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| {slacky} | hello Riddell | 12:17 |
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| Riddell | {slacky}: ! | 12:17 |
| {slacky} | Riddell: the problem, at least with 5.10 live CD is that I can't set the gateway | 12:18 |
| Riddell | {slacky}: hmm, that's not good | 12:18 |
| {slacky} | when I give "route -n" from konsole I see Kubuntu doesn't set the gatway I specifyed | 12:18 |
| {slacky} | so I have to use "sudo route add default gw IP" | 12:19 |
| Riddell | {slacky}: the quick way to get round it is to set it in /etc/network/interfaces and ifup ifdown | 12:19 |
| Riddell | but obviously that won't help all our users | 12:20 |
| {slacky} | expecially if you release a new distro 2 days ago :( | 12:20 |
| {slacky} | Riddell: can you check this bug and report it? | 12:24 |
| Riddell | {slacky}: I've added it to my todo list (which means I won't get round to it until after 3.5beta2) | 12:25 |
| {slacky} | Riddell: well ok... you have 6 months to fix it if 2 release per year | 12:26 |
| {slacky} | Riddell: you didn't inserted KSniffer into Kubuntu because is too young and has very few features? :) | 12:26 |
| {slacky} | Riddell: you didn't insert KSniffer into Kubuntu because is too young and has very few features? :) | 12:27 |
| Riddell | {slacky}: ksniffer is in the repositories but we only have space for very few applications on the CD | 12:27 |
| Riddell | and if you need a sniffer then you have internet access anyway | 12:27 |
| {slacky} | Riddell: breezy is final realease 5.10? | 12:28 |
| Riddell | yep | 12:28 |
| {slacky} | Riddell: well into the DVD too? | 12:28 |
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| Riddell | DVD is final too if that's what you mean | 12:28 |
| Riddell | we would have to get ksniffer into main to get it onto the DVD, which is quite possible | 12:29 |
| {slacky} | no I intend I used cd live and I've got to look for a repository where there was ksniffer | 12:29 |
| Tm_T | {slacky}: ! | 12:29 |
| {slacky} | DVD has more space :), but they are just questions... I know ksniffer is very very young and not so usable | 12:30 |
| {slacky} | Tm_T: hello | 12:30 |
| {slacky} | Riddell: I tryed to look for ksniffer into the standard repository and it was not there, but I hope to fix more bug possible, add some feature to release 0.2 :) | 12:31 |
| Riddell | {slacky}: it's in the universe repository | 12:32 |
| {slacky} | Riddell: ah ok | 12:32 |
| Tm_T | {slacky}: what's up | 12:32 |
| {slacky} | Riddell: have you received my reply email to your email? | 12:33 |
| Riddell | {slacky}: yes | 12:35 |
| Riddell | I also have 1877 unanswered e-mails just now though, anything I should answer in it? | 12:35 |
| {slacky} | Riddell: :) | 12:36 |
| {slacky} | Riddell: you wrote: You should use XDG menus so it appears in Gnome's menu... just this I need to know... because I use direclty calling kdesu into .desktop file | 12:39 |
| Riddell | oh aye | 12:40 |
| Riddell | where is ksniffer in SVN? | 12:41 |
| Riddell | trunk/playground/network/ksniffer/ | 12:41 |
| {slacky} | yes Riddell | 12:41 |
| Riddell | {slacky}: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/394858 | 12:45 |
| Riddell | that's the diff | 12:45 |
| Riddell | which I can commit if you wish | 12:46 |
| {slacky} | Riddell: but you removed kdesu | 12:47 |
| {slacky} | if you remove this | 12:48 |
| Riddell | and added X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true | 12:48 |
| {slacky} | ah | 12:48 |
| Riddell | not sure the details but that's how all KDE does it | 12:48 |
| {slacky} | mmm | 12:48 |
| {slacky} | Riddell: if this call "kdesu ksniffer" when I click in the Internet/ksniffer menu ok you can commit it | 12:49 |
| {slacky} | but I'll try it and commit | 12:49 |
| {slacky} | thanks | 12:49 |
| Riddell | it does, honest :) | 12:50 |
| {slacky} | ok | 12:50 |
| {slacky} | commit it | 12:50 |
| Riddell | woo, my first ksniffer commit | 12:52 |
| {slacky} | :) | 12:52 |
| {slacky} | Riddell: -kdelnkdir = $(kde_appsdir)/Internet | 12:54 |
| {slacky} | Riddell: this will remove KSniffer from Internet menu? | 12:54 |
| Riddell | Categories=Qt;KDE;Network; adds it back again in the XDG/freedesktop standard way | 12:56 |
| Riddell | so it'll appear in gnome and xfce etc | 12:56 |
| {slacky} | Riddell: and the KDE menu? | 12:57 |
| Riddell | of course :) | 12:58 |
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| {slacky} | Riddell: I removed KSniffer from the KDE menu, updated my repository, installed changes and it doesn't appear in KDE menu anymore | 12:59 |
| {slacky} | Riddell: what's wrong? | 12:59 |
| Riddell | {slacky}: how did you remove it? | 12:59 |
| Riddell | where is ksniffer.desktop installed? | 01:00 |
| {slacky} | with the Settings/Menu Editor | 01:00 |
| Riddell | well if you removed it then it won't come back | 01:01 |
| Riddell | rm -r ~/.config ~/.local | 01:01 |
| {slacky} | but I made "make install" | 01:01 |
| {slacky} | ah I understand | 01:01 |
| {slacky} | you put it into the gnome menu that KDE look for it into the Gnome menu | 01:02 |
| {slacky} | sigh | 01:02 |
| {slacky} | I don't like this | 01:02 |
| Riddell | no, it's not in the gnome menu, it's in the freedesktop XDG menu rather than the legacy KDE menu | 01:03 |
| Riddell | all modern KDE apps do the same | 01:03 |
| Riddell | ls /usr/share/applications/kde to see them all | 01:03 |
| {slacky} | mmm ok | 01:04 |
| {slacky} | I've seen it | 01:04 |
| {slacky} | good night Riddell | 01:12 |
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| === Mez yawns @ Riddell | ||
| Mez | hows things going | 01:50 |
| Riddell | compiling kde 3.5 beta 2 | 01:50 |
| Tm_T | :o | 01:50 |
| Riddell | kdepim is doing evil things and not linking to qt | 01:50 |
| Mez | sounds fun | 01:51 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: forget it, I don't need it anyway (I compile it myself all the time ;p) | 01:51 |
| Mez | whats the updates from beta1 | 01:51 |
| Riddell | Mez: how do you mean? | 01:51 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: hmm | 01:51 |
| Riddell | tempting | 01:51 |
| Tm_T | haha | 01:51 |
| Mez | what changes have there been from kdebeta1 -> kde 2.5 beta1 | 01:51 |
| Mez | what changes have there been from kde3.5beta1 -> kde 3.5 beta2 * | 01:52 |
| Riddell | Mez: no idea | 01:52 |
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| Tm_T | Riddell: I think I might "lend" some cpu time, can I help compiling packages? | 01:57 |
| Tm_T | I would like to try do some :) | 01:57 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KDE35Packages | 01:59 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: doing it atm | 01:59 |
| Riddell | http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kde35beta2/ | 01:59 |
| Riddell | give kdeadmin a shot | 02:00 |
| Tm_T | :) | 02:00 |
| Tm_T | hmh, this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot is taking longer than I expected | 02:09 |
| Tm_T | hmm, maybe I will install kubuntu to my secondary workstation and start use it as packagefactory :p | 02:11 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: it's a long download | 02:12 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: looks like it | 02:12 |
| Tm_T | doesn't matter, can't sleep anyway | 02:12 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: yesterday it just sat there and hung doing nothing forever, killing it and restarting it got it going but there's always some pause at the start | 02:12 |
| Tm_T | :) | 02:12 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: is it downloading lots of stuff or just sitting there? | 02:12 |
| Tm_T | downloading | 02:12 |
| Tm_T | ah, done | 02:13 |
| Tm_T | next step -> | 02:13 |
| Tm_T | I: Base system installed successfully. | 02:13 |
| Tm_T | good to know :p | 02:13 |
| Riddell | cool | 02:14 |
| Riddell | I don't bother with the dchroot stuff | 02:14 |
| Tm_T | :) | 02:14 |
| Riddell | I just do plain chroot and work as root | 02:14 |
| Tm_T | hmm | 02:15 |
| Tm_T | og no | 02:15 |
| Tm_T | oh | 02:15 |
| Riddell | ? | 02:15 |
| Tm_T | hmm, nothing actually, got gpg errors.. ofcourse, I'm jsut installing gnugpg :p | 02:16 |
| Tm_T | -g | 02:16 |
| Tm_T | ok, I really need some food -> | 02:17 |
| Riddell | I ignore those | 02:17 |
| Riddell | but installing gpg is the other way | 02:17 |
| Tm_T | :) | 02:18 |
| Tm_T | food -> | 02:18 |
| Riddell | verwilst: I got kdenetwork done using your packages thanks | 02:23 |
| Tm_T | hmh | 02:33 |
| Tm_T | there's something strange in DebootstrapChroot guide | 02:33 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: what's that? | 02:34 |
| Tm_T | Next, we have to install sudo package to be able to use it being in chroot: | 02:34 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: that's only if you use dchroot | 02:34 |
| Riddell | which I don't | 02:34 |
| Tm_T | ok | 02:34 |
| Riddell | feel free to note that on the wiki | 02:34 |
| Riddell | I wrote that page and someone did a not very great job of changing it to dchroot | 02:35 |
| Tm_T | but, strange thing is: sudo apt-get install sudo | 02:35 |
| Riddell | yeah :) | 02:35 |
| Tm_T | err, what's that?! | 02:35 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: ok, so what's your way? | 02:35 |
| Riddell | yeah baby, kdepim is mine | 02:36 |
| Tm_T | :) | 02:36 |
| Tm_T | keep it, I don't wan't it anyway | 02:36 |
| Tm_T | ;) | 02:36 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: is there "your version" of that guide somewhere? | 02:36 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: don't use dchroot, just sudo chroot /var/foo | 02:36 |
| Tm_T | ok | 02:36 |
| Riddell | revert the changes whoever made to it :) | 02:36 |
| Tm_T | hm? | 02:38 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: ok, I think I'd do better if I try to get my head straight and do it again with better luck :p | 02:39 |
| Tm_T | I'm tired, in drugs an in pains | 02:39 |
| Tm_T | not that good combination imho | 02:39 |
| Riddell | the difference is just that dchroot dose cleverness to make you chroot as the same user, normal chroot doesn't | 02:39 |
| Riddell | I've never seen any need for dchroot | 02:40 |
| Tm_T | :) | 02:41 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: so what you're saying, "your way" is otherwise similar but you don't do those password etc hassles ? | 02:44 |
| Riddell | exactly | 02:44 |
| Tm_T | ok | 02:45 |
| Tm_T | make things easier =) | 02:45 |
| Tm_T | I'm root anyway | 02:45 |
| Tm_T | I think there's something really wrong in that guide | 02:46 |
| Riddell | please do fix it :) | 02:47 |
| Tm_T | well, I don't know what is the right way | 02:47 |
| Tm_T | I just have feeling that there's errors | 02:47 |
| Tm_T | like that fstab thing, should I modify my normal fstab or the one "in" chroot | 02:48 |
| Tm_T | I don't think that first option is correct | 02:48 |
| Tm_T | but that's what is that guide saying | 02:48 |
| Riddell | ? | 02:49 |
| Riddell | don't touch fstab | 02:49 |
| Tm_T | I won't | 02:49 |
| Riddell | oh I see | 02:49 |
| Riddell | well if you want to access your /home from within the chroot you can but again it's not worth the hassle | 02:50 |
| Tm_T | yup | 02:50 |
| Tm_T | so no fstab thing or mounting... | 02:50 |
| Riddell | no | 02:50 |
| Tm_T | next step then | 02:51 |
| Tm_T | ok, now I give up, my irssi have nice waves... | 02:52 |
| Tm_T | staring the ceiling -> | 02:52 |
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| freeflying | Riddell : are you here | 06:33 |
| Tm_T | he's spirit remains with us | 06:36 |
| freeflying | :) | 06:38 |
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| Tm_T | his? | 09:20 |
| Tm_T | anyway | 09:20 |
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| pef | hello | 12:56 |
| pef | can I work on this bug ? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/qtparted/+bug/3212 | 12:56 |
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| Riddell | pef: yes please | 01:35 |
| Riddell | pef: dapper isn't open yet as far as I know but it should be soon enough | 01:35 |
| Riddell | all new launchpad dapper that is | 01:35 |
| pef | Riddell: ok :) since how many time kde apps uses unsermake ? | 01:36 |
| Tm_T | hmm, "switch user" doesn't seem to work | 01:39 |
| Riddell | pef: for how long? over 2 years | 01:39 |
| Riddell | but it's not needed unless you do KDE 4 | 01:40 |
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| pef | Riddell: Do you think I should switch from debhelper to cdbs for qtparted ? | 01:41 |
| Riddell | pef: no, keep as close as possible to debian so it's easier for them to adopt back | 01:41 |
| Riddell | and e-mail the debain maintainer once it's in ubuntu | 01:41 |
| pef | Riddell: isn't this process automatic by utnubu project ? | 01:42 |
| Riddell | pef: possibly I'm not sure, but it's still polite to talk about it with the debian maintainer | 01:43 |
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| pef | Riddell: ok, will do it | 01:44 |
| Riddell | oh and check it isn't already in debian of course | 01:45 |
| pef | Riddell: the 0.4.5 isn't present, only 0.4.4.5 | 01:47 |
| Riddell | ok, so grab the debian latest and start working from that since I don't think there's and ubuntu changes to the package | 01:49 |
| Riddell | s/and/any/ | 01:49 |
| pef | Riddell: why not working directly to the most recent release ? (0.4.5) as requested by the bug report | 01:50 |
| Riddell | I ment for the debian packaging | 01:53 |
| Riddell | use debian's latest packaging and throw that onto the latest qtparted | 01:53 |
| Riddell | and voila | 01:53 |
| pef | oh ok :) | 01:53 |
| pef | Riddell: but I will lose debian/changelog entries made for Ubuntu | 01:54 |
| Riddell | hmm, yes just saw that | 01:54 |
| Riddell | however the changelog says it's in sync with debian for everything else so you just need to merge the changelogs | 01:55 |
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| Riddell | 'changed "su-to-root" to "gksudo"' hum | 01:56 |
| Riddell | Exec=/usr/bin/gksudo /usr/sbin/qtparted eek! | 01:56 |
| Riddell | evilness | 01:56 |
| \sh | who is freeflying | 01:56 |
| \sh | (zhengpeng-hou) | 01:57 |
| \sh | ? | 01:57 |
| Riddell | \sh: nice chinese dude who's been in here a few times the last couple of days | 01:57 |
| \sh | Riddell: k..for approving | 01:57 |
| Riddell | \sh: dunno, he says he'll update scim and package skim so he sounds cool, and I guess we can unapprove him if he disappears off the internet | 01:58 |
| pef | Riddell: will take care of all that :) | 01:58 |
| \sh | Riddell: sure...approved him | 01:58 |
| Riddell | pef: use kdesu or X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true | 01:58 |
| \sh | kdesu should be the right answer to qtparted ;) | 01:58 |
| pef | Riddell: I know, same stuff as kvpnc ;) | 01:58 |
| \sh | Riddell: I'll start to package and test new python-qt/kde3 stuff tomorrow | 01:59 |
| Riddell | pef: make sure its using whatever our latest libparted is | 01:59 |
| Riddell | \sh: there's a new python-qt? | 02:00 |
| \sh | Riddell: yepp.. | 02:00 |
| \sh | Riddell: and a new pre-release snapshot of pykde | 02:00 |
| Riddell | fun | 02:00 |
| \sh | Riddell: but...any possibility to re-enable python-kde3 building in kdebindings? and just dropping python-dcop stuff? | 02:01 |
| \sh | Riddell: I could wait for as well for the next release of pykde...for having kde>=3.4.2/kde3.5 support | 02:01 |
| \sh | Riddell: upstream wise ;) | 02:02 |
| pef | Riddell: autotools-dev stuff into debian diff.gz, erf :/ | 02:02 |
| Riddell | \sh: that's possible but is the version in kdebindings always the latest pykde? | 02:03 |
| Riddell | pef: happens to the best of us | 02:03 |
| pef | :] | 02:04 |
| Riddell | \sh: why drop python-dcop? | 02:04 |
| \sh | Riddell: well it should be, but I don't know if kde upstream do take care about pykde stuff...I would like to see it to be taken over by kde upstream and maintaining by kde upstream as well | 02:04 |
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| \sh | Riddell: cause python-dcop (as I read it in the configure.{ac/in} the last time in 3.4.2) has only python2.2/2.3 build-deps possible and not python2.4 | 02:05 |
| \sh | Riddell: so if you enable python-kde3 at the same time as python-dcop it clashes with the python versions...python-kde3 can't use 2.2 anymore | 02:06 |
| \sh | Riddell: it's a mess, that's why python-kde3 is not enabled in kdebindings somehow | 02:07 |
| Riddell | python-dcop depends on python 2.4 | 02:07 |
| Riddell | of course that doesn't mean it works | 02:07 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: who's that then? | 02:07 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: He was on Kubuntu Forums | 02:08 |
| jpatrick | Then he IMed me for a while | 02:08 |
| \sh | Riddell: ok..I'll test with 3.4.3 tomorrow.if I can enable python-kde3 and python-dcop together, fine...so we have to make sure, latest python-kde3 is in kdesvn | 02:08 |
| Riddell | \sh: kdebindings 3.5 beta 2 if it's any help http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kde35beta2/kdebindings-3.4.92.tar.bz2 | 02:09 |
| \sh | Riddell: I'll do two test cases...one with stable breezy kde and with kde3.5beta2...I mean it won't make so much difference, cause python-kde3 will not support 3.4.2/3.4.3/>=3.5 until next official release+1 | 02:10 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: Apparently he's supporting Linux in China... | 02:11 |
| === \sh has to reinstall his system tomorrow somehow...to a real clean env to work with...this install is totally messed up | ||
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| Riddell | \sh: if python-kde is always behind kde it doesn't make sense to use kdebindings which is released with kde | 02:13 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: nice guy or nutty hanger on? | 02:13 |
| Riddell | \sh: chroot is your friend | 02:14 |
| Riddell | Lathiat: awooga | 02:14 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: he's on the channel just now so be nice in what you say :) | 02:14 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: :) | 02:14 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: nice guy overall | 02:14 |
| \sh | Riddell: well...yes chroot...but my install is a complete mess ;) | 02:15 |
| Riddell | excellent, lets approve him for kubuntu team then | 02:15 |
| \sh | Riddell: that's why I want to have it maintained by kde upstream... | 02:15 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: first time he spoke to a foreigner | 02:15 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: ooh, exciting | 02:15 |
| \sh | Riddell: and everything is somehow slow | 02:15 |
| \sh | regarding my new install of the other laptop.. | 02:16 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: Have you seen this: http://kubuntuforums.net/index.php?topic=650.0 ? | 02:16 |
| Riddell | I like how people have whole blogs dedicated to kubuntu | 02:16 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: nope | 02:18 |
| pef | Riddell: can you try to build qtparted-0.4.5 from upstream tarball ?http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/qtparted/qtparted-0.4.5.tar.bz2?download I have a fatal error running unsermake | 02:19 |
| Riddell | pef: don't use unsermake then | 02:20 |
| Riddell | uninstall unsermake | 02:20 |
| pef | Riddell: and add it to Conflicts ? | 02:21 |
| Riddell | pef: yeah | 02:21 |
| Riddell | then start again with a fresh buildtree, mixing unsermake and automake can mess things up | 02:22 |
| pef | Riddell: mm some files were generated by unsermake, so I can't switch so easily, I thing I have to write a patch to delete unsermake from shell scripts used to generate Makefile.* | 02:31 |
| Riddell | oh, qtparted does use unsermake | 02:44 |
| Riddell | interesting, must be the first program to do that by default | 02:45 |
| Riddell | INSTALL file doesn't mention it, I wonder if that was done by mistake then | 02:45 |
| Riddell | but it doesn't compile | 02:50 |
| pef | http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1338759&forum_id=247293 | 02:51 |
| pef | maybe corrected in the cvs | 02:51 |
| freeflying | hi you all | 02:54 |
| Riddell | pef: it compiles fine if not using unsermae | 02:55 |
| Riddell | unsermake | 02:55 |
| Riddell | pef: best thing would be to run make -f admin/Makefile.common on the origional source then recreate the .orig | 02:55 |
| Riddell | not that in the changelog and don't use unsermake | 02:55 |
| Riddell | and tell upstream of their mistake | 02:55 |
| Riddell | afternoon freeflying | 02:55 |
| pef | Riddell: ok, thank you :) | 02:56 |
| freeflying | inow i want to build scim-qtimm for breezy | 02:56 |
| freeflying | but it seemed the qt should be patch | 02:56 |
| freeflying | but the qt in breezy doesn't patched | 02:57 |
| Riddell | freeflying: we can patch it though for dapper | 02:58 |
| freeflying | then i shall patch it for myself use own | 02:59 |
| Riddell | freeflying: please do, let us know if it all works and we'll get the patch into kubuntu | 03:02 |
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| pef | Riddell: can I use cdbs patch system on a debhelper rules ? | 05:01 |
| Riddell | pef: I doubt it, it's not hard to add it to debhelper | 05:02 |
| Riddell | just need to find a package that still uses it and copy | 05:02 |
| Riddell | koffice | 05:03 |
| Riddell | copy the # Apply Debian specific patches in debian/rules (and the unapply one too) | 05:03 |
| pef | mm | 05:04 |
| pef | I don't have some targets | 05:05 |
| pef | like config.status: foo | 05:05 |
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| Riddell | ignore it then :) | 05:09 |
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| pef | Riddell: what's important with dpatch ? patch before building and unpatch before cleaning ? | 05:47 |
| Riddell | pef: sounds about right | 05:53 |
| pef | Riddell: I don't fully understand why the dpatch man add multiples commands to call dpatch and multiples dpatch specific targets ? | 05:54 |
| Riddell | I've never used dpatch | 05:57 |
| Riddell | qt does | 05:57 |
| pef | Riddell: can you review my package later ? | 06:12 |
| Riddell | pef: of course | 06:17 |
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| pef | Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=794 | 07:03 |
| pef | have to go, bye ! | 08:04 |
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