| HiddenWolf | yup | 12:02 |
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| HiddenWolf | http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3001 | 12:02 |
| HiddenWolf | why? strings got dumped? | 12:02 |
| zyga | HiddenWolf: 21 updated, 0 new -> needs extra 61,4KB | 12:02 |
| zyga | strange | 12:03 |
| HiddenWolf | see the paste | 12:03 |
| zyga | hmm | 12:03 |
| zyga | this is the final update before the release | 12:03 |
| Kamion | HiddenWolf: a lot of unnecessary images were removed from ubuntu-docs | 12:03 |
| HiddenWolf | Kamion, _images_ | 12:04 |
| HiddenWolf | 26mb of images? | 12:04 |
| Kamion | HiddenWolf: yes. the difference comes to about 30MB | 12:04 |
| Kamion | according to Installed-Size: | 12:04 |
| HiddenWolf | Kamion, *unk* | 12:05 |
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| Kamion | was very useful for live CD space freeage | 12:05 |
| HiddenWolf | Kamion, what kind of images are we talking? | 12:06 |
| Kamion | HiddenWolf: lots of .png files that weren't referenced by the documentation (according to jbailey) | 12:06 |
| Kamion | screenshots, by the look of it | 12:06 |
| HiddenWolf | Kamion, oops | 12:07 |
| Kamion | -rw-r--r-- root/root 1311123 2005-08-31 17:00:08 ./usr/share/ubuntu-docs/gnome/images/C/stones.png | 12:07 |
| Kamion | -rw-r--r-- root/root 546775 2005-08-31 17:00:08 ./usr/share/ubuntu-docs/gnome/images/C/ubuntubugzilla.png | 12:07 |
| Kamion | -rw-r--r-- root/root 461365 2005-08-31 17:00:08 ./usr/share/ubuntu-docs/gnome/images/C/evolution-calendar.png | 12:07 |
| Kamion | -rw-r--r-- root/root 768240 2005-08-31 17:00:08 ./usr/share/ubuntu-docs/gnome/images/C/aisleriot.png | 12:07 |
| Kamion | that sort of thing | 12:07 |
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| HiddenWolf | Glad to be rid of it _before_ release | 12:07 |
| Kamion | they were in the docteam svn, possibly for web-published docs - dunno exactly | 12:07 |
| HiddenWolf | that's a couple of gigs bandwith saved. :) | 12:08 |
| HiddenWolf | mdz, Kamion be nice, post a abc to -devel-list tellling me how I can rsync an ubuntu-daily to final when it's out, then seed it, please. | 12:09 |
| mdz | Kamion: ready to approve d-i? | 12:10 |
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| Kamion | mdz: I'll push a cron.daily first to make sure sparc has this kbd-chooser upload | 12:12 |
| Kamion | but otherwise, yes | 12:12 |
| Kamion | will do it in a few minutes | 12:12 |
| Kamion | hppa is out of time for kbd-chooser and can live with the old version; the udeb is the same anyway | 12:13 |
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| Riddell | what is the OEM install mode? | 12:20 |
| Kamion | Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OEMInstaller | 12:22 |
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| mdz | Kamion: there is some serious crack in ubuntu-docs | 12:33 |
| mdz | it is going to need attention post-release | 12:33 |
| ogra | Kamion, mdz, i suppose a edubuntu-meta upload for the python-opengl chane is ok ? | 12:34 |
| ogra | *change | 12:34 |
| mdz | one of the "frequently asked questions" about installing packages is "How to backup/restore downloaded repositories cache?" | 12:34 |
| ogra | lol | 12:34 |
| mdz | ogra: only if your CD is overflowing | 12:34 |
| ogra | mdz, its a ripoff from ubuntuguide.org ... | 12:34 |
| mdz | the section on installing packages talks about apt-get and synaptic but not gnome-app-install | 12:35 |
| ogra | mdz, mine arent :) edubuntu is fine, i just wanted to syncronize | 12:35 |
| mdz | ogra: what's this about a 10-minute gimp job as the default edubuntu background? | 12:40 |
| ogra | mdz, the former background was a placeholder, people seemed to like it | 12:41 |
| ogra | but there was complaint in #edubuntu that it wasnt coulorful enough, the current one is http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/13 | 12:42 |
| wasabi | There a better way to make a chroot Ubuntu install than debootstrap? Perhaps some post-debootstrap thing to run to do the basic configuration | 12:42 |
| wasabi | /etc/modules, oem-config, etc? | 12:42 |
| wasabi | guess my only idea is to install oem-style into a vmware and copy that to a chroot. =/ | 12:43 |
| zyga | ogra: is there any *.ubuntu.com map? | 12:43 |
| ogra | zyga, ?? | 12:43 |
| zyga | ogra: I've just learned about art.ubuntu.com | 12:44 |
| ogra | ah | 12:44 |
| Kamion | wasabi: no, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/apcs04.html is the standard approach, involving debootstrap | 12:44 |
| ogra | zyga, feel free to investigate and make one on the wiki ;) | 12:44 |
| Kamion | wasabi: oem-config has quite a narrow range of uses at present, although they may be expanded in the future | 12:44 |
| wasabi | yeah | 12:44 |
| wasabi | I just want some friendly "please enter your hostname" on boot. | 12:48 |
| Kamion | elmo: please sync putty from Debian (fixes build failure with gcc 4.0) | 12:49 |
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| Kamion | elmo: thanks | 01:02 |
| Riddell | Kamion: kubuntu live CDs still in progress? | 01:06 |
| Kamion | Riddell: yes | 01:07 |
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| Riddell | Kamion: quite a difference in dsize there. do you think we'll revert to the i386 winfoss or should I adjust for this new size? | 01:22 |
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| mdz | Riddell: er, you intend this kdebase for 5.10? | 01:25 |
| doko | mdz: please could you answer to the zope/plone sync email from Monday? | 01:26 |
| mdz | doko: at first glance it was a whole bunch of new upstream versions that I could not hope to review, and we could not hope to QA, in 24 hours | 01:26 |
| Riddell | mdz: yes please | 01:26 |
| mdz | Riddell: you realize this means all new livefs builds as well? | 01:27 |
| Riddell | mdz: yeah, but I think we'll get as lot of complaints if it doesn't use anti-aliases fonts | 01:27 |
| mdz | Riddell: at this point we are only stopping for real showstoppers | 01:27 |
| Riddell | I consider it one | 01:28 |
| mdz | Riddell: if it's safe and important, it can be considered for breezy-updates after the release | 01:28 |
| Kamion | Riddell: I don't think there's room to switch back; you'd need an extra >10MB | 01:28 |
| Kamion | Riddell: let's just leave it as it is | 01:28 |
| Riddell | Kamion: ok | 01:28 |
| mdz | Riddell: is it a regression? when did it regress? there isn't even a bug open about it | 01:29 |
| mdz | Riddell: is this fallout from 3.4.3? | 01:29 |
| doko | mdz: these were subminor versions, partly needed for plone-2.1. I can go over them again, but please approve the other ones | 01:29 |
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| Riddell | mdz: yes, it was a typo in converting the patch for 3.4.3 | 01:29 |
| mdz | doko: you didn't provide justification for any of these | 01:30 |
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| goonie | I'm sorry to post a user problem, but could someone help me repairing my Grub installation, please? (Error 17) | 01:33 |
| Riddell | mdz: how frozen are we? I still have to adjust the language packs for size on some of the CDs | 01:33 |
| mdz | Riddell: we are VERY VERY FROZEN | 01:33 |
| doko | mdz: you did agree to these on 09/14, if uploaded on 09/15. kobold did send the sync list on 09/16. | 01:34 |
| Riddell | mdz: so we have to leave these CDs oversized? | 01:34 |
| ogra | Riddell, will you adjust the size up or down ? up affects edubuntu | 01:34 |
| ogra | ah, ok | 01:34 |
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| Riddell | ogra: how would it affect eubuntu? | 01:34 |
| mdz | doko: if I approved them for 09/15, they needed to go in on 09/15 | 01:35 |
| ogra | Riddell, if you size it up, my CDs get bigger | 01:35 |
| mdz | that was a month ago | 01:35 |
| mdz | it's now the day before release | 01:35 |
| Riddell | ogra: why? it's only the kubuntu seeds | 01:35 |
| ogra | Riddell, you said you'd change the language packs, you didnt talk about seeds :) | 01:36 |
| Riddell | language packs in the seeds | 01:36 |
| ogra | yes, got that now :) | 01:36 |
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| mdz | doko: if it's safe enough that you feel it could be uploaded the day before release, you can propose it for breezy-updates after release | 01:38 |
| mdz | that is the level of freeze we are in right now | 01:39 |
| mdz | Riddell: which of your CDs are oversized? | 01:39 |
| Kamion | mdz: only the install CDs; quick ship changes would probably do the trick | 01:40 |
| Kamion | oh, no, powerpc/live too | 01:40 |
| doko | mdz: ok, will do | 01:40 |
| Riddell | mdz: powerpc live and amd64 install | 01:40 |
| Kamion | Riddell: amd64 install is easy to fix without archive changes | 01:41 |
| Riddell | Kamion: what needs done? | 01:41 |
| mdz | Kamion: did you work the same powerpc initrd magic for kubuntu that you did for ubuntu? | 01:41 |
| Kamion | remove 'amd64' from language packs for less-popular languages in ship | 01:41 |
| Kamion | (in the seed) | 01:41 |
| Riddell | that was my plan | 01:42 |
| Kamion | mdz: yes, that change was global | 01:42 |
| mdz | Kamion: or perhaps the cloop needs to be reset? | 01:42 |
| Kamion | mdz: powerpc doesn't need that - partimage works fine there | 01:42 |
| mdz | oh, amd64/install and powerpc/live, not the other way around ;-) | 01:42 |
| Kamion | yes | 01:42 |
| Kamion | kubuntu/amd64/live has been reset | 01:42 |
| mdz | and is still oversized? ick | 01:43 |
| mdz | can we trim winfoss? | 01:43 |
| Kamion | no, amd64/live is not oversized | 01:43 |
| Kamion | only amd64/install | 01:43 |
| Kamion | that one is easily dealt with by trimming language packs | 01:43 |
| mdz | why is powerpc/live larger than amd64/live? | 01:44 |
| mdz | isn't it the reverse for ubuntu? | 01:44 |
| Kamion | language packs again | 01:44 |
| mdz | argh | 01:44 |
| Kamion | fixing that will require an archive change | 01:44 |
| Kamion | sorry I didn't notice that earlier; I was busy fixing lots of other images ;-) | 01:44 |
| mdz | it's Riddell's responsibility to monitor the kubuntu images | 01:45 |
| mdz | and ogra's to monitor edubuntu | 01:45 |
| mdz | an oversized kubuntu/powerpc is not necessarily a showstopper | 01:46 |
| Kamion | indeed | 01:46 |
| mdz | I don't think anyone plans to press aluminum ones | 01:46 |
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| mdz | let's go ahead with it unless we find something worse | 01:48 |
| mdz | this new ubuntu breezy-live-amd64 is going to take ages to download | 01:50 |
| mdz | I'm getting <200k/sec from cdimage | 01:50 |
| Riddell | should I adjust ship for the oversized amd64 CD? | 01:50 |
| Kamion | Riddell: yes | 01:50 |
| Kamion | subtract Size: fields of .debs from the image size, starting from the bottom of the list, until you get to a bit less than 650MB (safety margin) | 01:51 |
| Kamion | then remove all of those from amd64 | 01:52 |
| Riddell | ok | 01:52 |
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| dholbach | i'm off to bed, see you in a couple of hours | 02:00 |
| mvo | good night dho | 02:00 |
| mvo | good night dholbach | 02:00 |
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| elmo | do I want to process this d-i? | 02:01 |
| elmo | Kamion/mdz: ^-- | 02:02 |
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| mdz | elmo: I thought Kamion had done it already...if not, maybe he has a reason for waiting | 02:02 |
| mdz | Kamion: so this current CD build is not final anyway, then? | 02:03 |
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| Kamion | elmo: yes, please do | 02:03 |
| Kamion | sorry, forgot to handle it | 02:03 |
| Kamion | mdz: the CD build that's happening right now is a cronned Edubuntu build | 02:03 |
| mdz | Kamion: I mean the ubuntu build which is currently on cdimage | 02:03 |
| Kamion | correct | 02:03 |
| mdz | the one I'm downloading now, with the non-rsyncable amd64 livefs | 02:04 |
| Kamion | we won't be seriously breaking rsyncability from now to release | 02:04 |
| mvo | the current image (20051011.1) is not the final one? no sense in testing it now? | 02:05 |
| Kamion | it is certainly worth testing | 02:05 |
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| elmo | done | 02:05 |
| Kamion | mvo: don't bother testing OEM installations with that image, because a fair bit has changed there, but other than that there are few changes left | 02:06 |
| Kamion | elmo: thanks | 02:06 |
| Riddell | Kamion: done | 02:06 |
| mvo | I'm doing a expert install, it asks me for a root pw. is that intended (I guess so)? | 02:06 |
| Kamion | mvo: yes, and it's always been that way | 02:07 |
| mvo | ok | 02:07 |
| Kamion | elmo: I wouldn't object if you were to nuke breezy's daily-installer-*, either | 02:07 |
| Kamion | there will be no more daily d-i builds there | 02:08 |
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| elmo | ok\ | 02:08 |
| elmo | what about the last two d-i uploads? still want them? | 02:08 |
| Kamion | and we may as well free that gigabyte of archive space | 02:09 |
| Kamion | elmo: 17 can go, leave 18 for now | 02:09 |
| Kamion | mdz: FYI, all cdimage cron jobs disabled from now to breezy release | 02:12 |
| Kamion | I'll set off a sequence of builds after the currently-running build completes, and then go to bed | 02:13 |
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| karthik085 | I tested today's image and it passed all desktop tests | 02:19 |
| mdz | Kamion: ok, I'll get those down and see how they look | 02:19 |
| mdz | karthik085: thank you | 02:19 |
| karthik085 | Where should | 02:20 |
| karthik085 | I indicate the status? | 02:20 |
| mdz | karthik085: I'll take care of it, thanks | 02:20 |
| karthik085 | Ok. Thanks. later | 02:20 |
| Kamion | elmo: can you chase up the language-pack OODs in http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/breezy_outdate.txt? | 02:21 |
| Kamion | elmo: [urgent for CD builds] | 02:22 |
| Kamion | infinity: alternatively, if you're around ... | 02:23 |
| mdz | probably not; he's been gone <7 hours I think | 02:24 |
| elmo | en-mass given back | 02:24 |
| elmo | the first one I looked at had, silly buildd vs. archive race crap, so I'm asuming that's the problem for all of them | 02:24 |
| Kamion | elmo: thanks | 02:24 |
| Kamion | elmo: yeah, that happened in the last l-p-* batch too | 02:24 |
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| mvo | Kamion: does 20051011.1 contains the latest german langpack? or will it be part of the next build? | 02:26 |
| Kamion | mvo: the .list files should tell you | 02:27 |
| Kamion | breezy-install-i386.list:/pool/main/l/language-pack-de/language-pack-de_20050930_all.deb | 02:27 |
| Kamion | looks like not | 02:27 |
| mvo | Kamion: ok, next build I guess? otherwise the expert install worked fine (just completed the desktop tests | 02:29 |
| Kamion | mvo: next build, yes | 02:29 |
| Kamion | mvo: thanks, that's good to know | 02:29 |
| mvo | Kamion: should I add this result to the BreezyTestPlan wiki yet? or will we start with that tomorrow? | 02:30 |
| Kamion | I think we should probably start with that once we really have candidate images | 02:31 |
| elmo | I think most, if not all, will make this cron.daily | 02:31 |
| elmo | Kamion: ^-- l-p | 02:31 |
| Kamion | elmo: all, by the looks of it | 02:31 |
| Kamion | thanks for that | 02:31 |
| ogra | yeah, edubuntu isos look good :) | 02:36 |
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| Kamion | cdimage@little:~$ for-project ubuntu cron.daily; for-project ubuntu cron.daily-live; for-project kubuntu cron.daily; for-project kubuntu cron.daily-live; for-project edubuntu cron.daily; for-project ubuntu-server cron.daily | 02:43 |
| mdz | Kamion: thanks | 02:43 |
| Kamion | mdz: all primary image builds queued up; I'm off to bed, feel free to kill those cdimage processes and restart if they run amok for some reason | 02:44 |
| mdz | Kamion: I'll test those and kick off dvd builds after | 02:44 |
| Kamion | perfect | 02:45 |
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| Kamion | mdz: btw, you have an ancient tail -f process running on little | 02:46 |
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| wasabi | great. at some point my rear surround volume disappeared from g-v-c | 02:48 |
| wasabi | oh cool something to add it. ;) | 02:49 |
| elmo | (Kamion: did they fix your router then?) | 02:52 |
| wasabi | haha and on 2.6.12-9 my monitor turns itself off randomlly with the ATI driver. | 02:53 |
| wasabi | breezy is going to be fun. ;) | 02:53 |
| ogra | wasabi, do you have gnome-screensaver installed from an old upgrade we switched to it for some days... the symptom sounds familiar | 02:55 |
| wasabi | hmm might | 02:55 |
| wasabi | yes, do. | 02:56 |
| wasabi | oh cool this power management stuff i just noticed is niec | 02:56 |
| wasabi | nice | 02:56 |
| ogra | remove it ... or if you want to keep it, adjust the dpms setting in configuration editor... | 02:56 |
| wasabi | Just going to remove it. It never worked with my pam setup anyways. | 02:56 |
| wasabi | Every time it came up I had to switch to VT1 and kill it... but I kept being too lazy to remove it. | 02:57 |
| ogra | the first upstrem version had a dpms setting to switch the monitor off after 10 mins... :) | 02:57 |
| wasabi | Well, it turns off WHile I'm Using It. | 02:57 |
| wasabi | But comes back in about 4 seconds. | 02:57 |
| ogra | yup, it was buggy | 02:57 |
| wasabi | Oh heh | 02:57 |
| ogra | should be solved in recent versions... | 02:58 |
| wasabi | good to know that was the problem though | 02:58 |
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| ogra | mdz, the xscreensaver fix was already in the archive before d-i doesnt that mean it gets on the current CD ? | 03:05 |
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| mdz | ogra: version number? | 03:14 |
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| ogra | ubuntu17 | 03:14 |
| ogra | xscreensaver 4.21-4ubuntu17 | 03:14 |
| mdz | ogra: ARGH | 03:15 |
| mdz | it is in the archive but not on the current livefs | 03:16 |
| mdz | so we are out of sync again | 03:16 |
| mdz | I thought Kamion was doing a new livefs build | 03:16 |
| ogra | oh, the livefs wont be rebuild... damn.. | 03:16 |
| ogra | does it nee d-i ? | 03:16 |
| ogra | *need | 03:16 |
| mdz | has nothing to do with d-i | 03:16 |
| ogra | i thought the new builds were caused by it | 03:16 |
| mdz | the livefs and d-i are completely independent | 03:17 |
| ogra | yes | 03:17 |
| mdz | well now we are forced to rebuild it and we lose a few more hours | 03:17 |
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| ogra | sorry, i didnt know that... | 03:18 |
| mdz | not your fault, I wouldn't have approved the upload if I realized there wasn't a livefs build pending | 03:18 |
| mdz | I should have left it for breezy-updates | 03:19 |
| ogra | yes... :/ | 03:20 |
| wickedpuppy | could i report a bug here ? or should i send it to bugzilla ?? | 03:21 |
| ogra | wickedpuppy, bugzilla | 03:21 |
| wickedpuppy | okie | 03:22 |
| ogra | except it could block the release which must be a really really serious bug | 03:22 |
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| sistpoty | gn8 folks | 03:41 |
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| dhonn | whats with my computers the System > About Ubuntu errors on all my systems! | 03:53 |
| elmo | dhonn: update, it's fixed | 03:53 |
| bddebian | Heya elmo | 03:54 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: got breezy reinstalled? | 03:56 |
| bddebian | Just finished burning the CD | 03:56 |
| wasabi | is there a possible way to install a package unconfigured? | 03:59 |
| wasabi | with apt. | 03:59 |
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| ajmitch | wasabi: I guess you're wanting something similar to crosshurd, are you? | 04:01 |
| wasabi | depends what that is. ;) | 04:01 |
| ajmitch | sets up a chroot (a partition usually), and I think it leaves the configuring step until first boot | 04:02 |
| ajmitch | I haven't used it in a long time though | 04:02 |
| wasabi | Hmmm | 04:03 |
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| LaschW | Is there a BreezyTestPlan for OEM-Install? | 04:28 |
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| mdz | LaschW: I thought I saw Kamion add something to the wiki today | 04:57 |
| mdz | ah, it's in the release notes | 04:58 |
| mdz | LaschW: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseNotes | 04:58 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 04:58 |
| jsgotangco | mdz, can you review the notes before i ask jbailey to add it to the distro? | 04:58 |
| mdz | jsgotangco: it's too late | 04:59 |
| jsgotangco | oh ok..so its frozen | 04:59 |
| mdz | yeah, I sent a release status update to -devel earlier | 04:59 |
| mdz | we're in the very final freeze | 04:59 |
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| mdz | is there a link from the existing release notes to the wiki version so we can continue to update it? | 05:00 |
| mdz | well, we can always continue to update it, but it would be nice to have a quick link there for dapper if we don't already | 05:00 |
| jsgotangco | we don't have anything in the distro | 05:00 |
| mdz | for dapper maybe it should just be a link | 05:01 |
| mdz | since the release notes tend to get edited very close to (and after) the release | 05:02 |
| mdz | especially errata | 05:02 |
| mdz | one of the things we use the release notes for is to document issues that are discovered too late to be fixed | 05:02 |
| mdz | which by definition means it's too late to update the release notes as well ;-) | 05:02 |
| jsgotangco | yeah but that would mean a user should be online just to read the notes | 05:02 |
| mdz | there isn't much we can do about that; changing the release notes in .deb form on the CD requires a complete livefs and CD rebuild which takes hours | 05:03 |
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| mdz | and then another test cycle | 05:03 |
| mdz | if we are to put a version on the CD, it'll only contain what we have ~7 days before release | 05:04 |
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| mdz | or at least 2-3 | 05:04 |
| jsgotangco | ok sounds good then next time we should just use a permalink i guess | 05:05 |
| mdz | we could include older release notes and have a link "go here for the latest release notes online" | 05:06 |
| mdz | we had a fairly reasonable start on the release notes as of RC; why didn't those get incorporated into the package? | 05:07 |
| jsgotangco | well it was my fault really, i didn't fix it up in time along with the omf so it wasn't uploaded along | 05:08 |
| mdz | I'll add it to the release checklist for next time | 05:08 |
| jsgotangco | the last upload of jbailey had fixed a lot of the translations or so... | 05:09 |
| elmo | OK, *.ubuntu.com, launchpad.net, etc. is going down for some emergency network maintenance - ETD is 10 minutes or so | 05:16 |
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| calc | hmm releases.ubuntulinux.org appears to be down | 05:28 |
| segfault | yeap, we know | 05:29 |
| calc | ok | 05:29 |
| jsgotangco | being fixed by elmo | 05:29 |
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| bslima | GnuKemist, hi | 05:41 |
| GnuKemist | sup dude? | 05:42 |
| GnuKemist | bslima, sup dude? | 05:42 |
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| bslima | still down ? | 05:42 |
| GnuKemist | bslima, believe so | 05:43 |
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| bslima | =/ | 05:43 |
| wasabi | yay | 05:49 |
| wasabi | up | 05:49 |
| Trashcan | yay :D | 05:51 |
| jsgotangco | crack fiends! :P | 05:51 |
| xhaker | why did planet went back a week or so? | 05:55 |
| xhaker | or should i say.. why did Stephen Herman get ontop like that.. | 05:56 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm | 05:58 |
| LaschW | mdz: Thanks, I'll have a look... | 05:58 |
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| wasabi | Ya know, a new type of dependency: Configure-Depends, would be nice. Packages required to configure the package, but not to use it. | 06:18 |
| wasabi | So I can install all this crap, but ditch perl because I have no need for it to USE the crap heh | 06:18 |
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| mdz | wasabi: then when the time came to upgrade the package, you'd need to reinstall all that stuff anyway | 06:19 |
| wasabi | yup | 06:19 |
| wasabi | but neverthe less, it would make building this embedded system easier. | 06:19 |
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| fabbione | morning | 06:24 |
| sivang | good morning fabbione | 06:25 |
| fabbione | mdz: how do we look? | 06:30 |
| ajmitch | hi fabbione | 06:31 |
| sivang | mdz: just took a look at BreezyTest plan, shouldn't we add something to test printing as well, "if appropriate hardware available" ? | 06:34 |
| mdz | fabbione: slow | 06:37 |
| mdz | fabbione: install is up, live is mirroring | 06:37 |
| Lathiat | whats this for? | 06:37 |
| fabbione | mdz: ok. i am rsyncing now | 06:37 |
| Lathiat | test isos for release? | 06:37 |
| mdz | yes, a first cut | 06:37 |
| Lathiat | ok | 06:38 |
| fabbione | mdz: go and get some rest, we will start the test plan asap. If there is any big issue i will drop a phone call | 06:38 |
| mdz | sivang: it's meant to be a very fast test. I have to do it 12 times for every test cycle | 06:38 |
| sivang | mdz: ah I see, understood. | 06:38 |
| mdz | fabbione: it is not even 2200 yet here | 06:38 |
| ajmitch | 20051012.1 is the image to grab? | 06:39 |
| mdz | I am going to test this set, and if it is good, I will bugger off for a while | 06:39 |
| fabbione | oh.. it's me a bit too early :) | 06:39 |
| mdz | ajmitch: daily -> 20051012.1, daily-live -> 20051012.2 | 06:39 |
| ajmitch | ok | 06:39 |
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| wasabi | my flash system boots to gdm + X now. ;) | 06:44 |
| wasabi | usplash is busted for some reason though. hmm | 06:45 |
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| fabbione | jdub: ping? | 07:07 |
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| spstarr | erm, did we forget to include libavformat and libavcodec packages in breezy? i only see the -dev ones im trying to port xvidcap 1.1.4-pre2 to ubuntu | 07:12 |
| spstarr | i know they come from ffmpeg | 07:12 |
| fabbione | mdz: did you also rebuild dvds? | 07:14 |
| mdz | fabbione: not yet, I will once kubuntu and edubuntu have CDs | 07:15 |
| fabbione | mdz: ok | 07:15 |
| mdz | amd64/live and powerpc/live OK here | 07:15 |
| fabbione | mdz: still resyncing i386.. burning i386 install and rsyncing mirror for netinstall | 07:16 |
| spstarr | it looks like we are missing it :( | 07:16 |
| wasabi | naw, i think they're all in the ffmpeg package | 07:17 |
| wasabi | for some reason | 07:17 |
| wasabi | or somewhere | 07:17 |
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| fabbione | spstarr: they are not shared libs | 07:18 |
| spstarr | should be? | 07:18 |
| fabbione | you get the devel to link static | 07:18 |
| fabbione | no, if the ABI is not stable | 07:18 |
| spstarr | hmm, so i need to build it as part of xvidcap..hmm | 07:18 |
| spstarr | _ugly_ | 07:18 |
| spstarr | that explains the failure in finding the .so | 07:19 |
| spstarr | /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.2/../../../../lib/libavcodec.a(h263.o): In function `ff_mpeg4_encode_video_packet_header': | 07:19 |
| spstarr | : undefined reference to `ff_log2_tab | 07:19 |
| spstarr | then why do we include the -dev is the lib ABI is changing? | 07:19 |
| fabbione | spstarr: -> #ubuntu | 07:20 |
| fabbione | we are in the middle of a release | 07:20 |
| fabbione | there is no time to look at this stuff | 07:20 |
| fabbione | not right now | 07:20 |
| spstarr | hmm, i'll make do with what i have i'd like to get this into next ubuntu | 07:21 |
| spstarr | xvidcap is rather useful | 07:21 |
| mdz | my powerpc test box is so b0rked | 07:21 |
| mdz | it has become progressively slower during the time I've had it | 07:21 |
| fabbione | mdz: my powerpc is so not here yet :/ | 07:22 |
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| ajmitch | ah, rsync at ~4K/sec is painful | 07:22 |
| mdz | it's now at a point where the desktop is becoming unusable on the live CD | 07:22 |
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| mdz | it takes about 3x as long to boot to the point of accessing the CD | 07:22 |
| fabbione | mdz: how old is that? | 07:22 |
| fabbione | perhaps a good cleaning and new CDrom would do | 07:22 |
| mdz | fabbione: about a year I guess | 07:23 |
| mdz | a bit before warty | 07:23 |
| tritium | I can't get breezy to get along with my iMac G5 | 07:23 |
| mdz | tritium: did you use the 64-bit kernel? | 07:23 |
| tritium | mdz, yes | 07:23 |
| tritium | I haven't tried the dailys from the 12th yet | 07:23 |
| tritium | mdz, has it been successfully tested on a newer iMac, as far as you know? | 07:25 |
| sivang | mdz: that's weird. The hardware just deteriorates to slowness ? :) | 07:25 |
| fabbione | tritium: what kind of iMac is that? | 07:25 |
| tritium | fabbione, a recent 20" iMac G5 | 07:25 |
| fabbione | tritium: i know there are some limitations in the kernel with the most recent G5's | 07:26 |
| fabbione | tritium: support is still on the way into the kernel | 07:26 |
| tritium | fabbione, thanks, that's not too surprising. | 07:26 |
| fabbione | tritium: you will have to wait for dapper kernels | 07:27 |
| fabbione | kernel's even | 07:27 |
| tritium | not a problem. I'll be glad to try them | 07:27 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 07:33 |
| fabbione | hey pitti | 07:34 |
| === pitti cranks up jigdo and rsync | ||
| === \sh reads heise, phpmyadmin is vulnerable, and my head is paining, what a wonderful day | ||
| elmo | fabbione/pitti: I'm about to kill your rsync sessions I'm afraid | 07:39 |
| fabbione | elmo: meh... | 07:39 |
| fabbione | is it urgent? | 07:39 |
| mdz | fabbione: yes | 07:39 |
| elmo | fabbione: no, I'm just doing it out of spite | 07:39 |
| fabbione | ok | 07:39 |
| elmo | so, once more with feeling | 07:39 |
| pitti | ok | 07:39 |
| fabbione | elmo: go ahead.. i did stop them | 07:40 |
| pitti | ah, shit | 07:40 |
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| pitti | Ctrl-C'ing it removed the original file | 07:40 |
| elmo | ok, *.ubuntu.com, launchpad.net going down again for emergency network maintenance. ETD is 10 mins. Really this time. | 07:41 |
| mdz | yes, rsync sucks in this situation | 07:41 |
| === pitti dd's back | ||
| mdz | pitti: you were using --partial I assume | 07:41 |
| fabbione | bah great.. one cdrom is dead.. | 07:41 |
| mdz | --partial loses if you just started on the file, the default loses if you are near the end | 07:41 |
| mdz | fabbione: drive or disc? | 07:41 |
| fabbione | drive | 07:41 |
| pitti | mdz: yes, I use -P | 07:42 |
| fabbione | mdz: no bigge.. machine promoted as candidate for net install :) | 07:42 |
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| pitti | nice to see the powerpc and amd64 CDs fit well now | 07:44 |
| pitti | 33 MB free space on i386, what a waste... | 07:44 |
| elmo | we back, happy? | 07:45 |
| infinity | Max connections 15 already. Dang, you guys are quick. | 07:46 |
| fabbione | infinity: nah... just kick it again | 07:47 |
| infinity | Yeah, I did. All good now. | 07:47 |
| dhonn | hey i noticed in suse10 that metacity renders windows proportional to the menu bar. how do i do that in ubuntu | 07:47 |
| infinity | mdz : Oh, if you're curious, ath-in-di broke due to a udpkg bug, which Mithrandir has now fixed in upstream svn, so we're good to go for getting it into early dapper. | 07:48 |
| infinity | mdz : Shame we didn't try this a week earlier, other than the one bug, it seems fine. :) | 07:48 |
| mdz | i386, amd64, powerpc live OK | 07:49 |
| sivang | infinity: will be finally able to join the ath testing, will be getting my X300 powered T43 soon :) | 07:49 |
| mdz | amd64 install OK, powerpc,i386 installs in progress | 07:49 |
| infinity | sivang : You got one with an ath, not an ipw2200? | 07:50 |
| infinity | sivang : I specifically ordered mine with "intel wireless" (ipw2200) rather than "IBM wireless" (ath) to avoid the hassle. | 07:50 |
| \sh | infinity: what to test? | 07:51 |
| infinity | \sh : Hrm? | 07:51 |
| \sh | infinity: I just read ath-in-di...just curious if I can test installation via wifi | 07:52 |
| fabbione | mdz: winfoss on i386 looks good | 07:53 |
| sivang | infinity: ah bah, I didn't get it, that's what the dealer said he can give - I will talk to him shortly then, ath0 support is poor? | 07:53 |
| mdz | fabbione: oh, good. please add a column for that to the test plan page | 07:54 |
| mdz | er, rows | 07:54 |
| mdz | er, row | 07:54 |
| mdz | I feel a migraine coming on | 07:54 |
| fabbione | mdz: do we have winfoss on DVD too i assume | 07:54 |
| mdz | fabbione: yes | 07:55 |
| \sh | mdz: send it to me and I'll stay home today :( | 07:55 |
| infinity | sivang : It's not poor, per se, but it involes a binary-only blob, and can be a bit sketchy at times. | 07:57 |
| infinity | \sh : No, cause we didn't get it in in time (due to the one aforementioned bug... Updating udpkg on the day of release would be very dumb) | 07:58 |
| infinity | \sh : Talk to me after the release, and maybe I can build some test images for ath users. | 07:58 |
| fabbione | mdz: i386 liveCD is good | 07:59 |
| mdz | CDs all good here except powerpc install which is STILL going | 07:59 |
| infinity | CD drive buggered? | 08:00 |
| \sh | infinity: well..we have to try to overcome the madwifi wpa-psk dhcp bug...cause sitting here now with a ndiswrapper enabled card, all the nice wpa-supplicant stuff and dhcp is working out of the box | 08:00 |
| fabbione | mdz: i386 install is good too | 08:01 |
| fabbione | (CD) | 08:01 |
| fabbione | waiting the mirror to rsync for netinstall | 08:01 |
| \sh | and now it's time to hit the bathroom and to have a look to myself...and I'm really afraid of it :( | 08:02 |
| \sh | later guys | 08:02 |
| fabbione | mdz: do you prefer the reports via email or are you tracking them via IRC? | 08:03 |
| mdz | fabbione: tracking them in the wiki, see my latest edits to BreezyTestPlan | 08:04 |
| fabbione | mdz: ok | 08:05 |
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| mdz | ok, 6/6 in my first test pass | 08:06 |
| mdz | now I can sleep for a bit | 08:07 |
| fabbione | mdz: i will add your i386 install to the wiki | 08:08 |
| fabbione | good night | 08:08 |
| mdz | fabbione: my i386 install was custom partitioning | 08:10 |
| mdz | I didn't have a row for that yet | 08:10 |
| fabbione | oh ok | 08:10 |
| mdz | you can add one if you want and add my test there | 08:10 |
| fabbione | sure | 08:11 |
| mdz | but erase disk still needs to be tested | 08:11 |
| fabbione | i did test it | 08:11 |
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| pitti | mdz: to speed it up, would it be sufficient to do "erase disk" and/or "autopartitioning" and stop the installation after checking what it did? | 08:12 |
| fabbione | pitti: you still want to install all of it | 08:13 |
| fabbione | specially in custom mode :) | 08:13 |
| fabbione | if you make a 10MB /var is unlikely to work :) | 08:13 |
| pitti | fabbione: yes, I thought about erase all, then break, then automatic, then break, then custom and install completely | 08:14 |
| fabbione | ah yeah | 08:14 |
| fabbione | that makes sense | 08:14 |
| fabbione | my god.. all these langpacks are slowing down my mirror to death | 08:14 |
| infinity | elmo : Are we still letting universe builds trickle in? | 08:15 |
| mdz | pitti: I suppose so, yes | 08:16 |
| daniels | mdz: so I assume that #15372 will not be resolved for breezy? | 08:16 |
| pitti | mdz: I'd just check if the automatically created partitions are big enough | 08:16 |
| mdz | daniels: that is unfortunately correct | 08:17 |
| daniels | wa-hey. | 08:17 |
| mdz | daniels: though if the fix is simple and safe we can consider it for -updates | 08:17 |
| jsgotangco | should we add that as a known issue? | 08:17 |
| daniels | well, aside from that, I have no major bugs that aren't in NEEDINFO or UPSTREAM. | 08:17 |
| ajmitch | infinity: I hope so | 08:17 |
| mdz | (which it would have needed to be tobe uploaded the day before release anyway) | 08:17 |
| daniels | jsgotangco: i have three of them. can I edit this as a wiki page or something? | 08:17 |
| jsgotangco | daniels, feel free to do so i'll just clean it up later | 08:17 |
| mdz | daniels: how is your bandwidth these days? mini test plan in /topic | 08:17 |
| daniels | mdz: it's not simple, but I feel it's safe | 08:18 |
| daniels | mdz: and yes, I'm working on getting CDs for testing | 08:18 |
| daniels | jsgotangco: URL? | 08:18 |
| jsgotangco | daniels, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseNotes | 08:18 |
| daniels | mdz: half of it's from me, and half from the other guy on the planet who still does stuff with XKB | 08:18 |
| mdz | daniels: it should be just as worthwhile in -updates; the bug doesn't screw the install | 08:19 |
| daniels | fair enough | 08:19 |
| mdz | so we can even take a few days and get confident in it | 08:19 |
| elmo | infinity: no ones' told me not to | 08:19 |
| infinity | elmo : Cool, can I get a P-a-s sync, then? | 08:19 |
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| mdz | Riddell: kubuntu install+live CDs are up | 08:20 |
| mdz | ogra: edubuntu CDs are building | 08:20 |
| infinity | Dear god, we're only up to "g" on the langpack mirror. | 08:20 |
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| elmo | infinity: done | 08:21 |
| mdz | I'm going to try to escape this migraine by going to sleep. please cover the test cases in the plan, with a fair variety of languages, while I'm away | 08:21 |
| mdz | if any showstopper is found, or something which needs a decision as to whether it is a showstopper, call my mobile | 08:22 |
| mdz | night all | 08:22 |
| jsgotangco | night mdz | 08:22 |
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| fabbione | mdz: night | 08:23 |
| pitti | night mdz | 08:23 |
| pitti | Hi dho | 08:23 |
| pitti | Hi dholbach | 08:23 |
| dholbach | good morning | 08:23 |
| dholbach | good night mdz | 08:23 |
| ajmitch | hi dholbach | 08:24 |
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| zyga | morning | 08:32 |
| pitti | Hi zyga | 08:35 |
| zyga | hello pitti :) | 08:35 |
| zyga | first day when I don't have to work all day :) | 08:35 |
| pitti | elmo: can you please sync xloadimage 4.1-14.3 and xli 1.17.0-18sarge1 (both from sarge-security)? | 08:42 |
| pitti | elmo: both universe, and both only security updates | 08:42 |
| dholbach | pitti: he went to bed | 08:42 |
| pitti | ah, I see | 08:43 |
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| maswan | mdz/whoever: can I get an irc ping when the pool is updated on se.releases? I need to get copies to the offload hosts too. | 08:49 |
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| pitti | argh, why aren't there jigdo images for DVDs? | 09:01 |
| infinity | Because they take forever and a day to generate. | 09:03 |
| pitti | Kamion: is it possible to generate jigdo files for the latest dvd to allow us less bandwith equipped folks to test them? By scanning the live CD, install CD, and /var/cache/apt/archives, the required download amounnt would become bearable | 09:03 |
| jsgotangco | a jigdo dvd would take prolly a day to build | 09:03 |
| pitti | so what | 09:03 |
| pitti | it would take me a week to rsync for nothing | 09:03 |
| pitti | for the final images one day seems worth the effort | 09:03 |
| jsgotangco | you have a point there | 09:04 |
| pitti | it takes 8 minutes for a CD, it shouldn't be a whole day for the five-fold amount | 09:04 |
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| Burgundavia | whiprush, relicensing http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiprush/33275644/ under GFDL or CC-by-sa 2.0 for the doc teams' quicktour | 09:14 |
| dholbach | Burgundavia: we just had a brief conversation over cc-by-sa 2.0 - debian-legal doesnt consider it free enough, but i dunno about 2.5 | 09:15 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia, its probably not his image even... | 09:15 |
| Burgundavia | dholbach, regardless, that is what the doc team stuff is currently under | 09:15 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, if it isn't, then we start again | 09:16 |
| Burgundavia | dholbach, as for not being dfsg-free, it is an issue, but not a current huge one (we can't do anything this late anyway) | 09:16 |
| dholbach | it was merely a heads-up | 09:17 |
| jsgotangco | chill | 09:17 |
| Burgundavia | dholbach, When we decided back in Mataro it came up. We realized we were totally squeezed and it sucks | 09:17 |
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| Mirv | pitti: thanks for the new language packs, with the expection of serpentine (the translation of which was in the "main" rosetta template until yesterday noon when I uploaded it also to the breezy's serpentine-template), everything seems now translated | 09:24 |
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| dholbach | morning seb128 | 09:26 |
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| pitti | Mirv: nice | 09:28 |
| seb128 | hey dholbach | 09:28 |
| pitti | Mirv: the missing bits will come in the first round of updates | 09:28 |
| zyga | pitti: do you sync that .tar.gz from carlos manually? today's archive is identical to yesterdays | 09:28 |
| pitti | Hi sabdfl | 09:28 |
| pitti | Hi seb128 | 09:28 |
| dholbach | sabdfl: morning mark | 09:29 |
| pitti | zyga: yes, rosetta did not export a tarball today, and we don't currently need it | 09:29 |
| zyga | ah, okay | 09:29 |
| seb128 | hi pitti sabdfl | 09:29 |
| sabdfl | ogra: ping | 09:30 |
| sabdfl | moin moin all | 09:30 |
| fabbione | morning sabdfl | 09:31 |
| ajmitch | hi sabdfl | 09:31 |
| sabdfl | Kamion: can we delay edubuntu without affecting everything else? | 09:32 |
| zakame | hi sabdfl | 09:32 |
| sabdfl | hi zakame | 09:32 |
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| siretart | can someone else than elmo remove obsolete binary packages from the archive? | 09:33 |
| dholbach | morning siretart | 09:34 |
| siretart | hi dholbach! | 09:34 |
| infinity | siretart : Others have the power to, but generally defer to elmo for removals, as they prefer not to break anything. :) | 09:36 |
| siretart | infinity: I've sent him an email. The particular issue is the binary package 'mplayer-amd64', which is no longer built from source 'mplayer', confusing users | 09:39 |
| siretart | so mplayer should really be removed. perhaps there are more cases, but can't check that.. | 09:40 |
| siretart | argl | 09:40 |
| siretart | so the binary package mplayer-amd64 should be removed | 09:40 |
| siretart | not mplayer as whole.. | 09:40 |
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| infinity | Old binaries that are no longer built from source tend to be purged on a reasonably regular basis. | 09:41 |
| siretart | okay. didn't know that | 09:41 |
| siretart | just wanted help avoiding having this particular mplayer-amd64 package remove before breezy. a friend was confused by this | 09:42 |
| pitti | ouch - I can't start the OO.o help on ppc/install - any confirmations? | 09:43 |
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| pitti | doko_: oo.o2-help-en-us is not installed on powerpc - any idea? | 09:45 |
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| jhank | i know... but i just want download the final.... so is there a time set when the new cd image is to be released? | 10:03 |
| jhank | i'm sorry, that's the wrong channel guys :( | 10:04 |
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| atripathi | is it the place where suggestions could be given ? | 10:09 |
| jsgotangco | suggestions? we're already testing the cds heh | 10:09 |
| Skid | not sure if this is the place, tried the motu channel but its a lil quiet ;) - what does it take to become a mirror, and are there any estimates on usages? | 10:10 |
| dholbach | Skid: mirrors@ubuntu.com is the right place afaik | 10:10 |
| dholbach | might be mirror@ too... hmm | 10:11 |
| Skid | dholbach: alright cheers, I'll cc both.. going to 'unoffically' mirro the breezy dvd/images tomorrow anyway and try to pass them around our peers etc to lighten the load a teeny bit :) | 10:11 |
| atripathi | anyway i will put it here. I would like better GUI support to network connections. I am having adsl and need to type pon dsl-provider evertime to connect. I would like better dialing app which could also ping to the dhcp host to keep the connection alive. | 10:11 |
| Skid | +r | 10:11 |
| atripathi | though its not a big problem but i feel it is essentially required for the pppoe i am using over dsl | 10:12 |
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| atripathi | and yes....before migrating to Ubuntu i used fedora3 and it had better GUI support to it | 10:12 |
| dholbach | Skid: cool | 10:13 |
| atripathi | I guess it was worth suggesting here | 10:13 |
| pitti_live | DARN - /me beats OO.o help to death | 10:13 |
| seb128 | ? | 10:13 |
| atripathi | Hoary rocks.....hope breezy rocks even more. Likely to get the CDs pretty soon | 10:14 |
| maswan | Skid: We're hoping for 2Gbit/s :) | 10:14 |
| pitti_live | doko_, Kamion: on amd64-live, ooo2-help-en-us is installed, but pressing F1 just brings "Help system could not be started". on ppc/install, the package is not even installed, and same effect | 10:14 |
| Skid | heh I've got a few 100Mb links unused | 10:15 |
| pitti_live | doko_, Kamion: it works fine for me on ppc-live | 10:15 |
| Skid | but it won't be on outbound gig, sorry :P | 10:15 |
| Skid | that'd push me over our cdr | 10:15 |
| Skid | s/me/us | 10:15 |
| maswan | Skid: Well, if you are around for the peak demand, we might be in need of http redirect targets. I'm se.releases btw. | 10:16 |
| maswan | Skid: But hopefully we won't get that much above 2Gbit demand | 10:16 |
| Skid | what sort of usages do you see? | 10:16 |
| Skid | I've got dual fe's bonded up ready atm.. | 10:17 |
| maswan | a couple of hundred Mbit/s, I think | 10:17 |
| Skid | alrighty :) | 10:17 |
| maswan | the entire mirror sees 300:ish Mbit/s daily average, 500Mbit/s peak, but that's more than just ubuntu | 10:17 |
| Skid | http redirect targets = ? | 10:17 |
| jsgotangco | the mighty hand of maswan at work... | 10:18 |
| Skid | heh | 10:18 |
| maswan | A bit over half of that seems to be ubuntu | 10:18 |
| Skid | rest is what, repo's etc? | 10:18 |
| maswan | Skid: During releases I try to find a few extra boxes with lots of ram and gigE that I can redirect the popular files to. | 10:19 |
| maswan | http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/index.html.en | 10:19 |
| maswan | we're also ftp.se.debian.org, ftp.gnome.org, ftp.mozilla.org, se.archive.u.c, and mirror some hobbyist movies | 10:20 |
| Skid | ahhh see what oyu mean now :) | 10:20 |
| Skid | if only uk transit was cheap :) | 10:20 |
| Skid | suppose i could get some cheapo clognet crap in, but like that's nolonger a full table so :P | 10:20 |
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| maswan | the trick is to be on an NREN where they like usage :) | 10:20 |
| jhank | is there a specific time set, when the ubuntu is to be released tomorrow? | 10:21 |
| Skid | ah, uni netowkr | 10:21 |
| infinity | jhank : When we're good and ready. | 10:21 |
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| jhank | is there a time set for that? *fg* | 10:22 |
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| jsgotangco | jhank, nope | 10:23 |
| jhank | hehe okay :) | 10:23 |
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| dholbach | elmo: could you please sync pvm from sid? | 10:41 |
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| jsgotangco | hey silbs | 10:45 |
| fabbione | Kamion,mdz: install CDs still carry the "Release Candidate" thing around.. noticed on expert install | 10:46 |
| fabbione | Kamion: oem install is ok, i found a few glitches tho.. | 10:46 |
| jsgotangco | fabbione, did you oem loop into the creation of the user? | 10:47 |
| fabbione | Kamion: aborting the "test phase" brings you back to X.. i didn't see the message that the machine will be reconfigured at the next reboot (i might have just overlooked at it) | 10:47 |
| fabbione | Kamion: at the next reboot.. when oem-config runs in X and select "other locations" i am not offered the option to select which one. So either i live in the ones that are presented there or i can't select ;) | 10:48 |
| fabbione | jsgotangco: no | 10:48 |
| fabbione | how did you get there? | 10:48 |
| silbs | jsgotangco: good morning | 10:48 |
| jsgotangco | i was testing yesterday's x86 build and somehow after the reboot, the creation of the first user looped | 10:49 |
| fabbione | jsgotangco: try with the new images | 10:51 |
| fabbione | jsgotangco: Kamion did fix a bunch of oem bugs right 12 hours ago | 10:51 |
| fabbione | or so | 10:51 |
| jsgotangco | right | 10:51 |
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| pitti_live | Hi again | 11:09 |
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| seb128 | wb pitti_live | 11:10 |
| pitti_live | seb128: do you get OO.o help breakage, too? | 11:10 |
| seb128 | pitti_live: on a new i386 install no | 11:11 |
| seb128 | pressing F1 from the writer works fine | 11:11 |
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| pitti_live | seb128: on which arch and install/live? can you add your results to the wiki? | 11:12 |
| pitti_live | ah, ok | 11:12 |
| seb128 | <seb128> pitti_live: on a new i386 install no | 11:12 |
| seb128 | "i386 install" | 11:12 |
| pitti_live | yep, sorry :-) | 11:12 |
| seb128 | and I'm going to, I just logged to the desktop like 1 min ago | 11:12 |
| seb128 | let me play with it before updating the wiki :) | 11:12 |
| seb128 | I've the wiki page open on my browser :) | 11:12 |
| pitti_live | ok, I finished editing the page | 11:13 |
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| pitti_live | ah, wait, I add i386/live | 11:14 |
| seb128 | WTF | 11:15 |
| seb128 | the language-selector has not boxes to the second column | 11:15 |
| mvo | seb128: that usually means that your sources.list is either missing some deb entries or a apt-get update is missing | 11:18 |
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| ogra | sabdfl, pong (sorry was up late) | 11:19 |
| sabdfl | ogra: artwork email | 11:20 |
| ogra | yes, i just see it | 11:20 |
| seb128 | mvo: right, that's due to this crappy bug making that eth0 is not set on boot | 11:21 |
| mvo | seb128: will be fixed very early in dapper | 11:22 |
| mvo | seb128: oh, no. I was confusing this with the ifconfig bug | 11:22 |
| seb128 | and running dhclient breaks lo which makes GNOME unhappy :) | 11:23 |
| seb128 | k, I've the boxes now | 11:24 |
| mvo | seb128: that one is getting fixed very early :) | 11:25 |
| Kamion | sabdfl: we can delay the Edubuntu release a bit, certainly, but changing the archive for Edubuntu now is very awkward and risky | 11:25 |
| sabdfl | ok, then let's go ahead | 11:25 |
| Kamion | fabbione: release candidate> thanks, will fix that | 11:25 |
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| Kamion | fabbione: oem> yeah, I know the UI is pretty glitchy - if you could file bugs about those things, I'd appreciate it | 11:26 |
| Kamion | I'm not going to sort them out now, but we can polish it up for dapper | 11:26 |
| sabdfl | which UI is that Kamion? | 11:26 |
| Kamion | sabdfl: OEMInstaller | 11:26 |
| Kamion | pitti_live: it's really hard to generate jigdos after the image has been built at the moment | 11:26 |
| ogra | Kamion, could you just wipe the current edubuntu-artwork ? the only diff for the last upload was the wallpaper, su that would revert it | 11:27 |
| Kamion | pitti_live: I might do a run with jigdo turned on, but can't guarantee it | 11:27 |
| ogra | s/su/so | 11:27 |
| Kamion | ogra: er, no, I can't "just wipe" anything | 11:27 |
| Kamion | what's the problem? | 11:27 |
| ogra | Some people, sabdfl included dont like the wallpaper | 11:27 |
| fabbione | Kamion: sure.. i will do in a minute.. i need to get some food first :) | 11:28 |
| ogra | my last upload changed exactly this... so if we culd revert the package one revision, it wold at leas be the former one | 11:28 |
| Kamion | meh, ReleaseChecklist says that artwork is to be sorted a week before release for a reason | 11:29 |
| pitti_live | mvo: ok, so language-support-en was installed for you on i386/oem? | 11:29 |
| Kamion | so, Edubuntu doesn't have a live CD, and edubuntu-artwork isn't on any other CD image | 11:29 |
| Kamion | which gives us a slim window | 11:29 |
| ogra | Kamion, yup | 11:29 |
| pitti_live | Kamion: I have severe troubles with OO.o help on various configurations (ppc, amd64), can you confirm? | 11:29 |
| Kamion | pitti_live: not yet, I was up late last night and have just got up | 11:30 |
| pitti_live | ok, nm | 11:30 |
| infinity | pitti_live : I'm about to do amd64 tests. | 11:30 |
| pitti_live | I'm running amd64/oem ATM | 11:30 |
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| pitti_live | and will do ppc/expert now | 11:30 |
| ivoks | hi all | 11:30 |
| mvo | pitti_live: I haven't tested i386/oem yet | 11:30 |
| Kamion | ogra: make a new edubuntu-artwork upload with wallpaper the way sabdfl wants it | 11:30 |
| ogra | Kamion, ok | 11:30 |
| Kamion | and do it quickly | 11:30 |
| pitti_live | mvo, ah, misread, that was expert | 11:30 |
| Kamion | (but not without testing ...) | 11:30 |
| ivoks | i know this is not the place, but i'm at client, and don't have time for bugzilla | 11:30 |
| ivoks | but we have major loss of functionaly with samba and tiger OSX | 11:31 |
| ogra | sabdfl, any opinion ? any wallpaper you like best ? | 11:31 |
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| doko_ | pitti_live: why is oo help not on the powerpc cd? oo2-core _depends_ on it ... | 11:31 |
| Kamion | ogra: we have one chance to get this right | 11:31 |
| Kamion | doko_: it *is* on the powerpc CD. You could have found this out yourself by looking in the .list files | 11:32 |
| ogra | Kamion, ok... i would have stayed with the former one... but several people spoke up it was to boring for kids... no idea what to take now | 11:32 |
| pitti_live | doko_: the thing is, on ppc/install, l-support-en is *installed* but ooo2-help-en-us is not; it is in the apt cache, though | 11:33 |
| pitti_live | on ppc/oem, language-suppor-en is not even installed, and neither is ooo2-help-en-us | 11:33 |
| Kamion | pitti_live: check /var/log/base-config-pkgsel.log | 11:33 |
| infinity | Kamion : The images are still labelled "Release Candidate"... I assume that means there's one more CD build required? | 11:34 |
| Kamion | infinity: yeah, fabbione told me that earlier | 11:35 |
| infinity | ivoks : Known issue, a bug has been filed, but without someone isolating the patch to fix it, I can't do much about it, sorry. | 11:35 |
| Kamion | dists/breezy/Release needs to be changed too | 11:35 |
| ivoks | infinity: it's fixed in .20 | 11:36 |
| infinity | ivoks : You can always blame Apple for being the only vendor in the world that doesn't fall back to a working auth method when their shiny-new-auth-method fails, though. | 11:36 |
| ivoks | infinity: i do blame Apple :/ | 11:36 |
| infinity | ivoks : Yes, and .20 is a HUGE upgrade. We're not putting it in. | 11:36 |
| ivoks | infinity: i'll try to isolate patch | 11:36 |
| infinity | ivoks : So, again, without someone isolating a small and sane patch, no fix until dapper. | 11:36 |
| infinity | ivoks : If you can isolate a patch that's sane, I'll argue to get it into breezy-updates post-release. | 11:36 |
| ivoks | infinity: i didn't mean to import .20, just that patch... | 11:37 |
| ivoks | infinity: ok | 11:37 |
| sabdfl | technically, dapper in *Tuesday* for the brave :-) | 11:37 |
| pitti_live | Kamion: I'm in ppc/oem installation now. the log has no trace of language-support-en | 11:37 |
| jdub | GOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS! | 11:37 |
| pitti_live | Hi jdub | 11:37 |
| pitti_live | Kamion: neither of ooo help | 11:37 |
| \sh | jdub: please...not so loud...my brain is paining a lot | 11:38 |
| sabdfl | Kamion, ogra: edubuntu artwork can go as-is | 11:38 |
| sabdfl | jdub is clearly in release mode this morning ;-) | 11:38 |
| Kamion | pitti_live: please investigate starting with the code in /usr/lib/base-config/menu/pkgsel; it will be a while before I can investigate myself | 11:38 |
| Kamion | sabdfl: ok | 11:38 |
| ogra | sabdfl, ok :) | 11:39 |
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| ivoks | infinity: i'll contact you when i have a success... see you | 11:39 |
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| infinity | ivoks : there's an open bug about it in bugzilla, you can follow up to that and attach the patch. | 11:40 |
| ajmitch | morning jdub | 11:40 |
| ivoks | infinity: ok | 11:40 |
| infinity | ivoks : http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17509 | 11:40 |
| ivoks | infinity: thanks | 11:40 |
| infinity | ivoks : I narrowed it down to about a month worth of Jeremy fiddling with rewriting, like, half ot thr RPC code. Which is unacceptable. If you can fix it in a tiny and obvious patch, cool. | 11:41 |
| ivoks | infinity: can you provide url with patches (or they are in svn?) since i would like to test them | 11:41 |
| ivoks | infinity: uh... sounds bad :/ | 11:41 |
| infinity | We may just suffer with being incomatible with Tiger until dapper. We're not alone in that boat. | 11:42 |
| ivoks | infinity: yeah, i know... | 11:42 |
| infinity | Just about everyone out there right now is incompatible with Tiger, and IMO, the onus is on Apple to release an update that works with older SMB implementations. | 11:43 |
| ivoks | infinity: trouble is that my buissness depends on osx compatibility :) | 11:43 |
| ivoks | infinity: so i'll work on fix and contact you about that | 11:43 |
| ivoks | bye all | 11:44 |
| jdub | sabdfl: BOS->LON arriving at 6am mode, methinks ;) | 11:44 |
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| hno73 | Of those who are testing images with the very latest artwork, could you grab 4-5 screenshots and send them to me? I'll want to update this page today http://www.ubuntu.com/screenshots (henrik@ubuntu.com) Thanks | 11:50 |
| pitti | doko_: ping | 11:50 |
| Kamion | pitti: incidentally, if you didn't know already, you can also rsync one of our DVDs more quickly by starting from the concatenation of the install and live CDs ... | 11:52 |
| pitti | Kamion: ok, right | 11:52 |
| pitti | doko_: on both amd64/live and install-oem, ooo-help-en-us is installed, but help does not work; how can I debug this? | 11:52 |
| Kamion | if you were only going to be jigdoing from basically the contents of the install and live CDs anyway, it should be about the same | 11:53 |
| Kamion | 10:38 < Kamion> pitti_live: please investigate starting with the code in /usr/lib/base-config/menu/pkgsel; it will be a while before I can investigate myself | 11:53 |
| Kamion | pitti: ^-- | 11:53 |
| Kamion | for the case where it isn't installed, in case you didn't see that | 11:53 |
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| doko_ | pitti: looking at it, I usually use strace, but that doesn't seem to work with 32bit bianries | 11:56 |
| pitti | doko_: on my previously installed system help works fine, but not with the freshly installed one; I'll try a fresh normal installation, too | 11:57 |
| doko_ | pitti_: the 32bit strace does work however | 11:57 |
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| doko_ | Mithrandir: ping | 12:06 |
| Mithrandir | doko_: pong | 12:06 |
| seb128 | is there a place to describe issues? | 12:07 |
| seb128 | i386 with custom partitionning doesn't boot | 12:07 |
| seb128 | "Hard disk boot sector invalid. Press 'H' to retry ..." | 12:07 |
| fabbione | seb128: works here.. where did you put / or /boot ? | 12:07 |
| seb128 | I made a automatic-partitionning install before | 12:08 |
| seb128 | booted this one | 12:08 |
| seb128 | picked the manual partitionning | 12:08 |
| seb128 | deleted the previous one | 12:08 |
| fabbione | (+ that sounds like a BIOS can't read MBR issue) | 12:08 |
| seb128 | create a 10G / and a swap | 12:08 |
| seb128 | and didn't put any boot flag (should I?) | 12:08 |
| doko_ | It looks like if I add the 32bit libdb-4.2.so in LD_PRELOAD, I can start the help on amd64. Is there a way to determine other libs, which are preloaded, as well? | 12:08 |
| seb128 | dunno if that's an user error or not ... | 12:08 |
| doko_ | s/preloaded/dlopened/ | 12:08 |
| fabbione | seb128: did you put swap before / ? if so how big? | 12:09 |
| seb128 | no | 12:09 |
| seb128 | hda1 is 10Go / | 12:09 |
| Diziet | Ah, fabbione. Hello. | 12:09 |
| seb128 | hda2 is 500M swao | 12:09 |
| seb128 | swap | 12:09 |
| Kamion | seb128: did you make hda1 active? | 12:09 |
| Kamion | some BIOSes don't like it if you don't | 12:09 |
| fabbione | seb128: looks ok | 12:09 |
| fabbione | Diziet: yo, yes? | 12:09 |
| Kamion | s/active/bootable/, whatever the terminology in use is | 12:09 |
| seb128 | Kamion: nop, what I said with "<seb128> and didn't put any boot flag (should I?)" | 12:10 |
| doko_ | Mithrandir: ^^^ | 12:10 |
| Diziet | In scrollback you say something about gs and an ICE ?! | 12:10 |
| seb128 | <seb128> dunno if that's an user error or not ... | 12:10 |
| Kamion | seb128: yes, you probably should | 12:10 |
| fabbione | Diziet: i already fixed it.. sort of.. | 12:10 |
| Kamion | seb128: I have a bug open about this; we tried to fix it for hoary, but it was more complicated than expected so we deferred until, um, breezy (oops) | 12:10 |
| seb128 | Kamion: k, I thought than first partition was set automatically | 12:10 |
| Diziet | Um, OK, I'll go and look ... | 12:10 |
| fabbione | Diziet: i had to switch sparc back to gcc-3.4.. one of your patches manage to ICE on sparc with gcc-4.0 | 12:10 |
| seb128 | Kamion: do you have the bug number so I can point it on the wiki? | 12:10 |
| Diziet | The stdarg one, no doubt. But even so I didn't think it was very controversial. | 12:11 |
| Kamion | seb128: I'm just looking, one sec | 12:11 |
| seb128 | thanks | 12:11 |
| Kamion | seb128: it's not a regression in breezy though | 12:11 |
| doko_ | pitti: please check for the amd64 help: copy the 32bit libdb-4.2.so to /usr/lib32, add it in /usr/lib/openoffice2/program/soffice.bin to LD_PRELOAD (white space separated), then start ooo again | 12:11 |
| pitti_live | shit, amd64/expert hangs at installing grub | 12:11 |
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| Diziet | Just in case I'm wrong somehow, I'd like to see it for myself. DYK what our sparc in the colo is called ? | 12:11 |
| Kamion | seb128: #7906 | 12:11 |
| seb128 | Kamion: probably not, I had such issue before hoary | 12:11 |
| SteveA | mjg59: hi, around? | 12:11 |
| seb128 | thanks | 12:11 |
| infinity | Diziet : We don't have one. | 12:12 |
| pitti_live | doko_: ok, next time when my amd64 has finished stuff | 12:12 |
| Diziet | inf: Oh. | 12:12 |
| Kamion | sparc's an unofficial port, fabbione runs it more or less solo | 12:12 |
| Diziet | Right, OK. | 12:12 |
| Mithrandir | doko_: no, there isn't. | 12:12 |
| Diziet | In that case, fabbione, can you tell me file and line number or do you not get the line number ? | 12:12 |
| fabbione | Diziet: one second... | 12:13 |
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| fabbione | Kamion: i am not THAT alone :) just for the buildd/integration side :) | 12:13 |
| Kamion | right | 12:13 |
| fabbione | Diziet: http://bld-3.mmjgroup.com/buildLogs/g/gs-gpl/8.01-5ubuntu4/gs-gpl_8.01-5ubuntu4_20051011-1533-sparc-failed.gz | 12:13 |
| fabbione | Diziet: anyway.. that's stuff to look for dapper | 12:14 |
| fabbione | Diziet: nothing to worry about for now.. | 12:14 |
| seb128 | Kamion, fabbione: setting the hda1 bootable flag with fdisk fixes the issue | 12:14 |
| Kamion | seb128: good | 12:14 |
| fabbione | perfect | 12:14 |
| Kamion | seb128: what machine? | 12:14 |
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| seb128 | Kamion: the packard bell laptop that jdub had during the Oxford time | 12:15 |
| Kamion | right, I think we only ever had this problem with some dodgy laptop BIOSes | 12:16 |
| doko_ | Kamion: are there 360k place on the amd64 CD's? to get the ooo help working, we need the 32bit libdb-4.2.so | 12:17 |
| Kamion | but yeah, we really must actually fix this in dapper rather than forgetting about it | 12:17 |
| Kamion | doko_: yes, we certainly have that much room; shame it'll require a livefs rebuild | 12:18 |
| fabbione | Kamion: bugs filed.. | 12:18 |
| doko_ | Mithrandir: which package should contain the 32bit libdb4.2.so? | 12:18 |
| Kamion | oh, but having to rebuild ooo2 is going to SUCK | 12:19 |
| Kamion | ah, only ooo2-amd64 | 12:19 |
| doko_ | Kamion: no, just repackaging the amd64 bits | 12:19 |
| pitti_live | Kamion: expert install at both ppc and amd64 hangs; I have an idea about the reason, do you want to discuss this now or shall we ignore this? | 12:19 |
| Kamion | pitti_live: now | 12:19 |
| fabbione | pitti_live: how do they hang? | 12:19 |
| Mithrandir | doko_: ia32-libs, probably. | 12:19 |
| pitti_live | Kamion: on amd64 it hangs at installing grub | 12:20 |
| pitti_live | Kamion: I killed d-i's apt and chrooted into /target and apt-get install grub | 12:20 |
| Kamion | I bet it's having trouble in apt-install | 12:20 |
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| pitti_live | Kamion: it asks me to insert the CDROM, I press enter, it asks me again | 12:20 |
| mvo | pitti_live: do you have working network at this stage? | 12:21 |
| pitti_live | Kamion: d-i's apt hogs 100% CPU, I assume it tries to ask that question, too (non-interactively) | 12:21 |
| Kamion | ok, I think I saw this on i386 too yesterday, but I was on a heavily-hacked installer so I disregarded it in favour of other problems | 12:21 |
| pitti_live | mvo: yes, I can ping | 12:21 |
| Kamion | in retrospect that was probably a mistake | 12:21 |
| Kamion | I suspect the apt-setup integration | 12:21 |
| pitti_live | Kamion: same happens on ppc in stage 2 - apt-get hangs without any progress | 12:22 |
| pitti_live | Kamion: with the same reason (does not recognize the CD) | 12:22 |
| Kamion | perhaps it is buggy and generates a different sources.list at low priority | 12:22 |
| fabbione | pitti_live: hangs at the end of the installation? | 12:22 |
| Kamion | pitti_live: what's in /target/etc/apt/sources.list? | 12:22 |
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| sabdfl | hmm... our spell check is broken | 12:22 |
| pitti_live | fabbione: amd64 expert: at grub install, ppc install: right at the beginning of stage2 | 12:22 |
| sabdfl | could someone try to spell check a document in openoffice please? | 12:23 |
| pitti_live | Kamion: let me go over and look | 12:23 |
| fabbione | oh begining.. pitti_live: bad burn? | 12:23 |
| fabbione | no | 12:23 |
| Kamion | fabbione: no, this is a real problem | 12:23 |
| fabbione | never mind | 12:23 |
| fabbione | Kamion: yeah.. it can't be bad burn if it did copy successfully pkgs at stage1 | 12:23 |
| fabbione | sabdfl: checking now | 12:24 |
| pitti_live | fabbione: no, the same CD worked fine for server and normal install | 12:24 |
| seb128 | sabdfl: works fine for me with the writer | 12:24 |
| doko_ | sabdfl: do you see the "ABC" icon in the language preferences? | 12:24 |
| pitti_live | Kamion: sources.list has the CD-ROM with main aind restricted; on my iBook that's the only source (no nework), on amd64 I have the network sources, oo | 12:24 |
| fabbione | sabdfl: looks good here | 12:25 |
| Diziet | zcsdevn.i (gcc -E output) from old and new gs-gpl are identical modulo one embedded pathname in a #... line number annotation. So it's not my change that broke it. | 12:25 |
| pitti_live | Kamion: since apt does ask for the CD, it seems that apt wants a different one | 12:25 |
| Kamion | pitti_live: is this after installation, or when it hangs? | 12:25 |
| doko_ | Mithrandir: are the cups libs somewhere in ia32-libs? | 12:25 |
| pitti_live | Kamion: I killed d-i's apt and logged in VC 2 | 12:25 |
| pitti_live | Kamion: still at end of stage 1 | 12:25 |
| pitti_live | Kamion: and grub is not installed | 12:25 |
| fabbione | Diziet: it did build fine previously.. with gcc-4.0.. so something did change :) | 12:25 |
| Kamion | hmm, that's very odd | 12:26 |
| Diziet | GCC ? | 12:26 |
| Diziet | Are you sure the hardware is reliable ? :-) | 12:26 |
| Mithrandir | doko_: I don't think so. | 12:26 |
| fabbione | Diziet: dude.. yes. the hw is realiable | 12:26 |
| pitti_live | Kamion: as already said, it works fine for normal and server mode, just expert | 12:26 |
| Kamion | I'll investigate this myself right now | 12:26 |
| Mithrandir | doko_: but printing works fine, so please don't fuck around with that. | 12:26 |
| Kamion | pitti_live: yeah, that makes me inclined not to suspect apt | 12:26 |
| pitti_live | Kamion: shall I try apt-setup again on amd64? (too late for ppc, already stage 2) | 12:26 |
| Kamion | pitti_live: no | 12:26 |
| pitti_live | mvo: how do I compare the signature of apt-setup with the actual CD I have in the drive? | 12:27 |
| mvo | pitti_live: greek chars look much better after the fontconfig fix btw | 12:27 |
| Kamion | I'm betting strongly that sources.list looks different between normal and expert installs at that stage, or else that apt-get update hasn't been run in one of those scenarios | 12:27 |
| mvo | pitti_live: apt-cdrom ident should do | 12:27 |
| pitti_live | mvo: but apt-get seems to have a different idea of my CD; where can I see the stored id? | 12:28 |
| infinity | mvo : Have you learned to reed greek, so you can enjoy your greek install a bit more? | 12:28 |
| doko_ | Mithrandir: I "don't fuck around with that", please change your tone | 12:29 |
| fabbione | hey guys... come on... easy.. we are all overstressed for release | 12:29 |
| mvo | pitti_live: "apt-cdrom ident" gives you a identifier for the cd, then you can check /var/lib/apt/cdroms.list | 12:29 |
| pitti_live | Kamion: I partially solved ppc: I inserted the CD again and killed the apt-get, now it installs | 12:29 |
| pitti_live | Kamion: I didn't copy the debs on hd for ppc; however, it should ask to insert the CD in that case (no blocker, though) | 12:30 |
| mvo | infinity: no, of course not. but I still enjoy the nice glyphs | 12:31 |
| segfault | too late for a kernel change? | 12:31 |
| segfault | :D | 12:31 |
| segfault | i mean, recompile. | 12:31 |
| fabbione | segfault: yes way too late | 12:32 |
| segfault | Your kernel was built with "gcc" version "3.4.5", while you are trying to use | 12:32 |
| segfault | "/usr/bin/gcc" version "4.0.2". | 12:32 |
| segfault | :( | 12:32 |
| Kamion | pitti_live: we don't have a UI for CD insertion at the moment, but that should not be happening at all and is a blocker bug | 12:32 |
| fabbione | segfault: no.. that's the correct behaviour... you are doing something wrong to build your nvidia drivers | 12:33 |
| fabbione | segfault: export CC=gcc-3.4 and recompile whatever you are doing | 12:33 |
| Kamion | UI> in base-config that is - it requires funky fd handling to get a newline back to aptitude's stdin | 12:33 |
| segfault | i'm trying to compile vmware, but shouldn't the kernel be compiled with gcc4 too? | 12:33 |
| Mithrandir | segfault: no. | 12:33 |
| pitti_live | Kamion: ok, more ideas: fingerprints are identical | 12:34 |
| fabbione | segfault: -> #ubuntu and no.. | 12:34 |
| segfault | mithrandir: why not? | 12:34 |
| pitti_live | Kamion: but when I chroot /target, I cannot mount the CD | 12:34 |
| segfault | its not a user question, i know how to fix it | 12:34 |
| Mithrandir | segfault: because it breaks. | 12:34 |
| segfault | i'm just trying to figure out why its not using gcc4 :) | 12:34 |
| fabbione | segfault: it is a user question.. and it's not a bug | 12:34 |
| mvo | Kamion: the strange thing is that it shouldn't hang when the question is asked but fall back to some other source or fail complettly | 12:34 |
| pitti_live | Kamion: it says it is "busy"; I can only mount it when I umount it from the d-i root fs before | 12:34 |
| Kamion | pitti_live: I think you're on the wrong track, because none of that sort of thing should be affected by the prevailing debconf priority, surely? | 12:35 |
| Kamion | not that I know the problem yet, but ... | 12:35 |
| pitti_live | mvo: /v/l/apt/cdroms.list has two entries for the CDs: same fingerprint, but the second has a ::Label thing; is that right? | 12:35 |
| Kamion | CD handling in the installer is delicate and doing stuff by hand at the same time may well break it; that in itself is not surprising | 12:35 |
| Kamion | the question is what happens at DEBCONF_PRIORITY=low that is different from what happens at DEBCONF_PRIORITY=high | 12:36 |
| pitti_live | Kamion: how does the package install work? does d-i chroot into /target and calls apt-get? | 12:36 |
| infinity | Kamion : I have a spot of good news for you. In my crazy HDD setup on my girlfriend's computer, the installer managed to get the crazy grub remap-and-chainload magic right for the first time so it dual-boots without hanging. | 12:36 |
| Kamion | pitti_live: see /bin/apt-install | 12:36 |
| Kamion | infinity: rah :-) | 12:36 |
| pitti_live | Kamion: or does it call apt-get with a --target option? | 12:36 |
| segfault | What it breaks? | 12:36 |
| Kamion | no, it chroots | 12:36 |
| Kamion | I cannot paste the line right now because my mouse is acting up | 12:37 |
| mvo | pitti_live: yes, two lines should be ok | 12:38 |
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| mull | Hello I think I have found an X11 bug .. but it would be nice if someone could confirm it | 12:45 |
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| mull | If I reach the end of certain "input buffers" the screen flickers (turns to black and redraws) | 12:45 |
| infinity | Hrmph. We really should have the installer dpkg-divert fc-cache, and run it once at the end of the install. | 12:46 |
| infinity | I think the collective font postinsts are responsible for about 30% of my install time. | 12:46 |
| jdub | infinity: i thought Kamion had done that? | 12:46 |
| Kamion | infinity: does it do significant duplicate work each time? | 12:46 |
| Kamion | jdub: no, that was scrollkeeper | 12:46 |
| mull | Test case: open gvim. press "i". and then the down button. | 12:46 |
| infinity | Kamion : Yes. | 12:46 |
| Kamion | scrollkeeper *does* do significant duplicate work each time, due to insufficient caching | 12:46 |
| Kamion | infinity: ok, can do that in dapper then | 12:46 |
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| ogra | infinity, i think its more than 30% | 12:47 |
| Kamion | jdub: you did? I don't remember | 12:47 |
| Kamion | infinity: file a base-config bug for me please, milestone Ubuntu 6.04 | 12:47 |
| dholbach | mull: works for me | 12:47 |
| mull | typing a not nown search entry in firefox search bar also shows that behavior | 12:47 |
| infinity | The only other installer complain I had is the complete lack of password-safety checking. It let me set a password I'd never be allowed to set at runtime ("foo") | 12:48 |
| infinity | Again, far too late to care. | 12:48 |
| mull | err nown == found | 12:48 |
| Kamion | infinity: iz passwd.config bug, but yeah | 12:48 |
| dholbach | mull: i suggest you write a detailed bug report on bugzilla.ubuntu.com (hardware, attach xorg.conf, test cases, versions of stuff you use) | 12:49 |
| mull | ok | 12:49 |
| infinity | ... And the installer doesn't clear out kernel update-notifications, so the first boot sees a lightbulb. | 12:49 |
| infinity | Yay. | 12:49 |
| infinity | (Will be fixed differently in dapper anyway, I suppose) | 12:49 |
| Kamion | base-config has code to do that | 12:49 |
| Kamion | does it not work? | 12:49 |
| infinity | Kamion : I'm going to go with "no"... My freshly-installed amd64 system showed me a kernel reboot notification. | 12:50 |
| Kamion | it's near the bottom of /usr/lib/base-config/menu/pkgsel | 12:50 |
| Kamion | mvo: ? | 12:50 |
| seb128 | mull: you probably use the visual bell? | 12:50 |
| Kamion | find /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/ -type f -printf '%P\n' \ | 12:50 |
| Kamion | | sed "s/\$/ $(date +%s) 0/" \ | 12:50 |
| Kamion | > /etc/update-notifier/hooks_seen | 12:50 |
| mvo | Kamion: that should work... | 12:51 |
| seb128 | mull: gnome-sound-properties, System Bell ... do you use "Visual feedback"? | 12:51 |
| infinity | mvo : I'm going to run through the installer all over again and not click the icon this time, so I can see what state the installer is leaving the notifications in... | 12:53 |
| doko_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 doko 2500 8815840 Oct 12 10:35 ia32-libs_1.4ubuntu2_amd64.deb | 12:53 |
| doko_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 doko 2500 9172382 Oct 12 10:51 ia32-libs_1.4ubuntu3_amd64.deb | 12:53 |
| doko_ | Kamion: ok to upload? | 12:53 |
| mvo | infinity: thanks, I'll look for it on my next install too | 12:53 |
| Kamion | doko_: subject to having a look at the debdiff afterwards, yes | 12:54 |
| Kamion | doko_: (tested, I assume :-)) | 12:54 |
| Kamion | infinity: FWIW I don't remember seeing the same thing recently | 12:54 |
| infinity | If it doesn't do it on the second run, then this is non-deterministic, and I'm frightened. | 12:55 |
| infinity | I'm hoping it shows up again this time. | 12:55 |
| doko_ | Kamion: testing from the package makes sense with the changed oo-amd64 package only. but tested by copying the lib manually | 12:55 |
| infinity | Also, do we do a reverse DNS lookup to guess the hostname in the installer?.. I found it infinitely creepy that it knew my machine's name. | 12:55 |
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| infinity | (And cool) | 12:56 |
| fabbione | infinity: yes.. since a long time | 12:56 |
| infinity | I probably didn't have functioning reverse DNS the last time I did installer tests. :) | 12:56 |
| fabbione | when was that? pre-warty? | 12:56 |
| fabbione | i recall it working since warty :) | 12:57 |
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| pitti | bah, I got disconnected | 12:57 |
| pitti | pitti_live Kamion: I just saw it myself | 12:57 |
| pitti | pitti_live Kamion: mounting the CD in the chroot fails | 12:57 |
| pitti | pitti_live Kamion: that might be the reason | 12:57 |
| pitti | * pitti_live tries something | 12:57 |
| pitti | pitti_live Kamion: confirmed: when I umount /cdrom in VC2, it works | 12:57 |
| pitti | hno73: did you say something? | 12:58 |
| hno73 | pitti: It's just a general request to people who are doing testing to grab some screenshots of the latest desktop, if you have a chance (for the website) | 01:00 |
| hno73 | if it's convenient | 01:00 |
| Kamion | doko_: "changed oo-amd64 package"> I didn't think oo-amd64 needed to be changed | 01:01 |
| pitti | Kamion: since the install was totally screwed now, I'll try it again and report back | 01:05 |
| doko_ | Kamion: why? I need to add the lib to LD_PRELOAD | 01:06 |
| Mithrandir | doko_: why do you need to do that? | 01:06 |
| doko_ | Mithrandir: to get the help working? | 01:07 |
| Mithrandir | doko_: I hope ooo2 doesn't try to dlopen with full path? | 01:08 |
| Kamion | pitti: hmm, it just worked fine for me on i386/expert | 01:08 |
| Kamion | pitti: did you select all the defaults? | 01:08 |
| segfault | Has anyone tried the latest breezy kernel and VMware 5? | 01:09 |
| pitti | Kamion: mostly; I said no to pcmcia support and did not copy the packages to hd at first | 01:09 |
| Kamion | pitti: AH | 01:09 |
| pitti | Kamion: after the first failure and killing, I copied the packages to hd and tried again, but same result | 01:09 |
| segfault | some oops around here. | 01:09 |
| Kamion | pitti: don't do that then :-) | 01:09 |
| doko_ | Mithrandir: ahh, ok, I was missing a ldconfig after the manual installation | 01:09 |
| mvo | Kamion: i386/expert worked fine for me too, I didn't copied the packages, but inserted the cd during boot | 01:10 |
| mvo | ^--- pitti | 01:10 |
| pitti | Kamion: copying packages to hd is evil (from my POV), so I first tried without :-) and the menu doesn't force me to do it, so I didn't | 01:10 |
| pitti | mvo: ok, that's the case of my ppc; but I'm not even at the reboot stage on amd64 | 01:10 |
| Kamion | pitti: if that's the only situation where it fails, I'm happy to live with the problem for breezy | 01:10 |
| pitti | yes | 01:11 |
| pitti | I try it with copying ackages now | 01:11 |
| pitti | bbl, maybe my main network returns soon | 01:11 |
| pitti | mvo: please ring my mobile or landline if I should go online | 01:11 |
| pitti | mvo: is that possible? | 01:11 |
| pitti | mvo: I need to go offline for a bit | 01:11 |
| mvo | pitti: /msg | 01:12 |
| Lathiat | when do the archives close? | 01:13 |
| Lathiat | universe wise | 01:13 |
| ajmitch | Lathiat: not yet, it seems | 01:14 |
| ajmitch | for hoary it was just before release | 01:14 |
| Lathiat | i guess | 01:14 |
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| Lathiat | just wanting to sync avahi 0.5.2-2 | 01:15 |
| ajmitch | what's new in it? | 01:15 |
| Lathiat | just a couple dependancy fixes | 01:15 |
| Riddell | Kamion: are the current ubuntu dvds excpected to be final? | 01:15 |
| Kamion | Riddell: no | 01:16 |
| ajmitch | getting a sync might be a challenge, mdz/kamion/elmo will be flat out | 01:16 |
| Kamion | but more or less final in terms of content | 01:16 |
| ajmitch | I guess you could do a straight upload with those fixes as -1ubuntu1 | 01:16 |
| Kamion | no don't do that | 01:16 |
| Kamion | I'll do a sync in a moment | 01:16 |
| ajmitch | though it's not the best thing | 01:16 |
| ajmitch | Kamion: oh good, thanks :) | 01:16 |
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| Kamion | where does avahi come from? debian? | 01:16 |
| ajmitch | experimental | 01:16 |
| Lathiat | Kamion: experimental | 01:16 |
| Lathiat | bah i just mailed elmo | 01:16 |
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| ajmitch | Lathiat: so mail him to say it's been done | 01:17 |
| mvo | Kamion: amd64/expert looks fine so far (with pkg copyied to hd), stage2 almost finished | 01:17 |
| Kamion | Lathiat: ITYM incoming | 01:18 |
| ajmitch | yeah, it's probably still stuck there | 01:18 |
| infinity | mvo : Second fresh install, lightbulb is back again. What state files do you need to see to debug this? | 01:19 |
| mvo | infinity: I'm doing a fresh install myself right now, but you can /msg me /etc/update-notifier/hooks_seen, ls -laR /var/lib/update-notifier/ and cat /proc/uptime | 01:20 |
| Kamion | Lathiat: I don't know how to do syncs from incoming (i.e. how to get the Sources file); you'll have to ask elmo | 01:21 |
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| Lathiat | Kamion: ok | 01:21 |
| pitti | yay network back | 01:21 |
| Lathiat | hopefully by the time elmo gets my mail it will hit experimental | 01:21 |
| pitti | doko_: do you know the amd64 ooo failure reason now? | 01:22 |
| pitti | doko_: I just did ppc/expert and it worked | 01:22 |
| infinity | mvo : Kay, will in a bit. I need to make some food; the natives are restless. | 01:22 |
| infinity | mvo : On a hunch, try installing with "the clock isn't set to UTC" (which I did, because this dual-boots with Windows) | 01:23 |
| doko_ | pitti: copy libdb-4.2.so from an i386 installation into /usr/lib32 | 01:24 |
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| mvo | infinity: I think that's the problem. I haven't seen it in the test-installs I did so far (and I did a lot :) but that's because I always set to UTC | 01:26 |
| mvo | infinity: strange, this bug is probably around for some time then | 01:27 |
| pitti | doko_: ok, so you know the reason; thanks | 01:27 |
| pitti | Kamion: bad news - I did the expert installation again (amd64) with copying packages | 01:28 |
| pitti | Kamion: same result - I have to umount /cdrom and kill the apt-get process, then reattempt grub instalation | 01:28 |
| mvo | pitti: worked fine here (amd64, with copying) | 01:29 |
| Kamion | pitti: was grub copied to /target/var/cache/apt/archives/, *before* you fiddled with it? | 01:29 |
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| jkrogh | Is the latest amd64-smp kernel broken? | 01:30 |
| jkrogh | Kernel BUG at "mm/mmap.c":1937 | 01:31 |
| jkrogh | http://krogh.cc/~jesper/report | 01:31 |
| Treenaks | who uses mmap anyway :P | 01:32 |
| Kamion | elmo: please change breezy's Release file to say "Ubuntu Breezy 5.10"; we don't want it Untouchable yet, but this will let me build really-candidate CDs | 01:43 |
| \sh | I hope my day off from work tomorrow will be approved | 01:43 |
| pitti | Kamion: I'm 80% sure that it wasn't, but I have to check | 01:43 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: Can I upload a new acpi-support to disable laptop-mode by default? | 01:44 |
| Kamion | mjg59: urgh. What exactly's the problem? | 01:44 |
| mjg59 | It causes various machines to hang | 01:44 |
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| mjg59 | In a way that I can't reproduce and which seems to make no sense whatsoever, but still | 01:44 |
| Kamion | and the consequences (apart from making us have to rebuild all the live filesystems)? | 01:45 |
| ajmitch | \sh: you deserve a day off :) | 01:45 |
| pitti | Kamion: 100% sure; it isn't in apt cache even after installing it (obvious, since installing from CD doesn't copy packages) | 01:45 |
| ajmitch | \sh: feeling ill still, or just want to rest? | 01:45 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: Higher power consumption on laptops | 01:45 |
| \sh | ajmitch: I want it, because I want to have a test install run tonight :) | 01:45 |
| mjg59 | mdz requested the change | 01:45 |
| Lathiat | mmm nifty, just got a support request through to a little non profit isp i look after and the user was using breezy firefox :) | 01:45 |
| ajmitch | haha | 01:45 |
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| ajmitch | \sh: nearly 1AM here, but I doubt I can get a day off tomorrow :) | 01:45 |
| pitti | Kamion: so probably grub should be copied, too, or even better, the CD should always be unmounted after apt setup? | 01:45 |
| Kamion | pitti: what effect would DEBCONF_PRIORITY=low have on either of those things? | 01:46 |
| \sh | ajmitch: *g* | 01:46 |
| Kamion | pitti: grub wasn't copied in hoary and it did no harm | 01:46 |
| Kamion | and it isn't copied in normal installa | 01:46 |
| Kamion | installs | 01:46 |
| ajmitch | \sh: I'll just have to have a quiet beer to celebrate the release after work :) | 01:46 |
| Kamion | mjg59: when did he request it? | 01:47 |
| Kamion | (bug number?) | 01:47 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6108 | 01:47 |
| Kamion | mjg59: urgh, that was a week ago :( | 01:48 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: I'd also like to disable starting irda services on resume, because it hangs some machines on resume (including the HPs) | 01:48 |
| Kamion | but ok | 01:48 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: Yeah. Sorry, I missed the mail | 01:49 |
| Kamion | right, do what you have to and no more | 01:49 |
| mjg59 | Ok | 01:49 |
| Kamion | thanks | 01:49 |
| seb128 | Kamion: is the eom stage2 of the installer different? it has some untranslated strings | 01:50 |
| pitti | Kamion: I have no idea; I just reproduced it three times now | 01:50 |
| Kamion | seb128: #17366. they're untranslatable right now | 01:50 |
| seb128 | thanks | 01:50 |
| mvo | pitti: that was amd64/export, any other options? I can't reproduce it here :/ | 01:51 |
| Kamion | pitti: I'm strongly disinclined to randomly perturb an area of code I know to be very delicate when we don't even understand the problem | 01:51 |
| pitti | mvo: yes, I only changed one question (not install pcmcia) | 01:52 |
| Kamion | pitti: AFAIK the CD is left mounted at that point in order to allow apt to read packages from it | 01:52 |
| Kamion | unmounting it would break things | 01:52 |
| mvo | pitti: ok, I didn't included that too. I'll give it another try soon | 01:52 |
| pitti | Kamion: but if you can't mount the CD in the chroot a second time, it at least explains the effect | 01:52 |
| pitti | ok, if it works for mvo, it's prolly not a blocker | 01:53 |
| Kamion | pitti: why is apt trying to mount it a second time at all? it shouldn't be | 01:53 |
| Kamion | we bind-mount /cdrom to /target/cdrom in base-installer, and leave it that way until near the start of prebaseconfig | 01:54 |
| pitti | Kamion: because it wants to install grub, which is on the CD, but not in apt cache | 01:54 |
| Kamion | pitti: but the CD is already mounted; it should not be remounting it | 01:54 |
| pitti | Kamion: the CD does not appear as mounted in /target | 01:54 |
| pitti | ok, I will check the bind mount next time | 01:54 |
| Kamion | ok, so the question is what is unmounting it | 01:54 |
| pitti | Kamion: unmouting? | 01:55 |
| Kamion | presumably apt-setup, but why only in expert installs? | 01:55 |
| pitti | I'll just finish this installation to test the desktop stuff, update the wiki, and try it again | 01:55 |
| pitti | and I'll watch out for the bind mount | 01:55 |
| pitti | I definitively know that "mount" does not print the CD | 01:55 |
| pitti | I'll check | 01:55 |
| Kamion | I think apt-setup unmounts and remounts | 01:55 |
| Kamion | but that's normally ok | 01:56 |
| pitti | ok, I change computer and give back this one, brb | 01:56 |
| Kamion | 'mount' might not print it | 01:56 |
| Kamion | 'ls /target/cdrom/' to be sure | 01:56 |
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| Kamion | pitti: I really wish you'd use screen ... makes it hard to have a conversation with you when you keep disappearing | 01:58 |
| Kamion | pitti: anyway, if you could put 'set -x' near the top of /target/usr/sbin/apt-setup before the apt configuration stage runs, that'd be helpful | 01:58 |
| Kamion | the shell trace should land in /var/log/syslog | 01:58 |
| \sh | wow....breezy update party today in the NOC of ISH ;) | 02:00 |
| pitti | Kamion: will do | 02:00 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: Ok, incoming | 02:01 |
| Kamion | doko: your ia32-libs upload includes a number of non-changelogged package updates | 02:03 |
| Kamion | doko: I would much prefer to have *only* the libdb4.2 addition | 02:03 |
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| doko | Kamion: hmm, so don't rebuild the package, just do a fake rebuild? | 02:07 |
| devid | hi to all . there is someone who can help me? | 02:07 |
| bob2 | devid: this is not a support channel, particularily when people are trying to do a release; if you need help, try #ubuntu | 02:07 |
| jkrogh | Can I find "older" kernel packages somewhere? | 02:07 |
| Kamion | doko: yes - I'd like the only change in a debdiff from 1.4ubuntu2 to be the addition of libdb4.2 | 02:07 |
| devid | i must use the command top to modify the priority of the process | 02:07 |
| Kamion | and the libdb-4.2.so munging | 02:08 |
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| Kamion | we don't have time to deal with any unexpected problems caused by a general fetch-and-build update any more, I'm afraid | 02:08 |
| doko | Kamion: reupload as ubuuntu3 or ubuntu4? | 02:08 |
| Kamion | ubuntu4, please | 02:08 |
| pitti | doko: I unpacked the i386 libdb-4.2.so, put it into /usr/lib32, called ldconfig, but no change - did I forget anything? | 02:10 |
| maswan | \sh: ISH? | 02:10 |
| sabdfl | devid: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+tickets | 02:11 |
| pitti | seb128: in oem, you have to reboot to be able to log in, that's intended | 02:13 |
| seb128 | pitti: how so? | 02:13 |
| seb128 | pitti: beeing pushed to a gdm screen asking for a login with no login available is intended? That's plainly wrong ... | 02:13 |
| doko | pitti: that was the thing, that did work for me. please call: strace32 -e trace=open -EGTK_PATH=/usr/lib32/gtk-2.0 -ELD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib32/libpangohack.so.0.0 /usr/lib/openoffice2/program/soffice.bin.real | 02:14 |
| pitti | seb128: the intention is that the OEM installs the system, does a check, shuts down, and at next reboot, the user will register his account | 02:14 |
| pitti | fabbione: you tried autoresizing - does that only work with vfat? I never got this alternative offerered | 02:14 |
| seb128 | pitti: right, but it didn't reboot, it jumped on the gdm login screen | 02:14 |
| pitti | seb128: right, that should be improved | 02:15 |
| fabbione | pitti: i did try with ext3.. i got it in partman | 02:15 |
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| seb128 | pitti: do you have some free space? | 02:15 |
| doko | pitti: updated ia32-libs on p.u.c/~doko | 02:15 |
| mvo | ogra: in oem-hwdb mode I get "network test", under it "is your *mouse* working properly" and then it hangs (I don't have a network setup) | 02:15 |
| pitti | seb128: on my hd? yes | 02:15 |
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| nomed | i'm trying breezy .. it seems /etc/hal/device.d is not present ...where should i put my old hald scripts? | 02:15 |
| seb128 | pitti: that's probably why you don't get the option | 02:15 |
| seb128 | mvo: exactly the same here | 02:16 |
| pitti | fabbione: ok, thanks. I only have reiserfs, vfat, and xfs partitions | 02:16 |
| seb128 | mvo: then cancel and welcome to gdm with no login :p | 02:16 |
| pitti | doko: where is strace32? | 02:16 |
| fabbione | pitti: i did try ext3 because it was there | 02:16 |
| ogra | mvo, hmm, i never tested in oem mode... | 02:16 |
| mvo | seb128: hrm :/ | 02:16 |
| pitti | ogra: confirmed, for me too | 02:16 |
| mvo | ogra: is there a way to cancel the the network test? | 02:16 |
| pitti | ogra: and the sound check is broken | 02:16 |
| seb128 | yeah, no sound here neither | 02:16 |
| ogra | f*ck | 02:16 |
| doko | pitti: copy from i386 | 02:17 |
| seb128 | during the eom mode | 02:17 |
| seb128 | works fine once on the desktop | 02:17 |
| mvo | Kamion: is pkgsel run before the timezone question? | 02:18 |
| doko | pitti: help works for me | 02:18 |
| pitti | doko, I try your package | 02:18 |
| pitti | seb128: why free space? | 02:18 |
| mvo | ogra: anything I can kill to cancel the network test? | 02:18 |
| dholbach | mvo: fping? | 02:18 |
| dholbach | ogra: didnt you use fping? | 02:19 |
| seb128 | pitti: no need to autoresize if you have an available partition | 02:19 |
| ogra | dholbach, yup, its a dependency | 02:19 |
| seb128 | pitti: just a random guess | 02:19 |
| mvo | dholbach: thanks, but looks like it's not runing | 02:19 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, no, everything is already partitioned | 02:19 |
| dholbach | mvo: gets called in the code though | 02:20 |
| mvo | dholbach: haven't seen it in ps ax :/ | 02:20 |
| dholbach | mvo: :-( | 02:20 |
| pitti | doko: I installed your new ia32-libs, start OO.o, no help | 02:20 |
| seb128 | dholbach: the network tab just breaks, it has no "next" button and a label about the mouse | 02:21 |
| pitti | doko: ah, -help-en-us is not installed | 02:21 |
| doko | pitti: works for me on two different installations ... | 02:21 |
| doko | pitti !!! | 02:21 |
| doko | :) | 02:21 |
| pitti | doko: l-support-en is not installed in expert more as it seems | 02:21 |
| pitti | doko: ok, confirmed, works now | 02:21 |
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| pitti | mvo: in your amd64/expert installation, was l-support-en installed? | 02:23 |
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| pitti | mvo: for me it's not, but I don't regard it as blocker for expert | 02:23 |
| mvo | pitti: I'm going to test that next | 02:24 |
| Kamion | mvo: no, pkgsel runs long after, in the second stage | 02:24 |
| pitti | mvo: you marked OO-o failure, so you just didn't check the reason? | 02:25 |
| Kamion | seb128: login 'oem' with the password you selected in the first stage | 02:25 |
| Kamion | seb128: that stuff was changed too late to be able to add UI for it | 02:25 |
| pitti | mvo: would be nice to confirm that from a second person | 02:25 |
| mvo | pitti: I didn't check the reason, no | 02:26 |
| Kamion | seb128: it should be in the release notes; I'll fix that | 02:26 |
| seb128 | Kamion: thanks | 02:27 |
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| dholbach | i'll rush out for some fresh air and something to eat, brb | 02:32 |
| Kamion | seb128: done | 02:32 |
| Kamion | pitti: you don't get autoresize offered if sufficient numbers of partitions won't fit in your partition table | 02:33 |
| Kamion | pitti: this is not uncommon with PC partition tables because they suck | 02:33 |
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| \sh | maswan: 2nd biggest cable tv provider in germany :) | 02:33 |
| Kamion | pitti: we attempt to offer autoresize on swap/ext2/ext3/fat32/ntfs at the moment; can probably extend that to reiserfs/xfs in future | 02:34 |
| Kamion | oh, and hfs/hfsplus | 02:34 |
| pitti | Kamion: yes, that sounds reasonable; I have three primary partitions on hda, and four on hdb | 02:34 |
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| pitti | (hdc actually, but doesn't matter) | 02:35 |
| pitti | I'll play around with it, though | 02:35 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: Did automounting ntfs partitions ever get fixed? | 02:35 |
| mvo | Kamion: the notification comes up when I install internal clock not UTC, the ctime of the notification message is almost 2h newer than the time writen into the hooks_seen file | 02:36 |
| Kamion | mjg59: yeah, partman-basicfilesystems 32ubuntu2, five days ago | 02:36 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: Rock, thanks | 02:37 |
| pitti | bah, resolvconf is soo broken... | 02:37 |
| Kamion | mvo: oh, don't tell me I got the date invocation wrong :( | 02:37 |
| Kamion | pitti: right, need one primary partition for / and somewhere to put a logical partition for swap | 02:37 |
| Kamion | at minimum | 02:37 |
| mvo | Kamion: I'm looking into it now, after so many test installs my head is spinning a bit, give me some minutes | 02:37 |
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| maswan | \sh: ah :) | 02:39 |
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| fabbione | hey maswan | 02:41 |
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| Kamion | doko: ia32-libs approved | 02:44 |
| Kamion | thanks for that | 02:44 |
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| doko | pitti: just did see, that I missed openoffice.org2-help-nl. breezy-updates ... | 02:45 |
| \sh | wooo....hoary -> breezy upgrade on another nc6000 with {ubuntu,kubuntu}-desktop went really smooth... | 02:48 |
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| pitti | ah, autoresize worked great this time | 02:51 |
| xhaker | hard time accessing cdimage | 02:52 |
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| xhaker | elmo? | 02:53 |
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| Znarl | xhaker : Can I help? | 02:56 |
| xhaker | just wondering why i can't access cdimage.ubuntu.com | 02:57 |
| fabbione | xhaker: what protocol? | 02:58 |
| xhaker | simple http | 02:59 |
| fabbione | works from here | 02:59 |
| xhaker | wait. i'll try again | 02:59 |
| xhaker | connection re | 02:59 |
| xhaker | reseted | 02:59 |
| xhaker | so it seems it's being hammered? | 02:59 |
| Kamion | day before release, not surprising | 03:00 |
| fabbione | xhaker: it must be something between you and cdimage | 03:00 |
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| fabbione | works fine here | 03:00 |
| fabbione | Kamion: we are actually doing less traffic than usual (according to an italian isp) | 03:00 |
| xhaker | must be my university then | 03:00 |
| fabbione | because mirrors are all in sync | 03:00 |
| fabbione | and few uploads | 03:01 |
| xhaker | oh..talking about mirrors | 03:01 |
| xhaker | how would i go about making a mirror on my university? | 03:01 |
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| Znarl | xhaker : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive?highlight=%28mirror%29 has the details | 03:01 |
| xhaker | if i can get them to mirror the isos, or the archives.. do i need any permission from you? | 03:02 |
| Znarl | You do not need permission. | 03:02 |
| xhaker | thanks | 03:02 |
| xhaker | another thing.. is the daily image still 12.1? | 03:02 |
| pitti | Kamion: I'm on it: before apt-setup, there is /target/sys, /target/proc, and /target/media/cdrom0 mounted | 03:02 |
| pitti | Kamion: after apt-setup detected and added the CD source, this is still true | 03:03 |
| Kamion | xhaker: yes | 03:03 |
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| pitti | Kamion: but then it asks me for net sources, adds them, and afterwards all bind mounts are gone | 03:03 |
| rob_lap | is anyone else having issues with the update-notifier package? | 03:03 |
| rob_lap | 404 not found? | 03:03 |
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| pitti | Kamion: I have the set -x output, I'll copy it to another hd partition and will send it to you once my desktop has network back | 03:04 |
| pitti | mvo: did you add apt network sources in expert mode? | 03:04 |
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| bddebian | Hello | 03:05 |
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| pitti | Kamion: shall I try anything? I can add back the bind mounts and execute something manually if you want | 03:05 |
| mvo | pitti: not sure, what was your setting | 03:06 |
| mvo | ? | 03:06 |
| Kamion | pitti: set -x output will do for now | 03:06 |
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| maswan | fabbione: hi, sorry, we didn't get around to swapping disks. Hopefully RSN. | 03:07 |
| pitti | mvo: see above; the bind mounts disappear when I add network sources | 03:07 |
| fabbione | maswan: no problem :) main is all done ;) | 03:07 |
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| xhaker | will you rebuild an image today for testing? it looks like 12.1 is already well tested from what fabbione said | 03:16 |
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| Kamion | xhaker: yees | 03:18 |
| Kamion | er, yes | 03:18 |
| Kamion | if nothing else, 12.1 says "Release Candidate", we can't release it like that :) | 03:19 |
| HiddenWolf | Is anyone here a canonical guru involved marginally with PR? | 03:19 |
| xhaker | Kamion.. i meant for testing | 03:19 |
| xhaker | not release | 03:19 |
| Kamion | xhaker: yes, so did I | 03:19 |
| mvo | Kamion: what do you think about http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3011 ? | 03:20 |
| Kamion | we need to test the final image, we can't just rebuild and release | 03:20 |
| xhaker | ohh | 03:20 |
| xhaker | :) | 03:20 |
| xhaker | any ETA? | 03:20 |
| Kamion | xhaker: no | 03:20 |
| Kamion | mvo: hmm, I think it's post-breezy | 03:21 |
| Kamion | mvo: thanks for the fix though, we can roll it in first thing in dapper | 03:21 |
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| ajmitch | pitti: moodle in universe has security holes, want me to lookup CANs & put them in changelog? | 03:21 |
| Kamion | mvo: (I've applied it to my local copy) | 03:22 |
| pitti | ajmitch: sure | 03:22 |
| ajmitch | ok, google found it :) | 03:22 |
| mvo | Kamion: thanks, it now uses the ctime of the hook as initial timevalue, that shouldn't lead to any problem (at least I can't think of any) | 03:22 |
| Kamion | yeah, I think the problem is probably minor enough that we can get away with it as a known issue | 03:23 |
| pitti | mvo, Kamion: I described everything in #17637 | 03:24 |
| mvo | pitti: thanks, I just rebootet to test (wanted to figure the notification issue first) | 03:25 |
| \sh | ajmitch: wanna do the phpmyadmin security upload, too? :) | 03:27 |
| \sh | grmpf...brb | 03:27 |
| jkrogh | The amd64-k8-smp kernel oopses for me (#17636) Where can I find older versions to test with? | 03:27 |
| ajmitch | \sh: erm, what's the hole there? | 03:27 |
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| ajmitch | since pitti uploaded it awhile ago | 03:28 |
| doko | Kamion: hmm, ia32-libs did FTFBS on ia64, cannot fetch the changelog yet | 03:28 |
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| Kamion | doko: aargh | 03:29 |
| doko | s/changelog/build log/ | 03:29 |
| dholbach | elmo: could you please add pvm (sid) to your sync list? | 03:29 |
| bddebian | dholbach: No, you have to stand in line too ;-) | 03:33 |
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| Kamion | dpkg-deb: failed to open package info file `debian/lib32z1/DEBIAN/control' for reading: No such file or directory | 03:33 |
| Kamion | dh_builddeb: command returned error code 512 | 03:33 |
| Kamion | doko: ^-- | 03:33 |
| Kamion | doko: 1.4ubuntu2 failed too, we'll ignore this | 03:34 |
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| Kamion | the last version to succeed was 0.5ubuntu6 | 03:34 |
| Kamion | and that didn't make it to the archive | 03:34 |
| Kamion | ia32-libs | 0.5ubuntu3 | breezy | ia64 | 03:34 |
| doko | hmm, the fix looks simple however | 03:35 |
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| Kamion | doko: it's post-breezy | 03:36 |
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| mvo | Kamion: vim is acting strange in the install. I choose "edit sources.list by hand (in apt-setup)" | 03:42 |
| Kamion | mvo: #6627 | 03:43 |
| Kamion | best solved by disabling the editor option, I suspect | 03:43 |
| Kamion | (but only in the first stage) | 03:43 |
| mvo | Kamion: ok, thanks | 03:43 |
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| mvo | pitti: I can reproduce the hang now too (after adding the network sources) | 03:46 |
| pitti | mvo: see my bug report | 03:46 |
| Kamion | I need the log file before looking at it | 03:46 |
| pitti | Kamion: my desktop install finsihed 30 seconds ago, I'm at the phone, I'll attach it ASAP | 03:48 |
| Kamion | ok | 03:48 |
| Kamion | I'll be off testing the powerpc install for a while to see if I can duplicate this oo.o2-help-en-us thing | 03:48 |
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| dholbach | amd64 dvd memtest gives million rows of "0104" | 03:50 |
| dholbach | will check with amd64 cd | 03:50 |
| dholbach | same | 03:50 |
| dholbach | same for live :/ | 03:53 |
| mvo | dholbach: amd64 memtest gives me "Loading...." here (nothing more) | 03:54 |
| dholbach | hrm | 03:54 |
| dholbach | will try on i386 | 03:54 |
| dholbach | i386 dvd gives me 4000, but in a slower rate | 03:54 |
| mvo | dholbach: i386 just gave me the same result (but 6 times "Loading....") | 03:54 |
| mvo | on two different machine with two different cds :/ | 03:55 |
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| \sh | later guys | 03:56 |
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| zyga | hi again | 03:57 |
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| Kamion | dholbach, mvo: I'll look, but if you can try to figure out what's up, that would be great | 03:57 |
| Kamion | this used to work | 03:57 |
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| zyga | mvo: hi | 03:58 |
| dholbach | i'll look | 03:58 |
| mvo | hi zyga | 03:58 |
| zyga | mvo: problems with update-manager? | 03:58 |
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| mvo | zyga: I hope not, why do you ask? | 03:58 |
| pitti | mvo: are you still in the installer? I can't find my log, I must have put it on a partition that was overwritten | 03:59 |
| zyga | mvo: ah, some people on u-translators have noticed a regression in translations | 03:59 |
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| mvo | zyga: I'm not aware of this, it should be a rosetta thing I imagine? | 04:00 |
| zyga | mvo: yes something murky is still happening | 04:01 |
| Kamion | I'm fairly sure I tested memtest86+ since the last sync | 04:01 |
| zyga | mvo: okay back to work - I'll be out of your way untill dapper | 04:02 |
| mvo | Kamion: it works fine after the install, it seem to be broken when run from the cd | 04:02 |
| Kamion | whoa, DVD drive goes CHUNKCHUNKCHUNKCHUNKCHUNKCHUNKCHUNKCHUNK when I boot memtest | 04:03 |
| dholbach | mine didnt | 04:03 |
| mvo | Kamion: nice way to describe the sound :) | 04:03 |
| bddebian | hehe | 04:03 |
| bddebian | That's what my HD sounded like last night before it died completely :'-( | 04:04 |
| zyga | Kamion: lol :'-) | 04:04 |
| johnm | Kamion: freeloading tray, or a laptop tray? Thats normally unbalanced cd's or some such | 04:04 |
| Kamion | johnm: no, the disc is fine and boots normally otherwise | 04:05 |
| Kamion | tray's fine too | 04:05 |
| johnm | Kamion: btw.. gold star for the sound->text :) | 04:05 |
| johnm | Kamion: I blame electromagnetic solar interference. | 04:05 |
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| zyga | mvo: back so soon? | 04:07 |
| mvo | zyga: nah, just needed to switch network connection | 04:07 |
| Kamion | it's printing 8000 repeatedly for me on amd64/install | 04:08 |
| dholbach | i had 0104 on all amd64 disks and 4000 on all i386 disks | 04:10 |
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| dholbach | mvo was lucky, he even got a "Loading" test | 04:10 |
| dholbach | text | 04:10 |
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| j^ | arg, x cashes again after suspend | 04:12 |
| j^ | XV | 04:12 |
| j^ | i830m | 04:12 |
| j^ | it did not do this for some time now | 04:13 |
| j^ | could this be a regression in 6.8.2-77 | 04:13 |
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| pitti | mvo: got thrown out again, but in case you said something: I recovered the log now (forgot to umount last time) | 04:14 |
| mvo | pitti: ok, I rebooted since then | 04:14 |
| bslima | launchpad.net is down ? | 04:15 |
| jdub | bslima: looks ok here | 04:16 |
| bslima | trying to Save & Continue in translation and all i get is Programming Error | 04:17 |
| infinity | Argh. | 04:17 |
| Kamion | bslima: #launchpad would be a better place to ask about that | 04:17 |
| infinity | So, am I the only person who's noticed that hibernate just plai ndoesn't work anymore? | 04:17 |
| jbailey | infinity: WFM | 04:17 |
| infinity | jbailey : Did you try on a fresh install? | 04:18 |
| jbailey | From abvout a week ago | 04:18 |
| infinity | I get "reading image ... done" <random junk> "suspend= needs to be in your command line"... And yes, it IS specified in initramfs.conf, and yes I regenerated my initrd and tried again, for paranoia's sake. | 04:19 |
| infinity | Try with today's image. Humour me. | 04:19 |
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| Kamion | Unpack the file | 04:19 |
| Kamion | from the package and rename it to an 8.3 filename with an extension other | 04:19 |
| Kamion | than .bin | 04:19 |
| Kamion | oh, bugger | 04:19 |
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| dholbach | did the file name change in the meantime? | 04:20 |
| dholbach | (because as you said... it used to work) | 04:20 |
| Kamion | I changed it a while back to fix isolinux problems, but I think it always had .bin | 04:20 |
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| Kamion | however, not sure, and it's worth pursuing | 04:20 |
| infinity | jbailey : Interestingly enough, on my "ripe" installation, it doesn't work anymore either (though it used to), so it's not just new installs. | 04:21 |
| Kamion | if s/\.bin// fixes it, I can do that very quickly in debian-cd | 04:21 |
| dholbach | cool | 04:21 |
| infinity | s/\.bin/\.tst/ or something. | 04:21 |
| infinity | If it really wants the .3 | 04:21 |
| Kamion | nah, the FAQ suggests dropping the extension altogether | 04:21 |
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| infinity | Kamion : What editor is invoked in the "edit sources.list by hand" step in expert? | 04:24 |
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| mvo | infinity: it's vim, but the bug about it is known | 04:24 |
| infinity | Kamion : Whatever it is (well, it was /usr/bin/editor, apparently, but not sure what that would really be), it looked vi-like, and it also didn't work. | 04:25 |
| ivoks | jdub: ping | 04:25 |
| infinity | mvo : Oh, okay. Cool. | 04:25 |
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| infinity | I had to kill it, use nano, then run apt-get update in the chroot. | 04:25 |
| infinity | \o/ | 04:25 |
| mvo | infinity: I noticed it a bit earlier, don't have the bugnumer in scrollback anymore, sorry | 04:25 |
| infinity | I assume vim + boglterm = death? | 04:25 |
| jdub | ivoks: pong | 04:25 |
| ivoks | jdub: could you, please, add me to planet? :) | 04:26 |
| infinity | Well, other than known bugs, then, my only bug is hibernate. I should look into that and see if it's simple breakage, or something to live with for 6 months. | 04:26 |
| jdub | ivoks: you're in the config, but it hasn't been updated | 04:26 |
| infinity | mvo : Did you test hibernate on any of your installs? | 04:26 |
| ivoks | jdub: ? | 04:27 |
| mvo | infinity: no, doing that now | 04:27 |
| ivoks | hm.. | 04:27 |
| jdub | ivoks: hrm, actually, no you're not | 04:27 |
| ivoks | :) | 04:27 |
| jdub | and i can't see an email with a planet addition requesti from you | 04:27 |
| infinity | If it's only failing on my laptop, that'd be some kinda special. | 04:28 |
| infinity | But I can also deal. | 04:28 |
| ivoks | jdub: i didn't send any request | 04:28 |
| jdub | ivoks: aha, there you go | 04:28 |
| ivoks | jdub: i talked only with you about that | 04:28 |
| jdub | ivoks: please send your feed url to me via email | 04:28 |
| ivoks | ok | 04:29 |
| dholbach | did anyone try amd64-dvd-install yet? | 04:29 |
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| mvo | infinity: works here | 04:31 |
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| doko | dholbach: yes, life works fine, install as well | 04:31 |
| mvo | infinity: on my i386 test-system at least | 04:31 |
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| dholbach | doko: ok, then it was just a bad burn, it broke spectactularly for me | 04:32 |
| infinity | mvo : PATA, SCSI, or SATA? | 04:32 |
| infinity | mvo : I suspect it may only be broken (again) on SATA. | 04:32 |
| mvo | infinity: PATA, I have a SATA system here to test (but it sync the amd64 dvd right now, so I have to test later) | 04:35 |
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| mjg59 | Hang on, just let me get grub back on this system | 04:36 |
| jbailey | I always find the "failed to initialize HAL!" message a bit disturbing. | 04:36 |
| Kamion | dholbach, mvo: memtest86+ fixed; thanks for the report | 04:36 |
| jdub | Kamion: chance of seeing you at the formal hall tonight, score from 1 to 10? | 04:36 |
| pitti | jbailey: when did yo see this? | 04:36 |
| mjg59 | jdub: 0 | 04:36 |
| dholbach | Kamion: de rien | 04:36 |
| Kamion | jdub: meeting you at the pub afterwards | 04:36 |
| mjg59 | But he'll be along later | 04:36 |
| jbailey | pitti: A couple seconds ago on an i386 live CD | 04:36 |
| jdub | Kamion: ok, rad. | 04:37 |
| jbailey | pitti: It's still on my screen, I was just digging for the install report instructions. | 04:37 |
| pitti | jbailey: hm, WFM - can you please try to run "sudo hald --verbose=yes --daemon=no" to find where it crashes? | 04:37 |
| Kamion | jbailey: just on a hunch, can you check that /sbin/start-stop-daemon isn't the dummy version? | 04:37 |
| pitti | jbailey: maybe it also was never started in the first place | 04:37 |
| Kamion | I saw that the other day and still don't know quite why, but it might have been an artifact of other problems | 04:37 |
| bddebian | Hey what is sabdfl doing sending out an e-mail to vote for mjg59 when we can't even do it yet.. :-) | 04:38 |
| jbailey | Kamion: It seems to be a binary file. Is the dummy one a shell script? Otherwise, how do I tell? | 04:38 |
| Kamion | jbailey: it's not the dummy one then | 04:38 |
| Kamion | yes, the dummy one is a shell script | 04:38 |
| pitti | bah, brb | 04:39 |
| jbailey | pitti: I did see a /dev/mem permission denied fly past. | 04:39 |
| infinity | mvo : Alright, mjg59 can't reproduce it either, so I'm going to assume I'm just special, and investigate it post-release. | 04:43 |
| infinity | mvo : Weird corner-case "only Adam is affected" bugs hardly seem critical. | 04:44 |
| bddebian | infinity: You are definetly special ;-P | 04:44 |
| Kamion | come back, pitti, I want to talk to you | 04:44 |
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| whiprush | jdub: chief refrigeration engineer!! | 04:46 |
| mjg59 | Ooh, it's raining | 04:46 |
| whiprush | jdub: i'd like to run the stars of the universe tonite. but i can't for the life of me figure out how to inline screenshots. | 04:46 |
| bddebian | Stars of the Universe? | 04:47 |
| whiprush | just an overview of cool stuff in universe | 04:47 |
| whiprush | for the fridge | 04:47 |
| bddebian | Ahh, cool | 04:47 |
| dholbach | and cool people in universe :) | 04:47 |
| jdub | whiprush: can't do atm, other than using <a> | 04:48 |
| bddebian | Oh so \sh, slomo, dholbach, ajmitch, etc :-) | 04:48 |
| whiprush | k | 04:48 |
| dholbach | bddebian: and you | 04:48 |
| bddebian | pfft | 04:48 |
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| whiprush | jdub: would you be opposed to putting that story on the wiki then and just linking it? It kind of really needs screenshots. | 04:50 |
| pitti | jbailey: /dev/mem should be inaccessible to hal, that's fine | 04:50 |
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| pitti | jbailey: did the hal process stop or did it stay running? | 04:50 |
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| jbailey | pitti: It stayes running. I hit C-c, though to clear away the terminal | 04:52 |
| Kamion | pitti: right, so apparently you answered "yes" to the "Add another apt source" question, when the default is "no" | 04:52 |
| Kamion | the bug appears to only trigger in that circumstance | 04:52 |
| pitti | Kamion: yes, right | 04:52 |
| pitti | Kamion: but default install does add network sources - it does that differently? | 04:53 |
| Kamion | pitti: yeah | 04:53 |
| pitti | jbailey: hm, so it is unlikely that it died when it was called by dbus at boot | 04:53 |
| Kamion | it's a fabbione special | 04:53 |
| jbailey | pitti: Anything I can do to check it? | 04:53 |
| Kamion | we're ditching the current apt-setup and moving to a version specially written for use in d-i in dapper | 04:54 |
| Kamion | until then I think we'll just live with it - it's too complex to fix in a rush :( | 04:54 |
| pitti | jbailey: on the live CD it's hard since you can't alter the boot sequence | 04:54 |
| pitti | Kamion: I agree | 04:54 |
| pitti | Kamion: but at least we know the reason now | 04:54 |
| jbailey | pitti: Does it use initramfs? Can I issue a break to stop in that and climb in somehow? | 04:54 |
| pitti | jbailey: I doubt; dbus is started from normal init script, and hal from dbus | 04:55 |
| pitti | jbailey: at boot you could watch out for the dbus and hal messge, though | 04:55 |
| mdz | morning | 04:56 |
| Kamion | pitti: yep, glad about that | 04:56 |
| dholbach | morning matt | 04:56 |
| Kamion | pitti: just this powerpc oo.o2-help issue now | 04:56 |
| mdz | how do we look? | 04:56 |
| Kamion | mdz: what I just said to pitti, basically | 04:56 |
| fabbione | mdz: pretty good | 04:56 |
| mdz | Kamion: what's the issue? | 04:56 |
| Kamion | oo.o2-help-en-us isn't getting installed on powerpc, as yet undiagnosed | 04:56 |
| Kamion | I'm about to boot and try it out | 04:57 |
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| ogra | morning mdz | 04:58 |
| pitti | Hi mdz | 04:58 |
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| seb128 | hi mdz | 04:58 |
| pitti | Kamion: actually, language-support-en is not installed | 04:58 |
| Kamion | mdz: other than that, not bad - rebuilt livefses for acpi-support and ia32-libs bugs, everything else deferred unless it can be fixed easily in CD builds | 04:59 |
| Kamion | mdz: dholbach and mvo caught a broken memtest installation on the CD, fixed | 04:59 |
| pitti | mdz: we updated the BreezyTestPlan page eagerly | 04:59 |
| mdz | I asked for a phone call if showstoppers were found | 04:59 |
| pitti | darn, brb | 05:00 |
| fabbione | mdz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyTestPlanServer <- | 05:01 |
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| dholbach | fabbione, Kamion: installed nicely on amd64, just doing some basic testing | 05:02 |
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| Kamion | mdz: I'm sorry, I clearly missed that in scrollback :-( | 05:03 |
| Kamion | also, CONF.sh still said Release Candidate at last build (updated now) and dists/breezy/Release needs to say "Ubuntu Breezy 5.10" likewise before final builds | 05:04 |
| mdz | Kamion: you weren't up yet, but fabbione and pitti certainly were | 05:05 |
| fabbione | mdz: yes, but it's all undercontrol and the OO2 is fixed already. it only needs propagation | 05:06 |
| fabbione | mdz: so it's not so bad as it seems.. instead the tests look pretty good | 05:06 |
| Kamion | er, it is? the ia32-libs fix only affects amd64; pitti reported lots of failures on powerpc | 05:06 |
| mdz | fabbione: yes, but it was a showstopper and I was explicit | 05:06 |
| fabbione | oh ppc.. | 05:06 |
| fabbione | Kamion: missed the ppc bit... | 05:06 |
| mdz | ubuntu-desktop on powerpc doesn't depend on language-support-en either | 05:07 |
| Kamion | and so it shouldn't | 05:07 |
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| Kamion | base-config installs l-s-* separately | 05:07 |
| mdz | ah, yes, only live | 05:08 |
| mdz | I thought we just added that to desktop ages ago | 05:08 |
| Kamion | nah, I made archive-copier/base-config always install en | 05:08 |
| jdub | mdz: good luck | 05:08 |
| Kamion | I'm trying to reproduce the failure now | 05:08 |
| mdz | the oo.o2 help seems to work fine in my powerpc install from last night | 05:11 |
| Kamion | hmm | 05:11 |
| mdz | which was a plain english/us install | 05:11 |
| pitti | mdz: hm, then I did something different - did you install with network? | 05:11 |
| Kamion | pitti: was this a German install? | 05:11 |
| pitti | Kamion: yes, German without net | 05:11 |
| Kamion | pitti: please mention these little details | 05:11 |
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| pitti | ok, sorry | 05:12 |
| mdz | pitti: that one had network, I believe | 05:12 |
| Kamion | it'll certainly only affect non-networked installs | 05:12 |
| mdz | pitti: so it's language-support-de which was missing? | 05:12 |
| Kamion | well, likely | 05:12 |
| pitti | mdz: no, -en | 05:12 |
| pitti | mdz: -de is not on the CDs, and not essential | 05:12 |
| pitti | mdz: but l-support-en depends on ooo-help-en-us, which makes ooo help work | 05:13 |
| pitti | after installing it manually, it worked fine | 05:13 |
| mdz | pitti: oo.o2-help-de should make it work, too, of course | 05:13 |
| pitti | right | 05:13 |
| Kamion | it's possible language-support-de was out of date on de.archive.ubuntu.com at the time of the install | 05:13 |
| pitti | mdz: l-support-en and the help package are even on the CD, jsut not installed | 05:13 |
| Kamion | that explains oo.o2-help-de not being there, but not oo.o2-help-en-us | 05:13 |
| pitti | Kamion: btw, we talk about -en, which is on the CD (just to make sure) | 05:13 |
| Kamion | oh, of course, non-networked, so it won't have been able to grab -de | 05:14 |
| Kamion | pitti: yep | 05:14 |
| pitti | yes | 05:14 |
| fabbione | Kamion: could it be that base-config doesn't attempt -en if -de is to be installed? | 05:14 |
| Kamion | I don't think this is a showstopper, as described | 05:14 |
| Kamion | but I'll test it to make sure | 05:14 |
| fabbione | Kamion: see. i was right.. ppc was ok :P | 05:15 |
| Kamion | fabbione: anything's possible, but that's not what the code's supposed to do ... | 05:15 |
| bddebian | Hey folks, I don't know if it's an issue or not but last night I was re-installing on my thinkpad and my install died (bad CD I think) so I tried to update manually and metacity and thunderbird want to remove themselves but fail on postrm | 05:15 |
| pitti | well, installation without network should work | 05:15 |
| Kamion | pitti: I'm not disagreeing it's a bug | 05:15 |
| infinity | bddebian : postrm bugs aren't particularly release critical at this stage, but filing bugs never hurt anyone. | 05:15 |
| bddebian | infinity: OK, thx | 05:16 |
| bddebian | Except that I can't get the damn things to remove even with --force | 05:16 |
| infinity | No amount of forcing will fix a broken postrm, only editing /var/lib/dpkg/info/${package}.postrm will do it for you. | 05:16 |
| bddebian | Doh | 05:17 |
| infinity | But, odds are, you're in a special case group where "it broken because other stuff broke first" | 05:17 |
| bddebian | Aye | 05:17 |
| bob2 | unless it's dpkg --force-dont-run-maintainer-scripts or whatever it is | 05:17 |
| Lathiat | dpkg could dow ith an option not to run postrm | 05:17 |
| Lathiat | or prerm, etc | 05:17 |
| infinity | Anyhow, file a bug with the output and wtf appears to be wrong, postrm shouldn't fail even if the package is hideously broken, so it's a bug, just not a critical one. | 05:17 |
| bddebian | Lathiat: So fix it ;-) | 05:17 |
| Riddell | there's a lot of kernel output messages on these CDs. I'm sure that didn't happen in breezy | 05:18 |
| Riddell | in hoary rather | 05:18 |
| bddebian | infinity: Will do when I get home, I can't get to the machine from work since I couldn't install ssh because of it :-) | 05:18 |
| Kamion | You can certainly install packages even in the presence of a broken postrm. You might have to resort to dpkg rather than apt. | 05:18 |
| Kamion | pitti: could you 'echo GET localechooser/supported-locales' on the system that failed to install language-support-en, please? | 05:20 |
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| fabbione | Riddell: if you are referring to the [$lotsofnumbers] it's wanted and on purpose | 05:21 |
| pitti | Kamion: hm, I only saved the log files from that system; I need to reinstall it (takes ~ 45 minutes) | 05:22 |
| Riddell | fabbione: what's the purpose? | 05:22 |
| Kamion | pitti: does that include /var/log/installer/cdebconf/? | 05:22 |
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| Kamion | pitti: if so, questions.dat from there will do fine | 05:22 |
| pitti | Kamion: yes | 05:22 |
| fabbione | Riddell: be able to trace async kernel events that leads to crash and track it back to the real order of events. | 05:23 |
| fabbione | Riddell: and no.. it's not a boot option | 05:23 |
| Simza | hi fabbione :) | 05:23 |
| Simza | you're joining us harer, aren't you`http://www.montrealcam.com/en-biodome.html | 05:23 |
| pitti | Kamion: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/shots/questions.dat | 05:24 |
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| bddebian | Kamion: Aye, it was 1:00am so I wasn't thinking well :-( | 05:24 |
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| fabbione | Simza: hey | 05:24 |
| Simza | hm, when did I reconnect.. | 05:24 |
| Riddell | fabbione: ok, sounds useful :) | 05:24 |
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| Kamion | pitti: hm, looks fine | 05:24 |
| pitti | Kamion: I said "no" to "download language support", but I thought that only referred to l-support-de | 05:25 |
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| fabbione | Simira: i guess so... | 05:25 |
| Kamion | pitti: ah, now the penny drops | 05:26 |
| Kamion | pitti: that's the bug - saying no there affects -en too | 05:26 |
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| pitti | Kamion: aah | 05:26 |
| fabbione | pitti: TADADA | 05:27 |
| Kamion | pitti: if you answer yes, it should be harmless (install won't break due to that just because you have no network, AFAIK) and you'll get l-s-en | 05:27 |
| Kamion | definitely a bug, but not a showstopper because there's a workaround | 05:27 |
| pitti | Kamion: ok, since it said "download" I always said "no" since I can't download | 05:29 |
| pitti | alright, great | 05:29 |
| pitti | so if we get the new ia32-libs, everything should be fine? or are there any open issues left? | 05:29 |
| pitti | I assume we can't fix hwdb-client | 05:29 |
| Kamion | yeah; perhaps we should have just put oo.o2-help-en-us in desktop since it's more essential than the rest of language support | 05:30 |
| Kamion | but too late now | 05:30 |
| Kamion | I know of no other open issues, beyond the need for a CD rebuild in about ten minutes to fix the labelling | 05:30 |
| ogra | pitti, in oem mode ? i didnt even know it had a versio there | 05:30 |
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| Kamion | ogra: the OEM installer's "system test" is hwdb-client | 05:30 |
| ogra | oh | 05:31 |
| Kamion | seemed about as good as anything else | 05:31 |
| Kamion | pitti: what's the hwdb-client problem? | 05:31 |
| pitti | Kamion: sound test is broken, and network test hangs when there is no network | 05:31 |
| ogra | do you have fping in this mode ? it uses fping to get the replys | 05:31 |
| Kamion | pitti: bug, but not showstopper | 05:31 |
| pitti | but in the latter case you can kill the X server to continue | 05:31 |
| pitti | right | 05:32 |
| Kamion | ogra: we install hwdb-client and its dependencies | 05:32 |
| pitti | ogra: hwdb sound check works fine in normal system - what do you use? aplay? | 05:32 |
| ogra | else i'm not sure why it shows the network test at all, since it should skip it if no defaultroute is available | 05:32 |
| ogra | pitti, a gnome function... | 05:32 |
| pitti | ... which in turn uses esd maybe? | 05:33 |
| Kamion | ogra: GNOME isn't started at this point | 05:33 |
| Kamion | we just fire up hwdb-client in a custom display manager | 05:33 |
| ogra | pitti, which in turn uses what gnome uses | 05:33 |
| pitti | ogra: ok, that explains it - maybe use aplay then? | 05:33 |
| ogra | Kamion, ahh, that explains it.. | 05:33 |
| ogra | is aplay always available ? | 05:33 |
| Kamion | ogra: if you need something, depend on it ... | 05:33 |
| pitti | ogra: should be | 05:34 |
| Kamion | anyway, this is all post-breezy | 05:34 |
| ogra | Kamion, i depend on python-gnome2 iirc | 05:34 |
| mdz | Kamion: if we're going to rebuild anyway, is there a safe fix for the l-s-en issue? | 05:34 |
| pitti | mdz: we could seed l-s-en to the desktop seed, no? | 05:34 |
| pitti | erm, maybe only ooo help | 05:34 |
| mdz | pitti: we could, but that's intrusive | 05:34 |
| pitti | otherwise, let's just forget about it | 05:35 |
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| Kamion | mdz: everything that doesn't touch desktop that I can think of carries a risk of breaking server installs | 05:35 |
| Kamion | server installs preseed that archive-copier question to make sure language-support-* isn't installed | 05:35 |
| mdz | so this affects non-English, non-networked installs? or all non-networked installs? | 05:35 |
| Kamion | all non-networked installs where you answer "no" to that question | 05:36 |
| Kamion | (the default is "yes") | 05:36 |
| Kamion | oh, in fact, that means only non-English installs, because that question isn't shown in English installs | 05:37 |
| pitti | for dapper, it should not offer the question in the first place when installing without network | 05:37 |
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| Kamion | we can't reword the question because it's translated and shown in all non-English installs | 05:37 |
| fabbione | Kamion: isn't possible to just hide the question? | 05:37 |
| pitti | but that's not too bad for breezy now IMHO | 05:37 |
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| mdz | Kamion: what's the text of the question? | 05:37 |
| Kamion | fabbione: no, the question is there because it downloads lots of stuff, and if you're doing only two or three installs at the same time it really canes your network | 05:38 |
| Kamion | _Description: Download language support? | 05:38 |
| Kamion | The installation CD does not contain full support for your language. Do you | 05:38 |
| Kamion | want to download the required packages from the Internet? | 05:38 |
| Kamion | it's been there since hoary | 05:38 |
| mdz | and it asks this question even if no Internet connection is available? | 05:38 |
| pitti | yes | 05:38 |
| Kamion | yes, archive-copier doesn't know | 05:38 |
| pitti | that's why I said "no" in the first place | 05:38 |
| Kamion | and the first-stage network might be broken | 05:38 |
| Kamion | (e.g. ath0) | 05:39 |
| mdz | the natural response will be to say no if the network is unavailable | 05:39 |
| Kamion | I'm trying to think of a safe fix | 05:39 |
| pitti | Kamion: would seeding ooo-help-en-us to desktop be too intrusive? | 05:39 |
| mdz | I thought l-s-en was part of desktop | 05:39 |
| Kamion | pitti: well, mdz said above that it was | 05:40 |
| Kamion | that's certainly the safest fix | 05:40 |
| mdz | pitti: it also doesn't solve the problem | 05:40 |
| mdz | it's language-support-en which is missing | 05:40 |
| mdz | that contains other important English stuff | 05:40 |
| Kamion | yeah, it solves the most obvious manifestation though | 05:40 |
| pitti | mdz: but non-english installs won't miss them | 05:40 |
| pitti | mdz: l-support-en does not need to be installed by default on non-english systems in the first place (I always kill it) | 05:41 |
| mdz | what's the post-install workaround? can this be corrected with language-selector? | 05:41 |
| Kamion | I can possibly hack base-config and debian-cd in tandem | 05:41 |
| pitti | mdz: if you select English input help in l-selector, it should work (as any other language should, too) | 05:42 |
| Kamion | fwiw, the underlying bug has I think been there since hoary | 05:42 |
| mdz | that's easy enough to test | 05:43 |
| mdz | pitti: could you repeat your test with hoary and verify? | 05:43 |
| pitti | mdz: sure | 05:43 |
| mdz | if it's a hoary bug that no one has reported in 6 months then it's not a showstopper | 05:43 |
| mdz | it may not be anyway, but it certainly is a wart | 05:43 |
| Kamion | mdz: hmm, one safe fix would be to munge the Ubuntu preseed file to install language-support-en with desktop | 05:44 |
| Kamion | possibly Kubuntu and Edubuntu too, but inclined to leave those alone if we can't test them in time | 05:44 |
| Riddell | I can test | 05:45 |
| Kamion | that will be faster, too, since it doesn't require an upload | 05:45 |
| Kamion | hm, although Ubuntu proper doesn't actually have a preseed file right now; it would be better to upload base-config with a new default | 05:45 |
| Kamion | (less intrusive to people doing custom work) | 05:45 |
| pitti | Kamion: can I test this with hoary without doing a full install? it lasts forever on an iBook | 05:46 |
| mdz | Kamion: meanwhile, let's build final live CDs | 05:46 |
| Kamion | pitti: not any easy way I can think of | 05:46 |
| pitti | ok | 05:46 |
| Kamion | mdz: building | 05:46 |
| fabbione | pitti: isn't that bug reproducible on all arches given no-net and no-english install? if so you can use anything else than ppc :) | 05:47 |
| Kamion | right | 05:47 |
| pitti | ok, I use amd64 | 05:47 |
| pitti | but I have to log off IRC then | 05:47 |
| pitti | cu later | 05:47 |
| bddebian | OK, I have no patience for installing on a PIII 550Mhz.. :-) | 05:48 |
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| bddebian | jbailey: Tell me about it :-) | 05:50 |
| Kamion | Template: base-config/package-selection | 05:51 |
| Kamion | Type: string | 05:51 |
| Kamion | -Default: ~tubuntu-standard|~tubuntu-desktop | 05:51 |
| Kamion | +Default: ~tubuntu-standard|~tubuntu-desktop|language-support-en | 05:51 |
| Kamion | Description: preseeded set of packages to install | 05:51 |
| Kamion | mdz: ^-- | 05:51 |
| mdz | Kamion: any new failure modes you can think of? | 05:51 |
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| spayne | jbailey: don't waste you life - it will take most of it :) | 05:52 |
| Kamion | Riddell: to test with Kubuntu, do a normal install (without net and answering no to that question) and, just before you reboot, edit /var/log/debconf-seed and change '~tkubuntu-standard|~tkubuntu-desktop' to '~tkubuntu-standard|~tkubuntu-desktop|language-support-en' | 05:52 |
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| Kamion | mdz: if language-support-en isn't installable, none of the standard or desktop system will get installed | 05:53 |
| Kamion | mdz: oh, and the progress bar will jump a bit, probably | 05:53 |
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| Kamion | (because language-support-en will take zero time to install the second time round ...) | 05:54 |
| mdz | I'm leaning toward leaving it alone at this point | 05:54 |
| mdz | I'm not sure we have time for another round if something goes wrong | 05:54 |
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| mdz | we already need to roll a full set of CDs and DVDs and test them all | 05:55 |
| mdz | we don't do edubuntu DVDs, right? | 05:55 |
| ogra | mdz, we do | 05:56 |
| Kamion | mdz: before doing any CD builds, please remove mcmurdo.ubuntu.com from ~/.ssh/known_hosts and 'ssh mcmurdo.ubuntu.com', ctrl-c'ing the password prompt | 05:56 |
| ogra | its essential | 05:56 |
| Kamion | I've done that for myself and cdimage | 05:56 |
| mdz | Kamion: done | 05:57 |
| ogra | mdz, the CD had only space for -en ... kde langpacks are awfully big (15Mb and more) | 05:57 |
| mjg59 | Craptop works. | 05:57 |
| Kamion | mdz: that's my slight inclination too | 05:57 |
| bddebian | Craptop? | 05:57 |
| mdz | ogra: we barely have support for non-english languages on the ubuntu CD | 05:57 |
| Kamion | at least we know the failure mode here, and it's not *that* bad | 05:57 |
| ogra | mdz, yes, thats why a edubuntu DVD is important for people without internet access | 05:58 |
| mdz | ogra: they can only be essential if you can actually test them | 05:58 |
| ogra | my DVD writer is broken... let me see if i can get a new one until tomorrow... i'll download the DVD iso in any case | 05:58 |
| Kamion | if you can't test it, find somebody you trust to delegate it to | 05:59 |
| ogra | yup | 06:00 |
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| dholbach | me too | 06:00 |
| dholbach | and i'll get a bunch of new DVDs (as i take it, i'll need them) | 06:01 |
| mdz | dholbach: I bought 10 DVD+RW and they have lasted the entire lifetime of Ubuntu | 06:01 |
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| dholbach | mdz: i got CD+RW, but didnt manage to get hold of DVD+RWs, so i burned away all my DVD+Rs | 06:02 |
| ogra | dholbach, i have 10 lying around... come over and pick them up :P | 06:02 |
| dholbach | anyway, i'll be off to get some and get some food as well, brb | 06:03 |
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| ogra | mine erase quite well... | 06:03 |
| jbailey | Lathiat: Occasional stretch breaks are good. =) | 06:03 |
| ogra | and i use the same media since hoary for hoary, breezy and edubuntu testing | 06:03 |
| Lathiat | jbailey: heh | 06:03 |
| segfault | kamion: the second stage of installation is not translated to pt_BR, but those strings were translated in Rosetta | 06:04 |
| Kamion | segfault: those strings are not subject to language packs and need to be imported into the apt package | 06:05 |
| Kamion | segfault: I do not know what translations were imported before release | 06:05 |
| segfault | i sent to mvo, iirc | 06:06 |
| Keybuk | I just bought 200 CD-Rs instead, for about 10p | 06:06 |
| ogra | mdz, have you seen ThinClientHowto ? it has some weird additions | 06:06 |
| mdz | ogra: no | 06:06 |
| ogra | editing hosts.allow etc... | 06:07 |
| mvo | segfault: I probably only imported them into rosetta | 06:07 |
| segfault | mvo: :( | 06:07 |
| mvo | IIRC thery where after the non-langpack translation freeze, sorry :/ | 06:07 |
| ogra | mdz, and wasnt a hint to run ltsp-update-sshkeys in there before (in case the key isnt populated to the chroot) ? | 06:08 |
| segfault | mvo: you said i had one day, heh | 06:08 |
| Kamion | segfault: I'm afraid it definitely wasn't updated in the package | 06:08 |
| Kamion | it is too late to fix it now for breezy | 06:08 |
| mdz | ogra: no, ltsp-update-sshkeys is automatically run by -build-client | 06:09 |
| mvo | segfault: wasn't that the mail with the missing attachment ;) ? | 06:09 |
| ogra | mdz, i know, but i thought there was a sentence before... | 06:09 |
| jbailey | pitti: hal error didn't reproduce on reboot. | 06:09 |
| mvo | (or am I confusing you now with someone else) | 06:09 |
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| Kamion | mdz: daily-live updated | 06:09 |
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| pitti | mdz, Kamion: ok, install finished | 06:09 |
| segfault | mvo: yeah, that with missing attach i sent 27/09, then i sent another one in 28/09 | 06:09 |
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| pitti | mdz, Kamion: l-support-en is not installed either, but OO.o help WORKS | 06:09 |
| Kamion | pitti: hoary? | 06:10 |
| pitti | mdz, Kamion: (with hoary/amd64 networkless no download) | 06:10 |
| segfault | and the nonlangpack freeze was in 29/09 | 06:10 |
| Kamion | OO.o help was naturally handled in a completely different way in hoary | 06:10 |
| pitti | right, probably integrated into the main packages, or so | 06:10 |
| pitti | doko might know it | 06:10 |
| mvo | segfault: sorry, it looks like it got lost then. it is part of the installed system though (through rosetta) | 06:11 |
| Kamion | segfault: if this had been reported after the release candidate (when we'd fixed things not to strip translations from apt), it's possible we could have fixed it; it's too late now, I'm afraid | 06:11 |
| pitti | mdz, Kamion: hmm, looking closer: the help browser works, but you do need to install the help packages to make use of it; sorry, didn't look close enough at first | 06:12 |
| mdz | Kamion: we can live with the l-s-en bug; let's get install CDs and DVDs going | 06:12 |
| pitti | mdz, Kamion: so no regression | 06:12 |
| segfault | humm, no problem then | 06:12 |
| Kamion | mdz: they're going | 06:12 |
| doko | pitti: ? | 06:12 |
| mdz | Kamion: thanks | 06:12 |
| Keybuk | all passes on i386 for me, and with netboot | 06:12 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: cool, we've been light on pre-release netboot testing | 06:13 |
| pitti | doko: nevermind | 06:13 |
| Kamion | I did a Kickstart test the other day to make sure that still worked | 06:13 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: I always make sure I do, as it's the only way to install stuff on my laptop | 06:13 |
| Keybuk | X config still fails on my desktop, but I'm getting increasingly convinced it's a card fault | 06:14 |
| Keybuk | as the ATI fglrx driver doesn't think there's any monitors connected! | 06:14 |
| ivoks | maybe it's keyboard? :) | 06:15 |
| ivoks | kickstart has some issues when there allready are some partitions | 06:15 |
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| ivoks | installation freezes when one trys to run manual partitioning | 06:16 |
| mdz | Kamion: fabbione traditionally does netboot testing | 06:16 |
| bddebian | Damn, I can't catch a break. Now this machine at work hangs trying to configure xorg... :'-( | 06:16 |
| Kamion | ivoks: doesn't surprise me; interaction during a Kickstart install can be tricky, particularly in partman | 06:17 |
| ivoks | yup :/ | 06:17 |
| ivoks | i tried interactive since non-interactive didn't work :) | 06:18 |
| ivoks | Kamion: but appart that, kickstart works great with netboot | 06:18 |
| ivoks | i did 60 clients install in one day with it | 06:18 |
| fabbione | mdz: it's already tested for i386 (see wiki) | 06:18 |
| fabbione | Kamion: 99% of my installs are done via netboot | 06:19 |
| fabbione | Kamion: only at release i fire up CD's | 06:19 |
| Kamion | ivoks: cool | 06:19 |
| ivoks | Kamion: only thing that needs love is ldap auth after install :) | 06:20 |
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| seb128 | fabbione: where are the netinstall files? | 06:21 |
| fabbione | seb128: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/installer-i386/20050317ubuntu19/images/netboot/ | 06:22 |
| fabbione | change $arch as required | 06:22 |
| seb128 | fabbione: thanks | 06:23 |
| fabbione | np | 06:23 |
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| Keybuk | seb128: make sure you have tftpd-hpa installed | 06:25 |
| Keybuk | not the ordinary tftpd, it doesn't work for netboot | 06:25 |
| fabbione | and you also need a proper dhcpd config | 06:25 |
| fabbione | otherwise it's foobar | 06:25 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: k | 06:25 |
| Keybuk | yeah, untar the netboot tarball, and stick "next-server blah; filename pxelinux.0;" in the config for your dhcp | 06:26 |
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| Keybuk | (where blah is your tftp server) | 06:27 |
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| fabbione | Keybuk: yeah i just pasted him the config snippet | 06:28 |
| ivoks | there is one great howto | 06:28 |
| ivoks | http://wiki.koeln.ccc.de/index.php/Ubuntu_PXE_Install | 06:29 |
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| Keybuk | you can get a bit used to netbooting though :p I actually seed a couple of extra keybuk-* packages into it, which automatically pull stuff I always want and have postinsts to configure shit :p | 06:29 |
| Keybuk | so if I netboot my laptop, once it's done, it already has all the packages I want installed and is ready for me to drop in my home directory | 06:30 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: that's more or less what i do :) | 06:30 |
| ivoks | Keybuk: hehe i did script that does that for me :) | 06:30 |
| Keybuk | keybuk-launchpad-devel is a scary package, it rewrites postgresql config and stuff :p | 06:31 |
| ivoks | installs new kernel, compiles openmosix tools, sets up ldap auth, etc :) | 06:31 |
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| jbailey | The ppc64 live test that's wanted is just hte ppc image on a ppc64 box, yes? | 06:36 |
| jbailey | I don't see a separate ppc64 image. | 06:36 |
| mdz | i386/live, powerpc/live, amd64/live OK here | 06:36 |
| fabbione | jbailey: there should be a ppc64 kernel on it | 06:36 |
| mdz | jbailey: yes | 06:36 |
| mdz | jbailey: as fabbione says | 06:36 |
| Kamion | jbailey: boot with live-powerpc64 | 06:37 |
| mdz | BenC also has ppc64 I believe; has anyone seen him? | 06:37 |
| jbailey | 'k, thanks. | 06:37 |
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| ogra | janimo, you added ubuntu-express to your metapackage ?? | 06:47 |
| Kamion | it's in ubuntu/live too | 06:48 |
| ogra | heh | 06:48 |
| ogra | feels a bit like overhead :) | 06:49 |
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| mdz | Kamion: live CDs are OK here; ping me once there are install CDs to sync | 06:50 |
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| Lenhador | Hi! I'm trying to install an "user script" on Greasemonkey/Firefox, on Hoary, but my Firefox break with "segmentation fault"... what's happen? | 06:51 |
| Lenhador | how I fix it? | 06:51 |
| janimo | ogra, I don't bu tI see it's there in both kubuntu/ubuntu | 06:52 |
| janimo | maybe it's a diffrenece that they are doen on the server? | 06:52 |
| janimo | I just run update locally | 06:52 |
| janimo | and d onot use germinate | 06:52 |
| janimo | ogra, I thought ubuntu-express was postponed so I am suprised to see it there | 06:52 |
| ogra | yes, and the package you have in there is pretty useless... more a proof of concept than a program | 06:52 |
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| ogra | janimo, nice that you pulled xscreensaver in, make sure it gets started in xfsession ... in a sidenote, i tried xubuntu on edubuntu yesterday, its really slick :) | 06:53 |
| Kamion | janimo: did you adjust the seed URL in update to point to your modified seeds? | 06:55 |
| Kamion | look for http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/ | 06:55 |
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| pitti | why do we disable power management now by default? | 06:58 |
| mdz | pitti: why do we what? | 07:00 |
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| pitti | mdz: I just dist-upgraded, and the new acpi-support disabled power management | 07:01 |
| ogra | mdz, laptop mode disabled ? | 07:01 |
| mdz | pitti: what do you mean by 'power management' in this context? | 07:01 |
| pitti | mdz: well, the package just said so | 07:01 |
| pitti | * Disabling power management. | 07:01 |
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| pitti | I'm sure it is intended, I'm just curious about the reason | 07:01 |
| elvirolo | hi all | 07:02 |
| ogra | mdz, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6108 | 07:02 |
| ogra | pitti, ^^^ | 07:02 |
| mdz | ogra: I am familiar with that bug, yes | 07:02 |
| ogra | thats what was talked about before today in this channel | 07:02 |
| mdz | pitti: at what point does it print that message? | 07:02 |
| pitti | ah, thanks | 07:02 |
| pitti | mdz: after package installation (postinst, I assume) | 07:03 |
| pitti | oh, no, preinst | 07:03 |
| mdz | pitti: that is the message from the 'stop' action of the init script | 07:03 |
| infinity | pitti : Just edit /etc/default/acpi-support and enable laptop-mode, if you know it works for you. | 07:03 |
| mdz | nothing to do with 6108 or laptop-mode | 07:03 |
| infinity | It breaks for too many people to have it on by default. | 07:03 |
| ogra | mdz, | 07:03 |
| ogra | * Add some extra machines to the whitelists | 07:03 |
| mdz | <mdz> nothing to do with 6108 or laptop-mode | 07:03 |
| ogra | * Depend on powermgmt-base | 07:03 |
| ogra | * Disable restarting irda services by default | 07:03 |
| ogra | * Disable laptop-mode by default | 07:03 |
| mdz | ogra: that has nothing to do with pitti's question or the message he saw | 07:03 |
| elvirolo | does anyone know whether the spca5xx bug has been fixed in the last update or not ? | 07:03 |
| mdz | ogra: trust me, I do read breezy-changes | 07:03 |
| infinity | Oh, and yes, that message just meant it was stopping/staring on upgrade, I assume. | 07:04 |
| ogra | mdz, ah, sorry | 07:04 |
| pitti | infinity: yes, it did not start again | 07:04 |
| infinity | Neat. | 07:04 |
| pitti | infinity: so that's the new intended default; fine | 07:04 |
| mdz | pitti: errr | 07:04 |
| pitti | I really was just curious | 07:04 |
| mdz | pitti: no, you should get 'checking battery state' in postinst | 07:04 |
| elvirolo | ideas anyone ? | 07:04 |
| pitti | sorry if I caused confusion | 07:04 |
| Kamion | elvirolo: no | 07:04 |
| mdz | pitti: I do | 07:04 |
| mdz | Setting up acpi-support (0.46) ... | 07:04 |
| mdz | Installing new version of config file /etc/acpi/power.sh ... | 07:04 |
| mdz | Installing new version of config file /etc/acpi/resume.sh ... | 07:04 |
| mdz | Installing new version of config file /etc/default/acpi-support ... | 07:04 |
| mdz | * Checking battery state... [ ok ] | 07:04 |
| pitti | me too | 07:04 |
| mdz | pitti: the start/stop messages are quite confusing | 07:04 |
| pitti | ok | 07:05 |
| mdz | since they don't correspond to each other | 07:05 |
| janimo | Kamion, I adjusted the seed url to http://localhost/seeds as I have the branch only locally | 07:05 |
| infinity | pitti : Right, that's the (rather unintuitive) output from acpi-support starting. | 07:05 |
| elvirolo | Kamion: you don't know or you do know it hasn't been fixed ? | 07:05 |
| mdz | elvirolo: the kernel has been frozen for a week now | 07:05 |
| Kamion | elvirolo: no, it has not been fixed, and in any case the place for tracking bugs is bugzilla, not polling a development channel | 07:05 |
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| mdz | elvirolo: it has not and cannot be fixed for 5.10 | 07:05 |
| elvirolo | OMG, this is an *absolutely critical* bug | 07:05 |
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| mdz | I don't agree | 07:05 |
| pitti | elvirolo: it's not; it just affects a particular piece of hardware | 07:06 |
| elvirolo | the complete system *freezes* whenever one tries to access his/her webcam, even sysreq keys don't work | 07:06 |
| elvirolo | it would be better to have *no* support for these webcams rather than a system freeze! | 07:06 |
| Keybuk | it's not clear that this affects everyone | 07:06 |
| fabbione | elvirolo: it's absolutelu not critical | 07:07 |
| segfault | I've just finished an installation of x86 20051012 release in pt_BR, everything worked like a charm. | 07:07 |
| Keybuk | those it does affect have a simple fix, they can blacklist the module | 07:07 |
| elvirolo | and there's aslo the hp printers' bug | 07:07 |
| janimo | ogra, yeah xfce is slick but in the current state while better then what we had in hoary there are still rough edges.Many :( | 07:07 |
| segfault | besides that segond stage typo | 07:07 |
| Kamion | segfault: good, thanks | 07:07 |
| pitti | k, gotta leave for a while | 07:07 |
| Kamion | segfault: if you could note that on BreezyTestPlan, that'd be good | 07:07 |
| pitti | cu later | 07:07 |
| elvirolo | many people use hp printers, and many comments have been sent in the bugzilla, but nodoby seems to care | 07:07 |
| mdz | elvirolo: see /topic | 07:07 |
| ogra | janimo, yes, but its great as a lightweight desktop, i have many requests for this in edubuntu | 07:07 |
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| elvirolo | ok sorry | 07:08 |
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| Keybuk | elvirolo: there are always bugs in releases | 07:08 |
| mdz | elvirolo: I use an HP printer myself, and it works quite nicely | 07:08 |
| Kamion | janimo: ok, well that should work | 07:08 |
| ogra | janimo, note that we dont support sound yet in ltsp :) | 07:08 |
| segfault | and some wrong strings inherited after the latest langpack release, there's others relating same stuff in ubuntu-translators | 07:08 |
| elvirolo | Keybuk: yes but these have been reported AGES ago | 07:08 |
| Kamion | janimo: are you saying that the stuff filled in by update doesn't correspond to your seeds | 07:08 |
| Kamion | elvirolo: I have open bugs since before warty | 07:08 |
| Kamion | janimo: ? | 07:08 |
| elvirolo | well that's very bad | 07:08 |
| Keybuk | elvirolo: we don't aim to fix every reported bug within the 6-months; sometimes it takes more than one release to do it | 07:08 |
| Kamion | elvirolo: no, it's not | 07:09 |
| Keybuk | that's one of the advantages of a 6-monthly release process, if a bug misses a release it's not that long to the next one | 07:09 |
| Kamion | elvirolo: don't presume to tell me how I'm performing without having checked what the bugs in question *are* | 07:09 |
| elvirolo | well, my printer doesn't work, one of my friends' printer doesn't work ... what am I to say ? I can't use Ubuntu anymore! | 07:09 |
| Kamion | they're either less-important or hard | 07:09 |
| elvirolo | and she doesn't want to use free software anymore | 07:09 |
| fabbione | elvirolo: do you have patches for this bugs? | 07:10 |
| elvirolo | i don't mean to be blaming you, i know you're doing a great job | 07:10 |
| janimo | Kamion, sorry was away | 07:10 |
| elvirolo | i'm just telling that some things are wrong and are a drawback for ubuntu | 07:11 |
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| Keybuk | there will always be bugs | 07:11 |
| Kamion | yes, we sadly do not have the resources to fix everything | 07:11 |
| mdz | elvirolo: we're working on putting the release together right now; please take this conversation elsewhere or wait until after the release | 07:11 |
| mdz | we need to keep this channel clear | 07:11 |
| zyga | elvirolo: look at the problem like this | 07:11 |
| mdz | all of you, please | 07:11 |
| mdz | this is not on-topic right now | 07:11 |
| elvirolo | mdz: ok, i'm sorry | 07:11 |
| zyga | elvirolo: if there is anyone who can fix this, please - step up | 07:11 |
| mdz | I'm happy to discuss it, just not in the middle of release prep | 07:11 |
| elvirolo | yeah i understand | 07:11 |
| janimo | Kamion, no it corresponds to what I have in the local baz branch of the breezy seed list (I hope) | 07:12 |
| zyga | elvirolo: if not - then releasing another version is good anyway, it fixes lots of other bugs and brings new features | 07:12 |
| elvirolo | it's not the right time | 07:12 |
| Kamion | janimo: ok, great. sorry I haven't got back to you yet, it's just a nightmare week | 07:12 |
| janimo | Kamion, np | 07:12 |
| Kamion | you seem to be keeping up by yourself for the moment :-) | 07:12 |
| janimo | yes, but I guess I am too late in the game for breezy :( | 07:12 |
| Kamion | janimo: your universe change will go in | 07:13 |
| ogra | janimo, what i saw yesterday was really ok... | 07:13 |
| dieman | so with this reboot requried information in the info applet, is there any way to glean this information from scripts? (ie: some sort of reboot advised flag?) | 07:13 |
| Kamion | janimo: we can see what's doable w.r.t. CD builds later | 07:13 |
| Kamion | janimo: note that cdimage is maxed out on the number of derivatives I can support on it, but I'm happy to help you set up CD builds elsewhere later on | 07:13 |
| janimo | Kamion, thanks, but the packages are not in the polished state I'd like either | 07:14 |
| fabbione | janimo: it's still a very good start for dapper.. | 07:14 |
| janimo | ogra, I was planning integration with a volume manager, display mgr etc | 07:14 |
| janimo | fabbione, thanks | 07:14 |
| ogra | janimo, yes, but its a goot first timer to build on... | 07:15 |
| fabbione | janimo: so don't be too upset.. you have time to fix stuff around | 07:15 |
| ogra | *good | 07:15 |
| janimo | these two past weeks I was working all day but it's too much new stuff for me I guess | 07:15 |
| ogra | janimo, edubuntu has probably 70% of the stuff i wanted in... it will get released and attract people to help improve it in dapper... to get more helpinghands, you muist have something to present ;) | 07:16 |
| Kamion | mdz: install CDs published; I'll work through the other jobs as time progresses this evening | 07:16 |
| dieman | n/m figured out whats there | 07:17 |
| mdz | Kamion: shortest job first, please | 07:17 |
| janimo | ogra, yes I guess :) | 07:17 |
| mdz | Kamion: perhaps for dapper we can work out a sane way to do parallel CD builds | 07:17 |
| mdz | the build cycle has become incredibly long | 07:18 |
| Kamion | it ought to be doable, it's just a matter of making sure nothing overlaps | 07:18 |
| fabbione | or spread it across more machines | 07:18 |
| infinity | Is there a reason we can't do CD builds from the buildds like we do with livefs builds? | 07:18 |
| Kamion | infinity: LP will do it that way, AFAIK; rejigging it to happen before that is WAB | 07:19 |
| infinity | (other than debian-cd currently still requiring a local on-disk mirror, afaik?) | 07:19 |
| infinity | Kamion : Ahh. Right. | 07:19 |
| Kamion | infinity: if you're sane, you have an on-disk mirror regardless of whether you're using debian-cd or not | 07:19 |
| fabbione | well inside the DC local or not, the access is fast enough not to show much difference imho | 07:19 |
| Kamion | CD building is already reasonably careful to use different paths for different projects; install and live builds currently overlap | 07:20 |
| infinity | Sure, but having an on-disk ftproot on every buildd is a lot of rsync traffic all over, and a lot of extra disk space required. | 07:20 |
| Kamion | fabbione: it's not happening pre-LP, no way | 07:20 |
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| infinity | Anyhow, off-topic, carry on with your releasing. | 07:20 |
| Kamion | fabbione: I think we did the sums and found out it would add an appreciable amount of time (20 minutes or so) to every CD build even at max bandwidth | 07:20 |
| Kamion | but, later | 07:20 |
| infinity | I need to get some sleep. I'll have another test cycle in the morning, I assume. | 07:20 |
| fabbione | infinity: good night | 07:21 |
| dholbach | re | 07:21 |
| dholbach | night infinity | 07:21 |
| jbailey | The ppc64 livecd works better than my current install, apparently. =) | 07:21 |
| mvo | night infinity | 07:21 |
| infinity | Kamion : 20 mins added to each CD build when they're all done in parallel seems a win. | 07:21 |
| fabbione | Kamion: yes, that's right, but losing 20 minutes.. as infinity said.. | 07:21 |
| Kamion | infinity: doing them all in parallel without the extra 20 minutes seems like a bigger win | 07:21 |
| infinity | True dat. :) | 07:21 |
| jbailey | The only things off were that the keyboard map it detected was wrong jp102 instead of US, so it had the @ in the wrong place, and the CD didn't eject at the end | 07:22 |
| jbailey | Aside from that, it has sound from a kernel that I thought had no sound driver for it. =) | 07:22 |
| fabbione | jbailey: eheheh | 07:22 |
| Kamion | mdz: so basically, I can probably make it use a per-project lock easily enough, so that you can do ubuntu/kubuntu/edubuntu/ubuntu-server builds in parallel; since it's all I/O bound, that should be a nice speedup | 07:22 |
| mdz | Kamion: multiple CD build machines might be useful too | 07:23 |
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| mdz | Kamion: though we'd need to consider how to ensure archive consistency | 07:24 |
| mdz | Kamion: what was the ia32-libs problem while I was away? | 07:24 |
| Kamion | mdz: libdb4.2 was missing, which openoffice.org2 needed to start the help browser | 07:26 |
| doko | mdz: missing libdb4.2 | 07:26 |
| janimo | Kamion: you wrote earlier but just saw now "janimo: your universe change will go in". You mean xubuntu-related changes in uni after todays release? | 07:26 |
| mdz | doko: I could see that much from the changelog :-P | 07:26 |
| Kamion | janimo: not after the release, no | 07:26 |
| janimo | ok | 07:26 |
| Kamion | janimo: I meant the xubuntu-meta upload you made today | 07:26 |
| janimo | I see | 07:27 |
| Kamion | (openoffice.org2-core Depends: libdb4.2) | 07:27 |
| Kamion | we should have an automated way to check this, if multiarch is still some way off | 07:27 |
| mdz | yes | 07:27 |
| mdz | of course, this is really just fallout from bringing back oo.o2-help at the last minute | 07:28 |
| Kamion | right | 07:28 |
| mdz | which we won't (need to) do again | 07:28 |
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| Kamion | yeah, but I wouldn't like to bet money on oo.o2's dependencies never changing again | 07:28 |
| janimo | ogra, btw xscreensaver was already in upstream xfce-session so change needed :) .Just need to start with startxfce4 instead of startx | 07:29 |
| ogra | janimo, yup... | 07:29 |
| janimo | so _no_ change needed | 07:29 |
| doko | mdz, Kamion: native builds look better for 2.0, maybe it's worth to evaluate these for dapper | 07:30 |
| ogra | as long as it runs and you can click the lock icon its fine :) | 07:30 |
| mdz | doko: definitely | 07:30 |
| Kamion | doko: oh god yes | 07:30 |
| janimo | how long till universe closes? | 07:30 |
| Kamion | janimo: answering that encourages people to race the deadline | 07:30 |
| janimo | :) | 07:31 |
| Kamion | finish off, assume it's closing RSN | 07:31 |
| sistpoty | Kamion: will morgues be possible after the deadline? | 07:31 |
| ogra | janimo, i'd guess during the day tomorrow ... based on hoary experience | 07:31 |
| Kamion | sistpoty: after the deadline, breezy will become untouchable, so no | 07:31 |
| sistpoty | k, thx | 07:31 |
| ogra | but breezy isnt hoary, so who knows :) | 07:31 |
| Kamion | and it's "removals", sheesh. "morgue" is a noun :P | 07:31 |
| sistpoty | sorry, no native speaker ;) | 07:32 |
| mjg59 | elmo: Do you know what time jdub left? | 07:32 |
| doko | elmo: is there still to remove zope(2.6) from breezy? | 07:32 |
| elmo | mjg59: dunno, if he has - I think he detoured via sabdfl's | 07:32 |
| mjg59 | Crap. Do you have a phone number for him? | 07:33 |
| Kamion | Riddell: final-candidate kubuntu daily-live build published | 07:36 |
| Riddell | Kamion: what's the difference? | 07:37 |
| Kamion | Riddell: updated acpi-support, ia32-libs | 07:38 |
| Kamion | Riddell: fixed memtest boot option on CDs | 07:38 |
| Riddell | Kamion: is there a new install CD coming? | 07:39 |
| fabbione | it's already out | 07:39 |
| Kamion | fabbione: no | 07:39 |
| fabbione | oh sorry | 07:39 |
| fabbione | Kubuntu | 07:39 |
| Kamion | Riddell: yes, it's been building for the last few minutes | 07:39 |
| fabbione | never mind | 07:39 |
| Riddell | Kamion: ok. and DVDs coming today? | 07:40 |
| Kamion | Riddell: later, but yes | 07:40 |
| Kamion | (don't know exactly how much later yet, before you ask ... I expect it to be a long night) | 07:40 |
| Riddell | ok :) | 07:40 |
| dieman | dieman@runabout:~$ ./machine-needs-reboot | 07:41 |
| dieman | 1 | 07:41 |
| dieman | ok, that was simple enough | 07:41 |
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| Kamion | Riddell: oh bugger, I forgot to rebuild the live filesystems :-( | 07:50 |
| Kamion | Riddell: don't spend too much time on that, I'll do another build later | 07:51 |
| Riddell | Kamion: ok | 07:51 |
| Kamion | sorry about that, entirely my fault; kubuntu live filesystem builds running now | 07:51 |
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| zyga | Kamion: to build that faster you can use another boxes on your lan | 07:52 |
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| Kamion | zyga: I have no particular interest in keeping multiple cdimage build machines perfectly in sync pre-LP | 07:53 |
| zyga | Kamion: all you need is one process running on all those LAN boxes | 07:53 |
| zyga | Kamion: create_compressed_fs -l | 07:53 |
| Kamion | zyga: I do not control the buildds that do this | 07:54 |
| Kamion | I just trigger them remotely | 07:54 |
| zyga | ah | 07:54 |
| Kamion | zyga: and it's going to be about the live filesystem build time before cdimage is free to do the actual CD build anyway; there's no need to optimise stuff that is not on the critical path | 07:54 |
| zyga | building DVDs without this is a real pain unless you've got 8Gs of ram | 07:55 |
| mvo | Kamion: but the install/20051012.2 is fine (I'm testing it now)? | 07:57 |
| mdz | i386, powerpc and amd64 installs all in progress here | 07:58 |
| Kamion | mvo: yes, that's candidate | 07:58 |
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| Keybuk | 20051012.2 downloading ... | 08:04 |
| fabbione | i386 install in phase 1, burning live i386 | 08:04 |
| fabbione | given no uploads netinstall is still good | 08:05 |
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| mdz | please update BreezyTestPlan for the latest build when you test | 08:07 |
| fabbione | Riddell: ping? | 08:10 |
| slomo | elmo: please sync gpass from debian/unstable :) | 08:12 |
| Riddell | fabbione: hi | 08:13 |
| fabbione | Riddell: it looks like that "login manager" in Kubuntu control panel doesn't work. it asks to push the Administration mode button, you click, you get prompted for a password (the right passewd) and it resets the control like if you have done nothing. You can't change the settings | 08:14 |
| fabbione | Riddell: there might more in that status, that was the most obvious one | 08:15 |
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| Riddell | fabbione: that's a known problem with stikes randomly and malitiously, it's been in KDE for years but seems to happen more often when using sudo | 08:16 |
| mvo | mdz: update BreezyTestPlan in what way? clean from the results of older images? | 08:16 |
| fabbione | Riddell: it was working before the upgrade from 3.4.2 to 3.4.3 | 08:17 |
| mdz | mvo: replace the old entries with your new tests, or add it if there was no previous test in that cell | 08:17 |
| Riddell | fabbione: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/8681 | 08:17 |
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| mdz | mvo: my amd64/cd/erase install gets a PASS | 08:18 |
| mdz | i386 and powerpc are in stage 2 | 08:18 |
| mvo | mdz: i386/custom partition gets a PASS here too, doing server-install now and burning cds for amd64 | 08:18 |
| mdz | i386/custom PASS | 08:21 |
| mdz | Riddell: any luck with kubuntu install CDs? | 08:22 |
| mdz | Kamion: there doesn't appear to be any build in progress on little | 08:24 |
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| mdz | running an ubuntu dvd build then | 08:25 |
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| fabbione | i386/erase/standard is go | 08:27 |
| mvo | mdz: i386/server/custom is fine here | 08:28 |
| fabbione | mvo: ok i am updating the page | 08:28 |
| mdz | fabbione: while you're there, my powerpc/erase install is PASS | 08:28 |
| mdz | since it takes 4 hours to save the page each time we should batch the updates ;-) | 08:29 |
| fabbione | sure no problem :) | 08:29 |
| fabbione | ps i am also cleaning up the old tests | 08:29 |
| fabbione | the new live is .3 right? | 08:29 |
| mvo | fabbione: thanks, I clicked on "save" a moment before you wrote it :) | 08:30 |
| seb128 | fabbione: don't clean them, let people update them rather | 08:30 |
| mdz | Diziet: have you tested the current build yet? | 08:30 |
| mdz | fabbione: seb128++, keep the old tests in case we aren't able to repeat them at least we have the old data | 08:30 |
| seb128 | fabbione: other way you trash the issue before knowing if the new builds fix them for people who had them | 08:30 |
| fabbione | seb128: if we don't clean, it gets extremely messy to undestand who did test waht | 08:31 |
| fabbione | seb128: the new builds have only 2 bug fixes.. Release Candidate -> // | 08:31 |
| \sh | ok...now for the laptop testing and breezy testing | 08:31 |
| fabbione | and the ia32-libs | 08:31 |
| seb128 | still, they don't hurt | 08:31 |
| fabbione | seb128: ok i cancelled my edits | 08:32 |
| seb128 | thanks | 08:32 |
| fabbione | seb128: please add i386/CD/erase .2 is ok | 08:32 |
| fabbione | seb128: add also what mvo and mdz did | 08:32 |
| fabbione | seb128: + i386/livecd is go | 08:32 |
| seb128 | k | 08:32 |
| fabbione | seb128: winfoss from .3 livecd i386 is go | 08:33 |
| seb128 | you could as well update the wiki instead of listing here, that takes the same time | 08:33 |
| seb128 | and that would not dup work | 08:33 |
| mvo | heh, the problem with the wiki is that it's so painfully slow in saving | 08:33 |
| seb128 | and you would be sure there is not a com issue | 08:33 |
| seb128 | anyway, updating | 08:34 |
| seb128 | seems you are not happy to keep previous linue :) | 08:34 |
| fabbione | the page is too messy.. that's why i was cleaning it | 08:34 |
| seb128 | mvo: yeah | 08:34 |
| mvo | how importend is the "ubuntu-server" image? | 08:35 |
| seb128 | fabbione: easy, let's do a new table for the new set | 08:35 |
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| mdz | seb128: good plan | 08:36 |
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| \sh | elmo: please sync clisp 2.35-2 from debian unstable, thx | 08:38 |
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| Riddell | mdz: all the kubuntu CDs are working but there's a new install build just done that I'm rsyncing and new live on its way | 08:38 |
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| mdz | Riddell: live is waiting on new livefs builds, no? | 08:42 |
| Riddell | mdz: yes, I believe so | 08:43 |
| mdz | there was nothing building on little, so I did an ubuntu dvd build | 08:43 |
| mdz | once that's finished, kubuntu live should be ready to build | 08:43 |
| sistpoty | Riddell: after today's update, kmail lacks of opengpg... says s.th. about gpgme being compiled w.o. opengpg support. my fault or a bug? | 08:43 |
| Kamion | mdz: sigh, the command I typed into shell history was ignored when control returned to the shell | 08:43 |
| Riddell | sistpoty: a bug | 08:44 |
| Kamion | I'm keeping a list of what's done, I'll take it from here | 08:44 |
| sistpoty | Riddell: already known or should i file one | 08:44 |
| Riddell | sistpoty: known, I don't think a bug has been filed though | 08:44 |
| \sh | ok..step 1 in installation went without problems | 08:45 |
| sistpoty | Riddell: as in "go ahead file a bug report" or "don't mind, this is being cared for" | 08:45 |
| sistpoty | ;) | 08:45 |
| seb128 | wiki updated, I'm away a few min for dinner | 08:45 |
| Riddell | sistpoty: go ahead please | 08:45 |
| sistpoty | Riddell: will do, thx | 08:45 |
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| mvo | seb128: bon appetite | 08:45 |
| Kamion | mdz: I'll do edubuntu daily next, since that's more out of date | 08:46 |
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| jkrogh | About #17636 .. where can I find older Breezy kernel-packages to test with, so I can find the last "usable" kernel? | 08:49 |
| dholbach | jkrogh: you ask that for the 3rd time now, it's not the appropriate place, try in #ubuntu | 08:50 |
| jkrogh | Ok, I just thought it was a development issue that the current kernel wont boot on the hardware, that's why I ask here. | 08:51 |
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| sistpoty | Riddell: one last question to gpgme-bug, what package? libgpgme11? | 08:52 |
| mdz | who tested a server install with 20051012.2? | 08:57 |
| mdz | it has my name in the table, but I didn't test that case | 08:58 |
| mdz | ah, mvo | 08:58 |
| mvo | mdz: yes, that was me | 08:59 |
| mdz | fixed | 08:59 |
| mvo | mdz: are you editing right now? live/i386 is fine here too | 08:59 |
| mdz | jbailey: what was the result of your ppc64 test? | 08:59 |
| mdz | mvo: just saved | 08:59 |
| mvo | mdz: ok, I'm editing now | 08:59 |
| fabbione | i386/liveCD/good on 2nd machine | 09:00 |
| mdz | mvo: I think I got the lock | 09:00 |
| mdz | mvo: added your test | 09:00 |
| mdz | gah, you stole the lock | 09:00 |
| jbailey | mdz: Work. Keyboard misdetection in the installer (filed as a bug), and the CD didn't eject at the end of the live test. | 09:01 |
| mvo | mdz: sorry, I'll keep my fingers off it now | 09:01 |
| jbailey | I'm just rsync'ing up new images. | 09:01 |
| mdz | jbailey: how long did you wait for the eject? sometimes it takes a long time on powerpc for some reason | 09:01 |
| mdz | jbailey: oh, you were testing the old build? | 09:01 |
| mdz | jbailey: when you test the new build, update BreezyTestPlan please | 09:02 |
| jbailey | Right, it was from my nightly last night 20051012 | 09:02 |
| jbailey | I just saw that BreezyTestPlan has a new table. =) | 09:02 |
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| Riddell | sistpoty: kontact | 09:03 |
| Riddell | or kmail | 09:03 |
| sistpoty | Riddell: thx... will do | 09:03 |
| Riddell | thanks | 09:03 |
| ogra | mdz, if you have some spare ressources free, i think a edubuntu build is needed too for acpi-support changes... | 09:05 |
| ogra | otherwise the current iso is fine... | 09:06 |
| sistpoty | Riddell: FYI, i just found out that 17546 is already adressing this ;) | 09:07 |
| \sh | hmmm... | 09:08 |
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| mdz | ogra: Kamion is driving the builds | 09:11 |
| mdz | ogra: <Kamion> mdz: I'll do edubuntu daily next, since that's more out of date | 09:11 |
| ogra | mdz, ok... | 09:11 |
| ogra | ah, fine... | 09:12 |
| ogra | i dont expect any regression though | 09:12 |
| mdz | ubuntu dvds are almost ready | 09:14 |
| mdz | ogra: we are not testing for expected regressions, only for unexpected ones :-) | 09:14 |
| ogra | hehe | 09:14 |
| ogra | mdz, if you catch them all in ubuntu and i know all my edubuntu specific issues, whats left ? | 09:15 |
| mdz | ogra: installation and live CD testing | 09:15 |
| Kamion | random weird shit | 09:15 |
| fabbione | ogra: moon rays hitting little while building CD | 09:15 |
| ogra | i just wanted to say no need to put me on high priority with edubuntu :) | 09:15 |
| Kamion | we rather hope nothing will go wrong with any of these builds | 09:16 |
| mdz | edubuntu needs to be tested in order to release on time | 09:16 |
| ogra | yes, but i cant chage contents, so worst case i'll have a new build if its littles fault | 09:16 |
| Kamion | ogra: still needs to happen sooner rather than later | 09:16 |
| ogra | mdz, sure thats what i'm doing over here... beside fixing merged wikipages | 09:16 |
| apokryphos | a lot of people have been asking if there's an exact time of breezy release so they can organise/arrange events accordingly; is there one? | 09:17 |
| mdz | apokryphos: no, there isn't | 09:17 |
| apokryphos | ok thanks | 09:17 |
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| mdz | apokryphos: we could set one late in the day, but I prefer to release as soon as we're satisfied with it, rather than hold it until a scheduled release time | 09:18 |
| apokryphos | definitely; keep them on their toes 8) | 09:18 |
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| mdz | DVD candidates mirroring now | 09:21 |
| mdz | Kamion: little is all yours | 09:21 |
| Kamion | ok, let me queue up a batch of stuff | 09:22 |
| Kamion | cdimage@little:~$ for-project edubuntu cron.daily; for-project kubuntu cron.daily-live; for-project ubuntu-server cron.daily; for-project kubuntu cron.dvd; for-project edubuntu cron.dvd | 09:23 |
| Kamion | that should keep her busy for a while | 09:23 |
| Kamion | after that it's just non-release stuff like ports and livecd-base left from the crontab | 09:24 |
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| mdz | ubuntu DVDs are up; get 'em while they're hot | 09:34 |
| mdz | latest candidate 20051012 | 09:34 |
| Lathiat | i would if it wouldnt eat half my months quota :\ | 09:35 |
| LaserJock | elmo, I would like to request a sync of dvi2ps and wterm from Debian (allowed by \sh) | 09:35 |
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| \sh | lamont__ / infinity: could you take a look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/c/clisp/1:2.35-2/clisp_1:2.35-2_20051012-2010-i386-failed.gz and tell me, why this is not happening in my pbuilder? | 09:38 |
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| \sh | this message "Add -falign-functions=4 to CFLAGS in the Makefile." I never saw in my pbuilder...:( | 09:39 |
| mvo | doko: amd64 is fine, OO.o help works too now, good work! | 09:39 |
| mvo | dholbach: please add me to amd64-live (I see you have the lock) | 09:41 |
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| dholbach | Kamion: memtest works nicely :) | 09:44 |
| seb128 | mvo: first line i386 for me | 09:45 |
| seb128 | ups | 09:45 |
| seb128 | dholbach: | 09:45 |
| dholbach | i didnt have the lock any more | 09:45 |
| dholbach | but i can type for all of you guys, no problem :) | 09:45 |
| smurf | the DVD .torrent for ppc isn't registered correctly with its tracker, and apparently nobody is seeding the bittorrent files yet ? | 09:45 |
| dholbach | smurf: i guess it will be done for the announce, right? | 09:46 |
| mvo | dholbach: thanks, amd64-live pass for me then :) | 09:46 |
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| fabamd64live | yadadada | 09:47 |
| fabamd64live | can somebody update the wiki please? | 09:47 |
| dholbach | mvirkkil: dude, i added that already | 09:47 |
| fabamd64live | i need to do winfoss test on amd64 | 09:47 |
| dholbach | hahaha :) | 09:47 |
| fabamd64live | amd64/live/go | 09:47 |
| smurf | dholbach: it might make sense to seed them before the announcement, but then I can easily pull the files directly, and do it myself ;-) | 09:47 |
| fabamd64live | dholbach: are you going to add it to the wiki please? | 09:48 |
| dholbach | yes | 09:48 |
| fabamd64live | thanks | 09:48 |
| fabamd64live | dholbach, add also the hostname ;) | 09:49 |
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| dholbach | no :) | 09:49 |
| fabamd64live | ahah | 09:49 |
| fabamd64live | later | 09:49 |
| Kamion | smurf: need to ping an admin (elmo/Znarl) about that; last I checked it wasn't done automatically | 09:51 |
| Kamion | we'll do it once everything's built | 09:51 |
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| elmo | Kamion: torrent should just work when you trigger it | 09:52 |
| elmo | that's the theory anyway, but the torrent software is complete crack | 09:52 |
| Kamion | oh, a while back you said it was disabled? | 09:53 |
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| fabbione | hmmm | 09:53 |
| smurf | elmo: seems to be working -- the ppc DVD torrent now registered OK | 09:53 |
| elmo | Kamion: nah, re-enabled now | 09:53 |
| Kamion | hmm, Colony 5 doesn't need to be torrented any more! | 09:53 |
| elmo | Kamion: znarl spent a couple of days beating it into shape | 09:54 |
| Kamion | ah, cool, thanks | 09:54 |
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| fabbione | dholbach: winfoss amd64 is go | 09:54 |
| Kamion | god, torrent.u.c is just enormously huge | 09:54 |
| Kamion | plz write smaller software kthxbye | 09:54 |
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| Kamion | we might want to consider stopping torrenting the daily builds | 09:55 |
| Kamion | I doubt they get very much seeding | 09:55 |
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| Kamion | can we get statistics on that? | 09:55 |
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| ajmitch | morning all | 09:56 |
| dholbach | hey andrew | 09:56 |
| ajmitch | how's progress on going? scrollback is lookcing promising :) | 09:57 |
| Kamion | the bi-weekly DVDs make marginally more sense to torrent | 09:57 |
| bddebian | elmo: Thanks for the syncs! Did atlas-cpp come through as NEW? | 09:57 |
| bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 09:57 |
| dholbach | wow... french keyboards are really crackful, i'll never install a french server again :-p | 10:00 |
| bddebian | heh | 10:00 |
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| elvirolo | hey what's wrong with French keyboards :-D ? ! | 10:04 |
| dholbach | elvirolo: the keys are all mixed up :) | 10:04 |
| elvirolo | dholbach: ah... well ... yeah :-D | 10:05 |
| dredg | hah. german keyboards are just plain weird to use | 10:05 |
| dredg | really and truly bizarre things | 10:05 |
| dholbach | not really | 10:05 |
| ogra | nah... | 10:05 |
| ogra | if all the world would use them, we'd never have keymap problems again :) | 10:06 |
| ogra | and you could type , thats a big advamtage :p | 10:06 |
| dredg | using your logic, we should all be using my new and improved alphabet :) | 10:06 |
| ogra | s/m/n | 10:06 |
| dholbach | dredg: do you type from right to left? | 10:06 |
| ogra | dredg, publish it, we might condsider *g* | 10:06 |
| dredg | dholbach: no. there's not much difference between an irish keyboard and a uk one | 10:07 |
| dredg | i think the euro symbol is the sum total of the differences | 10:07 |
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| ajmitch | heh | 10:07 |
| dredg | only if you spill things on it and forget to clean it :) | 10:08 |
| ogra | bah, i shouldnt chat with such a lack of sleep | 10:08 |
| ogra | lol | 10:08 |
| ogra | dredg, that can get very hairy... | 10:08 |
| dredg | speaking of irish, i must prod my girlfriend to do some translation | 10:09 |
| dredg | ogra: indeed :) | 10:09 |
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| StR | Hi all | 10:15 |
| StR | How can I have php4 and php5 working on the same instalation? | 10:15 |
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| \sh | I need at least one of the two buildd pros ;) | 10:20 |
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| carstenh | StR: you will not get a answer here, try #ubuntu | 10:22 |
| carstenh | #ubuntu-devel is for develoment only | 10:22 |
| RobinhoPeixoto | when will be generated the new version of language-pack? | 10:23 |
| ogra | after release | 10:23 |
| fabbione | hno_away: ping? | 10:23 |
| \sh | elmo: please sync busybox , dbishell , lde from debian unstable, thx | 10:23 |
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| StR | carstenh: well.. yes, but beacuse it is a feature that comes in breezy (the php5 thing) I thought I would find the answer here | 10:27 |
| carstenh | StR: see topic, so support, even with breezy | 10:27 |
| Keybuk | no support | 10:27 |
| Keybuk | :) | 10:27 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: sorry.. are we there yet? | 10:28 |
| fabbione | ;) | 10:28 |
| Keybuk | fabbione: with? | 10:28 |
| fabbione | the release.. | 10:28 |
| fabbione | :P | 10:28 |
| Keybuk | how would I know? I'm just a monkey | 10:28 |
| Keybuk | ook | 10:28 |
| RobinhoPeixoto | ogra: Already it has some day certain to leave the new version language-pack? | 10:28 |
| fabbione | ahha | 10:28 |
| fabbione | RobinhoPeixoto: no there is no ETA yet | 10:29 |
| fabbione | RobinhoPeixoto: we still need to release and we are overloaded doing testing right now | 10:29 |
| fabbione | it's really not a good time | 10:29 |
| dholbach | you all should do some test installs :) | 10:30 |
| RobinhoPeixoto | Can I generate this package? How? | 10:30 |
| dholbach | of the CD | 10:31 |
| dholbach | s | 10:31 |
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| Keybuk | how to make Yelp crash | 10:42 |
| RobinhoPeixoto | fabbione: I am testing the Ubuntu | 10:42 |
| dredg | Keybuk: erm... type while it's doing something? | 10:42 |
| dredg | move your mouse? | 10:42 |
| dredg | look away? look at it? | 10:42 |
| Keybuk | Load it. Click "Ubuntu 5.10 Starter Guide". Click "Desktop" in the main window. Click "Panel Applets". | 10:42 |
| fabbione | dredg: why so sofisticate? just open it | 10:42 |
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| srbaker | hey | 10:43 |
| srbaker | i'm insttalling ubuntu on a Tecra M2. should i post my experience somewhere? | 10:43 |
| srbaker | is there a place to post that it didn't fuck up or catch fire? | 10:44 |
| xhaker | you're free to post it on the wiki.ubuntu.com | 10:44 |
| srbaker | okay, i may do that. | 10:44 |
| fabbione | srbaker: or post the bugs to bugzilla and send a report to the mailing list | 10:44 |
| fabbione | it's more useful | 10:44 |
| xhaker | infact, it's good practice that you do that.. and if anything really bad happens fill some bugzilla bugs | 10:44 |
| xhaker | fabbione, beat me by 5 seconds | 10:45 |
| xhaker | lol | 10:45 |
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| RobinhoPeixoto | I qill test | 10:45 |
| RobinhoPeixoto | I will test | 10:45 |
| xhaker | RobinhoPeixoto, brasil? | 10:46 |
| RobinhoPeixoto | xhaker: yes | 10:46 |
| xhaker | portugal here | 10:46 |
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| juliux | is it known that it is not possible to print landscape from gnome programs e.g. gtklp, abiword, evince | 10:50 |
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| doko | juliux: where did you get libnspr4 version 2:1.7.12-0ubuntu05.04 from? | 10:55 |
| seb128 | jdub, robitaille: do you have the url for the ics file? | 10:56 |
| Nafallo | seb128: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/ical that one? | 10:56 |
| seb128 | yeah | 10:56 |
| juliux | doko, it was on my system since i have installed hoary | 10:56 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: I want to URL to the file, not a redirection | 10:57 |
| Keybuk | random thought about server installs ... does it really make sense to create a new user? we could replace that with a "enter the root password" kind of affair | 10:57 |
| Nafallo | ah | 10:57 |
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| juliux | doko, and under breezy it is a newer version | 10:57 |
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| juliux | doko, i searched the mirror manual but i do not found any libnspr4 package | 10:58 |
| doko | pitti: ^^^ looks like you messup version numbers in hoary security fixes? | 10:59 |
| juliux | doko, and apt-get --reinstall install linspr4 also not works | 10:59 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: you should just click on the .ics and get the webcal stuff asking if you want to put that to your calendar, atm it opens the download dialog | 10:59 |
| Nafallo | seb128: I just pasted the url to evo :-) | 10:59 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: yeah, but just clicking on it would be nice :) | 11:00 |
| Nafallo | baah :-P | 11:00 |
| seb128 | I want to get the website changed | 11:00 |
| mvo | ping doko | 11:01 |
| doko | mdz, Kamion: uploads to breezy/universe still possible? the mozilla version in hoary-security is newer than in breezy | 11:01 |
| doko | mvo: pong | 11:01 |
| mvo | doko: see /msg | 11:03 |
| ogra | doko, universe is still open | 11:04 |
| doko | ogra: thanks | 11:04 |
| mdz | doko: universe uploads are still possible, but mozilla is in main | 11:06 |
| doko | mdz: so breezy-updates ... | 11:07 |
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| doko | juliux: download the packages by hand: "aptitude download mozilla-browser libnspr", then install them with sudo dpkg -i ... | 11:08 |
| doko | pitti: ! | 11:09 |
| doko | $ dpkg --compare-versions 1.7.12-0ubuntu2 gt 1.7.12-0ubuntu05.04; echo $? | 11:09 |
| doko | 1 | 11:09 |
| pitti | Hi | 11:09 |
| juliux | doko, thxs | 11:10 |
| pitti | doko: so what? that version compare looks just fine? | 11:12 |
| pitti | doko: oh, wait, it doesn't... | 11:12 |
| pitti | doko: ubuntu0.5.04 would be better... | 11:13 |
| pitti | but that looks like a bug in the version comparison? ubuntu2 should be newer than ubuntu0... | 11:13 |
| juliux | doko, thanks for your help | 11:15 |
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| doko | pitti: no, it never was. | 11:15 |
| wasabi_ | guess the unichrome drivers never made it in | 11:15 |
| wasabi_ | did they? | 11:15 |
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| robitaille | seb128, it seems the ical redirect change every day...right now it points at http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/2005/10/12/ical/all/all/ | 11:16 |
| pitti | doko: bah; is this weird way documented somewhere? | 11:16 |
| pitti | doko: nm, I'll ask keybuk | 11:16 |
| Orborde | Is Breezy on bugzilla.ubuntu.com, I suppose? | 11:16 |
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| robitaille | seb128, but jdub must know more about the behind the scene stuff.... I'm only an user :) | 11:17 |
| doko | pitti: don't know, but I checked on a warty and woody system | 11:17 |
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| seb128 | robitaille: k, I've noticed the redirection but that's still not a direct .ics to click on | 11:17 |
| doko | pitti: #17579 | 11:17 |
| Keybuk | pitti: 'sup? | 11:18 |
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| dieman | anyone here on i2 or a reasonably fast network? want to see if this gigE card helped :) | 11:18 |
| Riddell | mdz, Kamion: all 6 kubuntu CDs are good | 11:19 |
| doko | mdz: should we add this upgrade glitch to the release notes? | 11:20 |
| pitti | Keybuk: why is -ubuntu05.4 newer than -ubuntu2? | 11:20 |
| Keybuk | because 5 > 2 ? | 11:21 |
| pitti | Keybuk: because 0 < 2? | 11:21 |
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| Keybuk | at least, it is in my universe <g> | 11:21 |
| Keybuk | 05 is still numerically 5 | 11:21 |
| Keybuk | sticking a 0 in front doesn't make it bigger | 11:21 |
| Keybuk | 000000000005 is still greater than 2 | 11:21 |
| doko | Keybuk and pitti live in parallel universes ;-P | 11:21 |
| pitti | not stringwise, though | 11:22 |
| pitti | bah | 11:22 |
| ozamosi | pitti: remember that 0.10 is greater then 0.9, and then you see why | 11:22 |
| Keybuk | dpkg doesn't compare versions stringwise | 11:22 |
| doko | Keybuk: it should be octal | 11:22 |
| Keybuk | otherwise we'd just use strcmp | 11:22 |
| Keybuk | doko: go stand in the corner | 11:22 |
| pitti | ozamosi: that's different; 0.010 is smaller than 0.9 | 11:22 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: what version of Ubuntu do you use? The FAQ has no item "Desktop" here on a fresh install ... | 11:22 |
| Keybuk | pitti: not in dpkg-land | 11:22 |
| mdz | doko: what changes are in breezy relative to hoary-security? | 11:22 |
| HrdwrBob | ozamosi: greather than (sorry, pet hate) | 11:23 |
| Keybuk | seb128: hmm? | 11:23 |
| Keybuk | which FAQ? | 11:23 |
| pitti | you mean 0.01 is bigger than 0.9? weird | 11:23 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: your crasher | 11:23 |
| Keybuk | seb128: that was me testing yelp | 11:23 |
| Keybuk | so 20051012.2 | 11:23 |
| pitti | mdz: mainly building against new libraries | 11:23 |
| seb128 | yeah, but and now that's me trying to click on the same items to get the crash | 11:23 |
| Keybuk | it was because I clicked Desktop while it was still loading the FAQ I think | 11:23 |
| seb128 | and I've no "Desktop" | 11:23 |
| pitti | mdz: we could upload a newer version to breezy-updates if necessary | 11:23 |
| mdz | we could potentially allow an update to breezy as well | 11:24 |
| Keybuk | pitti: yeah, has always been thus | 11:24 |
| mdz | can someone check if the binaries are on any CDs? | 11:24 |
| fabbione | what pkg is that? | 11:24 |
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| doko | mdz: libnspr4 definitely is on all cd's ... | 11:24 |
| Keybuk | seb128: if I load Yelp, the first thing is "Desktop" under "Help Topics" | 11:24 |
| Keybuk | that's what I clicked | 11:25 |
| Keybuk | after clicking the FAQ thing | 11:25 |
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| mdz | doko: that is unfortunate | 11:25 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: ok, thanks | 11:25 |
| mdz | elmo: can we add a katie check for this? | 11:25 |
| mdz | elmo: (hoary-security > breezy) | 11:26 |
| doko | mdz: so we learn for the testing plan :-) test-upgrades from released hoary and security-updated hoary | 11:26 |
| Keybuk | s/katie/soyuz/ no? | 11:26 |
| pitti | doko: with all installed packages, that is - mozilla is not installed by default | 11:26 |
| seb128 | pitti: libnspr4 is | 11:27 |
| mdz | pitti: please prepare an upload for breezy-updates | 11:27 |
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| mdz | I'm still waiting for DVDs to rsync; has anyone been able to test them yet? | 11:28 |
| doko | mdz: already did | 11:28 |
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| Riddell | I'll need a volunteer to test the amd64 dvd in an hour or so | 11:29 |
| Riddell | kubuntu one | 11:29 |
| mdz | doko: oh, please update BreezyTestPlan then | 11:29 |
| mdz | we seem to be lacking powerpc testing too | 11:29 |
| Unfrgiven | mdz: i tried grabbing the latest daily off the torrent last night (as per the test plan) but its stopped at 77% :( | 11:29 |
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| Keybuk | mdz: everyone's powerpc is broken | 11:29 |
| mdz | mine isn't broken, it's just sick | 11:30 |
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| Riddell | I have a powerpc if something needs testing | 11:30 |
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| mdz | Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyTestPlan | 11:32 |
| pitti | mdz: mozilla_1.7.12-1ubuntu1_source.changes for breezy-updates prepared | 11:33 |
| pitti | mdz: shall I upload now? | 11:33 |
| mdz | pitti: check with elmo first | 11:33 |
| pitti | ok | 11:33 |
| pitti | elmo: ok to upload a mozilla with newer version to breezy-updates? | 11:34 |
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| jbailey | Does /current/ point to 20051012.3? The CD seems to still say 20051012 | 11:35 |
| mdz | jbailey: the CD doesn't include the fractional digit | 11:36 |
| mdz | unfortunate but true | 11:36 |
| jbailey | mdz: What's the best way to confirm that I've got the .3 version? | 11:37 |
| jbailey | ppc64 passed everything but cd eject at the end, but I want to make sure it was on the right version. | 11:37 |
| ajmitch | md5sum? | 11:37 |
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| doko | somebody did ignore the lock on BreezyTestPlan | 11:38 |
| Kamion | jbailey: .disk/info on the CD-ROM | 11:38 |
| Kamion | oh, maybe not | 11:38 |
| Kamion | yeah, md5sum | 11:38 |
| Keybuk | hmm | 11:38 |
| Keybuk | no test sound on OEM install | 11:38 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: known, it's because most of GNOME isn't running | 11:38 |
| Keybuk | heh | 11:38 |
| Kamion | mdz: btw, jdub says that when he gets back from the pub he has an artwork upload to do | 11:39 |
| Kamion | ... | 11:39 |
| mdz | Kamion: very funny | 11:39 |
| pitti | we get dapper artwork so early? :-P | 11:39 |
| ogra | Kamion, oh, he took pictures in the pub ? | 11:40 |
| Kamion | I think he wanted to troll about it earlier today but silbs made him stop | 11:40 |
| mdz | Kamion: tell him to stop by on his way through here next time for a whipping | 11:40 |
| Kamion | :-) | 11:40 |
| Keybuk | send him to Brum, I've got one | 11:40 |
| fabbione | ok | 11:41 |
| fabbione | Kamion: OEM install is still go | 11:41 |
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| Keybuk | does the oem installer not detect the keyboard? | 11:41 |
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| Kamion | Keybuk: no, haven't figured out how to extricate that code from cdebconf yet | 11:42 |
| Keybuk | shame it doesn't auto-fill in the username box either | 11:42 |
| Kamion | ... oh, damn, and it may not tell X about the change either | 11:42 |
| Kamion | whoops | 11:42 |
| Keybuk | interesting different in partman behaviour, btw | 11:42 |
| Kamion | well, there's one for the errata; I'm not banging in a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg at this stage | 11:42 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: que? | 11:42 |
| fabbione | AH AHHHHHH | 11:42 |
| Keybuk | if I do an "automatic" partman, I just get the partitions it made in fstab | 11:43 |
| Keybuk | if I hit manual, I suddenly get every partition on every drive in fstab | 11:43 |
| fabbione | mdz: remember that livecd/casper problem? i can reproduce it on one of my box... | 11:43 |
| mdz | fabbione: no, I don't | 11:43 |
| fabbione | mdz: i just noticed... | 11:43 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: gah, that's a bug | 11:43 |
| fabbione | mdz: the one that you reassigned to me from kiko / minimac | 11:43 |
| Keybuk | I have a /media/hda1, /media/hda3, /media/hdc1, et. al. now | 11:43 |
| fabbione | let me find the number | 11:43 |
| mdz | fabbione: screaming during release prep is prohibited except for showstoppers | 11:43 |
| fabbione | mdz: xresprobe not detecting the resolution | 11:43 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: that's really sucky, but too late to fix | 11:43 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: yeah, it's not critical or anything | 11:44 |
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| Keybuk | would be nice to fix for next time | 11:44 |
| mdz | fabbione: my poor nerves :-) | 11:44 |
| Kamion | definitely; I don't know where the problem would be offhand | 11:44 |
| mdz | fabbione: are you able to strace it etc.? | 11:44 |
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| fabbione | mdz: i will try | 11:44 |
| mdz | Kamion: the DVD has a different winfoss tarball, right? | 11:45 |
| Kamion | mdz: no, I don't think anyone ever asked for one | 11:45 |
| Kamion | no IMAGE_TYPE casing in find-live-filesystem at all | 11:45 |
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| mdz | Kamion: oh, ok. one less test case | 11:46 |
| wasabi_ | so like, any idea how to tar some files up perserving perms and untar them preserving them, when /etc/passwd with the original uids doesn't exist? | 11:46 |
| Kamion | it probably *should* have | 11:46 |
| mdz | fabbione: are you able to test the amd64 winfoss at all? | 11:46 |
| fabbione | mdz: i already added it to the wiki | 11:46 |
| fabbione | i did it | 11:46 |
| mdz | Kamion: yeah, surely hno73 has a larger tarball | 11:46 |
| doko | well, what's up with you, second time the lock on BreezyTestPlan is ignored ... | 11:46 |
| mdz | fabbione: oh, just saw it. thanks. | 11:46 |
| fabbione | mdz: no problem :) | 11:47 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: also, I'm not sure, but I don't think I got an ntfs partition in fstab for automatic | 11:47 |
| Lathiat | wasabi_: if tar wont do it | 11:47 |
| Lathiat | wasabi_: one of the other tools might | 11:47 |
| Lathiat | cpio or whatever | 11:47 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: I thought I fixed that a couple of days ago | 11:47 |
| Keybuk | dunno, will do a reinstall to test that one specifically | 11:47 |
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| Kamion | Keybuk: but if there's a generic problem with stuff not getting automounted by partman-auto, it would apply to ntfs the same as everything else | 11:47 |
| Keybuk | it's on a different drive, don't know if that makes a difference | 11:47 |
| fabbione | mdz: i noticed only one small detail about the winfoss implementation. The browser windows that gets autoplayed is like 50 lines too short.. | 11:47 |
| fabbione | mdz: the rest is perfect | 11:47 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: if it's in manual partitioning, that's more annoying, because it worked for me | 11:48 |
| fabbione | it tends to cut away the bottom | 11:48 |
| Keybuk | it's in manual partitioning yeah | 11:48 |
| Keybuk | that definitely worked | 11:48 |
| ivoks | so, when do we open champain? :) | 11:48 |
| fabbione | but i definetely don't consider it a show stopper :) | 11:48 |
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| Keybuk | Kamion: live cd doesn't seed fstab either, but that may be a feature ? | 11:53 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: missing feature deferred at preview time, didn't get implemented in time | 11:54 |
| Bicchi | Sorry to ask but at what time is the release of ubuntu? | 11:54 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir's got the code for dapper, I think | 11:54 |
| Riddell | Bicchi: sometime in the next 24 hours | 11:54 |
| xhaker | 00:00 i think | 11:54 |
| mdz | I am getting terrible throughput from cdimage | 11:55 |
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| Kamion | xhaker: on any particular basis? :-) (wrong) | 11:55 |
| mdz | via rsync anyway | 11:55 |
| mdz | wonder if http is better | 11:55 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: yeah, didn't make FF. | 11:55 |
| pitti | mdz, elmo: btw, the prepared upload is on chinstrap:~pitti/mozilla_1.7.12-1ubuntu1_source.changes, so it it is ok, just dput it | 11:55 |
| xhaker | Kamion. atleast is what it says in the Fridge.. haha | 11:55 |
| pitti | s/so it/so if/ | 11:55 |
| Kamion | xhaker: was just set arbitrarily I think | 11:56 |
| Bicchi | xhaker: yeah but 00:00 where | 11:56 |
| Bicchi | xhaker: UK ? | 11:56 |
| mdz | in fact my bandwidth everywhere seems to suck :-/ | 11:57 |
| mdz | I seem to be capped at 1.5mbit | 11:57 |
| mdz | FURY | 11:57 |
| HrdwrBob | haha | 11:58 |
| HrdwrBob | welcome to australia | 11:58 |
| doko | mdz: are the three proposed upgrade tests too much= | 11:58 |
| doko | ? | 11:58 |
| xhaker | Bicchi i just assume everything is UTC in dev sites | 11:58 |
| fabbione | mdz: it's slow from here too | 11:59 |
| mdz | doko: should be ok, except s/hoary/breezy/, too late for more hoary CD upgrade testing ;-) | 11:59 |
| mdz | fabbione: that may be, but I definitely have a local problem | 12:00 |
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| Kamion | Bicchi: don't worry about the timezone, since the given time isn't correct anyway; it will be released at some point during 2005-10-13, but no time has been set | 12:01 |
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