[12:47] <dholbach> so how's the universe fixing going?
[12:47] <ajmitch> it's not
[12:47] <dholbach> sistpoty: is having fun with seahorse
[12:47] <dholbach> i'm fiddling with deskbar-applet
[12:47] <dholbach> that's at least something :)
[12:48] <ajmitch> heh
[12:48] <dholbach> i guess i'll do 3-4 reviews and push somebody else to check the 1-vote-items
[12:48] <dholbach> so elmo will get a final NEW list
[12:48] <dholbach> and he'll do the apt-get.org import
[12:48] <ajmitch> scary
[12:48] <dholbach> and then the rest of time is for FTBFSing
[12:48] <dholbach> and then the rest of time is for DE-FTBFSing
[12:49] <ajmitch> when do you want those reviews done?
[12:49] <dholbach> soonish
[12:49] <dholbach> dunno
[12:49] <ajmitch> ok
[12:49] <dholbach> we'll just try
[12:49] <ajmitch> I can work on them in 8 hours
[12:49] <dholbach> i guess i'll get up at that time again
[12:49] <dholbach> and do some test-installs
[12:49] <ajmitch> hm
[12:50] <dholbach> of the daily-to-get-gold-cd
[12:50] <ajmitch> sorry I can't help more at the moment
[12:50] <dholbach> don't worry
[12:50] <dholbach> you already did a lot in this cycle
[12:50] <ajmitch> finish off a postinst for socks4, and upload gringotts..
[12:50] <ajmitch> oh, and fix up python-4suite having missing files
[12:50] <dholbach> oh i see
[12:51] <ajmitch> those are the ones currently open in screen ;)
[12:51] <ajmitch> and look at an apache pam module..
[12:52] <dholbach> i'm not pushing you :))
[12:52] <ajmitch> I need a good push though
[12:52] <ajmitch> I haven't done much in this last week
[12:52] <ajmitch> 1 upload in the last 3 days, I think :)
[12:52] <dholbach> "not much time left" should be good enough - push-wise
[12:53] <dholbach> :)
[12:53] <dholbach> what shall i say?
[12:53] <dholbach> not much uploading/fixing
[12:53] <dholbach> more bug triaging
[12:53] <ajmitch> 'get moving you slackers!'
[12:53] <ajmitch> ?
[12:53] <tseng> you assigned me like 10 bugs
[12:53] <tseng> that wont be fixed
[12:53] <tseng> good job
[12:53] <dholbach> :)
[12:54] <dholbach> sorry for that
[12:54] <ajmitch> yay, launchpad system errors again
[12:54] <sistpoty> ajmitch: would you mind uploading umfpack for rebuild? (builds fine on i386)
[12:55] <ajmitch> hm?
[12:55] <ajmitch> you can't upload?
[12:55] <sistpoty> ajmitch: no, i'm no motu yet ;)
[12:55] <dholbach> it's a shame
[12:55] <ajmitch> how annoying
[12:55] <sistpoty> last TB had no quorum
[12:57] <ajmitch> anyone else up for an upload? I have to head out in about 2 minutes
[12:57] <sistpoty> kk, maybe s.o. else wants to do this? (atlas3 was synced...)
[12:57] <sistpoty> hehe
[12:57] <ajmitch> and I will be back in maybe 2 hours
[12:57] <dholbach> see you
[12:57] <ajmitch> right, bbl :)
[01:04] <Mez> siertart: ping
[01:04] <Mez> siretart *
[01:05] <dholbach> he'll be fast asleep
[01:05] <dholbach> i guess
[01:05] <sistpoty> Mez: s.th. with revu?
[01:05] <dholbach> after tough learning
[01:05] <sistpoty> yep
[01:07] <Mez> sistpoty - see /query
[01:08] <sistpoty> Mez: i have no query from you yet...
[01:09] <Mez> got it now?
[01:09] <ogra> Mez, are you registered  ?
[01:09] <sistpoty> yep
[01:10] <Mez> ogra: wasnt before :D
[01:10] <ogra> :=
[01:10] <ogra> )
[01:15] <dholbach> sistpoty: still want something uploaded?
[01:15] <HiddenWolf> is any work being done on getting decent lighthttpd in universe?
[01:15] <dholbach> HiddenWolf: we're some hours before release :)
[01:15] <HiddenWolf> dholbach, duh. :)
[01:15] <sistpoty> dholbach: yep... umfpack needs a rebuild due to atlas3 sync
[01:16] <dholbach> HiddenWolf: it's on revu though
[01:16] <HiddenWolf> dholbach, i'm asking if work is being done, not if it's for universe. :P
[01:16] <sistpoty> dholbach: worked fine on i386
[01:16] <dholbach> HiddenWolf: seems to still need love
[01:16] <dholbach> sistpoty: rock
[01:16] <dholbach> sistpoty: still have a look
[01:17] <dholbach> sistpoty: shall i do the rebuild? have a debdiff?
[01:18] <Mez> \sh: ping
[01:18] <dholbach> sistpoty: i'll do it
[01:18] <HiddenWolf> dholbach, :(
[01:18] <dholbach> Mez: he's in bed too - had a bad day
[01:18] <dholbach> HiddenWolf: i suppose it'll go in early dapper
[01:18] <Mez> ah, fair enough
[01:18] <HiddenWolf> dholbach, now that's nice
[01:19] <sistpoty> dholbach: haven't got a debdiff, since it's a mere rebuild only
[01:19] <dholbach> ok
[01:19] <dholbach> i'll do it
[01:19] <dholbach> sistpoty: done
[01:20] <dholbach> i'll do some revuing
[01:20] <dholbach> crimsun: oooooh, vlc pleasure :)
[01:21] <sistpoty> dholbach: got some seahorse for you: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/seahorse-0510111910/seahorse_0.8-0ubuntu1_i386.otherextension (<-- deb)
[01:21] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: hi
[01:21] <dholbach> hey ankur!
[01:21] <dholbach> man! how are you?
[01:21] <Unfrgiven> how are you
[01:22] <dholbach> i asked first
[01:22] <dholbach> :-p
[01:24] <Unfrgiven> im doing well... been very busy. was out of town for the weekend... lifes been very busy
[01:24] <dholbach> of... where have you been?
[01:24] <dholbach> "town" he says... :)
[01:25] <dholbach> i've been quite busy too
[01:25] <dholbach> and still am
[01:25] <Unfrgiven> melbourne :)
[01:26] <dholbach> in a couple of hours, we'll release breezy
[01:26] <Unfrgiven> isnt it the 13th?
[01:26] <Unfrgiven> thats why im here. ive been frantically trying to wrpa up the intro developer docs
[01:26] <crimsun> dholbach: yeah, the gotcha will be the the ffmpeg not being enabled with xvid support. Lots of people are whining about it.
[01:27] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: are they to be shipped as a package?
[01:27] <Unfrgiven> i need a hand packaging it actually
[01:27] <Mez> night all
[01:27] <crimsun> 'night
[01:27] <dholbach> crimsun: oh yeah, i read abuot it in some bugreport
[01:27] <dholbach> sleep tight crimsun
[01:27] <crimsun> (for Mez ;-)
[01:27] <sistpoty> gn8 crimsun
[01:27] <Mez> :p
[01:28] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:28] <sistpoty> gn8 Mez
[01:28] <dholbach> ah ok
[01:28] <dholbach> night Mez :)
[01:28] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: ideally yes
[01:28] <dholbach> then better get going :)
[01:29] <dholbach> you could look at ubuntu-docs package
[01:29] <dholbach> i can take a peek at it
[01:29] <Unfrgiven> dholbach:  most of the doc is written up. tonight i want to write up a "worked example" and it should be done
[01:29] <dholbach> ok
[01:29] <sistpoty> args... need to reboot... will be back soon
[01:29] <dholbach> see you sistpoty
[01:29] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: i was thinking that it would be good to have the document in iniverse  for breezy. in dapper we should move it to main. what you you think?
[01:29] <dholbach> sistpoty: seahours looks GOOD
[01:29] <sistpoty> thx dholbach
[01:30] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: do you mind doing a review? are you busy atm?
[01:30] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: yes i am
[01:30] <dholbach> i could look at the package
[01:30] <sistpoty> dholbach: i can't verify the bug... is this some gnome extension stuff i don't have (since i run kde)?
[01:30] <dholbach> but not double check the actual text :(
[01:30] <dholbach> sistpoty: oh i see
[01:30] <dholbach> sistpoty: it works for me now
[01:30] <sistpoty> cool
[01:30] <Unfrgiven> any other motu free at the moment to do a review?
[01:31] <dholbach> sistpoty: so if play a bit with it, we should be able to upload
[01:31] <sistpoty> rock! :)
[01:31] <sistpoty> <-- is back soon ;)
[01:32] <Unfrgiven> leave me a message if you can review the intro developer docs. i've got to duck away to a meeting now. will be back soon.
[01:32] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: you could upload to REVU
[01:32] <dholbach> so other could take a peek too
[01:32] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[01:32] <dholbach> i could upload for you too
[01:49] <bigcx2> hey all
[01:49] <dholbach> hi bigcx2
[01:49] <bigcx2> does anyone in here run amd64
[01:49] <dholbach> yes
[01:50] <bigcx2> dholbach: would that be you
[01:50] <bigcx2> ?
[01:50] <dholbach> just ask your question
[01:50] <dholbach> :)
[01:50] <bigcx2> lol ok
[01:50] <bigcx2> well i just pulled i release candidate iso off ubuntu's site and it's failing miserably
[01:51] <bigcx2> for breezy (obviously)
[01:51] <dholbach> that's not an #ubuntu-motu question
[01:51] <dholbach> but how does it fail, anyhow?
[01:51] <bigcx2> yea i figured
[01:51] <bigcx2> i  was just wonderin if anyone in here got it to work
[01:51] <bigcx2> umm
[01:52] <dholbach> yeah
[01:52] <dholbach> i did
[01:52] <dholbach> how does it fail?
[01:52] <ogra> whats the error ?
[01:52] <bigcx2> it fails when debootstrapping
[01:52] <dholbach> could be a burn
[01:52] <bigcx2> did you install by cd or did you dist-upgrade?
[01:53] <bigcx2> i dunno i've burnt a couple
[01:53] <dholbach> both
[01:53] <bigcx2> it poops out on the same thing every time
[01:53] <dholbach> several times
[01:53] <bigcx2> ok
[01:53] <bigcx2> it must be bad cd's then
[01:53] <dholbach> you could try pulling down the daily
[01:53] <dholbach> the current one
[01:54] <bigcx2> from where
[01:54] <ogra> bigcx2, how fast do you burn them ?
[01:54] <bigcx2> 16x
[01:54] <ogra> never ever use more than 8x for a bootable that contains compressed files ;)
[01:54] <ogra> i'd rather take 4x
[01:55] <bigcx2> hmm never had any problems with stuff like that before
[01:55] <bigcx2> but it makes sense
[01:55] <bigcx2> alright i'll give that a shot
[01:55] <bigcx2> thanks
[01:56] <HiddenWolf> I'm a bit anxious about breezy
[01:56] <dholbach> why is that?
[01:56] <HiddenWolf> I'm porting my roomie's old laptop to xubuntu tomorrow
[01:56] <HiddenWolf> Hoping it'll be well
[01:56] <HiddenWolf> Now it's got ubuntu-desktop installed, with xfce4 packages and abiword, but it's not ideal.
[01:57] <sistpoty> re
[01:57] <dholbach> wb sistpoty
[01:57] <tritium> hi dholbach
[01:57] <dholbach> tritium: hi michael
[01:57] <tritium> hey trulux.  Long time no see
[01:58] <trulux> tritium: hey!
[01:58] <ajmitch> hi
[01:58] <trulux> tritium: how's it going?
[01:58] <trulux> ajmitch: hi :)
[01:58] <tritium> hi ajmitch :)
[01:58] <tritium> trulux, not bad.  You?
[01:58] <trulux> tritium: tired, getting back to work after flu
[01:58] <dholbach> i'm tired too
[01:58] <tritium> oh, sorry to hear you were sick
[01:58] <dholbach> i'll get to bad
[01:58] <dholbach> bed
[01:59] <dholbach> and get back in a couple of hours
[01:59] <tritium> sleep well, dholbach
[01:59] <ajmitch> dholbach: insomniac :)
[01:59] <dholbach> good night guys
[01:59] <dholbach> :)
[01:59] <sistpoty> gn8 dholbach
[02:00] <dholbach> night :)
[02:00] <bigcx2> night
[02:03] <Riddell> do we know when universe closes?
[02:03] <ajmitch> release day
[02:03] <ajmitch> depends on when the buildds stop
[02:03] <dholbach> some hours before announce
[02:03] <dholbach> last time i uploaded until 4 and the release was announced at 10
[02:03] <ajmitch> whenever they let the last dholbach upload in
[02:03] <dholbach> but dunno how they handle it this time
[02:03] <dholbach> haha :)
[02:04] <ajmitch> anyway, time to see if I have a meeting
[02:06] <Totem> hello
[02:06] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: hey dude
[02:07] <ajmitch> hey Unfrgiven
[02:07] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: you have docs for us?
[02:08] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: yes :) you able to review?
[02:08] <ajmitch> yes, very good to hear of docs  :)
[02:09] <Unfrgiven> waj	can i e-mail them to you? im currently flat out at work. life has been too hectic lately
[02:09] <Unfrgiven> ill needf a hand getting them packagfed. as im at work and not able to do them right now.
[02:09] <Unfrgiven> uggh... what happened there.
[02:10] <ajmitch> email them
[02:10] <ajmitch> ajmitch@ubuntu.com
[02:10] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: address?
[02:11] <ajmitch> ^
[02:11] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: ta. oooh. have they started out giving ubuntu addresses to members?
[02:11] <ajmitch> yes
[02:11] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: sorry im on a slow link atm. messages arriving slowly
[02:11] <ajmitch> assuming that you've signed the CoC on launchpad
[02:11] <ajmitch> and are in the ubuntu members group on LP
[02:13] <ajmitch> so get the CoC signed asap :)
[02:14] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch:  sent the docs
[02:14] <Unfrgiven> the worked example section is incomplet as is the patching one.
[02:14] <ajmitch> thanks
[02:14] <Unfrgiven> but the rest should be fine.
[02:21] <Totem> can someone tell me how I should request smbfs for breezy?
[02:22] <ajmitch> what do you mean, request it?
[02:22] <ajmitch> seeing as breezy release is ~2 days away
[02:23] <Totem> well it doesn't exist, and I don't know how to create the package heh
[02:23] <ajmitch>      smbfs | 3.0.14a-6ubuntu1 | http://10.18.1.1 breezy/main Packages
[02:23] <tseng> you missed the boat
[02:23] <ogra> its a kernel module
[02:23] <ajmitch> it's a package as well, and it's in main
[02:23] <Totem> figures  ;)
[02:23] <ogra> oh, there is also a package, heh
[02:23] <ajmitch> ogra: yeah, for smbmount, etc :)
[02:24] <ajmitch> trips up a few users if they don't have it
[02:24] <ajmitch> Totem: why did you say it doesn't exist?
[02:24] <Totem> I must need to update my repsitories list
[02:24] <Totem> I only see 3.0.10
[02:24] <ogra> sftp rules ! ssh for everything !!
[02:25] <ajmitch> Totem: 3.0.10 was current for hoary
[02:25] <tseng> ogra++
[02:25] <ajmitch> 3.0.14 has been in breezy since at least may
[02:25] <Totem> and I upgraded to breezy
[02:25] <Totem> but I only have one binary repository in my list
[02:25] <Totem> for breezy that is
[02:26] <ajmitch> ogra: hm, maybe not :)
[02:26] <ogra> ajmitch, ?
[02:26] <Totem> hmm okay I'm an idiot
[02:26] <Totem> it is my CD!
[02:26] <ogra> ajmitch, why should i not fix the sound situation in ltsp ?
[02:26] <Totem> let me rephrase my question: can someone help me add breezy repositories?
[02:27] <ajmitch> Totem: #ubuntu can help you
[02:27] <Totem> thanks
[02:27] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: got the file yet?
[02:27] <ajmitch> nope
[02:27] <ogra> ajmitch, if a whole X session gets through a 10Mbit in full color without any slowness... why shouldnt a compressed audio stream do the same ;)
[02:28] <ajmitch> ogra: small amounts of jitter are noticable with audio
[02:29] <ajmitch> depends on if you have a few ms of buffering
[02:29] <ajmitch> and if there's any latency
[02:29] <ajmitch> I imagine it should be fine
[02:29] <ogra> ajmitch, imagine to encode all sound in ogg in the server and decode it on the client... theora is able to do such stuff
[02:29] <plugwash> with audio there is always a comprimise between latency and smoothness
[02:29] <plugwash> even on a single pc
[02:29] <plugwash> and it'll be even worse on a network
[02:30] <ajmitch> I just think it'd show up more on an ssh tunnel
[02:30] <ogra> yup, you cant make it high quality dolby surround indeed... but all curent solutions for ltsp are worse
[02:30] <ajmitch> true
[02:30] <plugwash> ogra you CAN make it high quality surround sound
[02:31] <plugwash> provided you are prepared to put up with some significant latency in your sound
[02:31] <ajmitch> and I don't know if I would run audio over my 802.11g network  :)
[02:31] <ogra> i.e. esd listening on tcp for true wavs ;)
[02:31] <ogra> ajmitch, you cant even boot ltsp via wlan
[02:31] <ajmitch> unfortunate :)
[02:31] <ajmitch> that must be fixed for dapper! :)
[02:32] <ogra> might be possible with a small image n the client, but no standard ltsp
[02:32] <ogra> thumb drive boot !!
[02:32] <ajmitch> yeah!
[02:32] <ogra> lets make a BOF about it
[02:32] <ajmitch> I'll boot off my digitial camera!
[02:32] <ogra> cool idea...
[02:32] <ajmitch> it has a 256MB card now
[02:32] <ajmitch> plenty of space for UBZ photos & a kernel
[02:33] <ogra> i thin 4-5 would suffice for an initramfs
[02:33] <bigcx2> ogra: i burnt it again @ 4x this time and still no luck
[02:33] <bigcx2> same error
[02:33] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: try getting the doc from here http://ankur.ath.cx/ubuntu/IntroDeveloperDoc_v0.05.odt
[02:33] <ogra> what error, at which state of the install ?
[02:34] <bigcx2> base install....debootstrap returns and error value of 1
[02:34] <bigcx2> before it fails
[02:34] <ogra> hmm, but that really sonds corrupt... did you check the md5sum ?
[02:34] <bigcx2> yea
[02:34] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: open with what?
[02:35] <bigcx2> this sucks
[02:35] <Unfrgiven> ooo.org
[02:35] <ajmitch> 1.x?
[02:35] <bigcx2> is there anywhere else i could grab the latest iso from
[02:35] <ogra> bigcx2, yes, since everyone else seems to happy install the recent isos
[02:36] <ogra> cdimage.ubuntu.com, i wouldnt know a more recent place
[02:36] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: since it didn't open with 1.1.4
[02:36] <bigcx2> alright
[02:36] <Unfrgiven> ooo.org 2. isnt that standard in breezy?
[02:37] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: yes, but I'm at work & on windows :P
[02:37] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: oh right....
[02:38] <ajmitch> ergh, my mailman upgrade broke
[02:39] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: i  too am at work. ill do another upload/email tonight when i get home.
[02:39] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: right now i really should do some work :)
[02:40] <ajmitch> same
[03:15] <LaserJock> hiya bddebian
[03:16] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[03:18] <LaserJock> well, I sent an email to upload@ubuntulinux.org but I don't know how long that is supposed to take
[03:20] <bddebian> LaserJock: Unfortunately at this point in the game they are probably swamped trying to get Breezy out.
[03:20] <bddebian> Don't feel bad, my machine died today.. :'-(
[03:20] <LaserJock> oh no
[03:22] <LaserJock> bddebian: how bad is it?
[03:23] <ajmitch> swamped is an understatement
[03:23] <ajmitch> mdz will probably go without sleep until the release, knowing him
[03:23] <bddebian> Dead HD :-(
[03:23] <LaserJock> so Breezy is only 2 days away, right?
[03:23] <ajmitch> yes
[03:24] <LaserJock> bddebian: did you lose anything or is it just lost time?
[03:25] <bddebian> LaserJock: Both :-)
[03:25] <LaserJock> bummer
[03:26] <marcin_ant> hmm I'm just realized that I didn't any backups for some (quite long) time...
[03:29] <ajmitch> bddebian: how dead is it?
[03:30] <bddebian> I'm putting in the new one right now if that tells you anything :-)
[03:30] <bddebian> Good time to try the 5.10 CD eh? ;-)
[03:32] <ajmitch> yeah
[03:32] <ajmitch> you still have your gpg key?
[03:34] <bddebian> Yeah, it's on this machine
[03:34] <LaserJock> does anybody know why there is libxpm-dev when all the other packages are libxpm4 ?
[03:34] <ogra> bddebian, burn it to CD before this machine dies too...
[03:35] <ogra> brb
[03:35] <bddebian> ogra: Good plan :-)
[03:37] <bddebian> Nothing quite like downloading 650Mb in about 10 mins.. :-)
[03:38] <LaserJock> oohh, man sometimes on my computer at school I can get an iso in 1.5 min
[03:38] <ajmitch> 10 hours is closer to what I'd get
[03:38] <bddebian> Damn..  T3?
[03:39] <bddebian> OC48?
[03:39] <LaserJock> yep, but I have to connect to another close university to get that though
[03:39] <xhaker> ok.. my university mirrors some distros so i can get even faster than you.. not ubuntu tho
[03:39] <xhaker> how would i go about approaching them to mirror?
[03:40] <xhaker> "to mirror" as in "setup a mirror"
[03:41] <sistpoty> gn8 folks
[03:56] <chillywilly> how goes it people?
[03:56] <chillywilly> getting ready for a release? :)
[03:56] <ajmitch> no
[03:57] <ajmitch> having a holiday
[03:57] <chillywilly> who is?
[03:57] <chillywilly> you?
[03:57] <bddebian> Hehe
[03:57] <ajmitch> yes
[03:57] <ajmitch> and bddebian decided to as well
[03:57] <chillywilly> you're always on holiday ajmitch ;)
[03:57] <chillywilly> ya lazy sob ;)
[03:57] <chillywilly> ANYWAY
[03:57] <ajmitch> yes
[03:57] <ajmitch> I am
[03:58] <chillywilly> I am pretty excited about the release
[03:58] <chillywilly> go go gadget Ubuntu!
[03:58] <ajmitch> it won't be too different for me
[03:58] <chillywilly> well I get to upgrade my big ol' servers
[03:58] <ajmitch> since I haven't been running hoary
[03:58] <chillywilly> that'll be fun...
[03:59] <chillywilly> I was thinking about switching them over the other day but I am just going to wait until it is "official"
[03:59] <chillywilly> I have breezy on my home and work desktops
[04:00] <ajmitch> hey jsgotangco
[04:00] <ajmitch> how's it going?
[04:00] <jsgotangco> hi ho
[04:01] <jsgotangco> i woke up late heh
[04:01] <chillywilly> suck slackers around here ;)
[04:01] <chillywilly> such*
[04:01] <LaserJock> checking for a Motif >= 1002 compatible API... no
[04:01] <LaserJock> configure: error: M*tif has not been found
[04:02] <bddebian> LaserJock: Doesn't that SUCK :-)
[04:02] <bddebian> chillywilly: My machine died :-(
[04:02] <chillywilly> resurrect it ;)
[04:02] <chillywilly> hurry! ;)
[04:02] <LaserJock> bddebian: what does it need?
[04:02] <ajmitch> lesstif? :)
[04:03] <bddebian> LaserJock: I don't know.  I found two packages with that error and couldn't find anything new enough.  lesstif is supposed to provide it
[04:04] <LaserJock> yeah, I have lesstif2-dev as a build dep
[04:07] <LaserJock> what about libmotif-dev ?
[04:07] <bddebian> FUCK, it won't boot off the CD .. :-(
[04:10] <LaserJock> so should I forget it do you think?
[04:10] <bddebian> No, you should fix it ;-P
[04:11] <LaserJock> well, I would like too
[04:15] <ogra_edu_xu> crimsun, xfce doesnt start xscreensaver ?
[04:22] <bddebian> Now we're cookin/
[04:22] <Kyral> I hope it tastes good...
[04:22] <bddebian> Tastes like chicken
[04:22] <Kyral> Pfft! Gimme a slab of beef
[04:24] <bddebian> I thought all you commie free software types had to be vegetarians? ;-P
[04:27] <ajmitch> nah
[04:27] <ajmitch> is our glorious leader RMS a vegetarian?
[04:29] <bddebian> Probably :-)
[04:44] <wickedpuppy> linus ?
[05:08] <crimsun> ogra: no, it doesn't depend on it
[05:09] <ogra> crimsun, its a bit strange, since nothing happens if you click the lock icon...
[05:09] <bddebian> OK, I'm sitting here on Preparing for Installation.. How long should I wait??
[05:10] <crimsun> ogra: please file a bug in Malone, and we'll assign it to MOTUXfce. Thanks!
[05:17] <LaserJock> quick question, how do you tell what arch's a new upload has built ok on?
[05:19] <bddebian> LaserJock: http://people.ubuntu.com/buildLogs/   He has them by arch
[05:19] <LaserJock> ok, thanks bddebian
[05:20] <tritium> bddebian, there's no ~person in that URL?
[05:21] <LaserJock> I think it might be ~lamont maybe?
[05:21] <bddebian> Heh, whoops, yeah
[05:21] <ajmitch> yay, cd downloads stopped
[05:21] <jsgotangco> ahaha
[05:22] <jsgotangco> elmo turned off ubuntu.com
[05:22] <ajmitch> yep
[05:22] <ajmitch> I cannae feed my addiction!
[05:22] <tritium> what's the shutoff for?
[05:22] <ajmitch> 'emergency network maintenance'
[05:22] <ajmitch> probably router on fire or something :)
[05:22] <tritium> oh
[05:24] <tritium> jsgotangco, you'll like my latest fix to wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat
[05:24] <ajmitch> my flatmates will love me for getting the internet connection shaped to 64Kbps
[05:24] <ajmitch> tritium: we will once we can see it
[05:24] <tritium> yep
[05:59] <ajmitch> oh man
[06:02] <xhaker> all down again
[06:02] <xhaker> :
[06:03] <ajmitch> nope
[06:03] <ajmitch> since I'm still fetching cd images for testing
[06:05] <xhaker> pretty wierd thing happened now.. tou said you could not access the fridge.. so i tryed acessing ubuntu.com.. got refused.. so i replyed back at you just to find i was disconnected from my wireless connection due to a firmware error..
[06:06] <xhaker> and after the automatic wifi reconnect i'm here.. wasn't even disconnected
[06:12] <tritium> ajmitch, where is the fridge, anyway?
[06:13] <jsgotangco> fridge.ubuntu.com
[06:13] <jsgotangco> it seems down still...
[06:13] <tritium> I've never seen it...
[06:14] <jsgotangco> oh its quite cool already
[06:14] <tritium> I'll check it out
[07:09] <\sh> moins
[07:12] <ajmitch> morning \sh
[07:12] <sivang> \sh: Guten Morgen
[07:17] <\sh> oh my head...good morning
[07:37] <zakame> hi all!
[07:38] <CaiN_SA> good morning
[07:38] <Burgundavia> CaiN_SA, you are an ImpiLinux dev, no?
[07:38] <CaiN_SA> yeh
[07:39] <CaiN_SA> y
[08:23] <dholbach> good morning
[08:24] <zakame> good afternoon dholbach
[08:24] <dholbach> hey :)
[08:24] <jsgotangco> hey daniel
[08:25] <dholbach> hey jerome
[08:25] <jsgotangco> busy busy busy
[08:25] <dholbach> yeah
[08:32] <ajmitch> got to get bzr 0.1.1 in
[08:32] <dholbach> :)
[08:33] <ajmitch> it's a bugfix release, so should be safe
[08:33] <dholbach> if not we'd be able to fix in breezy-updates
[08:34] <ajmitch> yes, but I'd prefer to get it in breezy :)
[08:34] <ajmitch> and I know the bzr people do too
[08:34] <dholbach> sure
[08:35] <ajmitch> including sabdfl :)
[08:38] <Burgundavia> there are a lot of reports that VLC is totally borked after the last release
[08:38] <Burgundavia> you might want to roll that one back
[08:38] <Burgundavia> s/release/upload
[08:40] <crimsun> it is, I'm working on it.
[08:40] <crimsun> (I've actually been working on it for two days now.)
[08:41] <dholbach> poor daniel
[08:42] <crimsun> it's kinda a lose-lose situation; if we roll back to the previous version, only x86 will build leaving the others FTBFS. At least now all the arches will build, and at the worst you'll have to use the commandline to invoke the player with media files (much like mplayer)
[08:42] <Burgundavia> crimsun, ouch
[08:43] <crimsun> totem-xine | totem-gstreamer is great
[08:44] <Burgundavia> there is no more usable video player out there
[08:44] <CaiN_SA> $*U&I$U&*($#
[09:33] <siretart> morning!
[09:34] <zakame> afternoon!
[09:34] <siretart> ;)
[09:34] <siretart> 930am over here, and already at uni ;)
[09:34] <ajmitch> hi siretart, zakame
[09:35] <siretart> hi ajmitch! how're things?
[09:36] <ajmitch> good :)
[09:37] <zakame> hi ajmitch ! =)
[09:38] <\sh> morning siretart
[09:38] <dholbach> morning \sh
[09:38] <dholbach> how do you feel today?
[09:39] <\sh> dholbach: don't ask...my head's paining, my stomach's playing drums...but I'm over it
[09:39] <dholbach> you shouldnt have drunken alcohol
[09:40] <dholbach> guys: i'm on UniverseFTBFS - fixing guppi
[09:43] <\sh> dholbach: well...too late...but you know...it was something new...I can decide to shutdown 4 mio people in NRW to not watch TV anymore...but bringing amarok 1.3.3 so close to release to breezy...it costs me 3 weeks of my life
[09:43] <dholbach> it won't
[09:46] <\sh> dholbach: anyways...decision is made, no 1.3.3 and I'm ok with it. everybody else is also agreeing, nobody died..so let's get rocking on the rest of universeFTBFS
[09:46] <Tonio-> morning dholbach \sh and others
[09:48] <dholbach> YEAH
[09:48] <dholbach> hey Tonio-
[09:48] <Tonio-> dholbach: ^^ in case you go on revu, don't waste time on Yakuake, Riddell already upoaded it
[09:49] <dholbach> i see...
[10:08] <Skid> hi chaps - was just wondering what it takes to become a mirror
[10:08] <Skid> and approximate usages, etc etc
[11:26] <\sh> what the hell is yada ?
[11:26] <dredg> it's a source of great great great evil
[11:27] <ajmitch> don't speak that word in here!
[11:27] <dredg> really. worse than paedophiles.
[11:28] <ajmitch> haha
[11:28] <\sh> I just feel it
[11:28] <\sh> hate's coming up
[11:30] <Tonio-> yop
[11:33] <dholbach> \sh: debianization aid - silly thing
[11:36] <\sh> dholbach: yeah...I just fixed 5 times debian/rules and debian/control until I understood, that yada is overriding my changes with debian/packages *gnarf*
[11:38] <ajmitch> \sh: just *one* of the reasons why yada is evil
[11:38] <dholbach> :)
[11:38] <\sh> ajmitch: see -changes ;)
[11:38] <ajmitch> \sh: how about libofx?
[11:39] <\sh> ajmitch: u wanted to fix it, dude
[11:39] <\sh> u said one morning: "I'll fixed it already...and upload later"
[11:40] <\sh> - I'll + I
[11:40] <ajmitch> pff
[11:40] <\sh> ajmitch: and sorry...I'm totally brainfcked today..trying to catch up ;)I
[11:40] <ajmitch>   The 'yada is evil' Upload
[11:40] <ajmitch> haha
[11:40] <ajmitch> I only did Replaces..
[11:41] <ajmitch> although it probably doesn't need it
[11:41] <\sh> ajmitch: hmm..conflicts? I think we had the discussion...but anyways...I'm a coward
[11:42] <ajmitch> yeah, Replaces is where files are replaced
[11:42] <ajmitch> so I don't think Conflicts is needed
[12:21] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, holy sh*t that doc sure looks good
[12:22] <ajmitch> yeah, fairly basic
[12:22] <ajmitch> it's an introduction for sure, but that's what was intended
[12:22] <jsgotangco> well its an intro
[12:22] <ajmitch> gets people started on the right path
[12:22] <ajmitch> so you can read this & become a MOTU ;)
[12:23] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:23] <jsgotangco> and stop slacking
[12:24] <ajmitch> if you get time outside of docs
[12:24] <ajmitch> you're hardly a slacker :)
[12:24] <jsgotangco> i'd like to do some packages really
[12:44] <HiddenWolf> Guys, that vlc that was recently uploaded is completely disfunctional
[12:45] <dholbach> HiddenWolf: if you could try help fixing it, it'd be nice
[12:46] <dholbach> there's not much time left and we're all quite busy
[12:46] <HiddenWolf> It's not theme-aware, preference dialog doesn't work, and the only way to play a media file is to drag it on top of it.
[12:46] <HiddenWolf> dholbach, I suggest uploading the previous version again.
[12:46] <Treenaks> ajmitch: \o/
[12:46] <tseng> downgrading versions is painful
[12:46] <tseng> please try to find the regression
[12:46] <HiddenWolf> dholbach, ajmitch, not something that's fixable in a day, at least the old one kind of worked.
[12:47] <HiddenWolf> tseng, _everything_ changed, or seemed to.
[12:47] <tseng> er
[12:47] <deFrysk> anyone knows why the non-functional vlc is added ?
[12:47] <tseng> sigh
[12:47] <dholbach> deFrysk: afaik it didnt build on all architectures
[12:48] <deFrysk> ow :s
[12:49] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: the old one FTBFS on 2 of our 3 supported arches
[12:49] <crimsun> the new one that I have builds, but the gui playlist loading won't work
[12:50] <HiddenWolf> crimsun, nor the preferences dialog
[12:50] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: I haven't uploaded 3
[12:50] <crimsun> I've fixed the ffmpeg linking issues
[12:50] <deFrysk> crimsun, playlist loading works on mine , but no prefs
[12:50] <crimsun> ARGH
[12:51] <crimsun> I swear wxgtk2.6's Unicode support is borked somehow
[12:52] <crimsun> if worse comes to worst, I'll dput the ubuntu3 that I have here, because it 1) builds on all 3 arches; 2) restores codec support; 3) still works from the commandline
[12:52] <HiddenWolf> crimsun, cool
[12:52] <crimsun> but -- adding from the playlist is broken due to UTF-8 crack
[12:53] <crimsun> 0.8.4-test1 is even worse
[12:53] <crimsun> trunk is ... trunk, and has lots of broken wxwidgets "support"
[12:54] <crimsun> deFrysk: echo $LANG, please
[12:54] <Tonio-> siretart: just look at your comment concernint klamav....
[12:54] <crimsun> deFrysk: and I presume you mean ubuntu2 works for you RE: DnD playlist?
[12:55] <Tonio-> siretart: I've done a manpage concerning the shellscript, but manpages with extensions cause a litian bug apparently.
[12:55] <Tonio-> siretart: already discused with dholbach
[12:56] <deFrysk> VLC media player 0.8.4-svn20040920 Janus is the one I have here
[12:56] <ajmitch> deFrysk: dpkg -l vlc
[12:57] <dholbach> Tonio-: he's reviewing stuff for his exams
[12:57] <dholbach> Tonio-: (so not here)
[12:57] <deFrysk> ajmitch, want me to past the output here ?
[12:57] <Tonio-> dholbach: okay ;) It is just because I knew that this lintian bug would create missunderstood ;)
[12:57] <ajmitch> deFrysk: there should only be a line or two - paste the line with the version number
[12:58] <Tonio-> dholbach: missunderstanding, sorry
[12:58] <dholbach> dont worry :)(
[12:58] <deFrysk> vlc            0.8.4-svn20050
[12:59] <ajmitch> meh, that's not enough of the version
[12:59] <Tonio-> dholbach: I don't ;) I more worried about that f**ing jboss server that crashes due to memory problem.....
[12:59] <deFrysk> ajmitch, I'll paste the whole thing just this time because i thinks there is something wrong :
[01:00] <Tonio-> 1 week for RAM replacement -> thanks to HP :(
[01:00] <deFrysk> dpkg -l vlc
[01:00] <deFrysk> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[01:00] <deFrysk> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[01:00] <deFrysk> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[01:00] <deFrysk> ||/ Name           Version        Description
[01:00] <deFrysk> +++-[01:00] <deFrysk> ii  vlc            0.8.4-svn20050 multimedia player for all audio and video fo
[01:00] <ajmitch> deFrysk: please, you didn't need to :)
[01:00] <ajmitch> you just needed a wider terminal
[01:00] <deFrysk> sorry
[01:00] <deFrysk> vlc                         0.8.4-svn20050920-3+hal0ubu
[01:00] <ajmitch> more..
[01:00] <deFrysk> there you go :s
[01:00] <ajmitch> need more...
[01:01] <ajmitch> it still cut off :)
[01:01] <deFrysk> vlc                                  0.8.4-svn20050920-3+hal0ubuntu2
[01:01] <ajmitch> ok
[01:01] <Treenaks> ajmitch: or pipe it through something, I think I heard keybuk say he'd fixed that
[01:01] <crimsun> yeah, thought so.
[01:01] <deFrysk> gotcha!
[01:01] <ajmitch> Treenaks: yeah, probably
[01:03] <deFrysk> http://johanvrt.tomaatnet.nl/vlc.png looking ugly :s
[01:04] <Treenaks> deFrysk: it looks Macosxish
[01:04] <Treenaks> deFrysk: or at least quicktimeish
[01:04] <Treenaks> deFrysk: or itunesish
[01:05] <deFrysk> Treenaks, its not responding to gtk themeing
[01:05] <crimsun> deFrysk: due to broken wxwidgets dialog. I fixed that.
[01:05] <deFrysk> thats the worst bit
[01:05] <deFrysk> crimsun, cool
[01:05] <JanC> vlc startup errors: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3009
[01:05] <crimsun> I'm seriously debating rolling back to wxwindows2.4
[01:05] <crimsun> it'll be ugly, but at least it should work.
[01:06] <dholbach> crimsun: if it works, go for it
[01:06] <crimsun> JanC: -vvv will demonstrate that the postproc linkage is screwed. I've fixed that, too.
[01:06] <crimsun> dholbach: yeah, I'm building the diff now.
[01:07] <deFrysk> I like the working playlist in thisone but the equalizer is awesome in vlc (if it works)
[01:08] <deFrysk> in this version that is
[01:08] <crimsun> that's due to broken ffmpeg linkage, see above.
[01:08] <deFrysk> ok
[01:51] <crimsun> ok, vlc fixed.
[01:54] <deFrysk> crimsun, fixed as in fixed or fixed as in downgraded ?
[01:55] <HiddenWolf> fixed is fixed. :)
[01:55] <deFrysk> HiddenWolf, I need details ;p
[01:55] <HiddenWolf> crimsun ok, vlc fixed.
[01:55] <HiddenWolf> that's all the detail I can give you.
[01:55] <deFrysk> hehe
[01:56] <crimsun> deFrysk: the underlying issue is that wxWidgets's UTF-8 parsing is horribly broken
[01:56] <HiddenWolf> crimsun, so you spanked it into submission?
[01:56] <crimsun> Given another month, I might have been able to hack out a workaround, but even the vlc guys are tired of it.
[01:57] <crimsun> No, I eliminated the UTF-8 problem by using wxWindows
[01:57] <crimsun> you won't have pretty fonts in the menus, but that's a small price to pay imo
[02:04] <HiddenWolf> crimsun, what kind of horrible widget-kit is wx?
[02:04] <\sh> wxwindows
[02:04] <HiddenWolf> vlc looks like it is osx exclusive. :P
[02:04] <\sh> so your fav linux apps are looking like your doomed windows app
[02:05] <ajmitch> except worse
[02:05] <ajmitch> since wx 2.4 uses gtk+ 1.2 :)
[02:05] <crimsun> looks horrible but works.
[02:05] <HiddenWolf> ajmitch, O M G
[02:05] <ajmitch> yep
[02:05] <HiddenWolf> crimsun, works is good. :)
[02:55] <deFrysk> crimsun, great work :)
[03:05] <ajmitch> morning \sh
[03:05] <\sh> re
[03:05] <\sh> just testing breezy upgrades in the NOC :)
[03:05] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:05] <\sh> hey barry
[03:05] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[03:05] <Lathiat> \sh: testing.. NOC!? ;p
[03:06] <bddebian> Heya Stephan, Andrew
[03:06] <\sh> Lathiat: NOC == Network Operations Center :) And my colleagues around me are going to be ubuntu junkies :)
[03:07] <Lathiat> i know what a noc is ;p
[03:07] <Lathiat> just wondering why you were testing breezy in a noc which assumedly is runnign some kind of important serivces? :p
[03:08] <\sh> Lathiat: well...our laptops are running normally windows...but since I'm working here, most of the laptops are running linux ;)
[03:09] <bddebian> I'm out of the game.. :'-( :'-(
[03:09] <ajmitch> bddebian: a shame
[03:09] <ajmitch> 2am & I'm still doing uploads
[03:09] <\sh> bddebian: whats up?
[03:10] <bddebian> heh
[03:10] <Yagisan> ajmitch: G'day - is there a link to your selinux work ?
[03:10] <ajmitch> Yagisan: no
[03:11] <ajmitch> Yagisan: due to heavy MOTU work I haven't collated everything & put info online :)
[03:11] <bddebian> \sh: My laptop died yesterday afternoon and I was up till 1:00am trying to get it to work.  First CD was jacked.  Second CD wouldn't get through the install process, now it can't remove metacity and thunderbird?? :-(
[03:11] <ajmitch> \sh & bddebian keep on cracking the whip
[03:12] <bddebian> ajmitch: You going to bed? :-)
[03:12] <ajmitch> no, the voices won't let me
[03:13] <\sh> hahahaha
[03:13] <Yagisan> ajmitch: cool - I'm experimenting with pax + rsbac (I think having multiple implementations lets you pick the most appropriate)
[03:13] <dholbach> hey barry
[03:14] <ajmitch> Yagisan: yeah, we've got to sort out how deep selinux integration into dapper can go - I don't think it's something that will be on by default
[03:14] <bddebian> Heya dholbach
[03:14] <ajmitch> Yagisan: you might be able to maintain a pax+rsbac kernel for dapper in universe?
[03:15] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I'm happy to help in testing - I'll try for pax + rsbac. I don't think being locked into any one solution is good for security
[03:15] <ajmitch> Yagisan: agreed
[03:15] <Yagisan> ajmitch: if I get pax + rsbac going well - I'll send it to revu for checking
[03:15] <ajmitch> as soon as we think one of them is the 'magic bullet' we're probably chasing the wrong path :)
[03:16] <Yagisan> very true
[03:16] <Yagisan> in security - one size does not fit all
[03:16] <ajmitch> I've still got to investigate selinux+initramfs with jbailey
[03:16] <ajmitch> for initial device labelling
[03:16] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I'm looking to see why 8139too is busted under high load
[03:16] <ajmitch> yeah?
[03:17] <Yagisan> yeah
[03:17] <ajmitch> probably because the cards are cheap :)
[03:17] <Yagisan> ajmitch: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9972
[03:17] <Yagisan> ajmitch: it used to work - that's the kicker
[03:18] <ajmitch> very annoying
[03:18] <Yagisan> ajmitch: something changed in the kernel and now they fail under high load
[03:18] <ajmitch> how high?
[03:18] <Yagisan> ajmitch: and I have an office full of ltsp clients that use them :(
[03:19] <Yagisan> ajmitch: Think apt-cacher and several updates at once
[03:19] <Yagisan> ajmitch: about 20Mbps is enough
[03:19] <ajmitch> hm
[03:19] <ajmitch> I've got 8139too in my main dev box & a spare box
[03:20] <Yagisan> I only have 8139too cards (main box has 8169 integrated) - I had to borrow a pcnet32 for my firewall
[03:20] <Yagisan> and that was hard to find
[03:20] <ajmitch> oh that's right
[03:20] <ajmitch> nasty evil broadcom
[03:47] <HiddenWolf> ogra, embarrasing typo in the humility changelog!
[03:47] <ajmitch> hardly embarassing
[03:47] <ogra> OMG !!!
[03:47] <HiddenWolf> ogra, I want the new upstrem version too!
[03:48] <ogra> STOP THE RELEASE, I MADE A TYPO !!!
[03:48] <ajmitch> we all make mistakes like that :P
[03:48] <HiddenWolf> ogra, HALT THE PRESSES
[03:49] <ajmitch> ogra: better get sabdfl on the batphone
[03:49] <ogra> HiddenWolf, i relly dnt cre.... if i mke tpos
[03:49] <ogra> lol
[03:49] <jsgotangco> lol
[03:49] <HiddenWolf> ogra, :)
[03:49] <ajmitch> 14MB upload on a 128Kbps line
[03:49] <HiddenWolf> ajmitch, it's a joke, you need to laugh, not sigh. :)
[03:50] <ajmitch> ogra: moodle upload is running, if it doesn't timeout
[03:50] <ogra> phew
[03:50] <HiddenWolf> moodle?
[03:50] <ajmitch> yes
[03:50] <ajmitch> moodle
[03:51] <ogra> ajmitch, decide yourself about that one :)
[03:51] <ajmitch> ogra: oh I already decided :)
[03:51] <ogra> hehe
[03:51] <ajmitch> the changes are mainly fixes for py 2.4 stuff
[03:51] <ajmitch> so I built it & it's going in
[03:53] <ajmitch> 3MB up..
[03:53] <bddebian> heh
[03:55] <bddebian> I NEED MY COMPUTER... :'-(
[03:55] <ajmitch> hm, what else can I upload this morning? :)
[03:56] <bddebian> ajmitch: You can fix tyvis
[03:56] <ajmitch> it's only 3am
[03:56] <bddebian> Or boson-base
[03:56] <ajmitch> what's broken about it?
[03:56] <bddebian> ajmitch: afaict, one problem is that it's looking for UniverseLongLongInteger.hh in the wrong place but it may still get other errors
[03:57] <bddebian> ajmitch: And boson-base just won't build, even with an update from upstream
[03:57] <zyga> hi
[03:57] <zyga> anyone with review powers around? :)
[03:57] <bddebian> If elmo would get my syncs done you could bring in the newer cyphesis-cpp from Debian too.. :'-(
[03:58] <ajmitch> bddebian: at 3am, I'm not likely to do much
[03:58] <slomo_> hi everybody :)
[03:58] <ajmitch> nothing that requires thought anyway ;)
[03:58] <bddebian> Heya slomo
[03:58] <bddebian> ajmitch: Oh sure, I ask for work and NOW you quit.. ;-)
[03:58] <zyga> could someone with mighty review powers help me put one working package into universe till tonight?
[03:59] <slomo> do we have any showstoppers left that need to be fixed?
[03:59] <ajmitch> zyga: a new package?
[03:59] <dholbach> zyga: i can't - lots of stuff in main
[03:59] <dholbach> sorry
[03:59] <zyga> ajmitch: yes
[03:59] <zyga> gnu gadu, 2.2.8
[04:00] <zyga> I'll take full responsibility/patching/security for it
[04:00] <ajmitch> zyga: new packages would have to be approved by elmo once we uploaded them
[04:00] <zyga> ajmitch: it's fully GPL'd
[04:00] <ajmitch> chances of that still happening are becoming slimmer by the minute
[04:00] <zyga> ah
[04:01] <zyga> I've been too busy lately but now I've finished IRL project and I was hoping to still catch breezy
[04:01] <zyga> people already use this package everyday
[04:01] <xhaker> i would like to add my applet too to the universe.. but there is no rush..
[04:01] <zyga> simply from unofficial repos
[04:02] <hubW> dholbach: my enblend package is being packaged by a debian developer
[04:02] <hubW> dholbach: using my ubuntu package
[04:02] <dholbach> hubW: cool
[04:02] <hubW> dholbach: what do we do in that case?
[04:02] <dholbach> of that's a problem
[04:02] <dholbach> hubW: please discuss that with the rest of the guys
[04:02] <dholbach> i'm VERY busy
[04:02] <hubW> dholbach: ah ok. sorry
[04:05] <zyga> Q:  How many IBM CPU's does it take to execute a job?
[04:05] <zyga> asw:  Four; three to hold it down, and one to rip its head off.
[04:05] <zyga> uhhh
[04:23] <ivoks> uh, god... how frustrated I am today...
[04:23] <Treenaks> ivoks: ?
[04:23] <ivoks> Treenaks: osx makes me sick
[04:24] <Treenaks> ivoks: purge it, replace with ubuntu
[04:24] <ivoks> Treenaks: ivoks.blogspot.com
[04:24] <Treenaks> ivoks: aren't you on planet?
[04:24] <ivoks> Treenaks: nope :/
[04:24] <ajmitch> samba issues?
[04:24] <Treenaks> ivoks: ask jdub
[04:24] <zanaga> hmmh.. should i go ahead and mark malone #2266, #2311 and #2776 and duplicates of eachother? Or should someone from the motu team do it?
[04:25] <ivoks> Treenaks: just read that blog... it really makes me sick when i see osx
[04:25] <Treenaks> ivoks: I can imagine
[04:25] <Treenaks> ivoks: still, get added to planet! :) it'd be cool
[04:26] <bddebian> Heya ivoks, tritium
[04:26] <tritium> morning, bddebian
[04:27] <ajmitch> ivoks: I'm surprised you didn't package up samba 3.0.20? :)
[04:28] <ivoks> ajmitch: :)
[04:28] <tritium> hi ajmitch, ivoks
[04:28] <ivoks> ajmitch: i will, but this was too much
[04:28] <ivoks> hi all
[04:29] <bddebian> ajmitch: Aren't you supposed to be working on tyvis? ;-P
[04:30] <ajmitch> bddebian: no, I'm not
[04:30] <ajmitch> bah
[04:31] <ajmitch> well I have to sleep now, 3:30AM
[04:31] <ajmitch> I expect all the universe bugs to be fixed by the time I get up!
[04:32] <ajmitch> night all
[04:32] <dholbach> night ajmitch
[04:32] <tritium> night ajmitch
[04:32] <tritium> morning dholbach
[04:33] <Yagisan> goodnight ajmitch
[04:34] <bddebian> Gnight ajmitch
[04:34] <dholbach> hi tritium
[04:35] <chillywilly> xorg-common 6.8.2-9999999999999999999999 ;)
[04:37] <bddebian> Heh, heya chillywilly
[04:47] <asw> zyga - caught my attention =^0
[04:47] <zyga> asw: okay :>
[04:48] <zyga> asw: I'll re-check everything about that package and get back to you in 30 minutes okay/
[04:48] <zyga> asw: if you are interested in the source: www.gadu.gnu.pl
[04:48] <zyga> asw: my package is based on the hoary package, I cooperate with the author
[04:49] <zyga> (he has lost interest / time to maintain it)
[04:49] <zyga> asw: I've got my key signed especially for this as every polish ubuntu user is using this :)
[04:49] <zyga> (kubuntu has kadu which has no package yet)
[04:50] <zyga> asw: is that okay with you? 17:10 +0200
[04:54] <zyga> asw: ?
[04:58] <sistpoty> hi folks
[05:00] <Yagisan> G'day sistpoty
[05:00] <sistpoty> hi Yagisan
[05:00] <Yagisan> sistpoty: how did the raid upgrade go ?
[05:00] <sistpoty> raid upgrade?
[05:01] <Yagisan> sistpoty: If my failing memory is working - I think you had trouble with a promise raid card
[05:01] <Yagisan> sistpoty: if not - I should drink some coffee to wake up
[05:01] <sistpoty> Yagisan: nope... i don't have a promise ctrler... iirc that was ivoks
[05:01] <sistpoty> hehe
[05:02] <Yagisan> sistpoty: doesn't matter :) what's up ?
[05:02] <sistpoty> last minute fixing :)
[05:04] <Yagisan> sistpoty: so what are you fixing atm ?
[05:05] <sistpoty> still trying to fiddle with xprint (UniverseFTBFS)
[05:06] <Yagisan> ahh - I'm trying to work out why my 8139 based netcards all fail under high load :(
[05:07] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[05:07] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[05:08] <sistpoty> Yagisan: had this issue once, but that was because the realtek had gotten to hot and was b0rked because of that.
[05:09] <Yagisan> sistpoty: it's not that (3 8139 based cards failed) - but when replaced with a pcnet32 based card it works
[05:10] <Yagisan> sistpoty: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9972
[05:12] <sistpoty> Yagisan: have you tried the things with the different modules as mentioned in the bugreport?
[05:12] <Yagisan> sistpoty: yes - I'm the verbose reporter at the end :)
[05:13] <sistpoty> ah k ;)... haven't used an 8139 based card for a while now :)
[05:15] <Yagisan> sistpoty: I had a box full of them - and all my thin clients have them
[05:15] <Yagisan> sistpoty: what decent card do you have ?
[05:16] <Lathiat> lol
[05:22] <sistpoty> damn... xprint *is* wicked :)
[05:23] <ogra> xprint should die
[05:23] <spayne> hi di hi all
[05:23] <ogra> libxp replaces it anyway...
[05:24] <bddebian> sistpoty: I told you :-)
[05:25] <bddebian> sistpoty: Did you see my comments on UniverseFTBFS?
[05:25] <sistpoty> ogra: should it? then i won't try to fix it :)
[05:25] <sistpoty> bddebian: yep, thx for these
[05:25] <bddebian> NP
[05:25] <ogra> is there still something depending on it ?
[05:25] <bddebian> It has lots of rdepends iirc
[05:25] <ogra> ouch
[05:26] <ogra> ogra@honk:~/Desktop $ apt-cache rdepends xprint
[05:26] <ogra> xprint
[05:26] <ogra> Reverse Depends:
[05:26] <ogra>   firefox
[05:26] <ogra>   xprt-xprintorg
[05:26] <ogra>   xprt
[05:26] <ogra>   xprint-common
[05:26] <ogra>   firefox
[05:26] <ogra> i doubt firefox counts here....
[05:26] <ogra> and the rest are internal deps...
[05:27] <ogra> you should ask daniels about it, i think i heard him saying it should be morgued
[05:27] <sistpoty> ogra: ack... mozilla thing only suggests it
[05:27] <sistpoty> ogra: will do
[05:27] <ogra> :)
[05:27] <TMM> I'm trying to patch azureus to work with kaffe and classpath, but the build depends would still depend on sun's java compiler. Can this be included in universe? the resulting .deb would not depend on any non-free software, but the build process will...
[05:28] <ogra> this wont work
[05:28] <ogra> since you need the package installed during build
[05:28] <TMM> I was afraid of that... I'll just have to see if I can make it build with jikes-gcj then
[05:28] <ogra> but you can only install things that actually are in the archive... and you need to move the package to where its build deps are
[05:29] <ogra> we have blackdown java in multiverse
[05:29] <ogra> so if you move azureus to multiverse and it can build with j2re1.4, this could work
[05:29] <TMM> I'd like to see it in universe, as it would be 100% free s such
[05:29] <ogra> then you cant build it with and sun related VM
[05:30] <ogra> make it compile with gjc ;)
[05:30] <TMM> I realise that :) that's why I'll just have to make it build with a compiler from universe :)
[05:31] <Yagisan> I could not get azureus to work with any java < 1.5
[05:31] <TMM> Yagisan, that's where the patching comes in :)
[05:31] <TMM> Yagisan, I've already gotten it to work in gnu's java interpreter, but it's so slow it's not even funny anymore
[05:32] <Yagisan> TMM: great - it is the ONLY thing on my system that causes me to install sun java
[05:32] <Yagisan> TMM: Can't you just gcj it to native code ?
[05:32] <zyga> in soviet rusia java depends on *you* ;-))
[05:32] <TMM> Yagisan, in kaffe, the UI shows up now, and most of the functionality works, but actually downloading a torrent fails because of some network related bugs
[05:32] <zyga> s/si/ssi/
[05:32] <TMM> Yagisan, I've tried, but I'm not exactly a java hero
[05:33] <Pygi> Oh, finally this channel became active :P
[05:33] <TMM> it's always active
[05:34] <Pygi> maybe...then I always get on in wrong time :P
[05:34] <Yagisan> TMM: Kaffe is the most complete of the free javas ?
[05:35] <markuman> some people said, they have installed nvidia driver but than they get no output from glxgears - is these bug known?
[05:35] <TMM> Yagisan, usually I prefer sablevm but for azureus, kaffe seems to work best
[05:35] <TMM> Yagisan, at least, I've cut memory usage by 80% when running it in kaffe (but it's useless for now)
[05:36] <Yagisan> TMM: I don't care which free java it uses - as long as it works. Memory usage is good - on Sun it uses up to 300MB on my box
[05:37] <zyga> heh
[05:37] <zyga> and python torrent uses few megs at best :D
[05:37] <TMM> Yagisan, yeah, that is why I want it to run on a sane VM
[05:37] <TMM> zyga, there really is no real alternative to azureus when it comes to speed imho
[05:37] <TMM> zyga, download wise, not app wise
[05:37] <zyga> java q.... (swapping to disk)....... u.......a........l........i......t......y
[05:38] <TMM> zyga, although some people disagree :
[05:38] <TMM> :)
[05:38] <zyga> TMM: really? I didn't notice any difrference
[05:38] <zyga> TMM: but I didnt use azureus much - I'm alergic to java
[05:38] <TMM> zyga, for me it seems to matter quite a bit
[05:39] <Yagisan> zyga: I have 1.5GB of RAM and 4GB swap :) but that ram could be used as a disk cache for my 600GB RAID array
[05:39] <TMM> zyga, well, with swt it's not all that bad imho
[05:39] <Yagisan> besides I like the distributed tracker - it's great then your tracker disappears
[05:40] <TMM> Yagisan, yeah, that's great
[05:40] <Yagisan> and it only needs 1 port open on the firewall - regardless of how many torrents you have running
[05:42] <zyga> Yagisan, TMM: I've got 512 Megs and this is a laptop so I'd rather not use any swap
[05:42] <TMM> zyga, I run it in the same setup :)
[05:43] <zyga> I ususally download stuff on my home server though, running on 128 megs of old ram
[05:43] <TMM> Swap:   976712k total,   488580k used,   488132k free,    79368k cached
[05:43] <TMM> :)
[05:43] <zyga> (and keeping, apache, nfs, samba, mysql, and some custom apps too)
[05:43] <TMM> Mem:    451340k total,   445396k used,     5944k free,     5988k buffers
[05:43] <TMM> not good :)
[05:43] <zyga> so putting java would be like sticking a huge elephant into my bed
[05:44] <zyga> just because it's grey....
[05:44] <Yagisan> zyga: for me swap is basically /tmp (I love tmpfs :) )
[05:44] <zyga> err.. :-)
[05:44] <TMM> java is apparently using 487Mb of memory
[05:44] <TMM> Yagisan, having your swap in tmpfs isn't really a great thing
[05:44] <zyga> but I process more stuff than I have memory :/
[05:45] <TMM> Yagisan, tmpfs is like a ramdisk, so all your swapspace will be in your main memory, causing you to swap faster...
[05:45] <zyga> I use it to extract tons of .po files
[05:45] <zyga> process them one by one
[05:45] <zyga> compress and put back into archive
[05:46] <zyga> on tmpfs it takes about 30% less time
[05:46] <TMM> zyga, that's a good use of tmpfs :) swap isn't
[05:46] <zyga> TMM: yeah, swap should be able to SWAP
[05:46] <zyga> Yagisan: I'm working on an experimental malloc
[05:47] <zyga> running linux without swap is just plain bad for performance
[05:47] <zyga> current malloc has some very very bad characteristics
[05:49] <zyga> just before I go
[05:49] <zyga> allocation spikes just plain kill malloc
[05:49] <Yagisan> TMM: no, my swap is not on tmpfs, I use my swap as /tmp by mounting a 4GB tmpfs
[05:49] <zyga> okay - brb :D
[05:50] <zyga> dholbach[_] ?: please please sponsor my package to universe whenever you have free time
[05:50] <Yagisan> zyga: In some cases it's ok to run without swap, but having some means memory leaks get swapped out
[05:50] <TMM> Yagisan, euh, why?
[05:50] <dholbach_> zyga: which one?
[05:52] <Yagisan> TMM: my pbuilder buildplace is /tmp - when mounted as tmpfs it basically build in ram - no disk access = quicker build
[05:52] <TMM> Yagisan, I get that, but not if your tmpfs is located in swap, then it's probably slower
[05:53] <Yagisan> TMM: I thin you misunderstand me - tmpfs IS located in swap
[05:53] <spayne> need some help guys with PGP advice? anyone around to help?
[05:53] <Yagisan> s/thin/tink
[05:54] <Yagisan> s/thin/think
[05:54] <TMM> Yagisan, if it is located in swap, then, you still have disk access, right?
[05:55] <Yagisan> TMM: yes - but only after I fill up my 1.5GB of RAM
[05:55] <Yagisan> which on most builds never happens
[05:55] <TMM> ah yeah, now I think i get it... that whole "tmpfs IS located in swap" got me a bit confused
[05:56] <Yagisan> TMM: no worries - just don't try to build OOo2 or the kernel packages on tmpfs - you'll need many many GB for that!
[05:57] <spayne> has anyone seen Mez around recently?
[05:57] <TMM> Yagisan, I wasn't planning on building OOo2 EVER actually
[05:57] <TMM> Yagisan, :)
[05:59] <ivoks> so frustrated...
[05:59] <Yagisan> TMM: I learnt the hard way that kernel-source-2.6.12 needs gigs of space - I ran it with /tmp as tmpfs and eventually while building
[05:59] <ivoks> i'll have to buy an ice truck to cool me off...
[05:59] <Yagisan> X was killed by the OOM killer
[06:00] <Yagisan> then I got out of disk space errors
[06:01] <TMM> Yagisan, lol! let me guess, you ran it from a gnome-terminal? :)
[06:08] <slomo> sistpoty: ping?
[06:10] <Yagisan> TMM: yes - on the office terminal server
[06:16] <TMM> Yagisan, :) gnome-terminal isn't the most resource friendly app either :)
[06:21] <Yagisan> TMM: I know - but compared to evolution, firefox, spamassassin, and azureus on sun java - it not too big
[06:21] <TMM> Yagisan, nope :)
[06:24] <asw> zyga - you must have confused me with somebody else.
[06:24] <asw> I'm Alexander (Sasha) Wait -- http://freebiology.org/wiki/User:AlexanderWait
[06:30] <zyga> asw: checking
[06:31] <zyga> dholbach: gg2, gnu gadu - I didn't post it to revu yet - but I'm almost ready to do so
[06:32] <zyga> asw: I thought you are DD / UM or MOTU
[06:32] <zyga> asw: what did catch your attention then?
[06:33] <asw> nope. Not me.  Might happen someday as time permits.   (If you put a person's handle in your text it "catches their attention".)
[06:34] <asw> (you meant to write "asw = answer")
[06:34] <asw> but you got me.
[06:34] <asw> (see your joke about IBM CPU's....
[06:34] <asw> =^P
[06:35] <zyga> ah :D
[06:38] <spayne> brb
[07:14] <sachingarg> I wish to know how packages are selected for distribution in ubuntu...
[07:15] <ivoks> that's easy
[07:15] <ivoks> we just take what debian has :)
[07:15] <sachingarg> :-)
[07:15] <sachingarg> i came across "restricted copyright" section in synaptic... are those packages close-sourced?
[07:15] <ivoks> restricted repository?
[07:16] <ivoks> yes, those are mostly drivers like nvidia and fglrx
[07:16] <sachingarg> can other closed-sourced packages also be considered? assuming they are found to be usefull enough...
[07:17] <ivoks> sachingarg: does are in multiverse repository
[07:17] <sachingarg> i think fedora has a strict "open source only" policy... or am i mistaken?
[07:17] <sachingarg> are any packages from multiverse installed by default?
[07:18] <ivoks> none
[07:18] <sachingarg> ivoks, are you one of the repository maitainers...
[07:18] <ivoks> only non open source packages in default install are those needed for some hardware to work
[07:18] <ivoks> sachingarg: yup
[07:18] <sachingarg> actually I am working on a project which I think might help linux users...
[07:19] <ivoks> great
[07:19] <sachingarg> but am not yet sure if i plan to open source it...
[07:19] <sachingarg> evil commercial interests :-)
[07:19] <ivoks> what will you gain if you don't open source it?
[07:19] <ivoks> what will you loose if you open source it?
[07:20] <ivoks> open source can be commerical
[07:20] <sachingarg> but I am ofcourse planning to give away a large part of it which many can find usefull but not usefull enough to pay for it...
[07:20] <sachingarg> give away as pre-compiled executable...
[07:20] <ivoks> well, face the facts
[07:20] <ivoks> if it isn't a driver for some massivly used hardware
[07:21] <ivoks> you won't earn a thing :)
[07:21] <sachingarg> my only reason for not open-sourcing it are evil commercial ones...
[07:21] <dholbach> re
[07:21] <ivoks> dholbach: hi
[07:21] <bddebian> wb dholbach
[07:21] <sistpoty> wb
[07:21] <dholbach> hi ivoks, bddebian, sistpoty :)
[07:21] <sachingarg> ummm.... maybe you are right... bur for all the effort going into it... i want to try...
[07:21] <ivoks> sachingarg: you should consider some other ways to earn money
[07:22] <sachingarg> I will probably open-source if it doesnt helps...
[07:22] <ivoks> sachingarg: if you open source it, you product will be better
[07:22] <sachingarg> C++ is the only thing I know... and i love doing it
[07:22] <ivoks> sachingarg: well, it's your call
[07:22] <ivoks> sachingarg: but be sure there are better ways to earn money on open source products
[07:22] <bddebian> sachingarg: Even as Open Source, you can sell it
[07:22] <sistpoty> is it possible to morgue breezy packages after breezy release?
[07:22] <sachingarg> i have to agree that open source is better on all accounts... except for evil commercial reasons...
[07:23] <ivoks> sachingarg: you can sell your product only once
[07:23] <sachingarg> only once
[07:23] <sachingarg> ?
[07:23] <ivoks> sachingarg: but you can sell your support every month
[07:23] <zyga> ivoks: selling support hardly works for small developers
[07:23] <sachingarg> I am not quit near completion, else i would have discussed details too...
[07:23] <ivoks> zyga: that depends on what he's doing
[07:23] <zyga> ivoks: support contracts are very low paid at best
[07:24] <zyga> but as a counter example
[07:24] <zyga> I've recently sold a support contract for ... ubuntu
[07:24] <sachingarg> zyga: i agreee... no ones gonna need support for my stuff
[07:24] <zyga> :)
[07:24] <ivoks> zyga: me too :))
[07:24] <ivoks> not one, but couple :)
[07:24] <zyga> ivoks: I'm selling micro ubuntu, X+firefox edition
[07:24] <zyga> for web terminals and such
[07:24] <ivoks> zyga: nice
[07:25] <ivoks> zyga: mine are servers/clusters
[07:25] <zyga> ivoks: but compared to selling closed source software to a company it's lunch money :/
[07:25] <sachingarg> if it will be possible for my binary only distribution to be included in ubuntu, it will be great...
[07:25] <ivoks> sachingarg: as i said, it depends on what it is
[07:25] <sachingarg> i can assure it will help a large number if users...
[07:26] <ivoks> sachingarg: look
[07:26] <zyga> sachingarg: cut to the chase
[07:26] <zyga> what is it?
[07:26] <ivoks> sachingarg: the thing is that license will have to be no-money for distribution for ubuntu
[07:26] <sachingarg> I am not quit near completion, else i would have discussed details too...
[07:26] <sachingarg> binary will be free (as in beer)
[07:26] <zyga> sachingarg: you can always do what skype does
[07:26] <ivoks> sachingarg: if you are going to chagre distribution, i can garantuee you that it will not get in ubuntu
[07:26] <sachingarg> binary will be free (as in beer)
[07:27] <zyga> sachingarg: 'hey we've got a .deb for 6 months old ubuntu release, yay'
[07:27] <ivoks> sachingarg: then why not make it open source? :)
[07:27] <ivoks> if it will be free (as in beer)
[07:27] <zyga> ivoks: most competiton would then take the source and rip it for their own needs
[07:27] <ivoks> zyga: like nagios? :)
[07:27] <zyga> ivoks: GPL can hardly protect you if you cannot afford a lawyer
[07:27] <zyga> nagios?!
[07:27] <ivoks> well, new gpl is on the way..
[07:27] <sachingarg> my plan: executable can be free and distrubuted, but its LIB can be sold to enterprises who need it
[07:28] <ivoks> nagios is closing source
[07:28] <zyga> sachingarg: make sure you dont provide too much scriptability ;] 
[07:28] <ivoks> well i have to go
[07:28] <ivoks> see you guys
[07:28] <zyga> ivoks: ah those folks who make some net scanning software?
[07:28] <sachingarg> ivoks.. one sec...
[07:28] <zyga> bye ivoks
[07:28] <sistpoty> bye ivoks
[07:28] <sachingarg> is this the best place to contact you.. or can i have your mail id... just in case
[07:29] <ivoks> zyga: yes
[07:29] <ivoks> sachingarg: you can talk with me or anybody else here
[07:29] <sachingarg> ok...
[07:29] <ivoks> sachingarg: we are one big happy familly
[07:29] <sachingarg> thanks for your time... :-)
[07:30] <ivoks> maybe i'm not even the best person to talk about that
[07:30] <sachingarg> ok
[07:30] <ivoks> well, i'm sure i'm not :)
[07:30] <sachingarg> zygaL i think fedora has a strict "open source only" policy, or am I wrong?
[07:31] <sachingarg> zyga: i think fedora has a strict "open source only" policy, or am I wrong?
[07:31] <zyga> sachingarg: I'm not sure - probably yes - I've used fedora core 3 only
[07:31] <sachingarg> ok...
[07:31] <zyga> sachingarg: sell your software to companies
[07:31] <zyga> ignore the users
[07:31] <sachingarg> i think i should come back here only when I have finished working on my stuff...
[07:31] <zyga> users will only rob you
[07:31] <sachingarg> maybe you are right...
[07:32] <zyga> and annoy you with useless bug reports
[07:32] <zyga> 'e.g: it does not work'
[07:32] <sachingarg> but giving off a part of it shouldnt hurt me too much.. i hope
[07:33] <sachingarg> can act as a demo and free publicity for me... and help them too...
[07:33] <zyga> sachingarg: users annoyed, devs annoed, FOSS counterpart, you're dead ;] 
[07:34] <sachingarg> strange you talk such things on ubuntu IRC :-)
[07:34] <zyga> no no  :)
[07:34] <zyga> I do open source
[07:34] <zyga> and I do closed source
[07:34] <zyga> and I need both to live
[07:34] <sachingarg> i am neutral to OSS... same as you...
[07:34] <zyga> closed source pays the rent
[07:34] <zyga> open source nurishes the mind
[07:34] <sachingarg> i am hoping for the same...
[07:35] <zyga> most often closed source is built on open source
[07:35] <sachingarg> paying rent... maybe on time this month :-)
[07:35] <sachingarg> that is very true...
[07:35] <sachingarg> GPL doesnt helps too much
[07:35] <zyga> closed source is the only stuff that makes the customer not rip you in some cases
[07:35] <zyga> not in the 'lone dev against small local company' at least
[07:36] <sachingarg> i agree
[07:36] <zyga> but I do agree that sometimes selling a support contract is nice
[07:36] <zyga> but those usually go to corporations/companies
[07:36] <ogra> sachingarg, we can include everything in multiverse that has a license that explicitly allows redistribution, even nonfree non GPL stuff, just license it redistributable ;)
[07:36] <sachingarg> ogra: that will be really great
[07:37] <zyga> and making small software (2-3 months of work) usually costs far more than any support contract I can get to support this one-time work
[07:37] <zyga> blah, drinking doesn't improve my english
[07:37] <sachingarg> i dont understand zyga...
[07:37] <zyga> :0
[07:37] <zyga> small projects are not sustainable via support contracts
[07:37] <dholbach> alright
[07:37] <dholbach> do we have fixes pending?
[07:38] <dholbach> syncs to be made?
[07:38] <sistpoty> not yet :(
[07:38] <zyga> (silence)
[07:38] <sachingarg> zyga: are you saying that selling small softwares are better than selling support contracts
[07:38] <dholbach> i'm not sure how long universe still will be open, but i guess we have some hours left
[07:38] <ogra> dholbach, nobody will tell you, we all fear you fall dead :)
[07:39] <zyga> sachingarg: I'm saying that selling small software is better than developing that small software for free and then selling a support contract
[07:39] <dholbach> nobody will tell me what?
[07:39] <ogra> i guess its 1/2 day if we beg mdz a bit ;)
[07:39] <zyga> dholbach: I'll msg you in 10 minutes
[07:39] <ogra> dholbach, what's to do ...
[07:39] <zyga> doing another build
[07:39] <sachingarg> ogra: does fedora also allows close-sourced but redistributable software?
[07:39] <sachingarg> zyga: ok
[07:39] <zyga> sachingarg: ask in #fedora on google(fedora.irc)
[07:39] <dholbach> can we do release-specific stuff in the channel now?
[07:40] <ogra> sachingarg, thats probably a question you shouldnt ask in a ubuntu channel but in a fedora channel ;)
[07:40] <dholbach> sistpoty: i removed quite a lot of stuff from the list, that was in main and did build / was fixed
[07:40] <sachingarg> am just being lazy... hoping you might be knowing... apologies
[07:40] <sistpoty> dholbach: i saw :)
[07:40] <dholbach> what are important candidates we want to fix?
[07:41] <sachingarg> dholbach: i guess i should be leaving now and let you do the important tasks...
[07:41] <dholbach> i'll have a look at malone for easy targets
[07:41] <dholbach> so we can do the last bits
[07:41] <dholbach> sachingarg: no, don't leave on my account
[07:41] <sachingarg> no, its ok...
[07:41] <dholbach> please dont... it's just that we've all been working long and we need to get the last bits together
[07:41] <dholbach> normally i have no problem with any topic :)
[07:41] <sachingarg> :-)
[07:42] <ogra> sachingarg, we have release tomorrow and everybody has a lack of sleep here since a week :)
[07:42] <sachingarg> zyga: i was just hoping if you can help me better plan a good business model for my selfish-evil-commercial project
[07:43] <sachingarg> in fact it will be great of all others can help too...
[07:43] <sachingarg> i am just confused how free should it be...
[07:43] <zyga> sachingarg: not now, sorry
[07:44] <sachingarg> ok, i will come around some other time...
[07:44] <sistpoty> rebuild only: haskell-http, hunit ... anyone to upload these?
[07:44] <sachingarg> thanks to all for your time :-)
[07:44] <dholbach> sistpoty: just rebuilds?
[07:45] <sistpoty> dholbach: yes
[07:45] <dholbach> sistpoty: will do
[07:45] <sistpoty> dholbach: still for ghc6transition... thx
[07:45] <dholbach> will they build on amd64?
[07:45] <sistpoty> why shouldn't they?
[07:45] <dholbach> no idea :)
[07:46] <sistpoty> they won't build on ia64, since there is no ghc6 iirc
[07:46] <sistpoty> ;)
[07:47] <bddebian> APparently I am not meant to do any more MOTU work before release :'-(
[07:47] <sistpoty> bddebian: still hw-troubles?
[07:48] <siretart> hey
[07:48] <sistpoty> huhu siretart
[07:48] <siretart> does anyone know why we are already auto-syncing?
[07:48] <sistpoty> what?
[07:48] <siretart> look on breezy-changes
[07:48] <dholbach> nono
[07:48] <dholbach> apt-get.org
[07:48] <siretart> aah
[07:48] <dholbach> :)
[07:49] <siretart> okay.
[07:49] <siretart> "Ich fuerchtete schon schlimmstes" (please translate someone..)
[07:49] <siretart> ;)
[07:49] <bddebian> sistpoty: No, install problems.  I can't get it installed on a machine here in the office either :-(
[07:49] <dholbach> he was dreading the worst :)
[07:49] <siretart> thnx
[07:49] <sistpoty> poor bddebian
[07:50] <siretart> lol @p0rn-comfort!
[07:51] <dholbach> somebody wants to look at 3086 in malone?
[07:51] <dholbach> might be worth fixing *shrug*
[07:51] <dholbach> maybe has a debian fix
[07:53] <dholbach> sistpoty: haskell-http uploaded
[07:53] <sistpoty> thx
[07:53] <dholbach> hunit too
[07:53] <dholbach> both built NICELY :)
[07:53] <sistpoty> cool, thx :)
[07:54] <dholbach> anything we REALLY want to have fixed?
[07:54] <dholbach> or is everything just cool?
[07:54] <bddebian> dholbach: Fix tyvis and tell elmo to do my syncs ;-P
[07:55] <dholbach> bddebian: i'll look at tyvis
[07:55] <dholbach> bddebian: add pvm to your sync list
[07:56] <sistpoty> #1 would be nice, but i think that is deferred for dapper ;)
[07:56] <bddebian> Heh
[07:58] <spayne> bddebian: http://www.flickr.com/photos/spayne/51909436 :)
[07:59] <bddebian> spayne: Nice :-)
[08:00] <spayne> bddebian: and if you like the dark http://www.flickr.com/photos/spayne/51909469
[08:00] <spayne> ;)
[08:02] <dholbach> ogra: you b0rked the changelog entry of tyvis :)
[08:03] <Yagisan> spayne: it's a bit too dark to make out Micheal Jackson in that pic :-P
[08:03] <dholbach> ogra: version number rather
[08:03] <ogra> dholbach, ??
[08:03] <spayne> Yagisan: he is always there - waiting and waiting
[08:03] <dholbach> 20031216-4 -> 2001216-5ubuntu1 ;-)
[08:03] <dholbach> you're the maintainer of it now :-p
[08:03] <ogra> i remember there was an issue with timestamps from broken buzilla patch exports
[08:03] <ogra> dholbach, bah
[08:04] <dholbach> i'm talking about debian/changelog :)
[08:04] <ogra> yes, me too
[08:04] <bddebian> Hehe :-)
[08:04] <ogra> the timestamps were wrapped in my forst cxx uploads
[08:04] <ogra> *first
[08:04] <dholbach> however... debian has -4
[08:05] <bddebian> dholbach: BTW, one problem that I found was that UniversalLongLongInteger includes "tyvis/UniversalLongLongInteger.hh" and I think it should just be "UniversalLongLongInteger.hh"
[08:05] <dholbach> bddebian: i'll poke it a bit :)
[08:05] <slomo> dholbach: when i want a package from debian that is not in universe atm... shall i simply ask elmo to sync it or something else?
[08:05] <bddebian> dholbach: Good man :-)
[08:05] <dholbach> slomo: sync
[08:05] <bddebian> slomo: If it works ;-)
[08:05] <dholbach> bddebian: i wanted to have a look at the debian patches first
[08:06] <slomo> dholbach: ok, so no different process for NEW from debian packages ;) fine
[08:06] <bddebian> w00t, looks like elmo did my syncs
[08:07] <bddebian> dholbach: They are useless and I think ogra already implemented them
[08:07] <dholbach> bddebian: there was no debian/patches, that's why i wanted to check :)
[08:07] <ogra> bddebian, i worked along bugzilla... i did only implement what people added to the bugzila bugs
[08:08] <sistpoty> does anyone know Kenny Duffus?
[08:09] <bddebian> ogra: Aye, I know, that wasn't a negative comment :-)
[08:09] <ogra> bddebian, i know... i just wanted to give a hint... i cant look myself currently...
[08:09] <ogra> wiki.edubuntu.org is just in the middle of the merge
[08:12] <\sh> re
[08:12] <sistpoty> hi \sh
[08:12] <\sh> so..nightshift today...tomorrow I have a free day ;)
[08:13] <bddebian> OK, can someone bring over cyphesis-cpp 0.5.1-1 from Debian?  It needs a build-dep change so it can't be synced directly from Debian.
[08:13] <bddebian> Heya \sh
[08:13] <\sh> bddebian: sure
[08:14] <slomo> how can i get all functions or other symbols which are in a .so file? ;)
[08:14] <bddebian> slomo: objdump -T
[08:15] <slomo> bddebian: thanks :) you see? you're no idiot :P
[08:15] <bddebian> slomo: Yes I am, I'm just an experience idiot ;-)
[08:15] <bddebian> s/experience/experienced/
[08:15] <zyga> slomo:  what about nm?
[08:16] <slomo> zyga: it tells there are no symbols
[08:16] <slomo> objdump works :)
[08:16] <\sh> bddebian: what has to be changed?
[08:16] <dholbach> HA
[08:16] <dholbach> bddebian: rebuilding tyvis works on amd64 :)
[08:16] <dholbach> bddebian: dunno about i386, did you test that?
[08:16] <\sh> slomo: is elmo listening to sync reqs now or better mail?
[08:16] <bddebian> dholbach: Really?  It fails on i386
[08:16] <dholbach> bddebian: ok
[08:17] <bddebian> \sh: I can't remember off-hand.  I had to change something from foo-dev to foo2-dev
[08:17] <slomo> \sh: no idea... he synced some stuff some minutes ago so he is probably there and reads -devel ;)
[08:18] <bddebian> dholbach: Makes sense since it pukes on INT64_MAX
[08:18] <dholbach> +nod+
[08:21] <ogra> lol, people subscribed to the whole wiki now also get edubuntu changes *g*
[08:26] <bddebian> \sh: I think maybe it was libgcrypt2-dev
[08:29] <sistpoty> args... i don't have gpg in kmail any longer... since upgrade from today :(
[08:29] <sistpoty> says s.th. about gpgme does not have opengpg support...?
[08:29] <\sh> bddebian: i'll see
[08:30] <\sh> sistpoty: ping riddell
[08:30] <sistpoty> maybe i have the wrong lib installed... i'll check first
[08:31] <dholbach> sistpoty: haskell-http in the  buildlogs?
[08:31] <sistpoty> dholbach: didn't look for it yet
[08:33] <\sh> how nice wifi is...now I can irc and at the same time pxebooting my r200 ;)
[08:34] <Greg_Wah> Eclipse has broken dependancies in breezy, should I file a bugreport or has it been done?
[08:34] <\sh> bddebian: libatlas-cpp-0.5-dev
[08:34] <\sh> must be
[08:35] <\sh> there is no 0.6
[08:35] <sistpoty> dholbach: damn, my fault, i didn't see cabal in there :( I'll prepare a debdiff
[08:35] <dholbach> dont worry
[08:35] <dholbach> we have time
[08:36] <\sh> bddebian: ah...atlas-cpp comes now ;)
[08:38] <sistpoty> phew... at least cabal is properly broken... otherwise it would have screwed up the buildds again
[08:40] <slomo> sistpoty: it still isn't removed? hrm
[08:40] <sistpoty> slomo: no
[08:41] <\sh> bddebian: I'm waiting with this package until your atlas package is build and on the archive
[08:49] <sistpoty> http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/debdiffs/haskell-http_1build1_to_1ubuntu1.debdiff <- builds fine now
[08:49] <sistpoty> anyone to sponsor?
[08:49] <slomo> sistpoty: i'll do it
[08:49] <sistpoty> slomo: thx
[08:49] <bddebian> \sh: OK :-)
[08:50] <bddebian> Breezy had BETTER install on this P4 3.0Ghz I "borrowed" here at work... ;-P
[08:50] <\sh> so today everyone is doing nightshifts? ,-)
[08:51] <\sh> siretart: ping
[08:51] <slomo> sistpoty: are you sure that changing the control.in is enough? i had packages which wanted both control files changed
[08:53] <\sh> siretart: can I use tiber as well for building with pbuilder?
[08:53] <sistpoty> slomo: no, it isn't... damn!
[08:53] <slomo> sistpoty: ok, i'll do it for you ;)
[08:53] <sistpoty> slomo: thx... just run update-haskell-control (from hmake)
[08:54] <slomo> sistpoty: oh no... i don't want to install all the haskell crap again ;) can i edit it by hand? :P
[08:55] <sistpoty> slomo: not really... it *should* bail out then (which for whatever reasons) didn't do it
[08:55] <sistpoty> slomo: it's in package haskell-utils, actually ;)
[08:56] <slomo> sistpoty: ok, give me a new debdiff then ;)
[08:56] <sistpoty> slomo: mom ;)
[09:00] <sistpoty> slomo: http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/debdiffs/haskell-http_1build1_to_1ubuntu1.debdiff
[09:01] <sistpoty> wow, i named it the same :)
[09:02] <slomo> Hunk #1 FAILED at 1.
[09:02] <slomo> 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file debian/changelog.rej
[09:02] <slomo> hmm
[09:02] <slomo> next try please ;)
[09:02] <sistpoty> hm... did you try a clean 1build1`
[09:02] <sistpoty> ? even
[09:03] <slomo> oh
[09:03] <slomo> build1
[09:03] <slomo> ;)
[09:03] <bddebian> sistpoty: Did you have any luck with xprint?
[09:04] <sistpoty> bddebian: not yet... but i paused this one as it should eventually be morgued
[09:04] <slomo> sistpoty: uploaded
[09:04] <sistpoty> bddebian: i wrote daniels a mail, but didn't get an answer yet
[09:04] <sistpoty> slomo: thx :)
[09:05] <bddebian> sistpoty: Ahh :-)
[09:06] <siretart> re
[09:07] <bddebian> wb siretart :-)
[09:07] <siretart> \sh: sure. I'm using pbuilder on tiber, too. Tipp: use parameter -buildresult for using subdirectory of pwd
[09:07] <\sh> siretart: check my ~/bin dir...there is a nice script
[09:07] <siretart> mom
[09:08] <\sh> siretart: and in pbuilder/etc/ there are the configs ;)
[09:08] <siretart> aah, the distribution pbuilders. sweet!
[09:08] <\sh> yeah
[09:08] <\sh> i found an example in /usr/share/docs/pbuilder/example
[09:08] <\sh> s
[09:10] <siretart> \sh: I think you need to name it pbuilder-breezy to work
[09:10] <\sh> no
[09:11] <\sh> running now on tiber ;)
[09:11] <\sh> breezy create ;)
[09:12] <spayne> \sh: can i ask you a favour?
[09:13] <\sh> spayne: if it's not a new package, yes :)
[09:13] <spayne> \sh: can you see if 7032F238 is in the strong set. i am meeting him on saturday
[09:14] <zyga_> spayne: jim, he's a person not a fingerprint!
[09:14] <siretart> spayne: http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/stats/7032F238.html
[09:14] <spayne> thanks
[09:17] <spayne> \sh: what is your key id
[09:20] <siretart> spayne: hint: use launchpad ;)
[09:20] <\sh> C098EFA8
[09:21] <spayne> looks good: http://webware.lysator.liu.se/jc/wotsap/wots/latest/paths/0x7032F238-0xC098EFA8.png
[09:24] <LaserJock> what are the chances of getting dvi2ps and wterm synced from Debian?
[09:25] <crimsun> have you verified that they don't need to be merged?
[09:25] <\sh> LaserJock: request by elmo on -devel and "allowed by \sh"
[09:25] <\sh> LaserJock: are u whitelisted?
[09:26] <\sh> LaserJock: did u test the packages?
[09:26] <dholbach> does it build in pbuilder, install?
[09:26] <LaserJock> not yet i guess, I sent any email but haven't gotten a reply, yes I did test them
[09:26] <dholbach> the debian packages?
[09:26] <LaserJock> yep
[09:26] <dholbach> that's a no go
[09:26] <Greg_Wah> Eclipse won't install on Breezy with apt
[09:26] <\sh> now we have chaos ;)
[09:27] <\sh> the "not yet" was for "whitelisted"
[09:27] <Greg_Wah> whoops,w rong channel
[09:27] <\sh> and the "yep" for the pbuilder test?
[09:27] <LaserJock> right
[09:27] <LaserJock> I took the Debian source and built them in pbuilder then installed them
[09:27] <slomo> Greg_Wah: why? on which arch?
[09:27] <dholbach> ok
[09:29] <Greg_Wah> slomo: i386,
[09:29] <Greg_Wah> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:29] <Greg_Wah>   eclipse-sdk: Depends: eclipse-jdt (= 3.1.1-1ubuntu3) but it is not going to be installed
[09:29] <Greg_Wah>                Depends: eclipse-pde (= 3.1.1-1ubuntu3) but it is not going to be installed
[09:29] <Greg_Wah> E: Broken packages
[09:31] <LaserJock> so I should talk to elmo on -devel is that right?
[09:31] <slomo> Greg_Wah: works fine here... maybe do an apt-get update?
[09:32] <crimsun> Greg_Wah: looks fine here.
[09:33] <blueyed> Greg_Wah: same error here..
[09:34] <moyogo> i'm getting /usr/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so: undefined reference to `pango_fc_font_create_metrics_for_context'
[09:34] <sistpoty> Greg_Wah: seems to work fine here as well
[09:34] <moyogo> when trying to build stuff that needs pango
[09:35] <moyogo> anybody knows how to fix this?
[09:35] <bddebian> w00t, I think I'm back in business..
[09:35] <sistpoty> congrats bddebian
[09:35] <slomo> \sh: your clisp sync fails everywhere :(
[09:36] <blueyed> Greg_Wah: tracks down to "mozilla-browser: Depends: libnspr4 (= 2:1.7.12-0ubuntu2) but 2:1.7.12-0ubuntu05.04 is to be installed" here..?!
[09:36] <crimsun> blueyed: kill the bp
[09:36] <\sh> slomo: no...amd64 not
[09:37] <slomo> \sh: oh, you're right... hmm
[09:37] <slomo> \sh: then it's a funny package... builds on the problem-architecture and fails everywhere else ;) congrats :P
[09:37] <bddebian> \sh: Did you do cyphesis-cpp already?  If not, I think I can do it now
[09:37] <blueyed> crimsun: yep.. :/ Have disabled it since a while, but this seems to have stuck.
[09:37] <\sh> bddebian: no...
[09:38] <\sh> slomo: it build here on i386
[09:38] <slomo> hm
[09:38] <Lathiat> ghc5 stuff was supposed to be morgued right?
[09:39] <sistpoty> yes, it was
[09:39] <sistpoty> Lathiat: I have sent elmo a mail to morgue it about two weeks ago... no answer yet :(
[09:40] <\sh> any ffmpeg specialists here? slomo you are the mmedia guy ;)
[09:40] <blueyed> Greg_Wah: try "sudo apt-get install libnspr4/breezy"
[09:40] <crimsun> \sh: what's up?
[09:40] <slomo> \sh: i hate ffmpeg... but tell me what's wrong ;)
[09:40] <\sh> crimsun: motion package
[09:40] <\sh> apt-get source motion ;)
[09:41] <slomo> ftbfs?
[09:41] <crimsun> if it's choking on libavcodec, it probably needs a configure hack to make it link against libavutil
[09:41] <\sh> it complains about our version of ffmpeg
[09:41] <\sh> and ftbfs in the ocean
[09:41] <bddebian> heh
[09:41] <Greg_Wah> I've apt-get dist-upgraded
[09:41] <Greg_Wah> and apt-get update so the problem lies not there
[09:42] <Greg_Wah> blueyed: will do
[09:42] <crimsun> Greg_Wah: you must have only Ubuntu repos in your sources.list
[09:42] <\sh> ogra: hum? what suggestion?
[09:42] <blueyed> crimsun: but he already has that package from bp
[09:42] <ogra> \sh, apt-get source motion
[09:43] <\sh> hehe
[09:43] <Greg_Wah> blueyed: Selected version 2:1.7.12-0ubuntu2 (Ubuntu:5.10/breezy) for libnspr4
[09:43] <Greg_Wah> libnspr4 is already the newest version.
[09:43] <blueyed> Greg_Wah: use "/breezy"! copy'n'paste
[09:43] <blueyed> it will "downgrade"
[09:43] <Greg_Wah> crimsun: I'm fairly sure I do, are multiverse and universe included in that?
[09:43] <crimsun> Greg_Wah: not by default. You have to enable them.
[09:46] <Greg_Wah> blueyed: I did copy and paste "sudo apt-get install libnspr4/breezy" exactly
[09:48] <blueyed> Greg_Wah: then it's probably another problem.. you can track it down by following the packages that error.. like "sudo apt-get install eclipse-jdt".. and see where this errors (and how).
[09:50] <Greg_Wah> leads me to libgcj6 which I apparently have the newest version of
[09:50] <Greg_Wah> before that, I get   libgcj6-awt: Depends: libgcj6 (= 4.0.1-4ubuntu9) but 4.0.2-1 is to be installed
[09:51] <bddebian> dholbach: Did you get anywhere with tyvis?
[09:52] <dholbach> not really
[09:52] <bddebian> Or do you not have i386?
[09:52] <dholbach> i'm now doing a couple of test installs
[09:52] <dholbach> yes i do
[09:52] <dholbach> wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyTestPlan
[09:52] <bddebian> Ahh
[09:52] <dholbach> that's what i do atm
[09:52] <bddebian> So you've abandoned us again eh? ;-P
[09:52] <dholbach> sorry for that
[09:52] <dholbach> i'm horrible
[09:53] <bddebian> Bah :-)
[09:53] <slomo> Greg_Wah: where did you get your gcc from? we are at 4.0.1-something in breezy... 4.0.2 is only in debian afaik
[09:56] <Greg_Wah> slomo: think I probably got it from some debian repo's before this computer was networked, can/should I downgrade?
[09:57] <siretart> slomo: gcc --version is 4.0.2 for me (breezy/x86)
[09:57] <slomo> siretart: yes but it's a prerelease ;)
[09:57] <slomo> siretart: gcc (GCC) 4.0.2 20050808 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.0.1-4ubuntu9)
[09:58] <siretart> *shrug*
[09:58] <siretart> ;)
[09:58] <slomo> Greg_Wah: ok, then that's your problem ;)
[10:00] <bddebian> dholbach: See, this is what I get on i386:  tyvis/UniversalLongLongInteger.cc:107: error: integer constant is too large for 'long' type
[10:01] <Greg_Wah> lol
[10:01] <Greg_Wah> ouch
[10:04] <\sh> bddebian: which version of libgcrypt?
[10:04] <bddebian> \sh: I've got it thanks.  It's libgcrypt11-dev
[10:05] <\sh> ah
[10:05] <\sh> bddebian: should I build?
[10:05] <bddebian> \sh: If you want to, but I can do it now if you have better things to do :-)
[10:06] <\sh> bddebian: no just building ...
[10:06] <\sh> bddebian: I'm pbuilding now on 2 machines ;)
[10:06] <HiddenWolf> How complete/stable/done is xubuntu?
[10:12] <LaserJock> is Universe synced to Debian testing or unstable?
[10:12] <dholbach> sid
[10:13] <LaserJock> hhmm, ok
[10:13] <shawarma> Do you guys know what really rocks?
[10:13] <ajmitch> morning all
[10:13] <ajmitch> shawarma: breezy!
[10:14] <LaserJock> morning ajmitch (actually it's afternoon here, but whatever)
[10:14] <shawarma> Sitting in an auditorium for a math lecture and taking a look around at all the people sitting there with their laptops.. Around 50% of them are still lost and are running Windows. The rest... They all run Ubuntu. The earth-like colors are very revealing.
[10:14] <ajmitch> haha
[10:14] <shawarma> That was a  REALLY cool revelation for me.
[10:14] <ajmitch> impressive :)
[10:15] <shawarma> I love the feeling that I've played an - although tiny- part in making that happen. That stuff is great motivation.
[10:15] <ajmitch> :)
[10:16] <slomo> hi ajmitch :)
[10:16] <shawarma> me too
[10:16] <\sh> bddebian: uploaded
[10:16] <ajmitch> but at least I get to be in the presence of the Masters of the Universe :)
[10:16] <slomo> shawarma: so many people running ubuntu at your university? at mine it's over 90% running windows... :(
[10:17] <bddebian> \sh: Damn you.. ;-P
[10:17] <\sh> ajmitch: you sound like bddebian now..this is not your part ;)
[10:17] <ajmitch> \sh: I could never hope to be as good as bddebian :)
[10:18] <bddebian> FU
[10:18] <ajmitch> excuse me?
[10:18] <bddebian> :-)
[10:20] <shawarma> slomo: The university even recommend running Linux to their students.
[10:20] <bddebian> ajmitch: So help me fix tyvis :-)
[10:20] <shawarma> slomo: Well, they do from the third semester.
[10:21] <ajmitch> bddebian: can't
[10:21] <shawarma> slomo: When that semester starts, I'm going to be there with a batch of Dapper CD's.
[10:21] <ajmitch> bddebian: I don't have your skills :)
[10:21] <ajmitch> s/skills/stubbornness/ :)
[10:21] <bddebian> heh
[10:21] <ajmitch> rock, hopefully 20051012.2 is the very last & final iso for release
[10:24] <shawarma> bddebian: What's tyvis?
[10:25] <bddebian> shawarma: Dunno but I'm trying to fix it :-)
[10:25] <ajmitch> some antique electronics package that noone uses
[10:26] <ajmitch> http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?popcon=tyvis
[10:26] <ogra> ajmitch, did you try it too during cxx transition ?
[10:26] <ogra> didnt
[10:26] <LaserJock> when, was Breezy synced with Debian, at the very beginning?
[10:26] <ajmitch> ogra: not that I recall
[10:26] <ogra> LaserJock, all the time until UVF
[10:27] <LaserJock> an automatic sync?
[10:27] <ogra> yup
[10:27] <ogra> for all unmodified stuff
[10:27] <shawarma> bddebian: apt-cache search tyvis only gives a -dev package... That's odd.
[10:27] <LaserJock> I ask because I am working on scipy and the Debian package is from January and we have a package that is earlier
[10:28] <ogra> shawarma, apt-cache showsrc tyvis
[10:28] <ogra> shawarma, binary packages are for #ubuntu ;)
[10:28] <bddebian> shawarma: Or apt-cache madison tyvis
[10:29] <ogra> LaserJock, so nobody cared to sync it
[10:29] <shawarma> bddebian: what the fsck...
[10:29] <shawarma> bddebian: What's madison?
[10:29] <bddebian> Good question
[10:29] <LaserJock> ogra, thanks. that sucks but ok
[10:30] <shawarma> bddebian: Oh, well.. Why does tyvis need fixing?
[10:30] <ogra> LaserJock, easy fix... become a MOTU !
[10:30] <bddebian> shawarma: Because it FTBFSs.  Here is the first error:
[10:30] <bddebian>  tyvis/UniversalLongLongInteger.cc:107: error: integer constant is too large for 'long' type
[10:30] <ogra> shawarma, it doesnt build with gcc4
[10:31] <shawarma> ogra: Isn't it good enough if it builds with gcc3.4?
[10:31] <bddebian> But it builds on amd64.  Can you even use INT64_MAX on i386?
[10:31] <ogra> its a fallback, yes...
[10:32] <shawarma> ogra: Well, since the release is tomorrow, it seems a bit out of place fixing the code to compile with gcc4..
[10:32] <slomo> bddebian: sure... you also have a 64bit int type on x86... long long
[10:32] <ogra> shawarma, depends :)
[10:32] <bddebian> slomo: Then why does this fail? ;-P
[10:32] <LaserJock> if a packes needs a sync from Debian + ubuntu stuff do you have to sync from debian first?
[10:32] <ogra> shawarma, you wont get around testbuilding it several times either way
[10:32] <shawarma> bddebian: Because it should be long long instead of long?
[10:32] <bddebian> LaserJock: No
[10:32] <slomo> bddebian: because INT64_MAX is put into a long/int/short/whatever?
[10:33] <bddebian> Hmm
[10:33] <ogra> LaserJock, you merge them manually
[10:33] <shawarma> ogra: Exactly.. That's why I suppose the safer choice is gcc3.4. But who am I to teach you guys..
[10:33] <dholbach> gcc3.4 will be abandoned soon
[10:33] <ogra> shawarma, go ahead, try it, if it works we'll happily accept it
[10:33] <ogra> dholbach, not in breezy
[10:33] <dholbach> yes
[10:33] <dholbach> SOON
[10:34] <Nafallo> dholbach: and then we morgue the kernel? :-)
[10:34] <ogra> as long as the kernel needs it it wont :)
[10:34] <dholbach> and we have very old software in the archive, so yes, gcc3.4 can be used
[10:34] <dholbach> i meant upstream wise
[10:34] <dholbach> guys, you are all so picky today :)
[10:34] <dholbach> what's wrong?
[10:34] <slomo> dholbach: abandoned? i don't think so... at least kept as an option like all other gcc version ;)
[10:35] <ogra> dholbach, 12h sleep during 6 days ?
[10:35] <slomo> ogra: hmm, the kernel still doesn't work with 4.0? uh
[10:35] <dholbach> slomo: upstream
[10:35] <shawarma> ogra: Yeah, that'll make anyone grumpy.
[10:35] <Nafallo> grumpy groundhog :-)
[10:36] <ogra> shawarma, half the crew is in this state... dholbach too he just pretends to be fresh to encourage us all to not stop the work... ;)
[10:36] <shawarma> I was thinking.... After tomorrow, what do we do about bugfixes? Are they totally off limits?
[10:36] <dholbach> yeah guys? are you restless? bored?
[10:36] <ogra> hehe
[10:36] <dholbach> you think everythings fixed? all CDs tested already?
[10:36] <dholbach> here! we! go! :)
[10:37] <shawarma> I for one don't think it was very cool that mplayer in hoary never was able to play DVD's because of the ac3-bug.. That sort of thing should really be allowed to be fixed, IMO.
[10:37] <Nafallo> well, ENOBANDWIDTH :-P
[10:38] <Nafallo> shawarma: bug slomo about media-stuff ;-)
[10:38] <dredg> holy crap perl is evil
[10:38] <dredg> and by perl i mean cpan
[10:38] <dredg> and by cpan i mean "weh! :("
[10:39] <bddebian> hmmm:
[10:39] <bddebian> tyvis/UniversalLongLongInteger.cc:107: error: call of overloaded 'UniversalLongLongInteger(long long int)' is ambiguous
[10:40] <ogra> long long int ?
[10:40] <slomo> long long int == long long... doesn't matter which one you use afaik
[10:41] <ogra> probably gcc4 is a bit more stricht about "doesn't matter which one you use afaik" ;)
[10:41] <ogra> strict too
[10:41] <slomo> probably... wouldn't surprise me ;)
[10:41] <slomo> with 3.X it worked :P
[10:41] <bddebian> So make it long long ?
[10:42] <slomo> bddebian: try it
[10:44] <dsas> To close or otherwise edit the statuses of malone bugs I presume I need some form of special privileges ?
[10:44] <\sh> dholbach: ping...is glimmer saying anything to you?
[10:44] <shawarma> glimmer? The editor?
[10:45] <dholbach> \sh: yes, i did something to it ages ago
[10:45] <shawarma> Does that even exist anymore?
[10:45] <\sh> dholbach: could u have a new look on it when u have time during the night ?,-)
[10:45] <\sh> or anybody else with enough gtk knowledge
[10:45] <slomo> \sh: why? what fails?
[10:46] <slomo> i have nothing to do atm ;)
[10:46] <\sh> slomo: a lot
[10:46] <bddebian> Hmm, I don't even see it doing long long int
[10:46] <shawarma> Wasn't glimmer superseded by something else? Or was it the other way around?
[10:46] <bddebian> slomo: Help me fix this :-)
[10:46] <dholbach> thanks slomo
[10:46] <dholbach> brb
[10:46] <slomo> \sh: i'll take a look
[10:47] <slomo> \sh: "Latest Release: Thursday January 10, 2002"
[10:47] <slomo> haha
[10:47] <slomo> oh i remember... i used it in a previous life ;)
[10:50] <\sh> slomo: should I quote elmo?
[10:51] <slomo> \sh: no, let me first see the problem... maybe we can fix it ;)
[10:51] <slomo> but it should be a valid morgue candidate otherwise... but elmo doesn't like to remove stuff it seems...
[10:52] <\sh> o-voice elmo: it's not a morgue candidate, if you can't fix the source right now ;)
[10:52] <\sh> it needs to be a real serious request
[10:52] <slomo> hmm
[10:52] <slomo> ok =)
[10:53] <slomo> but at some point we should remove all the gtk 1.2 crap ;P
[10:54] <\sh> hmmm...
[10:54] <\sh> hmmmm...?
[10:55] <\sh> hmmmmm.....!!!
[10:55] <slomo> hmhm?!
[10:55] <\sh> my ex' mind is somehow not ok
[10:56] <\sh> if I understand the last sms correctly, she would like to try a new beginning
[10:57] <slomo> hmm... why is this odd?
[10:58] <xhaker> i  find it way odd
[10:58] <xhaker> since i don't know what is he talking about
[10:59] <\sh> xhaker: forget it :) I'm only thinking loud
[10:59] <xhaker> hehe.. first time i read i read it ex-wife.. but then it's not what it says
[10:59] <slomo> bddebian: what's up?
[11:00] <\sh> xhaker: it's my ex-gf...but after 7 years it's more ex-wife ;)
[11:00] <bddebian> Yikes
[11:01] <bddebian> slomo: I can't find where it's declaring long long int
[11:01] <\sh> this would be funny....breezy release and getting my girl back?
[11:01] <ajmitch> \sh: hmm?
[11:01] <ajmitch> \sh: you think it might work out?
[11:01] <ajmitch> see, breezy makes your life just.. breezy ;)
[11:02] <\sh> ajmitch: honestly normally a 2nd try never worked for me...so I'm quite puzzled now
[11:02] <\sh> (speaking of relationships)
[11:03] <xhaker> i'm actually giving my gf her second oportunity now.. after 2 years
[11:05] <slomo> bddebian: hm? long long shouldn't be declared somewhere... you can use it out of the box ;) or what do you mean?
[11:05] <xhaker> after i seperated from her.. she kinda tricked me to go with her spend some holidays on a sunny island.. damn woman.. she tricked me right
[11:05] <slomo> \sh: glimmer seems to be easy
[11:05] <\sh> slomo: k...I'm trying to fix some gnustep apps now
[11:06] <shawarma> \sh: In Denmark we have a proverb: "Never go back to a fuser" where fuser is piece of fireworks that didn't go off..
[11:06] <slomo> \sh: where did you get the glimmer request from?
[11:07] <\sh> slomo: i386 ftbfs list
[11:07] <slomo> \sh: "<\sh> it needs to be a real serious request" <--- ?
[11:07] <shawarma> Oh! Just talked to my girlfriend. She won't be home for almost another hour, so I have time to fix a few things... Where to look?
[11:07] <shawarma> Do we have a prioritized list?
[11:08] <\sh> slomo: that belonged to the morgue stuff
[11:08] <\sh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFS
[11:09] <\sh> ^ shawarma
[11:09] <shawarma> got it
[11:09] <\sh> shawarma: please check the list of already done packages..cause until now, I didn't remove all my packages e.g. :(
[11:10] <\sh> shawarma: and the universeftbfs<arch>-lists are binary packages
[11:11] <\sh> Nafallo: wow..works ;)
[11:12] <bddebian> slomo: UniversalLongLongInteger is declared as long long int somewhere I think but I don't see where.  Of course I don't know C++ for shit either
[11:12] <Nafallo> \sh: :-)
[11:12] <shawarma> bddebian: Are you using pbuilder?
[11:12] <Nafallo> \sh: surprised? ;-)
[11:12] <bddebian> shawarma: Yep
[11:12] <slomo> bddebian: oh no... what package is it?
[11:12] <\sh> Nafallo: I can't see this happening with the nick, when I'm disconnecting ;)
[11:13] <Nafallo> \sh: hihi :-)
[11:13] <bddebian> slomo: tyvis
[11:13] <slomo> bddebian: i believe i looked at it and was unable to fix it ;)
[11:13] <shawarma> bddebian: You're not forgetting to build a new source package before throwing it at pbuilder? I did that a while ago and just couldn't  understand why the stuff I was fixing never took effect.
[11:14] <slomo> bddebian: but i hate c++... so maybe that's the problem ;)
[11:14] <shawarma> bddebian: Needless to say, I felt pretty dumb, but that's the stuff I start doing when I've been at it for hours and hours..
[11:14] <bddebian> slomo: Nah, that isn't my problem this go-round but I have done that :-)
[11:14] <ajmitch> shawarma: don't worry, I did some fairly dumb things trying to upload at 3am this morning ;)
[11:15] <ajmitch> luckily I caught them before I destroyed the universe
[11:15] <shawarma> ajmitch: Oh  my.. surely it wasn't that bad?
[11:17] <slomo> \sh: fixed... do you have another one? ;)
[11:17] <\sh> slomo: check the list ;)
[11:17] <\sh> there are a lot ;)
[11:17] <Nafallo> \sh: which list? FTBFS?
[11:17] <\sh> jepp
[11:18] <Nafallo> when will universe close?
[11:19] <\sh> tomorrow...we need a deadline somehow
[11:20] <bddebian> slomo: xgsmlib, boson-base ;-P
[11:20] <Nafallo> damn we need a better system than wikipages for those stuff...
[11:20] <bddebian> Nafallo: Aye
[11:20] <LaserJock> I agree
[11:20] <slomo> Nafallo++
[11:20] <slomo> so make one ;)
[11:21] <Nafallo> must be some nice system already done somewhere?
[11:21] <bddebian> A table with checkmarks for each arch? :-)
[11:21] <bddebian> s/checkmarks/checkboxes
[11:21] <slomo> bddebian: i'll take a look at those two... thanks ;)
[11:23] <slomo> \sh: too bad we didn't get a fix for that evolution freeze :(
[11:25] <LaserJock> what's the best way to get a sync from  elmo? email?
[11:25] <Nafallo> LaserJock: yes, if he doesn't answer on IRC
[11:26] <slomo> glimmer_1.2.1-4ubuntu2_source.changes REJECTED
[11:26] <slomo> Rejected: Uploads to hoary are not accepted.
[11:26] <slomo> oh no =)
[11:26] <bddebian> OK, time to head home and see if I can salvage my laptop.  Later gang
[11:26] <\sh> slomo: yeah
[11:26] <bddebian> slomo: ;-)
[11:26] <slomo> \sh: i already deleted it :P
[11:28] <Nafallo> slomo: lol. never delete before katie tell you to :-P.
[11:28] <\sh> slomo: tsts
[11:28] <Unfrgiven> hi all :)
[11:28] <Unfrgiven> not long to go now!
[11:28] <slomo> ha, pbuilder did a backup for me :)
[11:28] <Nafallo> slomo: :-)
[11:36] <Unfrgiven> can anyone give me a hand in packaging the intro developer docs?
[11:36] <Unfrgiven> im currently (frantically) trying to finish the worked example section and simultaneously test that the document is accurate
[11:36] <Unfrgiven> if someone could in the meanwhile create a package for me that would be great
[11:36] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: I'd really like to see it exported as PDF :)
[11:36] <ajmitch> since OOo2 is an unwieldy beast
[11:37] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: i'll be doing so. i plan to ship it as a pdf and odt
[11:37] <ajmitch> I was struggling to read the docs because of OOo slowness
[11:37] <ajmitch> great
[11:37] <Unfrgiven> OOo2 does export to pdf.
[11:37] <ajmitch> I know
[11:37] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: are you able to give me a hand with it?
[11:37] <ajmitch> at work at the moment
[11:37] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: doh. when does the universe rep for breezy close?
[11:38] <ajmitch> 'real soon now'
[11:38] <Unfrgiven> anyone else here able to help?
[11:38] <Unfrgiven> if it doesnt get packaged, it wont make the cut :(
[11:38] <ajmitch> you haven't got it packaged yet?
[11:39] <Unfrgiven> no. yesterday i got home close to midnight :(
[11:39] <ajmitch> man you're cutting it real fine :)
[11:39] <Unfrgiven> ive been sleeping like 5 hrs a night for the last week, im shattered so i couldn't do it last night
[11:39] <ajmitch> since it still has to pass NEW
[11:39] <Unfrgiven> work has been killing me
[11:39] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: what do you recommend?
[11:39] <slomo> ajmitch: elmo is fast with NEW today... needed 20 minutes for one package earlier today ;)
[11:41] <Unfrgiven> slomo: i havent made the package yet. all i have is the odt right now. im looking for someone to give me a hand packaging it
[11:41] <ajmitch> someone *please * help Unfrgiven get this in
[11:42] <Lathiat> Unfrgiven: what are you packaging?
[11:42] <Unfrgiven> intro developer docs
[11:42] <slomo> Unfrgiven: what kind of package is it? i can make one if you don't mind... would be faster than telling you everything
[11:42] <Unfrgiven> it was a breezy goal.
[11:42] <slomo> where can one get them?
[11:43] <Unfrgiven> slomo: http://ankur.ath.cx/ubuntu/IntroDeveloperDoc_v0.05.odt
[11:43] <Unfrgiven> slomo: it needs to be exported to pdf as well.
[11:43] <Unfrgiven> ill be uploading a new version of the document soon
[11:44] <slomo> ok... and what should happen with this? should it go into /usr/share/doc/introdeveloperdoc or what?
[11:44] <Lathiat> slomo: warning
[11:44] <Lathiat> err
[11:44] <Lathiat> Unfrgiven:
[11:44] <Lathiat> Unfrgiven: capital U in Ubuntu
[11:44] <Lathiat> in the archive URLs
[11:44] <Lathiat> at least in the chroot bit
[11:45] <Lathiat> cd Debian too
[11:45] <Unfrgiven> Lathiat: damn. search and replace mistake. ill fix it
[11:45] <Lathiat> lots of auto-capitalization issues
[11:45] <Lathiat> also your top logo looks a little top squished
[11:45] <Lathiat> looks nifty otherwise
[11:45] <Unfrgiven> slomo: package name: introdeveloperdocs. dir: /usr/share/doc/introdeveloperdocs
[11:46] <Lathiat> Debian/patches/00list
[11:46] <Lathiat> right at the bottom too
[11:46] <Lathiat> so yeh, check all the ubuntu/debian caps
[11:46] <Lathiat> and im off to bed
[11:46] <Lathiat> since its 6am
[11:46] <LaserJock> can I get a MOTU to look at/upload a python-scipy debdiff for me?
[11:46] <slomo> Unfrgiven: nothing more? that would be really easy to do...
[11:47] <sistpoty> did you get the tyvis issue sorted out?
[11:48] <Unfrgiven> Lathiat: thanks a ton :)
[11:49] <ivoks> champain anyone? :)
[11:49] <Nafallo> ivoks: why?
[11:49] <slomo> ivoks: not yet :P
[11:49] <ivoks> slomo: when? :)
[11:49] <Nafallo> ivoks: after release? ;-)
[11:50] <LaserJock> anybody?
[11:50] <slomo> Unfrgiven: short and long description?
[11:52] <ivoks> it's 13th allready :)
[11:52] <Unfrgiven> slomo: short: an introductory look at packaging applications for Ubuntu.
[11:52] <sistpoty> ivoks: no, it's not ;)
[11:52] <ivoks> it is in new zeland :)
[11:53] <Unfrgiven> slomo: long: The following document attempts to describe the process of creating Debian packages. The target audience of this document is aimed at experienced Ubuntu/Debian users and prospective developers. The concepts in the document are backed up with examples so that readers may participate.
[11:53] <sistpoty> hehe ivoks
[11:53] <slomo> Unfrgiven: copyright notes?
[11:54] <slomo> Unfrgiven: is there some commandline utility to convert odt to pdf? i only know three with GUI ;)
[11:54] <Unfrgiven> slomo: copyright: GPL2
[11:55] <Unfrgiven> slomo: not sure about the CLI utility.... wonder if anyone else knows?
[11:57] <ajmitch> not without writing an OOo macro
[11:57] <ajmitch> from what a quick google search shows
[11:57] <ivoks> ajmitch: so, it 13th there? :)
[11:57] <ajmitch> of course
[11:57] <ivoks> ajmitch: where is champaine? :)
[11:57] <slomo> ok, Unfrgiven give me a pdf then which fullfills your needs ;) the one i created doesn't look good in evince...
[11:58] <ajmitch> ivoks: no release yet..
[11:58] <ivoks> ajmitch: ah, couple of hours...
[11:58] <Unfrgiven> slomo: im going to drop the ubuntu logo as the OOo2 pdf creator doesn't seem to like it.
[11:58] <slomo> ajmitch: is it ok to ship something released under gpl without the "source"? i.e. only the pdf?
[11:58] <slomo> Unfrgiven: yes, that was my problem too :(
[11:58] <Unfrgiven> slomo: can't we ship the odt and the pdf?
[11:58] <slomo> Unfrgiven: ok, sounds better... we'll do that
[11:59] <LaserJock> sorry for asking again but can I get somebody to look at debdiff / upload for me?
[12:01] <\sh> oh good morning germany...it's breezy badgers day
[12:01] <\sh> please stay tuned until universe is fixed ;)
[12:01] <\sh> LaserJock: where's the diff?