependencies
[12:22] <philipacamaniac> Sgep: what are you trying to run
[12:22] <Sgep> Trying to download PyKDE
[12:23] <apokryphos> busted on hoary
[12:23] <apokryphos> ...unless it was fixed
[12:23] <Sgep> The question is, is it fixed in breezy?
[12:23] <apokryphos> yes
[12:23] <philipacamaniac> sudo apt-get pykdeextensions
[12:23] <philipacamaniac> worked for me
[12:29] <philipacamaniac> apokryphos: right click them for a special surprise
[12:30] <apokryphos> philipacamaniac: I'm referring to ones in Konqueror URLs
[12:30] <apokryphos> (web browser mode)
[12:30] <philipacamaniac> ah
[12:30] <philipacamaniac> sigh
[12:30] <philipacamaniac> right click save-as...
[12:30] <apokryphos> no, you can't always do that
[12:30] <philipacamaniac> not on sourceforge anyway
[12:30] <apokryphos> especially when you use php links to get to the deb
[12:31] <philipacamaniac> yeah - but you know how to add the file association, right?
[12:31] <apokryphos> of course
[12:31] <apokryphos> it doesn't work; try it
[12:32] <philipacamaniac> What did you associate it with
[12:34] <apokryphos> guess
[12:34] <philipacamaniac> ark
[12:34] <apokryphos> kwrite of course
[12:34] <philipacamaniac> ?
[12:35] <philipacamaniac> damn you're right, doesn't make a damn difference
[12:35] <apokryphos> why exactly would I want a deb to open with ark? I hardly extract them on any regular basis
[12:35] <philipacamaniac> yeah, but what else is there? kpackage?
[12:35] <philipacamaniac> adept doesn't handle opening deb files.
[12:36] <apokryphos> bingo! Or any other package manager. Though I'd make it ask me to save it to a location
[12:36] <apokryphos> *any other working
[12:37] <philipacamaniac> so what's the problem
[12:37] <apokryphos> but hey :)
[12:37] <philipacamaniac> with the file association, that is
[12:37] <apokryphos> the problem of course was it opening debs in kate
[12:37] <apokryphos> hardly expected or ever-wanted behaviour
[12:37] <apokryphos> oh, right, sorry -- I don't know
[12:37] <apokryphos> it's been there for ages though
[12:38] <apokryphos> I'll just bug report
[12:38] <philipacamaniac> I'm going to look into that, because it is bothersome
[12:38] <philipacamaniac> gtg for now
[12:38] <apokryphos> adieu
[12:49] <apokryphos> anyone have any thoughts on the current ksplash for breezy?
[12:52] <propagandhi> i dont like it much at all
[12:53] <propagandhi> but as its not hard to change, its no biggy
[12:53] <god-zero> apokryphos: The "window" in the center looks like it's for some icons, but I see none. I switched to the old kde style
[12:54] <propagandhi> I still think there's heaps of cool kde enhancements that should have been incorporated in this release
[12:56] <apokryphos> god-zero: nope, it's meant to be like that. Seems really odd to me too
[12:56] <apokryphos> propagandhi: what like?
[12:56] <apokryphos> a lot of things just didn't make it in time
[12:57] <propagandhi> like yakuake for example
[12:57] <propagandhi> easy addon there
[12:57] <apokryphos> err, you do know when that came out right?
[12:58] <god-zero> what exactly is yakuake? a console?
[12:58] <apokryphos> yeah, with a few cool affects/convenientisms
[12:58] <propagandhi> even the default install should be skinned a little nicer
[12:59] <apokryphos> it would've been nice to get in moodin ideally, but hey
[01:00] <apokryphos> propagandhi: what other things are missing?
[01:00] <propagandhi> i'm not saying anythings missing persay, just that a few added enhancements, such as skins, themes, window decorations, icons
[01:00] <propagandhi> would have made it slighter nicer than it already is
[01:01] <apokryphos> addons or alteration of the default look?
[01:01] <propagandhi> alteration of the default look wouldnt hurt much either
[01:01] <apokryphos> what would you change?
[01:01] <propagandhi> to a user who says "I think i might try Kubuntu" the default look is quite bland I am sure most would agree
[01:02] <propagandhi> I mean a Kubuntu KBFX theme would rock
[01:02] <propagandhi> the kmenu in itself is very dull
[01:02] <propagandhi> and kbfx is pretty flexible
[01:02] <apokryphos> oO
[01:03] <propagandhi> when I install any distro the first thing that happens is i spend a couple hours making it look nice, new users would get lost in that process
[01:03] <apokryphos> Me too
[01:04] <apokryphos> not if they used Help
[01:04] <apokryphos> and headed to the userguide, which explains all of that stuff
[01:04] <apokryphos> though it doesn't take me a couple of hours :P
[01:04] <propagandhi> i suppose it depends how fussy you are
[01:05] <propagandhi> but all in all dont you agree the default install is very plain?
[01:05] <apokryphos> it's quite contrary to my aesthetic preferences, but I can understand their decisions
[01:06] <propagandhi> well, I'm not questioning their decisions, i am just providing my opinion which on many counts has been known to be wrong
[01:06] <apokryphos> =)
[01:06] <apokryphos> what's your current appearance&themes setup like?
[01:07] <apokryphos> ack, be back in a sec
[01:07] <propagandhi> well currently its not the greatest - http://www.welldone.com.au/linux/snapshot8.jpg and http://www.welldone.com.au/linux/snapshot9.jpg
[01:09] <propagandhi> apokryphos: well currently its not the greatest - http://www.welldone.com.au/linux/snapshot8.jpg and http://www.welldone.com.au/linux/snapshot9.jpg
[01:10] <apokryphos> interesting look
[01:10] <cyne> how do i find out my version of x.org?
[01:11] <propagandhi> yeah i change mine all the time though
[01:11] <propagandhi> whats yours like at the moment
[01:12] <apokryphos> I used to, but don't find myself with as much effort to investigate as much lately; ok, one sec, I'll screeny
[01:12] <propagandhi> ok
[01:13] <propagandhi> anybody else here like to share their theme/setup
[01:14] <apokryphos> http://giannaros.org/screeny.jpg
[01:15] <apokryphos> nikkia: note all the kvirc colour changes :P
[01:15] <propagandhi> nice
[01:15] <propagandhi> how did u get the window transparency
[01:15] <apokryphos> composite extension
[01:16] <nikkia> hmmm, don't like the way you have the user list tho
[01:16] <apokryphos> what other way is there?
[01:16] <propagandhi> I'm using opera for IRC
[01:16] <apokryphos> how is it?
[01:16] <nikkia> apokryphos: http://narch.1.vg/~nikki/kvirc.png
[01:16] <propagandhi> reallyy nice i reckon
[01:16] <apokryphos> I used it briefly once, and it wasn't too bad. Better than chatzilla as I recall it
[01:17] <Tm_T> irssi <3
[01:17] <propagandhi> yeah, well with 8.5 and the skins u can get now
[01:17] <apokryphos> ah yes, must remove those evil lines
[01:17] <propagandhi> nikkia: how about your desktop/panel etc?
[01:17] <propagandhi> folders etc
[01:18] <nikkia> you know i don't go for eye candy :P
[01:18] <propagandhi> ha ha, fair enough then
[01:19] <nikkia> apokryphos: its also REALLY spaced out on your screenshot, must make #kubuntu go on forever :P
[01:19] <nikkia> and you don't have activity indicators turned on :)
[01:20] <Sgep> Is there an online map of how the compose key works by default in Kubuntu?
[01:21] <apokryphos> nikkia: hm, I don't see the option for less-spaced out
[01:21] <apokryphos> but of course I have those annoying indicators off :P
[01:21] <apokryphos> as are all the annoying icons (/me forgets their name)
[01:22] <apokryphos> I figure I just make the messages in different colour instead of having those
[01:23] <apokryphos> konversation style oO
[01:27] <nikkia> anyway, bedtime for me
[01:27] <nikkia> still trying to get over this fever, so an early night :)
[01:27] <apokryphos> 'night
[01:27] <apokryphos> and get well :)
[01:43] <jeroenvrp> hi folks
[01:43] <jeroenvrp> question
[01:43] <jeroenvrp> I am downloading the 5.10rc now
[01:43] <jeroenvrp> is it easy to upgrade to the 5.10 final?
[01:43] <jeroenvrp> from the rc?
[01:47] <Lord_Athur> hi
[01:47] <Lord_Athur> I've problems
[01:47] <Lord_Athur> I cannot use the floppy friver
[01:47] <Lord_Athur> driver :P
[01:47] <Lord_Athur> What should I do?
[01:48] <Lord_Athur> Can someone help me?
[01:58] <eckhart> hi
[01:58] <eckhart> i need the (k)ubuntu breezy sources.list file
[01:59] <eckhart> where can i find it?
[02:00] <eckhart> i.e. i suspect my current sources.list file being broken
[02:01] <eckhart> as i have several broken deps in the form "adept: Depends: kdelibs4c2 (>= 4:3.4.2) but it is not going to be installed"
[02:01] <Juerd> Do usage statistics of ubuntu vs kubuntu exist?
[02:02] <Juerd> eckhart: I don't have the original, but if you want, you can have mine
[02:03] <eckhart> Juerd: that would be fine
[02:03] <eckhart> just the important lines please
[02:03] <Latem> just wandering, anyone know when is Kubuntu 5.10 final suppose to come out?
[02:04] <cddesjar> could someone check this out for me
[02:04] <cddesjar> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3007
[02:04] <cddesjar> i am trying to install staroffice 8
[02:04] <cddesjar> and i can't get the core4u installed
[02:04] <propagandhi> cddesjar: hoary?
[02:05] <Juerd> eckhart: http://pastebot.nd.edu/128
[02:05] <cddesjar> breezy
[02:05] <cddesjar> it wants me to install kdelibs4
[02:05] <cddesjar> and another package
[02:05] <Juerd> cddesjar: Is there a specific reason you need staroffice?
[02:05] <propagandhi> cddesjar: are you using kde 3.5 beta?
[02:05] <cddesjar> not really....i think it's a little nicer than oo.org2 and spell check works
[02:05] <Juerd> cddesjar: Most of openoffice.org2, default in breezy, is the same
[02:05] <Juerd> I see
[02:06] <cddesjar> i am using kde3.5beta
[02:07] <cddesjar> my heart isn't broken if i can't use staroffice but it would be nice...i got it for free cause i'm a student
[02:07] <propagandhi> cddesjar: have you tried apt-get install kdelibs4-dev
[02:07] <cddesjar> it gives me a lot of unmet dependencies...about 20
[02:07] <cddesjar> should i be running adept or apt-get?
[02:08] <propagandhi> cddesjar: dont matter
[02:08] <cddesjar> i didn't think it would
[02:09] <propagandhi> i dont have any unmet dependencies
[02:09] <propagandhi> can you paste your sources.list
[02:09] <propagandhi> in the pastebin
[02:09] <eckhart> Juerd: thanks, i'll try it
[02:10] <cddesjar> ok...i uninstalled the core4u
[02:10] <cddesjar> and now i can install kdelibs4-dev
[02:10] <cddesjar> i'll try to reinstall core4u after
[02:10] <propagandhi> yeah fair enough
[02:10] <cddesjar> it also wants this
[02:10] <cddesjar> libqt3c102-mt
[02:11] <propagandhi> yep, so you can install that too
[02:11] <cddesjar> so that's a real package?
[02:12] <propagandhi> install libqt3-mt and libqt3-mt-dev
[02:12] <CavalierBob> Hi all!
[02:13] <stodge> Yes it works fine under Fluxbox, but not KDE
[02:13] <stodge> Oops wrong window
[02:14] <cddesjar> damn it...it's telling me the same damn thing again
[02:14] <CavalierBob> I see there is a KDE 3.4.3 repo now at the Kubuntu site. Haven't seen any announcement anywhere. Anyone know what's up? 
[02:14] <propagandhi> CavalierBob: theres also 3.5 beta too
[02:15] <strike4ce> This is awesome!  I love Kubunta
[02:15] <strike4ce> I just installed and am running. What do I do next?
[02:16] <CavalierBob> propagandhi: Yeah, knew the 3.5 beta was there. The 3.4.3 repo is dated today. Surprised no release news anywhere.
[02:16] <chavo> strike4ce, idle in IRC
[02:16] <strike4ce> what?
[02:16] <propagandhi> strike4ce: good stuff
[02:16] <Lord_Athur> How can I mount the floppy driver? but with access for use the floppy disk?
[02:17] <strike4ce> propagandhi: I got it setup right this time
[02:18] <cddesjar> i think i like synaptic better adept...at least at the moment
[02:19] <propagandhi> cddesjar: i agree
[02:19] <propagandhi> adept is a bit messier i reckon
[02:19] <cddesjar> adept seems to bulky and cumbersome
[02:19] <cddesjar> and it's hard to install/remove multiple things at one time
[02:19] <propagandhi> yep
[02:21] <cddesjar> does anyone know if i should keep my kde 3.5 beta repositories?
[02:22] <cddesjar> or are they a one time thing?
[02:22] <CaseysZ> good evening everyone
[02:23] <cddesjar> hi
[02:23] <CaseysZ> i am getting kernel panics when trying to boot the Hoary live cd on my G5
[02:24] <stodge> How can I get kubuntu to play multiple sounds at once?
[02:24] <stodge> If I'm listening to music and a sound occurs I get an error
[02:25] <CaseysZ> i am using 'live-power4 video=ofonly' as the boot option.  any ideas?
[02:26] <StR> Hi all!
[02:36] <strike4ce> Should I do the Kynaptic upgrade?
[02:37] <strike4ce> Hello?
[02:37] <Tm_T> adept!
[02:39] <cddesjar> why would you strike?
[02:39] <cddesjar> i mean wouldn't you
[02:40] <strike4ce> Is it like windows update?
[02:41] <fatejudger> does anyone know a good repository to get the firefox beta?
[02:41] <strike4ce> I dont know any good suppositories
[02:45] <Hobbsee> morning all
[02:47] <strike4ce> hi
[02:47] <strike4ce> can you see me
[02:48] <Hobbsee> hi
[02:48] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:48] <strike4ce> im lagged a little
[02:48] <Hobbsee> *looks around for strike4ce*  nope, cant see you with my eyes covered :P
[02:48] <Hobbsee> ah right, lagging by how much?
[02:48] <strike4ce> heh
[02:49] <strike4ce> i dunno ping me
[02:49] <Hobbsee> ah yes, that's the optoin i wanted, i tried via whois
[02:49] <Hobbsee> ping took 2 seconds
[02:49] <strike4ce> cool
[02:50] <strike4ce> Hobbsee: 2 seconds
[02:50] <Hobbsee> *nods*
[02:51] <Hobbsee> shows the lag down the bottom of my screen at 202ms, got no idea how that relates
[02:51] <Hobbsee> although if yours is lagging, wouldnt it lag before it got to my computer, and then lagging again to reply?
[02:52] <strike4ce> I dunno probably
[02:52] <Hobbsee> lol...that requires way too much thinking to figure out!
[02:52] <strike4ce> How can I tell if the hoary or breezy drivers are working with my graphics card
[02:54] <Hobbsee> um...it doesnt look to be lsmod, but ought to be something similar
[02:54] <cddesjar> konversation is so much better than ksirc
[02:55] <Tm_T> irssi is the best
[02:55] <Hobbsee> never tried ksirc, konversatoin is nice though
[02:55] <Hobbsee> hmmm...no ksirc that i can see in breezy...oh well
[02:55] <cddesjar> i've never tried irssi i hear it's good
[02:55] <cddesjar> yeah ksirc was a piece of crap
[02:55] <Tm_T> cddesjar: try it
[02:59] <cddesjar> i'll be...it worked this time
[02:59] <Hobbsee> cddesjar: what worked this time?
[02:59] <cddesjar> my staroffice 8 installation
[03:00] <jesusfish> is KDE 3.4.3 supposed to replace my 3.5 beta1 packages?
[03:00] <cddesjar> before it wasn't letting me install a package
[03:00] <cddesjar> other way around jesus
[03:01] <jesusfish> cddesjar: ya, it's supposed to be, but if I do dist-upgrade, my 3.5 packages are being replaced
[03:01] <Hobbsee> jesusfish: i dont think so, were you wanting it to?
[03:01] <jesusfish> Hobbsee: nope
[03:01] <Hobbsee> did you change teh 3.5 packages to breezy?
[03:01] <jesusfish> Hobbsee: sorry?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> ie. the repository entry for it?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> *the
[03:02] <Hobbsee> #KDE 3.5 Beta
[03:02] <Hobbsee> deb http://kubuntu.org/kde35beta1 breezy main
[03:02] <Hobbsee> deb http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/3.5-beta1/kubuntu breezy main
[03:02] <Hobbsee> ie those are the breezy reps to get it from
[03:02] <jesusfish> Hobbsee: ya, that's what I had from the start
[03:02] <Hobbsee> so if you didnt change the hoary reps to breezy ones, it wouldnt surprise me if they get overwritten
[03:02] <Hobbsee> why?  arent you on hoary now?
[03:03] <jesusfish> Hobbsee: nope
[03:03] <Hobbsee> then where are you dist upgrading to?
[03:03] <propagandhi> jesusfish: you shouldnt install kde 3.4.3 if you're using beta 3.5
[03:03] <jesusfish> Hobbsee: I've had breezy for a while, but this dist-upgrade, it started "upgrading" my 3.5 to 3.4.3
[03:03] <jesusfish> propagandhi: ^
[03:04] <Hobbsee> if you've already got breezy, why dist upgrade?
[03:04] <propagandhi> you dont upgrade 3.5 to 3.4.3
[03:04] <jesusfish> Hobbsee: tp upgrade to the newer revisions
[03:04] <jesusfish> propagandhi: no kidding
[03:05] <Hobbsee> you should just be using sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:05] <Hobbsee> no dist-upgrade in there
[03:05] <jesusfish> Hobbsee: never really have understood the difference
[03:05] <Hobbsee> dist-upgrade = distrobution upgrade
[03:05] <jesusfish> Hobbsee: so in the end, what does it do differently?
[03:05] <jesusfish> I've always wondered...lol
[03:06] <Hobbsee> ie upgradign from warty to hoary, or from hoary to breezy, or from breezy to dapper (in a few days)
[03:06] <Hobbsee> well, if your sources list is changed, it'll upgrade you to the next version, which is probably very buggy
[03:07] <Hobbsee> so upgrade just upgrades all your packages, and makes you still run breezy
[03:08] <Hobbsee> dist upgrade will try and upgrade you to the next version, dapper
[03:08] <jesusfish> Hobbsee: would it do that if you had specified breezy in the source list?  I thought it wouldn't touch the source list
[03:09] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure, but would i want to run the risk using the wrong command?  probably not
[03:10] <jesusfish> Hobbsee: ya, I always just used dist
[03:11] <jesusfish> Hobbsee: regardless, upgrade still wants to "upgrade" my KDE
[03:11] <Hobbsee> true.  upgrade is the command you are supposed to use, and upgrade has 5 less characters than dist-upgrade :P
[03:11] <jesusfish> lol
[03:11] <Hobbsee> jesusfish: there has been new versions of kde 3.5 beta coming out
[03:12] <Hobbsee> they've been coming down to me for a few days, adn i'm still showing as running kde 3.5 beta
[03:12] <jesusfish> dist-upgrade  in addition to performing the function of upgrade, also intelligently handles changing depen
[03:12] <jesusfish>               dencies with new versions of packages; apt-get has a "smart" conflict resolution system, and  it  will  at
[03:12] <jesusfish>               tempt  to  upgrade  the  most  important  packages  at the expense of less important ones if necessary
[03:12] <jesusfish> ew, that's messy looking
[03:12] <Hobbsee> just check if it really is sending you to 3.4.3, or if it's just upgrade of 3.5
[03:12] <jesusfish> but there's your difference
[03:13] <Hobbsee> where'd you find that?
[03:13] <jesusfish> man page
[03:14] <Hobbsee> ah right
[03:14] <jesusfish> so basically, upgrade won't remove package
[03:15] <jesusfish> dist will
[03:15] <jesusfish> that's what I kinda thought....dist just does a bit more than upgrade
[03:15] <Hobbsee> mmm ok
[03:15] <Hobbsee> which goes against what the faq says about updating your system manually :P
[03:16] <jesusfish> lol
[03:16] <jesusfish> ya
[03:16] <Hobbsee> what version does it say it will update the kde packages to?
[03:16] <Hobbsee> 4:3.4.3?
[03:16] <jesusfish> ya
[03:17] <Hobbsee> that seems to be a later update of kde 3.5 beta
[03:17] <jesusfish> are you sure?
[03:18] <jesusfish> I thought beta was 3.4.91
[03:18] <Hobbsee> well, a lot of my programs are showing that, and i'm definetly running the beta
[03:18] <jesusfish> it doesn't update all of the packages, just some
[03:19] <jesusfish> unless they labelled the new packages wrong
[03:19] <jesusfish> try checking kmail
[03:20] <Hobbsee> akregator is showing in synaptic as 4:3.4.3 but is showing in about akregator that it's the 1.1.3 using kde beta 3.4.91
[03:20] <Hobbsee> same with kmail
[03:21] <jesusfish> if kde-libs is 3.5 beta, it'll always show KDE as using 3.4.91
[03:22] <Hobbsee> if you want, ask Riddell - he's the one that does all the packaging
[03:24] <jesusfish> Hobbsee: ah, I think I see the issue now
[03:24] <Hobbsee> oh yes? what do you see?
[03:24] <jesusfish> Hobbsee: the 3.5 beta only has the KDE base, not the apps like KMail, etc in it
[03:24] <Hobbsee> ah...right...yep
[03:25] <jesusfish> Hobbsee: so it's upgrading the packages from 3.4.2 to 3.4.3
[03:25] <Hobbsee> right
[03:25] <jesusfish> Hobbsee: ...and I think I'll stick with my dist-upgrade :)
[03:25] <Hobbsee> lol...go for it
[03:25] <jesusfish> Hobbsee: worked for a few years now
[03:25] <jesusfish> Hobbsee: can't hurt too much
[03:26] <Hobbsee> true, i suppose if it does screw up, you can always reinstall your system
[03:26] <jesusfish> yup
[03:26] <jesusfish> not like it's hard
[03:26] <jesusfish> most stuff can be fixed without reinstall anyways
[03:26] <Hobbsee> true
[03:29] <strike4ce> Can you download mp3s and play withkubunta?
[03:29] <cddesjar> if you are migrating from debian and you convert RPMs via alien in debian they won't work in kubuntu
[03:29] <cddesjar> just thought i would let everyone know this
[03:29] <cddesjar> you need to convert them again
[03:31] <Sgep> Will breezy use KOffice 1.4.1?
[03:31] <Hobbsee> mmm ok, i didnt know it made a difference, although i've never used debian
[03:31] <Hobbsee> Sgep: nope
[03:31] <Sgep> :-(
[03:31] <Hobbsee> well, not by default, anyway
[03:32] <Hobbsee> you can install it
[03:32] <Hobbsee> strike4ce: yes
[03:32] <cddesjar> yeah i just switched from debian basically because it's development is a little slow
[03:32] <cddesjar> but it's a rock solid distro.
[03:32] <Hobbsee> lol...like upgrading every 18 months?
[03:33] <Hobbsee> it ought to be with release cycles that logn1
[03:33] <Sgep> Is there a distro that has the latest software?
[03:33] <cddesjar> don't i just need w32codecs to watch Real Video
[03:33] <cddesjar> the same folks who develop debian develop ubuntu
[03:33] <Hobbsee> Sgep: give me a sec
[03:33] <Sgep> hi MEtaLpREs 
[03:33] <MEtaLpREs> sup
[03:34] <Hobbsee> 1.4.1...yep, that's there in breezy
[03:34] <Hobbsee> openoffice.org 2 beta is the default though
[03:35] <MEtaLpREs> so how easy is the upgrade from the rc to the final release? would it be easier to just reinstall?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> you can grab it via adept/synaptic/apt-get/installer of choice
[03:35] <Hobbsee> MEtaLpREs: simple
[03:35] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:35] <jsubl2> cddesjar, download realplayer from http://real.com/linux
[03:35] <MEtaLpREs> ok, so the same as going from 5.04?
[03:35] <cddesjar> no i don't want realplayer
[03:35] <cddesjar> i want to use kaffeine
[03:36] <Hobbsee> going from 5.04 involves changing your sources.list and doing a dist-upgrade, and is far more risky
[03:36] <Hobbsee> cddesjar: then why not use it?
[03:36] <MEtaLpREs> ahh
[03:36] <Hobbsee> cddesjar: or do you need the other codecs as well?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> MEtaLpREs: as for updating from rc to breezy final, it's just like keeping your hoary updated, and i've been doing it for around a week with no problems
[03:37] <cddesjar> i think it's the gstreamer engine
[03:37] <cddesjar> i am going to install xine
[03:37] <MEtaLpREs> is there 64bit support good? i have amd64 but ive been running x86 for a while now cause 64bit support was real bad last time i tried it
[03:38] <cddesjar> does adept use apt-get or aptitude?
[03:38] <cddesjar> the xine engine tha tis
[03:38] <Hobbsee> cddesjar: doesnt aptitude use apt-get as well?
[03:38] <MEtaLpREs> since the performance increase is so small from x86 to amd64 im not going to deal with the hassle unless they have real good support
[03:38] <Hobbsee> i thought they both used apt-get, and were just GUI's for them
[03:38] <cddesjar> oh...i thought aptitude was different then apt-get
[03:38] <Hobbsee> MEtaLpREs: couldnt tell you myself, i dont have an amd64
[03:38] <cddesjar> !aptitude
[03:38] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, aptitude is like apt-get or synaptic, but uses a full-screen text interface, or the replacement/user front end for apt-get as of Debian Sarge
[03:39] <cddesjar> ok you're right
[03:39] <Hobbsee> mmm...i think they are all based on apt-get
[03:39] <Hobbsee> well, they'd have to be, otherwise they'd be based on rpms
[03:40] <cddesjar> alright that fixed my probably
[03:41] <cddesjar> installing xine-engine for kaffeine allowed me to stream real video/audio
[03:41] <Hobbsee> yay!
[03:42] <satafterh> is there an msn cliat to use a cam with?
[03:43] <cddesjar> amsn is suppose to be coming out with this pretty soon, or so i hear
[03:44] <satafterh> that would be great, no others at the moment?
[03:44] <MEtaLpREs> is the final release on the 13th with ubuntu or is kubuntu delayed?
[03:44] <cddesjar> not that i know of
[03:45] <satafterh> ok ty
[03:45] <Hobbsee> i'm assuming it's coming on the 13th, but i dont know
[03:46] <Hobbsee> seeing as the rc came a little late
[03:46] <satafterh> is any one familar with the news scrolling you can put on your task bar? I would liek to add cnn can i do that
[03:46] <satafterh> rc and final be all that differant?
[03:47] <Hobbsee> satafterh: you mean rss feeds?
[03:47] <satafterh> yes rss i think , lol
[03:47] <Hobbsee> and no, there will be some bug fixes, and i think the packages are going from 3.4.2 to 3.4.3 in kde
[03:47] <satafterh> knewsticker
[03:47] <Hobbsee> or akregator
[03:47] <Hobbsee> either owrks
[03:48] <satafterh> how can i add cnn
[03:48] <Hobbsee> no knewsticker in breezy, so cant help you there
[03:48] <Hobbsee> is there a button or an option makred "add feed"
[03:49] <satafterh> using breezy now and using knewsticker
[03:49] <satafterh> its ver 2
[03:49] <Hobbsee> mmm ok, i wonder why it's not on here
[03:49] <Hobbsee> oh well
[03:49] <Hobbsee> somewhere there will be a button saying add feed
[03:49] <Hobbsee> or in the menus
[03:49] <Hobbsee> then copy the address into there, it will find the feed, and download
[03:50] <Hobbsee> if it's like akgregator, that is
[03:50] <satafterh> i found that just dont know the feed to add for cnn
[03:50] <Hobbsee> try cnn.com
[03:51] <Hobbsee> usually it autofinds...
[03:51] <Hobbsee> ie http://www.cnn.com/
[03:51] <Hobbsee> ah :)
[03:51] <Hobbsee> U.S.
[03:51] <Hobbsee> nope, nto that
[03:51] <Hobbsee> http://www.cnn.com/services/rss/
[03:51] <Hobbsee> check out that page, and pick the one you want
[03:52] <satafterh> found this  http://www.newsisfree.com/HPE/xml/feeds/15/2315.xml
[03:52] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:52] <Hobbsee> that should work
[03:52] <Hobbsee> copy that address into the knewsticker
[03:57] <satafterh> its working , thanks
[03:58] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[04:18] <cddesjar> what bittorrent client can I use to make bittorrent files?  only azureus?
[04:20] <cyne> anyone know why my audio cd's aren't playing in Kubuntu?
[04:20] <Hobbsee> cyne: does any of your sound work?
[04:20] <cyne> Hobbsee: yes it all works apart from that
[04:21] <cyne> kscd tries to play it
[04:21] <cyne> ( audio discs ) and seems to play but produces no output
[04:21] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[04:22] <Hobbsee> try in a program that you know works, to see if it's the program...
[04:22] <cyne> is there a mixer setting i can change?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> although it works here
[04:22] <Hobbsee> kmix or alsamixer (the second in console) you could try
[04:22] <cyne> ok Hobbsee 
[04:23] <strike4ce> How do I set my root password?
[04:23] <cddesjar> do i need to install a package before i can mp3s?
[04:24] <jsubl2> cddesjar, sudo apt-get install akode-mpeg
[04:24] <Hobbsee> !tell strike4ce about root
[04:25] <Hobbsee> kuser is the actual answer
[04:25] <filloy> hi all !....can anybody recomend me an alternative to amsn ? i don like it very much.....
[04:26] <cddesjar> gaim
[04:26] <cddesjar> kopete
[04:26] <cddesjar> gaim is really easy and nice
[04:27] <filloy> uhmmm, tried them but im looking forward to test al instant messengers to see which one is best for me :P
[04:27] <filloy> thanx cddesjar
[04:27] <cyne> Hobbsee: alsamixer says CD is on 100%, and Xmms does the same thing with CDA's ( progress bar moves, but no output )
[04:28] <Hobbsee> hmm ok
[04:28] <Hobbsee> you can use aplay in the console you know, and try playing it from there, as a random sidenote
[04:28] <filloy> cyne try runing alsamixer and unmute stuff :)
[04:29] <filloy> cyne i cant use my laptop sound unless i mute "external amplifier"
[04:30] <cddesjar> you need gstreamer-mad too
[04:32] <filloy> yep, forgot that
[04:36] <cddesjar> hmm..it's telling me some media could not be loaded
[04:36] <cddesjar> i am using the gstreamer engine in amarok
[04:36] <cddesjar> and i d/l the akode-mpeg and g-streamer-0.8-mad packages
[04:37] <jsubl2> xine engine works good
[04:38] <cddesjar> i haven't installed xine engine yet
[04:38] <cddesjar> i am giong to
[04:39] <jsubl2> i have heard some say they prefer it to the others
[04:40] <cddesjar> i don't think i like adept
[04:40] <jsubl2> the search works well
[04:40] <cddesjar> it's too bloated...i think i'll stick to synaptic
[04:41] <hydrogen> hrm?
[04:41] <hydrogen> synaptic is more bloatlike than adept
[04:41] <hydrogen> and less kde-centric :/
[04:41] <propagandhi> no way
[04:41] <cddesjar> no way
[04:41] <cddesjar> adept is way more bloated
[04:41] <cddesjar> it's going to explode
[04:42] <`Nomad> hey all.. I'm very happy with this release so far.. Great job. :)
[04:43] <`Nomad> All I need now is my French Canadian keyboard layout. 
[04:43] <cddesjar> ok i switched engines and still no media can be loaded
[04:44] <jsubl2> cddesjar, amarok?
[04:44] <cddesjar> yup
[04:44] <jsubl2> did it scan your collection
[04:44] <cddesjar> yup
[04:44] <jsubl2> does  it work except for that error
[04:44] <frank23> `Nomad: did you upgrade to breezy?
[04:44] <TokenBad> in azureus any one know why it gives zipexception error?
[04:45] <jsubl2> TokenBad, using java 1.5
[04:45] <TokenBad> good question
[04:45] <TokenBad> not sure
[04:45] <jsubl2> java -version
[04:45] <laszlok> anyone knwo how to get ktts working?
[04:46] <cddesjar> strange it works now
[04:46] <cddesjar> f-ing wierd
[04:46] <TokenBad> java version "1.4.2"
[04:46] <TokenBad> gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.0.2 20050808 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.0.1-4ubuntu9)
[04:46] <filloy> apt-get distro-upgrade is 480 mb :S im going to sleep hahahaha, goodbye
[04:46] <jsubl2> oops
[04:48] <`Nomad>  fcrank:  yes. :)
[04:48] <`Nomad> oops.. sorry typo :)
[04:48] <`Nomad> frank23: Did a full install..  I wanted to repartition my HD
[04:49] <frank23> `Nomad: ok did you get French Canadian keyboard to work? you need Canada Variant: fr
[04:50] <Ravensky> I should switch to Kubuntu. After seeing how fast stuff installs, it's looking good ;)
[04:50] <cddesjar> i am living in Canada...i'm not french canadian though
[04:51] <Ravensky> on a crappy 1ghz machine too!
[04:51] <`Nomad> frank23:  Where would I find this?
[04:52] <frank23> `Nomad: System Settings -> Regional and Accessibility -> Keyboard Layout
[04:52] <frank23> `Nomad: Canada (Multilingual) will not work
[04:52] <`Nomad> frank: I do go there, but I do not have that option.. I only see Multilingual
[04:53] <`Nomad> I normally do not have to change everything to french to get the layout. :)
[04:53] <frank23> `Nomad: choose Canada then choose a Layout variant
[04:53] <`Nomad> got it.. 
[04:53] <`Nomad> :)
[04:54] <frank23> `Nomad: cool
[04:54] <`Nomad> h h h
[04:54] <`Nomad> :)
[04:54] <cddesjar> kubuntu is pretty sharp indeed
[04:55] <`Nomad> Now one last thing, some panels are huge when I get into them, like the one for keyboard actually.. I run at 1024X768
[04:55] <`Nomad> some panels are bigger than that and I can reach the apply button
[04:55] <`Nomad> can't reach I mean
[04:56] <frank23> `Nomad: I don't have that problem 1600x1200
[04:56] <`Nomad> The panel fo rstyles is especially huge..  I installed baghira cuz as much as I love linux, I still lust for a mac.. :)
[04:56] <`Nomad> me could use a better video card i guess.
[04:57] <`Nomad> :)
[04:57] <`Nomad> frank23: Thank you so much, I never saw that option for "fr"
[04:58] <frank23> `Nomad: yeah it took me a while to find it.. I even submitted a bug about it before finding it!
[04:58] <`Nomad> lol
[04:58] <frank23> finis les emails sans accents!
[05:05] <`Nomad> exactement
[05:05] <`Nomad> Next step, get my wacom tablet to behave as it should. :)
[05:06] <`Nomad> I am liek 99.6% to reachign my goal of living without M$-Windows
[05:06] <Hobbsee> lol nice
[05:06] <Hobbsee> i just had to boot there...horrible thing
[05:07] <Hobbsee> my connection suddenly died so i figured i'd get the updates for that...i dont know how people survive without multiple desktops...
[05:11] <Onetrack> so I'm in an installed kubuntu, lovin it, could someone point me to some information on the ltsp install for it ?
[05:13] <`Nomad> ltsp?
[05:13] <`Nomad> oh
[05:13] <`Nomad> do this an dit shows you which packages you need..    sudo apt-cache search ltsp
[05:14] <TokenBad> in azureus any one know why it gives zipexception error?
[05:15] <Onetrack> thanks nomad
[05:15] <Onetrack> I thought it was already in 5.10, or is that just ubuntu and not kubuntu
[05:16] <Hobbsee> is there a separate ubuntu/kubuntu bugzilla, or is it under the same one?
[05:17] <hydrogen> think its same one
[05:17] <Hobbsee> ok
[05:17] <Hobbsee> *goes off to report bug*
[05:19] <Sgep> Bye all!
[05:23] <whitefungi> say for instance....  I just installed kubuntu (from which I am typing) and I am trying to do and update apt-get update, it is stalling at the security check.  pointers?
[05:23] <Hobbsee> at the security check?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> did you use "sudo apt-get update"
[05:24] <whitefungi> Hobbsee: nope.  sudo bash
[05:24] <whitefungi> then apt-get update
[05:24] <pet> can u paste the err 
[05:24] <Hobbsee> ah...repositories are down, ditto some of the ubuntu site.
[05:25] <whitefungi> o-tay
[05:25] <whitefungi> hm.
[05:25] <whitefungi> bad first taste, but everything else is sweet.
[05:26] <Hobbsee> which is a pain, seeing as i was trying to go there and file a bug
[05:26] <Hobbsee> but yeah, post the error?
[05:27] <Hobbsee> kubuntu's down as wel
[05:27] <Hobbsee> l
[05:27] <whitefungi> aaronjs@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get update
[05:27] <whitefungi> 50% [Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com (82.211.81.151)]  [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (82.211.81.182)] 
[05:28] <whitefungi> ...and there it sits...
[05:28] <whitefungi> waiting.
[05:28] <Hobbsee> yeah, that just means the repositories are down
[05:28] <whitefungi> 'tis what I was dreading would be the case.
[05:28] <Hobbsee> give it a few mins, they havent been down like this in ages
[05:29] <whitefungi> I need to get apache,php, bluefish, mysql...   ...and on and on and on...
[05:30] <Hobbsee> i know!
[05:31] <Hobbsee> now you should be getting errors that they are timing out
[05:31] <whitefungi> where does mysql hide in this neat little app called kynaptic?
[05:32] <Hobbsee> you're on hoary, i take it?
[05:32] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, reps are down, you cant install synaptic
[05:32] <Hobbsee> use the search button, if it has oen
[05:32] <whitefungi> hoary?  I suppose that is the release.
[05:32] <whitefungi> what is most current?
[05:32] <cddesjar> i think kubuntu.org is down too
[05:32] <Hobbsee> breezy in a day and a half
[05:32] <Hobbsee> yeah it is
[05:33] <Hobbsee> currently hoary is, breezy is to be released tomorrow
[05:33] <whitefungi> hm, mysql is installed by default.  Interesting.
[05:33] <cddesjar> breezy is suppose to be released tomorrow?
[05:33] <Hobbsee> yeah, 13th
[05:33] <cddesjar> don't install hoary
[05:33] <cddesjar> well i guess it's not a waste of time
[05:33] <cddesjar> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:33] <whitefungi> already installed.  on vm machine at the moment.
[05:33] <Hobbsee> well, dist upgrade works most of the time
[05:33] <cddesjar> after editing the repositoires
[05:34] <cddesjar> and you're golden
[05:34] <frank23> whitefungi: you'll have a nice 450 MB download for breezy and you're done
[05:34] <Hobbsee> cddesjar: cant, the reps are down
[05:34] <cddesjar> i know
[05:34] <Hobbsee> lol
[05:34] <cddesjar> i am having troubles getting java too right now
[05:34] <cddesjar> too many people on bittorrent
[05:35] <whitefungi> I'm sure the repositories will go down to do a big swap out of files...   Old dist to new dist.   heh.   
[05:35] <Hobbsee> no
[05:35] <regeya_> bittorrent == teh evile
[05:35] <Hobbsee> the reps are different
[05:35] <Hobbsee> you can grab java...
[05:35] <Hobbsee> !java
[05:35] <ubotu> methinks javadeb is for sun java debs packaged for ubuntu, Install from http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/87ofx (Breezy) 64-bit? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#java
[05:35] <Hobbsee> not via bittorrent, that is
[05:36] <cddesjar> yeah that's via bittorrent
[05:36] <cddesjar> you need a bittorrent client to install java via those websites
[05:36] <Hobbsee> http://giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[05:36] <Hobbsee> nah...i didnt realise you couldnt still get to that link
[05:36] <Hobbsee> that should get you straight to the debs of them
[05:36] <cddesjar> hey...thanks
[05:36] <Hobbsee> :P no probs
[05:37] <whitefungi> gah!   no gcc?
[05:37] <whitefungi> lol
[05:37] <cddesjar> 1.5 right?
[05:37] <Hobbsee> java? yeah
[05:37] <Hobbsee> make sure you get the 2nd in the list, not the dev version
[05:38] <Hobbsee> excluding parent directory on top
[05:38] <cddesjar> you mean not sdk the re right?
[05:38] <Hobbsee> yeah
[05:39] <Pwn3r> how can i control what shows up when i type 'media:/' in the konqueror address bar?
[05:39] <whitefungi> fstab?
[05:39] <Hobbsee> fstab
[05:39] <Hobbsee> what's showing now though, and what do you want to add?
[05:39] <cddesjar> and here i went and installed w32codecs via bittorrent...thought that seemed silly
[05:40] <Hobbsee> lol
[05:40] <Pwn3r> right now there is cdroms and hard drives, and i want to add usb devices
[05:40] <Hobbsee> usb devices plugged in, i take it?
[05:40] <Pwn3r> yea, and they are auto mounted in /media
[05:40] <Hobbsee> you on kde 3.4.3 or 3.5beta?
[05:41] <Pwn3r> kde 3.4.3
[05:41] <Hobbsee> check for a bug, otherwise file one on it
[05:41] <Hobbsee> that shouldnt be happening
[05:42] <Hobbsee> kde 3.4.2 it showed the correct thing
[05:42] <Hobbsee> 3.5 does the same as 3.4.2, if you want to put that in there
[05:42] <Pwn3r> i upgraded to breezy yesterday
[05:42] <Hobbsee> http://bugs.kde.org
[05:42] <Pwn3r> thats when it broke, it worked great before
[05:42] <Hobbsee> *nods* which would be why you have 3..4.3
[05:43] <Pwn3r> k :)
[05:43] <Hobbsee> yeah, you upgraded to 3.4.3 during the install
[05:43] <frank23> cddesjar: why is w32codecs via bittorrent silly, the only repo I know that has it is debian-marillat and you cant use that for anything else
[05:44] <Hobbsee> frank23: there are ubuntu versions at: http://giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[05:45] <frank23> Hobbsee: oh, ok
[05:46] <Hobbsee> very neat having that :P
[05:58] <cddesjar> !w32codecs
[05:58] <ubotu> from memory, w32codecs is a set of codecs for popular audio/video formats (wmv etc). Install from http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/87ofx (Breezy)
[05:58] <cddesjar> click on the links frank
[05:58] <cddesjar> oh wait a minute
[05:58] <cddesjar> i miss read what you were saying
[05:58] <cddesjar> you weren't doubtiing me
[05:58] <cddesjar> sorry
[05:59] <frank23> cddesjar: I wasn't doubting you ;)
[06:01] <Hobbsee> lol
[06:03] <cddesjar> i get defensive i guess
[06:03] <cddesjar> :)
[06:11] <Hobbsee> ubuntu seems to be back up, including repositories
[06:13] <Hobbsee> kubuntu's not though
[06:13] <Ravensky> that was easy :P
[06:14] <Ravensky> umm, does adept delete the downloaded DEB's after they're installed?
[06:14] <frank23> Ravensky: in a few days: Ravensky got rid of Gentoo???
[06:14] <frank23> no
[06:15] <Ravensky> hmm
[06:15] <Ravensky> where does it download them to? /tmp/?
[06:15] <frank23> but you can clean /var/cache/apt/archives/ 
[06:15] <Ravensky> ah
[06:15] <Ravensky> ok
[06:16] <Ravensky> well, I do need to redo my system, and I might switch to Kubuntu. I'm going to see how this goes for the next few days and see
[06:16] <JonasNZ> hey is there a way to print all the urls of the packages that adept wants to download so i can download them elsewhere
[06:17] <Ravensky> I only set a 10 gig partition for kubuntu right now. If I decide to use it as my main OS, I guess I'll transfer over my current Gentoo stuff to my 200 gig and then expand this to fit the whole hard drive
[06:18] <frank23> JonasNZ: where do you want to get them? you can use other national mirrors by editing your sources.list 
[06:19] <Ravensky> why does kubuntu have such a small default font size? or is that just GTK apps...
[06:19] <TokenBad> in azureus any one know why it gives zipexception error?
[06:19] <frank23> Ravensky: thats in breezy by default I think
[06:19] <JonasNZ> frank23: its not where i want to get the from, its that at home i have dialup and id like to download them at school were we have a 10mb pipe
[06:19] <Ravensky> frank23, oh...hmm
[06:20] <frank23> Ravensky: you can change the gtk-qt style in system settings
[06:20] <Ravensky> I see that
[06:20] <Ravensky> I didnt know it was installed :P
[06:20] <Ravensky> (my first time using kubuntu was last night installing it on a friend's comp because he got fed up with WIndows)
[06:21] <Hobbsee> lol
[06:21] <Hobbsee> i like having it installed by default!
[06:22] <Ravensky> frank23, the GTK-QT thing seems to fail to open using the Settings window -> LookNFeel -> link
[06:22] <Ravensky> I had to use kcontrol to make it work
[06:24] <frank23> Ravensky: I don't know where you are. I was talking about System Settings -> Appearance -> GTK styles and fonts
[06:27] <cddesjar> is realplayer packaged?
[06:27] <frank23> cddesjar: yes 
[06:28] <Ravensky> frank23, that's what I did. I gave the mouse feedback thingy, but never actually opened anything
[06:28] <cddesjar> as realplayer? 
[06:30] <frank23> cddesjar: yes, realplayer 8 is in breezy multiverse and 10 is in hoary-extras... I think
[06:30] <frank23> Ravensky: I don't follow you
[06:31] <cddesjar> what's the multiverse?
[06:31] <cddesjar> what's your sources.list look like?
[06:31] <cddesjar> can you paste it for me
[06:31] <Ravensky> when I clicked on GTK Styles and Fonts, it never opened anything.
[06:32] <Ravensky> happened on my friend's comp last night when I was helping set that up too
[06:32] <frank23> Ravensky: I don't know... it works for me
[06:32] <Ravensky> I dont know either :P
[06:32] <cddesjar> nevermind
[06:32] <cddesjar> i found it at ubuntuguide.org
[06:32] <Ravensky> I wonder how long it's going to take my friend to learn basic Linux
[06:32] <frank23> !repositories
[06:32] <ubotu> rumour has it, sources is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[06:33] <frank23> !ubuntuguide
[06:33] <ubotu> I guess ubuntuguide is out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide will soon be the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[06:33] <Ravensky> I just threw a new OS at him and installed Firefox and Gaim. That's about it :P
[06:34] <frank23> Ravensky: you might have to help him out a bit... :-
[06:34] <Ravensky> ya, I know
[06:34] <Ravensky> which repo is Azureus in?
[06:34] <Ravensky> the universal one?
[06:35] <frank23> hoary-extras
[06:36] <frank23> I don't know why azureus is not in universe though
[06:36] <Ravensky> no, I was wondering if it was, because I dont have universe enabled
[06:37] <Ravensky> do I want deb-src repo's enabled?
[06:37] <frank23> They are not really useful unless you need to compile from source
[06:38] <Ravensky> hmm, ok
[06:38] <frank23> I keep the deb-src disabled
[06:39] <JonasNZ> whats backports?
[06:39] <frank23> !backports
[06:39] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[06:40] <frank23> its newer versions of programs for ubuntu
[06:40] <cddesjar> are those backport packages newer than what's avaiable for breezy?
[06:41] <frank23> cddesjar: no, they are newer than hoary
[06:41] <MEtaLpREs> ahhh... nice new breezy install
[06:41] <frank23> cddesjar: once developpement of the next version starts, backports for breezy will appear
[06:42] <JonasNZ> frank23: is backports a large repo?
[06:43] <frank23> JonasNZ: not that much... only programs which have useful new features are backported, I think
[06:44] <MEtaLpREs> Adept Manager is really nice, i like it a lot more then Synaptic
[06:44] <frank23> MEtaLpREs: really, I am so used to synaptic, that I can't use adept
[06:44] <Hobbsee> hang on, backports dont exist anymore in hoary
[06:44] <Hobbsee> !repositories
[06:44] <ubotu> sources is, like, totally, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[06:44] <frank23> Hobbsee: yes they do
[06:44] <Hobbsee> do they?  
[06:45] <Ravensky> I dont see azureus anywhere, even with the universe repo enabled
[06:45] <frank23> Ravensky: its in hoary-extras, I think
[06:45] <JonasNZ> frank23: ok, and wats the diff between multiverse and universe
[06:45] <frank23> deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[06:46] <Ravensky> ok...and what do I enter in Adept to add that one? (one reason I kinda dislike Debian/Redhat)
[06:46] <frank23> JonasNZ: universe is open source and not officially supported by ubuntu, multiverse is closed source and not supported by ubuntu
[06:46] <Ravensky> enter that line in Adept?
[06:46] <kurtbec> anyone's /etc/init.d/kdm script actually work?
[06:47] <frank23> Ravensky: yes in manage repositories
[06:47] <Ravensky> thanks frank23, there it is :D
[06:48] <Ravensky> Action: BREAK (install) <--- what's that mean?
[06:48] <Ravensky> going to break another package?
[06:48] <frank23> I don't know adept
[06:48] <Ravensky> oh
[06:48] <Ravensky> hmm
[06:49] <frank23> Ravensky: but it shouldn't break anything
[06:49] <JonasNZ> i hope prelinking is worth it on a p3 coppermine, its taking so long
[06:49] <frank23> kurtbec: what do you mean kdm doesn't work?
[06:49] <Ravensky> well, it wont commit the changes because it claims it will :|
[06:50] <JonasNZ> hey fellow kiwi dialup user :D
[06:50] <Ravensky> arg, I really need to reconfig xorg.conf
[06:50] <Ravensky> it's only letting me go to 1024x768 :|
[06:50] <JonasNZ> Ravensky: yeah me too, its the stupid config util
[06:50] <kurtbec> frank23: well kdm works but if try to do a /etc/init.d/kdm restart kdm dies off but then never restarts I just get a black screen with a white cursor.
[06:51] <Ravensky> JonasNZ, config util?
[06:51] <frank23> kurtbec: what if you do kdm stop, then kdm start?  I think restart doesn't work for me too
[06:52] <Ravensky> anyway...brb, going to config X
[06:52] <kurtbec> i'll give it a try and see what happens.
[06:52] <JonasNZ> Raven you know display settings thing in kde
[06:53] <kurtbec> Also, I notice kubuntu boots into runlevel 2 by default. if I want to be into full multiuser without X what do you do?
[06:54] <frank23> kurtbec: the runlevels in ubuntu are not the usual ones.... but I don't know the details
[06:55] <Ravensky> err...is there a default root password?
[06:56] <frank23> Ravensky: no
[06:56] <frank23> !sudo
[06:56] <ubotu> methinks sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:56] <JonasNZ> !sleep
[06:56] <ubotu> JonasNZ: I give up, what is it?
[06:56] <frank23> hehe
[06:56] <JonasNZ> any one know how i can setup suspend to ram
[06:56] <JonasNZ> ive edited acpi-support in defaults now how do i trigger it?
[06:57] <frank23> I don't know. I don't have a laptop
[06:57] <JonasNZ> neither do i, i just wanna be able to sleep my desktop
[06:58] <frank23> JonasNZ: my desktop is an insomniac :)
[06:59] <MEtaLpREs> how good is the package removal ability in breezy or hoary, can packages be removed without worrying about destroying dependencies?
[07:01] <frank23> MEtaLpREs: yes you can remove them but if you remove essential packages, you might not end up with a functionnal system
[07:01] <Ravensky> heh
[07:02] <MEtaLpREs> wel ofcourse i would select anything essential, just want to get rid of some extra apps like Konversation and Bluetooth chat, things like that that i wont ever use
[07:02] <Ravensky> I seem to remember kubuntu asking what resolution you want to run at during install. I never got that with my comp, but did when I installed it on my friend's
[07:02] <MEtaLpREs> but if i remove certain apps will it take its dependecies with it or leave them for other apps?
[07:03] <Ravensky> and "Xorg -configure" wouldnt work because it "Couldnt find the output drivers"
[07:03] <frank23> MEtaLpREs: you can remove it sure... although that will remove kubuntu-desktop  but I don't think its a big problem
[07:03] <frank23> MEtaLpREs: the dependancies will stay
[07:04] <frank23> MEtaLpREs: In other words, as long as you don't remove SomeApp, it will continue working for sure
[07:04] <frank23> !resolution
[07:04] <ubotu> I guess resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:04] <frank23> Ravensky: ^^^^
[07:05] <Ravensky> frank23, are you the resident Ubuntu guru here? :P
[07:06] <MEtaLpREs> oy, now time for the fun of getting my radeon card working without destroying X
[07:06] <frank23> I guess I am for tonight:P
[07:06] <MEtaLpREs> cant wait for some better ati drivers
[07:07] <Hobbsee> aftertaf will take frank23's shift later in the night, i'm sure
[07:08] <frank23> It's also the first time I get called a guru. And I couldn't even get Gentoo working!
[07:08] <Hobbsee> lol
[07:08] <Ravensky> umm, I just accidentally closed my Konsole window while that dpkg-reconfigure thing was open, and now it says that confog.dat is locked my another process
[07:09] <Hobbsee> wait a couple of mins and try again?
[07:10] <Hobbsee> that works for when you accidently close the console with apt-get
[07:11] <wotnarg> anyone know what day breezy is going to be released?
[07:11] <Ravensky> how long is a couple of minutes?
[07:11] <Ravensky> been about 3 min now...
[07:11] <frank23> wotnarg: the 13th I think
[07:13] <Ravensky> brb
[07:15] <Ravensky> hmm
[07:18] <onetrack> anyone here running ltsp on breezy? i can get it to see the system, but pxe hangs at the tftp download, whats supposed to be in there? i am so totally lost on this.
[07:19] <frank23> Ravensky: did you change your resolution?
[07:19] <frank23> onetrack: I don't even know what ltsp is. sorry
[07:19] <onetrack> hah.. terminal server.. 5.10 aparently has it built in, but i've been building from scratch..
[07:20] <onetrack> have the ltsp-admin utils and dhcp-3 working.. but the machine pulls nothing at all through tftp...
[07:22] <Ravensky> frank23, I found the process that locked it and just ran the program now. Restarting X :D
[07:26] <Ravensky> yay
[07:26] <frank23> it works?
[07:26] <Ravensky> ya
[07:27] <Ravensky> brb, adjusting font sizes..
[07:28] <Ravensky> ok, now yay :D
[07:34] <onetrack> ok thanks guys, i'm giving this up for now and goin off to play some cod.. cheers to ya
[07:35] <chx> is there some katapult docs available?
[07:40] <CaiN_SA> morning
[07:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi CaiN_SA :)
[07:41] <CaiN_SA> sup 
[07:41] <frank23> good night CaiN_SA ;-)
[07:41] <CaiN_SA> hehe
[07:41] <CaiN_SA> its only 7:41 here in the morning
[07:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[07:41] <CaiN_SA> have wholeday of work ahead of me :(
[07:41] <Hobbsee> back
[07:41] <frank23> 1:41 am here
[07:41] <Hobbsee> yuck...
[07:42] <Hobbsee> 3.41pm here
[07:42] <chavo> 1:41 here also
[07:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> bugger CaiN_SA :( 
[07:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Hobbsee :)
[07:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> 3.12pm here ;D
[07:42] <chavo> almost time to try and get some sleep
[07:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> frank23: so your off to bed in 2-3 hours?
[07:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[07:42] <frank23> Kamping_Kaiser: not quite.
[07:42] <Hobbsee> hey Kamping_Kaiser adelaide or nt?
[07:43] <Ravensky> Hobbsee, nevermind :P
[07:43] <frank23> Kamping_Kaiser: where do you get the 30 min difference? It's like Newfoundland...
[07:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: adelaide
[07:43] <Hobbsee> i saw
[07:43] <Hobbsee> thought so, nice place that...i was born there
[07:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh :O i moved here a while back
[07:43] <Hobbsee> frank23: it's half an hour behind est
[07:43] <Hobbsee> from where?
[07:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> im in the hills actulay, but still sa
[07:43] <Hobbsee> ah yes
[07:44] <Hobbsee> been there
[07:44] <frank23> Hobbsee: Newfoundland, the easternomost province in Canada is 30 off from AST
[07:44] <Hobbsee> go thru there to drive to get back to sydney
[07:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> hobart . i want to move back there in a year or 2
[07:44] <CaiN_SA> what network config tool does kubuntu use ?
[07:44] <Hobbsee> frank23: ah...
[07:44] <Hobbsee> eek!  cold hobart!
[07:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> :OO: <3 hobart
[07:45] <Hobbsee> CaiN_SA: wifi config? or dialup? or somethign else
[07:45] <Hobbsee> i've not been there, i just hear it's cold
[07:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> ! tell me about grub
[07:45] <ubotu> Kamping_Kaiser: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[07:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell me about grub
[07:46] <Hobbsee> !tell Kamping_Kaiser about grub
[07:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: its not that bad
[07:46] <Hobbsee> that want you wanted?
[07:46] <Hobbsee> mmm...i'll take your word for it lol
[07:46] <Hobbsee> although i would like to visit sometime
[07:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh. i had a space4 the first time
[07:46] <CaiN_SA> Hobbsee, normal config 
[07:46] <Hobbsee> !tell me about cigarete
[07:46] <CaiN_SA> of eth :)
[07:46] <Hobbsee> !tell me about cigarette
[07:47] <Hobbsee> lol...i dont smoke
[07:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[07:47] <Hobbsee> there's some network configs in kcontrol
[07:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> you mean ubotu has an entry for it?
[07:47] <Hobbsee> yes
[07:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[07:47] <Hobbsee> try it
[07:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell me about cigarette
[07:48] <Hobbsee> nah, just use !cigarette
[07:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[07:48] <leonard> hello
[07:48] <Hobbsee> hi
[07:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont smoke, but thanks ubotu ;)
[07:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi leonard
[07:48] <leonard> i am a new linux user
[07:48] <Hobbsee> heh...that one got taken out
[07:48] <Hobbsee> thought it might have!
[07:48] <Hobbsee> ooh fun
[07:49] <leonard> i just switched from winding windows.. 
[07:49] <frank23> !cigarette
[07:49] <ubotu> It's bad to smoke, but frank23 needs one all the same...  Here dude, have a light :)
[07:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> leonard: having problems?
[07:49] <leonard> now how do i upgrade/downgrade from ubuntu to kubuntu?
[07:49] <leonard> can someone help?
[07:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> leonard: do you have ubuntu installed?
[07:50] <Hobbsee> give me a sec
[07:50] <leonard> yes
[07:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> its not so much 'upgrade' as 'move sideways'
[07:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> install kubuntu-desktop package
[07:50] <chavo> leonard, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure how to remove gnome though :( havent worked that out
[07:50] <chavo> no, it's definitely moving forward :)
[07:50] <Hobbsee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//InstallingKDE
[07:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> (would have been good when i remed kde)
[07:50] <leonard> which is better KDE or GNOME?
[07:51] <Hobbsee> lol...you'll start a flamewar with that qn
[07:51] <Hobbsee> it's a matter of personal preference
[07:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> leonard: totaly a matter of taste. its a bad question ;)
[07:51] <chavo> Kamping_Kaiser, I don't think there's a way to get it all, but I removed libgnome, and that took a lot of it out
[07:51] <leonard> ok let me put it this way, which is good for a linux beginner like me?
[07:51] <Hobbsee> it's easiest just to install kubuntu in the first place, or reinstall with a kubuntu cd
[07:51] <Hobbsee> both of them
[07:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> chavo: yeh, im hopeing apt- has a magic way of removing all the dependances of a meta package that i dont know about
[07:52] <Hobbsee> have a look at the screenshots for each, and see which looks better to you
[07:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> seconded
[07:52] <leonard> my problem is will my applications run for both?
[07:52] <Hobbsee> yes
[07:52] <leonard> Long Live Linux !!
[07:52] <Hobbsee> particularly if you grab the package that has gtk and qt in it - i can never remember the name of it
[07:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> leonard: depends which applications
[07:53] <Hobbsee> makes all the gnome ones look like kde ones
[07:53] <Hobbsee> well, without getting rid of gnome, leonard certainly can
[07:53] <leonard> KDE looks more like Unix to me
[07:53] <Hobbsee> i thought unix looked like a command line/terminal
[07:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[07:54] <leonard> I heard the new windows is build off a linux kernel. How true does this statement deviate from the truth?
[07:54] <Ravensky> Vista?
[07:55] <Ravensky> I heard it's based off of Windows Server 2003...
[07:55] <leonard> Longhorn renamed Vista. YES !
[07:55] <Hobbsee> it looks like you can remove "gnome" although i'm not sure if that's a metapackage
[07:55] <chavo> leonard, whoever told you that is your enemy.
[07:55] <Hobbsee> lol
[07:55] <leonard> Oh !
[07:55] <Hobbsee> i dont think it's built off linux
[07:55] <Hobbsee> it's using the idea of sudo though
[07:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> Ravensky: its based on NT
[07:55] <Ravensky> better user control?
[07:56] <Hobbsee> ie not running everyone as root by default, and getting pepole to put in the admin password to do any admin functions, like installing programs
[07:56] <Hobbsee> hopefully
[07:56] <leonard> how do you guys know? has anyone test driven it?
[07:56] <Ravensky> my dad can get the alpha version of Office 12 from his work :P
[07:56] <Ravensky> he works at HP
[07:56] <Hobbsee> leonard: by reading reviews of it, pretty much
[07:56] <Hobbsee> ooh nice, that'd be interesting to see
[07:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> leonard: theres plenty there to read
[07:56] <Hobbsee> http://www.winsupersite.com/ is fairly good about it
[07:57] <leonard> Is Linux and windows brother and sister or more like Bush and Bin Laden?
[07:57] <Hobbsee> Ravensky: it'd be interesting to see how well it works with anything else, in terms of doc formats
[07:57] <leonard> too many questions huh!?
[07:58] <Hobbsee> well, that depends on your point of view really
[07:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> leonard: neither. they have different cultures
[07:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> not to many questions, more hard to answer ones ;)
[07:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> !linuxnotwindows
[07:58] <ubotu> methinks linuxnotwindows is http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[07:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> iirc
[07:58] <Ravensky> Hobbsee, it's an alpha...and since it's Microsoft, all of the bugs in alpha will still be there in final release :P
[07:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> leonard: have a look at that link
[07:58] <Hobbsee> lol exactly
[07:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol Ravensky
[07:58] <Hobbsee> hence i thought it'd be a pretty good representation of the final product :P
[07:59] <Hobbsee> hi aftertaf
[07:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi aftertaf
[07:59] <Hobbsee> if it's an alpha, how logn is the record that it actually stays open lol?
[08:00] <leonard> i was just downloading applications and suddenly everything on my gnome changed from ubuntu to edubuntu.. what is this/
[08:00] <Hobbsee> did you download edubuntu art or something?
[08:00] <leonard> Oh !! i see..
[08:00] <leonard> I did that.
[08:00] <leonard> Thanks.
[08:00] <leonard> This is a nice article.
[08:01] <Hobbsee> it is
[08:01] <Hobbsee> ah, well that would explain why lol
[08:01] <aftertaf> hi guys :)
[08:01] <leonard> Most people see linux as windows replacement which is just an alternative.
[08:01] <aftertaf> leonard:  true, and it isnt !
[08:01] <aftertaf> !linuxnotwindows
[08:01] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, linuxnotwindows is http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[08:01] <leonard> true. The problem is my friends who work at microsoft hate linux, i don't know why.
[08:02] <fatejudger> does anyone know a good repository to get the firefox beta?
[08:02] <Hobbsee> yeah, odd that...they compete with a free product
[08:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[08:02] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: i think you have to download the .tar.gz and run the script.  check on ubuntuforums
[08:02] <Hobbsee> whiich in a lot of cases, is better
[08:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> leonard: a few ppl here MSCE, and i know some MS Vista beta testers that switched to ubuntu
[08:02] <Kamping_Kaiser>  *few ppl here ARE MSCE, and....
[08:02] <Hobbsee> i mean, where's windows multiple virtual desktops by now?
[08:03] <Hobbsee> it's impossible to work effectively and spread everything out without them!
[08:03] <leonard> why is ubuntu so popular?
[08:03] <Hobbsee> beta testers...more like alpha testers...
[08:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: yeh, i loave that feature *looks at 5 workspaces on laptop, and 12 on desktop*
[08:03] <Hobbsee> hehehe yeah
[08:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> leonard: because its well thought out, and tends to 'just work'
[08:04] <aftertaf> i'm MCSE :)
[08:04] <leonard> i see ubuntu by passing federa and mandrake soon !!
[08:04] <Hobbsee> what's msce, btw?
[08:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D i didnt want to name you aftertaf ;)
[08:04] <Hobbsee> it already does, according to distro watch
[08:04] <Ravensky> who here actually uses the multiple desktops in Linux?
[08:04] <Hobbsee> me, all the time
[08:04] <leonard> microsoft certified Engineers
[08:04] <aftertaf> Hobbsee:  with nvidia drivers i can have virt desktops.... but its clumsy compared to linux :)
[08:04] <Hobbsee> ah..
[08:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> Ravensky: all the time
[08:04] <Hobbsee> there's a program that can let you do it too
[08:04] <aftertaf> Ravensky:  me !
[08:04] <Hobbsee> but the windows would be way too small to drag and drop it
[08:05] <Hobbsee> the programs into differnet ones, that is
[08:05] <aftertaf> anyone installed 3DDesk ?
[08:05] <Ravensky> hmm, I dont really have much use for it. Yay for tabs :P
[08:05] <Hobbsee> ah yes, definetly yay for tabs
[08:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> ++
[08:05] <Ravensky> I usually only have Gaim, Firefox, xchat, konsole, amarok, and probably some misc thing open at a time
[08:05] <Hobbsee> i have one for email, one for games/chat/irc/etc, one that's got the school stuff on it, ie a document open in open office right after it
[08:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> Ravensky: 5 apps. good reason for 5 desktop :)
[08:06] <Ravensky> lol
[08:06] <Hobbsee> then whenver the parents come in, tap ctrl tab, and it looks like i'm doing work
[08:06] <Hobbsee> chats? what chats?  can you see any chats lol?
[08:06] <Hobbsee> :P
[08:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> on this laptop i have 'chat' 'web' 'terminals' and 'other'
[08:06] <aftertaf> i have 3.... 1 for local, one for ssh, 1 for crap :)
[08:07] <leonard> I cannot play mp3 using totem, can someone help?
[08:07] <Ravensky> sleeeeep
[08:07] <Ravensky> bye
[08:07] <Hobbsee> lol...sleep's overrated
[08:07] <Hobbsee> !sleep
[08:07] <ubotu> Hobbsee: What?
[08:07] <Hobbsee> exactly
[08:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> 'chat' doubles as 'work in progres'
[08:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[08:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol aftertaf
[08:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> my ssh's are a tab (:D) in gnome-terminal on 'terminals'
[08:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell leonard about restricted formats
[08:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> later Ravensky
[08:08] <leonard> what are restricted formats?
[08:08] <aftertaf> !sleep
[08:08] <ubotu> hmm... sleep is overrated
[08:08] <Hobbsee> :P
[08:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> leonard: restrcted formats are stuff like mp3/movie codes that ubuntu cant package on the cd
[08:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> for legal reasons
[08:09] <Hobbsee> wish it could though
[08:09] <Hobbsee> mind you, they're not that hard to get
[08:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> in a lot of cases , they put it in 'multiverse', but some things cant even be in there
[08:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: yeh :( but the price you pay for availablilty
[08:09] <Hobbsee> true
[08:10] <Hobbsee> *sigh*  are the repositories down again?
[08:11] <Hobbsee> nope, never mind
[08:11] <Hobbsee> hey mate!
[08:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0 another au
[08:11] <Hobbsee> yep
[08:12] <Hobbsee> it's world domination you know :P  
[08:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> well if we start with teh *ubuntu chans we are well on the way :D
[08:12] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:12] <Hobbsee> exactly
[08:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> and a fair amount of #*ubuntu is from au from what  i see
[08:12] <aftertaf> another au. you're in force this morning/evening. as usual :p
[08:12] <Hobbsee> well, it is the right sort of time for the aussies
[08:13] <Hobbsee> lol...of course
[08:13] <Hobbsee> and it's afternoon, get it right aftertaf :P
[08:14] <aftertaf> :)
[08:14] <Hobbsee> :(
[08:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) brb
[08:15] <Hobbsee> ooh, i dont have my window open that looks like i'm doing work...i must rectify that
[08:15] <aftertaf> lool
[08:16] <Hobbsee> right, rectified, shortcut activated
[08:16] <MEtaLpREs> umm... why am i unable to get get make to run at all in breezy
[08:16] <webdwarf> apt-get install build-essential
[08:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol Hobbsee
[08:17] <Hobbsee> i prefer amarok actually :P
[08:17] <Hobbsee> !start a desktop war
[08:17] <ubotu> twm is much better than gnome!
[08:18] <MEtaLpREs> excellent, thanks webdwarf
[08:18] <webdwarf> amarok + kaffeine :D
[08:18] <webdwarf> no probs MEtaLpREs 
[08:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: can you play mp3s over ssh with amarok?
[08:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;D
[08:19] <Hobbsee> got no idea, can you use ssh wiht windows computers?
[08:19] <aftertaf> !start a media war
[08:19] <ubotu> aftertaf: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[08:19] <aftertaf> :/
[08:19] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[08:19] <Hobbsee> i think he did
[08:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: yes. you can
[08:19] <aftertaf> Hobbsee:  yep. teraterm, for one
[08:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> but not in the same way
[08:19] <Hobbsee> oh fun
[08:19] <Hobbsee> maybe i should try it on dad's computer
[08:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> putty, winscp, and a few others
[08:19] <Hobbsee> *nods* one day that could be interesting
[08:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> or install cygwin and do it properly ;D
[08:20] <webdwarf> or install ubuntu and be done with it?
[08:20] <Hobbsee> dad would kill me when he found out
[08:20] <aftertaf> hehe
[08:21] <Hobbsee> i'd be doubly killed if i did that!
[08:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[08:21] <Hobbsee> hmmm...being killed twice...
[08:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> lmao
[08:21] <Hobbsee> hehehe
[08:21] <Hobbsee> come on then, i'll let you take responsibility
[08:22] <Hobbsee> so when dad comes running after me i'll point to you instead and he'll kill you off
[08:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol 'takes responability and points at Hobbsee'
[08:23] <Hobbsee> i had nothing to do with this, nope
[08:23] <Hobbsee> although a browser that wouldnt crash every time you try and close it on there would be nice...
[08:23] <Hobbsee> LOL...sure you dont
[08:24] <Hobbsee> maybe gentoo or debian you dont, but not ubuntu
[08:24] <Hobbsee> it's not hard, especially if you tell it to overwrite the entire disk
[08:24] <webdwarf> debian installer is almost identical to ubuntu :P
[08:24] <Hobbsee> saves dual booting, etc
[08:24] <webdwarf> gentoo installation is.. annoying
[08:24] <Hobbsee> ah, i've heard it was rotten a few years ago
[08:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: all my servers run debian ;)
[08:25] <webdwarf> debian for servers, ubuntu for desktops!
[08:25] <Hobbsee> :P  then you definetly have no excuse!
[08:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes !
[08:25] <aftertaf> linux for everyting :)
[08:25] <Hobbsee> mmm...but not for sims 2
[08:25] <aftertaf> dont do sims 2.
[08:25] <webdwarf> haha.. stuff sims 2 :P
[08:25] <aftertaf> :)
[08:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: noooo! openbsd for routers and netbsd for fridges :D
[08:25] <Hobbsee> heh...but it's a fun game!
[08:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: its crap :P
[08:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> *jk* its a girls game */jk*
[08:26] <aftertaf> loooool
[08:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:26] <Hobbsee> well, that suits me...seeing as i am one
[08:26] <webdwarf> i could prolly get my girlfriend onto linux if sims 2 worked tho.. aswell as photoshop, illustrator, fireworks and flash :P
[08:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> i know. :)
[08:26] <Hobbsee> mmm...tried cedega for any of the others?
[08:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol webdwarf. 
[08:26] <Hobbsee> :P
[08:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> cedega is for games, crossover is for apps in general
[08:27] <webdwarf> not yet.. wouldnt mind giving it a go tho
[08:27] <Hobbsee> true
[08:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> and wine is teh one true api converter :D
[08:27] <Hobbsee> cedega wont run sims 2, apparently :(
[08:27] <webdwarf> heh that sucks :(
[08:27] <Hobbsee> true
[08:27] <Hobbsee> tried wine a while ago
[08:27] <webdwarf> why cant they just make linux versions? :P
[08:27] <Hobbsee> figured i'd wait till the beta versions start
[08:27] <webdwarf> all the GOOD games come out for linux
[08:27] <Hobbsee> lol yeah, i wish
[08:27] <webdwarf> ie.. quake and ut :P
[08:27] <Hobbsee> what, you mean all the first person shooters?
[08:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol webdwarf. im starting to come around to that thinking ;)
[08:28] <Hobbsee> although yes, they are fun to play on a lan
[08:28] <webdwarf> the very best game is only available for linux.. and thats tuxracer :D
[08:28] <Hobbsee> ah yes, of course
[08:28] <Hobbsee> but you're wrong webdwarf 
[08:28] <Hobbsee> it's available for windows too
[08:28] <webdwarf> really?
[08:28] <Hobbsee> yeah
[08:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> webdwarf: imo gnometris, but anyway ;)
[08:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes, it is :)
[08:29] <Hobbsee> pingus is fun too, needs more levels
[08:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> so you can play with a penguin iwthout running the penguin
[08:29] <webdwarf> heh... i tried convincing someone to switch to linux because it had tuxracer once :P
[08:29] <Hobbsee> heh..my friend adores tuxracer, but it didnt play too well on her computer
[08:29] <Hobbsee> windows one, no decent graphics card, around 128mb ram
[08:29] <Hobbsee> XP, i might add
[08:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> ouch
[08:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbs.
[08:30] <Hobbsee> very ouch
[08:32] <aftertaf> wow 100mph on ubuntu.
[08:33] <aftertaf> kubuntu chan has become a lounge :)
[08:33] <JonasNZ> thw file, /etc/env.d/99kde-env on gentoo, where would i find the equivalent on kubuntu so i can set, KDE_IS_PRELINKED="true"
[08:33] <Hobbsee> huh?
[08:33] <Hobbsee> to aftertaf, that is
[08:34] <aftertaf> lol Hobbsee didnt know you were a sims2 (girlie) :)
[08:34] <cyne> nvidia-glx suxx
[08:34] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: sure, it's a good game
[08:34] <Hobbsee> computer finds it a bit hard to run after a while thouhg
[08:34] <aftertaf> JonasNZ:  /etc/init.d
[08:35] <aftertaf> symlinked to /etc/rc[1-6|S] .d/
[08:36] <dell500> anyone know how to update 1:1.1.4-1ubuntu4.4
[08:36] <Kaiser_away> (16:03:07) aftertaf: kubuntu chan has become a lounge  <- if we all talked in #k-offtopic ther would be no one here ;)
[08:36] <aftertaf> true :)
[08:36] <aftertaf> not a criticism.
[08:36] <aftertaf> just that our gnome brothers/sisters are going lt lightspeed next door.
[08:36] <Kaiser_away> :)
[08:37] <aftertaf> KDE KDE KDE
[08:37] <Kaiser_away> realy?
[08:37] <Kaiser_away> lol. thats why i hang out here :)
[08:37] <aftertaf> dell500:  check your repositories against this....
[08:37] <aftertaf> !repos
[08:37] <ubotu> [sources]  at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[08:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> even though im a gnome user
[08:37] <aftertaf> lol Kamping_Kaiser me too. mor relaxed :)
[08:37] <aftertaf> looooool Kamping_Kaiser 
[08:37] <aftertaf> !start a desktop war
[08:37] <ubotu> blackbox is much better than kde!
[08:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> defintely :)
[08:37] <Hobbsee> definetly true!
[08:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. yep
[08:37] <JonasNZ> aftertaf, and where do i need to add that, i cant find anything related to kde, should i add it to kdm's init.d
[08:37] <dell500> aftertaf, my repos are fine
[08:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl. so much for that war aftertaf ;)
[08:38] <Hobbsee> lounges are much mroe fun
[08:38] <dell500> and i have the latest version for gaim, which is 1:1.1.4-1ubuntu4.4
[08:38] <dell500> doesn't make any sense why it should be crashing then
[08:38] <aftertaf> dell500:  good :)    try apt-get update again..... maybe a pb.
[08:38] <aftertaf> yeah Kamping_Kaiser 
[08:38] <Hobbsee> JonasNZ: sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:38] <aftertaf> JonasNZ:  is it an init file?
[08:38] <Hobbsee> add it in there
[08:38] <Hobbsee> assuming you are tlaking about reps
[08:38] <aftertaf> Hobbsee:  u sure? :D
[08:38] <aftertaf> loooool
[08:38] <Hobbsee> ooh good luck Kamping_Kaiser 
[08:39] <webdwarf> when are the breezy backports going up?
[08:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0?
[08:39] <webdwarf> same time as release?
[08:39] <Hobbsee> perhaps, why do you ask aftertaf?
[08:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> webdwarf: when theres something to backport
[08:39] <JonasNZ> after dont worry i realised what i was doing wrong, its just setting an env var for kde, but its going now
[08:39] <aftertaf> ok cool JonasNZ :)
[08:40] <Hobbsee> ah, doesnt help that i missed some of the lines in the chat
[08:41] <aftertaf> lol
[08:43] <aftertaf> !cigarette
[08:43] <ubotu> It's bad to smoke, but aftertaf needs one all the same...  Here dude, have a light :)
[08:43] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:45] <Hobbsee> !bot
[08:45] <ubotu> I'm a bot, I'm a bot. Set fire to me, I'll get hot. Reply to hobbsee? I think not. Bot, knot, chicken... rhyming sucks.
[08:45] <Hobbsee> rofl...i love that
[08:46] <Hobbsee> !set fire to bot
[08:46] <ubotu> Hobbsee: I don't know, could you explain it?
[08:47] <Hobbsee> hehe sure...*gets out lighter*
[08:48] <fatejudger> lol
[08:49] <damnhil> Do people here speak Englsih?
[08:50] <webdwarf> nope
[08:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[08:50] <webdwarf> we speak English unfortunatley
[08:50] <damnhil> How do I pronounce the name "Caroline"?
[08:50] <webdwarf> heh
[08:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol wtf?
[08:51] <webdwarf> ca (like cat) ro (like row) line (like.. line)
[08:51] <webdwarf> make sense? i didnt think so
[08:51] <Hobbsee> nah, i speak aussie, as in "hey mate"
[08:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: here its more 'car a line' eh ;)
[08:52] <webdwarf> car alarm
[08:52] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:52] <Hobbsee> car alarm yeah
[08:52] <Hobbsee> i would say it the way webdwarf did, but there's a difference in pronounciation between sa and nsw
[08:52] <webdwarf> well im qld :P
[08:53] <webdwarf> ...mate
[08:53] <webdwarf> :P
[08:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[08:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> REDNECK !!!!
[08:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[08:54] <webdwarf> there are no rednecks in australia... just bogans
[08:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> no qld has rednecks, the rest of the place has bogans
[08:55] <Hobbsee> another one!
[08:56] <Hobbsee> what's a bogan?  i've never found out
[08:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[08:56] <webdwarf> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bogan
[08:56] <Hobbsee> !start a browser war
[08:56] <ubotu> mosaic is way better than mozilla !
[08:57] <Hobbsee> !start a browser war
[08:58] <aftertaf> firefox is bloatware
[08:59] <webdwarf> konqueror doesnt know what html is sposed to look like
[08:59] <Hobbsee> ah right...
[08:59] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:59] <webdwarf> and internet explorer... 
[09:00] <Hobbsee> crashes every time you try and close it
[09:00] <webdwarf> that amungst other things
[09:00] <webdwarf> i havent used it for about 2 years now, except when fixing dumb clients computers
[09:00] <webdwarf> but then they get firefox.. and i never need to fix spyware on their computer again
[09:00] <webdwarf> coincidence? i dont think so :P
[09:01] <Hobbsee> yeah, odd that
[09:02] <Hobbsee> mmm...i end up using mostly ie on windows
[09:02] <Hobbsee> then again, most of the current sites i visit there are microsoft update and windows update
[09:02] <webdwarf> haha
[09:03] <webdwarf> do you use ubuntu?
[09:07] <Hobbsee> of course
[09:07] <Hobbsee> XP is currently for games
[09:07] <Hobbsee> and games only
[09:07] <webdwarf> ah k
[09:07] <webdwarf> fair enuf
[09:08] <Hobbsee> seeing as certain games dont play under linux
[09:08] <webdwarf> i will probably end up doing the same so that I can play the next half life when it comes out
[09:08] <Hobbsee> and dreamweaver didnt work that well under dreamweaver
[09:08] <webdwarf> but i hardly ever play games
[09:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> webdwarf: i hardly play games since moving to linux ;)
[09:09] <aftertaf> me too.
[09:09] <Hobbsee> what, you acutally do work instead?
[09:10] <Hobbsee> i can only play ksol for so many hours while installing XP on a friends computer before going mental
[09:10] <webdwarf> friends dont install XP on friends computers
[09:10] <webdwarf> tsk tsk
[09:10] <webdwarf> :P
[09:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: i play gnometris a fair bit, but i dont have time to get games going mostly :(
[09:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[09:14] <Hobbsee> webdwarf: yeah, i wish
[09:14] <Hobbsee> she also plays sims 2
[09:14] <Hobbsee> :( @ Kamping_Kaiser 
[09:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> :O @ Hobbsee
[09:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> :( for me :(
[09:16] <damnhil> What's "Beaners"  From the book, "the tortilla curtain",page62: "Fucking Beaners. Rip it up, man. Destroy it"
[09:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> wtf has that got to do with anything?
[09:17] <webdwarf> thats just weird :P
[09:18] <Hobbsee> what?
[09:19] <Hobbsee> actually, i'm pleased to note that in installing XP on said friend's computer, things "just didnt work" (tm)
[09:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[09:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> funny that :P
[09:21] <Hobbsee> yeah
[09:21] <Hobbsee> monitor screwed up and went all furry, and unreadable
[09:21] <Hobbsee> her hubby spent 3 days trying to fix it, before giving up and going back to 98
[09:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> lmao
[09:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> going back to 98? they must have been desperate
[09:22] <Hobbsee> yeah
[09:22] <Hobbsee> i think they were
[09:35] <fatejudger> beaners are Mexicans
[09:43] <_igor> hello all
[09:45] <_igor> i have problem here
[09:46] <_igor> i installed several program and there's error ini qt, but qt already installed on my kubuntu breezy
[09:46] <_igor> qt-4.0
[09:46] <_igor> Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found
[09:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> are you trying to compile something?
[09:47] <_igor> yup
[09:47] <webdwarf> apt-cache search libqt
[09:47] <webdwarf> see if theres anything there that looks like it might be needed
[09:48] <webdwarf> i would start with libqt4-core if it isnt already installed
[09:48] <webdwarf> and libqt4-dev
[09:48] <_igor> ok i'll try
[09:49] <motyR> libqt3-headers
[09:49] <webdwarf> also libqt3-headers if it needs qt3 things
[09:49] <webdwarf> yeah that :P
[09:49] <Tm_T> apt-get build-dep <packagename> is a good start ;)
[09:49] <_igor> you mean libqt4-qt3support
[09:49] <_igor> ?
[09:49] <Tm_T> no, libqt3-headers
[09:50] <_igor> ok
[09:50] <webdwarf> possibly.. it usually doesnt hurt to install them all.. they're just libs
[09:50] <webdwarf> the more the merrier :P to some extent anyway
[09:52] <asraniel> does someone know where i can find a good tutorial how to install java? i did what was in the ubuntu wiki, but now i hav to set the env variables like $java_home and so
[09:52] <webdwarf> what exactly are u trying to install? java compiler? or just java runtimes?
[09:53] <motyR> try this - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=70428
[09:56] <motyR> deos brezzy is slower than hoary, or what?
[09:57] <Tm_T> faster
[09:57] <asraniel> motyR: doesent work, there is now java command after that, and no javac too
[09:58] <motyR> asraniel: just fallaw the steps , works on my side
[09:58] <_igor> hi again
[09:59] <motyR> Tm_T: well i get the fealing that every thhing is slower on breezy:(
[09:59] <_igor> it's not working-->checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0 and < 4.0) not found.
[10:00] <asraniel> motyR: did that.. well.. hmm.. perhaps it will work better with classpath + jamvm
[10:00] <motyR> have u install both jdk and jre?
[10:00] <_igor> i tried apt-get libqt3-headers, libqt4-dev and core
[10:00] <_igor> still not work
[10:02] <Tm_T> _igor: what you'er compiling?
[10:02] <asraniel> motyR: first i tried the jdk, didnt work, then unistalled it and tried the jre, didnt work. the thing is, its installed, but if i type java, gcj is called and not the sun jre
[10:04] <motyR> asraniel: well i have tham both on my system
 _igor: what you'er compiling? kiptablesgenerator
[10:06] <_igor> from kde-apps
[10:06] <asraniel> motyR: i will try to unistall gcj, perhaps then it works, but i doubt. i think the problem is that java_home is not set, so linux doesent know where to search for the java bin
[10:06] <_igor> not only kiptablesgenerator, other program have same problem
[10:09] <Tm_T> _igor: ah, how about trying "apt-get build-dep kde-network"
[10:09] <_igor> ok i'll try
[10:10] <_igor> You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
[10:11] <_igor> do i must change in /apt/source.list?
[10:13] <Tm_T> you can
[10:14] <Tm_T> it might help :)
[10:15] <_igor> ok
[10:16] <JonasNZ> breezy backports doesnt exist yet does it? W: Couldn't stat source package list http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/nz.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:19] <Tm_T> JonasNZ: breezy hasn't released yet, so no backports yet
[10:19] <asraniel> motyR: works now, had do uninstall gcj
[10:21] <JonasNZ> Tm_T, thats what i thought
[10:21] <Tm_T> JonasNZ: backports are "addition to release"
[10:22] <aftertaf> breezy not being released yet..... ;)
[10:23] <JonasNZ> hehe, no need to rub it in, this is the first time ive used a deb based repo system
[10:23] <Lupin__III> hi all. i've a big problem. kmail doesn't work anymore with gpg
[10:23] <Lupin__III> until last week, worked fine, now not at all
[10:24] <Lupin__III> i've followed, this howto:
[10:24] <Lupin__III> http://kmail.kde.org/kmail-pgpmime-howto.html
[10:24] <Lupin__III> tryed several times
[10:25] <Lupin__III> aegypten works, user-agent, works
[10:25] <Lupin__III> no integration with kmail
[10:25] <Lupin__III> GpgME backend entry for OpenPGP is greyed out
[10:26] <Lupin__III> if try to rescan it says that gpgme i sompiled without support for openpgp
[10:26] <_igor> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[10:26] <_igor> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[10:27] <Lupin__III> going to check
[10:27] <_igor> still eror Tm_T
[10:28] <Tm_T> _igor: prefix...
[10:28] <Tm_T> ./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix`
[10:28] <_igor> i'm still not understand about it, i'm new in linux
[10:30] <asraniel> i have one big problem with kubuntu.. i have two soundcards, how can i tell alsa to use the second one as the default one? i could only change it in arts
[10:34] <amu> Lupin__III: do you check the buildlogs ? 
[10:35] <Lupin__III> well, first time i've set it up, i've compiled nothing
[10:35] <Lupin__III> and worked like a charm
[10:36] <amu> Lupin__III: do you use the breezy packages ? 
[10:36] <Lupin__III> yep
[10:36] <amu> and no gpg support ? 
[10:36] <Lupin__III> no in kmail
[10:36] <Lupin__III> pinentry works well
[10:37] <Lupin__III> echo "test" | gpg -ase -r 0xDEADBEEF | gpg
[10:37] <Lupin__III> works
[10:37] <Lupin__III> i can't integrate with kmail
[10:37] <amu> you mean, kmail in combination with gpg doesnt work? 
[10:37] <Lupin__III> yes
[10:38] <Lupin__III> GpgME backend entry for OpenPGP is greyed out
[10:38] <amu> what doesnt not work, signing a key, verify or crypt/encrypt? 
[10:38] <amu> doesnt/does
[10:38] <Lupin__III> i cant do anithing with gpg in kmail
[10:39] <Lupin__III> also setup an identity to use a sign
[10:39] <amu> gpg-agent is running? 
[10:39] <Lupin__III> yes
[10:39] <Lupin__III> http://kmail.kde.org/kmail-pgpmime-howto.html
[10:39] <amu> letme check, that's very very important :) 
[10:39] <Lupin__III> i've followed this howto
[10:40] <amu> :D
[10:40] <Lupin__III> it works very well untill "Check it Works in KMail"
[10:40] <amu> takes a bit, i just installed breezy on my desk
[10:40] <Lupin__III> from this point, no lock
[10:40] <Lupin__III> luck
[10:41] <Lupin__III> i've tried to recompile as said in the howto
[10:41] <Lupin__III> no error
[10:42] <Lupin__III> gpg-agent and pinentry keep workin well. non integration with kmail
[10:43] <Lupin__III> i've also tried to downgrade some packages, like gnupg, kleopatra, libgpgme ecc.
[10:43] <Lupin__III> still same result
[10:49] <Lupin__III> crypto backend is broken
[10:49] <Lupin__III> i guess
[10:51] <Lupin__III> do you think libcrypto++ has to be installed, amu?
[10:53] <Cueball|Work> Hiya all. How can I upgrade my KDE?
[10:53] <Lupin__III> listen
[10:54] <Lupin__III> scdaemon[14995] : NOTE: this is a development version!
[10:54] <Lupin__III> gpgconf: warning: can not open config file /home/lupin/.gnupg/scdaemon.conf: No such file or directory
[10:54] <Lupin__III> dirmngr[14998] : error opening `/home/lupin/.gnupg/dirmngr_ldapservers.conf': No such file or directory
[10:54] <Lupin__III> gpgconf: warning: can not open list file /home/lupin/.gnupg/dirmngr_ldapservers.conf: No such file or directory
[10:54] <Lupin__III> gpgsm: NOTE: THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT VERSION!
[10:54] <Lupin__III> gpgsm: It is only intended for test purposes and should NOT be
[10:54] <Lupin__III> gpgsm: used in a production environment or with production keys!
[10:54] <Lupin__III> gpgconf: warning: can not open config file /home/lupin/.gnupg/gpgsm.conf: No such file or directory
[10:54] <Lupin__III> ASSERT: "0" in /build/buildd/kdepim-3.4.3/./kmail/kmreaderwin.cpp (1098)
[10:54] <Lupin__III> that is if i run kmail fron console
[10:55] <Cueball|Work> I'm using Ububtu with KDE package.
[11:00] <Lupin__III> amu: some hints?
[11:00] <amu> Lupin__III: just setting it up ... first problem by default there isnt any agant installed 
[11:00] <amu> *agent 
[11:00] <Lupin__III> uh
[11:01] <Lupin__III> ok, in the meantime try to google a bit
[11:01] <Lupin__III> in search of enlightment ;-)
[11:03] <amu> check the buildlogs, there you can see if openpgp is supported or not 
[11:04] <amu> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/k/kdepim/4:3.4.3-0ubuntu2/
[11:07] <amu> Lupin__III: it's a buildproblem
[11:07] <Lupin__III> build problem?
[11:08] <Lupin__III> first time, i've compiled nothing
[11:08] <Lupin__III> and worked
[11:08] <amu> while building the package(s) some builddeps are missing 
[11:08] <amu> *** Could not find GnuPG, install GnuPG or use --with-gpg=PATH to enable it
[11:08] <amu> tell me the buildlog 
[11:09] <Lupin__III> i've followed the howto, right?
[11:09] <Lupin__III> you, i mean
[11:11] <Lupin__III> so, the problem results also in the deb binaries, right?
[11:11] <Lupin__III> compiling what the ubildlog says to you "*** Could not find GnuPG, install GnuPG or use --with-gpg=PATH to enable it"
[11:12] <Lupin__III> ?
[11:12] <Telex4> Ahoy, I've just upgraded from hoary -> breezy on a new install, and now I have two odd problems: konsole won't open a session (so I'm stuck with xterm) and every time I use kdesu it gives me that error "The program 'su' is not found; make sure your PATH is set correctly"... I've tried moving my .bash* files but that didn't help :/
[11:14] <amu> the problem exist in the binaries als well in the source packages.
[11:15] <amu> the fix is easy ( debian/control ) if the api isnt changed with 3.4.3
[11:15] <Lupin__III> could you fix it?
[11:16] <Lupin__III> exactly what package has this problem? gnupg?
[11:17] <Lupin__III> Telex4: try to reinstall kdebase-bin
[11:18] <amu> i've to ask Riddell, what he did, and why he removed the builddepends
[11:18] <Lupin__III> ok
[11:18] <amu> Lupin__III: the excat problem, are the builddepends of kdepim 
[11:19] <Lupin__III> trying to downgrade kdepim?
[11:20] <Lupin__III> that's very strange
[11:20] <amu> if kdepim isnt compiled with gpg support, it will never work correctly. kdepim has it's own gpg function, you can verify with them signature, more isnt possible ( like crypt / encrypt gpg crypted messages ) 
[11:20] <Lupin__III> but i've not kdepim...
[11:20] <Lupin__III> installed
[11:21] <amu> ... finally smaine isnt supported by ubuntu :) therefore you have to compile/modify the packages for yourself  
[11:21] <Telex4> Lupin__III: ok, I'll give it a go
[11:21] <amu> kdepim is the metapackage 
[11:21] <amu> that includes ex. kmail
[11:22] <Lupin__III> can you suggest me something to workaround until it's fixed?
[11:24] <Ben1984> How do I kill processes?
[11:24] <amu> no way, if you use the debpackage, you need the missing builddepends, than a recompile and you get a new set of packages 
[11:24] <Cueball|Work> Ben1984, Do you have the window of the program up?
[11:25] <Cueball|Work> If so you can press Ctrl-Alt-Esc and you get a kill cursor. Just click on the window
[11:25] <Ben1984> it's Adept...i stopped it in the middle of Committing Changes and closed the window; seems th eprocess is still running
[11:25] <Telex4> Lupin__III: nope, didn't work
[11:25] <Ben1984> It says I have Insufficient Permissions
[11:26] <Lupin__III> amu: thanks a lot
[11:26] <Cueball|Work> If you need to kill another you can find out it's pid and kill it from the console by typing  kill -9 <pid>
[11:26] <Cueball|Work> Ben1984, You probably need to be root to kill it then
[11:26] <Lupin__III> Telex4: kdesu or konsole
[11:26] <Lupin__III> ?
[11:26] <Telex4> Lupin__III: neither
[11:26] <Ben1984> so sudo kill -9?
[11:27] <amu> Lupin__III: just tell it Riddell, that kdepim is broken, unfortunately i've no time at the moment for it 
[11:27] <Ben1984> got it
[11:27] <Ben1984> thanks
[11:27] <Cueball|Work> Ben1984, Yeah but you need to add the program's pid to the end
[11:27] <Ben1984> i know
[11:27] <Ben1984> whats the -9 for?
[11:27] <Lupin__III> amu: many thanks
[11:27] <Telex4> Lupin__III: when I run konsole from an xterm it spits out "kdecore (KProcess): WARNING: Can't open a pseudo teletyp"
[11:29] <Lupin__III> Telex4: have you tryed to dist-upgrade?
[11:29] <Telex4> Lupin__III: that's what I just performed :/
[11:30] <Ben1984> whats the best IRC app?
[11:30] <Telex4> Lupin__III: I just tried sudo konsole, and that worked fine!
[11:33] <nikkia> Ben1984: most people that try a recent (ie, not the 2.something in the repos.) version of kvirc never look back :)
[11:33] <nikkia> unless....
[11:33] <nikkia> !info kvirc breezy
[11:33] <ubotu> kvirc: (Fully scriptable graphical IRC client with plugin support), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 2:2.1.3.1-2ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 1365 kB, Installed size: 4064 kB
[11:34] <nikkia> nope, still a waaaay old version
[11:34] <Lupin__III> kopete works fine
[11:35] <bdmp> lupin__III: Do you live in Japan?
[11:35] <bdmp> Just curious
[11:35] <Ben1984> thanks Nikkia
[11:40] <aftertaf> enlightenment is better that everything
[11:40] <aftertaf>  :)
[11:42] <buz> top says 1min load is in excess of 6 but cpu is 70% idle like forever?
[11:44] <Ben1984-2> Nikkia?
[11:45] <nikkia> Ben1984-2: yes?
[11:45] <Ben1984-2> How do i emote someone?
[11:45] <nikkia> Ben1984-2: i have no idea what that means...
[11:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> message iirc
[11:46] <Ben1984-2> like do you type my name before you speak
[11:46] <morrow> hmmm.. any reason why /usr/X11R6/lib is not in ld.so.conf after installing Breezy RC?
[11:46] <Ben1984-2> or is there someone to automatically do it?
[11:46] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: well, its a mix of terminology, emote normally means /me
[11:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah ok.
[11:47] <nikkia> Ben1984-2: i type 'ben' then hit tab, it fills in the rest
[11:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> Ben1984-2: i have to hit ben1, because theres a ben_ ;)
[11:47] <Ben1984-2> oh ok
[11:47] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: the only logical meaning of 'emote somebody' really, would be use of /me in messages, which is actually non-standard, although almost all clients support it :)
[11:47] <Ben1984-2> Kamping_Kaiser: testing
[11:47] <Ben1984-2> :P
[11:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) yep
[11:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[11:48] <znh> Hail to the king, babies!
[11:50] <cyne> anyone had luck with nvidia-glx yet?
[11:51] <znh> yeah it's a friggin working driver.. :] ] 
[11:52] <cyne> znh, since when?
[11:52] <rodrigo> What you guys use: Gnome or KDE?
[11:52] <znh> cyne, since I exist
[11:52] <cyne> rodrigo: KDE
[11:52] <cyne> znh: ok then, but what about the driver
[11:52] <rodrigo> me 2
[11:53] <aftertaf> any ops about?
[11:53] <znh> rodrigo, are you aware that this channel is for kubuntu :p
[11:53] <rodrigo> lol
[11:53] <rodrigo> I thought I was in ubuntu
[11:53] <cyne> znh: do you use it?
[11:53] <znh> cyne, currently; no
[11:53] <Ben1984-2> hmmm
[11:54] <rodrigo> znh:   Actually,  I am running an ubuntu dist and I just downloaded kde and erased gnome (I hope)
[11:55] <znh> rodrigo, okay.. 90% of this channel uses KDE :)
[11:55] <rodrigo> znh, do u use Synaptic?
[11:55] <znh> rodrigo, no; I hate that
[11:56] <jpatrick> rodrigo: Adept rocks
[11:56] <rodrigo> znh, Why?
[11:56] <rodrigo> znh, I like it.
[11:56] <aftertaf> !ops
[11:56] <ubotu> methinks ops is Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, and Nalioth
[11:56] <znh> rodrigo, I prefer commandline applications, they are way faster and more straight
[11:56] <Cueball|Work> hey all. I'd like to upgrade to a later version of KDE >= 3.4.2
[11:57] <aftertaf> get kde 3.5 beta
[11:57] <rodrigo> znh, aptitude is great 
[11:57] <znh> aftertaf, you can also do that in a query
[11:57] <Cueball|Work> What do I need to add to sources.list?
[11:57] <znh> rodrigo, so is apt-get
[11:57] <aftertaf> znh:  do whatin a query?
[11:57] <znh> aftertaf, !ops
[11:57] <aftertaf> i did....
[11:57] <znh> not really, but whocares :)
[11:58] <guillem> hi
[11:58] <aftertaf> nm
[11:58] <guillem> one question?
[11:58] <jpatrick> guillem: fire away
[11:59] <rodrigo> znh, But aptitude doesn't run well in a X Shell.
[11:59] <guillem> there's no x-window-system in kubunt?
[11:59] <znh> rodrigo, aptitude is just a front-end for apt-get, why should you use it :b
[11:59] <znh> I am off for a poo
[12:00] <rodrigo> I wish I could run Warcraft III on my kubuntu
[12:01] <steve_don> you can with cedega
[12:01] <rodrigo> I ve tried it once. But it didn't work 
[12:01] <steve_don> what went wrong ?
[12:01] <steve_don> ive had it working ok in the past
[12:01] <rodrigo> It froze in the opening screen
[12:02] <rodrigo> Another problem is that I wouldn't be able to play bnet games
[12:02] <steve_don> did you check on the cedega forums there are a few config settings you need to change
[12:02] <rodrigo> I didn't go that futher
[12:03] <rodrigo> I have fun playing on bnet. No-CD cracks 
[12:03] <rodrigo> don't let you, I guess. They work for older versions
[12:03] <rodrigo> warcraft is version 1.20
[12:04] <Ben1984> where do i get ATi drivers for Kubuntu at?
[12:04] <Cueball|Work> aftertaf, What do I need in the sources.list to get kde 3.5 beta?
[12:04] <aftertaf> er... hang on :)
[12:04] <rodrigo> Do you guys ever programmed Visual Basic Macros on Exvel?
[12:05] <Ben1984> !ati
[12:05] <ubotu> hmm... ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10&highlight=fglrx
[12:05] <aftertaf> deb http://kubuntu.org/kde35beta1 breezy main
[12:06] <rodrigo> bye, everyone. Thanks!
[12:06] <`Nomad> Exvel?
[12:06] <rodrigo> lol
[12:07] <rodrigo> M$ Excel
[12:07] <`Nomad> mix of Excel and vi ?  :)
[12:07] <`Nomad> ok
[12:07] <rodrigo> lol
[12:08] <`Nomad> rodrigo: There's probably a channel fo rthat on freenode
[12:08] <rodrigo> I ll try later
[12:09] <rodrigo> good day, folks!
[12:09] <`Nomad> ok, have a good day
[12:09] <rodrigo> ubuntu!
[12:10] <Cueball|Work> Cheers aftertaf 
[12:12] <Cueball|Work> aftertaf, Do I need to be breezy for that?
[12:13] <aftertaf> yes, or change to hoary..... in the deb line.    
[12:13] <Ben1984> !deb
[12:13] <ubotu> Ben1984: What?
[12:13] <Ben1984> !install
[12:13] <ubotu> I guess install is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation
[12:13] <aftertaf> there was a link in the topic before but it has gone.
[12:13] <Cueball|Work> aftertaf, How stable is it cos this is my works machine and I need it to work
[12:13] <Ben1984> how do i install a .deb file?
[12:13] <Cueball|Work> Ben1984, dpkg --install filename.deb
[12:14] <aftertaf> breezy is very stable IMHO now
[12:14] <aftertaf> kde3.5 works fine too.... there is a bug on install you get around with dpkg, 
[12:14] <aftertaf> if you prefer to wait, wait. no pressure from me to upgrade ;)
[12:14] <aftertaf> anyhow, i'm off for foodage ;)
[12:15] <Ben1984> dpkg: error processing skype (--install):
[12:15] <Ben1984>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[12:15] <Ben1984> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:15] <Ben1984>  skype
[12:15] <Cueball|Work> Hmm. Ok I'll definatly try it at home but I best stick to hoary in work. But I do need a newer KDE release than KDE 3.4.0 as Kopete is buggy in this version
[12:15] <Ben1984> didnt work
[12:16] <Ben1984>  skype depends on libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3.2); however:
[12:16] <Ben1984>   Package libqt3c102-mt is not installed.
[12:16] <aftertaf> broken package
[12:16] <aftertaf> seveas has a version without that dependance
[12:17] <aftertaf> Cueball|Work:  3.4.2....
[12:17] <aftertaf> its in breezy.
[12:17] <Ben1984> seveas?
[12:17] <aftertaf> kde in breezy seems fine, seriously. gnomegets a bit messy for some., but kde is better anyway :)
[12:17] <Cueball|Work> deb http://kubuntu.org/kde342 breezy main <--- By any chance?
[12:17] <coruja> what about kde 3.4.3?
[12:18] <aftertaf> Cueball|Work:  yep ;)
[12:18] <Cueball|Work> 3.4.3 will do  if it's avail too :)
[12:18] <aftertaf> 3.4.3 is in breezy i think. and 3.5 beta is getting ready for release, only core packages for now.... not in breezy yet
[12:18] <coruja> yes, it's in breezy
[12:19] <coruja> i'm running it after updates yesterday/today
[12:19] <Ben1984> !seveas
[12:19] <ubotu> Ben1984: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[12:20] <Ben1984> Wow..even the bot is a complete a$$hole....
[12:20] <Cueball|Work> coruja, What dir is 3.4.3 in?
[12:20] <Cueball|Work> LoL Ben1984
[12:21] <coruja> Cueball|Work: dir? it's in the breezy repos, basically in main
[12:22] <coruja> i don't know if it's also available for hoary
[12:26] <Cueball|Work> Ok
[12:27] <afd_> hi! I'm using breezy. How should I go about installing kde 3.5?
[12:27] <buz> !kde35
[12:27] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, buz
[12:28] <afd_> !list
[12:28] <ubotu> well, list is you can see a list of things I know at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[12:28] <steve_don> add this to your sources list  deb http://kubuntu.org/kde35beta1 breezy main
[12:28] <steve_don> I just tried it and it worked fine
[12:28] <afd_> steve_don, thanks, I'll try
[12:29] <steve_don> if you get a problem with the pgp key when you update have a look at this http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-8763.html
[12:29] <steve_don> the instructions in there will get you moving
[12:30] <Ben1984> how do i access my sources.list
[12:30] <steve_don> sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list if you want to edit it
[12:30] <jpatrick> Ben1984: kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:33] <afd_> I have breeze + kde 3.4.2 and in konqueror I only have "Ubuntu web" view profile. Any idea how to create a new profile? I didn't see anything obvious
[12:33] <Ben1984> ...and they said this was easier than windows...
[12:34] <afd_> ok, I found it. But no "load profile" option...
[12:36] <afd_> nevermind me :) I've added to the toolbar by hand. I may not have installed kde properly, with all the packages, or something
[12:44] <Ben1984> !ati
[12:44] <ubotu> rumour has it, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10&highlight=fglrx
[12:45] <Ben1984> yay, i got my ATI card installed
[12:46] <Kaiser_away> freeks sake :\ this mirror is getting bigger by the minute. its already 800M bigger tehn i thought it was
[12:53] <Ben1984> Why do I have to type a password  in for programs everytime i restart the computer?
[12:53] <Ben1984> !bootloader
[12:53] <ubotu> Ben1984: Syntax error in line 1
[12:53] <Ben1984> !boot
[12:53] <ubotu> Ben1984: I don't know, could you explain it?
[12:53] <Ben1984> whatever
[12:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> Ben1984: what programs?
[12:53] <aftertaf> Ben1984:  depends what.. run bu sudo?
[12:55] <Ben1984> Adept
[12:56] <Ben1984> i check "Kepp password" but it asks me every time for it
[12:57] <mornfall> that's not my fault (tm)
[12:58] <aftertaf> Ben1984:  keep password doent work after reboots.
[12:58] <CzarAlex> The kalarm thingy always boots up even after i uncheck the box stating to do so. How can I remove this?
[01:00] <CzarAlex> and how can I get the update notification icon to appear when I have updates? I just manually checked and I had 99 updates. :(
[01:00] <Ben1984> LOL
[01:00] <Ben1984> i had 170+
[01:01] <Ben1984> dont feel bad
[01:01] <CzarAlex> heh is there a way to make it appear like it does in gnome?
[01:01] <aftertaf> CzarAlex:  yes, run gnome.... ;)
[01:01] <Ben1984> i dunno....i'm a newbie
[01:01] <CzarAlex> aftertaf, no notification in KDE?
[01:01] <aftertaf> never tried, i just run it myself from time to time.
[01:02] <Ben1984> any audio sound enhancers?
[01:02] <Ben1984> like DFX?
[01:04] <CzarAlex> how about the korganizer thing that pops up when i start the comp?
[01:07] <aftertaf> disable it... if you dont use it.
[01:07] <aftertaf> the alarm demon runs cos of that.
[01:07] <CzarAlex> i uncheck the box. yet it appears each time i restart
[01:08] <aftertaf> hehe
[01:08] <Ben1984> !audio
[01:08] <ubotu> Ben1984: I don't know
[01:09] <CzarAlex> aftertaf, sounds like a permission problem but how do I either 1)run a sudo command from the terminal to disable it or 2)within KDE, act as SU
[01:10] <aftertaf> CzarAlex:  open the app and search around, you might find a 'dont start on boot' option
[01:11] <CzarAlex> aftertaf, I found on just by right clicking on the tray icon, but even after i unchecked it, it still ran. Happens every day now. Lemme see what inside the program
[01:11] <aftertaf> might be sth there...... in config
[01:12] <CzarAlex> ok lemme try now. brb
[01:12] <Ben1984> What's a good Audio app?
[01:13] <asraniel> ben 1984: amarok of course
[01:14] <Ben1984> im not liking it
[01:15] <Ben1984> lol
[01:16] <sub> hi, I'm new to kubuntu, can anyone tell me how to install koffice?
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> sub: using kubuntu hoary?
[01:18] <sub> Kamping_Kaiser, yes
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> theres a tool called 'kynaptic'. search koffice there, and you can install through kynaptic
[01:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb Hobbsee
[01:20] <Hobbsee> ty Kamping_Kaiser 
[01:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[01:20] <sub> it doesnt appear to be listet in kynaptic :(
[01:21] <Hobbsee> still figuring out whether to stick 98 or XP on the gaming partition, as neither would be connected to th net
[01:21] <aftertaf> sub:  install adet
[01:21] <Hobbsee> what's this, sub?  what are you looking for?
[01:21] <Riddell> sub: it's in universe
[01:21] <aftertaf> *adept
[01:21] <Riddell> sub: you either need to edit /etc/apt/sourses.list for universe, or wait 24 hours for breezy and install that then install koffice (which is in main in breezy)
[01:21] <sub> Hobbsee, trying to install koffice for hoary
[01:22] <Ben1984> is koffice better than openoffice?
[01:22] <Hobbsee> sub: ah...
[01:22] <Hobbsee> Ben1984: from what i hear, it's faster, but doesnt have as many features
[01:22] <Hobbsee> it's probably a matter of personal taste, as well
[01:22] <Riddell> sub: http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-142.php
[01:23] <sub> I already saw that Riddell 
[01:23] <sub> but don't know what to do now :)
[01:23] <Hobbsee> add those to your sources list
[01:24] <Hobbsee> ie sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:24] <Riddell> sub: hoary doesn't have a GUI way to edit /etc/apt/sources.list, you need to go to /etc/apt in konqueror, right click sources.list and choose Edit as Root
[01:24] <Hobbsee> can you add all, or just one?
[01:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: don't use sudo with KDE programs!
[01:24] <Riddell> use kdesu
[01:24] <Hobbsee> kdesu then
[01:24] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:24] <Hobbsee> i've never understood why not though
[01:24] <jpatrick> it's safer
[01:25] <Hobbsee> safer?  how?  *is confused*
[01:25] <Hobbsee> or should i clearly not ask
[01:25] <sub> What do I have to edit in sources.list?
[01:25] <sub> doesnt debian/ubuntu have one single package tree?
[01:25] <jpatrick> add the deb source
[01:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: using sudo in gui can overwrite files as root you dont want root to won
[01:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> iirc
[01:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> *own
[01:26] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[01:26] <Hobbsee> but...the only reason i do go in to, say konqueror, is precisely to edit the files that are owned by root!  otherwise, i'd do it under my normal account
[01:29] <Ben1984> How do i remove the taskbar elemnt for Amarok
[01:30] <Hobbsee> mmm...i see...so something about the environment not being set up correctly when using sudo
[01:31] <Hobbsee> Ben1984: settings, configure amarok, show tray icon box
[01:31] <Hobbsee> and the assorted options off there, like it flashing
[01:32] <aftertaf> or turning the damn thing off.
[01:32] <Ben1984> no
[01:32] <cyne> how do i restart x without rebooting?
[01:33] <Ben1984> thats not what i meant
[01:33] <Ben1984> i want the tray icon
[01:33] <steve_don> cyne: you can use ctrl+alt+backspace
[01:33] <aftertaf> cyne CTL ALT BACKSPACE
[01:33] <Ben1984> not the bar
[01:33] <cyne> ok
[01:33] <aftertaf> seemed to work :)
[01:33] <Hobbsee> you can close the program from the taskbar, and it will still sit in the tray
[01:33] <Ben1984> so when i minimize it dissappears from the bar
[01:34] <Ben1984> oh
[01:34] <Ben1984> got it
[01:34] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:34] <Ben1984> thanks :)
[01:34] <Hobbsee> it's very neat that
[01:37] <Ben1984> my printer still doesnt work
[01:37] <aftertaf> Ben1984:  arf!
[01:37] <Hobbsee> arf?
[01:38] <Ben1984> yeah, havent found the driver yet
[01:39] <aftertaf> http://www.linuxprinting.org/
[01:39] <aftertaf> working today.
[01:39] <aftertaf> e17 rox
[01:41] <aftertaf> Ben1984:  was it kyocera or lexmark, the equivalent?
[01:41] <Hobbsee> hmmm...you've reminded me that i ought to try and get my printer working
[01:42] <Hobbsee> http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_500 - it says it works perfectly, kde printing wizard has never been able to detect it...
[01:42] <Sonny> Hello.
[01:42] <Hobbsee> hi
[01:43] <Sonny> quick question  >>
[01:43] <Ben1984> Lexmark is the equivalent
[01:43] <Hobbsee> shoot
[01:43] <Ben1984> it's a DELL AIO 940
[01:43] <Sonny> i just downloaded kubuntu iso on cd, is its OK to instal that on my pc or should I wait for the offical release which is tomorrow..   
[01:44] <Ben1984> http://www.zdnet.com.au/shared/images/products/della940_200x150.jpg
[01:44] <Ben1984> thats what it looks like
[01:44] <Hobbsee> you can install it now, and update it with the adept update manager, you dont have to get another cd of it
[01:44] <aftertaf> http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=2074&sort=8&cat=myprod&page=1
[01:44] <aftertaf> not exactly same, but worth a try
[01:45] <Sonny> hello hobbsee,, thanks for responce.. I will install it later this evening..
[01:45] <Hobbsee> no problems
[01:47] <Ben1984> hmmm i chose a close lexmark driver and the printer did something
[01:47] <Ben1984> but stoppe.d..lol
[01:47] <Hobbsee> why oh why does the kde printing wizard default all printers to be using US letter, and not A4?  I thought A4 was the standard
[01:48] <Ben1984> i need to follow directions
[01:48] <Ben1984> i think i hit close before it was done testing
[01:49] <Ben1984> now it doesnt do anything
[01:49] <cyne> how do i tell what version of XORG i have?
[01:49] <cyne> i'm trying to turn on translucency in the window behaviours
[01:49] <cyne> but x is complaining
[01:50] <cyne> it says i must have >= XOrg 6.8
[01:51] <cyne> oh there we go sudo X -version returns 6.8.2
[01:52] <aftertaf> Ben1984:  try again, with another lex driver .... ;)
[01:52] <cyne> here i go again 
[01:53] <Hobbsee> in kde print wizard, why is there suddenly an option for hp:/no_device_found as a place for the printer to be
[01:53] <Hobbsee> does it work?
[01:55] <Ben1984> how do you restart x?
[01:55] <Hobbsee> ctrl + alt + backspace
[01:55] <aftertaf> tried Lexmark X5150,
[01:56] <Ben1984> oops
[01:56] <aftertaf> CTL ALT backspace
[01:56] <Ben1984> i did ctl alt esc
[01:56] <Ben1984> and something happened
[01:56] <Ben1984> i got skelton bones
[01:56] <Ben1984> and my taskbar dissappeared
[01:57] <Hobbsee> alt+f2, type kicker
[01:57] <aftertaf> lol
[01:57] <aftertaf> too late
[01:57] <Hobbsee> ah, yes, so it is
[01:57] <Hobbsee> lol
[01:57] <Hobbsee> good old xkill :P
[01:57] <aftertaf> lol
[01:57] <Hobbsee> Ben1984: alt+f2, type kicker would have fixed it
[01:58] <aftertaf> Hobbsee:  laptop is at 46?
[01:58] <Hobbsee> as in, yours is?
[01:58] <Hobbsee> very low temp for a laptop, compared to mine at least
[01:58] <aftertaf> yep.    with e i see sensors info :)
[01:58] <Hobbsee> mine generally starts at 45 or so, usually 50, and stays at around 65-70 C
[01:58] <Hobbsee> :P finally...yay!
[01:58] <aftertaf> had it propped on a cd box, for air. seeing if it gets hotter now without
[01:59] <aftertaf> with e, not with kde though :/
[01:59] <Ben1984> im gonna restart all the way
[01:59] <aftertaf> lol
[01:59] <Hobbsee> how do i see what devices are connected to this laptop, in particular, parallel port
[02:00] <aftertaf> that, i dont knwo..... :/
[02:00] <Hobbsee> mmm...wish you did
[02:00] <aftertaf> hehe
[02:00] <Hobbsee> that would tell me if kde wasnt detecting my printer, or if the entire linux isnt detecting my printer
[02:00] <aftertaf> off to get coffee and read E17 ser guide
[02:01] <aftertaf> lsmod for parport module (i think)
[02:01] <Hobbsee> you're reading a user guide?  shame on you! :P
[02:01] <aftertaf> see if parallel port is loaded
[02:01] <aftertaf> loooool;)   you seen enlightenment WM ?
[02:01] <Hobbsee> parport                32072  2 parport_pc,lp
[02:01] <aftertaf> www.get-e.org
[02:01] <Hobbsee> nope
[02:01] <aftertaf> lp
[02:01] <aftertaf> see the "lp" bit.
[02:01] <Hobbsee> does that mean the printer loaded?
[02:01] <Hobbsee> yep
[02:02] <aftertaf> line printer module loaded.   so linux sees your printer i think
[02:02] <Hobbsee> mmm...then why does kde printing manager not see it?
[02:02] <Hobbsee> printing manager, that is
[02:02] <Sonny> does anybody know a good link or advice in how to set up my Hauppauge WinTV-Nova-t PCI Freeview Receiver, been looking around on google but not getting much information.
[02:03] <Hobbsee> is there any way i can add a printer via the terminal?
[02:03] <aftertaf> try lp text in console
[02:03] <aftertaf> hehehe we thought at the same time ;)
[02:03] <aftertaf> lp (LP)
[02:03] <Hobbsee> with (LP) being what?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~$ lp (LP)
[02:03] <Hobbsee> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `LP'
[02:04] <aftertaf> capitals :)
[02:04] <aftertaf> lp
[02:04] <Hobbsee> the model of laser printer?
[02:04] <aftertaf> lp textfile
[02:04] <aftertaf> line printer, it means
[02:04] <Ben1984> ugh
[02:04] <Hobbsee> so what am i supposed to type lol?  i'm lost here
[02:04] <aftertaf> the command is "  hobbsee@yourPC$ lp anytextfile
[02:04] <aftertaf> "
[02:05] <aftertaf> lp /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:05] <Hobbsee> ah...which prints the sources.list?
[02:05] <aftertaf> hehe
[02:05] <Hobbsee> it's sending it to the study printer, i want it to go to the one above my desk done connected via parallel port!
[02:06] <aftertaf> yep.
[02:06] <aftertaf> i need that coffee though..... :)
[02:06] <aftertaf> lol.
[02:06] <Hobbsee> ok, go grab the coffee, then you can help me
[02:06] <Hobbsee> the study one detects without a problem, and works beautifully...but i want this one to work!
[02:06] <aftertaf> i dont know. 2nd time i my life ive printed with linux
[02:06] <aftertaf> is it installed in CUPS?
[02:06] <Hobbsee> how do i tell?
[02:06] <aftertaf> open CUPS and look ;P
[02:06] <Hobbsee> as you can see, i'm not great with printers in linux
[02:07] <aftertaf> you'll see it.
[02:07] <Hobbsee> how do i open CUPS lol?
[02:08] <steve_don> try http://localhost:631/admin from a browser
[02:08] <aftertaf> system menu>periphs
[02:08] <Hobbsee> no periphs menu...
[02:09] <aftertaf> Administrative commands are disabled in the web interface for security reasons. Please use the GNOME CUPS manager (System > Administration > Printing).
[02:09] <aftertaf> nice tip though :)
[02:09] <Hobbsee> and the username and password would be?  that's what i thought
[02:09] <Hobbsee> and i dont have gnome
[02:09] <aftertaf> Hobbsee:  im not on kde so i cant remember where...
[02:09] <aftertaf> Control center> hardware?
[02:09] <aftertaf> its in there somewhere...
[02:09] <Hobbsee> ah...i see
[02:10] <Hobbsee> looks like CUPS wasnt even running
[02:10] <aftertaf> oki.
[02:10] <Hobbsee> which raises the interesting question of hwo i could print to a windows printer
[02:10] <aftertaf> like i said, not an expert on this.....
[02:10] <aftertaf> good point :)
[02:10] <aftertaf> spoooky
[02:11] <Hobbsee> Unable to retrieve the printer list. Error message received from manager:
[02:11] <Hobbsee> Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running. Error: connection refused.
[02:11] <Hobbsee> when attempting to configure CUPS
[02:11] <thoreauputic> IIRC you can enable the web interface for cups by adding the cupsys user to the shadow group or something like that
[02:11] <Hobbsee> and CUPS definetly isnt currently running, due to another error message when i try and restart
[02:12] <steve_don> try /etc/init.d/cupsys start to get it going
[02:13] <Hobbsee> ah...that's started CUPS at leats
[02:13] <Hobbsee> *least
[02:14] <Hobbsee> Unable to restart print server. Error message received from manager:
[02:14] <Hobbsee> Unable to find a running CUPS server
[02:15] <Ben1984> localhost:631
[02:21] <Ben1984> how do i get passed this CUPS password thingy?
[02:21] <Ben1984> This is getting on my  nerves...lol
[02:22] <cyne> yeah baby tranlucency is here
[02:23] <Hobbsee> lol...same here Ben1984 - these printers are sure overrated!
[02:23] <cyne> Hobbsee: do you know what "GLX" is ?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> something to do with graphcs acceleration, i think
[02:24] <Hobbsee> but that's a complete guess and could be very wrotn
[02:24] <Hobbsee> *wrong
[02:25] <Hobbsee> and it's part of rss-glx, which are those nifty open-gl screensavers :P
[02:25] <cyne> i see
[02:25] <Hobbsee> but those are complete guesses and not very helpful
[02:26] <Hobbsee> !glx
[02:26] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Hobbsee
[02:26] <Hobbsee> mmm...thought so
[02:26] <cyne> hmm i thought i saw an nvidia option to allow glx with composite but it appears to have been my imagination
[02:27] <Hobbsee> lol...it's those hiding menu options
[02:29] <LaserLine> Hello all...
[02:29] <LaserLine> I have a simple question...
[02:30] <jpatrick> LaserLine: hello & fire away
[02:30] <LaserLine> What's the diffrence when installing the Kubuntu ISO and Installing the Ubuntu ISO, choosing Server and then 'apt-get kubuntu desktop'
[02:30] <jpatrick> not much
[02:31] <LaserLine> but there is a diffrence?
[02:31] <OculusAquilae> LaserLine: it needs more time on ubuntu iso
[02:31] <OculusAquilae> because loading from server
[02:33] <LaserLine> So it will just be time installing or performance/compatability issues?
[02:33] <OculusAquilae> installing 
[02:33] <OculusAquilae> it think only
[02:34] <LaserLine> Ok, Thanks.
[02:36] <cyne> finally i got translucency going within X
[02:36] <Ben1984> now i cant even select a  printer...its all greyed out
[02:36] <Ben1984> my god
[02:37] <Ben1984> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[02:37] <Ben1984> See `config.log' for more details.
[02:38] <Ben1984> what does that mean
[02:38] <Ben1984> i am trying to install cups
[02:40] <robin_2> Ben1984: why do you want to compile it?
[02:41] <Ben1984> i dunno what im doing
[02:42] <robin_2> Ben1984: cups is installed as default, so you don' thave to install it 
[02:42] <robin_2> Ben1984: you can add your printer in the system settings.
[02:42] <Ben1984> well its not working right
[02:43] <Ben1984> Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running. Error: connection refused.
[02:43] <Hobbsee> in console:  /etc/init.d/cupsys start to make sure it's going
[02:45] <Ben1984> then what
[02:45] <Ben1984> cus now it doesnt have my printer listed
[02:45] <Ben1984> wow...this is a headache
[02:45] <Hobbsee> i dont know, i'm having trouble with my printer too
[02:45] <Hobbsee> parallel port one, anyway
[02:45] <Ben1984> im close to reclaiming my space on this disk
[02:46] <Ben1984> how do i make it re-detect my printer port?
[02:47] <Ben1984> without restarting my computer
[02:47] <aftertaf> try ubuntu...
[02:48] <Ben1984> ??
[02:48] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[02:48] <aftertaf> ?#ubuntu
[02:50] <Ben1984> how do i install an RPM?
[02:50] <whitefungi> so, is the topic "test adept (in Breezy) (apt-get dist-upgrade if you don't have it)" true?!?
[02:50] <whitefungi> lol
[02:51] <Ben1984> !rpm
[02:51] <ubotu> Ben1984: What?
[02:51] <apokryphos> whitefungi: ?
[02:51] <Hobbsee> !alien
[02:51] <ubotu> [alien]  a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Can give problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/
[02:51] <Hobbsee> !deb
[02:51] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Hobbsee
[02:51] <whitefungi> apparently, I will need to change my mirrors to work, as I'm not gettting breezy from that command.
[02:51] <Ben1984> i have enough problems
[02:51] <apokryphos> whitefungi: no, that command doesn't give you breezy
[02:51] <whitefungi> LIES!
[02:51] <whitefungi> lol
[02:51] <Ravensky> where is kubuntu's Grub config file?
[02:52] <whitefungi> topic is a little misleading. ;)
[02:52] <Ravensky> menu.lst?
[02:52] <whitefungi> apokryphos: heh, thanks.  'tis ok though.  no biggiee.
[02:52] <apokryphos> whitefungi: to get breezy /msg ubotu breezy
[02:54] <Hobbsee> Ravensky: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:55] <Ben1984> Hobb i have been asking that ll night
[02:55] <Ben1984> all
[02:56] <Hobbsee> asking which?
[02:56] <Hobbsee> about the rpm?
[02:56] <Ben1984> no
[02:56] <Ben1984> about the configuring the bootloader
[02:57] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:57] <Hobbsee> how were you wanting to configure it
[02:58] <Ben1984> i got it
[02:58] <Ben1984> hopefully
[02:58] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:59] <Ben1984> do i have both kernels installed?
[02:59] <Hobbsee> you dist-upgraded to breezy?
[02:59] <Ben1984> no
[02:59] <Hobbsee> hmmm...you could, not sure
[03:00] <Floker> hi there
[03:00] <Ben1984> i installed breezy orig.
[03:00] <Hobbsee> dont know how to tell you either sorry
[03:00] <Hobbsee> hi floker
[03:00] <Floker> <-- boon with queszion
[03:00] <Ben1984> it says on the boot loader
[03:00] <Ben1984> Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-9-386
[03:00] <Floker> hi hobbsee :D
[03:00] <Ben1984> Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-8-386
[03:00] <Hobbsee> Floker: shoot
[03:00] <Hobbsee> ah, well there you go
[03:00] <Ben1984> it happened after i upgraded with the package manager
[03:00] <Hobbsee> *nods*
[03:01] <Ben1984> can i put this (#) in front?
[03:01] <Ben1984> to make the 8 one not show
[03:01] <Floker> like, when i have a programm, a java program wich runs with "cd /home/stefano/Java/something/something.java" - "java something", and i want to use it from anywhere with "something" e.g. when i do some stuff in the console
[03:01] <Floker> how do i do this?
[03:01] <LaserLine> Does a Kubuntu server installation identical to a Ubuntu server installation ?
[03:02] <Hobbsee> think so
[03:02] <Hobbsee> assuming server installation doesnt install either kde or gnome
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> Ben1984: yes. but you may as well remove the kernel
[03:02] <aftertaf> would think so// no specific gnome or kde packages in server install.
[03:02] <LaserLine> Does anyone know where I can find a list of all installed packages of a server installation ?
[03:02] <LaserLine> in breezyt
[03:02] <Floker> i think i have to write a shellscript and set some kind of variable to execute it without changing the path manually
[03:02] <Floker> how do i do this? again :D
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> LaserLine: try apt-cache show ubuntu-server or similar
[03:03] <Floker> then he have to try it on both ubuntu and kubuntu and compare the results
[03:03] <Floker> kinda complicated. i suggest to write to the kubuntu people
[03:04] <aftertaf> !cli
[03:04] <ubotu> methinks cli is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/
[03:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> LaserLine: yes, the servers are the same
[03:04] <aftertaf> Floker:  ^^^
[03:05] <LaserLine> Is there a list on the net of all installed packages in server mode?
[03:05] <Floker> argh :D
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> LaserLine: i can pastebin ubuntu-server or similar if you want, but not sure where to find a list per sey. try the wiki ???
[03:11] <LaserLine> Kamping_Kaiser I'd really like that if you could paste bin, I searched the wiki, didn't find a thing.
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure its a full list, but here is ubuntu-minimal
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://pastebin.com/391150
[03:15] <apokryphos> the server also has the ubuntu-standard packs
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. realy?
[03:16] <apokryphos> yup
[03:16] <apokryphos> actually, I *presume* so ;-)
[03:16] <apokryphos> since I think the server install is essentially ubuntu-base
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. ok
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://pastebin.com/391153 has both ;)
[03:18] <apokryphos> thinking about it, the server=ubuntu-base is kind of a shot in the dark, but I don't see other server packs. Though there is an edubuntu-server pack
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> i did a search for ubuntu |grep server ;)
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> came up short, so i asumed its a 'core' type package
[03:20] <LaserLine> Thanks.
[03:20] <LaserLine> How did you generate this list ?
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-cache show $package (look in the pastebin :))
[03:21] <LaserLine> looked :-)
[03:21] <LaserLine> thanks.
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:21] <LaserLine> I'll tell you why I ask...
[03:22] <LaserLine> I have a low end system
[03:22] <LaserLine> and Kubuntu/Ubuntu work too slow.
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> how low end?
[03:22] <LaserLine> Xubuntu doesn't have packages that are identicle with Kubuntu and Ubuntu, let's say ACPI 
[03:22] <LaserLine> I have a P3 600MHZ with 256MB ram laptop
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> to low?????
[03:23] <jeroenvrp> hi folks
[03:23] <jeroenvrp> I succesfullt installed Kubuntu :-)
[03:23] <jeroenvrp> question:
[03:23] <LaserLine> It's a 4200RPM drive, it's a SLOW system. believe me... it's old.
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> this is a laptop, 450Mhz, 256m ram. i know desktop PCs - 233, 96MB ram running ubuntu
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> jeroenvrp: :D:D wd
[03:23] <LaserLine> I installed Ubuntu and Kubuntu. it's running, but I want it to open up stuff faster.
[03:23] <jpatrick> LaserLine: I have a pentium II 128MB running Kubuntu
[03:23] <jeroenvrp> Is there a kicker applet or systray-icon to check for security updates?!
[03:24] <LaserLine> on hoary I had Kubuntu, Ubuntu, XFCE4 installed. and XFCE4 had the best response.
[03:24] <jpatrick> jeroenvrp: there's Adept Updater
[03:24] <jeroenvrp> I though Ubunti had this, but couln not find it
[03:24] <Hobbsee> jeroenvrp: ubuntu has this, kubuntu doesnt
[03:24] <jeroenvrp> jpatrick: yes I know, but you must do that manually
[03:24] <jeroenvrp> Hobbsee: I see
[03:24] <jpatrick> :P
[03:24] <Hobbsee> hopefully we will get one soon
[03:25] <jeroenvrp> Ah ok, so it is in the works I understand!?
[03:25] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: I thought it was Adept
[03:25] <LaserLine> KampingKaiser, I'm not in I use KDE or Gnome because it's better debate, I can get used to what ever interface... (even though I wish Gnome would have the eyecandy of KDE :-))
[03:25] <Hobbsee> i think it was a breezy bounty, but didnt get completed
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> LaserLine: :) im just saying your box is *not* slow by any imagination
[03:25] <Hobbsee> i'd have to have a look at the kubuntu wiki
[03:25] <jeroenvrp> jpatrick: I was talking about a update-notification
[03:25] <jpatrick> it did, didn't it?
[03:26] <LaserLine> Kamping_Kaiser it is slow... for me :-)
[03:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;) LaserLine your spoiled then
[03:26] <jeroenvrp> another questiob
[03:26] <jeroenvrp> n
[03:26] <jeroenvrp> Apept Updater:
[03:26] <Hobbsee> yep:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuTODO
[03:26] <jpatrick> Adept
[03:26] <jeroenvrp> Is it only updating security issues?!
[03:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> jeroenvrp: you can get updates and security updates
[03:27] <LaserLine> Kamping_Kaiser not spoiled... I like to find the best useability with the best performance, and KDE nor Gnome do the job on this laptop.... I wait for a long time for software to load... maybe it's because of the s...l...o...w drive i have..
[03:27] <Hobbsee> i thought it updated every package on your system, assumign there werent dependency issues
[03:27] <jeroenvrp> Kamping_Kaiser: and if I only want security updates?
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> LaserLine: i dont use OO.o, so everythings fine :0
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> jeroenvrp: turn of normal updates
[03:28] <LaserLine> Kamping_Kaiser what do you use?
[03:28] <jpatrick> LaserLine: Use KOffice
[03:28] <Hobbsee> koffice, probably
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> LaserLine: for editing docs? vim ;)
[03:28] <Hobbsee> lol...you're crazy then :P
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> or i ask ppl to send it plain text
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> plain text[03:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: i realised realy fast its better to get ppl to resend in plaintext then to try and open binary formats in vi... realy fast ;:)
[03:30] <Hobbsee> lol true
[03:33] <jeroenvrp> Kamping_Kaiser: I cant find how to turn of normal updates in Adept Updater
[03:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> jeroenvrp: i dont know how to use adept
[03:34] <jeroenvrp> ok
[03:34] <jeroenvrp> someone else?!
[03:36] <Hobbsee> looking...
[03:37] <Hobbsee> mmm...cant see any option for it currently sorry
[03:43] <aftertaf> jeroenvrp:  what do you mean, turn off normal updates?
[03:44] <jeroenvrp> aftertaf: When u use 'Adept Updater' is it only updating security packages or also normal packages?
[03:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: he means turn off all the $version-updates lines in soruces list
[03:45] <aftertaf> jeroenvrp:  check in your repositories
[03:45] <jeroenvrp> yes that is in Adept
[03:45] <jeroenvrp> but I mean the different application 'Adept Updater'
[03:45] <aftertaf> oh, no idea.
[03:45] <aftertaf> :/
[03:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> perhaps i should install adapt and see what all the fus is about
[03:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi helpme
[03:46] <helpme> Kamping_Kaiser: hey hi dude
[03:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:48] <helpme> how do i access synaptic and certain selected gui apps without being prompted for password?? and as normal user??
[03:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> helpme: you could add a line to your sudoers file, but thats very insecure (as long as you know)
[03:50] <helpme> Kamping_Kaiser: no other way.any gui way...like with kapability?
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont know a way to stop passwords to those apps, no
[03:51] <apokryphos> kapability? Never heard of it.... it might
[03:52] <apokryphos> doesn't look like it exists :P
[03:55] <Doktoreas> guys willhi guys
[03:55] <Doktoreas> will brezy use 3.5b1?
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont think so , but im not sure
[03:59] <aftertaf> Doktoreas:  nope. 
[03:59] <aftertaf> not at release.
[03:59] <aftertaf> but you can ghet it now anyway.... it is nice.
[03:59] <aftertaf> 1 bug blockning install but not too hard to get around.
[04:00] <Doktoreas> i use on my gentoo
[04:00] <helpme> how fast is kubuntu breezy guys? ive heard it will use 3.4.3??
[04:01] <Doktoreas> i need to get webcam on msn for a friend of mine
[04:02] <robin_2> Are they gonna fix the mounting problems with usbsticks (and probably other removal media) before the release.
[04:02] <helpme> Doktoreas: im using gaim-vv......dont think it really works for webcams!
[04:02] <jeroenvrp> ok I unstalled the Ubunto update manager and the only option to get only security updates are to remove the repositories from the list in there
[04:03] <robin_2> it was working, but someone how they managed to brake it.
[04:03] <jeroenvrp> there were no sec. updates
[04:03] <jeroenvrp> anyhow now my sources.list is broken
[04:03] <Doktoreas> helpme: try kde 3.5b1
[04:03] <helpme> Doktoreas: tell ur friend to use skype or gnome-meeting...they have webcam support....but u need to create a free skype account which is simple
[04:03] <Doktoreas> kopete support webcam
[04:03] <jeroenvrp> where to find tht originals
[04:03] <jeroenvrp> ?
[04:04] <helpme> Doktoreas: is that a question? does kopete really support webcams?
[04:04] <Doktoreas> yup
[04:04] <Doktoreas> it support webcam
[04:05] <jpatrick> helpme: it does
[04:05] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> I does?
[04:05] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> *It
[04:05] <jpatrick> yeah
[04:05] <helpme> Doktoreas: hey thats great news...i never knew that!
[04:05] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Same here
[04:05] <helpme> and gaim doesn't? then kopete's better than gaim right?
[04:05] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> News to me
[04:05] <Doktoreas> 3.5b1 has got some very nice feature
[04:06] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> helpme: Gaim doesn't but gaim-vv does. They wil be merging  soon anyway
[04:06] <helpme> Doktoreas: have u tried kubuntu breezy? 
[04:06] <jpatrick> I think it's only the SVN verison only
[04:06] <Doktoreas> helpme: nope
[04:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> for gaim2 iirc
[04:06] <helpme> Rogue_Jedi_Zero: im using gaim-vv right now and i can say it doesn't
[04:06] <Doktoreas> tomorrow i'll try it
[04:06] <Doktoreas> i am too gentoo fun
[04:06] <aftertaf> helpme:  i use it. great :)
[04:06] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> helpme: Then I stand corrected
[04:06] <helpme> boy gentoo is fun!!
[04:07] <helpme> aftertaf: u mean gentoo? i was kidding....gentoo is for real geeks aint it?
[04:07] <bobuse> Hi there, how can I restart network interfaces on a Breezy
[04:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> helpme: gentoo is for 'them'
[04:08] <Doktoreas> helpme: nope... it's for people who like read guide
[04:08] <bobuse> I've tried  sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart but unsuccessfully :-/
[04:08] <helpme> anyone here who's tried breezy.....plz comment on bootup time and general speed???
[04:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> bobuse: what are you trying to do? that should have fixed it
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> what about 'sudo ifdown -a && sudo ifup -a' ?
[04:09] <bobuse> Kamping_Kaiser: I try ...
[04:10] <aftertaf> helpme:  nope, i meant kde breezy kubuntu....
[04:10] <aftertaf> er. yeah :)
[04:10] <aftertaf> down with g33ks :)
[04:10] <aftertaf> helpme:  fast, fine, no pbs.....
[04:11] <bobuse> Kamping_Kaiser: nothing ... ifconfig display only lo
[04:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> bobuse: what did you change? why do you want to restart networking?
[04:11] <helpme> aftertaf: hmm...glad to know that:)
[04:12] <aftertaf> helpme:  serious, no pbs at all, apart from a cpl of bugs a while back. fixed same day as per.... ;)
[04:12] <bobuse> I've tried to modify /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to set correctly the hostname
[04:13] <Doktoreas> who is trying brezy?
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> bobuse: of your PC?
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> you should edit /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname
[04:14] <bobuse> Then I've tried  sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart, see that I've lost my eth0, so I've deleted the line added and redo  /etc/init.d/networking restart
[04:14] <bobuse> Kamping_Kaiser: on my laptop ;-)
[04:15] <bobuse> In fact, my hostname isn't well registered in the dns, so I tried some tricks (maybe stupid ...)
[04:15] <aftertaf> hasnt beta1 been updated since mid september?????
[04:15] <aftertaf> Doktoreas:  been on it for 6 weeks already
[04:16] <Doktoreas> do you know how is for wifi cards?
[04:17] <bobuse> Ok "sudo dhclient" breings up my network
[04:18] <robin_2> no one else got the usb / removable media problem?
[04:19] <aftertaf> robin_2:  the opens a windows twice problem?
[04:19] <aftertaf> i got it too...
[04:19] <robin_2> aftertaf: and, the wrong mountpoint, and there is no desktop icon too.
[04:19] <robin_2> and I have to use sudo to umount it. :/
[04:20] <robin_2> It is working with the clean RC1 release.. 
[04:20] <robin_2> I hope they will fix it for tomorrow.
[04:20] <aftertaf> robin_2:  ahh i dont get that error.
[04:21] <robin_2> hmm
[04:22] <jeroenvrp> question: is it a good idea to enable "deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe" ?!
[04:27] <helpme> !info biomode
[04:27] <helpme> !biomode info
[04:27] <ubotu> helpme: Not a clue
[04:27] <ubotu> biomode: ([Biology]  An Emacs mode to edit genetic data), section universe/science, is optional. Version: 1.002-7 (hoary), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 136 kB
[04:28] <helpme> !clustalx info
[04:28] <ubotu> helpme: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[04:28] <adwait> !ubotu
[04:28] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on this channel! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my databanks on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:28] <apokryphos> helpme: investigate with ubotu in /msg please
[04:29] <helpme> apokryphos: sorry got that
[04:29] <Doktoreas> where i can read the pakage that will be in breeze?
[04:30] <aftertaf> Doktoreas:  go to the url in your sources.list and look..... at breezy
[04:31] <aftertaf> you can update sources, do apt-get update and upgrade too, then say No, you'll have a list of all.
[04:31] <helpme> apokryphos: how do i do it?
[04:31] <aftertaf> then you wait tomorrow and say yes.
[04:31] <Doktoreas> aftertaf: i am not on brezy
[04:31] <apokryphos> helpme: /msg ubotu <factoid>
[04:31] <aftertaf> Doktoreas:  i know......
[04:31] <apokryphos> Doktoreas: packages.ubuntu.com
[04:31] <aftertaf> anyway, i'm gone :)
[04:31] <_thomas> is Breezy Badger stable?
[04:32] <aftertaf> cyall tomorrow :) for upgrade fun/panic
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> in about 10 hours :)
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> later aftertaf :)
[04:32] <aftertaf> _thomas:  99.99999% yes
[04:32] <aftertaf> later kk
[04:32] <aftertaf> :)
[04:32] <_thomas> I think it is stable. take a look at http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[04:33] <_thomas> No, my error. sorry
[04:33] <helpme> !ncbi-tools-x11 info
[04:33] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, helpme
[04:35] <gsuveg> how can i get gpg key for koffice mirrors ?
[04:35] <helpme> hmm...seems to me that all packages that are in debian repos are also there in ubuntu repos:)
[04:35] <engelzz> i installed kubuntu rc and updatet kde to 3.5 and the whole kubuntu, but now my mouse stops working after some seconds of not moving
[04:35] <engelzz> anybody a solution?
[04:35] <robin_2> engelzz: energy-save mode :)
[04:36] <engelzz> it is a wiremouse (on ps/2)
[04:37] <engelzz> there was an old entry in bugzilla about udev, but they said it has been solved...
[04:37] <engelzz> mouse works for some times when i switch to tty2 and back to kde
[04:38] <helpme> ive to go now anyway....goodnight to all:)
[04:39] <engelzz> i try out if it is kdes fault
[04:43] <engelzz> sorry it is a usb mouse
[04:45] <robin_2> engelzz: does dmesg don't show an error?
[04:46] <engelzz> just waiting for it
[04:46] <engelzz> stupid, now it won't stop when i want it to
[04:46] <robin_2> :0
[04:46] <robin_2> :)
[04:47] <engelzz> it say something about atkbd.c and keycodes
[04:47] <robin_2> kdesu does not use my theme, but sudo does.. can I fix that?
[04:48] <apokryphos> not really, nope
[04:48] <apokryphos> and you should never sudo {guiapp}
[04:49] <engelzz> ps/2 controller doesn't have aux
[04:49] <engelzz> (remember it is a usb mouse, missed it before)
[04:50] <engelzz> don't see any other odd messages
[04:51] <robin_2> apokryphos: why not?
[04:51] <apokryphos> !kdesu
[04:51] <ubotu> Use kdesu to run applications with root priveleges, when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions and the config files.
[04:52] <robin_2> hmm nice, why does it not give a warning ..
[04:53] <nalioth> robin_2: b/c this is an OS for grownups
[04:55] <robin_2> nalioth: so?
[04:57] <engelzz> mhhh tried another usb port and it seems to fix it...
[05:01] <_thiago> any good apps for KDE?
[05:02] <_thiago> new good apps?
[05:03] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> nhi
[05:03] <jpatrick> hallo slow-motion
[05:03] <slow-motion> hi jpatrick 
[05:04] <_thiago> what is it for?
[05:05] <apokryphos> very many :)
[05:05] <jpatrick> nalioth: "b/c this is an OS for grownups" <- what?
[05:07] <nalioth> jpatrick: this OS is what you make of it, it is not prepackaged and immutable
[05:07] <nalioth> jpatrick: you will not go to jail for making this EXACTLY how you want it
[05:11] <Nakkel> any fix for this anoying problem when installing or upgrading software in breezy? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/391244
[05:11] <Nakkel> tried reinstalling postfix package but no avail
[05:36] <spiral> hi
[05:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi spiral
[05:45] <Kinomees> changed my video card but where can i get info about it and how to configure 3D stuff with it ?
[05:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> what did you change to?
[05:45] <Kinomees> from ati to nvidia something
[05:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> ask ubotu, you need to change ati -> nvidia driver?
[05:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> !nvidia
[05:46] <ubotu> from memory, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[05:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> !packages
[05:46] <ubotu> You can browse the packages in the Ubuntu repositories from http://packages.ubuntu.com
[05:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> ta
[05:47] <Kinomees> tnx
[06:16] <SerajewelKS> what is the root password for kubuntu live?
[06:17] <StR> SerajewelKS: don't use root
[06:17] <StR> SerajewelKS: just use sudo
[06:17] <SerajewelKS> StR, that's the most worthless advice i've ever heard.  "don't get root.  get root this way."
[06:18] <StR> SerajewelKS: whatever you want....
[06:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> SerajewelKS: you asked
[06:18] <SerajewelKS> StR, unless by "don't use root" you meant "don't use su"
[06:19] <StR> SerajewelKS:  don't login as root, don't use 'su'... you never need them
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol you cant use them
[06:20] <blankb> SerajewelKS there is no root password in kubuntu live.
[06:20] <SerajewelKS> StR, well 'sudo su -' worked
[06:20] <blankb> SerajewelKS : to get a root shell do sudo -s or sudo -i
[06:20] <apokryphos> SerajewelKS: not useless at all; sudo isn't the conventional root account
[06:20] <StR> SerajewelKS: well, yes it works, noone said you "can't" but you neever need it
[06:20] <SerajewelKS> apokryphos, sudo is not an account
[06:20] <apokryphos> indeed; there you go
[06:21] <apokryphos> SerajewelKS: use sudo, not su would have been more help perhaps, but you get the gist of it
[06:21] <SerajewelKS> apokryphos, yeah probably
[06:21] <apokryphos> SerajewelKS: the root account is disabled on Ubuntu; /msg ubotu root   ..for more information.
[06:22] <inc|freaky> is there any C IDE for KDE?=
[06:22] <StR> inc|freaky: kdevelop
[06:22] <SerajewelKS> apokryphos, wow.. i mean, just... wow.  is there any rationale for that at all?
[06:23] <apokryphos> SerajewelKS: yes; the model is superior
[06:23] <SerajewelKS> apokryphos, why exactly
[06:23] <blankb> the model appears to be superior to many people who look at it. 8)
[06:24] <SerajewelKS> i see no problem using a root shell to edit config files
[06:24] <apokryphos> SerajewelKS: aren't some listed right there on the page I linked to?
[06:26] <inc|freaky> StR: thx :)
[06:26] <SerajewelKS> apokryphos, useful on certain occasions maybe.  for administrating my own box, most of the reasons don't apply.
[06:26] <StR> inc|freaky: no problem
[06:27] <apokryphos> SerajewelKS: correct; for a single-user distro it's not much different, even if it might hint at some good policies
[06:27] <SerajewelKS> apokryphos, i think i'm prepared to debate every point on that list for the linux server i'm running too ;)
[06:28] <inc|freaky> our programming teacher doesnt do anything with linux he only codes windows aplications :\
[06:28] <hon> I'm trying to install mediawiki. (breezy repos)
[06:28] <SerajewelKS> inc|freaky, same here...
[06:28] <hon> I'm trying to install mediawiki. (breezy repos), but I get nothing in /var/www
[06:28] <inc|freaky> SerajewelKS: lol we have one girl in our class, her name is zhera ;) your nick just reminds me of her ^^
[06:28] <hon> does it have a config script?
[06:28] <apokryphos> SerajewelKS: you would have a seriously big challenge making any possible case to suggest that plain su model is superior on, say, a typical/traditional mainframe organisation
[06:29] <SerajewelKS> apokryphos, in that situation i would be using sudo to allow certain users to run only specific programs as root.  but i wouldn't be disabling the root account.
[06:29] <pipoun> Anyone using konversation and knowing how to create an alias?
[06:30] <apokryphos> SerajewelKS: you're using sudo already then; su is obsolete then
[06:30] <SerajewelKS> apokryphos, well kinda.  it's still useful to get a root login assuming that you know the password.  i do prefer the sudo model, but i don't understand the root-is-locked-in-ubuntu thing.
[06:31] <apokryphos> no, it's not useful; it's useless, in fact.
[06:31] <apokryphos> if you knew what you were doing
[06:32] <apokryphos> and what exactly don't you understand? If you really wanted su for sentimental reason you just need to enter one command
[06:32] <apokryphos> disabled=password scrambled
[06:35] <inc|freaky> StR: umm, can i do tcl-scripting using kdevelop, too? 
[06:35] <StR> inc|freaky: yes
[06:35] <inc|freaky> kewl :D
[06:35] <inc|freaky> does it use kate as editor then?
[06:35] <StR> inc|freaky: yes
[06:35] <inc|freaky> awkay ;D
[06:35] <inc|freaky> StR: can i also use kate then wouldnt that be the same?
[06:36] <StR> inc|freaky: no... kdevelop manages all documentation with shorcuts, you can watch a structure tree for your functions and classes
[06:37] <StR> inc|freaky: it has debuger included, compile it with a click,  check in or out ins subversion or cvs....
[06:37] <inc|freaky> ah really kewl ill use fish and edit some of my scripts using it (we just started learning C so i can only write a hello world program for now ;D
[06:37] <inc|freaky> )
[06:37] <inc|freaky> kewl ^^
[06:37] <jpatrick> inc|freaky: started learning C?
[06:38] <inc|freaky> jpatrick: yea ;) i allready read a boock "C coding for linux within 21 Days"
[06:38] <inc|freaky> so im a bit in front of the others
[06:38] <jpatrick> inc|freaky: I just learnt C++ instead :P
[06:38] <inc|freaky> jpatrick: we do that in the 2nd year at school ;D
[06:39] <jpatrick> just skip C imo
[06:41] <jpatrick> C# :S :P
[06:42] <jpatrick> StR: I'd rather do Java
[06:43] <StR> j...a....v....a....   i..s....   s..o...o...o...o...o....  s...l...o...o..o...o...o...w
[06:44] <jpatrick> C# is sooo buggy
[06:44] <jpatrick> ;)
[06:46] <gsuveg> fight!
[06:46] <StR> lol!
[06:46] <inc|freaky> str: where can i watch a structure tree of my functions when i write scripts in TCL? there is nothign like that?
[06:46] <StR> inc|freaky: in C
[06:47] <inc|freaky> ah C only
[06:47] <StR> inc|freaky: I see my classes an functions in PHP
[06:47] <inc|freaky> str: how and where?
[06:48] <StR> there is a button on the left, that say 'Classes'
[06:48] <StR> click there..
[06:48] <StR> it will show you a window
[06:49] <inc|freaky> tcl has no classes
[06:49] <inc|freaky> and icant see any classes button :\ im running "KDevelop - Scripting"
[06:49] <StR> I'm talking about PHP or C
[06:49] <StR> well...     tcl sucks...
[06:50] <jpatrick> inc|freaky: if you're doing C why are you in Scripting?
[06:50] <inc|freaky> im doing TCL
[06:51] <inc|freaky> lol how do i leave fullscreen mode?
[06:51] <StR> control+shit+f
[06:52] <jpatrick> control+what???
[06:52] <StR> shift
[06:52] <StR> LOL
[06:52] <jpatrick> rofl
[06:52] <inc|freaky> whats so funny`?
[06:52] <inc|freaky> ^^
[06:58] <inc|freaky> why would some1 use putty for linux?
[07:03] <Bicchi> At what time should I expect to see the release posted for Breezy. How many hours from now?
[07:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> Bicchi: i expect about 7
[07:04] <Tm_T> :'(
[07:04] <Bicchi> Kamping: so in about 7 hours you think?
[07:10] <hyperactivecrond> what do i install to get the public_html for apache2 mod?
[07:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> hyperactivecrond: its part of apache
[07:13] <hyperactivecrond> Kamping_Kaiser: so if i mkdir ~/public_html it'll work then?
[07:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> should do
[07:14] <hyperactivecrond> ok
[07:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> with teh usual rwx settings. but im off to bed :( up supposed to be getting up in < 6 hours
[07:15] <hyperactivecrond> works
[07:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool. have fun :)
[07:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> night all :)
[07:15] <hyperactivecrond> how do you configure apache2's modmp3
[07:15] <hyperactivecrond> night kamping_kaiser
[07:17] <hyperactivecrond> got it
[07:21] <cddesjar> what's the difference between a safe and a full upgrade in adept
[07:22] <cddesjar> also i can't seem to use the help center in adept
[07:24] <helpme> cddesjar: does the new kubuntu boot faster? is it in general faster??
[07:24] <cddesjar> don't know
[07:25] <cddesjar> i've used debian before this
[07:25] <cddesjar> i would say it's quicker than debian
[07:25] <cddesjar> i switched cause i wanted newer packages
[07:25] <helpme> any estimate for boot time?
[07:25] <cddesjar> it takes me about 30-60 seconds, but i would say i average 45 seconds to the KDM menu
[07:26] <helpme> yeah i too wud have used debian but i like newer stuff
[07:26] <cddesjar> not as quick as M$ but i don't even notice it
[07:26] <helpme> thats bit faster than hoary i guess
[07:27] <cddesjar> is hoary slow? what are you using?
[07:29] <slow-motion> re
[07:32] <Kinomees> mypackage manager shows that i have somepackges installed but i cannot run them and they are not in my menu :(
[07:33] <frank23> Kinomees: sometimes a program is not added to the menu automatically but you can still run it from the console  or add it to the menu manuallt
[07:34] <Kinomees> that is the problem: ti will not run in console .... mayb i should run it in certain dirs but i dont knaow where
[07:34] <frank23> Kinomees: what program is it?
[07:35] <author-psi> hi
[07:35] <Kinomees> for example: some games 
[07:36] <Kinomees> pong 2 :)
[07:38] <frank23> Kinomees: for pong 2, type pong2 in a console
[07:38] <Kinomees> and it says: no such command
[07:39] <frank23> Kinomees: try  /usr/games/pong2
[07:40] <frank23> Kinomees: synaptic can show you what are the files installed by a packages
[07:46] <StR> how can I configure konversation so I don' t see when some one enteres or leaves the room?
[07:49] <syli725> what is the network confguration tool ?
[07:51] <BlankB> StR: even better how can I configure konversation to not show when someone leaves or enters except somone I was talking to.
[07:52] <StR> BlankB: no idea....
[07:53] <BlankB> But its is under setting -> Configure Konversation : Behavior -> Chatwindow : hide join/part/nick events.
[07:53] <BlankB> That is what you asked for, but not what I wanted.
[07:54] <_rodrigo> Good afternoon!
[07:54] <StR> BlankB: THANKS!
[07:55] <_rodrigo> Is there any way to make DVD player (like Kaffeine) to drop less frames? (I am using nvidia hardware driver already)
[07:55] <BlankB> _rodrigo is dma on for the drive?
[07:56] <_rodrigo> I thought I had already turn it on. What s the command line, again?
[07:56] <BlankB> assuming the drive is hdc: hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc
[07:56] <BlankB> It does not keep the settings through a reboot.
[07:56] <_rodrigo> I see
[07:57] <_rodrigo> Is there anyway to keep it after rebooting?
[07:57] <_rodrigo> Is it recommended?
[07:57] <helpme> what are security updates?
[07:59] <_rodrigo> thx
[08:00] <helpme> what are security updates? im a newbie...plz help
[08:01] <helpme> anone uses kdevelop here?
[08:01] <_str> helpme: me
[08:01] <_str> helpme: but I use it  for PHP
[08:01] <helpme> _str: how do i do C++ and perl programming in it?
[08:02] <helpme> _str: how do u do it? 
[08:02] <_str> helpme: just like that...
[08:02] <_str> helpme: do you have an existing proyect?
[08:02] <helpme> im complete noob..
[08:03] <helpme> _str: i just wanna quickly type a c++ program and compile it? im leearnig C++
[08:03] <Phobos> helpme: There are project wizards that can get you started
[08:03] <StR> (is it every1 learning C today??)
[08:04] <helpme> anyone here using Nedit??? 
[08:04] <StR> helpme: just start wirting and save it as .cpp
[08:04] <helpme> then how to compile?
[08:05] <helpme> StR: then how to compile? can i debug it also??
[08:05] <StR> sorry I cannot help you with that, I use it for PHP, and it is not a compiled language...
[08:05] <BlankB> helpme: there is also a channel on irc  for kdevelop called #kdevelop
[08:05] <StR> helpme: I know kdevelop can do that, but i don't know how
[08:06] <helpme> StR: ok then how do u interpret it?
[08:06] <MEtaLpREs> heh, just installed breezy last night and already have 210 updates to download
[08:06] <helpme> BlankB: thanks i didnt know that
[08:06] <helpme> what are security updates?
[08:07] <helpme> MEtaLpREs: is the new kubuntu faster than hoary? in bootup? and in general?
[08:08] <MEtaLpREs> yea it is definetly faster, my boot time is about 20 secs
[08:08] <pipoun> but why would it be faster?
[08:08] <helpme> WOW! i feel like dancing......lol
[08:08] <MEtaLpREs> and rock solid too, i havent had a single lock up or crash yet, kde was crashy constantly on me in hoary
[08:09] <helpme> yeah me too konq ould constantly crah in hoary....
[08:10] <MEtaLpREs> i am very happy with breezy so far, and its not even final yet
[08:11] <helpme> MEtaLpREs: do apps load faster too? how abt firefox?
[08:12] <helpme> :(
[08:12] <MEtaLpREs> everything seems alittle faster, but its only an os upgrade its not like your installing new hardware so dont expect anything too dramatic
[08:15] <helpme> MEtaLpREs: still.......it has new slick bootsplash!
[08:15] <humbolt> is it normal that artsd starts in 3 instances when full-duplex is enabled?
[08:16] <duce> was mute ich nochmal installieren, um amarok mp3 beizubringen? xine habe ich schon unter amarok eingerichtet.
[08:16] <duce> Oh, sorry - missed that this is a english chan...
[08:17] <duce> How do I "teach" amarok mp3? I have allready installed this xine thing...
[08:18] <Riddell> duce: kubuntu.org/faq.php
[08:19] <Kinomees> the coolest thing is when you get an answer like : www.google.com
[08:20] <BlankB> Luckily mp3 is the 5th question on there.
[08:26] <humbolt> does anybody have any experience with skype using arts? I get a segfault every time I want to make a call
[08:26] <humbolt> using artsdsp -m skype
[08:32] <raingrove> where is our breeeeeeezy:P
[08:32] <raingrove> by the way did anyone notice how buggy systemsettings is?
[08:32] <raingrove> i replaced it with good old kcontrol
[08:36] <guillem> hi
[08:36] <raingrove> hi
[08:43] <hon> how can I setup mediawiki? have anyone tried it?
[08:46] <raingrove> hon/i thinku just need php and mysql
[08:46] <hon> I apt-get installed it, but don't know how to config it
[08:47] <raingrove> i am sure there is a wiki for mediawiki on the net :)
[08:47] <raingrove> do u have apache, php, mysql set up?
[08:47] <hon> php and apache are working
[08:48] <hon> I am not sure about mysql, but it must be working as well
[08:48] <hon> I used apt-get install mediawiki which should take care of them
[08:50] <MEtaLpREs> is there any good walkthroughs for installing LAMP?
[08:50] <MEtaLpREs> the only one i could find for ubuntu is for warty and half of it doesnt work
[08:58] <guillem> somebody knows anything about libpam-usb and usb authentication?
[09:27] <Sho_> Will 3.4.3 make it into the final 5.10?
[09:28] <libben> how do i change my ff icon?
[09:28] <OculusAquilae> Sho_: it is in 5.10
[09:29] <Sho_> OculusAquilae: great :-)
[09:44] <raingrove> Does anyone know how to fix ugly anti-aliasing in interface fonts for openoffice?
[09:45] <wh0re[b4g> hello?
[09:46] <wh0re[b4g> can someone tell me where I can find the minimum system requirements for the latest release of kubuntu?
[09:52] <buga> ubuntu's recommended minimum memory requirement is 128M for desktop usage
[09:52] <_douglas> can someone perhaps tell me how to get kvlc working?
[09:53] <oculus-amd64> _douglas: there is no kvlc
[09:54] <_douglas> oh
[09:54] <_douglas> is there a qt interface to vlc?
[09:55] <oculus-amd64> _douglas: i don't think so, but you can let your gtk apps look like qt ones
[09:56] <_douglas> I know, but that's just not the same
[09:57] <_douglas> hrm... because xine screws up on .mov, mplayer messes up something, I can't remember, and vlc seems to do okay but it messes up sometimes on wmv, but I like vlc
[10:00] <rodrigo> why some programs simply don't appear in start menu after we install them.
[10:00] <rodrigo> ?
[10:00] <raingrove> u mean the K menu?
[10:00] <raingrove> u would have to add them urself then.
[10:01] <rodrigo> I have installed kedit. Pretty much KDE. But it did show up.
[10:01] <raingrove> it did or it didnt?
[10:01] <rodrigo> sorry didn't
[10:02] <rodrigo> I came from an ubuntu and I modified to KDE.
[10:02] <rodrigo> Gnome sux
[10:02] <rodrigo> But I had this ubuntu 5.04 cd around.
[10:03] <rodrigo> Now I am considering to download Kubuntu
[10:03] <raingrove> oh
[10:04] <raingrove> u are using Gnome?
[10:04] <rodrigo> No
[10:04] <raingrove> what are you using now?
[10:04] <rodrigo> I uninstalled it.
[10:04] <raingrove> i installed kedit and it showed up fine in the K menu
[10:04] <rodrigo> Ubuntu with KDE packs
[10:04] <henrym> have you installed kubuntu-desktop?
[10:04] <rodrigo> yes
[10:05] <apokryphos> packs don't have menu entries in the k-menu because (i) it's specifically selected for their entries to be hidden, (ii) the package wasn't built with one
[10:05] <rodrigo> I see
[10:05] <raingrove> did u install using apt-get? or k/synaptic or adept?
[10:05] <rodrigo> synaptic
[10:06] <apokryphos> rodrigo: what do you want an entry for?
[10:06] <raingrove> rodrigo/ i installed kedit using adept and the entry was generated fine
[10:06] <raingrove> i am sure it will work fine for synaptic too
[10:06] <raingrove> K menu->Utilities->Simple Text Editor (kedit)
[10:07] <rodrigo> Yes
[10:07] <rodrigo> What happened to Editor sub Menu?
[10:07] <rodrigo> I can swear they have it on KDE 3.2
[10:07] <rodrigo> lol
[10:08] <rodrigo> Don't you remember, guys?
[10:08] <rodrigo> Editors submenu on "All Applications"
[10:10] <libben> i want to use my downloaded icons for firefox
[10:10] <raingrove> rodrigo, i dont know man. i am on 3.4 now
[10:10] <raingrove> 3.4.3
[10:10] <libben> i cant copy the folders into /usr/share/icons/hicolor and im doing it with sudo
[10:10] <libben> whys that
[10:10] <libben> any1
[10:10] <raingrove> what's the error message
[10:11] <rodrigo> What do you guys suggest? Should I download the candidate or keep the stable 5.04? Once I am going to download Kubuntu anyway, today.
[10:12] <raingrove> well up to you
[10:12] <raingrove> 5.10RC is pretty ok
[10:12] <raingrove> since u are going to update anyway, so why not download 5.10RC
[10:12] <raingrove> the amount of packages that need to be upgraded may be less
[10:12] <raingrove> er
[10:13] <rodrigo> thx, rain!
[10:13] <rodrigo> Do you have it yourself?
[10:14] <asraniel> rodrigo: im new to kubuntu, and i installed the rc, its great
[10:15] <rodrigo> Oh! That sounds great.  I am loving this distribution as well. I have Ubuntu 5.04.
[10:16] <rodrigo> I had a terrible time with Debian.
[10:16] <asraniel> i come from mandriva
[10:16] <_jerome> hello
[10:17] <rodrigo> It might sound weird but I can have fun from trying to find the best distro for me. :)
[10:18] <_jerome> hi! how can I get separate windows rather than tabs with Konqueror?
[10:20] <apokryphos> _jerome: Settings -> Configure Konqueror
[10:20] <rodrigo> Go Settings->Configure Konquer -> Web Behavior
[10:20] <rodrigo> Tabbed browsing
[10:20] <rodrigo> uncheck "open links in new tab"
[10:22] <raingrove> rodrigo, yes i am running breezy , upgraded from 5.04
[10:25] <elvirolo> does anyone know how to update my menu entries ?
[10:25] <elvirolo> some entries don't appear
[10:26] <apokryphos> they should update automatically
[10:26] <apokryphos> a package will not have menu entries in the k-menu because (i) it's specifically selected for their entries to be hidden, (ii) the package wasn't built with one
[10:27] <Theron> Ho do I setup my dual monitors to work in X?
[10:32] <rodrigo> There's something I am concerned about. Why is enough to give my user passwd to open an Admin Tool like Synaptic? Shouldn't it ask for root's passwd?
[10:33] <henrym> it's just the way that (K)Ubuntu is set up
[10:33] <raingrove> because ur user belongs to admin group
[10:33] <henrym> root account is disabled, I guess someone decided it was simpler that way
[10:33] <raingrove> nope
[10:34] <raingrove> it's more secure that way.
[10:35] <MachineScrew> how can i get konquer back to the way it used to be
[10:35] <rodrigo> I see. But after all Admin Users weren't made to be navigating internet and using user stuff, were they?
[10:35] <MachineScrew> the spatail thing agervates me
[10:35] <Chousuke> rodrigo: the user is not an admin unless he invoked the almighty sudo.
[10:36] <MachineScrew> I want the quick links pane the tree and the main icon windows
[10:37] <MachineScrew> btw I am in breezy
[10:38] <MachineScrew> any one know how I can get konqueror to open the kde default instead of the kubuntu default
[10:40] <raingrove> what?
[10:47] <elvirolo> ideas anyone ?
[10:48] <Riddell> elvirolo: they should update by themselves, else run  kbuildsycoca
[10:49] <elvirolo> Riddell: well, strangely, they don't ... i've tried everything from a rm -fr ~/.kde to reinstalling the system, and i've always had the problem
[10:50] <apokryphos> elvirolo: well, what application?
[10:50] <elvirolo> apokryphos: what do you mean ? what entry is missing ?
[10:50] <apokryphos> if menu entries were set to be hidden removing/moving .kde wouldn't do anything
[10:50] <apokryphos> elvirolo: yes
[10:51] <elvirolo> apokryphos: well, kmail, konversation, krdc ....
[10:52] <Riddell> elvirolo: kmail is set to be hidden (kontact is there instead), konversation, krdc should be there
[10:52] <apokryphos> kmail is deliberate I believe, konversation should appear there, krdc I'm not sure
[10:53] <elvirolo> Riddell: well, kontact is missing too
[10:53] <zyn> hmm
[10:53] <Riddell> elvirolo: do you have the files /usr/bin/kontact and /usr/share/applications/kde/Kontact.desktop
[10:54] <zyn> has anyone noticed that the opengl screensavers only draw on the top 1/3 of the screen after updating to the release candidate?
[10:54] <elvirolo> Riddell: yup, both of them
[10:56] <chavo> elvirolo, kontact is under  -> Office submenu here
[10:56] <chavo> but I just leave it running all the time anyway
[10:57] <elvirolo> chavo : nope don't have it
[10:57] <elvirolo> i'll add the entries manually ....
[10:57] <elvirolo> ah, something else
[10:57] <chavo> elvirolo, that's odd. look in ~/.config/menus also
[10:58] <apokryphos> elvirolo: if it really isn't there can you pastebin the contents of /usr/share/applications/kde/Kontact.desktop?
[10:58] <elvirolo> when kde 3.5 beta2 will be out, are there any plans of making packages for the whole of KDE rather than just the base packages ? that said, the current packages are great
[10:59] <elvirolo> chavo: there's stuff in there ~/.config/menus
[11:00] <raingrove> zyn/ it doesnt happen here. check if u are getting 3d hardware acceleration
[11:00] <chavo> elvirolo, try renaming or removing the menus directory
[11:01] <MachineScrew> any one know how I can get konqueror to open the kde default instead of the kubuntu default
[11:01] <elvirolo> chavo: ok thanks :)
[11:01] <elvirolo> and, third thing
[11:01] <elvirolo> i compiled & installed the kionjb kioslave, but it doesn't show up
[11:01] <chavo> MachineScrew, and what exactly is kde default, I don't recall
[11:02] <elvirolo> do i have to specify a particular install path ?
[11:02] <apokryphos> yes, /usr
[11:02] <elvirolo> which isn't default ?
[11:02] <chavo> elvirolo, you can use --prefix /usr argumnet to configure, also set KDEDIR=/usr
[11:02] <elvirolo> ok thanks a lot :)
[11:02] <apokryphos> elvirolo: default for kde apps is using --prefix
[11:02] <chavo> elvirolo, /usr/local is default
[11:03] <Riddell> MachineScrew: for what?
[11:03] <chavo> for most apps you compile from source
[11:03] <apokryphos> chavo: KDEDIR is technically obsolete; KDEDIRS now
[11:04] <chavo> MachineScrew, hit F9 to open the sidebar in konqueror
[11:04] <zyn> raingrove: i do have hardware acceleration... the upsetting thing is that it worked yesterday before i updated to the release candidate
[11:05] <Riddell> elvirolo: there are plans for kde 3.5 beta 2, whether or not they happen depends on whether my amd64 gets fixed
[11:05] <elvirolo> ok
[11:05] <elvirolo> cause i'm currently using kopete svn which is great
[11:05] <CzarAlex> how do I disble the KOrganizer Alarm Daemon from starting when i boot my system? I unchecked the "Start Alarm Client at Login" and restart, but its always there. Suggestions?
[11:06] <elvirolo> butn i'd prefer to have a nice package :)
[11:06] <raingrove> zyn: that's strange. it works fine here. kubuntu 5.10 RC too
[11:06] <elvirolo> looks like kubuntu breezy's gonna be a great distro ... it's a pity there still some very annoying bugs though
[11:06] <zyn> figure
[11:07] <zyn> s,$,s,
[11:07] <MachineScrew> chavo: sorry
[11:07] <MachineScrew> chavo: the side bar and the tree then the icons
[11:08] <chavo> MachineScrew, click on the folder icon in the sidebar, it will give you the tree
[11:08] <MachineScrew> chavo: now how do i save this view
[11:08] <MachineScrew> chavo: make it default
[11:09] <chavo> MachineScrew, go to Settings and save the profile
[11:09] <chavo> then make a launcer that opens that profile
[11:09] <MachineScrew> ok I just saved it as the Kubuntu File Manager
[11:10] <MachineScrew> chavo: that crap was buging me
[11:10] <chavo> now make a launcer that opens -> kfmclient openProfile Kubuntu File Manager
[11:11] <MachineScrew> chavo: any way to get Adept sys tray icon thing
[11:11] <chavo> not sure if the spaces will work without escaping or putting them in quotes though
[11:11] <chavo> never used adept
[11:11] <MachineScrew> its awsome
[11:12] <CzarAlex> whats the console command to check the dist version I have?
[11:12] <MachineScrew> it seems better than kynaptic
[11:12] <chavo> I use command line or synaptic
[11:12] <MachineScrew> still not as good as synaptic
[11:12] <MachineScrew> but usable
[11:13] <MachineScrew> ya if I know what pakage i need command line if i have lots to install adept
[11:13] <zyn> is there a way to 
[11:13] <zyn> bah
[11:14] <zyn> is there a way to "undo" an upgrade?
[11:14] <MachineScrew> I have heard there is a problem with kde and Digital cameras recently
[11:14] <MachineScrew> zyn: like a roll back
[11:14] <zyn> basically, yes
[11:14] <MachineScrew> zyn: reboot with the cd and reinstall
[11:14] <gelberg> hi all, new here, have just installed ubuntu hoary, installed kubuntu-desktop, and am currently in aptitude de-gnome'ising my box.  is there a kde equivalent for the update-notifier package?
[11:15] <zyn> machine: i'll take that as a no :)
[11:15] <MachineScrew> zyn: no there is no easy way
[11:16] <MachineScrew> gelberg: the update manager in kubuntu breezy is adept but currently for both distros there is no update-notifier thingy
[11:17] <MachineScrew> gelberg: just be a good linux user and run sudo apt-get upgrade every so offten
[11:17] <gelberg> MachineScrew, i'm confused. still on hoary here. there is a package called update-notifier, but it depends on gnome :(
[11:17] <MachineScrew> or use synaptic
[11:17] <gelberg> MachineScrew, i would. my boxes are all debian. this is for my parents and they ain't sudo'ing :)
[11:18] <MachineScrew> gelberg: they will need to use GNOME or use synaptic or kynaptic 
[11:18] <gelberg> MachineScrew, ok, thanks
[11:18] <MachineScrew> gelberg: the update notifier for adept i think is beeing worked on
[11:19] <gelberg> another question. is hal useful without a gnome desktop?  is it even part of a kubuntu install?  is gnome part of a kubuntu install?
[11:19] <gelberg> !botabuse
[11:19] <ubotu> You can play with me on #debian-bots without being banned.
[11:19] <gelberg> !adept
[11:19] <ubotu> Adept (successor of Kapture) is a package manager for Kubuntu. See http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html
[11:21] <chavo> gelberg, KDE can use hal also
[11:22] <gelberg> chavo, ok. is it generally desirable? i'm afraid i'm not familiar with all this stuff.  i use mount.  :)
[11:22] <slow-motion> n8
[11:22] <gelberg> put another way, what does it _do_ apt-cache show isn't revealing
[11:22] <chavo> gelberg, it's probably required as a dependency
[11:27] <rikva> After installing Breezy, my media:/ KIOslave doesn't really work anymore. It doesn't show my USB disks. any suggestions?
[11:28] <gelberg> !universe
[11:28] <ubotu> ask me about !repositories
[11:28] <gelberg> can i msg this bot? not working for me
[11:28] <gelberg> !repositories
[11:28] <ubotu> it has been said that sources is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[11:29] <MachineScrew> rikva: as of 11th usb stuff is broken 
[11:29] <MachineScrew> rikva: no known fix yet
[11:30] <rikva> MachineScrew: what do you mean with 'as of 11th' ? :)
[11:31] <MachineScrew> rikva: i looked on the kubuntu forums and alot of people are having problems with it starting around the 11th of Oct
[11:31] <rikva> Ok, hmmm. Thanks.
[11:32] <MachineScrew> rikva: i just installed kubuntu breezy and having the same problem
[11:32] <rikva> MachineScrew: I hope it will be fixed before the actual release
[11:33] <MachineScrew> rikva: it should
[11:37] <p01n7bl4nk> someone please take thier time to tell me if their is a command that will output my external ip address
[11:37] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Which is tommorow? Or later?
[11:37] <p01n7bl4nk> :-S
[11:40] <BlankB> p01n7bl4nk: what are you trying to determine again?
[11:40] <p01n7bl4nk> my external ip address
[11:40] <buz> is there a possibility that thunderbird got broken over the last few days?
[11:40] <BlankB> what do you mean by external?
[11:40] <buz> i get xul errors when trying to add attachments?
[11:40] <MachineScrew> p01n7bl4nk: www.whatsmyip.com
[11:40] <p01n7bl4nk> my public address
[11:40] <p01n7bl4nk> i know
[11:40] <p01n7bl4nk> and: www.ipchicken.com
[11:41] <p01n7bl4nk> but i want to know is thre is a command that will tell me
[11:41] <p01n7bl4nk> if*
[11:41] <BlankB> ifconfig 
[11:41] <BlankB> But I wouldnt think of that as an external ip address.
[11:45] <BlankB> Will kubuntu breezy come out at the same time as ubuntu breezy?
[11:45] <apokryphos> yes
[11:45] <BlankB> Keen.
[11:46] <apokryphos> wow, Breezy release parties
[11:46] <apokryphos> this is tempting
[11:47] <MachineScrew> any one know if there is a fix to the kio slaves in Kubuntu Breezy ?
[11:48] <buz> party? where
[11:50] <apokryphos> buz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseParty
[11:50] <buz> none near m
[11:50] <buz> e
[11:51] <apokryphos> :(
[11:57] <apokryphos> good idea to take note of http://fridge.ubuntu.com/ -- interesting info often
[12:00] <ryman> HI!!!!! I need help! swe if possible! =/
[12:01] <ryman> HELP! HELP! HELP!
[12:01] <ryman> plz! someone!
[12:02] <insanekane> ?
[12:02] <ryman> I got a big problem
[12:02] <insanekane> ryman: it might be easier to find help., if you state what the problem is ...