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mhzyou'll see a similar GDM login but this is LDM (LTSP Display mananger) asking for user and pawd12:05
mhzyou login with same user you indicated during install (for this example)12:06
mhzand you'll enter a GNOME desktop12:06
mhzthat is EXACLTY the same desktop you saw in the server12:06
mhzbecause you are actually workng ON the server FROM the client12:06
mhzgooseuk: any question so far?12:07
gooseukYes12:07
mhzyes12:07
gooseukThe Clients will automatically detect the server? should the clients be formated, should it have the os on it? etc12:07
mwright1nightNo luck on seeds for edubuntu 9 peers and 0 seeds12:08
mwright1nightthe software isn't going to get out to fast12:08
mwright1nightwhich is a bummer cause I really want to test teachers pet12:08
mhzgooseuk: no need to format or install anything. Clients will use th ethernet properties to ask for a valid IP from the server and they'll immediately start receiving packages to see the process described before12:09
gooseukOk great12:09
gooseukPlease go on12:09
mhzgooseuk: but if the BIOS on the clients and/or the ethernet card does not let you boot from network...then no idea how to use it :(12:09
gooseukWill check it out tomorrow12:10
mhzgooseuk: however, i do believe there's a couple of projects who may work to bypass this issue12:10
mhzwith floppy use, i guess12:10
mhzthe good thing is that you do not need to install anything on clients :D12:11
mhzgooseuk: so i continue,12:11
mwright1nightltsp rocks12:11
mwright1nightreduce support time to the equiv of a server and 1 workstation12:11
mwright1nightwhere as fat clients are server + x*ws woth of support time12:11
mhzmwright1night: excellent complement!12:13
mhzgooseuk: so once you are logged in in th client, then you do everything you feel like it, even administer if you have the user permission to. Everything you see, is actually the server desktop.12:15
mhzgooseuk: most of the work is done in the server side12:15
mhzgooseuk: so clients do not need "horse power"12:15
gooseukWhat about saving work etc? Will it be saved to the server machine or client?12:15
mhzgooseuk: afaik, the server.12:16
mhzgooseuk: however, you can use USB gagets on the clients12:16
mhz:)12:16
mhzor floppies12:16
mhzmwright1night: or not?12:16
gooseukNot on these computers, we are talking RM Nimbus Computers12:16
gooseukFloppies only12:16
mwright1nighthttp://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuScreenShots12:16
mhzgooseuk: my HW knowledge is as bad as my japaneese knowledge :D12:17
gooseukAh, your talking 10 year old systems12:17
gooseukIf the server goes down the clients won't work either then?12:18
mhzyes12:18
mhzgooseuk: now you get it12:18
gooseukHmmm, that could be a problem12:19
mhzunless you install edubuntu on each client12:19
mhzjust in case12:19
mhzand then, maybe each client may act as server or workstation12:19
gooseukI may go down the root of installing the OS on each client machine, then use the program Kickstart to copy the settings to each machine, have you used Kickstart before?12:20
mhzand you can also install lighteer desktop, like xubuntu-desktop or WindowMaker or Fluxbox12:20
mhznope12:20
mhzgooseuk: ALSO, you may consider this option i used on this thin laptop (no cd nor floppy to boot)12:21
mwright1nightgooseuk: why should your server go down very often12:21
mwright1nightI have heaps of LTSP systems setup, and they are a lot more reliable than conventional fat client to server systems12:22
gooseukRM Nimbus aren't in the best of health, I am the first IT tech for these systems in nearly 4 years12:22
mhzgooseuk: I rebooted the laptop, the laptop was set to boot via network, the laptop got IP from Edubuntu server, I told the installation process to look for the packages at a "known" dir, and it got installed from the server side :D12:22
gooseukPlus I can't be sure of the Boot from network option in the Bios12:22
mwright1nightyou can use floppies, 12:23
mwright1nightyou can buy nics for $20USD with a boot prom on them12:23
mwright1nightyou can boot the rom image from a cd or hard disk or usb flash12:23
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mwright1nightThe rom image is only 36K12:24
gooseuk::Nods::12:24
mhzgooseuk: and you can use Netboot Install, thats what i did12:24
mwright1nightcheck out http://www.ltsp.org12:24
mhzmwright1night: again... LTSP ROCKSSS!12:24
mwright1nightor ask in #ltsp if you want more reassurance12:24
mhzhehehehe12:24
mwright1nightmhz: I am aware of this, i have lots of LTSP servers12:24
mwright1nightI install LTSP + freeNx for remote users12:25
mhzgood12:25
mwright1nightI have been using Fedora to date, but am looking to change to ubuntu now that 5.10 has the application software revisions that I require (ie oo 2.012:25
mhzhehehe12:25
mwright1nightwell i always had people advocating debian, but the prob with debian being so far in the dark ages for so long that for desktop ... no one would use it12:26
mhzI used to be a Debian user. Now that I have been volunteering for some time here (edubuntu), I only use edubuntu :D12:26
mhzmwright1night: in defense of Debian... you can always use "unstable" or "testing"12:27
gooseukI have to say the Edubuntu was picked due to the fact that it looked the easiest to use compaired to a normal install of Linux12:27
mwright1nightwell if you're using testing you might as well use fedora12:27
mwright1nightbut ubuntu is like a slightly more stabilised testing so it is the option for me12:27
mhzmwright1night: my only prob. is that i don't know why but i just love the APT and the way .deb look :D12:28
mwright1nightyum works fine.. it's just slow12:28
mhzindeed12:28
mhzhowever, if i had to decide for a rpm distro... i'd go with SuSe12:28
mhzYaST rock very badly12:28
mhzor opensuse, btw12:29
gooseukXandros is good too12:29
mhzgooseuk: yes12:29
mwright1nightyou have to pay for it don't you/12:29
mhzmany distros are good12:29
mwright1nightAny chance any of you know someone who can arrange to seed the official torrent of edubuntu12:29
mhzit all depends on what you are looking for. Even Gentoo is one of my favourites12:29
mwright1nightGentoo eek puke12:30
mhzhehehehehe12:30
gooseukWell the screenshots of edu is impressive12:30
mwright1nightnow way, how painful12:30
mhzgooseuk: edubuntu installed, that is impressive!12:30
mhz:D12:30
mwright1nightI think edubuntu will get a lot more exposure than k12ltsp and get a lot of educator .. hobby developer teacher types on board12:30
mwright1nightI think this is going to be huge12:30
gooseuklol I believe you, hopefully I will run the test tomorrow12:30
mhzGentoo is absolutely possible to install using already compiled packages :D it's just that gentoo fans still prefer to do it manually12:31
gooseukWell I am more than willing for you lot to get feed back from the school on your systen12:31
gooseuksystem*12:31
mhzgooseuk: please, do provide feedback. Users tend to enjoy and forget what we need to improve is feedback and happy users12:32
gooseukOnly thing I would say is that the install options are confusing... if you hit install its the server edition... but there is another server option... 12:33
gooseukWhat is Teachers pet as well?12:34
mwright1nightTeachers pet12:34
mwright1nightis it on the cd12:34
gooseukIt sounds interesting12:34
mwright1nighthow did you get the edubuntu cd?12:34
mwright1nightI can't download it at present12:34
gooseukwhats its purpose?12:34
gooseukI downloaded it today12:34
mwright1night Teaacher tool is a rewrite of Teacherspet12:34
mwright1nightno sorry otherway around12:34
mwright1nightwhere did you download edubuntu from?12:34
gooseukI was given a link in channel12:35
mwright1nightA seed has arrived12:36
mwright1nightcan you seed it then12:36
mwright1nightcopy your torrent directory12:36
gooseukI downloaded it about erm... 3 oclock12:36
mwright1nightand then download the .torrent file12:36
gooseukmwright: Are you asking me to seed it?12:37
mhzgooseuk: just hit <enter> at booting prompt, unless you do not want edubuntu to be installed. If so, then just use another options in F2 or F3, i dont remember12:37
gooseukroger Mhz, from the programs listed in the screenshots they are perfect for the primary school12:38
mwright1nightwhat does f2 f3 do?12:38
mwright1nightit's just an install cd, not a live cd isn't it12:38
mhzyes, install cd12:38
gooseukSome one said april for the Live CD? Is that true?12:39
mhzFx -> server  /  workstation  -> others12:39
mhzgooseuk: why not? it all depends on how many hands are available and commited to help12:39
mhz:D12:39
mhzwell guys... i have to go back and translate and edit some edubuntu docs on the wiki12:41
mhzping me if you think i can help you12:41
gooseukmy programing knowledge is limited to say the 12:41
gooseukleast12:41
mhzbut i am sure there's always gonna be someone else. and mwright1night i am sorry i can't seed :912:41
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gooseukIs there a Gaelic version of Edu?12:54
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ToothpickWho is working on a linux grade program that rivals Thinkwave...12:55
mhz_on_wikimwright1night: btw, did you know that by installing ubuntu breezy and then apt-get install edubuntu-desktop will give you an edubuntu environment?12:56
mhz_on_wikiToothpick: what you mean by 'linux grade progam'? 12:57
ToothpickI mean a grading program, like for a teacher to manage grades and such.12:58
mhz_on_wikioooohhh12:58
Toothpickthinkwave educator is a program I use, and one of the few that keeps me on windows often.12:58
mhz_on_wikihmm, maybe you could ask in #schooltool  I do not know about that kind of apps yet, sorry12:59
mhz_on_wikiToothpick: i am sure #schooltool gang has tested many programs12:59
ToothpickI am there now...never heard of it..thanks01:00
mhz_on_wikiToothpick: did you use www.google.com/linux  and search for thinkwave educator ?01:12
ToothpickI've tried it via wine01:20
Toothpickbut not that search01:20
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JohnnyCastawayOk I d/led it am installing it and it slows to a crawl at 6% any suggestions?\02:27
JohnnyCastawayThats kind of the same that I thought02:29
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crimsunare you using a mirror?02:30
JohnnyCastawayI am installing from the cd02:30
JohnnyCastawayI think02:30
JohnnyCastawayHow do I tell it to use a mirror02:30
crimsunwhat is at doing at 6%?02:31
JohnnyCastawayI hit enter at the start.. Let it do its own partitioning now its crawling02:31
JohnnyCastawayRight now it says klibc-utils02:31
JohnnyCastawayChanges every minute or two02:32
JohnnyCastawayIt says installing the base system02:32
JohnnyCastawayI even reburned the disc02:33
JohnnyCastawayA new one I should say02:33
JohnnyCastawayNow it says libklibc02:34
JohnnyCastawayIt says retrieving less..i see some cdrom activity...isit gettting from cdrom or network?02:36
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magnoncongrats on release, team!02:50
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mwright1nighthi03:51
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zmef420hello all04:10
zmef420uhhmmm, no live cd of edubuntu?04:10
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magnonogra: up?04:36
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mhzre05:55
magnonhey05:55
mhzhey magnon 05:55
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highvoltageshould i remove ppc from frontpage?06:40
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mhzboooo06:40
highvoltagehi mhz 06:40
mhzI wanted PPC so badly06:40
mhzhip06:41
mhzhow's you latin sense of humour "these days, father?"06:41
highvoltagestill very South African, thank you very much :)06:42
mhzhehehe06:42
highvoltagei think ppc will be fixed. i don't think there's a finality around it, unless ogra said something else.06:42
mhzhighvoltage: any news on how soon we'll be able to write WikiPage/SubPage06:43
mhzwithout cgi or something issues?06:44
highvoltagedid you also get cgi issues?06:44
mhzyes06:44
highvoltagei got it yesterday and some people didn't seem to believe me.06:44
mhzit does esp. when /sub pages06:44
highvoltagei don't know what's going to happen to the wiki. i think it needs a lot of work.06:45
mhzhighvoltage: "i believe"06:45
mhzhighvoltage: i am more than willing to give that fight06:45
highvoltagehehe. "the truth is out there"06:45
mhzlol06:45
mhzsee? you just can't help it06:45
highvoltageoh behave06:45
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mhzjsgotangco: welcomeback06:47
jsgotangcosalut06:47
mhz"those about to die"06:47
jsgotangcowhat's the news with the wiki?06:47
mhzlol06:47
mhzbesides the cd slip and labels that still get no feddback (except by Yagisan).. none06:48
jsgotangco(aren't you supposed to sleep still or just woke up too early)06:48
mhzjsgotangco: i decided to wait and talk to henrik first06:48
jsgotangcocd slips?06:48
jsgotangcoare they on the wiki?06:48
mhzhttp://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCdAndSlip06:48
jsgotangcochecking06:49
mhzjsgotangco: nop, this is you thinking you are awake06:49
mhz:)06:49
jsgotangcoi just came from my daughter's school party so i'm pretty awake06:49
mhzi haven't gone to bed yet since 08:00 am. it's about 02 am now06:50
mhzit seems that most of us have daughters06:50
jsgotangcothe front slip case is kind of cool but it seems empty with using white...06:50
jsgotangcosame with the back...06:51
jsgotangcothe cd with the earth and kids is really nice06:51
mhzthe reason of white is mainly because every time i imagine "new born" i imagine white. for me, edubuntu is new born06:52
jsgotangcookay..06:52
mhzyes, we can fill in the white with light grey lines or stuff if needed.06:52
Yagisanmhz: In Japan - white is for death06:52
jsgotangcoit just feels kind of empty space to me06:52
jsgotangcoyes06:52
jsgotangcomost astian countries do06:52
jsgotangcos/astian/asian06:53
mhzYagisan: thx for the "help"06:53
mhzLOL06:53
jsgotangcowe wear white for burials06:53
Yagisanmhz: as I suggested - perhaps colourful for the cd ? The slip is nice06:54
mhzit's good we have 2 people's feedback now.06:54
Yagisanblack and white always have cultural aspects to them06:54
mhzif it is not much to bother with, could you wiki the feedback? so we all read both irc people and anyone?06:55
Yagisanmhz: I don't see an edit button on that page06:56
mhzYagisan: on the other hand, it is good to use white then. We'll simbolize the death of former education and represent the new one06:57
mhzare you loged in?06:57
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=== Topic for #edubuntu: The discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://www.edubuntu.org | NEXT MEETING: Oct 19 12:00 UTC on #ubuntu-meeting. | Edubuntu 5.10 is out, grab it while its hot ! http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Installation help http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes
=== Topic (#edubuntu): set by ogra at Thu Oct 13 22:31:27 2005
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JaneWhello08:26
highvoltageJaneW: if you need something to be fixed on the website in a hurry, my cellphone number is +27 72 399 6864.08:41
highvoltageJaneW: i can always connect via gprs and make a quick fix if needed.08:41
JaneWhighvoltage: thanks, but we wouldn;t have woken you for that! -> moving to #edubuntu08:43
JaneWhighvoltage: did you manage to change the front page yet08:43
JaneW?08:43
highvoltageyet08:44
highvoltagei mean..08:44
highvoltageyes08:44
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\shgood morning 08:45
\shogra told me to come along and ask what has to be done for edubuntu ;)08:46
highvoltagehow do i rsync an ubuntu iso cd again?08:48
highvoltage\sh: hi, welcome to #edubuntu and the edubuntu project!08:48
highvoltage\sh: i think a high priority is to get the ppc edition working08:49
\shrsync -CvzapP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/breezy-install-i386.iso .08:49
highvoltage\sh: thank you08:50
\shhighvoltage: I heard the mess with the linux kernel stuff on ppc yesterday...08:50
\shhighvoltage: adjust the path to the isos when u need another one08:50
highvoltage\sh: ok thanks, i'm going to adjust it to the edubuntu one08:50
\shhighvoltage: I'm just downloading the amd64 dvd iso to test with ogra this afternoon/evening when I'm visiting him...08:51
highvoltagewhat's the edubuntu cd image name again?08:52
\shhighvoltage: if you need a fast connection to them, I get give u http access08:52
highvoltage\sh: thanks, our connection is very slow on this side so i don't think it would make too much difference :(08:52
highvoltage\sh: what's your real name?08:52
\shhighvoltage: StephanHermann :)08:52
highvoltageah, i read all your stuff on planet all the time :)08:53
\shhighvoltage: hehe...I will never start a blog again in my next life...promised ;)08:53
\shhighvoltage: cd image or dvd?08:53
\shedubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso <- cd i38608:54
\shchange i386 with amd64 for the other iso ;)08:54
highvoltagewe could do with a StephanHermann on the edubuntu team ;)08:54
\shhighvoltage: well....I think ogra told me something like "We need a bigger community"...so let's start 08:55
highvoltagersync: link_stat "daily/current/edubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso" (in cdimage) failed: No such file or directory (2)08:55
\shhighvoltage: u don't sync from releases? u try to sync from cdimage...08:56
\shhighvoltage: the name on cdimage is different08:56
JaneW\sh: I hear you are going to help ogra unwind and relax... he needs it08:57
JaneW\sh: have you made a plan re biltong yet?08:57
\shJaneW: yeah...when I saw him the last time, he looked very burned out...he needs a rest really08:58
JaneW\sh: and he deserves it08:58
\shJaneW: charles will smuggle some for me ;)08:58
JaneW\sh: make sure he has a bit of fun please08:58
\shJaneW: we will have fun :) 08:58
JaneW\sh: ok good, is that arranged?08:58
highvoltageah yes, \sh was in durban :)08:58
\shJaneW: yeah :)08:58
\shhighvoltage: not only durban :)08:58
\shmost of the time, yes ;) 08:59
\shJaneW: u never told me, btw, that your son is a karateka :)08:59
\shJaneW: I hope he's doing shotokan karate?08:59
JaneW\sh: he had his first grading a short while ago and got 2 stripes ;)09:00
\shJaneW: hehe...well my little one has the blue belt now :) 09:01
\shah coffee time..brb09:01
JaneW\sh: he does karate at school, but the sensei comes from a dojo called Samurai, so I think it's samurai based - the head of the dojo does sword work etc09:01
JaneW\sh: age? 09:02
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highvoltage\sh:  should "rsync -CvzapP --stats rsync://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/edubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso ." work?09:09
\shJaneW: 12 :)09:09
\shhighvoltage: if releases has a rsync daemon running yes...but for this ask kamion 09:10
\shJaneW: he had his 12th birthday friday last week 09:11
highvoltageok, thanks09:12
\shJaneW: last year was a WYKC here in germany (World Youth Karate Championships). I had some nice chats with the group of karatekas from all over ZA there..they're were good, really good.09:13
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JaneW\sh: great10:07
JaneW\sh: is ogra sleeping?10:07
jsgotangcohey JaneW10:13
jsgotangconice cake10:13
jsgotangcocongratulations10:13
JaneWhi jsgotangco 10:14
JaneWthanks10:14
JaneWthanks10:14
JaneWand thanks to you :)10:14
JaneWjsgotangco: thanks for being our most loyal (and always here) helper :)10:15
\shJaneW: I hope so :) 10:16
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bjweeksHello10:19
jsgotangcoloyal?10:22
jsgotangcoheh10:22
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jsgotangcojoke10:22
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jsgotangcoahh k10:25
jsgotangcoi also got emails regarding that kind of thing10:25
\shJaneW: good luck :)10:25
JaneWta10:25
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JaneWhighvoltage: ping10:34
JaneWlol10:34
JaneWTwylite http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuScreenShots?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=t_khangman.png : did someone actually proof-read this website ?!10:34
jsgotangcoit was a pun10:35
jsgotangcowtf10:35
jsgotangcopretty bad pun thogh10:35
jsgotangcobrb going to take a nap10:42
highvoltageJaneW10:45
bjweekshey10:53
bjweeksI need help installing edubunu10:54
highvoltageJaneW: hehe, on what channel was that?10:55
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highvoltagebjweeks: questions? fire away!10:57
bjweeksok so Im going to install the server10:57
bjweeksbut what do I have to do to the clients?10:57
bjweeks???11:02
highvoltageyou want to boot them as ltsp clients?11:03
highvoltageyou need a network boot client.11:03
highvoltagethere are two big ones: etherboot and PXE.11:03
highvoltagemost of the new motherboards with built-in motherboards also have PXE installed, all you need to do is enable network booting in the bios.11:03
bjweeksso i have to change the lan boot rom?11:03
highvoltageyes.11:03
highvoltagethat's about all you need to do :)11:04
highvoltageif it's older machines,11:04
JaneWhighvoltage: #Linix on Zanet11:04
JaneW#linux even11:04
bjweeksYes the one i have for testing has Lan boot11:04
highvoltageyou can use etherboot: http://rom-o-matic.net11:04
highvoltageexcellent.11:04
JaneWhighvoltage: it's where I started (100 years ago)11:04
JaneWhighvoltage: I am trying to convert them...11:04
highvoltage#linux on zanet is quite rubbish, imo.11:05
highvoltageJaneW: i'm always on #clug, our local LUG.11:05
JaneWheh I just realised I have been on the inetrnet for 10 years this month (although I had e-mail before that - but the only other ppl I knew with e-mail were on campus on that was just LAN traffic).11:06
JaneWhighvoltage: I know all the ppl there though, most IRL ;P11:06
highvoltageah11:06
JaneWhighvoltage: it's all the old #za ppl from saponet11:07
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bjweekok back11:08
JaneWhighvoltage: doesn't make them *not* dorks though ;)11:10
JaneWhighvoltage: several of us even paired up (sad hey?)...11:10
highvoltagegeez! :)11:12
bjweekinstalling edubuntu :)11:17
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enycwaybe11:23
enycargh11:23
bjweeklol11:23
enycMAYBE11:23
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=== enyc still not used to dvorak yet
bjweeklol i love dvorak11:24
enycbtu ive only been trying for 3 days so far...11:24
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JaneWlooks/sounds freaky11:27
JaneWand I am a bad enough typer anyway11:27
enyc'lol11:39
bjweekok done installing but i got a login screen11:41
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bjweekis that right?11:41
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bjweek?11:42
bjweeksmart people?11:43
highvoltagebjweek: i'm not smart, but getting a logon screen after installation is a good thing.11:45
highvoltagethat i know.11:45
bjweekok thx11:45
bjweekSo now I can netboot?11:45
highvoltageyou can log on using the username and password you supplied during installation.11:45
bjweekyes11:46
highvoltageyes, you should be able to netboot now.11:46
bjweekDid they include teachearspet?11:46
juliuxogra, ping11:46
highvoltageogra is working on teachertool, i'm not sure if the entire teachertool is finished yet, or where to find it in edubuntu.11:47
highvoltageJaneW: do you know?11:47
bjweekbe back in a few mins going to try it :)11:47
ogramorning world11:48
ograjuliux, pong11:48
Jeromeemornin ogra11:48
ograhighvoltage, no teachertool yet, i'm going on with the work on it next week, i'll care for a backport to breezy once its done11:48
\shhey ogra :)11:48
ogramoin \sh 11:48
JaneWhighvoltage: um... I think it's in universe11:49
JaneWoh hi ogra11:49
JaneWdid you sleep well?11:49
ograso so11:49
\shogra: u have a dvd burner at home? I don't have a dvd media to burn on..*sigh*11:49
JaneWhmmm11:49
enychello \\\s\h ;-)11:49
ograstill not enough to get through completely...11:49
\shenyc: ehe :)11:49
ograbut the weekend is ahead :)11:49
Jeromeehmm11:50
ograhighvoltage, ltsp is not running directly after install, thats why EdubuntuInstallNotes exists... point people there first...11:50
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juliuxogra, can i use systemsnapshots with edubuntu?11:51
highvoltageogra: ok, thanks, my edubuntu md5 sum didn't match, so i'm rsyncing, i don't actually have a new edubuntu cd yet :(11:51
enycmy md5sum worked ;-)11:51
ograjuliux, systemsnapshots ? 11:51
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juliuxogra, yes you make a snapshot of a partition after install and than you can every time reset to this snapshot11:52
juliuxogra, with snapshots it is possible to crypt the root partiton11:53
ograjuliux, nope, but thats a nice idea to incorporate in our teacher tool... i'm not sure, probably sabayon offers such functionallity...11:53
ogra(not for the whole system, but for accounts)11:53
juliuxogra, an with snapshots you also can reset the home partition of an user if there is any problem11:54
ograsabayon sadly has a bad bug that prevents it from working through ltsp, so we couldnt include it yet11:54
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bjweekshey11:54
bjweeksI have to use a switch not a router right?11:55
ograbjweeks, depends....11:55
juliuxogra, if you only want to crypt an other partition you can use cryptsetup11:55
ograi'd use a router for routing and a switch for switching :)11:55
bjweeksOk cause i just set it up and it didnt connect11:56
ograbjweeks, you set up what, and what didnt connect ? 11:56
ogra("it" is a bit unspecific ;) )11:57
bjweeksI have the edubuntu running in own box behind the router and my other box using the "Nvida boot agent" and is stops on dhcp...11:57
bjweeksone*11:57
ograand the one with the boot agent shall act as thin client ? 11:58
bjweekscorrect11:58
ogradid you follow http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes to set up ltsp after install ? 11:58
bjweeksNope let me go do that11:59
ograthere is one manual step required ... (will go away in the next release)11:59
ograjuliux, i have no experience with crypto stuff nor with system hardening but i'd be grateful if someone with knowledge would take that part for eduuntu :)12:01
ogra*edubuntu ... whoops12:01
juliuxogra, i install edubuntu at this time in a vmware and i will play a litte bit with edubuntu12:02
bjweeksIt still wont boot..12:03
ograjuliux, great :)12:03
bjweekso wait12:03
ograbjweeks, does it get a dhcp address ? and does it do the tftp dance on boot ?12:04
\shjuliux: thx for your help :) I owe u one :)12:04
ograbjweeks, the first boot always takes a bit longer12:04
bjweeksWhen I try to start the dhcp server it asys fail12:04
juliux\sh, no problem yesterday i wasn't a help because i did not get the images12:04
bjweeks * Starting DHCP server...                                               [fail] 12:04
ograbjweeks, you did what the help suggests ? 12:04
bjweeksReplaceing the 192.168.0 with the ip i put in12:05
bjweeks?12:05
ograhttp://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup12:05
ograyes12:05
bjweeksIm there12:05
bjweeksI fail on sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start12:05
\shjuliux: it's ok..but at least you heard the call :)12:06
ograbjweeks, then your file is not right yet... can you paste the output of ifconfig and the content of the file somewhere ? 12:06
bjweeksCan I pm it to you?12:06
ograsure12:06
JeromeeI should put edubuntu in my car.12:10
Jeromeehh12:10
Jeromeeheh*12:10
ograyou have a pc in your car ? 12:11
JeromeeI probably will12:11
Jeromeefor audio/dvd/navi12:11
Jeromeegetting a sound card that will connect up to my amps properly, and produce decent sound while being compatable with any linux distrobution would be a silly task though.12:12
juliuxogra, that i want do http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/EVMS-Snapshots_mit_Verschl%C3%BCsselung12:12
ograjuliux, did you show that to pitti already ? 12:13
Jeromeehaha, want a WRX Edubuntu demo car?12:13
ograhe's mr security 12:13
Jeromee:P12:13
juliuxogra, no12:13
ograJeromee, yeah12:13
Jeromeelol.12:14
Jeromeeogra, pm12:14
juliuxogra, now he knows the link12:16
ograyup, i saw12:17
bjweeksTeachers Pet didnt make it in right?12:27
ograyup12:27
bjweeksSounds are only on the server?12:30
highvoltagebjweeks: do you see a little cross where the volume controll is on the clients?12:32
bjweeksyes12:32
bjweeksI unmuted it thi12:32
bjweekstho12:32
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bjweeksGoing to bed thanks for all the help and goodnight12:41
highvoltageping -b12:53
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ograUsage: ping [-LRUbdfnqrvVaA]  [-c count]  [-i interval]  [-w deadline] 12:55
ogra            [-p pattern]  [-s packetsize]  [-t ttl]  [-I interface or address] 12:55
ogra            [-M mtu discovery hint]  [-S sndbuf] 12:55
ogra            [ -T timestamp option ]  [ -Q tos ]  [hop1 ...]  destination12:55
varianthi guys12:55
ograhi variant 12:55
highvoltageogra: :)12:55
ogra:)12:55
highvoltageogra: just saw you at the edubuntu cake eating12:56
ograhuh...12:56
ograme ? 12:56
highvoltageyep12:56
highvoltagehttp://jonathancarter.co.za/photies/Edubuntu-Launch-Cake-14-October-200512:56
ograhmm, my stomach disagrees :)12:56
ograit hasnt recieved any food today it tells me :)12:57
ogralol12:57
ograwhats that in my hand ? 12:57
highvoltagea big jelly tot :)12:58
ograheh12:58
variantMy brother is a computing and maths teacher in a Shetland high school.. he is forced to have winxp on the workstations but has been using knoppix as a live cd to teach the kids about Free Software.. Is there any plans to release an Edubuntu live CD? If not... I think i should be able to do one my self but it would be easyer to just download an existing one :)12:58
ogravariant, yes, the next release will have a live CD...12:59
ograwe had much trouble getting this release together, so the liveCD was postponed...12:59
variantallso, from the screenshots i guess that most of the educational software is aimed at younger kids.. is there much teenager level software available?12:59
variantogra: i see, thats excelent!12:59
ograhow would you characterize teenager software ? 01:00
ogra(we cant include counterstrike and halflife ;) )01:01
varianthmm, software that doesnt use cartoon illustratoins instead of words and contains A-level type material (UK A-levels studied by 18 year olds in case your not from UK)01:01
varianthahah i dont mean games at all..01:01
variant:P01:01
ogra:)01:02
variantktouch is a nice example.. its not patroniseing or anything01:02
variantand tuxtype is good for younger kids01:02
variantkstars and celestia allso01:02
ograwe have a lot of kdeedu stuff in01:02
variantwhats that other star one?01:02
variantstellarium i think01:02
ogracelestia didnt fit on the CD together ith kstars... we had to decide for one...01:03
ograkstars is in ...01:03
ograbut indeed you can chnage the software selection by yourself...01:03
variantI dont know so much about it though.. what im trying to say is.. do you think the edubuntu CD is suitable for a 12 to 18 year old environment?01:03
variantogra: yeah.. he will only be using the live cd though.. can they be easily remasterd?01:04
ograi think it might work up to 16... 18 is a bit to old ... when i was 18 i would rather have used a default ubuntu...01:04
ograyup01:04
JaneWhttp://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=471&slide=4&title=edubuntu+5.10+official+screenshots01:05
variantwell thats great.. thanks man!01:05
ograthere is a remastering howto on the ubuntu wiki somewhere... since edubuntu is developed *in* ubuntu, it will be the same procedure01:05
variantnice screenshots01:05
variantwhats that image browser? http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=471&slide=3701:06
ograyeah, they updated :)01:06
variantoh, nm user selection01:06
highvoltagemy word. how did they choose these picures? http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=471&slide=3701:07
variantgnome-2.12 as well, thats awsome01:07
varianthighvoltage: i think they are wikipedia pictures of the day01:07
varianti recognise a few of them (i save most of the pic of the days for wallpapers)01:07
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varianthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_pictures01:08
variantogra: does it come with stellarium? thats rather an excelent peice of software01:10
highvoltageah, cool. they reminded me of the pics in windows, then again, it's been so long that i've used windows that my memory might be just a bit warped :)01:10
varianthighvoltage: lol01:10
ogravariant, nope ... 01:10
variantogra: time for a liveDVD :)01:11
ograheh01:11
ograif we have the liveCD, the DVD will contain both, live and install image ;)01:11
variantcool01:11
variantis there an live cd i can download yet?01:11
ograstellarium is available in universe ... probably something to consider for next release01:12
variantone in testing or somthign01:12
ogranope01:12
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ograyou could download the ubuntu liveCD and add (by remastering) edubuntu-desktop to it01:12
mhzhey01:12
Yagisanhey mhz01:13
variantogra: universe?01:13
ograi'm not sure if we'll make a ltsp live version... it would be cool, but break for more than one, two clients01:13
Yagisanmhz: you do web stuff right ?01:13
mhzYagisan: isn't it late for you?01:13
Yagisanmhz: only 9:15PM here01:13
mhzYagisan: we, Tecnocimiento, do01:13
variantmind if i idle here incase i get more questions? :)01:13
mhzohhh01:14
ogravariant, yes... universe is the community supported part of ubuntu... it holds 16000 packages for installation01:14
mhzjust an hour diff01:14
variantogra: nice01:14
ogravariant, stay please :)01:14
variantaww, thanks!01:14
ograidle as you like ;)01:14
Yagisanmhz: an hour ??01:14
variantgonna sign up to the mailing list01:14
mhzwell, sorry, 1301:15
mhz:D01:15
mhzwow, huge diff01:15
juliuxogra, edubuntu runs in my vmware now01:15
ograyay01:15
juliuxogra, but the icons in the bottom pannel are broken01:15
Yagisanmhz: that's a good point for the proposal :) have you worked with plone ?01:16
ograjuliux, are you logged in twice with the same user ? 01:16
juliuxogra, server an client a in vmare, very crasy but it wrks01:16
juliuxogra, yes01:16
juliuxs/a/are01:16
ograjuliux, gnome doesnt like that ...01:17
juliuxogra, ah ok01:17
ogrause another user :)01:17
mhzYagisan: hmmm, what do you mean? proposal+plone01:17
variantbtw, totaly uninteresting information to anyone except me (im just too exited to keep it quiet right now) I just got my first job in 3 months of unemployment this morning!!! tech support!! woohoo!01:17
ograsomething i have to look into for next release...01:17
ogravariant, congrats !01:17
variantthanks !!!01:17
variantgotta move to ireland (from sweden) next week now :S01:18
juliuxogra, greate work01:18
Yagisanvariant: congratulations01:19
ograthanks :)01:19
variantthank you thank you.. /me shuts up now :P01:19
mhzvariant: that rocks!01:20
ogramhz, could you put my answer back below the RalpGlass comment ? 01:21
ogramhz, thanks for caring for all this wiki stuff btw :)01:21
mhznp01:22
mhznp 2 2 stuff :D01:22
mhzogra: i tought that was the intro and not the answer, sorry.01:23
ograheh01:23
ograplease file bugs might not be a good intro for a "user comments" page :) 01:23
ogra*grin*01:23
mhzlol01:24
juliuxogra, how can i shut down a client?01:27
juliuxogra, i see the ltsp display manager but i don't want log in i want to shut down the computer01:28
ogralogout and use the powerbutton01:28
mhzogra: BTW, just to spice a little bit your wiki knowledge. In moin, if you want others to see that you edited something, you may use a nice feature. Just add @SIG@ to the end of a comment you made and once you save the page, Moin will immediately place a timestamp for you (user logged in + timestamp). 01:28
ograthe client is using a read only filesystem...01:28
juliuxogra, thanks01:29
ograjuliux, the next version of the login manager already runs here, i'll add a shutdown button 01:29
juliuxogra, great01:30
ograjuliux, in case you want to have a look http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/01:30
ogra(see ldm_installation)01:30
juliuxogra, i never installed a ltsp so easy01:30
variantIs the live cd expected to support frame buffer?01:31
ograit still requires one manual step.... my target was to have no manual work involved at all01:31
juliuxogra, but this is no prolem01:32
ogravariant, yes... after the initial questions01:32
JaneWogra: distro watch is advertising PPC for edubuntu... http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=02971#001:32
variantogra: in that case i might have a good sugestion..01:32
varianthold on a sec :)01:32
JaneWogar: they must have used an draft release announcement01:32
ograJaneW, actually i think thats fine, because we can see how many requests we'll get but can point to an error on distrowatch as excuse ;)01:33
JaneWogra: ok, that's a point ;)01:33
ogravariant, note that we only support vga16fb ... no more than 16 colors01:34
variantogra: eek, how come?01:34
JaneWogra: I hope you have some resting, relaxing and fun planned - wish you could have had some cake with you. We mentioned you and sang your praises though. 'Oli of Edu'01:34
ograJaneW, the desktop works fine on ubuntu... you just need to install edubuntu-desktop on top, so ppc is not completely locked out01:35
ograJaneW, i saw the pics, lol01:35
juliuxogra, i think we will use edubuntu at  the fairs in germany01:36
ogravariant, because other framebuffer implementations only work on 80% of all hardware... we cant lock out 20% of the users :)01:36
ograjuliux, yay!01:36
juliuxogra, an then 2 kinds of log in one normal ubuntu and one edubuntu01:36
ograjuliux, i'll see which ones i can attend :)01:36
ograone i nver miss is FOSDEM, not really german, but i'm there every year01:38
variantogra: I was going to sugest qingy (frame buffer getty replacement) it has a very nice themeable login system and its super fast and small compared with gdm/xdm01:38
variantor kdm i mean01:38
juliuxogra, because then the visitors can test ubuntu with there own notebooks 01:38
ogravariant, quingy even runs on less HW... not an option for a distro that get shipped to a broad audience01:38
variantogra: damn shame01:39
varianti use it on my laptop though :P01:39
mhzvariant: I have just instaled xubuntu and kubuntu desktops to try them on edubuntu env.01:40
ogravariant, its the fault of the graphics cards and bios manufacturers... you cant change whats already out there and broken by design HW wise... so we try to cope with it01:40
variantmhz: nice01:40
ograbut that forces decisions like "if we want a bootsplash, vga16fb is the only way to go"01:41
mhzvariant: but I still can't make LDM to let me log in into any other desktop than gnome :(01:41
ogramhz, i gave you the command to change it twice already...01:41
variantogra: true.. its a shame but qingy and the kernel support for better frame buffers is not that large.. would a boot option be possible (not exactly a priority even if it is, i understand that :))01:42
mhzogra: really???????????/01:42
ogramhz, sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager01:42
ograselect the default one :)01:42
mhzah, but that didnot work at all01:42
juliuxogra, how long the clients normally needs to boot?01:42
ograjuliux, way to long :)01:42
ograbut below a minute i think01:42
mhzogra: it always ended up showing same message: "there's only one manager"01:43
Yagisanjuliux: I have a p2 300 - it takes about 1-2 minutes01:43
juliuxYagisan, thanks01:43
ogramhz, even with kubuntu-desktop or xubuntu-desktop installed ? they register there01:43
juliuxYagisan, i cann't test it because server and client runs in vmware01:43
mhzyep.01:43
ograYagisan, woah -2 minutes ? 01:43
ograwe urgetly need to improve that01:44
mhzogra: sorry i had not mentioned that result before01:44
ograat least we'll have usplash in soon... so you get a bit entertainment :)01:44
ogramhz, something is screwed then... if these packages are installed you must have the chioce there01:45
Yagisanogra: it's not an issue, the is a delay for the nfs problem workaround, and in hardware autodetection01:45
Yagisanogra: and my network is often congested01:45
ograYagisan, there is a "sleep 3" leftover in the bootscript01:45
ogra(just to give an example for mprovement)01:46
Yagisanogra: and I should mention I boot via etherboot (and it also has a small delay)01:46
ograYagisan, i guess we can get it to 30 sec boots01:46
mhzogra: WOW, sorry!!! it worked now that I rebooted after installing kubuntu-desktop!01:46
ogra:)01:46
ogramhz, great01:46
juliuxogra, then you need gigaethernet in the server01:47
ograbut i still dont ger why ~/.xsession didnt work01:47
mhznow, the stupid issue here is that it worked on the laptop, but the other machine i have (desktop) doe snot boot from net, i believe. :D01:47
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juliuxok01:47
ograi have a very thick thin client for my tests :)01:48
mhzogra: you are back to 'below' Ralph01:48
Yagisanogra: sure - but it still boots rather quick compared other systems that I've run on that P201:48
ogra(amd64, 512MB nvidia 6500 and gigE)01:48
ogramhz, thanks01:48
mhznp01:48
Yagisanmhz: I can help with the non-net booting machine01:48
mhzcool, but could we try in about 15 mins?01:49
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Yagisanmhz: sure - when you get back post the output from lspci | grep Ethernet01:50
mhzokidoki01:51
mhzthx01:51
varianthow about initng support.. would that speed up a live cd at all?01:52
ogranope01:52
juliuxogra, now i install edubuntu on my harddisk01:53
ograthe liveCD is based on the debian installer... you'd need to speed up this one...01:53
ograjuliux, cool :)01:53
mhzogra: just in case any of the doc team is around... Moin has included a plugin to render Moin pages as DockBook, just from 'MoreActions' Drop down menu :D  EduCooool!01:57
mhzthey can test it on the official site, of course01:58
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mhz_cookinghno73: hi! will you be here in about 20-30 mins?01:59
mhz_cooking(please)01:59
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hno73mhz_cooking: I'll be at lunch then, but I'll be back in 60-90 minutes from now02:00
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mhz_cookingooops02:10
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ogracool :)02:11
mhz_cookingYagisan: sorry, but I'll have to run faster now02:11
mhz_cookinghno73: hmmm, no way I can be here by then02:12
mhz_cookinghno73: what other options of "ircing" do we have? later? tomorrow? usually, what time?02:12
hno73mhz_cooking: ok, I'll catch you this evening or at the weekend?02:12
mhz_cookingogra: cool02:12
mhz_cookinghno73: i really appreciate and i'm sorry to be a pain in the neck :)02:13
hno73just ping me, even if i'm not in this chan.02:13
mhz_cookingok02:13
mhz_cookingi think i'll be back on irc in about 5 hours02:13
mhz_cookingmaybe/hopefully before02:13
hno73ok cya then02:14
mhz_cookinghno73: please see CD slip and label on wiki and tell me your opinion02:14
hno73I agree with whoever said it needs more colour02:15
hno73I'm also not thrilled by the stick figures for some reason02:16
Zaheerhello, Congrats on the first release Edubuntu :)02:16
ograZaheer, thanks a lot :)02:18
juliuxogra, how much swap i need for edubuntu?02:18
Zaheeri havent DL yet, need to check the bandwith but i cant wait02:18
juliuxogra, i one gb enough ?02:19
ograjuliux, hmm, none but enough mem ? 02:20
ograjuliux, if the server starts swapping you'll be lost anyway...it will get darn slow02:20
ograso you only need it for security fallback... i regulary go with linus advice to use 50% ramsize... but that may be outdated...02:20
ograi guess so02:20
\shJaneW: ping02:20
juliuxogra, only 768MB ram02:20
Yagisanthat would depend on your ramsize02:20
ogra1gb should be plenty...02:21
juliuxogra, thxs02:21
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juliuxogra, the edubuntu installer didn't download the languagepackages02:32
ograjuliux, do you have internet connection ? 02:32
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juliuxogra, yes02:33
ograstrange... works here02:33
juliuxogra, there is no try to download them02:33
ograit should do that after the ltsp chroot setup ...02:34
ograright before reboot02:34
juliuxok i will wait02:34
ograand it takes ages, the kde langpack is terrible big...02:34
ogra(15MB)02:35
juliuxogra, i have the de.archives.ubuntu.com mirror in the local lan :-)02:35
ograheh02:35
juliuxogra, 6Mbit/s down02:35
ograthen it'll go quick... i thik it downloads 5 files or so02:35
juliuxyes very quick02:36
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JaneW\sh_away: pong (sorry late)03:03
juliux_ogra, the language package are installed03:08
highvoltageJaneW: \sh: ping timeout :)03:13
ograJaneW, he'll be here around 6pm again...03:17
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JaneWogra: I won't :P03:18
DanborgBy default, Edubuntu installs an LTSP server... is there an option to install an thin client?03:18
ograDanborg, ??03:18
Danborgogra, ??03:18
ograwaht would you want to install on a thin client ? 03:18
ograthey are diskless03:19
Danborgnot all thin clients are diskless03:19
ograyou mean thick clients03:19
ograor half thick clients...03:19
Danborgwell skinny clients if you prefer03:19
ograwhich both are not supported in this release, they are targeted at the next one...03:19
ograbut i know highvoltage tweaks edubuntu to work like that03:20
Danborgso you must use fat client with edubuntu right now?03:20
ograno, eithet the satndalone workstation or thin clients on the ltsp server03:21
ogra*either03:21
Danborgwhere is good docs for configuring thin clients03:21
ograno need to configure anything03:22
Danborg(sigh)03:22
YagisanDanborg: if I understand you - plug in a PXE system and boot up03:22
ograjust follow the post install steps on http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes and boot your diskless clients03:22
DanborgI think Yagisan understands my question better03:23
ograthere is nothing to do additionally03:23
DanborgExcept that this old system is not PXE03:23
ograDanborg, i dont understand what you want to configure ? you either boot via etherboot or PXE, the rest is done by ltsp...03:24
YagisanDanborg: does it have a hard disk or can it boot from cdrom ?03:24
ograindeed you can also use old school lts.conf setups with our ltsp server if you ike the pain03:24
Yagisanogra: I think he needs to get old systems netbooting03:24
ograYagisan, yup, etherboot03:25
DanborgYagisan, this system has both a hard disk and a cdrom, but no PXE nic.. it has old nic03:25
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YagisanDanborg: great I can help then03:25
YagisanDanborg: would you rather a boot cd - or boot from hard disk03:25
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Danborgcd would be more transportable to more than one machine03:26
highvoltagesomething that is quite critical.03:26
highvoltagehttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/103:26
YagisanDanborg: It will be specfic to the type of network card in the machine anyway03:26
highvoltageis that a bug in eduntu yet?03:26
YagisanDanborg: what NIC do you have ?03:27
YagisanDanborg: $ lspci | grep Ethernet03:27
ograhighvoltage, yes, thats a thing that needs quite soe time for fixag :)03:28
DanborgFA311 from Netgear03:28
YagisanDanborg (assuming you have linux of some sort on the client)03:28
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YagisanDanborg: do you know what chipset that uses ?03:30
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ogra\sh, JaneW was looking for you...03:31
ogragah, to slow03:31
DanborgNational Semiconductor 03:31
YagisanDanborg: ok - go here http://www.rom-o-matic.net/5.4.1/03:32
YagisanDanborg: select natsemi from the NIC list03:32
YagisanDanborg: select .liso for output format (for boot cd)03:32
YagisanDanborg:click configure03:33
YagisanDanborg: ping me when ready03:33
Danborgok03:34
YagisanDanborg: make sure PXELOADER_KEEP_ALL is ticked03:35
Danborgok03:36
YagisanDanborg: I also suggest ticking POWERSAVE, ALLMULTI, MULTICAST_LEVEL1, MULTICAST_LEVEL2, DOWNLOAD_PROTO_TFTM03:36
YagisanDanborg: the click get rom03:36
Yagisans/the/then03:36
YagisanDanborg: the .liso file is a standard .iso file, burn it to a cd-rw (in case it don't work)03:37
YagisanDanborg: and try to boot a client with it03:37
Yagisanogra: if this isn't already on the wiki - you may want to paste it there03:38
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ograhighvoltage, could you please add a note to the frontpage tha we'll have a liveCD ready with the next release 6.04 ? 03:38
ograYagisan, yes please :)03:38
ogradont forget that we have to prefix all our sites with Edubuntu since the merge :)03:39
DanborgYagisan, thank you, I will try it.03:39
YagisanDanborg: I did this (but with zlilo images) for my office - it's just like having a pxe card then03:39
Danborgok good, let me burn it and will came back later03:39
YagisanDanborg: sure, let me know how it goes (I might not be here though GMT+10 here)03:40
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Yagisanogra: see, etherboot support isn't needed anymore, etherboot can pretend to be pxe now :)03:42
ogracool03:42
ograthen we can wipe it from ltsp03:42
ograthe mknbi package we have was never tested :)03:43
Yagisanogra: does need the extra prep work though to pretend to be pxe03:43
ograyes, but thats not affecting ltsp :)03:43
ograso we can clean up the server side and just point to rom-o-matic03:44
ograwhat i really miss are PXE bootable wlan cards :)03:44
Yagisanogra: where on the wiki should I put this03:44
Yagisanogra: etherboot :)03:45
ograEdubuntuLTSPEtherboot ? 03:45
ograhmm, looks odd03:45
ograEdubuntuEtherbootClients ? 03:45
ograor ClientSetup03:45
Yagisanogra: I'll go with clientsetup - we can put pxe notes as well there03:46
ograwhat would you want to configure on PXE ? 03:46
Yagisanogra: eg how to enable pxe on onboard nics etc03:49
ograhmm, isnt tha always enabled by default ? 03:49
ograi havent seen a card where its not yet...03:50
Yagisanogra: no - my server box supports pxe - only after I go into the bios and tell it to turn pxe on03:50
ograoh03:50
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Yagisanogra: I used to see some cards that needed you to press shift+F10 on boot to enable pxe as well03:51
ogratrue, but they tell you that they need that ...03:51
ograanywa, put it up on the page :) 03:52
Yagisanogra: assuming that you see it scroll up03:52
Yagisansure, be back soon - have to put daughter to bed - should take about 30 mins03:52
Yagisanif there is a page there to edit when I get back, great :)03:52
ogratake your time... 03:52
ograi have to claen the house a bit before \sh comes03:53
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gooseukAfternoon folks04:08
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Yagisanback again04:26
gooseukwb04:26
gooseukYagisan: Are you a developer here?04:27
Yagisangooseuk: not really - but I can probally help04:28
Yagisangooseuk: whats on your mind ?04:28
gooseukWell I hope to be installing the OS on a small primary school network, basically if I can install SafeSquid on to the OS04:29
gooseukCan I install it onto each client?04:30
Yagisangooseuk: I see, I don't see a safesquid package04:30
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Yagisangooseuk: safesquid - that's a web filter right ? (sounds like on)04:31
Yagisanone04:31
gooseukYeah its a webfilter04:31
gooseukits rather important that I can install a webfilter04:32
Yagisangooseuk: that would most likely need to be installed on the machine running squid04:32
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gooseukHow do you mean?04:33
Yagisangooseuk: you wouldn't need to install filters on the client04:33
Yagisangooseuk: OK - how is your network set up ?04:33
gooseukInternet -> Router -> Hub -> 10 clients04:34
Yagisangooseuk: in between Internet and Router I would install a machine to do www proxy04:35
gooseukOk, Server basically then04:35
Yagisangooseuk: yes04:35
gooseukHmm, should be interesting trying to learn how to network them... 04:36
gooseukI haven't used Linux before for networking04:36
Yagisannow - there are two ways to do it, either a transparent proxy, or a non-transparent proxy04:36
gooseukWhats the different?04:36
Yagisangooseuk: It's harder for the client to bypass a transparent proxy, and less work configuring clients :)04:37
Yagisangooseuk: but more work configuring the server :(04:37
gooseukI see, ok04:38
gooseukWell If I hook the Server up to the Router should it auto detect the internet?04:38
Yagisangooseuk: brb04:39
Yagisangooseuk: what you want is Internet -> Firewall -> WWW Proxy + Filter -> Router -> Hub -> 10 clients04:41
Yagisangooseuk: looking for a nice howto for you04:43
gooseukMany thanks Yagisan04:43
Yagisangooseuk: I understand what you want to do, and if you have a spare box we can do it with Ubuntu04:44
gooseukAt the minute it will have to be Internet -> Server [Proxy + Firewall Software]  -> Hub -> 9 Clients04:44
Yagisangooseuk - sure, that was just a logical breakdown04:44
gooseuk::nods:: I will just going to have issues with the setting up of the IP/TCP settings for the server and clients 04:45
gooseukNever done that, not to mention doing it with Linux lol04:46
Yagisangooseuk: this is rather dry and technical - but it explains how to do transparent proxy services http://www.squid-cache.org/Doc/FAQ/FAQ-17.html04:48
gooseuk... lol Thanks for finding that for me, I can see I am going to have issues04:51
Yagisangooseuk: I'm looking for something easier, it's not that hard, but I'd like a more step by step guide04:52
Yagisangooseuk: and it helps to be up to date04:52
gooseukYagisan, if I install Squid on every client in the Transparent mode, will it mean that I don't have to change any ip information etc for the filter to work on the firefox browser?04:53
gooseukOn the client machines that it04:54
gooseukthat is*04:54
Yagisangooseuk: squid is only installed on the machine that is to be the www proxy server04:55
gooseukOk, if I install the network in this way: Internet -> Router -> Server [proxy] ]  -> hub -> 9 clients04:57
gooseukWill I have to mess with the Ip/TCP settings on the Clients so that they can use the filter software and connect to the internet?04:57
Yagisangooseuk: no04:57
Yagisangooseuk: I just saw the safesquid webpage04:59
gooseukSo the clients will automatically coonect to the internet, through the hub to the server, using the proxy WITHOUT me having to set up IP settings etc05:00
gooseukOk?05:00
gooseukIts confusing me at the minute how it would work05:01
Yagisangooseuk: yes then seems fine05:01
Yagisans/then/that05:01
gooseukOk, when I am hooking up the network for the first time, from scratch, I hook the router to the server, the server to the hub and then clients to the hub, they will all be able to access the internet instantly, without me having to add ip settings etc for the client machines?05:04
Yagisangooseuk: yes05:05
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Yagisangooseuk: looking at that setup, server is the edubuntu computer isn't it05:06
jsgotangcohey guys05:06
gooseukAll the computers will be running edubuntu to be honest incase the server fails05:07
gooseukbutt yes the server will be running edubuntu05:07
Yagisangooseuk: A bit out of date but still usefull http://dansguardian.org/downloads/DGandTransparent.txt05:07
gooseukso basically I have no setting up of IP addresses etc for making this small network?! GREAT, to be honest I have been in a bit of a panic, because I didn't know how hard it would be for the network to work05:08
Yagisangooseuk: shouldn't be much trouble at all. dansguardian is a better choice then the dodgy looking safesquid05:09
gooseukMany thanks Yagisan05:09
gooseukWell I am setting this network up next week, the one problem is that the bios can't boot from the network05:10
Yagisangooseuk, considering all traffic is going through the edubuntu server, you could install squid and dansguardian there05:10
gooseukSo basically I am installing the clients with the OS as well 05:10
Yagisangooseuk: I can get them to netboot for you05:10
Yagisanjsgotangco: can you give me a very quick tutorial on how to add pages to the wiki05:10
gooseukHow can you do that Yagisan?05:11
Yagisangooseuk: hold on for a moment, and I'll show you how (I've explained it once already today - time to wiki it)05:11
jsgotangcoYagisan: just create a link on an existing page with CamelCase05:12
gooseukYes please it would be a great help05:12
jsgotangcoCamelCase becomes an automatic link05:12
Yagisanjsgotangco: pretend I'm a monkey05:12
jsgotangcowhen you click on CamelCase you have the option of creating a new page05:12
Yagisanjsgotangco: and how would this monkey create a new link05:14
jsgotangcouse CamelCase ex. MonkeyPage05:14
jsgotangcoMonkeyPage becomes an automatic link05:15
jsgotangcoif you're going to link outside ex. [http://www.foo.com Foo] 05:15
Yagisanjsgotangco: many thanks05:16
Yagisangooseuk: could you do lspci | grep Ethernet on a client machine for me (Assuming they have the same NIC)05:17
gooseuklspci ?05:17
gooseuk<- Linux Virgin05:18
Yagisangooseuk: open a terminal and type "lspci | grep Ethernet"05:18
gooseukWhat does that do?05:18
gooseukNot on the Edubuntu OS at the minute, if you give me 2 hours I will have it on this machine05:19
Yagisangooseuk: It tells me what ethernet chipset you system uses05:20
Yagisangooseuk: 1:21am here05:21
gooseukAussie land?05:21
Yagisangooseuk: yep05:22
jsgotangcoYagisan: sydney?05:22
gooseukLad, I can't thank you enough, your helping me out big time05:22
Yagisanjsgotangco: yes05:22
jsgotangcoYagisan: i love your place05:23
Yagisangooseuk: buy some of my security services :)05:23
gooseukWhat security services? 05:23
Yagisangooseuk: I'm a e-security consultant - I do things including penteration testing, vpns, data recovery05:24
gooseukOh, well I am working for a primary school, we are basically switching over to linux because of cost05:25
Yagisanjsgotangco: why does my page look shit http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/ClientSetup05:25
jsgotangcoerr JamieJones?05:25
jsgotangcoahh05:25
jsgotangcolet me fix that05:25
Yagisanjsgotangco: yes - thats what the tax department calls me05:25
Yagisangooseuk: I just did the most awful hack of a job pasting in my instructions05:26
gooseukdon't worry about it 05:26
gooseukif it works, it works05:26
Yagisangooseuk: I will clean it up a bit tommorow after jsgotangco makes it look better05:27
gooseukNo problem, its great that you could help me with05:28
Yagisangooseuk: but that is the way to make boot cd's, I need to add how to make it boot from hard disk - like in my office05:28
Yagisanthanks jsgotangco05:28
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jsgotangcoahh its pretty easy once you get the syntax05:31
jsgotangcowe use it for almost everything05:32
Yagisanjsgotangco: I have only edited a wiki 3 times, the first two where cut'n'paste05:32
jsgotangcocut n paste wont work unless it has wiki syntax05:33
jsgotangcoline breaks should have one more white space in between05:33
Yagisanok05:34
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SoloHello, I need a very simple question....05:34
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jsgotangcohi05:34
Soloresponse....05:34
SoloHow is the sources.list in edubuntu?05:35
jsgotangcoits the same with ubuntu05:35
Soloaha05:35
Solook05:35
Soloso... what is the differente?05:36
Solothe installation?05:36
YagisanGoodnight all, catch you tomorrow05:36
gooseukNight, thanks for the help05:36
jsgotangcoSolo: additional apps are installed, server is the default05:36
Solook05:36
jsgotangcobut it uses the same repositories05:37
jsgotangcoso its possible to have your ubuntu become an edubuntu05:37
SoloDo you know what apps ?05:37
SoloDo you tell me any apps?05:38
SoloI have install a ubuntu for kids...05:38
Soloand I dont know where find any software for thems05:38
Solothey*05:38
jsgotangcoits has KDE Edu, Gcompris, Blender, and more05:40
jsgotangcotux math05:40
Soloblender?05:40
jsgotangcoits a 3d app05:42
SoloOk, very thanks, i solvent my question05:42
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jsgotangcohey vzl05:48
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CuriousCatoh yay! I've been waiting for the mirrors of edubuntu to sync! :D05:57
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mhzhip08:35
mhzarkan0x: ping08:36
gooseukHey Mhz08:38
gooseukYou got time for a quick question08:39
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toothpickWhat is the school program channel?09:27
mhztoothpick: ?09:27
mhzschooltool?09:27
toothpicky thanks09:27
mhz#schooltool09:27
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JohnnyCastawayAnyone here?09:46
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amarinhello10:46
mhzhi10:50
amarindo you know what are the difernces between Edibuntu and Ubuntu?10:51
[daedalus] amarin: Ubuntu is just 1 workstation, Edubuntu is much more10:51
[daedalus] check the wiki for more info10:51
amarinI would install it at home so my kids could start learning Linux, but can I install my developer web server in this edition?10:54
amarinI mean: can I find all I find in a regular edition of Ret Hat in Edubuntu?10:55
mhzyes10:58
mhzamarin: Edubuntu is oriented to provide educational tools to 6-18 year old people. Also, help teachers ease their jobs.10:59
mhzEdubuntu is based on Ubuntu. Ubuntu is based on Debian10:59
mhzDebian GnluLinux just rocks!10:59
amaringreat11:00
mhzamarin: The basic tech idea behind edubuntu is that you have the chance to install a LTSP environment.11:00
mhzdo kno wLTSP?11:00
amarinOn last question: where can I download de DVD version?11:01
mhzamarin: do know LTSP?11:04
amarinnop11:05
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mhzamarin: LTSP is Linux Terminal Server Project, which means that you have 1 server and the rest are called clients. All clients BOOT from the server. The server provides everything the clients need.11:08
mhzIn the end, users of the clients (workstations booted from server) can't tell the difference because the are seeing a real Linux environemnt, such as Gnome, Firefox, etc.11:09
mhzBut they get all of those screens from the server.11:09
mhzSo, you don't isntall anything on clients, just 1 server. Therefore, you may rduce costs of admining a system.11:10
amarinI undertand11:12
amarinso what do you recoment to install in a workstation environment?11:13
mhznop, i recommend you just hit <enter> at boot prompt and so install the edubuntu completely11:18
mhzif you do not want LTSP, you just do not use it :)11:18
mhzbut maybe, one day soon you'll want to give it a try11:18
amarinsure!11:20
amarinCan I install Edubunto to share the pc with windows, in diferent HDs or partitions?11:29
mhzyes11:31
mhzlike any other linux distro11:31
amarinexcellent, thanks!11:32
mhznp11:34
mhzhope you enjoy it11:34
amarin;-)11:36
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