[12:02] <Bicchi> Kamion: I just want to avoid slow downloads and do it right away.
[12:02] <ikmo> Hi all, is there anyone from the art team in here please?
[12:02] <Kamion> \sh: you are nearly out of time
[12:03] <Kamion> we aren't going to wait
[12:03] <Kamion> \sh: remember that the buildds have to catch up with your uploads *before* release, too
[12:03] <\sh> Kamion: yeah...I'm hurring up
[12:03] <Kamion> \sh: learn to love the way bugs can be handled next release rather than rushed through for this one
[12:03] <\sh> Kamion: but for dapper I need to find a quad xeon sponsor
[12:04] <fabbione> mdz: sparc tftpboot install and miniso install are good too :)
[12:04] <\sh> Kamion: only some ftbfs stuff the last packages..if someone is saying now..."buildds closed"...I'll just test the cds with my working laptop now
[12:06] <\sh> good thing is, actually, that I have a free day today
[12:06] <\sh> elmo: thx 
[12:08] <fabbione> mdz: i can't see anything obvious in dccprobe.. i will have to look at it when i am more awake
[12:08] <mdz> fabbione: ok, thanks
[12:09] <fabbione> no problem
[12:09] <fabbione> it can't be fixed for breezy anyway
[12:10] <mdz> ogra: still here?
[12:10] <ajmitch> \sh: hopefully for dapper we can do builds on the launchpad system
[12:11] <ogra> mdz, what a question :)
[12:11] <fabbione> mdz: is there anything else i need to do before crashing?
[12:12] <mdz> fabbione: if all your test results are in the table, no, good night
[12:12] <mdz> ogra: how is edubuntu?
[12:12] <Kamion> (Edubuntu DVDs are currently building, BTW)
[12:12] <Kamion> Riddell: Kubuntu DVDs are published
[12:12] <ogra> mdz, last iso was fine, just copying the final iso over to my writer
[12:12] <fabbione> Kamion: have the Ubuntu-server CD been rebuilded already?
[12:13] <Kamion> fabbione: yes
[12:13] <fabbione> mdz: ok.. i am gonna test one of them again
[12:13] <Riddell> Kamion: only amd64 is there
[12:13] <fabbione> Kamion: thanks
[12:13] <Kamion> Riddell: ah, it'll still be mirroring then
[12:13] <Riddell> right
[12:13] <mdz> Kamion: what's left to build CD-wise?
[12:13] <Nafallo> fabbione: there is a special cd for servers?
[12:14] <Kamion> the only images left to build are Edubuntu DVDs (in progress), then non-release stuff: ports install/live, livecd-base
[12:14] <fabbione> Nafallo: yes..
[12:14] <Nafallo> that's news to me :-)
[12:14] <fabbione> Nafallo: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/
[12:14] <Kamion> Nafallo: it's rather new
[12:15] <Nafallo> what's the diffrence from regular with server on the prompt?
[12:15] <fabbione> Nafallo: the pkgs on CD
[12:15] <Kamion> Nafallo: different set of stuff on the CD; a bunch of server applications in place of the desktop
[12:16] <Kamion> (only the server boot option, though, you don't get a huge bunch of servers installed by default)
[12:17] <jbailey> Is it live + cd for a dvd rsync?
[12:17] <Nafallo> oki. then regular + internet give me no diffrence :-)
[12:17] <fabbione> jbailey: yes
[12:17] <Riddell> jbailey: how does that work?
[12:18] <fabbione> Riddell: cp live dvd && cat install >> dvd && rsync ;)
[12:18] <Riddell> I'm sceptical but I'll give it a go
[12:19] <Kamion> Riddell: works pretty well in practice
[12:19] <jbailey> Riddell: It seemed to cut about 30% off the last one I did.
[12:19] <jbailey> Good enough for me. =)
[12:19] <Kamion> you have to download .debs not on the install CD, obviously, but the rest helps
[12:23] <dobwan> whiprush, are you going to mirror 5.10?
[12:28] <\sh> elmo: please sync dbishell 0.8.9-7 from debian unstable (ubuntu override OK, missed that, sry)
[12:28] <Keybuk> Kamion: confirmed; automatic partitioning doesn't find my ntfs drive
[12:28] <Keybuk> but manual does
[12:28] <Kamion> Keybuk: ok, that's at least consistent, thanks
[12:33] <Keybuk> meh, now where the hell are my gorram hoary CDs?
[12:33] <Keybuk> I know I blew some
[12:37] <mdz> yay, bandwidth restored
[12:37] <mdz> should be able to start DVD testing in <30m
[12:37] <jdong> Is there any plan of fixing 17410?
[12:37] <ogra> lucky you :)
[12:37] <fabbione> AHHHHH 
[12:37] <ogra> jdong, the archive is frozen
[12:37] <Keybuk> hmm
[12:37] <mdz> jdong: see /topic
[12:37] <fabbione> nice midnight snack
[12:37] <Keybuk> autorun isn't working for me
[12:37] <ogra> fabbione, !!
[12:38] <jdong> ogra: those upgrading to Breezy won't be amused
[12:38] <Keybuk> XP thinks that 20051012.2 install is a "Pictures" CD
[12:38] <mdz> jdong: we've already discussed that here and it will be addressed through breezy-updates
[12:38] <fabbione> Keybuk: not here... mine was fine
[12:38] <jdong> mdz: k, that clears it up :)
[12:38] <Keybuk> there isn't an autorun anything on it, in fact
[12:38] <Keybuk> fabbione: live or install?
[12:38] <fabbione> Keybuk: live
[12:39] <fabbione> oh
[12:39] <fabbione> ok
[12:39] <Keybuk> maybe that's deliberate *shrug*
[12:41] <Kamion> BreezyTestPlan reformatted; please insert line breaks as I've done, it makes the whole thing a lot more readable
[12:42] <fabbione> Kamion: wow... i
[12:42] <ogra> would someone like to test edubuntu ppc or amd64 ? 
[12:43] <ogra> or x86 dvd ?
[12:44] <wasabi_> jbailey, ping
[12:45] <wasabi_> jbailey, usplashL
[12:45] <wasabi_>         if [ $VESA = "true" ] ; then
[12:45] <wasabi_>                 insmod /lib/modules/`uname -r`/initrd/vesafb.ko
[12:45] <wasabi_> That module is never copied to the initrd.
[12:45] <wasabi_> that I can tell, anyways.
[12:46] <jbailey> wasabi_: /usr/share/initrams-tools/hooks/kernelextras
[12:46] <jbailey> Thekernel maintainers decide on some things that should be always loaded, so we load 'em.
[12:46] <wasabi_> NOt following.
[12:46] <wasabi_> Passing vga=* on the command line fails.
[12:47] <jbailey> You said it wasn't copied to the initramfs, and I told you what copies it.. =)
[12:47] <wasabi_> Well, /initrd/vesafb.ko isn't present heh
[12:47] <jbailey> wasabi_: Can you trace the function and figure out why it's not copying for you?  It does on all my machines.
[12:51] <Knorrie> hi I would like to know if this has something to do with a bug: http://od251.csrdelft.nl/ubuntu/Screenshot-2.png
[12:51] <Knorrie> I'm trying to get my keyboard 'e ^e accents working since 16:00 today (it's now 0:53 here)
[12:53] <wasabi_> hmm. my initrd has no /lib/modules/*/initrd. Tracking it down.
[12:53] <seb128> what does the lines of the msg write?
[12:54] <jbailey> wasabi_: Try adding "set -x" to the top of that script.
[12:54] <fabbione> Knorrie: it looks like your /etc/X11/xkb/base.xml is corrupted
[12:55] <seb128> or the gconf settings are crappy
[12:55] <fabbione> seb128: note the keyboard selector has only one kbd listed..
[12:56] <Knorrie> fabbione: yeah i can add and remove there, but whatever i choose, i get error dialogs like the one in the screenshot
[12:56] <seb128> is us_intl a correct keymap?
[12:56] <Knorrie> seb128: I use it at work in breezy, and it has the correct behaviour with ^e etc
[12:56] <wasabi_> jbailey, it's loadingt he one in ./kernel/drivers/video/vesafb.so instead
[12:57] <wasabi_> force_load gets it
[12:57] <Knorrie> fabbione: /etc/X11/xkb/base.xml: No such file or director <== is that bad?
[12:57] <wasabi_> It is going thru /lib/modules/*/initrd, and it's adding them, but they're being resolved to the ones in kernel
[12:58] <fabbione> Knorrie: yes.. apt-get install xkeyboard-config
[12:58] <wasabi_> Which to me seems to make the most sense.
[12:58] <fabbione> that's the whole reason of all those errors
[12:58] <wasabi_> the /initrd directory confuses me
[12:58] <seb128> fabbione: no ...
[12:58] <Knorrie> fabbione: i have a base.xml in /etc/X11/xkb/rules
[12:58] <seb128> fabbione: do you have this file?
[12:58] <HiddenWolf> seb128, I'm having a very odd reproducible bug with keyboard applet 
[12:58] <fabbione> seb128: yes i do
[12:58] <fabbione> Knorrie: sorry.. rules/
[12:59] <Knorrie> fabbione: xkeyboard-config is already the newest version. :)
[12:59] <seb128> fabbione: right
[12:59] <fabbione> seb128: at that point yes.. it's not it
[12:59] <HiddenWolf> seb128, gtk skinning goes on and off if I select a layout that's not US English
[12:59] <fabbione> seb128: it can still be corrupted and contain invalid xml
[12:59] <Knorrie> HiddenWolf: here too :)
[12:59] <seb128> Knorrie: what about reading the dialog instead opening a bunch of them ?
[12:59] <Knorrie> seb128: lol 
[12:59] <seb128> HiddenWolf: known, fixed but not pushed for 5.10
[12:59] <HiddenWolf> seb128, cool
[01:00] <HiddenWolf> Knorrie, suck it up for now
[01:00] <HiddenWolf> seb128, thanks
[01:00] <seb128> HiddenWolf: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15372
[01:00] <seb128> np
[01:00] <HiddenWolf> seb128, interesting
[01:01] <fabbione> Kamion: what version of the ubuntu-server has been published? .2 ?
[01:02] <fabbione> never mind
[01:02] <mdz> fabbione: aren't you supposed to be asleep? ;-)
[01:03] <fabbione> mdz: when you said if i finished my tests, i suddenly remembered that i could test ubuntu-server
[01:03] <HiddenWolf> seb128, I understand it only happens when you have multiple layouts in the preferences dialog?
[01:04] <seb128> HiddenWolf: yep
[01:04] <mdz> fabbione: nah, I said if you had updated BreezyTestPlan for the tests you had already done
[01:04] <fabbione> mdz: yes i did that too :)
[01:05] <sistpoty> still time to request a sync?
[01:05] <mdz> sistpoty: for universe
[01:05] <sistpoty> yep
[01:05] <sistpoty> cool
[01:05] <HiddenWolf> seb128, weird, not for me. I can set US-int, delte us-english, and it still keeps un-/rethemeing the windows.
[01:05] <mdz> might not be processed before we close the archive, though
[01:05] <mdz> but not too late to try
[01:05] <sistpoty> ok, thx mdz
[01:06] <seb128> HiddenWolf: that's a combinaison of options doing that, maybe your keyboard variant does it
[01:06] <sistpoty> elmo: could you please sync gtalk (0.99.10-10) (no ubuntu patches there)?
[01:07] <mdz> first DVD burning, finally
[01:07] <HiddenWolf> seb128, i'll not keep you.
[01:08] <mdz> Kamion: oh good
[01:08] <Kamion> ogra: Edubuntu DVDs published
[01:08] <Kamion> I won't be able to do powerpc auto-resize, I don't think
[01:08] <Kamion> but I can do the rest
[01:09] <Kamion> er, nor powerpc erase-whole-disk, but that's been done
[01:10] <fabbione> ok i am off
[01:10] <fabbione> cya in 4:50 minutes
[01:10] <fabbione> minute more, minute less
[01:10] <fabbione> :)
[01:10] <spstarr> mdz: #8879
[01:11] <Kamion> mdz: I'm running the ports builds now; all release builds are complete
[01:11] <seb128_> 'night fabbione
[01:11] <fabbione> night
[01:11] <spstarr> User has Fedora Core, no problem occuring, solution: Remove qlogicisp or disable it
[01:11] <mdz> spstarr: please follow up to bugzilla
[01:12] <dholbach> night fabbionne
[01:13] <ogra> Kamion, thanks
[01:14] <ogra> Kamion, i just did a edubuntu server install, there is a tail -f /var/log/base-config-pkgsel.log left in the process list after install
[01:14] <Kamion> ogra: yeah, known, I never did figure out how to get rid of that neatly
[01:15] <jordi> I'm off to bed. In case I miss it, good luck with the release, folks.
[01:15] <Kamion> it'll go away on reboot
[01:15] <Kamion> it's a bug of course
[01:15] <ogra> Kamion, minor :)
[01:16] <Kamion> well, it's irritating that you don't get the use of that console
[01:16] <HiddenWolf> OMG, the fridge is heating up. :)
[01:16] <HiddenWolf> Eat the icecream before it's melted.
[01:16] <Keybuk> you put ice cream in the fridge?
[01:16] <HiddenWolf> Keybuk, combo unit
[01:17] <HiddenWolf> -> fridge.ubuntu.com timing out
[01:18] <\sh> mvo: good morning :)
[01:18] <mvo> \sh: hello
[01:19] <dobwan> HiddenWolf, to many of us trying to get there at once. I put ice cream in a dish and eat it :-), time for me to be silent and watch again
[01:20] <HiddenWolf> dobwan, that's silly, on what kind of server is it? :S
[01:21] <Keybuk> HiddenWolf: isn't really -devel relevant though
[01:21] <HiddenWolf> Keybuk, rodger
[01:21] <Kamion> mdz: we seem to be doing OK with publishing DVDs at the same time as CDs, but I think I'm going to publish them to cdimage this time rather than releases
[01:21] <Kamion> mdz: elmo was complaining about the fullness of releases, with some justification
[01:21] <wasabi_> jbailey, did you get my earlier messages?
[01:22] <mdz> Kamion: yes, I agree
[01:23] <Kamion> ok, this install thinks it's in Swiss French, German keyboard, and timezone Canada/Saskatchewan
[01:23] <Kamion> this'll be one confused little system
[01:23] <jdub> righto
[01:23] <jdub> i'm here
[01:23] <jdub> ubuntu-artwork update coming in a moment
[01:23] <seb128_> jdub: good one :)
[01:24] <jdub> :-)
[01:24] <Kamion> 22:40 < mdz> Kamion: tell him to stop by on his way through here next time for
[01:24] <Kamion>              a whipping
[01:24] <jdub> *LOVE* to the FREEDOM BRINGERS!
[01:24] <jdub> how is it going?
[01:24] <jdub> we are drinking champagne-like stuff
[01:24] <jdub> in celebration
[01:24] <mdz> jdub: don't curse us with premature celebration
[01:24] <HiddenWolf> jdub, something nice in there? :)
[01:24] <dholbach> hahaha :)
[01:25] <seb128_> jdub: what about putting a real ics url for the calendar so clicking on it opens the webcal magic? :)
[01:25] <daniels> Kamion: i'll be interested to see what the final xkb layout is
[01:25] <ogra> jdub, your fridge is full
[01:25] <jdub> seb128: hrm, it doesn't?
[01:26] <jdub> seb128: it shoud have the right mime tuype
[01:26] <seb128> jdub: there is a redirection to somewhere and I get the download dialog
[01:26] <Kamion> daniels: server install, unfortunately, but I can install xserver-xorg and see what happens
[01:26] <daniels> Kamion: booo ;)
[01:26] <daniels> Kamion: i don't care too much, just morbid curiousity; per -devel, I'm now convinced that the entire logic behind xkb layout selection is fundamentally fucked
[01:27] <HiddenWolf> daniels, A beer if you fix it in time for release. On a silver platter. :D
[01:27] <daniels> HiddenWolf: ...
[01:27] <HiddenWolf> daniels, </joke>
[01:29] <sistpoty> daniels: is xprint worth fixing?
[01:29] <daniels> sistpoty: you didn't get my mail earlier?
[01:29] <sistpoty> daniels: no, unfortunately not... maybe my universities mail-server is f*cked again
[01:30] <daniels> sistpoty: short answer is: main, no, but some freaks seem to want a functioning xprint in universe, so probably
[01:30] <sistpoty> daniels: ok, thx
[01:31] <dholbach> sounds like time for a DeFreakingUniverse BOF :)
[01:31] <ogra> LOL
[01:31] <slomo> daniels: is xprint obsolete? or shall i fix it (if it's really broken)?
[01:31] <sistpoty> slomo: read backlog ;)
[01:31] <slomo> ok ;)
[01:32] <daniels> slomo: just stabbing yourself in the head directly is more effective
[01:32] <HiddenWolf> daniels, can't be _that_ bad?
[01:32] <daniels> xprint has the same effect, it just takes longer
[01:32] <daniels> HiddenWolf: you'd think that, and then you realise that selection of config file is based on what locale you start the server in
[01:32] <ogra> argh... damn, edubuntu workstation failed in archive copier grmpf...
[01:32] <mdz> amd64 dvd live OK, install in progress
[01:33] <HiddenWolf> daniels, that's stupid, but not terminal.
[01:33] <slomo> daniels: ok, i'll add it to my "don't touch" list ;)
[01:33] <daniels> HiddenWolf: only one of the many stupidities rampant through xprint
[01:33] <Kamion> ogra: failed in what way?
[01:33] <HiddenWolf> daniels, I get the piont. :)
[01:33] <ogra> Kamion, copying axorg package i think my iso is corrupt :(
[01:34] <ogra> just retrying
[01:34] <HiddenWolf> ogra, that's what verification of burned cd's is for. :P
[01:34] <Kamion> ogra: I'd guess a scratched CD or a dirty drive before a corrupt ISO
[01:35] <ogra> yup, could also be the case, but doesnt save me from copying the iso over to a machine without os...my writer is in the test machine currently...
[01:36] <HiddenWolf> daniels, xprint is hosted at mozdev.org, and typo's are rampant throughtout the site. I can only imagine the horror they make of the code.
[01:36] <daniels> HiddenWolf: to be fair, the guy who did it is ESL
[01:36] <Kamion> daniels: hmm. apparently XKBLayout ch, XKBVariant fr
[01:37] <daniels> Kamion: \o/
[01:37] <wasabi_> man tar sucks. Won't extract preserving perms based on uid number. =(
[01:38] <mdz> wasabi_: --numeric-owner doesn't work on extract?
[01:38] <daniels> Kamion: i plan to sit down at some point, go through all the d-i maps, and come up with a d-i -> xkb mapping
[01:38] <Kamion> daniels: (looks like a lack of any kind of handling for debian-installer/keymap == mac-usb-* in .config)
[01:39] <mbreit> why is there no svgalib on amd64? it is on architecture any and builds fine on amd64...
[01:39] <daniels> Kamion: err, we do ##mac-usb-
[01:39] <Kamion> daniels: so in general powerpc is going to be confused
[01:39] <Kamion> oh, so you do
[01:39] <daniels>   db_get debian-installer/keymap || debug_report_status "db_get debian-installer/keymap"
[01:39] <\sh> _mvo_: ISH?
[01:39] <daniels>   DI_KEYMAP="${RET##mac-usb-}"
[01:39] <mbreit> but the buildd does only build it for x86.
[01:39] <dholbach> \sh: wifi rather
[01:39] <daniels> it's just a general lack of handling console layouts
[01:39] <Kamion> it's mac-usb-de-latin1
[01:39] <wasabi_> mdz not for directories.
[01:39] <daniels> and instead trying to infer it from languages
[01:39] <daniels> which is insane
[01:39] <\sh> dholbach: right...
[01:39] <daniels> Kamion: right, we only deal with the deadkeys case
[01:39] <Kamion> which seems to be unhandled
[01:39] <daniels> er, with the nodeadkeys case
[01:39] <slomo> mbreit: probably in pas
[01:40] <wasabi_> acutally I see the prob.
[01:40] <wasabi_> Tar hasn't actually tarred the dirs
[01:40] <Kamion> daniels: yeah, although it's a lot better than it was
[01:40] <daniels> Kamion: markedly, yeah
[01:40] <\sh> does anybody need a d-link DI-524 with a d-link DWL-G122 USB Stick?
[01:40] <\sh> router is european version :(
[01:41] <slomo> \sh: the usb stick is this prism2 thing?
[01:41] <\sh> slomo: no...
[01:41] <ogra> Kamion, second try worked :)
[01:41] <slomo> \sh: what driver does it need? ;)
[01:41] <\sh> slomo: ndiswrapper somehow
[01:42] <slomo> \sh: oh... even worse than linux-wlan-ng ;) ok, i won't take it :P
[01:42] <\sh> 54MBit/s 
[01:42] <wasabi_> wow that sucks.
[01:42] <wasabi_> I didn't know tar did that.
[01:42] <jbailey> Let's see if this dvd burner works...
[01:42] <wasabi_> jbailey, did you get my stuff from earlier? :)
[01:44] <jbailey> wasabi_: Stuff? =)
[01:44] <wasabi_> kernelextras calls force_load for vesafb
[01:44] <wasabi_> which loads the one not in initrd
[01:44] <jbailey> Right.
[01:45] <jbailey> I saw that..  Which makes me wonder why it works for me now.. =)
[01:45] <wasabi_> Well, verify you have /lib/modules/*/initrd in your initrd, I don't.
[01:45] <wasabi_> Doesn't seem to be required.
[01:45] <ogra> meh, i can never ses the edubuntu usplash to its end... damn adaptec, 1min to probe devices is so odd...
[01:46] <jbailey> wasabi_: Force_load would take care of it otherwise.
[01:46] <wasabi_> Ahh, that's true. Yeah, it woudl be loaded.
[01:46] <wasabi_> Still usplash spits an error.
[01:46] <jbailey> module loading happens after usplashinitialisation...
[01:47] <wasabi_> usplash itself tries to load vesafb in init-top
[01:47] <jbailey> Right
[01:47] <wasabi_> Which fails.
[01:47] <wasabi_> And prints ot an error.
[01:47] <mbreit> lamont: ping
[01:50] <\sh> elmo: please sync atanks from debian unstable (ubuntu override OK), thx
[01:54] <jbailey> i386 dvd live is giving me a fata ext2 module not found.
[01:55] <Kamion> I can't remember if ext2 is built-in on i386; if not, is there an ext2-modules-*.udeb on the disk?
[01:55] <doko> hmm, are smp kernels not fetched on install, if I have network? it get's the -k8 kernel, but not -k8-smp
[01:55] <Kamion> doko: neither -k8 nor -k8-smp is fetched in a CD install, only -generic. Is this netboot?
[01:56] <Kamion> it might not detect SMP properly though; that's been a moderately long-standing issue with base-installer, recently improved upstream
[01:56] <doko> Kamion: no, DVD install
[01:56] <Kamion> ah, right
[01:56] <Kamion> as above then
[01:56] <jbailey> Kamion: NM.  When I do ls in /cdrom, I'm getting IO Errors.
[01:56] <Kamion> jbailey: ah
[01:56] <segfault> how's the test going?
[01:57] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyTestPlan
[01:58] <\sh> elmo: please sync trickle from debian unstable, thx
[01:58] <segfault> nice, all PASS
[01:59] <jdub> elmo: ping - where's the fridge?
[02:00] <doko> Kamion: no, it did install -generic, -k8-smp and -k8, the latter as the default
[02:00] <whiprush> jdub: Chief Refrigeration Engineer to #ubuntu-sounder please!
[02:00] <jdub> elmo: perhaps we need to crank up the # of apache processes?
[02:00] <Kamion> doko: please file a base-installer bug with contents of /proc/cpuinfo, I'll chase that up later
[02:01] <mdz> jdub: elmo was in the data centre until some ridiculous hour of daylight this morning; I don't think he's around
[02:01] <glick> excuse me, when you make a makefile, what does the error "missing seperator" mean?
[02:01] <jdub> hrm, i can imagine that
[02:02] <elmo> I am around
[02:02] <elmo> tho it seems humboldt has more fundamental problems than apache
[02:02] <mdz> Kamion: I correctly got -amd64-k8 in my dvd install, fwiw
[02:03] <mdz> jbailey: any further ppc64 progress?
[02:03] <jbailey> mdz: I'm burning a ppc64 live dvd right now.
[02:03] <jdub> elmo: hrm, tho i can log into it
[02:03] <mdz> jbailey: were you able to do a CD install test?
[02:04] <Kamion> mdz: at the moment it uses a really dodgy test for SMP that involves grepping dmesg, and the ring buffer has probably wrapped by that stage so it'll in practice always assume UP
[02:04] <Kamion> I think that's fixed upstream
[02:04] <jbailey> mdz: It's where I sync everything to, so I don't have enough drivespace elsewhere to copy my data to. =(  I think I can do it last by deleteing all of the CD and DVD images that I have.
[02:04] <elmo> jdub: yeah, I'm on crack - up the maxclients
[02:04] <mjg59> My Universe upload is entirely due to Robot101
[02:04] <elmo> silly php forcing prefork
[02:05] <mdz> Kamion: BenC has an idea to give us smp support out of the box without penalty for dapper maybe
[02:05] <mjg59> All blame should go to him
[02:05] <jdub> elmo: i can't do that tho :-)
[02:05] <elmo> jdub: up-ed
[02:05] <jdub> thanks :-)
[02:05] <jdub> ooh
[02:05] <jdub> gosh
[02:05] <jdub> significantly so
[02:05] <Kamion> mdz: works for me either way
[02:05] <elmo> jdub: box isn't doing anything else ;)
[02:05] <jdub> :-)
[02:05] <jdub> thanks!
[02:06] <Unfrgiven> elmo: hi. there is a package called introdeveloperdocs in the new queue. its a breezy goal. can it be put into universe please? no rush, just wanted to make sure it gets into breezy.
[02:06] <ogra> mjg59, haha, your name sticks last in the changelog :)
[02:06] <elmo> Unfrgiven: "no rush".. good one
[02:06] <mdz> jdub: the fridge's google rankings need work
[02:07] <elmo> there needs to be a MOTU freeze for the next release - or I need to not be processing the archive stuff
[02:07] <mdz> Unfrgiven: heh, "no rush, just make sure it gets in the release which is releasing VERY VERY SHORTLY"
[02:07] <mdz> elmo: anything landing in queue/new this late is not a priority
[02:07] <sistpoty> hehe
[02:08] <Unfrgiven> elmo: mdz: my apologies. ive had some personal reasons i could not get this in quicker. ive been in touch with janew the last few weeks and have spent many hours trying to do it as soon as possible. i guess all i could do is try to do what i could. im really sorry about the delay.
[02:09] <\sh> mdz: and only one clisp sync didn't build on the buildd but in any pbuilder...and I'm in need of infinity/lamont to have a look there...cause it's not right
[02:10] <_mvo_> hm, I got some a postinst error from postfix on hoary->breezy upgrade (hoary-security+hoary-updates) 
[02:10] <elmo> \sh:  and that's exactly why universe being unfrozen is such a horrible mistake
[02:10] <elmo> \sh: because the last thing we need is our buildd maintainers spending time on anything but main, 24 hours or less before release
[02:11] <\sh> elmo: yes, we know...and it will change for dapper...but thanks to every transition we had
[02:11] <Robot101> drink through it
[02:12] <Keybuk> I had a similar "discussion" with the bzr guys the other day
[02:12] <\sh> Robot101: there is no drink anymore
[02:12] <Robot101> harsh
[02:13] <ogra> \sh, you should have come over here today already then :)
[02:13] <\sh> Robot101: amarok killed at least 9MB of my braincells so it has to regenrate until friday
[02:13] <Robot101> I recommend not involving ogra, drinking and universe uploads :P
[02:13] <ogra> *g*
[02:14] <\sh> ogra: I wanted to take off 2 days..but friday two others are off, so I can only have my fun today ;)
[02:14] <LaserJock> elmo: sorry to bug you at such a busy time, but did you happen to get my sync request for dvi2ps and wterm?
[02:14] <\sh> ok...this is it for me...
[02:15] <\sh> no more uploads
[02:15] <jdub> whhooooaa
[02:15] <jdub> fridge is getting some serious hit action
[02:15] <ogra> \sh, bah, lamer
[02:15] <\sh> breezy buildds + archives are just closed for me now
[02:15] <ogra> ;)
[02:15] <Keybuk> elmo: today I discovered that Sainsbury's sell Pizza Express Cheesecake
[02:16] <elmo> !!!!!!!!!
[02:16] <\sh> ogra: I'll send now a mail to elmo with the last stuff...so if this is going in, ok, if not, also ok
[02:16] <elmo> fuck, it's 1am.  they're closed
[02:16] <Robot101> master of the roflverse
[02:16] <jbailey> "pizza express cheesecake"?
[02:17] <jbailey> I'm trying to render those words into something that is food, and failing...
[02:17] <\sh> elmo: thx that's what I wanted to hear...
[02:17] <\sh> elmo: no mail
[02:17] <Kamion> \sh: I think he means Sainsbury's, not the buildds
[02:18] <mdz> jdub: what's with the fist-sized unmatched double quotes on the fridge?
[02:18] <ogra> mdz, design element :p
[02:18] <\sh> Kamion: u see :( I'm just tired
[02:19] <mdz> jbailey: cheesecake such as can be purchased at Pizza Express
[02:20] <mdz> an important restaurant in the history of Ubuntu
[02:20] <slomo> elmo: please sync bibletime_1.5.1-1 from debian/unstable... fixes unmet deps/ftbfs
[02:20] <ajmitch> cheesecake & pizza? hm
[02:20] <elmo> LaserJock: pls mail me
[02:20] <LaserJock> elmo: I did (my name is Jordan Mantha)
[02:21] <elmo> ok, then I'll get to it
[02:21] <Keybuk> mdz: Mark still has the napkins, I believe
[02:21] <LaserJock> elmo: thanks so much
[02:22] <jbailey> mdz: Oh.  He's not sprinkling cheescake on pizza?
[02:22] <Kamion> I was about to say that we decided on the version numbering scheme in PE, but we didn't, it was in some cafe or other
[02:22] <Keybuk> that was The Crescent
[02:22] <mdz> archive-copier certainly is snappy in the server install
[02:22] <jbailey> I've heard that elmo has... unusual dietary needs. 
[02:22] <slomo> elmo: and please sync trickle 1.07-4 and bubblemon 2.0.4-3 for \sh
[02:22] <mjg59> I DENY EVERYTHING
[02:22] <elmo> slomo: I don't do proxied sync requests
[02:22] <elmo> not if both parties are MOTU
[02:23] <jdub> mdz: HATE!
[02:23] <jbailey> I am apparently a huge packrat.  I had no idea I have 70Gb of crap on this harddrive until I wanted to back the bloody thing up.
[02:23] <jbailey> *sigh*
[02:23] <ajmitch> jbailey: oh that's not much
[02:23] <ajmitch> jbailey: I easily cleaned up 40-50GB of general junk recently :)
[02:24] <bob2> the crescent being the only cafe in london to make flat whites, too
[02:24] <ajmitch> and that's before I start really cleaning
[02:24] <ajmitch> bob2: what?!
[02:24] <mjg59> jdub: Your mother dresses you funny
[02:24] <Keybuk> bob2: that was the-cafe-formally-known-as-the-crescent
[02:24] <Kamion> I dunno, I think 70GB is quite a lot if you aren't a compulsive music/video downloader or whatever
[02:24] <Keybuk> I can't remember what it's called now
[02:24] <Keybuk> the burger's aren't as good now
[02:24] <jbailey> This is almost all cvstrees and builds.
[02:25] <bob2> it claims to be a bar now
[02:25] <ajmitch> Kamion: it's easy if you build a lot of universe packages 
[02:25] <bob2> restaurant bar, anyway
[02:25] <slomo> elmo: ok... sorry
[02:25] <ajmitch> but that's a different sort of compulsion :)
[02:25] <elmo> oh, the cross bar
[02:25] <elmo> I was wondering what you guys were talking about
[02:25] <Keybuk> libnspr is known-newer in hoary-updates right?
[02:25] <bob2> that''s the one
[02:25] <Keybuk> (than breezy)
[02:26] <mdz> Kamion: the suppression of resize mode in oem is intentional, right?
[02:26] <Kamion> mdz: there's no such suppression
[02:26] <Keybuk> ah, yes, that's the one pitti was complaining about dpkg doing the right thing
[02:26] <Kamion> mdz: at a guess, you're running into partition table limits
[02:27] <mdz> Kamion: er
[02:27] <mjg59> Kamion: "Your"
[02:27] <mjg59> (lie)
[02:27] <mdz> Kamion: I already did an auto-resize install on this box earlier today
[02:27] <mdz> Kamion: and after that erased it
[02:27] <Kamion> mdz: you probably have three primary partitions already
[02:27] <mdz> so it currently has just ext3 + swap
[02:27] <Kamion> hmm
[02:27] <mdz> hmm, maybe I didn't erase it
[02:27] <mdz> I did the erase install first, then the resize one
[02:28] <mdz> so yeah, probably primary partitions
[02:28] <mdz> possible and plausible
[02:28] <Kamion> it's annoying, but really hard to do better
[02:28] <Kamion> you have to start moving partitions around in a number of cases
[02:29] <Kamion> we could improve it somewhat by not creating primary partitions so gratuitously
[02:29] <mdz> Kamion: what about making everything logical partitions except the very first one?
[02:29] <wasabi_> (what about using LVM by default)
[02:29] <Kamion> mdz: that's what we do, but with successive installs you accumulate "very first one"s
[02:29] <mdz> there's only one VERY first one
[02:29] <mdz> i.e., if it already exists, use all logicals
[02:29] <Kamion> mdz: ah, right, well that's basically what I said above, yes
[02:29] <mdz> in fact it wouldn't have a choice
[02:30] <mdz> if all the remaining space was occupied by an extended partition
[02:30] <Kamion> also reusing existing swap partitions in automatic partitioning would help a lot
[02:30] <Kamion> mdz: extended partitions are extremely fluid when using parted
[02:30] <mdz> Kamion: it'll resize an extended partition with logical partitions in it to make room for a new primary?
[02:31] <Kamion> parted generally makes them only as big as necessary to fit around the logical partitions
[02:31] <mdz> that's extreme
[02:31] <mdz> oh, on that end you mean
[02:31] <Kamion> mdz: parted views extended partitions as just red tape
[02:31] <Kamion> it mostly deals only in primary and logical partitions
[02:32] <Kamion> which makes things a lot easier to comprehend, for frontends trying to be mostly disklabel-agnostic
[02:32] <mdz> is it impossible to deal with extended partitions directly?
[02:32] <mdz> or do we just not do it currently?
[02:33] <Mithrandir> it's painful to do so, at least.
[02:33] <Kamion> why would you want to?
[02:33] <Mithrandir> partman's UI already sucks enough. :-)
[02:34] <Kamion> when partman goes to resize a logical partition, it first expands the extended partition to fill all the contiguous space it can, then does the resize, then contracts the extended partition as far as possible
[02:34] <mdz> because in general it's better to have a big extended partition with freespace in it than unpartitioned space which requires a new primary partition to use
[02:34] <Kamion> mdz: if you tell partman to create a logical partition, it will sort out the extended partition automatically
[02:34] <mdz> Kamion: but it will make it only as large as it needs to be to accomodate the logical partition
[02:35] <Kamion> if it's all empty, it doesn't matter whether it's extended or unpartitioned
[02:35] <Kamion> mdz: yes, but that's entirely irrelevant
[02:35] <mdz> I'm saying create a primary partition, then swallow the rest of the disk with an extended partition
[02:35] <Kamion> pointless
[02:35] <mdz> are you saying that partman can't figure that one out, either?
[02:35] <Kamion> if partman-auto goes to create logicals, the extended will be resized automatically to cope
[02:36] <Mithrandir> it might be actively bad in the oem case, since the OEM might want to put a primary at the end of the disk for a rescue partition.
[02:36] <Kamion> mdz: I'm saying it figures it out already and shouldn't be micromanaged
[02:36] <mdz> then why does it fail here?
[02:36] <mdz> it isn't figuring it out; it's crying in the corner
[02:36] <Kamion> that's partman-auto, not partman
[02:36] <mdz> ...
[02:36] <Kamion> you already have three primary partitions, and the partman-auto recipes currently say that / *must* be a primary partition
[02:37] <Kamion> in that situation it is not possible to create the partitions that the partman-auto recipe calls for
[02:37] <Kamion> this is a bug in the partman-auto recipe, really; it has nothing to do with handling of extended partitions
[02:37] <mdz> why? to support people using ineffectual bootloaders which can't read extended partitions?
[02:37] <Kamion> aside from situations where you can't put a logical partition somewhere because the extended partition is on the other side of a primary
[02:38] <Kamion> mdz: like I say, it's a bug
[02:38] <Kamion> but the solution is not to micromanage extended partitions
[02:38] <Kamion> doing that will only make partman's job harder
[02:38] <Riddell> is anyone able to test the kubuntu amd64 dvd?
[02:38] <Kamion> and will ultimately have no useful effect, because you'd have to fix the recipes *anyway*
[02:39] <mdz> another quarter of an hour wasted because partman insists on being a billion different pieces
[02:39] <doko> Riddell: I can start to sync it, but will head to bed soon ...
[02:39] <mdz> if I'd said partman-auto instead of partman a few times earlier, we would have finished this conversation very quickly
[02:39] <Riddell> doko: that would be great, I still have powerpc to download so no major rush
[02:39] <Kamion> erm, no, you're saying this strange stuff about extended partitions that just makes no sense either way
[02:40] <mdz> and the i386 dvd has almost arrived
[02:40] <calc> the best part about d-i is how the partition program doesn't use real gigabytes, it uses that lovely ieee bullshit, however lvm configurer uses real gigabytes
[02:40] <mdz> Kamion: it makes sense to me, or I wouldn't be speaking it
[02:41] <Kamion> mdz: I've found that when dealing with PC partition tables it is best to forget entirely about extended partitions unless you're actively dealing with the low-level table constraints stuff
[02:42] <mdz> Kamion: a good strategy for not running out of primary partitions is to stop using primary partitions wherever possible and use logical partitions instead
[02:42] <Kamion> just dealing in primaries/logicals is so much more straightforward, and all you need to remember is that the logicals must be contiguous
[02:42] <Kamion> mdz: I certainly don't disagree
[02:42] <mdz> Kamion: now I have expressed my idea without using the term 'extended partition'
[02:42] <Kamion> right :-)
[02:43] <ogra> *g*
[02:43] <hno73> mdz: I've posted the 5.10 release notes here: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/releasenotes510 It's just a copy of the wiki version with some HTML clean-up. It's not yet 'published' so you have to be logged in to see it. Let me know when I should publish it (or alternatively just link to the wiki version).
[02:43] <Kamion> mdz: I'm afraid I've been utterly bogged down in the details of late, so perhaps I'm taking things too literally
[02:43] <mdz> hno73: I'm wary of having so many copies of the release notes; they're already in the wiki, the release announcement, the ubuntu-docs package and now this one
[02:44] <mdz> 1.5 hours to get breezy-dvd-i386, gar
[02:44] <hno73> mdz: right. shall I just do a link to the wiki one from the website then?
[02:45] <dholbach> good night guys, i'm off to bed
[02:45] <ogra> mdz, 
[02:45] <ogra> breezy-dvd-i386.iso
[02:45] <hno73> mdz: the advantage of the website one is that it cannot be changed by random people
[02:45] <ogra>    675333475  27%   89.00kB/s    5:41:28
[02:45] <ogra> thats nothing
[02:45] <dieman> heh
[02:45] <_mvo_> night dholbach 
[02:45] <dholbach> nicht michael
[02:45] <Kamion> doch
[02:45] <daniels> Keybuk: pizza express cheesecake is overrated
[02:45] <ogra> dholbach,  night holbi
[02:46] <dholbach> haha
[02:46] <Keybuk> daniels: I agree, but elmo doesn't
[02:46] <mdz> hno73: so far all of the changes from random people have been of reasonable quality, but yes, that's a concern
[02:46] <dholbach> grawi :)
[02:46] <ogra> ;)
[02:46] <_mvo_> ogri
[02:46] <elmo> the pe cheesecake will have the last on you all
[02:46] <ogra> dholbach,  thats how they called me at school ;)
[02:46] <ajmitch> heh
[02:46] <jbailey> ppc64 live dvd is good, same cdrom eject problem
[02:46] <mdz> hno73: how long ago did you copy it?
[02:46] <dholbach> :)
[02:46] <jbailey> (waited 90 seconds for it)
[02:47] <mdz> hno73: it seems to be missing the oem install instructions that Kamion added to the wiki
[02:47] <bob2> after a hard days work, you need a nice cold be^wcheesecake
[02:47] <hno73> mdz: ~45 minutes ago
[02:47] <Kamion> mdz: (FWIW, I didn't add most of them, they were there before I got there - I did correct them more recently though)
[02:48] <mdz> hno73: oh, I see, it's just further down in your version
[02:48] <mdz> hno73: looks fine to me
[02:49] <hno73> mdz: I think the structure is the same
[02:49] <mdz> hno73: maybe I'm crack-addled then; I thought it was directly under Desktop and Server before
[02:50] <hno73> Default and Server
[02:50] <Kamion> powerpc/oem ok, apart from a frankly bizarre default language choice offered by oem-config
[02:50] <hno73> just above known issues
[02:50] <mdz> Kamion: ah, it was jsgotangco
[02:50] <mdz> Kamion: who added the oem stuff yesterday
[02:51] <Kamion> sounds right
[02:51] <doko> correct, that server install doesn't show the splash screen?
[02:51] <Kamion>  2. Note login sound, if equipped with appropriate hardware
[02:51] <hno73> mdz: I can check the wiki version tomorrow for important changes and port them over
[02:51] <Kamion> there's a login sound?
[02:52] <Kamion> doko: yes
[02:52] <mdz> Kamion: you don't hear the login sound?
[02:52] <infinity> Kamion : Yes, there's a login sound.
[02:52] <Kamion> perhaps it's very quiet compared to app launches or something
[02:52] <Kamion> mdz: don't seem to
[02:52] <mdz> Kamion: it's very quiet on the headphone jack of this G4 at default volume
[02:52] <mdz> but it's quite impossible to miss on the other machines
[02:53] <Kamion> that could be it; sound played through this laptop speaker is not ideal
[02:53] <infinity> Is universe closed yet, or can I upload fixes for this last round of build failures?
[02:53] <Kamion> mdz: ah, I can hear it if I put my ear right against the speaker
[02:53] <\sh> infinity: clisp?
[02:54] <mdz> Kamion: powerpc systems seem to have wildly differing ideas about what's loud
[02:54] <infinity> \sh : haskell-http, 2vcard, clamassassin, clisp...
[02:54] <Nafallo> "And up to now, the buildds are not closed." according to \sh's blog :-)
[02:55] <mdz> \sh will continue to upload until someone throws the switch
[02:55] <\sh> no
[02:56] <mdz> \sh: no? ;-)
[02:56] <ajmitch> if I have time I've still got a few non-urgent uploads to put together :)
[02:56] <\sh> mdz: 2005-10-13 00:30 UTC <--- date + time of stopping my work...
[02:56] <Kamion> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Breezy Badger_ - Release i386 (20050407)] / breezy main restricted
[02:57] <Kamion> uh-huh
[02:57] <Nafallo> lol
[02:57] <ogra> Kamion, dont do that, it causes bad dreams
[02:57] <Kamion> mdz: it's just strange that one sound is very quiet while the others are quite load
[02:57] <Kamion> loud
[02:58] <infinity> Kamion : They're not that drastically different on my laptop...
[02:58] <jammcq> hey guys, everybody sleeping after the awesome release?
[02:58] <ogra> jammcq, after ??
[02:58] <infinity> Kamion : OTOH, I'm probably going to re-floor all the sounds in dapper anyway, since our sounds ARE too loud.
[02:58] <ajmitch> jammcq: we're still going..
[02:59] <Nafallo> infinity: they are?
[02:59] <jammcq> oh, I was watching the fridge.ubuntu.com, and it was doing a countdown earlier
[02:59] <infinity> Nafallo : Quite, yes.
[03:00] <mdz> Kamion: oh, you hear the other sounds? that is odd
[03:00] <Nafallo> jammcq: don't trust the fridge dude ;-P
[03:00] <Kamion> jammcq: fridge has an interesting idea of when the release is - interesting but wrong (time-wise - it's right date-wise)
[03:00] <mdz> they're not very different in volume here at all, either
[03:00] <Kamion> jdub: can you fix the way fridge thinks the release is 00:00?
[03:00] <Nafallo> infinity: it was perfect here with preview :-)
[03:00] <infinity> Nafallo : Watch a DVD or something.  Stop the DVD.  Launch an app.  Watch your speakers visibily pop.
[03:00] <jdub> Kamion: when do you want it set?
[03:00] <jammcq> heh, I figured if I read it on the internet, it must be true :)
[03:00] <Kamion> sometime in the future would be a good start
[03:00] <jdub> :-)
[03:00] <Nafallo> infinity: oh. will try that next time :-)
[03:01] <Kamion> I don't particularly want to set precise expectations; does it have to be given a time?
[03:01] <jdub> it's an event
[03:01] <crimsun> "we'll release by october 13, 2006" should cover it :-)
[03:01] <jdub> Kamion: ok, i've given you 12 hours ;)
[03:01] <Nafallo> jdub: events can't last from say... 00:00 to 23:59? :-)
[03:02] <Kamion> jdub: ta
[03:02] <Kamion> will do for the moment
[03:02] <jdub> well, yes, but then it will be NOW for the whole day
[03:02] <daniels> infinity: to be fair, DVDs are incredibly quiet compared to anything else
[03:02] <mdz> jdub: when will NOW be THEN?  SOON!
[03:02] <jdub> mdz: hahahahaha
[03:02] <Nafallo> :-)
[03:02] <\sh> so guys...laying in bed and waiting
[03:03] <Nafallo> \sh: well, I'm not going to join you this night ;-)
[03:04] <\sh> Nafallo: hahahha
[03:05] <infinity> daniels : Yes, DVDs are quiet for a good reason, though.
[03:06] <infinity> daniels : Mainly that if you use the full 16/44.1 range provided to you by modern sound systems, you don't NEED everything to be full envelope for it to sound good (so you can reserve most of that envelope for things that actually ARE loud)
[03:06] <daniels> infinity: right
[03:07] <daniels> infinity: but I'm just saying, possib;ly not the best benchmark to compare everything against
[03:07] <elmo> did someone mention glxgears?
[03:07] <daniels> (i'm familiar with the problem of modern CDs, being that they're generally amplified to shit, to the point where you WHAT
[03:07] <daniels> elmo: ... what about glxgears
[03:07] <infinity> daniels : <shrug>... System sounds should be subtle.  If a system sound while playing a DVD makes your head explode, I think there's an issue. :)
[03:07] <daniels> elmo: oh, I see.  nm.
[03:08] <daniels> elmo: i think we need a new benchmark though.  'my video card is as good as 7.3 pizza express cheesecakes.'
[03:08] <daniels> 'dude, how fast is concordia?' 'at least 5.9 pecs'
[03:09] <\sh> hmmmm
[03:09] <\sh> this speaker of this portege r200 sounds like those old small little mobile radios
[03:12] <mdz> amd64 is the first to go gold, CD and DVD
[03:12] <doko> hmm, server install on i386 fails (on a logical partition, /dev/hda7): exiting on error base-install/cannot_install 
[03:12] <Kamion> there should be useful stuff in /var/log/{messages,syslog}
[03:14] <mdz> Kamion: how are your powerpc tests going?
[03:14] <Kamion> mdz: normal install in archive-copier
[03:14] <Kamion> all looks fine so far
[03:15] <Kamion> unfortunately my bizarre network arrangements here mean that I have to wait for the laptop to come back before I can start rsyncing the DVD
[03:15] <Kamion> so it may be a while; I expect to be up until release now, I think
[03:15] <desrt> man.  breezy = busted
[03:15] <mdz> I'm in the same boat; the laptop owns the DVD burner here
[03:16] <Kamion> mdz: in this case it's because the machine with the disk space is only connected to the outside world via the laptop
[03:16] <desrt> there's a lot of small issues that just never got fixed :/
[03:16] <mdz> desrt: this is not a good place to vent right now; release time is stressful enough
[03:16] <Kamion> there are always a lot of small issues that never got fixed
[03:16] <desrt> not venting.  a lot of the problems don't affect me or will soon not affect me
[03:16] <desrt> but point taken.
[03:17] <Kamion> welcome to time-based releases ...
[03:17] <ogra> *SIGH*
[03:17] <ogra> my CD is definately corropted argh
[03:17] <\sh> at least we like the SM way...pleasure and pain 
[03:17] <Kamion> mdz: are you going to test the i386 DVD next? wondering which to grab
[03:17] <doko> Kamion: no, not really. some DEBUG messages, then the error message I typed in. The installer adds "No installable CD-ROM was found and no valid mirror was configured". The same DVD from which I completed the "erase disk install"
[03:17] <desrt> one big problem for example is that i can't find my wireless network card and therefore wireless networking isn't working :)
[03:18] <bob2> desrt: really really not a place to vent
[03:18] <mdz> Kamion: I have i386 already downloaded; once powerpc finishes I'll test them in parallel
[03:18] <mdz> another 60-90 minutes
[03:18] <Kamion> doko: if you completed the install from that, I don't see how a server install would break
[03:18] <Nafallo> \sh: yea, those are the same :-)
[03:18] <speel> well i think you guys are doing a great job :)
[03:18] <doko> Kamion: restarting ...
[03:19] <mdz> thanks, folks
[03:19] <speel> np
[03:19] <Kamion> doko: that error message is displayed when there's an error reading /cdrom/.disk/base_components
[03:20] <\sh> ogra: when finance department transfered the tax back money until friday...let's add 3x24 bottles ,)
[03:20] <Kamion> mdz: I'll be a good two or three hours behind that. oh well
[03:20] <mdz> Kamion: you planning to sleep at some point?
[03:21] <doko> _mvo_ ping
[03:21] <ogra> \sh, yeah
[03:21] <mdz> he was not kidding
[03:21] <ogra> heh
[03:21] <doko> well, that was quick :)
[03:22] <\sh> ogra: and one/two bottles of suses fav taste of drinks ;) 
[03:22] <Kamion> mdz: not properly until after release, I think, unless it really gets drawn out
[03:22] <ogra> \sh, some good whisky will do... 
[03:23] <ajmitch> \sh: put some in your suitcase for UBZ, please :)
[03:23] <\sh> ogra: that's what i meant
[03:23] <ogra> ajmitch, duty free ;)
[03:23] <\sh> ajmitch: for this ping riddell ;)
[03:23] <Riddell> hmm?
[03:23] <doko> Kamion: works the second time ...
[03:23] <Riddell> ahh
[03:23] <ogra> heh
[03:23] <\sh> Riddell: whisky is your area where the good stuff comes from
[03:24] <Riddell> true
[03:24] <Kamion> doko: ok
[03:24] <\sh> Riddell: and some remarks: all the people running kubuntu on their laptops in our company..they fell in love with the new kdm/splash theme
[03:25] <Riddell> \sh: oh cool
[03:25] <\sh> Riddell: and good thing..amarok 1.3.3 crashed for me 4 times today...different causes, same result
[03:26] <\sh> Riddell: 2 causes I can reproduce 
[03:30] <Robot101> ogra: gnome-power-manager was so broken. I got mjg59 to fix it. there was no alcohol involved. honest.
[03:30] <ogra> Robot101, i dont belive you...
[03:30] <ogra> Robot101, but nice that he fixed it even if he was drunken :)
[03:31] <Robot101> -NICE_NAME +argv[0] 
[03:31] <ogra> i guess so
[03:34] <Riddell> \sh: oh...good
[03:35] <\sh> Mithrandir: I wasn't complaining about a missing hwinfo...I was complaining about the speed of opensuse...
[03:36] <calc> is the ubuntu/kubuntu dvd install disk going to be merged eventually, aiui both disks have all the files but just not able to install the other version?
[03:36] <Mithrandir> \sh: ah, that wasn't clear. :-P
[03:36] <\sh> Mithrandir: the speed was <=0
[03:37] <daniels> sweet jesus, you only *just* stopped working on universe for breezy?
[03:37] <\sh> Mithrandir: but anyways...the new source needs a kernel patch from suse year 2003 i think
[03:37] <Keybuk> he's stopped?
[03:37] <daniels> calc: how the christ do you expect to fit both kde and gnome on a single cd?
[03:37] <daniels> Keybuk: p.u.c
[03:37] <Riddell> daniels: dvd
[03:38] <calc> daniels: yea dvd, aiui the dvd has all of main on it already
[03:38] <dieman> not everyone has a dvd burner yet
[03:38] <dieman> ;)
[03:38] <elmo> daniels: who's stopped? :/
[03:39] <\sh> daniels: I? well..i don't want to be the fool who upload the last piece of software which blow up the buildds
[03:39] <calc> the dvds are only using 2.5 out of 4.5 GB as well
[03:39] <doko> Kamion: Pressing F1 on boot ... "This is an installation ... built on 20050317ubuntu19"
[03:39] <desrt> how far away is the absolute-last-minute for changes?
[03:39] <Keybuk> desrt: about a week ago!
[03:39] <desrt> oh crikey
[03:40] <desrt> well... libgphoto is segfaulting on ppc when you try to load pictures off your camera using the gthumb GUI or the commandline tool
[03:40] <Keybuk> ouch
[03:40] <bob2> reporting that before the dvds were being built might have been more optimal
[03:40] <Keybuk> does it with the default thing g-v-m fires up?
[03:40] <desrt> bob2; i discovered it this weekend while disconnected from the net
[03:41] <desrt> Keybuk; yes.
[03:41] <Keybuk> anyone else got a ppc machine to check?
[03:41] <desrt> bob2; and when i got home i had a gigantic heap.  i've only just opened my laptop up now
[03:41] <ogra> \sh, the last package is the cherry on the cake, you really want to miss that ? 
[03:41] <daniels> elmo: \sh
[03:41] <Kamion> calc: that's not accurate actually, the Ubuntu DVD contains all of Ubuntu supported whereas the Kubuntu DVD contains all of Kubuntu supported; neither of those constitutes all of main
[03:41] <desrt> Keybuk; before getting too crazy, i have about 300 updates to install.  it might fix itself
[03:41] <ajmitch> desrt: last upload of libghoto was > 2 weeks ago? noone saw the bug since that upload?
[03:41] <calc> Kamion: oh
[03:42] <\sh> ogra: be my guest to upload the last one, boss :)
[03:42] <desrt> ajmitch; shrug.  i usually use my PC to load photos from my cam... only using laptop since i was at the cottage for the longweekend
[03:42] <Kamion> doko: the text is suboptimal, but it's actually reporting the version number of debian-installer
[03:42] <ogra> \sh, i already did that for main ;)
[03:42] <ogra> ah, noo.. not true...
[03:42] <\sh> ogra: so lets w8 for barry
[03:42] <ogra> mjg59, did the last one
[03:42] <ajmitch> \sh: his box is still dead
[03:42] <Kamion> I'm not sure where my camera is unfortunately
[03:42] <\sh> oh...
[03:43] <ajmitch> \sh: I could probably still upload something if you want :)
[03:43] <calc> Kamion: does the union of ubuntu and kubuntu supported cover all of main?
[03:43] <\sh> ajmitch: so u r the one 
[03:43] <Keybuk> calc: a subset of it
[03:43] <Kamion> calc: there's Edubuntu too ...
[03:43] <\sh> ajmitch: if *I* want?
[03:43] <Keybuk> not to mention the server stuff
[03:43] <ajmitch> \sh: sure
[03:43] <Keybuk> which I so want to call 1ubuntu
[03:43] <robertj> Edubuntu makes me sad :(
[03:43] <calc> Kamion: maybe a better question is if all of main is supported by all least one project ;)
[03:43] <Kamion> Keybuk: currently that's drawn from within Ubuntu supported
[03:43] <Kamion> Keybuk: you're on crack, dude
[03:43] <ogra> robertj, ??
[03:43] <ajmitch> robertj: why?
[03:43] <Kamion> calc: nope
[03:43] <Keybuk> Kamion: supported == main
[03:44] <Kamion> Keybuk: bzzt, wrong
[03:44] <calc> so how do users know if main is supported?
[03:44] <Keybuk> no?
[03:44] <robertj> ajmitch: brand fragmentation and such
[03:44] <\sh> ajmitch: it must be your wish...i'm relaxing and reading and smiling about all the things we managed
[03:44] <Kamion> was true once but not since Kubuntu arrived
[03:44] <calc> you could accidentally install stuff that doesn't get security updates?
[03:44] <Kamion> main is the union of the supported outputs of all projects
[03:44] <dieman> Kamion: so now how do we figure it out as to what gets security updates and what doesn't
[03:44] <desrt> Kamion; so kubuntu supports gnome?
[03:44] <ogra> robertj, brand fragmentation ??
[03:44] <dieman> this is all too confusing.
[03:44] <Kamion> calc: don't get too hung up on the "Ubuntu supported" term here, it's semi-historical
[03:45] <robertj> ajmitch: Do we really need a Churbuntu, Govuntu, Mediabuntu, etc?
[03:45] <daniels> and then there's universe, which is totally unsupported, which no-one ever touches.  no updates here, move along please.
[03:45] <desrt> er.  nm.
[03:45] <Kamion> everything in main gets security updates and is supported in most senses you care about
[03:45] <calc> Kamion: ah ok :)
[03:45] <dieman> Kamion: ok.
[03:46] <ogra> robertj, its a official project whats wrong with using the brand name for it ? 
[03:46] <Kamion> Keybuk: katie/cron.sync would make your head hurt, I suspect
[03:46] <robertj> ogra: nothing wrong, I just think it's silly that it's a subproject
[03:46] <elmo> cron.sync makes MY head hurt
[03:46] <dieman> heh
[03:46] <infinity> \sh : It might be a cold day in hell before clisp builds on all (or even most) arches.  It doesn't have a history of building well anywhere.
[03:46] <ogra> robertj, it has very different targets
[03:47] <robertj> ogra: I run Ubuntu without problem at my institution
[03:47] <elmo> infinity: if you could free up some space on king, at some point, I'd appreciate it
[03:47] <ogra> robertj, thats fine
[03:47] <Keybuk> Kamion: oh, why?
[03:47] <\sh> infinity: hmm...strange thing that it builds fine on amd64 and in my i386 pbuilder...well...
[03:47] <dieman> so is it likely to see cd images in 12 hours, or should I not stay up late to initiate a sync on my mirror? :)
[03:47] <Kamion> Keybuk: mad munging of germinate outputs
[03:47] <Keybuk> heh
[03:47] <Keybuk> germinate was written for simpler times
[03:47] <Keybuk> and even then it was a head-ache
[03:47] <Kamion> dieman: I'm actually sorting out pre-publishing now ...
[03:47] <robertj> ogra: what needs do they have that are education-specific?
[03:47] <dieman> Kamion: ok
[03:48] <ogra> robertj, we dont target "institutions" we target schools
[03:48] <daniels> Keybuk: you should rewrite germinate
[03:48] <dieman> Kamion: i'll check in later then
[03:48] <Kamion> the symlinks in releases.u.c/breezy/ won't change for some time, but we can get you most of the data before that
[03:48] <infinity> \sh : It seems to depend on phase of the moon and other such factors.  I can retry it a few times for kicks, it's not like the buildds aren't idle anyway.
[03:48] <daniels> Keybuk: that is, when you get bored of rewriting hct/dpkg/launchpad/hotplug/udev/other things that seem to work
[03:48] <daniels> s/seem/&ed/
[03:48] <dieman> Kamion: ok
[03:48] <\sh> infinity: leave it then...u have higher prios to deal with, but thanks for looking :)
[03:48] <dieman> Kamion: i've got a machine i can use for some torrents too
[03:49] <dieman> see if i can piss off the networking security people
[03:49] <Kamion> ogra: sorry, I never did get round to publishing that Edubuntu RC
[03:49] <ogra> robertj, we had a summit where we invited teachers and educational IT staff and now we build what they asked for... 
[03:49] <dieman> they always love 300mbps+ bittorrents
[03:49] <Kamion> ogra: there seems little point now :)
[03:49] <mdz> jdub: doh, we're too late for LWN
[03:49] <dieman> but they know its me, so its ok
[03:49] <infinity> \sh : All the other universe build failures from overnight are dealt with, though.
[03:49] <ogra> Kamion, and i didnt want to poke you after *that* day and there already was no point for it yesterday anymore ;)
[03:49] <robertj> ogra: I mean, if you want thin clients that are easily managable ,what does it matter if you are running an elementary school or a small business?
[03:50] <Kamion> ogra: right ...
[03:50] <Kamion> ah well
[03:51] <ogra> robertj, our desktop is trageting a totally different audience than the ubuntu desktop... an additional target is to make the install stupidly easy so even my mother cold install a ltsp server
[03:51] <\sh> infinity: serious...leave it...i'll deal with it from tuesday on (if the timeframe of sabdfl is correct)...
[03:51] <infinity> Kamion : Which amd64 livefs build are you using?... 20050512.3 (current)?
[03:51] <mdz> NOOOO
[03:51] <mdz> rsync: write failed on "/home/mdz/cd/ubuntu/breezy-dvd-powerpc.iso": No space left on device (28)
[03:51] <ogra> argh
[03:52] <Kamion> infinity: whatever's current
[03:52] <desrt> excellent.  more time.
[03:52] <desrt> :)
[03:52] <mdz> desrt: why does that make you happy?
[03:52] <robertj> ogra: I don't see why a terminal server should be difficult to set up for anyone though
[03:52] <infinity> Kamion : Kay.  I'm going to clean a few older ones.  We've had 12 in the last 48 hours.
[03:52] <Keybuk> \sh: what happens on tuesday?
[03:52] <desrt> mdz; i'm pretending that i have some non-zero chance of getting changes into the ppc dvd
[03:52] <ajmitch> Keybuk: we get to start this mess all over again
[03:52] <mdz> desrt: /topic
[03:52] <ogra> robertj, and i dont see why you should even have to bother with setting it up...
[03:52] <ajmitch> aka dapper
[03:52] <Kamion> infinity: that's fine
[03:53] <desrt> mdz; this is a reasonably large 'that'
[03:53] <doko> jdub: "Your message to Universe-bugs awaits moderator approval". Please fix it
[03:53] <ogra> robertj, in fact all work done for edubuntu is done *in* ubuntu, so both win
[03:53] <\sh> Keybuk: sabdfl was announcing the next round on tuesday..
[03:53] <infinity> Kamion : Same for other arches?... current in use, others aren't wanted for rollback/historical reasons?
[03:53] <desrt> mdz; even so, though, i -am- just pretending :)
[03:53] <Kamion> infinity: save two before current for pure paranoia
[03:53] <Keybuk> ah, the heady optimism that launchpad will be ready by Tuesday :p
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[03:53] <ogra> robertj, but its a totally different product so it deserves a different but familiar branding
[03:54] <doko> just commenting on a malone report
[03:54] <robertj> yeah, but being a totally different product is what I don't like I guess
[03:54] <ajmitch> Keybuk: of course, we have faith in the launchpad team :)
[03:55] <ogra> robertj, but all pieces, every byte is ubuntu content... so if i develop a LDAP usermanager GUI for my next edubuntu release, ubuntu will have it too...
[03:56] <\sh> Keybuk: well...I don't mind at all..i need some time to relax...
[03:56] <robertj> ogra: yeah, I know, but I still think its a mistake, but I think were both clear on the pros and cons
[03:57] <robertj> ogra: btw, have you looked at Erudite Directory Services?
[03:57] <Keybuk> nah, it's all good; elmo is personally making sure it's all ready in time
[03:57] <\sh> it's really scaring me, when I look in the mirror every morning and think...."shit, who is this guy who is looking at you"
[03:57] <TiMiDo> hey everyone
[03:57] <TiMiDo> i have a question how can i help around ubuntu?
[03:58] <elmo> keybuk: choke on my... code of conduct
[03:58] <elmo> :-P
[03:58] <jeff_> could the maintainer of sabayon update it to the most current release before breezy? It is a great package and in univers
[03:58] <ogra> \sh, as long as you dont say "hi santa" everything is still fine :)
[03:58] <jeff_> But it doesn't work right now
[03:58] <TiMiDo> /join #ubuntu-love
[03:58] <jeff_> And the new package released by markmc does
[03:59] <\sh> ogra: DUDE...please...before this happens i'm nominated as the new pope
[03:59] <ogra> giggle
[03:59] <dieman> heh
[03:59] <infinity> elmo : Disk space all over the world again.
[03:59] <crimsun> TiMiDo: please read http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate/
[03:59] <dieman> whats with the pony graphic on the fridge. 
[03:59] <\sh> jeff_: please ask in -motu
[04:00] <daniels> jeff_: see the topic
[04:00] <doko> Riddell: the kubuntu live dvd didn't let me select a network interface (having two interfaces)
[04:00] <jeff_> daniels: So there is no way it will get fixed?
[04:00] <doko> Riddell: where to report kubuntu results?
[04:01] <wasabi_> So I got unionfs working pretty much perfectly.
[04:01] <wasabi_> In case anybody was wondering.
[04:01] <Keybuk> dieman: http://www.netsplit.com/tmp/no.jpg
[04:01] <dieman> Keybuk: yeah, i clicked on it too ;)
[04:01] <dieman> Keybuk: but uh, wtf?! :)
[04:01] <\sh> jeff_: ask in -motu i think we have the time ... if anybody is in the mood to risk something
[04:01] <dieman> its so random, its like someone on a caffene trip put it there.
[04:01] <mdz> doko: that's by design
[04:01] <Keybuk> dieman: heh, he's changed it to give that image now? :P
[04:01] <Keybuk> sweet
[04:01] <mdz> doko: it doesn't ask
[04:02] <dieman> Keybuk: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/files/no-pony-for-you.jpg
[04:02] <Keybuk> dieman: yeah
[04:02] <doko> mdz: ok
[04:03] <daniels> the next person who says 'upgrading to brezy was a breeze' will get stabbed to death with a knife engraved with the code of conduct
[04:03] <jeff_> \sh: thankyou
[04:04] <Keybuk> daniels: because they'd be lying?
[04:04] <daniels> also, according to the forums, the compost extension will make our desktop look rad, so we should all use composting
[04:04] <\sh> daniels: ? yesterdays morning it was smooth but that was yesterday...gna 
[04:04] <Keybuk> X -iagreethatthisisnotausefulenvironment
[04:04] <\sh> hey bddebian happy badger day
[04:05] <bddebian> Heya \sh. Thanks, but not for me yet ;-)
[04:05] <daniels> Keybuk: dude, glxgears -printfps.  so go choke on elmo's code of conduct.
[04:05] <doko> Kamion: autoresize creates a new swap, even if one already exists
[04:06] <doko> Riddell: the OOo2 icons in kubuntu look so ugly ...
[04:06] <\sh> bddebian: oh yes...u have how many hours left?
[04:07] <Keybuk> Kamion: for next release, could we put a little "5.04" or something on the grub splash
[04:07] <bddebian> \sh: Depends.  Are we counting at midnight? :-)
[04:07] <Keybuk> because I'm getting very confused which CD is which here :p
[04:08] <Riddell> doko: are you using the amd64 dvd?
[04:08] <doko> Riddell: yes
[04:08] <\sh> bddebian: yes 
[04:08] <Riddell> doko: that's the one without openoffice.org2-kde then :)
[04:09] <doko> Riddell: copying the ubuntu dvd before syncing did help ...
[04:09] <Riddell> doko: how come amd64 doesn't have openoffice.org2-kde?
[04:10] <doko> Riddell: not sure, Mithrandir did want to add it, didn't he?
[04:10] <bddebian> \sh: Oh, then I only have 2 hours.  Should I upload something catastrophic? ;-P
[04:10] <daniels> Keybuk: '6.04'
[04:11] <Keybuk> daniels: uh, yes, OBVIOUSLY that's what I meant :p
[04:11] <\sh> bddebian: relax friend :) 
[04:11] <Keybuk> spending too much time at Earl's Court
[04:11] <ajmitch> bddebian: please do :P
[04:11] <Mithrandir> Riddell: you never responded to my questions about it and how to get it to work properly.
[04:11] <daniels> good breakfasts
[04:11] <dieman> do we have a chance in hell in seeing a native openoffice.org for amd64 someday?
[04:11] <Keybuk> I was actually just thinking of the TARDIS parked outside
[04:11] <Keybuk> but yes
[04:11] <bob2> good muffins
[04:11] <doko> daniels: do you and gravity have plans to sync the -dev names of the xorg mesa packages?
[04:12] <daniels> doko: no, we plan to keep them apart for eternity, and change them randomly at each debian and ubuntu release
[04:12] <dieman> daniels: heh.
[04:12] <dieman> daniels: misfire
[04:12] <dieman> doko: heh
[04:12] <doko> daniels: yeah
[04:12] <Amaranth> daniels: sounds like fun
[04:13] <\sh> Keybuk: tardis? u don't mean dr. whos tardis?
[04:13] <Mithrandir> dieman: we have one, but it's extremely unstable.
[04:13] <bddebian> daniels: ;-P
[04:13] <Keybuk> \sh: there's a real police box outside Earl's Court station in London
[04:13] <bob2> \sh: right on the footpath
[04:13] <dieman> Mithrandir: pout. oh well.
[04:13] <Keybuk> which obviously looks a lot like Dr Who's tardis, yes
[04:13] <wasabi_> Hmm. usplash simply won't work on this system I guess.
[04:14] <wasabi_> how sad
[04:14] <daniels> and also SOOT bins
[04:14] <\sh> Keybuk: next time when I visit london u have to show me the places ... and actually a record store where i get a first release in white milky vinyl of f.g.t.h. welcome to the pleasuredome...the last time when i was in london, no record store wanted to sell me one :(
[04:15] <Keybuk> vinyl?  what's that
[04:16] <daniels> Keybuk: blasphemy
[04:16] <\sh> u know these black sometimes colored discs u put on something with an arm and a diamond needle?
[04:16] <wasabi_> wonder if I can at least turn off the text somehow
[04:16] <wasabi_> like, switch to another VT or something
[04:17] <\sh> hehe
[04:17] <mdz> Keybuk: vinyl is what pleather is made from
[04:17] <doko> Riddell: kubuntu live dvd looks ok
[04:17] <Riddell> doko: cool, going to do an install?
[04:18] <doko> hardly awake, will do ...
[04:19] <seb128> k, time to sleep, 'night
[04:19] <Kamion> doko: swap> #7557, #12499, etc.
[04:19] <mdz> seb128: good night
[04:19] <daniels> night sebarino
[04:19] <bddebian> Gnight sebest 
[04:19] <Kamion> Keybuk: sure, if given an image
[04:19] <mjg59> ENTIRELY UNDER CONTROL
[04:19] <bddebian> Err seb128
[04:19] <mdz> mjg59: you? never!
[04:20] <desrt> uhm.  this gphoto crasher will happen on all architectures, i think
[04:20] <desrt> is it really really too late?
[04:20] <mjg59> mdz: Situation is entirely nominal
[04:20] <mdz> desrt: YES IT IS
[04:20] <daniels> mjg59: autopilot DISABLED
[04:20] <desrt> suck
[04:20] <mdz> mjg59: you have been drinking whiskey
[04:20] <Kamion> desrt: we can fix things like that in breezy-updates, if necessary
[04:21] <Amaranth> desrt: breezy-updates or breezy-backports :D
[04:21] <\sh> mjg59: btw...congrats for nomination to the TB
[04:21] <mdz> desrt: we are only stopping for, er, showstoppers
[04:21] <mdz> and that isn't
[04:21] <desrt> mdz; crashing on import of photos is pretty big
[04:21] <bob2> desrt: but not as big, say, as elmo launching icbms at your house
[04:22] <mdz> desrt: even if it crashed EVERY time ANYONE imported photos (which it doesn't) that still wouldn't be a showstopper for the release
[04:22] <desrt> bob2; well, that would only affect me :)
[04:22] <Kamion> desrt: put it this way, it has to be serious enough for us to throw away eight hours of testing and embark upon another four/five-hour build cycle and a further dozen or so hours of testing
[04:22] <desrt> mdz; ok.
[04:22] <doko> desrt: it's a content filter
[04:22] <Kamion> I'm making up the numbers somewhat but that's close enough
[04:22] <desrt> -updates it is, then :)
[04:23] <Keybuk> Kamion: how long is d-i going to test the network repository for?
[04:23] <Kamion> mdz: all release CD images are syncing to the .pool directories on releases.u.c now; not changing symlinks for some time yet, obviously
[04:24] <Kamion> Keybuk: iz apt bug
[04:24] <mdz> Kamion: thanks
[04:24] <Kamion> I don't remember the current figure
[04:24] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: it should take < 5 minutes total.
[04:25] <Mithrandir> iirc
[04:25] <Keybuk> right-o, it's been about 4 so far
[04:25] <Kamion> Keybuk: are you behind a lame proxy that DROPs packets rather than REJECTing them?
[04:25] <Mithrandir> Kamion: it shouldn't matter.  It should time out in < 60 seconds per request, iirc
[04:25] <mdz> Kamion: does that include the server images?  or are those not going to releases?
[04:25] <Kamion> Mithrandir: I think it's faster if packets get rejected. I had a test framework here for it once ...
[04:26] <Kamion> mdz: oh, I forgot about server, will do that now I guess
[04:26] <Keybuk> Kamion: no, I just unplugged the network cable to stop it getting to the repository
[04:26] <mdz> Kamion: I haven't tested those yet
[04:26] <mdz> Kamion: have you?
[04:26] <Keybuk> otherwise it would've automatically installed the security updates
[04:26] <nayif> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17555 , http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16629
[04:26] <Kamion> mdz: fabbione did, I think; I've got a download somewhere around here that I'll test
[04:26] <mdz> Kamion: but not the latest build
[04:26] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: is there any message for each time it's timed out?
[04:27] <Keybuk> ah, it just timed out the first one
[04:27] <Kamion> mdz: I'll do so as soon as I can
[04:27] <Mithrandir> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8265 ; it should use 2 x 120 secs with the fix mvo committed
[04:27] <Kamion> Keybuk: hoary's worse for this than breezy is
[04:27] <Keybuk> just over 5 minutes then
[04:27] <Keybuk> Kamion: this is hoary, actually
[04:27] <Kamion> Keybuk: IIRC in hoary it was something crazy like 40 minutes
[04:27] <mdz> Kamion: me too; I wonder if rsyncing against a dvd iso would work well
[04:28] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: yeah, hoary is insane.
[04:28] <Mithrandir> or s/Keybuk/Kamion/
[04:31] <mdz> Kamion: interesting; aptitude sucked in the CD in the tray during base-config
[04:32] <Kamion> nifty
[04:32] <mdz> never seen it do that before, but I don't think I ever gave it the chance either
[04:32] <Keybuk> used to do it to me all the bloody time
[04:33] <Keybuk> when I had the tray-less drive and never bothered to remove the CD
[04:33] <nayif> Kamion, you ask me to report the bug on a way it can be manageable on this bug http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16629 , and i report it again on http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17555
[04:34] <nayif> and i test it again like you ask me on RC
[04:34] <Kamion> nayif: I'm not responsible for GDM or GNOME, so I can't help you with that
[04:35] <Kamion> nayif: I responded to the original bug because it got assigned to me
[04:38] <mdz> Kamion: perhaps we should remove the RC images from releases?
[04:39] <doko> Riddell: kubuntu dvd install succeeded, I hate to say, it "feels" snappier than the gnome desktop
[04:39] <Kamion> mdz: can't do that until the symlinks in breezy/ switch over
[04:40] <ogra> doko, if you hate it, just dont say it :)
[04:40] <Riddell> doko: excellent :)
[04:41] <ogra> Riddell, congats
[04:41] <Riddell> ogra: hang on, I havn't tested the i386 DVD yet :)
[04:41] <nayif> did ubuntu will be out with this bug on gonme with broken text on menu and GDM ?
[04:41] <mdz> nayif: /topic
[04:42] <ogra> Riddell, you got far more than me... i can only test x86 CD here and that one just turned out screatched :(
[04:42] <mdz> Kamion: are you any closer to a powerpc dvd than I am?    1832560384  58%  456.84kB/s    0:48:19
[04:43] <Kamion> mdz: I'm still testing the powerpc CD image. no
[04:43] <Kamion> and I probably won't bother now, will test ubuntu-server instead
[04:43] <Riddell> ogra: why can't you test amd64?
[04:43] <doko> mdz: are you doing the oem dvd i386 install?
[04:43] <ogra> Riddell, because my DVD writer on the lappie is broken :/
[04:43] <mdz> the server isos are mentioned in the draft release announcement
[04:43] <mdz> doko: yes, it's almost finished
[04:44] <ogra> Riddell, thats the only amd i have and the only DVD writer...
[04:44] <doko> ok, then I don't start it
[04:45] <jbailey> Now to try and get the crap on my hd down under 30gb
[04:46] <mdz> s/crap/pr0n/
[04:46] <Riddell> ogra: I know how you feel, my new amd64 lasted 2 days before blowing up last week
[04:46] <ogra> ouch
[04:46] <ogra> the nice one you blogged about ? 
[04:46] <daniels> 'nice'?
[04:46] <ogra> shiny
[04:46] <Riddell> yes, all those fancy lights don't do much good if it died on you
[04:47] <daniels> blue LEDs  nice
[04:47] <Riddell> daniels: blue, red and green.  very tasteful.
[04:47] <ogra> daniels, agreed, i thought it had more colors
[04:47] <ogra> ah
[04:50] <Keybuk> Riddell: mine hasn't arrived yet
[04:50] <Keybuk> I ordered a processor that's not yet been released, so am still waiting
[04:54] <bob2> of course you did
[04:54] <jbailey> When I bought mine a month or so ago, I bought the oldest one I could find on the market to avoid these problems.
[04:54] <jbailey> Mostly on the assumption that if they were still selling it, it couldn't be that horrible.
[04:54] <daniels> my amd64 just, y'know, worked
[04:55] <lifeless> mine did, after I took it back
[04:57] <dieman> heh
[04:57] <dieman> are there any faster mirrors? :)
[04:57] <Kamion> mdz: (ubuntu-server pre-published a while back)
[04:57] <dieman>   1195409408  43%  767.12kB/s    0:33:17
[04:57] <mdz> Kamion: dvd->ubuntu-server is a huge win
[04:57] <mdz>    592136192 100%    3.91MB/s    0:02:24  (1, 100.0% of 1)
[04:57] <Kamion> mdz: that would be great if I had any DVDs yet
[04:58] <dieman> mdz: heh, which server is that from? :)
[04:58] <Kamion> but noted for future reference :-)
[04:58] <Kamion> dieman: it's rsync based on an image which already has most of the same contents
[04:59] <dieman> ahh
[04:59] <mdz> Kamion: wow, server came out more full than I expected
[04:59] <dieman> i didn't notice releases is a dns round robin
[05:00] <doko> heading to bed, good night
[05:00] <mdz> doko: good night and thanks
[05:00] <Riddell> thanks for testing doko 
[05:01] <ogra> night doko
[05:02] <Kamion> mdz: yes, I was interested to see how close it was
[05:02] <Kamion> mdz: I didn't think you'd checked the size in advance
[05:03] <Keybuk> hmm
[05:03] <Keybuk> that's a new one
[05:03] <Keybuk> word list question during hoary->breezy upgrade
[05:04] <Kamion> Keybuk: Diziet encountered that too; I posted to ubuntu-devel@ about a related problem a while back - look for dictionaries-common
[05:04] <Keybuk> yeah it was dictionaries-common/default-wordlist
[05:07] <\sh> ok...i'll close my eyes for a while...
[05:08] <sistpoty> gn8 \sh
[05:08] <mdz> Kamion: have I got my ISOs crossed, or does the ubuntu-server isolinux text still say desktop/laptop, type 'server', etc.
[05:08] <ogra> night \sh 
[05:08] <\sh> please send a ctcp sound release_alarm.ogg to me if everything's settled...I won't here it but i think it's a nice joke
[05:08] <mdz> \sh: good night
[05:08] <\sh> -here +hear
[05:08] <ogra> \sh, i could call you :)
[05:09] <\sh> ogra: do it when u don't sleep as well :)
[05:09] <Kamion> mdz: the isolinux text is fiddly to update, unfortunately
[05:09] <ogra> i doubt i'll get sleep, lest see
[05:09] <ogra> *lets
[05:09] <Kamion> if you want me to try to update that now, I will
[05:09] <mdz> Kamion: not if it's fiddly
[05:09] <Kamion> (it can be done in the CD build process)
[05:10] <Kamion> I don't really trust myself to get it right at the moment
[05:10] <Kamion> although I could update the initial screen safely
[05:10] <\sh> ogra: k...call me when ever u like :)
[05:10] <mdz> Kamion: these are quick to test; we can roll them tomorrow
[05:10] <Kamion> ok
[05:12] <mdz> I've updated the announcement accordingly
[05:12] <mdz> ogra: how are you doing on testing?
[05:13] <ogra> mdz, had a scratched CD here took a while to get that fixed... 
[05:13] <ogra> doing my last test (default install i386) now
[05:14] <mdz> ogra: what have you tested already, and what remains to be tested?
[05:14] <ogra> server and workstatio were fine
[05:14] <ogra> DVD x86 and probably the amd64 iso... 
[05:14] <mdz> you have 12 tests to do, right?
[05:14] <mdz> (server,workstation) x (i386,amd64,powerpc)
[05:15] <ogra> i'm finishing the 3rd ://////7777
[05:15] <mdz> + DVDs
[05:15] <jsgotangco> ugghh
[05:15] <mdz> ogra: are you rethinking your position on the DVDs yet? ;-)
[05:15] <ogra> i'm not after testing amd64 or ppc DVDs if its not absolutely necessary
[05:15] <ogra> but i'd like to know x86 works...
[05:16] <mdz> we can hold them back from the release, but we won't release untested images
[05:17] <ogra> i'll get some HW tomorrow, probably i can make a ppc and x86 test then...
[05:17] <ogra> (DVD that is)
[05:17] <mdz> ogra: this is edubuntu's first public release; we can be conservative in what we ship this time
[05:17] <Kamion> sometimes I wish we could do releases from an office/lab; we could fill it with DVD burners, a really fast pipe, test machines, and lots and lots of coffee and sugar
[05:17] <mdz> ogra: we can also release with only CDs, test the DVDs tomorrow and release them iff they work correctly
[05:17] <ogra> mdz, ok... so a amd64 and ppc CD iso test would be needed i guess
[05:17] <jbailey> Ooo, only a million and a half files to rsync to the other ox.
[05:18] <ogra> mdz, yes, that'd be fine with me...
[05:18] <elmo> Kamion: well, you're welcome to do it in the DC, if you want - it's not a pleasant working enviroment, but it has all of that except for DVD burners
[05:18] <mdz> ogra: so again, which tests  have you done?
[05:18] <ogra> we just agrred to have a DVD if possible on the summit, i dont want to dissapoint sabdfl
[05:19] <mdz> elmo: WHAT'S THAT?  I COULDN'T HEAR YOUR SUGGESTION OVER THE FANS
[05:19] <ogra> mdz, x86 is just finishing in the other room, all three installs tested
[05:19] <Kamion> elmo: if we're at this number of images for dapper, I might well take you up on that
[05:19] <mdz> ogra: what's the third?
[05:19] <Keybuk> and postfix dep problems *sigh*
[05:19] <mdz> ogra: rather, what are the three installs?
[05:19] <ogra> server, workstation and default
[05:19] <mdz> I thought the default was server
[05:19] <daniels> Kamion: byo pillow
[05:20] <Keybuk> sorry, postfix postinst broke
[05:20] <lamont__> Keybuk: ??
[05:20] <mdz> jsgotangco: edubuntu?
[05:20] <ogra> mdz, i kept server as is 
[05:20] <Keybuk> lamont__: hoary->breezy upgrade, postfix: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[05:20] <mdz> ogra: seriously?
[05:20] <ogra> mdz, yes
[05:20] <jsgotangco> mdz, no ubuntu still downloading edubuntu atm
[05:20] <ogra> mdz, the default is called edubuntu
[05:21] <mdz> jsgotangco: so you tested desktop and oem, thanks
[05:21] <ogra> mdz, and we have an additional workstation install thats ubuntu with edubuntu-desktop
[05:22] <mdz> Kamion: I'm going to test the server images anyway while I wait for the powerpc dvd again
[05:22] <Kamion> (default installs both edubuntu-desktop and edubuntu-server)
[05:22] <ogra> mdz, for overview: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallNotes 
[05:22] <Keybuk> lamont__: in particular, "fatal: could not find any active network interfaces"
[05:22] <hno73> goodnight all. have fun :)
[05:22] <jbailey> lamont-ia64-live: Eh, cool.
[05:22] <ogra> mdz, err, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallNotes
[05:22] <lamont-ia64-live> jbailey, yeah - works
[05:22] <Keybuk> i suspect this is the same as mvo found
[05:23] <dieman> there we go
[05:23] <lamont-ia64-live> Keybuk, on hoary upgrade?
[05:23] <dieman> found a mirror that was willing to send to me at 30mbps
[05:23] <Keybuk> lamont-ia64-live: yah
[05:23] <lamont__> gah - back to the other machine
[05:23] <dieman> it will have to do
[05:23] <Kamion> ogra: you mean EdubuntuInstallNotes?
[05:23] <lamont__> Keybuk: from a hoary install? or warty>
[05:23] <Keybuk> lamont__: hoary install without security or updates
[05:23] <lamont__> Keybuk: ok
[05:23] <ogra> Kamion, in fact i meant http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes, yes :)
[05:24] <ogra> the wiki merge is quite confusing
[05:24] <ogra> i had to rename all my stuff and links...
[05:25] <lamont__> Keybuk: do you have /etc/postfix/{main,master}.cf where I can look at them?
[05:25] <Keybuk> lamont__: no, it'll be wiped already
[05:26] <Keybuk> was just whatever hoary made out of the box
[05:26] <lamont__> ok
[05:26] <Keybuk> I installed hoary not 20 minutes ago <g>
[05:26] <Keybuk> specifically to test this
[05:27] <lamont__> I suspect that the trivial fix is either: (1) postconf -e 'inet_interfaces = loopback-only' or (2) remove postfix and/or fix master.cf to match.  grumble.
[05:28] <lamont__> just need a crash and burn box
[05:31] <jbailey> Wow, delete ccache and hct's cache and I'm down to 117k files from 1.5M
[05:31] <jbailey> Keybuk: Is hct going to clean up after itself? and delete cached things older than a certain period?
[05:33] <mdz> Kamion: we need to remove the RC (or otherwise shrink the pool) before we can push the release to us.releases
[05:33] <calc> btw the live powerpc cd isn't up yet
[05:33] <mdz> calc: yes, it is
[05:33] <lamont__> calc: I have a copy that I downloaded....
[05:34] <mdz> calc: where were you looking?
[05:34] <calc> .pool
[05:34] <Kamion> mdz: removing DVDs is a better option; I'll sort that out
[05:34] <calc> perhaps i am looking in the wrong place
[05:34] <Keybuk> jbailey: new HCT uses bzr, so there's no cache, there's just whatever you have in your project tree
[05:34] <Kamion> or moving RC DVDs to cdimage.ubuntu.com, I should say
[05:34] <Keybuk> if you wipe ~/scratch/udev all of the udev repository and shit goes too
[05:34] <Keybuk> (unless you've published it somewhere, of course)
[05:34] <jbailey> Keybuk: \o/
[05:35] <mdz> Kamion: CD images are blessed, ready to go once they're mirrored
[05:35] <Keybuk> I'm hoping I'll be able to give you something to play with during the pre-conf "quiet period"
[05:35] <elmo> Kamion: why not just kill RC now?
[05:35] <elmo> it's not as if having anyone test it is useful
[05:35] <Keybuk> --> /msg (as off-topic)
[05:36] <Kamion> elmo: am already shifting DVDs around ...
[05:36] <Kamion> it'll get killed automatically when I publish the release for real
[05:36] <calc> ah i see the ppc one now, guess its in the middle of copying right now
[05:37] <calc> or i was blind
[05:37] <dieman> im trying to at least get the -install isos
[05:37] <dieman> im nearly done with -live too
[05:37] <dieman> wont have the dvd's in time
[05:37] <Riddell> anyone able to check over the kubuntu announcement?  http://kubuntu.org/announcements/breezy-release.php
[05:38] <mdz> Kamion: ubuntu-server on i386 and amd64 went splendidly
[05:40] <calc> Riddell: kaffeine misspelled
[05:40] <Kamion> do release announcements need to point to the DVDs?
[05:40] <calc> also is breezy badger supposed to be capitalized?
[05:40] <mdz> yes
[05:41] <calc> Riddell: see above wrt capitalization
[05:41] <lamont__> hrmpf
[05:42] <carthik> Riddell http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php links test say "5.04" though they link to the 5.10 RC disc images
[05:42] <calc> Riddell: kaffeine is spelled right in the title but not in the description
[05:42] <dieman> lamont__: heh
[05:43] <calc> " Kubuntu 5.10 can be download from http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/5.10" probably should read "downloaded"
[05:43] <dieman> lamont__: im busy trying to get them somewhere in the usa.
[05:43] <lamont__> dieman: if you do, holler.. :)
[05:43] <dieman> ok
[05:43] <lamont__> s/if/when/
[05:43] <lamont__> I'm at 26%, 9 hours remaining.
[05:44] <lamont__> and gonna kill it and go home, once the i386 install CD is done burning
[05:44] <dieman> heh
[05:44] <dieman> i got all the install cds
[05:44] <dieman> how far off is the -rc dvd from the release dvd?
[05:44] <dieman> is it worth trying to rsync to that?
[05:44] <mdz> dieman: yes
[05:44] <dieman> ok
[05:44] <Kamion> dieman: are you only mirroring releases.u.c, or cdimage too?
[05:44] <dieman> just release for now
[05:44] <dieman> releases
[05:44] <Kamion> because the release DVD won't be going to releases.u.c
[05:45] <dieman> hmm
[05:45] <dieman> i see it on some sites
[05:45] <calc> "Please download by Bittorrent if possible." by sounds awkward but maybe just to me (via or using seems better)
[05:45] <dieman> im so confused!
[05:45] <Kamion> just to cdimage.u.c/releases/breezy/release/
[05:45] <calc> or maybe even "with"
[05:45] <Kamion> dieman: er, I haven't put it there on the master
[05:45] <Kamion> the RC DVD is there
[05:45] <mdz> dieman: maybe you saw the RC dvd
[05:45] <dieman> yeah
[05:45] <jbailey> calc: "The preferred way to get these is through Bittorrent."  "Use Bittorrent if possible", or something.
[05:45] <dieman> but some people have the rc dvd in their release .pool
[05:45] <Kamion> it should be going away now, I've moved it
[05:45] <jbailey> calc: Just sidestep the akwardness
[05:46] <calc> jbailey: yea
[05:46] <carthik> Riddell: also "Google suggest" might be "Google Suggest" - sorry if I am bugging you :)
[05:47] <calc> Riddell: looks pretty good other than the above mentioned things (check all comments i made, not all were prefixed with your nick)
[05:47] <carthik> Riddell, "/etc/apt/source.list" should be "/etc/apt/sources.list"
[05:48] <calc> carthik: also needs an apt-get update
[05:48] <calc> or does dist-upgrade do that automagically now
[05:49] <crimsun> (no, still needs an update first)
[05:49] <calc> ok
[05:49] <carthik> Riddell, also, the page https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuBreezyReleaseKnownProblems does not exist yet (don't know if this really matters)
[05:51] <carthik> Riddell, since the www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki redirects to wiki.ubuntu.com and ubuntulinux.org throws an "expired certificate" message, maybe change the links to wiki.ubuntu.com/%s ?
[05:52] <Riddell> all fixed, thanks much carthik and calc 
[05:52] <wasabi> So somebody enlighten me. Is universe frozen also?
[05:52] <calc> np
[05:52] <bob2> wasabi: /topic
[05:52] <mdz> wasabi: it is about time
[05:52] <wasabi> k
[05:52] <mdz> why?
[05:53] <wasabi> Just wasn't sure. If it wasn't I was going to fix a minor Eclipse bug.
[05:54] <Unfrgiven> mdz: any chance that the introdeveloperdocs package from the new queue will make it into breezy (universe rep)?
[05:54] <mdz> Unfrgiven: if it isn't in already, it's too late
[05:54] <calc> Riddell: i think krita desc may be a sentence fragment
[05:54] <calc> Riddell: though i never did well in grammar ;)
[05:55] <mdz> Unfrgiven: release times are too busy to expect new packages to be processed quickly
[05:55] <wasabi> I'm kinda happy to see my Eclipse efforts finally pay off.
[05:56] <wasabi> Debian maintainer took them and polished them up. ;)
[05:57] <Riddell> calc: yep, fixed
[05:58] <Kamion> +The default installation is suitable for servers, and installs only the base
[05:58] <Kamion> +system. You may install additional packages of your choice from the CD once
[05:58] <Kamion> +the installation is complete.
[05:58] <Kamion> mdz: that OK with you?
[05:58] <mdz> Kamion: yes, thanks
[05:58] <Kamion> actually, too many "install"s in there, one moment
[05:59] <Kamion> +The default installation is suitable for servers, and installs only the base
[05:59] <calc> Riddell: er isn't the subject of the sentence still missing?
[05:59] <Kamion> +system. Afterwards, you may install additional packages of your choice from
[05:59] <Kamion> +the CD.
[05:59] <calc> Riddell: putting a period at the end doesn't make it a sentence automatically ;)
[05:59] <Kamion> mdz: turned out to be straightforward after all
[05:59] <calc> Riddell: which is where i get to the point about not knowing for sure whether it is considered a fragment or not
[06:00] <calc> heh
[06:00] <calc> jbailey: you actually want your system wiped? :)
[06:00] <Riddell> calc: well this isn't prose, it's a list under the subject "new in kubuntu 5.10"
[06:00] <calc> jbailey: oops misparsed what you wrote
[06:00] <jbailey> calc: I seem to be the one to do ppc64 tests. =)
[06:00] <calc> Riddell: true, nm :)
[06:03] <wasabi> yay flash system "just about done!"
[06:03] <jbailey> Hmm, no automatic lvm option on ppc64-server.
[06:04] <Kamion> mdz: drum roll please
[06:06] <mdz> Kamion: *drums on the desk*
[06:06] <dieman> heh
[06:06] <Kamion> mirrors are syncing the Ubuntu release
[06:06] <dieman> woo!
[06:07] <Kamion> install CD and live CD only for now
[06:07] <Unfrgiven> congrats to all! :)
[06:08] <Keybuk> Kamion: WAIT!
[06:08] <Keybuk> :p
[06:08] <Kamion> dude
[06:08] <mdz> Kamion: oh, us.releases wasn't finished with the isos yet
[06:08] <lamont__> ew. tomato paste
[06:08] <Kamion> mdz: nor se.releases, I think
[06:08] <dieman> ok
[06:08] <dieman> im active for releases
[06:09] <dieman> for breezy/ubuntu install/live
[06:09] <Riddell> Kamion: can you put the kubuntu CDs on release too?
[06:09] <dieman> waiting for the rest of the isos to make it
[06:09] <Kamion> I don't entirely understand why se. is lagging
[06:09] <wasabi> So is this "it"?
[06:10] <jbailey> we're going to die...
[06:10] <crimsun> wasabi: yes.
[06:10] <Kamion> mdz: ack kubuntu?
[06:10] <wasabi> Who has the champaign?
[06:10] <jbailey> (mandatory HHGG quote)
[06:10] <elmo> Kamion: the DVDs probably :P
[06:10] <mdz> Kamion: let's get ubuntu up first
[06:10] <elmo> I'll kill it and start the sync again
[06:10] <Kamion> elmo: what's so hard about removing files?
[06:10] <elmo> ugh did you just randomly retrigger?
[06:11] <Kamion> what, just now? no
[06:11] <mdz> Kamion: then we can remove RC and publish kubuntu at the same time, right?
[06:11] <Kamion> five minutes ago, yes
[06:11] <Kamion> mdz: yes
[06:11] <mdz> we know at least one of the mirrors is tight on space
[06:11] <Kamion> publish-release does that itself ...
[06:12] <Kamion> mdz: I removed ~16GB from releases earlier
[06:12] <mdz> announcement is in the moderation queue now
[06:12] <Kamion> if they're *still* tight on space, they suck :-)
[06:12] <Keybuk> Kamion: that's generally a mirror's job isn't it?
[06:12] <mdz> Kamion: what did you remove apart from the RC DVDs?
[06:13] <Keybuk> sucking and blowing as hard as they can
[06:13] <Kamion> mdz: the RC DVDs come to about 16GB
[06:13] <mdz> Kamion: oh, you did kubuntu as well?
[06:13] <Kamion> right
[06:14] <jbailey> ppc64 server install good.
[06:14] <calc> might be useful to remove the colony/rc releases from torrent site also to keep people from being confused
[06:15] <Kamion> calc: I thought I removed colony-5 earlier today
[06:15] <Kamion> but yeah, I'll remove the rc
[06:15] <calc> though they probably should be downloading via a torrent file instead of the tracker itself
[06:15] <jbailey> The wiki appears to be unable to see the authentication database...
[06:17] <Kamion> calc: I've removed most of the RC with prejudice from the master; will sync once elmo gives me the ok
[06:17] <ogra> mdz, i386 edubuntu completely done and blessed
[06:17] <mdz> ogra: great
[06:17] <ogra> yup
[06:17] <mdz> ogra: how about some sleep?
[06:17] <Kamion> calc: but note that it gets rm'ed automatically on the master when the release gets published - I just purged some stuff that hasn't quite been superseded yet
[06:17] <elmo> Kamion: sync yourself happy
[06:18] <ogra> mdz, there is still some small webpage and wiki stuff in 30 min i'm done :)
[06:18] <elmo> us.r.c is still syncing the images tho
[06:18] <elmo> I'll manually rekick it when it's done
[06:18] <mdz> ogra: you're what?
[06:18] <Kamion> elmo: I still don't understand what se.r is doing
[06:18] <elmo> Kamion: is it definitely not up-to-date?
[06:18] <mdz> ogra: I'm suggesting that you sleep and continue with the release after
[06:19] <ogra> mdz, i'm done for today in 30min :) i have to ship some screenshots for highvoltage etc...
[06:19] <Kamion> elmo: http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/ is showing an Archive-Update-In-Progress and an out-of-date HEADER.html at least
[06:19] <lamont__> elmo: will the poor SCC arch's be allowed a little time to catch up, or is the archive locked down hard already?
[06:19] <mdz> ogra: ok, agreed
[06:19] <ogra> ;)
[06:19] <mdz> us.releases has 4/6
[06:19] <Kamion> elmo: the actual images seem to be there, but it's not updating the symlinks in breezy/
[06:20] <elmo> hmm, it's rsync-ing SOMETHING, and a lot of it
[06:20] <elmo> lamont: archive's not locked down yet
[06:21] <fabbione> morning guys
[06:21] <Kamion> the images themselves got (effectively) touched when the symlinks were changed; I don't know if that's relevant
[06:21] <ogra> morning fabbione 
[06:21] <Kamion> (actually identical versions re-copied in because publish-release is just that clever)
[06:21] <elmo> maswan: ?
[06:21] <mdz> Kamion: timestamps preserved?
[06:22] <Kamion> mdz: no
[06:22] <Kamion> er, yes
[06:22] <Kamion> uses cp -a
[06:22] <lifeless> elmo: did we just lose all useful bandwidth ?
[06:22] <elmo> lifeless: err, no?
[06:23] <lifeless> ok, wiki is just being painfully slow
[06:23] <elmo> that's nothing to do with the bandwidth
[06:23] <elmo> that's moin being crap, AFAICT
[06:23] <Kamion> elmo: oh, meh, ok, it's rsyncing the Kubuntu images I pre-published ages ago, I think
[06:23] <lifeless> heh, k
[06:24] <Kamion> or possibly Edubuntu
[06:24] <Kamion> yay derivatives
[06:24] <elmo> Kamion: which images?
[06:24] <elmo> oh, nm, duh, the soon-to-be-golden ones
[06:24] <elmo> gar
[06:24] <Kamion> right ...
[06:24] <jsgotangco> ogra, edubuntu x86 workstation PASS
[06:24] <Kamion> elmo: not much to be done about that, I'm going for a drink
[06:24] <ogra> jsgotangco, yay :)
[06:25] <Kamion> mdz: ubuntu-server rebuilding with updated syslinux.txt (I hope)
[06:26] <mdz> Kamion: powerpc dvd is looking OK so far
[06:27] <calc> heh there is an old 5.04/array-7 dir still on cdimage full of isos
[06:29] <mdz> us.releases now has all the isos, not the links yet though
[06:29] <mdz> announcement is in the moderation queue
[06:29] <Kamion> calc: *clicketyclick* not any more there's not
[06:29] <Kamion> (thanks)
[06:29] <whiprush> mdz: is there a way you can send me the announcement so I can get the fridge ready?
[06:29] <whiprush> unless jdub is handling it.
[06:30] <mdz> I think jdub is out for the count
[06:30] <Kamion> jdub's on UK time
[06:30] <mdz> I can bounce you a copy if you give me your email address
[06:30] <whiprush> ah
[06:30] <whiprush> jorge@whiprush.org
[06:30] <mdz> en route
[06:30] <whiprush> ta
[06:30] <calc> Kamion: heh :)
[06:31] <fabbione> mdz: sorry, can you forward it here too? lamont and I need to prepare the announce for SCC
[06:31] <fabbione> (and wiki is locked)
[06:31] <mdz> fabbione: wiki is what?:
[06:31] <fabbione> "/!\The authentication database is temporarily unavailable. Anonymous access only."
[06:32] <fabbione> i thought somebody did lock it on purpose
[06:32] <Kamion> aha, se.releases is up to date in the parts that matter now
[06:32] <fabbione> (wiki.u.c)
[06:32] <mdz> fabbione: no idea what that is about
[06:32] <Kamion> (it's still dealing with kubuntu, edubuntu, ubuntu-server)
[06:32] <fabbione> mdz: ok..
[06:32] <jbailey> fabbione: It's been that way for at least 10m.
[06:32] <mdz> I can't login to the website either to publish the news item
[06:32] <fabbione> jbailey: ok
[06:32] <mdz> elmo?
[06:32] <Riddell> whiprush: can you do the kubuntu story too?  http://kubuntu.org/announcements/breezy-release.php
[06:32] <elmo> mdz: uh?
[06:32] <mdz> elmo: launchpad auth seems to be borked somehow?
[06:33] <jbailey> Suspect that LP went to sleep. =)
[06:33] <jsgotangco> whiprush, don't forget our edubuntu story too!
[06:33] <elmo> stub's doing a  production upgrade
[06:33] <whiprush> Yikes!
[06:33] <whiprush> ok
[06:33] <mdz> oh, hell
[06:33] <Keybuk> stub's taken it down
[06:33] <ogra> perfect timing :)
[06:33] <lifeless> timing!
[06:33] <mdz> stub: the timing is not ideal
[06:33] <fabbione> mdz: what time is over your TZ?
 Anyway... just about done.
[06:34] <mdz> fabbione: 2134
[06:34] <fabbione> it's not 13 everywhere in the world yet :)
[06:34] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:34] <stub> done
[06:34] <fabbione> are we going to release the 12 and 1/2?
[06:34] <mdz> yes
[06:34] <jbailey> fabbione: Pretend you're Harry Potter.
[06:34] <fabbione> :)
[06:35] <ajmitch> fabbione: the 13th is 3/4 done here
[06:35] <stub> mdz: Needed for a shipit update which have been getting 'DOIT' priorities
[06:35] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, heh
[06:35] <whiprush> jsgotangco: link me to a release announcement or something please.
[06:36] <mdz> stub: it's not going to hold up the release, just getting it on the website :-)
[06:36] <mdz> stub: that'll change with soyuz though...
[06:36] <Kamion> mdz: aren't you just looking forward to it
[06:37] <stub> mdz: We have plans and a spec for keeping authentication running during these outages. Just a matter of time.
[06:37] <Keybuk> Kamion: what do you mean?  mdz loves launchpad
[06:37] <Kamion> Keybuk: absence makes the heart grow fonder
[06:37] <Keybuk> meeeeow
[06:38] <mdz> stub: it's no problem for it to go down for this sort of interval, we just need to coordinate in advance
[06:38] <bddebian> I know you folks probably don't care to hear it from me but Great Work and Congratulations!!! :-)
[06:38] <mdz> Keybuk: I also love the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairie
[06:39] <stub> mdz: Normally coordination is done automatically in that updates are done in AU time. This obviously needs to adjust to the pre-release 24hour shifts ;)
[06:39] <mdz> bddebian: what do you mean?  we especially care to hear it from you
[06:39] <bddebian> :-)
[06:39] <Kamion> us.r is going to be a while, from the look of it; it's still in edubuntu/.pool/
[06:39] <dieman> wow
[06:39] <Kamion> stub: 24-hour shifts are for wusses
[06:39] <bddebian> Anyway, gnight folks.  Thanks for all your hard work.
[06:40] <tseng> bddebian: i vote you in top 5 bugfixers
[06:40] <Kamion> real men do 36-hour shifts
[06:40] <ogra> bddebian, it wouldnt be what it is now without you :)
[06:40] <dieman> the i386 install torrent is doing nearly a megabyte/sec on its own
[06:40] <tseng> bddebian: have a medal
[06:40] <mdz> stub: distro work is done on AU time as well, and I'm often working during these hours too
[06:40] <bddebian> ogra: Pfft :-)
[06:40] <ogra> ;)
[06:40] <Keybuk> Kamion: what does that make me?  that's my usual working day <g>
[06:41] <elmo> it's at 4/6 of edubuntu
[06:41] <elmo> got kubuntu + ubuntu
[06:41] <Kamion> elmo: Edubuntu only has 3
[06:42] <Kamion> oh, preview's still there because we haven't published for real yet. it's had those 3 for ages though.
[06:43] <Kamion> elmo: it doesn't appear to have kubuntu yet, only the rc
[06:43] <elmo> e < k
[06:43] <elmo> so, it hasn't got kubuntu sigh
[06:44] <Kamion> I think I might take the opportunity to go out to the 24-hour supermarket for some more coffee
[06:47] <Riddell> should the kubuntu announcement mention bugzilla or malone?
[06:52] <mdz> Riddell: yes
[06:52] <Riddell> mdz: which? :)
[06:53] <mdz> Riddell: bugzilla for main, malone for universe
[06:53] <Riddell> ok
[06:53] <Keybuk> ah, we must be near release, mdz is getting "cheerful" :)
[06:55] <elmo> Kamion: back yet?
[06:56] <elmo> Kamion: in any event, are the server ISOs final?
[06:59] <jbailey> ppc64 oem and resize ok
[07:14] <Lathiat> uh, the wiki seems to have recently broken for subpages, the CSS isn't included
[07:14] <Lathiat> e.g. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/DellPrecisionM20
[07:14] <Keybuk> mdz: \o/
[07:14] <Keybuk> congrats
[07:15] <Lathiat> woohoo :)
[07:15] <mdz> I'm fresh out of champagne
[07:15] <ajmitch> well done everyone :)
[07:15] <mdz> talisker it is
[07:15] <fabbione> yay
[07:15] <mdz> great work everyone
[07:15] <jsgotangco> woooo
[07:15] <Keybuk> a whole 6 months before we have to do that again
[07:16] <whiprush> fridge updated!
[07:16] <fabbione> Keybuk: ehehhe
[07:16] <Kamion> elmo: the ones I just built should be - not the pre-published nes
[07:16] <jsgotangco> wooooo
[07:16] <elmo> Kamion: ugh
[07:16] <Kamion> the change should be rsync-trivial
[07:17] <Kamion> To burn the Ubuntu 5.10 CD images to disk, you will need 700MB
[07:17] <Kamion> media.
[07:17] <Kamion> mdz: we forgot to remove that bit
[07:18] <mdz> Kamion: heh, oops
[07:18] <mdz> I'll fix it on the website
[07:18] <mdz> fixed
[07:19] <Kamion> ta
[07:19] <ajmitch> it's hard to find 650MB blanks now :)
[07:19] <bob2> hah
[07:19] <Kamion> Kubuntu publishing on little, but I'll hold off on the mirror sync until us.releases has caught up
[07:20] <dieman> yeah
[07:20] <dieman> i dont even think like walgreens has 650mb ones
[07:20] <jsgotangco> wheres your release notes link?
[07:20] <Riddell> Kamion: what is little?
[07:21] <bob2> Riddell: the cd build machine...
[07:21] <jsgotangco> the natives are restless?
[07:23] <mdz> my word there are a lot of people in #ubuntu
[07:23] <Riddell> jsgotangco: actually most of them have given up and gone to sleep :)
[07:23] <Keybuk> I think the DISTROWATCH SPIES are asleep
[07:23] <jsgotangco> hehe
[07:24] <wasabi> mdz, was it you who mentioned ya'll had looked at unionfs?
[07:24] <Keybuk> and we missed LWN
[07:24] <bob2> OMG UBUNTU IS NUMBER ONE ON DISTROWATCH
[07:24] <mdz> wasabi: yes
[07:24] <speel> =o did some one sat distrowatch
[07:24] <lamont> bob2: again?
[07:24] <speel> say*
[07:24] <wasabi> mdz got it working pretty good, stable.
[07:24] <wasabi> Surely it's not a "stable" project righ tnow, but my install is. ;)
[07:24] <Keybuk> bob2: THE AWARD WINNING UBUNTU (AS SEEN ON TV)
[07:24] <Keybuk> itym
[07:24] <bob2> oh, good point
[07:24] <bob2> yay veronica
[07:25] <wasabi> Not there yet.
[07:25] <Keybuk> slashdot hate us
[07:25] <Lathiat> whats the website with dapper goals?
[07:25] <Lathiat> is it in the main wiki?
[07:25] <Keybuk> they haven't been drawn up yet
[07:25] <Keybuk> that's what UBZ is for
[07:26] <Lathiat> err, i mean, promosed UBZ dapper goals
[07:26] <Lathiat> its ok i found it
[07:26] <Kamion> dieman: I can find 650MB blanks for sale near the end of dabs.com's listings, although certainly the vast majority are 700MB
[07:27] <dieman> heh
[07:27] <Keybuk> elmo: can we upload yet?  can we?  can we?  huh?  huh?
[07:27] <dieman> heh
[07:27] <dieman> the DISTROWATCH SPIES
[07:27] <mdz> elmo: I would like to upgrade to dapper plz help kthx
[07:27] <wasabi> elmo: can you sync * from debian?
[07:27] <mdz> distrowatch is asleep; no announcement yet
[07:28] <Keybuk> actually, has upload-to-breezy been switched off?
[07:29] <ajmitch> probably a good idea before some random MOTU decides to upload
[07:29] <Lathiat> wasabi: heh, i read that as 'asterisk'
[07:29] <wasabi> yeah i did too after I said it. =(
[07:29] <Lathiat> haha
[07:29] <elmo> upload-to-breezy will be switched off when all 3 derivatives are released
[07:29] <Lathiat> so theres still time to do that avahi sync i wanted? *g*
[07:30] <elmo> Lathiat: no
[07:30] <wasabi> I love the arrangement of the kernel packages
[07:30] <ajmitch> Lathiat: you're sol
[07:30] <fabbione> elmo: ok.. can you please give me 5 minutes notice so i will stop the buildd?
[07:30] <wasabi> linux-headers-k7 ,always tracking latest version ,etc.
[07:30] <Kamion> cjwatson@little:~/cdimage/www$ for-project kubuntu publish-release daily-live 20051012.3 live yes
[07:30] <Kamion> Daily for breezy powerpc on 20051012.3 is oversized! Continue? [yN]  y
[07:30] <Kamion> YEAH WHATEVER
[07:30] <fabbione> Kamion: GO GO GO! :)
[07:32] <elmo> lamont: ?
[07:32] <carthik> Excuse the interruption in the regular broadcast - but - THANK YOU! All!! - from the bottom of my heart.
[07:32] <lamont> elmo: si?
[07:32] <elmo> lamont: ok to disable binary uploads?
[07:33] <elmo> i.e. hppa/ia64
[07:33] <lamont> hrm... well...
[07:33] <CaiN_SA> omw lol
[07:33] <lamont> if you must
[07:33] <CaiN_SA> since yesterday
[07:33] <lamont> but it'd be nice to have a few more hours (hppa has ~100 packages to try)(
[07:33] <CaiN_SA> only 1 package update came out for my system :/
[07:33] <lamont> most of which will fail
[07:33] <elmo> lamont: in universe or main?
[07:33] <Keybuk> ah, DW woke up
[07:33] <lamont> I wanna give qt-x11-free the college try, but otherwise purely universe
[07:33] <jhank> btw i am the distrowatch spy :)
[07:34] <jbailey> lamont: Does this mean youactually get to keep a breezy archive?
[07:34] <jhank> tell me what to write *fg*
[07:34] <mdz> jhank: hey, welcome :-)
[07:34] <Kamion> us.releases appears up-to-date now
[07:34] <lamont> jbailey: feh
[07:34] <calc> jhank: write more about how ubuntu's naming is leet ;)
[07:34] <jhank> thanks matt
[07:34] <mdz> Kamion: with everything?
[07:34] <jhank> okay calc, what else ;)
[07:34] <Kamion> mdz: it's got the symlinks, which usually indicates it's got everything; they're last to rsync
[07:35] <elmo> Kamion: no, I cheated
[07:35] <mdz> jhank: complain about the desktop theme or something
[07:35] <elmo> Kamion: it's still missing edu and kub
[07:35] <elmo> they're just starting
[07:35] <dholbach> how do we look?
[07:35] <jhank> noooo i don't i like it - bad luck ;)
[07:35] <Kamion> elmo: ah, ok - thanks
[07:35] <mdz> dholbach: we look dapper indeed, I say ;-)
[07:36] <dholbach> ROCK
[07:36] <fabbione> DAPPER DAPPER DAPPER!
[07:36] <Keybuk> GAY DUCK!
[07:36] <dholbach> YAY! :)
[07:36] <fabbione> Keybuk: YES!
[07:36] <fabbione> ahhaha
[07:36] <Keybuk> now, where did I put that mp3 of "Disco Duck" ?
[07:36] <Lathiat> haha
[07:36] <mdz> thanks to all of you for the lovely birthday present :-)
[07:37] <lamont> mdz: is it your b-day?
[07:37] <Keybuk> mdz: it's not your birthday yet, is it?
[07:37] <Keybuk> 1h30 by my clock
[07:37] <mdz> Keybuk: everywhere except local time
[07:37] <Keybuk> in which timezone were you born?
[07:37] <lamont> happy birthday mdz
[07:37] <Kamion> cool - happy mdz-day!
[07:37] <mdz> Keybuk: -4
[07:38] <jhank> which is where? mdz
[07:38] <dholbach> happy birthday matt! :)
[07:38] <mdz> jhank: Baltimore, MD, US
[07:38] <jhank> ahh happy birthday :)
[07:38] <mdz> thanks, all
[07:38] <Keybuk> ok, happy birthday then :p
[07:38] <jhank> well done ;)
[07:39] <mdz> I swear the release date was a complete coincidence
[07:39] <jhank> hehe
[07:39] <Lathiat> haha
[07:39] <jhank> and if not... who cares ;)
[07:39] <mdz> we moved from wednesdays to thursdays for other reasons and everything fell into place
[07:39] <fabbione> mdz: dude.. stop trying to catch up with my age :P
[07:40] <mdz> fabbione: I can only manage one per year
[07:40] <fabbione> mdz: ehhe
[07:40] <Kamion> Kubuntu release symlinks heading out to mirrors now
[07:40] <Kamion> Riddell: ^--
[07:41] <Riddell> just spotted :)
[07:42] <Kamion> mdz: DVDs good to go? the test plan at least has some entries for all architectures now, even if the powerpc ones are ppc64
[07:43] <mdz> Kamion: powerpc live passed, powerpc install in progress
[07:43] <mdz> (stage2)
[07:43] <dholbach> i'll take a shower, get some coffee and brb
[07:43] <mdz> Riddell: announcement moderated, congratulations
[07:44] <speel> woot :) nice work guys
[07:48] <wasabi> mdz, Re: #17669; That option prevents start-stop-daemon from being able to stop GDM on my flash-based system.
[07:48] <wasabi> But lack of the option doesn't have any effect on the outcome.
[07:49] <wasabi> With it it says GDM is not started. I guess I shoudl look at exactly what that option does...
[07:50] <mdz> wasabi: yes, that would be a good next step ;-)
[07:50] <wasabi> Hmm. I'll check it tomorrow. Causes it to check /proc/pid/exe. No clue why that would be wrong. ;)
[07:50] <wasabi> Since it launches it fine.
[07:50] <Kamion> you do have /proc mounted?
[07:50] <wasabi> yes. ;)
[07:50] <Kamion> just checking :)
[07:51] <pitti> Good morning
[07:51] <whiprush> pitti!
[07:52] <pitti> darn, I missed the release
[07:52] <pitti> great to see it out! thanks to everybody
[07:52] <Riddell> pitti: just in time for the kubuntu release
[07:52] <mdz> pitti: you aren't too late to celebrate ;-)
[07:52] <jbailey> pitti: Start drinking!
[07:52] <pitti> mdz: I wanted to go on a ppc testing tour now :-)
[07:52] <pitti> jbailey: ok, at this time of the day I'll drink tea :-)
[07:53] <mdz> Keybuk: but you didn't ask what time of day I was born
[07:53] <jbailey> pitti: The bars don't close here for another 2 hours. =)
[07:53] <Riddell> pitti: I still need the kubuntu ppc DVD tested
[07:53] <Keybuk> mdz: or which year ... and then we'd be getting into counting leap-seconds and other stuff
[07:54] <pitti> Riddell: ok, if I start now, the download will be finished in about a week, since it is 1.5 times of my weekly quota
[07:54] <jbailey> Keybuk: Didn't the US government just abolish the leap second at the same time as their DST reform?
[07:54] <bob2> ubuntu drinking game: drink until dapper ships.
[07:54] <Riddell> pitti: don't worry then, I've only got 1.5 hours to go on my download :)
[07:54] <pitti> Riddell: if it is urgent, I can go to the uni in about an hour and suck it ther
[07:54] <Keybuk> jbailey: ?!  are they slowly going out of sync with the rest of the world then?
[07:54] <jbailey> Keybuk: This is news?
[07:54] <Keybuk> bob2: drink, until launchpad is ready for dapper
[07:54] <pitti> Riddell: ok, I won't be faster than 1.5 hours
[07:54] <bob2> Keybuk: I don't want any fatalities
[07:54] <pitti> Riddell: btw, you still know the refusal of my computer to boot Kubuntu? :-/
[07:55] <Riddell> pitti: which arch was that?
[07:55] <pitti> Riddell: amd64
[07:56] <mdz> in the excitement I forgot to eat dinner
[07:56] <ivoks> congrats everyone
[07:56] <jbailey> Quick! Every order pizza for mdz...
[07:56] <jbailey> Everyone, even.
[07:56] <Riddell> pitti: it worked perfectly on mine (until my amd64 broke), must be something strange about yours
[07:57] <Keybuk> jbailey: send an e-mail, you know, the kind that says you have to forward it to 10 friends
[07:57] <Keybuk> with any luck, we can keep mdz in pizza for life
[07:57] <mdz> delivery options are limited at this time ofnight
[07:57] <jbailey> Riddell: Didn't I repot the same problem?
[07:57] <pitti> mdz: enjoy it then; you truly earned it :-)
[07:57] <mdz> I think I will need to actually leave the house
[07:57] <Riddell> jbailey: yes
[07:57] <jbailey> mdz: 11pm on a Thursday, really?
[07:57] <mdz> jbailey: lots open, but not for delivery
[07:58] <jbailey> Oh, hey, subtract day when crossing over midnight.
[07:58] <Keybuk> dude, you live in AMERICA, can't you get any form of fast food delivered 24/7
[07:58] <mdz> I don't eat fast food
[07:58] <calc> fast food delivers?
[07:58] <Burgundavia> queue the whining --> http://www.techspot.com/news/19060-ati-catalyst-510-drivers-released.html
[07:58] <mdz> Keybuk: can your country even manage to deliver a pizza yet?
[07:58] <calc> only delivery here is for pizza
[07:59] <Keybuk> mdz: I assume so
[07:59] <Burgundavia> lxer just picked up the release announcment
[07:59] <jbailey> mdz: There's a lovely all veggie-Thai place in Montr'eal
[07:59] <Keybuk> I enjoy cooking too much to find out
[08:00] <pitti> darn, security flaw in OpenSSL - I think we'll see breezy's first USN today...
[08:01] <mdz> pitti: so it goes
[08:01] <fabbione> pitti: wow
[08:02] <jbailey> pitti: You're just showing off ;)
[08:02] <mdz> pitti: just make sure the hoar-security version number is < breezy ;-)
[08:02] <wasabi> Thx jbailey!
[08:02] <wasabi> evoluiton exchange works again!
[08:02] <pitti> *cough*
[08:02] <pitti> mdz: I don't intend to update upstream version numbers for all our software :-)
[08:03] <jbailey> wasabi: Yay!  Feel free to close any bugs that look like problems you were having. =)
[08:03] <wasabi> Almost.
[08:03] <jbailey> Err.
[08:03] <wasabi> It refuses to conenct ot the backend now heh
[08:03] <jbailey> wasabi: Try /usr/lib/evolution/2.4/killev
[08:03] <jbailey> wasabi: And then connect again.
[08:04] <wasabi> wasabi   22584  0.5  1.8  25740  9472 ?        Sl   01:03   0:00 /usr/lib/evolution/2.4/evolution-exchange-storage --oaf-activate-ii
[08:04] <wasabi> wasabi   22592  0.5  1.3  17028  7168 ?        S    01:03   0:00 /usr/lib/libgnomeui-0/gnome_segv evolution-2.4 6 2.4.1
[08:04] <wasabi> heh.
[08:04] <wasabi> there are bout 30 gnome_segv processes right now
[08:05] <wasabi> nope, it screws up evo on every launch now
[08:05] <wasabi> in fact evo is now unusable. =(
[08:06] <jbailey> wasabi: Is this what you meant when yousaid it's "working"? =)
[08:06] <wasabi> Heh the config screen worked.
[08:06] <wasabi> Which was much more than previous.
[08:06] <wasabi> Got me excited!
[08:06] <jbailey> I have seen other success repots.  What was this upgraded from, Hoary?
[08:06] <wasabi> Well, it's been breezy for ages.
[08:07] <wasabi> Sure, upgraded from Hoary...
[08:07] <wasabi> And Warty.
[08:07] <wasabi> rm -rf ~/.evolution     =(
[08:07] <jbailey> WEll, if it's been breezy for a bit, then it's not just coping with the 2.2 -> 2.4 upgrade...
[08:07] <jbailey> wasabi: mv ~/.evolution ...
[08:07] <jbailey> It might help to debug it later.
[08:10] <wasabi> it worked. ;)
[08:10] <wasabi> yay!
[08:10] <wasabi> first time I've ever used this successfully.
[08:15] <dieman> shit
[08:15] <dieman> automated rsync nuked out the isos i had
[08:25] <dholbach> morning mvo
[08:28] <mdz> Kamion: DVDs are gold
[08:28] <mdz> Kamion: powerpc install checked out
[08:30] <mvo> mdz: happy birthday! 
[08:30] <jsgotangco> oh yeahhh
[08:30] <mdz> mvo: thanks
[08:31] <pitti> mdz: Hey, happy birthday from me, too!
[08:31] <mdz> pitti: and thank you too
[08:31] <pitti> mdz: now I know why you was eager to release it so quickly :-)
[08:32] <mvo> heh :) 
[08:32] <mdz> it was a cosmic intersection of events, I had nothing to do with it
[08:34] <jbailey> How to claim your birthday beer as a tax deductable business expense. =)
[08:35] <dieman>           [A
[08:36] <dieman> you sure know when comcast fails
[08:36] <dieman> one of my downloads went from 10mbps to 30mbps
[08:36] (dieman/#ubuntu-devel) (im on cable, but we have local peering with the univ)
[08:36] (dieman/#ubuntu-devel) (so i can just tunnel through work)
[08:58] <Kamion> mdz: great, thanks. publishing now
[08:59] <mdz> Kamion: talk to elmo
[08:59] <Kamion> mdz: source and ports CDs are both up on cdimage, though I suspect you don't care :-)
[08:59] <Kamion> elmo: I don't know what mdz wants me to talk to you about, but ...
[08:59] <mdz> er, I guess if it's only going to cdimage, it doesn't matter
[08:59] <mdz> there are some mirror issues right now
[08:59] <Kamion> indeed, only cdimage
[08:59] <mdz> Kamion: I do care; I'll be thinking of it all the way from here to my bed
[09:00] <mdz> where I am headed now, and I suggest you do the same
[09:00] <jbailey> mdz: Happy bnirthday in local time. =)
[09:00] <Kamion> we'll see; I don't want to get my body clock horrifically out of sync
[09:00] <mdz> jbailey: thanks
[09:01] <Kamion> I'll probably nap for a bit while Kirsten's at work
[09:01] <mdz> night all
[09:01] <Kamion> night
[09:01] <sabdfl> night mdz. congratulations!
[09:03] <fabbione> night mdz
[09:03] <jsgotangco> night mdz and happy birthday!
[09:03] <fabbione> mdz: ah can you wait a second only?
[09:04] <infinity> mdz : 'Night, dude.  Happy release/birthday
[09:05] <fabbione> mdz: good old man :)
[09:05] <fabbione> jdub, mako: ping?
[09:05] <highvoltage> mdz: happy birthday!
[09:10] <fabbione> sabdfl: do you have enough power on lists to allow the ports announce+
[09:10] <fabbione> ?
[09:10] <Riddell> jdub would, but he's on london time
[09:10] <fabbione> Riddell: yeah
[09:10] <fabbione> i know
[09:11] <jane_> can I send out the edubuntu release announcement? or does someone have to formally proof it first?
[09:11] <infinity> jane_ : It won't hit the list anyway until it's been approved by a list moderator.
[09:11] <infinity> jane_ : But it might be nice to pass it by a few people before you send.
[09:14] <Kamion> jane_: have all the images been tested?
[09:15] <Kamion> last I heard, that wasn't the case quite yet
[09:15] <jane_> Kamion: I last spoke to ogra about 12 hours ago, so I'd better dbl check, thanks
[09:16] <Kamion> the images were built later than that :-)
[09:16] <highvoltage> jane_: ogra still needed to test ppc and amd64 just before he went to sleep 
[09:17] <Kamion> yes, he said he had tested and was happy with i386
[09:17] <Kamion> but I'd rather not release just the one arch, if possible
[09:17] <jane_> ok well then there's no rush on the announcement... we have to get the green light from ogra, and no doubt mdz too
[09:17] <jane_> Kamion: agreed
[09:18] <Kamion> I'm happy to release with the green light from ogra and a statement that all the images that are being released have been tested
[09:18] <Kamion> but mdz was clear earlier that we weren't to release untested images
[09:18] <JaneW> Kamion: understood
[09:19] <Kamion> Riddell: what's the status of Kubuntu DVDs?
[09:19] <Kamion> (I lost track)
[09:19] <Kamion> Ubuntu DVDs published, heading towards cdimage
[09:19] <Riddell> Kamion: i386 good, amd64 reported good and another report on its way, powerpc just about to burn
[09:21] <Kamion> Riddell: thanks
[09:22] <Kamion> we can publish that lot if powerpc works ok (preferably in both install and live modes), then
[09:22] <Riddell> US kubuntu mirror has been in a state of limbo for the last hour
[09:23] <Kamion> yeah, there's apparently a mirroring problem there
[09:23] <Kamion> I think it's trying to take the new files before removing old files
[09:24] <Kamion> and must be on the edge of its disk space limits
[09:24] <Kamion> I can't do anything about it from here; likely any attempt I make would just make it worse
[09:25] <elmo> we can't fix it
[09:25] <JaneW> Anyone who is willing to proof read the Edubuntu Announcement please take a look -> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuReleaseAnnouncement
[09:25] <Kamion> it seems to have removed the DVD images, so it must have been pretty close beforehand too
[09:25] <elmo> there's another (non-Ubuntu) projcet eating all the space, so even if we free up some, it'll just get used up before we can mirror it
[09:25] <elmo> I've pinged the local admin, but it's a bad time timewise
[09:25] <carthik> JaneW, "Edubuntu is as a version "
[09:26] <Riddell> JaneW: s/Edubuntu Release /Edubuntu release, /
[09:26] <carthik> JaneW, "knowledge and skill will be able" "knowledge and skill should be able"
[09:26] <Kamion> JaneW: "Educational specific applications" -> "Education-specific applications", I think
[09:26] <JaneW> k
[09:27] <Kamion> "a writing speed" -> "A writing speed"
[09:27] <Riddell> s/Basically//  not a word to be used in formal writing
[09:28] <carthik> JaneW, " default with as less questions as possible" ->  "default with as few questions as possible"
[09:28] <pitti> elmo: is uploading to breezy-updates ok? I need to bump the mozilla version number to be higher than hoary-security
[09:28] <carthik> JaneW, capitalize "Ubuntu" "Breezy", "Badger"
[09:29] <elmo> pitti: you can do - it's untested tho, might break
[09:29] <pitti> elmo: and -security? I need to do an update today
[09:29] <infinity> pitti : Err, what?
[09:29] <infinity> pitti : 2:1.7.12-0ubuntu2 >> 2:1.7.12-0ubuntu05.04
[09:31] <pitti> infinity: unfortunately dpkg has its own idea about that
[09:31] <pitti> infinity: breezy is really smaller
[09:31] <Kamion> "bootprompt" -> "boot prompt"
[09:32] <elmo> pitti: same deal - untested, may break
[09:32] <Kamion> infinity: 2 < 05 - numeric parts are compared numerically
[09:32] <infinity> pitti : Erk, crap.
[09:32] <elmo> of course we need to find that out one way or anothr, or so
[09:32] <sabdfl> JaneW: i'll give it a once-over when you're done editing there
[09:32] <sabdfl> ping me then, please
[09:32] <pitti> elmo: ok, I uploaded b-updates; let's see how it goes
[09:32] <infinity> pitti : In that case, I need to update thunderbird as well.
[09:33] <JaneW> thanks guys
[09:33] <infinity> pitti : Are you just bumping mozilla to 05.10?
[09:33] <JaneW> sabdfl: just saving
[09:34] <JaneW> sabdfl: done. go ahead
[09:34] <infinity> Kamion : Yeah, I thought all bets were off as soon as letters got involved, I didn't realise it split the string and did the numeric bits on their own.. :/
[09:36] <Kamion> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version, although I realise it's a bit late now
[09:36] <Kamion> Then the initial part of the remainder of each string which consists entirely of digit characters is determined. The numerical values of these two parts are compared, and any difference found is returned as the result of the comparison.
[09:36] <infinity> pitti : I'll have to do enigmail as well.  If we'd had one more upload, I wouldn't. ;)
[09:36] <infinity> pitti : -0ubuntu05.04.2 versus -0ubuntu5  <bang head on desk>
[09:37] <infinity> Kamion : Thanks for the pointer.  The versions seemed lexically okay to me, so I didn't even bother with a --compare-versions.  Go me.
[09:37] <Kamion> ubuntu-server/amd64 pass
[09:38] <pitti> infinity: same problem for mozilla-thunderbird
[09:39] <infinity> pitti : Yes, already mentioned above.
[09:39] <infinity> pitti : I'm uploading both, unless you already did one...
[09:39] <pitti> infinity: I called it -1ubuntu1
[09:39] <pitti> infinity: no, I only did mozilla; thanks
[09:39] <infinity> For mozilla?
[09:40] <pitti> infinity: but don't you need mozilla in the archive to build enigmail?
[09:40] <infinity> I'm going with -0ubuntu05.10, for pure consistency.
[09:40] <elmo> shit, wait
[09:40] <elmo> shit shit
[09:40] <infinity> pitti : It is in the archive.
[09:40] <infinity> pitti : The build-dep isn't THAT strict, dude. :)
[09:40] <pitti> ok
[09:40] <pitti> elmo: did it break something?
[09:40] <Kamion> so, I suppose I'd better start doing edubuntu testing, sigh
[09:42] <crimsun> sanxiyn: that's MOM, which we KNOW is generating bad patches. See the topic in /t
[09:42] <crimsun> err, sorry
[09:43] <elmo> pitti: no, I caught it
[09:43] <infinity> elmo : Good to go for a nother pair of uploads, then?
[09:44] <elmo> for -updates yes
[09:44] <elmo> don't try and do any security yet
[09:45] <pitti> elmo: ok; I still have to prepare the packages anyway and I can start with warty and hoary
[09:47] <infinity> Okay, enigmail and tbird uploaded.
[09:47] <infinity> Firefox used a different numbering scheme, so it's okay.  And I assume we have no other such version issues?
[09:47] <pitti> right
[09:47] <elmo> okay -security should be good to go now too
[09:48] <pitti> these were the only upstream updates
[09:48] <pitti> elmo: great, thanks
[09:49] <elmo> pitti: please try it with one upload first tho, and make sure it goes all the way through the process correctly
[09:49] <pitti> elmo: but I still can release warty, hoary, and breezy together?
[09:49] <elmo> uh?
[09:49] <elmo> not from the same source package no?
[09:50] <infinity> No, but from the same amber run, I assume he meant.  And yes, of course.
[09:50] <elmo> if you mean amber them together, yes, normally.  however until we've verified it works, I'd prefer if you amber breezy separately
[09:50] <pitti> elmo: ah, that's what I meant
[09:50] <pitti> elmo: yes, no problem
[09:53] <sadleder> hi Kamion, i have a problem with openssh-client on Debian unstable. when using sitecopy with sftp, it stalles on connect, but manual sftp works fine.
[09:53] <sadleder> ... ah, and my setup has worked for some years before.
[09:54] <smurf> sadleder: -EWRONGCHANNEL
[09:54] <Kamion> I'd prefer you filed a bug anyway
[09:55] <Kamion> I tend to need ssh -vvv output and that sort of thing, which is a bit verbose for IRC :)
[09:55] <Kamion> sadleder: plus I've been awake for about 24 hours and not in the best condition for debugging openssh right now :-)
[09:56] <sadleder> Kamion: sure, i just didn't know how to track that problem down myself.
[09:56] <dholbach> Kamion: you did an awesome job
[09:56] <Kamion> sadleder: I'd start by getting sitecopy to run sftp with -vvv for extra debugging
[09:56] <Kamion> dholbach: thank you
[09:57] <sadleder> Kamion: ok, i'll try that
[09:58] <maswan> elmo: yes?
[09:59] <elmo> maswan: you're syncing super slowly from us - is everything ok on your end, AFAYK?
[10:01] <Kaloz> Kamion: i'm just mirroring the stuff as I did with hoary. when it's done, can you post it as an unofficial mirror for hungary?
[10:03] <maswan> elmo: that's weird slow
[10:03] <elmo> yeah
[10:03] <elmo> you've got the machine to yourself at this end, other hosts are syncing off it ok, and I'm sure we've got enough outgoing BW still
[10:04] <maswan> I'm going to break and restart it
[10:04] <Kamion> Kaloz: if you give me the URL I'll add it to /download/, sure
[10:04] <Kamion> though you really ought to mail mirrors@canonical.com instead / as well
[10:05] <Kaloz> it will be http://dune.hu/ubuntu-releases, as hoary was
[10:05] <Kamion> and add yourself to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[10:05] <Kaloz> well, i'm still planning to set up a full, official mirror btw
[10:05] <Kamion> Kaloz: ok, that's easy, I can just copy your entry from hoary when your mirror's done
[10:06] <maswan> oh, damn. now I know.
[10:06] <maswan> http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/monitordata/index.html.en
[10:06] <maswan> the cluster is running flat out
[10:06] <Lathiat> haha
[10:06] <maswan> so the rsync will have to wait for disk etc
[10:06] <Kamion> I didn't know your cluster had a flat out
[10:07] <elmo> maswan: hmm, ok - but even before we broke your cluster, it was going pretty slowly
[10:07] <elmo> as in 10Mbit or less
[10:07] <maswan> elmo: can I hit symcproxy with two more hosts?
[10:07] <HiddenWolf> maswan, nice server names. :)
[10:07] <elmo> maswan: hit it with whatever you like
[10:08] <maswan> ok
[10:08] <Lathiat> maswan: goign to deploy the emergency mirror hosts again? :)
[10:08] <maswan> Lathiat: yes
[10:09] <Lathiat> maswan: so what did you pick up in may that like douled your traffic?
[10:10] <Lathiat> mmm, more april
[10:10] <maswan> sarge?
[10:10] <maswan> april? hoary?
[10:11] <Lathiat> nah i mean like consistently, not just release time
[10:11] <Lathiat> or do they really make that much of a difference?
[10:11] <xhaker> dayly 12.2 install i386 = final install ?
[10:11] <maswan> ah, well, ubuntu and star wars-revelations dvd isos
[10:11] <xhaker> md5sum match
[10:12] <Lathiat> maswan: ah ok
[10:12] <maswan> meeting... :/
[10:12] <xhaker> Lathiat... am i right?
[10:14] <highvoltage> hno73: can you join edubuntu as well please?
[10:16] <hno73> highvoltage: yep :)
[10:17] <highvoltage> :)
[10:19] <Kinnison> Can someone on the ubuntu-devel mailing list confirm whether or not a posting from daniel.silverstone@canonical.com about dapper got through?
[10:20] <makx> hello jbailey asked me to test amd64 breezy images
[10:20] <makx> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyTestPlan
[10:20] <smurf> Kinnison: looks like it didn't
[10:20] <Kinnison> smurf: Okay, I'll send a new one from my home address as soon as my subscription is processed
[10:21] <makx> 20051011 worked on hp proliant 385
[10:21] <Riddell> Kamion: I've had a second good report on kubuntu amd64 dvd and powerpc dvd is working for me so we're good to go
[10:22] <makx> minor glitches:
[10:22] <makx> * switching terminal while usplash don't get you back to usplash
[10:23] <infinity> makx : You're a bit late, we released already. :)
[10:23] <makx> hehe ok cool.
[10:24] <makx> anyway just let you know.
[10:24] <makx> * live didn't recognize swap on cciss partitions.
[10:24] <infinity> elmo : Those uploads don't appear to have ever made it into wanna-build
[10:24] <makx> infinity: that's all.
[10:25] <makx> anyway recieved that nice babe yesterday, soo... :)
[10:25] <makx> good luck guys!!!
[10:29] <pitti> sivang: ping
[10:29] <Kinnison> hey silbs
[10:30] <Riddell> hmm, se.releases hasn't updated for kubuntu either
[10:30] <crimsun> Riddell: known issue
[10:31] <\sh> Riddell: hu
[10:31] <Riddell> morning \sh 
[10:31] <\sh> Riddell: I just read ubw...i hope u never brought this konqui settings into main ,)
[10:31] <JaneW> night Riddell 
[10:32] <\sh> MORNING FREE WORLD HAPPY BADGER DAY
[10:32] <highvoltage> yippee!!1
[10:32] <Riddell> which setting?
[10:32] <highvoltage> \sh: ^5
[10:32] <Lathiat> \sh++
[10:33] <\sh> Riddell: kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts
[10:33] <\sh> hehe..is ubuntu out?
[10:33] <fabbione> \sh: /topic my friend
[10:33] <infinity> \sh : According to ubuntu-announce, yes.
[10:33] <Lathiat> yes
[10:33] <Lathiat> Riddell: did konsole get fixed?
[10:33] <Riddell> Lathiat: no
[10:33] <Lathiat> err :\ thats a nasty bug
[10:33] <\sh> well...then my dream was no dream :)
[10:34] <Riddell> Lathiat: -updates.  soon
[10:34] <Riddell> \sh: I'm off to bed, I need you to keep poking people randomly until the kubuntu DVDs get on the release server and everything is mirrored
[10:34] <Lathiat> ya
[10:34] <\sh> Riddell: k...
[10:34] <Riddell> night JaneW 
[10:35] <\sh> Riddell: sleep well :) and have nice dreams :)
[10:36] <dholbach> Riddell: sleep tight... you deserve the sleep now :)
[10:39] <\sh> ogra: Congrats to Edubuntu :) and u too sleep as well in peace :)
[10:41] <maswan> finally end of meeting, now I can fix stuff.
[10:46] <HiddenWolf> How are the servers holding up?
[10:48] <maswan> elmo: something is broken, I'm rsyncing syncproxy -> test5 now, and still getting pathetic rates. test5 does nothing else.
[10:49] <Mithrandir> maswan: you've used up the university quota, so you're down to ISDN speed now. :-P
[10:49] <fabbione> lol
[10:50] <maswan> Mithrandir: I managed to get the amd64 install iso from ftp.heanet.ie at 20M/s
[10:51] <dredg> 10mins walk
[10:51] <dredg> far far longer in terms of routing
[10:52] <sabdfl> (09:52:49) sabdfl: elmo: i've updated the download page mirror lists
[10:52] <sabdfl> (09:52:58) sabdfl: separating those that have the final from those that are still showing RC
[10:53] <sabdfl> also,  removing references to Hoary
[10:53] <sabdfl> at least, when plone is ready to ack all of this
[10:53] <sabdfl> also, i've started linking directly to the 5.10 directory at each of the mirrors
[10:53] <sabdfl> it should be easy during the course of the day, as the mirrors come on stream, to move them from the "still have RC" to the "have the final" lists
[10:54] <\sh> sabdfl: happy badger to you too :) and congrats to have 3 new babies ;)
[10:54] <sabdfl> JaneW: how do i edit that edubuntu announcement?
[10:55] <sabdfl> i don't see a login link, or an edit one
[10:55] <sabdfl> \sh: thanks a lot for your help in the delivery room!
[10:55] <infinity> Login is right above the search box.
[10:55] <\sh> sabdfl: thx :) 
[10:55] <JaneW> sabdfl: there should be one, they did move the page earlier, are you looking at http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuReleaseAnnouncement ?
[10:57] <sabdfl> JaneW: nevermindiamanidiot
[10:58] <sabdfl> oh
[10:58] <sabdfl> JaneW: why did the edubuntu wiki just lose its theme?
[10:59] <JaneW> sabdfl: JaneW hno73: I was just wondering if it is possible that the edubuntu wiki skin be triggered when accessing the edubuntu wiki through the edubuntu site? It seems to have to set the skin manually and then all ubuntu wiki pages use that skin....
[10:59] <JaneW> hno73 JaneW: I think the way it works is that if you are logged in you can pick your own skin, irrespective of what URL you are surfing on
[10:59] <JaneW> hno73 if you are logged out you get the edubuntu skin on wiki.edubuntu.org
[10:59] <JaneW> hno73 so new users comming in through edubuntu will get the new skin
[10:59] <JaneW> hno73 try it in a browser that is not your default (like konq)
[10:59] <JaneW> hno73 and you'll see how new users see it
[10:59] <\sh> JaneW: and wow...the edubuntu new launched website..looks *great*...I'll ring my son today :) I think he will like it, too
[10:59] <JaneW> \sh: :)
[11:00] <highvoltage> \sh: i am pleased to announce that we have found the first easter egg on the edubuntu website :)
[11:00] <maswan> elmo: you sure you're not exhausting all your bandwidth?
[11:01] <hno73> It's all one big happy wiki now :)  The skin depends on your user pref if you are logged in or the URL if not
[11:01] <\sh> highvoltage: which is? :) will a child find it? ;)
[11:01] <highvoltage> i /msg'd it to you :)
[11:02] <JaneW> \sh: highvoltage and hno73 are to thank for our cool site and new wiki look :))
[11:03] <sabdfl> JaneW: ok, i've made my (small) changes
[11:04] <\sh> highvoltage / hno73: this design rocks :) nice icons and very usable design :)
[11:04] <Treenaks> have you seen all the fridges on the planet? :)
[11:05] <hno73> \sh: yepp the gartoon icons are quite cool :)
[11:05] <JaneW> sabdfl: great, thank-you. So can we send it out once ogra has confirmed that all images are fully tested and ready to roll?
[11:05] <jordi> JaneW: I love this screenshot :D
[11:05] <sabdfl> elmo: is that bandwidth topping off because of our equipment?
[11:05] <jordi> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuScreenShots?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=t_khangman.png
[11:06] <JaneW> jordi: yes it seems that's highvoltage's easter egg
[11:06] <highvoltage> accidental easter egg, but brilliant nontheless.
[11:06] <JaneW> jordi: it was unintentional though and if it is offensive we may need to remove it...
[11:06] <JaneW> :)
[11:07] <jordi> heh
[11:07] <JaneW> I think it's funny though
[11:07] <jordi> me too :)
[11:09] <jsgotangco> haha
[11:15] <moyogo> i keep getting /usr/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so: undefined reference to `pango_fc_font_create_metrics_for_context' when I try to compile something requiring ligpango
[11:15] <moyogo> libpango*
[11:16] <infinity> That's what pkgconfig is for.
[11:17] <infinity> (I'm pretty sure that was fixed months ago, anyway)
[11:17] <infinity> moyogo : Which architecture.
[11:17] <moyogo> x86
[11:19] <infinity> moyogo : Are you using pkg-config, or just doing -lpangocairo manually?
[11:19] <moyogo> i'm using what's there, pkg-config
[11:20] <moyogo> i tried compiling libwnck or marlin and i get this error
[11:21] <infinity> moyogo : Looks like you want -lpangoft2-1.0
[11:22] <infinity> moyogo : Not sure why pangocairo doesn't "require" it in pkg-config, but too late now for breezy. :/
[11:22] <moyogo> how do i fix this here?
[11:23] <seb128> infinity: why the cairo version would require ft2?
[11:23] <seb128> moyogo: what is the bug? Do you have your source example somewhere?
[11:23] <infinity> seb128 : Because pangocairo has a reference to pango_fc_font_create_metrics_for_context, which is provided by pangoft2-1.0
[11:23] <moyogo> seb128: marlin or libwnck from cvs
[11:23] <seb128> moyogo: do you use jhbuild or something?
[11:24] <moyogo> no
[11:24] <moyogo> just the ubuntu dev packages
[11:24] <seb128> an ./autogen.sh && make ?
[11:24] <moyogo> yes
[11:25] <seb128> lemme try
[11:26] <moyogo> thanks a lot
[11:26] <dholbach> hey seb :)
[11:26] <seb128> hi dholbach
[11:27] <dholbach> happy badger-day :)
[11:27] <infinity> seb128 :
[11:27] <seb128> you too
[11:27] <infinity> (breezy)root@cthulhu:/usr/lib # for i in libpangocairo-1.0.so libpangoft2-1.0.so; do echo $i; nm -D $i | grep pango_fc_font_create_metrics_for_context; done
[11:27] <infinity> libpangocairo-1.0.so
[11:27] <infinity>          U pango_fc_font_create_metrics_for_context
[11:27] <infinity> libpangoft2-1.0.so
[11:27] <infinity> 00004bfc T pango_fc_font_create_metrics_for_context
[11:27] <infinity> seb128 : It's fairly obviously a bug to me, though odd that we never tripped on it.
[11:27] <seb128> infinity: yeah, I've nm -D them too
[11:27] <seb128> infinity: pangocairo require pango
[11:27] <infinity> Yes, but pango doesn't define that symbol.
[11:28] <infinity> And pango doesn't require pangoft2
[11:28] <moyogo> sorry i didn't report this earlier
[11:28] <infinity> (And it shouldn't anyway, since pangocairo is the only other lib with an undefined reference to that symbol)
[11:28] <seb128> I'm not convinced that's a bug
[11:29] <seb128> they do some weird stuff with pango to pick the variant (x/xft/cairo/...)
[11:29] <infinity> pango doesn't need pangoft2, but pangocairo appears to.
[11:29] <infinity> No other pango lib needs it.
[11:29] <poningru> hi
[11:29] <moyogo> make on marlin also errs : /usr/local//lib/libpangox-1.0.so.0: undefined reference to `_pango_engine_shape_covers'
[11:29] <poningru> I was asked to come back after 5.10 was released with a bunch of question
[11:29] <poningru> s
[11:30] <poningru> first where in the US is the repos mirror?
[11:30] <maswan> heh, I almost flatten the gigE on the first redirect host, just from i386 install isos. :)
[11:30] <poningru> second how big is a repos mirror?
[11:30] <fabbione> maswan: ehehe
[11:30] <seb128> moyogo: pango current CVS builds fine here
[11:30] <maswan> 75M/s
[11:31] <moyogo> seb128: yes pango build alright here too
[11:31] <maswan> and I _just_ started the redirects too
[11:31] <poningru> I was thinking about asking my uni to host the repos
[11:31] <maswan> half an hour ago or so
[11:31] <maswan> now lunch. back for more hacking in a bit
[11:31] <alisher> hi, does everybody know, how to contact shipit on xchat
[11:31] <infinity> seb128 : Try libwnck CVS against breezy pango.
[11:31] <Treenaks> alisher: shipit on xchat?!
[11:31] <Treenaks> alisher: shipit is a web page..
[11:31] <seb128> infinity: it's downloading
[11:32] <moyogo> infinity, seb128: i tried with breezy pango and cvs pango, same errors for libwnck or marlin
[11:32] <alisher> somebody who knows how shipit works
[11:32] <highvoltage> alisher: you mean, you want to order cd's via irc?
[11:32] <alisher> I ordered Breezy just some days after database opened
[11:32] <poningru> anyone?
[11:33] <seb128> infinity, moyogo: libwnck built fine
[11:33] <alisher> Now me and some friend both have a message
[11:33] <highvoltage> alisher: you can order cd's at shipit.ubuntu.com, and it will be delivered for free.
[11:33] <alisher> 2005-09-22: 15 CDs (sent to shipping company)
[11:33] <alisher> is it a mistake, or they are still shipping hoary, though i ordered breezy
[11:33] <moyogo> seb128: ... my breezy is broken then...
[11:34] <seb128> moyogo: since nobody else has the issue I'm tempted to say you borked it by installing stuff by hand :p
[11:34] <alisher> it is ok to me, if i still get breezy later, but is a wasting, since what will i do with these cds
[11:35] <poningru> so no one here knows about ubuntu repos mirror?
[11:35] <moyogo> seb128: i had cleans debs for either tho'... rrr... how can i fix this?
[11:35] <fabbione> poningru: it's all on the wiki
[11:35] <poningru> ?
[11:35] <fabbione> poningru: just look there
[11:35] <fabbione> poningru: wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:35] <seb128> moyogo: clean debs of what?
[11:35] <fabbione> search for mirrors
[11:35] <poningru> my searching didnt give any details apart from an email address
[11:36] <alisher> thk you highvoltage, i laready run ubuntu for a while, just wanna know is any problem with the shipit database, or they still ship hoary
[11:36] <moyogo> seb128: well, maybe not so clean, debs of pango, one with a patch and cvs stuff, and breezy's
[11:37] <poningru> fabbione: ?
[11:37] <poningru> bazlocal mirrors?
[11:38] <fabbione> poningru: hold on a sec
[11:38] <poningru> k
[11:39] <fabbione> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/mirror/view?searchterm=mirror
[11:39] <seb128> moyogo: marlin CVS builds fine here
[11:40] <seb128> jdub: around?
[11:40] <poningru> fabbione: ic
[11:41] <moyogo> seb128: thanks
[11:44] <poningru> fabbione: do you know how big the package mirror is? I can see the bandwidth usage but not how much it would take up
[11:45] <fabbione> poningru: the archive is about 80G more or less
[11:45] <fabbione> poningru: i don't know the release site
[11:51] <seb128> moyogo: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318750
[11:57] <maswan> In: 2826.78kB/s   Out: 116543.31kB/s   In: 2946.15kB/s   Out: 121231.41kB/s
[11:57] <pitti> wow - that's what I call bandwidth :-)
[11:58] <maswan> http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/monitordata/index.html.en
[11:58] <maswan> the normal ftp cluster
[11:58] <maswan> http://farbror.acc.umu.se/stats/monitordata/index.shtml
[11:59] <smurf> maswan: your dfinition of "normal" doesn't quite match mine then
[11:59] <maswan> farbror (cdimage.d.o) and the offload host
[11:59] <maswan> I'm going to start spreading the load a bit to the other offload host too
[11:59] <moyogo> seb128: thanks, i'll follow the bug
[12:00] <seb128> moyogo: np
[12:06] <sabdfl> thats.... wow.
[12:07] <sabdfl> blinkenlights
[12:14] <dredg> heanet also have a status page at http://ftp.heanet.ie/status/ for anyone interested
[12:22] <Diziet> I really need to find a way to persuade jigdo not to want to md5sum the whole of my local mirror each time.
[12:30] <Diziet> I need an IRC client with timestamps, too.
[12:30] <Diziet> janew: ping
[12:31] <Diziet> The EdubuntuReleaseAnnouncement uses the word `distro' which is not correct formal English :-).
[12:37] <pitti> infinity: openssl breezy-security is not built; is this a katie or buildd problem?
[12:37] <pitti> elmo: ^
[12:37] <Diziet> What on earth is jigdo doing ?  I could have downloaded half the image by now.
[12:39] <pitti> Diziet: I have used jigdo for a year now without any problem - what do you try to do?
[12:39] <fabbione> Diziet: what did you manage to break today? ;)
[12:41] <pitti> Diziet: and why do you want jigdo to md5sum your mirror? do you *create* a jigdo file, or use one to download a CD?
[12:41] <Diziet> I'm trying to get jigdo-file to build an image.
[12:41] <Diziet> I _don't_ want it to md5sum my mirror; it's just decided to do that by itself.
[12:42] <pitti> Diziet: jigdo-lite http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/breezy-install-amd64.jigdo works just fine for me
[12:42] <pitti> Diziet: I usually tell it to scan the old image and /var/cache/apt/archives to speed up downloading, but that works fast (some seconds)
[12:43] <Diziet> I don't have an old image lying around.
[12:43] <fabbione> Diziet: use jigdo-lite
[12:43] <\sh> anything new on kubuntu dvd front? riddell told me to poke around a little ;)
[12:43] <pitti> well, scanning apt's cache should still help :-)
[12:43] <Diziet> Sorry, when I said `jigdo-file' I meant `jigdo-lite'.
[12:43] <fabbione> i am off
[12:44] <fabbione> later
[12:44] <sabdfl> pitti: thanks for the langpack update
[12:44] <\sh> cu fabbione :)
[12:44] <pitti> Hi sabdfl 
[12:44] <Diziet> It wants to scan my whole mirror.  Which is very annoying, as my mirror is just a bunch of hardlinks to files whose canonical name is /export/mirror/Repository/data-md5/<md5sum-in-hex>
[12:44] <pitti> sabdfl: no problem, sorry for the delay
[12:44] <pitti> Diziet: ah, sure, if you ask it to scan that directory, it will :-)
[12:45] <Kamion> \sh: I missed Riddell's comment earlier that powerpc DVDs were working; I'll start publishing them now
[12:45] <Diziet> Oh, I just need to not tell it to scan it.
[12:45] <\sh> Kamion: rock :) so he'll be lucky when he'll wake up :)
[12:45] <segfault> Morning guys.
[12:46] <sabdfl> pitti: no problem. please work with carlos to try to get it 100% asap
[12:46] <pitti> sure
[12:46] <Diziet> Kamion: I have a question about BreezyTestPlan: `Hoary updates, from CD' suggests updating to hoary-updates but not hoary-security.  Is that really right ?
[12:46] <maswan> whee, getting close to those magical 2Gbit/s now
[12:47] <Diziet> I tried doing a hoary install in Dutch but (probably because I let it download language updates) it was already updated to hoary-security by the time the install had finished.
[12:47] <maswan> ~235MByte/s now
[12:48] <\sh> hmmm...
[12:48] <\sh> 28k for updating packages list
[12:49] <Kamion> Diziet: from the look of the table it appears to be deliberate; installs constructed by hand starting with debootstrap, or installs in which you answer "no" to "Download software from the Internet?" (expert mode) or boot with 'install apt-setup/network-updates=false' should avoid that
[12:50] <Kamion> but I don't think it's a critical test case, merely nice-to-have
[12:50] <maswan> \sh: we're trying to offload the isos to other hosts, but it takes a bit of time.
[12:51] <maswan> \sh: If I had gotten an exact time for the release a couple of days ahead, it woudl have been easier. :)
[12:51] <Kamion> I think we've *probably* caught most of the problems with the other upgrade cases
[12:52] <highvoltage> chmj: JaneW said she's going to bake an edubuntu cake, please help me put some pressure on her to keep to that ;)
[12:52] <tseng> nag her to update the cakes status on the wiki
[12:52] <tseng> does she have all the ingredients?
[12:53] <highvoltage> hehe. i would hope so.
[12:53] <ogra> highvoltage, that wont happen if i dont find a amd64 tester ... 
[12:53] <ogra> morning all
[12:53] <highvoltage> well, at least her cake would be under a CC license, if it's on the wiki. then we can adapt it for ubuntu and kubuntu too ;)
[12:54] <\sh> maswan: no problem for me..I know the good old times, when someone could whistle the software through the phone ,)
[12:54] <\sh> ogra: happy badger edubuntu day :) congrats friend :)
[12:54] <Kamion> the Breezy installer is more careful about trying not to upgrade from the network during installation
[12:54] <ogra> \sh, for what ? i have no release yet
[12:55] <maswan> \sh: I'd like to see the guy that would whistle a full dvd iso, without bit errors. ;)
[12:55] <ogra> i urgently need to find a amd64 tester 
[12:55] <\sh> ogra: well...the edubuntu.org site is much better then a silver cd ,)
[12:55] <highvoltage> anyone here with lots of bandwidth and an amd64?
[12:55] <highvoltage> ooh, ogra beat me.
[12:55] <\sh> maswan: hehe...
[12:55] <TMM> hey! congratulations on the release!
[12:55] <Kamion> ogra: I've got the amd64 CD ready to test (at least partially), but the DVD will take longer
[12:55] <TMM> and, thanks! :)
[12:56] <Kamion> ogra: you can release the CDs first and then the DVDs later
[12:56] <ogra> Kamion, mdz said so... then i'll buy a new DVD writer today, i have the x86 image here now
[12:56] <ogra> Kamion, oh, i thought you'd do ppc...
[12:56] <chmj> highvoltage: sure 
[12:57] <chmj> highvoltage: she suppose to bake it today ? 
[12:57] <ogra> ok, request change: **** i ugerntly need a ppc tester for the edubuntu CD *** !!
[12:57] <ogra> *urgently
[12:57] <Kamion> ogra: can do as well; that's downloading as I speak
[12:57] <highvoltage> chmj: she said she'll do it after 3pm today.
[12:57] <ogra> Kamion, bah, when shall i ever pay you back ? 
[12:57] <highvoltage> ogra: make it the topic ;)
[12:58] <Kamion> will take longer though, and I'm half-asleep; other testers would help a lot
[12:58] <highvoltage> oh, nevermind. no one ever reads the topic.
[12:58] <ogra> highvoltage, that Kamion is our best tester ? 
[12:58] <ogra> Kamion, i'll ping the world...
[12:58] <highvoltage> ogra: the 'we need a tester part', cool that he's testing
[12:58] <highvoltage> Kamion++
[12:58] <ajmitch> ogra: what testing is needed?
[12:59] <ajmitch> ogra: I've got an old iMac & a slow DSL line here :)
[12:59] <ogra> ajmitch, install test, all three variants (defaut, server and workstation)
[01:01] <mvo> ogra: gosh, cdimage.u.c gives me only ~60k/s (just started to download the image)
[01:01] <ogra> ajmitch, i'd pay you any overquota ;) but i guess you get locked if you reach it, right ? 
[01:02] <ajmitch> ogra: I'll end up getting shaped to 64Kbps
[01:02] <ajmitch> which will be really painful ;)
[01:02] <ogra> mvo, damned ...
[01:02] <mvo> ogra: this is going to take a bit, I usually get 240k/s
[01:03] <ajmitch> mvo: I'm getting 4K/sec
[01:03] <ogra> mvo, anything we can poke \sh to do with your line ? 
[01:03] <ajmitch> no, it's up to 8K already
[01:03] <ogra> :
[01:03] <ogra> )
[01:03] <ajmitch> ogra: at this rate it'll take me 24h to download :)
[01:03] <ogra> damned
[01:04] <mvo> ogra: don't know, maybe I can be part of the 6mbit test-customers team ;)
[01:04] <maswan> Ok, the netmasters have told us that we're doing 1.93Gbit/s out of our theoretical 2Gbit/s. breezy goodness to the world!
[01:05] <ajmitch> ogra: sorry I can't help again :-/
[01:05] <ogra> ajmitch, its ok, i understand
[01:06] <\sh> mvo: what config do u have 5mbit or 2?
[01:06] <Kamion> FWIW, rsyncing the Edubuntu install CD starting from a copy of the Ubuntu install CD yields a reasonable speedup
[01:06] <mvo> \sh: 2
[01:06] <Kamion> 4.60* for amd64
[01:06] <Kamion> maswan: impressive
[01:07] <ajmitch> Kamion: rsync tend to go at about 4K/sec even on a good day for me
[01:07] <\sh> mvo: i can try to call henning to update your , or better your neighbors config
[01:07] <\sh> mvo: temporarily
[01:08] <\sh> mvo: can u get me the customer number of your neighbor?
[01:08] <ogra> hmm, 22K from here...
[01:08] <ogra> argh, dropped o 2K
[01:14] <Kamion> Riddell: Kubuntu DVDs published, mirror(ing|ed)
[01:15] <\sh> Kamion: cool :)
[01:16] <Kamion> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/breezy/release/
[01:16] <Kamion> apologies for the slightly weird URL - I'll stick links in from releases.u.c at some point
[01:16] <maswan> load average: 0.04, 0.06, 0.06
[01:16] <maswan> doing 75MByte/s sustained :)
[01:16] <maswan> and same for the other offload host
[01:25] <maswan> how is the DC bandwidth doing?
[01:26] <\sh> Kamion: the http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/5.10/kubuntu-5.10-rc-dvd-i386.iso is the old one?
[01:26] <Znarl> maswan : We'er sitting on 750MBits/sec
[01:27] <Kamion> \sh: yes, I purged that on the master site hours ago, but due to mirroring problems that may not have made it out to mirrors
[01:27] <\sh> Kamion: k
[01:27] <\sh> Kamion: missed the cdimages link 
[01:28] <Kamion> we're not going to distribute DVDs from releases.u.c any longer - not enough disk space on mirrors
[01:32] <maswan> Znarl: ACK. This is full for you? I'm not getting anywhere near good sync bandwidth from syncproxy.u.c, so I'm only partially mirrored over here. :/
[01:33] <Znarl> maswan : Yes, we can go no faster.
[01:34] <maswan> Znarl: oh, well. I guess there will be bandwidth over once europe goes to bed. :)
[01:35] <smurf> maswan: That's going to get worse before it gets better
[01:36] <maswan> smurf: can't really get worse than currently. :)
[01:36] <smurf> Maybe releasing bittorrent a few days before FTP/HTTP would help
[01:37] <highvoltage> smurf: i don't think that's possible, i think lots of stuff were only finished less than an hour before release ;)
[01:37] <Znarl> Well, the per connection speed is dropping, and getting worse.
[01:37] <maswan> Znarl: Ah, you need more bandwidth then. Too bad we don't have much over.
[01:37] <highvoltage> ok, perhaps that's taking it a bit far.
[01:37] <maswan> Talk to ftp.heanet.ie and ask them if they are up for a nice little http-redirect for the i386-install iso?
[01:38] <\sh> http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/ the badger flash song for today :)
[01:39] <smurf> highvoltage: I meant delaying the HTTP release, of course
[01:39] <smurf> my BT seed has plenty of bandwidth left, and I doubt I'm the only one
[01:40] <maswan> smurf: yes, but that means limiting access, which is not as nice. :/
[01:40] <maswan> Znarl: for the future, perhaps trying to reserve 50Mbit/s or so for mirroring might be a good idea?
[01:41] <Znarl> maswan : Yes, we have plans to split our network.
[01:41] <maswan> Znarl: great
[01:42] <smurf> maswan: BT clients are available for everybody who can do HTTP/FTP these days, so I'd call that enabling, not limiting
[01:43] <maswan> smurf: installing specific software is not always an option, bt software is crap in usability compared to the simplicity of http downloads.
[01:43] <Kamion> smurf: it's really horribly fiddly on the cdimage side to release bittorrent before everything else
[01:43] <Kamion> smurf: we did it for DVDs in the past, and it was very awkward - I'd rather avoid it
[01:43] <Kamion> I nearly lost the DVD images by accident
[01:44] <Znarl> Our BT stats are pretty good as is.  Those who can are getting it from BT, it seems.
[01:44] <Robot101> mjg59, Kamion, jdub: lunch?
[01:45] <Kamion> Robot101: maybe. where?
[01:46] <Kamion> hmm, probably not actually
[01:46] <Kamion> still have to sort out edubuntu, and I promised Kirsten she could have my afternoon
[01:46] <Robot101> were pondering kingston, a late lunch wouldn't help?
[01:47] <Kamion> nah, she gets home early from work on Thursdays
[01:47] <Kamion> the idea's appealing but I think I'll pass, too tired anyway really - enjoy yourselves :)
[01:48] <mjg59> Robot101: Subscribe
[01:48] <mjg59> Though I'm not out of bed yet
[01:50] <Diziet> Bizarre.  This Dutch hoary -> breezy upgrade asked me whether I wanted British or American English as my wordlist.
[01:51] <Robot101> mjg59: only just got up myself
[01:51] <zyga> Diziet: did you have language-support-XX for your language?
[01:51] <zyga> if not you didn't have a dictionary available
[01:51] <zyga> hence - no dutch
[01:52] <Kamion> Diziet: you found that before, if you remember
[01:52] <Kamion> we never did get to the bottom of it
[01:52] <Kamion> (although maybe not in a Dutch install - but it'll depend what wordlist packages are installed, anyway)
[01:53] <Diziet> Yes, I was expecting it in an English install.  But in Dutch ?  Bizarre.
[01:53] <Kamion> a non-networked install will only have installed English dictionaries because that's all that's on the CD
[01:53] <Diziet> Ah, that'll be it.
[01:53] <zyga> Diziet: did you have the relevant language pack + support for dutch?
[01:53] <Diziet> No, I said no to getting stuff from the network.
[01:54] <Diziet> Also, this is extremely painful because hoary doesn't detect my video card properly and it's running in around 800x600.
[01:54] <zyga> Diziet: first problem solved ;-)
[01:55] <Diziet> Metacity is _hopeless_ if you don't have enough pixels.  And lots of other things break too.
[01:55] <Diziet> For example, the text on the login screen is unreadable, quite literally.
[01:55] <mvo> yeah, we work not very well in 800x600 :/
[02:00] <ogra> help ! still looking fr amd64 and powerpc testers for edubuntu !
[02:00] <ogra> *for
[02:00] <zyga> ogra: amd64 here
[02:00] <zyga> ogra: howto please
[02:00] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes
[02:00] <ogra> :)
[02:01] <ogra> i need a test of all 3 installs
[02:01] <zyga> ogra: I've got only one box
[02:01] <zyga> ogra: can I manage on a single one?
[02:02] <ogra> zyga, you can do them one by one ...
[02:02] <zyga> k, pullling the iso now
[02:02] <zyga> hmm web is rather sloooow
[02:02] <mvo> ogra: at 34% for i386 here :/
[02:03] <ogra> mvo, x86 is tested
[02:03] <zyga> ogra: does releases.u.c even work?
[02:03] <ogra> nope
[02:03] <ogra> not yet
[02:03] <ogra> damned...
[02:04] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/
[02:04] <ogra> zyga, ^^^
[02:04] <ogra> sorry
[02:04] <zyga> n/p
[02:04] <mvo> ogra: ok, canceld
[02:04] <ogra> mvo, ppc or amd64 would be helpful
[02:04] <maswan> ogra: I'm mirroring, at 20k/s, half-way through kubuntu, then edubuntu... :/
[02:04] <mvo> ogra: I don't have a ppc
[02:04] <Kamion> I'm doing amd64/workstation now
[02:04] <\sh> woooo....just got the information from the tax department....they'll pay me 1800 eur back
[02:05] <\sh> means, i could buy a new digicam for ubz
[02:05] <ajmitch> \sh: great :)
[02:05] <ogra> \sh, congrats
[02:05] <mvo> \sh: what a day, breezy relase and money back! party!
[02:05] <\sh> bad news...it's not on my account yet
[02:05] <zyga> ogra: bugreport already: the torrents/isos should have edubuntu- prefix 
[02:05] <zyga> ;-)
[02:05] <\sh> mvo: yeah :)
[02:06] <ogra> zyga, they'll have once they moved to release...
[02:06] <Robot101> robtaylor, mjg59: lunch at 2pm?
[02:06] <Kamion> zyga: yep, what ogra said, they'll be edubuntu-5.10-*.iso
[02:08] <highvoltage> 1800 euro's that's very nice.
[02:08] <zyga> ogra: okay, less than one hour left
[02:08] <mjg59> Robot101: Sounds good
[02:08] <ogra> zyga, yeah :)
[02:09] <\sh> highvoltage: thats less then last years payback
[02:09] <\sh> highvoltage: but actually my taxsoftware calculated correctly
[02:10] <\sh> but last year i had more travel expenses
[02:13] <thesaltydog> \sh, please tell us how did you reached this target: to have money back from taxes!!!
[02:14] <maswan> thesaltydog: it's simple, pay more than you have to during the year. then you get the extra back, later, perhaps with nominal interest.
[02:15] <thesaltydog> maswan, :-) I usually try to pay less... if allowed
[02:19] <\sh> going back to hibernate mode....sleeping another 2 hours..
[02:20] <mvo> \sh: sleep well
[02:23] <Diziet> OK, I have some infelicities none of which I think are RC but I was wondering if people knew about:
[02:23] <Diziet> * After my hoary->breezy, I logged out.  gdm did not present a new login screen; I just got the text leftover from boot.  C-A-D fixed it.
[02:24] <Diziet> * If you, in order, launch Yelp, ooffice, `About Ubuntu', then `About Ubuntu' doesn't appear on top.
[02:24] <Diziet> * `About Ubuntu' has a logo which is too small for the default window size.
[02:25] <Kamion> Diziet: (it would be too late anyway if they were RC)
[02:26] <Diziet> Oh.
[02:26] <Kamion> that gdm thing seems like the worst
[02:27] <Kamion> hmm, well my first guess was that gdm might be using s-s-d --exec and thus not restarting properly on upgrade, but that doesn't seem to be the case
[02:27] <Diziet> I had that before with some of my earlier hoary->breezy upgrade tests but it went away.
[02:29] <Kamion> it would be interesting to know if there's anything relevant in gdm's log file
[02:29] <Kamion> it seems to keep a few versions of the log, so you may still have the information
[02:31] <Diziet> kamion: Nothing that I can see.
[02:31] <Diziet> I think it didn't even try to run the server.
[02:31] <HiddenWolf_> zyga, knoopix to breezy? what kind of move is that? :P
[02:32] <zyga> HiddenWolf_: a very convulsed one at best
[02:32] <mvo> carlos: do you have a idea about #17559 (beside the fact that markup shouldn't be in po files)?
[02:32] <Kamion> Diziet: another interesting question might be whether /etc/X11/default-display-manager still says /usr/sbin/gdm
[02:32] <Kamion> and whether the upgrade log says "Starting GNOME Display Manager..." or "Not starting GNOME Display Manager (gdm); it is not the default display manager."
[02:32] <zyga> mvo: I may have a clue
[02:33] <zyga> mvo: some time ago there was a bug in rosetta regarding escaping various HTML like syntax 
[02:33] <zyga> mvo: it might be possible that some bogus translations have been comitted
[02:34] <mvo> zyga: ok, thanks
[02:34] <HiddenWolf_> zyga, I'd imagine
[02:34] <HiddenWolf_> zyga, things messed up, or working nicely?
[02:35] <zyga> HiddenWolf_: I initially removed a whole lot of stuff from knoppix that I didn't need
[02:35] <zyga> HiddenWolf_: the rest *did* work and after remastering booted quite nicely
[02:36] <Diziet> /etc/X11/default-display-manager> /usr/sbin/gdm, yes.
[02:37] <Diziet> Strangely /var/log/installer/messages doesn't seem to mention gdm at all.
[02:38] <Diziet> Ah.
[02:39] <Kamion> /var/log/installer/messages is the log from the first stage of the installer
[02:39] <Kamion> it won't mention gdm, indeed
[02:39] <Kamion> ogra: edubuntu/amd64/workstation pass
[02:39] <highvoltage> whohooo!
[02:39] <ogra> yeah !
[02:39] <Diziet> `Setting up gdm ... ....    Reloading GNOME Display Manger configuration.  Changes will take effect when all current X sessions have ended.   invoke-rc.d: initscript gdm, action "reload" failed.'
[02:40] <ogra> Diziet, thats normal
[02:40] <Diziet> It's true that later gdm goes from half-configured to installed.
[02:41] <mvo> pitti: around? do you have a idea about #17646? it might be some sort of langpack problem?
[02:41] <Kamion> all it's doing is sending SIGUSR1 to the process in /var/run/gdm.pid. Why is it failing?
[02:41] <pitti> mvo: moment, please
[02:41] <mvo> pitti: sure, no rush
[02:42] <Diziet> Oh, that's from base-config.log which is the hoary install.
[02:44] <pitti> Hi Yagisan 
[02:44] <Yagisan> G'day pitti
[02:44] <Diziet> daemon.log says   `localhost gdm[5701] : GDM restarting ...      localhost gdm[5701] : Failed to restart self'
[02:45] <Diziet> And the timestamp is between me logging out and rebooting.
[02:45] <Kamion> looks more promising
[02:45] <pitti> infinity, elmo: may I humbly ask again about openssl_0.9.7g-1ubuntu1.1 which does not get built for breezy-security?
[02:45] <ajmitch> evening Yagisan 
[02:45] <Diziet> Shame it didn't tell us _why_ it failed.
[02:45] <Kamion> perhaps gdm fails to Depend on everything it needs?
[02:45] <Diziet> No, because rebooting (and doing nothing else) fixed it.
[02:45] <Kamion> sure, but that would have been after a load of other stuff got configured
[02:45] <Yagisan> G'day ajmitch
[02:45] <Kamion> I'm assuming that gdm was restarted in the middle of a longer upgrade run
[02:46] <BenC> any admins alive that can install a package on concordia for me?
[02:46] <Diziet> No, it seems to have tried to restart exactly when I logged out, which was a minute or two after the upgrade finished.
[02:46] <Kamion> ah
[02:47] <Kamion> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/13/124243&tid=106
[02:48] <pitti> mvo: hm, could that be a bug in the python gettext langpack support patch
[02:48] <sabdfl> Kamion: well spotted
[02:48] <Kamion> say goodbye to DC bandwidth
[02:48] <mvo> pitti: update-notifier/notification-daemon are C
[02:48] <pitti> ah, right
[02:48] <Yagisan> pitti, ajmitch - whats up ? 
[02:48] <Znarl> Those are very bad links on slashdot. :(
[02:48] <pitti> hmm, no idea
[02:48] <ajmitch> Yagisan: not a lot, about ready to sleep
[02:48] <zyga> Kamion: servers - toasted ;-) ?
[02:49] <Kamion> Znarl: at least they're not direct links to the datacentre ... but yes
[02:49] <infinity> Kamion : Can you do me a favour?
[02:49] <Kamion> infinity: yeah?
[02:49] <jdub> GOOD MORNING BREEZY LOVERS!
[02:49] <mvo> pitti: ok, thanks
[02:49] <ajmitch> Kamion: I think DC bandwidth is already toast?
[02:49] <ajmitch> morning jdub 
[02:49] <infinity> Kamion : Have a look in the approval queue, and see if uploads for breezy-{security,updates} are getting hung up there?
[02:49] <Kamion> ajmitch: well, latency at least to jackass is fine
[02:49] <ogra> help * edubuntu still looks for a powerpc tester *
[02:49] <Treenaks> ogra: I'll have a powerpc in a few weeks
[02:49] <Treenaks> ogra: maybe even days
[02:50] <ajmitch> Treenaks: minutes would be better
[02:50] <ogra> Treenaks, great help... :)
[02:50] <Kamion> infinity: they're in accepted, but not listed for approval
[02:50] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I didn't think you needed sleep :-P
[02:50] <ajmitch> ogra: 3% now :)
[02:50] <ajmitch> Yagisan: oh I do :)
[02:50] <ogra> ajmitch, 17 here
[02:50] <pitti> Kamion: the source also appears in my helena, but the debs are not built
[02:50] <Treenaks> ajmitch: sorry, the previous owner needs to wipe the disk, and he's slow :(
[02:50] <desrt> man
[02:50] <desrt> congrats on the release, guys :D
[02:50] <Kamion> pitti: which package exactly?
[02:50] <ajmitch> Treenaks: this is blocking edubuntu release :)
[02:50] <ogra> Treenaks, get it *now* 
[02:50] <pitti> Kamion: openssl_0.9.7g-1ubuntu1.1_source.changes
[02:51] <pitti> Kamion: the source is in accepted/, but the binaries aren't
[02:51] <Kamion> openssl_0.9.7g-1ubuntu1.1_source.changes
[02:51] <Kamion> I: IGNORING -security upload
[02:51] <pitti> Kamion: they are either not built, not not uploaded, no idea
[02:51] <infinity> pitti : That's cause they're not getting into wanna-build./
[02:51] <desrt> pitti; i have a bug that requires your attention 2 days ago :)
[02:51] <pitti> desrt: then we better hurry.. :-)
[02:51] <Kamion> one sec
[02:51] <infinity> pitti : elmo said he'd look into it in the morning, but if it's urgent, maybe Kamion can poke it with a stick.
[02:51] <sabdfl> US mirror is going to love that :-)
[02:51] <desrt> pitti; all gphoto apps crash on powerpc (including the camera import thingy that automatically loads)
[02:51] <desrt> pitti; due to your duplicate filename vendor patch :(
[02:52] <zyga> ogra: edubuntu download suddenly seems to be slow as hell... will test ASAP though
[02:52] <ogra> zyga, thanks...
[02:52] <sabdfl> zyga: slashdot
[02:53] <pitti> desrt: hm, sounds like a good candidate for -updates
[02:53] <desrt> pitti; quite.
[02:53] <Yagisan> Anyone with an 8139too based card want a fun problem ?
[02:53] <Kamion> infinity: hmm, /srv/buildd.no-name-yet.com/trigger.daily has special cases for (warty|hoary)-security but not breezy-security
[02:53] <BenC> Yagisan: I'll bite :)
[02:53] <desrt> pitti; please note: i have no idea if my patch is correct.  it fixes the issue for me but it might not match the intended logic of the original author
[02:54] <pitti> desrt: did you send it to the bug?
[02:54] <Yagisan> BenC: heh - http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9972 - but I think you should have it already
[02:54] <Kamion> infinity: is this FIXNOW priority? touching trigger.daily scares me
[02:54] <pitti> desrt: I neglected my bug mbox for two days now
[02:54] <desrt> pitti; i opened a new one
[02:54] <desrt> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17670
[02:54] <zyga> Yagisan: I've got a card like that but I don't want any problems as it powers my home server ;-) if it can wait a week I'll be glad to help
[02:55] <infinity> Kamion : Ask pitti.  We can certainly wait for -updates, but if he thinks his -security uploads need to go in Yesterday, then...
[02:55] <infinity> pitti : ?
[02:55] <Yagisan> BenC, Zyga - 3 separate 8139too cards (2 8139D, 1 8139C) do that on me
[02:55] <Diziet> Oh, I'm not on ubuntu-announce (!)
[02:55] <pitti> Kamion: no, that openssl issue is not very critical, a delay of one day is fine
[02:55] <Kamion> pitti: I think I see the problem, but I don't know if there are knock-on effects
[02:56] <pitti> Kamion: I can wait for elmo
[02:56] <Kamion> breezy-updates should just work AFAICS
[02:56] <Yagisan> zyga: (It's my firewall/apt-cache that is affected)
[02:56] <infinity> Kamion : But clearly doesn't (unless IT needs approval... Which would make sense)
[02:56] <infinity> Kamion : Anyhow, we'll wait on elmo if pitti's upload isn't urgent.  I just saw him bugging me up there (points) and assumed otherwise. :)
[02:57] <Kamion> elmo: jackass:~cjwatson/trigger.daily.diff seems to be the required change - not applied
[02:58] <Kamion> infinity: they need approval. that I can probably take care of
[02:59] <Kamion> elmo: a helena mode that shows breezy-updates would be nice
[02:59] <BenC> Yagisan: Have you tried those cards on another machine?
[03:01] <Yagisan> BenC: Yes - they work fine and an AMD64 box (in fact I using one now instead of the onboard Gige)
[03:01] <infinity> Yagisan : The 8139too driver should deal with losing interrupts more gracefully (and pcnet32 obviously does, hence your experience), but it's still almost certainly a hardware/firmware bug, exacerbated by a lousy driver.
[03:01] <Kamion> infinity: I've approved mozilla on its own; let's see if that works
[03:01] <Kamion>    mozilla | 2:1.7.12-0ubuntu2 |        breezy | source
[03:01] <Kamion>    mozilla | 2:1.7.12-0ubuntu05.04 | hoary-security | source
[03:01] <infinity> Yagisan : And if it supports "just enough ACPI to make Windows happy", that's a pretty good indication that if we try to route the IRQs wrong, it WILL blow up.
[03:01] <Kamion>    mozilla | 2:1.7.12-1ubuntu1 | breezy-updates | source
[03:01] <BenC> Yagisan: then that proves it is not the driver, but a problem with the machine you are running it on
[03:02] <Yagisan> infinity: In so many cards ? and not showing up in older kernels ?
[03:02] <infinity> Yagisan : It's not the card's fault, it's the BIOS/motherboard.
[03:02] <infinity> Yagisan : And the driver makes it worse.
[03:02] <Yagisan> infinity, BenC: while I know acpi is crap on the board - it is actually disabled
[03:02] <infinity> Yagisan : Other drivers (VIA Rhine comes to mind) have similar issues with losing interrupts on lousy BIOSes.
[03:03] <infinity> Yagisan : Note that ACPI power saving != ACPI PCI routing.  Disabling one usually has no bearing on the other.
[03:03] <Yagisan> infinity - It has no acpi routing
[03:04] <Kamion> ogra: edubuntu/amd64/server pass
[03:04] <Yagisan> infinity, BenC - later tonight I'm putting a P2 233MHz box up to replace it - that will test if it is a BIOS error
[03:04] <ogra> Kamion, yippie :)
[03:05] <Yagisan> infinity, BenC - is there anything else I can try as well ?
[03:05] <infinity> BenC : Do you know, off the top of your head, all the kernel command lines to swap between the 7 billion different PCI routing impementations?
[03:05] <BenC> Yagisan: you need to tell the kernel ACPI is disabled, it is still trying to use it
[03:06] <BenC> infinity: off the top of my head, no
[03:06] <Yagisan> BenC: OK (thankfully I haven't given the pcnet32 back yet)
[03:06] <BenC> Yagisan: I thought you said that you already tested the cards on another machine
[03:06] <mjg59> infinity: documentation/kernel-parameters
[03:07] <BenC> we need a grub menu.lst generator that will allow for testing all kernel workarounds
[03:09] <Yagisan> BenC: yes I have - but still - if the machines is stuffed - I'll need something to replace it with if nothing else works
[03:09] <BenC> Yagisan: I'm just saying, the fact that the cards already work on another machine most definitely shows that the driver is not broken in relation to the cards
[03:10] <Yagisan> BenC - it doesn't seem to handle losing an interrupt well
[03:10] <Yagisan> BenC - I'd have expected the pcnet32 to fail too actually
[03:10] <BenC> that's because generally another interrupt will come along to unbork it
[03:11] <infinity> acpi=off pci=noacpi
[03:11] <Yagisan> BenC - so why doesn't that happen with 8139 ? 
[03:11] <BenC> true, it's not handling it gracefully, but the bios/hardware is still broken
[03:12] <infinity> Yagisan : About half the network drivers in Linux die when they lose interrupts.  While this isn't "graceful", it's also not really their fault.
[03:12] <infinity> I spent months swearing at the via rhine driver until I figured out the real problem. :/
[03:13] <infinity> Others definitely seem more resilient (3c59x, e100/eepro100, pcnet32)
[03:13] <Yagisan> infinity - BenC - I'll test infinitys suggestion in a moment (hence I'll drop out - it is my gateway with the problem)
[03:13] <Kamion> infinity: mozilla should've appeared in w-b for you now
[03:14] <Kamion>   Package             : mozilla
[03:14] <Kamion>   Version             : 2:1.7.12-1ubuntu1
[03:14] <Kamion>   Builder             : buildd+terranova
[03:14] <Kamion>   State               : Building
[03:14] <infinity> Kamion : Yup, it's building.
[03:15] <infinity> Kamion : A tbird and an enigmail to go with that would be swell.  Or do you want to wait until we do a full cycle (binaries uploaded and installed) before we call it good?
[03:15] <Yagisan> infinity, BenC - I just updated grub - I'll be back soon with the results.
[03:15] <Kamion> infinity: I'd rather wait a full cycle with just the one package to make sure it all works
[03:18] <Amaranth> arg this computer doesn't have a cd burner and the library is closed
[03:25] <maswan> Znarl: You could always hack yourself out of DNS for a couple of hours to free up bandwidth. ;)
[03:26] <Znarl> maswan : Really?  Where?
[03:31] <bddebian> Hello
[03:38] <infinity> Kamion : Meh, why did you have to accept the biggest of the three packages? :)
[03:38] <infinity> (Still building)
[03:44] <Yagisan> BenC, infinity - back from torturing my gateway
[03:46] <Yagisan> BenC, infinity - the kernel parameters have worked - so how would that be autodetected in future (for similar boxes ?)
[03:48] <zyga> a solution to ./ crowd = merge canonical with AOL and get cd-pressing factories! :D
[03:48] <Treenaks> zyga: omg
[03:48] <zyga> then get merged with goooogle and dominate the world :)
[03:49] <Kamion> infinity: d'oh
[03:50] <calc> are the mirrors still not updated?
[03:50] <infinity> Kamion : Okay, uploaded on the threee primary arches.
[03:50] <calc> i don't see edubuntu/ubuntu-server/dvds on the mirrors
[03:50] <Kamion> ogra: edubuntu/amd64/default pass; my wife was rather interested watching me play around with it and seemed to quite like the range of educational software (she's a teaching assistant); she wants to know what our interactive whiteboard support is like
[03:50] <Kamion> calc: edubuntu/ubuntu-server aren't published yet
[03:51] <calc> ok
[03:51] <Kamion> calc: dvds are on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/release/, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/breezy/release/ - they don't fit on releases.u.c for disk space reasons
[03:51] <Kamion> calc: I'll put a link in at some point
[03:51] <ogra> Kamion, we dont have any yet... there is no good oss solution to my knowledge yet
[03:51] <zyga> ogra: amd64 keeps failing to download 
[03:51] <calc> Kamion: ok
[03:51] <ogra> zyga, gah
[03:51] <Kamion> ogra: hm :(
[03:51] <seb128> calc: do you plan to fix the menu-xdg duplicate entries bug one day? The BTS has a patch for months 
[03:51] <ogra> Kamion, certainly something on my dapper applist :)
[03:52] <Kamion> ogra: more a kernel/X thing, I imagine?
[03:52] <ogra> Kamion, thanks for the wiki fixes btw :)
[03:52] <Kamion> np
[03:52] <ogra> Kamion, yup
[03:52] <calc> Kamion: not trying to be annoying but the .pool dir has lots of rc files in it still they might fit once that is cleaned out ;)
[03:52] <ogra> there are proprietary linux solutions with binary kernel module
[03:52] <Kamion> calc: they're already removed on the master
[03:52] <calc> ah ok i guess i am looking at the uk mirror then
[03:52] <Kamion> calc: the mirrors are having trouble because rsync is mirroring the new files first, then deal with removals
[03:52] <ogra> but i think it should be possible on a higher layer too... like collaborative editors work
[03:53] <calc> seb128: yea, i er forgot i guess
[03:53] <infinity> Uh oh.
[03:53] <calc> seb128: i'm planning on updating theora hopefully today as well
[03:53] <infinity> Kamion : Can you REJECT those in the next 10 minutes? :0
[03:54] <maswan> we're serving about 1600-1800 downloads of i386-install right now. :)
[03:54] <luis__> congrats
[03:54] <Kamion> infinity: what's wrong with them?
[03:54] <infinity> Kamion : pkgstripstranslations wasn't in the chroot, afaict.
[03:54] <maswan> plus some kubuntu, live, adm64, etc.
[03:54] <infinity> Kamion : Which, I assume, means it will conflict with the langpacks, right?
[03:54] <seb128> calc: cool
[03:54] <infinity> Kamion : Which would be, uhh, bad.
[03:54] <Kamion> infinity: I don't see huge piles of locales in mozilla-browser?
[03:55] <infinity> Kamion : Pure fluke, then.  pkgstriptranslations definitely wasn't there and din't run.
[03:55] <infinity> Kamion : I'd feel more at ease if you reject the binaries and give me a chance to fix up all the chroots. :/
[03:55] <Kinnison> infinity: You're gonna have fun in a day or so when you have to do all new chroots for dapper :-)
[03:55] <Kamion> infinity: can't reject out of accepted, but, um, I'll see if I can temporarily disappear them or something
[03:56] <infinity> Kamion : unaccept, then.
[03:56] <infinity> Kamion : Same difference at that stage.
[03:56] <Nafallo> maswan: is that more or less load than hoary? :-)
[03:56] <infinity> Just so long as they don't hit the pool, (and the changes disappears from queu/done), all is good.
[03:57] <infinity> Kinnison : dapper chroots are easy.  It's fixing up these breezy-{security,updates} chroots that were made 6 months ago and seem a bit.. Wrong... That's the fun right now.
[03:57] <ogra> sigh, still 6h ETA for ppc...
[03:58] <pitti> infinity: no, if packages ship mo files (i. e. unstripped), they won't conflict with langpacks
[03:58] <pitti> infinity: it's just redundancy
[03:58] <pitti> Kamion: ^
[03:58] <infinity> pitti : How does that work?... Do the langpacks install to a different location?
[03:58] <pitti> infinity: /usr/share/locale-langpacks :-)
[03:58] <infinity> Clever.
[03:59] <pitti> infinity: we have a glibc patch that also looks there
[03:59] <infinity> Yeah, obviously.
[03:59] <pitti> infinity: otherwise you could never install a package that you built locally
[03:59] <infinity> Kamion : Okay, forget my panic, but do me a favour and wait for a green light before approving the other two.  I want to freshen up the world.
[03:59] <Yagisan> infinity, BenC - perhaps http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9972 should be reassigned to fails to disable broken acpi ?
[04:00] <pitti> infinity: yes, stripping security updates is a good idea. Thanks for looking at it
[04:00] <Kamion> infinity: I can't see how to unaccept manually, but I've moved them out of the way
[04:00] <Kamion> infinity: does your comment above mean I should move them back?
[04:00] <sabdfl> pitti: are you the postgres package guy?
[04:00] <pitti> sabdfl: yes
[04:00] <sabdfl> psycopg.ProgrammingError: ERROR:  could not open file "/usr/share/postgresql/contrib/english.stop": No such file or directory
[04:00] <infinity> Kamion : If they're moved completely out of the way, I'll rebuild and reupload with the freshened chroots.
[04:00] <sabdfl> on breezy :-/
[04:00] <infinity> Kamion : The comment was more just to save you the trouble.
[04:00] <Kamion> katie@jackass:~/queue/temp-hold/mozilla$ for x in *.deb; do dpkg -c $x | grep usr/share/locale; done
[04:01] <Kamion> katie@jackass:~/queue/temp-hold/mozilla$
[04:01] <infinity> Kamion : But if you've gone to it already, I want t odo it "right".
[04:01] <infinity> Actually, yeah.  Just move 'em back then.
[04:01] <maswan> Nafallo: more, much more. but then, the 1.2Gbit/s peak we managed at hoary was enough to double-port the computer club gigE switch to 2xgigE.
[04:01] <Kamion> infinity: pkgstriptranslations also collects stuff for rosetta, doesn't it?
[04:01] <pitti> sabdfl: that file is now in /usr/share/postgresql/8.0/
[04:01] <Kamion> infinity: although I guess nothing's changed?
[04:02] <infinity> Kamion : Yes, and right.  Nothing's changed.
[04:02] <pitti> sabdfl: (or 7.4, depending on your server version)
[04:02] <Kamion> infinity: ok, will move back
[04:02] <Nafallo> maswan: hehe, nice :-)
[04:03] <Kamion> infinity: which is good, 'cos I don't know if randomly moving stuff out of accepted breaks katie or not
[04:03] <infinity> Kamion : Alright.  I'll ping back in 10/15 mins when the chroots are all happy.
[04:04] <sabdfl> pitti: fine.... but shouldn't the software know that itself?
[04:04] <sabdfl> that's not a file I told it to use
[04:04] <pitti> sabdfl: which software do we talk about?
[04:04] <sabdfl> i'm just using psycopg
[04:04] <Kamion> infinity: I'm going to test Edubuntu/powerpc for a bit, so may well be longer than that, and I want to have most of the afternoon off
[04:04] <sabdfl> launchpad
[04:04] <pitti> sabdfl: oh, psycopg itself wants that file?
[04:04] <Kamion> infinity: might be best if you pinged elmo/mdz later
[04:05] <dieman> heh
[04:05] <infinity> Kamion : Or I can just stop all the buildds and you can approve the uploads now.
[04:05] <pitti> sabdfl: it does not even depend on postgresql-contrib*
[04:05] <dieman> my mirror is running a little slow this morning :)
[04:05] <infinity> Kamion : If you approve them now, that gives me a 30+ minute window anyway, cause we just missed cron.daily.
[04:05] <sabdfl> pitti: i have the file in 7.4 subdir
[04:05] <sabdfl> but SOMETHING is looking for it in the old place
[04:06] <sabdfl> hmm
[04:06] <sabdfl> oh... the db dump i am using came from a hoary box
[04:06] <pitti> bah, it is impossible to get something from archive.u.c
[04:06] <pitti> I wanted to look in psycopg sources
[04:06] <infinity> Kamion : I won't begrudge a man his afternoon off after a stressfuly week. :)
[04:07] <dieman> pitti: try ftp.heanet.ie, it still seems reachable from here
[04:07] <infinity> pitti : This is why we have local mirrors.
[04:07] <pitti> sabdfl: ok, confirmed; psycopg itself has nothing to do with it (and shouldn't)
[04:07] <Lathiat> pitti: heh, archive.u.c is swamped?
[04:07] <fabbione> infinity: so the only reason you are not pushing -updates is because of the chroot, right?
[04:07] <sabdfl> ok, seems like its a local config issue, not a general problem
[04:07] <pitti> infinity: I just tried apt-get source on concordia
[04:07] <sabdfl> except i guess that i hope our upgrade scripts trap this sort of thing
[04:07] <pitti> dieman: I did that in the data center
[04:07] <pitti> sabdfl: so far I wasn't even aware of that file
[04:08] <maswan> dieman: at least for now, we'll see. :)
[04:09] <ogra> NOOOO
[04:09] <ogra> my ppc download dropped.... damned
[04:09] <ajmitch> ogra: wget -c !
[04:09] <pitti> sabdfl: these directories only contain stuff that is actually server specific; clients should not use it
[04:09] <ogra> yes...
[04:09] <ogra> i'm already running that...
[04:10] <ogra> *sigh* i'll never get this release out :'(
[04:10] <maswan> ogra: that's why I'm trying to encourage the DC admins to unswamp their network. ;)
[04:11] <lifeless> mdz: congrats
[04:11] <lifeless> gnight all
[04:11] <pitti> night lifeless 
[04:11] <ajmitch> night lifeless 
[04:11] <ogra> and i dont even think that we'll have any powerpc users with edubuntu
[04:11] <dieman>  09:11:26 up 17:11,  2 users,  load average: 94.93, 92.84, 82.27
[04:11] <dieman> bahwhahaha
[04:12] <dieman> its all iowait too, not enough ram
[04:12] <Lathiat> heh, whats that on
[04:12] <dieman> mirror.cs.umn.edu
[04:12] <Lathiat> ah
[04:12] <Lathiat> got bandwidth graph?
[04:12] <maswan> dieman: load average: 0.03, 0.13, 0.10, Out: 85993.16kB/s
[04:12] <dieman> its doing 187mbps
[04:12] <Lathiat> i see maswan is doing about 250M/s collectively
[04:13] <dieman> its a horribly underpowered machine
[04:13] <dieman> i need to move the NIC too
[04:13] <Lathiat> maswan: whast the url for your unis whole link?
[04:13] <dieman> it got ont he same irq as the disk :)
[04:13] <dieman> which is suuper-suck
[04:13] <maswan> Lathiat: http://stats.sunet.se/stat-q/plot-all/umea2.umea-srp,2005-10--13,raw,traffic-kbit
[04:13] <dieman> total:     5.52 Mb/s In   223.57 Mb/s Out -  10242.3 p/s In   18880.5 p/s Out
[04:13] <dieman> mmmm. happy peak
[04:13] <dieman> its only a dual 7333, 1gb rambus
[04:13] <stub> pitti: tsearch2 stores the location on the stop words list in pg_ts_dict. This looks like what bit sabdfl, because the tsearch2 config from the dump made on hoary now references non-existant files.
[04:13] <dieman> 7333 rather
[04:13] <dieman> 733 rather
[04:13] <Lathiat> maswan: eh, nice, so how far can you push it? :)
[04:14] <dieman> single disk
[04:14] <ajmitch> maswan: looking good
[04:14] <Lathiat> maswan: ooh.. looks like it pretty much hit it
[04:14] <maswan> Lathiat: that far. :/
[04:14] <Kamion> ogra: I have a powerpc workstation install in progress
[04:14] <pitti> stub: ah, bad
[04:14] <stub> pitti: It might be worth considering some symlinks? I'm not too familiar here. 
[04:14] <Kamion> ogra: it'll take a while because I'm not paying it much attention, but it's running
[04:14] <maswan> dieman: borrow a temporary machine with a few gigs of ram, http-redirect the i386 install iso there?
[04:14] <ajmitch> maswan: so you finally managed to saturate your link? congrats :)
[04:14] <maswan> dieman: http://farbror.acc.umu.se/stats/monitordata/index.shtml
[04:14] <dieman> maswan: dont have many machines lkike that hanging out
[04:14] <maswan> dieman: that's what test[01]  is doing there
[04:14] <dieman> heh
[04:15] <Lathiat> looks like test1 dropped off
[04:15] <stub> pitti: I'm not sure though. Using tsearch2 is a pretty manual process, so maybe it isn't a requirement
[04:15] <maswan> ajmitch: thanks
[04:15] <maswan> Lathiat: there is some lag in moving the measurement data
[04:16] <Lathiat> maswan: ah ok
[04:16] <ogra> Kamion, *sigh* how shall i ever pay that back to you
[04:16] <pitti> stub: so you migrated to breezy now? how did the db upgrade go, any errors apart from this one?
[04:17] <pitti> stub: the transition script is pretty complex and there were bugs in the past
[04:18] <Lathiat> what you need is machines with 16GB of ram :)
[04:18] <Lathiat> or 48 i think debian has one like that
[04:18] <stub> pitti: I migrated to breezy a while ago, but I wouldn't have noticed how the db upgrade went - we blow away the dev databases when running the test suite.
[04:18] <pitti> ah, I see
[04:18] <maswan> Lathiat: nah, this dataset is small enough. test[01]  have 8 gigs each and hold the hot data in ram.
[04:19] <Lathiat> maswan: ah cool
[04:19] <stub> pitti: We can test on our staging server at some point though ;)
[04:19] <maswan> Lathiat: debian was harder since cd+dvd isos were >16 gigs.
[04:19] <maswan> Lathiat: for i386
[04:20] <Lathiat> maswan: ah
[04:23] <Nafallo> maswan: nice. you have peeks every 6 months ;-)
[04:24] <zyga> pitti: do you have 160 seconds?
[04:24] <pitti> zyga: exactly? :-(
[04:24] <pitti> :-)
[04:24] <pitti> even
[04:24] <zyga> pitti: a bit less I hopwe
[04:24] <pitti> zyga: sure, I also have more
[04:24] <zyga> pitti: how do you validate exports from rosetta when you build langpacks?
[04:25] <pitti> zyga: yes, I did
[04:25] <zyga> pitti: I've ran across some errors in last export tarball
[04:25] <zyga> pitti: carlos is all aware and will look into them
[04:25] <pitti> zyga: I produced a normalized diff, looked at the 30 MB diff and throwed out all obsolete and buggy files
[04:25] <zyga> ah so you dump everything that is borked
[04:25] <pitti> zyga: for the final langpacks, yes
[04:26] <zyga> cool that explains it
[04:26] <pitti> zyga: I didn't want to drop all rosetta updates, so I had to cherrypick
[04:26] <zyga> you looked at 30 megs of diff??
[04:26] <pitti> yes :-/
[04:26] <zyga> god
[04:26] <pitti> it took about 4 hours to clean it up
[04:26] <TFP> hi
[04:26] <zyga> pitti: did you set up any automated stuff that helps with this?
[04:26] <TFP> i just wondered if ubuntu fixed the HAL problem in their new release, anyone knows more?
[04:26] <pitti> zyga: of course I used some clever vim regexps
[04:27] <pitti> TFP: "the HAL problem"?
[04:27] <pitti> TFP: bug# ?
[04:27] <zyga> (I'm pretty in the same position now but I don't want to fix it - just be able to process data quickly and get nice results and reports
[04:27] <TFP> failed to initialize HAL on startup
[04:27] <pitti> zyga: no, just vim and regexps
[04:27] <pitti> zyga: but you can have the list of invalid files that I threw out
[04:27] <zyga> pitti: okay thanks :-)
[04:27] <pitti> zyga: I kept it in case I or sb else needs to do it agin
[04:28] <zyga> I don't care about differences ATM
[04:28] <pitti> zyga: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/langpacks/rosetta-killed.txt
[04:28] <pitti> TFP: depends on the reason for it; there was a dbus bug maybe two months ago which caused that
[04:29] <pitti> TFP: but it generally works in more recent breeezy versions
[04:29] <TFP> pitti: and is it solved?
[04:29] <TFP> ah ok
[04:29] <TFP> that was the reason why i dumped ubuntu
[04:29] <TFP> cause it crashed randomly
[04:29] <pitti> TFP: hey, this bug was there for about *two days*
[04:29] <TFP> and i had to wait 5 minutes for gnome to startup
[04:29] <pitti> TFP: oh, wait, that bug did not cause it to crash randomly
[04:30] <pitti> TFP: can you please try the current live CD?
[04:30] <pitti> TFP: if it still crashes, can you please ping me?
[04:30] <hunger> TFP: Are you using SATA drives?
[04:30] <TFP> well i just dl the new breezy and wanted to test it
[04:30] <TFP> nope
[04:31] <OddAbe19> did dapper open tuesday as in 2 days ago or 5 days from now?
[04:31] <hunger> TFP: My system used to be very instable due to the kernel ubuntu used for a while.
[04:31] <pitti> OddAbe19: it's not yet open
[04:31] <hunger> TFP: It did not like SATA too much for me:-)
[04:31] <OddAbe19> check check
[04:31] <TFP> well i dont have sata
[04:32] <pitti> hunger: is breezy too outdated for you?
[04:33] <TFP> well we'll see if the problem was fixed for my pc ;)
[04:33] <hunger> pitti: No, but there are a couple of items that got postponed in breezy that might be cool:-)
[04:33] <bddebian> Sheesh :-)
[04:33] <pitti> hunger: right
[04:33] <hunger> pitti: And you did not get round to checking out my cryptodick script in time either...
[04:34] <Yagisan> hunger: cryptodick ?? typo perhaps 
[04:34] <ivoks> cryptodick :))
[04:34] <pitti> nice name
[04:34] <hunger> pitti: Plus I would love to help getting hibernation to work with crypted swap spaces, too (even though I doubt that my current settup will work):-)
[04:34] <pitti> ivoks: so that you can't fall into  holes *duck*
[04:34] <Mithrandir> jbailey: do we support booting off USB drives?  That is, my initramfs goes boom when trying to pivot_root.
[04:34] <ivoks> pitti: ;)
[04:35] <jbailey> Mithrandir: If your initramfs is trying to pivot_root, you're seeing other problems...
[04:35] <pitti> hunger: resuming from encrypted swap really works?
[04:35] <jbailey> Mithrandir: Should be running a command called "run-init" instead.
[04:35] <jbailey> Mithrandir: Have you forced it back to mkinitrd?
[04:36] <Mithrandir> jbailey: ah, this is hoary, we're going to dist-upgrade to breezy.  I'll annoy you in a little while. :-)
[04:36] <jbailey> Mithrandir: =)  No USB booting in Hoary. =)
[04:37] <jbailey> Mithrandir: You may have timeout troubles in Breezy.  You may need to add a longer sleep in Breezy to get it to work right too, but it will work.
[04:37] <ajmitch> jbailey: so I should be able to boot off my camera with breezy? :)
[04:37] <jbailey> ajmitch: Mmmm.  If you can fit everythingo n a fat filesystem, sure.
[04:38] <jbailey> Most cameras don't do well with ext2 media. =)
[04:38] <ajmitch> I wouldn't use the card to take photos :)
[04:38] <highvoltage> have  you guys checked JaneW's edubuntu cake yet? http://www.flickr.com/photos/13916877@N00/52139491/
[04:39] <jbailey> Ahahah, cool.
[04:39] <ogra> highvoltage, gah why didn you wait until release with the cacke.... 
[04:39] <ogra> it might curse us now ....
[04:39] <ogra> :)
[04:40] <Mithrandir> jbailey: we'll see in a little while
[04:40] <JaneW> ogra: it's a good luck charm, I wouldn;t have made it if I thought there was a risk...
[04:40] <jbailey> Mithrandir: Cool.
[04:40] <jbailey> Mithrandir: IS this one of your I2O systems?
[04:40] <highvoltage> dammit
[04:40] <Mithrandir> jbailey: no, it's a friend's laptop.
[04:40] <highvoltage> JaneW: whatever you do, don't eat any of the cake!
[04:41] <ogra> heh
[04:41] <highvoltage> ogra: i think as long as nobody eats any of it, we're safe.
[04:41] <ogra> ok
[04:41] <highvoltage> JaneW: lock your kids in their rooms tonight.
[04:41] <highvoltage> or sent them to your mother.
[04:41] <ogra> Kamion gets the first piece !
[04:41] <Mithrandir> jbailey: I'll have access to the i2o system next week or so, I hope.  It got punted a bit because of some hardware problems.
[04:41] <jbailey> Mithrandir: It's all good.
[04:41] <JaneW> highvoltage: good idea!
[04:42] <jbailey> I don't suppose there's cheap consumer grade i2o systems are there? =(
[04:42] <Mithrandir> jbailey: hahahahahha.
[04:42] <hunger> pitti: several people claim so, I have not seen it myself yet.
[04:42] <jbailey> I ought to try and acquire one for dapper if we want to support that grade of hardware.
[04:42] <hunger> pitti: My encryption scheme is a bit too ... involved ... to test this with.
[04:42] <jdub> yay
[04:43] <jdub> nokia are going to send my 770 to montreal!
[04:43] <Mithrandir> fish!
[04:47] <jbailey> jdub: Where are you having it sent to?
[04:47] <jbailey> jdub: If you want, you can use my address.
[04:47] <jdub> jbailey: the hotel, methinks
[04:47] <jdub> jbailey: NOT ON YOUR LIFE!
[04:47] <mjg59> jeff, you haven't even touched your chicken yet
[04:47] <jdub> good try though
[04:47] <jbailey> mjg59: Err, what?
[04:47] <jbailey> Oh.
[04:47] <jbailey> *him*
[04:47] <ajmitch> heh :)
[04:48] <jdub> he's hassling me for eating my vegetables first
[04:48] <mvirkkil> dholbach: Uh, what did you add? Docbook export?
[04:48] <jbailey> jdub: I think that's perfectly reasonable.
[04:48] <mjg59> jbailey: But you're a food deviant
[04:48] <dholbach> mvirkkil: erm?
[04:48] <infinity> kamion : Gone for the afternoon already?
[04:49] <Robot101> mjg59: stop IRCing and eat, you're the deviant
[04:49] <infinity> Kamion : If not, those uploads can be approved any time.
[04:49] <mjg59> Robot101: Hypocrite
[04:49] <dholbach> mvirkkil: what are you talking about?
[04:49] <Robot101> restaurants with wifi = win
[04:49] <dholbach> Robot101: i'm in a cafe with free wifi :)
[04:50] <mjg59> (Also: never drinking again)
[04:50] <jbailey> mjg59: Vegans taste better.
[04:51] <mvirkkil> dholbach: You wrote to me and said: "dude, I already did that" or something to that effect.
[04:52] <mvirkkil> 22:47:15< dholbach> mvirkkil: dude, i added that already
[04:52] <dholbach> mvirkkil: that must have been with lack of sleep, and i meant "mvo" - sorry for that
[04:52] <mvirkkil> dholbach: np
[04:52] <dholbach> :)
[04:52] <highvoltage> guys, what's going on with the wiki?
[04:53] <dholbach> highvoltage: what's wrong? is it slow?
[04:53] <highvoltage> no, all the pages were gone for a short while, now it's back. very strange.
[04:54] <highvoltage> i also got those python purple cgi error screens.
[04:54] <highvoltage> working now again too.
[05:03] <ogra> mjg59, so we wont see such funny uploads anymore ? bah...
[05:03] <mjg59> Haha
[05:03] <mjg59> I haven't actually signed the NDA yet
[05:04] <ogra> heh
[05:04] <elvirolo> hi guys
[05:05] <elvirolo> did the release go as you expected ?
[05:05] <bob2> breezy went out, mjg59 got drunk, everyone else went to sleep
[05:05] <bob2> more or less what everyone expected
[05:05] <elvirolo> great :)
[05:05] <bddebian> bob2: :-)
[05:06] <bddebian> Oh yeah we can vote on mjg59 today eh?
[05:06] <ogra> bddebian, tomorrow
[05:09] <bddebian> Tomorrow? I thought it said the 13th?
[05:09] <spayne> well done guys! i'm proud of you all :)
[05:09] <mjg59> bob2: I was drunk before Breezy released
[05:09] <mjg59> There was some champagne, though
[05:10] <Lathiat> mm, the poll page could do with some ui fixes ;p
[05:11] <bddebian> ogra: From the page: "The voting will be opened on 2005-10-13."
[05:11] <Lathiat> bddebian: says 2005-10-14 here
[05:11] <Lathiat> that might be timezone converted or something tho
[05:11] <bddebian> Hmm.  Must be a timezone thing :)
[05:20] <dieman> heh
[05:20] <dieman> that machine *still* has a load of 100
[05:20] <dieman> even after moving the nic
[05:20] <dieman> im thinking of bringing thttpd back up ;)
[05:22] <dieman> jeezus crhist
[05:22] <dieman> the box is doing 278-300 mbps
[05:24] <the--dud> grats folks, I'll be sure to update to breezy in a few weeks ;)
[05:32] <the--dud> even slashdotted the release of breezy, can't remember the last time a linux distro release was slashdotted :o
[05:33] <jbailey> I doubt if it's just /..
[05:33] <jbailey> It's not like the release date wasn't well publicised anyway.
[05:34] <highvoltage> and anticipated
[05:34] <Keybuk> slashdot like us today?
[05:35] <Keybuk> I was already weak because I'd managed to catch up with -bugs over just one cup of coffee
[05:35] <Amaranth> the--dud: every release of ubuntu has been /.ed
[05:36] <highvoltage> the top distro get's /.ed :)
[05:40] <Mirv> fi.archive.ubuntu.com seems not responding :( I guess it should be changed to point to se.archive.ubuntu.com if it can't be fixed
[05:41] <Kamion> Mirv: fi.archive == archive; it's just overloaded
[05:41] <Amaranth> us.archive is a real seperate mirror, right?
[05:41] <Mirv> Kamion: ok, thanks, tried to find out but couldn't
[05:41] <Amaranth> Mirv: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive might help
[05:42] <jdub> mdz: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
[05:42] <jdub> mdz: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
[05:42] <jdub> mdz: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
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[05:42] <jdub> 
[05:42] <Kamion> Mirv: well, compare 'host fi.archive.ubuntu.com' with 'host archive.ubuntu.com' and it should be obvious
[05:42] <Kamion> Amaranth: not atm
[05:42] <Kamion> it was, but I think it broke
[05:42] <Kinnison> jdub: have you sent me the details yet?
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[05:43] <zyga> geez
[05:43] <highvoltage>  _ __ ___   __| |___| |
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[05:43] <Robot101> EBLEEDINGEYES
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[05:43] <highvoltage> |_| |_| |_|\__,_/___(_)
[05:43] <highvoltage> 
[05:43] <highvoltage> oops, that was a bit big.
[05:43] <highvoltage> sorry
[05:43] <Amaranth> ESTABPEOPLE
[05:43] <highvoltage> well if he doesn't see that he must be blind :P
[05:43] <jdub> highvoltage: -f small, dude
[05:44] <highvoltage> aah, /me makes mental note of that
[05:44] <zyga> jdub: banner didn't do that - what did you use?
[05:45] <jdub> figlet
[05:45] <Lathiat> figlet
[05:45] <Lathiat> eh
[05:45] <Lathiat> figlet happy bday | cowsay -n -f sodomized
[05:45] <Mirv> Kamion: true, true, I guess I'm tired as I didn't check that way
[05:46] <dieman> heh
[05:46] <dieman> ok i drank the lighhttpd kool-aide
[05:46] <dieman> and its worthless
[05:46] <dieman> back to apache we go
[05:46] <dieman> kool-aid, rather
[05:46] <juliux> pitti, ping
[05:46] <dholbach> bbiab
[05:46] <pitti> Hi juliux 
[05:47] <zyga> for the first time in my life I cannot connect to nn.archive.ubuntu.com
[05:47] <juliux> pitti, today release party in dresden?
[05:47] <the--dud> anyone tried to just switch out your sources.list from hoary to breezy yet?
[05:47] <the--dud> perhaps it wise to wait out a week or two for some bugs to go away
[05:47] <pitti> juliux: haven't heard about any, did you?
[05:47] <juliux> pitti, no but i see that you are also in dresden
[05:48] <pitti> juliux: I am, right
[05:50] <Diziet> keybuk: Why does hct depend on python (>= 2.4) rather than python2.4 ?  That makes it hard to get it to install on sarge.
[05:50] <Keybuk> dunno
[05:51] <Keybuk> I think that's what Python Policy told me to do
[05:51] <Diziet> In fact, it depends on both.
[05:51] <Diziet> Which is just bizarre.
[05:51] <Keybuk> there used to be 2.3 packages too
[05:52] <Keybuk> but I dropped support for them
[05:52] <Diziet> So you're doing `support one or several Particular Version(s)' ?  In which case the Depends: python (>= 2.4) is wrong I think.
[05:53] <infinity> Python policy says that metapackages should depend on "foo-python$(current-default)" and "python (>> foo) (<< bar)", while the packages the metapackages depend on should just depend on python-$(version they use), no?
[05:53] <Kamion> if you're using /usr/bin/python, you do need a dependency on python
[05:53] <Kamion> (so perhaps DDTT, haven't checked)
[05:53] <Diziet> There's no reason for the metapackages here, since hct only works with 2.4 and the python hct module is for hct.
[05:53] <Diziet> kamion: Indeed, it doesn't do that.
[05:54] <Kamion> ok
[05:54] <Diziet> The situation we have atm is that hct only works if the default python is 2.4 which isn't true in sarge.
[05:54] <Diziet> Err, only installs.
[05:55] <Diziet> I haven't tried forcing the dependencies.  That would probably work.
[05:55] <Kamion> 16:07 < CIA-4> debian-installer: jdthood-guest * r31356 packages/netcfg/
[05:55] <Kamion>                (debian/changelog netcfg-common.c): Eliminate
[05:55] <Kamion>                localhost.localdomain as name of 127.0.0.1
[05:55] <Kamion> woo, about time
[05:55] <Keybuk> *shrug*
[05:55] <Keybuk> I care about sarge -> <- this much right now :p
[05:55] <infinity> etch, even.
[05:55] <Kamion> and unstable
[05:55] <infinity> But, we also use that default in ubuntu.
[05:56] <Diziet> kamion: *excellent*
[05:56] <Kamion> Keybuk: won't it break when we switch to python 2.5 as default, too?
[05:56] <Keybuk> Kamion: then I'll fix it :p
[05:56] <Kamion> I mean, if you're using /usr/bin/python2.4
[05:56] <Keybuk> I think I just use /usr/bin/env python
[05:56] <Diziet> keybuk: Fair enough.  I just thought I'd mention itt.  Perhaps you can fix this next time you happen to be in the general area.
[05:56] <Keybuk> Diziet: yeah, will re-read python policy again
[05:56] <Diziet> root@anarres:/work# head -1 /usr/bin/hct 
[05:56] <Diziet> #!/usr/bin/python2.4
[05:56] <Keybuk> hmm, maybe the python installer does something with that then
[05:56] <Keybuk> it's #!/usr/bin/env python in arch
[05:57] <pitti> Keybuk: you should at least usr #!/usr/bin/python, otherwise you will get a bug from `anthony that hct breaks on his machine
[05:57] <Diziet> When you do, remember that you want `Support one or several Particular Version(s)' and not `Support All/Most Versions (Including Default)'
[05:57] <siretart> is hct somewhere publicy availabe?
[05:57] <infinity> Kamion : Are we going to make that same change in dapper, then?
[05:57] <Kamion> Diziet: localhost.localdomain> discussion established that nobody really knew why it had been introduced in the first place, and it seemed to kind of appear out of nowhere in the bug log with no justification
[05:57] <pitti> Keybuk: (which still has python1.5 in its $PATH)
[05:57] <Kamion> infinity: hell yeah
[05:57] <infinity> Kamion : I patched a couple of packages in breezy to deal with that oddity.
[05:57] <infinity> Kamion : But they should also deal the other way (I made sure of that)
[05:57] <Keybuk> pitti: I plan to re-do the packaging before it's released
[05:57] <trulux> heya fellows
[05:57] <Keybuk> the current stuff is iterally a 5s hack
[05:57] <Kamion> infinity: we'll have to deal with it for breezy installs anyway :-/
[05:58] <trulux> pitti: morning! found some bugs in my vsec packages, going to upload fixed ones now
[05:58] <Kamion> although possibly hoary installs too, I don't recall exactly when it was introduced
[05:58] <jdub> YAY Kamion!
[05:58] <trulux> pitti: just a typo in postinst script and also needs to update modules.conf
[05:59] <infinity> Kamion : Might have been hoary, one of the bugs I fixed was pretty old.
[05:59] <Diziet> #!/usr/bin/env python> I think that's wrong.  That'll mean that when you upgrade the default python version, hct will stop working.  Or, to look at it another way, people won't be able to change to a release with a different default python version unless you fettle hct first.
[05:59] <infinity> Using #!/usr/bin/env python means you need the (>> foo) (<< bar) dependencies.
[06:00] <infinity> Using #!/usr/bin/python2.4 means you can just depend on python2.4
[06:00] <infinity> The latter seems more desireable.
[06:00] <Diziet> Quite so.
[06:00] <infinity> (for ease of upgrades)
[06:02] <Keybuk> right, but it looks like the python setup.py thing rewrites the #! line anyway
[06:03] <Kamion> sigh, installs are annoyingly slow when archive is overloaded
[06:04] <infinity> Everything is annoyingly slow when the archive is overloaded.
[06:04] <Nafallo> Kamion: you're lucky. I'm still trying to fetch Packages, Sources and Releases :-P
[06:04] <bddebian> No shix :-(
[06:05] <Diziet> kamion: I'm considering having my firewall intercept my testbed's requests and divert them to the local mirror ...
[06:06] <Kamion> Diziet: I think I might start routinely preseeding mirror/http/proxy or whatever it is
[06:06] <\sh> did isa y 2 hours sleeping? don't trust me 
[06:06] <Diziet> It doesn't seem to find a proxy or anything.
[06:06] <Kamion> I think 'install mirror/http/proxy=http://wwwcache:3128/' would work
[06:06] <Diziet> I should really RTFM, shouldn't I ? :-)
[06:07] <Diziet> mirror/http/proxy=http://mirror.relativity.greenend.org.uk/ubuntu/ or some such.
[06:07] <Kamion> oh, it's a deficiency in the installer that it doesn't ask for a proxy, really, I feel; it was one of the casualties of the "as few questions as possible" thing
[06:07] <Kamion> Diziet: if that's actually a mirror rather than an HTTP proxy, you'd have to resort to different tricks
[06:07] <Diziet> It could try to discover one by speculating in the dns.
[06:07] <infinity> Does it kick back out and ask for a proxy if the main mirror times out?
[06:08] <Kamion> oh, now, that's tempting
[06:08] <Diziet> Oh, how annoying.
[06:08] <Kamion> infinity: no
[06:08] <infinity> Yeah, that's a deficiency, then.
[06:08] <infinity> Few questions good, if we fall back.
[06:08] <Kamion> if the main mirror times out, we assume you're non-networked and leave you alone
[06:08] <Kamion> but that may not be an entirely accurate assumption
[06:08] <Diziet> Often not, if your network admin is at all paranoid.
[06:08] <Kamion> and besides, not everyone denies non-proxied requests - for some people they're just slower or, worse, more expensive
[06:09] <infinity> That wouldn't be correct at any university campus I've been on in the last 5 years.
[06:09] <Kamion> (c.f. cam.ac.uk international traffic charging)
[06:11] <Kamion> ogra: edubuntu/powerpc/workstation pass
[06:12] <Kamion> I do like the Edubuntu icon theme and font. Pleasingly different.
[06:12] <Keybuk> I like the edubuntu logo, it's clever
[06:13] <Keybuk> me! oh, me! missss! pick me! me! me! ohhhh miss!
[06:13] <\sh> Kamion: didn't you want sleep?
[06:13] <\sh> +to 
[06:13] <Kamion> \sh: I had a couple of hours
[06:14] <dieman> crazy
[06:14] <dieman> i know tds.net has way more hw than i do
[06:14] <\sh> Kamion: good to hear
[06:14] <dieman> and their mirror box is only saying its doing 341mbps
[06:14] <dieman> im doing ~300mbps
[06:14] <dieman> and im on crap for hardware.
[06:15] <Kinnison> infinity: yeesh that's big
[06:15] <infinity> Kinnison : The ccache on the buildds is ~20 gigs per machine.
[06:15] <bddebian> OK, time to open up the Dapper repos? ;-P
[06:15] <infinity> Royal's cache corrupted horribly at some point and ccache segvs if you look at it sideways.
[06:15] <infinity> So, away it goes.
[06:16] <\sh> Rest In Peace
[06:16] <infinity> The really sad thing is that royal's been out of rotation for weeks, and I've only now found the time to debug it -- which took about 5 minutes.
[06:17] <infinity> Oh well.  The last few weeks were easy on the buildds, I don't think anyone even noticed we were missing one. :)
[06:17] <Kamion> dieman: my wife is wondering how many sides you've got
[06:17] <Kamion> "he might be a d10 or a d20 ... oh"
[06:17] <Kinnison> bddebian: Tuesday
[06:17] <infinity> Kamion : dPi, I'd assume from his domain.
[06:17] <Kamion> cute, fractal
[06:17] <infinity> I'm not sure how you can have Pi sides, but whatever. :)
[06:18] <Kinnison> infinity: a very very spethul die
[06:20] <bddebian> heh
[06:20] <Kinnison> bddebian: in all seriousness, dapper won't be open until tuesday or so, sorry
[06:21] <bddebian> Kinnison: I was only kidding.  I actually need to take a little time off to do my RL job anyway ;-)
[06:21] <dieman> heh
[06:21] <Kamion> Kinnison: any germinate stuff I can do for you? I have some spare time
[06:21] <Kamion> for once
[06:21] <Kinnison> Kamion: germinate ain't going in for now
[06:21] <Kinnison> Kamion: more useful would be for you to write a raw-installer processor
[06:21] <Kamion> how's main being determined?
[06:22] <Kinnison> Kamion: germinate + script-run-on-ftpmaster
[06:22] <Kamion> manual check?
[06:22] <Kinnison> aye
[06:22] <Kamion> ok, good
[06:22] <Kamion> raw-installer> hmm. most of it's easy enough, the mildly awkward bit is cleaning up the old images
[06:22] <Kinnison> Kamion: so yeah, a raw-installer installer, and working on getting the CD building utterly automated would be nice
[06:23] <Kamion> we can talk about this at UBZ, but I'd really like to start off dapper with CD building still happening the way it does now
[06:23] <Kinnison> okay that's fine
[06:23] <Kinnison> but the installer stuff seriously needs doing
[06:23] <Kinnison> and I simply don't have time right now
[06:23] <Kamion> this is going to be our enterprise release, and CD-build work hasn't even been properly specced yet - we need to get CDs out early in the dapper cycle or it won't weork
[06:24] <bddebian> Maybe I should shoot for main rights during Dapper.  Wouldn't that scare some people :-)
[06:24] <Kamion> Kinnison: how does your morgue-equivalent work?
[06:24] <Kinnison> Kamion: If it made it far enough to get into the archive, it's in the librarian until it's explicitly discarded
[06:25] <\sh> woa...now I see first, that infinity had the last upload for breezy...
[06:25] <Kamion> when should unpacked installer tarballs be discarded?
[06:25] <Kamion> oh, only manually, you mean?
[06:25] <infinity> Hrm, so I did.
[06:25] <Kinnison> Kamion: not sure what we're doing about installer tarballs currently
[06:25] <Kinnison> Kamion: there's nowhere in the db for them to go
[06:26] <Kamion> that makes it hard to do raw-installer processing, I'd've thought ;)
[06:26] <Kinnison> Kamion: basically assume you're given the archive root, the tarfile path, the distrorelease name, and go from there
[06:27] <Kinnison> Kamion: that way I can invoke you when it's time to be installed
[06:27] <Kamion> Kinnison: righto, I'll experiment - Friday or Monday, not sure what's on my plate tomorrow yet
[06:27] <\sh> time to get up from my bed, having a shower and going out for dinner
[06:28] <Kinnison> Kamion: okay
[06:28] <Kamion> Kinnison: ok to write just a function that does it, or something, and leave you to work out where to put it in launchpad?
[06:28] <bddebian> \sh: Have a beer on me ;-)
[06:28] <Kinnison> Kamion: Either a shell script, or a nice self-contained python module is best
[06:29] <Kinnison> Kamion: I'm happy to put either into launchpad as needed
[06:29] <\sh> bddebian: i think i need some food first
[06:29] <Kamion> Kinnison: do you have a dpkg version comparison routine in lp already?
[06:29] <Kinnison> Kamion: yes
[06:29] <Kinnison> Kamion: we have the one from sourcerer
[06:29] <Kamion> what does it look like to the caller?
[06:29] <Kamion> (I need it to do purging of older images)
[06:29] <Travis_Watkins_> hrm, no separator between gnome-app-install and the rest of the menu :/
[06:30] <Kinnison> You'll be given a callable which when you pass it a string will give you back an object you can use standard python comparators with
[06:30] <dholbach> re
[06:30] <Kinnison> Kamion: will that do?
[06:30] <Kamion> Kinnison: so I can pass in all the versions found in that directory, get a list of objects, and sort
[06:30] <Kamion> that'll do fine
[06:31] <Kinnison> okay sure, we can make the contract list->list
[06:31] <Amaranth> ack, oo2 menu entries are using oo1 icons
[06:31] <Kinnison> In fact, if you're gonna be like that, you can do something like: string_version_list.sort(key=DebianVersionType)
[06:32] <Kinnison> Kamion: whatever contract you decide on, we can do, or I can refactor your code afterwards
[06:32] <Kamion> ok - I mean, the versions are such that plain sort will basically work anyway, but I'd rather be correct
[06:33] <Kinnison> We'll work something out
[06:33] <Kamion> note that the last stage of d-i byhand processing is lisa'ing the .changes into the archive
[06:33] <Kamion> I trust you can take care of that bit
[06:34] <Kinnison> Remember that launchpad won't have byhand
[06:34] <Kamion> yes, I know
[06:34] <Kinnison> raw-installer is just a custom upload format :-)
[06:34] <Kamion> but I mean of the procedure we currently follow that I'll be converting
[06:34] <Kamion> I know, I (co-)invented raw-installer ;-)
[06:34] <Kinnison> so yes, your stuff will be invoked at the point that the equivalent of lisa'ing in the .changes would take place
[06:34] <Kamion> (for the purposes of lp later)
[06:34] <Kamion> all right, fine
[06:35] <Kinnison> thanks dude
[06:35] <Kinnison> sorry if I'm being obtuse or unclear
[06:35] <Kamion> not at all
[06:35] <Kamion> I'm on two hours sleep, I'm far more likely to suffer from that
[06:35] <Kinnison> dude, go rest
[06:35] <Kamion> can't sleep, clowns will eat me
[06:36] <infinity> Kinnison : Does launchpad have a way for us to add translation tarballs to a .changes in a binary upload and have them automagically imported (or, at least, stored somewhere for later import)?
[06:36] <the--dud> haha
[06:36] <Kinnison> infinity: We'll have a form for that yes
[06:36] <Kinnison> infinity: to get rid of the evil pkgstriptranslations bollocks we currently have
[06:37] <Kinnison> infinity: basically get them directly imported into rosetta :-)
[06:37] <infinity> Kinnison : Okay.  We'll need it pretty much at dapper open, unless we want to give pitti http access to the buildds to pull the tarballs by hand as we do now.
[06:37] <Kinnison> infinity: i'll sic Carlos on it tomorrow :-)
[06:37] <infinity> Kinnison : I assume pkgstriptranslations will stay, it'll just drop the tarball in dpkg-distaddfile, no?
[06:37] <Kinnison> aye
[06:37] <Kinnison> sorry, that, yes
[06:38] <infinity> The importing part is less important than the uploading part for Tuesday, I assume.
[06:38] <infinity> But the tarballs need to get off the buildds SOMEHOW, and if they're locked down, the only way is through .changes.
[06:38] <Kinnison> indeedy
[06:39] <infinity> Alright.  Just wanted to make sure you were still on that.  I'll leave you the heck alone, then. :)
[06:39] <Kinnison> thanks
[06:39] <infinity> And I'll remind pitti that the very first thing we need in dapper is a new pkgstriptranslations upload that switches to using dpkg-distaddfile.
[06:39] <pitti> infinity: I should prepare and test this a bit before it becomes urgent
[06:40] <infinity> Easy enough to make it work.
[06:40] <infinity> Kinnison will have to give you the magic section and priority, though.
[06:40] <Kinnison> pick one and tell me
[06:40] <infinity> Cause that's how it will be keyed, I assume.
[06:40] <Kinnison> the magic section is raw-installer for d-i
[06:40] <Kinnison> how about raw-translations
[06:40] <infinity> What's d-i using?
[06:40] <infinity> Kay.  And you don't care about priority, then?
[06:40] <Kamion> I originally suggested raw-* as a general "weird shit" namespacew
[06:41] <Kamion> so raw-translations sounds good
[06:41] <infinity> Yeah, that sounds fair to me.
[06:41] <Kinnison> infinity: priority should be a single hyphen
[06:41] <Kinnison> infinity: as per the installer
[06:41] <infinity> Check.
[06:41] <infinity> pitti : Got that?
[06:41] <Kinnison> infinity: MD5SUM SIZE raw-translations - some_grungy_name.tar.gz
[06:42] <pitti> Kinnison, infinity: noted in my TODO
[06:42] <infinity> Don't need md5sum and size, dpkg-distaddfile does that.
[06:42] <Kinnison> infinity: aye
[06:42] <pitti> nice to see that cleaned up finally
[06:42] <Kinnison> infinity: I'm just saying what I expect to see in the Files: section
[06:42] <infinity> pitti : dpkg-distaddfile foo.tar.gz raw-translations -
[06:42] <infinity> Kinnison : Right.
[06:42] <carlos> Kinnison hmm so we will get direct upload into Rosetta next Tuesday?
[06:43] <Kinnison> carlos: that's the aim
[06:43] <infinity> pitti : And keep the current tarball naming scheme, as the archive will blow up if you revert to having several with the same name. :)
[06:44] <carlos> cool
[06:47] <Amaranth> the forums don't allow access to -devel anymore?
[06:47] <MasterC> hi
[06:55] <mdke> elmo, Znarl, do you have an ETA for the help.ubuntu.com request?
[06:56] <Znarl> mdke : It's urgent?
[06:56] <Kamion> ogra: edubuntu/powerpc/server pass
[06:58] <mdz> Kamion: I'm getting a fair amount of mail from people who can't find the DVD images
[06:58] <mdke> Znarl, fairly
[06:59] <Kamion> mdz: yeah, I'm going to stick a link in, I've just been too busy with Edubuntu testing
[06:59] <mdz> unfortunately, we didn't include a link to /download/ in the announcement
[06:59] <Kamion> (and not having an afternoon off as a result)
[06:59] <mdz> so the only place people look is releases
[07:02] <Znarl> mdke : ok, done.
[07:02] <mdke> Znarl, awesome
[07:03] <mdke> Znarl, ugh, hang on, is it pointing at the ip for that server, or something else?
[07:03] <Znarl> The IP.
[07:03] <mdke> hmm
[07:03] <mdke> ok there must be something wrong our side then
[07:04] <Znarl> Check you don't have a cached DNS entry.  
[07:04] <mdz> Kamion: where is ogra?
[07:04] <mdke> Znarl, don't think so, i'll play with apache. it should be pointing it at another virtual server, but it is pointing it at doc.ubuntu.com right now
[07:05] <Znarl> ok, let me know if you need anything else.
[07:05] <mdke> Znarl, thanks
[07:13] <pvanhoof> We have an urgent need for Ubuntu cd's for professional/sales purposes in Belgium (so more urgent than the shipit.ubuntu.org can deliver it)
[07:13] <pvanhoof> who should be contact?
[07:13] <pvanhoof> s/be/we
[07:13] <pvanhoof> We have also a few questions about branding possibilities
[07:14] <pvanhoof> And like to closely work with Canonical/Ubuntu on a few topics
[07:14] <pvanhoof> +together
[07:14] <mdke> pvanhoof, you should contact your locoteam probably, they can help with expedited shipments of cd's if you can justify it
[07:14] <janimo> daniels, ping
[07:15] <pvanhoof> ok
[07:15] <pvanhoof> locoteam, do they have a phone, address, url?
[07:15] <infinity> janimo : It's 3am in Australia. :)
[07:15] <mdke> pvanhoof, belgium does not have one afaics, you can try the french one (ubuntu-fr.org)
[07:16] <janimo> infinity, ok
[07:17] <pvanhoof> ok
[07:17] <ompaul> pvanhoof, so pay for them the artwork is there and copy shops can do the job :)
[07:17] <janimo> X would not install here
[07:17] <janimo> something chaged in the last X uploads, re blacklisting of some ati cards and the noaccel option
[07:17] <pvanhoof> ompaul, yes well.. we could do the artwork/our logo for the branding stuff. That wouldn't be a problem. We can even compile the liveCD itself. It's maintly the pressing of cd's and the approval to do this etcetera
[07:18] <mdke> Znarl, it is not a redirect or anything right? It is an A record?
[07:18] <Znarl> help.ubuntu.com.        1800    IN      A       65.19.178.132
[07:18] <TMM> hey, just out of curiousity, I just upgraded a hoary box to breezy with the CD, and then added breezy apt mirrors, and now it's upgrading a whole bunch of stuff from main... are the cd's outdated already?
[07:19] <mdke> Znarl, ok thanks, sorry to bother
[07:19] <Znarl> No problem.
[07:20] <Nafallo> TMM: no, but not everything from main is on the cd...
[07:20] <ompaul> pvanhoof, there _should_ be no problem with that, just drop a note to canonical if you feel uneasy, however the back of the printed copy says: You are legally entitled and encouraged to copy, share and redistribute this Cd for yourself and your friends. Share the spirit of Ubuntu.
[07:21] <pvanhoof> of course
[07:21] <pvanhoof> but .. we'd like to change for example the default background of the default theme
[07:21] <pvanhoof> stuff like that
[07:21] <TMM> Nafallo, ah, that explains it then, I thought it was, never checked, thanks a bundle!
[07:21] <pvanhoof> and change the printed image on the cds etcetera
[07:22] <TMM> Nafallo, I have at leat 20 hoary boxes to upgrade this week, so it's nice to know ;)
[07:22] <pvanhoof> well, it'd be nice if we could do that
[07:22] <pvanhoof> and also get assistance with pressing the cd's. Perhaps letting canonical press 'em
[07:22] <Nafallo> TMM: :-)
[07:22] <Nafallo> TMM: the dvd should have all of main if that's an option...
[07:22] <pvanhoof> Our story is that we will be telling our potential customers about Linux on the desktop
[07:22] <Nafallo> or rather all of ubuntu-supported :-)
[07:22] <pvanhoof> and we'd like to give 'em Ubuntu LiveCD's (and install cd's) as gadget
[07:23] <TMM> Nafallo, I've got a DVD burner, does shipit also ship DVD's these days?
[07:23] <Nafallo> nope
[07:23] <Nafallo> but cdimage.ubuntu.com does.
[07:23] <TMM> Nafallo, is the DVD image ready yet? might as well download it now, save me a lot of downloading on crap connections
[07:23] <TMM> whoops, linky :) thanks
[07:24] <ogra> mdz, was buying a new dvd writer
[07:24] <ogra> Kamion, thanks :)
[07:24] <TMM> Nafallo, my evangelism for normal users has gotten a little bit out of hand :)
[07:24] <Nafallo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/5.10/release/
[07:24] <pvanhoof> Anyway, I informed our Sales dude about ubuntu-fr.org
[07:24] <Nafallo> :-)
[07:24] <TMM> Nafallo, is there a mirror? it's not loading...
[07:25] <Nafallo> dunno. there should be a list of them somewhere...
[07:26] <TMM> Nafallo, I'll just dig around a bit then, thanks a bundle!
[07:26] <zyga> hmm
[07:26] <zyga> since when do we mount /lib/modues/`uname -r`/volatile over tmpfs
[07:28] <Nafallo> TMM: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[07:29] <Nafallo> looks empty :-P
[07:29] <infinity> zyga : Since we devised volatile?
[07:30] <zyga> good answer, my question was bad
[07:30] <zyga> why do we do it? :)
[07:30] <infinity> To avoid shipping GPL-incompatible modules linked with the kernel.
[07:31] <infinity> They get linked on boot instead.
[07:31] <infinity> See /sbin/lrm-manager
[07:31] <zyga> :-)
[07:31] <Kamion> ogra: you will have to do all of the DVD testing
[07:31] <Kamion> I can't give it any more time
[07:31] <zyga> I see GPL 3 explicitly prohibiting this ;-))
[07:31] <ogra> Kamion, thast why i bought a writer...
[07:32] <Kamion> ogra: you definitely need to get more volunteers to help with testing before the next time we have to do this
[07:32] <Kamion> this has been far too drawn-out and painful
[07:32] <ogra> Kamion, or more HW, i simplyhave no amd64 and ppc around...
[07:32] <infinity> More people is better anyway.
[07:32] <Kamion> trust me, go for more people more importantly
[07:32] <infinity> Different testers test differently sand find different bugs.
[07:32] <infinity> s/sand/and/
[07:32] <ogra> ppc == GFs workplace, i'll trysh it today :/
[07:33] <ogra> Kamion, if i have to do the next release as one man show again, i'll give up on edubuntu... but i suspect we'll attract soem people soon
[07:35] <ogra> Kamion, its was never planned that you do this much testing for me, i'd have expected some help from others here too
[07:35] <bddebian> ogra: :'-(
[07:36] <Amaranth> hey jdub you scare the shit out of the KDE guys, way to go ;)
[07:37] <bddebian> hehe
[07:37] <TMM> Nafallo, thanks :)
[07:38] <TMM> all ubuntu.com stuff is rather sluggish, I wonder how THAT can be? :)
[07:38] <sivang> Happy release day everyone!!!
[07:41] <infinity> mdz : Was it you that just REJECTED all the pending universe binary builds?
[07:41] <Riddell> Amaranth: how does he do that?
[07:41] <mdz> infinity: nope
[07:41] <Amaranth> Riddell: http://www.realistanew.com/random/kde-boston2005.txt
[07:41] <infinity> Weird.  The buildds just got a mess of REJECTED for the last few universe uploads that were made at the 0-hour yesterday.
[07:42] <elmo> because I just rejected them?
[07:42] <infinity> Ah.
[07:43] <Riddell> Amaranth: who put that up?
[07:43] <Amaranth> Riddell: well, that's my website
[07:43] <Amaranth> Riddell: I
[07:43] <Amaranth> err, I'd rather not say where i got it originally
[07:43] <Riddell> Amaranth: where did you get it from?
[07:45] <infinity> elmo : I assumed you were letting binary builds trickle in for a bit, s'all.
[07:46] <infinity> (for universe, that is, obviously not for main)
[07:46] <elmo> infinity: dude, I did - for like t+12 hours 
[07:46] <elmo> the REJECTs you just got were all for NEW stuff
[07:46] <fabbione> elmo: thanks a lot for all your work! you ROCK!
[07:47] <bddebian> jbailey: ;-)
[07:47] <dholbach> jbailey: i like him that way... fabbione: you ROCK too :)
[07:47] <infinity> elmo : Yeah, I know it was sitting in NEW.  No big deal.
[07:47] <infinity> (not like I much care, was more just curious)
[07:48] <sabdfl> maswan: you are a superstar for your mirror
[07:49] <maswan> about 10TB so far, it seems. some of that (probably 1-2TB) is not ubuntu though, but the rest. :)
[07:50] <maswan> lots of breezy goodness
[07:51] <Nafallo> or atleast make all of EU's CC. go to se. till we find some :-P
[07:52] <rob^^^> hrmm
[07:52] <rob^^^> I did a dist-upgrade -y and it still prompted me to restart services :(
[07:53] <ogra> Kamion, was that a pass for all three installs on ppc ?
[07:56] <maswan> sabdfl: and thanks, we do our best. I think the netadmins here will be happy for the stresstest we gave them too. :)
[07:56] <sabdfl> i dont even want to think what your internal switches must look like
[07:56] <sabdfl> black magic
[07:56] <fabbione> elmo: is http on ports.u.c down??
[07:57] <fabbione> elmo: i get connection timeout 
[07:57] <fabbione> or is it just busy to death?
[07:57] <fabbione> Znarl: ^^
[07:58] <\sh> I'll think I'll ask our dc managers if it's possible to setup an ubuntu mirror at ISH...
[07:58] <HiddenWolf_> Damnit, 5.10 broke my laptop
[07:59] <blueyed> Thanks! :)
[07:59] <fabbione> HiddenWolf_: no. your laptop broke 5.10
[07:59] <HiddenWolf_> fabbione, I had a laptop that could connect over ppp to the internet on 5.04, and now it won't. :P
[08:00] <fabbione> HiddenWolf_: that's becasue 5.10 is too 31337 for your lappy
[08:00] <fabbione> ;)
[08:00] <\sh> ubuntu just works (TM)
[08:00] <HiddenWolf_> fabbione, and pon gives that poor laptop an ipv6 IP on a ipv4 network.
[08:01] <Znarl> fabbione : It's just terribly slow right now.
[08:01] <fabbione> HiddenWolf_: nononono.. the IPv6 address you see it's probably a fe80:: something. That's normal
[08:01] <fabbione> Znarl: ok thanks! i am much more happy to know that's slow :)
[08:01] <infinity> elmo : Did you catch Kamion's patch to turn on breezy-security in backscroll?
[08:01] <fabbione> HiddenWolf_: and interfaces can share more than just one protocol
[08:02] <infinity> elmo : Ahh, obviously you got it fixed, since wanna-build's now happy.  Nevermind.
[08:04] <HiddenWolf_> fabbione, running pppoeconf, ok > pon ok, > ping google not ok.
[08:04] <dredg> i can assure you that google is up :)
[08:05] <infinity> HiddenWolf_ : pppoeconf may not always upgrade terribly cleanly.  Try removing all the pppoe-related stuff from /etc/network/interfaces, then pppoeconf.
[08:05] <HiddenWolf_> dredg, yup, so my eth0 is not. :)
[08:05] <fabbione> HiddenWolf_: check the routing and see if you can actually resolve names
[08:05] <elmo> fabbione: it's busy
[08:05] <fabbione> elmo: yup.. fine with that :))
[08:08] <maswan> fabbione: just busy, I've seen a few similar reports on security.u.c too.
[08:08] <juliux> ogra, ping
[08:08] <ogra> juliux, see /msg :)
[08:09] <HiddenWolf_> infinity, I'll try that.
[08:11] <elmo> redirecting s.u.c to a less busy host
[08:11] <elmo> I'll do the same for ports in a sec
[08:14] <spayne> what is up with gb.archive.ubuntu.com?
[08:14] <spayne> DoS?
[08:15] <elmo> spayne: we released something called breezy today - maybe you heard of it?
[08:15] <speel> spayne, ubuntu = very popular + servers = overloaded
[08:15] <spayne> elmo: somehow - i must have :)
[08:15] <spayne> elmo: just wondering if there was anything particular up or just the huge load?
[08:16] <spayne> elmo: since i made a 1 in 16000 contribution, i know about it :)
[08:16] <speel> i hope the servers come back to life soon lol
[08:18] <\sh> bddebian: we love u, too :)
[08:18] <bddebian> :-)
[08:24] <\sh> JaneW: thx for the pictures of the edubuntu cake...now I'm hungry again
[08:24] <Nafallo> cake?
[08:25] <\sh> http://www.flickr.com/photos/13916877@N00/
[08:25] <Nafallo> I want one of those! :-(
[08:26] <Nafallo> :-)
[08:26] <HiddenWolf> fabbione: I got rpppoe to connect, but it doesn't come up on boot.
[08:26] <HiddenWolf> infinity: any idea. ^^
[08:28] <Lathiat> haha thast awesome
[08:28] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: did you re-run pppoeconf?
[08:28] <Lathiat> and make sure you cleared interfaces first?
[08:28] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat: cleared as in 'erased' ?
[08:28] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: noooo
[08:28] <Lathiat> hi	as in, delete dthe ppp related stuff out of it
[08:28] <Lathiat> gah sslag
[08:29] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat: everything about ppp and dsl-provider?
[08:29] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: yes
[08:29] <bddebian> Wow, not to be a pig but Jane is an attractive woman. :-)
[08:30] <Lathiat> i think bddebian wants some edubuntu cake ;p
[08:31] <jbailey> bddebian: "Not to be a pig, but I"m going to be anyway..." sort of thing? =)
[08:32] <bddebian> jbailey: Uhm, yeah apparently :-)
[08:32] <Lathiat> http://stats.sunet.se/stat-q/plot-all/umea2.umea-srp,2005-10--13,raw,traffic-kbit
[08:32] <Lathiat> wow, still running full ball
[08:32] <Lathiat> i wonder how long till it starts to fall off
[08:32] <Lathiat> and i wonder what canonicals mirrors are doing
[08:32] <jbailey> bddebian: Just so we're clear on the concept ;)
[08:33] <hidde> Lathiat I can run pppoeconf, but I have to manually run pon anyway
[08:33] <maswan> Lathiat: even worse, but with a limit of 750Mbit/s.
[08:33] <bddebian> Bah, she's away anyway.. ;-P
[08:34] <Lathiat> maswan: hrm?
[08:34] <Kamion> ogra: hmm
[08:34] <ogra> Kamion, did you run all three tests for ppc already ? 
[08:34] <Kamion> ogra: so, powerpc/edubuntu/default fails at "Build LTSP chroot", because there's no 'linux' package on powerpc
[08:35] <ogra> f*ck
[08:35] <ogra> Kamion, why is that ? dont we have a kernel on ppc ?
[08:35] <maswan> Lathiat: the uk ones only have 750Mbit/s network capacity. and I think they have worse load than we have.
[08:35] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat: any idea?
[08:35] <Lathiat> maswan: oh, right
[08:36] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: what have you done?
[08:36] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: removed it all and reran pppoeconf?
[08:36] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat: yup
[08:36] <Lathiat> if that didnt work, please pastebin me your interfaces file
[08:36] <Kamion> ogra: hardly :-P
[08:36] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat: one sec
[08:36] <Kamion> ogra: linux-powerpc and linux-powerpc64 are not compatible; unlike other architectures, there's no generic kernel that fits both
[08:37] <Znarl> We're still stuck on 750Megabits.
[08:37] <ogra> Kamion, damned...
[08:37] <ogra> mdz, ping ? 
[08:37] <Kamion> so, I can complete the rest of the install fine, I think
[08:38] <ogra> Kamion, does it throw you back to the menu or does it just fail and go on ? 
[08:38] <Kamion> ogra: it throws me back to the menu; I have to skip the step and carry on
[08:38] <ogra> hmm, ok
[08:38] <Kamion> I assume nobody's ever tested powerpc before
[08:39] <ogra> i wonder if i can release such broken stuff...
[08:39] <Lathiat> i suppose mac minis could make ok thin clients or something :)
[08:39] <ogra> Kamion, you did iirc around preview, but there ltsp-client-builder was nonexistent
[08:41] <ogra> \sh, in the US macs are popular
[08:41] <bddebian> Nahhh :-)
[08:41] <\sh> ogra: but US != the World
[08:41] <Lathiat> \sh: but US  part of the world
[08:41] <ogra> \sh, k12ltsp is among ourtarget audience
[08:41] <Lathiat> err =
[08:41] <bddebian> Of course Mac == Intel now anyway right? :-)
[08:42] <Lathiat> altho i tend to think of it as its own world sometimes :)
[08:42] <ogra> bddebian, that doesnt save my release
[08:42] <\sh> and well...the amarok 1.3.3 crashes are annoying now
[08:42] <maswan> Lathiat: if we had enough resources to totally satisfy demand? anywhere from 4-10Gbit/s, I guess.
[08:42] <Lathiat> \sh: yes, i downgraded
[08:42] <bddebian> ogra: I know sorry.  I wish I still had a PowerPC box so I could help :-(
[08:42] <Lathiat> \sh: thank god we didnt do that
[08:42] <Lathiat> maswan: yeh thats what i was thinking
[08:42] <ogra> bddebian, nothing you can help with... the final iso is broken
[08:43] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, you need /etc/interfaces/network ?
[08:43] <\sh> Lathiat: the best decision ever..but cost a lot 
[08:43] <Lathiat> maswan: bets on how long till it starts dropping noticably? :) was 24h or so last time no?
[08:43] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: yes
[08:43] <Lathiat> \sh: cost what?
[08:43] <Lathiat> not driving me insane? :)
[08:43] <\sh> Lathiat: my braincells
[08:43] <maswan> Lathiat: my guess, in 2-6 hours, since by then it will be night.
[08:44] <mdz> ogra: yes?
[08:44] <ogra> mdz, any hint for me what i can do now ?
[08:44] <Lathiat> maswan: mm but this is a worldwide thing after all
[08:44] <mdz> ogra: what have you done so far?
[08:44] <Nafallo> maswan: ... and other people wake up... ;-)
[08:44] <ogra> mdz, ppc has no package called linux o_O i didnt know that
[08:44] <maswan> Lathiat: well, still, so far it has always dropped during the european night and then picked up again.
[08:44] <Lathiat> maswan: ah ok
[08:45] <ogra> mdz, all isos are tested, pc default install fails
[08:45] <Kamion> ogra: well, it's a bug in ltsp
[08:45] <Lathiat> well, i should goto bed its 2:50am and i have to leave for uni at 8 :\
[08:45] <maswan> Lathiat: for ubuntu, debian, and others.
[08:45] <Kamion> ogra: *powerpc*, not pc :)
[08:45] <ogra> Kamion, err, yes sorry
[08:45] <ogra> mdz, what Kamion said
[08:45] <mdz> ogra: ok, so powerpc is a bust
[08:46] <mdz> ogra: i386 and amd64 are all pass?
[08:46] <ogra> mdz, workstation install is fine... but thats not what you get by default
[08:46] <ogra> mdz, yup
[08:46] <Kamion> ogra: you have basically two choices: document the bug and live with the ltsp chroot being broken, or don't release the image
[08:46] <mdz> ok, then we can release with i386 and amd64
[08:46] <Kamion> I'm not sure whether the first is an option
[08:46] <ogra> Kamion, thats what i wanted to hear from mdz :)
[08:46] <Kamion> mdz: I've tested amd64 and it's fine; ogra (and others, I think) tested i386
[08:46] <ogra> yup
[08:46] <Kamion> powerpc workstation and server are fine but the default is broken
[08:46] <mdz> let's do it, then
[08:47] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3042
[08:47] <mdz> we also need to announce ubuntu-server
[08:47] <ogra> mdz, wipe ppc or note it in the install notes ?
[08:47] <Kamion> ogra: amd64 and i386 only
[08:47] <ogra> ok
[08:47] <Kamion> mdz: I've not had time to do further ubuntu-server testing
[08:47] <ogra> can we keep the ppc iso around anywhere ? 
[08:47] <mdz> Kamion: you have new images with the corrected text?
[08:47] <Kamion> mdz: yes
[08:47] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: wow thats fucked up broken :(
[08:48] <mdz> Kamion: if so, I'll sanity-check them
[08:48] <Lathiat> hid	sigh
[08:48] <Kamion> mdz: ubuntu-server/amd64 passed my testing earlier today
[08:48] <mdz> Kamion: I tested the previous images x3 and they were 100%
[08:48] <Kamion> I have not tested i386 or powerpc
[08:48] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: i'll try look at fixing pppoeconf for -updates
[08:48] <mdz> i386, powerpc and amd64
[08:48] <mdz> yesterday
[08:48] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, the s on the first line is a typo, btw
[08:48] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: yeh, 
[08:48] <ogra> mdz, i have the DVD x86 here now, how much time do i have left for that and amd64 DVD (still need to download that one) ?
[08:48] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: well for now, move that pre-up above auto eth0
[08:48] <Kamion> ogra: I can keep it somewhere on cdimage, I suppose
[08:49] <Kamion> ogra: DVDs can be released separately later
[08:49] <mdz> ugh, rsync servers are busy
[08:49] <ogra> Kamion, great, in case someone wants it i can point him/her here with a hint
[08:49] <Nafallo> mdz: everything is buzy :-).
[08:49] <mdz> ogra: please don't
[08:49] <ogra> Kamion, yes, but i wanted to know when )
[08:49] <mdz> ogra: don't publish anything to anyone until it has been tested
[08:49] <Nafallo> except the buildds ;-)
[08:50] <\sh> ogra: as I said, downloading the amd64/i386 dvd iso..and I think tomorrow morning in the office, I'll burn at least i386 and test
[08:50] <ogra> mdz, ok, so we'll wipe it completely, fine with me ...
[08:50] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, so it's not me then? :)
[08:50] <ogra> \sh, concentrate on amd64, i already have x86 here
[08:50] <mdz> ogra: just wait until it can be tested
[08:50] <Kamion> ogra: tomorrow
[08:50] <\sh> ogra: amd64 will be a pain...but I'll ask henning 
[08:50] <Kamion> >= tomorrow, anyway
[08:50] <mdz> ogra: assuming you're talking about the DVD.  the powerpc stuff should be taken down
[08:50] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: ok so, try moving that pre-up above the auto eth0 line
[08:50] <ogra> mdz, ah, you talk about the DVD
[08:50] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: let me know if that works
[08:50] <ogra> mdz, sorry, i'm slow
[08:51] <\sh> ogra: he owes me some favours
[08:51] <Lathiat> hid	that might work
[08:51] <ogra> \sh, just bring it with you tomorrow... i'll pay the beer then ;)
[08:51] <ogra> \sh, i'll wipe my laptop for the test :/
[08:51] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: can you mail lathiat at ubuntu.com if that works, im going to bed
[08:51] <\sh> ogra: k...no problem 
[08:51] <\sh> ogra: but the beer is mine
[08:52] <\sh> ogra: I'll pay dude
[08:52] <ogra> ok ok
[08:52] <\sh> ogra: u'll pay the food ,-)
[08:52] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat,  let me see what a reboot does
[08:52] <ogra> \sh, fine as well
[08:52] <ogra> :)
[08:52] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, a minute or 2
[08:53] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: eh,, ok
[08:53] <ogra> Kamion, so can you publish ? i'll edit the announcement accordingly
[08:53] <\sh> ogra: and your shirt just came out of the washing machine :) so it's fresh when I return it to you :)
[08:54] <ogra> hehe
[08:55] <Kamion> ogra: in progress
[08:55] <ogra> yay
[08:55] <Lathiat> ouch, a.u.c really is getting eaten alive, 1.6K/s :\
[08:56] <ivoks> hi guys
[08:56] <maswan> Lathiat: be happy that you didn't get a timeout
[08:56] <ivoks> who's admin of lists.ubuntu.com?
[08:56] <Lathiat> maswan: heh
[08:56] <Lathiat> 480B/s, woo. :)
[08:57] <maswan> btw, elmo and Znarl: feel free to yank the other DC IP from releases.u.c, we seem to be doing fine here.
[08:59] <Kamion> meh, I hate that stupid publish-release bug
[08:59] <hidde> Lathiat: works nicely
[08:59] <maswan> Kamion: oh, we're still trying to get ubuntu-server. I think we have kubunty since 4 hours or so though.
[08:59] <Kamion> maswan: eek!
[08:59] <Lathiat> hidde: ah sweet thanks
[08:59] <Lathiat> hidde: can you mail me so i dont forget
[09:00] <hidde> Lathiat: i will when I'm back at my own pc. :)
[09:00] <maswan> Kamion: Yeah, we've been syncing all day. A good moment, we might get as much as 40k/s, but 20k/s is closer to typical rate.
[09:01] <Kamion> ouch
[09:01] <Kamion> I'd hoped the pre-publishing would sort out most of it, but evidently it just wasn't nearly enough time
[09:02] <maswan> it was fine for ubuntu, but by the time we were half-way through kubuntu, it slowed to a crawl.
[09:02] <maswan> well, almost done with kubuntu (only ppc left)
[09:02] <Kamion> ogra: syncing out to mirrors now
[09:03] <Kamion> (just symlink changes, metafiles, and removals)
[09:03] <ogra> yippie
[09:03] <HiddenWolf_> Oh my
[09:03] <Kamion> powerpc effectively disappeared, although the daily build is still there
[09:03] <maswan> Kamion: average over 100 seconds: 26214 bytes/s
[09:04] <HiddenWolf_> Oh no. :S
[09:04] <pitti> congrats ogra!
[09:05] <ogra> pitti, thanks :)
[09:05] <HiddenWolf_> Oh no^2 - I sent this guy from Tectonic.co.za an email, and he published it!
[09:05] <tankenmate> anyone had any problems with the stock amd64 install kernel? I'm have weird oops'es in memremap(). I've run memtest86 for 6 hours, and only one random glitch, but then kernel crashes everytime, a weird heisen / bohr bug combination...
[09:05] <Kamion> ogra: you'll have to wait until releases.u.c gets it throughout, though, and as above the Swedish mirror is behind
[09:06] <Kamion> maswan: if there's any way you could do a special catchup on edubuntu/ (should be quick), we'd all be very appreciative
[09:06] <ogra> Kamion, yup.. i'll wait 
[09:06] <maswan> Kamion: I'll try
[09:06] <Kamion> thanks
[09:07] <tankenmate> no kernel hackers about?
[09:08] <\sh> Kamion: do u have a topo map of official ubuntu mirrors handy?
[09:08] <Kamion> \sh: no
[09:08] <Nafallo> trulux: did you grab my new-built ubuntu1 package? :-)
[09:08] <trulux> heya Nafallo !
[09:08] <trulux> Nafallo: going to do that right now
[09:08] <trulux> :)
[09:08] <trulux> good job
[09:08] <Nafallo> trulux: morning. no problem :-)
[09:08] <maswan> Kamion: probably done now, ogra should probably check though.
[09:09] <HiddenWolf_> I'm so embarrased.
[09:09] <ogra> maswan, will do, thanks
[09:09] <\sh> Kamion: k
[09:09] <tankenmate> anyone done a debian -> ubuntu cross dist-update? i don't have a working ubuntu machine (only debian), and i need to make a custom installer.
[09:09] <\sh> let's try to setup a mirror tomorrow somehow in our DC to serve at least our cable customers
[09:10] <\sh> and ask henning to upgrade mvo's mta config
[09:11] <ogra> \sh, giggle ... giving him 5Mbit for free ?
[09:11] <\sh> ogra: that's the plan...but we have as well some 10mbit configs handy...and we need some testers ;)
[09:12] <HiddenWolf_> Kamion, mdz sabdfl, sorry. :$
[09:14] <bddebian> HiddenWolf_: ??
[09:14] <ivoks> so..
[09:14] <ivoks> we have nasty bug
[09:14] <ivoks> internet is to narrow for ubuntu :)
[09:14] <bddebian> ivoks: hehe
[09:14] <HiddenWolf_> bddebian, I sent an email to a reporter for tectonic.co.za, and he published it, fairly unedited. :P
[09:14] <bddebian> HiddenWolf_: A "good" one I hope :-)
[09:15] <trulux> Nafallo: done!
[09:15] <\sh> HiddenWolf_: link? ,-)
[09:15] <HiddenWolf_> Yes, but I'm suddenly a "contributer ... wealth of information and help .. " etc
[09:15] <HiddenWolf_> \sh, http://www.tectonic.co.za/
[09:16] <HiddenWolf_> 3rd article
[09:16] <HiddenWolf_> 3 articles on ubuntu/edubuntu/breezy there
[09:16] <mdz> HiddenWolf_: I don't see anything wrong with the information you provided
[09:16] <\sh> HiddenWolf_: tell them Breezy is named Ubuntu 5.10 and not 10.5
[09:16] <HiddenWolf_> mdz, wasn't supposed to go online in raw version. I sent the guy a mail with what I thought why ubuntu rocked so he could write a good review. He made an article out of it
[09:17] <HiddenWolf_> \sh, I did, twice. :P
[09:17] <ivoks> mdz: happy bday (sorry, i'm late)
[09:17] <mdz> ivoks: thanks ;-)
[09:17] <jbailey> It just makes us cooler than RH9 =)
[09:17] <HiddenWolf_> \sh, Hi Jason,
[09:17] <HiddenWolf_> We talked earlier, and I promised to send you an email about the
[09:17] <HiddenWolf_> upcoming Ubuntu 5.10 release.
[09:17] <HiddenWolf_> Just to be marginally smarter than the average review, the development
[09:17] <HiddenWolf_> nicknames are just that, and the name is 5.10 from release onward.
[09:18] <HiddenWolf_> \sh, still he gets it wrong
[09:18] <ogra> Kamion, somehow the preview image is still in the download dirs...
[09:18] <trulux> Nafallo: got time to work together with me on some pakages?
[09:20] <\sh> wow...
[09:20] <\sh> http://www.tectonic.co.za/view.php?id=645
[09:20] <\sh> "Although I'm not a big Wine user (there's very little in Windows that I use for which there isn't an equivalent open source app), other users have been impressed with the Wine support, which loads Windows apps much more reliably and without the usual large amounts of tweaking. You now can double-click on a Windows .exe file in the file manager and it just loads. "
[09:21] <\sh> i didn't even know, that wine was working ,-) I tried to test, but my tax software never worked 
[09:26] <ivoks> ah, it's wonderfull to be a part of ubuntu team
[09:26] <crimsun> :-)
[09:26] <trulux> Nafallo: http://www.debian-hardened.org/doku.php/ubuntu_hardened_todo
[09:28] <trulux> is pitti around?
[09:32] <\sh> elmo: don't worry about the syncs...I knew it was late :) but thx anyways for your great help :)
[09:39] <kikidonk> congrats for breezy !
[09:41] <andred> Hmm, is it just me, or does Firefox in Breezy not remember it's window position between launches?
[09:42] <hamilton> why doesn't http://releases.ubuntu.com/breezy/ have links to the dvd torrents?
[09:43] <ompaul> andred, I to not think it is just you
[09:44] <andred> ompaul, Ok, good. I believe this behaviour started with Breezy, because in Hoary I'm pretty sure the position was remembered.
[09:47] <ompaul>  same in xfce as gnome
[09:49] <Kamion> ogra: it's not there on the master, so that means that the mirror is not completely synced yet
[09:49] <Kamion> hamilton: yes, I know - I'll fix that at some point, I've just been run off my feet today and haven't had time yet
[09:49] <Kamion> will sort it out tomorrow morning
[09:50] <ogra> Kamion, http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ isnt the master ? 
[09:50] <maswan> ogra: want me to re-run the edubuntu part with --delete and hope it won't get anything else?
[09:50] <maswan> ogra: no, that's just a mirror
[09:50] <ogra> yup, that'd be nice
[09:50] <maswan> ogra: the primary mirror[s] , but still mirrors
[09:50] <ogra> i dont want to send the announcement with the preview in there :)
[09:51] <maswan> ogra: ok, gone.
[09:51] <Kamion> ogra: little is the master
[09:51] <ogra> ah, yes
[09:51] <Kinnison> Kamion: oh, you're still around
[09:51] <Kamion> about to leave, but yeah
[09:51] <maswan> oo, .ubuntu-server-5.10-install-amd64.iso is up to 400 megs soon. soon the first iso there will be over here
[09:52] <\sh> ogra: amd64 dvd iso ETA 11h
[09:52] <ogra> \sh, thanks a lot :)
[09:52] <\sh> jumping between 30 and 60k
[09:52] <ogra> \sh, does that fit in your travelling plans ? 
[09:52] <\sh> same applies for i386 dvd...
[09:53] <ogra> no need for i386 ... i got it here
[09:53] <\sh> ogra: hehe...sure :) I'll have to work tomorrow morning at least till 15 or 16h
[09:53] <\sh> ogra: but I need it :) 
[09:53] <ogra> heh, k
[09:53] <\sh> ogra: or, anyways...I need to trash 47h extra hours
[09:54] <\sh> ogra: so it can be that I'm even earlier at your place...
[09:55] <ogra> fine with me
[09:55] <\sh> and I have to talk to amu...to have something like "we don't include your ip in the monthly traffic calculation for provider servereyes.de"
[09:56] <\sh> so i can set up some torrent trackers ;) 
[09:56] <\sh> or even provide all the isos via http/ftp
[09:58] <ogra> :)
[09:58] <\sh> ogra: and include this to your release announcement ;) http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/
[09:59] <mdz> Kamion: -server i386 successful, amd64 in stage 2, powerpc trying desperately to get a Packages file from us.archive
[10:01] <Kamion> mdz: ok, I'll go out now and if it's all working when I get back I'll do a release
[10:01] <Kamion> thanks for testing those
[10:01] <mdz> Kamion: sounds good, enjoy the evening
[10:01] <\sh> Kamion: have fun and relax :) 
[10:02] <bddebian> Yeah Kamion, great work :-)
[10:04] <nomed> i would just say you all great work :)
[10:04] <nomed> cu
[10:08] <seb128> moyogo: around?
[10:09] <moyogo> seb128: yes
[10:09] <seb128> moyogo: I'm sorry but I'm not competent about fonts and I don't know what to do about https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17248
[10:09] <seb128> I'm not even sure to understand the issue
[10:10] <seb128> do you have some screenshoot of what's wrong and we can do to make it better?
[10:10] <seb128> better you could do a spec on the wiki for that so it can be discussed at the next conf ... ?
[10:10] <moyogo> seb128: yes, I realized it wasn't very clear
[10:11] <moyogo> seb128: but the issue is mainly that pango has no support at all for GPOS and GSUB for latin/greek/cyrillic
[10:12] <moyogo> seb128: the last patch (gzipped btw) simply allows pango to use them sometimes
[10:12] <moyogo> seb128: it works with some fonts and not with others
[10:12] <seb128> that's the same issue than the GNOME bug you pointed right?
[10:12] <seb128> according to the comments there is some bug on it upstream
[10:13] <mdz> ogra: congratulations and well done
[10:13] <seb128> we could just wait for pango to fix that?
[10:13] <moyogo> seb128: yes... there's a patch upstream too
[10:13] <seb128> mdz: Hi, happy birthday :)
[10:13] <dieman> heh
[10:14] <dieman> nearly *all* the downloads are i386 live and install right now
[10:14] <moyogo> seb128: the patch works right now, i just need to clean up the g_print calls, pango might just wait for the patch to be complete
[10:14] <seb128> moyogo: let's wait for upstream to fix it so :p
[10:14] <dieman> a ppc in there too
[10:14] <mdz> seb128: thanks :-)
[10:14] <Nafallo> dieman: no amd64? :-)
[10:14] <moyogo> seb128: i'll try to push it upstream, but they might want the whole issue to be fixed, when the patch already fixes some of it
[10:15] <dieman> Nafallo: yeah, some of that too
[10:15] <dieman> Nafallo: most of it i386 though, just a smattering of ppc and amd64
[10:15] <moyogo> seb128: with the patch I'm able to get diacritics at the right place on uppercase letters when the OpenType font defines it
[10:15] <dieman> i wish we would get java and flash for amd64 soon here
[10:15] <dieman> sun not doing 64 bit plugins for flash is isnane
[10:15] <Nafallo> sun?
[10:15] <moyogo> mdz: happy bday
[10:16] <dieman> s/flash/java/
[10:16] <Nafallo> dieman: well, we do have j2re1.4 in multiverse :-P
[10:16] <seb128> moyogo: they do that because usually when people have a 90% working patch applied they don't keep working to clean the 10 uneeded % :p
[10:16] <Nafallo> mdz: happy birthday btw! :-D
[10:17] <ajmitch> morning all
[10:17] <seb128> hi ajmitch
[10:17] <Nafallo> morning ajmitch :-)
[10:18] <moyogo> seb128: the 90% would be usefull for some languages and with half of the good OpenType fonts, the 10% remain persant I am commited to, since it is necessary for the other half of the very few fonts and IPA stuff
[10:18] <moyogo> percent*
[10:19] <moyogo> seb128: but behdad is on it too, so there's more hope
[10:19] <moyogo> seb128: besides the bug is getting old, it's about time we fix it
[10:19] <seb128> cool, you guys seem to be working on it, it'll probably be fixed before 6.04 so :)
[10:20] <moyogo> definitely
[10:20] <moyogo> you should look into graphite too, some languages will require it
[10:20] <something_else> whats changed with hal in breezy?
[10:21] <moyogo> i't be nice to have some silgraphite working for 6.04
[10:21] <something_else> the real question is do some devices have to be registered with hal if not specified by breezy?
[10:26] <diamond> lo folks
[10:27] <bddebian> Hello diamond
[10:28] <ajmitch> hi
[10:28] <diamond> i have an issue with my laptop here, it keeps going to into suspend. when i bring it back, it suspends again about a minute later
[10:29] <diamond> i'm only uptodate with the rc release, didn't want to touch things if debugging is required
[10:29] <diamond> is this a known issue? (bugzilla hasn't shown up anything for me yet)
[10:30] <something_else> this must be a bug - gnome-volume-manager in breezy thinks an external usb hard disk is not removable :|
[10:30] <something_else> which is true to some extent ...
[10:32] <mdke> something_else, best to check bugzilla for gnome or Ubuntu
[10:33] <something_else> ok
[10:37] <something_else> im no good at searching bugs
[11:15] <\sh> good night gentlemen...and thanks for this wonderful release...
[11:15] <Nafallo> night \sh :-)
[11:24] <mdz> moyogo,Nafally: thank you
[11:25] <bddebian> Oh, Happy B-Day and Release mdz :-)
[11:25] <mdz> bddebian: happy bday from bddebian ;-)
[11:26] <ajmitch> hello mdz, happy birthday :)
[11:26] <bddebian> Did I say that already?
[11:28] <Nafallo> hihi
[11:29] <trulux> good night fellows
[11:30] <bddebian> Gnight trulux
[11:30] <ajmitch> night trulux 
[11:30] <trulux> Nafallo: I hope to find pitti available tomorrow, I'll try to bring a working tarball of the new vsec stuff
[11:30] <trulux> ajmitch: 'nite!
[11:31] <Nafallo> trulux: I'm happy to build it on amd64 :-)
[11:31] <dieman> babahaha, the EU is saying they might break the internet next month.
[11:31] <Nafallo> where IS that info from? :-)
[11:32] <mdz> ajmitch: thanks
[11:32] <dieman> via slashdot, the guardian
[11:32] <mdz> Kamion: ubuntu-server isos are gold
[11:32] <dieman> "EU says internet could fall apart"
[11:32] <dieman> its all about dns anyhow
[11:36] <Nafallo> ah
[11:38] <dooglus> hi.  is it a bug that "shadow"'s configure.in tries to make debian/Makefile when no debian/Makefile.in exists?
[11:39] <dooglus> when I configure, I see "config.status: error: cannot find input file: debian/Makefile.in"
[11:40] <ogra> night all
[11:40] <bddebian> Gnight ogra, Congrats and Good Work! :-)
[11:40] <ogra> thanks :)
[11:41] <dooglus> I'm wondering whether to report it or not.
[11:42] <Riddell> are the DVDs released?
[11:43] <bddebian> Not last I knew
[11:43] <bddebian> But I don't know shit ;-)
[11:43] <Riddell> ok, that explains why I can't see them then 
[11:44] <dooglus> there's going to be a DVD?  like "ubuntu the movie"?
[11:44] <Nafallo> dooglus: yepp :-)
[11:45] <Nafallo> dooglus: no, but live and install in one place ;-)
[11:48] <bddebian> dooglus: :-)
[11:49] <azeem> congrats for the release
[11:52] <dooglus> are all bugs going to launchpad now, rather than bugzilla?