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| Kyral | yo | 12:53 |
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| sivang | hey Kyral | 12:54 |
| sivang | :) | 12:54 |
| sivang | 'sup dude? | 12:54 |
| Kyral | Finally getting around to ditching usplash and jacking up the res on my boot-up sequence :D | 12:54 |
| sivang | (I'm off to bed soonish, just wanted to answer so you won't get the feeling of an empty house ;-) | 12:54 |
| Kyral | Don't like Splash Screens :P | 12:54 |
| sivang | Kyral: with whom are you discussing it? what is that res for you boot-up sequence? | 12:54 |
| Kyral | It runs at 800x600 on a 1200x1024 monitor | 12:55 |
| Kyral | I'm just using a HOWTO offa the forums | 12:55 |
| Kyral | Also spicing up the colors ;P | 12:55 |
| sivang | ah cool :) | 12:55 |
| sivang | I have a friend who did this as well | 12:55 |
| Kyral | I find it comforting to see "OK!" scroll past at boot ;P | 12:56 |
| sivang | he wanted something more of the default | 12:56 |
| Kyral | I mean, a bootsplash in the style of Gentoo would be nice | 12:56 |
| Kyral | like its just like a terminal window | 12:56 |
| Kyral | but I don't know how to change USplash's image | 12:56 |
| sivang | Kyral: talk to mvo, I think he's the guy who did that. | 12:57 |
| Kyral | mmhmm | 12:57 |
| Kyral | Oh, Kernel 2.6.12-9 is out right? | 12:57 |
| Kyral | then why hasn't my usual update cycle snagged it... | 12:58 |
| sivang | Kyral: good night, if you found a bug don't forget to report it :) | 12:58 |
| Kyral | yup yup | 12:59 |
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| Kyral | Nothing like compiling a new kernel on a Saturday night | 02:58 |
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| Kyral | yo | 03:01 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: got nothing better to do? ;-) | 03:03 |
| Kyral | Yah | 03:03 |
| Kyral | and I wanted to streamline it | 03:03 |
| LaserJock | what are you streamlining? | 03:04 |
| Kyral | the kernel ;P | 03:04 |
| Kyral | 2.6.13.4 | 03:04 |
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| Kyral | I want to have it so only what I need to run my machine is in there | 03:05 |
| LaserJock | got preemtible kernel and stuff like that? | 03:05 |
| Kyral | Having a ****load of modules is fine for the kernel when you are installing onto a machine for the first time, but I've had this system for about 1 year now | 03:05 |
| Kyral | I know exactly whats in it ;D | 03:06 |
| Kyral | Partially prempt | 03:06 |
| Kyral | there is a new option | 03:06 |
| Kyral | tells you which is best for which application (Server, Desktop, Low-Mem) | 03:07 |
| LaserJock | cool | 03:07 |
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| Kyral | and something I find really cool | 03:07 |
| Kyral | though just cosmetic | 03:07 |
| LaserJock | I haven't done a recompile of a kernel since I made the move to Ubuntu | 03:07 |
| Kyral | build in option that allows you to append a custom version string to the kernel ;P | 03:07 |
| LaserJock | I find the Ubuntu k7 kernel to be pretty speedy on my machine, but I know what you mean about having a butt load of modules | 03:08 |
| Kyral | I'm not using the KPackage thing | 03:08 |
| Kyral | I'm doing the old fashioned way | 03:08 |
| Kyral | download the tar.bz2 from Kernel.org, make oldconfig, make menuconfig, etc | 03:08 |
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| Kyral | my CPU hasn't seen this much full power compiling in a LONG time :D | 03:10 |
| LaserJock | iv'e was doing a lot of compiling for the FTBFS push the day Brezzy came out | 03:13 |
| Kyral | My CPU has been at full load since 8:49 PM EST :P | 03:16 |
| LaserJock | compiling your kernel? | 03:17 |
| Kyral | bingo :P | 03:19 |
| Kyral | Another reason I wanna cut it down. Save compile time ;P | 03:19 |
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| LaserJock | geez, what kind of processor are you running? PII ;-) | 03:20 |
| Kyral | Athlon XP 2700+ @ 2.1 GHz | 03:21 |
| LaserJock | hhmmm, doesn't seem like it should take that much time | 03:21 |
| Kyral | You don't understand, the Ubuntu Config enables just about EVERY MODULE | 03:21 |
| Kyral | Crap compile error | 03:22 |
| LaserJock | but I though you were getting rid of those you don't need | 03:22 |
| LaserJock | *thought | 03:22 |
| Kyral | NOW I will | 03:22 |
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| chillywilly | MOTUs rule | 04:00 |
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| g14 | Does anyone agree with me when I say that the default ubuntu (or debian) install should have more than just a / partition set up by default? | 04:17 |
| g14 | I'm writing a presentation / paper on why and would like some feedback | 04:17 |
| Nafallo | g14: it has already. | 04:18 |
| Nafallo | so... no :-) | 04:19 |
| g14 | Nafallo: What partitions does it seperate? | 04:19 |
| Nafallo | / and swap :-) | 04:19 |
| g14 | lol, smarta** | 04:20 |
| g14 | I was thinking about some cool use cases though | 04:20 |
| Nafallo | don't. if you need that you should manage to make the partitioning manually. | 04:20 |
| g14 | Like you put in a dapper cd and it recognizes that /home is on it's own partition. It wipes and updates everything but home after you say yes when prompted to upgrade | 04:20 |
| g14 | For security and stability, it makes more sense | 04:21 |
| g14 | I mean it's not a huge change, but it would make ubuntu, just "that much better TM" | 04:21 |
| Nafallo | a, so what you want is not to change the default behavior but add a warning or something like that then. | 04:22 |
| g14 | no, /boot, /tmp, /var, and /home should be on seperate partitions by default | 04:23 |
| g14 | It would be trivial to add to the installer | 04:23 |
| Nafallo | could you add a wishlist bugg against installer on bugzilla (I guess that's still the BTS for main) | 04:23 |
| Nafallo | ehm, IMO they should not. | 04:23 |
| g14 | Why not? | 04:23 |
| g14 | Give me a good reason | 04:23 |
| Nafallo | cause users will be annoyed when their last megs they need for yet another porndownload exists on /boot | 04:24 |
| Nafallo | they can't use that | 04:24 |
| g14 | well /boot only needs about 20MB | 04:24 |
| Nafallo | so? | 04:24 |
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| Nafallo | if there are 10MB free and /home is filled you got an annoyed user. | 04:25 |
| eazel7 | hi ppl | 04:25 |
| g14 | And what if their pornodownload makes their system unbootable? | 04:25 |
| Nafallo | ehm... we are using linux :-) | 04:25 |
| g14 | Then they are way pissed at linux and hate it for "sucking so bad" | 04:25 |
| Nafallo | 5% are always reserved for root :-) | 04:25 |
| g14 | To a newbie, gnome = linux | 04:26 |
| eazel7 | where can I find info about next ubuntu dev branch? | 04:26 |
| g14 | So if gnome doesn't load, linux sucks | 04:26 |
| Nafallo | what I said | 04:26 |
| g14 | And is broken | 04:26 |
| g14 | logical partitioning would prevent that from ever happening | 04:26 |
| Nafallo | eazel7: what info are you looking for? :-) | 04:26 |
| Nafallo | g14: still not needed in most cases | 04:27 |
| eazel7 | Nafallo, now that breezy is released, where's the unstable? | 04:27 |
| Amaranth | eazel7: see #ubuntu-devel topic | 04:27 |
| g14 | Key word, "most cases" | 04:27 |
| Nafallo | eazel7: there is none. it's opened next week. | 04:27 |
| Nafallo | g14: the rest of the cases can use manual partitioning. | 04:27 |
| g14 | Ubuntu doesn't ship with a grub splash because on some video cards / archs, it makes the menu look very weird | 04:27 |
| eazel7 | thanks | 04:28 |
| g14 | So "most cases" were trumped for the minority | 04:28 |
| g14 | If it is preventable for the minority to have a messed up system and it doesn't affect anyone else, isn't that a much better idea? | 04:28 |
| Nafallo | well, I had grubsplash on one boot. I didn't get to see it, so I removed it :-). | 04:28 |
| Amaranth | g14: I'd rather have a dull grub that works everywhere than a flashy grub that causes headaches in #ubuntu | 04:28 |
| Nafallo | we are talking about corner-cases here. | 04:28 |
| g14 | Amaranth: That is my point | 04:29 |
| g14 | Amaranth: Setting up seperate partitons by default would save problems | 04:29 |
| Nafallo | anyway, I'm not the one taking decisions. | 04:30 |
| g14 | I am asking for opinions, not decisions | 04:30 |
| Nafallo | but both debian and ubuntu have always had root+swap. I trust both of the devel-teams on that decision :-). | 04:31 |
| g14 | I am writing a case on why this should be implimented | 04:31 |
| g14 | Every distro is root + swap | 04:31 |
| Nafallo | probably for good reasons then :-) | 04:31 |
| g14 | It would take some thought on how to do it, but with planning, it would be much better | 04:31 |
| Nafallo | personally I would rather see LVM used by default, but that's just me ;-) | 04:32 |
| g14 | but both debian and ubuntu have always had a slow and linear boot | 04:32 |
| g14 | I trust that they will both be moving to a dependency based init in the future | 04:32 |
| Nafallo | ehm... how would the boot be faster with more partitions? ;-) | 04:32 |
| Nafallo | more forks? more fsck? | 04:32 |
| g14 | noatime to /var and /tmp will cause less of the stat() function call | 04:32 |
| g14 | technically | 04:33 |
| g14 | I was using that as an example that just because something is and always has been doesn't mean it shouldn't change | 04:33 |
| g14 | for the better | 04:33 |
| Amaranth | g14: sounds good, less IO is always better | 04:34 |
| g14 | less stat() calls during boot means less disk IO | 04:34 |
| g14 | Amaranth: Exactly | 04:34 |
| g14 | With / as one big partiton, it's not possible to do that | 04:34 |
| Nafallo | well, when in laptop-mode / is noatime. why not make that permanent if it causes the delays of several microseconds? ;-) | 04:35 |
| g14 | I want to get as much input on this before I present it to the dev team and community to weight the pros and cons | 04:35 |
| Nafallo | honestly, if you need those tweaks you would probably use gentoo :-P | 04:35 |
| g14 | No | 04:35 |
| g14 | Ubuntu is about the system that "just works TM" | 04:35 |
| g14 | You shouldn't have to worry abou it breaking, the devs made it very fault tolerant and secure | 04:35 |
| g14 | This is yet another way to do that | 04:36 |
| g14 | I mean Ubuntu has taken some of the best ideas from other distributions and rolled them into (in my opinion) the best desktop linux distro there is | 04:37 |
| g14 | Why not make it better? | 04:37 |
| Lathiat | atime is usefull | 04:37 |
| Lathiat | and things rely on it | 04:37 |
| g14 | Lathiat: That was just an example | 04:38 |
| g14 | /home should be mounted with nosuid and nodev in my opinion | 04:38 |
| g14 | another very trivial change that adds quite a bit securitywise | 04:39 |
| Lathiat | not really | 04:39 |
| g14 | I compromise your account as a worm and use mknod to create hda in your ~ | 04:40 |
| g14 | I have raw access to the drive and all of your files | 04:40 |
| g14 | mounting /home with nodev would prevent that | 04:40 |
| g14 | And break nothing | 04:40 |
| Nafallo | hmm, angry girlfriend here now :-P | 04:41 |
| Lathiat | so you have raw access to my drive | 04:41 |
| Lathiat | you fiddle with / instead | 04:42 |
| Nafallo | gtg 4:41 here ;-) | 04:42 |
| g14 | Nafallo: Those are always fun | 04:42 |
| Lathiat | g14: you can only mknod if your root, dude | 04:42 |
| g14 | Lathiat: I realize this | 04:42 |
| Lathiat | same for suid files, you need to be the target user | 04:42 |
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| Lathiat | i suppose suid has a better argument than nodev | 04:43 |
| g14 | ok | 04:43 |
| Lathiat | since suid can be set on other users stuff | 04:43 |
| g14 | yes | 04:43 |
| Lathiat | but still | 04:43 |
| g14 | I'm not trying to argue | 04:43 |
| g14 | What would it break? | 04:43 |
| Lathiat | anyone that wants to use suid apps | 04:43 |
| g14 | in /home? | 04:43 |
| Lathiat | alot of people dont even make /home separate | 04:43 |
| g14 | Lathiat: You didn't read the start of this convo did you | 04:44 |
| g14 | I'm not saying people should make /home seperate | 04:44 |
| Lathiat | g14: you cant make it nosuid/nodev unless you do afaik | 04:44 |
| g14 | I am saying that the debian-installer should make /, /boot, /tmp, and /home seperate by default | 04:44 |
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| Lathiat | oh | 04:44 |
| g14 | *and /var | 04:45 |
| Lathiat | i disagree with that, its annoying when you run out of space :) | 04:45 |
| g14 | for logs, that is important | 04:45 |
| g14 | Ok, here is another idea that would require more dev time to start up, but might be even more elegant | 04:45 |
| Lathiat | g14: well really | 04:45 |
| Lathiat | in a desktop systme its nto that critical | 04:45 |
| Lathiat | and most important logs are root | 04:45 |
| Lathiat | and so can eat the uh | 04:45 |
| Lathiat | reserved space | 04:45 |
| Lathiat | and if you need this security its not hard to add it yourself | 04:46 |
| Lathiat | (is my point) | 04:46 |
| g14 | And when that reserved space is gone? | 04:46 |
| Lathiat | g14: then your fucked | 04:46 |
| Lathiat | but if you really care | 04:46 |
| Lathiat | i.e. in a server system | 04:46 |
| Lathiat | you can do this kind of thing yourself | 04:46 |
| g14 | I'm not talking about a server | 04:46 |
| g14 | I am talking about a desktop for some idiot I just moved from windows, what does ls do user | 04:46 |
| Lathiat | g14: an idiot that moved from windows doesn't give a shit about his logs | 04:47 |
| g14 | You're not seeing the bigger picture | 04:47 |
| g14 | Yes | 04:47 |
| g14 | Linux on the desktop is taking off | 04:47 |
| Lathiat | i see the big picture, im just trying to argue the point of security vs inconvenience | 04:47 |
| g14 | With increased usage, comes increased attacks against it | 04:47 |
| Lathiat | g14: true | 04:47 |
| g14 | So secure by default is VERY important | 04:47 |
| g14 | And will be much more so in the future | 04:48 |
| Lathiat | we're already very secure byb default | 04:48 |
| Lathiat | cant write to system files etc | 04:48 |
| g14 | I don't think that this would be an inconveniance with proper implimentation | 04:48 |
| Lathiat | g14: but all these features you mention have potential inconveniences | 04:48 |
| g14 | Lathiat: Ok, so this is all done with lvm | 04:49 |
| Lathiat | partitioning up wastes space and users wonder where it went, nosuid/nodev can break things (well, not nodev s omuch) | 04:49 |
| Lathiat | g14: mm, that could work better | 04:49 |
| g14 | Lathiat: A stupid easy tool is created to resize partitons | 04:49 |
| Lathiat | still | 04:49 |
| Lathiat | even a dumbshit desktop user, if comrpomised, the logs arent going to be much good | 04:49 |
| g14 | And a very simple explanation is given on why it improves security | 04:49 |
| Lathiat | if the disk fills up, oops | 04:49 |
| g14 | Why do you keep mentioning the logs? | 04:49 |
| Lathiat | thats why theres reserve space | 04:50 |
| Lathiat | so you can still boot | 04:50 |
| Lathiat | still write out stuff | 04:50 |
| Lathiat | etc | 04:50 |
| tseng | i would argue that it doesnt improve security that much | 04:50 |
| Lathiat | g14: because thats a specific example you gave me | 04:50 |
| g14 | If / fills up with logs owned by root, the system doesn't do much | 04:50 |
| Lathiat | g14: give me another | 04:50 |
| g14 | Did you hear my use case earlier? | 04:50 |
| Lathiat | no i wasnt around | 04:50 |
| Lathiat | i looked up but it was far too long to re-read ;p | 04:50 |
| tseng | we are working hard at removing suid | 04:50 |
| g14 | You pop in a dapper cd and it detects that /home is it's own partiton. Among the default wipe entire drive options, you get an upgrade option | 04:51 |
| g14 | the "upgrade" option wipes the entire drive minus /home and everything boots with the same settings but a newer distro | 04:51 |
| g14 | That would be nice | 04:51 |
| Lathiat | no that woudl suck | 04:51 |
| tseng | dist-upgrade? | 04:51 |
| g14 | why? | 04:51 |
| Lathiat | i lose all my custom installed stuff and settings | 04:51 |
| Lathiat | in /etc, /usr/local | 04:51 |
| Lathiat | and im a silly user | 04:52 |
| Lathiat | so i installed vmware in /usr/bin | 04:52 |
| tseng | apt already handles upgrades just fine | 04:52 |
| g14 | tseng: Try dist-upgrading from hoary to breezy with more than a handful of packages from multiverse installed | 04:52 |
| Lathiat | thats the fault of the packages | 04:52 |
| Lathiat | not the system | 04:52 |
| g14 | tseng: I don't think so. It will crap out on you. (I did it on 2 laptops and a desktop) | 04:52 |
| g14 | No, thats the fault of ubuntu to the users | 04:52 |
| Lathiat | and probably caused by having extenral repos installed for media stuff | 04:52 |
| Lathiat | the fix is to fix the packages | 04:52 |
| tseng | congratulations | 04:52 |
| g14 | no external repos | 04:52 |
| tseng | fix the packages | 04:52 |
| Lathiat | not to wipe the whole system on upgrade | 04:53 |
| Lathiat | if you had specific breakages | 04:53 |
| tseng | dont create some elaborate work around | 04:53 |
| g14 | Multiverse and univers | 04:53 |
| Lathiat | please file bugs so we can fix it | 04:53 |
| tseng | justified by bad packages | 04:53 |
| g14 | It was ubuntu-desktop | 04:53 |
| g14 | I had to manually remove it | 04:53 |
| g14 | Due to unmet dependencies | 04:53 |
| Lathiat | then you broke something good | 04:53 |
| Lathiat | what dependencies? | 04:53 |
| g14 | Also, when I dist-upgraded, usplash was not enabled | 04:54 |
| Lathiat | please file bugs about these things | 04:54 |
| g14 | I installed the gstreamer plugins from multiverse and a ton of universe apps. dist-upgrade to breezy did not work without some hackery | 04:54 |
| g14 | ok | 04:54 |
| Lathiat | we cant fix these things if no-one tells us about them :) | 04:54 |
| Lathiat | we often dont notice this kind of thing | 04:55 |
| Lathiat | as we run breezy throughout | 04:55 |
| Lathiat | and upgrade tests are often done on base installs etc | 04:55 |
| g14 | I would think that no usplash from a clean updated hoary <--> breezy dist-upgrade would be noticed | 04:55 |
| g14 | Stock hoary with all of the updates. dist-upgrade to breezy and usplash doesn't show | 04:56 |
| g14 | I verified that twice | 04:56 |
| Lathiat | if you didnt have ubuntu-desktop installed | 04:56 |
| Lathiat | maybe you didnt get a new kernel | 04:56 |
| g14 | Stock install | 04:56 |
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| g14 | nothing tweaked whatsoever | 04:56 |
| ajmitch | afternoon | 05:00 |
| g14 | If no one agrees with me, I will drop it | 05:00 |
| g14 | ajmitch: evening :) | 05:00 |
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| ajmitch | I obviously didn't add in enough Replaces: before release | 05:03 |
| ajmitch | oh well | 05:03 |
| tseng | Replaces: * | 05:04 |
| ajmitch | if only | 05:04 |
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| ajmitch | needed 1c102 as well for hoary->breezy magic | 05:04 |
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| Kyral | Word of advice, if you compile your own kernel and use NVidia, don't enable the NVidia Framebuffer | 07:49 |
| Kyral | it locks the device so it can't be probed or something like that | 07:49 |
| crimsun | that's a known issue from way back and is documented in the README.. | 09:03 |
| crimsun | (what Kyral mentioned RE: Nvidio drivers and rivafb.ko) | 09:04 |
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| swestres | Good morning, known universe | 10:05 |
| sivang | morning | 10:05 |
| swestres | How's it hangin? | 10:05 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 10:05 |
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| zyga | hello | 10:29 |
| siretart | hi | 10:38 |
| sivang | hey siretart | 10:38 |
| ajmitch | hi | 11:00 |
| crimsun | hi | 11:00 |
| \sh | moins | 11:00 |
| ajmitch | what's happening? | 11:01 |
| \sh | ogra and suse are still sleeping and I have a headache ;) | 11:02 |
| siretart | suse? | 11:02 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 11:02 |
| sivang | the cat | 11:02 |
| sivang | :) | 11:02 |
| ajmitch | \sh: why the headache? hungover? ;) | 11:02 |
| sivang | ajmitch: they were out all night drinking and partying :) | 11:03 |
| ajmitch | no surprise there.. | 11:03 |
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| \sh | sivang: no..ogras gf :) | 11:04 |
| \sh | the two cats are awake and running around, same applies to fred the dog ;) | 11:04 |
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| zakame | hi all | 11:05 |
| sivang | hey zakame | 11:05 |
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| spayne | \sh: ping | 11:08 |
| \sh | spayne: headache pong | 11:08 |
| spayne | \sh: i got my GPG signed yesterday! | 11:09 |
| spayne | \sh: is there a way to check my key is in the strong set? | 11:09 |
| crimsun | sure, look in biglumber.com or in launchpad's | 11:10 |
| zakame | spayne: http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/ henkp/pgp/pathfinder/ | 11:10 |
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| spayne | zakame: http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/mk_path.cgi?FROM=C137358E&STATS=statistics&TO=FC243F3C | 11:12 |
| spayne | zakame: but it does exist on that key server, i uploaded it to subkeys.pgp.net and pgp.mit.edu last night | 11:13 |
| spayne | any ideas? | 11:14 |
| zakame | probably hasn't propagated yet :( | 11:14 |
| spayne | zakame: i just don't know if i've done it right as i'm new to all this | 11:15 |
| \sh | 24h to sync all servers | 11:15 |
| spayne | i think the probles is here | 11:16 |
| crimsun | yeah it usually takes a day at least | 11:16 |
| spayne | to see if my key is in the strong set, it tells me to go to http://keyserver.kjsl.com/~jharris/ka/current/C1/C137358E | 11:16 |
| Lathiat | spayne: if it was only just done it'l take a bit for the key to propogate etc | 11:17 |
| spayne | does this look ok though: http://pgp.surfnet.nl:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0xC137358E | 11:19 |
| Lathiat | looks alright | 11:20 |
| Lathiat | jon is signed by debian people etc so should be fine | 11:20 |
| spayne | Lathiat: i just need to sign the CoC and i'm set for the next CC meeting | 11:21 |
| ajmitch | and you have a clear & consistent record of work done? | 11:21 |
| spayne | i do - yes | 11:22 |
| spayne | i need to finish some bits off though | 11:22 |
| spayne | i'm in the middle of packaging dopi and writing up stuff about Hula on the Wiki | 11:22 |
| Lathiat | spayne: make a good wiki page | 11:22 |
| Lathiat | write a bit about yourself | 11:22 |
| Lathiat | what you do outside ubuntu | 11:22 |
| spayne | Lathiat: done! | 11:22 |
| Lathiat | and then link to as much info as possible | 11:22 |
| Lathiat | like mailing list posts | 11:22 |
| Lathiat | bug reports | 11:22 |
| Lathiat | wiki contributions | 11:22 |
| Lathiat | etc | 11:22 |
| spayne | Lathiat: wiki.ubuntu.com/SebPayne | 11:22 |
| Lathiat | spayne: url? | 11:22 |
| Lathiat | ah wow | 11:23 |
| sivang | spayne: what is dopi ? :) | 11:23 |
| Lathiat | looks good! | 11:23 |
| spayne | Lathiat: have i done enough though? | 11:23 |
| Lathiat | spayne: link those packages to changelogs.ubuntu.com and/or the relevant breezy-changes archive post | 11:23 |
| ajmitch | spayne: maybe | 11:23 |
| spayne | sivang: a kick ass iPod transfer tool written by snorp | 11:23 |
| spayne | sivang: i am packaging it for Dapper when it opens | 11:24 |
| spayne | sivang: it is all ready to go (i think) | 11:24 |
| crimsun | spayne: also list your GPG key on your wiki page | 11:24 |
| sivang | spayne: koool :) | 11:24 |
| spayne | crimsun: good idea :) | 11:24 |
| sivang | crimsun: I thought having it registered in Launchpad is enough no? | 11:24 |
| Lathiat | link to your launchpad page | 11:25 |
| Lathiat | and update it with your gpg, ssh, etc | 11:25 |
| Lathiat | and the CoC | 11:25 |
| Lathiat | you sign the CoC in launchpad now | 11:25 |
| Lathiat | so its relativel easy to do | 11:25 |
| crimsun | be careful not to use a sign-only key atm, because launchpad will explode | 11:26 |
| Lathiat | 'explode' ? :) | 11:26 |
| crimsun | the infamous red oops page | 11:26 |
| Lathiat | crimsun: why is that anyway\like, whats the difference | 11:26 |
| Lathiat | ah | 11:26 |
| Lathiat | just doesnt handle them | 11:26 |
| crimsun | right. It's being worked on. | 11:27 |
| Lathiat | yep | 11:27 |
| spayne | Lathiat: link my wiki page to launchpad page? | 11:28 |
| sivang | crimsun: it cannot use keys that have seconday keys attached to them to sign to CoC ? | 11:28 |
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| spayne | i've updated wiki page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SebPayne | 11:28 |
| crimsun | sivang: it's a sign-only, yes. | 11:30 |
| crimsun | #1972 | 11:30 |
| sivang | crimsun: I think I've used a non sign only key, and it worked for me. How can I check if my key is a sign only or not? | 11:31 |
| spayne | Launchpad won't let me log in! | 11:31 |
| spayne | when i log in, it still says "Not logged in" | 11:31 |
| \sh | spayne: cookies enabled? | 11:31 |
| ajmitch | it's a sign... | 11:31 |
| spayne | yes | 11:32 |
| sivang | Father Nathanial, War of the worlds :) | 11:32 |
| crimsun | sivang: gpg --list-keys <your id>|grep ^pub | 11:33 |
| crimsun | the character following the keysize denotes the type | 11:33 |
| sivang | ok then,thanks | 11:34 |
| spayne | i'm signing the CoC | 11:37 |
| spayne | but when i run gpg --clearsign, it is using the wrong key | 11:37 |
| spayne | how can i tell it which key to use | 11:39 |
| crimsun | set default-key in ~/.gnupg/options | 11:40 |
| crimsun | for example, I have: default-key C88ABDA3 | 11:40 |
| spayne | crimsun: is this ok: https://launchpad.net/people/spayne/ | 12:04 |
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| Pygi | oh :P | 12:15 |
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| siretart | say, folks, where is dmix configured in breezy? | 12:16 |
| ajmitch | good question ;) | 12:17 |
| Pygi | try at #ubuntu :P | 12:17 |
| ajmitch | either crimsun or #ubuntu would know | 12:17 |
| ajmitch | most likely crimsun | 12:17 |
| Pygi | anybody willing to help make Fubuntu? :) | 12:18 |
| ajmitch | nope | 12:18 |
| ajmitch | I can't think of anything good starting with F | 12:19 |
| Pygi | oh, well :P | 12:19 |
| Pygi | its just Ubuntu with Fluxbox as a desktop | 12:20 |
| \sh | fluxbox is a WM... | 12:21 |
| Pygi | yup, yup..I know | 12:21 |
| Pygi | you are awaken :P | 12:21 |
| \sh | so which desktop do u want to use for fluxbox? | 12:21 |
| Pygi | not sure yet :/ | 12:22 |
| \sh | kde or gnome? | 12:22 |
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| Pygi | rather gnome I think | 12:22 |
| \sh | so no own desktop | 12:22 |
| \sh | and another gnome based derivate...i can't think of it | 12:23 |
| Pygi | :/ | 12:23 |
| Pygi | kde derivate also exists :/ | 12:24 |
| Pygi | Xfce also :/ | 12:24 |
| \sh | but gnome + kde + xfce are desktops | 12:24 |
| \sh | kde has kwin as wm | 12:24 |
| \sh | gnome as metacity as wm | 12:24 |
| \sh | and xfce something else as wm | 12:24 |
| Pygi | yes, I know it | 12:25 |
| \sh | so fluxbox is only a replacement for the wm | 12:25 |
| \sh | no own desktop | 12:25 |
| Pygi | yes, I know | 12:25 |
| \sh | changing the wm for gnome/kde/xfce to fluxbox is possible without derivating ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu | 12:26 |
| \sh | gnome/kde/xfce are all integrated desktop environments and not only windowmanagers | 12:26 |
| Pygi | true | 12:26 |
| spayne | Pygi: do you have a reason for doing this? | 12:27 |
| Pygi | I wanted to do something for Ubuntu community except translating, but I guess I'll find another way.... | 12:27 |
| Pygi | maybe fixing some bugs | 12:28 |
| siretart | okay, /me is off for lunch. cu you later | 12:28 |
| Pygi | bye | 12:28 |
| \sh | Pygi: why not managing a small ubuntu distribution? only with xdm and a small fast wm? | 12:28 |
| \sh | without a desktop? | 12:29 |
| Pygi | Hm, maybe....but Ubuntu is towards simplicity....I doubt anyone non-technical would use something without desktop | 12:29 |
| spayne | has anyone heard of a Gaim problem? where there is a text lag? | 12:29 |
| \sh | text lag? | 12:30 |
| Pygi | maybe ur slow connection?? | 12:30 |
| spayne | when you type a message, there is a lag of a few seconds before it appears | 12:30 |
| spayne | it isn't me! it is a friend | 12:30 |
| Pygi | oh, so \sh....is there a point doing something like that when probably not many people will use it? | 12:32 |
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| \sh | Pygi: why not doing it? it's a nice project... | 12:49 |
| \sh | Pygi: but a better way to contribute to ubuntu and not wasting your time is to get hands on packaging and fixing bugs in packages and become a motu | 12:50 |
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| pef | hello | 12:56 |
| Pygi | sorry, I was on lunch :/ | 01:01 |
| Pygi | ok, what needs to be packaged? | 01:01 |
| \sh | Pygi: lets start with fixing universe bugs | 01:01 |
| Pygi | ok, what are the bugs? | 01:02 |
| \sh | launchpad.net -> bugs -> everything which is assigned to "MOTU" should be checked, fixed... | 01:02 |
| Pygi | ok, I go there now | 01:02 |
| \sh | Pygi: but we have to wait until dapper is open and the syncs for universe are done. | 01:02 |
| \sh | but you can do some patching now :) | 01:02 |
| \sh | Pygi: please have a look at wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResource w.u.c/PbuidlerHowto http://revu.tauware.de/ | 01:03 |
| Pygi | I am looking at it right now | 01:04 |
| Pygi | just to ask....How to I assign myself to fix some bug? | 01:05 |
| \sh | Pygi: u don't assign MOTU bugs to yourself | 01:05 |
| \sh | Pygi: update them with your remarks, give us a location where the debdiff is... | 01:06 |
| \sh | or attach the debdiff to the bug | 01:06 |
| Pygi | ok, sorry for bothering, but I am new in trying to help Ubuntu :P I am only doing translation for now | 01:06 |
| Pygi | Thanks | 01:07 |
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| pef | a package with ./configure --enable-debug=full in build target is wrong, isn't it ? | 01:20 |
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| eazel7 | hi world | 01:25 |
| eazel7 | question, I have created a debian package for anjuta2 | 01:26 |
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| ajmitch | ok, but there's anjuta 2.0.1 in debian experimental | 01:27 |
| eazel7 | but I didn't know how to separate the original anjuta source from the anjuta source that I used (I have applied a patch from anjuta cvs for the latest pango) | 01:27 |
| ajmitch | which we may import | 01:27 |
| eazel7 | ajmitch, what pango is in anjuta2? | 01:27 |
| ajmitch | I don't know :) | 01:27 |
| eazel7 | gonna check | 01:28 |
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| eazel7 | ah, yeah, would be, well, I wasted my time hehehe | 01:29 |
| eazel7 | anyway, I wanna learn, but I couldn't learn about managing patches | 01:30 |
| eazel7 | I have applied a patch, how can I separate the patch from the orig.tar.gz? | 01:30 |
| Lathiat | \speno | 01:31 |
| Lathiat | pef: debhelper strips packages itself | 01:31 |
| Lathiat | ergh | 01:32 |
| Lathiat | my ssh was dead | 01:32 |
| eazel7 | ehm, gonna go or my head's gonna be cutted down by an axe | 01:34 |
| eazel7 | see you later | 01:34 |
| ajmitch | night all | 01:42 |
| Lathiat | night ajmitch | 01:43 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch: btw im def coming to lca | 01:43 |
| Lathiat | got all my stuff sorted | 01:43 |
| ajmitch | excellent! | 01:43 |
| ajmitch | you managed to scrounge up some $ for flights then? | 01:43 |
| Lathiat | and i was acceped to do an avahi talk if you didnt know | 01:43 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch: yeh i got travel assistance | 01:43 |
| ajmitch | sweet | 01:44 |
| ajmitch | I'll try & make it to that one | 01:44 |
| ajmitch | & not heckle too much ;) | 01:44 |
| Lathiat | heh | 01:44 |
| Lathiat | im eagerly awaiting the program | 01:44 |
| Lathiat | theyr ejust sorting out speaker confirmations etc | 01:44 |
| Lathiat | so they can notify their backups | 01:45 |
| ajmitch | right | 01:45 |
| ajmitch | will be good to see you in dunedin | 01:46 |
| Lathiat | yeh | 01:46 |
| === ajmitch will put aside some beer money :) | ||
| Lathiat | :) | 01:46 |
| Lathiat | i'll actually be 18 ;p haha | 01:47 |
| ajmitch | yeah I know | 01:48 |
| ajmitch | not that it'd matter if you came up to drink at my flat :) | 01:48 |
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| Lathiat | ajmitch: not that its ever matterred :) | 01:48 |
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| Lathiat | in 2003.. :) | 01:49 |
| Lathiat | more like 2002 actually | 01:49 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 01:49 |
| ajmitch | doesn't surprise me somehow | 01:49 |
| Lathiat | pub crawl through fremantle, got stopped at 1 place of like 9 :) | 01:49 |
| Lathiat | some guy just said he was my father hah | 01:49 |
| ajmitch | haha | 01:49 |
| Lathiat | 1 palce refused jamesh | 01:50 |
| Lathiat | because he was wearing sandles | 01:50 |
| Lathiat | but was happy letting me in ;p | 01:50 |
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| sivang | crimsun: I executed the list-keys command you've pasted here, and saw my key on the list | 02:04 |
| sivang | crimsun: does it mean that its more then "sign only" key? | 02:04 |
| Lathiat | sivang: if it worked in launchpad | 02:05 |
| Lathiat | then its not | 02:05 |
| sivang | Lathiat: ok, since it worked there :) | 02:05 |
| sivang | Lathiat: why would like to create more then sign only keys? do you need those for uploads? | 02:06 |
| Lathiat | no just launchpad choks on them | 02:06 |
| Lathiat | sign+encrypt is default | 02:06 |
| Lathiat | sign-only isnt | 02:06 |
| sivang | ah, then I created the default :) | 02:07 |
| lifeless | Lathiat: launchpad has two separate codepaths | 02:08 |
| Lathiat | lifeless: hrm? | 02:08 |
| lifeless | Lathiat: email and coc checking are different code paths | 02:09 |
| lifeless | coc checking handles any key type | 02:09 |
| Lathiat | lifeless: right, i actually meant coc checking | 02:09 |
| lifeless | email checking, I field a bug on yesterday | 02:09 |
| Lathiat | oh? | 02:09 |
| lifeless | well, coc checking should handle anything these days | 02:09 |
| Lathiat | so what is it then? | 02:09 |
| Lathiat | just adding the key to your account? | 02:09 |
| lifeless | what is what ? | 02:10 |
| Lathiat | that chokes on sign-only keys | 02:10 |
| lifeless | the only thing I know of is email checking | 02:10 |
| lifeless | I have signing only subkeys | 02:10 |
| lifeless | there *was* a bug in coc checking back in july | 02:10 |
| lifeless | but its been fixed for -ages- | 02:10 |
| Lathiat | hm ok | 02:10 |
| lifeless | but I think we keep having this discussion | 02:11 |
| lifeless | so - if you see it fail to handle a key, file a bug | 02:11 |
| lifeless | it should accept *anything* gpg will accept. | 02:11 |
| Lathiat | hm ok | 02:11 |
| lifeless | otherwise .. and please, I'm not meaning to be insulting .. dont spread fud :) | 02:12 |
| Lathiat | well yeh | 02:12 |
| Lathiat | ok | 02:12 |
| Lathiat | thats just what others told me | 02:12 |
| Lathiat | ;p | 02:12 |
| lifeless | ah. | 02:12 |
| lifeless | well, get them to reproduce it and file bugs | 02:12 |
| Lathiat | i'll stat spreading the anti-fud | 02:12 |
| lifeless | they *will* get fixed, gpg is pretty essential to webs of trust | 02:12 |
| lifeless | and launchpad cannot be saying 'please create a new key cause' :0 | 02:13 |
| Lathiat | haha | 02:13 |
| Lathiat | if someone signs my key | 02:14 |
| Lathiat | and then i add a new uid | 02:14 |
| Lathiat | does that affect anything | 02:14 |
| Lathiat | versus not having had it on their before | 02:14 |
| lifeless | well | 02:16 |
| lifeless | the new uid is not signed | 02:16 |
| lifeless | so it will not be usable as verification of email addresses | 02:16 |
| lifeless | and you may want to tell lp to refresh your key, by readding it. | 02:16 |
| Lathiat | i see | 02:16 |
| sivang | lifeless: hey, 'sup? I knew it was alright :) I think I specifically created a non sign only key :) | 02:17 |
| Lathiat | sivang: by accepting the default? ;p | 02:17 |
| sivang | Lathiat: exactly :) | 02:17 |
| lifeless | sivang: heya | 02:17 |
| Lathiat | how can i make gpg export my secret key | 02:17 |
| sivang | lifeless: I have some question to ask ya, in private if I may :) | 02:17 |
| Lathiat | ah, --secret | 02:18 |
| Lathiat | that was hard | 02:18 |
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| Lathiat | lifeless: if i had a uid, do i need to like, sign it or something | 02:21 |
| sivang | Lathiat: what does --secret entails? | 02:22 |
| Lathiat | sivang: exporting the secret key rather than the public key | 02:22 |
| lifeless | Lathiat: if you have a uid, its signed by you when you create it, and by other people when they verify your key | 02:22 |
| Lathiat | lifeless: ah ok | 02:23 |
| Lathiat | sivang: ok i lied, it doesnt | 02:23 |
| sivang | Lathiat: ah, so you need to keep that export secret then :) | 02:23 |
| sivang | Lathiat: why would you want to export it? for backup purposes? | 02:23 |
| Lathiat | import it on another machine | 02:23 |
| Lathiat | once out of boredom i tried to recursively get all signatures i had in my keyring | 02:25 |
| Lathiat | after making a 32M or so gpg database it crashed | 02:25 |
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| Lathiat | ahh, --export-secret-keys | 02:27 |
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| sistpoty | hi folks | 02:35 |
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| xophEr | is there a working flash player for amd64? | 02:59 |
| \sh | standalone or in ff? | 02:59 |
| xophEr | in ff | 03:00 |
| \sh | this will be a problem | 03:00 |
| \sh | but standalone is swf-player...it could work in ff... | 03:01 |
| xophEr | Ive read about gplflash, you heard about it? | 03:01 |
| xophEr | hmm, I installed gplflash, and 'wohoo' I can see those annoying flash-ads again \o/ | 03:07 |
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| \sh | hmm...never used it..;) | 03:09 |
| xophEr | seems to be a bit buggy though . :) | 03:10 |
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| \sh | WE NEED TO UPDATE LIBOFX* | 03:26 |
| \sh | ajmitch: ping get up dude | 03:26 |
| sivang | can I Help with anything ? :) | 03:28 |
| \sh | no..I'll have to do it somehow...or ajmitch ;) | 03:29 |
| freeflying | hi you all | 03:29 |
| siretart | \sh: whats up with libofx? | 03:29 |
| sivang | \sh: ah, that's a main stuff? | 03:30 |
| \sh | no it's universe stuff | 03:30 |
| \sh | but broken because of wrong replaces | 03:30 |
| sivang | but probaslby far complex... | 03:30 |
| siretart | \sh: do you have a malone bugnr for reference? | 03:31 |
| \sh | siretart: ubuntu-users ML ;) | 03:31 |
| siretart | ah, I see | 03:32 |
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| dseomn | I'm not sure if this is a good place to mention it, but https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/scim/+bug/2565 seems to be a really big problem for a lot of people. | 03:36 |
| \sh | dseomn: it's not libofx, no? | 03:37 |
| siretart | its about scim | 03:38 |
| dseomn | I don't think that's related, it's not a dep | 03:39 |
| freeflying | dseomn: you can use the latest release of scim | 03:39 |
| \sh | waterloo waterloo | 03:39 |
| dseomn | freeflying: you mean from their site? | 03:39 |
| freeflying | I have built it this afternoon | 03:40 |
| freeflying | you can try it from here http://svn.ubuntu.org.cn/ubuntu-cn/dists/breezy/main/binary-i386/scim/ | 03:40 |
| dseomn | so it'll be in dapper when it opens? | 03:41 |
| dseomn | thanks | 03:41 |
| freeflying | I don't know | 03:41 |
| siretart | freeflying: does that package work for you? | 03:43 |
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| freeflying | yeah | 03:45 |
| freeflying | I just put it on our svn server for testing | 03:46 |
| siretart | hm, new upstream | 03:46 |
| freeflying | if there iare no errors ,we will put it to our backports | 03:46 |
| siretart | hm. just installed scim 1.0.2-3 from breezy, but I could not reproduce that crash | 03:46 |
| dseomn | I only get the crash with scim-setup, did you try that? | 03:47 |
| siretart | yes, I get a nice gtk menu | 03:48 |
| siretart | gtk app, even | 03:48 |
| siretart | no segfault | 03:48 |
| dseomn | what modules do you have installed? | 03:48 |
| siretart | I just did a apt-get install scim | 03:48 |
| Riddell | freeflying: siretart is your man for REVU accounts | 03:48 |
| siretart | ah, hi Riddell ;) | 03:49 |
| freeflying | thanks you all | 03:49 |
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| dseomn | wfm now, looks like the problem is in the module | 03:50 |
| freeflying | scim-1.0.2 works well for me ubder hoary and breezy | 03:50 |
| spacey_ki | i have segfaults with scim | 03:51 |
| spacey_ki | Loading Setup Module pinyin-imengine-setup | 03:52 |
| spacey_ki | Segmentation fault | 03:52 |
| spacey_ki | when i run scim-setup | 03:52 |
| spacey_ki | its occurs in several modules afiak | 03:52 |
| spacey_ki | afaik | 03:52 |
| spacey_ki | siretart, install all scim modules you can find and try again :) | 03:52 |
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| pef | to delete CVS dirs from an upstream tarball, what's the best way ? adding a get-orig-source to rules, or deleting them by hand and notice this into README.debian ? | 03:56 |
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| spayne | what is the command to rebuild a package | 04:09 |
| spayne | i have apt-get source it | 04:09 |
| dseomn | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 04:10 |
| spayne | i am building acroread on PPC | 04:11 |
| dseomn | isn't acroread binary only? | 04:11 |
| Lathiat | yes | 04:12 |
| Lathiat | so that wont work | 04:12 |
| spayne | why is there no PPC package? | 04:12 |
| Lathiat | because there is no binary for PPC | 04:12 |
| siretart | spayne: ask adobe | 04:12 |
| Lathiat | its a binary by adobe | 04:12 |
| Lathiat | its not open source | 04:12 |
| dseomn | spayne: is there a reason evince doesn't work for you? | 04:13 |
| spayne | it works, just some PDFs aren't rendered correctly | 04:13 |
| dseomn | if the pdfs are freely downloadable or allow redistribution, file a bug against evince with the pdf files | 04:14 |
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| eazel7 | hi ppl | 05:04 |
| eazel7 | I have prepared a debianized sources, but now I need apply it a patch, how can I do? | 05:04 |
| janimo | hi eazel7 | 05:05 |
| janimo | can you vbe more specific? | 05:05 |
| janimo | what to you mean by neet to apply it a patch? | 05:05 |
| eazel7 | I have prepared a folder ready to do dpkg-buildpackage, but before I do I need to apply a patch to the sources, how can I do so it get's incorporated to the diff.gz? | 05:06 |
| janimo | well a clean way involves using dpatch | 05:07 |
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| janimo | it uses a directory called patches under debian/ | 05:08 |
| eazel7 | aha | 05:08 |
| janimo | which are applied when building teh binary deb | 05:08 |
| janimo | but stay separated from the source | 05:08 |
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| eazel7 | great, that's one thing I need, I'm gonna read about dpatch | 05:09 |
| janimo | I have not made packages using dpatch only saw them so you may want to read up on it | 05:09 |
| janimo | ok good luck :) | 05:09 |
| eazel7 | thanks | 05:09 |
| janimo | http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=7 | 05:09 |
| janimo | written by one of the old time motus | 05:10 |
| eazel7 | hehehehehe | 05:10 |
| eazel7 | thanks JanC | 05:10 |
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| eazel7 | janimo | 05:10 |
| eazel7 | JanC, sorry, I didn't want to wake you up =P | 05:11 |
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| eazel7 | I dislike how xchat manages the tab but in a case insensitive way... =/ | 05:11 |
| janimo | eazel7, you're welcome | 05:11 |
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| thierry | when I try to dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -S | 05:40 |
| thierry | a package I get this : debian/rules:5: /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/gnome.mk: No such file or directory | 05:40 |
| thierry | this happens only with the new packages... what Do I need to make it work? | 05:41 |
| Hirion | thierry: do you have cdbs installed? | 05:43 |
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| sivang | -+ | 05:43 |
| ivoks | hi | 05:43 |
| thierry | Hirion : well I blocked by this bug : https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/gnucash/+bug/3145 so I can't install anything until this one is fixed or if I get a workaround | 05:44 |
| thierry | Hirion : so if you have a solution for me... | 05:45 |
| Hirion | hm, I have no idea | 05:48 |
| thierry | I'm trying to uninstall gnucash and gnucash-common... maybe it will do | 05:49 |
| thierry | Hirion : yep this is working... | 05:49 |
| Hirion | ok | 05:50 |
| thierry | thanks | 05:51 |
| Hirion | hehe no problem, but I did nothing. I am too tired... ;) | 05:52 |
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| ivoks | lol | 06:36 |
| ivoks | no one no where :) | 06:36 |
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| Nafallo | ssssh, we're idling :-P | 06:40 |
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| ivoks | hehe | 06:41 |
| ivoks | well | 06:41 |
| ivoks | you guys know we released broken banshee? :) | 06:41 |
| Treenaks | ivoks: we're not alone | 06:41 |
| ivoks | or, to be more honest, broken gtk-sharp | 06:41 |
| Treenaks | *points at suse 10* | 06:41 |
| ivoks | i know :) | 06:41 |
| ivoks | damn applet | 06:42 |
| ivoks | apple | 06:42 |
| ivoks | first samba, now this | 06:42 |
| Nafallo | did we? | 06:42 |
| ivoks | they are taking steps of microsoft... | 06:42 |
| Kyral | its only broken if someone finds a bug ;P | 06:42 |
| ivoks | Nafallo: yup, gtk-sharp doesn't work if one uses ipod with itunes5 | 06:43 |
| ivoks | it isn't broken | 06:43 |
| ivoks | but there is a certain incomaptibility | 06:43 |
| ivoks | so.. | 06:43 |
| ivoks | i wanted to ask | 06:43 |
| ivoks | if i/we/someone creates newer packages | 06:43 |
| Nafallo | then gtk-sharp is golden and the ipodlibs are broken? | 06:43 |
| ivoks | should we put them in updates? | 06:43 |
| Kyral | They will go into REVU for Dapper ;P | 06:43 |
| ivoks | Nafallo: i said gtk-sharp? lol sorryu | 06:44 |
| ivoks | ipod-sharp | 06:44 |
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| Nafallo | well, that's another deal | 06:44 |
| Nafallo | blame slomo ;-) | 06:44 |
| ivoks | heh :) | 06:45 |
| ivoks | what's that tool to update old source with newer source, preserving debian subdir? | 06:46 |
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| Yagisan | ivoks: uupdate ? | 06:49 |
| Nafallo | uscan is even better :-) | 06:49 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: right! thanks | 06:50 |
| Yagisan | bah - it's 2:50am, if I can even remember what leter it starts with I'm doing well | 06:50 |
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| === Yagisan sighs, still getting badsig from the archives | ||
| Nafallo | Yagisan: breezy-updates? | 06:51 |
| Yagisan | Nafallo: yes | 06:52 |
| Nafallo | I can reproduce that :-P | 06:53 |
| Yagisan | Nafallo: I bugged -devel yesterday about that | 06:54 |
| ivoks | yup, me too | 06:54 |
| ivoks | this is bad... | 06:54 |
| ivoks | we are discussing how to go enterprise, and we have broken archives | 06:54 |
| ivoks | :( | 06:54 |
| Yagisan | I'd like them to fix it, I won't upgrade my boxes until it's fixed | 06:54 |
| Yagisan | as far as I'm concerned badsig == possible compromise | 06:55 |
| ivoks | we should have team that will take care of archives - only | 06:55 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: right | 06:55 |
| Yagisan | most of you know what my day job is - so I'm suitably paranoid | 06:55 |
| Nafallo | guys... I can't reproduce that anymore :-P | 06:58 |
| === Yagisan sighs - this isn't good for promoting ubuntu at all | ||
| Yagisan | Nafallo: 7 out of 8 updates did it for me | 06:58 |
| Yagisan | Nafallo: update 5 was the only clear one | 06:58 |
| Nafallo | 3/3 are clean for me now :-) | 06:58 |
| Yagisan | Nafallo: you need more boxes and/or chroots to update | 06:59 |
| Nafallo | huh? | 07:00 |
| Nafallo | nafallo@darkelf:~ $ sudo apt-get update && ssh ogre sudo apt-get update && sudo pbuilder update | 07:00 |
| Nafallo | will that suffice? | 07:00 |
| Nafallo | :-P | 07:00 |
| Yagisan | Nafallo: I have a lot of chroots and boxes - the more you update, the better your chance of getting badsig | 07:01 |
| Yagisan | I should go to bed, I'll try again in a few hours | 07:02 |
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| Yagisan | night all | 07:02 |
| Nafallo | 3/3 again for what's it worth :-P | 07:03 |
| spayne | aloha! | 07:03 |
| Nafallo | morning | 07:03 |
| Yagisan | Nafallo: I hate you :-P (what's your mirror, it works better then mine) | 07:04 |
| Nafallo | Yagisan: localhost:9999 ;-) | 07:05 |
| Yagisan | Nafallo: apt-proxy | 07:05 |
| Nafallo | se.archive.ubuntu.com as first entry :-) | 07:05 |
| Yagisan | Nafallo: I use apt-cacher | 07:05 |
| Nafallo | I used apt-cacher before I saw apt-proxy was more likely to move to main ;-) | 07:06 |
| Yagisan | Nafallo: I set up apt-proxy and instead of 15 mins no proxy to build a pbuilder | 07:06 |
| Yagisan | Yagisan: it went to 50 with a full cache | 07:06 |
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| Nafallo | odd | 07:06 |
| Nafallo | works here though :-P | 07:07 |
| Yagisan | Nafallo: apt-cacher took 5 | 07:07 |
| Yagisan | Nafallo: apt-proxy seems to unpack every archive on the fly | 07:07 |
| Yagisan | Nafallo: the proxy box here is sub 300Mhz | 07:08 |
| Nafallo | I use my laptop, http://www.magicalforest.se/darkelf | 07:08 |
| Yagisan | Nafallo: I'd file a bug, but I think is expected behaviour | 07:08 |
| Nafallo | hmm, looks like I have all packages in cache already :-P | 07:09 |
| Yagisan | Nafallo: slap-happy is it - it's a lot quicker then my proxy | 07:10 |
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| Nafallo | hihi, that's more to describe the highload I'll put on her at times ;-) | 07:11 |
| Yagisan | Nafallo: try running apt-proxy on ogre, that should be similar to my proxy | 07:11 |
| Nafallo | did you miss the part of "main only!"? ;-) | 07:12 |
| Yagisan | Nafallo: no - I thought you were mr universe security :) | 07:13 |
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| Nafallo | I might have been, that's why I know the state of that project ;-) | 07:13 |
| === Yagisan has a different definition of main | ||
| === Yagisan thinks main is everything he needs to get the job done :) | ||
| Yagisan | Catch you later Nafallo, I've got to drag myself to bed now | 07:15 |
| Nafallo | oki, say hello from me :-) | 07:15 |
| Nafallo | and gnight :-) | 07:15 |
| ivoks | bye all | 07:21 |
| pef | if someone can have a look ;) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=794 | 07:24 |
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| pef | have to go, bye ! | 08:04 |
| dooglus | I used "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" to build a package. then I changed the source a little. I don't think I need to "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" again, since that will try to re-apply the patches. so how do I rebuild now? | 08:04 |
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| KraetziChriZ | Hi Guys | 08:27 |
| KraetziChriZ | After Upgrading to KDE 3.4.3 the KDE/QT-Tool "klibido" is a littlebit broken -> http://www.ubuntuusers.de/download.php?id=153 -> anyone know what there is going wrong? | 08:27 |
| KraetziChriZ | (too many menues..)+ | 08:28 |
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| ajmitch | \sh_away: sure, I obviously wasn't thinking straight with libofx - I tested the upgrade from libofx1c2 & forgot libofx1c102 | 09:40 |
| ajmitch | or something like that ;) | 09:40 |
| slomo | hi ajmitch :) any comments to my packages? and how was your weekend? | 09:41 |
| ajmitch | quiet weekend | 09:41 |
| ajmitch | didn't really use my computer over the weekend, sorry :) | 09:42 |
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| slomo | oh, no problem ;) mine wasn't even on this weekend so nm :) anyway... i'm soooo tired ;) gn8 everybody | 09:43 |
| ajmitch | bye :) | 09:43 |
| mbreit | good evening! | 09:43 |
| mbreit | and bye slomo ;) | 09:43 |
| siretart | gn8 slomo | 09:44 |
| siretart | hi mbreit! | 09:44 |
| mbreit | hey siretart | 09:45 |
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| \sh | remoins | 09:50 |
| mbreit | moin \sh | 09:50 |
| \sh | hey mbreit | 09:50 |
| \sh | ajmitch: ping we need to fix/update somehow libofx | 09:51 |
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| ajmitch | \sh: :P | 09:56 |
| ajmitch | \sh: I was just pinging you about it 15min ago | 09:57 |
| \sh | think i have to reactivate my message backlog with dircproxy | 09:57 |
| \sh | hey ogra | 09:58 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 09:58 |
| \sh | ajmitch: we have to let it approve from mdz or kamion | 09:58 |
| ajmitch | yup | 09:58 |
| \sh | ajmitch: we missed at least libofx0c102 | 09:58 |
| ajmitch | it only needs extra Replaces, again | 09:58 |
| \sh | the version which was in hoary | 09:59 |
| ogra | \sh, wow, you were quick | 09:59 |
| ajmitch | I at least got the Replaces on the right package, I only had 1 old libofx version on my disk though :) | 09:59 |
| ajmitch | morning ogra | 09:59 |
| ogra | evening ajmitch | 09:59 |
| \sh | ogra: 19:27 - 21:23 to sindorf and then 10 mins walking :) | 10:00 |
| mbreit | hey orga | 10:00 |
| ogra | hey mbreit | 10:00 |
| \sh | ogra: but the train was full of very very strange people | 10:00 |
| mbreit | hmm... i think i will go to bed as well... the lectures at university are starting again tomorrow, so i have to get up early | 10:00 |
| ogra | \sh, i think there wasa race at huerburgring today... i had a traffic jam on my way back | 10:01 |
| mbreit | so good night ;) | 10:01 |
| ogra | *nuerburgring | 10:01 |
| \sh | ogra: can be....and some icehockey games in cologne...central station was overcrowded by special units and police | 10:01 |
| ajmitch | \sh: so libofx should be a quick fix, it just needs approved :) | 10:02 |
| KraetziChriZ | hmmm anyone have a minute to look at my problem with klibido? :| | 10:03 |
| \sh | ogra: and thx again for the nice stay :) | 10:03 |
| \sh | KraetziChriZ: whats the problem? as i said, I think jre brought it in now | 10:03 |
| KraetziChriZ | \sh: hmm the depend-problems are my thing.. but have a look at the tool: | 10:04 |
| KraetziChriZ | http://www.ubuntuusers.de/download.php?id=153 | 10:04 |
| ogra | \sh, thanks for the nice visit :) suse says thanks too :) | 10:04 |
| \sh | ajmitch: so libofx2 -> replaces: the whole chain of binary packages and the same for libofx-dev? | 10:04 |
| ajmitch | \sh: whatever works ;) | 10:04 |
| KraetziChriZ | i have everything 2 times... it works.. it is doing what the tool shoud do.. but there is something bad O_o | 10:05 |
| \sh | KraetziChriZ: what? | 10:05 |
| KraetziChriZ | http://www.ubuntuusers.de/download.php?id=153 <- link to an screenshot | 10:05 |
| KraetziChriZ | my english is bad.. sry.. :\ | 10:05 |
| \sh | ajmitch: hehe as i said this afternoon to infinity it's our waterloo | 10:05 |
| KraetziChriZ | \sh: the entrys menues.. and the context-menu are cloned.. have a look.. | 10:06 |
| \sh | KraetziChriZ: u mean the color bars? i don't think it has something to do with klibido | 10:06 |
| \sh | oh | 10:06 |
| KraetziChriZ | on the screenshot there is the button "Move to top" 2 times... | 10:06 |
| KraetziChriZ | and everything is there "2 times" | 10:06 |
| \sh | u blacked out the pr0n :) ok..see the problem | 10:06 |
| KraetziChriZ | there is something wrong O_o | 10:07 |
| KraetziChriZ | but the tool is downloading.. hehe... 10gigs this day.. works perfect.. :D | 10:07 |
| KraetziChriZ | nice new pr0n :P | 10:07 |
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| \sh | KraetziChriZ: i'll check it tomorrow...when i'm with my (k)ubuntu laptop again...here on this small baby i don't have kde installed | 10:08 |
| KraetziChriZ | small baby.. hehe.. :D | 10:08 |
| \sh | ogra: the next I have to get a barrell of scottish whiskey ,) | 10:08 |
| \sh | time even | 10:08 |
| ogra | lol | 10:08 |
| KraetziChriZ | \sh: hehe.. whiskey is good =) | 10:09 |
| \sh | ogra: and suse can try the rum...if she likes it :) | 10:10 |
| ogra | susus laughs :) | 10:11 |
| ogra | \sh, the winter here is cold and unfriendly, a hot grog is graet then :) | 10:12 |
| \sh | ogra: hahaha...so u should by an oven :) | 10:13 |
| ogra | i'll do next week... let me find one first :) | 10:13 |
| \sh | ogra: and we forgot to hang the cupboard | 10:13 |
| \sh | grmpf | 10:13 |
| ogra | yup | 10:13 |
| ogra | i'll manage it alone, dont worry | 10:13 |
| \sh | ogra: well..i wanted to some real work...:) | 10:14 |
| \sh | do even | 10:15 |
| ogra | yes, but i have to myve my butt a bit after 2 months of edubuntu development, so its fine to do it aone | 10:15 |
| ogra | *move | 10:16 |
| \sh | hmm..now i have to think of your gf.."your butt is ok...but your titties..." *runsveryfast* | 10:17 |
| \sh | sry couldn | 10:17 |
| \sh | 't resist | 10:17 |
| ogra | heh | 10:17 |
| \sh | but yes..i know the feeling...i need some real work as well...didn't do anything during the last months...think i have to go to a gym | 10:18 |
| \sh | so last cigarette | 10:20 |
| siretart | for ever? | 10:20 |
| siretart | *g* | 10:21 |
| \sh | ajmitch: do u want to do libofx or should I...I wanted to play with some new pykde stuff tomorrow | 10:21 |
| \sh | siretart: for heavens sake no ;) | 10:21 |
| siretart | \sh: hehe | 10:21 |
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| \sh | siretart: if i would stop smoking now, then it's possible to survive my 65th birthday and then? i won't get any pension | 10:23 |
| siretart | hey! | 10:23 |
| siretart | don't be that pessimistic! | 10:23 |
| \sh | this was ... sarcastic :) | 10:23 |
| siretart | makes bad karma | 10:24 |
| \sh | -100 on malone? | 10:24 |
| \sh | ok.guys | 10:25 |
| \sh | sleeping time... | 10:25 |
| siretart | gn8 \sh | 10:26 |
| \sh | night everybody | 10:27 |
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| Tonio- | hello | 11:00 |
| ajmitch | hi | 11:02 |
| sivang | hey | 11:02 |
| sivang | hey ajmitch , what's cracking? | 11:03 |
| ajmitch | monday morning, at work | 11:04 |
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| crimsun | sivang: when you --list-key <your id>, you should see a sub | 11:14 |
| sivang | crimsun: let me try again :) | 11:14 |
| crimsun | sivang: if you don't see at least one sub, then it's a sign-only | 11:14 |
| ajmitch | and you probably see a few uids :) | 11:15 |
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| Lathiat | hey ajmitch | 11:24 |
| ajmitch | yo | 11:24 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch: looked at stone's key? :) | 11:24 |
| ajmitch | how are you this morning? :) | 11:24 |
| ajmitch | no? | 11:24 |
| Lathiat | good | 11:24 |
| ajmitch | what key is this? | 11:25 |
| Lathiat | 3CED7EFD | 11:25 |
| sivang | crimsun: ok, it has two keys | 11:26 |
| Lathiat | hrm wrong key | 11:26 |
| Lathiat | that ones revoked | 11:26 |
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| ajmitch | long bug threads on SCIM & acroread - they look to be possible candidates for breezy-updates | 11:58 |
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