[12:02] <LaserJock> http://www.chem.unr.edu/~mantha/ubuntu/python-scipy_0.3.2-7ubuntu1.debdiff
[12:03] <Unfrgiven> \sh: hi dude
[12:06] <doko> slomo: Are you Christian Droege?
[12:06] <sistpoty> he is
[12:06] <slomo> doko: that's my brother
[12:06] <slomo> doko: i'm sebastian
[12:07] <sistpoty> hehe... damn reading too fast *g*
[12:07] <sistpoty> sorry
[12:07] <doko> slomo: and his nick?
[12:07] <slomo> doko: he's Hirion_
[12:07] <\sh> LaserJock: what is 7ubuntu1 ?
[12:08] <LaserJock> what do you mean?
[12:08] <Hirion_> doko: ?
[12:08] <\sh> LaserJock: we have only 3ubuntu3 in our archives
[12:08] <LaserJock> I know that is why it is FTBFS
[12:08] <doko> Hirion_: it doesn't make sense to shout "me to" in bug reports, please add information, _how_ you can produce the stack trace
[12:09] <\sh> ok..then tell me, I have to grab debian sources and merge ;)
[12:09] <LaserJock> sorry
[12:09] <Unfrgiven> slomo: im just finishing off the worked example section. ill upload a newer version shortly. thanks for all your help so far by the way.
[12:09] <\sh> LaserJock: np
[12:09] <LaserJock> I just debdiffed from what we had
[12:10] <\sh> LaserJock: u mean u debdiffed from 3ubuntu3?
[12:10] <LaserJock> yes
[12:10] <\sh> ug
[12:10] <\sh> can u debdiff from -7 ?
[12:10] <LaserJock> yes
[12:10] <\sh> thx
[12:11] <Hirion_> doko: sorry. I only started eclipse and I had the same result as the bug reporter (I didn't do anything else)
[12:11] <LaserJock> try it now
[12:11] <slomo> Unfrgiven: ok, the package is ready so far
[12:12] <\sh> LaserJock: is it the debdiff or the diff.gz?
[12:12] <\sh> argl...forget it
[12:13] <\sh> wrong stuff in cnp buffer
[12:13] <LaserJock> The debdiff is from the Debian -7 to my -7ubuntu1
[12:14] <\sh> LaserJock: K
[12:14] <\sh> LaserJock: just building insight and then python-scipy testbuild
[12:14] <LaserJock> ok, thx
[12:14] <slomo> \sh, sistpoty: i need you two soon to advocate that package ;) and you seem to be the only people awake atm...
[12:15] <\sh> slomo: k
[12:15] <sistpoty> slomo: I'm no motu yet... (but I have admin-rights on revu *g*)
[12:15] <sistpoty> slomo: but if it's ok, I'll take a look
[12:15] <sistpoty> hi mbreit
[12:15] <slomo> sistpoty: ok... nevermind ;)
[12:15] <slomo> mbreit: i need you soon :P
[12:15] <\sh> slomo: which name?
[12:16] <mbreit> hi all
[12:16] <slomo> \sh: wait a moment please
[12:16] <slomo> \sh: i'm currently uploading
[12:17] <mbreit> what's the current status of the release? and is there something i can do now?
[12:17] <sistpoty> slomo: when it's up, just say so, i will poke at revu then ;)
[12:17] <ogra> mbreit, grab somthing from the lists
[12:17] <\sh> mbreit: help slomo to approve one last NEW package for breezy
[12:17] <slomo> sistpoty: now
[12:18] <ogra> ftbfs or unmet deps...
[12:18] <\sh> ogra: hey...
[12:18] <ogra> hey
[12:18] <\sh> ogra: happy badger day to you ;)
[12:18] <slomo> \sh: the files themself are not the final ones... but i won't change anything except that later ;)
[12:18] <sistpoty> grml... imo something went wrong
[12:18] <mbreit> okay, then i will start with reviewing slomo's package
[12:19] <slomo> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=787
[12:19] <ogra> \sh, hehe, thanks... its soo exciting here... just copying my final CD going to test in 30min :)
[12:19] <ogra> and it looks ok i think even if its lacking features
[12:19] <sistpoty> phew... only some error because of native package :) should be all there
[12:20] <\sh> slomo: no native packages dude
[12:20] <slomo> \sh: even with this kind of stuff?
[12:20] <\sh> slomo: ay....pdf
[12:20] <slomo> \sh: non-native wouldn't make sense here imho
[12:20] <\sh> yeah
[12:20] <sistpoty> slomo: i just triggered revu-build
[12:21] <slomo> sistpoty: thanks :)
[12:21] <sistpoty> build done :)
[12:21] <\sh> ogra: I'm fixing last packages
[12:22] <ogra> i see :)
[12:22] <\sh> 1 pbuild 2 in queue
[12:22] <mbreit> slomo: looks good...
[12:22] <slomo> \sh: hehe, almost the same for me ;) 1 in pbuilder, 1 in queue and 1 on revu ;)
[12:22] <slomo> mbreit: ok, thanks for looking at it :)
[12:23] <mbreit> slomo: it could suggest to some pdf-reader... but i think it's okay now
[12:23] <slomo> mbreit: what about suggesting pdf-viewer? ;)
[12:23] <\sh> slomo: u have my ok
[12:24] <\sh> slomo: then suggest as well ooo ;)
[12:24] <mbreit> slomo: that would be good... perhaps it shoud even depend on that....
[12:24] <\sh> mbreit: no...only recommends or suggests
[12:24] <mbreit> slomo: ah, no depend... works also with ooo ;)
[12:24] <mbreit> \sh: ack
[12:25] <slomo> ok, how is the main ooo package called?
[12:25] <slomo> openoffice.org2?
[12:25] <slomo> btw, abiword and koffice should also be able to view it ;)
[12:25] <\sh> openoffice.org2
[12:26] <slomo> Suggests: pdf-viewer | openoffice.org2 | abiword | koffice
[12:26] <slomo> ok?
[12:27] <mbreit> ahhh.... is it too late to deal with lincvs? it should be synced to debian, but has been moved to unstable... so not an easy issue...
[12:27] <mbreit> s/unstable/non-free/
[12:27] <mbreit> (too late....)
[12:31] <slomo> Unfrgiven: now we're only waiting for your final release and elmo to look at NEW afterwards... i hope he does it before release...
[12:32] <mbreit> does anyone know when the release will happen?
[12:32] <ogra> some time tomorrow
[12:33] <slomo> no idea... i would guess around 14:00 CEST ;)
[12:34] <Unfrgiven> slomo: ok no probs. im just wrapping up now.
[12:37] <\sh> BURN laptop BURN
[12:37] <slomo> \sh: boson-base is evil :(
[12:37] <\sh> slomo: I was telling this every time...
[12:37] <LaserJock> \sh: BTW i'm not whitelisted yet
[12:37] <\sh> LaserJock: doesn't matter...
[12:38] <\sh> LaserJock: I won't see katie mails, nor you, but I can read -changes ;)
[12:38] <LaserJock> ok, bddebian has done stuff for me in the past and something happened because I wasn't whitelisted
[12:38] <slomo> \sh: there's new upstream... 0.11... but i don't want to update... it will probably break something :/
[12:39] <\sh> slomo: well...last time I checked new upstream...it was bundled with the old kde kdegames stuff, which didn't work either, because no gcc-4 patches ;)
[12:39] <slomo> grmpf
[12:39] <slomo> i'm currently creating the gcc 4 patches ;)
[12:39] <\sh> worldforge source is crap ;)
[12:40] <\sh> slomo: u don't want that...they should actual sources
[12:40] <\sh> +use
[12:40] <crimsun> we remove packages from $archlist on UniverseFTBFS when we've fixed them, correct?
[12:40] <slomo> \sh: well, i'll try it ;)
[12:41] <\sh> crimsun: yes
[12:41] <\sh> crimsun: but I'm too lazy ;)
[12:41] <LaserJock> so what happens to UniverseFTBFS once Breezy is released?
[12:42] <\sh> nothing...we fix it for dapper
[12:42] <\sh> but it would be nice, if we can get as muched fixed as we can
[12:42] <\sh> LaserJock: uploaded btw
[12:42] <Unfrgiven> slomo: done. http://ankur.ath.cx/ubuntu
[12:42] <LaserJock> \sh: thank you very much.
[12:42] <Unfrgiven> slomo: you'll see the odt and the pdf there
[12:43] <slomo> someone should throw some stones at the qt/kde developers... grmpf "Session management error: Could not open network socket"
[12:43] <slomo> Unfrgiven: ok, thanks :)
[12:43] <Unfrgiven> slomo: no, thank you :)
[12:43] <\sh> slomo: this is ok...it's moc stuff ;)
[12:44] <slomo> \sh: but it is annoying :P
[12:44] <slomo> Unfrgiven: give me a version number... should this be 1.0? ;)
[12:45] <crimsun> 5.10 ;)
[12:45] <Unfrgiven> slomo: yep :)
[12:45] <Unfrgiven> slomo: i just found a mistake. ill need to upload again
[12:46] <slomo> Unfrgiven: ok, just read over everything again :)
[12:48] <Unfrgiven> noob question: i want to do a sudo echo "mychroot /var/chroot" >> /etc/dchroot.conf
[12:48] <Unfrgiven> but i get permission denied
[12:48] <crimsun> incorrect syntax
[12:49] <\sh> crimsun: u rock dude :)
[12:49] <crimsun> echo "mychroot /var/chroot" | sudo tee -a /etc/dchroot.conf
[12:49] <Unfrgiven> crimsun: thanks :)
[01:01] <Unfrgiven> slomo: uploaded :)
[01:01] <slomo> Unfrgiven: final now?
[01:02] <Unfrgiven> slomo: as final as i can get it before release
[01:02] <sistpoty> ' \sh: are you collecting sync requests?
[01:02] <slomo> Unfrgiven: ok, fine :)
[01:02] <Unfrgiven> slomo: the plan is to keep working on it. dapper will have a newer version with more stuff in it.
[01:03] <Unfrgiven> what is the policy on updating packages in breezy? is backports considered to be a viable alternative to providing updates? for example if there are corrections to be made?
[01:04] <slomo> Unfrgiven: ok?
[01:04] <slomo> 2f3f141f34ac320a5391c9d142c3b516  IntroDeveloperDoc.odt
[01:04] <slomo> 4827f1cfa178b298d03ebe1852acba81  IntroDeveloperDoc.pdf
[01:05] <Unfrgiven> slomo: yep, thats what i have
[01:05] <\sh> sistpoty: please send them to elmo directly
[01:06] <slomo> Unfrgiven: ok, uploading
[01:06] <Unfrgiven> slomo: thank you so much for your help
[01:06] <slomo> np :)
[01:07] <slomo> haha, uploading two packages at once ;)
[01:07] <sistpoty> ok \sh
[01:07] <Unfrgiven> slomo: how will we know its been accepted into universe? :)
[01:08] <slomo> Unfrgiven: i'll tell you if i'm faster than breezy-changes ;)
[01:08] <Unfrgiven> slomo: thanks :)
[01:08] <Nafallo> errr... dudes.
[01:08] <Nafallo> seen this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=64629
[01:09] <slomo> wtf
[01:09] <Nafallo> I check the source... it get's worse :-P
[01:09] <slomo> yes i already looked at the sources... what is this? ;)
[01:09] <dholbach> ouch
[01:10] <mbreit> okay now: for anyone on amd64: we have _lots_ of unmet deps on amd64...
[01:10] <Nafallo> some kind of help-the-user-to-die-faster-tool
[01:10] <mbreit> amsynth, axiom, bayonne, bibletime, boa-constructor, bochs, bootcd, boson-data, boson-music, buffy, cbmlink, celementtree, commons-daemon, crystalspace-data, cyphesis-cpp, debtags-edit, eclipse, eclipse-nls-sdk, encfs, etpan-ng, euro-support, gcc-defaults
[01:10] <mbreit> gkrelldnet, gpac, gql, guikachu, guile-core, haskell-cabal, haskell-http, hunit, ibwebadmin, icomlib, imaze, ipmenu, ircd, kexi, konq-shellhere, kwiki, kzenexplorer, libaqhbci, libaqhbci-qt-tools, libprinterconf, libspoon-perl, libspork-perl, manderlbot
[01:10] <slomo> mbreit: eclipse is fixed
[01:10] <mbreit> meta-ul, mozart-stdlib, mysql-query-browser, octave-forge, packagesearch, pinball, postgresql-plruby, prc-tools, pyorbit, python-gnome2, python-kinterbasdb, python-visual, pyx, regina-normal, rhdb-admin, ruby1.9, scsh-defaults
[01:10] <mbreit> selinux-policy-default, sfs, soya-doc, svgalib, tagcolledit, tecnoballz, wine, wstools, xezmlm, xgsmlib, xmms-kde, xpdf, xsp, yacas, yehia
[01:10] <dholbach> haskell-http and hunit too
[01:11] <dholbach> what's the matter with xpdf?
[01:11] <slomo> haskell-cabal is to be morgued
[01:11] <mbreit> slomo: okay, that list might be a few hours old...
[01:11] <Nafallo> ehm, I installed celementtree today...
[01:11] <slomo> python-gnome2 too
[01:11] <slomo> oh... no... hmm, can you please check if python-gnome2 is really broken?
[01:12] <Nafallo> what's the script to do that output again?
[01:13] <Nafallo> found it
[01:13] <mbreit> dholbach: hmm i have no idea about xpdf... seems to be fine... i don't know why our "unmet-deps-list-generator" put that in
[01:13] <\sh> mbreit: hurry up to fix them ;)
[01:13] <mbreit> Nafallo: LC_ALL=C apt-cache -i unmet | grep ^Package | cut -d' ' -f2 | xargs apt-cache showsrc | grep ^Package | sed 's/Package\://' | sort -u | perl -e'while (<>) { chomp; print($_ . ","); }'
[01:13] <Nafallo> because it doesn't?
[01:14] <dholbach> mbreit: i could install every single binary package
[01:15] <mbreit> dholbach: xpdf seems fine here as well...
[01:15] <Nafallo> I'll put a brand new on my server...
[01:15] <mbreit> what's wrong with that script??
[01:16] <dholbach> somebody debug apt-cache then ;)
[01:16] <Nafallo> http://www.magicalforest.se/~nafallo/unmet.txt
[01:16] <slomo> it also looks at suggests, recommends, replaces, conflicts iirc
[01:17] <slomo> \sh: ok, you won... i'll stop with boson-base ;)
[01:17] <mbreit> okay, forget my list... i have no idea, but most of the listed packages seem to work fine...
[01:17] <mbreit> slomo: python-gnome2 works as well
[01:17] <\sh> slomo: told ya ;)
[01:18] <slomo> \sh: ugly c++/kde stuff... nothing for me :P we should get more kde motus ;)
[01:18] <\sh> slomo: I don't touch it
[01:19] <mbreit> Nafallo: did you generate that list with the same script?
[01:20] <Nafallo> yes
[01:20] <sistpoty> slomo: what ugly stuff? boson-base?
[01:20] <slomo> sistpoty: yes
[01:20] <sistpoty> I'll take a look. but i don't promise anything
[01:20] <sistpoty> *g*
[01:21] <slomo> sistpoty: forget it... banging the head on the table gives more pleasure ;)
[01:21] <crimsun> leave ruby1.9, it's an upstream issue
[01:22] <mbreit> bochs seems broken (unmet deps), i'll try to fix it
[01:22] <sistpoty> slomo: indeed, headbanging is fun, so why wouldn't boson-base be? *g*
[01:23] <slomo> sistpoty: but only as long as you don't have a table/wall/something in front of your head ;) well... good luck =) the first few compile errors are easy ones... the hard stuff comes later :P
[01:24] <sistpoty> hehe... k. i just try how far i get ;)
[01:26] <slomo> Unfrgiven: "introdeveloperdocs_1.0_source.changes is NEW" :)
[01:26] <slomo> Unfrgiven: now give elmo a coffee or something... ;)
[01:27] <dholbach> :)
[01:27] <Unfrgiven> slomo: :) awesome!
[01:28] <Unfrgiven> slomo: i havent seen it in breezy-changes
[01:28] <\sh> Unfrgiven: cause it's NEW
[01:28] <slomo> Unfrgiven: it will be in breezy-changes after it got accepted by elmo
[01:28] <\sh> Unfrgiven: u won't see it until elmo freed it
[01:28] <slomo> is xprint something not to touch?
[01:28] <Unfrgiven> ah right. so i need to talk to hime to get it accepted?
[01:29] <ogra> slomo, ask daniels
[01:29] <Nafallo> ehm, can't mdz and/or Kamion do that now?
[01:29] <ogra> slomo, i think its obsolete
[01:29] <sistpoty> hehe ogra, i wanted to suggest this
[01:29] <Nafallo> NEW that is...
[01:29] <ogra> :)
[01:29] <slomo> ogra: ok, i won't touch it then... i had something like that in my memory so you're most probably right ;)
[01:30] <ogra> he's in devel and can give the final call :=
[01:30] <sistpoty> slomo: read it?
[01:30] <ogra> :)
[01:30] <\sh> what the heck
[01:30] <slomo> sistpoty: ?
[01:31] <\sh> waaahhh
[01:31] <sistpoty> slomo: i just asked daniels in -devel
[01:31] <\sh> amarok-1.3.3 crash ;)
[01:31] <sistpoty> slomo: bout xprint
[01:31] <ogra> \sh, yay
[01:31] <ogra> \sh, i said you were right :)
[01:31] <mbreit> does anyone know why there is no svgalib on amd64?
[01:31] <slomo> sistpoty: narf...
[01:32] <\sh> ogra: yeah...but it costs me 3 weeks of my life...believe me...even when I was right
[01:40] <dholbach> i'm so happy you all took care of the last minute fixing
[01:41] <\sh> dholbach: I'm not finished
[01:41] <sistpoty> dholbach: is breezy closed?
[01:41] <dholbach> no, not yet :)
[01:41] <dholbach> did your read jdub's comment some minutes ago?
[01:41] <Unfrgiven> slomo: do i need to chat to elmo about the package? i missed your response last time i asked :)
[01:41] <sistpoty> dholbach: yep... he didn't really get it that he was late at first *g*
[01:42] <dholbach> but he makes fun of himself... i liked that :)
[01:43] <slomo> Unfrgiven: no... he will do it himself when he got time for it ;) but as it's a breezy goal... maybe ask mdz or kamion in -devel... afaik they can move stuff from NEW too atm
[01:43] <sistpoty> dholbach: sure :)
[01:43] <\sh> dholbach: what jdub said? I'm just busy between my pbuilder ;)
[01:44] <dholbach> jdub righto
[01:44] <dholbach> jdub i'm here
[01:44] <dholbach> jdub ubuntu-artwork update coming in a moment
[01:44] <dholbach> 20 minutes ago :-p
[01:44] <\sh> ah
[01:44] <crimsun> jdub's sense of humour is tremendous.
[01:45] <dholbach> :)
[01:46] <HiddenWolf> it's not nice, I was all excited. :P
[01:46] <dholbach> ...
[01:46] <dholbach> man, ...
[01:47] <dholbach> (words fail me)
[01:47] <HiddenWolf> dholbach, yeah, I haven't got anything better to do.
[01:47] <ogra> dholbach,
[01:47] <dholbach> i see
[01:47] <ogra> ogra@honk:~ $ man ...
[01:47] <ogra> Kein Manual-Eintrag fr ... vorhanden
[01:47] <ogra> doesnt work :)
[01:47] <HiddenWolf> haha
[01:47] <ogra> oh, i missed the comma
[01:48] <HiddenWolf> dholbach, I fondly remember that toasting hackers gdm theme from hoary. :)
[01:48] <Nafallo> wow
[01:48] <dholbach> haha, that was brilliant :)
[01:48] <Nafallo> users are odd
[01:49] <Nafallo> this one thought ubuntu-desktop was something to write on the cds prompt
[01:49] <sistpoty> Nafallo: got a link somewhere?
[01:49] <sistpoty> Nafallo: for the theme?
[01:49] <Nafallo> sistpoty: ehm?
[01:49] <Nafallo> what theme?
[01:50] <ogra> Nafallo, gdm
[01:50] <sistpoty> arg... i'm getting tired... HiddenWolf even ;)
[01:50] <Nafallo> ah :-P
[01:50] <HiddenWolf> sistpoty, what?
[01:50] <sistpoty> [01:48:18]  <HiddenWolf> dholbach, I fondly remember that toasting hackers gdm theme from hoary. :)
[01:51] <HiddenWolf> used to be an image of a toasting mark/jdub/etc on the releasedate for hoary.
[01:51] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:51] <HiddenWolf> can't find a link, but search on the forums, there was quite an uproar
[01:51] <Nafallo> oh?
[01:51] <Nafallo> wasn't that 1st of April?
[01:51] <Nafallo> and went to warty-updates to :-P
[01:51] <HiddenWolf> Nafallo, yeah, could be. :P
[01:52] <HiddenWolf> Nafallo, people wheren't amused tho.
[01:52] <Nafallo> I remember :-)
[01:52] <Nafallo> my girlfriend screamed a bit till I explained who to people where ;-)
[01:52] <Nafallo> mark, elmo, matt and jdub IIRC
[01:53] <Nafallo> take or leave jdub :-P
[01:53] <dholbach> http://www.livejournal.com/users/lifeguardasleep/22249.html
[01:53] <Nafallo> http://www.postneo.com/2005/04/01/ubuntu-april-fools-gag
[01:54] <Nafallo> yepp, leave jdub ;-)
[01:54] <sistpoty> cool, thx
[01:56] <LaserJock> \sh: can you take a look at another debdiff or am I too late?
[01:56] <slomo> LaserJock: i can take a look
[01:56] <\sh> LaserJock: no
[01:56] <\sh> or slomo take it
[01:57] <LaserJock> slomo: http://www.chem.unr.edu/~mantha/ubuntu/pyx_0.7.1-1ubuntu2.debdiff
[01:57] <crimsun> I'll look at it
[01:57] <crimsun> you guys keep truckin'
[01:57] <slomo> crimsun: ok, thanks ;)
[01:57] <mbreit> grr... I think that I will give up now.... I can't find any bug I can fix... everything I looked at is broken on amd64, has been fixed in a newer version but does not build because someone added libsvga to the build-depends :(((
[01:57] <slomo> sistpoty: hehe, same here :)
[01:58] <crimsun> mbreit: then stomp it and add the [i386]  qualifier after libsvga*
[01:59] <whiprush> #ubuntu-sounder for fridge-related and general chitchat
[02:00] <whiprush> dholbach: see YOU there!
[02:00] <mbreit> crimsun: that would be an idea... but I have no more time... I have to go to bed soon and I will be busy tomorrow so it makes no sense to do big changes (no time to test and fix if something breakes :(( )
[02:00] <ogra> mbreit, look if libvgs is reall needed
[02:00] <ogra> libvga
[02:00] <ogra> most apps have a -x2
[02:00] <ogra> -x11 option
[02:00] <crimsun> mbreit: nothing wrong with postponing it til Dapper.
[02:00] <ogra> or --with-x
[02:01] <crimsun> ogra, dude you need some sleep
[02:01] <crimsun> :)
[02:01] <ogra> 2 installs to go :)
[02:01] <mbreit> crimsun: that's all unmet deps... bochs-wx and pinball are currently not installable in breezy :(
[02:02] <ogra> and still no DVD in sight... the rsync will run til tomorrow
[02:02] <crimsun> mbreit: ok, I'll look at bochs-wx and pinball then.
[02:02] <dholbach> ogra: same here :(
[02:02] <ogra> mbreit, i'm sure pinball is buildable without svga
[02:02] <crimsun> yeah, I'd be surprised if it was a hard requirement
[02:03] <mbreit> crimsun, ogra: i will have a quick look at pinball...
[02:03] <ogra> libsvgashould die anyway...
[02:03] <crimsun> mbreit: ok
[02:03] <mbreit> crimsun: if you would have a look at bochs I owe you a beer or something like that! ;)
[02:04] <ogra> how the hell do they manage to have 15MB big langpacks
[02:05] <mbreit> how do i do a build-depend just for one arch? libsvga-xy [i386]  ?
[02:05] <crimsun> yes
[02:05] <slomo> mbreit: yes
[02:06] <crimsun> otherwise you end up with some sick crack in debian/rules
[02:07] <crimsun> haha, elmo's comment is classic
[02:07] <crimsun> '"no rush".. good one'
[02:10] <crimsun> LaserJock: looks good, uploaded.
[02:10] <LaserJock> ok, thanks
[02:11] <LaserJock> You guys ROCK!
[02:14] <slomo> sistpoty: any look with boson? ;)
[02:14] <sistpoty> slomo: still building... actually i was a little braindead with dpatch :(
[02:15] <sistpoty> slomo: from the warnings i fear in massive linker errors, but i'm still fighting with compile errors ;)
[02:16] <slomo> sistpoty: did you get after that error with this playfield type?
[02:16] <sistpoty> slomo: not yet
[02:16] <sistpoty> slomo: still errors before this one
[02:16] <sistpoty> *G*
[02:17] <slomo> ok ;)
[02:17] <slomo> that was the one where i gave up
[02:17] <crimsun> ok, so we're closed.
[02:18] <mbreit> aaaargh... i just uploaded a fixed pinball :(
[02:18] <crimsun> mbreit: no you're fine
[02:19] <\sh> no
[02:19] <crimsun> I, like \sh, misinterpreted him
[02:19] <\sh> 02:17 < Kamion> \sh: I think he means Sainsbury's, not the buildds
[02:19] <\sh> but now it's your turn
[02:19] <\sh> I'm just retiring for breezy now...thx for the great work :)
[02:20] <\sh> slomo: if you request syncs:
[02:20] <\sh> 	trickle 1.07-4
[02:20] <\sh> 	bubblemon 2.0.4-3
[02:20] <mbreit> hehe... we really need a universe-freeze for dapper... and lots of new maintainers and most important: less transitions ;))
[02:21] <ajmitch> yes
[02:21] <ajmitch> and we'll get less transitions
[02:21] <\sh> but we will get a lot of merges for dapper...
[02:21] <slomo> \sh: why don't you tell him that?
[02:21] <ajmitch> and universe work will have to be of higher quality - more time spent on bugfixing & FTBFS fixing rather than just transitions
[02:21] <ajmitch> \sh: we'll do those in the first few weeks
[02:21] <\sh> slomo: no...I'm off
[02:21] <Nafallo> \sh: merges and override syncs :-)
[02:21] <slomo> \sh: ok
[02:22] <ajmitch> \sh: I feel like cracking the whip on merges
[02:22] <dholbach> we'll see how furhter motu development goes
[02:22] <dholbach> :)
[02:22] <ajmitch> or dholbach can crack the whip if he wants ;)
[02:22] <\sh> ajmitch: u, bddebian and I doing the merges in 2 days ;)
[02:22] <dholbach> i don't think there'll be the need to
[02:22] <ajmitch> hah should be good :)
[02:23] <ajmitch> \sh: or we do all the merges in a drunken UBZ BOF? ;)
[02:23] <ajmitch> dholbach: why not?
[02:23] <\sh> slomo: bah
[02:23] <\sh> slomo: don't mention my name
[02:23] <ajmitch> dholbach: there's a lot of manual checking needed for most merges
[02:23] <slomo> \sh: sorry... didn't know that :/ what now?
[02:23] <Unfrgiven> slomo: doesnt look like elmo is keen on taking intro dev docs :(
[02:23] <\sh> slomo: that's why I said, please address all requests personally to elmo
[02:23] <LaserJock> so, at what point could a non-MOTU but interested person like me get involved with Dapper?
[02:23] <\sh> slomo: forget them
[02:24] <\sh> slomo: I'll send a mail
[02:24] <ajmitch> LaserJock: as soon as it opens
[02:24] <slomo> \sh: ok... sorry again :(
[02:24] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you'd just need to push people to upload for you
[02:24] <Unfrgiven> \sh: can you include introdevdocs in ur email?
[02:24] <Unfrgiven> \sh: it would be great if this made it
[02:25] <LaserJock> how do you work on stuff that isn't installable yet? Do you just adjust your pbuilder? I have been using Breezy the whole time I have been working on packaging
[02:26] <LaserJock> by not installable, I mean the pre Colony1 type stuff?
[02:26] <slomo> sistpoty: didn't you fix rscheme?
[02:26] <sistpoty> slomo: nope... it built in pbuilder but faild on buildd
[02:26] <slomo> ok
[02:27] <\sh> Unfrgiven: I can't deal this...elmo will accept them...but it's not high prio as mdz said.
[02:27] <sistpoty> slomo: i talked to dd and he said upstream is preparing a fix (which isn't there yet)
[02:28] <LaserJock> hmm, what I said didn't make much sense. I think it is time for me to go home.
[02:28] <LaserJock> gnight all
[02:28] <Unfrgiven> \sh: ok fair enough. i guess it would just be a shame if they didnt make breezy. i dont mind if he does them last, just as long as they make breezy :)
[02:28] <sistpoty> gn8 LaserJock
[02:28] <Unfrgiven> LaserJock: good night
[02:30] <\sh> 2005-10-13 00:30 UTC -> /me stopped working
[02:31] <sistpoty> hehe
[02:31] <Nafallo> \sh: you better. we have lots of stuff to do in dapper, right? :-)
[02:32] <slomo> \sh: /me too after this package...
[02:35] <\sh> Nafallo: a bit :)
[02:35] <Nafallo> slomo has aswell :-)
[02:35] <Nafallo> slomo: you're going to give me a working banshee and stuff, right? :-)
[02:36] <Nafallo> with an audioscrobbler-plugin :-)
[02:36] <slomo> Nafallo: we'll see... maybe abock dies before ;)
[02:37] <Nafallo> slomo: baah. so then you have to become upstream? :-)
[02:37] <\sh> MOTUs: some last words: Thx for letting me participate on this great, wonderful project and team. I never had so much fun then working with you :)
[02:37] <ajmitch> \sh: yeah, long may it last
[02:37] <\sh> MOTUs: So I'm glad to have the same fun for Dapper with you again :)
[02:37] <ajmitch> it's been the first free software project to really grab my attention & time
[02:37] <dholbach> :)
[02:37] <dholbach> \sh: ++
[02:37] <bmonty> I'm having fun :)
[02:38] <ogra> yeah !
[02:38] <bmonty> ...and learning cool stuff
[02:38] <Nafallo> \sh: dapper will be even more fun probably :-). you get to do what you really want there :-)
[02:38] <Nafallo> jabberd2 for main please ;-)
[02:38] <ajmitch> yeah, the frankenstein XMPP/SIP client! ;)
[02:38] <mbreit> \sh: you are so right... but: also thank YOU to do so much work for making ubuntu the best distribution ever :)
[02:39] <ajmitch> ogra: it's ok, you had a lot of other stuff to do
[02:39] <\sh> Nafallo: this is additional work and will give us more pressure
[02:39] <ogra> ajmitch, yes, but all alone in my silent #edubuntu channel
[02:39] <ajmitch> \sh: recruit more MOTUs
[02:39] <ajmitch> ogra: :(
[02:39] <mbreit> ogra: I can really understand you... I did not have much time the last weeks as well, so I am looking forward to working on dapper...
[02:39] <ajmitch> ogra: I'll try & help out for dapper! honest!
[02:39] <ogra> not half as funny as MOTU
[02:39] <ajmitch> heh
[02:39] <\sh> I mean we did a lot
[02:40] <ogra> ajmitch, i'll need every helping hand :)
[02:40] <ajmitch> if we get more MOTUs to do the bugfixing & all, then we get more free time to develop new & cool stuff
[02:40] <ajmitch> so RECRUIT!
[02:40] <ogra> and imagine, edubuntu will be a full sized server OS in dapper :)
[02:40] <ogra> ajmitch, after i slept some days
[02:41] <ajmitch> :D
[02:41] <\sh> ogra recruited really good people for MOTU...and the "former young ones" which were starting at least with hoary release are now "Old Farts" and starting to work on additional projects...so everyone is participating...but never forget your roots -> MOTU !
[02:41] <mbreit> I would also like to say much, thank you and so on but I'll make it short:
[02:41] <ogra> nicely i have a plumber coming in 6h :)
[02:41] <mbreit> you guys really ROCK!!!
[02:41] <ogra> nooo, *YOU* guys ROCK...
[02:42] <ogra> wher would we be with all these hands helping to squash the nasty bugs :)
[02:42] <ogra> *without
[02:42] <ajmitch> remember everyone that we have a MOTU meeting *next week*
[02:43] <ajmitch> so bring your ideas along for dapper
[02:43] <ajmitch> so that we can get organised early
[02:43] <ajmitch> and get some ideas to take to UBZ
[02:43] <\sh> 100 packages in one day == one bottle of old scottish whiskey sponsored by sabdfl?
[02:43] <ajmitch> \sh: haha
[02:43] <ajmitch> I'd be lucky to get 10 packages in a day
[02:44] <ajmitch> I only did 7 uploads last night
[02:44] <\sh> well..for dapper: need to find someone who is sponsoring a quad xeon + quad amd64 build machine for my home
[02:45] <ajmitch> \sh: for home? I'm really hoping that the build stuff for launchpad is working as specced
[02:45] <dholbach> good night guys, i'm off to bed
[02:45] <ajmitch> night dholbach !
[02:45] <dholbach> night andrew
[02:45] <sistpoty> gn8 dholbach
[02:45] <ajmitch> see you tomorrow :)
[02:45] <\sh> dholbach: sleep tight...when u wake up, there's a badger waiting...a breezy one
[02:45] <hubW> I have a new upstream package, psiconv that change the library version
[02:45] <dholbach> night stefan and stephan :)
[02:45] <mbreit> good night guys... i need some sleep as well now
[02:46] <\sh> I'll prepare now the r200 for doing some wpa-psk wifi magic..and taking it to my bed
[02:46] <ajmitch> mm
[02:47] <\sh> and if breezy is released while I'm sleeping .. ogra, please call me ,)
[02:47] <ajmitch> time to dist-upgrade before the big rush :)
[02:47] <ogra> \sh, i'll do if i didnt fall asleep over my keyboard
[02:47] <sistpoty> gn8 mbreit
[02:47] <ajmitch> hopefully the release doesn't happen when I'm afk too
[02:47] <\sh> ogra: ehe...i mean: wir haben ja schon breezy ,->
[02:48] <mbreit> night sistpoty ;)
[02:48] <ogra> \sh, i'm still missing one test install before i can say that :)
[02:48] <ogra> but its unlikely it fails :)
[02:49] <sistpoty> hehe, i tried a test install which failed... on an 486 laptop with 8MB ram :-)
[02:49] <ajmitch> oh great, doko got zope synced.. thanks doko! :)
[02:50] <ogra> sistpoty, haha
[02:50] <ogra> i think 64MB is minimum...
[02:50] <Nafallo> 128 for desktop, no?
[02:50] <ogra> 64MB for th installer to work
[02:50] <sistpoty> maybe... it was funny to see the kernel killing a process (due to lack of mem) which always tried to respawn *g*
[02:52] <\sh> brb
[02:53] <ajmitch> wb \sh  ;)
[02:53] <\sh> hehe....now on this small babz
[02:53] <\sh> y
[02:54] <slomo> ok, i give up ;) nothing fixable anymore...
[02:54] <hubW> why vlc has been reverted to libwxgtk 2.4?
[02:54] <hubW> it is back to gtk 1.2 with that :-(
[02:55] <ajmitch> hubW: because otherwise it was *very* *broken*
[02:55] <ajmitch> and reverting was the safest fix
[02:55] <hubW> I didn't notice it was
[02:55] <ajmitch> plenty of others did
[03:01] <hubW> just wondering
[03:01] <hubW> I was a bit annoyed that it install 2.4 again
[03:01] <hubW> but you know better than I do :-)
[03:02] <crimsun> dude
[03:02] <crimsun> if I read one. more. "issue". regarding vlc, I'm going to...stand up and get some coffee.
[03:03] <crimsun> hubW: just be glad playlist parsing works, k? :-)
[03:05] <hubW> crimsun: not complaining
[03:05] <hubW> crimsun: I must admit I didn't use playlist
[03:06] <crimsun> wxwidgets2.6's unicode handling is horrid
[03:21] <slomo_> ok, gn8 everybody :)
[03:21] <ajmitch> night slomo_
[03:22] <Nafallo> gnight slomo
[03:22] <sistpoty> gn8 slomo_
[03:35] <bmonty> on irc?
[03:35] <ajmitch> yes
[03:36] <bmonty> chan?
[03:36] <ajmitch> a debian channel :P
[03:36] <ajmitch> and it's stopped now, it was a few minutes ago
[03:37] <Riddell> ajmitch: what was their issue?
[03:37] <bmonty> oh, I thought it would be on a freebsd channel
[03:37] <ajmitch> general fixes, forking packages, using dpatch, etc
[03:37] <bmonty> ajmitch: you are a DD, yes?
[03:37] <ajmitch> not politely asking the great DDs to integrate any fixes
[03:38] <ajmitch> bmonty: yes, how else could I become so bitter & cynical?
[03:38] <sistpoty> hehe
[03:38] <bmonty> ajmitch: I thought that was a property of people that lived in New Zealand :)
[03:38] <crimsun> pfft, you can't be cynical without being a university professor first.
[03:38] <ajmitch> heh
[03:38] <crimsun> then you'll learn the true meaning of cynical firsthand.
[03:39] <bmonty> I don't want to get started on my tirade about university professors
[03:41] <bmonty> I would think the DDs would be interested in taking the changes from ubuntu and folding them back into their own packages
[03:42] <ajmitch> oh some of them are
[03:42] <ajmitch> but a lot of them don't like the quick & dirty fixes we do :)
[03:42] <ajmitch> nor the invasive packaging changes like dpatch
[03:44] <bmonty> I can understand the quick fixes part...but if they don't like dpatch, why not just apply the patch and be done with it?
[03:45] <Unfrgiven> what dont they like about dpatch?
[03:46] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: it doesn't always work, introduces other dependencies, etc
[03:46] <crimsun> well they can always just remove the dpatch from debian/{rules,patches/} and remove dpatch as a b-d
[03:46] <bmonty> crimsun: or just apply the patch to the source tree
[03:47] <crimsun> I have to say that without dpatch, I'd be even more insane
[03:47] <ajmitch> crimsun: sure, but that robs them of the chance to *rant*
[03:47] <ajmitch> it's part of what makes debian debian
[03:47] <crimsun> hehe
[03:48] <bmonty> I love reading some of the comments on bugs that are marked wontfix :)
[03:49] <Unfrgiven> patching the sources directly doesnt seem like a good long term solution... the more patches you add, the more work will be required to upgrade to a new upstream version
[03:49] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: of course
[03:49] <Unfrgiven> they prefer this?!?!
[03:49] <ajmitch> some do
[03:50] <ajmitch> I disabled simple-patchsys for some of my packages in favour of having the patches inline
[03:50] <crimsun> omg, already asking for backports for breezy
[03:50] <ajmitch> because I'm using bzr on my box to manage it
[03:50] <ajmitch> crimsun: yes, what did you expect?
[04:03] <jeff_> Could the latest sabayon please be packaged before breezy? It is in universe
[04:04] <jeff_> The latest version released by markmc fixed the bug that makes it just about unusable out of the box on breezy
[04:04] <ajmitch> breezy is meant to be out really really soon
[04:04] <bddebian> Heya folks
[04:04] <bmonty> hi bddebian
[04:04] <ajmitch> so you'd be pushing to get it in
[04:04] <bddebian> Heya bmonty
[04:04] <ajmitch> hello bddebian, hail & welcome
[04:04] <sistpoty> wb bddebian
[04:04] <ajmitch> !
[04:04] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch / sistpoty
[04:05] <jeff_> ajmitch: The version in breezy doesn't work correctly. The version released yesterday does
[04:05] <jeff_> ajmitch: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1125
[04:05] <bddebian> So are we completely out of time now?
[04:06] <ajmitch> jeff_: that's wonderful, but we've probably only got minutes to get things packaged, built, tested, uploaded, built & in the archive
[04:06] <crimsun> bddebian: not quite yet
[04:06] <ajmitch> if someone here wants to try, go ahead :)
[04:06] <Amaranth> bddebian: I'd say yes, seeing how the release is in 8 (?) hours, but you might get a little something in.
[04:06] <jeff_> ajmitch: If you walk me through how to do it, I will...
[04:06] <bmonty> ajmitch: only if you will upload it
[04:06] <jeff_> ajmitch: I am on breezy atm
[04:06] <crimsun> Amaranth: that's just a random time.
[04:06] <sistpoty> ajmitch: do we? then i should better start to bang my head to the table as slomo suggested (instead of trying to fix boson)
[04:06] <Amaranth> crimsun: ?
[04:07] <bddebian> sistpoty: :-)
[04:07] <crimsun> Amaranth: what time are you referring to?
[04:07] <Amaranth> crimsun: I thought it was midnight UTC
[04:07] <\sh> bddebian: the buildds are not closed...u could be the one with the last package in universe for breezy
[04:07] <jeff_> I've made a ton of rpm .spec files and rpms. I've nevery built a deb yet
[04:07] <crimsun> Amaranth: long past midnight UTC
[04:07] <Amaranth> crimsun: it's 4pm right now, right?
[04:07] <bddebian> \sh: :-)
[04:07] <ajmitch> jeff_: getting someone's first package into the release hours before it is released is not-so-optimal :)
[04:07] <crimsun> Amaranth: 2:07 AM
[04:07] <\sh> jeff_: well... .specs are not complicated
[04:08] <Kyral> So anything in REVU after midnight goes to Dapper Universe?
[04:08] <ajmitch> bmonty: go for it if you want, but I can't guarantee an upload
[04:08] <Amaranth> crimsun: err, i was going backwards :)
[04:08] <bmonty> ajmitch: no dice then :)
[04:08] <ajmitch> Kyral: dapper will be open next week
[04:08] <ajmitch> bmonty: I'm at work
[04:08] <Kyral> I know that....
[04:08] <Amaranth> ajmitch: I thought it wouldn't open for two weeks, like last time.
[04:08] <Amaranth> ajmitch: Taking a break and all that...
[04:08] <bmonty> ajmitch: I know, I was kidding
[04:08] <jeff_> I am willing to do it... before I go to bed if it means I will have a working sabayon on a default breezy box
[04:08] <ajmitch> Amaranth: breezy was open about 4 days after release
[04:09] <crimsun> jeff_: is it in Debian yet?
[04:09] <Kyral> Then could someone look over my package? I believe all the packaging errors are gone
[04:09] <jeff_> crimsun: It was released 2 days ago
[04:09] <Amaranth> ajmitch: really? i guess i just stopped paying attention then noticed one day
[04:10] <Amaranth> btw, if i keep the pace i worked at today smeg 0.8 will be one of the first things to get into dapper (other than MoM) :)
[04:10] <sistpoty> jeff_: does it fix a bug or is the current version completeley b0rked?
[04:10] <jeff_> sistpoty: It fixes many bugs && it fixes a pretty serious one
[04:11] <ajmitch> sistpoty: the other option is http://mail.gnome.org/archives/sabayon-list/2005-September/msg00000.html
[04:11] <ajmitch> which appears to be the fix for the main bug
[04:11] <jeff_> ajmitch: That is the problem
[04:11] <jeff_> the main problem, but the new version cleans up quite a few bugs
[04:12] <crimsun> show-stoppers only imo.
[04:12] <ajmitch> jeff_: you're asking for ultra-last-minute fixes here :)
[04:12] <crimsun> take the patch, twirl it, throw me the debdiff/diff.gz
[04:12] <ajmitch> since a new upstream version might break in other ways
[04:12] <jeff_> ajmitch: I love ubuntu, but I dont love broken packages
[04:12] <jeff_> I am trying to help out however I can
[04:13] <crimsun> jeff_: people who want the new one will be using the new one regardless
[04:13] <crimsun> if it won't even start, that's a show-stopper
[04:14] <ajmitch> if it's critical enough it *might* even get into breezy-updates if it's not in by release time
[04:14] <crimsun> oh wait, it's a main package
[04:14] <jeff_> crimsun: Let me find my bug...
[04:14] <jeff_> I posted this with the screenshots: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16971
[04:14] <ajmitch> crimsun: it is?
[04:15] <ajmitch> crimsun: oh you're very right
[04:15] <sistpoty> wow, hail to my university and it's mail server... i got an mail from 5 hours ago right now :)
[04:15] <ajmitch> jeff_: we cannot upload *anything* to main
[04:15] <jeff_> Thats fine, if it missed the release, it missed the release
[04:15] <jeff_> Could that go in updates?
[04:15] <bddebian> sistpoty: Nice :-)
[04:16] <ajmitch> jeff_: if it does, it's not up to us
[04:16] <crimsun> -updates is possible. Dapper is certainly targeted.
[04:16] <ajmitch> and a new upstream is unlikely for updates
[04:16] <ajmitch> so most likely to just grab patches
[04:17] <jeff_> ajmitch: Who would I talk to for a patched version to get uploaded? it is broken
[04:17] <ajmitch> bugzilla
[04:18] <jeff_> ajmitch: Look at the bugzilla url I posted :-) I posted all of those comments virtually
[04:18] <ajmitch> looks to be 16971
[04:18] <ajmitch> right
[04:19] <crimsun> jeff_: it wasn't deemed release critical
[04:19] <ajmitch> so it might get handled, but not by us
[04:19] <jeff_> ajmitch: at first, it would load up, and then die without warning
[04:19] <jeff_> crimsun: That is fine, I am just asking if that could be put into updates?
[04:19] <jeff_> And who needs to be contacted for it to be in updates?
[04:20] <crimsun> the person you needed to contact just went to sleep
[04:20] <ajmitch> jeff_: you've already filed a bug, so if it's deemed worthy it'll get worked on
[04:20] <\sh> ajmitch: backport?
[04:20] <ajmitch> trying to constantly push it further could be counterproductive :)
[04:20] <ajmitch> \sh: maybe
[04:20] <jeff_> \sh, crimsun, ajmitch: thanks for the help guys
[04:20] <\sh> ajmitch: i'm not sure how to handle updates for universe
[04:21] <jeff_> And so you know, I was the hero at work for showing the guys how to get 3ddesk working on ubuntu
[04:21] <ajmitch> \sh: MOTU meeting next week ;)
[04:21] <jeff_> That alone made 4 guys dump opensuse
[04:21] <crimsun> jeff_: breezy-updates.
[04:21] <crimsun> perhaps along with the libgphoto fix, but that's up to the core group.
[04:21] <\sh> jeff_: well...ubuntu dumoed today 6 suse servers
[04:22] <\sh> aeh dumped and it was yesterday
[04:22] <bddebian> ajmitch: MOTU meeting?  Aren't we all done now? ;-P
[04:22] <crimsun> bddebian: NEVER
[04:22] <ajmitch> bddebian: HAH!
[04:22] <\sh> bddebian: now the fun starts
[04:22] <ajmitch> bddebian: the meeting was scheduled weeks ago,
[04:22] <ajmitch> to give everyone a chance to have their say for MOTU before UBZ
[04:22] <ajmitch> so I expect *EVERYONE* to turn up! ;)
[04:23] <\sh> _*EVERYONE*_
[04:23] <bddebian> crimsun: Why, I can't fix anything :-)
[04:23] <crimsun> bah
[04:23] <ajmitch> bddebian: oh shut up :P
[04:23] <ajmitch> and I mean that in the nicest possible way
[04:23] <ajmitch> really
[04:23] <ajmitch> :D
[04:24] <bddebian> Heh
[04:24] <bddebian> Well I didn't make my 1000 karma but I did hit 100 bugs I think
[04:24] <ajmitch> no doubt malone will be flooded with bugs after release
[04:24] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes, well done :)
[04:24] <bddebian> And I didn't get UnmetDeps wiped :-(
[04:24] <bddebian> And the bug count is over 500
[04:25] <jeff_> Which ML would I post the sabayon bug on to keep from getting flamed about being on the wrong one? for breezy-updates
[04:25] <ajmitch> because I'm a lazy slacker
[04:25] <ajmitch> bddebian: I only got 94 done
[04:25] <ajmitch> but karma is > 1100
[04:25] <LaserJock> sorry for the dumb question but what happens now (after the release) to the Malone bugs?
[04:25] <\sh> jeff_: ubuntu-backports ,-) but please after tuesday next week :)
[04:25] <bddebian> ajmitch: Only?? :-)
[04:26] <\sh> LaserJock: we fix them
[04:26] <ajmitch> LaserJock: they sit there, we might get some of the more important ones into breezy-updates if we're allowed
[04:26] <mxpxpod> is anyone else having problems with the latest deskbar-applet?
[04:26] <jeff_> \sh: I'll wait till next friday
[04:26] <mxpxpod> I'm not getting an entry on the panel
[04:26] <\sh> LaserJock: or they're magically fixed by new syncs, merges, patches
[04:26] <ajmitch> anything that's dapper-worthy, we fix in dapper
[04:26] <ajmitch> dapper will rock!
[04:26] <jeff_> breezy already rocks!
[04:26] <LaserJock> so some will be seen in Breezy updates and the rest will be seen in Dapper?
[04:27] <ajmitch> jeff_: breezy is only the warm up
[04:27] <\sh> breezy is not out yet
[04:27] <ajmitch> LaserJock: if it's fixed in updates it'll be in dapper as well
[04:27] <bddebian> ajmitch: D00d, then you have issues :-)
[04:27] <ajmitch> bddebian: why?
[04:27] <ajmitch> bddebian: dude, you're our hero! ;)
[04:27] <bddebian> ajmitch: If you are counting on me for anything
[04:27] <whiprush> mxpxpod: it's been like that for me since it came out, never got it to work.
[04:28] <mxpxpod> whiprush: it was working for me until just a minute ago when I got an update
[04:28] <ajmitch> LaserJock: we'll get security fixes into updates where possible
[04:29] <ajmitch> whiprush: yo, how's the fridge looking for release? stocked full of goodies?
[04:29] <bddebian> Didn't I sync sabayon from debian recently?
[04:29] <whiprush> ajmitch: not as many as I hoped
[04:29] <LaserJock> so is it OK if I came to the MOTU meeting?
[04:29] <whiprush> but I'll be working on it.
[04:29] <ajmitch> bddebian: I hope not
[04:29] <\sh> LaserJock: the meetings are open for everyone
[04:29] <ajmitch> bddebian: since the only message on breezy changes are from seb128
[04:29] <ajmitch> LaserJock: it's expected
[04:30] <LaserJock> ok cool I had some comments on .desktop files
[04:30] <ajmitch> LaserJock: be there or we'll assign more bugs to bddebian
[04:30] <bddebian> ajmitch: Hmm, maybe I'm thinking of something else then :-)
[04:30] <LaserJock> hmmm, wouldn't want to do that ;-)
[04:32] <ajmitch> I'll have to really get to work on dapper
[04:34] <ajmitch> incessant cries of "when's breezy out?" in #ubuntu
[04:34] <ajmitch> I knew I shouldn't have returned there
[04:36] <LaserJock> yeah, it is kinda weird, this is my first time being involved in any way with an OS release
[04:36] <LaserJock> I worked hard today and now it is like pheww
[04:37] <\sh> it's now my first time for ubuntu, 2 times for redhat (as webrel manager)
[04:37] <bddebian> Sheesh, I'm getting the same damn spam message on every mailing list I'm on.. :-(
[04:38] <bddebian> ajmitch: Ugh :-)
[04:38] <ajmitch> there'll be a huge list to do, so I should be able to do maybe 50/week ;)
[04:38] <ajmitch> bddebian: better to get things done early than to let them diverge
[04:39] <ajmitch> we'll have to do continual merges, if we choose to do so
[04:39] <bddebian> ajmitch: But if done too early won't it have to be redone ?
[04:39] <ajmitch> we can't wait until UVF
[04:39] <ajmitch> since we're going to be far stricter about UVF for dapper
[04:39] <ajmitch> things may have to be redone
[04:39] <\sh> who was saying it today...."the pain of a time based release"
[04:39] <ajmitch> but I think most will be fine
[04:40] <ajmitch> bddebian: it's all part of the MOTU fun! ;)
[04:40] <sistpoty> ajmitch: is debian thru the cxx-transition yet?
[04:40] <ajmitch> hah
[04:40] <ajmitch> no
[04:40] <sistpoty> damn :)
[04:40] <ajmitch> this is debian :P
[04:41] <Amaranth> they'd better finish before MoM starts up again
[04:41] <ajmitch> they won't
[04:41] <bddebian> ajmitch: Hey, maybe you'll get your main upload rights before Dapper releases ;-P
[04:41] <ajmitch> bddebian: of course I will
[04:41] <Amaranth> or that's going to be a bitch and could explain the 6.04(ish) release date ;)
[04:41] <ajmitch> bddebian: I'll probably need them in the first few weeks
[04:43] <bddebian> Maybe I'll have to shoot for them.. ;-P
[04:44] <bddebian> As well you should :-)
[04:45] <ajmitch> heh
[04:45] <ajmitch> it'll be bad enough me breaking main every week
[04:48] <sistpoty> heh, even now \sh is recruiting in #ubuntu-de :)
[04:48] <ajmitch> since I won't be able to celebrate for a couple of hours then
[04:48] <ajmitch> and I need to celebrate with a beer once it's released ;)
[04:49] <bddebian> ajmitch: Are you saying that I would break stuff?? :-)
[04:49] <\sh> sistpoty: hehe
[04:53] <ajmitch> bddebian: only half the time :)
[04:53] <bddebian> heh
[04:56] <bddebian> ajmitch: Let's get through Dapper first eh? :-)
[04:56] <ajmitch> oh dapper will be no problem,
[05:01] <\sh> well..
[05:02] <\sh> last cigarette before I'll close my eyes for a few minutes
[05:02] <ajmitch> ok :)
[05:02] <bddebian> \sh: Good idea :-)
[05:03] <\sh> yeah..
[05:03] <bddebian> w00t
[05:03] <\sh> and i hope i can smoke a good havannah cigar with barry during ubz
[05:04] <jsgotangco> is 12.2 our last image?
[05:04] <ajmitch> not without a divorce ;)
[05:04] <\sh> ajmitch: he should bring his wife and kids with him :)
[05:05] <jsgotangco> smokers rule
[05:05] <jeff_> ajmitch: are you in NZ?
[05:05] <ajmitch> yes, I am
[05:05] <jeff_> ajmitch: I have a good friend in the naki aka taranaki
[05:05] <\sh> ajmitch: a cigar is not smoking like a cigarette
[05:05] <ajmitch> ok
[05:05] <jeff_> ajmitch: I am going to fly up there in about 6 months
[05:05] <seth_k|lappy> man, the 13th is just release day! America's Army 2.5 comes tomorrow too
[05:06] <ajmitch> \sh: I've never tried one :)
[05:06] <ajmitch> jeff_: 'up there' ?
[05:06] <\sh> ajmitch: u should...with a good whiskey
[05:06] <ajmitch> :)
[05:06] <jeff_> ajmitch: well over there
[05:06] <ajmitch> \sh: well we might have a chance at UBZ ;)
[05:06] <\sh> ajmitch: yeah
[05:07] <bddebian> ajmitch: Aye, I won't be there :'-(
[05:08] <ajmitch> bddebian: a real shame
[05:08] <bddebian> Yes it is :-(
[05:09] <bddebian> Of course you'd probably just ridicule me anyway ;-)
[05:09] <ajmitch> of course not
[05:09] <whiprush> bddebian: dude you're teh future of motu.
[05:09] <whiprush> we need more bddebians
[05:10] <bddebian> whiprush: You are on crack too :-)
[05:10] <ajmitch> I can't have some upstart MOTU like bddebian beating me ;)
[05:10] <\sh> hehe...ok...closing my eyes ... shutdown -eyes now
[05:11] <bddebian> Heh, gnight \sh.  Congrats :-)
[05:18] <bddebian> ajmitch: Heh, watch your back for Dapper.. ;-P
[05:21] <sistpoty> weehee... i think i finally fixed xprint :)
[05:21] <sistpoty> http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/debdiffs/xprint_0.1.0.alpha1-11_to_alpha1-11ubuntu1.debdiff
[05:21] <ajmitch> bddebian: oh sure
[05:21] <ajmitch> bddebian: I'll probably have to retire as a MOTU
[05:21] <Kyral> maybe I will become a MOTU before Dapper + 1
[05:22] <bddebian> ajmitch: Heh
[05:22] <bddebian> sistpoty: Awesome
[05:22] <bddebian> Kyral: Nah, you'll be in for Dapper I'm sure if you keep up the good work :-)
[05:23] <sistpoty> bddebian: the init.d doesn't give strange messages any longer, but i dunno if it really works as expected (i dunno what this xprint does in the first place ;)
[05:23] <bddebian> :-)
[05:23] <Kyral> bddebian, hehe, thanks..
[05:23] <sistpoty> maybe s.o. would like to test and eventually upload *beg*? ;)
[05:23] <Kyral> I smell Futurama......and Family Guy...
[05:24] <Kyral> Okay TV Time :D
[05:24] <bddebian> sistpoty: I'd love to but I'm not sure I'd know how to test it either?? :-(
[05:24] <sistpoty> hm... anyone out there to know what xprint does? *g*
[05:27] <ogra> printing ?
[05:27] <bddebian> hehe
[05:27] <sistpoty> hehe, but how do can i use this?
[05:27] <ogra> small Xes probably
[05:28] <sistpoty> hm... i can read the words, but don't get their meaning *g*
[05:29] <ogra> no idea, its a add on for firefox afaik... but not needed anymore
[05:29] <ogra> you probably have wo if ff doesnt crash if you print while its installed
[05:29] <ogra> *won
[05:30] <sistpoty> k, I'll test this
[05:31] <Riddell> \sh gone to sleep?
[05:31] <ajmitch> yep
[05:45] <sistpoty> ok, firefox and mozilla didn't crash when printing with xprint, but i doubt it did even notice xprint...
[05:45] <sistpoty> i wasn't able to start xman (listed on things that work with xprint)
[05:45] <sistpoty> and xmore segfaultet :(
[05:46] <sistpoty> so I still have no clue bout xprint
[05:49] <sistpoty> well if s.o. who knows wants to test xprint, he could decide whether it should be uploaded. if not, breezy will have a version that ftbfs but is installable, so no real problem here anyways :)
[05:51] <sistpoty> gn8 folks
[05:51] <bddebian> Gnight sistpoty
[06:05] <Kyral> Happy Breezy Release everyone...
[06:05] <Kyral> zzzzz
[06:07] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: there you go, it made it before 7 :)
[06:17] <crimsun> congrats all, thanks for all the fish.
[06:30] <tseng> is universe closed for business?
[06:31] <ajmitch> yes
[06:31] <tseng> ok
[06:31] <tseng> fair enough
[06:31] <ajmitch> at least I believe so
[06:31] <ajmitch> since the release has been declared official
[06:31] <tseng> yeah, what do you know
[06:32] <bddebian> heh
[06:32] <jbailey> I know that I wish there was someone in town to go drinking with. ;)
[06:32] <tritium> hi nalioth
[06:32] <lifeless> bradb ?
[06:32] <bddebian> nalioth!!!
[06:32] <nalioth> howdy. can anyone tell me why there are multiple isos for powerpc breezy install on the torrent.ubuntu.com:6969   ?
[06:33] <tseng> sounds like an #ubuntu ?
[06:33] <tseng> get wha?
[06:33] <ajmitch> beer
[06:33] <lifeless> beer
[06:33] <tseng> beer is bad
[06:33] <ajmitch> lifeless will know what it is :)
[06:33] <tseng> umk
[06:33] <lifeless> ajmitch: they serve it on tap at paddy macguires here ;).
[06:34] <ajmitch> lifeless: great :)
[06:38] <bddebian> OK gang, beddy bye time for me.  Great work and Congrats!!! :-)
[06:38] <ajmitch> bye bddebian
[06:38] <tseng> bye bddebian
[06:38] <ajmitch> thanks for all your hard work on universe :)
[06:38] <bddebian> No, THANK YOU :-)
[06:39] <jsgotangco> night
[06:51] <alexr> Hi there. Anybody can help me with correcting gramps package?
[06:52] <crimsun> what's wrong with it?
[06:52] <alexr> It has been adopted from Debian.
[06:52] <alexr> Debian uses /usr/lib/python2.3 in the postinst to byte-compile all modules.
[06:53] <alexr> I am not sure about installed breezy, but on the live CD this step in postinst is just skipped.
[06:54] <alexr> Not the end of the world, but byte-compiled files provide for a faster startup and this is commonly done in the postinst for most python apps.
[06:54] <ajmitch> sigh, that was one synced *right* before release
[06:54] <crimsun> gramps |    2.0.8-1 | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages
[06:54] <crimsun> same as Sid.
[06:55] <ajmitch> yes
[06:55] <ajmitch> synced yesterday/today
[06:55] <alexr> Yes, but sid uses python2.3 and you guys use 2.4
[06:55] <ajmitch> which is a problem, and it should have been modified before upload
[06:55] <alexr> Yep.
[06:56] <alexr> Is it going to be on any of the CD images?
[06:56] <ajmitch> no
[06:56] <ajmitch> it's in universe
[06:56] <alexr> So then it can be corrected with another upload, sometime later, right?
[06:56] <Lathiat> so whats release status atm?
[06:57] <ajmitch> Lathiat: ISOs rsyncing to mirrors
[06:57] <ajmitch> alexr: unlikely, unless it's critical
[06:57] <ajmitch> alexr: unlikely for breezy that is
[06:57] <crimsun> alexr: you'll see it adjusted in Dapper.
[06:57] <alexr> No, it's not critical.
[06:57] <alexr> :-)
[06:57] <Lathiat> ajmitch: heh
[06:58] <alexr> I'm actually one of the upstream devels.
[06:58] <Lathiat> i see the avahi sync didnt make it :(
[06:58] <Lathiat> oh well
[06:58] <ajmitch> Lathiat: sad to say
[06:58] <Lathiat> its nothing major
[06:58] <alexr> Whoever packages it, maybe we should get this person on our mailing list?
[06:58] <ajmitch> which is why I suggested manual tweaks which kamion didn't like :)
[06:58] <ajmitch> alexr: debian  maintainer, not us :)
[06:58] <Lathiat> but postinst breaks if dbus-1-utils isnt installed :\
[06:58] <crimsun> alexr: you're welcome to, of course
[06:58] <ajmitch> since we have about 30 guys managing ~15000 packages ;)
[06:59] <alexr> ajmitch: Debian maintainer is on the list and we communicate pretty well.
[06:59] <alexr> His package works on his distro.
[06:59] <alexr> ajmitch: I hear you, no problem.
[06:59] <ajmitch> alexr: there's no 1 person in ubuntu who cares for the package
[06:59] <alexr> I see.
[06:59] <ajmitch> Lathiat: bad, but not critical
[06:59] <alexr> dallingham: seems we're too late, they already synced it for the release.
[06:59] <alexr> Oh well...
[07:00] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yeh, breaks kubuntu users installing it :(
[07:00] <ajmitch> Lathiat: which is why we wanted 0.5.2 in asap, to get that valuable testing ;)
[07:00] <Lathiat> edubuntu, xubuntu and uuntu -desktop all dep on dbus-1-utils so i never noticed
[07:03] <ajmitch> not like I have much to get now :)
[07:05] <alexr> gentlemen, do you know of any torrents to grab is ISOs?
[07:07] <ajmitch> alexr: #ubuntu
[07:07] <alexr> OK, thanks a lot!
[07:18] <Lathiat> yay :) Good work MOTU team.
[07:56] <ivoks> \sh: ending with syle :)
[07:56] <ivoks> style
[08:31] <dholbach> morning
[08:31] <ivoks> morning
[08:35] <dholbach> so a happy release day to everyone! :)
[08:37] (ivoks/#ubuntu-motu) dholbach: you too :)
[08:37] (ivoks/#ubuntu-motu) dholbach: but it's 5.10, not breezy :)
[08:38] <dholbach> ?
[08:38] <dholbach> you want to kid me :)
[08:38] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:38] <ivoks> :)
[08:38] <ivoks> 5.10 is official name
[08:39] <ivoks> breezy is codename
[08:39] <dholbach> both are official :)
[08:39] <ivoks> ok :)
[08:42] <dholbach> <- dogwalk
[08:42] <ivoks> The official name of any Ubuntu release is "Ubuntu X.YY" where X represents the year, less 2000, and YY represents the month of the release in that year
[08:42] <ivoks> (wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth)
[08:42] <ivoks> :p
[08:42] <ivoks> :}
[09:12] <dholbach> blblblblbl
[09:14] <siretart> happy release day everyone! yay breezy!
[09:27] <dholbach> YAY!
[09:27] <dholbach> how are you siretart ?
[09:39] <crimsun> welp, here comes b-updates
[09:49] <Tonio-> morning all
[09:50] <dholbach> morning Tonio-
[09:50] <dholbach> happy release day :)
[09:50] <Tonio-> yep ;)
[09:51] <Tonio-> same for you ;)
[09:51] <dholbach> thanks
[09:51] <Tonio-> I'm really fine to see that elmo has finally let yakuake come in universe ;)
[09:52] <Tonio-> I would have been sad to know jubuntu without this tool :)
[09:52] <dholbach> we all did things a little late :)
[09:53] <Tonio-> hehe
[09:54] <Tonio-> what wil happen to motu in the next month ?
[09:54] <Tonio-> is it still possible to package or will we have to wait a bit ?
[09:54] <dholbach> we will have to wait a tiny but until dapper is open
[09:55] <dholbach> it is possible to package and review, but not to upload at the moment
[09:55] <dholbach> apart from that, doing bug triage is a good thing to do atm
[09:55] <dholbach> and when dapper is open i URGE each and everyone to get involved in merging debian changes
[09:59] <markuman> i want to add desktopfile for xfce4-taskmanager. " Categories=XFCE;Application;System; " is that ok?
[10:00] <crimsun> markuman: sure. You'll have to queue them on REVU or somewhere.
[10:02] <markuman> crimsun: ive never done it before. so i have to update the package new to revu?
[10:02] <crimsun> is it on REVU now?
[10:03] <crimsun> if so, yes, update it
[10:03] <markuman> no, it was ready in revu and is now in universe
[10:04] <crimsun> oh, then just apt-get source, apply your changes, and queue them locally
[10:04] <crimsun> we can't upload until Dapper "opens for business"
[10:05] <markuman> hm ok
[10:06] <crimsun> hmm, we'd better kick this universe/multiverse-security thing into high gear
[10:11] <dholbach> yeah
[10:11] <Tonio-> dholbach: waiting for dapper I may give a look at rosetta
[10:11] <Tonio-> certainly a lot of things to do there
[10:12] <dholbach> malone too :-p
[10:12] <Tonio-> malone ? means ?
[10:12] <Lathiat> Tonio-: http://launchpad.net/malone/
[10:13] <xhaker> dayly 12.2 install i386 = final install ?
[10:13] <xhaker> final install i386?
[10:13] <Tonio-> never heard about it, I give a shot, thanks Lathiat
[10:13] <dholbach> xhaker:  you already said that the md5sum matched
[10:14] <dholbach> but yes, that's the one, 20051012.2 install + 20051012.3 live
[10:14] <xhaker> i know.. just thought, what if they rebuilded and it matched again
[10:14] <xhaker> lol
[10:14] <xhaker> :P
[10:14] <xhaker> thanks
[10:15] <xhaker> well
[10:15] <xhaker> later.. uni now
[10:38] <\sh> HAPPY HAPPY BADGER DAY BADGER DAY BADGER DAY *singingtothesoundofhelloween*
[10:39] <crimsun> d'oh
[10:39] <crimsun> I should have been belting out Two Minutes To Midnight
[10:40] <\sh> and nobody woke me up
[10:41] <Gervystar> nice job, dudes :)
[10:52] <\sh> Now
[10:56] <dholbach> what is the launchpad team for zope guys?
[10:56] <dholbach> there is pkg-zope, zope-admin and zope-dev
[10:56] <dholbach> none of them seems likey to be the one that i'm looking for
[11:02] <siretart> dholbach: mmh. very nervous :(
[11:03] <ajmitch> dholbach: who are you looking for?
[11:03] <ajmitch> ie, what zope guys? :)
[11:37] <\sh> ajmitch: good morning :)
[11:38] <slomo_> good morning :)
[11:38] <ajmitch> hi :)
[11:38] <ajmitch> what's up?
[11:39] <dholbach> morning sebastian, andrew! :)
[11:39] <dholbach> happy badger-day
[11:39] <ajmitch> yay
[11:39] <ajmitch> so shall we get started on dapper?
[11:39] <dholbach> yeah
[11:39] <dholbach> bug triage!
[11:39] <dholbach> :)
[11:39] <dholbach> package review
[11:39] <ajmitch> MOTU meeting in 1 week
[11:39] <ajmitch> add your items to the agenda
[11:39] <dholbach> enough to do
[11:39] <ajmitch> *plenty* of package reviewing to do
[11:40] <ajmitch> and we can start on merges
[11:40] <slomo_> hi daniel :)
[11:40] <ajmitch> dholbach: I think we can't leave merges too late - they need to be finished up at the same time as UBZ
[11:40] <ajmitch> bah
[11:40] <ajmitch> s/UBZ/UVF/
[11:41] <ajmitch> getting merges done by UBZ would be a good challenge ;)
[11:41] <slomo> yes... but is MoM already working?
[11:41] <\sh> http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/ <--- install flash and sing the badger song :)
[11:41] <ajmitch> slomo: probably not, and th archive isn't open
[11:41] <slomo> ajmitch: but we could collect millions of uploads and upload them when it's open ;)
[11:41] <ajmitch> slomo: sure
[11:42] <ajmitch> slomo: I'll probably do a few
[11:42] <dholbach> ajmitch: but dapper is not open yet
[11:42] <ajmitch> but it's meant to be open on tuesday
[11:42] <dholbach> ajmitch: so no merges now
[11:42] <ajmitch> dholbach: I'm aware of that :D
[11:42] <ajmitch> doesn't mean that I can't start looking
[11:42] <ajmitch> since I have a list of packages with *ubuntu* versions
[11:42] <ajmitch> a list of source packages in debian
[11:42] <ajmitch> and I can generate diffs
[11:43] <\sh> syncs are going first :)
[11:45] <ajmitch> of course
[11:45] <ajmitch> but anything with *ubuntu* version has to be handled manually by us
[11:46] <\sh> yepp
[11:46] <ajmitch> which is why I want to start on merges :)
[11:46] <ajmitch> I'll put lists up on tiber if you want
[11:46] <ajmitch> though MoM will do a fair bit for us
[11:47] <\sh> ajmitch: your choice...I need some rest first..
[11:47] <dholbach> i already sent one CD out via torrent again :)
[11:47] <ajmitch> \sh: ok
[11:47] <ajmitch> \sh: I need sleep tonight too
[11:47] <dholbach> \sh: me too, i'll take a nap... headache-wise
[11:47] <\sh> ajmitch: hehe
[11:47] <ajmitch> and I'll be offline/on dialup this weekend
[11:47] <ajmitch> visiting parents :)
[11:49] <\sh> i'll visit ogra and suse this weekend...so i'll be around..somehow but not actively
[11:49] <ajmitch> ok
[11:49] <ajmitch> say hi from all of us :)
[11:50] <\sh> hehe..will do :)
[11:54] <ajmitch> hm
[11:54] <ajmitch> ~2500 packages to merge in total
[11:54] <\sh> planet.debian.org
[11:54] <ajmitch> we are going to be *BUSY*
[11:54] <\sh> joey about ubuntu patches
[11:55] <ajmitch> \sh: I know, he was ranting before on irc
[11:56] <ajmitch> complaining about the patches that ubuntu people had done on his packages
[11:59] <ajmitch> slomo: you got famous, joeyh mentioned an rbscrobbler fix of yours ;)
[11:59] <\sh> hehehe
[11:59] <slomo> haha
[11:59] <slomo> wonderfull
[11:59] <slomo> does he hate me for it? ;)
[11:59] <ajmitch> of course
[12:00] <\sh> i should give him some nice examples of debian maintainer work :) building debian/* dynamically from upstream source
[12:00] <\sh> or upstream auto* magic which relies on debian/changelog
[12:00] <ajmitch> it's a good example of why we need to have decent quality standards for fixes we make
[12:00] <ajmitch> and how dpatch is not always best :)
[12:01] <slomo> so what's the real problem with dpatch?
[12:01] <\sh> ajmitch: i came to terms, that inline changes are better then dpatch
[12:01] <ajmitch> read that irc log
[12:01] <slomo> ok
[12:01] <\sh> ajmitch: but most of the time i try to fight with plain diff -ur
[12:01] <ajmitch> \sh: yeah, I started doing inline changes for some of my packages & having the patches as bzr branches
[12:01] <ajmitch> which HCT is meant to solve
[12:01] <ajmitch> since that's exactly what it does
[12:02] <ajmitch> I should switch to debian/ as a nested bzr tree though
[12:02] <ajmitch> instead of a separate branch to merge in
[12:02] <\sh> ajmitch: actually i need some training on bzr and hct and how it works..
[12:03] <\sh> ajmitch: think until tuesday is a good timeframe to read some new docs
[12:03] <ajmitch> man I need to blog my fridge photo
[12:03] <ajmitch> \sh: hct is not public yet
[12:03] <ajmitch> and bzr is easy to learn
[12:04] <ajmitch> bzr init
[12:04] <ajmitch> bzr add
[12:04] <ajmitch> make change
[12:04] <ajmitch> bzr commit
[12:04] <ajmitch> bzr branch ...
[12:04] <ajmitch> bzr merge ...
[12:04] <ajmitch> ;)
[12:04] <ajmitch> very nice & simple
[12:04] <slomo> hm, why does joey explictly mention that the rbscrobbler patch is for "another potentially security sensative application"? anyway, the problem he has with it will solve when we stop using bugzilla and switch everything to malone ;)
[12:26] <BockBilbo> hey
[12:26] <BockBilbo> i was just reading  a post of a MOTU member and discovered what you guys du
[12:26] <BockBilbo> *do
[12:27] <BockBilbo> :) I wanted to thank you all for your work :)
[12:29] <ajmitch> hi BockBilbo
[12:30] <BockBilbo> hi ajmitch
[12:31] <slomo> ajmitch: so what do you suggest? further using of dpatch when the package has no dpatch (or other) support yet or putting everything directly in the diff?
[12:31] <ajmitch> slomo: depends on the package & the patch you need to apply
[12:32] <ajmitch> if the package was using cdbs, then dpatch wouldn't be hard to tack on
[12:33] <ajmitch> if a patch is < 10 lines, then is dpatch worth it?
[12:33] <marcin_ant> hi masters
[12:33] <marcin_ant> I need some advice
[12:33] <marcin_ant> I wanto to create a package for some emacs stuff
[12:33] <ajmitch> dholbach: man, why do we just get zope bugs assigned on malone after release? :)
[12:33] <marcin_ant> and this module has directory /icons with some custom icons required by this app
[12:34] <marcin_ant> my question is - where should I install these icons?
[12:34] <marcin_ant> to /usr/share/pixmaps ?
[12:38] <ajmitch> sigh, fixes for me to upload to dapper already :)
[12:44] <BockBilbo> bye
[12:44] <BockBilbo> ;)
[12:44] <ajmitch> bye
[12:44] <ajmitch> hm
[12:44] <ajmitch> some people just don't stick around :)
[12:46] <tseng> heh
[12:47] <tseng> morning ajmitch et al
[12:47] <slomo> hi tseng :)
[12:48] <tseng> i guess this is an ok release for mono
[12:48] <tseng> i missed a few bugs
[12:49] <ajmitch> hi tseng
[12:49] <\sh> tseng: happy badger day :)
[12:50] <tseng> thanks
[01:09] <HiddenWolf> Guys, does xubuntu-desktop depend on xorg?
[01:10] <HiddenWolf> apt-cache show only pionts out xorg-driver-synaptics, which is odd
[01:11] <ajmitch> HiddenWolf: x-window-system-core
[01:12] <HiddenWolf> ajmitch, ah, I was looking for xserver-xorg
[01:12] <HiddenWolf> thanks
[01:12] <ajmitch> :)
[01:12] <slomo> ajmitch: what would you prefer? i have one upstream tarball without autotools generated... a) changed upstream tarball with the stuff, b) autotools run in rules or c) a big big patch for the autotools stuff?
[01:13] <ajmitch> I generally don't like autotools run in rules, but it might be ok in some situations..
[01:13] <ajmitch> in this case it's probably ok
[01:13] <ajmitch> you may want to build-depend on known-good auto* versions
[01:14] <slomo> hehe i don't like it either... but i don't like the other solutions too...
[01:14] <slomo> yes sure... i had a talk with infinity about autotools a while ago ;)
[01:19] <dooglus> is there a source of 'legit' md5sums for crucial binaries available?
[01:19] <dooglus> preferably signed by the ubuntu key
[01:47] <dholbach> see you
[01:48] <ajmitch> bye
[01:48] <\sh> should i get up and get some food or should i sleep some hours more
[01:48] <ajmitch> sleep
[01:48] <ajmitch> you deserve it
[01:50] <\sh> ajmitch: i'm too lazy to get up and shower .. so i'll sleep at least 2 hours more
[01:50] <ajmitch> hehe
[01:50] <ajmitch> I wish I could do that!
[01:51] <slomo> Mithrandir: thanks for clarifying the malone issue for joey ;)
[01:52] <slomo> Unfrgiven: seems like we didn't get the docs in for breezy :( shall i upload them again for dapper when it's open? or do you want to make some modifications first?
[01:59] <Mithrandir> slomo: uhm, fixed the markup now so it's a bit less yelling. :-)
[02:01] <ajmitch> slomo: yeah, they didn't quite get through NEW
[02:02] <slomo> ajmitch: really sad imho... that would be something we could give people who want to get into packaging...
[02:02] <ajmitch> we can still put the PDF online
[02:02] <ajmitch> it's not an obstacle
[02:02] <ajmitch> since they'd need to be online to grab it from universe ;)
[02:04] <\sh> push it onto the fridge
[02:26] <tseng> can the oem install do server?
[02:27] <tseng> or just desktop
[02:28] <HiddenWolf_> Guys, I just install xubuntu-desktop, but it doesn't start x automatically.
[02:28] <HiddenWolf_> :(
[02:29] <ajmitch> probably because you need a login manager like gdm
[02:30] <HiddenWolf_> ajmitch, true, that. gdm isn't installed
[02:52] <xerxas> Hi everyone
[02:52] <xerxas> and thanks for your great work for breezy to everyone
[02:52] <xerxas> kudos to everyone !
[02:52] <ajmitch> yes, thanks to all the motus who did such hard work :)
[02:55] <dholbach> ajmitch: stop  being THAT modest! :)
[02:55] <tseng> hugs all around
[02:55] <xerxas> :)
[02:55] <xerxas> and kisses
[02:55] <tseng> no
[02:55] <dholbach> hey tseng :)
[02:55] <ajmitch> dholbach: hmm?
[02:56] <dholbach> ajmitch: your comment seemed to indicate that only the other guys had been busy on breezy, you've been too
[02:57] <ajmitch> dholbach: no, just saying thanks to everyone who did work, I just played a small part in a rocking team :)
[03:11] <Kyral> Morning! Happy Release Day
[03:12] <ajmitch> morning
[03:12] <Kyral> So basically the MOTUs get a week off now?
[03:12] <ajmitch> nah
[03:13] <CaiN_SA> lol
[03:13] <CaiN_SA> it doesnt work that way
[03:13] <Kyral> Bleh you should
[03:13] <Kyral> Yousa be heroes!
[03:13] <ajmitch> we can't upload but we can keep fixing in anticipation of uploading
[03:13] <Kyral> lol
[03:13] <CaiN_SA> serious ajmitch ?
[03:13] <Kyral> Is it possible to have two PBuilders?
[03:13] <ajmitch> Kyral: of course
[03:13] <Kyral> How would that fly...
[03:14] <ajmitch> different pbuilder configurations?
[03:14] <Kyral> like how would I tell PBuilder to use the Dapper one instead of the Breezy one
[03:14] <tseng> heh
[03:14] <ajmitch> so I have wrapper scripts to run pbuilder build
[03:14] <ajmitch> with the right config
[03:15] <ajmitch> since I need sid pbuilder as well
[03:15] <ajmitch> Nafallo: sure, I have to have separate bases as well :)
[03:16] <Nafallo> ajmitch: why split the conf? it's not as you really use that for anything, right? :-)
[03:16] <Kyral> I'd just have different configs
[03:16] <ajmitch> Nafallo: yes, I do
[03:16] <thesaltydog> ajmitch, I need those scripts too...
[03:16] <Kyral> and then use Bash Aliases to tell them where to go ;P
[03:16] <ajmitch> Nafallo: separate hooks, for example
[03:17] <Nafallo> hmm. I just use the conf to tell pbuilder what to use without --basetgz on the cmdline :-P
[03:17] <slomo> ajmitch: and i'll have a experimental pbuilder config later ;) i finally need to test the stuff with the debian dbus and hal ;)
[03:17] <Kyral> i dnno
[03:17] <Nafallo> ah. I won't have stuff like that :-)
[03:17] <Kyral> but I need food
[03:17] <ajmitch> Nafallo: and separate apt cache for when there are same versions in sid & breezy (or dapper)
[03:17] <Kyral> cya
[03:17] <ajmitch> thesaltydog: hm? it's a 1 line script :)
[03:17] <Nafallo> I need hooks!
[03:18] <ajmitch> thesaltydog: sudo pbuilder build $PBOPT --configfile ~/debian/pbuilder/configs/breezy.pbuilderrc $@
[03:31] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:32] <ajmitch> hi
[04:20] <dholbach> "Libofx2 install problem"
[04:20] <dholbach> the neverending story :)
[04:21] <ajmitch> dholbach: oh man
[04:21] <ajmitch> dholbach: don't tell me :(
[04:22] <dholbach> #3104 malone
[04:23] <ogra> brrezy-updates candidate ?
[04:23] <ajmitch> I tested an upgrade of it, it went fine!
[04:23] <ajmitch> ogra: can be worked around, but might be a candidate
[04:23] <ajmitch> aha!
[04:23] <ajmitch> that bugs is FIXED
[04:24] <ajmitch> ubuntu8 is in the archive, from what I can see
[04:24] <ajmitch> which is what I uploaded
[04:24] <ajmitch> so I don't know how they're getting that version
[04:25] <ajmitch> breezy (libs): library to support Open Financial Exchange [universe] 
[04:25] <ajmitch> 1:0.8.0-3ubuntu8: amd64 i386 powerpc
[04:26] <ajmitch> gah
[04:26] <ivoks> hr mirror is stuffed :)
[04:26] <ajmitch> you had to spoil our day
[04:27] <ivoks> no, that's a good bug
[04:27] <ivoks> everybody is downloading breezy
[04:27] <Nafallo> ivoks: http://farbror.acc.umu.se/stats/monitordata/index.shtml
[04:27] <Nafallo> ivoks: test[01]  is us :-P
[04:27] <ajmitch> dholbach: still have libofx1c2 around to test the upgrade?
[04:27] <dholbach> no :(
[04:27] <ivoks> Nafallo: lol :)
[04:27] <ajmitch> dholbach: oh well
[04:28] <ajmitch> dholbach: I'm going to close the bug as fixed, since the upload I did worked for me
[04:28] <dholbach> right
[04:28] <bddebian> Isn't libofx1c2 still in the archive?
[04:28] <ajmitch> bddebian: I hope not
[04:28] <bddebian> I think it is.
[04:28] <Nafallo> bddebian: grisbi said it couldn't install it...
[04:29] <ajmitch> bddebian: not according to packages.ubuntu.com
[04:29] <ajmitch> sigh, someone also filed a bugzilla bug about it
[04:29] <ajmitch> so many bugs to close
[04:29] <bddebian> Hmm
[04:36] <sistpoty> hi folks
[04:36] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[04:36] <ajmitch> hi sistpoty
[04:37] <sistpoty> omg... i'm testing kvirc3 on unstable, and it behaves totally different *g* but looks quite nice :)
[04:38] <bddebian> unstable?  WTF is that? ;-)
[04:38] <sistpoty> hehe
[04:38] <Yagisan> bddebian - he must mean windows :)
[04:39] <bddebian> hehe
[04:41] <dholbach> hey sistpoty :)
[04:41] <dholbach> happy badger-day!
[04:42] <ajmitch> dholbach: it's still badger day?
[04:43] <dholbach> yeah :)
[04:44] <ajmitch> 14th here :)
[04:44] <bddebian> 10:44am 13th here ;-P
[04:44] <ajmitch> hm
[04:44] <ajmitch> 3:44am here ;)
[04:45] <bddebian> eeks
[04:46] <dholbach> ouch
[04:46] <Yagisan> it's only 12:46am here
[04:46] <ajmitch> getting in training for ubz ;)
[04:47] <ajmitch> starting to feel a little tired though
[04:47] <ajmitch> might sleep now
[04:48] <Yagisan> ajmitch - but you are from the land of V, go on you can do a 24hr shift :)
[04:48] <ajmitch> already had a couple of V today
[04:48] <ajmitch> got ~4 hours sleep last night
[04:48] <ajmitch> so about ready to sleep ;)
[04:49] <ajmitch> Yagisan: due soon?
[04:49] <Yagisan> ajmitch: within 6 weeks - due November 20
[04:49] <ajmitch> ah ok
[04:49] <Yagisan> but we don't think it will last that long
[04:49] <ajmitch> I hope it all goes well for you all :)
[04:50] <Yagisan> thanks ajmitch
[04:50] <ajmitch> ok, good night all
[04:50] <ajmitch> see you in a few hours
[04:50] <Yagisan> Goodnight
[04:50] <sistpoty> gn8 ajmitch
[04:50] <dholbach> sleep tight andrew
[04:51] <siretart> hey folks!
[04:51] <sistpoty> huhu siretart
[04:51] <siretart> gn8 ajmitch
[04:51] <siretart> what are you doing here?  breezy released, go out and party! :)
[04:51] <Yagisan> siretart - the parties right here
[04:51] <siretart> hehe
[05:03] <bddebian> gnight ajmitch
[05:05] <bddebian> Heya siretart
[05:05] <mrimbert> good morning, bddebian
[05:05] <bddebian> Hello mrimbert
[05:09] <spayne> well done guys! i'm proud of you all :)
[05:10] <dholbach> hey guys :)
[05:10] <dholbach> happy badger day
[05:10] <spayne> dholbach: the release i made a 1in16000 contribution to!
[05:11] <dholbach> that was just the first step
[05:11] <dholbach> we'll be such a ROCKing team for dapper
[05:11] <bddebian> w0000t
[05:12] <dholbach> we'll have a cool team infrastructure
[05:12] <dholbach> with different goals, and we'll have universe much cleaner
[05:12] <dholbach> dapper will be SOOO cool
[05:12] <spayne> dholbach: different goals?
[05:12] <bddebian> dholbach: Even with adding a bunch of apt-get.org crap? ;-)
[05:13] <dholbach> bddebian: absolutely
[05:13] <dholbach> spayne: we'll have a media team, the desktop team, and teams we all can only dream of, and those will set their own goals, of course, we'll have goals across ubuntu/universe land
[05:13] <dholbach> :)
[05:13] <mrimbert> dholbach: what's the team infrastructure going to be like?
[05:14] <bddebian> How about the "DropTheOldCrapThatNooneCaresAboutTeam" ? ;-P
[05:14] <spayne> dholbach: and will i be part of it :)?
[05:14] <dholbach> bddebian: i'll be their secretary :)
[05:14] <dholbach> spayne: sure
[05:14] <dholbach> mrimbert: you mean technically?
[05:15] <mrimbert> dholbach: I sort of starting typing before you described the info about the teams...that's suficient
[05:15] <mrimbert> ;)
[05:15] <dholbach> naturally, it all depends on the people forming the teams
[05:15] <dholbach> and the stuff they want to work on
[05:16] <dholbach> but i'll do all i can to get them off the ground
[05:16] <Tonio-> dholbach: nice plan ;) but won't it be a bit short to organise this, define goals, structure teams and do the job ?
[05:17] <mrimbert> I think a bit more structure may make us (well, at least me) more productive
[05:17] <dholbach> Tonio-: the teams will be there for more than one release cycle :)
[05:17] <mrimbert> having bddebian delegate tasks to me would make me even more productive ;)
[05:18] <bddebian> Hmm
[05:18] <dholbach> mrimbert: yeah, i guess it's time to form teams and "announce them" and their ideas, so people would fill up the place... i think it's time for it
[05:19] <sistpoty> hehe
[05:19] <dholbach> bddebian: will that be the mentors team or what? *ducks*
[05:19] <dholbach> just kidding :)
[05:19] <mrimbert> bddebian: you've always put yourself down, and here you are now a Hero of the MOTUs.  I'm proud of you, dude.
[05:19] <dholbach> bddebian: that team will take care of the debian/copyright files of apt-get.org, right?
[05:19] <bddebian> heh.  Bah, who cares about copyright?? ;-P
[05:20] <dholbach> mrimbert: ++
[05:20] <bddebian> mrimbert: Thank you but I have no idea why people say that.
[05:20] <mrimbert> bddebian: you're just being modest
[05:21] <bddebian> mrimbert: No I'm not.  I really am not very good at this stuff so it's kind of embarrasing :)
[05:46] <dholbach> bbiab
[05:49] <spayne> slomo: ping
[05:50] <slomo> spayne: pong
[05:51] <spayne> slomo: sods law. the day breezy is released, i have to go and compile banshee, ipod-sharp and libipoddevice from source. sigh.
[05:51] <slomo> spayne: hehe... why? because your database version is 14 or higher?
[05:51] <spayne> slomo: yeh :(
[05:51] <slomo> you can reset the version with gtkpod
[05:51] <spayne> slomo: i have to format it on my mothers windows box which has iTunes 5/6
[05:52] <slomo> and expect a new release of banshee soon for dapper ;)
[05:52] <spayne> slomo: so i could format it on her pc, load it into gtkpod, change the DB and use banshee :)
[05:53] <spayne> slomo: since Dapper looks like a completly new start, i'm not running it until quite a way on. i can build using pbuilder :)
[05:53] <slomo> you could try... but afaik all files are lost after changing the version in gtkpod
[05:53] <spayne> slomo: don't care :)
[05:54] <spayne> slomo: now that backports can get going properly, i suspect a backported version when it gets into dapper :)
[05:54] <Nafallo> slomo: make sure something-ipod is the first package in dapper, kthxbai ;-)
[05:54] <slomo> Nafallo: sure :P it's a requirement for new banshee
[05:55] <spayne> slomo: and then get it backported :)
[05:56] <Nafallo> slomo: yea, this means you have to 1) Make a script that checks for when dapper is availible and run a dput, or 2) Be awake and guard the stuff yourself :-).
[05:56] <bddebian> slomo: Did you upload an xgsmlib fix?
[05:56] <slomo> Nafallo: :P
[05:57] <slomo> bddebian: yes... found one in the debian bts
[05:57] <bddebian> slomo: That doesn't fix it and it doesn't apply ;-)
[05:57] <slomo> bddebian: wtf? it built fine everywhere?
[05:58] <bddebian> Hmm
[05:58] <bddebian> dpatch  apply-all
[05:58] <bddebian> applying patch 01_gcc-4.0 to ./ ... failed.
[05:58] <bddebian> make: *** [patch-stamp]  Error 1
[05:58] <slomo> bddebian: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/x/xgsmlib/0.2-4ubuntu1/
[05:59] <slomo> applying patch 01_gcc-4.0 to ./ ... ok.
[06:04] <bddebian> WTF
[06:09] <slomo> bddebian: hm?
[06:09] <\sh> bddebian: happy badger day
[06:09] <\sh> and I slept the whole day
[06:09] <bddebian> \sh: Yeah, you too :-)
[06:10] <koke> hi all!
[06:10] <bddebian> slomo: I don't get why mine won't apply?? :(
[06:10] <bddebian> Heya koke
[06:10] <koke> good news (I guess), I may go to UBZ :)
[06:11] <\sh> bddebian: forget it for now..and check this with flash enabled
[06:11] <\sh> http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/
[06:11] <bddebian> Awesome. I wish I could go :-(
[06:12] <bddebian> heh
[06:13] <mrimbert> Have a good day, all.
[06:13] <bddebian> You too mrimbert
[06:13] <mrimbert> gotta get some work done
[06:13] <mrimbert> :)
[06:20] <sistpoty> cya guys
[06:29] <bddebian> wb dholbach
[06:30] <dholbach> re, thanks barry :)
[06:30] <bddebian> :-)
[06:39] <crimsun> damn you, slashdot.
[06:40] <\sh> crimsun: ?
[06:41] <bddebian> crimsun: Just out of curiosity did you ever get VLC merged?
[06:42] <crimsun> bddebian: yes, reverted to wxwindows2.4
[06:42] <crimsun> ii  vlc                             0.8.4-svn20050920-3+hal0ubuntu3
[06:43] <bddebian> crimsun: Ah.. nice
[06:43] <bddebian> crimsun: Did that close any of the Malone bugs? ;-)
[06:43] <crimsun> \sh: whoever posted to slashdot used a direct link to the isos on us.releases, which effectively craps the entire breezy-updates part
[06:43] <crimsun> bddebian: yes
[06:43] <bddebian> Sweet
[06:47] <\sh> jepp
[06:47] <\sh> crimsun: but now we have also easy ubuntu...and i hope it doesn
[06:47] <\sh> 't come along with a new idea of inofficial backports
[06:48] <\sh> anyways...i
[06:48] <\sh> bah...
[06:48] <\sh> i need some food....
[06:48] <\sh> #laters
[06:51] <bddebian> Later \sh
[06:52] <Nafallo> tseng: I might have found something you want ;-)
[06:52] <Nafallo> tseng: http://alioth.debian.org/projects/rapt-proxy/
[07:00] <GazerWork> http://portal.mnet.net.uk/Canonical/access4.lon2-g0-3-day.png <-- trafico de las ultimas 24 hs de Ubuntu :)
[07:02] <Nafallo> GazerWork: meaning? :-)
[07:07] <Diablo-D3> so guys
[07:07] <Diablo-D3> I think gazer said "holy shit, look at ubuntu traffic over the past 24 hours"
[07:07] <Nafallo> datacenter?
[07:08] <Diablo-D3> hahahah 680mbit/sec+ for long periods
[07:08] <Diablo-D3> for, lets say, 8 hours
[07:08] <Diablo-D3> so thats 85mb/sec
[07:09] <Diablo-D3> and lets say the cd is 700 megs
[07:09] <Diablo-D3> it takes roughly 8.25 seconds to download that cd.
[07:10] <Diablo-D3> and theres been 28800 seconds in those 8 hours
[07:10] <Diablo-D3> thats almost 3491 downloads.
[07:10] <Diablo-D3> or lets say, almost 3500, make it nice and round.
[07:11] <dholbach> with torrent turned on, i just served 3 :)
[07:11] <Diablo-D3> so in the first 8 hours, one mirror served 3500 copies of the cd.
[07:12] <bddebian> w00t
[07:13] <jamessan|work> take a break  :)
[07:13] <dholbach> bddebian: bug triage
[07:13] <Diablo-D3> I'm going to go blogabout this
[07:13] <dholbach> :)
[07:13] <bddebian> dholbach: pfft :-)
[07:14] <bddebian> How can I fix bugs when I can't upload? :-)
[07:15] <dholbach> just to close the ones that are fixed/crack, forward that stuff that needs to be done upstream, ...
[07:15] <dholbach> "just"
[07:16] <dholbach> or ask, if users still have the problem
[07:16] <Diablo-D3> you cant upload?
[07:16] <Diablo-D3> why not?
[07:16] <dholbach> because dapper is not open yet
[07:16] <dholbach> and breezy closed
[07:16] <Diablo-D3> oh
[07:17] <Nafallo> se.releases.ubuntu.com already served more than 4TB :-)
[07:18] <Diablo-D3> Nafallo: yeah, but how much in the first 8 hours?
[07:18] <Nafallo> that's install and live for i386 and amd64, aswell as install kubuntu i386 :-)
[07:18] <Nafallo> http://farbror.acc.umu.se/stats/monitordata/index.shtml
[07:19] <Nafallo> test[01]  is us :-)
[07:21] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[07:21] <Diablo-D3> this only has about 7 hours
[07:21] <Nafallo> well, it had to sync it first ;-)
[07:22] <Diablo-D3> 2148 + 1902 gbyte
[07:22] <Diablo-D3> 4050 gigs
[07:22] <Diablo-D3> 4147200 megs
[07:23] <Diablo-D3> /7*8 to correct for only 7 hours of data
[07:23] <Diablo-D3> 4739657 megs
[07:23] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[07:24] <Diablo-D3> thats not what I want
[07:24] <Diablo-D3> doh
[07:24] <Diablo-D3> 203.7mbit +180.3mbit average
[07:24] <Diablo-D3> 384
[07:25] <Diablo-D3> 439mbit/sec over 8 hours
[07:25] <Diablo-D3> 54mbyte/sec over 8 hours
[07:25] <Diablo-D3> er 55
[07:26] <Diablo-D3> 13 seconds to download the iso
[07:26] <Diablo-D3> almost 2216 times
[07:36] <Tonio-> hum.... have a technical question, maybe someone will know....
[07:36] <bddebian> Tonio-: Shoot
[07:36] <Tonio-> is there any linux tool that can allow data extraction from an exchange 5.5 database ?
[07:36] <bddebian> Data extraction?
[07:37] <Tonio-> I need to recover datas that are in an exchange 5.5 database...
[07:37] <Tonio-> but here I have AD2003 + echange 2003.... I don't want to rebuild a complete environnement for this....
[07:38] <Tonio-> and didn't find any windows for this (except paying ones)
[07:38] <dredg> exmerge
[07:38] <dredg> it can dump mailboxes to pst files
[07:38] <Tonio-> dredg: I have an exchange database, EDB ;)
[07:38] <Tonio-> with pst the problem would have been resolved in 3 minutes ;)
[07:39] <Tonio-> and exmerge 2003 causes issues with 5.5 format....
[07:39] <Tonio-> I already tried that without success
[07:40] <Tonio-> I agree it works fine with exmerge provided with exchange 2000
[07:43] <Tonio-> dredg: what I can do is reinstall an exchange 5.5 and use exmerge, but that needs a maximum windows 2000 server, which means resinstalling a full environment.....
[07:44] <bddebian> wb \sh
[07:44] <dredg> Tonio-: sorry, i've not used exchange in 3 years and i'm running on fuckall sleep
[07:44] <\sh> re
[07:44] <dredg> i'm out of ideas
[07:45] <\sh> what?
[07:45] <Tonio-> dredg: hehe, no pb, anyway thanks for the suggestion ;) It seems microsoft broke any possible work or link between 5.5 and 2003
[07:45] <\sh> Tonio-: evo and exchange 2003?
[07:46] <Tonio-> Windows 2003 refuses to let that 5.5 install..... while it works with 2000
[07:46] <dredg> the db formats maybe. perhaps you can join a 5.5 server to a 2003 org?
[07:46] <\sh> yes
[07:46] <\sh> normal
[07:46] <\sh> never use windows, if there is a unix way
[07:47] <Tonio-> dredg: no impossible to join, already tried ;)
[07:47] <\sh> and this way's named lotus notes
[07:48] <Tonio-> anyway.... gonna install a windows 2000 server, a new active directory, exchange 5.5 (that need a domain to install, f**k), and play with exmerge....
[07:48] <\sh> Tonio-: u want to migrate?
[07:49] <Tonio-> no, I have to check old datas that have been lost by my boss (stupid guy that doesn't want to make pst backups)....
[07:49] <\sh> Tonio-: ah...
[07:49] <Tonio-> datas have been save 3 years ago....
[07:49] <\sh> 5.5 and 2000 compatible somehow
[07:49] <\sh> 5.0 and 5.5 not
[07:49] <\sh> and 2003 is out of question
[07:49] <Tonio-> \sh: yes it is compatible
[07:50] <Tonio-> that's the reason I need to build a AD v2000 on a W2000 server....
[07:50] <Tonio-> compatibility problems is really the total evidence of opensource advantages..... ;)
[07:51] <Tonio-> well, have to go, but thanks for your help \sh and dredg
[07:51] <\sh> the mail storages we rescued it was 5 days in a row to import it back to 5.0
[07:51] <\sh> calendar data never came back
[07:52] <Tonio-> \sh: please don't say any other word, calendar is what I have to backup so shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
[07:52] <Tonio-> let me think it'll work ;)
[07:52] <\sh> Tonio-: no ways
[07:52] <\sh> Tonio-: it's even written in migration papers of ms
[07:52] <\sh> the way 5.5 -> 5.0 that is ;)
[07:52] <\sh> but 5.5 -> 2000 was the same somehow...calendar data missing
[07:53] <\sh> because they're using a stupid system how they manage the user in windows and exchange
[07:53] <\sh> if this strange user-sid is not the same forget it
[07:53] <Tonio-> well I don't have to migrate in fact, If I rebuild the complete environement, just export from exchange 5.5 in pst..... that may work but is a hedge long process for a stupid calendar....
[07:53] <\sh> Tonio-: do u have a bdc?
[07:54] <Tonio-> no bdc in 2000 and 2003 environnement :)
[07:54] <Tonio-> that's for NT
[07:54] <dredg> have you multiple DC's?
[07:54] <Tonio-> all that you have is domain controllers and a "pdc emulator"
[07:54] <Tonio-> yep
[07:54] <\sh> Tonio-: that's what a backup dc is nowadays...
[07:54] <Tonio-> multiple but everything is 2003
[07:54] <bddebian> Well you do have a DMFSO ;-)
[07:54] <\sh> Tonio-: argl...in there are all the user data which is needed to restore the structure
[07:55] <Tonio-> technically all my dcs have roles so none of them is a "backup"
[07:56] <Tonio-> well, i really think that building an isolated environnement from scratch is the easier way to proceed, even if the longuer.....
[07:56] <\sh> Tonio-: good luck
[07:56] <Tonio-> why didn't they bought the exchange agent for arcserve ???? !!!!!
[07:56] <\sh> bddebian: dmfso?
[07:57] <bddebian> Domain Master File System Object iirc
[07:57] <Tonio-> \sh: thanks for the encouragements ;)
[07:57] <bddebian> Basically a PDC that they don't tell you is a PDC ;-P
[07:57] <\sh> bddebian: thx god ,) something new jesus learned today ;)
[07:58] <bddebian> heh
[07:58] <dredg> no, not voodoo. and all in clear understandable english.
[07:58] <dredg> *cough*
[08:02] <LaserJock> hi all, is there a place that I can find some instructions/documentation/info on launchpad?
[08:03] <\sh> LaserJock: there was today an announcement on ubuntu-devel
[08:03] <dholbach> i'm out for a beed and some food... see you later
[08:03] <bddebian> Later Daniel
[08:03] <ogra> :/
[08:20] <LaserJock> wow, this launchpad thing is cool
[08:21] <LaserJock> hmm, Karma: 0   that's not good ;-)
[08:29] <Nafallo> ehm
[08:29] <Nafallo> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/hula/+bug/3073
[08:29] <Nafallo> anyone understand that one? :-)
[08:30] <bddebian> LaserJock: Yeah, get bugfixin' ;-P
[08:31] <LaserJock> bddebian: I'm on it ;-)
[08:32] <bddebian> LaserJock: Your goal is to catch ajmitch's karma by the end of October ;-P
[08:32] <LaserJock> ohhh, I don't think so
[08:33] <bddebian> LaserJock: Mine then? ;-)
[08:35] <LaserJock> not, even
[08:35] <bddebian> C'mon man, mine is lower that ajmitch's
[08:35] <LaserJock> maybe buy Dapper+3 or so
[08:36] <bddebian> ANd I'm st00pid
[08:50] <LaserJock> what happens to stuff form UniverseFTBS that didn't make Breezy?
[08:50] <bddebian> LaserJock: It will get fixed for Dapper?
[08:52] <LaserJock> well, ok, let me be more clear. I requested syncs of dvi2ps and wterm but I just got an email from elmo that they didn't make it.
[08:52] <LaserJock> how do I make sure they get synced for Dapper?
[08:52] <LaserJock> will elmo do it automatically?
[08:53] <bddebian> LaserJock: Might be good just to send him a reminder in a week or two but I can't say for sure.
[08:53] <LaserJock> ok
[08:54] <LaserJock> bddebian: btw, you aren't too far behind ajmitch in the karma race. I wouldn't worry too much ;-)
[08:54] <\sh> LaserJock: first all syncs are coming from debian sid to ubuntu again
[08:54] <\sh> LaserJock: and then we will have the MoM run again...and in this time, we will check if we can forget the ubuntu changes and sync from debian
[08:54] <\sh> LaserJock: and if everythings fine with LP we can trigger the syncs from LP
[08:55] <LaserJock> ahh, cool
[08:55] <\sh> THAT's a PLAN...THAT's what I think is a PLAN ;)
[08:55] <ivoks> hi
[08:55] <ivoks> i get the feeling that lists.ubuntu.com is misconfigured :/
[08:55] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[08:55] <Nafallo> \sh: oh?! rock on :-)
[08:56] <Nafallo> ivoks: dude... ENOBANDWIDTH rather :-)
[08:56] <ivoks> Nafallo: ?
[08:56] <\sh> ivoks: we're ruling da world
[08:56] <ivoks> i know :)
[08:56] <Nafallo> ivoks: http://portal.mnet.net.uk/Canonical/access4.lon2-g0-3.html
[08:56] <Nafallo> :-)
[08:57] <ivoks> you should see hr.comp.os.linux
[08:57] <ivoks> ubuntu is THE topic
[08:57] <Nafallo> :-)
[08:57] <\sh> NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL TRAFFIC ;)
[08:57] <ivoks> :)
[08:57] <slomo> hmm... i wonder what would happen if they all used the torrents? ;)
[08:57] <ivoks> i wanted to net install 20 machines in my lab
[08:58] <ivoks> heh... after 7 retrys on mirror i gave up :)
[08:58] <Nafallo> ivoks: apt-proxy... ;-)
[08:58] <\sh> slomo: see it like this...ubuntu is driving actually the current german DENIC traffic only with some isos ;)
[08:58] <ivoks> Nafallo: it was too late :)
[08:58] <ivoks> Nafallo: i have proxy
[08:58] <Nafallo> :-P
[08:58] <ivoks> Nafallo: but first machine couldn't get trough... :)
[08:59] <Nafallo> I know what you mean... :-)
[08:59] <Nafallo> I runned apt-get update for 25 minutes ;-(
[08:59] <slomo> \sh: woah nice =) where do you get this from?
[08:59] <\sh> slomo: last time I had a look over the traffic stats of denic, it was ~3-4GB/s
[08:59] <Nafallo> lol
[09:00] <\sh> slomo: and that was only the normal p0rn traffic in germany
[09:00] <bddebian> ehe
[09:00] <Nafallo> "why are the Internet sinced? new ubuntu release!"
[09:00] <bddebian> Uhm
[09:00] <\sh> slomo: denic[!^telecom] 
[09:04] <slomo> hm, does someone have access to a weird architecture? sparc or ia64 maybe? ;)
[09:05] <ivoks> jesus...
[09:05] <ivoks> even ubuntu.com is slow :)
[09:05] <slomo> ivoks: _everything_ is slow ;)
[09:05] <ivoks> :)
[09:05] <ivoks> slomo: even cnn.com :)
[09:05] <\sh> ivoks: *.UBUNTU.COM is  SWITCHING DA HELL
[09:05] <\sh> blinkenlights ;)
[09:08] <bddebian> WE'RE BRINGING DOWN DER INTARWEB.. w000t :-)
[09:09] <ivoks> :)
[09:16] <LaserJock> oh no, bddebian I just filed a Malone bug. Is that negative karma or something ;-)
[09:24] <crimsun> yeah, it means his karma is reset to nil
[09:24] <crimsun> ;-)
[09:24] <bddebian> hehe
[09:25] <LaserJock> I guess, if I fix it then I'm even
[09:25] <ivoks> bye guys!
[09:26] <ivoks> great job!
[09:26] <bddebian> Later ivoks, you too! :-)
[09:26] <bddebian> LaserJock: Yep, -1 + 1 = 0 ;-P
[09:38] <Diablo-D3> http://shadowconflict.blogspot.com/2005/10/ubuntu-510-breezy-is-out.html
[09:38] <Diablo-D3> btw, if anyone wants that
[09:41] <tseng> Nafallo: nice
[09:42] <Diablo-D3> 5725 potential users <3
[09:55] <ajmitch> morning all
[09:55] <trulux> heya ajmitch
[09:56] <ivoks> ajmitch: morning
[09:58] <\sh> http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/ <---- that runs now all the time on the r200 in a very nerving high volume setting ;)
[09:58] <ajmitch> haha
[09:58] <ajmitch> \sh: how drunk are you? ;)
[09:58] <\sh> ajmitch: no beer, no alc at all :) only coke
[09:58] <ajmitch> heh
[09:59] <\sh> ajmitch: if you hear this all the day, I think you'll get a high at all ;)
[09:59] <\sh> badger badger badger badger
[09:59] <\sh> mushroooohooom ;)
[09:59] <ivoks> :)))
[10:00] <\sh> lol
[10:00] <\sh> I like it ;)
[10:00] <ivoks> omg
[10:01] <ivoks> \sh: you need professional help :)
[10:01] <\sh> ivoks: heheh
[10:01] <ogra> shnake !
[10:01] <bddebian> Yes, he does :-)
[10:01] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[10:02] <ajmitch> hi bddebian
[10:02] <ajmitch> ogra: got the iso tested & released?
[10:02] <ogra>  mins ago
[10:02] <ogra> 2
[10:03] <ajmitch> congrats
[10:03] <ogra> thanks ...
[10:03] <bddebian> w00t
[10:03] <ogra> was the wors stuff ever ...
[10:03] <ogra> worst...
[10:04] <ogra> i was expecting to be happy in the end... but somehiw this frustrating day overcasted it all...
[10:04] <ajmitch> next release will be far smoother :)
[10:04] <ogra> probably oly a lack of sleep
[10:04] <ivoks> lol
[10:04] <ogra> hopefully
[10:04] <ivoks> check this out
[10:04] <ivoks> EU Claims Internet Could Fall Apart Next Month
[10:04] <ivoks> :)
[10:04] <ajmitch> ogra: we'll cheer you up at UBZ
[10:04] <ivoks> must be the breezy thing :)
[10:05] <\sh> now this is the worst blog entry I ever made...this will annoy everybody
[10:05] <ogra> ivoks, then they shoudld tighten the screws before that happens, silly EU
[10:05] <\sh> it's a blog flash ddos ,-)
[10:05] <Nafallo> ivoks: answer them with that dapper will not be released till 6.04 ;-)
[10:05] <ivoks> :)
[10:09] <\sh> ogra: now most things are settled...write your announcement and go to bed...u'll need your strength tomorrow
[10:10] <LaserJock> cya guys, It's time to install a freshly burned Breezy Badger :-)
[10:10] <ogra> \sh, announcement is out ... waiting for jdub to moderate it
[10:11] <\sh> damn...it's filtered
[10:21] <\sh> for dapper I need really a _real_ WS
[10:21] <ajmitch> yes
[10:21] <ajmitch> I don't know when I'll be able to replace my existing box
[10:22] <\sh> not a small laptop like this...amd64 4gb ram, 250gb sata hd...
[10:22] <ajmitch> but it's > 3 years old now
[10:22] <ajmitch> \sh: raid it :)
[10:22] <ajmitch> I'd fill up 250GB too quickly
[10:22] <\sh> ajmitch: hey I'm running here with a 40gb hd
[10:23] <ajmitch> ouch
[10:23] <Nafallo> hehe
[10:23] <\sh> 15GB for / 300MB /boot 1GB swap the rest /home
[10:24] <Nafallo> 300MB /boot. WTF are you planning to place there? 5 elephants and a kernel?
[10:24] <Nafallo> :-)
[10:24] <Nafallo> ehm?
[10:25] <\sh> Nafallo: i know...it was a mistake in the beginning of installing hoary ;)
[10:25] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: too much pr0n.
[10:25] <Nafallo> saving stuff uploaded to the archive?
[10:25] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: too much apt-proxy
[10:25] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: baah. ~/pr0n for that :-)
[10:25] <Nafallo> ajmitch: adjust your conf dude :-P
[10:25] <ivoks> ws?
[10:25] <ajmitch> Nafallo: no kidding :)
[10:25] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: "local mirror". :-)
[10:26] <ajmitch> I figure it's about time I cleaned out all old versions in apt-proxy for breezy
[10:26] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: yes, I should put that on the spare box
[10:26] <\sh> Mithrandir: nifty toys...my 160GB is only used as local jukebox for shuffle mp3s ,-)
[10:27] <Nafallo> ajmitch: just adjust the conf and it should do that itself with next apt-get update? :-)
[10:27] <ajmitch> Nafallo: probably not
[10:27] <\sh> but anyways...my dingeling is bigger ,-)
[10:27] <ajmitch> haha
[10:27] <Mithrandir> \sh: you don't get 2.5" of more than ~120G => not bus powered => not usable with a laptop.
[10:28] <\sh> Mithrandir: it's 3.5" and not for travelling
[10:29] <\sh> ogra: should I setup a dircproxy for u?
[10:29] <Nafallo> ajmitch: true. probably croned :-)
[10:29] <ogra> \sh, i'm fine with my laptop running 24h :) but thanks
[10:30] <\sh> ogra: bah..your laptop is a full WS but without the tower chassy
[10:31] <\sh> ok..last cigarette...tomorrow I have to get up early to leave early ;)
[10:31] <ogra> :)
[10:31] <ajmitch> Nafallo: I think apt-proxy's cleanup code just isn't working right for me
[10:32] <bddebian> Ahhh, see that bug count rise...
[10:32] <slomo> spayne: <snorp> dopi in baz has a local entagged-sharp
[10:32] <slomo> spayne: prepare a package ;)
[10:32] <Nafallo> ajmitch: file a bug or something ;-)
[10:32] <spayne> slomo: for dapper or breezy? :)
[10:32] <ogra> spayne, breey is closed
[10:32] <slomo> spayne: dapper obviously :P
[10:32] <ogra> *breezy
[10:32] <Nafallo> spayne: dude! breezy is released...
[10:32] <ajmitch> Nafallo: sure :P
[10:32] <spayne> i know
[10:33] <spayne> sladen: but doesn't dapper not open till tuesday
[10:33] <spayne> whoops!
[10:33] <slomo> spayne: i'm not sladen... but yes... what is the problem with that? ;)
[10:33] <spayne> slomo: but doesn't dapper not open till tuesday
[10:33] <Nafallo> spayne: isn't that what "prepare" means? :-)
[10:33] <spayne> Nafallo: yes - i am stupid
[10:34] <Nafallo> s/night/nights/ probably :-P
[10:35] <ajmitch> we only have a thousand or so to do
[10:35] <spayne> slomo: iirc, to start, does this sound right?
[10:35] <slomo> Nafallo: hehe, same here ;)
[10:35] <slomo> spayne: ?
[10:35] <spayne> slomo: a.) get it from baz b.) run autogen.sh && make dist c.) dh_make d.) start customizing files?
[10:36] <\sh> ogra: any complaints about the easter egg on edubuntu.org?
[10:36] <slomo> spayne: or take your custom template instead of dh_make... but yes, sounds ok
[10:36] <spayne> slomo: yey! is till have the touch ;)
[10:36] <spayne> \sh: easter egg?
[10:36] <ogra> \sh, the easter egg  ?
[10:36] <Nafallo> ehm... oops :-P
[10:36] <slomo> spayne: sure but at least my personal template is less work than dh-make ;)
[10:37] <\sh> ogra: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuScreenShots <--- check hangman
[10:38] <Nafallo> lol
[10:38] <spayne> \sh: hopefully, those interested won't know what it means
[10:38] <Nafallo> spayne: well, they need to run wtf wtf then :-P
[10:39] <\sh> spayne: well...someone had fun
[10:40] <bddebian> heh
[10:40] <spayne> ogra: is there a way to get that funky artwork for breezy?
[10:40] <\sh> ogra: don't tell me u didn't know?
[10:40] <bddebian> And what's with the penis for Mr. Potato Guy? ;-P
[10:40] <\sh> bddebian: lol....it should describe a nose, u potatoe head ,-)
[10:40] <bddebian> Oh I guess that's a nose.. :-)
[10:41] <ajmitch> haha
[10:41] <slomo> lol
[10:41] <ogra> \sh, i didnt :) i was to busy to chech the webstuff... even the above screenshots were made here...
[10:41] <ogra> :)
[10:42] <\sh> ogra: leave it until complains are coming...even jane found it funny ;)
[10:42] <ajmitch> jane finds too many things like that funny ;)
[10:42] <ogra> bah, i can handle complaints, it wll stay :)
[10:44] <\sh> bddebian: http://www.flickr.com/photos/13916877@N00/page6/ <- last picture left ;)
[10:45] <ajmitch> heh
[10:46] <\sh> and the pictures of her kids on page 7..I'll need to talk about some meet up during a WYKC
[10:48] <Nafallo> I can't get Release.gpg from anywhere :-(
[10:48] <Kyral> Did like something happen to VLC?
[10:48] <Kyral> Because suddenly it reverted back to using GTK 1...
[10:50] <ajmitch> Kyral: yes
[10:50] <Kyral> can I ask how I can get it back looking like it used to?
[10:51] <ajmitch> you can fix it so that it doesn't badly break with wx 2.6
[10:51] <Kyral> eh?
[10:52] <ajmitch> it was reverted to wx 2.4 for a reason
[10:54] <Kyral> and now its even more busted
[10:54] <ajmitch> why do you say it's busted?
[10:55] <Kyral> Because it won't start period
[10:55] <Kyral> I thought it was a plugin, so I removed and purged VLC's configs
[10:55] <bddebian> \sh: Yeah I saw that one :-)
[10:55] <Kyral> reinstall, thing doesn't work at all
[10:55] <ajmitch> you could look at the command line to see any output
[10:55] <crimsun> doesn't start?
[10:55] <crimsun> I tested on all three platforms before I uploaded ubuntu3.
[10:56] <crimsun> I know there's a sync issue with flacs, but it's not a show-stopper
[10:56] <crimsun> and I reverted to wxwindows2.4 because wxwidgets2.6 has broken UTF-8 parsing
[10:57] <Kyral> wazzat mean
[10:57] <ajmitch> bddebian: the bug count on malone is rising :)
[10:57] <Kyral> and brb, I have to move my laundry to the dryer
[10:58] <Nafallo> ajmitch: well. I can't even download packagelists, even less sources.
[10:58] <crimsun> Kyral: it means you can't load files via the playlist if I were to build against wxwidgets2.6
[11:02] <Kyral> Crimsun it was working perfectly last night
[11:03] <Kyral> then again....I don't use the playlist../
[11:03] <crimsun> hah
[11:03] <crimsun> just because you don't use the playlist doesn't mean it's not broken
[11:03] <Kyral> Yah yah yah I know
[11:03] <Kyral> ;p
[11:04] <Kyral> Could you toss me the old one against wxwidgets2.6?
[11:05] <bddebian> ajmitch: Aye, no kidding :-)
[11:05] <Kyral> wait a tic, I think its in Debian Sid...
[11:06] <Kyral> nm I'll build it myself :D
[11:06] <crimsun> do not EVER ask about bugs in it in here, then
[11:07] <crimsun> (and I apologize for my tone)
[11:07] <bddebian> ??
[11:07] <Kyral> Crimsun I know what I'm doing ;P
[11:07] <Kyral> I'll only bitch if I'm using the Ubuntu one ;P
[11:07] <crimsun> I'm sure you do, but I'm not going field wxwidgets2.6 questions until it's fixed
[11:08] <Kyral> I don't even know what that is beyond that it makes VLC look pretty ;P
[11:08] <crimsun> bddebian: oh, you know the fallout from reverting the widget set to make vlc actually work...
[11:08] <crimsun> bddebian: besides that, nothing much ;-)
[11:09] <Kyral> Yah I overreacted
[11:09] <Kyral>  One night it looked all nice in my theme, today its back to GTK1 gray ick ;P
[11:09] <crimsun> trust me, I did not want to do it, but making it work was more important than making it pretty.
[11:10] <crimsun> granted, it's suboptimal, but some people do rely heavily on the playlist
[11:10] <Kyral> icky
[11:10] <Kyral> still won't load
[11:10] <\sh> crimsun: it was the right thing to do
[11:10] <crimsun> if the one from Debian won't load, then it's definitely not a vlc issue
[11:11] <Kyral> Its the new one from Universe
[11:11] <crimsun> \sh: absolutely, I have no question about it
[11:11] <Kyral> I'm catching a segfault
[11:11] <crimsun> Kyral: -vvv output to paste.ubuntulinux.nl, please
[11:11] <Kyral> -vvv?
[11:11] <crimsun> vlc -vvv
[11:12] <Kyral> Yah, just lemme capture it...
[11:12] <bddebian> crimsun: Ahh :-)
[11:13] <Tonio-> \sh: [mylife]  restoring calendar from exchange worked ;) [/mylife] 
[11:14] <\sh> Tonio-: congrats :)
[11:14] <Kyral> crud that just grabbed the ncurses interface
[11:14] <\sh> good night fellow motus :)
[11:14] <Kyral> it loads like 3 interfaces at once and then loads more..
[11:14] <crimsun> night \sh
[11:14] <bddebian> Gnight \sh
[11:14] <Tonio-> success seems to be there, update servers, download servers, everything seems to be overloaded ;)
[11:14] <Tonio-> nite \sh
[11:15] <Kyral> crimsun, its over 4000 lines long...
[11:16] <Kyral> I had to use the script command to capture it
[11:16] <crimsun> ok, bzip2 it, e-mail it to crimsunkg@yahoo
[11:17] <Kyral> I'm also gonna include the apt-cache policy on it, okay?
[11:18] <bddebian> Man, this is weird, not knowing what to do.. :-)
[11:18] <Kyral> Relax?
[11:18] <Kyral> crimsun thats @yahoo.com right?
[11:18] <ajmitch> bddebian: have a beer for us
[11:19] <crimsun> Kyral: yes
[11:19] <Kyral> kk
[11:19] <ajmitch> plus it's far too early in the day for me to be drinking :)
[11:20] <bddebian> ajmitch: Heh, I'm still at the office or I'd be testing bugs on my Ubuntu box ;-P
[11:20] <ajmitch> haha
[11:20] <Kyral> sent
[11:20] <ajmitch> they frown on drinking at work? ;)
[11:21] <Kyral> No way..Debian's source isn't the newest
[11:21] <bddebian> ajmitch: Nah
[11:23] <crimsun> Kyral: still haven't received it
[11:24] <Kyral> I sent it
[11:24] <crimsun> did you bzip2 it first?
[11:24] <Kyral> yah
[11:24] <crimsun> and you sent it to crimsunkg@yahoo?
[11:24] <spayne> night all
[11:24] <Kyral> yah
[11:25] <Kyral> rom: 	Chris Peterman <petermcv@clarkson.edu>
[11:25] <Kyral> To: 	crimsunkg@yahoo.com
[11:26] <Kyral> I'm gonna get dinner. No use trying to build anyway with the mirrors swamped
[11:27] <bddebian> I think I'm going to close 2923??
[11:27] <ajmitch> no
[11:27] <bddebian> No?
[11:27] <bddebian> Can you reproduce it?
[11:27] <ajmitch> nope
[11:27] <ajmitch> but don't say 'I think...???'
[11:28] <bddebian> Huh?
[11:28] <ajmitch> you have checked that the directories are created when it installs?
[11:28] <bddebian> Actually I think you are right, it doesn't iirc
[11:29] <crimsun> install -d or mkdir -p
[11:29] <ajmitch> bug jeff if it's a real bug :)
[11:29] <bddebian> Bailey?
[11:29] <bddebian> Oh yeah it's glibc huh
[11:30] <bddebian> I think that's why I stopped looking at it :-)
[11:30] <ajmitch> yes, jbailey himself
[11:30] <ajmitch> the man
[11:31] <bddebian> My idol ;-)
[11:31] <ajmitch> got the tshirt yet?
[11:31] <bddebian> Actually that sicko is the one that told me to come here.. ;-)
[11:31] <ajmitch> hah
[11:31] <ajmitch> so we can blame him, eh? ;)
[11:31] <bddebian> Yeah, I already warned him of that :-)
[11:32] <bddebian> Hmm, that's not good
[11:34] <bddebian> ajmitch: Am I going to get banned? :-)
[11:34] <bddebian> Heya azeem
[11:34] <azeem> hi
[11:35] <azeem> did the release happen?  If so, congrats
[11:35] <bddebian> Yep
[11:35] <ajmitch> azeem: yes it did, thanks
[11:35] <ajmitch> bddebian: banned? skinned alive, perhaps
[11:35] <bddebian> Doh
[11:35] <ajmitch> we're all friends here
[11:36] <bddebian> I wonder if I'll get my @ubuntu.com e-mail fixed for Dapper? :-)
[11:36] <ajmitch> yes
[11:37] <ajmitch> bddebian: ping someone to get added to the ubuntu members team on launchpad
[11:37] <bddebian> I am
[11:37] <ajmitch> one of the CC ,when they're not recovering from release
[11:38] <bddebian> I'm already there
[11:38] <bddebian> At least I think I am
[11:38] <ajmitch> where?
[11:39] <ajmitch> Barry deFreese is a member of these teams.
[11:39] <ajmitch> * MOTU (Administrator) * New User Network (Approved) * Ubuntu Development Team (Approved)
[11:39] <ajmitch> not in members
[11:39] <bddebian> https://launchpad.net/people/bddebian
[11:39] <bddebian> Oh, hmm
[11:39] <bddebian> I thought Ubuntite: Yes meant I was .. Hmm
[11:39] <ajmitch> no
[11:39] <ajmitch> ubuntite means you've signed the CoC
[11:39] <ajmitch> Andrew Mitchell is a member of these teams.
[11:39] <ajmitch> * Debian/Ubuntu Zope Team (Administrator) * MOTU (Administrator) * MOTU Mono Team (Administrator) * Ubuntu Core Development Team (Approved) * Ubuntu Development Team (Approved) * Ubuntu GNOME Team (Approved) * Ubuntu Members (Approved)
[11:39] <ajmitch> *cough*
[11:40] <bddebian> Well aren't you special? :-)
[11:40] <ajmitch> I'm thpethial alright
[11:40] <ogra> night all
[11:40] <ajmitch> night ogra
[11:40] <ajmitch> sleep well, you deserve it after a release :)
[11:41] <slomo> gn8 ogra :)
[11:41] <Nafallo> #  MOTU  (Administrator)
[11:41] <Nafallo> # MOTU Instant Messaging (Administrator)
[11:41] <Nafallo> # Ubuntu Development Team (Approved)
[11:41] <Nafallo> # Ubuntu Members (Approved)
[11:41] <Nafallo> # Ubuntu Swedish Translators (Administrator)
[11:41] <Nafallo> :-)
[11:41] <bddebian> Heh
[11:41] <Nafallo> gnight ogra :-)
[11:44] <slomo> ok, good night everybody :) i'll be back on monday/sunday evening ;)
[11:46] <bddebian> I wonder if I can collect on this bounty: https://launchpad.net/bounties/chquite ;-P
[11:46] <bddebian> Gnight slomo, congrats and Good Job! :-)
[11:50] <ajmitch> bddebian: probably
[11:50] <ajmitch> just declare your undying love & marry it
[11:50] <bddebian> Hehe
[11:50] <ajmitch> I'm sure they'll allow that in the US soon :P
[11:52] <bddebian> heh
[11:52] <bddebian> Oh well I'd better head home.  Catch you later gang.
[11:53] <ajmitch> bye bddebian
[11:53] <ajmitch> see you later
[11:57] <mbreit> good evening!
[11:57] <ajmitch> hi mbreit
[11:59] <ajmitch> dooglus: what's with malone 3116?
[12:00] <dooglus> ajmitch: I don't know.
[12:00] <dooglus> ajmitch: what do you mean?
[12:02] <ajmitch> dooglus: I'm just wondering how you're trying to build it
[12:03] <ajmitch> unless you're trying to modify configure.in & rerun autoconf..?
[12:03] <dooglus> ajmitch: I just typed "./configure" in shadow-4.0.3