[12:00] <carthik> cafuego_, i am excited about having someone I love switch to ubuntu
[12:00] <cafuego_> Just big enough to fit a fiberoptic cable though
[12:00] <cafuego_> carthik: I'd glag you're excited, but I am amready married ;-)
[12:00] <sockpuppe1> hello cafuego
[12:01] <carthik> cafuego_, you are ahead in everything, dammit!
[12:01] <cafuego_> carthik: spacetime is conspiring against you!
[12:01] <cafuego_> sockpuppe1: mornin'!
[12:01] <trans_err> mustard5: still no go
[12:01] <trans_err> :/
[12:01] <palewolf> hi all, looking for help using kalarm in ubuntu breezy. for some reason, the system tray option is greyed out and won't show up on the panel. any reason/ideas?
[12:01] <miksu> hey what's up with your dsl-companies (something for a break with all this waiting) i got a free dsl modem + dvd player when i opened up a dna gsm and dna adsl .. is it as good in your homeland?
[12:01] <mustard5> trans_err, hmmm....
[12:01] <sockpuppe1> morning?! its 6 pm here!
[12:02] <carthik> Does anyone have a good "push" ssh+rsync backup script they want to share with a newbie?
[12:02] <carthik> If not, I ill have to write my own... that is copy+paste creatively...
[12:02] <mustard5> I know I had trouble when I been running totem or audacity just prior to running xawtv.....
[12:02] <thechitowncubs> How can i reset my firefox/gnome fonts back to default?
[12:02] <mustard5> without access to sound it would show no picture
[12:03] <carthik> thechitowncubs, default is "Sans" change application font in system -> preferences -> fonts
[12:03] <mustard5> but yours isnt picking up channels on the scan whic is a problem
[12:03] <trans_err> mustard5: im going to try it in windows later and make sure it isnt a hardware issue
[12:03] <BlankB> carthik: I have one...just a minute.
[12:03] <thechitowncubs> Any idea about firefox?
[12:03] <trans_err> mustard5: thanks for all the help
[12:03] <Slaj_R> question:  Ever since my last update (running Breezy beta on an HP pavilion), sometimes my input freaks out; for example, my last text entry will suddently paste itself or a duplicate of whatever window I'm working in will open.  Anyone else see this behaviour lately?
[12:03] <mustard5> ok trans_err , your very close to having it working
[12:03] <carthik> BlankB carthik@gmail.com if you please :)
[12:04] <sockpuppe1> slaj_r what version of ubuntu u using?
[12:04] <mustard5> I have fiddled with xawtv for months now with hoary and now breezy...in breezy it has worked well
[12:04] <Slaj_R> latest.
[12:04] <Slaj_R> I don't have a number handy
[12:04] <sockpuppe1> well im upgrading to the lattest
[12:04] <sockpuppe1> and I havve hp
[12:05] <Slaj_R> what's a quick way to find that?
[12:05] <cpalma> is there any document about hardening ubuntu specifically?
[12:05] <mustard5> cpalma, I believe there is
[12:05] <sockpuppe1> uname -r will tell you ubuntu kernel version
[12:05] <mustard5> on the forums I have read a thread
[12:05] <cpalma> mustard5: oh cool, i'll check that, thanks
[12:05] <Dreamglider> can anyone help me with this -> http://pastebin.com/391685
[12:05] <mustard5> might have been in the security forum
[12:05] <sockpuppe1> if there is2-6-10
[12:06] <sockpuppe1> you have hoary
[12:06] <sockpuppe1> if its 2-6-12 its breezy
[12:06] <Slaj_R> 2.6.12
[12:06] <sockpuppe1> breezy it is!
[12:06] <sockpuppe1> what hp do you have?
[12:07] <Slaj_R> Pavilion ze4900 laptop.
[12:07] <miksu> COOL my dsl speed is doubled in november..2 MEG =)
[12:07] <sockpuppe1> cant help ypu there i have their desktops
[12:07] <QMario> Hello Seveas and ompaul!!! :)
[12:07] <Slaj_R> I'll wait and see if it's a /dev/hands problem :)
[12:07] <mustard5> Dreamglider, you don't have build-essential installed?
[12:07] <sockpuppe1> lol
[12:07] <QMario> What kind of DSL do you have miksu?
[12:08] <jhonny> how can i change monitor vertical frenquencies manually? i'm on breezy, using nvidia-glx
[12:08] <mustard5> your missing a compiler it seems, Dreamglider
[12:08] <QMario> 1 more day until Breezy is officially released!!! :-D
[12:08] <Dreamglider> mustard5, what need i install
[12:08] <sockpuppe1> qmario im upgrading as we speak
[12:08] <kemik> Dreamglider:  build-essential
[12:08] <mustard5> you on hoary Dreamglider ?
[12:08] <miksu> qmario what do you mean? just a standard phoneline+dsl modem+wlan
[12:09] <QMario> Miksu, I meant ADSL?
[12:09] <mustard5> build essential , Dreamglider
[12:09] <mustard5> build-essential , Dreamglider
[12:09] <Dreamglider> i m on breezy
[12:09] <miksu> qmario still dont understand
[12:09] <brodmann> hey, i'm trying to set up dual monitors on my ati card, where can i find the correct code to change in xorg?
[12:09] <mustard5> ah ok
[12:09] <mustard5> I haven't seen a build essential in breezy yet :D
[12:09] <mustard5> hehe
[12:09] <QMario> Miksu, ADSL is faster than normal DSL.
[12:09] <mustard5> I assume its there somewhere :D
[12:09] <Dreamglider> apt-get install build-essential ?
[12:09] <mustard5> yes
[12:09] <QMario> It is similar to using cable/Road Runner.
[12:10] <sockpuppe1> road runner
[12:10] <sockpuppe1> ?!
[12:10] <QMario> Miksu, what provider are you with?
[12:10] <miksu> qmario if you mean my subscriber it's a finnish company called dna
[12:10] <sockpuppe1> I hear they suck
[12:10] <QMario> Miksu, no wonder.
[12:10] <QMario> Most likely ADSL.
[12:10] <QMario> Sockpuppe1, no. 4.7-5Mbps. :)
[12:10] <tony_the_cable_g> We just went to 8mb
[12:10] <mustard5> any luck, Dreamglider ?
[12:11] <sockpuppe1> whoa
[12:11] <QMario> How?
[12:11] <sockpuppe1> did you specifically request that speed?
[12:11] <tony_the_cable_g> Me?
[12:11] <QMario> Yes.
[12:11] <sockpuppe1> nah
[12:11] <sockpuppe1> qmario
[12:11] <sockpuppe1> lol
[12:11] <QMario> Sockpuppe1, yes.
[12:11] <jvai> yoyo uall.. wassup
[12:11] <sockpuppe1> i got you
[12:11] <tony_the_cable_g> Comcast Cable....hence the name...
[12:11] <QMario> Sockpuppe1, no.
[12:11] <QMario> $29.95 per month for 6 months.
[12:11] <Dreamglider> mustard5, i am asked to insert the ubuntu CD but my cd drive is dead
[12:12] <Kerr> what version of xorg comes with hoary?
[12:12] <mustard5> hmmm..thats a complication I wasnt expecting :D
[12:12] <tony_the_cable_g> 0$ for life....
[12:12] <Dreamglider> mustard5, cant i tell ubuntu to take whatever it needs from the net ?
[12:12] <miksu> dreamglidr check out your power cable and dma line .. the most common solution
[12:12] <Dreamglider> miksu, it s DEAD
[12:13] <Dreamglider> 104 %, no power nor ide twist will fix it trust me :)
[12:13] <mustard5> I wonder what happens if you comment out the CD in your sources.list
[12:13] <miksu> dreamglider yeah .. idiot me
[12:14] <Lyssie> I need to force the OS to redetect my network hardware... anybody know the command line command?
[12:14] <Dreamglider> where is the sources.list located
[12:14] <mustard5> in /etc/
[12:14] <ednz> /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:14] <carthik> Dreamglider, /etc/apt/sources/list
[12:14] <carthik> doh
[12:14] <mustard5> I was close :D
[12:14] <DShepherd> Dreamglider: /etc/apt/source.list
[12:14] <Dalkus> can anyone tell me what I need to do/install to compile the program that gives me these erros when I try to 'make'? http://pastebin.com/391688
[12:14] <sockpuppe1> im updating now because the way things are lopoking the servers will be swamped with requests for breezy tomorrow
[12:15] <mustard5> Dalkus, looking at it now...
[12:15] <Dalkus> thanks
[12:15] <El_Che> sockpuppe1: use a mirror tomorrow
[12:15] <concept10> How do I disable the totem plugin in firefox?
[12:15] <tony_the_cable_g> Official release is tomorrow?
[12:15] <Christophe971> yo the develers
[12:15] <icewt> hm.. will breezy be released 00:00 UTC? just wondering if i should go to sleep or wait for it ;)
[12:15] <mustard5> I have no idea Dalkus
[12:16] <carthik> Lyssie, what do you mean by redetect? could you be more specific, i have played with network interfaces for sometime now
[12:16] <Dalkus> mustard5, thanks anyway
[12:16] <Christophe971> What about the "ubuntu-multimedia" and other metametapackages ?
[12:16] <carthik> concept10, easiest way would be to set the "Settings" - > downloads -> open file type with " to not open with the plugin you have complaints about
[12:17] <miksu> the power of linux .. my wlan connection is much more stable than in xp
[12:17] <ednz> wlan in xp sucks
[12:17] <Lyssie> Carthik: new Ubuntu install on a laptop - without an integrated NIC. So, I had to yank out the 10/100 Ethernet PCMCIA card and put in the Linksys wireless card... and I'm not sure how autodetect works. Basically, the system doesn't see the card.
[12:17] <BoDSWAT> icewt, you and me both
[12:17] <Lyssie> However, the card is supported.
[12:18] <blueyed> Do I have to enable AGP for nvidia explicitly (using the nvidia driver)? Because I have no /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status file here.
[12:18] <DShepherd> when will breezy be out
[12:18] <concept10> someone please help me disable this totem plugin in firefox...I want mplayer to handle all of these
[12:18] <NoUse> DShepherd tomorrow
[12:19] <BoDSWAT> icewt, why are you so fondly awaiting breezy?
[12:19] <NoUse> DShepherd 13th
[12:19] <TheVox> blueyed: IIRC, the default behaviour of the nvidia driver now is to use agpart instead of nvagp when it finds it
[12:19] <Kerr> does anyone know how to get xorg+via unichrome onboard graphics to work?
[12:19] <Christophe971> What about the "ubuntu-multimedia" and other metametapackages ?
[12:20] <nix4me> 1 hour 40 minutes till its released?
[12:20] <basvg> hmm, I just did a fresh install of breezy (from cd) ... and get the old `greeter` instead of the nice new one that I got when I updated from haory to breezy... does anyone know how to get the newer one?
[12:20] <Christophe971> SpecialUBuntuDevelsRequest
[12:20] <blueyed> TheVox: on http://cedegawiki.sweetleafstudios.com/index.php?title=Ubuntu it says that Driver: AGPART is used in " cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status"
[12:20] <icewt> BoDSWAT, because i have a pretty slow internet connection - it would be nice to get it during the night
[12:20] <nnonix> basvg: dist-upgrade didn't work for you?
[12:21] <basvg> nnonix: nah, some things broke
[12:21] <The_Vox> blueyed: mmm....I have said file and it's using agpart, so...I have no clue why you don't have it
[12:21] <basvg> nnonix: almost back in business though
[12:21] <basvg> do you know how to get that nice greeter?
[12:21] <icewt> BoDSWAT, and i'm anyway going to wipe my hard drives when breezy is out, and do a clean install
[12:21] <The_Vox> basvg: just update to the latest breezy updates
[12:22] <jvai> i ordered cd's from ubuntu like... 2 months ago... guess the yr gonna make me wait until aftr the 13.. lmao..
[12:22] <dobwan> are we there yet?
[12:22] <basvg> The_Vox: I did!
[12:22] <mustard5> hehe dobwan
[12:22] <rem_> I had hoary cd's about 2 months after release ..
[12:22] <nnonix> basvg: "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get upgrade" should get you all the new packages. I'm not sure what you mean by the "nice greeter".
[12:22] <rem_> i guess i had them at least .. and had downloaded them anyway ..
[12:23] <QMario> How do I upgrade to GNOME 2.12?
[12:23] <basvg> nnonix: well, the one I have now is the same as in hoary... the one I got when I did the hoary/breezy update looks different and has more options
[12:23] <_native_> do a dist upgrade
[12:23] <_native_> man apt-get
[12:23] <rem_> whait 1-2 days and do a dist-upgrade ..ull have gnomde 2.12
[12:23] <benkong2> anyone completed an ubuntu install on a G4 mac os x 10.4?
[12:24] <miksu> moments of horror yeasterday .. my directional antenna got wacked up , but i just whacked that with my screwdriver and voila - back in business
[12:24] <basvg> nnonix: I installed from the breezy cd, copied the sources.list that I saved to /etc, did an apt-get update and dist-upgrade and waited for an hour...
[12:25] <sayan> breeeeeeeeezy
[12:25] <miksu> WOW ! OUT???!
[12:25] <sayan> no :(
[12:25] <_native_> feel that cool breez
[12:26] <basvg> another difference is that my laptop (the one I updated) gets a nice graphical boot.... the new breezy install doesn't
[12:26] <_native_> no need to wait just upgrade
[12:26] <miksu> i got a poster of some barbara kraft's painting..it says feel the breeze :)
[12:26] <DShepherd> when will breezy be out?
[12:27] <annex> DShepherd: official date was set for the 13th
[12:27] <_native_> you can dist-upgrade now if you like
[12:27] <blueyed> "when it's ready".. :P
[12:27] <DShepherd> so that about 12 tonight?
[12:27] <antix> it's past 12 :)
[12:27] <nnonix> basvg: open a term and run "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get upgrade", then reboot and see if that helps.
[12:27] <SOMNIVM`zzZz> It depends on where you live
[12:27] <SOMNIVM`zzZz> ;)
[12:27] <annex> DShepherd: well that depends on the time zone you live in and the time zone it's released using
[12:28] <SOMNIVM`zzZz> It's 0:27 here
[12:28] <gelberg> !libdvdcss
[12:28] <ubotu> No idea, gelberg
[12:28] <DShepherd> annex: yeah I know. I'm in Jamaica
[12:28] <gelberg> hi all, is libdvdcss in universe?
[12:28] <basvg> no upgrades... so guess booting won't help either
[12:28] <annex> groovy
[12:29] <nnonix> basvg: I would guess the same
[12:29] <antix> south african time is UTC/GMT +2 hours
[12:29] <popey> i am scared to reboot now
[12:29] <_native_> my ERP, MRP, CRM system is running well on top of ubuntu
[12:29] <mustard5> tell gelberg about restrictedformats
[12:29] <popey> _native_: which one?
[12:29] <mustard5> !tell gelberg about restrictedformats
[12:29] <popey> not SAP :D
[12:29] <spoilerhead> hello, it seems, that the upgrade to breezy killd my sound (snd_intel8x0) worked fine in hoary, no lifesign in breezy, any ideas?
[12:29] <basvg> nnonix: which `greeter app` (it is actually called that way in gdm.conf) do you have, the old one or the new one?
[12:30] <_native_> ofbiz.org
[12:30] <popey> not seen that, thanks _native_
[12:30] <mustard5> gelberg, no
[12:30] <mustard5> you have to download it from outside the official repos
[12:30] <_native_> Im a dev for it. its top class stuff many Big name companies are using it with great success.
[12:31] <popey> excellent, always good to hear
[12:31] <miksu> so the release is UTC 00:00 would that mean that helsinki (+2:00) get's it at 2 am
[12:31] <Slaj_R> Can someone refer me to a good tutorial on how to move quick-launch icons to the apps menu?  Or is it even possible?
[12:31] <nnonix> basvg: basvg, if you installed from a breezy cd, why did you do a dist-upgrade? Did you mean you installed from a hoary CD??
[12:31] <athlon> right now I am in suse 10. Does chrooting to ubuntu partition and do apt dist-upgrade from there anymore dangerous than booting to ubuntu and upgrading from there ?
[12:31] <gelberg> mustard5, thanks. is it generally advisable to have the marillat repository in sources.list, or should i grab the .debs?
[12:31] <mustard5> Slaj_R, you on hoary or breezy?
[12:32] <Slaj_R> breezy
[12:32] <guest123> gelberg, libdvdcss2 is in some repo...im looking right at it now
[12:32] <sorush20> how can I creat flash
[12:32] <basvg> nnonix: no, it's a mistake that I make more often *pout* ..
[12:32] <sorush20> how can I create flash..
[12:32] <mustard5> grab the .debs and then comment out the marillat entry from your sources list
[12:32] <basvg> nnonix: but that's can't make this big a difference I s'ppose
[12:33] <Slaj_R> mustard5: breezy
[12:33] <_native_> libdvdcss is available from http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/1.2.9/deb/
[12:33] <mustard5> gelberg, follow the DVD instructions in the wiki and you should be ok
[12:33] <_native_> or universe
[12:33] <mustard5> their is a menu editor in breezy Slaj_R
[12:33] <_native_> repos
[12:34] <nnonix> basvg: so ... was it a breezy or hoary CD?
[12:34] <gelberg> mustard5, thanks.
[12:34] <mustard5> Applications menu editor in System Tools
[12:35] <thewayofzen> does anyone have the deb for azureus that used to be in the repos
[12:35] <Slaj_R> mustard5:  Whoops, I knew about that, but I didn't see the "new entry" button.
[12:35] <mustard5> thats ok Slaj_R :)
[12:35] <thewayofzen> (the sourceforge tar.gz is NOT working properly at all)
[12:36] <basvg> nnonix: it was a breezy cd
[12:36] <Slaj_R> I think PC World's review set me up for failure; they said there is no start menu editor.
[12:37] <icewt> thewayofzen, hm.. i'm using the "Linux GTK" version from Azureus website and it works just fine
[12:37] <mustard5> :)
[12:37] <_native_> !seen procrastination_nation
[12:37] <ubotu> _native_: i haven't seen 'procrastination_nation'
[12:38] <frank_b> can anyone tell me how to install aMule 2.0.3 in hoary?
[12:38] <Bergcube> clear
[12:38] <TiMiDo> frank_b: tar.gz deb?
[12:38] <bobbyd> hi
[12:38] <TiMiDo> !info amule
[12:38] <ubotu> amule: (aNOTHER eMule P2P Client), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 2.0.3-1ubuntu4 (breezy), Packaged size: 2459 kB, Installed size: 7452 kB
[12:38] <ubunoob> frank_b, is have you tried synaptic?
[12:38] <nnonix> basvg: are you using the sources.list that was created by the installation or one that you had saved?
[12:38] <TiMiDo> do sudo apt-get install amule
[12:39] <frank_b> ubunoob, it install version 2.0.0
[12:39] <TiMiDo> hi bobbyd
[12:39] <bobbyd> can anyone suggest a good (simple) guid to setting up spamassassin with postfix under ubuntu?
[12:39] <thewayofzen> icewt,  i installed it as per the ubuntu forums.. and it starts up fine.  i hve a fat32 media drive that i also checked the appropriate box in the config to support.  i use it on oink.me.uk and it keeps telling me to find another supported client.  i asked if azureus is no longer supported and they said its still allowed
[12:39] <TiMiDo> bobbyd: http://doc.ubuntu.com/gnome/faqi386/C/
[12:39] <thewayofzen> icewt, i checked it on tvtorrents and a few other sites just to test and none will connect
[12:39] <js_> is it tomorrow that breezy will be released?
[12:39] <bobbyd> TiMiDo, thanks
[12:39] <TiMiDo> np
[12:39] <TiMiDo> js_: yes it is
[12:39] <thewayofzen> icewt, and yes port forwarding on my router is configged and tests ok as per azureus
[12:39] <thewayofzen> the old deb from the repos worked FLAWLESS
[12:40] <basvg> nnonix: the one that I saved (which is almost the same).. shall I paste it to you privately ?
[12:40] <TiMiDo> nice thewayofzen
[12:40] <nnonix> basvg: yes
[12:40] <hablandocontigo> Hello, I get "Error: given UDI is not a mountable volume" when trying to access any floppy? What could be the problem?
[12:40] <frank_b> nevermind... I'm tired right now...
[12:40] <frank_b> thanks anyway
[12:40] <TiMiDo> hablandocontigo: did you do sudo adduser $USER floppy?
[12:40] <TiMiDo> try mounting the device also
[12:40] <popey> well, I have just upgraded to breezy and everything "Just Works (tm)" thanks everyone (for no help required) :D
[12:40] <yojimbo-san> TiMiDo: surely addgroup $USER floppy?
[12:41] <TiMiDo> well
[12:41] <TiMiDo> popey: go here http://doc.ubuntu.com/gnome/faqi386/C/
[12:41] <icewt> thewayofzen, strange. i've just unpacked the *.tar.bz2-package and ran the "azureus" script in the folder. i haven't even done port forwarding, and i have a firewall. works anyway. can't really say what could cause your kind of behaviour..
[12:41] <TiMiDo> that's a real good breezy doc
[12:41] <popey> just one thing.. lots of unnamed folders on my desktop now where i keep right clicking and expecting to start a terminal :D :D
[12:41] <bobbyd> TiMiDo, that doesn't seem to mention spamassassin...
[12:41] <TiMiDo> popey: ok?
[12:41] <TiMiDo> google.com/linux spamassassin
[12:42] <hablandocontigo> TiMiDo: I am already a member of the group floppy
[12:42] <TiMiDo> hablandocontigo: did you mount the device?
[12:42] <TiMiDo> mount -t /dev/floppy
[12:42] <thewayofzen> icewt, thanks for trying mate.. ill keep scouring google for the .deb i guess
[12:42] <hablandocontigo> TiMiDo: still prompted same error
[12:43] <TiMiDo> bla
[12:43] <TiMiDo> hold up
[12:43] <bobbyd> TiMiDo, I'm perfectly capable of finding general guides to doing it, i wanted something that was ubuntu specific.
[12:43] <icewt> thewayofzen, i don't believe it would make a difference if azureus is running fine
[12:44] <frickel> hey how I eneable the user-list in x-chat? i can't find...
[12:44] <thewayofzen> icewt, are u running breezy?
[12:44] <icewt> thewayofzen, there shouldn't be anything different in the deb, except that it's installed in different place
[12:44] <icewt> thewayofzen, no
[12:44] <mustard5> frickel, its hidden
[12:44] <tuxedo_kamen> hi everyone
[12:44] <frickel> since when?
[12:44] <thewayofzen> icewt, might be whats up then.. cause i am
[12:44] <mustard5> frickel, move your mouse to the right hand side until you find the drag point
[12:44] <icewt> thewayofzen, but you have java installed?
[12:44] <thewayofzen> would be interesting to have the deb to verify
[12:44] <thewayofzen> icewt, yessir
[12:45] <thewayofzen> as per uboto's instructions
[12:45] <miksu> so i have just dis
[12:45] <mustard5> then drag the user window open
[12:45] <miksu> sorry
[12:45] <tuxedo_kamen> today I come here with a strange question...
[12:45] <icewt> !java
[12:45] <ubotu> it has been said that javadeb is for sun java debs packaged for ubuntu, Install from http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/87ofx (Breezy) 64-bit? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#java
[12:45] <frickel> mustard5: it only enlarges the window
[12:45] <thewayofzen> icewt, azureus starts it just will not allow download.. i get errors or worse i get messages from the torrent site warning meto switch my client
[12:45] <thewayofzen> gnome torrent works fine.. azureus.. different story
[12:45] <icewt> thewayofzen, have you tried to change the port?
[12:45] <yojimbo-san> hi tuxedo_kamen. What's up?
[12:46] <frickel> mustard5: ahh, there it has hidden...thx
[12:46] <ubunoob> hey guys, simple question.. how do i switch between display managers if I have multiple installed.. i have gnome kde and xfce4 installed right now.
[12:46] <mustard5> np frickel :)
[12:46] <eyequeue> frickel:  there is a right-window-side drag point, but just left of that there is another drag point, drag that toward the center
[12:46] <mustard5> I was lost too thats how I know :D
[12:46] <tuxedo_kamen> I need a program that refreshes a certain webpage every X minutes, what do you recommend me?
[12:46] <thirso> ubunoob: "Sessions"
[12:46] <psusi> I'm messing around with a door game on a BBS that uses ANSI graphics and it doesn't seem to show up right... this is with telnet in a terminal window... any ideas why?
[12:46] <yojimbo-san> ubunoob: log in as a new session?
[12:46] <thewayofzen> icewt, have indeed.  ive used azureus for over a year on windows.. and for the last month on ubuntu.. its only recently since i reinstalled with breezy that i can no longer use it
[12:46] <icewt> thewayofzen, some torrent sites wont allow the default bittorrent port(s), because some ISPs cap their download/upload rates
[12:46] <icewt> thewayofzen, ah, ok
[12:46] <frickel> eyequeue: thx, I already found it...
[12:46] <thewayofzen> icewt, i guess im doomed to gnome bittorrent.
[12:47] <ubunoob> thx, will try that
[12:47] <eyequeue> frickel:  i type slowly
[12:47] <Slaj_R> Question: I just tried playing an mp3 w/ Totem, and it says no decoders were found.  How do I find/install the necessary plugins?
[12:47] <mustard5> !tell Slaj_R about restrictedformats
[12:47] <yojimbo-san> tuxedo_kamen: you can ask Firefox to do things from the command line ... see http://www.mozilla.org/unix/remote.html
[12:47] <frickel> eyequeue: no problem
[12:48] <yojimbo-san> tuxedo_kamen: you could then get a cron task to ask the currently-running firefox to reload the page every few minutes ...
[12:48] <miksu> so 10 minutes then?
[12:48] <icewt> thewayofzen, i'm going to install breezy myself as soon as it comes out, pity i can't try azureus on it now
[12:49] <tuxedo_kamen> :|
[12:49] <thewayofzen> icewt, its all good. ill wait and see if its something i did or the RC
[12:49] <Nomad_> Hello guys
[12:49] <tuxedo_kamen> isn't that too hard for a newbie such as myself?
[12:50] <yojimbo-san> tuxedo_kamen: I don't know, but it's something that will work in "The Unix Way" :-)
[12:50] <tuxedo_kamen> ok, i'll be right back, switching OS...
[12:50] <thewayofzen> icewt, ive checked the forums and noone is griping so im guessing its something ive done
[12:50] <Slaj_R> well, that's new...
[12:50] <gmjonker> Hi all. Does anyone know why I get a "gzip: stdin: not in gzip format" when I'm doing apt-get update? This is the output it gives: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3027
[12:50] <Slaj_R> didn't know mp3's were restricted
[12:50] <icewt> thewayofzen, ok
[12:50] <eyequeue> is anyone else finding thunderbird uninstallable in breezy lately?
[12:51] <gmjonker> eyequeue: i installed it a week ago, was fine.
[12:51] <yojimbo-san> Slaj_R: mp3 is a patented technology, and you are supposed to purchase a license before writing a decoder for it ...
[12:51] <eyequeue> mozilla-thunderbird depends on libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel-4) (and others)
[12:51] <crimsun> eyequeue: um...
[12:51] <eyequeue> gmjonker:  what version libpng12-0 do you have?
[12:51] <crimsun> 1.2.8rel-1ubuntu3 is in Breezy
[12:52] <gmjonker> eyequeue: tell me how to find out
[12:52] <eyequeue> crimsun:  let me get the other two dependencies up too, just a sec
[12:52] <mustard5> Slaj_R, have you installed gstreamer0.8-mad?
[12:52] <Slaj_R> So the Ubuntu project specifically chose to leave it out?  I'm confused; other distros keep it in.
[12:52] <Slaj_R> mustard5: Nope.
[12:52] <mustard5> that might fix it
[12:52] <crimsun> Slaj_R: huh? No, we punted certain mp3-supporting packages to universe or multiverse.
[12:53] <yojimbo-san> and neither universe nor multiverse are enabled by default ...
[12:53] <andreas_> hi guys
[12:53] <andreas_> you know any cool dropdown consoles for ubuntu?
[12:53] <andreas_> seems yeahconsole isn't in the repos
[12:53] <crimsun> Slaj_R: keep in mind xine-lib and xmms are still in main
[12:53] <eyequeue> crimsun:  libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel-4) and libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.1-9) and libxrender1 (>> 0.9.0-1)
[12:54] <crimsun> (same for libmad0)
[12:54] <psusi> anyone know why ANSI graphics don't show up right in telnet?
[12:54] <mustard5> Slaj_R, xmms seems to play mp3 no problem...totem takes some fiddling
[12:54] <Slaj_R> that is greek to me
[12:54] <gmjonker> eyequeue: i got 1.2.8rel-1ubuntu3
[12:54] <Nomad_> Can someone help me with setting up users in a samba server?
[12:54] <crimsun> eyequeue: you've got Debian unstable somewhere in your sources
[12:54] <eyequeue> gmjonker:  dpkg -l libpng12-0 | tail -1
[12:54] <mustard5> Slaj_R,  :)  you get used to it
[12:55] <yojimbo-san> Slaj_R: look for the RestrictedFormats page on the wiki
[12:55] <eyequeue> crimsun:  thanks, i wasn't aware (nor can i imagine how) but i'll poke at sources.lisy
[12:55] <Slaj_R> I'm googling now though, so thanks thus far.
[12:55] <crimsun> Slaj_R: what I listed are packages that are used in decoding mp3s.
[12:55] <yojimbo-san> it will tell you how to get MP3 support and other interesting things that seem to be missing
[12:55] <occy> crimsun, is breezy out yet?
[12:55] <occy> hehe
[12:55] <occy> sorry, couldn't resist.  again.
[12:55] <crimsun> :)
[12:56] <gmjonker> Does anyone know how to solve the "gzip: stdin: not in gzip format"-error I get after running apt-get update?
[12:56] <Nomad_> So do we just wait for a tech to message us?
[12:57] <crimsun> gmjonker: are you dist-upgrading from Warty?
[12:57] <eyequeue> crimsun:  thanks!  this was there to pull in sunbird.deb #deb http://people.debian.org/~asac/experimental ./
[12:57] <Trashcan> ubotu: tell Nomad_ about samba
[12:58] <basvg> one more question before going to bed
[12:58] <basvg> when I click system => logout, nothing happens
[12:58] <basvg> how do I fix that?
[12:58] <eyequeue> ghjtypically i rerun apt-get update.  if that doesn't help, i change to another mirror for a day.  which mirror are you using?
[12:58] <flagfranca> hello all
[12:58] <gmjonker> crimsun: i'm updating from breezy to breezy i guess. i'm using the example sources.lst from http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3027.
[12:58] <michael> basvg, I had the same problem today, I don't know how to solve it
[12:59] <eyequeue> gmjonker:  ^^
[12:59] <flagfranca> where I can find some XVid and DiVx codecs for Ubuntu and how I install them?
[12:59] <basvg> michael: ah, it just takes a *very* long time for the pop-up to show up :(
[12:59] <Grant_> is breezy gonna be released at 00:00 ?
[12:59] <crimsun> Grant_: no.
[12:59] <Grant_> crimsun: aww :( how come
[12:59] <crimsun> Grant_: "because."
[12:59] <eyequeue> gmjonker:  if there's a problem on one of the mirrors i think they want to know right about now :)
[12:59] <Grant_> crimsun: ummmm because ?
[01:00] <yojimbo-san> 00:01 perhaps?
[01:00] <Grant_> hah :D
[01:00] <crimsun> Grant_: seriously, though, it will be released on the 13th sometime. When precisely is dictated by how all the core developers feel.
[01:00] <miksu> 5:10 ? =)
[01:00] <Grant_> crimsun: ah ok cool :)
[01:01] <crimsun> gmjonker: try another mirror; I presume archive.u.c is extremely loaded due to rsyncs, etc.
[01:01] <eyequeue> maybe someone will update this page? :) http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/5
[01:01] <gmjonker> eyequeue, crimsun: i'm quite new to linux, so i dont know what's normal and what not. But i get lots of different errors on different mirrors. apt-get isn't running smoothly here at all...
[01:01] <crimsun> gmjonker: that sounds like an ISP issue, like a proxy...
[01:02] <crimsun> maybe a really shoddy dsl "router" or cable "modem"?
[01:02] <miksu> do you know of a good soft for listening to shoutcast radio
[01:02] <starscalling> yay ubuntu in for 3 days now and working great!
[01:02] <starscalling> shoutcast miksu ?
[01:02] <starscalling> i believe xmms can handle that quite nicely
[01:02] <gmjonker> crimsun: nope... all the rest of internet is doing great here :)
[01:03] <starscalling> let me see again...
[01:03] <crimsun> miksu: virtually anything that handles mp3s should.
[01:03] <miksu> crimson thank you.
[01:03] <crimsun> gmjonker: that doesn't mean you don't have a proxy issue. Then again, see what I said regarding trying another mirror.
[01:03] <TylerDurden> where can i find the nvidia drivers v. 6629?
[01:03] <Trashcan> so tyler, get rooted yet?
[01:03] <TylerDurden> i need nvidia-kernel-common and  nvidia-kernel-source
[01:03] <mustard5> TylerDurden, at the nvidia site?
[01:04] <TylerDurden> they dont have both i think
[01:04] <Nomad_> Thank you guys I'll try that and if no worky Ill come back
[01:04] <BlueMat> Anyone be able to help out with Internet connection sharing ubuntu?
[01:04] <starscalling> they recommend xmms but hey whatever floats your goat :)
[01:04] <ficusplanet> BlueMat, Install firestarter
[01:04] <ficusplanet> BlueMat, It will walk you through it.
[01:04] <starscalling> o.O
[01:05] <starscalling> ficusplanet:: i was looking at firestarter...
[01:05] <BlueMat> ficusplanet,  Why would I insta a firewall for ICS?
[01:05] <starscalling> i happened to have installed that last night.
[01:05] <gmjonker> crimsun: ok thanks anyways...
[01:05] <TylerDurden> so anyone know where i can find them?
[01:05] <starscalling> but i didnt see exactly how to port. would you know of a good link for a porting config file?
[01:05] <ficusplanet> BlueMat, Firestarter is a frontend for iptables (linux's firewall/ip routing stuff).  It is what would redirect your requests for ICS.
[01:06] <psusi> how do I install pcf fonts in ububtu?  /etc/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts does not exist
[01:06] <BlueMat> ficusplanet, and how does it walk me through it?
[01:06] <ficusplanet> BlueMat, When you start it the first time there is a wizard that will ask you a few questions and you should be good to go.
[01:07] <BlueMat> ficusplanet, I have it installed..
[01:07] <BlueMat> from before
[01:07] <ficusplanet> OK.  Then, try going to the preferences and adjust the connection sharing stuff to your liking.
[01:07] <eyequeue> BlueMat:  Firewall > Run Wizard
[01:08] <BlueMat> Do you HAVE  to put a internet connection shared box on a different subnet does anyone know?
[01:08] <concept10> cant play quicktime and im PISSED
[01:08] <eyequeue> BlueMat:  "internet connection shared" ?
[01:08] <Dr_Willis> concept10,  try 'vlc'
[01:08] <yojimbo-san> BlueMat: no, you don't *have* to, but it's much easier to do it that way
[01:09] <yojimbo-san> You can do pretty much anything with iptables, but the rules get very complex very quickly
[01:09] <concept10> Dr_Willis, doesnt work.
[01:09] <Dr_Willis> concept10,  bummer.  - worked very well for me on most ev3yrthing i toss at it
[01:09] <concept10> Dr_Willis, yeah, until the latest breezy update
[01:09] <BlueMat> yojimbo-san, what are the advantages of doing that?
[01:09] <Dr_Willis> concept10,  heh - aint noticed or tried yet
[01:10] <TylerDurden> does anyone know where i can get the 6629 nvidias?i need both source and common
[01:10] <Kira> lol @ /topic
[01:10] <yojimbo-san> BlueMat: the main advantage is "being the same as the people who write the documentation", and "being the same as Ubuntu" - which is very valuable when you'r learning :-)
[01:10] <BlueMat> eyequeue, yes Inet connection shared, no what connect the ethernet cables and Im good to go? set gateway on PCB to the IP of PCA?
[01:10] <Kira> 4 hours and 50 minutes to Breezy. :)
[01:10] <eyequeue> BlueMat:  do you have internal and external interfaces?
[01:11] <TylerDurden> ubuto tell tylerdurden about cache
[01:11] <eyequeue> Kira:  fridge says 48 minutes :)
[01:11] <TylerDurden> ubotu tell tylerdurden about cache
[01:11] <Trashcan> ubotu: tell tylerdurden about cache
[01:11] <Trashcan> ubotu: tell tylerdurden about msg the bot
[01:12] <Kira> ubotu: tell us about abuse
[01:12] <mustard5> :)
[01:12] <BlueMat> eyequeue & yojimbo-san , Ok, heres my setup, two PC's A & B - PcA (Main) has Wlan card, receiving from router, also has eth card, PcB has eth card also, I want to get connectivity to PcB
[01:12] <eyequeue> BlueMat:  Firewall > Run Wizard, that should get you what you want
[01:12] <Kris_k> Hey where can i get Drivers for a linksys Wireless card for a laptop ?
[01:13] <mustard5> I'm trying to install skype :)
[01:13] <Kira> What timezone is Ubuntu based in anyway?
[01:13] <yojimbo-san> BlueMat: PcB and PcA's eth should be on one subnet, and PcA's WLAN on another. I'd recommend "10.0.0.0/24" for PcB/PcA, because it's private and easy to type
[01:13] <kevogod> Ubuntu is timezone blind
[01:13] <eyequeue> Kira:  i'd say universal :)
[01:13] <Kira> ubotu: tell Kris_K about ndiswrapper
[01:13] <concept10> Dr_Willis, there is a new update in the repo..
[01:14] <concept10> hopefully it works
[01:14] <Dr_Willis> concept10,  thers new updates about every hr it seems. :P
[01:14] <dloal> hello
[01:14] <a_monkey> how do i switch to breezy? i edited the sources.list to replace all cases of "hoary" to "breezy"
[01:14] <dloal> how do you install PHP? apt-get install PHP doesn't seem to work
[01:14] <a_monkey> now how do i actually upgrade the whole system
[01:14] <BlueMat> yojimbo-san, networking isnt the best, can I have this as DHCP instead of static?
[01:14] <mustard5> a_monkey, sudo apt-get update
[01:14] <ds[de] > Kira: I'd say we wait 'til BB is released and just assume the timezone which has 12 pm / 0 am (whatever it is called) then
[01:14] <mustard5> a_monkey, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:14] <cafuego_> dloal: for apache, libapache-mod-php4. For apache2, libapache2-mod-php4. For command line, php4-cli
[01:14] <concept10> Dr_Fate, im trying to see the apple video and decide if im going to get a mac :)
[01:14] <Kira> ds[de] : sounds right.
[01:15] <eyequeue> a_monkey:  sudo apt-get update
[01:15] <yojimbo-san> BlueMat: The wlan will be DHCP, but I recommend PcB/PcA eth to be static ...  however, you could run a dhcpd on PcA if you liked, that would allow PcB to be DHCP config'd.
[01:15] <BlueMat> yojimbo-san, I want to be able to access both boxes from externally directly, can I keep em on same subnet?
[01:15] <dloal> cafuego_: so.. what would the command be?
[01:15] <theine> Hi, does apt make a backup up copy of all configuration files in a .deb package so that I can easily view the differences between those and my modified ones under /etc?
[01:15] <dloal> I'm running apache2
[01:15] <eyequeue> a_monkey:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[01:16] <sandyeggoboy> good afternoon all
[01:16] <Kira> I will sell my soul, dignity, and body to the guy who makes a user friendly wizard to set up PPP over Wifi in Ubuntu.
[01:16] <sandyeggoboy> i am having a problem mounting a drive, wonder if anyone can help me
[01:16] <BlueMat> yojimbo-san, can I msg you
[01:16] <mustard5> sure sandyeggoboy
[01:16] <yojimbo-san> BlueMat: Yes,
[01:16] <mustard5> sandyeggoboy, tell us your problem
[01:16] <eyequeue> theine:  look for files named /etc/foo/*.dpkg-old and /etc/foo/*.pkg-new
[01:16] <sandyeggoboy> message is: mount: /dev/hdc2 already mounted or /mnt/Data busy
[01:17] <andre_m> is this where the party is? :)
[01:17] <Kira> s/guy/girl
[01:17] <sockpuppe1> ok folks ive just installed breezy
[01:17] <mustard5> what are you trying to do, sandyeggoboy ?
[01:17] <theine> eyequeue: alright, thanks
[01:17] <concept10> Anyone know what port RTSP (real) is?
[01:17] <sandyeggoboy> cannot seem to get this drive mounted at all. tried a different drive, its happening on all drives
[01:17] <sinistermilk> GOD HELP ME PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:17] <sandyeggoboy> i am trying to mount to drive so ican copy all the data from it onto a DVD
[01:18] <ficusplanet> sinistermilk, God is out at the moment
[01:18] <sinistermilk> SOMEONE HELP ME PLEASE!!!!?
[01:18] <God[afk] > :P
[01:18] <dloal> lol
[01:18] <Dr_Willis> sinistermilk,  Yell some more. :P or ask a question and see which works better
[01:18] <sockpuppe1> but when I rebooted i see grub with hoary and breezy
[01:18] <sandyeggoboy> brb, gotta refillmy teacup
[01:18] <sinistermilk> I'm haveing severe installation problems
[01:18] <sockpuppe1> te kernel for oary and breezy I mean
[01:19] <mustard5> sandyeggoboy, what is in /mnt/Data ?
[01:19] <sinistermilk> lol
[01:19] <miksu> sinistermilk now that was really a bad joke. really.
[01:19] <a_monkey> thanks guys
[01:19] <mustard5> sandyeggoboy, try umount /mnt/Data
[01:19] <sockpuppe1> and when I select breezy, kubuntu's screen pops up while grub is loading
[01:19] <sinistermilk> when try to install the breezt base system it gives me an error concerning initrd
[01:19] <theine> sockpuppe1: ?
[01:20] <sinistermilk> right at the end of base installation
[01:20] <N6REJ> sinistermilk, when did you dl the iso?
[01:20] <sinistermilk> then i skip it and install packages
[01:20] <sinistermilk> and everything is dandy unstill i reboot
[01:20] <sockpuppe1> theine what didn't you understand (not trying to be a prick just trying to understand if im not being clear enough)
[01:20] <mustard5> come back ubotu!
[01:20] <sinistermilk> and it freezes at the "finish installation" configuring ubuntu stcreen
[01:20] <sandyeggoboy> says: umount: /mnt/Data is not mounted (according to mtab)
[01:21] <sinistermilk> and now grub isnt working right either
[01:21] <mustard5> hmm..interesting sandyeggoboy
[01:21] <N6REJ> sinistermilk: when did you get breezy?  When was it downloaded?
[01:21] <theine> sockpuppe1: what do you mean grub is loading while the ubuntu screen pops up?
[01:21] <sandyeggoboy> yeah
[01:21] <sinistermilk> it was downloaded yesterday
[01:21] <sinistermilk> the md5sum was correct
[01:21] <boogster> who's setting up torrents for ubuntu
[01:21] <sockpuppe1> no no thats not what I meant
[01:21] <N6REJ> sinistermilk: is it RC1?
[01:22] <caonex> I have some timing issues with my amd64, with the latest kernel, is there a command to pass to the kernel or something to fix this? it keeps it steady at 1ghz supposely.
[01:22] <theine> sockpuppe1: but that's what you said, no?
[01:22] <sinistermilk> i dont know what that means
[01:22] <Kira> :P
[01:22] <briks> ubuntu suxx!
[01:22] <skep> lol
[01:22] <andre_m> lol
[01:22] <boogster> where can i download the devils0wn release
[01:22] <theine> briks: why?
[01:22] <sockpuppe1> grub is loading and it says kubuntu and lists underneath it everything thats loading
[01:22] <M4ximus> Where can i get lame for ubuntu ? please
[01:22] <andre_m> theine: he's an evil, baby-eating gentoo-er
[01:22] <NoUse> theine don't feed the trolls :-)
[01:22] <mustard5> sandyeggoboy, I'm not sure, but it doesnt sound like a hard problem for someone to solve
[01:22] <sockpuppe1> is that beause I installed kubuntu as well as gnome
[01:23] <sockpuppe1> NoUse who are you talking about
[01:23] <starscalling> 4:20!
[01:23] <sockpuppe1> ?
[01:23] <theine> sockpuppe1: I don't think it's grub that's loading in this case but the linux kernel
[01:23] <Dr_Willis> kubuntu install changes the logo screen yes.
[01:23] <Kira> M4ximus: it shouldn't be too hard to just download the source for lame and make. o.o
[01:23] <sockpuppe1> I stand corrected then
[01:23] <theine> sockpuppe1: anyway, what's the exact problem you're having?
[01:23] <mustard5> someone will come up with an answer if you keep asking :)
[01:23] <sinistermilk> any suggestions on atleast how to get atleast grub working to fix the computer
[01:23] <caonex> theine, because he's jealous
[01:23] <sinistermilk> i get error 15 when frub tries to load now
[01:23] <N6REJ> sinistermilk: if your not using RC1 then you need to redownload the ISO.  anything pre-colony4 had initrd problems.
[01:24] <sockpuppe1> is there supposed to be a listing fr hoary's kernel and breezy's kernel?
[01:24] <sinistermilk> thats the ing
[01:24] <sinistermilk> im on a live cd now
[01:24] <crimsun> sockpuppe1: a what?
[01:24] <M4ximus> Kira: was wondering if it was something already on apt-get
[01:24] <sinistermilk> the only way to get a os working on my comp
[01:24] <carthik> how do i check, using ssh if a remote directory exists?
[01:24] <N6REJ> sinistermilk: no, use the install CD if you want to install
[01:24] <mustard5> !tell sandyeggoboy about pastebin
[01:24] <sinistermilk> since grub is not working properly
[01:24] <crimsun> M4ximus: it's in breezy/multiverse
[01:24] <Kira> M4ximus: I doubt it. MP3 technology involves patent issues, I believe.
[01:24] <sinistermilk> i know to use the install cd to install
[01:24] <mustard5> sandyeggoboy, post your /etc/fstab in the pastebin
[01:24] <Kira> oh, there you go. :P
[01:24] <sexcopter8000m> sorry if this has been asked many a time tonight, but when is the final version of breezy out for download?
[01:24] <sockpuppe1> when I start my computer I see ubuntu 5.04's kernel version and breezy's kernel version
[01:25] <sockpuppe1> as boot choices
[01:25] <N6REJ> sinistermilk: have you tried hitting escape at the grub loader?
[01:25] <crimsun> sexcopter8000m: see the topic.
[01:25] <mustard5> sandyeggoboy, ubuto will tell you about the pastebin
[01:25] <sinistermilk> im saying it didnt install properly and now grub gives me an error 15 message
[01:25] <N6REJ> sinistermilk: there is an option for recovery mode there
[01:25] <M4ximus> crimsun - got the link please
[01:25] <sandyeggoboy> pastebin?
[01:25] <sandyeggoboy> huh?
[01:25] <sinistermilk> that doesnt work either
[01:25] <sinistermilk> it wont even load grub
[01:25] <sandyeggoboy> oh wait ..
[01:25] <sexcopter8000m> crimsun, no specific time set yet then? :s
[01:25] <crimsun> M4ximus: ...breezy...multiverse...
[01:25] <boogster> should i download RC1 or wait for the final release
[01:25] <N6REJ> sinistermilk: and you can't redownload from the website with the live cd?
[01:26] <jenocin> hola
[01:26] <sandyeggoboy> see. i can't get it online to the internet either, so i am onmy windoze machine right now
[01:26] <theine> sockpuppe1: i'm a bit confused i'm afraid... you see breezy and hoary in the grub menu, and that's a problem because?
[01:26] <crimsun> boogster: just wait; you're less than 24 hours away
[01:26] <jenocin> anyone know if you can use gfxmenu in grub with ubuntu?
[01:26] <speel> hey any one knows what time breezy will be released??
[01:26] <mustard5> k
[01:26] <Kira> ubotu: tell M4ximus about !repositories
[01:26] <sinistermilk> i cant burn it the disk drive is in use i only have one
[01:26] <sandyeggoboy> but iwill try to get it over there
[01:26] <crimsun> speel: read the topic.
[01:26] <mustard5> hmmm...what connection type?
[01:26] <speel> ah be patient
[01:26] <Rounin> If you have a slow connection, I guess you might as well wait N6REJ... But you can upgrade from one release to another
[01:26] <starscalling> im on a gbit to the house
[01:26] <mustard5> maybe you should troubleshoot internet first
[01:26] <starscalling> >_>
[01:26] <starscalling> i wish !_!
[01:26] <Kira> ubotu: tell M4ximus about repositories
[01:27] <sockpuppe1> any clues
[01:27] <N6REJ> Rounin: not me... its someone else
[01:27] <Kira> stupid bot... you told me to use the exclamation mark... -_-
[01:27] <eloone> in wht room am i??
[01:27] <N6REJ> sinistermilk: has a problem.. he's got a bum copy of breezy, and now the only OS he has is live, and doesn't think he can burn to cd with live installed.
[01:28] <eloone> anyone speak french pm me
[01:28] <Rounin> I see, N6REJ
[01:28] <N6REJ> sinistermilk: I think there is an option to install from live.  Have you tried that?
[01:28] <sockpuppe1> eloone #ubuntu-fr
[01:28] <N6REJ> eloone: !fr
[01:28] <N6REJ> ty sockpuppe1
[01:28] <sinistermilk> i've looked around and haven't found it do you know how one would do this?
[01:28] <theine> sockpuppe1: so can you actually boot into breezy?
[01:28] <N6REJ> sinistermilk: ask Rounin
[01:28] <miksu> so i just installed another media player .. where can i find the programs?
[01:28] <sockpuppe1> yessir
[01:29] <sockpuppe1> i did a dist-upgrade
[01:29] <theine> sockpuppe1: but you can't boot into your old hoary installation?
[01:29] <sockpuppe1> see thats the thing I upgraded
[01:29] <Kira> Why are there DVD images of BB?
[01:29] <sockpuppe1> so I didnt think It was ok to boot into either or
[01:29] <theine> sockpuppe1: so you're just wondering why the hoary boot entries still show up?
[01:29] <N6REJ> brb
[01:30] <sockpuppe1> yes theine totally
[01:30] <Kira> DVD = installation + live??
[01:30] <pupil> I am having probs setting up networking on my guest windows 98 with linux host
[01:30] <theine> sockpuppe1: probably because you still have the old kernel image from hoary installed
[01:30] <Rounin> N6REJ: Ugh... That happened to me too, with the breezy preview
[01:30] <Kira> oh, nvm, I just read the top of the image page. :P
[01:30] <sockpuppe1> will I run into problems?
[01:30] <theine> sockpuppe1: search for `linux-image' in synaptic
[01:30] <Rounin> N6REJ, What I had to do was install Hoary and upgrade to Breezy
[01:30] <miksu> cool ZINF works for shoutcast .. totem and rhytmbox did not
[01:31] <jenocin> anyone know if you can use gfxmenu in grub with ubuntu?
[01:31] <dloal> hello
[01:31] <boogster> 29 minutes
[01:31] <theine> sockpuppe1: if you remove the hoary image? no, it's safe to remove if the breezy image works
[01:31] <sayan> breeeeeeeeeeeeezyy
[01:31] <mustard5> hi dloal
[01:31] <dloal> I type "sudo apt-get install php"
[01:31] <dloal> but I get: E: Couldn't find package php
[01:31] <sockpuppe1> excellent
[01:31] <dloal> can someone please tell me how to install PHP?
[01:31] <Rounin> Anyone know how to recompile and submit packages though
[01:31] <dloal> through apt-get...
[01:32] <Rounin> 29 minutes left, and the package I need the most still doesn't work
[01:32] <Rounin> (or was that what you meant by 29 minutes?)
[01:32] <M4ximus> anybody got an internet radio station working with ubuntu ?
[01:32] <SuseUX> ok, it's the 13th, where is 5.10 final? :-D
[01:32] <Kira> sudo apt-get install xxx-dialer
[01:32] <boogster> they still have time to fix it
[01:32] <Kira> wait... wrong window. >_<
[01:32] <pupil> Rounin, I have breezy installed, I installed kernel headers,. is that enough to configure kernel modules for vmware when installing vmware,. I mean,. I didnt have any probs,. but I did have a prob when it came to networking.
[01:32] <bimberi> dloal: there are packages called php3 & php4 (in hoary)
[01:32] <jenocin> anyone use package grub2?
[01:32] <sockpuppe1> also one further question
[01:32] <theine> dloal: sudo apt-get install php4
[01:32] <mustard5> dloal, apt has a search function
[01:33] <theine> dloal: or php3 or php5...
[01:33] <N6REJ> Rounin: me 2 till I used colony 4, then it went well
[01:33] <mustard5> ah thanks theine
[01:33] <sockpuppe1> I installed stuff to compile on hoary
[01:33] <Rounin> pupil, I don't know actually, since I don't use vmware...
[01:33] <pupil> Rockett18, you using QEMU
[01:33] <sockpuppe1> do i need to install build-essential in breezy
[01:33] <Rounin> N6REJ: Colony 4? I haven't heard of that, to be honest ;)
[01:33] <dloal> but it says: E: Couldn't find package php5
[01:33] <mustard5> sockpuppe1, yes
[01:33] <N6REJ> Rounin: let me see if I can find it still
[01:33] <dloal> ok, question
[01:33] <bytter> damn... still having problem with solving DNS...
[01:33] <dloal> where can I get "libphp5.so"?
[01:33] <pupil> sockpuppe1,  you should install build-essential reguardless,. :p
[01:33] <theine> mustard5: i always use bash_completion if i know how the package name starts...
[01:33] <sockpuppe1> great!
[01:34] <mustard5> dloal, what about php4?
[01:34] <pupil> Rounin, are you using Qemu ?
[01:34] <mustard5> theine, ah....!  I'll try that
[01:34] <don-o> its 11:34pm in london. does that mean breezy comes out in 26 minutes?
[01:34] <dloal> I get the same thing
[01:34] <dloal> ednz: Couldn't find package php4
[01:34] <Rounin> Nope, pupil
[01:34] <dloal> ednz: Couldn't find package php4
[01:34] <dloal> , rather
[01:34] <mustard5> hmmmm...
[01:34] <theine> dloal: check out http://packages.ubuntu.com
[01:34] <pupil> Rounin, olh shoot,. I thought I was on the vmware site,. lol
[01:35] <cafuego_> dloal: libapache2-mod-php5
[01:35] <sandyeggoboy> ok, mustard5, pastebin has been done
[01:35] <boogster> No it's 12:34 in london
[01:35] <sockpuppe1> build-essential is already the newest version.
[01:35] <boogster> london is GMT-1 at this point in the year
[01:35] <dloal> cafuego_: yeah, where can I find that?
[01:35] <SuseUX> boogster, I was going to say :-)
[01:35] <mustard5> paste the url to your pastebin in here sandyeggoboy
[01:35] <sockpuppe1> is that because I dist-upgraded
[01:35] <don-o> boogster: heh. thanks.
[01:35] <sockpuppe1> ?
[01:35] <boogster> GMT+1 uk is
[01:35] <cafuego_> dloal: You can search for files using http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[01:35] <bytter> London and portugal because of daylight saving
[01:35] <cafuego_> !info libapache2-mod-php5
[01:35] <ubotu> libapache2-mod-php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 2.0 module)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.0.5-1ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 1823 kB, Installed size: 3980 kB
[01:35] <dloal> ah, it's not there
[01:36] <cafuego_> dloal: It's in main
[01:36] <sandyeggoboy> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3028
[01:36] <Kira> /quit and /part jaywalk and /part gets hit by a car. Who is left?
[01:36] <Rounin> Oh I see, pupil :)
[01:36] <cafuego_> dloal: You on hoary? Use php4.
[01:36] <mustard5> sockpuppe1, yes..probably
[01:36] <mustard5> thanks sandyeggoboy
[01:36] <sockpuppe1> even better
[01:36] <dloal> what exactly is hoary?
[01:36] <SuseUX> Firefox 1.5beta2 is --FAST--
[01:36] <sandyeggoboy> kewl, i did it.....
[01:36] <Rounin> The previous Ubuntu release, dloal
[01:36] <crimsun> rm is pretty fast, too.
[01:36] <Trashcan> hoary hedgehog = ubuntu 5.04
[01:36] <sandyeggoboy> pastebin that is ....
[01:36] <bytter> SuseUX, with or without cairo?
[01:36] <dloal> I'm on version 5.10
[01:36] <cafuego_> Rounin: No, the CURRENT Ubuntu release.
[01:36] <eyequeue> /quit
[01:36] <LaserLine> It's 13/10 here...
[01:36] <Meister> hey how ur doing?
[01:37] <sockpuppe1> since the official release is coming out tomorrow, do I need to install anything tomorrow
[01:37] <sockpuppe1> ?
[01:37] <sinistermilk> so when will the official release be available
[01:37] <SuseUX> bytheway, dont know, no chance of cairo in there, it's slow
[01:37] <chjchjchj> Help pls. 1st time installing ubuntu; laptop w no cd no floppy no other pc. Has win98. Worked out how to make room and d/l ubuntu image, extracted kernel and initrd, got loadlin, booted to DOS and started the install that way. All goes ok...BUT a) no choi
[01:37] <mustard5> hehe sandyeggoboy
[01:37] <sinistermilk> for downlaod
[01:37] <bytter> SuseUX, u already tested with cairo?
[01:37] <SuseUX> for now anyway
[01:37] <cafuego_> sockpuppe1: Just run a dist-upgrade tomorrow, IF it's out by then.
[01:37] <sockpuppe1> oh...
[01:37] <crimsun> chjchjchj: <cut off>
[01:37] <theine> dloal: sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5
[01:37] <mustard5> sandyeggoboy, what drive are you trying to mount?
[01:38] <mustard5> sandyeggoboy, what is its name?
[01:38] <dloal> ednz: Couldn't find package libapache2-mod-php5
[01:38] <SuseUX> bytheway, cario is slow at this time, needs alot more work
[01:38] <sockpuppe1> so there was no point in upgrading today?
[01:38] <psusi> anyone know why ansi graphics don't work right in telnet either from an xterm or the real text console?
[01:38] <Meister> can u propably help me out: I need a good repository for ubuntu, where I can download w32codecs or mplayer and all the servers i found on the internet are down...
[01:38] <ubuntu-friends> hi around the world!
[01:38] <eloone> hi
[01:38] <Meister> hey
[01:38] <sockpuppe1> hello
[01:38] <bytter> It's a pity glitz isn't yet up to the job
[01:38] <TylerDurden> how do i install .ebuilds?
[01:38] <chjchjchj> ...no choice to load from iso image so it downloaded all from web (no big prob) but b) after a few qs re timezone it started to install (I think) all packages - 850 - and eventually bombed with lack of disk...I gave it 1Gb...Q1 how to make loadlin read fr
[01:38] <N6REJ> don't know where its at now.  I did know
[01:39] <sandyeggoboy> trying to mount drive /dev/hdc
[01:39] <sandyeggoboy> has 4 partitions
[01:39] <bytter> and neither ATI drivers :P
[01:39] <SuseUX> bytheway, yer, you'd be better of using a -ck kernel for faster results
[01:39] <theine> dloal are you sure it's not there?
[01:39] <SuseUX> off*
[01:39] <dloal> i'm sure...
[01:39] <bytter> -ck?
[01:39] <bimberi> dloal: put your sources.list on a pastebin ...
[01:39] <bytter> SuseUX, -ck?
[01:39] <theine> dloal: it's in the main ubunut repository which is enabled by default...
[01:39] <bimberi> !pastebin
[01:39] <ubotu> I heard pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:39] <bytter> SuseUX, custom compiled, u mean?
[01:39] <SuseUX> bytheway, A kernel for me desktop
[01:39] <N6REJ> as of this second, this ..http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20051012.2/ is the most recent
[01:40] <SuseUX> more a desktop kernel
[01:40] <chjchjchj> ...Q1 read from iso, q2 how to limit the install to the packages I want, not everything
[01:40] <Meister> yeah but i cant find it, neither with apt nor with synaptics...
[01:40] <bytter> SuseUX, define desktop kernel
[01:40] <pupil> anyone have vmware 5.5 beta?
[01:40] <TylerDurden> how do i install .ebuilds?
[01:40] <SuseUX> yapyccky, much less latency
[01:40] <theine> bimberi: libapache2-mod-php5 is actually in main...
[01:40] <pupil> cause I'm haveing a heck of a time getting networking on 5.0
[01:40] <SuseUX> bytheway, much less latency
[01:41] <joelito> Wow 604, crowded night eh :)
[01:41] <bimberi> theine: i know :)
[01:41] <mustard5> sandyeggoboy, which partition on hdc are you mounting? hdc6?
[01:41] <crimsun> TylerDurden: find the equivalent in the repos and install it instead.
[01:41] <sockpuppe1> ahhh
[01:41] <crimsun> TylerDurden: they're for Gentoo.
[01:41] <chjchjchj> ...err...anyone follow that? Sorry for length
[01:41] <sockpuppe1> take it easy everyone
[01:41] <sockpuppe1> 1
[01:41] <joelito> Where's Breezy?
[01:41] <bimberi> joelito: it was over 650 a couple of hours ago!
[01:41] <TylerDurden> i need to install this one file
[01:41] <theine> bimberi: so his sources.list should be fine, no?
[01:41] <Kira> I'm curious. Is anybody here running Ubuntu on a PPC?
[01:41] <bytter> SuseUX, and how can u get/configure that?
[01:41] <lsuactiafner> kernels that allow processed like multimedia to get higher cpu even if they dont rightfully have that priority sucks if you run several copies of mplayer @ the same time
[01:41] <_-[yeti-slayer] -> anybody familiar with debian?
[01:41] <crimsun> TylerDurden: "this file" being..?
[01:41] <sandyeggoboy> no, 1 at the moment, then 2 then 3 then 4
[01:41] <bimberi> theine: not if he can't see the package
[01:41] <joelito> Yeah, crowded night
[01:41] <TylerDurden> nitro-sources-2.6.13.2-r1.ebuild crimsun
[01:41] <Meister> ahh too fast... ;-)
[01:41] <sandyeggoboy> i guess they kinda go 1, then 2, then 4 then 5
[01:41] <SuseUX> bytheway, preemption model is not in 2.6.12, thous not in the ubuntu kernel
[01:41] <sandyeggoboy> or something like that
[01:42] <Kira> _-[yeti-slayer] -: #debian
[01:42] <bytter> lsuactiafner, i keep wondering why u need several copies of mplayer simultaneously :P
[01:42] <sandyeggoboy> ???????
[01:42] <theine> bimberi: well... people do make spell errors...
[01:42] <_-[yeti-slayer] -> ty
[01:42] <mustard5> sandyeggoboy, all vfat?
[01:42] <chjchjchj> Meister hell yeah...need help...tough q to explain...think I am being missed out here...simple q really...
[01:42] <crimsun> TylerDurden: find the reference in the ebuild to the upstream tarball and build it
[01:42] <SuseUX> bytheway, -ck patched kernel is somewhat tuned for the desktop better
[01:42] <bimberi> theine: ?
[01:42] <TylerDurden> crimsun, what? im a noob to linux
[01:42] <bytter> SuseUX, and does it "really" make it better?
[01:42] <TylerDurden> can u explain a little please crimsun
[01:42] <crimsun> SuseUX: and -ck interacts very poorly with our patches
[01:42] <lsuactiafner> bytter : one copy for a movie i'm watching, one for -rootwin background, one for encoding media and checking some varibles with -nosound, one for a movie i paused before i started to watch another
[01:42] <mustard5> sandyeggoboy, all ntfs sorry?
[01:43] <sandyeggoboy> no, strangely 1 is NTFS, 2 is labeled w95 (LBA), 3 is NTFS, 4 is fat32
[01:43] <SuseUX> bytheway, YES, more responsive
[01:43] <theine> bimberi: nevermind, checking his sources.list won't do any harm of course... :)
[01:43] <willert> TylerDurden: Have a look at apt-get.org, maybe you can find a .deb file to install there
[01:43] <dloal> bimberi: http://pastebin.com/391742
[01:43] <bytter> lsuactiafner, now that's multimedia intensive :P :P
[01:43] <TylerDurden> willert can i just convert that ebuild into a deb?
[01:43] <dloal> my sources.list ...
[01:43] <SuseUX> crimsun, thats your patches problem then :-)
[01:43] <lsuactiafner> SuseUX : and under heavy loads it doesnt manage @ all.. reminds me of windows then
[01:43] <sandyeggoboy> you want copy of fdisk?
[01:43] <mustard5> sandyeggoboy, your mount commands to /mnt/Data are showing ext3 arent they?
[01:44] <theine> bimberi: i guess you were right...
[01:44] <SuseUX> lsuactiafner, actually preemption helps that out alot
[01:44] <willert> TylerDurden: no, I dont think so. You can convert rpm-packages with alien, but I fear you are out of luck with ebuilds
[01:44] <bimberi> dloal: _everything_ is commented out!
[01:44] <chjchjchj> ok, one more try...simple version...ubunto is installing EVERYTHING and I dont have enough room, how do I make it give me choice?
[01:44] <dloal> o
[01:44] <dloal> bimberi: it doesn't let me edit the file...
[01:44] <SuseUX> swap-prefect helps as well
[01:44] <bimberi> dloal: except the CD that is :)
[01:44] <lsuactiafner> SuseUX : nope, all copies playing @ the same time makes them all freeze
[01:44] <sandyeggoboy> yes but i have them commented out so they wont run
[01:44] <TylerDurden> gah i really need to install that ebuild
[01:44] <mustard5> yeah ok sandyeggoboy although I have never seen and fdisk output before :)
[01:44] <dloal> how do I make the file editable?
[01:45] <evian> if a deb is broken in a repository and someone fixes it, how does one go about getting the fixed version into the repository? (E.g. skype in breezy was messed up, but the comments by Dan Schmidt on http://www.mneylon.com/blog/archives/2005/09/25/skype-on-breezy/ show how to fix it.)
[01:45] <lsuactiafner> SuseUX : if it obeyed the cpu nice -n 6 copies in the background would freeze instead but not the one i'm watching
[01:45] <theine> dloal: try `sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list'
[01:45] <bimberi> dloal: prepend the command with sudo (eg. sudo nano ...)
[01:45] <miksu> will the update notfier notify of breezy final?
[01:45] <SuseUX> lsuactiafner, how to you know it's preemption?
[01:45] <crimsun> miksu: it has no concept of "final", nor should it.
[01:46] <willert> TylerDurden: As far as I know .ebuilds only contain infos about how to build a source distribution and no binaries at all so downloading the .tar.gz file and running './configure && make && make install' shouldn't be much more complicated
[01:46] <sandyeggoboy> well does the ## make that lione not run by fstab?
[01:46] <theine> dloal: have you tried using synaptic by the way?
[01:46] <lsuactiafner> SuseUX : since 2.6.12 didnt have preempt and it didnt screw up
[01:46] <mustard5> sandyeggoboy, actually I would like to see the output of 'mount'
[01:46] <chjchjchj> Please can someone help me out here...I am taking notes for the next mug^h^h^hwindows dual-booter
[01:46] <dloal> theine: I have no idea how to use it
[01:46] <lsuactiafner> same config, make my own kernels.
[01:46] <SuseUX> lsuactiafner, 2.6.12 did have preemption
[01:46] <bimberi> dloal: uncomment lines 5, 10, 20, 23 & 26 (on your pastebin)
[01:46] <SuseUX> just now it's split up
[01:46] <SuseUX> in 2.6.13
[01:46] <crimsun> evian: skype is not in breezy.
[01:46] <caonex> I have some timing issues with my amd 64 bit cpu. It seems as if though is using half capacity, that is 1ghz. Any ideas on how to solve this problem?
[01:47] <mustard5> sandyeggoboy, yeah..its commented out
[01:47] <willert> TylerDurden: I've never used an ebiuld distro though, so take this info with a grain of salt
[01:47] <crimsun> chjchjchj: what's the issue?
[01:47] <Kira> caonex: is it dual core?
[01:47] <caonex> Kira, no it is not.
[01:47] <TylerDurden> willert, this is whats in the ebuild http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3029
[01:47] <lsuactiafner> SuseUX : (X) Voluntary Kernel Preemption (Desktop) <-- not nice
[01:47] <mustard5> can you paste output from mount in same paste window sandyeggoboy ?
[01:47] <chjchjchj> crimsun see above...installing on nocd nofloppy using loadlin...no choice, starts to install all 850 files then out of room
[01:47] <evian> crimsun, oh I guess it is in universe (by the way skype works for me now because I have got a new machine -- although it still doesn't work on my previous laptop but thats ok)
[01:48] <caonex> Kira, i saw something on google about that but does not apply to me because is single core
[01:48] <chjchjchj> crimsun how to make the installer give me a choice of packages
[01:48] <crimsun> evian: it is NOT in universe.
[01:48] <lsuactiafner> or what do you suggest for someone that plays mplayer with nice -3 and 6 and i want the kernel to obey it, sever hey?
[01:48] <caonex> Kira, any ideas?
[01:48] <Kira> caonex: no clue. :(
[01:48] <SuseUX> lsuactiafner, care to explain why?
[01:48] <lsuactiafner> caonex : its cpu throttle
[01:48] <caonex> Kira, what a lock
[01:48] <crimsun> chjchjchj: choose the server install option
[01:48] <sandyeggoboy> is that the output from mount -a
[01:48] <chjchjchj> crimsun ...and pref how to install from an iso rather than dl everything at install time.
[01:48] <caonex> lsuactiafner, what do you mean?
[01:48] <evian> crimsun, oh ok... I'll have to check where it came from then
[01:48] <chjchjchj> crimsun where? mo choices given
[01:48] <mustard5> sandyeggoboy, no
[01:48] <bytter> lsuactiafner, kernel to get hold of BeOS tricks for multimedia :P
[01:48] <lsuactiafner> caonex : if you start using more than 50% of the cpu it will scale up, use more power, run hotter but run @ 2G like it should
[01:48] <chjchjchj> s/mo/no/
[01:48] <mustard5> sandyeggoboy, just mount
[01:49] <willert> TylerDurden: Wow, installing a kernel on your own is not so easy, one moment ...
[01:49] <TylerDurden> willert, i already did
[01:49] <crimsun> chjchjchj: you should have an installer prompt
[01:49] <sandyeggoboy> ok
[01:49] <sandyeggoboy> coming up .. please hold
[01:49] <mustard5> will do
[01:49] <TylerDurden> willert, but i compiled a regular one using a guide, i didnt use this file or anythimg. im very confused on what to do with this file
[01:49] <caonex> lsuactiafner, so you saying it is not really using it, it can use up to 1ghz and it will stay the same?
[01:49] <chjchjchj> crimsun I have no cd no floppy so got loadlin, extracted the kernel and initrd, ran it w loadlin...install asked me where I was and keyboard etc but no choice of packages
[01:50] <mustard5> hehe bimberi
[01:50] <SuseUX> I always find distros seem to not like people using a kernel from kernel.org, they think there is best
[01:50] <caonex> lsuactiafner, is like heating a motor....you have to heat it before using it, in cold weather of course. In this case, the processor is ready for heavy operations?
[01:50] <lsuactiafner> caonex :  am saying its like a transmission, right now to run it only needs the fist gear, but when you need to go faster it goes to the second gear
[01:50] <willert> TylerDurden: http://users.pandora.be/seppe/nitro/2.6.13.2-nitro1/series contains an installation instruction
[01:50] <crimsun> chjchjchj: you should be able to back out to the full menu
[01:50] <bytter> Gamer2, Fridge has freezed for me a long time ago :P
[01:50] <crimsun> brb
[01:50] <TylerDurden> ha willert i just got there myself
[01:50] <Kira> ubotu: tell caonex about emifreq
[01:50] <lsuactiafner> right now nothing is using the cpu, so its not running @ full capacity, since there is no need for it
[01:50] <TylerDurden> willert, it says download somefile.bz2 but idk where to find it :S
[01:51] <Kira> What do you mean "I don't know"?
[01:51] <willert> TylerDurden: just leave out the 'series', its in the same dir
[01:51] <caonex> lsuactiafner, so to run ubuntu it needs 1ghz?
[01:51] <chjchjchj> crimsun from which part? I followed the onscreen stuff, name, local, kb etc...then it started installing 850 packs
[01:51] <Aven> hey
[01:51] <Aven> what's the command to locate a file ?
[01:51] <caonex> lsuactiafner, even in standby mode?
[01:51] <lsuactiafner> but when you run a shitload of appz @ the same time, or something very cpu intensive, it will scale up and run as fast as possible
[01:51] <chjchjchj> crimsun btw the brub all worked fine
[01:51] <Kira> caonex: no
[01:51] <TylerDurden> willert, i see a patch-filename.bz2 but thats a patch
[01:51] <lsuactiafner> caonex : espcially in standby mode, saves electricity
[01:51] <thechitowncubs> what timezone is ubuntu going to be realeased on
[01:52] <chjchjchj> crimsun following reboot it installed the "base" stuff then went straight on to the pkgs with no prompting
[01:52] <bytter> GMT+1
[01:52] <caonex> lsuactiafner, Kira , sorry i am just clarifying to understand guys...
[01:52] <bimberi> Aven: it's "locate <file>" :)
[01:52] <bytter> uh
[01:52] <ubuntu-friends> @aven: locate <filename>, find, and so on
[01:52] <Kira> caonex: I think it's just that your chipset's built-in power management kicked in.
[01:52] <bytter> actually GMT without daylight saving
[01:52] <lsuactiafner> caonex : but since i use my cpu @ full capacity i never drop to low gears, i keep @ 2G all the way
[01:52] <caonex> Kira, it has always being like that...
[01:52] <bimberi> Aven: as long as the locate database is up to date (sudo updatedb)
[01:52] <caonex> lsuactiafner, well damn...hehe
[01:52] <SuseUX> lsuactiafner, -ck patch demonstrates this with xcomposite, there is no left over shadow trails when you minimize a window
[01:52] <Kira> caonex: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-22285.html
[01:52] <camilo> hey what would i do with a .package file to install the package?
[01:53] <miksu> so what is the folder for games and programs? (real newbie in linux)
[01:53] <lsuactiafner> caonex : type uptime in a terminal, if loads approach load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00 it will scale up
[01:53] <lsuactiafner> caonex : my load is load average: 1.67, 1.64, 1.62
[01:53] <bytter> Ok.. So... What's the url for Dapper packages *grin*
[01:53] <lsuactiafner> but most of the time is high 2 - 3
[01:53] <bimberi> camilo: afaik, ubuntu doesn't work with .package files, what are you installing?
[01:54] <chjchjchj> Anyone_
[01:54] <bimberi> bytter: aw, i was going to say that :)
[01:54] <gmjonker> crimsun: to get back on that problem i had... i think you were right, it is a proxy problem. i found some guy on the internet who had the same problem, and it was caused by a content filter at his isp... mine is using one too... that must be it. Also, switching to ftp now seems to solve it...
[01:54] <camilo> armagetron :)
[01:54] <NoUse> miksu its really not stored in one place for everything, generally its /usr/bin for the executables but it can change
[01:54] <camilo> the new beta is in rpm or package form for linux
[01:54] <bytter> bimberi, I'm just waiting for the dapper forum to be opened :P
[01:54] <NoUse> miksu are you looking for anything specifc?
[01:54] <bytter> bimberi, that's the whole point in breezy release :P
[01:54] <chjchjchj> ...during install after reboot it tries to install all 850 pkgs and bombs...how do I make it give me a choice?
[01:54] <willert> TylerDurden: Sorry, I am not registered... ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.13.2.tar.bz2 contains the sources you need to patch like described in the 'series' file
[01:54] <miksu> nouse i installed crossfire in synaptic..it is a game
[01:55] <willert> too late ;(
[01:55] <caonex> lsuactiafner, load average: 0.95, 0.46, 0.47
[01:55] <Razor-X> miksu: try opening up a terminal and just typing in ``crossfire''
[01:55] <caonex> Kira, i have something like that program that comes with ubuntu
[01:55] <miksu> nouse thanks found it
[01:55] <bytter> 5 minutes
[01:55] <caonex> Kira, i mean gnome, it is on the bar
[01:55] <NoUse> miksu sure
[01:55] <bimberi> camilo: you can install rpms using "alien"
[01:56] <camilo> all right
[01:56] <brodmann> what does the xvf mean in this command? gunzip -c files.tar.gz | tar xvf
[01:56] <camilo> that's in the repositories?
[01:56] <tiax> extract, verbose, file
[01:56] <Razor-X> brodmann: you know, you don't need to do that anymore
[01:56] <crimsun> brodmann: the same as tar xfz files.tar.gz
[01:56] <Razor-X> brodmann: if you use tar -xvzf files.tar.gz, you can get the same effect
[01:56] <bimberi> camilo: yes indeed :)
[01:56] <brodmann> really
[01:56] <brodmann> ah yes
[01:56] <brodmann> very nice
[01:56] <camilo> neat, thanks
[01:56] <caonex> lsuactiafner, did i understand it right? in standby the fact that my processor is running a 1ghz even when not required will save power?
[01:56] <lsuactiafner> brodmann : tar -zxf files.tar.gz ; gz file, extract, follow
[01:56] <bimberi> camilo: yw :)
[01:56] <ompaul> or if you add repos you may get the native format and it would be better to use source than rpms
[01:56] <camilo> peace
[01:56] <brodmann> what's the xfz?  permissions?
[01:56] <joe__> hi guys, can someone give me the new backports addy since mirror max is down?
[01:56] <SuseUX> I wonder if gnome devs will see the light and give us a FAST gnome 2.14?
[01:56] <lsuactiafner> caonex : much more power
[01:57] <Razor-X> brodmann: extract, file, verbose, if i'm not mistaken
[01:57] <Razor-X> brodmann: take a look at the manpage for better details
[01:57] <caonex> lsuactiafner, wow i cant see how...
[01:57] <mustard5> !tell joe__ about backports
[01:57] <brodmann> ah
[01:57] <brodmann> thanks
[01:57] <chjchjchj> ...please I need help here with an install Q...am trying to make notes for win installers...using loadlin...after initial install went ok it reboots and tries to install all packages and runs out of space. No choice/no prompt to choose which packages
[01:57] <lsuactiafner> caonex : if it speed goes up by 100% you use more than 100% more power, i think around 180%
[01:57] <caonex> lsuactiafner, ok so you saying it is like a car, it is in D but you do not necessarily use each gear 100%
[01:58] <miksu> heh that game was not very beautiful :(
[01:58] <caonex> lsuactiafner, 100% being 2ghz in this case?
[01:58] <lsuactiafner> sorta
[01:58] <osfameron> !eclipse
[01:58] <ubotu> to install eclipse please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EclipseIDE
[01:58] <Razor-X> miksu: nethack is beautiful :P
[01:58] <ompaul> brodmann,  x extract f use stdout v verbose z compressed in gzip format
[01:58] <sandyeggoboy> mustartd5 - http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3030
[01:58] <brodmann> ok gotcha
[01:58] <caonex> lsuactiafner, ok so let me get it all straight, it saves power, but that indicator does not mean that is running at exactly 1ghz
[01:58] <Razor-X> ompaul: f overrides default behavior for stdin, has nothing to do with stdout
[01:58] <mustard5> sandyeggoboy, k
[01:58] <lsuactiafner> caonex : double the speed its now requires 180% more power for 100%/double more performance
[01:59] <Kira> lsuactiafner: to overcome the increased impedance in the circuits due to heating, right?
[01:59] <brodmann> trying to install jbuilder...that's my main goal
[01:59] <lsuactiafner> caonex : i dont understand why you dont understand.. its like a transmission, simple enough
[01:59] <chjchjchj> ...windoze user trying to get into this thing...want to make notes for others, but cant install...gonna give up if nobody has any ideas here
[01:59] <miksu> razor-x played nethack and adom but sort of bored with roguelikes
[01:59] <Razor-X> miksu: meh
[01:59] <lsuactiafner> Kira : resistance and heat.
[01:59] <joelito> Can't wait, need breezy
[01:59] <miksu> razor-x actually i played adom every day for 8 years =)
[01:59] <evian> If I want to use lirc, why do I have to compile a kernel module? Couldn't there be a deb which just installs a precompiled one?
[01:59] <XTR-II> When is breezy out?
[01:59] <Razor-X> miksu: Tuxracer is also excellent, as is Frozen Bubble
[02:00] <Kira> XTR-II in 6 months
[02:00] <joelito> Hopefully tonite
[02:00] <XTR-II> Kew.
[02:00] <cafuego_> XTR-II: When it's ready.
[02:00] <Gamer2> woohoo, 0:00 GMT
[02:00] <bytter> ....
[02:00] <andre_m> party!
[02:00] <Razor-X> but, I don't play many games on the computer, I'm besotted with Knife of Dreams, and secondly, Final Fantasy VII on a newly bought used PSX
[02:00] <LaserLine> What package let's you configure QT apps in Gnome without installing KDE ?
[02:00] <ubuntu-friends> gogogo
[02:00] <joelito> Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[02:00] <lsuactiafner> an engire runs as fast as it needs to run, it doesnt give all its got to go @ 3k/m hour only...
[02:00] <bytter> waaaittiiiingggg :P
[02:00] <Kira> quick! everybody refresh the image page!
[02:00] <miksu> BRING OUT YOUR BEER =)
[02:00] <cafuego_> afaik they're still testing atm. They'll release when they're happy that it works.
[02:00] <evian> LaserLIne, qtconfig ?
[02:00] <Rounin> Hm, by the way - Is there an Ubuntu channel for Japanese/Korean/Chinese users? I'd like to ask them about input methods
[02:00] <LaserLine> evian Thanks, I forgot it's name... :-)
[02:01] <mustard5> sandyeggoboy, I'd like to just walk-through mounting the drive on a different directory
[02:01] <Razor-X> Rounin: there must be, and I know there is a CJK input method, can't remember offhand what it is, though
[02:01] <mustard5> see what happens
[02:01] <Gamer2> forums are alive
[02:01] <Gamer2> and very responsive
[02:01] <Rounin> Oh, I know of some... The one I'm using now is OK actually
[02:01] <bytter> not here!
[02:02] <Kira> me gotta go
[02:02] <troth> im on a Kubuntu live cd right now and it wont mount my drives (hda1, hdb1, etc.) anyone know why?
[02:02] <joelito> yes, they have good servers
[02:02] <Rounin> But there are some better ones... One doesn't work in Breezy, and the other isn't included
[02:02] <Gamer2> fridge got stuck in the freezer though
[02:02] <LaserLine> If I install Ubuntu Desktop and after that the Kubuntu Desktop package, and put all the KDE apps in a submenu in the Application menu - will it affect KDE menu ?
[02:02] <andre_m> you call this a party? you guys and gals are lame
[02:02] <brodmann> Razor-X, when I run apt-get update...I need to run the package manager update before I can install codecs?
[02:02] <bytter> hmmm
[02:02] <brodmann> i keep getting errors while trying to apt-get
[02:02] <bytter> strange
[02:02] <Razor-X> brodmann: you only need to run ``apt-get update'' if you updated your sources.list
[02:02] <RobNyc> HEllo, what light wm can I Install
[02:02] <bytter> epiphany opens the forums... but firefox doesn't...
[02:02] <Khaaaaaan> How many updates are left before Breezy is released?
[02:02] <brodmann> hmm
[02:02] <Razor-X> Razor-X: put the errors in pastebin, if you would
[02:03] <pupil> what folder contains the files with .desktop extension?
[02:03] <Gamer2> There we go, forums are definately feelign it now
[02:03] <bytter> ok.. firefox didn't liked Fridge not answering..
[02:03] <troth> im on a Kubuntu live cd right now and it wont mount my drives (hda1, hdb1, etc.) anyone know why?
[02:03] <chjchjchj> ok I give in...back to windows for me...bye
[02:03] <mustard5> sandyeggoboy, ?
[02:03] <axeus> I'm thinking about enabling xcompmgr/transset, but I hear xcomposite is still quite buggy? Anyone have trouble with it?
[02:04] <bytter> chjchjchj, u quit easily :P
[02:04] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: well, why are you using loadlin in the first place?
[02:04] <ikmo> axeus, it crashes my breezy
[02:04] <Khaaaaaan> I wonder if I can play enemy territory on my IBM laptop...
[02:04] <chjchjchj> razor-x; no cd no floppy no other pc
[02:04] <LaserLine> What does AutoFS package do ?
[02:04] <Zotnix> I was wondering.. is there a policy of updating non-critical apps between releases?
[02:04] <Orborde> I used Synaptic to get Pingus - now how do I play it...?
[02:04] <dreifinger> hey peeps...
[02:04] <miksu> great sound quality in xinf..much better than winamp
[02:04] <axeus> I bet they'll have it fixed up nicely by 6.06, you think?
[02:04] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: hmmmmm...
[02:04] <evian> pupil: find /usr -name \*.desktop
[02:05] <foxgamer> Hi all. I've got a program that won't run because it needs libtcl8.4.so.0. IT says the file is not there, but it is. I have used ldconfig -p | grep libtcl and it is recognised.
[02:05] <Hans`> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/ ALIVE!!
[02:05] <Hans`> :)))))))))))))))))))
[02:05] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: shoulda said that :P hold your horses, i'll try and see if I can help you
[02:05] <Gamer2> cool
[02:05] <Gamer2> forums are getting worse
[02:05] <brodmann> oooo, did you get that razor?
[02:05] <bytter> lol
[02:05] <bytter> the countdown says NOW
[02:05] <selinium> Orborde, have you tried typing pingus in a term?
[02:05] <Hans`> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/ YEAH!
[02:05] <Hans`> :)
[02:05] <chjchjchj> razor-x did say that ;-) and am trying to take notes for others
[02:05] <troth> anyone?
[02:05] <joelito> we brought fridge down
[02:06] <LaserLine> What does AutoFS do ?
[02:06] <Orborde> selinium: Oh...crap. D'oh.
[02:06] <K^Holtz> fridge is back up and it says (NOW) for release
[02:06] <Hans`> yessssssss
[02:06] <Orborde> selinium: I tried it with a few options to order it into Windows mode, and never tried it without options. :)
[02:06] <brodmann> Razor-X, did you get those errors?
[02:07] <carthik_> any bash gurus willing to help out a newbie one-on-one for 5 minutes?
[02:07] <zoot_> evening... MAJOR problem on re-install of breezy :( had software raid on 2 disks, wanted to do fresh install on one of the disks (migrate using mdadm later) and now on boot: "Target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init" - it appears to have apptempted to load the non-existent md devices...
[02:07] <selinium> Orborde, lol
[02:07] <cafuego_> K^Holtz: You'll also note is counts in _days_.
[02:07] <SuseUX> LaserLine, auto mounts filesystems, like remotes ones
[02:07] <miksu> THIS IS SO COOL! I LOVE YOU GUYS, I CHERISH UBUNTU! NEVER AGAIN WINDOWS! THANK YOU UBUNTU - THANK YOU COMMUNITY =)
[02:07] <K^Holtz> cafuego_ it was in hours a little bit ago
[02:07] <bytter> ????
[02:07] <Razor-X> brodmann: can you repost the URL?
[02:07] <chjchjchj> loud...but well meaning ;-)
[02:07] <NoUse> miksu your gratitude is appreciated but try not to yell
[02:08] <bytter> :D
[02:08] <miksu> nouse sorry got a bit excited..seldom case
[02:08] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: how'd you get Windows there in the first place?
[02:08] <NoUse> miksu I understand :-)
[02:08] <axeus> *cough*
[02:08] <mustard5> :)
[02:08] <bytter> Forums have 200 ppl seeing a single thread, lol
[02:08] <Hans`> Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 212 (99 members and 113 guests)
[02:08] <Hans`> omg
[02:08] <ubuntu-friends> great!
[02:08] <icewt> hm.. so are there final breezy images somewhere?
[02:08] <bytter> 208, actually
[02:08] <chjchjchj> raxor-x bought an old laptop, it only had win2k...repartitioned, installed DOS then 98. Now trying to put linux on it.
[02:09] <foxgamer> Anyone able to help with getting libtcl8.4.so.0 seen by a program?
[02:09] <rowan> hello all
[02:09] <ubuntu-friends> hi
[02:09] <bytter> I can't keep up with the messages, lololol
[02:09] <TiMiDo> hello rowan
[02:09] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: ahhh
[02:09] <SuseUX> there are a handful of Linux users according to microsoft and there trolls :-)
[02:09] <HrdwrBob> their
[02:09] <LaserLine> SuseUX Is it worth installing ?
[02:09] <chjchjchj> razor-x hence fast net, but nothing else. 128mb ram, only 4.5gb HDD. I have 1gb to give to linux
[02:10] <zoot_> how on earth does a re-install find raid devices on disks whos mbr's i wiped out, created new partition tables on and formatted?
[02:10] <rowan> greetings.  I'm a brand new linux user (as of yesterday) but am baffled as to how to install applications.  Is there a resource out there that helps with this?
[02:10] <SuseUX> LaserLine, what?
[02:10] <ThomasM> HrdwrBob: Always nice to meet another grammar Nazi.
[02:10] <bytter> zoot_, happened to me...
[02:10] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: have you tried to boot a Linux floppy kernel image using loadlin?
[02:10] <HrdwrBob> ThomasM: :D
[02:10] <ubuntu_> eae
[02:10] <LaserLine> SuseUX AutoFS
[02:10] <cevizoglu> bad zoot, naughty zoot
[02:10] <omp> hmm
[02:10] <cevizoglu> sorry, I had to  :P
[02:10] <miksu> so you guys gould we gather for a game..any suggestions ? =)
[02:10] <foxgamer> rowan: You can use the synaptic package manager to help you install.
[02:10] <ThomasM> HrdwrBob: There needs to be more of us in these dark times.
[02:10] <ubuntu_> Brazil
[02:10] <tristanmike> rowan, check out synaptic
[02:10] <zoot_> bytter: so you also got: Target system doesn't have /sbin/init ?
[02:10] <bytter> miksu, I sugest neverwinter nights :P
[02:10] <HrdwrBob> ThomasM: indeed
[02:11] <cevizoglu> zoot_, because it didn't actually wipe the mbr's?
[02:11] <ubuntu_> hi
[02:11] <SuseUX> HrdwrBob, never use their, the latters are to far away from each other :-)
[02:11] <tristanmike> !tell rowan about synaptic
[02:11] <rowan> thanks for the tips
[02:11] <chjchjchj> razor-x no...can you do that? I could try it...is there a floppy image in the iso?
[02:11] <zoot_> bytter: how did you eventually wipe them
[02:11] <bytter> zoot_, do u have a motherboard with RAID support? like VIA?
[02:11] <omp> on fridge.ubuntu.com it says "Ubuntu 5.10 Final Release (NOW)" under upcoming events, but i don't see it on the ubuntu website yet
[02:11] <LaserLine> At what timezone is Breezy beeubg released ?
[02:11] <miksu> bytter lol no more commercial soft for me .. and i think that is
[02:11] <ubuntu_> TEm algum brazuca ae?
[02:11] <zoot_> bytter: no
[02:11] <zoot_> bytter: using software raid
[02:11] <bytter> ubuntu-friends, brazuca nao.. portugues!
[02:11] <bytter> zoot_, hmmm...
[02:11] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: wait... what did you try and boot in loadlin when you had the CD?
[02:11] <TiMiDo> ubuntu-friends: #ubuntu-br
[02:11] <Belutz> how to set pin for bluetooth?
[02:11] <SuseUX> LaserLine, no
[02:12] <bytter> zoot_, when it happened to me, I had hardware RAID turned on and ubuntu freaked out...
[02:12] <LaserLine> SuseUX Why ? It sounds usefull...
[02:12] <Razor-X> bytter, TiMiDo: meh, tab-complete :P
[02:12] <ubuntu_>  a primeira vez q uso esse ubuntu
[02:12] <ubuntu_> mto bom
[02:12] <Razor-X> ubuntu_: #ubuntu-br
[02:12] <sean> HUH :-? wer am i ? am i in the matrix ? :)) LOL
[02:12] <bytter> miksu, ok... so what about liquid wars? :P
[02:12] <SuseUX> LaserLine, if you use remote filesystems then yes, other then that it's useless
[02:12] <chjchjchj> razor-x looking
[02:12] <bytter> miksu, a Liquid Wars competition with 611 ppl, eheh
[02:12] <boogster> where's ubuntu?
[02:13] <ThomasM> omp: It says the release time is midnight 10-13-2005.
[02:13] <Razor-X> boogster: hmmmm?
[02:13] <Gamer2> 235 in that thread now
[02:13] <Gamer2> and gaining
[02:13] <Razor-X> ThomasM: midnight in what timezone?
[02:13] <tiax> gmt
[02:13] <omp> ThomasM: what timezone?
[02:13] <Razor-X> ok
[02:13] <ThomasM> Razor-X: GMT
[02:13] <boogster> gmt passed
[02:13] <LaserLine> SuseUX If I install Breezy on a system that already has windows, will I see all my partitiones in Ubuntu ?
[02:13] <Razor-X> 4 PM 10/13 then :P
[02:13] <bytter> ok, Forums are REALLY feeling the pressure!
[02:13] <chjchjchj> razor-x I extracted all of \install\netboot\ubuntu-installer\i386 and then did loadlin linux root=/dev/ram rw initrd=initrd.gz
[02:13] <ThomasM> Which should have been... what? an hour and fifteen minutes ago?
[02:13] <Razor-X> perfect for me :P
[02:13] <shekhar> greetings all, can someone help me with openafs/arla?
[02:13] <M4ximus> Question: what this means what am i missin ? configure:2366 error: C Compiler cannot create executable ?
[02:13] <M4ximus> please
[02:13] <omp> is it not already midnight gmt?
[02:13] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: what's the error?
[02:14] <crimsun> M4ximus: build-essential
[02:14] <boogster> gmt was 14 minutes ago
[02:14] <crimsun> shekhar: are you using BreezyL
[02:14] <crimsun> s/L/\?/
[02:14] <Prof_Frink> Hmmm, it's gonna be one fast torrent when it happens
[02:14] <zoot_> bytter: originally setup partitions on /dev/sda[123..] , then installed, then partitioned /dev/sdb[123..] , then created /dev/md[123...]  with missing disks (ie only from /dev/sdb[123..]  then rebooted (and more) then added the /dev/sda[123..]  partitions into the raid arrays - worked like a charm. now, because both mbr's contain the mbr pointing to the raid devices it seems to panic :(
[02:14] <foxgamer> boogster: gmt was an hour and 14 mins ago :)
[02:14] <ubuntu-friends> bytter: sorry? I dont understand...
[02:14] <shekhar> crimsun:  yes!
[02:14] <SuseUX> LaserLine, yes, most distros set it up for you, nenevr used WIndows with ubuntu so
[02:14] <icewt> my wget is waiting... ;)
[02:14] <evian> I'm already running breezy, do I change my repository settings when it comes out officially?
[02:14] <ThomasM> omp: I'm at GMT-5, and it's currently 20:15, but I'm not sure about daylight savings and all that.
[02:14] <bytter> ubuntu-friends, u don't understand what?
[02:14] <boogster> No GMT was 15 minutes ago, london is GMT+1 at the moment
[02:14] <M4ximus> crimsun: installing
[02:14] <omp> ThomasM: oh, i'm PST :)
[02:14] <chjchjchj> razor-x all goes well...installs from web...but tries to install everything after the reboot...ie installs base stuff and then carries on w 850 packages...no choices...eventually bombs out of room
[02:14] <G-Spot> OK, how do I get gpilot to see a usb Palm Pilot?
[02:14] <crimsun> Shadowline: are you using openafs-modules-source?
[02:14] <bytter> zoot_, now that's weird
[02:14] <sean> what are the  specification  in which i should need to install unbuntu ?
[02:14] <ThomasM> omp: You're GMT-8, then.
[02:14] <omp> ThomasM: i know :)
[02:14] <ubuntu-friends> bytter: brazuca nao.. portugues!
[02:15] <zoot_> bytter: tried: if=/dev/zero bs=512 count=1 of=/dev/sda
[02:15] <crimsun> sean: please see the RC announcement
[02:15] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: can you also get me a directory listing of that site?
[02:15] <zoot_> bytter: and for /dev/sdb
[02:15] <sean> hmmmm.... RC ?
[02:15] <foxgamer> boogster: It was an hour and 14 mins ago. I am in uk. I should know ;)
[02:15] <LaserLine> Anyone knows if after Installing Breezy on a Windows XP Machine I'll see all of my partitiones?
[02:15] <zoot_> bytter: of course prepended by 'dd'
[02:15] <boogster> I am in the UK TOO, UK is GMT+1 this time of year
[02:15] <chjchjchj> razor-x what site?
[02:15] <ThomasM> G-Spot: I've not looked into it for a few years, but I had to use 'dmesg' to find out which USB /dev slot it was on, and then either symlink that from /dev/pilot or configure g-pilot to use that /dev slot.
[02:15] <bytter> zoot_, don't have a clue... try with only 2 disks first
[02:15] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: nevermind, sorry, I just got another idea
[02:15] <shekhar> crimsun:  you mean shekhar, not Shadowline... yes, i have installed openafs-modules-source and openafs-client
[02:15] <bytter> zoot_, sorry, two partitions
[02:16] <evian> LaserLIne, I don't think they show up without you doing your own mounts
[02:16] <SuseUX> LaserLine, fat32?
[02:16] <boogster> GMT: http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/
[02:16] <gmjonker> Laserline: I didnt see mine, but it was not so hard to mount them. My usb drives did show up nicely though.
[02:16] <boogster> 00:16 GMT
[02:16] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: there should be an Ubuntu boot floppy out there, lemme see if there isn't (been a while since i've helped out here)
[02:16] <zoot_> bytter: how's that going to help?
[02:16] <crimsun> shekhar: yes, nick-complete fubar and me->work
[02:16] <chjchjchj> razor-x appreciate it all
[02:16] <crimsun> Shadowline: sorry
[02:16] <zoot_> it's the mbr that seems poked
[02:16] <bytter> zoot_, dunno! just a guess
[02:16] <paradon> 'date -u' gives you GMT.
[02:16] <zoot_> ;)
[02:16] <G-Spot> ThomasM, good call. I didn't thing of checking the logs. First rule of a sys admin too.... doh!
[02:16] <LaserLine> gmjonker What do I need to do to see all my windows drives ? I have NTFS and FAT32 partitiones...
[02:17] <ThomasM> boogster: Thanks for the link.  What are the dates for UK's daylight savings?  I've been wondering about that lately, especially with the US legislating a change in dates.
[02:17] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: ahhh, it doesen't have a boot floppy, then I suspected right... we'll have to work with a Debian boot floppy
[02:17] <zoot_> bytter: know anyone with software raid experience here? though i think it's more subtle, as this install i'm NOT using raid
[02:17] <evian> LaserLine: man fstab
[02:17] <sean> aw well  I think i might just install  windows server on this computer instead :P  made the computer mite respond faster :P
[02:17] <LaserLine> gmjonker I thought AutoFS will do that for me...
[02:17] <shekhar> crimsun:  i think i had it working okay, the /afs directory was placed in my root directory, but i don't know how to mount the afs volume
[02:17] <Xenguy> haha
[02:17] <gmjonker> Laserline: edit your fstab file. I dont know about AutoFS, im quite a newbie myself.
[02:17] <bytter> zoot_, well.. i'm using software RAID right now...
[02:17] <boogster> ThomasM see here: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=136
[02:17] <zoot_> bytter: oh ;)
[02:17] <gnomefreak> razor-x: the only boot disk ive seen for ubuntu is the cd i dont ever remember hearing of anyone making a floppy
[02:17] <zoot_> bytter: how would _you_ delete the mbr of a disk?
[02:18] <bytter> zoot_, got three partitions in /dev/sda and /dev/sdb... partition sda2 and sdb2 make my /dev/md0
[02:18] <shekhar> crimsun:  i have also heard of something called arla...
[02:18] <ThomasM> G-Spot: When I did it, there were two entries both pilot-related.  I think it uses one for keepalive checks and one for data, but I'm not sure.  In any case, I think it worked using the first entry.
[02:18] <bytter> zoot_, but I have /boot on a non-raid partition
[02:18] <Razor-X> gnomefreak: that's what I thought... just been a while since i've helped out, Sophmore year is being a **** to me
[02:18] <gmjonker> Laserline: http://ubuntuguide.org tells you all these things.
[02:18] <ericl> How do you limit the amount of talk you see in chat?
[02:18] <Razor-X> ericl: think about the people who help in here :P
[02:18] <Trashcan> lol
[02:18] <bytter> zoot_, the dd should do it... either that or just fdisk the thing...
[02:18] <Razor-X> ericl: you learn to live with it/chat in it just fine
[02:18] <ThomasM> boogster: Good God, man.  Any other useful links for time zones you have squirreled away?
[02:18] <shekhar> cd -
[02:19] <gnomefreak> razor-x i know the feeling    now i dont know if someone has ever tried to make one but im sure somehow it can be done
[02:19] <zoot_> bytter: hmmmm... i've done this sort of thing on monster servers before with complicated setups, but this... very confusing
[02:19] <bytter> OsvaldoGago, tuga?
[02:19] <Razor-X> gnomefreak: well, if the Ubuntu boot-image is larger than the floppy size, it may be hard
[02:19] <zoot_> bytter: not ubuntu (slackware)
[02:20] <foxgamer> Anyone able to help with getting libtcl8.4.so.0 seen by a program?
[02:20] <Razor-X> ThomasM: I have ratpoison maximizing a Konsole screen with the menu and tab bars removed, and i've split the screen half-way, and one half contains this channel :P
[02:20] <gnomefreak> Razor-X, true
[02:20] <LaserLine> How can I find out on what /dev/hda are my windows partition (what do i have to type in terminal)
[02:20] <bytter> zoot_, ok... from the begging... u've tried fdisking it all, right? then boot Ubuntu Installation, go through the setup, then reach the cfdisk wizard...
[02:20] <bytter> zoot_, what's happening next?
[02:20] <SuseUX> foxgamer, yep
[02:20] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: you still here?
[02:20] <yeti-slayer> just installed ubuntu when i sudo -s i still have 0 perms for my hard drive help?
[02:20] <chjchjchj> raxor-x still here; trying to follow; did I miss something?
[02:20] <ThomasM> Razor-X: Heh. Mine's a putty window stretched full at 10-pt.
[02:20] <gmjonker> LaserLine: fdisk -l usually does it
[02:20] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: yeah, meh
[02:20] <zoot_> bytter: deleted all previous partitions, created different ones, anew, formatted and installed
[02:20] <shekhar> crimsun:  can you help?
[02:20] <chjchjchj> razor-x trying to follow with a tiny irc client...no disk space, see! No scrolling...aaargh
[02:21] <Razor-X> ThomasM: :P, I can provide a screenshot, if you want
[02:21] <foxgamer> SuseUX: I am trying to run a program that needs that file, but it says that it cannot find it.
[02:21] <bytter> zoot_, how many software raid did u created?
[02:21] <LaserLine> evian if it's fat32 I should use 'vfat' in the fstab file ?
[02:21] <crimsun> shekhar: sorry, was away taking care of MOTU stuff
[02:21] <zoot_> bytter: 6 partitions on each disk
[02:21] <bytter> zoot_, like, have you made /boot RAID?
[02:21] <boogster> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/jigit/
[02:21] <SuseUX> foxgamer, look in /usr/lib for libtcl8.4.so
[02:21] <zoot_> bytter: yes
[02:21] <ThomasM> LaserLine: I use fdisk's list mode.  'fdisk -l /dev/hdX' where X is a through b, to find out what partitions are available on what standard IDE drives.
[02:21] <zoot_> bytter: originally, but not this time
[02:21] <bytter> zoot_, and swap too?
[02:21] <ThomasM> Razor-X: Sure. 'S'always nice to see how someone else customizes their lives.
[02:21] <zoot_> bytter: no, not swap
[02:21] <evian> Laserline, yeah
[02:21] <SuseUX> foxgamer, actually in /lib
[02:21] <yeti-slayer> just installed ubuntu when i sudo -s i still have 0 perms for my hard drive help?
[02:22] <foxgamer> SuseUX: I have and it is there. I have also used ldconfig | grep libtcl and it is recognised.
[02:22] <shekhar> crimsun:  so i think i had it installed okay, the /afs directory was created in my root filesystem, but how do i mount an afs volume?
[02:22] <bytter> zoot_, oh, ok! swap doesn't need to be raided... I think youre problem must be with /boot being RAIDED
[02:22] <zucchi3> PLEASE HELP - I just downloaded the beta Firefox 1.5 for Linux. I am a newbie and have no clue what to do next. Do I extract it, or run it? How??
[02:22] <SuseUX> foxgamer, make a symlink to it
[02:22] <zucchi3> Please help
[02:22] <zoot_> bytter: want to install without raid onto one disk, them manually create later, as i did earlier today without problems
[02:22] <TiMiDo> zucchi3: ask
[02:22] <zucchi3> who?
[02:22] <foxgamer> SuseUX: Okaly. How do I do that?
[02:23] <LaserLine> Thanks !
[02:23] <TiMiDo> ask you're question zucchi3
[02:23] <zoot_> bytter: this _must_ have to do with the mbr's
[02:23] <fdr> ln -s /path/ symlinkname
[02:23] <SuseUX> foxgamer, ln -s libtcl8.4.so /lib/libtcl8.4.so.0
[02:23] <Rounin> zucchi3: If you're using Ubuntu, then try installing it via apt-get instead of downloading it
[02:23] <ThomasM> I know sudo can be told to allow commands.  Can you forbid it certian commands, as well?  I'd rather say what I don't want a user to do, than the other way around.
[02:23] <zoot_> bytter: i even nuked the partitions and mbr's using another rescue disk
[02:23] <TiMiDo> ThomasM: man chmod
[02:23] <boogster> UBUNTU http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily/20051013/
[02:23] <bytter> zoot_, I don't believe it's mbr related...
[02:23] <fdr> ThomasM, try visudo
[02:24] <ThomasM> fdr: I'm more asking what the syntax would be when using visudo.
[02:24] <fdr> as I recall, there is a permission scheme specifically for what can be sudo'd, so "man visudo"
[02:24] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: i'm going to propose one of those whacky ideas which are hit-or-miss, but may become useful for those people in bad condition :P
[02:24] <zoot_> bytter: any clue what else if i've nuked everything and started from scratch
[02:24] <SuseUX> foxgamer, assuming your in that directory
[02:24] <zucchi3> It's not there - so I downloaded it form the webstie- I downloaded Firefox and need to know how to get it up and running
[02:24] <keffynd> morning all
[02:24] <bytter> zoot_, actually... no :P
[02:24] <boogster> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily/20051013/ - is this the final?
[02:24] <Razor-X> ThomasM: http://www.sosdg.org/~razorx/ratpoison.png
[02:24] <kbrooks> ThomasM: visudo opens up a temp file
[02:24] <chjchjchj> razor-x ok...<grabs for the vodka>
[02:24] <TiMiDo> zucchi3: sudo apt-get install mozila-firefox
[02:24] <kbrooks> in $EDITOR
[02:25] <ThomasM> kbrooks: Yes. I know this.  Nevermind.
[02:25] <zoot_> bytter: thx for trying to help, it's 2:24am here ... need some zzzz now ;)
[02:25] <fdr> boogster, that's why we probably didn't jump up when you mentoined it :)
[02:25] <Razor-X> ThomasM: the background on the window is part of my Konsole theme only, only that little corner on the top-right of the screenshot is ratpoison :P
[02:25] <bytter> zoot_, np... 1h25 here :P
[02:25] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: can you free up more space for this project, first of all?
[02:25] <crimsun> shekhar: please see the openafs documentation. Apologies, but I have a call.
[02:25] <zoot_> bytter: cheers
[02:25] <bytter> zoot_, cheers and good luck
[02:25] <chjchjchj> razor-x remember current state is, if I boot I get the grub menu...and it just starts trying to set up...but gets jammed up. Prob needs repartitioning.
[02:25] <LaserLine> 2:25 here too...
[02:25] <shekhar> crimsun:  ok
[02:26] <fdr> Razor-X: a Trigun fan?
[02:26] <omp> hmm
[02:26] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: you have no other PC whatsoever?
[02:26] <Razor-X> fdr: anime in general, Trigun was pretty cool, and provides a nice Konsole background
[02:26] <chjchjchj> razor-x I could maybe get another 300mb if I try...not much more than that. Current free is 1gb. The HDD is 4.5, 98 is using 1Gb, which I am using for work...2K is using a little under 1Gb...and I dont dare delete that yet
[02:26] <ThomasM> kbrooks: I know this.  It opens up a temporary file that is written to /etc/sudoers when finished.  My question was: what's the syntax for disallowing certain commands, rather than listing all allowed commands.  Nevermind, though.  I'll figure it out myself, without saying the same thing a dozen times.
[02:26] <chjchjchj> razor-x sure I have lots of other PCs, all in the UK, and I am in Japan!
[02:26] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: ahh! meh
[02:27] <omp> so i'm confused now.. is breezy released yet or no?
[02:27] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: wow, tihs is a challenge... can you boot up windows, in any shape or form?
[02:27] <chjchjchj> raxor-x I could prob use a PC from a mate...but kinda would like to work out how to do this without
[02:27] <ThomasM> omp: Looks like they're running late.
[02:27] <chjchjchj> razor-x yes np am in win 98 right now
[02:27] <Razor-X> s/tihs/this/
[02:27] <foxgamer> SuseUX: It says that the file already exists. Shall I delete this file (or move it) and do it again?
[02:27] <omp> ThomasM: oh :(
[02:27] <chjchjchj> razor-x 98 and 2k both booting fine
[02:27] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: excellent </Mr. Burns>
[02:27] <chjchjchj> lol
[02:27] <SuseUX> foxgamer, what file?
[02:27] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: now, can you get dd for windows?
[02:28] <ThomasM> Razor-X: I like the style and the desktop manager.  Your font colors sure are hard to read, though.  White text on a sometimes almost-white background would drive me nuts.
[02:28] <bytter> "We are just starting to set the feature list for Dapper (6.04) ..." I heard they wanted to do  something with the boot times by changing the old sysv init scheme... anyone has a clue about it?
[02:28] <kbrooks> omp: what dont you like about gentoo
[02:28] <chjchjchj> dd? what does it do? I prob have an equiv
[02:28] <foxgamer> SuseUX: /lib/libtcl8.4.so.0
[02:28] <omp> kbrooks: the compiling gets annoying :p
[02:28] <ThomasM> chjchjchj: Reads and writes blocks directly from/to the device.
[02:28] <Razor-X> ThomasM: it does blend in and become hard to read, on occasion, that's why I put my IRC channel up-top and homework on bottom, when working on homework
[02:28] <kbrooks> omp: what do you mean?
[02:29] <chjchjchj> razor-x ok I will go get it...brb
[02:29] <ThomasM> Razor-X: Why not just go bright green active color, or tint the background?
[02:29] <SuseUX> foxgamer, then your program should find it
[02:29] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: it reads and writes (mostly) RAW to your device, I have found no Windows equivalent yet
[02:29] <willert> chjchjchj, Razor-X: http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ has dd for win32
[02:29] <ThomasM> Razor-X: Though, TBH, the all-grayscale thing looks pretty cool.
[02:29] <omp> kbrooks: when you download something in gentoo, it compiles it from source
[02:29] <Razor-X> ThomasM: because the contrast is _too_ great if you stare at the console for too long :P
[02:29] <omp> kbrooks: to get gnome installed it takes me about 8 hours
[02:29] <chjchjchj> razor-x ah, only linux then, so I cant run it...err...and I have to ask - why do you want to write direct? This machine boots fine into 98 and 2k...grub works fine...
[02:29] <fdr> omp: I thought there were binary packages as well, but given the culture of the whole thing I suppose reduces their prevalence
[02:29] <foxgamer> SuseUX: That's what I thought. I shall try renaming the old file and doing it again and then reboot. See if it picks up on it.
[02:29] <kbrooks> omp: that sucks
[02:30] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: there's a win32 port, as someone just pointed out above
[02:30] <ThomasM> Razor-X: You do your homework in tex? Nice.
[02:30] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: if you can grab that, i'm going to try and propose a crazy idea
[02:30] <Razor-X> ThomasM: yeahp, Open Office is up only because I was typing up a poster of sorts
[02:30] <chjchjchj> razor-x...ok...will get it...will shout when back
[02:30] <fdr> ThomasM: May I suggest getting started with LyX?
[02:30] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: mmmkay, give me a PM when you get back, if i'm not readily responding :P
[02:30] <SuseUX> foxgamer, you could try symlinking it to /usr/lib
[02:30] <zucchi3> what's apt-get??????
[02:30] <ThomasM> fdr: Hrm?
[02:31] <Razor-X> ThomasM: don't go along with LaTeX if you aren't in-style with it, start with ConTex
[02:31] <foxgamer> SuseUX: Okay. Thank you. I'll give that a try first.
[02:31] <ThomasM> fdr: Is it a simple set or something?
[02:31] <Razor-X> ThomasM: s/ex/eX/
[02:31] <NoUse> !apt-get
[02:31] <ubotu> I guess apt-get is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[02:31] <fdr> ThomasM: A "WYSIWYM" editor for TeX of the La variety.
[02:31] <Razor-X> ThomasM: LyX is a semi-graphical attempt at LaTeX
[02:31] <LaserLine> Where are all the .desktop files in Ubuntu (GNOME) ? where are they stored ?
[02:31] <being> I believe it is a program for getting an application
[02:31] <ThomasM> I'm more interested in using it from code than actually working in it regularly.
[02:31] <fdr> ThomasM: At least you can export it as TeX to get some working examples.
[02:31] <mustard5> LaserLine, in home folder
[02:32] <keffynd> anyone here have experience with TV tuners? USB and internal?
[02:32] <LaserLine> Where in Home folder?
[02:32] <chjchjchj> razor-x bak have dd for win...please try not to make this thing unbootable
[02:32] <ThomasM> Razor-X: TeX can do graphics, yes?
[02:32] <mustard5> hidden files
[02:32] <NoUse> keffynd I have a bit of experience
[02:32] <ThomasM> Razor-X: And multiple columns or text groups?
[02:32] <Razor-X> I have to say, excluding the few bumps I started out with, it's pretty nice
[02:32] <Razor-X> ThomasM: yeah, it can
[02:32] <Trashcan> laserline: .xxx files are hidden
[02:32] <fdr> Well, TeX is used for just about every technical publication, so it better ;)
[02:32] <ThomasM> Razor-X: Is there a way to discover from code (say perl or C) how large a certain text/graphic area is, if allowed to expand horizontally or vertically to fit the contents?
[02:32] <LaserLine> I know it's hidden..
[02:32] <mustard5> LaserLine, select 'Show hidden files' in nautilus
[02:32] <LaserLine> in what dir in home ?
[02:33] <mustard5> in your user directory
[02:33] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: i'm going to give you three floppy images, I want you to pastebin the contents of all three for me, and i'll judge if my idea is correct
[02:33] <ThomasM> Razor-X: I'm talking about automatic laying-out of things like newspapers (to use a simple example), where the program needs to be able to discover how much space is remaining to choose the next page element.
[02:33] <skep> or press Strg+H
[02:33] <SuseUX> LaserLine, you dont mean hidden do you?, you mean the file extension .desktop?
[02:33] <chjchjchj> razor-x ok
[02:33] <t3c0> d
[02:33] <Razor-X> ThomasM: there are complex LaTeX ways, actually
[02:34] <bytefoo> anyone know why ubuntu would lock up after being on but unattended for a few hours
[02:34] <LaserLine> SuseUX I mean the files that you creat, edit etc, to see an Icon in the 'Application' Menu, on the Desktop, on the panel... etc...
[02:34] <Razor-X> ThomasM: check out ``LaTeX: A Document Preperation System'' by Lamport
[02:34] <mustard5> bytefoo, power management problem?
[02:34] <miksu> +
[02:34] <chjchjchj> razor-x currently here is 4 partitons, 1 is win32 running 98, 2 is ntfs/2k, 3 & 4 are the attempted install (can be wiped)
[02:34] <ThomasM> Razor-X: Cool. Thank you, kindly.
[02:34] <weob> hey
[02:34] <hyphenated> mmm, LaTeX makes for some gorgeous documents
[02:34] <weob> anyone got 3d working on breezy ?
[02:34] <weob> nvidia
[02:34] <Razor-X> hyphenated: very :P
[02:34] <bytefoo> why would they change power management from hoary to breezy though?
[02:34] <SuseUX> LaserLine, thants what I thought, they seem to be somewhere else in ubuntu
[02:35] <weob> i tried using the nvidia install package and it wont do it
[02:35] <weob> i have kernel headers  -
[02:35] <weob> it fails to load the .ko file
[02:35] <budluva> anyone know where i can find firestarter for breezy? is it in the universe repo?
[02:35] <d3vice> weob, maybe breezy has a package with nvidia drivers
[02:35] <weob> i tried it
[02:35] <chjchjchj> razor-x I *could* wipe 2k and give >2gb to the install...but reluctant to ditch a working os
[02:35] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current//images/floppy/boot.img and http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current//images/floppy/root.img
[02:35] <weob> it doesnt enable 3d
[02:35] <budluva> and how safe is it to use the breezy universe repo?
[02:35] <fryfrog> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade when using breezy badger should get final when released, right?
[02:35] <d3vice> weob, weird
[02:35] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: I won't need 2 GB, more likely 3 MB :P
[02:35] <bytefoo> super safe :/
[02:35] <bytefoo> it comes out tomorrow :O
[02:35] <chjchjchj> razor-x received...am grabbing them...give me a min (of ignoring this chat)
[02:36] <LaserLine> SuseUX yeah, I can't find them, and when you install Kubuntu you get filled with Icons in the Application Menu and in System menu...
[02:36] <Razor-X> Razor-X: or, plan B, 700 MB
[02:36] <caustictwin> anyone know a good ftp client with ssl/tls support?
[02:36] <fdr> weob: did you notice the thing in the package description that says you need to type some command for it to edit your x.conf?
[02:36] <SuseUX> weo, did you follow the nvidia howto ubuntu guide?
[02:36] <bytefoo> doesnt gftp do ssl/tls
[02:36] <Razor-X> ThomasM: you read my homework didn't you? :P
[02:36] <d3vice> fdr :)
[02:36] <BlueMat> whens breezy stable?
[02:36] <weob> yes it doesnt work on mine
[02:36] <caustictwin> bytefoo: I don't think so...
[02:36] <bytefoo> BlueMat, tomorrow. :|
[02:36] <ThomasM> Razor-X: Not really.  Just the markup, until I figured out what I was looking at.
[02:36] <Rounin> Even though it is tomorrow now?
[02:36] <BlueMat> bytefoo, YAYYY!!!
[02:36] <SuseUX> weo, what have you done when installing the nvidia package?
[02:36] <mustard5> fryfrog, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:36] <Bergcube> It says on the fridge it's released now......  Confusing.
[02:36] <weob> aha - but there is an update to download - hopefully it fixes it
[02:37] <fdr> d3vice: eh? what's up?
[02:37] <Razor-X> ThomasM: ahhh, ok, I designed it to be that way (although I know some who read it :P)
[02:37] <ScatterBrain> Is there a way to "upgrade" to Breezy from the ISO image?
[02:37] <BlueMat> tomorrow as in friday?
[02:37] <weob> i told it to try to compile it
[02:37] <ScatterBrain> IE Hoary --> Breezy
[02:37] <d3vice> fdr i was just thinking about some command for it to edit your x.conf too...
[02:37] <weob> it failed
[02:37] <t3c0> ScatterBrain, id LOVE to know that too
[02:37] <SuseUX> weo, the one from nvidia.com?
[02:37] <weob> complained about not being compiled with the proper gcc version
[02:37] <weob> yes
[02:37] <SuseUX> ahhh
[02:37] <mustard5> fryfrog, plus changing your sources.list
[02:37] <SuseUX> ok
[02:38] <ScatterBrain> I know that I could do the "apt-get upgrade" thingy, but It would *SO* cool to just a CD in and go.
[02:38] <chjchjchj> razor-x ok I have the 2 img files
[02:38] <weob> i have kubuntu on my hdd waiting to be burnt - very tempted to try it out
[02:38] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: can you inflate the contents of the two images, and paste the filenames into pastebin?
[02:38] <weob> i like kde moreso than gnome
[02:38] <chjchjchj> razor-x btw I have the iso of the ubuntu install, still, you know?
[02:38] <SuseUX> weo, run CC=gcc-3.4
[02:38] <weob> i did that
[02:38] <weob> it resulted inthe same error
[02:38] <chjchjchj> razor-x sorry wtf is pastebin?
[02:38] <Razor-X> weob: Kubuntu is awesome, I don't use KDE anymore, but I use many of the utilities, because they work excellent even without KDE
[02:38] <drummer87> where's my breezy!!!
[02:38] <zucchi3> I understand how to use apt get but I can't find firefox 1.5 - where is it???
[02:39] <weob> lol
[02:39] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: oh cool, then that simples things up some
[02:39] <axeus> It says I have 451 updates... I'm afraid to update any of them.
[02:39] <SuseUX> weo, still saying gcc error?
[02:39] <Rounin> apt-get install firefox or apt-get install mozilla-firefox ?
[02:39] <fdr> zucchi3: I do not think it is in the default selection of repositories
[02:39] <weob> yes
[02:39] <mustard5> !tell chjchjchj about pastebin
[02:39] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: www.pastebin.com
[02:39] <Razor-X> meh
[02:39] <zucchi3> how do i find it
[02:39] <SuseUX> weo, CC=gcc-3.4 and export CC
[02:39] <weob> i even tried CC=gcc-4.0.2 and didnt work - i dunno what to do
[02:39] <SuseUX> ?
[02:39] <weob> yes i tried that
[02:39] <bytefoo> i dont think they put firefox 1.5 in since its a beta?
[02:39] <Razor-X> weob: I use ratpoison actually, a very nice WM in many respects
[02:39] <zucchi3> yeah
[02:40] <weob> ok ill check it out
[02:40] <tiax> well
[02:40] <fdr> zucchi3: You'd have to probably download the binary or sources from the firefox site and perform the necessary steps to install them.
[02:40] <SuseUX> weo, just ignor it then
[02:40] <bytefoo> yes, probably the saem for deerpark too
[02:40] <weob> ignore it?
[02:40] <zucchi3> It's on their website though - can I download it from there - and how?
[02:40] <bytefoo> what a horrendous name by the way :/
[02:40] <NoUse> zucchi3 unless you have a really good reason to use firefox beta stick the version in apt-get
[02:40] <weob> i want 3d so i can play wow damn it ! haah
[02:40] <SuseUX> weo, yes you can bypass it, just by saying NO
[02:40] <weob> bypass what?
[02:41] <SuseUX> the gcc error message
[02:41] <weob> no i did that
[02:41] <rizla> hi
[02:41] <SuseUX> weo, ok, Did you install the nvidia-glx package first?
[02:41] <weob> there are new updates so im gonna reboot and see what happens after the updates are finished and maybe try installing again\
[02:41] <weob> yes
[02:41] <weob> but for 3d they dont do it
[02:41] <SuseUX> ok
[02:41] <rizla> how can i set my pc ip?
[02:41] <chjchjchj> razor-x am working...getting a .img extractor etc...brb
[02:42] <SuseUX> weo, what card?
[02:42] <weob> i uninstall them when i try to install nvidia's
[02:42] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: cool
[02:42] <weob> 6800 ultra
[02:42] <mustard5> ScatterBrain, there is a way
[02:42] <SuseUX> weo, they uninstall both packages?
[02:42] <SuseUX> weob, you uninstall both packages?
[02:42] <weob> what both packages?
[02:42] <weob> nvidia-glx ?
[02:42] <weob> i thought that was the only one
[02:42] <ScatterBrain> mustard5: Please enlighten us.
[02:42] <SuseUX> the nvidia-glx and common
[02:43] <weob> oh and common
[02:43] <weob> otherwise that might cause the error?
[02:43] <mustard5> I thought it would work the way it explains on the wiki
[02:43] <SuseUX> maybe but you need to make sure the nvidia module it unloaded
[02:43] <ScatterBrain> !wiki
[02:43] <mustard5> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[02:43] <weob> yes
[02:43] <SuseUX> is*
[02:43] <mustard5> the first paragraph talks about installing from CD and synaptic
[02:43] <weob> k gonna reboot and try that - thanks
[02:44] <SuseUX> lsmod shouldn't show nvidia
[02:44] <weob> will let you know if it works
[02:44] <SuseUX> webono reboot
[02:44] <SuseUX> no
[02:44] <adil> hi
[02:44] <weob> no reboot needed after update ?
[02:44] <budluva> how safe is the universe repo in breezy?
[02:44] <SuseUX> weob, rebooting dont do anything
[02:44] <weob> haha ok
[02:44] <SuseUX> not Windows
[02:44] <mustard5> budluva, safe is a relative word
[02:44] <weob> well that's all ive been used to
[02:44] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: again, PM me if I don't respond immediately, because i'm also surfing the web
[02:45] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: plus, I can't stay _too_ much longer, I have the PSAT to study for
[02:45] <SuseUX> weob, you only need to reboot after installing a new kernel, thats all
[02:45] <weob> oh ok cool
[02:45] <tristanmike> weob, generally a reboot should only be needed when dealing with kernel upgrades, but software and updates, nah, don't need it
[02:45] <weob> have you ever tried suspend to ram - is it very stable or you dont recommend with a beta release ?
[02:45] <fryfrog> so i have double clicked on a desktop applet and it makes my mouse pointer into a little fist and... for the life of me, i can't figure out what its supposed to do or how to turn it *off* (the keyboard still behaves as normal)
[02:46] <foxgamer> SuseUX: I have managed to get it reading the file, but now I get 'cannot open share object file: error 40'
[02:46] <Razor-X> fryfrog: what applet?
[02:46] <axeus> weob: I'm sure it works just fine.
[02:46] <weob> my kernel has been updated though so i will need to reboot :D
[02:46] <fryfrog> i think it was on the cpu freq scale applet
[02:46] <SuseUX> foxgamer, thats too bad :-)
[02:46] <fryfrog> though i was hoping it would let me drag it arround to re arrange
[02:46] <axeus> weob: I don't use it though... I use Suspend to Drive
[02:46] <foxgamer> hehe
[02:47] <fryfrog> i just can't find any way of getting out of what ever mode it is in, mainly cause i dunno what its doing!
[02:47] <weob> still faster bootup?
[02:47] <SuseUX> weob, make sure you do "sudo rmmod nvidia" and then run the nvidia driver script
[02:48] <weob> ok
[02:48] <chjchjchj> razor-x ok duly unimg'd and pastebin'd <you learn something new every day>  posted by zzz
[02:48] <SuseUX> that is the couse of why it says cannot load nvidia.ko
[02:48] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: can you get me an exact link though?
[02:49] <chjchjchj> razor-x 391796
[02:49] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: not number, but URL :P
[02:49] <miksu> i have a very bad feeling. all the years with struggling
[02:49] <chjchjchj> razor-x http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=391796
[02:49] <miksu> with windows and now everything works
[02:49] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: thanks much
[02:49] <neoliminal> can someone point me to a wiki or tell me how to configure/start zope in ubuntu?
[02:50] <miksu> this is strange
[02:50] <mustard5> fryfrog, restart gnome-applets?
[02:50] <N17R0> how can I make a startmenu shortcut to make "/etc/init.d/proftpd start" execute?
[02:50] <fryfrog> i'll just restart X when synaptic is done :)
[02:51] <mustard5> hehehe
[02:51] <fryfrog> just wondering if anyone knew what that little fistie guy was
[02:51] <chjchjchj> can't wait to get this thing installed so I can use a decent IRC client and actually see wtf is going on :-)
[02:51] <mustard5> that'll do it :D
[02:51] <fryfrog> new kernel got cpu scaling to work, but broke boot splash prettyness :(
[02:51] <Rounin> Hm... I'm unable to compile anything because /lib/cpp fails sanity check and I lack i-486-linux-lots-of-stuff... How do I fix that?
[02:51] <Rounin> I've installed everything I could think of
[02:51] <SuseUX> Ronald, install gcc
[02:52] <mustard5> Rounin, build-essential ?
[02:52] <Rounin> I have gcc....
[02:52] <Rounin> Oh, thanks... I was hoping there'd be such a package
[02:52] <shekhar> greetings, can anyone help me out with openafs and kerberos?
[02:52] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: can you try using loadlin on the ``linux'' kernel of the first boot-image?
[02:53] <chjchjchj> razor-x sure, and do what else when I get there? initrd?
[02:53] <gleesond> I'm having trouble making a makefile
[02:53] <mustard5> what are you installing gleesond ?
[02:54] <gleesond> MPlayer
[02:54] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: yeah, put it into /dev/ram, and also specify the initrd
[02:54] <mustard5> isnt that available through synaptic?
[02:54] <bytter> ok.. anyone got a clue why the hell I can't access my ntfs partition without being root?
[02:54] <Razor-X> gleesond: you're getting it from CVS?
[02:55] <bytter> BUT I can access a FAT32 partition :P
[02:55] <gleesond> I don't know what synaptic is.... does it  always come with the codecs
[02:55] <chjchjchj> razor-x which initrd?
[02:55] <Razor-X> bytter: try ``sudo mount /dev/ntfs/partition /mnt/mount/point -t ntfs -o umask=0222''
[02:55] <rob_p> N17R0:  Did you figure it out yet?
[02:55] <gleesond> I got it off their website
[02:55] <mustard5> I can show you how to get codecs and install via synatpic
[02:55] <NoUse> !ntfs
[02:55] <ubotu> [ntfs]  the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP.  To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab . It handles HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions.
[02:55] <ThomasM> bytter: I remember hitting that barrier and fixing it, but not how.  It had to do with setting read and write bits in the mount command, like Razor-X just pointed out.
[02:55] <bytter> hmmm
[02:55] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: initrd.gz
[02:55] <mustard5> use synaptic instead
[02:55] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: if the initrd doesen't work, try unzipping the gz file
[02:55] <Karasu> Hi all
[02:55] <VoX> when is libdrm going to be put back in to breezy?
[02:55] <bytter> ThomasM, Razor-X: Can I put that umask in /etc/fstab?
[02:56] <mustard5> !tell gleesond about restricted formats
[02:56] <ThomasM> bytter: Yep. That's a standard mount option.
[02:56] <Karasu> anyone knows when 5.10 will be final?
[02:56] <sector10> is there simple home networking in ubuntu, like between 2 ubuntu boxes?
[02:56] <chjchjchj> razor-x np; the initrd from the root img yeah?
[02:56] <Razor-X> bytter: yeah, you sohuld be able to
[02:56] <joe__> i need a repository that can help me get this package E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-lame
[02:56] <ThomasM> bytter: After 'noauto' or whahatever, just type ',umask=0222'.
[02:56] <mustard5> !tell gleeson about synaptic
[02:56] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: yeah, same with the root.img's ``linux''
[02:56] <ThomasM> !fstab
[02:56] <ubotu> ThomasM: What?
[02:56] <bytter> ThomasM, Razor-X: ok, testing...
[02:57] <mustard5> gleeson..ubotu should have some answers for you
[02:57] <Razor-X> gleesond: you can install mplayer with synaptic/apt-get/aptitude, or compile it yourself
[02:57] <gleesond> I know about ristricted formats thats why I;m trying to install MPlayer from sorce code
[02:57] <ThomasM> bytter: It'd probably read something like "ro,umask=0222" in column 4 (options) of /etc/fstab.
[02:57] <Razor-X> gleesond: win32codecs is a package in the universe repository that contains the codecs
[02:57] <Razor-X> gleesond: errr w32codecs
[02:57] <mustard5> the instructions for getting win32codecs is there
[02:57] <gleesond> but when I sudo ./make
[02:57] <bytter> ThomasM, sweet! it worked :P thx guys!
[02:57] <N17R0> rob_p: No I did not yet figure it out
[02:57] <gleesond> it doesn't work
[02:58] <foxgamer> SuseUX: So any ideas where I can go from here?
[02:58] <ThomasM> gleesond: There are also repositories that contain mplayer for debian/ubuntu with all options compiled in.
[02:58] <Razor-X> gleesond: how doesen't it work?
[02:58] <joe__> can anyone help?
[02:58] <Razor-X> ThomasM: hmm, there are? I compiled it myself with a few extra features and codecs
[02:58] <gleesond> command not found
[02:58] <chjchjchj> razor-x; not enough memory thru the shell; I can boot to dos and do it; any other instructions when I get there?
[02:58] <bytter> what are the mask for read-write?
[02:58] <SuseUX> foxgamer, not sure
[02:58] <mustard5> gleesond, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:58] <bytter> *is*
[02:58] <ThomasM> gleesond: It's not recommended, as installing from outside repositories can conflict with in-repositories, but you'll find more data at http://debian.video.free.fr/
[02:58] <bytter> 0333?
[02:59] <bytter> (fat32.. ntfs is compiled without write support)
[02:59] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: only that you should try and copy initrd.gz and inflate it, in case loadlin can't read compressed ``initrd'' files
[02:59] <ThomasM> Razor-X: See that link I just posted.  I've installed mplayer on Debian Sarge/Sid and Ubuntu Hoary using that repository.
[02:59] <foxgamer> SuseUX: Okay. Thanks for your help though. I'll have a look/ask around and see if I can solve it
[02:59] <Razor-X> bytter: the umask is the opposite of the chmod user-bit
[02:59] <SuseUX> np
[02:59] <joe__> SuseUX, i am having a hard time with multimedia codecs, i can't get this install to happen E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-lame
[02:59] <joe__> , i've already set up my repositories and backports but i still can't get the file
[02:59] <bytter> Razor-X, oh... so for 111 is 000?
[02:59] <chjchjchj> razor-x the gz'd initrd will work - the ubunto one did...but where will I get to when I run it?
[03:00] <miksu> http://www.di.fm/                            declared by miksu with my recommend for the online party channel - try out vocal trance, no playing la luna-fallin
[03:00] <Razor-X> bytter: not really, 000 is 777
[03:00] <joe__> does any one have a good repository for this?
[03:00] <ThomasM> Razor-X,gleesond: You'll probably want to use the 'sid' repositories.
[03:00] <VoX> when is libdrm going to be put back in to breezy?
[03:00] <bytter> Razor-X, 777 is 111 111 111 :P I was thinking in bits :P
[03:00] <mustard5> you on breezy, joe__ ?
[03:00] <joe__> no hoary
[03:00] <mustard5> k
[03:00] <mustard5> did you add marillat repo?
[03:00] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: well, it should ask you for another floppy, and if you can, try and provide the location of boot.img
[03:01] <eyequeue> um, expecting changes to breezy at this hour?
[03:01] <joe__> no
[03:01] <joe__> give me uri?
[03:01] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: if the installer starts, tell me, if it can't find the file, tell me, if it doesen't load, tell me :P
[03:01] <mustard5> did you follow the instructions?
[03:01] <Razor-X> bytter: I understood :P
[03:01] <joe__> yes
[03:01] <SuseUX> seems some updated will not download
[03:01] <chjchjchj> razor-x; ok wilco...bbl
[03:01] <joe__> i went thru the adding repos in unoffical
[03:01] <rob_p> N17R0:  Right-click on the taskbar and select, "Add to Panel."  Then select, "Custom Application Launcher."
[03:01] <ThomasM> joe__: http://debian.video.free.fr/
[03:01] <SuseUX> updates*
[03:01] <mustard5> the instructions show you how to add marillat
[03:01] <zucchi3> I get this message anytime I try to install a program using apt-get  ---  E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied )
[03:01] <zucchi3> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[03:02] <joe__> <deb http://debian.video.free.fr> ?
[03:02] <eyequeue> zucchi3:  are you running as root/sudo?
[03:02] <mustard5> you have synaptic open zucchi3 ?
[03:02] <ThomasM> zucchi3: Required root priv's.
[03:02] <tristanmike> zucchi3, do you have synaptic?
[03:02] <gleesond> I don't understand how to acsess the outside repositorys
[03:02] <jrattner1> gleesond, synaptic or apt-get
[03:02] <zucchi3> ?? I have synaptic, but it's not open
[03:02] <occy> Welp, I reckon it'll be here when I wake up.
[03:02] <occy> later gang
[03:02] <mustard5> run the command as sudo then
[03:02] <tristanmike> curses mustard5! :P
[03:02] <N17R0> rob_p: I know how to add a launcher, but I need the correct parameters or command to put, so proftpd is executed
[03:03] <gleesond> does synaptic have MPlayer?
[03:03] <eyequeue> zucchi3:  what is the commandline you ran?
[03:03] <mustard5> what did I do? :)
[03:03] <jrattner1> gleesond, yes
[03:03] <rob_p> N17R0:  For the command field, put, "sudo /etc/init.d/proftpd start".
[03:03] <gleesond> thats the one I dont understanf
[03:03] <gleesond> understand
[03:03] <zucchi3> apt-get install torcs
[03:03] <jrattner1> gleesond, synaptic is under system menu in KDE and gnome
[03:03] <rob_p> N17R0:  ...or whatever works at the command prompt.
[03:03] <eyequeue> zucchi3:  sudo apt-get install torcs
[03:03] <ThomasM> gleesond: It will after you add the proper repositories.
[03:03] <N17R0> rob_p: I have now this command, it seems to work: sudo urxvt -e /etc/init.d/proftpd stop
[03:03] <ScatterBrain> Is Breezy's offical backports up and running yet?
[03:04] <mustard5> ScatterBrain, not that I know of
[03:04] <rob_p> N17R0:  Then put that command in...
[03:04] <joe__> ThomasM, can i get thru apt-get? or dl and unpackage it?
[03:04] <Razor-X> N17R0: .... can't you just use sudo /etc/init.d/proftpd stop ?
[03:04] <ScatterBrain> mustard5: Hmmm.  Wonder how much borkage that's gonna cause.
[03:04] <zucchi3> I git it thanks!
[03:04] <ThomasM> joe__: You just have to add lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list and then 'apt-get update'.  You'll want to 'apt-cache search mplayer' to then see what's available, or just use synaptic.
[03:05] <N17R0> rob_p: hmm I tryed "sudo /etc/init.d/proftpd start"  but once the sudo timer is expiered, then that command wont work anymore
[03:05] <rob_p> N17R0:  as Razor-X said, /etc/init.d/proftpd stop should work.
[03:05] <ThomasM> There's also a good guide for installing mplayer on Debian Etch at http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer.html which should be very similar, if not the same, in Ubuntu Hoary and Breezy.
[03:05] <joe__> ThomasM, i added that line to my sources.list but i get a "list of sources could not be read"
[03:05] <ThomasM> That guide is for installing from source.
[03:05] <Razor-X> N17R0: sudo -s then
[03:05] <ThomasM> joe__: Sounds like you mal-formed your sources.list.  Want to paste it in the pastebin?
[03:05] <willert> Finally some words from one of the bigwigs (Kamion in -devel):  fridge has an interesting idea of when the release is - interesting but wrong (time-wise - it's right date-wise)
[03:06] <ThomasM> !tell joe__ about pastebin
[03:06] <jrattner1> is breezy getting released at 12?
[03:06] <willert> Sounds like I'll be getting some sleep before the actual release :(
[03:06] <rob_p> N17R0:  Then add, "your_username     ALL= NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/proftpd" to your /etc/sudoers file...
[03:06] <ThomasM> jrattner1: Should have been released a little over an hour ago.  No news yet, then?
[03:06] <Razor-X> ThomasM: can you leave a message for me for chjchjchj?
[03:07] <N17R0> rob_p: thx I will try that
[03:07] <ThomasM> Razor-X: Hrm?
[03:07] <Hans> damn:
[03:07] <Hans> Ubuntu 5.10 Final Release
[03:07] <Hans> Start: 2005-10-13 00:00
[03:07] <Hans> End: 2005-10-13 23:59
[03:07] <Razor-X> ThomasM: when he returns on the channel, can you tell him that ``i'm studying for my PSAT, so if you could contact me tomorrow with the results, then that would be great''
[03:07] <ThomasM> Razor-X: I guess so.  I can't guarantee I'll be on much longer myself.  Doesn't NICKSERV send messages?
[03:07] <Hans> so it can take 24 hours
[03:07] <jrattner1> ThomasM, its not getting released till the 13th
[03:07] <Hans> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/5
[03:07] <Razor-X> ThomasM: does it?
[03:07] <eyequeue> fridge node 5 has been changed!
[03:07] <ThomasM> jrattner1: GMT it's currently the 13th.
[03:08] <eyequeue> Thu Oct 13 01:08:10 UTC 2005
[03:08] <gleesond> how do I install the universal repository that has the codecs?
[03:08] <resetu> hello
[03:08] <joe__> ThomasM, ok i sent it
[03:08] <jrattner1> ThomasM, interesting i didnt think bout that
[03:08] <ThomasM> joe__: Did it give you a link to hand out?
[03:08] <joe__> no i'm sorry
[03:08] <joe__> ehe
[03:08] <eyequeue> ubotu:  tell gleesond about repos
[03:09] <joe__> ThomasM, ok i sent it http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3031
[03:09] <Razor-X> ThomasM: hmm, as far as I can see, NickServ won't send messages
[03:09] <dreifinger> Where is the Final!! ??
[03:09] <XTR-II> :(
[03:09] <resetu> anybody can tell me,where is this bbs
[03:09] <chjchjchj> razor-x ok, it asked for country and locale, then sugg I needed to load drivers from a floppy, but wanted a real floppy not an image, so I had to cancel that, and it gave me the main debian install menu. I chose abort.
[03:09] <crimsun> see the topic, dreifinger
[03:09] <eyequeue> Razor-X:, ThomasM: /msg MemoServ help
[03:09] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: ooh, excellent, we're getting somethere :P
[03:09] <Razor-X> eyequeue: ahhh, MemoServ :P
[03:09] <DShepherd> what time zone is Ubuntu in
[03:09] <ThomasM> eyequeue: Ah. Thank you.
[03:10] <Hans> DShepherd: GMT
[03:10] <eyequeue> no prob gentlemen
[03:10] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: s/somethere/somewhere/
[03:10] <Hans> it can take 21 hours to complete full releases
[03:10] <erick> Hi guys
[03:10] <joe__> hi
[03:10] <resetu> what is the difference between debian and ubuntu
[03:10] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: can you feed it a partition?
[03:10] <chjchjchj> razor-x; yeah...somethere would be nice tho ;-)
[03:10] <Spitty> hey everyone
[03:10] <joe__> hi
[03:10] <Hans> check http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/5
[03:10] <DShepherd> Hans: Great. So by 12:01 the brown sugar should be here..right :)?
[03:10] <ScatterBrain> ! BreezyUpgrade
[03:10] <ubotu> ScatterBrain: I give up, what is it?
[03:10] <Hans> lol DShepherd
[03:10] <miksu> wow real good trance
[03:10] <eyequeue> resetu:  different goals, different organizations, a few
[03:10] <Hans> I'm waiting too :S
[03:10] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: getting the gist of my idea?
[03:11] <windex> im waiting to see how broken my tablet pc will be when i upgrade
[03:11] <joe__> ThomasM, did you get that link?
[03:11] <eyequeue> resetu:  ubuntu has a 6-month release cycle
[03:11] <Rounin> Hey, I just built a bunch of .deb packages, but how do I install them?
[03:11] <eyequeue> Rounin:  dpkg -i *.deb
[03:11] <ThomasM> joe__: Sorry. A lot clamoring for my attention. Looking at it now.
[03:11] <mustard5> joe__, I had a look at it. You haven't added the marillat repo yet
[03:11] <chjchjchj> razor-x...kinda...I could try to proceed with the install...but dunno if it has drivers it needs...I guess, what, you want to get base debian running first?
[03:11] <erick> try this dpkg -i <packages name>
[03:11] <DShepherd> Hans: I think I shaking....I cant go on ,...need new ubuntu..needd U..B.....(fades)
[03:11] <jrattner1> Hans, im waiting too, im excited i cant wait for kbluetooth : ) and the new wireless network tools
[03:11] <resetu> thanks ,can you tell me which is a little for a new linuxer
[03:11] <Rounin> Thanks eyequeue... Will this make apt-get aware of them as well though?
[03:11] <eyequeue> Rounin:  sudo of course
[03:11] <joe__> mustard5, how do i do that?
[03:11] <ThomasM> joe__: You started to add it, but didn't add enough.  That last line doesn't contain enough information/
[03:12] <resetu> i have tried many versions, ubuntu is not bad
[03:12] <eyequeue> Rounin:  after they are --install'ed, apt dpkg synaptic aptitude, all will be aware of them
[03:12] <Rounin> Thanks a lot eyequeue
[03:12] <MrGnash> I know this is an improper question, but does anyone know roughly how long until Breezy will be available from the website?
[03:12] <ThomasM> joe__: Rather than the 'debian.video' stuff at the bottom, you need to have 'deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main'
[03:12] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: here's my idea: you use loadlin to boot the boot.bin kernel, but before that, create a partition with only free space, write the floppy image of root.bin to the new partition using dd, then specify this partition to the Debian installer
[03:12] <arghetlam> Resetu - I concur, even though I've never run any Linux build in my life. . .
[03:13] <ThomasM> joe__: If you have any problems with that, replace 'etch' with 'sid'.  I think Ubuntu's based off of sid, so that might be the best route.
[03:13] <sector10> where do i add my windows partition? is it mnt?
[03:13] <joe__> ThomasM, thanks
[03:13] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: after that, you can get a very basic Debian netinstall going. Go along with the steps to get a basic Debian netinstall finished. Then, boot Debian, edit the sources.list for Ubuntu sources instead, and then simply apt-get the new stuff, and you'll have an Ubuntu box :P
[03:13] <mustard5> etch is good
[03:13] <resetu> oh, where are you
[03:13] <axeus> Crap.... what's that Nintento emulator ... err
[03:13] <axeus> I forgot the name.
[03:13] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: like I said, it's a totall untested/improvised idea
[03:13] <SuseUX> sector10, anywhere you want
[03:13] <axeus> Nes
[03:13] <Razor-X> s/totall/totally/
[03:13] <axeus> NesZ orsomething...
[03:13] <adil> hello
[03:13] <axeus> NeZs.. i dunno
[03:14] <ThomasM> axeus: zsnes?
[03:14] <arghetlam> Axeus - Nesten? Nesticle?
[03:14] <axeus> Yes! Thanks. :)
[03:14] <chjchjchj> razor-x; sounds like a plan, yeah. will go play with partitions...given current parts, do you suggest I wipe and re-create the big ext3 part?
[03:14] <ThomasM> axeus: Or snes?
[03:14] <resetu> i can not unstandstand you the last word
[03:14] <axeus> zsnes
[03:14] <sector10> SuseUX: sure but you can break things that way
[03:14] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: nope, just create a partition as big as a normal floppy would be (1.44 MB), and write root.img using dd
[03:14] <Razor-X> chjchjchj: I may not be in, because i'm studying for my PSAT, if i'm not, either PM, leave a message with MemoServ, or both :P
[03:14] <SuseUX> sector10, says who?
[03:15] <joe__> ThomasM, ok i did taht both ways but it says i need a public key?
[03:15] <arghetlam> Hey, I hate to sound like a n00b, but can someone help me with the command to run a shell script?
[03:15] <sector10> SuseUX: if you add it to /home/user try it..
[03:15] <ThomasM> Razor-X: You can also use 'debootstrap', but that's a bit more complicated.  Fun, though.  It's nice to design your fully working system without booting to it, and then the go through the joy of a moment-of-truth boot.
[03:15] <chjchjchj> razor-x ok, I get the idea. will let you know. cheers again, happy studies
[03:15] <resetu> are you busy,
[03:15] <sector10> SuseUX: under disk utility in system you will lose sudo
[03:16] <SuseUX> sector10, I was thinking anywhere in the/ tree
[03:16] <mustard5> arghetlam, ./<shellscriptname>
[03:16] <yes> can i use debian repos for ubuntu?
[03:16] <arghetlam> Thanks.
[03:16] <resetu> ok, thanks, 88
[03:16] <ThomasM> yes: Sort of.  Rather unwise, at times.
[03:16] <tristanmike> yes, it's not recommended
[03:16] <m0biu5> if I download a tarball of fonts (from gnome-look.org), where would I extract them to to use them
[03:16] <sector10> SuseUX: ok yes, anywhere but home/user i rekon
[03:16] <drijen> dang, ton of users
[03:16] <yes> thanx :)
[03:17] <ScatterBrain> yes: I tried that a couple of weeks ago.  Result was borked setup --> reinstall.
[03:17] <ScatterBrain> yes: I'd recommend against it.
[03:17] <Licker> is there an easy way to remove whole programs
[03:17] <drijen> Licker: apt-get remove --purge
[03:17] <ThomasM> yes: What is it that you need from debian's repository?  Have you checked the 'universe' or 'multiverse' repositories first?
[03:17] <nix4me> will 5.10 be on mirrors by tomorrow morning?
[03:17] <SuseUX> sector10, /windows would be a good choice :-)
[03:17] <mustard5> Licker, depends how they are installed
[03:17] <ScatterBrain> Licker: "sudo apt-get --purge remove [app name] "
[03:17] <gustavor> how do I get powernow to work with amd64 with a 386 compiled kernel?
[03:17] <ThomasM> nix4me: I'd count on it by 8:00P EST tomorrow.
[03:17] <SuseUX> sector10, but yes /mnt is the prefered way
[03:18] <drijen> i have mad instability and shutdown/reboot issues over here, if any cares to help
[03:18] <gustavor> using breezy
[03:18] <yes> ThomasM: i think i didn't find azureus
[03:18] <Licker> for some reason I have 2 instances of php4 and 1 of php5
[03:18] <sector10> SuseUX:  yes, i was hinting only that the disk utility is a problem, dont you think
[03:18] <JohnP789> Anybody used ivtv for commandline recording?
[03:18] <ThomasM> yes: Azureus is a simple tarball of a java package.  If you have java installed, you don't have to do a thing to run azureus.
[03:18] <drijen> yes, azureous is an elf binary, not a program
[03:18] <Draucon> q time
[03:18] <Licker> so i wanna remove them all and reinstall php4
[03:18] <mustard5> Licker, all installed through synaptic?
[03:19] <sector10> SuseUX:  it defaults to home directory, i think thats bad for new users with windows thats all
[03:19] <bytter> ok guys... 2:20 here... got to sleep
[03:19] <yes> i am new to this repo stuff. so i am somewhat clueless about what to search where
[03:19] <ScatterBrain> 22% @ 125Kb/s.  The Breezy servers must be getting hammered!
[03:19] <gleesond> Synaptic is pritty sweet!
[03:19] <bytter> take care ppl! bye!
[03:19] <ThomasM> Licker: You can do that all in one swoop from synaptic.  Tell it to reinstall the version you want, and uninstall the ones you don't.
[03:19] <sector10> SuseUX:  just ranting! nevermind,
[03:19] <mustard5> gleesond, it is
[03:20] <Licker> Ohh. allright,.
[03:20] <Licker> thanx all
[03:20] <drijen> anyone else have init 6 issues?
[03:20] <SuseUX> sector10, not sure but to Linux it's just another filesystem, I assume it dont matter where it is
[03:20] <Hobbsee> ScatterBrain: i find that around normal when dist upgrading, at least a few weeks ago...
[03:20] <ThomasM> Licker: If you want every last config file removed, you can also tell synaptic to "completely remove" but keep in mind that it does do so.
[03:20] <ThomasM> drijen: What happens when you 'init 6'?
[03:20] <qmb> hi
[03:21] <Hobbsee> ScatterBrain: but that could easily be my connection
[03:21] <_native_> reboot
[03:21] <drijen> ThomasM: i was referrign to its inability to shutdown or reboot
[03:21] <ThomasM> _native_: I know that.  The point is that he said he's having issues.
[03:21] <ThomasM> drijen: What point does it fail?
[03:21] <sricci> Is there an easy way to upgrade my already existing 5.04 to 5.10 via cli?
[03:21] <drijen> ThomasM: sighups all programs like normal, then hangs
[03:21] <ScatterBrain> Hobbsee: I normally get around 300Kb/s on my connection.  So I'm guessing the pipe is being used a bit more than normal.
[03:21] <drijen> ThomasM: on reboot, screen blanks, and sits
[03:22] <mustard5> sricci, yes
[03:22] <ThomasM> sricci: change your /etc/apt/sources.list and run 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
[03:22] <drijen> ThomasM: on shutdown it  just sits
[03:22] <_native_> breezy?
[03:22] <eyequeue> is there a canonical (no pun intended) url for "ubuntu mirrors list"?  i'm writing an article and would like to point to it
[03:22] <_native_> breezy has had issues with reboot.
[03:22] <ThomasM> drijen: If you power it down and back up manually, does it run a fsck check on drives?
[03:22] <Licker> well i want to uninstall everything thats server side
[03:22] <drijen> negative
[03:22] <mustard5> !tell sricci about BreezyUpgrade
[03:22] <Hobbsee> ScatterBrain: nice!
[03:22] <miksu> download speeds grow up to 6 kbs compared to windows in breezy..compare, 103 > 109
[03:22] <drijen> ThomasM: negative, has a clean tree - resierfs
[03:23] <crainte> so there's a new slackware release right?
[03:23] <ThomasM> drijen: Sounds like it's just not aware how to do a soft poweroff.  I'd check your power management settings in the BIOS.
[03:23] <sricci> mustard5: that didn't work
[03:23] <drijen> crainte: 102.
[03:23] <mustard5> !tell sricci about breezyupgrade
[03:23] <mustard5> stupid bot :)
[03:23] <sricci> hah
[03:23] <kbrooks> mustard5: upgrade2breezy
[03:23] <ThomasM> drijen: Like on some of my virtual machines.  Some of them know how to turn off the computer, and some don't.  But usually I get a message that says 'Power down.' or such when the shutdown is complete.
[03:23] <kbrooks> wrong factoid
[03:23] <mustard5>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[03:23] <drijen> ThomasM: the acpi patches do fine, the BIOS calls are generally immune
[03:23] <mustard5> :D
[03:24] <ScatterBrain> sricci: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[03:24] <sricci> thanks mustard5
[03:24] <crainte> 102?
[03:24] <drijen> crainte: 10.2
[03:24] <drijen> crainte: was using it an hour ago
[03:24] <ScatterBrain> sricci: I think that's what mustard5 was tying to tell you.
[03:24] <ThomasM> drijen: And this even happens on reboot? Not just shutdown?
[03:24] <crainte> you were using slack an hour ago? what happened?
[03:24] <drijen> ThomasM: correct
[03:24] <ScatterBrain> ubotu: BreezyUpgrade is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[03:24] <ubotu> okay, ScatterBrain
[03:24] <gleesond> what was it w32... for the codecs?
[03:24] <ScatterBrain> ! BrezzyUpgrade
[03:24] <ubotu> ScatterBrain: What?
[03:24] <drijen> ThomasM: plus i have TONS of lockups for no reson
[03:25] <ScatterBrain> ! BreezyUpgrade
[03:25] <ubotu> hmm... breezyupgrade is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[03:25] <drijen> gleesond: mplayerhq.hu
[03:25] <Rounin> gleesond: The win32codecs for mplayer?
[03:25] <Rounin> Yeah, there's a link there
[03:25] <ScatterBrain> heh
[03:25] <ThomasM> drijen: Hrm. You'll probably need wiser brains than mine.  Stock kernel, with proper architecture specified?
[03:25] <chjchjchj> razor-x; still there? having thought about your plan, I see a problem. The deb install was asking for a FLOPPY only...it did not give any option to choose from a partition or image etc
[03:25] <drijen> ThomasM: indeed
[03:25] <drijen> ThomasM: i've thought about throwing my own kernel into it
[03:25] <drijen> ThomasM: no other distro has this issue
[03:25] <joe__> ThomasM, ok i did taht both ways but it says i need a public key?
[03:25] <ThomasM> drijen: Linux computers should not lock up.  :P
[03:25] <drijen> ThomasM: yeah, no kidding
[03:25] <crainte> lies
[03:26] <crainte> linux has bluescreens
[03:26] <drijen> ThomasM: programs mebbe, but NEVER the kernel
[03:26] <kevogod> I've never seen a bluescreen.
[03:26] <Rounin> kernel panic anyone
[03:26] <nix4me> my linux computers have never locked up
[03:26] <crainte> bluescreen is hardware i believe
[03:26] <ThomasM> drijen: Off-hand chance: would you be willing to subject it to a memtest86 for a few hours?
[03:26] <drijen> Rounin: kernel panics only happen when you jack with it
[03:26] <_native_> only userland stuff has locked on my
[03:26] <HrdwrBob> crainte: drivers, more often than not
[03:26] <drijen> ThomasM: yes
[03:26] <Rounin> Ah
[03:26] <nix4me> yep
[03:26] <_native_> *me
[03:26] <drijen> ThomasM: have done so already
[03:26] <drijen> ThomasM: clean
[03:26] <crainte> eh, my hand was in it and i didn't turn it off
[03:26] <mustard5> joe__, ignore that joe
[03:27] <ThomasM> drijen: What other distros work?
[03:27] <crainte> minislack
[03:27] <drijen> ThomasM: all 300 of them
[03:27] <nix4me> they all work
[03:27] <drijen> ThomasM: i get bored....
[03:27] <omp> will breezy even be released today? :x
[03:27] <joe__> ok but it says some of the packages were broken
[03:27] <ThomasM> joe__: You can import the key, but I'm not remembering how.  mustard5's right in saying that you can ignore the message.
[03:27] <drijen> ThomasM: my main distros are slack and crux
[03:27] <mustard5> which ones joe__
[03:27] <SuperQ> ThomasM: heh.. linux shouldn't lock up, but it does sometimes
[03:28] <drijen> jesus this is a heavy chan
[03:28] <foxgamer> SuseUX: Just thought I would let you know, the problem with libtcl that I've been having? It's actually a problem with the program. Typical! :)
[03:28] <joe__> let me paste it
[03:28] <mustard5> k
[03:28] <gleesond> can some one help me find a repository that will have MPlayer with the codecs installed?
[03:28] <chjchjchj> razor-x ping?
[03:28] <mustard5> in #flood?
[03:28] <ThomasM> drijen: Yep. I'm having to run full-screen 10pt to keep up.
[03:28] <drijen> gleesond: lazy
[03:28] <drijen> gleesond: go d/l them, sheesh
[03:28] <SuseUX> foxgamer, yer, tipical :-)
[03:28] <drijen> ThomasM: reminds me of warez chns
[03:28] <Rounin> gleesond: The w32codecs probably aren't in any repositories
[03:28] <SuperQ> gleesond: you want the w32codecs package
[03:28] <sandyeggoboy> mustard5 -- i am FINALLY back, my+
[03:28] <ThomasM> gleesond: Did you not try the marillat/debian.video.free.fr repository that we mentioned earlier?
[03:28] <drijen> mustard5: use pastebin
[03:28] <Rounin> Oh, never mind :P
[03:28] <mustard5> hehe sandyeggoboy
[03:29] <gleesond> no I just installed 3 debian and it wasn't there
[03:29] <MrGnash> I'm finding it hard to wait for the final Breezy release - would downloading the daily build then upgrading be a safe option?
[03:29] <mustard5> how did it go sandyeggoboy ?
[03:29] <sandyeggoboy> wireless is &^%$&^%$& ed u
[03:29] <ThomasM> drijen: Yep. I'm bored, so I'm in here trying to be helpful.  Keeps me busy.  :)
[03:29] <drijen> gleesond: for FS! takes 3 whole seconds by hand
[03:29] <gleesond> sorry
[03:29] <drijen> ThomasM: your welcome in my home chan anytime :)
[03:29] <sandyeggoboy> i am not sure .... i lost pretty much everything i was supposed to send you
[03:29] <mustard5> ah ok..no luck with internet
[03:29] <sagar_> does anyonw have any idea why my system clock would be too fast
[03:29] <_native_> whats wrong with your wireless?
[03:29] <ThomasM> drijen: It's not listed in your /whois.
[03:29] <mustard5> you read the howto's on wireless sandyeggoboy ?
[03:29] <drijen> ThomasM: sorry, i'mnot there
[03:29] <thelusiv> i'm still running warty :(
[03:29] <arghetlam> Umm, yeah. I'm having a problem running a shell script. Still. I must be retarted or something. . .
[03:30] <sandyeggoboy> yeah
[03:30] <sandyeggoboy> i read it
[03:30] <joe__> mustard5, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3032
[03:30] <mustard5> k joe__
[03:30] <ThomasM> drijen: In regard to your problem, I have no idea.  The only thing I know of that can cause frequent lockups like yours, other than a truly malconfigured kernel, is memory issues.
[03:30] <drijen> ThomasM: i think i'll go back to slack :)
[03:30] <ThomasM> drijen: I _try_ to help, but I'm just a code monkey.  You might seen one off to the main mailing list.
[03:30] <SuperQ> gleesond: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main
[03:30] <drijen> ThomasM: wait until breezy stabilizes, try again
[03:30] <_native_> so whats wrong, what chip? etc....
[03:30] <ThomasM> drijen: No!!! For the love of God!  /me backs down from holy war.
[03:30] <willert> MrGnash: No should be no problem at all, go ahead.
[03:31] <SuseUX> drijen,  :-), sounds like a no so bad idea
[03:31] <drijen> ThomasM: lol
[03:31] <Icarus> hi all
[03:31] <drijen> hi
[03:31] <Icarus> anyone here using the new version of ubuntu??
[03:31] <_native_> sandyeggboy?
[03:31] <drijen> me
[03:31] <arghetlam> I am.
[03:31] <VoX> when is libdrm going to be put back in to breezy?
[03:31] <benkong2> !flash-player
[03:31] <ubotu> benkong2: I haven't a clue
[03:31] <mustard5> it looks ok when you ran it the second time joe__
[03:31] <kevogod> Is anyone here using a computer?
[03:31] <joe__> ok
[03:31] <joe__> sweet
[03:31] <drijen> kevogod: nope
[03:31] <joe__> i'll move on to the next line
[03:31] <Icarus> cool! do you guys have ati cards?
[03:31] <drijen> kevogod: i use an internet appliacne
[03:31] <benkong2> !flash
[03:31] <ubotu> somebody said flash was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:31] <drijen> Icarus: unfortunatly, yes
[03:32] <arghetlam> Kevgod - I have an ethernet cable running out of my ear.
[03:32] <drijen> kevogod: i have netrisca
[03:32] <Icarus> drijen: is your ati card working properly? I am trying to run RTCW:ET but its sooooooooo slow!!!
[03:32] <kevogod> arghetlam, Are you running NetBSD?
[03:32] <mustard5> joe__, your using the sid repo now?
[03:32] <drijen> Icarus: ATI + linux = give up
[03:32] <theintern> are the directions in http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes going to have pretty much the same effect as just installing it? (what im really asking would it better to do a clean install or upgrading is fine)
[03:32] <dreifinger> hmmz... satan is joining #ubuntu
[03:32] <Icarus> lol
[03:32] <kevogod> drijen, Yes, that is why I got it working after 5 minutes.
[03:32] <drijen> ThomasM: man, this is like #mepis :)
[03:33] <dreifinger> uh i had to type natas :+
[03:33] <ThomasM> drijen: Hrm? For activity, or under some other quantifier?
[03:33] <Icarus> I think I need a new graphics card altogther :p
[03:33] <sector10> my computer wont reboot for some reason
[03:33] <benkong2> !breezy repos
[03:33] <ubotu> benkong2: Do they come in packets of five?
[03:33] <sector10> it will shut down though
[03:33] <drijen> ThomasM: i was around when mepis was created, then it turned into a noob madhouse
[03:33] <ThomasM> sector10: Does it just go to a blank screen and not do anything, or does it stop during the runlevel switch?
[03:33] <arghetlam> Kevogod - whatever ubunto 5.04 is running.
[03:33] <drijen> ThomasM: fun times :)
[03:33] <benkong2> !repos
[03:33] <ubotu> from memory, sources is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[03:34] <VoX> when is libdrm going to be put back in to breezy?
[03:34] <sandyeggoboy> ok, mustard5, here it is again: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3033
[03:34] <kevogod> arghetlam, The joke went right over you. :-)
[03:34] <drijen> VoX: ask a dev
[03:34] <ThomasM> drijen: I'm a Undernet #linux regular.  I'm having a hard time adjusting to a channel where spoonfeeding's allowed, but it seems to be working.
[03:34] <VoX> drijen: where's one to ask
[03:34] <mustard5> k sandyeggoboy
[03:34] <drijen> VoX: ubuntu-dev i think
[03:34] <crimsun> VoX: what are you talking about?
[03:34] <sector10> ThomasM: thanks and hi! it goes down a little to a black screen, then i have to hit power button
[03:34] <drijen> VoX: i'm not a regular
[03:34] <crimsun> libdrm1 is in main.
[03:34] <ThomasM> drijen: I'm usually an anti-newb, so I'm trying to open up my horizons.
[03:34] <drijen> sector10: i have the same issue
[03:34] <ThomasM> sector10: Talk to drijen and compare symptoms.
[03:34] <drijen> sector10: pm me
[03:34] <arghetlam> kevogod - more than likely. Basicially, I tried to run a shell script that's on my desktop through the terminal, and it said that it couldn't find it.
[03:35] <mustard5> sandyeggoboy, I would try making a new directory in /mnt and trying to mount hdc6 on to that
[03:35] <drijen> ThomasM: sweet, i'm not the only one
[03:35] <crimsun> new users are part of the community, too.
[03:35] <ThomasM> drijen,sector10: Standard debugging, now.  What do you two have in common?
[03:35] <sector10> drijen: what you got for box?
[03:35] <foxgamer> Anyone having/had eggdrop/libtcl8.4.s0 problems?
[03:35] <drijen> sector10: pm, too bloody busy in here
[03:35] <willert> VoX: but I think the devs are all concerned about the release right now, give them a few days or so
[03:35] <ThomasM> drijen,sector10: I'd compare your /proc/cpu and beginning 'dmesg' listing.
[03:35] <TylerDurden> how come i cant get the nvidia drivers to work? i installed them from synaptic but xserver wont start upp
[03:35] <ThomasM> Sorry. /proc/cpuinfo
[03:35] <_native_> "anti-noob" you'll always be a newb if you have learned anything at all.
[03:35] <sector10> right
[03:35] <shekhar> can someone help me with building openafs modules?
[03:35] <crimsun> TylerDurden: did you follow wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?
[03:35] <crimsun> shekhar: sure, I'm back.
[03:35] <TylerDurden> ill try crimsun
[03:35] <VoX> crimsun: i did an update about 12 hours ago, and something has removed libdrm, so half of my ogl apps have ceased to work
[03:36] <willert> TylerDurden: welcome back... what happend?
[03:36] <crimsun> VoX: so reinstall libdrm1
[03:36] <willert> TylerDurden: You got your new kernel working?
[03:36] <shekhar> crimsun:  hi, so i tried building the modules from source and am getting errors
[03:36] <TylerDurden> willert, i didnt really try, i was messing with my nvidia drivers and couldnt boot so now im trying to get nvidia working again
[03:36] <ThomasM> _native_: That was a simplifier message.  To put it better, the usual attitude is to help those who help themselves.  Make them read docs and man pages, and then come back when they have questions.  Most newbs refuse, hence the over-simplification.
[03:36] <crimsun> shekhar: did you install all the prerequisites?
[03:36] <Crane> h e l l o
[03:37] <_native_> yeah
[03:37] <erick> hello
[03:37] <willert> TylerDurden: ok, I got the source of the vanilla kernel, still interested?
[03:37] <TylerDurden> the vanilla kernel? i can just go to kernel.org and download it cant i?
[03:37] <TylerDurden> willert do u have aim/msn?
[03:37] <erick> want to ask how can I add a virtual ip address
[03:38] <shekhar> crimsun:  i installed openafs-client, openafs-modules-source and openafs-krb5
[03:38] <VoX> crimsun: i've done that, it's still not all there
[03:38] <ThomasM> _native_: That's why I'm here.  At least reminding myself that that's not the only route to knowledge, even if I consider it the best route.
[03:38] <drijen> ThomasM: mind joining #ubuntulap?
[03:38] <_native_> i agree
[03:38] <shekhar> crimsun:  while configuring openafs-client it told me to compile the module
[03:38] <_native_> fully
[03:38] <ThomasM> drijen: It's a bit lonely in there.
[03:38] <benkong2> is there such a thing as breezy extras in repos?
[03:38] <drijen> ThomasM: i know, i just now made it
[03:39] <drijen> ThomasM: 3 way pm
[03:39] <crimsun> shekhar: and have you?
[03:39] <Tarik> Bu kanalda Trk var m?
[03:39] <drijen> ThomasM: sorry, #ubuntulaptop
[03:39] <joe__> mustard5, errrrgggggg, wwin32codecs again!!!!!! jeeez.  got a backport for that and libdivx4linux?
[03:39] <mustard5> sandyeggoboy, I put a note on the bottom of the page http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3034
[03:39] <shekhar> crimsun:  getting errors when compiling with module-assistant
[03:39] <Rev-Marc> Greetings all , being new to using bittorrent is it normal for the window to remain open after the file reaches 100% ?
[03:39] <VoX> crimsun: is there a way to back-trace which package update did the damage?
[03:40] <mustard5> what is the error joe__ ?
[03:40] <crimsun> shekhar: (1) you need to use a package manager to install linux-headers-$(uname -r), build-essential
[03:40] <auk> !info ifolder breezy
[03:40] <auk> :(
[03:40] <GatoMoteado> help....new ubuntu user....totem won't play WMV files.....what do i do?
[03:40] <sandyeggoboy> ok, i will try that now
[03:41] <shekhar> crimsun:  module-assistant does that automatically
[03:41] <erick> guys what will be my entry in /etc/networking/interfaces to add a virtual ip
[03:41] <nix4me> GatoMoteado: pray
[03:41] <kevogod> !tell GatoMoteado about w32codecs
[03:41] <GatoMoteado> :(
[03:41] <joe__> mustard5,  E: Couldn't find package win32codecs
[03:41] <nix4me> w32codecs might help too
[03:41] <shekhar> crimsun:  i installed the headers successfully
[03:41] <chickenmonger> Rev-Marc: Yes, once you have downloaded 100% of the file, you continue uploading pieces of the file to others until you close the client.
[03:41] <miksu> gatomoteado totem did not play shoutcast either..i believe a better choice is zinf which you can install via synaptic packace manager
[03:41] <GatoMoteado> ok
[03:41] <Rev-Marc> Thank You
[03:41] <Tarik> Friends, Ubuntu Linux PC Standart Request(5CD) included gcc or other c/c++ compilers? sorry bad english...
[03:41] <GatoMoteado> lemme try that miksu
[03:42] <crimsun> shekhar: although module-assistant may be easier, try the debian/rules method
[03:42] <drijen> sector10: #ubuntulaptop
[03:42] <sandyeggoboy> nope, same error: mount: /dev/hdc6 already mounted
[03:42] <crimsun> GatoMoteado: dpkg -l totem\*|grep ^ii
[03:42] <NeverDream> if you love Ubuntu and you love AIM, a buddy icon for you! http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b207/daddyoh/newbuntu.gif :)
[03:42] <WinZ> Tarik, yes, gcc
[03:42] <kevogod> badgerbadgerbadger
[03:42] <kevogod> !!
[03:42] <ubotu> ! is, like, what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[03:42] <Tarik> Thanks WinZ
[03:42] <arghetlam> Kevogod- Basicially, what I get when I try to run the shell script, it doesn't find it.
[03:42] <VoX> GatoMoteado: vlc will play wmv, aswell as prettymuch anything that you point it at
[03:43] <kevogod> arghetlam, What shell script?
[03:43] <arghetlam> kevogod - The BF2 Dedicated Linux server
[03:43] <rob_p> erick:  I'm not sure if you can specify IP address aliases in the config file or not.  However, it's pretty easy to write a small startup script to handle it for you.
[03:43] <mustard5> sandyeggoboy, need to find out what hdc6 is mounted too
[03:44] <sandyeggoboy> how to do that mustard5?
[03:44] <bettong_BOFH> i have installed a hard drive that is going to be used as a file storage drive..what file system should i use to format it?
[03:44] <mustard5> sandyeggoboy, I'm thinking... :D
[03:44] <mustard5> sandyeggoboy, mount on its own should show all the mounted drives
[03:44] <GatoMoteado> where can i get vlc?
[03:44] <GatoMoteado> i dont see zinf in synaptic
[03:44] <mustard5> and what they are mounted to
[03:44] <shekhar> crimsun:  ok give me a few minutes, i'll try it
[03:44] <TylerDurden> when i try to use my nvidia drivers it says no kernel module found, how come?
[03:44] <miksu> bettong ext 3 for linux only, i think fat32 is readable by both ubuntu and windows . for dos compatibility, use fat 16 or dos 7.10
[03:44] <bettong_BOFH> and wherre shoud they be mounted
[03:45] <omp> wasn't it supposed to be released like 2 hours ago?
[03:45] <crimsun> no
[03:45] <bettong_BOFH> should i mount it a /boot?
[03:45] <X3ndou> HEY
[03:45] <X3ndou> whens
[03:45] <X3ndou> it
[03:45] <X3ndou> getting
[03:45] <X3ndou> RELEASED!?
[03:45] <X3ndou> oh yeah
[03:45] <bettong_BOFH> i mean make the access path
[03:45] <joe__> mustard5,  did you get my message?
[03:46] <X3ndou> and how do I make something start when ubuntu boots
[03:46] <X3ndou> for some reason another screensaver app was set as default
[03:46] <mustard5> no joe__
[03:46] <joe__> mustard5,  E: Couldn't find package win32codecs
[03:46] <X3ndou> and xscreensaver isn't starting
[03:46] <mustard5> ah ok..found it joe__
[03:46] <WinZ> 5.10 released?
[03:46] <sandyeggoboy> nope, does not show anything at all for hdc6
[03:46] <sandyeggoboy> or for anything hdc at all
[03:46] <mustard5> yeah...something is amiss in your sources.list still I think joe__ `
[03:46] <Xenguy> !java
[03:46] <ubotu> I guess javadeb is for sun java debs packaged for ubuntu, Install from http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/87ofx (Breezy) 64-bit? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#java
[03:47] <joe__> got a good page for backports?
[03:47] <mustard5> sandyeggoboy, yeah thats the mystery
[03:47] <frank23> will hoary-extras change to breezy-extras when breezy is released?
[03:49] <dreifinger> hmmz... 625 users online in this room :+
[03:50] <crainte> all awaiting the new slackware release >_>
[03:50] <DonL> Anyone know a good place for Warty stuff anymore? I had to revert this weekend, and I'm feeling a bit gunshy of unofficial repositories at the moment
[03:50] <Trashcan> oops
[03:50] <frank23> dreifinger: we hit 1000 here after the hoary release
[03:50] <Trashcan> wow
[03:50] <yojimbo-san> and all of they trying hard to not say "when is breezy out ..."
[03:50] <Trashcan> 
[03:51] <GatoMoteado> so i guess there's no easy way of playing wmv on ubuntu :(
[03:51] <Trashcan> wmv is closed
[03:51] <Trashcan> afaik
[03:51] <bytefoo> w32codecs
[03:51] <GatoMoteado> i dont see zinf or vlc in synaptic
[03:51] <joe__> gato, no there isn't :)
[03:51] <WinZ> !tell GatoMoteado about w32codecs
[03:51] <joe__> GatoMoteado, i've been trying for a week to get it to work
[03:52] <GatoMoteado> damn
[03:52] <joe__> WinZ, please tell me about win32codecs?
[03:52] <dreifinger> nah all of ya sleep well tonight!
[03:52] <kevogod> !tell joe_ about w32codecs
[03:52] <WinZ> !tell joe__ about w32codecs
[03:52] <dreifinger> and speek/see ya later!!
[03:52] <ubuntu-friends> from ubuntu-devel: mdz rsync: write failed on "/home/mdz/cd/ubuntu/breezy-dvd-powerpc.iso": No space left on device (28)
[03:52] <kevogod> oops, my bad
[03:53] <Jinn> hellew?
[03:53] <axeus> Does Ubuntu come with libsdl?
[03:53] <GatoMoteado> where are the w32codecs?
[03:53] <Jinn> o.O
[03:53] <WinZ> GatoMoteado, http://tinyurl.com/87ofx
[03:53] <airmikey> is breezy ready or am i better off running ubuntu ?
[03:53] <WinZ> GatoMoteado, download .deb
[03:53] <kevogod> Breezy = Ubuntu
[03:53] <crimsun> axeus: yes
[03:53] <crimsun> airmikey: what?
[03:53] <axeus> crimsun:  out of the box?
[03:53] <concept10> What are you guys using to 'successfully' use quicktime in firefox?
[03:53] <melvztechie> hello
[03:54] <kevogod> concept10, MPlayer
[03:54] <yojimbo-san> airmikey: breezy is just the latest version of Ubuntu. Wait a few hours, it'll be worth it.
[03:54] <WinZ> GatoMoteado, then dpkg -i w32codecs.deb
[03:54] <Jinn> hey.. can i  install ubuntu on the same drive as my winxp?
[03:54] <melvztechie> anyone here
[03:54] <airmikey> 5.04 or 5.10
[03:54] <joetheodd> [LethAL] : Are you there?
[03:54] <crainte> 622 people in the room and you're asking if someone is here?
[03:54] <VoX> !nvidia
[03:54] <ubotu> methinks nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[03:54] <frank23> concept10: I use the mediaplayerconnectivity extension
[03:54] <joetheodd> yes crainte.
[03:54] <ScatterBrain> Wow, now I'm down to 70Kb/s.
[03:54] <crimsun> axeus: yes, since gnomemeeting depends on it, and gnomemeetings is a dependency of ubuntu-desktop
[03:54] <Jinn> hey.. can i  install ubuntu on the same drive as my winxp?
[03:54] <yojimbo-san> Jinn: yes, if you have spare space. You might be able to defrag your drive
[03:54] <axeus> crimsun: thanks.
[03:54] <weob> ok not sure if i got 3d working or not but i did get nvidia drivers to install
[03:54] <ScatterBrain> People in Europe are waking up I guess.  ;-)
[03:54] <mustard5_> sandyeggoboy, ?
[03:54] <kevogod> Jinn, Yes you can
[03:54] <Jinn> well i have 80 gigs on that partition..
[03:55] <yojimbo-san> Jinn: 80gb spare?
[03:55] <frank23> weob: glxinfo | grep direct
[03:55] <weob> i installed ut2004 demo and got an error trying to run the game
[03:55] <Jinn> yeah lmao
[03:55] <yojimbo-san> Jinn: if it was a separate partition already that would be easiest
[03:55] <Jinn> well will it all go into the install?
[03:55] <weob> says yes
[03:55] <weob> yes
[03:55] <concept10> frank23, and then what app are you launching?  apple.com is strict on quicktime
[03:55] <frank23> weob: then 3d acceleration should work
[03:55] <Jinn> then i should just make a separate install tehn D:
[03:55] <weob> error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:55] <weob> 
[03:55] <steph> can anyone point me to a breezy sources.list?
[03:55] <yojimbo-san> Ubuntu takes <10Gb normally
[03:55] <concept10> frank23, I have that extension
[03:55] <weob> when i try to launch it
[03:55] <frank23> concept10: I use kaffeine and kmplayer
[03:56] <Jinn> size isnt a problem
[03:56] <airmikey> yojimbo-san:thx
[03:56] <concept10> steph, topic
[03:56] <srbaker_> dudes
[03:56] <srbaker_> what's the name of the panel applet that works with NetworkManager to let me choose between available WAPs, etc?
[03:56] <arghetlam> For everything I'm getting done, I might as well be beating my head over the keyboard. . .
[03:56] <frank23> concept10: you want something that uses mplayer or xine
[03:56] <TiMiDo> lol arghetlam
[03:56] <ScatterBrain> srbaker_: wifi-radar
[03:56] <concept10> i cant believe it, 627 people in the room, growing base tonight
[03:56] <steph> concept10, thanks
[03:56] <yojimbo-san> Jinn: yes, if you have a spare d: partition, you can install ubuntu on that easily.
[03:56] <weob> lib sexual transmitted diseases cant have that - i duhno how to fix that one
[03:56] <Jinn> thanx a lot
[03:56] <arghetlam> I try to run the shell script, I copy and paste the name, and. . .not found.
[03:57] <srbaker_> ScatterBrain, that's what works with networkmanager?
[03:57] <concept10> !breezy
[03:57] <foxiness> is there will be rc 2?
[03:57] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[03:57] <TiMiDo> arghetlam huh?
[03:57] <ScatterBrain> srbaker_: yep
[03:57] <sandyeggoboy> yup ....
[03:57] <crimsun> foxiness: no, we release tomorrow/today depending on timezone.
[03:57] <TiMiDo> /j #ubuntu-devel
[03:57] <srbaker_> uh
[03:57] <srbaker_> it can't be run by non-root
[03:57] <cafuego_> crimsun: .. and remaining brokenness?
[03:57] <foxiness> crimsun, ok thank you
[03:58] <leo> hi !!! guys!!!
[03:58] <Jinn> i guess i'll just partition magic up a new one @_@
[03:58] <steph> concept10, that sit edoesnt list backports or any of the other good ones
[03:58] <rob_p> arghetlam:  What are you trying to do?  Is the script that you are trying to run, located in your path?
[03:58] <yojimbo-san> Jinn: good idea :-)
[03:58] <sandyeggoboy> i am away for dinner
[03:58] <steph> ubuntuguide.org lists lots more, are thoes not available for brreezy yet?
[03:58] <kevogod> Jinn, Ubuntu will partition it for you
[03:58] <kevogod> !ubuntuguide
[03:58] <ubotu> hmm... ubuntuguide is out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide will soon be the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[03:58] <sandyeggoboy> please email me ......
[03:58] <crimsun> please be very careful with ubuntuguide.
[03:58] <Jinn> well yeah.. but it'll delete my exsisting files won't it?
[03:58] <Jinn> i want to keep my files :(
[03:58] <srbaker_> ScatterBrain, is there a panel applet thos?
[03:58] <srbaker_> tho even?
[03:59] <arghetlam> rob_p - basicially, I'm trying to run a shell script on my desktop.
[03:59] <rob_p> arghetlam:  If not, then from within the same directory as the script, put a, "./" in front of the script.
[03:59] <melvztechie> Jinn, better backup ur data first
[03:59] <ScatterBrain> srbaker_: I don't think so.
[03:59] <leonel> Breezy come out come out  please !
[03:59] <srbaker_> i know there's a panel applet somewhere
[03:59] <srbaker_> i've seen it in screenshots on planet gnome
[03:59] <rob_p> arghetlam:  ...or else include the full path to the script location...
[03:59] <kevogod> Doesn't Ubuntu use Ntfsresize?
[03:59] <srbaker_> long ago
[03:59] <ScatterBrain> srbaker_: I think it's just an app.
[04:00] <arghetlam> rob_p - I've tried both things you've said about twenty different times, and each time it tells me it can't find the script.
[04:00] <Jinn> yeah.. well i'm goign to use parts of 2 different partitions to make the 3rd one, one of which has my windows xp lmao
[04:00] <rob_p> arghetlam:  Also, make sure the script is set executable (something like 755).
[04:00] <weob> error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:00] <weob>  - any idea on a fix?
[04:00] <rob_p> arghetlam:  Can you run the script from the command line?
[04:00] <Ainvar> any reason why my cpu hit 100% in firefox when using the fglrx driver for my ati x300 video card?
[04:01] <arghetlam> rob_p - The terminal, you mean?
[04:01] <steph> Is kubuntu-desktop compatable with breezy?
[04:01] <joe__> mustard5, i dled the win32codecs so i do 'sudo dpkg -i win32codecs.deb /usr/local/lib/codecs?
[04:01] <frank23> weob: install libstdc++5
[04:01] <miksu> i am having some trouble with themes. do you think that breezy final will give us more official themes?
[04:01] <rob_p> arghetlam:  Yes.
[04:01] <weob> pretty sure it is installed
[04:01] <Jinn> do you guys get paid for this? o.O
[04:01] <arghetlam> rob_p - yeah, that's where I've been doing everything.
[04:01] <frank23> joe__: just sudo dpkg -i win32codecs.deb
[04:01] <Jinn> lol
[04:01] <Dreamglider> is there any good and not to complicated webpage creator for ubuntu ?
[04:01] <joe__> k
[04:01] <weob> oh ok guess it was not - shucks
[04:01] <weob> thanks
[04:02] <melvztechie> Jinn: nope this is a community that supports anyone in world
[04:02] <ThomasM> Dreamglider: freshmeat.net would be a good starting point.  Let me see what I can find elsewhere.
[04:02] <bugzElMagnifico> Dreamglider, do you mean a Dreamweaver like editor?
[04:02] <Jinn> i love it
[04:02] <leo> be free my fried open source !!!
[04:02] <leo> friend
[04:03] <rob_p> arghetlam:  Are you currently in the directory which contains the script?
[04:03] <ThomasM> Dreamglider: I know amaya's gaining popularity.
[04:03] <SuseUX> OSS is not a freindly place as lead to believe
[04:03] <leo> Jinn, be free my friend
[04:03] <NeverDream> wine needs to run flash, only then will I finally be free from windows forever...
[04:03] <Jinn> :P
[04:03] <Jinn> well i'm going to multiboot so i'm playing for both teams so to speak
[04:03] <frank23> NeverDream: flash plugin runs fine natively\
[04:03] <leo> firefox has a flash plug in
[04:03] <NeverDream> no no no
[04:04] <NeverDream> I need the editor
[04:04] <arghetlam> rob_p - Yes.
[04:04] <rob_p> arghetlam:  Do a, "ls -l | grep script_name" and tell me what it says.
[04:04] <humbolt> is there a way to limit the bandwidth consumtion of apt and aptitude?
[04:04] <axeus> ...
[04:04] <bugzElMagnifico> NeverDream, if you're satisfied with flash mx (aka 7) wine will run it... (with few quirks)
[04:05] <NeverDream> flah mx is 6
[04:05] <nekostar>  how can one ensure that one has the latest tools to ./configure packages?
[04:05] <NeverDream> all I have is 8...
[04:05] <NeverDream> well, I have 7 somewhere...
[04:05] <bugzElMagnifico> NeverDream, I meant mx 2004...
[04:05] <bugzElMagnifico> NeverDream, but you cant trace in intervals or else....
[04:05] <WinZ> use vmware
[04:05] <arghetlam> rob_p - -rw-r--r--  1 arghetlam arghetlam  41877504 2005-10-12 17:42
[04:05] <arghetlam>                                                              bf2-linuxded-1.1.2551.0-installer.sh
[04:06] <rob_p> arghetlam:  It's not set executable!
[04:06] <NeverDream> bugzElMagnifico: I never got mx 2004 to run
[04:06] <SuseUX> nekostar, since unbunu dont have a specific catugory for compiling tools, you just have to look what it says it needs
[04:06] <Jinn> i hope all my files stay intact >_>;
[04:06] <arghetlam> rob_p - thanks. Umm. . .how do I set it executable?
[04:06] <NeverDream> or even install
[04:06] <rob_p> arghetlam:  Do a, "chmod 755 script_name"
[04:07] <raingrove> isn't breezy coming out nowe
[04:07] <NeverDream> i see release notes!
[04:07] <bugzElMagnifico> NeverDream, I did with a great deal of tweaking, copying and more tweaking... but it's 10000 times slower than running things on Win
[04:07] <ice_1963> is breezy out yet ?
[04:07] <Jinn> is there a way to use w32 programs? (new to linux)
[04:07] <NeverDream> Jinn: wine
[04:07] <stpere> ice_1963, nope
[04:07] <synackuator> cedega
[04:07] <Jinn> ic.
[04:07] <ice_1963> ok
[04:07] <ThomasM> Dreamglider: Short list from apt: august, amaya, bluefish, glimmer, gnotepad+, gphpedit, html-helper-mode (emacs module), jed (and xjed), plugins for kate, mozilla's composer, nxml-mode (emacs), peacock, scite, and zope-kupu.
[04:07] <NeverDream> won't run all of them
[04:08] <Jinn> i'll look it up
[04:08] <Jinn> mmhmm
[04:08] <arghetlam> rob_p - "cannot access `bf2-linuxded-1.1.2551.0-installer.sh': No such file or directory"
[04:08] <rob_p> arghetlam:  Do a, "chmod 755 ./script_name".
[04:08] <bugzElMagnifico> ThomasM, you forgot Quanta
[04:08] <ThomasM> Dreamglider: At a glance, I'd recommend august, amaya, bluefish, glimmer, and mozilla's composer.
[04:08] <SuseUX> Jinn, look for Linux apps instead, Linux has pretty much a anwser to most Windows apps
[04:09] <ThomasM> bugzElMagnifico: Sorry. Was in the list, but didn't contain the word 'edit' in its description.
[04:09] <arghetlam> rob_p - same thing.
[04:09] <bugzElMagnifico> is there any source list where I can install gnucash in Ubuntu?
[04:09] <rob_p> arghetlam:  Are you sure that you are in the directory which contains the script?  Are you sure you typed the script name correctly?  Double-check.
[04:10] <weob> alright unreal works nice
[04:10] <Jinn> thanx suseux
[04:10] <arghetlam> rob_p - one second. ./ and /. are different. . .let me get that right.
[04:10] <bimberi> bugzElMagnifico: it's in the universe repository
[04:10] <ubuntu_> anyone know how to get Ubuntu working with the Intel Extreme Graphics (915 chipset on board video)
[04:10] <bimberi> ubotu tell bugzElMagnifico about repositories
[04:10] <ThomasM> bugzElMagnifico: I've got universe and multiverse enabled, and its listed in my repository.  Using breezy.
[04:10] <rob_p> arghetlam:  ./ means the current working directory.
[04:11] <stpere> ubuntu_, did get it working here
[04:11] <bugzElMagnifico> bimberi, tks...
[04:11] <srbaker> dudes
[04:11] <srbaker> netapplet is what i was looking for
[04:11] <bimberi> bugzElMagnifico: yw :)
[04:11] <ubuntu_> i'm running 5.10rc in live mode...
[04:11] <arghetlam> rob_p - oh.
[04:11] <rob_p> arghetlam:  ./ is what you want...
[04:11] <bugzElMagnifico> I've just jumped from a debian full to Ubuntu... still getting aquainted
[04:11] <srbaker> but for some reason the version in breezy universe doesn't have an icon in the Add an Applet window, and doesn't have an icon in the panel
[04:11] <erick> how will setup a secured samba server
[04:11] <stpere> ubuntu_, if it didn't changed since 5.04, all you need to do is :
[04:11] <ubuntu_> the module is loaded, but the only resolution I option I have it 600x800
[04:11] <foxiness> is the room for develper of ubuntu ubuntu-dev
[04:12] <foxiness> or something else
[04:12] <eyequeue> el
[04:12] <ThomasM> bugzElMagnifico: main and restricted contain the core packages.  universe is semi-supported, and multiverse is barely supported.
[04:12] <stpere> ubuntu_, m'k it's really not the same problem as in 5.04
[04:12] <stpere> ubuntu_, sorry :-P
[04:12] <rob_p> arghetlam:  Any luck?
[04:12] <arghetlam> rob_p - I had /. Doesn't matter much, though, it didn't make a difference. And I just tried dragging and dropping the icon into the terminal, and it brought up gedit.
[04:12] <ubuntu_> stpere, what was the 5.04 prob>?
[04:13] <bugzElMagnifico> ThomasM, tks... just fixed my sourcelist
[04:13] <stpere> ubuntu_, you had to install the latest dri snapshot
[04:13] <ubuntu_> oh...
[04:13] <stpere> ubuntu_, dri.freedesktop.org
[04:13] <NeverDream> ubuntu_: have you tried the noml kernel parameter?
[04:13] <foxiness> who use smartlink driver here ?
[04:13] <ubuntu_> NeverDream, normal?
[04:13] <edgarin> some person have installed quake arena in ubuntu?
[04:13] <NeverDream> worked for me before with a similar problem
[04:14] <NeverDream> ubuntu_: noml
[04:14] <raingrove> where is our breezy
[04:14] <foxiness> why linux break the driver on every six month ?
[04:14] <SuseUX> edgarin, I have it but not installed it for a while
[04:14] <ubuntu_> what is noml for?
[04:14] <NeverDream> no modelines
[04:14] <Toma-> Whats the countdown up to?
[04:15] <ThomasM> edgarin: It's been a while, but I've had it installed at different times on Debian, and maybe Ubuntu Hoary.
[04:15] <rob_p> arghetlam:  Do this, "chmod 755 ./script_name" from the directory which contains the script.  If it says no such file, then you are either not in the same directory, or you are typing the name of the script wrong.
[04:15] <ThomasM> rob_p: 'chmod +x script_name' is a bit easier for many to read and understand.
[04:15] <Nomad_> I have a question:  Under the "Shared Folders Settings" when I try to click the Help button I get an error saying that it can not find the help files or something.  Can someone help a newbie out?
[04:15] <ubuntu_> NeverDream, thanks...i'll give it a shot
[04:16] <arghetlam> rob_p - okay, just to make sure, I'm looking at arghetlam@computername:~/Desktop
[04:16] <rob_p> arghetlam:  What is the name of the file?
[04:17] <randall> I have a usb device to connect to wireless network. I just installed ubuntu for first time (first linux distro) and dont know what to do to get it working
[04:17] <ThomasM> Nomad_: Only thing I can see at a glance is 'apt-get install ubuntu-docs'
[04:17] <arghetlam> rob_p - bf2-linuxded-1.1.2551.0-installer.sh
[04:17] <randall> Can anybody help?
[04:17] <carthik> randall, ask, and someone might
[04:17] <ThomasM> randall: What make and model?
[04:17] <bimberi> randall: Have a look for your device here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[04:18] <Nomad_> so if i do the apt-get install ubuntu-docs in the terminal window the button should start working?
[04:18] <Nomad_> *apt-get install ubuntu-docs
[04:18] <randall> ThomasM:  Its a Netgreat WG111v2
[04:19] <ThomasM> Nomad_: As root.  I'm hoping.  Can't really see anything else that would cause you to not have the standard help files.
[04:19] <pvh> I just hit a major "Oops". I accidentally chowned my /etc/sudoers to someone else. Now what?
[04:19] <pvh> (This is a totally stock fresh Breezy RC.)
[04:19] <pvh> (That someone else is my current logged in user.)
[04:20] <Xenguy> pvh: so you're asking how to compromise a system? :-)
[04:20] <randall> ThomasM: I mean Netgear
[04:20] <leonel> Breezy come out come out  please !
[04:20] <rob_p> arghetlam:  Is there a funky character at the beginning of your file?
[04:20] <ThomasM> randall: Did you look at the link bimberi gave you?
[04:20] <arghetlam> rob_p - there's an $ after desktop.
[04:21] <arghetlam> rob_p - but that's it.
[04:21] <bugzElMagnifico> pvh just chown it back to root.
[04:21] <randall> ThomasM:  Yes, they have the WG11v1 listed but not WG111v2  <-- does that mean im screwed?
[04:21] <rob_p> arghetlam:  That's fine.  That's you prompt.
[04:21] <ThomasM> randall: Probably not.  Does that doc have a link to or instructions for installation?
[04:21] <pvh> Xenguy: Uh, not really. I currently own the file... so from that point of view, you could call it compromised.
[04:22] <pvh> bugzElMagnifico: Can't give away the file.
[04:22] <arghetlam> rob_P - Okay. So, from here, I just put in "./bf2-linuxded-1.1.2551.0-installer.sh", right?
[04:22] <pvh> bugzElMagnifico: "Operation not permitted."
[04:22] <pvh> bugzElMagnifico: and can't sudo because I'm the owner of /etc/sudoers...
[04:22] <ThomasM> randall: I'd read the WG111HowTo linked from the hardware list, and pop back in here if you have any questions/problems.
[04:22] <randall> ThomasM: Yes, ill look into that before I bother you more
[04:22] <erick> guys Im going to add a user on machine and give them a nologin shell how can I achieve that
[04:22] <bugzElMagnifico> pvh and you dont have access to the root pass?
[04:23] <ThomasM> randall: Feel free to bother.  Just letting you know that I know nothing outside of that document, and don't have the hardware here to learn anything.  :)
[04:23] <bugzElMagnifico> pvh, I mean, you cant su and change it?
[04:23] <Toma-> pvh: use a rescue cd and change the perms with that?
[04:23] <ice_> Breezy out tomorrow?
[04:23] <randall> Although I have another question I downloaded a mp3 just to figure out how to play one.  When I open it in RhythmBox it tells me its not a streaming types and doesnt work....any suggestions?
[04:23] <pvh> bugzElMagnifico: No root pass.. it's a stock install. :)
[04:23] <randall> ThomasM: appreciate the help
[04:24] <pvh> Toma-: Yeah, the machine is on campus and I went home for the day. I'll ask my buddy who's local to the machine, but that means waiting until the hockey game ends and hoping he's sober after.
[04:24] <Toma-> !mp3
[04:24] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:24] <synackuator> so are they gonna send out the CDs sometime in 05??
[04:24] <rob_p> arghetlam:  What is the beginning character of your filename?  It shows up as a strange ascii character here.
[04:25] <kevogod> synackuator, Well, of course
[04:25] <arghetlam> b
[04:25] <synackuator> kevogod: heh, i was hearing people were getting their hoary CDs 3 months later
[04:25] <ThomasM> bugzElMagnifico: Pretty much everything in ubuntu is done by sudo.  This first user created should have ALL=(ALL) privileges.
[04:26] <rob_p> arghetlam:  No, between the "./" and the "b"?  There's a character in there.
[04:26] <kevogod> synackuator, No, it does not take that long.
[04:26] <ThomasM> pvh: Reboot to a rescue CD or your install CD, open a terminal, mount the drive, and change ownership from there, if you're totally locked out.
[04:26] <kevogod> synackuator, Although they don't use Fedex Express Saver or anything.
[04:26] <arghetlam> rob_p - there is? I don't see anything. I didn't even put a space in there.
[04:26] <kevogod> synackuator, It is free, keep in mind.
[04:27] <leo> ThomasM,  how do you conf sudo
[04:27] <leo> ??
[04:27] <ThomasM> leo: 'visudo' under too privileges.
[04:27] <tritium> leo, add the user to the admin group
[04:27] <synackuator> kevogod: gotcha, perhaps someone was exaggerating because they got their CDs a day later than the next guy
[04:27] <bugzElMagnifico> We got our cds not long ago...
[04:27] <rob_p> arghetlam:  Looks like a HEX "%0C".
[04:27] <tritium> viduso is not necessary
[04:27] <kevogod> synackuator, Don't expect overnight delievery is all I'm saying.
[04:27] <ThomasM> leo: Or do what tritium just said.  Didn't know it used a group to handle it.
[04:27] <leo> ok
[04:28] <budluva> how safe is replacing hoary sources.list with breezy sources.list and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade?
[04:28] <pvh> ThomasM: Dang, thanks.
[04:28] <kevogod> synackuator, Expect the typical 6-8 weeks
[04:28] <arghetlam> rob_p - Should I assume that's a bad thing, then?
[04:28] <ThomasM> tritium: Thanks for pointing me toward that tidbit.  I'm still semi-new to Ubuntu.
[04:28] <arghetlam> rob_p - considering the fact that I don't see anything in there.
[04:28] <tritium> ThomasM, no worries!  Thanks for helping out the community already :)
[04:28] <ThomasM> budluva: I've done it without issue.
[04:29] <rob_p> arghetlam:  One sec...
[04:29] <ThomasM> budluva: About... 2 weeks ago, and no problems.  Of course, I was at a base system at the time, but it should go through well. 'dist-upgrade' is pretty smart.
[04:29] <tritium> budluva, did you read the URL in the topic for upgrading to breezy?
[04:29] <budluva> ThomasM, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[04:29] <budluva> ?
[04:29] <budluva> err tristanmike
[04:29] <budluva> ahhh tritium i mean https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[04:30] <tritium> right, budluva :)
[04:30] <ThomasM> budluva: Yep. Read that. Is what "tritium" was talking about.  :)
[04:30] <Chiletix> Hi, I have got a problem
[04:30] <erick> Guys how can I add user with a shell false?
[04:30] <Chiletix> Can't find kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/build;
[04:30] <Chiletix>   give the path to kernel sources with KSRC=<path> argument to make
[04:30] <Chiletix> make: *** [prereq_check]  Error 1
[04:30] <Chiletix> y have kubuntu
[04:30] <ThomasM> erick: Change shell to /bin/false in /etc/passwd
[04:30] <Chiletix> how can i fix this to compile
[04:30] <budluva> someone want to look at something on pastebin for me
[04:31] <heko> hey guys, i have breezy badger 5.10 amdx64
[04:31] <ThomasM> erick: (Should probably replace the text "/bin/bash" if you added the user normally.)
[04:31] <heko> and i have catastrophic memory usage
[04:31] <heko> xorg uses 400mb
[04:31] <heko> firefox uses 324mb
[04:31] <erick> k thomas I'll try taht
[04:31] <heko> my 1 gig of memory is seeming small now
[04:31] <ThomasM> heko: Good God, thy programs art greedy.
[04:31] <heko> is this normal?
[04:31] <Xenguy> heko: that's crazy - reboot I say
[04:31] <budluva> http://pastebin.com/391859
[04:31] <heko> ok, thanks guys will try
[04:32] <ThomasM> heko: How much of the fancy graphics (smoothing, animations, etc.) do you have enabled?
[04:32] <budluva> how can i not have libc6 installed?
[04:32] <intelikey> heko: is it actually using it or just alocating
[04:32] <ThomasM> heko: The other option is to close firefox and restart X.  You shouldn't actually need to restart.
[04:32] <brodmann> i'm trying to run the command (sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins), I'm getting a bunch of errors
[04:32] <frank23> budluva: by uninstalling linux?
[04:32] <randall> Anybody know why when I try to open mp3 in RhythmBox it tells me they are not an audio stream?  (they are mp3 not audiostream)
[04:32] <ThomasM> heko: If firefox is running as a background process with no open windows, kill it.
[04:32] <brodmann> this is after i've run the update
[04:32] <jeff_> brodman: breezy?
[04:32] <heko> thomasm: its the default install, nothing tweaked
[04:32] <konra`> when's breezy out?
[04:32] <brodmann> hoary
[04:32] <budluva> frank23, i never uninstalled
[04:33] <erick> thomas I try this cmd sudo /usr/sbin/adduser -s /bin/false sample and got this error No more than two names
[04:33] <jeff_> brodmann: What are the errors?
[04:33] <heko> thomasm: my other processes are also greedy, Gaim has 187meg and nautilus with 163
[04:33] <ThomasM> erick: I'm not sure about using scripts to do it, so somebody else may know.  I'd recommend adding a regular user and just changing their line in /etc/passwd when complete.
[04:33] <TylerDurden> how do i apply a kernel patch?
[04:33] <brodmann> couldn't stat source package list bla bhalh - backports/restricted packages
[04:33] <brodmann> blah blah
[04:33] <erick> k Thomas thanks
[04:33] <konra`> anyone know when breezy comes out?
[04:34] <heko> intelikey: KDE system guard says 964,500KB used, 56,000 free - i think they're using
[04:34] <brodmann> jeff?  any idea
[04:34] <ThomasM> heko: Hrm...
[04:34] <intelikey> heko: i dought it.
[04:34] <heko> thomasm: ill try a restart
[04:34] <ThomasM> konra`: Any reason why you just VERSION'd me?
[04:34] <ThomasM> heko: What's your current uptime?
[04:34] <konra`> ThomasM, nope
[04:34] <TylerDurden> how do i apply a kernel patch?
[04:35] <heko> thomasm: about 5-6 hours
[04:35] <vengeful> sticky tape
[04:35] <tritium> TylerDurden, please don't repeat
[04:35] <ThomasM> konra`: Then please don't.  I'll answer if you ask, but I don't much like people playing discovery in a help channel.
[04:35] <konra`> sorry
[04:35] <decaf> can I extract files of an iso9660 image without loop mount ?
[04:35] <leo> %admin	ALL=(ALL) ALL
[04:35] <jeff_> decaf: no
[04:35] <leo> where do I type my user name ??
[04:35] <jeff_> leo: is your username leo?
[04:35] <tritium> leo, don't use visudo.  Just add the user you want to have sudo priveleges to the admin group
[04:35] <leo> yes
[04:35] <jeff_> on your ubuntu machine
[04:36] <jeff_> ok: grep leo /etc/group
[04:36] <leo> kind of stupid to say to public
[04:36] <decaf> jeff_, I'm sure it's possible. I just dont have time to write a script for it.
[04:36] <jeff_> If you see user leo in the admin group then you have sudo priviliges
[04:36] <ThomasM> leo: Open /etc/group as root.  Add ':leo' to the end of the line that starts 'admin:x...'
[04:36] <leo> anyway this pc is for experimentation
[04:36] <erick> so thomas is csh cmd avail for ubuntu in redhat this will change you shell
[04:36] <jeff_> decaf: no
[04:36] <leo> ok I'm going to /etc
[04:36] <leo> thanks
[04:36] <rob_p> arghetlam:  For whatever reason, there seems to be a strange character at the beginning of your script's filename.  For grins, try changing your script's filename with, "mv  `ls | grep linuxded` script.sh"  That will find the filename even if it begins with a strange character, and change it to "script.sh."  Then you should be able to work with it.
[04:37] <xynamax> i think i screwed up my glib.  I compiled and installed glib2.4.8 but apparently i already had 2.8.3 installed.  How do I undo what I did?
[04:37] <ThomasM> erick: 'csh' is an alternate shell, yes.  It doesn't come installed by default, but you could 'apt-get install csh' as root.
[04:37] <jeff_> xynamax: sudo apt-get install -reinstall glib might work
[04:37] <xynamax> thanks
[04:37] <erick> ah k thanks
[04:37] <wavefunction> Hi. I'fo;/quit
[04:37] <jeff_> csh? that is horrible. That is the default on AIX
[04:37] <ThomasM> erick: That's the standard shell for BSD systems.  Is that'n your favorite?
[04:37] <tritium> --reinstall (two --)
[04:37] <carthik> what is the equivalent for gksudo in kubuntu, anyone?
[04:38] <erick> thomas what is BSD?
[04:38] <tritium> carthik, did you ask in #kubuntu?
[04:38] <raingrove> carlos, kdesudo i think kdesu
[04:38] <Aven> hi
[04:38] <Aven> anyone familiar with Webmin?
[04:38] <bill__> hi
[04:38] <leo> adm:x:4:root,leo
[04:38] <carthik> tritium, no I did not, any reason why I shouldn't ask here? :)
[04:38] <tritium> no, leo
[04:38] <Communist_FireFo> Hello
[04:38] <ThomasM> erick: A unix variant, similar in relationship to linux.  *BSD:Unix (almost as) linux:unix
[04:38] <leo> @#$&^???
[04:38] <tritium> carthik, well, since it's a kubuntu question, they might know ;)
[04:38] <tritium> leo, admin, not adm
[04:39] <leo> ok
[04:39] <rob_p> arghetlam:  You'll then be able to, "chmod 755 ./script.sh" and it should work.  You can always rename it to whatever you like later.
[04:39] <leo> jah jah this beer
[04:39] <Communist_FireFo> I can not wait for Ubuntu Breezy Badger to come out! Yeah!
[04:39] <bill__> can someone help me with how I install Skype
[04:39] <ThomasM> leo: And I could be wrong, but I think it's ':leo', not ',leo'
[04:39] <josh43> Heck yeah :)
[04:39] <tritium> leo, you can also user the adduser command to add a user to a group
[04:39] <Bad_Magic> im running breezy now
[04:39] <lui> anybody, gnome uses gtk2, right? and kde uses Qt? am I right?
[04:39] <Bad_Magic> its spiffy so far
[04:39] <Bad_Magic> =x
[04:39] <jeff_> erick: Try rssh for a restricted shell
[04:39] <leo> ok let me try
[04:39] <kevogod> http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/
[04:39] <tritium> lee, sudo adduser leo admin
[04:39] <tritium> leo ^^
[04:40] <josh43> SO, can someone tell me the real reason it's impossible to get hardware 3d right off the bat? WHy not binary drivers in the distro?
[04:40] <whiprush> ajmitch_: when!
[04:40] <ajmitch_> whiprush: oh man
[04:40] <lui> I'm just trying to know more about linux
[04:40] <fdr> josh43: legal issues.
[04:40] <josh43> lui: Kindof
[04:40] <erick> k jeff thanks
[04:40] <jeff_> josh43: Because they are property of the companies and the companies own the rights to them, not the linux distributions
[04:40] <tritium> josh43, there are binary drivers.  Which chipset?
[04:40] <jeff_> josh43: So that makes it a legal issue
[04:40] <ThomasM> tritium: Another nice tidbit.  I'm used to rolling these by hand.  /me squirrels away more of tritium's comments.
[04:40] <lui> josh43, ok, thanks
[04:40] <ajmitch_> whiprush: I should look for an op to deal with you ;)
[04:40] <arghetlam> rob_p: okay, now my computer's just spiting me. I put that in, hit enter, and all I get from there on out is ">"
[04:40] <josh43> Ok, so basically to get proper support, they need to gpl the linux drivers
[04:41] <tritium> ThomasM, you seem like an asset to the community.  I'm glad you've joined us!  :)
[04:41] <whiprush> heh
[04:41] <fdr> josh43: well, or BSD, or have some sort of sensible license
[04:41] <tritium> josh43, which chipset?
[04:41] <Communist_FireFo> I am using Mandrake Linux 10.0 right now - I am just waiting for ShipIt to send me my free Ubuntu  Breezy CD...
[04:41] <kevogod> *BSD includes binary-only drivers.
[04:41] <weob> is it possible to install kde on top of ubuntu breezy?
[04:41] <tritium> weob, yes, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:41] <fdr> josh43: they at least need to make it redistributable, although I found getting stuff working with many distros very easy nowadays
[04:41] <erick> I already create my smb user how about machine how will add my machine
[04:41] <weob> ok thanks
[04:41] <ThomasM> tritium: This channel is amazing for boredom relief.  An ADHD person would love it here.
[04:41] <rob_p> arghetlam:  You left out a, "`" then.  Try copying and pasting it at the command prompt.
[04:41] <leo> adduser: The group `admin' does not exist.
[04:42] <bimberi> ubotu tell bill__ about skype
[04:42] <jeff_> binary only != free (proprietary) drivers
[04:42] <xynamax> thanks for the good advice, in the future how can I check to see if I have a library installed before i go and install it
[04:42] <tritium> !tell josh43 about binarydriverhowto
[04:42] <rob_p> arghetlam:  ctrl-c to escape from the, ">"
[04:42] <Communist_FireFo> So do any of you guys run a web server on your Ubuntu computers?
[04:42] <fdr> Communist_FireFo: I used to run a thttpd server for ad-hoc stuff
[04:42] <kevogod> jeff_, And how does binary-only not equate to proprietary?
[04:42] <ThomasM> tritium: In about a week, I'll be sick of answering the same questions a dozen times, and will revert to lurker mode for a bit.  I'm going to have to go mentally index the wiki and start handing out URLs.
[04:42] <bill__> I am a total newbie on here - can someone help me with how I  go about installing a deb package for  Skype please
[04:42] <leo> you can not edit a binary
[04:43] <tritium> ThomasM, that's what ubotu is for ;)
[04:43] <Communist_FireFo> fdr: I am looking to set up a web server on my new Breezy shipment when it comes int
[04:43] <Communist_FireFo> *in...
[04:43] <bimberi> bill__: sudo dpkg -i <filename>.deb
[04:43] <konra`> does NO-ONE know when breezy comes out?
[04:43] <tritium> konra`, the 13th
[04:43] <xynamax> how can I modify my LD_LIBRARY_PATH enviroment variable
[04:43] <ThomasM> konra`: Before this time tomorrow.
[04:43] <fdr> Communist_FireFo: well, that varies from the simple to the complicated given the details of the problem
[04:43] <kevogod> konra`, October 13th
[04:43] <konra`> ahh.
[04:43] <konra`> thanks :p
[04:43] <bill__> thanks bimberi
[04:43] <ThomasM> konra`: fridge.ubuntu.com has it at 11:59 PM GMT time 2005-10-13
[04:43] <carthik> konra`, they are testing the installers...
[04:43] <Communist_FireFo> fdr: What do you mean?
[04:44] <bimberi> bill__: yw :)
[04:44] <kevogod> jeff_, How does binary-only not equate to proprietary?
[04:44] <arghetlam> rob_p: "When moving multiple files, last argument must be a directory."
[04:44] <fdr> Communist_FireFo: thttpd is really, really simple, and fast.  As in, good bye (most) dynamic content, if I have my story correct.
[04:44] <tritium> josh43, I had ubotu send you info.  Did you see it?
[04:44] <Kira> ubotu should be programmed to announce the "hour to Breezy Badger".
[04:44] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, Kira
[04:44] <fdr> Communist_FireFo: for example, no PHP
[04:44] <weob> dont use ati cards with lunix
[04:44] <fdr> Communist_FireFo: thttpd is described at http://www.acme.com/software/thttpd/
[04:44] <Communist_FireFo> fdr: ok
[04:44] <Kira> Yes I know, ubotu.
[04:44] <kevogod> weob, Why?
[04:45] <jeff_> kevogod: Distribution rights
[04:45] <weob> if you want 3d support
[04:45] <fdr> Communist_FireFo: but it's very limited, so if you were planning for some whiz bang stuff and dynamically generated pages, you are out of luck.
[04:45] <weob> i have an x800pro which still doesnt work with 3d support in linux
[04:45] <Communist_FireFo> fdr: I tried to establish a server on Mandrake Linux - but it failed on me
[04:45] <jeff_> the reason flash, mp3, nvidia 3d accelaration, blah is because of redistribution clauses in the free licenses
[04:45] <kevogod> jeff_, Anything binary-only is proprietary. It does not matter what distribution rights you are given.
[04:45] <rob_p> arghetlam:  You must have more than one file with the same sequence of characters in it then.  Modify my command to only match your filename.
[04:45] <cpalma> you could also try lighttpd
[04:45] <Communist_FireFo> fdr: I am looking to establish a web server on my 80GB hard drive
[04:45] <jeff_> kevogod: Not if you read ASM :)
[04:45] <Kira> weob: which is why I prefer nVidia. :)
[04:45] <frank23> kevogod: ati drivers for linux are much worse than nvidia drivers for linux so you never get the full performance of an ati card
[04:46] <fdr> Communist_FireFo: well, what are you intending to do with it?
[04:46] <fdr> Communist_FireFo: personal tinkering, and so forth?
[04:46] <weob> ya i ended up buying an nvidia card
[04:46] <Communist_FireFo> fdr: yes
[04:46] <kevogod> frank23, That is a phalacy.
[04:46] <rob_p> arghetlam:  "ls -l ./" for a list of files in the current dir.
[04:46] <weob> i will never use ati again
[04:46] <kevogod> --> fallacy
[04:46] <fdr> Communist_FireFo: Do you intend to use scripting languages such as PHP, Python, Ruby, or Perl?  Or is this strictly an (X)HTML job?
[04:46] <frank23> kevogod: a what? why?
[04:46] <tritium> josh43, sorry :)
[04:46] <weob> nvidia chips are developed on linux
[04:47] <chickenmonger> I've heard that for non-3d purposes, the support for Intel's graphics chipsets goes beyond anything ATI or Nvidia can put forth
[04:47] <weob> ya so
[04:47] <josh43> tritium: Which chipset for the card? or the mobo? nforce3 and 8900 pro respectably
[04:47] <weob> who cares about non-3d ?
[04:47] <fdr> I'm not particularly thrilled about some of nVIDIA practices, but I do own one of their cards.
[04:47] <weob> bill gates ?
[04:47] <kevogod> frank23, ATI's graphics support is not as bad as you make it out to be.
[04:47] <crimsun> (I do)
[04:47] <chickenmonger> MythTV wouldn't need 3d
[04:47] <fdr> and ATI fglrx worked fine for me when I had one
[04:47] <weob> of course not
[04:47] <tritium> weob, I do too
[04:47] <Communist_FireFo> fdr: All of those. But I am primarily focusing on HTML - I looking to host a bunch of websites on the new hard drive I have
[04:48] <Communist_FireFo> fdr: *I am
[04:48] <arghetlam> rob_p: Could I just change the filename from the desktop, or would that character still be there?
[04:48] <jeff_> Communist_FireFo: Apache is easy to setup
[04:48] <josh43> fdr: I think it would be a great idea for them to put a foot forward at least and let people have the flexibility and power they own
[04:48] <intelikey> weob me too ^
[04:48] <tritium> josh43, is the onboard disabled in the bios?  Which are you using?
[04:48] <rob_p> arghetlam:  You want to change the grep argument from, "linuxded" to something that will only match your filename.
[04:48] <fdr> josh43: what are you referring to?
[04:48] <rob_p> arghetlam:  You could try...
[04:49] <fdr> Communist_FireFo: a bunch? like, for money? or just for kicks?  Do your users have needs for such technologies? Because it sounds like what you need is Apache
[04:49] <rob_p> arghetlam:  I find it odd that it's there at all but this should remedy that.
[04:49] <josh43> tritium: it has no onboard card.. gigabyte, can't remember which one off the top of my head.. a64, nforce3, agp
[04:49] <josh43> fdr, The licensing
[04:49] <Communist_FireFo> jeff_:  The problem here is that in Mandrake you have to install of these damn dependencies...It's what Other Linux users call DEPENDENCY HELL...
[04:49] <frank23> kevogod: I'm pretty sure I'm right, unless things have changed recently
[04:49] <fdr> josh43: well, yeah, I'm firmly in that camp as well.
[04:49] <tritium> josh43, I'm referring to the video chipset specifically
[04:49] <rob_p> arghetlam:  I'll brb...
[04:49] <josh43> tritium: ati brand radeon 9800 pro.. 350
[04:49] <jeff_> Communist_FireFo: No, that term is rpm dependency hell. You dont have that on debian based distributions
[04:50] <kevogod> frank23, Then how come I can play games just fine on my crappy ATI X300?
[04:50] <kevogod> frank23, On Ubuntu
[04:50] <jeff_> Communist_FireFo: And on mandrake, the auto dependency resolution software is urpmi I believe
[04:50] <kevogod> Real 3D games!
[04:50] <tritium> josh43, okay, read ubotu's link about ATI binary drivers
[04:50] <TylerDurden> im about to throw up, can someone PLEASE tell me how to install a kernel? i have the .tar.gz file
[04:50] <fdr> jeff_: not so much anymore on rpm based distros either now that they have gained various package management features.
[04:50] <erick> Thomas I try this cmd chsh and change my shell without editing my /etc/passwd
[04:50] <Communist_FireFo> fdr: I need to set up a set for my organization and for my perosonal stuff
[04:50] <intelikey> jeff_: i'v never had deps problems on mdk either.
[04:50] <tritium> TylerDurden, sorry to hear you're sick.  Hope you feel better soon...
[04:50] <crimsun> TylerDurden: why do you need a new kernel?
[04:51] <fdr> Communist_FireFo: okay, no doubt about it, Apache is almost a forgone conclusion
[04:51] <frank23> kevogod: I didn't say it doesn't work, but that you lose performance with ati because of their drivers
[04:51] <josh43> tritium, Been there, done that unfortunately.. I even got so far as to (once) have the card show up in flgrxinfo, but it still didn't do opengl in hardware
[04:51] <weob> ati = d3d = ms suckers
[04:51] <fdr> Communist_FireFo: unfortunately that means you are going to have to muck around in the config files, which are notoriously fragile at times
[04:51] <TylerDurden> crimsun, does it reall ymatter? i wanna install a kernel over a kernel but the kernel i want to install over a a kernel needs a specific kernel which is 2.6.13.2
[04:51] <kevogod> frank23, And do you have some conclusive evidence of this?
[04:51] <ThomasM> erick: You can change your shell freely while working.  The change you make in /etc/passwd changes the shell for what the user logs in to.  /bin/false makes it un-loginable.  /bin/csh changes your default to csh
[04:51] <tritium> josh43, oh, okay
[04:51] <frank23> kevogod: first hand, no
[04:51] <Communist_FireFo> fdr: Yeah, I know what you mean.
[04:51] <Communist_FireFo> it's a total pain in the ass
[04:51] <GatoMoteado> well i downloaded and installed the w32 codecs for breezy......when i run totem and try to play a wmv file i get the same error
[04:52] <GatoMoteado> no decoders found
[04:52] <erick> thats mny goal to adduser that does not need to log on my machine locally
[04:52] <jeff_> fdr: Debian was the first for automated dependency resolution. Then came yellowdog which included yum which redhat ported to fedora and mdk created urpmi
[04:52] <whiprush> crimsun: how close are you to raleigh?
[04:52] <josh43> tritium, Thank you though, those links are definately helpful and have taught me alot, but I still cannot get 3d properly
[04:52] <crimsun> TylerDurden: yes, it really does matter, because unless you have a fairly thorough understanding of Ubuntu's kernel packaging, you may find stuff well and broken.
[04:52] <jeff_> suse has you or red carpet which also work ok
[04:52] <fdr> jeff_: pfft. BSD, my friend,  apt is but a capable copy
[04:52] <jeff_> but debian based distros with apt-get always win
[04:52] <TylerDurden> crimsun, do u mind vncing me?
[04:52] <Communist_FireFo> I did not use urpmi
[04:52] <jeff_> fdr: ahhh ports.
[04:52] <bugzElMagnifico> OK 560 megas of downlaod.... I guess I'll head off for a while... catchall later
[04:52] <crimsun> whiprush: I'll be in Raleigh tomorrow evening for the LUG meeting; I'm in Greensboro, an hour and some minutes west of Raleigh.
[04:53] <xynamax> I need to remove a package I installed with make
[04:53] <jeff_> fdr: OpenBSD = my firewall
[04:53] <fdr> jeff_: indeed, simple, and works pretty well, and is the basis of Gentoo's philosphy kind of
[04:53] <rob_p> arghetlam:  I'm back.  Any luck yet?
[04:53] <whiprush> crimsun: ok rocking, so jdub will be linking up down there during the tour. sweet.
[04:53] <axeus> Erm.
[04:53] <crimsun> yep, in Nov.
[04:53] <fdr> Communist_FireFo: there are countless apache guides, but I think that when you get a new daemon off the Ubuntu repos that they typically are enabled for you
[04:53] <axeus> Is there a place I can search for packages?
[04:53] <jeff_> axeus: Synaptic
[04:53] <fdr> Communist_FireFo: so, barring a firewall, I bet after installing apache you can visit http://127.0.0.1 and get a page
[04:53] <TylerDurden> crimsun, so can u VNC me please?
[04:53] <rob_p> axeus:  apt-cache search <string>
[04:53] <arghetlam> rob_p - Actually, yes! I managed to rename it, and I ran the chmod 755 without it screaming at me.
[04:54] <fdr> jeff_: I would use it more if had better hardware support, but really...the kernel doesn't matter that much to me
[04:54] <rob_p> arghetlam:  Cool!  Now you should be able to execute it.
[04:54] <arghetlam> . . .
[04:54] <crimsun> TylerDurden: sorry, not unless it's tunneled.
[04:54] <a_monkey> when i install xfonts-artwiz with apt it doesn't work
[04:54] <Communist_FireFo> fdr: I am planning to istall it through apt-get on my new Breezy system when the release CD's get here
[04:54] <arghetlam> rob_p: . . .I am going to end EA.
[04:54] <TylerDurden> what do u mean crimsun
[04:54] <jeff_> fdr: obsd is not for a desktop. It was never designed for and probably never will be
[04:54] <arghetlam> rob_p: I go through all that, and I get a bad checksum.
[04:54] <a_monkey> i execute "sudo apt-get install xfonts-artwiz"
[04:54] <a_monkey> and restart X
[04:54] <ThomasM> rob_p: I commend you.  You have a great deal more patience than I do.
[04:54] <fdr> jeff_: oh, that much the authors come clean on
[04:55] <jeff_> fdr: It makes the best wireless access point, firewall, or dns server of all time though
[04:55] <Gorgonzola> anyone here installed the Apache Axis?
[04:55] <rob_p> ThomasM:  :-)
[04:55] <a_monkey> but the artwiz font doesn't seem to be available
[04:55] <TylerDurden> crimsun, ok well can you tell me how to installa  kernel then?
[04:55] <fdr> jeff_: I'm more of a development sort myself, so anything suites me
[04:55] <jeff_> fdr: Yes, and theo with his infinite elitist-ism doesn't realize that linux will overtake him soon enough
[04:55] <rob_p> arghetlam:  Bummer :-(
[04:55] <jeff_> fdr: /me == Unix / Linux admin
[04:55] <jrattner1> is breezy out yet?
[04:55] <DShepherd> breezy where are you? :(
[04:56] <fdr> jeff_: "bsd is dying" has been arond as long as the ATT suit
[04:56] <sberard> Is anyone else missing the firefox start page?
[04:56] <ThomasM> I don't see anything on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat for channel rules.  Is there a channel FAQ somewhere out there?  (Usually try to be careful not to step over lines I don't know about.)
[04:56] <Communist_FireFo> Has anyone ordered Ubuntu through ShipIt?
[04:56] <Venson> Communist_FireFo: i have before
[04:56] <ThomasM> sberard: I don't miss it at all, once I set my home page to 'about:blank'.  :P
[04:56] <fdr> Communist_FireFo: I bet you should just give it a shot, and then read some guides, have some problems, and then probably talk in #apache (or wherever their channel is) for specific advice.
[04:56] <Gorgonzola> Communist_FireFo, I have in the past
[04:56] <crimsun> TylerDurden: be aware that Ubuntu's kernel is pretty tightly bound to userspace features, but sure.
[04:56] <jrattner1> has the official release come out yet
[04:56] <jeff_> fdr: That should be rephrased... Unix is dying and linux is rising
[04:56] <crimsun> TylerDurden: grab kernel-package and use it to create a deb
[04:56] <ThomasM> Communist_FireFo: I've got an order in.  Haven't checked its status in a week or two, but it's only been about 3 weeks since I put it in.
[04:56] <TylerDurden> crimsun, i really need to install it
[04:56] <jeff_> Openbsd = BSD = Unix
[04:56] <fdr> jeff_: well, technically Unix is only SCO Unix, so yes, it is in fact dead.
[04:56] <Communist_FireFo> Venson: How long did you have to wait for it?
[04:57] <rob_p> arghetlam:  Well, good luck with it all.
[04:57] <jrattner1> someone pm me when breezy is out
[04:57] <TylerDurden> crimsun, im really new, but i need to install this kernel, how do i do that?
[04:57] <Venson> Communist_FireFo: a loooooooong time......which i hope isn't the case this time around
[04:57] <Gorgonzola> Communist_FireFo, I had to wait about a month and a half for my 5.04 discs to reach Australia
[04:57] <jeff_> TylerDurden: Why do you "Really need to install it"?
[04:57] <fdr> jeff_: well, about as close to dead as one cares to get.
[04:57] <Communist_FireFo> Gorgonzola: I live in America
[04:57] <Toma-> hello there Venson :D
[04:57] <nalioth> cameron
[04:57] <TylerDurden> http://users.pandora.be/seppe/nitro/2.6.13.2-nitro1/series
[04:57] <TylerDurden> sigh ytf does it matter? seriously
[04:57] <crimsun> /msg jrattner1 breezy colony 5 is out kthx
[04:58] <sberard> ThomasM: It's annoying that the start page doesn't work, since a recent update was suppose to address this issue
[04:58] <Venson> hey Toma-
[04:58] <TylerDurden> what matters is that i need to install it, why do you have to question it?
[04:58] <jeff_> fdr: when I said unix, I mean everything posix != Linux. We are switching from HP-UX to linux as I speak
[04:58] <chiddy> GatoMoteado, try opening up a terminal and get the w32codecs package from Hoary and install it using dpkg: wget ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb
[04:58] <Toma-> are u switching to the Ub too?
[04:58] <arghetlam> rob_p: Oh, if it doesn't work, the CEO of EA is going to wake up with a 120 gig HDD sticking out of his forehead.
[04:58] <whiprush> NITRO!
[04:58] <chiddy> GatoMoteado, I did that on Breezy and it worked for me
[04:58] <sberard> ThomasM: I guess I can set my own home page
[04:58] <Gorgonzola> Communist_FireFo, the envelope says they come from Switzerland, so it still wont be break-neck speed :)
[04:58] <ThomasM> sberard: Can't you copy-paste the value out of an old configuration?
[04:58] <Venson> Toma-: not sure yet....looking for reasons to
[04:58] <Toma-> i see
[04:58] <ThomasM> sberard: There's nothing really on firefox start that's not on http://google.com/
[04:58] <fdr> TylerDurden: because when you have about a million problems they'll have to be mysteriously diagnosed, and with a different kernel you have one huge unknown.
[04:58] <Gorgonzola> anyone here installed the Apache Axis?
[04:58] <ThomasM> sberard: And it's always fun to accidentally encounter one of google's modified logos.
[04:58] <intelikey> ubutu's kernel !!!!   hehhe i'd have to recompile one.   i'm not gona boot an initrd.img along with a kernel image....
[04:59] <Venson> Toma-: i'm trying to convert the n00bs at school to linux, however.....and thinking of putting them on Ubuntu
[04:59] <Abysmal> hey all.. i have a question.. I have kubuntu running behind a firewall, and I can't hit apache from outside.. but if i switch the the ip to point to my windows box i can hit the webserver on it.. is the something i have to config on kubuntu to get it to accept the traffic??
[04:59] <Communist_FireFo> That would at least take three weeks here...
[04:59] <TylerDurden> fdr? what?
[04:59] <jeff_> TylerDurden: Because you are new to linux. I listen to you on IRC. You are new to linux and dont know what you need. You just ask lots of questions
[04:59] <TylerDurden> i just want to install the kernel
[04:59] <sberard> ThomasM: yeah, just really annoying that the default start page is missing.  Anyone who does an update to breezy is going to have this problem
[04:59] <TylerDurden> whats the big deal
[04:59] <ThomasM> Abysmal: It's likely that apache is bound to listen only on the local interface.
[04:59] <Toma-> Venson: kubuntu is a little more win-user-orientated i spose with kde and all
[04:59] <Communist_FireFo> because I reside in NYC
[04:59] <sberard> ThomasM: unless they set there own page
[04:59] <jeff_> TylerDurden: What do you "Need a new kernel" for?
[04:59] <Venson> Toma-: that's a good thing.....these guys aren't exactly pros
[04:59] <TylerDurden> wow
[04:59] <Abysmal> how do i change that??
[04:59] <Gorgonzola> sberard, a lot of people prefer not to have a star page
[04:59] <ThomasM> Abysmal: Look at /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default if using apache2
[04:59] <Venson> Communist_FireFo: where at?
[04:59] <fdr> oops, there he goes.
[04:59] <axeus> Rawr.
[05:00] <Communist_FireFo> Venson: Brooklyn
[05:00] <Venson> Communist_FireFo: Queens here
[05:00] <whiprush> man, that dude is in for an exploding machine.
[05:00] <fdr> jeff_: shrug.  Maybe.  I think for  stuff requiring more robustness Solaris and a BSD will make strong showings.
[05:00] <Hendric> gud morning y'all
[05:00] <rob_p> Abysmal:  ...also, make sure you don't have port 80 blocked on your kubuntu box (such as with a local firewall).
[05:00] <axeus> I'm trying to compile ZSENS and It's telling me: The sdl-config script installed by SDL could not be found
[05:00] <axeus> . I thought SDL was installed?
[05:00] <Communist_FireFo> Venson: I see - I live six blocks way from the brooklyn queens border
[05:00] <sberard> Gorgonzola: I agree.  I used to just use the default firefox start, but now I get an error when starting firefox that it is missing
[05:00] <Hendric> i just woke up..
[05:00] <jeff_> fdr: I agree. and HP-UX still has nonstop. Nonstop servers scale to infinite cpus. Linux can't match that
[05:00] <Venson> Communist_FireFo: cool...you go to any LUGs?
[05:00] <Abysmal> port 80 is forwared to the box..
[05:01] <Abysmal> thanks thomasm
[05:01] <Communist_FireFo> Venson: No. They do not have any where I live at
[05:01] <Gorgonzola> sberard, oh sorry, i thought you mena it was just set to 'about:blank' - i didn't realise you meant it is actually missing the page it should be pointing to
[05:01] <sberard> Gorgonzola: It happended after upgrading to breezy
[05:01] <fdr> jeff_: I see linux as a bit like a MySQL, except with more features relative to its competition.  It helps that the standard isn't huge, either.
[05:01] <Venson> Communist_FireFo: ah ok...just wondering.
[05:01] <Gorgonzola> in that, yeh thats a problem :)
[05:01] <fdr> jeff_: you will still have worthy competitors like postgres.
[05:01] <Gorgonzola> in that case rather
[05:01] <Communist_FireFo> Venson: Otherwise I would have gone
[05:01] <jeff_> fdr: Again, you are correct. It is dominating the low end like webservers.
[05:01] <Communist_FireFo> Venson: You go to any LUG's?
[05:02] <ThomasM> Abysmal: Look for a line that says 'Allow from 127.0.0.1' under <Directory /var/www/ >
[05:02] <Venson> Communist_FireFo: nah...
[05:02] <rata> breezy would be out 13/10 UTC ? UTC -3 ? anyone know ?
[05:02] <fdr> jeff_: still, developing on windows makes my mind bleed.
[05:02] <Venson> school sucks away all my time, energy and life
[05:02] <ThomasM> Abysmal: Change that to 'Allow from all' and you'll be fixed.  Just make sure you keep on top of your server's security if you're exposing it to the Net.
[05:02] <jeff_> fdr: However, xensource, ibm, sgi, novell, redhat, are making linux increasingly making it viable for the big stuff
[05:02] <intelikey> LUG is that like an AA meating for computer junkies ?
[05:02] <jeff_> lugs are cool
[05:03] <Communist_FireFo> Venson: I am a active revolutionary workerist - but I have the time to go to LUG's - if there were any around here.
[05:03] <fdr> jeff_:  that's true.  It's "just a kernel" after all.  Maybe it's better that various forks are adopted to various purposes intead of having completely different code bases.
[05:03] <ThomasM> LUG lists are very cool.  I never attend LUG meetings (though I should).  But I do read lots and lots of email, and archive it all away for whenever I have a problem.
[05:03] <fdr> jeff_: well, actually, I shouldn't put that in quotes, really, the dropping of GNU is a shame since the GNU utilites make up so much more than the kernel itself.
[05:03] <jeff_> fdr: You actually missed my point. Those companies are adding the enterprise features to the kernel
[05:04] <ThomasM> From what I've seen, TriLUG (the Triangle-area LUG, where RedHat is located) has about the most active and helpful list.  There are people from all over the country that subscribe and contribute.
[05:04] <Abysmal> ThomasM.. the only allow 127... is in the docs dir.. /var/www/ has allow from all set
[05:04] <jeff_> fdr: SGI has managed to get linux to scale to more processors than anyone else
[05:04] <fdr> jeff_: I don't think so-- not all "enterprise" features are necessary for all applications, some of which have different requirements.  So we may start seeing many different blends of the kernel, which I suggested may not be a bad thing.
[05:04] <jeff_> fdr: yep
[05:04] <ThomasM> Abysmal: Do you have any firewall solution in place on your linux box?  Can another computer _inside_ your LAN view the web site?
[05:05] <fdr> jeff_: strange though, SGI is so half-dead.
[05:05] <Communist_FireFo> ONE HOUR LEFT..
[05:05] <Maikeru> when are they releasing it?
[05:05] <josh43> General Q: What's the best newsreader app - esp if I am used to RSS Owl?
[05:05] <Maikeru> what time zone?
[05:05] <Communist_FireFo> I think eastern
[05:05] <jeff_> fdr: SGI died because they stopped innovating
[05:05] <Maikeru> josh43, I use pan
[05:05] <Communist_FireFo> American Eastern Time
[05:05] <Maikeru> I love it
[05:05] <Abysmal> i can see it from inside the lan.. i haven't added any firewal software.. is there anything on by default??
[05:05] <antDEngineer> i know you all prob already mentioned this but what time is breezy set for????
[05:05] <ThomasM> Communist_FireFo: It's supposed to be fully released by 23:59 2005-10-13 GMT, which is about 21 hours from now.
[05:06] <fdr> jeff_: I know not much about SGI, only that they were prevalent in my youth.
[05:06] <Maikeru> !ubuntuguide
[05:06] <barnett> breezy comes out the 13th! Join #ubuntucountdown for festivities!
[05:06] <ubotu> somebody said ubuntuguide was out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide will soon be the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[05:06] <Maikeru> ah, that was the cmd
[05:06] <Maikeru> !faq
[05:06] <ubotu> rumour has it, faq is The Ubuntu FAQ Guide: select System -> Help (in Breezy), or http://doc.ubuntu.com/gnome/faqi386/C/
[05:06] <Communist_FireFo> ThomasM:  Yes; but the fridge said it would start at 0:00
[05:06] <fdr> jeff_: Sun, in my case, is a more interesting company; they have so much talent, yet just seem to have trouble.
[05:06] <ThomasM> Communist_FireFo: Which was 3 hours ago.
[05:06] <ThomasM> Communist_FireFo: It's GMT.
[05:07] <Communist_FireFo> ThomasM: Oh
[05:07] <jeff_> fdr: sun has lots of talent. They have confused executives who can't make up their minds
[05:07] <antDEngineer> !faq
[05:07] <ubotu> it has been said that faq is The Ubuntu FAQ Guide: select System -> Help (in Breezy), or http://doc.ubuntu.com/gnome/faqi386/C/
[05:07] <arghetlam> rob_p: SUCCESS! W00T!
[05:07] <Communist_FireFo> Thanks for reminding me
[05:07] <Maikeru> hmm
[05:07] <bytefoo> sun doesnt know what they want to be
[05:07] <Maikeru> it shoulda come out the 14th
[05:07] <bytefoo> so they make poor business decisions
[05:07] <rob_p> Abysmal:  By default there should be no packet filtering in place.  Did you reload the Webserver after modifying the config?
[05:07] <Maikeru> instead of 13th
[05:07] <fdr> jeff_:  I have to admit though...the know how to write an operating system.
[05:07] <rob_p> arghetlam:  Cool!  Glad to hear it.
[05:07] <josh43> Maikeru, For RSS?
[05:07] <ThomasM> I asked this earlier, and didn't get a response.  Just wanted to confirm: I don't see anything on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat for channel rules.  Is there a channel FAQ somewhere out there?  (Usually try to be careful not to step over lines I don't know about.)
[05:08] <Maikeru> oh, no josh, sorry
[05:08] <jeff_> fdr: Solaris is rock stable. Dtrace far surpasses anything remotely close to what linux has
[05:08] <Maikeru> for RSS I just use Mozilla's live bookmark thing
[05:08] <Maikeru> (Firefox's)
[05:08] <bytefoo> i use bloglines.com :/
[05:08] <Razor-X> jeff_: is Solaris more stable than BSD? (never played around with Solaris)
[05:08] <josh43> Maikeru, Ah, ok, I was starting to think I had mis-judged pan ;)
[05:08] <Maikeru> I don't really use RSS though
[05:08] <tritium> !tell ThomasM about coc
[05:08] <ThomasM> josh43: I'm pretty fond of 'snownews', a console client, but I don't use linux for desktop/graphical machines.
[05:09] <Maikeru> but for newsgroup (I thought that's what you meant), I use pan on Linux and when using windows I user thunderbird
[05:09] <tritium> ThomasM, the channel rules are basically the Code of Conduct I had ubotu send you
[05:09] <jeff_> Razor-X: I've worked on Solaris 7 and 8. For those, I would say yes. They never die
[05:09] <Abysmal> oops
[05:09] <Kira> !tell me about coc
[05:09] <ThomasM> tritium: Wouldn't it be wise to have that in the /topic, or is it out of room for more content?
[05:09] <ducky_> what is the best way to enable framebuffer on boot?
[05:09] <tritium> ThomasM, perhaps, or even the wiki page
[05:10] <Razor-X> jeff_: cool, meh, a high-school student doesen't really have the money to even think about Solaris :P
[05:10] <Maikeru> night y'all
[05:10] <fdr> Razor-X: isn't 10 free or something? or even Free?
[05:10] <Maikeru> I'mma go eat ice cream and fall asleep
[05:10] <bytefoo> solaris is free dude :/
[05:10] <josh43> ThomasM, That sounds pretty cool, but most of my feeds have inline pics (like dilbert)
[05:10] <Maikeru> one last question
[05:10] <Razor-X> fdr: it is?
[05:10] <ThomasM> tritium: That'd be good, as that page is for all the various channels.
[05:10] <jeff_> Razor-X: Yes you do. You can get older solaris off of ebay for free. I got an Ultrasparc 10 fro $150
[05:10] <Maikeru> what is win4lin exactly?
[05:10] <fdr> Razor-X: I do believe reading something to that effect on slashdot
[05:10] <intelikey> ducky_: i thought it was by default
[05:10] <Razor-X> jeff_: oh wow, I may have just enough money for that
[05:11] <ThomasM> josh43: If it's only true of a few of your feeds, then you can always press 'o' to open the current link in your choice of browser.  If a lot of your feeds are graphical, then, yeah, it's useless to you.
[05:11] <Razor-X> jeff_: but, i'm probably going to invest that in books, because I really don't have the _time_ to play around with Solaris yet :P
[05:11] <fdr> Razor-X: you could always play with solaris x86 though.
[05:11] <ducky_> intelikey, well I did the default install and it wasn't for me
[05:11] <jeff_> Razor-X: Also, Solaris 10 is released in a weird sun free license
[05:11] <bytefoo> it's completely free
[05:11] <bytefoo> http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/get.jsp
[05:11] <cafuego_> Not that an ultrasparc is highly useful...
[05:11] <ThomasM> josh43: 'apt-cache search rss' should provide some useful lists.
[05:11] <jeff_> Razor-X: Non gpl compatible, but free as in beer
[05:11] <Abysmal> anyone running with a wrt54g and have any problems with it??
[05:11] <josh43> ThomasM, I'm going to import my opml and see how it goes, thanks :)
[05:11] <Razor-X> jeff_: I've read the Sun free license meself
[05:11] <Maikeru> second time I've heard free as in beer tonight
[05:11] <whiprush> cafuego_: you can send them back to sun and get a rebate on an opteron one though. :)
[05:11] <Maikeru> mmm...beer
[05:11] <cafuego_> Abysmal: Nope, works fine.
[05:11] <Maikeru> neway
[05:11] <jeff_> Razor-X: What do you want to do with 'nix, administer, or develop?
[05:11] <bytefoo> Abysmal, i'm running it and i have no problems with it
[05:11] <josh43> Abysmal, YES AND YES
[05:11] <intelikey> ducky_: 5.04 or 5.10 ?
[05:11] <fdr> jeff_: so they haven't gotten around to completely opening the source yet?  ironic, since I think I also heard DTrace, their "cool thing" is in fact Free
[05:12] <Razor-X> jeff_: both, actually :P, more emphasis on develop though, but I definitely wouldn't mind trying to become a sysadmin
[05:12] <Maikeru> shutdown -r now
[05:12] <Abysmal> cafuego.. are yiu running a web server behind it??
[05:12] <Maikeru> whoops
[05:12] <Maikeru> night
[05:12] <frank23> Abysmal: I have to reset mine (wrt54g) every few days
[05:12] <ThomasM> Maikeru: mmm... beer is right.  Thanks for making me think that, and discover an empty fridge.
[05:12] <jeff_> fdr: CCDL or whatever the solaris license name is = free code. But it is not gpl compatible
[05:12] <ducky_> intelikey, Linux localhost 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Mon Oct 10 11:15:41 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[05:12] <cafuego_> Abysmal: No, it's just being an AP in an office in the city.
[05:12] <Nomad_> I have to say this is by far the best distro of linux I have ever used.  Just incredible work!!
[05:12] <fdr> jeff_: beh, maybe not, but does it carry the redistributable/modification properties of the GPL?
[05:12] <Abysmal> to config it all i should have to do is point port 80 at my linux box right?
[05:12] <barnett> remember to join the countdown! #ubuntucountdown
[05:13] <annex> Nomad_: thanks, I'll accept donations for all my work
[05:13] <annex> ;-)
[05:13] <chpts> anyone has tired solaris 10 on x86?
[05:13] <axeus> Where is libsdl installed by default?
[05:13] <jeff_> Razor-X: Buy these 3 books. Hacking Linux Exposed, Maximum Security - A hackers guide to protecting your system, and Securing and optimizing linux the hacking solution
[05:13] <bytefoo> that book is lol :|
[05:13] <Razor-X> jeff_: how much do they cost, around?
[05:13] <jeff_> Razor-X: Let me go grab them
[05:14] <Razor-X> I just spent $36 yesterday on a book for my mom and Knife of Dreams
[05:14] <fdr> jeff_: bah, you cannot defeat the K&R, the SICP, and the P&H :P
[05:14] <axeus> LOL n/m
[05:14] <Razor-X> that felt so... so... draining -_-
[05:14] <axeus> I mean't.. where is the configuration file located.
[05:14] <_n00blar_> hi all, quick question...I'm trying to open an ssh session from my laptop to my ubuntu box and I get connection refused. Do I have to add my laptop to the hosts.allow file?
[05:14] <fdr> jeff_: of course, calling that comparison of book types "specious" would be merely an understatement.
[05:14] <ThomasM> Abysmal: I asked you earlier, and it'll help with what's currently going on: can other computers on your LAN (inside your firewall) access the site?
[05:14] <ThomasM> Abysmal: If so, then you know the problem is with the firewall.  If not, then you know the problem's with the server.  Divide and conquer.
[05:15] <rob_p> _n00blar_:  Did you install an ssh server on you Ubuntu box?
[05:15] <intelikey> ducky_: that's odd.  i'v installed hoary several times and it always enables fb by default.  in fact the text is too small on my small monitor, i have to set it to vga=781 or larger.
[05:15] <Abysmal> ThomasM... yes inside all 192.168 units can hit it
[05:15] <cafuego_> Abysmal: make sure it's not blocking stuff, then port forward port 80.
[05:15] <a_monkey> does anybody know about my artwiz deal?
[05:15] <_n00blar_> rob_p, hmm...well, I don't think so...I do have the ssh client..
[05:15] <jeff_> Razor-X: Hacking Exposed 5th ED: $49.99USD, Max Security: $49.99USD, Securing & Optimizing Linux: $56.95USD
[05:15] <arghetlam> rob_p: Umm. . .what was the command to set to executable again?
[05:15] <ducky_> inc|freaky, I have two monitors maybe that's why it didn't set it up
[05:15] <cafuego_> Abysmal: If all else fails, you could try openwrt.
[05:15] <ThomasM> Abysmal: I can access your site from here.
[05:15] <ducky_> er that was for intelikey
[05:15] <jeff_> Razor-X: That is from the back cover. You could probably find them cheaper on amazon
[05:15] <ThomasM> Abysmal: It is correctly forwarding.
 what should i allow??
[05:16] <Razor-X> jeff_: wow!
[05:16] <ThomasM> Abysmal: In /var/www, you currently only have a directory called apache2-default, yes?
[05:16] <jeff_> Razor-X: You want to learn, that is how you do it.
[05:16] <rob_p> ducky_:  This may help you enable frame buffer if it's not already enabled:  http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2001-12/msg00071.html
[05:16] <weob> rather download it for free
[05:16] <intelikey> could be.
[05:16] <Abysmal> thomasm.. yes.. if i point it to may windows box i can hit the iis server running, but if i forward to the linux box i get nothing from the outside..
[05:16] <rob_p> arghetlam:  chmod 755 filename
[05:16] <jeff_> Razor-X: To be an admin, you must know how to hack
[05:16] <Abysmal> hold
[05:17] <arghetlam> rob_p: Thanks.
[05:17] <Razor-X> jeff_: I realized that, meh :P
[05:17] <_n00blar_> rob_p, is that reason why scp will not work?
[05:17] <Razor-X> jeff_: thanks, i'll save up for those
[05:17] <cafuego_> Abysmal: port 80 tcp
[05:17] <bytefoo> yeah and to know how to hack you definately don't buy those books lol :|
 yes.. port 80..
[05:17] <Abysmal> ThomasM yes only that one file
[05:17] <khermans> Breezy status?? lol
[05:17] <ThomasM> Abysmal: I just said.  I _can_ access your linux box from here.  Please enlighten me on what the problem is.
[05:17] <Denski> does anyone know when will the breezy final release will be out?
[05:17] <ThomasM> Abysmal: Create a file in /var/www and I'll tell you what its name is to prove it.
[05:17] <Denski> i thought it was oct 13
[05:17] <nalioth> Denski: tomorrow
[05:17] <rob_p> _n00blar_:  If you want to install an ssh server, do a, "sudo apt-get install openssh-server"
[05:17] <cafuego_> Denski: When it's ready.
[05:17] <josh43> khermans, "Not out yet" ;)
[05:18] <Denski> oh tomorrow
[05:18] <khermans> i know, but...
[05:18] <ThomasM> Denski: 23:59 Oct 13 GMT, which is a little less than 21 hours away.
[05:18] <khermans> i am just wondering if it will be before 9 am tomorrow
[05:18] <Denski> thanks nalioth
[05:18] <Abysmal> I cant hit it from outside..  let me try again
[05:18] <Razor-X> jeff_: I get $3 lunch money per-day, that's pretty much what constitutes my income
[05:18] <cafuego_> khermans: If it's ready before then, then yes.
[05:18] <Denski> thanks khermans
[05:18] <khermans> is there any sort of pager system so that i can be notified immmediately?
[05:18] <jeff_> Razor-X: High school with no summer job?
[05:18] <cafuego_> khermans: No, nobody has been that desperate about it ;-)
[05:18] <ThomasM> khermans: They started a few hours ago, so some things could be up and ready tomorrow morning, especially if you're using the UK servers.
[05:19] <Razor-X> jeff_: not allowed a summer job
[05:19] <khermans> i am desperate!
[05:19] <josh43> khermans, You could sic a program on ubuntu.com and have it notify of changes
[05:19] <Razor-X> jeff_: nor do I have the time for one
[05:19] <khermans> we have a LUG event tomorrow, and want to hand out cds
[05:19] <barnett> just a reminder, the countdown is raging! #ubuntucountdown, join now for the fun
[05:19] <cafuego_> khermans: yes, we did notice ;-)
[05:19] <khermans> josh43, yeah but didnt want to bog them down
[05:19] <jeff_> Razor-X: Learn web design. Thats what I did in high school for money
[05:19] <Abysmal> Thomas.. what ip did you use???
[05:19] <Razor-X> barnett: ok, ok :P
[05:19] <Razor-X> jeff_: I know some web-design, but again, it's time
[05:19] <ThomasM> Abysmal: From your /whois: CPE0013103d64b0-CM001225704f0c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
[05:19] <tga> khermans, give them Hoarys and hope they don't notice
[05:19] <Razor-X> jeff_: I would like to manage our network though, because I know much more than our admins do
[05:19] <khermans> tga, no way dude
[05:19] <jeff_> Razor-X: Those 3 books alone will teach you more than 90% of the script kiddies know
[05:20] <barnett> lol
[05:20] <ThomasM> Abysmal: Which should work out to 69.192.204.24
[05:20] <jeff_> Razor-X: Thats believable. I was the same in high school
[05:20] <Razor-X> jeff_: 2 AP classes and summer courses makes for a lot of work
[05:20] <jeff_> yes
[05:20] <louix> :-)
[05:20] <Razor-X> I'm going to try and ask that, because, I want income :P
[05:20] <josh43> khermans, Maybe there is an ubuntu rss feed?
[05:20] <khermans> Seriously, I want to be notified ASAP when the torrent is online, I can even help host it on a 1 Gb pipe at my university for the first few days
[05:20] <louix> *is there a ubuntu rss feed that i can bookmark
[05:21] <leonel> Breezy come out come out  please !
[05:21] <crimsun> khermans: trust me, when it's out, you'll know.
[05:21] <Abysmal> ok.. i use dyndns and my alais is kpr.homeip.net and if i use that i get nothing..
[05:21] <khermans> yeah, rss is good, but i rather have an sms msg sent to my cell imediately
[05:21] <Razor-X> khermans: can you give me a memoserv memo if you serve it?
[05:21] <Toma-> is there a way to speed up the "Reading database" part of apt? i do have alot of packages installed...
[05:21] <Trashcan> I installed samba (sudo apt-get install samba) and now I can't see the computers on my network
[05:21] <jeff_> seeders are gods gift to linux distros
[05:21] <crimsun> Toma-: install more RAM and get a faster processor.
[05:21] <louix> sms msg to cell is expensive for me lol
[05:21] <Trashcan> but I could see them before
[05:21] <khermans> Razor-X, memoserv memo?
[05:21] <josh43> khermans, There's no automated way to do that
[05:21] <Toma-> thought so.
[05:21] <khermans> josh43, yes there is -- package smssend
[05:21] <Razor-X> khermans: yeah, if i'm not in the channel, memoserv can deliver messages
[05:21] <louix> ubuntu is running very fast on my 64mb of ram 633mhz machine
[05:21] <louix> im surprised
[05:22] <louix> just like the BeOS R5/R6 days
[05:22] <jeff_> louix: With gnome?
[05:22] <josh43> khermans, I mean specifically sms you when the torrent goes up
[05:22] <louix> with gnome its somewhat sluggish
[05:22] <louix> i run xfce normally
[05:22] <Razor-X> louix: use ratpoison :P
[05:22] <louix> thanx
[05:22] <josh43> louix, Howabout enlightenment e17?
[05:22] <louix> enlightenment runs fine
[05:22] <khermans> josh43, yeah when the symbolic link from releases.ubuntu.com/beezy is updated from RC to Official -- send an sms msg ;-)
[05:22] <weob> anyone got WoW workin on ubuntu?
[05:22] <jeff_> louix: Ok, I have xfce on my parents 128mb ram athlon k7 and was going to say.
[05:22] <Razor-X> ... I just realized that the default control character of ratpoison overrides the Mozilla tab control shortcut
[05:22] <fdr> Razor-X: heresy! windowmaker, for the functional sorts.
[05:22] <josh43> khermans, I'm not a pc, and no :P
[05:23] <Razor-X> fdr: too fat for me :P
[05:23] <louix> jeff_: fluxbox is so much better for me
[05:23] <louix> jeff_: Im lazy when it comes to configuring the menus for it though ... so i stuck with xfce
[05:23] <jeff_> Razor-X: openbox and ion3 are good
[05:23] <Razor-X> oh well, good that I don't use Mozilla :P
[05:23] <jeff_> I dont like flux
[05:23] <ThomasM> Abysmal: You probably just need to get the dyndns client installed.  Make sure to tell it to look up your external IP, as the IP the machine reports will be useless to the outside world.
[05:23] <louix> and icewm
[05:23] <louix> i <3 icewm
[05:23] <louix> even though its ugly
[05:23] <Razor-X> jeff_: i've heard a lot about ion (and i've heard of openbox too)
[05:23] <khermans> Razor-X, why do you want me to use memoserv again?
[05:23] <louix> ion3 is like pwm
[05:23] <fdr> Razor-X: yet you run emacs. com eon.
[05:23] <Razor-X> louix: ewww, icewm gives me nightmares of computer-hell
[05:23] <louix> LOL
[05:23] <fdr> Razor-X: don't get me wrong, I love emacs, but it is quite hefty.
[05:23] <Razor-X> fdr: it makes emacs run smooth like butter
[05:24] <louix> Razor-X: icewm is ugly!!
[05:24] <ThomasM> Abysmal: From here, that dyndns address you gave works just fine.
[05:24] <jeff_> LOG @ fdr
[05:24] <Razor-X> you have to tradeoff somewhere :P
[05:24] <jeff_> *LOL
[05:24] <weob> all wm's are ugly
[05:24] <louix> Razor-X: I got mine to look like gnome crux theme
[05:24] <Abysmal> ThomasM.. i have it installed and I just vpn'd into my work machine and its up and working.. I just cant do it from behind the firewall..
[05:24] <bytefoo> they're all ugly
[05:24] <louix> Razor-X: im more comfortable with xfce though
[05:24] <louix> Razor-X: and Gnome
[05:24] <Razor-X> louix: yeah, I guess
[05:24] <Abysmal> my bad.. not enuff sleep or coffee
[05:24] <jeff_> Lets not start a flamewar. Everyone seriously and honestly knows that vim is 10x better than emacs. Only RMS will never admit that
[05:24] <Razor-X> ratpoison has it's quirks, as in, every window is maximized
[05:24] <jeff_> Emacs claw is not for me
[05:24] <louix> thanks for the suggestion
[05:24] <tritium> !offtopic
[05:24] <Razor-X> jeff_: ........ that's flamewar material right there
[05:24] <ubotu> #ubuntu should be kept to support for the Ubuntu OS. For random discussion, join #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:25] <ThomasM> Abysmal: Inside your firewall, using that address should point to your firewall, not to your machine.  You can either add a line to your '/etc/hosts' file, or configure DNS on your router if it lets you.
[05:25] <khermans> Razor-X, what about memoserv?
[05:25] <intelikey> vim !  yuch
[05:25] <jeff_> Razor-X: Where I come from, that is sarcasm
[05:25] <fdr> Razor-X: well, it's not that it runs slowly, it just takes up a lot of memory
[05:25] <Razor-X> jeff_: meh
[05:25] <Razor-X> jeff_: sorry, bad with emotion online, I need some sort of intonation to understand it
[05:25] <ThomasM> Abysmal: Inside your firewall, resolving that host name gives an IP, which is the external IP of your router/firewall.  Your firewall doesn't forward outgoing port 80 (which would be bad), only incoming, which is good.
[05:26] <Razor-X> fdr: most definitely
[05:26] <Razor-X> fdr: especially with the amount of addons I loaded mine with
[05:26] <fdr> Razor-X: but memory and cpu cycles is of little concern, as far as text editors go these days, although some IDEs (like eclipse) beg to differ
[05:26] <Razor-X> unicode, w3m, erc, tnt, emms, and some more
[05:27] <jeff_> Razor-X: Maybe its coming from unix, but I never caught on to emacs just because I can script in lisp. no thanks
[05:27] <ThomasM> I'm amazed.  I type /foolog (my alias for a split-screen /lastlog) more in this channel than any other, solely so I can cope with quantity of input.
[05:27] <louix> does anyone have ubuntu working on reiserfs?
[05:27] <louix> or xfs
[05:27] <fdr> jeff_: but lisp is so wonderful! :P
[05:27] <chiddy> louix, i use ubuntu on reiserfs
[05:27] <Razor-X> jeff_: heh, I guess, I grew up in the GNU world, I never actually experienced UNIX
[05:27] <LinuxRoc> louix: Yes
[05:27] <tritium> no kidding, ThomasM
[05:27] <sudonim> when going from the Breezy Release candidates to the normal breezy, do you have to do a dist-upgrade? Or just an upgrade?
[05:28] <louix> is there a speed difference from ext3
[05:28] <chiddy> sudonim, dist-upgrade
[05:28] <LinuxRoc> louix: not on Reiserfs4 though
[05:28] <Razor-X> louix: with smaller files, yes
[05:28] <axeus> What's the name of the Zlib 1.1.0 package?
[05:28] <sudonim> chiddy: tks
[05:28] <jeff_> fdr: google lisp programmer quotes
[05:28] <louix> thanx
[05:28] <axeus> ( 1.1.0 or greater )
[05:28] <SG1> lisp.. ewww..
[05:28] <louix> thanx Razor-X+Chiddy+LinuxRoc
[05:28] <louix> :D
[05:28] <fdr> jeff_: I've heard quite a few first hand, what's the problem? :)
[05:29] <Toma-> axeus: libz
[05:29] <ThomasM> tritium: Only thing I could think of would be to split by topic group, but that means that regulars and helpers have to divide their attention across multiple channels, which would probably be worse than scrolling and grepping.
[05:29] <Trashcan> anyone know why I could access my windows shares before, but after apt-get install samba (following a guide) I can't even see the other computers?
[05:29] <jeff_> fdr: Lisp programmers are known for being the weird guys off in the corner. Coming from a 'nix admin, that really says something
[05:29] <Communist_FireFo> Did you see the frige yet?
[05:29] <axeus> Toma-: It can't find it. :S
[05:29] <khermans> Can someone tell me what thie line at the top, currently "Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger) Release Candidate", will say when official is posted via here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/breezy/ then i can setup my watch script and combine with smssend -- i will take sms numbers if people also want to be notified
[05:29] <Trashcan> the workgroup is set properly
[05:29] <tritium> ThomasM, yeah, we won't likely do that
[05:29] <LinuxRoc> I'm wondering what every ones beast speed tweak has been with Ubuntu.
[05:29] <sector10> ThomasM:im not at my notebook anymore but i could not find the problem. ill let you know when i get the chance
[05:29] <fdr> jeff_: oh, I know, and some of them are awfully pretentious.
[05:29] <axeus> Toma-: "E: Couldn't find package libz
[05:29] <axeus> "
[05:29] <LinuxRoc> I meant best not beast
[05:30] <ThomasM> sector10: Okay.  I'll see if I can search up anything when I get some free time tomorrow, as well.
[05:30] <josh43> ThomasM, WHat I really want is something that separates by discussion, even if it parses it from the raw channel, so 8 sub-windows from one channel
[05:30] <fdr> jeff_: but it's basically a language that you are free to build yourself, so as a semantic I think it's in the most powerful class.
[05:30] <cafuego_> LinuxRoc: Install it on a fast cpu with lots of ram. Works best.
[05:30] <Toma-> axeus: libzlib maybe?
[05:30] <LinuxRoc> that's a good one
[05:30] <crimsun> axeus: zlib1g-dev?
[05:30] <fdr> jeff_: that having been said, I find python an acceptable mix of convenient features, sensible syntax.  The only problem is that it is slow, whereas CL is ~ C++ speed.
[05:30] <Razor-X> meh, I can't watch mplayer not maximized
[05:30] <Toma-> god adept sux. gimme synaptic back :(
[05:30] <jeff_> fdr: This quote scares me: pad	"Lisp is a programmable programming language."
[05:30] <Razor-X> (not that I don't)
[05:30] <Communist_FireFo> LinuxRocks? Is that you?
[05:30] <josh43> LinuxRoc, If you really need the speed, try another window manager.. like xfce
[05:30] <P8ntKid> Can anybody help me with some Mplayer stuff and the Mplayer plugin with firefox? My videos play fine in firefox, but there is no sound. can anyone help?
[05:30] <khermans> btw, Steve Ballmer will be at our school (University of Massachusetts Amherst) on 10/21, flying in via helicopter to give speech about MS -- but we are trying to show them Linux is big on campus
[05:30] <fdr> jeff_: well, it's absolutely correct.
[05:30] <kevogod> Nomad_, Die.
[05:30] <axeus> Toma-; Crimsun: Neither of those worked. :S
[05:30] <Abysmal> i just tries to install something and got "E: Couldn't find package ddclient" any ideas??
[05:31] <tritium> Abysmal, did you mean dhclient?
[05:31] <GatoMoteado> when i try to play a wmv i get this: There were no decoders found to handle the stream, you might need to install the corresponding plugins
[05:31] <crimsun> axeus: what are you trying to do?
[05:31] <jeff_> fdr: Python excells in 2 things, RAD, and glue. It doesn't have to be fast when it so easily wraps around c
[05:31] <GatoMoteado> but i installed the w32codecs
[05:31] <cafuego_> Nomad_: If you don't know what the buttons in xchat do, don't play with them.
[05:31] <tga> !codecs
[05:31] <ubotu> methinks codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:31] <ThomasM> josh43: You could write something that generates a person-class based on the first few lines of input, and assigns that person to one of your 8 subgroups.
[05:31] <axeus> install zsens.. it requires zlib 1.1.0
[05:31] <Abysmal> no ddclient to atup update dyndns of my ip..
[05:31] <calc> cool the images are being uploaded :)
[05:31] <khermans> GatoMoteado, "sudo aptitude install vlc"
[05:31] <fdr> jeff_: I agree, which is partly the reason I like it.
[05:31] <Toma-> axeus: zlibc
[05:31] <pestilence> Abysmal: you are trying to install ddclient, or something else?
[05:31] <Toma-> and/or zlib1g
[05:31] <Abysmal> ddclient
[05:31] <axeus> Toma: Ah.
[05:31] <tritium> Abysmal, it's in universe
[05:31] <josh43> ThomasM, Yeah, I thought about that, but I would prefer per discussion.. I'm playing with the idea of keywords
[05:31] <P8ntKid> Can anybody help me with some Mplayer stuff and the Mplayer plugin with firefox? My videos play fine in firefox, but there is no sound. can anyone help?
[05:32] <jeff_> fdr: I've been meaning to try python and quit playing with perl. But the camel beckons me so
[05:32] <fdr> jeff_: but there isn't a reason you couldn't write a huge Common Lisp macro that would allow you to simply start typing in statements in python.  That's the power of it.
[05:32] <Toma-> stoopid adept/me
[05:32] <chiddy> GatoMoteado, did you try what I wrote earlier?
[05:32] <P8ntKid> Can anybody help me with some Mplayer stuff and the Mplayer plugin with firefox? My videos play fine in firefox, but there is no sound. can anyone help?
[05:32] <Abysmal> ok.. how do i change where my repositories are??
[05:32] <josh43> ThomasM, The main problem is that for it to /really/ work, it has to be supported on everyone's end, which is not going to happen
[05:32] <ui> how do i install this archive? PlaneShift_CBV0.3.011.linux.x86-2.run
[05:32] <pestilence> !repositories
[05:32] <ubotu> methinks sources is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[05:32] <GatoMoteado> i just tried the vlc....here's what i get: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "vlc"
[05:32] <GatoMoteado> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[05:32] <GatoMoteado> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[05:32] <fdr> jeff_: I've heard that's a hard habit to quit, and may not be a bad one to keep if you keep things under a hundred lines
[05:32] <axeus> Toma-: zliblg ?
[05:32] <Toma-> 1g
[05:33] <axeus> oh lol
[05:33] <tritium> GatoMoteado, please don't paste.  This channel is too busy for that.
[05:33] <Toma-> ;)
[05:33] <axeus> I've already got that.
[05:33] <ThomasM> josh43: Nah.  You could do it yourself.  It would just take a fairly intelligent program that learns bayesian patterns.
[05:33] <GatoMoteado> chiddy: i downloaded the codecs and installed them.....totem still gives me the same message
[05:33] <Abysmal> thanks for the info.. trying now..
[05:33] <crimsun> GatoMoteado: you need universe enabled.
[05:33] <P8ntKid> Can anybody help me with some Mplayer stuff and the Mplayer plugin with firefox? My videos play fine in firefox, but there is no sound. can anyone help?
[05:33] <axeus> Oh my god... so much of this crap is not installed.
[05:33] <chjchjchj> help pls; installed base but after reboot I get a PCI bus error that repeats endlessly - can't see anything else...can actually log in but hard as screen scrolling. Want to install apps. laptop w built-in 3com 555
[05:33] <axeus> I can understand though... this being more of a desktop os.
[05:33] <ui> hello? :(
[05:33] <GatoMoteado> crimsun: how do i do that?
[05:33] <tritium> axeus, what stuff?
[05:33] <chiddy> GatoMoteado, yes, but did you use the deb or the tar.gz from mplayer's site?
[05:33] <P8ntKid> Can anybody help me with some Mplayer stuff and the Mplayer plugin with firefox? My videos play fine in firefox, but there is no sound. can anyone help?
[05:33] <pestilence> chiddy: try stopping hotplug?  sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug stop
[05:33] <axeus> tritium: just dev stuff...
[05:34] <jeff_> fdr: Getting used to mandatory style guidelines in python is difficult. Where I could do it 50 ways and perl doesn't care
[05:34] <GatoMoteado> deb
[05:34] <tritium> axeus, did you install build-essential?
[05:34] <ThomasM> josh43: You could even write a program that decided what your classes were for you, and was able to redefine those as needed.  So, on a day like today, it would create a dump for all the "Where's my new breezy?" messages.
[05:34] <P8ntKid> Can anybody help me with some Mplayer stuff and the Mplayer plugin with firefox? My videos play fine in firefox, but there is no sound. can anyone help?
[05:34] <pestilence> oops i meant chjchjchj
[05:34] <axeus> tritium: yeah.. i've got all that .. heh
[05:34] <pestilence> chjchjchj: try stopping hotplug?  sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug stop
[05:34] <ThomasM> josh43: Not saying it's easy, or worth the effort, though.  I doubt if the time spent coding would pay off at all in end result, unless you're just doing it as an exercise for the student.
[05:34] <tritium> axeus, what else do you need?  xlibs-dev perhaps?
[05:34] <chjchjchj> pestilence ok will try that, cheers
[05:34] <axeus> It still can't find zlib.
[05:34] <chiddy> GatoMoteado, thats not good it was actually working for me in breezy a few days ago
[05:34] <fdr> jeff_: of course.  The problem with perl is that not is there "more than one way to do it!" but it's difficult to do something the same way but twice.
[05:34] <satafterh> there are alot of people in theis channel, guess ubuntu is really taking of lol
[05:34] <Toma-> axeus: what are u trying to do?
[05:34] <ui> how do i install this archive? PlaneShift_CBV0.3.011.linux.x86-2.run
[05:35] <tritium> axeus, zlib1g-dev
[05:35] <P8ntKid> Can anybody help me with some Mplayer stuff and the Mplayer plugin with firefox? My videos play fine in firefox, but there is no sound. can anyone help?
[05:35] <josh43> ThomasM, Hmmm.. that might work.. Yeah, it would end up being an exercise that got put back into the community
[05:35] <Toma-> ui: "sh PlaneShift_CBV0.3.011.linux.x86-2.run"
[05:35] <intelikey> P8ntKid: i think most of the people that actually could help are working on the new release.  see the topic.
[05:35] <GatoMoteado> how do i enable universe?
[05:35] <axeus> tritium: No, I need ZLIB 1.1.0 or greater.
[05:35] <jeff_> yes, take a look in #fedora
[05:35] <jeff_> not near as many ppl
[05:35] <crimsun> !tell GatoMoteado about repos
[05:35] <ui> thanks toma :)
[05:35] <Toma-> axeus: youre compiling something arnt you
[05:35] <axeus> tritium: I've installed zlibc and zlib1g.. it still can't find it.
[05:35] <P8ntKid> !topic
[05:35] <axeus> Toma-: Yeah. ZSENS.
[05:35] <crimsun> zsens? what's that?
[05:35] <fdr> jeff_: although, what do you mean manditory style guidelines?
[05:35] <P8ntKid> help topic
[05:35] <Toma-> but why? use the package in apt
[05:35] <bytefoo> super nintendo
[05:35] <axeus> Super nintendo emulator.
[05:36] <crimsun> zsnes, you mean?
[05:36] <jeff_> fdr: forced indentation
[05:36] <fdr> jeff_: do you refer to significant whitespace?
[05:36] <axeus> Toma- :O WHAT
[05:36] <cafuego_> !info zsnes
[05:36] <pestilence> P8ntKid: is there sound when you play the video with mplayer (no firefox)
[05:36] <ubotu> zsnes: (Emulator of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (TM)), section multiverse/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.360-2 (breezy), Packaged size: 457 kB, Installed size: 2752 kB
[05:36] <Toma-> YEH DAMNIT
[05:36] <ThomasM> josh43: If you wrote your exercise to use external libraries, then yeah, it would be a contribution, as other coders could come along and port it to different IRC applications, news groups, mailing lists, RSS posts, etc.
[05:36] <chiddy> open up terminal and type: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list  then remove any comments from the lines that refer to the universe repos and then CNTRL+X and answer yes to save
[05:36] <intelikey>  /topic
[05:36] <pestilence> P8ntKid: by the way, it is /topic you are looking for
[05:36] <axeus> :O :O :O
[05:36] <bytefoo> oh like you couldn't decipher it :/
[05:36] <tritium> axeus, 1.2.2 in hoary, 1.2.3 in breezy
[05:36] <fullets> jeff_: you played with haskell much?
[05:36] <ui> thanks toma- :)
[05:36] <fdr> jeff_: I think this is one of the biggest straw men of python. When developing anything of nontrivial complexity, when indentation is wrong everyone starts making mistakes anyways.
[05:36] <Bad_Magic> anyone know why fglrx is super slow under breezy but worked fine under hoary?
[05:36] <Toma-> ui no problem
[05:36] <P8ntKid> pestilence: There is sound when im playing it in Mpayer and xine outside of firefox.
[05:36] <n0odl3> i just installed peer guardian the deb file
[05:36] <ThomasM> josh43: The something you wrote would have to just take a long list of data and develop a list of categories out of it, and then for each piece it was given later, fit it into predefined categories or define new ones when trends appear.
[05:36] <n0odl3> how do i know where it is
[05:37] <n0odl3> or how to run it
[05:37] <P8ntKid> pestilence: Its just the plugin for firefox isnt working right. It plays the video fine, just no sound.
[05:37] <fdr> jeff_: I mean, how often do you see people do anything but change the position of their curly brace in C?
[05:37] <ThomasM> josh43: And, if you wrote that, you'd have a good bolt-on module for any expert machine or budding AI.
[05:37] <tritium> n0odl3, dpkg -L <packagename> to list files in the package
[05:37] <jeff_> fullets: C, some C++, perl, fortran, a bit of Cobol. Thats it unfortunately
[05:37] <crimsun> zsnes | 1.400-1ubuntu1 | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/multiverse Packages
[05:37] <jeff_> fdr: true
[05:37] <pestilence> P8ntKid: perhaps you need to specify which sound driver to use in the plugin configuration?
[05:37] <Toma-> Bad_Magic: are u sure its running slow? it doesnt outup FPS in breezy
[05:37] <P8ntKid> pestilence: How would I do that?
[05:38] <Toma-> *output
[05:38] <pestilence> P8ntKid: http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/config.php
[05:38] <Bad_Magic> Toma- my 3d screensaver is chugging along at like .2 FPS
[05:38] <fullets> jeff_: haskell has optionally iimportant whitespace, if you use {}; it respects those, otherwise indentation is relevant. sometimes I wish python was similar
[05:38] <fdr> jeff_: I suspect that after you use it for about 20 minutes or a hundred lines of code, you'll quickly forget you ever thought it might be an issue.  I though it might be one, too, annd though it may cause bugs where people didn't indent/dedent properly when messing around with code, but it has never happened to me.
[05:38] <Abysmal> damn.. how can i update my sources.list file.. i keep getting rights errors
[05:38] <DShepherd> breezy! breezy! breezy! breezy! breezy! :D
[05:38] <DShepherd> :)
[05:38] <Toma-> Bad_Magic: install the 3d drivers for your card
[05:38] <weob> a farty breeze
[05:38] <cafuego_> Spam! Spam! Spam!
[05:38] <Bad_Magic> Toma- fglrx
[05:38] <Communist_FireFo> BREEZY BREEZY BREEZY!!!!!
[05:38] <Toma-> thats the one
[05:38] <luckyaba> how can i share a folder without having to login over the network?
[05:38] <raingrove> where is our breezy
[05:38] <bytefoo> remember... #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:38] <bytefoo> :/
[05:38] <Bad_Magic> sudo apt-get install fglrx ?
[05:39] <pestilence> luckyaba: nfs ...
[05:39] <cafuego_> The easter bunny hid it over there -->
[05:39] <Toma-> i think so. not an ati user myself
[05:39] <Toma-> !ati
[05:39] <ubotu> methinks ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10&highlight=fglrx
[05:39] <P8ntKid> pestilence: what should i edit in mine?
[05:39] <Toma-> there u go
[05:39] <jeff_> raingrove: update your sources.list and dist-upgrade your way into paradise
[05:39] <pestilence> P8ntKid: it tells you on that page i sent you...
[05:39] <raingrove> jeff_ hello? but the official release is not out yet right?
[05:39] <jeff_> raingrove: If you don't do a clean install though, the bootsplash doesn't work
[05:39] <raingrove> jeff_ i have the RC right now
[05:39] <jeff_> raingrove: So do I
[05:39] <pestilence> P8ntKid: the configuration for mplayer that you are using right now is either in ~/.mplayer or /etc/mplayer*
[05:39] <raingrove> jeff_ u mean the release is out?
[05:39] <cycom> hrm.. What's up with my network interfaces acting all funky.  Most of the time, my wireless is eth0 and my wired is eth2, but randomly it switches to wireless eth1 wired eth0 (which quite frankly, I prefer)
[05:39] <jeff_> no
[05:40] <luckyaba> pestilence: im using samba and in order to access my shares you have to put in a username/pass. i dont want it that way
[05:40] <jeff_> Night guys! I have to work tomorrow
[05:40] <fdr> man, I was so looking forward to getting python 2.4.2 today
[05:40] <fdr> jeff_: goodnight
[05:40] <fdr> oops, a bit too late.
[05:40] <bytefoo> its in the RC :|
[05:40] <nickrud> if want to contribute to the bittorrent, what, where, and when :)
[05:40] <pestilence> P8ntKid: whatever sound driver it is using, use that for the plugin.  option 2 is mv ~/.mplayer ~/.mplayer-broken
[05:40] <fdr> bytefoo: I am not inclined to install an RC merely for this, I may as well just update to the real thing
[05:40] <axeus> !info zsnes
[05:40] <ubotu> zsnes: (Emulator of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (TM)), section multiverse/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.360-2 (breezy), Packaged size: 457 kB, Installed size: 2752 kB
[05:40] <Toma-> axeus: if you ever REALLY need to compile something, you need the -dev packages. eg, zlibc-dev
[05:41] <Abysmal> i figured it out... using sudo can be a real pain in the ass...
[05:41] <pestilence> luckyaba: don't know too much about samba, but why can't you just make it accessible to anonymous users?
[05:41] <bytefoo> suit yourself
[05:41] <raingrove> jeff_ i upgraded from 5.4 and i have bootsplash
[05:41] <pestilence> luckyaba: in the /etc/samba configuration file
[05:41] <fdr> bytefoo: shrug.  I mean, I do like the anonymous generator syntax, but a few days isn't going to hurt me.
[05:41] <luckyaba> pestilence: ill lookkk again
[05:41] <cycom> luckyaba: wait
[05:41] <bytefoo> no
[05:41] <ThomasM> Abysmal: You're not required to use sudo.  It's just a good security tool.
[05:41] <P8ntKid> pestilence: Yes, but i dont understand exactly what i need to edit...
[05:41] <n0odl3> does anyone know where peer gaurdain would show up?
[05:41] <cycom> luckyaba: why don't you want it that way?
[05:42] <bytefoo> but there are not that many package differences between RC and Final
[05:42] <n0odl3> im sure i installed the ,deb file
[05:42] <bytefoo> just fixes :/
[05:42] <axeus> Er. I can't find the package.
[05:42] <ThomasM> Abysmal: 'sudo passwd', assign a root password, and use your own methods.  Just don't expect an audit trail.
[05:42] <tritium> n0odl3, see my last message to you
[05:42] <n0odl3> i did
[05:42] <pestilence> luckyaba: something like public = yes
[05:42] <n0odl3> but it keeps saying not installed
[05:42] <fdr> bytefoo: fixes matter ;) I write enough bugs myself, no need to get around ones that aren't mine.  cost vs reward is pretty meh
[05:42] <pestilence> P8ntKid: the line that says ao=
[05:42] <tritium> n0odl3, just use the package name, not the full file name
[05:42] <n0odl3> but i already typed in sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[05:42] <n0odl3> ?
[05:42] <luckyaba> cycom: i have media center on my network to play mp3's, movies, etc. off my computer on the living room TV
[05:43] <pestilence> P8ntKid: _a_udio _o_utput
[05:43] <n0odl3> what do you mean?
[05:43] <axeus> Ah.. I'll do it later.
[05:43] <P8ntKid> pestilence: ao=esd.oss,arts thats what is there right now.
[05:43] <n0odl3> should i try using synaptic?
[05:43] <ThomasM> n0odl3: Yes.
[05:43] <P8ntKid> pestilence: What do you want me to change it to?
[05:43] <luckyaba> cycom: it doesn't have support to do logins.. only anonymous access
[05:43] <cycom> luckyaba: odd.
[05:43] <cycom> luckyaba: I ask because I wanted to set up a samba share that I could mount
[05:43] <P8ntKid> pestilence: This is in my /ect/mplayerplug-in.conf
[05:43] <cycom> luckyaba: I did it already though :)
[05:44] <pestilence> P8ntKid: i would make it ao=alsa ... that works in hoary.  not sure how breezy is set up
[05:44] <luckyaba> cycom: lol.. right on
[05:44] <tritium> n0odl3, e.g., filename = firefox_1.0.7-0ubuntu20_i386.deb, but packagename = firefox
[05:44] <crimsun> breezy works fine with ALSA.
[05:44] <pestilence> P8ntKid: right, that's fine.
[05:44] <Abysmal> ThomasM.. i read that doing that can really screw up the system
[05:44] <cycom> luckyaba: the anonymous logins probobly still uses a username/pass thing, it just accepts a 'standart'
[05:44] <P8ntKid> pestilence: Restart firefox and try again?
[05:44] <cycom> 'standard'* I can type. honest.
[05:44] <pestilence> P8ntKid: sure, why not.
[05:44] <luckyaba> cycom: as long as it doesn't prompt for a login im fine
[05:45] <cycom> luckyaba: are you trying to connect from linux?
[05:45] <n0odl3> wait its installed
[05:45] <ThomasM> Abysmal: You're right, but it's how *nux systems have been managed and will continue to be managed for years to come.  sudo is a fairly recent development, and allows finer control of user access.
[05:45] <cycom> luckyaba: as in from ubuntu?
[05:45] <n0odl3> i cant even "reinstall it
[05:45] <ThomasM> s/\*nux/\*nix/;
[05:45] <GatoMoteado> ok, i enabled universe, then i uninstalled and reinstalled w32codecs.....still no go
[05:45] <n0odl3> does any one here have peer guardian?
[05:45] <luckyaba> no.. its a small media device that has a hard drive and networking
[05:45] <ThomasM> Abysmal: sudo is a very useful tool.  It's not the only way of doing things.
[05:45] <Bad_Magic> anyone else have any ideas as to why my fglrx isnt working for shit under breezy (stuttering like crazy in my screen saver now that i updated)
[05:45] <tritium> n0odl3, so if it's installed, you can list the files
[05:46] <Toma-> n0odl3: ive just got a huge hosts file
[05:46] <ubuntuking> hello all
[05:46] <P8ntKid> pestilence: Now it doesnt even play the video.
[05:46] <cycom> Bad_Magic: Xorg get fubard?
[05:46] <n0odl3> how would i do that?
[05:46] <P8ntKid> pestilence: just a black screen
[05:46] <Abysmal> i just updated from hoary.. and now have changed my sources.list to point to the universe urls.. is there a easy way I can update eveything without having to answer yes to everything??
[05:46] <Bad_Magic> cycom: my .conf file still shows fglrx
[05:46] <cycom> luckyaba: I mean what are you trying to connect to it FROM
[05:46] <ducky_> how do you get tux to show on the top off the screen while ubuntu boots?
[05:46] <pestilence> P8ntKid: strange.
[05:46] <erick> how can I disable services that are not needed
[05:46] <pestilence> P8ntKid: so change it back ;)
[05:46] <cycom> Bad_Magic: dunno. :(
[05:47] <ducky_> I added vga=791 to the grub config and that didn't work
[05:47] <Bad_Magic> makes two of us
[05:47] <n0odl3> how would i do that?
[05:47] <bytefoo> boot-icons
[05:47] <GatoMoteado> brb
[05:47] <tritium> erick, with update-rc.d
[05:47] <luckyaba> cycom: ohh ubuntu
[05:47] <pestilence> P8ntKid: seems like you may have messed up the configuration file, as that shouldn't have affected video playback.
[05:47] <thewayofzen> ducky_,  i dont know how but if u find out fill me in i wanna know.
[05:47] <bytefoo> there's a thread in the forums on how to do it ducky_
[05:47] <ubuntuking> in a few minutes hello badger!!!
[05:47] <tritium> n0odl3, with dpkg -L <packagename>, like I told you
[05:47] <cycom> luckyaba: you can set it up in your etc/fstab to mount it aws a drive.
[05:47] <ThomasM> Abysmal: 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade'
[05:47] <pestilence> P8ntKid: one thing you might try is turning on debugging for the plugin, then running firefox from  command line and watching the terminal for errors
[05:47] <qt2> so what time tomorrow is breezy supposed to be released?
[05:48] <stpere> ubuntuking, really?
[05:48] <ubuntuking> i thought it was right at midnite
[05:48] <raingrove> today
[05:48] <pestilence> P8ntKid: in ~/.mplayer/mplayerplug-in.conf put debug=1
[05:48] <ubuntuking> isn't it
[05:48] <Xenguy> woohoo - history :-)
[05:48] <qt2> oh? at midnight?
[05:48] <qt2> EST?
[05:48] <n0odl3> arrgh keeps telling me not installed
[05:48] <pestilence> ubuntuking: what timezone :)
[05:48] <raingrove> maybe South African Time
[05:48] <raingrove> haha
[05:48] <cycom> luckyaba: //(ip address)/(share name) (media/mountpoint) smbfs (options),username=(whatever you need for anonymous), password=(see previous) 0 0
[05:48] <ubuntuking> i dont' know
[05:48] <tritium> n0odl3, are you using just the packagename, and not the full filename?
[05:48] <ubuntuking> do you?
[05:48] <n0odl3> i tried both
[05:48] <cycom> luckyaba: that's how I did it for my samba share
[05:49] <Toma-> n0odl3: did it install properly?
[05:49] <n0odl3> apparently not
[05:49] <Abysmal> anyonehere got the kde desktop installed and running??
[05:49] <qt2> raingrove: it'd be far past midnight  by now if it were going on the time in south africa
[05:49] <cycom> luckyaba: what kind of network device is it? a Linksys USB2.0 Network Storage dealy?
[05:49] <n0odl3> considering it tells me not installed
[05:49] <P8ntKid> pestilence: No, if i put a period after ao=alsa so its ao=alsa. it works.
[05:49] <Toma-> Abysmal: yes
[05:49] <tritium> n0odl3, what are you putting as the packagename?
[05:49] <pestilence> P8ntKid: cool
[05:49] <Abysmal> any problems Toma-?
[05:49] <n0odl3> peerguardian
[05:49] <Toma-> nope
[05:49] <raingrove> qt2: i see
[05:49] <pestilence> P8ntKid: maybe they have changed the syntax.  :dunno:
[05:49] <erick> thanks tritium
[05:49] <P8ntKid> pestilence: I dont have that file
[05:49] <Trashcan> hehe brad
[05:50] <Toma-> n0odl3: try peerguardiannf
[05:50] <Abysmal> did you upgrade it or did you install kubuntu??
[05:50] <Trashcan> oops..
[05:50] <Toma-> actually,
[05:50] <tritium> erick, sure.  If you need an example of how that's used, see the Debian Reference section on how to disable X on boto
[05:50] <tritium> boo
[05:50] <tritium> boot even
[05:50] <pestilence> P8ntKid: if your sound works now, then who cares :)
[05:50] <Toma-> n0odl3: try peerguardnf
[05:50] <P8ntKid> pestilence: It doesn't...
[05:50] <P8ntKid> pestilence: I never said it did.
[05:50] <satafterh> what does NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D50 88 mean
[05:50] <pestilence> P8ntKid: then create the file.
[05:50] <P8ntKid> ok
[05:50] <crimsun> satafterh: you need to import the appropriate archive key.
[05:50] <n0odl3> neither worked
[05:51] <pestilence> P8ntKid: i interpreted "it works." as sound works
[05:51] <crimsun> satafterh: see wiki.ubuntu.com/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[05:51] <Abysmal> so when tommorow can we expect the oficial breezy release
[05:51] <Toma-> what is the file name you installed?
[05:51] <luckyaba> cycom: mediagate
[05:51] <satafterh> thankss
[05:51] <P8ntKid> pestilence: Oh, i mean, if i have a period at the end, the video works, if i dont have the period the video doesnt work.
[05:51] <cycom> luckyaba: ah.  so did you try what I said?
[05:51] <n0odl3> neither worked
[05:51] <cycom> luckyaba: and more importantly, did it work?
[05:52] <ThomasM> Abysmal: What time zone are you in?
[05:52] <pestilence> P8ntKid: strange.  so do the debug thing and see what kind of messages you get
[05:52] <danguy> Does anyone know about the ReleaseParty in Victoria, Canada?
[05:52] <erick> k tritum just asking im not successful to log on my webmin, I used root and my user but still login failed
[05:52] <Abysmal> Eastern
[05:52] <luckyaba> cycom: im doing it right now
[05:52] <cycom> luckyaba: good luck! :)
[05:52] <ThomasM> Abysmal: According to the bit on fridge.ubuntu.com, you should have it at the latest at 8:00 P
[05:52] <raingrove> ok
[05:52] <ThomasM> Abysmal: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/5
[05:52] <raingrove> 9 MINUTes LEFT
[05:53] <cycom> raingrove: till what?
[05:53] <Abysmal> what abou kubuntu.. is it also to be officuially released as well?
[05:53] <raingrove> till the release of kubuntu at least i guess
[05:53] <Abysmal> thanks for the url..
[05:53] <raingrove> http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[05:53] <raingrove> look at the links
[05:53] <raingrove> thanks to fatejudger
[05:53] <cycom> raingrove: ...who cares?
[05:53] <raingrove> the thing is
[05:53] <raingrove> kubuntu gets released at the same time as ubuntu
[05:53] <cycom> raingrove: the thing is, why do we need it announced that we have to wait longer?
[05:54] <Abysmal> ok.. but is that link the official or the RC??
[05:54] <qt2> err... are the hoary mirrormax backports mirrors gone?
[05:54] <raingrove> RC as of  now
[05:54] <cycom> raingrove: Get all noisy and stuff when it's released.
[05:54] <Razor-X> cycom: because people are excited?
[05:54] <fdr> qt2: suppsoedly, for official
[05:54] <raingrove> but it's the sameURL as official
[05:54] <nalioth> qt2: mirrormax will never return
[05:54] <qt2> why? :o
[05:54] <nalioth> ubotu: tell qt2 about backports
[05:54] <a_monkey> can somebody please help me install the artwiz fonts?
[05:54] <cycom> Razor-X: well don't give us these silly random intervals :) 9 minutes! 6 minutes, 22 seconds, 6 and a half miliseconds!
[05:55] <qt2> ah, so they've been integrated into the ifficial now...
[05:55] <P8ntKid> pestilence: Ok, i made a mplayerplug-in.conf file in my .mplayer directory.
[05:55] <gleesond> I'm tring to make this program and I keep getting this error: Makefile:7: config.mak: No such file or directory
[05:55] <gleesond> make: *** No rule to make target `config.mak'.  Stop.
[05:55] <a_monkey> apt-get install xfonts-artwiz does not work
[05:55] <P8ntKid> pestilence: And i put debug=1, what should i do now?
[05:55] <Razor-X> cycom: I did that for Knife of Dreams, i'm not that excited about Ubuntu :P
[05:55] <a_monkey> neither does the regular way in the artwiz README
[05:55] <Abysmal> what happens in 9 minuts??
[05:55] <cycom> *sigh*
[05:55] <crimsun> nothing.
[05:55] <Toma-> how about, It'll be released at exactly the right time? or It'll be released when its released?
[05:55] <crimsun> don't pay attention to the clock
[05:55] <omp> so is breezy going to be released today?
[05:55] <crimsun> it will be released when it's ready.
[05:56] <raingrove> i hope EST 12.00
[05:56] <raingrove> that is 4 minutes from now
[05:56] <omp> heh
[05:56] <Licker> how do you manualy unistall something?
[05:56] <cycom> ok, if we need the countdown THAT BAD lets make an ubuntu release countdown timer package that automagically gets the remaining time till release from the servers of hell.
[05:56] <Razor-X> yes, 4 minutes
[05:56] <nayif> the smartlink on breezy broken "i can not use modem with breezy" any idea or news here?
[05:56] <pestilence> P8ntKid: now run firefox from a terminal.  when you open up a movie, it should print debug info on the terminal
[05:56] <dutch> crimsun: getting a straight answer from can be difficult :)
[05:56] <Razor-X> so, I just s/hoary/breezy/ my sources.list?
[05:56] <fdr> cycom: ah, you can bear with it for a day every six months, right?
[05:56] <intelikey> Licker: dpkg -i <blah>
[05:57] <ThomasM> raingrove: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/5 says GMT
[05:57] <caustictwin> what program supports rar files in linux?
[05:57] <Razor-X> raingrove: yeah, that's what I thought, it's GMT
[05:57] <pestilence> caustictwin: unrar-nonfree
[05:57] <fdr> although if I bothered to know where this information was posted I would write a script next time
[05:57] <carthik> caustictwin, rar
[05:57] <cycom> fdr: I actually like the idea of the countdown timer.  that would be kinda cool.... :)
[05:57] <raingrove> if it's GMT then shouldn't it be released by now
[05:57] <cycom> TO THE CODE TANK!
[05:57] <ThomasM> raingrove: Read the link.
[05:57] <fdr> cycom: ...don't you mean the mobile/copter?
[05:57] <Razor-X> raingrove: October 13
[05:57] <raingrove> Start: 2005-10-13 00:00
[05:57] <raingrove> End: 2005-10-13 23:59
[05:57] <raingrove> Timezone: Etc/GMT
[05:57] <crimsun> ThomasM: do'nt pay it any attention.
[05:57] <cycom> no. it's a tank. I said so.
[05:57] <ubuntuking> i see the breezy iso at distrowatch.com
[05:57] <Gamer-Laptop> Is one of the repositories borked for breezy? Been getting Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[05:57] <ThomasM> And that, people, is the last time I'm answering that question.  If you folks can figure out time differences, 's'not my problem anymore.
[05:58] <raingrove> so it can happen any time between 00 to 23:59?
[05:58] <Razor-X> raingrove: yes, anywhere in that interval of 1000 milliseconds
[05:58] <calc> raingrove: it will likely be released RSN ;)
[05:58] <Razor-X> raingrove: how aggravating, no?
[05:58] <pestilence> Razor-X: looks more like 23 hours 59 minutes to me
[05:59] <ThomasM> raingrove: It is planned to be finished by 23:59 GMT, which depending on if they're using true GMT time, or actual London time, could be either 19 or 20 hours from right now.
[05:59] <fdr> or, for a family guy reference: "To the hindenpeter!" :crash in joe's yard: HOW DO YOU AFFORD THESE THINGS?!?
[05:59] <Razor-X> between 23:59 and 0:00 is 1 minute
[05:59] <pestilence> Razor-X: not on the same day it isn't
[05:59] <P8ntKid> pestilence: Ok, i played the movie. What should i do now?
[05:59] <cycom> somewhere, some guy is hoping he finishes taring up that last package
[05:59] <raingrove> Razor-X,  no 00 to 23:59
[05:59] <Gamer-Laptop> To the petercopter!
[05:59] <raingrove> 23 hours and 59 minutes
[05:59] <pestilence> P8ntKid: did anything print to the terminal?
[05:59] <Razor-X> pestilence: oh, I didn't see the start and end
[05:59] <Razor-X> ahhh, yes, I guess there's a 24 hour leeway
[05:59] <shekhar> crimsun:  are you there?
[05:59] <raingrove> damnnnnnn
[06:00] <cycom> MIDNIGHT!
[06:00] <P8ntKid> pestilence: It just says the url i went to.
[06:00] <pestilence> P8ntKid: bump the debug info up to 2
[06:00] <cycom> my watch synced to the atomic clock says so
[06:00] <Razor-X> raingrove: settle down, check your latency to the servers and _then_ think whether you'll be the first or not
[06:00] <atfa> 30.910 views of the breezy release topic on the forum
[06:00] <crimsun> shekhar: yes, but kinda busy atm
[06:01] <fdr> indeed, to the peter copter.
[06:01] <P8ntKid> pestilence: On wich one? The one in /ect, .mozilla or .mplayer?
[06:01] <pestilence> atfa: this distro got popular fast, huh.
[06:01] <Razor-X> raingrove: you do know that ntp.ubuntu.com is off by two seconds?
[06:01] <pestilence> P8ntKid: the one you put debug=1 in
[06:01] <raingrove> i dont sync my time with time server
[06:01] <pestilence> P8ntKid: probably ~/.mplayer/somethingplugin.conf
[06:01] <shekhar> crimsun:  how do i login to my afs server? i think i installed everything ok...
[06:01] <Razor-X> raingrove: that's even worse :P
[06:02] <nayif> * is this user whos only use modem on the world today
[06:02] <Kira> Man, I pity Jack Thompson's relatives...
[06:02] <shekhar> does anyone else here use openafs/kerberos?
[06:02] <glick> its 12.02am is breezy released?
[06:03] <calc> glick: not yet
[06:03] <calc> glick: being tested
[06:03] <P8ntKid> It wont let me save it now.
[06:03] <Kira> glick: darn it! you stole my question! :P
[06:03] <P8ntKid> pestilence: It wont let me save it now.
[06:03] <cycom> bastards! :)
[06:03] <bytefoo> and then...time for dapper drake :D
[06:03] <glick> i thought oct 13 was the day the world would join in celebration at the release of sleezy slutty
[06:03] <glick> i mean breezy badger
[06:03] <calc> glick: if i had to guess i would say it will be released within next 24hr
[06:04] <nayif> glick when it out then do update or update program my tell you about it auto
[06:04] <pestilence> P8ntKid: did you do it under sudo?
[06:04] <glick> openoffice 2.0 god delated
[06:04] <basscr> does someone know how do i change that ugly brown background when ubuntu starts ?
[06:04] <glick> god = got
[06:04] <Abysmal> i like sleezy slutty.. that would be a k00l distro
[06:04] <pestilence> P8ntKid: are you certain that the movie you are trying to watch *has* audio?  try the movies at http://fredrik.hubbe.net/plugger/test.html
[06:04] <Gamer-Laptop> basser: System>Preferences
[06:04] <shekhar> hello can someone help me with openafs and kerberos? i think i have installed the client and modules but don't know how to login and test...
[06:04] <Gamer-Laptop> You can change the themes for pretty much everything
[06:05] <pestilence> P8ntKid: for example, the AVI (radius cinepak) definetly has audio
[06:05] <raingrove> Abysmal, ubuntu was called LinuXXX or "Porn Distro" due to the nude wallpapers remember?
[06:05] <gleesond> what is the command to global update i.e. the kernal?
[06:05] <P8ntKid> pestilence: k, i saved it.
[06:05] <pestilence> raingrove: why wasn't i let in on this info?
[06:05] <calc> raingrove: i don't recall any nude wallpapers
[06:05] <P8ntKid> pestilence: Its a wmv file. I jave tried it with a bunch of diferent ones too.
[06:05] <glick> pestilence, thats a kool song ffrom Kreator
[06:06] <calc> oh well not frontal anyway
[06:06] <Abysmal> nope.. thats before my time with it..
[06:06] <pestilence> glick: what is?
[06:06] <glick> pestilence,
[06:06] <nayif> raingrove, why ubuntu on firest realese do that?
[06:06] <pestilence> somebody wrote a song after me?
[06:06] <pvh> pestilence: done, just finished
[06:06] <s3[mn] rain> Hi I am trying to exlude some directories from a tar archive, but I get "tar: --exclude=/var/www/forum/downloads: Cannot stat: No such file or directory" when the directory clearly exists on the file system
[06:07] <pestilence> pvh: huh?
[06:07] <joelito> Are the devs wating for gmt +12 to reach the 13th?
[06:07] <WhyvasLT> can't compile linux kernel modules
[06:07] <calc> nayif: the only bad press is no press
[06:07] <WhyvasLT> what do i have to do to get the kernel modules ?
[06:07] <raingrove> nayif, calc, pestilence / there was an app called "ubuntu_calendar" that downloaded "art" wallpaper everymonth. it is now discontinued
[06:07] <P8ntKid> pestilence: It didnt give me an error.
[06:07] <calc> nayif: though that may not be the real reason behind it, stirring up a lot of people tends to get your name spread quickly
[06:07] <joelito> erm i meant gmt -12
[06:07] <calc> raingrove: yes i know
[06:07] <pestilence> P8ntKid: i'm runnin out of ideas...
[06:07] <pvh> raingrove: damn prudish USA
[06:07] <Z0idberg> now it's available... :)
[06:07] <P8ntKid> pestilence: Oh.
[06:07] <calc> raingrove: i've used ubuntu since mid last year and debian for 7 years before :)
[06:07] <tritium> pvh, none of that, please
[06:08] <pestilence> raingrove: why.  why?  WHY??????
[06:08] <pestilence> seriously??
[06:08] <P8ntKid> pestilence: alot of people on the forums are having the problem too.
[06:08] <pestilence> sweet!
[06:08] <cpalma> yay
[06:08] <raingrove> pestilence, yes. alot of people complained
[06:08] <joelito> Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohohohohohoho!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:08] <P8ntKid> pestilence: Like, my sound used to work. But for some reason about a week ago. it stopped.
[06:08] <omp> should i just install ubuntu breezy rc now or wait till the official version is out :p
[06:08] <pestilence> raingrove: well, as long as there is a warning...
[06:08] <nalioth> joelito: may we help you?
[06:08] <pestilence> omp: see topic
[06:08] <satafterh> 5.10 release, is that the finale
[06:08] <raingrove> oh shit
[06:08] <raingrove> is it released?
[06:09] <omp> oh
[06:09] <omp> wow
[06:09] <crimsun> please wait for the mirrors to sync.
[06:09] <bytefoo> ahhsoo
[06:09] <ThomasM> Okay. My bedtime has arisen. Good night, folks.
[06:09] <omp> pestilence: thanks a bunch (i checked 5 minutes ago and it wasnt released)
[06:09] <joelito> Oh I meant that for the release
[06:09] <cycom> crimsun: congrats!
[06:09] <bytefoo> how long does that normally take?
[06:09] <pestilence> crimsun: don't worry, i won't update until tomorrow morning ;)
[06:09] <tritium> good night, ThomasM
[06:09] <crimsun> at least one mirror is already active with 5.10.
[06:09] <joelito> Kudos to the Development Team :) !!!
[06:09] <pestilence> P8ntKid: in hoary or breezy?
[06:09] <d3vice> any torrents ?
[06:09] <glick> damn the servers are gonna get flacked
[06:09] <bytefoo> oh sorry, i'm confusing the repos with the mirrors :|
[06:09] <calc> d3vice: look at the torrent site
[06:09] <durt> does edubuntu have child porn?
[06:10] <d3vice> calc, where ?
[06:10] <pestilence> P8ntKid: i had all sorts of trouble with the default sound system in hoary...esd
[06:10] <P8ntKid> pestilence: Hoary
[06:10] <dabaR> durt: are you stupid?
[06:10] <joelito> durt: lol
[06:10] <calc> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[06:10] <pestilence> P8ntKid: i would disable esd, see if that helps
[06:10] <pestilence> !esd
[06:10] <P8ntKid> pestilence: How do i do that?
[06:10] <bytefoo> well i guess i'm up to date lol :)
[06:10] <tritium> durt, that's not appropriate here
[06:10] <P8ntKid> !esd
[06:10] <calc> doesn't look like it has been updated yet
[06:10] <d3vice> calc, thx, this is the final breezy version ?
[06:10] <jgrieves_> oh is she out?
[06:10] <chjchjchj> Just installed, had a problem that has gone on reboot...but all I have is the base system. How can I tell it to install the graphical interface and etc?
[06:10] <calc> the breezy ones are most likely rc
[06:10] <pestilence> !tell P8ntKid  about esd
[06:10] <dabaR> durt has a stupid leave message too.
[06:10] <calc> d3vice: probably not yet, it will be called 5.10 afaik
[06:10] <d3vice> calc, om
[06:10] <d3vice> calc, ok
[06:10] <pestilence> why did ubuto message me instead of broadcasting to the channel?
[06:10] <WhyvasLT> can't compile linux kernel modules
[06:10] <WhyvasLT> what do i have to do to get the kernel modules ?
[06:11] <Trashcan> if we're already running breezy preview, do we have to install anyway?
[06:11] <durt> how is my away message stupid?
[06:11] <raingrove> is it really released????
[06:11] <jgrieves_> don't be throwing links out if their linked to the RC :)
[06:11] <raingrove> is it really released???? i still see the words "release candidate"
[06:11] <joelito> chjchjchj: apt-get install (k)(x)ubuntu-desktop
[06:11] <jgrieves_> goodnes your going to freak people out
[06:11] <omp> hmm
[06:11] <omp> i can't find an iso :p
[06:11] <glick> so did breezy just get released or what?
[06:11] <crimsun> yes, it's released. The mirrors are syncing. Be patient.
[06:11] <dabaR> durt: not away, the one you show the channel when you leave. about your princess.....
[06:11] <P8ntKid> pestilence: Want me to install it? cuase the ubuntu bot told me to go to a thread to install it.
[06:12] <d3vice> calc, there are 2 or 3 non rc torrent on that page, is it ?
[06:12] <pestilence> P8ntKid: install what?
[06:12] <dabaR> raingrove: /topic
[06:12] <chjchjchj> joelito ta. Is that a choice thing, the "k" / "x" or literally what I type?
[06:12] <durt> dabar, i changed it a couple of days ago
[06:12] <P8ntKid> pestilence: Esd and Alsa
[06:12] <crimsun> here, I'll make it less confusing.
[06:12] <dabaR> durt: good, I did not like it.
[06:12] <dabaR> haha
[06:12] <pestilence> P8ntKid: they are both installed already
[06:12] <nayif> */ smartlink not work with breezy @#?#?
[06:12] <cycom> crimsun: are there new packages and fings as well?
[06:12] <calc> d3vice: afaik it will have the name 5.10 in it and not be rc
[06:12] <pestilence> P8ntKid: you just need to disable esd.  did that thread not explain it?
[06:12] <durt> dabar, you dont like classic porn lines?
[06:12] <d3vice> calc, it doesnt say rc
[06:13] <raingrove> sig
[06:13] <josh43> can I do a dist-upgrade yet? :)
[06:13] <pestilence> P8ntKid: no. don't follow those instructions.
[06:13] <joelito> chjchjchj: yes it's choice
[06:13] <raingrove> sigh..my browser still shows Release candidate
[06:13] <calc> d3vice: oh wow i didn't see those, yea they are probably the final one
[06:13] <d3vice> calc, scoll down near the end, could it be the those
[06:13] <pestilence> P8ntKid: sorry.  assumed ubotu would have good info.
[06:13] <pestilence> !alsa
[06:13] <ubotu> I guess alsa is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[06:13] <P8ntKid> pestilence: yea.
[06:13] <crimsun> josh43: a dist-upgrade will give you 5.10, yes.
[06:13] <pestilence> no good.
[06:13] <joelito> chjchjchj: for xubuntu you need to enable the universe repositorie in breezy
[06:13] <chjchjchj> I hate choices...easiest for a n00b?
[06:13] <raingrove> crimson: do u think there will be any more upgradable packages?
[06:14] <nayif> i have breezy rc can i upgrade the 5.04? from this cd
[06:14] <josh43> crimsun: nice, thank you, I think I'm going to do that now :)
[06:14] <slomorbo> I, i want to know in what moment of the day ubuntu 5.10 will be disponible
[06:14] <joelito> chjchjchj: Hoary has only ubuntu and kubuntu
[06:14] <pestilence> P8ntKid: you just have to disable the sound daemon (it's in a submenu of gnome, don't know exactly what it's called) and set the default sound system to alsa
[06:14] <nalioth> nayif: of course you can
[06:14] <dabaR> crimsun: I also had an issue where I was downloading a torrent of the Hoary install cd, recently, and it turned out to be the breezy install cd, which sucks, cause I burned it ont over 20 cds...
[06:14] <robertj> is dapper broken yet ;)
[06:14] <nalioth> robertj: that happens next week
[06:14] <slomorbo>  i want to know in what moment of the day ubuntu 5.10 will be availible
[06:14] <chjchjchj> joelito its badger I have installed
[06:14] <P8ntKid> pestilence: Os there a command to do it? Cuase im not in gnome.
[06:14] <budluva> its available right now
[06:14] <nayif> nalioth, did i need to say "my hero of yestrday and tommoro"
[06:15] <pestilence> P8ntKid: is esd running, then?  ps aux |grep esd
[06:15] <slomorbo> the preview one
[06:15] <nalioth> nayif: about what?
[06:15] <budluva> change your sources.list from hoary to breezy and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:15] <pestilence> P8ntKid: i don't know, and i'm not in gnome either :)
[06:15] <jgrieves_> does anyone know how to make GDM load X on a user basis
[06:15] <slomorbo> not the real one
[06:15] <jgrieves_> so i can enable extensions for specifc users?
[06:15] <nayif> nalioth, just a joke
[06:15] <cycom> slomorbo: see! We need a package with a countdown timer!
[06:15] <Licker> how do you know if Linux was to get a virus?
[06:15] <raingrove> oh man the syncing is taking a little too long
[06:15] <WhyvasLT> if i have the beta of breezy and did all the updates, is it the same as the official release?
[06:15] <jgrieves_> yes, WhyvasLT
[06:16] <raingrove> WhyvasLT,  me is wondering too
[06:16] <cycom> slomorbo: like at nasa! but we won't have planned holds at t-minus 5 minutes
[06:16] <crimsun> WhyvasLT: if you update now, yes.
[06:16] <budluva> Licker, if your worried about antivirus, check out clamav
[06:16] <nayif> Licker, bill gets will send you a message
[06:16] <dabaR> Licker: you keep it clean, and only install from oficial repos, and you never get virus.
[06:16] <jgrieves_> anyone experienced in GDM?
[06:16] <raingrove> crimsun/ i am doing apt-get -update, but i dont see any upgradable package
[06:16] <P8ntKid> pestilence: When i did that comand you just told me to do it have me an error and listed all the flags i could use.
[06:16] <crimsun> raingrove: that's fine.
[06:16] <cycom> raingrove: HAAAAA HAAAAA! All that waiting and you already have what was released.
[06:16] <a_monkey> should /etc/fonts/local.conf be lacking in my system?
[06:16] <cycom> raingrove: sorry.
[06:16] <pestilence> P8ntKid: what command?
[06:17] <Licker> well. a friend sent a link  though IM and i clicked it etc and then she came back to the pc and was like crap dont click that thats a virus!  :/
[06:17] <raingrove> cycom, oh really.
[06:17] <pestilence> P8ntKid: ps aux |grep esd ?
[06:17] <Licker> so i was j/w
[06:17] <Licker> :p
[06:17] <cafuego_> slomorbo: Once it's actually release, you will know. Just like everyone else. You could try bothering the actual developers for a time, if you think that would help at all.
[06:17] <P8ntKid> pestilence: Yes.
[06:17] <raingrove> cycom, all the while i had the final release?
[06:17] <pestilence> P8ntKid: that's good syntax.  don't know what the problem is.  you running gnu/linux? :-D
[06:17] <cycom> raingrove: all the packages ther were in it, I guess :)
[06:17] <raingrove> :P
[06:17] <P8ntKid> pestilence: ??? Im on hoary
[06:17] <jgrieves_> anyone experienced in GDM?
[06:17] <joelito> the global mirror already has breezy full
[06:17] <d3vice> yeah!!!! it's out on torrent!!!
[06:17] <dabaR> jgrieves_: ask ubotu about ask
[06:18] <pestilence> P8ntKid: so `ps aux |grep esd` should work just fine.
[06:18] <cycom> crimsun: so where's the new testing release?
[06:18] <jgrieves_> dabaR its a pretty complex GDM question
[06:18] <joelito> What's your problem
[06:18] <chjchjchj> 1 more n00b q...is there an apt-get thingy for an irc client, so I can get back here to ask more dumb q's? :-)
[06:18] <jgrieves_> does anyone know how to make GDM load X on a user basis
[06:18] <raingrove> oh dont tell me i already have 5.10
[06:18] <raingrove> i want something more!
[06:18] <jgrieves_> adding a .xsession file doesn't eem to work
[06:18] <pestilence> P8ntKid: maybe this would help:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary?highlight=%28disable%29%7C%28esd%29
[06:18] <crimsun> 5.10 was not sealed until a few minutes ago
[06:18] <joelito> xchat is installed by default (ubuntu-desktop)
[06:19] <a_monkey> can somebody running breezy just quickly tell me if they have a file, /etc/fonts/local.conf
[06:19] <cafuego_> raingrove: You could install Hoary and then upgrade again, if that makes you feel better.
[06:19] <raingrove> wait
[06:19] <P8ntKid> pestilence: K, i got the comand to work.
[06:19] <crimsun> thus, while your package status may not need to be updated, you don't actually have Ubuntu 5.10 until right now.
[06:19] <dabaR> jgrieves_: you will have more luck if you ask the question. and, try to make it easy to answer. That is, if you are loking for information. If you are looking for a design of a solution, well, think about it, come up with a design, and then ask for information you are missing.
[06:19] <cameron_> hey guys!!!! ubuntu RUELS!!
[06:19] <raingrove> i keep fetching updates, but i dont get any upgradable packages
[06:19] <chjchjchj> joelito thanks for all the help; hopefully will be back here using xchat soon!
[06:19] <cafuego_> a_monkey: I don't.
[06:19] <P8ntKid> pestilence: jon      13475  0.0  0.1   3032   716 pts/1    S+   00:16   0:00 grep esd
[06:19] <aztektum> it rules too
[06:19] <dabaR> cameron_: thank you for telling us.
[06:19] <a_monkey> cafuego_: good
[06:19] <tga> cameron_, like omg!!!11
[06:19] <pestilence> P8ntKid: you're not running esd.
[06:19] <crimsun> raingrove: that's because it's sealed. You have 5.10 already.
[06:19] <joelito> np
[06:19] <pestilence> P8ntKid: so, am *really* out of ideas now ;)
[06:19] <P8ntKid> pestilence: Ok?
[06:19] <P8ntKid> pestilence: Ok.
[06:20] <P8ntKid> pestilence: Its ok. Thanks for the help though.
[06:20] <cameron_> can someone help me to decide what breezy kernel to pick for my pentium M system?
[06:20] <pestilence> P8ntKid: no problem, wish you better luck
[06:20] <bytefoo> 686
[06:20] <nayif> i have breezy rc and  i put over it my ubuntu 5.04 "backup image" than when i do restart , i found on grub ubuntu 5.10 breezy badger ,who can i fix this
[06:20] <a_monkey> cafuego_: thankyou for at least doing me that simple favor
[06:20] <P8ntKid> pestilence: Thanks.
[06:20] <crimsun> cameron_: 686
[06:20] <cameron_> what is the difference between 686 and 686-smp? ans stuff?
[06:20] <jgrieves_> dabaR, I feel like I have seen cases where GDM loads up X sessions for users, but I can't seem to get it to work, I want user BOB to start X with ___ extension, and user SUE to start X with Extensions ___
[06:20] <foxgamer> I'm guessing from the recent conversation that the new breezy is available. I'm one of those who already has it, so do I need to do just an update?
[06:20] <cameron_> i could get linux-686 or linux-image-686
[06:20] <cameron_> whats the differenc?
[06:21] <jgrieves_> foxgame, if ur on breezy just keep up with your upgrades
[06:21] <jgrieves_> welcome to the wonderful world of Ubuntu :)
[06:21] <crimsun> cameron_: get linux-686
[06:21] <gleesond> its saying I don't have an exceptable c compiler how do I fix that?
[06:21] <cameron_> or i could get linux-image-2.6.12-9-686-smp
[06:21] <dabaR> jgrieves_: I dont know anything called an X extension, maybe too technical for mee.
[06:21] <foxgamer> hehe. Thanks jgrieves_
[06:21] <crimsun> gleesond: install build-essential
[06:21] <cycom> crimsun: so is there a new 'testing release' coming out?
[06:21] <Hhhhh> question: is today's breezy distribution a release?
[06:21] <crimsun> cameron_: see what I said.
[06:21] <cameron_> crimsun:im going to try that
[06:21] <aztektum> do or do not
[06:21] <jgrieves_> dabaR ok just adding options to X then
[06:21] <zexr0> hi, Where are stored the configuration files for synaptics ? (touchpad)
[06:21] <cameron_> crimsun:but one failed earlier
[06:21] <Hhhhh> a stable release?
[06:21] <raingrove> crimsun : thus, while your package status may not need to be updated, you don't actually have Ubuntu 5.10 until right now. so although everything remains the same, i already have 5.10?
[06:21] <crimsun> cycom: not for a little bit (days)
[06:22] <jgrieves_> dabaR GDM starts X session up
[06:22] <crimsun> raingrove: yes.
[06:22] <dabaR> jgrieves_: being specific helps also. What options are you talking about exactly?
[06:22] <cycom> crimsun: any word on a code name yet? or is that all hush hush?
[06:22] <crimsun> "Dapper"
[06:22] <cameron_> crimsun:thanks
[06:22] <dabaR> no, jgrieves_ I do not think it does. gdm logs users in.
[06:22] <raingrove> haha
[06:22] <raingrove> that's great
[06:22] <cycom> crimsun: ohhhh. I've heard that, but missed it. Thanks.
[06:22] <cycom> crimsun: what's your opinion of my idea for a 'release countdown timer'?
[06:22] <foxgamer> hehe. No upgrades for breezy needed :D
[06:22] <zexr0> do you know where configuration files are stored in linux ? (switching from windows to ubuntu)
[06:23] <nayif> can any one here copy and paste his menu.lst from hory ?
[06:23] <cycom> zexr0: /etc usually
[06:23] <tritium> zexr0, /etc
[06:23] <jgrieves_> dabaR GDM loads up an X session
[06:23] <dabaR> raingrove: did you try dist-upgrade, and upgrade? that would upgrade, update updates the list.
[06:23] <jgrieves_> or else you wouldn't havea gui :)
[06:23] <cycom> zexr0: but be VERY careful in your changes.
[06:23] <jgrieves_> plus there is an Xorg process running
[06:23] <crimsun> cycom: not needed
[06:23] <budluva> where can i find my boot log? for some reason one of my harddrives didnt mount properly after hoary>breezy upgrade
[06:23] <dabaR> and what is gdm shown in? jgrieves_ text interface?
[06:23] <glick> r the mirrors synced yet?
[06:23] <cycom> crimsun: neither are code names, but they do kinda add the the experience.
[06:23] <jgrieves_> dabaR I'm sorry?
[06:23] <vladuz976> ok this has probably been asked before i logged on, but is breezy out?
[06:23] <d3vice> glick, join the torrent
[06:24] <jgrieves_> dabaR GDM loads up X and then loads up its gui, and its connection for users
[06:24] <cycom> vladuz976: YES! WOOHOO!
[06:24] <dabaR> jgrieves_: the x session is loaded, and shows you the gdm, which allows your users to log in.
[06:24] <Hhhhh> is breezy final release out yet
[06:24] <raingrove> deya
[06:24] <Licker> so what antivirus software is there for Linux?
[06:24] <raingrove> dabaR,  yes
[06:24] <vladuz976> cycom: i don't see anything ont he website
[06:24] <nalioth> d3vice: link?
[06:24] <gleesond> I ran apt-get update.... and it failed
[06:24] <jgrieves_> dabaR exactly but it then chosses the session for the user
[06:24] <budluva> Licker, apt-cache search clamav
[06:24] <tga> Licker, you only need Linux AV software if you're filtering mail or something
[06:24] <dieman> glick: ive gotten mirror.cs.umn.edu synced for just ubuntu so far, install/live isos.  some of the release.ubuntu.com mirrors are syncing still.
[06:24] <jgrieves_> dabaR it does not load up X again
[06:24] <cafuego_> Licker: clamav, but unless you serve windows clients, you don't need it.
[06:24] <d3vice> join the torrent: torrent.ubuntu.com:6969
[06:24] <nalioth> Licker: linux doesnt need an AV, but if you feel for your windows friends, use clamav
[06:24] <jgrieves_> dabaR i.e. X -dpi 8
[06:24] <_maydayj_> budluva - check /var/log/dmesg
[06:24] <zexr0> cycom, I'm trying to change the sensibility of the click of my touchpad
[06:24] <jgrieves_> if a user wants 9 bit
[06:24] <zexr0> but there's no configuration files for synaptics
[06:24] <raingrove> raingrove@raingrove:~$ sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:24] <raingrove> Reading package lists... Done
[06:24] <raingrove> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:24] <raingrove> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[06:24] <jgrieves_> 8 bit color
[06:24] <dabaR> jgrieves_: do you want your users, for example, one to log into gnome, and one to log into openbox, or do you want all to log into gnome, and then you want to set up for one usr to start a particular program after logging in?
[06:25] <Hhhhh> is breezy final release out yet?
[06:25] <tga> raingrove, BUZZ! wrong answer, you're out
[06:25] <tga> Hhhhh, RTFT
[06:25] <jgrieves_> dabaR no, its not about the ssession, I care about re-loading X with specific options
[06:25] <dabaR> Hhhhh: /topic
[06:25] <_maydayj_> Hhhhh - syncing read channel topic...
[06:25] <joelito> Hhhhh: yeah!!!
[06:25] <d3vice> Hhhhh,  join the torrent: http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969
[06:25] <pestilence> d3vice: what's the torrent for breezy?
[06:25] <d3vice> pestilence, i guess so
[06:25] <dabaR> jgrieves_: like I said, it may be just over my head.
[06:25] <nayif> when the ubuntu guide will be update to breezy?
[06:25] <shekhar> hello can someone help me with configuring openafs on breezy?
[06:25] <joelito> Already started getting the live cd torrent
[06:26] <nalioth> nayif: ubuntuguide should not be used
[06:26] <pestilence> d3vice: not quite the answer i was looking for.  *what* is the torrent for breezy?
[06:26] <jgrieves_> dabaR, im not explainign it well
[06:26] <aztektum> oh good
[06:26] <jgrieves_> if I was in a terminal
[06:26] <aztektum> now i'm gonna be up all night
[06:26] <jgrieves_> and logged in
[06:26] <dabaR> jgrieves_: I also think so;
[06:26] <d3vice> pestilence, ubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso
[06:26] <jgrieves_> I start X with xinit or starx or something
[06:26] <foxgamer> I've seen this mentioned a lot, what is torrent?
[06:26] <nalioth> crimsun: are there 4 cds to install now?
[06:26] <Hhhhh> d3vice, is final breezy out for direct dl? I don't do torrent
[06:26] <pestilence> d3vice: got a link?
[06:26] <jrr> ubuntu64, like debian64, is *not* multiarch, correct?  (chroot and debootstrap necessary for 32bit)
[06:26] <jgrieves_> dabaR but I can startx -option
[06:26] <nayif> nalioth, why?
[06:26] <d3vice> pestilence, http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969
[06:26] <Abysmal> why are the sizes diffenert @ torrent.ubuntu.com:6969 ???
[06:26] <pestilence> d3vice: i don't quite know how to find it from the info you have given
[06:26] <jgrieves_> dabaR per user
[06:26] <jgrieves_> dabaR GDM howerver starts X
[06:26] <nalioth> ubotu: tell nayif about ubuntuguide
[06:26] <pestilence> d3vice: ok. nevermind :)
[06:26] <jgrieves_> dabaR ad then does not startx again
[06:27] <jgrieves_> as far as i can tell
[06:27] <jgrieves_> it keeps the same Xsession
[06:27] <cafuego_> jrr: Well, it does run OO.org2 32bit via ia32 compat libs and no chroot.
[06:27] <foxgamer> !ubotu: tell foxgamer about torrent
[06:27] <nayif> nalioth, :) thank you and good work
[06:27] <zexr0> it seems that there is no configuration for synaptics, because my touchpad is way to sensitive to "press interpreted by a pression on it"
[06:28] <dabaR> jgrieves_: whatever, if you can explain exactly what you want, I may be able to answer. for now, I either do not know about what you are saying, or you have not said what you really want, jsut your idea of how it might be solved.
[06:28] <DjKritical> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables <-- omg this is giving me a headache and a half!
[06:28] <atripathi> Goodmorning everyone
[06:28] <pestilence> anywone know why there are 3 files named breezy-dvd-i386.iso on the tracker?
[06:28] <tritium> DjKritical, did you install build-essential?
[06:29] <Hhhhh> hmm, is it possible to get final breezy release iso without using torrent?
[06:29] <orko> I need 16GB RAM support (breezy) - possible without compiling a kernel?
[06:29] <nalioth> tritium: thats not the issue. i get that error, also
[06:29] <cycom> luckyaba: did it work and stuff?
[06:29] <DjKritical> tritium, nah I didn't.. I just installed gcc... whoops?
[06:29] <calc> orko: easy to do with an amd64 based system
[06:29] <tritium> nalioth, entonces, no tengo ningun idea
[06:29] <nayif> i need some line from menu.lst on ubuntu 5.04 ,start from title ubuntu>>> to the end ot this please .
[06:29] <nalioth> Hhhhh: yes, wait for the iso to sync with www.ubuntulinux.org/download  or visit shipit.ubuntu.com
[06:30] <jgrieves_> dabaR, last try :) my user BOB does a terminal login, uses "X -dpi 8" user SUE does a termianl log in then uses "X -dpi 24" GDM does not allow for this
[06:30] <calc> orko: 16GB on 32bit is hacky, but probably works fine with a nice slowdown (since 32bit can't support 16GB sanely)
[06:30] <jgrieves_> dabaR because it doesn't seem to read the .xsession file  Ihave
[06:30] <tritium> DjKritical, not sure if that's the issue, but we'll find out, I guess
[06:30] <orko> calc ; its an ibm x366. I can see the 4 CPU's in it,but only 4 of the 16gb ram. I dont mind building a new kernel, but thought the smp one would support >4gb ram
[06:30] <jgrieves_> dabaR GDM loads up X a user then just "logs" in albiet with a desktop
[06:30] <DjKritical> tritium, we'll find out in 60 seconds
[06:31] <tritium> ok
[06:31] <jgrieves_> dabaR but I cannot figure out how to make it use specific options for X dpeending on the user
[06:31] <calc> orko: you have to turn on pae support in the kernel, slows it down a bit
[06:31] <shekhar> hello can someone help me with ssh-kerberos config?
[06:31] <DjKritical> tritium, thanks!
[06:31] <tritium> works
[06:31] <tritium> ?
[06:31] <dabaR> I dont think it does load X, but thats just my uninformed opinion. as to the options, I do not know, I started using Linux about a year ago, with ubuntu, that has gdm by default, so I really almost never startx.
[06:32] <Pablo_C> hmm
[06:32] <DjKritical> tritium, almost... needs a couple more packages.. it's weird.. this one says "you need bison package'... why couldn't the last error message say that =(
[06:33] <Pablo_C> um... total n00b question here... but how do I add a .deb package that I have on a local disk? what the command?
[06:33] <atripathi> add ?
[06:33] <lightstar> Pablo:dpkg -i <package name>
[06:33] <shekhar> crimsun:  could you possibly point me to someone who can help me with openafs + krb5 config? i have been calling out for help every 10 min or so but can't find any punters
[06:33] <Pablo_C> hey thanks lightstar
[06:33] <jgrieves_> dabaR what gui interface do you think GDM is using?
[06:33] <lightstar> Pablo : no prob;)
[06:33] <racoon97_> Imelanie
[06:34] <tritium> DjKritical, strange
[06:34] <agent> ok ok.... so are the torrents good or are they still "being synced"?
[06:34] <jgrieves_> Pablo dpkg -i package
[06:35] <jgrieves_> oh sorry lightstar
[06:35] <dabaR> jgrieves_: I think x is started, and then gdm is loaded, and you go from tehre. But, that is irrelevant, especially if you know for a fact it is optherwise. Did you look in the /etc/gdm dir?
[06:35] <d3vice> agent, they are good
[06:35] <lightstar> jgrieves : no worries..hehe
[06:35] <calc> they look like they are there now, just have to get the ubuntu-5.10-{install,live}-* ones
[06:35] <aztektum> where's there torrent?
[06:35] <calc> aztektum: http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[06:35] <jgrieves_> dabaR yes exactly x is started
[06:35] <aztektum> bonus
[06:35] <aztektum> wait, why is there 5 different ones
[06:35] <aztektum> for the install
[06:35] <tritium> calc, what's with the various file sizes for the same image?
[06:36] <jgrieves_> dabaR but I want X to re-start for each user! with specific options like -dpi 8 for a user or -dip 24 for anoather user
[06:36] <jgrieves_> yes i've tried shutting down X in the presession directory
[06:36] <calc> install i386 617M, live i386 627M
[06:37] <jgrieves_> and then restarting X with my options
[06:37] <go1dfish> anyone know why mythgame is .17 while all the other mythtv packages are .18
[06:37] <go1dfish> and additionally why version .17 of mythgame wont install with a dependency failure
[06:37] <calc> tritium: they look right according to filesize from what i see elsewhere
[06:37] <crimsun> go1dfish: because .17 is there.
[06:37] <jgrieves_> dabaR but it does not seem to work, instead the terminal comes up and then the gdm recycles
[06:37] <qt2> reboot.
[06:37] <go1dfish> crimsun: not following you
[06:38] <hone> so are the images on the site, the right ones?
[06:38] <hone> or is it still being synced?
[06:38] <go1dfish> because you can optionally install .17?
[06:38] <sector10> how do i add something to pastebin??
[06:38] <jgrieves_> hone, yep, updated just a bit ago
[06:38] <aztektum> I haven't a dvd-r/w yet
[06:38] <crimsun> go1dfish: because no one stepped up to fix it
[06:38] <tritium> calc, I see others besides the two you listed, and they have different sizes.
[06:38] <hone> jgrieves_: so the Oct 12, time stamp is right?
[06:38] <go1dfish> ok
[06:38] <jgrieves_> yeah im  confused about the torrents :) looks like someone crewed up
[06:38] <cycom> My goal for this year is to get into a mac store, and quietly sneak an ubuntu livecd into every CD-Rom/DVD-Rom drive in the display macs and then reboot them all
[06:38] <dabaR> jgrieves_: that does not sound like something that can be done, to me, anyhow. Ask people like crimsun, bob2, tritium, or nalioth to find out from someone that may know. I dont know what this command is gonna do for you: cat /etc/gdm/gdm.conf | grep xsession you can try adding the $HOME/ dir to that list, or someting.
[06:38] <cycom> UBUNTU > OSX!
[06:39] <foxgamer> how do you use bittorrent?
[06:39] <calc> the correct names are ubuntu-5.10-{install,live}-*
[06:39] <dabaR> jgrieves_: altho they would have told you by now if they had read ity.
[06:39] <go1dfish> where/who should I mention this to to get it looked at
[06:39] <jgrieves_> hone, I think so it wasn't there a minute ago
[06:39] <synackuator> cycom: the mac fanbois would crucify you!
[06:39] <crimsun> the topic says it all, really.
[06:39] <cycom> I own one macintosh, I got it for free, and it's from like 1991
[06:39] <dabaR> jgrieves_: and knew what to do.
[06:39] <jgrieves_> dabaR thanks
[06:39] <cycom> synackuator: they'd have to catch me first.
[06:39] <Hobbsee> !tell foxgamer about bittorrent
[06:39] <nalioth> darkheart: you just confused the stuffin out of me
[06:39] <calc> of which there are only 6 on the torrent site
[06:39] <zcat[1] > foxgamer: apt-get install gnome-torrent then you can just click the links..
[06:39] <tritium> thanks, calc
[06:39] <synackuator> cycom: roflcopters
[06:39] <jgrieves_> dabaR perhaps they can't see between all of the hpe abou the release )
[06:39] <foxgamer> Thanks Hobbsee :)
[06:39] <cycom> synackuator: they'd be too distracted by the 'substrate' screensaver I'd set.
[06:39] <nalioth> jgrieves_: wait until a torrent appears on www.ubuntulinux.org/download
[06:39] <Hobbsee> no problems foxgamer
[06:39] <aztektum> so any 6 of those names is a valid link? heh weird
[06:39] <zcat[1] > ahh, happy now..
[06:40] <aztektum> nevermind
[06:40] <sector10> nalioth: how do i add something to pastebin?
[06:40] <synackuator> cycom: they would be like wtf that kid fux0red our macs
[06:40] <hone> are the torrents messed up?
[06:40] <calc> aztektum: erm live install for i386 amd64 powerpc
[06:40] <Hobbsee> i'm so glad i've already got breezy lol...saves downloading it now
[06:40] <calc> aztektum: so yea all six are valid ;)
[06:40] <cycom> synackuator: and then they'd be like 'whooooa...an OS that is free, that has a lot of free stuff, that like...works and doesn't die!'
[06:40] <jgrieves_> hone *shrugs* listen to these guys, I refreshed and saw that they wre there
[06:40] <DShepherd> so it doesnt matter which of the duplicartes i download?
[06:40] <zcat[1] > http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/file?info_hash=%F7_%5DX%7E%10k%FD%EE%E9%B8%C0fd%C2%7E%E0%B5nF
[06:40] <calc> DShepherd: there are no duplicates of the release
[06:40] <jgrieves_> hone and assumed it was updated
[06:41] <cycom> synackuator: and then they'd all fall over dead. just because.
[06:41] <calc> DShepherd: reread what was said
[06:41] <nalioth> ubotu: tell sector10 about pastebin
[06:41] <synackuator> cycom: you could aqua up gnome and they wouldn't even notice the difference
[06:41] <hone> jgrieves_: yeah I thought since the iso was up it was good
[06:41] <cycom> synackuator: GOOD IDEA!
[06:41] <jgrieves_> nalioth did you happen to catch any of my GDM questions?
[06:41] <cycom> synackuator: I'd come back a week later and be like 'you know that's ubuntu linux, right?'
[06:41] <sector10> nalioth: thanks
[06:41] <calc> or just wait until you can get the torrent file itself off a mirror ;)
[06:42] <nalioth> jgrieves_: i am dizzy from the speed this channel is moving
[06:42] <nalioth> jgrieves_: join #kubuntu-offtopic where it's a little slower
[06:42] <zcat[1] >  status:   connecting to peers (0.0%)
[06:42] <zcat[1] > Hmm..
[06:42] <jgrieves_> nalioth im sorry, will head over there if thats ok
[06:42] <synackuator> cycom: just place a timer that says pwnt in like a week
[06:42] <Abysmal> anyone d/ling yet??
[06:42] <crimsun> nalioth: just wait til all the new install and dist-upgrade folks pop in ;-)
[06:42] <cycom> it'd be like taking somones jaguar, replacing everything inside with ferrari parts, but leaving the jag frame, and then suddenly popping th hood and showing them the shiny ferrari logo
[06:42] <cycom> only free.
[06:42] <sockpuppe1> say I have a bunch of pictures that I want to weave into a slideshow
[06:43] <sockpuppe1> and then burn to dvd and have it play on any computer
[06:43] <calc> the i386 install should be pretty fast there are lots of people downloading it
[06:43] <sockpuppe1> how do Ii go about that?
[06:43] <nalioth> crimsun: i have contingency plans in place (goin fishin)
[06:43] <sockpuppe1> I dist upgraded
[06:43] <crimsun> nalioth: mine are sleeping.
[06:43] <sockpuppe1> lol
[06:43] <cycom> hey, what's the typical life of a DVD burner? like how many discs can it burn before it goes 'BLaahhhhhhhhhh......'
[06:43] <ubuntuking> right getting about 120 k
[06:44] <hone> life of a dvd burner?
[06:44] <omp> download links on http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.10/ are broken :x
[06:44] <crimsun> omp: topic.
[06:44] <zcat[1] > still waiting for torrent to start :(
[06:44] <ubuntuking> you can download through the torrent
[06:44] <aztektum> the links at your link haven't quite started working at allyet
[06:44] <zcat[1] > Woooh, it's off!!
[06:44] <nayif> who use smartlink with breezy ?
[06:44] <ducky_> I added vga=792 to my grub config and now I have a better resolutions but I still don't have color and the tux icon on the top of the screen like I see in other distros.
[06:44] <lampshade> Hi everybody
[06:44] <sockpuppe1> did the official version come out yet?
[06:44] <ubuntuking> yeah
[06:44] <sockpuppe1> hey lampshade
[06:44] <ubuntuking> it is out
[06:44] <jwd_> hey I kind of have a generic question
[06:44] <concept10> anyone prefer the gnome torrent over azureus?
[06:44] <cpalma> torrent is going slow atm :(
[06:44] <nayif> i can not get it work like on hory?
[06:45] <zcat[1] > 1k/s down..
[06:45] <ducky_> I've beens searching the forum and stuff and I'm not finding how to do this
[06:45] <crimsun> ducky_: we don't use that.
[06:45] <jwd_> trying to compile windowmaker on ubuntu
[06:45] <ubuntuking> u can download it from ubuntu website
[06:45] <aztektum> my torrent is fast as crazy
[06:45] <jwd_> found a solution for my error
[06:45] <jwd_> its a patch
[06:45] <aztektum> 275-300kB/s
[06:45] <d3vice> my torrent is at 60kb/s
[06:45] <sockpuppe1> so can anyone answer my dvd qustion
[06:45] <jwd_> but don't know what to do with it
[06:45] <lampshade> concept10:  I prefer azureues because of the features it has that I like.  The tracking, the setting share limits so I don't keep sharing forever, etc
[06:45] <fr33mind> I have an annoying problems with my keyboard layout.  I try to set to fr_CA but I can't change it.  Something corrupt.  It's stay in en_US.  If I do "reset to default" in keyboard layout, I have 4..5...8 dialog box with the same error... but sometimes I retreive the right layour (fr_CA) by luck!!  Or by doing apt-get install xmodmap ou xkbd___lib... etc... but at reboot, same prob.  And I can't click the checkbox "default".  Any idea?  A package I should
[06:45] <fr33mind>  install?  gconf to modify maybe?
[06:45] <ubuntuking> i am getting 120 k
[06:45] <zcat[1] > 3K/s
[06:45] <calc> concept10: azureus is much more detailed, but gnome torrent probably uses less ram
[06:45] <crimsun> jwd_: apply it using patch
[06:45] <ice_> !mp3
[06:45] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:45] <jaramillo> which one of all those breezy-install-i386.iso's is the 1st one ? (bootable one)
[06:45] <cycom> crimsun: what if I want a little tux at boot though?
[06:45] <ubuntuking> the one that ends in .ISO
[06:46] <zcat[1] > breezy == WRONG .  ubuntu-5.10 == RIGHT
[06:46] <cycom> crimsun: is it possible to put it back?
[06:46] <fr33mind> Oh also, I put an applet to know wich keyboard I have...
[06:46] <calc> jaramillo: none
[06:46] <concept10> lampshade, calc I like azureus but i havent installed it on breezy yet
[06:46] <jwd_> just in the WindowMaker directory?
[06:46] <calc> jaramillo: the ubuntu-5.10-install-* is what you want
[06:46] <zcat[1] > apparently..
[06:46] <crimsun> cycom: everything's possible. Whether it's feasible is another story.
[06:46] <nayif> *  is i'm only who use modem on the world?
[06:46] <cycom> crimsun: meaning?
[06:46] <jaramillo> oh
[06:46] <sockpuppe1> anyone have an answer?
[06:46] <jaramillo> i get it, thx ;D
[06:47] <calc> nayif: yes
[06:47] <fr33mind> I can't display layout view... (empty dialog) it's showing: en_US, at groups menu item, I have empty selection..
[06:47] <nayif> calc, oh thank you :)
[06:47] <crimsun> cycom: meaning you can, but it'll be a bit of work.
[06:47] <stpere> nayif, I'm on 56K here
[06:47] <calc> i haven't used a modem in nearly 8 years
[06:47] <cycom> crimsun: it'd be very important to somone I know, because she happens to love penguins.  Her laptop is literally covered in pictures of penguins, but she runs windows.  If i can get it to have a little tux when it boots, she will probobly explode with joy.
[06:47] <aztektum> i did recently
[06:47] <cycom> crimsun: and also date me.
[06:47] <aztektum> it sucked
[06:48] <nayif> stpere, what modem you use than?
[06:48] <Hobbsee> sockpuppe1: if they did, they probably would have replied by now
[06:48] <crimsun> cycom: that's cheap. I'd look at modifying the usplash image. It's cooler anyhow.
[06:48] <sockpuppe1> LoL
[06:48] <calc> switched to isdn -> sdsl -> adsl -> cable
[06:48] <concept10> Ive been on breezy for a couple of weeks with an avg. of 50-150 updates a day, today on release date, 10 updates only?!
[06:48] <stpere> nayif, a 3com model
[06:48] <sockpuppe1> hobbsee good sense of humour!
[06:48] <lampshade> cycom:  I know archlinx boots with a framebuffer that shows a little penguin while stuff loads... perhaps they have something you could use?  I think knoppix does too... if that helps...
[06:48] <nayif> stpere, businessoffice?
[06:48] <glick> does anyone use koffice.org
[06:48] <glick> ?
[06:48] <ubuntuking> concept10, you probably got all of them
[06:48] <cycom> crimsun: The most satisfying moment of my life was when I got a free computer, and instead of seeing one tux, I saw two, because it was a dual processor box.
[06:48] <glick> besides the developers of koffice.org?
[06:49] <zcat[1] > I installed the kubunto preview three weeks ago on a non-net PPC .. haven't installed any updates yet :)\
[06:49] <cycom> lampshade: ooh....
[06:49] <calc> glick: isn't it just called koffice?
[06:49] <stpere> nayif, dunno, it came OEM with my computer
[06:49] <budluva> so its official, breezy's out? http://releases.ubuntu.com/5.10/ ???
[06:49] <nayif> calc, i will use it like you but after 8 years
[06:49] <glick> calc, yeah
[06:49] <calc> glick: openoffice.org is called that due to not checking if their name was already used
[06:49] <stpere> nayif, model 5610
[06:49] <crimsun> budluva: topic.
[06:49] <Hobbsee> sockpuppe1: hehehe...you'd need some sort of program to do it, but i really couldnt help you out in what it would be
[06:49] <MrGnash> What does it mean that 5.10 release is being synced?
[06:49] <aztektum> i've had cable or dsl for nearly a solid 6 years. had to use a modem the other day. that was like wading into a cold pond hearing it squeal as it dialed out
[06:49] <Paradoxx> i'm sure this question has been asked 50 times in the last hr....
[06:49] <aztektum> but i digress
[06:49] <crimsun> MrGnash: that means the mirrors are getting it
[06:49] <Paradoxx> but is breezy up now?
[06:49] <jwd_> crimsun: should it take a long time?
[06:49] <budluva> crimsun, yeah but final iso is downloadable
[06:50] <sockpuppe1> Ive been looking for some time now
[06:50] <MrGnash> Ahh ok, thanks crimsun.
[06:50] <calc> budluva: i'm pretty sure crimsun knows that ;)
[06:50] <zcat[1] > Paradoxx: in torrent at least .. I think the topic has it?
[06:50] <cycom> budluva: from some of them, but probobly not all of them.
[06:50] <bonee> how do i extract all files that is .bz2 in a folder
[06:50] <sockpuppe1> crimsun is the man
[06:50] <calc> crimsun: did you know that? :)
[06:50] <Paradoxx> so if i do an upgrade everything should b ok
[06:50] <Paradoxx> :D
[06:50] <stpere> nayif, why? having problems?
[06:50] <zcat[1] > umm can someone put that torrent page into the topic then?
[06:50] <crimsun> calc: no-win situation ;-)
[06:50] <sockpuppe1> Crimsun as a matter of  fact I owe you a beer
[06:50] <bur[n] er> release being synced... that mean an .iso is available for download or getting there still? ;)
[06:51] <calc> bur[n] er: you can get it via torrent already
[06:51] <F1TrI> hai
[06:51] <crimsun> bur[n] er: it's available on certain sites. Others are still syncing.
[06:51] <Licker> what kinda linux antivirus do they got out>?
[06:51] <MrGnash> Torrent is finally picking up speed - 47 kB/s now :)
[06:51] <carthik> bur[n] er, some mirrors it is, on some it is not yet ready - better wait till all mirrors are synced
[06:51] <zcat[1] > http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ <- the ones you want are "ubuntu-5.10-* down near the bottom, NOT the breezy- torrents..
[06:51] <Hobbsee> bur[n] er: patience...
[06:51] <bur[n] er> hrm... torrent works :)
[06:52] <foxgamer> what's a bittorrent meta file? It's asking me for one
[06:52] <nayif> stpere, on breezy my winmodem not work like on hory http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installsmartlinkdriver ,because this form the kernel 2.6.10 not 2.6.12
[06:52] <lampshade> Licker:  there are some, but it isn't like a common thing imho.  Not many people install them that I know
[06:52] <bur[n] er> thanks zcat[1] 
[06:52] <lampshade> because there just aren't a lot of viruses
[06:52] <zcat[1] > 30K now.. picking up some momentum at least!
[06:52] <zcat[1] > *last
[06:52] <nayif> stpere, i think may it need update or somethink i dont know
[06:52] <fr33mind> nobody knows how the f*cking keyboard selector works in gnome?
[06:52] <stania> I'm downloading breezy in korea, and I think i'm a first download in korea... so my download speed is slower than upload spead..
[06:52] <aztektum> sweet my torrent just jacked up to 500kB/s
[06:52] <s3[mn] rain> Ok, I found the solution to my tar problem, it appears that "tar -cvjf test.bz2 --exclude=downloads forum" works but "tar -cvjf test.bz2 forum --exclude=downloads" does not, It appears that the exclude needs to come before you specify the files to archive...
[06:52] <fr33mind> I ask for a week!!
[06:53] <synd> Where's the HDD mounted at by default?
[06:53] <Severian> Should I be concerned that tonights updates are failing with illegal instruction errors?
[06:53] <cycom> oh! I should set up a torrent! I don't need the discs, but share the wealth, yeah?!
[06:53] <bur[n] er> zcat[1] : yep
[06:53] <asparagui> zcat: yes.
[06:53] <calc> wow some of the mirrors are fast
[06:53] <mustard5> fr33mind, apparently not
[06:53] <calc> i'm downloading at 500KB+ from one
[06:53] <dieman> calc: which one?
[06:53] <jmworx> Hi, I just finished installing a breezy pre-release and then updated to the latest packages. Is my system now exactly as it would have been if I instaled the final Breezy release?
[06:53] <calc> dieman: its a secret ;)
[06:53] <dieman> heh
[06:53] <dieman> calc: im jsut wondering
[06:53] <crimsun> jmworx: yes.
[06:53] <dieman> mirror.cs.umn.edu should be fast, its only pushing 21mbps or so
[06:54] <nayif> dieman, usa or german
[06:54] <bur[n] er> use torrents... help out ;)
[06:54] <glick> looks like all the mirrors are synced!
[06:54] <jmworx> crimsun: thanks
[06:54] <dieman> nayif: im in the usa
[06:54] <dieman> nick is more based off my last name
[06:54] <dieman> than anything german
[06:54] <synd> Where's the HDD mounted at by default?
[06:54] <aztektum> synd, inside your case
[06:54] <el_alexluna> it's Breezy ready?
[06:54] <aztektum> *rim shot*
[06:54] <nayif> dieman, this "usa or german" answer not Q
[06:54] <glick> el_alexluna, yup
[06:54] <dieman> nayif: oh ;)
[06:55] <synd> aztektum: Bleh.
[06:55] <zcat[1] > 50k's down now..
[06:55] <bur[n] er> uploading 50 though :)
[06:55] <zcat[1] > and 90k's up, hell!!
[06:55] <calc> my download slowed to ~ 435KB/s
[06:55] <bur[n] er> lol
[06:55] <barnett> lucky bitch
[06:55] <barnett> mine's 229
[06:55] <barnett> :-P
[06:56] <nayif> time to ZZz see you guys soon :)
[06:56] <cpalma> im getting 7kb but thats the top of my connection :D
[06:56] <calc> of course i don't know if firefox is accurate or not
[06:56] <aztektum> Mine is bouncing between 500 and 525 down, i have it capped to 30 up
[06:56] <vladuz976> anybody know a guide to the expert mode installation?
[06:56] <tga> !offtopic
[06:56] <ubotu> #ubuntu should be kept to support for the Ubuntu OS. For random discussion, join #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:56] <el_alexluna> where i can download?
[06:56] <tga> vladuz976, you mean the 'server' install or there's a real expert mode
[06:57] <jgrieves_> holy mackerl that mirror is FAST
[06:57] <jgrieves_> my torrent is slow as molassis
[06:57] <freddy> is the new ubuntu already released? i read the topic..but dont know if that is breezy...
[06:57] <MrGnash> el_alexluna: http://releases.ubuntu.com/5.10/
[06:57] <Hobbsee> freddy: it's breezy
[06:57] <freddy> oh my god!
[06:57] <freddy> new ubuntu!
[06:57] <freddy> awesome
[06:57] <freddy> thanks Hobbsee
[06:58] <synd> Where's the HDD mounted at by default?
[06:58] <vladuz976> tga: no you can type "expert" at the prompt after booting the cd. just like the sarge installer. but when i get to apt configuration it fails. it says not an ubuntu cd in my drive, but it is
[06:58] <Hobbsee> you'll see lots of people talking about how fast their torrent is going to download it :P
[06:58] <calc> synd: /
[06:58] <freddy> is there something really big about this new release?
[06:58] <tga> vladuz976, sorry, no idea
[06:58] <cycom> Torrent Started!  Share the wealth!
[06:58] <el_alexluna> MrGnash, ok ok
[06:58] <synd> calc: ~/ ?
[06:58] <aztektum> i just had a burst to 608kB/s ...
[06:58] <jrr> freddy: gnome 2.12 for starters =] 
[06:58] <DaSkreech> freddy: Yeah It brings your grandmother's cookies back in huge piles
[06:58] <el_alexluna> MrGnash, thanks
[06:58] <MrGnash> For me it's the installer - I don't have to partition my drive manually LOL
[06:58] <calc> synd: your hd is the root
[06:58] <tga> aztektum, we don't care, really
[06:58] <MrGnash> You're welcome
[06:58] <zenrox> please donate bandwith to the torrent dont slam the servers
[06:58] <calc> synd: if you have more than one partition you can put it elsewhere
[06:58] <freddy> DaSkreech, thanks, my grandmother died 2 days ago :(
[06:58] <jgrieves_> hey somebody got on my mirror i'md own to 344 kb
[06:58] <DShepherd> ubuntu = the brown sugar  :D
[06:58] <calc> synd: but the main one has to be at /
[06:59] <DShepherd> :)
[06:59] <DaSkreech> hi nalioth
[06:59] <aztektum> you must care one way or the other or you wouldn't have bothered saying anything at all.
[06:59] <synd> calc: Thank ya.
[06:59] <zcat[1] > 300K up.. I'm doing my part to spread the goodness!!
[06:59] <calc> once i get this downloaded i'll start it up on the torrent for amd64 install
[06:59] <jrattner1> has breezy officially been released  yet?
[06:59] <aztektum> yes j
[06:59] <aztektum> it has
[06:59] <zenrox> 864k /ul speed here
[06:59] <jrattner1> where? bit torrent
[06:59] <synd> nalioth: This place has gotten bad.
[06:59] <calc> currently there are only 5 seeds
[06:59] <zcat[1] > http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ <- the ones you want are "ubuntu-5.10-* down near the bottom, NOT the breezy- torrents..
[07:00] <nayif> Ubuntu 5.10 "The Breezy Badger" Preview Release "http://www.ubuntu.com/download/" update this line :)
[07:00] <zenrox> calc,  more are being added ever 5 mins
[07:00] <freddy> jrr, nice
[07:00] <nalioth> synd: it's a madhouse atm
[07:00] <cycom> awright.  How the hell is it that gaim, released in Ubuntu, thinks that the word 'Ubuntu' is a spelling mistake?
[07:00] <jgrieves_> im doig my best with bit torrent :)
[07:00] <jrattner1> why is breezy DVD 386 0.0 Gib
[07:00] <nalioth> zcat[1] : releases.ubuntu.com/5.10
[07:00] <tga> jrattner1, high compression
[07:00] <nalioth> zcat[1] : less confusing
[07:00] <DaSkreech> cycom: Right click -> add -> not a problem
[07:00] <nalioth> jrattner1: less calories
[07:01] <crimsun> cycom: you don't have the necessary dictionary installed.
[07:01] <funkyHat> :D
[07:01] <calc> jrattner1: there isn't an official dvd out yet will be available soon
[07:01] <zcat[1] > cool!!
[07:01] <jrattner1> nalioth, is the i386 DVD still active?
[07:01] <jrattner1> just the cd version is avaiable
[07:01] <zcat[1] > no kubuntu-5.10 yet? :-(
[07:01] <fatejudger> BREEZY BADGER KICKS ASS!?!?!?!?!?
[07:01] <crimsun> zcat[1] : syncing.
[07:01] <nalioth> jrattner1: they are syncing as we speak
[07:01] <freddy> http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/images/af/af-shot2.png  <----- what the fuck?
[07:01] <tga> fatejudger, no
[07:01] <crimsun> I swear I did put it in the topic for a reason... :-)
[07:01] <nalioth> freddy: please watch your tongue
[07:02] <calc> zcat[1] : edubuntu is being mirrored and then kubuntu (aiui)
[07:02] <jrattner1> nalioth, i have to go to bed i got midterms soon should i wait the 20 mins or do you think it wont be sinked yet
[07:02] <funkyHat> crimsun, who the hell reads topics?
[07:02] <zenrox> crimsun,  look at the topic in #ubuntuforums
[07:02] <zcat[1] > I should look at edubuntu as well..
[07:02] <jrattner1> yes
[07:02] <fatejudger> freddy: lol, nice pic
[07:02] <nalioth> jrattner1: i'm sure that any time tomorrow the torrent will fly down
[07:02] <jrattner1> YES i've been waiting for this YES for wirless networks :  )
[07:02] <calc> freddy: its a new 2.12 feature
[07:02] <jgrieves_> freddy that's funny
[07:02] <jrattner1> i cant wait :  )
[07:02] <glick> half a meg a sec, not bad
[07:02] <fatejudger> I need Kubuntu!
[07:03] <jgrieves_> soon Gnome will implement Blue screens to help better our lives :)
[07:03] <fatejudger> when are is it going to be done syncing?
[07:03] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: then go get it :P
[07:03] <freddy> calc, you serious?
[07:03] <tapox> 5.10 being synced? What does that mean?
[07:03] <calc> hmm mine keeps slowing down, i should have used torrent ;)
[07:03] <fatejudger> it isn't out yet
[07:03] <funkyHat> zenrox, hahaha
[07:03] <Hobbsee> tapox: going to the mirrors
[07:03] <glick> its synced
[07:03] <tga> tapox, it means it's unsynced at the moment
[07:03] <calc> freddy: no, it was on david's blog a long time ago as a joke
[07:03] <tapox> hobbsee: Okay, thanks
[07:03] <carthik> tapox, means that mirrors worldwide are copying the cd/dvd images to their servers...
[07:03] <jgrieves_> DANG it if this room wasn't so busy i would have gotten a laugh!
[07:03] <freddy> calc, ah LOL
[07:03] <fr33mind> What are you using for RAD dev ?
[07:03] <freddy> nice one
[07:03] <jrattner1> if i want to download the official DVD release of 5.10 with the live cd which torrent should i choose
[07:03] <Riddell> fatejudger: still syncing
[07:04] <calc> jrattner1: not available yet
[07:04] <fatejudger> Riddell: how would you know?
[07:04] <jrattner1> calc, but is there a torrent address so i can just get it to connect
[07:04] <calc> fatejudger: because he is kubuntu ;)
[07:04] <fatejudger> holy crap
[07:04] <fatejudger> Riddell: what's the Estimated Time Remaining?
[07:04] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: hehe
[07:04] <nalioth> jrattner1: releases.ubuntu.com/5.10
[07:04] <calc> jrattner1: not yet afaict
[07:04] <tapox> should I burn an ISO or upgrade through apt-get?
[07:04] <aztektum> are they dropping the "name" scheme for releases now?
[07:05] <jsgotangco> in a few hours =)
[07:05] <Riddell> fatejudger: no idea, depends on the mood of the mirrors and the bandwidth available.  hour maybe
[07:05] <cycom> jgrieves_: noone who has had to deal with them thought is was funny :)
[07:05] <s3[mn] rain> you guys got ants in your pants or something? just wait for the official announcement...
[07:05] <Hobbsee> tapox: you can do either
[07:05] <freddy> oh my god...the new 2.12 is awesome...im watching the screenshots
[07:05] <jgrieves_> cycom haha
[07:05] <fatejudger> Riddell: One hour? I can't wait that long.
[07:05] <tapox> hobbsee: is one way better then the other?
[07:05] <cafuego_> aztektum: No, "Breezy Badger". Next is "Dapper Drake".
[07:05] <calc> aztektum: no just the final release doesn't use the name
[07:05] <cycom> freddy: 2.12 of what?
[07:05] <ajmitch_> fatejudger: sure you can
[07:05] <fatejudger> am I going to have to torrent it or can I do a direct download?
[07:05] <jsgotangco> freddy, correction, that's 2.12.1 =)
[07:05] <jgrieves_> cycom I'm enjoying the RED in Vista
[07:05] <Hobbsee> tapox: cd is safer than dist upgrade
[07:05] <ajmitch_> Riddell: good work on getting kubuntu in shape :)
[07:05] <chavo> fatejudger, are you going to spontaneously combust?
[07:05] <aztektum> oh
[07:05] <Riddell> ajmitch_: hmm, still some shaping to do I fear
[07:06] <fatejudger> chavo: I might
[07:06] <Bicchi> by looking at the torrents you can tell that most people are still using i386 architecture (i386=167) (amd64=14)
[07:06] <cycom> jgrieves_:  I think you should be able to customize it!
[07:06] <freddy> cycom, gnome
[07:06] <ajmitch_> Riddell: -updates?
[07:06] <chavo> ooh, do you have a webcam?
[07:06] <Riddell> ajmitch_: yeah
[07:06] <freddy> jsgotangco, ah ok
[07:06] <jgrieves_> cycom LOL splash image in the background
[07:06] <tapox> Hobbsee: Okay, thanks again.
[07:06] <chavo> that would be cool :)
[07:06] <aztektum> heh
[07:06] <cycom> jgrieves_: it should just be a big middle finger
[07:06] <nickrud> time machine?
[07:06] <cafuego_> Bicchi: Either that or the amd64 people were running breezy all along (coz Hoary amd64 sucked)
[07:06] <calc> Bicchi: that will probably change over the next year since most new systems are already amd64
[07:06] <MagicFab_Montrea> Breezy is live :)
[07:06] <ajmitch_> Riddell: ah well, it's been looking good anyway
[07:06] <jsgotangco> DaSkreech, archves aren't opened yet
[07:06] <chavo> DaSkreech, dapper is so ten minutes ago
[07:06] <calc> Bicchi: eg all celeron 3x1 p4 5x1 6xx 8xx and athlon64
[07:06] <aztektum> MagicFab is lagged
[07:06] <jgrieves_> cycom up Bill Gate's butt
[07:06] <aztektum> hehe
[07:06] <ajmitch_> Riddell: hopefully we don't have to get too much into universe updates
[07:07] <DaSkreech> DShepherd: Out See you soon
[07:07] <Bicchi> calc: i am running it now and it rocks
[07:07] <foxgamer> How do I get a tracker for bittorrent?
[07:07] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: LATER MAN
[07:07] <calc> foxgamer: http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[07:07] <calc> foxgamer: there you go a tracker
[07:07] <MagicFab_Mtl> aztektum: well, had to clik on those torrents first... ;)
[07:07] <carthik> jrattner1, you can get it at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/ for now... wont change much from the release and you'll beat the rush
[07:07] <foxgamer> thanks calc :)
[07:07] <Bicchi> cafuego_: no it didn't suck, i was using it
[07:08] <hater2win> Lucky Ubuntu users...
[07:08] <hater2win> We Kubuntu'ers have to wait...
[07:08] <alexr> Hi there. I apologize for asking the obvious, but are there any torrents to grab the ISOs?
[07:08] <esc_ape> so is http://releases.ubuntu.com/5.10/ the final?
[07:08] <fatejudger> hater2win: j00 are teh gay!
[07:08] <crimsun> hater2win: no you don't.
[07:08] <hater2win> fatejudger: STFU!?!?!?!?
[07:08] <Dimi128> Would anyone here be willing to listen to a rather lengthy story and then maybe point me in the right direction?
[07:08] <crimsun> hater2win: install, update, [dist-] upgrade
[07:08] <calc> crimsun: update the topic to point people at torrent site ;)
[07:09] <hater2win> crimsun: i know i know, but still heh
[07:09] <esc_ape> alexr - see the link I posted
[07:09] <jgrieves_> darn it my mirror is getting busy
[07:09] <hone> alexr: yes chec k the release page
[07:09] <cycom> jgrieves_: ok, that's a little over the top
[07:09] <fatejudger> hater2win: I hate you, you never listen to me!
[07:09] <fatejudger> *cries*
[07:09] <cycom> jgrieves_: or...ahem....in the bottom.
[07:09] <cpalma> alexr: yes, go to http://releases.ubuntu.com/5.10/
[07:09] <jgrieves_> cycom your right sorry, considering i worked for them :D
[07:09] <esc_ape> the release is final correct?
[07:09] <cycom> jgrieves_: ooh! ouch! so did my uncle though.
[07:09] <jgrieves_> cycom LOL
[07:09] <cycom> jgrieves_: I also have an uncle at Sun.
[07:09] <funkyHat> :O i don't believe yout
[07:09] <funkyHat> *you
[07:09] <cycom> the uncle at MSFT moved on though.
[07:09] <funkyHat> breezy has not been released
[07:09] <jgrieves_> cycom now u just need an uncle at IBM
[07:09] <fatejudger> hater2win: stupid bean bandit
[07:10] <calc> funkyHat: looks like it has to me ;)
[07:10] <funkyHat> i only have 16 packages to update!
[07:10] <delaney> i have none
[07:10] <jgrieves_> cycom now I am at IBM :)
[07:10] <funkyHat> this cannot be true!
[07:10] <cycom> jgrieves_: doing what?
[07:10] <funkyHat> not even a kernel update!
[07:10] <alexr> esc_ape: thanks!
[07:10] <jgrieves_> funkyHat you've been up to date all the time, :)
[07:10] <funkyHat> hehehehe :P i know
[07:10] <jgrieves_> FunkyHat for a kick go install a Conly 1 CD and see what happens with upgrading
[07:10] <NoUse> jgrieves_ is that true?
[07:10] <jgrieves_> cycom AIX
[07:10] <cycom> jgrieves_: Mac has finally gone to the dark side and gone intel.  Of course, microsoft went PPC in the 360 yeah?
[07:10] <cycom> jgrieves_: AIX?
[07:10] <crimsun> jgrieves_: at rchland?
[07:11] <jgrieves_> cycom yeah they went away from our chips, no great loss is our feeling
[07:11] <jgrieves_> cycom AIX = POWER operating system
[07:11] <cycom> jgrieves_: I can't wait to see mac flounder in the intel world
[07:11] <shermanator> oooo those ubuntu mirrors are going to get a beating today
[07:11] <jgrieves_> cycom Austin, TX
[07:11] <cycom> jgrieves_: how much does it cost?
[07:11] <Bicchi> whats inside the ubuntu-5.04-dvd-amd64.iso ? its 2.65GB
[07:11] <calc> jgrieves_: austins nice :)
[07:11] <crimsun> jgrieves_: ah, I was at rchland doing auiml
[07:11] <calc> Bicchi: hoary
[07:11] <jgrieves_> cycom they only sell AIX with the boxes
[07:12] <aztektum> Bicchi, lots of 1's and 0's
[07:12] <Dimi128> Is there any way to un-do updates, when I aparently used an unstable source " deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted  "  And was presented with updates and applied them without really watching what was updated?
[07:12] <jgrieves_> cycom agreed,  and cool
[07:12] <cycom> jgrieves_: aww. what kind of boxes
[07:12] <cycom> jgrieves_: methinks we should take this to /query
[07:12] <Bicchi> axtektum: smart
[07:12] <calc> jgrieves_: so does ibm have linux stuff in austin?
[07:12] <calc> stuff being dept/etc
[07:12] <crimsun> there's a ltc at austin
[07:13] <crimsun> quite a few kernel hackers there
[07:13] <sambrista> hello
[07:13] <nalioth> crimsun: ltc?
[07:13] <sambrista> when are they going to release ubuntu 5.10??
[07:13] <aztektum> they did
[07:14] <hone> sambrista: it's released
[07:14] <seth_k> mirrors are all synced up :)
[07:14] <sambrista> the final version?
[07:14] <sambrista> not the preview?
[07:14] <jgrieves_> calc Linux on Power baby :)
[07:14] <hone> sambrista: yes
[07:14] <sambrista> oh! thanks!
[07:14] <sambrista> bye!
[07:14] <aztektum> haha
[07:14] <nalioth> crimsun: not http://releases.ubuntu.com/5.10    ?
[07:15] <aztektum> torrents are nice
[07:15] <jgrieves_> calc yeah linux guys are in the building next to me
[07:15] <calc> jgrieves_: they hire linux guys often?
[07:15] <zcat[1] > nobody wants it.. by uploads have dropped way down again..
[07:15] <NoUse> jgrieves_ haha I'm at IBM in Chicago
[07:15] <jgrieves_> calc im sure their looking for a few good men :)
[07:15] <crimsun> there.
[07:15] <nalioth> crimsun: less confusion that way, i believe
[07:15] <jgrieves_> NoUSe Greetings!
[07:15] <calc> i don't see anything open on their site :\
[07:15] <crimsun> nalioth: yeah, and it's canonical (no pun intended ;-)
[07:16] <nickrud> ah, that's better, 60K up
[07:16] <calc> well related to linux in austin anyway
[07:16] <jgrieves_> calc really?  I guess im used to their intranet
[07:16] <jgrieves_> calc they have lnux forums now
[07:16] <nalioth> crimsun: heh. whats an ltc?
[07:16] <calc> jgrieves_: cool
[07:16] <crimsun> linux technology center
[07:16] <jgrieves_> calc Linux on power...suupposedly
[07:16] <jgrieves_> NoUse what are you doing up their in Chicago
[07:16] <crimsun> jgrieves_: believe it, I saw it.
[07:16] <calc> i live in houston right now
[07:16] <calc> trying to find a better job though
[07:16] <NoUse> jgrieves_ I'm in the Innovation Center, IT Specialist
[07:17] <jgrieves_> crimsun, saw what?
[07:17] <jgrieves_> the linux techonolgy center?
[07:17] <aztektum> linux on power
[07:17] <crimsun> jgrieves_: oh, I thought you meant linux on power
[07:17] <jgrieves_> NoUse innovation!!!! woo hoo
[07:17] <jgrieves_> crimsun oh yeah
[07:17] <nalioth> crimsun: is that a static thing or a meet type thing?
[07:18] <crimsun> nalioth: it's something like an overarching "department"
[07:18] <Dimi128> "503 Connect failed" could anyone at least please tell me what reasons there could be for getting this message for every repositorie. other than (your not connected) cause I am.
[07:18] <jgrieves_> AIX is a pretty strong OS its not good at a LOT but what it does it does WELL
[07:18] <jgrieves_> xcat[1]  cheers!!!
[07:18] <nalioth> crimsun: are there linux geeks there who'll sign gpg keys?
[07:18] <zcat[1] > g3 is power :)
[07:18] <crimsun> nalioth: I'm sure there are
[07:18] <aztektum> g3?
[07:18] <crimsun> mac g3
[07:18] <aztektum> oh
[07:19] <zcat[1] > The last of the OldWorld mac's
[07:19] <aztektum> i missed his /me
[07:19] <nderjm> Yeah!
[07:19] <jgrieves_> they'll miss our Power chips...
[07:19] <nalioth> zcat[1] : bless you, but i prefer my new worlds
[07:19] <budluva> what version of gnome does breezy come with?
[07:19] <nderjm> Greetings from Jamrock!
[07:19] <jgrieves_> Xbox 360 gret ready our, MS didn't go wrong with tah otne :)
[07:19] <nderjm> 2.12
[07:19] <aztektum> 2.12 i believe
[07:19] <crimsun> budluva: 2.12.1
[07:19] <zcat[1] > I'd prefer a new world too, but nobody wanted to give me one :(
[07:19] <jgrieves_> 2.12.1
[07:19] <aztektum> +.1
[07:19] <nderjm> cool
[07:20] <crimsun> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-October/000038.html
[07:20] <budluva> crimsun, so if i were to download themes, gtk2.0 would work?
[07:20] <nderjm> 2.12.0++ :)
[07:20] <erick> guys what is the link of smartboot manager of ubuntu
[07:20] <jgrieves_> holy cow the torrent just doubled in speed :)
[07:20] <jgrieves_> w00t w00t some fat pipe just opened
[07:20] <zenrox> lol
[07:20] <Dimi128> can anyone even see this?
[07:20] <mustard5> !tell budluva about bum
[07:21] <aztektum> dimi, yes
[07:21] <zcat[1] > Dimi128: no
[07:21] <zenrox> has that bot bin updated to breezy yet
[07:21] <zenrox> we are killing the irc servers
[07:21] <jgrieves_> lol
[07:21] <nickrud> !upgradetobreezy
[07:21] <ubotu> nickrud: I don't know, could you explain it?
[07:21] <stania> I have some question. Is there an opened breezy apt archive server, which is released today ?
[07:22] <mdz> jgrieves_: :-)
[07:22] <aztektum> it's all the extra traffic from the "has breezy been released" questions
[07:22] <nickrud> heh, old factoid
[07:22] <crimsun> stania: topic.
[07:22] <shermanator> ROFL@ubotu
[07:22] <Mayhem> its.... Jigdo time!
[07:22] <stania> crimsun, Thank you. :)
[07:22] <zenrox> ya ubuntu will probly have to do its orw irc server to help relever the load
[07:22] <zenrox> relive
[07:22] <jgrieves_> question for you guys, how many times do you think you will answer "how do i upgrade to breezy"
[07:22] <calc> finished downloading the cd :)
[07:22] <Hobbsee> jgrieves_: far too many
[07:22] <crimsun> jgrieves_: none, I'll just keep typing "topic"
[07:23] <aztektum> hehe
[07:23] <jgrieves_> ok come on
[07:23] <aztektum> i was gonna say something along those lines crimsun
[07:23] <zcat[1] > once I finish the download, the answer will be "here, take this CD.."
[07:23] <jgrieves_> crismon that's too easy :)
[07:23] <crimsun> zcat[1] : that's the spirit :-)
[07:23] <calc> er oops
[07:23] <zenrox> topic worked for meee
[07:23] <zenrox> lol
[07:23] <calc> i downloaded the wrong cd, gar!
[07:23] <jgrieves_> calc LOL
[07:23] <calc> well i'll share that one instead
[07:23] <airmikey> lol
[07:23] <aztektum> haha
[07:23] <Hobbsee> LOL calc!
[07:24] <aztektum> we're laughing w/ you
[07:24] <aztektum> not @ you
[07:24] <calc> i want the dvd anyway so i was just downloading it to help seed
[07:24] <calc> i downloaded the live cd instead of install
[07:24] <zenrox> oh well
[07:24] <zcat[1] > I need another pack of blanks..
[07:24] <zenrox> calc,  thats probaly a good one to be seeding
[07:24] <stania> I'm so sorry for my foolish
[07:24] <nickrud> torrent is interesting; my upload is twice my download currently
[07:24] <jgrieves_> stania its ok
[07:24] <aztektum> yeah cuz i need to download that tonight
[07:25] <zcat[1] > torrenting 386-install, ppc-install and 386-live at the moment .. I really want kubuntu-ppc but it's not up yet :(
[07:25] <jgrieves_> nick the fast mirror someone posted overtook the torrent
[07:25] <jgrieves_> i just want to help seed
[07:25] <zenrox> nickrud,  it will be done by the time you wake up tomaro
[07:25] <erick> guys where can I get the smart boot manager of ubuntu
[07:25] <zenrox> a watched pot dont boil
[07:25] <funkyHat> calc, i think you can install from the livecd now :)
[07:25] <jgrieves_> use all thisi freaking Time Warner CRUD
[07:25] <nickrud> heh, I'm up to date. just seeding
[07:25] <jhank> do you guys know a server in australia where i can download the cd image of breezy
[07:25] <zcat[1] > ooh, back to 350k up.. sweet.
[07:26] <zcat[1] > jhank: torrent..
[07:26] <bob2> jhank: dude, it got pushed out minutes ago
[07:26] <cesar> i got 10 minutes and i cannont pass of the 0% :S
[07:26] <bob2> jhank: you'll have to wait for the local mirrors to get it
[07:26] <jhank> what does pushed out mean?
[07:26] <Hobbsee> jhank: what ISP are you with?  can you grab it from there?
[07:26] <budluva> what happened to the run application launcher?
[07:26] <jhank> optus
[07:27] <crimsun> budluva: alt+F2
[07:27] <fatejudger> what is the ETA for Kubuntu syncing?
[07:27] <aztektum> jhank, kind of slang for "pushed out the door to the masses". it's released
[07:27] <bob2> jhank: it means that they don't magically appear on your ISP's web server; they have to go download it from ubuntu to begin with, which takes time
[07:27] <budluva> crimsun, can i run an application as root via alt-f2?
[07:27] <cesar> hey, what big changes have the new gnome ?
[07:27] <zenrox> please use torrent
[07:27] <jgrieves_> cesar, gnome website has a great list
[07:27] <pixelmonkey> budluva: check out gksudo
[07:27] <jhank> ah i see i knew that it's released *g* okay, i
[07:27] <jsgotangco> torrent torrent torrent
[07:27] <aztektum> diff version number
[07:27] <zenrox> dont slam the main server
[07:27] <ajmitch_> hi Unfrgiven
[07:28] <jsgotangco> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-October/000038.html
[07:28] <carthik> mine's downloaded alright!! THANK YOU
[07:28] <jsgotangco> hey Unfrgiven
[07:28] <jhank> i'll wait... :)
[07:28] <pixelmonkey> budluva, works just like sudo, but prompts you with a gtk dialog for password
[07:28] <bob2> bah
[07:28] <jgrieves_> nice one bob2 ;)
[07:28] <MagicFab_Mtl> nice - DVD torrents > 150kbps
[07:28] <bob2> also, the first person to ask about backports wins a trip to the moon without a space suit
[07:28] <jgrieves_> lol
[07:28] <zenrox> ya
[07:29] <aztektum> i have a ? about backports
[07:29] <mustard5> hehe bob2
[07:29] <budluva> pixelmonkey, so gksudo bum ?
[07:29] <bob2> if you don't know what a backport is, you shouldn't be using them
[07:29] <jgrieves_> bob2 i give it half an hour
[07:29] <calc> bob2: how about when is dapper going to be opened? ;)
[07:29] <sanitario> which DVD should I get for x86?
[07:29] <Myrtti> bob2: do I get trip if I ask you why asking about backports gives me the ticket?
[07:29] <nickrud> so, when does breakage  get started?
[07:29] <bob2> sanitario: i386...
[07:29] <calc> sanitario: the dvd's aren't available yet
[07:29] <sanitario> calc: ah
[07:29] <jgrieves_> !ask bob2 about backports
[07:29] <ubotu> jgrieves_: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[07:29] <pixelmonkey> budluva, sure, you can do that
[07:29] <bob2> nickrud: when everyone sobers up
[07:29] <MagicFab_Mtl> calc: they sure are
[07:29] <jgrieves_> !tell bob2 about backports
[07:29] <highvoltage> linuxboy:
[07:29] <jgrieves_> w00t w00t :)
[07:29] <nickrud> ah, gotta love devs
[07:29] <nalioth> bob2: where's the logs link?
[07:30] <calc> MagicFab_Mtl: er where?
[07:30] <aztektum> if i don't know about back ports but i'm not using them, that's ok right?
[07:30] <jgrieves_> lol bob2 sorry!!!I didn't mean to put the ! in front just habit!
[07:30] <nalioth> aztektum: perfectly ok. use them with caution
[07:30] <calc> if so they managed to bypass the private area i am looking in
[07:30] <Hentai^NT> bob2 will ubuntu get ported to ultrasparc or any other arch than just x86,x64, and ppc?
[07:31] <jgrieves_> will not exist until!!!!!!
[07:31] <budluva> anyone her familiar with xgamma?
[07:31] <jbroome> until when?  OMG WHEN?!
[07:31] <crimsun> Hentai^NT: already ported to ia64 and sparc
[07:31] <zcat[1] >   -- I want my K. D. E. --
[07:31] <Hentai^NT> oh
[07:31] <calc> Hentai^NT: there are hppa cds on torrent site for pre release
[07:31] <nickrud> budluva, not familiar, but I've used it
[07:31] <Hentai^NT> sparc or ultrasparc?
[07:31] <HiddenFly> when i boot, i get error 'special device /dev/sda6 doesnt exist' and it attempts to run e2fsck or something like that which fails to run. how do i fix that?
[07:31] <nalioth> bob2: we dont have the logs link in the /topic anymore?
[07:31] <Hentai^NT> hp pa hmm ok
[07:31] <calc> i don't think the sparc/ia64/hppa are normal released versions though
[07:32] <Hentai^NT> just wondering
[07:32] <budluva> nickrud, know any way to pass an xgamma command on boot so when my x login screen shows its automatically brighter? ie xgamma -d :0 -gamma 2.4 is the command i use to adjust brightness everytime i boot, its just a pain
[07:33] <bob2> nalioth: no space, put it back next week
[07:33] <bob2> whiprush: yay
[07:33] <cafuego_> nalioth: doesn't fit
[07:33] <jgrieves_> how can everyon sober up
[07:33] <linuxboy> highvoltage
[07:33] <Madpilot> bob2: "everyon"? ;)
[07:33] <jbroome> jgrieves_: sober up, wake up.. whatever works
[07:33] <MagicFab_Mtl> DVDs are at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd
[07:33] <jgrieves_> jbroome, was making fun of mispelling ;)
[07:33] <nalioth> bob2: next week will provide lots of reading, i guess
[07:33] <Tomcat_> \o/
[07:34] <carthik> It's gonna be a loooong wait till April 2006
[07:34] <bob2> jgrieves_: hey, you got until next week
[07:34] <nickrud> budluva, done that once (bad monitor), a sec. my memory may return.
[07:34] <jgrieves_> oh yeah DANG straight!
[07:34] <carthik> Someone should set up an elaborate april fools' joke, me thinks :o)
[07:34] <budluva> nickrud, k
[07:34] <MagicFab_Mtl> calc: DVDs are at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd
[07:34] <jgrieves_> download complete
[07:34] <graig> no april fools about my os pls lol.
[07:34] <HiddenFly> what would be the repositories to upgrade to breezy?
[07:35] <Hobbsee> !upgrade2breezy
[07:35] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[07:35] <bob2> HiddenFly: /topic
[07:35] <zcat[1] > hehe.. ubuntu-6.04-pr released on 1/1 ?
[07:35] <nickrud> budluva, I set up an .xsession; xgamma, then gnome-session, if I remember correctly
[07:35] <erick> first time user of postfix in ubuntu need help in configurationn
[07:35] <zcat[1] > err 1/4
[07:35] <HiddenFly> bob2: yea i noticed, but found only images there
[07:35] <calc> MagicFab_Mtl: those aren't final, but are of course close
[07:35] <shermanator> bob2, dapper? whats that?
[07:35] <wickedpuppy> !paste
[07:35] <ubotu> somebody said paste was please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[07:35] <bob2> HiddenFly: the 3rd link explains how to update
[07:35] <bob2> shermanator: the next version of ubuntu
[07:35] <budluva> just add my xgamma line to /home/budluva/,xsession ? and ~/.gnome-session ?
[07:35] <DjKritical> Has anyone here managed to install cvscedega using a fresh install of breezy?
[07:36] <cafuego_> sudo perl -e "s/hoary/breezy/" /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:36] <bob2> DjKritical: #cedega
[07:36] <carthik> jhank, distrowatch.com is giving me timed outs :)
[07:36] <shermanator> bob2, as if you guys have already named it :D wow!
[07:36] <HiddenFly> ok
[07:36] <calc> MagicFab_Mtl: they might just rename them (not sure) but the way they are currently named they are just daily builds
[07:36] <nickrud> budluva, gamma <parameters>, next line, exec gnome-session, I think
[07:36] <DjKritical> bob2, #cedega doesn't suppose cvscedega
[07:36] <HiddenFly> didnt notice the 3rd one :P
[07:36] <jhank> carthik i was kidding ;)
[07:36] <DjKritical> support*
[07:36] <nickrud> *xgamma
[07:36] <bob2> DjKritical: how are we supposed to support random uncared for software from CVS?
[07:36] <MagicFab_Mtl> calc: tx., stopped seeding those :(
[07:36] <DjKritical> what do you mean uncared for?
[07:36] <sector10> i just had a big problem with adding a server to places
[07:37] <linuxboy> where can I download breezy from? like a mirror or something to help with load
[07:37] <bob2> DjKritical: if the only people allowed to fix it won't listen to problems, what can anyone else do?
[07:37] <cafuego_> linubittorrent, see /topic
[07:37] <DjKritical> bob2: I'm trying to install it.. all I need to know is what packages I need.. thats why I need someone who has done it before
[07:37] <Tomcat_> linuxboy: BitTorrent? :>
[07:37] <bob2> linuxboy: /topic
[07:37] <jgrieves_> md5sum
[07:37] <jgrieves_> anybody got it
[07:37] <zcat[1] > linuxboy: torrent!!!
[07:37] <jgrieves_> crud
[07:37] <bob2> jgrieves_: the md6sum of all the isos are on the mirrors, next to the iamges
[07:37] <jgrieves_> 069ff616c6d13f56326d7f4b4331c7c9
[07:37] <Madpilot> jgrieves_: it'll be at the same place you got the ISO/torrent from
[07:37] <jgrieves_> bob2 i know but that's what i go
[07:37] <zcat[1] > has it been on /. yet?
[07:37] <jgrieves_> and it dont match
[07:37] <Juhaz> is dappler a word? someone waving around a wet paintbrush causing all nearby surfaces be covered in spots?
[07:37] <jgrieves_> and i dont wanan re-downlaod
[07:37] <cafuego_> zcat[1] : Yes, you mist your first post.
[07:37] <jgrieves_> lol
[07:38] <bob2> Juhaz: "dapper"
[07:38] <zcat[1] > darn.
[07:38] <carthik> Juhaz,  it is dapper
[07:38] <bob2> jgrieves_: time to learn rsync then
[07:38] <shermanator> woops: http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[07:38] <Juhaz> oops
[07:38] <nalioth> Juhaz: yes it is a word
[07:38] <aztektum> zcat[1] , if you missed it on /. the first time, just try the next day
[07:38] <cafuego_> !dict dapper
[07:38] <ubotu> Dictionary 'dapper' marked by smartness in dress and manners; "a dapper young man"; "a jaunty red hat"
[07:38] <jgrieves_> bob2: haha dang
[07:38] <Tomcat_> "jaunty red hat"...
[07:38] <Tomcat_> ;D
[07:38] <nickrud> rflol
[07:38] <cafuego_> That an unfortunate example entry.
[07:38] <icaurus_> hi all
[07:38] <zcat[1] > hmm, not on slashdot that I can see..
[07:38] <tga> gay duck, eh?
[07:39] <Hobbsee> zcat[1] : probably a good thing for a while!
[07:39] <nickrud> zcat[1] , be the one :)
[07:39] <icaurus_> anyone here using the new ubuntu thing?
[07:39] <jgrieves_> thing?
[07:39] <icaurus_> sorry
[07:39] <zenrox> icaurus_,  you mean breezy
[07:39] <jgrieves_> :)
[07:39] <carthik> thong?
[07:39] <icaurus_> yeah, sorry am a linux newb
[07:39] <tga> my ali5451 card uses Headphone instead of Master Volume.. what can I do in ALSA to switch it back?
[07:39] <bur[n] er> w00t... torrents are gaining momentum :)  I'm up to 150k
[07:39] <linuxboy> icaurus_: nah, it sucks
[07:39] <jgrieves_> icaurus, no worries
[07:39] <zcat[1] > That's OK.. they'll probably mention it in about three days. And again in a week. :)
[07:40] <aztektum> Ubuntu = teh suck. OS/2 = new hotness
[07:40] <icaurus_> just wondering if anyone was able to download drivers from the ati site using breazy?
[07:40] <crimsun> tga: nothing yet except to adjust the volume control. Or, if you have a particular model, you can pass it as a quirk.
[07:40] <icaurus_> I keep getting text only :(
[07:40] <graig> lol, os/2?
[07:40] <zenrox> icaurus_,  breezy has the drivers you just have to install your self
[07:40] <aztektum> graig, don't question it!
[07:40] <tga> crimsun, the 'master volume' setting does nothing.. and all the volume apps insist on using that
[07:40] <glick> anyone here a CS major?
[07:40] <aztektum> (:
[07:40] <zenrox> !tell icaurus_  ati
[07:40] <graig> i played with os2 warp, before windows 95 came out,
[07:40] <icaurus_> zenrox: sorry to bug you dude, but how do you install them?
[07:41] <crimsun> tga: you can change the volume control
[07:41] <Bicchi> glick: yes
[07:41] <graig> was os2 warp the last version of os2?
[07:41] <paulproteus> glick: I'm a cognitive science major with a CS concentration.
[07:41] <tga> crimsun, how?
[07:41] <zenrox> !tell icaurus_  restricted_formats
[07:41] <glick> anyone take any courses on Operating Systems?
[07:41] <crimsun> tga: secondary-click and choose properties
[07:41] <Madpilot> graig: chat about other OSes should probably move to #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:41] <zenrox> or read the forum
[07:41] <brodmann> hey, i'm trying to run (sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins), i'm getting an error that the package is not available.
[07:41] <bob2> glick: lots of people have
[07:41] <brodmann> this is hoary im in
[07:41] <Hobbsee> brodmann: got all the repositories enabled?
[07:41] <tga> crimsun, oh, you mean adjust Headphone and nevermind about Master Volume? that's what I'm doing atm..
[07:41] <brodmann> yeah
[07:42] <paulproteus> glick: I haven't, sadly.
[07:42] <Hobbsee> !tell brodmann about repositories
[07:42] <tga> paulproteus, what's cog sci useful for anyway? I'm keeping CS and psyc separate for now
[07:42] <crimsun> tga: modinfo <your sound card driver>
[07:42] <bob2> brodmann: then you need to paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood, along with the output of "apt-cache policy gstreamer0.8-plugins"
[07:42] <bur[n] er> hehe, i was just about to do that Hobbsee ;)
[07:42] <nickrud> brodmann, what does apt-cache policy gstreamer0.8-plugins say?
[07:42] <Hobbsee> bur[n] er: gotta love that bot command lol
[07:42] <bur[n] er> nickrud: check ;)
[07:42] <Bicchi> glick: just ask your question
[07:42] <tga> crimsun, already did that, I can't see anything that would help
[07:42] <Severian> brodmann, I got worse.  It found the gstreamer packages and they got errors during installation.  Maybe they are being worked on.
[07:42] <paulproteus> tga: Beats me.  I'm going to get a masters in information security, and eventually head back to grad school for CS, me thinks.
[07:42] <bob2> Severian: and the errors are...(#flood)
[07:42] <tga> crimsun, modinfo snd_ali5451.. do you see anything in there?
[07:43] <bob2> people do realise things won't be fixed if you don't report them, right?
[07:43] <brodmann> severian, that's the problem i'm having
[07:43] <crimsun> tga: I'm not on a Linux machine atm
[07:43] <tga> crimsun, #flood for a moment?
[07:43] <crimsun> tga: idle there
[07:43] <graig> one thing i dont like about breezy, is how it does accessing with usb drives.
[07:43] <xfelon> is 5.10 the latest vesrion?
[07:43] <bob2> xfelon: /topic
[07:43] <carthik> xfelon, yup
[07:43] <bur[n] er> graig: ?
[07:43] <budluva> nickrud, it doesnt work
[07:43] <bob2> graig: did you file a bug?
[07:43] <crimsun> paulproteus: hci hooks easily into cogsci
[07:43] <crimsun> paulproteus: among many, many things
[07:43] <carthik> xfelon 200(5.10) october
[07:44] <brodmann> nickrud, i don't see anything
[07:44] <bob2> graig: if not, you'll probably have to deal with it for the next 6 months
[07:44] <budluva> nickrud, still have to manually enter my xgamma line into a term after login
[07:44] <paulproteus> crimsun: That's true.
[07:44] <Severian> bob2,   OIL: ERROR liboiltest.c 247Z: (): illegal instruction in idct8x8_s16_mmx
[07:44] <zcat[1] > gonna keep refreshing /. so I can get frist psot on the story..
[07:44] <bob2> brodmann: 15:42:15           bob2 | brodmann: then you need to paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood, along with the output of "apt-cache policy gstreamer0.8-plugins"
[07:44] <paulproteus> crimsun: I'm just saying I didn't pick the degree for any applications of it. ;)
[07:44] <nickrud> budluva, I recently lost all my notes, I'd have to research again
[07:44] <bob2> Severian: on what CPU?
[07:44] <bur[n] er> Severian: bugzilla.ubuntu.com :)
[07:44] <Severian> bob2, It is a Pentium 2/366
[07:44] <crimsun> tga: ah well, you have to just use that. Some applications offer a software mixer.
[07:44] <budluva> anyone know how to pass a command on my xorg boot?
[07:44] <bob2> Severian: which bug # did you report this as?
[07:45] <tga> paulproteus, heh, sounds about right.. I'm looking at a masters in information management
[07:45] <bob2> budluva: that's not the question
[07:45] <crimsun> paulproteus: neither did I, so I stayed too long in school.
[07:45] <bob2> budluva: you're using gnome?
[07:45] <graig> well, its not a bug, its just something i don't like.  when you plug something in, and copy a bunch of files to it,  it doesn't start writing till you unmount it.
[07:45] <paulproteus> crimsun: Interesting.
[07:45] <tga> crimsun, what about the vol-up and vol-down keys on my keyboard? how can I get those to use Headphone?
[07:45] <graig> and then the icon dissapears, and you think its safe to remove it, but its still writing stuff.
[07:45] <crimsun> tga: yes, you'll have to use amixer
[07:45] <xfelon> and i only need that 650mb file?
[07:45] <nickrud> brodmann, it should say someting about candidate and installed, if you have universe repository enabled
[07:45] <jgrieves_> the torrents are really heating up
[07:45] <budluva> bob2, yes, and i want to adjust brightness via xgamma (piece of crap monitor) because the login screen and my gnome session are dark
[07:46] <Severian> bob2, I have not.  I came here first.  bugzilla was to follow if the bug was not well known.  I'll have to create a bugzilla account and it seemed prudent to ask here first.  Is that bad?
[07:46] <graig> it would be cool if the usb drive icon changed to a status icon, displaying that its finishing unmounting.
[07:46] <bob2> budluva: preferences -> system -> session, add it
[07:46] <starscalling> has anyone gotten evolution to work with hotmail?
[07:46] <sonoud> hi, can i use dpkg install .deb package by a normal user by giving my personal prefix installation location?  i don't have root access.
[07:46] <bob2> Severian: not as long as you do end up reporting it :)
[07:46] <starscalling> i tried freepops but it doesnt seem to like it
[07:46] <bob2> graig: then suggest it
[07:46] <bur[n] er> graig: sounds bug-reportable
[07:46] <bob2> sonoud: you can't
[07:46] <xfelon> How come ive never herd of ubuntu?
[07:46] <bob2> sonoud: (generally)
[07:46] <xfelon> is it somewhat new?
[07:46] <bob2> xfelon: deprived life
[07:46] <xfelon> i guess
[07:46] <sonoud> bob2, ok. cheers.
[07:46] <xfelon> ive never used linux
[07:46] <graig> bugreport tool?
[07:46] <xfelon> other than mandrake
[07:46] <nickrud> xfelon, you been away a while?
[07:46] <bob2> xfelon: 18 months old now
[07:46] <carthik> xfelon, slept too long? :o)
[07:47] <xfelon> iguess
[07:47] <bob2> graig: no, in bugzilla
[07:47] <bob2> xfelon: there you go
[07:47] <xfelon> i didnt see it on linuxiso.org ever
[07:47] <bur[n] er> graig: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[07:47] <MagicFab_Mtl> xfelon: long vacations ?
[07:47] <xfelon> i guess
[07:47] <xfelon> is it easy to use for linux newbie?
[07:47] <bob2> yes
[07:47] <jgrieves_> yeah
[07:47] <Madpilot> xfelon: distrowatch.org mentions it fairly regularly
[07:48] <jgrieves_> dang it turn off auto start up NO I do not want to run syneptic
[07:48] <MagicFab_Mtl> xfelon: my parents (60yr. old) and my wife use it daily
[07:48] <xfelon> good
[07:48] <airmikey> any laptops out there running breezy...if so how goes it ?
[07:48] <jgrieves_> breezy is great
[07:48] <bob2> airmikey: works great on my ibm x40
[07:48] <jgrieves_> on an IBM T23
[07:48] <crimsun> ditto bob2.
[07:48] <jgrieves_> and an Inspiron 8600
[07:48] <bob2> airmikey: wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam
[07:48] <airmikey> cool
[07:48] <MagicFab_Mtl> xfelon: 1 "support request" from my parents in 3 months: "How do I eject a CD, again" ?
[07:49] <Madpilot> airmikey: lots of laptops - there was a big push for Breezy + laptops
[07:49] <MagicFab_Mtl> :)
[07:49] <Mayhem> Damn.  Debian wget has renamed the option --non-verbose, so jigdo fails
[07:49] <airmikey> loaing on my 9300 dell
[07:49] <xfelon> lol
[07:49] <tga> jgrieves, I take it your donation cheque is in the mail
[07:49] <airmikey> ahh
[07:49] <MagicFab_Mtl> airmikey: with 5.10 mine has bluetooth, wifi and unichrome (video) working out of the box
[07:49] <jgrieves_> tga im sorry?
[07:50] <agonified> hi all.I am new to linux. The problem is, ubuntu does not recognize my optical mouse.It works perfectly under other os's.. What is it???
[07:50] <jgrieves_> tga i must have missed something
[07:50] <xfelon> does VLC palyer work with linux?
[07:50] <Venson> lol
[07:50] <glick> $25 bucks! boston to newyork flight!
[07:50] <Venson> yes
[07:50] <bob2> xfelon: yes...
[07:50] <nalioth> xfelon: yes
[07:50] <brodmann> nickrud, the error i get is "Package gstreamer0.8-plugins has no installation candidate
[07:50] <xfelon> good
[07:50] <MagicFab_Mtl> xfelon: VLC runs nicely on a PIII 667Mhz
[07:50] <nalioth> brodmann: that pkg is unavailable atm
[07:50] <bob2> brodmann: show us your /etc/apt/sources.list in #flood
[07:51] <tga> jgrieves_, nevermind, just kidding
[07:51] <xfelon> k well
[07:51] <nickrud> brodmann, then, see bob2
[07:51] <xfelon> im going to download it tonight
[07:51] <mdz> Mayhem: that's fixed in the 5.10 jigdo
[07:51] <nalioth> brodmann: you can open synaptic and choose all the pkgs you like
[07:51] <xfelon> and setup my computer to install it for tomorrow
[07:51] <xfelon> install = easy?
[07:51] <bob2> brodmann: assuming you checked packages.ubuntu.com and made sure it actually exists
[07:51] <Hentai^NT> hmm time to boot linux
[07:51] <jgrieves_> tga, yeah i know but i dont get the joke :)
[07:51] <nalioth> bob2: it's being kept back for some reason
[07:51] <brodmann> hmm
[07:51] <jgrieves_> u saying because i got 2 laptops?
[07:51] <Mayhem> mdz, but I'm trying to grab it from a Debian Etch box...
[07:51] <bob2> nalioth: that's not what brodmann's error says
[07:51] <jgrieves_> one's work laptop for IBM
[07:51] <jgrieves_> other is my baby
[07:51] <MagicFab_Mtl> xfelon: install easy, yes
[07:51] <Mayhem> mdz, I can cope, just wondering where the blame lies :)
[07:51] <Madpilot> xfelon: yes, install is fairly easy
[07:51] <Riddell> ** Announcing Kubuntu 5.10 http://kubuntu.org/announcements/breezy-release.php **
[07:52] <budluva> bob2, thanks that worked
[07:52] <erick> anyone used openwebmail, can I use this on my ubuntu?
[07:52] <xfelon> well
[07:52] <xfelon> i will stay in the channel while i install on my pc
[07:52] <MagicFab_Mtl> PPC torrents sure are *hot*
[07:52] <nalioth> MagicFab_Mtl: yes aren't they?
[07:53] <din> gn
[07:53] <whiprush> Riddell: congrats!
[07:53] <zcat[1] > they are? my PPC torrent it going out half as fast as the i386 one
[07:53] <MagicFab_Mtl> xfelon: just make sure you have a good net connection - you may need it to install additional packages in the first few minutes you ll use U.
[07:53] <deFrysk> black coffee anyone ? ;p
[07:54] <MagicFab_Mtl> xfelon: unless you get the DVD :D
[07:54] <brodmann> ok it's in the #flood
[07:54] <paulproteus> Oh, a release happened?  That's nice.
[07:54] <xfelon> ?
[07:54] <xfelon> i have cableone
[07:54] <Pamyl> ummm... i'm new here
[07:54] <MagicFab_Mtl> zcat[1] : well, seeding from Montreal
[07:54] <xfelon> 400kb/s down
[07:54] <jgrieves_> what's the est cd recordre for iso's
[07:54] <tomlillis> Question:
[07:55] <zcat[1] > est ?
[07:55] <jgrieves_> best
[07:55] <jgrieves_> whoops
[07:55] <zcat[1] > ahh.. one that works?
[07:55] <jgrieves_> yeah lol
[07:55] <jgrieves_> last one i tried didn't
[07:55] <nalioth> jgrieves_: k3b
[07:55] <brodmann> bob2, did you get my /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[07:55] <agonified> hi all.I am new to linux. The problem is, ubuntu does not recognize my optical mouse.It works perfectly under other os's.. What is it???
[07:55] <tomlillis> I let the update manager upgrade my Firefox install.  Now I am suddenly getting malformed-XUL errors whenever Firefox tries to open a download dialog.  Anyone else getting this, or am I independently screwed up?
[07:55] <jgrieves_> nalioth thank ya
[07:55] <MagicFab_Mtl> jgrieves_: from Ubuntu: right-click, write to disc
[07:55] <foxgamer> I want to start programming in python. Can anyone help with what I need?
[07:56] <tomlillis> agonified: Who is the maker of the optical mouth?
[07:56] <tomlillis> Er, mouse.
[07:56] <jgrieves_> MagicFab_Mtl thanks...wow learn somethign new everyday
[07:56] <tomlillis> (What the hell is an optical mouth?  :P)
[07:56] <nalioth> brodmann: where did you send your sources.list? and did you check at packages.ubuntu.com for its existence?
[07:56] <agonified> "chic"
[07:56] <glick> hmm trying to upgrade to ubuntu breezy i get this
[07:56] <glick> Unpacking replacement ksysguardd ...
[07:56] <glick> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:56] <glick>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdevelop3-data_4%3a3.2.3-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[07:56] <glick> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[07:56] <agonified> a cheap one...
[07:56] <Hobbsee> glick: pastebin!
[07:56] <tomlillis> Never even heard of them.
[07:56] <tomlillis> How old is it?
[07:56] <deFrysk> glick, apt-get -f install
[07:57] <nalioth> glick: do not paste in here please
[07:57] <agonified> 1 week :)
[07:57] <Hobbsee> nalioth: broodman's sources.list is in flood
[07:57] <glick> sorry
[07:57] <MagicFab_Mtl> jgrieves_: ironic ? .. seriously, I hadn't realised it was there for some time...
[07:57] <tomlillis> Is it USB or PS/2?
[07:57] <nalioth> Hobbsee: how lovely, since i am not
[07:57] <Riddell> glick: what's the error?
[07:57] <axeus> hmm: [4298781.190000]  smbfs: mount_data version 1919251317 is not supported
[07:57] <agonified> even the laser lights are off...   PS/2...
[07:57] <limi> Congratulations on the release, guys!
[07:57] <jgrieves_> MagicFab_Mtl im serious i didn't see it there
[07:58] <tomlillis> Curious.
[07:58] <jgrieves_> MagicFab_Mtl i always thought ubuntu just didn't ship with one :)
[07:58] <limi> happy to see Plone 2.1 in there
[07:58] <tomlillis> Let me check something.
[07:58] <agonified> when I boot the machine, lights are coming under it, but during ubuntu boot, lights gone...
[07:58] <graig> nm, it doesn't do what i thought it did.
[07:58] <axeus> "Wrong fs type or other error."
[07:58] <graig> its not a bug.
[07:58] <axeus> etc..
[07:58] <glick> what does apt-get -f install do?
[07:58] <foxgamer> so when's the next release of ubuntu out?
[07:58] <deFrysk> glick, fix it ?
[07:58] <foxgamer> hehe
[07:58] <nalioth> glick: "fixes"
[07:59] <glick> i dont get why thats even an option
[07:59] <Proteque> I can dist-upgrade to breezy now?
[07:59] <aftertaf> glick:  type apt-get --help and see the options... :)
[07:59] <aftertaf> Proteque:  yes
[07:59] <zcat[1] > foxgamer: April 2006
[07:59] <foxgamer> yay!
[07:59] <airmikey> is anyone running in raid 0
[07:59] <Proteque> cool. will have to check if breezy has sawfish first then :)
[08:00] <deFrysk> glick, just do it an rean man apt-get
[08:00] <tomlillis> agonified: It would seem that there aren't a lot of Linux drivers for Chic input devices.
[08:00] <nalioth> Proteque: yes you can. see /topic
[08:00] <paulproteus> glick: "-f" means "fix".
[08:00] <deFrysk> read*
[08:00] <MagicFab_Mtl> jgrieves_: in windows, there's burnatonce (google)
[08:00] <agonified> ok tomlillis
[08:00] <graig> whats a chic input device?
[08:00] <axeus> "mount -t smbfs -o username=guest,password="" "//192.168.1.101/LAN" ~/Share" ..That should work. Aye?
[08:00] <agonified> thank u very much..
[08:00] <tomlillis> I'd Google a bit.
[08:00] <tomlillis> See if you can find one.
[08:01] <MagicFab_Mtl> craig: golden mouse ?
[08:01] <MagicFab_Mtl> :)
[08:01] <zcat[1] > 500K up..
[08:01] <bitbucket> poor
[08:01] <paulproteus> zcat[1] : Kilobytes per second?
[08:01] <agonified> tomlillis: what if I buy an ps/2 to usb converter?? may it work??
[08:02] <zcat[1] > I think so.. big K
[08:02] <paulproteus> zcat[1] : Nice.
[08:02] <tomlillis> I wouldn't guarantee it, but I have never had Ubuntu reject a USB input device on me before.
[08:02] <axeus> I've got 2 connections here. One of them is 1.5 mbps up. :S
[08:02] <tomlillis> There are a lot of generic drivers out there that would probably suit your purpose if you went that route.
[08:02] <axeus> The one I'm on now is only 398kbps up I think...
[08:03] <zcat[1] > 200K each on the i386 images and 100k on the ppc..
[08:03] <bitbucket> axeus:nice
[08:03] <agonified> could you help me please with this?
[08:03] <fatejudger> can I burn Kubuntu to a 650mb CD?
[08:03] <pinucset> isn't breezy released?
[08:03] <glick> yay we are getting a crazy right wing evangelical christion for a supreme court judge with no prior judge experiance!
[08:03] <agonified> i am realy new to linux env. just 10 hours...
[08:03] <graig> scary huh?
[08:03] <MagicFab_Mtl> agonified: isthis a very old PC ? once happened to me, had to buy a USB2 card
[08:03] <Riddell> fatejudger: yes
[08:03] <bitbucket> breezy should come out today
[08:03] <Riddell> fatejudger: unless it's powerpc live
[08:03] <aftertaf> agonified:  welcome :)
[08:03] <pinucset> isn't breezy released?
[08:03] <axeus> glick: Sounds like your average bible belt town.
[08:03] <agonified> yes
[08:03] <pinucset> ok! :D
[08:03] <pinucset> byeee
[08:03] <funkyHat> glick, YAY!:D
[08:03] <tristanmike> bitbucket, it's out, see /topic
[08:03] <axeus> glick: Full of fools.
[08:03] <fatejudger> Riddell: but it's a 655 mb ISO
[08:03] <MagicFab_Mtl> fatejudger: dont think so
[08:03] <tomlillis> jgrieves_: Another suggestion would be using the Win32 version of CDRTools and the CDRTFrontEnd package.  Simple instructions, simple install, great software!
[08:03] <agonified> from 1994-5
[08:03] <fatejudger> Riddell: and I need to use a cd-rw
[08:03] <funkyHat> ;)
[08:04] <glick> yeah this coutry is slowly goin down the shitter
[08:04] <glick> soon we will be the christian version of iran
[08:04] <agonified> thank u aftertaf
[08:04] <funkyHat> :/ are the certificates for the ubuntu wiki _ever_ going to get fixed?
[08:04] <tomlillis> agonified: Welcome to the world of OSS, then!  I don't think you'll need much help beyond picking up a cheap PS/2 to USB converter, though.
[08:04] <axeus> glick: Actually it's just the bible belt.
[08:04] <axeus> glick: :P
[08:04] <Riddell> fatejudger: make sure you use a mirror which has synced  http://82.211.81.153/kubuntu/5.10/
[08:04] <MagicFab_Mtl> funkyHat: they look fine to me...
[08:04] <MagicFab_Mtl> other than the fact they are self-generated
[08:05] <axeus> Um........ rawr?
[08:05] <tomlillis> (Incidentally, is anyone else having that malformed-XUL error?  I'm just trying to figure out if it's endemic to the package or if I hosed something locally.)
[08:05] <MagicFab_Mtl> Perhaps they should buy some at Thawte :D
[08:05] <fatejudger> Riddell: I'm downloading it from there right now
[08:05] <agonified> hmm. i thought you suggested to suit a generic driver into ubuntu..
[08:05] <srfrog> tom: i've seen them too
[08:05] <agonified> ok then i will buy a converter
[08:05] <zcat[1] > You'd think Mark of all people could get a cert signed properly.. :)
[08:05] <srfrog> you are talking about firefox in 5.10 right ?
[08:05] <chavo> fatejudger, you can mount the iso and add it as a source also
[08:05] <tomlillis> srfrog: That'd be it.
[08:05] <funkyHat> MagicFab_Mtl, maybe it's just me then :(
[08:06] <srfrog> js console gets full of 'em
[08:06] <funkyHat> they always throw up an error for me
[08:06] <aftertaf> guys, is there any point using the hoary staging backports repos any more when you are on breezy?
[08:06] <funkyHat> well... invalid or something... can't remember now
[08:06] <MagicFab_Mtl> funkyHat: well, what do you mean by "fix the certs" ? Where ?
[08:06] <funkyHat> wiki.ubuntu.com
[08:06] <srfrog> seems they started after i uninstalled the web dev extension
[08:06] <paulproteus> aftertaf: Nope.
[08:06] <srfrog> (bloated crap)
[08:06] <MagicFab_Mtl> if you examine the certs, check who is the issuer... most probably iut's canonical themselves
[08:06] <limi> does anybody know if Ubuntu ships with a solution for Wi-fi on the PowerBooks in this release?
[08:07] <tomlillis> Weird.
[08:07] <paulproteus> limi: I'm afraid not.
[08:07] <tomlillis> This is a new one for me.
[08:07] <srfrog> have you removed any extensions ?
[08:07] <aftertaf> thx paulproteus i thought as much.
[08:07] <paulproteus> limi: It's sad.  I have an iBook myself.
[08:07] <tomlillis> It started after last night's update cycle.  It's irritating the hell out of me, since it means I can't get any kind of download dialogue.
[08:07] <tristan622ph> is there a CADD for ubuntu/linux?
[08:08] <tristan622ph> like AutoCADD
[08:08] <funkyHat> the https certificate makes my firefox shout at me
[08:08] <graig> tristan, there is blender. which is a 3d rendering/modeling program.
[08:08] <_maydayj_> tristan622ph QCAD...
[08:08] <zcat[1] > Running apt-get dist-upgrade now.. I have a feeling this could be fun.
[08:08] <tomlillis> tristan622ph: QCAD.
[08:08] <Madpilot> funkyHat: it does that to everyone, it's not personal or anything ;)
[08:08] <lillpelle> what is the recommended way to upgrade? from CD or apt?
[08:08] <zcat[1] > 938 upgraded, 295 newly installed, 40 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[08:08] <tristan622ph> thanks, ill try that
[08:08] <funkyHat> Madpilot, i thought so
[08:08] <funkyHat> that's what i was asking
[08:08] <zcat[1] > NNeed to get 658MB of archives.
[08:09] <graig> i upgraded through apt,  it was pretty easy.
[08:09] <limi> paulproteus: yes, isn't it possible to use some sort of wrapper to make use of the Windows drivers for that chipset or something?
[08:09] <funkyHat> is it ever going to be fixed?
[08:09] <tomlillis> lillpelle: I don't think there's a "recommended" way, per se.  But apt dist upgrades are generalyl very smooth.
[08:09] <aftertaf> zcat[1] :  hehe nejo
[08:09] <lillpelle> OK, then just change the apt-sources file?
[08:09] <paulproteus> limi: Not on a Mac, sadly.
[08:09] <aftertaf> *enjoy... ;)
[08:09] <jan_> /part/part
[08:09] <paulproteus> limi: There is work to reverse engineer a drive.
[08:10] <limi> paulproteus: yes, for the past few years - or did Mark hire someone to actually do it?
[08:10] <jhank> and is there something like D
[08:10] <jhank> like 3D Studio?
[08:11] <paulproteus> limi: No, Mark hasn't.
[08:11] <paulproteus> limi: They're actually making progress now.  I'm on the mailing list.
[08:11] <limi> paulproteus: ah, cool
[08:11] <glick> my cpu is happy!
[08:11] <graig> jhank, you could try blender. as far as i know thats the only 3d modeling program.
[08:11] <jhank> okay thanks
[08:12] <limi> paulproteus: I worked for Canonical a bit in the start, not sure if we met
[08:12] <wezzer> Breezy!
[08:13] <funkyHat> lol
[08:13] <graig> i love inkscape, and gimp :)
[08:13] <glick> whats inkscape?
[08:14] <MagicFab_Mtl> wezzer: yeah!
[08:14] <tristanmike> glick, illustrator for linux
[08:14] <tga> glick,  a vector drawing program
[08:14] <tga> tristanmike, funny
[08:14] <graig> its fun :)
[08:14] <tga> the Xara thing is coming to Linux
[08:14] <tga> it could prove interesting
[08:14] <graig> yeah,
[08:14] <Madpilot> tga: Xara?
[08:15] <tga> http://www.xara.com/products/xtreme/screenshots.asp
[08:15] <tga> soon to be released as open source
[08:15] <graig> i downloaded the xara linux demo, it was pretty neat, very fast and neat.
[08:15] <graig> i think xara can do blured edges.
[08:15] <graig> so you can do shadows and stuff really easily.
[08:15] <omp> breezy torrent is sloow :(
[08:15] <khermans> hey its out, what exact time was Breezy released?
[08:16] <omp> i dono
[08:16] <omp> it was about 1-2 hours ago though
[08:16] <paradon> about 2 hours ago.
[08:16] <tga> omp, try again tomorrow
[08:16] <limi> omp: announce it on Slashdot, that will make it go faster :)
[08:16] <khermans> yea!
[08:16] <tga> limi, not if there are no seeds
[08:16] <khermans> ok, everyone go there a post it
[08:16] <khermans> im going to drop the torrent on our 1 Gb pipe
[08:17] <zcat[1] > There's a musical version of Princess Bride; I'm sure we all needed to know that!!
[08:17] <lillpelle> I'm getting > 400kB/s from a mirror...
[08:17] <Madpilot> khermans: please do, it's currently glacial...
[08:17] <[CoFR] Jacq> 46 seeds for me ... ~200kB/s inbound at the moment
[08:17] <Severian> I just announced it on lxer.com  I edited the announcement just a bit to mention that torrents were available at the download sites.
[08:17] <tga> lillpelle, at least start seeding after you get the iso
[08:17] <lillpelle> (only have 1Mbit/s out, but can seed when I am done upgrading)
[08:20] <srfrog> finally, a debian that works
[08:20] <airmikey> put in a dvd movie..totem opens but movie doesnt play..what do i need
[08:21] <_maydayj_> airmikey - libdvdcss
[08:21] <tristanmike> !tell airmikey about dvd
[08:21] <graig> hmm, wierd it wouldn't let me connect to the tracker.
[08:21] <det> Why does Ubuntu ship with xchat and not xchat-gnome?
[08:21] <srfrog> !tell srfrog about dvd
[08:22] <graig> is xchat gnome better?
[08:22] <srfrog> graig: gaim irc is not bad
[08:22] <tga> meh, it conflicts with xchat-common and ubuntu-desktop and all
[08:22] <VoX> !nvidia
[08:22] <ubotu> from memory, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[08:22] <jnoon> anyone use BottomFeeder?
[08:23] <nalioth> graig: same engine, slightly different look, gnome hooks
[08:23] <MagicFab_Mtl> f-spot is among the great new stuff in 5.10 - http://gnomejournal.org/article/23/an-introduction-to-f-spot
[08:23] <nalioth> jnoon: bottomfeeder?
[08:23] <MagicFab_Mtl> I think it's in universe - package: f-spot
[08:24] <feral_kid> Is there any easy way to upgrade myself from 5.04 to 5.10?
[08:24] <glick> when i do apt-get install ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop it says it wont be installed because of unmet dependancies
[08:24] <nalioth> ubotu: tell feral_kid about upgrade2breezy
[08:24] <glick> ubuntu-desktop: Depends: libgl1-mesa but it is not going to be installed
[08:25] <nalioth> glick: i smell unofficial repos
[08:25] <bur[n] er> !tell feral_kid about Breezy
[08:25] <Hmmmm> is breezy out yet?
[08:25] <bur[n] er> Hmmmm: yes
[08:25] <glick> nalioth, nah its official repos
[08:25] <carthik> Hmmmm, read the topic :)
[08:25] <Celaborn> http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/5.10/
[08:25] <MagicFab_Mtl> can someone explain the !tell thing ;)
[08:25] <blue_sky>  hi
[08:25] <nalioth> glick: have you EVER used unofficial repos?
[08:25] <bur[n] er> glick: maybe that repo isn't synced yet?
[08:25] <Madpilot> MagicFab_Mtl: that gives orders to our resident bot, ubotu
[08:25] <nalioth> MagicFab_Mtl: /msg ubotu help
[08:26] <glick> nalioth, nope
[08:26] <MagicFab_Mtl> nalioth: tx
[08:26] <carthik> MagicFab_Mtl, ubotu is a bot ....
[08:26] <MagicFab_Mtl> all: tx
[08:26] <nalioth> glick: see bur[n] er's comment above
[08:26] <firestorm> howdy...Which package can I find the 'dos2unix' and 'unix2dos' tools in?
[08:26] <VoX> i did an update on my amd64 about 12 hours ago, and some package that was updated has majorly broken the nvidia packages, do the point that i'm having serrious issues even /removing/ the package so i can re-install it. how would i find out which package it was, and who do i report it to?
[08:26] <jnoon> nalioth, yes bottomfeeder
[08:26] <khermans> feral_kid, $ sudo sed -i 's/hoary/breezy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[08:27] <nalioth> jnoon: i just now googled it, and since nobody has answered you, i guess not
[08:27] <glick> bur[n] er, everything else worked
[08:27] <Hmmmm> carthik, oops, thanks
[08:27] <glick> except apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[08:28] <jnoon> well... does anyone use an atom feed reader to check their gmail accounts?
[08:28] <tga> jnoon: no, you're the only one
[08:28] <tristanmike> I use Evolution for my gmail
[08:28] <VoX> anyone?
[08:28] <jnoon> evolution for gmail? hmm didnt know you could do that
[08:29] <tga> evolution-data-server is doing funny things on startup.. like hogging 100% of cpu
[08:29] <khermans> jnoon, yeah or thunderbird -- just use smtp/pop
[08:29] <tga> jnoon: they've been offering pop3 for a while now
[08:29] <bur[n] er> gmail is poppable
[08:29] <graig> i cant sign up for gmail cause i don't have a cell phone.
[08:29] <khermans> graig, just give a false one
[08:29] <jnoon> oh... that kills the nice gmail interface tho ;)
[08:29] <glick> what version of gnome does breezy use?
[08:29] <xuniluser> How do I add the thesaurus in openoffice.org2?
[08:29] <bur[n] er> glick: 2.12.1
[08:29] <khermans> glick, 2.12
[08:30] <RobNyc> ubuntu torents is so slow
[08:30] <graig> is there anyway to get gthumb, to go to the image instead of the folders view when you open a picture in nautilus?
[08:30] <Hughie> would anyone know why when i go to use "make" in the terminal it acts as if it doesnt know what it is like its not installed?
[08:31] <Hughie> i have a fresh install of ubuntu
[08:31] <nalioth_zZz> Hughie: do you have 'build-essential' installed?
[08:31] <Hughie> and i am pretty much a noob
[08:31] <Hughie> hmm  i dont think i was given that option
[08:31] <wilhelm> me too!
[08:31] <gogeta> yo
[08:31] <nalioth_zZz> Hughie: install "build-essential" and compile away
[08:31] <khermans> RobNyc, the torrents are fast for me -- im almost done mirroring all the releases via torrent
[08:31] <gogeta> i finished the instaler but it didnt setup x
[08:31] <khermans> just started 10 minutes ago
[08:32] <Hughie> is that in the add programs thing?
[08:32] <RobNyc> khermans: weird
[08:32] <RobNyc> whats ur connection
[08:32] <khermans> 1 Gbit
[08:32] <RobNyc> mines 5mbps/384kbps
[08:32] <nalioth_zZz> ubotu: tell Hughie about synaptic
[08:32] <gogeta> what do i do now
[08:32] <freddy> hrmm...does anyone know how to change the port of the gnome-bittorrent client?
[08:32] <ilba7r> so is breezy officially out yet?
[08:32] <bur[n] er> Hughie: nope... use "synaptic"
[08:32] <dicrapio> anyone tried upgrading to 5.10 by changing the names in sources file?
[08:32] <MagicFab_Mtl> ditto - torrents fast + almost finished all live + installs
[08:32] <RobNyc> ilba7r: check distro watch
[08:32] <Hughie> lol thank you nalioth
[08:32] <Hughie> okay what is that? O.o
[08:32] <nalioth_zZz> dicrapio: quite a few of us
[08:32] <gogeta> ?
[08:32] <dicrapio> any probs?
[08:32] <bur[n] er> Hughie: under system -> administration -> synaptic package manager
[08:33] <gogeta> yes lol
[08:33] <MagicFab_Mtl> dicrapio: I did that on 2 separate systems - worked fine
[08:33] <freddy> hrmm...does anyone know how to change the port of the gnome-bittorrent client?
[08:33] <gogeta> instaler didnt set up x
[08:33] <dicrapio> kool, thx
[08:33] <nalioth_zZz> Hughie: "build-essential" is a metapackage that will pull in most of the programs you'll need to compile
[08:33] <bur[n] er> freddy: use azureus? ;)
[08:33] <Hmmmm> is there a breezy DVD yet?
[08:33] <ilba7r> ok robnyc i thought i should check here first though
[08:33] <nalioth_zZz> freddy: dont repeat so often
[08:33] <MagicFab_Mtl> Hmmmm: no final DVDs yet
[08:33] <xuniluser> How do i add thesaurus to my openoffice.org2?
[08:33] <freddy> nalioth_zZz, ok mom
[08:34] <MagicFab_Mtl> Hmmmm: however nightly releases from yesterday are there - its almost the same
[08:34] <Hmmmm> any idea as to when I should expect it, MagicFab_Mtl ?
[08:34] <Hmmmm> the final one that is
[08:34] <fatejudger> wow
[08:34] <wilhelm> people question! is there any game that works with ubuntu? thanks!
[08:34] <Sund00bie> with the intsall for ubuntu, is there anyway to do an advanced isntall of grub ?
[08:34] <fatejudger> this is so slow
[08:34] <MagicFab_Mtl> Hmmmm: I'd say next few hours...
[08:34] <fatejudger> increadibly slow
[08:34] <chavo> wilhelm, there's a game or two yes
[08:34] <graig> neverwinter nights works in ubunt.
[08:34] <Hughie> okay cool, but when i got to do that it says i need libc6-dev
[08:35] <tristanmike> wilhelm, what do you mean by "any game"
[08:35] <Sund00bie> wilhelm: UT2004
[08:35] <GTroy_> does breezy come with FF 1.5?
[08:35] <dicrapio> so are the backports ready for breezy?
[08:35] <wilhelm> like nba live 06?
[08:35] <tristanmike> wilhelm, America's Army and Enemy Territory
[08:35] <wilhelm> sorry im a new user of ubuntu...
[08:35] <Sund00bie> maybe with wine or wineX
[08:35] <chiddy> GTroy_, probably has 1.07, i don't think 1.5 is final yet, is it?
[08:35] <chavo> enemy territory rocks!
[08:35] <paulproteus> fatejudger: The download, or the OS?
[08:35] <tristanmike> wilhelm, no, nothing like that naitively, but you could try Wine or Cedega
[08:35] <chavo> 1.5 is beta
[08:35] <freddy> LOL nba live 2006
[08:36] <MagicFab_Mtl> Hmmmm: nightlies at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/
[08:36] <glick> i have wine but cant think of any windows apps i want to run
[08:36] <Sund00bie> grub keeps getting installed to hda but i need it to install to hdb ??
[08:36] <GTroy_> that makes sense chiddy
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[08:37] (tristanmike/#ubuntu) graig, I know, I suggested enemy territory and america's army, why did you think I didn't?
[08:37] (glick/#ubuntu) hehe i have xmms
[08:37] (glick/#ubuntu) winamp sucks
[08:37] (bur[n] er/#ubuntu) heh, whatever
[08:37] (MagicFab_Mtl/#ubuntu) xmms pretty much does the same as winamp
[08:37] (khermans/#ubuntu) gogeta, you dont need to get the new ISO
[08:37] (khermans/#ubuntu) gogeta, just do an aptitude update
[08:37] (khermans/#ubuntu) and upgrade
[08:38] (gogeta/#ubuntu) ok
[08:38] (bur[n] er/#ubuntu) beep-media-player rox all over xmms anyway ;)
[08:38] (gogeta/#ubuntu) but x didnt setup
[08:38] (gogeta/#ubuntu) on preview
[08:38] (khermans/#ubuntu) oh
[08:38] (paulproteus/#ubuntu) bur[n] er: Right on.
[08:38] (paulproteus/#ubuntu) bmp > xmms
[08:38] (MagicFab_Mtl/#ubuntu) gogeta: what video card do you have ?
[08:38] (gogeta/#ubuntu) x isnt setup at all lol thats what it tells me
[08:38] (MagicFab_Mtl/#ubuntu) gogeta: do u have access to the console ? (text login)
[08:38] <gogeta> yep
[08:39] <starscalling> :/
[08:39] <starscalling> where would a general config file go for something um
[08:39] <j0bezone> I use xmms since 1997
[08:39] <starscalling> say for instance gotmaill?
[08:39] <MagicFab_Mtl> gogeta: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:39] <j0bezone> or even earlier.
[08:39] <starscalling> something that i installed from apt-get?
[08:39] <Goonie> Where is the Breezy DVD release? I can only find Install CD & Live CD...
[08:39] <gogeta> lol i dont even knoe default root pass
[08:40] <gogeta> it didnt een ask to set that
[08:40] <MagicFab_Mtl> Goonie: not official yet
[08:40] <Tidus> Goonie: ubuntu's designed to fit most stuff that a normal user would use on a single CD
[08:40] <j0bezone> I think it was the 2nd app I learned about that would play mp3's. The first was mpg123 :)
[08:40] <Sund00bie> :(
[08:40] <MagicFab_Mtl> gogeta: there's no root account. The "root password" is the one from the first user you created
[08:40] <bur[n] er> mpg123 was my first :)
[08:40] <gogeta> i see
[08:40] <Goonie> magicfab: when will it be official?
[08:40] <tristanmike> wilhelm, do you have a question
[08:40] <wilhelm> mp3
[08:40] <bur[n] er> especially fun over ssh when starting out ;)
[08:40] <gogeta> brb\
[08:41] <Goonie> tidus: that's ok, but the install cd does not contain a live cd, which the dvd does
[08:41] <MagicFab_Mtl> Goonie: I guess it is already but hasn't been up[loaded/ moved
[08:41] <graig> can you open a file share to a windows box with ssh?
[08:41] <tristanmike> !tell wilhelm about mp3
[08:41] <MagicFab_Mtl> Goonie: you can get the nightly at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/
[08:41] <Tidus> gogeta: technically, MagicFab_Mtl is incorrect.  there IS a root account, but it's locked by default in favor of the sudo program
[08:41] <Sund00bie> can u assign which hdds mbr u install grub to in the install ???
[08:41] <bur[n] er> so when do the backports repos open up? ;)
[08:41] <MagicFab_Mtl> Tidus: I stand corrected, that right
[08:42] <j0bezone> and I remember when I first installed a beta of Gnome, and being amazed by all the cute icons, and themes (there was a funky cheese theme, which made applications seem to be made of cheese (yellow with holes).
[08:42] <taotime> realplayer10gold.bin wants libstdc++.so.5 hoow do i get it
[08:42] <Tidus> taotime: apt-get install libstdc++5
[08:42] <glick> why do they call grey hair blue
[08:42] <fatejudger> why do you have realplayer?
[08:42] <glick> ?
[08:42] <Slaj_R> scripting question:  In a bash script, I issue the command "cd /home/me/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/blah/blah." When trying to run the script, I get "no such directory."  Is there a syntax problem?
[08:42] <taotime> fatejudger : to listen to music on the internet
[08:42] <dicrapio> i noticed the backports for breeze are not ready, should i comment them out before upgrading/
[08:43] <fatejudger> taotime: you do realize you can use Kaffeine for that right?
[08:43] <shermanator> taotime, xmms can play internet radio fine
[08:43] <fatejudger> taotime: which is a million times better than that shitty realplayer
[08:43] <graig> i tried to install realplayer, so i could watch videos in the browser or movie trailers, and it wont recognise the plugin.
[08:43] <MagicFab_Mtl> Burner: use lsb_release -a to check what's your version
[08:43] <tristanmike> fatejudger, language please
[08:44] <bur[n] er> MagicFab_Mtl: :)
[08:44] <irvin> hi
[08:44] <bur[n] er> thanks
[08:44] <MagicFab_Mtl> dicrapio wins the trip to the moon (without spacesuit) :D
[08:44] <taotime> fatejudger: try www.smashits.com and see if kaffeine works cause i will try anything as long as it works
[08:44] <dicrapio> :(
[08:44] <fatejudger> taotime: you have to download the codecs off of mplayer's website
[08:44] <gefbals> hello gud day to all just asking how to counter the UDI mount mount volume problem on my floppy?
[08:44] <fatejudger> taotime: and put the codecs in the appropriate directory
[08:44] <taotime> shermanator : try that for me will ya www.smashits.com
[08:44] <MagicFab_Mtl> dicrapio: (earlier joke)
[08:44] <taotime> yes i am from texas
[08:44] <dicrapio> :P
[08:45] <MagicFab_Mtl> ;)
[08:45] <MagicFab_Mtl> dicrapio: check the topic
[08:46] <MagicFab_Mtl> someone mentioned no backports for now
[08:46] <MagicFab_Mtl> gefbals: UDI ?
[08:46] <starscalling> WORK WITH EVOLUTION DARNIT >_> lol
[08:46] <airmikey> so do i haved to go get  a tar file of libdvdcss2
[08:46] <dicrapio> dam it wont go any higher
[08:46] <EpheMeroN> sup everyone
[08:47] <airmikey> what up
[08:47] <MagicFab_Mtl> airmikey: more like a package...
[08:47] <Tidus> starscalling: i don't think that hotmail will work with anything except their own web interface unless you pay them
[08:47] <dicrapio> can u paste the link real quick?
[08:47] <EpheMeroN> getting ready to grab the new ubunto off a torrent :)
[08:47] <EpheMeroN> ubuntu can dual-boot with winxp easily yes?
[08:47] <Tidus> dicrapio: what irc client are you using?
[08:47] <gefbals> MagicFab Mtl: yeah..
[08:47] <dicrapio> kopete's
[08:48] <MagicFab_Mtl> EpheMeroN: dual boot yeah
[08:48] <Tidus> dicrapio: ah.... you could try typing just /topic and it might be able to print the topic
[08:48] <Tidus> i know irssi does it that way
[08:48] <MagicFab_Mtl> gefbals: I mean WHAT is UDI ?
[08:48] <dicrapio> thx
[08:48] <EpheMeroN> nice
[08:48] <EpheMeroN> Ubuntu uses Grub bootloader?
[08:48] <locomorto> yes
[08:48] <Proteque> EpheMeroN: or lilo
[08:48] <MagicFab_Mtl> EpheMeroN: yes
[08:48] <EpheMeroN> oh it has the option for either during install?
[08:48] <Proteque> or yboot
[08:49] <gefbals> MagicFab Mtl: it just appear on my pop-up window when i mount my floppy....
[08:49] <MagicFab_Mtl> EpheMeroN: I think it uses lilo if you erase the entire disk and only install U.
[08:49] <shermanator> taotime, doesnt work well... real internet radio stations allow you to download a .pls file or a .m3u file which can be run via xmms, like www.rantradio.com
[08:49] <gefbals> MagicFab Mtl: some kind of an error
[08:49] <Tidus> MagicFab_Mtl: it uses grub by default.  i have an ubuntu only laptop, and it installed grub
[08:49] <MagicFab_Mtl> EpheMeroN: but if you have another OS, like XP, it detects it and proposes to install grub
[08:49] <EpheMeroN> excellent
[08:49] <ceeKay> quick question- does the current ubuntu liveCD include ndiswrapper and wpa-supplicant?
[08:49] <MagicFab_Mtl> gefbals: unless you give us the full error it's not easy to help
[08:50] <VoX> i did an update on my amd64 about 12 hours ago, and some package that was updated has majorly broken the nvidia packages, do the point that i'm having serrious issues even /removing/ the package so i can re-install it. how would i find out which package it was, and who do i report it to?
[08:50] <glick> damn this is taking a long damn time!
[08:50] <bjv> on another box i've a printer, my ubuntu liveCD loaded lexmark "510 series" drivers for it.. how do get that driver for my current installed ubuntu OS, on another box??
[08:50] <MagicFab_Mtl> Tidus: I think what I described was in warty
[08:50] <glick> i want to run kernel 0.2
[08:50] <bjv> the liveCD just has 1 giant .cloop file, so i cant find the .pdd or whatever.
[08:50] <gefbals> MagicFab Mtl: error: UDI mount mount volume
[08:50] <EpheMeroN> if ubuntu has good wireless support then i'm sure i'll be happy with it
[08:51] <Tidus> MagicFab_Mtl: my ubuntu only laptop is running hoary, and my last ubuntu install, which was warty, used grub only
[08:51] <taotime> sermanator : i installed realplayer anyways but the music from that site doesn't work any idea how else to do it with xmms or something else
[08:51] <glick> is that a agood kernel?
[08:51] <MagicFab_Mtl> ceekay: dont think so. isn't wpaSupp in universe ?
[08:51] <glick> kernel 0,2
[08:51] <starscalling> is anyone able to check their hotmail or yahoo accounts through evolution?
[08:51] <glick> or kernel 1.0
[08:51] <starscalling> just give me a glimmer of hope please
[08:51] <oz> yes I can check all of my email
[08:51] <starscalling> ok
[08:51] <ceeKay> MagicFab_Mtl yeah i'm pretty sure it is... looking for a livecd that will have my wifi working long enough to install gentoo :)
[08:51] <ceeKay> thanks
[08:51] <wilhelm> tristanmike: how will i add a program, like ym?
[08:51] <Tidus> starscalling: external mail check (whether it be pop3 for yahoo, or HTML for hotmail) is a pay service on both
[08:51] <starscalling> ill hit you up tomorrow perhaps, because im having the worst time trying to get that to work oz
[08:51] <taotime> ceekay :  installing gentto via wifi is not fun
[08:52] <MagicFab_Mtl> EpheMeroN: wifi sure is better. I used to need ndiswrapper and now it worked out of the box (broadcom chipset)
[08:52] <oz> is this release of breezy different than having all the updates to the proeview release?
[08:52] <EpheMeroN> excellent :)
[08:52] <ceeKay> taotime: yeah i'm gettting headaches just thinking about it
[08:52] <tristanmike> wilhelm, I assume you mean yahoo messenger, you use Gaim, installed by default, it supports mulitple protocols, like msn, yahoo, etc.
[08:52] <EpheMeroN> I have a Prism2-based chipset for my pcmcia wireless card
[08:52] <starscalling> Tidus:: there are supposedly workarounds... just ive not found one that works. thank god [or rather the developers for apt-get remove --purge] 
[08:52] <starscalling> :P
[08:52] <EpheMeroN> linksys wpc11 i believe it's called
[08:52] <starscalling> [it works in gaim for instance...
[08:52] <glick> apt-get -f install isnt fixing my broken packages
[08:52] <starscalling> ] 
[08:52] <MagicFab_Mtl> oz: not, it's the same, from what I've experienced and been told
[08:53] <oz> crap!! i still can't play dvd's
[08:53] <MagicFab_Mtl> oz: so I mean, no, it's not different
[08:53] <starscalling> heh playing dvds.... tomorrow tomorrow *me sings*
[08:53] <oz> I have been going around i circles here
[08:53] <wilhelm> ok, thanks!
[08:54] <Tidus> oz: there is one library you need, which is libdvdcss2
[08:54] <taotime> ceekay : i did this last time may be will work for you. my cousin has an office with broadband, took my desktop cpu/tower to their offfice and installed debian via network and then came back home and tried it with my monitor at home and it complained a little bit but then started working
[08:54] <dion> hi...............
[08:54] <oz> On BeOs I hae full functionality except no jave because I am using the pro version and not the corporate edition
[08:54] <wilhelm> gtg!
[08:54] <oz> In Kubuntu I can't get sound on my sb live
[08:54] <oz> On solaris I can't get anything
[08:54] <glick> http://rafb.net/paste/results/oJw4B384.html
[08:54] <oz> on Breezy I can't playdvd's
[08:54] <Tidus> oz: easy workaround.  to make your sblive work, 'sudo modprobe snd-emu10k1'
[08:54] <glick> those are the errors i get
[08:55] <ceeKay>  taotime : thanks. if it really comes down to it i will run a wire across the entire house while i do it (i keep an extra long one around for times like that)... i was just hoping i would be able to find a livecd with WPA and ndiswrapper support
[08:55] <tuesday23> hi
[08:55] <MagicFab_Mtl> tuesday23: welc
[08:55] <ui> !breezy
[08:55] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[08:55] <glick> can anyone help me out?
[08:55] <tuesday23> hi MagicFab_Mtl
[08:55] <oz> what about playing dvd's in Breezy?
[08:56] <Myrtti> /me spanks xfelon`gone
[08:56] <Tidus> oz: the library you might not have is libdvdcss2
[08:56] <oz> I tried finding that with synaptic and it is not there
[08:56] <glick> /var/cache/apt/archives/python-wxversion_2.6.1.1.1ubuntu2_all.deb
[08:56] <glick> thats causing problems
[08:56] <crimsun> glick: remove it temporarily
[08:56] <Tidus> oz: maybe it's just libdvdcss, idk
[08:56] <taotime> ceeKay : try this anyone of the floppies based linux will do. and then go online  by a modem connection download the necessary modules etc. and then go on with it
[08:56] <Tidus> and of course it'll be in the universe repo
[08:57] <crimsun> glick: known issues if you have the 2.5.3 versions installed
[08:57] <oz> I will look
[08:57] <VoX> i did an update on my amd64 about 12 hours ago, and some package that was updated has majorly broken the nvidia packages, do the point that i'm having serrious issues even /removing/ the package so i can re-install it. how would i find out which package it was, and who do i report it to?
[08:58] <ceeKay> taotime i'm definitely not that desperate.. nicely (over)engineered solution though :)
[08:58] <tuesday23> i dont know if i should update. i use linux for a week now and i dont know much about it. i dont want to destroy anything again :)
[08:58] <budluva> any xvid howto's for breezy?
[08:58] <oz> no all they have libdvdread-3 avaiable
[08:58] <crimsun> oz: you need to use the testing repo of debian-marillat to get libdvdcss2
[08:58] <Java_The_Hutt> does anyone knows how to use GPRS connection through bluetooth ?
[08:59] <Tidus> oz: to play commercial DVDs, you need libdvdcss
[08:59] <oz> you got me on that one I am new at this unix/linux stuff
[08:59] <MagicFab_Mtl> oz: look in the wiki for Restricted Formats
[08:59] <crimsun> oz: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:59] <Madpilot> !tell cz about restricted
[08:59] <Tidus> !tell oz about restricted
[08:59] <DShepherd> ubuntu = the brown sugar....so sweet, so addictive, so .... so....brown.....ah
[08:59] <oz> wiki is on the internet right?
[08:59] <airmikey> lol
[09:00] <MagicFab_Mtl> oz: yes, it's a web site
[09:00] <bitbucket> x.x
[09:00] <Madpilot> cz: yes, see the msg ubotu just sent you
[09:00] <freddy> omg i dont know how to install java enviroment.....i ended up installing some stuff called NetBEans.....wtf
[09:00] <oz> soory I said I waqs new at this!!!
[09:00] <oz> and I type really bad as well
[09:00] <Severian> On test machines where I have been running Breezy Badger Colony releases, I assume that if I apply all updates that it will be the same as if I reinstalled 5.10.  Is that correct?
[09:00] <MagicFab_Mtl> ite all
[09:00] <seethru> !tell seethru w32codecs
[09:00] <crimsun> seethru: yes
[09:01] <seethru> bah
[09:01] <seethru> this is fun, no w32codecs despite hoary-backports being enabled....now I'm regretting doing a fresh install lol
[09:01] <lhb> freddy: you installed the sdk, the jre and netbeans ide
[09:01] <ui> !breezy
[09:01] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[09:02] <ishit> the repository adress given in unbuntuguide are all dried up. Can anyone giv me new repositories
[09:02] <crimsun> seethru: use debian-marillat's etch repo.
[09:02] <oz> I'll try now be back
[09:02] <tristanmike> !tell ishit about repos
[09:02] <seethru> crimsun: ty
[09:03] <taotime> ceeKay : i m basically a mechanical engineer that's how i think. come to think of it my laptop was 28.00 US Dollars and had no escape key i installed linux and guess what worked vi editor with that.
[09:03] <airmikey> ok ive got libdvdcss2 and libdvdread installed...dvd still not playing
[09:03] <freddy> if i want to add java to /usr/bin to make it avaliable in my $PATH, how can i go about doing this?
[09:04] <keffynd> !tell keffynd about repos
[09:04] <crimsun> freddy: use java-package
[09:04] <ceeKay> taotime : i live with an ME so i totally understand now
[09:04] <lhb> !java
[09:04] <ubotu> javadeb is, like, totally, for sun java debs packaged for ubuntu, Install from http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/87ofx (Breezy) 64-bit? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#java
[09:05] <keffynd> how can I tell waht version I have?
[09:05] <freddy> i have it installed...i just wanna know how to make a symbolic link to /usr/bin to make it avaliable in my $PATH
[09:05] <Drakeson> how can I setup mediawiki? (apt-get installed it, now I have the config page, but don't know what to put in the database user/pass fields)
[09:05] <keffynd> Linux office 2.6.12-9-386 #1 Mon Oct 10 13:14:36 BST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[09:05] <DShepherd> keffynd: /etc/issue
[09:05] <keffynd> DShepherd --> Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger" \n \l
[09:06] <khermans> If you are in the Massachusetts area, our FTP server will be pumping out Breezy all night long -- most of them are almost done downloading
[09:06] <khermans> ftp://ftp.umasslug.org/iso/Ubuntu/Breezy/
[09:06] <keffynd> DShepherd am I im need of upgrading?
[09:06] <keffynd> I am not sure when the CD I have was ISO'd
[09:06] <DShepherd> keffynd: /topic
[09:07] <Madpilot> wow, I'm all the way up to 2% of the Breezy Install ISO via BT... after just over 1 hour of d/l... huh...
[09:07] <vengeful> sucks to be you hehe
[09:07] <Syruss> huh?
[09:07] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:07] <Syruss> I was downloading the torrent at 3MB/sec a few days ago
[09:07] <DShepherd> keffynd: you got 5.10 no need to upgrade
[09:07] <keffynd> ok so this ver I have is the latest :)
[09:07] <Madpilot> khermans: I'm on the other side of the continent and in another country, but I might take you up on that :)
[09:07] <Syruss> that's right, megabytes
[09:07] <Syruss> :p
[09:07] <Syruss> bbl
[09:07] <freddy> omg how do i make a smybolic link?
[09:07] <freddy> :*
[09:08] <tga> freddy: man ln
[09:08] <bjv> this ubuntu live cd of mine had drivers for one of my printers, how can i get those drivers for another linux box?
[09:08] <GTroy_> why does usb 1.0 transfer as fast as windows usb 2.0?
[09:08] <bjv> i dont see anything on ubuntulinux.org
[09:08] <taotime> anybody got some time to explain and experiment xmms vs realplayer
[09:08] <freddy> tga, been there done that :( . No manual entry for ln
[09:08] <freddy> See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available.
[09:08] <funkyHat> GTroy_, because linux is better than windows
[09:08] <wrabbit01> anybody know which drivers I should be installing for graphics on the IBM thinkpad t20? nVidia or ATI
[09:08] <vengeful> no updates overnight..that mean we are done..or is there gonna be one huge update later?
[09:09] <funkyHat> :D :P
[09:09] <Madpilot> bjv: have a look here: http://www.linuxprinting.org
[09:09] <bjv> taotime: what? ive got xmms and rp 10 installed. what about them?
[09:09] <tga> freddy: funny, you're missing some man pages then
[09:09] <GTroy_> but how the hell does it do it?
[09:09] <tga> freddy: the short deal is: ln -s SOURCE DESTINATION
[09:09] <bjv> Madpilot: but the ubuntu live CD *has* the drivers.
[09:09] <bootylicious_twi> hi
[09:09] <bjv> so where are these ubuntu compiled/functional drivers at?
[09:09] <funkyHat> GTroy_, in all honesty, it's more likely a case of windows just _not_ doing it
[09:09] <taotime> bjv : good friend, try this for me , man i have ubuntu installed since the last week, i m trying to listen to some songs on the internet the website is www.raaga.com/hindi/artists/
[09:09] <Madpilot> bjv: packages.ubuntu.com is probably a good place to look
[09:09] <GTroy_> gotcha funkyhat
[09:10] <tga> GTroy_: usb 2 should be about 10 times faster than usb 1 iirc
[09:10] <bootylicious_twi> you can check out my blog.... http://markceleste.blogspot.com
[09:10] <vengeful> wrabbit01, i think they use the intel 915 ones?
[09:10] <tga> bootylicious_twi: why would we want to do that?
[09:10] <taotime> bjv : now neither my xmms rhythmbox or realplayer10  are working for that songs
[09:10] <ceeKay> taotime : looks like the current version of knoppix has both.. just in case you ever wondered
[09:10] <vengeful> which no official drivers exist yet for linux..but ubuntu seems to work so dont touch it :-P
[09:10] <freddy> tga, after doing that i get this freddy@lappy:/usr/bin$ file java
[09:10] <freddy> java: broken symbolic link to `java'
[09:10] <freddy> :(
[09:10] <freddy> it does it...but not correctly
[09:11] <HiddenFly> anyone here have www.lastcallpoker.com working? i get only a blank page when trying to enter the lobby :/
[09:11] <taotime> ceekay : it's not about having both, it's about proving to my wife that she can listen to music from my/our country in linux.
[09:11] <tga> freddy: what did you symlink exactly?
[09:11] <taotime> ceeKay : u know sort of wanna show them linux
[09:11] <bootylicious_twi> helllllllllooooooooooooo
[09:11] <bjv> taotime: The page cannot be found
[09:12] <glick> hmm i cant instally python-wxversion
[09:12] <freddy> tga, ln -s java /usr/bin
[09:12] <ceeKay> heh
[09:12] <bootylicious_twi> i dont know what you,ve been saying!!!
[09:12] <bootylicious_twi> hahhahahhaha
[09:12] <tga> freddy: ln -s SOURCE DESTINATION
[09:12] <bootylicious_twi> di ko alam kung paano gamitin itong linux
[09:12] <tga> freddy: your command makes /usr/bin a symlink to ./java
[09:12] <taotime> bjv : since u have gone thru the trouble try one more time www.raaga.com click on hindi click on artists click on any artists select all songs and try to play it.  watchout for the popups though
[09:12] <bootylicious_twi> di ako makapagsave sa aking disktz
[09:13] <tga> bootylicious_twi: English or else
[09:13] <bjv> rtaotime: i cut off the "www." part, im loading       aaga.com/channels/hindi/   as we speak
[09:13] <bootylicious_twi> tagalog! bulokkkkk!!!!
[09:13] <bjv> im certain it will play. :p
[09:13] <tga> !tagalog
[09:13] <ubotu> hmm... tagalog is spoken in #ubuntu-ph
[09:13] <bjv> *raaga     ;\
[09:13] <bootylicious_twi> sure?????
[09:13] <funkyHat> :S tagalog?
[09:13] <bootylicious_twi> yeah im tagalog you know men
[09:14] <bootylicious_twi> yeah... in philippines
[09:14] <keffynd> Ubuntu, odd name, awesome OS
[09:14] <ceeKay> freddy : i hate making symlinks- i always do the wrong one first... its like plugging in USB devices... you ALWAYS plug it in the wrong way first, then turn it over, then realize that you were plugging it in the right way the first time it just seemed like the wrong way but it was really just at the wrong angle
[09:14] <jgrieves> alright well the CD is good to go :)
[09:14] <bootylicious_twi> huh?
[09:14] <jgrieves> ceeKay LOL I just was telling my boss that
[09:14] <bootylicious_twi> i cant understand waht is your topiczzzz
[09:14] <freddy> tga, no..i found why....i was having problems with perms.....and btw...i was doing the sym link from the java directory....thats why i said java instead of /usr/bin/jse/bin/java /usr/bin/
[09:14] <bootylicious_twi> helloooo
[09:14] <airmikey> what else do i need besides libdvdcss2
[09:14] <bootylicious_twi> hoy cge na bah... wala ko kasabot
[09:14] <airmikey> to play dvds
[09:15] <gefbals> hello gud day, anyhelp with UDI mount volume problem on floppy?
[09:15] <freddy> ceeKay, lol
[09:15] <freddy> i see
[09:15] <tga> bootylicious_twi: #ubuntu-ph, really
[09:15] <bootylicious_twi> ako floppy
[09:15] <bootylicious_twi> hehhehehehehhe
[09:15] <ui> o.O
[09:15] <bootylicious_twi> ooooo ka dyan/!
[09:15] <aftertaf> !ph
[09:15] <ubotu> Join #ubuntu-ph for tagalog
[09:15] <athlon> !de
[09:15] <ubotu> Bitte gehen sie nach #ubuntu-de fuer deutschsprachige hilfe
[09:16] <gefbals> tagalog puti itlog
[09:16] <[nrx] > hi :)
[09:16] <bootylicious_twi> talaga?
[09:16] <bitbucket> http://www.2600.com/offthehook/2005/1005.html
[09:16] <gefbals> hello gud day, anyhelp with UDI mount volume problem on floppy?
[09:16] <bootylicious_twi> ikaw bay tagalog? tga san ka pla?
[09:16] <[nrx] > can anyone help me with setting up a webcam in ubuntu?
[09:16] <Madpilot> bootylicious_twi: Join #ubuntu-ph for tagalog and please stop spamming this channel!
[09:17] <timing> Okay i know when i ask a question here, it's forgotten in about ten minutes, it's a question related to udev, does someone know an irc channel with udev nerds?
[09:17] <taotime> nrx : is the webcam attached to the computer via usb
[09:17] <tristanmike> bootylicious_twi, you've been asked, english in here please or "/join #ubuntu-ph" for hlep
[09:17] <[nrx] > taotime, yes
[09:17] <taotime> nrx : can u c the name/make/model in the startup
[09:18] <[nrx] > well, i plugged it in after boot
[09:18] <jmworx> Any clue as to why acrobat reader segfaults on breezy?
[09:18] <[nrx] > came up in /var/log/message saying it found a full speed usb device
[09:18] <tga> jmworx: use xpdf :)
[09:18] <tga> jmworx: or the gnome thing
[09:18] <funkyHat> the gnome thing is pretty crap tbh
[09:18] <tga> xpdf works for me
[09:19] <taotime> nrx : i had to say this we in linux do not reboot.. but do it just once, in lieu of a better explanation : listen to an old man who has wasted/experimented several hours on linux
[09:19] <tga> I doubt that will help him
[09:19] <tga> he probably needs a driver
[09:19] <tga> ..that doesn't exist..
[09:19] <[nrx] > okay
[09:19] <[nrx] > will you be here when i get back? ;p
[09:20] <taotime> nrx : first go to the website for linux database and supported hardware see if ur camera is there... then we can go ahead and reboot
[09:20] <carthik> timing, what is the question? I have played around with udev recently
[09:21] <wrabbit> Anybody know if there's an easy way to install via graphics drivers?  Is it completely seperate to nvidia and ati?
[09:21] <glick> yeah dist-upgrade foobared my system
[09:21] <tga> glick: in what way
[09:21] <jmworx> tga: xpdf doesn't edit documents and so far, I've seen no Linux pdf viewer that can handle all pdf documents I give it.
[09:21] <aztek> didn't breezy add a WPA utility
[09:21] <vengeful> wrabbit, are you sure you have a via chipset
[09:21] <glick> tga, firstly all my icons in gnome like my file icons have been replaced with unknowns
[09:21] <tga> I had to alternate between dist-upgrade and dpkg --configure -f when upgrading
[09:21] <tga> glick: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[09:22] <wrabbit> vengeful.. I'm on an IBM thinkpad t20 laptop.  I'm pretty sure it's VIA.
[09:22] <vengeful> im pretty sure its intel
[09:22] <vengeful> your laptop though..so i guess you know it better ;-)
[09:22] <KenSentMe> aztek:  search the wiki for wpa, there is a howto about the subject
[09:22] <tga> jmworx: hmm.. you do need Acrobat for form editing
[09:22] <wrabbit> vengeful, it's new so no... I don't :P
[09:23] <vengeful> ok you bought it....it should of said the specs on it :-)
[09:23] <gefbals> hello gud day, anyhelp with UDI mount volume problem on floppy?
[09:23] <wrabbit> vengeful: From what I've seen on the net, the graphics chip is  an S3 savage
[09:23] <aftertaf> to remove a chroot, just need to delete the directory and remove any other mount references?
[09:23] <glick> i cant install ubuntu-desktop
[09:23] <jmworx> tga: yes. I tend to use mostly xpdf and gv, but sometimes I actually need acroread. I don't understand why it segfaults on breezy (worked on hoary).
[09:23] <glick> there is a problem
[09:23] <taotime> bjv : u still there did u try
[09:23] <wrabbit> vengeful, it was second hand
[09:23] <glick> it tells me to use apt-get install -f
[09:23] <glick> when i do it it says there is a problem
[09:23] <glick> so my installation is foobared
[09:24] <crimsun> glick: did you remove that python package?
[09:24] <glick> crimsun, yes
[09:24] <tga> jmworx: you could try strace on it, maybe it's missing something.. I'm afraid I can't help much
[09:24] <vengeful> then again maybe not...its abit old for intel
[09:24] <aftertaf> glick:  you pasted the pb anywhere?
[09:24] <jcoxon> morning everyone
[09:24] <crimsun> glick: so where is it stuck now?
[09:24] <Severian> wrabbit, I am on an A20.  IBM used Intel chipsets at that time.  Maybe they changed to VIA, but not in the timeframe of the T20.
[09:25] <crimsun> aftertaf: umount those mounts first
[09:25] <wrabbit> Severian.  Thanks.  Not sure why some sites say it's VIA
[09:25] <glick> crimsun, http://rafb.net/paste/results/QOLrsN39.htmlhttp://rafb.net/paste/results/QOLrsN39.html
[09:25] <aftertaf> crimsun:  oki ;) thx :)
[09:25] <glick> crimsun, http://rafb.net/paste/results/QOLrsN39.html
[09:25] <wrabbit> Severian,  Do you have ubuntu installed?
[09:26] <Severian> wrabbit, My A20 is still running Hoary.  I have Breezy on a couple of 845 based systems
[09:26] <C-Keen> moin :-)
[09:26] <crimsun> glick: you didn't remove the package
[09:26] <tga> Severian: lspci |grep AGP
[09:26] <ishit> latest repos for ubuntu
[09:26] <ishit> anyone??
[09:27] <aftertaf> glick:  a workariund ;)
[09:27] <crimsun> glick: sudo dpkg -P wxpython2.5.3
[09:27] <wrabbit> Severian, did you install nvidia gfx or ati? or is there something else? I'm new to this as you can tell
[09:27] <tristanmike> !tell ishit about repos
[09:27] <crimsun> ishit: topic?
[09:27] <jmworx> tga: it seems to look for libstdc++, do an munman and then segfaults and dies
[09:27] <aftertaf> crimsun:  dpkg -P ?
[09:27] <crimsun> aftertaf: dpkg is the underlying tool.
[09:27] <glick> crimsun, i get error: dependancy problems  prevent removal of wxpython2.5.3
[09:27] <aftertaf> yeah, but the -P ???
[09:27] <Severian> tga, VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility
[09:28] <dreamstar> hi guys
[09:28] <crimsun> glick: what packages?
[09:28] <tga> umm
[09:28] <aftertaf> glick:  type this:    dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/python-wxversion_2.6.1.1.1ubuntu2_all.deb
[09:28] <dreamstar> can i ask u an information?
[09:28] <aftertaf> *sudo :)
[09:28] <tga> Severian: uh, wrong nick  :)
[09:28] <crimsun> no, remove anything having to do with wxwidgets2.5.3
[09:28] <glick> crimsun, http://rafb.net/paste/results/zGeXds35.html
[09:28] <tga> wrabbit: lspci |grep AGP to see what video chipset you have
[09:29] <Discipulus> woo!
[09:29] <Severian> wrabbit, I just let Ubuntu use whatever video module it installed by default.  It is an ATI chip, and the defaults were fine.
[09:29] <Discipulus> verizon DSL is SWEET!
[09:29] <aftertaf> crimsun:  maybe he cant cos system is not in a stable state, installs pending....
[09:29] <JayPeee> did anyone try to do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[09:29] <tga> JayPeee: no
[09:29] <crimsun> aftertaf: dpkg doesn't care
[09:29] <wrabbit> tga, Severian .. thanks.
[09:29] <dreamstar> guys i had the 5.10 preview so now that the 5.10 final is out which repository should i choose?
[09:29] <yapyccky> hello everyone
[09:29] <aftertaf> dreamstar:  breezy ones.
[09:29] <aftertaf> !repos
[09:29] <ubotu> [sources]  at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[09:29] <yapyccky> who can help me to set up my video card?
[09:29] <crimsun> glick: sudo dpkg -P libwxgtk2.5.3-python wxpython2.5.3
[09:30] <yapyccky> i've a nvidia geforce fx 650
[09:30] <yapyccky> *5650
[09:30] <aftertaf> ok crimsun ;)
[09:30] <timing> carthik: i want to give the following value to a script of mine: Oct 13 08:57:57 usb-bak kernel: usb 4-4.6: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 12
[09:30] <yapyccky> i've already installed a vndia-glx
[09:30] <timing> carthik: the 4-4.6
[09:30] <timing> carthik: i used %d but it gives me 1.0.0.0
[09:30] <glick> aftertaf, that seemed to make things work
[09:30] <glick> what did that do?
[09:30] <mal1> how do I change the default editor in Ubuntu from Nano to vim?
[09:31] <Config|work> Just a question - I'm trying to reinstall firefox, but it gives me: it cannot be downloaded (internet connection is ok) - what am I doing wrong?
[09:31] <[nrx] > taotime,
[09:31] <wrabbit> tga, it says that my gfx controller is "S3 Inc. 86C270-294 Savage/IX-MV "
[09:31] <wrabbit> I'm such a newbie
[09:31] <wrabbit> No idea what that is
[09:31] <dreamstar> aftertaf: yep but i changed them as suggested on the wiki for the preview version, now i think i should change them again with the new one, right?
[09:31] <warpforge> mal1: how do you expect to run VIM if you can't figure out how to make it the default editor?
[09:31] <Config|work> I did a sudo apt-get --reinstall install firefox
[09:31] <glick> aftertaf, what did that line do?
[09:31] <mal1> warpforge: I use it all the time
[09:32] <mal1> where does ubuntu set the EDITOR environment variable
[09:32] <florian___> to upgrade from 5.10 PR to 5.10 final  - just do an pgrade?
[09:32] <dreamstar> florian: yep
[09:32] <florian___> k
[09:32] <warpforge> mal1: I think your question should be where does your SHELL set the editor variable.
[09:32] <lightstar> florian___ : just do apt-get upgrade
[09:32] <florian___> k, thanx
[09:32] <yapyccky> but can anyone give me an advise?
[09:32] <warpforge> mal1: I'm assuming you use BASH?
[09:32] <wrabbit> tga, oh wait.. it says..  Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge
[09:32] <mal1> yea
[09:33] <wrabbit> I'm gonna install ATI and see how that goes
[09:33] <Skid> hmm, all the dvd downloads 403?
[09:33] <wrabbit> if my laptop breaks.. it wasn't meant to be
[09:33] <dreamstar> ah ok so i can use the repository i used for the 5.10pre? is not a prob?
[09:33] <Skid> i wanted to mirror em
[09:33] <[nrx] > taotime, are you still there?
[09:33] <taotime> nrx : yep what happened did it work
[09:33] <mal1> it defaults to nano so obviously it has to be set somewhere in some configuration file
[09:33] <looga> to J-Pilot users here, I'm just about to upgrade to breezy and i want to save my jpilot files as backup. Where are they stored?
[09:33] <tga> wrabbit: I'm afraid the ATI will only help if you have an ATI chipset
[09:34] <[nrx] > it's come back with errors
[09:34] <tga> mal1: grep -r nano / :)
[09:34] <ishit> how do i instal java
[09:34] <tga> or grep -r EDITOR /etc or something
[09:34] <[nrx] > usb 1-1: control timeout on ep0out
[09:34] <[nrx] > usb 1-1: device not accepting address 2, error -110
[09:34] <[nrx] > usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 3
[09:34] <[nrx] > usb 1-1: control timeout on ep0out
[09:34] <[nrx] > usb 1-1: control timeout on ep0out
[09:34] <tga> !java
[09:34] <[nrx] > usb 1-1: device not accepting address 3, error -110
[09:34] <ubotu> [javadeb]  for sun java debs packaged for ubuntu, Install from http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/87ofx (Breezy) 64-bit? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#java
[09:34] <[nrx] > :/
[09:34] <wrabbit> tga :( So I need which drivers? Not exaclty sure which ones to get
[09:34] <tristanmike> !tell [nrx]  about pastebin
[09:34] <wrabbit> Is there such a thing as intel gfx drivers?
[09:35] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  i830... ec yes.
[09:35] <[nrx] > ;p
[09:35] <gleesond> I'm moving my file off of dvd that I used to back up my system but when I move them to my home dir, they are recusively read only is there a way to change this default?
[09:35] <Severian> wrabbit, sure.
[09:35] <gefbals> hello gud day, anyhelp with UDI mount volume problem on floppy?
[09:36] <tga> wrabbit: are you getting no video or do you want acceleration?
[09:36] <Severian> wrabbit, but the T20 does not have an Intel video chip.  I am not sure what it has, but it is not Intel.  Probably ATI.
[09:36] <wrabbit> tga, it's very boggy
[09:36] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  i have i810 and works fine.
[09:36] <wrabbit> tga, just need acceleration
[09:36] <[nrx] > taotime, any ideas?
[09:36] <sanxiyn> Does Ubuntu have multiple bug tracking system?
[09:36] <aftertaf> gleesond:  chmod?
[09:36] <tga> wrabbit: that might be tricky
[09:36] <wrabbit> I know
[09:36] <tga> sanxiyn: just bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[09:36] <wrabbit> :(
[09:37] <sanxiyn> tga: What is Malone?
[09:37] <carthik> timing,use %k for kernel name?
[09:37] <tga> sanxiyn: no idea
[09:37] <florian___> is there a graphical interface to manage iptables?
[09:37] <cevizoglu> is there a way to convert ext2 to ext3 and still keep the data?
[09:37] <warpforge> yes
[09:37] <sanxiyn> tga: Then why is it mentioned in some of Ubuntu package changelog?
[09:37] <warpforge> mount it as ext3
[09:37] <tga> sanxiyn: can you provide more context?
[09:38] <ssam> malone is part of launchpad, the new bug tracking thing
[09:38] <warpforge> ext3 and ext2 are exactly the same when properly unmounted
[09:38] <sanxiyn> ssam: Oh, so there *is* such a thing.
[09:38] <wrabbit> is there a way to check if any gfx drivers are actually installed?
[09:38] <tga> http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/ext2toext3.htm#_two2three
[09:38] <sanxiyn> tga, ssam: http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/a_bad_taste_in_the_mouth_detailed_ubuntu_patch_review-2005-10-13-03-57.html
[09:38] <budluva> whats the difference between dvd-r and
[09:38] <wrabbit> or which gfx drivers are installed
[09:38] <budluva> whats the difference between dvd-r and +r?
[09:38] <ssam> all breezy apps have extra items in the help menu that like to launchpad
[09:38] <tga> warpforge: not true, ext2 has no journal or anything
[09:38] <carthik> timing, what exactly are you trying to do - mount diff usb drives to different locations under /media/* ?
[09:38] <tga> cevizoglu: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/ext2toext3.htm#_two2three
[09:38] <sanxiyn> ssam: It's the first time I heard about it, although I follow debian-devel.
[09:38] <warpforge> tga: ext3's journal goes away when unmounted properly
[09:39] <damo21> whats the diff between the iso and the livecd
[09:39] <ssam> sanxiyn, its ubuntu not debian
[09:39] <jas_> Hello all I am back to ask more questions hehe
[09:39] <sanxiyn> ssam: If Ubuntu *is* committed to contributing back to Debian, mentioning some "secret" BTS in patch changelog is not a good way.
[09:39] <sanxiyn> ssam: Or, Ubuntu doesn't care about Debian?
[09:39] <cevizoglu> tga, warpforge: thx
[09:39] <warpforge> the difference btw. ext2 and ext3 is only while mounted or not-unmounted
[09:39] <wrabbit> damo21, live cd is booted at startup without install
[09:39] <glick> damn
[09:39] <glick> im still havin problems
[09:39] <crimsun> sanxiyn: what?
[09:40] <sanxiyn> ssam: AFAICT, this was never communicated to Debian, and some Debian developers are bepuzzled with Ubuntu patch collection.
[09:40] <glick> now its bitchin about libofox
[09:40] <damo21> wrabbit, whats the advantage for that?
[09:40] <jas_> Does anyone know if Limewire works on Ubuntu???
[09:40] <sanxiyn> crimsun: What? Which part of my words you don't understand?
[09:40] <warpforge> The diff. btw. DVD-R and DVD+R is whether the drive can write the media type to the disk. DVD-R (I think) is the one that forces the media type to be DVD-R. It could be the other way around.
[09:40] <wrabbit> damo21, try before you buy approach
[09:40] <jmworx> tga: OK, solved the problem. Installed gcc-3.3 (and corresponding libstdc++) and it works
[09:40] <ssam> sanxiyn, i wish everybody could just be friends
[09:40] <[nrx] > can anyone help me with getting a webcam working on ubuntu?
[09:41] <jas_> Does anyone know if Limewire works on Ubuntu???
[09:41] <damo21> wrabbit: does the livecd still have a nice install script
[09:41] <sanxiyn> ssam: Indeed, but this is a bad practice from Ubuntu, as far as I can tell.
[09:41] <Chousuke> jas_: it should
[09:41] <warpforge> Limewire works on ubuntu
[09:41] <crimsun> sanxiyn: where do you get off saying Ubuntu doesn't care about Debian?
[09:41] <jas_> Okay thank you
[09:41] <wrabbit> damo21, don't think so
[09:41] <xukun> how can I resume download with wget. it just stoped at 68%
[09:41] <ssam> sanxiyn, shuttleworth does not want new users the have to fight with bugzilla
[09:41] <sanxiyn> crimsun: I stated the fact: some of Ubuntu patches, which is collected http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/
[09:41] <mustard5> xukun, I think wget resumes itself
[09:41] <ssam> sanxiyn, i think that is a fair goal
[09:41] <sanxiyn> (Against their Debian counterpart)
[09:41] <paradon> xukun: -c
[09:42] <sanxiyn> ssam: Oh sure. So just announce about Lanuchpad.
[09:42] <sanxiyn> Or whatever.
[09:42] <glick> damn!
[09:42] <xukun> thanks guys
[09:42] <glick> im gonna have to back up my stuff and completely reinstall!
[09:42] <ssam> sanxiyn, launchpad is known about
[09:42] <Deanodriver> are there DVD images of breezy final yet?
[09:42] <glick> this blows!
[09:42] <tga> jmworx: w00t, three cheers for strace :)
[09:42] <crimsun> sanxiyn: that's MOM, which we KNOW is generating bad patches. See the topic in #ubuntu-devel
[09:42] <sanxiyn> ssam: Oh, surely then there was communication problem.
[09:42] <damo21> so if u just wanted to install breezy on to lots of machines, better to not use livecd?
[09:42] <sanxiyn> crimsun: Well, I wasn't talking about that.
[09:42] <jas_> Chousuke How do I install it
[09:42] <glick> im a little disappointed
[09:43] <Chousuke> jas_: dunno.
[09:43] <glick> cause upgrading was sposed to be so easy
[09:43] <aftertaf> glick:  why is that?
[09:43] <ssam> sanxiyn, maybe
[09:43] <sanxiyn> crimsun: I was talking about some Ubuntu package changelog referring to "Malone", where most Debian developers have no idea what the hell it is.
[09:43] <crimsun> sanxiyn: then what are you talking about, the ones that joey mentioned?
[09:43] <Chousuke> glick: what happened?
[09:43] <Gorgonzola> what's the best way to find where a packages files are installed - eg, i d/led an RPM used alien -i <packagename>.rpm to convert/install it... now where the hell are the files? :)
[09:43] <aftertaf> why reinstall?
[09:43] <jas_> Chousuke Your not help Hehe :P
[09:43] <Burgundavia> sanxiyn, LP is not free yet, so the announcments will come when various bits are made free (likely in the next little while)
[09:43] <Chousuke> jas_: it's Java.
[09:43] <jas_> Can anyone tell me how exactly I install Limewire?
[09:43] <crimsun> whiskey. tango. foxtrot.
[09:43] <sanxiyn> Burgundavia: Hope that's true.
[09:43] <aftertaf> glick:  why do you HAVE to reinstall?
[09:43] <glick> Chousuke, it didnt work well for me
[09:43] <aftertaf> glick:  type this:    dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/python-wxversion_2.6.1.1.1ubuntu2_all.deb
[09:43] <aftertaf> did you try that glick ?
[09:43] <Deanodriver> does anyone know where the DVD image torrents for Breezy final are located? I've looked around, but can only find the CD's
[09:44] <crimsun> Debian Developers who don't know that a search engine exists to find out what Malone is don't deserve to be DDs.
[09:44] <glick> aftertaf, that worked
[09:44] <aftertaf> Deanodriver:  maybe not ready yet?
[09:44] <sanxiyn> Burgundavia: So, to summarize,
[09:44] <cevizoglu> crimsun, romeo. juliet. hotel.
[09:44] <aftertaf> glick:  ok, so what next?
[09:44] <sanxiyn> crimsun: Hahaha
[09:44] <Skid> switch.ch mirrors the dvd images
[09:44] <Deanodriver> ok then, fair enough
[09:44] <Burgundavia> sanxiyn, it is always then intention to free bits of LP
[09:44] <MojOrow> can somone explain how to install a firewall on ubuntu
[09:44] <glick> http://rafb.net/paste/results/rPRdRC14.html
[09:44] <jas_> Can anyone tell me how exactly I install Limewire?
[09:44] <glick> now i get that
[09:44] <sanxiyn> Breezy ships with some tool making it easy for users to report bug (I assume?)
[09:44] <Skid> !tell MojOrow about firestarter
[09:45] <Skid> bleh
[09:45] <Burgundavia> sanxiyn, yes, into LP
[09:45] <sanxiyn> Which uses Malone, which is part of Launchpad,
[09:45] <Skid> MojOrow: search the forums for firestarter
[09:45] <Skid> or the wiki :)
[09:45] <sanxiyn> which is not Ubuntu bugzilla,
[09:45] <[nrx] > needing some help getting a webcam running in ubuntu please folks :/
[09:45] <Burgundavia> sanxiyn, bugzilla is likely to die very shortly
[09:45] <MojOrow> does it do outbound controll?
[09:45] <aftertaf> glick:  ok... pkg now /var/cache/apt/archives/libofx2_1%3a0.8.0-3ubuntu8_i386.deb
[09:45] <sanxiyn> Burgundavia: Oh, interesting.
[09:45] <aftertaf> glick:  run same command but with that package ;)
[09:45] <sanxiyn> So there was definitely a communication problem, I think.
[09:45] <jas_> Can anyone tell me how exactly I install Limewire?
[09:45] <Burgundavia> sanxiyn, it has always been the plan, but nothing in formalized yet
[09:45] <sanxiyn> The reason it wasn't communicated, is, because, Lanuchpad is not free.
[09:45] <sanxiyn> Great.
[09:46] <crimsun> no.
[09:46] <sanxiyn> Thank you for clarifications.
[09:46] <damo21> W00T downloading breezy now at 500kB/s
[09:46] <sanxiyn> crimsun: Oh, please correct my misconception.
[09:46] <timing> carthik: i have a hub, and i want to tell users in which hub a broken usb stick is
[09:46] <glick> aftertaf, what do you mean?
[09:46] <Burgundavia> sanxiyn, I understand Malone and Rosetta are expecting to be freed within the very near future, before the end of year at least
[09:46] <MojOrow> ?
[09:46] <mustard5> hi dbug
[09:46] <timing> carthik: and that 4-4.5 number is unique
[09:46] <aftertaf> glick:  type this:    dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libofx2_1%3a0.8.0-3ubuntu8_i386.deb
[09:47] <crimsun> look, if I'm forced to use Debian's BTS, and since my base packages come from Debian, and I provide dpatches, why can't the Debian maintainer find out what I'm referring to?
[09:47] <maxbern> what is "failed to run users-admin: Child Terminated with 162 status"
[09:47] <Orborde> That magical hour of Ubuntu Breezy's release has arrived! Hurray!
[09:47] <jas_> Can anyone tell me how exactly I install Limewire?
[09:47] <Gorgonzola> what's the best way to find where a package has installed it's  files -- eg, i d/led an RPM and used alien -i <packagename>.rpm to convert/install it... now where are the files?
[09:47] <[nrx] > needing some help getting a webcam running in ubuntu please folks :/
[09:47] <aftertaf> crimsun:  comms problems?
[09:47] <sanxiyn> crimsun: Huh?
[09:47] <maxbern> i add users
[09:47] <vengeful> isnt this abit off topic?
[09:48] <crimsun> vengeful: yes
[09:48] <glick> i gotta take a shower an get ready for bed
[09:48] <Orborde> Gorgonzola: Search for it in Synaptic, if you converted it to deb and installed it, and then right-click on it, go Properties, and then the "installed files" tab.
[09:48] <crimsun> sanxiyn: I'll be happy to rant about it in -offtopic
[09:48] <bjv> Orborde: That magical hour of Ubuntu Breezy's release has arrived! Hurray!
[09:48] <bjv> orly?
[09:48] <Gorgonzola> Orborde, thanks mate, will try it
[09:48] <sanxiyn> crimsun: #ubuntu-offtopic?
[09:48] <crimsun> yes
[09:48] <sanxiyn> Joined.
[09:49] <Orborde> bjv: What?
[09:49] <xukun> anybody installed the new breezy?
[09:49] <bjv> 5.10 being released.
[09:49] <maxbern> what is "failed to run users-admin: Child Terminated with 162 status" when i add user
[09:49] <vengeful> i 80% dont care and 20% wanna see a fight
[09:49] <mustard5> maxbern probably wrong password given
[09:49] <Orborde> maxbern: Try googling return codes?
[09:49] <wrabbit> aftertaf, ... you there?
[09:49] <[nrx] > can someone please help me getting a webcam running?
[09:49] <wrabbit> aftertaf, i830?
[09:49] <DShepherd> does breezy ship with firefox 1.0/7 or 1.5 beta 2?
[09:49] <Orborde> [nrx] : That is kind of everyone's least favorite problem to tackle, I think.
[09:50] <maxbern> what does it means Orborde
[09:50] <crimsun> jas_: you need a JRE/JDK, then download the limewire binary, then run it
[09:50] <sanxiyn> DShepherd: 1.0.7.
[09:50] <Severian> DShepherd, 10.7
[09:50] <[nrx] > Orborde, take it you don't want to help then? :/
[09:50] <maxbern> wrong pass? i am just making a user
[09:50] <Orborde> maxbern: I don't know, but perhaps it's a standard error code or something. I don't know quite how Linux works in that regard.
[09:50] <maxbern> hmmm
[09:50] <maxbern> im using ubuntu 5.04
[09:50] <Severian> DShepherd, 1.0.7, of couse, but sanxiyn beat me anyway
[09:51] <mustard5> did you use sudo to make the user maxbern ?
[09:51] <Orborde> [nrx] : It means that that is one of the hardest problems known to Linuxkind AFAIK. Try the forums.
[09:51] <DShepherd> sanxiyn: ok. Can I download the beta version via synaptic
[09:51] <maxbern> mustard5,  no
[09:51] <DShepherd> ?
[09:51] <maxbern> i used Gnome
[09:51] <sanxiyn> DShepherd: I don't think so.
[09:51] <maxbern> mustard5,  how do we used sudo?
[09:51] <DShepherd> sanxiyn: how can I get my hands on the beta version for breezy
[09:51] <lalah> hi
[09:51] <DShepherd> ?
[09:51] <mustard5> does the user group load up when you select it maxbern ?
[09:52] <mustard5> or does it ask for a password?
[09:52] <mustard5> I'm thinking you don't have sudo access at all, maxbern
[09:52] <maxbern> when i restard the pc the two username was displayed
[09:53] <mustard5> sudo is the 'superuser' command...you use it to execute things as root
[09:53] <maxbern> im the owner mustard5
[09:53] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  yep. in xorg.conf. onboard intex gfx card
[09:53] <maxbern> i make a user for others
[09:53] <DShepherd> Does anyone know how can I get my hands on the beta version for firefox for  breezy
[09:53] <maxbern> tell me how to use sudo i will try
[09:53] <DShepherd> of firefox*
[09:53] <maxbern> adding new user
[09:53] <mustard5> maxbern type cat /etc/sudoers in terminal and paste in #flood
[09:53] <aftertaf> !sudo
[09:53] <ubotu> sudo is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:54] <wrabbit> aftertaf, any easy way to install em?
[09:54] <maxbern> w8
[09:54] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  installed by default with worg i think
[09:54] <aftertaf> xorg even ;)
[09:55] <wrabbit> and I should have xorg installed
[09:55] <wrabbit> be gentle.. I'm a baby when it comes to this stuff
[09:55] <aftertaf> lol :)
[09:55] <mustard5> !tell maxbern about sudo
[09:55] <maxbern> done mustard5
[09:55] <mustard5> gtg bbl
[09:55] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  no pbs ;)... xorg is your graphic server
[09:56] <delmonico> happy release day everyone :)
[09:56] <timing> Hey how do i check for new hardware?
[09:56] <wrabbit> aftertaf, So it's already installed then.  Why is every thing so boggy?
[09:56] <Severian> delmonico, and the same to you.  cheers
[09:56] <wrabbit> even Win2k was faster than this
[09:56] <damo21> w00t so tired waiting for breezy now i can play with it
[09:57] <mustard5> so you are using account 'admin' atm maxbern ?
[09:57] <damo21> 50% dl
[09:58] <Shun_Gouki> good morning ubuntu community!
[09:58] <gleesond> what file do I need to put the win32codecs to make the music programs work
[09:58] <Chousuke> Hmm.
[09:59] <wrabbit> aftertaf, could just be the 700mhz.
[09:59] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  what is your gfx card?
[09:59] <wrabbit> aftertaf, .. it's on the laptop. I've been trying to work that out
[09:59] <tristanmike> !tell gleesond about mp3
[09:59] <Shin_Gouki> goooood moring community
[09:59] <Shin_Gouki> hi nalioth :)
[09:59] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  type lspci, what do you see?   (pastebin)
[09:59] <Shin_Gouki> i need a torrent for a 5.10 DVD, were may i get it?
[10:00] <looga> I am currently on Hoary. Before I upgrade, I want to get things back the way things were before--- this means, repos are back to default, programs are back to default, all programs installed are uninstalled. How do i do so?
[10:00] <wrabbit> aftertaf,  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=74944 <-- I paniced
[10:00] <looga> all programs THAT I installed are uninstalled.
[10:00] <crimsun> looga: make sure ubuntu-desktop is installed and that you have only Ubuntu repos in your sources.list.
[10:00] <Chousuke> I wonder if my university hosts an Ubuntu mirror too. They host ftp.fi.debian.org repos, and because I'm connected to the internet through their network, that mirror is nice and *fast*. :)
[10:00] <dooglus> looga: use "debfoster" to get rid of the extra stuff you installed
[10:01] <looga> dooglus: all the stuff I installed will be removed or only "Foster" programs (whatever foster means)?
[10:01] <Madpilot> Chousuke: if they don't, contact your Ops people and get the mirror set up!
[10:01] <dooglus> looga: debfoster will ask you a bunch of questions about what you want and what you don't.
[10:02] <looga> dooglus:  do i do debfoster before or after upgrade?
[10:02] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  panic happens, dont worry :)
[10:02] <Shin_Gouki> ahhhh why is the 5.10 DVD image still RC..?
[10:02] <dooglus> looga: if you tell it you want "ubuntu-desktop" first, by running "debfoster ubuntu-desktop", then you can answer 'p' (for 'purge') to everything else
[10:02] <dooglus> looga: (except perhaps you need ubuntu-base as well - so add that to the end of the debfoster command: "sudo debfoster ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-base"
[10:03] <wrabbit> aftertaf, So can you make anything of that?
[10:03] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  gfx card is:  VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86C270-294 Savage/IX-MV (rev 11)
[10:03] <looga> dooglus: so running "sudo debfoster ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-base" will remove ALL programs and ALL my personal files (e.g. my documents and pics in home directory), is this correct?
[10:03] <wrabbit> aftertaf, Yep.... and S3 is Via
[10:03] <wrabbit> aftertaf.. which means.  I have no idea what I'm doing
[10:04] <kYotiK> is dist-upgrade working ok?
[10:04] <aftertaf> S3 savage...
[10:04] <kYotiK> for 5.10
[10:06] <dooglus> looga: no, it's not.
[10:07] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man4/savage.4.html
[10:07] <dooglus> looga: it will prompt you about all the packages you installed, asking if you want to keep them or not.  it won't ask about the packages that came with hoary
[10:07] <nomike> hi
[10:07] <wrabbit> lol aftertaf .... I'm on that exact page
[10:07] <dooglus> looga: it will leave your home directory alone.  if you want to get rid of all your personal files, remove your user
[10:07] <nomike> is breezy stable now?
[10:07] <wrabbit> aftertaf.. thank you but it's not making much sense at the moment.  Still reading
[10:07] <looga> dooglus: what about my personal files (pictures, text documents, downloaded files from Net)? Will they be retained?
[10:07] <dooglus> 	deluser     [options]     [--remove-home]      [--home    DIR] 
[10:07] <dooglus> 	[--remove-all-files]  [--backup]  [--backup-to]  user
[10:08] <looga> dooglus: those last 2 lines you wrote; are they for me?
[10:08] <sw__> hello, after installing a libary and compiling/installing a programm the program can't find the libary: rtorrent: error while loading shared libraries: libtorrent.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory  <- find finds it but locate doesn't what can i do?
[10:08] <chjchjchj> problem; only 1gb free for ubuntu, and after install it is trying to install 1.4gb of apps...I have shut down and started, it tries again. I want X...but need to choose the packages. Can I make it stop, and let me choose ?
[10:08] <dooglus> looga: if you "deluser --remove-all-files <user>" then your files will be deleted, along with your user
[10:08] <dooglus> looga: there's no need to do that though
[10:08] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  hehe... it gives you the driver name for X
[10:08] <aftertaf> and this page http://accessibility.freestandards.org/a11yweb/presentations/kraft-20050126-mag.html has a couple of settings worth examining.
[10:09] <looga> dooglus:  why do you say there's no need to do the del-user command?
[10:09] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  paste your xorg.conf to pastebin if u want.
[10:09] <dooglus> looga: there's no need to delete all your pictures and other documents just to upgrade to breezy...
[10:09] <zoot_> hi everyone: who do i speak to re ubuntu mirrors? i'm in south africa and the za mirrors almost _always_ timeout and i have to use the irish, or other mirror.. kind of defeats the whole purpose of having local mirrors..
[10:10] <aftertaf> zoot_:  use just archive.....
[10:10] <zoot_> aftertaf: k, thx
[10:10] <looga> dooglus: i understand. How about the debfoster command? Do you think it's a good idea to run that so that I can start off with a clean slate with Breezy? I like clean slates.
[10:10] <nomike> I want to install a packages called pxesconfig which is cotained in the repos at ubuntu.com. But when I try to apt-get intstall it I get a package not found error. May it be that this package is breezyy only?
[10:10] <kYotiK> well i guess breezy was really final yesterday morning huh?
[10:10] <dooglus> looga: debfoster before the upgrade - but again, you don't need to do this either, unless you really want to get rid of the extra packages you've installed
[10:11] <chjchjchj> Can anyone tell me how to stop all packages installing, and choose the ones I want?
[10:11] <christoffer> Sorry, real noob here. Anyone like to help we with a few things?
[10:11] <dooglus> looga: if there's a package you wanted in hoary, you'll probably want it in breezy too, so why not leave it installed?
[10:11] <kYotiK> the last updates i got were in the early AM on wednesday
[10:11] <looga> dooglus: will these extra packages work in breezy?
[10:11] <kemik> christoffer:  post your real question instead
[10:11] <wrabbit> aftertaf.... gives you the driver name but no driver.  Also... how do I xorg.conf to paste?
[10:11] <looga> dooglus: won't the packages that I got need updating?
[10:11] <dooglus> looga: so long as they came from an 'official' repository they should
[10:11] <dooglus> not sure about backports, etc.
[10:12] <kYotiK> if you dist-upgrade everything will *upgrade *
[10:12] <christoffer> first of all I would like to unrar somethjing. I donwloaded winrar for linux but doesn't know what to do after that
[10:12] <kYotiK> dont worry its stable now
[10:12] <looga> what about stuff i got elsewhere, such as realplayer 10 from real.com, or the java uploadr for flickr?
[10:12] <kYotiK> it doesnt format
[10:12] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  the driver should be installed....    type gedit /etc/X11.xorg.conf, and copy/paste to pastebin
[10:12] <aftertaf> !pastebin
[10:12] <ubotu> pastebin is, like, a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:12] <looga> kYotiK: are you talking to me?
[10:12] <kYotiK> it just updates all your packages
[10:12] <kYotiK> looga, i guess
[10:12] <kYotiK> i think about 5 people asking the samething
[10:12] <kemik> christoffer:  not sure about that app.. i usually use unrar-nonfree   (syntax is "unrar e foo.rar" )
[10:13] <dooglus> it will only update if a new version is available...  it's possible that some repositories don't have 'breezy' versions yet.
[10:13] <kemik> christoffer:  and it's used by the archivemanager if you download it so there's a gui aswell
[10:13] <SillyCone> I have just passed the first stage of installation of breezy and after I reboot, I see a text-mode grub shell. What should I do?
[10:13] <onkarshinde> I am new developer on an application. While ./configure it says that libgnomeui is not installed on my machine. Synaptic shows that it is installed. Can anyone help?
[10:13] <kYotiK> dooglus: if you have multiple repos in your sources then you will most likely get the upgrade...
[10:14] <dooglus> 	deluser     [options]     [--remove-home]      [--home    DIR] 
[10:14] <dooglus> 	[--remove-all-files]  [--backup]  [--backup-to]  user
[10:14] <dooglus> sorry.
[10:14] <sanxiyn> onkarshinde: Install -dev package too.
[10:14] <dooglus> wrong button.
[10:14] <crimsun> SillyCone: are you sitting at a prompt?
[10:14] <onkarshinde> sanxiyn: Are you sure?
[10:14] <christoffer> where do  find that?
[10:14] <sanxiyn> onkarshinde: ?
[10:14] <looga> dooglus: why'd you write the deluser commands again?
[10:14] <SillyCone> crimsun: im using my windows laptop right now
[10:14] <sanxiyn> onkarshinde: Do you have libgnomeui-dev installed too?
[10:15] <dooglus> looga: accidentally...
[10:15] <onkarshinde> sanxiyn: No I don't have it.
[10:15] <SillyCone> crimsun: but the linux machine is right here
[10:15] <sanxiyn> onkarshinde: So install it.
[10:15] <christoffer> Are there any good place where I can easily learn thebasics of How-to in linux. I don't know  anything at all really, But pplan to learn
[10:15] <wrabbit> aftertaf, There's nothing in that file !! :{
[10:15] <crimsun> SillyCone: it should automatically continue after the reboot.
[10:15] <kemik> christoffer:  in universe/multiverse
[10:15] <sanxiyn> onkarshinde: To compile something using libgnomeui, you need -dev package.
[10:15] <wrabbit> aftertaf, No text at all
[10:15] <dooglus> looga: I got my irssi control-y to paste mixed up with my gnome-term control-shift-v to paste...
[10:15] <sanxiyn> Check with pkg-config --libs libgnomeui-2.0
[10:16] <onkarshinde> sanxiyn: Thanks
[10:16] <christoffer> that doesn't say me anything
[10:16] <SillyCone> crimsun: it didnt, it just displays the grub prompt
[10:16] <jinn> um..
[10:16] <jinn> i installed ubuntu recently.. and now i cant access my xp
[10:16] <jinn> :(
[10:16] <onkarshinde> where is the official announcement for breezy?
[10:16] <apokryphos> onkarshinde: topic
[10:16] <dooglus> is there anywhere I can find the md5 sums for ubuntu binaries?
[10:16] <jinn> i dont know what's going on, it messed with my boot sequence i think
[10:16] <onkarshinde> Found it.
[10:16] <looga> dooglus, kYotiK, so let me if i understand, there is no need at  all to run "sudo debfoster ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-base", is this correct? When is running that command helpful or necessary?
[10:16] <bjv> christoffer: what do you want to learn?
[10:17] <bjv> cd /bin
[10:17] <bjv> ls
[10:17] <jinn> can someone help me? @_@
[10:17] <dooglus> looga: it's useful for removing packages that you don't need
[10:17] <christoffer> first of all the concept of how to use linux
[10:17] <christoffer> I only used windows so far
[10:17] <crimsun> dooglus: use debsums
[10:17] <bjv> you have used dos?
[10:17] <dooglus> looga: without debfoster, it's hard to keep track
[10:17] <jinn> i just lost my windows when i installed linux.. what's going on
[10:17] <dooglus> crimsun: I think debsums checks against a local copy of the sums, which might have been modified locally.
[10:18] <kemik> jinn:  what did you do? install to a new partition ?
[10:18] <dooglus> crimsun: I was hoping for a 'trusted' source
[10:18] <jinn> yeah
[10:18] <Madpilot> christoffer: that's a pretty open ended question. Mostly, the desktop is pretty similar...
[10:18] <jinn> i installed to a separate partition
[10:18] <kemik> jinn:  open a terminal and type "sudo fdisk -l" and paste result on pastebin
[10:18] <brosioz> hi
[10:18] <brosioz> anyone could me explain the main difference from apache2 and apache1.33 ?
[10:18] <crimsun> dooglus: you can use any deb
[10:18] <dooglus> crimsun: sorry?
[10:18] <crimsun> dooglus: e.g., one that you download from the archive.
[10:19] <johnsie2k> how do I find out which version of Ibunut I'm running?
[10:19] <johnsie2k> Unbuntu*
[10:19] <apokryphos> johnsie2k: cat /etc/issue
[10:19] <bjv> christoffer: crash course in linux starts with    "open a terminal, type    ls        "
[10:19] <jinn> uh.. nothing happened lol
[10:19] <jinn> kemik, i'm very new at linux so i'm not sure exactly what you mean
[10:19] <johnsie2k> cheers
[10:19] <SillyCone> I have just passed the first stage of installation of breezy and after I reboot, I see a text-mode grub prompt. What should I do?
[10:19] <bjv> christoffer: that's an L, fyi
[10:20] <dooglus> crimsun: and then what?  I've got a .deb file - how do I get the md5sums?
[10:20] <Severian> johnsie2k, open a terminal prompt.  Type uname, and tell me what it says.
[10:20] <christoffer> where do I type that?
[10:20] <kemik> jinn:  in a terminal, type "sudo fdisk -l"   and paste the output on pastebin: http://pastebin.com/
[10:20] <johnsie2k> name
[10:20] <johnsie2k> Linux
[10:21] <christoffer> i.e what's a terminal
[10:21] <Severian> johnsie2k, nevermind, that cat command is better anyway.  I like to learn new commands.
[10:21] <sw__> hello, after installing a libary and compiling/installing a programm the program can't find the libary: rtorrent: error while loading shared libraries: libtorrent.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory  <- find finds it but locate doesn't what can i do?
[10:22] <jinn> kemik: http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=392025
[10:22] <dooglus> are ubuntu packages 'signed'?
[10:22] <Severian> christoffer, a terminal is like a Dos Window in Windows.
[10:22] <sanxiyn> sw__: Get libtorrent5.
[10:22] <Orborde> SillyCone: Boot into the first kernel on the list, probably.
[10:22] <wrabbit> Argh!!!!
[10:22] <wrabbit> :(
[10:23] <sanxiyn> dooglus: In some sense, yes. http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/Release.gpg
[10:23] <apoena> teste
[10:23] <SillyCone> Orborde: there is no list
[10:23] <SillyCone> just prompt
[10:23] <crimsun> dooglus: use -g with -p
[10:23] <jinn> did you get that kemik?
[10:23] <Orborde> SillyCone: Just...huh?
[10:23] <kemik> jinn:  well it looks like your windows partitions are intact at least.. i guess you'll have to recover grub
[10:23] <crimsun> dooglus: see debsums(1)
[10:23] <HiddenFly> what is the backports url for breezy?
[10:23] <jinn> how do i do that
[10:24] <Orborde> SillyCone: No little box with the various possible boot modes or anything?
[10:24] <sanxiyn> dooglus: Release.gpg is a signature for the whole release.
[10:24] <sw__> sanxiyn, -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 8779758 2005-10-13 09:24 /usr/local/lib/libtorrent.so.5.0.0
[10:24] <onkarshinde> SillyCone: By default the options are hidden. If you wait some time it should automatically boot into X.
[10:24] <mustard5> sw__, do you think you need to create a soft link to that library?
[10:24] <SillyCone> Orborde: no, just the grub shell
[10:24] <bjv> HiddenFly: good question,           Err http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy-backports/restricted Sources
[10:24] <dooglus> sanxiyn: ok...  how does it get used?
[10:24] <kemik> !tell jinn about grub
[10:24] <bjv> :((
[10:24] <dooglus> crimsun: thanks
[10:24] <kemik> jinn:  you did get a question about installing grub ?
[10:24] <sw__> mustard5, where should i place it?/how to call it
[10:24] <SillyCone> onkarshinde: it's already been about 15 minutes :)
[10:24] <Orborde> SillyCone: onkarshinde may be right. Try booting up and waiting about 30 seconds once it gets to GRUB (it should auto-boot in 10, usually?)
[10:24] <mustard5> sw__, I'm not sure
[10:24] <onkarshinde> dooglus: apt-get checks the packages for integrity before installing them
[10:25] <airmikey> can someone send me a link to get this dvd to play
[10:25] <airmikey>  ?
[10:25] <johnsie2k> anyone got any good games from the repositiories?
[10:25] <bitbucket> blackjack
[10:25] <NPD> hi
[10:25] <jinn> kemik: yeah i did
[10:25] <dooglus> onkarshinde: it does?  that's good
[10:25] <onkarshinde> SillyCone: Something is messed up. How did the installation go?
[10:25] <wrabbit> aftertaf, typing in gedit /etc/X11.xorg.conf gets me a blank text document
[10:25] <crimsun> bzflag, wesnoth, etc.
[10:25] <Madpilot> johnsie2k: Scorched3d
[10:25] <sw__> mustard5, should i place it in the folder of the app using it?
[10:25] <SillyCone> onkarshinde: I'll reboot it, not press any keys and see if it works
[10:25] <sanxiyn> dooglus: Release.gpg signs Release file. Release file has checksums for Packages file. Packages file has checksums for all packages.
[10:25] <kemik> jinn:  check out the link ubotu gave you. i gtg
[10:25] <johnsie2k> i got netpanzer and thats pretty good
[10:25] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  check the path etc... /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:25] <NPD> short question: does 5.10 have support for ipw2100
[10:25] <da_bon_bon> how does one change the theme of usplash ?
[10:25] <jinn> ok..
[10:25] <mustard5> sw__, i'd say in the directory it is looking
[10:26] <SillyCone> onkarshinde: it went fine, at the end it found my XP and installed grub
[10:26] <selinium> johnsie2k, wesnoth zsnes
[10:26] <dooglus> sanxiyn: ok.  that makes sense
[10:26] <twoknee-> what size should / partition be on a 250 gig drive in ubuntu for high end desktop/low end server, 1 dvd game and a little extra room ?
[10:26] <mustard5> and the link would redirect it
[10:26] <johnsie2k> I'll try wesnoth.. thanks :-0
[10:26] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  my typo error, dude..... crap kb and not paying attention, sorry!!!
[10:26] <sanxiyn> dooglus: APT checks signature with /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.
[10:26] <onkarshinde> dooglus: If you are installing from some extra repos apt-get install will tell you that package is not authenticated. You can add extra repos' signature also.
[10:26] <onkarshinde> SillyCone: What happened after that?
[10:26] <sanxiyn> dooglus: Perhaps you want to check fingerprints of it then.
[10:26] <selinium> johnsie2k, zsnes is a fabulous Super Nintendo emulator, play Mario Zelda...
[10:26] <mustard5> sw__, its not really an area I am very knowledgeable about
[10:27] <NPD> should i download and install it?
[10:27] <dooglus> onkarshinde: when you say "extra", do you mean like "universe" and "multiverse"?
[10:27] <dooglus> onkarshinde: or do you mean unofficial repos?
[10:27] <sw__> mustard5, when i run rtorrent(wich needs libtorrent) i don't know where it looks for the lib :/
[10:27] <sanxiyn> dooglus: trusted.gpg file includes (by default) /usr/share/apt/{debian,ubuntu}-archive.gpg, which is an "archive-signing" key.
[10:27] <crimsun> universe and multiverse are official Ubuntu repositories.
[10:27] <wrabbit> aftertaf, ah.. sorry bout that. http://pastebin.com/392031
[10:27] <SillyCone> onkarshinde: the CD ejected and it said to take the CD out and reboot. I did that, and when it rebooted, it shows the grub shell. And says press tab for avaliable commands
[10:27] <aftertaf> hehe. no pbs, working too ;)
[10:28] <sanxiyn> dooglus: More here: http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/apt-secure/
[10:28] <HiddenFly> anyone here have any idea where would i find drivers for canon pixma ip4200 printer?
[10:28] <twonee> got disconnected
[10:28] <onkarshinde> dooglus: Not sure about those two. May be signatures for them are not added by default. I was talking about breezy-extras or something like that.
[10:28] <twonee> what size should / partition be on a 250 gig drive in ubuntu for high end desktop/low end server, 1 dvd game and a little extra room ?
[10:28] <sw__> mustard5, thx nevertheless, i think i will contact(spam) the developer
[10:28] <onkarshinde> SillyCone: See if you can type command 'dpkg-reconfigure ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop'
[10:28] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  ok....... open the file for editing...
[10:28] <Orborde> twonee: What else do you intend to do with the same drive?
[10:29] <dorto> what is ubuntu's USP? like debian goes for stability, mandrake for latest packages etc
[10:29] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  on each line where you have Modes      "1024x768",     add "800x600"
[10:29] <aftertaf> dorto:  all around coolness ;)
[10:29] <bjv> twonee: my / is 5 gigs, games/large software are installed into 20gb home or 60+ partitions on other drives.
[10:29] <dooglus> sanxiyn: thanks.  that's a useful link
[10:29] <dorto> oh my :)
[10:29] <bjv> 5 is enough for my apt cache, and utils i install from it.
[10:29] <SillyCone> onkarshinde: no, it doesnt work. It's not BASH, its the grub text thingie
[10:30] <basvg> um, why does `maildrop` have `exim` as dependency? I would like to stick to postfix....
[10:30] <NPD> UBUNTU SUCKS
[10:30] <twonee> Orborde, i was thinking of using a dns server to translate my ip to ipv6 and the rest play half life 2 and your typical surfing email and multimedia tasks
[10:30] <NPD> now when i got your attention...
[10:30] <aftertaf> NPD:  how dr?le
[10:30] <sanxiyn> NPD: Then why are you here.
[10:30] <NPD> does 5.10 have support for ipw2100
[10:30] <sw__> dorto, ubuntu goes for sensless backports :p .o(just kidding) - "linux for human beings"
[10:30] <sanxiyn> basvg: maildrop depends on exim *or* mail-transport-agent.
[10:30] <Xanadu> NPD: Yes
[10:30] <SillyCone> onkarshinde: it doesnt even get to booting kernel, it just gets stuch at grub, where the boot menu is supposed to be
[10:31] <SillyCone> stuck*
[10:31] <wrabbit> aftertaf,  just next to all six of them?  ie. "1024x768", "800x600"
[10:31] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  yep :)
[10:31] <crimsun> NPD: yes, the ipw2100 driver is in linux-image
[10:31] <wrabbit> alrighty... will try
[10:31] <eci> i have a problem with nfs
[10:31] <crimsun> NPD: (contains the kernel)
[10:31] <basvg> sanxiyn: well, not really :) I just did a fresh install of breezy and apt-get install maildrop really really REALLY wants exim
[10:31] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  for starters........ then try startx again. what is the error message ?
[10:31] <NPD> thnx, got private reply. I'll download and install 5.10.
[10:31] <eci> im trying to mount remote nfs server which is running in mandrake
[10:31] <NPD> Ubuntu gets me back from Mepis.
[10:31] <damir_> anybody installed 5.10 on amilo a1630?
[10:31] <feral_kid> If someone is running 5.10, can the tell me what version of fwbuilder is available?
[10:32] <NPD> sorry for the rude comment!!! :)
[10:33] <synd> Hey I have a hp scanjet 3970
[10:33] <twonee> i am trying to figure out what a reasonable / partition size is for ubuntu on a 250 gb drive
[10:33] <Xanadu> feral_kid: 2.0.7-1
[10:33] <synd> How can I get it to scan on Breezy?
[10:33] <airmikey> do i need to add repositories...cant get nothin to load
[10:33] <KenSentMe> feral_kid look at http://packages.ubuntu.com
[10:33] <airmikey> for breezy
[10:33] <zoot_> hi, i have all the pkgs to update my breezy preview cd to current breezy and have copied all debs to /var/cache/apt/archives, but synaptic still insists on downloading from the net? how can i force synaptic/apt to look in the cache?
[10:33] <feral_kid> Xanadu: Thanks... I have been waiting for an upgrade for awhile...
[10:33] <Crube> twoknee what do you want to use ubuntu for?
[10:33] <synd> Anyone?
[10:33] <basvg> ahhh, ok, there was no postfix yet
[10:34] <onkarshinde> SillyCone: I am not sure what has happened. I haven't seen such problem with any installation before.
[10:34] <twonee> basically a internet appliance and mulitmedia and a dns server to tranlate my ip into ipv6
[10:34] <lightstar> feral_kid : the version in 5.10 is 2.0.7
[10:34] <Xanadu> synd: there's quite a bit of imaging support for HP built into Breezy. I don't have the same HP scanner but it just worked with XSane
[10:34] <Madpilot> synd: search the wiki for scanners, for starters
[10:34] <SillyCone> onkarshinde: ok, thanks for trying to help
[10:34] <lightstar> Xanadu : oops didnt realize u replied it already
[10:34] <onkarshinde> airmikey: Did you do a clean install?
[10:34] <jinn> can someone help me? i barely installed linux and now i lost my windows xp >_< i'm really new to linux..
[10:34] <Crube> twoknee you can read your files (music, pictures etc) from your windows partition when using ubuntu. 5 gigs is enough to run it
[10:34] <synd> Xanadu: xsane didnt find anything..
[10:35] <synd> Madpilot: Thanks.
[10:35] <twonee> Crube if i install half life 2 on ubuntu what partition would the installation go in ?
[10:35] <zoot_> calling all apt gurus :) how to for apt/synaptic to look in cache?
[10:35] <airmikey> onkarshinde:yes
[10:36] <dorto> what are the chances of connecting my nokia 3660 to the ubuntu breezy using a USB adapter/dongle?
[10:36] <onkarshinde> zoot_: apt-cache search something
[10:36] <Crube> On the ubuntu partition. Get 5 for ubuntu +any games you wanna install on it
[10:36] <dorto> i have but a windows driver for the usb dongle
[10:36] <wrabbit> aftertaf, graphics are working fine.  Still very boggy
[10:36] <twonee> ok thank you
[10:36] <bjv> Apt: Need to get 582MB of archives. :\
[10:36] <onkarshinde> airmikey: You have to enable repos in /etc/apt/sources.list by uncommenting necessary lines. You will need to so 'sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list'
[10:36] <QMario> Today's the day.
[10:37] <zoot_> onkarshinde: no, i mean force it to use pkgs downloaded (from another install) into /var/cache/apt/archives instead of fetching them _again_ from the net
[10:37] <QMario> Hello meng!!! :)
[10:37] <Crube> twoknee do you have experience of linux gaming?
[10:37] <Xanadu> dorto: depends on the dongle, but a lot are supported through the bluez package
[10:37] <QMario> Who is using Ubuntu Breezy right now?
[10:37] <HiddenFly> how can i burn divx files so that i could view them with a non-divx-compatible dvd-player?
[10:37] <Xanadu> QMario: Me :) It rocks
[10:37] <bjv> QMario: im apt-get dist-upgrading to it right now.
[10:37] <lightstar> QMario : i updated myhoary to breezy..:D
[10:37] <dorto> Xanadu: ok, how easy is it to bluez on ububtu? or is it pre-installed?
[10:37] <twonee> no i dont Crube but i saw it on the wiki.  do you have knowledge of /usr partition ?  is it needed ?
[10:37] <wrabbit> I give up.  I hate to say it but win2k was alot smoother.
[10:38] <bjv> has anyone found backports for breezy yet?
[10:38] <meng> is there alternate BT trackers for ubuntu breezy?
[10:38] <crimsun> dorto: preinstalled.
[10:38] <bjv> wrabbit: you dont own win2k, and you cant control it.
[10:38] <bjv> who cares if it is smoother?
[10:38] <dorto> ok, thx
[10:38] <QMario> Good night everyone!!! :)
[10:38] <Xanadu> dorto: pre-installed on Breezy, on Hoary just search for bluez in synaptic and install them
[10:38] <onkarshinde> zoot_: It will automatically use downloaded packages if they are right for your install. If it is dwnloading again that means it is expecting different packages. If you still want to install some different version from the expected then do something like 'sudo apt-get install package=versionnumber'
[10:38] <dorto> ok - thx
[10:38] <Crube> twoknee you will have a difficult time if you've never played on ubuntu. You will need to get a program to use directx
[10:38] <tristanmike> bjv, to my understanding there are no backports for breezy yet
[10:39] <twonee> Crube yes i know
[10:39] <bjv> tristanmike: right. so we just chill?
[10:39] <wrabbit> bjv, I can't control ubuntu either.  Took me 3 hours last night to get the damn wireless card working.  win2k is just faster all round on a 700mhz laptop
[10:39] <zoot_> onkarshinde: thx
[10:39] <jinn> lightstar: you there?
[10:39] <Madpilot> bjv: no backports until later in the next version gets started up
[10:39] <lightstar> jinn : yes
[10:39] <Crube> twonee then you should be ok if you have your graphic card working.
[10:39] <sanxiyn> meng: BT tracker?
[10:39] <tristanmike> bjv, that could be totally unfounded, but if that's the case, then yes, I'd think we "just chill" what are you looking for?
[10:39] <bjv> wrabbit: linux is sitting right on your disk in plain text, with pages upon pages of help available.
[10:39] <meng> sanxiyn: yes
[10:39] <bjv> wrabbit: win2k is locked down.
[10:39] <jinn> lightstar: do you know how i can fix this problem? >_<
[10:39] <twonee> Crube or anyone.  can anyone shed some light on partition size for /usr partition ?  is it necessary ?
[10:39] <bjv> wrabbit: and costs hundreds of dollars. :P
[10:40] <Crube> twoknee I dont think it is couse I've never heard of it :D
[10:40] <marlijs> I have blue lines crossing my image when I use HP Scanjet 5370c? What is solution?
[10:40] <Knikker> Hi! Do i need to reeinstall? I installed breezy rc the otherr day....
[10:40] <twonee> the /usr ?
[10:40] <sanxiyn> Knikker: No, you don't.
[10:40] <Xanadu> twonee it's not necessary to have a seperate /usr partition
[10:40] <bjv> wrabbit: though for what it is worth im running a win2k server in the other room.
[10:40] <chaumurky> nope
[10:40] <Knikker> THanks
[10:40] <twonee> ok
[10:40] <twonee> thank you
[10:40] <lightstar> jinn : did the linux installation complete (i assume you're using breezy)
[10:40] <bjv> because the windows only hardware was cheap. :P
[10:40] <tristanmike> twonee, you should just automatically let the installer create the sized
[10:40] <zcat[1] > You don't need to make a /usr, it'll just become part of / ..
[10:40] <jinn> yeah it installed completely
[10:40] <Knikker> HTkanks sanxiyn
[10:40] <wrabbit> wrabbit, I have winxp and ubuntu dual booting on my desktop.  I just installed ubuntu on the lappy because I was told that it'd run alot better.
[10:40] <wrabbit> arg
[10:41] <jinn> lightstar: i installed it completely, i just didnt download updates
[10:41] <wrabbit> bjv, I have winxp and ubuntu dual booting on my desktop.  I just installed ubuntu on the lappy because I was told that it'd run alot better.
[10:41] <bjv> wrabbit: windows 2000 can run very smoothly.
[10:41] <jinn> lightstar: i figured i didnt really need them, but how can i fix my grub? >_< cuz it's not booting my windows xp
[10:41] <lightstar> jinn : during the partition creation, did u let ubuntu create the partition automatically or did u create the partition yourself?
[10:41] <bjv> wrabbit: on very old hardware.   though id bet a 2.6 kernel + xserv + lwm   would be smooth-er. :P
[10:41] <wrabbit> bjv, it did when I first bought laptop.  I changed it because I thought it'd be a bit quicker
[10:42] <wrabbit> boy, was I wrong
[10:42] <bjv> but that would be a custom OS, you could probably start with slack for a distro.
[10:42] <jinn> lightstar: i let it "automatically" create it, and it's installed on a different partition from the one xp is installed in
[10:42] <bjv> ubuntu isnt supposed to be real fast. it's supposed to me "modern"
[10:42] <synd> GRRR
[10:42] <Crube> The new ubuntu is real fast :P
[10:42] <lightstar> jinn : jinn : u saw the windows partition after that rite?
[10:42] <synd> Sane says it doesnt support my scanner.
[10:43] <wrabbit> Crube, wrong!
[10:43] <wrabbit> hee
[10:43] <synd> GAH.
[10:43] <onkarshinde> Crube: What is your configuration? RAM?
[10:43] <jinn> lightstar: it comes out on the loading menu, but when i select it, it won't load..
[10:43] <bjv> wrabbit: to be honest, it isnt ubuntu. it's Gnome.
[10:43] <wrabbit> Not on a 700mhz laptop with 256mb ram
[10:43] <dooglus> sanxiyn: I've tried tamparing with a .deb file and updating the checksums to match, but apt-get fails to install it still.  that's what it should do, I guess, but I can't see how it can tell...
[10:43] <Crube> onkarshinde on the computer ubuntu is installed. 450mhz 64mbram 6.5gig hd
[10:43] <wrabbit> bjv, That's what I thought.  There has to be a way to tweak
[10:43] <lightstar> jinn : ahh..does it give any message as to why it cannot boot?
[10:43] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  im on a 500mhz with 256 ram. and its smooth as.... :)
[10:43] <jinn> lightstar: no, it just freezes..
[10:43] <dooglus> sanxiyn: is each package signed?  or is it just the checksum in the Packages list that gives me away?
[10:44] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  what is your processor?
[10:44] <bjv> wrabbit: run     top           in a term
[10:44] <onkarshinde> Crube: he he. I thought 128MB RAM and 1.6 GHz was not sufficient
[10:44] <bjv> and start killing shit.
[10:44] <bjv> :p
[10:44] <sanxiyn> dooglus: Checksum in the Packages list.
[10:44] <SillyCone> I have just passed the first stage of installation of breezy and after I reboot, I see a text-mode grub prompt. What should I do?
[10:44] <wrabbit> aftertaf, it's a 700mhz.  Intel I guess
[10:44] <wrabbit> bjv, ?
[10:44] <basvg> SillyCone: did you make sure that your root partition is bootable ..?
[10:44] <tristanmike> SillyCone, pick Ubuntu
[10:45] <lightstar> jinn : hmm...strange
[10:45] <onkarshinde> Does anyone think that cairo in GNOME 2.12.1 has improved performance of GNOME?
[10:45] <marlijs> I have blue lines crossing my image when I use HP Scanjet 5370c? What is solution?
[10:45] <basvg> SillyCone: I'm also doing a fresh install atm, it's somewhere in the first stage that yo ucan configure it
[10:45] <jinn> lightstar: that's what i've been wondering.. >_<
[10:45] <Crube> onkarshinde Well KDE is slower than GNOME. It's better looking but slower. Changing from kde to gnome really improved the performance
[10:45] <aftertaf> you guess?   :/  pIII?   install the linux-686 package, kernel for PII/III/IV
[10:45] <wrabbit> Maybe Debian 'Sarge might run a little better
[10:45] <dooglus> sanxiyn: so the key is only used when verifying the Release.gpg signature?  and that Release.gpg file changes whenever the repository has any package updated?
[10:45] <HiddenWolf> onkarshinde, not at this piont
[10:45] <jinn> lightstar: nevermind.. i'll just get rid of it =\
[10:45] <wrabbit> yeah.. PIII
[10:45] <sanxiyn> dooglus: Exactly. That's the current situation.
[10:45] <wrabbit> sorry aftertaf ..
[10:45] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  as a new user, dont approach sarge
[10:45] <HiddenWolf> onkarshinde, cairo still isn't _fully_ optimised
[10:45] <jinn> lightstar: thanx for the help anyways
[10:45] <basvg> afk, lecture..
[10:45] <wrabbit> ah, alrighty.  It's sitting right next to me
[10:45] <lightstar> jinn : i m not sure coz i don't dual boot but u could try accesing the win partition frm ur linux to c if it still has ur info
[10:45] <sanxiyn> dooglus: Also, because of this, unofficial repositories need to provide signature file too.
[10:46] <jinn> k
[10:46] <dooglus> sanxiyn: was Release.gpg updated with every upload during the development of breezy?
[10:46] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  no pbs, but you will get frustrated. try to bear in mind linux is a journey
[10:46] <lightstar> jinn : then u can try 2 reinstall xp or some ohter approach
[10:46] <sanxiyn> dooglus: Yes.
[10:46] <onkarshinde> Is there anyone from India who can ship me Breezy CD for less that Rs. 100?
[10:46] <sanxiyn> dooglus: (By daily cron run. There's script to update the archive.)
[10:46] <wrabbit> aftertaf, so it runs smooth on your 500mhz notebook?  Is that even possible?  You're running gnome?
[10:46] <SillyCone> basvg: i mad the /boot partition bootable
[10:46] <lcore> where is gnome-terminal profiles info stored?
[10:46] <jareth_> i need help upgrading "hoary" to "breezy"
[10:46] <dorto> there is only one ubuntu breezy cd to download and start installation from? how to install more packages? through internet only?
[10:46] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  kde... and/or e17
[10:46] <onkarshinde> jareth_: what help?
[10:46] <aftertaf> !breezy
[10:46] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[10:46] <jinn> lightstar: ok, thanx =\
[10:46] <wrabbit> hmm
[10:46] <onkarshinde> dorto: Yup
[10:46] <dooglus> sanxiyn: a daily cron run wouldn't be enough, would it?  If it's not up to date, the uploaded packages won't install?
[10:46] <jareth_> i need to change my repositories
[10:47] <jareth_> ?
[10:47] <aftertaf> jareth_:  see link ^^^^^^
[10:47] <aftertaf> yes
[10:47] <lightstar> jinn : no prob...
[10:47] <wrabbit> maybe I should change to kde.. is there an easy way to do that?
[10:47] <jareth_> what link?
[10:47] <HiddenWolf> wrabbit, kde is just as heavy
[10:47] <sanxiyn> dooglus: Well, it doesn't work that way. Package upload is *not* immediately available for download.
[10:47] <onkarshinde> jareth_: Read this
[10:47] <onkarshinde> !breezy
[10:47] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[10:47] <wrabbit> However, I did just do the default install.  Maybe I need to kill a few processes etc
[10:47] <HiddenWolf> jareth_, but you can stall kubuntu-desktop for kde
[10:47] <wrabbit> Maybe things are just bogging it down
[10:47] <Chousuke> wrabbit: try xfce4
[10:47] <dooglus> sanxiyn: what I mean is there is usually more than one set of uploads per day, and they all install independantly of each other
[10:47] <jareth_> i don't have kde installed
[10:48] <Severian> Does anyone here have an informed prediction on when xubuntu will be out?
[10:48] <jareth_> is it likely to break things when upgrading?
[10:48] <sanxiyn> dooglus: Well, I don't know every details.
[10:48] <onkarshinde> jareth_: No
[10:48] <dooglus> sanxiyn: I can upgrade at 6pm and get a bunch of stuff come down and get installed.  then if I check again 3 hours later there's sometimes a bunch more stuff.  that wouldn't happen if the Package.gpg file wasn't updated, would it?
[10:48] <crimsun> Severian: it'll be out April 2006
[10:48] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  HiddenWolf kde works better than gnome on this pc......
[10:48] <dorto> what about those who are on dial-up connections? any image set like ISO files available from somewhere?
[10:48] <onkarshinde> Severian: What is xubuntu?
[10:48] <NPD> whoaa... i'm downloading 5.10 at the moment....
[10:48] <HiddenWolf> aftertaf, I prefer xfce on slow pc's
[10:48] <dooglus> sanxiyn: I'm just trying to understand things.  Sorry if I sound confrontational.  :)
[10:48] <crimsun> onkarshinde: Xfce on Ubuntu
[10:48] <NPD> 2 hours remaining
[10:48] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  checklist: instal linux-686 kernel package,   make sure you enabled some swap.....
[10:48] <Severian> Ubuntu based on xfce desktop = xubuntu
[10:49] <jareth_> thanks a lot.. need to do some reading :)
[10:49] <wrabbit> HiddenWolf, is there an easy way for a newbie to swap over
[10:49] <Chousuke> w00t.
[10:49] <onkarshinde> HiddenWolf: How do you define slow PC?
[10:49] <Chousuke> xubuntu would own
[10:49] <Chousuke> seriously.
[10:49] <wrabbit> aftertaf, There's 300mb swap partition
[10:49] <aftertaf> mine aint slow. it works real good with kde 3.5
[10:49] <crimsun> Chousuke: you can already install xubuntu-desktop in Breezy
[10:49] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  good :)
[10:49] <wrabbit> aftertaf, Installed 430 updates last night
[10:49] <HiddenWolf> onkarshinde, 300mhz laptop with 64mb ram runnig snappy on xfce
[10:49] <wrabbit> lol
[10:49] <HiddenWolf> wrabbit, swap to what?
[10:49] <lcore> where is gnome-terminal profiles info stored?
[10:49] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  hehe breezy :)    get the 686 package
[10:49] <onkarshinde> Severian: If you really want some XFCE based distro why don;t you try morphix?
[10:49] <aftertaf> HiddenFly:  that is slow, imho :)
[10:49] <onkarshinde> HiddenWolf: Thanks
[10:49] <HiddenWolf> onkarshinde, because ubuntu is just as good?
[10:49] <Chousuke> crimsun: cool.
[10:49] <wrabbit> HiddenFly, gnome to xfce4
[10:50] <feral_kid> After the upgrade of the 435 packages of the 5.10 upgrade, does it take a long while to complete the upgrade process?
[10:50] <dooglus> I noticed that when I tried tampering with a .deb file in the archive directory, the .deb file got silently deleted when I tried to install it
[10:50] <HiddenWolf> feral_kid, yes, that can take a while
[10:50] <HiddenFly> aftertaf: wrabbit please watch your hilights :)
[10:50] <Chousuke> are there any problems with upgrading hoary to breezy at the moment?
[10:50] <HiddenWolf> feral_kid, first it downloads, then it unpacks, then configures all the packages.
[10:50] <Chousuke> I might upgrade the family machine.
[10:50] <HiddenFly> Chousuke: i just upgraded mine without problems
[10:50] <wrabbit> HiddenWolf, Oh sorry :) From gnome to xfce4
[10:50] <HiddenWolf> Chousuke, _shouldn't_ be.
[10:51] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  install the optimised kernel package and suggested modules.
[10:51] <wrabbit> sorry bout that HiddenFly :P
[10:51] <Chousuke> yeah :)
[10:51] <HiddenWolf> wrabbit, apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[10:51] <aftertaf> sorry HiddenFly ....
[10:51] <wrabbit> aftertaf, I think I already have
[10:51] <Severian> oncarshinde, I like feather or dsl  for small distros.  But, combining Ubuntu qualities with a light desktop would be great for some older laptops I have.
[10:51] <bettong_BOFH> !repos
[10:51] <ubotu> somebody said sources was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[10:51] <chapeaurouge> hi all... how is the upgrade from hoary to breezy? smooth?
[10:51] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  dont try 500 things at once, either ;)   type uname -a
[10:52] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  thatll tell you which kernel youre on
[10:52] <onkarshinde> HiddenWolf: There is no such thing as xubuntu-desktop
[10:52] <HiddenWolf> onkarshinde, is on breezy. :)
[10:52] <aftertaf> !info xubuntu
[10:52] <wrabbit> aftertaf, Linux ubuntu 2.6.12-9-386 #1 Mon Oct 10 13:14:36 BST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:52] <HiddenWolf> onkarshinde, universe tho
[10:52] <wrabbit> :O
[10:52] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  386!
[10:52] <onkarshinde> HiddenWolf: Ok. I was checking hoary
[10:52] <HiddenWolf> onkarshinde, apt-get install xfce4
[10:52] <wrabbit> aftertaf, :|
[10:53] <cycykewl> bonjour
[10:53] <cycykewl> breezy est sorti ?
[10:53] <HiddenWolf> right. :)
[10:53] <jaydeguia> i would like to ask on how to install fonts
[10:53] <chapeaurouge> cycykewl, oui.
[10:53] <cycykewl> depuis aujourd'hui ?
[10:53] <chapeaurouge> oui
[10:53] <cycykewl> en stable :)
[10:53] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  sudo apt-get install  linux-686
[10:53] <aftertaf> cycykewl:  english stp....
[10:54] <opa> hello all, just installed ubuntu and my computer FREEZES just after i log in ,does anyone know anything about it???
[10:54] <tristanmike> jaydeguia, you can "sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts"
[10:54] <onkarshinde> jaydeguia: Type fonts:/// in nautilus (file browser). Adding to this filder should work.
[10:54] <cycykewl> sorry aftertaf
[10:54] <wrabbit> aftertaf, should I be saying yes to the questions?
[10:54] <jaydeguia> ok ill try
[10:54] <wrabbit> done
[10:54] <wrabbit> lol
[10:54] <aftertaf> cycykewl:  no pbs (but ppl from all over the world) mais m'en fout grave moi :D
[10:54] <wrabbit> aftertaf, Says it'll take 40 minutes
[10:54] <wrabbit> hehe
[10:55] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  ok.   if you have enough diskspace, you can install kde. that way, test both
[10:55] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  hehe :D
[10:55] <wrabbit> aftertaf, So this'll upgrade the kernel?
[10:55] <HiddenWolf> opa, freezes when?
[10:55] <kevor> Hi, i'm getting this error when logging in: The configuration file contains an invalid command for the login dialog, so running the default command. Please fix your configuration.
[10:55] <wrabbit> aftertaf, Would that have any affect on the boggyness?
[10:55] <kevor> then i'm getting the GTK greeter (the ugly one)
[10:55] <cycykewl> aftertaf, do U have procedure to upgrade my ubuntu ?
[10:56] <Chousuke> I wonder how long it'll take to upgrade to breezy with a 256 connectio :P
[10:56] <Chousuke> +n
[10:56] <HiddenWolf> Chousuke, quite long, I'd imagine
[10:56] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  itll make the whole thing smoother, cos kernel optimised for your processor.
[10:56] <Chousuke> HiddenWolf: Yeah.
[10:56] <kYotiK> aptitude dist-upgrade is working with the breezy 5.10 prv isnt it?
[10:56] <onkarshinde> Chousuke: Quite long
[10:56] <wrabbit> aftertaf, interesting.  Well, I'll see how that goes then :) Thanks for the help
[10:56] <Chousuke> Dad wanted to save money so he downgraded the family connection.
[10:56] <aftertaf> cycykewl:  change 'hoary' to 'breezy' in your sources.list, then usual apt stuff... tu t'y connais?
[10:56] <Chousuke> from 2M
[10:56] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  no pbs.
[10:56] <Chousuke> but at least it's not my problem.
[10:57] <onkarshinde> kYotiK: Can you rephrase question?
[10:57] <aftertaf> Chousuke:  :/
[10:57] <cycykewl> mmm ok
[10:57] <cycykewl> thx
[10:57] <wrabbit> aftertaf, I'll let you know how it goes in 40 minutes.  I'm off to eat dinner
[10:57] <aftertaf> lol wrabbit ok.
[10:57] <wrabbit> cheers all.  I'll be back in a bit
[10:57] <airmikey> i need flash plugin for 64 bit firefox
[10:58] <Flash> hi all
[10:58] <ratboy> hi there
[10:58] <Chousuke> Why does dist-upgrade want to remove ubuntu-desktop?
[10:58] <Chousuke> and mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[10:58] <Flash> gnome and gdm are not accepting my passwords
[10:58] <HiddenWolf> Chousuke, that is odd, don't dist-upgrade if it does that
[10:58] <Flash> I can login in the console however
[10:58] <Flash> its a clean 5.10 install
[10:59] <GNAM> I cannot wait for DVDs
[10:59] <HiddenWolf> Chousuke, are you using a mirror?
[10:59] <HiddenWolf> GNAM, coming up
[10:59] <GNAM> ok
[10:59] <HiddenWolf> GNAM, should've hit the server already, in fact
[10:59] <aftertaf> Flash:  caps/numlock?
[11:00] <HiddenWolf> GNAM, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/5.10/release/
[11:00] <Flash> nope aftertaf
[11:00] <Flash> I can login to the console
[11:00] <Flash> if I switch with ctrlaltf1
[11:00] <Flash> I already had the problem right after install
[11:00] <Jeromee> anyone know when Ubuntu is going to ship out CD's?
[11:00] <Flash> that all the gnome 'admin' packages were not working
[11:00] <Flash> gnome asked for a root pass when opening
[11:00] <aftertaf> Flash:  strange... gnome/ kde?      remove home/flash/.ICEauthority
[11:00] <Flash> I didnt have one
[11:00] <Chousuke> HiddenWolf: yes.
[11:00] <Chousuke> but hm
[11:01] <onkarshinde> Jeromee: I suppose Shipit has started for breezy
[11:01] <HiddenWolf> Chousuke, it might not be fully updated
[11:01] <Flash> I can try that
[11:01] <Chousuke> I think I know why.
[11:01] <kYotiK> onkarshinde: i meant if i have 5.10 breezy preview release, and i have done the aptitude dist-upgrade yesterday and day before getting the latest breezy in those repos... i should have 5.10 final right? or has the repos not pushed breezy out yet?
[11:01] <aftertaf> Flash:  weird that.... how did you run X?   gdm autorun, or sudo startx?
[11:01] <Flash> I can get into gnome now
[11:01] <Chousuke> it depends on some new packages that will be installed.
[11:01] <Flash> gdm autorun
[11:01] <Flash> the ubuntu default
[11:01] <HiddenWolf> onkarshinde, it stopped sending out hoary  a while ago, and will soon start shipping breezy, you can still place orders
[11:01] <aftertaf> ok.   and you can get in now?   what did you do to make it work?
[11:02] <luckeyman> anyone know how to get an account for http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl ?
[11:02] <Chousuke> Hmm, I have an idea.
[11:02] <Flash> I restarted gdm from the console
[11:02] <Chousuke> I'll use -d
[11:02] <Flash> after which it accepted my pw
[11:02] <onkarshinde> kYotiK: Repos have breezy as soon as it was released. You can one try dist-upgrade
[11:02] <Chousuke> that way it will only download new packages.
[11:02] <Flash> I still cant use any of the admin tools however
[11:02] <tg_> hi... i'm brand new to ubuntu and linux... the install was painless, but my soundcard doesnt seem to configured properly (rhythmbox and xmms complain)... where should i start?
[11:02] <Flash> only when I open a terminal
[11:02] <johnsie2k> how do I change which program mozilla uses for embededded RM vidoes
[11:02] <johnsie2k> ?
[11:03] <Flash> become root
[11:03] <Flash> and start the program by hand
[11:03] <kYotiK> onkarshinde, i one, did that, and i didnt know that if it would be considered a dist-upgrade since i was already using 5.10.........
[11:03] <onkarshinde> kYotiK: I mean try apt-get update first and then apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:03] <aftertaf> Flash:  hmm. ok. if you open a terminal, does sudo [command]  work?
[11:03] <HiddenWolf> Chousuke, regular dist-upgrade should work.
[11:03] <Chousuke> HiddenWolf: yes, yes.
[11:03] <Chousuke> but I'll only download the packages.
[11:03] <jareth_> guys, thanks! updating right now!
[11:03] <Flash> aftertaf: yes that is how I set a root password
[11:03] <Chousuke> I'll install them later.
[11:03] <onkarshinde> kYotiK: Doesn't matter what it is considered, it will serve the job.
[11:03] <Chousuke> though...
[11:03] <aftertaf> Flash:  ok. cool.    but try to remain user and sudo as much as possible......
[11:04] <Flash> so 'sudo time-admin' works to
[11:04] <Flash> but only from console
[11:04] <Chousuke> 0% [2 libc6-dev 2210595/2791kB 79%]                             18,3kB/s 9h5m23s :P
[11:04] <Flash> not the link in the gnome menu
[11:04] <aftertaf> Flash:  gksu buggy?
[11:04] <Flash> I think so
[11:04] <Flash> im not a regulair gnome user
[11:04] <Flash> more into kde
[11:04] <Flash> but I thought id give it a chance
[11:04] <feral_kid> While I was using knoppix, I was able to download and utilize the nvidia driver for my laptop... Is that still possible with ubuntu 5.10?
[11:04] <Flash> and installed ubuntu
[11:04] <aftertaf> a clean 5.10 install?   a breezy ISO?
[11:05] <aftertaf> Flash:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:05] <aftertaf> :D
[11:05] <aftertaf> i avoid gnome for the same reasons you are having pbs with.
[11:05] <aftertaf> (if that made any sense)
[11:05] <Flash> aftertaf: yeah completely clean from the install cds
[11:05] <kYotiK> onkarshinde:  i used redhat /fedora previous to ubuntu.. actually i used rehat since version 2... and dist-upgrade is well known to break fedora / redhat so i have always stayed away from that, and just upgraded via cd.....  but now it must work pretty damn good with debian based distros!  this day is one i have waited for, for a while actually. it was gonna be the final thing that made me want to keep ubuntu.. i started with 5.10 preview bt
[11:05] <kYotiK> w.. havent even considered going back to redhat unless it broke today doing distupgrade.. cant tell a diff so im keeping ubuntu probably for good !
[11:05] <Flash> aftertaf: dont you think this is weird
[11:06] <Flash> im surely not the only one with this problem
[11:06] <mirak> aftertaf: which kind of problems ?
[11:06] <Flash> passwords not being accepted
[11:06] <Flash> in gnome
[11:06] <Flash> gtksu and gdm
[11:06] <aftertaf> Flash:  mirak : gnome just Not Working (tm)  - icons & shortcuts going nowhere ec.
[11:06] <aftertaf> since 2.6 :/
[11:06] <aftertaf> or even 2.2
[11:07] <Crube> Odd. I've had no problems with it
[11:07] <mirak> aftertaf: with a clean install ?
[11:07] <Doktoreas> hi guys
[11:07] <Flash> this is the first time in 3 years im using gnome
[11:07] <aftertaf> Crube:  a lot of people dont have any pbs and thats a GOOD thing.
[11:07] <Doktoreas> are there dvd of breezy?
[11:07] <kYotiK> Flash: what did you use
[11:07] <Flash> mirak: Ive got a clean install now
[11:07] <mirak> aftertaf: problem I had was with the gnome-panel that was crashing, but it's fixed now
[11:07] <mirak> Flash: and you still have problems ???
[11:07] <Flash> yeah
[11:07] <Flash> I only installed ubuntu yesterday
[11:07] <Flash> tried to set some options
[11:07] <Flash> like my network
[11:07] <mirak> Flash: did you kept the same /home ?
[11:07] <aftertaf> mirak:  been put off gnome too much in the past to go back. and i prefer kde & e17 :)
[11:08] <Flash> nope mirak
[11:08] <Flash> I went from WinXP on my laptop to ubuntu
[11:08] <Flash> so no old data
[11:08] <Flash> I completely formatted the hd
[11:08] <mirak> aftertaf: e17 I have installed, but when will it be finished ? :D
[11:08] <kYotiK> i hate enlightenment
[11:08] <phiqtion> Doktoreas, Breezy isn't available as DVD because it's only 1 CD.
[11:08] <aftertaf> :D mirak
[11:08] <mirak> Flash: whaat FS do you use ?
[11:08] <aftertaf> !start a desktop war
[11:08] <ubotu> e is much better than kde!
[11:08] <Flash> actually
[11:08] <aftertaf> loool
[11:08] <Flash> I have no clue
[11:08] <Flash> I let ubuntu configure teh shit
[11:08] <Flash> but gimme a mom
[11:08] <kYotiK> kde nor e satisfy me
[11:09] <Flash> fstab says ext3
[11:09] <kYotiK> kde is too Window'ish
[11:09] <ratboy> yup
[11:09] <kYotiK> enlightenment is too plain......
[11:09] <aftertaf> kYotiK:  dont troll.....
[11:09] <mirak> KyoPC: and Gnome is not enough OSXish
[11:09] <ratboy> comes from os X and loves gnome
[11:10] <ratboy> even if there is huge room for improvment :)
[11:10] <zcat[1] > how do you make gnome look like osx?
[11:10] <mirak> ratboy: OS X is stil far away
[11:10] <kYotiK> OSX'ish?  who wants OSX'ish ? why dont you just use OSX if you like OSX?
[11:10] <ratboy> second kyotish
[11:10] <Flash> lemme update this ubuntu
[11:10] <aftertaf> offtopic please......; )
[11:10] <mirak> KyoPC: because I can't afford a 3000 mac
[11:10] <Flash> maybe theres some updated packages
[11:10] <ratboy> find os X theme stupid & ugly
[11:10] <mirak> KyoPC: I use it on mac though since I have a G3 and a G4
[11:11] <kYotiK> aftertaf, are you saying we have to be talking about something to do with the topic?
[11:11] <ratboy> 3000 euros ???
[11:11] <mirak> 400mhz KyoPC
[11:11] <ratboy> what mac do u look for :)
[11:11] <mirak> ratboy: a dual G5 2,5ghz
[11:11] <Flash> mac-mini 700 euro
[11:11] <mirak> my neibourg got one
[11:11] <aftertaf> kYotiK:  im saying discussions like this are better to be in #ubunt-offtopic, to keep the chan clear for ppl needing help.
[11:11] <onkarshinde> mirak: Why do you want to use something you can't afford? Why don't want to use something you can afford for your lifetime?
[11:11] <aftertaf> kYotiK:  even if i started the discussion ;)
[11:11] <ratboy> find a dual 2 ghz at 1300 euros (not a new one though)
[11:12] <kYotiK> aftertaf, i understand that but there isnt anyone really asking for help now except flash
[11:12] <zerokarmaleft> c'mon bittorrent seeders...
[11:12] <ratboy> well sorry for that mac talk
[11:12] <Flash> I enabled some reps in sources.list now
[11:12] <Flash> trying to update
[11:12] <mirak> onkarshinde: that's why I said I think the default of Gnome is to not be like OS X enough :D
[11:12] <Flash> erm
[11:12] <kYotiK> and flash is pretty much talking about something none of us have experienced... so i dunno.. we gotta do something to stay away from idle :D
[11:12] <Flash> ye there is :P
[11:12] <mirak> onkarshinde: flaw/default
[11:13] <aftertaf> Flash:  cool. get em and see.... :)
[11:13] <Flash> 192 new packages
[11:13] <Flash> gimme an hour ye
[11:13] <kYotiK> Flash, are you using hoary or breezy?
[11:13] <Flash> aarch
[11:13] <Flash> breezy 5.10
[11:13] <Flash> gnome again
[11:13] <Flash> enter password
[11:13] <Flash> password not accepted
[11:13] <onkarshinde> mirak: It is same as saying that windows is not like linux enough or vice-versa
[11:14] <Flash> there we go
[11:14] <kYotiK> hmm thats weird..  did you just download the final and the gnome messed up like that?
[11:14] <aftertaf> Flash:  d/led yesterday != stable version.......  sudo apt-get  in console
[11:14] <mirak> KyoPC: what is lacking for me in Gnome is expos, a true mounting of ISOs through GUI
[11:14] <Flash> aftertaf: im updating now :)
[11:14] <aftertaf> kYotiK:  not the final final..... got it yesterday so couple of days behind.....
[11:14] <mirak> onkarshinde: no it's similar to saying KDE is to Windowish
[11:14] <kYotiK> Flash:   sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[11:14] <mirak> :D
[11:14] <aftertaf> Flash:  ok cool :)
[11:14] <Flash> it said on the website it was the stable
[11:14] <kYotiK> aftertaf: i havent had any updates since the am of yesterday though...
[11:15] <Flash> 'the latest stable version'
[11:15] <Flash> actually
[11:15] <Flash> it was this night
[11:15] <Flash> about 10 hours ago
[11:15] <mirak> onkarshinde: that's not a secret that Gnome copies OS X
[11:15] <kYotiK> Flash: that would be hoary if you got it yesterday
[11:15] <aftertaf> Flash:  in any case, updates may help.
[11:15] <mustard5> that would be breezy today, but hoary yesterday
[11:15] <Flash> 5.10
[11:15] <kYotiK> Flash   cat /etc/*release*
[11:15] <aftertaf> osx is a copy of gnome anyway, bsd based.
[11:15] <Flash> 5.10
[11:16] <Flash> breezy
[11:16] <onkarshinde> mirak: Gnome is earth and Aqua is water. none is copy of another.
[11:16] <ratboy> gnome copies os X ?
[11:16] <mustard5> is the 5.10 release candidate, Flash ?
[11:16] <Flash> ye
[11:16] <Davey> 775MB
[11:16] <mirak> aftertaf: don't know which one copied first. Sometime ago I couldn't use Gnome and prefered KDE. Now it's kind of the opposite
[11:16] <Flash> no
[11:16] <ratboy> really don't think so
[11:16] <samu2> Ok, so seems breezy is out now. So the official way to upgrade from hoary is to manually edit your repositories and then apt-get dist-upgrade?
[11:16] <Flash> it doesnt say anything about rcs
[11:16] <mustard5> yk
[11:16] <Flash> DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
[11:16] <mirak> onkarshinde: isn't a Gnome like a kind of little troll ? :D
[11:16] <mustard5> yk
[11:16] <mustard5> doh..keep typing y first
[11:16] <Flash> DISTRIB_RELEASE=5.10
[11:16] <mustard5> too much counterstrike
[11:16] <Flash> DISTRIB_CODENAME=breezy
[11:16] <Flash> etc.
[11:17] <Flash> like I said
[11:17] <kYotiK> hmm
[11:17] <Flash> I got it 10 hours ago
[11:17] <Flash> maybe the final was just released
[11:17] <kYotiK> and you have 192 updates already?
[11:17] <Flash> yeah
[11:17] <Flash> lolz
[11:17] <kYotiK> no the final wasnt released
[11:17] <aftertaf> sounds more like windows..... :)
[11:17] <kYotiK> i havent had any updates since yesterday...
[11:17] <kYotiK> actually i bet i know what it is
[11:17] <mirak> Is it possible to have samba share appearing on gnome file choosers ?
[11:17] <Flash> damn slow download
[11:17] <Flash> lets find some local mirrors later
[11:17] <ECMN> hello guys
[11:17] <mustard5> so what is the deal with release candidate installs how do they upgrade or do they?
[11:18] <ECMN> im back
[11:18] <kYotiK> i bet the ISO images were from tuesday night..  and the mirrors were updated on wednesday...
[11:18] <onkarshinde> mirak: Try Places->Connect to server and mount a samba share.
[11:18] <mustard5> do you you just update?
[11:18] <Flash> kYotiK: its thursday here now :)
[11:18] <enyc> flas: thats becausej breezy has just been released
[11:18] <kYotiK> here too
[11:18] <Flash> yesterday for me is wednesday
[11:18] <ECMN> anybody know how to set-up the mysql 5 binary in ubuntu?
[11:18] <kYotiK> but i have 5.10 too and and in USA so...
[11:18] <onkarshinde> Flash: Foe me the same.
[11:19] <ECMN> if somebody knew pls share it to me
[11:19] <xukun> can I upgrade to breezy?
[11:19] <ECMN> thanks
[11:19] <mirak> onkarshinde: hum, well it appears in the places location, but then I would like to be able to "save as" something in the samba folder directly. I am not sure it's possible without doing a real mount yet
[11:19] <vengeful> name me some ftp clients guys
[11:19] <Flash> KyoPC: dont know why ive got 192 updates
[11:19] <Flash> but its fine with me
[11:19] <Flash> if this solves the problems
[11:19] <kYotiK> ECMN,  not familiar with that binary in particular, but if its not in the repos, then you probably need to chmod +x mysqlfilename  &&./mysqlfilename
[11:19] <samu2> vengeful, gftp
[11:20] <vengeful> yeh another..doesnt have many options
[11:20] <ECMN> oic tnx
[11:20] <ECMN> by the way how many cd ubuntu has? i just got ubuntu from my teacher
[11:21] <Cicakman> hello
[11:21] <ECMN> i want to install some packages but they cannot be found
[11:21] <Ng> ECMN: the install is one disc
[11:21] <Cicakman> i'm using xmms to listen to online streaming radio.... is it possible to save that streaming radio to my harddrive?
[11:21] <onkarshinde> ECMN: What packages?
[11:21] <stania> hmmm
[11:21] <kYotiK> Flash: what i am saying is that the final ISO images may have been posted to the website before they actually pushed some more development through.. this happens sometimes with communication probs with the development team and the web admins...   i dont know if that was the problem iin your case or not.. but it may have been..  i havent had no problems with ubuntu 5.10 previous to any of that though.. my gnome has been working in 5.10 for at
[11:21] <kYotiK>  least a month now.. so i really dont know what your bug is.. its just weird
[11:22] <ECMN> the xchm, php, and mysql
[11:22] <onkarshinde> Cicakman: Yes it is possible. Choose disk writer plugin in output plugins. But it saves as wav file whicl will be quite large
[11:22] <Flash> I understand
[11:22] <Ng> Cicakman: you might well be able to use its diskwriter output plugin, although that might mean you couldn't listen at the same time
[11:22] <Flash> I stopped the update btw
[11:22] <Flash> I want to put in some local mirrors first
[11:22] <Flash> downloading @ 35k is shite
[11:22] <onkarshinde> ECMN: Have you enables repositories?
[11:22] <samu2> Did anyone update from hoary to breezy yet? How did you do it?
[11:22] <kYotiK> Flash: yea its because the repos are hammered right now...
[11:22] <ECMN> i followed the instruction in the ubuntuguide.com but the files does not exist
[11:23] <onkarshinde> ECMN: 'sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list' and then uncomment the needed lines
[11:23] <ECMN> i haven't yet? Do i need to be connected to the net so that those packages will be available?
[11:23] <onkarshinde> samu2: Read this
[11:23] <onkarshinde> !breezy
[11:23] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[11:23] <ECMN> i'm using ubuntu offline
[11:24] <Myrtti> !apt-spy
[11:24] <ubotu> Myrtti: Do they come in packets of five?
[11:24] <onkarshinde> ECMN: First enable repos. Then connect to net and do 'sudo apt-get update'
[11:24] <samu2> onkarshinde, I already read that. Just wondering if that was the official way to upgrade your distro. Seems like such a hack to just change the word hoary into breezy in a few places here and there.
[11:24] <onkarshinde> Myrtti: What info do you need?
[11:25] <ECMN> oic, that was my guess but i'm not connected to the net so i didn't try it.
[11:25] <ECMN> By the way thans for the help
[11:25] <onkarshinde> samu2: It is official way. If you already have CD then you can add the CD to repos. Then you will need to download less packages
[11:25] <Doktoreas> guys need help with a problem...
[11:25] <Flash> hrm
[11:25] <ECMN> i really appreciated it
[11:25] <Flash> I dont really like sudo
[11:25] <Flash> ill just become root to upgrade :)
[11:25] <Myrtti> if there is such a package on ubuntu
[11:25] <samu2> onkarshinde, ok, I guess I'll give it a shot then.
[11:26] <onkarshinde> samu2: Why did you think it wasn't official way?
[11:26] <Doktoreas> currently i run gentoo but i am going to install ubuntu on 3 pc of friends..
[11:26] <enyc> flas: you may like 'sudo -s'
[11:26] <kYotiK> Flash: are you coming from a RH based distro?
[11:26] <Doktoreas> i'd likt to control them via internet but i don't know how can i
[11:26] <Flash> enyc: su - works for me
[11:26] <onkarshinde> Myrtti: There is no such package. What do you want to do?
[11:26] <Flash> kYotiK: im coming from gentoo and debian
[11:26] <Doktoreas> just to update them and install software if they got problem
[11:26] <enyc> flas: yes, that involves having a root password...
[11:26] <onkarshinde> Flash: root account is not enabled by default in Ubuntu
[11:26] <Doktoreas> i thought of ssh but here we all got non static ip
[11:26] <Myrtti> onkarshinde: to see which ubuntu rep is fastest for me
[11:27] <Flash> onkarshinde: I enabled it :P
[11:27] <Myrtti> but anyways
[11:27] <Ng> Doktoreas: ssh and dyndns.org ;)
[11:27] <onkarshinde> Flash: Ok
[11:27] <alisher> hi, does anyone knows whats up with shipit. I ordered breezy couple of weeks ago, now I have "2005-09-22: 15 CDs (sent to shipping company)"
[11:27] <Cicakman> Ng, orkashinde: thx.....
[11:27] <wrabbit> still 9 minutes to go... once this kernel is installed, is just a restart required?
[11:27] <samu2> onkarshinde, what about hoary-security? Do I change that to breezy-security then?
[11:27] <kYotiK> Flash: tell me what you think after you get over this lil bug.. i have used debian quiet a bit.. never liked it until Sarge came out...    now its alright.. but i like Ubuntu a million times better than any of debians releases have been
[11:27] <onkarshinde> samu2: Yes.
[11:27] <Doktoreas> Ng: dyndns can be enabled at boot?
[11:27] <samu2> onkarshinde, and hoary-extras to breezy-extras?
[11:28] <Flash> kYotiK: I use debian on my servers
[11:28] <alisher> and not only me has same statement, did they still send out hoary?
[11:28] <sanxiyn> Flash: Hehe
[11:28] <Flash> the ones I dont have gentoo on :)
[11:28] <Flash> im really a gentoo addict
[11:28] <onkarshinde> samu2: If you have hoary-backports then comment it. There is no breezy-backports yet.
[11:28] <Flash> but gentoo isnt that great for 'older' configs
[11:28] <Flash> unless you wanna wait days at a time to update
[11:28] <samu2> onkarshinde, the page you linked to earlier doesn't mention this...
[11:28] <rdw200169> so: how much different is the preview from the final?
[11:28] <Ng> Doktoreas: there are some programs relating to it in ubuntu, I haven't used them, but I expect so - at the worst you could just write your own script to do it :)
[11:29] <shinu> anyone upgraded from 5.04 to 5.10? (wiki says it can be dangerous...)
[11:29] <onkarshinde> rdw200169: I suppose there are many differences. You better upgrade
[11:29] <kYotiK> Flash: ya know i got gentoo going on my athlon pc after a day of hard work and compiling all the packages..   come to find out it didnt save me that much disk space, and wasnt running any smoother or faster than my ubuntu machine.. then i realized gentoo was pretty much a waste of time in my opinion
[11:29] <[LethAL] > shinu, It's out now, so it's not anymore
[11:29] <onkarshinde> shinu: Quite a few people on this channel have upgraded and faced no problem
[11:29] <Flash> kYotiK: everyone has his own distro
[11:29] <oralcel> congrats with the release :)
[11:29] <Flash> im quite happy with gentoo
[11:30] <rdw200169> onkarshinde: oh i BETTER, what if i DONT??? (ha ha ha)
[11:30] <shinu> ok ill do it then :)
[11:30] <shinu> thanks
[11:30] <Flash> others are happy with slack, or fedora, or ubuntu
[11:30] <rdw200169> onkarshinde: i'
[11:30] <Flash> I can tell you
[11:30] <Flash> my experience with ubuntu so far are shit
[11:30] <rdw200169> onkarshinde: i'm kidding
[11:30] <directhex|work> i've got a laptop upgraded from hoary to breezy. i was under the impression i should get a splash screen now. instead, i get a message marked "insmod: can't read '/lib/modules/2.6.12-9-686/initrd/vesafb.ko': No such file or directory" at the start of the boot process. any ideas on eliminating the error (and getting a splash)?
[11:30] <Flash> the simple fact 'its not working' is already reason for me to trow the cd out the window
[11:31] <kYotiK> but who is happy with shit like Suse, turbolinux, linspire, etc
[11:31] <Ng> Flash: are you asking for help or just shouting at the wind? ;)
[11:31] <onkarshinde> rdw200169: Your some media player may crash by some buffer overflow sometime in next 2 year. You will not loose any data other than the playlist if you haven't saved it yet.
[11:31] <rdw200169> Flash: that is very harch
[11:31] <Flash> ng, asking for help :)
[11:31] <rdw200169> Flash: *harsh
[11:31] <Flash> I know rdw200169
[11:31] <aftertaf> directhex|work:  odd... add that module to /etc/hotplug/blacklist ?
[11:31] <Flash> but if I fail to even set something simple as network
[11:31] <Flash> at least in the way I 'should' do it
[11:31] <kYotiK> i understand they try to make linux "easier"   but everyone is going to have to learn linux.. and those distros are just as hard at learning the CLI as the more powerful distros..
[11:32] <Flash> true
[11:32] <Flash> but im now talking about programs simply failing to work
[11:32] <Flash> I hope this update solves it
[11:32] <subzero440> any tips on how to install fonts?
[11:32] <Madpilot> !+fonts
[11:32] <ubotu> it has been said that fonts is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[11:32] <kYotiK> what programs are failing to work?
[11:32] <rdw200169> onkarshinde: i'm curious as to whether or not an upgrade is a better idea than a clean install, standard configuration wise
[11:32] <Madpilot> subzero440: see ubotu up a few lines ^^^
[11:32] <samu2> whoa, lots of packages to download and install.
[11:32] <Flash> kYotiK: the admin programs
[11:32] <aftertaf> Flash:  try other than gnome if it doesnt..... could be a big b0rk .
[11:33] <kYotiK> Flash are you sudo'ing?
[11:33] <mirak> is there Nautilus scripts available somewhere or must we do them ourselves ?
[11:33] <Flash> right now yeah
[11:33] <[LethAL] > Flash, you did expert install, didn't you?
[11:33] <Flash> I open a console
[11:33] <Flash> nope [LethAL] 
[11:33] <Flash> I let ubuntu arrange all for me
[11:33] <Flash> as a test
[11:33] <[LethAL] > But you can sudo?
[11:33] <Flash> from console yeah
[11:33] <Flash> from X no
[11:33] <aftertaf> kYotiK:  the shortcuts dont work, when they should ask for pw......
[11:33] <[LethAL] > O.O
[11:33] <Flash> gtksu is b0rked
[11:33] <onkarshinde> rdw200169: upgrade if you are not running out of space on / or /usr or /home (if three are different partition). Other wise clean install with some resized partitions.
[11:33] <kYotiK> hrmm
[11:34] <kYotiK> i just got a gtksu update here night before last
[11:34] <wrabbit> aftertaf, 2 minutes to go.  Will I have to do anything bar restart once this is completed?
[11:34] <kYotiK> this is making me think that the ISO images arent the "stable" version of breezy
[11:34] <Flash> kYotiK: than its probably in between the other 191 updates
[11:34] <kYotiK> yet i had to use those packages myself.. and they had to have worked for me... so this dont make sense
[11:34] <aftertaf> nope..... normally....   we'll see how it boots after new kernel first
[11:35] <wrabbit> yup
[11:35] <aftertaf> kYotiK:  time to make them, package them synch them. maybe not the stablest of stable ones yet.
[11:35] <wrabbit> usually takes 5 minutes to boot up as is
[11:35] <mihaela> hello
[11:35] <ECMN> is there any site that you can recomend on how to learn linux? i'm very new to linux and the first linux a used was the ubuntu, i use some ebook on unix which i observed quite have similarity commands.
[11:35] <Flash> im gonna get some lunch
[11:35] <Flash> see ya later
[11:35] <signius> There i something really not right with this network configuring because the wireless card can see access points
[11:35] <aftertaf> ECMN:  ubuntu is linux.... ;)
[11:35] <aftertaf> ok Flash :)
[11:35] <signius> and also how the fuck can i get a terminal in breezy so i can try and see whats realyl going on ?
[11:35] <DMFDSandman> is there a way to update without reinstalling?
[11:36] <kYotiK> good luck Flash
[11:36] <aftertaf> signius:  !!!!
[11:36] <Ng> signius: Applications->Accessories->Terminal
[11:36] <onkarshinde> signius: Right click on desktop
[11:36] <Ng> onkarshinde: not in breezy
[11:36] <signius> why they moved it from system
[11:36] <onkarshinde> signius: the way told by is Np will work for sure
[11:37] <Doktoreas> anyone can please ceck if in repository are there tool for autoupdate of dyndns...thx!
[11:37] <wrabbit> brb..
[11:37] <wickedpuppy> is it possible to open .chm files in ubuntu ???
[11:37] <C-Keen> wickedpuppy: yes you need a chm viewer
[11:37] <C-Keen> wickedpuppy: use synaptic to search for one
[11:37] <kYotiK> whats a chm?
[11:37] <C-Keen> Doktoreas: use wget
[11:37] <kYotiK> what program in the MS / OSX worlds?
[11:37] <Trashcan> it's built into windows
[11:38] <C-Keen> kYotiK: windows help file
[11:38] <Trashcan> CHM = compiled help something
[11:38] <kYotiK> oh
[11:38] <Trashcan> compiled help media maybe
[11:38] <wickedpuppy> Doktoreas, there is
[11:38] <Ng> compiled html
[11:38] <Trashcan> ok
[11:38] <Trashcan> :p
[11:38] <Doktoreas> wickedpuppy: thank you very much
[11:38] <signius> yeah i got in a terminal now cheers
[11:38] <signius> now to work out why it cant get any network IPs
[11:38] <signius> it can see access points so soemthing is working
[11:38] <sexcopter8000m> morning, what is dapper?
[11:39] <[LethAL] > !dapper
[11:39] <ubotu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be called the "Dapper Drake" release.
[11:39] <crueldragon> hi room
[11:39] <kYotiK> where does ubuntu get its names?
[11:39] <kYotiK> i know debian uses Toy Story names
[11:39] <kYotiK> but whats with ubuntu
[11:39] <Trashcan> ubuntu is african
[11:40] <Trashcan> debian is from toy story?
[11:40] <[LethAL] > Trashcan, he means release names
[11:40] <wickedpuppy> sid sarge ... and so on
[11:40] <kYotiK> woody sarge buzz sid etc
[11:40] <Trashcan> oh..ok
[11:40] <kYotiK> yea
[11:40] <wickedpuppy> there is also potato
[11:40] <wickedpuppy> waiting for buzz
[11:40] <onkarshinde> kYotiK: I heard Ubuntu names are dog breeds. Not sure.
[11:40] <wickedpuppy> dog ? chihuahua
[11:40] <[LethAL] > rofl hell no
[11:40] <Trashcan> lol
[11:40] <Trashcan> never heard of a dog called a badger
[11:40] <Madpilot> onkarshinde: wha? no...
[11:40] <Trashcan> or a hedgehog
[11:41] <[LethAL] > Or a drake
[11:41] <kYotiK> or a badger dog
[11:41] <Trashcan> oh wow
[11:41] <Trashcan> after just installing the w32codecs dealy, it plays wmv
[11:41] <Trashcan> nice
[11:41] <HiddenFly> is there a shockwave codec?
[11:41] <Madpilot> it's just "<adjective> <animal>", and it started from a joke of Mark Shuttleworth's
[11:41] <onkarshinde> That's why I said not sure.
[11:41] <kYotiK> im curious as to who comes up with Ubuntu names and where they get them from..
[11:41] <Trashcan> i figured madpilot
[11:41] <signius> even though i have activated the card amd given it all the SSID and WEP info on th network connections icon it is only allowing me to choose lo and not eth1
[11:41] <wickedpuppy> ask mark
[11:42] <Madpilot> the "why the odd names" response is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth
[11:42] <DMFDSandman> can you connect without the wep on signius?
[11:42] <signius> nope
[11:42] <kYotiK> i think the names hold a lot of linux old schoolers back... for some reason i heard ubuntu and thought newbie.....  heard hoary hedgehog and thought wtf.....    then i said hell with it im gonna try it... other than the shitbrown theme.. its pretty good
[11:42] <kYotiK> heh
[11:42] <DMFDSandman> cause i can, but as soon as i try to activate wep it wont let me on
[11:42] <signius> but i can see access points when i go into the network configuration
[11:43] <LaschW> Will I run into problems using a DVD iso image loop device as a local repository? 2.3GB looks a bit big...
[11:43] <Trashcan> kYotiK : well ubuntu isn't exactly designed for seasoned veterans
[11:43] <[LethAL] > signus, it's propbably because your network is shared/restricted and your adapter is set to open, or vice versa
[11:43] <Trashcan> or else they wouldn't have whittled the install down to 3 steps
[11:43] <[LethAL] > 3 steps?
[11:43] <Trashcan> exaggerating
[11:43] <Trashcan> i didn't bother to count
[11:43] <[LethAL] > Ya
[11:44] <[LethAL] > I use expert anyway
[11:44] <signius> the WLAN is a managed network
[11:44] <[LethAL] > signius, no, the WEP
[11:44] <signius> i have not changed anything on the WLAN
[11:44] <signius> and i am doing the configuration on breezy the same as i did in hoary
[11:44] <signius> ah
[11:44] <[LethAL] > LaschW, 2.3GB is a small DVD ;)
[11:45] <signius> how can i get to them settings ?
[11:45] <crueldragon> how to play vcd with totem?
[11:45] <zoot_> on running: gksudo synaptic, i get the error: Failed to run synaptic as root: Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file. ermmm any clue what this exactly means?
[11:45] <[LethAL] > signius, man ifconfig and man iwconfig :)
[11:45] <yuacht> i can't start x since latest upgrade in breezy (yesternight), just gives me a "error 104" and "server caught signal 11"
[11:45] <kYotiK> Trashcan,  well it picked my desktop of choice by default... and thats all it installed with no BS, and i pick what i want from the repos and thats what i get.. lets see that happen with other distros, but still stay bleeding edge side of stable...
[11:45] <LaschW> [LethAL] : I have in mind that there was a size limitation for loop devices, _very_ long time ago..
[11:45] <signius> If i look in hosts it looks like everything is using IPv6
[11:45] <[LethAL] > zoot_, maybe you ran out of disk space?
[11:45] <tinrawat_mix> Who are Thai?
[11:45] <Trashcan> yup kyotik, it's pretty badass without all the hours of console work
[11:45] <signius> i nerver it told to use IPv6 during install
[11:46] <zoot_> [LethAL] :  nope, impossible :)
[11:46] <[LethAL] > signius, no, it's ipv6 ready
[11:46] <kYotiK> Trashcan,  exactly :D
[11:46] <Dreifinger`ziek> Ubuntu 5.10 Final Release is burned!! :P
[11:46] <Trashcan> 'newbie' or not I love it :)
[11:47] <ghb> Any idea why my DVD-ROM only reads at a rate of 500 kb/s? DMA is enabled.
[11:47] <[LethAL] > zoot_, "ls -l .Xauthority" should have rw once in the dashes... check
[11:47] <Trashcan> allow me to ask again: if we're already running breezy preview, do we need to do anything extra or do we just get the updates normally?
[11:47] <[LethAL] > Normal updates
[11:47] <Trashcan> cool cool
[11:47] <kYotiK> i think most people who are old school dont like the new easier to install powerful linux distros cuz they remember when linux was hours and hours of hardwork just to get hardware to be recognized by the OS... and we remember nasty XFree configs
[11:48] <zoot_> [LethAL] : hehe, no .Xauthority
[11:48] <[LethAL] > Ah.
[11:48] <prego> When updating to breezy, will my own built (local development) libsomething.a link agains next compilations or do I have to recompile them all? (because of the Gcc-4 change)
[11:48] <kYotiK> lots of gurus or whatever ya wanna call em like to show their geekieness... they are the kinda people who like to reinvent the wheel just to say they did something.....
[11:48] <ghb> kYotiK: I remember using XFree configuration tool when I tried to install Red Hat 8 or 9 on my old laptop -- it was a pain in the ass!
[11:48] <zoot_> now why not - standard breezy install (with updates) .. will hunt for a template.. not an X guru
[11:49] <Trashcan> exactly kyotik
[11:50] <signius> OK i am going to have to give an oppoligy
[11:50] <johnsie2k> what is the command to install a previously downloaded .deb
[11:50] <signius> i was being a dumb twat with the cisco card
[11:50] <DMFDSandman> what was wrong sinius?
[11:50] <[LethAL] > !tell johnsie2k about dpkg
[11:50] <prego> johnsie2k, you may do that with synaptic as well...
[11:51] <signius> because its got to external mmx antenna connections it sees to nics when thee is only 1 you have to ignore eth1 and configure eth2
[11:51] <DMFDSandman> you arent using wlan0 with WEP?
[11:51] <Trashcan> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 <-- loollll
[11:52] <signius> i am hoping by switiching to a cisco aironet card i am not going to have keep patching the frigging kernel every time like on my orinoco card every tiem anything to do with the kernel is done
[11:52] <signius> because it was getting very very tedious
[11:52] <sexcopter8000m> hey, i'm getting breezy now (:D) via torrent, and it's going about 20k/s. should i be getting better speeds than that??
[11:52] <signius> in the end i was ignoring secuirty updates to the kernel to avoid having to repatch the kernel every time
[11:52] <sexcopter8000m> does it work as a funtion of your upload speed?
[11:52] <DMFDSandman> oh
[11:52] <[LethAL] > sexcopter8000m, linux torrents usually max your download speed
[11:52] <Ky0tIk> damn isp........
[11:53] <signius> i downloadd the iso this morning off the main ubuntu site and the speeds were good
[11:53] <[LethAL] > sexcopter8000m, although it could be because it's release day
[11:53] <Syruss> tmpfs                 375M   13M  363M   4% /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/volatile
[11:53] <signius> i thought hey would be bogged down and slow but they werent
[11:53] <Syruss> ^ does these mean I have a ram drive mounted?
[11:53] <signius> was very impressed
[11:53] <Syruss> (is this normal)?
[11:53] <Syruss> the ubuntu torrents are excellent...well, the cd iso is
[11:53] <wrabbit> aftertaf, all done.  Doesn't feel much different though.  I think it's gnome :(
[11:53] <Syruss> I was downloading it at 3mbytes/sec at work
[11:53] <Trashcan> haha
[11:53] <Syruss> that's fast.
[11:54] <Dreifinger`ziek> peeps Torrent is slow...
[11:54] <johnsie2k> anyone know how to get xlib6g?
[11:54] <Dreifinger`ziek> my max at torrent was 24kb/s
[11:54] <Dreifinger`ziek> :+
[11:54] <Trashcan> i wish i could seed, but i have the preview iso :(
[11:54] <Dreifinger`ziek> then is normal http mirror faster with 200kb/s :+
[11:55] <Trashcan> i got breezy from the mains at 600
[11:55] <Trashcan> :o
[11:55] <[LethAL] > I know, I'll login to my friend's torrentflux and get him to get it :)
[11:55] <Dreifinger`ziek> Trashcan pm
[11:55] <Ky0tIk> the mains are usually 400 + but i noticed today they are down to like 65 -70
[11:55] <Trashcan> lol
[11:55] <Ky0tIk> 5.10 is sucking all kinds of users in
[11:56] <Trashcan> Dreifinger`ziek : i don't see any PMs :o
[11:56] <Trashcan> phony!
[11:56] <Trashcan> hey everyone, this guy is a great big phony!
[11:56] <Trashcan> ;)
[11:57] <Madpilot> 643 people here... wow
[11:57] <sexcopter8000m> ok, i might just get it off the main site, but i thought i'd be doing the ubuntu team a favour by easing load :P
[11:57] <sexcopter8000m> how can i seed the file once i have it?
[11:58] <Ng> sexcopter8000m: just leave your torrent client running
[11:58] <[LethAL] > Download the .torrent and open it as a seeding torrent in you client
[11:58] <[LethAL] > your*
[11:58] <Ng> or restart the torrent client int he same place if you have to reboot/quit/whatever
[11:58] <sexcopter8000m> k
[11:58] <wrabbit> Maybe I need to try something other then Gnome.  It seems to be bogging up everything
[11:59] <Madpilot> wrabbit: what are your system specs?
[11:59] <wrabbit> Madpilot, I'm on my Thinkpad T20.  PIII 700mhz 256mb Ram
[12:00] <wrabbit> Just installed the latest kernel and it's not all that much different (if at all)
[12:00] <Crasp> hmm if i upgrade from hoary to breezy using apt-get distupgrade would that work ok?
[12:00] <signius> how can i edit the apt source list
[12:00] <signius> it saying i cant do it coz i aint got permissions
[12:00] <Ng> Crasp: should do, there's a page in the wiki with some general hints about what to check afterwards
[12:00] <deFrysk> signius, use sudo
[12:00] <[LethAL] > !tell crasp about breezy
[12:00] <[LethAL] > :)
[12:00] <Crasp> *sigh*
[12:00] <Madpilot> wrabbit: any way of getting more RAM for it?
[12:01] <wrabbit> Madpilot, Eventually
[12:01] <Crasp> oh it's actually usefull
[12:01] <[LethAL] > :)
[12:01] <chaumurky> I'm waiting for my ISP to host it then itdoesn't count towards my quota ;-)
[12:01] <wrabbit> Madpilot, You think that's the problem?
[12:01] <Madpilot> wrabbit: more RAM never hurts, and 256 is getting toward the low end for modern OSes
[12:02] <Crasp> how can i make sure that my local mirror is using breezy final and not RC?
[12:02] <[LethAL] > Crasp, it'll say in the iso's name
[12:02] <wrabbit> Madpilot: Guess so.  Win2k works like a breeze on this laptop.  Can't say that about Ubuntu :(
[12:02] <wrabbit> Don't wanna go back to ms though
[12:02] <Ng> wrabbit: win2k is also 5 years old ;)
[12:02] <Crasp> [LethAL] : you just gave me a link on how to upgrade, so i'm not downloading an iso
[12:02] <wrabbit> Ng, Yup... good point
[12:03] <ema1> Anyone finding evolution crashing on startup with breezy?
[12:03] <wrabbit> Maybe I could find an older distro
[12:03] <[LethAL] > Crasp, oh, I think the mirrors are updated with the repos, just not the ISOs
[12:03] <wrabbit> similar to ubuntu but less demanding
[12:03] <Madpilot> wrabbit: you could try the XFCE packages for Ubuntu - Xubuntu, it's called
[12:03] <Crasp> [LethAL] : mmkay :)
[12:03] <[LethAL] > !xfce
[12:03] <ubotu> xfce is, like, a lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4" or "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". http://www.xfce.org/
[12:04] <[LethAL] > :)
[12:04] <wezzer> !breezy
[12:04] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[12:04] <ubuguboo> !printing
[12:04] <ubotu> ubuguboo: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[12:04] <ercueva> I was using beta version of ubuntu... now 5.10 is released.... how can I know if I have everything OK with the new version?
[12:04] <ubuguboo> !print
[12:04] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, ubuguboo
[12:04] <Madpilot> !+printers
[12:04] <ubotu> somebody said printers was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters or http://www.linuxprinting.org
[12:05] <Madpilot> ubuguboo: there you go... ;)
[12:05] <ubuguboo> Madpilot thnx
[12:05] <GNAM> NO DVD
[12:05] <wezzer> is there a list of available breezy repositories?
[12:05] <[LethAL] > !mirror
[12:05] <ubotu> mirror is probably repository mirrors can be found through http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[12:05] <[LethAL] > wezzer, there ^^
[12:05] <GNAM> i think dvd avaible in a week
[12:05] <wezzer> thanks
[12:05] <Trashcan> !printing
[12:05] <ubotu> printing is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters or http://www.linuxprinting.org
[12:05] <wrabbit> Madpilot, I luuuurve gnome.  Just slow.  I'd rather not change anything now but thanks
[12:05] <Trashcan> fixed
[12:06] <GNAM> availables
[12:06] <ercueva> I was using ubuntu brezy 5.10... now stable release 5.10, How can I upgrade?
[12:06] <[LethAL] > wrabbit, xfce looks quite like Gnoome
[12:06] <Trashcan> is kde faster (on average) than gnome?
[12:06] <[LethAL] > NO!
[12:06] <Trashcan> rgr :)
[12:06] <wrabbit> Madpilot, I might go back to win2k until I can get some more ram (or a better lappy
[12:06] <Trashcan> i prefer gnome anyway
[12:06] <[LethAL] > >.<
[12:06] <[LethAL] > Me too
[12:06] <Chousuke> They say KDE needs more RAM
[12:06] <ercueva> how can I upgrade from breezy to stable version?
[12:06] <rohal> well mine is faster than gnome
[12:06] <[LethAL] > Maybe if Ubuntu was orginally for KDE, I'd be more inclined to use it :P
[12:06] <GNAM> KDE and GNOME = equal shit. KDE better apps
[12:06] <El_Che> Trashcan: KDE needs less flashy colours
[12:06] <GNAM> imho
[12:07] <bill> I have just installed ubuntu and cannot get any sound at all - everything else seems to be working ok - Has anyone a suggestion as to where i should start looking to fix this
[12:07] <fango> [LethAL] , that torrentflux any use?
[12:07] <Chousuke> wrabbit: try XFCE4
[12:07] <[LethAL] > !start a desktop war
[12:07] <knubbe> ercueva: sudo apt-get update | sudo apt-get upgrade | sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:07] <ubotu> fvwm is much better than gnome!
[12:07] <[LethAL] > fango, Yeah, it's a nice client
[12:07] <Chousuke> fvwm isn't comparable to gnome
[12:07] <Chousuke> :P
[12:07] <Trashcan> xfce... *googles*
[12:07] <ercueva> knubbe, thanks, I'll try
[12:07] <wrabbit> Chousuke, I've been trying all day to get things working and running ok.  That'd take way too much effort to learn how
[12:07] <rohal> why the debian room seems dead...this one is much more active...
[12:07] <[LethAL] > fango, I thikn his IP's changed :(
[12:07] <Chousuke> wrabbit: not really :/
[12:08] <Chousuke> wrabbit: xfce is simple and cute.
[12:08] <lorenzod> Aah, fvwm (those were the days..)
[12:08] <Chousuke> Though I hate the rat!
[12:08] <[LethAL] > rohal, because the debian guys know how to use their PC's :P
[12:08] <Trashcan> xfce is nice
[12:08] <Trashcan> looks nice*
[12:08] <Trashcan> i want wobbly windows :D
[12:08] <[LethAL] > xfce would be nicer for me if I could strecth the panel
[12:08] <Chousuke> install luminocity :P
[12:08] <dextur> Is it possible to upgrade an existing ubuntu install? I just cant find the docs...
[12:08] <Chousuke> !breezy
[12:08] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[12:08] <Ng> knubbe: pipes?!
[12:08] <rohal> [LethAL] : that means gentoo guys do not know how to use there pc's...thats why they r most active?
[12:08] <signius> ok ive worked out how to edit /etc/apt/sources.list in vi but i cant work out how to exit and save the changes
[12:08] <Trashcan> chousuke: i doub't it will run on my lappy :(
[12:08] <dextur> thanks ubotu
[12:08] <Trashcan> no hardware acceleration
[12:08] <signius> can anyone assist please ?
[12:09] <knubbe> Ng: no, my bad.
[12:09] <Chousuke> Trashcan: xfce4?
[12:09] <[LethAL] > rohal, I'm not suprised, gentoo is hard
[12:09] <Chousuke> Trashcan: how much RAM=
[12:09] <Trashcan> i'm lookin at it
[12:09] <Chousuke> ?*
[12:09] <Ng> knubbe: ;)
[12:09] <Trashcan> half a gig
[12:09] <Chousuke> hah
[12:09] <Chousuke> that's way enough for even KDE
[12:09] <wrabbit> Chousuke, ha! lol
[12:09] <Chousuke> :P
[12:09] <Crube> signius did you open it with sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[12:09] <Trashcan> :p
[12:09] <wrabbit> oh wait.. typo
[12:09] <rohal> [LethAL] : harder than debian.....
[12:09] <knubbe> ercueva: correction: first "sudo apt-get update" the "sudo apt-get upgrade" then "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[12:09] <Chousuke> XFCE4 needs like 128MB
[12:09] <Trashcan> it all runs fine
[12:09] <Trashcan> i'm just trying to optimize
[12:09] <Trashcan> the ati drivers don't work on the rage mobility
[12:09] <Chousuke> no need, really. :p
[12:09] <Trashcan> so i don't get any acceleration
[12:10] <signius> no i did suso su then opened it with vi /etc/apt/sources/list
[12:10] <Trashcan> dragging and resizing windows lags terribly
[12:10] <wrabbit> Isn't there a way to just optimize gnome so that it doesn't do all the flashy stuff?
[12:10] <signius> sudo even
[12:10] <wrabbit> There has to be a guide.  I'll search for "tweaking gnome"
[12:10] <rohal> gentoo doesnt have such a big community as ubuntu or debian...still have u ever seen them at the second place in the room list......
[12:10] <Chousuke> Trashcan: there exist free X.org drivers for rage :(
[12:10] <Trashcan> :O
[12:10] <Trashcan> :O
[12:10] <Chousuke> you do not need ATi drivers.
[12:10] <Trashcan> i must have them!
[12:11] <Chousuke> well, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg :P
[12:11] <wrabbit> Which browser do you all use?  Firefox is takin ages to load
[12:11] <Chousuke> and select them.
[12:11] <rohal> [LethAL] : i cant understand how the hell that #gentoo manages to get highest no. of users..
[12:11] <DMFDSandman> anyone know why my wireless card would work with no security, but as soon as i enable 128bit WEP it wont connect?
[12:11] <signius> does anyone know how to exit and save in vi ?
[12:11] <Proteque> wrabbit: I use opera
[12:11] <Chousuke> signius: :wq
[12:11] <twilight> wrabbit, gnome?try epiphany
[12:11] <signius> thanks
[12:11] <[LethAL] > rohal, because you have to compile everything, and that makes it fast
[12:11] <wrabbit> Will try both
[12:11] <wrabbit> cheers
[12:11] <[LethAL] > rohal, but I'm told the package management owns
[12:12] <Ng> [LethAL] : package management? hehe ;)
[12:12] <raingrove> j #kubuntu
[12:12] <[LethAL] > Ng, Yeah, it compiles source for you
[12:12] <signius> Hmmm thats just writing it in the text file
[12:12] <Chousuke> [LethAL] : the compiling doesn't give you any real benefits :P
[12:12] <bill> signius  :q to quit vi and save    :q! to quit without saving
[12:12] <rohal> [LethAL] : package management of debian is better than gentoo...i hve heard so...
[12:12] <Chousuke> [LethAL] : Debian packages are compiled with -O2
[12:12] <Ng> [LethAL] : that's hardly package management and isn't very useful :)
[12:12] <signius> niether of them get me out of vi
[12:12] <Trashcan> Chousuke : theres no 'rage' in the list
[12:12] <Trashcan> :(
[12:12] <Ng> signius: hit escape first
[12:12] <[LethAL] > signius, press esc first then
[12:12] <signius> its just writing :q into the text document
[12:12] <Chousuke> Trashcan: try "ati"
[12:12] <signius> ok
[12:12] <Trashcan> that's what it was using already
[12:12] <Ng> signius: vi has two modes, insert and command. escape puts you into command mode so things like :wq work
[12:13] <wrabbit> How do i install it? apt-get install epiphany?
[12:13] <Chousuke> yep
[12:13] <wrabbit> wow.... that was off the top of my head.  I AM learning! :P
[12:13] <aftertaf> wrabbit:  any better?
[12:13] <twilight> no :)
[12:13] <twilight> epiphany-browser wrabbit
[12:13] <wrabbit> not really aftertaf ... still groggy
[12:13] <wrabbit> ah, thanks twilight  ;)
[12:13] <rohal> [LethAL] : if u feel gentoo is better...than why r u not on gentt?
[12:14] <Madpilot> wrabbit: stick "sudo" in front of that, you'll have a winner
[12:14] <wrabbit> aftertaf, At times
[12:14] <ercueva> I did sudo apt-get update upgrade and dist-upgrade everything is fine...
[12:14] <wrabbit> Ha! Oh.. so I was way off
[12:14] <wrabbit> alrighty
[12:14] <[LethAL] > rohal, I never said it was better
[12:14] <signius> wow i need a crash course in using vi me thinks
[12:14] <ercueva> how can I be sure that I am with the new version...
[12:14] <ercueva> ?
[12:14] <[LethAL] > signius, you could use nano instead :P
[12:14] <Trashcan> signius : lol, vi is commpllexxx
[12:14] <Trashcan> not for the faint of heart
[12:14] <rohal> [LethAL] : then which one u feel is better?
[12:14] <Trashcan> but when you master it, it's one of the most powerful text editors
[12:15] <ercueva> How can I know I am using ubuntu 5.10 stable version?
[12:15] <[LethAL] > rohal, I haven't tried gentoo myself, so I can't answer that
[12:15] <intelikey> uname -a
[12:15] <C-Keen> ercueva: have a look at your apt sources
[12:15] <wrabbit> installing now
[12:15] <rohal> [LethAL] :for gentoo u need to give time....else that's the best distro to really learn linux..
[12:15] <wrabbit> haha.. 4 minutes
[12:15] <signius> i like mc
[12:15] <[LethAL] > ubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso.torrent	617.2 MB	rouge	
[12:15] <[LethAL] > 0.1% @ 10.8 kB/s
[12:15] <[LethAL] > 
[12:15] <[LethAL] > 
[12:15] <[LethAL] > 9 hour 03 min 29 sec
[12:15] <[LethAL] > :)
[12:15] <[LethAL] > Ooops
[12:15] <wrabbit> 'Oh well... 500 dollars for this notebook isn't all bad
[12:15] <signius> but i couldnt get them until i had edited the frigging source lists
[12:15] <[LethAL] > Didn't mean to flood :P
[12:15] <ercueva> C-Keen, is there any standar apt sources that I could copy ?
[12:16] <[LethAL] > !tell ercueva about repos
[12:16] <rohal> [LethAL] :if u were in gentoo room right now...then u must have been kicked for this..
[12:16] <C-Keen> ercueva: easiest way to do so is to use synaptic?
[12:17] <Trashcan> using vesa drivers now
[12:17] <Trashcan> :o
[12:17] <wrabbit> aftertaf, I'll see how things go after I get 512mb ram all up.  Should run better.
[12:17] <ercueva> C-Keen, is that the "visual" version of apt?
[12:17] <Trashcan> bahhh
[12:17] <C-Keen> ercueva: it is the gtk-gui yes
[12:17] <brownie17> aftertaf, i fixed it, i just reinstalled windows. :) do you mind helping me restore grub now?
[12:17] <ercueva> C-Keen, sorry I am a bit rookie...:(
[12:17] <Trashcan> when i run glxgears, it runs fine (fast!) for about 3 seconds
[12:17] <rohal> has anyone of u used sharescan in windows?
[12:17] <C-Keen> ercueva: no problem at all
[12:17] <Trashcan> then it drops to maybe 1fps
[12:18] <C-Keen> ercueva: it should be under System->Adminsomething->Synaptic package manager
[12:18] <[LethAL] > Trashcan, odd, mine does run fast, it seems to limit itself now, but it doesnt do what yours does
[12:18] <[LethAL] > doesn't*
[12:18] <Trashcan> it makes me sad
[12:18] <Trashcan> :(
[12:18] <Trashcan> (baby jesus too)
[12:18] <brownie17> !grub
[12:18] <ubotu> it has been said that grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows, or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[12:18] <wrabbit> !blub
[12:18] <ubotu> wrabbit: What?
[12:19] <RedGhost> 1 hour left on d/l noo :'(
[12:19] <erick> Guys question can I add fonts on my abiword
[12:19] <wrabbit> !blub
[12:19] <larsbjar> I have installed Ubuntu breezy on my mac mini, but as soon as the system is running, the screen flashes for a second and goes dead. What can I do?
[12:19] <shinu> how can i install mozilla-mplayer without mplayer-386? i already compiled my own mplayer here.
[12:19] <Trashcan> lars: does it drop to text mode?
[12:19] <danst> hi my dmesg does not work anymore! I only have old entries! syslogd und klogd are running! where's the problem??? please help
[12:19] <C-Keen> shinu: you can't
[12:19] <danst> me
[12:19] <larsbjar> no
[12:19] <Trashcan> ouch
[12:19] <Trashcan> no idea
[12:19] <C-Keen> shinu: not without fiddling with the mozilla-mplayer .deb yourself
[12:19] <shinu> ugly :/
[12:20] <brownie17> aftertaf, you there?
[12:20] <brownie17> anyone feel like giving me a really quick walkthrough on grub?
[12:20] <larsbjar> Trashcan,  I dont see anything. Seems as the monitor frequency is wrong or something
[12:20] <shinu> C-Keen: ill try and do that maybe
[12:20] <Trashcan> that's no good
[12:21] <Trashcan> can you hook it up to a CRT
[12:21] <larsbjar> :)
[12:21] <larsbjar> its on a CRT as it is
[12:21] <pigeta> hi
[12:21] <Trashcan> oh boy
[12:21] <pigeta> i'm
[12:21] <pigeta> new
[12:21] <erchache> i upgrade my server to breezy and has dependeces error on dist-upgrade...
[12:21] <brownie17> !fstab
[12:21] <ubotu> brownie17: Are you on ritalin?
[12:21] <Trashcan> i thought it was a lappy :)
[12:21] <erchache> how i can solve it?
[12:22] <larsbjar> I on a lappy now to get help :)
[12:22] <Trashcan> hehe
[12:22] <Trashcan> i have no idea, sorry
[12:22] <larsbjar> crap
[12:22] <ubuguboo> !+fstab
[12:22] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, ubuguboo
[12:22] <Trashcan> hey seveas
[12:22] <Seveas> oia
[12:22] <Seveas> Party time :)
[12:22] <Seveas> woah -- 652 people in here
[12:22] <Seveas> *653 - hi Fergy :)
[12:22] <Trashcan> :)
[12:22] <larsbjar> reinstall?
[12:23] <brownie17> i am havnig trouble restoring grub
[12:23] <intelikey> larsbjar you can try [ctrl] +[alt] +[f1]   to console mode and login    reconfigure x with  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  [alt] +[f7]     and  x can be reset with  [ctrl] +[alt] +[backspace] 
[12:23] <Trashcan> if it's something like that larsbjar, it's probably not going to be fixed with a reinstall
[12:23] <wrabbit> interesting :) Epiphany really does load up faster
[12:23] <brownie17> can someone help me restore grub, i am having trouble
[12:23] <signius> Lookslike the gb backports urls in the apt sources lists are broken
[12:23] <C-Keen> brownie17: dpkg-reconfigure grub?
[12:23] <larsbjar> ok... I will try
[12:23] <signius> thats fantastic on the first day a product is released
[12:23] <intelikey> take notes larsbjar
[12:24] <larsbjar> sure :) thanks
[12:24] <Renski> aaaaaarrrrrggghhh
[12:24] <brownie17> C-Keen, i installed windows, now i want to insert it at MBR again.
[12:24] <Renski> its the 13th today, isnt it?
[12:24] <Trashcan> yessir
[12:24] <Renski> are the iso up yet?!!?
[12:24] <Trashcan> people are already torrenting
[12:25] <otep> hello all, is there an option on the breezy installer to just 'upgrade' an existing ubuntu installation?
[12:25] <Renski> can I get a url?
[12:25] <brownie17> can anybody help me restore grub at MBR? i am having problems
[12:26] <intelikey> hmmm i'd say my clock had drifted "step time server 81.210.144.100 offset 35964.100965 sec"
[12:26] <C-Keen> brownie17: you want to insert window's mbr or what?
[12:27] <Trashcan> lolol
[12:27] <intelikey> brownie17 sudo grub-install
[12:27] <brownie17> C-Keen, no, GRUB. i installed windows and it works, but it dominates the MBR, now i want to put grub back on. there is a guide at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows but i am having trouble following it
[12:27] <larsbjar> intelikey, ctrl+alt+f1 doesnt do much. when do I push this? sorry.... Im in way over my head :(
[12:27] <brownie17> intelikey, are you sure? the wiki gives me a much more involved proccess
[12:27] <C-Keen> brownie17: boot from CD, use the cd's grub to boot from disk, then do the grub-install thing
[12:27] <NotHere> brosioz: can you boot ubuntu somehow?
[12:28] <brownie17> intelikey, i am on livecd sudo: grub-install: command not found
[12:28] <intelikey> brownie17 for a simple reinstall of grub to mbr  yes
[12:28] <NotHere> brownie17 I mean
[12:28] <intelikey> oh
[12:28] <Flash> hmm
[12:28] <brownie17> NotHere, i am on ubuntu livecd now
[12:28] <C-Keen> brownie17: not live cd...boot your installed linux
[12:28] <brownie17> C-Keen, don't know how
[12:28] <intelikey> ok pivot root to the installed root and do that brownie17
[12:28] <C-Keen> brownie17: it will tell you at boot up...
[12:28] <Renski> hey, can someone get me a link to the bit-torrent? I have an E1 here.
[12:29] <larsbjar> intelikey, ctrl+alt+f1 when do I push this?
[12:29] <C-Keen> brownie17: or alternatively mount your hard disk. go in that directory. do a sudo chroot .
[12:29] <brownie17> intelikey, how do i "pivot root the the installed root"?
[12:29] <NotHere> brownie17: boot in some rescue mode, mount your ubuntu partitions under /somedir and then do chroot /somedir/. After that you run grub-install /dev/hda (or whatever your disk is) and you are ok
[12:29] <C-Keen> brownie17: and the runt grub-install
[12:29] <tuxuntu> Hello! I have a problem. After upgrading to Breezy from Hoary, my umlauts are not working anymore...
[12:29] <tuxuntu> Anyone with an idea?
[12:29] <NotHere> brownie17: you can do that with the live cd too...
[12:29] <SillyCone> is it possible to install kernel source without internet connection?
[12:29] <C-Keen> tuxuntu: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[12:30] <brownie17> C-Keen, NotHere intelikey three people telling me what to do, i am geting really confused, can someone PM me?
[12:30] <Flash> SillyCone: if you can find it on the CD yeah
[12:30] <larsbjar> :( i cant see
[12:30] <SillyCone> I'm trying to install ndiswrapper to get online and it requires kernel source
[12:30] <C-Keen> brownie17: I will stop talking to you now.
[12:30] <brownie17> C-Keen, didn't mean to offend you
[12:30] <intelikey> larsbjar that is to switch from gui "X" to cli "console"  you have about 6 login consoles  f1-f6 and f7 is for gui
[12:30] <SillyCone> Flash: do u know where on CD it is?
[12:30] <Flash> if you have the cd in your reps
[12:30] <brownie17> intelikey, can you please tell me in really simple terms, exactly what i should type in?
[12:30] <wrabbit> SillyCone, make sure you use the winxp drivers
[12:30] <Flash> you can use apt-get install kernel-source to install it
[12:31] <tuxuntu> C-Keen, i've done that. I want an en_US locale but a swiss german charset. How do I do that?
[12:31] <intelikey> brownie17 what problem exactly do you have at boot time ?
[12:31] <SillyCone> ok, thanks
[12:31] <larsbjar> okay, intelikey , but when? after bootup or during?
[12:31] <intelikey> after the screen goes blank larsbjar
[12:32] <brownie17> intelikey, i installed windows, and now GRUB is gone. i want to bring it back. i am having trouble following the guide
[12:32] <larsbjar> ok :)
[12:32] <tuxuntu> C-Keen, there is also an error when I'm trying to start gnome, about a possible bug in libxklavier...
[12:32] <Renski> does ubuntu release i586 isos?
[12:32] <Ng> no
[12:32] <NotHere> it would be nice if the installation cd had a recovery mode with some options like "reinstall grub"...
[12:33] <nightswim> it's called a shell
[12:33] <Renski> can someone get me a bit link? Id rather not leech off ubuntu.
[12:33] <Cody`> to get the udpate do I change all hoary's in apt sources to breezy?
[12:33] <nightswim> so in a way it's already there
[12:33] <intelikey> ok  how about you boot the live cd and at the boot prompt type root=/dev/hd<where-ever-ub_is>   brown
[12:33] <intelikey> hmmmm
[12:33] <Flash> reinstalling the grub isnt that hard
[12:33] <NotHere> nightswim: not really the same thing :>
[12:33] <nightswim> Renski: the torrent is on http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.10/
[12:33] <larsbjar> [ctrl] +[alt] +[f1]  dont do anything to my dead screen. I reinstall and pray...
[12:33] <Trashcan> is there a list of window managers somewhere?
[12:33] <nightswim> NotHere: it's a really powerful recovery mode :>
[12:33] <Cody`> to get the udpate do I change all hoary's in apt sources to breezy?
[12:34] <Renski> nightswim: ah, the torrents are with the rest of the files.. my mistake. Thank you
[12:34] <intelikey> lars one more thing first.
[12:34] <larsbjar> okay
[12:34] <nightswim> Renski: yeah they are, not every mirror holds the torrents yet I believe, but this one does
[12:35] <intelikey> larsbjar try booting with this options  "linux vga=0 1 "   and if that boots you to a console that you can work from well try to fix it   k
[12:35] <[LethAL] > Trashcan, yeah, in synaptic
[12:35] <Trashcan> nice, thanks
[12:36] <johnsie2k> Just wanna say... BBC news desktop alerts works nicely with wine
[12:36] <intelikey> if not it didn't coust much larsbjar
[12:36] <intelikey> cost
[12:36] <larsbjar> will do. intelikey thanks. Amazing support in here :) I will be back later
[12:37] <intelikey> hehhe ok
[12:37] <wezzer> oh shit
[12:37] <dejot> hi
[12:37] <wezzer> I'm trying to upgrade hoary to breezy and apt-get dist-upgrade says this:
[12:37] <intelikey> i should go support a distro i use...... ;/
[12:37] <joelito> how those downloads doing?
[12:37] <dejot> ive got a problem with my breezy installation
[12:37] <wezzer> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
[12:37] <dejot> the nvidia driver doesn't work
[12:38] <lamer1> I'm trying to upgrade from Hoary to Breezy but my system reboots when trying to upgrade postfix package ? Did anyone had this kind of problem ???
[12:38] <brownie17> how do i acces my fstab?
[12:38] <dejot> nvidia-glx installed, "nv" -> "nvidia" => XServer doesn't start, just a black screen, no Console
[12:38] <dejot> browniel17: sudo nano /etc/ftab
[12:39] <wezzer> pls help: http://pastebin.com/392093
[12:39] <wezzer> what to do?
[12:39] <Bergcube> *Snicker*  Downloading the 5.10 ISO with bittorrent.  160 KBps...... Oh happy day!
[12:39] <SillyCone> Flash, i do have the CD in the repositories, but if i do apt-get install kernel-source, it says that it cannot find it
[12:39] <brownie17> dejot, should i be able to do that from livecd?
[12:40] <larsbjar> while I
[12:40] <Flash> finally
[12:40] <wezzer> does anyone have any ideas on that?
[12:40] <Flash> the upgrade is almost done
[12:40] <brownie17> intelikey, are you still there? sorry about that. i still need help restoring GRUB. can you help me?
[12:40] <dejot> browniel17: yep, just mount your existing partition and then you can access the fstab
[12:40] <intelikey> brownie17 i'll sure try
[12:40] <brownie17> dejot, but i need fstab to know the name of the partition
[12:41] <brownie17> intelikey, pm? or in here?
[12:41] <intelikey> here
[12:41] <larsbjar> while I'm here... Is there a way to search for computers on my local network, all and specific ones?
[12:41] <intelikey> i beep on pm
[12:41] <brownie17> intelikey, ok, well what should i type?
[12:41] <intelikey> lars man nmap
[12:41] <dejot> browniel17: ?
[12:42] <brownie17> dejot, don't worry
[12:42] <tuxuntu> larsbjar, nmap 192.168.1.* -sP ;)
[12:42] <intelikey> tell me what you have running brownie17
[12:42] <BockBilbo> hey
[12:42] <brownie17> intelikey, ubuntu hoary with BASH and the standard gnome-terminal emulation. i am using LIVECD
[12:42] <intelikey> you on live cd ?
[12:42] <intelikey> ok
[12:42] <SillyCone> How to install kernel source without an internet connection?\
[12:43] <shermanator> SillyCone, why without an internet connection? your on the net atm
[12:43] <intelikey> do you have other os's  windows...  on your system brownie17  ?
[12:43] <SillyCone> im on my windows laptop
[12:43] <brownie17> intelikey, yes, RE-installing windows was what removed GRUB from the MBR
[12:43] <BockBilbo> does anyone here have problems when trying to listen to the sound in flash animations using firefox and the flashplayer-mozilla plugin? When i try to listen to a song, firefox freezes... i use breezy and did the symlink to libesd.so.0 or whatever was its name
[12:43] <BockBilbo> ...
[12:44] <brownie17> intelikey, windows is allready in my GRUB menu.lst though, so no problems there
[12:44] <[LethAL] > BockBilbo, I just use the plugin when I hit a flash site :)
[12:44] <intelikey> k  yeah i should have put that togather...  sorry. brownie17 type fdisk -l for a list of partitions
[12:44] <wrabbit> cheers for the help all.  Time to get some more ram me thinks.
[12:44] <BockBilbo> [LethAL] , but does it freeze ff?
[12:44] <wrabbit> cya all
[12:44] <wezzer> damn
[12:44] <[LethAL] > BockBilbo, nope
[12:44] <brownie17> intelikey, yep, want them through #flood?
[12:44] <wezzer> I have problems with depedencies
[12:45] <_osh> upgrading is just doing a "s/hoary/breezy/g" on apt-sources isn't it?
[12:45] <intelikey> brownie17 find the partition with ub installed and give me it.
[12:45] <wezzer> what should I do now?
[12:45] <BockBilbo> [LethAL] , try this site: http://www.goikoetxeta.com and try to play any song on the music player on the left
[12:45] <brownie17> intelikey,  i think hdb1
[12:45] <BockBilbo> tell me if you hear it
[12:45] <Trashcan> man, the repos are gettin hammered!
[12:45] <Trashcan> 20ks
[12:45] <Trashcan> k/s*
[12:45] <Trashcan> down to 13 :p
[12:45] <Taliesin`> 235KB/sec here, from a auth'd repo :>
[12:46] <intelikey> brownie17 ok sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /media
[12:46] <[LethAL] > BockBilbo, :-(
[12:46] <BockBilbo> [LethAL] , what?
[12:46] <[LethAL] > No music
[12:46] <brownie17> intelikey, done
[12:46] <marcus^> *downloading breezy live cd :D*
[12:46] <BockBilbo> [LethAL] , did you press the play button?
[12:46] <[LethAL] > BockBilbo, ya
[12:46] <intelikey> brownie17 ls /media and see if it looks like a buuntu /
[12:47] <[LethAL] > BockBilbo, I'll try a flash player on another site
[12:47] <BockBilbo> mmm [LethAL]  it sould sound..
[12:47] <BockBilbo> *should
[12:47] <brownie17> intelikey, yeah, exactly
[12:47] <intelikey> brownie17 ok cd /media
[12:47] <brownie17> intelikey, done
[12:48] <BockBilbo> [LethAL] , try this: http://musicplayer.sourceforge.net/
[12:48] <intelikey> brownie17 usr/sbin/pivot<tab_key>   and see if it finishes the name for you
[12:48] <wezzer> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:48] <wezzer>  /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs-data_6.8.2-32_all.deb
[12:48] <wezzer>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libx11-6_1%3a6.2.1+cvs.20050615-3_i386.deb
[12:48] <[LethAL] > BockBilbo, ff hung when I asked for a new page :S
[12:48] <wezzer> what should I do?
[12:48] <[LethAL] > Stop pasting?
[12:48] <johnsie2k> how do i find my local ip address?
[12:48] <brownie17> intelikey, just beeps
[12:48] <[LethAL] > johnsie2k, ifconfig
[12:49] <bimberi> johnsie2k: ip a
[12:49] <[LethAL] > Or that
[12:49] <BockBilbo> [LethAL] , so ff gets frozen, right?
[12:49] <bimberi> or that :)
[12:49] <[LethAL] > Yeah, but that was after I'd left the page :S
[12:49] <johnsie2k> cheers
[12:49] <BockBilbo> yeah
[12:49] <ompaul> this will be fast http://ie.releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-releases/5.10/ <<--- they have more bandwidth than most
[12:49] <BockBilbo> thats because you pressed the play button
[12:49] <intelikey> brownie17 k try sbin/pivot<tab>    cause i'm not sure where ub puts it.
[12:49] <BockBilbo> and it made a conflict with the sound
[12:49] <brownie17> intelikey, beeps
[12:50] <[LethAL] > Ah
[12:50] <intelikey> on a whim try it with no address
[12:50] <intelikey> it may be on the cd too
[12:51] <intelikey> oh i think ub beeps if there are more than one also try 2 tab key strokes on that brownie17
[12:51] <Trashcan> xfce is...interesting
[12:51] <Trashcan> back to gnome for me ;)
[12:51] <brownie17> intelikey, i tried just "pivot" and pressed tab and it completed it to "pivot_root"
[12:52] <brownie17> intelikey, i tried pressing two tab strokes for both, it didn't work
[12:52] <intelikey> ok add this to the command line there  .  ./media/cdrom
[12:53] <intelikey> and execute it.
[12:53] <brownie17> intelikey i dont understand
[12:53] <Trashcan> good ol' gnome
[12:53] <intelikey> brownie17 sudo pivot_root .  ./media/cdrom
[12:53] <johnnybezak> hey whens breezy released must be a matter of hours hey?
[12:53] <Ng> johnnybezak: it's out :)
[12:54] <brownie17> intelikey, "pivot_root: No such file or directory"
[12:54] <brownie17> johnnybezak, it is released i think
[12:54] <marcus^> downloading live CD at 497kb/s :D
[12:54] <johnnybezak> Ng: haha that'll learn me for using slashdot as a news source :P
[12:54] <brownie17> marcus^, FAST! what speed internet you got?
[12:54] <CaiN_SA> marcus^, shush this line is going max 5kb/s
[12:54] <marcus^> 4000/400
[12:54] <CaiN_SA> :(
[12:55] <brownie17> CaiN_SA, my max is 20, :)
[12:55] <brownie17> CaiN_SA, :( ***
[12:55] <Crube> Mines 200
[12:55] <marcus^> Telenor in Norway. im downloading form a Swedish server i guess (se.ubuntulinux.org or something)
 intelikey, i tried just "pivot" and pressed tab and it completed it to "pivot_root" <---- that means it was in your path some place   so in the media dir i had you cd into do this   sudo pivot_root .  ./media/cdrom
[12:55] <jhank> are your sources so damn slow too?
[12:55] <wezzer> Hello all
[12:56] <wezzer> my problem is this: http://pastebin.com/392098
[12:56] <wezzer> I'm trying to upgrade from hoary to breezy
[12:56] <aftertaf> anyone know when ubuntu 6.10 will be released?? gurning guppy?
[12:56] <brownie17> intelikey, my mistake, accdiently left /media. it is done. it worked now
[12:56] <wezzer> and I'm out of ideas
[12:56] <jhank> wezzer in april 2006
[12:56] <jhank> afiaik
[12:56] <brownie17> aftertaf, hahaha breezy came out like 5 hours ago!
[12:56] <wezzer> jhank: what?
[12:56] <brownie17> aftertaf, you allready getting impatient?
[12:56] <intelikey> now brownie17 just sudo grub-install
[12:57] <Taliesin`> my local apt-repo is already cranked up and updated, took me 2 mins to grab all teh dist-upgrade files :D
[12:57] <CzarAlex> Okay. Whats the console command to upgrade from hoary to breezy? I'll take the dive into the unknown.
[12:57] <Taliesin`> (CzarAlex): apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:57] <brownie17> intelikey, "Usage: grub-install [OPTION]  install_device"
[12:57] <intelikey> now brownie17 just sudo grub-install /dev/hda
[12:57] <CzarAlex> Taliesin`, alrighty.
[12:58] <sayan> BREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZY
[12:58] <intelikey> the mbr of course.
[12:58] <ompaul> aftertaf, year 2006 month 10, but I thought you knew that
[12:58] <sJaM> I wanted to boot from the ubuntu install 386 Breezy cd for the server I just got and I get "kernel corrupt or invalid"
[12:58] <sJaM> tried with my laptop got the same message
[12:58] <sJaM> md5 checksums are the same
[12:58] <CzarAlex> Taliesin`, the mirromax.net repositories didnt work. is that okay?
[12:58] <brownie17> intelikey, allrighty, i think it worked. i will try a restart, then ill come bac and tell you if it worked
[12:58] <[LethAL] > sJaM, you borked the CD then
[12:58] <[LethAL] > :P
[12:58] <sJaM> borked ?
[12:59] <marcus^> 94% downloaded ;)
[12:59] <intelikey> brown sudo init 6
[12:59] <intelikey> that will reboot
[12:59] <brownie17> marcus^, took me about 5 hours
[12:59] <[LethAL] > sJaM, grab the torrent, unborkable download... then You have to trust your PC to burn it well
[12:59] <marcus^> brownie17: hehe
[12:59] <marcus^> 97%
[12:59] <sJaM> what is unborkable ?
[01:00] <[LethAL] > Not a real word :D
[01:00] <Trashcan> bork = break
[01:00] <CzarAlex> sJaM, that really hot girl in yer gym class.
[01:00] <poningru> you cant break it
[01:00] <marcus^> 99%
[01:00] <jhank> has nayone got experiences installing skype on breezy?
[01:00] <marcus^> 100% !!! yeah!
[01:00] <[LethAL] > !skype
[01:00] <ubotu> I heard skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ or deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free, or breezy debs: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:00] <[LethAL] > ;)
[01:00] <sJaM> I don't have gym
[01:00] <marcus^> hooray
[01:00] <poningru> marcus^: breazy?
[01:00] <CzarAlex> sJaM, bummer
[01:00] <sJaM> but I already downloaded it via bittorrent
[01:00] <jhank> thanks
[01:00] <marcus^> breezy yes
[01:00] <Bergcube> sJaM~  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bork
[01:00] <[LethAL] > sJaM, Oh, burn the ISO again then
[01:00] <det> I'm surprised it hasnt hit /. yet
[01:00] <sayan> list
[01:01] <marcus^> *getting a empty cd*
[01:01] <sJaM> perhaps it has something to do with the fact that I have to -force it in k3b
[01:01] <CzarAlex> uh oh. apt-get dist-upgrade gave me 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[01:01] <Trashcan> ahhhhhhhh 3 hours to download kde, no way
[01:01] <[LethAL] > sJaM, yeah, that doesn't help
[01:01] <Trashcan> stop downloading breezy guys :p
[01:01] <[LethAL] > CzarAlex, sudo apt-get update
[01:01] <[LethAL] > :P
[01:01] <CzarAlex> [LethAL] , First thing I did. hmmm.
[01:02] <[LethAL] > :(
[01:02] <Trashcan> what's the line to re-enable cd in the sources.list?
[01:02] <CzarAlex> [LethAL] , there were a couple 404's flying by
[01:02] <[LethAL] > O.o
[01:02] <marcus^> download from the swedish site :P
[01:02] <[LethAL] > Try a different !mirror
[01:02] <marcus^> Swedish people are at work or school now
[01:02] <CzarAlex> [LethAL] , it was a lot of the mirrormax.net sites.
[01:03] <[LethAL] > So are most British people
[01:03] <[LethAL] > CzarAlex, iirc mirrormax stopped mirroring Ubuntu
[01:03] <Trashcan> :( anyone?
[01:03] <[LethAL] > ?
[01:03] <CzarAlex> [LethAL] , okay so that isnt my issue then, any idea what is?
[01:03] <Trashcan> need to reenable the cd as a source
[01:03] <Trashcan> sources.list
[01:03] <[LethAL] > apt-cdrom possibly
[01:04] <[LethAL] > CzarAlex, use a new mirror...
[01:04] <intelikey> apt-setup
[01:04] <CzarAlex> [LethAL] , where can I find one to use? and do I add that to my sources list?
[01:04] <[LethAL] > !tell CzarAlex -about mirror
[01:04] <marcus^> *burning Ubuntu on  CD* :D
[01:04] <Trashcan> :D
[01:04] <SillyCone> What's an average speed when downloading from official repositories? Because I'm getting ~30kB/s
[01:05] <[LethAL] > SillyCone, well I get 240 from the GB repos :)
[01:05] <CzarAlex> [LethAL] , thanks
[01:05] <[LethAL] > 240kbps that is
[01:05] <[LethAL] > CzarAlex, np :)
[01:05] <Trashcan> thanks intelikey !
[01:05] <SillyCone> how come my speed is so low?
[01:05] <marcus^> a guy on my hosting co says that the desktop Linux distributions isnt secure by default.. is this right?
[01:05] <intelikey> np
[01:05] <Trashcan> SillyCone : because everyone and their mother's brother's uncle's former roommate is downloading
[01:06] <[LethAL] > marcus^, well they don't come with a setup firewall
[01:06] <SillyCone> Trashcan, :)
[01:06] <Seveas> marcus^, it's bullshit
[01:06] <[LethAL] > marcus^, And if they said anything about passwords, shadow passwords has changed that
[01:06] <intelikey> G i'm glad i'm not in that list   8*?
[01:06] <marcus^> yes, i hope they are encrypted at least
[01:06] <Seveas> marcus^, Ubuntu is secure by default. point.
[01:06] <[LethAL] > marcus^, only root can read then :)
[01:07] <[LethAL] > them*
[01:07] <marcus^> ok
[01:07] <jgb> where does the colony naming come from?
[01:09] <marcus^> OMG.. burn process failed
[01:09] <reiki> ok I just woke up and I'm sorry if this has been asked, but are there posted directions for simply upgrading from Hoary to Breezy? (If so it might be helpful to put that in the topic)
[01:10] <SillyCone> is the root password the same as my normal account password?
[01:10] <[LethAL] > !breezy
[01:10] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[01:10] <[LethAL] > SillyCone, root is disabled
[01:10] <linuxboy> can I make my own .iso file for breezy with jigdo? I have fast access toa mirror
[01:10] <jgb> is colony-1 the final release?
[01:10] <intelikey> marcus^ actualy the security of linux distrobutions varies greatly depending on distro/release and install method,  but in a nut shell.  he's right.   however even at that they are on avarage more secure than "thatotherdows" default install
[01:10] <bimberi> SillyCone: root is disabled and you use sudo for superuser access
[01:10] <bimberi> ubotu tell SillyCone about root
[01:11] <marcus^> intelikey: so when i install ubuntu server, i dont have to worry about security?
[01:11] <SillyCone> yes, I know, but when I type sudo and it asks for password ... should I type my regular account password?
[01:11] <[LethAL] > Yes
[01:11] <ratboy> yup
[01:11] <SillyCone> ok, thanks
[01:11] <ratboy> hey dudes
[01:11] <[LethAL] > Hewwo
[01:11] <jgb> marcus^ : erm, you always have to worry about security
[01:11] <CzarAlex> can someone paste me a copy of their sources.list so I can properly upgrade to breezy?
[01:11] <Seveas> !tell CzarAlex about sources
[01:12] <marcus^> jgb: yes, but what should i do?
[01:12] <brownie17> intelikey, it didn't work, but what we did remade my GRUB menu.lst, so i have to re-enter windows. is hda1 hd(0,0)?
[01:12] <marcus^> jgb: i know i shall change passwords
[01:12] <CzarAlex> Seveas, do I need hoary sources to upgrade to breezy?
[01:12] <[LethAL] > brownie17, yes
[01:12] <timalot> hello?
[01:12] <brownie17> !winmac_fstab
[01:12] <ubotu> brownie17: Are you on ritalin?
[01:12] <Seveas> CzarAlex, no...
[01:12] <brownie17> !windows
[01:12] <ubotu> [windows]  Everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[01:12] <jgb> marcus^: hire a security guy if your server is worth it
[01:12] <Seveas> !ntfs
[01:12] <ubotu> I guess ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP.  To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab . It handles HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions.
[01:12] <intelikey> brownie17 yeah
[01:12] <CzarAlex> Seveas, thank you.
[01:13] <brownie17> Seveas, thanks
[01:13] <marcin_ant> hi guys - pretty naive question - if I got breezy and updated my apt - then do I have the same packages as in current release or do I need to change something in aps sources list?
[01:13] <timalot> can i update to ubuntu 5.10 from breezey colony install using the update manager?
[01:13] <intelikey> brownie17 didn't work ?
[01:13] <dooglus> timalot: yes
[01:13] <brownie17> intelikey, GRUB was there, but windows wasn't in it.
[01:13] <timalot> cheers... 540 odd packages to download
[01:14] <knj> timalot: I upgraded to Breezy via. apt-get dist-upgrade yesterday :)
[01:14] <knj> timalot: Just update /etc/apt/sources.list and run apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:14] <intelikey> ah well adding the windows part to the list should be easy enough
[01:15] <BreiteSeite> gri!
[01:15] <timalot> thanks... i've been waiting for this release,  before continuing to update packages
[01:15] <BreiteSeite> gru
[01:15] <brownie17> intelikey, how do i access the fstab again?
[01:15] <Seveas> !de
[01:15] <ubotu> Bitte gehen sie nach #ubuntu-de fuer deutschsprachige hilfe
[01:15] <intelikey> brownie17 access ?  like read     or write ?
[01:16] <brownie17> intelikey, write
[01:16] <intelikey> brownie17 sudo nano /etc/fstab
[01:17] <timalot> problem is ubuntu is going so good already... i don't want to break anything by upgrading... i guess they are mostly fixes
[01:17] <marcin_ant> what should I add to apt/sources.list to update to breezy?
[01:17] <CzarAlex> Can I leave this upgrade unattended or will I have to hit Y ever so often?
[01:17] <Seveas> marcin_ant, /topic
[01:17] <intelikey> i was thinking access    hmmm cat /etc/fstab       edit sudo nano /etc/fstab      or just  touch /etc/fstab would be accessing it but i cant think of why you would need to touch it......
[01:17] <Seveas> CzarAlex, depends
[01:18] <CzarAlex> Seveas, great..
[01:18] <[LethAL] > Ah! 666 peoples!
[01:18] <Seveas> if you manually changed config files, it WILL need your attention
[01:18] <knj> marcin_ant: You should change all "hoary" to "breezy". Then run "apt-get update", "apt-get dist-upgrade".
[01:18] <CzarAlex> Seveas, hmm. okay. thanks.
[01:18] <samu2> I think there should be a button to automatically update to breezy in synaptic or something.
[01:19] <knj> samu2: Haha, good idea :)
[01:19] <Seveas> samu2, often requested feature -- maybe some day soon it'll be there
[01:19] <[LethAL] > or better, instead of having release names in sources.list have stable, testing etc :P
[01:19] <Seveas> [LethAL] , I hate that
[01:19] <intelikey> deb ?
[01:19] <[LethAL] > :(
[01:19] <knj> Dont think Microsoft have such a feature. "upgrade to windows vista"... "Please enter your card number" :)
[01:19] <Seveas> it defies the concept of 'stable'
[01:20] <[LethAL] > rofl knj
[01:20] <Seveas> suddenly you stable install gets a gig of updates...
[01:20] <samu2> Not that it was hard to change all hoary to breezy, but it just seems like a hacker thing to do to manually change it.
[01:20] <samu2> Like it's a workaround for doing it, and not the intended way.
[01:20] <knj> Seveas: Maybe it would be better to make a clean reinstall by downloading the ISO?? :)
[01:21] <Seveas> knj, for windows it would, for ubuntu not :)
[01:21] <and_> hello
[01:21] <knj> samu2: I did it yesterday and that worked just fine :) Just go to a prompt and type "nano /etc/apt/sources.list", change it and run the two apt-commands :)
[01:22] <samu2> knj, I'm already upgrading right now. Did it through synaptic though.
[01:22] <samu2> But it still felt like I was hacking the system to upgrade it, and not doing it in a controlled way.
[01:22] <mahangu> is there a problem with breezy and thinkpas?
[01:23] <knj> samu2: I didnt dare to do it via synaptic... What happens if it tries to delete/update my Gnome while it is running? Then it will close gnome and kill synaptic????
[01:23] <Trashcan> 16 hours to KDE, yessssssss
[01:23] <lhb> well, that is suppose to be one of the beautiful things about apt
[01:23] <larsbjar> intelikey, I still dont get have screen on Ubuntu. [ctrl] +[alt] +[any f-key]  doesnt seem to affect. And I lost the tips from earlier... bah
[01:23] <Seveas> Trashcan, you can still cancel :)
[01:23] <Trashcan> hehe
[01:23] <Seveas> don't go to the dark side :)
[01:24] <mahangu> Seveas, thinkpad and breezy? ive seen some neg comments in here
[01:24] <intelikey> or maybe a distro-upgrade script that rewrites /etc/apt/sources.list with the propper url's and runs the two commands for you....
[01:24] <Seveas> mahangu, thinkpad+breezy works fine
[01:24] <mahangu> Seveas, cool will upgrade
[01:24] <mahangu> just change hoary to breezy
[01:24] <Trashcan> i'm just looking for a little refreshing change
[01:24] <mahangu> then apt-get dist-upgrade?
[01:24] <Trashcan> i tried xfce... it sucks
[01:24] <Trashcan> lol seveas, nice
[01:25] <larsbjar> hard to operate without a screen :(
[01:25] <Trashcan> :p
[01:25] <knj> I am running Thinkpad R51 and Breezy right now :)
[01:25] <Trashcan> no it isn't
[01:25] <Trashcan> just enable text to speech
[01:25] <mahangu> knj, cool, so t42 should be fin ehe?
[01:25] <Trashcan> and you are good to go :D
[01:25] <[LethAL] > rofl
[01:25] <larsbjar> ?? joke ?
[01:25] <michael> does anyone know about Ubuntu posters that I could print to announce 5.10 to the 500+ students that live in my building?
[01:25] <Trashcan> yes ;)
[01:25] <knj> mahangu: I ran hoary on R31 too... I am sure it will work fine.
[01:25] <timalot> for name in [list of files that needed to be changed]  ; do cat $name |sed s/hoary/breezy/g > tmp; mv tmp $name ; done
[01:25] <albacker> guys, i change the default runlevel to 3 in /etc/inittab, and next time il login i stil see the gdm.. how can i get a terminal-login ?!
[01:26] <intelikey> larsbjar if booting with options vga=0 0 doesnt give you a console screen  i have serious doubts about getting linux to work with that display hardware.
[01:26] <gdh> hullo :) Just a quick question... if I open a text file with gEdit by Places-Network Browser... it opens in read-only mode even though the remote smb share is read/write -- if I open it with openoffice writer instead, I can save to the file. any ideas?
[01:26] <mahangu> so just hoary to breezy
[01:26] <El_Che> albacker: diasble gdm
[01:26] <mahangu> and apt-get dist-upgrade?
[01:26] <mahangu> i wanna do it in parts, the upgrade
[01:26] <knj> mahangu: If you are making a clean install you should run the vga-boot-command to be sure to not get any problems with your laptop monitor though. Run something like "linux vga=773"
[01:26] <mahangu> can i do that?
[01:26] <GNAM> DVDs ?
[01:26] <albacker> El_Che, how ?
[01:26] <knj> Widescreens fails if you dont do that.... My other laptop did :)
[01:26] <mahangu> knj, hoary works fine with this vga
[01:26] <Seveas> timalot, sed -i :)
[01:26] <GNAM> as for hoary, DVDs after a week
[01:26] <dooglus> timalot: do you know about the --in-place option to 'sed'?
[01:27] <dooglus> Seveas: snap :)
[01:27] <El_Che> albacker: from gnome in the run service gui prog
[01:27] <timalot> no
[01:27] <[LethAL] > Where can I get a list of numbers to put in the vga=### boot option?
[01:27] <knj> mahangu: Not saying that it is a problem... I just experienced it once or so :)
[01:27] <larsbjar> intelikey, who said option vga 0 0? And its a very standard CRT
[01:27] <El_Che> albacker: from commandline with upodate-rc.d
[01:27] <timalot> dooglus
[01:27] <Seveas> [LethAL] , google ;)
[01:27] <timalot> no
[01:27] <dooglus> timalot: stops you having to use >tmp; mv...
[01:27] <[LethAL] > Seveas, I tried some time ago...
[01:27] <mahangu> i might wait till i get my breezy cds
[01:27] <El_Che> albacker: if you are lazy, put exit 0 on top of /etc/init.d/gdm
[01:27] <knj> LethAL: Google something like "vga=773"... That is 1024x768 anyway :)
[01:27] <mahangu> 200mb is a lot over this connection
[01:27] <dooglus> timalot: allows sed to edit the file in place, without using a temp file.  -i is the same.  "man sed"
[01:27] <elfredo> [LethAL]  man lilo.conf
[01:27] <Seveas> [LethAL] , sec. I'll have beagle search my history :)
[01:28] <[LethAL] > elfredo, I can't imagine why that's not working for me :D
[01:28] <timalot> ah ok , all those wasted characters i used to type....
[01:28] <intelikey> hmmm i said options vga=0 0 at boot    so you could see how to fix things.... larsbjar
[01:28] <dooglus> timalot: admit it - you just learnt something and you love it.
[01:28] <elfredo> [LethAL]  grub user eh? :)
[01:28] <timalot> heah i am lazy
[01:28] <[LethAL] > elfredo, yeah, makes life easy :P
[01:29] <elfredo> heh you wish :)
[01:29] <intelikey> larsbjar if i understood you correctly you had a blank vidio
[01:29] <larsbjar> sorry there... how do i set this option then
[01:29] <dooglus> there's a trade-off though.  you can be too lazy to learn how to be properly lazy.
[01:29] <dooglus> that's what windows users do
[01:29] <Flash> just to let you guys know
[01:29] <Flash> the upgrade solved all my probs
[01:29] <timalot> so yeah it's a good thing
[01:29] <Seveas> [LethAL] , http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-5.html
[01:30] <Seveas> you can use the 0x numbers
[01:30] <[LethAL] > Thanks :D
[01:30] <sudonim> When I am upgrading, it is telling me I dont have a default locale - is this normal?
[01:30] <albacker> El_Che, how can i do it without putin exit 0 in /etc/init.d/gdm ? im not finding it in the gnome-control-center.. the place to disable gdm
[01:30] <intelikey> at the grub prompt [esc]  E     E to edit the line for your linux kernel larsbjar "assuming grub"
[01:30] <timalot> yeah in the long run it's worth it
[01:30] <Seveas> sudonim, yes, this can happen during massive updates
[01:30] <matteo> hi guys
[01:30] <matteo> any Italian?
[01:30] <intelikey> larsbjar first tell me
[01:31] <CrackersKeenan> so, I'm sure this has been asked, but has anyone spotted problems with upgrades from hoary to breezy?  In particular, sound problems?
[01:31] <larsbjar> all yours
[01:31] <Seveas> !it
[01:31] <ubotu> italiano es #ubuntu-it per favore, andiamo! Grazi ... prego! :-)
[01:31] <larsbjar> grub yes
[01:31] <intelikey> do you have any console exp ?
[01:31] <larsbjar> console exp?
[01:31] <[LethAL] > Seveas, It doesn't mention 1280x960 and I don't have an LCD...
[01:31] <intelikey> are you new to linux   experence
[01:32] <rafa> #ubuntu
[01:32] <larsbjar> new
[01:32] <Seveas> [LethAL] , then google on for another page ;)
[01:32] <RockyBurt> hm, i just noticed that there is an update to gnome-power-manager available for breezy... but its still using an old very of gnome-power-manager (0.1.2)
[01:32] <elfredo> [LethAL]  1280x960 is no VGA mode, therefore unsupported
[01:32] <larsbjar> I only get to the boot loader. after that, screen goes out
[01:33] <[LethAL] > :(
[01:33] <Belial-> there's still no install/live DVD
[01:33] <Seveas> ...yet
[01:33] <Seveas> there will be one :)
[01:33] <Belial-> seveas: how soon?
[01:33] <Seveas> noidea
[01:34] <intelikey> larsbjar try at the boot prompt [esc]   E    select the line that is ubuntu and E to edit it  then where it says  vga=<blah>  set to vga=0   and  B to boot
[01:35] <Belial-> is it possible to burn the bootable install CD iso on a DVD-R?
[01:35] <larsbjar> ok
[01:35] <intelikey> k
[01:36] <mahangu> Belial-, shoould be able to mate
[01:36] <dooglus> which package is /usr/bin/md5sum in?
[01:36] <Belial-> mahangu: k thanks . guess I won't have to wait for the combo DVD then
[01:37] <intelikey> md5sum
[01:37] <dooglus> E: Couldn't find package md5sum
[01:37] <Kamion> Belial-: there is - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/release/
[01:37] <mahangu> after breezy installs will it boot the new kernel automatically?
[01:37] <[LethAL] > gb.archive.ubuntu.com appears to be down :(
[01:37] <rdw200169> wow, i can print in crossover office :)
[01:37] <LoRe> dooglus: dpkg -S /usr/bin/md5sum
[01:37] <Kamion> Belial-: I'll link it from releases.ubuntu.com when I get a chance
[01:37] <Belial-> Kamion: ok great thanks
[01:38] <Kamion> Belial-: releases.ubuntu.com didn't have the space for DVD images - was causing mirroring problems
[01:38] <intelikey> dooglus learn apt-cache find <blah>         use  "man apt-cache"  to learn more about it.
[01:38] <timalot> packages.ubuntu.com
[01:38] <intelikey> sorry its search not find
[01:38] <KenSentMe> intelikey, it's apt-cache search etc.
[01:38] <intelikey> apt-cache search md5sum
[01:39] <El_Che> albacker: at work I have gnome 2.8 on solaris, so i can not check, but i guess system-configuration editor
[01:39] <GNAM> azz
[01:39] <Kamion> Belial-: yes, you can burn a CD image onto a DVD-R, although personally I think that's a bit of a waste unless you're using DVD-RWs
[01:39] <GNAM> DVD's OUT!
[01:39] <marcin_ant> sooo it's pretty strange but I already have breezy - no new packages in apt so it seems that it is breezy
[01:39] <KenSentMe> intelikey: , sorry, too late
[01:39] <marcin_ant> soooo my question is - what is default firewall solution for ubuntu?
[01:39] <Belial-> Kamion: all out of CD-R:s .. and I've got a couple of hundred DVD-R:s
[01:39] <WinZ> Friends, what must be in sources.list now? After releasing breezy
[01:39] <intelikey> hehhe  you can catch me on the next blunder KenSentMe :)
[01:39] <albacker> El_Che,  and how can i start it from a terminal ?
[01:40] <Kamion> GNAM: about 4 hours and 20 minutes ago, yes ;)
[01:40] <poningru> marcin_ant: just like all linux
[01:40] <dooglus> intelikey: I don't think that helps much.  "apt-cache search md5sum" lists 5 packages which don't seem to contain /usr/bin/md5sum.  and "apt-cache search /usr/bin/md5sum" lists nothing
[01:40] <poningru> iptables
[01:40] <albacker> El_Che,  the system configuration...
[01:40] <mahangu> after breezy installs will it boot the new kernel automatically?
[01:40] <Belial-> Kamion: guess I'll get the DVD version now though
[01:40] <KenSentMe> intelikey: i was surprised i could actually correct someone right here, and then i'm too late
[01:40] <Kamion> dooglus: it's in coreutils; dpkg diverts it into place in an odd way
[01:40] <Kamion> dooglus: it used to be in dpkg
[01:40] <[LethAL] > mahangu, if you use grub, yes, but you'll have o reboot yourself ;)
[01:40] <dooglus> Kamion: I know it used to be in dpkg.  It still is, in fact.
[01:41] <larsbjar> intelikey, Feeling really stupid here. Where do I get the boot prompt? Ah
[01:41] <dooglus> but the version in dpkg is different than the version on my disk.
[01:41] <Kamion> dooglus: not in breezy it isn't
[01:41] <LoRe> dooglus: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search /usr/bin/md5sum; if you dont have md5sum installed
[01:41] <johnnybezak> wow apt is *slow* atm :)
[01:41] <Kamion> <cjwatson@riva ~>$ dpkg -c /mirror/ubuntu/pool/main/d/dpkg/dpkg_1.13.10ubuntu4_i386.deb | grep md5sum
[01:41] <Kamion> <cjwatson@riva ~>$
[01:41] <LoRe> dooglus: if it is installed: dpkg -S /usr/bin/md5sum to find out from which package
[01:42] <timalot> just go to packages.ubuntu.com and save your self some trouble
[01:42] <Kamion> dooglus: it's in coreutils, installed as /usr/bin/md5sum.textutils and diverted into place
[01:42] <tzfardea> hello i have a problem with my ubuntu
[01:42] <intelikey> it should be the first thing on the screen after bios larsbjar      remember to press [esc] 
[01:42] <tzfardea> i installed it yesterday
[01:42] <tzfardea> and something like every hour or 2 hours this happend:
[01:42] <tzfardea> http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/8669/screenshot8yz.png
[01:43] <larsbjar> I dont get any bios on my screen afaik. Pressing esc on startup dont do much here
[01:43] <gdh> OK another lame question.. How can I make Totem play WMV? I have w32codecs already installed and gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse with no joy - any advice?
[01:43] <dooglus> Kamion: what's this "diverted" thing?  I don't see it explained in dpkg(1)
[01:44] <Kamion> dooglus: dpkg-divert(8)
[01:44] <dooglus> aah, ok.
[01:44] <marcin_ant> poningru: well I know iptables are in almost every Linux
[01:44] <Belial-> gdh: videolan can play some wmvs
[01:44] <tzfardea> someone know what's the problem?
[01:44] <dooglus> Kamion: that should be in dpkg(1)'s "SEE ALSO" I would say
[01:44] <marcin_ant> poningru: but my question was about default iptables-frontend solution
[01:44] <marcin_ant> poningru: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Firewalls
[01:44] <MaTaKs> how to run clamav antivirus?
[01:44] <gdh> Belial-: Yep, I wanted to try thing 'the GNOME way' :)
[01:44] <intelikey> larsbjar i'm sorry, i'm going to have to hand you off to someone else.  i have to go now.   good luck with it.
[01:44] <Belial-> gdh: heh k
[01:44] <gdh> Belial-: The actual content I can play in mplayer if I need to :)
[01:44] <snarf> does cedega work well in amd64 ubuntu?
[01:44] <marcin_ant> poningru: one of the breezy goals
[01:44] <Kamion> dooglus: mm, possibly. it's a bit advanced compared to even the dpkg man page
[01:45] <larsbjar> ok thanx
[01:45] <Kamion> but maybe
[01:45] <intelikey> gooday every one.
[01:45] <MaTaKs> how to run clamav antivirus?
[01:45] <marcin_ant> hmm so no firewall frontend in breezy (firestarter not in main repo)
[01:45] <tzfardea> someone can help me please?
[01:45] <wezzer> oh no, I have big problems now
[01:45] <marcin_ant> then what about NetworkManager? not ready too?
[01:46] <wezzer> python2.3-imaging won't uninstall until python2.4-imaging installs and vice versa
[01:46] <poningru> marcin_ant: sorry what was the question?
[01:46] <poningru> marcin_ant: firestarter is in the main repo
[01:46] <poningru> err restricted I think
[01:47] <dooglus> is there any way to get the update to run 'lilo' for me after it upgrades the kernel?  if it doesn't, then I can't boot ubuntu afterwards and have to use a rescue CD
[01:47] <Jedrick> how to run clamav antivirus/
[01:47] <wezzer> oh man, my ubuntu is really messed up now
[01:47] <mahangu> whoa
[01:47] <marcin_ant> poningru: no it's not in main repo - shorewall is in main
[01:47] <mahangu> im gonna wait for the cd
[01:47] <poningru> !tell Jedrick about clamav
[01:48] <poningru> wtf
[01:48] <Cavallo> hi
[01:48] <larsbjar> I have installed Ubuntu breezy on a mac mini, and I know people have done this before. But when kernel is started, screen flashes for a second, and my CRT screen says the prequency is way too low (15Hz or something). Pressing [esc]  on startup gives yaboot bootmanager.... boot:  What do I do?
[01:48] <poningru> !info clamaav
[01:49] <Jedrick> !info clamaav
[01:49] <Jedrick> !info clamav
[01:49] <tzfardea> tzfardea hello i have a problem with my ubuntu
[01:49] <tzfardea> tzfardea i installed it yesterday
[01:49] <tzfardea> tzfardea and something like every hour or 2 hours this happend:
[01:49] <tzfardea> tzfardea http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/8669/screenshot8yz.png
[01:49] <ubotu> clamav: (antivirus scanner for Unix), section universe/utils, is optional. Version: 0.87-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 63 kB, Installed size: 188 kB
[01:49] <poningru> marcin_ant: yeah you are right its not in restricted
[01:49] <tzfardea> someone? :\
[01:49] <poningru> its in universe
[01:49] <sayan> BREEEEEEEEEEEEEEZYY
[01:49] <poningru> woah
[01:49] <poningru> tzfardea: what vid card is it?
[01:50] <elfredo> tzfardea looks like your xserver crashed
[01:50] <nacho_> estas?
[01:50] <Kamion> dooglus: I thought it did that already
[01:50] <tzfardea> umm.. i got geforce 6200 TM
[01:50] <Kamion> larsbjar: try video=ofonly
[01:50] <Kamion> maybe?
[01:50] <marcin_ant> hmm don't get me wrong but how ubuntu-devel guys decide where they tag something 'release' is breezy released because of the release date or because it is really ready to release?
[01:51] <Kamion> dooglus: provided you have an /etc/lilo.conf, that is
[01:51] <marcin_ant> or maybe they needed a reason to party or something?
[01:51] <Jaivaz> Of course, we're all nerds.
[01:51] <Kamion> marcin_ant: both; if there'd been a real showstopper, we'd have delayed, but we try very very hard not to (and haven't yet)
[01:51] <GNULinuxer> marcin_ant: don't think so
[01:51] <Jaivaz> :-P
[01:51] <and_> have problems with breezy live cd : user creation fails if estonian is choosed little bit more in here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=406492#post406492 and similar bug in kubuntu in here http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9149
[01:51] <GNULinuxer> marcin_ant: i guess the packages are all tested ok
[01:52] <luite> marcin_ant: you have to release sometime, otherwise you'd get a debian-like release schedule ;)
[01:52] <larsbjar> Kamion, on it
[01:52] <prower> I think it's probably important to mention that Canonical seems to focus and pay attention to quality issues rather closely...I doubt they'd make a release if there was something seriously wrong with it just because it's the day they set out on :>
[01:53] <larsbjar> Kamion, I get the same as ever... blablabla.. \\video=ofonly: No such file or directory
[01:53] <GNULinuxer> prower: i agree
[01:53] <Kamion> larsbjar: video=ofonly appended to the normal boot argument. If this is the installer, 'install video=ofonly'; if it's an installed system, 'Linux video=ofonly'.
[01:54] <larsbjar> ok :)
[01:54] <marcin_ant> GNULinuxer: ok they are buildable and it's cool but I don't see big difference on desktop between hoary and breezy
[01:54] <ratboy> heya dudes
[01:54] <ratboy> anyone heard of a cool newsgrabber ?
[01:55] <GNULinuxer> marcin_ant: that's the same difference between gnome 2.10 & 2.12
[01:55] <ratboy> pan is sloow
[01:55] <C-Keen> slrn
[01:55] <Kamion> prower: we do get stricter and stricter about what counts as a showstopper as release day approaches, but even at the end there's still the possibility of a showstopper; we have delayed non-final releases before due to serious problems
[01:55] <marcin_ant> maybe I'm just a little disappointed because I see the same bugs in gnome all the time
[01:55] <larsbjar> wow :) I got a screen, funny colors, but still.... Do I need to do this every time or is it now permanent?
[01:55] <GNULinuxer> marcin_ant: like?
[01:55] <wolfseye> Hi. I have a question. I just installed Kubuntu 5.10 and would like to know how I can get things like PROFTPD and those, or I do I have to use VSFTP ?
[01:56] <GNULinuxer> wolfseye: apt-get install proftpd
[01:56] <marcin_ant> GNULinuxer: first of all I really hate all these 'display/rendering/whatever' bugs
[01:56] <apokryphos> Kamion: Kubuntu still not available from releases.ubuntu.com? Is it still syncing?
[01:56] <wolfseye> and Programms like KVirc, are they not anymore in the released ?
[01:56] <wolfseye> i remember them of old KDE releases
[01:56] <GNULinuxer> marcin_ant: what bugs? are they filed?
[01:56] <marcin_ant> GNULinuxer: these are gtk or widget or gtk-engines bugs
[01:56] <Kamion> prower: e.g. http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-March/005326.html
[01:57] <marcin_ant> GNULinuxer: yes most of them I think
[01:57] <selinium> Is there a stright upgrade from Hoary to Breezy64bit?
[01:57] <apokryphos> wolfseye: it's not an official kde app, and not even in extragear, but it's in ubuntu's repos
[01:57] <apokryphos> selinium: hoary 32-bit, that is? No.
[01:57] <wolfseye> and PROFTPD is not to get via apt-get, I tried it. It doesnt find it
[01:57] <marcin_ant> GNULinuxer: mainly there are problems with transparency in gtk themes and things like this
[01:57] <marcin_ant> GNULinuxer: another thing are gnome features
[01:57] <selinium> HI apokryphos, ok I will sort it out later then! :)
[01:57] <GNULinuxer> marcin_ant: hmm ... but that's a GNOME issue ... nothing to do with Ubuntu
[01:57] <RedGhost> dl done, installing 5.10 :D
[01:58] <C-Keen> wolfseye: it is available
[01:58] <C-Keen> wolfseye: maybe you need to include multiverses
[01:58] <apokryphos> it's in Universe
[01:58] <Flash> hmm
[01:58] <marcin_ant> GNULinuxer: we have breezy and still no beagle in main repo
[01:58] <Flash> wireless is working to
[01:58] <Flash> not bad
[01:58] <looga> how can i get programs such as gimp to always open up in full screen when i am in gui?
[01:58] <C-Keen> wolfseye: proftpd - Versatile, virtual-hosting FTP daemon
[01:58] <snarf> ubuntu doesnt work with my touchpad :(
[01:58] <GNULinuxer> marcin_ant: is mono in the main repo?
[01:58] <Kamion> apokryphos: there've been some mirroring problems, still being resolved
[01:58] <marcin_ant> GNULinuxer: and we still don't have global indexing/search feature in Yelp
[01:58] <wolfseye> C-Keen: How do I do that ? Sorry, noob in Linux ;)
[01:59] <Kamion> apokryphos: you may find it's on some mirrors but not others
[01:59] <C-Keen> wolfseye: open synaptic
[01:59] <pinucset> one think, i havent received any new packet today :S
[01:59] <wolfseye> got it opem
[01:59] <apokryphos> alrighty
[01:59] <marcin_ant> GNULinuxer: still no NetworkManager or another nice network management tool for 'dumb users'
[01:59] <apokryphos> !tell wolfseye about repositories
[01:59] <C-Keen> wolfseye: under Settings -> Sources..
[01:59] <RockyBurt> grr... ok, my current f-spot on ubuntu/breezy is usless, freezes on import of pics
[01:59] <marcin_ant> GNULinuxer: and still any firewall solution installed by default with breezy
[02:00] <Kamion> marcin_ant: we're not going to start delaying for feature enhancements that don't make the cut, I'm afraid.
[02:00] <GNULinuxer> marcin_ant: Kamion is right
[02:00] <RockyBurt> Kamion: i use fire-starter on ubuntu (apt-get install fire-starter) ... works quite nicely
[02:00] <wolfseye> ok C-Keen, and now ?
[02:00] <RockyBurt> marcin_ant: i use fire-starter on ubuntu (apt-get install fire-starter) ... works quite nicely
[02:00] <RockyBurt> sorry
[02:00] <paulproteus> For what it's worth, http://paulproteus.acm.jhu.edu/ubuntu-5.10/ has torrents |  has the Ubuntu 5.10 torrents.  Feel free to put it in the topic.
[02:00] <wolfseye> Hi
[02:01] <C-Keen> wolfseye: add a repository -> check the last two checkboxes (universe / multiverse)
[02:01] <C-Keen> click ok
[02:01] <marcin_ant> RockyBurt: 1. yes I know that firestarter is nice - but that's all
[02:01] <C-Keen> refresh and search again
[02:01] <marcin_ant> RockyBurt: 2. firestarter is not in main breezy repo - so user has to know about this tool to install and use
[02:01] <Kamion> marcin_ant: some people find that objectionable, but we feel it's better to guarantee people a six-month cycle so that (among many other things) they know that if a feature doesn't make this release then it's not the end of the world
[02:02] <Kamion> a firewalling tool is not a showstopper, because no ports are open by default anyway, so any servers you install you presumably intended to use
[02:02] <marcin_ant> RockyBurt: 3. try to use firestarter with more than 2 NIC's and then you will see that this tool is nice but nothing more yet
[02:02] <Kamion> it's a nice-to-have, but we can afford time to do it right
[02:02] <_mindspin> what about fwbuilder?
[02:02] <pinucset> one think, i havent received any new packet today, why? :S
[02:02] <onkarshinde> Anybodu who has done clean install of breezy. Does it automatically add your remainig partition to Computer section?
[02:02] <_mindspin> does anyone know which version is included in breezy??
[02:02] <Seveas> pinucset, breezy is released - stable.
[02:03] <Seveas> !info fwbuilder breezy
[02:03] <Kamion> _mindspin:  fwbuilder |    2.0.7-1 | breezy/universe | source, amd64, hppa, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc
[02:03] <ubotu> fwbuilder: (Firewall administration tool GUI), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 2.0.7-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 1157 kB, Installed size: 3576 kB
[02:03] <daloydoy> anyone here successful with dot matrix printers?
[02:03] <_mindspin> thats fine
[02:03] <timalot> nice
[02:03] <snarf> anyone know if the programs magic and spice are in breezy, universe, whateververse?
[02:04] <apokryphos> snarf: packages.ubuntu.com
[02:04] <onkarshinde> snarf: Search here. packages.ubuntu.com
[02:04] <snarf> cool, thanks
[02:04] <marcin_ant> Kamion: so you just want to keep up with release date - and it is not much important that there are bugs in default ubuntu desktop (gnome) that are older than me ;) ?
[02:04] <oz> Hello all
[02:05] <oz>  i want to thank those that helped me get my dvd's to play on Ubuntu breezy
[02:05] <marcin_ant> Kamion: anyway I don't want to 'troll' here ;)
[02:05] <oz> Now I have just one problem to solve and that is
[02:05] <why-oh-why> Hiya!
[02:05] <why-oh-why> Anyone have a Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g wireless LAN Controller (rev 03)?
[02:05] <why-oh-why> I wanna shit on my Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g wireless LAN Controller (rev 03)!
[02:05] <oz> I have an nvidia fx 5200 PCI not AGp card on the system
[02:05] <oz> I need to get this to work.
[02:05] <timalot> no driver?
[02:05] <Kamion> marcin_ant: that's a deliberately pejorative description of the process; yes, sticking to a release schedule is important to us; nevertheless we endeavour to fix as many bugs as possible, while recognising that it is never possible to fix everything and if you wait until you do then you'll never release anything
[02:05] <marcin_ant> Kamion: I'm trying to fill bug report when I got some time - unfortunately I'm not C developer so I cannot fix them
[02:05] <oz>  I know that I will have to disable the intel video drivers but I need step by step on this one
[02:06] <why-oh-why> Hiya!
[02:06] <why-oh-why> I wanna shit on my Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g wireless LAN Controller (rev 03)!
[02:06] <marcin_ant> Kamion: and Breezy is really nice so I'm happy that there is such thing
[02:06] <marcin_ant> Kamion: but I'm still a little dissapointed that things move forward so slow
[02:06] <apokryphos> why-oh-why: language please
[02:07] <onkarshinde> marcin_ant: What is your PC configuration?
[02:07] <looga> do you guys know how to tweak ubuntu so that (some selected) programs always open up in maximized window (fullscreen) mode?
[02:07] <oz> thanks again for the help in getting dvd's to play on Breezy
[02:07] <apokryphos> why-oh-why: and go to #ubuntu-offtopic for general chatter
[02:07] <oz> I had to dodge the badger a bit but it works fine
[02:07] <wolfseye> C-Keen, qry...
[02:08] <oz> can someone help me with my nvidia card PCI not AGP/
[02:08] <ivar> so, I've read the upgrade instructions... i'm quite short on diskspace. how do I purge the deprecated warty packages after the upgrade is done ?
[02:09] <TerminX> ivar: apt-get autoclean
[02:09] <ivar> TerminX, cool. thanks
[02:09] <Kamion> apt-get autoclean doesn't remove packages
[02:09] <BiSK-8> hello
[02:09] <TerminX> it removes the actual files
[02:10] <Kamion> you need to look for obsolete packages with a package manager to do that
[02:10] <TerminX> which is what I thought he meant
[02:10] <BiSK-8> in the topic i read: http://tinyurl.com/74xlu but the link wont work
[02:10] <b0nkb0nk> hi
[02:10] <looga> TerminX: without autoclean, unused/unnecessary warty packages will remain on an upgraded breezy computer?
[02:10] <TerminX> I dunno, it's 5 AM and I've been up all night, I think I read it wrong :)
[02:10] <Kamion> BiSK-8: works for me, redirects to http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-October/000038.html
[02:10] <ivar> Kamion, how does one determine if a package is obsolete ?
[02:10] <TerminX> looga: files in /var/cache/apt/archives
[02:10] <b0nkb0nk> Seveas: are ya awake?
[02:10] <looga> what's that about?
[02:11] <Kamion> ivar: depends on the package manager. I'm a dselect-using dinosaur, so I look for the "Obsolete/Local Packages" section
[02:11] <looga> TerminX: what's that .../apt/archives about?
[02:11] <Kamion> ivar: there aren't that many packages from warty that will remain following an upgrade, though
[02:11] <BiSK-8> thx kamion
[02:11] <TerminX> looga: it's where debs go when retrieved by apt
[02:11] <allan> Hello. Is there any place I could check if a pcmcia Wireless card is working with Ubuntu - I wanna buy a new one but I'd like to make sure it works?
[02:12] <allan> something like a Hardware compability list or sth
[02:12] <ivar> Kamion,  ok thanks.. it's just that diskspace is a major issue for me right now.
[02:12] <looga> TerminX: i just checked my  /var/cache/apt/archives, are these files still in use?
[02:12] <BiSK-8> kamion: btw, the new distro of breezy, is it better than the 1 i downloaded 2 weeks ago?
[02:12] <ivar> has anyone measured diskspace usage of breezy vs. warty ?
[02:12] <irvin> BiSK-8, yes it is
[02:12] <Kamion> BiSK-8: various bugs fixed. you can upgrade to the release rather than having to download whole new CD sets
[02:12] <Belial-> BiSK-8: apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:13] <TerminX> looga: they're never in use unless you're installing the package ;p
[02:13] <TerminX> apt-get clean will remove all of them, apt-get autoclean will remove everything that isn't the current version IIRC
[02:13] <looga> Can someone tell me: after upgrading to breezy, what happens to all the packages that were in use in hoary, but not used anymore in breezy? are they automatically removed/uninstalled?
[02:14] <js_> archive.ubuntu.com is quite loaded, no?
[02:14] <BiSK-8> belial- i know, but i want it on my other hdd...
[02:14] <BiSK-8> + i want the install disk 2 add to my collection
[02:14] <Kamion> looga: depends whether anything conflicts with them. in general no, but in general we try to avoid gratuitously renaming packages, so ...
[02:14] <BiSK-8> ^^
[02:14] <BiSK-8> thx
[02:14] <looga> Kamion: so......?
[02:14] <looga> Kamion: i'm a newbie. i'm slow. please help me connect your dots.
[02:15] <Kamion> looga: if the package has the same name in breezy as in hoary, it will totally replace the old version
[02:15] <looga> Kamion:gotcha
[02:15] <allan> btw does Ubuntu and Debian use the same apt-get sources and do they both run the same .deb packs ?
[02:15] <apokryphos> looga: you can also use deborphan and debfoster for seeing if you have unused libraries/packages
[02:15] <Kamion> looga: it's only if a package is renamed, or deprecated completely (which is relatively rare) that the old package can stay around
[02:15] <looga> kamion, so there's no need for what TerminX's telling: autoclean and clean?
[02:15] <apokryphos> allan: they use the same apt system, but not the same apt sources
[02:15] <Belial-> Kamion: hoary packages are compiled with gcc 3.3.x? the C++ ABI changed so some binaries might not be compatible?
[02:15] <Kamion> allan: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship/document_view
[02:15] <Danoman> Are there any different between yesterdays 5.10 rc and the released 5.10 ?
[02:15] <Kamion> Belial-: correct
[02:16] <TerminX> looga: autoclean and clean don't uninstall packages
[02:16] <apokryphos> Danoman: yes
[02:16] <allan> Kamion: thx
[02:16] <TerminX> they remove the debs for old packages
[02:16] <Kamion> Danoman: yes, one week's stabilisation
[02:16] <apokryphos> Danoman: the RC is the release candidate released some time ago; the ones now are the shiny new Breezy ISOs
[02:16] <apokryphos> Danoman: of course you can just use apt to upgrade your system rather than re-downloading the new ISO
[02:16] <Kamion> which involved a number of changes
[02:17] <Kamion> apokryphos: FWIW, I do see the Kubuntu release on releases.u.c from here
[02:18] <apokryphos> Kamion: interesting; I'm getting a straight timeout on r.u.c now
[02:18] <Kamion> apokryphos: it's extremely busy
[02:18] <Seveas> !info  p0rn-comfort
[02:18] <Seveas> !info  p0rn-comfort breezy
[02:18] <Seveas> hehe the bot is not yet updated :)
[02:19] <apokryphos> can imagine; and it's not slashdoted yet even 8)
[02:19] <Kamion> thankyou slashdot for small mercies
[02:19] <apokryphos> Seveas: doubt he would be; haven't seen cafuego around today yet
[02:19] <Seveas> apokryphos, ever heard of crontab? ;)
[02:20] <Prof_Frink> Slashdotting == good for the torrents
[02:20] <Kamion> oh well, better than the 4.10 preview, where it was nearly impossible to do any work in the datacentre for two or three days afterwards
[02:20] <apokryphos> Seveas: blootbots never cease to amaze me =)
[02:21] <athlon> now that breezy is out, does that mean  ubuntu is once again synchronized with debian's repo ? iow, can I add sarge repo to my sources.list and expect most things to work fine ?
[02:21] <Seveas> athlon, no
[02:22] <looga> TerminX: what then do autoclean and clean do?
[02:22] <jhank> seveas: i was using your deb-source to install skype... it worked without any errors, but it takes ages until it has started... do you have an idea?
[02:22] <athlon> Seveas,  ouch, so whats the problem ?
[02:22] <Seveas> jhank, no, I don't use skype myself
[02:22] <apokryphos> jhank: skype takes notoriously long to start up unfortunately
[02:22] <TerminX> looga: I told you, they remove the debs for old packages
[02:23] <looga> TerminX: sorry .
[02:23] <jhank> sowhy is that?
[02:23] <Seveas> athlon, mixinf them is unneccessary and can lead to problems...
[02:23] <Jedrick> help pls.. how to configure shorewall?
[02:23] <looga> TerminX:  so debs from old packages aren't automatically removed?
[02:23] <TerminX> right.
[02:23] <looga> TerminX:  is there a reason to keep debs from old packages+
[02:23] <looga> ?
[02:23] <liable> Jedrick: theres great docs at there website..
[02:23] <satafterh> what that command for disrto upgraade
[02:23] <apokryphos> looga: you can use apt to remove them; see man apt-get
[02:23] <Danoman> anyone else than me that had problems with playing mp3 i xxms under rc 5.10? The songs are lagging?
[02:24] <apokryphos> satafterh: /topic
[02:24] <looga> satafterh: please read and follow the topic
[02:24] <Jedrick> ye but its so complicated.. im a newbie on linux i need someone to guide me :)
[02:24] <TerminX> looga: not really, unless you're running the devel branch
[02:24] <jhank> apokryphos do you know why that is the case in skype or what it doesn't load my contactlist on 1st start?
[02:24] <bubu> what do I do if my superuser passwd isnt accepted
[02:25] <looga> TerminX: do you recommend i do clean and autoclean before, after, or both before and after i upgrade to breezy?
[02:25] <apokryphos> jhank: haven't heard of that before I'm afraid
[02:25] <TerminX> you said you were low on disk space?
[02:25] <looga> TerminX: are you talking to me?
[02:25] <TerminX> yes..
[02:25] <jhank> apokryphos you mean the contactlist issue?
[02:25] <apokryphos> yes
[02:25] <bouil> i have a strange problem. I have burned breezy, i have checked the MD5 on the cd (on two differents readers), but when i try to install it to an empty pc, i got an installation error. Complaining about bad md5 for linux-restricted-modules and nvida-kernel-module....
[02:26] <looga> i have disk space, but even if i have 1,0000000000000 gigabytes, i want all the space that i can have.
[02:26] <looga> TerminX: see above line.
[02:26] <Jedrick> liable: what's the links for the shorewall site pls
[02:26] <jhank> apokryphos i'm wondering when skype will release a version which works properly ;)
[02:26] <apokryphos> looga: then remove all distributions :P
[02:26] <Seveas> jhank, when pigs fly
[02:26] <TerminX> well, if you don't mind redownloading a package in the rare circumstance you may need to reinstall it, run apt-get clean regularly :p
[02:27] <liable> Jedrick: cmon dude, google, jesus.
[02:27] <bouil> did somebody know how to resolve my problem.. ?
[02:27] <Seveas> looga, or set Apt::Get::Autoclean
[02:27] <apokryphos> looga: use apt-get to remove the debs in the respective folder, and use debfoster and deborphan as I said
[02:27] <jhank> seveas hehe you might be right...
[02:27] <looga> Seveas,do you recommend i do clean and autoclean before, after, or both before and after i upgrade to breezy?
[02:27] <apokryphos> jhank: I haven't used it for some time, but I was using the pack from klik (just to try it out) and it worked well
[02:28] <jhank> apokryphos is klik a source or what is it?
[02:28] <daloydoy> any solution of poor dot matrix printer output?
[02:28] <apokryphos> !klik
[02:28] <ubotu> hmm... klik is at  http://dot.kde.org/1126867980/
[02:28] <zenlinuxNH> Yahoo for breezy!
[02:28] <looga> Seveas: i don't see autoclean in hoary repos. Is autoclean only for breezy?
[02:28] <cafuego_> arrgh
[02:28] <jhank> okay thanks i'l give it a try
[02:28] <apokryphos> jhank: a truly revolutionary invention :)
[02:28] <cafuego_> zenlinuxNH: No, Yahoo is an evil empire
[02:29] <zenlinuxNH> :-/
[02:29] <looga> clean is not in hoary repositories either.
[02:29] <apokryphos> eh?
[02:29] <TerminX> ...they aren't programs
[02:29] <looga> apokryphos: how do i use apt-get to remove debs?
[02:29] <damo21> release party?
[02:29] <TerminX> you've used a terminal right?
[02:29] <damo21> :)
[02:29] <zenlinuxNH> But my question to everyone is: will YOU accept the "Extreme Ubuntu Install Challenge"?  http://www.zenlinux.com/ubuntu_challenge/
[02:29] <looga> TerminX: me?
[02:29] <apokryphos> looga: man apt-get
[02:29] <TerminX> looga: yes, you
[02:29] <jhank> apokryphos yes it seems so thanks mate
[02:29] <wezzer> is there a command that installs all default ubuntu packages
[02:29] <TerminX> looga: apt-get clean
[02:29] <wezzer> it seems that I have lost almost all of them
[02:29] <bubu> my  superuser password is lost. Can I reset it or something?
[02:29] <ivar> you guys are hilarious !
[02:30] <looga> TerminX: is apt-get for hoary?
[02:30] <apokryphos> wezzer: install ubuntu-desktop
[02:30] <wezzer> apokryphos: thanks
[02:30] <looga> TerminX: how come i can't find clean nor autoclean in synaptic?
[02:30] <apokryphos> looga: what does that mean? Does hoary have it, you mean? Of course.
[02:30] <damo21> LOL install challenge
[02:30] <TerminX> oh fsck this
[02:30] <ivar> iooga. autoclean is an argument
[02:30] <ivar> to apt-get
[02:30] <damo21> OMFG
[02:30] <Renski> zenlinuxNH: I accept your challenge
[02:31] <zenlinuxNH> nice! be sure to check out the videos
[02:31] <zenlinuxNH> :)
[02:31] <ivar> that will set apt-get on oyur unnecessary/cached packaged
[02:31] <haf> can anyone help me? with apt-get, using the TAB key doesn't work with "breezy", it doesn't complete my written stuff
[02:31] <damo21> zenlinux u geek
[02:31] <looga> apokryphos: how come i can't find autoclean nor clean in synaptic?
[02:31] <apokryphos> haf: you need to enable bash autocompletion
[02:31] <damo21> :)
[02:31] <cafuego> stupid terminal
[02:31] <ivar> haf, i'm sure someone can help you, as long as you don't ask about autoclean ;)
[02:31] <zenlinuxNH> indeed: my cube at work is decorated with Ubuntu logos
[02:31] <apokryphos> looga: because it's a feature synaptic lacks
[02:31] <michael> hey, how come when i just installed breezy there were two erase whole disk options, one referring to lvm?
[02:31] <looga> apokryphos:
[02:31] <looga> apokryphos: i see.
[02:32] <looga> apokryphos:do you recommend i do clean and autoclean before, after, or both before and after i upgrade to breezy?
[02:32] <cafuego> michael: If you're masochistically incined you can use LVM instead of just partitions.
[02:32] <bubu> damnit. how do I fix a lost su password?
[02:32] <apokryphos> looga: if you're low on space, before. If you've got plenty -- just after
[02:32] <haf> thanks, I'll try to find out how to activate the autocompletion (did this once on kanotix *g*)
[02:32] <apokryphos> bubu: sudo passwd
[02:32] <zoot_> [LethAL] : re the gksudo and synaptic - had to be running a WM (which creates the Xauthority file) - so I installed WDM and all's well :)
[02:32] <damo21> base-installer: error: exiting on error base-installer/kernel/failed-initrd-tools-install ??
[02:32] <bubu> k
[02:32] <irvin> bubu: boot in recovery mode
[02:32] <looga> apokryphos: if i do it after, will it be as effective as doing it before?
[02:32] <allan> Is there any place I could check if a pcmcia Wireless card is working with Ubuntu? - I wanna buy a new one but I'd like to make sure it works
[02:32] <apokryphos> haf: edit .bashrc and enter ". /etc/bash_completion"
[02:33] <cafuego> crud, au.archive is being _hammered_
[02:33] <apokryphos> looga: if you do it after it will remove *all* debs that apt got -- you can view them in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[02:33] <damo21> i cant get breezy on my laptop it keeps failing
[02:33] <El_Che> cafuego: duh :)
[02:33] <Kamion> damo21: alt-f3 and look for error messages there
[02:33] <haf> thank you :)
[02:33] <apokryphos> looga: if you do it before you will just be removing them in two stages
[02:33] <Kamion> damo21: smells of a scratched CD or a dirty CD drive to me, though
[02:33] <looga> apokryphos: so i'm just wasting time by doing it before, right?
[02:34] <apokryphos> looga: slightly
[02:34] <looga> apokryphos: why slightly?
[02:34] <apokryphos> looga: you wouldn't be if you didn't have enough space to cope with all the .debs
[02:34] <Kamion> michael: was part of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallerVolumeManagement
[02:35] <cafuego> long live the internode mirror :-)
[02:35] <Kamion> in retrospect that goal didn't really achieve everything we set out to achieve with it
[02:35] <looga> apokryphos: i understand. since i have much space, i could just do it after.
[02:35] <damo21> Kamion: can u help me im not sure what to do with this
[02:35] <apokryphos> indeed
[02:35] <basvg> hi guys, during the install of breezy I had a nice graphical bootsplash.... but now that the install is completely finished I noticed that the text scrolls by again
[02:35] <basvg> does anyone know how to get the graphical bootsplash back?
[02:35] <damo21> packages have unmet dependencies
[02:35] <apokryphos> basvg: hm, that shouldn't have happened
[02:36] <basvg> apokryphos: what shouldn't have happened?
[02:36] <Taliesin`> (cafuego): internode finally have it updated huh?
[02:36] <apokryphos> basvg: do you have usplash? dpkg -l|grep usplash  ...gives?
[02:36] <Kamion> damo21: well, there should be dpkg output on alt-f3 about the installation of initramfs-tools
[02:36] <apokryphos> basvg: you should still have the usplash, that is.
[02:36] <Taliesin`> (cafuego): wasnt updated 2 hours ago :P FileArena was cranking with the updates thou *yeay*
[02:36] <basvg> lemme check
[02:36] <Kamion> damo21: does it look like that was successful, or are there error messages?
[02:36] <basvg> apokryphos: it claims that is installed (0.1-22)...
[02:37] <Kamion> damo21: oh, "packages have unmet dependencies", didn't see that. Is it more specific than that?
[02:37] <michael> woah, not complaining, just curious, does anyone else get only with ubuntu, the forward and refresh buttons in firefox being the back arrow?
[02:37] <damo21> Kamion: it says base-config: Depends: gettext-base but is not going to be installed
[02:37] <basvg> apokryphos: perhaps I should reinstall (apt-get --reinstall install usplash) ?
[02:37] <apokryphos> basvg: nope; that sounds right
[02:37] <looga> i'm going to take the plunge into breezy now. i'm nervous.
[02:37] <Kamion> damo21: ok, sounds like something failed earlier on; I'd (a) try burning your CD at a lower speed, (b) if that doesn't help, invest in a CD / CD-drive cleaning kit
[02:38] <Kamion> because we do know that all the packages in the released images are installable
[02:38] <basvg> apokryphos: it seems that usplash doesn't have a man-page.. any thoughts on where I Can start looking?
[02:38] <apokryphos> basvg: try doing a sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r`
[02:38] <damo21> Kamion: yeah i wish i had a few blanks this stupid rw cd is buggered
[02:38] <damo21> :P
[02:40] <damo21> how do i unmount the cdrom during the install to eject?
[02:40] <basvg> apokryphos: ah, that claims `searching for splash image .... none found`
[02:40] <michael> so lvm is a risky option on the installer then, yeah?
[02:40] <damo21> ive dropped to the terminal but i dont have many tools
[02:40] <Renski> basvg: permissions of the splash image?
[02:40] <Renski> or/and folder?
[02:41] <damo21> cant even find fstab
[02:41] <Renski> basvg, nether do I
[02:41] <apokryphos> basvg: that actually doesn't mean it doesn't work, as far as I know -- mine has always said that (and it has for others too), while it still works.
[02:41] <cafuego> dpkg -L usplash | grep so
[02:41] <Renski> basvg: chmod 777 /* -R
[02:41] <Renski> :p
[02:41] <wrabbit> hey again... I'm having a little trouble. At times... when I ask to shutdown, it freezes towards the end and just sits there.  Any idea as to why?
[02:41] <cafuego> It's not trivial to change it.
[02:41] <Kamion> damo21: umount /cdrom; eject
[02:41] <Kamion> ... should do it
[02:42] <cafuego> Or did you mean grub splash? Just in /boot/grub/splashimages/* and referece the file in the menu.lst file.
[02:42] <damo21> kamion:  /bin/sh: eject: not found
[02:42] <damo21> lol
[02:42] <os2mac> stupid question.... what happens when I run the install disk on my winxp boxen?
[02:42] <Kamion> damo21: anna-install eject-udeb, try again
[02:42] <basvg> I mean the nice ubuntu logo displayed on the center of the screen while the <service> [ok]  messages scroll by
[02:43] <wrabbit> os2mac, it'll ask if you want to install over a particular partition etc
[02:43] <occy> w00p
[02:43] <wrabbit> pretty step by step
[02:43] <apokryphos> basvg: see if it works now
[02:43] <basvg> the dpkg -L camed up with a /usr/lib/something... that file exsits and has -rw--r--r-- permissions
[02:43] <damo21> anna-install!!! wow
[02:43] <wrabbit> anybody running xfce4?
[02:43] <Kamion> os2mac: it should also offer automatic resizing of your WinXP partition to fit Ubuntu into the free space
[02:43] <damo21> :)
[02:43] <Hendric> breezy is out!! woah!!!!
[02:43] <basvg> apokryphos: ok, before trying anything else I'll reboot
[02:43] <Kamion> damo21: (this is dodgy installer hacking, but never mind)
[02:43] <wrabbit> if so.... do you find it alot quicker than gnome?
[02:44] <damo21> hehe
[02:44] <vengeful> wrabbit, yes
[02:44] <basvg> yes!!
[02:44] <wrabbit> vengeful, you're using it now?
[02:44] <basvg> the reconfigure thingy fixed it!
[02:44] <gasher> help
[02:44] <vengeful> yes
[02:45] <apokryphos> basvg: excellent; thought so :)
[02:45] <Aravi> Just installed ubuntu on my laptop, during the install I wasn't prompted for a root password.
[02:45] <gasher> proble; with dreanwear
[02:45] <basvg> apokryphos: thanks buddy!
[02:45] <apokryphos> !tell Aravi about root
[02:45] <Renski> Aravi: you dont need one
[02:45] <vengeful> aravi..welcome to sudo
[02:45] <wrabbit> vengeful: apt-get install xfce4? Will I have to change operatin systems or is it still Ubuntu
[02:45] <os2mac> Release just hit slashdot.... stand by for the smoking server
[02:45] <vengeful> i did it from synaptic...but should be same :-P
[02:45] <Renski> Aravi: when ever you want to do something in root, prefix the command with sudo
[02:45] <vengeful> just log out when its installed
[02:46] <wrabbit> so just a restart'll do it
[02:46] <vengeful> yeh
[02:46] <Renski> e.g. sudo vim /etc/samba/smb.conf
[02:46] <Aravi> sudo: unable to lookup aegis by gethostbyname()
[02:46] <wrabbit> is it easy to get back to gnome if I don't like it
[02:46] <wrabbit> ?
[02:46] <gasher> i have just install coldfusionmx7 on my system
[02:46] <apokryphos> os2mac: ouch 8)
[02:46] <vengeful> yeps wrabbit
[02:46] <os2mac> I didn't post it...
[02:46] <wrabbit> alrighty.... I'll try it now
[02:46] <os2mac> I promise.
[02:46] <wrabbit> cheers
[02:46] <vengeful> you select which one u wanna login with
[02:46] <Renski> Aravi: whats the full command you just used?
[02:46] <sheera_22f> hi
[02:46] <vengeful> at the login screen
[02:46] <wrabbit> vengeful, really? that's awesome.
[02:47] <gasher> but i can locate /opt/coldfusionmx7/bin
[02:47] <Aravi> sudo modprobe tg3
[02:47] <mwe> Aravi: that's nothing to worry to much about, probably /etc/hosts needs tweaking
[02:47] <wrabbit> vengeful, will I have to set it up manually or will it automatically give me the options?  I'm asking now because knowing my luck, I won't be able to get it working
[02:47] <gasher> can some one help me
[02:47] <mwe> !tell Aravi about root
[02:47] <vengeful> it does it all for you
[02:47] <Renski> Aravi: sounds like a problem with modprobe rather than sudo then
[02:47] <wrabbit> gasher, better to just ask the main question than ask to ask a question
[02:47] <wrabbit> vengeful, Thanks! off to try now
[02:47] <Aravi> it happens regardless of command.
[02:47] <vengeful> just logout..select session..click xfce
[02:48] <vengeful> and then login
[02:48] <wrabbit> k
[02:48] <joachim_> first time I put in the breezy install CD, it popped up a dialog asking me if I wanted to upgrade from it.... how do I get that to happen again?
[02:48] <wrabbit> I'll be back if it works
[02:48] <Aravi> At the moment it isn't detecting either network (ethernet or WiFi)
[02:48] <gasher> the problem i cannot get coldfusion to start
[02:48] <Renski> Aravi: thats insane, sudo has no business using gethostbyname()
[02:48] <Aravi> Both are Broadcom, ethernet uses the tg3 driver
[02:49] <mwe> Aravi: sudo should work regardless of the warning that it can't look up your hostname
[02:49] <vengeful> ethernet should be ok
[02:49] <vengeful> open up networking
[02:49] <vengeful> see whats in there
[02:49] <Aravi> No devices detected
[02:49] <damo21> i burnt the cd at 4x but still having problems :(
[02:49] <vengeful> oh unlucky
[02:49] <vengeful> you on breezy?
[02:49] <Aravi> Yep
[02:49] <Aravi> Downloaded it an hour ago.
[02:50] <Aravi> ifconfig returns nothing, not even lo
[02:50] <juxella> hello ppl.... finished installing breezy on a dell Optiplex620 with X300SE graphics... X startup breaks with "no screens found"
[02:50] <gasher> wrabbit i cannot start coldfusionmx7
[02:50] <gasher> no such directory found
[02:50] <gasher> wat shd i do?
[02:51] <allan> I have a laptop with a Pentium 3 600 Mhz, 4mb video and 64mb ram (i can extend the ram to 256) - Will Breezy even run on it? :P
[02:51] <gasher> help
[02:51] <gasher> help guys
[02:51] <gasher> i need help
[02:51] <damo21> juxella u need to edit /etc/xorg.conf or run the xorg-configure thing again
[02:51] <vengeful> video might be a prob
[02:51] <apokryphos> !helpme
[02:51] <ubotu> If you don't actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[02:51] <gasher> i ve to work on this for my project
[02:51] <gasher> pls help
[02:51] <allan> damn
[02:51] <apokryphos> gasher: please don't be annoying
[02:51] <bwlang> allan: sure... but i'd recommend that you use a window manger other than gnome... try blackbox
[02:51] <Aravi> gasher, exactly what is wrong
[02:51] <juxella> damo21: i have no clue how to edit that (what should i setup).... can you give me more info?
[02:51] <allan> bwlang: thx
[02:51] <apokryphos> gasher: just ask your question; if someone is able/willing to help, they will. :)
[02:51] <RedGhost> new boot gui is nice
[02:51] <avalost> no, blackbox is obsolete
[02:52] <gasher> i just install coldfusionmx7
[02:52] <allan> what then ?
[02:52] <avalost> use fluxbox instead or openbox
[02:52] <allan> k
[02:52] <gasher> apache en everything works
[02:52] <Aravi> hmm, can't add hostname to /etc/hosts
[02:52] <damo21> someone tell juxella about xorg.conf
[02:52] <gasher> but i can locate /opt/coldfusionmx7/bin
[02:53] <gasher> to start it
[02:54] <juxella> eh, im going to try and do it by hand, its wierd tho, its the first time the xorg installation broke from the box... and im using a preety standard graphix... eh. hope i fix it soon
[02:54] <DShepherd> does anyone know how I can install Firefox 1.5beta2 with synaptic (apt-get)?
[02:55] <sk545> are there any other apt mirrors besides archive.ubuntu.com?
[02:55] <haro> I can not see any charactors in my firefox...
[02:55] <haro> What can I do?
[02:56] <damo21> is there a tool to find the fastest apt mirror?
[02:56] <erchache> hhhheeeeeellllllp
[02:56] <erchache> i upgrade a server from hoary to breezy and crash
[02:56] <haro> I am ok
[02:56] <erchache> i cant start server.....i test on resuce mode change
[02:57] <DShepherd> does anyone know how I can install Firefox 1.5beta2 with synaptic (apt-get)?
[02:57] <haro> but  Syaptic desn't work
[02:57] <erchache> mwe: arent breezy stable or what?
[02:57] <apokryphos> Breezy is now stable, yes.
[02:57] <haro> My Firefox even has not menu
[02:57] <liable> apt-spy
[02:57] <erchache> but my server crash on upgrade....
[02:57] <ktogias> DShepherd, I dont see Firefox 1.5beta2 anywhere in the repositories... So i think you can't
[02:57] <erchache> many dependeces was broken
[02:57] <erchache> i try to reboot
[02:57] <erchache> and cant.....fuck!
[02:58] <haro> can't see anything...
[02:58] <occy> erchache, you upgrading?
[02:58] <apokryphos> erchache: rebooting wouldn't help; and language, please :)
[02:58] <erchache> yeah
[02:58] <ktogias> DShepherd, but you can try the installer given from mozilla.org
[02:58] <occy> erchache, or installing from scratch?
[02:58] <GNAM> ausauas
[02:58] <erchache> i try to mount my hd but i cant
[02:58] <GNAM> upgrade of a so NEVER WORKS
[02:58] <erchache> because are using xfs
[02:58] <snadge> what happened to the dvd release? :p
[02:58] <allan1> i think that it might be a wiser choice for me to upgrade my laptop
[02:58] <GNAM> this law is for every so
[02:59] <GNAM> format and reinstall.
[02:59] <liable> so?
[02:59] <DShepherd> ktogias: Yeah I was thinking about that...I have had probs in the pass...oh well I give it a whirl
[02:59] <GNAM> os
[02:59] <GNAM> asusausausau
[02:59] <apokryphos> GNAM: so?
[02:59] <erchache> gnam: i can upgrade my laptops....and servers.....with hoary
[02:59] <GNAM> ;)
[02:59] <apokryphos> GNAM: absolute rubbish
[02:59] <erchache> but breeze.....crash
[02:59] <liable> works fin usually..
[02:59] <apokryphos> GNAM: a stable -> stable dist-upgrade is fully supported
[02:59] <liable> fine.
[02:59] <occy> I guess I can try the upgrade...
[02:59] <allan1> will all the wizards and user friendly stuff still be available in fluxbox/openbox ?
[02:59] <liable> no
[02:59] <occy> but... the wiki doesn't show it as being a fully supported option
[03:00] <damo21> how do i check a cdroms filesystem
[03:00] <apokryphos> occy: show what? A dist-upgrade?
[03:00] <apokryphos> occy: it sure is
[03:00] <damo21> for error
[03:00] <occy> apix, yeah... check topic
[03:00] <occy> errr
[03:00] <kenon> can anyone help me with mdadm?
[03:00] <occy> apokryphos, check topic
[03:00] <erchache> i make a dist-upgrade.....and fails for dependence broken
[03:00] <occy> http://tinyurl.com/74xlu
[03:00] <zenlinuxNH> Okay guys, I just posted the Extreme Ubuntu Install Challenge as a comment on the Slashdot article. Please help mod it up!
[03:00] <erchache> i restarrt system.....and hangs!
[03:00] <damo21> fsck /media/cdrom wont work
[03:00] <damo21> what can i use
[03:00] <wezzer> hey, is it possible that one of ubuntu mirrors _might_ not have updated packages>?
[03:00] <solemn-laptop> why is ubuntu so broken?
[03:01] <apokryphos> occy: yes, what's the problem?
[03:01] <wezzer> because that would explain all my problems
[03:01] <liable> hah
[03:01] <occy> Quote: "Note: This is a work in progress and may break your system!!!"
[03:01] <occy> heh
[03:01] <solemn-laptop> i mean you took a working distro called deb and broke it
[03:01] <apokryphos> occy: it needs to be updated then
[03:01] <solemn-laptop> why? :\
[03:01] <erchache> i get files from es mirror
[03:01] <occy> That doesn't sound like something that is "fully supported"
[03:01] <occy> apokryphos, :)
[03:01] <apokryphos> occy: my statement holds true though
[03:01] <erchache> fuck....
[03:01] <liable> solemn-laptop: dont use it then..
[03:01] <solemn-laptop> i dont
[03:01] <occy> apokryphos, k, I hope you are right.
[03:01] <apokryphos> erchache: please watch your language =)
[03:01] <selinium> solemn-laptop, Why are you here then?
[03:01] <apokryphos> occy: yes, I am; changing it now.
[03:01] <occy> apokryphos, thanks bud
[03:01] <solemn-laptop> dunno
[03:01] <damo21> he is watching his bad language
[03:02] <damo21> appear as text
[03:02] <solemn-laptop> because im bored i think
[03:02] <erchache> i lost 2 weeks of hard work!
[03:02] <occy> damo21, heh, scroll by on the screen?
[03:02] <damo21> :)
[03:02] <occy> erchache, did you backup before you upgraded?
[03:02] <apokryphos> damo21: sorry to hear that you're not familiar with the stock expression
[03:02] <selinium> solemn-laptop, I take it by your statement you are a debian user then?
[03:02] <liable> solemn-laptop: no need to troll.
[03:02] <occy> erchache, always, always, always backup before you do anything.  :(
[03:02] <solemn-laptop> possibly :)
[03:02] <erchache> nope....lammer im
[03:02] <occy> erchache, those USB drives are super cheap now.
[03:02] <erchache> yeah
[03:02] <occy> erchache, sorry :(
[03:02] <selinium> solemn-laptop, move to ubuntu-offtopic see you there
[03:03] <erchache> i must to did a dd of all my partitions!
[03:03] <erchache> i dont have initrd
[03:03] <occy> erchache, But use this as a hard learned lesson.
[03:03] <damo21> apokryphos: just reading things literally :) its fun
[03:03] <erchache> and stay on a rescue sesion
[03:03] <erchache> yeah
[03:03] <occy> erchache, look into unison
[03:03] <occy> erchache, it rocks.
[03:03] <occy> unison-gtk is pretty cool too...
[03:03] <occy> (though it's a crappily laid out application)
[03:03] <DShepherd> Where Can I find a list of the major software that ubuntu breezy ships with
[03:03] <erchache> i dont use x on my servers
[03:03] <damo21> does anyone know how to check if my ubuntu cd is ok?
[03:04] <occy> erchache, you use Ubuntu on your servers?
[03:04] <hanno> Hi. Is one of you using Ubuntu within a LAN of Windows computers? I'm having questions how to work with SMB-shares in Nautilus.
[03:04] <erchache> yeah
[03:04] <DShepherd> damo21: no
[03:04] <damo21> i did md5sum on the iso
[03:04] <occy> erchache, crazy
[03:04] <occy> heh
[03:04] <erchache> better than debian
[03:04] <erchache> more fast
[03:04] <erchache> and reliable
[03:04] <liable> what?
[03:04] <DShepherd> damo21: Is the cd damaged?
[03:04] <occy> I've just stuck with Debian for servers.
[03:04] <damo21> i think so
[03:04] <DShepherd> damo21: Why do you think so?
[03:04] <btdown> Seveas you there?
[03:04] <thechitowncubs> hi
[03:04] <liable> faster and more reliable? you got to be joking..
[03:04] <occy> I didn't think Ubuntu was geared toward a server.
[03:05] <damo21> because it said i/o error when copying files
[03:05] <DShepherd> damo21: Do you have the iso elsewhere?
[03:05] <damo21> i have the iso fine on my HDD
[03:05] <Juxella> hello ppl..
[03:05] <Skid> i pref debian over ubuntu as a server
[03:05] <occy> heh
[03:05] <Skid> infact, i'd not run ubuntu as a server, until it's a little older :) (production server)
[03:05] <DShepherd> damo21: Burn it again on another cd and you 'll know for sure
[03:05] <Skid> but im probably paraniod heh
[03:05] <Juxella> i had a problem with xorg before, looks like changing the ATI drivers for VESA helped the problem> are ATI drivers broken_
[03:06] <damo21> dshephard: little problem i dont have any more
[03:06] <defendguin> hi im looking for an ubuntu boot floppy  i took the cdrom drive out of my laptop and missplaced it
[03:06] <erchache> but if i can access to partitons.....
[03:06] <damo21> dshephard: only this cdrw
[03:06] <DShepherd> damo21: ok...hmm...
[03:06] <erchache> and has all data
[03:06] <erchache> how i can recover kernel and all boot process files?
[03:06] <kenon> can anyone help me with mdadm (software raid)?
[03:06] <looga> Is 2726B/s for apt-get of dist upgrade slow?
[03:06] <Skid> plus i dont like how it handles kernels :)
[03:07] <DShepherd> damo21: Well.. There's only one way to fix that problem. Get another
[03:07] <twoknee> i have a folder full of ttf fonts that i want to add to the system wide font folder however i cannot mount /media/sda1 as a normal user (its ntfs i believe) and copy it into fonts:///
[03:07] <DShepherd> damo21: from a friend maybe
[03:07] <thechitowncubs> can't ubuntu see how many users there are roughly by the stats from apt-get?
[03:07] <DShepherd> damo21: buy maybe
[03:07] <damo21> DShephard: maybe i do full erase of cdrw try burning at 1x
[03:07] <damo21> :P
[03:07] <fredforfaen> is it really nessesary to run a firewall in linux if you dont have any services running that can be accsessed?
[03:07] <Juxella> another question > can i run the A64/SMP kernel on a Intel 830D procesor (dualcore, EM64T extensions?)
[03:07] <liable> erchache: are you sure you should be running a server?
[03:07] <DShepherd> damo21: try that....but it sounds like your cd is bad
[03:07] <looga> My terminal is still at "0% [Waiting for headers] " after 2 minutes. Is this normal???
[03:07] <erchache> a sun fire v65
[03:08] <damo21> yes
[03:08] <DShepherd> damo21: try cleaning it and burning again
[03:08] <erchache> liable: a sun fire v65
[03:08] <damo21> yup
[03:08] <thechitowncubs> fredforfaen,no
[03:08] <erchache> xeon....raid scsi
[03:08] <DShepherd> damo21: how many times have you tried already?
[03:08] <erchache> and 2 gigabits
[03:08] <erchache> on 2gb ram
[03:08] <erchache> ecc
[03:08] <damo21> only once
[03:08] <looga> okay, it's making progress again.
[03:08] <fredforfaen> thechitowncubs ok , and your sure about this :)
[03:08] <damo21> burnt at 4x
[03:08] <fredforfaen> ?
[03:08] <ivar> gah, this is a bad time to upgrade.. the repo is being hammered
[03:09] <DShepherd> damo21: try again ....it just might work....call a fren and borrow one from them..just in case
[03:09] <apokryphos> yup
[03:09] <DShepherd> damo21: good luck!
[03:09] <damo21> :)
[03:09] <twoknee> anyone know how to move fonts from a windows /dev/sda1 after mounting as root to a user run gnome in fonts:///
[03:09] <looga> ivar: then when is a good time to upgrade? 2 weeks from now?
[03:09] <DShepherd> Where Can I find a list of the major software that ubuntu breezy ships with
[03:09] <erchache> im going to fight with my server config
[03:09] <erchache> bye
[03:09] <ivar> looga, i'd say so.. yeah
[03:09] <looga> ivar: are you going to wait that long?
[03:09] <ivar> looga, either that or get a cd via torrent
[03:10] <looga> ivar: why not just  upgrade in the background?
[03:10] <DShepherd> ivar: now is a good time to upgrade
[03:10] <ivar> looga, no, i've already started .. my system would be hosed if I stopped now :|
[03:10] <looga> ivar: i wish i could get a cd via torrent, but my pc doesn't burn cds.
[03:10] <DShepherd> ivar: there's no need to wait, breezy should be stable
[03:10] <looga> ivar, what do you mean by "hosed"?
[03:10] <ivar> DShepherd, i just meant the the repsoitory is very very slow
[03:10] <shutdownrunner> Does anyone know how to get HP Laserjet 1020 to work under Breezy?
[03:10] <ktogias> twoknee, doesn't just draging them at fonts:/// under nautilus work?
[03:10] <DShepherd> ivar:  ok
[03:10] <DShepherd> Where Can I find a list of the major software that ubuntu breezy ships with
[03:11] <looga> shutdownrunner: first, connect the printer to your computer.
[03:11] <apokryphos> looga: as in, many people are using the servers currently, so it's crippling them oO
[03:11] <ivar> looga, there are some major changes between breezy and warty... if half my packages are upgraded, the whole thing starts to stink
[03:11] <shutdownrunner> thanks looga. I didn't know it
[03:11] <looga> ivar, so no turning around now. for you and for me.
[03:11] <xukun> I just downloaded the breezy cd, how can I now uprade to breezy? Do I need to reinstall everything?
[03:11] <ivar> looga, let's just hope it doesn't get /,'ed
[03:11] <looga> shutdownrunner: that's pretty much how much quality in advice i can give, as a newbie
[03:12] <looga> ivar: if it does... what will happen.
[03:12] <looga> ?
[03:12] <liable> you get pwned
[03:12] <ivar> looga, the transfer speed will go down to nothing (or very close to it)
[03:12] <looga> i have 22 hours to go for upgrade. yippee
[03:13] <twoknee> ktogias no that is not working
[03:13] <looga> wish ubuntu had MORE bandwidth
[03:13] <apokryphos> looga: it's quite safe to stop the upgrade while it's still only downloading packs
[03:13] <twoknee> i can mount /dev/sda1 as /media/sda1 which contains my ttf.  but for some reason i can't get the fonts into the fonts:/// directory
[03:14] <ivar> looga, it's actually well supllied.. it doesn't make sense to make too many affordances for such anomalous traffic spikes (that's what bittorrent is for..)
[03:14] <aftertaf> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[03:14] <aftertaf>     <------- why is this error after every apt-get?
[03:14] <looga> apokryphos: i see no good reason to stop. Better slowly than never.
[03:14] <xukun> guys please advice. Do I need to reinstall everything, or can I just upgrade to breezy?
[03:14] <apokryphos> looga: you could stop if you wanted to retry later, but either way.. really.
[03:14] <looga> ivar: if i could use bittorrent without having to burn the stuff on a CD, I would. But I don't have a CD burner, so i have no choice.
[03:14] <DShepherd> xukun: I prefer to reinstall but its safe to upgrade
[03:15] <aftertaf> xukun:  with the cd?   you can use apt-setup to add it as a repository
[03:15] <twoknee> what folder on ubuntu are the standard ttf located ?  i can copy from command line just fine.
[03:15] <shutdownrunner> looga: just download ubuntu via torrent and mount cd iso as a loop
[03:15] <ivar> looga, you can actually mount a CD image that's on your harddrive
[03:15] <twoknee> from terminal
[03:15] <ivar> i wish i'd done that
[03:15] <irvin> is there any particular package i'd have to download to setup a private gpg keyserver?
[03:16] <Hendric> no DVD for breezy available yet??
[03:16] <vengeful> i think someone said a few days after official release
[03:17] <Belial-> Hendric: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/release/
[03:17] <looga> shutdownrunner: ivar. I CAN? Aaaagh!
[03:17] <yancheng> is the back-port extra in the mirrormax fail??
[03:17] <thechitowncubs> Why would there be a dvd anyways?
[03:17] <Belial-> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/release/ubuntu-5.10-dvd-i386.iso
[03:17] <Belial-> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/release/ubuntu-5.10-dvd-i386.iso.torrent
[03:17] <looga> anyway, it's an "aaagh" only because of my impatience.
[03:17] <apokryphos> thechitowncubs: for live+install+other features that couldn't fit
[03:17] <ivar> looga, with linux, you can do almost anything.. :)
[03:18] <BockBilbo> hello
[03:18] <BockBilbo> i get error processing xserver-xorg (--remove):
[03:18] <BockBilbo>  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
[03:18] <BockBilbo>  reinstall it before attempting a removal. when dist upgrading to breezy
[03:18] <sexcopter8000m> what should i use to burn the iso to disc?
[03:18] <Hendric> d difference between DVD and CD is that it contains all architecture?? no special packagees???
[03:18] <BockBilbo> (sorry for the flood)
[03:18] <looga> ivar,but with my unLinuxed brain, you can't.
[03:18] <shutdownrunner> looga: you download an iso. an then sth like mount -t iso9660 -o loop,user /mnt/something /path/to/your/iso
[03:18] <zoot_> anyone know how to enable xdmcp?
[03:18] <apokryphos> sexcopter8000m: k3b is good
[03:18] <Hendric> if nothing special about the difference.. i better grab the CD iso...
[03:18] <xukun> can I move my home partion to other partion?
[03:18] <BockBilbo> how can i reinstall it?
[03:18] <sexcopter8000m> ty apokryphos, just couldn't remember that name :)
[03:18] <looga> shutdownrunner: okay. i think I'll just wait for the apt-get upgrade to do its slow work.
[03:19] <shutdownrunner> looga: use a mirror if you think that the official server is too busy
[03:20] <btdown> xdmcp System > Administration > Login Screen setup > Security
[03:20] <zoot_> how to start/configure XDMCP?
[03:20] <bugzElMagnifico> howdy folks, I've been trying for some time now(without success) to make Rhythmbox play mp3 files using a fresh install of Ubuntu 5.04. Any suggestions?
[03:20] <Cavallo>  where I can set other language keyboard layout at KDE login ?
[03:20] <BockBilbo> bugzElMagnifico, read the wiki
[03:20] <BockBilbo> !RestrictedFormats
[03:20] <ubotu> I guess restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[03:20] <DShepherd> xukun: Why do you want to do that?
[03:20] <bugzElMagnifico> BockBilbo, OK... tks
[03:21] <looga> shutdownrunner: too late.
[03:21] <btdown> zoot_ xdmcp System > Administration > Login Screen setup > Security
[03:21] <looga> shutdownrunner: i'll just wait for apt-get to finish.
[03:21] <xukun> DShepherd, I want to save my home directory, becouse I,m going to install breezy?
[03:22] <shutdownrunner> looga: not too late. cancel your download. change mirror and update package information. and resume downloadin packages. you'll get some errors when you cancel, but you shouldn't worry about it
[03:22] <DShepherd> xukun: where do yu want to put it?
[03:22] <zoot_> btdown: thx, but i'm running wdm and xfce, not gnome/gdm... hmmm - at least you've hinted - there must be a wdm config somewhere :)
[03:22] <RedGhost> gah
[03:22] <RedGhost> i just installed ubuntu via VMware
[03:22] <RedGhost> and all my sound stopped working in windows
[03:23] <looga> shutdownrunner: are you sure?
[03:23] <RedGhost> also no sound works in ubuntu
[03:23] <looga> shutdownrunner: where do i find list of mirrors?
[03:23] <btdown> ah ok sorry homie...I gave it a shot...
[03:23] <xukun> DShepherd, from /dev/hdb7 to /dev/hda5
[03:23] <mwright1night> Is breezy released
[03:23] <RedGhost> yes
[03:23] <btdown> yes
[03:23] <looga> mwright1night: you betcha
[03:24] <shutdownrunner> looga: yes. if you don't believe me see /var/cache/apt/archives. firt synaptic downloads the packages and then installs them
[03:24] <joni__> ubuntu+vmware+bluetooth freezes the whole system. is this a known problem?
[03:24] <DShepherd> man mv
[03:24] <Shinjan> hi folks
[03:24] <aftertaf> why is libgtk1.2-dev available, but not libgtk2.0-dev
[03:24] <DShepherd> xukun: you can just right click and copy the folder and paste it where you want it
[03:25] <shutdownrunner> looga: mirrors https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[03:25] <DShepherd> xukun: what is the filesystem type used on /dev/hda5?
[03:25] <saik0> Huzzah for Breezy!
[03:26] <xukun> DShepherd, fat32
[03:26] <Kira> I don't know where to ask, so I'll ask here. What's the big fuss about legacy usb support?
[03:26] <Kira> Is it downright buggy or what?
[03:26] <eXtreme22> hellp
[03:26] <eXtreme22> ppl
[03:26] <eXtreme22> i install ubuntu
[03:26] <eXtreme22> :)
[03:26] <eXtreme22> but my modem
[03:27] <saik0> ubotu: tell eXtreme22 about ask
[03:27] <eXtreme22> is winmodem
[03:27] <eXtreme22> smartlink
[03:27] <DShepherd> xukun: Cut and past should work
[03:27] <eXtreme22> i install driver
[03:27] <cafuego_> Ah, is there an official breezy cd label out anywhere, for disc printing?
[03:27] <eXtreme22> sl-modem-daemon
[03:27] <eXtreme22> and KPPP
[03:27] <eXtreme22> Query modem work
[03:27] <haro> ...
[03:27] <leigh_anne> hi
[03:27] <eXtreme22> but when i try connect on net
[03:27] <eXtreme22> ATDTnumber
[03:27] <eXtreme22> and fail
[03:27] <eXtreme22> ?
[03:28] <looga> Hey all: my terminal is currently in the "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" process. It's running quite slow. Would it be safe to cancel the process and then switch mirrors to a mirror in the country I'm currently in?
[03:28] <cafuego_> looga: yep. just run a 'sudo apt-get update' in between to fetch new lists.
[03:28] <saik0> looga: as long as it's downloading and not installing thats not a problem at all
[03:28] <Swearingen> does ubuntu ship with a mp3 codec?
[03:28] <cafuego_> saik0: Even if it's installing it's not usually a problem (libc6 excepted ;-)
[03:28] <saik0> obotu: tell Swearingen about mp3
[03:28] <rizla> hi folks
[03:29] <looga> saiko, how do i know if' it's in downloading stage or installing stage?
[03:29] <apoZ`> sudo apt-get update to upgrade ???
[03:29] <cafuego_> looga: just ctrl-c it, it will be fine.
[03:29] <rizla> i don't find w32codecs... what repo do i have to add?
[03:29] <looga> cafuego: i'm scared.
[03:29] <cafuego_> looga: don't be.
[03:29] <eXtreme22> hellp
[03:29] <saik0> looga, what cafuego_ said, _should_ be fine
[03:29] <Swearingen> heh
[03:29] <looga> cafuego: i don't want to pay the price just because of my impatience
[03:30] <patrik> anyone who cantell me how to copy a directory?
[03:30] <mwright1night> Is "Teacherspet" included wth edubuntu?
[03:30] <apoZ`> 'sudo apt-get update' to upgrade ???
[03:30] <DShepherd> man cp
[03:30] <mwright1night> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/TeachersPet
[03:30] <Swearingen> I love this ubuntu stuff but what about mp3?
[03:30] <haro> sudo apt-get update
[03:30] <cafuego_> looga: The worst that can happen is that you will need to run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'  when you want tor esume. it will tell you if this is the case.
[03:30] <DShepherd> patrik: man cp
[03:30] <haro> sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:30] <haro> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:30] <looga> cafuego: saik0 and if i change mirrors, what will happen to all the packages that have already been downloaded? Do they have to be downloaded again?
[03:30] <eXtreme22> i iinstall ubuntu,KDE, i have winmodem smartlink, i install driver sl-modem-daemon ... query modem on KPPP is work but ATDTnumber fail no dialtone ???
[03:31] <lllmanulll> Swearingen, You need to install additionnal packages
[03:31] <DShepherd> patrik: You can use GUI and right click copy and paste
[03:31] <saik0> extreme22: try #kubuntu
[03:31] <shutdownrunner> looga: no they are on your drive. they won't be deleted
[03:31] <lllmanulll> Swearingen, Ubuntu doesn't come with out of the box mp3 support for legal reasons
[03:31] <cafuego_> looga: No, they will remain on disk and will be used.
[03:31] <saik0> looga: nope hooray apt
[03:31] <izm99> hi all, is there any way to get *the most recent* log info from X?  My pc's crashing as soon as I start x, but there is no data being put into /usr/var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:31] <aftertaf> looga:  nope, theyre cached... dont worry about ctl D... i do it all the time :)
[03:31] <Swearingen> lllmanulll: understood, package names?
[03:31] <looga> aftertaf: what's ctrl D?
[03:31] <Ghoat> upgrade servers must be busy, downloading at 22 kB/s, going flawlessly though....
[03:32] <onkarshinde> Is translation using launchpad a continuous process? Can I still translate some packages?
[03:32] <patrik> DShpepherd: no i must be root to write to dest. so im using sudo.. but i cant find out how to copy a whole dir using cp
[03:32] <looga> cafuego: saik0: do you recommend using the server list in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive?
[03:32] <lllmanulll> Swearingen, Let me see
[03:32] <lllmanulll> Swearingen, gstreamer0.8-plugins, gstreamer0.8-lame, lame
[03:32] <apoZ`> ??
[03:32] <apoZ`> could not upgrade
[03:33] <aftertaf> looga:  i meant ctl C
[03:33] <lllmanulll> Swearingen, should be enough, post again if it's not
[03:33] <Swearingen> danke
[03:33] <sexcopter8000m> ok, burning the disc failed half way through :( should i check md5 sum thingies? if so, how?
[03:33] <wrabbit> !!!!!!!!!!
[03:33] <ubotu> No idea, wrabbit
[03:34] <wrabbit> xfce is soooo much quicker than Gnome
[03:34] <looga> how do i find the official mirror for Japan?
[03:34] <wrabbit> Loving it
[03:34] <lllmanulll> sexcopter8000m, Are you running linux right now ?
[03:34] <sexcopter8000m> yes, hoary
[03:34] <Dekkard> can you get ubuntu to use reiser4 ?
[03:34] <lllmanulll> sexcopter8000m, Run the md5sum command on the ISO you downloaded
[03:34] <wrabbit> Anybody else running xfce?
[03:34] <looga> aftertaf: ?
[03:34] <lllmanulll> sexcopter8000m, Then compare it to the one given on the server
[03:34] <Dekkard> wrabbit,  i was on hoary..
[03:34] <saik0> looga: Not sure about the unofficial servers. might not be current after release...heh the wiki says warty
[03:34] <shutdownrunner> looga: try some Japanese university. they usually have fast connections and mirrors of linux distributions
[03:34] <lllmanulll> sexcopter8000m, Or on the CD, maybe
[03:35] <onkarshinde> Is translation using launchpad a continuous process? Can I still translate some packages?
[03:35] <sexcopter8000m> lllmanulll: ok it's just working away
[03:35] <Amaranth> onkarshinde: if you want them to be translated better for dapper, sure
[03:35] <looga> shutdownrunner: so you think i shoudln't use one of the japan mirrors at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive?
[03:36] <sexcopter8000m> lllmanulll: 126751a2dc5528c2f9044d9e4ee36d61
[03:36] <looga> saik0: you're right!
[03:36] <sexcopter8000m> (for the iso image on hdd)
[03:36] <looga> saik0: it does say warty.
[03:36] <wrabbit> Dekkard, it can pretty much do anything that Gnome can do correct?  It's so smooth on my system.  Gnome was hell on my 700mhz
[03:36] <looga> saik0: so i guess i have no choice but to wait for this slow process.
[03:36] <wrabbit> I might stick with this
[03:36] <looga> saik0: besides, there really is no rush for me.
[03:36] <wrabbit> very nice indeed.
[03:36] <btdown> Who can I talk to about a blackbird login, plz?
[03:36] <looga> saik0: I'm just excited. That's all.
[03:36] <apoZ`> I don't get the upgrade.  I already had the prelease though
[03:36] <onkarshinde> Amaranth: Are you the one who is admin for Punjabi Translation?
[03:37] <thechitowncubs> My 1st period is over
[03:37] <thechitowncubs> see ya guys
[03:37] <Amaranth> onkarshinde: nope
[03:37] <saik0> looga: asking the wrong person. my ubuntu box is back at tyhe manufacturer because the touchpad broke. have'nt updated
[03:37] <Dekkard> wrabbit,  um.. yeah.. and its pretty gtk compatible.. xfce4 is a nice ui for a lappy or an older shytstem like my old athlon 900
[03:37] <Amaranth> onkarshinde: there is an amaranth there too?
[03:37] <shutdownrunner> looga: what's your current transfer?
[03:37] <xukun> DShepherd, I think I need to be root to copy and paste, becouse paste is grey
[03:37] <sexcopter8000m> lllmanulll: i think it tallies with the ubuntu site
[03:38] <Dekkard> wrabbit,  but i think xffm is kind of lame as a file manager.. i think the old ubuntu version used rox..
[03:38] <looga> shutdownrunner:       7771B/s 1d 3h30m31s
[03:38] <Dekkard> but im senile so.. i may be wrong
[03:38] <onkarshinde> Amaranth: Sorry. The name was something different. But Whom should I contact for this? I want to help for Marathi translation.
[03:38] <looga> shutdownrunner: no problem with me.
[03:38] <shutdownrunner> so that's a really crappy transfer
[03:38] <looga> shutdownrunner: what's your transfer rate?
[03:38] <wrabbit> Dekkard, Running a thinkpad now so suits it well.  Heard of rox on the forums.  Might give it a shot
[03:38] <sexcopter8000m> brb
[03:38] <Amaranth> onkarshinde: Sorry, I don't really know. I make things, someone else translates them. :)
[03:39] <Dekkard> rox is wicked fast
[03:39] <xukun> how can I start gnome file browser as root?
[03:39] <saik0> wrabbit: xfce 4.2 is a great 'middlewight' WM
[03:39] <onkarshinde> Amaranth: what do you make?
[03:39] <wrabbit> WM?
[03:39] <saik0> windowmanager
[03:39] <Dekkard> xukun,  terminal sudo nautilus
[03:39] <Amaranth> onkarshinde: the menu editor in breezy, for one :)
[03:39] <looga> someone told me i can switch mirrors, but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/archive talks about Warty, not bReezy
[03:39] <wrabbit> ah, right
[03:39] <moebius_> seems like the mirrors are getting hammered hard
[03:39] <shutdownrunner> I have 40-50 kbytes/s
[03:39] <Belutz> xukun, gksudo nautilus
[03:39] <wrabbit> trying my hardest to use the command line.  Gotta learn alot.
[03:39] <xukun> Dekkard, ah thanks
[03:39] <Dekkard> np
[03:39] <looga> shutdownrunner: you'll be done soen
[03:39] <looga> soon.
[03:40] <Dekkard> wrabbit,  take your time..read a bunch..
[03:40] <yancheng> helo, for bz2 file extension, how can i extract them?
[03:40] <shutdownrunner> looga: maybe if there's no Japanes mirror try sth in your neighbourhood. some asian mirror
[03:40] <wrabbit> Dekkard, .. was thinking of actually picking up a book on the subject.
[03:40] <apoZ`> I don't get the upgrade.  I already had the prelease though
[03:40] <wrabbit> Dekkard, but then again... I have a laptop and the internet so that's portable enough ;_
[03:40] <looga> shutdownrunner: but where do i find the breezy list? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive is for Warty apparently.
[03:41] <onkarshinde> Amaranth: Cool. I will be taking up development of a long unmaintained project. May be I could use some help.
[03:41] <Dekkard> wrabbit,  here is the deal.. a book is good.. but it can be like learning how to do chemistry.. look at what you want to do..than remember this " Google is your friend"
[03:41] <Bad_Magic> the repos down?
[03:41] <moebius_> does ca.archive.ubuntu have breezy?
[03:41] <Amaranth> onkarshinde: I don't really have time for much more right now.
[03:42] <wrabbit> Dekkard, you're telling me! I don't think I've ever googled as much as I have in the last few weeks
[03:42] <haro> why not try some taiwan mirror or chinese mirror?
[03:42] <onkarshinde> Amaranth: Not now. It will take long time for me to start. Can I always find you here?
[03:42] <saik0> wrabbit: if you like xfce and dont want all the gnome libs you  should try the xterminal package from os-cillation. I quite like it
[03:42] <Amaranth> haro: you know of one?
[03:42] <wrabbit> Feels good when you get something going.  Even if I have to come in here and beg for help :P
[03:42] <yancheng> helo, for bz2 file extension, how can i extract them?
[03:42] <Belutz> looga, just change the "warty" into "breezy"
[03:42] <shutdownrunner> looga: it's just a list of mirrors. it was made for warty or whatever. but these are mirrors and they have synced with the main server since so they have hoary and breezy too
[03:42] <Amaranth> onkarshinde: about 3 hours a day on tuesdays and thursdays around this time
[03:42] <onkarshinde> Ok. Thanks.
[03:42] <saik0> wrabbit: thats what we're here for =)
[03:42] <Dekkard> wrabbit,  good on ya.. learning keeps yer brain agile.. plus what you will find is you wont really need a whold lot of cli knowledge for Ubuntu.. but it is good to know and it can be fun to show your friends
[03:42] <looga> Belutz: are you sure???
[03:42] <Amaranth> Belutz: Upgrading from warty to breezy won't work, you need to upgrade to hoary, then breezy.
[03:43] <onkarshinde> yancheng: bunzip2 filename.bz2
[03:43] <thirso> can anyone help me out? im trying to make my network adapter work, i have to do a make all to install the driver but im getting this error: http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1132/screenshot1qy.jpg
[03:43] <looga> shutdownrunner:  so i can use the japanese mirror from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive?
[03:43] <os2mac> is it normal for the partitioner to go to a blue screen while it's repartioning?
[03:43] <Dekkard> ok.. got cds to burn :)
[03:43] <shutdownrunner> looga:I tried it, but it's down I think
[03:43] <Belutz> looga, yes, those mirror also provide breezy, just change the examples from warty into breezy
[03:43] <onkarshinde> os2mac: Yes it is normal
[03:43] <looga> shutdownrunner: you tried a japanese mirror?
[03:43] <wrabbit> Dekkard, My friends think I'm geek enough already.  They're more into gaming than anything else
[03:43] <Belutz> Amaranth, i'm not talking about upgrading from waty into breezy, but about a wiki page :D
[03:43] <looga> shutdownrunner: how did you try it?
[03:43] <wolverian> ow, mirrors are being slow
[03:43] <Amaranth> ah
[03:43] <looga> Belutz: are you using a mirror?
[03:43] <rancorus> I am unable to use nautilus cd burner and i get an error message everytime
[03:44] <saik0> Just because Ubuntu has lots of shiny GUIs dose'nt mean that the terminal is'nt useful and powerful anymore
[03:44] <wolverian> I guess that's to be expected :)
[03:44] <os2mac> 40 gig drive... how long to repartition... estimates are fine...
[03:44] <Amaranth> Your best bet it probably going to be the torrent.
[03:44] <Belutz> looga, yup, but the mirror haven't update into the release, not until midnight
[03:44] <Amaranth> os2mac: 10 minutes or so
[03:44] <shutdownrunner> looga:you can browse mirrors like normal websites. I got an error in my browser saying that the server is down
[03:44] <os2mac> thanks....
[03:44] <thirso> can anyone please help me out? im trying to make my network adapter work, i have to do a 'make all' to install the driver but im getting this error: http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1132/screenshot1qy.jpg
[03:44] <Amaranth> os2mac: this isn't windows, we don't take 1 hour/GB
[03:44] <btdown> Who can I talk to about a blackbird login, plz?
[03:45] <Amaranth> btdown: You'd have to tell use what blackbird is first. :)
[03:45] <os2mac> I know... I am a solaris geek by trade.... first time with Linux though.....
[03:45] <looga> Belutz: all mirrors have not been updated yet?
[03:45] <ScatterBrain> Is there a way to have nm-applet *not* ask me for the key chain password everytime my laptop starts up?
[03:45] <kemik> solaris :(
[03:45] <btdown> erm...forget it. ;)
[03:45] <Belutz> looga, the last rsync in my mirror is at 13-Oct-2005 02:38 , while breezy is out about 10am afaik
[03:45] <kemik> sun has some crappy keyboards
[03:45] <wrabbit> Cheers for the help all.  Have fun.
[03:45] <wrabbit> bye for now
[03:45] <Davey> thirso, you might want to note *what* network adapter and *what* you're compiling
[03:45] <Belutz> looga, depends on the mirror, i think my mirror automatically update at midnight
[03:46] <Belutz> looga, by the way i use the Indonesian mirrors
[03:46] <Amaranth> they closed the library on release day and this POS public access machine they let me use doesn't have a burner
[03:46] <looga> Belutz: how do i know if a mirror is updated?
[03:46] <thirso> Davey: Encore ENL832-TX-ICNT, trying to comiple the driver that came with it
[03:47] <Belutz> looga, go to the mirror link, click the dists directory, and you will see breezy directory, check the timestamp
[03:47] <shutdownrunner> looga: you have links for mirrors. use your browser to open them and see if there's a dir called breezy
[03:47] <looga> shutdownrunner: i clicked on the Taiwan link. IT seems quick. and it has "breezy folders" inside.
[03:47] <btdown>  /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
[03:47] <looga> shutdownrunner: so how do i change from official mirror to a Taiwan mirror... safely?
[03:47] <shutdownrunner> looga:yeah, but the Taiwan server only mirrors cd images I think
[03:48] <haro> no
[03:48] <apoZ`> I don't get the upgrade.  I already had the prelease though
[03:48] <apoZ`> help please
[03:48] <shutdownrunner> looga:ok.the Taiwan server is ok
[03:48] <Belutz> looga, if you can wait for another hours, maybe you could use indonesian mirrors
[03:48] <haro> looga: try ubuntu.csie.ntu.edu.tw
[03:48] <rancorus> i want to backup my files before going to breezy but i can't burn cds
[03:49] <thirso> Davey: the problem is with the 'make' i guess, i had to apt-get install it
[03:49] <Alex_BO> HELLO!what's the difference between DVD and CD iso installer?
[03:49] <Belutz> ubotu, tell apoZ` about ask
[03:49] <haro> looga: archive.ubuntu.org.cn   also OK
[03:49] <Alex_BO> I'm tring to download the breezy
[03:49] <shutdownrunner> looga: the basic address for you is http://apt.nc.hcc.edu.tw/pub/ubuntu/
[03:49] <looga> haro, you in china or taiwan?
[03:49] <Belutz> Alex_BO, the DVD includes the Live CD and more packages
[03:49] <haro> looga: I am in Hong Kong,China
[03:50] <looga> shutdown, so how in the world do  i change my source? please explain as though you are talking to a newbie.
[03:50] <haro> but Hong Kong has no mirrors
[03:50] <apoZ`> Belutz, instead of whining help me please
[03:50] <Belutz> apoZ`, i can't help you, because i don't know the problem
[03:50] <looga> haro, how do i use a mirro?
[03:50] <looga> mirror?
[03:50] <haro> I prefer to use taiwan's
[03:50] <Alex_BO> Belutz, and what's the difference between ubuntu-5.10-rc-install-i386.iso and ubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso? what's "rc"?
[03:50] <looga> haro, how do i use a mirror?
[03:51] <anathema_> !faq
[03:51] <ubotu> somebody said faq was The Ubuntu FAQ Guide: select System -> Help (in Breezy), or http://doc.ubuntu.com/gnome/faqi386/C/
[03:51] <shutdownrunner> looga: in synaptic       from menu        settings->repositories
[03:51] <kemik> Alex_BO:  release candidate ?
[03:51] <Belutz> Alex_BO, rc is release candidate, and the last one you're mentioning are the official release
[03:51] <bipolar> Seveas, ping
[03:51] <looga> shutdownrunner: is that how i should do it? Not sudo gedit sourcesFile?
[03:51] <haro> looga: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:51] <Alex_BO> kemik, so...is that a preview?
[03:51] <shutdownrunner> looga: are you using command line, synaptic or sth else?
[03:52] <moebius_> I changed "hoary" to "breezy" in sources.list and ran "apt-get update" but "apt-get dist-update" doesn't install anything
[03:52] <looga> shutdownrunner: i have used synaptic, but i can try gedit
[03:52] <Belutz> looga, you could sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list if you want :D
[03:52] <kemik> moebius_:  dist-upgrade
[03:52] <looga> haro, i finished sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list. what do i do now. Please help me. I'm a newbie
[03:52] <shutdownrunner> looga: so use gedit.    $gedit /etc/apt/sources.list  do it as root
[03:52] <sexcopter8000m> hmmmm, i've now tried burning the breezy image to disc twice. once in ubuntu with k3b and once in windows with nero. both failed about half way. the md5sum is correct for the iso. any ideas?
[03:52] <moebius_> kemik - yes sorry, I did "dist-upgrade", I just mistyped it here
[03:52] <Belutz> looga, do sudo apt-get update
[03:52] <looga> shutdownrunner: done. what's the next step please?
[03:53] <haro> looga add      sth to  /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:53] <thirso> I'm trying to install my network adapter driver, when i do 'make all' i get this error: http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1132/screenshot1qy.jpg
[03:53] <haro> deb http://ubuntu.csie.ntu.edu.tw/ubuntu/ breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[03:53] <Belutz> looga, then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:53] <looga> haro:  what exatly do i add?
[03:53] <kemik> moebius_:  nothing happened? no errors no nothing ?
[03:53] <haro> deb http://ubuntu.csie.ntu.edu.tw/ubuntu/ breezy-security main restricted universe multiverse
[03:53] <haro> deb http://ubuntu.csie.ntu.edu.tw/ubuntu/ breezy-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[03:53] <looga> haro, only one line?
[03:53] <looga> only one line to add?
[03:53] <haro> looga:  three lines
[03:53] <moebius_> kemik - nothing installed. just the standard "Reading" "Building" "Calculating", and then 0 upgrade, 0 install, 0 removed, 0 not upgraded
[03:53] <kemik> about upgrading: read the link in topic
[03:53] <shutdownrunner> paste the content of your sources.list here and give me a link. this will be faster
[03:54] <haro> looga:  just edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:54] <kemik> moebius_:  weird.
[03:54] <shutdownrunner> looga: here I mean http://rafb.net/paste/
[03:54] <haro> looga: then   sudo apt-get update
[03:54] <StFS> wow... lots of people here :) hello
[03:54] <pilgrim_executer> guys, im getting extremely tired of cleaning my dads pc of spyware and viruses, the only reason he wont switch to ubuntu is because he uses his webcam on MSN messenger is there a program to do that in linux?
[03:54] <moebius_> I tried switching mirrors but that didn't change anything and apt-get update seems to be getting everything properly
[03:54] <looga> shutdownrunner:  haro, look at my sources list at http://rafb.net/paste/results/PxHfnV85.html
[03:55] <shonkey> hi guys,
[03:55] <shonkey>  tried exporting the path of my jdk/bin to /etc/profile...., but it does'nt seem to work out.
[03:55] <shonkey> i have installed the jdk in my home directory, cause i am the sole user of my machine......
[03:55] <looga> haro, after you look at that, please tell me if i shoudl remove the deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu ... lines
[03:55] <haro> looga: I am sorry, my firefox doesn't work now...
[03:55] <shonkey> is it necessary to install jdk in some global directory like /usr or /usr/local ????
[03:55] <looga> haro, can i pm you?
[03:55] <shonkey> Please Help!!
[03:55] <shutdownrunner> looga:you have quite a lot of this stuff
[03:55] <haro> looga: you can remove all hoary lines
[03:56] <looga> shutdownrunner: that's from the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[03:56] <saik0> debian
[03:56] <shonkey> can anyone help me
[03:56] <saik0> durr ignore me
[03:56] <ranok> hi all
[03:57] <StFS> pilgrim_executer: http://gaim-vv.sourceforge.net/
[03:57] <sexcopter8000m> are there dvd images of breezy?
[03:57] <apoZ`> i'm tired of ubuntu, switching back to XP
[03:57] <apoZ`> anyone can convince not to ??
[03:57] <Sarkie> lo
[03:57] <bugzElMagnifico> shonkey, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:57] <shonkey> can anyone help
[03:58] <Belutz> apoZ`, good luck with your XP :)
[03:58] <shonkey> i need to export jdk's path
[03:58] <bugzElMagnifico> shonkey, has a section on Java installation
[03:58] <shonkey> how do i do that
[03:58] <shutdownrunner> looga: that's all you need in your sources.list http://rafb.net/paste/results/Wn6F8G48.html
[03:58] <blekos> do i follow the sama instructions of the link to upgrade from preview to final version?
[03:58] <apoZ`> Belutz, i don't see the advantages + not working properly
[03:58] <bugzElMagnifico> shonkey, read the page I just sent you
[03:58] <shonkey> k
[03:58] <pilgrim_executer> StFS, thanks! great news!
[03:58] <Belutz> apoZ`, well it's your choices to make :)
[03:58] <spywork> hello
[03:58] <zyga> where is the gnome clipboard daemon in ubuntu?
[03:59] <saik0> apoZ: use whatever suits your needs. we're always here to help if something is'nt working properly though
[03:59] <spywork> channel italian for support ubuntu?
[03:59] <apoZ`> Belutz, what are the advantages according to you
[03:59] <wezzer> argh, my ubuntu broke up totally. Is there a gently way to install ubuntu totally from fresh, but still keep my files safe on HDD? pls help
[03:59] <looga> shutdownrunner: just 2 lines!!!?????????
[03:59] <shutdownrunner> looga: yes. now just apt-get update and download packages
[03:59] <peterz__> now that breezy is released, where do I go for unstable ?
[03:59] <Belutz> apoZ`, i'm not cleaning my registry regularly anymore, doesn't regularly scan for spyware
[03:59] <looga> how come official upgrade notes has 6 lines. Please I'm so confused, shutdownrunner.
[03:59] <ranok> dapper?
[04:00] <StFS> I'm thinking about installing Ubuntu on my next laptop but I'm worried about multihead support. Currently I have a Debian laptop and I have to boot up into the console and start X from there because I have to specify the X server layout (how many monitors I have) because I can't do that from the graphical login. Does anybody know if this problem is being solved somehow?
[04:00] <shutdownrunner> looga: the second one is hashed. just remove #  if you want to download source packages
[04:00] <El_Che> wezzer: do you have a home *patition* ?
[04:00] <apoZ`> I've never had virusses on XP
[04:00] <Sarkie> How do i make my ubuntu, ubuntu 10 offical??
[04:00] <wezzer> El_Che: unfortunately no :/
[04:00] <Belutz> apoZ`, spyware is not virusses
[04:00] <HiddenFly> how can i burn divx files on a dvd so that i could watch them with a non divx compliant dvd-player?
[04:00] <ranok> sarkie: read the channel topic
[04:00] <mahangu> the .lk repos are _really_ slow today
[04:01] <El_Che> wezzer: boot from the live cd, backup your stuff, reinstall
[04:01] <looga> shutdownrunner: how come you give me only one line, but official upgrade instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes give 6 lines? PLease explain this to me.
[04:01] <shonkey> k
[04:01] <shutdownrunner> looga: I haven't added any link for breezy updates, because there aren't any yes
[04:01] <saik0> apoz: On Ubuntu you very liely never will. Which is more than you can say about any windows installation. Theres also the fact that it's free and has a central repository of free software
[04:01] <HiddenFly> mahangu: yea cos of the release of breezy :)
[04:01] <tristan622ph> i am now installing Point2Play in Ubuntu5.04
[04:01] <mahangu> HiddenFly, im using hoary repos :)
[04:01] <looga> shutdownrunner: are you sure about this?
[04:01] <wezzer> El_Che: I would do that, but I have no place to backup my files (80 GB)
[04:01] <HiddenFly> im happy that i upgraded it in the morning when it was still fast
[04:01] <mahangu> but same server?
[04:01] <ranok> mahangu: Proabal becuase everyone is updating
[04:01] <looga> are you sure only ONE line is needed? about the lines on security?
[04:01] <wezzer> El_Che: I guess I have to buy a small HDD to keep my files there while I install ubuntu from scratch
[04:01] <spywork> anymore know a free driver for conexant modem?
[04:01] <Licker> does anyone know why my memory usage would be at 100%?
[04:02] <rancorus> when i update, will all my settings for the internet be deleted
[04:02] <shutdownrunner> looga: deb-src are packages you won't need, because they are source packages
[04:02] <blekos> spyware dont think there is nay
[04:02] <blekos> any...
[04:02] <shutdownrunner> looga: so now you have only 3 links
[04:02] <blekos> i hace a vaio with conexant modem
[04:02] <necroshine> Licker: check how much of your memoryusage is only swap
[04:02] <ranok> LOL, I'm still downloading the repo list
[04:02] <blekos> havent manage to find any so for :(
[04:02] <Sarkie> ranok, is that all that should be in there, nothing else?
[04:02] <Licker> says 31% in cache
[04:02] <ranok> yes
[04:03] <looga> shutdownrunner: but for now i can just use one link, correct? The one you gave: deb http://apt.nc.hcc.edu.tw/pub/ubuntu/ breezy main universe multiverse restricted?
[04:03] <ranok> wooohooo 15 kbps
[04:03] <camilo> hey, is there anything that i could do to install a .package file
[04:03] <looga> shutdownrunner: sorry for my many questions. I just want to be sure i'm doing the right thing.
[04:03] <necroshine> Licker: So about 31 % are "unused"
[04:03] <necroshine> cached data only
[04:03] <shutdownrunner> looga: yes. you give deb [the address of the server]  and then branches [main, universe, multiverse, restricted] 
[04:03] <Licker> yea abd I got over 500MB Ram. So how can this be..
[04:03] <necroshine> I have 1.5 GB, 100% in use, 71 % is chache.
[04:03] <looga> shutdownrunner: i hope you're not getting back at me for my attempt at being funny ("plug printer to your computer").
[04:04] <ranok> heh :)
[04:04] <shutdownrunner> looga: no. I'm just pissed off, because I just bought this printer and wanted to test it under linux
[04:04] <necroshine> Licker: thats completely normal
[04:04] <shonkey> i have installed JDK
[04:04] <shonkey> already
[04:05] <necroshine> Recent apps are kept in cache for a faster start in future
[04:05] <camilo> How would i install a .package file in ubuntu?
[04:05] <Licker> oh allright.
[04:05] <a_monkey> heheh, there's so much traffic on ubuntu.com that just apt-get update takes forever
[04:05] <shonkey> but need to export its path
[04:05] <Licker> is there a antivirus program for Linux? I wanna run a check.
[04:05] <shonkey> so that i can use it
[04:05] <a_monkey> so many people dist-upgrading...
[04:05] <shutdownrunner> looga: if you want you can also add deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted universe multiverse
[04:05] <ranok> could I mirror it or woun't they let anyone
[04:05] <Sarkie> shonkey, how did you install it?
[04:05] <shutdownrunner> looga:these are security updates if any security flaw is found
[04:05] <shonkey> i downloaded from SUN
[04:05] <looga> shutdownrunner: okay. I'll add that line
[04:05] <Sarkie> use the .deb package its easier
[04:05] <shutdownrunner> looga: if you're not a security freak you don't need them
[04:06] <a_monkey> i'm lucky i did it yesterday before the official release was made
[04:06] <Chandon> Licker: As far as I know, there's only checkers for Windows viruses.
[04:06] <a_monkey> and ubunt.com was faster
[04:06] <xfelipex> oLAS
[04:06] <a_monkey> ubuntu.com*
[04:06] <looga> shutdownrunner: okay. thanks for being cool. I just changed the sources.list file. Please be patient with me and tell me the next step.
[04:06] <Davey> OK, all you other people downloading Breezy, quit it dammit :P
[04:06] <xfelipex> SoMEboDY COuld HELP mE
[04:06] <blekos> apt-get is veeeryyyyyyyy slow 2day...
[04:06] <Chandon> Davey, Use the torrent - that way more people make it faster.
[04:06] <blekos> guess 2 many upgrading :)
[04:06] <shonkey> i have installed JDK
[04:06] <looga> shutdownrunner: i've already hit Control-C on terminal.
[04:06] <shonkey> already
[04:07] <xfelipex> MY INgLISh IS NoT So GOOD
[04:07] <shonkey> but need to export its path
[04:07] <saik0> looga: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[04:07] <Davey> Chandon, I'm upgrading, not downloading the ISO
[04:07] <shonkey> so that i can use it
[04:07] <xfelipex> BUt
[04:07] <ranok> I'm very happy that I did most of it last night
[04:07] <rancorus> why it there an error message saying badly encoded string when i want to burn a cd
[04:07] <joh> is it just me, or are the archives *extremely* slow now? Maybe because of the breezy release? :)
[04:07] <Sarkie> saik0, #
[04:07] <Sarkie> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:07] <Davey> ranok, I *started* last night
[04:07] <Licker> Chandon: a friend has windows anmd we wer chatting and a link sent.. (it was a virus link) and I clicked on it ( she was away from the PC) I didnt know she was away cuz it sent that then she came back and siad it was a virus. Ever since then my PC has been having probs. Freezing etc.
[04:07] <Davey> I'm at 52%, package 760 atm
[04:07] <shutdownrunner> looga: if you've changed your sources.list just do apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:07] <Chandon> Davey, Because I never say things offtopic, you should write an apt backend that uses bittorrent so I'll be right.
[04:08] <Davey> Chandon, sure!
[04:08] <Sarkie> Licker, tell her to go to http://housecall.trenmicro.com
[04:08] <Sarkie> Licker, tell her to go to http://housecall.trendmicro.com  ***
[04:08] <SpiderMan> if you do an apt-get dist upgrade, does it upgrade gnome and everything ?
[04:08] <Belutz> SpiderMan, yes
[04:08] <Licker> Sarkie: what is that
[04:08] <kjaer> SpiderMan, Yes it does.
[04:08] <looga> hi bigfoot1
[04:08] <bigfoot1> hi looga
[04:08] <bigfoot1> are you me?
[04:08] <SpiderMan> so it literally upgrades everything you have installed currently
[04:08] <looga> yes I'm you.
[04:08] <Sarkie> Licker, free online virus and malware scanner, also theres a spyware scanner
[04:09] <SpiderMan> that came with the hoary release
[04:09] <itamar> hi
[04:09] <Licker> ohh.. allright. But what about linux?  lol
[04:09] <itamar> does the new installer let you resize win32 partitions cleanly during installation?
[04:09] <shutdownrunner> looga: if this server turns out to be slow as well just find another one change the address and leave all the parameters as is. when you find a decen't server you'll never have to alter sources.list again
[04:09] <saik0> whoops, i thought you did upgrade when upgrading from one release to another
[04:09] <bretzel> HI -- This is the GREAT Breezy day :-)
[04:09] <Dexter> hi, everyone
[04:09] <Dexter> ;)
[04:09] <mwe> really? :)
[04:10] <looga> shutdownrunner: saik0:  96.3kB/s 2h10m6s. Thank you.  Thank you Thank you. Thank you.
[04:10] <Dexter> Blah Blah Blah
[04:11] <looga> shutdownrunner: i wont't have to alter sources.list even after i finish upgrade? Will i be assured that the mirror is the exact "reflection" of the ubuntu repo?
[04:11] <shutdownrunner> looga: so this server is ok
[04:11] <Belutz> wow 96kBps
[04:11] <looga> shutdownrunner: thank you so much!
[04:11] <shutdownrunner> looga: yes. mirrors are synced very fast
[04:11] <looga> Belutz: yes. compare that to what i was getting 10 minutes ago with the official ubuntu repo at 7kb/s
[04:11] <saik0> looga: huzzah
[04:11] <mwe> but there are no garantees whatsoever though
[04:12] <looga> saik0: is huzzah chinese for hooray?
[04:12] <looga> saik0: how do you write thank you in chinese, using the alphabet?
[04:12] <Belutz> looga, well even though i use a fast mirror, my connection can only have max 15kBps :(
[04:12] <SpiderMan> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-updates/main/source/Sources.gz  MD5Sum mismatch ------ will this mess up my upgrade ?
[04:12] <looga> mwe:  no guarantees of what?
[04:12] <Belutz> looga: xie xie
[04:12] <looga> Hi Peter  Parker
[04:13] <looga> Belutz: you chinese?
[04:13] <Belutz> looga, no, i'm Indonesian :)
[04:13] <looga> indonesians are friendly people.
[04:13] <Belutz> looga, thank you
[04:13] <saik0> looga: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/huzzah
[04:13] <shutdownrunner> looga: if you fina a way to make Laserjet 1020 work under linux don't hesitate to tell me:)
[04:13] <danst> hi installed firestarter recently but the logging is overwhelming my /var/log/messages and dmesg. how can i change the logfile or switch it of??
[04:13] <El_Che> SpiderMan: nope
[04:13] <Waerner> How is the server-install of Ubuntu affected when upgrading to Breezy?
[04:13] <Belutz> looga, i wish i could go to japan someday :)
[04:13] <grogoreo> hi
[04:13] <SpiderMan> thanks El_Che
[04:14] <looga> shutdownrunner: i won't hesitate.
[04:14] <saik0> looga: I only speak English and Spanish and a small amount of Japanese
[04:14] <looga> muy bien.
[04:14] <El_Che> SpiderMan: downloading errors is ok, it first download all the packages, than installs them
[04:14] <looga> well, it's good nigth for me.
[04:14] <looga> In 4 hours, upgrade will be done.
[04:14] <looga> i'm looking forward to the new computer in the morning.
[04:15] <Waerner> Will it install X and stuff like that when upgrading to breezy using APT...?
[04:15] <Belutz> looga, good night, sayonara :)
[04:15] <looga> goodnight shutdownrunner, Belutz, saik0o
[04:15] <grogoreo> I'm running hoary atm and want to install breezy. I know about: apt-get update    then     apt-get dist-upgrade    but will updating delete all the old hoary files?
[04:15] <saik0> looga: buenas noche
[04:15] <looga> 
[04:15] <SpiderMan> well my dist is upgradingas we speak, :0
[04:15] <TFP> hi
[04:15] <TFP> i just wondered if ubuntu fixed the HAL problem in their new release, anyone knows more
[04:15] <Licker> can someone help me??  http://pastebin.com/392247
[04:16] <saik0> TFP: check the breezygoals page on the wiki
[04:16] <grogoreo> SpiderMan: did you change your repositories using synaptic? or a text editor
[04:16] <Belutz> Waerner, if you already installed X it will upgrade your X
[04:16] <TFP> saik0: ok thx
[04:16] <SpiderMan> grogoreo I vi'ed the sources.list
[04:16] <chongbook> how different is the breezy version of the installer from the debian-installer image?
[04:16] <Waerner> Belutz, I have the "server-installation" only
[04:17] <GeertJ> Licker: did you apt-get update?
[04:17] <Licker> no
[04:17] <GeertJ> do that first
[04:17] <TiMiDo> chongbook: read about it,
[04:17] <grogoreo> SpiderMan, and basically just substitued the hoary/warty to breezy? Do you know if your old dist's files will be deleted in place of the new ones? Or will bot dists exist
[04:17] <GeertJ> and check the apt-get howto troubleshooting section
[04:17] <chongbook> TiMiDo, thanks
[04:17] <chongbook> appreciate it
[04:17] <Belutz> Waerner, so i think it wont installed the X automatically, but i really encourage you to read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[04:18] <Waerner> Belutz, thanks =))
[04:18] <spiderworm> congrats to the developers for the new release.  gj all
[04:18] <SpiderMan> well I think it cans the old ones. Because It sez that it will download 612Mb but only 150Mb will be used after the install
[04:18] <grogoreo> SpiderMan, great thanks man
[04:18] <SpiderMan> I just hope by doing the update, all the new features come through, like that boot screen and the new gnome
[04:19] <TiMiDo> damn the update is taking for ever
[04:19] <daan> Hey all. I wish to use totem as my media player but i lack video codecs. Anyone got some hints on how to install them?
[04:19] <grogoreo> GeertJ, where about is the "apt-get howto troubleshooting section"?
[04:20] <grogoreo> daan, you need to install the g-streamer ones
[04:20] <TFP> saik0: well there is no HAL goal, where could i find that information instead?
[04:20] <pangit> daan, how about going to ubuntu wiki page
[04:20] <twibbler> Hi all. May I just say very well done to the Breezy team ... Its nice, stable and does exactly what it says on the tin ......
[04:20] <saik0> TFP:the mailing list. or here, but from someone else ;D
[04:20] <GeertJ> google 'apt howto', section 7
[04:21] <TFP> doesn someone else have a clue?
[04:21] <bpf> where is a list of mirrors to use in my apt/sources file? archive.ubuntu.com is not responding
[04:21] <GeertJ> should have said 'common errors'
[04:21] <daan> ok. thanks so far. i'll mess around some more and bother you again if i get stuck
[04:21] <Belutz> bpf, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[04:22] <bpf> Belutz, thanks
[04:22] <knosys> hello
[04:23] <grogoreo> where is the apt config file
[04:23] <grogoreo> ?
[04:23] <chongbook> grogoreo, /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:23] <grogoreo> chongbook, thanks
[04:23] <johnsie2k> what is a good download manager?
[04:23] <knosys> hello boys and girls , i have a little problem , i dont know what can be , but running mozilla firefox , there some web sites that block my ubuntu system ,
[04:24] <SpiderMan> so does anyone know if the boot screen with the percentage bar comes through after an upgrade
[04:24] <SpiderMan> ?
[04:24] <knosys> mouse icon get blocked and i cannot do nothing :S
[04:24] <obontu> hello i just installed galeon and i get this error when trying to load it
[04:24] <obontu> INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: JavaPluginFactory5 init - no agent?
[04:24] <obontu> and i have java installed
[04:24] <Tomcat_> knosys: Can you post the website?
[04:24] <delmonico> SpiderMan: think you need to do dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-version
[04:24] <johnsie2k> Spiderman sometimes it does and sometimes it doesnt with me
[04:24] <imc_> Greetings all. I have an Evolution mail account looking at my home mail server. It reads all the mail but does not display inbox; how can I tell Evolution that it should use the remote (imap) inbox as my *only* inbox?
[04:24] <Chandon> johnsie2k, Graphical or command line?
[04:24] <knosys> Tomcat_, sure
[04:24] <smallfoot-> i heared breezy just got released, so when is sleazy getting released?
[04:24] <johnsie2k> graphical.. like Getright
[04:25] <smallfoot-> getright? OMG!! LOL!! WTF!
[04:25] <bpf> i guess archive.ubuntu.com is responding, it's security.ubuntu.com that wasn't found
[04:25] <johnsie2k> on better lol
[04:25] <johnsie2k> i was just using that as an example hehe
[04:25] <obontu> ??
[04:25] <imc_> Any Evolution wonks out there?
[04:25] <Chandon> johnsie2k, Absolutely no idea. Have you checked freshmeat?
[04:25] <smallfoot-> Ubuntu 5.20 (Sleezy)
[04:25] <smallfoot-> ????????????
[04:25] <knosys> Tomcat_, www.gnupg.org/gph/es/manual/x212.html
[04:25] <obontu> can someone help please?
[04:25] <axeus> Flup.
[04:26] <smallfoot-> anyone wanna cyber????++
[04:26] <cloudr> anybody knows where can I find stable breeze sources.list ?
[04:26] <ranok> then what is dapper drake?
[04:26] <Chandon> johnsie2k, Or even searched the ubuntu repository for "download manager"?
[04:26] <johnsie2k> what about  for the terminal?
[04:26] <smallfoot-> BYE!!!!!!!!
[04:26] <axeus> I can't find the friggen Ubuntu ZSNES package.
[04:26] <obontu> what's that error? INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: JavaPluginFactory5 init - no agent?
[04:26] <shonkey> JAVA_HOME="/usr/java/current/"
[04:26] <shonkey> export JAVA_HOME;
[04:26] <shonkey> #path of course depends on where you put the jdk
[04:26] <shonkey> PATH="$PATH:/home/flim/bin:/usr/java/current/bin"
[04:26] <Chandon> johnsie2k, wget is awesome.
[04:26] <shonkey> hehe!!
[04:26] <johnsie2k> w get and then the url?
[04:26] <shonkey> wats awk used for
[04:26] <obontu> where i'm supposed to put all that?
[04:27] <shonkey> JAVA_HOME="/usr/java/current/"
[04:27] <shonkey> export JAVA_HOME;
[04:27] <shonkey> #path of course depends on where you put the jdk
[04:27] <shonkey> PATH="$PATH:/home/flim/bin:/usr/java/current/bin"
[04:27] <johnsie2k> where does wget save the file?
[04:27] <Chandon> johnsie2k, i.e. "wget http://some.server.com/some-item.tgz" or "wget -c ..." to continue a download.
[04:27] <Chandon> johnsie2k, In the current directory.
[04:27] <knosys> Tomcat_, can you open that website?
[04:27] <Skid> ./w 27
[04:27] <johnsie2k> ok thats great , thanks a lot
[04:27] <Skid> oops
[04:27] <Tomcat_> knosys: Works perfectly for me, and it doesn't seem to use any special plugins or Java...
[04:27] <knosys> hmm
[04:27] <Tomcat_> knosys: You might want to try to create a new Firefox profile (take out your bookmarks first)
[04:27] <knosys> what can be then?
[04:28] <obontu> ??
[04:28] <knosys> Tomcat_, can i private message you?
[04:28] <joker667> hi everybody :)
[04:28] <ubuntuguy> why is Ubuntu the most popular Linux distro yet there is no debian package for Java ?
[04:28] <Tomcat_> knosys: No idea. Maybe you got something installed that's making problems.
[04:28] <Skid> there is
[04:28] <Tomcat_> knosys: Rather not, sorry... I can't help you any further anyway.
[04:28] <Skid> search the forums/wiki
[04:28] <knosys> Tomcat_, you told me something about new firefox profile
[04:28] <knosys> mmm
[04:29] <mwe> ubuntuguy: because of the license
[04:29] <knosys> what you meaned with profile?
[04:29] <joker667> has anyone an idea if it is possible to use the proprietrary ati driver and suspend? my laptop always crashes on wakeup, without the driver it works like a charm
[04:29] <sproingie> speaking of firefox ... why is it the only app that is virtually destroyed if i have a power glitch?
[04:29] <ubuntuguy> mwe: what is it about the license?
[04:29] <axeus> !info zsnes
[04:29] <Tomcat_> knosys: Copy ~/.mozilla to some other place, then delete the original. Upon starting Firefox, it will create a new profile. Then, try to access the website.
[04:29] <ubotu> zsnes: (Emulator of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (TM)), section multiverse/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.360-2 (breezy), Packaged size: 457 kB, Installed size: 2752 kB
[04:30] <axeus> Where t'f is it!
[04:30] <axeus> :(
[04:30] <mwe> ubuntuguy: sun java is not free software
[04:30] <TiMiDo> axeus: sudo apt-get install zsnes
[04:30] <ivoks> so.. new hype start today :)
[04:30] <GreatBriton> pm me if you are willing to help me get my wifi card up and running in 5.10
[04:30] <axeus> TiMiDo: It can't find the package. :(
[04:30] <bpf> joker667, you can write a little script to load/unload the ati driver upon suspending/waking
[04:30] <TiMiDo> for hoary or for breezy?
[04:30] <chongbook> bpf, no need for that
[04:30] <axeus> Breezy.
[04:30] <axeus> Supposedly it's out for both, however.
[04:30] <bpf> chongbook, how do you get it working?
[04:31] <ubuntuguy> mwe: Who said, "let my software go"?
[04:31] <bpf> i have not done that, just read about it
[04:31] <axeus> But I can't find it at packages.ubuntu.com, or with apt-cache.
[04:31] <chongbook> joker667, in /etc/default/acpi-support or whatever the file is you can list the ati driver in the list to unload before suspending and reload after resuming
[04:31] <bpf> chongbook, much nicer solution, thank you
[04:31] <mwe> ubuntuguy: what do you mean? did you read the ubuntu filosofy?
[04:31] <joker667> chongbook, i tried this, but no luck :(
[04:31] <chongbook> doh
[04:31] <ubuntuguy> mwe: woops... no ... that was "let my people go"
[04:31] <axeus> Only thing I can find is visualboyadvance*
[04:31] <joker667> bpf, any howto on this, or examplescript?
[04:32] <ubuntuguy> :-)
[04:32] <chongbook> anyone ever attempt to install from a usb flash drive?
[04:32] <bpf> just a sec, let me find the link joker667
[04:32] <shonkey> i have jre
[04:32] <helpme> how do i download the breezy iso...plz help!
[04:32] <shonkey> how do i link it to FIREFOX
[04:32] <shonkey> i have jre
[04:32] <helpme> firefox says size of breezy iso is 655.9 MB but opera says its 640.5 MB!! how do i download the iso?
[04:32] <shonkey> i have jre
[04:32] <shonkey> how do i link it to FIREFOX
[04:32] <axeus> LOL
[04:32] <chongbook> helpme, http://releases.ubuntu.com
[04:32] <gilbert_> any people here
[04:32] <foxiness> can any one help me to get smartlink work with breezy ?
[04:32] <gilbert_> help me
[04:32] <shonkey> how do i link it to FIREFOX
[04:33] <shonkey> i have jre
[04:33] <gilbert_> printer driver epson stylus c45
[04:33] <shonkey> how do i link it to FIREFOX
[04:33] <gilbert_> driver
[04:33] <gilbert_> i cant print
[04:33] <sproingie> shonkey: SHUT UP
[04:33] <mwe> shonkey: link the file from the plugins subdir where java resides to the plugins dir in your firefox profile directory
[04:33] <axeus> !info zsnes
[04:33] <helpme> firefox says size of breezy iso is 655.9 MB but opera says its 640.5 MB!! how do i download the iso?
[04:33] <bpf> joker667, what kind of laptop do you have?
[04:33] <ubotu> zsnes: (Emulator of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (TM)), section multiverse/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.360-2 (breezy), Packaged size: 457 kB, Installed size: 2752 kB
[04:33] <axeus> Hrmph.
[04:33] <GreatBriton> pm me please, if you are willing to help me get my wifi card up and running in 5.10
[04:34] <axeus> That sassafrassin modabraggin geroflaggin.
[04:34] <joker667> bpf, dell inspiron 8600
[04:34] <mindspore> Is it possible to upgrade from ubuntu (hoary) to kubuntu (breezy) with apt-get?
[04:34] <mwe> shonkey: probably /home/you/.mozilla/.mozilla/plugins
[04:34] <helpme> :(
[04:34] <sproingie> anyone know what to do with firefox when it shuts down uncleanly and decides to lose half your prefs?
[04:34] <mwe> shonkey: err /home/you/.mozilla/plugins that is
[04:34] <gilbert_> is opera works in ubuntu
[04:34] <piotr> hello all, ubuntu 5.10 doesn't work with Opera 8.5
[04:35] <Happu> helpme: try bigger, so you can be sure.
[04:35] <sproingie> gilbert_: it works wonderfully
[04:35] <piotr> not for me
[04:35] <sproingie> piotr: i'm running both.  what's the problem it's giving you?
[04:35] <smgdevotee> Hi. Can someone tell me a keyboard shortcut for exiting the Ubuntu installer?
[04:35] <piotr> libraries
[04:35] <El_Che> piotr: tried the one with static libraries
[04:36] <gilbert_> printer problem
[04:36] <piotr> libqt3-mt blocked me to install old libs
[04:36] <sproingie> smgdevotee: escape?  if you want to be really abrupt, ctrl-alt-del will do it :)
[04:36] <dobwan> wahoo, just finished 5.1 install, first boot
[04:36] <sproingie> piotr: hm.  what version of kde you running?
[04:36] <TFP> does anyone know when the unofficial guide will be updated?
[04:36] <basvg> hmmm, I just downloaded a small .avi file and totem claims it doesn't have a codec (I have w32codecs installed) ... does anyone know which package I might need?
[04:36] <gilbert_> printer problem
[04:36] <piotr> i've tried to do as forum.ubuntu said
[04:36] <smgdevotee> sproingee: I tried escape and it took me to a menu.. and since it hasn't resized properly for my monitor I couldn't see half the options there LOL
[04:36] <mwe> shonkey: ln -s /path/to/jdk/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /home/you/.mozilla/plugins
[04:36] <eracerbit> mindspor: yes =)
[04:36] <piotr> but it doesn't work
[04:36] <bpf> joker667, I think this is it: http://www.whiprush.org/2005/06/
[04:37] <mindspore> eracerbit, can you tell me how?
[04:37] <piotr> i'm on fresh hoary now
[04:37] <gilbert_> anybody can help me
[04:37] <gilbert_> i'am newbiew
[04:37] <mindspore> basvg, maybe divx?
[04:37] <war-totem> any major problems dist-upgrading to breezy that ppl have expericenced here?
[04:37] <sproingie> smgdevotee: you might try just using the text installer.  it's not much different
[04:37] <piotr> moved out breezy upgrades
[04:37] <helpme> Happu: i cant take chances....limited download limit...slow connection
[04:37] <piotr> i usualy use terminal for installing soft
[04:37] <GreatBriton> please help me with setting up my wifi card
[04:38] <gilbert_> printer problem
[04:38] <andy_satriani> hi everybody, will i get ndiswrapper eror if i upgrade my hoary to breezy
[04:38] <Ng> no more messing around with java \o/
[04:38] <basvg> mindspore: hmmm... perhaps. Do you know the exact name of the package?
[04:38] <chongbook> bpf, heh oddly enough i'm the one that gave jorge those instructions on how to muck about with acpi ;)
[04:38] <smgdevotee> It's just my laptop screen, it resizes properly for my desktop PC - which is what I'll actually be installing it to.
[04:38] <gilbert_> printer problem
[04:38] <Happu> helpme: oh :( Well my firefox (with getright) informs the size as 641,40 Mb, but cant be sure. I think they both work and its just some thing...
[04:38] <mindspore> basvg, what do you mean?  i just wanna go from ubuntu (hoary) to kubuntu (breezy)..
[04:38] <Happu> helpme: but i can tell you if this worked
[04:38] <piotr> i'll take breezy iso and will install fresh BB
[04:38] <Happu> helpme: after something like 2 hours.
[04:38] <tristan622ph> how can i share my printer in Windows Network?
[04:38] <basvg> mindspore: never mind then ;)
[04:39] <TFP> how can i connect via DSL?
[04:39] <eracerbit> mindspore: yes... edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list  as root, replace all "hoary" with "breezy", then do "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop kubuntu-docs kubuntu-default-settings"
[04:39] <Belial-> mindspore: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:39] <tristan622ph> do i configure the samba?
[04:39] <gilbert_> printer problem
[04:39] <gilbert_> printer problem
[04:39] <gilbert_> printer problem
[04:39] <mindspore> basvg, oh sorry wrong person
[04:39] <mindspore> basvg, i don't know the exact name, but i think they have it on ubuntuguide.org (sorry if i'm not supposed to put that url here)
[04:39] <gilbert_> epson stylus c45
[04:39] <gilbert_> driver
[04:39] <gilbert_> wer i can download it
[04:39] <GreatBriton> pm me if you want to ignore me about my wifi card
[04:40] <mwe> tristan622ph: yeah. look at some samba howtos, search google
[04:40] <maximaus> mindspore, you can use Synaptic to change the names of the repos if you find a gui more comfy.
[04:40] <basvg> mindspore: I'll have a look, thanks
[04:40] <eracerbit> hello again mwe
[04:40] <mwe> eracerbit: hi
[04:40] <Belial-> no seeders on the DVD i386 torrent
[04:40] <gilbert_> printer problem
[04:40] <gilbert_> epson stylus c45
[04:40] <gilbert_> driver
[04:40] <daan> anyone else got a problem where apt-get update get's stuck on 66%?
[04:41] <mindspore> maximaus, eracerbit, Belial-, thanks for the info.. however; can switching to kubuntu be done after a normal upgrade to breezy?
[04:41] <mwe> daan: it works here
[04:41] <andy_satriani> anyone here got acer 3002nlci
[04:41] <nalioth> daan: i'd imagine today everything is gonna move slow
[04:41] <eracerbit> mwe: never did get that fglrx working, went back to non-proprietary mesa-using no-dri-having driver =p
[04:41] <maximaus> mindspore, yes
[04:41] <mwe> eracerbit: oh
[04:41] <maximaus> mindspore, just install "kubuntu-desktop" from Synaptic.
[04:41] <mindspore> maximaus, alright thank you :-)
[04:42] <maximaus> mindspore, you can have several environments installed and choose them on a session basis at login. :D
[04:42] <mwe> eracerbit: I must admit it's a major headache getting the fglrx driver to work in breezy
[04:42] <daan> ah yeah. it didn't get stuck, just took really long hehehe
[04:42] <daved> argh.. ubuntu apt repository servers are dead today :)
[04:42] <eracerbit> mwe: but somehow, while i was dicking around with it, i broke kicker and some kde daemons, somehow =p
[04:42] <RedGhost> hey how can i get root terminal to show in the system tools menu like it did for me in 5.04
[04:43] <mugen> hi again
[04:43] <mwe> eracerbit: aw
[04:43] <BockBilbo> byeee
[04:43] <mugen> someone can help's me with a MFirefox problem?
[04:43] <mwe> eracerbit: maybe reinstalling kde will fix it
[04:43] <eracerbit> i dont see how ppl can use gnome or most gtk apps with that god awful file selection dialog
[04:43] <Bjoern-Erik> gilbert_: Use the gimp-print drivers
[04:43] <nat_> eracerbit, What's wrong with the file selection dialog?
[04:44] <eracerbit> yeah, thats what imdoing, reinstalling kicker and a bunch of other kde krap
[04:44] <maximaus> nat_,  it doesn't look xp'y enough. :P
[04:44] <eracerbit> its fiddly
[04:44] <eracerbit> theres nowhere to type a path, no autocompletion
[04:44] <maximaus> eracerbit, you just need to learn some shortcuts with it--it's really nice once you've gotten used to it.
[04:44] <El_Che> eracerbit: ctrl + l
[04:45] <srid> USplash not working for me after dist-upgrade :(
[04:45] <xukun> update or apt-get is not working for breezy. Are you guys also having this problem?
[04:45] <eracerbit> ok, that control-l is good, how come that box isnt on the dialog itself tho
[04:45] <daan> update and apt-get ARE working. it just takes realy long
[04:45] <El_Che> xukun: probably your mirror (you are using a mirror, right?) is being hammered. *everyone* is upgrading right now ...
[04:45] <maximaus> eracerbit, it's a bit of "simplification"
[04:46] <mugen> someone can help's me with a MFirefox problem?
[04:46] <El_Che> eracerbit: because is mostly not needed.
[04:46] <shonkey>  ln -s /usr/lib/sun-j2sdk1.5.0/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/
[04:46] <shonkey> So just change IBM JDK path there, and same for Mozilla:
[04:46] <shonkey> ln -s /usr/lib/sun-j2sdk1.5.0/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[04:46] <eracerbit> seriously kdes file selector kicks the shit outta this, full kioslaves for previews of pics, docs, movies, anything right in the box, autocompletion, etc etc
[04:46] <selinium_> Hi there,are all the hoary repo offline?
[04:46] <El_Che> eracerbit: if your needs are advanced enough to need it, you'll do find with keyb shortcuts
[04:46] <xukun> El_Che, hmm beter wait then
[04:46] <robbkidd> So, what adjective do I put in my sources.list to keep following the development version?
[04:47] <bpf> chongbook, that's funny you gave him those instructions. are you using a thinkpad?
[04:47] <nalioth> selinium_: you know today they're getting hammered
[04:47] <ichi> Has anyone done a dist-upgrade to 5.10 with out problems ?
[04:47] <El_Che> eracerbit: I have never seen a regular user type the path in linux / windows/ mac
[04:47] <robbkidd> Damn stable releases! I want my crashes!
[04:47] <El_Che> eracerbit: click click
[04:47] <chongbook> bpf, no i'm using an asus s5n
[04:47] <mwe> shonkey: I would link it to the plugins dir in the profile dir, but that's just me
[04:47] <eracerbit> yeah, thats tru, click click =/
[04:47] <ScatterBrain> Something telss me that "Network Manager" is quite ready for prime time.
[04:47] <eracerbit> point well taken
[04:47] <noddaba> where can I find the list of repository mirrors (if there are any)?  i see the list of download mirrors, can those sites be used in my sources.list?
[04:47] <ingenierator> hello, i just see the relase of the 5.10 it's possible to upgrade a 5.04 dist to a 5.10 via apt ?
[04:47] <chongbook> ScatterBrain, apparently its fine if you use fedora
[04:47] <robbkidd> Did a dist-upgrade to Breezy before it was released and had no problems.
[04:47] <nalioth> ichi: lots of us. it's the preferred method for upgrading
[04:47] <ScatterBrain> chongbook: heh.
[04:47] <daan> ingenierator: Better to just do a fresh install
[04:48] <bpf> chongbook, I have a thinkpad x40 and I haven't messed with it much yet, but I don't think the suspend/hibernate is working properly
[04:48] <chongbook> ScatterBrain, it was developed by redhat afterall
[04:48] <gilbert_> printer problem
[04:48] <gilbert_> i cant print
[04:48] <gilbert_> why?
[04:48] <sproingie> eracerbit: kde file manager and file dialogs are really the main reason i run kubuntu
[04:48] <chongbook> bpf, there's info on the wiki to make the thinkpads work iirc
[04:48] <ScatterBrain> chongbook: Yeah, I may switch back to wifi radar.
[04:48] <gilbert_> pls. pls, entertain me pls.
[04:48] <gilbert_> i'am newbie
[04:48] <SpiderMan> lots of my packages of faling to d/load, should I be worried :)
[04:48] <chongbook> ScatterBrain, i have my own custom perl script that does the same as networkmanager
[04:48] <chongbook> do everything through interfaces
[04:48] <ingenierator> don't work proppertly ?
[04:48] <El_Che> ingenierator: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[04:48] <chongbook> and then bound to an acpi event
[04:49] <zenlinuxNH> Don't forget to check out the "Extreme Ubuntu Install Challenge" for a few laughs: http://www.zenlinux.com/ubuntu_challenge/
[04:49] <chongbook> its hot
[04:49] <hypnox> has anyone else got the bug relating to 'find in page' in firefox??
[04:49] <chongbook> zenlinuxNH, my ubuntu laptop has been to the top of mt fuji ;)
[04:49] <El_Che> chongbook: do you use zaenity on your script?
[04:49] <chongbook> El_Che, no
[04:49] <El_Che> chongbook: thinking of doing it too
[04:49] <zenlinuxNH> chongbook: nice!
[04:49] <eracerbit> sproingie: same here... would love to see someone come up with a way of abstracting those dialogs so gtk apps run under KDE would have KDE-style file dialogs.. thtwould rock
[04:49] <daan> SpiderMan: you have to be realy patient when downloading. It will start eventualy
[04:49] <chongbook> zenlinuxNH, it was raining though so i couldnt take the laptop out
[04:49] <gilbert_> how can i now that my ubuntu is stable or unstable
[04:50] <zenlinuxNH> chongbook: sounds like some pretty "extreme" conditions. :)
[04:50] <sproingie> eracerbit: technically, it shouldn't even be that hard
[04:50] <SpiderMan> daan: did your packages fail though,
[04:50] <robbkidd> Hmmm. <pokes his APT source targets>  They're a little pokey today.
[04:50] <ichi> nalioth. just curious and a little anxious about the possability of loosing some of my system I did not realise it was the preferd way
[04:50] <robbkidd> I wonder what's up.
[04:50] <chongbook> zenlinuxNH, indeed
[04:50] <Toma-> i wonder why ubuntu.com is lagged
[04:50] <daan> SpiderMan: no they didn't fail. But it got stuck at 66% for a few minutes.
[04:50] <eracerbit> heheheheh i wonder....
[04:50] <Trackilizer> Just wanted to ask, will i lose all my settings after i do "ap-get dist-upgrade"
[04:50] <Trackilizer> ?
[04:50] <eracerbit> why could ubuntu's servers be slow.. hmmmm
[04:50] <sproingie> eracerbit: you'd need a stub of some sort on the gtk side that invoked the kde dialog via some ipc intermediary and got the result back the same way
[04:51] <SpiderMan> mine are actually failing, Connection failed [IP: 82.211.81.151 80]  ? ?
[04:51] <mustard5> Trackilizer, I wouldnt think so
[04:51] <eracerbit> i think gtk and qt read the filesystem differently
[04:51] <nalioth> Trackilizer: no you will not. your system uses apt-get, which is designed to upgrade seamlessly
[04:51] <daan> SpiderMan: hmm i don't know why that is. maybe your server is overloaded
[04:51] <eracerbit> but if the dialogs return the results to the app the same, like say just a string for the path, it should work fine
[04:51] <Trackilizer> So, all it will do is update my system but my settings will all stay the same?
[04:52] <Trackilizer> cool!
[04:52] <sproingie> eracerbit: perhaps, but they don't need to know about each other.  the gtk app would never know another dialog took over
[04:52] <nalioth> Trackilizer: correct
[04:52] <spiral> hi
[04:52] <Trackilizer> Great!
[04:52] <athlon> could someone with breezy please send me their /etc/apt/sources.list ? think I've mangled mine
[04:52] <RedGhost> how can i access the root terminal?
[04:52] <Trackilizer> Another thing i wanted to know, is where can i find the apple quicktime plugin for Firefox?
[04:52] <eracerbit> sproingie: maybe someone has done this? ill google around for it
[04:52] <nalioth> ubotu: tell athlon about sources
[04:53] <war-totem> can someone point me to a resource to learn how to back up files in ubuntu?
[04:53] <daan> athlon: there should be a backup in that folder
[04:53] <Toma-> anyone in WA, au, have a decent mirror of kubuntu?
[04:53] <sproingie> anyone know how to switch tabs with the keyboard in xchat?
[04:53] <athlon> thanks !
[04:53] <nalioth> Trackilizer: you need the mplayer plugin and libquicktime0
[04:53] <ingenierator> very thank man
[04:53] <SpiderMan> don't know, but I'm going to let it run and see what happens,
[04:53] <joker667> bpf, this doesnt help me, i already told him to unload the modules manually
[04:53] <robbkidd> Trackilizer: Well, you've got two sets of settings.  One set is your user account settings, which will not be touched at all.  The other set in your system settings, generally kept in /etc, which APT will update only if you haven't customized them.  For those you have customized, APT/dpkg will ask you to resolve conflicts.  No worries.
[04:53] <RedGhost> how can i run the root terminal?
[04:53] <SpiderMan> does anybody know where I can get a list of mirrors ? So I know where mine is going
[04:53] <bpf> joker667, sorry, just trying to help
[04:54] <selinium_> RedGhost, You can use sudo to run commands or sudo su to change to root
[04:54] <RedGhost> yeah i know but its easier to just launch the root terminal
[04:54] <darkbird> what should i do? my sudo apt-get update froze at 44%!!!!!
[04:54] <RedGhost> saves a few lines
[04:54] <Trackilizer> So, i can install the quicktime plugin using Synaptic?
[04:54] <war-totem> anyone?
[04:54] <RedGhost> but it isnt in the menu like it wa for 5.04
[04:54] <ichi> RedGhost. sudo xterm
[04:54] <nalioth> darkbird: the servers are being hammered today. stop your process and try it again later
[04:55] <nalioth> Trackilizer: if you have all your repos enabled, yes
[04:55] <darkbird> nevermind, it just continued
[04:55] <joker667> bpf, ok, thanks for that
[04:55] <eracerbit> sprongie: oops... it's not contol-q, thats for sure
[04:55] <selinium_> Hi nalioth :) Busy today, I wonder why?
[04:55] <war-totem> can someone point me to a resource to learn how to back up files in ubuntu?
[04:55] <ichi> I think i'm going to wait a day or two looking at this ;)
[04:55] <Trackilizer> Okie thanks alot, will try that now, will be back it a bit if that doesnt work
[04:55] <nalioth> selinium_: hmmmm, i'd have to think hard on that one
[04:55] <robbkidd> war-totem: www.google.com ?
[04:55] <eracerbit> xchat looks preety cool with its transparency effect
[04:55] <joker667> anybody else out there, who has working ati-drivers and standby on a laptop
[04:55] <chongbook> war-totem, i'm a big fan of tar but that's not very n00b friendly
[04:56] <Toma-> when does breezy come out? :D
[04:56] <chongbook> Toma-, topic
[04:56] <kemik> Toma-:  really ?
[04:56] <eracerbit> hey, mwe, are you still around
[04:56] <Toma-> chongbook: i know :P
[04:56] <chongbook> ;)
[04:56] <robbkidd> war-totem: What sort of files are you interested in backing up?  User documents? User source code? User settings? System settings?
[04:56] <war-totem> chongbook, what is more noob friendly?
[04:56] <Toma-> when does the next ubuntu come out?
[04:56] <kemik> Toma-:  6months
[04:56] <chongbook> war-totem, dunno i've always used tar
[04:56] <Toma-> oh cool
[04:56] <chongbook> heh
[04:56] <Toma-> didnt expect that
[04:56] <chongbook> war-totem, maybe archive manager?
[04:56] <Toma-> just trying to annoy the helpers ;)
[04:57] <nalioth> Toma-: the releases are numbered in year and month of release, therefore ubuntu 6.04 will be out in april 2006
[04:57] <vanbykow> hello, how can i installl xmms?
[04:57] <darkbird> i have another question, after sudo apt-get dist-upgrade is done, do I reboot, THEN apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop, or do I just do that afterwards, without rebooting????
[04:57] <war-totem> chongbook, thanks ill check them both out
[04:57] <nalioth> Toma-: dont tease the zoo animals, please
[04:57] <Toma-> orsom
[04:57] <war-totem> vanbykow, sudo apt-get install xmms
[04:57] <chongbook> vanbykow, open up synaptic and search for xmms
[04:57] <robbkidd> What's 6.04's [adjective]  [animal] ?
[04:57] <nalioth> vanbykow: use synaptic
[04:57] <chongbook> and check the box for installing it and click apply
[04:57] <Toma-> just annoyed coz none of my local mirrors have it yet :(
[04:57] <nalioth> robbkidd: dapper drake
[04:57] <nalioth> Toma-: jump on the torrent
[04:57] <gilbert_> ubuntu suuuuks printer detection
[04:58] <foxiness> is here who use smartlink with breezy?
[04:58] <selinium_> war-totem, Have a look a rsync for running your backups
[04:58] <mcben> hi every body
[04:58] <Toma-> hmmm. perhaps. after midnight so i dont fill my quota :D
[04:58] <vanbykow> yes, but the problem is that he not find the source for install it.
[04:58] <occy> w00p
[04:58] <occy> breezy++
[04:58] <gilbert_> hi
[04:58] <gilbert_> how are you mcben
[04:58] <occy> not 1 thing was broken on it.
[04:58] <nalioth> ubotu: tell vanbykow about sources
[04:58] <mcben> gilbert_: fine thx ;-)
[04:58] <chongbook> occy, speak for yourself ;)
[04:58] <nalioth> ubotu: tell vanbykow about repos
[04:58] <robbkidd> nalioth: And the Mandrake^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HMandriva people are okay with this?
[04:58] <selinium_> occy, yet! :)
[04:58] <chongbook> i cant boot the breezy kernel
[04:58] <occy> Video, audio, everything worked.
[04:59] <occy> selinium, heh
[04:59] <yonil> Q: how can i make nautilius display the location bar as default (the one that lets me enter a location) +
[04:59] <yonil> ?*
[04:59] <nalioth> robbkidd: okay with what?
[04:59] <chongbook> if i do i cant sudo, and my wifi card and keyboard become mutually exclusive ;)
[04:59] <occy> I had problems with Hoary and video, not major, but it worked with no problem this time.
[04:59] <sproingie> nalioth: huh, i never figured that version convention before.  tho with debian and ubuntu, i hardly ever speak of version numbers, just names
[04:59] <Toma-> robbkidd: mandrake is a plant
[04:59] <Toma-> afaik
[04:59] <occy> :)
[04:59] <mcben> i've just upgraded to kubuntu breezy. what should i have to do to beneficit from the laptop support enhancement ?
[04:59] <Chandon> Anyone have any idea what mirrors aren't borked?
[04:59] <Toma-> nothing to do with ducks
[04:59] <occy> chongbook, sorry. :(
[04:59] <robbkidd> nalioth: Dapper *DRAKE*. Just a joke, and not a very good one.
[04:59] <gilbert_> click your dick
[04:59] <gilbert_> hehehehe
[04:59] <gilbert_> hehehe
[04:59] <gilbert_> hmmmmmmmmmmmm
[04:59] <gilbert_> it suuuuuuk
[04:59] <gilbert_> s
[05:00] <occy> chongbook, you upgrade or do a complete re-install?
[05:00] <sproingie> mcben: i imagine settings:/ has some laptop items?
[05:00] <chongbook> occy, upgrade
[05:00] <aleitner> Are the ubuntu apt servers failing for anybody else? I cannot seem to do an 'apt-get update'
[05:00] <occy> chongbook, ahh, did you use any Ubuntu Guide stuff?
[05:00] <occy> chongbook, in the past?
[05:00] <nalioth> aleitner: yes, the server(s) are being hammered today
[05:00] <sproingie> aleitner: not working for me either
[05:00] <chongbook> i'm going to do a fresh install as soon as i hack up a method of getting the installer on a usb flash drive
[05:00] <aleitner> nalioth: so they are just busy?
[05:00] <sproingie> aleitner: ah, it's release day
[05:00] <chongbook> no i only use stock hoary stuff
[05:00] <chongbook> er used
[05:00] <aleitner> sproingie: indeed (;
[05:00] <nalioth> aleitner: yes. breezy released earlier today
[05:00] <occy> chongbook, hmmm ok.  Yeah, I figured I'd just start with base install.
[05:01] <aleitner> ah, now i get a little ... (;
[05:01] <occy> chongbook, backup everything.
[05:01] <sproingie> there it goes.  yeah, it's just slow
[05:01] <occy> chongbook, before you start nuking :)
[05:01] <chongbook> occy, way ahead of ya ;)
[05:01] <robbkidd> I update on a release day and all I got are four library tweaks and a new OpenOffice help file!?!?  Where's all this stability coming from!?! Where's my slew of bug fixes!?
[05:01] <occy> ;)
[05:01] <occy> okies, time to restore my files
[05:01] <occy> heh
[05:01] <mcben> sproingie: sure.. there's something about that but nvram modules seems not be present :/
[05:01] <occy> bbl
[05:01] <mcben> insmod nvram fails :/
[05:01] <wezzer> phew
[05:01] <robbkidd> aleitner: Give it some time.  Mine took a few minutes to catch.
[05:01] <wezzer> luckily I got breezy to work
[05:01] <wezzer> but that wasn't easy
[05:01] <sproingie> mcben: not sure.  try #kubuntu.  i don't use a laptop myself
[05:01] <RedGhost> ichi: thanks i added xterm to menu
[05:02] <sam_> I just upgraded to breezy and now xchat doesnt work anymore.
[05:02] <chongbook> anyone know of a wiki page or anything on installing from a usb flash drive?
[05:02] <Toma-> anyone got the torent file for kubuntu breezy? :(
[05:02] <chongbook> my cdrom kicked the bucket yesterday...
[05:02] <darkbird> wish me luck, I'm dist-upgrade'ing
[05:02] <nalioth> chongbook: you found nothing at wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation  ?
[05:02] <nalioth> darkbird: you'll be ok
[05:02] <ichi> RedGhost. your welcome .
[05:03] <mcben> sproingie: ok, i'll try. thx
[05:03] <Sonderblade> does the mirrors of the ubuntu repositories have breezy yet?
[05:03] <nalioth> Sonderblade: yes
[05:03] <chongbook> nalioth, a search of the wiki for 'install usb' yields 0 results
[05:03] <chongbook> but i'm loading that page now
[05:03] <eracerbit> Sonderblade, nalioth: where are the mirrors??
[05:03] <robbkidd> All my joking aside: Ubuntuers -- Well done.  I've been enjoying using the Badger now for several weeks.
[05:04] <chongbook> wow
[05:04] <nalioth> eracerbit: www.ubuntulinux.org/download    has quite a few mirrors listed
[05:04] <jaramillo> i dont understand it. Why cant i browse ntfs partitions by default, but i can do it by going System > Administration > Disks. If i am the same normal (no-root) user ;-\
[05:04] <chongbook> install from usb flash drive is not on the advanced install page on the wiki
[05:04] <jaramillo> <-- Breezy ;D
[05:05] <mrimbert> morning, nalioth
[05:05] <eracerbit> nalioth: rawsome
[05:05] <nalioth> Morrowyn: MrStealth
[05:05] <Chandon> eracerbit, http://ubuntu.cs.utah.edu/ubuntu/ is the only one that was reasonably fast.
[05:05] <EasterSunshine> hello, all. i was wondering if there is a way to run a process but limit its total cpu usage to 20% no matter how idle the rest of the system is
[05:06] <eracerbit> Chandon: SHHHH!! ;p j/k
[05:06] <chongbook> EasterSunshine, unfortunately operating systems aren't designed to do that
[05:06] <Chandon> eracerbit, I'm done with it =P
[05:06] <EasterSunshine> =( my cpu has bad heating and it will shut off if i keep it at 100% for too long
[05:07] <Toma-> EasterSunshine: nice
[05:07] <Chandon> EasterSunshine, And a software hack is really a better plan than fixing the cooling issue?
[05:07] <vanbykow> ced
[05:07] <chongbook> a software hack would be an understatement
[05:07] <chongbook> you'd have to screw with the scheduler
[05:07] <chongbook> a lot
[05:08] <sproingie> chongbook: any reasonable OS can put a governer on CPU usage.
[05:08] <Toma-> EasterSunshine: nice is kinda like a cpu throttle
[05:08] <EasterSunshine> Chandon: yes, the thermal grease is like $20 usd, new motherboard is like $60 usd
[05:08] <Morrowyn> ???
[05:08] <Toma-> asif $20us. i can get it for $12au
[05:08] <Morrowyn> wazzup nalioth
[05:08] <chongbook> sproingie, not anything recent, new operating systems are designed to always keep the cpu busy
[05:09] <sproingie> EasterSunshine: you can renice the process, something like nice 10 <pid> ... it won't help if it really spikes the CPU, but it'll let other things run
[05:09] <chongbook> limiting it to anything other than 100% is a waste
[05:09] <EasterSunshine> Toma-: but even if i set the priority low, it will still use like 90% when available, right?
[05:09] <Toma-> EasterSunshine: no idea.
[05:09] <vanbykow> hello
[05:09] <nalioth> Morrowyn: mad rush for all available badgers, watch your feet
[05:09] <Chandon> EasterSunshine, What are you trying to run, distributed.net or something?
[05:09] <sproingie> chongbook: on idle, when they're not in some powersave mode, sure.  idle priority doesnt count
[05:09] <EasterSunshine> Chandon: rzip
[05:09] <Toma-> either that or tun off your thermal shutdown in the bios and pray to god that it doesnt melt
[05:10] <chongbook> sproingie, renicing a process doesnt make it use less cpu it just makes it yield the cpu to other processes the scheduler still tries to keep the cpu busy at all times
[05:10] <sproingie> EasterSunshine: with a stock kernel, yes, it'll tend to spike and dip a lot.  if it's really gone berzerk, you probably should consider an alternative to that app
[05:10] <Chandon> EasterSunshine, Does i have any flags that really hurt performance like a "I totally have 20 megs of cache" flag?
[05:10] <RedGhost> new gnome kicks ass
[05:11] <EasterSunshine> Chandon: nope
[05:11] <Chandon> EasterSunshine, Rats.
[05:11] <sproingie> chongbook: i know how operating systems work.  and no OS tries to spin the CPU at full use all the time, in fact linux goes out of its way to sent HLT when idle
[05:11] <chongbook> so if there arent any other processes that need to be run then it will put that reniced process back on the cpu and you still get your overheating problem
[05:11] <ivar> damn. the /.'ing has happened.. i thought things were rough when I was getting 20kbps.. now I'm getting 2kbps.
[05:12] <eracerbit> hey, anyone know if breezy 'backports' and extras are up
[05:12] <dreamwave> good morning (well, it is here).  i'd like to reformat my usb drive.  the partition shows up in the gnome disks manager program but the buttons to create a new partition are grayed out.  what do i do?
[05:12] <ivar> sproingie, all the means is that you can't procrastinate by surfing /.
[05:12] <sproingie> chongbook: you are right about nice not being an answer to overheating.  what he needs is speedstep or powernow or whatever they're calling it now
[05:12] <eracerbit> hey, look, guys, ubuntu's here
[05:12] <chongbook> sproingie, exactly
[05:12] <eracerbit> oh he left
[05:12] <sproingie> ivar: true, though i feel myself becoming smarter each day i'm not on /.
[05:13] <yancheng> any hugin user here?
[05:13] <kenro> Anyone here has a yahoo! mail account?
[05:13] <eracerbit> heheh i love wasting time on /.
[05:13] <Morrowyn> oh ok :)
[05:13] <sproingie> i loved it too much.  and it brought out the worst in me
[05:13] <eracerbit> its like reading the same story 1200 different ways
[05:13] <piotr> kkenro: i have
[05:14] <piotr> but i'm usin it on win
[05:14] <kenro> piotr: I need dl a bunch of email.
[05:14] <Morrowyn> i can distupgrade from 5.04 to 5.10 right?
[05:14] <sproingie> i think what burned me most about slashdot is that i had good geek journalist friends who couldn't find any work, while the editors at /. were being *paid* for what they did
[05:14] <chongbook> Morrowyn, read the release notes
[05:14] <piotr> i have gmail acount too
[05:14] <sam_> Anyone else having xchat crashing after upgrading to breezy?
[05:14] <sproingie> i should accept that injustice exists, but it rankled me all the same
[05:15] <Morrowyn> :)
[05:15] <Morrowyn> well ill be upping it next week or so
[05:15] <eracerbit> heheh yeah, didnt realize those mods got paid
[05:15] <Morrowyn> when i have my floptop back
[05:15] <Morrowyn> :)
[05:15] <Morrowyn> thanks for the info btw
[05:15] <sproingie> eracerbit: not the mods, the uh, "editors"
[05:15] <twysted> lets take the office topic chat to #ubuntu-offtopic ;)
[05:15] <robbkidd> sproingie: The "editors" at Slashdot are there to accept stories about stories that will bring readers to look at advertisements.  Very different than journalism and, unfortunately, pays better.
[05:16] <piotr> kenro: how can ya do that?
[05:16] <chongbook> Morrowyn, short answer is yes you should just be able to change yer sources.list but you should always read the release notes (good practice)
[05:16] <Kimppa> Hello. Can you recommend some software for browsing my file system (KDE)? Konqueror keeps crashing more often than IE on windows o_O
[05:16] <eracerbit> sproingie: what, the people that write the little blurb on top and copy the first paragraph of the article?
[05:16] <damo21> RAY CHARLES IS THE KING!
[05:16] <damo21> :D
[05:16] <kenro> piotr: Beats the * outa me...
[05:16] <bronson> Wow.  The mirrors appear to be hammered.  I blame OOo 2.0.
[05:16] <bronson> Kimppa: Roxen Filer?
[05:16] <Sonderblade> is breezy very much slower because of gcc 4.0?
[05:16] <sproingie> robbkidd: they don't even do that effectively.  i guess it's whatever remains of work ethic in me.... that and alienation from 99% of the community there
[05:16] <chongbook> Sonderblade, not from what i can tell
[05:16] <Renski> why would gcc 4 slow it down?
[05:17] <bronson> Sonderblade, wouldn't that make it faster?
[05:17] <Renski> and second question...breezy comes with gcc 4?
[05:17] <chongbook> yes
[05:17] <damo21> gcc 4 should speed it up if u compile it for your arch
[05:17] <damo21> :)
[05:17] <chongbook> er well
[05:17] <robbkidd> sproingie: I hear ya. ..er.. Read ya.
[05:17] <chongbook> no
[05:17] <chongbook> i think you need build-essential to get gcc
[05:17] <Sonderblade> gcc 4 is said to be slower than 3.4
[05:17] <piotr> kenro: you mean spam?
[05:17] <daan> is it possible to get color markings in a console text editor like vim?
[05:17] <chongbook> gcc4 should be slower
[05:17] <chongbook> its been revamped quite a bit
[05:17] <chongbook> but it will get faster in the near future i'd imagine
[05:18] <sproingie> gcc4 has optimization problems with math-heavy stuff.  they're fixing it already
[05:18] <Renski> chongbook: wouldnt that make the compile, rather than the running slower?
[05:18] <robbkidd> Slower to *compile* or code that it compiles *runs* slower?
[05:18] <damo21> why would anyone release a gcc that is slower?
[05:18] <Renski> robbkidd: ditto
[05:18] <chongbook> compiles code that runs slower iirc
[05:18] <sproingie> it was doing some silly back-and-forth register swapping with FP
[05:18] <kenro> piotr: Some might say that, but it's basiccally legitimate email.
[05:18] <chongbook> damo21, its the first release of the next major version
[05:19] <Sonderblade> i guess it also depends on what compile options the ubuntu devs have used
[05:19] <chongbook> yea
[05:19] <chongbook> not that it really matters
[05:19] <sproingie> daan: vim has syntax hilighting built in.  just put 'syntax enable' as the first line in your .vimrc, and start vim as vim, not vi
[05:19] <chongbook> the kernel was compiled with gcc3.4
[05:19] <chongbook> and the kernel is the only thing that really matters
[05:19] <sproingie> kernel actually doesn't get much out of compiler optimization
[05:19] <chongbook> dont let the gentoo guys get to ya
[05:19] <daan> sproingie: thanks :)
[05:19] <damo21> ubuntu isnt heavily optimised... so how can gcc4 make a difference... ubuntu 386 code works on most x86 platforms
[05:20] <sproingie> the kernel's almost entirely i/o bound
[05:20] <piotr> kenro: try to ask someone else, i'm sorry, i cannot help ya
[05:20] <wrabbit> Hey all. I keep getting the odd error when I try to update my sources.  Not sure why
[05:20] <Renski> chongbook: were talking small problems with some programs then?
[05:20] <Sonderblade> chongbook: the -g option that adds debug info and -fomit-frame-pointer are influental
[05:20] <chongbook> Renski, i'd not think there will be problems
[05:20] <Renski> till the gcc guess get it sorted
[05:20] <wickedpuppy> wrabbit, what you get ? can paste if its not too long ?
[05:20] <david__> hi i'm talking from my recently installed ubuntu 5.10: the first time i install linux and all went perfect!!! :D
[05:20] <kenro> piotr: You spoke up. :) Thanks anyway.
[05:20] <ranok> how do you get quicktime .movs to work on linux?
[05:20] <ranok> ubunut
[05:20] <Renski> s/guess/guys/
[05:20] <sproingie> david__: congratulations and welcome
[05:20] <chongbook> Renski, the packages have gone under intense QA
[05:21] <robbkidd> David: Well done and congradulations.
[05:21] <chongbook> you should be fine
[05:21] <Renski> yay daved
[05:21] <damo21> i cant find a decent cd to burn ubuntu iso onto so i cant use it lol
[05:21] <Renski> (david
[05:21] <chongbook> as long as yer not going crazy adding 3rd party repos to your sources.list
[05:21] <phreakshow> Hey
[05:21] <mrimbert> david__: right on!
[05:21] <wrabbit> wickedpuppy, they're quite long... I'll try to update again and I'll paste into pastebin
[05:21] <wickedpuppy> okie
[05:21] <sam_> Woot, this update ruined both xchat and gaim.
[05:21] <phreakshow> How do i delete history in mozzilla firefox?
[05:21] <Renski> sam_ define ruined?
[05:21] <piotr> gaim suxx
[05:21] <sam_> Renski: they crash when starting
[05:21] <dooglus> damo21: you can mount a .iso in loopback mode.  you don't need to burn it
[05:22] <Renski> phreakshow: theres a menu item for it on the beta release, iirc
[05:22] <Renski> I think that release went live
[05:22] <gleesond> I want to fromat my NFTS partition and move my music into my home dir... first is that good. second is there a way to make the partition that my home dir is in bigger?
[05:23] <occy> how do I set the mirror I am using via command line?
[05:23] <occy> I've installed breezy already
[05:23] <chongbook> occy, run apt-setup
[05:23] <robbkidd> Does Ubuntu have a sort of apt-spy to test mirror response?
[05:23] <occy> chongbook: ahhh, danke :)
[05:23] <robbkidd> I probably shouldn't be hanging off of the main archive.
[05:23] <windex_> hm.
[05:23] <robbkidd> Ah. Nevermind.
[05:24] <occy> probably a bad idea to try and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade right now.
[05:24] <occy> heh
[05:24] <mindspore> man is dist-upgrade sloowwww,
[05:24] <ady> hiiiiiiiii
[05:24] <occy> mindspore: nod
[05:24] <chongbook> occy, just use a fast mirror ;)
[05:24] <mindspore> getting like 14-25kb/s
[05:24] <occy> chongbook: heh, they exist?
[05:24] <mindspore> oh well, not in a hurry
[05:24] <chongbook> occy, lug.mtu.edu (the mirror i run)
[05:25] <kenro> Bah. I have over 150 emailed reports from infowars.com and can do nothing with them but read remotely.
[05:25] <tristan622ph> what is the best CD Ripper for Ubuntu?
[05:25] <Enlite> im looking for a snmp monitoring/notification package.. anyone have any recomendations? Ive looked into Hybodus, however its WAY to expensive
[05:25] <tristan622ph> MP3 Ripper i mean
[05:25] <occy> chongbook: hmmm, that in the list in apt-setup?
[05:25] <tristan622ph> CD to MP3
[05:26] <ady> hi all
[05:26] <chongbook> occy, it is for debian but i dunno about ubuntu
[05:26] <ady> I am joined
[05:26] <wrabbit> Just before I try again... I think it may have worked earlier on in the day.  These are the software sources listed and ticked... CD ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger" (Binary... Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger" (Source) ... Ubuntu 5.10 Updates (Binary) ... Ubuntu 5.10 Updates (source) ,,, Ubuntu 5.10 BB Binary... Ubuntu 5.10 bb source ... Ubuntu 5.10 securityt updates srouce ... ubuntu 5.10 security updates binary and ubuntu 6.10 security up
[05:26] <wrabbit> dates source
[05:26] <tristan622ph> hi too
[05:26] <ady> I am joined
[05:26] <ady> I am joined
[05:26] <oSx> hey anyone know if the extra repositories in unoffical ubuntuguide works with 5.10?
[05:26] <ady> I am joined
[05:26] <wrabbit> whoah.. sorry. Pretty long
[05:26] <tristan622ph> yes you are
[05:26] <ady> hi all
[05:26] <ady> I am joined
[05:26] <occy> chongbook: under Ubuntu it shows global areas.
[05:26] <ady> hi all
[05:26] <ady> I am joined
[05:26] <ady> hi all
[05:26] <ady> I am joined
[05:26] <Toma-> thats just dandy...
[05:26] <oSx> hey anyone know if the extra repositories in unoffical ubuntuguide works with 5.10?
[05:26] <helpme> can we stop greetings now
[05:26] <wrabbit> Maybe it's giving me an error because I'm trying to update them again
[05:26] <wrabbit> not sure
[05:27] <mrimbert> ady: ok, please stop repeatin
[05:27] <ady> any girl here?
[05:27] <dooglus> oSx: if anyone knows, they'll probably tell you.  you don't need to keep asking
[05:27] <ady> chat with me
[05:27] <sproingie> someone boot ady
[05:27] <wrabbit> Any help would be great cosI'm trying to install multimedia codecs and dvd playback
[05:27] <dooglus> ady: ffs!
[05:27] <chongbook> occy, ahh apparently if you tell it to use a mirror in the us it just defaults to us.ubuntu.something
[05:27] <ady> any girl here?
[05:27] <ady> chat with me
[05:27] <ady> any girl here?
[05:27] <ady> chat with me
[05:27] <ady> any girl here?
[05:27] <ady> any girl here?
[05:27] <helpme> yes im a girl
[05:27] <ady> any girl here?
[05:27] <sproingie> annoybot.  ban the host.
[05:27] <ady> any girl here?
[05:27] <wrabbit> most mm codecs work bar a couple.  DVD playback won't and gives me an error when I try to apt-get install it
[05:27] <helpme> chat with me and have ur best time...lol
[05:27] <chongbook> occy, if you wanna use my mirror head to http://lug.mtu.edu and add it to your sources.list by hand
[05:28] <ericmoritz> what the?
[05:28] <sproingie> mrimbert beats nalioth to the punch.  yer both my heroes tho :)
[05:28] <wrabbit> Anybody?
[05:28] <nalioth> ady: chat in #ubuntu-offtopic please
[05:28] <dooglus> ady is a bot.
[05:28] <mrimbert> sproingie: :)
[05:28] <Slaj_R> Question:  I learned how to change the splash screen, but how do I change the bgcolor behind the splash screen from brown to something else?
[05:28] <piotr> see ya
[05:28] <Nicolinux> hi folks, I just installet latest Ubuntu 5.10 and now upon boot the X server start but the screen goes dark - help I am lost
[05:28] <piotr> startx
[05:29] <helpme> Nicolinux: reboot
[05:29] <Nicolinux> donethat :)
[05:29] <[yzero] > Anyone know any ftp site I can get breezy from?
[05:29] <wrabbit> Did anybody read my above question or did I just type out all the sources for nothing?
[05:29] <helpme> wrabbit: have patience
[05:30] <Shadowline> [yzero] : notice the topic of the channel, I believe the links are there
[05:30] <Nicolinux> wrabbit: yeah like me - I've rebooted - still nothing :)
[05:30] <nalioth> [yzero] : www.ubuntulinux.org/download     has mirrors
[05:30] <helpme> hmmm.try kubuntu..is better than ubuntu:D
[05:30] <mrimbert> Nicolinux: please switch to a console and inspect /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:30] <Sonderblade> Slaj_R: you mean GNOME's splashscreen?
[05:31] <dooglus> [yzero] : where in the world are you?
[05:31] <Nicolinux> mrimbert: did that too - it detects the card correctly -> radeon mobility 9600 pro
[05:31] <Projekt-X> 01110011011000110111001001100101011101110010000001110101
[05:31] <wrabbit> I'm running XFCE if that has anything to do with it
[05:31] <Slaj_R> never mind, I think I found it.
[05:31] <yz1> grrr
[05:31] <Nicolinux> mrimbert: I've got the feeling that it does akward things with the DST - is this the default now?
[05:31] <wrabbit> might be the hardware but I dunno... I'm running it on a thinkpad
[05:31] <Slaj_R> I got that confused w/ desktop background.
[05:31] <Toma-> Projekt-X: no, screw you.
[05:32] <mrimbert> Toma-: be nice
[05:32] <Toma-> he said it first :(
[05:32] <Toma-> in binary
[05:32] <Slaj_R> Is the default value saved somewhere?  Or should I take a note of it if I want to go back to the original?
[05:32] <daan> convince me to try kubuntu instead of ubunty :P
[05:32] <Projekt-X> H?
[05:33] <codo> what version of KDE kubuntu has now ?
[05:33] <frank23> 3.4.3
[05:33] <dooglus> [yzero] : the US FTP site is ftp://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.10/
[05:33] <mrimbert> Nicolinux: not sure what happened then...you're using fglrx?
[05:33] <Toma-> daan: kde has a compmgr built into the wm
[05:33] <Nicolinux> mrimbert: it is the first start after the install
[05:33] <Nicolinux> mrimbert: so, no
[05:33] <adwait> codo: but u can get 3.5beta
[05:33] <frank23> the repositories are down?
[05:34] <adwait> frank23: no.........but probably overloaded
[05:34] <nalioth> frank23: repos are being hammered
[05:34] <mrimbert> Nicolinux: have you tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to verify it's setup correctly?
[05:34] <Nicolinux> mrimbert: no, good idea thanks - i will do it now
[05:34] <mrimbert> Nicolinux: you might also consider trying to install the fglrx drivers, if you want to
[05:35] <sproingie> anyone using the r300 drivers?  they any good?
[05:35] <wrabbit> http://pastebin.com/392325 < -- this is what I get when I try to apt-get install libdvdcss2
[05:35] <wrabbit> Please help
[05:35] <ktogias> Trying to apt-get update in breezy connection to http://archive.ubuntu.com is very slow or just fails... Are servers stressed due to the todays' release?
[05:35] <Projekt-X> %63%75%72%73%65%20%79%6F%75%20%6E%65%72%64%00
[05:35] <nalioth> ubotu: tell wrabbit about hoary-extras
[05:35] <dooglus> ktogias: you guessed it
[05:35] <wrabbit> I'm in breeze nalioth
[05:35] <wrabbit> y
[05:36] <wrabbit> I just wanna get dvds to work
[05:36] <nalioth> wrabbit: that's the only place i know to get what you want
[05:36] <ericmoritz> how long does the update take generally? on like 3.0dsl
[05:36] <lexx> Anyone know an ftp site for ubuntu.. pls quick before my connection dies lol
[05:36] <nightswim> omg lol
[05:36] <Nicolinux> mrimbert: yes I will try the ati bins but it's a shame that ubuntu chokes on an dell inspiron 8600...
[05:36] <nalioth> ericmoritz: if the servers aren't being hammered, a few minutes
[05:36] <MFen> just thought i'd drop by and say congratulations.  i'm downloading the torrent right now
[05:36] <dooglus> lexx: ftp://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.10/
[05:36] <lexx> Thanks!
[05:37] <lexx> now i can goto bed =] 
[05:37] <dooglus> lexx: it's the same site as the http...
[05:37] <dooglus> lexx: just a different protocol
[05:37] <lexx> I know.. I need resume
[05:37] <lexx> thats why i want ftp
[05:37] <daan> ubuntu site is getting hammered too :(
[05:37] <dooglus> lexx: why not use bittorrent?
[05:38] <wrabbit> So synaptic or apt-get can't help me?  It worked fine on my desktop
[05:38] <dooglus> lexx: and you can resume http transfers anyway.
[05:38] <nightswim> http can resume too innit
[05:38] <david__> is it possible to install java and netbeans in ubuntu in an automatic way?
[05:38] <mrimbert> Nicolinux: that's not normal.  You're sure the cd burn was successful?  Did the install seem to go smoothly?
[05:39] <sector10> whats the best way to do home networking for 2 boxes?
[05:39] <inter_active> Hi @ all
[05:39] <TiMiDo> sector10: ??
[05:39] <TiMiDo> hi inter_active
[05:39] <sector10> hi
[05:39] <Nicolinux> mrimbert: well burned the iso with a mac (mac os x) and took the n00b install mode. the old ubuntu worked well
[05:40] <mrimbert> sector10: it's your preference, really.  You can use a crossover cable, if you want.
[05:40] <codo> ubuntu breezy is no problems :) ?
[05:40] <ubuntuking> hello all
[05:40] <looga> hello all: I have japanese text/typing support enabled on my ubuntu. in the upgrade installation process, I'm getting many messages about this. Please take a look at the pertinent output at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3037. What shoudl i do?
[05:40] <erchache> hi again
[05:40] <mrimbert> Nicolinux: can you check the md5sum of the .iso?
[05:40] <sector10> TiMiDo: i meant through some of these new features in networking
[05:40] <TiMiDo> looga: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[05:40] <erchache> when try to install via apt-get show me that
[05:40] <sector10> both my boxes are wireless
[05:40] <sector10> just want to share files
[05:41] <Nicolinux> mrimbert: good idea again - i will check
[05:41] <erchache> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[05:41] <erchache> why?
[05:41] <looga> TiMiDo: should i do it now, while installation is happening, or after?
[05:41] <erchache> need to get other key for source.list?
[05:41] <wrabbit> This is what it says when I try to play a DVD in totem.... "Failed to play Audio/Video disc.  Failed to find mountpoint for device /dev/hdc in /etc/fstab"
[05:41] <eyequeue> erchache:  man apt-key
[05:41] <looga> TiMiDo: will running that command fix things for all the packages that give me this warning?
[05:41] <adwait> looga: no
[05:41] <adwait> looga: tht will just tell you more about the problem
[05:41] <inter_active> cu all bye
[05:41] <erchache> pub  1024D/437D05B5 2004-09-12 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[05:41] <erchache> sub  2048g/79164387 2004-09-12
[05:41] <erchache> pub  1024D/FBB75451 2004-12-30 Ubuntu CD Image Automatic Signing Key <cdimage@ubuntu.com>
[05:42] <erchache> correct?
[05:42] <looga> adwait: so when should i run that command? and how should i fix this problem?
[05:42] <adwait> looga: its not really a problem....u just need to import the keys which have been used to sign the software
[05:42] <erchache> eyequeue
[05:42] <erchache> pub  1024D/FBB75451 2004-12-30 Ubuntu CD Image Automatic Signing Key <cdimage@ubuntu.com>
[05:42] <apokryphos> erchache: don't paste in here
[05:42] <sector10> TiMiDo: how do i set up file sharing?
[05:42] <erchache> why...
[05:42] <erchache> security?
[05:42] <adwait> looga: you can just ignore the warning......no big deal reallly
[05:42] <eyequeue> erchache:  and what other repositories are you using?
[05:42] <apokryphos> erchache: no, because it floods the channel.
[05:42] <erchache> es.archive.ubuntu.com
[05:42] <pippijn> hi all
[05:42] <daan> What's a good program for handling torrents?
[05:43] <MFen> where can i find information about the new thin client stuff?
[05:43] <pippijn> I have an open screen, now someone uses ssh from another box and wants to screen -x to me but it says Cannot open your terminal '/dev/ttyp1' - please check. How can I fix that?
[05:43] <erchache> are updating for breezy and show that?
[05:43] <looga> adwait: glad to hear it's not a problem. what do you mean that i just have to import the keys? How do i import the keys to ALL The programs that are giving this warning? you said I can ignore it? What're the repercussions for ignoring it?
[05:43] <eyequeue> erchache:  *.ubuntu.com should be covered by the first key
[05:43] <ubudubu> hi all, i am planning to migrate to breez.. any word of caution?
[05:43] <looga> ubudubu: backup
[05:43] <sam_> ubudubu: xchat and gaim stopped working for me
[05:43] <ubudubu> !ubuntu
[05:43] <ubotu> [ubuntu]  an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian.  http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'. see !awards
[05:43] <ThomasM> ubudubu: There's a god upgrade guide on the wiki.  Ref: /topic
[05:43] <erchache> and if not?
[05:43] <looga> ubudubu: backup just in case.
[05:43] <erchache> where is the problem....man-in-the-middle?
[05:43] <typo> does breezy support installing LVM over RAID1?
[05:44] <MFen> btw, where the hell are all the torrent downloaders? i'm only getting 100k/s.  i know some of you 702 people still need to download it. fire up bittorrent dagnabbit
[05:44] <eyequeue> erchache: always possible, but i don't suppose it's the problem in this case
[05:44] <adwait> looga: basically, the programs are signed by encryption keys so that you can be sure that the software is clean. Now, you need to import the keys (small text files) so that your computer can verify against the signature in the software
[05:44] <wrabbit> music cds play fine
[05:44] <Nicolinux> mrimbert: hm, md5sums differ :/  my file is also called "ubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso" and the downloadable ones are called "ubuntu-5.10-rc-install-i386.iso" - damn I took the bittorrent download
[05:44] <typo> I have two disks and I want to make RAID1 between the whole of the two disks and then partition them with LVM
[05:44] <wrabbit> anybody?
[05:44] <erchache> can delete and apt automatically get other one new no?
[05:44] <sector10> in network settings the help box does not show what i got, i guess its a bug
[05:44] <looga> adwait, so you mean it's got nothing to do with having my locale set to Japan or Japanese or something?
[05:44] <dooglus> looga: I think there's a bug with foreign language support which should be fixed soon.
[05:44] <adwait> looga: so if u ignore, ur computer can't verify but goes ahead with the install, shouldn't be a problem since you are using ubuntu repositories
[05:44] <adwait> looga: NO
[05:44] <sector10> there is no new button
[05:44] <jcohen85> are the ubuntu servers overloaded. I'm trying to update my breezy system and package info isn't being downloaded
[05:44] <pippijn> anyone knows screen well?
[05:44] <eyequeue> Nicolinux:  "rc" == release candidate, not the final version
[05:44] <dooglus> It was fixed before the breezy release, but for some reason the fix was rejected.  Read all about it here: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15372
[05:45] <adwait> jc
[05:45] <apokryphos> jcohen85: they are, yes.
[05:45] <adwait> jcohen85: u betcha
[05:45] <sector10> jcohen85: yes its slow
[05:45] <Ng> wrabbit: are there any cdrom related lines in /etc/fstab?
[05:45] <Nicolinux> eyequeue: hm, was the link from the ubuntu frontpage - I'll check again
[05:45] <looga> adwait: you mean even people using only English language stuff on their computers have the warning , too?
[05:45] <gypsymauro> sorry there is available breezy DVD?
[05:45] <apokryphos> gypsymauro: correct
[05:45] <apokryphos> gypsymauro: it's a live+install+a few other packs
[05:45] <wrabbit> Ng, no idea
[05:45] <mrimbert> Nicolinux: you have the right image, but sounds like it's corrupted
[05:45] <adwait> looga: yes, probably if they haven't imported the appropriate keys
[05:45] <jcohen85> apokryphos, adwait, sector10 : well, that's what you get when you post a new release on slashdot :)
[05:45] <Ng> wrabbit: have a look :)
[05:45] <gypsymauro> apokryphos: where? I can find only the rc
[05:45] <dooglus> is it just me, or does "cdrom" always look like "condom" when you're scanning text?
[05:45] <Ng> dooglus: pretty sure that's just you ;)
[05:45] <eyequeue> Nicolinux:  yes, it may have been during the synchronization period, and all may be finished by now
[05:46] <looga> adwait: pardon my ignorance. what do you mean by "keys"? passwords?
[05:46] <adwait> jasoncohen: hehehe
[05:46] <apokryphos> jcohen85: it was overloaded far before the /. entry actually, but it couldn't have helped =)
[05:46] <Nicolinux> mrimbert: on one last check:
[05:46] <wrabbit> Ng, Just a tic
[05:46] <dooglus> Ng: just checking :)
[05:46] <axeus> I wonder if there is an X-Chat tray plugin for Gnome.
[05:46] <erchache> eyequeue: keys look good....but message appears....secure or not?
[05:46] <BurgerMann> Does anyone know if there's a tool that can use the same remote desktop protocol as MSN?
[05:46] <Nicolinux> hey folks - one small check - could someone post the md5sum of the ubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso - thanks much
[05:46] <looga> adwait: oh, i just re-read what you wrote.
[05:46] <jasoncohen> apokryphos, that's why one should update a day before or a few days after a new release rather than the same day
[05:46] <adwait> looga: no, not exactly passwords.......they contain information about HOW a file has been encrypted and hence how to decrypt it........basically they are sort of a digital signature
[05:46] <Kira> Time to go. Gonna reboot and install Breezy. :)
[05:46] <looga> adwait: i think i krnow what you mean by "keys" now.
[05:46] <Kira> Wish me luck. :)
[05:46] <Nicolinux> mine is: 126751a2dc5528c2f9044d9e4ee36d61
[05:47] <adwait> looga: :)
[05:47] <wrabbit> Ng, I can't work out where the file browser for XFCE is
[05:47] <codo> Kira, good luck
[05:47] <wrabbit> :|
[05:47] <eyequeue> erchache:  i'd listen to the message myself
[05:47] <looga> adwait, dooglus, did you import your keys?
[05:47] <Ng> wrabbit: "grep cdrom /etc/fstab" in a terminal
[05:47] <nalioth> wrabbit: xffm
[05:47] <dooglus> looga: sorry?
[05:47] <looga> adwait, dooglus, I'd like to get things as smooth as i can?
[05:47] <wrabbit> k
[05:47] <daan> Anyone got a good program for managing torrent downloads?
[05:47] <eyequeue> erchache:  let me double check here against my fingerprints, okay?
[05:47] <axeus> Lol I love virtual desktops.
[05:47] <Nicolinux> daan: check azureus
[05:47] <adwait> looga: I normally just ignore the warning :p.......i just imported the jonathan ridell key, in order to install KDE beta
[05:47] <apokryphos> daan: azureus/ktorrent
[05:47] <Kira> erm... never mind that... Neor: "Data verificaton failed"
[05:47] <Kira> stupid CD-RW
[05:47] <eracerbit> daan: azureus is a good java client
[05:47] <sector10> how do i add a connection to network settings?
[05:47] <axeus> I'll be messing around and see something on one of them and be like.. "hmm what's this", then I'll get over too it and It'll be a window I left open days/weeks ago.
[05:48] <wrabbit> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[05:48] <wrabbit>  <---this is what comes up
[05:48] <MFen> what's an "early userspace infrastructure" and what does it have to do with initramfs-tools?
[05:48] <BurgerMann> I'll try again: Does anyone know if there's a tool that can use the same remote desktop protocol as MSN?
[05:48] <apokryphos> gypsymauro: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/release/
[05:48] <eracerbit> daan: or if you're using kde, ktorrent seems to work fine also
[05:48] <apokryphos> gypsymauro: please only download the torrent though
[05:48] <jasoncohen> Nicolinux, http://mirror.cs.umn.edu/ubuntu-releases/5.10/MD5SUMS
[05:48] <jasoncohen> Nicolinux, 126751a2dc5528c2f9044d9e4ee36d61  ubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso
[05:48] <Knelix> Wow... a lot of people in the channel today.
[05:49] <apokryphos> indeed
[05:49] <looga> guys, i am facing a prompt in the installation. it's asking me if i want to keep current version of bash or use the newer version. WHat do you recommend? (Default  action is to keep my current action, but I always like getting the newest of things). Your advice please.
[05:49] <wrabbit> Ng, sorry... didn't highlight.  /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[05:49] <Nicolinux> jasoncohen: thanks - so my iso was not corrupted
[05:49] <jentalu> ouou
[05:49] <looga> adwait: so you need keys if you want to install some programs?
[05:49] <apokryphos> looga: Y
[05:49] <MFen> BurgerMann: windows uses the protocol supported by rdesktop. i don't know if msn uses the same, though.
[05:49] <Ng> wrabbit: hmm, well that looks normal
[05:49] <gypsymauro> apokryphos: tanx
[05:49] <jentalu> ya
[05:49] <gypsymauro> apokryphos: I'll do that
[05:49] <looga> apokryphos: "Y" as in Yes? get the new version?
[05:49] <Ng> wrabbit: what are you using to try and play the dvd? might be worth running it from a terminal, see what errors (if any) it spits out
[05:49] <apokryphos> yup
[05:49] <wrabbit> Ng,  :( Well...dvd playback won't install
[05:50] <eyequeue> erchache:  i suppose you could change es. to pt. or fr. mirrors?
[05:50] <looga> apokryphos: just curious, why is the default to keep current version?
[05:50] <wrabbit> Ng, Feel like walking me through the commands?
[05:50] <erchache> where i can see free bandwith of mirror ubuntu servers?
[05:50] <apokryphos> looga: don't know, tbh.
[05:50] <erchache> goes tooooo sloooooooooow
[05:50] <codo> apt-get update nothing is happening :(
[05:50] <adwait> looga: certain programs won't let u install unless u import the keys.....but kde beta was the first one i came across
[05:50] <TiMiDo> erchache: yeah everyone is doing the update from breezy that's why
[05:50] <apokryphos> codo: what are you trying to do?
[05:50] <eyequeue> codo:  mirrors are bogged down presently
[05:50] <wrabbit> Ng, totem
[05:50] <codo> oh okay
[05:50] <looga> adwait: in that case, i want to do what it takes to fix this "keys" problem.
[05:50] <tristan622ph> i have the same problem too
[05:51] <TiMiDo> it took me 10 minutes to update to 4 packages erchache
[05:51] <codo> apokryphos, upgdading to breezy
[05:51] <erchache> hehehehe this is good....
[05:51] <tristan622ph> i suggest that the update is torrent
[05:51] <apokryphos> codo: best to wait for a bit, I'd say. A lot of hype :)
[05:51] <codo> apokryphos, hmm....
[05:52] <obontu> if i'm using colony 5 and i kept updated it, is it the same as the one that was released today?
[05:52] <nalioth> wrabbit: hold on a minute and i'll help ya with libdvdcss2
[05:52] <Ng> nalioth: ah, good call
[05:52] <eyequeue> oba:  sadly, no
[05:52] <Ng> wrabbit: install libdvdread3 and run: sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh
[05:52] <wrabbit> nalioth, cheers
[05:52] <eyequeue> obontu:  there's new changes
[05:52] <obontu> really?
[05:52] <apokryphos> obontu: not the same; changes have been done everyday until the real release
[05:52] <obontu> so what do ido?
[05:52] <obontu> how do i update?
[05:52] <apokryphos> obontu: wait for a couple/few days, then dist-upgrade again
[05:52] <eyequeue> obontu:  almost every half hour new changes happened, for those of us using apt-get we could see that
[05:53] <TiMiDo> obontu: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:53] <wrabbit> Ng, k.... just a tic
[05:53] <obontu> thanx
[05:53] <ivanox> hey is some of the repos down or is it just me?
[05:53] <bulldooozzer> I need a tool in ubuntu that can help me ake an image of the current system and roll it out to several machines with the same hardware. Any suggestions?
[05:53] <eyequeue> obontu:  what TiMiDo said, with a sudo apt-get update before it
[05:53] <eyequeue> ivanox:  not "down" per se, just overburdened presently
[05:53] <Gwildor> idk how you guys handle this............
[05:53] <nalioth> wrabbit: join me in #kubuntu-offtopic please
[05:53] <obontu> so the command is
[05:53] <obontu>  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[05:53] <ivanox> eyequeue, ah damn.. =(
[05:54] <eracerbit> obontu: yes, after apt-get update
[05:54] <TiMiDo> obontu: sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:54] <eyequeue> obontu:  "udo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[05:54] <obontu> thanx
[05:54] <ivanox> anyone got unrar-nonfree as package?
[05:54] <eyequeue> obontu:  ssssudo of course :)
[05:54] <TiMiDo> ivanox: sudo apt-get install unrar-nonfree (:
[05:54] <nalioth> ivanox: yes lots of us do
[05:55] <ramblingturtle23> Thanks to anyone who worked on breezy. I have been running it now for about a week and everything is working great. Ubuntu has helped to make my life win free. THANKS AGAIN EVERYONE! You Rule!
[05:55] <obontu> thanx
[05:55] <obontu> same here
[05:55] <eyequeue> obontu:  "update" means go get the current list of current packages, so you'll always want to run that first
[05:55] <erchache> well today is not a good day to install ubuntu ;P.....update all mirrors slow lines
[05:55] <wrabbit> ng... that's done
[05:55] <eracerbit> what turtle said.
[05:55] <looga> guys, the upgrade instructions, specifically the "Post-Install" part has changed. Don't we need to sudo apt-get/update desktop or something?
[05:55] <obontu> ok thanx
[05:55] <ivanox> TiMiDo, the repos are overloaded.. It wont install =/
[05:55] <MFen> i'm serious people.. get on there and start downloading the torrent.. i'm not going to say this again! ;-)
[05:55] <Ng> wrabbit: ok, close totem if it's still open, start it again and try the DVD again
[05:56] <ivanox> wont download* sorry
[05:56] <damo21> :( i have the iso and no blank cd to burn it
[05:56] <damo21> lol
[05:56] <eracerbit> timido: wheres that
[05:56] <TiMiDo> Miami Florida eracerbit
[05:56] <eyequeue> looga:  you may be thinking of "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop (after the update and before the dist-upgrade) ... that makes certain you grab everything you need
[05:57] <looga> eyequeue: just to be safe, it 's good to do what you just typed, yes?
[05:57] <eracerbit> timido: thats where my gf wants to go, halloween horror nites
[05:57] <bobuse> Hi there !
[05:57] <wrabbit> Ng, nope.. didn't work.
[05:57] <eracerbit> we r in n fl
[05:57] <TiMiDo> yeah i've never been there so it's gonna be my first day
[05:57] <larsrohdin> where can I find good repositories for Breezy?
[05:57] <TiMiDo> hi bobuse
[05:57] <wrabbit> Hang on... nalioth's giving me a hand aswell
[05:57] <Ng> wrabbit: same error as last time? about the mountpoint?
[05:57] <TiMiDo> where eracerbit ?
[05:57] <looga> eyequeue: i already did both update and dist-upgrade!
[05:57] <hussam> how do I stop ntupdate from running at bootup ? it's useless since my ISP blocks NTP.
[05:57] <btdown> halloween horror nights is da shiznit. Went there last year..very cool
[05:57] <eracerbit> timido:tally
[05:57] <TiMiDo> oh tallahasee?
[05:57] <eracerbit> yeah, for now =/
[05:57] <eyequeue> looga:  yes, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:57] <TiMiDo> it's like 12 hours from tally to Miami
[05:58] <TiMiDo> on car
[05:58] <btdown> you could do UNiversals halloween thing in orlando
[05:58] <eyequeue> looga:  do that install after if need be, should not be dangerous, and could even be completely a do-nothing step, just consider it extra safety
[05:58] <eracerbit> btdown: ok that must be the thing im thinking of
[05:58] <TiMiDo> miami is the shitnez
[05:58] <bobuse> Installation of eclipse-platform needs mozilla. It's a bug ?
[05:58] <eracerbit> got it mixed up with the miami one
[05:58] <btdown> yeah it really is well done there...smoke/fog everywhere.
[05:59] <xenomeliteforce> hi all. Is it possible to upgrade from Hoary to Breezy with an install CD? The download is really slow here :-/
[05:59] <TiMiDo> xenomeliteforce: don't worry dude many people are updating that's why is so slow
[05:59] <wrabbit> yup.. same error Ng
[05:59] <TiMiDo> do it another day the update xenomeliteforce
[05:59] <looga> eyequeue: i did as you said, i got a long error message about unmet dependencies. PLease look at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3039. Please advise.
[05:59] <Ng> wrabbit: damn. sorry, I'm stumped without a machine to compare on and it's time for me to go home anyway. sorry and good luck!
[05:59] <adwait> hussam: update-rc-d -f ntpdate remove
[05:59] <eyequeue> xenomeliteforce:  a few of the packages, yes ... a normal install includes many more packages than just those on the cd though
[05:59] <wrabbit> Ng, thanks
[05:59] <xenomeliteforce> TiMiDo: Yeah, I alreydy thought that. But can I update with a install CD?
[05:59] <eyequeue> looga:  okay, give me a sec
[05:59] <TiMiDo> not sure
[06:00] <bobuse> As far as I know, mozilla is not used by eclipse ...
[06:00] <Gwildor> xenomeliteforce, im sure you could, add the CD to your sources.lst, id reccomend commenting out the rest of the repo's, then apt-get update, apt-get upgrade
[06:00] <nalioth> xenomeliteforce: yes you can
[06:00] <xenomeliteforce> eyequeue: Ok, but packages like ubuntu-base are in the CD?
[06:00] <xenomeliteforce> okanks @ all
[06:00] <nalioth> xenomeliteforce: put your cd into your drive and type "apt-cdrom" and follow the prompts
[06:00] <apokryphos> all packages required for the upgrade are on the CD
[06:00] <xenomeliteforce> I'll try it!
[06:00] <axeus> Hmm. I'm guessing the reason I can't find ZSNES is because they replaced it with snes9x ?
[06:00] <xenomeliteforce> nalioth: thanks! I'll try that
[06:00] <apokryphos> but a few of your packs from universe/multiverse will not be upgraded (since they're not on the CD)
[06:00] <nalioth> Gwildor: "apt-cdrom" is a command to add a cd to upgrade sources
[06:01] <auk> so, is it now safe to apt-get to breezy once i change the sources?
[06:01] <ivanox> is there a command for apt-get so I can see which version of the package I am downloading?
[06:01] <ivanox> a flag*
[06:01] <MikeStyle> hey guys, i have a problem. whenever i use firefox its trying to use totem instead of mplayer, and totem doesnt work
[06:01] <Gwildor> nalioth, :D....ty, ill try to remember......
[06:01] <hussam> adwait: what if I want to renable it once I change ISP next month?
[06:01] <auk> oh
[06:02] <eracerbit> heheheh i found a good mirror
[06:02] <eracerbit> why is my kicker broke dammit!!!
[06:02] <hussam> adwait: because I'm switching to pppoe next month.
[06:02] <eracerbit> ..
[06:02] <eracerbit> .
[06:02] <nalioth> ivanox: apt-cache show <PKGNAME>
[06:02] <Gwildor> nalioth, twould still be a good idea to comment out the rest of the repo's.......so they dont grab stuff from theree......err, try too
[06:02] <ivanox> thx nalioth
[06:02] <Gwildor> nalioth, unless apt-cdrom ONLY uses CD-rom
[06:02] <apokryphos> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[06:02] <eracerbit> bobuse: eclipse doesuse mozilla for internal browser
[06:02] <nalioth> Gwildor: if he has no network or leaves his sources set at hoary, not a problem
[06:03] <eyequeue> looga:  thanks for using pastebin, it is indeed a long list.  it's nothing to be scared of though, it all appears normal.  you'll be fetching all those libraries from the slow mirrors though, so may want to hold off on it for a couple of days.  apt-get -f install (as it mentioned) should cause it to proceed for you.  you *might* have to alternate between -f install and dist-upgrade a couple of times before it's over
[06:03] <Gwildor> nalioth, :D
[06:03] <adwait> hussam: update-rc-d -f ntpdate add
[06:03] <Kira> yay!
[06:03] <adwait> hussam: that was just a guess though :)
[06:03] <Kira> Breezy burned!
[06:03] <nalioth> Gwildor: apt-cdrom saved me from a very nasty breezy install a few weeks ago
[06:03] <adwait> hussam: lets cross the bridge when we come to it, shall we ;)
[06:03] <hussam> adwait: Ok thanks, I'll try it now.
[06:04] <looga> eyequeue: I'm not sure if i told you, but I already did "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade". Does this bit of info change things?
[06:04] <eyequeue> Kira:  congrats :) now to make copies for all your friends :)
[06:04] <hussam> rbr
[06:04] <hussam> brb
[06:04] <Kira> eyequeue: heh, I'll charge 1$ per copying. :P
[06:04] <Nicolinux> bye
[06:04] <looga> eyequeue: btw, i'm on a fast mirror. (i'm in asia using an asian server/mirror).
[06:04] <asparagui> are the servers still swamped?
[06:04] <eracerbit> hey, anyone know if there are backports or extras for breezy yet??
[06:04] <bobuse> eracerbit: Ho ! But the whole app is needed. a lib couldn't be enough ? because created two entry menu for mozilla if I want eclipse ... it's surprising ...
[06:05] <bobuse> eracerbit: But it's minor ;-)
[06:05] <don-o> can i use grub to boot off a breezo .iso file w/o burning it to cdrom?
[06:05] <adwait> m gonna go ppl.......bbye
[06:05] <eyequeue> looga:  no, i could guess that you did :)  sudo apt-get -f install (like it advised) is next, then maybe another sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, and *maybe* you'll need to alternate between the two commands (it will tell you if so, with a similar error message)
[06:05] <bobuse> eracerbit: Backport from where ?
[06:05] <MikeStyle> does anyone know how to get firefox to use mplayer instead of totem
[06:05] <bobuse> eracerbit: Breezy is the last version for the moment
[06:05] <apokryphos> MikeStyle: install mozilla-mplayer or whatever it is
[06:05] <eracerbit> bobuse: i dunno was thinking mirrormax or somewhere, whoever had the hoary backports
[06:06] <damo21> is there any difference between doing "apt-get dist-upgrade" from breezy preview and installing clean off iso?
[06:06] <eracerbit> yes was thinking more about 'extras' than backports
[06:06] <Knelix> Is there any key combination to switch workspaces/virtual desktops when the menu bar is hidden?
[06:06] <eyequeue> MikeStyle:  sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayerplugin
[06:06] <don-o> damo21: i dont know but im installing off iso just to be safe.
[06:06] <MikeStyle> apokryphos, i have it installed already, but after i upgraded to 5.10 firefox just started using totem. mozilla browser uses mplayer but i need firefox to use it as well
[06:06] <apokryphos> damo21: not really; sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade should get you there
[06:06] <looga> eyequeue: if "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop" is necessary, why was it removed from the wiki upgrade instructions. Also, why was it listed as "post-install" when you say that this command should be done between update and dist-upgrade)?
[06:06] <mrimbert> Knelix: Ctrl-Alt-Arrowkey
[06:06] <MikeStyle> i have it installed already
[06:07] <eracerbit> Knelix: crtl-alt-f#
[06:07] <frank_b> anyone here can tell me where i can get an aMule 2.0.3 package for Ubuntu?=
[06:07] <apokryphos> don-o: a stable -> stable dist-upgrade is fully supported by ubuntu
[06:07] <sam___> My ubuntu has gone a bit crazy now that I upgraded to breezy...
[06:07] <mrimbert> eracerbit: that will take him to virtual consoles
[06:07] <bloodnik> How do I install WMV playback support?
[06:07] <eracerbit> o yeah
[06:07] <bloodnik> I've got w32codecs.
[06:07] <apokryphos> frank_b: from the repos
[06:07] <eracerbit> no alt, just ctrl.. my bad
[06:07] <eracerbit> heheh
[06:07] <nalioth> bloodnik: you are afflicted with wmv3, which will not play no matter what you do
[06:07] <eyequeue> looga:  "necessary" or "advisable" are slightly different :)  those are called meta-packages, they just pull in standard aplications and dependencies.  some remove them in the course of normal operations, and during an upgrade it can be useful to put them back
[06:08] <Knelix> mrimbert: That's what I need. Thanks. Thanks for the try, eracerbit. :-)
[06:08] <frank_b> apokryphos, it's a different version in the repository...
[06:08] <mrimbert> Knelix: :)
[06:08] <bloodnik> damn
[06:08] <eracerbit> heheh np
[06:08] <apokryphos> !info amule
[06:08] <ubotu> amule: (aNOTHER eMule P2P Client), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 2.0.3-1ubuntu4 (breezy), Packaged size: 2459 kB, Installed size: 7452 kB
[06:08] <bloodnik> I guess I'll go upstairs just for this one video.
[06:08] <looga> eyequeue: so it's better to run "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop " than not to, correct?
[06:08] <bloodnik> thanks anyway :/
[06:08] <apokryphos> frank_b: 2.0.3 you want, no?
[06:08] <eyequeue> looga:  i'm presuing you want a full ubuntu desktop system there, obviously you can run ubuntu just as a web server or something :)
[06:08] <Kleggas> anyone had any luck with accelerated dri drivers on breezy?
[06:08] <frank_b> ah!.... breezy has 2.0.3 now?
[06:09] <frank_b> ah!.... breezy has 2.0.3?
[06:09] <apokryphos> yes, hoary has older version
[06:09] <eyequeue> looga:  better for your needs, presuming you want a whole desktop, yes.  (those with just a server don't want that of course)
[06:09] <looga> eyequeue: i'm using my ubuntu primarily as a desktop machine, not as a webserver.
[06:09] <eyequeue> looga:  a little clearer on what those meta-packages are for now?
[06:09] <looga> eyequeue: no.
[06:09] <looga> eyequeue: i'm just doing what is advisable.
[06:09] <frank_b> apokryphos, many thanks then. problem solved!:)
[06:10] <frank_b> apokryphos, thank you!
[06:10] <eyequeue> looga:  okay, think of them as hints for the package manager, saying "i want the normal desktop here please"
[06:10] <damo21> my hardware doesnt do justice to breezy now
[06:10] <apokryphos> frank_b: np :)
[06:10] <looga> eyequeue: gotcha. if that's the case, how come this command was deleted from the upgrade instructions?
[06:10] <eyequeue> looga:  frankly, some people want less than a normal desktop, some just want a webserver, as one example
[06:11] <eracerbit> looga: the package may be contained in another metapackage they reccomend.
[06:11] <apokryphos> son_2: please stop that
[06:11] <apokryphos> (and turn it off)
[06:11] <axeus> What is the "multiverse" ?
[06:11] <apokryphos> !components
[06:11] <ubotu> somebody said components was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[06:11] <looga> eracerbit: huh? I'm a newbie. what do you mean? You may use analogies if you like.
[06:11] <apokryphos> axeus: check that
[06:11] <axeus> I take it you have to manually add it to /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:11] <GreatBriton> could anyone help a newbie setting up his wifi card in breezy?
[06:11] <GreatBriton> please
[06:11] <axeus> Well I can't find the snes9x-common package, so I'm assuming I don't have it installed.
[06:11] <eyequeue> axeus:  unofficial packages, less "free" and with less "free" dependencies, than those in universe
[06:11] <Aquatopia> has it been successful for people to update directly from hoary to breezy? :)
[06:12] <axeus> !info multiverse
[06:12] <Licker> ok i keep gertting this error.. anyone have any idea?   E: gforge-db-postgresql: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[06:12] <Licker> E: php4-sqlite: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[06:12] <nalioth> axeus: everywhere you see "universe", space one space and add "multiverse"
[06:12] <apokryphos> axeus: it doesn't work like that; multiverse is a repository. As I said, check that link for the infos.
[06:12] <auk> aer the servers swamped with everyoen upgrading at once, or something?
[06:12] <looga> eyequeue: what differences would there be had a person not run sudo apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop ?
[06:12] <apokryphos> auk: /topic
[06:12] <eyequeue> Aquatopia:  that's the usual upgrade path, yes :)
[06:12] <GreatBriton> please?
[06:12] <axeus> naolith: Remove the "universe" ... though ?
[06:12] <Aquatopia> eyequeue, oh goodie! :D *changing sources.list* :D
[06:13] <ThomasM> looga: Possibly none.  It depended on what you had installed.
[06:13] <apokryphos> axeus: nope
[06:13] <mustard5> looga, probably no desktop when they upgrade
[06:13] <auk> apokryphos: thanks, i dont' seem to be very good at looking at the topic today :)
[06:13] <eyequeue> looga:  they would just upgrade what little they had on their system, possibly missing some of the "normal" desktop apps
[06:13] <hussam> sudo: update-rc-d: command not found what do I install to get this command?
[06:13] <athlon> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:13] <athlon>  postfix
[06:13] <athlon>  mailx
[06:13] <athlon>  mutt
[06:13] <athlon>  mysql-server-4.1
[06:13] <athlon>  postfix-mysql
[06:13] <athlon>  lsb-core
[06:13] <athlon>  lsb-graphics
[06:13] <ThomasM> looga: ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop are metapackages.  They just list all of the packages that make up the base system.  You might have already had those installed, for other reasons, but installing those two metapackages ensures everything's there.
[06:13] <Aquatopia> what about backports I've installed? Should I remove those sources or? :)
[06:13] <looga> eyequeue, ThomasM, mustard5:  so can i conclude that many ubuntu users don't use GUI, or at least use ubuntu as a webserver?
[06:13] <apokryphos> athlon: read the /topic ; please do not paste in here :)
[06:13] <ThomasM> hussam: 'update-rc.d' notice the fullstop
[06:14] <mustard5> looga, I use gnome
[06:14] <eyequeue> looga:  "many" yes, but "most" is probably a no.  "most" probably do use ubuntu for a desktop machine
[06:14] <GreatBriton> card chipset: rt2500
[06:14] <ThomasM> looga: Some. I don't use an X server at all, but I prefer closet boxes (that can be ssh'd into and left running things while my attention's away).
[06:14] <Miksu> i have a fresh install of ubuntu 5.10 preview. So to upgrade to final, is it okay to just add the repositories and do a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[06:14] <codo> Miksu, read the topic carefully :)
[06:15] <hussam> ThomasM: ok
[06:15] <looga> ThomasM, :i just don't understand why they removed that command "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop " from the instructions.
[06:15] <eyequeue> Miksu:  don't forget "sudo apt-get update" after you edit sources.list
[06:15] <apokryphos> looga: which instructions and where?
[06:15] <eracerbit> looga: there could be a package called gnome, with all of gnome including games, one called gnome-games, with just the games, and one called like solitaire.. each may include sub-packages also included inother metapackages... make sense
[06:15] <ThomasM> looga: They pulled it out?  I was thinking you were asking why it was there.
[06:15] <apokryphos> looga: no point in doing that command if you have those before the upgrade
[06:15] <looga> ThomasM: yes, they deleted in in the past hour or so.
[06:16] <eyequeue> apokryphos:  he apparently didn't, from the pastebin he posted earlier :/
[06:16] <ThomasM> looga: Most probably those it was useless.  And be careful of the term "they" when speaking of wikis.  Could be one rogue user that was mad because he doesn't run an X server.  :)
[06:16] <ThomasM> looga: It looks to me like they just moved the step to the beginning, which makes sense.
[06:16] <athlon> dist-upgrade failed because when executing the script it cant find "dzhandle". But googling told me dzhandle is used primarily in Zope. What gives ?
[06:17] <athlon>  - http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3041 -
[06:17] <looga> apokryphos. The instructions in the "Upgrade to breezy" wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes). The instruction which was removed was "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop "
[06:17] <hussam> ThomasM: thanks. that worked. but what if I want renable it later if I get a conenction that supprots ntp?
[06:17] <irvin> i already removed linux-386 from synaptic since i use -686, but linux-image*-386 is still being downloaded whenever i upgrade...
[06:17] <ThomasM> hussam: You still use update-rc.d.  Since it's a long-term goal, I'll just refer you to 'man update-rc.d'.
[06:17] <apokryphos> looga: it's right there, under "Pre-Upgrade"
[06:17] <cyphase> I'm back online!! Woohooo!!!!!
[06:17] <looga> ThomasM: but when I went to that webpage, that instruction was at the bottom of the page (Post-install). What shoud i do now?
[06:18] <looga> apokryphos: i see it now.
[06:18] <looga> apokryphos but when I went to that webpage, that instruction was at the bottom of the page (Post-install). What shoud i do now?
[06:18] <cyphase> :)
[06:18] <apokryphos> looga: the action is certainly not a post-upgrade (kind of defeats the point -- check the reason).
[06:18] <eyequeue> looga:  see #2 under post-upgrade, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade (no Notes)
[06:18] <apokryphos> looga: if you had ubuntu-desktop before, then you should be ok
[06:18] <ThomasM> looga: It was at the bottom yesterday, that I saw as well.  They probably just refined the instructions and decided it was only needed at the beginning.  If you had those installed and did a 'dist-upgrade', there'd be no point to doing it again when you're finished.
[06:19] <ThomasM> looga: The packages and their dependencies would already be installed, and it'd make for a cleaner dist-upgrade.
[06:19] <eyequeue> someone has put a confusing alternate page up, with one with Notes at the end
[06:19] <apokryphos> looga: weird; that's wrong.
[06:19] <zer> Does anyone know if there are Firefox 1.5 debs for Ubuntu?
[06:19] <eracerbit> zer: not yet i think
[06:20] <eyequeue> zer:  not presently, but expect them in dapper
[06:20] <ThomasM> eyequeue: That comment was there, on the wiki, clicked from the topic in this channel, yesterday.  She's right about it having been there--no confusing alternate source.
[06:20] <apokryphos> looga: if you can, please take the time to fix that :)
[06:20] <looga> ThomasM: Heres' what I did in order:sudo apt-get update, then "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade", then "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop" what shoudl i do now?
[06:20] <ThomasM> looga: Play.
[06:20] <looga> ThomasM: play?
[06:20] <looga> ThomasM: please. i'm sleepily serious.
[06:20] <eracerbit> heheh
[06:20] <eyequeue> ThomasM:  i don't see the need for BreezyUpgrade *and* BreezyUpgradeNotes, that's what i was calling confusing
[06:20] <ThomasM> looga: You've got Breezy installed, yes?  Go play around!
[06:20] <zer> eyequeue: sorry, my english is bad, what does "dapper" mean? o.O
[06:20] <apokryphos> looga: I've already told you :)
[06:20] <ThomasM> eyequeue: Ah
[06:21] <occy> w00p
[06:21] <eracerbit> looga:i think the answer you were looking for is 'wait;
[06:21] <looga> apokryphos: fix what? the wiki?
[06:21] <Centaur5> Is the kernel in the final release of Breezy compiled with gcc 4.0?
[06:21] <anthony> Does anybody know the URL for the multiverse repository for Breezy?
[06:21] <occy> hmm
[06:21] <apokryphos> looga: yes
[06:21] <eyequeue> zer:  "dapper drake" is the codename of what will be ubuntu 6.04, in six omnths.  work will begin on it soon
[06:21] <apokryphos> zer: http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=dapper
[06:21] <occy> apokryphos, I guess those main mirrors on the upgrade page are just slamm0r3d huh?
[06:21] <Aquatopia> are there any mirrors for security.ubuntu.com?
[06:21] <eracerbit> hahah, yeah, fix the wiki looga.. itll be like a rite of passage
[06:21] <occy> :)
[06:21] <zer> eyequeue: Ah thank you very much for this info :)
[06:21] <apokryphos> occy: yup; /topic
[06:21] <looga> eracerbit: i'm still too young for that.
[06:21] <eyequeue> anthony:  add " multiverse" to the current "deb" lines you use in sources.list
[06:22] <eracerbit> ahh, thats why u ask so many questions
[06:22] <dooglus> looga: there's an age limit on wiki-ing?
[06:22] <eyequeue> zer:  no problem :)
[06:22] <looga> time to restart.
[06:22] <occy> everything is up-to-date cause I got it from the ISO
[06:22] <eracerbit> as you get older you'll respond to these things more like "d,ok"
[06:22] <looga> dooglus: young in terms of linux
[06:22] <barnes_> I am having trouble getting my wireless card to work in Ubuntu.
[06:22] <occy> just trying to get my beep-media-player installed :)
[06:22] <occy> hehe
[06:22] <dooglus> looga: oh, i see.
[06:22] <occy> anyhoo
[06:22] <occy> lunch
[06:22] <occy> bbl
[06:22] <anthony> eyequeue: All the "deb" lines right? Not the "deb-src" lines?
[06:22] <barnes_> I am having trouble getting my wireless card to work in Ubuntu.
[06:23] <barnes_> If anyone can help me.
[06:23] <eyequeue> anthony:  you can add it there too if you like, that's for building things from source
[06:23] <thirso> Can anyone help me to get my ethernet card to work? Can't install the driver
[06:23] <ThomasM> eyequeue: You're right about the BreezyUpgrade vs. BreezyUpgradeNotes.  Wouldn't it be better to have the /topic in here link to BreezyUpgrade?
[06:23] <nalioth> anthony: deb-src lines won't hurt anything
[06:23] <eracerbit> hmm, looga was from japan
[06:23] <eyequeue> anthony:  see what the bot has to say...
[06:23] <Cabra> How to I resume a broken connection when upgrading?
[06:23] <eyequeue> ubotu:  tell anthony about repositories
[06:23] <nalioth> Cabra: it will pick up where it left off
[06:23] <barnes_> Does Ubuntu have wireless card modules?
[06:24] <apokryphos> ThomasM: no, because it's wrong; I'll fix it in a bit as soon as I have time. If you can, please do :)
[06:24] <eracerbit> Cabra, try apt-get -f update
[06:24] <Cabra> nalioth: eracerbit: will do, thanks
[06:24] <eyequeue> ThomasM:  it did at one point, now it hides behind a tinyurl (which i never go to, on policy) so i'm not sure what it points to
[06:24] <eyequeue> tinyurl is evilness, imo :)  never surf with your eyes closed :)
[06:25] <ThomasM> eyequeue: It can be used for that, yes, but it's handy when it's needed.
[06:25] <apokryphos> eyequeue: and you don't trust what we put into the /topic, then?
[06:26] <eyequeue> ThomasM:  i just consider it insecure, "trust me" is not something i recommend as safe computing :) (or court nominations, or or or, heh)
[06:26] <apokryphos> that's a really bad/problematic Philosophy, but better to discuss it in -offtopic if you like
[06:26] <anthony> eyequeue: Thanks.
[06:27] <eyequeue> apokryphos:  basically, you are correct in that i do not (nothing personal please)  it's a policy that everything should be open for inspeaction, or untrusted, it's what i teach, so i feel i have to be willing to live it as well
[06:27] <apokryphos> eyequeue: ok; join #ubuntu-offtopic if you want to continue the discussion :)
[06:28] <eyequeue> apokryphos:  again, please don't see it as personal, i'm sure the ops in here i know are GoodGuys :)
[06:28] <apokryphos> no offense taken, of course
[06:28] <eyequeue> :)
[06:28] <jazzcrazed> hi all
[06:29] <eyequeue> and all was well with the world, well, minus the bandwidth of the mirrors, heehee
[06:29] <eracerbit> cabra, ignore what i said, it was gibberish
[06:30] <thomerz> hi, i have problems with installing breezy on my hp nx8220, it says it cannot start the xserver
[06:30] <defendguin> does 5.10 have gnome power management?
[06:30] <nalioth> ubotu: tell thomerz about fixres
[06:30] <defendguin> gnome-power.sf.net
[06:31] <petterah> hi all, is it possible to connect my axim 51v to ubuntu linux and sync against evolution or something? have anyone tried?
[06:31] <thomerz> nalioth, thx
[06:31] <Miksu> there some unauthenticated packages in synaptic..what's up?
[06:32] <eyequeue> defendguin:  Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe gnome-power-manager 0.1.2-2ubuntu2
[06:32] <dle> Hi.  Does anyone know an alternate place to d/l the breezy torrent?
[06:32] <eyequeue> defendguin:  one of those packages that won't upgrade here since the mirrors are so loaded down, but the old version is still on the box
[06:33] <NoUse> dle alternate to which site?
[06:33] <NoWhereMan> hi all. I was considering pass from my madnriva 2005le to (k)ubuntu. can anybody tell me if I can just overwrite the one with the oher?
[06:33] <FliesLikeALap> when i run apt-get update, i get connection timeouts to us.archive.ubuntu.com
[06:33] <FliesLikeALap> any idea why?
[06:33] <defendguin> eyequeue, if its in universe its not part of the official install?
[06:33] <eyequeue> dle:  the /download page should have a list of mirrors.  all of them should have the tottents
[06:33] <nalioth> FliesLikeALap: there's a million people ugrading right now?
[06:33] <eyequeue> defendguin:  correct
[06:33] <mbirkis> FliesLikeALap: not sure... could be heavy traffic
[06:33] <FliesLikeALap> k thanks
[06:33] <FliesLikeALap> i was thinking that
[06:33] <defendguin> eyequeue, will universe will be good enough
[06:34] <defendguin> s/will/well
[06:34] <eyequeue> defendguin:  yes, universe works well for me (other than today) and i'd guess for most of us in here too
[06:34] <defendguin> eyequeue, thanks
[06:35] <NoWhereMan> can a mandriva be overwritten with an ubuntu ?
[06:35] <Nova-A001> If you mean replace, yes
[06:35] <apokryphos> NoWhereMan: yes; ubuntu can format and install on the respective partition
[06:35] <eyequeue> NoWhereMan:  can a hard drive be overwritten with an ubuntu? :)  yes
[06:35] <piotr> ubuntu breezy servers are overloaded
[06:36] <NoWhereMan> do i have to format before, then?
[06:36] <eyequeue> NoWhereMan:  the install disk can do that for you
[06:36] <lee__> piotr, thats what i came here to ask hehe
[06:36] <eracerbit> NoWhereMan: nope, the ubuntu cd has formatting tool on it
[06:36] <dle> eyequeue: but the webserver seems to be tied-up -- can't connect to it.
[06:36] <NoWhereMan> can I do the whole using the live cd?
[06:36] <eyequeue> piotr, lee: yes, loads are high, wait a couple of days if you like
[06:36] <eracerbit> NoWhereMan: i'd use the install cd
[06:36] <piotr> i don't like
[06:37] <eracerbit> not the live
[06:37] <warpforge> are there other repository mirrors?
[06:37] <lee__> its going, but its damn slow! i guess everyone must be getting breezy
[06:37] <dle> nm, managed to connect to se.
[06:37] <piotr> i want useful breezy now LOL
[06:37] <eyequeue> dle:  all of the mirrors are busy?  try a few, the torrent file is small
[06:37] <apokryphos> !mirror
[06:37] <ubotu> rumour has it, mirror is repository mirrors can be found through http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[06:37] <Licker> can someone help me/
[06:37] <eracerbit> ubotu: SHHHH!
[06:37] <ubotu> eracerbit: Wish i knew
[06:38] <eracerbit> heheh
[06:38] <dle> try se.releases.ubuntu.com/5.10/  -- I'm in.
[06:38] <dooglus> would it have been a good idea to get the previous nightly, and then use bittorrent to update it?
[06:38] <bretzel> lee_: I am even not able to download anything with synaptic: Installed brand new ATI TV POWER PRO and need MYTH_TV  stuff : no luck --
[06:38] <Licker> E: gforge-db-postgresql: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[06:38] <Licker> E: php4-sqlite: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1  <--anyone know what this means?
[06:38] <dooglus> i mean, would that be quicker, 'cos bittorrent would only have to get the changes?  or doesn't it work like that.
[06:38] <NoWhereMan> ok, thanx guys :)
[06:39] <Nova-A001> nope, bittorrent is a download tool
[06:39] <dooglus> Licker: it means that the script which runs after installing the package exited with an exit status of 1, which is an error status.  non-error is 0.
[06:39] <nalioth> dooglus: either install the previous nightly and upgrade it, or do it the way you mentioned. either way, it's gonna be slow goin today
[06:39] <Nova-A001> It downloads the iso by p2p
[06:39] <Licker> yea but what does this mean? how would i fix it?
[06:39] <dooglus> nalioth: I think bittorrent is very quick at 'fixing' downloads if they aren't much different from what you've got
[06:39] <dooglus> nalioth: it just downloads the bits that are 'wrong'
[06:39] <lee__> i think im gonna leave it for tommorow or something, thanks for the answers guys
[06:40] <bretzel> archive.ubuntu.com is overloaded! I need software but I cannot download anything -- just not able to start connection ---
[06:40] <nalioth> dooglus: but you have to get the previous daily, first (and today the ubuntuverse servers are hammered)
[06:40] <bretzel> In fact this is funny and good news -- Ubuntu is getting greatly popular! :-)
[06:40] <dooglus> nalioth: yes, but yesterday they weren't hammered...  if I had thought it through, I could have got yesterday's daily yesterday and saved the long slow download today.
[06:41] <MPC> any particular reason that the Ubuntu servers are overloaded, today? ... new release or some such?
[06:41] <dooglus> MPC: yes.  breezy is out today.
[06:41] <Strike> apokryphos: This is IRC, people don't care to help themselves.
[06:41] <apokryphos> MPC: topic
[06:41] <bretzel> MPC: doh!
[06:41] <eyequeue> bretzel:  notmally, id suggest you use ca.archive.ubuntu.com, but that's loaded down too, but do try another mirror (Or wait a day or three)
[06:41] <nalioth> dooglus: the torrents are moving very quickly
[06:41] <eracerbit> ubotu, what did i ask, i forgot
[06:41] <ubotu> eracerbit: Are you smoking crack?
[06:41] <Licker> dooglus: whats that mean though is it fixable?
[06:41] <dooglus> nalioth: not from where I'm sitting they're not: speed:     15.8 KB/s down -   3.0 KB/s up
[06:42] <budluva> lol wow apt repo's are amazingly sloooooowwww :P guess thats what i get for updating on release day :P
[06:42] <oris_wolfbane> this machince is running breezy.. can i let another machine on my network use it as a package repostiary
[06:42] <apokryphos> dooglus: how long have you been waiting? Sometimes it takes time to warm up
[06:42] <dooglus> apokryphos: an hour or so
[06:42] <eracerbit> ubotu: nope fresh out.. seriously tho i dont remember asking anything
[06:42] <ubotu> eracerbit: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[06:42] <apokryphos> ouch
[06:42] <apokryphos> dooglus: i386 cd?
[06:42] <dooglus> apokryphos: but I can't open any ports on the router - so I'm relying on people who can.
[06:42] <dooglus> apokryphos: yes.
[06:42] <eyequeue> oris_wolfbane:  "apt-move" is one package that is designed for that, there are a few others as well which i can't recall
[06:42] <bretzel> eyequeu: Agree no choice but to wait .... I want my TV Wonder pro working ... btw:just did "sudo modprobe bttv" and all needed modules just loaded!!!! aaahhH! Good friend Ubuntu!
[06:42] <apokryphos> dooglus: the ports is probably the problem I'd say, then
[06:43] <eracerbit> ubotu, is what larger than a breadbox? you lost me man
[06:43] <ubotu> eracerbit: Are you smoking crack?
[06:43] <eracerbit> ohhh its a bot
[06:43] <dooglus> heh
[06:43] <frank_b> sorry to bother you... but how does one " Change your repositories to look for Breezy " ... where is that option in Synaptic?
[06:43] <nalioth> ubotu: tell frank_b about repos
[06:43] <eyequeue> oris_wolfbane:  alternatively i guess you could nfs-mount /var/cache/apt/archives from the "full" box
[06:44] <apokryphos> frank_b: /topic
[06:44] <oris_wolfbane> eyequeue, thanks
[06:44] <eracerbit> ubotu: die
[06:44] <ubotu> eracerbit: Wish i knew
[06:44] <eyequeue> frank_b:  see https.wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[06:44] <MPC> do the updates from pre-release "breezy" bring one up to the released version? ... or is it necessary to fetch the final released "breezy" version?
[06:45] <eyequeue> oris_wolfbane:  no prob, i hope it helps (any little help with the server load today is good, thanks for trying)
[06:45] <nalioth> MPC: apt-get will update your machine painlessly
[06:45] <frank_b> eyequeue, yes, that's what I'm seeing... I know how tyo edit the etc/apt/souces.list file... but I don't know how to " Change your repositories to look for Breezy "...
[06:45] <bretzel> MPC: It will get to the latest-current pkg anyway just do it :-)
[06:45] <daan> anyone know where i can find guides or so to install azureus
[06:46] <eyequeue> MPC:  your usual "update/upgrade" sequence will suffice, no need for d/l the iso if you don't need it as a cd to use for friends :)
[06:46] <war-totem> can anyone tell me what this means: Unpacking replacement openoffice.org-debian-files ...
[06:46] <war-totem> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:46] <war-totem>  /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_1.0.7-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb
[06:46] <war-totem> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:46] <apokryphos> daan: get it from their site; it works fine.
[06:46] <wezzer> war-totem: I had same problem
[06:46] <eyequeue> frank_b:  change all occurances of "hoary" to "breezy" in that file
[06:46] <apokryphos> war-totem: read the topic; please do not paste in here :)
[06:46] <war-totem> apokryphos, oops sorry
[06:47] <wezzer> war-totem: it wasn't easy to solve it. I had to try command "sudo apt-get install -f"
[06:47] <MPC> I'm getting leery of updates.  the updates hosed my dual boot listing (which I fixed, manually) and lost my LCD 1200x800 resolution for my notebook
[06:47] <war-totem> wezzer, what does it mean though?
[06:47] <wezzer> war-totem: and then the package, which causes this, had to be removed
[06:47] <TPC> if I ordered hoary cd:s in shipit it will remember it and ship breezy cd:s too, right?
[06:47] <wezzer> war-totem: I don't know...
[06:47] <eyequeue> war-totem, wezzer: don't flood.  what it means is that up above there is a more significant error message (re-run the command and look) that tells you *why* that pacakge woudn't install.  some conflict, some overwrite issue, lack of drive space, something
[06:47] <war-totem> wezzer, have you been able to upgrade successfully
[06:48] <carsten> moin
[06:48] <Licker> i try to unistall something and it says:    E: mysql-server-4.1: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 6
[06:48] <eracerbit> rtfem
[06:48] <carsten> Is anyone able to install valgrind-callgrind on breezy? I am not...
[06:48] <war-totem> eyequeue, ok thanks
[06:48] <jxpx> what programa can i download to download .torrent ?
[06:48] <eyequeue> "E: " errors are typically a "Summary" line, telling you there is an error message with more informative content up above somewhere
[06:49] <apokryphos> jxpx: azureus, ktorrent
[06:49] <frank_b> eyequeue, ok...
[06:49] <jxpx> apokryphos ok thanks
[06:49] <rc55> Wow - totally impressed with the new startup and installer. :D
[06:49] <zapata> anyone knows how to install ati drivers for radeon 9200 card?
[06:50] <apokryphos> !ati
[06:50] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10&highlight=fglrx
[06:50] <zapata> ive tried all faqs, but when ive installed it i only get a black screen, what am i doing wrong?
[06:50] <eracerbit> those aqti things work? never had any luck with dri myself
[06:50] <eracerbit> *ati
[06:51] <Trackilizer> Can someone please send me a good sources.list file for Breezy, the official one is rather shitty and i don't know where to find them on the web.
[06:51] <mustard5> zapata, bit hard to tell what you are doing wrong without seeing you do it
[06:51] <frank_b> eyequeue, got it... the web page didn't explain very well... it was descibing the same operation but in synaptic... I just had never used synaptic, so I couldn't the find the option they talked about...
[06:51] <apokryphos> aha, dinner 8)
[06:51] <frank_b> eyequeue, problem solved
[06:51] <zukero> hi
[06:51] <zapata> ill pay the ticket for you to get here
[06:51] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Trackilizer about sources
[06:51] <zukero> anyone can help me use (http(s)) proxy with cvs under breezy ?
[06:52] <eyequeue> frank_b:  gotcha (btw, use apt-get if that's more comfortable for you, many ways to accomplish the same goal in ubuntu, heh)
[06:52] <zapata> man this sucks then, any other distro working better with ati?
[06:52] <Trackilizer> I saw that one already, but it doesn't seem to have "XFCE" or any of the oter stuff i want, but I'll try it again.
[06:52] <frank_b> eyequeue, yes, I will. thank for the tip. :)
[06:52] <crimsun> Trackilizer: xubuntu-desktop is in universe
[06:52] <shastry> whats the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu ? can the repos be mixed with one another ?
[06:52] <crimsun> shastry: same repos
[06:53] <shastry> crimsun: oh
[06:53] <Aven> hi, how do I delete a folder using sudo ?
[06:53] <Skid> kubuntu just had a KDE DE
[06:53] <shastry> then whats the difference ?
[06:53] <mustard5> shastry ubuntu runs gnome, kubuntu runs KDE
[06:53] <shastry> ooh
[06:53] <mbirkis> shastry: ubuntu ships with gnome, and kubuntu shups with KDE
[06:53] <eracerbit> !kubuntu
[06:53] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE, not a fork ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/
[06:53] <eyequeue> shastry:  repos are the same, yes.  ubuntu==gnome, kubuntu==kde, xubuntu==xfce
[06:53] <shastry> so if i apt-get kde , will i endup with the same stuff as in kubuntu ??
[06:53] <zeus1_> GUYS Im going to install Breezy 5.10 over Hoary install on the slave drive..is there ANY LAST THING I should know?? I backed up my school projects stuff just in case
[06:53] <reiki_work> I'm at work so I can't check this out from here, but can anyone tell me *about* how long it takes to upgrade Hoary to Breezy if the Hoary install was fully up to date as of yesterday? I have a cable internet conection. I know this is variable. Just trying to get a feel for how big of an upgrade it's gonna be.
[06:53] <Aven> hi, how do I delete a folder using sudo ?
[06:53] <eazel7> hi ppl
[06:53] <frank_b> bye all
[06:53] <spiderworm> um how big is the breezy i386 install iso supposed to be?
[06:53] <eazel7> I need to have write support for ntfs
[06:54] <Skid> reiki_work: I'm sitting on 10Mb here, and only downloading at 60Kb/s
[06:54] <mbirkis> Aven: sudo rm -Rf foldername
[06:54] <Gwildor> reiki_work, right now.....would take a while...servers are bogged
[06:54] <eazel7> where can I find a guide for this in ubuntu?
[06:54] <shastry> Aven: sudo rm -r /path/to/folder
[06:54] <mustard5> zeus1_,  backing up is the only advice I can give, other than following the instructions
[06:54] <nalioth> eazel7: then use windows
[06:54] <larsrohdin> spiderworm, I think around 617 mb
[06:54] <Skid> reiki_work: and it's estimated at 3hrs.. so guess the mirrors are a bit busy ;)
[06:54] <grover> reiki_work: 600MB for me
[06:54] <eyequeue> zeus1_:  one thing to know, the mirrors are bogged down, expect delays (or wait a couple days)  see also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[06:54] <fr33mind> How to report a problem?
[06:54] <spiderworm> larsrohdin: ok good, ty
[06:54] <Aven> ah, thanks
[06:54] <fbn> are the ubuntu servers a bit overloaded atm? apt update takes a long time ...
[06:54] <eazel7> nalioth, I have windows
[06:54] <Gwildor> fbn, yes
[06:54] <zeus1_> eyequeue - I burned it to a cd already and its ready to go
[06:54] <grover> hehe 2 days ago servers were very fast
[06:54] <reiki_work> thanks... I can hold off till tomorrow morning then.
[06:54] <spiderworm> doesnt help that it got slashdotted at 6 am this morning
[06:54] <eyequeue> fbn:  breezy released, everything is at a crawl for a bit
[06:54] <eazel7> nalioth, but it's not the problem, I need to have ntfs write support
[06:54] <nalioth> eazel7: write support is almost nonexistent in linux
[06:54] <spiderworm> arizona time anyways
[06:55] <zeus1_> Ok im going to overwrite Hoary wish me luck guys
[06:55] <fbn> are there mirrors available?
[06:55] <larsrohdin> are there any good repositories out there? Mine doesn't even have mplayer etc....
[06:55] <spiderworm> luck
[06:55] <Skid> i should of applied to mirror, at least it'd of been via a lan then heh
[06:55] <fr33mind> I have a dialog box explaining what to send to report a bug... but I don't know how to report a bug?
[06:55] <eyequeue> ubotu:  tell larsrohdin about repos
[06:55] <zukero> I'm trying to install E17 on breezy, and i can't find any .deb file for it, nor retrieve cvs because of proxies
[06:55] <eazel7> nalioth, I used to have this in gentoo and worked really fine, I need to compile a custom kernel, but I don't know how to make a initial ramdisk
[06:55] <larsrohdin> eyequeue, thanks
[06:55] <titaniumone> is security.ubuntu.com down? trying to install php4-dev package and it's stalling at connecting
[06:56] <rodietze> Hi, I'm downloading Ubuntu 5.10 and I allready have Ubuntu 5.04... and Kubuntu 5.04, now for use ubuntu 5.10 plus KDE stuff, do I need to download Kubuntu 5.10 too? or can I use 5.04?
[06:56] <pitti> titaniumone: it's just the slashdot DDoS that slows down the archive
[06:56] <Trackilizer> IS there anything like ubuntuguide.org for breezy?
[06:56] <MDM232343> hi all, are the breezy and 5.10 the same and latest in releases.ubuntu.com/ ?
[06:56] <Skid> yup
[06:56] <fbn> MDM232343, yes
[06:56] <pitti> MDM232343: yes
[06:56] <mustard5> Trackilizer, yes
[06:56] <nalioth> eazel7: ntfs write support is very unsupported in ubuntu. you may break your box, but google for "captive ntfs"
[06:56] <MDM232343> ok thanks :)
[06:56] <Trackilizer> Where?
[06:56] <Trackilizer> Or can i just use the same one?
[06:56] <Skid> ubotu: tell Trackilizer about ubuntuguide
[06:56] <mustard5> in the help menu of Breezy and online somewhere
[06:57] <eyequeue> rodietze:  install ubuntu, then sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:57] <Trackilizer> !faq
[06:57] <ubotu> from memory, faq is The Ubuntu FAQ Guide: select System -> Help (in Breezy), or http://doc.ubuntu.com/gnome/faqi386/C/
[06:57] <MDM232343> so on the mirrors it says last modified 13th October so these are all in sync?
[06:57] <Trackilizer> I really need to find a new "sources.list" file.
[06:57] <eyequeue> rodietze:  then follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[06:58] <Trackilizer> All the ones i found seem to be rather shitty.
[06:58] <eazel7> if I do mkinitrd -o initrd 2.6.12, where do I find the initrd?
[06:58] <eyequeue> rodietze:  if you can wait a few days until the mirrors calm down
[06:58] <mustard5> ubotu sent you the info on sources Trackilizer
[06:58] <neeravi> Hello, could someone tell me how to play rmvb movies in ubuntu ?
[06:58] <ubotu> mustard5: Are you smoking crack?
[06:58] <mustard5> the sources.lists are in the pastebin
[06:58] <nalioth> Trackilizer: do you get private messages at all?
[06:58] <Trackilizer> Yes!
[06:58] <Trackilizer> I'll check that out.
[06:58] <Trackilizer> Thanks a ton.
[06:58] <Trackilizer> See ya.
[06:59] <rodietze> eyeqeyequeue heh ok
[06:59] <rodietze> oops
[06:59] <rodietze> eyequeue
[06:59] <mustard5> neeravi, rmvb?
[06:59] <eyequeue> heh
[06:59] <rodietze> thanks guys
[07:00] <mustard5> neeravi, what about converting them to mpg or avi?
[07:00] <fbn> are there mirrors for sources.list available? especially for security updates? (http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu)
[07:00] <elvirolo> hi all
[07:00] <elvirolo>  if i want to log in with user icecast2, I do "su - icecast2" right ?
[07:00] <jeff303> anyone run into problems with the video player locking up when trying to play a DVD?
[07:00] <sdepoote> I have a problem with the nvidia-driver in Breezy.. anyone here who can help me?
[07:00] <mustard5> sdepoote, possibly ask away
[07:00] <NoUse> !anyone
[07:01] <ubotu> I heard anyone is 90% of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and YOU decide? <hint>
[07:01] <nalioth> elvirolo: use sudo
[07:01] <dougsko> whats up guys
[07:01] <Seveas> elvirolo, no
[07:01] <jrattner1> where are the i386 DVD install isos
[07:01] <Seveas> you do sudo su icecast -
[07:02] <elvirolo> Seveas: ah
[07:02] <mustard5> whats the native linux video format?
[07:02] <mahangu> mustard5, i doubt there i sone
[07:02] <Seveas> mustard5, there is no such thing as a 'native video format'
[07:02] <eyequeue> mirror problem :(  this is empty! http://mirror.cs.umn.edu/ubuntu-dvd/   where are the breezy dvds kept now?
[07:02] <mahangu> should an OS have a NATIVE format?
[07:02] <war-totem> anyone else timing out when trying to reach security.ubuntu?
[07:02] <jrattner1> where are the i386 DVD install isos
[07:02] <mustard5> ok..'popular' video format?
[07:02] <eyequeue> jrattner1:  heh
[07:02] <mahangu> Seveas, after i d/l breezy
[07:02] <mahangu> will it boot in to the new kernel for me?
[07:02] <pitti> YES, THE MIRRORS ARE SLOW
[07:03] <Seveas> mahangu, only if you install it ;)
[07:03] <eyequeue> jrattner1:  the above url is where the web page says to find them, but it's empty :(
[07:03] <neeravi> mustard5 ==> yes rmvb. real player movie
[07:03] <Seveas> pitti, WE KNOW :)
[07:03] <mustard5> neeravi, ah ok
[07:03] <pitti> Seveas: then why people keep asking?
[07:03] <shinu> if i burn 4gb directly from my hd to cd, i dont need another 4gb for any temp files right?
[07:03] <neeravi> mustard5[07:03] <mahangu> Seveas, i mean synaptic
[07:03] <eracerbit> the sky
[07:03] <Major_Stitch> sorry to bother but can somebody tell me does Ubuntu support Ericsson hmd220 adsl modem?
[07:03] <neeravi> must5[07:03] <Seveas> pitti, because some people don't think :)
[07:03] <sdepoote> I tried to install nvidia with the binaries in breezy, tried it with the installer from nvidia.com.. but it didn't work.. everytime i try to start x it hangs... black screen, no reaction... any ideas?
[07:03] <mustard5> neeravi, have you tried installing realplayer according to the wiki guide?
[07:04] <jrattner1> eyequeue, in that case is there only one installl cd for i386?
[07:04] <eyequeue> someone know an actual source for breezy dvd images?
[07:04] <pitti> Seveas: maybe you can add it to the topic?
[07:04] <neeravi> mustart==>yes done. icon gets displayed. however which i click it nothing happens
[07:04] <Seveas> pitti, hehe
[07:04] <Seveas> you just made my point :)
[07:04] <eyequeue> jrattner1:  there are cd images available from all the rest of the mirrors, i just can't localte the dvd images
[07:04] <Seveas> look at the topic
[07:04] <neeravi> must5==> launched from cmd line. process starts , but hangs
[07:04] <mustard5> neeravi, hmmm...well I havent' bothered trying to install realplayer yet, so I'm at a loss
[07:05] <neeravi> must5[07:05] <Seveas> I'll put it up front
[07:05] <Major_Stitch> sorry to bother but can somebody tell me does Ubuntu support Ericsson hmd220 adsl modem?
[07:05] <shinu> im gonna upgrade later then x)
[07:05] <ompaul> Seveas, fast mirror, http://ie.releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-releases/5.10/
[07:06] <dougsko> hey guys, anyone here install gcc? it's complaining about not having any .h files when i go to compile, whats the deal with that?
[07:06] <thirso> can anyone help me out with this http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2979/screenshot29do.png ?
[07:06] <ubuntu> hey
[07:06] <Major_Stitch> ...because I have an USB modem and (when I bought it i didn't know) and now would like to know if Ericsson hmd220 is supported
[07:06] <ggeller> Is us.archive.ubuntu.com down?
[07:06] <Seveas> dougsko -> build-essential
[07:06] <warpforge> doug: install build-essential
[07:06] <Seveas> ggeller, /topic
[07:06] <MFen> Does anyone know where I can find a downloadable CD label for Breezy?
[07:07] <eyequeue> ggeller:  slow, not down, see /topic
[07:07] <MFen> oh nm, google is my friend.  .. http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=193
[07:07] <dougsko> Seveas: is that a package, or a gcc command?
[07:07] <dougsko> ok cool
[07:07] <ggeller> Thanks
[07:07] <dougsko> thanks
[07:08] <sdepoote> I tried to install nvidia with the binaries in breezy, tried it with the installer from nvidia.com.. but it didn't work.. everytime i try to start x it hangs... black screen, no reaction... any ideas?
[07:08] <MFen> actually, followup question: is there an SVG version of this label anywhere?
[07:08] <concept10> Seveas, having fun today?
[07:08] <jxpx> anyone can help me , i cant edit my sources.list , i dont know why , its blocked, i can delete something and add something , its strange!
[07:09] <elvirolo> oh god i'm lost
[07:09] <elvirolo> how do i add user icecast2 to group icecast ?
[07:09] <mustard5> sdepoote, did you follow any ubuntu guides or just the guide from the nvidia site?
[07:09] <eyequeue> if anyone knows of a dvd image for breezy, please consider /msg'ing me  (the mirror listed on the website is empty)
[07:10] <eyequeue> elvirolo:  sudo adduser icecast2 icecast
[07:10] <mustard5> jxpx, how are you trying to edit it?
[07:10] <eyequeue> elvirolo:  sudo adduser username groupname
[07:10] <reiki_work> jxpx , use: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:10] <jxpx> tes its ok
[07:10] <rodietze> eyequeue sorry, but I don't mean to upgrade my hoary to breezy but Will install a brand new breezy in my hdd, so after done, can I do it: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop? but I just have kubuntu 5.04 not 5.10... any problems?
[07:10] <sdepoote> mustard5, yep, tried them both.. (tried some other things too).. but nothing worked... log looks rather fine, no errors and stuff
[07:10] <dougsko> are the repositories down? i cant stat any sources
[07:10] <elvirolo> eyequeue: THANK YOU
[07:10] <elvirolo> oops
[07:10] <elvirolo> sorry
[07:10] <bpf> anyone have vmware working on breezy yet?
[07:11] <Coke> Whats up everyone
[07:11] <sdepoote> mustard5, btw, it was working fine in warty and hoary...
[07:11] <mustard5> sdepoote, k
[07:11] <Coke> whoa that sounds nasty
[07:11] <elvirolo> ahhh it doesn't work
[07:11] <eyequeue> rodietze:  installing from the 5.04 cd will get you hoary.  you can upgrade from that, or you can install fresh from a breezy (5.10) cd is you have one.  kubuntu-desktop is what gets you kde
[07:11] <elvirolo> does anyone know about icecast ?
[07:11] <mustard5> sdepoote, I'm not sure about what the problem is.  Without walking through it step by step.
[07:12] <eyequeue> if you have one
[07:12] <mustard5> sdepoote, how about you pick a guide and work your way through it again
[07:12] <rodietze> eyequeue yeah? But dcan't I have breezy like this: ubuntu 5.10 and kubuntu 5.04?
[07:12] <mustard5> sdepoote, and report here and the process
[07:13] <jadacyrus> I need help figuring out the BusID for one of my video cards
[07:13] <Coke> Im still using wartyhog, should i switch to breezy or stay?
[07:13] <oris_wolfbane> Coke, stay, the servers are overloaded
[07:13] <Coke> okay
[07:13] <eyequeue> rodietze:  5.04 means hoary (which still works heh) and 5.10 means breezy
[07:13] <fbn> can somebody confirm that help for disks-manager in Gnome is not available on Breezy resulting in an error if clicking on help?
[07:13] <mustard5> Coke, yeah...can't access Breezy repos atm
[07:13] <jadacyrus> can someone help me figure out the BusID for a video card
[07:14] <sdepoote> mustard5, this is what I first did (after a clean install of Breezy this morning):
[07:14] <Coke> i gotcha
[07:14] <fbn> jadacyrus: try lspci -vv
[07:14] <mustard5> sdepoote, paste in #flood
[07:14] <Trackilizer> !sources
[07:14] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, sources is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[07:14] <something_else> ok, does hal not work?
[07:14] <something_else> in breezy that is
[07:14] <jadacyrus> 0000:02:03.0 VGA compatible controller: would it be 'PCI:2:3:0' then?
[07:14] <something_else> this is a clean install
[07:15] <something_else> yet it seems cd roms work
[07:15] <something_else> but not usb
[07:16] <bonee> anyone running 5.10
[07:16] <Ravarin> bonee: Yep
[07:16] <fbn> bonee: sure :)
[07:16] <bonee> how is it
[07:16] <sdepoote> mustard5, installed nvidia-glx, ran nvidia-glx-config enable and restarted X... this gave me the black screen and no reaction
[07:16] <jadacyrus> i cant figure out the BusID
[07:16] <Ravarin> bonee: Seems fine. :)  No problems here.
[07:16] <lllmanulll> bonee, fine :)
[07:17] <bonee> just checkin
[07:17] <mustard5> hmmmm..
[07:17] <mustard5> sdepoote, and now you are trying to install the commercial drivers?
[07:18] <jadacyrus> is lspci says 0000:02:03.0 what would the BusID be for xorg.conf
[07:19] <ScatterBrain> Is there a way I can add the "Start Terminal" back to the pop-up menu when I right-click on the desktop?
[07:19] <mustard5> ScatterBrain, yeah i want that again too
[07:19] <sm> hey all.. anyone know how to install the missing libforms-java package that freemind needs ?
[07:19] <jadacyrus> if lspci says 0000:02:03.0 what would the BusID be for xorg.conf
[07:19] <Sonderblade> i'm updating to breezy and i get lots of warnings from perl saying it cannot set my locale?
[07:19] <Coke> ls -lai
[07:19] <mustard5> I've put in a keyboard shortcut now for terminal to compensate
[07:20] <Zvjer> hi
[07:20] <ubuntu> hi
[07:20] <warpforge> sonder: fix your package conflict for firefox
[07:20] <sdepoote> mustard5, I've just tried those.. downloaded NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7667-pkg1.run (latest 7676 gave mismatch), executed it succesfully, changed xorg.conf according to the nvidia readme.. this gave the same result as before
[07:20] <mustard5> removed nvidia-glx beforehand?
[07:20] <Sonderblade> warpforge: what?
[07:20] <Zvjer> I'll be short: anyone tryed new skype.deb on breezy? it requires newer qt lib :(
[07:20] <sdepoote> mustard5, yes
[07:20] <warpforge> sonder: see the new pre-upgrade suggestion I added to the upgrade guide
[07:20] <Coke> rm everything
[07:20] <rodietze> argh.... please anybody can understand me? I have ubuntu 5.10, can I apt-get kubuntu-desktop but using kubuntu 5.04 instead 5.10? will it have conflicts? I mean ubuntu-breazy 5.10 and the KDE applications such Quanta? that will be from kubuntu 5.04?
[07:20] <mustard5> sdepoote, bummer...I'm at a loss
[07:21] <rodietze> coz at home I just have the CDs, no internet connection
[07:21] <sdepoote> mustard5, ?
[07:21] <bonee> ,repositories
[07:21] <warpforge> sonder: got it?
[07:21] <kronus> good morning
[07:21] <drijen> ThomasM: you about?
[07:21] <drijen> sector10: you ahbout?
[07:21] <Sonderblade> warpforge: yeah thanks
[07:22] <bonee> who has the current repositories
[07:22] <kronus> how do I force apt-get to download, instead of getting from CD?
[07:22] <Zvjer> anyone tryed new skype.deb on breezy? it requires newer qt lib :(
[07:22] <mustard5> sdepoote, this is all I have for you https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[07:22] <warpforge> sonder: i'm near 100% sure your problem is exactly with those packages
[07:22] <daan> how do i know if my vidiocard is working or not?
[07:22] <kronus> does it display stuff?
[07:22] <kronus> then it works
[07:22] <drijen> daan: glxgears
[07:22] <drijen> daan: ati or nvidia
[07:23] <zoot1> any clue how to fix this error: RPC: failed to contact portmap (errno -5) [portmap _is_ running] 
[07:23] <Sonderblade> warpforge: the remove doesn't work, yelp is dependant on mozilla it says
[07:23] <daan> drijen: i have ati
[07:23] <sdepoote> mustard5, did that already...
[07:23] <drijen> daan: gl with that :)
[07:23] <daan> drijen: hehe ok
[07:23] <mustard5> sdepoote, yeah...sorry..i
[07:23] <ssam> kronus, you have to take the cd line out of /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:23] <Trackilizer> I have a problem guys, after updating my sources.list file i the run "sudo apt-get update" but it says something about not being able to connect or something, is this normal?
[07:23] <dradul> rodietze, you will have some laggin versions, but the upgrade from CD will be cleaner (you'll have even the pat source list updated to the latest :-)
[07:23] <ssam> kronus, or put a # at the front of that line
[07:24] <david__> hi, how can I install java + netbeans on ubuntu?
[07:24] <sdepoote> mustard5, nope ;) tnx for listening ;)
[07:24] <kronus> ssam: thanks
[07:24] <Coke> $ cp chapter "chapter*"
[07:24] <ssam> kronus, then you might need to do apt-get update
[07:24] <elvirolo> strange
[07:24] <rodietze> dradul Oh thanks a lot! I just have the cd ubuntu 5.10 and kubuntu 5.04, so I can have both so I can use KDE and gnome apps? but using an oldder
[07:24] <kron_> k
[07:24] <Trackilizer> SO, is the fact that "sudo apt-get update" isn't working at the moment normal?
[07:24] <cevizoglu> wow, 711 people on here, is that a record?
[07:25] <cevizoglu> Trackilizer, depends on your mirror
[07:25] <mustard5> sdepoote, np
[07:25] <daan> Does anyone know how i can see if my ati card is working?
[07:25] <rodietze> kubuntu, I mean doesn't ubuntu 5.10 expect me to have obligated a kubuntu 5.10
[07:25] <elvirolo> if i do "useradd xxx && su xxx && whoami" it tells me "xxx"
[07:25] <Trackilizer> I changed my sources.list file according to the faq.
[07:25] <Trackilizer> But it simply won't update.
[07:25] <dradul> rodietze, yes. that's correct. Yet, there may be some kinks that would be better solved if you can get your hands on a Kubuntu 5.10 Cd eventually.
[07:25] <Trackilizer> It can't connect.
[07:25] <ssam> Trackilizer, i think the servers are very busy
[07:26] <elvirolo> but if I do (as elvirolo) "su icecast2 && whoami" it says "elvirolo"
[07:26] <warpforge> track: try a different repo server
[07:26] <kron__> ssam: could you please repeat (apt-get no cd), i closed window >.<
[07:26] <Trackilizer> Well, the thing is i don't know how.
[07:26] <cevizoglu> Trackilizer, I can update just fine right now.  You might want to switch to a mirror
[07:26] <Trackilizer> How?
[07:26] <tristanmike> I can't update either
[07:26] <cevizoglu> !tell Trackilizer about repositories
[07:26] <Trackilizer> Would you mind sending me your sources.list file?
[07:26] <Trackilizer> Please
[07:26] <ssam> kron, put a # at the start of the cd line at the top of /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:27] <kron_> thanks, again
[07:27] <dradul> rodietze, If you don't have access to the net, the dependecy management in apt will allow you to have coexisting the Gnome apps from 5.10 with the KDE from 5.04. There is no real problem there.
[07:27] <zyph> oh i see, no wonder i couldn't upgrade
[07:27] <Trackilizer> I know, i used that, doen't seem to be working.
[07:27] <rodietze> dradul!! thanks
[07:27] <zyph> everyone's eating bandwidth
[07:27] <daved> whats the name of that program that takes a source tarball and tries to auto-make a .deb ?
[07:27] <mustard5> daved, alien?
[07:27] <cevizoglu> Trackilizer, that won't work, because I have a very specialized sources.list.  What you need to do, though, is choose a mirror closest to you
[07:27] <zyph> i do have a question though, i'm running breezy badger test
[07:28] <nalioth> daved: can you compile source?
[07:28] <zyph> do i need to change my repositories?
[07:28] <nalioth> mustard5: that is to convert RPMs to .deb
[07:28] <nalioth> zyph: no you do not
[07:28] <Draucon> perhaps dpkg-buildpackage
[07:28] <mustard5> nalioth, k
[07:28] <dradul> zyph, if you updated your install yesterday from the net, you already have the officual, stable release.
[07:28] <zyph> thanks nalioth
[07:28] <zyph> i didn't
[07:28] <mustard5> what does apt-get checkinstall do?
[07:28] <cevizoglu> Trackilizer, here is where you can get a list of mirrors: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[07:29] <mustard5> or was it dpkg checkinstall
[07:29] <daved> nalioth: if i have a directory in which i would ./configure && make  is there anything i can run to just turn that dir into a deb
[07:29] <zyph> i think i got breezy when it came out
[07:29] <mustard5> hehe
[07:29] <mustard5> cant remember now
[07:29] <nalioth> mustard5: it builds a deb AFTER you've compiled the source. (it's used in place of "make install"
[07:29] <mustard5> k
[07:29] <nalioth> daved: yes, as i said to mustard5, use 'checkinstall' instead of "make install"
[07:29] <Trackilizer> !sources
[07:29] <ubotu> rumour has it, sources is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[07:29] <mirak> hi
[07:29] <oSx> anyone have any 5.10 breezy backport/extra reposotory site?
[07:29] <zyph> i like ubuntu, but i think there's a lot of stuff missing from repositories
[07:29] <daved> nalioth: thanks
[07:29] <oSx> zyph: same thing
[07:30] <nalioth> zyph: have you enabled universe and multiverse?
[07:30] <oSx> cant find any of my fav apps
[07:30] <zyph> yeah
[07:30] <mirak> is there a way to mount samba share on the file system with the GUI ? he vfs suck a bit
[07:30] <oSx> nalioth: how do you do that?
[07:30] <nalioth> ubotu: tell oSx about repos
[07:30] <mirak> the vfs with nautilus suck a bit
[07:30] <daved> nalioth: does it matter if i ./configure with --prefix /usr or not?
[07:30] <zyph> for instance, there are some games that are in debian repositories or have gentoo ebuilds, but aren't in ubuntu universe
[07:30] <dradul> zyph, if you already have a breezy colony CD explore the uses of jigit. That's how I updated my ISO to the release version this morning, I only had to download les than 100 Mb, everything else was already in the apt cache.
[07:31] <oSx> ok thanks nalioth
[07:31] <nalioth> daved: not at all, although that is usually the default
[07:31] <Dreezard> hi everyone
[07:31] <zyph> colony CD?
[07:31] <nalioth> zyph: not in multiverse, either?
[07:31] <zyph> nalioth, no
[07:31] <dradul> zyph, yes, something like the release candidate Cd or alike.
[07:31] <zyph> ah, dradul
[07:32] <Dreezard> I've got a question concerning deb packagages and their attributes
[07:32] <Trackilizer> cevizoglu, thanks for the info, worked great.
[07:32] <nalioth> Dreezard: ask your questions to the channel
[07:32] <Dreezard> I want to change the attribute of an existing packagage but don't know how to do that
[07:32] <solidgroove> is there a canada mirror for breezy?
[07:32] <solidgroove> or usa that works
[07:33] <ColonelKernel> even the ubuntuy torrent is going slow
[07:33] <nalioth> solidgroove: www.ubuntulinux.org/download  has mirrors listed
[07:33] <merriam> ColonelKernel: the torrent is fast here.
[07:33] <Dreezard> does sb know how to do that?
[07:33] <mustard5> Dreezard, what attribute of the file?
[07:33] <zyph> i can only use ubuntu deb packages right? not general debian packages?
[07:33] <ezerhoden> anyone running e17?
[07:33] <ColonelKernel> merriam, im getting 50kB a second here, I wonder whats wrong
[07:34] <solidgroove> nice
[07:34] <dradul> zyph, that's correct.
[07:34] <axeus> Does snes9x come with any ROMs ?
[07:34] <Trackilizer> Here comes the next problem, following the info on the FAQ i tried to install RealPlayer but i get this error: ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:34] <Dreezard> well... attributes like the distributor and/or the version
[07:34] <nalioth> ColonelKernel: a million people getting breezy ??
[07:34] <zyph> axeus, bad question
[07:34] <zyph> axeus, no
[07:34] <TiMiDo> yeah
[07:34] <axeus> zyph: ... :|
[07:34] <TiMiDo> must be
[07:34] <ColonelKernel> nalioth, should be a plus not a minux with bittorrent
[07:34] <axeus> Why, is it a "legal" thing?
[07:34] <zyph> pretty much
[07:35] <axeus> Ah, thought they would have dropped that sorta thing by now.
[07:35] <zyph> not even close
[07:35] <zyph> but this is getting off topic
[07:35] <foxgamer> Hey all. You've probably been asked this like a million times already, but, have the repositories changed in the last 12 hours?
[07:35] <axeus> *cough* .. anyways :)
[07:35] <Trackilizer> Following the info on the FAQ i tried to install RealPlayer but i get this error: ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory -- What should i do?
[07:35] <jrattner1> Any DVD images avaialable yet?
[07:35] <nalioth> foxgamer: breezy has released. the servers are being hammered
[07:36] <jagfsf> howdy.
[07:36] <nalioth> Trackilizer: dont repeat so often. if someone knows the answer, they will answer you
[07:36] <foxgamer> ah. That's all. phew! I can wait :) Thank you nalioth
[07:36] <nalioth> Trackilizer: we are not ignoring you
[07:36] <barnes_> Does Ubuntu 5.10 support wireless cards?
[07:36] <something_else> what happened to autmount with usb?
[07:36] <Trackilizer> So i take it no one knows the answer?
[07:36] <kronus-> woah, apt-get is going slow
[07:36] <Tomcat_> barnes_: Yes.
[07:36] <something_else> barnes, it certainly does
[07:36] <Tomcat_> barnes_: Not all of them, but many.
[07:36] <Knelix> Hey, anyone know of any good Halloween gnome/Ubuntu desktop pics?
[07:36] <sector10> anybody know something about simple file sharing with NFS?
[07:36] <jagfsf> am i just dumb/blind, or does apache2 in ubuntu not have mod_negotiation?
[07:37] <barnes_> I have a dlink and could not get it to work on 5.04
[07:37] <nalioth> Trackilizer: install "libstdc++5
[07:37] <barnes_> I'm downloading 5.10 right now.
[07:37] <something_else> I just dont get it, no usb in breezy?
[07:37] <Dreezard> mustard5: well. shot story: I wanted to make a deb package out of some files. I packed them in a tar.gz file and converted them with alien to a deb. And now i want to change the attributes like author and version
[07:38] <foxgamer> Trackilizer: I have had the same problem. I couldn't solve it myself - are you trying to use it on a 64bit machine?
[07:38] <nalioth> Dreezard: open them back up and get to editing
[07:38] <sector10> im using the shared folder window in admin to setup NFS
[07:38] <Trackilizer> No!
[07:38] <nalioth> Dreezard: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch
[07:38] <Trackilizer> But like nalioth said install libstdc++5.
[07:39] <sector10> !NFS
[07:39] <ubotu> it has been said that nfs is see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NFSClientHowTo and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NFSServerHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[07:39] <Dreezard> thx. ill take a look @ nalioth
[07:39] <sharmastreet> is this a naughty room
[07:39] <nalioth> sharmastreet: that would be #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:40] <fridge_> Does the latest deb package 'mythtv' replace all the old packages of mythdvd, mythweather, mythgallery correctly? It wants to remove these old packages, and I'd rather not break it by upgrading and finding out it has removed most of the functionality.
[07:40] <sector10> question, can samba share between two linux boxes files?
[07:40] <VR^> how do i install a cursor theme?
[07:40] <sharmastreet> whats with all the weired names
[07:40] <NoUse> sector10 yes
[07:40] <nalioth> sector10: yes, but it's better to use NFS
[07:40] <ezerhoden> nalioth: is e17 available in ubuntu repositories?
[07:41] <sharmastreet> boring naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[07:41] <fredforfaen> anybody here knows how to get e17 to work on breezy?
[07:41] <nalioth> sharmastreet: please liven up #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:41] <sharmastreet> wat east 17 loser
[07:41] <nalioth> ezerhoden: not yet
[07:41] <pitti> has anyone ever tried multisync to sync evo between two computers?
[07:41] <fredforfaen> lol
[07:41] <sector10> NoUse: does autofs need to be setup in Ubuntu
[07:42] <henryson> vr: add gcursor from the repositories!
[07:42] <henryson> VR^ : add gcursor from the repositories
[07:42] <pitti> I can connect two syncml instances, but it does not actually sync
[07:42] <jagfsf> am i just dumb/blind, or does apache2 in ubuntu not have mod_negotiation?
[07:43] <NoUse> sector10 not for samba
[07:43] <olli_04> hi... i have no sound after upgrading from "breezer badger preview" to "breezer badger finel" 5.10 to day, what's wrong?
[07:43] <olli_04> sound was working before i upgrade
[07:43] <sector10> ok ill try nfs
[07:44] <nalioth> ubotu: tell sector10 about nfs
[07:44] <VR^> henryson: thanks
[07:44] <HiddenWolf_> Guys, I have a problem with pppoeconf.
[07:45] <[216] Shadey> hey guys is their going to be an Ubuntuguide for v5.10 like for v5.04 at http://ubuntuguide.org/? That was probably one of the best aspects of 5.04, it made using it so easy
[07:45] <jagfsf> olli_04 -- just a guess, but go into System -> Preferences -> Multimedia Systems Selector, and change the default output to custom pipeline: "alsasink device=hw:0"
[07:45] <sector10> nalioth: i found it already thanks
[07:45] <speel> wow
[07:45] <ROBOd> hi
[07:45] <speel> 717 :D
[07:45] <olli_04> jagfsf: thanks, i will try
[07:45] <ezerhoden> is it possible to have nautilus reuse the open window when digging down into a folder?
[07:46] <HiddenWolf_> [216] Shadey, I'd imagine so, but ubuntu guide is not official, and has little to do with ubuntu and the community.
[07:46] <speel> hey are the repo servers getting hammerd?
[07:46] <olli_04> jagfsf: how to do this under kubuntu?
[07:46] <HiddenWolf_> speel, yes, heavily.
[07:46] <hajiki> So what is the main difference between the normal release and the ubuntu-server release? How is it 'optimized' for servers?
[07:46] <speel> HiddenWolf_, ah ok lol thanks
[07:46] <HiddenWolf_> hajiki, technically, nothing
[07:47] <hajiki> but...
[07:47] <jagfsf> olli_04 -- :-/ never really used kde much... don't know exactly about artsd etc
[07:47] <nalioth> hajiki: the server install has no gui parts
[07:47] <erniee> I know this has been asked already but if you had the preview installed do you need to upgrade to the release version?
[07:47] <olli_04> jagfsf: ok
[07:47] <HiddenWolf_> hajiki, comes from the same cd, but if you type server, you get only ubuntu-base and -minimal, and can add the server programs you need
[07:47] <mustard5> hajiki, its a minimal install
[07:47] <raingrove_> does ubuntu/kubuntu 5.10 have any upgrades available?
[07:47] <HiddenWolf_> raingrove_, no
[07:47] <raingrove_> i mean.. i installed 5.10, but is there any update on top of it?
[07:48] <nalioth> erniee: if you leave your system be, it will alert you when an upgrade is necessary or available
[07:48] <kronus-> i picked the worst day possible to fiddle with my install :/
[07:48] <wezzer> hmm, does someone has beagle up and running in hoary?
[07:48] <hajiki> HiddenWolf_, isnt that what the server boot option does on the regular CD?
[07:48] <wezzer> command best shows only some errors
[07:48] <erniee> nalioth: thanks
[07:48] <nalioth> raingrove_: it just released this morning, give em a day or two
[07:48] <HiddenWolf_> hajiki, yes.
[07:48] <wezzer> data has been indexed though
[07:48] <[216] Shadey> I can probably use the 5.04 guide to get running with 5.10. Where can i find like a list of recomended repositories?
[07:48] <axeus> Actually: I think it's perfectly legal to download a snes ROM if you own and have in your possession a cartridge which you bought of the same game.
[07:49] <HiddenWolf_> hajiki, server project is a project to get all the right software shipped with the right configurations, but it's not a different beast altogether.
[07:49] <axeus> And I've got an SNES and a copy of Super Mario World. So that's the ROM I'm looking for.
[07:49] <HiddenWolf_> [216] Shadey, all you need are the regular repro's
[07:49] <hajiki> HiddenFly, OH that makes more sense now, thanks
[07:49] <dmlinux> Hey guys, how do i make gdesklets run at startup, i do sessions/startup and put the command gDesklets in there and it never runs at start up
[07:49] <HiddenWolf_> [216] Shadey, enable universe, perhaps multiverse, you'll be fine
[07:49] <henryson> question about two network interfaces:  a ubuntu box, two nicks. The internet connection only works if "default gateway interface" is set to eth1, and local net if set to eth0.... how do i get both to work simultaniously?
[07:49] <HiddenWolf_> hajiki, no problem, but watch your tabbing. :)
[07:49] <tristanmike> axeus, it's kinda off-topic, but in most countries, it's only legal if you "rip" them yourself off of your own cartridge
[07:50] <hajiki> woops! sorry
[07:50] <sandollar> hey folks how do ya play mp3's in xmms
[07:50] <hajiki> dmlinux, you can make sure gdesklets is running and right before you logoff or shutdown, check the box that says save your current session.
[07:50] <Answer> does anybody have a repository just for 5.04 packages...  all I want is secpanel and it is so slow bc everyone is upgrading
[07:51] <axeus> tristanmike: You wouldn't happen to know the US code would you? :S
[07:51] <something_else> hmm well its not usb thats the problem
[07:51] <something_else> strange
[07:51] <hkais> hello
[07:51] <NoUse> Answer try some mirror
[07:51] <something_else> an external usb hard disk of 30 gig doesnt automount
[07:51] <nalioth> ubotu: tell sandollar about mp3
[07:51] <axeus> tristanmike: Or know of a channel better suited for this type of discussion?
[07:51] <something_else> yet a 512 usb stick does
[07:51] <dmlinux> hajiki where is that check box?
[07:52] <tristanmike> axeus, #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:52] <axeus> Thanks.
[07:52] <tristanmike> np
[07:53] <hajiki> dmlinux, on the dialog you get when you click logout
[07:53] <[216] Shadey> what's the deal with backport repositories, are they genereally bad news? On my 5.04 installation I was unable to get Samba going after installing many packages, and I was told it was possibly because of using packeges from backports
[07:53] <dmlinux> hajiki im runnign breezy, i dont see that box
[07:53] <hajiki> system > logout
[07:53] <twysted> [216] Shadey dont use them unless you know what to use them for ;)
[07:54] <nalioth> [216] Shadey: backports have in the past been haphazard. but they have recently become 'official' and are slowly becoming streamlined so as not to break things
[07:54] <hajiki> dmlinux, i am also running breezy
[07:54] <nalioth> [216] Shadey: but as twysted says, dont use em unless you need something
[07:54] <[216] Shadey> hmm, cool thanks for the info
[07:54] <hajiki> dmlinux, when you click on system > logout you get a window with options to logout, showdown, and reboot
[07:55] <dmlinux> hajiki ok i see that
[07:55] <hajiki> dmlinux, on top of all of those is an option to save your current setup
[07:55] <hajiki> dmlinux, do you see the option now?
[07:55] <dmlinux> one sec took a screeny
[07:55] <dmlinux> hajiki no
[07:55] <HiddenWolf_> Can anyone here help me? I upgraded a perfectly fine working laptop from 5.04 to 5.10, and suddenly I can't connect over pppoe
[07:55] <hajiki> dmlinux, ok ill show you how to turn it on
[07:55] <dmlinux> hajiki sweet
[07:56] <hajiki> go to system > prefereces > sessions
[07:56] <dmlinux> hajiki ok
[07:56] <hajiki> dmlinux, on the 'session options' tab what boxes do you see checked
[07:56] <dmlinux> hajiki i dont have a "SESSION OPTIONS"
[07:57] <hajiki> dmlinux, i guess you could also add gdesklets to the 'startup programs' tab
[07:57] <Dreezard> i've read the howto but that is just overkill for a simple deb package with 4 compiled files.
[07:57] <hajiki> dmlinux, weird, your installed seems broken to me
[07:57] <dmlinux> hajiki oh i see a session options sorrt
[07:57] <dmlinux> hajiki lol my bad, there is a options
[07:57] <mirak> linux community never did class actions to sue hardware manufacturer for not giving out specs ?
[07:57] <hajiki> dmlinux, ive seen those options since gnome 1.4
[07:58] <Dreezard> isnt there an easier way to change attributes /after/ the package was made?
[07:58] <[216] Shadey> can someone link me the .torrent for the x86 distro installation disk? The Ubuntu mirrors are getting hammered
[07:58] <hmrocha> hello, just a question...
[07:58] <dmlinux> hajiki i put gDesklets, it is case sensitive
[07:58] <hajiki> dmlinux, cool!
[07:58] <iapx8088> hi all
[07:59] <hkais> does anybondy know more about Dapper Drake and the server version?
[07:59] <iapx8088> A link for upgrading to hoary to breezy?
[07:59] <iapx8088> I mean some infos and so on
[07:59] <cevizoglu> server version?
[07:59] <nalioth> hkais: there is no dapper drake
[07:59] <hajiki> iapx8088, read the topic :)
[07:59] <hkais> yes
[07:59] <cevizoglu> hkais, what about a server version?
[07:59] <nalioth> ubotu: tell iapx8088 about upgrade2breezy
[07:59] <dmlinux> hajiki is that all i need to do?
[07:59] <newz2000> Trying to get details of all mp3 files. This doesn't work if there's a space in the filename, any suggestions: for i in `find ./ | egrep '.*mp3$'`; do ls -l $i; done
[07:59] <mustafu> Just a quick question....my monitor does a lot of flickering at high resolutions (1280 x 1024, namely)...is this a sign that the monitor is possibly going bad?
[07:59] <hajiki> dmlinux, that should do it
[07:59] <iapx8088> hajki thanks
[07:59] <hmrocha> if i create a /var partition and a /var/log and /var/spool...
[07:59] <dmlinux> hajiki ok ill brb
[08:00] <hmrocha> .../var only stores the files that are not in log and spool right?
[08:00] <hkais> I read today a german news posting, that drapper drake will get 3 years support and the server version 5years
[08:00] <twysted> mustafu> lower your res and that should fix it
[08:00] <hajiki> mustafu, you probably need to fix the refresh rate by putting in the correct values in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:00] <Shufla> hello :) congrats :)
[08:00] <raingrove_> hey guys
[08:00] <hkais> cevizoglu http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/64862
[08:00] <hajiki> mustafu, or also like twysted said, you are probably using too high of a resolution
[08:00] <raingrove_> can u please add confirmation & warning message before things like rm -rf is carried out?
[08:01] <mustafu> ok, great, thanks for the help
[08:01] <kemik> raingrove_:  what ya mean ?
[08:01] <hajiki> raingrove_, add an alias to your bash files like alias rm='rm -i'
[08:01] <tristanmike> mustafu, perhaps your refresh rate is off..? maybe
[08:01] <kemik> raingrove_:  use the -i
[08:02] <mustafu> the monitor thinks its at h: 84 and v: 81.0
[08:02] <mustafu> not sure if that helps or anything :/
[08:02] <lonki> raingrove_ just be careful with / foo, that will destroy the system, and if you want the warning then set an alias in your shell startup script
[08:02] <raingrove_> thanks very much
[08:02] <hajiki> mustafu, google your monitor and make sure those values are correct, and then make sure they are correct in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:03] <mustafu> k, thanks a bunch!
[08:03] <hkais> no one here with knowledge about the support of drapper drake? (3 and/or 5years support)
[08:03] <tristanmike> mustafu, try "sudo ddcprobe | grep monitor range" this should give you some ranges to work with
[08:04] <twysted> hkais> its not even out so why worry?
[08:04] <Knelix> Hey a release party would be a great idea...
[08:04] <Knelix> I wonder if there are even enough users in my area, though.
[08:04] <hkais> twysted: I want now to descide if I will switch to opensuse or to ubuntu
[08:05] <twysted> hkais id use ubuntu, it should be 5 years sever support though
[08:06] <hkais> twysted: there can I find infos about the server version?
[08:06] <twysted> hkais do you mean kernel version?
[08:06] <hkais> twysted: here is the post of mark shutterworth http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=350378
[08:06] <hkais> twysted: read the post of mark sh.
[08:06] <Tomcat_> Oh what a fancy hat :D
[08:06] <Patrik88> is this the "right" channel ?? :P
[08:06] <twysted> hkais ive read it before
[08:07] <twysted> hkais but i still dont really understand your quesiton of what the server version will be
[08:08] <hkais> there is a guaranteed support for desktop 3years and for server 5 years. but I cannot see:
[08:08] <hkais> - if the server is also free?
[08:08] <hkais> - if not, what will be the kosts
[08:08] <hkais> - is there already a server version?
[08:08] <Patrik88> im getting this error : Couldn't find package gzopen, when im trying to install ettercap, anyone know how to solve it??
[08:08] <twysted> hkais server is free it uses the same install as desktop would but at the boot prompt you type 'server'
[08:08] <hkais> suse and redhat have both a desktop and an enterprise (server) version
[08:08] <nalioth> hkais: there is a server version
[08:08] <kronus-> i'm running teh server version
[08:08] <twysted> hkais so for example breezy is 5.10 the server basically is the same
[08:08] <nalioth> Patrik88: are you using non official repos?
[08:08] <kronus-> it's just a stripped down desktop install
[08:09] <Patrik88> what??
[08:09] <twysted> hkais server install is just a base system, just what it takes for basic use everything else to be installed is your choice
[08:09] <nalioth> Patrik88: are you using any non ubuntu repositories?
[08:09] <hkais> that means, that the same installation media will have support for 3 and 5 years depending on the installation?
[08:09] <twysted> hkais, yes
[08:09] <thomerz> hi, can someone help me with a problem, my xserver doesnt starts, i have tried the fixes on wiki, this is mei xorg.0.log -> http://rafb.net/paste/results/rcpIxH86.html
[08:09] <hkais> that is fine.
[08:09] <Patrik88> i dont know so i think not
[08:10] <hkais> okay i think i have to switch to ubuntu
[08:10] <wrabbit> nalioth, you around? All done
[08:10] <wrabbit> Anything else I'll need to do?
[08:10] <twysted> hkais cool :) if you need help just ask, i run ubuntu as a server myself
[08:10] <cevizoglu> hkais, dapper drake is the name for the ubuntu release which will occur in six months. it's nonexistent right now
[08:11] <lonki> just a question, are there any ubuntu mirrors for updating using apt-get?
[08:11] <twysted> cevizoglu, we already sorted it out :)
[08:11] <dbug> anyone can tell me how reinstall a aplication with apt-get on terminal ?
[08:11] <henryson> does the values entered with "route add -net" stay, even if i reboot my machine?
[08:11] <lonki> or just the ones in the sources.list?
[08:11] <nalioth> ubotu: tell dbug about apt-get
[08:11] <infernall> my god.  is there anywhere else i can get the acidrip .deb package?! i need to rip a customers dvd at the office, but i cant download it with synaptic
[08:11] <lonki> henryson no
[08:11] <twysted> lonki there are more but they are not always sync'd with the main mirror
[08:11] <lonki> hmm, k
[08:12] <henryson> lonki, where do i add that line?
[08:12] <Patrik88> nalioth: dont think so??
[08:12] <twysted> infernall, if u can download the package you can sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[08:12] <Patrik88> nalioth: any ideas?
[08:12] <henryson> dbug: sudo apt-get install (packagename)
[08:12] <nalioth> Patrik88: you should not be having any pkg diffeculties. however the repos are getting hammered atm
[08:12] <hkais> twysted: many thanks for your help!
[08:12] <twysted> hkais your welcome
[08:12] <lonki> henryson, not sure how ununtu arranges it, somewhere in /etc/sysconfig/networking in other distro's you can set a ifup-ethX
[08:13] <nalioth> infernall: you may break your box if you use the wrong deb
[08:13] <henryson> lonki, thanx, i will lokk into it!
[08:13] <lonki> henryson, but people in here can tell you how it is done in ubuntu
[08:13] <Patrik88> nalioth: is that ehy it says that the packages cant be found when im trying to install them??
[08:13] <nalioth> Patrik88: the most likely reason today, yes (and probably for a few more days)
[08:14] <Howdy125> acidrip has alot of deps
[08:14] <dbug> nalioth, tks :)
[08:14] <lonki> twysted, thanks
[08:14] <misiek2000> hi
[08:14] <Patrik88> nalioth: oh thats too bad, any other ways to do it??
[08:14] <nalioth> Patrik88: not while the repos are getting hammered
[08:14] <misiek2000> i need some interesing reprisitories :)
[08:15] <infernall> so, no fast repositories?
[08:15] <nalioth> misiek2000: interesting?
[08:15] <Patrik88> nalioth: well thx anyways
[08:15] <nalioth> infernall: not today, i'm afraid
[08:15] <misiek2000> nalioth,  with interesing stuff. soft etc
[08:15] <nalioth> ubotu: tell misiek2000 about sources
[08:16] <zeus1_> guys im having big problems with breezy
[08:16] <occy> heh
[08:16] <Patrik88> nalioth: if they hadnt been hammered is it possible yo install ettercap from there?? without having to ./configure, make, make install and thing like that??
[08:16] <occy> I can't get thunderbird
[08:16] <occy> which is what I need to get my email.
[08:16] <occy> :/
[08:16] <zeus1_> the problem would take a long time to explain here so Ill post a link to where I can show u the problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75265
[08:16] <misiek2000> ok i will see:)
[08:17] <Chadza> Anyone know of a program that'll let me create and set up a sql database (not through a web server)?
[08:17] <nalioth> Patrik88: yes, once the mad rush to get breezy dies off, you shouldnt have any problems
[08:17] <infernall> how do i build a .deb package froma  tarball?
[08:17] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Patrik88 about sources
[08:17] <avr> thomerz, have you tried starting X plain from the console ?
[08:17] <thomerz> avr, yes
[08:17] <nalioth> infernall: ./configure && make && checkinstall
[08:17] <thomerz> its funny, hoary worked without problems
[08:17] <Patrik88> ubotu: yes please
[08:17] <ubotu> Patrik88: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[08:18] <nalioth> ubotu: tell infernall about checkinstall
[08:18] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Patrik88 about yourself
[08:18] <TiMiDo> lol
[08:18] <Patrik88> ??
[08:18] <_willcooke_> Chadza, What do you need to do exactly?  Creating a mysql database is very easy.
[08:19] <nalioth> Patrik88: check your private messages
[08:19] <zeus1_> guys help in breezy when I go to networking config properties and edit properties for wireless connection it locks up and i have to force quit it then after that gnome gets really glitchy!!! heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp!
[08:19] <cantona_> amy real local mirror
[08:19] <avr> thomerz, ok, have you already tried configuring for simple 'svga' or 'vga', or perhaps turning of dri ?
[08:19] <joe_alf> how do i setup internet connection sharing from my ubuntu to wmware guest windows xp using bridge. from host ubuntu i can ping win xp (guest) and from guest OS i can ping host OS. from windows i configure networking.
[08:19] <graabein> breezy breezy breezy breezy breezy breezy breezy
[08:19] <Patrik88> hehe now i get it
[08:20] <Licker> anyone know how to setup a password for root for mysql for ubuntu?
[08:20] <cantona_> why all xx.archive.ubuntu.com is same
[08:20] <Chadza> _willcooke_: I'm playing around with rubyonrails, and I need to set up a database with 2 tables in it.
[08:20] <thomerz> avr, no i havent, but i cant unterstand why this has worked in hoary without problems
[08:20] <leonel> is there a graphical  frontend for   pppoeconf  and   pon dsl-provider ?
[08:21] <meff> can someone tell me if 5.10 supports the IT812x ide chipsets? iirc this driver came with 2.6.13 and breezy seems to be 2.6.12..
[08:21] <_willcooke_> Chadza, Have you got mysql installed etc?
[08:21] <avr> thomerz, perhaps an xorg upgrade or a kernel upgrade.
[08:21] <Howdy125> Anyone know how to disable S.M.A.R.T on a hard drive ?? .. Some way to tell it it's not really broken or something ..
[08:21] <Chadza> Yeah.
[08:21] <Chadza> _willcooke_: Yeah.
[08:22] <zeus1_> anyone plz help in breezy when I go to networking config properties and edit properties/options for wireless connection it locks up and i have to force quit it then after that gnome gets really glitched help plzz
[08:22] <_willcooke_> Chadza, can you get in to the command line interface?
[08:22] <Chadza> _willcooke_: Yep.
[08:23] <_willcooke_> Chadza, Cool.  Then go in the command line and do "create database <database name>"
[08:24] <JairunCaloth> should I upgrade to breezey or wait a little longer?
[08:24] <_willcooke_> Chadza, oo, you'll need a ";" on the end.
[08:24] <pinucset> upgrade! :D
[08:24] <pinucset> it is stablenow :D
[08:24] <misiek2000> i waiting for shipit:P
[08:25] <tasuki> hello, I have already written on the forum, but noone helped me there yet... after dist-upgrading to breezy I can't set keyboards in gnome and switch between them
[08:25] <peera> Help me
[08:25] <_willcooke_> JairunCaloth, if you're in now hurry wait a little while for the servers to get a little less busy!
[08:25] <_willcooke_> s/now, no
[08:25] <Chadza> _willcooke_: Do I need mysql in front of that?
[08:25] <JairunCaloth> I forgot that breezy just came out today and I just got done installing hory on my roomates computer
[08:25] <SupIAmMike> bit torrent of breezy avaliable?
[08:25] <tasuki> and it seems more people have the same problem like me
[08:26] <_willcooke_> Chadza, Yeah, so do a "mysql" to get the console up, then (assuming you've got rights set up) "create database <whatever>;"
[08:26] <zeus1_>  guys help in breezy when I go to networking config properties and edit properties for wireless connection it locks up and i have to force quit it then after that gnome gets really glitchy!!! heelp!
[08:26] <_willcooke_> Chadza, Where <whatever> is your database name
[08:26] <Gobbla> umm does anybody remember how many packages there was on a 5.04-5.10 dist upgrade?
[08:26] <Chadza> _willcooke_: Okay, lemme try again
[08:26] <effie> Hello, I am experiencing a rather slow connection speed when updating ubuntu
[08:27] <occy> :(
[08:27] <effie> I use the nl. archive
[08:27] <_willcooke_> effie, Ain't we all!
[08:27] <occy> they got rid of my old beep-media-player skin
[08:27] <broker> Someone knows how change the working mode of the usb data storage disks ? The operations are not executed until I umount the device
[08:27] <occy> *sigh*
[08:27] <effie> is this problem known?
[08:27] <peera> i want to use n-gage nokia to connect to internet
[08:27] <Chadza> _willcooke_: It said "Query okay, 1 row effected"
[08:27] <nalioth> effie: millions of people are getting breezy
[08:27] <effie> I mean, at home ( where I am not) I had a much faster connection to the ubuntu archive
[08:27] <JairunCaloth> effie: Everyone is updateing and downloading right now
[08:27] <nalioth> effie: ALL ubuntu mirrors are slow
[08:27] <effie> ok that was a few days ago
[08:27] <peera> 
[08:27] <effie> ok , i see
[08:27] <peera> 
[08:27] <_willcooke_> Chadza, Dahhh dahhh! One database created! (easy eh!) Now you need to create the tables... so "use <whatever you called your database>;"
[08:27] <JairunCaloth> ubuntu got shashdotted today
[08:28] <Gobbla> noone? kinda important..
[08:28] <effie> I just installed this for a couple of friends to show off but now I'm still sitting here ;)
[08:28] <nalioth> peera: english in here please
[08:28] <Gobbla> im at package 323, are there many left?
[08:29] <nalioth> Gobbla: see above re effie
[08:29] <Gobbla> nalioth: come again?
[08:29] <nalioth> Gobbla: we just answered effie about the same problem
[08:29] <JairunCaloth> Is dist-upgrade relyable, or will I get a better installation just downloading the ISO?
[08:29] <zeus1_>  guys help in breezy when I go to networking config properties and edit properties for wireless connection it locks up and i have to force quit it then after that gnome gets really glitched need some assistance
[08:29] <mae> whats a good webdav client for ubuntu
[08:29] <Chadza> _willcooke_: So what do I do to add a table to it?  I don't know if I got everything that you said
[08:30] <Gobbla> nalioth: i need to know the amount of packages, i know and understand why there is slow speed
[08:30] <nalioth> JairunCaloth: you should never have to install again, apt-get is designed to painlessy upgrade you
[08:30] <peera> 
[08:30] <_willcooke_> Chadza, To create a table within a database you first need to "use" the database, so 'use <databasename>;', then to create the table...
[08:30] <nalioth> Gobbla: the amount of pkgs has probably scrolled past on your terminal
[08:30] <Gobbla> nalioth: yes i know
[08:30] <Gobbla> thats why im asking
[08:30] <rob_p> zeus1_:  How many instances of network-admin are running (both defunct and alive)?
[08:31] <nalioth> Gobbla: we cant help you. each system is different
[08:31] <nderjm> Greetings from Jamrock
[08:31] <Gobbla> just approx. is fine.. like is it 500 or 5000?
[08:31] <_willcooke_> Chadza, "create table tablename(col_name TYPE, col_name TYPE, col_name TYPE);' where colname is the name of each column you want to create and TYPE is the type of column it needs to be.
[08:31] <nderjm> I've successfully installed Breezy :)
[08:31] <zeus1_> rob_p : not sure but... The first time I try it it locks up, then I have to force quit it....then if I try opening network admin again, I see "opening network admin" thing in the toolbar and then after a few seconds it just disapears
[08:32] <nderjm> unfortunately, I have a slight problem with video, and i have never encountered such a problem
[08:32] <_willcooke_> Chadza, http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/create-table.html
[08:32] <nalioth> Gobbla: are you upgrading, yes? if so, its' in the 100s
[08:32] <nderjm> The screen wraps around
[08:32] <Gobbla> nalioth: yes
[08:32] <zeus1_> rob_p: Then after that, if i try opening OpenOffice 2 it does the same thing...
[08:32] <nderjm> a piece of the top is by the bottom of the screen
[08:32] <thrice`> ok...someone explain this one ?
[08:32] <Gobbla> ok, thx
[08:32] <Chadza> _willcooke_: Thank you very much.
[08:32] <rob_p> zeus1_:  Do a, "ps -A | grep network-admin" to see if any are still hanging around.
[08:32] <thrice`> Linux 2.6.12.6 with many updated drivers from third parties
[08:32] <thrice`> there was never a 2.6.12.6 if I remember correct...
[08:32] <_willcooke_> Chadza, No worries.  It looks a little hard to start but you'll soon make sense of it.
[08:33] <nderjm> so the Gnome menu for example is at the bottom, but i have to move the mouse to the top of the sceen and it will wrap around and get to the bottom
[08:33] <nderjm> anyone had a similar issue or might know whats causing it?
[08:33] <Thierry_> Hi, I need to buy a laptop tomorrow. I would like one that works well with Ubuntu (15,1 ou 15,4"  screen) could some one help me
[08:33] <JairunCaloth> anyone else getting 404 on hory backports?
[08:33] <Chadza> _willcooke_: One last question, do you know where this db is, so I can move it to my rails folder?
[08:33] <coolkev> i'm unable to send files over xchat to others
[08:33] <Lars_G> It's out it's out!
[08:34] <misiek2000> somene hear somthing about ebuntu?
[08:34] <thrice`> JairunCaloth: breezy is out now...they've likely stopped
[08:34] <Gobbla> nalioth: do you remember how many you had?
[08:34] <topyli> my work box died after installing the fglrx driver for x. this is not good, even if i can easily do with the ati driver on the work box (won't play q3a on it anyway, at least in public)
[08:34] <Dekkard> man ubuntu servers are friggin HaMmerEd!
[08:34] <nalioth> JairunCaloth: backports are either dead or not available yet
[08:34] <rob_p> zeus1_:  Did any instances show up?
[08:34] <nalioth> ubotu: tell JairunCaloth about backports
[08:34] <_willcooke_> Chadza, I dont know how rails works, but generally things access databases through an api in the language you are using.  So, they talk to the mysql server, not look at the file where the database is held.  Basically, you shouldnt need to move the file.
[08:34] <nalioth> JairunCaloth: if you're using mirrormax. it is no longer with us
[08:35] <JairunCaloth> ahhh, so the repositorys on ubuntuguide are outdated then
[08:35] <zeus1_> rob_p: im in windows right now...i cant set up my internet connection on linux because the network config keeps freezing
[08:35] <zeus1_> ill chek in just a sec
[08:35] <topyli> JairunCaloth: most things on the ubuntu guide are incorrect, at least these days
[08:35] <nalioth> JairunCaloth: ubuntuguide is getting more and more out-of-date. use it and break your system
[08:37] <ama> Hi, I've never used IRC before, so please forgive me if I'm doing anything wrong...
[08:38] <ama> Anybody had any problems with xscreensaver after upgrading to 5.10?
[08:38] <Thierry_> I need Help in the choice of a laptop  plz
[08:38] <rob_p> zeus1_:  Is the Linux box on a separate machine?
[08:38] <thrice`> Thierry_: that in no way releates to ubuntu
[08:38] <zeus1_> rob_p: No its on the same system but on a different hard drive
[08:38] <topyli> ama: works fine here
[08:38] <nderjm> nder:test
[08:39] <ama> topyli, It doesn't take my password when the screen is locked
[08:39] <zeus1_> rob_p: brb gonna go test that command
[08:39] <nderjm> nderjm:test
[08:39] <rob_p> zeus1_:  wait.
[08:39] <zeus1_> k
[08:39] <nderjm> nderjm:test
[08:39] <GreatBriton> can anyone help me with setting up a ralink rt2500 wifi card in breezy, please?
[08:40] <AbstracTus> Hmmm, is it just me or is just about everything missing from the repositories? (Yes, I've added universe and multiverse)
[08:40] <topyli> ama: just tested, seems to work
[08:40] <AbstracTus> For example, I cannot install gFTP
[08:40] <rob_p> zeus1_:  Once you do a fresh boot up, that command will not return anything since you won't have launched it.  It's merely a way to see if any defunct network-admin processes are still hanging around after the fact.
[08:40] <ama> topyli, ok thanks. I'll try to mess aroung with my pam config..
[08:41] <GreatBriton> none of you 716 want to help me?
[08:41] <Korn> Slipknot - Left Behind 4m01s 320 kbit/s  44100 Hz
[08:42] <zeus1_> rob_p: so what if some defunct network admin processes are there what do I do
[08:42] <kemik> GreatBriton:  see if its not supported and try ndiswrapper
[08:42] <cevizoglu> Thierry_ check out http://linux-laptop.net/
[08:42] <rob_p> zeus1_:  Helping you troubleshoot this issue will be very time consuming if you have to keep booting back and forth.  Any other PCs with Internet access?
[08:42] <Patrik88> Package zlib1g-dev has no installation candidate, <-- error, anyone, whats wrong??
[08:42] <kemik> !tell GreatBriton about ndiswrapper
[08:42] <kemik> !tell GreatBriton about wireless
[08:42] <cevizoglu> too late
[08:42] <zeus1_> rob_p yes but there in use h/o ill see if I can get a hold of teh lap top
[08:42] <RockyBurt> whats the "most supported" mta in ubuntu  ?
[08:42] <Kira> 5.10 installation cd still gives me a blank screen on my Toshiba Satellite A70. :(
[08:42] <rob_p> zeus1_:  Well, you'd want to kill them and then try and figure out why it's having trouble running in the first place.
[08:44] <Kira> Does Ubuntu have problems with Pentium 4 HT in general?
[08:44] <Patrik88> Package zlib1g-dev has no installation candidate, <-- error, anyone, whats wrong??
[08:44] <foxgamer> GreatBriton: There is a program called wifi radar. This will pick up your wireless network if it is compatible.
[08:44] <nderjm> Anyone having a weird screen wrapping problem with breezy final?
[08:45] <nderjm> My Menu has wrapped to the bottom, all of the screen for that matter has wrapped to the bottom
[08:45] <Lars_G> !mirrors
[08:45] <ubotu> mirrors is, like, totally, repository mirrors can be found through http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[08:45] <nalioth> Kira: not that we've heard of
[08:46] <murre> hi
[08:46] <murre> wazzup?
[08:46] <murre> got 5.10 installed a few hours ago
[08:46] <BOB1234> rob_p i got another comp
[08:46] <murre> works like a charm
[08:46] <mypapit> murre: hooray
[08:46] <GreatBriton> i know my card is using a Ralink rt2500 chipset
[08:47] <GreatBriton> can someone guide me (slowly) through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Rt2500WirelessCardsHowTo ?
[08:47] <rob_p> BOB1234:  Ok.  So boot up the Linux box and let's check a few things.
[08:48] <BOB1234> k
[08:48] <dash> anybody ever seen gksudo prompt on stdout rather than in a dialog box?
[08:49] <tristanmike> GreatBriton, ok, what's the trouble?
[08:49] <tankenmate> greetings!
[08:49] <eyequeue> off to do an install, have fun all
[08:49] <JairunCaloth> I think I'm going to wait to upgrade, till the activity on the servers dies down some
[08:50] <Sarkie> hi
[08:50] <pinucset> hi
[08:50] <Sarkie> was going to come in and ask about updates, but the topic says it all
[08:50] <John64> how do i use apt
[08:50] <BOB1234> rob_p ok im in what should i do first try to open network-admin ?
[08:51] <tankenmate> anyone had any problems with the stock amd64 install kernel? I'm have weird oops'es in memremap(). I've run memtest86 for 6 hours, and only one random glitch, but then kernel crashes everytime, a weird heisen / bohr bug combination...
[08:51] <nalioth> ubotu: tell John64 about apt-get
[08:51] <dash> John64: try synaptic first maybe? it is a little more friendly :)
[08:51] <Sarkie> !apt-get
[08:51] <ubotu> it has been said that apt-get is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[08:51] <Dekkard> opinion.. is breezy snappier?
[08:51] <zcat[1] > gah!! left bittorrent running overnight, seems I've uploaded about 7G .. oops!
[08:51] <JairunCaloth> BTW, for some of those who are asking. I'm useing a brand new hory install, and after doing apt-get update it says there are 441 updates avalible
[08:51] <John64> thanks
[08:51] <dash> Dekkard: it has 23.7% more snaps
[08:51] <Sarkie> hory??
[08:51] <nalioth> John64: ubotu msgd you
[08:51] <dimm> I've got a strange problem
[08:51] <tankenmate> dash: :P
[08:51] <JairunCaloth> I switched to the breezy repositories
[08:51] <Dekkard> mmm.. snaps..delicious
[08:52] <shadeofgrey> could someone please take a minutre and direct me to a website or ubuntu support page that details how to download the full official versions of ubuntuy 5.10 in both the gnome and kde verssions?
[08:52] <zcat[1] > Dekkard: feels that way to me, when I was running the preview
[08:52] <GNAM> what's your favourite breezy bug?
[08:52] <dimm> when I download files from ftp, the directory permissions are set so that no one can browse them, not even the owner
[08:52] <dash> JairunCaloth: pretty much has updated since hoary was released
[08:52] <tankenmate> mmm cadbury snaps! peppermint even! i'll take 3!!
[08:52] <Sarkie> dimm, the topic?
[08:52] <rob_p> BOB1234:  Let's look at your /etc/network/interfaces file.
[08:52] <Dekkard> the preview.. that i dist upgraded puked my shytstem.. i reinstalled hoary yesterday..(LAFF) and upgraded from the cd today
[08:52] <nalioth> shadeofgrey: you'll have to d/l 2 iso images for both of them
[08:52] <JairunCaloth> someone was asking earlier how many packages the breezy upgrade was
[08:53] <AbstracTus> shadeofgrey: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/
[08:53] <dash> JairunCaloth: ah. well yeah, that's quite a few... did that include universe packages?
[08:53] <tankenmate> [RFC]  anyone had any problems with the stock amd64 install kernel? I'm have weird oops'es in memremap(). I've run memtest86 for 6 hours, and only one random glitch, but then kernel crashes everytime, a weird heisen / bohr bug combination...
[08:53] <GNULinuxer> it says i need to install ubuntu-base & ubuntu-desktop to avoid any upgrade issues. do i install them from the hoary repos or breezy repos? i mean do i do it before the actual dist-upgrade?
[08:53] <USUARI> ola
[08:53] <USUARI> ai alguien ai?
[08:53] <John64> ok, my problem was that i was using aptget not apt-get.  What is an example for installing say, firefox
[08:53] <JairunCaloth> dash: I belive so....
[08:53] <nalioth> !es
[08:53] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[08:53] <shadeofgrey> ps...  -- If Im already running breezy - the preview release - should i just  use the ubuntu update manager to get my system up to the stable build or should i just say screw it and do fresh installs?  Because currently i have things on this system that are very broken
[08:53] <USUARI> oooooolllllllaaaa
[08:53] <dash> shadeofgrey: broken how?
[08:54] <USUARI> ai alguien que sepa hablaespaol???????
[08:54] <rob_p> BOB1234:  How many network interfaces do you have in that box?
[08:54] <Sarkie> shadeofgrey, the topic
[08:54] <USUARI> whats your name?
[08:54] <nalioth> GNULinuxer: just change your sources.list to breezy and upgrade, that ubuntu-base thing is old
[08:54] <nalioth> USUARI: hablamos en #ubuntu-es, por favor
[08:54] <USUARI> ok
[08:54] <tankenmate> rep: hows it?
[08:54] <GNULinuxer> nalioth: that instruction is deprecated?
[08:54] <shadeofgrey> dash:  every time i boot i get font errors, and my mplayer installation is fubared
[08:55] <USUARI> olle comop te llamas?+
[08:55] <USUARI> ooooooooooooooollllllllllaaaaaaaaaa
[08:55] <USUARI> ai alguien ai?
[08:55] <tankenmate> !boot USUARI
[08:55] <ubotu> tankenmate: What?
[08:55] <USUARI> que sepa hablar espaol?
[08:55] <shadeofgrey> sarkie:  well, all i really want to know is how to get the iso's i seek using bittorrent...  i undersstand that its way faster than an ftp download i just have never figured out the animal known as bittorent
[08:55] <tankenmate> oh well :)
[08:55] <dash> nalioth: nice!
[08:55] <dash> stealth ninja kick
[08:56] <Sarkie> shadeofgrey, you need a bittorrent client then a torrent file then its good to go
[08:56] <concept10> im mad, I cant even get downloads to start
[08:56] <shadeofgrey> where do i get the bittrornt files from?  i alreadyt have the client installed
[08:56] <GNULinuxer> nalioth: did you kick him?
[08:56] <Madeye> guys, how to open .dmg archive on ubuntu ?
[08:56] <nalioth> GNULinuxer: kick who?
[08:56] <SupIAmMike> shadeofgrey, go to one of the mirrors
[08:56] <SupIAmMike> they have it there
[08:56] <GNULinuxer> nalioth: USUARI
[08:56] <SupIAmMike> i tried "rest of world" because United states takes too long
[08:56] <nalioth> Madeye: you need a perl script called "dmg2iso" i believe google can point it out to you
[08:57] <SupIAmMike> i am downloading 329kB/s
[08:57] <nalioth> GNULinuxer: he is not here
[08:57] <saik0> probably should have redirected him to the spanish ubuntu irc channel
[08:57] <GNULinuxer> nalioth: hehe, but you did something to him ;)
[08:57] <Patrik88> how do i stop my laptop from going to some form of "hybernation" when i close the lid??
[08:57] <nalioth> saik0: he WAS directed to the spanish ubuntu channel
[08:57] <BOB1234> rob_p I have 1 network interface - just the wireless
[08:57] <tankenmate> saik0: he did!
[08:57] <mohkohn> I am patient but I want it now!
[08:57] <saik0> nalioth: oh. I just got here. What I mwant to say was. Good Job nalioth
[08:57] <GNULinuxer> nalioth: [OT]  what's the command to redirect somebody to another channel?
[08:58] <rob_p> BOB1234:  What chipset?
[08:58] <tankenmate> !es
[08:58] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[08:58] <tankenmate> GNU: like that..
[08:58] <nalioth> GNULinuxer: /msg ubotu help
[08:58] <GNULinuxer> nalioth: ok, thanks
[08:58] <omer> Hello
[08:58] <BOB1234> rob_p : i think its atheros or however  u  say it
[08:59] <Patrik88> how do i stop my laptop from shutting down when i close the lid???
[08:59] <dash> Patrik88: hmm. that's pretty strange
[08:59] <felly> anyone know how to automount all smb shares in the workgroup?
[08:59] <tankenmate> nalioth: is there a channel where the S/N ratio is better?
[08:59] <omer> I have lap-top. I want to install on him ubuntu. The problem is win 98 and that the only way to boot is from HD.
[08:59] <Patrik88> dash: well it doesnt shut of but i cant get it back if i dont retart it
[09:00] <dash> Patrik88: i know the tricky way to do it, i don't know if there's a nice config interface :)
[09:00] <nalioth> tankenmate: how many languages do you speak?
[09:00] <Patrik88> *restart
[09:00] <omer> What can I do with vmlinuz?
[09:00] <dash> omer: can't boot from CD? or network?
[09:00] <tankenmate> nalioth: natural or programming? :)
[09:00] <Patrik88> dash: how?
[09:00] <rob_p> BOB1234:  Do a, "lspci -v" and it should show up in the list.  Once you know what card it is, you can then google for the chipset for your card.  We have to know what it is in order to know what driver to pursue installing.
[09:00] <dgoodwin_> Is it better to do a fresh install to upgrade to 5.10 or just use apt-get?
[09:00] <SupIAmMike> best way to upgrade is the have the breezy cds?
[09:00] <nalioth> tankenmate: there are several ubuntu human language channels
[09:00] <SupIAmMike> and do a synaptic upgrade?
[09:00] <nalioth> SupIAmMike: best way to upgrade is to us apt-get
[09:01] <nalioth> ubotu: tell SupIAmMike about upgrade2breezy
[09:01] <tankenmate> nalioth: english and japanese at a pinch.. :)
[09:01] <omer> The CD room don't work. I now how to boot from HD with grub. But I can I do it with DOS?
[09:01] <flora> i tried to upgrade via apt-get and it hosed my system
[09:01] <eracerbit> heheh
[09:01] <flora> gnome-volume manager crashed halfway through now it won't launch X
[09:01] <tankenmate> nalioth: i think a C language channel might be better on my brain though :)
[09:01] <nalioth> tankenmate: then #ubuntu-offtopic, #kubuntu, or #kubuntu-offtopic may offer less s/n
[09:01] <dash> omer: tricky. you may have to use loadlin or something. I don't know if the ubuntu install docs cover that, but the debian ones might
[09:01] <SupIAmMike> nalioth, i know but is it best to have the cd first so i can change my sources.list instead of downloading from the packages from their mirrors
[09:01] <Patrik88> dash: brb
[09:02] <GNULinuxer> nalioth: dist-upgrade is holding back  libglibmm-2.4-dev libgtkmm-2.4-dev libphp-adodb libsigc++-2.0-dev ... what to do?
[09:02] <tankenmate> nalioth: thanks.. many kernel hackers ahng out on any of the above?
[09:02] <Chadza> What's a good prog for taking a ss of a x session?
[09:02] <dgoodwin_> I guess I will have to back up all my data to dvd and then fresh install to 5.10
[09:02] <dash> omer: See if you can do a network boot with PXE or such
[09:02] <omer> I here about loadlin' but I can't downloading it. all I found to download is milo
[09:02] <omer> I have suse here
[09:02] <jas_> Is there anyway to mount an ISO or something like that without a program?
[09:02] <nalioth> SupIAmMike: it is best to use the network and apt get. you change the sources.list on your machine yourself
[09:02] <zcat[1] > jas_ mount -o loop
[09:02] <nalioth> tankenmate: #ubuntu-devel
[09:02] <dgoodwin_> Will that cause broken dependancies?
[09:03] <nalioth> GNULinuxer: have you used any non ubuntu repos?
[09:03] <dgoodwin_> Yes
[09:03] <dgoodwin_> alot
[09:03] <SupIAmMike> nalioth, why is it better to change the sources.list to breezy from the internet instead of just using the breezy cd along with sources.list
[09:03] <nalioth> dgoodwin_: i missed your question. why will you have to fresh install?
[09:03] <Davey> did the US server go down? :/
[09:03] <SupIAmMike> are there new packages that are not on the cd? (other than in the universe)
[09:03] <omer> I think the BIOS don't let network boot.
[09:03] <nalioth> SupIAmMike: the cd is more to download
[09:03] <tankenmate> CHadza: xwd :)
[09:03] <omer> I very old one
[09:03] <dgoodwin_> I want to upgrade to 5.10
[09:03] <omer> *it
[09:03] <Chadza> tankenmate: Thanks, lemme check it out.
[09:03] <SupIAmMike> nalioth, but the cd is faster to download
[09:04] <tankenmate> nalioth: thanks!
[09:04] <GNULinuxer> nalioth: i guess so ... i am purging them anyway as they don't have any deps
[09:04] <SupIAmMike> nalioth, - i am using bit torrent so my speeds are going faster
[09:04] <tankenmate> Chadza: you'll need xwud to convert it to a useful format..
[09:04] <SupIAmMike> no way would i be going 367 from the mirrors right now
[09:04] <Davey> can I use the EU or other mirrors to get the last 60-odd MB I need
[09:04] <dgoodwin_> When will the pressed cd's ship?
[09:04] <foxgamer> I know that nalioth mentioned the due to high usage, updates might be a problem, but my system is actually registering updates, getting details of what updates are needed, but then when I hit upgrade, I get a message that the locations don't exist. Any ideas?
[09:04] <tankenmate> Chadza: just run it from a script in the back ground and print the root window..
[09:04] <tankenmate> wave
[09:04] <nalioth> SupIAmMike: as you wish. i think you'll be upgrading after the install, anyway, so why not let apt-get do it in the first place?
[09:05] <nalioth> foxgamer: massive server usage
[09:05] <dash> Patrik88: the main thing to look at, i think, is /etc/acpi/lid.sh
[09:05] <AlexBO88> HELLO!How can I backup all my themes?Have I to backup the directory ~/.themes ?
[09:05] <Sarkie> anyone got PhpMyAdmin working??
[09:05] <foxgamer> so this would actually cause my problem? Cool. I'll wait for a few hours ;)
[09:05] <dash> Patrik88: the standard ubuntu one just locks the screensaver, i think
[09:05] <nalioth> SupIAmMike: change your sources.list as in the upgrade guide and then put your cd in and type "apt-cdrom" and follow the prompts
[09:06] <BOB1234> rob_p It says atheros next to the d-link device
[09:06] <saik0> ubotu: tell Sarkie about ask
[09:06] <dandelion> dash: it switches to a blank VT and locks the screen
[09:06] <Sarkie> ok
[09:06] <felly> where did the webcollage screensaver go?
[09:06] <rob_p> BOB1234:  Is it possibly a AR5004 design?  Is AR5004 listed in the output?
[09:06] <Sarkie> I have phpMyAdmin installed, i have changed blowfish password, yet it still asks for it
[09:06] <Chadza> How do I list processes in order to kill one?
[09:07] <Severian> Chadza,   try   ps aux
[09:07] <GNULinuxer> nalioth: why is the upgrade removing dbus-1, etc?
[09:07] <henryson> I get lots of "could not download all repository indexes since last install, anybody else having this problem?
[09:07] <Sarkie> Chadza, ps x
[09:07] <BOB1234> rob_p : AR5212 I see there
[09:07] <foxgamer> henryson: I am. It's server load rate - very busy at the mo. Just need to be patient
[09:08] <Severian> Chadza,   usually, I know I want the postfix program, so I do something like     ps aux | grep postfix
[09:08] <rob_p> BOB1234:  Ah, ok.  Let's see if Ubuntu loaded a driver for it.  Does iwconfig recognize your wireless card?
[09:08] <bam_> anyone know where I can find a short tutorial on installing kde
[09:08] <nicholaspaul> hi everyone.. i want to get to Hoary 5.10 but i'm want to know if it supports airport extreme - anyone know?
[09:09] <sexcopter8000m> hi there, are there any sample soucres.list files for things like universe and multiverse etc that i can copy from? i'm not on breezy
[09:09] <Chadza> Severian: Thanks for the pointer.
[09:09] <crimsun> !repos
[09:09] <ubotu> from memory, sources is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[09:09] <henryson> foxgamer: thx for the answer. I was sure it was my own fiddling around that screwed up the whole thing...
[09:09] <nalioth> GNULinuxer: it is unnecessary?
[09:09] <sexcopter8000m> for that matter, are tehre backport repositories?
[09:09] <Chadza> Sarkie, Severian : thanks
[09:09] <nicholaspaul> bam- you could try searching for HOWTO's in the forum. otherwise, it should be as easy as using synaptic
[09:09] <nalioth> sexcopter8000m: not yet
[09:09] <GNULinuxer> nalioth: ok, we have libdbus now :)
[09:09] <l0z3r> sexcopter8000m: go to ubuntuguide.org it has one
[09:09] <bam_> k
[09:09] <nicholaspaul> hi nalioth
[09:09] <Chadza> Anyone reccomend a gui file manager aside from konqueror or nautilus?
[09:09] <nalioth> nicholaspaul: howdy
[09:10] <seanism> hello
[09:10] <foxgamer> henryson: yeah. fiddling will do that too :) hopefully you still are using the same repo's
[09:10] <nalioth> l0z3r: please dont advise that
[09:10] <l0z3r> just click on "Add extra repositories"
[09:10] <l0z3r> why not?
[09:10] <BOB1234> rob_p: iwconfig didnt do anything
[09:10] <nicholaspaul> nalioth: do yoknow where i can find if my airport extreme is supported under 5.10 ?
[09:10] <nalioth> sexcopter8000m: stay away from the ubuntuguide. it is REALLY out of sync with breezy
[09:10] <nalioth> nicholaspaul: it is not
[09:10] <Loevborg> Chadza, krusader (albeit dependant on kde) is quite nice!
[09:10] <Echelon-H> im stuck with no fonts because the upgrade process has gone wrong.
[09:10] <seanism> us.archive.ubuntu.com , is that down
[09:10] <l0z3r> I thought he said he wasn't on brezy
[09:10] <olicat> hi all. does anyone know much about inkscape? i'm trying to draw a box with 1 rounded corner, and the rest normal
[09:10] <nicholaspaul> doh :) nalioth; thanks! how is it in 5.04?
[09:10] <Echelon-H> and can't update now >_<
[09:10] <nalioth> nicholaspaul: APX is a broadcom chipset, and broadcom hasnt released any drivers to OSS
[09:10] <crimsun> seanism: topic.
[09:11] <crimsun> seanism: please use a mirror: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[09:11] <seanism> Oo
[09:11] <nicholaspaul> nalioth: for some reason i thot that had been resolved. So i'm still hooped?
[09:11] <seanism> ty crimsun
[09:11] <nalioth> nicholaspaul: either use a cat6 cable or a supported wifi usb dongle
[09:11] <ando> ciao
[09:11] <auk> heya oak__
[09:12] <ivar> woo..the breezy upgrade I started 5.5 hours ago just finished downloading the packages from the repository
[09:12] <nicholaspaul> nalioth: i can share from my i386 ubuntu??
[09:12] <ando> qualcuno mi potrebbe dare una mano?
[09:12] <henryson> foxgamer: some works, so i hope so... i'll check if it works tomorrow, otherwise they're readily availible on the net...
[09:12] <nalioth> nicholaspaul: yes you can
[09:12] <nalioth> nicholaspaul: as long as your x86 box sees internet
[09:12] <larsrohdin> If I want to mount a fat-partition in fstab, what should i write to give full access to it? I know the rest...
[09:12] <ando>  da poco che utilizzo linux
[09:12] <nicholaspaul> nalioth: cool... from there should kubuntu work ? I was thinking it was a distro issue..
[09:12] <rob_p> BOB1234:  Yeah.  I thought that would be the case.  Your card appears to be of the Broadcom family.  Unfortunately that has very limited support on Linux.  I suspect because of the manufacturer being closed with their hardware info.  Makes it tough to write drivers for things without having to reverse engineer them.
[09:12] <ando> chi mi sa dire come installare dei codec audio e video
[09:12] <nalioth> ando: italiano?
[09:12] <ando> ?
[09:12] <ando> si italino
[09:13] <nalioth> !ita
[09:13] <ubotu> hmm... ita is italiano es #ubuntu-it per favore, andiamo! Grazi ... prego! :-)
[09:13] <concept10> the channel is wild today.
[09:13] <BOB1234> rob_p so am I t3h screwdzores?
[09:13] <nicholaspaul> crazy!!
[09:13] <larsrohdin> concept10, word =D
[09:13] <tucoz> I am having font issues with emacs. I can not figure out how to get it working. Only the one I set in .Xdefault is working. The others show up as boxes.
[09:13] <nalioth> nicholaspaul: (x)(k)ubuntu are the same critter
[09:13] <nicholaspaul> nalioth: just a different desktop, right?
[09:13] <tristanmike> nalioth, you forgot (ed)
[09:13] <nalioth> nicholaspaul: correct
[09:13] <tristanmike> :
[09:13] <concept10> nalioth has his hands full :)
[09:13] <martin> There were no decoders found to handle the stream, you might need to install the corresponding plugins
[09:13] <rob_p> BOB1234:  Well, I'd do some googling and see if maybe ndiswrapper can be used.
[09:13] <tankenmate> nalioth: hmmm on kernel hackers about.. i have one last avenue to become a ubuntu convert.. have you ever done a debian -> ubuntu cross dist upgrade?
[09:13] <nalioth> tristanmike: edu is gnome based iirc
[09:14] <nicholaspaul> nalioth:gotcha. I have all three on this i386 and they work fine. Thats good to know.
[09:14] <tankenmate> nalioth: s/on/no/
[09:14] <martin> What's the best support channel?
[09:14] <nicholaspaul> nalioth: where do i go to 'share' ?
[09:14] <nalioth> tankenmate: have you asked that in #ubuntu-devel?
[09:14] <BOB1234> But WTF!!! the network admin detected my wireless only thing is it keeps freaking LOCKING UP when I try to edit the properties
[09:14] <Loevborg> Anyone know an ETA for a breezy-extras repository?
[09:14] <tristanmike> nalioth, so xubuntu is xkubuntu too?
[09:14] <Chadza> tankenmate: Can you explain a bit more on xwd and xwud?
[09:14] <nalioth> nicholaspaul: you'll need a dhcp server
[09:14] <rob_p> BOB1234:  I suspect that it's locking up because it can't load a driver for it.
[09:14] <tankenmate> nalioth: they seem far more concerned about making a mirror  topo map :)
[09:15] <nalioth> tristanmike: xubuntu is xfce4 + ubuntu
[09:15] <sorush20> why can't I send privet messages
[09:15] <tristanmike> nalioth, ok, I understood that, but that means it's not gnome?
[09:15] <nicholaspaul> tristanmike. you can EVEN install all three on one machine, and choose which desktop you need :) s'nice!
[09:15] <nalioth> sorush20: b/c you aren't registered/identified
[09:15] <jas_> Is there and programs to emulate a cd drive or a dvd drive kinda like Daemon Tools for Linux?
[09:15] <BOB1234> so I guess im never going to get to use linux
[09:15] <nalioth> tristanmike: it is NOT gnome, it's XFCE4
[09:15] <saik0> jas_ you can mount an ISO
[09:15] <ivar> jas_, you can mount a file..
[09:16] <jas_> I tried it..
[09:16] <tristanmike> nalioth, lol, ok, I see you're point now, sorry to be so dumb :P
[09:16] <jas_> I was told mount -o loop and it just brought me to all this stuff I couldn't understand
[09:16] <sorush20> does any one here know of a univeristy in UK that uses open source software.. or not?
[09:16] <Rubin> any suggestion on an alternate mirror for upgrading?
[09:16] <rob_p> BOB1234:  You're better off editing your /etc/network/interfaces file and disabling your wireless configuration until you can figure out the driver issue.  That will probably keep network-admin from locking up.
[09:16] <GreatBriton> tristanmike: the make failed
[09:16] <nalioth> Rubin: all mirrors are swamped atm
[09:17] <nicholaspaul> nalioth: thx for your help.
[09:17] <nalioth> nicholaspaul: np, join ##apple next time
[09:17] <tristanmike> GreatBriton, did you install gcc-3.4?
[09:17] <jas_> saik0 How do I mount an ISO?
[09:17] <humbolt> how can I find the fastest mirror from my location? does netselect work with ubuntu, or will it configure debian mirrors as mentioned in the package description?
[09:17] <GreatBriton> tristanmike: yeah, i think so
[09:18] <Blippe> does't nautilus have a script for mounting isos?
[09:18] <Rubin> i cant even get the mirrors wiki to load
[09:18] <Rubin> next version needs bt based apt-get :)
[09:18] <nicholaspaul> nalioth: ok, ##apple it is :)
[09:18] <nicholaspaul> later!!
[09:18] <jas_> ivar How do you mount a file?
[09:18] <tristanmike> GreatBriton, there is a not about that at the very bottom of the page, hmm, not too sure, someone else may have done it
[09:18] <[DV] -breezy> Once I run apt-get upgrade on my 2 weeks old breezy install, I guess I'll be up2date with the current release?
[09:18] <saik0> jas_: lol...mount -o loop -t iso9660 filename.iso /wherver/you/want
[09:18] <tristanmike> not = note
[09:19] <GreatBriton> oh, i'll go look
[09:19] <ivar> jas_, saik0 's gotcha covered :)
[09:19] <nalioth> [DV] -breezy: yes
[09:19] <jas_> saik0 Thanks
[09:19] <duncan_nz1> #gnomemeeting
[09:19] <duncan_nz1> oops
[09:19] <FliesLikeABrick> I'm having a problem getting passive ftp to work with vsftpd.  I have ports 50000-50100 opened for passive connections, and vsftpd knows those ports are opened.  passive is enabled, and my clients are trying to connect as passive but fail.  I had ftp working with proftpd but needed vsftpd for other reasons.
[09:19] <bam_> searched for install kde, in howto, no find, anyone
[09:19] <duncan_nz1> anyone here use gnome meeting?
[09:20] <duncan_nz1> kde - yeah I couldn't find it either!
[09:20] <topyli> bam_: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:20] <bam_> ok
[09:20] <GreatBriton> tristanmike: /j #lugradio
[09:20] <something_else> this is pissing me off
[09:20] <lampshade> hi peeps
[09:20] <davro> does the kbuntu desktop install as seperate wm or over gnome ?
[09:20] <JairunCaloth> Ok, doing a dist-upgrade on my box
[09:21] <lampshade> how are the first 24 hrs of the official breezy going?
[09:21] <linuxamoeba21> hey all... how do i upgrade from 5.04 to 5.10 now that its out
[09:21] <something_else> does automount work for large external usb hddisks on 5.10
[09:21] <Howdy125> duncan_nzl .. is it locking up your computer ?
[09:21] <topyli> davro: you can choose your desktop when you log in
[09:21] <duncan_nz1> linuxamoeba, put the cd in and see what happens
[09:21] <nalioth> ubotu: tell linuxamoeba21 about upgrade2breezy'
[09:21] <something_else> it worked for 5.04
[09:21] <bam_> topyli, this will allow me to go back and forth from gnome to kde right?
[09:21] <something_else> why not 5.10
[09:21] <nalioth> ubotu: tell linuxamoeba21 about upgrade2breezy
[09:21] <topyli> bam_: yes
[09:21] <duncan_nz1> howdy - gnomemeeting? no.
[09:21] <K-Rich> so does the usual apt-get dist-upgrade work to move to breezy? or is that buggy this time around as well ?
[09:22] <linuxamoeba21> rockin'. is it working okay and all
[09:22] <something_else> does automount work for large external usb hddisks on 5.10
[09:22] <nalioth> bam_: yes, and you can install xubuntu-desktop if you want an xfce4 desktop
[09:22] <something_else> it worked for 5.04
[09:22] <duncan_nz1> I upgraded just by putting in the cd under 5.04 and following the instructions.
[09:22] <something_else> why not 5.10
[09:22] <nalioth> K-Rich: it works fine
[09:22] <bam_> cool
[09:22] <lampshade> Out of pure curiosity, anyone running ubuntu with something like Enlightenment?
[09:22] <topyli> K-Rich: i don't know when it was buggy, but has worked well for years on debian and now on ubuntu
[09:22] <something_else> I did a clean install, mine needed one :|
[09:22] <jfarrell> hey all can anyone point me to a link about upgrading from hoary to badger??
[09:22] <K-Rich> topyli: from warty to hoary was buggy
[09:23] <something_else> but why the f' doesnt large external usb hdd automount
[09:23] <topyli> K-Rich: i never noticed :)
[09:23] <fx^> I have some problems with my NVidia Geforce 2 MX, I have tried most everything the guides says but can't get any GL stuff to work
[09:23] <rob_p> BOB1234:  I'm certainly not suggesting that you give up!  Chances are, you might get at least some basic functionality from your card by looking into alternatives such as ndiswrapper or some other open source driver alternative for it.  Look into ndiswrapper and madwifi http://sourceforge.net/projects/madwifi/ and hopefully your card can be made to work... somewhat.  Good luck!
[09:23] <something_else> people doest ati new drivers work?
[09:23] <lampshade> ubotu: tell jfarrell about upgrade2breey
[09:23] <lampshade> ubotu: tell jfarrell about upgrade2breezy
[09:23] <something_else> arrggghh
[09:24] <jfarrell> thank you
[09:24] <nderjm> Are there issues with new ATI drivers?
[09:24] <jas_> saik0 I tried that and it didn't work
[09:24] <lampshade> something_else:  I have heard that the new ATI drivers are better
[09:24] <sloncho> hi guys. i try to install 5.10 in a VirtualPC. The installer fails with kernel panic >Kernel panic - not syncing. Any ideas? I did not find anything on google and the lists
[09:24] <topyli> lampshade: i used to run E16 for years and loved it, on debian and mandrake. are you talking about that or E17?
[09:24] <lampshade> than the old ones, but I personally have not tried
[09:24] <something_else> lampshade, Im sure they are, but do they install on breezy?
[09:24] <dreameen> why is the download link for the new ubuntu not working?
[09:24] <something_else> I mean large usb external hdd doesnt automount on breezy
[09:24] <linuxamoeba21> ati for me = 0.7 fps in gl screensavers
[09:24] <crimsun> dreameen: /topic
[09:24] <nalioth> dreameen: millions of people are d/l?
[09:25] <saik0> jas_: is it an ISO?
[09:25] <something_else> these millions are late, I got brilliant speeds last night
[09:25] <jas_> saik0 Yes
[09:25] <lampshade> topyli:  mmm any really.  I was just curious.  I tend to not see a lot of people that aren't running something like gentoo running E.  Is E17 in the repos for breezy?  I doubt it would be but?
[09:25] <something_else> Im gonna kill someone
[09:25] <dandelion> 500KB/s right now from the free.fr mirror
[09:25] <dreameen> the main repos are not working either
[09:25] <something_else> where can I get mono on breezy?
[09:25] <miksu> ubuntu had some problems with apt-get upgrade with the fi-archive.ubuntu.com server. relevant?
[09:25] <saik0> jas_:  were you in the same directory?
[09:25] <crimsun> dreameen: read. the. topic.
[09:26] <nalioth> miksu: see /topic
[09:26] <nalioth> miksu: millions of people are upgrading atm
[09:26] <Laforge38> Anyone know where to get the bcmwl5a.inf and .sys file?
[09:26] <topyli> lampshade: it's not in the standard ubuntu repositories. you'll have to do some more work. E16 is there of course
[09:26] <something_else> nalioth, you are dead
[09:26] <nderjm> I'm getting a weird screen wrapping problem on an Omnibook 900.  The to of the screen wraps to the bottom of the monitor
[09:26] <jas_> saik0 Do you mean was I trying to install to the same directory?
[09:26] <dreameen> the best thing would be if the new release was available through bittorent network
[09:26] <jas_> saik0 or rather was I trying to mount it in the same directory
[09:26] <crimsun> dreameen: it is.
[09:26] <linuxamoeba21> where's the conf file for synaptic repos?
[09:27] <dreameen> crimsun, link?
[09:27] <crimsun> dreameen: did you read the topic at all?
[09:27] <nalioth> dreameen: it is available as a torrent
[09:27] <humbolt> Where can I find a list of ubuntu mirrors that mirror the actual packages not just the release images?
[09:27] <saik0> jas_: when you tred to mount it, was the image in the same directory ther terminal was in?
[09:27] <lampshade> topyli:  Oh, I wasn't even planning on doing it right now.  Was just curious.
[09:27] <jas_> saik0 Yes
[09:27] <crimsun> humbolt: read the topic.
[09:28] <foxgamer> I'm in and installing! yay!
[09:28] <saik0> jas_: I'm afraid I dont know why it would'nt work then. Sorry.
[09:28] <JairunCaloth> this is going to take a while....
[09:28] <something_else> why does usplash look so fuzzy?
[09:28] <jas_> crimsun You helped me last night do you think you could help me?
[09:28] <something_else> fuzzy is wrong word
[09:28] <something_else> blurry
[09:28] <pestilence> does a "0" in the "completed" column of http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ mean that nobody is seeding?
[09:28] <Seveas> something_else, that's called dithering :)
[09:28] <zukero> hey
[09:28] <lampshade> were there any other nix or bsd distros included by Google in their summer of code contest?  This interests me.  I know there were other open source projects like Gaim, but were there other distros?
[09:29] <something_else> well
[09:29] <topyli> lampshade: E17 seems to me a bit... uhh, ridiciously overdone and will never be ready. E16 was one of the best UIs ever, but gnome has gotten so good i just had to switch :)
[09:29] <crimsun> jas_: with?
[09:29] <miksu> upgrade download speec currently 30 kbs
[09:29] <something_else> surely it could look nicer
[09:29] <pestilence> i'm getting 0B/s on the breezy dvd-i386 torrent
[09:29] <zukero> where can i tell ubuntu to launch something else instead of gdm ?
[09:29] <WildZeck> hi all
[09:29] <vengeful> pestilence, slow down..save some for other people
[09:29] <jas_> crimsun I am trying to mount this .iso and for some reason it won't mount correctly
[09:29] <martin> what's the best way to get totem playing mpg/avi/asf/wma...
[09:29] <Howdy125> dreameen http://releases.ubuntu.com/5.10/ubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso.torrent
[09:29] <pestilence> vengeful, i'll try.
[09:29] <something_else> I really wouldnt be bothered, but just external usb hdd doesnt automount when it did on 5.04
[09:29] <something_else> grrrr
[09:30] <sloncho> someone succeeded to install on VirtualPC?
[09:30] <vengeful> suckers.....i installed a week ago and just kept patching hehe
[09:30] <pestilence> i've upped 4 gigs so far on this torrent, only downloaded 660 megs :-(
[09:30] <padmawan> martin: apt-get install totem-xine
[09:30] <gigaclon> whats the package name for gtk 2.xx
[09:30] <something_else> do an apt-cache search
[09:30] <linuxamoeba21> it's not clear in the BreezyUpgrade file on the wiki... should i change every instance of "hoary" in my repos to "breezy" ?
[09:31] <foxgamer> pestilence: Bear with it. Quite a lot of people have started with really slow downloads then it rockets up :)
[09:31] <saik0> has anyone had good experices with pitfdll in breezy?
[09:31] <something_else> seriously these default themes look ugly
[09:31] <pestilence> foxgamer, if nobody is seeding, it will never rocket up...
[09:31] <something_else> I created a metacity theme once, which Ive never changed
[09:31] <Major_Stitch> umm, sorry but does anybody know does Ubuntu support Ericsson hmd220 adsl modem, its ethernet and i'd like to buy it and would like to know if it'd work?
[09:31] <something_else> I should perhaps add it to gnome-look
[09:31] <ktogias_> Hi, I downloaded the breezy installation x86 disk. I inserted it into my running hoary and synaptic was offered to update my system from it. I sayed yes and sat comfortably. But after a while synaptic died as it was updating some gnome packages... Any way I contnue through console... But should this happen?
[09:31] <pestilence> foxgamer, besides, i thought this was the entire reason for using bittorrent
[09:31] <crimsun> jas_: what syntax are you using?
[09:32] <zukero> where can i tell ubuntu to launch something else instead of gdm ?
[09:32] <pestilence> (the more downloaders=uploaders you have, the faster everyone gets it)
[09:32] <zcat[1] > hmm.. now I have the ISO's, it seems I have no blank CD's to burn them to.. time to go shopping :)
[09:32] <jas_> crimsun remember I am a younging Linux wise.  I don't exactly knows what syntax means.
[09:32] <Ti_Uhl> does anyone know why vlc uses old GTK widgets in breezy ? because the interface looks damn ugly like that :)
[09:32] <crimsun> jas_: what did you type in?
[09:32] <linuxamoeba21> it's not clear in the BreezyUpgrade file on the wiki... should i change every instance of "hoary" in my repos to "breezy" ?
[09:32] <nalioth> linuxamoeba21: in your sources.list, yes breezy for hoary
[09:33] <linuxamoeba21> thanks
[09:33] <crimsun> Ti_Uhl: I reverted it because wxwidgets2.6 has broken UTF-8 parsing, which means you couldn't/can't load any files from the filesystem using the playlist interface.
[09:33] <foxgamer> pestilence: I would help if I could :(
[09:33] <hamilton> i'm downloading the amd64 dvd through bittorrent and i'm stuck at 103 MB
[09:33] <ivar> from the ubuntu wiki - It is recommended that you have the "ubuntu-desktop" metapackage installed..  but when I try to install it I get a huge list of unmet dependencies
[09:33] <Ti_Uhl> crimsun : but it worked just fine in hoary ?
[09:33] <pestilence> it doesn't seem the dvd torrents are very popular right now.
[09:33] <jas_> crimsun oh 'mount -o loop -t iso9660 filename.iso /wherever/you/want' that was the command I was given
[09:33] <Ti_Uhl> crimsun : anyway np i'll just wait untill it's fixed then :)
[09:33] <nalioth> ivar: it doesnt matter, if you can use the console. do you have any non official repos in your sources.list?
[09:33] <andred> Firefox doesn't remember its window position between launches with Breezy. I'm pretty sure it did that with Hoary. Anyone know if that's a known bug?
[09:34] <zcat[1] > ivar: Yeah, that's all it is.. A huge list of dependencies so that all the usual desktop stuff gets installed
[09:34] <crimsun> Ti_Uhl: hoary has wxwidgets2.5.3, not wxwidgets2.6.1.1
[09:34] <hamilton> i think the dvd links are missing from one of the download pages
[09:34] <ivar> nalioth, nope, i nuked everything nonubuntu for the upgrade..
[09:34] <Ti_Uhl> and could it be that the http repository's are pretty busy or something ? because they are very slow here
[09:34] <topyli> zukero: you mean another login manager? you can install kdm or xdm for example, and choose one by doing "update-alternatives x-session-manager"
[09:34] <crimsun> Ti_Uhl: we're not "fixing" it in Breezy. We'll look at other options for Dapper.
[09:34] <ivar> zcat[1] , the prob is that the list of dependancies isn't met (from what I can tell)
[09:34] <crimsun> Ti_Uhl: and read the topic.
[09:35] <K-Rich> i'm gonna wait a day or 2 before i upgrade... too slow now
[09:35] <nalioth> ivar: but if you've used them in the past, the pkgs are still being used on your system
[09:35] <Ti_Uhl> hehe K thx :)
[09:35] <zcat[1] > ivar: hmm.. sort out your repos?
[09:35] <crimsun> K-Rich: use a mirror
[09:35] <K-Rich> can't even connect to download the iso
[09:35] <Ti_Uhl> guess a lot of users are doing the same as i am :)
[09:35] <jas_> crimsun 'mount -o loop -t iso9660 filename.iso /wherever/you/want' that was the command I was given.
[09:36] <miksu> is it really true that an upgraded 5.10 preview IS COMPLETELY 5.10 final
[09:36] <K-Rich> crimsun: tried both US mirrors
[09:36] <something_else> yes
[09:36] <topyli> miksu: yes
[09:36] <nalioth> miksu: if you watch your gnome desktop and upgrade when prompted, you will stay up to date
[09:36] <crimsun> K-Rich: the world is a lot larger than just the USA.
[09:36] <ivar> nalioth, true.. i 'm running  `apt-get -f install' to correct these.. dpkg seems to be very busy as a result
[09:36] <linuxamoeba21> i changed every hoary to a breezy in sources.list, and now synaptic says it can't stat a bunch of sources
[09:36] <pder> I TRY THE UBUNTU AND IT ARE CRAP
[09:36] <K-Rich> crimsun: i know lol
[09:36] <crimsun> jas_: ''sudo modprobe loop'' first
[09:37] <nalioth> ivar: if at the least you can upgrade and install ubuntu-desktop on the other side of the upgrade
[09:37] <Chousuke> pder: So's your English and manners. Now shoo.
[09:37] <dario__> dasd
[09:37] <NoUse> pder you should ask for your money back
[09:37] <sloncho> guys, pls help. the installer fails on VirtualPC with kernel errors. I did not find any hint on google or ubunto site/lists/wiki
[09:37] <vengeful> nalioth, kick pder in the head will you
[09:37] <zukero> topyli, i installed Entrance already, but i want it to be launched instead of gdm :)
[09:37] <Major_Stitch> umm, sorry but does anybody know does Ubuntu support Ericsson hmd220 adsl modem, its ethernet and i'd like to buy it and would like to know if it'd work?
[09:37] <saik0> Chousuke: Now go away before I taunt you a second time ;D
[09:37] <crimsun> Major_Stitch: is it a direct ethernet interface to the pc?
[09:37] <ompaul> pder, have a really nice day, somewhere else
[09:37] <topyli> zukero: so, use the alternatives system
[09:37] <pder> UBUNTU ARE NOT RUN ON COMPUTER SYSTEM.  IT ARE FOR DUMMY HEAD.
[09:38] <zukero> ok
[09:38] <linuxamoeba21> Major_Stitch, check the linux HCL at http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/index.php
[09:38] <ivar> nalioth, ok.. i've just gone through the upgrade.. (5 hrs of downloading at 15kbps) so now I'm trying to do the 'ubuntu-desktop'.
[09:38] <K-Rich> i only find an rd dvd iso :/
[09:38] <K-Rich> s/rd/rc
[09:38] <jas_> crimsun So I 'sudo modprobe loop' then i 'mount -o loop -t iso9660 filename.iso /wherever/you/want'
[09:38] <topyli> zukero: if you installed an ubuntu or debian package
[09:38] <Major_Stitch> thank you linuxamoeba
[09:38] <linuxamoeba21> i changed every hoary to a breezy in sources.list, and now synaptic says it can't stat a bunch of sources. any ideas?
[09:38] <crimsun> K-Rich: the dvd image is still syncing
[09:38] <pestilence> K-Rich, it's available on http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[09:38] <pestilence> crimsun, does that mean the image on the tracker isn't a final one?
[09:38] <crimsun> jas_: yes
[09:38] <something_else> I never get pissed off, today Im bloody pissed off
[09:38] <XsXs> anyone know of any automotive forums? im looking for a dipstick that i need and cant find it anywere online or offline...
[09:38] <saik0> jas_: sudo mount
[09:39] <nalioth> vengeful: one line of opinion is not a bad thing, but repetitive offtopic yakking is
[09:39] <Chousuke> saik0: Am I missing a joke? :P
[09:39] <crimsun> pestilence: it's final
[09:39] <syntaxerror64> hi nalioth
[09:39] <pestilence> crimsun, cool, thanks.
[09:39] <nalioth> kronus: get the ubuntu-5.10-install-XXX.iso
[09:39] <miksu> linuxamoeba : in consol 1. sudo apt-get upgrade 2. sudo dist-upgrade . i find it much more convenient
[09:39] <vengeful> well as the old saying goes....opinions are like arseholes
[09:39] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: howdy ltns
[09:39] <saik0> Chouske: Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail refernece
[09:39] <Tyler> how come i cant do fglrxconfig? it says it wasnt found but i installed the ati drivers
[09:39] <linuxamoeba21> ok thanks
[09:39] <miksu> sorry 2. sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:39] <vengeful> this channel certainly is busy today ;-)
[09:39] <Chousuke> saik0: Ah. I should see those movies.
[09:39] <jas_> crimsun Still no dice.  Maybe I'm cursed....
[09:39] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, i just downloaded and installed ubuntu 5.10
[09:40] <saik0> Chouske: everybody should, not just you
[09:40] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: how do you like it?
[09:40] <crimsun> jas_: strace it and post the output somewhere.
[09:40] <martin> apt-get update is hanging... Is this an availability issue?
[09:40] <occy> crimsun, breezy++
[09:40] <DonTodd> anybody here use gnome-launch-box?
[09:40] <crimsun> jas_: what actual error message are you getting?
[09:40] <crimsun> occy: indeed
[09:40] <hamilton> Tyler: install fglrx-control and xorg-driver-fglrx
[09:40] <occy> crimsun, no issues at all this time.
[09:40] <linuxamoeba21> miksu... isnt that two 'sudo apt-get upgrade' s?
[09:40] <crimsun> excellent
[09:40] <occy> crimsun, not 1!
[09:40] <Davey> man, 64% of the last 68MB done!
[09:40] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, i just got to the desktop about 2 mins ago, the setup was a lot nicer i thought
[09:40] <crimsun> martin: see the topic
[09:40] <daan> martin: it will download, just be patient
[09:40] <pder> ubuntu is pretty good
[09:40] <miksu> amoeba sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:40] <Davey> c'mon dover, c'mon dover, move you're bloomin' arse!
[09:41] <Davey> erm, I mean, Ububtu :)
[09:41] <jas_> crimsun It goes to Usage: tells me how the commands work like mount -V then goes to explaining everything
[09:41] <zukero> topyli, http://pastebin.com/392630
[09:41] <Davey> Ubuntu too :)
[09:41] <jas_> crimsun THen at the end tells me For many more details, say man 8 mount
[09:41] <luis_> hi..need some help...when i try to download an iso file of ubuntu the md5sum test always fail..any suggestion?
[09:41] <davro> vengeful: might it be excuses are like arseholes everyones got one.
[09:41] <nalioth> luis_: get the torrent and fix it
[09:41] <crimsun> jas_: you have to sudo mount [...] , and the mount point must exist
[09:42] <glick> i upgraded to breezy and im a little dispointed
[09:42] <Chadza> glick: Why?
[09:42] <luis_> i also tried the torrent nailoth
[09:42] <jas_> crimsun How do I create a mount point?
[09:42] <crimsun> jas_: /wherever/you/want is not literal
[09:42] <topyli> zukero: see if you actually have a file called x-session-manager in /etc/alternatives
[09:42] <jas_> crimsun Yeah I know I changed that
[09:42] <nalioth> luis_: the torrent should d/l a correct iso
[09:42] <crimsun> jas_: sudo mkdir -p /mnt/something
[09:42] <syntaxerror64> i was able to get it with bittorrent fast today
[09:42] <glick> Chadza, firstly all my desktop and file icons have been replaced with "unknown" icons
[09:42] <zukero> topyli, yes i do
[09:43] <nalioth> luis_: or repair the iso you d/l to correct md5sums
[09:43] <Howdy125> http://releases.ubuntu.com/5.10/ubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso.torrent
[09:43] <glick> i have both openoffice 1 and openoffice 2 on my system
[09:43] <luis_> how can i do that?
[09:43] <solidgroove> high traffic is not good, 40kib\s download
[09:43] <jas_> crimsun do I need to keep the /mnt/ part it or can I change that as well?
[09:43] <pinucset> when ubuntu-guide will be available for breezy?
[09:43] <nalioth> luis_: start your torrent file that matches the iso you've downloaded in the same dir as your iso
[09:43] <jas_> crimsun By the way I thank you for all your patience with this Linux new guy.
[09:44] <crimsun> jas_: you can change it, but it's recommended that you keep it under /mnt
[09:44] <nalioth> jas_: we're all new with linux
[09:44] <miksu> the download speed in upgrade just improved to 50kbs
[09:44] <jas_> crimsun Ahh thanks
[09:44] <topyli> zukero: oh, it's because you have to use sudo. it's a system-wide command after all, sorry :)
[09:44] <luis_> ok..i'll try that
[09:44] <zukero> nope does the same
[09:44] <linuxamoeba21> should my sources in sources.list still be set to hoary when i run apt-get dist-upgrade?
[09:44] <Chadza> glick: Have you tried reapplying your desktop theme?  That's the only time something like that has happened to me.
[09:44] <jas_> crimsun Okay now i have made the dir
[09:45] <topyli> zukero: hrmpf. so it does
[09:45] <miksu> amoeba no replace hoary with breezy
[09:45] <zukero> ...
[09:45] <topyli> zukero: here too
[09:45] <crimsun> jas_: you don't need to pass -t iso9660, btw
[09:45] <glick> ok
[09:45] <antix> installing breezy.. I can't get out of the partitioner? it won't format the disks and no error msg..
[09:45] <jas_> crimsun so just make it 'mount -o loop filename.iso /mnt/something'
[09:45] <glick> Chadza, ok that fixed that
[09:46] <stevencarson> breezy has eaten my gui
[09:46] <stevencarson> just get a big terminal window now
[09:46] <crimsun> jas_: sudo mount -o loop file.iso /mountpoint
[09:46] <topyli> zukero: ok, this should work: "sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager"
[09:46] <stevencarson> no idea what to do
[09:46] <linuxamoeba21> miksu, for some reason, synaptic freaks out when i change the repos to breezy, but apt-get update is fine ...?
[09:46] <jas_> Which would be that mkdir -p /mnt/something like you had me create
[09:46] <jas_> crimsun Which would be that mkdir -p /mnt/something like you had me create
[09:46] <Chadza> glick: Anything else I can try to help you with?
[09:47] <miksu> amoeba that's why i said it is more convenient..seems more reliable
[09:47] <jas_> crimsun the mount point I mean
[09:47] <ericmoritz> do I have to burn a new cd to upgrade horay to breezy?
[09:47] <zukero> topyli, There is only 1 program which provides x-session-manager
[09:47] <zukero> (/usr/bin/gnome-session). Nothing to configure.
[09:47] <crimsun> jas_: yes
[09:47] <stjepan> hello
[09:47] <nalioth> ubotu: tell zukero about upgrade2breezy
[09:47] <jas_> crimsun Okay thanks I'll give it a shot.
[09:47] <sandollar> good God is every one updateing right now?
[09:47] <shadeofgrey> can somebody please paste a link to the 5.10 version of kubuntu thats the STABLE release?  all theones i see are for the release candidate
[09:47] <zukero> nalioth, i am on breezy
[09:48] <jas_> crimsun It still is doing the same thing.
[09:48] <nalioth> shadeofgrey: www.ubuntulinux.org/download
[09:48] <stjepan> I have got installed hoary, but I have got breezy CD. Can I upgrade my Hoary to Breezy with CD?
[09:48] <topyli> zukero: this means your other display manager has not registered into the alternatives system. you have installed it from unholy sources :)
[09:48] <crimsun> jas_: what iso?
[09:48] <nalioth> zukero: then just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[09:48] <glick> also i notice that my system is a little sluggiesh
[09:48] <crispy> Hi, im trying to install nvidia drivers in ubuntu 5.10, but i cant since im not root - and for some reason i havent got a password for it ^_^
[09:48] <NoUse> stjepan yeah if you insert the breezy CD while running Hoary it should prompt you to upgrade
[09:48] <crimsun> glick: how so?
[09:48] <crimsun> crispy: does the included driver not work?
[09:48] <stevencarson> no windows any more just a command line :-(
[09:49] <something_else> anyone on hoary? can you give me an output of /etc/hal/fdi/policy/preferences,fdi
[09:49] <glick> crimsun, likt the mouse just freezes sometimes on the screen
[09:49] <nalioth> ubotu: tell crispy about root
[09:49] <crimsun> glick: is DMA enabled?
[09:49] <zukero> topyli, so is there a way to tell manually "entrance" instead of "gdm"
[09:49] <stjepan> NoUse: really? I can upgrade it via CD and without internet???
[09:49] <glick> crimsun, how do i check that?
[09:49] <NoUse> stjepan I've never done it but I believe its possible
[09:49] <crimsun> glick: sudo hdparm -d /dev/yourharddrive
[09:49] <lsuactiafner> all the mirros i open up dont have the .iso
[09:49] <VR^> stjepan: samo ubaci svjo Breezy CD i ono ce uraditi upgrade
[09:49] <glick> yeah dma is on
[09:50] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: did you see the topic?
[09:50] <crimsun> glick: which X server?
[09:50] <ericmoritz> !upgrade2breezy
[09:50] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[09:50] <topyli> zukero: you could look at gdm's init script in /etc/init.d/gdm and make a similar one for entice. then remove gdm
[09:50] <glick> crimson i guess the one that comes with breezy
[09:50] <stjepan> VR^: wow, tnx
[09:50] <DerLandi> hallo leute!
[09:50] <zukero> ok
[09:50] <VR^> stjepan: no problem
[09:50] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : yes, and ftp.is.co.za in south-africa where i'm from has it, but doesnt allow a download, am on a 5ks modem, even the bussiest servers will be ok for me
[09:50] <stevencarson> help please - all my windows have gone - now just have a big terminal for a pc
[09:50] <jas_> crimsun Did you get that?
[09:50] <DerLandi> ich hab gerade mein ubunt Hoary 5.04 neu aufgesetzt! kann mir jeamd ne sources.list sagen geben what ever?
[09:51] <nalioth> !de
[09:51] <ubotu> Bitte gehen sie nach #ubuntu-de fuer deutschsprachige hilfe
[09:51] <crimsun> jas_: yes, I'm just lagged
[09:51] <Almindor> any idea when new mono gets in?
[09:51] <jas_> crimsun Understandable.
[09:51] <crimsun> Almindor: it won't be in Breezy.
[09:51] <Almindor> dang..
[09:51] <crimsun> Breezy is frozen
[09:51] <linuxamoeba21> is this a big deal (from apt-get update): "Err http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates Release.gpg
[09:51] <linuxamoeba21>   Connection failed [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] 
[09:51] <linuxamoeba21> "
[09:51] <Almindor> I need to go to the next beta then :)
[09:51] <VR^> DerLandi: du willst Breezy installieren?
[09:51] <topyli> zukero: then of course you have to make a symbolic link from /etc/init.d/entice to /etc/rc2.d/entice
[09:51] <glick> ill brb
[09:51] <nalioth> linuxamoeba21: the servers are extremely hammered
[09:52] <crimsun> the topic has a list of mirrors.
[09:52] <jas_> crimsun I was a bit embarrassed to say it out in the masses...
[09:52] <linuxamoeba21> poor guys
[09:52] <nalioth> VR^: sprechen im #ubuntu-de, bitte
[09:52] <DerLandi> @vr^ nein! ne sources.list fr mein neus ubuntu zum installieren neuer pakete! was muss ich tun um apt benutzen zu knnen
[09:52] <stjepan> may I use Debian repository with ubuntu?
[09:52] <VR^> nalioth: lol sorry, i was just trying to help someone ^_^
[09:52] <linuxamoeba21> stjepan, dont try it!
[09:52] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : all the mirrors ive been to dont have the cdimage.
[09:52] <solidgroove> i ordered the cd's because mirrors are too slow, it might take longer though
[09:52] <NoUse> stjepan no
[09:52] <casimir> ahh, so the masses are flooding the repositories?
[09:52] <crimsun> stjepan: you may, and you get to keep the pieces when it breaks.
[09:52] <stevencarson> does anybody know how i can get my gui back?
[09:53] <VR^> DerLandi: du kannst in #ubuntu-de nachfragen
[09:53] <linuxamoeba21> stjepan, i actually gave up and reformatted when i tried that
[09:53] <topyli> stjepan: you will break stuff
[09:53] <stevencarson> all i have since breezy install is a command line
[09:53] <vengeful> startx
[09:53] <vengeful> xstart
[09:53] <vengeful> one of the two?
[09:53] <nalioth> ubotu tell stevencarson about fixres
[09:53] <ivar> doh, I thought after tweaking my repos, apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade I'd be done.. but apt-get install ubuntu-desktop is another 140 packages !
[09:53] <jas_> startx
[09:53] <crimsun> jas_: please post strace output from it
[09:53] <linuxamoeba21> stevencarlson, were you using fglrx?
[09:53] <jas_> crimsun How do I strace it?
[09:53] <Maikeru> ubotu tell me about root
[09:53] <stevencarson> ubotu: thanks!
[09:53] <ubotu> stevencarson: graag gedaan
[09:53] <soulman__> any idea how to activate the multiverse repositories in breezy badger? I see universe, though
[09:53] <stjepan> but there are more packages for debian than for ubuntu :(
[09:53] <Maikeru> wtf
[09:54] <Maikeru> root is disabled in breezy?
[09:54] <topyli> stjepan: not true
[09:54] <kg> hello, did any of you guys upgrade from debian unstable to hoary?
[09:54] <vengeful> yes, debians just happen to be 5 years old
[09:54] <topyli> Maikeru: yes
[09:54] <VR^> Maikeru: use sudo
[09:54] <crimsun> !tell Maikeru about root
[09:54] <NoUse> Maikeru root has been disabled in all Ubuntu releases
[09:54] <Maikeru> Never for me
[09:54] <Maikeru> I always su
[09:54] <stjepan> topyli: can u give me a numbers?
[09:54] <Maikeru> only for when I'm doing something that requires multi lines though
[09:54] <Howdy125> Root is enabled after this .. sudo passwd root
[09:54] <kg> I was wondering what problems I could possibly encounter, I'm in the middle of the upgrade right now ;)
[09:54] <Maikeru> oh, yeah, that
[09:55] <jas_> crimsun How would I strace it exactly remember linux noob if you :P
[09:55] <Tyler> grr when r the ubuntu updates gonna work again?
[09:55] <crimsun> jas_: you'll need to strace -o somefile mount -o loop [...] 
[09:55] <VR^> Tyler: wait a couple months =)
[09:55] <nalioth> kg: sarge > breezy?
[09:55] <crimsun> jas_: probably easier if you sudo -s first
[09:55] <crimsun> Tyler: they're not working?
[09:55] <Tyler> nope its not downloading anything
[09:55] <Tyler> in synpatic i mean, they must be down
[09:55] <vengeful> takes awhile tyler
[09:55] <Skid> whats the command to search for a string 'inside' a file, or files, within a current given directory?
[09:55] <crimsun> Tyler: or did you not read the topic?
[09:56] <vengeful> i think they are just very busy?
[09:56] <jas_> crimsun Okay -o somefile is gonna be my output right where the results if you will goes right??
[09:56] <lllmanulll> kg, I don't think this would be a very good idea :)
[09:56] <crimsun> jas_: the first -o, yes
[09:56] <nalioth> Tyler: the servers are hammered atm
[09:56] <VR^> im glad i did my update last night!~
[09:56] <topyli> Maikeru: 17781 packages available for my system
[09:56] <mcquaid> hello, i want to compile something and make a deb out of it, there was a good guide in the forums (i believe the kde one) but with the forum restructuring i can't find it now
[09:56] <VR^> while everyone else was sleeping
[09:56] <mcquaid> did they archive the old kde forum?
[09:56] <Maikeru> topyli, okay...?
[09:56] <nalioth> ubotu: tell mcquaid about checkinstall
[09:56] <Tyler> i hope its gonna download, i just reinstalled and i dont wanna forget stuff
[09:56] <Belial-> stevencarson: tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[09:57] <stevencarson> ubotu: that page is if you have low res?  i just have a terminal type screen no windows at all
[09:57] <ubotu> stevencarson: I think you lost me on that one
[09:57] <WhyvasLT> hey, my loopback device seems to have died, I bring it up with ifconfig lo up, but i can't ping it and i can't use the localhost, when i bring up network tools, it seems like ipv6 is working but there's no entry for ipv4, does anyone know how i can reenable ip4 on the loopback ???
[09:57] <topyli> Maikeru: still looking for debian info
[09:57] <linuxamoeba21> 0% [Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com ...
[09:57] <mcquaid> ya i usually use checkinstall, but i wanted to go over the guide this user created to create  proper debs
[09:57] <pder> UBUNTU ARE NOT RUN ON COMPUTER SYSTEM
[09:57] <crimsun> linuxamoeba21: yes. Read the topic. Again.
[09:57] <mcquaid> and this is a lib i want to install, not sure if i can do that with checkinstall
[09:57] <antix> restarted and now I could get past the partitioner. one thing I did different was in the LVM config I chose Go back instead of Leave.. but could be anything...
[09:57] <jas_> crimsun Wow thats a pretty big file..
[09:57] <icewt> stevencarson, ubotu is a bot
[09:58] <VR^> hahah
[09:58] <linuxamoeba21> crimsun, i changed repos and did apt-get update
[09:58] <crimsun> jas_: yes, now please bzip2 it, and post it on the Web somewhere
[09:58] <pelle_> e hr ngon svenska hr inne jag behver hjlp
[09:58] <linuxamoeba21> just that slow?
[09:58] <pder> UBUNTU DO NOT SUPPORT PERSONAL COMPUTER SYSTEM
[09:58] <VR^> linuxamoeba21: you just have to wait... a lot
[09:58] <TiMiDo> pder: lower you're caps
[09:58] <linuxamoeba21> =(
[09:58] <Howdy125> ubotu: why is the sky blue
[09:58] <ubotu> Howdy125: what are you talking about?
[09:58] <vengeful> stevencarson, what does it say when you type startx
[09:58] <stjepan> is there more packages for ubuntu or for debian?
[09:58] <pelle_> ingen svensk hr inne
[09:58] <WildZeck> can we upgrade to 5.10 via apt-get dist upgrade ?
[09:58] <Howdy125> lol
[09:58] <TiMiDo> stjepan: apt-cache search package
[09:58] <Bad_Magic> if the repos werent down
[09:58] <crimsun> WildZeck: yes, but use a mirror, please.
[09:58] <Bad_Magic> yes
[09:58] <mcquaid> is there anywhere that they list the old kde forum?
[09:58] <mcquaid> for hoary?
[09:58] <crimsun> Bad_Magic: they're NOT down.
[09:58] <crimsun> read the topic.
[09:59] <nderjm> Anyone having display problems that sound like this: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17719
[09:59] <jas_> crimsun bzip? Umm remember linux nub.
[09:59] <linuxamoeba21> WildZeck, change your repos from hoary to breezy, sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get dist-upgraed
[09:59] <WildZeck> where is the list ? mirror for apt ?
[09:59] <linuxamoeba21> *upgrade
[09:59] <stevencarson> "xserver-xorg is broken and not fully installed" apparently
[09:59] <Patrik88> anyone good at ettercap??
[09:59] <Bad_Magic> down, has the tar beaten out of it, same thing
[09:59] <miksu> my upgrade is running fine at 40 kbs .. no problems
[09:59] <crimsun> jas_: bzip2 nameOfStraceFile
[09:59] <Davey> 94%!
[09:59] <linuxamoeba21> /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:59] <TiMiDo> nderjm: let me look at the bug give me one second
[09:59] <crimsun> stevencarson: you need to finish downloading all the file
[09:59] <crimsun> s
[09:59] <Dekkard> servers are still waaaaaaaaay hammered
[09:59] <Dekkard> slashdotted even
[10:00] <jas_> should it end up being bz2 as the extension?
[10:00] <stevencarson> not all the packages installed from my cd, said something bout gcalc file list empty
[10:00] <crimsun> Bad_Magic: no, down != slow
[10:00] <TiMiDo> nderjm: xorg bug
[10:00] <TiMiDo> ?
[10:00] <jas_> crimsun should it end up being bz2 as the extension?
[10:00] <Davey> 95% :D
[10:00] <Patrik88> when i choose network interface i get this error: ERROR : 1, Operation not permitted
[10:00] <Patrik88> [ec_capture.c:capture_init:146] 
[10:00] <Patrik88>  pcap_open: socket: Operation not permitted
[10:00] <crimsun> jas_: yes
[10:00] <Bad_Magic> slow to the point of not being usable = down
[10:00] <gino> what was the name of ubuntu before 5.10 ?
[10:00] <topyli> Maikeru: can't find it promptly, but IIRC debian unstable has a bit over 16000 packages
[10:00] <jas_> crimsun Okay umm trying to think of where i could post it..
[10:00] <Davey> Breezy Badger
[10:00] <crimsun> gino: Ubuntu.
[10:00] <nderjm> TiMiDo: know where I can find documentation on a work around?
[10:00] <WhyvasLT> hey, my loopback device seems to have died, I bring it up with ifconfig lo up, but i can't ping it and i can't use the localhost, when i bring up network tools, it seems like ipv6 is working but there's no entry for ipv4, does anyone know how i can reenable ip4 on the loopback ???
[10:00] <gino> no i want the version
[10:00] <Dekkard> it was the hoary hedgehog
[10:00] <crimsun> 5.04
[10:01] <VR^> gino: hoary hedgehog
[10:01] <crimsun> releases are biannual
[10:01] <TiMiDo> nderjm: http://doc.ubuntu.com/gnome/faqi386/C/
[10:01] <TiMiDo> it's a good one
[10:01] <topyli> Maikeru: anyway, sometimes debian does have something not readily available for ubuntu. then i use a debian source repository and build a package from that source on my box locally
[10:01] <Davey> I am *way* too excited :)
[10:01] <gino> ok hedgedog but which number ?
[10:01] <Bad_Magic> i updated last night
[10:01] <Bad_Magic> its nice
[10:01] <crimsun> gino: 5.04, like I said.
[10:01] <something_else> already updates to breezy?
[10:01] <Davey> 98% :)
[10:01] <Dekkard> 5.04
[10:02] <vidz> So what are the best features in breezy?
[10:02] <linuxamoeba21> gino, Ubuntu Hoary Hedgehog 5.04
[10:02] <robbie> mornings
[10:02] <casimir> ahh, mirror runs much faster
[10:02] <TiMiDo> vidz: /topic #ubuntu
[10:02] <something_else> d
[10:02] <Jemt> Greetings. I was going to install 'w32codecs' but it has been removed from repositories. Why is that ? And where can I find it ?
[10:02] <gino> ok 5.04   ok thanks u all
[10:02] <casimir> thanks
[10:02] <jas_> crimsun could I send the file through here?
[10:02] <crimsun> something_else: they're only to reversion mozilla so it's higher than what's in hoary-updates
[10:02] <Gobbla> is it safe to cancel a dist-upgrade and finish it later?
[10:02] <tristanmike> !tell Jemt about w32codecs
[10:02] <Davey> 99% :)
[10:02] <mcquaid> does anyone know if you can install libs with checkinstall? i've used checkinstall many times but never for libs
[10:02] <crimsun> jas_: yes, you may dcc
[10:02] <TiMiDo> !tell Jemt about w32codecs
[10:02] <TvM> how can i solve these problem?? http://pastebin.com/392652
[10:02] <crimsun> Gobbla: yes, it'll resume
[10:02] <stevencarson> how do i install the rest of the packages if all i have is a command line?
[10:02] <Gobbla> crimsun: aight
[10:02] <something_else> hmm ok, but i have to let you know theres a problem with hal in breezy
[10:02] <VR^> Jemt is being flooded by the bot
[10:02] <Jemt> TiMiDo: Some kind a bot function ?
[10:02] <VR^> hehehe
[10:03] <nalioth> mcquaid: yes you can install anything you can compile with checkinstall
[10:03] <Davey> stevencarson, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:03] <stevencarson> Davey: ta
[10:03] <crimsun> something_else: hoary-security, sorry
[10:03] <ericmoritz> is there mirror for the security site?
[10:03] <vidz> TiMiDo: I am using a CGI:IRC client through a firewall. It doesn't display the topic
[10:03] <vidz> Gobbla: Is it still downloading files, or is it installing them?
[10:03] <TiMiDo> TvM: did you mount the device?
[10:03] <gino> is it possible to get xfce with ubuntu ?
[10:03] <mcquaid> k thx
[10:03] <EnsignRedshirt> Hello, world.
[10:03] <Davey> stevencarson, probably need to use sudo though :)
[10:03] <vengeful> gino, yes
[10:03] <crimsun> gino: xubuntu-desktop
[10:03] <TiMiDo> gino: yes it is
[10:03] <vengeful> very easy infact
[10:04] <TiMiDo> hello EnsignRedshirt
[10:04] <mcquaid> i want to try the kde voip app twinkle but it needs libs not in breezy
[10:04] <TvM> TiMiDo its my cdrom ..with no cd or dvd inside...
[10:04] <crimsun> mcquaid: which libs?
[10:04] <something_else> whats the mono version in breezy?
[10:04] <mohkohn> gino from memory sudo apt-get install xfce4
[10:04] <vidz> gino: Look for xubuntu-desktop in synaptic
[10:04] <jas_> crimsun I sent them you seem to not be responding
[10:04] <nderjm> TiMido:What am I looking for in this document?
[10:04] <TiMiDo> TvM: do apt-cdrom
[10:04] <glick> yeah whenever i open a window or a program my mouse freezes for a second
[10:04] <TiMiDo> nderjm: you tell me
[10:04] <EnsignRedshirt> I'm getting ready to install a new hard drive and Ubuntu.  Is there any reason /boot should have its own partition?
[10:04] <crimsun> something_else: mono | 1.1.8.3-1ubuntu2 | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages
[10:04] <TiMiDo> glick: do you get any errors?
[10:04] <Davey> http://hashphp.org/pastebin.php?format=plain&pid=5017 <-- I keep getting that from apt, any solutions?
[10:04] <Jemt> TiMiDo: Thanks for all your help :)
[10:04] <something_else> thank you crimsun
[10:04] <TiMiDo> Jemt: np
[10:04] <Jemt> ^^
[10:05] <Peps> I would like to upgrade to Kubuntu breezy, but think it is best to fix the KDE menu problem first - for some time I am unable to make any changes in it - can someone point to me how to "reset" it?
[10:05] <nderjm> TiMiDo: I dont see anything about xorg issues, but I might need glasses :/
[10:05] <vidz> EnsignRedshirt: Yes, for system stability.
[10:05] <TiMiDo> hold up
[10:05] <mcquaid> crimsun, ccrtp-1.3.4.tar.gz and commoncpp2-1.3.16.tar.gz (minimum version is 1.3.0)
[10:05] <gino> sudo su apt-get
[10:05] <crimsun> jas_: I haven't received a dcc send request from you?
[10:05] <mcquaid> commoncpp should be fine i think, but ccrtp is 1.3.1 in breezy
[10:05] <something_else> finally crimsun, do you know how I can get an update to hal without resorting to cvs
[10:05] <nalioth> gino: what was that about?
[10:05] <TvM> TiMiDo i have that error every 2 s... if i put a cd in drive error stops...
[10:05] <nnonix> Any known issues with Breezy/Totem and quicktime files such as those from apple.com/trailers? Firefox says it has the pluggin but totem throws errors and says it cannot play the file.
[10:05] <EnsignRedshirt> vidz: How does a separate partition help with "stability"?
[10:05] <jas_> crimsun I Sent it twice actualy
[10:06] <nomed> nnonix, totem-xine ?
[10:06] <crimsun> jas_: I have received nothing
[10:06] <TiMiDo> nderjm: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation#head-19e51e4331625e264a28ed6c484b946c86882d15
[10:06] <jas_> crimsun Hmm thats odd
[10:06] <nnonix> nomed: yes
[10:06] <vidz> EnsignRedshirt: Ok, say a process goes bezerk and writes 10GB of log files. If you have /var on it's own partition, it doesn't fill up / and prevents things from getting nasty
[10:06] <crimsun> something_else: what needs to be updated in hal?
[10:06] <nderjm> TiMiDo: ATI Drive issues?
[10:06] <linuxamoeba21> nnonix, i've never had any luck with totem... kaffiene or mplayer?
[10:06] <TiMiDo> not sure,
[10:06] <nomed> i've had problem using xine based players
[10:06] <barbablues> does anyone know if the breezy dvd is ready and where (or when) I can find it?
[10:06] <nomed> even with xfmedia
[10:06] <gino> speedtouch usb drivers ?
[10:06] <crimsun> mcquaid: install libcommoncpp2-1.3c2 and libcommoncpp2-1.3c2
[10:06] <jas_> crimsun Any other ideas?
[10:07] <TiMiDo> barbablues: from the mirrors
[10:07] <topyli> vidz: yes, that would be valuable on a server
[10:07] <crimsun> mcquaid: they're both in universe
[10:07] <linuxamoeba21> 2%!!!!!!!!!!!!111111!!!1!!!11
[10:07] <barbablues> can't find it
[10:07] <TiMiDo> http://tinyurl.com/74xlu barbablues
[10:07] <stjepan> which distro do you recommend for programmer and Linux expert? Slackware vs Ubuntu? I like apt, I do not like swaret, slapt-get, tgz
[10:07] <phiqtion> servers are getting HAMMERED :O
[10:07] <vidz> EnsignRedshirt: Also, /var gets written to very often. What happens if that filesystem gets corrupt and it is the same partition as /home and /boot? Well I guess everything is screwed
[10:07] <mcquaid> crimsun, uh you just said the same file twice?
[10:07] <linuxamoeba21> stjepan, ubuntu is a great mix
[10:07] <nalioth> stjepan: then use ubuntu
[10:07] <TiMiDo> that's the link to get the breeze release barbablues
[10:07] <vidz> topyli: No, that is valuable on a desktop AND a server
[10:07] <crimsun> mcquaid: libccrtp1-1.3c2
[10:07] <something_else> I dont know about what needs to be updated, however when running gnome-volume-manager in terminal it states my external usb hdd cannot be mounted, when oddly it is possible in hoary, and I can manually mount
[10:07] <stjepan> ubuntu is for beginners and fools
[10:08] <crimsun> mcquaid: breezy has 1.3.1-3ubuntu4 >> 1.3.0
[10:08] <topyli> stjepan: looks like you're recommending ubuntu or debian to yourself :)
[10:08] <something_else> Im assuming anything new might fix this
[10:08] <jas_> crimsun Any other ideas?
[10:08] <phiqtion> stjepan: like you :D
[10:08] <Peps> I would like to upgrade to Kubuntu breezy, but think it is best to fix the KDE menu problem first - for some time I am unable to make any changes in it - can someone point to me how to "reset" it?
[10:08] <barbablues> TiMiDo, I can only find the CDs, not the DVD
[10:08] <crimsun> jas_: post it on a Web site
[10:08] <zcat[1] > stjepan: no, ubuntu is for ppl that want stuff to work and don't want to mess around for days to get things working
[10:08] <something_else> stjepan, I went from a year in slackware to ubuntu, does this make me stupid?
[10:08] <nomed> something_else, i feel something changed in breezy's hal
[10:08] <vidz> unlike the genoo crowd
[10:08] <TiMiDo> there's no dvds out yet barbablues
[10:08] <mcquaid> crimsun, yes i see that but it needs ccrtp-1.3.4'
[10:08] <something_else> like what nomed?
[10:08] <topyli> stjepan: no, many experienced debian users have moved to ubuntu
[10:08] <gino> it seems to have some debian packages in ubuntu ?
[10:08] <EnsignRedshirt> vidz: I see. I had planned on making /home a separate partition.  Perhaps, /home, /var, and / (i.e. everything else) is reasonable?
[10:08] <TiMiDo> gino: yes
[10:09] <something_else> are any of you still in hoary/
[10:09] <linuxamoeba21> soemthing_else, yeah
[10:09] <crimsun> mcquaid: can you hold off til dapper opens?
[10:09] <TiMiDo> ubuntu is based on debian, so almost everything is from debian gino
[10:09] <nalioth> gino: ubuntu is based on debian source
[10:09] <something_else> amoeba could you print something for me
[10:09] <linuxamoeba21> sure
[10:09] <barbablues> ok, anyone knows when the DVDs will be released?
[10:09] <mcquaid> i guess sure, but i didn't think they'd backport libs
[10:09] <crimsun> mcquaid: alternately you can uupdate to create your own deb, but you need to be familiar with Debian packaging
[10:09] <vidz> EnsignRedshirt: /boot 50-100MB partition, /, /home, /, /usr, ,/tmp are the best for system security and stability
[10:09] <something_else> ok can u gimme output of /etc/hal/fdi/policy/preferences.fdi
[10:10] <glick> Tidus, no i dont get any errors
[10:10] <Peps> I would like to upgrade to Kubuntu breezy, but think it is best to fix the KDE menu problem first - for some time I am unable to make any changes in it - can someone point to me how to "reset" it?
[10:10] <topyli> gino: all ubuntu packages are built on ubuntu. ubuntu does come from the debian foundations though
[10:10] <nomed> something_else, i still need to figure out what exactly but for ex i can't use old hoary scripts i had in /etc/hal/device.d
[10:10] <gino> as make make menuconfig
[10:10] <vidz> EnsignRedshirt: / /var /usr /tmp /boot /home
[10:10] <mcquaid> crimsun, well once dapper opens, can i use jdong's script to backport it? not sure if that works with libs
[10:10] <linuxamoeba21> doesnt exist...?
[10:10] <omer> Anyone here had idea how to install ubuntu when you have win 98, and the only boot device is hardidsk?
[10:10] <something_else> it doesnt exist?
[10:10] <something_else> hmm interesting
[10:10] <TiMiDo> omer: from a floppy
[10:10] <crimsun> mcquaid: I don't know, I avoid backports generally.
[10:11] <daysleper> great stuff guys .. congratz with the release - i've downloaded it from bitorrent and looking forward to upgrading ... :)
[10:11] <mcquaid> crimsun, hmm, so what were you suggesting about dapper then?
[10:11] <something_else> thank you amoeba
[10:11] <omer> There is option to install rom fluppy?
[10:11] <syntaxerror64> daysleper, i just installed and so far so good :)
[10:11] <crimsun> mcquaid: when it opens, we'll push it in
[10:11] <barbablues> omer, if you have a cd but can't boot from it try SBM (smart boot manager)
[10:11] <mcquaid> to breezy? cool
[10:11] <crimsun> mcquaid: no, to dapper
[10:11] <gino> do u see speedtouch usb packages ?
[10:12] <TvM> how can i solve these problem?? http://pastebin.com/392652
[10:12] <EnsignRedshirt> vidz: Thanks.  By the way, what is a reasonable size for /tmp?
[10:12] <topyli> omer: i really don't know any other way except the cd
[10:12] <mcquaid> oh, well i thought i'd have to backport it then, or i'd be mixing sources
[10:12] <P8ntKid> Can someone help me? I have no sound in any of the videos i watch :(
[10:12] <barbablues> SBM it's a bootmanager on a floppy, you can boot a cd even if your BIOS can't
[10:12] <omer> I have laptoop withnothing exept harddisk.
[10:12] <BiSK-8> hello
[10:12] <vidz> EnsignRedshirt: I set 1-2GB normally
[10:12] <barbablues> if u have 1
[10:12] <topyli> omer: i would install debian woody base install from floppies and upgrade to ubuntu breezy
[10:12] <omer> So there is no chise except buy CD
[10:13] <omer> That can work? upgrade form debian to buntu?
[10:13] <crimsun> P8ntKid: which player are you using?
[10:13] <omer> *ubuntu
[10:13] <Polis> I wanted to know, does breezy support SATA discs?
[10:13] <topyli> omer: from an old debian i think it would work
[10:13] <crimsun> TvM: check the media and the physical hardware
[10:13] <crimsun> Polis: yes
[10:13] <nalioth> mcquaid: you can build from source easily and not cause any trouble with your ubuntu (it's non ubuntu binaries that cause fits)
[10:13] <nalioth> Polis: yes it does
[10:13] <Peps> I would like to upgrade to Kubuntu breezy, but think it is best to fix the KDE menu problem first - for some time I am unable to make any changes in it - can someone point to me how to "reset" it?
[10:13] <topyli> omer: because just about every package would be upgraded
[10:13] <BiSK-8> i just installed breezy, but i have a few probs: 1) apt-get wont work..... seems that the sources.list is broken.... 2)totem wont work 3) the pppoe dosent start a boot time so i ust configure it every time. what can i do?
[10:13] <Polis> thx
[10:13] <Davey> Peps, try #kubuntu
[10:14] <mcphail> mcquaid, checkinstall is a useful tool
[10:14] <omer> you know from which version?
[10:14] <mcquaid> ok well i'll wait for dapper or i'll give checkinstall a shot
[10:14] <Peps> Davey: very slow over there
[10:14] <TiMiDo> dapper it's gonna take a bit
[10:14] <virgule> I want to change sources.list server -- The us.archive.ubuntu.com is way too slow for me -- How do I do that?
[10:14] <mcquaid> don't know why i'm weary of using it with libs but nothing else i have installed uses that anywyas
[10:14] <TiMiDo> virgule: apt-setup
[10:14] <Davey> Peps, better than the non-answer here, no? :)
[10:14] <EnsignRedshirt> vidz: Thanks.  I take a look at my current system for guesstimating sizes for the rest of the partitions.  Ciao.
[10:14] <nomed> virgule, today for sure :)
[10:14] <EnsignRedshirt> *i'll
[10:15] <Loevborg> virgule, there's a menu item "repositories"
[10:15] <BiSK-8> can any1 help me plz?
[10:15] <TvM> crimsun its an HP dv4165 with a liightscribe driver...i dont have any media inside..
[10:15] <Loevborg> virgule, ... in synpatic that is
[10:15] <TiMiDo> BiSK-8: try asking
[10:15] <crimsun> TvM: so what's the issue?
[10:15] <linuxamoeba21> virgule, also, it's at /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:15] <enyc> bisk: maybe ;-)
[10:15] <P8ntKid> crimsun: In all of them. I have tried mplayer, xine, nautron, and totem. They all play the video. But just no sound.
[10:15] <german> hi!
[10:15] <TiMiDo> hi german
[10:15] <BiSK-8> i just installed breezy, but i have a few probs: 1) apt-get wont work..... seems that the sources.list is broken.... 2)totem wont work 3) the pppoe dosent start a boot time so i ust configure it every time. what can i do?
[10:16] <TvM> crimsun i get that msg every 2 s
[10:16] <nalioth> BiSK-8: see /topic
[10:16] <german> what sgud I install to play mp3?
[10:16] <enyc> p8nt:  what   audio/video codec used?
[10:16] <nalioth> ubotu: tell german about mp3
[10:16] <TiMiDo> !tell german about mp3
[10:16] <crimsun> TvM: where do you get it?
[10:16] <TiMiDo> bla
[10:16] <TvM> i cant go to any terminal...only can use kde
[10:16] <TvM> crimsun in store
[10:16] <i3dmaster> which file defines HISTFILESIZE and HISTSIZE?
[10:16] <MrMaDSeN> howcome I cant install ubuntu 5.04 or 5.10 on this pc... it stalls during config af apt source
[10:16] <TiMiDo> TvM: can u do ctrl alt f1?
[10:16] <crimsun> TvM: ..."in store"?
[10:17] <virgule> apt-setup is aking for a Mirror hostname -- hmmmm?!?!?
[10:17] <P8ntKid> crimsun: Well, i just closed XMMS and now i have sound...
[10:17] <crimsun> virgule: read the topic
[10:17] <enyc> mrma:   ?network problem?
[10:17] <BiSK-8> nalioth: whyy read the topic?
[10:17] <Davey> has anyone managed to get Xinerama working for ATI working with Breezy? is it possible with the new drivers?
[10:17] <mcphail> MrMaDSeN: it is just because the severs are being battered
[10:17] <TvM> yes i can but i cant use it...because the msg is always appearing
[10:17] <crimsun> P8ntKid: by default XMMS hogs the sound device.
[10:17] <nalioth> BiSK-8: it answers your apt-get question
[10:17] <german> nalioth, TiMiDo , thanks!!!
[10:17] <crimsun> P8ntKid: you need to set the output to ALSA
[10:17] <MrMaDSeN> mcphail, sure ?
[10:17] <infernall> Davey, Im on xinerama with ATI right now :)
[10:17] <infernall> Dual 19's
[10:17] <mcphail> MrMaDSeN: yes
[10:17] <Davey> infernall, really?! can I get your config?
[10:17] <Davey> infernall, same here :D
[10:17] <virgule> crimson: thanks.. I noticed. I just want to change us.archive.ubuntu.com to a server near me
[10:17] <Davey> what graphics card?
[10:17] <MrMaDSeN> should i try without ethernet cable in?
[10:17] <sybor> que tal
[10:18] <Davey> infernall, I can only get the "Big Desktop" to work in Breezy
[10:18] <casimir> are there any known hangups with java, which repository should I use for breezy java upgrades
[10:18] <silent_scream> does anybody know how sagem fast 800, can work in breezy?
[10:18] <nalioth> ubotu: tell casimir about java
[10:18] <BiSK-8> nalioth: no it dosent....
[10:18] <mcphail> MrMaDSeN: could do. Don't know if it will help.
[10:18] <enyc> mrma: could do....
[10:18] <mcquaid> a feature i miss in synaptic is, if i install a proggie and it requires a bunch of stuff, i swear there used to be an option to remove orphaned stuff when uninstalling
[10:18] <BiSK-8> i didnt upgrade, i installed from a cd
[10:18] <jas_> crimsun I don't know a place that I could put the file..
[10:19] <enyc> mrma: depends what the problem is ;-)
[10:19] <mcquaid> does kde's adept have that feature?
[10:19] <P8ntKid> crimsun: How do i do that?
[10:19] <mcphail> MrMaDSeN: you could also drop to a terminal and try killing the process
[10:19] <nalioth> BiSK-8: the servers are getting hammered today. that may be why your apt isng working
[10:19] <etnoy> is it possible to upgrade to breezy w/ a CD? I have a lot of boxes at home, and downloading breezy on all machines is a bit too heavy
[10:19] <crimsun> P8ntKid: change the preferences>plugin
[10:19] <TiMiDo> etnoy: yes
[10:19] <mcquaid> glad i did breezy last week ;)
[10:19] <MrMaDSeN> mcphail, just wondering if anyone else asked that particular question in here too :)
[10:19] <TiMiDo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[10:19] <nalioth> etnoy: yes it is, use "apt-cdrom"
[10:19] <P8ntKid> crimsun: For xmms?
[10:19] <BiSK-8> nalioth: no its not caz of that, it sais the package is obsolete
[10:20] <silent_scream> does anybody know how sagem fast 800, can work in breezy???
[10:20] <occy> crimsun, they nuked the old beep-media-player skin. :(
[10:20] <mcphail> MrMaDSeN: i've just joined, but an apt-get update took about 5 minutes!
[10:20] <TvM> can i disable atapi??
[10:20] <nalioth> BiSK-8: ah. well lots of that goin on
[10:20] <etnoy> nalioth: okay, so I just insert the new breezy cd and go?
[10:20] <occy> crimsun, (heh, and left the old preview in place for it)
[10:20] <nalioth> etnoy: yes, your gui should pop up and ask if you want to upgrade
[10:20] <crimsun> occy: I nuked it and didn't update the preview by accident.
[10:20] <MrMaDSeN> mcphail, oki
[10:20] <etnoy> nalioth: perfect!
[10:20] <occy> crimsun, grrr, it's YOU I can blame!%@#%#@%
[10:20] <occy> heh
[10:20] <zenlinuxNH> any news about whether there will be an "unofficial ubuntu starter guide" for breezy?
[10:20] <etnoy> not mentioned anywhere ;)
[10:21] <gino> silent_scream,  i have the same question with speedtouch usb modem
[10:21] <occy> crimsun, the old theme was inspiration for occy.net !
[10:21] <occy> :)
[10:21] <crimsun> occy: which old theme?
[10:21] <Davey> is it just me, or does Breezys Thunderbird feel like its a WINE app?
[10:21] <crimsun> occy: the debian one?
[10:21] <occy> crimsun, the old beep-media-player theme.
[10:21] <nalioth> zenlinuxNH: there will be an official starter guide
[10:21] <occy> crimsun, nod
[10:21] <Davey> like its running the wrong UI inside of the window decorations
[10:21] <BiSK-8> nalioth: and what abt totem?
[10:21] <nalioth> ubotu: tell zenlinuxNH about ubuntuguide
[10:21] <silent_scream> gino,that make two of us
[10:21] <cyberix> Anyone running Breezy with "Matrox Millennium G450 dualhead"?
[10:21] <BiSK-8> nalioth: it sais that its missing plugins
[10:21] <crimsun> occy: it was better to have a Ubuntu-oriented one (requested)
[10:21] <jas_> crimsun I don't know a place that I could put the file..
[10:21] <squid0> hello all
[10:22] <cyberix> It messes up my virtual consoles 1-6
[10:22] <nalioth> BiSK-8: so install them
[10:22] <squid0> now this may seem a bit simple, but...
[10:22] <silent_scream> gino, are trying by eagle-usb?
[10:22] <stevencarson> i am trying to reinstall the packages via apt-get and everything is failing saying 'depends libesd0'???
[10:22] <graabein> hello
[10:22] <zenlinuxNH> nalioth: thanks
[10:22] <occy> crimsun, I can understand that for default...  do you have a copy of the old one?
[10:22] <marsh> hi. anyone know if theres a way to read ntfs yet?
[10:22] <gino> yes and  usb modems are not very much accepted , here
[10:22] <squid0> are there any huge benefits of using 5.10?
[10:22] <BiSK-8> nalioth: how
[10:22] <BiSK-8> ?
[10:22] <P8ntKid> crimsun: ???
[10:22] <Davey> actually, it *is* using the wrong UI, its using the Gnome default with the green and not the Clearlooks Deepsky :)
[10:22] <nalioth> marsh: reading ntfs has been doable for a long time
[10:22] <zenlinuxNH> !faq
[10:22] <ubotu> methinks faq is The Ubuntu FAQ Guide: select System -> Help (in Breezy), or http://doc.ubuntu.com/gnome/faqi386/C/
[10:22] <squid0> ie. any really killer features?
[10:22] <silent_scream> it is supposed to be a help channel althought
[10:22] <i3dmaster> which file /quit
[10:22] <nalioth> ubotu: tell marsh about ntfs
[10:22] <crimsun> occy: it's retrievable from the orig.tar.gz of the Debian tarball, which you'll need to grab from packages.debian.org/beep-media-player
[10:22] <Davey> guess thats what I get for trying to use my system during the upgrade
[10:22] <nalioth> BiSK-8: use synaptic
[10:23] <occy> crimsun, k, danke
[10:23] <marsh> on an apt-get basis
[10:23] <marsh> ?
[10:23] <crimsun> P8ntKid: secondary-click, preferences
[10:23] <Christophe971> j0
[10:23] <gino> locate usbview
[10:23] <BiSK-8> nalioth: where do i download them from?
[10:23] <crimsun> P8ntKid: or I think it's Options> Preferences for XMMS
[10:23] <jas_> crimsun I don't know a place that I could put the file..
[10:23] <mcquaid> hmm i installed commonccp in apt and when compiling ccrtp it says:
[10:23] <mcquaid> checking for commoncpp2 version >= 1.3.0... not found
[10:23] <crimsun> mcquaid: you need the -dev files
[10:23] <nalioth> BiSK-8: join #kubuntu-offtopic please
[10:23] <Christophe971> do i'm dreaming or there is NOT live/install dvd of breezy available  ???
[10:23] <crimsun> file^
[10:23] <virgule> install commoncpp2-dev
[10:23] <nalioth> mcquaid: build it
[10:23] <crimsun> Christophe971: you're dreaming.
[10:23] <P8ntKid> crimsun: And then change the outputplugin to alsa?
[10:24] <crimsun> P8ntKid: yes
[10:24] <Christophe971> http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/5.10/ crimsun
[10:24] <gino> pppd call adsl
[10:24] <mcquaid> oops i should know that by now thx
[10:24] <Christophe971> crimsun: url ?
[10:24] <crimsun> Christophe971: topic?
[10:24] <P8ntKid> crimsun: I did that.
[10:24] <Christophe971> crimsun: dvd/install
[10:24] <crimsun> se mirror was having problems syncing.
[10:24] <jas_> crimsun I don't know a place that I could put the file..
[10:24] <Christophe971> crimsun: live/install
[10:24] <crimsun> use mirror.cs.umn.edu
[10:24] <Christophe971> crimsun: ye
[10:24] <Christophe971> yes
[10:25] <crimsun> jas_: sec
[10:25] <P8ntKid> crimsun: It still wont let me play the video when xmms is open
[10:25] <stevencarson> how do i burn my files to cd from command line - i think a fresh install is the only way forward
[10:25] <squid0> hi fellas what is a good open-source virtual machine program?
[10:25] <stevencarson> breezy has bust me
[10:25] <domenique> hello
[10:25] <hubuntu> squid0 qemu
[10:25] <lllmanulll> squid0, qemu ?
[10:25] <TvM> no solution for my prob....
[10:26] <squid0> hubuntu, lllmanulll , thanks, i'll check it
[10:26] <mohkohn> sudo apt-get install realplayer isn't working. It asks me to download rp8_linux20_libc6_i386_cs2_rpm.
[10:26] <mohkohn> But this seems to be an out of date file.
[10:26] <domenique> i upgraded to breezy and everything was fine, but after a reboot i can't get into X anymore
[10:26] <Christophe971> crimsun: no torrents nowhere
[10:26] <Christophe971> mirror.cs.umn.edu is down
[10:27] <crimsun> Christophe971: it is not down, it's just swamped
[10:27] <mohkohn> When I go to  http://scopes.real.com/real/player/unix/unix.html all I can find is RealPlayer Gold
[10:27] <virgule> now I want a fancy bash prompt but the PS1 syntax is confusing the heck out of me -- I want a bright username then a blue PWD
[10:27] <domenique> when i do a startx it says : /usr/lib/gnome-2.so.0 : wrong ELF header
[10:27] <Christophe971> damned
[10:27] <Rev-Marc> Someone said to edit "xorg.conf" to turnoff my touchpad but I don't know how to do that, please help
[10:27] <occy> crimsun, wow, there's another cool skin in there.
[10:27] <gino> mohkohn,  it seems to be *.deb instead of *.rpm
[10:27] <occy> crimsun, I smell a new revision of occy.net coming
[10:27] <occy> *chuckle*
[10:27] <crimsun> P8ntKid: did you modify ~/.asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf on your own?
[10:27] <crimsun> occy: which?
[10:28] <P8ntKid> crimsun: No, why?
[10:28] <stevencarson> i am trying to reinstall the packages via apt-get and everything is failing saying 'depends libesd0'???
[10:28] <crimsun> occy: the blue one?
[10:28] <occy> crimsun, sec
[10:28] <occy> crimsun, nod
[10:28] <mohkohn> Normally (with hoary) the deb installed the rpm automagically
[10:28] <crimsun> occy: that's non-free
[10:28] <occy> crimsun, the darker blue one
[10:28] <occy> crimsun, really?
[10:28] <domenique> when i do a startx it says : /usr/lib/gnome-2.so.0 : wrong ELF header ? and when gdm tries to start it givesz a seg fault ? anyone ????
[10:28] <will_> Can someone point me in the direction of how i would stop ath0 starting on startup? Checked google, help wiki etc. and can't find anything!
[10:28] <mohkohn> all you typed was apt-get install realplayer
[10:28] <crimsun> occy: that's why the Debian tarball ships the Debian skin as the default. Read README.Debian
[10:28] <Xenguy> I am getting this error on the login screen...
[10:28] <Xenguy> "Configuration is not correct The configuration file contains an invalid command line for the login dialog, so running the default command.  Please fix your configuration."
[10:29] <Christophe971> is there someone there who can DCC send me a i386 breezy live/install DVD ?
[10:29] <Rev-Marc> Someone said to edit "xorg.conf" to turnoff my touchpad but I don't know how to do that, please help
[10:29] <something_else> hmm gnome-volume-manager thinks my hard disk is not removable
[10:29] <Xenguy> How can I fix the error above?
[10:29] <something_else> well I can see why
[10:29] <occy> crimsun, ahhh, well, I've already been "inspired" by it.
[10:29] <occy> :)
[10:29] <crimsun> P8ntKid: that would explain why dmix doesn't work
[10:29] <crimsun> occy: whatever works :-)
[10:29] <occy> crimsun, I can't unsee a thing.
[10:29] <P8ntKid> crimsun: What should i do then?
[10:29] <occy> hehe
[10:29] <crimsun> P8ntKid: close XMMS
[10:29] <Christophe971> is there someone there who can DCC send me a i386 breezy live/install DVD ?
[10:29] <stevencarson> how do i burn files to cd from command line pleeeeeez?  breezy has broken my gui
[10:30] <dseomn> how do I use the new oem installer seed?
[10:30] <domenique> when i do a startx it says : /usr/lib/gnome-2.so.0 : wrong ELF header ? and when gdm tries to start it givesz a seg fault ? anyone plz ?
[10:30] <stevencarson> must do fresh install rather than upgrade
[10:30] <crimsun> dseomn: there are instructions in the announcement
[10:30] <dseomn> crimsun: thanks, I'll look again
[10:30] <Christophe971> stevencarson: have you done a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[10:30] <topyli> virgule: it's all configurable of course. my .bashrc: http://siltala.net/comp/bashrc . hack away! :)
[10:30] <P8ntKid> crimsun: I did,
[10:31] <stevencarson> Christoph - yes xserver is not there
[10:31] <Kleggas> I installed breezy today and can't login to TLS protected ftp's (like my own) with lftp. could do that on hoary out of the box I think. any package needed?
[10:31] <stevencarson> my upgrade via synaptic failed half way thru
[10:31] <jas_> crimsun did you forget about me again :(
[10:31] <concept10> Is there a way to interact with uboto from outside of irc?
[10:32] <budluva> stevencarson, i tried upgrade via synaptic yesterday, stalled on libc6
[10:32] <gino> check /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:32] <marsh> ubotu - how come I run the script & the machine still reports a 'read only file system'?
[10:32] <ubotu> marsh: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[10:32] <crimsun> jas_: no, I'm very busy
[10:32] <Feral_Kid> In 5.10, does the multiverse repoistory still exist?
[10:32] <budluva> stevencarson, change your sources.list to read breezy instead of hoary apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:32] <topyli> virgule: correction: http://siltala.net/comp/dot-bashrc
[10:32] <crimsun> Feral_Kid: yes
[10:32] <jas_> crimsun Sorry I just had to joke with ya hehe
[10:32] <budluva> stevencarson, upgrade via apt worked great
[10:32] <crimsun> jas_: did you post it on a Web site?
[10:32] <marsh> i just ran the winmac_fstab... but the filesystem is still read only... :(
[10:32] <concept10> nalioth, you awake?
[10:32] <stevencarson> budluva: tried that and libesd0 is not being found
[10:33] <jas_> crimsun I don't know a place that I could put the file on the web...
[10:33] <stevencarson> budluva: nothing will install
[10:33] <Feral_Kid> crimsun: Where can I find that in the wiki so I can see what to add...
[10:33] <zcat[1] > marsh: unmount and mount it again, so it uses the new fstab options?
[10:33] <marsh> i have to update anything?
[10:33] <budluva> stevencarson, dont know what to tell you my upgrade worked fine
[10:33] <crimsun> Feral_Kid: wiki.ubuntu.com?
[10:33] <Christophe971> stevencarson: have you done a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[10:33] <stevencarson> just want to back up  my files now and do fresh install
[10:33] <budluva> except now updating while servers are been slammed was not a good idea :P
[10:33] <Christophe971> stevencarson: Xcuse
[10:33] <Christophe971> is there someone there who can DCC send me a i386 breezy live/install DVD ?
[10:33] <Christophe971> francois: yo le francais
[10:33] <francois> yo
[10:33] <budluva> Christophe971, whats wrong with the torrent?
[10:33] <Davey> infernall, still around?
[10:34] <P8ntKid> crimsun: What should i do now?
[10:34] <gino> plait
[10:34] <Christophe971> budluva: i can't find it
[10:34] <francois> lu tt le monde
[10:34] <stevencarson> does anybody know how to burn home dir to cd from command line?
[10:34] <domenique> when i do a startx it says : /usr/lib/gnome-2.so.0 : wrong ELF header ? and when gdm tries to start it givesz a seg fault ? anyone plz ??
[10:34] <Juhaz> Christophe971, the dvd isn't out yet, takes a week or so
[10:34] <Christophe971> Juhaz: okayyy
[10:34] <budluva> dvd is out
[10:34] <Christophe971> arf
[10:34] <Christophe971> 2/1
[10:34] <Christophe971> out/in
[10:34] <telonir> how can i tell "screen" to open 4 "consoles" with specific progs running in them?
[10:34] <Christophe971> budluva: give me a url, all url i'm watching is without dvd
[10:35] <teimu> hi #ubuntu, i just loaded up the live CD, but before i could connect to the net, i had to configure my ethernet card with IPv4 (it only gave me IPv6 by default). im wondering tho, is a way to do this from the command line? i used the little 'configure
[10:35] <Christophe971> teimu: yes
[10:35] <Christophe971> telonir: yes
[10:35] <bonvenon> does anyone know why my synaptics touchpad don't work if I don't configure my usb mouse as /dev/input/mice ?
[10:35] <will_> arghhhh how can it be so hard just to stop ath0 starting at bootup, windows can do it in two clicks :(
[10:35] <budluva> breezy-dvd-i386.iso.torrent    12-Oct-2005 20:14   57K  Install/live DVD for PC (Intel x86) computers (BitTorrent download)
[10:35] <gino> teimu netcardconfig
[10:35] <telonir> yes?
[10:35] <Christophe971> budluva: where
[10:36] <Hughie> how come when i go to donwload something in synaptics it says rate is unknown and it never downloads?
[10:36] <mwe> will_: did you look into /etc/network/interfaces?
[10:36] <mcphail> Hughie: today is not a good day for downloading
[10:36] <budluva> hrmm, seems to be a daily build but should be considered final
[10:36] <budluva> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/dvd/current/?C=M;O=A
[10:36] <Davey> if I currently had ubuntu-desktop installed, do I need to do as the wiki says and reinstall it?
[10:36] <Hughie> oh okay, must be why thne ^^
[10:36] <Hughie> thats hat i wondered
[10:36] <amortal> Where should one file potential fs / kernel bugs?
[10:36] <Hughie> thanks
[10:36] <crimsun> will_: remove the auto ath0 line
[10:37] <will_> mwe: yes, I've commented out the ath0 but it didn't do it
[10:37] <topyli> stevencarson: you could install the "burn" package, or just use this script: http://siltala.net/comp/burndir.sh
[10:37] <hubuntu> anyone: is there a list over synced repositories for breezy update from hoary?
[10:37] <Rev-Marc> is the 64bit dvd torrent file available and if so where can I get it?
[10:37] <crimsun> P8ntKid: what's the issue?
[10:37] <teimu> gino, apparently, netcardconfig is not a recognized command
[10:37] <graabein> guys, how do i find conflicting packages that is mention in the pre-upgrade part of the wiki?
[10:37] <jas_> crimsun I don't know a place that I could put the file on the web...
[10:37] <P8ntKid> crimsun: remember, i cant get the sound to work when xmms is open.
[10:37] <will_> it says mapping hotplug, script grep, map ath0 and i've commented all <--- that out
[10:38] <crimsun> jas_: e-mail it to crimsunkg at yahoo
[10:38] <P8ntKid> crimsun: I also cant get the sound to work at all with the firefox mplayerplugin
[10:38] <foxiness> can i use smartlink on breezy ?
[10:38] <topyli> stevencarson: oh, let me rename it so it will display right in your browser
[10:38] <marsh> obotu - sorry mate... possibly need a bit of handholding... still no joy on reading the ntfs - could i be having problems because it's a USB drive?
[10:38] <telonir> any ideasa?
[10:38] <topyli> http://siltala.net/comp/burndir-shell-txt
[10:39] <foxiness> i want to upgrade but if it broken i can not access the internet anyone?
[10:39] <topyli> stevencarson: ^^
[10:39] <topyli> foxiness: you can use the cd if you can get it on another machine
[10:39] <Davey> oooh, forget Gnome 2.12, theres a new version of Tux-Racer! :)
[10:39] <something_else> I forgot who I was talking to earlier, but it seems gnome-volume-manager doesnt automount if its not "removable"
[10:39] <grndslm> is it possible to speed up the upload on gnome-btdownload????  it won't go above 33kbps and I've got quite a bit more than that
[10:39] <jas_> crimsun: k I sent it.
[10:40] <Rev-Marc> is the 64bit dvd torrent file available and if so where can I get it?
[10:40] <marsh> obotu - you still about? or you given up on me
[10:40] <marsh> ?
[10:40] <MFen> all the upgrade instructions i've seen say "change hoary to breezy and run update; dist-upgrade".. but frankly the archive and mirrors are pretty overloaded and that'll take forever, regardless.  i got the entire install cd, isn't there an easy way to upgrade off of that?
[10:40] <teimu> sorry to repeat myself, but is there a way to configure your netword card on the command line?
[10:40] <something_else> yes there is
[10:40] <gelberg> just upgraded to breezy - kaffeine now won't play dvds, says "no decoders found to handle stream, might need to install corresponding plugins". do have libdvdcss2 installed.
[10:40] <teimu> enlighten me
[10:40] <something_else> ifconfig
[10:40] <something_else> iwconfig for wireless
[10:40] <something_else> and route
[10:40] <TFP> hi
[10:40] <something_else> of course dhclient for dhcp
[10:41] <TFP> how can i look which partitions i have in my computer?
[10:41] <something_else> df
[10:41] <something_else> no wait
[10:41] <MFen> teimu: well, the more debian way would be "man interfaces; vi /etc/network/interfaces" and ifdown/up to suit
[10:41] <Knorrie> marsh: obotu is a bot
[10:41] <MFen> teimu: this is essentially what the gui widget does, though
[10:41] <something_else> try fdisk -l
[10:41] <topyli> TFP: sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda for example
[10:41] <bimberi> TFP: sudo fdisk -l
[10:41] <TFP> thx
[10:41] <gelberg> perhaps i should try #kubuntu
[10:42] <Tyler> i cant get 3d working, its on mesa, i installed the ati drivers and configured them, it says ati in xorg.conf and i set it to ati in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:42] <P8ntKid> Can anybody help me with some sound problems? I cant get the sound to work with the mplayer plugin thing with firefox period. But i can get the sound to work if i download videos and play them in totem or xine if XMMS is closed.
[10:42] <something_else> how do I get hold of banshee
[10:42] <teimu> ok. thanks for the help =)
[10:42] <mensur> i have found a small bug in console i 5.10 =)
[10:42] <Patrik88> why run comands with sudo before???? anyone
[10:42] <topyli> Tyler: the ati driver is the open source one. you probably want fglrx or whatever it is
[10:42] <mensur> but quite distrubring
[10:42] <bimberi> Patrik88: to get superuser privs
[10:43] <jas_> Patrik88 Its super user do its like root.
[10:43] <Tyler> no i installed my ati dirvers off ati.com
[10:43] <marsh> Aaahhhh.... Anyone know anything about writing to NTFS?
[10:43] <crimsun> P8ntKid: add "ao=esd" to /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[10:43] <topyli> Tyler: but you're not using it
[10:43] <bimberi> ubotu tell Patrik88 about rootsudo
[10:43] <Tyler> i also installed fglrx btw from synpatic
[10:43] <ddd2> Does Ubuntu run on imac G5??
[10:43] <crimsun> jas_: I'll be quite lagged for a bit; telephone
[10:43] <Patrik88> thx
[10:43] <will_> any other ideas for disabling ath0 other than /etc/network/interfaces?
[10:43] <jas_> crimsun: Okay no worries.
[10:43] <bimberi> Patrik88: yw :)
[10:43] <graabein> breezy (sound): Audio Managment and Playback application [universe] 
[10:43] <Tyler> topyli, so how do i use it?
[10:43] <ktogias> Patrik88: We have no privilege to run it as normal users...
[10:43] <miksu> cool 40 % upgrade
[10:43] <coz> is there a specific topic this evening or can we just bring something up?
[10:43] <mensur> marsh, there is a company which has developed a software which you can write to ntfs
[10:44] <Knorrie> marsh: no ntfs writing from linux
[10:44] <Loevborg> Damn, how do I burn an ISO using k3b or gnome's cd creator?
[10:44] <graabein> something_else, looks like it's in breezy universe
[10:44] <P8ntKid> crimsun: Its allready like that.
[10:44] <CPUnerd> what's up with imagemagik php library in ubuntu ? Doesn't respect the clipping path ?
[10:44] <topyli> Tyler: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. then choose the fglrx driver when asked, otherwise keep hitting enter
[10:44] <Patrik88> bimberi: yw??
[10:44] <marsh> Knorrie - why do others tell me there is... I'm getting mixed messages... :(
[10:44] <something_else> graabein, ill have a look cheers
[10:44] <Rev-Marc> is the 64bit dvd torrent file available and if so where can I get it?
[10:44] <mensur> has anyone more found any bug in console????
[10:44] <bimberi> Patrik88: you're welcome :)
[10:44] <Tyler> topyli, last time i had ati i chose ATi off that list and it worked fine, why do i need to choose fglrx?
[10:44] <Patrik88> oh, hehe sry
[10:45] <bimberi> :)
[10:45] <Knorrie> marsh: perhaps there are tools that allow some things, but its very experimental
[10:45] <mwright1night> Has anyone here used edubuntu?
[10:45] <marsh> mensur - you know who they are (the NTFS)?
[10:45] <miksu> loevberg in terminal, cdrecord *.iso dev/cdr01
[10:45] <Knorrie> marsh: M$
[10:45] <budluva> so nvidia-glx doesnt support tnt2/mach64 anymore? its now nvidia-glx-legacy?
[10:45] <something_else> bloody hell archives is slow
[10:45] <mcquaid> ok i'm trying to compile a kde app and getting:
[10:45] <mwright1night> How can I find out if edubuntu has a package called  TeachersPet or "Teachers Pet"
[10:45] <Rev-Marc> :(
[10:45] <mcquaid> configure: error: Set $QTDIR to the Qt directory, eg. /usr/lib/qt3
[10:45] <mcquaid> but i have the dev libs installed
[10:45] <topyli> Tyler: that's the proprietary, accelerated driver. it may be broken at any time, be aware of that, but that's the way with some video chip manufacturers who don't contribute free drivers for us
[10:46] <coz>  I have PCI, not agp nvidia fx 5200 how can I make this work in ubuntu breezy??
[10:46] <shinu> Loevborg: in k3b its in tools > cd
[10:46] <shinu> i think
[10:46] <amortal> Rev-Marc: http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/5.10/
[10:46] <Knorrie> marsh: so you risk losing all data when using them
[10:46] <MFen> mwright1night: from the system administration menu, bring up synaptic package manager, and search for something like "teachers"
[10:46] <jrr> the /. publicity is great, but the apt server load isn't -\
[10:46] <jrr> * =\
[10:46] <crimsun> mcquaid: you need to use --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3
[10:46] <Tyler> grr i cantg get my ati dirvers to work, its set on mesa for some reas
[10:46] <Tyler> reason*
[10:46] <P8ntKid> crimsun: The sound doesnt play at all in firefox. IT plays in mplayer/zine/totem/nautrun outside of firefox when XMMS is closed.
[10:46] <Rev-Marc> amortal Thank You and God ZBless
[10:47] <mensur> does anyone else get this error when writing in console cd..  bash: cd..: command not found
[10:47] <Knorrie> mensur: use a space
[10:47] <mcquaid> crimsun, ok but i never had to do that before in hoary, just needed the libs
[10:47] <crimsun> P8ntKid: file a bug
[10:47] <Knorrie> mensur: cd ..
[10:47] <Loevborg> shinu, why the deuce didn't I find that? thansk.
[10:47] <mensur> Knorrie, will try
[10:47] <Blippe> marsh: there are two tools which i am aware of, but both of them r very experimental: http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/status.html
[10:47] <mensur> thanx
[10:47] <mcquaid> or is it becuase i have qt3 and not qt4?
[10:47] <shinu> Loevborg: very well hidden isnt it? :)
[10:47] <crimsun> P8ntKid: http://launchpad.net/malone
[10:47] <Knorrie> mensur: cd.. works in dos, in unix cd is an external command
[10:47] <Davey> I have breezy! now for the reboot :D
[10:47] <bonvenon> can anyone help me get _both_ my synaptics touchpad and wacom tablet working simultaneously?
[10:47] <_jason> whats the command to see what version you have?
[10:47] <P8ntKid> crimsun: People allready have. Alot of people on the forums have the problem but havent fixed it either.
[10:47] <shinu> Loevborg: i only know because a few days ago i had the same problem and had to google around :P
[10:47] <daved> i have automake-1.4 and automake-1.7 binaries installed.. what's the approved method of letting an autogen.sh script know which one to use?
[10:48] <crimsun> P8ntKid: then there's nothing more we can do atm
[10:48] <jrr> are there *other* primary apt sources (or perhaps is us.archive.ubuntu a round-robin?)
[10:48] <crimsun> jrr: topic
[10:48] <|AmaTeuR|> get configure error "can't find x includes", how can i solve that/
[10:48] <|AmaTeuR|> ?
[10:48] <crimsun> |AmaTeuR|: install libx11-dev
[10:48] <crimsun> daved: set the alternative
[10:48] <LokeDK> where's ssh logs located? there's like nothing with ssh in /var/log/messages
[10:48] <crimsun> daved: man update-alternatives
[10:48] <|AmaTeuR|> crimsun:already installed
[10:48] <crimsun> LokeDK: /var/log/daemon.log
[10:49] <Tyler> how can i prevent it from saying its mesa? i installed the ati drivers right and set it to ati in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and installed all the fglrx stuff off synaptic
[10:49] <graabein> guys, how do i find conflicting packages that is mentioned in the pre-upgrade part of the wiki?
[10:49] <crimsun> |AmaTeuR|: then it's looking for something specific, which is an extension, which means configure.in is broken and needs to be updated
[10:49] <topyli> Tyler: which card do you have? my radeon 9200 on my work box freezes the whole box with the fglrx driver
[10:49] <MFen> Blippe and marsh: linux-ntfs is very experimental. there's another one which is not.
[10:50] <crimsun> captive ntfs
[10:50] <bonvenon> anyone?
[10:50] <Tyler> topyli, i have a radeon 9200 as well
[10:50] <Tyler> topyli, i just tried the fglrx and it still says its mesa
[10:50] <mcquaid> crimsun i tried: ./configure --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3 but still get: configure: error: Set $QTDIR to the Qt directory, eg. /usr/lib/qt3
[10:50] <MFen> yeah, that was the name. thanks, crimsun
[10:50] <mcquaid> also tried ./configure --prefix=/usr --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3
[10:50] <Rev-Marc> What is "Jigdo" and is it faster or better that "Bittorent"?
[10:50] <topyli> Tyler: you're luckier than i am, my box is unusable if i boot x with this driver :)
[10:50] <crimsun> mcquaid: --prefix is where you want to install the package. You don't want to do that.
[10:50] <virgule> I such a weirdo --Im used to Hoary +kubuntu-desktop but I get tired of it. So I installed Kubuntu from scratch and found myself installing ubuntu-desktop..oh yeah..
[10:51] <Tyler> topyli, eh not really cuz it doesnt work :( i need 3d
[10:51] <crimsun> virgule: that's not weird at all. Next you get to try xubuntu-desktop.
[10:51] <mcquaid> ok i thought so thats why i tried that second
[10:51] <eracerbit> topyli: fglrx crashes me too
[10:51] <topyli> Tyler: just buy a matrox card like linux users have done always =)
[10:51] <MFen> Rev-Marc: i've never succeeded in using jigdo, but i can tell you that what you get isn't the same as what you'll download from bittorrent. i recommend bittorrent.
[10:51] <virgule> what is it?
[10:51] <horza> why cant i get fluxbox with apt-get?
[10:51] <crimsun> virgule: Xfce
[10:51] <Jemt> Greetings. Why can't I use 'http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/' as source for my backports any more ?
[10:51] <MFen> Rev-Marc: bittorrent is very fast, particularly now when everyone's using it
[10:51] <Jemt> I have also tried 'http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/'
[10:51] <daved> crimsun: thanks :)
[10:51] <crimsun> mcquaid: I presume you have libqt3-mt-dev installed?
[10:52] <TylerDurden> so can anyone PLEASE help me get rid of mesa?
[10:52] <bimberi> Jemt: it's been discontinued
[10:52] <Syrra> hello
[10:52] <topyli> Jemt: mirrormax is dead
[10:52] <graabein> hmmmm think i'll wait a couple days to dist-upgrade
[10:52] <mcquaid> crimsun, yes
[10:52] <graabein> later
[10:52] <Jemt> bimberi: But I can access 'http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/' using a browser
[10:52] <virgule> I love that one :) If only the font could be as nice as in KDE --That are sooooo BIG in GNOME and Xfce I stopped using these two. Lowering the sizes on help until I use a KDE apps then trhe fonts are microscopics.
[10:52] <bimberi> Jemt: yes, but it's probably empty, or the files to work with apt are no longer there
[10:53] <mcquaid> i've compiled a few kde apps in the past with hoary without issue
[10:53] <horza> anyone know how to install fluxbox? cant get it from apt-get :/
[10:53] <will_> what other network files are there other than /etc/network/interfaces that could be starting ath0 at startup please?
[10:53] <crimsun> mcquaid: do you have qt3-dev-tools-compat installed?
[10:53] <Rev-Marc> MFen thank You I still can't find a torrent file for the DVD releases the last website someone gave me only had the CD
[10:53] <Jemt> bimberi: What do I do then ?
[10:53] <Syrra> I've forgotten what the off topic channel is, could I have the channel name again please?
[10:53] <BockBilbo> hello
[10:53] <crimsun> mcquaid: and qt3-dev-tools?
[10:53] <bimberi> jemt use the official backports
[10:53] <Jemt> bimberi: Ubunto is nothing worth to me without backports
[10:53] <virgule> horza: do you have universe enable?
[10:53] <MFen> Rev-Marc: ah. well, i don't know about the dvd. i'm sure it's out there somewhere. i downloaded the cd torrent this morning.
[10:53] <bimberi> ubotu tell Jemt about backports
[10:53] <horza> virgule, il check
[10:53] <Jemt> bimberi: Are you talking about Universe and Multiverse ?
[10:53] <Rev-Marc> I have several computers in the Youth room that do not have internet
[10:53] <mcquaid> crimsun, yep
[10:53] <frankg> What's the default user for ubuntu - latest edition?
[10:53] <Jemt> bimberi: Oh, great!
[10:54] <Jemt> Thanks alot, bimberi
[10:54] <frankg> user/pass
[10:54] <cusco> hi im running the live cd... how do I check wich process is using port 80 ??
[10:54] <crimsun> frankg: whatever you configure it to be
[10:54] <bimberi> Jemt: no, and yw :)
[10:54] <eliphas_> any backport yet?
[10:54] <infernall> cusco, netstat -an --tcp | grep 80
[10:54] <frankg> crimsun, I'm using the live CD
[10:54] <crimsun> eliphas_: no.
[10:54] <gloria> my super hipebolic thermonuclear reactor computer has taken over my home comands and doesn't let me out
[10:54] <wRd> my ubuntu regularly freezes and then produced a a "ata command 0x35 timeout" the satamodule is "sata_via" ? does anyone know how to get rid of this problem?
[10:54] <BockBilbo> i need some help, just upgraded my server to breezy, and now cant connect to the mysql db of the server from my laptop. Ive checked the iptables config, and im using the script i used in hoary (that worked) and ive also checked if the mysql user for the laptop still exists, and it does..
[10:54] <crimsun> frankg: ubuntu/
[10:54] <eliphas_> thanks crimsun
[10:54] <BockBilbo> any idea?
[10:54] <infernall> cusco, nm, didnt read that right
[10:54] <horza> virgule, i didnt, testing now
[10:54] <topyli> horza: fluxbox is in universe
[10:54] <infernall> cusco, it may show something
[10:54] <frankg> crimsun, trying...
[10:54] <RustyJames> hello there i need a program that reminds me of birthdays. e.g. when i startup the system. iI would prefer something that reads the birthdays of the evolution data. any Ideas?
[10:54] <virgule> horza; run apt-get update before trying :)
[10:55] <horza> hehe
[10:55] <barnes_> I am having trouble connecting to the iternet on Breezy. I have a Dlink DWL 520. I tried getting it to work on the live version, and havn't tried installing it yet, cna anyone help?
[10:55] <MFen> RustyJames: i kinda like sunbird, but i have no idea if it integrates with Evolution (or even whether it's in breezy)
[10:55] <Syrra> the.. off topic channel ?
[10:55] <cusco> infernall: it shows the following:
[10:55] <cusco> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ netstat -an --tcp | grep 80
[10:55] <cusco> tcp       53      0 192.168.1.101:33686     69.60.123.180:21        CLOSE_WAIT
[10:55] <MFen> sunbird has the advantage of being ics compliant
[10:55] <infernall> cusco, so nothing is using 80
[10:55] <cusco> er
[10:55] <topyli> Syrra: #ubuntu-offtopic, would you believe :)
[10:56] <virgule> If  I stop apt-get from instaling 238 packages would it resume where it stopped If I run the command again?
[10:56] <Syrra> well, I wasn't sure. Thank you topyli
[10:56] <MFen> topyli: boy does that sound like a recipe for abuse
[10:56] <barnes_> I am having trouble connecting to the iternet on Breezy. I have a Dlink DWL 520. I tried getting it to work on the live version, and havn't tried installing it yet, cna anyone help?
[10:56] <frankg> crimsun, ubuntu login screen says:  incorrect username and password.  must be typed with correct case.
[10:56] <RustyJames> MFen, does Sunbird have such a birthday reminder?
[10:56] <concept10> who maintains ubotu?
 [main]  error opening source socket! FATAL ERROR! Some other process is using this port!
[10:56] <jas_> crimsun: You forget about me now hehe :P
[10:56] <bimberi> virgule: yes
[10:56] <MFen> RustyJames: it's a general calendaring app, it has all the usual calendar stuff
[10:56] <cusco> infernall: <10/13/05@20:56:13> [main]  error opening source socket! FATAL ERROR! Some other process is using this port!
[10:56] <infernall> cusco, apache?
[10:56] <cusco> infernall: no :|
[10:56] <concept10> !wiki dlink520
[10:56] <barnes_> I am having trouble connecting to the iternet on Breezy. I have a Dlink DWL 520. I tried getting it to work on the live version, and havn't tried installing it yet, cna anyone help?
[10:56] <RustyJames> MFen, its part of the Mozilla products isnt it?
[10:56] <horza> virgule: thanks :D
[10:57] <bimberi> concept10: cafuego
[10:57] <infernall> cusco, what is it?
[10:57] <concept10> barnes_, goto the wiki
[10:57] <Skid> anyone notice that breezy changes your iface name?
[10:57] <MFen> RustyJames: yes, a relatively new one
[10:57] <crimsun> jas_: no, I just haven't had time to download the file
[10:57] <Skid> my wifi adapter now is eth2? :p
[10:57] <horza> virgule: im new to ubuntu, and i liked it :D
[10:57] <concept10> bimberi, he maintains it?
[10:57] <barnes_> Thanks concept10
[10:57] <jas_> crimsun: Ahhh gotcha Its okay I was updating some steam files anyways.
[10:57] <crimsun> frankg: ubuntu/  <-- this means the username is "ubuntu", and there is no password.
[10:57] <bimberi> concept10: i guess so, it runs on his server
[10:58] <frankg> crimsun, that's what I entered
[10:58] <cusco> infernall: its the shoutcast server
[10:58] <concept10> bimberi, okay, thanks
[10:58] <cusco> infernall: I would like to use port 80 instead of the default 8000
[10:58] <wRd> or is there are quick way to prove wheter the harddrive is not working ?
[10:58] <bimberi> concept10: yw :)
[10:58] <horza> virgule, is aterm in universe too?
[10:58] <RustyJames> MFen, but does it have this birthday functionallity? I searched this feature in Evolution but it doesnt seem to have it.
[10:58] <horza> tried to comile it from source, didnt want to
[10:58] <topyli> !info aterm
[10:58] <ubotu> aterm: (Afterstep XVT - a VT102 emulator for the X window system), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 0.4.2-11 (breezy), Packaged size: 89 kB, Installed size: 280 kB
[10:58] <infernall> cusco, sorry im just going home from work now.  i do have a few shoutcast servers, and I know changing the port is a PITA
[10:59] <virgule> horza: you can use apt-cache search packagename to find out ;)
[10:59] <horza> :D
[10:59] <concept10> cafuego, I have a idea..could i pm you?
[10:59] <MFen> RustyJames: what specifically do you mean?
[10:59] <infernall> cusco, make sure shoutcast encoder and sc_serv are using different ports... like 81 and 80
[10:59] <cusco> PITA??
[10:59] <infernall> server on 80 of course
[10:59] <infernall> pain in the a..
[10:59] <petterah> hi, if i install ubuntu as server profile, and then kde-core, will i have default kde look then?
[10:59] <infernall> anyways, im leaving work now.
[10:59] <cusco> infernall: yes they are
[11:00] <cusco> infernall: Im sure if I change the portbase it will work
[11:00] <infernall> good luck, try the nullsoft forums...
[11:00] <lymz> i think keyringmanager messed up my password, anyway i can reset it?
[11:00] <MFen> arghwtftmi
[11:00] <MFen> why is it removing apt-file?
[11:00] <MFen> dang it.
[11:00] <RustyJames> MFen, some function that uses the birthday dates i already entered in evolution and then reminds me on the day of birthday and perhaps a few days ahead.
[11:01] <lampshade> #ubuntu your my only friends
[11:01] <virgule> oooh
[11:01] <MFen> RustyJames: it can do that, but i don't know if it integrates with evolution, as i said
[11:01] <crimsun> frankg: what are you trying to do?
[11:01] <virgule> I love my computer: fetched 255kb is 1s (118kb/s)
[11:02] <MFen> argh. screw it. there's no way i'm going to upgrade today
[11:02] <MFen> later all
[11:02] <frankg> crimsun, I was looking around and chose new login from a menu - it logged me out - I'm trying to log back in
[11:02] <RustyJames> MFen, ok Thank you, that would be what i searched for.
[11:02] <wRd> why does the kernel load sata_via even if its not in /etc/modules and it has no dependencies ,where can i change to some kind of generic driver?
[11:03] <RustyJames> MFen, I will try it.
[11:03] <MFen> cool
[11:03] <Crube> Does anyone have any guide I could use for creating an ssh server for irssi to my computer?
[11:03] <jrattner1> have installention DVD torents been released yet?
[11:04] <wrabbit> Is it possible to play dvds in ubuntu?
[11:04] <lampshade> Crube:  apt-get install openssh ?
[11:04] <Knorrie> wrabbit: vlc
[11:04] <lampshade> wrabbit:  Yes with VLC
[11:04] <mcquaid> anyone try to compile a qt app in breezy?
[11:04] <Crube> lampshade I've installed it, but I just dont knoiw how to use it :D
[11:04] <lancer285> can someone help me, my sound quit working
[11:04] <nybble> hmm... someone help me. i cant seem to log in to the wiki
[11:04] <barnes_> Turns out that my wireless card is the one that is next to impossible to set up.
[11:04] <wrabbit> lampshade, Knorrie I have it installed but can't figure out how to use it
[11:04] <Crube> jrattner1 ubuntu is single cd. No need for dvd
[11:04] <barnes_> I was planning on gettting a new one anyways.
[11:05] <TylerDurden> sigh please someone help me. how come i cant get 3d working? my ati is set on vesa for some reason even though i installed the drivers from ati and set fglrxconfig right+dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xrog is set on ati
[11:05] <wrabbit> lampshade, Knorrie ... feel like giving me a quick hand?
[11:05] <Knorrie> wrabbit: menu File -> Open disk?
[11:05] <lampshade> wrabbit:  It should just be a matter of putting the dvd in and launching the Dvd from the FIle menu
[11:05] <jrattner1> Crube, really, ahh good to know... Are the torrents running fast?
[11:05] <crimsun> TylerDurden: dpkg -l \*mesa\*|grep ^ii
[11:05] <crimsun> TylerDurden: then remove those packages
[11:05] <Crube> TylerDurden try installing the drivers when xserver is not running.
[11:05] <TylerDurden> how crimsun ?
[11:06] <lancer285> My sound stopped working after a reboot. The music 'plays' the games work, but no sound outta the speakers. I made sure the audio cable was still plugged into the comp. any ideas?
[11:06] <Crube> jrattner1 been running smoothly all day
[11:06] <jrattner1> Damn traffic is killing it : )
[11:06] <crimsun> lancer285: paste amixer output onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:06] <jrattner1> Crube, hmm good
[11:06] <TylerDurden> crimsun, how do i remove those?
[11:06] <nderjm_> TiMiDo: The driver didnt work for me.  My graphics care is not one of those that needs that driver.  And the laptop worked fine with Hoary without a special driver
[11:06] <virgule> ..speaking torrents.. I have a couple Gig left unused I thought I could host something to help..
[11:07] <lancer285> crimsun, I get there w/ a webbrowser?
[11:07] <jrattner1> us.releases.ubuntu.com must be under a ton of stress, the pages wont even load :  )
[11:07] <wrabbit> lampshade, Knorrie : I've tried open disc but it doesn't auto load and there're a bunch of options that make no sense
[11:07] <Crube> TylerDurden I had ALOT trouble with ati drivers, and this is the guide that worked for me http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557
[11:07] <miksu> what is the terminal command for entering root mode
[11:07] <Kyral> sudo -i
[11:07] <TiMiDo> miksu: sudo
[11:07] <TylerDurden> Crube, thanks ill try that
[11:07] <Loevborg> miksu, "sudo -s"
[11:07] <tristanmike> sudo -s\
[11:07] <Guennarr> Hello everyone.
[11:07] <tristanmike> *sudo -s
[11:08] <ubuntu__> so what
[11:08] <Knorrie> wrabbit: open file -> browse -> open the .vob
[11:08] <Kyral> sudo -i is better
[11:08] <barnes_> What do you reccomend as a wireless card? (wireless g card)
[11:08] <lampshade> wrabbit:  Ummm for a  normal DVD just do open disc dvd with menus.  and OK it should go  is it some special DVD or something?  A vcd?
[11:08] <Kyral> it fully inits a root environment
[11:08] <Guennarr> Can anyone help me with installation problems concerning X-org?
[11:08] <Loevborg> Kyral, they differ in changing $HOME resp. not?
[11:08] <lancer285> crimsun, I have a bigger problem it seems. I can't see any fonts in Firefox
[11:08] <Kyral> Loevborg, thats what I can see ;P
[11:09] <ubuntu__> how to activate dlink dwl122 please
[11:09] <Crube> Guennarr depends on the problem
[11:09] <stuart_> hi everyone, has anybody got breezy to work with an ATI X850 XT card with 3d acceleration?
[11:09] <wrabbit> lampshade, nope.. just a normal dvd
[11:09] <jrattner1> Where is the torrent for downloading i386, i cant locate a link due to high traffic on the web site
[11:09] <jas_> crimsun: Sorry I messed up did you say something to me in the last ohh 5-10 minutes?
[11:09] <miksu> and back to standard user?
[11:09] <wrabbit> Knorrie, where is the .vob file?  Can't find the dvd rom folde
[11:09] <wrabbit> r
[11:09] <Crube> stuart_ for you too this is the ONLY guide that workder for my ati card http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557
[11:09] <rkd> Is it possible to retheme the colour of the desktop background and the little "ubuntu" box, the ones that come up between logging in with gdm and having the desktop background image loaded?
[11:09] <ubuntu__> dwl122 please
[11:09] <lancer285> Hey guys, I can't see any fonts on websites w/ Firefox after upgrading to Breezy
[11:10] <Guennarr> Hello Crube, thanks! I just installed 5.10, chose a low graphics resolution (1024 * 768, the default value), but there are just flashing colours after the reboot.
[11:10] <ry> Question, does the new 5.10 release support MP3
[11:10] <lampshade> wrabbit:  hrmmmmmm  I've seen VLC not work once before randomly on a DVD...  does anyone know does Totem play dvd's I dont remember?  I would see if you can play it with totem if you have that installed?  Usually VLC works perfectly
[11:10] <lancer285> Well, I can't see any fonts in Firefox menus or anything either
[11:10] <jrattner1> Where is the torrent for downloading i386
[11:10] <sandollar> ry nope
[11:11] <jas_> crimsun: Sorry I messed up did you say something to me in the last ohh 5-10 minutes?
[11:11] <wrabbit> lampshade, I've been trying to get the dvd working for the past 13 hours.  Totem won't play em.  I'mj trying alternatives
[11:11] <lampshade> that's really weird...
[11:11] <ubuntu__> dwl122 please --------------------------------------????????????????
[11:11] <wrabbit> just installed all the multimedia codecs so it should work :(
[11:11] <miksu> so to compile, what file should i present to imake
[11:11] <stuart_> thanks Crube, I'll try it out :)
[11:11] <barnes_> What do you reccomend as a wireless card? (wireless g card)
[11:11] <dooglus> jrattner1: ftp://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.10/ubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso.torrent
[11:11] <MrMaDSeN> dammit .. only 60 Hz refresh rate.... how that might be
[11:11] <jrattner1> dooglus, thank you
[11:11] <karjala> Hi, I just learned about Ubuntu... I use Debian... Why do they say Ubuntu is targeted towards desktop  users? Is it not as good as debian for server uses for some reason?
[11:11] <dooglus> jrattner1: that's install, not live...
[11:11] <Knorrie> wrabbit: somewhere in /media?
[11:12] <hajiki> !tell hajiki about xinerama
[11:12] <sunsun> hi how do i get firefox to download more than 2 files at a time.  when i right click after starting 2 downloads it pauses before showing me the window
[11:12] <nderjm_> Anyone with an HP OmniBook 600 by any chance :|
[11:12] <concept10> wrabbit, what are you using totem-gstreamer?
[11:12] <jrattner1> dooglus, sounds good, is it running quick?
[11:12] <wrabbit> concept10, was.. then totem xine and neither work
[11:12] <ubuntu__> wie geht denn nun wlan mit dlink und dwl122, bitttttttttttee ???????
[11:12] <lampshade> karjala:  I would say they say it is more targeted for desktop users for the little things like automount, etc.  I mean Debian can do that, but Ubuntu does it automatically
[11:12] <ry> anyone try the new openSuse release
[11:12] <jrattner1> wrabbit, try mplayer + libdvdread
[11:12] <hajiki> !xinerama
[11:12] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, hajiki
[11:12] <Knorrie> sunsun: probably it's a limit set by the server
[11:12] <_jason> sunsun:  look at the settings in "about:config" that limit your max-connections
[11:12] <concept10> ubuntu__, wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:12] <barnes_> What do you reccomend as a wireless card? (wireless g card)
[11:12] <Davey> infernall, almost! Screens are on the wrong side, will just swap the plugs around :)
[11:13] <Guennarr> Anybody read what I said? I have that small problem, that I do not see any graphical interface after installation, just flashing colours. X-Server?!
[11:13] <dooglus> sunsun: set network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-server
[11:13] <dooglus> sunsun: (in about:config)
[11:13] <Davey> infernall, though is it possible to get 3D accelleration?
[11:13] <karjala> lampshade: so it's not worse than debian as a server?
[11:13] <ubuntu__> wlan dwl122 ######################
[11:14] <MrMaDSeN> anyone know to apt ati gfx drivers?
[11:14] <[_NimroD_] > i have a problem with my sound. on the session start screen starts a sound like a drumb and never stops, this is giving me problems... can anyone help me??
[11:14] <concept10> karjala, ubuntu uses newer packages,
[11:14] <Knorrie> karjala: yes it is
[11:14] <dooglus> sunsun: I think I might go to #firefox and ask a few ubuntu questions in a bit.  you coming?
[11:14] <jrattner1> MrMaDSeN, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI?highlight=%28fgl%29
[11:14] <StarKruzr> wooooo, Breezy is out!
[11:14] <crimsun> jas_: echo $LANG
[11:14] <concept10> ubuntu__, dont keep repeating your questions please goto the wiki, the information is there
[11:14] <miksu> I am a bit confused about compiling. got the adom-sage source in dir, but i don't know the command to compile..makefile is present
[11:14] <karjala> Knorrie: in what way is it worse? i'm considering using it...
[11:14] <lampshade> karjala:  Telly you the truth I've never used it as a server... but I'm not a hardcore serverer so you might be talking to the wrong guy for details on it.  Like I said it just seems like they made it to be a nice desktop experience for desktop users.  Warm brown colors, OpenOffice and other things ready to go, etc
[11:14] <dooglus> jrattner1: it's not running quick for me, but I can't port-forward 6881
[11:14] <telonir> i need to download multiple torrents from console .. which prog can do it ?
[11:14] <jas_> crimsun: echo $LANG?
[11:15] <Knorrie> karjala: ubuntu is like debian unstable
[11:15] <[_NimroD_] > i have a problem with my sound. on the session start screen starts a sound like a drumb and never stops, this is giving me problems... can anyone help me??
[11:15] <jrattner1> douglus im only getting 1.14K why would port fowarding help?
[11:15] <horza> virgule: is fluxbox supose to be so laggy in the start?
[11:15] <Knorrie> karjala: they put all things in it as soons as possible
[11:15] <Guennarr> Can anyone help me? I just tried to install Ubuntu 5.10, and X-Server completely screwed up! Second installation attempt, still just flashing colours, no log-in screen!!!
[11:15] <jas_> crimsun: It says en_US.UTF-8
[11:15] <horza> virgule, cant do anything
[11:15] <Knorrie> karjala: debian just works, always
[11:15] <lampshade> but don't take unstable to mean actually unstable I mean crap Nasa actually uses Ubuntu
[11:15] <karjala> Knorrie: I see... Thank you. I'll use it as a server.
[11:15] <jrattner1> Wow this room is like mayhem today, i never seen it so crazy
[11:15] <jrattner1> channel
[11:15] <MrMaDSeN> OMG servers are occupied :D
[11:15] <jrattner1> : )
[11:15] <Guennarr> Can anyone help me? I just tried to install Ubuntu 5.10, and X-Server completely screwed up! Second installation attempt, still just flashing colours, no log-in screen!!!
[11:16] <ry> exit
[11:16] <StarKruzr> _NimroD_ it sounds like there is a potential for your sound driver to be installed incorrectly.
[11:16] <concept10> double the people in here today
[11:16] <Knorrie> karjala: use 'it'? what? :)
[11:16] <gelberg> Knorrie, it's not quite like debian unstable. unstable isn't designed to be designed to be used by clueless users :)
[11:16] <[_NimroD_] > StarKruzr: i've installed it 5 times... the problem never disappear
[11:16] <sunsun> dooglus thanks alot
[11:16] <Guennarr> Can anyone help me? I just tried to install Ubuntu 5.10, and X-Server completely screwed up! Second installation attempt, still just flashing colours, no log-in screen!!!
[11:16] <gelberg> hmm
[11:16] <gelberg> s/designed to be//
[11:16] <gelberg> !tell Guennarr about repeat
[11:17] <crimsun> jas_: and what is the precise command you're typing in?
[11:17] <lampshade> lols
[11:17] <_jason> who was having font problems?
[11:17] <StarKruzr> [_NimroD_] , have you looked through the results from dmesg at all?
[11:17] <atila_sendil> hi and Happy Breezy Badger to all :-)
[11:17] <rodietze> hi! I've shipped 40 ubuntu cds, do I need to pay something?
[11:17] <atila_sendil> rodietze, nothing
[11:18] <felos_> Is anyone else getting errors when trying add Universe respositories in Breezy?
[11:18] <jrattner1> I wonder why ubuntu uses such weird names :  )
[11:18] <Guennarr> @ gelberg: maybe someone can give an answer or at least a tip where to find one? I do not even see gnome on my sreen after installation.
[11:18] <jas_> crimsun: mount -o loop DIABLO 2 PLAY CD.iso /mnt/diablo
[11:18] <rodietze> atila cool!! so I'll try to pas it to everybody around!!!! But are you sure? nor the chipping coast?
[11:18] <lancer285> crimsun, whats the link for the paste dump?
[11:18] <rodietze> shipping
[11:18] <atila_sendil> jrattner1, they are not actually final product names; just project codes :-) but still they are more fun than ordinary "serious" names for me
[11:19] <jrattner1> atila_sendil, thats true :  )
[11:19] <gelberg> Guennarr, sorry, i'm a debian man. all i can suggest is as root, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, /etc/init.d/<your display manager> restart
[11:19] <atila_sendil> rodietze, they are doing it for absolutely free and better ask for more amount in the first place to give everyone :-)
[11:19] <crimsun> lancer285: paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:19] <crimsun> jas_: aha!
[11:19] <tristanmike> Guennarr, that's sa good place to start, just add "sudo" infront of the command
[11:19] <jas_> crimsun: What?
[11:19] <jrattner1> Guennarr, do what gelberg told you it will work
[11:19] <StarKruzr> does anyone know whether or not Ubuntu saves the kernel configuration file that it creates at install?  I need to do some kernel hacking work.
[11:19] <atila_sendil> rodietze, I had ordered just 10 for 5.04 and they were all gone in a few days
[11:19] <gelberg> Guennarr, the point about repeating is if someone was going to help, they would anyway whether you repeat or not :)
[11:19] <crimsun> jas_: you need to put the filename in double quotes because it has spaces.
[11:20] <Guennarr> Thank you, Gelberg and tristanmike, I will try that!
[11:20] <rodietze> wow!! man I love Ubuntu!!!!!! all my friends will too, and I'll become a Ubuntu developer someday :)
[11:20] <Knorrie> gelberg: yes, and I'm glad that clueless users use ubuntu on desktop and don't set up servers with debian :P
[11:20] <tristanmike> Guennarr, what type of video do you have?
[11:20] <gelberg> Knorrie, :)
[11:20] <Felos> Is anyone else getting errors trying to add the Universe repo in Ubuntu?
[11:20] <crimsun> Felos: see the topic
[11:20] <Davey> HUzzah! Breezy installed :)
[11:20] <atila_sendil> Knorrie, well after some time with ubuntu they would be able to do that too
[11:20] <[_NimroD_] > StarKruzr: the results of what? i've tried disabling the sound server without results... the drumb keeps going on and on
[11:20] <Felos> crimsun, is that the reason for it? :-P
[11:20] <lancer285> crimsun, I have the output of amixer at : http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3044
[11:21] <mwright1night> Anyone here know about edubuntu
[11:21] <annex> jrattner1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth , look at the last comment for insight into the naming scheme.  The wiki answers everything ;-)
[11:21] <gelberg> Knorrie, this is a big day for me. after a long time laughing at debian-based distros, i installed one for my parents.  ;)
[11:21] <mstefanus> A question: A fresh installed mysql on Ubuntu 5.10 says error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' Anyone can help?
[11:21] <mwright1night> The wiki knows all or was that Google?
[11:21] <Knorrie> gelberg: o/~ ;-)
[11:21] <jas_> crimsun: so do it like this? 'mount -o loop "DIABLO 2 PLAY CD.iso" /mnt/diablo'
[11:21] <mwright1night> Edbubuntu familiarity anyone ?
[11:21] <miksu> sudo chown username /home/user/work can i use this to give myself a root-priviliged folder for tasks
[11:21] <Xenguy> After upgrading Hoary->Breezy via apt-get dist-upgrade, I am getting this error on the (gdm?) login screen:  "Configuration is not correct.  The configuration file contains an invalid command line for the login dialog, so running the default command.  Please fix your configuration." How can I fix the error above?
[11:21] <Guennarr> Sorry for the break: I just wrote down the command...
[11:21] <atila_sendil> mwright1night, not me
[11:21] <gelberg> mstefanus, this is a bug in debian, don't know if it applies here. check http://bugs.debian.org/mysql-server. think it's to do with old_passwords option in my.cnf
[11:22] <Guennarr> I have a Geforce 6800 GT.
[11:22] <_jason> Xenguy:  I ahd that error as well
[11:22] <StarKruzr> [_NimroD_] , so you stopped it from starting up in the first place?  at boot?
[11:22] <_jason> Xenguy:  one sec while I remember what file had to be changed
[11:22] <lancer285> can anyone help me get my sound working? everything is plugged in right, but it stopped working after a reboot. the comp THINKS its working, it plays music files, but no sound.
[11:22] <mstefanus> gelberg: that option doesnt exist anymore
[11:22] <Xenguy> _jason: thanks a lot
[11:22] <[_NimroD_] > StarKruzr: no.. i can't stop it, that's the problem
[11:22] <Knorrie> atila_sendil: I was using debian (no X) for years on servers before using linux on the desktop, this summer I began to use ubuntu, and only after a day I discovered there were graphical configuration tools :P
[11:22] <gelberg> mstefanus, perhaps i'm mixing up bugs. that was one. server wouldn't start for reason you describe :)
[11:23] <Guennarr> I already met problems in SUSE 10.0 (just works after startx from command line) and in Kanotix (in higher resolutions). I hoped that Ubuntu's excellent hw support would prevent any such problems... :(
[11:23] <wrabbit> ARG! vlc doesn't work
[11:23] <wrabbit> no idea why
[11:23] <Knorrie> atila_sendil: lalaa terminal lala :)
[11:23] <tristanmike> Guennarr, odd, nvidia should be no problem, when picking driver, try the "nv" one or "vesa" I believe
[11:23] <wrabbit> could it be the laptop itself?
[11:23] <mwright1night> I want to know about Teaacherspet
[11:23] <crimsun> jas_: yes
[11:23] <jas_> crimsun: Ahhh Thank you so much!
[11:23] <StarKruzr> sorry [_NimroD_]  we've exhausted the limits of my experience.
[11:23] <valzor> someone knows this message error : Gdk-ERROR **: BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter)
[11:23] <Davey> OK, all my windows are odd
[11:23] <[216] Shadey> time to install Ubuntu 5.10 w00t w00t w00t!!!
[11:23] <jas_> crimsun: It worked I appriciate that so much!
[11:23] <SupIAmMike> gaw breezy doesnt come with gcc 3.4
[11:23] <mstefanus> gelberg: correct, this is a similar problem, but that option is not in my.cnf file
[11:23] <atila_sendil> Knorrie, lol but this led you learning the basics better eh ? still for people "switching" (me for one) ubuntu just does it right
[11:23] <SupIAmMike> but cisco vpnclient requires it
[11:24] <[_NimroD_] > StarKruzr: its ok.. thanks anyway :)
[11:24] <SupIAmMike> should i get gcc 3.4 and install cisco vpnclient or should i move over to vpnc
[11:24] <Knorrie> atila_sendil: true!
[11:24] <gelberg> mstefanus, if you get no joy, do check the debian bugs. it does ring a bell, but there's a lot of bugs that ring a bell
[11:24] <shadeofgrey> hi everybody
[11:24] <Davey> it looks like all the windows are inside other windows, so all the rounded corners, have a background behind the curve and then a square corner...
[11:24] <Supermang> Can anyone help me with this permissions problem? I have my windows partition in the fstab with the "user" option, but I am still unable to view the partition as a regular user in Nautilus
[11:24] <Guennarr> Hhhhmmm... I just tried the default settings, I did not choose any drivers so far. So I should try a manual installation?
[11:24] <Davey> and all my windows are going black when I min/maximize them
[11:24] <_jason> Xenguy:  you want to backup your current /etc/gmd/gmd.conf and then replace it with /etc/gmd/factory-gdm.conf
[11:24] <valzor> someone knows this message error : Gdk-ERROR **: BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter)
[11:24] <Davey> and when I alt+tab
[11:24] <Davey> what I missing?
[11:25] <gelberg> Supermang, man mount. check out the uid / gid (i think) options
[11:25] <rkd> What's the technical term for the little "ubuntu" box that comes up while loading GNOME and gives information about nautilus etc. having loaded?
[11:25] <StarKruzr> does anyone know whether or not Ubuntu saves the kernel configuration file that it creates at install?  I need to do some kernel hacking work.  basically I want to use the kernel configuration that ubuntu creates to compile my own kernel (modulo some changes that I apply, but with everything else the same).
[11:25] <XsXs> Take my last trip to Wal-Mart. Was buying milk when an older woman, probably 50+, came up and asked my wife and I if we would rather have some fresh from the source and them whipped out her lift tit and waved it at us. We sttod there stunned. I mean WTF? Sure Wal-Mart is always full of weirdos, but I've never had anyone wave their tit at me in the middle of a store before.
[11:25] <Supermang> gelberg: will do
[11:25] <Xenguy> _jason: thank you very much - I will try that
[11:25] <[216] Shadey> everyone say w00t w00t! if you love Ubuntu!!
[11:25] <wrabbit> meh
[11:25] <atila_sendil> Knorrie, I had tried linux in the past many times but just for myself and nothing to do with job so ... I could only start with ubuntu now I have linux all over the house and different distros too :-)
[11:25] <[216] Shadey> meh!?
[11:25] <lancer285> I love it when it works
[11:25] <[216] Shadey> w00t w00t!
[11:25] <gelberg> do people still say w00t?
[11:26] <lampshade> lol
[11:26] <[216] Shadey> i do, i'm bringing it back, just like parichute pants!
[11:26] <StarKruzr> (parachute)
[11:26] <[216] Shadey> damnet =(
[11:26] <Guennarr> TristanMike: Can I switch drivers after installation, too, or can I switch drivers only by a re-installation?
[11:26] <shadeofgrey> whats the general consensus concerning the AMD64 version of breezy?
[11:26] <StarKruzr> (dammit)
[11:26] <mstefanus> Anyone else have an idea why mysql wont start?
[11:26] <feugan3333> Hi all. How would I find out which dns server I am currently using. On Windows it can be done with ipconfig /all. How can I do the same on ubuntu?
[11:27] <tristanmike> no, should be able to, the same command, sudo dpkg-reco..... should do the same thing, but you might want to get the updated drivers in, instead of the default ones
[11:27] <[216] Shadey> dammit!! =(
[11:27] <StarKruzr> there we go :)
[11:27] <[216] Shadey> one day i shall learn to spell!
[11:27] <gelberg> feugan3333, cat /etc/resolv.conf
[11:27] <shadeofgrey> is it worth using?  is it robust enough to be used as a main distribution imnstallation?  or is it still basically an enthusiast only type of deal?
[11:27] <[216] Shadey> w00t w00t!! =D
[11:27] <[TvM] > i give all permissions to a file... why i get this error? ioctl(SIOCSIFLAGS) failed: Permission denied
[11:27] <Kerr> Hi, i reccomended ubunt to a friend of mine a few days ago. she has via unichrome onboard graphics; on first boot she got into x fine, second boot; the display was 'wobbly', third she is in a terminal window. I googled out http://www.physik.fu-berlin.de/~glaweh/debian/ for unichrome debs for her, but habing a geforce4 myself have no idea what else to do. Are any of the files there what she needs? if they are, what would she install?
[11:27] <miksu> never even thought that anb
[11:27] <davro> What is wOOts, sorry i do not buy into that Obsesive-compulsive Disorder called love
[11:27] <feugan3333> gelberg, thanks
[11:27] <crimsun> mstefanus: did you edit the conffile? Did you set a root passwd for the mysqld?
[11:27] <Kerr> sorry for being so.. eh, clueless ;.;
[11:27] <miksu> never even thought that an OS could be this powerful
[11:27] <tristanmike> Guennarr, in my very limited knowledge
[11:27] <Kerr> ubuntu^
[11:27] <shadeofgrey> ...i understand that the driver support in the hoary release of amd64 blew rancid ardvark balls?
[11:27] <StarKruzr> ... rancid aardvark balls...
[11:27] <StarKruzr> wow
[11:28] <TylerDurden> when i try to install the ati drivers everything seems fine, no errors, but in fglrx-install.log it says this [Message]  Kernel Module : Trying to install a precompiled kernel module.
[11:28] <TylerDurden> [Message]  Kernel Module : Precompiled kernel module version mismatched.
[11:28] <TylerDurden> [Error]  Kernel Module : No kernel module build environment - please consult readme.
[11:28] <atila_sendil> Kerr, unichrome drivers just work :-)
[11:28] <Guennarr> Ok. I will try that. Thanks for now!
[11:28] <miksu> now i got my private folder with root priviledges =)
[11:28] <mstefanus> crimsun: like what the guide said, but it says it could not find mysqld.sock and then dies
[11:28] <tristanmike> hope it works for you Guennarr
[11:28] <shadeofgrey> star:  yeah..  i write for a living, so ...  colorful language is my meal ticket
[11:28] <Guennarr> Thanks! I will report! ;-)
[11:28] <Kerr> atila_sendil: her xorg conf lists that she's using the 'via' driver, not unichrome.
[11:28] <crimsun> TylerDurden: did you install gcc-3.4 and linux-headers-$(uname -r)?
[11:29] <TFP> why is it, that when i run xmms there are no other system sounds available?
[11:29] <TylerDurden> i dont think i installed gcc-3.4 nor linux headers
[11:29] <feugan3333> mstefanus: did you install the ubuntu mysql package?
[11:29] <rodietze> OH I've forgot to ask you guys, I have a winmodem agere/lucente at home, but I need the kernel-sources, but I can't find the kernel-source for Hoary, the 2.6.10-5
[11:29] <Licker> my Ubuntu is CORRUPT!
[11:29] <TylerDurden> ill try that
[11:29] <atila_sendil> Kerr, have you followed any of the guides on the forums to install specific unichrome drivers from the project ?
[11:29] <Kerr> atila_sendil: i use debian etch and xfree, so i'm really lost.
[11:29] <BockBilbo> Licker, mine too, doesnt pay taxes
[11:29] <BockBilbo> xDD
[11:29] <feugan3333> My goverment is corrupt!
[11:29] <Licker> NOO!!
[11:29] <Licker> :/
[11:29] <[TvM] > i give all permissions to a file... why i get this error? ioctl(SIOCSIFLAGS) failed: Permission denied.
[11:29] <kanevala> anyway i can get admin access back after removing myself from admins/sudo group?
[11:29] <mstefanus> feugan3333: apt-get install mysql-server
[11:29] <BockBilbo> lol
[11:29] <atila_sendil> feugan3333, lol
[11:29] <crimsun> TylerDurden: then you need build-essential, gcc-3.4, and linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[11:29] <Kerr> atila_sendil: It's not me, and her boxen is firewalled by her bro so i can't ssh in and do it for her.
[11:29] <crimsun> rodietze: see what I just told TylerDurden
[11:29] <TylerDurden> so i include the $ crimsun ?
[11:30] <Licker> no but really my apt-get is messed up
[11:30] <feugan3333> mstefanus: yes
[11:30] <crimsun> TylerDurden: exactly
[11:30] <StarKruzr> does anyone know whether or not Ubuntu saves the kernel configuration file that it creates at install?  I need to do some kernel hacking work.  basically I want to use the kernel configuration that ubuntu creates to compile my own kernel (modulo some changes that I apply, but with everything else the same).
[11:30] <lampshade> Kerr:  It isn't too big of a difference.  I'm a linux noob and I went from Debian, to Ubuntu fine.  (Arch linux might have shown up in the middle I can't quite remember )
[11:30] <shadeofgrey> hey does ANYBODY know where i might fund officvial transcripts of all the presidents speeches about iraq and sept. 11th?
[11:30] <mattack> anyone install breezy on a DELL Optiplex GX520?
[11:30] <crimsun> TylerDurden: exactly $(uname -r)
[11:30] <rodietze> what  is tok
[11:30] <Supermang> gelberg: thanks that did it
[11:30] <rodietze> oops, OK :)
[11:30] <TylerDurden> oh ok crimsun thanks im gonna try that
[11:30] <shadeofgrey> i need them for research
[11:30] <gelberg> StarKruzr, in debian it would be in /boot/config<whatever>
[11:30] <eduardo> Hey folks, silly little question. When ubuntu reboots after the install on its own power the first time, it craps out on my ethernet card. When I reboot again and force it to use a startup config with acpi=off it works. But then it just leaves me at the login prompt and doesn't bother installing anything else.
[11:30] <eduardo> What do I do?
[11:30] <Xenguy> _jason: rebooting now to see if that worked
[11:30] <_jason> Xenguy:  k
[11:30] <kanevala> anyway i can get admin access back after removing myself from admins/sudo group?
[11:30] <Kerr> atila_sendil: I noticed sone instructiosn that were experimental, but it would be unfair to install experimental software on someone elses pc.
[11:30] <mzelem> hi, could someone tell me were the xconfig file is in kubuntu, and if there is a graphical x-configurator?
[11:30] <atila_sendil> Kerr, oops... tough job then. I am also bit new too but after reading the forums (searching for unichrome) and loading the files from the unichrome project site I got my mini itx box with drivers
[11:30] <gelberg> Supermang, great
[11:30] <Xenguy> _jason: BTW, how did you locate the workaround?
[11:30] <Kerr> atila_sendil: 's why i sniffed out the debs.
[11:31] <aquarius> Is a smart upgrade recommended for upgrading from 5.04 to 5.10?
[11:31] <mattack> i have one at work and don't want to have too much downtime
[11:31] <StarKruzr> gelberg: do you have Ubuntu installed on a machine now?
[11:31] <miksu> a general question. if my bios can't save data when my machine is not powered up, is this malfunction or low battery power
[11:31] <StarKruzr> i.e. can you check for me?
[11:31] <atila_sendil> Kerr, I had also trid out the .deb's first but no worky :-(
[11:31] <lampshade> StarKruzr:  I wish I knew the answer to your question because I often wonder that myself... :-/
[11:31] <_jason> Xenguy:  during the isntall it prompted me if I wanted to replace that file... i made a note of it and chose default which was to leave it alone... when that error popped up I figured it was because of that
[11:31] <gelberg> StarKruzr, it's there
[11:31] <atila_sendil> Kerr, and if it is an office PC better not try too hard ?
[11:31] <StarKruzr> gelberg: you da man
[11:31] <valzor> someone knows this message error : Gdk-ERROR **: BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter)
[11:31] <StarKruzr> gelberg: How do I tell make to use that file when recompiling my kernel?
[11:32] <Xenguy> _jason: cool, OK let's see if it works for me
[11:32] <Kerr> atila_sendil: yea, i downloaded unichrome-X-r30.tar.gz and had a look at it. no INSTALL or README file and what inctructions i could find were for xfree. :-/
[11:32] <Kerr> i don't know what to do with the file, and i'm sure she'd know even less.
[11:32] <Kerr> instructions^
[11:32] <QMario> Why is the server so slow?
[11:32] <rodietze> but what's the diference between the linux-headers and kernle-headers? and the same for linux-source kernel-source ... linux-image  kernle-image ?
[11:33] <Supermang> Anyone know another mirror of the essential codecs for mplayer besides their site? it seems to be down
[11:33] <atila_sendil> Kerr, have you searched ubuntuforums.org for unichrome ? I read and followed them what you downloaded is not just to directly  install
[11:33] <miksu> qmario got to 60 % in about 4 hours..just be patient
[11:33] <tristanmike> QMario, see /topic
[11:33] <Kerr> atila_sendil: she was using redhat9 ~.~ it was horrible.
[11:33] <gelberg> StarKruzr, (again i'm not an ubuntu guru) cp <file> /usr/src/kernel-source<whatever>.  make oldconfig. make menuconfig. make-kpkg <whatever>
[11:33] <_jason> Supermang:  are you just looking for w32codecs?
[11:33] <bloodnik> Hi, what's that Flash maker called and where can one find it? Ta
[11:33] <Supermang> yep
[11:33] <barnes_> What do you reccomend as a wireless card? (wireless g card)
[11:33] <Kerr> atila_sendil: cann't say i've searched too hard
[11:33] <mstefanus> feugan3333 That is what I did...I did not install from source
[11:33] <StarKruzr> make OLDCONFIG
[11:33] <StarKruzr> aha
[11:33] <gelberg> !tell Supermang about marillat
[11:33] <StarKruzr> sexcellent
[11:33] <atila_sendil> Kerr, argh RedHat was the choice (when it was Red Hat5 or so) but now there is ubuntu :-)
[11:33] <_jason> !tell Supermang about w32codecs
[11:34] <Supermang> _jason, thanks
[11:34] <miksu> barnes if you got the cash, get buffalo airstation + buffalo usb card + 2 DA antennas...pretty much the perfect setup
[11:34] <atila_sendil> Kerr, all I can suggest more is to search the forums for "unichrome" and read all you get from there (at least that is what I did and worked for me)
[11:34] <gelberg> StarKruzr, NB when you copy the config file to the source dir, name it .config.
[11:34] <Supermang> doh it leads to the same URL
[11:34] <fosco> hi
[11:34] <flipy> how can I disable boot daemons?
[11:34] <_jason> Supermang:  oh
[11:35] <[TvM] > i give all permissions to a file... why i get this error? ioctl(SIOCSIFLAGS) failed: Permission denied..
[11:35] <fosco> anyone knows why we have CONFIG_IDEDMA_ONLYDISK=y in the kernel configuration?
[11:35] <feugan3333> mstefanus: try restarting the deamon: /etc/init.d/mysqld restart    and then see if there are any errors.
[11:35] <StarKruzr> gelberg: thank you.
[11:35] <QMario> Miksu? Is that really you?
[11:35] <_jason> Supermang:  I think I had an old one saved somewhere let me see if it is still up
[11:35] <fosco> that leads to cdroms on PIO mode and (for example) dvd reading very slow?
[11:35] <QMario> I haven't heard from you in a while?
[11:35] <QMario> What's going on?
[11:35] <miksu> qmario say what?
[11:35] <lampshade> fosco:  umm so that it does y or yes for IDE DMA on the disk?
[11:35] <miksu> qmario you are hermo? or what?
[11:36] <fosco> lampshade: this set D
[11:36] <fosco> lampshade: this set DMA for disks only
[11:36] <mstefanus> feugan3333: I did that so many times... this is what it says Starting MySQL database server: mysqld...failed.
[11:36] <mstefanus>         Please take a look at the syslog.
[11:36] <mstefanus> /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
[11:36] <mstefanus> error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)'
[11:36] <mstefanus> Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists!
[11:36] <westfall> can someone tell me if this is right? i'm trying to mount my two windows partitions.
[11:36] <westfall> /dev/hda1 	/media/windows 	ntfs 	umask=0222  	0 	0
[11:36] <westfall> /dev/hdb1 	/media/windows 	ntfs 	umask=0222  	0 	0
[11:36] <fosco> lampshade: and cdroms on PIO mode
[11:36] <QMario> Miksu, hermo?
[11:36] <QMario> Mstefanus, pastebin please. :)
[11:36] <miksu> qmario just asked if you are some friend i know?
[11:36] <mstefanus> QMario: sorry
[11:36] <dooglus> westfall: if you want to mount them both at the same time you'll be needing two different mount points in /media
[11:36] <atila_sendil> oops; Simpsons on TV :-) bye all; for now . . .
[11:36] <dooglus> you can't use /media/windows for both of them
[11:37] <_jason> Supermang:  ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/w/w32codecs/
[11:37] <QMario> Mstefanus, it's okay. :)
[11:37] <fosco> this is really a problem for a new user :\
[11:37] <lancer285> I'm still having problems w/ my sound guys.
[11:37] <miksu> qmario i mean if you are finnish etc
[11:37] <Supermang> _jason, thanks!
[11:37] <QMario> Miksu, no...
[11:37] <miksu> qmario last night?
[11:37] <mwright1night> what isa jigdo download?
[11:38] <Chadza> Can anyone reccomend a screen shot utility?
[11:38] <TylerDurden> crimsun, i downloaded those, but its still set on mesa :(
[11:38] <miksu> qmario how are we acquainted
[11:38] <mwright1night> is this a similair protocol to bittorrent
[11:38] <QMario> Miksu, huh?
[11:38] <lampshade> fosco:  what was the question again?  I would assume you would want DMA turned on as it is faster?  but I don't understand for sure
[11:38] <lancer285> My sound stopped working after the upgrade.
[11:38] <miksu> qmario god, where do i know you from ???
[11:38] <QMario> Miksu, I have just talked to you over #Ubuntu. That's all. :)
[11:38] <lampshade> mwright1night:  No jigdo let's you assemble your own kinda cd from all the packages available.  Not like bittorrent.  Bitorrent just helps you get the cd faster by downloading it from others who are downloading it.
[11:38] <miksu> qmario all right well i have been sleeping..suffering from insomnia at night
[11:39] <miksu> qmario beginning to get good with ubuntu btw =)
[11:39] <fosco> lampshade: that's it, using dma dor disks and cdroms is the default in the linux kernel, and dns for cdroms is needed for playgind dvd for examples)
[11:39] <QMario> Hee. :)
[11:39] <SQFreak> I wish there was a way to torrentify apt.
[11:40] <fosco> lampshade: I wonder why this option is actived on ubuntu kernels, since ubuntu wants to be used on desktops iirc
[11:40] <miksu> qmario so have you been using it for long ?
[11:40] <stuart_> Crube, I went through that ati graphics card how-to without succes... do you know of anyone getting it to work on amd64?
[11:40] <flipy> is there any graphical interface to edit the startup daemons?
[11:40] <ubuntu> hello all
[11:41] <QMario> Miksu, about < 1 year.
[11:41] <Xenguy> _jason: worked! Thanks, gotta jet :-)
[11:41] <fosco> flipy: yes
[11:41] <QMario> Maybe 8 months.
[11:41] <Kerr> does breezy have unichrome support that 'just works'?
[11:41] <ubuntu> how do i using the keyboard switch the virtual desktop.. the man only says to use the mouse :(
[11:41] <aquarius> Is a smart upgrade recommended for upgrading from 5.04 to 5.10?
[11:41] <miksu> qmario 2 weeks :)
[11:41] <fosco> flipy: System -> Admninistration -> Services
[11:41] <QMario> Miksu, wow.
[11:41] <nderjm> Anyone got Breezy working on an ATI Rage Mobility P/M?
[11:41] <miksu> qmario hehe
[11:41] <feugan3333> mstefanus: I don't have mysql installed, but I'm installing now. So maybe I'll be able to help maybe not :-)
[11:42] <_jason> Xenguy:  that's great, enjoy breezy
[11:42] <miksu> qmario maybe we should give some chat-space to ubuntu help talk
[11:42] <flipy> fosco: that's just for "some" daemons... how can I stop hp server print, cup, mdadm-raid, mdadm, ...?
[11:42] <ubuntu> how do i using the keyboard switch the virtual desktop.. the man only says to use the mouse :(
[11:42] <Crube> stuart_ did you try the install part with your xserver not running
[11:42] <Chadza>  ubuntu Crtl + Alt + Left or Right
[11:42] <QMario> Miksu, I agree. :-D
[11:42] <QMario> How long did it take for you guys to upgrade to Breezy?
[11:42] <hihi_>  #ubuntu-es
[11:42] <QMario> !Breezy
[11:42] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[11:43] <fosco> flipy: hmm, I see cupsys in the list
[11:43] <TylerDurden> wow, i just cant get 3d to work
[11:43] <TylerDurden> its set on mesa. i installed the ati drivers and all
[11:43] <aquarius> Ah, on thewiki. I looked on the support site but couldn't find much about upgrading.
[11:43] <stuart_> Crube, yes, I tried out some different configurations with no luck... 2d works fine with the fglrx driver, but fglrxinfo keeps saying "MesaGL"
[11:44] <dreameen> why is main security hoary repo not working?
[11:44] <ethan-allison> is there any reason not to upgrade to Breezy?
[11:44] <ethan-allison> dreameen: heavy traffic from the new release
[11:44] <dreameen> okie
[11:44] <stuart_> TylerDurden, same problem here, pay attention to what Crube is saying ;)
[11:44] <fosco> lampshade: you see? :)
[11:44] <mstefanus> feugan3333: Thanks, I hope you can... it is 5.10, PPC version
[11:44] <ethan-allison> dreameen: wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[11:44] <TylerDurden> stuart_, it worked fine on the pre release i dont get it
[11:45] <TylerDurden> now it just wont work and says mesa
[11:45] <davro> QMario: proberly took me about 2 hours to download burn cd, reinstall not upgrade on laptop 1.4m 1gig ram, but i did remove the dual boot, and reclaim the hard disk from windows.
[11:45] <QMario> I wonder how long it would take for a person using dial-up?
[11:45] <stuart_> TylerDurden, you might want to check out this howto: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557
[11:45] <QMario> Davro, heh. Windows.
[11:45] <Chousuke> QMario: A long, long time
[11:45] <TylerDurden> i tried that stuart_ it didnt work
[11:45] <Chousuke> Computers aren't really useful nowadays with a dialup.
[11:45] <stuart_> TylerDurden, ok, I didn't get around to trying out the prerelease... are you using "ati" or "fglrx" driver?
[11:46] <Crube> stuart_ I tried to get my ati drivers working for something like a week. I tried a dozen guides, and the only one that worked was that.
[11:46] <Chousuke> unless you never connect to the internet. :/
[11:46] <TylerDurden> i tried both, on the pre release i used ati and it worked fine
[11:46] <Supermang> if you still have dialup i feel sorry for you
[11:46] <feugan3333> Ubuntu is not usefull with a dialup
[11:46] <davro> might take days on a dial up and i don't think i could take it when the time come to run md5sum
[11:46] <Chousuke> feugan3333: true. :/
[11:46] <stuart_> TylerDurden, ok, what graphics card are you using?
[11:46] <Guimauve2> I have a quick question : how do I update my Ubuntu 5.04 system to a Ubuntu 5.10 system using apt-get?
[11:46] <TylerDurden> stuart_, 9200
[11:46] <Chousuke> Though windows isn't much better.
[11:47] <feugan3333> debian a bit better with lots of packages on cd
[11:47] <stuart_> Crube, ok, thanks for the assistance :)
[11:47] <feugan3333> better for dialup that is
[11:47] <Chousuke> craploads of security updates to install.
[11:47] <_jason> Guimauve2:  /topic
[11:47] <ethan-allison> Chousuke: and security updates for the security updates ;)
[11:47] <Guimauve2> thx
[11:48] <Chousuke> ethan-allison: it happens.
[11:48] <DarthFrog> Guimauve2: change "hoary" to "breezy" in /etc/apt/sources.list.  Then "apt-get updated && apt-get dist-upgrade"
[11:48] <ethan-allison> s/updated/update
[11:48] <_jason> !tell Guimauve2 about breezy
[11:48] <DarthFrog> ethan-allison: Tnx. :-)
[11:48] <Crube> stuart_ by the way, after installing the driver when xserver was shut down, did you restart xserver with the "xserver" command?
[11:48] <ethan-allison> DarthFrog: yup :-D
[11:49] <dreameen> so, how should my security repo entry in sources.list look like?
[11:49] <stuart_> Crube, no, I just restarted gdm. It worked for getting X to work in the first place, but now I start sensing it might not completely reload X or how?
[11:50] <DarthFrog> Breezy breaks VMWare, BTW.  Due to using a different gcc to compile the kernel (3.4.5) than is installed on the system (4.0).
[11:50] <stuart_> TylerDurden, ok, I have never got my X850 to work on linux with the fglrx driver before breezy, so seems like you're ahead of me
[11:50] <dmk> DarthFrog, install gcc-3.4 and either use export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4 or
[11:50] <frank23> DarthFrog: you can still use vmware
[11:51] <DarthFrog> dmk: Tried that, no go.
[11:51] <TylerDurden> stuart_, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66334&highlight=ati+guide
[11:51] <frank23> DarthFrog: listen to dmk ;-)
[11:51] <DarthFrog> frank23: How did you do it?
[11:51] <TylerDurden> i did a part of that and im going to try
[11:51] <dmk> DarthFrog, remove the symlink for gcc and add one to from gcc to /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 instead of to gcc-4.0
[11:51] <Supermang> whats the easiet way to get java working in firefox?
[11:51] <Crube> stuart_ I suggest trying to do the whole thing by shutting down x with ctrl+alt+backspace, then follow the guide, then use the "xserver" command to start it again.
[11:51] <DarthFrog> dmk: Been there, done that.
[11:51] <DarthFrog> dmk: Did it work for you?
[11:51] <dmk> DarthFrog, with the symlink?
[11:52] <DarthFrog> dmk: Either.
[11:52] <frank23> DarthFrog: just export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4 and run the configuration script for vmware again
[11:52] <dmk> DarthFrog, never used it mate but if its gcc-4.0 thats the problem and export CC wont work changing the symlink for gcc to gcc-3.4 will
[11:53] <DarthFrog> frank23: I installed gcc-3.4 and went the symlink route.  Didn't work.  The kernel is compiled with gcc-3.4.5 and only 3.4.4 is in the repos.
[11:53] <a_monkey> can all the people reading this right now on breezy that has bitmap fonts enabled and working please acknowledge it to me
[11:53] <a_monkey> example
[11:53] <feugan3333> Supermang: http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/faq#q2.2
[11:53] <a_monkey> a_monkey: i do!
[11:53] <Eppu> DarthFrog: you may also need to grab http://platan.vc.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/vmware-any-any-update94.tar.gz and use the runme script from there, instead of vmware configure
[11:53] <Efwis> if I did a clean install of 5.10 would I still have to wait for all the upgrade packages to be installed?
[11:54] <dmk> you on breezy?
[11:54] <frank23> DarthFrog: It work for me by using export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4
[11:54] <Guimauve2> I think it'll be working (the update).  I tried the first time but I had forgotten the replace "hoary" to "breezy" at two places.
[11:54] <dreameen> what is the OO version in the new release
[11:54] <dreameen> is it RC2?#
[11:54] <stuart_> Crube, ok, will do that, thank you very much
[11:54] <rjordan> http://www.hai2u.com/
[11:54] <dmk> frank23, what version of gcc-3.4 to you have then?
[11:55] <anthony> Hey, I was wondering what plug-ins (packages) I need to install in order to play embedded wmv files and DVDs using totem?
[11:55] <frank23> dmk: gcc version 3.4.5 20050809 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 3.4.4-6ubuntu8)
[11:55] <madsen_> use VLC instead
[11:55] <DarthFrog> Eppu: Thanks.  I'll try that.
[11:55] <dmk> frank23, cheers mate - thats the current one
[11:56] <eduardo> hey so I just installed Ubuntu. How do I start X? Gnome? KDE? Or none of that is installed by default?
[11:56] <dmk> IIRC anyway
[11:56] <_jason> madsen_:  why is vlc's gui umm "crappy looking" in the latest update?
[11:56] <jsubl2> anthony: mplayer works best for me but you have to room the totem plugins manually.. sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer
[11:56] <esac> is it possible to resize an ext3 partition ?
[11:56] <Eppu> DarthFrog: You need the CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4 stuff with it too. But the update fixes problems with networking on breezy, etc.
[11:56] <anthony> madsen_: I tried using VLC but it doesn't work, or was that comment directed at me?
[11:56] <anthony> jsubl2: Thank you, does mplayer supports DVD playing as well?
[11:56] <Crube> eduardo they usually start automatically. What happens when you start your computer?
[11:56] <QMario> !DVD
[11:56] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu, some dvd's require libdvdcss2, which can be found in !hoary-extras
[11:56] <jsubl2> anthony: yeah but you have to get the libdvdcss i think it is
[11:57] <eduardo> Crube, I get to the text login prompt
[11:57] <QMario> !hoary-extras
[11:57] <ubotu> it has been said that hoary-extras is see  http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; example hoary repo: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[11:57] <frank23> anthony: mplayer support dvd playing but not the dvd menus
[11:57] <_jason> QMario:  that's for hoary
[11:57] <Crube> eduardo have you tried "gdm"
[11:57] <anthony> frank23 and jsubl2: Thanks.
[11:57] <jeff303> who here plays Warcraft 3 on Battle.net using Cedega?
[11:57] <eduardo> gdm command not found
[11:57] <frank23> _jason: you can still use hoary-extras with breezy
[11:58] <feugan3333> jeff303: I don't, but I'd like to know how it runs?
[11:58] <_jason> frank23:  oh... sorry then
[11:58] <eduardo> Crube: gdm is not found
[11:58] <jeff303> feugan3333: well so far it's pretty good for me
[11:58] <Crube> eduardo umm... Uh... It -should- be found if you installed ubuntu normally.
[11:58] <weezer> hola a todos
[11:58] <DarthFrog> dmk: W00t!  VMWare is working now!  :-)
[11:58] <jeff303> feugan3333: after some tweaking
[11:58] <feugan3333> jeff303: pretty cool
[11:58] <eduardo> Crube: heh so why ain't it?
[11:59] <jeff303> feugan3333: but I've been having some lockups on Battle.net, wondering if they were common
[11:59] <jeff303> feugan3333: don't remember them from Windows
[11:59] <Crube> eduardo I have no idea :D
[11:59] <weezer> tengo un pequeo problema con el amule, alguien me puede ayudar?
[11:59] <eduardo> craps!
[11:59] <dmk> DarthFrog, nice one mate enjoy
[11:59] <DarthFrog> dmk: exporting the GCC variable worked, where symlinking didn't. :-)
[11:59] <eduardo> so what do I do?
[11:59] <Crube> eduardo did you install ubuntu 5.10
[11:59] <DarthFrog> dmk: Mind you, there's a downside.  Now Windows is running again. :-)   I'll not enjoy that.
[11:59] <dmk> DarthFrog, symlink must be wrong then mate - glad its working though
[11:59] <feugan3333> jeff303: might be Cedega's fault, never had lockups in while playing in windows.