=== mpt [n=mpt@201-27-7-139.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:40] ciao all === john__ [n=john@c-67-175-52-127.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:27] In the FAQ Guide the titles should be bolded not the menu location [01:27] its hard to navigate === segfault [i=carlos@prognus.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:04] hi. anyone around? [02:05] mdke, pong [02:06] I registered the "learnlinux" project to start translating it to my language (pt_BR). [02:06] Do i have just to send it (the po files) to rosetta admins? [02:07] segfault, yes [02:07] and Launchpad-related questions are more likely to get an answer in #launchpad [02:08] i know, i asked here because the doc team had worked in some situations like this. [02:08] those books are made by several PO files, and not one per book [02:08] i dunno if it can be dangerous or no. [02:09] IIRC, they converted the faqguide into one big file because of some problems [02:09] hi [02:11] mdke, jbailey? [02:12] hi === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-47-165.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Karl@219-90-234-187.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=yh728@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=yh728@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LinuxPeach [n=LinuxPea@c-67-171-201-213.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LinuxPeach [n=LinuxPea@c-67-171-201-213.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === rrowland [n=rrowland@adsl-068-016-117-074.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jabra [n=jabra@polish.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:19] anyone know about a new ubuntuguide? (someone working on it, do they need help etc) === rob^lt [n=rob@dsl-202-52-55-156.qld.veridas.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^lt [n=rob@dsl-202-52-55-156.qld.veridas.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === judax [n=troy@adsl-70-240-14-115.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@info1-19.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^lt [n=rob@dsl-202-52-55-156.qld.veridas.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ubuntulog [n=ubuntulo@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | We are string frozen for Breezy release | Projects on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects | SVN - https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos | Remember the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct first. === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by Burglaptop at Sun Sep 11 04:55:55 2005 === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:14] hi guys [08:14] hmmm kjcole isn't around.. === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === jabra [n=jabra@polish.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@unaffiliated/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:40] morning all [08:46] Burgundavia, ping take two? [08:46] jabra, yes have been working on one [08:47] segfault, learnlinux is not our project [08:54] jdub, ? [08:55] mdke: yo? [09:05] jdub, did you get my mail about planet? [09:06] good morning btw [09:13] dunno [09:13] will check later [09:13] returning to sleep now ;) [09:13] thanks [09:13] bah === mdke goes to work [09:33] mdke, grr, seems we misssed each other again [09:34] mdke, email me === jsgotangco [n=jsg@info1-181.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:45] salut jsgotangco [09:45] hi Burgundavia [09:46] how's things? [09:46] tired but happy [09:46] just came back from our Breezy release party [09:47] ohhh [09:47] we're going to have ours tommorow [09:47] after the the LUG meet [09:48] just 4 of us, myself, madpilot, robitaille and a mutual friend of madpilots and mine [09:49] that [09:49] that's Ubuntu Victoria? [09:50] indeed [09:50] wow [09:50] its so quiet today... [09:59] Morning [10:00] morning Kinnison [10:00] hey corey. How's you? [10:00] pretty good [10:05] coolio [10:13] brb [10:22] hello [10:22] hey rob^lt [10:22] lt == laptop === rob^lt got a new one [10:23] whoa [10:23] that reminds me, I should enter it on the laptop page === rob^lt [n=rob@dsl-202-52-55-156.qld.veridas.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:03] who messed around with restrictedformats? [11:04] oh my bad, someone just put in a toc === n1c0las [n=niklas@beryl.wknl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^lt [n=rob@dsl-202-52-55-156.qld.veridas.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico_ [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [n=rob@dsl-202-52-55-156.qld.veridas.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:12] anyone know the current status of getting help.ubuntu.com going? [01:43] dunno [01:43] i can help to configure apache if wanted [01:44] yeah I'd like to get this going soon now that breezy is out the door [01:48] yeah i posted the status on the list last night [01:48] any replies are welcome [01:48] oh didn't see it [01:48] whats the go? [01:49] as set out in that email === rob^ hasn't got it [01:50] k [01:50] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.doc/3377 [01:51] a further message in that thread says that the 3rd item in that list is fixed [01:52] well I can help out with number 2 if I get the time [01:52] cool [01:52] the main ones are the last two [01:52] I also have some web hosting space if we want to temp host stuff [01:52] re: the first one, we can always release at doc.ubuntu.com/breezy IMO [01:52] there are 3 GB free on the linode so space isn't an issue [01:53] segfault mentioned before he can help us with apache [01:54] the rev history I can move to another page [01:54] I beleave we need it somewhere as a requirement for one of the licences [01:55] yay my spelling is great tonight [01:57] hang on [01:57] there should be a way to build the doc without the rev history [01:57] don't edit the doc because you'll break the translations even more [01:58] yeah, maybe I can just pull a copy out of svn and work on that for the web site [01:58] no [01:58] we want the translations to be able to go on the website too, don't forget [01:58] still want translations on the site too [01:58] yeah just thought that === mdke nods [01:58] or other websites [01:59] segfault, if you can figure out what is wrong with apache and provide some patches, i'd be glad. I can give you a login [01:59] hmm, well when will we be able to get a new translation? This would work out good because it gives me a chance to squash some bugs to boot [01:59] ? [02:00] you'll have to squash them for the next release I think [02:00] so the website is out until dapper? [02:00] the docs were frozen ages ago dude [02:01] i don't see a reason to have two versions of the faqguide , one in the distro and one on the web [02:02] do you? [02:02] yeah true [02:03] the bugs are not bad anyhow [02:03] I'm sure there is a way to build the doc without revhistory, because that doesn't appear in the main body of the document [02:04] i'm just waiting for someone who understands xsl to tell me [02:04] hmm [02:05] a little above my head without some googling [02:05] ok i gtg [02:05] ok [02:05] cya [02:05] claude had an answer but it didn't work [02:05] see that thread [02:05] (gone) === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Karl@219-90-234-187.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === eruin [n=eruin@unaffiliated/eruin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:57] I've got a slight issue when translating the faqguide [02:58] warning and caution is the same in my language [02:58] should I just make the two the same in my translation, though it'd look weird? [03:23] eruin: hmm, interesting question [03:23] do you know which is more serious? === mpt hasn't seen the faqguide in a while [03:24] ok, warning is more serious [03:24] could you translate that as a word like "danger" instead? [03:25] hmm, perhaps that's too dramatic [03:25] perhaps translate caution as something like "be careful" [03:37] could I help out with the ubuntuguide for breezy? [03:45] mpt, yep, my initial translation amounts to something like "critical warning", which might seem a bit over the hill [03:47] eruin: Keep in mind that you don't need to translate the sentences directly -- you could translate them in another way that gets across the same meaning, like a map legend for example. [03:47] but really, that section of the document is rather embarrassing, it shouldn't exist at all [03:49] I really wish I had the time and resources to create a document detailing all the parts of varios packages that make a translator's life difficult ;) [03:50] direct translations is indeed a problem [03:51] I correct many of them every day [03:51] :/ [03:51] many translators also seem to use less formal language than you'd normally see in proprietary applications [03:52] we really should have a guideline for things like that [03:52] if there isn't one already [03:56] I am currently working on a step by step guide to install ubuntu breezy [03:56] doing it in vmware with a movie to play back [03:56] is there anything I could help with for the ubuntuguide? === jsgotangco [i=jsgotang@203.172.2.57] has joined #ubuntu-doc === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:05] ah crap [06:05] segfault, still here? [06:05] yeah [06:06] what happened? [06:06] know anything about character encoding? [06:06] a little [06:06] whats cracking? [06:06] ok here is the situation [06:06] check out http://help.ubuntu.com/quicktour/quicktour.html [06:07] symbols are all cranky until you put your browser to utf-8 [06:07] so the solution would probably be to set apache DefaultEncoding to utf-8 [06:07] but when I do that, the faqguide goes crazy [06:07] the html file should tell the browser what he's using [06:08] or at least some .htaccess [06:08] i guess the problem is that the quicktour uses utf-8 and the faqguide iso [06:09] but that really shouldn't be a problem :/ [06:09] there must be something wrong with apache [06:10] # AddDefaultCharset Off [06:10] you can add that to .htaccess file [06:11] if I put AddDefaultCharset Off in the apahce conf, would that work too? [06:11] humm, dunno [06:11] IIRC, the default charset isn't really set [06:11] ok it works :) [06:12] cool thanks [06:13] np [06:17] jbailey, any luck on that Makefile? === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:22] mdke: Nope, but I can look at it now easily enough. [06:22] yay [06:22] I'm mostly back up and running. [06:22] mdke: So the problem was that you want to generate HTML stuff, yes? [06:22] jbailey, the makefile generates html stuff [06:22] Is this to go into wiki.ubuntu.com? [06:22] jbailey, i need two changes, 1. to build all languages rather than just C and 2. to build one faqguide rather than for 3 arches [06:22] jbailey, it is to go onto help.ubuntu.com [06:23] and in the case of the translations, to whichever site the LoCoteams wish [06:23] Ah, help.ubuntu.com is new to me. [06:24] jbailey, it is new [06:24] it has only been working for 5 minutes :D [06:25] Ah! [06:25] Where is it hosted? [06:26] on our linode [06:26] which is well slow [06:26] but it was the only quick way to get a site up [06:27] doc.ubuntu.com is there too [06:27] the idea is that doc.u.c will be for workinprogress, while help.u.c for stable stuff [06:29] jbailey, oh there is a 3. as well: the faqguide is currently building html to include the revhistory, if possible I would like it to stop that (http://help.ubuntu.com/faqguide/C/index.html) [06:29] Sorry, what's a linode? [06:29] Hmm [06:30] jbailey, it's a virtual server (linode.com) [06:30] The revision history can be nice to know if something changed. [06:30] jbailey, not when the doc is stable and frozen, users want to know how to do stuff, not the revhistory IMHO [06:30] anyhow, the faqguide as appears in the OS has no revhistory [06:32] Ah cool, I didn't know about linode.com before. [06:32] jbailey, canonical have a couple, originally intended to get more but they realised they were bad value compared to dedicated servers :) anyhow the docteam has one of em [06:32] Bad value? How? [06:33] I don't see how it could go badly at $20 a month. =) [06:33] not much power and there are cheap dedicated [06:33] http://www.serverpronto.com/ [06:33] ^ is the one they went with I think [06:35] These prices are insane. =) [06:35] i have one at www.valueweb.com [06:35] stable as rock. [06:35] jbailey, heh [06:35] jbailey, so have i been clear about the 3 issues? [06:36] Yeah, Ithink so. [06:36] do you want the other languages named faqguide.LANG.html ? [06:36] I think that's the way Apache usually expects them for content negotiation. [06:36] hmm [06:36] i don't mind [06:36] i wasn't planning to get into that [06:37] i was just gonna link them all :D [06:37] =) [06:39] jbailey, in fact I think linking them is a good idea because in some cases they will wish to link to external websites (ubuntu-it.org ubuntu-fr.org etc) [06:40] 'k [06:40] so any filename :) [06:40] 'k [06:50] Bah === jbailey has to install subversion and the stuff to generate the docs. [06:50] jbailey, i can give you a login to the linode server [06:50] jbailey, you can't commit but you will at least have access to a checkout [06:50] No, it's all good. [06:51] I need this stuff installed locally anyway [06:51] k [07:12] jbailey, gtg now, gimme a bell if you get anywhere with that Makefile. If you do, we can rerun your script to update the translations, and build some translated html :D [07:16] Cool. [07:16] For dapper should we have regular updates of both then? [07:16] The package and the docs.ubuntu.com? [07:16] That would mean feeding updates to the LoCoTeams somehow. === joker667 [n=joker667@dslb-082-083-213-056.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:27] hi everybody [08:27] i just got my bluetooth headset working with skype and I wrote a small Howto [08:29] Perhaps it would be usefull for someone else, I just posted it in the forums: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75978 . Dont know if its good enough for the wiki === Mez [n=Mez@cpc4-lich4-3-0-cust247.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === mdke [n=matt@unaffiliated/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:33] jbailey, doc.ubuntu.com will be updated with our dapper stuff yeah, but it won't get translated until doc freeze, so no need to let the locoteams know [11:33] jbailey, only the released stuff (breezy) is translated [11:34] (help.u.c) === Mez [n=Mez@cpc4-lich4-3-0-cust247.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc