[12:40] <Kinnison> ciao all
[01:27] <john__> In the FAQ Guide the titles should be bolded not the menu location
[01:27] <john__> its hard to navigate
[02:04] <segfault> hi. anyone around?
[02:05] <Burgundavia> mdke, pong
[02:06] <segfault> I registered the "learnlinux" project to start translating it to my language (pt_BR).
[02:06] <segfault> Do i have just to send it (the po files) to rosetta admins?
[02:07] <mpt> segfault, yes
[02:07] <mpt> and Launchpad-related questions are more likely to get an answer in #launchpad
[02:08] <segfault> i know, i asked here because the doc team had worked in some situations like this.
[02:08] <segfault> those books are made by several PO files, and not one per book
[02:08] <segfault> i dunno if it can be dangerous or no.
[02:09] <segfault> IIRC, they converted the faqguide into one big file because of some problems
[02:09] <john__> hi
[02:11] <segfault> mdke, jbailey?
[02:12] <ajmitch_> hi
[05:19] <jabra> anyone know about a new ubuntuguide? (someone working on it, do they need help etc)
[08:14] <fabbione> hi guys
[08:14] <fabbione> hmmm kjcole isn't around..
[08:40] <mdke> morning all
[08:46] <mdke> Burgundavia, ping take two?
[08:46] <mdke> jabra, yes have been working on one
[08:47] <mdke> segfault, learnlinux is not our project
[08:54] <mdke> jdub, ?
[08:55] <jdub> mdke: yo?
[09:05] <mdke> jdub, did you get my mail about planet?
[09:06] <mdke> good morning btw
[09:13] <jdub> dunno
[09:13] <jdub> will check later
[09:13] <jdub> returning to sleep now ;)
[09:13] <mdke> thanks
[09:13] <mdke> bah
[09:33] <Burgundavia> mdke, grr, seems we misssed each other again
[09:34] <Burgundavia> mdke, email me
[09:45] <Burgundavia> salut jsgotangco 
[09:45] <jsgotangco> hi Burgundavia 
[09:46] <jsgotangco> how's things?
[09:46] <Burgundavia> tired but happy
[09:46] <Burgundavia> just came back from our Breezy release party
[09:47] <jsgotangco> ohhh
[09:47] <jsgotangco> we're going to have ours tommorow
[09:47] <jsgotangco> after the the LUG meet
[09:48] <Burgundavia> just 4 of us, myself, madpilot, robitaille and a mutual friend of madpilots and mine
[09:49] <jsgotangco> that
[09:49] <jsgotangco> that's Ubuntu Victoria?
[09:50] <Burgundavia> indeed
[09:50] <jsgotangco> wow
[09:50] <jsgotangco> its so quiet today...
[09:59] <Kinnison> Morning
[10:00] <Burgundavia> morning Kinnison 
[10:00] <Kinnison> hey corey. How's you?
[10:00] <Burgundavia> pretty good
[10:05] <Kinnison> coolio
[10:13] <jsgotangco> brb
[10:22] <rob^lt> hello
[10:22] <jsgotangco> hey rob^lt 
[10:22] <rob^lt> lt == laptop
[10:23] <jsgotangco> whoa
[10:23] <rob^lt> that reminds me, I should enter it on the laptop page
[11:03] <rob^lt> who messed around with restrictedformats?
[11:04] <rob^lt> oh my bad, someone just put in a toc
[01:12] <rob^> anyone know the current status of getting help.ubuntu.com going?
[01:43] <segfault> dunno
[01:43] <segfault> i can help to configure apache if wanted
[01:44] <rob^> yeah I'd like to get this going soon now that breezy is out the door
[01:48] <mdke> yeah i posted the status on the list last night
[01:48] <mdke> any replies are welcome
[01:48] <rob^> oh didn't see it
[01:48] <rob^> whats the go?
[01:49] <mdke> as set out in that email
[01:50] <mdke> k
[01:50] <mdke> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.doc/3377
[01:51] <mdke> a further message in that thread says that the 3rd item in that list is fixed
[01:52] <rob^> well I can help out with number 2 if I get the time
[01:52] <mdke> cool
[01:52] <mdke> the main ones are the last two
[01:52] <rob^> I also have some web hosting space if we want to temp host stuff
[01:52] <mdke> re: the first one, we can always release at doc.ubuntu.com/breezy IMO
[01:52] <mdke> there are 3 GB free on the linode so space isn't an issue
[01:53] <rob^> segfault mentioned before he can help us with apache
[01:54] <rob^> the rev history I can move to another page
[01:54] <rob^> I beleave we need it somewhere as a requirement for one of the licences
[01:55] <rob^> yay my spelling is great tonight
[01:57] <mdke> hang on
[01:57] <mdke> there should be a way to build the doc without the rev history
[01:57] <mdke> don't edit the doc because you'll break the translations even more
[01:58] <rob^> yeah, maybe I can just pull a copy out of svn and work on that for the web site
[01:58] <mdke> no
[01:58] <mdke> we want the translations to be able to go on the website too, don't forget
[01:58] <rob^> still want translations on the site too
[01:58] <rob^> yeah just thought that
[01:58] <mdke> or other websites
[01:59] <mdke> segfault, if you can figure out what is wrong with apache and provide some patches, i'd be glad. I can give you a login
[01:59] <rob^> hmm, well when will we be able to get a new translation? This would work out good because it gives me a chance to squash some bugs to boot
[01:59] <mdke> ?
[02:00] <mdke> you'll have to squash them for the next release I think
[02:00] <rob^> so the website is out until dapper?
[02:00] <mdke> the docs were frozen ages ago dude
[02:01] <mdke> i don't see a reason to have two versions of the  faqguide , one in the distro and one on the web
[02:02] <mdke> do you?
[02:02] <rob^> yeah true
[02:03] <mdke> the bugs are not bad anyhow
[02:03] <mdke> I'm sure there is a way to build the doc without revhistory, because that doesn't appear in the main body of the document
[02:04] <mdke> i'm just waiting for someone who understands xsl to tell me
[02:04] <rob^> hmm
[02:05] <rob^> a little above my head without some googling
[02:05] <mdke> ok i gtg
[02:05] <rob^> ok
[02:05] <rob^> cya
[02:05] <mdke> claude had an answer but it didn't work
[02:05] <mdke> see that thread
[02:05] <mdke> (gone)
[02:57] <eruin> I've got a slight issue when translating the faqguide
[02:58] <eruin> warning and caution is the same in my language
[02:58] <eruin> should I just make the two the same in my translation, though it'd look weird?
[03:23] <mpt> eruin: hmm, interesting question
[03:23] <mpt> do you know which is more serious?
[03:24] <mpt> ok, warning is more serious
[03:24] <mpt> could you translate that as a word like "danger" instead?
[03:25] <mpt> hmm, perhaps that's too dramatic
[03:25] <mpt> perhaps translate caution as something like "be careful"
[03:37] <jabra> could I help out with the ubuntuguide for breezy?
[03:45] <eruin> mpt, yep, my initial translation amounts to something like "critical warning", which might seem a bit over the hill
[03:47] <mpt> eruin: Keep in mind that you don't need to translate the sentences directly -- you could translate them in another way that gets across the same meaning, like a map legend for example.
[03:47] <mpt> but really, that section of the document is rather embarrassing, it shouldn't exist at all
[03:49] <eruin> I really wish I had the time and resources to create a document detailing all the parts of varios packages that make a translator's life difficult ;)
[03:50] <eruin> direct translations is indeed a problem
[03:51] <eruin> I correct many of them every day
[03:51] <eruin> :/
[03:51] <eruin> many translators also seem to use less formal language than you'd normally see in proprietary applications
[03:52] <eruin> we really should have a guideline for things like that
[03:52] <eruin> if there isn't one already
[03:56] <jabra> I am currently working on a step by step guide to install ubuntu breezy 
[03:56] <jabra> doing it in vmware with a movie to play back
[03:56] <jabra> is there anything I could help with for the ubuntuguide?
[06:05] <mdke> ah crap
[06:05] <mdke> segfault, still here?
[06:05] <segfault> yeah
[06:06] <segfault> what happened?
[06:06] <mdke> know anything about character encoding?
[06:06] <segfault> a little
[06:06] <segfault> whats cracking?
[06:06] <mdke> ok here is the situation
[06:06] <mdke> check out  http://help.ubuntu.com/quicktour/quicktour.html
[06:07] <mdke> symbols are all cranky until you put your browser to utf-8
[06:07] <mdke> so the solution would probably be to set apache DefaultEncoding to utf-8
[06:07] <mdke> but when I do that, the faqguide goes crazy
[06:07] <segfault> the html file should tell the browser what he's using
[06:08] <segfault> or at least some .htaccess 
[06:08] <mdke> i guess the problem is that the quicktour uses utf-8 and the faqguide iso
[06:09] <mdke> but that really shouldn't be a problem :/
[06:09] <mdke> there must be something wrong with apache
[06:10] <segfault> # AddDefaultCharset Off
[06:10] <segfault> you can add that to .htaccess file
[06:11] <mdke> if I put AddDefaultCharset Off in the apahce conf, would that work too?
[06:11] <segfault> humm, dunno
[06:11] <segfault> IIRC, the default charset isn't really set
[06:11] <mdke> ok it works :)
[06:12] <mdke> cool thanks
[06:13] <segfault> np
[06:17] <mdke> jbailey, any luck on that Makefile?
[06:22] <jbailey> mdke: Nope, but I can look at it now easily enough.
[06:22] <mdke> yay
[06:22] <jbailey> I'm mostly back up and running.
[06:22] <jbailey> mdke: So the problem was that you want to generate HTML stuff, yes?
[06:22] <mdke> jbailey, the makefile generates html stuff
[06:22] <jbailey> Is this to go into wiki.ubuntu.com? 
[06:22] <mdke> jbailey, i need two changes, 1. to build all languages rather than just C and 2. to build one faqguide rather than for 3 arches
[06:22] <mdke> jbailey, it is to go onto help.ubuntu.com
[06:23] <mdke> and in the case of the translations, to whichever site the LoCoteams wish
[06:23] <jbailey> Ah, help.ubuntu.com is new to me.
[06:24] <mdke> jbailey, it is new
[06:24] <mdke> it has only been working for 5 minutes :D
[06:25] <jbailey> Ah!
[06:25] <jbailey> Where is it hosted?
[06:26] <mdke> on our linode
[06:26] <mdke> which is well slow
[06:26] <mdke> but it was the only quick way to get a site up
[06:27] <mdke> doc.ubuntu.com is there too
[06:27] <mdke> the idea is that doc.u.c will be for workinprogress, while help.u.c for stable stuff
[06:29] <mdke> jbailey, oh there is a 3. as well: the faqguide is currently building html to include the revhistory, if possible I would like it to stop that (http://help.ubuntu.com/faqguide/C/index.html)
[06:29] <jbailey> Sorry, what's a linode?
[06:29] <jbailey> Hmm
[06:30] <mdke> jbailey, it's a virtual server (linode.com)
[06:30] <jbailey> The revision history can be nice to know if something changed.
[06:30] <mdke> jbailey, not when the doc is stable and frozen, users want to know how to do stuff, not the revhistory IMHO
[06:30] <mdke> anyhow, the faqguide as appears in the OS has no revhistory
[06:32] <jbailey> Ah cool, I didn't know about linode.com before.
[06:32] <mdke> jbailey, canonical have a couple, originally intended to get more but they realised they were bad value compared to dedicated servers :) anyhow the docteam has one of em
[06:32] <jbailey> Bad value?  How?
[06:33] <jbailey> I don't see how it could go badly at $20 a month. =)
[06:33] <mdke> not much power and there are cheap dedicated
[06:33] <mdke> http://www.serverpronto.com/
[06:33] <mdke> ^ is the one they went with I think
[06:35] <jbailey> These prices are insane. =)
[06:35] <segfault> i have one at www.valueweb.com
[06:35] <segfault> stable as rock.
[06:35] <mdke> jbailey, heh
[06:35] <mdke> jbailey, so have i been clear about the 3 issues?
[06:36] <jbailey> Yeah, Ithink so.
[06:36] <jbailey> do you want the other languages named faqguide.LANG.html ?
[06:36] <jbailey> I think that's the way Apache usually expects them for content negotiation.
[06:36] <mdke> hmm
[06:36] <mdke> i don't mind
[06:36] <mdke> i wasn't planning to get into that
[06:37] <mdke> i was just gonna link them all :D
[06:37] <jbailey> =)
[06:39] <mdke> jbailey, in fact I think linking them is a good idea because in some cases they will wish to link to external websites (ubuntu-it.org ubuntu-fr.org etc)
[06:40] <jbailey> 'k
[06:40] <mdke> so any filename :)
[06:40] <jbailey> 'k
[06:50] <jbailey> Bah
[06:50] <mdke> jbailey, i can give you a login to the linode server
[06:50] <mdke> jbailey, you can't commit but you will at least have access to a checkout
[06:50] <jbailey> No, it's all good.
[06:51] <jbailey> I need this stuff installed locally anyway
[06:51] <mdke> k
[07:12] <mdke> jbailey, gtg now, gimme a bell if you get anywhere with that Makefile. If you do, we can rerun your script to update the translations, and build some translated html :D
[07:16] <jbailey> Cool.
[07:16] <jbailey> For dapper should we have regular updates of both then?
[07:16] <jbailey> The package and the docs.ubuntu.com?
[07:16] <jbailey> That would mean feeding updates to the LoCoTeams somehow.
[08:27] <joker667> hi everybody
[08:27] <joker667> i just got my bluetooth headset working with skype and I wrote a small Howto
[08:29] <joker667> Perhaps it would be usefull for someone else, I just posted it in the forums: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75978 . Dont know if its good enough for the wiki
[11:33] <mdke> jbailey, doc.ubuntu.com will be updated with our dapper stuff yeah, but it won't get translated until doc freeze, so no need to let the locoteams know
[11:33] <mdke> jbailey, only the released stuff (breezy) is translated
[11:34] <mdke> (help.u.c)