[12:05] <mhz> you'll see a similar GDM login but this is LDM (LTSP Display mananger) asking for user and pawd
[12:06] <mhz> you login with same user you indicated during install (for this example)
[12:06] <mhz> and you'll enter a GNOME desktop
[12:06] <mhz> that is EXACLTY the same desktop you saw in the server
[12:06] <mhz> because you are actually workng ON the server FROM the client
[12:07] <mhz> gooseuk: any question so far?
[12:07] <gooseuk> Yes
[12:07] <mhz> yes
[12:07] <gooseuk> The Clients will automatically detect the server? should the clients be formated, should it have the os on it? etc
[12:08] <mwright1night> No luck on seeds for edubuntu 9 peers and 0 seeds
[12:08] <mwright1night> the software isn't going to get out to fast
[12:08] <mwright1night> which is a bummer cause I really want to test teachers pet
[12:09] <mhz> gooseuk: no need to format or install anything. Clients will use th ethernet properties to ask for a valid IP from the server and they'll immediately start receiving packages to see the process described before
[12:09] <gooseuk> Ok great
[12:09] <gooseuk> Please go on
[12:09] <mhz> gooseuk: but if the BIOS on the clients and/or the ethernet card does not let you boot from network...then no idea how to use it :(
[12:10] <gooseuk> Will check it out tomorrow
[12:10] <mhz> gooseuk: however, i do believe there's a couple of projects who may work to bypass this issue
[12:10] <mhz> with floppy use, i guess
[12:11] <mhz> the good thing is that you do not need to install anything on clients :D
[12:11] <mhz> gooseuk: so i continue,
[12:11] <mwright1night> ltsp rocks
[12:11] <mwright1night> reduce support time to the equiv of a server and 1 workstation
[12:11] <mwright1night> where as fat clients are server + x*ws woth of support time
[12:13] <mhz> mwright1night: excellent complement!
[12:15] <mhz> gooseuk: so once you are logged in in th client, then you do everything you feel like it, even administer if you have the user permission to. Everything you see, is actually the server desktop.
[12:15] <mhz> gooseuk: most of the work is done in the server side
[12:15] <mhz> gooseuk: so clients do not need "horse power"
[12:15] <gooseuk> What about saving work etc? Will it be saved to the server machine or client?
[12:16] <mhz> gooseuk: afaik, the server.
[12:16] <mhz> gooseuk: however, you can use USB gagets on the clients
[12:16] <mhz> :)
[12:16] <mhz> or floppies
[12:16] <mhz> mwright1night: or not?
[12:16] <gooseuk> Not on these computers, we are talking RM Nimbus Computers
[12:16] <gooseuk> Floppies only
[12:16] <mwright1night> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuScreenShots
[12:17] <mhz> gooseuk: my HW knowledge is as bad as my japaneese knowledge :D
[12:17] <gooseuk> Ah, your talking 10 year old systems
[12:18] <gooseuk> If the server goes down the clients won't work either then?
[12:18] <mhz> yes
[12:18] <mhz> gooseuk: now you get it
[12:19] <gooseuk> Hmmm, that could be a problem
[12:19] <mhz> unless you install edubuntu on each client
[12:19] <mhz> just in case
[12:19] <mhz> and then, maybe each client may act as server or workstation
[12:20] <gooseuk> I may go down the root of installing the OS on each client machine, then use the program Kickstart to copy the settings to each machine, have you used Kickstart before?
[12:20] <mhz> and you can also install lighteer desktop, like xubuntu-desktop or WindowMaker or Fluxbox
[12:20] <mhz> nope
[12:21] <mhz> gooseuk: ALSO, you may consider this option i used on this thin laptop (no cd nor floppy to boot)
[12:21] <mwright1night> gooseuk: why should your server go down very often
[12:22] <mwright1night> I have heaps of LTSP systems setup, and they are a lot more reliable than conventional fat client to server systems
[12:22] <gooseuk> RM Nimbus aren't in the best of health, I am the first IT tech for these systems in nearly 4 years
[12:22] <mhz> gooseuk: I rebooted the laptop, the laptop was set to boot via network, the laptop got IP from Edubuntu server, I told the installation process to look for the packages at a "known" dir, and it got installed from the server side :D
[12:22] <gooseuk> Plus I can't be sure of the Boot from network option in the Bios
[12:23] <mwright1night> you can use floppies, 
[12:23] <mwright1night> you can buy nics for $20USD with a boot prom on them
[12:23] <mwright1night> you can boot the rom image from a cd or hard disk or usb flash
[12:24] <mwright1night> The rom image is only 36K
[12:24] <gooseuk> ::Nods::
[12:24] <mhz> gooseuk: and you can use Netboot Install, thats what i did
[12:24] <mwright1night> check out http://www.ltsp.org
[12:24] <mhz> mwright1night: again... LTSP ROCKSSS!
[12:24] <mwright1night> or ask in #ltsp if you want more reassurance
[12:24] <mhz> hehehehe
[12:24] <mwright1night> mhz: I am aware of this, i have lots of LTSP servers
[12:25] <mwright1night> I install LTSP + freeNx for remote users
[12:25] <mhz> good
[12:25] <mwright1night> I have been using Fedora to date, but am looking to change to ubuntu now that 5.10 has the application software revisions that I require (ie oo 2.0
[12:25] <mhz> hehehe
[12:26] <mwright1night> well i always had people advocating debian, but the prob with debian being so far in the dark ages for so long that for desktop ... no one would use it
[12:26] <mhz> I used to be a Debian user. Now that I have been volunteering for some time here (edubuntu), I only use edubuntu :D
[12:27] <mhz> mwright1night: in defense of Debian... you can always use "unstable" or "testing"
[12:27] <gooseuk> I have to say the Edubuntu was picked due to the fact that it looked the easiest to use compaired to a normal install of Linux
[12:27] <mwright1night> well if you're using testing you might as well use fedora
[12:27] <mwright1night> but ubuntu is like a slightly more stabilised testing so it is the option for me
[12:28] <mhz> mwright1night: my only prob. is that i don't know why but i just love the APT and the way .deb look :D
[12:28] <mwright1night> yum works fine.. it's just slow
[12:28] <mhz> indeed
[12:28] <mhz> however, if i had to decide for a rpm distro... i'd go with SuSe
[12:28] <mhz> YaST rock very badly
[12:29] <mhz> or opensuse, btw
[12:29] <gooseuk> Xandros is good too
[12:29] <mhz> gooseuk: yes
[12:29] <mwright1night> you have to pay for it don't you/
[12:29] <mhz> many distros are good
[12:29] <mwright1night> Any chance any of you know someone who can arrange to seed the official torrent of edubuntu
[12:29] <mhz> it all depends on what you are looking for. Even Gentoo is one of my favourites
[12:30] <mwright1night> Gentoo eek puke
[12:30] <mhz> hehehehehe
[12:30] <gooseuk> Well the screenshots of edu is impressive
[12:30] <mwright1night> now way, how painful
[12:30] <mhz> gooseuk: edubuntu installed, that is impressive!
[12:30] <mhz> :D
[12:30] <mwright1night> I think edubuntu will get a lot more exposure than k12ltsp and get a lot of educator .. hobby developer teacher types on board
[12:30] <mwright1night> I think this is going to be huge
[12:30] <gooseuk> lol I believe you, hopefully I will run the test tomorrow
[12:31] <mhz> Gentoo is absolutely possible to install using already compiled packages :D it's just that gentoo fans still prefer to do it manually
[12:31] <gooseuk> Well I am more than willing for you lot to get feed back from the school on your systen
[12:31] <gooseuk> system*
[12:32] <mhz> gooseuk: please, do provide feedback. Users tend to enjoy and forget what we need to improve is feedback and happy users
[12:33] <gooseuk> Only thing I would say is that the install options are confusing... if you hit install its the server edition... but there is another server option... 
[12:34] <gooseuk> What is Teachers pet as well?
[12:34] <mwright1night> Teachers pet
[12:34] <mwright1night> is it on the cd
[12:34] <gooseuk> It sounds interesting
[12:34] <mwright1night> how did you get the edubuntu cd?
[12:34] <mwright1night> I can't download it at present
[12:34] <gooseuk> whats its purpose?
[12:34] <gooseuk> I downloaded it today
[12:34] <mwright1night>  Teaacher tool is a rewrite of Teacherspet
[12:34] <mwright1night> no sorry otherway around
[12:34] <mwright1night> where did you download edubuntu from?
[12:35] <gooseuk> I was given a link in channel
[12:36] <mwright1night> A seed has arrived
[12:36] <mwright1night> can you seed it then
[12:36] <mwright1night> copy your torrent directory
[12:36] <gooseuk> I downloaded it about erm... 3 oclock
[12:36] <mwright1night> and then download the .torrent file
[12:37] <gooseuk> mwright: Are you asking me to seed it?
[12:37] <mhz> gooseuk: just hit <enter> at booting prompt, unless you do not want edubuntu to be installed. If so, then just use another options in F2 or F3, i dont remember
[12:38] <gooseuk> roger Mhz, from the programs listed in the screenshots they are perfect for the primary school
[12:38] <mwright1night> what does f2 f3 do?
[12:38] <mwright1night> it's just an install cd, not a live cd isn't it
[12:38] <mhz> yes, install cd
[12:39] <gooseuk> Some one said april for the Live CD? Is that true?
[12:39] <mhz> Fx -> server  /  workstation  -> others
[12:39] <mhz> gooseuk: why not? it all depends on how many hands are available and commited to help
[12:39] <mhz> :D
[12:41] <mhz> well guys... i have to go back and translate and edit some edubuntu docs on the wiki
[12:41] <mhz> ping me if you think i can help you
[12:41] <gooseuk> my programing knowledge is limited to say the 
[12:41] <gooseuk> least
[12:41] <mhz> but i am sure there's always gonna be someone else. and mwright1night i am sorry i can't seed :9
[12:54] <gooseuk> Is there a Gaelic version of Edu?
[12:55] <Toothpick> Who is working on a linux grade program that rivals Thinkwave...
[12:56] <mhz_on_wiki> mwright1night: btw, did you know that by installing ubuntu breezy and then apt-get install edubuntu-desktop will give you an edubuntu environment?
[12:57] <mhz_on_wiki> Toothpick: what you mean by 'linux grade progam'? 
[12:58] <Toothpick> I mean a grading program, like for a teacher to manage grades and such.
[12:58] <mhz_on_wiki> oooohhh
[12:58] <Toothpick> thinkwave educator is a program I use, and one of the few that keeps me on windows often.
[12:59] <mhz_on_wiki> hmm, maybe you could ask in #schooltool  I do not know about that kind of apps yet, sorry
[12:59] <mhz_on_wiki> Toothpick: i am sure #schooltool gang has tested many programs
[01:00] <Toothpick> I am there now...never heard of it..thanks
[01:12] <mhz_on_wiki> Toothpick: did you use www.google.com/linux  and search for thinkwave educator ?
[01:20] <Toothpick> I've tried it via wine
[01:20] <Toothpick> but not that search
[02:27] <JohnnyCastaway> Ok I d/led it am installing it and it slows to a crawl at 6% any suggestions?\
[02:29] <JohnnyCastaway> Thats kind of the same that I thought
[02:30] <crimsun> are you using a mirror?
[02:30] <JohnnyCastaway> I am installing from the cd
[02:30] <JohnnyCastaway> I think
[02:30] <JohnnyCastaway> How do I tell it to use a mirror
[02:31] <crimsun> what is at doing at 6%?
[02:31] <JohnnyCastaway> I hit enter at the start.. Let it do its own partitioning now its crawling
[02:31] <JohnnyCastaway> Right now it says klibc-utils
[02:32] <JohnnyCastaway> Changes every minute or two
[02:32] <JohnnyCastaway> It says installing the base system
[02:33] <JohnnyCastaway> I even reburned the disc
[02:33] <JohnnyCastaway> A new one I should say
[02:34] <JohnnyCastaway> Now it says libklibc
[02:36] <JohnnyCastaway> It says retrieving less..i see some cdrom activity...isit gettting from cdrom or network?
[02:50] <magnon> congrats on release, team!
[03:51] <mwright1night> hi
[04:10] <zmef420> hello all
[04:10] <zmef420> uhhmmm, no live cd of edubuntu?
[04:36] <magnon> ogra: up?
[05:55] <mhz> re
[05:55] <magnon> hey
[05:55] <mhz> hey magnon 
[06:40] <highvoltage> should i remove ppc from frontpage?
[06:40] <mhz> boooo
[06:40] <highvoltage> hi mhz 
[06:40] <mhz> I wanted PPC so badly
[06:41] <mhz> hip
[06:41] <mhz> how's you latin sense of humour "these days, father?"
[06:42] <highvoltage> still very South African, thank you very much :)
[06:42] <mhz> hehehe
[06:42] <highvoltage> i think ppc will be fixed. i don't think there's a finality around it, unless ogra said something else.
[06:43] <mhz> highvoltage: any news on how soon we'll be able to write WikiPage/SubPage
[06:44] <mhz> without cgi or something issues?
[06:44] <highvoltage> did you also get cgi issues?
[06:44] <mhz> yes
[06:44] <highvoltage> i got it yesterday and some people didn't seem to believe me.
[06:44] <mhz> it does esp. when /sub pages
[06:45] <highvoltage> i don't know what's going to happen to the wiki. i think it needs a lot of work.
[06:45] <mhz> highvoltage: "i believe"
[06:45] <mhz> highvoltage: i am more than willing to give that fight
[06:45] <highvoltage> hehe. "the truth is out there"
[06:45] <mhz> lol
[06:45] <mhz> see? you just can't help it
[06:45] <highvoltage> oh behave
[06:47] <mhz> jsgotangco: welcomeback
[06:47] <jsgotangco> salut
[06:47] <mhz> "those about to die"
[06:47] <jsgotangco> what's the news with the wiki?
[06:47] <mhz> lol
[06:48] <mhz> besides the cd slip and labels that still get no feddback (except by Yagisan).. none
[06:48] <jsgotangco> (aren't you supposed to sleep still or just woke up too early)
[06:48] <mhz> jsgotangco: i decided to wait and talk to henrik first
[06:48] <jsgotangco> cd slips?
[06:48] <jsgotangco> are they on the wiki?
[06:48] <mhz> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCdAndSlip
[06:49] <jsgotangco> checking
[06:49] <mhz> jsgotangco: nop, this is you thinking you are awake
[06:49] <mhz> :)
[06:49] <jsgotangco> i just came from my daughter's school party so i'm pretty awake
[06:50] <mhz> i haven't gone to bed yet since 08:00 am. it's about 02 am now
[06:50] <mhz> it seems that most of us have daughters
[06:50] <jsgotangco> the front slip case is kind of cool but it seems empty with using white...
[06:51] <jsgotangco> same with the back...
[06:51] <jsgotangco> the cd with the earth and kids is really nice
[06:52] <mhz> the reason of white is mainly because every time i imagine "new born" i imagine white. for me, edubuntu is new born
[06:52] <jsgotangco> okay..
[06:52] <mhz> yes, we can fill in the white with light grey lines or stuff if needed.
[06:52] <Yagisan> mhz: In Japan - white is for death
[06:52] <jsgotangco> it just feels kind of empty space to me
[06:52] <jsgotangco> yes
[06:52] <jsgotangco> most astian countries do
[06:53] <jsgotangco> s/astian/asian
[06:53] <mhz> Yagisan: thx for the "help"
[06:53] <mhz> LOL
[06:53] <jsgotangco> we wear white for burials
[06:54] <Yagisan> mhz: as I suggested - perhaps colourful for the cd ? The slip is nice
[06:54] <mhz> it's good we have 2 people's feedback now.
[06:54] <Yagisan> black and white always have cultural aspects to them
[06:55] <mhz> if it is not much to bother with, could you wiki the feedback? so we all read both irc people and anyone?
[06:56] <Yagisan> mhz: I don't see an edit button on that page
[06:57] <mhz> Yagisan: on the other hand, it is good to use white then. We'll simbolize the death of former education and represent the new one
[06:57] <mhz> are you loged in?
[07:01] <Yagisan> mhz: oops - no
[08:26] <JaneW> hello
[08:41] <highvoltage> JaneW: if you need something to be fixed on the website in a hurry, my cellphone number is +27 72 399 6864.
[08:41] <highvoltage> JaneW: i can always connect via gprs and make a quick fix if needed.
[08:43] <JaneW> highvoltage: thanks, but we wouldn;t have woken you for that! -> moving to #edubuntu
[08:43] <JaneW> highvoltage: did you manage to change the front page yet
[08:43] <JaneW> ?
[08:44] <highvoltage> yet
[08:44] <highvoltage> i mean..
[08:44] <highvoltage> yes
[08:45] <\sh> good morning 
[08:46] <\sh> ogra told me to come along and ask what has to be done for edubuntu ;)
[08:48] <highvoltage> how do i rsync an ubuntu iso cd again?
[08:48] <highvoltage> \sh: hi, welcome to #edubuntu and the edubuntu project!
[08:49] <highvoltage> \sh: i think a high priority is to get the ppc edition working
[08:49] <\sh> rsync -CvzapP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/breezy-install-i386.iso .
[08:50] <highvoltage> \sh: thank you
[08:50] <\sh> highvoltage: I heard the mess with the linux kernel stuff on ppc yesterday...
[08:50] <\sh> highvoltage: adjust the path to the isos when u need another one
[08:50] <highvoltage> \sh: ok thanks, i'm going to adjust it to the edubuntu one
[08:51] <\sh> highvoltage: I'm just downloading the amd64 dvd iso to test with ogra this afternoon/evening when I'm visiting him...
[08:52] <highvoltage> what's the edubuntu cd image name again?
[08:52] <\sh> highvoltage: if you need a fast connection to them, I get give u http access
[08:52] <highvoltage> \sh: thanks, our connection is very slow on this side so i don't think it would make too much difference :(
[08:52] <highvoltage> \sh: what's your real name?
[08:52] <\sh> highvoltage: StephanHermann :)
[08:53] <highvoltage> ah, i read all your stuff on planet all the time :)
[08:53] <\sh> highvoltage: hehe...I will never start a blog again in my next life...promised ;)
[08:53] <\sh> highvoltage: cd image or dvd?
[08:54] <\sh> edubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso <- cd i386
[08:54] <\sh> change i386 with amd64 for the other iso ;)
[08:54] <highvoltage> we could do with a StephanHermann on the edubuntu team ;)
[08:55] <\sh> highvoltage: well....I think ogra told me something like "We need a bigger community"...so let's start 
[08:55] <highvoltage> rsync: link_stat "daily/current/edubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso" (in cdimage) failed: No such file or directory (2)
[08:56] <\sh> highvoltage: u don't sync from releases? u try to sync from cdimage...
[08:56] <\sh> highvoltage: the name on cdimage is different
[08:57] <JaneW> \sh: I hear you are going to help ogra unwind and relax... he needs it
[08:57] <JaneW> \sh: have you made a plan re biltong yet?
[08:58] <\sh> JaneW: yeah...when I saw him the last time, he looked very burned out...he needs a rest really
[08:58] <JaneW> \sh: and he deserves it
[08:58] <\sh> JaneW: charles will smuggle some for me ;)
[08:58] <JaneW> \sh: make sure he has a bit of fun please
[08:58] <\sh> JaneW: we will have fun :) 
[08:58] <JaneW> \sh: ok good, is that arranged?
[08:58] <highvoltage> ah yes, \sh was in durban :)
[08:58] <\sh> JaneW: yeah :)
[08:58] <\sh> highvoltage: not only durban :)
[08:59] <\sh> most of the time, yes ;) 
[08:59] <\sh> JaneW: u never told me, btw, that your son is a karateka :)
[08:59] <\sh> JaneW: I hope he's doing shotokan karate?
[09:00] <JaneW> \sh: he had his first grading a short while ago and got 2 stripes ;)
[09:01] <\sh> JaneW: hehe...well my little one has the blue belt now :) 
[09:01] <\sh> ah coffee time..brb
[09:01] <JaneW> \sh: he does karate at school, but the sensei comes from a dojo called Samurai, so I think it's samurai based - the head of the dojo does sword work etc
[09:02] <JaneW> \sh: age? 
[09:09] <highvoltage> \sh:  should "rsync -CvzapP --stats rsync://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/edubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso ." work?
[09:09] <\sh> JaneW: 12 :)
[09:10] <\sh> highvoltage: if releases has a rsync daemon running yes...but for this ask kamion 
[09:11] <\sh> JaneW: he had his 12th birthday friday last week 
[09:12] <highvoltage> ok, thanks
[09:13] <\sh> JaneW: last year was a WYKC here in germany (World Youth Karate Championships). I had some nice chats with the group of karatekas from all over ZA there..they're were good, really good.
[10:07] <JaneW> \sh: great
[10:07] <JaneW> \sh: is ogra sleeping?
[10:13] <jsgotangco> hey JaneW
[10:13] <jsgotangco> nice cake
[10:13] <jsgotangco> congratulations
[10:14] <JaneW> hi jsgotangco 
[10:14] <JaneW> thanks
[10:14] <JaneW> thanks
[10:14] <JaneW> and thanks to you :)
[10:15] <JaneW> jsgotangco: thanks for being our most loyal (and always here) helper :)
[10:16] <\sh> JaneW: I hope so :) 
[10:19] <bjweeks> Hello
[10:22] <jsgotangco> loyal?
[10:22] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:22] <jsgotangco> joke
[10:24] <JaneW> heh
[10:24] <Jeromee> =P
[10:25] <jsgotangco> ahh k
[10:25] <jsgotangco> i also got emails regarding that kind of thing
[10:25] <\sh> JaneW: good luck :)
[10:25] <JaneW> ta
[10:34] <JaneW> highvoltage: ping
[10:34] <JaneW> lol
[10:34] <JaneW> Twylite http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuScreenShots?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=t_khangman.png : did someone actually proof-read this website ?!
[10:35] <jsgotangco> it was a pun
[10:35] <jsgotangco> wtf
[10:35] <jsgotangco> pretty bad pun thogh
[10:42] <jsgotangco> brb going to take a nap
[10:45] <highvoltage> JaneW
[10:53] <bjweeks> hey
[10:54] <bjweeks> I need help installing edubunu
[10:55] <highvoltage> JaneW: hehe, on what channel was that?
[10:57] <highvoltage> bjweeks: questions? fire away!
[10:57] <bjweeks> ok so Im going to install the server
[10:57] <bjweeks> but what do I have to do to the clients?
[11:02] <bjweeks> ???
[11:03] <highvoltage> you want to boot them as ltsp clients?
[11:03] <highvoltage> you need a network boot client.
[11:03] <highvoltage> there are two big ones: etherboot and PXE.
[11:03] <highvoltage> most of the new motherboards with built-in motherboards also have PXE installed, all you need to do is enable network booting in the bios.
[11:03] <bjweeks> so i have to change the lan boot rom?
[11:03] <highvoltage> yes.
[11:04] <highvoltage> that's about all you need to do :)
[11:04] <highvoltage> if it's older machines,
[11:04] <JaneW> highvoltage: #Linix on Zanet
[11:04] <JaneW> #linux even
[11:04] <bjweeks> Yes the one i have for testing has Lan boot
[11:04] <highvoltage> you can use etherboot: http://rom-o-matic.net
[11:04] <highvoltage> excellent.
[11:04] <JaneW> highvoltage: it's where I started (100 years ago)
[11:04] <JaneW> highvoltage: I am trying to convert them...
[11:05] <highvoltage> #linux on zanet is quite rubbish, imo.
[11:05] <highvoltage> JaneW: i'm always on #clug, our local LUG.
[11:06] <JaneW> heh I just realised I have been on the inetrnet for 10 years this month (although I had e-mail before that - but the only other ppl I knew with e-mail were on campus on that was just LAN traffic).
[11:06] <JaneW> highvoltage: I know all the ppl there though, most IRL ;P
[11:06] <highvoltage> ah
[11:07] <JaneW> highvoltage: it's all the old #za ppl from saponet
[11:08] <bjweek> ok back
[11:10] <JaneW> highvoltage: doesn't make them *not* dorks though ;)
[11:10] <JaneW> highvoltage: several of us even paired up (sad hey?)...
[11:12] <highvoltage> geez! :)
[11:17] <bjweek> installing edubuntu :)
[11:20] <enyc> 0000
[11:22] <highvoltage> 0001
[11:22] <highvoltage> 0010
[11:22] <highvoltage> 0011
[11:22] <highvoltage> 0100
[11:22] <highvoltage> 0101
[11:23] <enyc> 0110
[11:23] <enyc> 0111
[11:23] <enyc> 1000
[11:23] <enyc> 1001
[11:23] <enyc> 1010
[11:23] <bjweek> binary?
[11:23] <enyc> mafbe
[11:23] <enyc> waybe
[11:23] <enyc> argh
[11:23] <bjweek> lol
[11:23] <enyc> MAYBE
[11:24] <bjweek> lol i love dvorak
[11:24] <enyc> btu ive only been trying for 3 days so far...
[11:27] <JaneW> looks/sounds freaky
[11:27] <JaneW> and I am a bad enough typer anyway
[11:39] <enyc> 'lol
[11:41] <bjweek> ok done installing but i got a login screen
[11:41] <bjweek> is that right?
[11:42] <bjweek> ?
[11:43] <bjweek> smart people?
[11:45] <highvoltage> bjweek: i'm not smart, but getting a logon screen after installation is a good thing.
[11:45] <highvoltage> that i know.
[11:45] <bjweek> ok thx
[11:45] <bjweek> So now I can netboot?
[11:45] <highvoltage> you can log on using the username and password you supplied during installation.
[11:46] <bjweek> yes
[11:46] <highvoltage> yes, you should be able to netboot now.
[11:46] <bjweek> Did they include teachearspet?
[11:46] <juliux> ogra, ping
[11:47] <highvoltage> ogra is working on teachertool, i'm not sure if the entire teachertool is finished yet, or where to find it in edubuntu.
[11:47] <highvoltage> JaneW: do you know?
[11:47] <bjweek> be back in a few mins going to try it :)
[11:48] <ogra> morning world
[11:48] <ogra> juliux, pong
[11:48] <Jeromee> mornin ogra
[11:48] <ogra> highvoltage, no teachertool yet, i'm going on with the work on it next week, i'll care for a backport to breezy once its done
[11:48] <\sh> hey ogra :)
[11:48] <ogra> moin \sh 
[11:49] <JaneW> highvoltage: um... I think it's in universe
[11:49] <JaneW> oh hi ogra
[11:49] <JaneW> did you sleep well?
[11:49] <ogra> so so
[11:49] <\sh> ogra: u have a dvd burner at home? I don't have a dvd media to burn on..*sigh*
[11:49] <JaneW> hmmm
[11:49] <enyc> hello \\\s\h ;-)
[11:49] <ogra> still not enough to get through completely...
[11:49] <\sh> enyc: ehe :)
[11:49] <ogra> but the weekend is ahead :)
[11:50] <Jeromee> hmm
[11:50] <ogra> highvoltage, ltsp is not running directly after install, thats why EdubuntuInstallNotes exists... point people there first...
[11:51] <juliux> ogra, can i use systemsnapshots with edubuntu?
[11:51] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, thanks, my edubuntu md5 sum didn't match, so i'm rsyncing, i don't actually have a new edubuntu cd yet :(
[11:51] <enyc> my md5sum worked ;-)
[11:51] <ogra> juliux, systemsnapshots ? 
[11:52] <juliux> ogra, yes you make a snapshot of a partition after install and than you can every time reset to this snapshot
[11:53] <juliux> ogra, with snapshots it is possible to crypt the root partiton
[11:53] <ogra> juliux, nope, but thats a nice idea to incorporate in our teacher tool... i'm not sure, probably sabayon offers such functionallity...
[11:53] <ogra> (not for the whole system, but for accounts)
[11:54] <juliux> ogra, an with snapshots you also can reset the home partition of an user if there is any problem
[11:54] <ogra> sabayon sadly has a bad bug that prevents it from working through ltsp, so we couldnt include it yet
[11:54] <bjweeks> hey
[11:55] <bjweeks> I have to use a switch not a router right?
[11:55] <ogra> bjweeks, depends....
[11:55] <juliux> ogra, if you only want to crypt an other partition you can use cryptsetup
[11:55] <ogra> i'd use a router for routing and a switch for switching :)
[11:56] <bjweeks> Ok cause i just set it up and it didnt connect
[11:56] <ogra> bjweeks, you set up what, and what didnt connect ? 
[11:57] <ogra> ("it" is a bit unspecific ;) )
[11:57] <bjweeks> I have the edubuntu running in own box behind the router and my other box using the "Nvida boot agent" and is stops on dhcp...
[11:57] <bjweeks> one*
[11:58] <ogra> and the one with the boot agent shall act as thin client ? 
[11:58] <bjweeks> correct
[11:58] <ogra> did you follow http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes to set up ltsp after install ? 
[11:59] <bjweeks> Nope let me go do that
[11:59] <ogra> there is one manual step required ... (will go away in the next release)
[12:01] <ogra> juliux, i have no experience with crypto stuff nor with system hardening but i'd be grateful if someone with knowledge would take that part for eduuntu :)
[12:01] <ogra> *edubuntu ... whoops
[12:02] <juliux> ogra, i install edubuntu at this time in a vmware and i will play a litte bit with edubuntu
[12:03] <bjweeks> It still wont boot..
[12:03] <ogra> juliux, great :)
[12:03] <bjweeks> o wait
[12:04] <ogra> bjweeks, does it get a dhcp address ? and does it do the tftp dance on boot ?
[12:04] <\sh> juliux: thx for your help :) I owe u one :)
[12:04] <ogra> bjweeks, the first boot always takes a bit longer
[12:04] <bjweeks> When I try to start the dhcp server it asys fail
[12:04] <juliux> \sh, no problem yesterday i wasn't a help because i did not get the images
[12:04] <bjweeks>  * Starting DHCP server...                                               [fail] 
[12:04] <ogra> bjweeks, you did what the help suggests ? 
[12:05] <bjweeks> Replaceing the 192.168.0 with the ip i put in
[12:05] <bjweeks> ?
[12:05] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup
[12:05] <ogra> yes
[12:05] <bjweeks> Im there
[12:05] <bjweeks> I fail on sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start
[12:06] <\sh> juliux: it's ok..but at least you heard the call :)
[12:06] <ogra> bjweeks, then your file is not right yet... can you paste the output of ifconfig and the content of the file somewhere ? 
[12:06] <bjweeks> Can I pm it to you?
[12:06] <ogra> sure
[12:10] <Jeromee> I should put edubuntu in my car.
[12:10] <Jeromee> hh
[12:10] <Jeromee> heh*
[12:11] <ogra> you have a pc in your car ? 
[12:11] <Jeromee> I probably will
[12:11] <Jeromee> for audio/dvd/navi
[12:12] <Jeromee> getting a sound card that will connect up to my amps properly, and produce decent sound while being compatable with any linux distrobution would be a silly task though.
[12:12] <juliux> ogra, that i want do http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/EVMS-Snapshots_mit_Verschl%C3%BCsselung
[12:13] <ogra> juliux, did you show that to pitti already ? 
[12:13] <Jeromee> haha, want a WRX Edubuntu demo car?
[12:13] <ogra> he's mr security 
[12:13] <Jeromee> :P
[12:13] <juliux> ogra, no
[12:13] <ogra> Jeromee, yeah
[12:14] <Jeromee> lol.
[12:14] <Jeromee> ogra, pm
[12:16] <juliux> ogra, now he knows the link
[12:17] <ogra> yup, i saw
[12:27] <bjweeks> Teachers Pet didnt make it in right?
[12:27] <ogra> yup
[12:30] <bjweeks> Sounds are only on the server?
[12:32] <highvoltage> bjweeks: do you see a little cross where the volume controll is on the clients?
[12:32] <bjweeks> yes
[12:32] <bjweeks> I unmuted it thi
[12:32] <bjweeks> tho
[12:41] <bjweeks> Going to bed thanks for all the help and goodnight
[12:53] <highvoltage> ping -b
[12:55] <ogra> Usage: ping [-LRUbdfnqrvVaA]  [-c count]  [-i interval]  [-w deadline] 
[12:55] <ogra>             [-p pattern]  [-s packetsize]  [-t ttl]  [-I interface or address] 
[12:55] <ogra>             [-M mtu discovery hint]  [-S sndbuf] 
[12:55] <ogra>             [ -T timestamp option ]  [ -Q tos ]  [hop1 ...]  destination
[12:55] <variant> hi guys
[12:55] <ogra> hi variant 
[12:55] <highvoltage> ogra: :)
[12:55] <ogra> :)
[12:56] <highvoltage> ogra: just saw you at the edubuntu cake eating
[12:56] <ogra> huh...
[12:56] <ogra> me ? 
[12:56] <highvoltage> yep
[12:56] <highvoltage> http://jonathancarter.co.za/photies/Edubuntu-Launch-Cake-14-October-2005
[12:56] <ogra> hmm, my stomach disagrees :)
[12:57] <ogra> it hasnt recieved any food today it tells me :)
[12:57] <ogra> lol
[12:57] <ogra> whats that in my hand ? 
[12:58] <highvoltage> a big jelly tot :)
[12:58] <ogra> heh
[12:58] <variant> My brother is a computing and maths teacher in a Shetland high school.. he is forced to have winxp on the workstations but has been using knoppix as a live cd to teach the kids about Free Software.. Is there any plans to release an Edubuntu live CD? If not... I think i should be able to do one my self but it would be easyer to just download an existing one :)
[12:59] <ogra> variant, yes, the next release will have a live CD...
[12:59] <ogra> we had much trouble getting this release together, so the liveCD was postponed...
[12:59] <variant> allso, from the screenshots i guess that most of the educational software is aimed at younger kids.. is there much teenager level software available?
[12:59] <variant> ogra: i see, thats excelent!
[01:00] <ogra> how would you characterize teenager software ? 
[01:01] <ogra> (we cant include counterstrike and halflife ;) )
[01:01] <variant> hmm, software that doesnt use cartoon illustratoins instead of words and contains A-level type material (UK A-levels studied by 18 year olds in case your not from UK)
[01:01] <variant> hahah i dont mean games at all..
[01:01] <variant> :P
[01:02] <ogra> :)
[01:02] <variant> ktouch is a nice example.. its not patroniseing or anything
[01:02] <variant> and tuxtype is good for younger kids
[01:02] <variant> kstars and celestia allso
[01:02] <ogra> we have a lot of kdeedu stuff in
[01:02] <variant> whats that other star one?
[01:02] <variant> stellarium i think
[01:03] <ogra> celestia didnt fit on the CD together ith kstars... we had to decide for one...
[01:03] <ogra> kstars is in ...
[01:03] <ogra> but indeed you can chnage the software selection by yourself...
[01:03] <variant> I dont know so much about it though.. what im trying to say is.. do you think the edubuntu CD is suitable for a 12 to 18 year old environment?
[01:04] <variant> ogra: yeah.. he will only be using the live cd though.. can they be easily remasterd?
[01:04] <ogra> i think it might work up to 16... 18 is a bit to old ... when i was 18 i would rather have used a default ubuntu...
[01:04] <ogra> yup
[01:05] <JaneW> http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=471&slide=4&title=edubuntu+5.10+official+screenshots
[01:05] <variant> well thats great.. thanks man!
[01:05] <ogra> there is a remastering howto on the ubuntu wiki somewhere... since edubuntu is developed *in* ubuntu, it will be the same procedure
[01:05] <variant> nice screenshots
[01:06] <variant> whats that image browser? http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=471&slide=37
[01:06] <ogra> yeah, they updated :)
[01:06] <variant> oh, nm user selection
[01:07] <highvoltage> my word. how did they choose these picures? http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=471&slide=37
[01:07] <variant> gnome-2.12 as well, thats awsome
[01:07] <variant> highvoltage: i think they are wikipedia pictures of the day
[01:07] <variant> i recognise a few of them (i save most of the pic of the days for wallpapers)
[01:08] <variant> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_pictures
[01:10] <variant> ogra: does it come with stellarium? thats rather an excelent peice of software
[01:10] <highvoltage> ah, cool. they reminded me of the pics in windows, then again, it's been so long that i've used windows that my memory might be just a bit warped :)
[01:10] <variant> highvoltage: lol
[01:10] <ogra> variant, nope ... 
[01:11] <variant> ogra: time for a liveDVD :)
[01:11] <ogra> heh
[01:11] <ogra> if we have the liveCD, the DVD will contain both, live and install image ;)
[01:11] <variant> cool
[01:11] <variant> is there an live cd i can download yet?
[01:12] <ogra> stellarium is available in universe ... probably something to consider for next release
[01:12] <variant> one in testing or somthign
[01:12] <ogra> nope
[01:12] <ogra> you could download the ubuntu liveCD and add (by remastering) edubuntu-desktop to it
[01:12] <mhz> hey
[01:13] <Yagisan> hey mhz
[01:13] <variant> ogra: universe?
[01:13] <ogra> i'm not sure if we'll make a ltsp live version... it would be cool, but break for more than one, two clients
[01:13] <Yagisan> mhz: you do web stuff right ?
[01:13] <mhz> Yagisan: isn't it late for you?
[01:13] <Yagisan> mhz: only 9:15PM here
[01:13] <mhz> Yagisan: we, Tecnocimiento, do
[01:13] <variant> mind if i idle here incase i get more questions? :)
[01:14] <mhz> ohhh
[01:14] <ogra> variant, yes... universe is the community supported part of ubuntu... it holds 16000 packages for installation
[01:14] <mhz> just an hour diff
[01:14] <variant> ogra: nice
[01:14] <ogra> variant, stay please :)
[01:14] <variant> aww, thanks!
[01:14] <ogra> idle as you like ;)
[01:14] <Yagisan> mhz: an hour ??
[01:14] <variant> gonna sign up to the mailing list
[01:15] <mhz> well, sorry, 13
[01:15] <mhz> :D
[01:15] <mhz> wow, huge diff
[01:15] <juliux> ogra, edubuntu runs in my vmware now
[01:15] <ogra> yay
[01:15] <juliux> ogra, but the icons in the bottom pannel are broken
[01:16] <Yagisan> mhz: that's a good point for the proposal :) have you worked with plone ?
[01:16] <ogra> juliux, are you logged in twice with the same user ? 
[01:16] <juliux> ogra, server an client a in vmare, very crasy but it wrks
[01:16] <juliux> ogra, yes
[01:16] <juliux> s/a/are
[01:17] <ogra> juliux, gnome doesnt like that ...
[01:17] <juliux> ogra, ah ok
[01:17] <ogra> use another user :)
[01:17] <mhz> Yagisan: hmmm, what do you mean? proposal+plone
[01:17] <variant> btw, totaly uninteresting information to anyone except me (im just too exited to keep it quiet right now) I just got my first job in 3 months of unemployment this morning!!! tech support!! woohoo!
[01:17] <ogra> something i have to look into for next release...
[01:17] <ogra> variant, congrats !
[01:17] <variant> thanks !!!
[01:18] <variant> gotta move to ireland (from sweden) next week now :S
[01:18] <juliux> ogra, greate work
[01:19] <Yagisan> variant: congratulations
[01:19] <ogra> thanks :)
[01:19] <variant> thank you thank you.. /me shuts up now :P
[01:20] <mhz> variant: that rocks!
[01:21] <ogra> mhz, could you put my answer back below the RalpGlass comment ? 
[01:21] <ogra> mhz, thanks for caring for all this wiki stuff btw :)
[01:22] <mhz> np
[01:22] <mhz> np 2 2 stuff :D
[01:23] <mhz> ogra: i tought that was the intro and not the answer, sorry.
[01:23] <ogra> heh
[01:23] <ogra> please file bugs might not be a good intro for a "user comments" page :) 
[01:23] <ogra> *grin*
[01:24] <mhz> lol
[01:27] <juliux> ogra, how can i shut down a client?
[01:28] <juliux> ogra, i see the ltsp display manager but i don't want log in i want to shut down the computer
[01:28] <ogra> logout and use the powerbutton
[01:28] <mhz> ogra: BTW, just to spice a little bit your wiki knowledge. In moin, if you want others to see that you edited something, you may use a nice feature. Just add @SIG@ to the end of a comment you made and once you save the page, Moin will immediately place a timestamp for you (user logged in + timestamp). 
[01:28] <ogra> the client is using a read only filesystem...
[01:29] <juliux> ogra, thanks
[01:29] <ogra> juliux, the next version of the login manager already runs here, i'll add a shutdown button 
[01:30] <juliux> ogra, great
[01:30] <ogra> juliux, in case you want to have a look http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/
[01:30] <ogra> (see ldm_installation)
[01:30] <juliux> ogra, i never installed a ltsp so easy
[01:31] <variant> Is the live cd expected to support frame buffer?
[01:31] <ogra> it still requires one manual step.... my target was to have no manual work involved at all
[01:32] <juliux> ogra, but this is no prolem
[01:32] <ogra> variant, yes... after the initial questions
[01:32] <JaneW> ogra: distro watch is advertising PPC for edubuntu... http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=02971#0
[01:32] <variant> ogra: in that case i might have a good sugestion..
[01:32] <variant> hold on a sec :)
[01:32] <JaneW> ogar: they must have used an draft release announcement
[01:33] <ogra> JaneW, actually i think thats fine, because we can see how many requests we'll get but can point to an error on distrowatch as excuse ;)
[01:33] <JaneW> ogra: ok, that's a point ;)
[01:34] <ogra> variant, note that we only support vga16fb ... no more than 16 colors
[01:34] <variant> ogra: eek, how come?
[01:34] <JaneW> ogra: I hope you have some resting, relaxing and fun planned - wish you could have had some cake with you. We mentioned you and sang your praises though. 'Oli of Edu'
[01:35] <ogra> JaneW, the desktop works fine on ubuntu... you just need to install edubuntu-desktop on top, so ppc is not completely locked out
[01:35] <ogra> JaneW, i saw the pics, lol
[01:36] <juliux> ogra, i think we will use edubuntu at  the fairs in germany
[01:36] <ogra> variant, because other framebuffer implementations only work on 80% of all hardware... we cant lock out 20% of the users :)
[01:36] <ogra> juliux, yay!
[01:36] <juliux> ogra, an then 2 kinds of log in one normal ubuntu and one edubuntu
[01:36] <ogra> juliux, i'll see which ones i can attend :)
[01:38] <ogra> one i nver miss is FOSDEM, not really german, but i'm there every year
[01:38] <variant> ogra: I was going to sugest qingy (frame buffer getty replacement) it has a very nice themeable login system and its super fast and small compared with gdm/xdm
[01:38] <variant> or kdm i mean
[01:38] <juliux> ogra, because then the visitors can test ubuntu with there own notebooks 
[01:38] <ogra> variant, quingy even runs on less HW... not an option for a distro that get shipped to a broad audience
[01:39] <variant> ogra: damn shame
[01:39] <variant> i use it on my laptop though :P
[01:40] <mhz> variant: I have just instaled xubuntu and kubuntu desktops to try them on edubuntu env.
[01:40] <ogra> variant, its the fault of the graphics cards and bios manufacturers... you cant change whats already out there and broken by design HW wise... so we try to cope with it
[01:40] <variant> mhz: nice
[01:41] <ogra> but that forces decisions like "if we want a bootsplash, vga16fb is the only way to go"
[01:41] <mhz> variant: but I still can't make LDM to let me log in into any other desktop than gnome :(
[01:41] <ogra> mhz, i gave you the command to change it twice already...
[01:42] <variant> ogra: true.. its a shame but qingy and the kernel support for better frame buffers is not that large.. would a boot option be possible (not exactly a priority even if it is, i understand that :))
[01:42] <mhz> ogra: really???????????/
[01:42] <ogra> mhz, sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
[01:42] <ogra> select the default one :)
[01:42] <mhz> ah, but that didnot work at all
[01:42] <juliux> ogra, how long the clients normally needs to boot?
[01:42] <ogra> juliux, way to long :)
[01:42] <ogra> but below a minute i think
[01:43] <mhz> ogra: it always ended up showing same message: "there's only one manager"
[01:43] <Yagisan> juliux: I have a p2 300 - it takes about 1-2 minutes
[01:43] <juliux> Yagisan, thanks
[01:43] <ogra> mhz, even with kubuntu-desktop or xubuntu-desktop installed ? they register there
[01:43] <juliux> Yagisan, i cann't test it because server and client runs in vmware
[01:43] <mhz> yep.
[01:43] <ogra> Yagisan, woah -2 minutes ? 
[01:44] <ogra> we urgetly need to improve that
[01:44] <mhz> ogra: sorry i had not mentioned that result before
[01:44] <ogra> at least we'll have usplash in soon... so you get a bit entertainment :)
[01:45] <ogra> mhz, something is screwed then... if these packages are installed you must have the chioce there
[01:45] <Yagisan> ogra: it's not an issue, the is a delay for the nfs problem workaround, and in hardware autodetection
[01:45] <Yagisan> ogra: and my network is often congested
[01:45] <ogra> Yagisan, there is a "sleep 3" leftover in the bootscript
[01:46] <ogra> (just to give an example for mprovement)
[01:46] <Yagisan> ogra: and I should mention I boot via etherboot (and it also has a small delay)
[01:46] <ogra> Yagisan, i guess we can get it to 30 sec boots
[01:46] <mhz> ogra: WOW, sorry!!! it worked now that I rebooted after installing kubuntu-desktop!
[01:46] <ogra> :)
[01:46] <ogra> mhz, great
[01:47] <juliux> ogra, then you need gigaethernet in the server
[01:47] <ogra> but i still dont ger why ~/.xsession didnt work
[01:47] <mhz> now, the stupid issue here is that it worked on the laptop, but the other machine i have (desktop) doe snot boot from net, i believe. :D
[01:47] <juliux> ok
[01:48] <ogra> i have a very thick thin client for my tests :)
[01:48] <mhz> ogra: you are back to 'below' Ralph
[01:48] <Yagisan> ogra: sure - but it still boots rather quick compared other systems that I've run on that P2
[01:48] <ogra> (amd64, 512MB nvidia 6500 and gigE)
[01:48] <ogra> mhz, thanks
[01:48] <mhz> np
[01:48] <Yagisan> mhz: I can help with the non-net booting machine
[01:49] <mhz> cool, but could we try in about 15 mins?
[01:50] <Yagisan> mhz: sure - when you get back post the output from lspci | grep Ethernet
[01:51] <mhz> okidoki
[01:51] <mhz> thx
[01:52] <variant> how about initng support.. would that speed up a live cd at all?
[01:52] <ogra> nope
[01:53] <juliux> ogra, now i install edubuntu on my harddisk
[01:53] <ogra> the liveCD is based on the debian installer... you'd need to speed up this one...
[01:53] <ogra> juliux, cool :)
[01:57] <mhz> ogra: just in case any of the doc team is around... Moin has included a plugin to render Moin pages as DockBook, just from 'MoreActions' Drop down menu :D  EduCooool!
[01:58] <mhz> they can test it on the official site, of course
[01:59] <mhz_cooking> hno73: hi! will you be here in about 20-30 mins?
[01:59] <mhz_cooking> (please)
[02:00] <hno73> mhz_cooking: I'll be at lunch then, but I'll be back in 60-90 minutes from now
[02:10] <mhz_cooking> ooops
[02:11] <ogra> cool :)
[02:11] <mhz_cooking> Yagisan: sorry, but I'll have to run faster now
[02:12] <mhz_cooking> hno73: hmmm, no way I can be here by then
[02:12] <mhz_cooking> hno73: what other options of "ircing" do we have? later? tomorrow? usually, what time?
[02:12] <hno73> mhz_cooking: ok, I'll catch you this evening or at the weekend?
[02:12] <mhz_cooking> ogra: cool
[02:13] <mhz_cooking> hno73: i really appreciate and i'm sorry to be a pain in the neck :)
[02:13] <hno73> just ping me, even if i'm not in this chan.
[02:13] <mhz_cooking> ok
[02:13] <mhz_cooking> i think i'll be back on irc in about 5 hours
[02:13] <mhz_cooking> maybe/hopefully before
[02:14] <hno73> ok cya then
[02:14] <mhz_cooking> hno73: please see CD slip and label on wiki and tell me your opinion
[02:15] <hno73> I agree with whoever said it needs more colour
[02:16] <hno73> I'm also not thrilled by the stick figures for some reason
[02:16] <Zaheer> hello, Congrats on the first release Edubuntu :)
[02:18] <ogra> Zaheer, thanks a lot :)
[02:18] <juliux> ogra, how much swap i need for edubuntu?
[02:18] <Zaheer> i havent DL yet, need to check the bandwith but i cant wait
[02:19] <juliux> ogra, i one gb enough ?
[02:20] <ogra> juliux, hmm, none but enough mem ? 
[02:20] <ogra> juliux, if the server starts swapping you'll be lost anyway...it will get darn slow
[02:20] <ogra> so you only need it for security fallback... i regulary go with linus advice to use 50% ramsize... but that may be outdated...
[02:20] <ogra> i guess so
[02:20] <\sh> JaneW: ping
[02:20] <juliux> ogra, only 768MB ram
[02:20] <Yagisan> that would depend on your ramsize
[02:21] <ogra> 1gb should be plenty...
[02:21] <juliux> ogra, thxs
[02:32] <juliux> ogra, the edubuntu installer didn't download the languagepackages
[02:32] <ogra> juliux, do you have internet connection ? 
[02:33] <juliux> ogra, yes
[02:33] <ogra> strange... works here
[02:33] <juliux> ogra, there is no try to download them
[02:34] <ogra> it should do that after the ltsp chroot setup ...
[02:34] <ogra> right before reboot
[02:34] <juliux> ok i will wait
[02:34] <ogra> and it takes ages, the kde langpack is terrible big...
[02:35] <ogra> (15MB)
[02:35] <juliux> ogra, i have the de.archives.ubuntu.com mirror in the local lan :-)
[02:35] <ogra> heh
[02:35] <juliux> ogra, 6Mbit/s down
[02:35] <ogra> then it'll go quick... i thik it downloads 5 files or so
[02:36] <juliux> yes very quick
[02:55] <juliux_> re
[03:03] <JaneW> \sh_away: pong (sorry late)
[03:08] <juliux_> ogra, the language package are installed
[03:13] <highvoltage> JaneW: \sh: ping timeout :)
[03:17] <ogra> JaneW, he'll be here around 6pm again...
[03:18] <JaneW> ogra: I won't :P
[03:18] <Danborg> By default, Edubuntu installs an LTSP server... is there an option to install an thin client?
[03:18] <ogra> Danborg, ??
[03:18] <Danborg> ogra, ??
[03:18] <ogra> waht would you want to install on a thin client ? 
[03:19] <ogra> they are diskless
[03:19] <Danborg> not all thin clients are diskless
[03:19] <ogra> you mean thick clients
[03:19] <ogra> or half thick clients...
[03:19] <Danborg> well skinny clients if you prefer
[03:19] <ogra> which both are not supported in this release, they are targeted at the next one...
[03:20] <ogra> but i know highvoltage tweaks edubuntu to work like that
[03:20] <Danborg> so you must use fat client with edubuntu right now?
[03:21] <ogra> no, eithet the satndalone workstation or thin clients on the ltsp server
[03:21] <ogra> *either
[03:21] <Danborg> where is good docs for configuring thin clients
[03:22] <ogra> no need to configure anything
[03:22] <Danborg> (sigh)
[03:22] <Yagisan> Danborg: if I understand you - plug in a PXE system and boot up
[03:22] <ogra> just follow the post install steps on http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes and boot your diskless clients
[03:23] <Danborg> I think Yagisan understands my question better
[03:23] <ogra> there is nothing to do additionally
[03:23] <Danborg> Except that this old system is not PXE
[03:24] <ogra> Danborg, i dont understand what you want to configure ? you either boot via etherboot or PXE, the rest is done by ltsp...
[03:24] <Yagisan> Danborg: does it have a hard disk or can it boot from cdrom ?
[03:24] <ogra> indeed you can also use old school lts.conf setups with our ltsp server if you ike the pain
[03:24] <Yagisan> ogra: I think he needs to get old systems netbooting
[03:25] <ogra> Yagisan, yup, etherboot
[03:25] <Danborg> Yagisan, this system has both a hard disk and a cdrom, but no PXE nic.. it has old nic
[03:25] <Yagisan> Danborg: great I can help then
[03:25] <Yagisan> Danborg: would you rather a boot cd - or boot from hard disk
[03:26] <Danborg> cd would be more transportable to more than one machine
[03:26] <highvoltage> something that is quite critical.
[03:26] <highvoltage> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1
[03:26] <Yagisan> Danborg: It will be specfic to the type of network card in the machine anyway
[03:26] <highvoltage> is that a bug in eduntu yet?
[03:27] <Yagisan> Danborg: what NIC do you have ?
[03:27] <Yagisan> Danborg: $ lspci | grep Ethernet
[03:28] <ogra> highvoltage, yes, thats a thing that needs quite soe time for fixag :)
[03:28] <Danborg> FA311 from Netgear
[03:28] <Yagisan> Danborg (assuming you have linux of some sort on the client)
[03:30] <Yagisan> Danborg: do you know what chipset that uses ?
[03:31] <ogra> \sh, JaneW was looking for you...
[03:31] <ogra> gah, to slow
[03:31] <Danborg> National Semiconductor 
[03:32] <Yagisan> Danborg: ok - go here http://www.rom-o-matic.net/5.4.1/
[03:32] <Yagisan> Danborg: select natsemi from the NIC list
[03:32] <Yagisan> Danborg: select .liso for output format (for boot cd)
[03:33] <Yagisan> Danborg:click configure
[03:33] <Yagisan> Danborg: ping me when ready
[03:34] <Danborg> ok
[03:35] <Yagisan> Danborg: make sure PXELOADER_KEEP_ALL is ticked
[03:36] <Danborg> ok
[03:36] <Yagisan> Danborg: I also suggest ticking POWERSAVE, ALLMULTI, MULTICAST_LEVEL1, MULTICAST_LEVEL2, DOWNLOAD_PROTO_TFTM
[03:36] <Yagisan> Danborg: the click get rom
[03:36] <Yagisan> s/the/then
[03:37] <Yagisan> Danborg: the .liso file is a standard .iso file, burn it to a cd-rw (in case it don't work)
[03:37] <Yagisan> Danborg: and try to boot a client with it
[03:38] <Yagisan> ogra: if this isn't already on the wiki - you may want to paste it there
[03:38] <ogra> highvoltage, could you please add a note to the frontpage tha we'll have a liveCD ready with the next release 6.04 ? 
[03:38] <ogra> Yagisan, yes please :)
[03:39] <ogra> dont forget that we have to prefix all our sites with Edubuntu since the merge :)
[03:39] <Danborg> Yagisan, thank you, I will try it.
[03:39] <Yagisan> Danborg: I did this (but with zlilo images) for my office - it's just like having a pxe card then
[03:39] <Danborg> ok good, let me burn it and will came back later
[03:40] <Yagisan> Danborg: sure, let me know how it goes (I might not be here though GMT+10 here)
[03:42] <Yagisan> ogra: see, etherboot support isn't needed anymore, etherboot can pretend to be pxe now :)
[03:42] <ogra> cool
[03:42] <ogra> then we can wipe it from ltsp
[03:43] <ogra> the mknbi package we have was never tested :)
[03:43] <Yagisan> ogra: does need the extra prep work though to pretend to be pxe
[03:43] <ogra> yes, but thats not affecting ltsp :)
[03:44] <ogra> so we can clean up the server side and just point to rom-o-matic
[03:44] <ogra> what i really miss are PXE bootable wlan cards :)
[03:44] <Yagisan> ogra: where on the wiki should I put this
[03:45] <Yagisan> ogra: etherboot :)
[03:45] <ogra> EdubuntuLTSPEtherboot ? 
[03:45] <ogra> hmm, looks odd
[03:45] <ogra> EdubuntuEtherbootClients ? 
[03:45] <ogra> or ClientSetup
[03:46] <Yagisan> ogra: I'll go with clientsetup - we can put pxe notes as well there
[03:46] <ogra> what would you want to configure on PXE ? 
[03:49] <Yagisan> ogra: eg how to enable pxe on onboard nics etc
[03:49] <ogra> hmm, isnt tha always enabled by default ? 
[03:50] <ogra> i havent seen a card where its not yet...
[03:50] <Yagisan> ogra: no - my server box supports pxe - only after I go into the bios and tell it to turn pxe on
[03:50] <ogra> oh
[03:51] <Yagisan> ogra: I used to see some cards that needed you to press shift+F10 on boot to enable pxe as well
[03:51] <ogra> true, but they tell you that they need that ...
[03:52] <ogra> anywa, put it up on the page :) 
[03:52] <Yagisan> ogra: assuming that you see it scroll up
[03:52] <Yagisan> sure, be back soon - have to put daughter to bed - should take about 30 mins
[03:52] <Yagisan> if there is a page there to edit when I get back, great :)
[03:52] <ogra> take your time... 
[03:53] <ogra> i have to claen the house a bit before \sh comes
[04:08] <gooseuk> Afternoon folks
[04:26] <Yagisan> back again
[04:26] <gooseuk> wb
[04:27] <gooseuk> Yagisan: Are you a developer here?
[04:28] <Yagisan> gooseuk: not really - but I can probally help
[04:28] <Yagisan> gooseuk: whats on your mind ?
[04:29] <gooseuk> Well I hope to be installing the OS on a small primary school network, basically if I can install SafeSquid on to the OS
[04:30] <gooseuk> Can I install it onto each client?
[04:30] <Yagisan> gooseuk: I see, I don't see a safesquid package
[04:31] <Yagisan> gooseuk: safesquid - that's a web filter right ? (sounds like on)
[04:31] <Yagisan> one
[04:31] <gooseuk> Yeah its a webfilter
[04:32] <gooseuk> its rather important that I can install a webfilter
[04:32] <Yagisan> gooseuk: that would most likely need to be installed on the machine running squid
[04:33] <gooseuk> How do you mean?
[04:33] <Yagisan> gooseuk: you wouldn't need to install filters on the client
[04:33] <Yagisan> gooseuk: OK - how is your network set up ?
[04:34] <gooseuk> Internet -> Router -> Hub -> 10 clients
[04:35] <Yagisan> gooseuk: in between Internet and Router I would install a machine to do www proxy
[04:35] <gooseuk> Ok, Server basically then
[04:35] <Yagisan> gooseuk: yes
[04:36] <gooseuk> Hmm, should be interesting trying to learn how to network them... 
[04:36] <gooseuk> I haven't used Linux before for networking
[04:36] <Yagisan> now - there are two ways to do it, either a transparent proxy, or a non-transparent proxy
[04:36] <gooseuk> Whats the different?
[04:37] <Yagisan> gooseuk: It's harder for the client to bypass a transparent proxy, and less work configuring clients :)
[04:37] <Yagisan> gooseuk: but more work configuring the server :(
[04:38] <gooseuk> I see, ok
[04:38] <gooseuk> Well If I hook the Server up to the Router should it auto detect the internet?
[04:39] <Yagisan> gooseuk: brb
[04:41] <Yagisan> gooseuk: what you want is Internet -> Firewall -> WWW Proxy + Filter -> Router -> Hub -> 10 clients
[04:43] <Yagisan> gooseuk: looking for a nice howto for you
[04:43] <gooseuk> Many thanks Yagisan
[04:44] <Yagisan> gooseuk: I understand what you want to do, and if you have a spare box we can do it with Ubuntu
[04:44] <gooseuk> At the minute it will have to be Internet -> Server [Proxy + Firewall Software]  -> Hub -> 9 Clients
[04:44] <Yagisan> gooseuk - sure, that was just a logical breakdown
[04:45] <gooseuk> ::nods:: I will just going to have issues with the setting up of the IP/TCP settings for the server and clients 
[04:46] <gooseuk> Never done that, not to mention doing it with Linux lol
[04:48] <Yagisan> gooseuk: this is rather dry and technical - but it explains how to do transparent proxy services http://www.squid-cache.org/Doc/FAQ/FAQ-17.html
[04:51] <gooseuk> ... lol Thanks for finding that for me, I can see I am going to have issues
[04:52] <Yagisan> gooseuk: I'm looking for something easier, it's not that hard, but I'd like a more step by step guide
[04:52] <Yagisan> gooseuk: and it helps to be up to date
[04:53] <gooseuk> Yagisan, if I install Squid on every client in the Transparent mode, will it mean that I don't have to change any ip information etc for the filter to work on the firefox browser?
[04:54] <gooseuk> On the client machines that it
[04:54] <gooseuk> that is*
[04:55] <Yagisan> gooseuk: squid is only installed on the machine that is to be the www proxy server
[04:57] <gooseuk> Ok, if I install the network in this way: Internet -> Router -> Server [proxy] ]  -> hub -> 9 clients
[04:57] <gooseuk> Will I have to mess with the Ip/TCP settings on the Clients so that they can use the filter software and connect to the internet?
[04:57] <Yagisan> gooseuk: no
[04:59] <Yagisan> gooseuk: I just saw the safesquid webpage
[05:00] <gooseuk> So the clients will automatically coonect to the internet, through the hub to the server, using the proxy WITHOUT me having to set up IP settings etc
[05:00] <gooseuk> Ok?
[05:01] <gooseuk> Its confusing me at the minute how it would work
[05:01] <Yagisan> gooseuk: yes then seems fine
[05:01] <Yagisan> s/then/that
[05:04] <gooseuk> Ok, when I am hooking up the network for the first time, from scratch, I hook the router to the server, the server to the hub and then clients to the hub, they will all be able to access the internet instantly, without me having to add ip settings etc for the client machines?
[05:05] <Yagisan> gooseuk: yes
[05:06] <Yagisan> gooseuk: looking at that setup, server is the edubuntu computer isn't it
[05:06] <jsgotangco> hey guys
[05:07] <gooseuk> All the computers will be running edubuntu to be honest incase the server fails
[05:07] <gooseuk> butt yes the server will be running edubuntu
[05:07] <Yagisan> gooseuk: A bit out of date but still usefull http://dansguardian.org/downloads/DGandTransparent.txt
[05:08] <gooseuk> so basically I have no setting up of IP addresses etc for making this small network?! GREAT, to be honest I have been in a bit of a panic, because I didn't know how hard it would be for the network to work
[05:09] <Yagisan> gooseuk: shouldn't be much trouble at all. dansguardian is a better choice then the dodgy looking safesquid
[05:09] <gooseuk> Many thanks Yagisan
[05:10] <gooseuk> Well I am setting this network up next week, the one problem is that the bios can't boot from the network
[05:10] <Yagisan> gooseuk, considering all traffic is going through the edubuntu server, you could install squid and dansguardian there
[05:10] <gooseuk> So basically I am installing the clients with the OS as well 
[05:10] <Yagisan> gooseuk: I can get them to netboot for you
[05:10] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: can you give me a very quick tutorial on how to add pages to the wiki
[05:11] <gooseuk> How can you do that Yagisan?
[05:11] <Yagisan> gooseuk: hold on for a moment, and I'll show you how (I've explained it once already today - time to wiki it)
[05:12] <jsgotangco> Yagisan: just create a link on an existing page with CamelCase
[05:12] <gooseuk> Yes please it would be a great help
[05:12] <jsgotangco> CamelCase becomes an automatic link
[05:12] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: pretend I'm a monkey
[05:12] <jsgotangco> when you click on CamelCase you have the option of creating a new page
[05:14] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: and how would this monkey create a new link
[05:14] <jsgotangco> use CamelCase ex. MonkeyPage
[05:15] <jsgotangco> MonkeyPage becomes an automatic link
[05:15] <jsgotangco> if you're going to link outside ex. [http://www.foo.com Foo] 
[05:16] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: many thanks
[05:17] <Yagisan> gooseuk: could you do lspci | grep Ethernet on a client machine for me (Assuming they have the same NIC)
[05:17] <gooseuk> lspci ?
[05:18] <gooseuk> <- Linux Virgin
[05:18] <Yagisan> gooseuk: open a terminal and type "lspci | grep Ethernet"
[05:18] <gooseuk> What does that do?
[05:19] <gooseuk> Not on the Edubuntu OS at the minute, if you give me 2 hours I will have it on this machine
[05:20] <Yagisan> gooseuk: It tells me what ethernet chipset you system uses
[05:21] <Yagisan> gooseuk: 1:21am here
[05:21] <gooseuk> Aussie land?
[05:22] <Yagisan> gooseuk: yep
[05:22] <jsgotangco> Yagisan: sydney?
[05:22] <gooseuk> Lad, I can't thank you enough, your helping me out big time
[05:22] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: yes
[05:23] <jsgotangco> Yagisan: i love your place
[05:23] <Yagisan> gooseuk: buy some of my security services :)
[05:23] <gooseuk> What security services? 
[05:24] <Yagisan> gooseuk: I'm a e-security consultant - I do things including penteration testing, vpns, data recovery
[05:25] <gooseuk> Oh, well I am working for a primary school, we are basically switching over to linux because of cost
[05:25] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: why does my page look shit http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/ClientSetup
[05:25] <jsgotangco> err JamieJones?
[05:25] <jsgotangco> ahh
[05:25] <jsgotangco> let me fix that
[05:25] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: yes - thats what the tax department calls me
[05:26] <Yagisan> gooseuk: I just did the most awful hack of a job pasting in my instructions
[05:26] <gooseuk> don't worry about it 
[05:26] <gooseuk> if it works, it works
[05:27] <Yagisan> gooseuk: I will clean it up a bit tommorow after jsgotangco makes it look better
[05:28] <gooseuk> No problem, its great that you could help me with
[05:28] <Yagisan> gooseuk: but that is the way to make boot cd's, I need to add how to make it boot from hard disk - like in my office
[05:28] <Yagisan> thanks jsgotangco
[05:31] <jsgotangco> ahh its pretty easy once you get the syntax
[05:32] <jsgotangco> we use it for almost everything
[05:32] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: I have only edited a wiki 3 times, the first two where cut'n'paste
[05:33] <jsgotangco> cut n paste wont work unless it has wiki syntax
[05:33] <jsgotangco> line breaks should have one more white space in between
[05:34] <Yagisan> ok
[05:34] <Solo> Hello, I need a very simple question....
[05:34] <jsgotangco> hi
[05:34] <Solo> response....
[05:35] <Solo> How is the sources.list in edubuntu?
[05:35] <jsgotangco> its the same with ubuntu
[05:35] <Solo> aha
[05:35] <Solo> ok
[05:36] <Solo> so... what is the differente?
[05:36] <Solo> the installation?
[05:36] <Yagisan> Goodnight all, catch you tomorrow
[05:36] <gooseuk> Night, thanks for the help
[05:36] <jsgotangco> Solo: additional apps are installed, server is the default
[05:36] <Solo> ok
[05:37] <jsgotangco> but it uses the same repositories
[05:37] <jsgotangco> so its possible to have your ubuntu become an edubuntu
[05:37] <Solo> Do you know what apps ?
[05:38] <Solo> Do you tell me any apps?
[05:38] <Solo> I have install a ubuntu for kids...
[05:38] <Solo> and I dont know where find any software for thems
[05:38] <Solo> they*
[05:40] <jsgotangco> its has KDE Edu, Gcompris, Blender, and more
[05:40] <jsgotangco> tux math
[05:40] <Solo> blender?
[05:42] <jsgotangco> its a 3d app
[05:42] <Solo> Ok, very thanks, i solvent my question
[05:48] <jsgotangco> hey vzl
[05:57] <CuriousCat> oh yay! I've been waiting for the mirrors of edubuntu to sync! :D
[06:08] <vzl> 9 minutes to complete.
[08:35] <mhz> hip
[08:36] <mhz> arkan0x: ping
[08:38] <gooseuk> Hey Mhz
[08:39] <gooseuk> You got time for a quick question
[09:27] <toothpick> What is the school program channel?
[09:27] <mhz> toothpick: ?
[09:27] <mhz> schooltool?
[09:27] <toothpick> y thanks
[09:27] <mhz> #schooltool
[09:46] <JohnnyCastaway> Anyone here?
[10:46] <amarin> hello
[10:50] <mhz> hi
[10:51] <amarin> do you know what are the difernces between Edibuntu and Ubuntu?
[10:51] <[daedalus] > amarin: Ubuntu is just 1 workstation, Edubuntu is much more
[10:51] <[daedalus] > check the wiki for more info
[10:54] <amarin> I would install it at home so my kids could start learning Linux, but can I install my developer web server in this edition?
[10:55] <amarin> I mean: can I find all I find in a regular edition of Ret Hat in Edubuntu?
[10:58] <mhz> yes
[10:59] <mhz> amarin: Edubuntu is oriented to provide educational tools to 6-18 year old people. Also, help teachers ease their jobs.
[10:59] <mhz> Edubuntu is based on Ubuntu. Ubuntu is based on Debian
[10:59] <mhz> Debian GnluLinux just rocks!
[11:00] <amarin> great
[11:00] <mhz> amarin: The basic tech idea behind edubuntu is that you have the chance to install a LTSP environment.
[11:00] <mhz> do kno wLTSP?
[11:01] <amarin> On last question: where can I download de DVD version?
[11:04] <mhz> amarin: do know LTSP?
[11:05] <amarin> nop
[11:08] <mhz> amarin: LTSP is Linux Terminal Server Project, which means that you have 1 server and the rest are called clients. All clients BOOT from the server. The server provides everything the clients need.
[11:09] <mhz> In the end, users of the clients (workstations booted from server) can't tell the difference because the are seeing a real Linux environemnt, such as Gnome, Firefox, etc.
[11:09] <mhz> But they get all of those screens from the server.
[11:10] <mhz> So, you don't isntall anything on clients, just 1 server. Therefore, you may rduce costs of admining a system.
[11:12] <amarin> I undertand
[11:13] <amarin> so what do you recoment to install in a workstation environment?
[11:18] <mhz> nop, i recommend you just hit <enter> at boot prompt and so install the edubuntu completely
[11:18] <mhz> if you do not want LTSP, you just do not use it :)
[11:18] <mhz> but maybe, one day soon you'll want to give it a try
[11:20] <amarin> sure!
[11:29] <amarin> Can I install Edubunto to share the pc with windows, in diferent HDs or partitions?
[11:31] <mhz> yes
[11:31] <mhz> like any other linux distro
[11:32] <amarin> excellent, thanks!
[11:34] <mhz> np
[11:34] <mhz> hope you enjoy it
[11:36] <amarin> ;-)