[01:45] <Tm_T> hello kids
[01:49] <Riddell> hi Tm_T 
[02:01] <Tm_T> Riddell: I've heard some complains that 3.5b1 is slower
[02:02] <Tm_T> than 3.4.2
[02:03] <Tm_T> and trouble if filenames include umlauts
[02:21] <\sh> Tm_T: filenames should _not_ have umlauts  
[02:21] <\sh> I hate MS for this idea
[02:22] <\sh> it gave me a lot of nightmares during my SVN project
[02:37] <JRe> Is it normal that I have media:/ not detecting new devices ? 
[02:40] <OculusAquilae> JRe: yes, thats normal it think
[02:40] <JRe> OculusAquilae: damn :(
[02:40] <OculusAquilae> right
[02:41] <OculusAquilae> you could write a patch :-)
[02:41] <OculusAquilae> not sure if Riddell is working on it
[02:41] <JRe> OculusAquilae: is it still a hal trouble ?
[02:41] <OculusAquilae> i think so
[02:47] <Riddell> JRe: try installing this http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kdebase-kio-plugins_3.4.3-0ubuntu5_i386.deb
[02:47] <Riddell> JRe: then killall kded && kded
[02:48] <Tm_T> \sh: you mean pkirjoitus.odt ?
[02:48] <Tm_T> \sh: why not
[02:48] <JRe> Riddell: where is the source (i have to rebuild for Amd64) ?
[02:50] <Riddell> JRe:  http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu_23_hal_api.diff
[02:50] <Riddell> fixed patch
[02:50] <\sh> Tm_T: because it gives you problems with applications, which are using plain "LC_LANG=C" ..
[02:50] <Tm_T> true
[02:50] <\sh> Tm_T: and filenames shouldn't have umlauts at all...
[02:51] <\sh> Tm_T: think about the problems with cyrillic filenames or japanese/chinse "umlauts" ,)
[02:51] <Riddell> \sh: kubuntu is unicode, any filename should work
[02:51] <Tm_T> Riddell: I think so too
[02:51] <Tm_T> Riddell: and does work here
[02:52] <\sh> Riddell: right...but filenames shouldn't handled by unicode...I like the 7bit ascii filenames....because it gives nobody headaches..same applies to IDN dns ;)
[02:52] <OculusAquilae> thanks Riddell, installed patch
[02:52] <\sh> but it's my opinion
[02:52] <OculusAquilae> working
[02:52] <\sh> ok...going shopping
[02:52] <JRe> Riddell: ok thanks, I'll rebuild kdebase with this pach
[02:52] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: why is it not in the repos?
[02:54] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: I need someeone elite to review it before I can upload to breezy-updates
[02:54] <Riddell> and they seem to be taking the weekend off
[02:54] <OculusAquilae> ah ok, so it will hopely be in the repos next week, won't it?
[02:54] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: yes
[02:55] <Mez> Riddell: isn't it pitti who does that
[02:56] <Riddell> Mez: dunno, ask him
[03:14] <seaLne> a different view on java in ubuntu :-) :
[03:14] <seaLne> < gLAsgowMonkey> cool, i just built my first package shame i can't share it because of the license
[03:14] <pef> hello
[03:14] <seaLne> as aposed to grr java-package etc comments 
[03:15] <pef> how can I find all bugs assigned to Kubuntu team into Malone ?
[03:15] <seaLne> no idea, i tried but if you click on the link that says "kubuntu team" it just tell you that *you* have no bugs (or maybe you do)
[03:16] <Mez> pef: https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+assignedbugs
[03:16] <seaLne> ah
[03:17] <pef> Mez: thanks !
[03:17] <Mez> pef: no probs
[03:17] <Mez> pef: I have to know where that is :D
[03:25] <seaLne> someone want to close https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/kdebindings/+bug/1784 fixed in current version?
[03:25] <JRe> ho cool there is a kubuntu team now on lauchpad ;)
[03:26] <seaLne> and https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/kdebindings/+bug/2048 should be closed aswell
[03:27] <JRe> Mez: anyone can join the kubuntuteam?
[03:27] <Mez> JRe... I don't know... ask Riddell... I think it's for people who actually work/upload for it
[03:28] <JRe> Mez: ok so it's not useful for me I can't upload
[03:29] <Riddell> JRe: join up and I'll approve your name.  I've had a few random people try and join but we know and love you so feel free to add yourself
[03:29] <Mez> see: I wasnt sure
[03:29] <Mez> Riddell: can i be admin then ? :P
[03:29] <Mez> or is that for you main-ites
[03:30] <Riddell> Mez: not sure, the MOTUs seem to set everyone as admin so maybe that's the thing to do
[03:30] <Mez> I dont think it is... just the people you trust to add other people to the team
[03:32] <Riddell> I can't work out how to close seaLne's kdebindings beastie
[03:32] <Riddell> "Oops Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad."
[03:32] <Mez> .../
[03:34] <Mez> Riddell: want to be part of the Ubuntu English (United Kingdom) Translators
[03:34] <Mez> it mainly consists of changing the words like center and color :D
[03:34] <Riddell> ah hah, I have to fix it in the given distribution
[03:34] <Riddell> Mez: please
[03:34] <Mez> and a lot of copy and pasting
[03:34] <seaLne> Mez: nothing wrong with those spellings :)
[03:34] <Mez> seaLne, they are not british english
[03:35] <seaLne> thanks to html i like those spellings 
[03:35] <Mez> Riddell: lemme create the team
[03:36] <Riddell> seaLne: they're polluting our culture, where's your sense of british pride?
[03:36] <seaLne> i'm scottish :P
[03:36] <Mez> :D
[03:37] <Mez> scottish == british
[03:37] <Riddell> great, lets start the Scots translation team
[03:37] <Mez> "och" and "nay" instead of yes and no?
[03:37] <Mez> ooh.
[03:37] <Riddell> Mez: aye and naw
[03:37] <Mez> I wonder if they'll let us translate ubuntu into klingon
[03:37] <Tm_T> yu
[03:37] <Riddell> Mez: only romanised klingon, the alphabet isn't in unicode
[03:38] <Mez> damn
[03:43] <OculusAquilae> Mez: would be very difficult :-)
[03:43] <Mez> OculusAquilae, it was a joke 
[03:43] <OculusAquilae> i know :-)
[03:43] <Mez> be interesting to see how many people used it
[03:43] <Riddell> there was a klingon translation of KDE, don't think it get very far
[03:44] <OculusAquilae> Mez: theres google in klingon isn't it
[03:44] <OculusAquilae> don't know the url
[03:44] <OculusAquilae> http://www.google.com/intl/xx-klingon/
[03:46] <Mez> yes
[03:48] <Mez> hmm, Riddell: why is there no kubuntu project/product in LP
[03:48] <Riddell> Mez: what would it be for?
[03:48] <Riddell> hmm, I can't make people admins for the kubuntu team launchpad
[03:48] <Mez> hmm
[03:48] <Mez> \sh prob has to do ti
[03:49] <Riddell> anyone heard of Sfurdal?
[03:49] <Riddell> \sh: can you make people admins on the kubuntu team?
[03:49] <Mez> actually... it's not really that much you need to do tbh...
[03:49] <Mez> \sh is the owner, of course he can
[03:49] <JRe> Riddell: recompiled kdebase with updated patch and everything is working right, now. Thanks a lot!
[03:49] <Mez> JRe: when are you going for MOTU
[03:50] <Riddell> JRe: excellent
[03:50] <JRe> Mez: I have to works on package before to gain some more experience
[03:51] <Mez> cool
[03:52] <Riddell> oops, I pressed the wrong button for sfurdal and gave him membership
[03:54] <JRe> :)
[03:54] <Riddell> deactivated
[04:21] <Riddell> hi freeflying 
[04:54] <freeflying> hi
[05:25] <Lathiat> Riddell: about?
[05:26] <Lathiat> Riddell: trying to play with some kde svn stuff and it says AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE not found, any idea what package im missing?
[05:28] <Lathiat> like, i have automake etc, never had a problem on gnome stuff :\ hrm
[05:31] <Riddell> Lathiat: have you run make -f Makefile.cvs ?
[05:32] <Riddell> Lathiat: is it trunk or branch?
[05:32] <Lathiat> Riddell: yeh, thats whats barfing
[05:32] <Lathiat> trunk/playground
[05:32] <Lathiat> someone just told me to try unsermake
[05:32] <Riddell> Lathiat: trunk is kde 4, no guarantee it'll work
[05:32] <Riddell> Lathiat: which unsermake are you using?
[05:32] <Lathiat> well i was just about to try kdes version
[05:32] <Lathiat> (im using normal automake atm)
[05:32] <Lathiat> err
[05:32] <Lathiat> s/kde/ubuntu
[05:33] <Riddell> Lathiat: the unsermake package in kubuntu may well be out of date
[05:33] <Riddell> you might want to get unsermake out of svn
[05:33] <Lathiat> possibly, we'll find out :)
[05:33] <Lathiat> Riddell: yeh
[05:33] <Lathiat> also i seem to have to define 
[05:33] <Lathiat> AUTOHEADER AUTOMAKE etc
[05:33] <Lathiat> (else it tries to execute --version)
[05:33] <Lathiat> btu other people dont seem to have to
[05:33] <Lathiat> whats with that?
[05:34] <Riddell> dunno, I've never looked at kde 4, there's a wiki page that describes how to make it
[05:35] <Lathiat> i have the same problems with katapult, fwiw
[05:35] <Lathiat> exactly
[05:35] <Lathiat> the defines, and the AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE failure
[05:35] <Lathiat> avahi works fine, and it uses AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE, so it exists
[05:35] <Lathiat> weird
[05:35] <Riddell> patches for katapult very welcome :)
[05:36] <Lathiat> yeh i want to add smart bookmarks and urls
[05:36] <Lathiat> if i could get it to start to compile might help ;p
[05:36] <Lathiat> haha
[05:37] <Mez> lol :D
[05:37] <Mez> katapult seems to be going well
[05:39] <Lathiat> heh
[05:39] <Lathiat> i just ran avahi's autogen.sh over it
[05:39] <Lathiat> works fine
[05:40] <Riddell> spooky
[05:41] <Lathiat> heh
[05:41] <Lathiat> didnt actually compile tho
[05:41] <Lathiat> i reran Makefile.cvs
[05:41] <Lathiat> and now it works fine
[05:41] <Lathiat> heh
[05:44] <Mez> are you on about katapult?
[05:44] <Lathiat> both katapult and oKular
[05:44] <Riddell> Lathiat: ooh, what's okular like?
[05:46] <Lathiat> i'll find out shortly :)
[05:48] <hunger> This right-after-release time is soooo boring! No new packages to break my system in new and exciting ways;-)
[05:49] <OculusAquilae> :-)
[05:49] <\sh> Riddell: u can do it as well :)
[05:50] <\sh> Riddell: who should be admin?
[05:50] <Lathiat> lathiat@qaplaH:~/devel/kubuntupult/trunk/katapult$ ~/devel/avahi/trunk/autogen.sh ; make -f Makefile.cvs             
[05:50] <Lathiat> ;p
[05:50] <Riddell> \sh: I can't do it, doesn't let me I don't think
[05:50] <\sh> Riddell: hmmm....ok..who?
[05:51] <Riddell> mez and jre I think
[05:52] <\sh> done
[05:52] <\sh> who is sfurdal?
[05:52] <Riddell> \sh: how do I do it?  I go to https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+members/ and click edit and I don't have an option to make them admin
[05:52] <\sh> Riddell: hmmm....it works with firefox
[05:52] <freeflying>  Riddell:have there any patches to konqueror for cjk
[05:52] <\sh> lemme try konqui
[05:52] <Riddell> freeflying: none that I know of, what needs fixed?
[05:53] <Riddell> "Administrator:   yes Yes   no No"  it's giving me the option now
[05:53] <freeflying> we can not copy any file from a dir named in cjk
[05:53] <Riddell> I'm sure I didn't have that before
[05:53] <Riddell> freeflying: hmm, not heard of that before
[05:54] <Riddell> is it the same problem people were having earlier with umlouts?
[05:54] <\sh> Riddell: but u were logged in?
[05:54] <freeflying> maybe you have not used cjk .:)
[05:56] <freeflying> Riddell: will skim be included in the next release
[05:57] <Riddell> freeflying: I certainly hope so, I think someone made packages for it but they kinday got lost
[05:58] <Riddell> \sh: yes, I could do other changes to people
[05:58] <freeflying> Riddell: maybe i'd like to do so 
[05:59] <freeflying> Riddell:will you accept patch for cjk users?
[05:59] <\sh> Riddell: i set now jre and mez as admin..
[06:00] <Riddell> I hope they use it wisely
[06:00] <\sh> but who is sfural?
[06:01] <Riddell> random guy who signed up, I accidently accepted his membership
[06:01] <freeflying> why don't we build the latest release of scim ?
[06:02] <Riddell> freeflying: I suspect it's just that none of the developers use it so they havn't noticed
[06:02] <Riddell> freeflying: would you be able to update the scim package and make skim packages?
[06:03] <freeflying>  Riddell: I can make skim package
[06:04] <Riddell> freeflying: done packaging before?
[06:04] <freeflying> yeah
[06:05] <Riddell> cool, let me know if you need any help
[06:05] <freeflying> we have some project under ubuntu for we china users
[06:05] <freeflying> www.ubuntu.org.cn
[06:07] <Riddell> cool
[06:07] <Riddell> konqueror doesn't pick up all the characters on that page, quite a pain
[06:08] <freeflying> will you list our forum in the kubuntu forums
[06:08] <Riddell> what's the URL?
[06:09] <freeflying> http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewforum.php?f=6
[06:09] <freeflying> I shall leave for a while .if I need help ,i'll ask for you 
[06:10] <Riddell> freeflying: ok
[09:01] <Mez> Lathiat: ping
[09:01] <Lathiat> Mez: pong
[09:01] <Mez> you said there was some problems compiling kubuntu?
[09:01] <Mez> katapult *
[09:01] <Mez> I seem to be hitting some at the moment
[09:02] <Mez> what were your problems Lathiat 
[09:03] <Lathiat> yeh
[09:03] <Lathiat> well first of
[09:03] <Lathiat> i had to export
[09:03] <Lathiat> AUTOHEADER
[09:03] <Lathiat> AUTOMAKE
[09:04] <Lathiat> AUTOCONF
[09:04] <Lathiat> and then it failed to find AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE
[09:04] <Lathiat> turned out the solution was to use avahi's autogen.sh
[09:04] <Lathiat> and not the Makefile.cvs that kde uses in everything
[09:04] <Lathiat> but i had to run that after
[09:04] <Lathiat> ;p
[09:04] <Lathiat> its whack
[09:07] <Mez> hmm
[09:08] <Mez> erm, can you tell me where I get the autogen.sh from?
[09:08] <Lathiat> svn://svn.0pointer.de/avahi/trunk/autogen.sh
[09:08] <Lathiat> once i ran that once
[09:08] <Lathiat> re-running Makefile.cvs seemed to work fine
[09:09] <Lathiat> i think its something to do with the aclocal -D common thing
[09:11] <Mez> I dont seem to even have a damn configure file
[09:12] <Lathiat> Mez: because you generate it
[09:12] <Lathiat> from the auto-fu sources
[09:12] <Lathiat> thats what make -f Makefile.cvs is supposed to do
[09:12] <Lathiat> except its broken, at least for me
[09:12] <Mez> yeah
[09:12] <Mez> but I cant even generat them
[09:13] <Lathiat> so
[09:13] <Lathiat> get our autogen.sh
[09:13] <Lathiat> run that in the dir
[09:13] <Lathiat> then run make -f Makefile.cvs
[09:13] <Lathiat> shoudl work then
[09:14] <Mez> mez@apathy:~/dev/katapult/work$ sh ./autogen.sh
[09:14] <Mez> + '[' x = xam '] '
[09:14] <Mez> + rm -rf autom4te.cache
[09:14] <Mez> + rm -f config.cache
[09:14] <Mez> + libtoolize -c --force
[09:14] <Mez> libtoolize: `configure.ac' does not exist
[09:15] <Mez> Try `libtoolize --help' for more information.
[09:15] <Lathiat> err
[09:15] <Lathiat> wrong dir
[09:15] <Lathiat> go up a dir
[09:15] <Mez> the one below the source?
[09:15] <Lathiat> yes
[09:16] <Mez> where there is no configure.ac either
[09:16] <Lathiat> hrm i actually was in katapult/
[09:16] <Lathiat> where did you check it out from?
[09:16] <Lathiat> i got it from berlios not kde svn
[09:16] <Lathiat> i think
[09:16] <Mez> u using breezy
[09:17] <Lathiat> and there should be a configure.in
[09:17] <Lathiat> which is fine
[09:17] <Mez> Lathiat: I'm the dev
[09:17] <Mez> there's a configure.in.in
[09:17] <Lathiat> yeh
[09:17] <Lathiat> it'l get genned
[09:17] <Mez> I'm the prject manager *
[09:17] <Lathiat> i dunno
[09:17] <Lathiat> try make -f Makefile.cvs
[09:17] <Lathiat> then autogen.sh
[09:17] <Lathiat> then make -f Makefile.cvs
[09:17] <Lathiat> again
[09:17] <Lathiat> its dodge++ :)
[09:17] <Lathiat> worked for me (tm)
[09:17] <Lathiat> im going to bed
[09:17] <Lathiat> have fun
[09:18] <Mez> mez@apathy:~/dev/katapult/work$ make -f Makefile.cvs
[09:18] <Mez> This Makefile is only for the CVS repository
[09:18] <Mez> This will be deleted before making the distribution
[09:18] <Mez> ./admin/cvs.sh: line 33: --version: command not found
[09:18] <Mez> *** AUTOCONF NOT FOUND!.
[09:18] <Mez> *** KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer
[09:18] <Mez> make[1] : *** [cvs]  Error 1
[09:18] <Mez> make: *** [all]  Error 2
[09:41] <seaLne> did you grab the admin directory?
[09:42] <seaLne> or ignore me
[09:44] <OculusAquilae> Mez: you have to install automake1.6
[09:53] <Mez> aha