[12:14] <lifeless> kiko-afk:     raise SMTPSenderRefused(code, resp, from_addr)
[12:14] <lifeless> smtplib.SMTPSenderRefused: (552, 'Message size exceeds fixed limit', 'pqm@canonical.com')
[12:14] <lifeless> pqm is being DENIED the ablility to tell you what happened
[01:35] <Mez> hmm any reason I'm noty getting a confirmation email when trying to add mez@ubuntu.com to my list of emails for lp?
[02:10] <Nafallo> Mez: well, your ubuntu.com address uses your e-mail on rosetta. maybe you should avoid to alias the e-mail to itself?
[02:11] <Mez> I'm not aliasing it to itself
[02:11] <Mez> just trying to register it as an email
[02:11] <Mez> not the preferred email
[02:11] <Nafallo> hmm, oki.
[02:11] <Nafallo> tell me when it works so that I can do that to :-)
[02:12] <Mez> :P
[04:23] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--production--1.36: Cherry pick patch-2628 into production 1.36 (patch-10: rocketfuel@canonical.com, guilherme.salgado@canonical.com)
[06:04] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[06:04] <Diablo-D3> how does karma work?
[10:05] <sivang> Morning all
[10:29] <zyga> hello
[10:35] <sabdfl> hey all
[10:37] <sivang> hey sabdfl , 'sup?
[10:38] <sabdfl> sivang: soyuz
[10:38] <sabdfl> almost
[10:38] <sivang> oh, you and Kinnison still working on it?
[11:11] <lordk4rf> is UTC same as GMT?
[11:11] <crimsun> yes
[11:11] <lordk4rf> nifty :) sounds like 5.10 released to a great crowd
[11:18] <Lathiat> lordk4rf: give or take a couple seconds
[11:21] <lordk4rf> some wanted seconds.. and thirds.. and fourths?
[11:24] <lordk4rf> for individual orders, does it really matter how many CDs are requested? i guess i'm asking is there a "starter pack #"
[11:30] <sivang> anyone an idea how can I review someone's suggestions before I approve him as a member of the translation group?
[11:30] <sivang> I want to be able to get to it by his launchpad name/ or by templates orders with suggestions by people
[11:31] <mdke> sivang, go to his homepage and click "translations". That is as close as you can get
[11:31] <mdke> afaik
[11:32] <sivang> ah I see
[11:34] <mdke> a better way would be cool
[11:34] <mdke> so as to see the actual suggestions
[11:35] <mdke> rather than having to go through each template looking
[11:35] <nakee> there is something I don't get about rosetta the translation goes to the project cvs right?
[11:36] <nakee> so if that project has it's own translation team with its own guidelines and approval system it just goes behind their back sort of?
[11:37] <mdke> best to try the mailing list for things like that
[11:37] <mdke> it's a sunday
[11:43] <sivang> nakee: nobody is going behind the back of nobody, if they want the translations, take it, or improve it to suit their likings, nobody will force them to use that, but what rosetta does do on those projects don't, is allowing *anybody* who has access to the web help out and advance the localization efforts further.  Other then that, if any of those official translators wants to join the team, and help people get by the rules (as in even going after 
[11:44] <nakee> sivang: by behind their back I mean without going through the official channel 
[11:44] <nakee> sivang: my question is if they get to have a chance to approve it or is it just getting synced against the cvs automaticly
[11:44] <sivang> they don't need to get any source packages, deal with .po files or whatever, this lowers greatly the barrier for entry.
[11:45] <sivang> nakee: it's not getting sync automatically, if any, it's an offering. they can Either choose to use it, ignore it, or get involved.
[11:45] <sivang> (AFAICT)
[11:45] <nakee> sivang: then who is it getting to ?
[11:45] <nakee> sivang: I'm translating something now, where does it go?
[11:46] <sivang> nakee: it gets auto sync'd for ubuntu, meaning you will probably be able to see it next time dapper's transaltion are updated.
[11:47] <nakee> sivang: ok and how is it synced against the original project?
[11:47] <nakee> sivang: do I need to maunally download every po file I translate and send it to the original project?
[11:48] <sivang> nakee: this I have to ask carlos, when he will be here, which would probably happen tommorow :)
[12:29] <sabdfl> hey guys, SOYUZ LANDS TOMORROW
[12:29] <sabdfl> nakee: nothing goes behind anybody's back
[12:29] <sabdfl> the prject admins download translations from rosetta and commit them to cvs
[12:30] <sabdfl> usually just before a release
[12:30] <sabdfl> in future, we will support committing them to a bzr branch automatically
[12:30] <sabdfl> so the project admins can just merge from that branch and voila!
[12:30] <sabdfl> easier than downloading
[12:31] <nakee> sabdfl: what project admins?the guys who are responsible for the translation of certain langauge in that project?
[12:48] <ajmitch> sabdfl: great to hear that soyuz news :)
[12:50] <Lathiat> so whats soyuz
[12:50] <Lathiat> the 'launchpad infrastructure' ?
[12:50] <Lathiat> for ubuntu stuff
[12:57] <ajmitch> the uploading/building part, aiui
[12:58] <Lathiat> ah cool
[12:59] <sivang> nakee: yes, those people responsible for aproving translations for CVS in gnome for instance, and when they have bzr branches published for them it will be even better
[12:59] <sivang> sabdfl: much easier then downloading :)
[01:00] <sivang> sabdfl: so, can I change my dapper sources to use soyuz already ? :-D
[01:03] <nakee> sivang: ok I translated gaim for example, how do I get the translation into gaim cvs?what do I need to ask of the gaim people?
[01:04] <\sh> soyuz?
[01:06] <sivang> https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/SoyuzSpecification
[01:09] <\sh> I wonder if the development name was "apollo13" ;)
[01:10] <sivang> lol
[01:10] <sivang> I recall it was named soyuz since the days of the Mtaro sessions, and maybe even dates back then that.
[01:15] <\sh> i'm really looking forward to the new workflow via lp...will be fun
[01:16] <sivang> yeah, it's going to be too easy :)
[01:16] <sivang> given soyuz is in place.
[01:18] <sivang> Hey BjornT 
[01:18] <BjornT> hi sivang 
[01:18] <sivang> BjornT: go your breezy problem sorted already?
[01:21] <BjornT> sort of, at least i'm currently configuring breezy to be the way i want it to be :) i resorted to creating an ext3 /boot partition
[01:59] <sivang> BjornT: :)
[02:39] <KrzysieK> cze
[02:39] <KrzysieK> hello
[02:39] <KrzysieK> :)
[02:39] <KrzysieK> Bonjour
[02:40] <KrzysieK> gutten morden
[02:40] <SteveA_> laba diena
[02:40] <KrzysieK> ??
[02:41] <KrzysieK> dzwon dzwon se do bil laddena
[02:41] <lordk4rf> moin
[02:41] <lordk4rf> polska :)
[02:41] <KrzysieK> alaaaach :D
[02:42] <KrzysieK> polska rzadzi :P
[02:43] <KrzysieK_> irc.npircs.pl -> #www.elektroda.pl zaprszam :D
[02:44] <lordk4rf> BjornT: what's odd about using a ext3 as boot
[03:27] <BjornT> lordk4rf: nothing odd with having the boot partition as ext3, but i prefer xfs over ext3, and it didn't work having the boot as xfs
[03:28] <lordk4rf> ok... any docs out there explaining the advantages of said setup
[03:28] <lordk4rf> i know this isn't the forum for that
[03:28] <lordk4rf> but i've not found any differences moving from FAT to ext2/3 
[03:29] <lordk4rf> and i (maybe mistakenly) presume XFS is no different
[03:33] <BjornT> lordk4rf: don't know any docs about it, don't even know if it's an advantage :) it's mostly that i've had some problems with ext3 in the past, but i haven't had a single problem with xfs so far
[03:34] <lordk4rf> understood. that's been a dilemma of mine, change to the unknown or stay with what i've tested for years :D
[03:34] <lordk4rf> the new reiserfs is supposed to be "even better", but being a non-power-user i can't imagine how that's possible
[03:39] <mantiena> ddaa, hi
[03:39] <ddaa> I have been summoned.
[03:40] <ddaa> Please state the nature of the VCS emergency.
[03:42] <mantiena> ;)
[03:45] <mantiena> ddaa, have you read the letter from jblack about problems with importing live-installer sources into lauchpad ?
[03:45] <ddaa> I somewhat skimmed over something that sounds like that.
[03:46] <ddaa> It looks like it's a case of "I cannot remove RCS details from a product series once something has been put in"
[03:46] <ddaa> right?
[03:46] <mantiena> sort of
[03:47] <mantiena> James wrote: Unfortunately I can't remove the svn now that its been added. Thusly, I turn this over to your capable hands.
[03:47] <ddaa> I'm aware of this problem. Looking at whether a bug has been filed already.
[03:48] <ddaa> In any case, I can fix it by poking the db by hand.
[03:48] <mantiena> ddaa, jblack told me, that launchpad has possibility to import sources without RCS system (live-installer doesn't have CVS or SVN)
[03:49] <ddaa> well, there's something like that
[03:49] <ddaa> but I'm not the one doing it
[03:49] <ddaa> You need to specific a ftp location in the series
[03:49] <mantiena> live-installer is a component, designed specially for Ubuntu, so I wanna use launchpad for as main developing page
[03:50] <mantiena> ddaa, I have specified the location, but didn't get sources imported
[03:50] <ddaa> I do not think the bit that does it is live yet
[03:50] <mantiena> :(
[03:50] <ddaa> Keybuk is the guy handling that bit.
[03:50] <mantiena> ok, thanks
[03:50] <mantiena> ddaa, you handle only SVN/CVS import ?
[03:51] <ddaa> what this will do
[03:51] <ddaa> is create automatic product releases for each tarball found with the tarball address an glob
[03:51] <ddaa> and import the stuff in a branch for HCT to use
[03:51] <ddaa> mantiena: yes
[03:54] <mantiena> ddaa, why there is no posibility to import sources into Bazaar manually, for example from .tar.gz file ?
[03:55] <ddaa> what is your use case?
[03:55] <ddaa> if you want to get a baz or bzr tree out of tarball, you do not need launchpad.
[03:56] <mantiena> I told you my use case - live-installer is a component, designed specially for Ubuntu, so I wanna use launchpad for as main developing page
[03:56] <ddaa> what I do with VCS imports is daily updated imports of foreign VCSes into baz
[03:56] <ddaa> mantiena: this use case does not seem to have anything to do with version control...
[03:57] <mantiena> ddaa, why ?
[03:57] <ddaa> you can register releases manually in launchpad already
[03:57] <mantiena> but I can't import sources into Bazaar
[03:58] <mantiena> I wanna use Bazaar as main version control system for live-installer
[03:58] <ddaa> Haaaa
[03:58] <ddaa> Do you know what baz and bzr are?
[03:59] <mantiena> I think I know, but from your speech it seems not ;)
[03:59] <ddaa> Baz is a fork of tla (GNU Arch). It's obsolescent as we are in a transition to using bzr everywhere.
[04:00] <ddaa> Bzr (Bazaar2) is a DVCS written from scratch in python.
[04:00] <ddaa> Currently, Launchpad does not interface much with either.
[04:00] <ddaa> The VCS import feature creates Baz branches out of CVS and SVN repos.
[04:01] <mantiena> ok, I understand this
[04:01] <ddaa> If you want to "use Bazaar as a main version control system", your first decision is decides whether you want to use baz or bzr.
[04:01] <ddaa> We recommend bzr, but it's still maturing.
[04:02] <ddaa> Once you made your choice, you put your files in the VCS as you would do with any other VCS.
[04:02] <ddaa> With baz, you currently can have free hosting on the SuperMirror (sourcecontrol.net) which _will_ be integrated with Launchpad, but is currently not.
[04:03] <ddaa> By the time bzr reaches 1.0 you will also be able to get hosting on the SM for bzr as well. And all that will be integrated in a nice web UI in launchpad (on which I'm currently on).
[04:04] <ddaa> But right now
[04:04] <ddaa> any VCS usage decision you make that does not involve a daily import from CVS or SVN and is not related to HCT, is independent from Launchpad.
[04:05] <ddaa> I know the situation is confusing
[04:05] <mantiena> ddaa, when Launchpad imports sources from CVS or SVN into Bazaar then it puts these to SuperMirror ?
[04:06] <ddaa> mantiena: that's an observable end result yes. Technically, when Lanuchpad imports sources from CVS/SVN, it puts them on bazaar.ubuntu.com, then the SuperMirror grabs them from there automatically.
[04:06] <ddaa> but that's a different use case from yours
[04:07] <ddaa> _currently_ only imported branches show up on launchpad
[04:08] <ddaa> that will not be true anymore when the patch I'm currently working on will have landed :) But it's a large work.
[04:08] <ddaa> And, regardless, you will still be doing the one-shot import from tarball yourself.
[04:08] <ddaa> with bzr it's about three commands
[04:09] <ddaa> bzr init ; bzr add . ; bzr commit -m "initial import"
[04:09] <mantiena> ;)
[04:09] <mantiena> yes, I need to make initial import
[04:10] <ddaa> Talk me about the reporting structure of the live-installer project.
[04:11] <mantiena> ddaa, sorry, I don't understand you :( what is reporting structure ?
[04:11] <ddaa> I mean, are you the project leader?
[04:12] <mantiena> ddaa, yes, I'm project leader and main developer :)
[04:13] <mantiena> ddaa, live-installer is simple debian-installer (ubuntu-installer) component - one udeb package
[04:13] <ddaa> mh... debian-installer is in SVN on debian.org right now
[04:13] <ddaa> maybe Kamion would have a preference about how to set up the live-installer VCS
[04:14] <ddaa> not meaning to order you around, just concerned about consistent VCS usage decisions being made
[04:16] <mantiena> it's very small project, comparable to base-installer udeb package, look for example at http://packages.debian.org/base-installer
[04:16] <mantiena> ddaa, maybe you are right
[04:17] <mantiena> ddaa, I will ask Kamion
[04:17] <ddaa> if ATM, live-installer is just an experimental project, bzr should be fine for you. If it's something mature and Kamion is working with it, it would probably make sense to have on the same SVN
[04:19] <ddaa> base-installer is in SVN, btw, I restarted its import test, that failed before some recent fixes I made.
[04:21] <mantiena> ddaa, at this moment live-installer is stable project, but sources are not polished - internationalization is incorrect (strings simply taken from base-installer udeb), etc
[04:44] <ddaa> mantiena: bug 3233
[04:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #3233: Cannot clear RCS details Fix req. for: launchpad (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/3233
[04:45] <mantiena> ddaa, thanks
[10:06] <jessid> eh! how's everybody here!
[10:08] <SteveA_> hiya jessid 
[10:11] <jessid> I have just registered (If that can be called like that) and I find that i can create a page in https://launchpad.net/people/yevelez/+edithomepage but they say it is not a wiki so I cannot do any change....
[10:11] <jessid> what is this site for??? I neither want to bother or screw it ;-)
[10:23] <SteveA_> jessid: it just means that old copies are not stored inside launchpad
[10:23] <SteveA_> jessid: that is, with a wiki, if you overwrite information on a page, but you did not mean to do that, then you can go to a special form and see how that page was in the past
[10:24] <SteveA_> with your homepage text in launchpad, just the most recent version is kept
[10:24] <SteveA_> so, if you change it in a way you don't like, and then save those changes, then the previous version is gone, completely
[10:27] <SteveA_> i just added some 'homepage text' to my own page.  check it out here: https://launchpad.net/people/stevea
[10:47] <sabdfl> hey SteveA
[10:47] <lifeless> good morning vietnam!
[10:50] <SteveA_> hiya
[10:51] <SteveA_> sabdfl: we gonna see some soyuz action om monday?
[10:52] <sabdfl> SteveA_: err.. lots of test failures
[10:52] <Keybuk> well, that's a start
[10:52] <Keybuk> lifeless taught me all tests should fail at least once
[10:53] <lifeless> indeed !
[10:55] <SteveA_> sabdfl: if you get stuck on some test, ping me with a branchid tomorrow
[10:57] <sabdfl> SteveA_: pagetests/standalone/xx-builder-index.txt
[10:57] <sabdfl> please could you have a word with cprov about that?
[10:57] <sabdfl> #it's a "TEST THIS WHOLE PAGE" kind of test
[10:57] <sabdfl> that's not good practice
[10:58] <sabdfl> i'll fix it now, but could you help him do better?
[10:58] <SteveA_> sure thing
[11:09] <sabdfl> SteveA_: it would be worth walking through the build system
[11:09] <sabdfl> there are some style issues
[11:11] <SteveA_> talking about coding style?
[11:11] <SteveA_> or UI webpage / user interaction style?
[11:12] <SteveA_> lifeless: have you tried using a BT headset with your laptop?
[11:13] <lifeless> SteveA_: no, I really should
[11:17] <ajmitch> morning
[11:17] <SteveA_> hmm... installed gnome-bluetooth, and it's seen my phone already.
[11:17] <SteveA_> hi ajmitch 
[11:18] <SteveA_> it is morning here also ;-)  by 18 minutes
[11:19] <ajmitch> yes sadly I lead the way into monday :)
[11:20] <SteveA_> okay.  see you in 9 or so hours.
[11:21] <sabdfl> cheers
[11:22] <sivang> einheit: what does that nick means?
[11:22] <einheit> it's the name of my laptop
[11:23] <sivang> eh :) so that means you are now using it?
[11:23] <einheit> for the next 10 seconds ;-)
[11:23] <sivang> hehe
[11:23] <einheit> i'll be on a larger workstation with dual screens tomorrow
[11:23] <einheit> i find i work better with a faster machine and more screen space
[11:24] <sivang> figures. when you are dealing with huge hunks of code,
[11:24] <sivang> as wide as your display is the better
[11:24] <einheit> well... it's more about communication and coding
[11:24] <einheit> so, one screen for irc / jabber talking with the other launchpad developers
[11:25] <einheit> and another to see the code we're talking about
[11:25] <einheit> try it out, run the tests, see the pages
[11:25] <einheit> 10 seconds up... really quitting for the night.
[11:25] <sivang> sabdfl: I'd like to start spec'ing Db2OnUbuntu, should I wait for PR , or can I just go ahead and put my ideas on the wiki ? (clearing my bof specs list)
[11:26] <sivang> einheit: yes, that's cool. I need to get a wide screen for that purpose as well. Night!
[11:38] <sabdfl> sivang: go ahead on the wiki
[11:38] <sabdfl> if you want them discussed at UBZ, register in LP and add to UBZ agenda
[11:39] <sivang> sabdfl: ah, so we can start putting things to the spec tracker already ?
[11:41] <sivang> (I had the impression everything new should be put on the BOFs list, and not in LP)
[11:44] <sivang> sabdfl: how do I distinguish between specs for the Ubuntu product and the LP product?
[11:44] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+specs might work?
[11:44] <sivang> ajmitch: ah thanks, how come there are none registered currently ? :)
[11:45] <ajmitch> probably because everyone has been using the wiki :)
[11:45] <sivang> we should probably have something when following a sprint entity , to show all the available tracks per sprint
[11:45] <ajmitch> the LP specs I've seen so far have a brief description & a link to their wiki page
[11:45] <sivang> yes, I saw those as well
[11:46] <sivang> I was sure that by following the sprints/ubz path, I'd get a way to choose the track
[11:48] <sivang> so in tracks we get to choose from Edubuntu, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, LP etc..
[11:49] <ajmitch> might be a bug to file as wishlist then
[11:51] <sivang> yes, I'll do that now