[12:44] <martinhj> how is it with sharing of memory between the same applications with different users - like five instances of epiphany on five different terminals running at the same time - will they share some of the memory on the terminal server?
[12:44] <ogra> sure
[12:45] <ogra> thats not dependent to the terminal server...
[12:47] <martinhj> oh?
[12:48] <ogra> its a feature of linux... and multiuser systems in genereal...
[12:48] <martinhj> ok, that's good
[12:48] <ogra> the terminal server only gives you the access... for computing you have the kernel :)
[12:49] <martinhj> yeah, of course:-)
[12:49] <martinhj> but how efficient is it?
[12:50] <martinhj> if, say, epiphany uses about 11MB RAM for one user and 12MB for another (counting the shared memory for both)- how much of that memory is shared (if it's possible to measure like that)
[12:51] <ogra> i guess you can measure it but i never did myself :) look for documentation about kernel profiling
[12:52] <martinhj> ok, thank you for your time.. think this part of muliuser systems are interesting:-)
[12:52] <ogra> yes, me too :) 
[12:53] <martinhj> seen the new userful system?
[12:54] <martinhj> seems interesting
[12:54] <ogra> yes, i hope they once consider open sourcing their stuff...
[12:55] <martinhj> yeah, I saw they didn't
[12:55] <martinhj> but couldn't be that much?
[12:55] <martinhj> much code I mean
[12:56] <ogra> no idea, i had not much time to look close at such things the last weeks... prerelease is always eating time :)
[12:57] <martinhj> but I didn't know that multiseat in X had become stable yet
[12:58] <martinhj> prerelease fo edubuntu, or both edub. and ubuntu?
[01:02] <ogra> i'm mainly doing edubuntu, but have to fix ubuntu bugs too...
[01:02] <ogra> we ship multiseat since hoary ;)
[01:03] <martinhj> oh, I didn't know:-)
[01:06] <martinhj> i can see there is a system for user-specific devices in multiseat
[01:06] <martinhj> is it something like that in edubuntu to?
[01:18] <ogra> i dont know, i never worked with multiseat ...
[01:18] <ogra> but you can ask me everything about ubuntus ltsp ;)
[01:40] <martinhj> ogra: I thought if user-specific devices works with ltsp.. and how...
[01:41] <ogra> not yet... there are several approaches, but no right solution imho
[01:41] <martinhj> is this something we will see in the future?
[01:42] <ogra> its on my list for dapper... highest priority
[01:43] <ogra> audio device access and local device access (cameras, usb drives etc)
[01:43] <martinhj> yes.. would be nice
[02:11] <thelusiv> will edubuntu be released at the same time as ubuntu breezy?
[02:11] <crimsun> yes.
[02:11] <thelusiv> cool :) i just learned about the project today...i've been looking for a good education-oriented os for my son
[02:12] <thelusiv> and i like ubuntu already...
[02:12] <crimsun> excellent
[02:13] <thelusiv> i'm a developer too, so i would like to help the project somehow
[02:14] <thelusiv> i'm going to download the release when it's up, but in the mean time how is the project different from regular ubuntu?
[02:17] <ogra> thelusiv, it has some added educational software, another artwork, it includes ltsp in the default install and schooltool, a nice school scheduling app...
[02:17] <ogra> thelusiv, this is what we'll release tomorrow: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20051012.2/ just doing the last test install here
[02:19] <thelusiv> cool, thanks
[02:19] <thelusiv> so what kind of educational software? i'm guessing gcompris, childsplay, tuxpaint, and the like?
[02:20] <ogra> thelusiv, als worth a read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallNotes
[02:20] <ogra> yup... not chidlsplay...the space on one iso is to small for chidlsplay *and* gcompris and a distro :)
[02:20] <thelusiv> ah hehe
[02:21] <thelusiv> yeah my son's been using gcompris mostly anyway...
[02:21] <ogra> but most of the kdeedu suite is there too...
[02:21] <ogra> and you can easily install childsplay, its just not there by default :)
[02:21] <thelusiv> yeah i figured
[02:21] <thelusiv> so is it kde-based
[02:22] <ogra> nope
[02:23] <ogra> KDE and gnome integrate quite well nowadays
[02:24] <thelusiv> ok
[02:24] <thelusiv> has ktouch come along any?
[02:25] <thelusiv> the version i have installed for ubuntu hoary has some problems
[02:25] <thelusiv> like it won't keep track of your progress
[02:28] <ogra> it works fine here, tested 2 mins ago :)
[02:35] <thelusiv> cool
[02:35] <thelusiv> well i'll definitely give it a spin, and then try to find some way to get involved :)
[02:36] <ogra> just ping me in some days... (i'm pretty exhausted after building the release will need a 2 day nap )
[02:36] <thelusiv> hehe, ok
[02:37] <ogra> ;)
[02:37] <ogra> every helping hand is welcome here :)
[03:51] <highvoltage> ok, so who else is awake :)
[03:56] <crimsun> I am so going to sleep tomorrow
[03:57] <ogra> hehe, me too
[03:57] <ogra> but first i have to redo my CD :(
[03:57] <ogra> its scratched... 
[03:58] <highvoltage> :(
[03:58] <highvoltage> ogra: how long have you been awake?
[03:58] <ogra> 25 or 30h no idea...
[03:59] <ogra> if i count them i get more tired .... sheep, you know :)
[04:00] <highvoltage> hehe
[04:12] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: morning
[04:12] <jsgotangco> hey
[04:12] <jsgotangco> doing an all-nighter?
[04:13] <highvoltage> no, that's ogra ;)
[04:13] <jsgotangco> mmm the wiki is merged already
[04:13] <highvoltage> i went to bed at 10 and got up at 3, so i at least had 5 hours of sleep, ogra only slept 30 mins!
[04:13] <highvoltage> yep.
[04:15] <jsgotangco> errr where are the wiki entries?
[04:16] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: which ones, specifically? i can see them.
[04:17] <jsgotangco> well going to wiki.edubuntu.org gives me the ubuntu wiki i want to see our old wiki frontpage
[04:20] <highvoltage> oh yes, the edubuntu wiki is at /EdubuntuWiki
[04:21] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[04:21] <highvoltage> the main page has just been fixed to link to /EdubuntuWiki instead
[04:21] <jsgotangco> i see henrik's page instead of the old frontpage
[04:22] <jsgotangco> its in /Edubuntu
[04:23] <jsgotangco> there's still some pages that need fixing
[04:30] <ogra> i find the merge quite odd
[04:30] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/Community
[04:30] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Community
[04:31] <ogra> we'll have to prefix everything now...
[04:32] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:33] <jsgotangco> more fun =)
[04:33] <ogra> hmm
[04:34] <ogra> oh, and editing subpages with the css bug is *very* hard... you only have a 10 char wide input fied
[04:41] <highvoltage> /name/names
[04:42] <ogra> yes
[04:42] <ogra> try to edit such a page :) 
[04:43] <highvoltage> "/name/names" was an accident, but i'm sure you're just joking ;)
[04:45] <ogra> noe
[04:45] <ogra> try editing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero/BOFs while you have the edubuntu theme enabled
[04:48] <highvoltage> oh yes, the css breaks on sub-pages. hno73 knows about it, i think he looked into it last night (our time)
[04:48] <ogra> yup
[04:50] <highvoltage> peh!! i can edit files in the edubuntu docroot, but can't create new files
[04:50] <highvoltage> but i can in ./images, so i'll but news there temporarily
[04:54] <highvoltage> ogra: do you know of someone who has root access on orcadas that I could bother quickly?
[04:55] <ogra> i dont even know what orcadas is
[04:55] <ogra> bt elmo is still awake i guess
[04:55] <highvoltage> i /msg'd him
[05:04] <highvoltage> elmo++
[05:05] <ogra> :)
[05:09] <highvoltage> anyone good with enrish please check for grammar? http://www.edubuntu.org/news.html
[05:10] <highvoltage> (and other typos/spelling mistakes, etc)
[05:11] <crimsun> sure, sec
[05:12] <jsgotangco> that's the wrong wallpaper
[05:12] <jsgotangco> edubuntu girl is the default wallpaper
[05:12] <jsgotangco> =)
[05:13] <highvoltage> is it!?
[05:13] <highvoltage> yippeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:13] <highvoltage> ok, i'll change it, have to download edubuntu girl again
[05:13] <highvoltage> hmm... that sounded weird.
[05:13] <highvoltage> geez, then i'll have to do some screenshots over again.
[05:13] <jsgotangco> i guess you haven't been reading the list
[05:14] <crimsun> hmm, it would probably be snazzier to say "Edubuntu makes its debut!". You also need a comma after "The Breezy Badger". It may sound better to say "...and other quality software that you will also find in Ubuntu."
[05:15] <crimsun> Try using "...only one day before the first release"
[05:15] <crimsun> Don't need the comma after "...tightly integrates with the Edubuntu wiki"
[05:16] <crimsun> and of course "mailing list", not "mailinsg list"
[05:17] <crimsun> (other than that, it's better to use "Web site" and not "website", but that's your call)
[05:17] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i am behind on the list :(
[05:18] <highvoltage> crimsun: thanks, i will apply changes in about 5 mins, i'm nutral on Web site vs website.
[05:18] <crimsun> np
[05:30] <highvoltage> we have some screenshots up now: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuScreenShots
[05:31] <mhz> moin all here
[05:31] <highvoltage> the screenshots still needs links to bigger versions, and i need new screenshots with our favourite edubuntu girl
[05:31] <highvoltage> hi mhz 
[05:31] <mhz> heyp
[05:31] <mhz> sorry, High
[05:31] <mhz> :)
[05:31] <highvoltage> mhz: np, P = I.V
[05:32] <highvoltage> or something like that :)
[05:32] <mhz> there's a problem with permissions, I guess, on one of the merged pages
[05:32] <mhz> it is EdubuntuNews/20051012
[05:33] <mhz> it looks like hell
[05:33] <ogra> mhz, all subpages are broken
[05:33] <mhz> not all? all as in 'all'???
[05:33] <ogra> everything that has a extra / in its path
[05:34] <mhz> but it's strange broken. broken should not show an existing page, should it?
[05:35] <ogra> no idea, you are the wiki specialist :)
[05:35] <mhz> mmmmhhhh, unless they are rendered form cache
[05:35] <mhz> (server cache)
[05:36] <mhz> arkan0x: ping
[05:36] <highvoltage> crimsun: sure we don't need a comma after "integrates with the Edubuntu wiki"? i think its good there.
[05:36] <highvoltage> mhz: we're going to delet EdubuntuNews/20051012
[05:36] <crimsun> you can leave it, highvoltage 
[05:36] <mhz> ok
[05:36] <highvoltage> it's being replaced with http://www.edubuntu.org/news.html
[05:37] <highvoltage> and that will be changing to (or at least, it's busy changing as we speak)
[05:37] <mhz> highvoltage: any chance wiki admin can install SlideShow plugin?
[05:38] <mhz> it is really cool, esp. when showing off the potential of moin content :)
[05:38] <highvoltage> crimsun: i changed it to "web site", i can't justify using a capital letter there :)
[05:39] <mhz> capital? you mean CamelCase?
[05:39] <highvoltage> no, as in "website" vs "Web site" vs "web site"
[05:39] <highvoltage> 05:15 < crimsun> (other than that, it's better to use "Web site" and not
[05:39] <highvoltage>                  "website", but that's your call)
[05:39] <mhz> ooohhh, duh!
[05:39] <highvoltage> refering to the news page.
[05:39] <highvoltage> :)
[05:40] <mhz> ok, that happens to me for breaking up into conversations :D
[05:40] <highvoltage> it's entirely possible that I'm not making sense either, it's stil 5:40am here :)
[05:41] <mhz> lol
[05:41] <highvoltage> mhz: i think you probably know about the edubuntu wiki and ubuntu wiki has merged
[05:41] <mhz> yep
[05:41] <highvoltage> mhz: it propably wouldn't be too difficult to convince the admin to have it installed
[05:41] <mhz> educool!
[05:42] <highvoltage> i think we should get that done after we've got the most basic things working.
[05:42] <highvoltage> in other words, it's a bit lower priority right now ;)
[05:42] <highvoltage> but keep that thought, i think it's a good ide.a
[05:42] <mhz> We, in Tecnocimiento, always use it. It's very handy and reduces double work
[05:42] <highvoltage> anyone have a screenshot of the desktop with edubuntu girl for me?
[05:43] <mhz> are you being mean? or serious?
[05:43] <highvoltage> and if possible, the shots with these menus: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuScreenShots
[05:43] <highvoltage> the top two
[05:43] <ogra> highvoltage, i can make one, yust wait until the install finished
[05:43] <highvoltage> mhz: about the slideshow plugin? serious, how could you take that as being mean!
[05:43] <highvoltage> ogra: thanks
[05:44] <mhz> highvoltage: I meant about the 'girl' screenshot
[05:44] <mhz> :)
[05:44] <mhz> but i realize it is part of the general work
[05:45] <ogra> highvoltage, oh, damned i have a german install running here
[05:45] <highvoltage> mhz: no, i'm always serious about edubuntu girl, i would never, ever joke about her.
[05:45] <highvoltage> ogra: send it, i can't see a problem with it.
[05:45] <highvoltage> at least people will see that it has multi-language support ;)
[05:45] <ogra> it will take a bit more then... since  need to do all tests before i change something
[05:45] <highvoltage> ok, np.
[05:46] <mhz> highvoltage: you seem to have a bit of latin DNA in your blood... you just have that ironic-sneaky sense of humour
[05:46] <ogra> you also need a normal one for the webpage, right ?
[05:46] <highvoltage> mhz: mhuhahahahahaha
[05:47] <highvoltage> ogra: yes, i think.
[05:47] <ogra> oki
[05:47] <highvoltage> what would an ubuntu user use to burn .iso images in Ubuntu?
[05:47] <highvoltage> i use cdrecord, but it's not something i want to suggest on the wiki.
[05:48] <ogra> you right click the iso file and select "burn to disc"
[05:48] <highvoltage> cool.
[05:49] <mhz> ogra: I almost forgot it... the install I am using to train Tecnocimiento gang did not work well at the end because of a 'Trident' video card (too old?) However, one of the hardware guys managed to make it work ok. Nevertheless, clients boot up and get to LDM but we could not make them start a session. After password, they always got back to LDM
[05:49] <ogra> highvoltage, but a ubuntu user would be silly to make an iso...
[05:50] <ogra> mhz, ltsp-update-sshkeys ?
[05:50] <mhz> hmmm, we didn't try it, boooh
[05:50] <ogra> highvoltage, you waste a lot less bandwith if you just dist upgrade and install edubuntu on top
[05:50] <mhz> ok, we'll do first thing tomorrow (meaning 3 PM, almost)
[05:51] <highvoltage> ogra: i'm not sure i understand you
[05:51] <ogra> ping me, if i'm awake (very unlikely) i might be able to help :)
[05:52] <ogra> highvoltage, <highvoltage> what would an ubuntu user use to burn .iso images in Ubuntu?
[05:52] <mhz> ogra: so a guy like me could do: server install -> xubuntu-desktop -> edubuntu-server ? and that will not provide GNOME?
[05:52] <ogra> i thought you referred to a edubuntu iso
[05:52] <highvoltage> ogra: i just needed to put it here: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/DownloadEdubuntu
[05:52] <highvoltage> i think we'll need to clean up that bottom part,
[05:52] <highvoltage> and eventually add some screenshots just to make it look cool.
[05:53] <highvoltage> crap.
[05:53] <ogra> hm, kay...
[05:53] <highvoltage> where can I find the edubuntu community page?
[05:53] <highvoltage> does it still exist somewhere?
[05:53] <mhz> yes
[05:53] <ogra> but if you are already running ubuntu there is no need to download an iso :)
[05:53] <mhz> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/Community
[05:54] <ogra> highvoltage, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Community
[05:54] <ogra> i think you need to make that EdubuntuCommunity
[05:54] <mhz> yes
[05:54] <ogra> else you'll confuse ubuntu...
[05:55] <highvoltage> ok, thanks.
[05:55] <highvoltage> yes, it confused me too :)
[05:55] <ogra> it confuses me all day already... i really think merging the wikis wasnt right
[05:56] <ogra> especially since the css doesnt change dynamically...
[05:56] <mhz> I would have 2nd thoughts, but maybe I would have opted for usign InterWiki feature instead
[05:56] <highvoltage> i think it was just a bad time to merge wiki's
[05:57] <jsgotangco> (it wasn't right really)
[05:57] <mhz> lol
[05:57] <jsgotangco> (edubuntu has its own audience)
[05:57] <mhz> but maybe, just maybe, it was never right to hav diff /data dirs
[05:58] <ogra> the merge would be fine if it would actually work right...
[05:58] <mhz> jsgotangco: i agree on the diff audience but take wikipedia for exapmple. Imagine diff /data dirs for diff audiences?
[05:58] <jsgotangco> well true
[05:58] <ogra> my concern with it is that i have the same css everywhere, i can not visually see in which wiki i am currently...
[05:59] <mhz> I believe the 'idea' of merging is that we all get quickly to related data and metadata
[05:59] <ogra> also the contents totally mix up and the ubuntu wiki is a mess in many places...
[05:59] <mhz> ogra: i see.
[05:59] <ogra> and my biggest coincern is ITS SOOOO SLOOOOW you can hardly use it
[06:00] <mhz> ogra: regarding css/ maybe a good idea could be to start using UbuntuTemplate, KubuntuTemplate, EdubuntuTemplate, etc. Templates can contain <html>
[06:00] <ogra> i had moments today where i waited 2mins for a preview to appear
[06:00] <jsgotangco> mhz, the ubuntu wiki is a mess really
[06:00] <highvoltage> ogra: i agree with you on the css part, i would have also liked to know in which wiki i was, or at least, know if something was edubuntu specific or not
[06:01] <jsgotangco> HomepageCategory won't work here for sure navigation-wise
[06:01] <ogra> highvoltage, it works fine if you are logged out
[06:01] <mhz> lol
[06:01] <highvoltage> :)
[06:01] <highvoltage> do we need a longer explanation here: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/Community
[06:02] <jsgotangco> lunch brb
[06:02] <mhz> jsgotangco: mess? yes! can be improved? yes, too! How soon? no idea! but we definately have to figure out
[06:02] <jsgotangco> mhz, it has been a mess since last year :P
[06:02] <mhz> ooooh
[06:02] <ogra> highvoltage, wh didnt you just rename it ?
[06:02] <jsgotangco> Moin -> zwiki -> Moin
[06:02] <highvoltage> ogra: what would be the difference?
[06:03] <ogra> mhz, it gets messed up every day, i doubt anyone could cope with that
[06:03] <highvoltage> i'm not too familiar with moin, and i think there should be a /Community page that links to UbuntuCommunity, EdubuntuCommunity and KubuntuCommunity.
[06:03] <highvoltage> or should it?
[06:03] <highvoltage> i don't know. ignore me.
[06:03] <ogra> highvoltage, you wouldnt have a useless Community page in the ubuntu wiki ;)
[06:03] <mhz> mmmhhhh, we could, i know but it takes 'guts', much of it!
[06:04] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, i was thinking of keeping it there just in case we have links to it
[06:04] <highvoltage> from within the wiki the bar at the top links to /Community
[06:04] <ogra> highvoltage, yes, that needs fixing
[06:04] <mhz> highvoltage: or you can use #redirect NameOfNewPage
[06:04] <highvoltage> my word, is it my imagination, or is our site/wiki actually coming together in some way.
[06:05] <ogra> mhz, that would still redirect all ubuntu users
[06:05] <highvoltage> mhz: ah, ok. i'll do that. ooh, ok. perhaps not.
[06:05] <mhz> lol
[06:05] <mhz> lol
[06:05] <mhz> lol
[06:05] <ogra> heh
[06:05] <highvoltage> i think it's good like it is, if someone doesn't, change it.
[06:05] <ogra> highvoltage, its a wiki !
[06:05] <mhz> can it be immutable, then?
[06:05] <ogra> everybody changes everything everyday
[06:05] <highvoltage> yes! it makes deligation so easy!
[06:06] <mhz> highvoltage: ogra: jsgotangco: i see you r points, but please see what wikipedia does to "effectively" solve this same issues and have everything lot better organized
[06:07] <mhz> ogra: we can still apply ACL
[06:07] <ogra> mhz, we wont use php anywhere on a official server
[06:07] <highvoltage> mhz: i use mediawiki much more than moin ;)
[06:07] <mhz> highvoltage: we could still apply SomeGroups, OtherGroups, etc. and each group be responsible for the content
[06:08] <mhz> ogra: I am not talking about php, nor mediawki ( highvoltage ), i mean "organization"
[06:09] <highvoltage> mhz: yes, lets keep the groupnames as vague as possible, I propose we use the groupnames "SomeGroups", "OtherGroups", "MoreGroups", "UselessGroups", "WatcherGroups".
[06:09] <mhz> hehehe, for instance, yes. As long as they commit to be responsible for their content
[06:09] <mhz> cleaning, reversing, editng, deleting, etc
[06:10] <highvoltage> mhz: ok, i'm not responsible for the wiki though, could you make a list of things we would like to see changing on the wiki?
[06:10] <highvoltage> (preferably, ON the wiki? ;) )
[06:10] <mhz> seriusly/
[06:10] <highvoltage> yes, seriously. things tend to go forgotten if it's mentioned on irc.
[06:10] <mhz> highvoltage: do you mean it? can we suggest such changes?
[06:11] <highvoltage> we can suggest whatever we want.
[06:11] <highvoltage> the worst they can do is say no.
[06:11] <mhz> or not accept submitions !
[06:11] <mhz> hihihi
[06:11] <highvoltage> we could even suggest that they put a picture of david hasselhoff on each page, it doesn't mean it's going to happen ;)
[06:11] <mhz> lol
[06:11] <mhz> you latin DNA!!
[06:12] <highvoltage> if i knew a latin word, i would have said it right about...
[06:12] <highvoltage> here.
[06:12] <mhz> hehehe
[06:12] <mhz> ok, so let's make room for oliver to crash a little
[06:13] <mhz> I'll get back to reading wiki
[06:13] <highvoltage> oh yes, my ubuntu had two kernel panics last night, each time while receiving an sms while on gprs. how weird is that?
[06:13] <mhz> terribly weired
[06:14] <mhz> highvoltage: ping if you need company or share ideas
[06:14] <highvoltage> Sona si Latine loqueris.
[06:14] <highvoltage> mhz: ok
[06:14] <mhz> wth?
[06:14] <mhz> sona si latine loqueris?
[06:14] <highvoltage> "Honk if you speak Latin"
[06:14] <mhz> lol!!!!!1
[06:14] <highvoltage> http://web.mit.edu/afs/athena.mit.edu/user/d/r/dryfoo/www/Funny-pages/handy-latin.html
[06:15] <highvoltage> this is very funny: http://ablemedia.com/ctcweb/consortium/moremottoes4.html
[06:15] <highvoltage> and then back to real work.
[06:15] <mhz> highvoltage: just to have things cristal here... from now on ALL wikis will be at wiki.ubuntu.org/ ?
[06:21] <ogra> yay, finally... x86 is ready for release
[06:21] <highvoltage> mhz: yes, at least the udu, edubuntu and ubuntu wikis
[06:21] <highvoltage> mhz: you can also access it from wiki.edubuntu.org, which we'll use for all official edubuntu links
[06:22] <highvoltage> ogra: yippeee!
[06:22] <ogra> now to find amd64 and ppc testers we cant release without tests :/
[06:22] <highvoltage> ogra: congratulations, and good work.
[06:22] <ogra> highvoltage, that lies still far ahead.. i need the missing tests done first, but i dont have the HW here
[06:23] <mhz> ogra: what can we say? No cheer, no thanks would do you justice for all the effort you've made. Thank you very much
[06:23] <highvoltage> sabdfl should buy you an amd64 and ppc laptop ;)
[06:23] <ogra> i have an amd64 laptop... but with a broken CD/DVD ...
[06:24] <mhz> I have a ppc laptop here, G3, 350 Mhz
[06:24] <ogra> and i have a ppc thats owned by my GF
[06:24] <highvoltage> ogra: install over network, ubuntu's network install is cool.
[06:24] <highvoltage> ogra: but you probably know about that :)
[06:24] <ogra> highvoltage, i have to test the iso, that no option
[06:24] <mhz> mmmmmh, you're screwd, then
[06:25] <mhz> :)
[06:25] <highvoltage> ogra: yes, sorry.
[06:25] <mhz> even using the Q... that let's you run any OS?
[06:25] <ogra> mhz, nope, i'll buy a second HD for the ppc tomorrow and if i can get one, a USB DVD writer ...
[06:26] <mhz> will it boot fromUSB?
[06:26] <highvoltage> ogra: does ppc and amd64 not have to be released today too?
[06:26] <ogra> highvoltage, all or nothing
[06:27] <ogra> highvoltage, the bad part is that i urgently want the DVD too... so i'll have to test that as well for all arhes
[06:27] <mhz> mmmmmh, you're screwd, then
[06:27] <mhz> :D
[06:28] <ogra> i'll manage somehow... i doubt i'll see any breakage on the other arches, but you never know
[06:28] <mhz> User Friendly should write an issue about ogra's cruzade
[06:29] <ogra> the problem is the download speed, DVDs take ages... even if they are onyl 2Gig big
[06:29] <jsgotangco> you'll maswan's mighty bandwidth heh
[06:29] <mhz> ogra: and phisically, where are the files hosted?
[06:29] <mhz> country?
[06:30] <jsgotangco> swiss alps
[06:30] <ogra> mhz, UK, i dont know if dailies get rsynced to the mirrors
[06:30] <mhz> can canonical pay you the trip to the host?
[06:30] <highvoltage> can i link an image to another page in moin?
[06:30] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/current/
[06:31] <mhz> highvoltage: yes
[06:31] <highvoltage> mhz: how do i do that?
[06:31] <mhz> ahh
[06:32] <ogra> highvoltage, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/
[06:32] <ogra> screenshots ^^^
[06:33] <mhz> highvoltage: unfortunately, we depend on admin having installed some stuff I presume he did not (unintentionally , of course)
[06:33] <highvoltage> ogra: thanks
[06:33] <mhz> highvoltage: however, what from normal moin usercan do is "call a page from another page"
[06:33] <mhz> see www.tecnocimiento.cl
[06:34] <mhz> that has 3 pages called and 'rendered' from Inicio page
[06:34] <mhz> one of them is an image
[06:34] <mhz> :)
[06:48] <jsgotangco> ogra, will you be the one sending the annoucement?
[06:58] <ogra> jsgotangco, i think JaneW rather
[06:59] <ogra> i need some sleep i'll go to bed for 4-5h
[06:59] <jsgotangco> ok
[06:59] <jsgotangco> i will catch her up then
[06:59] <ogra> from my POV the RC announcement is fine...
[07:00] <ogra> the liks (wiki) need to be updated though....
[07:01] <jsgotangco> let me see what needs fixing
[07:09] <highvoltage> do we still need the ==Design== section on the edubuntu wiki frontpage?
[07:10] <highvoltage> where can i find our old frontpage?
[07:15] <highvoltage> i'm going to move /Edubuntu to /EdubuntuFrontpage
[07:15] <highvoltage> or no.
[07:15] <highvoltage> i'm going to move the content to /EdubuntuWiki
[07:15] <highvoltage> and redirect
[07:25] <maximillian> anyone here?
[07:25] <jsgotangco> hi
[07:26] <maximillian> I have some questions.....
[07:26] <jsgotangco> a few minutes after release? hehehe
[07:26] <maximillian> you just answered it
[07:26] <maximillian> hehe
[07:27] <highvoltage> hehe
[07:27] <jsgotangco> we've just released a few minutes ago, give it some time =)
[07:27] <maximillian> I'm trying to install/implement ltsp these past few days and failed
[07:28] <maximillian> oh
[07:28] <maximillian> is there a guide somewhere, a documentation perhaps?
[07:29] <maximillian> I'm kinda' new to linux, so I'm really dependent to step-by-step guides
[07:30] <jsgotangco> well the edubuntu ltsp setup is straightforward, you will tweak very little settings
[07:30] <maximillian> I installed the preview yesterday, and didn't find a menu or something
[07:31] <jsgotangco> menu?
[07:31] <maximillian> do you still ltspadmin? haha thats why
[07:32] <maximillian> I had a quick look
[07:32] <maximillian> nvm
[07:32] <maximillian> another thing, since no one is awake in #ltsp
[07:34] <maximillian> here's my setting, the ltsp and client is connected in a router. one LAN card each... dhcp in router, thats possible right?
[07:37] <maximillian> ^_^
[07:43] <highvoltage> maximillian: no, you don't need ltspadmin anymore.
[07:43] <maximillian> there's a GUI?
[07:43] <highvoltage> maximillian: yes, that's possible. do you have two network cards on the server?
[07:43] <highvoltage> maximillian: not that i'm aware of, everything Just Works ;)
[07:45] <maximillian> only one. but I can I have two. But if its possible to only have one connected to the same hub/network of the gateway
[07:46] <maximillian> how do you configure ltsp? and user restrictions?
[07:46] <maximillian> because some of the workstations only have 128 ram.
[07:46] <highvoltage> maximillian: ltsp is automatically configured for your first network card.
[07:47] <highvoltage> maximillian: if you have it all on the same network and two dhcp servers you could run into some trouble.
[07:47] <highvoltage> maximillian: i'm not sure about your exact setup, would you care to elaborate? I would also suggest that you post your setup to the mailing list.
[07:47] <highvoltage> i think most edubuntians are still sleepy ;)
[07:48] <maximillian> oh
[07:48] <maximillian> no dhcp server, all static.
[07:53] <highvoltage> you'll need a dhcp server for the ltsp server, the thin clients uses dhcp to get the host information off from the server.
[07:55] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, you guys making a release announcement?
[07:56] <maximillian> highvoltage: can i send you the set-up/structure image? 33kb only
[07:58] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, i've already made one but JaneW will be the one sending
[07:58] <highvoltage> maximillian: sure, jonathan@tsf.org.za
[07:58] <highvoltage> maximillian: i have to get to work soon, so i might not be able to help you very quickly
[07:59] <maximillian> no wait, there isnt much. around 16 workstations connected to a hub01. then the hub01 is connected to hub02 along with other wrkstations 
[07:59] <maximillian> then they all go out to 192.168.3.1 gateway
[08:00] <maximillian> no dhcp server. at least the ubuntu installation didnt detect it
[08:09] <maximillian> ^_^
[08:16] <JaneW> hi jsgotangco 
[08:16] <jsgotangco> hey
[08:16] <jsgotangco> JaneW, send the annoucement! or i'll beat you to it
[08:16] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:17] <JaneW> jsgotangco: just need to check it again quick to make sure k-i and features lists are complete...
[08:17] <jsgotangco> =)
[08:18] <JaneW> also I'll need to dbl check with the powers thsat be that it can go out....
[08:20] <highvoltage> my word. i only caught up on the edubuntu girl issues now :)
[08:20] <JaneW> highvoltage: what's your opinion?
[08:20] <highvoltage> JaneW: she's not white, she's transparent.
[08:21] <JaneW> I polled chmj and he didn;t find it offensive in the least and called the outrage 'that is ... uhm ... nonsense?'
[08:21] <highvoltage> there's a school in mitchels plain, where there's not one white kid in the school, but all the kids painted on the walls there are the same pale white.
[08:21] <highvoltage> i'm thinking of taking photos of the kids there with the painting in the background,
[08:21] <JaneW> highvoltage: and do they refuse to go to school? ;)
[08:21] <highvoltage> and show them how *real* south africans see themselves.
[08:22] <highvoltage> no!
[08:22] <JaneW> exactly we don;t see studd like that anymore
[08:22] <highvoltage> they relate to the kids on the walls. they don't see a colour issue.
[08:22] <jsgotangco> because kids don't see color at all
[08:22] <JaneW> sometimes ppl in pictures are brown, sometimes beige, somtimes pink, sometimes yellow, sometimes organe, no-one cares....
[08:22] <highvoltage> white people aren
[08:22] <highvoltage> 't
[08:23] <highvoltage> actually white.
[08:23] <JaneW> s/studd/stuff
[08:23] <highvoltage> they're more beigy/pinky. edubuntu girl is completely pale-paper white. she could've just as well been orange or magenta or blue.
[08:23] <highvoltage> it's all the same.
[08:23] <highvoltage> JaneW: have you looked at the website / news?
[08:23] <JaneW> hey I am pale with brown spots!
[08:24] <JaneW> but now back to the release announcement...
[08:24] <JaneW> will discuss web site after (but I like I like)
[08:24] <highvoltage> i like edubuntu girl. she has a mysterious smile. she's like mona lisa.
[08:34] <jane_> is ogra up yet?
[08:35] <jsgotangco> he slept for a while
[08:35] <jsgotangco> he said he'll be up in a few hours
[08:36] <highvoltage> jane_: he said he needs to sleep for 4 hours or so, that was about 2 hours ago.
[08:36] <jane_> I need to know if the d/l link is http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/edubuntu/5.10/ or http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/breezy/.
[08:37] (jsgotangco/#edubuntu) yes us.r.c
[08:38] (jane_/#edubuntu) so 5.10 not breezy ?
[08:38] (jsgotangco/#edubuntu) yes don't use breezy!
[08:38] (jsgotangco/#edubuntu) its a code name
[08:38] (jane_/#edubuntu) OK!
[08:38] (jane_/#edubuntu) that's what I thought
[08:41] <highvoltage> jane_ = JaneW ?
[08:41] <highvoltage> ubuntulog: wb :)
[08:42] <jane_> highvoltage: yep, got disconnected
[08:42] <jane_> please proof http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes
[08:42] <jane_> wait when it saves properly
[08:42] <jsgotangco> ok
[08:43] <Madpilot> I just noticed a link typo in the Edubuntu main wiki page, but I'm not sure what it should actually be...
[08:44] <highvoltage> jane_: the writing faster than 8x part, i don't think that's true.
[08:44] <jane_> it's ogra comment
[08:44] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuWiki <-- here, under What's New, "They can be found here on our  wiki" - the wiki link is to http://www.edubuntu.org/Preview_Wallpaper_Examples - which apparently doesn't exist at all...
[08:44] <highvoltage> perhaps change the wording to "for optimal use, we recommend burning the cd image at 8x or below.
[08:45] <jane_> Madpilot: we need someone to fix all the links the wiki was move last night
[08:46] <jane_> why does http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuReleaseCandidate look weird (blue and funny layout?)
[08:47] <maximillian> is edubuntu-breezy also be released today?
[08:47] <Madpilot> jane_: OK, thanks. Didn't realized the Edubuntu wiki had moved...
[08:49] <maximillian> edubuntu supports thin clients right? no client installation
[08:51] <jsgotangco> it can work as standalone by typing workstation at boot
[08:51] <highvoltage> jane_: sub pages aren't working at the moment. it's a problem with 
[08:51] <highvoltage> the themes and wiki merge.
[08:51] <highvoltage> hno73 looked into it, i'm not sure if he has a solution yet.
[08:57] <jane_> the current view sucks... the edit window is about 1/10 of the screen!
[09:00] <highvoltage> that's in the subpages
[09:00] <highvoltage> jane_: I suggest you move that page out of a subpage
[09:00] <highvoltage> jane_: otherwise we'll be publiching a page that's effectively broken.
[09:01] <jane_> highvoltage: can you put the announcement on the html page at all?
[09:02] <highvoltage> jane_: can i put a link to it?
[09:02] <jane_> can we fix the sucky wiki page? ;)
[09:02] <highvoltage> but it it possible.
[09:02] <maximillian> would the workstations crawl if I say I only have 768ram?
[09:02] <highvoltage> jane_: i can move it to a higher level location, which will make it look fixed :)
[09:03] <highvoltage> jane_: please don't edit the page for a few seconds, tell me when you're ready.
[09:03] <jane_> highvoltage:  that will help
[09:03] <jane_> I am editing
[09:04] <jane_> just saving now
[09:04] <highvoltage> ok, tell me when it's done
[09:04] <jane_> it's currently called http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuReleaseCandidate
[09:04] <jane_> can you change to http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuReleaseAnnouncement ?
[09:04] <highvoltage> yes. is it saved?
[09:04] <jane_> not yet
[09:04] <jane_> SLOW here today (of all days)
[09:04] <highvoltage> hehe
[09:06] <highvoltage> still not?
[09:06] <jsgotangco>  well the ubuntu.com wiki is terribly slow really
[09:07] <jane_> afterward can you sort out http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuReleaseNotes too, but that's less urgent
[09:08] <highvoltage> let me do that now, while i wait
[09:09] <Zaheer> hello
[09:09] <highvoltage> hi Zaheer 
[09:09] <Zaheer> yo hows it going?
[09:09] <jane_> highvoltage: the page is saved
[09:09] <highvoltage> a bit hectic :)
[09:09] <Zaheer> i see so :)
[09:10] <Zaheer> i was hoping to find you here. quick question are there classes this w/end
[09:10] <jane_> highvoltage: I created the empty page http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuReleaseAnnouncement
[09:10] <highvoltage> i'm overwriting it- sorry.
[09:11] <sensei> I just installed edubuntu
[09:11] <highvoltage> sensei: yay!
[09:11] <sensei> where can I configure thin client settings/ user restrictions? 
[09:12] <jane_> highvoltage: np
[09:12] <highvoltage> sensei: would you care to elaborate?
[09:12] <highvoltage> jane_: pages saving. please wait... ;)
[09:13] <highvoltage> jane_: check if it's ok to your satisfaction
[09:14] <jane_> highvoltage: thanks will do
[09:16] <jane_> highvoltage: where is it?
[09:16] <sensei> Would it possible to limit the access of the thin-client-users to say, firefox gaim office x chat and two folders one shared one not? =)
[09:16] <sensei> I read about kiosk tool for kde
[09:18] <highvoltage> jane_: sorry, you wanted the releasecandidate page over that, hold on please.
[09:19] <highvoltage> JaneW: saving...
[09:19] <JaneW> thanks
[09:19] <JaneW> there it is :)
[09:19] <JaneW> looks way better now, thanks :)
[09:20] <highvoltage> cool.
[09:21] <sensei> I need a hand
[09:25] <sensei> on another thought, I don't need to download anything big, (like LTSP) because I'm going to bring this system to place with shared internet connection, after I installation?
[09:25] <JaneW> please proof our announcement http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuReleaseAnnouncement
[09:34] <JaneW> highvoltage: do you have any more time?
[09:35] <JaneW> highvoltage: once the announcement goes out we can expect more traffic to our site and wiki, we should che ck all the links (and the sub page issue) to make sure it's all working, else we'll get a flood or complaints and questions about it
[09:35] <JaneW> jsgotangco: are you there and able to help? ^^^
[09:36] <highvoltage> JaneW: i'm going to break my rule and spend some time on this, will work in later, let me wuick read throught ht eannounce
[09:37] <jsgotangco> mmm?
[09:37] <JaneW> highvoltage: THANK-YOU
[09:37] <jsgotangco> what should i do?
[09:38] <JaneW> jsgotangco: can you just trwal the wiki and make sure links are working and everything is displaying properly... we had to move some of the pages out of the doc section because sub pages are displaying weirdly
[09:38] <JaneW> please
[09:39] <highvoltage> JaneW: i can't find any problems
[09:39] <jsgotangco> ok the only problem i only encoutered really was with my doc pages
[09:39] <jsgotangco> other than that, it works fine
[09:41] <JaneW> highvoltage: did you do http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuScreenShots? V COOL! ;)
[09:41] <highvoltage> JaneW: yes, i will link them to larger images at some stage
[09:41] <highvoltage> and add more screenshots
[09:41] <JaneW> highvoltage: we must also put a link to OS dir, if/when they are updated/available
[09:41] <highvoltage> time caught up with me :(
[09:42] <JaneW> looks great
[09:42] <highvoltage> ok, will do so.
[09:42] <highvoltage> JaneW: you looked at http://www.edubuntu.org/news.html ? i kept it short and simple.
[09:43] <JaneW> highvoltage: I also think we need some more explicit links in http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuArtwork to http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/
[09:43] <JaneW> not yet
[09:44] <JaneW> nice start to the FAQ to, we must expand that in the next few weeks too
[09:44] <highvoltage> ok
[09:44] <highvoltage> yes
[09:44] <sensei> are there specific tool for ltsp?
[09:44] <highvoltage> brb, hectic this side too!
[09:45] <JaneW> highvoltage: my main question atm (may be complicated) is can the edubuntu wiki skin not be triggered when accessing the edubuntu wiki through the edubuntu site? It seems to have to set the skin manually and then all ubuntu wiki pages use that skin....
[09:47] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I just nnoticed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyBadger THANK-YOU!!! :)
[09:48] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:49] <highvoltage> JaneW: that's a problem at the moment, one that we can't easily get around. hno73 is the one to talk to about that.
[09:50] <highvoltage> hehe. just came across this http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/Edubuntu-BreezyOnEdubuntuLogo_1024x768.png
[09:50] <JaneW> I see the wiki front page is back to the default FrontPage, will we have the language issues with that again?
[09:50] <JaneW> highvoltage: ok thanks
[09:50] <highvoltage> the "FrontPage" as you see it there is probably the Ubuntu frontpage
[09:51] <JaneW> oh you are right
[09:51] <JaneW> sorry didn't read it carefully
[09:51] <highvoltage> the wiki merge is a bit messy, but it's a general problem, not ours, so there will probably be lots of people working on fixing it.
[09:51] <highvoltage> JaneW: i wouldn't stress _too_ much about it.
[09:52] <highvoltage> JaneW: sorry, did you ask me to do something?
[09:52] <JaneW> ok our front page is called EdubuntuWiki
[09:53] <JaneW> um... the OS Dir link?
[09:53] <JaneW> in screenshots
[09:53] <highvoltage> have they uploaded something yet?
[09:53] <JaneW> not sure, probably not... we must just remeber to add it later then
[09:54] <JaneW> I like the news page too, we must just add a link to the actual release announcement: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuReleaseAnnouncement
[09:55] <JaneW> highvoltage: do you (or can you get) admin rights on our site?
[09:55] <highvoltage> JaneW: http://www.osdir.com/Article7267.phtml <- it's a bit outdated, should i include it?
[09:55] <highvoltage> JaneW: yes, I have.
[09:56] <highvoltage> JaneW: i'll include it, and mention that it's screenshots from the preview release
[09:57] <JaneW> highvoltage: yes please, we'll update when they have the new stuff up
[09:57] <sensei> whats the best way to restrict users to just use certain applications or restrict them from changing the desktop upto system settings?
[09:58] <highvoltage> sensei: by default, your users won't have the right to change system settings.
[09:58] <highvoltage> sensei: only the first user you create will have admin privilages
[09:59] <sensei> oh
[10:00] <sensei> would that include preferences? screen resolution etc. how about desktop restriction? 
[10:02] <highvoltage> not sure about that though. i haven't restricted users from changing wallpapers, etc. i've always thought it's a good thing :)
[10:02] <enyc> hmmmm
[10:04] <enyc> i thought making the install images ready/available BEFORE announcing on website was the normal/sensible plan......
[10:08] <JaneW> enyc: you are correct
[10:09] <enyc> hmmm
[10:09] <JaneW> enyc: we are battling to synchronise, we have to wait for someone in Germany to wake up to give us the go ahead for the images
[10:09] <enyc> o ;-)
[10:09] <JaneW> enyc: web page changes go through sys admins in London
[10:10] <enyc> blurgh what a wuddle ;p
[10:10] <JaneW> enyc: ppl in Cape Town are trying to update the pages and make them relevent in time for the official e-mail announcement
[10:10] <JaneW> (and some of us are relatively new to the process)
[10:10] <JaneW> and ppl are helping in Australia, Chili and Philippines too
[10:10] <enyc> so... the images are uplaoded ready.... but the index shown the preview release files?
[10:11] <JaneW> so I agree with you, and appologise, I just can't figure out how to make it all gel at the same time ;/
[10:11] <enyc> dont worry ;-)
[10:11] <crimsun> as we get used to each others' schedules, it will become more fluid
[10:11] <JaneW> the final release images should be up in the next few hours
[10:12] <JaneW> say 4 at the most
[10:12] <enyc> write a wiki topic about the problem ;-)
[10:12] <JaneW> crimsun: yup
[10:13] <crimsun> ;-)
[10:13] <JaneW> highvoltage: I hope that's amakes note NOT :P
[10:14] <highvoltage> s/not/note ;)
[10:14] <highvoltage> hno73 seems awake
[10:14] <highvoltage> i'll ask him to join
[10:15] <highvoltage> exciting, isn't it?
[10:15] <highvoltage> edubuntu ended up quite ok, even though some people had a problem with edubuntu-girl.
[10:15] <highvoltage> i think they're just jealous.
[10:15] <highvoltage> :)
[10:15] <crimsun> I never saw edubuntu-girl ;/
[10:16] <highvoltage> hi hno73 :)
[10:17] <JaneW> hehe
[10:17] <hno73> highvoltage: hello!
[10:17] <highvoltage> hno73: how much insight do you have in the wiki situation, and what we can do about it?
[10:17] <highvoltage> could you please update JaneW on it?
[10:17] <JaneW> crimsun: see her here http://www.edubuntu.org/news.html
[10:17] <hno73> what is the 'situation'?
[10:17] <crimsun> JaneW: thanks
[10:18] <crimsun> dude, that's chic!
[10:18] <highvoltage> oops, found a type there.
[10:18] <JaneW> hno73: I was just wondering if it is possible that the edubuntu wiki skin be triggered when accessing the edubuntu wiki through the edubuntu site? It seems to have to set the skin manually and then all ubuntu wiki pages use that skin....
[10:19] <hno73> JaneW: I think the way it works is that if you are logged in you can pick your own skin, irrespective of what URL you are surfing on
[10:20] <hno73> if you are logged out you get the edubuntu skin on wiki.edubuntu.org
[10:20] <hno73> so new users comming in through edubuntu will get the new skin
[10:20] <highvoltage> ah, now it's clearer to me too.
[10:22] <hno73> try it in a browser that is not your default (like konq)
[10:22] <hno73> and you'll see how new users see it
[10:22] <JaneW> oic, hno73 that sounds ok
[10:22] <hno73> if you are logged in, go to user prefs to pick a skin
[10:23] <JaneW> will boot into *that which can not be mentioned* to check later ;)
[10:23] <hno73> and with that I realise that the wiki skin is a bit broken in konqueror :(
[10:24] <JaneW> heh
[10:24] <highvoltage> looks ok on my konqueror
[10:24] <hno73> JaneW: if you just log out of the wiki, you'll see it
[10:25] <hno73> On mine 'Help' appears in the wrong place. Not a major issue
[10:25] <highvoltage> hno73: you're refering to the test in the orange part that spans two lines?
[10:25] <highvoltage> yes, i see now.
[10:28] <jsgotangco> im going out
[10:28] <jsgotangco> see you guys later
[10:29] <JaneW> hno73: ok I saw it, it makes sense and is perfect, thanks
[10:42] <JaneW> we want ogra! ;)
[10:43] <JaneW> wot?
[10:43] <highvoltage> now i'll have to change that before someone complains.
[10:44] <highvoltage> JaneW: the missing letters: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuScreenShots?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=t_khangman.png
[10:44] <Madpilot> highvoltage: leave it, it's a bit of an easter egg for the observant... ;)
[10:44] <JaneW> LOL
[10:44] <JaneW> that's cool and it could be worse
[10:45] <JaneW> let send a prize to the forst person who complains ;)
[10:45] <JaneW> first even
[10:47] <highvoltage> hehe
[10:49] <highvoltage> easter eggs! that's one thing we haven't discussed yet.
[10:50] <highvoltage> http://daniel-robitaille.blogspot.com/2005/07/ubuntu-easter-eggs.html
[10:50] <highvoltage> hehe. the Ubuntu "Big Banana" release :)
[10:50] <highvoltage> that's sure to bring some controversy.
[10:52] <JaneW> highvoltage: tell me more, I have not really ever been involved with this phenomenon
[10:53] <JaneW> I was coming up with those names
[10:53] <highvoltage> JaneW: easter eggs are normally hidden, undocumented "presents" for the end user
[10:53] <JaneW> until the strawberry one
[10:53] <highvoltage> oh, the names, i though you refered to easter eggs :)
[10:53] <highvoltage> JaneW: who knows, perhaps you did :)
[10:53] <JaneW> my theme was adjective and nut (play on KERNEL)
[10:53] <JaneW> highvoltage: I didn;t know they were 'easter eggs' though
[10:54] <highvoltage> there should be a Loud Flint release.
[10:54] <highvoltage> no, strictly they're not.
[10:54] <JaneW> someone changed it (prolly BenC when he took over)
[10:54] <highvoltage> it's tough to have easter eggs in OSS software, since nothing is really undocemented.
[10:54] <highvoltage> that's why i'm so delighted about our easter egg on the website.
[10:55] <JaneW> heh
[10:55] <highvoltage> JaneW: do you know apt-get moo?
[10:55] <JaneW> nope
[10:55] <highvoltage> open a terminal
[10:55] <highvoltage> type apt-get
[10:55] <highvoltage> see the last line?
[10:55] <highvoltage>                        This APT has Super Cow Powers.
[10:56] <highvoltage> now if you type apt-get moo
[10:56] <highvoltage> you get a picture of a cow :)
[10:57] <Madpilot> then there's cowsay and cowthink... proof that time was wasted before the invention of Tetris...
[10:57] <JaneW> lol
[10:58] <highvoltage> JaneW: have you seen aptitude?
[10:58] <highvoltage> aptitude --help
[10:58] <highvoltage>                   This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers.
[10:58] <highvoltage> aptitude moo :)
[10:59] <highvoltage> JaneW: the theme disapeared because he logged in, and that's his default theme
[10:59] <highvoltage> JaneW: ooh, nice way of answering
[11:01] <JaneW> lol
[11:01] <JaneW> lazy ;)
[11:11] <JaneW> I wanna send out the announcement ..... *pout*
[11:11] <jsgotangco> but?
[11:12] <jsgotangco> whats stopping you? no test results yet?
[11:12] <JaneW> we are not allowed to until ogra has confirmed that the images for all 3 architectures are fully tested and functional
[11:12] <jsgotangco> send me a PPC and i'll test now
[11:13] <JaneW> sabdfl has approved the announcement now, so we are just waiting on test results
[11:13] <jsgotangco> make it a powerbook
[11:14] <jsgotangco> im not feeling good at the moment i hope i dont catch a cold
[11:15] <JaneW> jsgotangco: rest and eat and orange
[11:15] <JaneW> an
[11:16] <JaneW> highvoltage: can you do a web site edit?
[11:16] <jsgotangco> orange reminds me of our wallpaper
[11:17] <JaneW> silbs JaneW, hno73 : minor tweak to the edubuntu site - the footer at the bottom says Ubuntu and Canonical are trademarks of Canonical. Can you amend to include Edubuntu in that sentence too please?
[11:17] <JaneW> jsgotangco: not a good way to stave off a cold! :P
[11:17] <JaneW> jsgotangco: make it a brandy or rum... ;)
[11:18] <jsgotangco> it'll do
[11:18] <jsgotangco> brb
[11:19] <JaneW> highvoltage: sabdfl JaneW: and Kubuntu too, while you're there
[11:21] <highvoltage> JaneW: ?
[11:22] <JaneW> highvoltage: the page footers in the wiki and website need to have 'Edubuntu and Kubuntu' added to the trademark list
[11:22] <JaneW> highvoltage: can you do that or do I need to ask hno73?
[11:22] <highvoltage> ah, right. the original had Edeubunut
[11:22] <highvoltage> edubuntu even
[11:22] <JaneW> yes
[11:23] <highvoltage> i can add it to our static pages, hno73 can add it to the wiki pages
[11:23] <JaneW> silbs and sabdfl want all the trademarks listed Canonical, Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu
[11:23] <JaneW> ok
[11:24] <highvoltage> in that order, i presume.
[11:24] <JaneW> hno73: could you amend the edubuntu wiki skin footer to include all trademarks please? ( Canonical, Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu)
[11:24] <JaneW> highvoltage: yes I think so
[11:24] <hno73> JaneW: Right
[11:25] <JaneW> hno73 / highvoltage : thanks :)
[11:30] <highvoltage> JaneW: it's done, i'll do some more cleanups later today. if you have any suggestions, list them, I'll get as far as i can tonight. for that that I can't get to by wednesday, we can discuss in the meeting.
[11:31] <hno73> JaneW: done
[11:34] <JaneW> hno73: thank-you
[11:34] <JaneW> highvoltage: yours needs one further edit it says " 2005 Canonical, Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu are registered trademarks of Canonical Ltd."
[11:34] <JaneW> it needs to say " 2005 Canonical. Canonical, Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu are registered trademarks of Canonical Ltd."
[11:35] <JaneW> i.e. all material is copyrighted to Canonical AND Canonical is a trademark.
[11:36] <highvoltage> ok
[11:36] <JaneW> ta
[11:39] <highvoltage> all these 'buntus gets a bit confusing after a while.
[11:39] <highvoltage> :)
[11:39] <JaneW> nod
[11:40] <highvoltage> JaneW: when you're back at the office, we should have lunch or champagne or something to celebrate :)
[11:41] <JaneW> highvoltage: indeed - I'll be in tomorrow actually
[11:44] <JaneW> highvoltage: my last nag is to put the link the the announcement (http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuReleaseAnnouncement) on http://www.edubuntu.org/news.html in the debut section...
[11:47] <highvoltage> JaneW: that fine?
[11:47] <highvoltage> http://www.edubuntu.org/news.html
[11:47] <JaneW> perfect
[11:48] <JaneW> o.g.r.a....
[11:48] <highvoltage> ogratjie
[11:48] <JaneW> groa
[11:48] <highvoltage> :)
[11:48] <JaneW> arog
[11:48] <ajmitch_> hi
[11:48] <JaneW> rago
[11:48] <highvoltage> hi ajmitch_ 
[11:48] <JaneW> roag
[11:48] <JaneW> oarg
[11:48] <JaneW> hello
[11:53] <highvoltage> JaneW: that would be SO cool!
[11:53] <JaneW> ;)
[11:53] <highvoltage> JaneW: are you serious?
[11:53] <JaneW> highvoltage: if we get the thing released before 3pm I may have time to pull it off
[11:54] <highvoltage> OGRA!
[11:54] <JaneW> LOL
[12:02] <enyc> 0000
[12:03] <highvoltage> 10101
[12:03] <highvoltage> enyc: that's the answer
[12:06] <JaneW> highvoltage: isn't it 1010?
[12:06] <JaneW> nope 101010
[12:06] <JaneW> ?
[12:06] <JaneW> yes it 101010
[12:07] <ajmitch_> :)
[12:07] <JaneW> :)
[12:07] <ajmitch_> thanks for all the fish
[12:07] <JaneW> don't panic
[12:08] <JaneW> lol that was funny
[12:09] <ajmitch_> I wonder what will happen for UBZ
[12:09] <JaneW> duck walking?
[12:09] <ajmitch_> since my flight back to NZ is on the 15th :)
[12:10] <ajmitch_> depends if there's any interesting launchpad stuff
[12:10] <ajmitch_> especially bzr
[12:10] <JaneW> ajmitch_: I think launchpad will be very interesting
[12:10] <JaneW> but I was going to be away for nearly 2 weeks, and was going to miss my son;s 4th birthday so I chose to return a bit earlier
[12:11] <ajmitch_> yeah
[12:11] <ajmitch_> LP BOFs won't be very interesting to most outsiders I think
[12:11] <ajmitch_> since none of us are working on it :)
[12:26] <JaneW> ok I have to dash
[12:26] <JaneW> I guess ogra is resting
[12:26] <JaneW> I have the release announcement all ready here, I just need to hit send.
[12:27] <JaneW> if ogra comes in could you ask him to confirm test results and get the ok from Kamion (or mdz or sabdfl) and then I can hit send the minute I am back?
[12:27] <JaneW> thanks!
[12:32] <ajmitch_> sure
[12:48] <highvoltage> ogreo
[12:49] <highvoltage> well, i'm glad ogra is getting some well deserved rest.
[12:50] <ogra> wasnt that much :)
[12:53] <enyc> hello ogra ;-)
[12:53] <ajmitch_> hey ogra :)
[12:54] <highvoltage> ogra: isn't there someone in your street with an amd64?
[12:54] <highvoltage> i just can't think of a way to do it.
[12:54] <ogra> highvoltage, my street is 1km long and has 5 houses
[12:54] <highvoltage> a friend of mine has an amd64, but we don't have bandwidth here.
[12:54] <highvoltage> ogra: wow.
[12:54] <enyc> erm btw oddly enough i found tuxpaint sound worked last night....
[12:55] <highvoltage> ogra: my street is about 5m long with 20 houses ;)
[12:55] <ogra> heh
[12:55] <enyc> ill have to test on edubuntu cd install
[12:57] <ajmitch_> ogra: so have you done as JaneW requested above?
[12:57] <ajmitch_> got ok from kamion/mdz/sabdfl & pinged jane to send? :)
[12:59] <ogra> ajmitch_, not without the missing  tests
[12:59] <ajmitch_> ok
[12:59] <ajmitch_> which ones need done?
[01:08] <highvoltage> Jane: summary from -devel: Kamion is rsyncing his breezy amd64 cd to edubuntu64, after that he just has to install/test.
[01:09] <highvoltage> ogra: after that all is set for announce, right?
[01:09] <Jeromee> how well does edubuntu respond in a server atmosphere?
[01:09] <Jeromee> what does it have to offer, that ubundu or kubuntu doesn't?
[01:09] <highvoltage> the default installation is a server install.
[01:09] <highvoltage> so it's ideal for server.
[01:09] <highvoltage> Edubuntu auto-installs and configures LTSP
[01:10] <Jeromee> hmm
[01:10] <Jeromee> does it interact with windows well?
[01:10] <highvoltage> samba isn't installed by default, afaik.
[01:10] <Jeromee> I'm looking to setup a fileserver, and I've been debating between an ubuntu based system, or a freebsd based system
[01:11] <highvoltage> if it's a fileserver only, i would recomend ubuntu.
[01:11] <ogra> highvoltage, samba is there and with the shares admin tool its easy to set up
[01:12] <highvoltage> is it like that on ubuntu too, or is it an edubuntu feature?
[01:12] <ajmitch_> highvoltage: I think it's still blocking on powerpc testing? noone seems to be able to get the image fast enough
[01:12] <ogra> highvoltage, edubuntu feature
[01:12] <highvoltage> ogra: excellent, i didn't know about that.
[01:12] <ogra> ajmitch_, getting 15K now
[01:12] <ajmitch_> ogra: impressive
[01:12] <ogra> ETA 7h :/
[01:13] <highvoltage> ogra: do we have a page somewhere with complete features? which includes the links to schooltool, etc?
[01:13] <ogra> i cant rsny ppc, i have no image here
[01:13] <Jeromee> is there a download for edubuntu?
[01:13] <ogra> Jeromee, thats what we'll release today (assuming i find a tester for ppc) http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/
[01:13] <highvoltage> Jeromee: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/DownloadEdubuntu
[01:14] <ogra> ajmitch_, at least you *can* rsync .. its a speedup in any case
[01:15] <Jeromee> ogra: are you a maintainer or something?
[01:15] <ajmitch_> hm I have colony 5 ubuntu to rsync from
[01:15] <ogra> Jeromee, yes
[01:15] <ajmitch_> Jeromee: he is *the* maintainer of edubuntu
[01:15] <ogra> ajmitch_, ppc ? 
[01:15] <ajmitch_> ogra: yes
[01:16] <ajmitch_> I'll try find the rsync url
[01:17] <ogra> rsync -z -a --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/breezy-install-powerpc.iso breezy-install-powerpc.iso breezy-install-powerpc.iso
[01:17] <ogra> ajmitch_, ^^
[01:17] <ajmitch_> thanks
[01:18] <ajmitch_> @ERROR: Unknown module 'edubuntu'
[01:18] <ajmitch_> strange
[01:18] <ogra> err
[01:19] <ajmitch_> missing cdimage from url
[01:19] <ogra> rsync -z -a --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/daily/current/breezy-install-powerpc.iso breezy-install-powerpc.iso breezy-install-powerpc.iso
[01:19] <ogra> sorry
[01:21] <ajmitch_>      163840   0%    2.03kB/s   95:56:36
[01:21] <ajmitch_> real fast :)
[01:23] <highvoltage> hey! that looks like our bandwidth!
[01:23] <ajmitch_> heh
[01:28] <kjaer> Is ACL builded into edubuntu, if not, shouldn't it be ?
[01:46] <ogra> kjaer, its not, and shouldnt be yet... next release when we target more than one classroom
[01:47] <kjaer> ogra: And next release is in 6 months ?
[01:47] <ogra> yup
[01:47] <highvoltage> anyone remember the name of that spanish guy from guidalinux that was at the summit?
[01:47] <ogra> indeed you can tewak yurself as you like
[01:48] <ogra> *tweak
[01:48] <JaneW> back
[01:48] <JaneW> hello
[01:48] <ogra> hi JaneW :/
[01:48] <JaneW> hi OGRA :))
[01:48] <JaneW> you're up ;)
[01:48] <ogra> yup
[01:48] <JaneW> are we ready to send out announcement?
[01:48] <ogra> 4h of sleep are plenty
[01:48] <ajmitch_> wb JaneW 
[01:48] <ogra> nope
[01:48] <ajmitch_> ogra: I agree!
[01:48] <JaneW> :(
[01:48] <JaneW> problem?
[01:48] <kjaer> ogra: Well, if interested I've got a few ideas which would be useful at my school at least.
[01:48] <ogra> the cdimage server doesnt give any bandwith currently
[01:49] <ogra> kjaer, absolutely !
[01:49] <ajmitch_> JaneW: still trying to fetch powerpc iso to test
[01:49] <ogra> JaneW, we're still lacking tests 
[01:49] <JaneW> dang
[01:50] <ogra> nobody except me tested yet... i'll need far more hardware next time and more different arches...
[01:50] <ogra> worst is that my dvd writer gave up 2 days ago...
[01:50] <ajmitch_> someone ship ogra a new amd64 & powerpc box thanks
[01:50] <JaneW> ogra: i see, can it still be done today do you think?
[01:51] <ogra> JaneW, i'm currently convincing my GF that i can install over her work machine (powerpc) 
[01:51] <ogra> but the iso is coming down very slow... ETA 9h
[01:51] <highvoltage> ouch
[01:51] <JaneW> ogra: eek
[01:51] <ajmitch_> JaneW: if I can get the ISO I can attempt to install on an old G3 here which has hoary & OSX
[01:51] <JaneW> has anyone on u-d offered to help yet?
[01:51] <kjaer> If anyone didn't know ACL is Access Control List, it should allow users to share their documents not with groups but with specifik users. Say if some dude wants to pass his english notes to his work-buddies, he can do that. Without setting up new groups all the time.
[01:51] <JaneW> or can I beg some more?
[01:51] <highvoltage> ajmitch_: getting the iso seems to be biggest part of the problem :(
[01:52] <ogra> i'll buy a new dvd writer today... if they have any mac HW there, i'll buy one too ... just for this test, sigh
[01:52] <ajmitch_> highvoltage: yeah :(
[01:52] <ogra> JaneW, Kamion is downloading both missing arches, but he is already up since 30-40h
[01:52] <kjaer> Well, what is needed is a simple way to allow users to share their data. I imagine a similar method as to how a filemanager handles chmod'ing of files today.
[01:53] <JaneW> ogra: yes and the last thing we want is to annoy him
[01:53] <ogra> JaneW, mvo tries to download but has the same bandwith problem
[01:53] <ajmitch_> hm
[01:53] <kjaer> Like allow these users to edit this document. And allow the teacher to read it.
[01:53] <JaneW> I guess today is not the best day for bandwidth
[01:53] <ogra> JaneW, he'll do it if we dont find someone else...
[01:53] <ajmitch_> battery light is flashing on laptop, time to walk upstairs & plug it in :)
[01:53] <JaneW> ogra: and they weren't ready before now right? so it's not like we were slack at getting them tested...?
[01:53] <ogra> JaneW, but we owe him a lot already i'd rather see someone else test
[01:53] <kjaer> This raises loads of problems, first of all no filemanager have these capabilities yet. So that would have to be made.
[01:54] <JaneW> ogra: agreed
[01:54] <ogra> kjaer, that'd be very intrusive to change in the filemanager....
[01:55] <kjaer> Secondly, a lot of users, at least where I live, use windows at home. I think it would be nice to let them have access to their school work. Maybe using sftp or some remote samba or similar.
[01:55] <ogra> kjaer, i think we'd rather go with a filesystem that supports ACL 
[01:55] <kjaer> ogra: The idea is to let the users edit whom they like to share their files with ?
[01:55] <JaneW> highvoltage: now I am keen to make that cake ... but we need a release...
[01:56] <ogra> kjaer, ah, thats something you can do by simply modifying the access rights, right
[01:56] <highvoltage> ogra: can't you stop downloads for the entire rest of the world?
[01:56] <highvoltage> ogra: so that we can get our cake faster?
[01:56] <JaneW> highvoltage: good idea!
[01:56] <ogra> highvoltage, ping elmo ;)
[01:57] <kjaer> ogra: Yes it is. But as far as I know konqueror only handles the me-user-group rights scheme ?
[01:57] <ajmitch_> ogra: or znarl :)
[01:57] <ogra> my prob i that i have no ppc iso here yet... rsyncing would be a hell lot faster
[01:57] <ogra> kjaer, i have no clue about konqueror...
[01:57] <kjaer> Okay, but nautilus handles it ?
[01:58] <ogra> yes, but patching nautilus is no option
[01:58] <ogra> we need to work with the default ubuntu packages... 
[01:58] <ajmitch_> I think there's a nautilus plugin for acls
[01:58] <ogra> so its either a gobal add on that also ubuntu uses, but that would have to be done upstream by the gnome guys or a separate add on tool
[01:59] <kjaer> ajmitch_: Okay, I'll look that up.
[01:59] <ajmitch_> eiciel is in universe, haven't looked at it though
[01:59] <ogra> ajmitch_, nice hint... we'll add it to the desktop next release ;)
[01:59] <ajmitch_> :)
[02:00] <kjaer> Thats a great program. :-)
[02:00] <mhz> hey all
[02:00] <kjaer> Well my problem is partly solved :-)
[02:00] <mhz> morining
[02:00] <mhz> i am sorry i wont be here unitl 2-3 more hours (family tasks)
[02:00] <kjaer> Next is, how can the students access their files from home ?
[02:00] <mhz> but I do have news...
[02:01] <mhz> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCdAndSlip
[02:01] <mhz> please provide feedback
[02:01] <ogra> kjaer, not a solution we target with this release :)
[02:02] <kjaer> ogra: Unless I make it myself ?
[02:02] <ogra> yup
[02:02] <mhz> JaneW: i decided to pass on my ideas (drawings) to a designer so he could give the "better touch" and I got them back near 03:am while I was sleeping. Hope you gmme uour thoughts :)
[02:02] <ogra> kjaer, opening ssh access through a firewall would be possible for example and using sftp
[02:03] <JaneW> mhz: sure where are they?
[02:03] <mhz> ogra: i am trying to get a ppc here, just in case it is susefull somehow. so far, unsuccessfully
[02:03] <ajmitch_> mhz: NZ is very close to south america in that design ;)
[02:03] <kjaer> ogra: Yes, but wondered if any windows tools would be able to handle the permissions.
[02:04] <mhz> JaneW: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCdAndSlip
[02:05] <mhz> ajmitch_: please wiki the feedback, i truly gotta run now, sorry with sugar on top :D
[02:05] <ajmitch_> hehe
[02:05] <ajmitch_> it's nothing important
[02:33] <mhz_family> re for 5 minutes :)
[03:00] <goose> Greetings
[03:00] <goose> I was wondering if some one could assist me with some questions about the Edubuntu Linux OS
[03:05] <highvoltage> ogra: so it's ppc that's still left?
[03:05] <ogra> yup
[03:05] <ogra> i still have a ETA of 6.5h for the iso
[03:08] <ajmitch_> :(
[03:08] <ajmitch_> although it varies a lot :)
[03:09] <JaneW> not good news
[03:10] <gooseuk> Hello
[03:10] <gooseuk> I was wondering if some one could assist me with some questions about the Edubuntu Linux OS?
[03:11] <ajmitch_> gooseuk: please, just ask & someone may be around to answer :)
[03:11] <gooseuk> Ok thank you
[03:12] <gooseuk> I understand that this distro is directed primarily at schools, what version of OpenOffice is installed on the current release?
[03:12] <ogra> ooo2
[03:13] <gooseuk> Is this distro difficult to install, or is it similar to xandros or Mandrake in the install process?
[03:13] <ogra> easier ? :)
[03:14] <gooseuk> Really?
[03:14] <ogra> depending what you want, the workstation install will be easier than others (like ubuntu is) the default install requires a minimal amount of knowledge and the minimal install (confusingly called server) is easier again
[03:15] <ogra> note that the default install installs a one classroom standalone ltsp server
[03:15] <gooseuk> I apologise for sounding stupid but what is that?
[03:16] <ogra> the CD has three install flavours, depending what you want you hit enter, type workstation or type server at the CD bootprompt
[03:17] <ogra> gooseuk, look here, its probably easier to understand: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes
[03:19] <gooseuk> ::nods:: thank you. I apologise for the stupid questions.
[03:19] <ogra> (dont follow that download link yet, the final images are not yet populated, happening during the day today)
[03:19] <ogra> gooseuk, there are no stupid questions
[03:19] <ogra> only silly people that dont take questions serious :)
[03:19] <gooseuk> How would I install new software, I understand that installing new software to a Linux OS is difficult?
[03:21] <ogra> gooseuk, you click the point "add applications" in your menu, give your password, select what you want installed in a tree menu, mark a checkbox and click the apply button :)
[03:21] <gooseuk> I am impressed, does this client include some sort of anti virus software?
[03:21] <ogra> (that goes for mainly all desktop apps... ) 
[03:22] <ogra> for advanced users we have a minimally more complicated tool called synaptic...
[03:22] <ogra> gooseuk, there are no viruses for linux ;)
[03:23] <ogra> the only thing you need a virus scanner for on linux is to not spread windows viruses you recieve to windows users
[03:23] <ogra> ;)
[03:23] <gooseuk> ::Grins:: We use windows as well at the primary school
[03:23] <ogra> but yes, there is also a virus scanner available...
[03:23] <gooseuk> Is that preinstalled on the distro?
[03:23] <ogra> (its not installed by default and not contained on the CD by default)
[03:23] <gooseuk> I see, how would I get that then?
[03:24] <ogra> that would need to get installed through synaptic, which offers you 16000 software packages for installation... among them also a virus scanner :)
[03:24] <gooseuk> Great!
[03:25] <gooseuk> How difficult is Synaptic to operate?
[03:25] <ogra> there are screenshots, wait...
[03:25] <mhz_family> piece of cake for my 9 year old son
[03:25] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/SynapticHowto
[03:26] <mhz_family> gooseuk: you search, you select, you install, you hav fun. No rebooting needed
[03:26] <ogra> thats q 1 year old version in the shots, it has improved a lot UI wise
[03:26] <gooseuk> I can't thank you all enough, this is great.
[03:27] <gooseuk> You wouldn't happen to know how long it will be till I can down load the ISO of the OS?
[03:27] <mhz_family> gooseuk: I installed ubuntu for my 9 year old son becaus ehis english is no good and because I wanted to have a partitioned harddisk. After installation, he is the only admin in that box :D
[03:27] <ogra> gooseuk, the final isos are therealrady, just not mirrored until i did the fnal test on powerpc
[03:27] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/
[03:28] <ogra> ^^^ thats waht we'll release today... the iso's will only get renamed
[03:28] <gooseuk> Does the system include Samba?
[03:28] <mhz_family> gooseuk: once you have edubuntu installed and running (about 1 hour in a 600 MHz celeron) it is all piece of cake for mac users (my wife) and MS, as well (my son)
[03:28] <ogra> yup
[03:29] <mhz_family> gooseuk: and if you happen to have issues during install (murphy!), we'll always be here :D
[03:29] <gooseuk> Can I set up one user account without password to automatically log on as?
[03:29] <mhz_family> or someone will
[03:29] <ogra> yup you can do that
[03:30] <mhz_family> or someone will not recommend it
[03:30] <mhz_family> or = and
[03:31] <gooseuk> Folks, you might just get sick of seeing me around lol :) Myself and another IT student are setting up a LINUX OS for a primary school so we will be installing the OS on about 20/30 systems as a trial and then more if it works out well
[03:31] <mhz_family> gooseku, basically, on a linux box you can do "everything" and more things you normally can't in a non-unix system
[03:31] <mhz_family> gooseuk: if you decide to install Edubuntu, you dont need to install on 20/30 machines, just one!
[03:31] <ogra> gooseuk, go ahead, answering questions is our addiction ) 
[03:31] <mhz_family> :)
[03:32] <mhz_family> use the best machine around for server and the rest will boot from the server, to use the whole system
[03:32] <ogra> mhz_family, depends... if he has the HW around it would be a great waste to use ltsp 
[03:32] <gooseuk> Great, is there a Linux internet filter that I could install on the clients?
[03:32] <mhz_family> well, that true, ogra
[03:32] <mhz_family> yes
[03:32] <mhz_family> many
[03:32] <mhz_family> many ways, I mean
[03:32] <gooseuk> Would you have any names for it?
[03:33] <ogra> you can install a proxy server i'd go for a centralized solution for such stuff...
[03:33] <mhz_family> Squid
[03:33] <gooseuk> See Networking Linux is an Issue for me, I wouldn't know where to start to be honest
[03:33] <ogra> i.e. having one machine acting as the proxy for the whole network makes more sense than having them locally everywhere
[03:33] <mhz_family> gooseuk: however, when we talk about "admin" solutions we usually prefer the "ugly" way solution (command line)
[03:33] <mhz_family> :)
[03:34] <ogra> gooseuk, dont worry, we're here
[03:34] <ogra> mhz_family, not true
[03:34] <mhz_family> hehehe
[03:34] <ogra> i prefer the gui solution where appropriate
[03:34] <mhz_family> ogra: true for we "usually"
[03:34] <gooseuk> gui all the way if possible lol
[03:35] <mhz_family> gooseuk: ogra, then GUI like WebMin could work
[03:35] <ogra> mhz_family, my favorite doing is gui developent... if i dont use the gui, i dont see the drawbacks that should get solved :)
[03:35] <mhz_family> gooseuk: look up "webmin", for example
[03:35] <gooseuk> Is there any guides that would assist me with setting up a small network with proxy?
[03:35] <mhz_family> ogra: hehehehhe
[03:35] <mhz_family> yes, many
[03:35] <mhz_family> many places, too
[03:36] <mhz_family> www.tldp.org
[03:36] <ogra> we have a cookbook for ltsp servers, some stuff in there is quite common...
[03:36] <gooseuk> Could you direct me to a simple website?
[03:36] <mhz_family> and ubuntu sites
[03:38] <gooseuk> Grand
[03:39] <gooseuk> So I can install the Server machine with webmin and then control the other client machines with ease?
[03:40] <mhz_family> gooseuk: the linux ways always counts on at least 2 parts: 1) Read doc, try stuff I am learning by reading, ask questions after trying.  2) Hire professionals for specific tasks while I start reading and start trying :)
[03:40] <mhz_family> 2 parts = 2 alternatives
[03:41] <ogra> mhz_family, both we want tzo avoid in edubuntu ;)
[03:41] <ajmitch_> ogra: I agree, I try & do less via the command line now :)
[03:41] <gooseuk> ::nods:: I just got a small libary of linux books. At present the reason for the switch from windows to linux is because of a lack of funding so sadly 2 is out :/ 
[03:41] <mhz_family> gooseuk: hmmm, you can install edubuntu, then install WebMin for other tasks related to network admin. LTSP does not need much of setting as everything is done by install process
[03:42] <ogra> i agree with eric raymond if he says a software that requires you to read the manual is broken
[03:42] <mhz_family> hehehehe
[03:42] <mhz_family> yes, software may be kept simple
[03:43] <mhz_family> but when you do need to "tweak" or "hack" then I still think command line is way faster and provides more info
[03:44] <ajmitch_> mhz_family: sure, and I've been using the command line for a number of years now :)
[03:44] <ogra> mhz_family, the target should be that there is no need to tweak or hack at all :)
[03:44] <mhz_family> example: after stting network... ping www.google.com in a teminal is just lovely!!
[03:44] <ajmitch_> mhz_family: but I'm *lazy* :)
[03:44] <gooseuk> Can I download the version in the next hour or so? Will it be stable also?
[03:44] <ogra> gooseuk, you can download it now, it is stable and wont change...
[03:45] <ogra> (except you use powerpc (mac) thats still in testing)
[03:45] <gooseuk> Nope, they are RM Nimbus Systems
[03:45] <mhz_family> ogra: yes, I agree on "no need to hack", really. My only point is that IF you insist on changing stuff, i do prefer command line
[03:45] <ogra> gooseuk, as i said, grab this one.. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/
[03:45] <ogra> ;)
[03:46] <ogra> mhz_family, if i develop stuff, i cant get around a editor... sure :)
[03:46] <mhz_family> ogra: and if you happen to use an old pc, Maybe, GUI's don't work out of the box :)
[03:46] <ogra> thats true...
[03:46] <gooseuk> Downloading now
[03:46] <ogra> but HW of this age is something i dont have around anymore...
[03:47] <mhz_family> lol!
[03:47] <ogra> i donate such stuff to people who need it :)
[03:47] <gooseuk> I was wondering if I could ask for one of your email addresses if I really do hit a brick wall with the OS?
[03:47] <ogra> gooseuk, we have a mailing list :)
[03:47] <mhz_family> ogra: in countries like Chile and Latinamerica, old HW is sooooooooo the reality here
[03:47] <gooseuk> Great, do you have the address
[03:47] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCommunity
[03:47] <gooseuk> HW?
[03:47] <ogra> hardware
[03:47] <mhz_family> gooseuk: Hardware
[03:48] <gooseuk> lol I see
[03:48] <ogra> :)
[03:48] <gooseuk> If I may ask, are you the developers of this OS?
[03:48] <ogra> yup
[03:49] <mhz_family> gooseuk: in linux, most common surces of knowledge are: Wikis or Webs, IRC, Mailing Lists
[03:49] <mhz_family> gooseuk: not me, just a volunteer to test and some docs, and last cd labels
[03:49] <Yagisan> and some of the testers
[03:49] <mhz_family> Yagisan: hi there
[03:50] <gooseuk> ::nods:: I have gotten a few books etc I have played with Mandrake and Xandros, but again my knowledge is limited
[03:50] <mhz_family> sorry i hadnt seen ya
[03:50] <Yagisan> mhz_family: G'day
[03:51] <mhz_family> gooseuk: we all started one day, the difference is that some people never stop learning and invetigating. Others just quit. If you never stop, you may always have the chance to get wiser than all of us together :D
[03:52] <gooseuk> lol Well I would say, just expect some "OH DEAR GOD HELP..." Emails from me in the next few months while setting up and testing the network :)
[03:53] <Yagisan> gooseuk: hardly - you'll be impressed at how easy they made this
[03:53] <mhz_family> no problem, just keep in mind diversity of opinions and dont take any opinions "personal". we all give opinions and you decide
[03:54] <Yagisan> gooseuk: they are trying to put support personal out of business :-P
[03:54] <gooseuk> Don't worry, just as long as you folks are honest with me, I don't care, its the school I am setting it up for, so I can take some buiseing ;)
[03:54] <ogra> Yagisan, you dont happen to have a ppc and a lot of bandwith around currently ? 
[03:55] <ogra> missing ppc test is holding up the release currently
[03:55] <gooseuk> You use knome for the GUI on this OS?
[03:56] <Yagisan> ogra: sorry ogra - I've tried with qemu but it's not at the stage I can use it to implement stage 2 of multi-client-arch
[03:56] <mhz_family> gooseuk: yes, GNOME
[03:56] <ogra> Yagisan, i'm not talking about nifty hacks, just a install test o the iso :)
[03:56] <ogra> *of
[03:57] <gooseuk> Ok, thank you.
[03:57] <Yagisan> ogra: qemu-ppc can't even run bash - it won't install
[03:57] <ogra> oh, ok
[03:57] <Yagisan> ogra: at least no yet - it only goes for simple things like ls
[03:58] <Yagisan> I tried to get some ppc machines off ebay - but I lack the funds to win the auctions
[03:58] <ogra> heh,ok ... so we'll have to wait.. until my iso finishes downloading...
[03:58] <gooseuk> What education programs are installed on the system?
[03:58] <ogra> ETA 6h
[03:59] <Yagisan> ogra: why so slow ?
[03:59] <ogra> gooseuk, gcompris, most of kdeedu some educational games like glife or atomix blender (rather advanced 3d modeler) dia for diagram editing and the sandard ubuntu desktop
[04:00] <ogra> i'm sure i forgot a bunch
[04:00] <ogra> Yagisan, the servers are slashdotted
[04:00] <ogra> i get only 20K here
[04:01] <ogra> and i cant rsync since i had no ppc iso around before
[04:02] <gooseuk> Does it include the full version of Openoffice 2?
[04:03] <ogra> yup
[04:04] <gooseuk> Also, can I remove Application options for different users or user groups, the reason I ask is that I see the "Add Application" option in the program list
[04:04] <ogra> thats all stuff we get from ubuntu... everything contained in the ubuntu desktop is there anyway
[04:05] <ogra> by default onyl your first created user is allowed to use the tool :) others would need to be added to the admin group...
[04:05] <ogra> so you can avid that they use the tool :)
[04:05] <ogra> *avoid
[04:06] <gooseuk> Great, so only the admin user will see that option? what about the system tools?
[04:07] <ogra> gooseuk, sadly the change in the menu didnt get applied fast enough for release, they will see it, but cant use it..
[04:08] <ogra> (its a bit ugly, but only consmetic...)
[04:08] <ogra> gooseuk, but for all system tools the same applies :)
[04:10] <gooseuk> That isn't a problem, children have a habit of messing up a system with ease
[04:10] <ogra> heh, yes
[04:11] <gooseuk> Ok, one thing I really don't have a clue about would be setting up a server so that I can make changes from the server, user names, internet filter etc Is there a good help guide out there that is easy to follow etc?
[04:13] <mhz_family> bad news from here: no ppc available for install and no real fast connection for downloading now
[04:13] <mhz_family> ogra: did you you see CD labels?
[04:14] <Yagisan> ogra: no torrents for ppc ?
[04:14] <mhz_family> gooseuk: yes, with GUI's
[04:14] <mhz_family> :)
[04:15] <mhz_family> gooseuk: my best advice is 1st download, 2nd install, 3rd we help you
[04:16] <ogra> mhz_family, not yet, no
[04:16] <mhz_family> ok
[04:16] <ogra> Yagisan, not before release
[04:16] <ogra> dailys dont get seeded
[04:16] <ogra> but it seems Kamion just started to test ppc
[04:16] <gooseuk> ::Nods:: I apologise, just trying to get as much answered as I can, am going to do a dual boot in today hopefully on my personal machine for testing
[04:17] <gooseuk> Do you have a live CD version of edubuntu
[04:17] <mhz_family> nop
[04:17] <ogra> nope, sadly not ... next release :)
[04:18] <Yagisan> ogra: I guess the lesson is - only provide links to the torrents for slashdot next time
[04:18] <gooseuk> Great, can I lock out the "System" menu bar from the student account as well?
[04:19] <Yagisan> ogra: and have the torrents ready first :)
[04:19] <ogra> Yagisan, we didnt release yet
[04:19] <ogra> there shouldnt be anything on /. about us
[04:19] <mhz_family> gooseuk: yes, LTSP is just a way to see and work on the server remotely
[04:20] <Yagisan> ogra: ah - but ubuntu did - and you use the same infrastructure
[04:20] <ogra> true
[04:20] <JaneW> ogra: how's it looking?
[04:20] <ogra> JaneW, amd64, i386 are gold ...
[04:21] <ogra> Kamion just told me he started a ppc test
[04:21] <Yagisan> I was surprised - I ran apt-get update and I had nothing to download today
[04:21] <ogra> so it looks quite good over all
[04:21] <JaneW> ogra: awesome
[04:21] <JaneW> you are a star
[04:21] <JaneW> to vent my nervous energy ....
[04:21] <ogra> JaneW, but i need more hardware next time... i could have been done yesterday evening
[04:22] <ogra> its only the testing that holds up everything and i'm lacking 2 of 3 arches
[04:22] <JaneW> ogra: yes let's raise that, you do need more testing equipment
[04:22] <Yagisan> ogra: It looks like you have done well - want to fix qemu now so you can do some testing :)
[04:22] <gooseuk> Thanks for all your help folks, I am just going to hang here while I do some read if thats ok?
[04:22] <ogra> i also need HW for the ltsp suff for next release
[04:22] <Yagisan> gooseuk: sure
[04:23] <Yagisan> ogra - I find ebay is helpful for that - but I thought you basically lived in a pc shop
[04:23] <ogra> JaneW, see #c 
[04:24] <ogra> JaneW, dont put "Announcing" in the subject line to please jdub ;)
[04:24] <ogra> Yagisan, PC, yes.... SGI, yes.... amd64 (only laptop with broken dvd)
[04:25] <gooseuk> Oh, erm one final question, do you have Gaelic version?
[04:25] <ogra> the only powerpc available here is the one of my GF... but this machine is her company, job etc... i cant install on it
[04:25] <ogra> gooseuk, i think so...
[04:26] <ogra> gooseuk, http://launchpad.net/ can show you the translation status
[04:26] <JaneW> ogra: just plian 'Edbuntu 5.10 release' then?
[04:26] <Yagisan> ogra: dd if=/dev/ppc-disk of=/home/ogra/gfppc.img :-D then enjoy for a few hours - when she's back dd if=/home/ogra/gfppc.img of=/dev/ppc-disk
[04:27] <gooseuk> Erm how would I search if you have a Gaelic Language version?
[04:27] <Yagisan> ogra: I do that to other peoples pc's all the time
[04:27] <ogra> what about something fresh "The first Edubuntu release (5.10) has seen the light today"
[04:27] <ogra> or was born ... or something similar
[04:28] <ogra> Yagisan, i wont risk her job for my testig ;) 
[04:28] <ogra> i'll buy a new HD and replace it ...
[04:28] <ogra> (still have a long night with DVD tests ahead) 
[04:28] <Yagisan> ogra - fair enough
[04:29] <Yagisan> Time to deploy my mult-client-arch systems now
[04:30] <JaneW> highvoltage: PING
[04:31] <ogra> JaneW, btw, the wiki change was very odd... its gotten darn slow, the css only works partially and we'll have to prefix all our pages with Edubuntu now...
[04:32] <ogra> i'm not really convinced by it...
[04:32] <JaneW> ogra: I don;t have a problem with the prefix... what's css?
[04:32] <ogra> JaneW, the theme
[04:33] <ogra> if you are logged in you always have the same theme... i want to visually see ifi'm on the edubuntu or ubuntu wiki... that doesnt work...
[04:33] <highvoltage> JaneW: pong
[04:34] <ogra> JaneW, but thats only a bug that can be solved... what we cant solve is that we get all the crappy content from the ubuntu wiki into edubuntu
[04:34] <highvoltage> ogra: i feel the same way, it seems to make more sense having the wiki's seperate
[04:34] <JaneW> highvoltage: http://www.flickr.com/photos/13916877@N00/52139491/
[04:34] <JaneW> highvoltage: I did it ;)
[04:34] <jsgotangco> wiki?
[04:34] <JaneW> highvoltage: nervous energy ;)
[04:34] <jsgotangco> TOLD YOU SO =)
[04:34] <highvoltage> JaneW: the css is the styles (themes) that's applied to the wiki pages. those subpages that were so ugly, that's a css problem
[04:35] <JaneW> highvoltage: oh yes, that SUCKED big time
[04:35] <JaneW> can it be fixed?
[04:35] <highvoltage> JaneW: nice cake!
[04:35] <highvoltage> JaneW++
[04:35] <JaneW> :))
[04:35] <ogra> JaneW, it will, its a bug... 
[04:35] <ogra> JaneW, i'm more concerned that i have no edubuntu css a all
[04:36] <ogra> s/a/at
[04:36] <ajmitch_> hm
[04:36] <ajmitch_> why am I still awake? :)
[04:36] <ogra> ajmitch_, good question
[04:36] <ajmitch_> 3:30AM here again
[04:37] <JaneW> highvoltage: the logo's not perfect, but hey it was a rush job...
[04:37] <highvoltage> still nice. have you sent the link to chmj?
[04:37] <JaneW> good idea
[04:38] <Yagisan> ajmitch_: you love the pain
[04:38] <ajmitch_> yes
[04:39] <ajmitch_> JaneW: lovely cake!
[04:39] <ajmitch_> that needs to go on the fridge
[04:40] <ogra> it will go on planet :) 
[04:40] <jsgotangco> errr
[04:40] <ogra> but not before release.... i dont wnat to risk our luck
[04:40] <JaneW> agreed
[04:40] <Yagisan> so what did it taste like ?
[04:41] <JaneW> Yagisan: I finished it like 10 mins ago - no one has eaten any yet
[04:41] <jsgotangco> ajmitch_: go to sleep hardcore
[04:41] <JaneW> ajmitch_: get me access to the kitchen...?
[04:41] <ajmitch_> jsgotangco: hah
[04:41] <ogra> hey...
[04:42] <jsgotangco> when are we announcing release?
[04:42] <ogra> jsgotangco, if we have one
[04:42] <ogra> waiting on ppc tests
[04:42] <JaneW> jsgotangco: when all the testing's finished and 'signed-off'
[04:42] <jsgotangco> mhz_family: no
[04:43] <mhz_family> hhehehe
[04:43] <mhz_family> jsgotangco: no
[04:43] <ogra> mhz_family, as long as my css doesnt cange dynamically (which is impossible imho) its useless for me to have a edubuntu css at all
[04:43] <jsgotangco> mhz_family: its hard enough to navigate between ubuntu and kubuntu wikis, as well as the udu wikis
[04:43] <highvoltage> JaneW: we should send that cake pics to fridge :)
[04:43] <ogra> no premature actions please
[04:44] <mhz_family> ogra: could'nt CSS be called from Templates?
[04:44] <jsgotangco> post it to planet later and beat the fridge pics heh
[04:44] <ogra> ppc was never tested by anyone... it still can totally break
[04:44] <ogra> jsgotangco, i'll blog it after the announcement is out
[04:45] <ogra> but currently i'm just praying
[04:45] <jsgotangco> only amd64 and x86
[04:45] <mhz_family> ogra: afaik using templates for each *buntu flavour would do the trick
[04:45] <ogra> mhz_family, even for logged in users ? 
[04:45] <mhz_family> for everyone, out or in
[04:45] <ajmitch_> 11% now
[04:46] <mhz_family> ogra: PageTemplate is something both users can see
[04:46] <mhz_family> (as long as there are no ACL that forbids it)
[04:46] <ogra> mhz_family, could you discuss that with hno ? i'd really like to get that solved...
[04:46] <ogra> it doesnt fix the content problem though
[04:46] <mhz_family> yes, as soon as my wife lets me sit back at the computer
[04:46] <mhz_family> :D
[04:47] <mhz_family> ogra: I agree. Content is a bit diff
[04:47] <ogra> unsolvable...
[04:47] <mhz_family> but I think it is possiblew to figure out a way
[04:48] <ogra> i dont think so... the content is the same on both wikis
[04:48] <ogra> JaneW, most odd https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCommunity
[04:48] <ogra> https redirects to launchpad 
[04:48] <ogra> thats a elmo/znarl thing i guess
[04:49] <mhz_family> that's why i said to jsgotangco that i think it has not been well organized on wiki basis
[04:49] <mhz_family> wikis need a bit diff approach from regular CMS or web sites
[04:49] <ogra> damned, seems Kamion is asleep now...
[04:50] <ogra> not that he wouldnt deserve it
[04:50] <jsgotangco> mhz_family: you can try asking elmo for acls..but that's a different story and good luck
[04:50] <mhz_family> lol
[04:50] <highvoltage> oooh. python cgi error screen.
[04:50] <ogra> 35% [++++++++++++>                        ]  251,258,304   28.43K/s  ETA 4:45:32
[04:50] <ogra> :(
[04:51] <highvoltage> :(
[04:51] <ajmitch_>     85363992  12%    8.29kB/s   20:35:30
[04:51] <ajmitch_> hardly better
[04:51] <mhz_family> jsgotangco: i know is difficult but we'll never know if it is possible to solve it if we don't try to. and to do so, yes, we need more access to do the tests.
[04:51] <ajmitch_> night all :)
[04:51] <ogra> yes... 
[04:51] <ogra> night ajmitch_ thanks for all :)
[04:51] <jsgotangco> mhz_family: good luck
[04:51] <highvoltage> what's going on with the wiki!?
[04:51] <gooseuk> Folks, is the default system best for the client work stations or should I install the workstation version?
[04:52] <mhz_family> jsgotangco: you think he'll disagree?
[04:52] <jsgotangco> you can try
[04:52] <mhz_family> LOL!!!
[04:52] <Yagisan> gooseuk - are the clients thin clients ?
[04:52] <mhz_family> .oO(so you think so)
[04:52] <gooseuk> Thin Client?
[04:52] <ogra> Yagisan, nope
[04:52] <ogra> gooseuk, i think you want a workstatin install
[04:53] <gooseuk> Alright thank you
[04:53] <jsgotangco> gooseuk: on boot type workstation then press enter
[04:53] <jsgotangco> it won't install the server components
[04:54] <gooseuk> Grand
[04:54] <ogra> Yagisan, depends where you poke :)
[04:54] <jsgotangco> ogra: yeah default install is a server anyways =)
[04:55] <ogra> you shouldnt do it in the power supply :) the rest only hurts the pc
[04:55] <ogra> jsgotangco, exactly :)
[04:56] <Yagisan> ogra - It's all fine so fa bzzzzzzzzz - snap - crackle - pop ....
[04:56] <ogra> hehe
[04:57] <Yagisan> ogra- have you had a chance to test my multi-client-arch patch ?
[04:57] <ogra> not yet... but will be the first i'm doing next week...
[04:57] <ogra> we got open development again, yay \o/
[04:58] <gooseuk> How long would it take for you folks to get a Live CD version out?
[04:59] <jsgotangco> im going to aim for packaging for dapper...
[05:00] <ogra> gooseuk, planned for the next release (in april)
[05:01] <gooseuk> Great, is there a live CD version for your other projects?
[05:01] <jsgotangco> other projects?
[05:01] <jsgotangco> Ubuntu has live cd
[05:01] <jsgotangco> along with kubuntu
[05:01] <jsgotangco> for all archs
[05:10] <gooseuk> Great, the school wants to provide a live CD for students to take home to use on their system
[05:10] <highvoltage> JaneW: is this your son? http://www.flickr.com/photos/13916877@N00/48973688/
[05:11] <JaneW> highvoltage: LOL yes
[05:11] <JaneW> highvoltage: that's 1of2
[05:12] <JaneW> highvoltage: what makes it more funny is he had no idea what he was doing
[05:12] <JaneW> he cut his finger (on a brandy bottle - don't ask) and I asked him to show me where it was cut...
[05:15] <jsgotangco> JaneW: bad mommy
[05:17] <JaneW> ogra: can you gauge the PPC testing progress and ETA? Think we'll make it while it's still Oct 13th?
[05:18] <ogra> JaneW, no idea... i'm just watching te DL and am frustrated here
[05:18] <ogra> ETA says 5:11
[05:18] <JaneW> ogra: gosh... you must be TIRED too
[05:18] <ogra> but first i have to spend some 100 euros for hardware..
[05:19] <highvoltage> JaneW: lol
[05:19] <ogra> JaneW, that too... but more disappointed that nobody of our devs with ppc helps out
[05:19] <jsgotangco> sad
[05:20] <highvoltage> JaneW: we should use that picture for the next edubuntu wallpaper. just a pity he's white. some people might have a problem with it :P
[05:20] <ogra> JaneW, for me its an 8 h downlod because i dont have the iso yet... all ppc testers have the iso already, rsancing is done in less than 30min
[05:20] <ogra> *rsyncing
[05:20] <JaneW> highvoltage: lol
[05:20] <ogra> JaneW, and we have plenty of ppc users in the team
[05:20] <jsgotangco> yeah a lot of them do
[05:20] <JaneW> ogra: why won't they help?
[05:20] <jsgotangco> no interest really
[05:21] <jsgotangco> or think its more work
[05:21] <ogra> JaneW, no idea, i wont poke anyone directly... and only kamion spoke up when i asked
[05:21] <jsgotangco> ogra: you're the only one testing the dvd as well?
[05:21] <ogra> but i think he fell asleep after more than 50h work in a row
[05:22] <ogra> jsgotangco, thats something i have to sort now... going to buy a ppc (if i can get one and even if i only need it for 2h testing) and a new DVD writer
[05:23] <ogra> jsgotangco, but yes, i'm the one who tests them
[05:23] <ogra> note they are not really time critical... the CDs are
[05:23] <jsgotangco> yes
[05:23] <jsgotangco> :(
[05:24] <ogra> as i do... since more than 30h
[05:24] <ogra> heh
[05:24] <jsgotangco> its just sooo expensive here
[05:25] <highvoltage> we get the mac mini here for about R5000
[05:25] <ogra> JaneW, i'll drive to town now (80km) to see what i can get HW wise, if Kamion shows up on -devel and says the ppc installs passed, feel free to send the announcement...
[05:26] <highvoltage> that's about US$769
[05:26] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: that's a lot of money on my part
[05:26] <highvoltage> for me too.
[05:26] <ogra> for me too
[05:26] <jsgotangco> i just can't afford it atm
[05:26] <highvoltage> it's not expensive, but then again, it's almost a months salary
[05:26] <ogra> but do i have a choice ? 
[05:27] <jsgotangco> can you reimburse that?
[05:27] <JaneW> ogra: have you asked for funded h/w?
[05:27] <ogra> JaneW, nope
[05:27] <JaneW> ogra: you should
[05:27] <ogra> JaneW, i'll do that at UBZ
[05:27] <highvoltage> ogra: i really think you should be able to claim back for it. i think you'll gain lots of value from it and it will ultimately benefit Ubuntu and Canonical
[05:27] <ogra> wont help me now
[05:27] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:28] <ogra> highvoltage, i dont think sabdfl will object, but i need it *now*
[05:28] <highvoltage> yep. *sigh*
[05:28] <highvoltage> what are you going to buy?
[05:28] <jsgotangco> buy a mac mini at least
[05:28] <jsgotangco> or an emac
[05:28] <ogra> and since he's not here in my living room, he cant give it to me right away
[05:28] <jsgotangco> theres plenty of macs here but lack of money heh
[05:29] <ogra> jsgotangco, probably only a HD and ill abuse my GFs workplace... but i'd like to avoid that
[05:29] <jsgotangco> ah so your gf has a ppc
[05:29] <highvoltage> she should be running ubuntu already ;)
[05:30] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:30] <ogra> highvoltage, no quar Xpress this machine is her company...
[05:30] <highvoltage> ok.
[05:30] <ogra> and i fear to damage it
[05:31] <ogra> could make her jobless
[05:35] <JaneW> ogra: shall I send you the announcement so you can send it out?
[05:36] <gooseuk> Hey, do you have a gif that I could have of your Edubuntu logo, so I can create a wallpaper?
[05:36] <JaneW> gif!?
[05:36] <JaneW> yes I do
[05:37] <JaneW> RGB or CYMK?
[05:37] <gooseuk> both if possible
[05:37] <gooseuk> Could you email them to me?
[05:37] <gooseuk> cmdr_gooseuk@yahoo.co.uk
[05:37] <JaneW> oops I only have RGB gif
[05:38] <highvoltage> JaneW: what's wrong with that?
[05:38] <JaneW> gooseuk: on it's way
[05:39] <JaneW> gooseuk: I found a 'web clear' version too
[05:39] <gooseuk> That would be great as well
[05:39] <jsgotangco> heh i was looking at the local apple website and the cost of a powerbook is like buying a 2nd hand car
[05:40] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: what do they cost there?
[05:41] <jsgotangco> $1 USD = 56 Philippine Pesos
[05:41] <JaneW> ogra: release announceent on it's way to you...
[05:41] <jsgotangco> around $3,000
[05:42] <jsgotangco> the cost of an XServe is almost the same as that of my car i bought last year...
[05:42] <gooseuk> Is it easy to change the Icons in Edubuntu?
[05:44] <highvoltage> geez, so it's about 168000 pessos.
[05:44] <highvoltage> Pesos evenb
[05:45] <highvoltage> even even
[05:45] <highvoltage> gooseuk: you can change the icon set under preferences under system.
[05:45] <highvoltage> system -> preferences -> theme
[05:46] <gooseuk> Great thank you
[05:46] <jimcooncat> sorry, I don't see anywhere. Do we have an official release yet? 
[05:47] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: yup the car i bought last year (brand new form Kia) was 375,000
[05:48] <Knelix> Hello.
[05:48] <jsgotangco> hi
[05:49] <Knelix> Was wondering if ShipIt could provide Edubuntu CDs as well.
[05:49] <jsgotangco> Knelix: nope but stay tuned for it
[05:49] <Knelix> k. Any rough timeframe?
[05:51] <jsgotangco> we can't say at the moment
[05:51] <jsgotangco> but it'll come =)
[05:51] <Knelix> I have a class-- Introduction to Educational Technology-- which is disgustingly heavily focused on Microsoft software, but the teacher is receptive to alternatives and has allowed me to speak about Open-Source, which incredibly, is not even covered in the course. I have mentioned Ubuntu and Edubuntu to the class, and will be doing my software presentation on Celestia. Most of the students in the class, future teachers, have no idea wh
[05:52] <Knelix> I want to give everyone in the class a copy of Ubuntu to try out, and maybe then at least they'll remember something about alternatives. Copies of Edubuntu would be great, but I don't have the time to make so many CDs (I only have one burner), and I think the packaged CDs probably look a lot more "official" and "professional", and will make a better impression (which is important in the class) than my burned CDs.
[05:52] <Knelix> Our semester ends in December.
[05:52] <Knelix> So, I guess I'll just distribute the regular version now.
[05:53] <jsgotangco> we'll have a limited print run but you can ask JaneW for details on it
[05:54] <gooseuk> Knelix: If I may ask, what is Celestia
[05:54] <Knelix> http://www.shatters.net/celestia/
[05:54] <Knelix> It's a space simulator.
[05:55] <Knelix> "planetarium softwar"
[05:55] <Knelix> -e
[05:56] <Knelix> We're supposed to pick one piece of educational software, so I chose Celestia. 
[05:58] <jsgotangco> yes
[05:58] <jsgotangco> that's an awesome app
[05:58] <jsgotangco> when i show it to people they are just amazed at it
[06:00] <jsgotangco> im going to sleep =)
[06:00] <jsgotangco> good night
[06:08] <gooseuk> Erm what is a SVG file?
[06:34] <mhz_away> re for 3mins
[06:34] <mhz_away> :)
[06:35] <mhz_away> JaneW: did you see them? (cd stuff)
[06:40] <JaneW> mhz_away: yes, and I mostly like them, very nice! I do have one or 2 comments (can we discuss tomorrow when things are less hectic?)
[06:53] <JaneW> ogra: I am going out for a bit and will pop in between 10:30-11pm ok?
[06:57] <mhz_away> np
[07:17] <enyc> meep ;-)
[07:29] <sensei_> hi
[07:29] <sensei_> would it be possible to implement LTSP with only one LAN card in the server?
[07:35] <ogra> sensei_, yes
[07:36] <mhz_away> sensei_: ahaikm\, you'd need eth: and eth:1 etc
[07:36] <mhz_away> sensei_: afaik, you'd need eth: and eth:1 etc
[07:36] <mhz_away> sorry
[07:36] <mhz_away> sensei_: afaik, you'd need eth:0 and eth:1 etc
[07:37] <ogra> mhz_away, what for ? 
[07:37] <ogra> you can do everything in one network, thats how i do it here
[07:37] <mhz_away> ogra: I thought he'd need :0 for eb and :1 for local net?
[07:37] <mhz_away> ogra: I thought he'd need :0 for web and :1 for local net?
[07:38] <ogra> only if you do strange things like running two networks on the same HW layer
[07:38] <ogra> but you dont need that a all
[07:38] <mhz_away> hmmm, that's what i do here :)
[07:44] <sensei_> i didnt understand you both
[07:45] <ogra> sensei_, just install edubuntu and follow the http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes
[07:45] <ogra> it exactly designed for that
[07:46] <ogra> *its
[07:46] <ogra> grab the CD from here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/
[07:48] <sensei_> thats the lastest version? oh
[07:48] <ogra> yup
[07:48] <ogra> we'll release it in 1-2h
[07:50] <sensei_> ok thanks
[07:50] <sensei_> more power
[07:50] <ogra> :)
[07:51] <sensei_> oh one more thing, what do you suggest for restricting users? limited applications, folders, locking desktop etc... ala kiosk
[07:51] <sensei_> ^_^
[07:52] <ogra> sabayon, but you can use it currently only directly on the server, doesnt work through ltsp...
[07:53] <sensei_> oh
[07:54] <ogra> it has a bug... i would like to include it in the next release by default, but it needs some love
[07:56] <sensei_> ahh
[07:57] <sensei_> i'm going to download the latest iso to another cpu... bye thanks a lot. i really appreciate your help ^_^
[07:58] <ogra> sensei_, youre welcome :)
[09:00] <ogra> JaneW, ppc is broken due to a silly bug in ltsp :/
[09:04] <ogra> ok, looks like we have a release out there... 
[09:04] <ogra> no ppc though :/
[10:17] <gooseuk> Anyone around for a few questions
[10:22] <enyc> maybe
[10:23] <gooseuk> Its help with a network layout question for edubuntu
[10:23] <enyc> goos trying to setup a ltsp-setup  ?
[10:24] <gooseuk> I have 9 clients, 1 server, 1 hub and 1 modem. Can I hook the server and clients to the hub and then the modem, then run a web filter proxy on the server
[10:25] <enyc> afaik  filtering not includu in edubunut yet
[10:25] <gooseuk> Yeah I am going to download squid
[10:26] <enyc> i know squidguard etc. can be done
[10:26] <gooseuk> but its mainly the setup of the network, will it work in that configuation?
[10:27] <enyc> i dont know what you mean by '' server exactly ''
[10:27] <enyc> i dont know what you mean by ''server'' exactly
[10:27] <gooseuk> Well I want to run a mail server and configuation system for the other clients running edubuntu
[10:27] <enyc> can work allsorts of ways...
[10:30] <gooseuk> Can you control the clients from the server client?
[10:30] <gooseuk> the server will be running edubunut
[10:36] <enyc> goos: iirc that osrt of thing is '' teachers pet ''  tool ?
[10:36] <gooseuk> I don't understand what you mean by that?
[10:36] <enyc> ogra will probably know.....
[10:36] <ogra> enyc, thats only a spec for now
[10:37] <enyc> goos: iirc '' teachers pet ''  is name of appropriate tool  or something....
[10:37] <enyc> aah ok
[10:37] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/TeachersPet
[10:37] <enyc> idea for breezy maybe ;/)
[10:38] <ogra> we'll have the basic version ready in the next release and i will make a backport for breezy available
[10:38] <enyc> thx ;-)
[10:38] <ogra> http://www.grawert.net/SCP.png
[10:38] <ogra> a screenshot from a very early version
[10:39] <enyc> im ohpng   edubuntu will od well for computer in daycare-nurseries' chilren-usage-computer...
[10:40] <enyc> with mjch better programset than unmentionable oswith a pair of commercial small games....
[10:41] <enyc> definitely worth a go ;-)
[10:42] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuScreenShots :)
[10:42] <enyc> ,umm...
[10:44] <gooseuk> Erm question
[10:44] <enyc> i think ogra has been havinga muddle/faff sorting out this release
[10:44] <ogra> yes, it was hard... but its born :-D
[10:44] <gooseuk> Can I lock out a number of menus from the students?
[10:45] <gooseuk> eg settings that would envolve changing core system settings
[10:45] <ogra> gooseuk, you can do that with sabayon, it enables you to create user profiles
[10:45] <ogra> no need to break the system settings ;)
[10:45] <gooseuk> sabayon?
[10:45] <ogra> just create a profile fr a certain usergroup
[10:46] <gooseuk> erm, Ok is there a guide to do that 
[10:46] <ogra> yes... its a tool to manage such stuff like presettings and menu structures in profiles ...
[10:46] <gooseuk> Great
[10:46] <ogra> we dont have it in the default install, you need to instll it afterwards
[10:46] <gooseuk> Can I run it from the server to update the clients or change settings on the client machine
[10:47] <enyc> thanks for the release, ogra  and hereby unmentioned contributors ;-)
[10:47] <ogra> we didnt include it because you cant run it through ltsp on a client yet, but you can run it on the server without problems...
[10:48] <ogra> enyc, there were not many , but a lot of fellow testers without their feedback i'd have been lost :)
[10:48] <gooseuk> What is Ltsp, I keep hearing that
[10:48] <enyc> linux terminal server project
[10:49] <ogra> imagine you got a big server that has the capability to attach a number of displays, mice and keyboards 
[10:49] <enyc> now included in breezy
[10:49] <gooseuk> Ok...
[10:49] <ogra> you dont need hardware for every workplace, only displays and input devices...
[10:50] <gooseuk> So basically for me it isn't worth running a server as I can't control or change client systems remotely?
[10:50] <ogra> you can do all settings on the server, its easier to keep software and settings consistent
[10:50] <JaneW> back
[10:50] <enyc> i must play with this.... later ;p
[10:50] <JaneW> ogra: RELEASED!?
[10:50] <ajmitch_> wb JaneW 
[10:50] <JaneW> YAY!
[10:50] <ogra> JaneW, announcement is out, waiting for moderation... 
[10:51] <JaneW> ogra: I got it
[10:51] <JaneW> must be moderated...
[10:51] <ogra> JaneW, see backlog ...
[10:51] <ajmitch_> congrats to all, especially ogra :)
[10:51] <ogra> JaneW, we have lost one arch due to a silly bug :(
[10:51] <JaneW> oh unless I have the edubuntu-devel copy
[10:51] <ogra> ajmitch_, thanks a lot, it was a heavy birth
[10:51] <gooseuk> The problem is that primary school kids would mess with settings
[10:52] <JaneW> WELL DONE
[10:52] <ajmitch_> ogra: worth it though
[10:52] <ajmitch_> you deserve tp be proud of your new baby
[10:52] <ogra> YOU TOO
[10:52] <enyc> btw
[10:52] <gooseuk> Teachers need access to all the software etc
[10:52] <ogra> ajmitch_, i'm just slowly realizing ....
[10:52] <JaneW> ogra: did you update the wiki pages to remove PPC?
[10:52] <gooseuk> and settings
[10:52] <ogra> JaneW, sure
[10:52] <JaneW> the wiki releasenotes, and announcement etc?
[10:53] <ogra> JaneW, yep
[10:53] <ogra> ah, moment we have separae rel. notes ? 
[10:53] <gooseuk> How do I set up user groups too?
[10:53] <ogra> gooseuk, with the user and groups tool :)
[10:54] <enyc> after looking at the  hoary   upgraded-to-breezy-and-had-edubuntu-base'  added machine .....
[10:54] <gooseuk> Well I will basically need to set up 3 user groups, Students - Teachers - Admin
[10:54] <JaneW> ogra: should we mention the PPC problem in the Know issues list in http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes?
[10:54] <gooseuk> can I customise menu layouts for each user group?
[10:55] <ogra> JaneW, i was thinking about that... lets see if questions come...
[10:55] <enyc>  i found that starting 'tuxpaint' from menu sound-fails
[10:55] <ogra> enyc, fiel a bug, assign to ogra@ubuntu.com :)
[10:55] <ogra> *file even
[10:56] <ogra> gooseuk, yes, as i said with sabayon :)
[10:56] <gooseuk> So Sabayon is a user control program?
[10:56] <JaneW> ogra: ok
[10:56] <enyc> but.... starting apparently the same command from terminal not work
[10:57] <enyc> err,  DOES work even
[10:57] <JaneW> ogra: GAH it;s mentioned on our front page http://www.edubuntu.org/...
[10:57] <JaneW> is anyone with edit rights aroung?
[10:57] <JaneW> s/g/d
[10:57] <ogra> JaneW, only highvoltage afaik
[10:57] <enyc> ill try on actual-edubuntu install all-the-same
[10:58] <JaneW> ogra: ok we must ask highvoltage to edit that out as soon as we see him tomorrow
[10:58] <gooseuk> Another thing? Is there a way to create a custom file so I don't have to set up each computer one by one?
[10:58] <ogra> JaneW, yup
[10:58] <enyc> im still slow at my dvorak layout ;-(
[10:58] <ogra> gooseuk, ubuntu/edubuntu suports kickstart, read about that ;) 
[10:59] <ogra> gooseuk, it has an easy GUI to set up such a file that the installer reads to set the system defaults
[11:00] <enyc> 0000
[11:01] <ogra> enyc, ktouch helps :)
[11:01] <gooseuk> Ok what what is kickstart?
[11:01] <enyc> im just puzzled why starting from menu behaves differently...
[11:01] <enyc> envirnment vars ??
[11:01] <ogra> gooseuk, i just described it above :)
[11:02] <ogra> enyc, look with the menu editor 
[11:02] <gooseuk> Kickstart is the program that allows me to create a file with variables so that I don't need to set up each client on its own
[11:02] <ogra> yes
[11:02] <gooseuk> Does that include Usernames and groups?
[11:03] <ogra> the installer reads this variables on install and you can also set user and groupnames afaik...
[11:03] <ogra> i never actually used it, thats why i said you should read up about it :)
[11:03] <enyc> that was really silly ;p
[11:03] <ogra> heh
[11:03] <gooseuk> Oh, ok erm its on your wiki right?
[11:04] <enyc> stuff like   /opt/gnome-1.4/libs/
[11:04] <enyc> rather longer  lib paths etc... i cant remember
[11:05] <enyc> rgra:  the menu item just runs 'tuxpaint' ;p
[11:06] <enyc> am i supposed to do something clever with menuedit  ??
[11:07] <ogra> gooseuk, i think its rather documented on redhats pages anywhere, they developed it
[11:08] <ogra> enyc, edit your menu ? 
[11:08] <ogra> enyc, there you can see the command that is run, look if they're the same
[11:09] <enyc> they are
[11:09] <enyc> its just 'tuxpaint'
[11:09] <gooseuk> Is kickstart installed or included in the default package?
[11:09] <enyc> no parms/opts
[11:10] <ogra> gooseuk, its on the CD but not installed, its to specific to be installed by default, not everybody needs such a tool
[11:11] <enyc> anyway i can write a bugreport  when ive retested this on a plain edubuntu 5.10-release install ;-)
[11:11] <mhz> re
[11:11] <gooseuk> ::nods:: I understand, I can install it through the install program?
[11:11] <ogra> enyc, i didnt change anything on tuxpaint, so it will be the same behavior
[11:12] <enyc> kk
[11:12] <enyc> but ive upgraded through testing breezy etc....
[11:13] <ogra> hmm, while we talk about upgrading...
[11:13] <enyc> then installed 'edubuntu-base' whatever-it-was
[11:13] <ogra> heh, 277 updates
[11:14] <mhz> ogra: could we add an ubuntu rep. for spanish contact on release notes?
[11:14] <mhz> enyc: what prob. are you having?
[11:15] <mhz> gooseuk: what d'u mean
[11:15] <ogra> mhz, not on release notes but we should have a page that shows local contacts if you need support
[11:15] <ogra> gooseuk, yes
[11:15] <enyc> mhz when started via menu gives no snd ;p
[11:15] <enyc> mhz: tuxpaint when started via menu gives no snd ;p
[11:15] <mhz> ok, in the meantime i'll start translating it and re-sending that to spanish ML I am subscribed to
[11:17] <mhz> enyc: and sound does work on other apps?
[11:18] <enyc> yes
[11:19] <mhz> ogra: does elmo (or the person in charge of moin ACL) stick around this channel?
[11:19] <enyc> also works when start same cmd from term
[11:19] <mhz> hmmmm
[11:20] <ogra> mhz, elmo is in #ubuntu-devel
[11:20] <mhz> okidoki
[11:20] <ogra> he doesnt hang around here usually
[11:21] <enyc> i mean snd works when start manually
[11:21] <enyc> env  vars different [?] 
[11:21] <ogra> night JaneW 
[11:21] <JaneW> ogra: I hope you have planned some sleep for tonight?
[11:21] <enyc> tuxpaint   uses   libsdl  btw
[11:21] <JaneW> or some celebrating at least...
[11:22] <mhz> ogra: is elmo a patient reasonable person or is he a stressed one?
[11:22] <ogra> JaneW, the commmunity link needs fixage in the website ...
[11:22] <JaneW> ogra: oh right, what does it need?
[11:22] <ogra> JaneW,celebrating is planned for tomorrow, \sh comes
[11:22] <mhz> enyc: weired, too much
[11:22] <JaneW> ogra: glad to hear it, say hi from me
[11:22] <enyc> ;-)
[11:22] <ogra> JaneW, it points to Community, must change to EdubuntuCommunity
[11:22] <ogra> JaneW, i'll do :)
[11:23] <JaneW> I'll do it
[11:23] <ogra> you have da power ? 
[11:23] <mhz> super Jane!
[11:24] <JaneW> er it's done isn't it?
[11:24] <JaneW> check
[11:25] <JaneW> I think highvoltage did it
[11:25] <ogra> website works, wiki doesnt
[11:25] <ogra> thats something hno must change
[11:26] <ogra> the prob is that we cant keep the name...
[11:26] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Community and http://wiki.edubuntu.org/Community point to the same page
[11:27] <JaneW> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/Community has a message saying it's moved to http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCommunity
[11:28] <JaneW> community link on http://www.edubuntu.org/ points to http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCommunity
[11:28] <JaneW> what's the problem?
[11:30] <mhz> ogra: i think it is wiser to contact Henrik first and let him know my thought on how to calm the waters about wiki merging by modifying some stuff on the wiki server side. Then he'll tell me to direct to elmo or something. This way I'll not push the wrong way.
[11:31] <mhz> or I'll avoid disturbing "the force"
[11:31] <ogra> JaneW, yes, i asked for that
[11:31] <ogra> JaneW, click on "Community" n the wiki
[11:31] <ogra> *in
[11:31] <ogra> the Community site must go, we share all content with ubuntu so http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Community points to the same site... if there is a Community page in the ubuntu wiki, ti must show ubuntu content
[11:31] <ogra> oh, and this needs sorting too https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCommunity (launchpad wiki)
[11:32] <JaneW> oic... it;s in the wiki skin... hno73 will have to fix that
[11:32] <ogra> mhz, yes...
[11:32] <ogra> JaneW, yup
[11:32] <ogra> JaneW, now go to sleep... we can sort all this later ;)
[11:32] <JaneW> ogra: DITTO :P
[11:33] <ogra> :)
[11:33] <ogra> will do now ...
[11:33] <JaneW> ogra: at least it gives a non-broken page even if it's just a pointer page, so it's inelegant but not ugly
[11:33] <mhz> lol
[11:33] <mhz> yes
[11:33] <JaneW> night then
[11:33] <mhz> it is "politicaly correct" we'd say in Chile
[11:34] <mhz> night super Jane
[11:34] <ogra> JaneW, from a ubuntu POV its ugly ... if i want to read about the ubuntu community i dont expect such a page :)
[11:34] <ogra> because i dont associate Community with edubuntu as ubuntu user :)
[11:35] <mhz> right on that
[11:37] <mhz> ogra: i translate ReleaseNotes and then can I add a link from eng. version to spanish one?
[11:38] <ogra> yup
[11:38] <mhz> if so, at the begining and the end? at the begining only?
[11:38] <mwright1night> Hello
[11:38] <mhz> hei
[11:38] <mwright1night> There is no seeds on the 5.10 torrent
[11:39] <mwright1night> Does edubuntu include Teachers pet?
[11:39] <JaneW> mhz: night, promise to talk about your cool CD work tomorrow! Thanks again. Buenos noches(?)
[11:39] <mwright1night> Can you run normal LTSP with edubuntu?
[11:39] <mhz> buenas noches and i hope you dont dream of mr. Ed Ubuntu
[11:40] <mhz> normal? mwright1night 
[11:40] <ogra> i'm off as well... night all
[11:40] <mhz> isn't it same protocol? mwright1night 
[11:40] <mhz> ogra: please DO sleep well
[11:40] <ogra> i'll try
[11:41] <mhz> hehehe, need to if you plan to celebrate with her 2morrow
[11:41] <ogra> mhz, normal == insecure X transport, breezy == ssh tunnel ...
[11:41] <mwright1night> which protoocol?
[11:41] <ogra> but now, night ...
[11:41] <mwright1night> mhz: I don't understand what you're asking
[11:41] <mhz> ogra: nite there!
[11:41] <mwright1night> The torrent is the bittorrent protocol
[11:42] <mwright1night> And there is no seed on the edubuntu torrent for 5.10
[11:42] <ajmitch_> night ogra :)
[11:42] <mhz> mwright1night: i meant about your "ltsp" question
[11:42] <mwright1night> No it's not exactly the same
[11:42] <mhz> mwright1night: you are right, this is ssh tunnel, therefore more secure
[11:43] <mwright1night> This release of ubuntu has some limitations that core ltsp doesn't have, The next version of edubuntu won't have those limitations
[11:43] <mwright1night> ssh tunnel?
[11:43] <mwright1night> THe X server connection?
[11:43] <mhz> now, mwright1night IMHO, i think that if the dhcp conf resides under /etc/ltsp/
[11:44] <mwright1night> I've been using LTSP for a number of years 
[11:44] <mhz> and other configs are under standard trees (/opt) you could basically manually re-do stuff as you wish
[11:44] <mwright1night> The things that I am concerned don't work out of the box in edubuntu are local apps and the new local devices support won't be available until next release
[11:44] <mhz> mwright1night: based on ogra's directions, this ltsp is running using ssh
[11:45] <mwright1night> Do you know if "Teachers Pet" is included
[11:45] <mwright1night> it is rewrite of Teacher Tool
[11:45] <mhz> no idea, how would you call it from cmd line?
[11:45] <mwright1night> don't know it's a rewrite of Teach2.py
[11:45] <mwright1night> i think it is written as a gtk+ linked binary
[11:46] <mhz> never had to use it before so ignore if its here now
[11:46] <ajmitch_> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/TeachersPet
[11:46] <gooseuk> Do you all have a complete list of software installed on the distro apon install?
[11:46] <ajmitch_> that one?
[11:47] <mhz> mwright1night: i do know that LTSP for edubuntu, does need ssh, which is more secure imho
[11:47] <mwright1night> I wouldn't leave my application server directly connected directly to a dangerous network
[11:47] <mwright1night> I always have them behind my openbsd firewalls
[11:48] <mhz> gooseuk: once installed, you can use Synaptic (GUI) to list all installed applications, its version, its summary, etc.
[11:48] <mhz> gooseuk: and use the same app. to install or uninstall applications
[11:48] <mwright1night> 4.5k/s on edbubuntu...
[11:48] <gooseuk> ::nods:: I am writing up the proposal, with the core software that is in the menus apon installing it on a computer
[11:48] <mwright1night> can someone please seed the torrent on http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/
[11:49] <mhz> gooseuk: so you already installed edubuntu?
[11:49] <mhz> mwright1night: sorry, not me. I can't
[11:49] <gooseuk> Not yet, going to the school tomorrow to install it on a test machine
[11:49] <mhz> gooseuk: educool!
[11:50] <gooseuk> Erm?
[11:50] <mhz> gooseuk: you know you can count on us , esp. when we're not too busy
[11:50] <mhz> so just shout or ping if need help
[11:50] <gooseuk> You lot have been a great help so far
[11:50] <mhz> hope so
[11:51] <mhz> gooseuk: the first drug doze is always for free :D
[11:51] <gooseuk> So once I get this working at school, you can add the school to your list of users
[11:51] <mhz> yep
[11:51] <mhz> actually, YOU can add it yourself. That's what wikis are for
[11:52] <gooseuk> No problem :)
[11:52] <JohnnyCastaway> Is this distro good for kids to use on a home pc?
[11:52] <mhz> mwright1night: maybe you could ask in #ubuntu-devel if someone can add the seed you need
[11:52] <JohnnyCastaway> Does it have the learning tools shown on the web site?
[11:52] <mhz> JohnnyCastaway: what exactly you need it for? 
[11:53] <mhz> yes
[11:53] <JohnnyCastaway> Im looking for something for the kids to play and learn with...i see it doesnt have any adult content blocking yet. I use windoze and yahoo parental controls now and id like to switch to linux
[11:53] <mhz> JohnnyCastaway: the good thing is that you can use it as server or as a workstation for kids
[11:54] <JohnnyCastaway> I like ubuntu..as soon as I get COD and Bf2 working on my pc ill switch
[11:54] <mhz> JohnnyCastaway: parental control is something i have not used yet, fortunately, but yes, I am sure we can work something out
[11:55] <gooseuk> Speaking of adult content blocking, can you run squid from each client?
[11:55] <mhz> JohnnyCastaway: my daughter (4) just loves this distro
[11:55] <mhz> my son (9) hasn't seen it yet but he will
[11:55] <JohnnyCastaway> Ok.. Chow time ill bbl... Hope fully my 3 will like it, I have it d/ling now...does it have open office or anything like it?
[11:56] <mhz> gooseuk: it depends on what use you have of edubuntu
[11:56] <gooseuk> How do you mean?
[11:56] <JohnnyCastaway> Its in the kids playroom now. And they use it for everything
[11:56] <JohnnyCastaway> Ok BBL
[11:56] <mhz> gooseuk: if you use the "server way" (LTSP, and clients booting from it) then you only need squid on the server, that's it
[11:57] <gooseuk> See thats what is confusing me
[11:57] <gooseuk> Can I change user settings and customise the clients from the server?
[11:57] <mhz> gooseuk: shoot and we'll try to respond 
[11:58] <mhz> gooseuk: i'll summurize what edubuntu can let you do, step by step.
[11:58] <gooseuk> Great
[11:58] <mhz> gooseuk: as with any ubuntu flavour, when you are about to install , you 1st have to decide what you'll use it for.
[11:59] <mhz> gooseuk: in this case, we'll say you'll use it as a school application server
[11:59] <mhz> therefore, oyou just press <enter> at booting
[11:59] <mhz> gooseuk: you install it
[12:00] <mhz> gooseuk: and then, you'll see a GDM (Gnome Diplay Manager) login
[12:00] <mhz> you login and you are on a Gnome dektop
[12:00] <mhz> gooseuk: any question so far?
[12:00] <mhz> gooseuk: then,
[12:00] <gooseuk> none so far, thaks for going through this for me
[12:01] <mhz> you're welcome
[12:01] <mhz> gooseuk: then,
[12:02] <mhz> if you don't want to change the IP information you provided during install, the ONLY thing you have to do is connect one client machine with a crosover (just for this simple example) cable, set that machine BIOS to boot from network (PXE, ususally) and you'll immediately see Linux runnig on that client screen
[12:02] <mhz> gooseuk: any question so far?
[12:03] <gooseuk> Yes
[12:03] <mhz> shoot
[12:03] <gooseuk> So I have 9 clients, so can I hook the clients to a hub then the server?
[12:03] <mhz> yes
[12:04] <mhz> but that is another example :D
[12:04] <gooseuk> Great,
[12:04] <gooseuk> :) lol sorry
[12:04] <mhz> shall i go on?
[12:04] <gooseuk> please do
[12:04] <mhz> gooseuk: then,
[12:04] <mhz> after all those lines you'll see about hardware, kernel, memory, etc