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ajmitchand..?12:03
ajmitchwe know that the package builds, seeing as it's in main12:03
dooglusand I see the output I pasted in the bug report12:03
ajmitchdooglus: why not building the package normally?12:03
ajmitchinstead of running ./configure?12:03
dooglusajmitch: what's the normal way to build a package?12:05
ajmitchdpkg-buildpackage, or using debuild, or pbuilder build..12:05
ajmitchall of which are equivalent12:05
dooglusok.12:05
dooglusI'll try that.12:05
dooglushow should I have found those commands without you telling me?12:05
ajmitchdebian NM guide, or asking how you build packages12:06
ajmitchor various wiki pages like PackagingTips12:06
Unfrgivenslomo: i can package it from here on. thanks for your help. the plan is to put it into backports and into universe in dapper. can you send me the package sources? ankur.kotwal@gmail.com thanks again.12:06
ajmitchor IntroDeveloperDocs, of course12:06
dooglus"of course"?12:08
ajmitchUnfrgiven is the author :)12:08
ajmitchI could hardly forget his contribution12:08
ajmitchok, shadow built perfectly fine in pbuilder as expected :)12:09
dooglusI was using the traditional configure;make incantation.  I wasn't aware of dpkg-buildpackage12:10
ajmitchthey're packaged for a reason12:11
ajmitchdebian/rules controls how configure, make, etc are called12:11
dooglusok.12:11
ajmitchfor shadow, debian/patches/324_configure.in-no-debian-dir.dpatch removed that line from configure12:11
dooglusoh yes!12:12
ajmitchthere are 134 patches for shadow there :)12:13
dooglussometimes when I "apt-get source", patches get applied automatically, and other times (like this time) they don't get applied (presumably until I use dpkg-buildpackage)12:14
ajmitchwhen you apt-get source, it applies the diff.gz12:15
ajmitchwhich contains the debian/ dir12:15
ajmitchand often other things12:15
ajmitchthese are build-time patches12:15
ajmitchmakes it a lot easier to keep them separate12:15
dooglusok12:16
dooglusthanks for your help.12:16
ajmitchno problem12:16
dooglusdid you notice I asked about this in #ubuntu-devel before posting the bug?12:17
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ajmitchno I didn't12:20
ajmitchhow long did you wait before posting?12:20
ajmitchthe only thing I see you asking is if bugs go to malone now12:21
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chillywillyyay, Breezy is released12:26
KyralTime to rebuild VLC...12:27
ajmitchyep12:27
chillywillywere you guys able to accomplish everyting you wanted to for universe?12:27
chillywillyerm, for the release12:28
ajmitchof course not12:28
Kyralnope, for me at least. I didn't gain MOTU Powah12:28
ajmitchyou didn't help us out :P12:28
ajmitchKyral: there was hardly time for you to get up to speed on it12:28
chillywillybah12:28
KyralYah I know12:28
KyralTwas a pun :P12:28
chillywillythe archive server is slow12:29
chillywillyprobably gettin hammered12:29
ajmitchno surprise there12:29
chillywilly:)12:29
chillywillyI am doing a sudo apt-get -d dist-upgrade on 2 boxes :)12:30
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KyralI'm pbuildering libdvbpsi12:30
chillywillytime to go home12:31
Kyralwhy does Sid VLC depend on libdvbpsi and Breezy VLC doesn't?12:32
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KyralI mean I know I would wind up in SID land....but how major would breakage be...12:51
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zulevening02:37
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bmontyhi everyone03:39
ajmitchhello bmonty03:39
bmontyenjoying the break?03:39
KyralI'm actually bored ;P03:40
bmontyajmitch: so what happens now, does automatic syncing with debian get turned on again?03:42
ajmitchwhen dapper reopens03:42
ajmitchthe flood starts03:42
bmontydoes that cause lots of breakage?03:42
ajmitchoh yes03:42
ajmitchwe could have *lots* of breakage :)03:42
ajmitchit's fun03:43
bmontyI'm sure03:43
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=== Nafallo preps galago ;-)
KyralYanno what would cause more breakage?03:43
KyralBreezy -> Sid03:43
ajmitchKyral: packages out of sync03:43
Nafalloajmitch: btw, what to do when I don't have a dapper-pbuilder to build at? :-)03:44
ajmitchwe have to rush to get our ubuntu changes merged in to minimise the breakage03:44
Kyralajmitch, no kiddin' I saw what would happen if I did it ;P03:44
ajmitchNafallo: dist-upgrade :P03:44
Nafalloajmitch: it's not opened ;-)03:44
ajmitchNafallo: then use breezy for now03:44
ajmitchman..03:44
ajmitch;)03:44
bmontyyou have to figure breezy and badger will be very similar for at least a couple weeks :)03:45
LaserJockhi bmonty, I got my IRC port blocking problem fixed03:45
KyralHot ***!03:45
Kyralthe Servers are back!03:45
ajmitchbmonty: *cough*03:45
ajmitchbmonty: breezy & dapper? ;)03:45
Kyraluhh03:45
Nafalloso... build the debian packages that will ftbfs because of dbus/libdbus against breezy, dist-upgrade to dapper, rebuild them and then dput :-)03:45
bmontyajmitch: yeah...whoops03:45
ajmitchbmonty: there might be a few thousand packages synced in the first couple of weeks03:45
Kyralanyone getting a GPG Key error on the Breezy Update server03:45
ajmitchNafallo: eh?03:46
bmontyLaserJock: did the "I need IRC to do my studies" story work? :)03:46
Nafalloajmitch: no? :-)03:46
ajmitchNafallo: you're only going to upload source anyway, so just do the merges like usual03:46
ajmitchLaserJock: excellent03:46
bmontydapper - badger....sounds the same to me :P03:46
LaserJockbmonty, no I found out that freenode also has port 8001 which wasn't blocked by my university03:47
ajmitchLaserJock: hah, nice evasion03:47
bmontyahh...hopefully they are complacent and don't notice the traffic :)03:47
ajmitchLaserJock: they're probably mainly trying to stop botnets & illegal filesharing anyway :)03:47
Nafalloajmitch: well, I have to merge and build those libs (that's in debian) so that I can use them for building the other parts that's not in debian :-)03:48
LaserJockajmitch: yeah that's why I knew that they wouldn't open the port for me03:48
ajmitchNafallo: or you could just wait a few days & have a break :)03:48
Nafalloajmitch: and then merge those when they arrive in dapper so that I can send the rest of them to NEW ;-)03:48
ajmitchNafallo: just let them sync, FTBFS, and then fix the source03:49
bmontygrrr, I'm getting tired of the script kiddies probing my ssh server03:49
ajmitchNafallo: plenty of other stuff to work on still until dapper opens03:49
Nafalloajmitch: oh? :-)03:49
Nafallobmonty: :-)03:50
bmontyyou can help me get OpenLDAP and Kerberos working :)03:50
ajmitchNafallo: clean up malone, get fixed packages queued for upload03:50
Nafallowhy?03:50
ajmitchNafallo: because the packages are still broken & will be broken after dapper opens :P03:50
Nafallonew versions will probably be merged or synced for most of it anyway?03:50
ajmitchmost, but not all03:51
ajmitchwe've generally merged in a lot of new upstream versions to fix the more serious bugs03:51
Nafallobaah, we need an *ubuntu* search for Malone then? :-)03:51
ajmitchwhat?03:51
Nafalloto see what's not going to be synced automatically.03:51
ajmitchoh right03:52
ajmitchhttp://ajmitch.meta.net.nz/debuild/ubuntu/merge-tool/current/merges03:52
bmontyajmitch: do you think the freeze on syncs with debian helps or ends up causing more problems....seems like keeping the syncs on longer would cause less problems03:52
Nafallo:-)03:52
LaserJockI assume that synced packages don't override packages that have a *ubuntu version number. Is that right?03:52
ajmitchbmonty: I think it helps, and we'll enforce it more strictly for dapper03:52
ajmitchLaserJock: correct03:52
ajmitchLaserJock: which is why we have > 1200 source packages in breezy with an ubuntu* version03:53
lifelessbmonty: keeping the syncs on longer, means, 'get more changes'03:53
ajmitcha lot of them will need manually merged03:53
lifelessbmonty: which means, if debian do, say, a gcc4 transition in the middle of our freeze, 'break everything later'03:53
tsengthat will be pain03:53
ajmitchsure03:53
bmontylifeless: maybe, but it also seems like the way to fix a lot of FTBFS packages was a sync03:53
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ajmitchand you can have a merge that applies cleanly but is still dead wrong03:53
tsengi always have that03:54
lifelessbmonty: yes, but its an explicit choice.03:54
tsengit does stupid stuff with build-deps03:54
ajmitchbmonty: getting random crack from unstable later into the release just means less chance to fix the bugs that are introduced03:54
bmontylifeless: true, maybe we need a different process for getting the syncs done03:54
ajmitchbmonty: there will be03:54
ajmitchbut it'll stay essentially the same03:54
bmontylol03:54
ajmitchwe freeze for a reason03:54
ajmitchI think sync requests will be done via launchpad at some point03:55
bmontyyeah, I'm not saying that the freeze is a bad idea, just that based on what I worked on it seemed the freeze cause a good portion of the issues03:55
ajmitchbmonty: just think of how many more issues you might have seen without the freeze03:56
ajmitchwe're grabbing from debian *unstable*, it's called that for a reason :)03:56
ajmitch(and not just because of the developers)03:56
bmontyajmitch: for packages in main, I would definately agree...universe, I'm not so sure03:56
bmontyajmitch: yeah, when sarge was release I stopped running unstable03:56
ajmitchbmonty: UVF is essential for universe03:57
ajmitchI know ogra agrees with me on that03:57
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LaserJockthe FTBFS packages I was working on where older than testing, how does that happen? Is it just overlooked?03:57
ajmitchlifeless: btw, python can't import files with a - in the filename?03:57
lifelessajmitch: correct03:57
bmontywell you guys have more experience with this than me, so I'm sure it is the best choice03:57
lifelessajmitch: bzr-man is a script :003:58
Nafalloajmitch: I agree with you to fwiw :-)03:58
ajmitchlifeless: a script, but most of it is a function :)03:58
LaserJockbmonty: don't feel bad, I thought the same thing ;-)03:58
lifelesspatches accepted gratefully :)03:58
ajmitchlifeless: yeah, trying to get the manpage to be generated properly by setup.py :)03:59
Nafalloanyway, ubuntuIM needs galago :-)03:59
bmontyLaserJock: I'm not really arguing the point...just trying to figure out more about why the freeze was done03:59
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ajmitchNafallo: mini-dinstall? :)03:59
Nafalloajmitch: nope, main only :-)04:00
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bmontyI got mini-dinstall working on my web server...it is very nice :)04:00
Nafallopost_upload_command = ssh ogre "cd public_html/packages && rm *.changes; apt-ftparchive packages . | gzip > Packages.gz && apt-ftparchive sources . | gzip > Sources.gz"04:00
Nafallo:-)04:00
bmontyNafallo: you can do the same thing with mini-dinstall04:00
Nafallobmonty: that's not in main :-)04:01
NafalloI ONLY use main on my server :-)04:01
bmontyah04:01
tsengyou just need to get back to doing universe-security04:01
tsengslacker04:01
ajmitchyes04:01
bmontyI run debian on my servers, so I didn't notice04:01
Nafallohehe :-)04:02
ajmitchwe now unofficially support breezy only for universe security04:02
LaserJockI started learning packaging with pbuilder and mini-dinstall. I think it has really helped me learn.04:02
Nafallobut but but... MOTU(IM) is more fun ;-)04:02
ajmitchunless people still want to do hoary fixes :)04:02
ajmitchNafallo: too bad, get fixing04:02
bmontyLaserJock: less opportunity to mess up your system :)04:02
tsengyeah04:02
ajmitchMOTU work isn't about fun04:02
ajmitchit's about getting whipped into doing stuff ;)04:02
NafalloI know. I was just tired about feeling like the only one. and I'm still rather new to programming so... :-P04:03
ajmitchNafallo: recruit more04:03
tsengyes04:03
ajmitchNafallo: I was wanting to help out, but it wasn't fun enough04:03
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tsengyou need to find some real suckers04:03
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ajmitchbmonty: I was not going to say that ;)04:04
bmontyoh darn, he isn't on04:04
NafalloI know it's not fun... that's why I ended up with half-finished stuff all over the place...04:04
bmontyI need to get my code for the ubuntu-spy working04:04
bmontyand packaged04:04
ajmitch6 months is a lot shorter than you think :)04:04
ajmitchso get it done ASAP04:04
ajmitchputting it off won't work04:05
ajmitchwell the feature demands are rolling in on the forum for dapper04:05
Nafalloanyway, if everyone does there share on universe security, then it will be easier to do stuff there.04:06
ajmitchyep04:06
bmontyNafallo: how does universe security work?04:06
ajmitchbmonty: you fix stuff04:06
bmontybased on what?04:06
ajmitchpretty much the same as MOTU work really04:06
ajmitchbasically grabbing patches04:07
Nafallohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityUpdateProcedures04:07
ajmitchand applying them to the current source :)04:07
Nafallobasically like that04:07
bmontyI think I can do that :)04:07
Nafallopatch the stuff minimally to let it not be insecure, send it do the mailing-list, get pitti to like it (hard ;-)) and then do the upload/have someone do the upload :-).04:08
ajmitchsecurity-review list has been very quiet lately04:08
Nafallowell, there have been LOTS of stuff todo in breezy04:08
Nafalloso I'm not surprised...04:09
ajmitchyes04:09
ajmitchbbiab04:09
bmontyNafallo: count me in04:10
Nafallobmonty: :-)04:11
NafalloI'm hoping to count everyone in :-)04:11
bmontyare you going to post vulnerabilities that require a fix, and then assign people to work the package, or do people just work on things they find?04:11
Nafallosecurity is just like regular release-cycle. you can't be an expert on everything :-).04:12
Nafallowe have a tool for that :-)04:12
NafalloI just have to find it... :-P04:12
Nafallohttp://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ubuntu-cve/04:13
bmontyhmm...lots for mozilla04:14
Nafalloif upstream (!debian) made a hoary-package-1, which I'm merging, should I use 1ubuntu1 or 0ubuntu1?04:14
bmonty1ubuntu0.1?04:15
bmontyI think that is what the wiki page says04:15
Nafalloit's not security :-)04:15
bmontyoh, my bad04:15
Nafalloit's dapper :-)04:15
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ajmitchNafallo: it has to be greater than any existing package, but they should be beaten for versioning it like that04:20
Nafalloajmitch: oki, thanx04:20
ajmitchNafallo: is it in debian yet, and if not, why not? :)04:20
ajmitchsince the simple way might be to get it into sid quickly04:20
Nafalloajmitch: I don't know :-). Christian Hammond packaged it for hoary.04:21
Nafalloit's not in any dist, I found it on the homepage...04:21
Nafallopackaged as native :-P04:21
ajmitchah right04:22
ajmitchwhat is it?04:22
Nafallohttp://www.galago-project.org/04:22
ajmitchwhat package, I mean04:23
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ajmitchsome packages are in debian04:23
Nafalloall of them :-P04:23
ajmitch libgalago  (0.3.3-1) unstable; urgency=low04:23
ajmitch   * Packaged for Debian, based on upstream work. (closes: #330023 )04:24
ajmitch -- Riccardo Setti <giskard@autistici.org>  Sun, 25 Sep 2005 12:51:22 +020004:24
Nafalloyea, I merged that lib from debian :-)04:24
ajmitchok04:24
ajmitchso that's hardly 'all of them' then04:24
Nafallowell, I'm taking what's not in debian from upstream's repo ;-)04:25
Nafallo(found under download)04:25
ajmitchright04:25
ajmitchwhich is what I was asking about - what's not in debian? :P04:25
Nafallognome-preferences-applet, eds-feed for instance04:26
Nafallomissing the gtk libs to.04:27
Nafallogalago-sharp and libgalago IS in debian :-)04:27
ajmitchNafallo: you could work with the libgalago debian maintainer to get them in04:31
Nafalloajmitch: yea, I'll just build them first :-)04:31
Nafallohmm, maybe he's doing that to...04:31
NafalloI'll mail him tomorrow after a good nights sleep ;-)04:32
Nafalloit's 4:32 here :-)04:32
ajmitchok04:32
ajmitchsleep well :)04:32
Nafalloouch! eds-feed hates me :-P04:32
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ajmitchslomo_: will try & check these in the weekend, for general packaging, and then test them next week..04:33
Nafallohmm, gcc-errors here we come! :-)04:33
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bmontynight all04:47
LaserJockgnight bmonty04:50
KyralMy Goal for the Dapper Release Cycle: Gain my "MOTU License" ;P04:56
Kyralbut not tonight04:57
AmaranthMy Goal for the Dapper Release Cycle: smeg-gnome, smeg-kde04:57
Amaranthbut not for a month or so ;)04:57
Kyralwell my ultimate Goal for Dapper is to become an Ubuntu Member05:01
Diablo-D3My Goal for the Dapper Release Cycle: being the cynical bastard I usually am05:01
Kyralbecoming a MOTU is just a step on the path :D05:01
Nafallowow05:01
Nafallothe damn package actually build-deps cvs05:01
KyralAnywya, Family Guy calls05:02
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bddebianDamn, everyone wore out from Breezy?? :-)05:09
Diablo-D3bddebian: yeah, its like some sort of climax05:09
LaserJockwell, I am still trying to fix my bug >;-(05:13
bddebianYour bug?05:13
LaserJock# 311205:14
Nafallobddebian: I'm still building packages for it ;-05:14
Nafallo;-)05:14
bddebianNafallo: Heh05:15
bddebianLaserJock: Oh the one you submitted? :-)05:15
LaserJockyeah, you know to get my 0 karma back ;-)05:15
bddebianheh05:16
LaserJockapparently I suck at bugfixing >:-(05:18
bddebianHeh, me too and look at my karma ;-P05:19
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bddebianHeya ajmitch05:19
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ajmitchhello sir05:20
YagisanG'day ajmitch05:20
ajmitchbddebian: so you've got universe in shape for dapper release?05:21
bddebianShould be done by tomorrow ;-P05:22
ajmitchgreat05:22
LaserJockwhat, man you are slacking ;-P05:22
ajmitchman the MOTU are going to have an easy time of it in dapper05:22
Amaranththis round of MoM is going to suck05:22
ajmitchAmaranth: aye05:22
ajmitchAmaranth: it's going to be fun though05:22
ajmitchwe should have it done in a couple of weeks :)05:22
ajmitchand then the constant re-merging until UVF05:23
Yagisanso - that means I should start launching all my security stuff at revu then ajmitch ?05:24
Diablo-D3Ugh, I'm having an argument with someone05:24
Diablo-D3does ubuntu's default kernel have pre-empt and low latency?05:24
ajmitchYagisan: such as?05:25
YagisanDiablo-D3: No05:25
Diablo-D3Suck.05:25
Diablo-D3And I loose the argument.05:25
Yagisanajmitch - sec tools, modified kernels05:26
ajmitchYagisan: sure, might as well start05:26
ajmitchbest to get as much time in the archive as we can get05:26
ajmitchmore exposure == more testing05:26
Yagisanajmitch: sure - I asked in #u-k yesterday - they will go with .14 so I base the kernel stuff off that when it's out05:27
ajmitchthat's what I'd have expected05:28
Yagisanajmitch: so it should be "easier" to keep in sync (I just steal their patches)05:28
Yagisanajmitch - pax has experimental patches for .14 which is nice , and with rsbac you can control which flags are applied05:29
Yagisanto different apps - without things like chpax05:29
ajmitchhow close is .14?05:29
ajmitchhm, rc405:30
ajmitchlooks like it'll be there soon05:30
Nafalloand ehm, will it build with gcc-4? :-)05:30
Yagisanajmitch - who knows - It'll be done when it's done05:30
ajmitchNafallo: no idea05:30
ajmitchanyway, I've got to head away for the weekend05:31
ajmitchI might be online, if not I'll see you in a couple of days ;)05:31
Amaranthi thought 2.6.12 built with gcc4, it just sucked05:31
Yagisanajmitch: lucky you - I have to do boring admin work this weekend05:31
YagisanAmaranth: last time I checked - not everything in the kernel would build on gcc405:32
crimsunthat's why it's built with 3.4, actually05:32
Nafalloyea, but I was kind of hoping we didn't need the patch every kernel-module-source :-P05:33
Nafallos/the/to/05:34
Yagisanas long as any patches we do apply to mains kernel - they won't get too pissed with different kernels in universe will they ?05:35
Yagisanas I recall - they didn't like a .11 kernel in universe05:35
Amaranththat wasn't 2.6.1105:35
Amaranthit was a bitkeeper snapshot05:35
YagisanAmaranth: a broken bitkeeper snapshot at that05:35
Amaranthbut it couldn't be removed and people were using it, that's why they didn't like it05:36
Nafallowell, wasn't it fabbione that brought it in? :-)05:37
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Yagisanso, when do we see ubuntu/kfreebsd :) (I see it in universe)05:37
bddebiankfreebsd bah.  Hurd baby ;-P05:38
Nafallonot before someone will put energy on it atleast...05:38
crimsunYagisan: there should only be one kernel in the repo at all.05:38
crimsunthe kernel in main is and will remain the one kernel to rule them all.05:39
Yagisancrimsun: one size does not fit all05:39
Nafallocrimsun: ehm, XEN? :-)05:39
crimsunNafallo: we have separate Xen linux-images in main in Breezy?05:39
Nafallocrimsun: it was not done for breezy, so no :-)05:40
crimsunwell then.05:40
Nafalloor rather, that bounty was deferred.05:40
Nafallonot completed in time.05:41
Nafalloshould be completed for dapper I think though...05:41
crimsunXen's more of a hypervisor than a kernel.05:41
YagisanI'd say xen is more of it's own OS, then can run linux05:41
Yagisans/then/that05:42
Nafalloehm, still need special kernels, right?05:42
Yagisanyes it does - it needs to be the Dom) kernel05:42
YagisanDom005:42
Yagisanand you need to build the guest kernels as DomU05:42
crimsunNafallo: fabbione has that code merged into the source. Whether it's in Breezy is another story.05:42
crimsunyou can grep ubuntu-kernel logs for his remarks getting Xen working with linux-source05:43
crimsuna couple months ago?05:43
crimsun(and yes, that bounty is quite sweet)05:44
Nafallowell, the bounty owner seems to have made stuff a diffrent way then...05:44
Nafallohttp://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-users/2005-08/msg00765.html05:44
LaserJockdoh, I just found my bug wasn't really a bug. Dang it. How do you close a bug on launchpad?05:44
crimsunNafallo: yes, I know about that.05:45
crimsunit will still be ridiculous to have more than one linux-image05:46
crimsunnot sure how you would do anything with Xen if you didn't have a linux-image anyhow05:47
Nafalloanyway05:48
Yagisancrimsun: why is it ridiculous to have more then one linux-image ?05:48
Nafallolocal time is 05:48. time to hit bed :-P05:49
Nafallognight all05:49
YagisanGoodnight Nafallo05:49
crimsunYagisan: ok, correction. More than one linux-source.05:49
LaserJockwho can close a bug on launchpad?05:50
Yagisancrimsun: I think that for some cases - it is needed05:50
crimsunYagisan: um...why?05:50
crimsunYagisan: there're already kernel-patch-foo...05:50
Yagisancrimsun: well for starters - my servers would need a linux-source-(a_security_technology_here)05:51
crimsunkeep in mind the kernel team would have to support all these different incarnations of linux-source-foo :(05:51
Yagisancrimsun05:51
Yagisannot for universe05:51
Yagisancrimsun: eg I know ajmitch is doing some selinux stuff, I'm looking at pax+rsbac05:52
crimsunYagisan: why wouldn't {kernel,linux}-a_security_technology_here-patch package be more appropriate?05:52
Yagisancrimsun: show me how to integrate that into the automated build system - and I'll give it a try05:53
crimsundo you intend to install using the base linux-image-386, enable universe, install linux-image-a_security_technology_here-$arch, and reboot?05:53
Yagisancrimsun: for now yes05:54
crimsun"for now"?05:54
Yagisancrimsun but for dapper +1 no05:54
crimsunoh dear05:54
crimsunso you _do_ want the kernel team to support it in dapper+1?05:54
Yagisancrimsun: no - I want the install cd to download it on install - if I selected it05:55
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crimsunthat still makes less sense than integrating the patch into the base linux-source05:55
crimsunI'm more than happy to help05:56
Yagisancrimsun: I think we may be misunderstanding each other a bit05:57
Yagisancrimsun:(13:28:18) Yagisan: ajmitch: sure - I asked in #u-k yesterday - they will go with .14 so I base the kernel stuff off that when it's out05:58
crimsunright.05:58
crimsunI certainly hope the goal is to integrate it into linux-source.05:59
crimsunOf course that's up for discussion at UBZ.05:59
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bddebianLater crimsun05:59
Yagisancrimsun: I you can show me how to integrate kernel-patch-foo into the build for kernel-source I'd be happy05:59
Yagisanto test it that way05:59
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YagisanSee you crimsun05:59
KyralGood night06:01
LaserJockbddebian: I found out that the bug I just filed today is not really a bug after all, what do I do with it? I feel really retarded :$06:09
bddebianReject it?06:10
LaserJockhow ?06:10
bddebianDid you file it on bugzilla or Malone?06:12
LaserJockMalone06:12
LaserJock Bug #311206:12
bddebianClick on the name of the package and change the status to Rejected06:12
LaserJockdohh, thanks06:12
bddebianNP06:13
LaserJockis it possible to edit comments on Malone?06:13
bddebianI think only if you made them but I don't know for sure06:15
LaserJockI can't even seem to do that06:16
LaserJockLaunchpad seems nice, but I am struggling a little bit. I need some documentation or something. I think I must be pretty dense06:16
LaserJockI was just getting used to wiki's ;-)06:17
bddebianLaserJock: :-)06:19
bddebianWell gnight folks06:34
tritiumgood night, bddebian06:34
LaserJockdang, that was fast06:34
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crimsunYagisan: sure, let's go over that later. Have to catch up with a lot of stuff atm.07:08
tritiumhi crimsun07:09
crimsunhi tritium07:09
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | REVU up again: http://revu.tauware.de | We did it - we released Breezy! :)
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\shgood morning castle greyskull08:27
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pefhello !08:43
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kYotiKhi all09:17
crimsunthe topic should get you started, kYotiK.09:17
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kYotiKthanks crimsun09:23
crimsunnp09:23
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dholbachhellas10:15
\shmoins :)10:16
dholbachhi stephan10:16
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siretartmorning10:34
\shhey siretart10:34
dholbachmorning reinhard10:36
dholbachhow are you?10:36
dholbachwhen is your exam again?10:36
dholbachwas it already?10:36
siretartit was yesterday. finally finished that stuff! :)10:36
dholbachhow was it?10:37
siretartI would say okay: 1.7 :)10:37
dholbachROCK ON!10:37
dholbachi knew you'd make it :)10:37
siretartthanks :)10:38
siretarthow are things in MOTU Land?10:39
dholbachcurrently quite quiet :)10:39
siretartah, time to work on revu, then *g*10:40
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dholbachyeah, or triage bugs :)10:40
crimsunI'm starting the multiverse security hunt10:41
crimsunmplayer's first on the list ;/10:41
dholbachpoor daniel10:41
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crimsunoh no, it'll be better than vlc! :-)10:41
dredgum10:41
dredgthat sentence no english or thing10:42
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slomo_crimsun: what security bug in mplayer? i fixed one a few weeks before release10:42
dholbach"... in the face"10:42
dholbachhey slomo10:42
crimsunslomo_: oh, you nabbed that one already? excellent!10:42
dredgyes dammit, IN THE FACE10:42
dholbach:)10:42
slomo_crimsun: when it's the pcm-one... yes ;)10:43
slomo_hi dholbach :)10:43
dholbachhow are you all?10:43
slomo_tired... and i need to be in train for the next 5 hours ;)10:43
crimsunI should sleep, but I need to queue a TODO10:43
dholbachslomo_: going where?10:44
dredgtired. and resolving to spend some time working on ubuntu for the enterprise.10:44
dholbachcrimsun: how late is it at your place again?10:44
slomo_dholbach: mannheim... visiting a friend over the weekend10:44
crimsundholbach: 4:45 AM10:44
dholbachouch10:44
dholbachslomo_: i'd love to go to mannheim again10:44
dholbachslomo_: you know where that friend of yours lives?10:44
dredgactually, extending oem-config to automatically install and configure a system automagically would be good. i'll think about that next week10:46
siretartdredg: sounds like d-i preseeding10:47
slomo_dholbach: not exactly in mannheim but in bad drkheim... i think this is how it was called ;) but he takes me from the mannheim hbf so i don't need to know anything ;)10:47
dredgsiretart: yeah, but i'd like options like "switch off automatically adding security.ubuntu.com to sources.list"10:47
dholbachi see :)10:48
siretartdredg: this is all preseedable..10:48
dholbachslomo_: i lived in mannheim for quite a while10:48
slomo_ok... need to leave ;) see you again on monday =)10:48
dredgi also really need to beat the person in here who wrote some of the scripts10:50
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dholbachdredg: beat who?10:53
dholbachhey koke, hjow are you?10:53
kokehi all!10:53
kokedholbach: fine, thanks. I think I'll be at UBZ :D10:54
dredgdholbach: the guy currently working on creating a supported ubuntu in here is completely unfamiliar with debian/ubuntu10:54
dholbachROCK10:54
dholbachah ok, dredg - i thought you were talking about #ubuntu-motu :)10:54
dredgdholbach: while he's done a fantastic job (really, he has), some of the methods used to get things working smell of redhat hackery10:54
dholbachhaha :)10:54
kokethe company I work for wants to establish some relations with canonical, so they'll pay my flight :)10:54
dredgoh sorry, by 'in here' i meant literally 'in these offices'10:54
dholbachdredg: yeah :)10:55
dholbachkoke: wow cool - what company is it?10:55
dredgmy bad, no offence intended towards anyone in -motu10:55
kokewarp networks http://warp.es/en10:55
dholbachdredg: don't worry, we're no sissies10:55
dredgyeah, some of our guys will be at UBZ10:56
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dredgi'll be on training for the next month so i can't make it10:56
dholbachkoke: WAY cool10:56
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dredgi should make the dapper+1 conference though.10:58
dredghmm10:58
dredgmight try to convince my boss to send me to ubz10:58
dredgdoubt it will happen though10:58
\shredhat hackery?10:58
dholbachdredg: yeah, talk to him10:58
dredgdholbach: unlikely. they're already sending me to california for a month for training.11:00
Treenaksdredg: isn't Montreal _between_ you can California? :)11:01
dredgTreenaks: it is now. from sunday it won't be :)11:02
dredg\sh: evil shell scripts designed to do something that can be done entirely without them11:02
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dredganyway, friday is breakfast-in-the-form-of-assorted-pastries-day11:05
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\shdredg: hmm...this is not only redhat style ;)11:05
mbreitgood morning11:05
\shmoin moin mbreit11:05
dredg\sh: agreed, but since the previous supported linux distribution is a very heavily hacked redhat, i tend to blame it for all my problems at the moment :)11:06
\shdredg: believe me, suse is much more worse ,)11:06
Treenaks\sh: I believe you11:07
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dredgi hate suse. lots.11:07
dredgmainly because of the evil evil evil evil way it used to deal with network cards11:07
dredgdunno if it still does it11:07
Treenaksdredg: I think it still does11:08
dredgbut wireless cards in particular were handled in an insane manner11:08
Treenaksdredg: or at least, it's still evil.. dunno if it's the same evil11:08
dredgTreenaks: the verdict is the same. kill it in the face :)11:09
Treenaksdredg: then my boss will punch me in the face11:09
Treenaksdredg: he makes me do i11:09
Treenakst11:09
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dredgTreenaks: you need a new boss.... :)11:10
Treenaksdredg: working on that11:10
dredgTreenaks: google are hiring ;)11:10
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Tonio-morning everyone01:12
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ssamam i right in thinkthing that firefox 1.5 and kernel 2.6.13 will be put in the universe? like openoffice2 was in hoary. i am sure i heard this discussed a few months ago. is this now more of a backports type thing?01:24
Yagisanssam: dapper will use a .14 kernel, so no point for .13 in universe01:29
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TMMYagisan, might even be a .15 kernel, who knows? :)02:19
YagisanTMM: I asked BenC yesterday and was told .14, but yeah or if they are quick a .16 :)02:21
TMMthese days you never know :)02:21
TMMis dapper open?02:21
ograi doubt there will be any kernel image in universe in any future release... the 2.6.11 snapshot in hoary caused to much confusion02:22
ograTMM, tuesday02:22
YagisanTMM: I see that BenC has already started on .14, dapper opens tuesday02:22
Yagisanogra: some of use security types are going to try for some kernels in universe02:22
dholbachYagisan: who?02:23
Yagisandholbach: I want something in there - but based of mains kernel + patches02:23
dholbachhrm02:23
\shYagisan: no ways...I do not want to be responsible for any kernel related stuff02:23
ograYagisan, but that will be usable images i guess... the 2.6.11 snapshot was a very early bitkeeper snaphot that broke many systems because people didnt get that it wanst intended for usage02:24
Yagisandholbach: if it fails to make the grade - then so be it, but I have a need for it, and it is avaiable for whoever else needs it02:24
\sheven if the universe is "unsupported" the people are judging ubuntu/kubuntu for the quality, and if something goes wrong with a kernel...no02:24
spacey_kii would like to whine about broken scim packages in breezy, quite nasty to have no chinese input support in breezy02:25
spacey_kihttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/scim/+bug/256502:25
spacey_kibug filed long ago02:25
Yagisan\sh: that's because the universe package was too far removed from mains02:25
ograYagisan, i know there are other kernel related prjects that also want their images in universe... low latency audio stuff for example02:25
spacey_kiwho should i whine to about this?02:26
ograspacey_ki, just whine to the world ...02:26
spacey_kiogra, :P02:26
ograspacey_ki, the archives are locked currently...02:26
\shYagisan: no...not a single kernel should be in universe...never...module yes, fitting for the latest main kernel, ok, but not a kernel itself with patches which we can't test02:26
ogra\sh, wont work...02:27
spacey_kiogra, currently means for a little while?02:27
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\shogra: put it on the list for motu meeting and ubz ;)02:27
dholbachspacey_ki: if you have a patch to make it work, we might consider it for a breezy-updates uploade02:27
Yagisan\sh: that makes proactive security work moot then02:27
spacey_kidholbach, ok, that will be in november then02:28
\shdholbach: are we able to use breezy-updates?02:28
spacey_kimaybe you should switch the bug to WON'T FIX or something :P02:28
dholbach\sh: with approval, yes02:28
ograwe'll have universe kernels ... hardened needs to patch directly, low latency needs to be in the tree, not as a module etc02:29
ogra\sh, i dont want to play with kernel stuff...02:29
ograbut there is a need for universe kernels...02:29
ograspacey_ki, the regular archives repoen on tuesday for dapper02:29
ogra*reopen02:29
Yagisan\sh: I won't submit any kernel to universe that is not mains kernel + proactive security patches02:30
spacey_kii think we need a breezy-updates ;p02:30
Yagisan\sh: I don't want to see broken kernels in breezy either02:30
Yagisans/breezy/dapper02:30
\shYagisan: what means "proactive security patches"...if there is a need for more security, it should go into main line...02:31
Yagisan\sh: main line won't take competing patches02:31
\shwe ca provide packages for other stuff, which uses linux-kernel source and patch methods for the kernel in main line...so the user who needs the stuff can build the kernel themselfs.02:31
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Yagisan\sh: that is no change from now - it makes it a pain in the arse for users02:32
Yagisan\sh: and makes that proactive security bof at UDU a waste of time (from my point of view)02:33
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Yagisan\sh: can we integrate linux-patch-foo packages into the linux-sources build systems ?02:34
\shYagisan: think about this: how many users (normal ubuntu users) are in need of a different kernel? and how many users are needing hardened server kernels, when running a laptop or a plain desktop? the ammount of users who are using specialized kernels are less and those users are called "admins"..and those admins are working for "DCs" and they know what they're doing...I don't think we should focus on strange kernel configs in universe.02:34
dholbachi think this shoud be discussed in #ubuntu-kernel02:35
\shYagisan: possible ... we have to see and learn ;)02:35
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Yagisan\sh: how many needless kernel security updates did we need - that could have been avoided with such a patch02:35
dholbachthere might be a need for that, but it has implication which shouldnt just be discussed over here02:36
Yagisandholbach: I wanted to discuss this here, to gauge interest/support for initial work02:37
Yagisandholbach: so I could make a case to main for dapper + 1 secure by default installs02:37
dholbachYagisan: a wiki page and an announcement of the proposal would be better, i guess02:37
Yagisandholbach: I'm just following the requests made of me at UDU. Couldn't do it for breezy.02:39
\shdholbach: I'll put this as point on motumeeting page...I would like to see benc or fabbione with us in this discussion02:39
dholbach*nod*02:39
dholbach\sh: and elmo and the buildd admins for another bunch of kernel packages :)02:40
\shdholbach: I think one of the kernel guys should be enough.the rest is only formal ;)02:40
ogra\sh, dholbach they already gave their statements on the -devel ML when the audio discussio was up...02:41
dholbachhm02:41
ograeven mdz did02:41
\shogra: subject was?02:44
YagisanIf it is technically possible to have linux-source-x.y.z pull in kernel-patch-foo and build -foo kernels, I'll just make a kernel-patch-foo package02:44
Yagisanthat keeps kernels out of universe02:44
\shYagisan: the other way around sounds a bit better...+02:45
\shkernel-patch-foo pulls in linux-source  ;)02:45
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Yagisan\sh: as long as it builds kernels for the users that can be installed as aptitude install kernel-foo I'm happy02:46
Yagisan\sh: I use them, and my customers would use them02:47
\shYagisan: well...then we should think about it in this way: OEM installs require OEM repositories...e.g.02:47
\shanyone is reading jdubs release management ideas?02:48
Yagisan\sh: link please02:49
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\shYagisan: Message-ID: <20051014121811.GD15913@localhost.localdomain> <- I'm reading per mail client :(02:50
dholbachit might be prudent to form a libofx taskforce now? :)02:50
\shdholbach: what now? phew..I'm just glad, that ajmitch touched it the last time ;)02:51
dholbachhaha02:51
dholbachanother bug02:51
\shoh no02:51
ograrather fix the root of the problem.... rewrite gnucash for gnome2.X02:51
dholbachTrashGnome1BOF02:51
dholbach:)02:51
\shogra: the correct fix of this bug: "Use Pen & Paper" ,-)02:52
ograheh02:53
ograthere is a long discussion on debian-gtk-gnome about throwing out gnome1 .... but gnucash still keep the crap in :)02:54
dholbachhow are the python/zope teams inlaunchpad called?02:54
\shWEEKEND TIME !02:54
\shogra: heading home now...and rushing for trains02:55
\shogra: will give u a call when I'm there...including keyboard and stuff like this02:55
ograwhoops...02:55
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\shogra: forget about this...02:55
ogra\sh, :)02:55
\shlater guys02:55
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YagisanBye \sh02:58
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bddebianHeya gang03:12
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dereks__hiya!03:20
mbreithey bddebian!03:23
bddebianHeya mbreit03:24
bddebianHello dereks__03:24
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\shogra: 18:07 as train schedule says...03:29
\shthere is no ice to your place sadley03:29
ograheh, nope, they dont stop at this tiny trainstation :)03:30
\shogra: *g* ok..give u a call when i'm there or just on station before...03:30
bddebianI see Herve e-mailed the ML, where has he been?03:41
chillywillyis there a way to be notified via email that there are new packages (kinda like how on the desktop the applet lets you know)...I think it would be a nice feature for sysadmin running a server where there's no X04:12
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siretartchillywilly: use aptitude, there is a section with NEW packages04:25
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chillywillyumm, that's not helpful though :)04:28
chillywillyI want to be notified, I can always periodically check for new packages or security updates04:28
chillywillyI think I'll just subscribe the the security announce list04:28
azeemchillywilly: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/breezy-changes ?04:32
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dholbachdredg: could you check ubuntu bug 12230 and see if it's fixed for you?05:40
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mptyo05:59
dholbachzyga: did you and the other ruby folks think about opening a ruby project on launchpad?05:59
dholbachzyga: a "team" rather?05:59
zygadholbach: no, I didn't knew we could05:59
zygawho can register a project?05:59
dholbachzyga: you can05:59
dholbachzyga: register a team (on your personal page)06:00
dholbachpeople/zyga or something06:00
zygachecking06:00
zygahmm06:02
dholbachhmm?06:02
zygaso how do I start the team exactly?06:02
dholbachdoesnt work?06:02
dholbachok let me take a look myself06:02
zygano no06:02
zygaI just don't see anything that resembles 'start a team'06:02
dholbachok06:03
dholbachlaunchpad.net/people -> "create new team" on the right hand side06:03
zygagot it06:03
dholbachROCK06:03
zygaso a team named Ruby is fine :)06:04
dholbachjust call it something short06:04
dholbachyeah06:04
dholbachROCK06:04
dholbachi'll assign you all the bugs ;-p06:04
zygaokay :-)06:04
dholbachand be sure to tell the other ruby folks06:04
dholbachwasnt that lathiat and lucas?06:04
zygaI'll put this on the wiki and notify them06:04
zyganow we have more :)06:04
dholbachWOW06:04
dholbachyou guys really make it happen :)06:05
zygahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTURuby06:05
tsengoh06:06
tsengplease fix ruby-snmp first :)06:06
zygahow long should subscriptions last?06:06
zygaI'm opting for 360 days06:07
dholbachi said "always" in the gnome team06:07
tsenguntil people unsubscribe?06:07
dholbachyeah06:07
dholbachor i chuck them out :-po06:07
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zygashould I put my email address as the contact address?06:09
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zygahmm there already is a ruby team06:11
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zygadholbach: ping06:17
zygadholbach: check this outh: https://launchpad.net/people/ruby06:17
zygadholbach: if you can suggest any sane resolution of this namespace collision I'm all ears06:18
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chillywillyI had written an init script for Unreal IRCd and right now I run the ircd as root, what's the typical way to run a daemon as a different user?06:48
chillywilly -u|--user ?06:48
chillywillyoption to start-stop-daemon that is06:48
chillywillyhmmm, I should package it06:49
chillywilly:)06:49
dholbachLathiat: zyga had a problem with https://launchpad.net/people/ruby - you could go for a "moturuby" team - that's what the media team did too07:03
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dholbachzenrox: if you're interested, you'll get there soon... really07:08
zenroxtho i have fixed skype 1.0.17 for ubuntu07:08
dholbachit's all a matter of interest07:09
dholbachthere will be quite a lot of easy tasks, where you can train up, if you'd like to07:09
zenroxdefentaly train up07:09
zenroxhehehe07:09
dholbachROCK07:09
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sivangbddebian: nahh07:10
dholbachif dapper opens up, we'll have all hands full of work, and i'd like to have you working with us07:10
sivangstop being modest :)07:10
zenroxi have made some packages like java, remade skype(from ther offical repos)07:10
zenroxso i have some skills07:10
zenroxand a fast inet07:10
zenroxtoo07:10
dholbachcool07:10
dholbach:)07:10
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zenrox3.3m/864k07:11
zenroxthats a must07:11
zenroxlol07:11
dholbachit's not everything :)07:11
zenroxbut it helps07:11
chillywillyno one can answer me?07:11
chillywillybddebian: how can I use start-stop-daemon to run a daemon as someone other than root?07:11
dholbachchillywilly: did you look at any other init script?07:12
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dholbachchillywilly: loads of them run as differnt users07:12
chillywillynah, I was off doing a million other things07:12
zenroxya see how others are layed out and coppy the exampole07:12
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dholbachTonio-! KDE chief! :)07:13
dholbachhow are you?07:13
Tonio-fine and you ?07:13
dholbachi'm fine too thanks :)07:13
dholbachstill doing bits of bug triage, before i'm off to a party07:13
Tonio-;)07:14
Tonio-I have to take the train to go and see my girlfriend ;)07:14
dholbachchillywilly: --user07:14
chillywillyok then07:15
chillywillythat what I asked before and no one said anything either :)07:15
dholbachdbus and uptimed use it07:15
dholbach(on my box)07:15
zenroxpostfix troo07:15
zenroxtoo07:15
chillywillywhat about --chuid?07:16
chillywillythat's what postgrest does it seems07:16
chillywillypostgres07:16
chillywillyklogd too07:17
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bddebianchillywilly: You are asking ME? :-)07:23
chillywillyseems like some daemons drop priveleges themselves so all you need is to add that user to the system07:24
chillywillybddebian: I was :)07:24
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dholbachMitario: !07:29
Mitarioyeah!07:30
dholbachhow are you?07:30
dholbach:)07:30
Mitariohi ;)07:30
Mitarioyeah great, very busy, but great :)07:30
Mitarioso you guys pulled it off right? :)07:30
dholbach:)07:30
dholbachwe've ben quite busy, yes ;)07:30
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zygare07:51
zygadarn cable modem dies all the time07:51
zygadholbach: ping07:51
dholbachpong07:51
dholbachyou could use moturuby07:52
zygadholbach: okay07:52
dholbachthat's what the media team used too07:52
dholbachit's motumedia07:52
dholbachsuper07:52
zygadone07:52
zygamoturuby07:52
dholbachsuper :)07:53
zygaI'll add all the people from MOTURuby to MOTURuby :)07:53
dholbach:)07:53
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LaserJockanybody know why xfontsel would give "Unable to load any usable fontset" ?08:01
zygaLaserJock: when in doubt, grep the source08:01
zygait's usually near an if (...) :-)08:01
zygaMotuRuby done08:03
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zygadholbach: does the team have any moturuby@launchpad.net or whatever global mailing list?08:04
dholbachunforunately not08:04
dholbachif you don't change it to a mailing list all of the member will get a mail08:05
zygadholbach: okay, I guess everyone already got an email after being joined into the team08:05
zygagreat08:05
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dholbachand another two for the bugs i assigned :-p08:05
zygaoh, bug reports already :)08:05
zygathanks08:05
dholbachthat was just for testing08:05
dholbachone of them was already closed08:05
dholbachso you already have a fixed bug under your belt :)08:05
siretartwe could install a mailman on tiber08:05
siretartand create some motu mailing lists08:06
zygasiretart: as soon as the need arises I'll ask you about it :)08:06
KyralI <3 FreeNX :D08:06
siretartbut I don't know if thatwould be desired or even counterproductive08:06
zygaI'll see how the team works together in the next couple of weeks08:06
dholbachwe'll see how it works out08:06
dholbachyeah08:06
siretartWe'll definitly need a maillinglist for revu2, for accept maillinglist control and buildlogs08:07
zygadholbach: is there any way to assign bugs to MotuRuby instead of to me directly?08:07
KyralHoly bugs batman08:07
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KyralTime to have fun :D08:07
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dholbachzyga: just type "moturuby" in the text box08:07
zygahttps://launchpad.net/people/moturuby/+assignedbugs08:08
zygaokay08:08
LaserJockzyga: unfourtunately grep didn't help, any other suggestions?08:08
zygaLaserJock: you didn't find the place that message is printed?08:09
LaserJockno08:09
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zygaLaserJock: that's strage08:09
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LaserJockwell, I think it is a genergic X thing not specific to the apps. I have at least 2 programs that give this error08:09
KyralI'm going after 312908:10
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zygadid someone write that in notepad or what08:11
LaserJockif you start xfontsel do you get the same error?08:13
KyralCan someone assign 3129 to me? I think I can fix it easy08:13
zygaWarning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion08:14
zygaWarning: Unable to load any usable fontset08:14
LaserJockyep, that's it08:14
zygais xfontsel used by ANYTHING?08:14
zygaxbase-clients08:14
LaserJockwell, the real thing I am going after is Xfig08:15
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zygadholbach: is it possible to alter control file in breezy (after release) to fix this bug/08:15
dholbachcontrol file after release?08:16
dholbachto what?08:16
zygadholbach: basically to fix dependencies08:16
dholbachyou could upload to breezy-updates08:16
zygaokay08:16
KyralHow do we do that?08:17
zygaI'm not finished reading this yet but I'd like to know my options08:17
dholbachget approval for it first08:17
dholbachwe can't upload a million of stuff to breezy-updates08:17
KyralYah08:17
dholbachyou basically have one shot to do it right08:17
KyralSo I fix something then show it to you? :P08:17
dholbachand very severe issues only08:17
zygaI understand08:17
Kyralhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/vm/+bug/3129 <---This one is confirmed, and I'm gonna try to fix it08:18
zygatoo bad we don't have delta updates yet08:18
dholbachi'll have to talk to matt/... - dunno how we handle those cases08:18
dholbachwe should fix it first thing in dapper08:18
dholbachand then look how to do it in breezy08:18
zygaright08:20
Kyralhey in the rules file for the vm package, could I just have a POSTINST file that tells it to make install?08:22
LaserJockbrb, gotta test something08:22
dholbachKyral: no08:22
Kyralhmm then...08:22
dholbachKyral: you need to make install on the build system08:22
dholbachthe stuff that is installed in thed 'install' target is in the package08:23
Kyralerr wait08:23
Kyralmake :P Not make install :P08:23
dholbach'make install' on the side where the package is actually installed (where postinst runs) wouldnt help08:23
dholbachthe same08:23
Kyralhmm, well somehow it has to get run...08:23
dholbachyou have to heavily distinguish between build system and installation system08:23
Kyralrules maybe...08:23
dholbachyeah08:24
dholbachexactly08:24
Kyralokay!08:24
KyralI'm on it. Fix a typo and change rules :D08:24
dholbachbut that should happen more or less automatically08:24
KyralIt isn't thats the problem08:24
dholbach(depending on the build system of the software)08:24
KyralSee the bug ;P08:24
dholbachok looking08:24
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dholbachok i see08:25
KyralI've confirmed both counts08:25
KyralCan I go for it? :D08:26
LaserJockok, found my problem. If I have my locale set to en_US ISO-8859-1 then the error messages go away08:26
dholbachcounts?08:26
bddebianHeya LaserJock08:26
Kyralthe typo in README.Debian08:26
dholbachah ok08:26
dholbachsuper08:26
Kyraland the whole having to do "sudo make"08:26
dholbachdid you write "sudo make" in debian/rules?08:26
Kyralnot yet08:27
dholbach"sudo" is wrong08:27
dholbachunfortunately08:27
KyralI know ;P08:27
dholbachok :)08:27
KyralI'm pbuildering the original package right now to do a control test ;P08:27
dholbachouch08:27
dholbachthe packaging is ... intersting08:28
dholbachVERY :)08:28
Kyralvm?08:28
dholbachyeah08:28
Kyralhowso?08:28
dholbach792K in debian/08:28
dholbachand only 148k in examples08:28
Kyraleh?08:28
dholbachi'd drop most of it :)08:28
KyralIts a mode for Emacs I think08:28
dholbachapt-get source vm; du -sh vm*/debian/08:29
Kyralcan't right now, apt is locked08:29
Kyralpbuilder ;P08:29
dholbachyeah08:29
dholbachand you have the source in front of you :)08:29
Kyralanyway why is that odd?08:29
Kyralgood point...08:29
dholbachthe stuff in debian/common is crack08:30
Kyraluhh?08:30
dholbachit contains common scripts to make writing debian/rules easier08:30
KyralCDBS?08:30
dholbachi suppose it's an ancient packaging08:30
LaserJockdoes anybody know how to fix my locale problem? Or at least where to look? apparently UTF-8 is the problem08:30
dholbachtoday, exactly, you use CDBS08:30
bddebianGotta move, bbiab08:30
dholbachLaserJock: sorry, what causes you grief?08:31
KyralSo should I just fix it or completely rewrite it?08:31
dholbachKyral: that's not necessary, only if you intended to maintain it08:31
Kyralheck no08:31
dholbachif we fix stuff, we try to keep the diff small08:31
KyralI'm just gonna fix the thing :P08:31
dholbachreadable, but small08:31
Kyralso can I assign it to me in Launchpad?08:32
LaserJocksome apps give error about "Unable to load any usable fontset" unless ISO-8859-1 is used instead of UTF-808:32
Kyralthe bug that is08:32
dholbachKyral: if you finished and it works for you, you could attach the debdiff to it08:32
dholbachKyral: so we all 'd get the mail announcing it and have a look and upload it08:32
KyralI havent even started, pbuilder is slow due to the mirror being ravaged08:32
dholbachyeah08:32
KyralI'll confirm it at least08:33
dholbachit's nice to have you cracking on it08:33
Kyraleh?08:33
dholbachbe sure to ping me or somebody else to proofread the diff08:33
Kyralokay08:33
dholbachROCK :)08:33
dholbachand once dapper is open, we fix it for good08:33
KyralComment added08:33
Kyralshould I changed the status to accepted?08:34
dholbachyeah08:34
Kyraland assigned to..?08:34
dholbachleave it to motu08:34
Kyralright08:34
dholbachso we all get the mail when you have the patch in place08:34
dholbachand can act on that08:35
Kyralyup yup08:35
KyralMOTU List is Ubuntu-Devel right?08:35
Kyralor is there a separate mailing list..08:35
dholbachyeah08:35
dholbachbut for bugs we have a different one08:36
dholbachuniverse-bugs@08:36
Kyralkk, remind me to subscribe to that one08:36
KyralOh how would I attached a debdiff to it?08:37
dholbachthere's a "add file" somewhere08:37
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dholbachon the bug's page08:37
Kyralk. and I assume in the changelog I just increment the number after ubuntu?08:37
dholbachyeah08:37
dholbachyou can use   dch -i -Ddapper  for that08:37
Kyralk08:38
dholbachKyral: please subscribe to universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com - you can do so on http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs - this is necessary to have you better informed about bugs in universe, which will help to have universe cleaner, which will make ubuntu nicer and will bring us closer to world domination. i hope you can see the point. thanks for your involvement.08:38
Kyraland just attach the diff file that dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot makes?08:38
dholbachdebuild -S  is shorter08:39
dholbach(which will build the source package)08:39
Kyralokay08:39
dholbachdebdiff bla1.dsc bla2.dsc will give you the debdiff08:39
Kyralcool08:39
LaserJockdholbach: some apps give error about "Unable to load any usable fontset" unless ISO-8859-1 is used instead of UTF-808:40
dholbachhm08:41
dholbachdid you instlal the language-packs for you?08:41
dholbachand maybe   dpkg-reconfigure locales08:41
zygageez08:42
LaserJockI did dpkg-reconfigure locales. If I set the default to ISO-8859-1 it is all good, but if I set the default to UTF-8 it gives warnings08:42
zygadid we get rid of the ./ crowd already?08:42
zygaI'm fetching de locale and it's pretty slow08:42
Kyralappending make to rules should fix this...08:42
dholbachok, guys, i'm off08:43
dholbachneed to go to a party:)08:43
Kyralcya08:43
LaserJockcya08:43
dholbachhave a good time!08:43
zygabye08:43
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LaserJockheha \sh09:06
\shjoho LaserJock09:06
LaserJocki've got a problem with locales09:08
\shand I have my free time :)09:08
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LaserJocksome programs give warnings like "Unable to load any usable fontset" if locale is set to UTF-809:09
\shu have the language selector installed? which is installed via ubuntu-desktop...09:10
\shand now I'll give my laptop to suse, ogra's better half09:10
LaserJock\sh: yes language selector is installed09:11
LaserJockwhen I do dpkg-reconfigure locales and set the default to ISO-8859-1 the warning go away09:12
LaserJocktry starting xfontsel and see if it gives you these warnings09:13
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Mezw00hoo09:16
Mezmy own computer09:16
Mez*pets it*09:16
zygaMez: good for you09:17
zygaMez: anything less common than i38609:17
KyralWaiiiit.09:18
MezLinux apathy 2.6.12-8-k7 #1 Thu Sep 15 22:09:23 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux09:18
KyralYou don't need to compile el files....do you...09:18
Mezi686?09:18
Mezshould be k709:18
LaserJockMez, same thing here "Linux lambda 2.6.12-9-k7 #1 Mon Oct 10 13:47:52 BST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux"09:19
LaserJockwhat the heck is BST?09:20
KyralOkay, 3129 just got easier09:20
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saintsjdI am working with the debianGIS group.  We have just updated the gdal package to from 1.2.6 to 1.3.1.  Its the first of many packages that we would like to sync it to ubuntu. What are the steps I should take to get started?09:28
plugwashBST is british summer time09:28
Mezsaintsjd, it should be auto-synced across for dapper09:29
saintsjdGreat for drapper. is there a way that we could update the breezy packages also? perhaps via new upstream release? or is it too late?09:31
Mezsaintsjd, once it goes into dapper, as long as it builds for breezy, I can auth it for backports09:33
Mezbut thats about the only place you'll get it in now if it isnt already in the archives09:33
saintsjdMez, ok. That makes sense.  I should just focus then on getting things into debian unstable.  When will packages be synced for drapper?09:34
saintsjdMez, Its builds on breezy. I am running it now.09:35
ivoksbackports?09:35
ivokswhy in backports?09:35
Mezsaintsjd, I'm not too sure about dapper stuff, as elmo or keybuk... but it should stat syncing everything across soon09:35
ivoksbackported from where?09:35
Mezivoks from dapper to breezy09:35
ivoksMez: once it gets in dapper, yes09:35
ivoksbut not before that...09:35
Mez<Mez> saintsjd, once it goes into dapper, as long as it builds for breezy, I can auth it for backports09:36
ivoksMez: yeah, my mistake, sorry09:36
Mez:P09:36
Kyralif I'm attaching a debdiff to a bug that fixes it, should I mark it as a Patch?09:40
saintsjdThanks Mez.09:40
MezKyral, yes09:40
Kyralkk. I assume filename doesn't matter?09:40
Mezsaintsjd, watch packages.ubuntu.com as soon as it gets into breezy, email ubuntu-backports@lists.ubuntu.com and let me know and I'll clear it09:41
MezKyral, It'll probably be renamed anyways09:41
Mezwhat bug is it09:41
Kyral3129 in Launchpad09:41
Kyralhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/vm/+bug/312909:43
KyralJust a typo...I already fixed it ;P09:43
Kyralshould I go ahead and attach the debdiff?09:45
Mezyeah09:45
Mezand I'll fix it in a sec09:45
KyralI already did :P09:45
Kyraland attached09:46
MezKyral, you fxied and uploaded?09:46
saintsjdMez, I will watch the packages site. Thanks... the Ubuntu community is always so responsive.09:47
Mezsaintsjd, we try :D09:47
KyralMez I can't upload09:47
KyralI'm just a MOTU-In-Training09:47
MezKyral, hence why I said I'd fix it09:48
Mezaka upload it09:48
Kyraloh okay :D09:48
Kyralsorry :P09:48
KyralCan I mark it fixed?09:48
Mezno09:49
MezI've marked it PendingUpload09:49
Mezpluys I dont think you have access to09:49
Kyralah okay09:49
KyralI can change status, but then go into hold until someone reviews them09:49
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KyralOh well, Bug Squished either way :D09:51
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LaserJockdo any of you have xfig installed?09:51
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Kyralyo Seveas09:57
Seveasoi09:57
Kyralwait...Mez did you mean upload rights to REVU?09:58
Mezno09:59
Kyralokay. Too...many...upload...thigns...09:59
Kyral*THUD!*09:59
Kyral;P Thanks everyone for putting up with my stupid questions all the time :D10:00
Mezogra: ping10:00
siretartMez: hi dude!10:01
Mezsiretart: hey10:01
siretartMez: I just read your email on u-backports10:01
Mezlol10:01
Mezthe one I just sent?10:01
siretartMez: I thought the mirrormax mirror is already closed, so I'm a bit confused now10:01
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MezI'm a bit behind10:01
KyralI know jdong is using MirroxMax to host Breezy-Extras-Staging10:02
siretartI also think I read that he wanted to maintain some sort of staging directory10:04
KyralI heard that its his equivelent to Debian Marrilat10:04
Kyralor something like that10:04
MezI'm trying to contact him now10:05
siretartKyral: he had a directory 'hoary-extras' where he did stuff in like libdvdcss and w32codecs10:08
siretartKyral: but he already removed these, 'for legal reasons'10:08
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KyralMore bugs to be squished...10:12
Mezsiretart: no I removed some cause people were bitching (bob2 mainly)10:12
siretartMez: ah.10:13
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Kyralyo bddebian10:13
LaserJockMez: so is there a place to get the extras or is that just discontinued altogether?10:14
bddebianHeya Kyral10:21
MezLaserJock - I'm not oo sure10:21
LaserJockok, I was able to figure out my locale problem, I think. If I run "xset fp rehash" the warnings go away in the old X apps10:23
LaserJockbut how does that relate to fixing the bug?10:23
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sivangbddebian: so, what works are still left to do to get more changlogs entries?10:44
bddebiansivang: Probably not much until Dapper :-)10:47
bddebiansivang: Maybe some bugfixing on Malone :-)10:48
KyralYah10:48
KyralThe BugFixing is ripe today10:49
sivangbddebian: ah I see, well, what are the plans for dapper?10:49
Kyralminor typos :D10:49
sivangKyral: yo :)10:49
sivangKyral: whassup with you dude?10:49
KyralSquashed my first bug :D10:49
sivangbddebian: no more trasitions to be made??10:49
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bddebiansivang: There will be a ton of merges once Dapper opens I think10:49
LaserJockKyral: dang it, I've been trying to get my first all day ;-)10:49
Kyraljust a typo in a readme, but it snagged me a changelog entry :D10:50
bddebianWhat good is that doing if you can't upload?10:50
KyralMez is gonna upload it for me10:50
bddebianMez can't upload either10:50
Mezyes I can10:50
bddebianTo what?10:50
Kyrallol there he is10:50
Mezuniverse10:50
bddebianBreezy?10:50
Mezyes10:51
bddebianIt thought it was locked?10:51
Mezoh... lol10:51
Mezyeah10:51
Kyral...then why couldn't I stick it in REVU?10:51
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Kyraloh nm :P10:51
MezKyral: change it to accepted10:51
KyralThis is why dholbach told me to change the Distro on the changelog to Dapper :D10:51
Kyralyou got it10:51
KyralSo when Dapper opens, it will get uploaded?10:52
Mezyeah10:52
Mezprob at UBZ10:53
KyralCouldn't I have done that :P10:53
Meznot if you dont have upload rights10:53
\shDapper is opened from tuesday on10:54
sivangguys, dapper will open from tuesday10:54
KyralI can upload to REVU10:54
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Kyralor do you mean other upload rights?10:54
sivangso no more packages requiring love in universe? I'm alwasy too late :)10:55
\shsivang: wait until tuesday10:55
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sivanganyway, more time to work on my goals and bofs, produce some demos, and give some DB2 love to ubuntu :)10:55
KyralOh someone look over my DCBU already. It should be fully polished :P10:55
sivang\sh: sure, will allow me to also read some stuff to be prepared.10:55
sivangKyral: that's the package selection thinigy?10:56
\shsivang: hehe.debian-new-maintainer-guide :)10:56
Kyralits hte config backup thingy10:56
KyralSo basically we fix packages and as soon as Dapper opens we send them all to REVU?10:56
sivang\sh: nahh, that's passe - I'm in need for reviewing the policy :)10:57
\shsivang: hehe10:57
\shbtw...cheers guys10:57
Mezhey \sh10:57
sivang\sh: really, I've read the NM guide for a dozen of times, never supplied to full view I was looking,10:57
\shhey Mez10:57
sivang\sh: I wish I was fluent with packaging as I am fluent with code :)10:57
\shsivang: as I just said to ogra...we don't know nothing10:57
\sh;)10:58
KyralMez: If its okay with you I'll upload the package to REVU on Tuesday10:58
MezKyral: if it's just a patch, there's no need10:58
MezI just use the patch, then upload10:59
Kyralokay10:59
LaserJockdoes anybody know where X puts commands that it executes on startup?10:59
KyralStill, its my first fix :D10:59
Kyraland first changelog entry :D10:59
Kyraland cya guys later :P11:00
KyralDinner calls11:00
MezLaserJock, X doesnt, the weindow manager does11:01
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LaserJockMez: well, doesn't X start things at the beginning, before a window manager?11:15
Mezyea, the window manager11:16
LaserJockok, well as I understand it the font's are supposed to be updated every time X is started11:16
LaserJockbut I am having to execut xset fp rehash every time11:17
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LaserJockhmm, well this is frustrating but I don't know if there is anything I can do about it11:27
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