[01:10] <mhz> hi
[01:11] <enyc> hello ;p
[01:12] <mhz> have we started yet?
[01:13] <ajmitch> no
[01:13] <ajmitch> meeting is in 45 min
[01:13] <ajmitch> for edubuntu :)
[01:13] <mhz> what time is it, UTC?
[01:13] <ajmitch> Wed Oct 12 11:13:24 UTC 2005
[01:13] <mhz> ooohhhhh, yes ! We have one more hour now in Chile (since sunday)
[01:14] <mhz> duh!
[01:14] <mhz> Hence I was so sleepy
[01:55] <JaneW>  **Reminder** Edubuntu Update Meeting in +- 5 minutes
[01:56] <ajmitch> -5? that would be interesting
[01:59] <JaneW> ajmitch: time there?
[02:00] <ajmitch> 1AM
[02:00] <JaneW> ouch
[02:00] <jsgotangco> just in time =)
[02:00] <ajmitch> I was intending to be in bed a couple of hours ago
[02:00] <jsgotangco> 8pm
[02:00] <ajmitch> but got caught up with universe uploads :)
[02:01] <JaneW> ok we all here
[02:01] <JaneW> I know flint was intending to attemd
[02:01] <JaneW> s/m/n
[02:01] <mhz> re
[02:02] <JaneW> hi mhz
[02:02] <mhz> hey Jane of Ed
[02:02] <JaneW> :)
[02:02] <mhz> :)
[02:02] <jsgotangco> we have an agenda?
[02:02] <mhz> yes
[02:03] <ogra> jsgotangco, we have a standard procedure...
[02:03] <mhz> ogra receives the shots
[02:03] <mhz> :)
[02:03] <JaneW> the group is small enough at this stage to have an open group discussion
[02:03] <ogra> ans really sorry, i didnt prepare a report today, i have to go over the stuff step by step...
[02:03] <JaneW> each person arrives with their own (hidden) agenda ;)
[02:03] <mhz> lol
[02:03] <JaneW> ogra: understood
[02:04] <mhz> that's the standard procedure
[02:04] <mhz> see? it works
[02:04] <JaneW> jsgotangco: don't have a sense of humour failure me now! (please)
[02:04] <mhz> I can say some about CD covers and lbel
[02:04] <ogra> ok, lets go over my issues from last week...
[02:04] <JaneW> ogra: shoot
[02:05] <JaneW> ok ogra first then mhz then jsgotangco ?
[02:05] <ogra> #15244 isnt and wont be solved :/ but its a fact we have to live with
[02:05] <mhz> ok
[02:05] <ogra> yup
[02:05] <JaneW> what is that ogra?
[02:05] <ogra> you cant log in for a minute after logout...
[02:05] <jsgotangco> agghhhh
[02:05] <ogra> its nothing blocking, but very ugly
[02:05] <JaneW> hmmm, have many ppl had a problem with it?
[02:06] <JaneW> so switching users causes the problem
[02:06] <ogra> everyone... its a bug in ssh i guess
[02:06] <JaneW> should put highvoltage 's wait screen in there
[02:06] <Kamion> that is not clear at all to me, as the openssh maintainer
[02:06] <ogra> i havent got enough insight in ssh yet to fix it and kamion insists its not ssh...
[02:06] <Kamion> I don't really want to discuss it at length here, but I don't think you've provided enough evidence to make it clear one way or the other
[02:06] <Kamion> no, I do not insist that it isn't ssh
[02:06] <ogra> but it happens with much forwarded X stuff
[02:07] <mhz> cold it be an authentification issue?
[02:07] <JaneW> ogra: ok, but ti can't be fixed before release right?
[02:07] <ogra> yes
[02:07] <ogra> nothing can be fixed before release anymore... we're locked since yesterday evening
[02:07] <JaneW> ok, has it been documented as one of the known issues yet?
[02:07] <mhz> can we include this issue public in release notes?
[02:07] <jsgotangco> it should be
[02:07] <ogra> not yet, i'll put it on the list
[02:07] <JaneW> mhz: yes it must be listed
[02:07] <mhz> k
[02:08] <mhz> ogra: can it be xorg?
[02:08] <JaneW> jsgotangco: can you make a note of it in the k-i lists and ogra can give details?
[02:08] <JaneW> please
[02:08] <ogra> ok, next was the autogeneration of dhcpd.conf... mdz found it a to big change so it wasnt allowed to go in... i worked around the breakage that was caused through this in the install
[02:09] <ogra> but that leaves us with manual post install work
[02:09] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup
[02:09] <JaneW> ogra: right, so that needs to be clearly documented
[02:09] <ogra> it is...
[02:10] <ogra> PATH variable doesnt contain the /usr/games PATH
[02:10] <JaneW> is there a message after the install alerting the installer to this? or must they read a doc?
[02:10] <ogra> was the next point
[02:10] <Kamion> ogra: didn't I fix that?
[02:10] <JaneW> mhz: ta
[02:10] <ogra> JaneW, read a doc :/
[02:10] <Kamion> openssh (1:4.1p1-7ubuntu4) breezy; urgency=low
[02:10] <Kamion>   * Add /usr/games to the default $PATH for non-privileged users.
[02:10] <ogra> thanks to Kamion the PATH stuff is fixed
[02:10] <ogra> Kamion, sorry, i was about to say that...
[02:10] <Kamion> ok
[02:11] <JaneW> ogra: we need to highlight it in as many places as necesary then, in doc, on wiki and web page etc etc and mailing list
[02:11] <JaneW> ok so path issue is closed?
[02:11] <ogra> i added it to the release announcement that you should read the http://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallNotes
[02:12] <ogra> yup, the PATH isuue is closed... (even if i still disagree it should have been done in ssh ;) )
[02:13] <JaneW> perhaps we should highlight the post install notes (with one of those yellow triangles ?)
[02:13] <ogra> locale and session selection in the login manager never worked, when i asked for removal i was told its to late for such a change and i should put it on lowest priority
[02:14] <ogra> which i did... but the fact is that the manus still are there now, we must note that
[02:14] <ogra> *menus
[02:14] <JaneW> so we have menus which don;t work? :/
[02:14] <ogra> JaneW, yes, good idea
[02:14] <ogra> in the ltsp login manager
[02:14] <mhz> JaneW: i volunteer to review docs you mention to me and make them use most moin moin features as possible
[02:15] <ogra> -  error message about IP selesction in the installer ...
[02:15] <JaneW> mhz: cool, yes you are our wiki champion
[02:15] <ogra> this one was fixed through removal of a default IP, noted in the InstallNotes page
[02:15] <mhz> lol, but please let's agree on a list (mhz has very bad memory)
[02:15] <JaneW> mhz: can you look at http://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallNotes and the linkis and make relevent parts stand out please?
[02:15] <mhz> perfect
[02:16] <JaneW> mhz: in fact why not scan through our whole wiki (if you have the time) it is still fairly contained.... I am sure you could beautify it nicely
[02:17] <JaneW> ogra: so is there still a problem or is it fixed now, and/or is it realted to the dhcp one?
[02:18] <jsgotangco> wiki hero woohooo
[02:18] <mhz> lol, and you are the docbook heroe
[02:18] <JaneW> mhz: the rest of the wiki can wait, the install note and release announcement are needed for tomorrow
[02:18] <mhz> ok
[02:18] <jsgotangco> heya lord of darkness flint
[02:18] <ogra> JaneW, it was only a confusing text that gets drawn if a default IP is set... the bug isnt fixed, but worked around by not setting a defult ip, which is fine for now
[02:18] <JaneW> jsgotangco: you are DrDoc
[02:19] <mhz> just remember we have some time issues and tomorrow for you is my chilean tomorrow
[02:19] <flint> darkness...I associated this with sleep...yea...
[02:19] <jsgotangco> i am but a writer nothing more...
[02:19] <JaneW> ogra: ok good.
[02:20] <JaneW> ogra: besides switching user issue do any of the others need to be in the k-i list?
[02:20] <ogra> ok, the other stuff i had planned, like fixing up the css of the firefox page and disabling the sound isnt done... disabling the sound would have caused *all* installs to be without sound, even the workstation variant
[02:21] <ogra> yes, all of the above, we wanted to provide a fully automatic ltsp setup... without autoigeneration of the ile that doesnt work...
[02:21] <ogra> *file
[02:22] <ogra> the menus need to be in... and i'll put up a small howto about sond and why and how to disable it for lts servers
[02:22] <flint> ollie elkner and I had and install bug monday.  what is the fix?  
[02:22] <JaneW> ogra: re the firefox page thing is that the same as it was still?
[02:22] <ogra> oh, and the progress reporting of the chroot buider is still a bit unresponsive, i'll add that too
[02:23] <ogra> JaneW, yes, but it has a white plain background... i wanted o put up a css for it that looks a bit more edubuntu...
[02:23] <JaneW> ogra: so will the sound options remain in, just not be functional on the LTSP clients?
[02:24] <JaneW> ogra: so it's cosmetic?
[02:24] <JaneW> ogra: what about the language issue?
[02:24] <ogra> the fun here is, who logs in first gets the sound server on the server machine...
[02:24] <JaneW> heh, an incentive
[02:24] <ogra> the system uses the default server language... 
[02:25] <flint> first-come-first-serve (fcfs) sound will work great in a classroom situation...
[02:25] <ogra> if you play sounds on the thin client as the first logged in user, the output happens on the server...
[02:25] <JaneW> ok but the About Edubuntu page? What happens if it's not an English server? They get About Ubuntu in their language?
[02:25] <jsgotangco> nice
[02:25] <jsgotangco> you'll have students coming on time then
[02:25] <ogra> the second (and any further) user cant play sounds at all
[02:26] <ogra> JaneW, nope
[02:26] <ogra> JaneW, edubuntu-artwork installs over ubuntu-doc... it gets overwritten in any case...
[02:27] <JaneW> ogra: I am not clear on what happens then ... will everyone get the English version?
[02:27] <ogra> everyone will get our version
[02:27] <ogra> we only have one
[02:27] <jsgotangco> yes!
[02:27] <mhz> hhm, can i sugest something?
[02:27] <jsgotangco> hehe
[02:28] <ogra> mhz, sure
[02:28] <mhz> we need more volunteers, more community.
[02:28] <mhz> therefore
[02:28] <ajmitch> agreed
[02:28] <jsgotangco> good morning ajmitch hehe
[02:28] <ogra> that wil happen
[02:28] <JaneW> oic ok, yes we do, we can link About Edubuntu to Babelfish
[02:28] <ogra> eeks
[02:28] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: hi ;)
[02:29] <JaneW> ajmitch - careful what you ask for ;P
[02:29] <ajmitch> JaneW: I'm used to it, I'm a MOTU
[02:29] <JaneW> ogra: are those all our issues?
[02:29] <mhz> why not have only a couple of transalted versions from english via links
[02:29] <jsgotangco> i can translate to esperanto anytime =)
[02:29] <JaneW> mhz: we can certainly put them on the wiki
[02:29] <ogra> ok, in other notes i just finished a successfull install of tonights iso... just to find out mdz had started a new one this morning at 7am :/
[02:30] <mhz> and another link on same page requesting for translations ifn "your own" language
[02:30] <JaneW> erk
[02:30] <ogra> JaneW, i think so ... they are worse enough ...
[02:30] <JaneW> when will the ubuntu one stop changing? do we know yet?
[02:30] <mhz> kind of Knoppix like
[02:30] <jsgotangco> changing?
[02:30] <flint> ollie, I have a process question, is the last build today the distro for release?
[02:30] <jsgotangco> its already stopped
[02:30] <JaneW> mhz: sure
[02:30] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: not quite, last-minute fixes are still getting approved
[02:31] <jsgotangco> eh?
[02:31] <jsgotangco> so we're still having a build later?
[02:31] <ogra> flint, i can do 10 builds if the ressources allow it... but mdz locked down the archive yesterday, so i cant upload anything
[02:31] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: assuming that acpi-support fix gets in, I guess so
[02:31] <jsgotangco> ugghhh acpi-support is critical
[02:31] <ajmitch> yes
[02:31] <flint> mdz was whining that he had three distros to release instead of one
[02:31] <mhz> JaneW: basically, the idea is that we motivate them to get involved
[02:31] <ogra> flint, so what you see on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/ i final
[02:31] <JaneW> ogra: how much more have you got to do before the launch?
[02:32] <JaneW> mhz: good idea
[02:32] <ajmitch> mhz: links to launchpad for everything?
[02:32] <ogra> JaneW, ??
[02:32] <mhz> ajmitch: for example
[02:32] <mhz> yes
[02:32] <JaneW> ogra: trying to guage what still needs to be done
[02:32] <ogra> only wiki pages and announcement stuff... i have no opportunity to do anything else... the archive is locked since yesterday
[02:32] <JaneW> ogra: release notes and announcement, installer notes touch ups and coding stuff(?) ?
[02:33] <JaneW> jsgotangco: any further updates or news or issues from your side?
[02:33] <ogra> yes, only stuff that involves no uploads :)
[02:33] <flint> ollie, we really crashed and burned on an install with the monday image.
[02:33] <ogra> flint, why did nobody report that ? 
[02:33] <jsgotangco> JaneW, i've already slaved on the releaste notes for both edubuntu/ubuntu i have nothing more to say at the moment except I'll just wait
[02:34] <ogra> flint, and in which way did you crash ? 
[02:34] <JaneW> jsgotangco: the release notes are looking good
[02:34] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I saw fabbione looked at them too
[02:34] <flint> ollie remember at the beginng of the install
[02:34] <flint> elkner had you on chat
[02:34] <jsgotangco> JaneW, the fact that we can't upload anymore means it can't get in the cd but then that's one thing me and mdz talked about that we'll just use a permalink on the distro next time since releasenotes are rolling
[02:35] <ogra> flint, yes, about 10 minutes after i had fixed it... i told him so... 
[02:35] <JaneW> jsgotangco: right, makes sense
[02:35] <JaneW> mhz: want to discuss the CD packaging and designs now?
[02:35] <flint> ok, i am indeed slow and stoopid...but he never told me this... :^)  Yayyy!!
[02:35] <Kamion> flint: acpi-support and ia32-libs are going in to fix critical bugs, so there'll be another round of builds, but basically no other changes
[02:35] <mhz> jsgotangco: we can have "frozen" pages via moin :)
[02:36] <mhz> JaneW: if the other more urgent issues are ok, then i'm ready
[02:36] <ogra> flint, and sorry, but a crash is something else than a wrong notice in a installer page ... please dont alert me like this if you discover a wrong text or something... its quite shocking to hear about a crash in this case
[02:36] <flint> slushy verses frozen...
[02:36] <ogra> flint, this mesage was there more than a month btw :)
[02:36] <flint> I am glad you fixed that bug.  we will try a complete install later today
[02:37] <mhz> JaneW: so? i shot?
[02:37] <mhz> shoot
[02:37] <ogra> we'll need far more tesers next release...
[02:37] <jsgotangco> mhz, teach how to freeze a wiki page after the meeting
[02:37] <JaneW> ogra: agreed
[02:37] <mhz> jsgotangco: np
[02:37] <JaneW> mhz: une momento por favore, let's just wrap the release issues completely
[02:37] <ogra> most of the testing was done by me, mhz and jelkner... thats all we had...
[02:38] <flint> and me!!!
[02:38] <ajmitch> ogra: I think that after an initial release you'll have a far greater pool of testers
[02:38] <JaneW> yes we need to harness more community participation in the next cycle
[02:38] <jsgotangco> (and me?)
[02:38] <ogra> flint, i counted you to the jelkner group :)
[02:38] <flint> the deal here is you need a test facility bigger than a laptop...
[02:38] <ogra> oh, yes and jsgotangco for the workstation :)
[02:38] <JaneW> we had a very limited (albeit dedicated) group this time
[02:38] <jsgotangco> (although i didn't test that much lately)
[02:38] <JaneW> THANKS to those that did help
[02:38] <flint> I just live in Jeffy's shadow :^(
[02:38] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:39] <ogra> we urgently need more volunteers and more testers, else i dont see a good dapper happen...
[02:39] <JaneW> jsgotangco: you got a laptop no? ;)
[02:39] <jsgotangco> hahahaha
[02:39] <JaneW> ogra: agreed
[02:39] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: I'm still waiting for one ;)
[02:39] <mhz> we should plan Edubuntu Tours (that is what we'll do in chile)
[02:39] <JaneW> ogra: we will have to do some cheerleading at ubz
[02:39] <ogra> yes :)
[02:39] <JaneW> ogra: you got a short skirt? ;)
[02:39] <JaneW> and pom poms?
[02:39] <ogra> i'll get one if needed :)
[02:39] <JaneW> heh
[02:39] <jsgotangco> urkk
[02:40] <ogra> i got two guinea pigs for that
[02:40] <ajmitch> heh :)
[02:40] <ogra> but i doubt i can bring them to UBZ :)
[02:40] <flint> We need more than cheerleaders (currently we have one as president of the US) we nee leadership
[02:40] <mhz> flint: LOL!
[02:40] <jsgotangco> i don't mind imagining JaneW...but ogra....
[02:40] <ogra> flint, i have no problem leading people :) but you need someone you can lead first :)
[02:40] <flint> the deal that elkner wants to put forward is one edubuntu release sometime in may.
[02:41] <ogra> nop
[02:41] <ogra> e
[02:41] <jsgotangco> april
[02:41] <JaneW> flint: it will be april
[02:41] <ogra> we are bound to ubuntu, that wont change
[02:41] <flint> I know you can tell the pioneer, he is the guy with an arrow in his back...
[02:41] <mhz> .oO( people observing this meeting can easily say "these guys have already finished release")
[02:41] <JaneW> flint: we are bound to the ubuntu release cycle
[02:41] <ogra> and i will heavily object to step away from the schedule...
[02:41] <jsgotangco> we can't do that
[02:41] <flint> I believe we need to consider the client, schools
[02:41] <jsgotangco> that's next to impossible
[02:41] <ajmitch> flint: releasing a month earlier is better than a month later
[02:41] <flint> ollie, i understand.
[02:42] <ogra> ajmitch, lol
[02:42] <jsgotangco> you'll have to ask canonical to do that as a premium
[02:42] <Kamion> one of the issues here is that if you try to do an Edubuntu release off the Ubuntu archive in May, the archive will be extremely unstable and basically unusable for releasing
[02:42] <Kamion> the only thing that could be done is to do some kind of release with dapper+dapper-updates; it couldn't work off the main development tree
[02:42] <flint> even mdz admits that the three products edubuntu kubuntu and ubuntu are separate distros
[02:42] <ogra> flint, notethat we'll have more people this cycle (if not we can give up anyway) and that we have more than 3.5 months this time
[02:42] <Kamion> but it would basically have to be finished bar a few bits of QA in April
[02:43] <JaneW> flint: ok this discussion is premature here, we need to get THIS release out first
[02:43] <Kamion> flint: mdz will also tell you that all three use the same archive
[02:43] <flint> the school year ends in may-june april would not be bad
[02:43] <ogra> Kamion, i dont want that and i will object to such plans
[02:43] <Kamion> ogra: nor do I particularly, I'm just saying that's basically the only possible option
[02:43] <flint> I hope to learn a whole lot about the build process at ubz
[02:43] <ajmitch> too much work, and you'd have a month of not being able to fix things in dapper for edubuntu
[02:43] <ogra> yup
[02:43] <jsgotangco> that would be crazy
[02:43] <jsgotangco> you'll drive ogra insane
[02:44] <ajmitch> -er
[02:44] <JaneW> ok are we done for requirements for tomorrow
[02:44] <mhz> jsgotangco: already is
[02:44] <JaneW> does everyone know what they are doing
[02:44] <mhz> :D
[02:44] <jsgotangco> we only need the champagne
[02:44] <ajmitch> JaneW: cheerleading?
[02:44] <JaneW> ogra and jsgotangco shall we talk more about announcements etc later?
[02:44] <jsgotangco> sure sure
[02:44] <highvoltage> JaneW: which wait screen?
[02:44] <ogra> flint, the problem this time was that everybody (including me) was not aware that we are bound this tight to ubuntus schedule... we're prepared next time based on experience and will handle it better
[02:44] <JaneW> highvoltage: the flying penguin thing... was a joke
[02:45] <ogra> JaneW, yup
[02:45] <flint> ollie you do very well, thanks.
[02:45] <JaneW> ok, we'll hold the champagne to tomorrow...
[02:45] <mhz> Dr. Oliver
[02:45] <ajmitch> is there anything that's needed to be done in universe that can be done quickly before the archive closes there?
[02:45] <jsgotangco> moodle?
[02:45] <ajmitch> Kamion: I presume universe will close a few hours before release, or close enough to it?
[02:45] <JaneW> ogra: is our CD going to be worthy of pressing?
[02:45] <ogra> and with actual six months and even only 2 developers more, we'll get a rocking release based on the one we have now...
[02:45] <flint> jane you are on drugs
[02:46] <JaneW> ogra: I rem you were concerned about that
[02:46] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: as it stands in universe, it works, the moodle work was to remove the wwwconfig-common dependency
[02:46] <JaneW> flint: can you tell!?
[02:46] <ogra> JaneW, i think you guys should test it and tell me if its worth the one opportunity we have for pressing...
[02:46] <flint> JaneW, I think that moodle would be a coup, is is possible?
[02:46] <ajmitch> flint: possible to do what?
[02:46] <Kamion> ajmitch: at some point breezy will become Untouchable, yes; I don't know exactly when; remember that the buildds need time to catch up with binary uploads, so sometime tonight might be reasonable
[02:46] <mhz> ogra: I've been trying to motivate one of the Tecnocimiento guys to help as developer but i still don't know yet
[02:46] <ogra> ajmitch, it needs security fixage, there is a CAN open
[02:46] <ajmitch> ah
[02:46] <JaneW> ogra: ok should we play it safe and get some reviews first?
[02:47] <ajmitch> ogra: you've told pitti?
[02:47] <flint> get it into edubuntu.  It is not there now as I recall
[02:47] <JaneW> ogra: would you be in fovour of holding the pressing option over to 6.04 if we don't have enough bling?
[02:47] <ogra> JaneW, yes... but i'd also like some feedback from some people in here ...
[02:47] <ajmitch> flint: *way* too late to get new packages in - it's in breezy universe
[02:47] <JaneW> ogra: I'd like to press, but only if we are confident of getting results and interest
[02:47] <ogra> JaneW, i'm sure 6.04 will rock he world, we have a very good base now
[02:48] <ogra> so if we really have only one pressed CD free, i'd postpone it to dapper...
[02:48] <flint> elkner (the worst case of version-itis ever) will have and iso to test later today
[02:48] <mhz> but then what will happen to the Chilean Edubuntu Tour :?
[02:48] <JaneW> ogra: ok I'll discuss with sabdfl
[02:48] <highvoltage> JaneW: ok
[02:49] <ogra> JaneW, feel free to invite me if you need help...
[02:49] <JaneW> can we carry on with the designs and I am still getting quotes, but can we make a final decision next wed (at meeting) whether to press or not?
[02:49] <flint> mhz I want to come and dance for Chile!
[02:49] <mhz> exactly
[02:49] <ajmitch> ogra: we need moodle 1.5.2 in universe before release?
[02:49] <ogra> JaneW, i would even go further and say lets prepare but decide it at UBZ
[02:50] <JaneW> ogra: that late?
[02:50] <jsgotangco> that's not too late really
[02:50] <JaneW> ogra: won;t be ready before Dec then
[02:50] <ogra> JaneW, to be sure we have some feedback...
[02:50] <ogra> its only 2 weeks
[02:50] <ajmitch> scary
[02:50] <JaneW> plus 2 weeks there
[02:50] <ajmitch> UBZ has crept up fast
[02:50] <JaneW> back mid nov
[02:50] <ogra> yup...
[02:50] <ogra> hmm
[02:50] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, like a shadow in the dark..
[02:50] <ajmitch> heh
[02:51] <jsgotangco> can't believe that was 6 months ago
[02:51] <ajmitch> was moodle in hoary universe?
[02:51] <JaneW> mhz: so do we have designs yet?
[02:51] <mhz> yes
[02:51] <ajmitch> hm
[02:52] <JaneW> mhz: cool! ???
[02:52] <mhz> yes1
[02:52] <ajmitch> so it's sitting there with security holes? *bad*
[02:52] <highvoltage> guys, I need to go, very pressed at the moment, but I ask that whoever has some time join #edubuntu in 3 hours, /me and hno73 will be polishing website/wiki, and input, comment and criticism will be appreciated.
[02:52] <flint> ajmitch, moodle is a killer ed application no doubt.
[02:52] <JaneW> highvoltage: awesome thanks, yes at 6 pm?
[02:52] <mhz> JaneW: Tonight, they'll be up on wiki for feedback
[02:52] <highvoltage> JaneW: yes, 18:00SAST. 16:00GMT
[02:52] <JaneW> mhz: super thanks I will take a look
[02:52] <JaneW> highvoltage: YAY
[02:52] <mhz> JaneW: however, we need a couple of things
[02:53] <JaneW> mhz: can you mail the ml for comment?
[02:53] <JaneW> mhz: yes?
[02:53] <flint> ajmitch, keep in mind that your average edubuntu cluster is isolated by definition, and the current security is way better than the old LTSP...
[02:53] <mhz> ml?
[02:53] <JaneW> mailing list
[02:53] <mhz> duh!
[02:53] <ajmitch> flint: it's still never good to have open security holes
[02:53] <mhz> sorry
[02:53] <flint> JaneW, How recursive, very clevar...
[02:54] <mhz> JaneW: we can't make the children look good (too much pixelized)
[02:54] <ajmitch> yay for manual 3-way merging
[02:54] <JaneW> flint: not getting burned again... a la wall paper debacle
[02:54] <flint> ajmitch, to paraphrase Jesus, security holes, like the poor, will always be with us...
[02:54] <JaneW> mhz: even reduced in size?
[02:54] <mhz> JaneW: and we would need to know which doc to use on slip covers
[02:54] <JaneW> mhz: doc?
[02:55] <mhz> JaneW: yes, yesterday we tried a diferent design and it seems that smaller will do
[02:55] <mhz> hhmm, what text has to be on the covers
[02:55] <jsgotangco> mhz, not that much i'd say we're in a tight budget
[02:55] <JaneW> mhz: oh I see, I think similar to what is on the ubuntu cover
[02:55] <mhz> for instance
[02:55] <JaneW> mhz: can you read it in the pdf?
[02:56] <mhz> ok, i'll use that then
[02:56] <JaneW> mhz: obviously amended for Edubuntu as appropriate
[02:56] <mhz> so no AboutEdubuntu or ReleaseNotes?
[02:56] <jsgotangco> goodness no!
[02:56] <mhz> lol
[02:56] <jsgotangco> they're 2 pages long!
[02:56] <JaneW> mhz: we only have a back and a front of the cover so there's not much space
[02:57] <mhz> we can always edit
[02:57] <flint> JaneW, mdz still hates the wall paper, I just worry about the install sequence
[02:57] <JaneW> mhz: it wont flap open like the current one does, as we only have the one CD
[02:57] <ajmitch> ogra: will probably get moodle 1.5.2 in 'real soon now'
[02:57] <ajmitch> although it'll take an age to upload the orig.tar.gz
[02:57] <JaneW> flint: a valid selection process was used.
[02:57] <mhz> jsgotangco: but can we use an edited wiki page?
[02:57] <ogra> flint, mdz hates the wallpaper ? ours ? 
[02:58] <jsgotangco> mhz, sure grab a line or two would do
[02:58] <ogra> flint, he never told me he doesnt likeit
[02:58] <mhz> ok
[02:58] <flint> ogra, ollie, mdz hates everything and knows diddly about graphics
[02:58] <Kamion> I thought it was sabdfl who hated it
[02:58] <JaneW> orga: in the e-mail he called it 'awful'
[02:58] <mhz> JaneW: I'll also wiki a page about the "concepts" we based the design on
[02:58] <jsgotangco> mhz, we can nitpick on the text when we see the cover
[02:58] <ogra> Kamion, nope, it was one user who complained on the ML
[02:58] <JaneW> mhz: thanks sounds great
[02:58] <ogra> Kamion, sabdfl only reacted
[02:58] <flint> this dog does not have to be pretty, it has to dance.
[02:58] <jsgotangco> last minute reaction
[02:59] <jsgotangco> flint, we just don't have time *really*
[02:59] <mhz> JaneW: so no one start yelling on Why did they use this color or Why he used this image, etc :)
[02:59] <mhz> they'll have to read first :D
[02:59] <mhz> and then yell
[02:59] <JaneW> the point is that was our top rated wall paper, if ppl didn;t like it why are they voting for it!??
[02:59] <mhz> hehhe, wise
[03:00] <JaneW> mhz: clever ;)
[03:00] <jsgotangco> my 4 year old likes it, that's my measure
[03:00] <mhz> jsgotangco: ys
[03:00] <JaneW> jsgotangco: ditto
[03:00] <flint> jsgotangco, I know this, I am kind of glad that mdz does not rave about our graphic choices, I was not excited about the patch policy :^)
[03:00] <ogra> JaneW, oh, he misunderstood me and i dont have a copy of mdz's original mail, only the quote
[03:00] <JaneW> ogra: me too
[03:01] <Kamion> ogra: I'm surprised mdz is paying any attention at all to Edubuntu graphics right now
[03:01] <mhz> Could we organize dapper release for Chile instead of Canada, Audtralia, Germany, etc?
[03:01] <flint> elkner has ideas about age relevant overlays that mod the graphics, this seems to be related to his opium use 
[03:01] <JaneW> anyway I posted to the ml, and we have been told the girl can stay
[03:01] <mhz> .o0(we could go rafting)
[03:01] <ogra> Kamion, i'm surprised by many things wrt mdz<->edubuntu :)
[03:01] <mhz> flint: lol
[03:01] <jsgotangco> mhz, i think that's too early to talk about atm and not part of the discussion...
[03:02] <JaneW> I still maintain that anyone who is old enough not to like the wallpaper, would know how to change it...
[03:02] <jsgotangco> yes
[03:02] <flint> mhz remember the Hindenberg docking Lakehurst NJ... that's me dancing... :^)
[03:02] <mhz> JaneW: or cn volunteer for changes
[03:02] <flint> JaneW, oh behave, I like your wallpaper
[03:02] <mhz> flint: lol again
[03:03] <ajmitch> ogra: any other changes you want slipped into moodle before I upload? 
[03:03] <ogra> nope
[03:03] <jsgotangco> quick add amarok..*grin*
[03:03] <flint> ajmitch, do you run the moodle package?
[03:03] <ajmitch> flint: no :P
[03:03] <jsgotangco> or pornview even
[03:04] <JaneW> sides I like to think of Edubuntu Girl as 'Jane of Edubuntu'
[03:04] <jsgotangco> you don't have pig tails
[03:04] <mhz> JaneW: Jane of Edward Ubunut :D
[03:04] <jsgotangco> you hair can't do pig tails
[03:04] <flint> JaneW, a serious take on joan of arc, note how she ended up.  Do you have a stake in this process? :^)
[03:05] <JaneW> flint: heh good point
[03:05] <JaneW> jsgotangco: it's getting long enough to...
[03:05] <jsgotangco> soo educoool...
[03:06] <flint> ajmitch, do you know who does run moodle?  The reason I ask is that moodle is very important to our project.
[03:06] <ajmitch> flint: how would knowing who runs moodle help you?
[03:06] <mhz> jsgotangco: hahaha
[03:07] <JaneW> jsgotangco: http://www.flickr.com/photos/13916877@N00/48973686/
[03:07] <flint> ajmitch, I am interested in getting moodle and schooltool "breathing"
[03:07] <jsgotangco> well the schooltool people are getting involved...
[03:07] <ajmitch> ok
[03:07] <flint> ajmitch, by breathing, if one could exhale data and the other inhale the same data it would be a good thing...
[03:08] <JaneW> ok did anyone not get a chance to update/speak up?
[03:08] <flint> ajmitch, moodle is a great tool for running a classroom.  schooltool is a great tool for running a school, see the deal?
[03:09] <flint> JaneW, indeed off topic, sorry...
[03:09] <mhz> JaneW: mdz did not
[03:09] <mhz> :)
[03:09] <flint> mhz whad to you mean "sometimes"... :^)
[03:10] <mhz> hehehehe
[03:10] <jsgotangco> ok do we hvae anything else?
[03:10] <mhz> JaneW: who is JanC ?
[03:10] <flint> ogra, cry havoc and let loose the dogs of EDUBUNTU
[03:11] <JanC> mhz ?  :)
[03:11] <flint> JaneW, nice pix of you and the young one.  But you are getting stoned in the picture...
[03:11] <ajmitch> haha
[03:11] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[03:12] <flint> seriously Griffin does look cute...
[03:13] <mhz> JanC: sorry but it's true, I always autocomplete for JaneW but I get JanC instead :D
[03:13] <flint> next week is our post mortem eh janeW?
[03:14] <mhz> JaneW: when will cd printing be decided?
[03:14] <flint> has anyone looked at elkners wish (bitch) list (http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDapperGoals)?
[03:14] <jsgotangco> when we have a cover!
[03:14] <jsgotangco> elkner has a goal?
[03:14] <flint> he is really trying to do documentation, I am hindering his every step...
[03:15] <flint> jsgotangco, you do know elkner, that is for sure.
[03:15] <mhz> flint: help him develop Moin skills
[03:15] <ogra> flint, its all covered on the BOF list already
[03:15] <ogra> (jelkners whishlist)
[03:15] <mhz> jsgotangco: you can also get mean :D
[03:16] <flint> jsgotangco, I really consider him the architype of educators he lives in the present (completely :^).
[03:16] <mhz> ogra: what time is it betta to find jelkner?
[03:16] <flint> jsgotangco, educators breed a.d.d..
[03:16] <ogra> i guess your timezones are nearby...
[03:16] <jsgotangco> ugghh
[03:17] <flint> mhz after his last class at 14:30 EDT
[03:17] <flint> mhz, thus I become his insolent proxy.
[03:17] <mhz> JaneW: does it say Breezy on that t-shirt you are wearing?
[03:17] <flint> JaneW, mhz is right! we need t-shirts!!!!!
[03:18] <jsgotangco> no that's Ziggy
[03:18] <mhz> flint: you're sure you dont have latin DNA in your blood?
[03:18] <flint> mhz, lol
[03:18] <flint> mhz, verimente!
[03:19] <mhz> JaneW: Quin does not need edubuntu at all, he already is educated :D
[03:19] <flint> JaneW, email me a graphic, how many and what size?  this will freak them  out at ubz...
[03:19] <mhz> flint: i want a couple for tecnocimiento gang :D
[03:20] <mhz> pleeeeeeaaaaassseeeeee
[03:20] <flint> JaneW, could I duplicate that orange from the desktop to a tee?
[03:20] <flint> JaneW, I mean that in jest (somewhat :^)
[03:21] <flint> JaneW, I would do this just to piss off mdz...
[03:22] <flint> mhz, my only requirement is that the tees have nerd pockets.
[03:23] <mhz> lol, you latin boy
[03:23] <flint> mhz, orange irish actually, just spent too much time as an altar boy...
[03:24] <mhz> hehehe, still are an altar boy, just that now you are an altar jelkner proxy
[03:25] <flint> JaneW, has the whole orange tee shirt thing sent you into a case of FITS?  respond if you can...
[03:25] <flint> you can call me boy, you can call me joy, just do not call me late to dinner....
[03:27] <jsgotangco> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/13248757/in/set-367688/ -> 1st Edubuntu BOF during UDU
[03:27] <ogra> wow, i didnt even think about edubuntu at UDU
[03:27] <flint> JaneW, Flint Induced Tourette's Syndrome (FITS) is a powerful disease, please fit it and respond...  
[03:27] <jsgotangco> ogra, i got lost back then...
[03:28] <flint> excellent picture of elkner's ass...
[03:28] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[03:28] <ogra> looks like either her line dropped or she is busy...
[03:28] <flint> ogra, I am betting on FITS.  what about tee shirts for ubz, say about a dozen?
[03:29] <ogra> feel free to produce some :) 
[03:29] <jsgotangco> i gotta sleep too
[03:29] <flint> ogra, does edubuntu have a mascot.  I want a puppy!!!
[03:29] <jsgotangco> (early for tommorow)
[03:29] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: it's early there!
[03:29] <ajmitch> ogra: yeah, is someone bringing MOTU shirts?
[03:30] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, right, i need a smoke then
[03:30] <flint> but edubuntu tees will have a nerd pocket.
[03:30] <ajmitch> flint: but MOTU is the supreme honour
[03:30] <jsgotangco> higher than baby jesus?
[03:31] <ogra> ajmitch, i dont know, dholbah was talking about Kamin fanboy, mdz groupie and MOTU shirts... ltsp already asked for my size, now a edubuntu shirt and i have enough for one year ;)
[03:31] <ajmitch> haha
[03:31] <flint> ajmitch, I agree 
[03:31] <jsgotangco> then you dont have to bring shirts in montreal
[03:31] <ogra> i think the first tw he actually planned to do by hand... 
[03:31] <ogra> *two
[03:32] <flint> I need an mdz groupie shirt in XXXXL!
[03:32] <ogra> heh
[03:32] <ajmitch> we'd need to be in the group photo by Kamion & mdz wearing those shirts :)
[03:33] <flint> each wearing the others... that's poetry.
[03:34] <jsgotangco> ok i guess that's it wife calls for husband duties....
[03:35] <flint> Good meeting.  I also gotta get going.  Duty calls us all.
[03:36] <flint> ogra, anything else?
[03:36] <ogra> nope, lets have a release, even if its warty as hell :)
[03:36] <flint> doggy not warty...
[03:36] <ogra> heh
[03:36] <ogra> ok, doggy
[03:36] <flint> later...bye
[03:37] <ogra> bye
[03:37] <jsgotangco> we'll get creamed for sure on some issues, but people will still use it
[03:37] <Seveas> when's the next edubuntu meeting?
[03:37] <ogra> good question... if in doubt, same time, same place next week
[03:38] <jsgotangco> and #edubuntu will have that as a topic for sure
[03:38] <ogra> yup
[03:40] <mhz> Seveas: and remember the log of this meeting is held somewhere ogra can tell you :)
[03:41] <ogra> mhz, Seveas knows for sure where they are... ;)
[03:41] <ogra> Seveas, just set it to next wed. 12:00 UTC
[03:42] <ogra> (19th)
[03:46] <Seveas> ogra bad :)
[03:46] <ogra> why ? 
[03:46] <Seveas> !meeting set Edubuntu 19 Oct 12:00
[03:46] <Seveas> meh
[03:46] <ogra> !meeting set Edubuntu 18 Oct 12:00
[03:47] <ogra> !meeting set Edubuntu 19 Oct 12:00
[03:47] <ajmitch> Seveas: people are free to set the topic as they see fit instead of playing with your toys :P
[03:47] <Seveas> ajmitch, true, but I like to keep his database consistent :)
[03:47] <Kamion> it should update its database when people set the topic manually
[03:47] <Seveas> true
[03:50] <ogra> and it should update the wiki calendar and the ical file there ;)
[03:50] <Seveas> well, I was planning to make it use the ical file to update this place :)
[03:53] <mhz> ogra: so i assume meeting is off?
[03:53] <ogra> mhz, yup