[01:17] <gand> hi all
[01:17] <gand> what about 5.10 PPC iso?
[01:59] <gand> what about 5.10 PPC iso?
[04:33] <enyc> dand: that was not released due to ''stupid bug'' r.er ltsp  apparently
[04:34] <enyc> gand: that was not released due to ''stupid bug'' r.er ltsp  apparently
[04:35] <enyc> r.e. ltsp
[05:34] <JohnnyCastaway> 10th install works fine now
[07:59] <jsgotangco> hello
[11:29] <Yagisan> \sh - you gave my multi-client-arch patches a test ?
[11:30] <\sh> Yagisan: ogra had..I was the test candidate ;)
[11:31] <ajmitch_> hey Yagisan 
[11:31] <Yagisan> G'day ajmitch_
[11:32] <ajmitch_> \sh: I hope you're looking at malone 3014
[11:32] <Yagisan> \sh: amd64 server + i386 client ?
[11:32] <ajmitch_> jabberd2 bug, shall I reassign to MOTUIM?
[11:32] <\sh> Yagisan: yepp
[11:32] <\sh> ajmitch_: moment
[11:33] <ajmitch_> probably OT for here, but I'm sure that jabber has an educational use ;)
[11:34] <\sh> ajmitch_: leave it for motu....I think this behaviour is upstream....
[11:34] <\sh> jabberd2 is a mess sometimes :(
[11:34] <ajmitch_> ok
[11:34] <\sh> I'd set a bookmark to it
[11:35] <\sh> Yagisan: test case was
[11:35] <\sh> amd64 server, dhcp on amd64, connection from amd64 to lan via wlan...
[11:35] <\sh> client i386 -> pxe boot from amd64 server via wired lan, routing was done via wlan from amd64
[11:35] <\sh> result: works ;)
[11:36] <\sh> very uncommon routing scenario...but hey ;)
[11:36] <Yagisan> \sh: excellent - I already deployed amd64 server + dhcp on amd64, but my i386 clients boot with etherboot
[11:37] <Yagisan> \sh: qemu isn't yet up to the task of extending the patch yet :(
[11:37] <\sh> Yagisan: well...at least there is a new + for edubuntu for the next release
[11:38] <Yagisan> \sh: yep, all we need now is local apps :)
[04:18] <highvoltage> hi everyone
[04:21] <Yagisan> G'day highvoltage
[04:21] <highvoltage> Hi Mr Jones
[04:22] <Yagisan> highvoltage, only the government calls me that, even my family call me Yagisan :)
[04:22] <highvoltage> hehe
[04:23] <highvoltage> whenever i see someones surname is 'Jones' I think of the counting crows song
[04:23] <highvoltage> so saying Mr Jones at some stage is inevitable, at least i got it out of the way now ;)
[04:24] <Yagisan> the funny thing about having Jones as a surname is that the police don't think it is your real name
[04:24] <Yagisan> because it's such a popular surname
[04:25] <Yagisan> so whats up highvoltage ?
[04:26] <highvoltage> dreading monday, mostly. :)
[04:26] <highvoltage> i need to take a few days leave to relax but just haven't had the chance yet.
[04:26] <highvoltage> i think i just have to come to terms that i'm a workoholic
[04:26] <Yagisan> It's already monday here
[04:27] <Yagisan> you must like what you do then
[04:27] <highvoltage> lucky you, you're closer to friday :)
[04:27] <highvoltage> i do. intensely :)
[04:27] <highvoltage> then again, i like everything i do. if i can't enjoy what i'm doing, then there's probably not much point in doing it.
[04:27] <Yagisan> meh - I have to find customers - now (I have $10au left =-O )
[04:28] <highvoltage> ah, australian
[04:28] <highvoltage> where in .au do you live?
[04:28] <Yagisan> Sydney, (Lidcombe, about 20 minute walk to Olympic site)
[04:29] <highvoltage> wow, what a fantastic city to live in.
[04:29] <Yagisan> highvoltage - could you look here and tell me what you think http://users.tpg.com.au/yagisan/index.html
[04:29] <highvoltage> i think that's one of very few places where i'd live rather than here.
[04:29] <Yagisan> I'm redesigning the website and have done a mockup
[04:29] <highvoltage> i'll have to look tomorrow, have very, very little internet access right now (on GPRS atm)
[04:29] <Yagisan> It's too expensive here
[04:30] <Yagisan> GPRS - mobile phone ?
[04:31] <Yagisan> highvoltage - you're in South Africa ?
[04:31] <highvoltage> yep
[04:34] <highvoltage> Yagisan: are you an ubuntu developer?
[04:35] <Yagisan> highvoltage: no, I "freelance"
[04:35] <Yagisan> highvoltage: I develop on what I use for work
[04:36] <Yagisan> highvoltage: what do you need/want ?
[04:37] <highvoltage> that's a tough question. i guess i'd have to say a 30 hour day.
[04:37] <highvoltage> no, sorry, i take that back.
[04:38] <highvoltage> i think we all need three day weekends.
[04:38] <highvoltage> it would solve many problems around the world.
[04:38] <Yagisan> I'd like an extra pair of hands, and eyes in the back of my head while I'm at it
[04:38] <highvoltage> and because people will technically work less, companies will have to hire more people, and the world unemployment rate will go down rapidly.
[04:39] <highvoltage> why an extra two hands? i think 3 hands is perfectly adequate..
[04:39] <Yagisan> highvoltage: I would love to hire people, but I'm having a hard time convincing businesses to spend money
[04:40] <Yagisan> highvoltage: you must not have kids yet ..
[04:40] <highvoltage> nope, how did you deduct this? :)
[04:41] <Yagisan> highvoltage: after you have kids, you'll realise that you need at least four hands for them
[04:41] <highvoltage> ah, good point. i'll keep that in mind if i ever have the oppertunity to get more hands.
[04:43] <Yagisan> highvoltage: If you get some, send an extra pair (or two) my way :)
[04:44] <highvoltage> ok.
[04:45] <highvoltage> must be.
[04:46] <highvoltage> Yagisan: what do you think about the edubuntu webpage?
[04:55] <Yagisan> highvoltage: the front page has a cute childrens feel to it
[04:56] <Yagisan> highvoltage: It does feel slow though
[04:56] <highvoltage> i think all the ubuntu sites are getting slower and slower
[04:56] <highvoltage> the wiki is especially slow.
[04:56] <highvoltage> i wonder if it's the high demand.
[04:56] <highvoltage> perhaps it's because so many people are downloading breezy, so there's little bandwidth.
[04:59] <Yagisan> I ended up deciding against a wiki because all wikis I've used are slow
[04:59] <Yagisan> I'm doing hand crafted html + css, with about 4-5 small images a page
[05:00] <Yagisan> a lot of people here still are on dialup
[05:00] <highvoltage> hand crafted is cool.
[05:00] <highvoltage> broadband in south africa doesn't really exist, so dial-up is still very popular here as well.
[05:00] <Yagisan> highvoltage: I makes me feel old, I haven't hand crafted html since 2001
[05:01] <Yagisan> highvoltage: the link I posted would probably come up over gprs rather quickly
[05:03] <highvoltage> i checked it over gprs (but without images to reduce cost) looks nice.
[05:03] <highvoltage> content management systems are sometimes useful, but mostly overrated.
[05:04] <Yagisan> thanks highvoltage, I did the colour scheme to match my business cards, I don't know if the css menus will flyout on IE though
[05:04] <Jeromee> Yagisan: do you have the website hosted, I could check now if you'd like
[05:05] <Yagisan> Jeromee: the layout mockup is here http://users.tpg.com.au/yagisan/index.html
[05:05] <Yagisan> links are dummys
[05:06] <Jeromee> yeah, it doesn't show up to well in IE
[05:07] <Jeromee> Its cutting off the first letter of each word for the menu bar
[05:07] <Jeromee> like home is seen as "ome"
[05:07] <Yagisan> Jeromee: could you dcc me a screenshot
[05:07] <Jeromee> I can't dcc
[05:07] <Jeromee> but I can surely host the image for you
[05:07] <Jeromee> one second
[05:08] <Yagisan> Jeromee: looks like I'll need conditional css for that :(
[05:10] <Jeromee> sorry for the overall size of this image, I have a dual monitors
[05:11] <Yagisan> Jeromee: that won't be a problem - thanks for the screenshot
[05:12] <Jeromee> pm for link
[05:15] <Jeromee> if you need anything else
[05:15] <Yagisan> Jeromee: that looks almost nothing like it does under firefox or konqueror
[05:15] <Jeromee> just let me know
[05:15] <Jeromee> I'll check it under my firefox too
[05:15] <Jeromee> hmm
[05:15] <Jeromee> looks fine in firefox
[05:15] <Jeromee> :-P
[05:15] <Jeromee> IE just sucks at life.
[05:15] <Yagisan> Jeromee: did the flyovers work ?
[05:16] <Jeromee> what are "flyovers"?
[05:16] <Jeromee> I'm not much into webdesign
[05:16] <Jeromee> like, where you hover over home
[05:16] <Yagisan> Jeromee: If you mouse over the menus they should pop out
[05:16] <Jeromee> and the "site map" box pops up?
[05:16] <Jeromee> yeah
[05:17] <Yagisan> yep
[05:17] <Jeromee> works
[05:17] <Jeromee> :-)
[05:17] <Yagisan> I'm not a web designer either
[05:17] <Jeromee> yeah
[05:17] <Jeromee> I hate web design
[05:17] <Jeromee> I'm pretty good with managing servers though
[05:18] <Jeromee> atleast, on freebsd
[05:18] <Jeromee> :-)
[05:18] <Jeromee> I have yet to try edubuntu, but, I've yet to get a computer completely rebuilt the way I like it to bother to install linux
[05:18] <Yagisan> I'd rather be hacking away at networks, but I've got to eat and feed a family, so create a website i must
[05:19] <Jeromee> hehe, yeah
[05:19] <Jeromee> I don't have to worry about the family thing
[05:19] <Jeromee> just gotta worry about feeding bruce, my pet fish
[05:19] <Yagisan> edubuntu is nice for education, but it's not quite right for me
[05:19] <Yagisan> I just contribute my patches back though
[05:20] <Jeromee> yeah, I tend to find freebsd more to my needs
[05:20] <Jeromee> but, I'm definatly going to give it a shot
[05:20] <Yagisan> Jeromee: your windows box - I doesn't have CJK fonts does it
[05:20] <Jeromee> no, don't believe so
[05:21] <Yagisan> Jeromee: that explains the boxes then
[05:21] <Jeromee> basically just a default install with updates, and some security
[05:31] <highvoltage> ok, bye everyone!
[06:39] <Yagisan> night all
[06:57] <gooseuk> Afternoon folks
[07:46] <gooseuk> anyone with the living?
[07:51] <spacey_ki> :)
[07:51] <spacey_ki> not sure
[07:51] <spacey_ki> partly
[07:51] <spacey_ki> whats up
[07:56] <gooseuk> Well I was wondering if one the developers can fix the floppy problem
[08:36] <spacey_ki> THE floppy problem?
[08:36] <spacey_ki> whats that?
[08:39] <Rotan> hi!
[08:44] <Rotan> ... is edubuntu appropriate for, say, a college campus to put in libraries and such?
[08:51] <spacey_ki> ..
[09:08] <alison> Is there anyone here who can help me troubleshoot my server setup?
[09:10] <spacey_ki> alison, if you state your problem
[09:11] <alison> I boot my client up, it gets to a login screen. I try to login. Screen goes black, then boots me back to the same login screen.
[09:13] <alison> mhz was helping me the other night, and he had the same problem. he passed on a potential fix from ogra, which involved updating the ssh keys on the server. I did that, but still have the same problem.
[09:16] <Rotan> is edubuntu appropriate for a collegiate environment?
[09:20] <alison> Rotan: The bundled software provided with edubuntu seems more aimed at grade schoolers, and maybe some for highschool. But you could definitely make use of its LTSP capabilities in a collegiate environment.
[09:30] <alison> Could anyone here with a working server/thin-client setup tell me the output you get running sudo netstat -anp | grep ":177 " ?
[09:56] <alison> hi ogra, aren't you one of the edubuntu wizards?
[09:56] <ogra> yes
[09:56] <ogra> hi
[09:57] <alison> can you help me: my client boots up, I get a login screen, and then can't log in. screen goes black and then goes back to the login screen.
[09:57] <alison> mhz suggested I update the ssh keys, and I ran a command to do that... but still a no-go
[09:58] <ogra> have you looked if /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts contains a key after running the command ? and is sshd running ? 
[09:59] <alison> i'll check
[10:00] <alison> there is a bunch of gobbledigook in ssh_known_hosts
[10:00] <ogra> the login manager needs a running sshd on the server to connect to... :)
[10:00] <alison> yes sshd is running
[10:01] <ogra> and the file contains a key ? 
[10:02] <alison> if a bunch of mixed-up letters and numbers is a key, yes
[10:02] <ogra> yes, thats a key
[10:02] <ogra> otherwise it would be empty...
[10:02] <alison> ok
[10:03] <ogra> does the user you connect with exist on the server ? 
[10:03] <alison> yes
[10:03] <alison> hold on... maybe not?
[10:04] <dabaR_> Hey, why am I not able at all to edit the wiki, it says page locked ion the top left. I am signed in to wiki.ubuntu.com however, and able to edit.
[10:04] <ogra> thats very strange... seems all requirements are fulfilled...
[10:05] <dabaR_> Are you able to? maybe it is just locked.
[10:05] <alison> I'm going to try it again. the user I thought I created wasn't on the server when I checked it just now.
[10:05] <ogra> alison, try to set a root password in the chroot environment (sudo /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd) and check the file /var/log/ldm.log on the client... it will tell whats going wrong
[10:06] <ogra> err
[10:06] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
[10:06] <ogra> alison, oh, thats the problem then :)
[10:07] <ogra> dabaR, does it say by whom it is locked ? 
[10:07] <ogra> probably someone edits it currently
[10:07] <ogra> i can edit on wiki.edubuntu.org
[10:08] <dabaR> Not at all.
[10:08] <dabaR> I mean, not at all does it say by whom.
[10:08] <dabaR> Well, Ill check when I get home onto my Ubuntu. Thanks.
[10:08] <dabaR> Im glad edubuntu was released.
[10:08] <ogra> :)
[10:22] <alison> now when I try to login, it sits there with just a little clock for the mouse pointer
[10:22] <gand> hi, no 5.10 PPC final, neither PPC pre yet available :(
[10:23] <ogra> gand, nope, sorry
[10:23] <gand> eta?
[10:23] <ogra> the powerpc install was not tested enough, we discovered a bug in the default install
[10:24] <ogra> if you want only a workstation install, the last daily isos are still there, they are just not officially released...
[10:24] <gand> I've pre installed with all update
[10:24] <ogra> then it should be fine...
[10:25] <gand> yes althougth sometimes little strange thinghs happens :)
[10:26] <ogra> the isos on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/ are identical with the release... but note that you currently cant use ltsp on ppc, it has a bad bug
[10:26] <ogra> which kind of things ? 
[10:26] <gand> nothing important
[10:26] <alison> ogra: how exactly do I check the log on the client? I set the chroot passwd.
[10:26] <gand> probably related to gnome
[10:27] <ogra> alison, you press ctrl-alt-f1 and login as root with the password you set up before
[10:27] <gand> as bin icon placed on the left of desktop
[10:28] <ogra> enev with new users ?
[10:28] <ogra> *even
[10:28] <gand> i didn't try
[10:28] <ogra> alison, then less /var/log/ldm.log and press shift-g to jump to the end of the file...
[10:30] <gand> meanwhile I've discovered "sudo nautilus" to manage root files using GUI, without terminal
[10:30] <ogra> eeek
[10:30] <ogra> dont use file managers as root
[10:30] <alison> it's not letting me log in as root. I did "sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd" and entered a password. is that right? this stuff is testing the limits of my command line knowledge.  :| 
[10:31] <ogra> alison, you did run that command on the server, right ? probably you need to reboot the client...
[10:32] <alison> yes, I run it on the server.
[10:32] <alison> oh, so I'm logging in as root from the client?
[10:32] <gand> I did it to manage folder in /var/www/ to install some CMS - LMS
[10:32] <ogra> *on* the client, yes
[10:33] <ogra> gand, what if your mouse misbehaves and a essential directory gets moved into any other directory and you didnt notice wher it was dropped ? 
[10:34] <ogra> or the filemanager has a bug that doesnt show up if you run it as user and it wipes your disk ? 
[10:34] <alison> ok, now it's working. and I see that the client's connect to ssh is timing out, because it's trying to connect to the wrong IP address.
[10:34] <ogra> note that filemanagers dont get tested as root normally by the developers
[10:34] <ogra> oh
[10:35] <ogra> thats strange...
[10:36] <ogra> alison, is your server the only server on this network ? 
[10:36] <ogra> or do you have any nfs server around ? 
[10:37] <alison> well, there are other computers on the network, but the clients shouldn't be able to access any of them at this point. they're going client -> switch -> server, and the server's got two network cards. the one that's connected to my general LAN is currently disabled.
[10:37] <ogra> hmm, its a bit weaird...
[10:37] <alison> no nfs server
[10:37] <ogra> weird
[10:38] <ogra> the clients boot fine ? 
[10:38] <alison> they boot to the login screen fine... they do throw some errors along the way, though
[10:38] <ogra> thats normal...
[10:39] <ogra> i havent cleaned up the bootscripts yet, we use all ubuntu default packages, most are not designed for read only filesystems... beautification is for the next release :)
[10:39] <alison> it looks like the ssh is trying to go to a default IP address rather than the static IP I set up for my server in eth0 and in my dhcpd.conf
[10:40] <alison> it's trying 192.168.101.254, but my server's set to 192.168.2.1
[10:40] <ogra> could you run ifconfig ? 
[10:41] <ogra> and tell me which IP the client has ? 
[10:42] <alison> 192.168.2.233
[10:42] <ogra> hmm, should be right
[10:42] <ogra> can you enter the following :
[10:42] <ogra> (sed -ne '/ltsp.*nfs/ { s/^\([^:] *\):.*$/\1/; p; q }' /proc/mounts
[10:43] <alison> still on the client?
[10:43] <ogra> yup
[10:43] <ogra> thats the command thats used in the code to get your server ip
[10:43] <alison> that'll be interesting without cut and paste :)
[10:46] <ogra> an easy workaround is to ser the SERVER variable in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf ... but i'd like to know why the autodetection misbehaves
[10:46] <ogra> s/ser/set
[10:47] <alison> hm, I typed that in, and it gave me a > prompt?
[10:47] <ogra> ergh
[10:47] <ogra> hit ctrl-c
[10:47] <ogra> and omit the first bracket
[10:48] <alison> the ( before sed?
[10:48] <ogra> yes
[10:48] <alison> okay, 192.168.2.1
[10:48] <ogra> t should give you an ip address
[10:48] <ogra> hmm, looks right
[10:48] <alison> indeed
[10:50] <ogra> did you set the SERVER variable anywhere  ? did you edit or create /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf ?
[10:51] <alison> I was about to try doing that before you showed up here, but I didn't yet
[10:51] <ogra> hmm
[10:52] <ogra> can you try a login on the client and paste the last ...say 30 lines of ldm.log anywhere ? 
[10:53] <alison> there's not that much in the log, actually
[10:53] <ogra> you should be able to scp the file to the server..
[10:54] <alison> it's only nine lines. I could type it in here
[10:54] <ogra> hmm...
[10:55] <alison> OpenSSH4.1p1 Debian-7ubuntu4, OpenSSL 0.9.7g 11 Apr 2005
[10:55] <alison> debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[10:55] <alison> debug1: Applying options for *
[10:56] <alison> debug1: Connecting to 192.168.101.254 [192.168.101.254]  port 22.
[10:56] <alison> debug1: connect to address 192.168.101.254 port 22: Connection timed out
[10:56] <alison> ssh: connect to host 192.168.101.254 port 22: Connection timed out
[10:56] <alison> (END)
[10:56] <mwright1night> Quick question
[10:57] <mwright1night> is edubuntu from the same source repository as ubuntu and kubuntu
[10:57] <ogra> alison, that doesnt look like login attempt at all...
[10:57] <mwright1night> just a different default package sleectin?
[10:57] <ogra> mwright1night, yes
[10:57] <mwright1night> also does anyone know if the "Teacher Tool" replacement
[10:57] <ogra> mwright1night, there are edubuntu-desktop and edubuntu-server metapackages
[10:57] <mwright1night> which was on the core todo list for edubuntu is in the edubuntu
[10:57] <ogra> mwright1night, its not ready yet
[10:57] <mwright1night> do you know when?
[10:58] <ogra> i'll work on it the next weeks and trigger a backport of the package for breezy
[10:58] <mwright1night> fantastic
[10:58] <mwright1night> I am rolling out some terminal servers for some schools running LTSP
[10:58] <mwright1night> and I currently use Teachertool, but it's not that clean
[10:59] <ogra> but it'll only have basic functionallity, not more than the original TeacherTool yet
[10:59] <mwright1night> that's ok
[10:59] <mwright1night> it will be awesome all the same
[10:59] <mwright1night> will you use x11vnc or something else?
[10:59] <ogra> but i plan a plugin mechanism, so you can let your stsdents write extensions for it in the python class ;)
[11:00] <mwright1night> I also use it for remote helpdesk
[11:00] <mwright1night> so keep that in mind
[11:00] <ogra> gnome has already vnc built in...
[11:00] <spacey_ki> teachertool is the fancy toolie to see running sessions and stuff or am i confused with something else?
[11:00] <mwright1night> that it's use is beyond the class room
[11:00] <mwright1night> It has two functions
[11:00] <mwright1night> it will broadcast your desktop to the class
[11:00] <mwright1night> and it will spy on a session
[11:00] <ogra> since i have all settings centralized available in gconf oon the server, the vnc part is fairly easy
[11:01] <mwright1night> I login to my terminal servers remotely using FreeNX then I use TeacherTool in interactive spy mode to do helpdesk
[11:01] <mwright1night> I even do it from my 3G Mobile phone internet card which has a lot of latency and it works ok
[11:02] <ogra> alison, try another login and look if a line starting with: "ssh command line:" shows up
[11:02] <ogra> alison, on the login manager .... (ctrl-alt-f7)
[11:03] <ogra> mwright1night, i hope we'll have freeNX in ubuntu before dapper to have it in the next release
[11:03] <alison> ok, I was trying that just now. I think my previous login attempts might not have been logged, because I just restarted the client after it hung with the clock icon
[11:03] <ogra> they guy working on it for us had some other priorities so it didnt make breezy
[11:04] <ogra> alison, yes, if you rebooted the client the log will be empty
[11:06] <alison> ogra, yes, there's an ssh command line line.
[11:06] <ogra> can you post it here ? 
[11:07] <mwright1night> ok ogra.. I appreciate your fine work,
[11:07] <mwright1night> I have to goto work now
[11:07] <alison> Issh command line: ['ssh', '-v', '-X', '-c', 'blowfish-cbc,aes128-cbc,3des-cbc','alison@192.168.101.254', 'env', 'LTSP_CLIENT="ltsp"', '/etc/X11/Xsession', ';','kill -1 $PPID'] 
[11:07] <mwright1night> thanks for the update,  I will proceed to install edubuntu, cause we're going live for next year
[11:07] <alison> *ssh, not lssh
[11:08] <mwright1night> and it sounds like a safe bet that Teachers Pet will be ready
[11:08] <ogra> gah, where does it get the SERVER variable from ? 
[11:08] <mwright1night> I'm going to use original ltsp 4.2 as Muekow/ubuntu isn't quite mature enough yet
[11:08] <ogra> mwright1night, until next year ? haha, indeed
[11:10] <ogra> mwright1night, oh, note that teachers pet will be written for ubuntu ltsp.... it wont support tcp X connections, only ssh like ubuntu's ltsp
[11:12] <ogra> alison, are you sure you havent set the server in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf ?
[11:12] <alison> I did a filesystem-wide search for lts.conf. the only place it shows up is in the docs as an example file
[11:12] <ogra> hmm, really strange
[11:13] <ogra> i have no idea where the 192.168.101.254 comes from
[11:13] <alison> that's the default ltsp server ip address, right?
[11:14] <ogra> it shouldnt be....
[11:14] <ogra> the default should be your ltsp server 192.168.2.1
[11:14] <alison> ok...
[11:14] <mwright1night> oh that's bad
[11:15] <mwright1night> looks like I"m not using Teachers pet
[11:15] <mwright1night> dam
[11:15] <ogra> mwright1night, look like youre using teacherTool then 
[11:15] <ogra> *looks
[11:15] <mwright1night> yep
[11:16] <mwright1night> main thing is ltsp 4.2 (not yet released) will dynamically do local devices very nicely and local apps very nicely
[11:16] <mwright1night> And that is something of high value to my setups
[11:16] <ogra> edubuntu wil do that too in our next release
[11:16] <mwright1night> I"m sure when April edition comes out they will be parallel in functionality
[11:17] <mwright1night> Will jim be adopting the ssh tunnelled X setup that is in ubuntu
[11:17] <ogra> i'll integrate hotplug/udev/hal/dbus with the server for the next release
[11:18] <ogra> as weel as i'm working on ssh tunneled gstreamer setups for audio support through theora streaming...
[11:18] <mwright1night> cool this is very exciting
[11:18] <mwright1night> LTSP + OO 2.0 = BillyGs demise
[11:18] <ogra> we're working very tight together
[11:19] <mwright1night> thanks again -- it's a fine contribution, must run to setup the training network @ work
[11:19] <mwright1night> cya
[11:19] <ogra> the ltsp conference is held "inside" the ubuntu conference in motreal in two weeks
[11:20] <ogra> alison, ok... lets try what happens if you set the SERVER variable in lts.conf...
[11:21] <alison> so presumably I can fix this with an lts.conf?
[11:21] <alison> ok
[11:21] <ogra> alison, hit alt-f2 on the server
[11:21] <alison> ok
[11:21] <ogra> paste or type : gksudo "gedit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf"
[11:22] <ogra> add/paste: [Default]  SERVER         = "192.168.2.1"
[11:22] <ogra> save he file and reboot the client...
[11:22] <ogra> *the
[11:23] <alison> wait... what the heck... there's stuff there
[11:23] <alison> our infamous 192.168.101.254
[11:24] <alison> sorry, I must be going crazy.
[11:24] <alison> I thought I checked for a file there
[11:24] <alison> so I only need the one SERVER line?
[11:24] <alison> or maybe I should just try deleting this?
[11:25] <alison> the file, I mean
[11:26] <ogra> yes, delete it... except you have a non us keymap, then add at least the contens as described on http://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPClientKeymap
[11:26] <ogra> but wipe everything else from that file
[11:26] <alison> ok, keymap is us. file deleted.
[11:26] <ogra> if you use a us keyboard, just delete it
[11:26] <ogra> :)
[11:27] <alison> do I need to restart anything?
[11:28] <ogra> yes, the client... it reads lts.conf on boot
[11:28] <alison> ok
[11:30] <ogra> if you want to lock the root password for the clients again (makes sense for security) run "sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd -l"
[11:32] <alison> SUCCESS!!
[11:32] <ogra> YAY !!
[11:32] <ogra> :)
[11:33] <ajmitch_> what's going on? :)
[11:33] <ogra> we celebrate a fixed ltsp setup
[11:33] <alison> I got my first successful client login
[11:35] <alison> ok... is there anything special I have to do to get internet access going through the second network card on the server?
[11:35] <ogra> alison, there is a howto... noted at the bottom of the Install notes (see /topic)
[11:35] <alison> ok
[11:35] <ogra> argh...
[11:36] <ogra> no its not noted there
[11:36] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup
[11:36] <ogra> ^^^ at the bottom there
[11:37] <alison> great. thanks.
[11:37] <alison> and thank you so much for your help, ogra. there are going to be some really happy kids in a school in Harlem, NY this week.
[11:38] <ogra> cool
[11:38] <ogra> thats what i work for, thanks :)
[11:39] <alison> Isaac Pflaum, the president of the non-profit I'm working for (heragroup.org), wishes to thank you, too. we've been trying to get this project running since August.
[11:39] <ogra> if you ave any probs, just come back and ask :) i built edubuntu, i know all internals :)
[11:40] <ogra> *have
[11:40] <alison> :) thanks
[11:40] <runaway> any news on 5.10 ppc?
[11:41] <ogra> runaway, there wont be one officially, it didnt recieve enough testing
[11:41] <runaway> ever?
[11:41] <ogra> 5.10
[11:41] <runaway> thanx
[11:41] <ogra> but there is a unofficial version
[11:41] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/
[11:42] <ogra> holds the released isos... the ppc default install has a bad bug in ltsp... if you dont want to use ltsp, that image should be fine 
[11:43] <runaway> i just want to see the disto. servers would be amd anyway
[11:43] <ogra> ok
[11:43] <ogra> do you have a running breezy on your ppc ? 
[11:43] <ogra> the just install dubuntu-desktop :)
[11:43] <ogra> *then
[11:44] <runaway> downloaded but not installed
[11:44] <ogra> edubuntu-desktop indeed
[11:45] <runaway> that sounds easier
[11:45] <ogra> just install breezy and edubuntu-desktop on top... then you got the same as the workstation install provides
[11:45] <runaway> gotcha
[11:45] <ogra> edubuntu-server wont work on ppc, it depends on a working ltsp...
[11:48] <Jeromee> rawr.
[11:48] <Jeromee> ogra, sup
[11:48] <ogra> dinner now :)
[11:48] <Jeromee> boooo
[11:49] <ogra> :)
[11:58] <petterah> hi, i have a question, is edubuntu something like skolelinux? is it ltsp and lessdisks enabled ubuntu out of the box?
[11:59] <ogra> not lessdisks, no... but for the rest, yes
[12:02] <ogra> also we didnt target more than one classroom with this first release... managing a school and centralized user management is target of our next release
[12:03] <petterah> ok thanks ogra