[12:02] <apokryphos> ryman: ...and not be annoying about it in the meantime
[12:02] <ryman> how do I uninstall this shit and GRUB ??
[12:02] <insanekane> eh ?
[12:03] <ryman> yes...
[12:03] <insanekane> i dont see no shit :)
[12:03] <apokryphos> ryman: please don't be stupid; and quit trolling
[12:03] <ryman> eeeh.... shit th same, I want to get rid of GRUB
[12:03] <apokryphos> please observe the code of conduct when in here
[12:03] <insanekane> ryman: whats wrong with GRUB ? Its really nice here
[12:03] <apokryphos> !coc
[12:03] <ubotu> I heard coc is the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/
[12:04] <rdubs> breezy is off the heezy
[12:04] <ryman> insanekane: U know what Grub is?
[12:04] <insanekane> yep
[12:05] <ryman> i just wanna get rid of that...
[12:05] <insanekane> ryman: why ?
[12:05] <ryman> couse I don't need it.. =/
[12:05] <insanekane> it allows you to boot multiple OSes
[12:05] <ryman> yes...
[12:05] <ryman> I only want one OS
[12:06] <apokryphos> you, of course, remove it like any other package
[12:06] <apokryphos> but if you wanna remove the MBR, you'll have to overwrite it with something else
[12:06] <ryman> how do I do that, I'm a NooB at "linux"
[12:07] <insanekane> ryman: it would be a good idea to actually keep GRUB ... it helps when you want to debug any problems you may have later on
[12:07] <insanekane> ryman: this is especially true for "NooBs" in "linux"
[12:08] <ryman> insanekane: couse i'm going to learn more about "Linux" before I install it next time...
[12:08] <ryman> insanekane: I don't use it right now and need the space
[12:09] <ryman> I just want the command to remove GRUB
[12:10] <insanekane> ryman: GRUB takes up less space than the nail on your little toe :)
[12:10] <insanekane> ryman: btw, the best way to learn "linux" is to install a distro (like Kubuntu) *now* and begin to use it
[12:10] <ryman> but I can't use the space "Linux" is on from Win XP...
[12:11] <insanekane> ryman: well sure you can, just remove the partition and/or reformat to FAT32
[12:11] <ryman> insanekane:  I have kubuntu, but i don't understand a shit... I have done that but Grub stays somewhere...
[12:12] <Riddell> does anyone have an amd64 and a DVD burner?
[12:12] <insanekane> ryman: anyway, strictly speaking, this is a Windows XP troubleshooting question, not a Kubuntu one ... so your problems are best solved elsewhere .. i guess ...
[12:12] <ryman> insanekane: oookeeeey? HOW do I do then?
[12:12] <ryman> insanekane: I'm going insane on this soon... =/
[12:13] <insanekane> ryman: contact a windows XP support channel ??
[12:13] <ryman> but, aren't there any short commands to delete Grub?
[12:14] <insanekane> ryman: don't know ... i don't use windows XP that often (or at all)
[12:15] <ryman> but I mean in Kubuntu/linux
[12:17] <Juerd> I jsut realised
[12:17] <Juerd> Today is release day (right?)
[12:17] <rem_> Thursday i think ..
[12:17] <insanekane> ryman: i thought you already removed linux ... anyway, even if you didn't remove linux, the problem is a windows XP problem. go ask microsoft or windows lovers
[12:18] <coruja> ryman: maybe try booting into your xp from cd and to remove linux and grub from there, if you don#t want to stay with kubuntu...
[12:18] <rem_> apt-get remove grub ...but i wouldnt do it unless u use LILo or something ..
[12:18] <coruja> don't
[12:19] <ryman> thanx everbody!!! =)
[12:19] <ryman> *kisses*
[12:19] <CzarAlex> how do I disble the KOrganizer Alarm Daemon from starting when i boot my system? I unchecked the "Start Alarm Client at Login" and restart, but its always there. Suggestions?
[12:20] <ryman> REBOOT for me! *Weeeiiii*
[12:20] <ryman> bye
[12:22] <ryman> HI AGAIN!
[12:23] <ryman> insanekane: H I didn't get rid of grub =/
[12:25] <insanekane> ryman: doh
[12:25] <ryman> insanekane: yeah right =P soo how do I do with my problem? search in win?
[12:25] <insanekane> ryman: ask some windows technician
[12:26] <ryman> insanekane:  oki... U don't know were I can find one? :P
[12:26] <insanekane> ryman: nope. of course, you can pay me to find an answer to your question
[12:27] <_42> where is the 5.10RC cd iso?
[12:27] <ryman> insanekane: LoL 
[12:27] <coruja> ryman: googling for "windows xp fix mbr" might be helpful too
[12:27] <_42> nvm
[12:27] <_42> just read topic heh
[12:28] <ryman> insanekane: what's mbr stand for? =S
[12:28] <hydrogen> master boot record
[12:28] <_42> master boot record dude
[12:28] <ryman> =P
[12:28] <TokenBad> anyone know good site to download kde themes?
[12:28] <_42> www.kdelook.org or something like that
[12:29] <ryman> thanx guys... see u later... maybe =P
[12:29] <TokenBad> ok know that one already
[12:37] <TokenBad> which gcc to install for kubuntu?
[12:38] <TokenBad> hmm
[12:39] <Tm_T> 4.0 ?
[12:39] <TokenBad> I seem to have gcc installed
[12:39] <TokenBad> but the file just tried to install says I don't have one installed
[12:39] <Tm_T> eh
[12:40] <Tm_T> do you have g++ too?
[12:40] <TokenBad> think so
[12:40] <TokenBad> I just checked
[12:40] <TokenBad> and says have um
[12:41] <TokenBad> yeah seems but its like 3.3
[12:41] <TokenBad> doing 4.0 now
[12:41] <TokenBad> still says its not there
[12:42] <TokenBad> but now have g++ 4.0
[12:42] <TokenBad> and gcc 4.0 installed
[12:44] <Tm_T> remove 3.3
[12:45] <Tm_T> I don't think you ever need it again
[12:46] <N17R0> Is Kubuntu Breezy also being released today ?
[12:47] <TokenBad> but why does the program not see the gcc
[12:47] <Tm_T> TokenBad: I have no idea
[12:48] <TokenBad> the others didn't seem to have any trouble
[12:48] <Tm_T> autotools :(
[12:51] <stodge> Hi - is there any way to make the fonts in Kubuntu look sharper and less ragged? I'm using anti-aliasing (selectable through KDE settings)
[12:52] <Tm_T> check your antialiasing settings
[12:53] <stodge> e.g. my fonts don't look anything like this picture:   http://www.zimmertech.com/images/kubuntu_full.jpg
[12:53] <stodge> I have "use anti-aliasing" set
[12:54] <Tm_T> yes, but is it set to maximum?
[12:54] <Tm_T> and ufff, ugly desktop
[12:54] <stodge> Yes it is
[12:54] <stodge> ...set to max
[12:54] <stodge> I restarted some apps but there's no difference. Do I need to restart X?
[12:56] <occy> will kubuntu come out when Breezy is released?
[12:56] <occy> sorry for the stupid question.
[12:56] <Tm_T> occy: sure :)
[12:57] <occy> I guess it'll have 3.4.x KDE huh?
[12:57] <Tm_T> 3.4.3 I think
[12:57] <Tm_T> or 3.4.2 first
[12:57] <occy> I've been thinking about trying it...
[12:57] <Tm_T> :)
[12:57] <occy> but I'm so attached to the gnome world
[12:57] <occy> heh
[12:57] <occy> all the apps I use use gtk
[12:58] <crimsun> 3.4.3 actually.
[12:58] <Tm_T> I use Kubuntu breezy & KDE 3.5 beta1
[12:58] <occy> that said, I am a previous kde user of 3 years+  (99-02)
[12:58] <occy> and kfm 0.0.1 in 97 
[12:58] <occy> heh
[12:58] <Tm_T> occy: btw, what apps you're using then?
[12:58] <occy> xchat :)
[12:58] <Tm_T> yuk
[12:58] <occy> firefox,  thunderbird
[12:58] <occy> gimp
[12:58] <Tm_T> heh
[12:58] <occy> inkscape
[12:59] <occy> all are built against gtk
[12:59] <Tm_T> well, I use gimp and inkscape
[12:59] <occy> I wish there were qt builds of those same apps
[12:59] <EcksEightySix> is it realistic to expect a kubuntu release tomorrow?
[12:59] <Tm_T> but there's konqi an Kmail
[12:59] <Tm_T> EcksEightySix: ofcourse?
[12:59] <occy> Tm_T, *shiver*  konq....
[12:59] <occy> :)
[01:00] <Tm_T> Kmail is imho better than Thunderbird
[01:00] <occy> the UI isn't for me.  But then, everyone has different tastes.  
[01:00] <EcksEightySix> sweet
[01:00] <Tm_T> I used Thunderbird about 2 months ago
[01:00] <occy> kmail does some things really nice
[01:00] <occy> that's the thing about a lot of open source apps in general
[01:00] <occy> most things do a lot of things nice
[01:00] <Tm_T> occy: heh, you can pretty easily make it to looks as you like
[01:00] <occy> but you can't find all the features rolled up into one core set of apps.
[01:01] <Tm_T> :)
[01:01] <occy> Tm_T, if things are off by 1pixel, I notice.
[01:01] <occy> sooo...
[01:01] <Tm_T> haha
[01:01] <occy> I'm extremely picky
[01:01] <Tm_T> you're like me then
[01:01] <occy> I'm a graphic designer
[01:01] <occy> heh
[01:01] <occy> I have to be picky
[01:01] <Tm_T> well, you can use Firefox in KDE aswell
[01:01] <occy> http://occy.net/tmp/columbus-screenshot.png
[01:01] <Tm_T> just like I do
[01:01] <occy> this little thing here I spent about 3 or 4 hours on.
[01:02] <occy> seems small and insignificant...but.
[01:02] <occy> I paid attention to all the spacing and everything.
[01:02] <Tm_T> only 4h?!
[01:02] <occy> it's not an Icon or art.... but it's well laid out.
[01:02] <occy> Tm_T, :P
[01:02] <Tm_T> occy: that's kind of pic I'm used to draw pixel by pixel
[01:02] <occy> heh
[01:03] <occy> I can't draw per se
[01:03] <occy> but I do understand white space
[01:03] <Tm_T> just choosing colours could take hours
[01:03] <occy> a lot of kde apps annoy me with their whitespace violations.
[01:03] <Tm_T> :(
[01:03] <occy> that said, so do most gtk apps
[01:03] <occy> but every once in a while, you can find a decdent gtk theme.
[01:04] <occy> that masks gtk's issues.  I haven't been so lucky with my forays into kde.
[01:04] <Tm_T> occy: ok, use KDE with apps you like, that's how I did (until I realised how good most of qt apps are :))
[01:04] <occy> nod
[01:04] <occy> it's all about being comfortable
[01:04] <Tm_T> heh
[01:04] <occy> I've not given KDE a fair shake as of late
[01:04] <occy> I need to give it a full 2 weeks or so
[01:04] <occy> but... I... get... so... antsy....
[01:04] <Tm_T> yu
[01:05] <occy> that and it's hard when you are trying to get work done.
[01:05] <Tm_T> I used gnome about 2 weeks and I got pissed off
[01:05] <occy> Tm_T, hehe
[01:05] <occy> I totally understand that
[01:05] <crimsun> I'm waiting for the new cross-platform artwork thingy
[01:05] <occy> crimsun, nod
[01:05] <occy> crimsun, that won't really address a lot of other issues.
[01:05] <Tm_T> anyway, I love KDE <3<3<3
[01:05] <occy> but, it should help with a consistant look and feel
[01:05] <crimsun> consistency is key
[01:05] <Tm_T> ->
[01:05] <occy> Tm_T, check out the tango project.
[01:05] <Tm_T> occy: it stinks
[01:06] <occy> Tm_T, heh
[01:06] <occy> Tm_T, thanks, I'm helping with it.
[01:06] <occy> :)
[01:06] <Tm_T> occy: KDE and gnome is too different imho
[01:06] <occy> Tm_T, :P
[01:06] <Tm_T> occy: and I got my information about it from person doing it
[01:06] <Riddell> occy: what are you doing with tango?
[01:06] <occy> Tm_T, who's that?
[01:06] <occy> Riddell, well, I'm listed on the People page
[01:06] <occy> hehe
[01:07] <Tm_T> occy: sorry, can't tell ;)
[01:07] <occy> Riddell, I've been a part of all the discussions from it's inception a long while ago.
[01:07] <Tm_T> anyway, time to kill some pain ->
[01:07] <occy> I think I'm more there to advise and such atm.
[01:08] <Riddell> occy: is anything else planned besides an icon theme?
[01:08] <occy> Riddell, I think there are talks, afaik, to do some other integration.
[01:08] <occy> but I'm not 100% sure
[01:08] <occy> and don't want to give out false info
[01:09] <occy> not sure how much our old goals and what we are doing now are inline with each other.
[01:09] <occy> My hopes were, that tango could bring both kde and gnome together
[01:09] <occy> provide a common surface for different toolkits
[01:09] <occy> in the end, you shouldn't be able to tell if you are using kde or gtk
[01:10] <occy> just a Clean, well laid out Linux desktop
[01:10] <occy> that, at least, is my understanding of the project.
[01:10] <occy> tbh, arguing about toolkits is silly
[01:10] <Riddell> has there been any attempt to involve more than 1 KDE developer?
[01:10] <occy> Riddell, yes, I think so.
[01:10] <occy> I know it's something I've asked about.
[01:11] <occy> as, I think there are a LOT of smart things going on in the kde world
[01:11] <occy> things that the gnome world has neglected.
[01:11] <occy> course, the reverse is true for kde to gnome
[01:11] <occy> there are some things gnome gets right that kde fails at.
[01:12] <occy> I should start the    kome desktop.
[01:12] <occy> I'm kidding
[01:12] <occy> :)
[01:12] <occy> seriously though, one things I think that is superior in KDE is the themes.
[01:13] <occy> the way colors are allowed to be choosen.
[01:13] <occy> gtk and gnome and metacity has thrown this idea and concept out the window.  It used to be there with sawfish.
[01:13] <occy> to some extent.
[01:13] <Tm_T> uff, back
[01:14] <occy> the core kpanel widgets in kde have issues IMHO.  things like the clock, virtual desktop pager etc...   they all have serious padding/ui issues
[01:14] <Sgep> When will breezy be released?
[01:14] <crimsun> sometime on the 13th Oct 2005
[01:14] <Tm_T> occy: hmm?
[01:14] <Sgep> (As in, what time Oct. 13, and what timezone)
[01:14] <crimsun> when precisely is $unknown
[01:14] <Riddell> Sgep: as soon as I find someone to test this amd64 dvd
[01:14] <occy> Riddell, hehe
[01:15] <Tm_T> occy: don't laugh, test it
[01:15] <occy> man, there are so many good people in the Open Source world.
[01:15] <Sgep> s/u/i/
[01:15] <occy> Tm_T, heh, don't have spare dvds
[01:16] <Sgep> Is this a joke?
[01:16] <Riddell> occy: do you know what the status of standard icon names is?
[01:16] <occy> Riddell, not really... #tango perhaps?
[01:17] <occy> I've been super busy as of late.  I didn't even know we took the project public until recently.
[01:17] <occy> heh
[01:17] <Riddell> occy: it's been kept super secret surprisingly long
[01:17] <occy> Riddell, nod...
[01:18] <occy> kinda odd, but... my lips were sealed. :)
[01:18] <occy> I think the idea was to try and bring on as much support as possible behind the scenes.
[01:18] <occy> not quite sure.
[01:19] <Riddell> didn't do a very good job of brining support from kde...
[01:19] <occy> I guess I should make screenshots of the issues I have with kde.
[01:19] <occy> Riddell, :(
[01:19] <kkathman> evening all :)
[01:19] <Riddell> occy: screenshots are always fun, but the panel and stuff will all be replaced for kde 4
[01:20] <occy> Riddell, yeah?
[01:20] <occy>  s/screenshots/mockups/
[01:20] <occy> Riddell, any mockups yet?
[01:20] <Riddell> plasma
[01:20] <occy> Riddell, url?
[01:20] <Riddell> no mockups yet
[01:20] <occy> ahh
[01:20] <Riddell> gg:kde plasma
[01:20] <Riddell> plasma.kde.org, genius
[01:22] <occy> http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Colors  <-- wow...  (nsfw)
[01:22] <occy> looks like the wiki was pwn3d
[01:23] <occy> Riddell, you know who runs that?
[01:23] <occy> Riddell, you should let them know.
[01:23] <Riddell> hmm, that happens, I'll try and poke an admin
[01:23] <occy> Riddell, nod
[01:23] <occy> Riddell, k, I was like, wow, this doesn't look like a color palette
[01:23] <occy> :)
[01:24] <Riddell> occy: ah well, it was a crappy colour palette anyway :)
[01:24] <occy> hehe
[01:24] <Riddell> Oxygen, the KDE 4 icon theme, has a better one (two actually)
[01:24] <occy> yeah, there are several projects starting up that sound like they all should mesh together.
[01:24] <occy> I know that's heresy
[01:25] <Riddell> like which?
[01:25] <occy> well, what's that other kde project?
[01:25] <occy> not plasma....
[01:25] <occy> hmm
[01:25] <occy> can't remember the name.
[01:25] <Riddell> appeal
[01:25] <occy> yah
[01:25] <occy> appeal
[01:25] <Riddell> oxygen is part of appeal
[01:26] <occy> maybe get all the smart people from tango, appeal, plasma, etc together 
[01:26] <Riddell> plasma is also part of appeal 
[01:26] <Riddell> it's just these gnome types who are on their own :)
[01:26] <occy> hehe
[01:26] <occy> And I don't know why I came here tonight... 
[01:26] <occy> I got this feeling that something ain't right
[01:27] <occy> I'm so scared in case I'll fall of my chair
[01:27] <occy> and I'm wonderin' how I'll get down the stairs
[01:27] <occy> clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am, stuck in the middle with you
[01:27] <occy> :)
[01:28] <occy> Riddell, ever see Resevoir Dogs?
[01:28] <occy> heh
[01:28] <occy> still, some cool stuff coming up in the community.
[01:29] <occy> we all win
[01:29] <Tm_T> :'(
[01:29] <Riddell> Tm_T: ?
[01:29] <Tm_T> my back is hurting much
[01:29] <Tm_T> still
[01:29] <occy> Tm_T, :(
[01:29] <kkathman> hey Tm_T o/
[01:29] <occy> Tm_T, do you exercise?
[01:29] <Tm_T> occy: yes
[01:29] <occy> Tm_T, I used to be about 60+ lbs overweight...
[01:30] <occy> dropped that and my back no longer hurts
[01:30] <occy> I used to have cronic back pain
[01:30] <Tm_T> occy: well, I'm underweight
[01:30] <occy> Tm_T, wow
[01:30] <occy> :/
[01:30] <Tm_T> prolly misformed spine
[01:30] <occy> Tm_T, have you had an adjustment by chiro?
[01:30] <Tm_T> so having nice pain time to time
[01:31] <occy> You'd be surprised what a good alignment will do for you.
[01:31] <Tm_T> occy: well, last time I wen't see doctor (monday) they didn't even checked me, just gave drugs
[01:31] <occy> Tm_T, that is pathetic
[01:31] <occy> :(
[01:31] <Tm_T> I do have excercise instructions
[01:31] <Tm_T> and I do
[01:31] <occy> modern medicine
[01:31] <occy> *sigh*
[01:32] <Tm_T> yup
[01:32] <Tm_T> hi kkathman 
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[01:32] <occy> Tm_T, hope you feel better bud.
[01:33] <occy> gotta check on some stuff
[01:33] <Tm_T> occy: thanks, I will fight ;)
[01:40] <Riddell> any genius artists about?
[01:44] <occy> heh
[01:44] <occy> well, I ain't no artist
[01:44] <occy> but whatcha need?
[01:44] <Tm_T> ?
[01:44] <occy> I'm a WhiteSpace Master.
[01:44] <occy> :)
[01:45] <Riddell> actually Tm_T will know
[01:45] <Tm_T> hmh, why media:/ doesn't show my hd:s
[01:45] <Riddell> Tm_T: known issue
[01:45] <Tm_T> Riddell: ok, what's it?
[01:45] <Tm_T> ah ok
[01:45] <Riddell> Tm_T: how do I get the blurred outline on the kubuntu gurl?
[01:46] <Tm_T> hmm, you need blurred outline? hmm, you can't just add dropshadow?
[01:46] <occy> Riddell, feature
[01:46] <occy> err
[01:47] <occy> feather
[01:47] <occy> man I can't spell
[01:47] <Tm_T> occy: :p
[01:47] <Riddell> Tm_T: dunno, what was the effect you added?
[01:47] <Tm_T> Riddell: drop shadow x2 :p
[01:47] <Tm_T> it's good way to blur edges
[01:48] <Riddell> Tm_T: where do I find that?
[01:48] <Tm_T> Riddell: in gimp? 
[01:48] <Riddell> yes
[01:48] <Tm_T> script-fu -> shadow ->
[01:50] <Tm_T> this is very good day :)
[01:50] <Riddell> Tm_T: ah hah, I was looking in filters
[01:50] <Riddell> Tm_T: why's it good?
[01:51] <Tm_T> Riddell: it adds stuff to edges without touching original pic
[01:51] <Tm_T> etc
[01:51] <Tm_T> and gives a touch of 3d
[01:51] <Tm_T> :)
[01:52] <Tm_T> Riddell: ah, you mean day? today drugs seem to work
[01:52] <Tm_T> not much pain
[01:52] <Tm_T> :)
[01:52] <Tm_T> damn, I almost feel good!
[01:58] <strike4ce> can you use netscape withkubunta?
[02:00] <MEtaLpREs> i can i move files aorund using a gui as root?
[02:01] <MEtaLpREs> err how can i?
[02:01] <regeya> netscape?
[02:01] <strike4ce> What version of Linux is kubunta?  linux 2.2?
[02:01] <Tm_T> MEtaLpREs: sudo konqueror ?
[02:01] <regeya> oh dear.
[02:01] <MEtaLpREs> yea
[02:01] <Tm_T> regeya: I'm not your dear
[02:01] <regeya> mauve has the most ram, strike4ce 
[02:02] <strike4ce> I need netscape for linux.  Is that possible?
[02:02] <strike4ce> I need netscape for a very specific reason
[02:03] <hydrogen> well, it is but full of security holes
[02:03] <strike4ce> How does ark open a exe file?
[02:03] <hydrogen> and more out of date than most poop
[02:03] <Tm_T> strike4ce: http://browser.netscape.com/ns8/download/default.jsp
[02:04] <Tm_T> as you can see, it requires Windows XP, Windows 2000, Windows 98 SE, ME
[02:04] <hydrogen> Tm_T: netscape 7 ran on linux
[02:04] <strike4ce> No shit.  LOL but there is a version out there for linux
[02:04] <hydrogen> strike4ce: and it has more security holes than internet explorer
[02:04] <Tm_T> hydrogen: yeah, too old
[02:04] <hydrogen> and is more out of date than linux 2.2
[02:05] <hydrogen> which btw "kubunta" is not based on
[02:05] <Tm_T> =)
[02:05] <Tm_T> hydrogen: we are using older then?
[02:05] <strike4ce> yes but will it work
[02:05] <hydrogen> no
[02:05] <strike4ce> ok so will netscape work on kubunta?
[02:06] <hydrogen> I don't know about you Tm_T, but I'm using linux 1.4
[02:06] <hydrogen> I just told you, no
[02:06] <hydrogen> and its kubuntu
[02:06] <strike4ce> bullshit
[02:06] <troth> im on a Kubuntu live cd right now and it wont mount my drives (hda1, hdb1, etc.) anyone know why?
[02:06] <strike4ce> you have to arouse it troth
[02:06] <strike4ce> foreplay
[02:06] <troth> lol nice
[02:07] <strike4ce> lol
[02:07] <hydrogen> ..
[02:07] <Tm_T> :(
[02:07] <hydrogen> troth: what filesystem?
[02:07] <troth> what do you mean, sorry
[02:08] <hydrogen> what filesystem is hda1 and hdb1 and the like?
[02:08] <hydrogen> are they ext3? ext2? ntfs? jfs? xfs? ricer4? ricer3.6?
[02:08] <troth> hda1 contains my windows2000 files and such, my hdb1 contains just movies, music and stuff
[02:09] <Tm_T> sounds like ntfs to me
[02:10] <troth> i believe so
[02:12] <troth> see what i want to do is, have a dual boot for win2000on one drive and ubuntu on the other and eventually phase out windows, but ive never done it before so i want to try to make it as smooth as possible, i dont know how difficult this will be
[02:13] <Tm_T> hydrogen: you take this patient?
[02:13] <hydrogen> umm
[02:13] <Tm_T> time to relax, maybe ease my headache ->
[02:14] <hydrogen> on livecd
[02:14] <troth> ahh i see
[02:14] <hydrogen> even if it did
[02:14] <hydrogen> it would be read only
[02:14] <hydrogen> writing to it is not gonna happen
[02:15] <troth> well this is actually the dvd, so it has the live cd and the install version
[02:16] <troth> so i wanna install, just a little unsure
[02:16] <troth> i dunno what to expect
[02:18] <troth> or do you suggest i get the ubuntu installer and then add the kde features?
[02:18] <hydrogen> no need to do that
[02:18] <troth> ok
[02:19] <troth> how complicated would this install be on my movies,music, hard drive? its a maxtor 250g 16mb cache ata
[02:27] <LaserLine> Hello all, If I Install Ubuntu CD and add the Kubuntu-Desktop package, all my application menu in GNOME is filled with KDE apps, if I create a sub menu 'Kubuntu' and put all the KDE apps in there, will it affect the KDE desktop Launch Menu ?
[02:28] <strike4ce> What would I use to open a exe file?
[02:29] <Riddell> LaserLine: no
[02:29] <Riddell> strike4ce: Windows
[02:31] <LaserLine> Where are all the .desktop files in KDE ?
[02:32] <Riddell> same please as in gnome
[02:32] <LaserLine> Where?
[02:32] <Riddell>  /usr/share/applications/kde
[02:32] <LaserLine> not in the home directory?
[02:32] <Riddell> depends on what sort of .desktop file you're after
[02:33] <LaserLine> The menu file ?
[02:33] <LaserLine> the "K" menu
[02:37] <Riddell> those are in /usr/share/applications/kde and ~/.config
[02:37] <LaserLine> Ok.. Well, when I'll be infront of my Linux box, It'll be easier :)
[02:44] <Tm_T> no more jake2 for me
[02:44] <Tm_T> atleast not at night
[02:49] <regeya> Tm_T: ?
[02:50] <Tm_T> regeya: java quake2... was bit scary to me
[02:51] <Tm_T> I'm too old for fps games
[02:52] <regeya> JAVA quake2?
[02:53] <regeya> oog.
[02:54] <Sgep> Has breezy been released yet?
[02:55] <regeya> is it Friday yet?
[02:55] <satafterh> yes
[02:55] <cddesjar> ubotu sucks...dpkg is way cooler
[02:55] <ubotu> okay, cddesjar
[02:55] <Tm_T> regeya: really good to be java
[02:56] <satafterh> what is ubotu
[02:56] <Tm_T> ubotu: what you are
[02:56] <ubotu> Tm_T: What?
[02:56] <Tm_T> ubotu: are you bot?
[02:56] <ubotu> Tm_T: I don't know
[02:56] <Tm_T> you don't know?
[02:56] <regeya> ujbotu, no, cddesjar is a git.
[02:56] <Tm_T> ubotu: you should
[02:56] <ubotu> Tm_T: Do they come in packets of five?
[02:56] <Tm_T> ubotu: no, three
[02:56] <ubotu> Tm_T: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[02:57] <regeya> ubotu, no, cddesjar is a git.
[02:57] <ubotu> regeya: okay
[02:57] <Tm_T> ubotu: you're smaller
[02:57] <ubotu> I don't know, Tm_T
[02:57] <Tm_T> I know
[02:57] <regeya> ROFFLECOPTERS.
[02:57] <Tm_T> regeya: ok
[02:57] <regeya> !cddesjar
[02:57] <ubotu> somebody said cddesjar was a git.
[02:58] <cddesjar> !regeya
[02:58] <ubotu> cddesjar: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[02:58] <regeya> ruh-roh
[02:58] <regeya> ubotu, no, regeya > *
[02:58] <ubotu> regeya: Bugger all, i dunno
[02:58] <cddesjar> !ubotu
[02:58] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on this channel! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my databanks on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:58] <regeya> ubotu, no, regeya is > *
[02:58] <ubotu> regeya: okay
[02:59] <regeya> !regeya
[02:59] <ubotu> somebody said regeya was > *
[02:59] <tecknozic> hi
[03:00] <tecknozic> how to install yakuake on kubuntu 5.10 ?
[03:00] <regeya> damn right, ubotu
[03:00] <cddesjar> hi
[03:00] <jsubl2> what is the draw to yakuake
[03:00] <cddesjar> what in the hell is  > * suppose to be?
[03:00] <tecknozic> when I start the install I have got an error message :
[03:00] <regeya> no joke
[03:00] <cddesjar> apt-get install yakuake
[03:01] <cddesjar> apt-cache search yakuake
[03:01] <tecknozic> kdelibs4 is not installed
[03:01] <regeya> whoo you can do something vaguely like the quake console WHOOO!
[03:01] <regeya> erm.
[03:01] <tecknozic> but I have kdelibs4c2 installed... weird
[03:01] <cddesjar> how did you install it?  via alien?
[03:02] <tecknozic> any idea ?
[03:02] <tecknozic> no via konsole dkpg
[03:02] <cddesjar> where did you find the .deb file?
[03:02] <tecknozic> here : http://users.pandora.be/nothing/linux/kubuntu/deb/yakuake_2.6-kubuntu-01_i386.deb
[03:02] <cddesjar> i had this happened when i converted a RPM file to a deb file using alien in debian and then I switched to kubuntu and tried to use the same deb file 
[03:03] <cddesjar> and it gave me that error
[03:03] <cddesjar> do you have kdelibs4-dev?
[03:03] <tecknozic> checking...
[03:03] <tecknozic> no
[03:03] <cddesjar> hmm...that might or might not be it ;)
[03:04] <tecknozic> how can I get it ?
[03:04] <cddesjar> apt-get install kdelibs4-deb
[03:04] <cddesjar> or use synaptic
[03:04] <cddesjar> or aptitude
[03:04] <cddesjar> or adept
[03:04] <cddesjar> etc, etc, etc
[03:04] <tecknozic> I don't have it in synaptic...
[03:04] <cddesjar> opps i ment kdelibs4-dev
[03:05] <tecknozic> maybe one source is missing in my sourcres.list
[03:05] <cddesjar> hmm
[03:05] <cddesjar> probably
[03:05] <cddesjar> !sources
[03:05] <ubotu> well, sources is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[03:05] <tecknozic> what can I add in sources.list to get it ?
[03:06] <cddesjar> follow the url above!
[03:06] <tecknozic> ok thks
[03:14] <Hobbsee> morning all
[03:14] <smux> hmmm, kaffeine use gstreamer, but can i use xine ?
[03:16] <Riddell> smux: yes, if you install kaffeine-xine
[03:17] <smux> it's installed
[03:17] <cddesjar> switch engines then
[03:18] <smux> how ?
[03:18] <cddesjar> settings -> player engines -> kaffeine
[03:18] <cddesjar> not kaffeine gstreamer
[03:18] <cddesjar> (i personally think gstreamer sucks the big one)
[03:21] <`Nomad> isn't gstreamer just a list of different music servers?
[03:21] <`Nomad> I'm not too edjucated in teh ways of the audio things  :)
[03:22] <Sgep> brb
[03:22] <tecknozic> ok, I installed kdelibs4-dev, but still my pb
[03:23] <Drakeson> is it ready? (breezy) I mean is the 12Oct dvd the final one?
[03:24] <cddesjar> i think you have a bunch deb file
[03:24] <cddesjar> try to find it elsewhere on the net
[03:25] <tecknozic> I will figure it out later, thks guys, see u
[03:26] <Spudchat> does anyone else have trouble with video playback in breezy?
[03:27] <`Nomad> which type of video, all?
[03:27] <Spudchat> yes
[03:27] <Spudchat> i get good sound but no picture
[03:28] <cddesjar> what engine?
[03:28] <cddesjar> what program?
[03:29] <Spudchat> kaffeine noatun and vlc
[03:29] <Spudchat> all have no picture
[03:29] <crimsun> did you install kaffeine-xine?
[03:29] <Spudchat> is it possible i lost the codecs in the upgrade?
[03:30] <jsubl2> kaffeine-xine sux... sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer..  then make sure you have the codecs.. or download them from mplayers web site and put them in /usr/lib/win32
[03:30] <jsubl2> just my ho
[03:31] <cddesjar> mozilla-mplayer...i always have problems with it and watching real video
[03:32] <jsubl2> wouldn't know.. don't really do any real video with mplayer
[03:32] <cddesjar> that's the only video i watch....www.democracynow.org
[03:33] <`Nomad> I get a lot of problems with Firefox.. I always have to remove the lock manually, it keeps starting wanting a new profile.. Very frustrating
[03:33] <jsubl2> i like cnn videos and mplayer does a great job on those
[03:33] <Spudchat> allright i tried kaffeine-xine and it still had no picture
[03:34] <Spudchat> and it appears i have a bunch of codecs in a folder called all in usr/lib/win32
[03:34] <jsubl2> so try my solution
[03:34] <jsubl2> if you have broadband it only takes a couple of minutes to install
[03:35] <Spudchat> and now they should open?
[03:35] <Spudchat> or do i need to change some settings somewhere?
[03:35] <jsubl2> i really would like to know the secret to getting kaffeine to perform as well as mplayer.. kaffeine as a loyal followoing
[03:35] <Spudchat> it worked fine for me in hoary
[03:35] <jsubl2> no just mplayer filename
[03:35] <cddesjar> i like mplayer too
[03:36] <cddesjar> but kaffeien works fine as well
[03:36] <jsubl2> just depends on how you will use it i guess
[03:36] <Spudchat> omg!!! it works!
[03:36] <Spudchat> thanks
[03:36] <jsubl2> which
[03:36] <Spudchat> mplayer
[03:37] <jsubl2> depends on the kinda videos i am sure
[03:37] <Spudchat> all .aiv's in divx or xvid
[03:37] <jsubl2> it should work with mozilla too.. but you might have  to get rid of the libtotem stuff manually
[03:37] <jsubl2> cd /usr/lib;  find . -name libtotem\*
[03:38] <jsubl2> move them to a save place
[03:38] <jsubl2> save/safe rather
[03:38] <jsubl2> if you want embedded in konq kmplayer does a nice job.. but you have to compile it
[03:47] <Drakeson> how can I get help?!! actually I need a way to view /usr/share/doc/*  does khelpcenter do this?
[03:48] <frank23> Drakeson: I don't know but konqueror can view man and info pages
[03:52] <fatejudger> is the final version of Breezy getting released at midnight?
[03:55] <MachineScrew> any one here of yakuake
[03:55] <MachineScrew> it's a cool terminal for kde
[03:56] <MachineScrew> hit F12 and it pops up
[03:57] <MachineScrew> any one here
[03:58] <fatejudger> yeah
[03:58] <fatejudger> I just waiting for someone to tell me if they're going to release Breezy at midnight or not
[03:58] <fatejudger> I want to torrent it before I go to bed
[03:58] <MachineScrew> oh ya I wana do an update
[03:59] <MachineScrew> I have the prerelease 
[03:59] <MachineScrew> so it's just a apt-get update away
[04:00] <frank23> MachineScrew: an update right now will give you practically the exact same thing as after the release
[04:00] <MachineScrew> well ya
[04:00] <MachineScrew> any one here of yakuake
[04:01] <MachineScrew> is kubuntu breezy parilell to Ubuntu breezy ?
[04:02] <MachineScrew> in releasse and devel
[04:02] <fatejudger> it's the same thing
[04:02] <jsubl2> yep just kde versus gnome
[04:02] <fatejudger> but KDE is much better
[04:02] <jsubl2> that is why i grab kubuntu
[04:03] <MachineScrew> well tux mag seems to think so
[04:03] <jsubl2> really url??
[04:03] <MachineScrew> yet some things are not as polished in kubuntu yet
[04:04] <MachineScrew> www.tuxmagazine.com
[04:04] <MachineScrew> its a free PDF mag
[04:04] <frank23> MachineScrew: like what?
[04:04] <MachineScrew> Adept could use a systray notification
[04:05] <MachineScrew> ubuntu an kubuntu rely on powernowd
[04:05] <MachineScrew> instead of a more universial cpu throtaling deamon like cpufreq
[04:06] <MachineScrew> ktorrent could be installed by default
[04:06] <MachineScrew> usb devices to work again
[04:06] <frank23> MachineScrew: powernowd works with any processor
[04:07] <MachineScrew> all my usb keys and usb drives don't work under ubuntu
[04:07] <MachineScrew> powernowd works with a P4 ?
[04:07] <MachineScrew> or celerory
[04:07] <frank23> MachineScrew: I agree about systray notification for updates
[04:07] <raingrove> where is our breezy
[04:07] <raingrove> oh MachineScrew is still here
[04:07] <raingrove> my god
[04:08] <MachineScrew> ya
[04:08] <qatsi> ok, i have a question. 2 hours ago i made a apt-get dist update and i hve my system updated...tomorrow, when ubuntu 5.10 is released, will i be downloading everything again ??? or just the missing parts which were not updated today ?
[04:09] <frank23> qatsi: there will be very few changes left
[04:09] <MachineScrew> just the missing parts
[04:09] <qatsi> ahhh ok, thanx a lot, good news for me :p
[04:09] <`Nomad> Arghh.. Is k3b broken?  It asks that I insert a Dual-layer DVD to burn 4.3 gigs.. :(
[04:09] <MachineScrew> or some minor updates
[04:10] <`Nomad> in 5.10
[04:10] <qatsi> frank23 and MachineWscrew and will my bugs be fixed ????
[04:10] <Ravensky> err...umm...
[04:10] <MachineScrew> don't know
[04:10] <MachineScrew> wait and see 
[04:10] <MachineScrew> lol
[04:10] <frank23> qatsi: what do you mean?   the released version will be identical to what it is now
[04:10] <Ravensky> is there a package that includes the standard Windows fonts? (TNR, Verdana, Arial, etc)
[04:10] <MachineScrew> I have bugs to
[04:11] <MachineScrew> yes mscorettfonts or somthing like that
[04:11] <qatsi> frank23 uhmm, hope not....brezzy preview makes strange stuff, like.....i cant log in to kubuntu cuz i cant write, only squares, missing fonts i suppose, or something like that......
[04:11] <qatsi> MachineScrew i think im having the same issues as you do :p
[04:12] <Ravensky> MachineScrew, which repo would that be in?
[04:12] <frank23> qatsi: that is strange... 
[04:12] <MachineScrew> Ravensky: it would be in the backports
[04:12] <qatsi> frank23 yep, spent 4 hours with a guru trying to fix the problem :P no luck
[04:12] <Ravensky> well, I have backports enabled and nothing is showing up that I see could be those fonts
[04:13] <raingrove> ravensky hold on
[04:13] <MachineScrew> one sec while i find the exact name
[04:13] <`Nomad> backports are not available yet right?  Only tomorrow?
[04:13] <raingrove> Ravensky, are you able to download from me via DCC?
[04:13] <Ravensky> doesnt look like it :|
[04:14] <MachineScrew> Ravensky: msttcorefonts
[04:14] <frank23> Ravensky: there are no backports yet for breezy
[04:14] <MachineScrew> yes there is 
[04:14] <MachineScrew> horay-staging
[04:14] <`Nomad> msttcorefonts
[04:14] <MachineScrew> horay-backports-staging
[04:15] <MachineScrew> horay-extras-staging
[04:15] <frank23> MachineScrew: oh... I never used that one
[04:16] <raingrove> Ravensky, you can just download msttcorefonts with apt-get or adept straight away
[04:16] <Ravensky> raingrove, I dont see that package in Adept though
[04:16] <raingrove> i see it though
[04:16] <raingrove> Ravensky,  let me give u my sources.list
[04:16] <Ravensky> k
[04:17] <Ravensky> one of the easiest and one of the hardest distros on both systems :P
[04:18] <Ravensky> raingrove, no DCC, remember? ;)
[04:19] <raingrove> got it?
[04:19] <steph> will kubuntu work on breezy?
[04:19] <raingrove> there's already breezy RC for kubuntu
[04:20] <steph> so if im on breezy and i do a apt-get kubuntu-desktop it will download and work?
[04:20] <frank23> steph: yes
[04:20] <steph> sweet
[04:20] <steph> thank you
[04:20] <frank23> steph: you will get the choice of kde and gnome when you login
[04:20] <steph> ok
[04:21] <steph> is there an enlightenment package on apt?
[04:21] <frank23> yeah, i just checked
[04:21] <frank23> never tried it though
[04:21] <steph> i would check but im running update hehe
[04:21] <raingrove> steph/yes
[04:23] <Ravensky> thanks raingrove :D
[04:23] <raingrove> Ravensky, did it work
[04:24] <Ravensky> ya, it's there now
[04:24] <raingrove> :)
[04:25] <raingrove> i hate kubuntu logo
[04:25] <_machine> ok sory about that
[04:25] <raingrove> is that a bot
[04:25] <raingrove> i hate kubuntu's logo
[04:26] <_machine> any one say any thing about the hoay-backports-staging
[04:26] <_machine> i think they are to be in breezy backports
[04:27] <Ravensky> i hate kubuntu's logo
[04:27] <Ravensky> heh
[04:27] <Ravensky> no?
[04:27] <raingrove> i hate kubuntu logo
[04:27] <_machine> Ravensky: ok
[04:28] <_machine> well the blue theme is better than that brown theme
[04:28] <raingrove> i changed mine to brown though
[04:28] <_machine> Ubuntu looks like it took a dump
[04:28] <raingrove> wamer look
[04:28] <raingrove> warmer look
[04:28] <raingrove> brown theme
[04:28] <raingrove> brown
[04:28] <_machine> Well i like the cold look
[04:28] <_machine> blue
[04:28] <_machine> lol
[04:28] <raingrove> _machine, are you human?
[04:29] <_machine> what ever happened to the themers that did enlightenment
[04:29] <_machine> they looked better
[04:29] <_machine> yes I am human
[04:29] <raingrove> _machine, are you a bot?
[04:29] <_machine> no I am not a bot
[04:29] <raingrove> _machine, what is square root of 16
[04:29] <_machine> somtimes I wish I was a cyborg
[04:29] <_machine> I don't do math
[04:30] <_machine> lol
[04:30] <raingrove> _machine, 30 plus 30 equals?
[04:30] <_machine> 60 ?
[04:30] <raingrove> ok
[04:30] <raingrove> u are human
[04:30] <raingrove> or a very clever bot
[04:30] <_machine> ask me a linux question
[04:30] <os2mac> what is the epoc?
[04:31] <_machine> like the first kernel i uses
[04:31] <Ravensky> epoch you mean?
[04:31] <os2mac> thank you.
[04:31] <_machine> A bad sci fi move
[04:31] <_machine> movie
[04:31] <_machine> opps
[04:31] <_machine> i spell bad to
[04:31] <raingrove> _machine / why did they discontinue ubuntu_calendar
[04:31] <Ravensky> so is "oops" spelled "opps" these days? I tend to see a lot of people spelling it that way'
[04:31] <_machine> raingrove: fuck if i know
[04:31] <steph> this is a kinda off topic question... what are the good linux c++ programming enviroments?
[04:32] <raingrove> steph, KDevelop uses C++??
[04:32] <Riddell> steph: emacs21 and kdevelop
[04:32] <_machine> steph: vi some people would say
[04:32] <Ravensky> ya, kdeveplop seems pretty good
[04:32] <os2mac> Rav: I think it's akin to cow-orkers
[04:32] <steph> i dont know =(
[04:32] <_machine> steph: emacs others
[04:32] <steph> i will have to get kdevelop then
[04:32] <Riddell> raingrove: ran out of artwork
[04:32] <raingrove> Riddell, or is it because of Porn distro claims by trolls?
[04:33] <steph> i looked and looked for one, and i found one i liked, but i couldnt install it on mandrake and now i dont remember which one it was
[04:33] <raingrove> i personally loved them though
[04:33] <steph> =/
[04:33] <os2mac> _machine you don't know what the epoch is?
[04:33] <_machine> i started using linux with the plug and play linus
[04:33] <Riddell> raingrove: no, that was stopped after warty
[04:33] <_machine> os2mac: not shure
[04:33] <_machine> os2mac: its in refrence to a number i think
[04:34] <_machine> os2mac: but it is a bad sci fi movie
[04:34] <os2mac> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_epoch
[04:34] <Ravensky> it's January 1st 1970, isnt it?...or is it Dec 31, 1969?
[04:34] <Riddell> Ravensky: both
[04:35] <os2mac> I believe unless your talking the Posix Epoch it varies from os to os 
[04:35] <_machine> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0233657/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnx0dD0xfGZiPXV8cG49MHxrdz0xfHE9RXBvY2h8ZnQ9MXxteD0yMHxsbT01MDB8Y289MXxodG1sPTF8bm09MQ__;fc=1;ft=21;fm=1
[04:35] <_machine> oops
[04:36] <_machine> I hate long urls
[04:36] <freeflying> how can i play mp3 file with amarok
[04:36] <Ravensky> got stat 60 on my mind, chi square values all the time, in my notes and in my rhymes, easy quarter, not this time!
[04:36] <Ravensky> install amarok-mp3?
[04:36] <Ravensky> I think so anyway
[04:36] <Ravensky> I dont know
[04:36] <Sgep> Why doesn't the K Menu follow Debian's menu?
[04:37] <freeflying> now i'm useing gstreamer as the engine
[04:37] <Ravensky> run kappfinder
[04:37] <_machine> os2mac: http://tinyurl.com/9tyxn
[04:37] <freeflying> and also i install gst-plugins
[04:38] <_machine> freeflying: apt-get install gstreamer-plugins gstreamer-plugins multiverse
[04:38] <freeflying> but the speed is not correct
[04:38] <freeflying> it's sound more quick than nomal
[04:39] <raingrove> bblk
[04:39] <os2mac> :)
[04:39] <freeflying> how can i do about this 
[04:41] <_machine> os2mac: tpm is already in the kernel
[04:41] <_machine> os2mac: so i directly yes they will
[04:41] <os2mac> ok forgive me... I am a solaris geek by trade....
[04:42] <os2mac> what is tpm?
[04:42] <_machine> os2mac: ment indrectly
[04:42] <_machine> os2mac: Trusted Computing Module
[04:42] <qatsi> uhmm, im breaking my head !!....i cant run ndiswrapper comand :S and ive cheked, its installed, any idea ?
[04:42] <os2mac> so support for rbac and a trusted path?
[04:43] <os2mac> did you do modprobe ndiswrapper?
[04:43] <os2mac> qatsi?
[04:43] <qatsi> os2mac nope, let me do it :)
[04:43] <_machine> os2mac: more like a chip inside your computer that enfoces DRM
[04:43] <os2mac> hrmmm.
[04:44] <qatsi> os2mac it says operation not permitted, im super user, so i dont know whats up
[04:44] <_machine> os2mac: https://www.trustedcomputinggroup.org/home
[04:44] <_machine> qatsi: you still have to do sudo
[04:45] <qatsi> ok, let me try it
[04:45] <os2mac> can you do ndiswrapper -l?
[04:45] <_machine> qatsi: for some odd reson
[04:46] <os2mac> -machine if I am root I do not have to do sudo
[04:46] <os2mac> but then I set the passwd on  my machine.
[04:46] <os2mac> sudo is annoying to me.
[04:46] <_machine> os2mac: yet somtimes I have to do it
[04:46] <qatsi> _machine nope, dosnt work either....and os2mac ndiswrapper -l says...no drivers installed
[04:47] <_machine> qatsi: ok what is the driver
[04:47] <os2mac> then you didn't install the driver correctly
[04:47] <_machine> os2mac: TPM FAQ https://www.trustedcomputinggroup.org/groups/tpm/TPM_FAQ_2005.pdf
[04:47] <qatsi> no no no, i CANT run ndiswrapper comand :p....
[04:47] <os2mac> are you on the live CD?
[04:47] <_machine> qatsi: why ?
[04:48] <qatsi> _machine, ok, dont know, first time i tried i couldnt :p now i can, let me install the driver :p
[04:48] <_machine> ok
[04:48] <steph> kubunt-desktop and kdevelop3 are dowanloading now, eta 14 min
[04:48] <steph> =P
[04:49] <_machine> steph: make shure you get build-essentials
[04:49] <steph> ok, i figured that would be a dependancy in their somewhere
[04:49] <steph> the list of packages downloading is huge...
[04:49] <_machine> steph: also kdesdk and kdesdk-doc-html
[04:49] <steph> ok
[04:50] <os2mac> do we have an eta on 5.10 yet?
[04:50] <_machine> steph: ya that for an odd reson isn't
[04:50] <qatsi> ok, back again, i have bcmwl5 and it says invalid driver....should i use bcmwl5a?
[04:50] <steph> oh
[04:50] <_machine> 1:10min
[04:50] <steph> ive been distro hopping lately
[04:50] <_machine> 1:10hr/min
[04:50] <steph> ive finally settled... on a multin install with ubuntu, slack, and whatever
[04:51] <_machine> qatsi: what is the card and version of that card you want to work
[04:51] <qatsi> _machine Broadcom Wireless
[04:52] <os2mac> qatsi are the .inf and .sys files in the same directory?
[04:52] <_machine> qatsi: more infor PCMCIA revison stuff like that are on the bottom of the card
[04:52] <qatsi> os2mac, ok, maybe thats the issue.............
[04:52] <qatsi> -machine not pcmcia, integrated
[04:52] <os2mac> what kind of machine are you on???
[04:53] <qatsi> os2mac Gateway Laptop
[04:53] <steph> _machine, do you know which packages to get to install all i need for python devolpment?
[04:53] <_machine> qatsi: ok that narows it down
[04:53] <os2mac> and you using their mini-pci wlan nic?
[04:54] <qatsi> _machine and os2mac wait, im trying with bcmwl5a :)
[04:54] <_machine> qatsi: would it be Gateway 7510GX
[04:54] <qatsi> _mahcine nope its gateway 520x
[04:55] <_machine> qatsi: is it possible to look at the chip ? 
[04:56] <os2mac> I suspect that he has multiple versions of bcmwl5 on his system.
[04:56] <_machine> steph: you in breezy ?
[04:56] <os2mac> my Dell does and I had to guess to see which one would work
[04:56] <_machine> os2mac: I was lucky
[04:56] <_machine> os2mac: mine didn't include one
[04:56] <steph> _machine, yeah
[04:57] <_machine> I can upgrade to 802.11n when it comes out
[04:57] <Abysmal> hey all.. i have a question.. I have kubuntu running behind a firewall, and I can't hit apache from outside.. but if i switch the the ip to point to my windows box i can hit the webserver on it.. is the something i have to config on kubuntu to get it to accept the traffic??
[04:57] <_machine> steph: open adept when the kdevelop is done
[04:57] <steph> _machine, ok
[04:58] <_machine> steph: then search for python
[04:58] <qatsi> _machine and os2mac ok, tried with bcmwl5a and now when i do ndiswrapper -l i get bcmwl5a driver present, hardware present :)
[04:58] <steph> ok
[04:58] <_machine> damn
[04:58] <steph> im really impressed with breezy
[04:58] <_machine> qatsi: i have ran into this problem before
[04:58] <steph> quite an update from hoary
[04:59] <_machine> steph: ya but there are some major flaws that need to be fixed
[04:59] <qatsi> _machine i never knew i had to put .sys and .inf in the same dir...:p and when bcmwl5 dosnt work, somebody told me to use bcmwl5a :p
[04:59] <steph> _machine, every distro has then
[05:00] <_machine> qatsi: you have to sudo apt-get remove ndiswrapper-utils
[05:00] <_machine> then delete the /etc/ndiswrapper dir
[05:00] <qatsi> _machine what for ?
[05:01] <_machine> then reinstall the ndiswrapper-utils
[05:01] <_machine> qatsi: ok let me see if i am fallowing
[05:01] <os2mac> _machine why would he have to do that...
[05:01] <os2mac> he got the driver to work...
[05:01] <_machine> os2mac: ok 
[05:01] <os2mac> now he needs to modprobe ndiswrapper
[05:02] <_machine> qatsi: i am out of it
[05:02] <os2mac> disable his eth0 and enable wlan0 and then do dhclient wlan0
[05:03] <os2mac> qatsi you need to do 4 more steps.
[05:03] <os2mac> 1. do 'modprobe ndiwrapper'
[05:03] <_machine> qatsi: i am just thinking that  kubuntu isn't going to get fixed
[05:04] <qatsi> os2mac done that :p
[05:04] <os2mac> 2. do 'ifconfig eth0 down
[05:04] <os2mac> 3. do 'ifconfig wlan0 up'
[05:04] <fatejudger> is Breezy going to be released at midnight tonight?
[05:05] <os2mac> do you have a passwd set on your wlan?
[05:05] <_machine> i am not shure
[05:05] <qatsi> os2mac ok, im going to jump stem 2 :p i dont want to have eth0 down....
[05:05] <qatsi> os2mac yep
[05:05] <DaSkreech> Who makes Adept?
[05:06] <os2mac> qatsi.. I don't think you will have a choice if your on a lap top....
[05:06] <_machine> kubuntu
[05:07] <_machine> DaSkreech: kubuntu people
[05:07] <os2mac> I don't think you will be able to have both connections running at the same time.
[05:07] <DaSkreech> _machine: Me?
[05:07] <qatsi> os3mac ok then :p
[05:07] <DaSkreech> _machine: Is there a .. page or site for it?
[05:07] <_machine> DaSkreech: ya one sec
[05:07] <os2mac> if you have passwd protection enabled you will need to configure the essid and passwd of the wlan. you do that by using iwconfig
[05:07] <os2mac> do a man on it and it will tell you the steps
[05:07] <qatsi> os2mac ok, i will
[05:08] <_machine> DaSkreech: http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html
[05:08] <os2mac> after you have the wlan settings configured in iwconfig you do 'dhclient wlan0' and that will request a dhcp address.
[05:09] <qatsi> ok, perfect :)
[05:09] <DaSkreech> _machine: Much obliged
[05:11] <qatsi> thanx a lot os2mac, i will take note of the steps :p
[05:12] <os2mac> are you registered on freenode?
[05:12] <qatsi> os2mac me ?
[05:12] <os2mac> yes
[05:13] <DaSkreech> hows the support for Via's chipsets?
[05:13] <Sgep> Bye all
[05:13] <DaSkreech> Sorry for Via Processors
[05:14] <frank23> are those x86?
[05:14] <qatsi> os2mac yep, im registered
[05:14] <os2mac> check your pvt messages....
[05:15] <DaSkreech> frank23: I think so :)
[05:16] <qatsi> os2mac ok, let me check, i was registered as filloy, but in kopete im qatsi, let me register
[05:16] <a_monkey> anyone know why when i installed the xfonts-artwiz package, the fonts don't show up as accessible fonts?
[05:16] <os2mac> qatsi are you running a live version or installed/
[05:16] <a_monkey> i restarted the X server, too
[05:17] <qatsi> os2mac installed one
[05:17] <N17R0> Hi whats the package name for "Kwikdisk"  ?
[05:17] <os2mac> ahh then you should  only have to do this once.,
[05:18] <N17R0> I cat find it in breezy > kwikdisk
[05:18] <os2mac> I run a live vesion so I have to run this everytime I boot up.
[05:18] <os2mac> that is why I have the script.
[05:18] <qatsi> os2mac ahhh ok then, not to configure everything everytime you boot up......
[05:18] <qatsi> os2mac but why do you run a live version ?
[05:19] <os2mac> because I was still evaluating the hardware compatibilty of my laptop to a linux distro.
[05:20] <os2mac> so far this is the most complete.
[05:20] <os2mac> and I prefer KDE to the Gnome desktop
[05:20] <os2mac> I don't like the two bars.
[05:21] <qatsi> os2mac, uhmm, ive tried gentoo and it works great with all my hardware, but installing is a pain in the neck....
[05:21] <os2mac> exactly my point....
[05:22] <os2mac> this is the most mature Linux distro that I have seen todate.
[05:22] <qatsi> os2mac yep, and it has such an easy to use distro mannagement :p
[05:22] <DaSkreech> N17R0: try http://packages.ubuntu.com
[05:23] <os2mac> I am quite happy with adept and synaptic
[05:23] <N17R0> ty mr. DaSkreech
[05:23] <DaSkreech> Kynaptic must Dieeeeeeeee
[05:23] <DaSkreech> qatsi: They have one
[05:23] <fatejudger> kynaptic is good
[05:23] <fatejudger> synaptic is better
[05:23] <DaSkreech> qatsi: As well as binary installs
[05:23] <qatsi> daskreech uhmm, beta versions....
[05:23] <os2mac> kynaptic sucks.
[05:23] <fatejudger> what??
[05:24] <DaSkreech> kynaptic was gag inducing :)
[05:24] <fatejudger> there are very few differences between synaptic and kynaptic
[05:24] <cddesjar> yeah kynaptic sucks
[05:24] <os2mac> synaptic is much better........
[05:24] <qatsi> os2mac synaptic rules, adept works better (as for the past 5 minutes)
[05:24] <fatejudger> kynaptic has realtime search, and synaptic doesn't
[05:24] <cddesjar> i don't like the way kynaptic looks
[05:24] <os2mac> the GUI alone was enough to kill you.
[05:24] <DaSkreech> fatejudger: Have you ever tried to change a repositary in it?
[05:24] <cddesjar> yup me too
[05:24] <fatejudger> DaSkreech: I don't change repos in a GUI
[05:24] <qatsi> adept is taking control i think :p
[05:24] <fatejudger> DaSkreech: nano is your friend
[05:24] <os2mac> nano?
[05:25] <hydrogen> agreed! why use a gui at all
[05:25] <frank23> !nano
[05:25] <ubotu> frank23: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[05:25] <DaSkreech> Emacs is my friend but lets not talk religion :)
[05:25] <fatejudger> nano, the command line text editor
[05:25] <cddesjar> i still like apt-get at the terminal the best
[05:25] <frank23> !info nano
[05:25] <ubotu> nano: (free Pico clone with some new features), section editors, is standard. Version: 1.3.8-2 (breezy), Packaged size: 232 kB, Installed size: 1268 kB
[05:25] <hydrogen> lets all go back to using 7000 baud terminals
[05:25] <qatsi> nano is great :p
[05:25] <hydrogen> Xorg is far too useful to be installed on everyones system
[05:25] <hydrogen> get rid of it I say
[05:25] <_machine> is there a way to purge kubuntu and install ubuntu
[05:25] <satafterh> i think they each have good point to them, one for search for soft ware one for just updating your system, i am new to teh linux game but thats that i have found so far
[05:25] <DaSkreech> _machine: Do you have adept?
[05:26] <_machine> DaSkreech: yes
[05:26] <fatejudger> _machine: just install ubuntu_desktop package
[05:26] <qatsi> _machine install every kubuntu file and then delete.....ubuntu ?
[05:26] <qatsi> ok, how do i install limewire ?
[05:26] <fatejudger> qatsi: you don't
[05:26] <DaSkreech> _machine: You should be able to get rid of kubuntu-desktop and install ubunutu-desktop
[05:26] <fatejudger> qatsi: limewire sucks
[05:26] <fatejudger> why would anyone want to install Gnome?
[05:27] <qatsi> fatejudger....ahhh, darn, ok, then what do you recomend......(though i like limewire too much...)
[05:27] <DaSkreech> Productivity?
[05:27] <fatejudger> qatsi: Bit Torrent
[05:27] <_machine> fatejudger: because KDE gives me shit about all my usb devices
[05:27] <DaSkreech> qatsi: Grab it from the site
[05:27] <fatejudger> _machine: what USB devices?
[05:27] <cddesjar> i like bittornado
[05:27] <hydrogen> ktorrent++
[05:27] <qatsi> fatejudger uhmmm, dont like it too much.....download rate is about 5kb
[05:27] <fatejudger> _machine: why don't you try fixing the problem before you go runnig to another DE
[05:27] <frank23> _machine: the only way I know to uninstall all of the kubuntu packages is to uninstall kdelibs, then reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[05:27] <qatsi> dascreech ok, ill try
[05:27] <fatejudger> Ktorrent is great
[05:27] <_machine> fatejudger: all mass sorage devices
[05:27] <satafterh> lime wire is ok to start with, go to limewire site and down load the "other" package. no install required, need java though
[05:27] <fatejudger> Azureus is good too
[05:28] <_machine> fatejudger: I would like to
[05:28] <fatejudger> _machine: Breezy or Hoary?
[05:28] <_machine> fatejudger: Breezy
[05:28] <satafterh> Breezy rock
[05:28] <fatejudger> _machine: hmm, that's strange
[05:28] <_machine> fatejudger: installed it today
[05:28] <fatejudger> _machine: but switching to Gnome probably won't fix it
[05:28] <fatejudger> _machine: Gnome is just a DE
[05:28] <fatejudger> _machine: Breezy is supposed to automount all USB flash drives
[05:28] <_machine> yes but I think it involves the KIO slaves
[05:29] <fatejudger> _machine: what exactly happens when you put in the flash drive?
[05:29] <_machine> i got this when it tried
[05:29] <_machine> An error occurred while loading media:/sdb1:
[05:29] <_machine> The file or folder media:/sdb1 does not exist.
[05:29] <fatejudger> that's what happens when you stick it in?
[05:29] <_machine> but in the syslog it dose
[05:29] <cddesjar> is it in /etc/fstab?
[05:29] <_machine> fatejudger: yes
[05:29] <satafterh> i have scancruzer works great
[05:30] <fatejudger> yeah, they're supposed to work great
[05:30] <_machine> cddesjar: no
[05:30] <fatejudger> _machine: what model do you have?
[05:30] <cddesjar> that's why then
[05:30] <_machine> fatejudger: thats funny
[05:30] <cddesjar> it needs to be in /etc/stab to be mounted
[05:30] <fatejudger> cddesjar: are you sure about that?
[05:30] <satafterh> 1gig mini
[05:30] <cddesjar> it needs to be in /etc/fstab to be mounted
[05:30] <_machine> fatejudger: its a digital camera 
[05:30] <fatejudger> _machine: ohh, well that's different
[05:30] <_machine> fatejudger: in GNOME it sees it as like a USB stick
[05:30] <fatejudger> _machine: you need to have a digital camera daemon running then
[05:30] <cddesjar> i've always appended, prior to this automounting stuff, my /etc/fstab file
[05:30] <fatejudger> right?
[05:31] <_machine> fatejudger: no 
[05:31] <_machine> fatejudger: just the module and it was loaded just fine
[05:32] <_machine> fatejudger: they syslog says its sdb
[05:32] <_machine> what the hell is to much work for irq10
[05:32] <satafterh> whats the deal with kde 3.5, any one tried it
[05:33] <_machine> i am getting the message serial8250:too much work for irq10
[05:33] <_machine> cddesjar: I have 3 usb devices
[05:33] <_machine> cddesjar: do I make an entry for every one
[05:34] <_machine> cddesjar: how do I know what is what
[05:34] <cddesjar> in the past i've only had to make one
[05:34] <cddesjar> but again this was before automounting
[05:34] <cddesjar> you might want to google this before you append the /etc/fstab file
[05:34] <_machine> cddesjar: ya same here
[05:34] <cddesjar> so...i don't know
[05:35] <cddesjar> you would need to mount it be hand then
[05:35] <cddesjar> there probably is another file that needs to be editing or maybe you don't have preference to mount this?  
[05:36] <cddesjar> i ment priveledges
[05:36] <cddesjar> i don't know
[05:36] <_machine> cddesjar: look I know its kde spacific
[05:37] <_machine> fatejudger: I know its kde spacific
[05:37] <_machine> fatejudger: works fine in GNOME
[05:37] <_machine> fatejudger: my GF has pretty much the same version and it works on hers
[05:38] <raingrove> ur girlfriend uses linux
[05:40] <DaSkreech> Mine does
[05:40] <DaSkreech> Gimpstress
[05:41] <_43> is there a quick and dirty way to upgrade to 5.1RC?
[05:41] <_43> minus the install cd
[05:41] <_43> right now im in kubuntu
[05:41] <fatejudger> dist-upgrade
[05:42] <fatejudger> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:42] <fatejudger> that's the command
[05:42] <raingrove> _43 u have to modify sources.list first
[05:42] <_43> apparently, it's complaining about deps
[05:42] <arthurb> and sacrify a goat
[05:42] <satafterh> when is breezy due
[05:42] <raingrove> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[05:43] <_43> never mind
[05:43] <_43> had to -f it
[05:43] <raingrove> breezy will be released today
[05:43] <arthurb> then run in spiral chanting dpkg --force-conflicts around the computer
[05:44] <fatejudger> raingrove: they started changing the links on the website
[05:44] <satafterh> it is today here, lol
[05:44] <raingrove> fatejudger : huh? what do u mean?
[05:44] <_machine> what is this 10/12/2005 11:24:55 PMlocalhostkernel[4301491.692000]  serial8250: too much work for irq10
[05:45] <fatejudger> raingrove: www.kubuntu.org
[05:45] <fatejudger> raingrove: go to the downloads page
[05:45] <fatejudger> raingrove: they changed it to 5.10
[05:45] <_43> this may be a simple question, how do i set the default sound card?
[05:45] <fatejudger> Breezy
[05:45] <raingrove> wow
[05:46] <raingrove> but it redirects to RC site
[05:46] <raingrove> :/
[05:46] <DaSkreech> :-)
[05:46] <fatejudger> raingrove: I know, they're in the process of updating
[05:46] <_43> i have integrated sound as well as a Sound blaster, it keeps defaulting to integrated sound :(
[05:46] <fatejudger> raingrove: it should be here any minute
[05:46] <fatejudger> raingrove: it's exciting
[05:46] <raingrove> i am getting my Adept ready
[05:46] <fatejudger> raingrove: I'm going to torrent the iso as soon as it comes out
[05:47] <_43> i just want RC because of that awesome splash screen :P
[05:47] <raingrove> yeah man!
[05:49] <fatejudger> raingrove: they just updated another link
[05:49] <fatejudger> raingrove: look at the main download page now
[05:50] <crimsun> are you guys drooling over the refresh icon or something? ;-)
[05:50] <raingrove> where?
[05:50] <satafterh> what does NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D50   mean                                        88
[05:50] <raingrove> no public key to verify signature
[05:50] <fatejudger> crimsun: I am, lol
[05:50] <raingrove> dont worry about it too much if u are sure that the source is correct
[05:50] <fatejudger> raingrove: look at the main downloads page on kubuntu.org
[05:51] <raingrove> yes? it still says the same thing
[05:51] <fatejudger> no it doesn't
[05:51] <fatejudger> the links are all different
[05:51] <fatejudger> raingrove: they've been updated to 5.10
[05:51] <fatejudger> raingrove: before it was just the title
[05:51] <fatejudger> raingrove: they're about to upload them to the server
[05:51] <raingrove> i guess so
[05:51] <raingrove> haha
[05:51] <raingrove> LOVELY
[05:51] <fatejudger> raingrove: think about it
[05:52] <fatejudger> raingrove: it's going to be 12 AM EST in 9 minutes
[05:52] <fatejudger> that's midnight of October 13th
[05:52] <fatejudger> where is the project  based?
[05:52] <raingrove> in 9 MINUTES
[05:52] <raingrove> yay
[05:53] <fatejudger> I'm just speculating
[05:53] <fatejudger> they might be based in Texas
[05:53] <fatejudger> in which case it would be 1 hour and 9 minutes
[05:53] <fatejudger> or they might live here in beautiful California
[05:53] <fatejudger> in which case it would be 3 hours and 7 minutes
[05:53] <fatejudger> I'm hoping for the first
[05:53] <crimsun> it's based in the UK
[05:56] <_machine> fatejudger: this is why I thought to go to GNOME
[05:57] <_machine> fatejudger: http://kubuntuforums.net/index.php?topic=441.0
[05:58] <kkathman> hello again all :)
[06:00] <raingrove> oh no
[06:00] <raingrove> no release yet
[06:00] <_43> dude...
[06:00] <_43> it just turned 12 30 secs ago
[06:00] <_43> chill out
[06:01] <fatejudger> lol
[06:02] <fatejudger> I think it may be in one hour then
[06:02] <satafterh> like children at christmas lol
[06:02] <kkathman> lol
[06:02] <kkathman> wow I cant imagine how slow the server is going to be with a million people downloading all at once
[06:03] <Riddell> my powerpc DVD still has 3 hours to download, no release until then I'm afraid
[06:03] <satafterh> do you think that many people use k or ubuntu
[06:03] <kkathman> I cant see it now - Estimated download time :  264 hrs 30 minutes  45 seconds
[06:04] <kkathman> considering that there may be multiple downloads yeah
[06:04] <kkathman> maybe not a million
[06:04] <satafterh> ya well i wana open my presants first
[06:04] <kkathman> but certainly more than one server can do for sure
[06:05] <_43> its blazing fast me
[06:05] <_43> for me
[06:05] <kkathman> it happened last time...people couldnt get the upgrades for like 4-5 days :)
[06:05] <_43> 400kb/sec here
[06:05] <_43> max dl i have is 450ish
[06:05] <satafterh> is the finial release differant from rc with all updates
[06:05] <kkathman> yah I have 1.5 MB/sec but I dont think that will matter if the server can only server at 2
[06:06] <kkathman> serve I mean
[06:08] <DaSkreech> So Whos on the Dapper server yet?
[06:08] <satafterh> 5.10 release, is that the final
[06:08] <raingrove> oh shit
[06:08] <raingrove> released?1
[06:09] <satafterh> http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php is that is or waht
[06:10] <satafterh> everyone leave??
[06:11] <raingrove> is it really released????
[06:11] <Riddell> no
[06:11] <raingrove> is it really released???? i still see the words "release candidate"
[06:11] <Riddell> that's just me getting ahead of myself
[06:14] <satafterh> i didnt know there was a dvd version
[06:14] <kkathman> Hey Riddell  you feel like an expectant father yet :)
[06:14] <satafterh> whats on it thats not on the cd version
[06:16] <satafterh> does any one know what time of day this is coming out?
[06:16] <Riddell> just as a general disclaimer KDE 3.4.3 added some annoying bugs which will get fixed in breezy-updates soon
[06:17] <Riddell> satafterh: once the mirrors sync
[06:17] <raingrove> oh man
[06:17] <raingrove> i dont see any upgradable packages
[06:17] <raingrove> does it mean i already have 5.10?
[06:17] <Riddell> raingrove: what did you install from?
[06:17] <satafterh> this is to funny look, its says not yet, lol http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[06:18] <raingrove> 5.04 , i did dist-upgrade
[06:18] <Riddell> satafterh: I thoughnt it might amuse you :)
[06:18] <raingrove> + upgrades every few hours
[06:18] <Riddell> raingrove: main archives have been closed for some 24 hours
[06:18] <raingrove> Riddell, what do u mean?
[06:19] <Riddell> raingrove: there's been no new packages in main for 24 hours
[06:19] <MachineScrew> got my cam to work
[06:19] <satafterh> there should be a hit counter on the page though
[06:19] <Drakeson> I just downloaded the 20051012 dvd. is it the final?
[06:19] <MachineScrew> work around though
[06:19] <MachineScrew> kio slave dosn't work
[06:20] <raingrove> Riddell, oh man. really? so i  do have 5.10
[06:20] <raingrove> already installed
[06:20] <satafterh> who is going to say ready, set . go lol
[06:20] <MachineScrew> kio slave dosn't support hal
[06:20] <raingrove> haha i've been waiting for nothing but ISOs then?
[06:21] <Riddell> satafterh: MEtaLpREs 
[06:21] <MachineScrew> I am very disappointed
[06:21] <Riddell> MachineScrew: I'll fix that soon
[06:21] <Riddell> MachineScrew: me too
[06:21] <satafterh> MEtaLpREs??
[06:21] <MachineScrew> Riddell: you a kubuntu developer
[06:21] <Riddell> um, I ment me
[06:21] <Riddell> strange bit of tab completion there
[06:21] <Riddell> MachineScrew: yes
[06:22] <Drakeson> MachineScrew: doh!
[06:22] <MachineScrew> Riddell: i resorted to creating 4 dirs and 4 entrys in the fstab
[06:22] <fatejudger> Breezy Badger is released
[06:22] <fatejudger> just now
[06:22] <fatejudger> well, a few minutes ago
[06:22] <Hhhhh> fatejudger, is it a stable release3?
[06:22] <fatejudger> yes
[06:22] <fatejudger> the final
[06:22] <raingrove> haha
[06:22] <satafterh> love kubuntu, I left bill for her
[06:22] <raingrove> we all probably have 5.10 installed already
[06:23] <raingrove> if u have been following the upgrades
[06:23] <MachineScrew> Riddell: also an adept sys tray icon would be nice :p
[06:23] <satafterh> i have 5.10
[06:23] <fatejudger> Kubuntu isn't out yet though
[06:23] <Hhhhh> fatejudger, website says it's PR
[06:23] <DaSkreech> satafterh: Sounds like me and kate
[06:23] <Riddell> MachineScrew: yeah, it's because KDE 3.4.3 went in last minute, caused some issues.  sorry about that and I'll fix it as soon as possible
[06:23] <Riddell> MachineScrew: why?  systray icons are evil
[06:24] <MachineScrew> Riddell: yes they are but only let it apper when there are updates like ubuntu update-notifyer
[06:24] <DaSkreech> MachineScrew: You mean a permanent one or one that appears when there is important updates?
[06:24] <DaSkreech> MachineScrew: Ah Of course :-)
[06:24] <MachineScrew> DaSkreech: the latter
[06:24] <DaSkreech> MachineScrew: I think that is on the burner if you look at the adept page
[06:24] <Drakeson> is the latest koffice (1.42) included?
[06:24] <MachineScrew> DaSkreech: I have 6 icons now I don't need any more
[06:25] <satafterh> ya, bill cut me of of free updates and I hate the man so I said see you later and tried i dont know how many distro's and came across kubuntu, dont like gnome much but thank good for ubuntu or i guess kubuntu wouldnt be here
[06:25] <Riddell> MachineScrew: we'll do that for dapper, but it doesn't take a systray icon, just a popup
[06:25] <MachineScrew> i hide all the ones i don't use
[06:25] <DaSkreech> Riddell: A what!?!?!
[06:26] <MachineScrew> Riddell: also a nice edition would be yakuake
[06:26] <Drakeson> what is yakuake?
[06:26] <MachineScrew> yakuake the guy that made that was a genuse
[06:26] <Drakeson> what does it do?
[06:26] <MachineScrew> one sec
[06:26] <satafterh> I can say kubuntu is the only ok i would pay for, as long as it wasnt a crazey amount, but glad its free. I think iam going to donate
[06:27] <MachineScrew> Drakeson: its a terminal on sec
[06:27] <Riddell> MachineScrew: yakthingy got in, I made sure that was uploaded :)
[06:27] <MachineScrew> cool
[06:27] <DaSkreech> satafterh: :-) Good going
[06:27] <chavo> I don't really like yakuake. I've always got terminals open on the desktop anyway, so I end up forgetting it's even running.
[06:27] <Hhhhh> where can I get final release of breezy by direct download (instead of torrent)?
[06:27] <DaSkreech> chavo: Waht does it do?
[06:27] <rodrigo> http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/breezy-release-candidate.php
[06:27] <Riddell> Hhhhh: same place as the torrents (and not yet)
[06:27] <MachineScrew> http://yakuake.uv.ro
[06:28] <chavo> Drakeson, it's a terminal or konsole window that drops down from the top of the desktop
[06:28] <chavo> like a quake termianl
[06:28] <MachineScrew> I like it
[06:28] <Drakeson> Riddell: is the 20051012 dvd the final?
[06:28] <MachineScrew> F12 and BAM got a terminal
[06:28] <rodrigo> lol
[06:28] <DaSkreech> Alt+F2?
[06:29] <Drakeson> MachineScrew: omg! I thought it is just a quake terminal
[06:29] <satafterh> #Riddell puch the button baby
[06:29] <MachineScrew> Drakeson: no a real terminal
[06:29] <Drakeson> another konsole?
[06:29] <MachineScrew> Drakeson: I ran mc in it
[06:29] <MachineScrew> Drakeson: ya but come on 
[06:30] <MachineScrew> Drakeson: for that quick apt-get
[06:30] <MachineScrew> Drakeson: or other commands that are quicker than GUI
[06:31] <satafterh> Not yet...
[06:31] <MachineScrew> GUI=convienoce ease of use
[06:31] <Riddell> Drakeson: yes (I still have powerpc to test though so it could all go horribly wrong)
[06:31] <MachineScrew> Console=quick and effeciant
[06:31] <DaSkreech> CLI ==Power!!
[06:31] <MachineScrew> DaSkreech: yes
[06:32] <DocTomoe> GUI = Great Usability Interferance
[06:32] <Drakeson> Riddell: so basically for i386 I have the final release or should I burn another dvd? ;)
 you have a ccopy of the final
[06:32] <MachineScrew> DocTomoe: So the whole KDE vs GNOME non issue right
[06:32] <MachineScrew> just give you that term
[06:33] <DaSkreech> E!! :-)
[06:33] <DaSkreech> Ebuntu would sooooooo rock
[06:33] <MachineScrew> ya
[06:34] <MachineScrew> DaSkreech: all you have to do is get the right repos
[06:34] <MachineScrew> DaSkreech: do a server install
[06:34] <DaSkreech> you Can't APT E17
[06:34] <satafterh> Not yet... , its like your on your first date with a girl you just met lol
[06:34] <DaSkreech> `Wait
[06:34] <MachineScrew> DaSkreech: yes you can
[06:34] <DaSkreech> KDE 3.5 is in november?
[06:34] <MachineScrew> DaSkreech: I have done it
[06:34] <chavo> DaSkreech, ebuntu doesn't make sense. It's not like E has it's own apps, toolkit, etc.
[06:34] <chavo> you still need all of those
[06:34] <DaSkreech> MachineScrew: Which Repo?
[06:35] <MachineScrew> DaSkreech: on sec
[06:35] <DaSkreech> chavo: It doesn't? Whats EFL all about?
[06:35] <chavo> so where's the apps built with efl?
[06:35] <Riddell> Drakeson: you have the final one
[06:35] <Drakeson> thanks
[06:35] <satafterh> whats every one like for mirc cliant
[06:36] <chavo> and it will never be final
[06:36] <DaSkreech> chavo: ELpanel, evnince, A couple more :)
[06:36] <chavo> so we're talking about e16 which has none of that
[06:36] <Drakeson> gotta disappear for a while (install!)
[06:36] <MachineScrew> http://www.soulmachine.net/wiki/index.php?title=Enlightenment_on_Debian_unstable
[06:37] <MachineScrew> DaSkreech: that is the repo for E17
[06:37] <chavo> nothing wrong with E, I have it installed, just doesn't make sense to build a distro around it when you can apt-get install enlightenment
[06:37] <MachineScrew> well not the repo but a how to
[06:37] <DaSkreech> I guess
[06:37] <_43> w00t
[06:37] <_43> update done
[06:37] <_43> rebooting...
[06:37] <MachineScrew> ya but nothing but E ?
[06:37] <chavo> DaSkreech, have you tried e17?
[06:37] <MachineScrew> like GNOME and KDE
[06:38] <satafterh> we bed time, need to work in morning later, get sleep or santa wont come
[06:38] <MachineScrew> chavo: i have 
[06:38] <DaSkreech> Yeah i was tossing ideas for them to play with
[06:38] <MachineScrew> oops that didn't come out right
[06:39] <fatejudger> LOL
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Recursive wood?
[06:40] <MachineScrew> all I am saying is WHERE are the enlightenment theme developers in GNOME and KDE
[06:40] <DaSkreech> chavo: Why do you say it will never be finished?
[06:40] <MachineScrew> I meen come on who needs Aqua or Luna themes when they can use the respective os damn it
[06:41] <chavo> DaSkreech, that's the nature of the e developers, it's been in development for like 4 or 5 years
[06:41] <MachineScrew> I wan't those E themes in KDE or GNOME
[06:41] <chavo> MachineScrew, who needs e themes when you can use them i E
[06:41] <MachineScrew> E16 is a DR
[06:41] <DaSkreech> chavo: True but the lead devs were gone for two years
[06:41] <DaSkreech> chavo: Point is taken though
[06:42] <MachineScrew> chavo: yes but I want a finshed product not somthing that has been rebuilt more than any historical monument
[06:42] <chavo> exactly
[06:42] <MachineScrew> chavo: i also want somthing that is going to be relesed in my life time
[06:43] <MachineScrew> 2 hours of batt time lefft
[06:43] <chavo> DaSkreech, why not?
[06:43] <MachineScrew> is that good ?
[06:43] <DaSkreech> I spend all my time playing with the environment instead of being a useful member of a coding society or trying to continue my line
[06:43] <DaSkreech> :-(
[06:44] <DaSkreech> After like 3 weeks I have to admit myself to eanon and remove it
[06:44] <MachineScrew> like the Ori says in SG1 you will become enlightened or Die
[06:44] <MachineScrew> lol
[06:44] <DaSkreech> I get bored of playing with KDE and can get work done and gnome ... well it's gnome
[06:45] <DaSkreech> though twm is very productive :)
[06:45] <Hobbsee> lol
[06:46] <DaSkreech> Can Kontact export to LDIF?
[06:46] <Hobbsee> so you can procrastinate with 2 instead of 1
[06:48] <chavo> DaSkreech, install enlightenment and run it with Xnest inside KDE, then you can have the best of both wrolds
[06:48] <DaSkreech> chavo: I Might take you up on that
[06:48] <chavo> DaSkreech, have you heard of klik?
[06:48] <DaSkreech> I wanted to hack on the snow modules to get the snow to build up on e windows that you could shake off
[06:48] <DaSkreech> chavo: Yeah Looks good
[06:49] <chavo> http://klik.atekon.de/ there's a kilk package that let's you run e17 in an Xnest
[06:49] <DaSkreech> DaSkreech: only ships with Suse though
[06:49] <chavo> you can install it on kubuntu
[06:49] <DaSkreech> I know Just wondered why it seems shunned
[06:49] <chavo> I've only tried one package so far and it worked fine
[06:50] <DaSkreech> Don't doubt that it works since it's converted debs
[06:50] <DaSkreech> Just wondered why no one is using or looking ot use it
[06:51] <DaSkreech> KDE is the type of community that jumps on things when they come out
[06:51] <chavo> it's pretty new
[06:51] <rodrigo> Chavo are you brazilian?
[06:51] <chavo> well it's not a KDE thing, it's a distro thing
[06:51] <chavo> no
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Yeah but KhotStuff was in like 4 apps within two weeks
[06:51] <rodrigo> Where are you from? Because I use to watched Chavo on tv... :)
[06:51] <DaSkreech> and Kparts was adopted faster than that if I  recall correctly
[06:51] <chavo> DaSkreech, like I said it's not really a KDE thing
[06:52] <rodrigo> *used
[06:52] <rodrigo> *to watch
[06:52] <chavo> rodrigo, I live in Florida, but I have a lot of Mexican friends and they started calling me chavo, then it stuck :)
[06:52] <DaSkreech> I know but for distros close to KDE like Kubuntu and Mandriva I'd expect them to take it up if KDE was excited about it
[06:52] <kevman> When will Kubuntu Breezy be up?
[06:52] <DaSkreech> In 10
[06:52] <DaSkreech> 9
[06:52] <DaSkreech> 8
[06:53] <DaSkreech> 6
[06:53] <Hobbsee> lol
[06:53] <DaSkreech> 4
[06:53] <DaSkreech> 2
[06:53] <chavo> kevman, around noon I think
[06:53] <Hobbsee> it's 2pm here
[06:53] <DaSkreech> hours :)
[06:53] <chavo> high noon
[06:53] <Hobbsee> where are you referencing noon from lol?
[06:53] <chavo> I don't know I just made it up
[06:53] <chavo> how about this -> RSN!
[06:54] <chavo> Real Soon NOW!
[06:54] <kevman> Ah, I was just hopinh to start the download before bed tonight.
[06:54] <Hobbsee> you can still distupgrade...
[06:54] <cpalma> its almost oct 13 here :D
[06:54] <DaSkreech> It will be here Soon enough
[06:54] <chavo> kevman, I believe it is final but a few more test are being done
[06:54] <DaSkreech> And yes i know
[06:54] <Hobbsee> and why dont you just download the daily cd of it, and get the latest updates?
[06:54] <DaSkreech> It's not soon enough
[06:54] <kevman> Hobbsee, when I did that to Warty, Bad Things happened.
[06:54] <Hobbsee> true, they can, mine screwed up once and worked once dist upgrading, but it's an option
[06:54] <Ravensky> rofl, I think I'm switching over to Kubuntu XD
[06:55] <Hobbsee> this time i used a daily cd a couple of days before the RC
[06:55] <chavo> well some daily CD's can be really broken
[06:55] <Hobbsee> can be, yeah
[06:55] <chavo> I updated when the first preview came out about a month ago
[06:55] <Hobbsee> can be worth trying, if you've got a spare cd lol
[06:56] <chavo> well you can upgrade with the iso if you mount it a /cdrom then run apt-cdrom add
[06:56] <chavo> so you don't even need to burn it
[06:56] <Hobbsee> true
[06:56] <Hobbsee> then all you need is a bit of bandwidth, and you can have it now :P
[06:58] <kevman> I think reinstalling from CD will be my best bet, anyway...
[06:58] <Hobbsee> #ubuntu's going nuts over there lol....
[06:58] <Hobbsee> true, it's generally easiest
[06:58] <chavo> hmm I'm gonna try out some klik apps
[06:59] <chavo> yeah there was over 600 in there earlier today
[06:59] <Hobbsee> 626 now
[06:59] <DaSkreech> Like I said converted debs
[06:59] <chavo> it was pretty busy in here earlier also
[06:59] <DaSkreech> if it exists in a repos it can be in klik in 6 minutes
[07:00] <chavo> DaSkreech, there's a page of stuff that's not in the repos
[07:01] <chavo> latest opera. firefox nightlies, nvu
[07:01] <DaSkreech> It's pretty easy to build from source as well but not as fast
[07:01] <chavo> yeah it's not something I'll regualry use, but it is cool for some people
[07:02] <Hobbsee> havent tried klik, been meaning to though
[07:02] <chavo> it's cool you just click the link and it downloads and runs the app. People can't say it's hard to install programs in Linux with something like thjis
[07:04] <rodrigo> This link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions?action=fullsearch&value=linkto%3A%22AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions%22&context=180
[07:05] <rodrigo> Explains how to configure automount for Windows Partitions
[07:05] <Ravensky> so what's going on in #ubuntu? Breezy fully released or something?
[07:05] <fatejudger> yeah
[07:05] <seth_k> yes, mirrors all synced now
[07:05] <seth_k> Kubuntu mirrors syncing as we speak
[07:05] <rodrigo> It says sth about Breazy being easier to do it.
[07:06] <Ravensky> ok...should I burn a new CD or something? (going to install kubuntu in a little bit). I have the RC version
[07:06] <rodrigo> Anyone knows what they are going to do?
[07:06] <Hobbsee> Ravensky: just install of the RC, then update
[07:06] <seth_k> DaSkreech++
[07:06] <seth_k> me too
[07:06] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: why dapper?
[07:06] <cpalma> which kde version will be available on kubuntu?
[07:06] <Hobbsee> well, why now?
[07:06] <Hobbsee> cpalma: 3.4.3
[07:06] <seth_k> cpalma, 3.4.3, but there will be 3.5 repos if you want them
[07:06] <Ravensky> wtf is dapper?
[07:07] <Hobbsee> !dapper
[07:07] <ubotu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be called the "Dapper Drake" release.
[07:07] <cpalma> sweet
[07:07] <Ravensky> ah
[07:09] <Riddell> Hobbsee: ssh, don't tell people that
[07:09] <Hobbsee> which, about the daily cd's?
[07:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: which, about the daily cd's?
[07:11] <Hobbsee> ok then
[07:12] <Riddell> Hobbsee: about 3.4.3
[07:12] <Hobbsee> ah...why not?  i thought it was announced broadly over the kde site
[07:12] <Hobbsee> maybe i was looking at the wrong site
[07:13] <Riddell> I don't see it on kde.org
[07:14] <Riddell> and it's certainly not on dot.kde.org, since I havn't written the story yet
[07:14] <MachineScrew> any recomendations on how to extend the life of my battery
[07:14] <MachineScrew> I already had to replace the puppy once
[07:14] <MachineScrew> of course that battery was 2 yrs old
[07:14] <Hobbsee> then where did i see it? i'll go searching
[07:14] <Hobbsee> ah right
[07:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah...it's a little hidden, was supposed to be out on the 12th according to this
[07:17] <Riddell> CaiN_SA: up early?
[07:19] <CaiN_SA> lol Riddell always
[07:19] <CaiN_SA> brb
[07:33] <Riddell> quiet here...
[07:34] <CaiN_SA> lol
[07:34] <CaiN_SA> morning Riddell 
[07:34] <Hobbsee> mmm...very...
[07:34] <CaiN_SA> i was wondering is u / k untu almost being released
[07:34] <Hobbsee> ubuntu's released
[07:34] <CaiN_SA> since there are so little package updates since yesterday
[07:34] <CaiN_SA> k
[07:34] <CaiN_SA> that would explain it
[07:35] <CaiN_SA> only update impi got since yesterday
[07:35] <CaiN_SA> was acpi-support
[07:36] <CaiN_SA> hehe
[07:36] <Riddell> CaiN_SA: is impi going to do a release?
[07:36] <CaiN_SA> what was wrong previously
[07:36] <CaiN_SA> not today Riddell 
[07:36] <CaiN_SA> we releasing end of months
[07:36] <Riddell> CaiN_SA: well no :)  
[07:36] <CaiN_SA> *month
[07:37] <CaiN_SA> our installer is stuffed
[07:37] <CaiN_SA> :/
[07:37] <CaiN_SA> but next week should be RC
[07:37] <CaiN_SA> then end of month full release
[07:37] <Hobbsee> CaiN_SA: standby bounces out straight away, ie screen goes black then back to normal, and doesnt stay as standby, suspend works, hittign the power button to turn it back on again gets the computer back, then automatically reboots it, and the battery doesnt seem to last that long
[07:37] <Hobbsee> at least here, that's the case
[07:38] <CaiN_SA> eish
[07:38] <CaiN_SA> you got bad luck then
[07:38] <CaiN_SA> cos it works 95% of the time
[07:38] <Hobbsee> mmm...yeah...
[07:38] <Hobbsee> reboot's more of a pain
[07:38] <Hobbsee> hibernate works, so that's enough of it working
[07:39] <CaiN_SA> hehe
[07:39] <Hobbsee> oh, sound was botched orig, but that's the soundcard every few kernel updates that causes that
[07:40] <Hobbsee> so not much at all really that stuffed up lol...
[07:42] <daveg67> not sure of the etiquite on this irc stuff  just ask a ????
[07:42] <Hobbsee> yeah
[07:42] <Hobbsee> go for it
[07:42] <Hobbsee> the idea is "just ask", otherwise we cant help you
[07:43] <daveg67> on bootup I have no wireless connection, if i remove and re-install my pcmcia wireless card it works fine
[07:44] <MachineScrew> daveg67: you in breezy ?
[07:44] <daveg67> not yet
[07:44] <MachineScrew> daveg67: get it
[07:44] <MachineScrew> daveg67: might solve your problems (or might create some)
[07:44] <daveg67> plan to download today, but my problem seems unrelated to any i can find
[07:45] <MachineScrew> ya
[07:45] <MachineScrew> you in kde right
[07:45] <daveg67> oddly enough ubuntu it worked fine, but in kubuntu is does not
[07:46] <MachineScrew> daveg67: open a terminal and kedit /etc/networking/interfaces
[07:46] <MachineScrew> daveg67: open a terminal and kedit /etc/network/interfaces
[07:47] <MachineScrew> make shure you have the line auto wlan0
[07:47] <daveg67> got that
[07:48] <daveg67> my wireless come up as eth0
[07:48] <MachineScrew> daveg67: also open Kcontrol and Networksetting in internet & network
[07:49] <MachineScrew> open the admin tab and hit configure
[07:49] <MachineScrew> for your eth0
[07:49] <Riddell> drum roll please...
[07:50] <crimsun> yay!
[07:50] <daveg67> admin decided to fail  Is this problem fixed in 5.10
[07:50] <MachineScrew> then you should see somthing about bringing up the interface on boot
[07:50] <MachineScrew> daveg67: no but you can sudo kcontroll
[07:50] <Riddell> ***  http://kubuntu.org/announcements/breezy-release.php  ***
[07:50] <Riddell> ta da
[07:50] <chavo> woot!
[07:50] <BlankB> only 10 people in the kubuntu swarm so far?
[07:51] <Riddell> make sure you use a mirror which has synced (i.e. it doesn't say Release Candidate)
[07:51] <chavo> great job Riddell congrats to you and all of the rest :)
[07:51] <MachineScrew> I just did a server install of horray today then I did a dist-upgrade after changeing the repos
[07:51] <hater2win> it still has the RC
[07:52] <hater2win> ??
[07:52] <chavo> and thank yous all around, of course :)
[07:52] <fatejudger> I don't see the file
[07:52] <fatejudger> it isn't there
[07:52] <MachineScrew> then did a install of kubuntu-desktop after a reboot
[07:52] <daveg67> not working right now, but i will try back here if the upgrade to 5.10 does not fix it and I hope is does, but am not sure it will  Thanks!!
[07:53] <chavo> fatejudger, which file?
[07:53] <daveg67> see ya
[07:53] <fatejudger> I can't get Kubuntu 5.10 Breezy
[07:53] <hater2win> im not seeing it either, i still says 5.10 RC for me
[07:53] <Riddell> http://82.211.81.153/kubuntu/5.10/
[07:53] <Riddell> http://82.211.81.152/kubuntu/5.10/
[07:53] <Riddell> you just have to get the right IP address
[07:54] <Hobbsee> nooo!!!!!
[07:54] <hater2win> i see
[07:54] <hater2win> thanks Riddell 
[07:54] <Hobbsee> you couldnt release it when i wasnt there!!!
[07:54] <aftertaf> long live kubuntu. long live kde :)
[07:54] <MachineScrew> big gripe
[07:54] <MachineScrew> lol
[07:55] <Hobbsee> definetly long live kubuntu and kde!
[07:55] <MachineScrew> Ktorrent is not the latest
[07:55] <MachineScrew> lol
[07:55] <aftertaf> hehe
[07:55] <aftertaf> change the topic !!!! ;)
[07:55] <chavo> MachineScrew, klik has 1.1 RC1
[07:55] <Riddell> MachineScrew: we'll get it in backports
[07:55] <chavo> it's looking good too
[07:56] <MachineScrew> Riddell: aw i am just screwing with ya I know you'll get it
[07:57] <MachineScrew> Riddell: Exelent work so far just curius though Ubuntu whent from spatial to somewhere in between
[07:57] <MachineScrew> Riddell: Kubuntu whent the other way
[07:57] <MachineScrew> Riddell: why ?
[07:58] <MachineScrew> Riddell: just giving ya shit 
[07:58] <MachineScrew> lol
[07:58] <Ravensky> wewt
[07:59] <Ravensky> frank23: you were right :P
[07:59] <chavo> Ravensky, go you!
[07:59] <Hobbsee> :D
[07:59] <MachineScrew> when can I change my backports from horay-backports-staging to breezy backports
[08:00] <Ravensky> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted
[08:00] <Ravensky> right?
[08:00] <Hobbsee> yeah but whether it's open or not...
[08:00] <aftertaf> MachineScrew:  there arent any things to backport yet
[08:00] <aftertaf> grey it out.
[08:00] <MachineScrew> ok
[08:01] <aftertaf> backports means, getting a version developed for a future release packaged for the current release.
[08:01] <Ravensky> cant install xchat until my system completes all 229 updates XD
[08:01] <aftertaf> xchat sux :)
[08:01] <MachineScrew> aftertaf: I am using horay-backports-staging
[08:02] <Ravensky> aftertaf: say what you want ;)
[08:02] <aftertaf> MachineScrew:  add a # :)
[08:02] <MachineScrew> Ravensky: I am to
[08:02] <aftertaf> Ravensky:  hehe i use xchat to.O and i like it.
[08:02] <MachineScrew> aftertaf: why they seem to work
[08:02] <aftertaf> but for zin its payware$ :/
[08:02] <chavo> xchat? 0_o
[08:02] <aftertaf> MachineScrew:  ok, but what are you getting from them?
[08:03] <MachineScrew> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports-staging main universe multiverse restricted
[08:03] <frank23> Ravensky: right about what?
[08:04] <Ravensky> I installed the RC. I can just do all of these updates and get what the released Breezy has, right?
[08:04] <aftertaf> Ravensky:  yep ;)
[08:04] <Ravensky> frank23: saying that I'll switch to kubuntu
[08:04] <Ravensky> I did :P
[08:04] <MachineScrew> aftertaf: and deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras-staging main universe multiverse restricted
[08:04] <frank23> Ravensky: LOL
[08:05] <aftertaf> MachineScrew:  but arent the baclports to give breezy versions of stuff to hoary users?
[08:05] <cpalma> not getting anything from torrent yet :(
[08:06] <MachineScrew> aftertaf: I thought it was what is going to be in breezy backports
[08:06] <chavo> aftertaf, no it's to give breaazy users dapper stuff
[08:06] <Ravensky> damn you Adept, download faster!
[08:06] <chavo> woops
[08:06] <aftertaf> chavo:  hoary-extras ?
[08:07] <chavo> aftertaf, no backports is different
[08:07] <MachineScrew> aftertaf: because if I did hoary-backports-staging in horay it would require lots of pakages that are not there
[08:07] <frank23> MachineScrew: I don't think you should suggest to people to use the staging repositories as they seem to the testing repos for backports and should be treated as stable
[08:07] <aftertaf> tbh, the ops dont recommend using backports at all. i'm sitting on the fence on this one ;)
[08:08] <chavo> it's just as the name says -> apps are backported to the latest release from the devel release
[08:08] <aftertaf> frank23:  *shouldn't
[08:08] <frank23> aftertaf: right
[08:08] <aftertaf> where are the dapper dev releases that you want to backport from?
[08:08] <MachineScrew> ok hmm
[08:08] <aftertaf> breezy has been released for like, 6 hours?
[08:08] <chavo> aftertaf, there are none yet and might not be any at all
[08:08] <aftertaf> :)
[08:08] <MachineScrew> I don't suggest it but then again
[08:09] <MachineScrew> I have had no problems
[08:09] <aftertaf> chavo:  so, may as well comment out the repos for now and see later ? ;)
[08:09] <chavo> yeah, I would only use it if it's something you really need
[08:09] <Ravensky> is it possible to join multiple servers with konversation? (never used this before)
[08:09] <MachineScrew> I like the bleeding edge lol
[08:10] <MachineScrew> Ravensky: yes
[08:10] <aftertaf> Ravensky:  i imagine so....
[08:10] <chavo> Ravensky, of course
[08:10] <chavo> just type /server servername and a new tab will open
[08:10] <Ravensky> MachineScrew: like bleeding edge? On gentoo... "ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge -uDN world"
[08:10] <Ravensky> :P
[08:10] <MachineScrew> Ravensky: open the Server list and add the new server
[08:10] <frank23> MachineScrew: I try to use backports only for apps where using the latest version will actually make a difference
[08:11] <MachineScrew> frank23: I use the back ports for resricted formats
[08:11] <MachineScrew> frank23: and other things that i don't wish to compile
[08:12] <MachineScrew> frank23: alien if there is no other way around it
[08:12] <frank23> MachineScrew: yeah, and that too... wait everything which is in backports is also in either main, universe or multiverse
[08:12] <MachineScrew> oh
[08:12] <MachineScrew> did not know that
[08:13] <frank23> MachineScrew: try checkinstall  if you have to compile. you basically use checkinstall instead of make install and it creates a .deb and installs
[08:13] <MachineScrew> frank23: so things like gstreamer-plugins-multiverse
[08:14] <MachineScrew> frank23: ya not so fun with python stuff
[08:14] <MachineScrew> like ipodder
[08:14] <MachineScrew> they need a podcasting client in both Ubuntu and Kubuntu
[08:15] <MachineScrew> amarok has podcasting support but only audio and not torrent
[08:16] <frank23> I don't even know what podcasting is....
[08:16] <Ravensky> frank23: are you serious?
[08:16] <frank23> yeah
[08:16] <MachineScrew> the automation in RSS feeds to get audio and video shows
[08:17] <MachineScrew> an example is diggnation
[08:17] <MachineScrew> or systm
[08:17] <Ravensky> I think podcast are boring
[08:17] <MachineScrew> all at http://revison3.com
[08:18] <MachineScrew> don't open that last one
[08:18] <MachineScrew> spelled wrong
[08:18] <MachineScrew> http://revision3.com/
[08:18] <MachineScrew> that is the right one
[08:20] <frank23> what are they? homemade show?
[08:20] <MachineScrew> frank23: ya
[08:21] <frank23> oh...
[08:21] <MachineScrew> frank23: these guys did a TV show
[08:21] <MachineScrew> frank23: on TechTV
[08:22] <frank23> Ok, I don't get TechTV here
[08:22] <MachineScrew> frank23: TechTV got shaffted by G4 a gaming network
[08:22] <MachineScrew> frank23: in result they said screw it we will do our own thing
[08:23] <MachineScrew> frank23: they are good shows
[08:23] <MachineScrew> right now I am listening to Binary Revolution Radio podcast
[08:23] <MachineScrew> the mentioned Ubuntu
[08:24] <frank23> ok
[08:24] <MachineScrew> frank23: also powernowd is AMD spacific
[08:24] <MachineScrew> frank23: i went to the web site
[08:25] <MachineScrew> frank23: but it uses cpufreq modules
[08:25] <MachineScrew> i can install cpufreqd and utils
[08:26] <MachineScrew> load up cpufreq_ondemand and p4-clockmod
[08:27] <MachineScrew> once done KLaptop deamon can switch to ondemand when on battery and performance when on AC
[08:27] <MachineScrew> just for your info
[08:28] <paulproteus> There seems to be nearly no one on the Kubuntu torrents.
[08:28] <paulproteus> Let me work on that by downloading the ISO via HTTP, then starting up bittorrent.
[08:29] <Riddell> make sure you use a mirror with the final on it (not release candidate)
[08:31] <paulproteus> Riddell: I'm using the one you posted in #ubuntu .
[08:31] <paulproteus> Riddell: I'm using Coral Cache to accelerate the download.
[08:32] <MachineScrew> it stalled out on me
[08:34] <MachineScrew> am I still connected
[08:35] <paulproteus> MachineScrew: I hear you loud and clear.
[08:36] <MachineScrew> ok
[08:37] <paulproteus> MachineScrew: It'll take me an hour before I can seed the torrent.
[08:37] <rodrigo> Pls help me. I ve just installed kubuntu 5.10 but the mp3 file don't open.
[08:38] <frank23> MachineScrew: powernowd is not amd specific. On the webpage they talk about Pentium-M and PPC  support
[08:38] <paulproteus> Riddell: Is there a faster mirror from which I can download the ISO so I can seed the torrent from my .edu link?  Feel free to private-message me.
[08:38] <rodrigo> all packs seem installed.
[08:38] <MachineScrew> frank23: they talk about it by saying its better than them
[08:39] <MachineScrew> frank23: basicly all that i saw said I shouldn't have to do any thing as to use it
[08:40] <rodrigo> any thoughts?
[08:40] <MachineScrew> frank23: powernowd reports that my celoron isn't supported
[08:41] <Riddell> paulproteus: not yet but it looks like it's now syncing onto http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/5.10/
[08:41] <MachineScrew> frank23: but it is for AMD processors that support the PowerNow thingy
[08:41] <MachineScrew> I have a p4 type processer
[08:42] <rodrigo> "some media could not be played"
[08:43] <paulproteus> !restrictedformats
[08:43] <ubotu> restrictedformats is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[08:43] <paulproteus> rodrigo wants to know about MP3 playing - is there a FAQ for him?
[08:43] <robin> apt-get install gstreamer-mad
[08:43] <robin> apt-get install akode
[08:43] <bjv> i've a lexmark z515 on another box, a ubuntu live CD of mine loaded "lexmark 510 series" drivers for it. how do i get those drivers for _this kubuntu machine?
[08:43] <bjv> i searched my apt-cache for it, and found nothing.
[08:44] <rodrigo> thx
[08:44] <bjv> oh, and 510 series isnt an option in the KDE printers list.
[08:44] <bjv> just alot of 1100, 3200, and similar series.
[08:45] <rodrigo> I am afraid they re installed already
[08:46] <rodrigo> but "mad" wasn't found
[08:51] <MachineScrew> i need a codec
[08:51] <MachineScrew> a quicktime h246 codec
[08:51] <bjv> :(  brb
[08:52] <rodrigo> I need help because I can't play a single mp3
[08:53] <frank23> !mp3
[08:53] <dave_> Winamp  5.10 Stopped
[08:53] <ubotu> well, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:53] <frank23> !tell MachineScrew about w32codecs
[08:57] <rodrigo> ubotu, akode is installed. Isn't that enough for mp3?
[08:57] <ubotu> rodrigo: okay
[08:58] <buz> the release notes say:
[08:58] <buz>     The Kubuntu Live CD comes with a range of Free Software programmes for Microsoft Windows for where you are not able to install Kubuntu. Programmes include KDE's calendaring program KOrganizer and the database frontend Kexi.
[08:58] <buz> wtf can i get w32 korganizer for download?
[08:59] <robin> rodrigo: have you enabled the universie repositorie ?
[08:59] <Riddell> buz: on the kubuntu breezy live CD
[08:59] <robin> *universal
[08:59] <robin> rodrigo?
[08:59] <buz> Riddell: sounds kinda stupid to download the whole cd just for that one app no?
[08:59] <buz> i have breezy installed already ;)
[08:59] <rodrigo> I was using another pack manager
[09:00] <Riddell> buz: google for kdepim p-i
[09:00] <rodrigo> Adept is not working as well as synaptic
[09:00] <Riddell> but actually the kubuntu live CD is the only place you'll find it with an installer
[09:00] <rodrigo> :)
[09:00] <robin> rodrigo: doesn't matter which, You have to use the universe repositories
[09:00] <Riddell> rodrigo: i which way?
[09:00] <robin> rodrigio enable them in synaptic
[09:00] <rodrigo> I now that
[09:00] <buz> ah maybe i should get the livecd anyhow ;)
[09:01] <rodrigo> but I only have Adept
[09:01] <buz> could come handy next time i wreck my machine ;)
[09:01] <robin> rodrigo *sigh* have you enabled them in Adept ?
[09:01] <rodrigo> lol
[09:01] <rodrigo> I just did
[09:01] <rodrigo> is src necessary?
[09:01] <rodrigo> too?
[09:02] <robin> intersting, now I can't see gstreamer-mad too.
[09:02] <robin> :D
[09:02] <rodrigo> hehe
[09:02] <crimsun> there is no gstreamer-mad
[09:02] <crimsun> it's gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:02] <robin> rodrigo: ah it is gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:03] <robin> crimsun: yes, i see
[09:03] <rodrigo> I had unbuntu 5.04 before.
[09:04] <rodrigo> I could swear mp3 were playing without the mumbo jambo universe packs.... is it possible or am I getting crazy? :)
[09:04] <crimsun> yes, it's possible
[09:05] <crimsun> xmms, libmad0, totem-xine
[09:05] <bjv> rodrigo: yeah, same hear. people told me "it's always like that"    but i swear my 5.04 cd could play them out of the box.
[09:05] <rodrigo> thats right! I had gxine
[09:05] <bjv> *here   X\
[09:05] <robin> what's wrong with gstreamer0.8-mad and universe packages
[09:05] <rodrigo> nothing
[09:06] <robin> rodrigo but anyway if you like synaptic better, you can install it :) i'm using it too.
[09:06] <rodrigo> but they are not default (maybe because they are not gnu free)
[09:06] <rodrigo> lol
[09:06] <MachineScrew> any one know where libdvdcss is ?
[09:07] <rodrigo> good question ! I would like to know where too... Guys?
[09:08] <frank23> in here deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[09:08] <_JakubS> now as breezy got released, development of dapper starts, right?
[09:09] <frank23> _JakubS: yes
[09:09] <robin> how is that auto-updater for apt called (which ubuntu uses?)
[09:10] <Riddell> adept-updater
[09:10] <robin> Riddell: not that one, the tray-icon thing ubuntu uses, not kubuntu
[09:10] <Riddell> update-notifier
[09:11] <robin> Riddell: thx
[09:12] <robin> too bad, adept does not got an update notifier.
[09:12] <_JakubS> is there any wiki page with goals/propositions for dapper?
[09:13] <frank23> Riddell: update-notifier  does nothing. It puts a "blank" icon in the tray
[09:13] <Riddell> _JakubS: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero/BOFs
[09:14] <Riddell> is it just me or has that page lost its stylesheet
[09:14] <coruja> robin: try together with update-manager, but be aware that both are 'gnome apps'
[09:15] <robin> coruja: yes, it seems they are not working. I got blank icon in systray.. and konsole gives some errors.
[09:15] <_JakubS> Riddell: it really lost stylesheet
[09:15] <robin> */usr/bin/update-notifier(9370): libnotify: Error connecting to session bus: Unable to determine the address of the message bus
[09:16] <coruja> robin: do you have 'update-manager' installed already?
[09:16] <robin> coruja: eys
[09:16] <robin> *yes
[09:18] <coruja> robin: i haven't tested it myself, so i don't know what else might be missing to use it...
[09:18] <rodrigo> robin, which software uses libmpeg3-1
[09:18] <rodrigo> ?
[09:19] <coruja> and i suppose there will be something similar for adept soon
[09:19] <coruja> as there's already a kind of 'one-click-updater' ;)
[09:21] <aftertaf> sudo apt-get install  rules :)
[09:21] <rodrigo> it seems gstreamer0.8-mpeg2dec works but libmpeg3-1 doesn't help.
[09:22] <paulproteus> Riddell: Is there an FTP link, or only an HTTP one, for the ISOs?
[09:23] <Riddell> paulproteus: http only
[09:23] <Riddell> ftp is so 1980s
[09:23] <paulproteus> Riddell: True.
[09:23] <Riddell> torrent as well of course
[09:23] <paulproteus> I ask because I was thinking of mounting it as ftpfs and then hacking a torrent client to seed from the *remote* ftpfs-based file.
[09:24] <seaLne> ftp is so much faster tho when http is proxied and ftp isn't :-/
[09:28] <rodrigo> crimsun, are you there?
[09:28] <crimsun> yes
[09:29] <crimsun> I'm helping in a few channels, though, so my response will be lagged
[09:29] <paulproteus> Riddell: Structurally, how is Kubuntu organized?  Is it worked on by anyone except you?  Are you on Canonical payroll (if you don't mind my asking)?
[09:30] <aftertaf> lol
[09:30] <Riddell> paulproteus: the rest of the ubuntu developers help out as needed
[09:30] <rodrigo> crimsum,   Does this URL http://sh.nu/~crimsun/ belong ti u?
[09:31] <Riddell> paulproteus: there's some MOTUs and other developers on #kubuntu-devel who help
[09:31] <paulproteus> Riddell: Cool.
[09:31] <Riddell> paulproteus: I'm not on their payroll but I have had a control to finish hoary and then breezy
[09:31] <Riddell> contact
[09:31] <paulproteus> That's great. :)
[09:32] <paulproteus> Do you test at all on ppc?
[09:33] <Riddell> paulproteus: not much, I borrow an ibook from my brother at releases to make sure its sane, but I think there's issues there that I can't look at otherwise
[09:33] <paulproteus> Riddell: Cool. :)
[09:38] <crimsun> rodrigo: yes
[09:40] <rodrigo> nice flag
[09:41] <crimsun> come again?
[09:41] <rysiek> hi there
[09:42] <rysiek> I am quite new to apt-driven distros
[09:42] <rodrigo> I liked your URL's icon. It's a flag.
[09:42] <rysiek> and I want to upgrade from hoary to breezy
[09:43] <rysiek> on the webpage there's only short info: "edit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[09:43] <rysiek> just making sure: change all instances of hoary to breezy, right? :)
[09:46] <buz> is it better to seed the live cd or the install cd?
[09:46] <aftertaf> rysiek:  100% ;)
[09:46] <aftertaf> buz:  not same cd, depends what you want.
[09:46] <buz> i wrote seed
[09:46] <buz> which one needs seeds more
[09:46] <buz> live only got 4
[09:46] <Pwn3r> yep
[09:46] <buz> so i'll stay on that one for a while
[09:47] <rysiek> thx aftertaf :)
[09:47] <aftertaf> no pb:)
[09:47] <rysiek> cya guys after the upgrade ;)
[09:51] <robin> rodrigo: got it working?
[09:51] <knubbe> out already. nice.
[09:52] <rodrigo> yes. Thx very much. I appreciate a lot this channel.
[09:53] <apokryphos> does anyone ever leave that setting?
[09:53] <robin> apokryphos: not me
[09:53] <aftertaf> apokryphos:  lol. true, not best one ever :)
[09:54] <gibarian> hello everyone...I'm having trouble with kaffeine and the gstreamer...sound familiar to anyone?
[09:54] <_JakubS> me neither :-)
[09:54] <rodrigo> I Unfortunelly I add      deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sarge main to my Adept but it doesn't seem to find the libdvdcss pack, still!
[09:55] <aftertaf> rodrigo:  isnt there another way, mentioned by ebconf?
[09:55] <aftertaf> ebconf*
[09:55] <robin> gibarian: yes
[09:55] <aftertaf> crap kbd!    debconf*
[09:55] <aftertaf> gibarian:  me too...
[09:55] <robin> gibarian: what's the problem ?
[09:56] <knubbe> apokryphos: where do i change that setting?
[09:56] <gibarian> robin: well, when I start up kaffeine, I get an error message telling me that gstreamer_part couldn't be loaded....
[09:56] <gibarian> robin: then in kaffeine, there's simply no player...that field is empty
[09:57] <robin> gibarian: hmm, well I have installed all the gstreamer plugins, maybe that helps, don't know that error.. Btw, I like the xine engine for kaffeine better
[09:57] <apokryphos> knubbe: right click on kicker -> configure panel -> taskbar
[09:57] <gibarian> robin: I tried installing the xine engine as well...spewed all kinds of other error messages though
[09:58] <apokryphos> ergh, almost forgot kubuntuforums was using SMF. Yuck :P
[09:58] <knubbe> apokryphos: thanks! ive been looking for that one :-)
[09:58] <robin> gibarian: hmm, well the problem I have with Kaffeine is that is crash when I try to open a file, while allready a movie playing or loaded.
[09:59] <gibarian> robin: right...that's what happens to me once I open a file with the xine engine installed....it's really messed up, that whole thing
[10:00] <robin> gibarian: yes kaffeine likes to crash, badly. Maybe you should use xine-ui.
[10:01] <gibarian> robin: yeah...I've used KPlayer before, but since I've upgraded to breezy, synaptic won't allow me to install it anymore (unresolved dependencies, yadda,yadda)
[10:02] <robin> gibarian: kplayer uses mplayer right ?, it is not in the repositories (anymore?)
[10:02] <robin> gibarian: at least, I can't find it.
[10:03] <gibarian> robin: nope...you have to add that merrilat or whatever it is repository...
[10:03] <robin> gibarian: well I will stick to xine-ui.. it isn't that beautifull, but it works (although it crashes with fullscreen here..) :/
[10:05] <tygore> does mediawiki need mysql-client and mysql-server packages?
[10:05] <tygore> (they didn't get installed through apt-get mediawiki)
[10:06] <bjv> sed 's/[hH] oary/breezy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:06] <bjv> bad idea?  good idea?
[10:06] <bjv> breezy is theoretically ok to use now, right?
[10:06] <robin> try and find out ;)
[10:07] <bjv> :)
[10:07] <crimsun> rodrigo: ah. That's a friend's shell.
[10:07] <bjv> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Sources             lol, wtf?
[10:07] <bjv> my sed skillz must be rusty. :\
[10:08] <robin> :)
[10:09] <robin> does sed change the file immediatly ? you don't have to cat it back ?
[10:09] <robin> it is possible to launch a website from katapult (not bookmarks).
[10:09] <crimsun> robin: if you pass it -i for in-place
[10:09] <aftertaf> bjv:  breezy is ok to use.
[10:09] <robin> crimsun: thx
[10:12] <apokryphos> for anyone who may want to attend...
[10:12] <apokryphos> !release parties
[10:12] <ubotu> rumour has it, release parties is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseParty
[10:12] <aftertaf> lol
[10:17] <hanso> hi
[10:17] <rodrigo> good bye!
[10:17] <rodrigo> thx
[10:18] <SillyCone> I have just passed the first stage of installation of breezy and after I reboot, I see a text-mode grub shell. What should I do?
[10:20] <rdubs> anybody know how to get the gstramer updates
[10:28] <asraniel> why is kubuntu released earlier than ubuntu?
[10:28] <bjv> ?
[10:29] <asraniel> ah no, i was just wondering why on planet ubuntu there is only a release announcement for kubuntu
[10:29] <Riddell> asraniel: nobody else has blogged except me
[10:30] <aftertaf> SillyCone:  no message before reboot?
[10:31] <asraniel> i have the latest kubuntu RC installed, with all updates. is it not the final release?
[10:31] <SillyCone> aftertaf: the CD ejected and there was a message to take out the cd and reboot
[10:32] <SillyCone> Looks like grub is not configured protertly, but i dont know how to configure it now
[10:34] <nxv_> hi, with ctrl+tab i can cycle desktops. can i achieve a behaviour similar to alt+tab i want to switch between my last used desktops, when pressing ctrl+tab
[10:53] <paines> YEAH !
[10:53] <paines> 5.10 !
[10:53] <paines> dance dance dance
[10:54] <paines> hi
[10:54] <buz> as long as you dont start screaming developers while youre at it dancing is fine
[10:54] <knubbe> gibarian: VLC is nice.
[10:55] <aftertaf> SillyCone:  could well be your root partitoon isnt activated.
[10:55] <aftertaf> try aain, dude... :/
[10:56] <bjv> 5.10 has decided i dont deserve abiword?
[10:56] <knubbe> asraniel: if you have the 5.10 RC with the latest updates i assume you have the final.
[10:56] <bjv> i see it in the removed packages list, but not in the added.. o_O
[10:56] <knubbe> asraniel: (thats what i have too)
[10:59] <guinsel> hi
[11:00] <guinsel> i am using breezy, in konsole i used Linux font (Hoary) now i have one error Font `-misc-console-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-80-iso10646-1' not found.
[11:01] <Sho_> Hm - did I get that right, KMail+GPG & media:/+HAL are not working out of the box on 5.10?
[11:01] <guinsel> i have read /usr/share/doc/konsole/README.Linux-font but Linux font doesnt work
[11:05] <gibarian> knubbe: Well, I upgraded VLC to the newest version, and somehow it's now only accessible in GTK style (which is jagged and generally ugly), not in the QT style anymore...
[11:08] <aftertaf> *shameless KDE plug # 536* :D
[11:08] <knubbe> gibarian: oh, ok. i think it has always been gtk style here so im used to is :-)
[11:10] <nutate> congratulations on the release, i'm downloading via bittorrent right now
[11:38] <jeh_work> oh, breezy has 3.4.3
[11:38] <jeh_work> sexy!
[11:38] <buz> mine has 3.5 beta ;)
[11:39] <jeh_work> how does that compute?
[11:39] <buz> works well enough for me
[11:39] <jeh_work> i meant, did you get it from some other repo?
[11:40] <jeh_work> or was it default in some of the betas for breezy?
[11:40] <buz> theres a kubuntu.org repo for it
[11:40] <buz> deb http://kubuntu.org/kde35beta1 breezy main
[11:41] <jeh_work> ok
[11:41] <jeh_work> i'll try it when i update to breezy
[11:41] <buz> but dont complain if something goes wrong ;)
[11:41] <jeh_work> heh
[11:51] <robin>  /join #phpmyadmin
[11:56] <Sho_> jeh_work: Looks like 3.4.3 has its share of problems, though ..
[12:04] <`TUX`> uhmm
[12:08] <jeh_work> Sho_: such as? it shouldn't *add* problems compared to 3.4.2...
[12:12] <Sho_> jeh_work: From Riddels blog: "The last minute addition has caused some problems like KMail not working with GPG and media:/ not using HAL, I'll get fixes for those in -updates as soon as possible."
[12:12] <Sho_> +l
[12:12] <jeh_work> Sho_: ok, nothing really that bites me
[12:13] <jeh_work> but i wonder wether a normal ipod will work now
[12:14] <jeh_work> on hoary plugging it in just Oops:ed the kernel and killed the usb subsystem dead, required a reboot
[12:14] <raingrove> kubuntu mirrors are crazily slow
[12:15] <Sho_> jeh_work: Well, HAL not working is pretty serious IMO
[12:15] <jeh_work> Sho_: yeah, if you're used to stuff like that working
[12:16] <jeh_work> i haven't yet seen it work for me, not even on a fresh hoary. for my wife plugging in "normal" usb mp3 players works fine
[12:17] <jeh_work> all that hal/hotplug/udev/etc stuff just seems to make everything harder to use. it doesn't work and it's harder to find the real device to mount when dealing with some usb mass storage devices
[12:18] <Sho_> Although Kubuntu does an update pass on install if an internet connection is available, right?
[12:18] <jeh_work> in the good old days you just added the proper stuff to fstab and did a simple mount
[12:19] <jeh_work> Sho_: no idea, if you asked me
[12:20] <rodrigo> Hello, again!
[12:21] <rodrigo> I'd like to ask sth.
[12:22] <rodrigo> I've manually edited the kparm.conf file in order to put dma on by default in my DVD. Although system is saying "unknown separator" while loading hdparm in init.
[12:22] <rodrigo> any thoughts?
[12:23] <rodrigo> I followed the file guide lines.
[12:25] <kakalto> is it out?
[12:29] <jeh_work> kakalto: yes, if you mean breezy
[12:30] <kakalto> jeh_work, thanks =)
[12:31] <kakalto> I got caught up with gentoo, and missed the release rush
[12:31] <kakalto> unless that hasn't happened yet :P
[12:32] <jeh_work> kakalto: see /topic
[12:32] <jeh_work> there's a release announcement
[12:33] <kakalto> ty
[12:34] <kakalto> why do I always forget to check the topic...
[12:38] <charolastra> greetings
[12:39] <charolastra> a friend wants to DL the new releae but the 2 torrent links on the homepage arn't working; can anyone help?
[12:40] <paines> they work
[12:40] <paines> just downloading
[12:40] <paines> oh, wait, i am downloading the amd64 install iso
[12:43] <charolastra> 82.211.81.153 and 82.211.81.152 are not responding ...
[12:43] <smux> how can i downgrade ? i'm testing kde 3.5 and it's very unstable on my computer
[12:44] <kakalto> charolastra, they work for me...
[12:44] <kakalto> rather, the servers are responding
[12:45] <charolastra> they don't for me and my friend (not the same ISP btw)
[12:47] <paines> strange
[12:50] <robin> charolastra: for me neither
[12:50] <robin> probably busy.
[01:03] <mcscruff> hi, i downloaded 5.10RC the otherday (link from distrowatch) but now the proper 5.10 has been releaed, if i just use the adept-updater will it bring it upto date?
[01:06] <asraniel> mcscruff: yes it should
[01:06] <mcscruff> cheers
[01:06] <mcscruff> over 1000 updates
[01:08] <cb68> I am downloading the new Kubuntu  ! 290 Meg now ... yeah !
[01:08] <kakalto> whoo! go cb68 =D
[01:09] <mcscruff> i just hope i dont get the same port issues as i did with horay
[01:11] <kakalto> that was to do with xfree86 --> xorg, wasn't it?
[01:11] <kakalto> so it won't happen again...
[01:12] <slow-motion> hallo
[01:12] <mcscruff> lo
[01:12] <kakalto> allo
[01:12] <mcscruff> i wish i had added mp3 support before i started the update
[01:13] <paines> mcscruff, hrhr. yeah that sucks
[01:13] <mcscruff> in your opinion, whats the best sound engine?
[01:13] <paines> amarok-xine
[01:13] <paines> when using amarok
[01:14] <mcscruff> thats what i use :P
[01:14] <paines> very good
[01:14] <paines> arts suck donkey balls
[01:14] <mcscruff> and gstreamer dont :S
[01:14] <paines> gstreamer is too gnome-ish
[01:14] <mcscruff> is the package called amarok-xine in apt?
[01:14] <paines> yep
[01:15] <mcscruff> w00t 68% of the update
[01:15] <mcscruff> then i need to install vmware
[01:34] <jeh_work> is the new adept tool good?
[01:35] <jeh_work> i've only seen some old screenshots (the site is usually not reachable nowadays)
[01:36] <apokryphos> jeh_work: always seems to work fine here
[01:36] <jeh_work> apokryphos: nice
[01:36] <apokryphos> the look hasn't changed much
[01:36] <apokryphos> though that depends on which screenshots you're referring to exactly
[01:36] <jeh_work> i've used aptitude for some years now, but it sometime is a bit weird
[01:37] <jeh_work> apokryphos: some screenshots from july or something like that
[01:37] <jeh_work> the updater thing sounds like a really nice thing
[01:39] <apokryphos> jeh_work: you can use it now -- go for it :)
[01:40] <robin> jeh_work: synaptic is better IMHO
[01:40] <jeh_work> apokryphos: heh, i will, once i get home from work
[01:40] <jeh_work> robin: not really tried that one either. i'm an old fashioned guy
[01:40] <robin> jeh_work: try and you will see :)
[01:40] <jeh_work> robin: ok
[01:41] <apokryphos> adept is still in its early life; we'll have to wait and see how things pan out :)
[01:41] <paulproteus> Currently uploading the various Ubuntu ISOs at 1.7 megabytes per second.
[01:41] <paulproteus> Go, .edu, go!
[01:41] <robin> I agree, adept will be fine in the (near) future :), but synaptic got more features.
[01:42] <jeh_work> aptitude with all its fancy colors, menus and stuff was a huge step up from plain apt-get wrt looks
[01:42] <os2mac> can someone copy n paste me the torrent for i86_kubuntu install?
[01:42] <os2mac> I can't get the d/l server to come up ... I think it's /.'d
[01:42] <robin> it probably is.
[01:42] <robin> can't connect either.
[01:44] <apokryphos> it seems to load eventually
[01:44] <aftertaf> jeh_work:  adept is cool....   sometimes you revert to apt-get cos its not 100% on stable, but for most things its cool, and quite fast
[01:44] <apokryphos> try the torrents
[01:44] <jeh_work> aftertaf: nice
[01:44] <aftertaf> except on startup.... yeah.
[01:44] <aftertaf> on my PIII 500 :/
[01:44] <jeh_work> i'll try to convince my wife to update first to see what breaks...
[01:45] <gibarian> adept is the devil....I uninstalled KDE a few days ago by accident because adept didn't deem it necessary that one package was conflicting with my current KDE installation
[01:46] <_mindspin> anybody here upgraded from hoary to breezy via apt-get?
[01:46] <insanekane> _mindspin: yep, me
[01:46] <os2mac> I am trying to get to the torrent that's the point.... if someone could post the tracker url I wouldn't have to get the the webserver
[01:47] <_mindspin> do I just have to replace the hoary entries with breezy in sources.list?
[01:47] <apokryphos> !breezy
[01:47] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[01:48] <Cavallo> hi
[01:48] <apokryphos> hi
[01:48] <_mindspin> ok, just as I thoght , insanekane : and how's it running?
[01:48] <Cavallo> does anybody know where I can get kubuntu mirrors ?
[01:49] <os2mac> I am just trying to get a .torrent tracker for it.
[01:49] <wahur> Hello!
[01:50] <wahur> What is going on with download servers?Dead?
[01:50] <mati> overloaded i presume
[01:50] <mati> maybe someone knows some mirrors?
[01:51] <wahur> distrowatch has some but they show only hoary
[01:51] <apokryphos> mirrors are still syncing
[01:51] <os2mac> not dead just yet... but the magic smoke is starting to escape.
[01:51] <wahur> And BT has currently 2 seeds :(
[01:52] <Cavallo> where I can find mirros for packages ? I want to add it sources from my country to adpet
[01:52] <Cavallo> adept*
[01:52] <Juerd> I wonder if there are any ubuntu vs kubuntu download stats :)
[01:52] <apokryphos> the more it's used, the better it'll get; if you can't load the page at all: http://giannaros.org/kubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso.torrent
[01:52] <insanekane> _mindspin: yes, its running well
[01:52] <insanekane> _mindspin: what do you mean "just as I thought" ?
[01:53] <_mindspin> do I just have to replace the hoary entries with breezy in sources.list?
[01:53] <_mindspin> that's what in the upgrade site said
[01:53] <apokryphos> _mindspin: read what ubotu said
[01:53] <Cavallo> yes
[01:53] <os2mac> I am on the torrent know... thank you
[01:53] <_mindspin> apokryphos: it was just a quote
[01:54] <_mindspin> I#ve alredy read the file
[01:55] <mati> hah, got it going!
[01:55] <mati> ubotu tell me about upgrade
[01:55] <_mindspin> !upgrade
[01:55] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[01:56] <os2mac> some one just jumped on the torrent with a huge pipe.
[01:56] <apokryphos> =)
[01:56] <Juerd> os2mac: I've done so, but at 0.00% I don't think you will have noticed that
[01:57] <Juerd> Huge being 100 Mb/s
[01:57] <os2mac> I am getting 313kb/s from one person
[01:57] <Juerd> In 4 hours, it'll help seed :)
[01:58] <Cavallo>  where I can find mirros for packages ? I want to add it sources from my country to adpet
[01:58] <Juerd> Hmmm
[01:58] <Juerd> A chat protocol should be added to bittorrent
[01:58] <os2mac> why... we have irc.
[01:58] <Juerd> Broadcast the messages along the different routes
[01:59] <paulproteus> http://paulproteus.acm.jhu.edu/ubuntu-5.10/
[01:59] <Juerd> Because not everyone uses irc
[01:59] <Juerd> I'm not thinking only about distros now
[01:59] <Juerd> But movies too
[01:59] <paulproteus> High-speed mirror of the torrent files is at that URL.
[02:00] <apokryphos> good stuff :)
[02:00] <Juerd> Decentralized chat means no good way to impose limits on free speech
[02:00] <Juerd> Heh, my home box will take another 122 days to dowload kubuntu
[02:00] <Cavallo> lol
[02:00] <Juerd> Poor thing
[02:03] <mati> !test
[02:03] <ubotu> Crashed.
[02:03] <wahur> I cant get bittorrent going for some reason
[02:03] <apokryphos> wahur: are you using the ones in /topic ?
[02:04] <wahur> First I tried one from kubuntu download page
[02:04] <wahur> Got some 8%, then everyone just disappeared
[02:05] <apokryphos> Try the ones in /topic -- they seem to be working fine, though I can't seed behind this evil router :/
[02:05] <wahur> Now tried this giannaros link and it does not start anymore
[02:05] <mati> anyone knows when the repos will be updated?
[02:05] <mati> or are they already?
[02:06] <apokryphos> wahur: remove any data/torrents you had previously, and just use one of the ones from here http://paulproteus.acm.jhu.edu/ubuntu-5.10/
[02:06] <apokryphos> mati: updated to....?
[02:07] <mati> apokryphos: erm, to contain breezy packages
[02:08] <apokryphos> the repository won't be changed; you'll have to change your sources. Read...
[02:08] <apokryphos> !breezy
[02:08] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[02:08] <mati> apokryphos: so that i can just s/breezy/hoary in my sources.list, and go apt-get ddist-upgrade
[02:08] <apokryphos> s/hoary/breezy/ you mean :) -- and yes, you can do that now
[02:08] <apokryphos> (and are recommended to)
[02:09] <mati> apokryphos: what i'm asking is: Is my repository (pl.archive.ubuntu.com) is up-to-date?
[02:11] <wahur> Dammit, nothing helps. It just stands there.
[02:12] <apokryphos> mati: you mean, has it synced yet? Most probably
[02:12] <apokryphos> of course it would have contained breezy from many months ago
[02:12] <mati> apokryphos: that's what I meant, thanks
[02:18] <mati> k, thanks everyone
[02:23] <satafterh> what that command for disrto upgraade
[02:23] <os2mac> what can I expect Kubuntu installer to do when I try to load this on my laptop with winxp loaded.?
[02:24] <os2mac> it's going to format the drive correct?
[02:26] <MEtaLpREs> nice kubuntu was released today? i thought it was getting delyaed?
[02:26] <robin_2> MEtaLpREs: it has been released.
[02:27] <jeh_work> satafterh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[02:27] <satafterh> yes
[02:27] <MEtaLpREs> that must be why the servers are so slow today trying to use apt-get
[02:28] <satafterh> sersers a littlr busy today
[02:31] <Firetech> should I do a complete backup before upgrading hoary to breezy?
[02:31] <robin_2> backups are always wise.
[02:31] <Firetech> ok
[02:31] <Firetech> :)
[02:32] <robin_2> if you don't need them, they are only a waste of time, but better than losing your data :)
[02:33] <os2mac> 92% on bit torrent
[02:33] <jeh_work> an upgrade should not touch /home (which is where any important data should be)
[02:33] <Juerd> Firetech: Do a backup of your data and configuration, as the rest of the system is easily replaced with either the old or the new version.
[02:33] <Juerd> jeh_work: There can be more important data in /var
[02:34] <Firetech> well, I have some custom packages and "manually" compiled programs
[02:34] <os2mac> stupid question ... how do you back up your config?
[02:34] <Juerd> jeh_work: Like databases that applications (including some financial ones!) might have stored through system wide services
[02:34] <jeh_work> Juerd: true, and an upgrade should not really touch those either
[02:34] <Firetech> better tojust grab it all, I have space :P
[02:34] <jeh_work> Juerd: and mail, news etc
[02:34] <Juerd> Firetech: If you have the space, by all means, copy it all :)
[02:34] <Juerd> Firetech: Should you tar, then be careful to preserve links and stuff like that
[02:35] <Firetech> I have 150GB unpartitioned on the local drive, and a little more on a server here at home
[02:35] <Juerd> I use tar --ignore-failed-read -czpP
[02:35] <Juerd> I have a RAID 1 array
[02:35] <Juerd> I just unplugged one
[02:35] <Firetech> Juerd: I've done it once, before I set my computer up with a "correct" partition table (LVM)
[02:36] <CaiN_SA> amazing my fstab file is missing but somebhow my distro is still booting rofl
[02:36] <jeh_work> hm, i should actualy put a backup going now...
[02:36] <Juerd> CaiN_SA: It'll boot with the root filesystemmounted read only, and without some needed system filesystems
[02:36] <Juerd> CaiN_SA: Try to restore the fstab file
[02:36] <CaiN_SA> nope Juerd 
[02:37] <CaiN_SA> it works perfectly
[02:37] <CaiN_SA> lol
[02:37] <CaiN_SA> rw mode and all
[02:37] <CaiN_SA> its weird
[02:37] <Juerd> CaiN_SA: In that case, it has the fstab somewhere :)
[02:37] <CaiN_SA> nope :P
[02:37] <CaiN_SA> it has fstab file
[02:37] <Juerd> It doesn't guess these things.
[02:37] <CaiN_SA> but only this in it :
[02:37] <CaiN_SA>  /dev/foo / ignore defaults 0 0
[02:37] <CaiN_SA> lol
[02:38] <os2mac> d/l complete.... seeding now.
[02:41] <Firetech> what will happen with my settings on upgrade, considering the new defaults?
[02:44] <Juerd> The upgrade procedure will ask you what to do
[02:44] <Juerd> Per configuration file that you have changed, you have the option to keep it or replace it
[02:45] <robin_2> they still haven't fix the usbstick problem :/
[02:46] <os2mac> Release just hit slashdot.... stand by for the smoking server
[02:46] <Juerd> My bittorrent client is uploading at a whopping 8 Mb/s (820 kB/s)
[02:46] <apokryphos> wow
[02:46] <apokryphos> slashdot article didn't mention Kubuntu.. great :/
[02:46] <Juerd> And the download is a mere 150 kB/s
[02:46] <Juerd> Yeah, kubuntu is often ignored :(
[02:47] <Juerd> While we all know it pwns ubuntu
[02:47] <Juerd> I really wonder which one is downloaded more
[02:48] <asraniel> are there any stats about that?
[02:48] <Juerd> Probably not
[02:48] <Juerd> It's impossible to know how often it has been leeched with bittorrent
[02:49] <apokryphos> Ubuntu gets a lot more downloads, certainly
[02:51] <robin_2> yeah and when they all see the ugly gnome, the probably will install kubuntu right away :)
[02:51] <os2mac> someone just mentioned Kubuntu on the comments
[02:52] <apokryphos> was just about to but login kept timing out; weird
[02:53] <apokryphos> bobuse: you still didn't poitn out the actual typing error
[02:53] <apokryphos> bobuse: oh, you were talking about channel topic. Why didn't you say?
[02:54] <bobuse> apokryphos: Yes
[02:54] <bobuse> I'm french ^^
[02:54] <bobuse> apokryphos: it's ok
[02:54] <apokryphos> changed now; thanks
[02:59] <CaiN_SA> ok ne i need help
[02:59] <CaiN_SA> my auto run works
[03:00] <CaiN_SA> but konqueror opens it wrong with it auto runs
[03:00] <CaiN_SA> it tries to open /dev/sda2 etc
[03:00] <CaiN_SA> any ideas how i can fix it ?
[03:05] <GNAM> kubuntu dvd here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/breezy/release/ is final?
[03:06] <apokryphos> GNAM: yes
[03:07] <GNAM> ok, i'll start download.
[03:07] <GNAM> torrent.
[03:07] <apokryphos> cool; thank you :)
[03:09] <BlankB> So there is a cd and dvd release?
[03:09] <apokryphos> correct
[03:09] <apokryphos> the DVD contains the live+install and a few other packs
[03:11] <BlankB> gnam: On the url above @cdimage I show no seeds for the i386 dvd. Is that the same one you are getting?
[03:12] <GNAM> asuasuas
[03:13] <GNAM> no, a moment, i must configure my router for torrents ;)
[03:14] <Cavallo> where I can set other language keyboard at KDE login ?
[03:16] <helpme> hmm..how many here have already downloaded & installed breezy?
[03:16] <mcscruff> me
[03:17] <MEtaLpREs> should the upgrade from rc to final release only take like 45 secs or am i doing something wrong?
[03:17] <MEtaLpREs> i was expecting it to take longer
[03:18] <helpme> mcscruff: so may i have ur feedback:) or a mini revew?
[03:19] <apokryphos> a lot faster
[03:19] <apokryphos> kde 3.4.3
[03:19] <apokryphos> and a lot of other convenient new things
[03:19] <mcscruff> ok
[03:19] <mcscruff> i love it
[03:19] <mcscruff> :P
[03:19] <mcscruff> simple
[03:19] <ep> i need the secret non-busy server
[03:20] <mcscruff> tbh i havent noticed alot of "better" features  over horay but it does have a newer kde
[03:21] <mcscruff> the kdm screen is nice
[03:21] <mcscruff> and the bootup is nicer
[03:21] <mcscruff> its a little more eye apepaling
[03:22] <apokryphos> more mentioned on the anouncement
[03:22] <apokryphos> also rubberband is nice :P
[03:22] <mcscruff> rubberband?
[03:23] <ep> downloading at 487kb per second.  That any good?
[03:23] <apokryphos> the new coloured-in-type-selection
[03:23] <helpme> mcscruff: hmm....did u install via cd or dvd?
[03:23] <mcscruff> cd
[03:23] <mcscruff> install is the same
[03:23] <klap> hi
[03:24] <mcscruff> its just all updated and a little faster
[03:24] <apokryphos> aloha
[03:24] <klap> the bittorrent is supposed to be working ? :)
[03:24] <helpme> hmm...do u see  a graphical bootsplash?
[03:24] <mcscruff> yea
[03:24] <klap> ha it just started
[03:24] <klap> it waited for 10 minutes doing nothing :)
[03:24] <mcscruff> its blue :O, the beta was ubuntu colour
[03:25] <mcscruff> but why is kopete so crap?
[03:25] <mcscruff> i think it needs updating
[03:25] <bufalo73> hi
[03:26] <helpme> mcscruff: can i see webcams in kopete?
[03:26] <MrPoke> I just want kopete to tell me when someone is mobile
[03:26] <MrPoke> that is the one thing that keeps me on gaim 
[03:26] <mcscruff> no idea :S
[03:28] <helpme> mcscruff: so breezy has a new graphical bootup:) ??
[03:28] <shogouki> are there some special repository for kubuntu breezy ? or i just have to take ubuntu's one ?
[03:29] <mcscruff> yes
[03:29] <mcscruff> helpme, you could try the livecd or try it in something liek vmware
[03:30] <helpme> MrPoke: yahoo chatrooms in gaim keeps me on gaim:)
[03:31] <eXtreme22> i iinstall ubuntu,KDE, i have winmodem smartlink, i install driver sl-modem-daemon
[03:31] <eXtreme22> ... query modem on KPPP is work but ATDTnumber fail no dialtone ???
[03:33] <eXtreme22> any ?
[03:34] <GNAM> yes, there's a problem with torrent
[03:34] <GNAM> no
[03:34] <GNAM> ok, 2 peers
[03:35] <GNAM> assausau
[03:36] <GNAM> uhm peers are not downloading
[03:37] <GNAM> now i'll try site on topic
[03:37] <GNAM> no dvd.
[03:38] <helpme> where can i download kubuntu dvd?
[03:39] <dorkiaa> why do you want a kubuntu DVD?
[03:39] <dorkiaa> cd is fine
[03:39] <dorkiaa> you don't need DVD
[03:40] <bufalo73> dorkiaa, maybe to install it in a "netless" computer?
[03:41] <dorkiaa> but why DVD?
[03:41] <helpme> dorkiaa: im on slow & limited internet.....dvd will let me save bandwidth so plz
[03:41] <os2mac> is it normal for the partitioner to go to a  blue screen while it's repartioning?
[03:42] <dorkiaa> helpme, i don't know
[03:42] <dorkiaa> sorry
[03:42] <helpme> i hunted online but couldnt find any link:(........any idea where i can order kubuntu dvd?
[03:43] <dorkiaa> shipit.ubuntu.com?
[03:43] <dorkiaa> it is not DVD
[03:43] <dorkiaa> it is a CD
[03:43] <bufalo73> a shame then
[03:46] <martinjh99> Anyone else getting slow updates from their archive??? ;)
[03:46] <os2mac> and they only do unbuntu CD's
[03:47] <os2mac> s/unbuntu/ubuntu
[03:47] <dorkiaa> Kubuntu CD and DVD ISOs are available for the 5.10 release for PCs (i386), Mac (PowerPC) and 64-bit PCs (AMD64).
[03:47] <helpme> what do u use to rip dvds?
[03:48] <SuperSonix> Yo guys ! Can i find kubuntu with all the packages ? I dont have fast connection and is big problem for me !
[03:48] <helpme> dorkiaa: i cant find dvd images......
[03:48] <helpme> hey same here!
[03:49] <martinjh99> Are there shipit kubuntu cd's???
[03:49] <helpme> SuperSonix: what u mean: all the packages? get hold of kubuntu dvd.......
[03:49] <helpme> martinjh99: no
[03:49] <Tm_T> martinjh99: but you can buy one
[03:50] <martinjh99> TM_T > Did a dist-upgrade a couple of days ago to beat the rush... ;)
[03:50] <SuperSonix> I mean packages like: GCC, Codecs and other stuff i dont nedded in my 2 days working on Ubuntu 5.04...
[03:51] <SuperSonix> I cant download every think thet miss !
[03:51] <SuperSonix> How can i istall something without a compailer !?
[03:52] <SuperSonix> hey !?
[03:53] <helpme> SuperSonix: im not registered nick so cant pm u
[03:53] <helpme> how to register my nick??
[03:54] <Tm_T> helpme: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
[03:54] <SuperSonix> ./nickserve register help
[03:54] <SuperSonix> withuot the dot
[03:54] <SuperSonix> and then read
[03:55] <SuperSonix> ;)
[03:55] <ThomasZ> Could someone fix that and place a new one?
[03:55] <rikva> I'm running the RC1, do I need to upgrade or something?
[03:56] <Tm_T> rikva: if you have done updating regularly, you're on recent breezy :)
[03:57] <rikva> Tm_T: ok thank you
[03:57] <SuperSonix> gts = got to sleep :)
[03:57] <helpme> man wheres kubuntu dvd!!!!!!!!!!
[03:57] <slow-motion> bye
[04:00] <dorkiaa> SuperSonix, why sleep?
[04:00] <dorkiaa> it's only 17:00
[04:01] <Tm_T> dorkiaa: yup
[04:01] <Tm_T> helpme: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/breezy/release/
[04:05] <helpme> Tm_T: thanks:)
[04:06] <_droid_> do you have to upgrade ubuntu before doing a kubuntu-desktop with regards to upgrading to breezy?
[04:06] <tygore> OK! I finally figured out that apt-get install mediawiki misses something
[04:06] <_droid_> using apt
[04:06] <tygore> what can I do? (file a bug?)
[04:06] <_droid_> from hoary
[04:07] <Tm_T> helpme: btw less yelling please ;)
[04:07] <_droid_> anyone upgraded to breezy from hoary with apt?
[04:08] <Tm_T> _droid_: yu
[04:08] <tygore> IMHO "mediawiki must depend on mysql-server-4.1" (at least it could save me 12 hours)
[04:08] <delmonico> no it must not
[04:08] <delmonico> you can use a remote mysqld
[04:08] <Tm_T> _droid_: just change sources.list and do apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:09] <_droid_> i already did that and I have run apt update
[04:09] <Tm_T> yu
[04:09] <Tm_T> _droid_: also do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop to make sure you have all packages you need :=)
[04:09] <Tm_T> -=
[04:09] <ThomasZ> anyone else has problems with the 5.10 live CD being a DVD-iso?
[04:09] <_droid_> so just do  dist-upgrade then run kubuntu-desktop?
[04:10] <Tm_T> _droid_: yes
[04:10] <Tm_T> _droid_: and apt-get update ofcourse
[04:10] <Tm_T> firs
[04:10] <Tm_T> t
[04:10] <_droid_> thanks Tm_T
[04:10] <Tm_T> np
[04:11] <_droid_> just ran dist-upgrade hope nothing explodes
[04:11] <martinjh99> What are the options in fstab to make Ubuntu ignore mounting it on bootup??  I want my NTFS drive to be in the fstab but not mounted automatically.
[04:11] <ThomasZ> martinjh99: noauto
[04:11] <martinjh99> Cool - Will try that ta!
[04:13] <martinjh99> dev/hda1          /media/ntfs   ntfs   uid=1000,gid=1000,noauto 0 0
[04:13] <martinjh99> Will that work then..?
[04:13] <Firetech> kubuntu breezy is more newbie friendly than kubuntu hoary, right? (Not that I'm a newbie, I'm just curious... Hoary was kind of betaish from the beginning...)
[04:13] <helpme> does breezy automount win partitions and other linux partitions?
[04:14] <martinjh99> helpme> Should do if they are in fstab
[04:16] <helpme> is kubuntu breezy daily build the same thing?
[04:16] <ep> Just downloaded an iso from link given above.   I've got the Md5 sum but what do i check it against?
[04:16] <_bb> any idea where the KDE 3.5 beta1, formerly known as: http://www.kubuntu.org/kde-35beta1.php has vanished to ?
[04:17] <helpme> ep: wow u must be having super fast connection! wish i had it toooooo!
[04:17] <JabberWokky> Any reason to exit kde when doing a dist-upgrade?
[04:17] <ep> actually this link: ttp://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/5.10/
[04:18] <JabberWokky> (I was going to kill X and upgrade from a virtual console, but it occurs to me that nowadays that might not be necessary)
[04:19] <buz> it says something about using failsafe mode
[04:19] <buz> i just did it on the console
[04:20] <JabberWokky> buz: Okay, thanks. I'll probably do the same. I figured that there may be no reason to do so. I've started to be damn impressed by the foolsproof nature of *nix nowadays.
[04:22] <delphiuk> what's the best way of changing the screen resolution, when kde only allows a maximum choice of 640x480?
[04:23] <lolo> il y a qqun
[04:23] <ep> I know I can mount and browse the iso file somehow, but its not as simple as a mouse click. Is the Md5 sum including in the iso file?  If so, does the burning software typically check it?   I want  to verify the Md5 sum.  
[04:23] <helpme> whoa so much excitement here abt breezy:)
[04:24] <delphiuk> ep: you can do that from within k3b I believe
[04:24] <ep> yes k3b is giving me the Md5 sum.  Now how do i know that its the CORRECT one?
[04:25] <delphiuk> ep: oh, i see. is it not listed on the website where you downloaded the file from?
[04:25] <ep> yes
[04:25] <delphiuk> do they match?
[04:26] <ep> no its not listed, it was an http site.  Just got a pop-up and said go.
[04:26] <delphiuk> ep: I see. maybe they will upload them later
[04:27] <ep> :) ok
[04:30] <KeiserSuse> Are torrents working?
[04:31] <hussam> I have ntp port blocked my ISP, how would I stop ntpupdate at boot?
[04:31] <helpme> firefox says size of breezy iso is 655.9 MB but opera says its 640.5 MB!! how do i download the iso?
[04:31] <helpme> the cd install iso.....
[04:32] <helpme> how do i download the breezy iso...plz help!
[04:32] <_bb> Torrents working great
[04:32] <_bb> helpme > How do you usualy download stuff from the internet ? klik and save ;0)
[04:33] <helpme> but why opera & FF are giving me diff sizes for the same iso!
[04:33] <_bb> and thats 'click' not 'klik'
[04:33] <photon> Hello
[04:34] <helpme> _bb: but why opera & FF are giving me diff sizes for the same iso!
[04:34] <KeiserSuse> _bb: it seems that I can't download http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/5.10/kubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso.torrent
[04:37] <robin_2> someone got a workarround for the usbstick problem ?
[04:38] <helpme> firefox says size of breezy iso is 655.9 MB but opera says its 640.5 MB!! how do i download the iso?
[04:38] <robin_2> click on the link.
[04:38] <buz> helpme: sure youre looking at the same iso
[04:38] <helpme> yup
[04:39] <robin_2> can I still download RC1 ?
[04:39] <robin_2> it works better.
[04:41] <delphiuk> helpme: I wouldn't worry about it.
[04:42] <Gingillo> Hi, i need help
[04:43] <delphiuk> Gingillo: you've come to the right place :)
[04:43] <Gingillo> :)
[04:44] <Gingillo> I don't know what version of kubuntu i must download
[04:44] <Gingillo> im a windows user
[04:44] <Gingillo> and i want to change
[04:45] <chakie> heh, all the servers seem to be pretty busy...
[04:45] <delphiuk> Gingillo: Do you know what hardware you have?
[04:45] <Gingillo> oh
[04:45] <Gingillo> i think yes
[04:46] <delphiuk> Gingillo: or rather, do you know what "prcessor" you have?
[04:46] <Gingillo> yes i know
[04:46] <Gingillo> wait a second
[04:47] <delphiuk> Gingillo: Changes are, you'll probably be safe with the i386 install one
[04:48] <delphiuk> unless you have a mac of course :)
[04:48] <Gingillo> hey
[04:48] <Gingillo> i received help by a friend
[04:48] <Gingillo> thanks alot
[04:48] <Gingillo> u are very friendly ;)
[04:48] <delphiuk> Your welcome
[04:49] <Gingillo> i'll take this
[04:49] <Gingillo> kubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso.torrent    
[04:49] <delphiuk> do you have a bittorent client?
[04:49] <Gingillo> yes i use azureus
[04:49] <Gingillo> thanks
[04:49] <delphiuk> then that's the file you want
[04:51] <chakie> whee, a lot of stuff to download: "890 upgraded, 358 newly installed, 41 to remove"
[04:52] <spiral> hi
[04:53] <helpme> which bittorrrent client to use to download breezy iso? im newbie
[04:53] <delphiuk> helpme: you on windows?
[04:55] <helpme> no linux
[04:56] <delphiuk> helpme: not sure then, other than the official bittorent client?
[04:57] <beast> helpme: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/bittorrent/BitTorrent-4.0.4.exe?download
[04:57] <mcben> hi every body
[04:58] <beast> helpme: another option: http://bittornado.com/download.html
[05:00] <helpme> i have azeureus
[05:00] <helpme> how to download breezy with it?
[05:01] <beast> helpme: i don't have azeureus installed, but most likely, you would download a .torrent file of breezy and then open that torrent file to download breezy
[05:02] <helpme> i opened it...what next??
[05:03] <BooZee> I downloaded kubuntu 5.10 with my windows, burned the image on cd (yes, I know how to burn an image), but the cd doesn't work!
[05:03] <BooZee> it's not booting to it, and windows says it's unknown when i try to enter the cd
[05:03] <robin_2> BooZee: did you verify it ?
[05:03] <mcben> i've just upgrade to kubuntu breezy. what should i have to do to beneficit from laptop management enhancement of breezy ?
[05:03] <robin_2> BooZee: probably something went wrong burning it.
[05:03] <BooZee> how can I verify it?
[05:03] <oSx> hey can i use hoary repositories with breezy?
[05:03] <robin_2> BooZee: nero can.
[05:04] <beast> helpme: wait until it has been completely downloaded, and then burn the iso image
[05:04] <mcben> for the moment, i didn't see any changes
[05:04] <BooZee> how do I do it with nero?
[05:04] <BooZee> how can I verify it?
[05:04] <sproingie> BooZee: how many files show up on the CD?  one, or a bunch?
[05:05] <BooZee> i can't enter the cd!
[05:05] <BooZee> it's says it's corrupted or something...
[05:05] <sproingie> you burned a coaster.  try again with a slower speed
[05:06] <BooZee> but the burning went just fine, and nero even showed the size of the disk..
[05:06] <Toma-> how long is it gonna take for kubuntu to populate the mirrors :(
[05:06] <sproingie> did it verify as okay against the md5?
[05:07] <sproingie> if the burn went ok, it should boot.  otherwise the channels would be screaming with complaints about it
[05:07] <JabberWokky> ARUGH!
[05:07] <JabberWokky> (Just kidding - my burn went fine)
[05:07] <DaSkreech> COMPLIAINTS!!!
[05:08] <os2mac> install complete no errors
[05:09] <buz> my install doesnt work so good
[05:09] <buz> but i think the cdrom might be at fault
[05:10] <BooZee> how can I verify it against the md5
[05:11] <delphiuk> Toma-: try and use bittorrent if possbiel
[05:11] <pointwood> anyone able to get the kubuntu torrent?
[05:11] <Gingillo> i did
[05:11] <Toma-> delphiuk: i couldnt get the torrent. the main site wont connect so i can get the torrent :(
[05:12] <Gingillo> i taked it by there http://paulproteus.acm.jhu.edu/ubuntu-5.10/
[05:12] <delphiuk> Toma-: Yes, I am in the same boat at the moment
[05:12] <Toma-> thanks Gingillo !
[05:13] <Gingillo> lol np ;)
[05:13] <Toma-> im surpised the ubuntu/kubuntu site is still standing with all this traffic
[05:13] <helpme> BooZee: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/tipsntrix.html#tipsntrix
[05:13] <delphiuk> Toma-: that's linux for you ;)
[05:13] <Toma-> hehe
[05:15] <Toma-> gogo torrent!
[05:15] <pointwood> doesn't really matter for me anyway - just wanted to help out with the torrent :)
[05:16] <Toma-> yay! 260kb/s
[05:16] <helpme> BooZee: if ure having problems, i suggest u buy the kubuntu cd...it will save u from a lot of hassle & unsuccessful downloads
[05:16] <Toma-> or use the torrent. bittorrent has error checking. then u burn at x2 or x4 and youll be fine
[05:16] <BooZee> how can I know if the download is complete and successful?
[05:17] <pointwood> md5 sum
[05:17] <BooZee> how do I do that?
[05:17] <pointwood> k3b do it automatically :)
[05:17] <BooZee> what is k3b?
[05:17] <pointwood> oh...you're on winders?
[05:18] <helpme> BooZee: r u on linux or windows?
[05:18] <BooZee> i downloaded it on windows.
[05:18] <delphiuk> BooZee: It's KDE's equavalent to Nero
[05:18] <pointwood> k3b is an app. to burn CD's
[05:18] <helpme> if in linux check it with k3b
[05:18] <BooZee> currently i'm in ubuntu 5.04 (gnome)
[05:18] <pointwood> man md5 :)
[05:18] <helpme> kubuntu is so much better than ubuntu:)
[05:19] <Toma-> errr
[05:19] <Toma-> man md5sum
[05:19] <Toma-> is better
[05:19] <BooZee> how can I access my windows hard disk? (i got two - one for windows, one for linux
[05:19] <pointwood> Toma-: erhm, yeah, my bad :)
[05:19] <Toma-> ;)
[05:20] <robin_2> BooZee: /dev/hda5       /mnt/windows    ntfs    ro,user,umask=000       0       0  (/etc/fstab)
[05:20] <pointwood> I very seldom use it
[05:20] <pointwood> since k3b handles it :)
[05:20] <robin_2> and switch /dev/hda5 with your windows partition 
[05:20] <helpme> BooZee: is it ntfs or fat32?
[05:20] <Toma-> BooZee: sudo mount /dev/hda /mnt/
[05:20] <BooZee> both
[05:20] <helpme> BooZee: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[05:21] <BooZee> i guess i'll better do the md5 check sum in windows...
[05:21] <BooZee> do you know any windows tool for it?
[05:21] <helpme> BooZee: u'll find most ur questions answered there....but do try kubuntu breezy its MUCH BETTER & SLICKER:)
[05:21] <helpme> BooZee: for what?
[05:21] <BooZee> for md5 checksum
[05:21] <helpme> BooZee: sorry no
[05:22] <Gingillo> what tipe of modem do i need for the kubuntu os?
[05:22] <Gingillo> an ethernet one
[05:22] <pointwood> BooZee: http://www.etree.org/md5com.html
[05:22] <BooZee> well what should the kubuntu 5.10 checksum should be?
[05:22] <Gingillo> or an usb one
[05:22] <Gingillo> ?
[05:22] <helpme> BooZee: depends on whether ur referring to cd or dvd image
[05:22] <BooZee> cd
[05:23] <helpme> Gingillo: an ethernet would work very well i think
[05:23] <Gingillo> ok thanks
[05:23] <helpme> BooZee: http://82.211.81.153/kubuntu/5.10/MD5SUMS
[05:23] <BooZee> didn't managed to find the dvd one anyway..
[05:24] <oSx> hey anyone know if the extra repositories in unoffical ubuntuguide works with 5.10?
[05:24] <BooZee> o.k.
[05:24] <BooZee> thank you!
[05:24] <helpme> for dvd http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/breezy/release/MD5SUMS
[05:25] <helpme> oSx: better ask in #ubuntu channel
[05:26] <oSx> ok...
[05:29] <DaSkreech> So 6.04 is looking at KDE4?
[05:29] <Toma-> DaSkreech: lets hope
[05:35] <bobokaka> howdy,
[05:36] <bobokaka> can anybody here tell me the md5 of the kubuntu cd download?
[05:37] <Toma-> i386?
[05:37] <bobokaka> yep
[05:39] <bobuse> bobokaka: 1dae9ca81cf3eb1dbe7966f39a39daf3
[05:40] <tucoz> Hi, I am having trouble with fonts in emacs. Using breezy. All charcters show up as boxes
[05:40] <bobokaka> bobuse: are you sure? for this file? kubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso
[05:41] <Toma-> tucoz: youre missing a font..
[05:41] <bobuse> bobokaka: yes on my downloaded iso : md5sum kubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso
[05:41] <tucoz> Toma-, Yes, probably. I think I have installed every font package I could find in synaptic
[05:42] <Toma-> hmm
[05:42] <bobokaka> damn.. than my download is corrupted!! i've been downloading it for 7 hours!!!
[05:42] <bobuse> bobokaka: http://82.211.81.153/kubuntu/5.10/MD5SUMS
[05:42] <delphiuk> bobokaka:did you download via the torrent?
[05:42] <Toma-> bobokaka: u should have used bittorrent
[05:43] <tucoz> It is really weird. If I bring up the shift+mouse-left menu, and try to change a font there, it either just makes the boxes a different size, or tells me that it can't find the font
[05:43] <delphiuk> JabberWokky: and how long did it take to download breezy? ;)
[05:44] <tucoz> Toma-, shouldn't the emacs21 package set up this automatically?
[05:44] <bobokaka> whats the bittorent client name in hoary gnome?
[05:44] <Toma-> tucoz: i should hope so.  didnt have an old .emacs folder in your ~ did you?
[05:44] <tucoz> This was a clean install
[05:44] <tucoz> *fresh
[05:44] <Toma-> i see
[05:45] <Toma-> could be your locale settings?
[05:45] <tucoz> bobokaka, gnome-btdownload
[05:45] <pointwood> I run kubuntu hoary + KDE 3.5 beta for hoary, what is the recommended way to upgrade to breezy?
[05:45] <tucoz> hmm, I think that it is norwegian
[05:45] <arafat> does anybody know why i cannot adjust my volume settings through kmix or alsamixer? simply has no effect when moving the volume controls... However, i can adjust the volume in amarok(w/gstreamer)! in xmms, it does not work.
[05:45] <Toma-> could be the problem... im only guessing tho :(
[05:46] <tucoz> Sure, thanks for the help. I think I try to remove emacs, and install it again
[05:46] <tucoz> And see if that makes me happy
[05:46] <Toma-> good idea ;)
[05:49] <Toma-> share rating 1.2 :(
[05:49] <rikva> pointwood: don't dist-upgrade, this borked my system. I also had the kde 3.5 beta
[05:50] <rikva> pointwood: I did a fresh install, omitting my homedir
[05:50] <Toma-> is kde 3.5 the bomb?
[05:50] <philipacamaniac> my Kubuntu computer died hard yesterday. sigh.
[05:50] <pointwood> rikva: ok, I won't do that then :)
[05:50] <rikva> Toma-: kde 3.5 is cool
[05:50] <rikva> pointwood: you can try it though, but I ended up with a system without kicker 
[05:50] <rikva> pointwood: because of dependencies, I couldn't install it
[05:51] <Toma-> col
[05:51] <Toma-> cool even
[05:51] <pointwood> rikva: I don't want to kill my system :)
[05:52] <rikva> understandable
[05:52] <pointwood> will a dist-upgrade upgrade the kernel as well?
[05:52] <tucoz> pointwood, yes
[05:52] <hussam> how do I stop ntupdate from running at bootup ? it's useless since my ISP blocks NTP.
[05:53] <pointwood> k
[05:53] <pointwood> I'm not sure I dare upgrade :)
[05:53] <bobokaka> jabberwokky, how did you downloaded with bittorrent in 10 min?!
[05:54] <pointwood> with a fast connection ;)
[05:54] <bobokaka> it's downloading in 30kb/s!!
[05:54] <philipacamaniac> anyone ever lost an entire ext3 journal?
[05:54] <philipacamaniac> :(
[05:55] <rikva> bobokaka: at how much percent are you?
[05:55] <bobokaka> 1.0
[05:55] <bobokaka> :-(
[05:55] <rikva> I think it will get faster.
[05:55] <rikva> did you set it to unlimited speed?
[05:56] <bobokaka> how do I do that? it is unlimited speed in down or up load?
[05:56] <pointwood> bittorrent also depends on your upload speed
[05:56] <pointwood> furthermore, it often starts slow and then speeds up
[05:57] <rikva> ... that.
[06:00] <philipacamaniac> I'm on a T1, and I can't even bring up the download IPs. Has it gone to all the mirrors yet?
[06:00] <philipacamaniac> stupid slashdot
[06:01] <pointwood> the torrent timed out here too
[06:01] <pointwood> no big deal to me though
[06:02] <philipacamaniac> :( my computer died yesterday so it's a big deal for me
[06:02] <DaSkreech> So what are you going to install it on?
[06:02] <JabberWokky> bobokaka: I started the torrent with a 5k upload, and it took 20 minutes to get to 4 percent.  I then unlimited the upload, left to drive my fiance to work, and when I came back it was seeding.  If you're stingy on uploads, you get a lousy rate.
[06:03] <JabberWokky> Adelphia cable modem.
[06:03] <philipacamaniac> DaSkreech: well, rather, my hard disk took a bite out of my ext3 journal.
[06:03] <apokryphos> pointwood: you using the one from /topic?
[06:03] <JabberWokky> philipacamaniac: No file system can survive a sufficent hardware failure.
[06:04] <JabberWokky> "Well, we tossed the drive into a wood chipper and were *shocked* that ReiserFS lost data!"
[06:04] <MikeStyle> hey guys, i have a problem. whenever i use firefox its trying to use totem instead of mplayer, and totem doesnt work
[06:04] <pointwood> apokryphos: ahhh...hadn't seen that :)
[06:04] <philipacamaniac> JabberWokky: well, I wasn't shocked, but I was glad that I store my data on a separate physical drive
[06:05] <philipacamaniac> funny quote
[06:05] <JabberWokky> philipacamaniac: I unison between two systems.  A subset of important files ( $HOME/doc ) gets unison'ed up to a server.
[06:06] <philipacamaniac> cool
[06:06] <philipacamaniac> actually, my other drive's file structure hasn't made it easy for me to mount home in a nice place, so my $HOME was on the fried drive. Lost all my settings, but not my data.
[06:08] <DaSkreech> bkup
[06:08] <JabberWokky> Ouch.
[06:08] <philipacamaniac> i did have a $HOME back from 3 weeks ago, so that should do
[06:08] <philipacamaniac> backup
[06:08] <mcscruff> im batman
[06:09] <philipacamaniac> but still, I have to reinstall, and the damn servers are blitzed
[06:09] <philipacamaniac> can anyone paste in a bittorrent link here please?
[06:10] <JabberWokky> I tryto keep all mydotfiles as links to $HOME/usr/dotfiles.  That way when I sync my $HOME/usr/ all my settings sync as well.  I also have $HOME/.kde/share -> $HOME/usr/kdeshare 
[06:10] <apokryphos> philipacamaniac: they're in /topic link
[06:10] <philipacamaniac> apokryphos: hi I'm stupid :)
[06:11] <philipacamaniac> JabberWokky: that's a good idea, I might try it
[06:11] <JabberWokky> philipacamaniac: Go with "kopete maximized doesn't show the topic" as an excuse.  I highly recommend it.
[06:11] <slow-motion> re
[06:12] <TorstenK> hi
[06:12] <philipacamaniac> actually, Trillian, but yes. I didn't see the topic properly. (I'm in win**** because Kubuntu is dead.)
[06:12] <TorstenK> is the ubuntu-tacker down?
[06:12] <JabberWokky> philipacamaniac: Yeah - I have a handful of oddball things I've worked out over the past couple decades of using *nix.  I keep thinking about writing a book.  I have files that date back to the 80s.  As a side effect, I never picked up that new fangled perl and still write shell scripts.  ;)
[06:13] <DaSkreech> MMMM Shell Scripts
[06:13] <philipacamaniac> lol
[06:13] <cpalma> hey, does anyone knows if there's anything like expos in kde?
[06:13] <philipacamaniac> kompose
[06:13] <TorstenK> cpalma: kompose
[06:13] <apokryphos> TorstenK: it shouldn't be; try the ones in /topic
[06:13] <cpalma> sweet, thanks
[06:14] <doowtniop> hahaha, I write about a new connection I'm getting and my current connection burps :/
[06:15] <TorstenK> apokryphos: the cd works, but the dvd does not
[06:15] <tecknozic> hi I've got an error message everytime i want to compile a new program :
[06:15] <apokryphos> hm, curious
[06:16] <tecknozic> checking whether g++ supports -Wnon-virtual-dtor... no
[06:16] <tecknozic> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[06:16] <tecknozic> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[06:16] <tecknozic> See `config.log' for more details.
[06:16] <apokryphos> tecknozic: please don't paste in here
[06:16] <apokryphos> use a pastebin service
[06:16] <apokryphos> TorstenK: can't test now unfortunately because of this blasted router :/
[06:17] <tecknozic> sorry apokryphos
[06:17] <TorstenK> apokryphos: i take an ftp mirror now
[06:17] <tecknozic> any idea about this problem ?
[06:19] <apokryphos> tecknozic: install the build-essential package
[06:20] <tecknozic> thks
[06:20] <philipacamaniac> "16 hours remaining" - and I'm on T1
[06:21] <philipacamaniac> seriously?
[06:21] <cpalma> 1 day 20 hours left here
[06:21] <TorstenK> hmm - my speed dropped to 5KB/s
[06:21] <philipacamaniac> are the apt servers working?
[06:22] <philipacamaniac> "upload rate: 45kb    download rate: 32kb"
[06:22] <philipacamaniac> what the crap is that
[06:22] <apokryphos> the i386 if anyone wants it: http://giannaros.org/ubuntu/ISOs/Breezy/
[06:23] <DaSkreech> Download rate is 0.02k here :)
[06:23] <philipacamaniac> I'll stop complaining...
[06:24] <tecknozic> thks guys bye
[06:24] <apokryphos> philipacamaniac, DaSkreech: which image are you gettin'?
[06:24] <philipacamaniac> from topic
[06:24] <philipacamaniac> oh i386 intall
[06:24] <philipacamaniac> install
[06:25] <apokryphos> philipacamaniac: you can use the one from my server if you want it
[06:25] <philipacamaniac> i'll try it
[06:29] <rodrigo> Guys, I changed my hparm.conf:
[06:29] <rodrigo> command_line {
[06:29] <rodrigo>        hdparm -q -c1 -q -d1 -q -A1 -q -X69 -q -m16 /dev/hda
[06:30] <rodrigo> }
[06:30] <rodrigo> and within init is complaining 
[06:31] <rodrigo> "unknow separator"
[06:34] <philipacamaniac> apokryphos: thanks - 140kbs
[06:34] <apokryphos> if you have a better connection it should go a lot faster than that, but hey 8)
[06:35] <apokryphos> (from another server I download around 6meg/sec)
[06:36] <philipacamaniac> I've got a T1, but considering bandwidth limits and the fact that 80 other people are using the connection, its pretty good
[06:38] <hein> Err ... where is the konqueror "window" menu in kubuntu?!
[06:38] <Tm_T> hein: good question
[06:39] <Tm_T> hein: check your konqueror related packages are installed
[06:39] <philipacamaniac> that wasn't by design? :)
[06:39] <hein> don't tell me this is going the way of gnome?
[06:40] <apokryphos> hein: well, they are our role-models in terms of design and features
[06:41] <philipacamaniac> :) are you freakin kidding me
[06:41] <philipacamaniac> although I will admit that Gnome 2.12 is rather stunning
[06:41] <apokryphos> yuck :P
[06:41] <hein> yeah, I think he's f*cking with me
[06:57] <seeker2> hi all.
[06:57] <jpatrick> hi
[06:57] <seeker2> konversaton in kubuntu brings me here.
[06:58] <seeker2> hi jpatrick
[06:58] <Juerd> seeker2: Isn't that great :)
[07:04] <kokoko1> hi
[07:04] <kokoko1> any torrent there for 5.10?
[07:05] <seeker2> i use download mgr. its pretty fast.
[07:05] <kokoko1> the links on http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php not working for me
[07:07] <LaserLine> Why in KDE there is a delay in the sound of events ?
[07:09] <LaserLine> anyone ?
[07:10] <skiy> hello kubuntuers
[07:13] <LaserLine> hi skiy could you help me ?
[07:14] <nikkia> LaserLine: its because arts defaults to a latency of around 1/4 of a second
[07:15] <LaserLine> nikkia can you change it ?
[07:15] <LaserLine> Gnome doesn't have the latency..
[07:15] <nikkia> LaserLine: yes, but the lower the latency, the more chance of audio 'artifacts', its a trade-off
[07:15] <nikkia> personally, i think the default is WAY too high
[07:15] <LaserLine> me too.
[07:15] <LaserLine> how can you change it ?
[07:16] <nikkia> LaserLine: in kcontrol, under the sound system page, there is a slider for the buffer size, and it shows you the latency as you change it, in mS
[07:16] <nikkia> iirc, the default is 273mS or so
[07:16] <LaserLine> Ok, cool.
[07:16] <nikkia> somewhere around 50mS would be a good setting
[07:17] <LaserLine> I usually use GNOME, but will Install Brteezy on my desktop and plan on installing the Kubuntu desktop too... will I have compatability isssues ?
[07:17] <nikkia> (50mS is still not good enough for doing *work* with audio, or video, but its good enough for KDE, if you want to set it lower, you can, but be aware there starts to be a much higher chance of audio artifacts)
[07:17] <nikkia> LaserLine: as far as i'm aware, no
[07:18] <LaserLine> I remember in Hoary, that I had a '~' Icon on the desktop of KDE, I couldn't get rid of it, and that I had in Gnome, in the system menu an Shortcut for a KDE app (I think Kwallet) with out an Icon....
[07:18] <skiy> LaserLine: shouldn't do
[07:21] <LaserLine> Do you know of such issue ?
[07:31] <Strike4ce> OK I need help. I have kubuntu setup on my laptop dual boot system. Today I rest my wireless security. Before it didnt have any. Well now I cant get online thru kubuntu. When I click on the wireless network icon to make changes it is in admin mode and says to click and then enter password. When I do this nothing happens?
[07:32] <Strike4ce> any help here?
[07:33] <Strike4ce> ???
[07:33] <LaserLine> Tried to put in you own password ?
[07:39] <ep> Ok, I download and burn CD kubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso and even check the md5.  Life is good.  Reboot and the disk is a Ubuntu Live  disk.  Brown screen and all.  WTF?
[07:40] <ep> Its not April 1st.  Whats up with this?
[07:42] <ep> I got the ISO from this site: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/5.10/
[07:43] <kkathman> Hello all :)
[07:44] <Nomad> I need a bit of help understanding the features of IMAP, would anyone have suggestions as to where to turn?
[07:44] <Tm_T> kkathman <3
[07:44] <kkathman> Tm_T: o/
[07:44] <reuben> anyone feeling like seeding the i386 torrent?
[07:44] <reuben> i'm getting a 2kb/s download speed on it
[07:44] <reuben> on my 1mbit
[07:44] <Tm_T> kkathman: how are you?
[07:44] <kkathman> I take it they released 5.10 ?
[07:44] <robin> why is everyone using the torrent?
[07:44] <Tm_T> kkathman: yes
[07:44] <Tm_T> robin: why not
[07:44] <kkathman> I am fine, Tm_T  thanks...everyone upgrading?
[07:45] <robin> Tm_T: because downloading the iso from the site goes fast.
[07:45] <robin> faster 
[07:45] <Tm_T> kkathman: dunno, I did all upgrading during couple last weeks
[07:45] <Tm_T> robin: not always
[07:45] <kkathman> robin: dont you already have hoary installed?
[07:45] <Tm_T> robin: more using torrent -> faster torrent
[07:46] <coruja> robin: downloading by torrent saves (k)ubuntu's server ressources, that's one of the benefits...
[07:46] <Tm_T> robin: more taking iso file -> slow down
[07:46] <Tm_T> coruja: yes
[07:46] <robin> Tm_T: well this morning I downloaded two iso's at full speed (2mbit)
[07:46] <Tm_T> robin: I don't think you can do it anymore...
[07:46] <robin> kkathman: yes, I just installed breezy. I didn't update.
[07:46] <Nomad> reuben:  I'm stuck working on my windo3ws machien fo rnow, but later tonight I'll look into helping
[07:47] <ep> This is BS, how can there be an error like this?  Is there another mirror where I can get this.
[07:47] <kkathman> ahhh why not update?
[07:47] <robin> Tm_T: probably the site is slow now :)
[07:47] <libben> Need to kill Mplayer
[07:47] <libben> what was the program to just klick on the program
[07:47] <Tm_T> robin: it is, very
[07:47] <robin> kkathman: well, because it was ubuntu and not kubuntu and I wanna get rid of the gnome stuff.. :)
[07:47] <reuben> the two download servers are ridiculously slow
[07:47] <robin> kkathman: clean install was easy and fast.
[07:48] <Tm_T> :(
[07:48] <kkathman> ahh good reason robin I actually did that with hoary
[07:48] <Nomad> reuben:  Where would I get the ISO from in order to seed?
[07:48] <reuben> by downloading it
[07:48] <coruja> ep: as you seem to be the first with this problem, may i ask politely if you haven't mixed up things? anyway, if it doesn't work, you'll have to try again...
[07:48] <reuben> via bittorrent
[07:48] <kkathman> Tm_T: when I change the repos and do the dist-upgrade that will also upgrade my kDE (kubuntu-desktop) right?
[07:48] <reuben> and it'll seed
[07:48] <robin> I like the new settings panel, but most of the settings dialogs are to big for my 1024x768 resolution
[07:48] <Nomad> robin: I have that too :(
[07:49] <raingrove_> robin: esp the network settings
[07:49] <Nomad> robin: haven't had a chance to look into it yet
[07:49] <robin> the administration button is hidden behind kicker..
[07:49] <raingrove_> robin: i still prefer Kcontrol
[07:49] <olwin> for me the system settings is not full translated and the "system setting" doesn't work
[07:49] <robin> raingrove_: i'm using that too, b/c of that.
[07:50] <ep> Well the file name in my download folder is kubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso
[07:50] <robin> olwin: i'm just using english version. hate to use my native language as OS language.
[07:51] <olwin> ;)
[07:51] <Tm_T> kkathman: yes
[07:51] <raingrove_> hey
[07:51] <raingrove_> do u have this bug like..
[07:51] <robin> too bad.. the adept (new feature) and settings panel (new feature) both not used by me.
[07:51] <raingrove_> when u type password for network settings in Kcontrol
[07:51] <Tm_T> kkathman: but you can make things sure and after those steps just do "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" :)
[07:52] <raingrove_> it rather display the kcontrol intro instead of adminstrator mode network settings?
[07:52] <robin> raingrove_: how do you start kcontrol ?
[07:52] <_douglas> Does anyone konw of a good source.list mirror for jre5
[07:52] <ep> Maybe I burnt the wrong image -- I've done stupider things :-)
[07:52] <raingrove_> i made a menu item
[07:52] <raingrove_> called kcontrol
[07:53] <chimaera> hi. i just read that including kde 3.4.3 caused gpg (kmail) and hal to break. is that true?
[07:53] <reuben> this torrent is ridiculous
[07:53] <robin> raingrove_: I will try it.
[07:53] <reuben> my share ratio is 200%
[07:53] <robin> raingrove_: i use to start it with kdesu kcontrol from konsole
[07:53] <reuben> on 15% download
[07:54] <raingrove_> robin so basically u dont need kdesu under kcontrol at all
[07:54] <KeiserSuse> has anyone started a torrent download recently (as in the last couple of hours)?
[07:55] <reuben> i have 
[07:55] <robin> reuben: same thing here..
[07:55] <reuben> robin are you seeding?
[07:55] <robin> reuben: no
[07:55] <robin> reuben: about the network stuff
[07:55] <robin> oh wrong
[07:55] <robin> that was raingrove
[07:55] <robin> sry
[07:55] <reuben> robin: oh
[07:56] <robin> raingrove: same thing..
[07:57] <KeiserSuse> reuben: is it downloading?
[07:57] <robin> raingrove: but if you start it with kdesu, there is no problem.
[07:57] <reuben> KeiserSuse very slowly.
[07:57] <raingrove_> oh shit
[07:57] <coruja> ep: just try to burn/to download and burn again, i'm sure you'll fix it ;)
[07:57] <reuben> KeiserSuse: 6kb/s
[07:57] <lizdeika> how do i change KDM theme ?
[07:57] <KeiserSuse> reuben: ah... I see... it seems the tracker is slow
[07:58] <raingrove_> i was about to do rm kopete* ~/.kde/share/config
[07:58] <_douglas> anyone know a good jre5 repository?
[07:58] <raingrove_> i did rm * kopete* ~/.kde/share/config instead
[07:58] <reuben> but the http servers are even slower.
[07:58] <robin> raingrove_: =)
[07:58] <KeiserSuse> reuben: I'll wait a couple of days then
[07:58] <robin> raingrove_: well I actually did once rm -rf /lib
[07:58] <robin> raingrove_: that sucks.
[07:59] <raingrove_> all my settings are gone
[07:59] <raingrove_> damn
[07:59] <raingrove_> i think they have to add
[07:59] <raingrove_> warning message before carrying out anything like that
[07:59] <Strike4ce> OK I need help. I have kubuntu setup on my laptop dual boot system. Today I rest my wireless security. Before it didnt have any. Well now I cant get online thru kubuntu. When I click on the wireless network icon to make changes it is in admin mode and says to click and then enter password. When I do this nothing happens?
[07:59] <raingrove_> there was once i converted this rpm to tgz
[07:59] <raingrove_> then untarred it
[07:59] <robin> hmm I said that yesterday, but someone mentioned that kubuntu was for grownups.
[07:59] <raingrove_> and it crated usr/local under my home folder
[07:59] <raingrove_> created*
[08:00] <raingrove_> after i got my files
[08:00] <Strike4ce> hmm I bet its becasue it is running su
[08:00] <_douglas> Strike4ce: Which version of the os are you running 5.04 hoary, or 5.10 breezy?
[08:00] <raingrove_> i had to delete usr under my home folder
[08:00] <raingrove_> but instead i almost did rm -rf /usr instead of rm -rf ~/usr
[08:00] <Strike4ce> The latest version from the kubuntu website. Put it on 3 or 4 days ago
[08:00] <robin> Strike4ce: try to run from konsole with kdesu kcontrol
[08:00] <robin> raingrove_: :)
[08:00] <_douglas> ok, a new version came out last night
[08:01] <_douglas> it fixed that problem
[08:01] <_douglas> or you can change your sourcelist to update to it.
[08:02] <Strike4ce> Do you mean kuser?
[08:03] <kkathman> does anyone have the specific URL for upgrading, including the repos list?
[08:03] <Strike4ce> When it is asking for the pasword is it asking for my WEP password?
[08:05] <Strike4ce> _douglas how do I change my source list?
[08:05] <JabberWokky> Strike4ce: How familiar with Linux are you?
[08:05] <Strike4ce> lol
[08:06] <Strike4ce> is this a trick question?
[08:06] <Strike4ce> not very
[08:06] <reuben> haha
[08:06] <reuben> strikeforce
[08:06] <JabberWokky> Strike4ce: No, I was going to point you how to do it on the back end... I don't use the front end, sorry.
[08:06] <seife> yo
[08:06] <seife> hi
[08:06] <seife> why i cant download kubuntu 5.10
[08:06] <Strike4ce> so help me out
[08:06] <reuben> because the servers are really overloaded.
[08:06] <blueyed> seife: the servers are probably too loaded.
[08:07] <JabberWokky> Strike4ce: Just trying to help.  Sorryif I offended you.
[08:07] <blueyed> try a mirror.
[08:07] <libben> Strike4ce: just type kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:07] <Strike4ce> NO NO
[08:07] <Strike4ce> I need help no offense taken
[08:07] <seife> blueyed: where, i dont see any list of mirrors
[08:07] <Strike4ce> in terminal?
[08:07] <libben> yes
[08:07] <blueyed> seife: bittorrent works fine.
[08:07] <libben> and when it ask for password.
[08:07] <Strike4ce> ok im on my home computer kubuntu is on my laptop
[08:07] <reuben> not anymore, it's obscenely slow.
[08:07] <libben> put in ur userpassowd
[08:07] <nicholaspaul> hey everyone :) 
[08:07] <seife> blueyed link me please.
[08:08] <seife> i cant download ;/
[08:08] <seife> dunn0 why.
[08:08] <JabberWokky> Strike4ce: The WEP password thing is a bit complicated in how I set it up... you'd be better off following other people's advice.  :)
[08:08] <nicholaspaul> i have a couple of problems with ppc kubuntu... control center/admin mode doesnt go anywhere when i type in a password. 
[08:08] <nicholaspaul> Strike4ce - you having wep problems?
[08:09] <Strike4ce> jabberwokky you're the only one that has offered
[08:09] <blueyed> seife: do you have azureus? or another bt client installed?
[08:09] <Strike4ce> can it be setup fot tkip?
[08:09] <Strike4ce> for
[08:09] <seife> Default bittorrent client
[08:09] <ubuntu> hi
[08:09] <ubuntu> good morning
[08:10] <JabberWokky> libben and nicholaspaul have offered help in the past minute.  libben said to enter your user password, and nicholaspaul asked what your problem was.
[08:10] <ubuntu> how are toy
[08:10] <nicholaspaul> hey ubuntu
[08:10] <nicholaspaul> hallo bennifer
[08:10] <Bennifer> I am trying the ubuntu live cd, and the wireless isnt working
[08:10] <blueyed> seife: try this http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce
[08:10] <nicholaspaul> thx jabberwokky
[08:10] <nicholaspaul> i'm having probs of my own too... 
[08:10] <Bennifer> my wireless is atheros
[08:11] <blueyed> seife: this is for i386: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/5.10/kubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso.torrent
[08:11] <Bennifer> my wireless is supported in linux though
[08:11] <JabberWokky> nicholaspaul: If I could help you I would... I'm burning off a backup before installing.  :)  I'm going to try out the PPC live later tonight or tomorrow, though...
[08:11] <nicholaspaul> oh ok jabberwokky thx - dyou know why it doesnt like any password?
[08:12] <Bennifer> shouldnt my drives be mounted automatically?
[08:13] <nicholaspaul> bennifer- if they appear in /etc/fstab they will
[08:13] <seife> ok thanks
[08:13] <Bennifer> or do i have to be root to have that happen?
[08:13] <nicholaspaul> no, bennifer, you dont have to be root
[08:14] <Bennifer> how to i check that?
[08:15] <Bennifer> i will install kubuntu if i know i can get my wireless working in it
[08:15] <nicholaspaul> seems like alot of people are having wifi issues, me inc.  But it works fine with i386 - PPC is the problem
[08:15] <Bennifer> im on i386
[08:16] <nicholaspaul> AFAIK, live discs dont always (!) work with wifi
[08:16] <Bennifer> my friend is a mac user his wireless came on automatically
[08:16] <Bennifer> ok
[08:16] <nicholaspaul> dammit.. mine didnt! 
[08:16] <Bennifer> nick - after install did i work
[08:16] <nicholaspaul> not yet no.  
[08:16] <Bennifer> haha aww :(
[08:17] <Bennifer> what brand?
[08:17] <nicholaspaul> oh wait.. that other machine isnt k, its actually xubuntu, but i think it should work. 
[08:17] <Mustafu> Just wondering....is there a way I could get a network activity monitor 'thing' in the KDE systray similar to WinXP?
[08:17] <nicholaspaul> its an Airport Extreme, bennifer
[08:18] <libben> hmm
[08:18] <Bennifer> hmm. i cant rememer the model number of mine
[08:18] <libben> its out?
[08:18] <Bennifer> how do i check?
[08:18] <libben> =)
[08:18] <nicholaspaul> yes, Mustafu, K/Internet/KWifiManager
[08:18] <libben> so i just push reload in synaptic and its all good?
[08:18] <nicholaspaul> look on the box, bennifer ;) ? 
[08:19] <nicholaspaul> sorry, dunno. 
[08:19] <libben> and mark all changes and aply ofcourse
[08:19] <Bennifer> i can go to the web site
[08:19] <libben> is that teh same as apt-get upgrade && distupgrade?
[08:20] <Bennifer> under devices where would i find it?
[08:21] <nicholaspaul> try just typing 'iwconfig', it should show up there. 
[08:21] <nicholaspaul> (or check your PM tab;) ) 
[08:21] <Bennifer> whats the key?
[08:22] <nicholaspaul> key is the one you set for your router, under your router admin. 
[08:22] <Snoopinator> yop
[08:22] <Bennifer> lo        no wireless extensions.
[08:22] <Bennifer> ath0      IEEE 802.11  ESSID:""
[08:22] <Bennifer>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.417 GHz  Access Point: FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
[08:22] <Bennifer>           Bit Rate:1 Mb/s   Tx-Power:50 dBm   Sensitivity=0/3
[08:22] <Bennifer>           Retry:off   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[08:22] <Bennifer>           Power Management:off
[08:22] <Bennifer>           Link Quality=0/94  Signal level=-95 dBm  Noise level=-95 dBm
[08:22] <Bennifer>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[08:22] <Bennifer>           Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
[08:22] <Bennifer> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[08:22] <Bennifer> sit0      no wireless extensions.
[08:22] <Bennifer> sorry
[08:23] <Bennifer> its all greek to me
[08:23] <seaLne> run kwifimanager and it should show your wireless network to let you connect
[08:23] <Snoopinator> hi all .. can anyone tell me what is the default root password ?
[08:23] <seaLne> !sudo
[08:23] <ubotu> I guess sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:23] <seaLne> Snoopinator: look at that
[08:24] <Bennifer> no wireless extensions.
[08:24] <Bennifer> bash: eth0: command not found
[08:24] <libben> Snoopinator: no root in ubuntu/kubuntu
[08:24] <hein> hmm, unsermake doesn't work
[08:24] <Bennifer> i am running the live version atm
[08:24] <libben> u type sudo and use ur user passowrd
[08:24] <Strike4ce> hey bennifer im getting the same problem
[08:24] <Bennifer> what hardware?
[08:24] <Strike4ce> wifi
[08:24] <Bennifer> is it a pc?
[08:25] <Snoopinator> hmmhm i see i guess the account i've specified during installation has the full rights
[08:25] <Strike4ce> laptop dell inspiron 8600 has a intel pc 2100 card
[08:25] <Bennifer> yeh im running a toshiba a70 atheros card
[08:26] <nicholaspaul> hmm.. i get errors using 'sudo' .. how can i fix that? 
[08:26] <libben> what do i do to update to the newest?
[08:26] <Bennifer> no wireless extensions.,.
[08:26] <Bennifer> did u install kubuntu strike?
[08:27] <nicholaspaul> orry bennifer.. i'm not sure. 
[08:27] <nicholaspaul> (s)
[08:27] <Bennifer> i want to stop using windows but that means i need wireless :(
[08:27] <Snoopinator> ok thx ppl
[08:28] <Strike4ce> sudo -s
[08:28] <nicholaspaul> dont give up, bennifer, all my systems here are wireless. 
[08:28] <Snoopinator> has someone tested crossover office ?
[08:28] <Strike4ce> its sudo -s now
[08:29] <nicholaspaul> huh? i type sudo -s instead of just sudo?
[08:29] <Bennifer> whats the essid key
[08:29] <Strike4ce> yes
[08:30] <nicholaspaul> ooohhh.. i still get 'sudo unable to lookup compname via gethostbyname()
[08:30] <Bennifer> thats true it found it at ath0 essid nicknet
[08:30] <Bennifer> then what?
[08:30] <nicholaspaul> bennifer- essid key is the key you set up in your router admin. you'll need to access the router first
[08:30] <Strike4ce> type in terminal sudo -s and it will prompt for password
[08:30] <Bennifer> ESSID:"nicknet"
[08:30] <nicholaspaul> oh wait - sorry, bennifer, nicknet is the name of MY network. you'l need to enter the name of yours
[08:31] <Bennifer> what do u mean by network?
[08:31] <Bennifer> the LAN?
[08:31] <nicholaspaul> yes
[08:31] <Strike4ce> is it ath0 oe eth0?
[08:31] <nicholaspaul> ath0 is the wireless one., eth0 is ethernet
[08:31] <nicholaspaul> iwconfig ath0 essid bennifernet (or whatever its called!)
[08:32] <nicholaspaul> under router admin you can set that up 
[08:32] <Strike4ce> thats the name of the network?
[08:32] <Bennifer> how can i find the name of my network then?
[08:32] <nicholaspaul> ath0 is the name of your wireless device
[08:32] <nicholaspaul> bennifer - what kind of router do you have?
[08:32] <Bennifer> you think i should just go ahead and install it nowt
[08:32] <Bennifer> its an atheros
[08:33] <nicholaspaul> thats the chipset, is it not? is it a netgear, DLink .. ? 
[08:34] <Bennifer> the router? oops its a linksys
[08:34] <nicholaspaul> ok - if you go to the linksys site it will show you how to login to your router
[08:34] <lwells> what is the best way to upgrade to Breezy
[08:34] <Bennifer> isnt it 192.168.1.1
[08:35] <Bennifer> why do i have to login to the router?
[08:35] <nicholaspaul> oh yea, that makes sense, bennifer
[08:35] <libben> ok. its released how do i go the final step? been with with breezy all time... but what do i do know?
[08:35] <nicholaspaul> thats how you set up the password (if there is one) and find out what the network is named. 
[08:35] <Bennifer> theres no passwsord
[08:36] <nicholaspaul> theres no WEP key?
[08:36] <Bennifer> no
[08:36] <Bennifer> its a school
[08:36] <Bennifer> in the middle of the desert
[08:36] <nicholaspaul> oh ok.  LOL
[08:36] <nicholaspaul> Nevada?
[08:36] <Bennifer> arizona
[08:37] <nicholaspaul> aah gotcha. 
[08:37] <nicholaspaul> ok, i'm a little lost, sorry. Theres no wep, but you cant logon ?
[08:39] <Bennifer> uhhh
[08:39] <Bennifer> i dont know how to configure the wifi
[08:39] <Bennifer> on this
[08:40] <nicholaspaul> gotcha. in Terminal, what does 'iwconfig' tell you?
[08:40] <felly> hey anyone know what the deal is with katapult? i just dist-upgraded to breezy, it doesn't seem to do anything
[08:40] <_john> how do i use synaptic in a 5.10 install
[08:40] <_john> as i cant get FireFox
[08:40] <libben> just start it?
[08:40] <eracerbit> felly, was noticing the katapult packege and wondered what it does myself
[08:40] <libben> and type ur userpassword when prompted for it
[08:41] <John64> i have tried sudo synaptic
[08:41] <John64> and it doesnt work at all
[08:41] <Bennifer> i pasted it earlier
[08:41] <Bennifer> you want the whole thing? it is big
[08:41] <John64> sure
[08:41] <eracerbit> john64, if u are using kubuntu run kynaptic
[08:41] <John64> should i sudo that?
[08:41] <eracerbit> yeah
[08:41] <robin> John64: but you can use synaptic too.
[08:42] <libben> John64: 
[08:42] <libben> no
[08:42] <nicholaspaul> sure , bennifer - put it in the IM tab
[08:42] <robin> !sudo
[08:42] <libben> just run kynaptic from start menu
[08:42] <ubotu> sudo is, like, totally, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:42] <robin> !kdesu
[08:42] <ubotu> Use kdesu to run applications with root priveleges, when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions and the config files.
[08:42] <libben> and type the user password when promted for it
[08:42] <nicholaspaul> ubotu: thanks!
[08:42] <ubotu> graag gedaan, nicholaspaul
[08:42] <Bennifer> i cant reply
[08:42] <eracerbit> !apt
[08:42] <ubotu> hmm... apt is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/ or http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto
[08:42] <Bennifer> i havent go ta regiseted nick i have to paste it in the channel nicholaspaul
[08:42] <nicholaspaul> graag wha? ubotu..
[08:43] <Bennifer> ath0      IEEE 802.11  ESSID:"nicknet"
[08:43] <Bennifer>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.417 GHz  Access Point: FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
[08:43] <Bennifer>           Bit Rate:1 Mb/s   Tx-Power:50 dBm   Sensitivity=0/3
[08:43] <robin> nicholaspaul: graag gedaan is dutch, for you are welcome :)
[08:43] <Bennifer>           Retry:off   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[08:43] <nicholaspaul> oh ok bennifer 
[08:43] <Bennifer>           Encryption key:off
[08:43] <Bennifer>           Power Management:off
[08:43] <Bennifer>           Link Quality=0/94  Signal level=-95 dBm  Noise level=-95 dBm
[08:43] <Bennifer>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[08:43] <Bennifer>           Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
[08:43] <robin> nicholaspaul: or no problem :)
[08:43] <eracerbit> bennifer.. its probably your drivers
[08:43] <nicholaspaul> thx robin :) my dutch is a little rusty.. !!;)
[08:43] <robin> nicholaspaul: :)
[08:43] <eracerbit> i was getting the  FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:F before i had my ndiswrapper configured right
[08:44] <eracerbit> !ndiswrapper
[08:44] <ubotu> ndiswrapper is probably a way to support Windows wirless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[08:44] <Bennifer> what do u mean my drivers
[08:44] <Bennifer> whats wrong with them?
[08:44] <nicholaspaul> bennifer- drivers are little programs that tell your kernel what your hardware is. 
[08:44] <yguilloux> benniffer FF:FF:FF:FF:FF is the MAC Broacast address
[08:44] <Bennifer> the wireless doesnt show up on the side pannel
[08:44] <John64> how do i use aptget perido
[08:44] <Bennifer> i know what drivers are, whats wrong with mine?
[08:44] <John64> i last used Kubuntu in its first release
[08:45] <nicholaspaul> sorry bennifer.. it could be that they dont work on kubuntu. 
[08:45] <eracerbit> no it wouldnt be different in k/ubuntu
[08:45] <robin> Bennifer: ndiswrapper works okay
[08:45] <felly> anyone used katapult?
[08:45] <John64> i am giving it a whirl
[08:46] <Bennifer> what is ndiswrapper?
[08:46] <eracerbit> bennifer: r u on a notebook or desktop
[08:46] <nicholaspaul> bennifer - i'm out of my depth.. 
[08:46] <Bennifer> yes toshiba a70 notebook
[08:46] <eracerbit> !ndiswrapper
[08:46] <ubotu> well, ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wirless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[08:46] <nicholaspaul> meanwhile.. i just cant get iwconfig to work.  
[08:46] <Bennifer> keeps saying command not founbd
[08:46] <robin> felly yes
[08:46] <Bennifer> but mine is ok
[08:47] <eracerbit> hmm
[08:47] <felly> i can't seem to get it to do anything
[08:47] <felly> alt+space does nothing
[08:47] <lwells> i have never done a update on linux
[08:47] <felly> running it from shell prints some stuff out
[08:47] <felly> thats it
[08:47] <felly> any ideas?
[08:48] <robin> felly no, it just works here, don't no how to configure it though.
[08:48] <Bennifer> i have mandriva installed on this machine, and windows 2003.
[08:48] <robin> *know
[08:48] <eracerbit> felly:kcontrol
[08:48] <lwells> do i just download the iso and then install it?
[08:48] <Bennifer> i only use windows because the wireless isnt working on mandriva
[08:48] <eracerbit> see if anything turns up to configure it in kcontrol
[08:48] <robin> Bennifer have you check google ?
[08:48] <eracerbit> lwells: are you running an older ubuntu or debian system
[08:48] <lwells> i am on kubuntu
[08:48] <nicholaspaul> someone help with me a new ppc kubuntu?
[08:49] <Bennifer> google for?
[08:49] <Strike4ce> ubotu kde su doesnt work anymore
[08:49] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, Strike4ce
[08:49] <eracerbit> !breezy
[08:49] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[08:49] <Strike4ce> shouldnt it be kde sudo now?
[08:49] <lwells> i am on horey
[08:49] <eracerbit> lwells: go to that url ubotu said
[08:49] <felly> eracerbit: what should i look for in kcontrol?
[08:49] <eracerbit> basicly heres what u do
[08:49] <eracerbit> felly: katapult
[08:49] <eracerbit> =)
[08:49] <lwells> i am already downloading the file
[08:50] <eracerbit> open the file /etc/apt/sources.list as root
[08:50] <Bennifer> Article: Wireless and touchpad now work on my Toshiba A70 using Fedora Core 3
[08:50] <eracerbit> search and replace hoary or warty with breezy
[08:50] <eracerbit> then run apt-get update
[08:50] <lwells> ok
[08:50] <eracerbit> then run apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:50] <eracerbit> all as root
[08:50] <eracerbit> to be root do sudo -s first
[08:51] <eracerbit> then u dont have to type sudo every time
[08:51] <Bennifer> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/answers/326
[08:52] <lwells> so just replace the word hoary? on the sources.list file?
[08:52] <eracerbit> bennifer: there is a madwifi package available
[08:53] <Bennifer> whats madwifi
[08:53] <eracerbit> lwells: yes, replace it with breezy
[08:53] <`Nomad> Ok, let me understand this.. In order to seed, I have to download teh original ISo first right^
[08:53] <`Nomad> ?
[08:54] <eracerbit> bennifer: its in a package called something like linux-restricted-modules
[08:54] <eracerbit> do apt-cache saerch madwifi and get the one for your kernel and architecture
[08:54] <Bennifer> should i install kubuntu then? over top of mandriva 
[08:54] <Bennifer> i hope it doesnt screw up lilo
[08:55] <John64> what is the package name fore firefox?
[08:55] <eracerbit> o shit u r running mandriva
[08:55] <eracerbit> is mandriva debian based
[08:55] <`Nomad> eracerbit: Nope!!!
[08:55] <`Nomad> RPm
[08:55] <eracerbit> or rpm based
[08:55] <eracerbit> heheh
[08:56] <eracerbit> well, id say find the madwifi rpm.. but what r u dong in #ubuntu
[08:56] <Bennifer> what do u mean
[08:56] <`Nomad> Would someone consider offering me the Kubuntu ISO CD so that i can seed it?  I already updated my system and don't have teh official release
[08:56] <`Nomad> It seems very hard to get it from the main website
[08:57] <marcreichelt> hi
[08:57] <`Nomad> Ok, I found m,irrors
[08:57] <Bennifer> i wasnt in kubuntu
[08:57] <marcreichelt> has anybody already dist-upgraded?
[08:58] <doowtniop> `Nomad: topic :)
[08:58] <buz> marcreichelt: from hoary to breezy?
[08:58] <marcreichelt> buz: yepp
[08:58] <buz> should work without issues if you follow the guide
[08:58] <marcreichelt> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/breezy-release.php ?
[08:58] <felly> don't see any mention of katapult in kcontrol eracerbit
[08:59] <reagleBRKLN> When I inserted my usb disk, it did not appear in media:/ or on the desktop.
[08:59] <reagleBRKLN>  however, it was automounted, I guess, in /media/usbdisk/ 
[08:59] <Bennifer> i will install kunbut
[09:00] <`Nomad> doowtniop:  I,m trying to find an alternative download site
[09:00] <lwells> How do i know if the update worked??
[09:00] <marcreichelt> buz, where is the guide?
[09:01] <eracerbit> nomad.. if you mean the torrent, you will upload  to others the part you have downloaded as you download more
[09:01] <buz> marcreichelt: cant remember
[09:01] <`Nomad> Oh, so just download FROM torrent and re-seed
[09:01] <`Nomad> ok, I thought I should download the ISO and start seeding fresh
[09:01] <`Nomad> gotcha
[09:01] <`Nomad> thanks
[09:01] <doowtniop> :)
[09:02] <`Nomad> Are the backports not open yet?
[09:02] <eracerbit> nope
[09:02] <eracerbit> (nomad)
[09:02] <`Nomad> ok
[09:03] <lwells> i did the breezy upgrade, do i need to reboot?
[09:03] <eracerbit> lwells.. did you do the search replace? ok
[09:03] <eracerbit> no dont reboot
[09:03] <lwells> i did
[09:03] <eracerbit> did you do apt-get update
[09:04] <lwells> yes
[09:04] <eracerbit> did you do apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:04] <marcreichelt> I want to upgrade to breezy, do I have to just type in "apt-get dist-upgrade" as root?
[09:04] <lwells> oh no not yet,let me do that
[09:04] <reagleBRKLN> hrmm.. my sound isn't working in KDE?
[09:05] <eracerbit> marcreichelt: scroll up, was just telling lwells how
[09:05] <reagleBRKLN> arts is running "/usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -s 60 -m artsmessage -l 3 -f" but just upgraded to breezy
[09:05] <eracerbit> lwells, it will take a while, might wanna go fix something to eat or something
[09:06] <lwells> after that, what happens?
[09:06] <eracerbit> after that, reboot =) actually it may ask you questions as you upgrade
[09:06] <mpmc> I need some help with the default install of kubuntu. I cant access any webpages..
[09:06] <lwells> ok
[09:06] <marcreichelt> hmm, the usb drives don't work in breezy?
[09:07] <marcreichelt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuBreezyKnownProblems
[09:08] <lwells> ok i will be back
[09:08] <Strike1> when kynaptic fetches and receives all files what do i do then?
[09:09] <Strike1> how do i know if im getting the new release files?
[09:09] <`Nomad> Woah... I just finally tried Katapult..   Waaaayy kewl!
[09:09] <mpmc> System Information for    [ mpmc.hn.org ] 
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[09:09] <mpmc> CPU Info                  Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz 2412.256 Mhz   4784.12 Bogomips
[09:09] <mpmc> HD Info                   180GB total storage capacity
[09:09] <mpmc> Memory                    167.062/1012.35MB
[09:09] <mpmc> Processes                 94
[09:09] <mpmc> Uptime                    14 min
[09:09] <mpmc> oops!
[09:09] <eracerbit> good luck lwells
[09:09] <mpmc> sorry guys
[09:09] <Strike1> anyone?
[09:09] <libben> what is katapult?
[09:09] <libben> =)
[09:10] <Strike1> how do i know if im getting the new release files?
[09:11] <marcreichelt> eracerbit, how can I upgrade to breezy now? I can't find your discription to lwells :-(
[09:11] <marcreichelt> I did apt-get update
[09:11] <eracerbit> hmm hold on
[09:12] <libben> i did apt-get update and marked all changes... it was only 2 of em
[09:12] <libben> 670 kb
[09:12] <libben> and i was updated =)
[09:12] <libben> have been updating everyday in synaptiv
[09:13] <libben> so what is katapult really?
[09:13] <libben> program loaded with alots of other programs settings readed into its mem?
[09:13] <Riddell> a better alt+F2
[09:13] <libben> and speeding up the program launch
[09:13] <_42> ok...installed breezy
[09:14] <_42> but now i cant apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[09:14] <eracerbit> last time im doing this =)
[09:14] <eracerbit> marcreichelt:
[09:14] <_42> says something about another package referring to it
[09:14] <_42> and its driving me nuts
[09:14] <eracerbit>  to be root do sudo -s first
[09:14] <eracerbit>  then u dont have to type sudo every time
[09:14] <eracerbit>  open the file /etc/apt/sources.list as root
[09:14] <eracerbit>  search and replace hoary or warty with breezy
[09:14] <eracerbit>  then run apt-get update
[09:14] <eracerbit>  then run apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:14] <marcreichelt> that's my name...
[09:14] <eracerbit> thats it
[09:14] <libben> Riddell: so its nothing special? just a program that has some bookmarks of programs or what?
[09:14] <marcreichelt> eracerbit, thanks :-)
[09:15] <eracerbit> np =)
[09:15] <gdh> Riddell: Did KDE release 3.4.3 especially for Kubuntu or was it just a happy (and last minute) accident?
[09:15] <Riddell> gdh: it was a tragic accident, releasing so close has broken a few things
[09:15] <_42> i wish kubuntu wouldnt have started using adept...
[09:15] <_42> useless
[09:16] <libben> why isnt adept installed for me?
[09:16] <libben> i did reload in synaptic and marked all upgradeables
[09:16] <libben> and aplied it
[09:16] <libben> have no adept
[09:16] <gdh> Riddell: I did think it was a bit hasty :/
[09:16] <bretzel> what's useless with adpet ?? I don't know that app
[09:16] <gdh> just close your eyes and hope for the best...
[09:17] <kkathman> Tm_T: are you still here?
[09:17] <humbolt> how can I find the fastest mirror from my location? does netselect work with ubuntu, or will it configure debian mirrors as mentioned in the package description?
[09:17] <marcreichelt> wahh, the servers seem to be really slow right now
[09:18] <eracerbit> bwahahaha
[09:18] <mpmc> How to add extra repositories for breezy... ? I need mp3 support where can I get them from?
[09:18] <Strike4ce> where do I find the upgrades?
[09:18] <kkathman> Tm_T:  are you still here?
[09:18] <kkathman> oops sorry
[09:19] <kkathman> accidentally hit the wrong key :)
[09:19] <kkathman> hehe
[09:19] <mpmc> ideas?
[09:19] <crimsun> mpmc: install akode-mpeg
[09:19] <crimsun> mpmc: you may need gstreamer0.8-mad, too
[09:19] <Tm_T> kkathman: ?
[09:19] <crimsun> !tell mpmc about repos
[09:19] <Strike4ce> Why cant I find the new upgrades?
[09:19] <mpmc> willl that work for amarok?
[09:20] <Strike4ce> hello?
[09:20] <Strike4ce> its fetching. What do I do afterwards?
[09:20] <kkathman> Tm_T: did you say I should go ahead and do an apt-get kubuntu-desktop, then an apt-get install kubuntu-desktop after my upgrade, even though I have it installed now?
[09:21] <Tm_T> `Nomad: dunno why, but looks like my katapult is worthless
[09:21] <Tm_T> kkathman: I meant do all upgrades and to make sure, do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:21] <mpmc> I forgot where the respos file is :P
[09:22] <Tm_T> kkathman: I didn't have that metapackage earlier so there was a few extrapackages I got :)
[09:22] <kkathman> ok... the only thing Im really worried about is the nvidia things
[09:22] <kkathman> apparently some people had problems
[09:22] <Tm_T> kkathman: had, I did
[09:22] <Tm_T> not anymore
[09:22] <Tm_T> :)
[09:22] <kkathman> ok
[09:23] <bretzel> Off topic: I've installed ( from sources ) a Terminal emul. named YAKUAKE and seems really cool, good looking and with very usefull "[F12]  : toggle hide/show" feature :-)
[09:24] <Tm_T> bretzel: please don't use colours
[09:24] <_42> what is that k db browser? kiex or something
[09:24] <Tm_T> kexi
[09:24] <_42> right
[09:24] <Tm_T> ?
[09:24] <_42> thanks
[09:24] <Tm_T> np
[09:25] <Tm_T> kkathman: dunno if all issues are really fixed
[09:25] <kkathman> Tm_T: Im about to do the update and upgrade...so I'll either be back soon, or gone for a while :)
[09:25] <Tm_T> kkathman: =)
[09:25] <Strike4ce> kkathman do apt-get update
[09:25] <kkathman> right the update and upgrade...I know
[09:25] <kkathman> I've done all the pre-upgrade stuff
[09:25] <Tm_T> kkathman: see? one moment of weakness and kids are on your face!
[09:25] <Tm_T> ;)
[09:25] <Strike4ce> you're doing that from terminal right?
[09:25] <kkathman> haha
[09:26] <libben> why isnt adept installed for me?
[09:26] <kkathman> Strike4ce: uh yah...I didnt think you could do it any other way :)
[09:26] <libben> i did reload in synaptic and marked all upgradeables
[09:26] <Strike4ce> lol Tm_T the only reason I knew that is cuz i typed in the commans you gave her LMAO
[09:26] <libben> and aplied it
[09:26] <kkathman> I dont bother with Synaptic
[09:26] <Strike4ce> it doesnt work very good
[09:26] <kkathman> I go straight to the /etc/apt/sources.list :)
[09:27] <kkathman> be back soon, I hope :)
[09:27] <_42> Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[09:27] <humbolt> Where can I find a list of ubuntu mirrors that mirror the actual packages not just the release images?
[09:27] <Tm_T> Strike4ce: ?
[09:27] <Tm_T> haha
[09:28] <Strike4ce> where can i look to see if its updated?
[09:28] <Tm_T> if there's nothing to update, then it's uptodate
[09:28] <Strike4ce> do i need to restart?
[09:29] <Strike4ce> how can i load katapult?
[09:29] <Strike4ce> and the new updater?
[09:29] <Tm_T> evt
[09:29] <Strike4ce> evt? is that a command?
[09:29] <apokryphos> !katapult
[09:29] <ubotu> it has been said that katapult is an application for KDE designed to provide faster access to applications, bookmarks and other items. Once you've installed it, alt+f2 ->katapult, then hit Alt+Space. When splash screen appears, type the command you want.
[09:29] <marsh> hello.
[09:29] <buz> anyone got a repository that isnt completely hammered?
[09:30] <apokryphos> buz: ones listed on the wiki
[09:30] <eracerbit> buz... when u find one let me know
[09:30] <buz> ch.archive points to archive and that one isnt truly usable ATM
[09:30] <apokryphos> I assume a lot of them are quite hammered =)
[09:30] <marsh> can anyone tell me the name of the script to re-install/reset my graphics so I can get a higher resolution?
[09:30] <apokryphos> marsh: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:31] <Strike4ce> do i need to restart?
[09:31] <marsh> thanks apokryphos 
[09:31] <marsh> appreciated
[09:31] <Strike4ce> after a upgrade?
[09:31] <marsh> ;)
[09:32] <libben> marsh: get the horizontal valuse and vertical ones... and add them in the advance part in that reconfigure step
[09:32] <libben> then u can max ur resolution
[09:32] <libben> but u need to check the monitors specs first.. so u know the values
[09:33] <Strike4ce> after an upgrade and install is it neccesary to reboot?
[09:33] <apokryphos> Strike4ce: yeah
[09:34] <Strike4ce> ok i did and I see nothing new
[09:34] <Strike4ce> no katapult?
[09:34] <apokryphos> Strike4ce: are you hitting alt+space and it doesn't come up?
[09:35] <Strike4ce> yep and not coming up
[09:35] <apokryphos> Strike4ce: is it installed? dpkg -l|grep katapult  ..gives?
[09:35] <dipnlik> hi all. installed kubuntu on a P3 550MHz, 128MB RAM, and it feels a little slow. can I improve performance without changing the window manager? like using faster themes or configuring things better than the default?
[09:36] <Strike4ce> apokryphos is that the command I need to run in terminal?
[09:36] <apokryphos> yes
[09:36] <buz> wiki is hammered as well :(
[09:37] <marsh> thanks libben
[09:39] <Mustafu> Is it relatively easy to install Kubuntu using an alternative FS like Reiser instead of the default ext3, or does it get complicated..?
[09:39] <Strike4ce> apokryphos its says unknown option -1
[09:40] <libben> im still wondering why im not having adept after upgraded all packages this night
[09:40] <Strike4ce> i dont have adept or katapult
[09:41] <Strike4ce> do you find these in the not installed area of snyaptic?
[09:42] <Strike4ce> ??????
[09:42] <nutate> ah, nothing like setting bittorrent to download the live and install cds last night and having them fresh when I get into work (late) today
[09:42] <Strike4ce> is it possible to go straight to the download website?
[09:46] <Strike4ce> what command to change source?
[09:46] <Strike4ce> source list
[09:47] <cnp_mad30> which lines do i have to change to apt-get update? the one that ends with "main" ?? I tried to
[09:47] <crimsun> change all hoary instances to breezy
[09:47] <crimsun> sudo sed -i s/hoary/breezy/ /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:48] <cnp_mad30> gonna try that, crimsun
[09:48] <cnp_mad30> unknown option to "s"
[09:49] <cnp_mad30> [crimsun]  it says unknown uption to s
[09:52] <mcquaid> hello, i remember there was a good thread in the kubuntu forums on making your own debs, but i can't seem to find it now
[09:52] <mcquaid> anyone know where that is?
[09:55] <cnp_mad30> [crimsun]  its working know... i did it allright, it just that it takes some time to connect to the servers. thanks
[09:59] <Firetech> apt-get dist-upgrade -d only downloads packages, right?
[10:01] <Strike4ce> can you update from the actual iso image?
[10:01] <Strike4ce> on cd?
[10:03] <Strike4ce> why does terminal say: Please use apt-cdrom to make this cd-rom recognized by apt. apt-get update cannot be usd to add new cd-roms
[10:03] <Strike4ce> ???
[10:04] <buz> mirror.switch.ch is still fast if anyone needs a repo
[10:04] <marsh> hey gents - sorry to bother you again... anyone know how to get .wm4 tracks decoded/converted?
[10:04] <buz> and that machine can take a beating or two ;)
[10:04] <marsh> anyone
[10:05] <marsh> ?/?
[10:05] <marsh> ??
[10:05] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[10:05] <Peps> I would like to upgrade to Kubuntu breezy, but think it is best to fix the KDE menu problem first - for some time I am unable to make any changes in it - can someone point to me how to "reset" it?
[10:06] <IRCMonkey_> as I sit at my PC and wait for my 9 hour torrent file
[10:07] <slow-motion> re
[10:08] <Strike4ce> what is the command to install new updates?
[10:08] <oralcel> sudo apt-get update
[10:08] <oralcel> then
[10:08] <oralcel> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:10] <IRCMonkey_> I have never used torrent before, is it normal for it to take hours?
[10:11] <Strike4ce> ok oralcel i did that command and a bunch of stuff filled my screen
[10:11] <Strike4ce> I was prompted yes on all
[10:11] <Strike4ce> is that good?
[10:11] <Strike4ce> lol
[10:11] <oralcel> mostly it is :)
[10:12] <Strike4ce> This is going to take alot of getting used to
[10:12] <oralcel> IRCMonkey_ yep
[10:12] <IRCMonkey_> thank you
[10:12] <IRCMonkey_> bummer
[10:13] <Firetech> Peps: a quick but ugly solution might be to remove ~/.kde
[10:14] <Strike4ce> its geeting it from ubuntu.com breezy/main thats what I want for the new updates right?
[10:14] <oralcel> yeah
[10:14] <Firetech> Peps: it's ugly because it will remove your kde settings...
[10:15] <Strike4ce> 17 total is that right?
[10:15] <Strike4ce> im on 3 and I have broadband
[10:16] <Strike4ce> this might take awhile
[10:16] <Strike4ce> lol
[10:17] <Riddell> Firetech: that won't work (XDG menus arn't kept in ~/.kde)
[10:17] <hein> Riddell: Can the Window menu be brought back without patching?
[10:17] <Peps> Firetech: maybe I can remove just some selected files? I have lots of settings ...
[10:17] <Firetech> Riddell: ok, ~/.local too then?
[10:18] <troy> hey is adept slow today for a reason?
[10:18] <`Nomad> Man oh man, it's even hard to get the torrent file down
[10:18] <Strike4ce> is there a specific website that I can refernce for commands in terminal?
[10:18] <Firetech> Peps: I've never had the problem, so I can't help you anymore...
[10:18] <gdh> troy: Er, yes it's release day - huge numbers of people downloading ISOs from the dist sites...
[10:18] <Strike4ce> reference
[10:18] <Riddell> Firetech: and ~/.config I think
[10:18] <Riddell> hein: which window menu is that again?
[10:18] <Peps> Firetech: Thanks!
[10:19] <hein> Riddell: Konqi
[10:19] <Riddell> hein: oh, konqueror
[10:19] <Firetech> Riddell: I don't have that folder afaik.
[10:19] <mpmc> Hi, How do I allow all programs to use the Audio device at the same time?
[10:19] <Strike4ce> it says its going to take 7 hrs? wtf?
[10:20] <Riddell> hein: sudo cp /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror-orig.rc /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc  && sudo rm -r /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/apps/konqueror/
[10:20] <Strike4ce> i hope that changes
[10:20] <gdh> Strike4ce: Yes, all the sites are completely maxed out - try again tomorrow :)
[10:20] <Strike4ce> im already at number 4
[10:20] <mpmc> Any Ideas, People?
[10:20] <Riddell> hein: (which is ugly due to a bug in konqueror)
[10:20] <Strike4ce> installing
[10:20] <gdh> you can always ctrl-c and try again later - it'll pick up where it left off 
[10:21] <Strike4ce> i'll leave it I have 2 computers here
[10:21] <Strike4ce> laptop
[10:21] <Strike4ce> i dont think its going to take that long
[10:21] <IRCMonkey_> you can make kde look like os x, with a dock feel, eh?
[10:21] <Strike4ce> is kubuntu better tham microsoft?
[10:22] <Strike4ce> im on 5 now
[10:22] <mpmc> I'm new, can someone please answer this, How do I allow all programs to use the Audio device at the same time?
[10:22] <Firetech> Strike4ce: everything is beter than M$ :P
[10:22] <hein> Riddell: ah, thanks a lot :)
[10:22] <Strike4ce> lol
[10:23] <Strike4ce> for some reason its not recognizing my cdrom. I can do that update later right?
[10:23] <Firetech> IRCMonkey_: there is KXDocker at kde-apps.org
[10:24] <IRCMonkey_> Firetech: so thats why a lot of the screenshots look like they have a dock?
[10:24] <Tm_T> Strike4ce: no colours please
[10:24] <gdh> or dumb scripts.
[10:24] <Tm_T> gdh: agreed
[10:24] <gdh> in fact the word 'dumb' is superfluous
[10:24] <Firetech> IRCMonkey_: yes, it's almost exactly like the osx dock...
[10:25] <troy> all I wants to do is install lyx... /me waits and waits
[10:25] <IRCMonkey_> http://www.xiaprojects.com/www/prodotti/kxdocker/main.php#flash
[10:26] <IRCMonkey_> I don't get it, are they using KDE for a desktop environment, instead of os x then?
[10:26] <IRCMonkey_> I guess I have never quite understood all this.
[10:26] <IRCMonkey_> I mean they have safari and mail there on the dock
[10:27] <gdh> IRCMonkey_: they've just stolen the icons.
[10:27] <Strike4ce> ohh man im sorry thats windows media playing and shows it here
[10:27] <Strike4ce> is that ok?
[10:27] <Latino_ubuntu> hi, I'm new in ubuntu. Does ubuntu use debian or they have their on pro
[10:27] <IRCMonkey_> ah
[10:27] <Strike4ce> im on my home pc
[10:27] <gdh> Strike4ce: not really. we don't care what you're listening to. :)
[10:28] <Strike4ce> well the colors
[10:28] <Strike4ce> i dont know how to turn it off
[10:28] <gdh> delete c:\program files\mirc , download mirc and install again? :)
[10:29] <Strike4ce> lol yea right
[10:29] <troy> man that 'now playing' spam is annoying
[10:30] <troy> we should make those plugins illegal :P
[10:30] <Tm_T> Strike4ce: please stop
[10:30] <Tm_T> Strike4ce: you're only harming yourself
[10:30] <gdh> Strike4ce: Choice: Use a different media player (winamp?) , remove the plugin, or leave the channel.  :)
[10:30] <Strike4ce> sorry I shut it off
[10:31] <_42> what was that k db browser program again?
[10:31] <_42> i keep forgetting the spelling heh
[10:31] <_42> kixe?
[10:31] <gdh> kexi
[10:31] <gdh> No, it doesn't read .MDB files :)
[10:31] <_42> huh
[10:32] <_42> i wanted to use something besides tora to connect oracle heh
[10:32] <gdh> An app that reads/writes MS Access files seems to  be the most popular request for any 'desktop database' app :)
[10:32] <_42> new to kubuntu/debian, but definately not new to linux he
[10:32] <_42> hehh
[10:32] <troy> Latino_ubuntu: it is heavily based on debian, but still different
[10:32] <Latino_ubuntu> troy: so can I use any deb?
[10:32] <troy> Latino_ubuntu: assuming the dependancies are met, yes
[10:33] <troy> Latino_ubuntu: you can even use rpms in some cases by converting them with alien
[10:33] <Latino_ubuntu> I see
[10:33] <troy> Latino_ubuntu: I had to do that for some printer drivers - came only in rpm form, works fine
[10:34] <Latino_ubuntu> troy: does ubuntu come with radeon drivers?
[10:35] <troy> Latino_ubuntu: it has prebuilt packages for them, yes - you'll have to install them yourself though
[10:35] <troy> Latino_ubuntu: apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[10:35] <Latino_ubuntu> can I use kano's scripts?
[10:36] <Latino_ubuntu> lol
[10:38] <troy> Latino_ubuntu: after apt, I just replaced 'ati' with 'fglrx' in my xorg.conf and restarted X -- works for me
[10:40] <Latino_ubuntu> troy:I'll try kanotix's script right now. I'll let you know
[10:41] <Latino_ubuntu> hmm. klik doesn't work well with ubuntu :(
[10:41] <_42> yeah
[10:41] <_42> klik owns
[10:42] <_42> adept is pathetic in IMO
[10:42] <gelberg> just upgraded to breezy - kaffeine now won't play dvds, says "no decoders found to handle stream, might need to install corresponding plugins". do have libdvdcss2 installed.
[10:42] <gdh> _42: adept is a nice and simple piece of work... compare it with Kynaptic.. :)
[10:42] <troy> Latino_ubuntu: I've heard of people having success with klik on hoary, but not breezy -- the packages it gets are the wrong compiler/libc/somesuch-nonsense
[10:43] <Latino_ubuntu> ohh. I see. because the gcc transition?
[10:44] <gelberg> i have just tried changing marillat source to etch. hoary needed sarge marillat
[10:45] <bkudria> i am trying to install kdebase-dev, but it needs a some packages (kate, kicker) to be excatl 4.3.0, while i am running 4.3.1...what do i do?
[10:45] <jsubl2> where is the torrent
[10:45] <motyR> gelberg: could u please post the brezzy marillat source?
[10:46] <bkudria> alternativly, how to i upgrade to breezy?
[10:46] <gelberg> motyR, eh? i'm using the etch source. marillat has ubuntu sources as well as straight debian sources?
[10:47] <gelberg> another thing. anyone find that closing kaffeine leaves a running process behind? i haven't used kde for years - installed this box for my parents. sad to see this type of thing still happens.  and konqeror crashes etc
[10:48] <motyR> gelberg: yea, could u please post the source for the source.list, i havent tried any of the deb repositories
[10:49] <Torch^> sorry  where can  i  find  a  package  list of the  ubuntu  DVD   i'm  interested about  kstars  thanks 
[10:49] <gelberg> motyR, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main.  sarge main worked well with hoary.  didn't work in breezy, trying etch.
[10:50] <rysiek> nope
[10:50] <rysiek> etch doesn't work
[10:50] <motyR> gelberg: ok , 10x alot :)
[10:50] <rysiek> hi there btw :)
[10:50] <gelberg> motyR, i spend lots of time in #debian telling ubuntu users to not fuck up their systems with debian repos, so i guess i should tell you to be careful, and hope you  know what you're doing etc :)
[10:51] <rysiek> gelberg, about kaffeine
[10:51] <rysiek> i don't get it - I've been using Mdk for 2 years
[10:51] <motyR> gelberg: yea i just need those to find some extra packages, not for a full upgrade
[10:51] <rysiek> and there Kaffeine worked ok:
[10:52] <rysiek> no processes left after shutdown
[10:52] <gelberg> rysiek, hmm. do you get that problem in (k)ubuntu?
[10:52] <rysiek> here (here = breezy & hoary) it's there
[10:52] <rysiek> aye
[10:52] <rysiek> as I said
[10:52] <rysiek> no prob under Mandrake/Mandriva
[10:52] <rysiek> under Kubuntu - the process is left behind
[10:52] <gelberg> rysiek, *nod*.  i thought this shit was meant to be user-friendly - should have installed plain debian on my parents' machine.  <running very fast>
[10:53] <rysiek> well...
[10:53] <gelberg> time to find out where one files bugs, i guess
[10:53] <rysiek> this "shit" *IS* user-friendly
[10:53] <rysiek> avary "shit" has it's bugs
[10:53] <rysiek> *every
[10:53] <Latino_ubuntu> troy: I can't apt-get install. do I have to use unionfs?
[10:54] <rysiek> you can always write a script
[10:54] <rysiek> like: kaffeine; killall kaffeine"
[10:54] <rysiek> but that is *very* unneat :)
[10:54] <rysiek> obviously
[10:54] <gelberg> rysiek, where i come from, that's a _massive_ bodge. do you also see the konqi crash from time to time?
[10:54] <mpmc> It's not a bug, Its an advanced feature, unexpected :P
[10:55] <mpmc> lol
[10:55] <rysiek> i didn't have the time to test it :)
[10:55] <jay> hi
[10:55] <rysiek> I've been using Hoary for like a week
[10:55] <rysiek> and breezy for 2 hours :)
[10:55] <rysiek> so no, I haven't
[10:55] <rysiek> but I suppose I will... :/
[10:56] <rysiek> i seem to have a strange issue in menus
[10:56] <jay> anyone succeeded in getting a USB memory card reader to work on breezy so that in the media view of konqueror the cards are displayed as removable media and not as harddiscs ?
[10:56] <gelberg> rysiek, ok. what about the dvd "not playing" thang? seen that?
[10:56] <rysiek> haven't tried
[10:57] <rysiek> but...
[10:57] <rysiek> gimme a sec
[10:57] <Duder29> Im trying to install kubuntu for the first time and when it boots up the cd it gives me errors like... "FATAL EXCEPTION, Kernal Panic, Unable to handle Kernal" and it then freezes. What is goin on? :(
[10:57] <gelberg> Duder29, did you md5sum your iso?
[10:57] <Latino_ubuntu> Duder29: Your doing the same error I'm doing (Using ubuntu)
[10:58] <gelberg> rysiek, it's not hard to replicate. just whack the disk in, click "open dvd" in kaffeine, and then stare blankly at the screen as the error appears :)
[10:58] <Duder29> uhh md5sum? I dont know what that is
[10:58] <mpmc> LOL
[10:58] <gelberg> Duder29, makes sense
[10:58] <Juerd> Make that unblue please
[10:58] <rysiek> yeah, gelberg, have you been to:
[10:58] <rysiek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:58] <mpmc> lol
[10:58] <Duder29> what do I have to do gelberg?
[10:58] <Latino_ubuntu> duder: did you use a torrent or a mirror?
[10:58] <rysiek> there's something about it I think
[10:58] <Juerd> Get rid of the color, please
[10:58] <Duder29> mirror
[10:59] <mpmc> lol
[10:59] <gelberg> rysiek, sure have. i got the libdvdcss from marillat. worked great in hoary
[10:59] <Latino_ubuntu> duder29: then you need to do md5sum
[10:59] <Juerd> mpmc: I am asking YOU.
[10:59] <rysiek> hmmm
[10:59] <Juerd> mpmc: If you are unable to participate in a normal way, please leave the channel.
[10:59] <Rogue_Jedi_X> mpmc: You really need to expand your vocabulary
[10:59] <Duder29> Latino_ubuntu I have never heard of md5sum
[10:59] <gelberg> Duder29, man md5sum. then make sure it's correct as per the download site
[10:59] <rysiek> I haven't got a DVD near at hand right now
[10:59] <Strike4ce> what ate the advantages of using kubuntu?
[10:59] <mcquaid> anyone try to comile a kde app yet in breezy? i've compiled a few without issue in hoary but now i'm getting:
[10:59] <Strike4ce> compared to IE
[10:59] <Latino_ubuntu> duder29: $md5sum kubunto_whatever_else_the_name_is.iso
[10:59] <gelberg> Strike4ce, it has kde by default making it less poncy :)
[10:59] <mcquaid> onfigure: error: Set $QTDIR to the Qt directory, eg. /usr/lib/qt3
[11:00] <Juerd> Strike4ce: That's a rather filosophical question
[11:00] <rysiek> comparing Kubuntu to IE
[11:00] <mcquaid> i have all the dev, libs installed
[11:00] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Strike4ce: IE is a program, Kubuntu is an operating system
[11:00] <Strike4ce> what about spyware and popups?
[11:00] <rysiek> is like comparing, what's better:
[11:00] <rysiek> a car or an egg
[11:00] <rysiek> man, those are completely different categories! :)
[11:00] <Duder29> man I have no clue what that means Latino_ubuntu
[11:00] <Strike4ce> im just asking im not an expert computer user
[11:00] <gelberg> don't you guys have a bot, on #debian, we have a bot to instantly laugh at such questions :)
[11:00] <Duder29> :(
[11:00] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yeah, eggs clearly have better aerodynamics
[11:00] <rysiek> agreed
[11:01] <rysiek> :)
[11:01] <gelberg> Duder29, do you know what man md5sum means?
[11:01] <Duder29> no I dont
[11:01] <Duder29> never heard of it
[11:01] <gelberg> Duder29, do you know what man means?
[11:01] <rysiek> Strike*: Kubuntu is an Operating System - like WinDoze
[11:01] <Latino_ubuntu> Duder.do you know what a terminal is?
[11:01] <mcquaid> gelberg, man is a command for manuals
[11:01] <Duder29> what man means?
[11:01] <Latino_ubuntu> manual
[11:01] <Duder29> no I dont
[11:01] <rysiek> IE is an internet browser - a program, like Firefox
[11:01] <mcquaid> like try man cp for example
[11:01] <Duder29> I think I know what the terminal is
[11:01] <gelberg> mcquaid, thanks, but Duder29 needs to know that
[11:02] <Strike4ce> you shouldnt mess with people that might turnout to be fulltime users of kubunta
[11:02] <rysiek> i'm not messing
[11:02] <Latino_ubuntu> duder: hold on, I'll give you the command
[11:02] <rysiek> i'm explaining
[11:02] <Strike4ce> its very discouraging. Im only asking
[11:02] <mcquaid> and md5sum is a checksum that can be generated to verify files
[11:02] <rysiek> ok, sorry for that
[11:02] <rysiek> trying again
[11:02] <Duder29> Latino_ubuntu I am running windows XP right now so I dont have a terminal
[11:02] <kevman> Hello, I just installed Breezy from scratch.
[11:02] <mcquaid> i can't seem to compile any kde apps in breezy
[11:02] <gelberg> Strike4ce, this is very interesting for me. if it's any consolation, you get handled with kid gloves here compared to some #channels
[11:02] <rysiek> Strike* do you know the difference between an operating system and a program?
[11:03] <kevman> But it won't take my user name and password to logon. Can I reset them?
[11:03] <Latino_ubuntu> duder:do you have your iso in your windows partition?
[11:03] <Duder29> yes
[11:03] <Latino_ubuntu> k. hold on
[11:03] <Duder29> ok
[11:03] <gelberg> kevman, sure. boot in single user mode. become root. passwd <username>
[11:03] <Strike4ce> i like kubuntu and i only have one problem and that one problem is making me keep microsoft
[11:03] <rysiek> and that is?..
[11:03] <Strike4ce> otherwise I would get rid of it
[11:04] <Juerd> Strike4ce: You should compare Kubuntu to Windows, not to IE. IE is only part of Windows, as Konqueror is part of Kubuntu.
[11:04] <rysiek> aye... and the problem is?
[11:04] <Strike4ce> www.bnsf.com/emu look at the system requirements
[11:04] <Latino_ubuntu> ahh, ubuntu's font real sucks
[11:04] <kevman> I don't recall it asking for a root password :/
[11:04] <Juerd> Latino_ubuntu: You can install the msttcorefonts package from universe to get Microsoft's fonts. 
[11:04] <Juerd> MS is bad, but their fonts are not
[11:05] <Tm_T> Juerd: disagree
[11:05] <rysiek> Strike*
[11:05] <Strike4ce> i have to have microsoft virtual machine to access that emulator and java sun does'nt work
[11:05] <rysiek> # Netscape 4.5+ Series
[11:05] <rysiek> # Netscape 7.0+ with JRE 1.4.
[11:05] <Latino_ubuntu> juerd: how do I do it? apt-get install msttcorefonts?
[11:05] <Strike4ce> I need that emulator for work purposes
[11:05] <Juerd> kevman: You can execute a single command as root using "sudo command", i.e. "sudo cat /etc/shadow"
[11:05] <rysiek> wait
[11:05] <Juerd> kevman: It will then ask you for your own password.
[11:05] <gelberg> Strike4ce, take a look at qemu. not sure if it's in ubuntu. it's in debian for sure
[11:05] <Juerd> Latino_ubuntu: Yes. But you have to have universe enabled.
[11:05] <rysiek> Strike
[11:05] <Strike4ce> i like kubuntu
[11:05] <kevman> But it doesn't seem to be accepting my password.
[11:05] <Strike4ce> yes
[11:05] <rysiek> Netskape 4,5+ means
[11:06] <Latino_ubuntu> and what's universe enabled?
[11:06] <rysiek> "install Firefox and you're OK" :)
[11:06] <Strike4ce> nope firefox wont run the page already tried it
[11:06] <Duder29> Latino_ubuntu any luck?
[11:06] <rysiek> errr...
[11:06] <Strike4ce> yea
[11:06] <Juerd> kevman: How many users does your system have? Only the one you created during installation will have administrative rights, unless you give others those rights too.
[11:06] <rysiek> have you installed the Java plugin?
[11:06] <Latino_ubuntu> duder: still looking for the md5sum command for win
[11:06] <Strike4ce> ticks me off cuz i really like firefox
[11:06] <kevman> One.
[11:06] <kevman> Like I said, its a brand new install.
[11:06] <Latino_ubuntu> ahh, no mc
[11:07] <Strike4ce> yes it used to use java sun but they changed to MVM
[11:07] <rysiek> damn
[11:07] <Juerd> !universe
[11:07] <ubotu> ask me about !repositories
[11:07] <rysiek> well, I can't help you then :/
[11:07] <Juerd> !repositories
[11:07] <ubotu> rumour has it, sources is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[11:07] <Juerd> Latino_ubuntu: Have a look at the first and third link.
[11:07] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Does Breezy have amaroK 1.3?
[11:07] <BlankB> Strike4ce: Have you tried the app in firefox under kubuntu?
[11:08] <Tm_T> Rogue_Jedi_X: sure
[11:08] <Tm_T> 1.3.1
[11:08] <Juerd> kevman: Before executing the sudo command, type in your password on the normal command prompt
[11:08] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Tm_T: Sweet
[11:08] <Latino_ubuntu> it has kde 1.3.1 and KDE 3.4.3
[11:08] <Juerd> kevman: Verify that it is what you need it to be
[11:08] <rysiek> ok, guys, hope it's an easy question:
[11:08] <doowtniop> Tm_T: are you syre?
[11:08] <doowtniop> * sure
[11:08] <Latino_ubuntu> it has amarok 1.3.1 and KDE 3.4.3 *
[11:08] <rysiek> I've got a funny issue with menus
[11:08] <Tm_T> doowtniop: oh yes
[11:08] <kevman> Normal command prompt? 
[11:08] <rysiek> I've got dark colour scheme
[11:08] <Juerd> kevman: Yes, where you type the sudo thing
[11:08] <rysiek> + Baghira installed
[11:09] <Strike4ce> BlankB java will not work only microsoft virtual macine
[11:09] <Juerd> kevman: There you can see if your keyboard is configured correctly, if you type the password :)
[11:09] <rysiek> the "Selected Background" is more or less maroon
[11:09] <Juerd> kevman: This is just a check, not a command.
[11:09] <doowtniop> hrm
[11:09] <kevman> It was configured...
[11:09] <Tm_T> doowtniop: and, http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/119-You-want-to-bash-someone.html
[11:09] <rysiek> BUT in all the menus the selected line is all black
[11:09] <rysiek> any ideas? :)
[11:09] <rysiek> btw, i think i liked better the old Control Centre :/
[11:10] <BlankB> Strike4ce: under the requirements it says Netscape 7.0+ with JRE 1.4.x that should work with firefox.
[11:10] <kevman> I'll be back.
[11:10] <doowtniop> Tm_T: ahh...yes, that's what I was thinking about :)
[11:10] <_42> ok
[11:11] <_42> i apt-gett'ed koffice, how do i make it so that KDE picks up the program?
[11:11] <Tm_T> Strike4ce: and, I think Konqueror can be equiv and much more to netscape7
[11:11] <_42> as in, installs the panel icons etc
[11:11] <Strike4ce> heh heh im talking to support now
[11:11] <rysiek> :)
[11:11] <Strike4ce> he is checking to see for debian linux
[11:11] <Duder29> latino did u get that pm?
[11:12] <rysiek> nobody seems to have any ideas how to fix that, apparently :/
[11:12] <Strike4ce> BlankB trust me it doesnt work with irefox I already tried it
[11:12] <Strike4ce> firefox
[11:12] <BlankB> Strike4ce: what happens when you try it.?
[11:13] <Strike4ce> firefox doesnt use microsoft virtual machine it uses java
[11:13] <Strike4ce> the emulator will not open
[11:13] <Strike4ce> im talking to a techie now he put me on hold
[11:13] <rysiek> ok, menyu problem beats this group, let's try something else ;)
[11:13] <BlankB> do you get any error messages.? What Im getting at is...is the jre installed on the machine with firefox?
[11:14] <rysiek> win32codecs
[11:14] <Strike4ce> I get nothing it will not load the page.
[11:14] <rysiek> I have done, what TFM says
[11:14] <Duder29> should I just re download maybe from a torrent this time? will it fix my problem?
[11:14] <Strike4ce> it doesnt use jre
[11:14] <rysiek> added the line to sources.list
[11:14] <rysiek> updated
[11:14] <Strike4ce> only microsoft virtual macine
[11:14] <rysiek> and tried to install win32codecs
[11:15] <latino> Duder29: when you burn the cd, did you burn it at 4x?
[11:15] <orugo> hello!!
[11:15] <rysiek> apt asked if I really want to install a package that cannot be verified (?!)
[11:15] <orugo> latino! hablas espaol?
[11:15] <rysiek> hi
[11:15] <latino> si, pq?
[11:15] <orugo> jaja
[11:15] <orugo> yo tambien
[11:15] <orugo> soy de argentina
[11:15] <latino> cool
[11:15] <latino> que ondas che
[11:15] <Duder29> latino no I burned it at 32X
[11:15] <rysiek> fajnie, zescie sie dogadali chlopcy
[11:16] <latino> Duder: burn it again but this time at 4x. trust me
[11:16] <rysiek> ale myslalem, ze to angielski kanal :P
[11:16] <Duder29> ok, I will try that right now
[11:16] <rysiek> Duder: and d/l it not thru torrent
[11:16] <rysiek> but directly thry ftp/http
[11:16] <Strike4ce> Just finished talking to the tech and he said the emulator will not work with Firefox or kubuntu
[11:16] <rysiek> i love those guys in tech supports
[11:16] <latino>  Duder29: http://www.etree.org/cgi-bin/counter.cgi/software/md5sum.exe
[11:16] <Strike4ce> no biggie
[11:17] <Duder29> rysiek I downloaded it straight from the website
[11:17] <Strike4ce> I have a dual boot laptop
[11:17] <rysiek> ok
[11:17] <latino> de q parte de arg, sos?
[11:17] <orugo> bsas!
[11:17] <orugo> vos tb sos de arg?
[11:17] <Strike4ce> he said I could probably run windows inside of linux and get the emulator to run
[11:17] <orugo> hey i have SOUND problems :(
[11:17] <rysiek> gtg guys
[11:17] <latino> no, pero los arg y salvadorenos hablamos de vos
[11:17] <Strike4ce> what programs will do that?
[11:17] <BlankB> Strike4ce not to keep pressing the point but their website says it will work with jre 1.4.x
[11:18] <orugo> no lo sabia!
[11:18] <rysiek> cu later
[11:18] <gelberg> latino, why would you say trust me when there's no reason for him to? don't you thnk he should md5sum the iso first?
[11:18] <latino> simon
[11:18] <Strike4ce> yes, but the tech sys it will not work with jre
[11:18] <Strike4ce> i guess they need to update
[11:18] <Strike4ce> the site?
[11:18] <Duder29> latino, how do I use this md5sum?
[11:18] <latino> duder29: do you know the command line?
[11:18] <Strike4ce> only compatible with microsoft virtual machine
[11:19] <Strike4ce> after using kubuntu microsoft bores me
[11:19] <Duder29> yes
[11:19] <latino> k. go to the command line. go to the directory where the iso is
[11:19] <orugo> hey
[11:19] <Strike4ce> im at get: 176
[11:19] <Strike4ce> WOOHOO
[11:19] <orugo> my sound doesnt works
[11:19] <orugo> what should i do?
[11:19] <latino> and type md5sum whatever_the_file_is_called.iso
[11:19] <Duder29> ok cool
[11:19] <Duder29> thanks
[11:20] <willie> why does kubuntu ask for a CD to be inserted when I apt-get install  build-essential g++ ?
[11:20] <orugo> when i installed mandrake i worked automatically
[11:20] <willie> I need these to recompile a kernel - maybe then I can get 3D to work 
[11:20] <latino> it will give you a weird hexadecimal number
[11:20] <orugo> cause most of the files are in the cd
[11:20] <orugo> not all from internet
[11:20] <latino> duder: it will take a while
[11:20] <willie> there is no mention of a CD in sources
[11:20] <Strike4ce> What programs will run windows inside linux?
[11:20] <trs4ece> Trying to use Gaim instead of Kopete but it refuses to play any sounds.  Any idea why?
[11:20] <Strike4ce> you may not have gotten all the updates
[11:21] <orugo> no but maybe the atp can install the files from cd (if they are there) and then from internet
[11:21] <willie> just done a apt-get update
[11:21] <latino> duder: is kubuntu or ubuntu?
[11:21] <latino> oh, is the install or the live cd?
[11:21] <Strike4ce> well scroll up and read it closely cuz it might list the problem that it couldnt get the files at this time
[11:22] <orugo> hey
[11:22] <Duder29> kubuntu install
[11:22] <orugo> i need help with sound plz :(
[11:22] <latino> does anyone know the md5sum of the kubuntu install?
[11:22] <BlankB> strike4ce: There are a couple emulators for x86. Lemme look up what they are called. Just a sec.
[11:23] <trs4ece> Is GAIM supported on Kubuntu?
[11:23] <Strike4ce> i think one is crossover and the other wine
[11:23] <Strike4ce> wine is not a emulator though
[11:23] <Duder29> latino I got a big long number
[11:23] <jo_> hullo
[11:23] <Duder29> what am I looking for?
[11:24] <latino> you need to compare that number with the official number. I'm looking it right now, hold on
[11:24] <jo_> little question, im currently running kubuntu hoary on an old ppc
[11:24] <jo_> if i want to update with apt
[11:24] <jo_> do i have to change my repositories to a special ppc dir
[11:25] <jo_> or the ones on the wiki upgrade help will do?
[11:25] <Duder29> k thanks man
[11:25] <frank23> jo_: no, just change to breezy
[11:25] <BlankB> strike4ce: did you get those /msg 's I sent you?
[11:26] <jo_> say kk thx
[11:26] <frank23> jo_: apt will know it has to use ppc
[11:26] <jo_> sweet thx
[11:26] <latino> I'm trying to open http://82.211.81.152/kubuntu/5.10/MD5SUMS but it's taking a while
[11:26] <jo_> how do i talk to someone on irc like u just did
[11:26] <latino> 1dae9ca81cf3eb1dbe7966f39a39daf3
[11:27] <jo_> kk nm got it
[11:27] <latino> that's the number is it equal than yours?
[11:27] <frank23> jo_: write the name before
[11:27] <mpmc> Hi, where are the nvidia drtivers?
[11:27] <Duder29> yes thats the same number :)
[11:27] <Tm_T> mpmc: aah no more colours!
[11:27] <Tm_T> =)
[11:27] <latino> k. that means you iso is correct
[11:27] <mpmc> where are the nvidia numbers?
[11:27] <jo_> kk thx for the help
[11:27] <jo_> peace
[11:27] <latino> now burn again the cd but at 4x
[11:27] <frank23> mpmc: you can install them with adept
[11:28] <Duder29> ok I will try that latino
[11:29] <latino> k, I gotta go. good luck
[11:29] <Duder29> thanks again
[11:29] <Duder29> take care
[11:31] <mzelem> hi, could someone tell me were the xconfig file is in kubuntu, and if there is a graphical x-configurator?\
[11:31] <mpmc> erm.. how do I search with adept?
[11:32] <mpmc> lol, sorry for the noobie questions
[11:32] <mzelem> mpmc: doesn't adept have a search box at the top?
[11:33] <frank23> mpmc: the quick filter is the search
[11:33] <Strike4ce> what is python 2.4?
[11:33] <mpmc> ohhh
[11:33] <mpmc> lol
[11:33] <mpmc> duh...
[11:33] <mzelem> Strike4ce: Python is a scripting language...
[11:33] <Kano> hi, ist koffice 1.4.2 in kubuntu?
[11:34] <Strike4ce> ok
[11:34] <frank23> Kano: no, 1.4.1 is
[11:34] <Strike4ce> If im running my updates thru terminal shouldnt I be able to see the download of adept?
[11:35] <Latino_ubuntu> lol, look whos here
[11:35] <frank23> Strike4ce: I don't understand
[11:35] <mzelem> so can someone tell me where the x configuration file is in kubuntu?
[11:35] <frank23> mzelem: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:35] <mzelem> oh... ok, thanks
[11:36] <Strike4ce> well im installing the new updates now and its scrolling right in front of me
[11:36] <god-zero> anyone else seeding kubuntu? I'm only pushing, say, 64KB/s
[11:36] <gelberg> found my dvd playing problem. the upgrade installed kaffeine/gstreamer interface. had to reset the engine in kaffeine menu. all is hunky-dory :)
[11:36] <frank23> Strike4ce: umm, yeah you should see adept as it is in kubuntu
[11:36] <Strike4ce> 12.7mb installed lol
[11:37] <Strike4ce> only about 647mb to go
[11:37] <Jojeta> hi! I'm using kubuntu 5.04 and I want to upgrade to 5.10. I search the website and I found this only: "Users of Kubuntu 5.04 (Hoary) can upgrade to Breezy by editing /etc/apt/sources.list and running sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.". What's the meaning of "editing /etc/apt/sources.list"?
[11:37] <frank23> gelberg: yeah, I don't know why they switched to gstreamer for kaffeine, I just switched it back
[11:37] <Strike4ce> i mean 637mb to go LMAO
[11:38] <Kano> well i hope to get 1.4.2 in kanotix then...
[11:38] <Kano> bye
[11:38] <Strike4ce> Jojeta open up terminal and use those commands
[11:38] <Strike4ce> konsole(terminal)
[11:38] <frank23> Jojeta: you have to open /etc/apt/sources.list and change hoary to breezy ini it
[11:38] <god-zero> I hit 144KB/s peak, but 32-64Kb/s typical. I'm using ktorrent BTW.
[11:39] <Strike4ce> oh yeah
[11:39] <Jojeta> frank23, every hoary to breezy?
[11:39] <ubuntu> hello
[11:39] <mzelem> does kubuntu have a x configurator gui?
[11:39] <frank23> Jojeta: in sources.list, yes
[11:39] <Strike4ce> there is acommand that does it
[11:39] <Jojeta> frank23, even if my sources are not the US sources?
[11:40] <god-zero> mzelem: huh? please give more info
[11:40] <gelberg> frank23, aha. don't know if you were around when i mentioned the issue before.  :)  any idea why my full-screen dvd playback is not filling the screen anymore (massive black border)
[11:40] <DoctorMO> I'm booted up on Kubuntu 5.04, whats the quickest way to install it?
[11:40] <frank23> Jojeta: yes all the different mirrors have breezy on them
[11:40] <mzelem> ok, really I'm just trying to figure out how to make my wheel work on my Blue tooth mouse
[11:40] <mpmc> How do I change the item single click into a double click.. I get confused when using windows..
[11:40] <Jojeta> thank you!
[11:40] <DoctorMO> mzelem: you need to map your z axis
[11:40] <Jojeta> good bye!
[11:40] <frank23> DoctorMO: did you boot with the live CD?
[11:40] <Strike4ce> here sudo sed -i s/hoary/brezy/ /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:40] <DoctorMO> frank23: yep
[11:41] <Ayiden> Hi I was wondering does the new kubuntu come with the kernel sources?
[11:41] <frank23> DoctorMO: you need the install cd to install
[11:41] <mzelem> like this? Option		"ZAxisMapping"		"4 5"
[11:41] <DoctorMO> mpmc: you mean the icons?
[11:41] <DoctorMO> frank23: take awhile to download, any other options?
[11:41] <Strike4ce> jojeta use that comman
[11:41] <god-zero> Ayiden: not on cd, gotta d/l it
[11:41] <frank23> mpmc: I did that once before.... I will try to find how
[11:41] <DoctorMO> mzelem: yes like that
[11:41] <Ayiden> okay
[11:41] <Ayiden> where do you get them? 
[11:42] <mpmc> I mean on like folders etc...
[11:42] <mzelem> well, thats working for my ps2 mouse, but how do I get it to work for my bluetooth mouse?
[11:42] <Strike4ce> where can i get a list of basic commands for kubuntu or just linux commands?
[11:42] <DoctorMO> mzelem: it's the same way but you need to make sure they are the right buttons and you need to make sure the bluetooth mouse is defined correctly
[11:42] <_42> i did apt-get install koffice, which was okay
[11:43] <_42> except i dont know how to get kexi into it...
[11:43] <gelberg> Strike4ce, get a book. there is a debian flashcard somewhere, i think
[11:43] <Strike4ce> lol
[11:43] <mzelem> DoctorMO: ok, well, it looks like there really is only 1 mouse defined...
[11:43] <Strike4ce> flashcards?
[11:43] <gelberg> Strike4ce, reference card type-thing
[11:43] <Strike4ce> i stopped using them in the 3rd grade
[11:43] <DoctorMO> mzelem: as a test cat the dev node and see if the scroll wheel produces output
[11:44] <gelberg> Strike4ce, http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/
[11:44] <mpmc> Whats a good GUI for php on linux.. ? I like screem anything, like it for KDE?
[11:44] <mzelem> DoctorMO:  already tried that, doesn't work....
[11:44] <chavo> mpmc, try quanta
[11:44] <Strike4ce> I quit school in the thrid grade cuz of recess!! I dont F*cking PLAY!
[11:44] <djib> hey
[11:44] <djib> I just installed kubuntu
[11:44] <mpmc> chavo: don't like it
[11:44] <djib> I was wondering about the apt/source.list file
[11:45] <god-zero> Ayiden: synaptic/kynaptic/adept...kerenel-source-??
[11:45] <djib> can I use my old one (from 5.04) just replacing hoary by breezy ?
[11:45] <Strike4ce> damn a long as this install of updates is taking I could have just uninstalled kubunta burn a disc and reinstalled in the time its taking
[11:45] <DoctorMO> mzelem: then it looks like it's a bluetooth problem
[11:45] <Torch^> sorry  can  anybody  tell  me  if  kstars  is included  on  the   kubuntu  live DVD (PPC)? thx  
[11:45] <DoctorMO> what do I do if I only have a liveCD an internet connection and no way to burn anything?
[11:45] <gelberg> Strike4ce, why don't you sit back and reflect on the power of apt
[11:45] <mzelem> DoctorMO: ok thanks for the help, Do I have to define the different mice seperately?
[11:46] <Strike4ce> gelberg im just playing but yea I will look it over
[11:46] <DoctorMO> mzelem: it's always a good idea
[11:46] <god-zero> holly cra& !! this irc channel went wild
[11:46] <Strike4ce> I need that book caled debian linux for dummies
[11:46] <mpmc> I wish screem would work & look great on KDE
[11:46] <gelberg> Strike4ce, no, you need the book "the debian system" by martin krafft
[11:47] <mzelem> DoctorMO: ok, but I'm not much good with the xorg.conf file... 
[11:47] <DoctorMO> mzelem: create a new deffintion but with a different id
[11:47] <Strike4ce> was that a compliment? You upgrade me from the dummy version
[11:47] <mpmc> #join bot2k3
[11:47] <mpmc> oops...
[11:47] <mpmc> wong window
[11:48] <MEtaLpREs> is there an easy way to repartition a drive that already has kubuntu installed on it so that i can dual boot xp without killing the kubuntu install?
[11:48] <gelberg> Strike4ce, nah, just telling you to read something worth reading :)
[11:48] <gelberg> !tell MEtaLpREs about parted
[11:48] <Strike4ce> I know just bored here trying to spur discussion
[11:48] <gelberg> oops
[11:48] <gelberg> MEtaLpREs, check out gnu parted
[11:48] <MEtaLpREs> i so dont want xp on here, but i really want to play some of the newer games that dont have linux ports
[11:48] <mzelem> DoctorMO: what do I put under Protocol for bluetooth?
[11:49] <gelberg> MEtaLpREs, also, make sure to backup your mbr as windows will overwrite it on install.  p.s. get a gamecube instead
[11:49] <MEtaLpREs> is there any HOWTO's on how to do it so i can repartition the drive and update grub?
[11:49] <Strike4ce> gelberg I will I like this
[11:49] <gelberg> ubotu, parted is a GNU program for creating, destroying, resizing, checking and copying partitions.  http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/parted.html
[11:49] <ubotu> okay, gelberg
[11:50] <MEtaLpREs> i dont like console gaming, im a big fan of the mouse and keyboard
[11:50] <gelberg> Strike4ce, ?
[11:50] <Jojeta> hi! I'm trying to upgrade. I have changed all hoary to breezy in sources.list, but "apt-get update" says: "Bad header line [IP: 82.211.81.167 80] " about every source
[11:50] <Strike4ce> im going to read what you said and i am impressed with kubuntu
[11:50] <Strike4ce> gelberg
[11:51] <Chousuke> Jojeta: Stress on servers I guess.
[11:51] <DoctorMO> mzelem: I do not know, I've never had a bluetooth mouse
[11:51] <Chousuke> Try again later.
[11:52] <mzelem> DoctorMO: ok, thanks a lot for the help
[11:52] <Chousuke> Almost every ubuntu user in the world is tryin to upgrade now :P
[11:52] <gelberg> MEtaLpREs, there are a million howtos out there. make sure to read a good one.  first thing is to shrink your partition with parted. create a boot floppy or something else to get into your linux system.  perhaps have a knoppix cd ready. great for this stuff.  then install windows. then boot knoppix and reinstall grub.  edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to be able to choose windows boot if grub doesn't find it automatically.
[11:52] <Jojeta> Chousuke, ok... thanks
[11:52] <gelberg> Strike4ce, good. so am i, despite being a debian afficionado. if you're new to linux, i'd say you'll love it
[11:52] <Strike4ce> here jojeta sudo sed -i s/hoary/brezy/ /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:53] <MEtaLpREs> i have a ubuntu live cd, can i use that so i dont have to grab knoppix?
[11:53] <Strike4ce> thast the command to change from hoary to breezy right?
[11:53] <gelberg> MEtaLpREs, yeah. i find knoppix boots quicker.  :)
[11:54] <gelberg> MEtaLpREs, just boot it, mount your linux partition if the live cd doesn't do so, chroot /mountpoint, then you'll be in your linux system and can reinstall grub
[11:57] <jsubl2> the torrent speed is pretty good
[12:01] <Duder29> damn it! I re burned at 4x and Im still getting a Kernal error when booting up the install cd :(
[12:02] <othernoob> which keyboard layout could be used for a generic 105 keys+15multimedia keys keyboard?
[12:02] <Kay> hi all
[12:02] <bazan> i'm upgrading to breezy
[12:03] <jsubl2> Duder29: what kinda pc/laptop
[12:03] <Strike4ce> my updates are coming from the breezy archive thats what I want right?
[12:03] <jsubl2> yep