=== jeronim` [n=jj@203.17.19.11] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@201-26-76-37.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@cpc4-lich4-3-0-cust247.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === b3nw [n=ben@unaffiliated/b3nw] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sbartleylinux [n=sbartley@67.108.61.130.ptr.us.xo.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === aigarius [n=aigarius@159.148.239.80] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ProN00b [n=dot@pD951A981.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@203-214-4-72.dyn.iinet.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === shackan [i=shackan@host134-97.pool8259.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bigcx2 [n=bigcx2@jpi-stillwatr-233-242.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@d011188.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:29] nice work everyone on a sweet release [12:30] I installed fresh today and it was great === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.144.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=robitail@p238-121.public.uvic.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:50] hey all! [12:51] I've got a question, it appears that there is a bug in compaq laptop biosses that put the critical(S5) temperature and the passive temperature both at 73 degrees === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:51] this is rather stupid, and has some rather undesirable side-effects [12:51] namely, the laptop shuts down before it gets the chance to cool :) [12:52] heya all. I've determined that for my sound chipset, a few alsa settings must be set to off for sound to work without headphones, what package should get the bug? [12:52] should I make a patch to acpi-support to decrease the passive temperature if it is found to be the same as the S5 temperature? or should I just file a bug and let someone else sort it out? [12:54] robertj: alsa-base or alsa-utils, we'll punt it to the proper one [12:55] robertj: keep in mind it's not possible to always set it, since your ac97 quirk may be chipset-specific [12:55] crimsun: it is chipset specific [12:56] without jack sense and headphone jack sense and line jack sense it doesn't work properly [12:56] robertj: if it's chipset-specific, have you passed the appropriate ac97_quirk option (depending on your driver)? === feeha1 [n=sfeehan@pool-64-222-103-115.burl.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === neuralis [n=ike@83-131-19-95.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] robertj: additionally, some quirks have been hard-coded into the appropriate drivers, and you can pass that model as a parameter to the driver. modinfo === aigarius [n=aigarius@159.148.239.80] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aigarius [n=aigarius@159.148.239.80] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Bicchi [n=Bicchi@adsl-065-006-167-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === daniels [n=daniels@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] TMM, try reporting a bug and attaching the patch to the bug report :-) [01:00] mpt, I am still wondering what software should get the bug actually :) [01:01] mpt, acpi-support is the only bit of software that has the magic to determine the vendor, but currently has no infrastructure to do special things based on that... because, ideally, you need to poke 2 memory adresses for this laptop to get all the buttons to work [01:03] TMM: so, what you do is: [01:03] TMM: write the thing to patch the memory address, and use acpi-support to trigger it [01:06] that's it? [01:06] this pretty much involves all the recent presario models bij compaq and hp's evo and presario line [01:07] I've got another one :) [01:07] that should be all thats needed [01:07] and acpi-support, when you look at it, depends on a bunch of packages, but doesn't have the actual per-platform hacks in it itself. [01:07] it would be really good to fix those models :) [01:08] there is also a light next to the 'mute' button for sound, that, with the poking of the correct address will either turn on or off, I figured it out, but it would require wrapper scripts for the mute button handler in gnome... would such a thing be acceptable? [01:08] lifeless, actually, acpi-support includes quite a lot of scripts and other goodies [01:09] scripts yes. [01:10] but all they do is determine what features, and what things from other packages, to run [01:11] ok [01:12] so what about the mute light? :) [01:12] anyway, however you do it, I'm positive mjg59 will love you for a patch [01:12] he can tweak it to be 'right' later :) [01:12] for the mute light, I suspect a kernel patch is the 'right way' but.. file a bug with the info you have, and/or chat with mjg59 [01:13] hes teh acpi king [01:13] ok, I'll make 2 patches then, one for insane temperature triggers(that is not compaq specific imgo), one to enable the buttons for the compaq === tseng [n=tseng@brandonhale.us] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] lifeless, hard to do, the kernel doesn't really need or want to know the mute-state of the soundcard :) === tseng [n=tseng@brandonhale.us] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:14] lifeless, although, I suppose I could work it into a soundcard drivers, but the button has nothing to do with soundcards, from a technical point of view, I'd have to add that code to all the soundcards that are in the different laptops that have this weird button [01:15] not as a soundcard button [01:15] just as an event [01:15] oh, I misread [01:15] so you can turn the light on or off, but it is not a button ? [01:15] the button and the light AND the soundcard don't have anything incommon [01:15] the light is next to the button [01:16] but you need to trigger the state of the light manually [01:16] it's a stupid setup [01:16] but, hey, here it is! :) [01:17] right [01:17] so its just a visual that is labelled 'muted' [01:17] basically, yeah [01:17] mmm, so, probably a driver patch to allow setting it [01:17] in what? :) [01:17] and then whatever for gnome to set that thing if present [01:17] hardware is usually kernel :) [01:18] can you tell that the light is there ? [01:18] there is rather a lot of kernel === neuralis [n=ike@83-131-19-95.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [01:18] no, you can't tell that the light is there [01:18] bugger [01:18] you can't probe for it or anything [01:18] makes it kinda hard. [01:18] I know :) [01:18] I know roughly what laptops have it based on their type#'s [01:18] so , I think you definately need to talk this through with mjg59 - I suggest filing bugs for each thing, with as much info as possible. [01:19] I have 3 laptops here that have the light, all 3 with different soundcards [01:19] all three compaq [01:19] 'sound chip' is a better term probably :) [01:19] I have code to set the light that works on all three, I have code to enable the extra buttons [01:19] I just don't have a place to stick it :) [01:20] well, I have a place I could 'stick it up to' but that's hardly productive :) === mpt [n=mpt@201-26-76-37.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-devel ["http://mpt.net.nz/"] [01:26] lifeless, I'll dick around a bit, I'll figure something out [01:26] TMM: mjg59 is our laptop guru, but if he has any sense he's attending the release party right now ;-) [01:26] he would be the one to talk to about it [01:27] I'll go do that [01:27] I hope he's having a couple of drinks :) [01:27] I see a lot of the regulars are idling now, so I hope everyone is getting nice and drunk :) [01:28] knowing mjg59 he's having a couple of bottles of drink [01:28] Keybuk: I would see to it personally, but being on the other side of the planet etc... [01:28] Keybuk: why aren't you there? [01:28] wasn't invited [01:28] and didn't find out anything about where it was until late this evening when it was too late to get there [01:29] puh-leeze, you're implicitly invited [01:29] it did sound like rather a last-minute affair [01:31] yeah [01:31] I think mark just went wherever the wiki said there was a party [01:32] mark has a chopper :) [01:32] that helps in those cases :) [01:32] sorry to tell you, but you suck for forcing users to have gcj !!!!!! [01:33] who? [01:33] the one whos responsible for it === deb_user_ba [i=deb_user@201009118129.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:33] ProN00b: first, the code of conduct applies in this channel [01:33] ProN00b: second, openoffice.org are the ones responsible [01:33] Hi!! [01:33] i don't care, i am not a dev anyway [01:34] that makes no difference [01:34] openoffice needs it ? [01:34] whee [01:34] but why does it have a java binary *_* [01:34] thats just strange === deb_user_ba [i=deb_user@201009118129.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:34] ProN00b, the alternative would have been to depend on sun's closed source javaVM, your choice [01:34] ProN00b, :) [01:35] i will download it [01:36] still can't you somehow hide that java binary from console [01:36] rename it or something ? [01:36] ProN00b, yeah, but openoffice will work without it, isn't that a good thing? plus, using gcj is a hell of a lot faster than vm stuff [01:37] nothing against gcj in general, i actually like the idea, but i need to run my jar's and i think there might be some fuckup having two java binaries on the system [01:38] ProN00b: dude, if you can't be polite and respectful (as well as remain on-topic -- this is more of an #ubuntu question/rant), please leave [01:41] i rather fell this is a development issue, as having a working (as in running sun javavm made for packages) java is quite important to some people [01:42] ProN00b: install a package with your proprietary jvm of choice that supports /etc/alternatives, and then use update-alternatives to make it defaut. that's exactly what update-alternatives is for. [01:43] daniels, that's way too polite. :) [01:43] whats that strange alternatives stuff, i have never heard of it [01:44] ProN00b, openoffice is sponsored by sun, sun develops java, at least openoffice.org2-base is disfunctional without java, and many other options in -writer and -calc also [01:44] ProN00b: at this point, I'm pretty sure it's ceased to be anything to do with development. [01:44] ProN00b, we can't ship javaVM, so we use gcj [01:44] ProN00b, and you're trolling, and voilating the code of conduct. [01:44] ProN00b: I second daniels, please take this discussion to #ubuntu, there you can learn more about update-alternatives. [01:45] ProN00b, ubotu Ubuntu is an African concept of "humanity towards others". The code of conduct is at: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct === Bicchi [n=Bicchi@adsl-065-006-167-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:47] daniels, to his credit, he stopped being impolite and disrespectful a while ago [01:48] TMM, he shouldn't have started in the first place [01:48] HiddenWolf, true [01:48] but it's also wrong to bash someone for something he stopped doing :) [01:48] TMM, "you give me a free OS which works out of the box, but you suck, because it's not exactly how I like it!, Die" [01:49] TMM: right, but -devel isn't for answering what update-alternatives is. [01:49] daniels, true, that. :) [01:49] daniels, no, you are right [01:49] well, I'll just shut up now, I was having a nice converation on intercal in #ubuntu-nl === TMM votes to change all the python code in ubuntu to intercal [01:49] TMM, but really, if you voilate the coc, you lose credit. :) [01:50] HiddenWolf, obviously, but violating it yourself to tell it to someone in an unpleasant way isn't the way to go either [01:50] "You will stop making war, even if I have to kill each and every last one of you" [01:50] something like that [01:50] TMM, curt, not unpleasant. [01:51] TMM, and let's start by porting beagle and that mono cruft to python, then we can talk about intercal. :) [01:51] Once you get the hang of d-i preseeding, infecting the whole world with Ubuntu is a joy :) [01:51] HiddenWolf, noooo, let's port it to intercal!!! :) === xTina assimilates another 72 machines :) [01:51] xTina, d-i preseeding? [01:52] xTina, nice === TMM only assimilated 2 machines today :( [01:52] TMM: fully-automated installation just with debian-installer, a few python scripts, and cfengine2 abused as just an interpreter === HiddenWolf didn't assimilate anyone today [01:53] though this server here is bugging me with its network interfaces [01:53] I should have checked before how it was done :( [01:53] xTina, I usually assimiate with a good talk and a bunch of cd's :) [01:55] TMM: :) === bddebian [n=bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === daniels [n=daniels@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Alkmanas [n=Vavouras@ipa231.1.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@cpc4-lich4-3-0-cust247.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Alkmanas [n=Vavouras@ipa231.1.tellas.gr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === hunger [n=hunger@p54A61A02.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:23] 02:23:02 < strahler> o.k ich geh wieder off. carstenh und man-di vielen dank. === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-084-059-071-109.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:23] ECHAN sorry === shackan [i=shackan@host92-92.pool871.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === womble [n=mpalmer@eth359.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:38] fecking hell [02:38] people want backports already [02:39] Mez: just open dapper that would work well enough ;) [02:39] calc :P [02:39] for now [02:39] lol [02:43] Mez: it's always like this :) get used to it :) === mxpxpod [n=bryan@unaffiliated/mxpxpod] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax6-161.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:14] Mez, ARE there any backports? :) there is nothing to backport FROM... :P [03:14] TMM [03:14] my point exactly === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:16] it's just occurred to me ... I can't wait to see what the "Drake Dance" looks like [03:16] Mez, what did they want for backports then? or just backports in general? :) [03:16] keybuk: at the JD again? [03:17] TMM: Azureus [03:17] Mez, azureus is not going to come in universe or multiverse, right? [03:17] Mez, I'm still trying to get it to work and build with free java SDK :) or is someone else also at that? [03:18] mdz: I assume you have it all planned to the last step by now? :p [03:24] Keybuk: it? [03:24] mdz: the drake dance [03:24] ah [03:24] I have 2 more weeks to come up with something [03:25] we could all just stand around waiting [03:25] no, no, bad keybuk; cheap shot [03:26] lol [03:33] That should be the hallowe'en costume contest. [03:33] The best Dapper Duck. [03:34] are we having a ball? [03:35] No idea, but if you want tickets to Rocky Horror... ;) [03:35] if we are, I'll bring my uniform and come as a croupier [03:36] Mez: I plan to come to UBZ in costume on the 31st. It would be nice if I weren't the only one. [03:36] It wouldn't slow me down either way. [03:36] =) [03:36] lol [03:36] I can do a croup easy [03:36] lol [03:37] but... costume = PITA === Hobbsee [n=sarah@CPE-144-136-127-247.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === camilotelles [n=Camilo@20132203203.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:47] jbailey: I think the last costume I wore to Rocky Horror would scare people === ozamosi [n=nnnnnnnn@h130n11c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:48] jdub, ping [03:49] Mez: almost certainly at the release party [03:49] lol - just wondering why the wiki is so slow [03:49] and where is the release party? [03:50] London somewhere [03:50] ah shame [03:50] next week and I coulda gone [03:51] there will be more than sufficient parties at UBZ [03:51] PackageHeadersEducationSession - lol @ Keybuk === jcape [n=jcape@c-67-173-146-239.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wickedpuppy [n=wickedpu@cm25.epsilon165.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GmanZZZ is now known as Gman_ [03:58] when was debconf 4 [03:58] 2004 [03:59] May I think [03:59] fair enough [03:59] lol [03:59] http://www.netsplit.com/events/2004/debconf4/ [03:59] elmo didnt like backports back then apparently [03:59] :D [03:59] 26th May2nd June 2004 [03:59] http://people.debian.org/~taggart/talks/debconf4-backporting/img0.html [03:59] lmao [04:01] you know, I _STILL_ have chocolate left over from DC4 [04:01] lmao [04:01] acutally [04:01] this is funny [04:01] http://people.debian.org/~taggart/talks/debconf4-backporting/img12.html [04:02] hmm... how much chocolate did you buy? [04:05] SSDS is what HP guys used to call us before we were Canonical [04:06] yeah I know :D [04:06] I just found the slide amusing [04:09] mmm, baz missing --skip-present is today's friend [04:12] so I actually have two non-merged launchpad branches -- and I swear I submitted one of them wayyy back === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-93-61.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === otavio is now known as otavio[off] === r0bby2 [n=wakawaka@146.145.145.254] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman_ is now known as GmanAFK [04:44] GOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS! [04:46] dude, you're keeping the wrong timezone [04:47] just got back from GLLUG + release party [04:48] any good? [04:48] fun [04:48] GLLUG was smaller than their usual crowd, but they usually meet on saturdays during the day, so this was quite odd === ozamosi [n=nnnnnnnn@h130n11c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:52] Ok, I'm desperate. It's 4:44 am, I spent the past 7 hours debugging a network problem with breezy. Are there _any_ known issues related to using 2 network interfaces on breezy, routing , receiving but not replying on icmp echo requests ... anything? === r0bby [n=wakawaka@guifications/user/r0bby] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:56] none that I know of [04:56] are both interfaces receiving and sending packages separately? [04:56] are the iptables clear? [04:56] if you're trying to forward, do you have forwarding enabled and appropriate lifting between the two? === rafl [n=rafl@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:1757] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:03] Keybuk: I am not trying to forward, no iptables, both interfaces work just fine unless you are trying to send packets from subnet A to the Interface in Subnet B or from any subnet other than A to the interface in subnet A. [05:04] so it's a forwarding issue? [05:04] you're trying to accept packages on interface A and output them to interface B ? [05:04] Keybuk: not really [05:04] it would help greatly if you could be clear and precise about what you're trying to do [05:06] I want a machine to have 2 IPs, each on a separate interface in a separate subnet. [05:06] It worked this morning on Fedora, it doesn't work any more tonight on breezy. [05:07] I have a machine still working fine on Fedora with a similar setup, there is no difference except for the last 2 digits of the IP address, routing table is the same, forwarding is off on both. [05:07] right [05:08] The machine is not supposed to play router. [05:08] from the machine can you ping addresses on either interface? [05:08] yes. [05:08] so it works? [05:08] from the machine it works [05:08] to the machine, packets arrive but the machine doesn't seem to be sending anything out. [05:08] and from subnet A, can you ping the machine's interface A [05:08] yes [05:08] and from subnet B, can you ping the machine's interface B [05:08] yes [05:09] and from the machine, can you ping a machine on subnet A [05:09] yes [05:09] and from the machine, can you ping a machine on subnet B [05:09] yes [05:09] so you've just described a working machine [05:09] ...what is your problem? :p [05:09] that from any subnet other than A I can't ping the interface A, and from subnet A I can't ping the interface B [05:10] right [05:10] that's entirely expected behaviour! [05:10] which should work, did work and does work with the other machine [05:10] no, it shouldn't work [05:10] from subnet A you should not be able to ping interface B [05:10] because it's on a different subnet [05:10] if you want that to work, you need to enable IP Forwarding [05:10] no [05:10] think: firewall configuration -- you really don't want the kernel lifting packets between the two networks [05:11] you have to enable that [05:11] I am on a machine in A. If I ping the IP of the interface on B, the packets should go out to my default gw, go through * hops and then end up on interface B at some point. [05:11] They _do_ end up on interface B. [05:11] (says tcpdump) [05:11] right, now here's the interesting question ... how do you expect the packets to get back? :p [05:11] But the machine refuses to reply. [05:12] they have to go back out of B [05:12] but the machine's routing table will tell it to send them out of A [05:12] which requires forwarding, which is disabled by default [05:12] likewise if you ping the machine from a subnet that's not A or B, you need a default route for each interface to indicate how to get the packets back [05:13] iirc. RedHat and Fedora have always enabled forwarding by default [05:13] we choose to disable it by default for security reasons, because it's nearly always someone playing silly buggers [05:14] and you end up with horrible network configurations where your machine takes the ping on interface B but sends the reply out of A [05:14] so the incoming and outgoing packets go totally different routes [05:14] It's still that /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward tells me if forwarding is enabled, right? [05:14] yeah === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:14] it's 0 on both machines [05:15] the working and the non-working [05:15] ok, fedora are doing something else evil then [05:15] but that network topology you described shouldn't work [05:15] Keybuk: So, what about having 2 default routes? [05:15] Keybuk: multiple people have assured me it should be working [05:15] you're basically trying to make your machine behave as if it has two networking stacks [05:16] anyway, this is expected behaviour, so there's no bug here [05:16] there are plenty of howtos and documentation on the net for doing networking correctly [05:17] I'd especially start by learning the ip(8) tool, rather than ifconfig/route [05:18] I still don't understand why you think this could only work with forwarding packets. [05:18] The incoming packet and a response are independent to my knowledge. [05:18] So if I receive a packet on network interface A, nothing prevents me from sending out the response on B. [05:18] If the routing table says so, that is. [05:19] icmp is treated specially I think [05:19] it's been a while since I heavily played with the Linux networking stack [05:19] Keybuk: It's the same for SSH. [05:19] I quit working for ISPs a couple of years back, it's seriously not fun [05:20] ;) [05:20] I think I have to give up for now. [05:20] 8 hours in a noisy server room is taking a toll [05:20] I _think_ the responses are generated by flipping the headers around [05:20] so it deliberately replies from the IP that was ping'd [05:21] so it's already generating the reply "from B", and then trying to deliver that [05:21] which it can't do through interface A [05:22] Keybuk: But this implies that SSH should work. [05:22] the same may be true for TCP too [05:23] certainly I'm not surprised by the behaviour [05:27] check the values of (amongst others) conf/*/arp_filter and stuff [05:32] identical [05:34] what value? [05:34] certainly dig about; it's almost surely configurable behaviour -- one of the default network options may be different === tambaqui [n=patricia@200-230-129-143-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pusakat [i=proxy@203.167.88.65] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:38] Oh dammit. You're right [05:38] it's rp_filter [05:38] it's set to the same value on both machines [05:38] but turning it off makes it work on the non-working machine [05:40] it's probably not a good idea though :( [05:47] it is! [05:47] apparently it's only useful in combination ip forwarding turned on [05:48] Keybuk: thanks, i really appreciate your help [05:48] i thought i was going slightly nuts === bronson [n=bronson@pool-151-203-43-66.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:50] :) === r0bby2 [n=wakawaka@146.145.145.254] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@203-214-4-72.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ardchoille [n=ianmac@unaffiliated/ardchoille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ardchoille [n=ianmac@unaffiliated/ardchoille] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Mran] === lilo [i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:43] hi all.... apologies for our problems earlier [06:43] we're still piecing it together.... the scope of access was actually fairly limited [06:44] apparently it was partly social engineering and partly something else, we're still looking at the logs [06:46] anyway, I have a few more stops to make === lilo waves === lilo [i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === minghua [n=minghua@ppp-70-247-41-252.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === b3nw [n=ben@unaffiliated/b3nw] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === wickedpuppy [n=wickedpu@cm25.epsilon165.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === r0bby [n=wakawaka@146.145.145.254] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jeronim` [n=jj@203.17.19.11] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wickedpuppy [n=wickedpu@cm25.epsilon165.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OddAbe19 [n=OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A621BE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hikaru79 [n=hikaru79@d57-4-59.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:32] Morning all === stub [n=stub@203-214-4-72.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:51] morning === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.178] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:06] Good morning [09:08] hey pitti [09:08] pitti: security pkgs for sparc are on the way [09:08] breezy is done [09:08] hoary is building [09:08] for kernels? [09:08] morning pitti , fabbione [09:08] nope [09:09] pitti: the kernel was already done [09:09] pitti: openssl/curl/wget [09:09] hi sivang [09:09] ah [09:18] Good morning === hunger is getting a badsig on breezy-updates since yesterday evening. Is that a known problem? [09:19] hunger: what archive are you using? [09:19] i get no problems here [09:19] perhaps it's an out of sync mirror [09:19] fabbione: archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates Release [09:20] hunger: are you sure your ISP doesn't have a transparent proxy? [09:20] i rsynced this morning and updated all of my machines [09:20] no problem at all [09:20] fabbione: I am not. But I never had this problem before. [09:20] fabbione: I'll try a different mirror... [09:22] fabbione: You were right... switching protocolls to ftp helped. [09:22] Sorry for the noise. [09:23] Strange... it does work now, even after switching back to http. === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D1848.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:32] evening all [09:40] hey ajmitch === herzi [n=herzi@d011188.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:57] morning folks [09:57] hi siretart [09:58] fabbione: I see igor stopped building. How much of universe did he managed to build? do you have an overview? === xxenon [i=xxenon@81.13.232.130] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [10:11] siretart: we manged 90.28% of the entire archive [10:11] yes.. igor is stopped becuase breezy is closed [10:11] we will start building again when dapper opens [10:11] fabbione: whoa. thats great! that means poor old igor managed to build almost all of universe :) [10:12] siretart: not really.. it did its fair share :) [10:13] well, there is another sparc upcoming anyway. (perhaps after ubz) [10:13] ;) [10:13] siretart: hopefully we will get buildd's at the datacenter [10:13] siretart: you coming to UBZ ? [10:13] not sure yet tho [10:14] where does UBZ take place? [10:14] canadia [10:14] sivang: yepp :) [10:14] fabbione: that would be even better! :) [10:14] bah [10:14] siretart: yup [10:15] ubuntu in center should take place in central europe ;] === zyga will wait untill someone comes up with UIC [10:16] zyga: there was a conf in Spain [10:17] spain is better than canada but I cannot turn time :) [10:17] I didnt know of ubuntu back then === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d5153F60A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez cant wait for the ubuntu conference to eb in the UK [10:19] though it's usually in exotic locations [10:19] so, skegness? [10:19] Mez: it was in oxford, iirc [10:20] ajmithc :P [10:21] isn't oxford exotic enough? :) [10:23] ajmitch: you're not from the UK are you [10:23] NZ === ajmitch must leave, bbl [10:29] Mez: the first two-ish conferences were in england, i'd be surprised if it was back anytime soon [10:29] bob2 :( === infinity wonders what's so exotic about either Sydney or Montreal. [10:32] I mean, they'r enice, large, world-class cities, but hardly "exotic". [10:33] Except for all the people here in Australia who talk funny. [10:33] bob2: ah, I thought there was only Oxford one time, where/when was the other? [10:33] don't be grousing on us like that, mayte [10:33] Don't get agro, mate. [10:34] bob2: do you know if spephan richter's cookbook still available on the web? [10:35] s/spephan/stephan/ [10:38] mommy! GtkTreeView is breaking my fragile little mind! [10:39] Keybuk: what's wrong?? :) [10:40] it's eeeevil === mmtb [n=marcin@dxl84.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:40] Keybuk: what's it doing to ya ? === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:40] just trying to learn how to use it [10:41] eh, you bumped into the way the model corrosponds to it? (took me some time to get that in g-s-t) === carstenh [n=carstenh@mkfw.fh-trier.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MasterC [n=chans@dslb-084-060-224-231.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gilligan_ [i=gilligan@p549AA8B6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:01] sorry to ask here but no-one from the user channel knew -- does anyone know which package includes 'alsasrc' ? [11:02] .oO(use apt-file or packages.ubuntu.com?) [11:04] well packages.ubuntu.com brings no results [11:04] so that leaves me puzzled [11:05] that just means it's not in ubuntu [11:05] or wasn't when the index was last updated [11:05] this belongs in #ubuntu [11:05]