[12:02] yup [12:02] http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3001 [12:02] why? strings got dumped? [12:02] HiddenWolf: 21 updated, 0 new -> needs extra 61,4KB [12:03] strange [12:03] see the paste [12:03] hmm [12:03] this is the final update before the release [12:03] HiddenWolf: a lot of unnecessary images were removed from ubuntu-docs [12:04] Kamion, _images_ [12:04] 26mb of images? [12:04] HiddenWolf: yes. the difference comes to about 30MB [12:04] according to Installed-Size: [12:05] Kamion, *unk* === Mez [n=Mez@mobileweb02.london.02.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:05] was very useful for live CD space freeage [12:06] Kamion, what kind of images are we talking? [12:06] HiddenWolf: lots of .png files that weren't referenced by the documentation (according to jbailey) [12:06] screenshots, by the look of it [12:07] Kamion, oops [12:07] -rw-r--r-- root/root 1311123 2005-08-31 17:00:08 ./usr/share/ubuntu-docs/gnome/images/C/stones.png [12:07] -rw-r--r-- root/root 546775 2005-08-31 17:00:08 ./usr/share/ubuntu-docs/gnome/images/C/ubuntubugzilla.png [12:07] -rw-r--r-- root/root 461365 2005-08-31 17:00:08 ./usr/share/ubuntu-docs/gnome/images/C/evolution-calendar.png [12:07] -rw-r--r-- root/root 768240 2005-08-31 17:00:08 ./usr/share/ubuntu-docs/gnome/images/C/aisleriot.png [12:07] that sort of thing === j^ [n=j@e178031011.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07] Glad to be rid of it _before_ release [12:07] they were in the docteam svn, possibly for web-published docs - dunno exactly [12:08] that's a couple of gigs bandwith saved. :) [12:09] mdz, Kamion be nice, post a abc to -devel-list tellling me how I can rsync an ubuntu-daily to final when it's out, then seed it, please. [12:10] Kamion: ready to approve d-i? === Keybuk [n=scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] mdz: I'll push a cron.daily first to make sure sparc has this kbd-chooser upload [12:12] but otherwise, yes [12:12] will do it in a few minutes [12:13] hppa is out of time for kbd-chooser and can live with the old version; the udeb is the same anyway === kikidonk [n=kikidonk@ip-83-134-7-85.dsl.scarlet.be] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-47-165.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] what is the OEM install mode? [12:22] Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OEMInstaller === kyncani [n=kyncani@lns-bzn-1-82-250-3-85.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] Kamion: there is some serious crack in ubuntu-docs [12:33] it is going to need attention post-release [12:34] Kamion, mdz, i suppose a edubuntu-meta upload for the python-opengl chane is ok ? [12:34] *change [12:34] one of the "frequently asked questions" about installing packages is "How to backup/restore downloaded repositories cache?" [12:34] lol [12:34] ogra: only if your CD is overflowing [12:34] mdz, its a ripoff from ubuntuguide.org ... [12:35] the section on installing packages talks about apt-get and synaptic but not gnome-app-install [12:35] mdz, mine arent :) edubuntu is fine, i just wanted to syncronize [12:40] ogra: what's this about a 10-minute gimp job as the default edubuntu background? [12:41] mdz, the former background was a placeholder, people seemed to like it [12:42] but there was complaint in #edubuntu that it wasnt coulorful enough, the current one is http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/13 [12:42] There a better way to make a chroot Ubuntu install than debootstrap? Perhaps some post-debootstrap thing to run to do the basic configuration [12:42] /etc/modules, oem-config, etc? [12:43] guess my only idea is to install oem-style into a vmware and copy that to a chroot. =/ [12:43] ogra: is there any *.ubuntu.com map? [12:43] zyga, ?? [12:44] ogra: I've just learned about art.ubuntu.com [12:44] ah [12:44] wasabi: no, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/apcs04.html is the standard approach, involving debootstrap [12:44] zyga, feel free to investigate and make one on the wiki ;) [12:44] wasabi: oem-config has quite a narrow range of uses at present, although they may be expanded in the future [12:44] yeah [12:48] I just want some friendly "please enter your hostname" on boot. [12:49] elmo: please sync putty from Debian (fixes build failure with gcc 4.0) === kierzko [n=kierzko@ip-193-151-114-240.mnc.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kierzko [n=kierzko@ip-193-151-114-240.mnc.pl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === nomed [i=daniele@host245-77.pool8258.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-devel ["/etc/init.d/nomed] === carstenh [n=carstenh@mkfw.fh-trier.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pusakat [i=proxy@203.167.88.65] has joined #ubuntu-devel === daniels [n=daniels@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:02] elmo: thanks [01:06] Kamion: kubuntu live CDs still in progress? [01:07] Riddell: yes === grover [n=grover@216-99-218-29.dsl.aracnet.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aeddan [n=aeddan@203.39.89.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22] Kamion: quite a difference in dsize there. do you think we'll revert to the i386 winfoss or should I adjust for this new size? === aeddan [n=aeddan@203.39.89.243] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [01:25] Riddell: er, you intend this kdebase for 5.10? [01:26] mdz: please could you answer to the zope/plone sync email from Monday? [01:26] doko: at first glance it was a whole bunch of new upstream versions that I could not hope to review, and we could not hope to QA, in 24 hours [01:26] mdz: yes please [01:27] Riddell: you realize this means all new livefs builds as well? [01:27] mdz: yeah, but I think we'll get as lot of complaints if it doesn't use anti-aliases fonts [01:27] Riddell: at this point we are only stopping for real showstoppers [01:28] I consider it one [01:28] Riddell: if it's safe and important, it can be considered for breezy-updates after the release [01:28] Riddell: I don't think there's room to switch back; you'd need an extra >10MB [01:28] Riddell: let's just leave it as it is [01:28] Kamion: ok [01:29] Riddell: is it a regression? when did it regress? there isn't even a bug open about it [01:29] Riddell: is this fallout from 3.4.3? [01:29] mdz: these were subminor versions, partly needed for plone-2.1. I can go over them again, but please approve the other ones === goonie [n=goonie@e181018207.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] mdz: yes, it was a typo in converting the patch for 3.4.3 [01:30] doko: you didn't provide justification for any of these === blahrus [n=blahrus@12-223-185-205.client.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:33] I'm sorry to post a user problem, but could someone help me repairing my Grub installation, please? (Error 17) [01:33] mdz: how frozen are we? I still have to adjust the language packs for size on some of the CDs [01:33] Riddell: we are VERY VERY FROZEN [01:34] mdz: you did agree to these on 09/14, if uploaded on 09/15. kobold did send the sync list on 09/16. [01:34] mdz: so we have to leave these CDs oversized? [01:34] Riddell, will you adjust the size up or down ? up affects edubuntu [01:34] ah, ok === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:mdz] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with breezy) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | MOM/NDA producing bad diffs | Yes, it is too late to fix that for 5.10. Please test the current builds: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyTestPlan [01:34] ogra: how would it affect eubuntu? [01:35] doko: if I approved them for 09/15, they needed to go in on 09/15 [01:35] Riddell, if you size it up, my CDs get bigger [01:35] that was a month ago [01:35] it's now the day before release [01:35] ogra: why? it's only the kubuntu seeds [01:36] Riddell, you said you'd change the language packs, you didnt talk about seeds :) [01:36] language packs in the seeds [01:36] yes, got that now :) === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@67.15.185.40] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] doko: if it's safe enough that you feel it could be uploaded the day before release, you can propose it for breezy-updates after release [01:39] that is the level of freeze we are in right now [01:39] Riddell: which of your CDs are oversized? [01:40] mdz: only the install CDs; quick ship changes would probably do the trick [01:40] oh, no, powerpc/live too [01:40] mdz: ok, will do [01:40] mdz: powerpc live and amd64 install [01:41] Riddell: amd64 install is easy to fix without archive changes [01:41] Kamion: what needs done? [01:41] Kamion: did you work the same powerpc initrd magic for kubuntu that you did for ubuntu? [01:41] remove 'amd64' from language packs for less-popular languages in ship [01:41] (in the seed) [01:42] that was my plan [01:42] mdz: yes, that change was global [01:42] Kamion: or perhaps the cloop needs to be reset? [01:42] mdz: powerpc doesn't need that - partimage works fine there [01:42] oh, amd64/install and powerpc/live, not the other way around ;-) [01:42] yes [01:42] kubuntu/amd64/live has been reset [01:43] and is still oversized? ick [01:43] can we trim winfoss? [01:43] no, amd64/live is not oversized [01:43] only amd64/install [01:43] that one is easily dealt with by trimming language packs [01:44] why is powerpc/live larger than amd64/live? [01:44] isn't it the reverse for ubuntu? [01:44] language packs again [01:44] argh [01:44] fixing that will require an archive change [01:44] sorry I didn't notice that earlier; I was busy fixing lots of other images ;-) [01:45] it's Riddell's responsibility to monitor the kubuntu images [01:45] and ogra's to monitor edubuntu [01:46] an oversized kubuntu/powerpc is not necessarily a showstopper [01:46] indeed [01:46] I don't think anyone plans to press aluminum ones === bigcx2 [n=bigcx2@157.182.197.6] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:48] let's go ahead with it unless we find something worse [01:50] this new ubuntu breezy-live-amd64 is going to take ages to download [01:50] I'm getting <200k/sec from cdimage [01:50] should I adjust ship for the oversized amd64 CD? [01:50] Riddell: yes [01:51] subtract Size: fields of .debs from the image size, starting from the bottom of the list, until you get to a bit less than 650MB (safety margin) [01:52] then remove all of those from amd64 [01:52] ok === tritium [n=michael@pcp0011975002pcs.sandia01.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@DSL01.83.171.164.220.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wickedpuppy [n=wickedpu@cm25.epsilon165.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:00] i'm off to bed, see you in a couple of hours [02:00] good night dho [02:00] good night dholbach === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:01] do I want to process this d-i? [02:02] Kamion/mdz: ^-- === guilhermee [n=guilherm@200.217.142.73] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:02] elmo: I thought Kamion had done it already...if not, maybe he has a reason for waiting [02:03] Kamion: so this current CD build is not final anyway, then? === Kamion release-notes #14485 [02:03] elmo: yes, please do [02:03] sorry, forgot to handle it [02:03] mdz: the CD build that's happening right now is a cronned Edubuntu build [02:03] Kamion: I mean the ubuntu build which is currently on cdimage [02:03] correct [02:04] the one I'm downloading now, with the non-rsyncable amd64 livefs [02:04] we won't be seriously breaking rsyncability from now to release [02:05] the current image (20051011.1) is not the final one? no sense in testing it now? [02:05] it is certainly worth testing === sabdfl [n=mark@pdpc/supporter/silver/sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:05] done [02:06] mvo: don't bother testing OEM installations with that image, because a fair bit has changed there, but other than that there are few changes left [02:06] elmo: thanks [02:06] Kamion: done [02:06] I'm doing a expert install, it asks me for a root pw. is that intended (I guess so)? [02:07] mvo: yes, and it's always been that way [02:07] ok [02:07] elmo: I wouldn't object if you were to nuke breezy's daily-installer-*, either [02:08] there will be no more daily d-i builds there === Seveaz [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] ok\ [02:08] what about the last two d-i uploads? still want them? [02:09] and we may as well free that gigabyte of archive space [02:09] elmo: 17 can go, leave 18 for now [02:12] mdz: FYI, all cdimage cron jobs disabled from now to breezy release [02:13] I'll set off a sequence of builds after the currently-running build completes, and then go to bed === karthik085 [n=karthik0@12-208-63-45.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-084-059-074-050.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:19] I tested today's image and it passed all desktop tests [02:19] Kamion: ok, I'll get those down and see how they look [02:19] karthik085: thank you [02:20] Where should [02:20] I indicate the status? [02:20] karthik085: I'll take care of it, thanks [02:20] Ok. Thanks. later [02:21] elmo: can you chase up the language-pack OODs in http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/breezy_outdate.txt? [02:22] elmo: [urgent for CD builds] [02:23] infinity: alternatively, if you're around ... [02:24] probably not; he's been gone <7 hours I think [02:24] en-mass given back [02:24] the first one I looked at had, silly buildd vs. archive race crap, so I'm asuming that's the problem for all of them [02:24] elmo: thanks [02:24] elmo: yeah, that happened in the last l-p-* batch too === stu1 [n=stub@203-214-4-72.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:26] Kamion: does 20051011.1 contains the latest german langpack? or will it be part of the next build? [02:27] mvo: the .list files should tell you [02:27] breezy-install-i386.list:/pool/main/l/language-pack-de/language-pack-de_20050930_all.deb [02:27] looks like not [02:29] Kamion: ok, next build I guess? otherwise the expert install worked fine (just completed the desktop tests [02:29] mvo: next build, yes [02:29] mvo: thanks, that's good to know [02:30] Kamion: should I add this result to the BreezyTestPlan wiki yet? or will we start with that tomorrow? [02:31] I think we should probably start with that once we really have candidate images [02:31] I think most, if not all, will make this cron.daily [02:31] Kamion: ^-- l-p [02:31] elmo: all, by the looks of it [02:31] thanks for that [02:36] yeah, edubuntu isos look good :) === mvo goes to bed now and continues testing in ~6-7h === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-67-187-93-220.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:43] cdimage@little:~$ for-project ubuntu cron.daily; for-project ubuntu cron.daily-live; for-project kubuntu cron.daily; for-project kubuntu cron.daily-live; for-project edubuntu cron.daily; for-project ubuntu-server cron.daily [02:43] Kamion: thanks [02:44] mdz: all primary image builds queued up; I'm off to bed, feel free to kill those cdimage processes and restart if they run amok for some reason [02:44] Kamion: I'll test those and kick off dvd builds after [02:45] perfect === jlj [n=agp@cm-80.111.97.105.chello.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:46] mdz: btw, you have an ancient tail -f process running on little === Kamion & [02:48] great. at some point my rear surround volume disappeared from g-v-c [02:49] oh cool something to add it. ;) [02:52] (Kamion: did they fix your router then?) [02:53] haha and on 2.6.12-9 my monitor turns itself off randomlly with the ATI driver. [02:53] breezy is going to be fun. ;) [02:55] wasabi, do you have gnome-screensaver installed from an old upgrade we switched to it for some days... the symptom sounds familiar [02:55] hmm might [02:56] yes, do. [02:56] oh cool this power management stuff i just noticed is niec [02:56] nice [02:56] remove it ... or if you want to keep it, adjust the dpms setting in configuration editor... [02:56] Just going to remove it. It never worked with my pam setup anyways. [02:57] Every time it came up I had to switch to VT1 and kill it... but I kept being too lazy to remove it. [02:57] the first upstrem version had a dpms setting to switch the monitor off after 10 mins... :) [02:57] Well, it turns off WHile I'm Using It. [02:57] But comes back in about 4 seconds. [02:57] yup, it was buggy [02:57] Oh heh [02:58] should be solved in recent versions... [02:58] good to know that was the problem though === slomo_ [n=slomo@p5487F7F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:05] mdz, the xscreensaver fix was already in the archive before d-i doesnt that mean it gets on the current CD ? === tseng [n=tseng@brandonhale.us] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OddAbe19 [n=OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:14] ogra: version number? === guilhermee [n=guilherm@200.217.142.73] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:14] ubuntu17 [03:14] xscreensaver 4.21-4ubuntu17 [03:15] ogra: ARGH [03:16] it is in the archive but not on the current livefs [03:16] so we are out of sync again [03:16] I thought Kamion was doing a new livefs build [03:16] oh, the livefs wont be rebuild... damn.. [03:16] does it nee d-i ? [03:16] *need [03:16] has nothing to do with d-i [03:16] i thought the new builds were caused by it [03:17] the livefs and d-i are completely independent [03:17] yes [03:17] well now we are forced to rebuild it and we lose a few more hours === dooglus_ [n=dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:18] sorry, i didnt know that... [03:18] not your fault, I wouldn't have approved the upload if I realized there wasn't a livefs build pending [03:19] I should have left it for breezy-updates [03:20] yes... :/ [03:21] could i report a bug here ? or should i send it to bugzilla ?? [03:21] wickedpuppy, bugzilla [03:22] okie [03:22] except it could block the release which must be a really really serious bug === zerokarmaleft [n=zerokarm@ip68-12-45-133.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin_ant [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:41] gn8 folks === ficusplanet [n=brad@12-226-13-108.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_edu_xu [n=ogra@p5089E0A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:53] whats with my computers the System > About Ubuntu errors on all my systems! [03:53] dhonn: update, it's fixed [03:54] Heya elmo [03:56] bddebian: got breezy reinstalled? [03:56] Just finished burning the CD [03:59] is there a possible way to install a package unconfigured? [03:59] with apt. === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:01] wasabi: I guess you're wanting something similar to crosshurd, are you? [04:01] depends what that is. ;) [04:02] sets up a chroot (a partition usually), and I think it leaves the configuring step until first boot [04:02] I haven't used it in a long time though [04:03] Hmmm === ikuyaLoqu [n=ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-110-93.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aigarius [n=aigarius@159.148.239.80] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaschW [n=laschw@dyndsl-085-016-023-148.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:28] Is there a BreezyTestPlan for OEM-Install? === Trashcan [n=matt@ip70-176-253-127.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenwhen [n=zenwhen@localghost.us] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sjoerd [i=sjoerd@fire.ipv6.luon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kyncani [n=kyncani@dispo-82-251-179-77.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@p5089E0A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === otep [n=paltok@AP-203.167.31.158.sysads.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:57] LaschW: I thought I saw Kamion add something to the wiki today [04:58] ah, it's in the release notes [04:58] LaschW: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseNotes [04:58] yes [04:58] mdz, can you review the notes before i ask jbailey to add it to the distro? [04:59] jsgotangco: it's too late [04:59] oh ok..so its frozen [04:59] yeah, I sent a release status update to -devel earlier [04:59] we're in the very final freeze === rafl [n=rafl@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:1757] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:00] is there a link from the existing release notes to the wiki version so we can continue to update it? [05:00] well, we can always continue to update it, but it would be nice to have a quick link there for dapper if we don't already [05:00] we don't have anything in the distro [05:01] for dapper maybe it should just be a link [05:02] since the release notes tend to get edited very close to (and after) the release [05:02] especially errata [05:02] one of the things we use the release notes for is to document issues that are discovered too late to be fixed [05:02] which by definition means it's too late to update the release notes as well ;-) [05:02] yeah but that would mean a user should be online just to read the notes [05:03] there isn't much we can do about that; changing the release notes in .deb form on the CD requires a complete livefs and CD rebuild which takes hours === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:03] and then another test cycle [05:04] if we are to put a version on the CD, it'll only contain what we have ~7 days before release === segfault [i=carlos@prognus.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:04] or at least 2-3 [05:05] ok sounds good then next time we should just use a permalink i guess [05:06] we could include older release notes and have a link "go here for the latest release notes online" [05:07] we had a fairly reasonable start on the release notes as of RC; why didn't those get incorporated into the package? [05:08] well it was my fault really, i didn't fix it up in time along with the omf so it wasn't uploaded along [05:08] I'll add it to the release checklist for next time [05:09] the last upload of jbailey had fixed a lot of the translations or so... [05:16] OK, *.ubuntu.com, launchpad.net, etc. is going down for some emergency network maintenance - ETD is 10 minutes or so === lifeless [n=robertc@dsl-215.16.240.220.rns02-kent-syd.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pusakat [i=proxy@203.167.88.65] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc_ is now known as calc [05:28] hmm releases.ubuntulinux.org appears to be down [05:29] yeap, we know [05:29] ok [05:29] being fixed by elmo === gs [n=gs@133.46.142.168] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GnuKemist [n=omaciel@cpe-69-206-241-40.nj.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bslima [n=bruno@201009231063.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:41] GnuKemist, hi [05:42] sup dude? [05:42] bslima, sup dude? === Gman_ is now known as GmanAFK === bigcx2 [n=bigcx2@157.182.197.6] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bigcx2 [n=bigcx2@157.182.194.21] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:42] still down ? [05:43] bslima, believe so === bigcx2 [n=bigcx2@157.182.194.21] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:43] =/ [05:49] yay [05:49] up [05:51] yay :D [05:51] crack fiends! :P [05:55] why did planet went back a week or so? [05:56] or should i say.. why did Stephen Herman get ontop like that.. [05:58] hmmm [05:58] mdz: Thanks, I'll have a look... === LaschW [n=laschw@dyndsl-085-016-023-148.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [06:18] Ya know, a new type of dependency: Configure-Depends, would be nice. Packages required to configure the package, but not to use it. [06:18] So I can install all this crap, but ditch perl because I have no need for it to USE the crap heh === jaren [n=jaren@69.88.67.222] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:19] wasabi: then when the time came to upgrade the package, you'd need to reinstall all that stuff anyway [06:19] yup [06:19] but neverthe less, it would make building this embedded system easier. === auxesis [n=lindsay@107.24.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:24] morning [06:25] good morning fabbione [06:30] mdz: how do we look? [06:31] hi fabbione [06:34] mdz: just took a look at BreezyTest plan, shouldn't we add something to test printing as well, "if appropriate hardware available" ? [06:37] fabbione: slow [06:37] fabbione: install is up, live is mirroring [06:37] whats this for? [06:37] mdz: ok. i am rsyncing now [06:37] test isos for release? [06:37] yes, a first cut [06:38] ok [06:38] mdz: go and get some rest, we will start the test plan asap. If there is any big issue i will drop a phone call [06:38] sivang: it's meant to be a very fast test. I have to do it 12 times for every test cycle [06:38] mdz: ah I see, understood. [06:38] fabbione: it is not even 2200 yet here [06:39] 20051012.1 is the image to grab? [06:39] I am going to test this set, and if it is good, I will bugger off for a while [06:39] oh.. it's me a bit too early :) [06:39] ajmitch: daily -> 20051012.1, daily-live -> 20051012.2 [06:39] ok === rob_ [n=rob@dsl-202-52-55-156.qld.veridas.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajmitch will finish getting 20051012, rsync, and test [06:44] my flash system boots to gdm + X now. ;) [06:45] usplash is busted for some reason though. hmm === zerokarmaleft [n=zerokarm@ip68-12-45-133.ok.ok.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === idleo [n=david@82-69-92-65.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === idleo [n=david@82-69-92-65.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === lamont [n=lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:07] jdub: ping? === spstarr [n=sh0n@CPEdeadbeef0000-CM000039d4cc6a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:12] erm, did we forget to include libavformat and libavcodec packages in breezy? i only see the -dev ones im trying to port xvidcap 1.1.4-pre2 to ubuntu [07:12] i know they come from ffmpeg [07:14] mdz: did you also rebuild dvds? [07:15] fabbione: not yet, I will once kubuntu and edubuntu have CDs [07:15] mdz: ok [07:15] amd64/live and powerpc/live OK here [07:16] mdz: still resyncing i386.. burning i386 install and rsyncing mirror for netinstall [07:16] it looks like we are missing it :( [07:17] naw, i think they're all in the ffmpeg package [07:17] for some reason [07:17] or somewhere === spstarr installs ffmpeg [07:18] spstarr: they are not shared libs [07:18] should be? [07:18] you get the devel to link static [07:18] no, if the ABI is not stable [07:18] hmm, so i need to build it as part of xvidcap..hmm [07:18] _ugly_ [07:19] that explains the failure in finding the .so [07:19] /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.2/../../../../lib/libavcodec.a(h263.o): In function `ff_mpeg4_encode_video_packet_header': [07:19] : undefined reference to `ff_log2_tab [07:19] then why do we include the -dev is the lib ABI is changing? [07:20] spstarr: -> #ubuntu [07:20] we are in the middle of a release [07:20] there is no time to look at this stuff [07:20] not right now [07:21] hmm, i'll make do with what i have i'd like to get this into next ubuntu [07:21] xvidcap is rather useful [07:21] my powerpc test box is so b0rked [07:21] it has become progressively slower during the time I've had it [07:22] mdz: my powerpc is so not here yet :/ === el_toro [n=jonah@63-226-147-96.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:22] ah, rsync at ~4K/sec is painful [07:22] it's now at a point where the desktop is becoming unusable on the live CD === fabbione complains to apple [07:22] it takes about 3x as long to boot to the point of accessing the CD [07:22] mdz: how old is that? [07:22] perhaps a good cleaning and new CDrom would do [07:23] fabbione: about a year I guess [07:23] a bit before warty [07:23] I can't get breezy to get along with my iMac G5 [07:23] tritium: did you use the 64-bit kernel? [07:23] mdz, yes [07:23] I haven't tried the dailys from the 12th yet [07:25] mdz, has it been successfully tested on a newer iMac, as far as you know? [07:25] mdz: that's weird. The hardware just deteriorates to slowness ? :) [07:25] tritium: what kind of iMac is that? [07:25] fabbione, a recent 20" iMac G5 [07:26] tritium: i know there are some limitations in the kernel with the most recent G5's [07:26] tritium: support is still on the way into the kernel [07:26] fabbione, thanks, that's not too surprising. [07:27] tritium: you will have to wait for dapper kernels [07:27] kernel's even [07:27] not a problem. I'll be glad to try them === CaiN_SA [n=cain@rrba-146-71-178.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zakame@210.213.71.254] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@mail.fbn-dd.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:33] Good morning [07:34] hey pitti === pitti cranks up jigdo and rsync === \sh reads heise, phpmyadmin is vulnerable, and my head is paining, what a wonderful day [07:39] fabbione/pitti: I'm about to kill your rsync sessions I'm afraid [07:39] elmo: meh... [07:39] is it urgent? [07:39] fabbione: yes [07:39] fabbione: no, I'm just doing it out of spite [07:39] ok [07:39] so, once more with feeling [07:39] ok [07:40] elmo: go ahead.. i did stop them [07:40] ah, shit === pitti beats rsync to deathh [07:40] Ctrl-C'ing it removed the original file [07:41] ok, *.ubuntu.com, launchpad.net going down again for emergency network maintenance. ETD is 10 mins. Really this time. [07:41] yes, rsync sucks in this situation === pitti dd's back [07:41] pitti: you were using --partial I assume [07:41] bah great.. one cdrom is dead.. [07:41] --partial loses if you just started on the file, the default loses if you are near the end [07:41] fabbione: drive or disc? [07:41] drive [07:42] mdz: yes, I use -P [07:42] mdz: no bigge.. machine promoted as candidate for net install :) === dloda [n=dan@adsl-69-107-61-130.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity waits for the machines to come back to join the testing fray. [07:44] nice to see the powerpc and amd64 CDs fit well now [07:44] 33 MB free space on i386, what a waste... [07:45] we back, happy? [07:46] Max connections 15 already. Dang, you guys are quick. [07:47] infinity: nah... just kick it again [07:47] Yeah, I did. All good now. [07:47] hey i noticed in suse10 that metacity renders windows proportional to the menu bar. how do i do that in ubuntu [07:48] mdz : Oh, if you're curious, ath-in-di broke due to a udpkg bug, which Mithrandir has now fixed in upstream svn, so we're good to go for getting it into early dapper. [07:48] mdz : Shame we didn't try this a week earlier, other than the one bug, it seems fine. :) [07:49] i386, amd64, powerpc live OK [07:49] infinity: will be finally able to join the ath testing, will be getting my X300 powered T43 soon :) [07:49] amd64 install OK, powerpc,i386 installs in progress [07:50] sivang : You got one with an ath, not an ipw2200? [07:50] sivang : I specifically ordered mine with "intel wireless" (ipw2200) rather than "IBM wireless" (ath) to avoid the hassle. [07:51] <\sh> infinity: what to test? [07:51] \sh : Hrm? [07:52] <\sh> infinity: I just read ath-in-di...just curious if I can test installation via wifi [07:53] mdz: winfoss on i386 looks good [07:53] infinity: ah bah, I didn't get it, that's what the dealer said he can give - I will talk to him shortly then, ath0 support is poor? [07:54] fabbione: oh, good. please add a column for that to the test plan page [07:54] er, rows [07:54] er, row [07:54] I feel a migraine coming on [07:54] mdz: do we have winfoss on DVD too i assume [07:55] fabbione: yes [07:55] <\sh> mdz: send it to me and I'll stay home today :( [07:57] sivang : It's not poor, per se, but it involes a binary-only blob, and can be a bit sketchy at times. [07:58] \sh : No, cause we didn't get it in in time (due to the one aforementioned bug... Updating udpkg on the day of release would be very dumb) [07:58] \sh : Talk to me after the release, and maybe I can build some test images for ath users. [07:59] mdz: i386 liveCD is good [07:59] CDs all good here except powerpc install which is STILL going [08:00] CD drive buggered? [08:00] <\sh> infinity: well..we have to try to overcome the madwifi wpa-psk dhcp bug...cause sitting here now with a ndiswrapper enabled card, all the nice wpa-supplicant stuff and dhcp is working out of the box [08:01] mdz: i386 install is good too [08:01] (CD) [08:01] waiting the mirror to rsync for netinstall [08:02] <\sh> and now it's time to hit the bathroom and to have a look to myself...and I'm really afraid of it :( [08:02] <\sh> later guys [08:03] mdz: do you prefer the reports via email or are you tracking them via IRC? [08:04] fabbione: tracking them in the wiki, see my latest edits to BreezyTestPlan [08:05] mdz: ok === _native_ [n=intuit@cpe-66-87-4-181.ut.sprintbbd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:06] ok, 6/6 in my first test pass [08:07] now I can sleep for a bit [08:08] mdz: i will add your i386 install to the wiki [08:08] good night [08:10] fabbione: my i386 install was custom partitioning [08:10] I didn't have a row for that yet [08:10] oh ok [08:10] you can add one if you want and add my test there [08:11] sure [08:11] but erase disk still needs to be tested [08:11] i did test it === ajmitch digs a laptop out from the clutter for testing [08:12] mdz: to speed it up, would it be sufficient to do "erase disk" and/or "autopartitioning" and stop the installation after checking what it did? [08:13] pitti: you still want to install all of it [08:13] specially in custom mode :) [08:13] if you make a 10MB /var is unlikely to work :) [08:14] fabbione: yes, I thought about erase all, then break, then automatic, then break, then custom and install completely [08:14] ah yeah [08:14] that makes sense [08:14] my god.. all these langpacks are slowing down my mirror to death [08:15] elmo : Are we still letting universe builds trickle in? [08:16] pitti: I suppose so, yes [08:16] mdz: so I assume that #15372 will not be resolved for breezy? [08:16] mdz: I'd just check if the automatically created partitions are big enough [08:17] daniels: that is unfortunately correct [08:17] wa-hey. [08:17] daniels: though if the fix is simple and safe we can consider it for -updates [08:17] should we add that as a known issue? [08:17] well, aside from that, I have no major bugs that aren't in NEEDINFO or UPSTREAM. [08:17] infinity: I hope so [08:17] (which it would have needed to be tobe uploaded the day before release anyway) [08:17] jsgotangco: i have three of them. can I edit this as a wiki page or something? [08:17] daniels, feel free to do so i'll just clean it up later [08:17] daniels: how is your bandwidth these days? mini test plan in /topic [08:18] mdz: it's not simple, but I feel it's safe [08:18] mdz: and yes, I'm working on getting CDs for testing [08:18] jsgotangco: URL? [08:18] daniels, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseNotes [08:18] mdz: half of it's from me, and half from the other guy on the planet who still does stuff with XKB [08:19] daniels: it should be just as worthwhile in -updates; the bug doesn't screw the install [08:19] fair enough [08:19] so we can even take a few days and get confident in it [08:19] infinity: no ones' told me not to [08:19] elmo : Cool, can I get a P-a-s sync, then? === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:20] Riddell: kubuntu install+live CDs are up [08:20] ogra: edubuntu CDs are building [08:20] Dear god, we're only up to "g" on the langpack mirror. === infinity runs to get a drink. [08:21] infinity: done [08:21] I'm going to try to escape this migraine by going to sleep. please cover the test cases in the plan, with a fair variety of languages, while I'm away [08:22] if any showstopper is found, or something which needs a decision as to whether it is a showstopper, call my mobile [08:22] night all [08:22] night mdz === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B2283.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:23] mdz: night [08:23] night mdz [08:23] Hi dho [08:23] Hi dholbach [08:23] good morning [08:23] good night mdz [08:24] hi dholbach === mdke [n=matt@unaffiliated/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:32] morning [08:35] Hi zyga [08:35] hello pitti :) [08:35] first day when I don't have to work all day :) [08:42] elmo: can you please sync xloadimage 4.1-14.3 and xli 1.17.0-18sarge1 (both from sarge-security)? [08:42] elmo: both universe, and both only security updates [08:42] pitti: he went to bed [08:43] ah, I see === CaiN_SA [n=cain@rrba-146-71-178.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:49] mdz/whoever: can I get an irc ping when the pool is updated on se.releases? I need to get copies to the offload hosts too. === zakame [n=zakame@210.213.71.254] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-167-38.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize_ [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D3C76.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zakame@210.213.71.254] has joined #ubuntu-devel === daniels [n=daniels@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:01] argh, why aren't there jigdo images for DVDs? [09:03] Because they take forever and a day to generate. [09:03] Kamion: is it possible to generate jigdo files for the latest dvd to allow us less bandwith equipped folks to test them? By scanning the live CD, install CD, and /var/cache/apt/archives, the required download amounnt would become bearable [09:03] a jigdo dvd would take prolly a day to build [09:03] so what [09:03] it would take me a week to rsync for nothing [09:03] for the final images one day seems worth the effort [09:04] you have a point there [09:04] it takes 8 minutes for a CD, it shouldn't be a whole day for the five-fold amount === Mez [n=Mez@mobileweb02.london.02.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lorenzod [n=lorenzod@80.87.77.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === grover [n=grover@216-99-218-29.dsl.aracnet.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Valandil [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-079-162.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:14] whiprush, relicensing http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiprush/33275644/ under GFDL or CC-by-sa 2.0 for the doc teams' quicktour [09:15] Burgundavia: we just had a brief conversation over cc-by-sa 2.0 - debian-legal doesnt consider it free enough, but i dunno about 2.5 [09:15] Burgundavia, its probably not his image even... [09:15] dholbach, regardless, that is what the doc team stuff is currently under [09:16] jsgotangco, if it isn't, then we start again [09:16] dholbach, as for not being dfsg-free, it is an issue, but not a current huge one (we can't do anything this late anyway) [09:17] it was merely a heads-up [09:17] chill [09:17] dholbach, When we decided back in Mataro it came up. We realized we were totally squeezed and it sucks === rumo [n=rumo@p5487CBB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:24] pitti: thanks for the new language packs, with the expection of serpentine (the translation of which was in the "main" rosetta template until yesterday noon when I uploaded it also to the breezy's serpentine-template), everything seems now translated === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-28-77.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:26] morning seb128 === zakame [n=zakame@unaffiliated/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=mark@pdpc/supporter/silver/sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:28] Mirv: nice [09:28] hey dholbach [09:28] Mirv: the missing bits will come in the first round of updates [09:28] pitti: do you sync that .tar.gz from carlos manually? today's archive is identical to yesterdays [09:28] Hi sabdfl [09:28] Hi seb128 [09:29] sabdfl: morning mark [09:29] zyga: yes, rosetta did not export a tarball today, and we don't currently need it [09:29] ah, okay [09:29] hi pitti sabdfl [09:30] ogra: ping [09:30] moin moin all [09:31] morning sabdfl [09:31] hi sabdfl [09:32] Kamion: can we delay edubuntu without affecting everything else? [09:32] hi sabdfl [09:32] hi zakame === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D3C76.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:33] can someone else than elmo remove obsolete binary packages from the archive? [09:34] morning siretart [09:34] hi dholbach! [09:36] siretart : Others have the power to, but generally defer to elmo for removals, as they prefer not to break anything. :) [09:39] infinity: I've sent him an email. The particular issue is the binary package 'mplayer-amd64', which is no longer built from source 'mplayer', confusing users [09:40] so mplayer should really be removed. perhaps there are more cases, but can't check that.. [09:40] argl [09:40] so the binary package mplayer-amd64 should be removed [09:40] not mplayer as whole.. === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d5152D086.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:41] Old binaries that are no longer built from source tend to be purged on a reasonably regular basis. [09:41] okay. didn't know that [09:42] just wanted help avoiding having this particular mplayer-amd64 package remove before breezy. a friend was confused by this [09:43] ouch - I can't start the OO.o help on ppc/install - any confirmations? === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:45] doko_: oo.o2-help-en-us is not installed on powerpc - any idea? === jhank [n=Miranda@c211-28-250-148.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vuntz_ [n=vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dredg [n=nsherida@80.169.137.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:03] i know... but i just want download the final.... so is there a time set when the new cd image is to be released? [10:04] i'm sorry, that's the wrong channel guys :( === lifeless [n=robertc@dsl-215.16.240.220.rns02-kent-syd.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti_live [n=ubuntu@mail.fbn-dd.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Skid [i=cm@unaffiliated/skid] has joined #ubuntu-devel === atripathi [n=abhishek@59.94.38.4] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] is it the place where suggestions could be given ? [10:09] suggestions? we're already testing the cds heh [10:10] not sure if this is the place, tried the motu channel but its a lil quiet ;) - what does it take to become a mirror, and are there any estimates on usages? [10:10] Skid: mirrors@ubuntu.com is the right place afaik [10:11] might be mirror@ too... hmm [10:11] dholbach: alright cheers, I'll cc both.. going to 'unoffically' mirro the breezy dvd/images tomorrow anyway and try to pass them around our peers etc to lighten the load a teeny bit :) [10:11] anyway i will put it here. I would like better GUI support to network connections. I am having adsl and need to type pon dsl-provider evertime to connect. I would like better dialing app which could also ping to the dhcp host to keep the connection alive. [10:11] +r [10:12] though its not a big problem but i feel it is essentially required for the pppoe i am using over dsl === enrico_ [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:12] and yes....before migrating to Ubuntu i used fedora3 and it had better GUI support to it [10:13] Skid: cool [10:13] I guess it was worth suggesting here [10:13] DARN - /me beats OO.o help to death [10:13] ? [10:14] Hoary rocks.....hope breezy rocks even more. Likely to get the CDs pretty soon [10:14] Skid: We're hoping for 2Gbit/s :) [10:14] doko_, Kamion: on amd64-live, ooo2-help-en-us is installed, but pressing F1 just brings "Help system could not be started". on ppc/install, the package is not even installed, and same effect [10:15] heh I've got a few 100Mb links unused [10:15] doko_, Kamion: it works fine for me on ppc-live [10:15] but it won't be on outbound gig, sorry :P [10:15] that'd push me over our cdr [10:15] s/me/us [10:16] Skid: Well, if you are around for the peak demand, we might be in need of http redirect targets. I'm se.releases btw. [10:16] Skid: But hopefully we won't get that much above 2Gbit demand [10:16] what sort of usages do you see? [10:17] I've got dual fe's bonded up ready atm.. [10:17] a couple of hundred Mbit/s, I think [10:17] alrighty :) [10:17] the entire mirror sees 300:ish Mbit/s daily average, 500Mbit/s peak, but that's more than just ubuntu [10:17] http redirect targets = ? [10:18] the mighty hand of maswan at work... [10:18] heh [10:18] A bit over half of that seems to be ubuntu [10:18] rest is what, repo's etc? [10:19] Skid: During releases I try to find a few extra boxes with lots of ram and gigE that I can redirect the popular files to. [10:19] http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/index.html.en [10:20] we're also ftp.se.debian.org, ftp.gnome.org, ftp.mozilla.org, se.archive.u.c, and mirror some hobbyist movies [10:20] ahhh see what oyu mean now :) [10:20] if only uk transit was cheap :) [10:20] suppose i could get some cheapo clognet crap in, but like that's nolonger a full table so :P === atripathi [n=abhishek@59.94.38.4] has left #ubuntu-devel ["GoodBye"] [10:20] the trick is to be on an NREN where they like usage :) [10:21] is there a specific time set, when the ubuntu is to be released tomorrow? [10:21] ah, uni netowkr [10:21] jhank : When we're good and ready. === CaiN_SA [n=cain@rrba-146-71-178.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:22] is there a time set for that? *fg* === pitti [n=pitti@mail.fbn-dd.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:23] jhank, nope [10:23] hehe okay :) === herzi [n=herzi@c172201.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:41] elmo: could you please sync pvm from sid? === silbs [n=jane@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:45] hey silbs [10:46] Kamion,mdz: install CDs still carry the "Release Candidate" thing around.. noticed on expert install [10:46] Kamion: oem install is ok, i found a few glitches tho.. [10:47] fabbione, did you oem loop into the creation of the user? [10:47] Kamion: aborting the "test phase" brings you back to X.. i didn't see the message that the machine will be reconfigured at the next reboot (i might have just overlooked at it) [10:48] Kamion: at the next reboot.. when oem-config runs in X and select "other locations" i am not offered the option to select which one. So either i live in the ones that are presented there or i can't select ;) [10:48] jsgotangco: no [10:48] how did you get there? [10:48] jsgotangco: good morning [10:49] i was testing yesterday's x86 build and somehow after the reboot, the creation of the first user looped [10:51] jsgotangco: try with the new images [10:51] jsgotangco: Kamion did fix a bunch of oem bugs right 12 hours ago [10:51] or so [10:51] right === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simira [n=rpGirl@214.84-48-74.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === silbs [n=jane@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ploum [n=ploum@85.201.2.96] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rafl [n=rafl@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:1757] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pusakat [n=xenos@203.167.88.7] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti_live [n=ubuntu@mail.fbn-dd.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:09] Hi again === martink [n=martin@p54B38FDC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:10] wb pitti_live [11:10] seb128: do you get OO.o help breakage, too? [11:11] pitti_live: on a new i386 install no [11:11] pressing F1 from the writer works fine === stub [n=stub@203-214-4-72.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:12] seb128: on which arch and install/live? can you add your results to the wiki? [11:12] ah, ok [11:12] pitti_live: on a new i386 install no [11:12] "i386 install" [11:12] yep, sorry :-) [11:12] and I'm going to, I just logged to the desktop like 1 min ago [11:12] let me play with it before updating the wiki :) [11:12] I've the wiki page open on my browser :) [11:13] ok, I finished editing the page === pitti_live goes over to the other two boxes [11:14] ah, wait, I add i386/live [11:15] WTF [11:15] the language-selector has not boxes to the second column [11:18] seb128: that usually means that your sources.list is either missing some deb entries or a apt-get update is missing === pietrus [n=pietro@dsl027-180-120.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:19] sabdfl, pong (sorry was up late) [11:20] ogra: artwork email [11:20] yes, i just see it [11:21] mvo: right, that's due to this crappy bug making that eth0 is not set on boot [11:22] seb128: will be fixed very early in dapper [11:22] seb128: oh, no. I was confusing this with the ifconfig bug [11:23] and running dhclient breaks lo which makes GNOME unhappy :) [11:24] k, I've the boxes now [11:25] seb128: that one is getting fixed very early :) [11:25] sabdfl: we can delay the Edubuntu release a bit, certainly, but changing the archive for Edubuntu now is very awkward and risky [11:25] ok, then let's go ahead [11:25] fabbione: release candidate> thanks, will fix that === hno73 [n=henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:26] fabbione: oem> yeah, I know the UI is pretty glitchy - if you could file bugs about those things, I'd appreciate it [11:26] I'm not going to sort them out now, but we can polish it up for dapper [11:26] which UI is that Kamion? [11:26] sabdfl: OEMInstaller [11:26] pitti_live: it's really hard to generate jigdos after the image has been built at the moment [11:27] Kamion, could you just wipe the current edubuntu-artwork ? the only diff for the last upload was the wallpaper, su that would revert it [11:27] pitti_live: I might do a run with jigdo turned on, but can't guarantee it [11:27] s/su/so [11:27] ogra: er, no, I can't "just wipe" anything [11:27] what's the problem? [11:27] Some people, sabdfl included dont like the wallpaper [11:28] Kamion: sure.. i will do in a minute.. i need to get some food first :) [11:28] my last upload changed exactly this... so if we culd revert the package one revision, it wold at leas be the former one [11:29] meh, ReleaseChecklist says that artwork is to be sorted a week before release for a reason [11:29] mvo: ok, so language-support-en was installed for you on i386/oem? [11:29] so, Edubuntu doesn't have a live CD, and edubuntu-artwork isn't on any other CD image [11:29] which gives us a slim window [11:29] Kamion, yup [11:29] Kamion: I have severe troubles with OO.o help on various configurations (ppc, amd64), can you confirm? [11:30] pitti_live: not yet, I was up late last night and have just got up [11:30] ok, nm [11:30] pitti_live : I'm about to do amd64 tests. [11:30] I'm running amd64/oem ATM === ivoks [n=ivoks@83-131-15-201.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:30] and will do ppc/expert now [11:30] hi all [11:30] pitti_live: I haven't tested i386/oem yet [11:30] ogra: make a new edubuntu-artwork upload with wallpaper the way sabdfl wants it [11:30] Kamion, ok [11:30] and do it quickly [11:30] mvo, ah, misread, that was expert [11:30] (but not without testing ...) [11:30] i know this is not the place, but i'm at client, and don't have time for bugzilla [11:31] but we have major loss of functionaly with samba and tiger OSX [11:31] sabdfl, any opinion ? any wallpaper you like best ? === ubuntu_ [n=ubuntu@i577B2283.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubuntu_ is now known as dholbach_ [11:31] pitti_live: why is oo help not on the powerpc cd? oo2-core _depends_ on it ... [11:31] ogra: we have one chance to get this right [11:32] doko_: it *is* on the powerpc CD. You could have found this out yourself by looking in the .list files [11:32] Kamion, ok... i would have stayed with the former one... but several people spoke up it was to boring for kids... no idea what to take now [11:33] doko_: the thing is, on ppc/install, l-support-en is *installed* but ooo2-help-en-us is not; it is in the apt cache, though [11:33] on ppc/oem, language-suppor-en is not even installed, and neither is ooo2-help-en-us [11:33] pitti_live: check /var/log/base-config-pkgsel.log [11:34] Kamion : The images are still labelled "Release Candidate"... I assume that means there's one more CD build required? [11:35] infinity: yeah, fabbione told me that earlier [11:35] ivoks : Known issue, a bug has been filed, but without someone isolating the patch to fix it, I can't do much about it, sorry. [11:35] dists/breezy/Release needs to be changed too [11:36] infinity: it's fixed in .20 [11:36] ivoks : You can always blame Apple for being the only vendor in the world that doesn't fall back to a working auth method when their shiny-new-auth-method fails, though. [11:36] infinity: i do blame Apple :/ [11:36] ivoks : Yes, and .20 is a HUGE upgrade. We're not putting it in. [11:36] infinity: i'll try to isolate patch [11:36] ivoks : So, again, without someone isolating a small and sane patch, no fix until dapper. [11:36] ivoks : If you can isolate a patch that's sane, I'll argue to get it into breezy-updates post-release. [11:37] infinity: i didn't mean to import .20, just that patch... [11:37] infinity: ok [11:37] technically, dapper in *Tuesday* for the brave :-) [11:37] Kamion: I'm in ppc/oem installation now. the log has no trace of language-support-en [11:37] GOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS! [11:37] Hi jdub [11:37] Kamion: neither of ooo help [11:38] <\sh> jdub: please...not so loud...my brain is paining a lot [11:38] Kamion, ogra: edubuntu artwork can go as-is [11:38] jdub is clearly in release mode this morning ;-) [11:38] pitti_live: please investigate starting with the code in /usr/lib/base-config/menu/pkgsel; it will be a while before I can investigate myself [11:38] sabdfl: ok [11:39] sabdfl, ok :) === kent [n=kent@h55d210.delphi.afb.lu.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:39] infinity: i'll contact you when i have a success... see you === zoot_ [n=zoot@rrba-146-117-118.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:40] ivoks : there's an open bug about it in bugzilla, you can follow up to that and attach the patch. [11:40] morning jdub [11:40] infinity: ok [11:40] ivoks : http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17509 [11:40] infinity: thanks [11:41] ivoks : I narrowed it down to about a month worth of Jeremy fiddling with rewriting, like, half ot thr RPC code. Which is unacceptable. If you can fix it in a tiny and obvious patch, cool. [11:41] infinity: can you provide url with patches (or they are in svn?) since i would like to test them [11:41] infinity: uh... sounds bad :/ [11:42] We may just suffer with being incomatible with Tiger until dapper. We're not alone in that boat. [11:42] infinity: yeah, i know... [11:43] Just about everyone out there right now is incompatible with Tiger, and IMO, the onus is on Apple to release an update that works with older SMB implementations. [11:43] infinity: trouble is that my buissness depends on osx compatibility :) [11:43] infinity: so i'll work on fix and contact you about that [11:44] bye all [11:44] sabdfl: BOS->LON arriving at 6am mode, methinks ;) === lazyb0y [n=henning@u2-214.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simza [n=rpGirl@214.84-48-74.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vuntz_ [n=vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Xof [n=mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=martin@mail.fbn-dd.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:50] Of those who are testing images with the very latest artwork, could you grab 4-5 screenshots and send them to me? I'll want to update this page today http://www.ubuntu.com/screenshots (henrik@ubuntu.com) Thanks [11:50] doko_: ping [11:52] pitti: incidentally, if you didn't know already, you can also rsync one of our DVDs more quickly by starting from the concatenation of the install and live CDs ... [11:52] Kamion: ok, right [11:52] doko_: on both amd64/live and install-oem, ooo-help-en-us is installed, but help does not work; how can I debug this? [11:53] if you were only going to be jigdoing from basically the contents of the install and live CDs anyway, it should be about the same [11:53] 10:38 < Kamion> pitti_live: please investigate starting with the code in /usr/lib/base-config/menu/pkgsel; it will be a while before I can investigate myself [11:53] pitti: ^-- [11:53] for the case where it isn't installed, in case you didn't see that === Kamion goes for breakfast while CD images rsync === mvo [n=egon@suprimo-218.ping.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:56] pitti: looking at it, I usually use strace, but that doesn't seem to work with 32bit bianries [11:57] doko_: on my previously installed system help works fine, but not with the freshly installed one; I'll try a fresh normal installation, too [11:57] pitti_: the 32bit strace does work however === pitti tests amd64/expert === marilize_ [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128_ [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-28-77.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hypatia [n=mary@adsl-66-203.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:06] Mithrandir: ping [12:06] doko_: pong [12:07] is there a place to describe issues? [12:07] i386 with custom partitionning doesn't boot [12:07] "Hard disk boot sector invalid. Press 'H' to retry ..." [12:07] seb128: works here.. where did you put / or /boot ? [12:08] I made a automatic-partitionning install before [12:08] booted this one [12:08] picked the manual partitionning [12:08] deleted the previous one [12:08] (+ that sounds like a BIOS can't read MBR issue) [12:08] create a 10G / and a swap [12:08] and didn't put any boot flag (should I?) [12:08] It looks like if I add the 32bit libdb-4.2.so in LD_PRELOAD, I can start the help on amd64. Is there a way to determine other libs, which are preloaded, as well? [12:08] dunno if that's an user error or not ... [12:08] s/preloaded/dlopened/ [12:09] seb128: did you put swap before / ? if so how big? [12:09] no [12:09] hda1 is 10Go / [12:09] Ah, fabbione. Hello. [12:09] hda2 is 500M swao [12:09] swap [12:09] seb128: did you make hda1 active? [12:09] some BIOSes don't like it if you don't [12:09] seb128: looks ok [12:09] Diziet: yo, yes? [12:09] s/active/bootable/, whatever the terminology in use is [12:10] Kamion: nop, what I said with " and didn't put any boot flag (should I?)" [12:10] Mithrandir: ^^^ [12:10] In scrollback you say something about gs and an ICE ?! [12:10] dunno if that's an user error or not ... [12:10] seb128: yes, you probably should [12:10] Diziet: i already fixed it.. sort of.. [12:10] seb128: I have a bug open about this; we tried to fix it for hoary, but it was more complicated than expected so we deferred until, um, breezy (oops) [12:10] Kamion: k, I thought than first partition was set automatically [12:10] Um, OK, I'll go and look ... [12:10] Diziet: i had to switch sparc back to gcc-3.4.. one of your patches manage to ICE on sparc with gcc-4.0 [12:10] Kamion: do you have the bug number so I can point it on the wiki? [12:11] The stdarg one, no doubt. But even so I didn't think it was very controversial. [12:11] seb128: I'm just looking, one sec [12:11] thanks [12:11] seb128: it's not a regression in breezy though [12:11] pitti: please check for the amd64 help: copy the 32bit libdb-4.2.so to /usr/lib32, add it in /usr/lib/openoffice2/program/soffice.bin to LD_PRELOAD (white space separated), then start ooo again [12:11] shit, amd64/expert hangs at installing grub === SteveA [n=steve@office.pov.lt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:11] Just in case I'm wrong somehow, I'd like to see it for myself. DYK what our sparc in the colo is called ? [12:11] seb128: #7906 [12:11] Kamion: probably not, I had such issue before hoary [12:11] mjg59: hi, around? [12:11] thanks [12:12] Diziet : We don't have one. [12:12] doko_: ok, next time when my amd64 has finished stuff [12:12] inf: Oh. [12:12] sparc's an unofficial port, fabbione runs it more or less solo [12:12] Right, OK. [12:12] doko_: no, there isn't. [12:12] In that case, fabbione, can you tell me file and line number or do you not get the line number ? [12:13] Diziet: one second... === pusakat [n=xenos@203.167.88.7] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] Kamion: i am not THAT alone :) just for the buildd/integration side :) [12:13] right [12:13] Diziet: http://bld-3.mmjgroup.com/buildLogs/g/gs-gpl/8.01-5ubuntu4/gs-gpl_8.01-5ubuntu4_20051011-1533-sparc-failed.gz [12:14] Diziet: anyway.. that's stuff to look for dapper [12:14] Diziet: nothing to worry about for now.. [12:14] Kamion, fabbione: setting the hda1 bootable flag with fdisk fixes the issue [12:14] seb128: good [12:14] perfect [12:14] seb128: what machine? === pusakat [n=xenos@203.167.88.7] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [12:15] Kamion: the packard bell laptop that jdub had during the Oxford time [12:16] right, I think we only ever had this problem with some dodgy laptop BIOSes [12:17] Kamion: are there 360k place on the amd64 CD's? to get the ooo help working, we need the 32bit libdb-4.2.so [12:17] but yeah, we really must actually fix this in dapper rather than forgetting about it [12:18] doko_: yes, we certainly have that much room; shame it'll require a livefs rebuild [12:18] Kamion: bugs filed.. [12:18] Mithrandir: which package should contain the 32bit libdb4.2.so? [12:19] oh, but having to rebuild ooo2 is going to SUCK [12:19] ah, only ooo2-amd64 [12:19] Kamion: no, just repackaging the amd64 bits [12:19] Kamion: expert install at both ppc and amd64 hangs; I have an idea about the reason, do you want to discuss this now or shall we ignore this? [12:19] pitti_live: now [12:19] pitti_live: how do they hang? [12:19] doko_: ia32-libs, probably. [12:20] Kamion: on amd64 it hangs at installing grub [12:20] Kamion: I killed d-i's apt and chrooted into /target and apt-get install grub [12:20] I bet it's having trouble in apt-install === mvo is goint to test this next once the cd is burned [12:20] Kamion: it asks me to insert the CDROM, I press enter, it asks me again [12:21] pitti_live: do you have working network at this stage? [12:21] Kamion: d-i's apt hogs 100% CPU, I assume it tries to ask that question, too (non-interactively) [12:21] ok, I think I saw this on i386 too yesterday, but I was on a heavily-hacked installer so I disregarded it in favour of other problems [12:21] mvo: yes, I can ping [12:21] in retrospect that was probably a mistake [12:21] I suspect the apt-setup integration [12:22] Kamion: same happens on ppc in stage 2 - apt-get hangs without any progress [12:22] Kamion: with the same reason (does not recognize the CD) [12:22] perhaps it is buggy and generates a different sources.list at low priority [12:22] pitti_live: hangs at the end of the installation? [12:22] pitti_live: what's in /target/etc/apt/sources.list? === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-90-162.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:22] hmm... our spell check is broken [12:22] fabbione: amd64 expert: at grub install, ppc install: right at the beginning of stage2 [12:23] could someone try to spell check a document in openoffice please? [12:23] Kamion: let me go over and look [12:23] oh begining.. pitti_live: bad burn? [12:23] no [12:23] fabbione: no, this is a real problem [12:23] never mind [12:23] Kamion: yeah.. it can't be bad burn if it did copy successfully pkgs at stage1 [12:24] sabdfl: checking now [12:24] fabbione: no, the same CD worked fine for server and normal install [12:24] sabdfl: works fine for me with the writer [12:24] sabdfl: do you see the "ABC" icon in the language preferences? [12:24] Kamion: sources.list has the CD-ROM with main aind restricted; on my iBook that's the only source (no nework), on amd64 I have the network sources, oo [12:25] sabdfl: looks good here [12:25] zcsdevn.i (gcc -E output) from old and new gs-gpl are identical modulo one embedded pathname in a #... line number annotation. So it's not my change that broke it. [12:25] Kamion: since apt does ask for the CD, it seems that apt wants a different one [12:25] pitti_live: is this after installation, or when it hangs? [12:25] Mithrandir: are the cups libs somewhere in ia32-libs? [12:25] Kamion: I killed d-i's apt and logged in VC 2 [12:25] Kamion: still at end of stage 1 [12:25] Kamion: and grub is not installed [12:25] Diziet: it did build fine previously.. with gcc-4.0.. so something did change :) [12:26] hmm, that's very odd [12:26] GCC ? [12:26] Are you sure the hardware is reliable ? :-) [12:26] doko_: I don't think so. [12:26] Diziet: dude.. yes. the hw is realiable [12:26] Kamion: as already said, it works fine for normal and server mode, just expert [12:26] I'll investigate this myself right now [12:26] doko_: but printing works fine, so please don't fuck around with that. [12:26] pitti_live: yeah, that makes me inclined not to suspect apt [12:26] Kamion: shall I try apt-setup again on amd64? (too late for ppc, already stage 2) [12:26] pitti_live: no [12:27] mvo: how do I compare the signature of apt-setup with the actual CD I have in the drive? [12:27] pitti_live: greek chars look much better after the fontconfig fix btw [12:27] I'm betting strongly that sources.list looks different between normal and expert installs at that stage, or else that apt-get update hasn't been run in one of those scenarios [12:27] pitti_live: apt-cdrom ident should do [12:28] mvo: but apt-get seems to have a different idea of my CD; where can I see the stored id? [12:28] mvo : Have you learned to reed greek, so you can enjoy your greek install a bit more? [12:29] Mithrandir: I "don't fuck around with that", please change your tone [12:29] hey guys... come on... easy.. we are all overstressed for release [12:29] pitti_live: "apt-cdrom ident" gives you a identifier for the cd, then you can check /var/lib/apt/cdroms.list [12:29] Kamion: I partially solved ppc: I inserted the CD again and killed the apt-get, now it installs [12:30] Kamion: I didn't copy the debs on hd for ppc; however, it should ask to insert the CD in that case (no blocker, though) [12:31] infinity: no, of course not. but I still enjoy the nice glyphs [12:31] too late for a kernel change? [12:31] :D [12:31] i mean, recompile. [12:32] segfault: yes way too late [12:32] Your kernel was built with "gcc" version "3.4.5", while you are trying to use [12:32] "/usr/bin/gcc" version "4.0.2". [12:32] :( [12:32] pitti_live: we don't have a UI for CD insertion at the moment, but that should not be happening at all and is a blocker bug [12:33] segfault: no.. that's the correct behaviour... you are doing something wrong to build your nvidia drivers [12:33] segfault: export CC=gcc-3.4 and recompile whatever you are doing [12:33] UI> in base-config that is - it requires funky fd handling to get a newline back to aptitude's stdin [12:33] i'm trying to compile vmware, but shouldn't the kernel be compiled with gcc4 too? [12:33] segfault: no. [12:34] Kamion: ok, more ideas: fingerprints are identical [12:34] segfault: -> #ubuntu and no.. [12:34] mithrandir: why not? [12:34] Kamion: but when I chroot /target, I cannot mount the CD [12:34] its not a user question, i know how to fix it [12:34] segfault: because it breaks. [12:34] i'm just trying to figure out why its not using gcc4 :) [12:34] segfault: it is a user question.. and it's not a bug [12:34] Kamion: the strange thing is that it shouldn't hang when the question is asked but fall back to some other source or fail complettly [12:34] Kamion: it says it is "busy"; I can only mount it when I umount it from the d-i root fs before [12:35] pitti_live: I think you're on the wrong track, because none of that sort of thing should be affected by the prevailing debconf priority, surely? [12:35] not that I know the problem yet, but ... [12:35] mvo: /v/l/apt/cdroms.list has two entries for the CDs: same fingerprint, but the second has a ::Label thing; is that right? [12:35] CD handling in the installer is delicate and doing stuff by hand at the same time may well break it; that in itself is not surprising [12:36] the question is what happens at DEBCONF_PRIORITY=low that is different from what happens at DEBCONF_PRIORITY=high [12:36] Kamion: how does the package install work? does d-i chroot into /target and calls apt-get? [12:36] Kamion : I have a spot of good news for you. In my crazy HDD setup on my girlfriend's computer, the installer managed to get the crazy grub remap-and-chainload magic right for the first time so it dual-boots without hanging. [12:36] pitti_live: see /bin/apt-install [12:36] infinity: rah :-) [12:36] Kamion: or does it call apt-get with a --target option? [12:36] What it breaks? [12:36] no, it chroots [12:37] I cannot paste the line right now because my mouse is acting up [12:38] pitti_live: yes, two lines should be ok === Kamion tries a machine without network access, to isolate that factor === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487F7F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mull [n=christia@p54B9F46A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:45] Hello I think I have found an X11 bug .. but it would be nice if someone could confirm it === Mirv [n=tajyrink@pdpc/supporter/active/Mirv] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:45] If I reach the end of certain "input buffers" the screen flickers (turns to black and redraws) [12:46] Hrmph. We really should have the installer dpkg-divert fc-cache, and run it once at the end of the install. [12:46] I think the collective font postinsts are responsible for about 30% of my install time. [12:46] infinity: i thought Kamion had done that? [12:46] infinity: does it do significant duplicate work each time? [12:46] jdub: no, that was scrollkeeper [12:46] Test case: open gvim. press "i". and then the down button. [12:46] Kamion : Yes. [12:46] scrollkeeper *does* do significant duplicate work each time, due to insufficient caching [12:46] infinity: ok, can do that in dapper then === jdub thought you had done both, having mentioned it before ;) [12:47] infinity, i think its more than 30% [12:47] jdub: you did? I don't remember [12:47] infinity: file a base-config bug for me please, milestone Ubuntu 6.04 [12:47] mull: works for me [12:47] typing a not nown search entry in firefox search bar also shows that behavior [12:48] The only other installer complain I had is the complete lack of password-safety checking. It let me set a password I'd never be allowed to set at runtime ("foo") [12:48] Again, far too late to care. [12:48] err nown == found [12:48] infinity: iz passwd.config bug, but yeah [12:49] mull: i suggest you write a detailed bug report on bugzilla.ubuntu.com (hardware, attach xorg.conf, test cases, versions of stuff you use) [12:49] ok [12:49] ... And the installer doesn't clear out kernel update-notifications, so the first boot sees a lightbulb. [12:49] Yay. [12:49] (Will be fixed differently in dapper anyway, I suppose) [12:49] base-config has code to do that [12:49] does it not work? [12:50] Kamion : I'm going to go with "no"... My freshly-installed amd64 system showed me a kernel reboot notification. [12:50] it's near the bottom of /usr/lib/base-config/menu/pkgsel [12:50] mvo: ? [12:50] mull: you probably use the visual bell? [12:50] find /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/ -type f -printf '%P\n' \ [12:50] | sed "s/\$/ $(date +%s) 0/" \ [12:50] > /etc/update-notifier/hooks_seen [12:51] Kamion: that should work... [12:51] mull: gnome-sound-properties, System Bell ... do you use "Visual feedback"? [12:53] mvo : I'm going to run through the installer all over again and not click the icon this time, so I can see what state the installer is leaving the notifications in... [12:53] -rw-r--r-- 1 doko 2500 8815840 Oct 12 10:35 ia32-libs_1.4ubuntu2_amd64.deb [12:53] -rw-r--r-- 1 doko 2500 9172382 Oct 12 10:51 ia32-libs_1.4ubuntu3_amd64.deb [12:53] Kamion: ok to upload? [12:53] infinity: thanks, I'll look for it on my next install too [12:54] doko_: subject to having a look at the debdiff afterwards, yes [12:54] doko_: (tested, I assume :-)) [12:54] infinity: FWIW I don't remember seeing the same thing recently [12:55] If it doesn't do it on the second run, then this is non-deterministic, and I'm frightened. [12:55] I'm hoping it shows up again this time. [12:55] Kamion: testing from the package makes sense with the changed oo-amd64 package only. but tested by copying the lib manually [12:55] Also, do we do a reverse DNS lookup to guess the hostname in the installer?.. I found it infinitely creepy that it knew my machine's name. === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] (And cool) [12:56] infinity: yes.. since a long time [12:56] I probably didn't have functioning reverse DNS the last time I did installer tests. :) [12:56] when was that? pre-warty? [12:57] i recall it working since warty :) === pitti [n=ubuntu@dialin-212-144-002-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:57] bah, I got disconnected [12:57] pitti_live Kamion: I just saw it myself [12:57] pitti_live Kamion: mounting the CD in the chroot fails [12:57] pitti_live Kamion: that might be the reason [12:57] * pitti_live tries something [12:57] pitti_live Kamion: confirmed: when I umount /cdrom in VC2, it works [12:58] hno73: did you say something? [01:00] pitti: It's just a general request to people who are doing testing to grab some screenshots of the latest desktop, if you have a chance (for the website) [01:00] if it's convenient [01:01] doko_: "changed oo-amd64 package"> I didn't think oo-amd64 needed to be changed [01:05] Kamion: since the install was totally screwed now, I'll try it again and report back [01:06] Kamion: why? I need to add the lib to LD_PRELOAD [01:06] doko_: why do you need to do that? [01:07] Mithrandir: to get the help working? [01:08] doko_: I hope ooo2 doesn't try to dlopen with full path? [01:08] pitti: hmm, it just worked fine for me on i386/expert [01:08] pitti: did you select all the defaults? [01:09] Has anyone tried the latest breezy kernel and VMware 5? [01:09] Kamion: mostly; I said no to pcmcia support and did not copy the packages to hd at first [01:09] pitti: AH [01:09] Kamion: after the first failure and killing, I copied the packages to hd and tried again, but same result [01:09] some oops around here. [01:09] pitti: don't do that then :-) [01:09] Mithrandir: ahh, ok, I was missing a ldconfig after the manual installation [01:10] Kamion: i386/expert worked fine for me too, I didn't copied the packages, but inserted the cd during boot [01:10] ^--- pitti [01:10] Kamion: copying packages to hd is evil (from my POV), so I first tried without :-) and the menu doesn't force me to do it, so I didn't [01:10] mvo: ok, that's the case of my ppc; but I'm not even at the reboot stage on amd64 [01:10] pitti: if that's the only situation where it fails, I'm happy to live with the problem for breezy [01:11] yes [01:11] I try it with copying ackages now [01:11] bbl, maybe my main network returns soon [01:11] mvo: please ring my mobile or landline if I should go online [01:11] mvo: is that possible? [01:11] mvo: I need to go offline for a bit [01:12] pitti: /msg [01:13] when do the archives close? [01:13] universe wise [01:14] Lathiat: not yet, it seems [01:14] for hoary it was just before release [01:14] i guess === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax7-109.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:15] just wanting to sync avahi 0.5.2-2 [01:15] what's new in it? [01:15] just a couple dependancy fixes [01:15] Kamion: are the current ubuntu dvds excpected to be final? [01:16] Riddell: no [01:16] getting a sync might be a challenge, mdz/kamion/elmo will be flat out [01:16] but more or less final in terms of content [01:16] I guess you could do a straight upload with those fixes as -1ubuntu1 [01:16] no don't do that [01:16] I'll do a sync in a moment [01:16] though it's not the best thing [01:16] Kamion: oh good, thanks :) === johnm is now known as MiniKitty [01:16] where does avahi come from? debian? [01:16] experimental [01:16] Kamion: experimental [01:16] bah i just mailed elmo === MiniKitty is now known as johnm [01:17] Lathiat: so mail him to say it's been done [01:17] Kamion: amd64/expert looks fine so far (with pkg copyied to hd), stage2 almost finished [01:18] Lathiat: ITYM incoming [01:18] yeah, it's probably still stuck there [01:19] mvo : Second fresh install, lightbulb is back again. What state files do you need to see to debug this? [01:20] infinity: I'm doing a fresh install myself right now, but you can /msg me /etc/update-notifier/hooks_seen, ls -laR /var/lib/update-notifier/ and cat /proc/uptime [01:21] Lathiat: I don't know how to do syncs from incoming (i.e. how to get the Sources file); you'll have to ask elmo === pitti [n=ubuntu@mail.fbn-dd.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:21] Kamion: ok [01:21] yay network back [01:21] hopefully by the time elmo gets my mail it will hit experimental [01:22] doko_: do you know the amd64 ooo failure reason now? [01:22] doko_: I just did ppc/expert and it worked [01:22] mvo : Kay, will in a bit. I need to make some food; the natives are restless. [01:23] mvo : On a hunch, try installing with "the clock isn't set to UTC" (which I did, because this dual-boots with Windows) [01:24] pitti: copy libdb-4.2.so from an i386 installation into /usr/lib32 === psichron [n=psichron@nomad.eendrag.sun.ac.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:26] infinity: I think that's the problem. I haven't seen it in the test-installs I did so far (and I did a lot :) but that's because I always set to UTC [01:27] infinity: strange, this bug is probably around for some time then [01:27] doko_: ok, so you know the reason; thanks [01:28] Kamion: bad news - I did the expert installation again (amd64) with copying packages [01:28] Kamion: same result - I have to umount /cdrom and kill the apt-get process, then reattempt grub instalation [01:29] pitti: worked fine here (amd64, with copying) [01:29] pitti: was grub copied to /target/var/cache/apt/archives/, *before* you fiddled with it? === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.2.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:30] Is the latest amd64-smp kernel broken? [01:31] Kernel BUG at "mm/mmap.c":1937 [01:31] http://krogh.cc/~jesper/report [01:32] who uses mmap anyway :P [01:43] elmo: please change breezy's Release file to say "Ubuntu Breezy 5.10"; we don't want it Untouchable yet, but this will let me build really-candidate CDs [01:43] <\sh> I hope my day off from work tomorrow will be approved [01:43] Kamion: I'm 80% sure that it wasn't, but I have to check [01:44] Kamion: Can I upload a new acpi-support to disable laptop-mode by default? [01:44] mjg59: urgh. What exactly's the problem? [01:44] It causes various machines to hang === Mirv [n=tajyrink@pdpc/supporter/active/Mirv] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:44] In a way that I can't reproduce and which seems to make no sense whatsoever, but still [01:45] and the consequences (apart from making us have to rebuild all the live filesystems)? [01:45] \sh: you deserve a day off :) [01:45] Kamion: 100% sure; it isn't in apt cache even after installing it (obvious, since installing from CD doesn't copy packages) [01:45] \sh: feeling ill still, or just want to rest? [01:45] Kamion: Higher power consumption on laptops [01:45] <\sh> ajmitch: I want it, because I want to have a test install run tonight :) [01:45] mdz requested the change [01:45] mmm nifty, just got a support request through to a little non profit isp i look after and the user was using breezy firefox :) [01:45] haha === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-28-77.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:45] \sh: nearly 1AM here, but I doubt I can get a day off tomorrow :) [01:45] Kamion: so probably grub should be copied, too, or even better, the CD should always be unmounted after apt setup? [01:46] pitti: what effect would DEBCONF_PRIORITY=low have on either of those things? [01:46] <\sh> ajmitch: *g* [01:46] pitti: grub wasn't copied in hoary and it did no harm [01:46] and it isn't copied in normal installa [01:46] installs [01:46] \sh: I'll just have to have a quiet beer to celebrate the release after work :) [01:47] mjg59: when did he request it? [01:47] (bug number?) [01:47] Kamion: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6108 [01:48] mjg59: urgh, that was a week ago :( [01:48] Kamion: I'd also like to disable starting irda services on resume, because it hangs some machines on resume (including the HPs) [01:48] but ok [01:49] Kamion: Yeah. Sorry, I missed the mail [01:49] right, do what you have to and no more [01:49] Ok [01:49] thanks [01:50] Kamion: is the eom stage2 of the installer different? it has some untranslated strings [01:50] Kamion: I have no idea; I just reproduced it three times now [01:50] seb128: #17366. they're untranslatable right now [01:50] thanks [01:51] pitti: that was amd64/export, any other options? I can't reproduce it here :/ [01:51] pitti: I'm strongly disinclined to randomly perturb an area of code I know to be very delicate when we don't even understand the problem [01:52] mvo: yes, I only changed one question (not install pcmcia) [01:52] pitti: AFAIK the CD is left mounted at that point in order to allow apt to read packages from it [01:52] unmounting it would break things [01:52] pitti: ok, I didn't included that too. I'll give it another try soon [01:52] Kamion: but if you can't mount the CD in the chroot a second time, it at least explains the effect [01:53] ok, if it works for mvo, it's prolly not a blocker [01:53] pitti: why is apt trying to mount it a second time at all? it shouldn't be [01:54] we bind-mount /cdrom to /target/cdrom in base-installer, and leave it that way until near the start of prebaseconfig [01:54] Kamion: because it wants to install grub, which is on the CD, but not in apt cache [01:54] pitti: but the CD is already mounted; it should not be remounting it [01:54] Kamion: the CD does not appear as mounted in /target [01:54] ok, I will check the bind mount next time [01:54] ok, so the question is what is unmounting it [01:55] Kamion: unmouting? [01:55] presumably apt-setup, but why only in expert installs? [01:55] I'll just finish this installation to test the desktop stuff, update the wiki, and try it again [01:55] and I'll watch out for the bind mount [01:55] I definitively know that "mount" does not print the CD [01:55] I'll check [01:55] I think apt-setup unmounts and remounts [01:56] but that's normally ok [01:56] ok, I change computer and give back this one, brb [01:56] 'mount' might not print it [01:56] 'ls /target/cdrom/' to be sure === pitti [n=martin@mail.fbn-dd.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:58] pitti: I really wish you'd use screen ... makes it hard to have a conversation with you when you keep disappearing [01:58] pitti: anyway, if you could put 'set -x' near the top of /target/usr/sbin/apt-setup before the apt configuration stage runs, that'd be helpful [01:58] the shell trace should land in /var/log/syslog [02:00] <\sh> wow....breezy update party today in the NOC of ISH ;) [02:00] Kamion: will do [02:01] Kamion: Ok, incoming [02:03] doko: your ia32-libs upload includes a number of non-changelogged package updates [02:03] doko: I would much prefer to have *only* the libdb4.2 addition === bob2 [i=rob@crumbs.ertius.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === devid [n=devid@217.199.1.132] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:07] Kamion: hmm, so don't rebuild the package, just do a fake rebuild? [02:07] hi to all . there is someone who can help me? [02:07] devid: this is not a support channel, particularily when people are trying to do a release; if you need help, try #ubuntu [02:07] Can I find "older" kernel packages somewhere? [02:07] doko: yes - I'd like the only change in a debdiff from 1.4ubuntu2 to be the addition of libdb4.2 [02:07] i must use the command top to modify the priority of the process [02:08] and the libdb-4.2.so munging === zoot_ [n=zoot@rrba-146-117-118.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:08] we don't have time to deal with any unexpected problems caused by a general fetch-and-build update any more, I'm afraid [02:08] Kamion: reupload as ubuuntu3 or ubuntu4? [02:08] ubuntu4, please [02:10] doko: I unpacked the i386 libdb-4.2.so, put it into /usr/lib32, called ldconfig, but no change - did I forget anything? [02:10] \sh: ISH? [02:11] devid: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+tickets [02:13] seb128: in oem, you have to reboot to be able to log in, that's intended [02:13] pitti: how so? [02:13] pitti: beeing pushed to a gdm screen asking for a login with no login available is intended? That's plainly wrong ... [02:14] pitti: that was the thing, that did work for me. please call: strace32 -e trace=open -EGTK_PATH=/usr/lib32/gtk-2.0 -ELD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib32/libpangohack.so.0.0 /usr/lib/openoffice2/program/soffice.bin.real [02:14] seb128: the intention is that the OEM installs the system, does a check, shuts down, and at next reboot, the user will register his account [02:14] fabbione: you tried autoresizing - does that only work with vfat? I never got this alternative offerered [02:14] pitti: right, but it didn't reboot, it jumped on the gdm login screen [02:15] seb128: right, that should be improved [02:15] pitti: i did try with ext3.. i got it in partman === nomed [n=debaser@host126-61.pool8250.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:15] pitti: do you have some free space? [02:15] pitti: updated ia32-libs on p.u.c/~doko [02:15] ogra: in oem-hwdb mode I get "network test", under it "is your *mouse* working properly" and then it hangs (I don't have a network setup) [02:15] seb128: on my hd? yes === mpt [n=mpt@201-27-7-139.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:15] i'm trying breezy .. it seems /etc/hal/device.d is not present ...where should i put my old hald scripts? [02:15] pitti: that's probably why you don't get the option [02:16] mvo: exactly the same here [02:16] fabbione: ok, thanks. I only have reiserfs, vfat, and xfs partitions [02:16] mvo: then cancel and welcome to gdm with no login :p [02:16] doko: where is strace32? [02:16] pitti: i did try ext3 because it was there [02:16] mvo, hmm, i never tested in oem mode... [02:16] seb128: hrm :/ [02:16] ogra: confirmed, for me too [02:16] ogra: is there a way to cancel the the network test? [02:16] ogra: and the sound check is broken [02:16] yeah, no sound here neither [02:16] f*ck [02:17] pitti: copy from i386 [02:17] during the eom mode [02:17] works fine once on the desktop [02:18] Kamion: is pkgsel run before the timezone question? [02:18] pitti: help works for me [02:18] doko, I try your package [02:18] seb128: why free space? [02:18] ogra: anything I can kill to cancel the network test? [02:18] mvo: fping? [02:19] ogra: didnt you use fping? [02:19] pitti: no need to autoresize if you have an available partition [02:19] dholbach, yup, its a dependency [02:19] pitti: just a random guess [02:19] dholbach: thanks, but looks like it's not runing [02:19] seb128: ah, no, everything is already partitioned [02:20] mvo: gets called in the code though [02:20] dholbach: haven't seen it in ps ax :/ [02:20] mvo: :-( [02:20] doko: I installed your new ia32-libs, start OO.o, no help [02:21] dholbach: the network tab just breaks, it has no "next" button and a label about the mouse [02:21] doko: ah, -help-en-us is not installed [02:21] pitti: works for me on two different installations ... [02:21] pitti !!! [02:21] :) [02:21] doko: l-support-en is not installed in expert more as it seems [02:21] doko: ok, confirmed, works now === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:23] mvo: in your amd64/expert installation, was l-support-en installed? === jsg_ [n=jsg@202.138.169.212] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:23] mvo: for me it's not, but I don't regard it as blocker for expert [02:24] pitti: I'm going to test that next [02:24] mvo: no, pkgsel runs long after, in the second stage [02:25] mvo: you marked OO-o failure, so you just didn't check the reason? [02:25] seb128: login 'oem' with the password you selected in the first stage [02:25] seb128: that stuff was changed too late to be able to add UI for it [02:25] mvo: would be nice to confirm that from a second person [02:26] pitti: I didn't check the reason, no [02:26] seb128: it should be in the release notes; I'll fix that [02:27] Kamion: thanks === Skid [i=cm@unaffiliated/skid] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:32] i'll rush out for some fresh air and something to eat, brb [02:32] seb128: done [02:33] pitti: you don't get autoresize offered if sufficient numbers of partitions won't fit in your partition table [02:33] pitti: this is not uncommon with PC partition tables because they suck === Danten [n=danten@h132n2c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #Ubuntu-devel [02:33] <\sh> maswan: 2nd biggest cable tv provider in germany :) [02:34] pitti: we attempt to offer autoresize on swap/ext2/ext3/fat32/ntfs at the moment; can probably extend that to reiserfs/xfs in future [02:34] oh, and hfs/hfsplus [02:34] Kamion: yes, that sounds reasonable; I have three primary partitions on hda, and four on hdb === nomed [n=debaser@host126-61.pool8250.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [02:35] (hdc actually, but doesn't matter) [02:35] I'll play around with it, though [02:35] Kamion: Did automounting ntfs partitions ever get fixed? [02:36] Kamion: the notification comes up when I install internal clock not UTC, the ctime of the notification message is almost 2h newer than the time writen into the hooks_seen file [02:36] mjg59: yeah, partman-basicfilesystems 32ubuntu2, five days ago [02:37] Kamion: Rock, thanks [02:37] bah, resolvconf is soo broken... [02:37] mvo: oh, don't tell me I got the date invocation wrong :( [02:37] pitti: right, need one primary partition for / and somewhere to put a logical partition for swap [02:37] at minimum [02:37] Kamion: I'm looking into it now, after so many test installs my head is spinning a bit, give me some minutes === pitti [n=martin@mail.fbn-dd.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:39] \sh: ah :) === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@re-uva-14.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:41] hey maswan === pitti [n=pitti@mail.fbn-dd.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti goes to debug the grub issue [02:44] doko: ia32-libs approved [02:44] thanks for that === pitti asks himself why language-support-en is not installed on ppc [02:45] pitti: just did see, that I missed openoffice.org2-help-nl. breezy-updates ... [02:48] <\sh> wooo....hoary -> breezy upgrade on another nc6000 with {ubuntu,kubuntu}-desktop went really smooth... === rob_ [n=rob@dsl-202-52-55-156.qld.veridas.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:51] ah, autoresize worked great this time [02:52] hard time accessing cdimage === moyogo [n=moyogo@41pc104.ucu-vb.uu.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === skyrider [n=skyrider@ATS3.cg.ukrtel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:53] elmo? === infinity reboots to test an installation on the laptop. === dereks__ [n=dereks@66.9.7.66] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:56] xhaker : Can I help? [02:57] just wondering why i can't access cdimage.ubuntu.com [02:58] xhaker: what protocol? [02:59] simple http [02:59] works from here [02:59] wait. i'll try again [02:59] connection re [02:59] reseted [02:59] so it seems it's being hammered? [03:00] day before release, not surprising [03:00] xhaker: it must be something between you and cdimage === bacam [n=bacam@85.119.113.6] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:00] works fine here [03:00] Kamion: we are actually doing less traffic than usual (according to an italian isp) [03:00] must be my university then [03:00] because mirrors are all in sync [03:01] and few uploads [03:01] oh..talking about mirrors [03:01] how would i go about making a mirror on my university? === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D3C76.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:01] xhaker : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive?highlight=%28mirror%29 has the details [03:02] if i can get them to mirror the isos, or the archives.. do i need any permission from you? [03:02] You do not need permission. [03:02] thanks [03:02] another thing.. is the daily image still 12.1? [03:02] Kamion: I'm on it: before apt-setup, there is /target/sys, /target/proc, and /target/media/cdrom0 mounted [03:03] Kamion: after apt-setup detected and added the CD source, this is still true [03:03] xhaker: yes === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-19-187-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:03] Kamion: but then it asks me for net sources, adds them, and afterwards all bind mounts are gone [03:03] is anyone else having issues with the update-notifier package? [03:03] 404 not found? === thesaltydog [n=yoshi@host194-61.pool8023.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:04] Kamion: I have the set -x output, I'll copy it to another hd partition and will send it to you once my desktop has network back [03:04] mvo: did you add apt network sources in expert mode? === bddebian [n=bddebian@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:05] Hello === njre [n=njre@host-212-158-232-171.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:05] Kamion: shall I try anything? I can add back the bind mounts and execute something manually if you want [03:06] pitti: not sure, what was your setting [03:06] ? [03:06] pitti: set -x output will do for now === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:07] fabbione: hi, sorry, we didn't get around to swapping disks. Hopefully RSN. [03:07] mvo: see above; the bind mounts disappear when I add network sources [03:07] maswan: no problem :) main is all done ;) === lllmanulll [n=lllmanul@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sanpera [n=sanpera@157.182.195.191] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^ [n=j@gw.bootlab.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dunerecords [n=johannes@p54990A0B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:16] will you rebuild an image today for testing? it looks like 12.1 is already well tested from what fabbione said === Oculus [n=bastian@p548D3C76.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:18] xhaker: yees [03:18] er, yes [03:19] if nothing else, 12.1 says "Release Candidate", we can't release it like that :) [03:19] Is anyone here a canonical guru involved marginally with PR? [03:19] Kamion.. i meant for testing [03:19] not release [03:19] xhaker: yes, so did I [03:20] Kamion: what do you think about http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3011 ? [03:20] we need to test the final image, we can't just rebuild and release [03:20] ohh [03:20] :) [03:20] any ETA? [03:20] xhaker: no [03:21] mvo: hmm, I think it's post-breezy [03:21] mvo: thanks for the fix though, we can roll it in first thing in dapper === ajmitch hopes there's enough time to get this moodle security upload in [03:21] pitti: moodle in universe has security holes, want me to lookup CANs & put them in changelog? [03:22] mvo: (I've applied it to my local copy) [03:22] ajmitch: sure [03:22] ok, google found it :) [03:22] Kamion: thanks, it now uses the ctime of the hook as initial timevalue, that shouldn't lead to any problem (at least I can't think of any) [03:23] yeah, I think the problem is probably minor enough that we can get away with it as a known issue [03:24] mvo, Kamion: I described everything in #17637 [03:25] pitti: thanks, I just rebootet to test (wanted to figure the notification issue first) [03:27] <\sh> ajmitch: wanna do the phpmyadmin security upload, too? :) [03:27] <\sh> grmpf...brb [03:27] The amd64-k8-smp kernel oopses for me (#17636) Where can I find older versions to test with? [03:27] \sh: erm, what's the hole there? === hunger [n=hunger@p54A63715.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:28] since pitti uploaded it awhile ago [03:28] Kamion: hmm, ia32-libs did FTFBS on ia64, cannot fetch the changelog yet === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:29] doko: aargh [03:29] s/changelog/build log/ [03:29] elmo: could you please add pvm (sid) to your sync list? [03:33] dholbach: No, you have to stand in line too ;-) === ubuntugeek [n=ubuntuge@molokai.xlogicgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:33] dpkg-deb: failed to open package info file `debian/lib32z1/DEBIAN/control' for reading: No such file or directory [03:33] dh_builddeb: command returned error code 512 [03:33] doko: ^-- [03:34] doko: 1.4ubuntu2 failed too, we'll ignore this === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:34] the last version to succeed was 0.5ubuntu6 [03:34] and that didn't make it to the archive [03:34] ia32-libs | 0.5ubuntu3 | breezy | ia64 [03:35] hmm, the fix looks simple however === hno73 [n=henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:36] doko: it's post-breezy === hno73 [n=hno73@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:42] Kamion: vim is acting strange in the install. I choose "edit sources.list by hand (in apt-setup)" [03:43] mvo: #6627 [03:43] best solved by disabling the editor option, I suspect [03:43] (but only in the first stage) [03:43] Kamion: ok, thanks === enrico_ is now known as enrico === CaiN_SA [n=cain@rrba-146-71-178.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:46] pitti: I can reproduce the hang now too (after adding the network sources) [03:46] mvo: see my bug report [03:46] I need the log file before looking at it [03:48] Kamion: my desktop install finsihed 30 seconds ago, I'm at the phone, I'll attach it ASAP [03:48] ok [03:48] I'll be off testing the powerpc install for a while to see if I can duplicate this oo.o2-help-en-us thing === camilotelles [n=Camilo@20132203203.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:50] amd64 dvd memtest gives million rows of "0104" [03:50] will check with amd64 cd [03:50] same [03:53] same for live :/ [03:54] dholbach: amd64 memtest gives me "Loading...." here (nothing more) [03:54] hrm [03:54] will try on i386 [03:54] i386 dvd gives me 4000, but in a slower rate [03:54] dholbach: i386 just gave me the same result (but 6 times "Loading....") [03:55] on two different machine with two different cds :/ === xhaker [i=xhaker@213.201.220.244] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:56] <\sh> later guys === bslima [n=bruno@201009232184.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:57] hi again === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-167-38.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:57] dholbach, mvo: I'll look, but if you can try to figure out what's up, that would be great [03:57] this used to work === stianj [n=stianj@buick.jordet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:58] mvo: hi [03:58] i'll look [03:58] hi zyga [03:58] mvo: problems with update-manager? === slomo_ is now known as slomo [03:58] zyga: I hope not, why do you ask? [03:59] mvo: are you still in the installer? I can't find my log, I must have put it on a partition that was overwritten [03:59] mvo: ah, some people on u-translators have noticed a regression in translations === sanpera [n=sanpera@157.182.195.191] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chmj [n=chmj@wbs-146-157-70.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:00] zyga: I'm not aware of this, it should be a rosetta thing I imagine? [04:01] mvo: yes something murky is still happening [04:01] I'm fairly sure I tested memtest86+ since the last sync [04:02] mvo: okay back to work - I'll be out of your way untill dapper [04:02] Kamion: it works fine after the install, it seem to be broken when run from the cd [04:03] whoa, DVD drive goes CHUNKCHUNKCHUNKCHUNKCHUNKCHUNKCHUNKCHUNK when I boot memtest [04:03] mine didnt [04:03] Kamion: nice way to describe the sound :) [04:03] hehe [04:04] That's what my HD sounded like last night before it died completely :'-( [04:04] Kamion: lol :'-) [04:04] Kamion: freeloading tray, or a laptop tray? Thats normally unbalanced cd's or some such [04:05] johnm: no, the disc is fine and boots normally otherwise [04:05] tray's fine too [04:05] Kamion: btw.. gold star for the sound->text :) [04:05] Kamion: I blame electromagnetic solar interference. === mvo goes to get some food === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:07] mvo: back so soon? [04:07] zyga: nah, just needed to switch network connection [04:08] it's printing 8000 repeatedly for me on amd64/install [04:10] i had 0104 on all amd64 disks and 4000 on all i386 disks === mvo rsyncs the dvd [04:10] mvo was lucky, he even got a "Loading" test [04:10] text === j^ [n=j@gw.bootlab.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:12] arg, x cashes again after suspend [04:12] XV [04:12] i830m [04:13] it did not do this for some time now [04:13] could this be a regression in 6.8.2-77 === pitti [n=pitti@mail.fbn-dd.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:14] mvo: got thrown out again, but in case you said something: I recovered the log now (forgot to umount last time) [04:14] pitti: ok, I rebooted since then [04:15] launchpad.net is down ? [04:16] bslima: looks ok here [04:17] trying to Save & Continue in translation and all i get is Programming Error [04:17] Argh. [04:17] bslima: #launchpad would be a better place to ask about that [04:17] So, am I the only person who's noticed that hibernate just plai ndoesn't work anymore? [04:17] infinity: WFM [04:18] jbailey : Did you try on a fresh install? [04:18] From abvout a week ago [04:19] I get "reading image ... done" "suspend= needs to be in your command line"... And yes, it IS specified in initramfs.conf, and yes I regenerated my initrd and tried again, for paranoia's sake. [04:19] Try with today's image. Humour me. === ssam [n=ssam@88-104-128-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kamion reads memtest86+/FAQ [04:19] Unpack the file [04:19] from the package and rename it to an 8.3 filename with an extension other [04:19] than .bin [04:19] oh, bugger === Kamion bets that's the problem [04:20] did the file name change in the meantime? [04:20] (because as you said... it used to work) [04:20] I changed it a while back to fix isolinux problems, but I think it always had .bin === mpt [n=mpt@201-27-7-139.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-devel ["http://mpt.net.nz/"] [04:20] however, not sure, and it's worth pursuing [04:21] jbailey : Interestingly enough, on my "ripe" installation, it doesn't work anymore either (though it used to), so it's not just new installs. [04:21] if s/\.bin// fixes it, I can do that very quickly in debian-cd [04:21] cool [04:21] s/\.bin/\.tst/ or something. [04:21] If it really wants the .3 [04:21] nah, the FAQ suggests dropping the extension altogether === eruin [n=eruin@unaffiliated/eruin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@194-152-207-207.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:24] Kamion : What editor is invoked in the "edit sources.list by hand" step in expert? === pitti [n=pitti@mail.fbn-dd.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:24] infinity: it's vim, but the bug about it is known [04:25] Kamion : Whatever it is (well, it was /usr/bin/editor, apparently, but not sure what that would really be), it looked vi-like, and it also didn't work. [04:25] jdub: ping [04:25] mvo : Oh, okay. Cool. === tritium [n=rimbert@mip-lab4.ecn.purdue.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:25] I had to kill it, use nano, then run apt-get update in the chroot. [04:25] \o/ [04:25] infinity: I noticed it a bit earlier, don't have the bugnumer in scrollback anymore, sorry [04:25] I assume vim + boglterm = death? [04:25] ivoks: pong [04:26] jdub: could you, please, add me to planet? :) [04:26] Well, other than known bugs, then, my only bug is hibernate. I should look into that and see if it's simple breakage, or something to live with for 6 months. [04:26] ivoks: you're in the config, but it hasn't been updated [04:26] mvo : Did you test hibernate on any of your installs? [04:27] jdub: ? [04:27] infinity: no, doing that now [04:27] hm.. [04:27] ivoks: hrm, actually, no you're not [04:27] :) [04:27] and i can't see an email with a planet addition requesti from you [04:28] If it's only failing on my laptop, that'd be some kinda special. [04:28] But I can also deal. [04:28] jdub: i didn't send any request [04:28] ivoks: aha, there you go [04:28] jdub: i talked only with you about that [04:28] ivoks: please send your feed url to me via email [04:29] ok [04:29] did anyone try amd64-dvd-install yet? === mvo still waits for the rsync [04:31] infinity: works here === robtaylor [n=rob@nat5.sesnet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:31] dholbach: yes, life works fine, install as well [04:31] infinity: on my i386 test-system at least === lamont__ [n=lamont@15.238.7.65] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:32] doko: ok, then it was just a bad burn, it broke spectactularly for me [04:32] mvo : PATA, SCSI, or SATA? [04:32] mvo : I suspect it may only be broken (again) on SATA. [04:35] infinity: PATA, I have a SATA system here to test (but it sync the amd64 dvd right now, so I have to test later) === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:36] Hang on, just let me get grub back on this system [04:36] I always find the "failed to initialize HAL!" message a bit disturbing. [04:36] dholbach, mvo: memtest86+ fixed; thanks for the report [04:36] Kamion: chance of seeing you at the formal hall tonight, score from 1 to 10? [04:36] jbailey: when did yo see this? [04:36] jdub: 0 [04:36] Kamion: de rien [04:36] jdub: meeting you at the pub afterwards [04:36] But he'll be along later [04:36] pitti: A couple seconds ago on an i386 live CD [04:37] Kamion: ok, rad. [04:37] pitti: It's still on my screen, I was just digging for the install report instructions. [04:37] jbailey: hm, WFM - can you please try to run "sudo hald --verbose=yes --daemon=no" to find where it crashes? [04:37] jbailey: just on a hunch, can you check that /sbin/start-stop-daemon isn't the dummy version? [04:37] jbailey: maybe it also was never started in the first place [04:37] I saw that the other day and still don't know quite why, but it might have been an artifact of other problems [04:38] Hey what is sabdfl doing sending out an e-mail to vote for mjg59 when we can't even do it yet.. :-) [04:38] Kamion: It seems to be a binary file. Is the dummy one a shell script? Otherwise, how do I tell? [04:38] jbailey: it's not the dummy one then [04:38] yes, the dummy one is a shell script [04:39] bah, brb [04:39] pitti: I did see a /dev/mem permission denied fly past. [04:43] mvo : Alright, mjg59 can't reproduce it either, so I'm going to assume I'm just special, and investigate it post-release. [04:44] mvo : Weird corner-case "only Adam is affected" bugs hardly seem critical. [04:44] infinity: You are definetly special ;-P [04:44] come back, pitti, I want to talk to you === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-220-92.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:46] jdub: chief refrigeration engineer!! [04:46] Ooh, it's raining [04:46] jdub: i'd like to run the stars of the universe tonite. but i can't for the life of me figure out how to inline screenshots. [04:47] Stars of the Universe? [04:47] just an overview of cool stuff in universe [04:47] for the fridge [04:47] Ahh, cool [04:47] and cool people in universe :) [04:48] whiprush: can't do atm, other than using [04:48] Oh so \sh, slomo, dholbach, ajmitch, etc :-) [04:48] k [04:48] bddebian: and you [04:48] pfft === pitti [n=pitti@mail.fbn-dd.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sanpera [n=sanpera@157.182.195.191] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:50] jdub: would you be opposed to putting that story on the wiki then and just linking it? It kind of really needs screenshots. [04:50] jbailey: /dev/mem should be inaccessible to hal, that's fine === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487F7F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:50] jbailey: did the hal process stop or did it stay running? === Keybuk [n=scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:52] pitti: It stayes running. I hit C-c, though to clear away the terminal [04:52] pitti: right, so apparently you answered "yes" to the "Add another apt source" question, when the default is "no" [04:52] the bug appears to only trigger in that circumstance [04:52] Kamion: yes, right [04:53] Kamion: but default install does add network sources - it does that differently? [04:53] pitti: yeah [04:53] jbailey: hm, so it is unlikely that it died when it was called by dbus at boot [04:53] it's a fabbione special [04:53] pitti: Anything I can do to check it? [04:54] we're ditching the current apt-setup and moving to a version specially written for use in d-i in dapper [04:54] until then I think we'll just live with it - it's too complex to fix in a rush :( [04:54] jbailey: on the live CD it's hard since you can't alter the boot sequence [04:54] Kamion: I agree [04:54] Kamion: but at least we know the reason now [04:54] pitti: Does it use initramfs? Can I issue a break to stop in that and climb in somehow? [04:55] jbailey: I doubt; dbus is started from normal init script, and hal from dbus [04:55] jbailey: at boot you could watch out for the dbus and hal messge, though [04:56] morning [04:56] pitti: yep, glad about that [04:56] morning matt [04:56] pitti: just this powerpc oo.o2-help issue now [04:56] how do we look? [04:56] mdz: what I just said to pitti, basically [04:56] mdz: pretty good [04:56] Kamion: what's the issue? [04:56] oo.o2-help-en-us isn't getting installed on powerpc, as yet undiagnosed [04:57] I'm about to boot and try it out === buga [n=burjang@csomalin.csoma.elte.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:58] morning mdz [04:58] Hi mdz === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@DSL01.83.171.164.220.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:58] hi mdz [04:58] Kamion: actually, language-support-en is not installed [04:59] mdz: other than that, not bad - rebuilt livefses for acpi-support and ia32-libs bugs, everything else deferred unless it can be fixed easily in CD builds [04:59] mdz: dholbach and mvo caught a broken memtest installation on the CD, fixed [04:59] mdz: we updated the BreezyTestPlan page eagerly [04:59] I asked for a phone call if showstoppers were found [05:00] darn, brb [05:01] mdz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyTestPlanServer <- === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@67.15.185.40] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:02] fabbione, Kamion: installed nicely on amd64, just doing some basic testing === sebest__ [n=sebest@131.245.101-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:03] mdz: I'm sorry, I clearly missed that in scrollback :-( [05:04] also, CONF.sh still said Release Candidate at last build (updated now) and dists/breezy/Release needs to say "Ubuntu Breezy 5.10" likewise before final builds [05:05] Kamion: you weren't up yet, but fabbione and pitti certainly were [05:06] mdz: yes, but it's all undercontrol and the OO2 is fixed already. it only needs propagation [05:06] mdz: so it's not so bad as it seems.. instead the tests look pretty good [05:06] er, it is? the ia32-libs fix only affects amd64; pitti reported lots of failures on powerpc [05:06] fabbione: yes, but it was a showstopper and I was explicit [05:06] oh ppc.. [05:06] Kamion: missed the ppc bit... [05:07] ubuntu-desktop on powerpc doesn't depend on language-support-en either [05:07] and so it shouldn't === pitti [n=pitti@mail.fbn-dd.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:07] base-config installs l-s-* separately [05:08] ah, yes, only live [05:08] I thought we just added that to desktop ages ago [05:08] nah, I made archive-copier/base-config always install en [05:08] mdz: good luck [05:08] I'm trying to reproduce the failure now [05:11] the oo.o2 help seems to work fine in my powerpc install from last night [05:11] hmm [05:11] which was a plain english/us install [05:11] mdz: hm, then I did something different - did you install with network? [05:11] pitti: was this a German install? [05:11] Kamion: yes, German without net [05:11] pitti: please mention these little details === Kamion reboots [05:12] ok, sorry [05:12] pitti: that one had network, I believe [05:12] it'll certainly only affect non-networked installs [05:12] pitti: so it's language-support-de which was missing? [05:12] well, likely [05:12] mdz: no, -en [05:12] mdz: -de is not on the CDs, and not essential [05:13] mdz: but l-support-en depends on ooo-help-en-us, which makes ooo help work [05:13] after installing it manually, it worked fine [05:13] pitti: oo.o2-help-de should make it work, too, of course [05:13] right [05:13] it's possible language-support-de was out of date on de.archive.ubuntu.com at the time of the install [05:13] mdz: l-support-en and the help package are even on the CD, jsut not installed [05:13] that explains oo.o2-help-de not being there, but not oo.o2-help-en-us [05:13] Kamion: btw, we talk about -en, which is on the CD (just to make sure) [05:14] oh, of course, non-networked, so it won't have been able to grab -de [05:14] pitti: yep [05:14] yes [05:14] Kamion: could it be that base-config doesn't attempt -en if -de is to be installed? [05:14] I don't think this is a showstopper, as described [05:14] but I'll test it to make sure [05:15] Kamion: see. i was right.. ppc was ok :P [05:15] fabbione: anything's possible, but that's not what the code's supposed to do ... [05:15] Hey folks, I don't know if it's an issue or not but last night I was re-installing on my thinkpad and my install died (bad CD I think) so I tried to update manually and metacity and thunderbird want to remove themselves but fail on postrm [05:15] well, installation without network should work [05:15] pitti: I'm not disagreeing it's a bug [05:15] bddebian : postrm bugs aren't particularly release critical at this stage, but filing bugs never hurt anyone. [05:16] infinity: OK, thx [05:16] Except that I can't get the damn things to remove even with --force [05:16] No amount of forcing will fix a broken postrm, only editing /var/lib/dpkg/info/${package}.postrm will do it for you. [05:17] Doh [05:17] But, odds are, you're in a special case group where "it broken because other stuff broke first" [05:17] Aye [05:17] unless it's dpkg --force-dont-run-maintainer-scripts or whatever it is [05:17] dpkg could dow ith an option not to run postrm [05:17] or prerm, etc [05:17] Anyhow, file a bug with the output and wtf appears to be wrong, postrm shouldn't fail even if the package is hideously broken, so it's a bug, just not a critical one. [05:17] Lathiat: So fix it ;-) [05:18] there's a lot of kernel output messages on these CDs. I'm sure that didn't happen in breezy [05:18] in hoary rather [05:18] infinity: Will do when I get home, I can't get to the machine from work since I couldn't install ssh because of it :-) [05:18] You can certainly install packages even in the presence of a broken postrm. You might have to resort to dpkg rather than apt. [05:20] pitti: could you 'echo GET localechooser/supported-locales' on the system that failed to install language-support-en, please? === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:21] Riddell: if you are referring to the [$lotsofnumbers] it's wanted and on purpose [05:22] Kamion: hm, I only saved the log files from that system; I need to reinstall it (takes ~ 45 minutes) [05:22] fabbione: what's the purpose? [05:22] pitti: does that include /var/log/installer/cdebconf/? === wasabi_ [n=wasabi@207.55.180.100] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:22] pitti: if so, questions.dat from there will do fine [05:22] Kamion: yes [05:23] Riddell: be able to trace async kernel events that leads to crash and track it back to the real order of events. [05:23] Riddell: and no.. it's not a boot option [05:23] hi fabbione :) [05:23] you're joining us harer, aren't you`http://www.montrealcam.com/en-biodome.html [05:24] Kamion: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/shots/questions.dat === blueyed [n=daniel@iD4CC01BA.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:24] Kamion: Aye, it was 1:00am so I wasn't thinking well :-( === Dantis [n=danten@h51n14c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #Ubuntu-devel [05:24] Simza: hey [05:24] hm, when did I reconnect.. [05:24] fabbione: ok, sounds useful :) === Simza is now known as Simira [05:24] pitti: hm, looks fine [05:25] Kamion: I said "no" to "download language support", but I thought that only referred to l-support-de === sanpera [n=sanpera@157.182.45.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:25] Simira: i guess so... [05:26] pitti: ah, now the penny drops [05:26] pitti: that's the bug - saying no there affects -en too === zoot_ [n=zoot@rrba-146-115-219.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:26] Kamion: aah [05:27] pitti: TADADA [05:27] pitti: if you answer yes, it should be harmless (install won't break due to that just because you have no network, AFAIK) and you'll get l-s-en [05:27] definitely a bug, but not a showstopper because there's a workaround [05:29] Kamion: ok, since it said "download" I always said "no" since I can't download [05:29] alright, great [05:29] so if we get the new ia32-libs, everything should be fine? or are there any open issues left? [05:29] I assume we can't fix hwdb-client [05:30] yeah; perhaps we should have just put oo.o2-help-en-us in desktop since it's more essential than the rest of language support [05:30] but too late now [05:30] I know of no other open issues, beyond the need for a CD rebuild in about ten minutes to fix the labelling [05:30] pitti, in oem mode ? i didnt even know it had a versio there === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:30] ogra: the OEM installer's "system test" is hwdb-client [05:31] oh [05:31] seemed about as good as anything else [05:31] pitti: what's the hwdb-client problem? [05:31] Kamion: sound test is broken, and network test hangs when there is no network [05:31] do you have fping in this mode ? it uses fping to get the replys [05:31] pitti: bug, but not showstopper [05:31] but in the latter case you can kill the X server to continue [05:32] right [05:32] ogra: we install hwdb-client and its dependencies [05:32] ogra: hwdb sound check works fine in normal system - what do you use? aplay? [05:32] else i'm not sure why it shows the network test at all, since it should skip it if no defaultroute is available [05:32] pitti, a gnome function... [05:33] ... which in turn uses esd maybe? [05:33] ogra: GNOME isn't started at this point [05:33] we just fire up hwdb-client in a custom display manager [05:33] pitti, which in turn uses what gnome uses [05:33] ogra: ok, that explains it - maybe use aplay then? [05:33] Kamion, ahh, that explains it.. [05:33] is aplay always available ? [05:33] ogra: if you need something, depend on it ... [05:34] ogra: should be [05:34] anyway, this is all post-breezy [05:34] Kamion, i depend on python-gnome2 iirc [05:34] Kamion: if we're going to rebuild anyway, is there a safe fix for the l-s-en issue? [05:34] mdz: we could seed l-s-en to the desktop seed, no? [05:34] erm, maybe only ooo help [05:34] pitti: we could, but that's intrusive [05:35] otherwise, let's just forget about it === lizard0 [n=lizardo@200-230-129-198-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:35] mdz: everything that doesn't touch desktop that I can think of carries a risk of breaking server installs [05:35] server installs preseed that archive-copier question to make sure language-support-* isn't installed [05:35] so this affects non-English, non-networked installs? or all non-networked installs? [05:36] all non-networked installs where you answer "no" to that question [05:36] (the default is "yes") [05:37] oh, in fact, that means only non-English installs, because that question isn't shown in English installs [05:37] for dapper, it should not offer the question in the first place when installing without network === mxpxpod [n=BryanFor@unaffiliated/mxpxpod] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:37] we can't reword the question because it's translated and shown in all non-English installs [05:37] Kamion: isn't possible to just hide the question? [05:37] but that's not too bad for breezy now IMHO === jdthood [n=jdthood@x104.decis.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:37] Kamion: what's the text of the question? [05:38] fabbione: no, the question is there because it downloads lots of stuff, and if you're doing only two or three installs at the same time it really canes your network [05:38] _Description: Download language support? [05:38] The installation CD does not contain full support for your language. Do you [05:38] want to download the required packages from the Internet? [05:38] it's been there since hoary [05:38] and it asks this question even if no Internet connection is available? [05:38] yes [05:38] yes, archive-copier doesn't know [05:38] that's why I said "no" in the first place [05:38] and the first-stage network might be broken [05:39] (e.g. ath0) [05:39] the natural response will be to say no if the network is unavailable [05:39] I'm trying to think of a safe fix [05:39] Kamion: would seeding ooo-help-en-us to desktop be too intrusive? [05:39] I thought l-s-en was part of desktop [05:40] pitti: well, mdz said above that it was [05:40] that's certainly the safest fix [05:40] pitti: it also doesn't solve the problem [05:40] it's language-support-en which is missing [05:40] that contains other important English stuff [05:40] yeah, it solves the most obvious manifestation though [05:40] mdz: but non-english installs won't miss them [05:41] mdz: l-support-en does not need to be installed by default on non-english systems in the first place (I always kill it) [05:41] what's the post-install workaround? can this be corrected with language-selector? [05:41] I can possibly hack base-config and debian-cd in tandem [05:42] mdz: if you select English input help in l-selector, it should work (as any other language should, too) [05:42] fwiw, the underlying bug has I think been there since hoary [05:43] that's easy enough to test [05:43] pitti: could you repeat your test with hoary and verify? [05:43] mdz: sure [05:43] if it's a hoary bug that no one has reported in 6 months then it's not a showstopper [05:43] it may not be anyway, but it certainly is a wart [05:44] mdz: hmm, one safe fix would be to munge the Ubuntu preseed file to install language-support-en with desktop [05:44] possibly Kubuntu and Edubuntu too, but inclined to leave those alone if we can't test them in time [05:45] I can test [05:45] that will be faster, too, since it doesn't require an upload [05:45] hm, although Ubuntu proper doesn't actually have a preseed file right now; it would be better to upload base-config with a new default [05:45] (less intrusive to people doing custom work) [05:46] Kamion: can I test this with hoary without doing a full install? it lasts forever on an iBook [05:46] Kamion: meanwhile, let's build final live CDs [05:46] pitti: not any easy way I can think of [05:46] ok [05:46] mdz: building [05:47] pitti: isn't that bug reproducible on all arches given no-net and no-english install? if so you can use anything else than ppc :) [05:47] right [05:47] ok, I use amd64 [05:47] but I have to log off IRC then [05:47] cu later [05:48] OK, I have no patience for installing on a PIII 550Mhz.. :-) === jbailey gives up on OOo2 ever loading on this livecd and reboots. Pentium 3 600 is just too slow for this. === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i577B19D3.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:50] jbailey: Tell me about it :-) [05:51] Template: base-config/package-selection [05:51] Type: string [05:51] -Default: ~tubuntu-standard|~tubuntu-desktop [05:51] +Default: ~tubuntu-standard|~tubuntu-desktop|language-support-en [05:51] Description: preseeded set of packages to install [05:51] mdz: ^-- [05:51] Kamion: any new failure modes you can think of? === pitti [n=pitti@mail.fbn-dd.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:52] jbailey: don't waste you life - it will take most of it :) [05:52] Riddell: to test with Kubuntu, do a normal install (without net and answering no to that question) and, just before you reboot, edit /var/log/debconf-seed and change '~tkubuntu-standard|~tkubuntu-desktop' to '~tkubuntu-standard|~tkubuntu-desktop|language-support-en' === ivoks [n=ivoks@194-152-207-207.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:53] mdz: if language-support-en isn't installable, none of the standard or desktop system will get installed [05:53] mdz: oh, and the progress bar will jump a bit, probably === jerome__ [n=jerome@myreseau.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:54] (because language-support-en will take zero time to install the second time round ...) [05:54] I'm leaning toward leaving it alone at this point [05:54] I'm not sure we have time for another round if something goes wrong === RemoteViewer [n=555@stan.physik.fu-berlin.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:55] we already need to roll a full set of CDs and DVDs and test them all [05:55] we don't do edubuntu DVDs, right? [05:56] mdz, we do [05:56] mdz: before doing any CD builds, please remove mcmurdo.ubuntu.com from ~/.ssh/known_hosts and 'ssh mcmurdo.ubuntu.com', ctrl-c'ing the password prompt [05:56] its essential [05:56] I've done that for myself and cdimage [05:57] Kamion: done [05:57] mdz, the CD had only space for -en ... kde langpacks are awfully big (15Mb and more) [05:57] Craptop works. [05:57] mdz: that's my slight inclination too [05:57] Craptop? [05:57] ogra: we barely have support for non-english languages on the ubuntu CD [05:57] at least we know the failure mode here, and it's not *that* bad [05:58] mdz, yes, thats why a edubuntu DVD is important for people without internet access [05:58] ogra: they can only be essential if you can actually test them [05:58] my DVD writer is broken... let me see if i can get a new one until tomorrow... i'll download the DVD iso in any case [05:59] if you can't test it, find somebody you trust to delegate it to [06:00] yup === fabbione needs some food [06:00] me too [06:01] and i'll get a bunch of new DVDs (as i take it, i'll need them) [06:01] dholbach: I bought 10 DVD+RW and they have lasted the entire lifetime of Ubuntu === thoreauputic_ [n=prospero@wolax7-036.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:02] mdz: i got CD+RW, but didnt manage to get hold of DVD+RWs, so i burned away all my DVD+Rs [06:02] dholbach, i have 10 lying around... come over and pick them up :P [06:03] anyway, i'll be off to get some and get some food as well, brb === Lathiat finds that CDs, at 20c each are a much better option that cdrws at $1+ each and having to wait *ages* for them to erase [06:03] mine erase quite well... [06:03] Lathiat: Occasional stretch breaks are good. =) [06:03] and i use the same media since hoary for hoary, breezy and edubuntu testing [06:03] jbailey: heh [06:04] kamion: the second stage of installation is not translated to pt_BR, but those strings were translated in Rosetta [06:05] segfault: those strings are not subject to language packs and need to be imported into the apt package [06:05] segfault: I do not know what translations were imported before release [06:06] i sent to mvo, iirc [06:06] I just bought 200 CD-Rs instead, for about 10p [06:06] mdz, have you seen ThinClientHowto ? it has some weird additions [06:06] ogra: no [06:07] editing hosts.allow etc... [06:07] segfault: I probably only imported them into rosetta [06:07] mvo: :( [06:07] IIRC thery where after the non-langpack translation freeze, sorry :/ [06:08] mdz, and wasnt a hint to run ltsp-update-sshkeys in there before (in case the key isnt populated to the chroot) ? [06:08] mvo: you said i had one day, heh [06:08] segfault: I'm afraid it definitely wasn't updated in the package [06:08] it is too late to fix it now for breezy [06:09] ogra: no, ltsp-update-sshkeys is automatically run by -build-client [06:09] segfault: wasn't that the mail with the missing attachment ;) ? [06:09] mdz, i know, but i thought there was a sentence before... [06:09] pitti: hal error didn't reproduce on reboot. [06:09] (or am I confusing you now with someone else) === ogra looks at the doc histroy [06:09] mdz: daily-live updated === jgorski [n=ubuntu@xpc-060.gaul.csd.uwo.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:09] mdz, Kamion: ok, install finished [06:09] mvo: yeah, that with missing attach i sent 27/09, then i sent another one in 28/09 === Kamion rebuilds install CDs [06:09] mdz, Kamion: l-support-en is not installed either, but OO.o help WORKS [06:10] pitti: hoary? [06:10] mdz, Kamion: (with hoary/amd64 networkless no download) [06:10] and the nonlangpack freeze was in 29/09 [06:10] OO.o help was naturally handled in a completely different way in hoary [06:10] right, probably integrated into the main packages, or so [06:10] doko might know it [06:11] segfault: sorry, it looks like it got lost then. it is part of the installed system though (through rosetta) [06:11] segfault: if this had been reported after the release candidate (when we'd fixed things not to strip translations from apt), it's possible we could have fixed it; it's too late now, I'm afraid [06:12] mdz, Kamion: hmm, looking closer: the help browser works, but you do need to install the help packages to make use of it; sorry, didn't look close enough at first [06:12] Kamion: we can live with the l-s-en bug; let's get install CDs and DVDs going [06:12] mdz, Kamion: so no regression [06:12] humm, no problem then [06:12] mdz: they're going [06:12] pitti: ? [06:12] Kamion: thanks [06:12] all passes on i386 for me, and with netboot [06:13] Keybuk: cool, we've been light on pre-release netboot testing [06:13] doko: nevermind [06:13] I did a Kickstart test the other day to make sure that still worked [06:13] Kamion: I always make sure I do, as it's the only way to install stuff on my laptop [06:14] X config still fails on my desktop, but I'm getting increasingly convinced it's a card fault [06:14] as the ATI fglrx driver doesn't think there's any monitors connected! [06:15] maybe it's keyboard? :) [06:15] kickstart has some issues when there allready are some partitions === lizard0 [n=lizardo@200-230-129-198-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Fui] [06:16] installation freezes when one trys to run manual partitioning [06:16] Kamion: fabbione traditionally does netboot testing [06:16] Damn, I can't catch a break. Now this machine at work hangs trying to configure xorg... :'-( [06:17] ivoks: doesn't surprise me; interaction during a Kickstart install can be tricky, particularly in partman [06:17] yup :/ [06:18] i tried interactive since non-interactive didn't work :) [06:18] Kamion: but appart that, kickstart works great with netboot [06:18] i did 60 clients install in one day with it [06:18] mdz: it's already tested for i386 (see wiki) [06:19] Kamion: 99% of my installs are done via netboot [06:19] Kamion: only at release i fire up CD's [06:19] ivoks: cool [06:20] Kamion: only thing that needs love is ldap auth after install :) === chris38-home2 [n=Christia@LSt-Amand-152-31-21-96.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:21] fabbione: where are the netinstall files? [06:22] seb128: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/installer-i386/20050317ubuntu19/images/netboot/ [06:22] change $arch as required [06:23] fabbione: thanks [06:23] np === gbon121 [n=chatzill@151.5.148.94] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:25] seb128: make sure you have tftpd-hpa installed [06:25] not the ordinary tftpd, it doesn't work for netboot [06:25] and you also need a proper dhcpd config [06:25] otherwise it's foobar [06:25] Keybuk: k [06:26] yeah, untar the netboot tarball, and stick "next-server blah; filename pxelinux.0;" in the config for your dhcp === gbon121 [n=chatzill@151.5.148.94] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:27] (where blah is your tftp server) === dunerecords [n=johannes@p54990A0B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:28] Keybuk: yeah i just pasted him the config snippet [06:28] there is one great howto [06:29] http://wiki.koeln.ccc.de/index.php/Ubuntu_PXE_Install === psichron [n=psichron@nomad.eendrag.sun.ac.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:29] you can get a bit used to netbooting though :p I actually seed a couple of extra keybuk-* packages into it, which automatically pull stuff I always want and have postinsts to configure shit :p [06:30] so if I netboot my laptop, once it's done, it already has all the packages I want installed and is ready for me to drop in my home directory [06:30] Keybuk: that's more or less what i do :) [06:30] Keybuk: hehe i did script that does that for me :) [06:31] keybuk-launchpad-devel is a scary package, it rewrites postgresql config and stuff :p [06:31] installs new kernel, compiles openmosix tools, sets up ldap auth, etc :) === chris38-home2 [n=Christia@LSt-Amand-152-31-21-96.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:36] The ppc64 live test that's wanted is just hte ppc image on a ppc64 box, yes? [06:36] I don't see a separate ppc64 image. [06:36] i386/live, powerpc/live, amd64/live OK here [06:36] jbailey: there should be a ppc64 kernel on it [06:36] jbailey: yes [06:36] jbailey: as fabbione says [06:37] jbailey: boot with live-powerpc64 [06:37] BenC also has ppc64 I believe; has anyone seen him? [06:37] 'k, thanks. === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin_ant [n=marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@mail.fbn-dd.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:47] janimo, you added ubuntu-express to your metapackage ?? [06:48] it's in ubuntu/live too [06:48] heh [06:49] feels a bit like overhead :) === hunger [n=hunger@p54A60612.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:50] Kamion: live CDs are OK here; ping me once there are install CDs to sync === Lenhador [n=Lenhador@200-158-200-41.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:51] Hi! I'm trying to install an "user script" on Greasemonkey/Firefox, on Hoary, but my Firefox break with "segmentation fault"... what's happen? [06:51] how I fix it? [06:52] ogra, I don't bu tI see it's there in both kubuntu/ubuntu [06:52] maybe it's a diffrenece that they are doen on the server? [06:52] I just run update locally [06:52] and d onot use germinate [06:52] ogra, I thought ubuntu-express was postponed so I am suprised to see it there [06:52] yes, and the package you have in there is pretty useless... more a proof of concept than a program === kent [n=kent@h55d210.delphi.afb.lu.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:53] janimo, nice that you pulled xscreensaver in, make sure it gets started in xfsession ... in a sidenote, i tried xubuntu on edubuntu yesterday, its really slick :) [06:55] janimo: did you adjust the seed URL in update to point to your modified seeds? [06:55] look for http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/ === SteveA [n=steve@office.pov.lt] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [06:58] why do we disable power management now by default? [07:00] pitti: why do we what? === elvirolo [n=elvirolo@lns-bzn-3-82-250-90-202.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:01] mdz: I just dist-upgraded, and the new acpi-support disabled power management [07:01] mdz, laptop mode disabled ? [07:01] pitti: what do you mean by 'power management' in this context? [07:01] mdz: well, the package just said so [07:01] * Disabling power management. === Unfrgive1 [n=ankur@202.76.176.94] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:01] I'm sure it is intended, I'm just curious about the reason [07:02] hi all [07:02] mdz, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6108 [07:02] pitti, ^^^ [07:02] ogra: I am familiar with that bug, yes [07:02] thats what was talked about before today in this channel [07:02] pitti: at what point does it print that message? [07:02] ah, thanks [07:03] mdz: after package installation (postinst, I assume) [07:03] oh, no, preinst [07:03] pitti: that is the message from the 'stop' action of the init script [07:03] pitti : Just edit /etc/default/acpi-support and enable laptop-mode, if you know it works for you. [07:03] nothing to do with 6108 or laptop-mode [07:03] It breaks for too many people to have it on by default. [07:03] mdz, [07:03] * Add some extra machines to the whitelists [07:03] nothing to do with 6108 or laptop-mode [07:03] * Depend on powermgmt-base [07:03] * Disable restarting irda services by default [07:03] * Disable laptop-mode by default [07:03] ogra: that has nothing to do with pitti's question or the message he saw [07:03] does anyone know whether the spca5xx bug has been fixed in the last update or not ? [07:03] ogra: trust me, I do read breezy-changes [07:04] Oh, and yes, that message just meant it was stopping/staring on upgrade, I assume. [07:04] mdz, ah, sorry [07:04] infinity: yes, it did not start again [07:04] Neat. [07:04] infinity: so that's the new intended default; fine [07:04] pitti: errr [07:04] I really was just curious [07:04] pitti: no, you should get 'checking battery state' in postinst [07:04] ideas anyone ? [07:04] sorry if I caused confusion [07:04] elvirolo: no [07:04] pitti: I do [07:04] Setting up acpi-support (0.46) ... [07:04] Installing new version of config file /etc/acpi/power.sh ... [07:04] Installing new version of config file /etc/acpi/resume.sh ... [07:04] Installing new version of config file /etc/default/acpi-support ... [07:04] * Checking battery state... [ ok ] [07:04] me too [07:04] pitti: the start/stop messages are quite confusing [07:05] ok [07:05] since they don't correspond to each other [07:05] Kamion, I adjusted the seed url to http://localhost/seeds as I have the branch only locally [07:05] pitti : Right, that's the (rather unintuitive) output from acpi-support starting. [07:05] Kamion: you don't know or you do know it hasn't been fixed ? [07:05] elvirolo: the kernel has been frozen for a week now [07:05] elvirolo: no, it has not been fixed, and in any case the place for tracking bugs is bugzilla, not polling a development channel === AbstracTus [n=einar@x1-6-00-0c-41-36-dc-86.k239.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:05] elvirolo: it has not and cannot be fixed for 5.10 [07:05] OMG, this is an *absolutely critical* bug === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-220-244.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:05] I don't agree [07:06] elvirolo: it's not; it just affects a particular piece of hardware [07:06] the complete system *freezes* whenever one tries to access his/her webcam, even sysreq keys don't work [07:06] it would be better to have *no* support for these webcams rather than a system freeze! [07:06] it's not clear that this affects everyone [07:07] elvirolo: it's absolutelu not critical [07:07] I've just finished an installation of x86 20051012 release in pt_BR, everything worked like a charm. [07:07] those it does affect have a simple fix, they can blacklist the module [07:07] and there's aslo the hp printers' bug [07:07] ogra, yeah xfce is slick but in the current state while better then what we had in hoary there are still rough edges.Many :( [07:07] besides that segond stage typo [07:07] segfault: good, thanks [07:07] k, gotta leave for a while [07:07] segfault: if you could note that on BreezyTestPlan, that'd be good [07:07] cu later [07:07] many people use hp printers, and many comments have been sent in the bugzilla, but nodoby seems to care [07:07] elvirolo: see /topic [07:07] janimo, yes, but its great as a lightweight desktop, i have many requests for this in edubuntu === Danten [n=danten@h51n14c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #Ubuntu-devel [07:08] ok sorry === Sanne [n=Sanne@p548DB7A7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:08] elvirolo: there are always bugs in releases [07:08] elvirolo: I use an HP printer myself, and it works quite nicely [07:08] janimo: ok, well that should work [07:08] janimo, note that we dont support sound yet in ltsp :) [07:08] and some wrong strings inherited after the latest langpack release, there's others relating same stuff in ubuntu-translators [07:08] Keybuk: yes but these have been reported AGES ago [07:08] janimo: are you saying that the stuff filled in by update doesn't correspond to your seeds [07:08] elvirolo: I have open bugs since before warty [07:08] janimo: ? [07:08] well that's very bad [07:08] elvirolo: we don't aim to fix every reported bug within the 6-months; sometimes it takes more than one release to do it [07:09] elvirolo: no, it's not [07:09] that's one of the advantages of a 6-monthly release process, if a bug misses a release it's not that long to the next one [07:09] elvirolo: don't presume to tell me how I'm performing without having checked what the bugs in question *are* [07:09] well, my printer doesn't work, one of my friends' printer doesn't work ... what am I to say ? I can't use Ubuntu anymore! [07:09] they're either less-important or hard [07:09] and she doesn't want to use free software anymore [07:10] elvirolo: do you have patches for this bugs? [07:10] i don't mean to be blaming you, i know you're doing a great job [07:10] Kamion, sorry was away [07:11] i'm just telling that some things are wrong and are a drawback for ubuntu === janimo reads backlog [07:11] there will always be bugs [07:11] yes, we sadly do not have the resources to fix everything [07:11] elvirolo: we're working on putting the release together right now; please take this conversation elsewhere or wait until after the release [07:11] we need to keep this channel clear [07:11] elvirolo: look at the problem like this [07:11] all of you, please [07:11] this is not on-topic right now [07:11] mdz: ok, i'm sorry [07:11] elvirolo: if there is anyone who can fix this, please - step up [07:11] I'm happy to discuss it, just not in the middle of release prep [07:11] yeah i understand [07:12] Kamion, no it corresponds to what I have in the local baz branch of the breezy seed list (I hope) [07:12] elvirolo: if not - then releasing another version is good anyway, it fixes lots of other bugs and brings new features [07:12] it's not the right time [07:12] janimo: ok, great. sorry I haven't got back to you yet, it's just a nightmare week [07:12] Kamion, np [07:12] you seem to be keeping up by yourself for the moment :-) [07:12] yes, but I guess I am too late in the game for breezy :( [07:13] janimo: your universe change will go in [07:13] janimo, what i saw yesterday was really ok... [07:13] so with this reboot requried information in the info applet, is there any way to glean this information from scripts? (ie: some sort of reboot advised flag?) [07:13] janimo: we can see what's doable w.r.t. CD builds later [07:13] janimo: note that cdimage is maxed out on the number of derivatives I can support on it, but I'm happy to help you set up CD builds elsewhere later on [07:14] Kamion, thanks, but the packages are not in the polished state I'd like either [07:14] janimo: it's still a very good start for dapper.. [07:14] ogra, I was planning integration with a volume manager, display mgr etc [07:14] fabbione, thanks [07:15] janimo, yes, but its a goot first timer to build on... [07:15] janimo: so don't be too upset.. you have time to fix stuff around [07:15] *good [07:15] these two past weeks I was working all day but it's too much new stuff for me I guess [07:16] janimo, edubuntu has probably 70% of the stuff i wanted in... it will get released and attract people to help improve it in dapper... to get more helpinghands, you muist have something to present ;) [07:16] mdz: install CDs published; I'll work through the other jobs as time progresses this evening [07:17] n/m figured out whats there [07:17] Kamion: shortest job first, please [07:17] ogra, yes I guess :) [07:17] Kamion: perhaps for dapper we can work out a sane way to do parallel CD builds [07:18] the build cycle has become incredibly long [07:18] it ought to be doable, it's just a matter of making sure nothing overlaps [07:18] or spread it across more machines [07:18] Is there a reason we can't do CD builds from the buildds like we do with livefs builds? [07:19] infinity: LP will do it that way, AFAIK; rejigging it to happen before that is WAB [07:19] (other than debian-cd currently still requiring a local on-disk mirror, afaik?) [07:19] Kamion : Ahh. Right. [07:19] infinity: if you're sane, you have an on-disk mirror regardless of whether you're using debian-cd or not [07:19] well inside the DC local or not, the access is fast enough not to show much difference imho [07:20] CD building is already reasonably careful to use different paths for different projects; install and live builds currently overlap [07:20] Sure, but having an on-disk ftproot on every buildd is a lot of rsync traffic all over, and a lot of extra disk space required. [07:20] fabbione: it's not happening pre-LP, no way === jbailey_ [n=jbailey@testhaus.cns.utoronto.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === faux [n=miffo@1-1-4-21a.gkp.gbg.bostream.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:20] Anyhow, off-topic, carry on with your releasing. [07:20] fabbione: I think we did the sums and found out it would add an appreciable amount of time (20 minutes or so) to every CD build even at max bandwidth [07:20] but, later [07:20] I need to get some sleep. I'll have another test cycle in the morning, I assume. [07:21] infinity: good night [07:21] re [07:21] night infinity [07:21] The ppc64 livecd works better than my current install, apparently. =) [07:21] night infinity [07:21] Kamion : 20 mins added to each CD build when they're all done in parallel seems a win. [07:21] Kamion: yes, that's right, but losing 20 minutes.. as infinity said.. [07:21] infinity: doing them all in parallel without the extra 20 minutes seems like a bigger win [07:21] True dat. :) [07:22] The only things off were that the keyboard map it detected was wrong jp102 instead of US, so it had the @ in the wrong place, and the CD didn't eject at the end [07:22] Aside from that, it has sound from a kernel that I thought had no sound driver for it. =) [07:22] jbailey: eheheh [07:22] mdz: so basically, I can probably make it use a per-project lock easily enough, so that you can do ubuntu/kubuntu/edubuntu/ubuntu-server builds in parallel; since it's all I/O bound, that should be a nice speedup [07:23] Kamion: multiple CD build machines might be useful too === moyogo [n=moyogo@41pc104.ucu-vb.uu.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:24] Kamion: though we'd need to consider how to ensure archive consistency [07:24] Kamion: what was the ia32-libs problem while I was away? [07:26] mdz: libdb4.2 was missing, which openoffice.org2 needed to start the help browser [07:26] mdz: missing libdb4.2 [07:26] Kamion: you wrote earlier but just saw now "janimo: your universe change will go in". You mean xubuntu-related changes in uni after todays release? [07:26] doko: I could see that much from the changelog :-P [07:26] janimo: not after the release, no [07:26] ok [07:26] janimo: I meant the xubuntu-meta upload you made today [07:27] I see [07:27] (openoffice.org2-core Depends: libdb4.2) [07:27] we should have an automated way to check this, if multiarch is still some way off [07:27] yes [07:28] of course, this is really just fallout from bringing back oo.o2-help at the last minute [07:28] right [07:28] which we won't (need to) do again === Sanne [n=Sanne@p548DB7A7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bye"] [07:28] yeah, but I wouldn't like to bet money on oo.o2's dependencies never changing again [07:29] ogra, btw xscreensaver was already in upstream xfce-session so change needed :) .Just need to start with startxfce4 instead of startx [07:29] janimo, yup... [07:29] so _no_ change needed [07:30] mdz, Kamion: native builds look better for 2.0, maybe it's worth to evaluate these for dapper [07:30] as long as it runs and you can click the lock icon its fine :) [07:30] doko: definitely [07:30] doko: oh god yes [07:30] how long till universe closes? [07:30] janimo: answering that encourages people to race the deadline [07:31] :) [07:31] finish off, assume it's closing RSN [07:31] Kamion: will morgues be possible after the deadline? [07:31] janimo, i'd guess during the day tomorrow ... based on hoary experience [07:31] sistpoty: after the deadline, breezy will become untouchable, so no [07:31] k, thx [07:31] but breezy isnt hoary, so who knows :) [07:31] and it's "removals", sheesh. "morgue" is a noun :P [07:32] sorry, no native speaker ;) [07:32] elmo: Do you know what time jdub left? [07:32] elmo: is there still to remove zope(2.6) from breezy? [07:32] mjg59: dunno, if he has - I think he detoured via sabdfl's [07:33] Crap. Do you have a phone number for him? [07:36] Riddell: final-candidate kubuntu daily-live build published [07:37] Kamion: what's the difference? [07:38] Riddell: updated acpi-support, ia32-libs [07:38] Riddell: fixed memtest boot option on CDs [07:39] Kamion: is there a new install CD coming? [07:39] it's already out [07:39] fabbione: no [07:39] oh sorry [07:39] Kubuntu [07:39] Riddell: yes, it's been building for the last few minutes [07:39] never mind [07:40] Kamion: ok. and DVDs coming today? [07:40] Riddell: later, but yes [07:40] (don't know exactly how much later yet, before you ask ... I expect it to be a long night) [07:40] ok :) [07:41] dieman@runabout:~$ ./machine-needs-reboot [07:41] 1 [07:41] ok, that was simple enough === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === guidoh [n=guido@c222227.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Valandil [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-097-096.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:50] Riddell: oh bugger, I forgot to rebuild the live filesystems :-( [07:51] Riddell: don't spend too much time on that, I'll do another build later [07:51] Kamion: ok [07:51] sorry about that, entirely my fault; kubuntu live filesystem builds running now === zeedo [n=zeedo@80.68.92.188] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:52] Kamion: to build that faster you can use another boxes on your lan === lionel_ [n=lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:53] zyga: I have no particular interest in keeping multiple cdimage build machines perfectly in sync pre-LP [07:53] Kamion: all you need is one process running on all those LAN boxes [07:53] Kamion: create_compressed_fs -l [07:54] zyga: I do not control the buildds that do this [07:54] I just trigger them remotely [07:54] ah [07:54] zyga: and it's going to be about the live filesystem build time before cdimage is free to do the actual CD build anyway; there's no need to optimise stuff that is not on the critical path [07:55] building DVDs without this is a real pain unless you've got 8Gs of ram [07:57] Kamion: but the install/20051012.2 is fine (I'm testing it now)? [07:58] i386, powerpc and amd64 installs all in progress here [07:58] mvo: yes, that's candidate === eruin [n=eruin@unaffiliated/eruin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sistpoty2 [n=sistpoty@DSL01.83.171.164.220.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sistpoty2 is now known as sistpoty [08:04] 20051012.2 downloading ... [08:04] i386 install in phase 1, burning live i386 [08:05] given no uploads netinstall is still good === Kamion -> dinner. Sufficient image builds queued up to keep little busy while I'm away, I think. [08:07] please update BreezyTestPlan for the latest build when you test [08:10] Riddell: ping? [08:12] elmo: please sync gpass from debian/unstable :) [08:13] fabbione: hi [08:14] Riddell: it looks like that "login manager" in Kubuntu control panel doesn't work. it asks to push the Administration mode button, you click, you get prompted for a password (the right passewd) and it resets the control like if you have done nothing. You can't change the settings [08:15] Riddell: there might more in that status, that was the most obvious one === Nafallo [n=nafallo@unaffiliated/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:16] fabbione: that's a known problem with stikes randomly and malitiously, it's been in KDE for years but seems to happen more often when using sudo [08:16] mdz: update BreezyTestPlan in what way? clean from the results of older images? [08:17] Riddell: it was working before the upgrade from 3.4.2 to 3.4.3 [08:17] mvo: replace the old entries with your new tests, or add it if there was no previous test in that cell [08:17] fabbione: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/8681 === ubuntugeek [n=ubuntuge@molokai.xlogicgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:18] mvo: my amd64/cd/erase install gets a PASS [08:18] i386 and powerpc are in stage 2 [08:18] mdz: i386/custom partition gets a PASS here too, doing server-install now and burning cds for amd64 [08:21] i386/custom PASS [08:22] Riddell: any luck with kubuntu install CDs? [08:24] Kamion: there doesn't appear to be any build in progress on little === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@DSL01.83.171.164.220.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:25] running an ubuntu dvd build then === ozamosi [n=chatzill@h130n11c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:27] i386/erase/standard is go [08:28] mdz: i386/server/custom is fine here [08:28] mvo: ok i am updating the page [08:28] fabbione: while you're there, my powerpc/erase install is PASS [08:29] since it takes 4 hours to save the page each time we should batch the updates ;-) [08:29] sure no problem :) [08:29] ps i am also cleaning up the old tests [08:29] the new live is .3 right? [08:30] fabbione: thanks, I clicked on "save" a moment before you wrote it :) [08:30] fabbione: don't clean them, let people update them rather [08:30] Diziet: have you tested the current build yet? [08:30] fabbione: seb128++, keep the old tests in case we aren't able to repeat them at least we have the old data [08:30] fabbione: other way you trash the issue before knowing if the new builds fix them for people who had them [08:31] seb128: if we don't clean, it gets extremely messy to undestand who did test waht [08:31] seb128: the new builds have only 2 bug fixes.. Release Candidate -> // [08:31] <\sh> ok...now for the laptop testing and breezy testing [08:31] and the ia32-libs [08:31] still, they don't hurt [08:32] seb128: ok i cancelled my edits [08:32] thanks [08:32] seb128: please add i386/CD/erase .2 is ok [08:32] seb128: add also what mvo and mdz did [08:32] seb128: + i386/livecd is go [08:32] k [08:33] seb128: winfoss from .3 livecd i386 is go [08:33] you could as well update the wiki instead of listing here, that takes the same time [08:33] and that would not dup work [08:33] heh, the problem with the wiki is that it's so painfully slow in saving [08:33] and you would be sure there is not a com issue [08:34] anyway, updating [08:34] seems you are not happy to keep previous linue :) [08:34] the page is too messy.. that's why i was cleaning it [08:34] mvo: yeah [08:35] how importend is the "ubuntu-server" image? [08:35] fabbione: easy, let's do a new table for the new set === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:36] seb128: good plan === Nafallo [n=nafallo@unaffiliated/nafallo] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Read] [08:38] <\sh> elmo: please sync clisp 2.35-2 from debian unstable, thx === bacam [n=bacam@85.119.113.6] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [08:38] mdz: all the kubuntu CDs are working but there's a new install build just done that I'm rsyncing and new live on its way === Nafallo [n=nafallo@unaffiliated/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione -> dinner [08:42] Riddell: live is waiting on new livefs builds, no? [08:43] mdz: yes, I believe so [08:43] there was nothing building on little, so I did an ubuntu dvd build [08:43] once that's finished, kubuntu live should be ready to build [08:43] Riddell: after today's update, kmail lacks of opengpg... says s.th. about gpgme being compiled w.o. opengpg support. my fault or a bug? [08:43] mdz: sigh, the command I typed into shell history was ignored when control returned to the shell [08:44] sistpoty: a bug [08:44] I'm keeping a list of what's done, I'll take it from here [08:44] Riddell: already known or should i file one [08:44] sistpoty: known, I don't think a bug has been filed though [08:45] <\sh> ok..step 1 in installation went without problems [08:45] Riddell: as in "go ahead file a bug report" or "don't mind, this is being cared for" [08:45] ;) [08:45] wiki updated, I'm away a few min for dinner [08:45] sistpoty: go ahead please [08:45] Riddell: will do, thx === martinhj [n=martinhj@238.80-202-208.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:45] seb128: bon appetite [08:46] mdz: I'll do edubuntu daily next, since that's more out of date === grover [n=grover@216-99-218-29.dsl.aracnet.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:49] About #17636 .. where can I find older Breezy kernel-packages to test with, so I can find the last "usable" kernel? [08:50] jkrogh: you ask that for the 3rd time now, it's not the appropriate place, try in #ubuntu [08:51] Ok, I just thought it was a development issue that the current kernel wont boot on the hardware, that's why I ask here. === sm [n=simon@69-160-148-143.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:52] Riddell: one last question to gpgme-bug, what package? libgpgme11? [08:57] who tested a server install with 20051012.2? [08:58] it has my name in the table, but I didn't test that case [08:58] ah, mvo [08:59] mdz: yes, that was me [08:59] fixed [08:59] mdz: are you editing right now? live/i386 is fine here too [08:59] jbailey: what was the result of your ppc64 test? [08:59] mvo: just saved [08:59] mdz: ok, I'm editing now [09:00] i386/liveCD/good on 2nd machine [09:00] mvo: I think I got the lock [09:00] mvo: added your test [09:00] gah, you stole the lock [09:01] mdz: Work. Keyboard misdetection in the installer (filed as a bug), and the CD didn't eject at the end of the live test. [09:01] mdz: sorry, I'll keep my fingers off it now [09:01] I'm just rsync'ing up new images. [09:01] jbailey: how long did you wait for the eject? sometimes it takes a long time on powerpc for some reason [09:01] jbailey: oh, you were testing the old build? [09:02] jbailey: when you test the new build, update BreezyTestPlan please [09:02] Right, it was from my nightly last night 20051012 [09:02] I just saw that BreezyTestPlan has a new table. =) === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:03] sistpoty: kontact [09:03] or kmail [09:03] Riddell: thx... will do [09:03] thanks [09:05] mdz, if you have some spare ressources free, i think a edubuntu build is needed too for acpi-support changes... [09:06] otherwise the current iso is fine... [09:07] Riddell: FYI, i just found out that 17546 is already adressing this ;) [09:08] <\sh> hmmm... === xTina [n=xTina@vpn2-dynip170.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga_ [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:11] ogra: Kamion is driving the builds [09:11] ogra: mdz: I'll do edubuntu daily next, since that's more out of date [09:11] mdz, ok... [09:12] ah, fine... [09:12] i dont expect any regression though [09:14] ubuntu dvds are almost ready [09:14] ogra: we are not testing for expected regressions, only for unexpected ones :-) [09:14] hehe [09:15] mdz, if you catch them all in ubuntu and i know all my edubuntu specific issues, whats left ? [09:15] ogra: installation and live CD testing [09:15] random weird shit [09:15] ogra: moon rays hitting little while building CD [09:15] i just wanted to say no need to put me on high priority with edubuntu :) [09:16] we rather hope nothing will go wrong with any of these builds [09:16] edubuntu needs to be tested in order to release on time [09:16] yes, but i cant chage contents, so worst case i'll have a new build if its littles fault [09:16] ogra: still needs to happen sooner rather than later [09:16] mdz, sure thats what i'm doing over here... beside fixing merged wikipages [09:17] a lot of people have been asking if there's an exact time of breezy release so they can organise/arrange events accordingly; is there one? [09:17] apokryphos: no, there isn't [09:17] ok thanks === alg [n=alg@200-230-129-198-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:18] apokryphos: we could set one late in the day, but I prefer to release as soon as we're satisfied with it, rather than hold it until a scheduled release time [09:18] definitely; keep them on their toes 8) === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-110-252.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thesaltydog [n=fabio@host190-176.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:21] DVD candidates mirroring now [09:21] Kamion: little is all yours [09:22] ok, let me queue up a batch of stuff [09:23] cdimage@little:~$ for-project edubuntu cron.daily; for-project kubuntu cron.daily-live; for-project ubuntu-server cron.daily; for-project kubuntu cron.dvd; for-project edubuntu cron.dvd [09:23] that should keep her busy for a while [09:24] after that it's just non-release stuff like ports and livecd-base left from the crontab === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra never noticed little was female :) === mvo reboots. brb === carstenh [n=carstenh@mkfw.fh-trier.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@suprimo-135.ping.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martin [n=martin@213.253.92.142] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:34] ubuntu DVDs are up; get 'em while they're hot [09:34] latest candidate 20051012 [09:35] i would if it wouldnt eat half my months quota :\ [09:35] elmo, I would like to request a sync of dvi2ps and wterm from Debian (allowed by \sh) === sanpera [n=sanpera@157.182.195.191] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:38] <\sh> lamont__ / infinity: could you take a look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/c/clisp/1:2.35-2/clisp_1:2.35-2_20051012-2010-i386-failed.gz and tell me, why this is not happening in my pbuilder? === alg [n=alg@200-230-129-198-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:39] <\sh> this message "Add -falign-functions=4 to CFLAGS in the Makefile." I never saw in my pbuilder...:( [09:39] doko: amd64 is fine, OO.o help works too now, good work! [09:41] dholbach: please add me to amd64-live (I see you have the lock) === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:44] Kamion: memtest works nicely :) [09:45] mvo: first line i386 for me [09:45] ups [09:45] dholbach: [09:45] i didnt have the lock any more [09:45] but i can type for all of you guys, no problem :) [09:45] the DVD .torrent for ppc isn't registered correctly with its tracker, and apparently nobody is seeding the bittorrent files yet ? [09:46] smurf: i guess it will be done for the announce, right? [09:46] dholbach: thanks, amd64-live pass for me then :) === fabamd64live [n=ubuntu@GODS-ARE-US.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:47] yadadada [09:47] can somebody update the wiki please? [09:47] mvirkkil: dude, i added that already [09:47] i need to do winfoss test on amd64 [09:47] hahaha :) [09:47] amd64/live/go [09:47] dholbach: it might make sense to seed them before the announcement, but then I can easily pull the files directly, and do it myself ;-) [09:48] dholbach: are you going to add it to the wiki please? [09:48] yes [09:48] thanks [09:49] dholbach, add also the hostname ;) === Valandil [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-097-096.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:49] no :) [09:49] ahah [09:49] later [09:51] smurf: need to ping an admin (elmo/Znarl) about that; last I checked it wasn't done automatically [09:51] we'll do it once everything's built === leG [n=jerome@myreseau.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:52] Kamion: torrent should just work when you trigger it [09:52] that's the theory anyway, but the torrent software is complete crack [09:53] oh, a while back you said it was disabled? === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] hmmm [09:53] elmo: seems to be working -- the ppc DVD torrent now registered OK [09:53] Kamion: nah, re-enabled now [09:53] hmm, Colony 5 doesn't need to be torrented any more! [09:54] Kamion: znarl spent a couple of days beating it into shape [09:54] ah, cool, thanks === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:54] dholbach: winfoss amd64 is go [09:54] god, torrent.u.c is just enormously huge [09:54] plz write smaller software kthxbye === fabbione does the last reboot from the CD tests... [09:55] we might want to consider stopping torrenting the daily builds [09:55] I doubt they get very much seeding === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:55] can we get statistics on that? === elvirolo [n=elvirolo@lns-bzn-3-82-250-90-202.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:56] morning all [09:56] hey andrew [09:57] how's progress on going? scrollback is lookcing promising :) [09:57] the bi-weekly DVDs make marginally more sense to torrent [09:57] elmo: Thanks for the syncs! Did atlas-cpp come through as NEW? [09:57] Heya ajmitch [10:00] wow... french keyboards are really crackful, i'll never install a french server again :-p [10:00] heh === seb128 kicks dholbach [10:04] hey what's wrong with French keyboards :-D ? ! [10:04] elvirolo: the keys are all mixed up :) [10:05] dholbach: ah... well ... yeah :-D [10:05] hah. german keyboards are just plain weird to use [10:05] really and truly bizarre things [10:05] not really [10:05] nah... [10:06] if all the world would use them, we'd never have keymap problems again :) [10:06] and you could type , thats a big advamtage :p [10:06] using your logic, we should all be using my new and improved alphabet :) [10:06] s/m/n [10:06] dredg: do you type from right to left? [10:06] dredg, publish it, we might condsider *g* [10:07] dholbach: no. there's not much difference between an irish keyboard and a uk one [10:07] i think the euro symbol is the sum total of the differences === ogra guesses the irish one is a bit greener... [10:07] heh [10:08] only if you spill things on it and forget to clean it :) [10:08] bah, i shouldnt chat with such a lack of sleep [10:08] lol [10:08] dredg, that can get very hairy... [10:09] speaking of irish, i must prod my girlfriend to do some translation [10:09] ogra: indeed :) === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === StR [n=str@200.6.236.143] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:15] Hi all [10:15] How can I have php4 and php5 working on the same instalation? === robitaille [n=robitail@p238-121.public.uvic.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RobinhoPeixoto [n=RobinhoP@20132136008.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:20] <\sh> I need at least one of the two buildd pros ;) === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089EE19.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elvirolo [n=elvirolo@lns-bzn-3-82-250-90-202.adsl.proxad.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-28-77.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:22] StR: you will not get a answer here, try #ubuntu [10:22] #ubuntu-devel is for develoment only [10:23] when will be generated the new version of language-pack? [10:23] after release [10:23] hno_away: ping? [10:23] <\sh> elmo: please sync busybox , dbishell , lde from debian unstable, thx === RobinhoPeixoto [n=RobinhoP@20132136008.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-124-115.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RobinhoPeixoto [n=RobinhoP@20132136008.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:27] carstenh: well.. yes, but beacuse it is a feature that comes in breezy (the php5 thing) I thought I would find the answer here [10:27] StR: see topic, so support, even with breezy [10:27] no support [10:27] :) [10:28] Keybuk: sorry.. are we there yet? [10:28] ;) [10:28] fabbione: with? [10:28] the release.. [10:28] :P [10:28] how would I know? I'm just a monkey [10:28] ook [10:28] ogra: Already it has some day certain to leave the new version language-pack? [10:28] ahha [10:29] RobinhoPeixoto: no there is no ETA yet [10:29] RobinhoPeixoto: we still need to release and we are overloaded doing testing right now [10:29] it's really not a good time [10:30] you all should do some test installs :) [10:30] Can I generate this package? How? [10:31] of the CD [10:31] s === kyncani [n=kyncani@lns-bzn-1-82-250-31-172.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Sanne [n=Sanne@p548DB2BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === StR [n=str@200.6.236.143] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:42] how to make Yelp crash [10:42] fabbione: I am testing the Ubuntu [10:42] Keybuk: erm... type while it's doing something? [10:42] move your mouse? [10:42] look away? look at it? [10:42] Load it. Click "Ubuntu 5.10 Starter Guide". Click "Desktop" in the main window. Click "Panel Applets". [10:42] dredg: why so sofisticate? just open it === srbaker [n=srbaker@64.114.203.161] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:43] hey [10:43] i'm insttalling ubuntu on a Tecra M2. should i post my experience somewhere? [10:44] is there a place to post that it didn't fuck up or catch fire? [10:44] you're free to post it on the wiki.ubuntu.com [10:44] okay, i may do that. [10:44] srbaker: or post the bugs to bugzilla and send a report to the mailing list [10:44] it's more useful [10:44] infact, it's good practice that you do that.. and if anything really bad happens fill some bugzilla bugs [10:45] fabbione, beat me by 5 seconds [10:45] lol === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:45] I qill test [10:45] I will test [10:46] RobinhoPeixoto, brasil? [10:46] xhaker: yes [10:46] portugal here === juliux [n=juliux@141.30.211.85] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:50] is it known that it is not possible to print landscape from gnome programs e.g. gtklp, abiword, evince === RobinhoPeixoto [n=RobinhoP@20132136008.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === julien is now known as julien` === srbaker [n=srbaker@64.114.203.161] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:55] juliux: where did you get libnspr4 version 2:1.7.12-0ubuntu05.04 from? [10:56] jdub, robitaille: do you have the url for the ics file? [10:56] seb128: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/ical that one? [10:56] yeah [10:56] doko, it was on my system since i have installed hoary [10:57] Nafallo: I want to URL to the file, not a redirection [10:57] random thought about server installs ... does it really make sense to create a new user? we could replace that with a "enter the root password" kind of affair [10:57] ah === axl [n=axl@100.242.216.81.h-borg.siwnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:57] doko, and under breezy it is a newer version === Sanne [n=Sanne@p548DB2BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bye"] [10:58] doko, i searched the mirror manual but i do not found any libnspr4 package [10:59] pitti: ^^^ looks like you messup version numbers in hoary security fixes? [10:59] doko, and apt-get --reinstall install linspr4 also not works [10:59] Nafallo: you should just click on the .ics and get the webcal stuff asking if you want to put that to your calendar, atm it opens the download dialog [10:59] seb128: I just pasted the url to evo :-) [11:00] Nafallo: yeah, but just clicking on it would be nice :) [11:00] baah :-P [11:00] I want to get the website changed [11:01] ping doko [11:01] mdz, Kamion: uploads to breezy/universe still possible? the mozilla version in hoary-security is newer than in breezy [11:01] mvo: pong [11:03] doko: see /msg [11:04] doko, universe is still open [11:04] ogra: thanks [11:06] doko: universe uploads are still possible, but mozilla is in main [11:07] mdz: so breezy-updates ... === pitti [n=pitti@mail.fbn-dd.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:08] juliux: download the packages by hand: "aptitude download mozilla-browser libnspr", then install them with sudo dpkg -i ... [11:09] pitti: ! [11:09] $ dpkg --compare-versions 1.7.12-0ubuntu2 gt 1.7.12-0ubuntu05.04; echo $? [11:09] 1 [11:09] Hi [11:10] doko, thxs [11:12] doko: so what? that version compare looks just fine? [11:12] doko: oh, wait, it doesn't... [11:13] doko: ubuntu0.5.04 would be better... [11:13] but that looks like a bug in the version comparison? ubuntu2 should be newer than ubuntu0... [11:15] doko, thanks for your help === tony_the_cable_g [n=tony@pcp08982065pcs.trnrsv01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:15] pitti: no, it never was. [11:15] guess the unichrome drivers never made it in [11:15] did they? === tony_the_cable_g [n=tony@pcp08982065pcs.trnrsv01.nj.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Orborde [n=orborde@shrv-c-148.resnet.purdue.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:16] seb128, it seems the ical redirect change every day...right now it points at http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/2005/10/12/ical/all/all/ [11:16] doko: bah; is this weird way documented somewhere? [11:16] doko: nm, I'll ask keybuk [11:16] Is Breezy on bugzilla.ubuntu.com, I suppose? === hno_away [n=hno73@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [11:17] seb128, but jdub must know more about the behind the scene stuff.... I'm only an user :) [11:17] pitti: don't know, but I checked on a warty and woody system === Hirion_ [n=Hirion@p5487F7F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:17] robitaille: k, I've noticed the redirection but that's still not a direct .ics to click on [11:17] pitti: #17579 [11:18] pitti: 'sup? === Orborde [n=orborde@shrv-c-148.resnet.purdue.edu] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [11:18] anyone here on i2 or a reasonably fast network? want to see if this gigE card helped :) [11:19] mdz, Kamion: all 6 kubuntu CDs are good [11:20] mdz: should we add this upgrade glitch to the release notes? [11:20] Keybuk: why is -ubuntu05.4 newer than -ubuntu2? [11:21] because 5 > 2 ? [11:21] Keybuk: because 0 < 2? === el_toro [n=jonah@63-226-147-96.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:21] at least, it is in my universe [11:21] 05 is still numerically 5 [11:21] sticking a 0 in front doesn't make it bigger [11:21] 000000000005 is still greater than 2 [11:21] Keybuk and pitti live in parallel universes ;-P [11:22] not stringwise, though [11:22] bah [11:22] pitti: remember that 0.10 is greater then 0.9, and then you see why [11:22] dpkg doesn't compare versions stringwise [11:22] Keybuk: it should be octal [11:22] otherwise we'd just use strcmp [11:22] doko: go stand in the corner [11:22] ozamosi: that's different; 0.010 is smaller than 0.9 [11:22] Keybuk: what version of Ubuntu do you use? The FAQ has no item "Desktop" here on a fresh install ... [11:22] pitti: not in dpkg-land [11:22] doko: what changes are in breezy relative to hoary-security? [11:23] ozamosi: greather than (sorry, pet hate) [11:23] seb128: hmm? [11:23] which FAQ? [11:23] you mean 0.01 is bigger than 0.9? weird [11:23] Keybuk: your crasher [11:23] seb128: that was me testing yelp [11:23] so 20051012.2 [11:23] mdz: mainly building against new libraries [11:23] yeah, but and now that's me trying to click on the same items to get the crash [11:23] it was because I clicked Desktop while it was still loading the FAQ I think [11:23] and I've no "Desktop" [11:23] mdz: we could upload a newer version to breezy-updates if necessary [11:24] we could potentially allow an update to breezy as well [11:24] pitti: yeah, has always been thus [11:24] can someone check if the binaries are on any CDs? [11:24] what pkg is that? === rlipas_ [n=rlipas@201-0-251-61.dial-up.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:24] mdz: libnspr4 definitely is on all cd's ... [11:24] seb128: if I load Yelp, the first thing is "Desktop" under "Help Topics" [11:25] that's what I clicked [11:25] after clicking the FAQ thing === Keybuk has ADD [11:25] doko: that is unfortunate [11:25] Keybuk: ok, thanks [11:25] elmo: can we add a katie check for this? [11:26] elmo: (hoary-security > breezy) [11:26] mdz: so we learn for the testing plan :-) test-upgrades from released hoary and security-updated hoary [11:26] s/katie/soyuz/ no? [11:26] doko: with all installed packages, that is - mozilla is not installed by default [11:27] pitti: libnspr4 is [11:27] pitti: please prepare an upload for breezy-updates === Unfrgive1 is now known as Unfrgiven [11:28] I'm still waiting for DVDs to rsync; has anyone been able to test them yet? [11:28] mdz: already did === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:29] I'll need a volunteer to test the amd64 dvd in an hour or so [11:29] kubuntu one [11:29] doko: oh, please update BreezyTestPlan then [11:29] we seem to be lacking powerpc testing too [11:29] mdz: i tried grabbing the latest daily off the torrent last night (as per the test plan) but its stopped at 77% :( === pitti calls it 1.7.12-1ubuntu1, althuogh that is not strictly true [11:29] mdz: everyone's powerpc is broken [11:30] mine isn't broken, it's just sick === mdz shakes a fist at Apple === kyncani [n=kyncani@82.251.185.29] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:30] I have a powerpc if something needs testing === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:32] Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyTestPlan [11:33] mdz: mozilla_1.7.12-1ubuntu1_source.changes for breezy-updates prepared [11:33] mdz: shall I upload now? [11:33] pitti: check with elmo first [11:33] ok [11:34] elmo: ok to upload a mozilla with newer version to breezy-updates? === pitti successfully tests current ppc live === gro [n=gro@ip-212-239-167-155.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:35] Does /current/ point to 20051012.3? The CD seems to still say 20051012 [11:36] jbailey: the CD doesn't include the fractional digit [11:36] unfortunate but true [11:37] mdz: What's the best way to confirm that I've got the .3 version? [11:37] ppc64 passed everything but cd eject at the end, but I want to make sure it was on the right version. [11:37] md5sum? === Kamion returns [11:38] somebody did ignore the lock on BreezyTestPlan [11:38] jbailey: .disk/info on the CD-ROM [11:38] oh, maybe not [11:38] yeah, md5sum [11:38] hmm [11:38] no test sound on OEM install [11:38] Keybuk: known, it's because most of GNOME isn't running [11:38] heh [11:39] mdz: btw, jdub says that when he gets back from the pub he has an artwork upload to do [11:39] ... [11:39] Kamion: very funny [11:39] we get dapper artwork so early? :-P [11:40] Kamion, oh, he took pictures in the pub ? [11:40] I think he wanted to troll about it earlier today but silbs made him stop [11:40] Kamion: tell him to stop by on his way through here next time for a whipping [11:40] :-) [11:40] send him to Brum, I've got one [11:41] ok [11:41] Kamion: OEM install is still go === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:41] does the oem installer not detect the keyboard? === GmanAFK is now known as Gman_ [11:42] Keybuk: no, haven't figured out how to extricate that code from cdebconf yet [11:42] shame it doesn't auto-fill in the username box either [11:42] ... oh, damn, and it may not tell X about the change either [11:42] whoops [11:42] interesting different in partman behaviour, btw [11:42] well, there's one for the errata; I'm not banging in a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg at this stage [11:42] Keybuk: que? [11:42] AH AHHHHHH [11:43] if I do an "automatic" partman, I just get the partitions it made in fstab [11:43] if I hit manual, I suddenly get every partition on every drive in fstab [11:43] mdz: remember that livecd/casper problem? i can reproduce it on one of my box... [11:43] fabbione: no, I don't [11:43] mdz: i just noticed... [11:43] Keybuk: gah, that's a bug [11:43] mdz: the one that you reassigned to me from kiko / minimac [11:43] I have a /media/hda1, /media/hda3, /media/hdc1, et. al. now [11:43] let me find the number [11:43] fabbione: screaming during release prep is prohibited except for showstoppers [11:43] mdz: xresprobe not detecting the resolution [11:43] Keybuk: that's really sucky, but too late to fix [11:44] Kamion: yeah, it's not critical or anything === fabbione shuts up [11:44] would be nice to fix for next time [11:44] fabbione: my poor nerves :-) [11:44] definitely; I don't know where the problem would be offhand [11:44] fabbione: are you able to strace it etc.? === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@67.15.185.40] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:44] mdz: i will try [11:45] Kamion: the DVD has a different winfoss tarball, right? [11:45] mdz: no, I don't think anyone ever asked for one [11:45] no IMAGE_TYPE casing in find-live-filesystem at all === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@DSL01.83.171.163.64.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:46] Kamion: oh, ok. one less test case [11:46] so like, any idea how to tar some files up perserving perms and untar them preserving them, when /etc/passwd with the original uids doesn't exist? [11:46] it probably *should* have [11:46] fabbione: are you able to test the amd64 winfoss at all? [11:46] mdz: i already added it to the wiki [11:46] i did it [11:46] Kamion: yeah, surely hno73 has a larger tarball [11:46] well, what's up with you, second time the lock on BreezyTestPlan is ignored ... [11:46] fabbione: oh, just saw it. thanks. [11:47] mdz: no problem :) [11:47] Kamion: also, I'm not sure, but I don't think I got an ntfs partition in fstab for automatic [11:47] wasabi_: if tar wont do it [11:47] wasabi_: one of the other tools might [11:47] cpio or whatever [11:47] Keybuk: I thought I fixed that a couple of days ago [11:47] dunno, will do a reinstall to test that one specifically === ivoks [n=ivoks@lns01-0468.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:47] Keybuk: but if there's a generic problem with stuff not getting automounted by partman-auto, it would apply to ntfs the same as everything else [11:47] it's on a different drive, don't know if that makes a difference [11:47] mdz: i noticed only one small detail about the winfoss implementation. The browser windows that gets autoplayed is like 50 lines too short.. [11:47] mdz: the rest is perfect [11:48] Keybuk: if it's in manual partitioning, that's more annoying, because it worked for me [11:48] it tends to cut away the bottom [11:48] it's in manual partitioning yeah [11:48] that definitely worked [11:48] so, when do we open champain? :) [11:48] but i definetely don't consider it a show stopper :) === Bicchi [n=chatzill@adsl-065-006-167-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:53] Kamion: live cd doesn't seed fstab either, but that may be a feature ? [11:54] Keybuk: missing feature deferred at preview time, didn't get implemented in time [11:54] Sorry to ask but at what time is the release of ubuntu? [11:54] Mithrandir's got the code for dapper, I think [11:54] Bicchi: sometime in the next 24 hours [11:54] 00:00 i think [11:55] I am getting terrible throughput from cdimage === pitti [n=pitti@mail.fbn-dd.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:55] xhaker: on any particular basis? :-) (wrong) [11:55] via rsync anyway [11:55] wonder if http is better [11:55] Kamion: yeah, didn't make FF. [11:55] mdz, elmo: btw, the prepared upload is on chinstrap:~pitti/mozilla_1.7.12-1ubuntu1_source.changes, so it it is ok, just dput it [11:55] Kamion. atleast is what it says in the Fridge.. haha [11:55] s/so it/so if/ [11:56] xhaker: was just set arbitrarily I think [11:56] xhaker: yeah but 00:00 where [11:56] xhaker: UK ? [11:57] in fact my bandwidth everywhere seems to suck :-/ [11:57] I seem to be capped at 1.5mbit [11:57] FURY [11:58] haha [11:58] welcome to australia [11:58] mdz: are the three proposed upgrade tests too much= [11:58] ? [11:58] Bicchi i just assume everything is UTC in dev sites [11:59] mdz: it's slow from here too [11:59] doko: should be ok, except s/hoary/breezy/, too late for more hoary CD upgrade testing ;-) [12:00] fabbione: that may be, but I definitely have a local problem === ikmo [n=deceptio@cpc4-lutn4-3-0-cust133.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:01] Bicchi: don't worry about the timezone, since the given time isn't correct anyway; it will be released at some point during 2005-10-13, but no time has been set