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[12:17] <{slacky}> hello Riddell 
[12:17] <Riddell> {slacky}: !
[12:18] <{slacky}> Riddell: the problem, at least with 5.10 live CD is that I can't set the gateway
[12:18] <Riddell> {slacky}: hmm, that's not good
[12:18] <{slacky}> when I give "route -n" from konsole I see Kubuntu doesn't set the gatway I specifyed
[12:19] <{slacky}> so I have to use "sudo route add default gw IP"
[12:19] <Riddell> {slacky}: the quick way to get round it is to set it in /etc/network/interfaces and ifup ifdown
[12:20] <Riddell> but obviously that won't help all our users
[12:20] <{slacky}> expecially if you release a new distro 2 days ago :(
[12:24] <{slacky}> Riddell: can you check this bug and report it?
[12:25] <Riddell> {slacky}: I've added it to my todo list (which means I won't get round to it until after 3.5beta2)
[12:26] <{slacky}> Riddell: well ok... you have 6 months to fix it if 2 release per year
[12:26] <{slacky}> Riddell: you didn't inserted KSniffer into Kubuntu because is too young and has very few features? :)
[12:27] <{slacky}> Riddell: you didn't insert KSniffer into Kubuntu because is too young and has very few features? :)
[12:27] <Riddell> {slacky}: ksniffer is in the repositories but we only have space for very few applications on the CD
[12:27] <Riddell> and if you need a sniffer then you have internet access anyway
[12:28] <{slacky}> Riddell: breezy is final realease 5.10?
[12:28] <Riddell> yep
[12:28] <{slacky}> Riddell: well into the DVD too?
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[12:28] <Riddell> DVD is final too if that's what you mean
[12:29] <Riddell> we would have to get ksniffer into main to get it onto the DVD, which is quite possible
[12:29] <{slacky}> no I intend I used cd live and I've got to look for a repository where there was ksniffer
[12:29] <Tm_T> {slacky}: !
[12:30] <{slacky}> DVD has more space :), but they are just questions... I know ksniffer is very very young and not so usable
[12:30] <{slacky}> Tm_T: hello
[12:31] <{slacky}> Riddell: I tryed to look for ksniffer into the standard repository and it was not there, but I hope to fix more bug possible, add some feature to release 0.2 :)
[12:32] <Riddell> {slacky}: it's in the universe repository
[12:32] <{slacky}> Riddell: ah ok
[12:32] <Tm_T> {slacky}: what's up
[12:33] <{slacky}> Riddell: have you received my reply email to your email?
[12:35] <Riddell> {slacky}: yes 
[12:35] <Riddell> I also have 1877 unanswered e-mails just now though, anything I should answer in it?
[12:36] <{slacky}> Riddell: :)
[12:39] <{slacky}> Riddell: you wrote: You should use XDG menus so it appears in Gnome's menu... just this I need to know... because I use direclty calling kdesu into .desktop file
[12:40] <Riddell> oh aye
[12:41] <Riddell> where is ksniffer in SVN?
[12:41] <Riddell> trunk/playground/network/ksniffer/
[12:41] <{slacky}> yes Riddell 
[12:45] <Riddell> {slacky}: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/394858
[12:45] <Riddell> that's the diff
[12:46] <Riddell> which I can commit if you wish
[12:47] <{slacky}> Riddell: but you removed kdesu
[12:48] <{slacky}> if you remove this
[12:48] <Riddell> and added X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true
[12:48] <{slacky}> ah
[12:48] <Riddell> not sure the details but that's how all KDE does it
[12:48] <{slacky}> mmm
[12:49] <{slacky}> Riddell: if this call "kdesu ksniffer" when I click in the Internet/ksniffer menu ok you can commit it
[12:49] <{slacky}> but I'll try it and commit
[12:49] <{slacky}> thanks
[12:50] <Riddell> it does, honest :)
[12:50] <{slacky}> ok
[12:50] <{slacky}> commit it
[12:52] <Riddell> woo, my first ksniffer commit
[12:52] <{slacky}> :)
[12:54] <{slacky}> Riddell: -kdelnkdir   = $(kde_appsdir)/Internet
[12:54] <{slacky}> Riddell: this will remove KSniffer from Internet menu?
[12:56] <Riddell> Categories=Qt;KDE;Network;  adds it back again in the XDG/freedesktop standard way
[12:56] <Riddell> so it'll appear in gnome and xfce etc
[12:57] <{slacky}> Riddell: and the KDE menu?
[12:58] <Riddell> of course :)
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[12:59] <{slacky}> Riddell: I removed KSniffer from the KDE menu, updated my repository, installed changes and it doesn't appear in KDE menu anymore
[12:59] <{slacky}> Riddell: what's wrong?
[12:59] <Riddell> {slacky}: how did you remove it?
[01:00] <Riddell> where is ksniffer.desktop installed?
[01:00] <{slacky}> with the Settings/Menu Editor
[01:01] <Riddell> well if you removed it then it won't come back
[01:01] <Riddell> rm -r ~/.config ~/.local
[01:01] <{slacky}> but I made "make install"
[01:01] <{slacky}> ah I understand
[01:02] <{slacky}> you put it into the gnome menu that KDE look for it into the Gnome menu
[01:02] <{slacky}> sigh
[01:02] <{slacky}> I don't like this
[01:03] <Riddell> no, it's not in the gnome menu, it's in the freedesktop XDG menu rather than the legacy KDE menu
[01:03] <Riddell> all modern KDE apps do the same
[01:03] <Riddell> ls /usr/share/applications/kde to see them all
[01:04] <{slacky}> mmm ok
[01:04] <{slacky}> I've seen it
[01:12] <{slacky}> good night Riddell 
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=== Mez yawns @ Riddell
[01:50] <Mez> hows things going
[01:50] <Riddell> compiling kde 3.5 beta 2
[01:50] <Tm_T> :o
[01:50] <Riddell> kdepim is doing evil things and not linking to qt
[01:51] <Mez> sounds fun
[01:51] <Tm_T> Riddell: forget it, I don't need it anyway (I compile it myself all the time ;p)
[01:51] <Mez> whats the updates from beta1
[01:51] <Riddell> Mez: how do you mean?
[01:51] <Riddell> Tm_T: hmm
[01:51] <Riddell> tempting
[01:51] <Tm_T> haha
[01:51] <Mez> what changes have there been from kdebeta1 -> kde 2.5 beta1
[01:52] <Mez> what changes have there been from kde3.5beta1 -> kde 3.5 beta2 * 
[01:52] <Riddell> Mez: no idea
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[01:57] <Tm_T> Riddell: I think I might "lend" some cpu time, can I help compiling packages?
[01:57] <Tm_T> I would like to try do some :)
[01:59] <Riddell> Tm_T: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KDE35Packages
[01:59] <Tm_T> Riddell: doing it atm
[01:59] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kde35beta2/
[02:00] <Riddell> give kdeadmin a shot
[02:00] <Tm_T> :)
[02:09] <Tm_T> hmh, this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot is taking longer than I expected
[02:11] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe I will install kubuntu to my secondary workstation and start use it as packagefactory :p
[02:12] <Riddell> Tm_T: it's a long download
[02:12] <Tm_T> Riddell: looks like it
[02:12] <Tm_T> doesn't matter, can't sleep anyway
[02:12] <Riddell> Tm_T: yesterday it just sat there and hung doing nothing forever, killing it and restarting it got it going but there's always some pause at the start
[02:12] <Tm_T> :)
[02:12] <Riddell> Tm_T: is it downloading lots of stuff or just sitting there?
[02:12] <Tm_T> downloading
[02:13] <Tm_T> ah, done
[02:13] <Tm_T> next step ->
[02:13] <Tm_T> I: Base system installed successfully.
[02:13] <Tm_T> good to know :p
[02:14] <Riddell> cool
[02:14] <Riddell> I don't bother with the dchroot stuff
[02:14] <Tm_T> :)
[02:14] <Riddell> I just do plain chroot and work as root
[02:15] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:15] <Tm_T> og no
[02:15] <Tm_T> oh
[02:15] <Riddell> ?
[02:16] <Tm_T> hmm, nothing actually, got gpg errors.. ofcourse, I'm jsut installing gnugpg :p
[02:16] <Tm_T> -g
[02:17] <Tm_T> ok, I really need some food ->
[02:17] <Riddell> I ignore those
[02:17] <Riddell> but installing gpg is the other way
[02:18] <Tm_T> :)
[02:18] <Tm_T> food ->
[02:23] <Riddell> verwilst: I got kdenetwork done using your packages thanks
[02:33] <Tm_T> hmh
[02:33] <Tm_T> there's something strange in DebootstrapChroot guide
[02:34] <Riddell> Tm_T: what's that?
[02:34] <Tm_T> Next, we have to install sudo package to be able to use it being in chroot:
[02:34] <Riddell> Tm_T: that's only if you use dchroot
[02:34] <Riddell> which I don't
[02:34] <Tm_T> ok
[02:34] <Riddell> feel free to note that on the wiki
[02:35] <Riddell> I wrote that page and someone did a not very great job of changing it to dchroot
[02:35] <Tm_T> but, strange thing is: sudo apt-get install sudo
[02:35] <Riddell> yeah :)
[02:35] <Tm_T> err, what's that?!
[02:35] <Tm_T> Riddell: ok, so what's your way?
[02:36] <Riddell> yeah baby, kdepim is mine
[02:36] <Tm_T> :)
[02:36] <Tm_T> keep it, I don't wan't it anyway
[02:36] <Tm_T> ;)
[02:36] <Tm_T> Riddell: is there "your version" of that guide somewhere?
[02:36] <Riddell> Tm_T: don't use dchroot, just sudo chroot /var/foo
[02:36] <Tm_T> ok
[02:36] <Riddell> revert the changes whoever made to it :)
[02:38] <Tm_T> hm?
[02:39] <Tm_T> Riddell: ok, I think I'd do better if I try to get my head straight and do it again with better luck :p
[02:39] <Tm_T> I'm tired, in drugs an in pains
[02:39] <Tm_T> not that good combination imho
[02:39] <Riddell> the difference is just that dchroot dose cleverness to make you chroot as the same user, normal chroot doesn't
[02:40] <Riddell> I've never seen any need for dchroot
[02:41] <Tm_T> :)
[02:44] <Tm_T> Riddell: so what you're saying, "your way" is otherwise similar but you don't do those password etc hassles ?
[02:44] <Riddell> exactly
[02:45] <Tm_T> ok
[02:45] <Tm_T> make things easier =)
[02:45] <Tm_T> I'm root anyway
[02:46] <Tm_T> I think there's something really wrong in that guide
[02:47] <Riddell> please do fix it :)
[02:47] <Tm_T> well, I don't know what is the right way
[02:47] <Tm_T> I just have feeling that there's errors
[02:48] <Tm_T> like that fstab thing, should I modify my normal fstab or the one "in" chroot
[02:48] <Tm_T> I don't think that first option is correct
[02:48] <Tm_T> but that's what is that guide saying
[02:49] <Riddell> ?
[02:49] <Riddell> don't touch fstab
[02:49] <Tm_T> I won't
[02:49] <Riddell> oh I see
[02:50] <Riddell> well if you want to access your /home from within the chroot you can but again it's not worth the hassle
[02:50] <Tm_T> yup
[02:50] <Tm_T> so no fstab thing or mounting...
[02:50] <Riddell> no
[02:51] <Tm_T> next step then
[02:52] <Tm_T> ok, now I give up, my irssi have nice waves...
[02:52] <Tm_T> staring the ceiling ->
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[06:33] <freeflying> Riddell : are you here
[06:36] <Tm_T> he's spirit remains with us
[06:38] <freeflying> :)
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[09:20] <Tm_T> his?
[09:20] <Tm_T> anyway
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[12:56] <pef> hello
[12:56] <pef> can I work on this bug ? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/qtparted/+bug/3212
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[01:35] <Riddell> pef: yes please
[01:35] <Riddell> pef: dapper isn't open yet as far as I know but it should be soon enough
[01:35] <Riddell> all new launchpad dapper that is
[01:36] <pef> Riddell: ok :) since how many time kde apps uses unsermake ?
[01:39] <Tm_T> hmm, "switch user" doesn't seem to work
[01:39] <Riddell> pef: for how long?  over 2 years
[01:40] <Riddell> but it's not needed unless you do KDE 4
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[01:41] <pef> Riddell: Do you think I should switch from debhelper to cdbs for qtparted ?
[01:41] <Riddell> pef: no, keep as close as possible to debian so it's easier for them to adopt back
[01:41] <Riddell> and e-mail the debain maintainer once it's in ubuntu
[01:42] <pef> Riddell: isn't this process automatic by utnubu project ?
[01:43] <Riddell> pef: possibly I'm not sure, but it's still polite to talk about it with the debian maintainer
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[01:44] <pef> Riddell: ok, will do it
[01:45] <Riddell> oh and check it isn't already in debian of course
[01:47] <pef> Riddell: the 0.4.5 isn't present, only 0.4.4.5
[01:49] <Riddell> ok, so grab the debian latest and start working from that since I don't think there's and ubuntu changes to the package
[01:49] <Riddell> s/and/any/
[01:50] <pef> Riddell: why not working directly to the most recent release ? (0.4.5) as requested by the bug report
[01:53] <Riddell> I ment for the debian packaging
[01:53] <Riddell> use debian's latest packaging and throw that onto the latest qtparted
[01:53] <Riddell> and voila
[01:53] <pef> oh ok :)
[01:54] <pef> Riddell: but I will lose debian/changelog entries made for Ubuntu
[01:54] <Riddell> hmm, yes just saw that
[01:55] <Riddell> however the changelog says it's in sync with debian for everything else so you just need to merge the changelogs
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[01:56] <Riddell> 'changed "su-to-root" to "gksudo"'  hum
[01:56] <Riddell> Exec=/usr/bin/gksudo /usr/sbin/qtparted  eek!
[01:56] <Riddell> evilness
[01:56] <\sh> who is freeflying 
[01:57] <\sh> (zhengpeng-hou)
[01:57] <\sh> ?
[01:57] <Riddell> \sh: nice chinese dude who's been in here a few times the last couple of days
[01:57] <\sh> Riddell: k..for approving
[01:58] <Riddell> \sh: dunno, he says he'll update scim and package skim so he sounds cool, and I guess we can unapprove him if he disappears off the internet
[01:58] <pef> Riddell: will take care of all that :)
[01:58] <\sh> Riddell: sure...approved him
[01:58] <Riddell> pef: use kdesu or X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true
[01:58] <\sh> kdesu should be the right answer to qtparted ;)
[01:58] <pef> Riddell: I know, same stuff as kvpnc ;)
[01:59] <\sh> Riddell: I'll start to package and test new python-qt/kde3 stuff tomorrow 
[01:59] <Riddell> pef: make sure its using whatever our latest libparted is
[02:00] <Riddell> \sh: there's a new python-qt?
[02:00] <\sh> Riddell: yepp..
[02:00] <\sh> Riddell: and a new pre-release snapshot of pykde
[02:00] <Riddell> fun
[02:01] <\sh> Riddell: but...any possibility to re-enable python-kde3 building in kdebindings? and just dropping python-dcop stuff?
[02:01] <\sh> Riddell: I could wait for as well for the next release of pykde...for having kde>=3.4.2/kde3.5 support 
[02:02] <\sh> Riddell: upstream wise ;)
[02:02] <pef> Riddell: autotools-dev stuff into debian diff.gz, erf :/
[02:03] <Riddell> \sh: that's possible but is the version in kdebindings always the latest pykde?
[02:03] <Riddell> pef: happens to the best of us
[02:04] <pef> :] 
[02:04] <Riddell> \sh: why drop python-dcop?
[02:04] <\sh> Riddell: well it should be, but I don't know if kde upstream do take care about pykde stuff...I would like to see it to be taken over by kde upstream and maintaining by kde upstream as well
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[02:05] <\sh> Riddell: cause python-dcop (as I read it in the configure.{ac/in} the last time in 3.4.2) has only python2.2/2.3 build-deps possible and not python2.4
[02:06] <\sh> Riddell: so if you enable python-kde3 at the same time as python-dcop it clashes with the python versions...python-kde3 can't use 2.2 anymore
[02:07] <\sh> Riddell: it's a mess, that's why python-kde3 is not enabled in kdebindings somehow
[02:07] <Riddell> python-dcop depends on python 2.4
[02:07] <Riddell> of course that doesn't mean it works
[02:07] <Riddell> jpatrick: who's that then?
[02:08] <jpatrick> Riddell: He was on Kubuntu Forums
[02:08] <jpatrick> Then he IMed me for a while
[02:08] <\sh> Riddell: ok..I'll test with 3.4.3 tomorrow.if I can enable python-kde3 and python-dcop together, fine...so we have to make sure, latest python-kde3 is in kdesvn
[02:09] <Riddell> \sh: kdebindings 3.5 beta 2 if it's any help http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kde35beta2/kdebindings-3.4.92.tar.bz2
[02:10] <\sh> Riddell: I'll do two test cases...one with stable breezy kde and with kde3.5beta2...I mean it won't make so much difference, cause python-kde3 will not support 3.4.2/3.4.3/>=3.5 until next official release+1
[02:11] <jpatrick> Riddell: Apparently he's supporting Linux in China...
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[02:13] <Riddell> \sh: if python-kde is always behind kde it doesn't make sense to use kdebindings which is released with kde
[02:13] <Riddell> jpatrick: nice guy or nutty hanger on?
[02:14] <Riddell> \sh: chroot is your friend
[02:14] <Riddell> Lathiat: awooga
[02:14] <Riddell> jpatrick: he's on the channel just now so be nice in what you say :)
[02:14] <jpatrick> Riddell: :)
[02:14] <jpatrick> Riddell: nice guy overall
[02:15] <\sh> Riddell: well...yes chroot...but my install is a complete mess ;) 
[02:15] <Riddell> excellent, lets approve him for kubuntu team then
[02:15] <\sh> Riddell: that's why I want to have it maintained by kde upstream...
[02:15] <jpatrick> Riddell: first time he spoke to a foreigner
[02:15] <Riddell> jpatrick: ooh, exciting
[02:15] <\sh> Riddell: and everything is somehow slow
[02:16] <\sh> regarding my new install of the other laptop..
[02:16] <jpatrick> Riddell: Have you seen this: http://kubuntuforums.net/index.php?topic=650.0 ?
[02:16] <Riddell> I like how people have whole blogs dedicated to kubuntu
[02:18] <Riddell> jpatrick: nope
[02:19] <pef> Riddell: can you try to build qtparted-0.4.5 from upstream tarball ?http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/qtparted/qtparted-0.4.5.tar.bz2?download I have a fatal error running unsermake
[02:20] <Riddell> pef: don't use unsermake then
[02:20] <Riddell> uninstall unsermake
[02:21] <pef> Riddell: and add it to Conflicts ?
[02:21] <Riddell> pef: yeah
[02:22] <Riddell> then start again with a fresh buildtree, mixing unsermake and automake can mess things up
[02:31] <pef> Riddell: mm some files were generated by unsermake, so I can't switch so easily, I thing I have to write a patch to delete unsermake from shell scripts used to generate Makefile.*
[02:44] <Riddell> oh, qtparted does use unsermake
[02:45] <Riddell> interesting, must be the first program to do that by default
[02:45] <Riddell> INSTALL file doesn't mention it, I wonder if that was done by mistake then
[02:50] <Riddell> but it doesn't compile
[02:51] <pef> http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1338759&forum_id=247293
[02:51] <pef> maybe corrected in the cvs 
[02:54] <freeflying> hi you all
[02:55] <Riddell> pef: it compiles fine if not using unsermae
[02:55] <Riddell> unsermake
[02:55] <Riddell> pef: best thing would be to run  make -f admin/Makefile.common  on the origional source then recreate the .orig 
[02:55] <Riddell> not that in the changelog and don't use unsermake
[02:55] <Riddell> and tell upstream of their mistake
[02:55] <Riddell> afternoon freeflying 
[02:56] <pef> Riddell: ok, thank you :)
[02:56] <freeflying> inow i want to build scim-qtimm for breezy
[02:56] <freeflying> but it seemed the qt should be patch 
[02:57] <freeflying> but the qt in breezy doesn't patched
[02:58] <Riddell> freeflying: we can patch it though for dapper
[02:59] <freeflying> then i shall patch it for myself use own
[03:02] <Riddell> freeflying: please do, let us know if it all works and we'll get the patch into kubuntu
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[05:01] <pef> Riddell: can I use cdbs patch system on a debhelper rules ?
[05:02] <Riddell> pef: I doubt it, it's not hard to add it to debhelper
[05:02] <Riddell> just need to find a package that still uses it and copy
[05:03] <Riddell> koffice
[05:03] <Riddell> copy the # Apply Debian specific patches in debian/rules (and the unapply one too)
[05:04] <pef> mm
[05:05] <pef> I don't have some targets
[05:05] <pef> like config.status: foo
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[05:09] <Riddell> ignore it then :)
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[05:47] <pef> Riddell: what's important with dpatch ? patch before building and unpatch before cleaning ?
[05:53] <Riddell> pef: sounds about right
[05:54] <pef> Riddell: I don't fully understand why the dpatch man add multiples commands to call dpatch and multiples dpatch specific targets ?
[05:57] <Riddell> I've never used dpatch
[05:57] <Riddell> qt does
[06:12] <pef> Riddell: can you review my package later ?
[06:17] <Riddell> pef: of course
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[07:03] <pef> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=794
[08:04] <pef> have to go, bye !
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