| LaserJock | ok, so I can fix bug #576 #2066 by exporting LANG=C or using "xset fp rehash". Do you think that this is a problem that we need to fix? | 12:03 |
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| james | anyone here know anything about the nvidia-legacy pakage? | 05:46 |
| james | my name is james, just installed breezy and have a bug with it | 05:47 |
| james | just don't know where to report it | 05:47 |
| james | lo? | 05:47 |
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| bddebian | http://launchpad.ubuntu.com File it on Malone please | 05:48 |
| James_Martinez | what is Malone? | 05:48 |
| bddebian | Just the name of the Bug-Tracker | 05:48 |
| James_Martinez | oh ok | 05:48 |
| James_Martinez | thanks | 05:48 |
| bddebian | NP | 05:48 |
| James_Martinez | maybe it isn't a bug, its just I updated from hoary to breezy, and the nvidia module wouldn't load, saying "device not found" | 05:50 |
| James_Martinez | I might have pu the wrong driver in my xorg.conf | 05:50 |
| James_Martinez | *put | 05:50 |
| James_Martinez | it was set to "nvidia" | 05:50 |
| James_Martinez | I'll just submit to Malone and see what happens. | 05:54 |
| James_Martinez | thanks again bddebian | 05:55 |
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| Kyral | someone remind me to add a "Bugs Squished" section to my Wiki page | 08:17 |
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| sivang | Morning all | 08:33 |
| zenrox | morn | 08:49 |
| zyga | morning | 08:51 |
| sivang | hey guys | 09:01 |
| sivang | nobody besides us alive here it seems | 09:01 |
| zenrox | nope | 09:22 |
| zyga | hmm :) | 09:44 |
| zyga | I've noticed an old bug that I've reported | 09:44 |
| zyga | and since it already contains a patch | 09:44 |
| zyga | anyone with cpu scaling support wants to test a one liner patch? | 09:44 |
| zyga | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/emifreq-applet/+bug/1883 | 09:44 |
| zyga | just get the source and apply that one liner | 09:45 |
| zyga | it's a panel applet so debugging is ackward at best | 09:45 |
| zyga | but it just works for me | 09:45 |
| ajmitch | hi | 09:48 |
| ajmitch | no dholbach around? | 09:48 |
| ajmitch | zyga: having your team named 'ruby' might be confusing | 09:49 |
| ajmitch | since launchpad is designed for upstream & multiple distros, not just ubuntu | 09:49 |
| zyga | hmm | 09:50 |
| zyga | dholbah suggested that name | 09:50 |
| === ajmitch ran into that problem with zope, where the upstream zope3 devs were registered on launchpad | ||
| ajmitch | I know | 09:50 |
| zyga | and after all | 09:50 |
| ajmitch | that's why I wanted to talk to him | 09:50 |
| zyga | launchpad is borked with regargs to ruby already | 09:50 |
| ajmitch | hmm | 09:50 |
| zyga | someone nicknamed ruby already polluted the namespace | 09:50 |
| ajmitch | you *do* have teamname set as moturuby | 09:50 |
| ajmitch | so that should be ok | 09:50 |
| zyga | yes | 09:51 |
| zyga | but someone with a nickname 'ruby' is far worse than moturuby | 09:51 |
| ajmitch | I'll just tell dholbach for future suggestions :) | 09:51 |
| ajmitch | sure | 09:51 |
| zyga | ok | 09:51 |
| siretart | morning | 09:51 |
| ajmitch | morning siretart | 09:51 |
| === ajmitch is relearning the meaning of pain | ||
| ajmitch | yay for dialup | 09:51 |
| ajmitch | oh man | 09:53 |
| ajmitch | just reading ubuntu-devel threads | 09:53 |
| siretart | ajmitch: whats up with you? | 09:54 |
| sivang | ajmitch: dude , are you on the road? | 09:54 |
| ajmitch | no, visiting parents | 09:55 |
| ajmitch | reading jdub's idea of maintaing UVF for main | 09:55 |
| ajmitch | I don't think he knows how much pain that would cause MOTUs | 09:55 |
| ajmitch | since a lot of universe stuff could not be synced | 09:55 |
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| sivang | ajmitch: the problem with the registered developser, is maybe the same problem of maintainer of the source pkgs being registered in launchpad as the package maintainers? | 09:56 |
| ajmitch | sivang: uh? | 09:56 |
| sivang | ajmitch: ah , yeah, notice Scott's comments :) | 09:57 |
| sivang | ajmitch: never mind, ENOCONTEXT | 09:57 |
| === ajmitch read the thread | ||
| === ajmitch catches up on the latest politics | ||
| sivang | hehe | 10:07 |
| ajmitch | it would have been nice if bzrtools 0.1.1 was released in time for breezy | 10:14 |
| StrikeForce | ajmitch, do you know if anyone is building freenx? | 10:15 |
| ajmitch | StrikeForce: yes, probably :) | 10:15 |
| ajmitch | there are debian people working on it | 10:15 |
| StrikeForce | I've seen it in other debian based distro but its not in sid yet | 10:16 |
| StrikeForce | looks really really really nice actually | 10:16 |
| sivang | ajmitch: Mithrandir would proably know? I know his been related to that | 10:16 |
| ajmitch | yes, Mithrandir has been working on related code as well | 10:16 |
| crimsun | John Nilsson raises an interesting point regarding the users who will want "new" versions of/and packages | 10:17 |
| ajmitch | sigh, got to disconnect | 10:25 |
| ajmitch | see you tomorrow :) | 10:25 |
| siretart | bye ajmitch! | 10:27 |
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| ivoks | mxrvt rulez :) | 11:27 |
| ivoks | mrxvt :) | 11:27 |
| crimsun | it's nice :-) | 11:31 |
| ivoks | quick and has tabs! :) | 11:31 |
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| elvirolo | hi all | 11:32 |
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| elvirolo | would it be possible to include a version of libtunepimp with mp3 support enabled in universe ? .... in order to have musicbrainz support for mp3's | 11:34 |
| crimsun | it's possible but not really high priority at this stage | 11:35 |
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| elvirolo | ok, but is it *planned* ? | 11:37 |
| crimsun | it is not planned | 11:37 |
| ivoks | elvirolo: nothing is planned :) | 11:37 |
| ivoks | elvirolo: if you provide patch for package, we will consider it | 11:37 |
| elvirolo | ah i see :) | 11:38 |
| elvirolo | well, i don't know how do to patches | 11:38 |
| elvirolo | do* | 11:38 |
| ivoks | eh | 11:38 |
| ivoks | elvirolo: then bug people to help you | 11:38 |
| elvirolo | but i can recompile libtunepimp correctly | 11:38 |
| ivoks | libtunepimp won't change in breezy | 11:39 |
| ivoks | maybe in dapper | 11:39 |
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| ivoks | elvirolo: requests/suggestions should be made before release, not after :) | 11:39 |
| elvirolo | well ... i suppose so | 11:39 |
| ivoks | anyway, i have to go... | 11:40 |
| elvirolo | but it's kind of obvious that people will need mp3 support for musicbrainz | 11:40 |
| ivoks | elvirolo: it is, but mp3 isn't free | 11:40 |
| elvirolo | yeah i know | 11:40 |
| ivoks | so you see... | 11:41 |
| elvirolo | that's why you could add a mp3 enabled version in universe | 11:41 |
| ivoks | if we enable support for mp3 in that lib | 11:41 |
| ivoks | elvirolo: on what mp3 lib does it depend? | 11:41 |
| elvirolo | libmad0 i think | 11:42 |
| crimsun | it'd be a NEW anyhow since the src is in main, and we'd have to have an override to punt that one binary package to universe | 11:42 |
| ivoks | you have to be sure :) | 11:42 |
| elvirolo | yeah i'm sure :) | 11:43 |
| crimsun | actually 2 packages, since there's a -dev | 11:43 |
| ivoks | lol | 11:43 |
| ivoks | tat lib is main :) | 11:43 |
| elvirolo | yeah | 11:43 |
| ivoks | i'm sure it won't get mp3 support... ever :) | 11:43 |
| ivoks | unless mp3 license holder changes license | 11:44 |
| ivoks | :) | 11:44 |
| elvirolo | i don't get it | 11:44 |
| elvirolo | mp3 can be enabled (since it was on my hoary box) | 11:44 |
| elvirolo | the only thing i did was recompiling libtunepimp | 11:45 |
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| elvirolo | http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:6_O3B8Ncu98J:www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php%3Ft%3D29370+musicbrainz+breezy&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8 | 11:46 |
| TMM | if we all head off to the mjpeggroup HQ armed with shotguns, you think they'll give ubuntu a non-revokable distribution license? :) | 11:46 |
| elvirolo | worth a try :) | 11:46 |
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| TMM | I'd say | 11:46 |
| TMM | if it works we'll pay apple a visit too, and have a small discussion on freetype2 hinting | 11:47 |
| TMM | how many ubuntu users do you think there are? :) | 11:48 |
| TMM | it would be a pretty neat army :P | 11:48 |
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| chx | hi. yakuake is horriby borken in Breezy. (at least with Kubuntu.) | 11:54 |
| chx | i apt-get installed, started and all keyboard input was lost | 11:54 |
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| \sh | siretart: I hope u don't snore ,-) | 12:02 |
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| Mez | \sh: you're in the same room as siretart? | 12:03 |
| \sh | Mez: yep | 12:03 |
| Mez | how do you know? | 12:03 |
| Mez | \sh: aka how did you find out? | 12:04 |
| \sh | Mez: claire send a mail out yesterday with the room list and the "this i don'T eat" list | 12:04 |
| Mez | oh, the odl file? | 12:04 |
| Mez | yeah | 12:04 |
| Mez | I cant seem to get that to open | 12:04 |
| \sh | Mez: the spreadsheet | 12:05 |
| Mez | yeah | 12:05 |
| Mez | OOo dont seem to work for me | 12:05 |
| \sh | .ods = openoffice 2 | 12:05 |
| \sh | or this i'm using :) | 12:05 |
| Mez | so where are the room lists? | 12:06 |
| Mez | nvm | 12:06 |
| siretart | woah great | 12:07 |
| \sh | on the 2. worksheet in this document | 12:07 |
| siretart | the spreadsheet had several sheet inside :) | 12:07 |
| siretart | \sh: my girlfriend does sleep beside me, so it shouldn't be that loud ;) | 12:07 |
| \sh | siretart: this is fantastic :) we will have a lot of fun :) | 12:08 |
| \sh | siretart: hahaha | 12:08 |
| siretart | muhahaha! :) | 12:08 |
| === Mez gets a user to share with | ||
| siretart | Mez: chances are that you get the room besides us :) | 12:08 |
| siretart | \sh: do you already have a power adapter for canada? | 12:09 |
| \sh | siretart: yepp. | 12:09 |
| siretart | \sh: I fail to find one on reichelt.de or conrad.de. can you give me some hints what do I exactly search for? | 12:09 |
| \sh | siretart: i bought two sets | 12:09 |
| siretart | cool! :) | 12:09 |
| \sh | siretart: I bought them from mediamarkt...9.99 EUR...I'll bringt the two sets with me...one for you | 12:09 |
| Mez | the guy wo I'm meant to be sharing with hasnt confirmed | 12:10 |
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| siretart | \sh: great! :) thank you, man! | 12:10 |
| \sh | siretart: np :) I'll have to make a list of things I promised to bring to ubz | 12:10 |
| \sh | "Under The Radar" from Robert F. Young for sivang | 12:11 |
| \sh | Dlink router for mvo | 12:11 |
| siretart | lol | 12:11 |
| \sh | red redhat fedora for fun | 12:11 |
| \sh | ms tshirt for annoying people | 12:11 |
| \sh | trolltech shirt for ogra | 12:11 |
| \sh | 2/3 six pack tin-beer to share ;) | 12:12 |
| \sh | and last but not least a lot of humanity and fun :) | 12:12 |
| Mez | and beer | 12:13 |
| \sh | 12:12 < \sh> 2/3 six pack tin-beer to share ;) | 12:13 |
| \sh | the / == or | 12:13 |
| === Mez yawns | ||
| Mez | do any of you people smoke? | 12:13 |
| === Mez wondres why I've been put in a room with someone who like... isnt confirmed | ||
| \sh | Mez: smoke as in tobacco or smoke as in weed? | 12:14 |
| Mez | I meant tobacco | 12:15 |
| \sh | well...I smoke and ogra as well...but cigarettes are bought at the famous duty free shop at the airport | 12:16 |
| Mez | yes I know :D | 12:16 |
| Mez | was just wondering in case I was the only one | 12:16 |
| \sh | or tobacco....i have to have a look what they have | 12:16 |
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| === Mez yawns | ||
| Mez | well it should be cool if the guy turns up | 12:17 |
| Mez | he's a GNOME-ite | 12:17 |
| Mez | so ... well... I'm a kde-ite :D | 12:17 |
| Mez | hehe | 12:17 |
| Mez | lots of late night arguments | 12:17 |
| === siretart doesn't smoke atm | ||
| Mez | :D | 12:17 |
| siretart | I didn't smoke for 2 or 3 years now, I think.. | 12:17 |
| \sh | actually there will be only non-smokers rooms at holiday inn...or i think they booked only non-smokers room | 12:19 |
| Mez | so, the meeting outside for a snaky fag eg | 12:19 |
| Mez | hmm | 12:20 |
| Mez | I'm slightly worried | 12:20 |
| \sh | well...the wonderfull meetings at the hotel bar for a smoke and a after midnight drink | 12:20 |
| Mez | the gfuy I'm sharing with has an alter ego called "alison" | 12:20 |
| \sh | Mez: so what? | 12:20 |
| Mez | lol: nothing - just a bit... different | 12:21 |
| \sh | well..I hope montreal has a nice gay scene ... so I can report to my friend that he missed a better place then cologne ,-) | 12:22 |
| Mez | lol | 12:23 |
| \sh | hmmm.. | 12:28 |
| \sh | my voice sounds like I was smoking too much last night and as I drank a lot of hard stuff...it was a good evening | 12:29 |
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| siretart | \sh: a minute? | 01:15 |
| \sh | siretart: sure | 01:16 |
| siretart | \sh: if you have time, could you please have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NonpersistantUsers and tell me your opinion? | 01:17 |
| siretart | sivang: You submitted SetupSnapshots, right? | 01:18 |
| sivang | siretart: yep, and by sabdfl's advice I'm breaking it to moree small manageable chunks that could be spec'd independently to combine the resulting product. | 01:20 |
| \sh | siretart: sounds like a great idea :) | 01:20 |
| siretart | sivang: could you also look at NonpersitantUsers? I think we have some convergence | 01:20 |
| siretart | \sh: I've already implemented this for a internet cafe, but quite hackish and with some limitations | 01:21 |
| siretart | this Spec would be a sane rewrite for this, plus I have a production system to test this ;) | 01:21 |
| \sh | siretart: rock :) | 01:21 |
| siretart | sivang: which other parts are part of SetupSnapshots? and when did you talk to sabdfl? | 01:22 |
| TMM | siretart, if I might add my 2cts, I don't think this need gdm integration, but pam integration | 01:23 |
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| siretart | TMM: I've also thought about pam integration | 01:23 |
| TMM | siretart, you could implement this pretty much 100% with pam script | 01:23 |
| siretart | TMM: the biggest problem is that there is no sane interface to the pam configuration | 01:24 |
| TMM | siretart, if you combine it with pam_mkhomedir or something :) | 01:24 |
| sivang | siretart: nice spec :) | 01:24 |
| sivang | siretart: I think it's in place for out of the box library installations, caffe and public access poiunts | 01:24 |
| sivang | siretart: some time go, why? | 01:24 |
| TMM | siretart, well, funny you should say that, because I am working on a spec for central authentication support, which would require a frontend for pam anyway | 01:24 |
| siretart | TMM: lets work together about this, because this would be one of my other specs for dapper! | 01:25 |
| siretart | sivang: just curious | 01:25 |
| sivang | siretart: :) | 01:25 |
| === zyga hacked something similar a few weeks ago for web terminals | ||
| TMM | siretart, shall I fist finish my spec for the central auth, en then collaborate on the front-end part of it? | 01:25 |
| zyga | but 1) I don't know any pam stuff :) | 01:25 |
| zyga | 2) It's totally a hack | 01:26 |
| zyga | 3) it bypasses gdm | 01:26 |
| siretart | TMM: will you be at UBZ? | 01:26 |
| TMM | siretart, no | 01:26 |
| zyga | 4) only one profile to choose from | 01:26 |
| TMM | siretart, it's a bit too far away :) | 01:26 |
| siretart | ;) - sure | 01:26 |
| TMM | and I don't have $1500 laying about :P | 01:26 |
| siretart | TMM: do you already have a BOF page for your central auth spec? | 01:27 |
| TMM | BOF? | 01:27 |
| sivang | TMM: Birds Of Feather | 01:27 |
| siretart | I'm really interested in making this possible for dapper | 01:27 |
| TMM | I'm writing it up in gedit at tme moment anyway, I was told to use the spec template on the wiki | 01:27 |
| TMM | then I was supposed to point sabdfl to it | 01:28 |
| siretart | TMM: please ping me of you have uploaded your gedit notes to the wiki | 01:28 |
| zyga | siretart: I could help you with this | 01:28 |
| TMM | siretart, I will, I'll finish them as soon as this bloody DVD is done | 01:28 |
| siretart | I currently maintain 2 debian/ubuntu installations with central slapds as auth server | 01:28 |
| TMM | siretart, so far I've burned 3 coasters, this is becoming a bit expensive | 01:28 |
| siretart | and want to have this out of the box, because I'm already getting tired of setting them up again and again ;) | 01:28 |
| siretart | zyga: great! :) | 01:29 |
| TMM | siretart, I've got a couple of plans for dapper as well :) | 01:29 |
| zyga | siretart: I'm still reading setup snapshots | 01:29 |
| siretart | you all guys know, this was already an spec/idea/targeted for breezy. lets get it done for dapper! | 01:29 |
| === zyga really thinks that config diffs might not be realistic | ||
| zyga | users ~ and installed (as well as not installed) packages are easy and doable | 01:30 |
| zyga | but configuration varies from /etc to /var and is too tricky to do automatically | 01:30 |
| zyga | OTOH | 01:30 |
| siretart | why config diffs, lets hold them in bzr repos | 01:30 |
| zyga | ubuntu could provide an image snapshot installer | 01:31 |
| siretart | zyga: so you want spec ImageSnapshotInstaller? ;) | 01:31 |
| zyga | something like 1) make partition 2) unpack tarball over network 3) done | 01:31 |
| zyga | I need both actually | 01:31 |
| zyga | they are a separate issue IMHO | 01:31 |
| siretart | I have also another spec, which touches your request, still to be drafted | 01:32 |
| zyga | but I do see UserSetupSnapshots + ImageSnapshotInstaller to be really usefull in web caffes | 01:32 |
| siretart | but it doesn't use images, but preeseeded d-i | 01:32 |
| zyga | that's far worse performance wise | 01:32 |
| zyga | the only concern are ssh private keys | 01:33 |
| zyga | they shouldn't be just copied obviously | 01:33 |
| siretart | you get this with cfengine | 01:33 |
| zyga | what's that? | 01:33 |
| tseng | its evil | 01:33 |
| zyga | :-) | 01:33 |
| tseng | terribly complicated | 01:33 |
| zyga | tseng: what is evil? | 01:33 |
| tseng | cfengine | 01:33 |
| zyga | I still gooogle what that is | 01:33 |
| tseng | configuration engine | 01:34 |
| zyga | hmm | 01:34 |
| zyga | I still think that unpacking a tarball with -p over the network is usefull | 01:34 |
| zyga | it's like cloning but you get to choose your fs | 01:34 |
| siretart | tseng: well, it is intimidating at first, but if you understand how to use it, it is a very very powerful tool for clusters | 01:35 |
| tseng | i have a "cluster" | 01:36 |
| tseng | but no time to fight with strange tools | 01:36 |
| === zyga has a cluster at univ but it's so crappy management wise ... | ||
| zyga | besides - a cluster of suns alphas and old pc's is hardly an useful cluster ;-) | 01:37 |
| zyga | what besides ssh keys shouldn't be just copied when cloning? | 01:39 |
| zyga | hostname | 01:39 |
| siretart | how do you update your clones? | 01:40 |
| siretart | nono, I prefer my cfengine setups :) | 01:40 |
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| \sh | prost guys | 01:41 |
| \sh | breakfast | 01:41 |
| TMM | cfengine... o dear god | 01:42 |
| TMM | that is horrible | 01:42 |
| tseng | exactly. | 01:42 |
| siretart | what alternatives do you use? | 01:42 |
| TMM | homebrew apt- wrappers | 01:42 |
| tseng | i was planning on writing my own as well | 01:43 |
| TMM | plus a little python script to look up package names from ldap | 01:43 |
| tseng | with expect | 01:43 |
| siretart | hm | 01:43 |
| siretart | and fiddling with /etc/pam.d/* using scp? | 01:43 |
| TMM | I should write a proposal for something like that as well :) | 01:43 |
| TMM | siretart, wget actually :) | 01:43 |
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| siretart | omg | 01:43 |
| siretart | TMM: please spec this. but the authserver first, I need that anyway ;) | 01:44 |
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| zyga | siretart: could you repeat what you've said | 01:44 |
| TMM | brb | 01:45 |
| sivang | zyga: just not caught on your comments re: setupsnapshots | 01:47 |
| sivang | zyga: why wouldn't they be realistic? (conffile diffs) | 01:47 |
| zyga | sivang: I fear that diffing whole /etc is just not enough | 01:47 |
| zyga | sivang: if we want to diff both /etc and /var then we get lots of junk too | 01:47 |
| zyga | sivang: example /var/named/zone | 01:48 |
| sivang | zyga: why does it store it's zone confs over /var ? :-) (excuse the ignorance) | 01:48 |
| zyga | sivang: ask bind | 01:49 |
| zyga | sivang: and stuff like deborphan keeps 'config' or 'state' files in /var too | 01:50 |
| zyga | I think that generally lots of stuff may be keeping something wortch having in /var | 01:50 |
| sivang | zyga: I am planninig to start small acutally, already providing the PSS, and basic ~ , bookmarks and gconf stuff should be easy, from there build up. | 01:50 |
| sivang | zyga: we can always rank conffile by importance, and store those diffs at first, then ask user "This are addtiive and appears to be non important. Would you like to store/ignore/whatever" .. | 01:51 |
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| === siretart manages bind zones in /etc/named | ||
| zyga_ | darn, sorry my modem is really dying now | 01:52 |
| zyga_ | siretart: what was the last message that has arrived? | 01:52 |
| sivang | zyga: I'll replay for you: | 01:53 |
| sivang | 13:50 < sivang> zyga: I am planninig to start small acutally, already providing the PSS, and basic ~ , bookmarks and gconf | 01:53 |
| siretart | he's gone | 01:53 |
| sivang | stuff should be easy, from there build up. | 01:53 |
| sivang | 13:51 < sivang> zyga: we can always rank conffile by importance, and store those diffs at first, then ask user "This are | 01:53 |
| sivang | addtiive and appears to be non important. Would you like to store/ignore/whatever" .. | 01:53 |
| zyga | hmm | 01:54 |
| zyga | starting small is a good idea | 01:54 |
| zyga | gconf is diffable allright | 01:54 |
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| siretart | zyga: http://siretart.tauware.de/log is the log of today | 01:55 |
| === zyga has checked that bind doesn't store configs in /var/named on ubuntu | ||
| zyga | slackware does, darn | 01:55 |
| sivang | hehe | 01:55 |
| === sivang removes one apps from the "breakage" list | ||
| zyga | just to paste stuff that's missing in the log | 01:56 |
| zyga | zyga but at the same time majority of stuff in var is useless for diff | 01:56 |
| zyga | zyga all the caches and such | 01:56 |
| Yagisan | cool - amule is now dumping backtraces after installing Japanese input support | 01:57 |
| Yagisan | it seems to hate /usr/lib/libuim.so.0 | 01:59 |
| TMM | siretart, you like the wget idea?? | 02:01 |
| === TMM 's PC is sloooow.... | ||
| TMM | encoding a bunch of video while working sucks ass | 02:01 |
| === TMM needs a cluster | ||
| siretart | TMM: wget is a tool to transfer files over http (or other method) | 02:02 |
| TMM | siretart, I am fully aware of that | 02:03 |
| siretart | TMM: you still need some infrastructure to manage your configs, espc when you have different target hardware and/or installation | 02:03 |
| TMM | siretart, you also don't have to muck about with host keys for all your workstations :) | 02:03 |
| siretart | TMM: so your wget idea does not match all my expectations. it will work in simple setups, but breaks when things get more complicated | 02:03 |
| TMM | siretart, you simply need a lot of self-configurability of the desktop os | 02:04 |
| TMM | such as ubuntu :) | 02:04 |
| siretart | TMM: 'simply' is an awfull word ;) | 02:04 |
| TMM | I don't want to worry about hardware, I've got ubuntu to do that for me | 02:04 |
| zyga | TMM: you can get cheap pc everywhere :) | 02:04 |
| TMM | ubuntu'll 'just work' on most of them | 02:04 |
| siretart | TMM: I see your point, but in real world installations, it is not always easy as that | 02:05 |
| tseng | sbackup is cool | 02:05 |
| TMM | siretart, as long as the system boots, and gets network it can work. the system will automagically look itself up in the central ldap server (by its mac address) and finds a list of packages there, that it will then apt-get install | 02:06 |
| Lathiat | sbackup? | 02:06 |
| TMM | siretart, you can do all your special things in there | 02:06 |
| tseng | "This is a user friendly backup solution for common desktop needs. The project was was sponsored by Google during Google Summer of Code 2005 and mentored by Ubuntu." | 02:06 |
| TMM | siretart, I've implemented this in 3 companies, one of them runs 200 workstations, all ubuntu | 02:06 |
| TMM | siretart, it works, you just need a local apt mirror and a slightly modified install image | 02:07 |
| TMM | siretart, you push all the specific changes through deb's :) | 02:07 |
| zyga | Lathiat: hi | 02:07 |
| zyga | Lathiat: did you get notification about MOTURuby | 02:08 |
| Lathiat | zyga: yes | 02:08 |
| Lathiat | i'll be looking at that stuff this week | 02:08 |
| Lathiat | just busy with uni atm | 02:08 |
| TMM | siretart, KISS :D | 02:08 |
| zyga | Lathiat: I was trying to get a pool for voting on a team leader but the pool system died :) | 02:08 |
| Lathiat | haha | 02:08 |
| tseng | poll | 02:08 |
| Lathiat | oh crap | 02:08 |
| zyga | ah | 02:08 |
| Lathiat | can we still vote for mjg59? | 02:08 |
| zyga | true :) | 02:08 |
| Yagisan | ok - japanese input breaks amule posted here https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/amule/+bug/3187 | 02:09 |
| zyga | Lathiat: is mjg59 a part of m-ruby? | 02:09 |
| Lathiat | zyga: nono | 02:09 |
| Lathiat | he was being proposed for the technical board | 02:09 |
| Lathiat | zyga: who needs a leader anyway | 02:10 |
| siretart | hm. I see we need a ConfigurationInfrastructure | 02:10 |
| \sh | guys....please do me all favour :) | 02:11 |
| siretart | ConfigurationInfrastructure shall setup LDAP Authentication and handle software updates.. hmm | 02:11 |
| siretart | \sh: ? | 02:11 |
| \sh | relax :) we need you all relaxed and refreshed for dapper ;) | 02:11 |
| siretart | ah. sure :) | 02:11 |
| === \sh is refusing to do anything which smells like work ;) | ||
| zyga | \sh: too bad coding smells like fun | 02:12 |
| TMM | siretart, LDAP is only part of it really | 02:13 |
| siretart | TMM: yeah | 02:14 |
| \sh | zyga: well...ogra is testing amd64 edubuntu dvd now...and I'm heaving breakfast, means I'm drinking a beer ;) so ... actually this is what I call relaxing | 02:14 |
| TMM | siretart, we need SMB auth also, at least | 02:14 |
| TMM | siretart, and a way to switch authentication methods through GDM | 02:14 |
| === zyga needs to fetch edubuntu soon | ||
| === zyga thinks about selling support + installation for ltsp | ||
| siretart | TMM: I think I understand what you intend | 02:15 |
| Yagisan | zyga - how about giving me a hand in getting multi-client-arch working for ltsp | 02:16 |
| siretart | TMM: but for this, you'll need a quite sophisticated AuthenticationInfrastructure spec | 02:16 |
| TMM | zyga, I've had a crazy idea | 02:16 |
| TMM | siretart, which is what I am working on, I need to stop talking and continue writing soon | 02:16 |
| zyga | Yagisan: outline the issue | 02:16 |
| siretart | TMM: where you can define authentication methods and use a well defined interface to pam | 02:16 |
| Yagisan | zyga: First patch is here http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17297 | 02:16 |
| siretart | TMM: ok, I won't disturb you any longer ;) | 02:16 |
| TMM | siretart, AND It'll give me a change to horribly break dapper if I get upload permissions of my ideas :) | 02:17 |
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| TMM | siretart, like the big debian sid pam outage of 3 years back | 02:17 |
| Yagisan | zyga - but qemu isn't playing nice, so I am having trouble building ppc clients on i386/amd64 | 02:17 |
| TMM | that sucked :) | 02:17 |
| TMM | zyga, I have been thinking about thin clients a lot, and processing power being what it is, and network speeds being what it is... why not combine ltsp with mosix? | 02:18 |
| Yagisan | TMM: It's been done - but openmosix for 2.6.x is a bit behind | 02:18 |
| TMM | zyga, if you migrate to a thin-client network today, your workstations will be so idiotiaclly overpowererd for the job, they might as well chip in | 02:18 |
| zyga | Yagisan: ENOPPC but I'm still reading | 02:18 |
| TMM | Yagisan, it has been? :) cool... I knew I couldn't have been the only one that thought about all that processing power going to waste | 02:19 |
| === zyga knows nothing about mosix | ||
| Yagisan | TMM: I built it with 2.4.x, 2.6.x is only in sf.net cvs | 02:19 |
| Yagisan | zyga: I used binfmt-misc to register ppc binaries to be run by qemu-ppc on i386/amd64 - but qemu bombs out trying to run bash | 02:20 |
| TMM | siretart, shall I put you in as 'interested' in my authentication spec? | 02:20 |
| zyga | Yagisan, TMM: I'll be back in 20 minutes | 02:21 |
| Yagisan | TMM: 2.6.x also needs updated openmosix tools, iirc | 02:21 |
| TMM | cool :) | 02:21 |
| zyga | my dog looks like he could use a walk | 02:21 |
| siretart | TMM: let me see it first, I'll add my name in your spec, then | 02:21 |
| Yagisan | zyga - no worries - I'll be leaving for dinner soon | 02:21 |
| sivang | TMM: you've implemented user backup tool? | 02:21 |
| TMM | I never actually did it | 02:21 |
| TMM | with openmosix | 02:21 |
| === zyga doubts the need of multiarch in real life though | ||
| TMM | but I REALLY wanted when I had 200 ubuntu systems at the tip of my fingers :) too bad it was a production environment :) | 02:22 |
| zyga | when working P2 350 are sold for 10$ who needs to support anything else :) | 02:22 |
| zyga | okay | 02:22 |
| zyga | bbl | 02:22 |
| Yagisan | zyga - I NEED multi-client-arch | 02:22 |
| sivang | TMM: just trying to figure if my spec is obsolete | 02:22 |
| sivang | :) | 02:22 |
| Yagisan | zyga - I got enough working for my needs, I just want to enhance it further | 02:23 |
| TMM | sivang, nothing is 'obsolete' I do not carry *any* weight here :) | 02:24 |
| Yagisan | TMM: I did a 15 pc openmosix cluster - I used it for converting cd's to .oggs - took about 2 minutes a cd (300Mhz-1.6Ghz boxes) | 02:24 |
| TMM | sivang, I don't have access to anything but the wiki and a bunch of ideas and experience :) | 02:24 |
| TMM | Yagisan, nifty!!!! :) | 02:24 |
| TMM | Yagisan, I do have an distcc server running on all the systems here, but that's as far as I want to go for now | 02:25 |
| TMM | Yagisan, people use these things for other tasks as well :) | 02:25 |
| siretart | who is HeinPietervanbraam? | 02:25 |
| TMM | that's me | 02:25 |
| Yagisan | TMM: pity they weren't my machines :( but I got a good mark for networking practical | 02:25 |
| siretart | TMM: aah, you are specing ConfigurationInfrastructure. I just wanted to create such a spec ;) | 02:25 |
| TMM | siretart, no, I am not... | 02:26 |
| Yagisan | TMM: when local apps are working in ltsp - I'm sticking distcc on all my clients | 02:26 |
| TMM | siretart, I think something screwed up, I only visited that page | 02:26 |
| TMM | siretart, because you suggested it :) | 02:26 |
| TMM | I'm specing AuthenticationInfrastructure | 02:26 |
| siretart | great! | 02:27 |
| TMM | siretart, its saying here that it's an empty page | 02:27 |
| TMM | siretart, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ConfigurationInfrastructure | 02:27 |
| siretart | TMM: you didn't press 'cancel' so you retained your lock | 02:27 |
| siretart | no problem. | 02:28 |
| TMM | siretart, sorry | 02:28 |
| TMM | siretart, it should be gone now | 02:28 |
| siretart | okay | 02:28 |
| \sh | hah | 02:31 |
| \sh | I'm insane | 02:31 |
| \sh | drinking beer as breakfast replacement.... | 02:33 |
| \sh | EDUBUNTU RUNS! | 02:35 |
| \sh | from DVD | 02:35 |
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| herve | hello | 02:45 |
| zyga | re | 02:46 |
| zyga | Yagisan: reading againg | 02:47 |
| zyga | s/g$/g/ | 02:47 |
| zyga | Yagisan: what is the configuration you are running? | 02:47 |
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| zyga | Yagisan: non-i386 + i386 or other way around? | 02:48 |
| TMM | I like the 'use case' part :) | 02:48 |
| thierry_ | I got some problem with libofx2 package... | 02:48 |
| thierry_ | E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libofx2_1%3a0.8.0-3ubuntu8_i386.deb: tried to replace /usr/share/libofx/dtd/opensp.dcl, who is also owned by libofx0c102 | 02:50 |
| thierry_ | sorry for the poor english, I just did a fast translation | 02:50 |
| siretart | muhaha | 02:55 |
| siretart | we will have a lot of fun the next months! :) | 02:55 |
| siretart | first draft of ConfigurationInfrastructure specced | 02:56 |
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| === zyga is doing an interesting experiment | ||
| zyga | diff of hoary + breezy final upgrade from CD diffed against clean breezy install | 02:57 |
| sivang | zyga: how do you do that ? | 03:00 |
| siretart | TMM: have you seen this one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkAuthentication ? | 03:01 |
| TMM | siretart, crud, that looks rather similar to mine | 03:03 |
| zyga | sivang: install hoary, instert breezy cd, upgrade, boot knoppix, create tarball and sent it somewhere, install breezy, boot knoppix, create tarball and send it somewhere, extract both tarballs, diff -u | 03:03 |
| zyga | s/sent/send/ | 03:04 |
| TMM | siretart, but lacks some things I also need, I should probably add that | 03:04 |
| siretart | TMM: I'd say finish drafting your spec, and then lets compare the two drafts | 03:04 |
| siretart | we can merge then later anyway | 03:04 |
| siretart | I think this NetworkAuthentication spec is way too vague and covers way too much | 03:05 |
| TMM | most of the specs are a bit wrong though | 03:05 |
| zyga | sivang: I didn't use the box so there should be little crap in /home - I think it's a good idea | 03:06 |
| TMM | for instance, you really don't want seperate network filesystems for your *nix boxes and your win32 boxes, just use cifs for everything | 03:06 |
| TMM | nfs isn't capable anyway | 03:06 |
| sivang | zyga: ah, you doing releases diffs | 03:06 |
| siretart | TMM: I wouldn't want to have my home on cifs | 03:07 |
| zyga | sivang: what did you think I was doing? | 03:07 |
| sivang | zyga: sorry, I was confused with some backlog I was reading at the same time | 03:07 |
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| TMM | siretart, that actually works pretty good | 03:07 |
| sivang | zyga: thinking of incremental upgrades maybe? would be nice of we got that one there..would save lots of badnwidth and time for upgrades | 03:08 |
| TMM | siretart, would you rather have a homedir that everyone that knows your UID can read and write to? | 03:08 |
| Yagisan | zyga: back again | 03:08 |
| zyga | Yagisan: re | 03:08 |
| TMM | siretart, token based nfs authentication still is not implemented, it is being worked on, it was slated for inclusion in 2.6.10, but that never happened | 03:08 |
| siretart | TMM: does cifs support symlinks? hardlinks? sockets? | 03:08 |
| Yagisan | zyga: I've already deployed amd64 server + i386 clients | 03:09 |
| TMM | siretart, it does, hp and samba drafted posix extensions that work with samba | 03:09 |
| zyga | Yagisan: I need to try edubuntu soon | 03:09 |
| zyga | Yagisan: I've got two extra boxes here to play with | 03:09 |
| TMM | siretart, and, if you install unix services for windows win2k+ can do it too | 03:09 |
| Yagisan | zyga: I am doing the patches for edubuntu | 03:09 |
| siretart | TMM: sounds interesting. lets have a closer look at it and write a usable spec | 03:10 |
| Yagisan | zyga: Schools have a mix of different boxes | 03:10 |
| TMM | siretart, I'm trying to :) | 03:10 |
| TMM | nfs really is a no-go for now | 03:10 |
| siretart | TMM: quit from irc and come back when finished *g* | 03:10 |
| TMM | nfsv4 has the potential, but not the implementation | 03:10 |
| siretart | up to now, I only used nfsv3, with all limitations | 03:11 |
| sivang | zyga: I wonder if we'll get anything on the incremental upgrades thingy, you talking about diffing breezy vs. hoary reminded me of that | 03:11 |
| siretart | but what you say makes cifs interesting | 03:11 |
| TMM | siretart, limitations in one thing, it is just incredibly insecure | 03:11 |
| siretart | cifs would mean to fiddle around with samba, and this scares me a bit ;) | 03:11 |
| TMM | siretart, if you root a box that is connected to the network, and that can mount it, you can access all info, and destroy everything | 03:11 |
| Yagisan | zyga: I planned to use qemu for building ppc clients on i386 or amd64 servers, and i386 clients on ppc servers | 03:11 |
| zyga | sivang: delta updates are already deployed in mandrivia, no? | 03:11 |
| sivang | zyga: don;t know | 03:12 |
| siretart | TMM: and with cifs? I can still su to the users and access his home, true? | 03:12 |
| Yagisan | zyga: but it seems qemu isn't up to the task of ppc on i386/amd64 | 03:12 |
| TMM | siretart, only from the box he logged into, and only while he is logged in | 03:12 |
| zyga | Yagisan: no, it isn't :/ | 03:12 |
| Yagisan | zyga: and I lack ppc hardware to test i386 on ppc | 03:12 |
| siretart | TMM: sounds great | 03:12 |
| TMM | siretart, if you root a box that has a mount to a share, then obviously you own that share, but only for the user that has logged into it | 03:12 |
| TMM | siretart, with nfs you could just write a small script that rotates your uid/gid and try rm -rf * on ech export for each uid | 03:13 |
| Yagisan | zyga: You can see from my patch that I cover all "trivial" combinations though | 03:13 |
| TMM | siretart, that would actually result in an emty server | 03:13 |
| zyga | Yagisan: yes quite impressive :) | 03:13 |
| zyga | Yagisan: small but usable | 03:13 |
| Yagisan | zyga: yep - It's amazing what you can do when your livelihood depends on it | 03:14 |
| zyga | hehe | 03:14 |
| === zyga never managed to do a small patch that fixes major bugs | ||
| Yagisan | zyga: other then qemu - is there any other way we could get say ppc on i386/amd64 ? | 03:15 |
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| zyga | Yagisan: there is peach or something like that | 03:16 |
| zyga | Yagisan: FOSS ppc emulator | 03:16 |
| zyga | pearpc | 03:16 |
| zyga | sorry ;] | 03:16 |
| Yagisan | zyga: ah - pearpc - full system - chokes on 2.6.x kernels | 03:16 |
| Yagisan | zyga: Individual binaries are what's needed | 03:16 |
| Yagisan | zyga : or - complete manual unpack and configure, using the native tools :( | 03:17 |
| === zyga needs to know how lstp works | ||
| zyga | it's a netboot + / over nfs? | 03:19 |
| Yagisan | zyga: yes | 03:20 |
| Yagisan | zyga: needs pxe - or etherboot with pxe emulation built in | 03:20 |
| zyga | Yagisan: so unless I'm mistaken: different / for every arch | 03:20 |
| zyga | then what? | 03:20 |
| Yagisan | zyga : that's right, different root for each arch, client boots, establishes a ssh session to the server | 03:21 |
| Yagisan | zyga: and runs etherything on the server | 03:21 |
| zyga | Yagisan: ahhh | 03:21 |
| Yagisan | s/etherything/everything | 03:21 |
| zyga | Yagisan: /me though clients use their own CPU for running stuff | 03:21 |
| zyga | cool | 03:22 |
| zyga | so it's a real thin client, only X is running on the client | 03:22 |
| zyga | well... | 03:22 |
| zyga | I'd say it's difficult/inpractical to run ppc over i386 | 03:22 |
| Yagisan | zyga: I needed multiclinet-arch as I have 1 amd64 + 2 p2 < 300Mhz | 03:22 |
| zyga | speed will suck | 03:22 |
| Yagisan | zyga: it's only needed to run ppc code during unpack and setup of the chroot | 03:23 |
| zyga | Yagisan: well for amd64 you could just run a chroot probably, right? | 03:23 |
| zyga | Yagisan: ah | 03:23 |
| zyga | Yagisan: wait | 03:23 |
| zyga | so a ppc client powers up | 03:23 |
| zyga | it fetches boot code via pxe or something like that | 03:24 |
| zyga | then what? | 03:24 |
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| Yagisan | zyga: loads the ppc kernel other the network | 03:25 |
| Yagisan | zyga: 8over | 03:26 |
| zyga | right | 03:26 |
| zyga | and then | 03:26 |
| zyga | ? | 03:26 |
| Yagisan | zyga: loads a ssh session to the server, then starts a local xserver to display the apps | 03:26 |
| zyga | hmm | 03:27 |
| zyga | so when do you need to run ppc on the server? I'm still not getting this | 03:27 |
| Yagisan | zyga: I need to run ppc on the server when I build the ppc chroot that will contain the ppc kernel and xserver | 03:28 |
| zyga | ahh | 03:28 |
| zyga | Yagisan: can't you just pull precompiled stuff? | 03:28 |
| Yagisan | zyga: that is the only time (apart from upgrades) that I need it | 03:28 |
| TMM | do the values between @'s automatically get expanded in the wiki? | 03:29 |
| zyga | Yagisan: or use one of the clients to act as a support box when doing that? | 03:29 |
| Yagisan | zyga: it's a chicken and egg - how can the client help if the client can't boot | 03:30 |
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| zyga | Yagisan: boot a live cd on the client, use the client to do anything you need | 03:30 |
| zyga | it's a one-time operation | 03:31 |
| Yagisan | zyga: that doesn't scale to other arches, and requires manual intervention :( | 03:33 |
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| zyga | Yagisan: true | 03:33 |
| zyga | Yagisan: is the chroot build automatic? | 03:33 |
| zyga | Yagisan: it sure scales to other arches - you just need a livecd for every arch you've got | 03:34 |
| Yagisan | zyga: yes - works similar to building a pbuilder chroot | 03:34 |
| zyga | Yagisan: then it could be automatic | 03:34 |
| Yagisan | zyga: not all arches can boot from cd | 03:34 |
| zyga | Yagisan: you are trying to get too much, my toster cannot boot linux - I don't care | 03:34 |
| zyga | s/toster/toaster/ | 03:34 |
| Yagisan | zyga: I'm only interested in what what ubuntu supports - they are getting sparc and ia64 and hppa going | 03:35 |
| Yagisan | zyga: and your toaster should run netBSD | 03:35 |
| Yagisan | :) | 03:35 |
| zyga | Yagisan: hehe :> | 03:36 |
| TMM | siretart, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AuthenticationInfrastructure | 03:37 |
| TMM | siretart, it's not everything I wanted to put in, but it's a start | 03:37 |
| Yagisan | zyga: what arches can you test ? | 03:38 |
| zyga | Yagisan: ubuntu will officially support ia64 and sparc? | 03:41 |
| === zyga always wanted a sparc station but they either cost more than 10$ (while being worth 5) or are loud as hell, or both | ||
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| zyga | modem died again, sorry | 03:42 |
| Yagisan | zyga: i don't know - I just lurk in some channels and follow the conversation | 03:42 |
| === Yagisan also would like a sparc | ||
| === Yagisan actually would like at least one of every arch Debian runs on | ||
| === zyga wants a silenced room to put all that noisy crap | ||
| === Yagisan is partially deaf - I probably can't hear it | ||
| zyga | you can fell the vibrations and excesive heat though | 03:46 |
| Yagisan | zyga: yeah - but it would be cool to show off, "hey guys, even my coffee pot runs linux" :) | 03:47 |
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| zyga | that's a ppc and a good motivation to run linux | 03:48 |
| Yagisan | zyga: I think there is a gamecube linux | 03:49 |
| zyga | but I need a modchip and eth0 that both cost around $100 | 03:49 |
| zyga | there sure is :D | 03:49 |
| zyga | but 30 megs of usefull ram is a slight disadvantage | 03:49 |
| Yagisan | zyga: that would make an excellent ltsp thin client | 03:50 |
| Yagisan | zyga: so you DO have a ppc system to help me with :) | 03:50 |
| zyga | Yagisan: but I still need a modchip and eth0 :D | 03:52 |
| Yagisan | zyga: details, details | 03:52 |
| zyga | you can click on ads on my blog if you really want to help me helping you ;] | 03:52 |
| zyga | I've got $0.74 ATM | 03:52 |
| zyga | :-)) | 03:52 |
| zyga | OTOH it'd be alot easier to buy old g3 | 03:52 |
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| Yagisan | zyga: I have $10au left in my account - If I don't get another customer soon I can't pay the rent :( | 03:53 |
| zyga | Yagisan: what do you sell/support? | 03:54 |
| Yagisan | zyga: E-Security services (data recovery, pen testing etc) | 03:54 |
| Yagisan | zyga: I did a layout mockup of a website a while ago while I develop a real one | 03:55 |
| zyga | Yagisan: expand your services | 03:55 |
| zyga | Yagisan: I'm still amazed by how inefficient major corporations are | 03:55 |
| zyga | I'm a freelance programmer - I constantly get hired to 'provide a solution' | 03:55 |
| Yagisan | zyga: general layout mockup can be found here http://users.tpg.com.au/yagisan/ | 03:56 |
| zyga | since I'm not hired as an analysist I just get to write code according to specs | 03:56 |
| zyga | Yagisan: http://www.suxx.pl/blog | 03:56 |
| zyga | Yagisan: use nicer stylesheet | 03:56 |
| zyga | colors suck IMHO | 03:57 |
| zyga | (anyway) | 03:57 |
| zyga | all the time I write something that is useless | 03:57 |
| zyga | I get paid | 03:57 |
| zyga | a month passes | 03:57 |
| Yagisan | zyga: it's a mockup. I like the colours, but the fonts and sizing suck | 03:57 |
| zyga | and I get hired again to write from scratch/improve previous tool | 03:57 |
| zyga | and this goes on and on since every version is equally useless :-) | 03:58 |
| zyga | I guess I could go to that company and say 'your analisyst sucks, hire me' | 03:58 |
| zyga | but I neet to eat and such so I don't care ;-) | 03:58 |
| zyga | Yagisan: get rid of those buttons on the bottom, your clients don't even know what that is | 03:59 |
| zyga | or make them small and invisible unless you really look | 03:59 |
| zyga | get rid of 'page looks odd' | 03:59 |
| zyga | your clients don't like to feel stiupid | 04:00 |
| zyga | they will ignore you to prove their point | 04:00 |
| zyga | :-) | 04:00 |
| Yagisan | zyga: I haven't even offically launched it - it was a mockup | 04:00 |
| zyga | Yagisan: I know :) | 04:00 |
| zyga | and really change the colours to something corporate | 04:00 |
| zyga | blue+white with black text | 04:00 |
| Yagisan | zyga: I didn't even put content up! | 04:00 |
| zyga | :-) | 04:00 |
| zyga | I'm commenting on the mockup | 04:00 |
| Yagisan | zyga: I hadn't done html for a long time - and then I discovered that IE would eat my css | 04:01 |
| Yagisan | zyga: so I put a bitch page for content | 04:02 |
| zyga | Yagisan: why don't you use an existing webportal/blog tool? | 04:02 |
| zyga | it's easier, works everywhere, looks good on various browsers and is more less correct according to taste/choice | 04:03 |
| Yagisan | zyga: because I haven't found one I like - I'm looking through aptitude now | 04:03 |
| zyga | Yagisan: aptitude hasn't got much webapps IMHO | 04:03 |
| zyga | Yagisan: try wordpress for blog - it's really good | 04:03 |
| Yagisan | zyga: is it in apt ? | 04:04 |
| zyga | looks excelent, has free and easy templates, is fully XHTML | 04:04 |
| zyga | Yagisan: no - it cannot be | 04:04 |
| zyga | it's like you want to install something in $HOME/public_html via apt ;-) | 04:04 |
| Kyral | Good morning | 04:04 |
| zyga | morning Kyral | 04:04 |
| Yagisan | zyga: what's it depend on ? | 04:04 |
| zyga | Yagisan: php, mysql | 04:04 |
| Yagisan | G'day Kyral | 04:04 |
| zyga | Yagisan: my blog runs that if you want to have a look | 04:05 |
| Yagisan | zyga - looking at your blog | 04:05 |
| zyga | It's fully GPLd if you care | 04:05 |
| zyga | admin side is lovely | 04:05 |
| zyga | easy upgrade notification | 04:06 |
| zyga | lots of plugins for various stuff | 04:06 |
| Yagisan | zyga: actually I do care (my pet package was rejected because upstream didn't care) | 04:06 |
| Yagisan | zyga: easy to transport between hosting providers ? | 04:06 |
| zyga | http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/ | 04:06 |
| zyga | themes for you ;-) | 04:06 |
| zyga | Yagisan: yes, just export your database | 04:07 |
| Yagisan | zyga: I'll try to set that up on my ddns system - looks interesting | 04:08 |
| zyga | Yagisan: installation is easy all you need is to extract a tarball and click a few times | 04:09 |
| Yagisan | zyga: reading manual | 04:11 |
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| Yagisan | zyga: you really hate my colours don't you | 04:19 |
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| zyga_ | cable tech support came, still no luck with modem :/ | 04:26 |
| Yagisan | zyga_: whats wrong with your modem ? | 04:28 |
| zyga_ | Yagisan: I don't know yet - it keeps disconnecting | 04:29 |
| zyga_ | the signal suddenly became a lot weaker | 04:29 |
| Yagisan | zyga_: my adsl modem does that when it gets hot (cheap netcomm crap) | 04:30 |
| zyga_ | brb | 04:31 |
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| zyga | re | 05:04 |
| zyga | :-) | 05:04 |
| zyga | filter added, modem works | 05:05 |
| Yagisan | zyga: be back soon - putting daughter to bed | 05:05 |
| siretart | re | 05:08 |
| siretart | TMM: I just read your AuthenticationInfrastructure spec | 05:08 |
| Mez | \sh: ping | 05:08 |
| TMM | siretart, any good? | 05:09 |
| siretart | TMM: I'm a bit puzzeled | 05:10 |
| siretart | it describes an concept of "proxy pam authentication" | 05:10 |
| siretart | but I don't get the idea what this would mean | 05:11 |
| TMM | siretart, then the spec needs clearing up :) | 05:11 |
| siretart | does it mean that all applications need to be rewritten to use this proxy interface? | 05:11 |
| TMM | no | 05:11 |
| siretart | and after all, how would this be implemented? | 05:11 |
| siretart | TMM: what do you think how long would it take to implement that spec? | 05:11 |
| TMM | doesn't HAVE to be long I think | 05:12 |
| TMM | but, there's still some details that I need to think about, you wanted to read it, so I put it up :) | 05:12 |
| siretart | okay | 05:12 |
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| TMM | the difficulty is in providing different pam plugins in different situations without switching the entire application stack over | 05:13 |
| siretart | I was rather thinking about some interfaces to the existing pam config | 05:13 |
| siretart | similar to update-inetd | 05:13 |
| siretart | yeah | 05:13 |
| TMM | the trouble with that is for multiple logins at the same machine | 05:14 |
| TMM | if you switch the pam plugins over later, suddenly your session might be worthless | 05:14 |
| TMM | even more so with NSS :) | 05:15 |
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| siretart | can't you assume that the same login is unique over the network? | 05:15 |
| siretart | wouldn't that make thinks easier? | 05:16 |
| TMM | you'd have to assume that there is only one person at a machine at one time I think... | 05:16 |
| TMM | although you could only switch gdm over I suppose | 05:16 |
| siretart | no, that would break ltsp installations very very hard | 05:17 |
| TMM | it's not ideal :) | 05:17 |
| TMM | that's why I came up with the proxy pam stuff | 05:17 |
| siretart | which I don't understand at all :) | 05:18 |
| TMM | basically the idea is that the first session you start will have a type of authentication associated with it, if there is no type, it'll default to the current behaviour | 05:18 |
| TMM | does that make any sense? | 05:19 |
| TMM | OK, I need to clarify this in the spec :D | 05:19 |
| siretart | idea taken, okay. but how does that fit into /etc/pam.d/*? | 05:19 |
| siretart | TMM: yes, clarify this and try to sketch how a possible implementation could work under the hoods | 05:20 |
| TMM | the proxy would delegate the actual authentication to one of the 'real' plugins | 05:20 |
| Mez | \sh: regarding amarok... get it ready for dapper and I'll shove it into backports as soon as possible | 05:20 |
| TMM | you can cascade credentials down in the stack of plugins | 05:20 |
| TMM | the difference between that and this would be that the order of the plugins won't be determined by the various conf files directly anymore, but by pam itself | 05:21 |
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| TMM | you can already pretty much do that | 05:21 |
| siretart | yes? | 05:22 |
| siretart | your proposal sounds a bit like messing a lot with libpam. | 05:23 |
| TMM | yeah, it's messing a lot with libpam | 05:23 |
| TMM | trying to work around some of its limitations | 05:23 |
| siretart | pam is a very security sensitive library. every change to that would require a lot of review. a hell of lot of reviews | 05:24 |
| TMM | I need to run some tests this week | 05:24 |
| TMM | I think I've got an idea that wouldn't require changes to libpam itself | 05:24 |
| TMM | will probably still need to patch libnss though | 05:24 |
| TMM | I can't really see a way around that | 05:25 |
| siretart | that would be better, because I don't think we could to massive changes to pam ourselves | 05:25 |
| siretart | hm. still libnss changes.. hmhm | 05:25 |
| TMM | depends a bit on how the nss sessions are regulated exactly... | 05:25 |
| TMM | it's current for a session, but, during some tests I did sometimes nss updates itself during a session, if that happens you are screwed | 05:26 |
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| === TMM wonders if you could do some ld_preload type hacks for that... | ||
| TMM | siretart, this is what is bugging me: | 05:29 |
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| TMM | siretart, user logs in, and chooses "SMB auth" from gdm, all the scripts run, user authenticates, then, starts a nested login, and chooses local... | 05:29 |
| TMM | siretart, then logs in again... in what state is the PAM/NSS stuff then? | 05:29 |
| TMM | well, the state of the config files would be rahter obvious, but, what happens to authentication after that | 05:30 |
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| TMM | siretart, how else would you do it? if it was trivial, then it would have been done long ago :) | 05:34 |
| mikhail^ | how do i know who have signed my gnupg key already? | 05:35 |
| siretart | TMM: I'd rather define an interface to the current existing pam/nss config, that is scriptable | 05:38 |
| siretart | TMM: so that local admins can still keep ther sophisticated pam setups | 05:38 |
| siretart | TMM: but for projects like ClusterInstallation there is a defined interface to configure defined setups | 05:39 |
| siretart | this is much less than your proposal, I know. | 05:39 |
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| siretart | But this way, we don't need to convince pitti that we need massive changes to pam and nss | 05:39 |
| siretart | and this is in fact my biggest concern. | 05:40 |
| siretart | when we touch libpam and/or libnss, it must be in a very save and sane way. We need to convince the security team, that the changes are supportable for 5 years! | 05:40 |
| siretart | you see my point? | 05:41 |
| TMM | siretart, well, the problem is still with the state of the pam/nss after a change while in another login | 05:41 |
| TMM | siretart, especially nss | 05:41 |
| siretart | -v please | 05:43 |
| TMM | ah, verbose :) | 05:43 |
| TMM | The nss lookups in a session, after /etc/nsswitch.conf has changed | 05:44 |
| siretart | yes | 05:46 |
| TMM | will the uid/gid numbers be resolved from the source you had when you first logged in, or from the new changed state | 05:46 |
| TMM | and, I have tested this | 05:46 |
| TMM | and the answer seems to be :"Perhaps" | 05:46 |
| TMM | that's not really good enough :) | 05:46 |
| siretart | I think the answer to this question is: all sources should be queried everytime, in a defined order | 05:47 |
| TMM | sorry for the non-verbosiveness, some people have decided that it is a good idea to talk to me | 05:47 |
| TMM | siretart, that is easy to do, but slow as hell | 05:47 |
| siretart | slow as hell? | 05:47 |
| siretart | use nscd | 05:47 |
| TMM | that'll just make matters worse | 05:47 |
| TMM | say you have an authentication method configured for SMB, LDAP, local and NDS | 05:48 |
| TMM | no matter what order you do, you are going to lag like a lot, especially if you need to change the order later, since nscd will be lagging, you could kill -hup it on change i suppose though... | 05:49 |
| siretart | I get your problem very slowly. perhaps you should add this explanation to your spec | 05:50 |
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| siretart | but I think I get you | 05:50 |
| siretart | still, I don't think this would be implementable in 2,5 months | 05:51 |
| TMM | nss is rather integral to the system, problem is, I am not EXACTLY sure where it fits in, but, afaik, it is called directly from the c library for certain operations, such as gethostbyname etc | 05:51 |
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| TMM | and, changing its config will have effect on everything that uses those calls, pretty much immediatly | 05:52 |
| TMM | that needs to change | 05:52 |
| siretart | TMM: I have further question | 05:52 |
| TMM | siretart, please do! :) you are really helping me see the things I missed | 05:52 |
| siretart | TMM: does your concept handle the case of authentication with other facilities than gdm? | 05:52 |
| siretart | TMM: what about ssh, or even cron? | 05:52 |
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| siretart | or imap? | 05:53 |
| TMM | for that it wouldn't be needed, as this is only intended as a way for users to log in to different systems, like the laptop example in the spec | 05:54 |
| TMM | for services, I need to draft another spec to compliment it | 05:54 |
| TMM | but they would not be handeled like this, they would be handeled in a bit more classic way, but with a configuration per service, that is static to be determined by the adminstrator | 05:55 |
| siretart | so you are saying users should only use gdm? | 05:55 |
| TMM | on an ubuntu desktop? yes | 05:55 |
| siretart | and I say definitly NO | 05:55 |
| siretart | you break a lot of things with this | 05:56 |
| TMM | it's not like you are alienating anyone or any authentication mechanisms | 05:56 |
| TMM | or breaking anything | 05:56 |
| TMM | there is no point to have a mail server authentication that is remotly configurable, you want to set that on the host that provides the service | 05:56 |
| siretart | how would a user then be able to authenticate when he tries to ssh to a workstation? | 05:57 |
| TMM | locally probably | 05:57 |
| siretart | or how he would be able to run cronjobs? | 05:57 |
| TMM | unless otherwise configured | 05:57 |
| siretart | only if he has a local account | 05:57 |
| siretart | what if the account is in ldap? | 05:57 |
| siretart | then no ssh to a machine is possible? | 05:57 |
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| TMM | that is the whole point of this scheme | 05:57 |
| siretart | then I cannot support it. sorry | 05:58 |
| TMM | to be able to authenticate in a meaningful way if one of the mechanisms isn't functional | 05:58 |
| TMM | think laptop here for a second | 05:58 |
| TMM | for a desktop nothing much would change | 05:58 |
| TMM | you have a central authentication mechanism, that could simply also be set for ssh | 05:59 |
| TMM | and probably would be, as the machine is immobile | 05:59 |
| siretart | if you break ssh authentication with users only in ldap, you instantly break ltsp installations | 05:59 |
| TMM | no, I don't break that | 05:59 |
| TMM | this would make it possible to use a laptop temporary as a ltsp thin client! | 05:59 |
| TMM | the problem is MOBILE computers | 06:00 |
| TMM | for immobile compuers NOTHING would have to change | 06:00 |
| siretart | .oO( perhaps we should have taken this to #ubuntu-devel - more experienced developers are there ) | 06:01 |
| TMM | at least I know what I have to clarify in my spec | 06:01 |
| siretart | yeah, this is a big step :) | 06:01 |
| TMM | but, trust me, this is not going to break pure ldap usersnames | 06:01 |
| siretart | I'm looking forward to read your implementation proposal | 06:02 |
| TMM | me too :) | 06:02 |
| siretart | you're ideas are really rocking! | 06:02 |
| siretart | but keep in mind, to get this into dapper, we must implement this in less than 2.5 months | 06:02 |
| TMM | have you had the misfortune to work with a windows box lately? | 06:02 |
| TMM | XP even? | 06:02 |
| siretart | better in less time | 06:03 |
| siretart | TMM: I don't care about windows | 06:03 |
| TMM | but, did you? :) | 06:03 |
| TMM | you can select what 'domain' you want to log on to, local or some network or whatever at the login manager | 06:03 |
| TMM | this is basically only trying to do this in a way that it won't break anything else | 06:04 |
| siretart | some parts of our university are using them | 06:04 |
| siretart | I have to use that option, and I think it is really awfull. we should try to avoid asking the user that question | 06:04 |
| TMM | for laptop users it's good | 06:04 |
| TMM | the laternative is timing out | 06:04 |
| siretart | yes | 06:05 |
| siretart | but in unix land, we have other services, with other philosophy | 06:05 |
| TMM | for desktop users we are going to have the option to not display it :) | 06:05 |
| siretart | please answer also this question in your spec: | 06:05 |
| TMM | we could use soething like rendevouz or SLP | 06:06 |
| siretart | you have different auth servers: ldap, local and smb | 06:06 |
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| TMM | but that's not going to work in legacy windows networks | 06:06 |
| siretart | how does ssh/cron learn which one to query? | 06:06 |
| TMM | and I want to make it possible for dapper to plug into a windows network that windows does | 06:06 |
| TMM | siretart, and, for dapper to provide windows services to clients that need it | 06:07 |
| siretart | TMM: as said, I'm happy to read your implementation proposal, but think about our available timeframe | 06:08 |
| TMM | some hack isn't going to cut it here | 06:10 |
| TMM | :) | 06:10 |
| siretart | TMM: and I like you to talk to pitti, keybuk and/or jbaily about this. I'd like to hear other opinions, and if they think if it feasible for dapper | 06:10 |
| TMM | ok, I will do that | 06:10 |
| siretart | TMM: you know, you are requesting very much | 06:10 |
| TMM | I'm willing to put a lot of work into it myself | 06:10 |
| TMM | I'm not asking for someone to do it for me | 06:10 |
| siretart | and I'm willing to support you, If you can convince me that your implementation design is sane :) | 06:11 |
| TMM | I will tweak it | 06:11 |
| TMM | and run more tests | 06:11 |
| TMM | asap | 06:11 |
| siretart | okay :) | 06:11 |
| siretart | and: thank you for doing this. you have great ideas! | 06:11 |
| TMM | I want to have something that is at least discussable in time for ubz | 06:11 |
| TMM | siretart, no problem, I enjoy this | 06:13 |
| TMM | ubuntu's community is great | 06:13 |
| siretart | :) | 06:13 |
| siretart | definitly! | 06:13 |
| TMM | :) | 06:13 |
| TMM | I'll try to finish off something better soon | 06:13 |
| TMM | perhaps I'll have to settle for a config tool that allows it to be configured as 'windows client' | 06:14 |
| TMM | and not have the choice at login at all | 06:14 |
| TMM | that should be doable in a couple of weeks | 06:15 |
| TMM | perhaps my idea is more post-dapper then... when all the setting scripts are in place.. | 06:15 |
| siretart | remember that I really need NetworkAuthentication, even when it only works with ldap | 06:16 |
| TMM | setting up an ldap client isn't really hard | 06:17 |
| TMM | even from a config tool :) | 06:17 |
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| TMM | siretart, there has got to be a way to do this properly :) | 06:28 |
| \sh | siretart: u think with 100 packages out of marillat and debian he's able to upgrade cleanly? | 06:44 |
| koke | most of the BOF descriptions are empty right now :( | 06:44 |
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| TMM | siretart, I think I see a better way... | 06:50 |
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| siretart | \sh: I think so. where do you expect breakage? | 06:59 |
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| TMM | siretart, I only need that proxy thing for NSS really | 07:05 |
| TMM | siretart, and that is fairly easy to implement as 'just another nss plugin' | 07:05 |
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| siretart | TMM: sounds great! :) | 07:15 |
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| TMM | you can set some variables in pam sessions, I could store the method used to authenticate there, then look that up with my nssswitch plug | 07:38 |
| TMM | does that sound better? :) | 07:38 |
| siretart | if that works safely, why not | 07:44 |
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| TMM | siretart, I honestly can't think of a security problem with NSS... | 07:57 |
| TMM | siretart, well, perhaps if *someuser* started to resolve to UID 0 | 07:57 |
| TMM | hem | 07:57 |
| TMM | ok... | 07:57 |
| TMM | perhaps there IS a security risk :) | 07:57 |
| Lathiat | security risk where? | 07:58 |
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| TMM | Lathiat, changes to NSS in general | 07:59 |
| Lathiat | howso? | 07:59 |
| TMM | depends a bit if NSS is only convenience or not :) but, I suppose that there is UID checking on a lower level than NSS | 08:00 |
| TMM | it's been a long day :) | 08:00 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 08:00 |
| siretart | heyho bddebian! | 08:01 |
| sivang | heythere bddebian | 08:01 |
| Lathiat | oh no | 08:01 |
| Lathiat | its bddebian | 08:01 |
| Lathiat | everyone hide | 08:01 |
| TMM | siretart, I've got to stop thinking about this today, I've had too much on my mind now :) | 08:01 |
| bddebian | Hello siretart, Lathiat | 08:01 |
| bddebian | Lathiat: Hide from me? :-) | 08:01 |
| Lathiat | hi bddebian! | 08:01 |
| Lathiat | bddebian: hide the thermonuclear weapons! | 08:02 |
| TMM | I should have enough time before UBz begins to get something into shape :) | 08:02 |
| siretart | TMM: well, I'm off for today, too. Lets discuss this tomorrow | 08:02 |
| TMM | siretart, good idea | 08:02 |
| bddebian | Gah :-) | 08:02 |
| siretart | TMM: or somewhen else. | 08:02 |
| siretart | I'd also like to bring this up to the ubuntu-devel mainling list, because I think a quite wide audience would be intersted in that | 08:02 |
| siretart | bye folks! | 08:02 |
| Yagisan | thermonuclear weapons ? | 08:02 |
| TMM | and, I suppose that nss is not very security critical... | 08:02 |
| TMM | tomorrow! :) | 08:02 |
| === TMM needs sleep | ||
| === siretart too | ||
| === Yagisan thinks that might be enough to get the roaches from next door | ||
| sivang | TMM: already working on dapper packages? :) | 08:03 |
| TMM | sivang, trying to spec features I'd like to implement | 08:03 |
| === TMM needs to talk to a pam expert | ||
| TMM | my knowledge is apparently fading a bit in the details | 08:04 |
| TMM | not helping :) | 08:04 |
| Mez | siretart: ping | 08:07 |
| siretart | Mez: I'm rather already off | 08:08 |
| Mez | siretart: was just wondering where they keyring for revu was | 08:08 |
| siretart | /srv/revu1/uploaders.gpg | 08:08 |
| siretart | Mez: use revu-key to add ppl to the keyring, as documented in revu-trac | 08:08 |
| siretart | http://revu.tauware.de/trac | 08:09 |
| Mez | cool | 08:09 |
| Mez | I wanst given the terac url | 08:09 |
| bddebian | Heya Mez | 08:09 |
| Mez | hey bddebian | 08:09 |
| siretart | oh sorry | 08:10 |
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| xophEr | can I get adobe reader for breezy via the official repositories some day? | 08:16 |
| Lathiat | isnt it already in as 'acroread' ? | 08:17 |
| xophEr | acroread-debian-files is all I can find | 08:17 |
| xophEr | no idea what they are | 08:17 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: who can mark a bug as fixed, does it need to be a MOTU? | 08:17 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: No, as long as you have editbugs rights | 08:18 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: what do you think about https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/xfig/+bug/2029? | 08:18 |
| zyga_ | wake up guys :) | 08:19 |
| zenrox | i am awake | 08:20 |
| zenrox | i think | 08:20 |
| zyga_ | let's package abiword 2.4 with grammar checking while it's still hot :-) | 08:20 |
| zyga_ | 2.4.1 that is | 08:20 |
| zenrox | i ant that awake | 08:21 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Close it :-) | 08:21 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: done :-) | 08:21 |
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| zyga | err | 08:24 |
| zyga | err :/ | 08:25 |
| zyga | I hate this... It's already packaged | 08:35 |
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| spayne | hey all | 09:35 |
| spayne | i got my key signed! | 09:35 |
| spayne | i have a .sig file, what do i do now? | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | spayne: how did that go? I need to get that done too | 09:36 |
| spayne | it was great | 09:36 |
| spayne | i met Jon and persuaded him to package for Ubuntu! | 09:36 |
| spayne | he is a Debian guy but wanting a chage | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | cool | 09:37 |
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| spayne | which key server should i use? | 09:42 |
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| jinty | hoi ajmitch | 09:47 |
| LaserJock | spayne: have you looked at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GetYourKeySigned ? | 09:50 |
| spayne | going :) | 09:50 |
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| === ajmitch waves to jinty, a couple of hours late :) | ||
| jinty | hay ajmitch | 11:26 |
| jinty | no worries | 11:26 |
| jinty | just about that schooltool-live package | 11:26 |
| ajmitch | oh? | 11:27 |
| jinty | yeah, the settings for the schooltool livecd | 11:28 |
| jinty | that wasn't on the agenda for breezy | 11:28 |
| jinty | I'm interested in having it in universe | 11:29 |
| ajmitch | for dapper? | 11:32 |
| jinty | indeed | 11:32 |
| ajmitch | (sorry, very lagged on dialup today) | 11:32 |
| jinty | ah | 11:32 |
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| ajmitch | heh | 11:33 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: is it OK to reject Malone #3039? | 11:34 |
| ajmitch | so what's involved in the schooltool-live setup | 11:34 |
| jinty | all it does is depend on schooltool/schoolbell, and put a few files into /etc/skel | 11:35 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: probably my fault too :) | 11:35 |
| ajmitch | jinty: ok | 11:35 |
| jinty | so that icons appear on all new users desktops | 11:35 |
| === ajmitch hasn't done a live setup before :) | ||
| === jinty just wants to fix up a the maintainer scripts so that the files get deleted on remove | ||
| ajmitch | I don't think there'd be any obstacle to getting it in for dapper | 11:36 |
| jinty | cool, so you could upload it now? | 11:36 |
| jinty | heh, if you have the time... | 11:37 |
| ajmitch | nope | 11:37 |
| ajmitch | dapper isn't open yet :) | 11:37 |
| jinty | ah, well then I guess I will ping you again later... | 11:38 |
| bmonty | hi all | 11:39 |
| ajmitch | hi bmonty | 11:40 |
| jinty | thanks anyway | 11:40 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: why did you want to reject that bug? | 11:40 |
| LaserJock | sorry, I just set it to fixed | 11:41 |
| LaserJock | It said that the ipython symbolic link wasn't right | 11:42 |
| ajmitch | but was it fixed? | 11:42 |
| LaserJock | yes | 11:42 |
| LaserJock | I just installed ipython and everything was OK | 11:42 |
| LaserJock | /usr/bin/ipython -> /etc/alternatives/ipython | 11:42 |
| LaserJock | and /etc/alternatives/ipython -> /usr/bin/python2.4-ipython | 11:43 |
| ajmitch | so he may have had alterbatives set wrong | 11:43 |
| LaserJock | perhaps | 11:43 |
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