=== fersfeir [n=fernando@201.250.4.68] has joined #edubuntu === martinhj [n=martinhj@238.80-202-208.nextgentel.com] has joined #edubuntu [12:44] how is it with sharing of memory between the same applications with different users - like five instances of epiphany on five different terminals running at the same time - will they share some of the memory on the terminal server? [12:44] sure [12:45] thats not dependent to the terminal server... [12:47] oh? [12:48] its a feature of linux... and multiuser systems in genereal... [12:48] ok, that's good [12:48] the terminal server only gives you the access... for computing you have the kernel :) [12:49] yeah, of course:-) [12:49] but how efficient is it? [12:50] if, say, epiphany uses about 11MB RAM for one user and 12MB for another (counting the shared memory for both)- how much of that memory is shared (if it's possible to measure like that) [12:51] i guess you can measure it but i never did myself :) look for documentation about kernel profiling [12:52] ok, thank you for your time.. think this part of muliuser systems are interesting:-) [12:52] yes, me too :) [12:53] seen the new userful system? [12:54] seems interesting [12:54] yes, i hope they once consider open sourcing their stuff... [12:55] yeah, I saw they didn't [12:55] but couldn't be that much? [12:55] much code I mean [12:56] no idea, i had not much time to look close at such things the last weeks... prerelease is always eating time :) [12:57] but I didn't know that multiseat in X had become stable yet [12:58] prerelease fo edubuntu, or both edub. and ubuntu? [01:02] i'm mainly doing edubuntu, but have to fix ubuntu bugs too... [01:02] we ship multiseat since hoary ;) [01:03] oh, I didn't know:-) [01:06] i can see there is a system for user-specific devices in multiseat [01:06] is it something like that in edubuntu to? [01:18] i dont know, i never worked with multiseat ... [01:18] but you can ask me everything about ubuntus ltsp ;) === thelusiv [n=thelusiv@adsl-068-209-090-003.sip.gsp.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:40] ogra: I thought if user-specific devices works with ltsp.. and how... [01:41] not yet... there are several approaches, but no right solution imho [01:41] is this something we will see in the future? [01:42] its on my list for dapper... highest priority [01:43] audio device access and local device access (cameras, usb drives etc) [01:43] yes.. would be nice [02:11] will edubuntu be released at the same time as ubuntu breezy? [02:11] yes. [02:11] cool :) i just learned about the project today...i've been looking for a good education-oriented os for my son [02:12] and i like ubuntu already... [02:12] excellent [02:13] i'm a developer too, so i would like to help the project somehow [02:14] i'm going to download the release when it's up, but in the mean time how is the project different from regular ubuntu? [02:17] thelusiv, it has some added educational software, another artwork, it includes ltsp in the default install and schooltool, a nice school scheduling app... [02:17] thelusiv, this is what we'll release tomorrow: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20051012.2/ just doing the last test install here [02:19] cool, thanks [02:19] so what kind of educational software? i'm guessing gcompris, childsplay, tuxpaint, and the like? [02:20] thelusiv, als worth a read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallNotes [02:20] yup... not chidlsplay...the space on one iso is to small for chidlsplay *and* gcompris and a distro :) [02:20] ah hehe [02:21] yeah my son's been using gcompris mostly anyway... [02:21] but most of the kdeedu suite is there too... [02:21] and you can easily install childsplay, its just not there by default :) [02:21] yeah i figured [02:21] so is it kde-based [02:22] nope [02:23] KDE and gnome integrate quite well nowadays [02:24] ok [02:24] has ktouch come along any? [02:25] the version i have installed for ubuntu hoary has some problems [02:25] like it won't keep track of your progress [02:28] it works fine here, tested 2 mins ago :) [02:35] cool [02:35] well i'll definitely give it a spin, and then try to find some way to get involved :) [02:36] just ping me in some days... (i'm pretty exhausted after building the release will need a 2 day nap ) [02:36] hehe, ok [02:37] ;) [02:37] every helping hand is welcome here :) === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.60.217.142] has joined #edubuntu === KingBahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:51] ok, so who else is awake :) === ogra slowly raises a hand [03:56] I am so going to sleep tomorrow [03:57] hehe, me too [03:57] but first i have to redo my CD :( [03:57] its scratched... [03:58] :( [03:58] ogra: how long have you been awake? [03:58] 25 or 30h no idea... [03:59] if i count them i get more tired .... sheep, you know :) [04:00] hehe === ajmitch_ hands ogra some more coffee === highvoltage has a cup with 4 teaspoons of milo and another 4 hot chocolate :) === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu [04:12] jsgotangco: morning [04:12] hey [04:12] doing an all-nighter? [04:13] no, that's ogra ;) [04:13] mmm the wiki is merged already [04:13] i went to bed at 10 and got up at 3, so i at least had 5 hours of sleep, ogra only slept 30 mins! [04:13] yep. [04:15] errr where are the wiki entries? [04:16] jsgotangco: which ones, specifically? i can see them. [04:17] well going to wiki.edubuntu.org gives me the ubuntu wiki i want to see our old wiki frontpage [04:20] oh yes, the edubuntu wiki is at /EdubuntuWiki [04:21] ahhh [04:21] the main page has just been fixed to link to /EdubuntuWiki instead [04:21] i see henrik's page instead of the old frontpage [04:22] its in /Edubuntu [04:23] there's still some pages that need fixing [04:30] i find the merge quite odd [04:30] http://wiki.edubuntu.org/Community [04:30] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Community [04:31] we'll have to prefix everything now... [04:32] yes [04:33] more fun =) [04:33] hmm [04:34] oh, and editing subpages with the css bug is *very* hard... you only have a 10 char wide input fied [04:41] /name/names [04:42] yes [04:42] try to edit such a page :) === highvoltage scratches head [04:43] "/name/names" was an accident, but i'm sure you're just joking ;) [04:45] noe [04:45] try editing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero/BOFs while you have the edubuntu theme enabled [04:48] oh yes, the css breaks on sub-pages. hno73 knows about it, i think he looked into it last night (our time) [04:48] yup [04:50] peh!! i can edit files in the edubuntu docroot, but can't create new files [04:50] but i can in ./images, so i'll but news there temporarily [04:54] ogra: do you know of someone who has root access on orcadas that I could bother quickly? [04:55] i dont even know what orcadas is [04:55] bt elmo is still awake i guess [04:55] i /msg'd him === P3L|C4N0 brb [05:04] elmo++ [05:05] :) === macgyver2 is now known as mac2|asleep [05:09] anyone good with enrish please check for grammar? http://www.edubuntu.org/news.html [05:10] (and other typos/spelling mistakes, etc) [05:11] sure, sec [05:12] that's the wrong wallpaper [05:12] edubuntu girl is the default wallpaper [05:12] =) [05:13] is it!? [05:13] yippeeeee!!!!!!!!!!! [05:13] ok, i'll change it, have to download edubuntu girl again [05:13] hmm... that sounded weird. [05:13] geez, then i'll have to do some screenshots over again. [05:13] i guess you haven't been reading the list [05:14] hmm, it would probably be snazzier to say "Edubuntu makes its debut!". You also need a comma after "The Breezy Badger". It may sound better to say "...and other quality software that you will also find in Ubuntu." [05:15] Try using "...only one day before the first release" [05:15] Don't need the comma after "...tightly integrates with the Edubuntu wiki" [05:16] and of course "mailing list", not "mailinsg list" [05:17] (other than that, it's better to use "Web site" and not "website", but that's your call) [05:17] jsgotangco: i am behind on the list :( === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-34-26.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #edubuntu [05:18] crimsun: thanks, i will apply changes in about 5 mins, i'm nutral on Web site vs website. [05:18] np [05:30] we have some screenshots up now: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuScreenShots === highvoltage edits news in meantime === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:31] moin all here [05:31] the screenshots still needs links to bigger versions, and i need new screenshots with our favourite edubuntu girl [05:31] hi mhz [05:31] heyp [05:31] sorry, High [05:31] :) [05:31] mhz: np, P = I.V [05:32] or something like that :) [05:32] there's a problem with permissions, I guess, on one of the merged pages [05:32] it is EdubuntuNews/20051012 [05:33] it looks like hell [05:33] mhz, all subpages are broken [05:33] not all? all as in 'all'??? [05:33] everything that has a extra / in its path [05:34] but it's strange broken. broken should not show an existing page, should it? [05:35] no idea, you are the wiki specialist :) [05:35] mmmmhhhh, unless they are rendered form cache [05:35] (server cache) [05:36] arkan0x: ping [05:36] crimsun: sure we don't need a comma after "integrates with the Edubuntu wiki"? i think its good there. [05:36] mhz: we're going to delet EdubuntuNews/20051012 [05:36] you can leave it, highvoltage [05:36] ok [05:36] it's being replaced with http://www.edubuntu.org/news.html [05:37] and that will be changing to (or at least, it's busy changing as we speak) [05:37] highvoltage: any chance wiki admin can install SlideShow plugin? [05:38] it is really cool, esp. when showing off the potential of moin content :) [05:38] crimsun: i changed it to "web site", i can't justify using a capital letter there :) [05:39] capital? you mean CamelCase? [05:39] no, as in "website" vs "Web site" vs "web site" [05:39] 05:15 < crimsun> (other than that, it's better to use "Web site" and not [05:39] "website", but that's your call) [05:39] ooohhh, duh! [05:39] refering to the news page. [05:39] :) [05:40] ok, that happens to me for breaking up into conversations :D [05:40] it's entirely possible that I'm not making sense either, it's stil 5:40am here :) === mhz gets back to reading wiki pages and see when it is good to make them KISS [05:41] lol [05:41] mhz: i think you probably know about the edubuntu wiki and ubuntu wiki has merged [05:41] yep [05:41] mhz: it propably wouldn't be too difficult to convince the admin to have it installed [05:41] educool! [05:42] i think we should get that done after we've got the most basic things working. [05:42] in other words, it's a bit lower priority right now ;) [05:42] but keep that thought, i think it's a good ide.a [05:42] We, in Tecnocimiento, always use it. It's very handy and reduces double work [05:42] anyone have a screenshot of the desktop with edubuntu girl for me? [05:43] are you being mean? or serious? [05:43] and if possible, the shots with these menus: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuScreenShots [05:43] the top two [05:43] highvoltage, i can make one, yust wait until the install finished [05:43] mhz: about the slideshow plugin? serious, how could you take that as being mean! === thelusiv [n=thelusiv@adsl-068-209-090-003.sip.gsp.bellsouth.net] has left #edubuntu [] [05:43] ogra: thanks [05:44] highvoltage: I meant about the 'girl' screenshot [05:44] :) [05:44] but i realize it is part of the general work === mhz backs to reading [05:45] highvoltage, oh, damned i have a german install running here [05:45] mhz: no, i'm always serious about edubuntu girl, i would never, ever joke about her. [05:45] ogra: send it, i can't see a problem with it. [05:45] at least people will see that it has multi-language support ;) [05:45] it will take a bit more then... since need to do all tests before i change something [05:45] ok, np. [05:46] highvoltage: you seem to have a bit of latin DNA in your blood... you just have that ironic-sneaky sense of humour [05:46] you also need a normal one for the webpage, right ? [05:46] mhz: mhuhahahahahaha [05:47] ogra: yes, i think. [05:47] oki [05:47] what would an ubuntu user use to burn .iso images in Ubuntu? [05:47] i use cdrecord, but it's not something i want to suggest on the wiki. [05:48] you right click the iso file and select "burn to disc" [05:48] cool. [05:49] ogra: I almost forgot it... the install I am using to train Tecnocimiento gang did not work well at the end because of a 'Trident' video card (too old?) However, one of the hardware guys managed to make it work ok. Nevertheless, clients boot up and get to LDM but we could not make them start a session. After password, they always got back to LDM [05:49] highvoltage, but a ubuntu user would be silly to make an iso... [05:50] mhz, ltsp-update-sshkeys ? [05:50] hmmm, we didn't try it, boooh [05:50] highvoltage, you waste a lot less bandwith if you just dist upgrade and install edubuntu on top [05:50] ok, we'll do first thing tomorrow (meaning 3 PM, almost) [05:51] ogra: i'm not sure i understand you [05:51] ping me, if i'm awake (very unlikely) i might be able to help :) [05:52] highvoltage, what would an ubuntu user use to burn .iso images in Ubuntu? [05:52] ogra: so a guy like me could do: server install -> xubuntu-desktop -> edubuntu-server ? and that will not provide GNOME? [05:52] i thought you referred to a edubuntu iso [05:52] ogra: i just needed to put it here: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/DownloadEdubuntu [05:52] i think we'll need to clean up that bottom part, [05:52] and eventually add some screenshots just to make it look cool. [05:53] crap. [05:53] hm, kay... [05:53] where can I find the edubuntu community page? [05:53] does it still exist somewhere? [05:53] yes [05:53] but if you are already running ubuntu there is no need to download an iso :) [05:53] http://wiki.edubuntu.org/Community [05:54] highvoltage, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Community [05:54] i think you need to make that EdubuntuCommunity [05:54] yes [05:54] else you'll confuse ubuntu... [05:55] ok, thanks. [05:55] yes, it confused me too :) [05:55] it confuses me all day already... i really think merging the wikis wasnt right [05:56] especially since the css doesnt change dynamically... [05:56] I would have 2nd thoughts, but maybe I would have opted for usign InterWiki feature instead [05:56] i think it was just a bad time to merge wiki's [05:57] (it wasn't right really) [05:57] lol [05:57] (edubuntu has its own audience) [05:57] but maybe, just maybe, it was never right to hav diff /data dirs [05:58] the merge would be fine if it would actually work right... [05:58] jsgotangco: i agree on the diff audience but take wikipedia for exapmple. Imagine diff /data dirs for diff audiences? [05:58] well true [05:58] my concern with it is that i have the same css everywhere, i can not visually see in which wiki i am currently... [05:59] I believe the 'idea' of merging is that we all get quickly to related data and metadata [05:59] also the contents totally mix up and the ubuntu wiki is a mess in many places... [05:59] ogra: i see. [05:59] and my biggest coincern is ITS SOOOO SLOOOOW you can hardly use it [06:00] ogra: regarding css/ maybe a good idea could be to start using UbuntuTemplate, KubuntuTemplate, EdubuntuTemplate, etc. Templates can contain [06:00] i had moments today where i waited 2mins for a preview to appear [06:00] mhz, the ubuntu wiki is a mess really [06:00] ogra: i agree with you on the css part, i would have also liked to know in which wiki i was, or at least, know if something was edubuntu specific or not [06:01] HomepageCategory won't work here for sure navigation-wise [06:01] highvoltage, it works fine if you are logged out [06:01] lol [06:01] :) [06:01] do we need a longer explanation here: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/Community [06:02] lunch brb [06:02] jsgotangco: mess? yes! can be improved? yes, too! How soon? no idea! but we definately have to figure out [06:02] mhz, it has been a mess since last year :P [06:02] ooooh [06:02] highvoltage, wh didnt you just rename it ? [06:02] Moin -> zwiki -> Moin [06:02] ogra: what would be the difference? [06:03] mhz, it gets messed up every day, i doubt anyone could cope with that [06:03] i'm not too familiar with moin, and i think there should be a /Community page that links to UbuntuCommunity, EdubuntuCommunity and KubuntuCommunity. [06:03] or should it? [06:03] i don't know. ignore me. [06:03] highvoltage, you wouldnt have a useless Community page in the ubuntu wiki ;) [06:03] mmmhhhh, we could, i know but it takes 'guts', much of it! [06:04] ogra: ok, i was thinking of keeping it there just in case we have links to it [06:04] from within the wiki the bar at the top links to /Community [06:04] highvoltage, yes, that needs fixing [06:04] highvoltage: or you can use #redirect NameOfNewPage [06:04] my word, is it my imagination, or is our site/wiki actually coming together in some way. [06:05] mhz, that would still redirect all ubuntu users [06:05] mhz: ah, ok. i'll do that. ooh, ok. perhaps not. [06:05] lol [06:05] lol [06:05] lol [06:05] heh [06:05] i think it's good like it is, if someone doesn't, change it. [06:05] highvoltage, its a wiki ! [06:05] can it be immutable, then? [06:05] everybody changes everything everyday [06:05] yes! it makes deligation so easy! [06:06] highvoltage: ogra: jsgotangco: i see you r points, but please see what wikipedia does to "effectively" solve this same issues and have everything lot better organized [06:07] ogra: we can still apply ACL [06:07] mhz, we wont use php anywhere on a official server [06:07] mhz: i use mediawiki much more than moin ;) [06:07] highvoltage: we could still apply SomeGroups, OtherGroups, etc. and each group be responsible for the content [06:08] ogra: I am not talking about php, nor mediawki ( highvoltage ), i mean "organization" [06:09] mhz: yes, lets keep the groupnames as vague as possible, I propose we use the groupnames "SomeGroups", "OtherGroups", "MoreGroups", "UselessGroups", "WatcherGroups". [06:09] hehehe, for instance, yes. As long as they commit to be responsible for their content [06:09] cleaning, reversing, editng, deleting, etc [06:10] mhz: ok, i'm not responsible for the wiki though, could you make a list of things we would like to see changing on the wiki? [06:10] (preferably, ON the wiki? ;) ) [06:10] seriusly/ [06:10] yes, seriously. things tend to go forgotten if it's mentioned on irc. [06:10] highvoltage: do you mean it? can we suggest such changes? [06:11] we can suggest whatever we want. [06:11] the worst they can do is say no. [06:11] or not accept submitions ! [06:11] hihihi [06:11] we could even suggest that they put a picture of david hasselhoff on each page, it doesn't mean it's going to happen ;) [06:11] lol [06:11] you latin DNA!! [06:12] if i knew a latin word, i would have said it right about... [06:12] here. [06:12] hehehe [06:12] ok, so let's make room for oliver to crash a little [06:13] I'll get back to reading wiki [06:13] oh yes, my ubuntu had two kernel panics last night, each time while receiving an sms while on gprs. how weird is that? [06:13] terribly weired [06:14] highvoltage: ping if you need company or share ideas === mhz reading [06:14] Sona si Latine loqueris. [06:14] mhz: ok [06:14] wth? [06:14] sona si latine loqueris? [06:14] "Honk if you speak Latin" [06:14] lol!!!!!1 [06:14] http://web.mit.edu/afs/athena.mit.edu/user/d/r/dryfoo/www/Funny-pages/handy-latin.html [06:15] this is very funny: http://ablemedia.com/ctcweb/consortium/moremottoes4.html === highvoltage gets more hot chocolate / milo, and then back to work. [06:15] and then back to real work. [06:15] highvoltage: just to have things cristal here... from now on ALL wikis will be at wiki.ubuntu.org/ ? [06:21] yay, finally... x86 is ready for release [06:21] mhz: yes, at least the udu, edubuntu and ubuntu wikis [06:21] mhz: you can also access it from wiki.edubuntu.org, which we'll use for all official edubuntu links [06:22] ogra: yippeee! [06:22] now to find amd64 and ppc testers we cant release without tests :/ [06:22] ogra: congratulations, and good work. [06:22] highvoltage, that lies still far ahead.. i need the missing tests done first, but i dont have the HW here [06:23] ogra: what can we say? No cheer, no thanks would do you justice for all the effort you've made. Thank you very much [06:23] sabdfl should buy you an amd64 and ppc laptop ;) [06:23] i have an amd64 laptop... but with a broken CD/DVD ... [06:24] I have a ppc laptop here, G3, 350 Mhz [06:24] and i have a ppc thats owned by my GF [06:24] ogra: install over network, ubuntu's network install is cool. [06:24] ogra: but you probably know about that :) [06:24] highvoltage, i have to test the iso, that no option [06:24] mmmmmh, you're screwd, then [06:25] :) [06:25] ogra: yes, sorry. [06:25] even using the Q... that let's you run any OS? [06:25] mhz, nope, i'll buy a second HD for the ppc tomorrow and if i can get one, a USB DVD writer ... [06:26] will it boot fromUSB? [06:26] ogra: does ppc and amd64 not have to be released today too? [06:26] highvoltage, all or nothing [06:27] highvoltage, the bad part is that i urgently want the DVD too... so i'll have to test that as well for all arhes [06:27] mmmmmh, you're screwd, then [06:27] :D === mhz just kidding [06:28] i'll manage somehow... i doubt i'll see any breakage on the other arches, but you never know [06:28] User Friendly should write an issue about ogra's cruzade [06:29] the problem is the download speed, DVDs take ages... even if they are onyl 2Gig big [06:29] you'll maswan's mighty bandwidth heh [06:29] ogra: and phisically, where are the files hosted? [06:29] country? [06:30] swiss alps [06:30] mhz, UK, i dont know if dailies get rsynced to the mirrors [06:30] can canonical pay you the trip to the host? [06:30] can i link an image to another page in moin? [06:30] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/current/ [06:31] highvoltage: yes [06:31] mhz: how do i do that? [06:31] ahh [06:32] highvoltage, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/ [06:32] screenshots ^^^ [06:33] highvoltage: unfortunately, we depend on admin having installed some stuff I presume he did not (unintentionally , of course) [06:33] ogra: thanks [06:33] highvoltage: however, what from normal moin usercan do is "call a page from another page" [06:33] see www.tecnocimiento.cl [06:34] that has 3 pages called and 'rendered' from Inicio page [06:34] one of them is an image [06:34] :) === mhz is now known as mhz_reading === robson_1981 [n=icafe@222.124.236.197] has joined #edubuntu [06:48] ogra, will you be the one sending the annoucement? === mhz_reading is now known as mhz_sleeping [06:58] jsgotangco, i think JaneW rather [06:59] i need some sleep i'll go to bed for 4-5h [06:59] ok [06:59] i will catch her up then [06:59] from my POV the RC announcement is fine... [07:00] the liks (wiki) need to be updated though.... [07:01] let me see what needs fixing [07:09] do we still need the ==Design== section on the edubuntu wiki frontpage? [07:10] where can i find our old frontpage? [07:15] i'm going to move /Edubuntu to /EdubuntuFrontpage [07:15] or no. [07:15] i'm going to move the content to /EdubuntuWiki [07:15] and redirect === maximillian [n=maximill@210.213.198.121] has joined #edubuntu [07:25] anyone here? [07:25] hi [07:26] I have some questions..... === highvoltage is [07:26] a few minutes after release? hehehe [07:26] you just answered it [07:26] hehe [07:27] hehe [07:27]