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lifelesskiko-afk:     raise SMTPSenderRefused(code, resp, from_addr)12:14
lifelesssmtplib.SMTPSenderRefused: (552, 'Message size exceeds fixed limit', 'pqm@canonical.com')12:14
lifelesspqm is being DENIED the ablility to tell you what happened12:14
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Mezhmm any reason I'm noty getting a confirmation email when trying to add mez@ubuntu.com to my list of emails for lp?01:35
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NafalloMez: well, your ubuntu.com address uses your e-mail on rosetta. maybe you should avoid to alias the e-mail to itself?02:10
MezI'm not aliasing it to itself02:11
Mezjust trying to register it as an email02:11
Meznot the preferred email02:11
Nafallohmm, oki.02:11
Nafallotell me when it works so that I can do that to :-)02:11
Mez:P02:12
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dilysMerge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--production--1.36: Cherry pick patch-2628 into production 1.36 (patch-10: rocketfuel@canonical.com, guilherme.salgado@canonical.com)04:23
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Diablo-D3hrm06:04
Diablo-D3how does karma work?06:04
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sivangMorning all10:05
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zygahello10:29
sabdflhey all10:35
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sivanghey sabdfl , 'sup?10:37
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sabdflsivang: soyuz10:38
sabdflalmost10:38
sivangoh, you and Kinnison still working on it?10:38
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lordk4rfis UTC same as GMT?11:11
crimsunyes11:11
lordk4rfnifty :) sounds like 5.10 released to a great crowd11:11
Lathiatlordk4rf: give or take a couple seconds11:18
lordk4rfsome wanted seconds.. and thirds.. and fourths?11:21
lordk4rffor individual orders, does it really matter how many CDs are requested? i guess i'm asking is there a "starter pack #"11:24
sivanganyone an idea how can I review someone's suggestions before I approve him as a member of the translation group?11:30
sivangI want to be able to get to it by his launchpad name/ or by templates orders with suggestions by people11:30
mdkesivang, go to his homepage and click "translations". That is as close as you can get11:31
mdkeafaik11:31
sivangah I see11:32
mdkea better way would be cool11:34
mdkeso as to see the actual suggestions11:34
mdkerather than having to go through each template looking11:35
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nakeethere is something I don't get about rosetta the translation goes to the project cvs right?11:35
nakeeso if that project has it's own translation team with its own guidelines and approval system it just goes behind their back sort of?11:36
mdkebest to try the mailing list for things like that11:37
mdkeit's a sunday11:37
sivangnakee: nobody is going behind the back of nobody, if they want the translations, take it, or improve it to suit their likings, nobody will force them to use that, but what rosetta does do on those projects don't, is allowing *anybody* who has access to the web help out and advance the localization efforts further.  Other then that, if any of those official translators wants to join the team, and help people get by the rules (as in even going after 11:43
nakeesivang: by behind their back I mean without going through the official channel 11:44
nakeesivang: my question is if they get to have a chance to approve it or is it just getting synced against the cvs automaticly11:44
sivangthey don't need to get any source packages, deal with .po files or whatever, this lowers greatly the barrier for entry.11:44
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sivangnakee: it's not getting sync automatically, if any, it's an offering. they can Either choose to use it, ignore it, or get involved.11:45
sivang(AFAICT)11:45
nakeesivang: then who is it getting to ?11:45
nakeesivang: I'm translating something now, where does it go?11:45
sivangnakee: it gets auto sync'd for ubuntu, meaning you will probably be able to see it next time dapper's transaltion are updated.11:46
nakeesivang: ok and how is it synced against the original project?11:47
nakeesivang: do I need to maunally download every po file I translate and send it to the original project?11:47
sivangnakee: this I have to ask carlos, when he will be here, which would probably happen tommorow :)11:48
sabdflhey guys, SOYUZ LANDS TOMORROW12:29
sabdflnakee: nothing goes behind anybody's back12:29
sabdflthe prject admins download translations from rosetta and commit them to cvs12:29
sabdflusually just before a release12:30
sabdflin future, we will support committing them to a bzr branch automatically12:30
sabdflso the project admins can just merge from that branch and voila!12:30
sabdfleasier than downloading12:30
nakeesabdfl: what project admins?the guys who are responsible for the translation of certain langauge in that project?12:31
ajmitchsabdfl: great to hear that soyuz news :)12:48
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Lathiatso whats soyuz12:50
Lathiatthe 'launchpad infrastructure' ?12:50
Lathiatfor ubuntu stuff12:50
ajmitchthe uploading/building part, aiui12:57
Lathiatah cool12:58
sivangnakee: yes, those people responsible for aproving translations for CVS in gnome for instance, and when they have bzr branches published for them it will be even better12:59
sivangsabdfl: much easier then downloading :)12:59
sivangsabdfl: so, can I change my dapper sources to use soyuz already ? :-D01:00
nakeesivang: ok I translated gaim for example, how do I get the translation into gaim cvs?what do I need to ask of the gaim people?01:03
\shsoyuz?01:04
sivanghttps://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/SoyuzSpecification01:06
\shI wonder if the development name was "apollo13" ;)01:09
sivanglol01:10
sivangI recall it was named soyuz since the days of the Mtaro sessions, and maybe even dates back then that.01:10
\shi'm really looking forward to the new workflow via lp...will be fun01:15
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sivangyeah, it's going to be too easy :)01:16
sivanggiven soyuz is in place.01:16
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sivangHey BjornT 01:18
BjornThi sivang 01:18
sivangBjornT: go your breezy problem sorted already?01:18
BjornTsort of, at least i'm currently configuring breezy to be the way i want it to be :) i resorted to creating an ext3 /boot partition01:21
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sivangBjornT: :)01:59
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KrzysieKcze02:39
KrzysieKhello02:39
KrzysieK:)02:39
KrzysieKBonjour02:39
KrzysieKgutten morden02:40
SteveA_laba diena02:40
KrzysieK??02:40
KrzysieKdzwon dzwon se do bil laddena02:41
lordk4rfmoin02:41
lordk4rfpolska :)02:41
KrzysieKalaaaach :D02:41
KrzysieKpolska rzadzi :P02:42
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KrzysieK_irc.npircs.pl -> #www.elektroda.pl zaprszam :D02:43
lordk4rfBjornT: what's odd about using a ext3 as boot02:44
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BjornTlordk4rf: nothing odd with having the boot partition as ext3, but i prefer xfs over ext3, and it didn't work having the boot as xfs03:27
lordk4rfok... any docs out there explaining the advantages of said setup03:28
lordk4rfi know this isn't the forum for that03:28
lordk4rfbut i've not found any differences moving from FAT to ext2/3 03:28
lordk4rfand i (maybe mistakenly) presume XFS is no different03:29
BjornTlordk4rf: don't know any docs about it, don't even know if it's an advantage :) it's mostly that i've had some problems with ext3 in the past, but i haven't had a single problem with xfs so far03:33
lordk4rfunderstood. that's been a dilemma of mine, change to the unknown or stay with what i've tested for years :D03:34
lordk4rfthe new reiserfs is supposed to be "even better", but being a non-power-user i can't imagine how that's possible03:34
mantienaddaa, hi03:39
ddaaI have been summoned.03:39
ddaaPlease state the nature of the VCS emergency.03:40
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mantiena;)03:42
mantienaddaa, have you read the letter from jblack about problems with importing live-installer sources into lauchpad ?03:45
ddaaI somewhat skimmed over something that sounds like that.03:45
ddaaIt looks like it's a case of "I cannot remove RCS details from a product series once something has been put in"03:46
ddaaright?03:46
mantienasort of03:46
mantienaJames wrote: Unfortunately I can't remove the svn now that its been added. Thusly, I turn this over to your capable hands.03:47
ddaaI'm aware of this problem. Looking at whether a bug has been filed already.03:47
ddaaIn any case, I can fix it by poking the db by hand.03:48
mantienaddaa, jblack told me, that launchpad has possibility to import sources without RCS system (live-installer doesn't have CVS or SVN)03:48
ddaawell, there's something like that03:49
ddaabut I'm not the one doing it03:49
ddaaYou need to specific a ftp location in the series03:49
mantienalive-installer is a component, designed specially for Ubuntu, so I wanna use launchpad for as main developing page03:49
mantienaddaa, I have specified the location, but didn't get sources imported03:50
ddaaI do not think the bit that does it is live yet03:50
mantiena:(03:50
ddaaKeybuk is the guy handling that bit.03:50
mantienaok, thanks03:50
mantienaddaa, you handle only SVN/CVS import ?03:50
ddaawhat this will do03:51
ddaais create automatic product releases for each tarball found with the tarball address an glob03:51
ddaaand import the stuff in a branch for HCT to use03:51
ddaamantiena: yes03:51
mantienaddaa, why there is no posibility to import sources into Bazaar manually, for example from .tar.gz file ?03:54
ddaawhat is your use case?03:55
ddaaif you want to get a baz or bzr tree out of tarball, you do not need launchpad.03:55
mantienaI told you my use case - live-installer is a component, designed specially for Ubuntu, so I wanna use launchpad for as main developing page03:56
ddaawhat I do with VCS imports is daily updated imports of foreign VCSes into baz03:56
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ddaamantiena: this use case does not seem to have anything to do with version control...03:56
mantienaddaa, why ?03:57
ddaayou can register releases manually in launchpad already03:57
mantienabut I can't import sources into Bazaar03:57
mantienaI wanna use Bazaar as main version control system for live-installer03:58
ddaaHaaaa03:58
ddaaDo you know what baz and bzr are?03:58
mantienaI think I know, but from your speech it seems not ;)03:59
ddaaBaz is a fork of tla (GNU Arch). It's obsolescent as we are in a transition to using bzr everywhere.03:59
ddaaBzr (Bazaar2) is a DVCS written from scratch in python.04:00
ddaaCurrently, Launchpad does not interface much with either.04:00
ddaaThe VCS import feature creates Baz branches out of CVS and SVN repos.04:00
mantienaok, I understand this04:01
ddaaIf you want to "use Bazaar as a main version control system", your first decision is decides whether you want to use baz or bzr.04:01
ddaaWe recommend bzr, but it's still maturing.04:01
ddaaOnce you made your choice, you put your files in the VCS as you would do with any other VCS.04:02
ddaaWith baz, you currently can have free hosting on the SuperMirror (sourcecontrol.net) which _will_ be integrated with Launchpad, but is currently not.04:02
ddaaBy the time bzr reaches 1.0 you will also be able to get hosting on the SM for bzr as well. And all that will be integrated in a nice web UI in launchpad (on which I'm currently on).04:03
ddaaBut right now04:04
ddaaany VCS usage decision you make that does not involve a daily import from CVS or SVN and is not related to HCT, is independent from Launchpad.04:04
ddaaI know the situation is confusing04:05
mantienaddaa, when Launchpad imports sources from CVS or SVN into Bazaar then it puts these to SuperMirror ?04:05
ddaamantiena: that's an observable end result yes. Technically, when Lanuchpad imports sources from CVS/SVN, it puts them on bazaar.ubuntu.com, then the SuperMirror grabs them from there automatically.04:06
ddaabut that's a different use case from yours04:06
ddaa_currently_ only imported branches show up on launchpad04:07
ddaathat will not be true anymore when the patch I'm currently working on will have landed :) But it's a large work.04:08
ddaaAnd, regardless, you will still be doing the one-shot import from tarball yourself.04:08
ddaawith bzr it's about three commands04:08
ddaabzr init ; bzr add . ; bzr commit -m "initial import"04:09
mantiena;)04:09
mantienayes, I need to make initial import04:09
ddaaTalk me about the reporting structure of the live-installer project.04:10
mantienaddaa, sorry, I don't understand you :( what is reporting structure ?04:11
ddaaI mean, are you the project leader?04:11
mantienaddaa, yes, I'm project leader and main developer :)04:12
mantienaddaa, live-installer is simple debian-installer (ubuntu-installer) component - one udeb package04:13
ddaamh... debian-installer is in SVN on debian.org right now04:13
ddaamaybe Kamion would have a preference about how to set up the live-installer VCS04:13
ddaanot meaning to order you around, just concerned about consistent VCS usage decisions being made04:14
mantienait's very small project, comparable to base-installer udeb package, look for example at http://packages.debian.org/base-installer04:16
mantienaddaa, maybe you are right04:16
mantienaddaa, I will ask Kamion04:17
ddaaif ATM, live-installer is just an experimental project, bzr should be fine for you. If it's something mature and Kamion is working with it, it would probably make sense to have on the same SVN04:17
ddaabase-installer is in SVN, btw, I restarted its import test, that failed before some recent fixes I made.04:19
mantienaddaa, at this moment live-installer is stable project, but sources are not polished - internationalization is incorrect (strings simply taken from base-installer udeb), etc04:21
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ddaamantiena: bug 323304:44
UbugtuMalone bug #3233: Cannot clear RCS details Fix req. for: launchpad (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/323304:44
mantienaddaa, thanks04:45
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jessideh! how's everybody here!10:06
SteveA_hiya jessid 10:08
jessidI have just registered (If that can be called like that) and I find that i can create a page in https://launchpad.net/people/yevelez/+edithomepage but they say it is not a wiki so I cannot do any change....10:11
jessidwhat is this site for??? I neither want to bother or screw it ;-)10:11
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SteveA_jessid: it just means that old copies are not stored inside launchpad10:23
SteveA_jessid: that is, with a wiki, if you overwrite information on a page, but you did not mean to do that, then you can go to a special form and see how that page was in the past10:23
SteveA_with your homepage text in launchpad, just the most recent version is kept10:24
SteveA_so, if you change it in a way you don't like, and then save those changes, then the previous version is gone, completely10:24
SteveA_i just added some 'homepage text' to my own page.  check it out here: https://launchpad.net/people/stevea10:27
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sabdflhey SteveA10:47
lifelessgood morning vietnam!10:47
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SteveA_hiya10:50
SteveA_sabdfl: we gonna see some soyuz action om monday?10:51
sabdflSteveA_: err.. lots of test failures10:52
Keybukwell, that's a start10:52
Keybuklifeless taught me all tests should fail at least once10:52
lifelessindeed !10:53
SteveA_sabdfl: if you get stuck on some test, ping me with a branchid tomorrow10:55
sabdflSteveA_: pagetests/standalone/xx-builder-index.txt10:57
sabdflplease could you have a word with cprov about that?10:57
sabdfl#it's a "TEST THIS WHOLE PAGE" kind of test10:57
sabdflthat's not good practice10:57
sabdfli'll fix it now, but could you help him do better?10:58
SteveA_sure thing10:58
sabdflSteveA_: it would be worth walking through the build system11:09
sabdflthere are some style issues11:09
SteveA_talking about coding style?11:11
SteveA_or UI webpage / user interaction style?11:11
SteveA_lifeless: have you tried using a BT headset with your laptop?11:12
lifelessSteveA_: no, I really should11:13
ajmitchmorning11:17
SteveA_hmm... installed gnome-bluetooth, and it's seen my phone already.11:17
SteveA_hi ajmitch 11:17
SteveA_it is morning here also ;-)  by 18 minutes11:18
ajmitchyes sadly I lead the way into monday :)11:19
SteveA_okay.  see you in 9 or so hours.11:20
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sabdflcheers11:21
sivangeinheit: what does that nick means?11:22
einheitit's the name of my laptop11:22
sivangeh :) so that means you are now using it?11:23
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einheitfor the next 10 seconds ;-)11:23
sivanghehe11:23
einheiti'll be on a larger workstation with dual screens tomorrow11:23
einheiti find i work better with a faster machine and more screen space11:23
sivangfigures. when you are dealing with huge hunks of code,11:24
sivangas wide as your display is the better11:24
einheitwell... it's more about communication and coding11:24
einheitso, one screen for irc / jabber talking with the other launchpad developers11:24
einheitand another to see the code we're talking about11:25
einheittry it out, run the tests, see the pages11:25
einheit10 seconds up... really quitting for the night.11:25
sivangsabdfl: I'd like to start spec'ing Db2OnUbuntu, should I wait for PR , or can I just go ahead and put my ideas on the wiki ? (clearing my bof specs list)11:25
sivangeinheit: yes, that's cool. I need to get a wide screen for that purpose as well. Night!11:26
sabdflsivang: go ahead on the wiki11:38
sabdflif you want them discussed at UBZ, register in LP and add to UBZ agenda11:38
sivangsabdfl: ah, so we can start putting things to the spec tracker already ?11:39
sivang(I had the impression everything new should be put on the BOFs list, and not in LP)11:41
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sivangsabdfl: how do I distinguish between specs for the Ubuntu product and the LP product?11:44
ajmitchhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+specs might work?11:44
sivangajmitch: ah thanks, how come there are none registered currently ? :)11:44
ajmitchprobably because everyone has been using the wiki :)11:45
sivangwe should probably have something when following a sprint entity , to show all the available tracks per sprint11:45
ajmitchthe LP specs I've seen so far have a brief description & a link to their wiki page11:45
sivangyes, I saw those as well11:45
sivangI was sure that by following the sprints/ubz path, I'd get a way to choose the track11:46
sivangso in tracks we get to choose from Edubuntu, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, LP etc..11:48
ajmitchmight be a bug to file as wishlist then11:49
sivangyes, I'll do that now11:51

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