=== mpt [n=mpt@201-26-76-37.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@cpc4-lich4-3-0-cust247.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@p238-121.public.uvic.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === judax [n=judax@adsl-70-240-14-115.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@cpc4-lich4-3-0-cust247.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:02] http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jabra/breezy-docs.html [05:02] a little something I wrote up [05:02] may be of use to someone === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:29] anyone have docs on install flash that works ? [05:30] what part doesnt work? [05:30] uh swf doesn't load various swf's [05:41] jabra, install the package "flashplugin-nonfree" from the multiverse repository (if you are using Breezy) [05:44] multiverse? don't see that in /etc/apt/source.list? [05:46] nm, sorry my mistake [05:48] music is broke after I install it [05:48] damn === Liz [n=Liz@static-203-87-81-158.nsw.chariot.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:45] did yelp make it back as the default help menu reader? === Madpilot [n=bburger@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:50] hi all [06:51] hi Madpilot . So hows your computer? [06:51] well, I'm in Breezy now... [06:51] after dropping down to the command line and completing the upgrade w/ apt-get... [06:51] X crashed (or something) overnight [06:51] and wouldn't come back... [06:52] apt-get is the only true way to dist-upgrade a computer. none of that fancy gui thing :) [06:52] heh [06:52] i do it both ways [06:52] the fancy gui thing didn't work anyway... [06:52] from the fancy gui :P [06:53] I've got a couple of complaints, though... [06:53] ;) [06:53] I'm reinstalling the final Breezy of my laptop right now. Then the faimily PC will get the Breezy treatment tomorrow [06:53] i did my upgrade this morning [06:54] Muine no longer clears to the background with "ESC", and it doesn't appear in the notification area anymore... [06:56] you are missing muine-plugin-trayicon from universe is my guess [06:57] ah, OK, checking Synaptic now... [06:58] that works, thanks. why the heck did they split that out into a seperate package? [06:59] don't know. Don't use muine [07:00] wiki question: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserComments <-- this is odd, not to useful, and should probably have been a forum post. Should I nuke it? [07:02] yeah, I think it should go. [07:05] will do === rrowland_ [n=rrowland@adsl-068-016-117-074.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nickrud [n=aias@adsl-69-152-251-236.dsl.snantx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:25] Madpilot, the resticted format page really should be more explicit about disabling marillat, and explain why, I think [07:25] nickrud: it probably should... [07:25] do you want to edit it, or should I? [07:32] Madpilot, sorry, I missed that. Take a look, will you :) [07:36] is there a way to get the wiki to produce coloured text? red, for example? [07:36] no clue. I'm pretty much a newbie with wiki stuff. [07:37] I could do it in about 3 seconds with HTML/CSS, but wiki markup is such a kludge... [07:38] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MoinMoinMarkupExamples [07:38] robitaille: why isn't that page linked to from the HelpOnEditing page? [07:38] last item is about colours [07:39] we have a HelpOnEditing page? [07:39] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnEditing [07:39] I'm a bit out of the loop for the wiki... [07:39] it's immutable, though [07:39] it's moinmoin generic [07:39] robitaille: the colours thing only applied to table backgrounds, AFAIK [07:40] I know, but it's a start [07:40] hmmm [07:41] Blathering doesn't work, dammit... [07:42] http://harmonies.tzone.org/RPGLex/index.cgi/DiffParser has colors [07:44] don [07:44] 't know python well, either :) [07:44] nickrud: that's inside code blocks only, I think [07:44] blasted wiki engine makes doing simple markup way too complex sometimes [07:44] Madpilot, I saw that [07:49] bold is better than nothing, I guess [07:49] bold is about the only formatting option we've got... [07:50] is there a wiki channel? [07:51] ah, #moin === Madpilot [n=bburger@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nickrud [n=aias@adsl-69-152-251-236.dsl.snantx.swbell.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === sivang [n=sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === n1c0las [n=niklas@nicolas.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:09] morning [11:10] hi [11:28] jbailey, no luck with that Makefile? === Mez [n=Mez@cpc4-lich4-3-0-cust247.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@cpc4-lich4-3-0-cust247.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=bburger@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@cpc4-lich4-3-0-cust247.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === n1c0las [n=niklas@nicolas.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:30] is the css still an outstanding issue? [12:30] (with help.u.c) [12:33] yes [12:33] ok, I'll take a look then :) [12:33] cool [12:33] thanks [12:33] np [12:35] mdke, have you seen /build/gnome/faqguide.css? === Mez [n=Mez@cpc4-lich4-3-0-cust247.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@cpc4-lich4-3-0-cust247.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:51] rob^, yes [12:52] I might mess around with that [12:52] rob^, best to work on the css before it is generated [12:52] not the one in build [12:52] no good? [12:53] branches/breezy/generic/faqguide/faqguide.css [12:53] that's the right one i think [12:53] but the css issue is really the most minor right now [12:53] we could easily release with the current css [12:54] so its just the css, the make file and rev history? [12:55] is there any way to make html versions of the translations with the current make file? [12:55] I guess not [12:56] no that's the problem [12:57] I might have to have a think about how to tackle that one [12:58] we should be able to do it with some messing around.. [12:58] I'll have a look tomorrow [12:59] there are three problems with the Makefile right now [12:59] first it is generating three arch-specific versions of the faqguide [01:00] second it is not building translations [01:00] third, I would like it to build a one-page version as well as the multipage versions [01:00] plus, the revhistory thing [01:01] I think the second (and maybe the first to boot) solution is to change where the xsltproc is pointing [01:01] (the line) [01:01] possibly yeah [01:01] i will ask sean too [01:01] he'll know how to solve all 4 [01:01] heh yeah [01:04] I have an idea, I'll have a think about the best way to do it, if sean doesn't come up with something in the mean time I'll have a play tomorrow [01:04] cool === rob^ is off to play monopoly [01:06] have fun! [01:06] yay === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@201-26-76-37.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@cpc4-lich4-3-0-cust247.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === n1c0las [n=niklas@nicolas.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@201-26-76-37.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-doc ["http://mpt.net.nz/"] === bojicas [n=bojicas@217.164.241.13] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-55-245.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud [n=froud@ndn-165-143-41.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:34] ping mdke [05:41] hi froud [05:41] i'm just about to go to the supermarket tho [05:41] hi [05:41] just quick question [05:41] do you want three arches or not? [05:41] nope, cos they are all the same [05:41] at present nobody did profile markups to support it [05:41] OK [05:41] np [05:41] later [05:41] thanks matey [05:42] when are you merging to trunk? [05:42] the main thing is the translations tho [05:42] next week hopefully [05:42] Ok === mpt [n=mpt@201-26-76-37.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@info1-177.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-55-245.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-55-245.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === n1c0las is now known as n1c0las_eten === mpt [n=mpt@201-26-76-37.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-doc ["http://mpt.net.nz/"] [07:35] ping mdke [07:37] froud, yo, just got your email [07:37] thanks a lot dude [07:37] np, please test and let me know if it works for you [07:37] ok i will [07:37] that revhistory thing [07:37] note your build depends on the xsl [07:37] is that a later version of docbook than is in breezy? [07:38] not on ubuntu now [07:38] ah erm [07:38] pls check docbook-xsl with apt-cahche [07:39] Version: 1.68.1-0.1ubuntu1 [07:39] If not then you and team will have to bump breezy docbook-xsl ver [07:39] :/ [07:39] :-) [07:39] we can't do that! [07:39] breezy has been released already [07:39] well just you as team [07:40] hmm [07:40] is there no way to do that with an earlier version? [07:40] yeah, but why when I have it in newer version would I want to do that [07:41] break mdz's legs and it will get done? [07:41] can you tell me how? [07:41] i need to build the stuff on the linode server and it has Ubuntu [07:41] yes, but then I may aswell do it myself [07:41] true [07:41] just install the new version [07:42] I'd rather not play around with that unless I really have to [07:42] getting errors on the build btw [07:42] lots of this: [07:42] runtime error: file ../libs/faqguide-html-chunk-cust.xsl line 43 element call-template [07:42] xsl:call-template : template inline.boldseq not found [07:42] no result for ../generic/faqguide/C/faqguide.xml [07:43] did you svn up on breezy [07:43] YES [07:43] oops [07:43] sorry caps [07:43] Hmm sec [07:44] lines 40, 43 and 46 seem to be the problem [07:44] oops my bad sec [07:46] svn up [07:46] I forgot to replace the import paths with those on an ubuntu system [07:46] testing [07:46] thanks [07:46] i'd really appreciate the thing being compatible with Ubuntu re 1.68 [07:46] given that it's an ubuntu repo [07:47] Well it will not fail [07:47] it will just output as it does now [07:47] yeah [07:47] faq-DE is empty [07:47] so I have taken it out of the faq: [07:47] empty? [07:48] and C has XInclude errors [07:48] yeah i saw that [07:48] Yah DE is a blank file [07:48] oh yeah [07:48] i'll sort that [07:48] thanks [07:49] i thought we'd sorted that already [07:49] You will see in thr translations that the docbook localizations are automatically kickin in [07:49] best example look at HE [07:49] ah that is cool [07:50] because in yelp they are ltr rather than rtl [07:50] Just one of the advantage of Docbook Whahhaahha feel the power [07:50] yeah but still, yelp should do it automatically from the xml i reckon [07:50] The yelp concept is nice, but it is too broken for production at present, MHO [07:51] but I think you know my thoughts ... :-) [07:51] ok i'm going for dinner [07:51] yep [07:51] me to enjoy [07:51] thanks again [07:51] np === froud [n=froud@ndn-165-143-41.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] [07:52] jbailey, that Makefile stuff is done :) [08:18] shit we're gonna have to edit all the faqguide po's manually again === mdke swears at rosetta [08:24] here are some docs I wrote [08:24] http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jabra/breezy-docs.html [08:25] cool jabra [08:26] s/allocated/allocate [08:27] nice screenshots! [08:27] you could include instructions on how to do the partitioning via the installer I guess === kbry [n=kbry@62-43-11-200.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kbry [n=kbry@62-43-11-200.user.ono.com] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Abandonando"] [09:05] hey rob^ [09:05] the guide got a mention at http://linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2005101401026OPDT === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === n1c0las_eten is now known as n1c0las_slapen === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106001217da6aab.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ..[topic/#ubuntu-doc:Burglaptop] : Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Time to start thinking about Dapper | Projects on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects | SVN - https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos | Remember the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct first. [10:35] hey there burgs [10:35] hello === Burglaptop is thinking of Dapper [10:39] :) === mdke is thinking of breezy translations [10:40] but hey, you're the ideas man :) [10:40] if nobody dreams big, then we get nowhere [10:41] well actually i think that if we aim to do too much, we'll get nothing done, a bit like for Breezy [10:41] hmm [10:41] hmm [10:42] I think that was more lack of fully spec-ing everything out [10:42] if the faqguide had been better speced other could have worked on it earlier [10:42] and I kind of screwed the pooch with the quicktour [10:42] not sure dude [10:42] we have about 3 contributors right now [10:43] maybe 4 [10:43] yes [10:43] the issue was that we need to start specing in the next month [10:43] to start writing as soon after UBZ as possible [10:43] ok i agree with that [10:43] except the UBZ bit [10:44] you want to start writing earilier? [10:44] since only you are gonna be at UBZ, the specs will mostly have to be done in irc meetings/email [10:44] we can't do the specs at UBZ [10:44] yes, I mean specing before UBZ === mdke nods [10:44] we need a big fat meeting [10:44] ASAP [10:45] you want me to organize it? === Burglaptop notes that FF is a pile of crapoon 256mb of ram [10:45] heh [10:45] i would get jerome on it [10:45] but feel free [10:46] i would say, a short period of brainstorming/ideas, followed by gathering them together, followed by meeting [10:46] and we need to put to bed the UbuntuHelp/faqguide debate [10:47] that is going to be the most contentious issue [10:47] yes [10:48] but in my opinion, apart from the "design a new help interface", actually the contentiousness is basically a matter of calling the doc a different name, and making it more user friendly [10:48] yes [10:48] the two ideas are pretty reconcilable [10:48] the Breezy faqguide talks a lot about hwat you need to add, but nothing about what is already on the system [10:48] yes that is true [10:48] that is the basic distinction we've been making between faqguide and userguide [10:49] perhaps they should be in the same document [10:49] btw did you see the good mention of the guide at http://linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2005101401026OPDT [10:49] ? [10:50] I skimmed that and assumed he meant ubuntuguide.org (which seems to be down [10:50] i don't think so [10:51] hmm, is up again [10:51] "onboard documentation" [10:51] yes, I just read that === Mez [n=Mez@cpc4-lich4-3-0-cust247.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:52] mdke, what your goals for dapper? [10:54] ok, aboutubuntu for dapper needs some serious hacks === jjesse [n=trillian@69-87-142-136.async.iserv.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:55] hey jjesse [10:58] hiya Burglaptop [10:58] wow there was a lot to catch up on after a week being gone [10:58] how goes life in Kubuntu-land? [10:58] Burglaptop just got back from a week being !internet on vacation w/ wife [10:59] ah [10:59] Burglaptop, i don't really have any right now [10:59] better infrastructure in our repo i would say [11:00] maybe we could adopt the gnome-doc build system [11:00] ok [11:00] to be honest, translations and building docs are things I should care about but cannot seem to [11:01] Burglaptop: i agree w/ you right now I would rather get the docs done then build them [11:06] ok, just sent something to the list about About Ubuntu/browser start page for dapper [11:12] ok, I think I sent enough stuff to the list for now === mpt [n=mpt@201-26-76-37.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:20] salut mpt [11:47] Burglaptop, tbh, i don't think the browser start page is going to be much our decision [11:49] mdke, we can talk about it [11:49] true [11:49] even if it isn't ours, we can think about it and present what we think is the best idea [11:49] but there is not a lot of point if we come to decisions and then other decisions are made over the top of us [11:50] code speaks volumes [11:50] I intend to start hacking something together with my brother before UBZ [11:50] okay [11:50] but be aware that they will probably employ professionals to do it [11:51] they tried to for breezy already but too late [11:51] ya [11:51] but the professionals they hire could come and talk to us, you know [11:51] they could [11:51] mpt had designs on redesigning all of ubuntu.com [11:52] heh [11:52] redesigning? noooo [11:52] just minor improvements [11:52] like no longer playing hide-the-links [11:52] yes [11:53] and a much briefer front page [11:53] but that is really more a job for the marketing team [11:53] hmm [11:54] it is really more a job for canonical employees [11:54] yes [11:54] should we pass the quicktour off to the marketing team? [11:54] if they want it [11:55] it's a quite young team right? [11:55] it is a better fit for them [11:55] There's a marketing team?? [11:55] yes [11:55] mpt, yeah, see lp [11:55] apparatnly [11:55] lots of startup energy [11:56] I expect a lot of that to simply die [11:56] it's another one of these teams that springs up [11:56] like new user network [11:56] mdke, I think that we did well for this release [11:56] -doc? [11:56] it is usually after the first energy dies that things fail. Observe the nun [11:56] or ubuntu-artwork [11:56] yes [11:56] Burglaptop, the nun? [11:56] i think that jane and others at canonical have marketing well in hand tbh [11:57] the sun? [11:57] mpt, New User Network [11:57] mdke, you can never have enough marketing [11:57] yes, yes you can [11:57] yeah [11:57] bad marketing is counterproductive [11:58] yes, I should have clarified that [11:58] but Ubuntu has not yet hit that point, imo [11:58] For example, in Ubuntu's current state, TV advertisements declaring it as an alternative to Windows would be counterproductive [11:58] yes [11:59] ok i'm off [11:59] ciao [11:59] tchau [12:00] mpt, where do you want to go for dapper? [12:00] doc-wise, I mean [12:01] the HelpfulHelp direction, I think [12:01] and DefaultHomePage [12:01] lovely, launchpad usability complaints filed as a critical bug :) [12:02] mpt, you beaten bradb over the head for the new malone look yet? [12:03] Burglaptop, don't blame bradb or myself [12:03] We're operating under managerial constraints [12:03] I see [12:04] was that layout directed from above?