[12:53] <Kyral> yo
[12:54] <sivang> hey Kyral
[12:54] <sivang> :)
[12:54] <sivang> 'sup dude?
[12:54] <Kyral> Finally getting around to ditching usplash and jacking up the res on my boot-up sequence :D
[12:54] <sivang> (I'm off to bed soonish, just wanted to answer so you won't get the feeling of an empty house ;-)
[12:54] <Kyral> Don't like Splash Screens :P
[12:54] <sivang> Kyral: with whom are you discussing it? what is that res for you boot-up sequence?
[12:55] <Kyral> It runs at 800x600 on a 1200x1024 monitor
[12:55] <Kyral> I'm just using a HOWTO offa the forums
[12:55] <Kyral> Also spicing up the colors ;P
[12:55] <sivang> ah cool :)
[12:55] <sivang> I have a friend who did this as well
[12:56] <Kyral> I find it comforting to see "OK!" scroll past at boot ;P
[12:56] <sivang> he wanted something more of the default
[12:56] <Kyral> I mean, a bootsplash in the style of Gentoo would be nice
[12:56] <Kyral> like its just like a terminal window
[12:56] <Kyral> but I don't know how to change USplash's image
[12:57] <sivang> Kyral: talk to mvo, I think he's the guy who did that.
[12:57] <Kyral> mmhmm
[12:57] <Kyral> Oh, Kernel 2.6.12-9 is out right?
[12:58] <Kyral> then why hasn't my usual update cycle snagged it...
[12:58] <sivang> Kyral: good night, if you found a bug don't forget to report it :)
[12:59] <Kyral> yup yup
[02:58] <Kyral> Nothing like compiling a new kernel on a Saturday night
[03:01] <Kyral> yo
[03:03] <LaserJock> Kyral: got nothing better to do? ;-)
[03:03] <Kyral> Yah
[03:03] <Kyral> and I wanted to streamline it
[03:04] <LaserJock> what are you streamlining?
[03:04] <Kyral> the kernel ;P
[03:04] <Kyral> 2.6.13.4
[03:05] <Kyral> I want to have it so only what I need to run my machine is in there
[03:05] <LaserJock> got preemtible kernel and stuff like that?
[03:05] <Kyral> Having a ****load of modules is fine for the kernel when you are installing onto a machine for the first time, but I've had this system for about 1 year now
[03:06] <Kyral> I know exactly whats in it ;D
[03:06] <Kyral> Partially prempt
[03:06] <Kyral> there is a new option
[03:07] <Kyral> tells you which is best for which application (Server, Desktop, Low-Mem)
[03:07] <LaserJock> cool
[03:07] <Kyral> and something I find really cool
[03:07] <Kyral> though just cosmetic
[03:07] <LaserJock> I haven't done a recompile of a kernel since I made the move to Ubuntu
[03:07] <Kyral> build in option that allows you to append a custom version string to the kernel ;P
[03:08] <LaserJock> I find the Ubuntu k7 kernel to be pretty speedy on my machine, but I know what you mean about having a butt load of modules
[03:08] <Kyral> I'm not using the KPackage thing
[03:08] <Kyral> I'm doing the old fashioned way
[03:08] <Kyral> download the tar.bz2 from Kernel.org, make oldconfig, make menuconfig, etc
[03:10] <Kyral> my CPU hasn't seen this much full power compiling in a LONG time :D
[03:13] <LaserJock> iv'e was doing a lot of compiling for the FTBFS push the day Brezzy came out
[03:16] <Kyral> My CPU has been at full load since 8:49 PM EST :P
[03:17] <LaserJock> compiling your kernel?
[03:19] <Kyral> bingo :P
[03:19] <Kyral> Another reason I wanna cut it down. Save compile time ;P
[03:20] <LaserJock> geez, what kind of processor are you running? PII ;-)
[03:21] <Kyral> Athlon XP 2700+ @ 2.1 GHz
[03:21] <LaserJock> hhmmm, doesn't seem like it should take that much time
[03:21] <Kyral> You don't understand, the Ubuntu Config enables just about EVERY MODULE
[03:22] <Kyral> Crap compile error
[03:22] <LaserJock> but I though you were getting rid of those you don't need
[03:22] <LaserJock> *thought
[03:22] <Kyral> NOW I will
[04:00] <chillywilly> MOTUs rule
[04:17] <g14> Does anyone agree with me when I say that the default ubuntu (or debian) install should have more than just a / partition set up by default?
[04:17] <g14> I'm writing a presentation / paper on why and would like some feedback
[04:18] <Nafallo> g14: it has already.
[04:19] <Nafallo> so... no :-)
[04:19] <g14> Nafallo: What partitions does it seperate?
[04:19] <Nafallo> / and swap :-)
[04:20] <g14> lol, smarta**
[04:20] <g14> I was thinking about some cool use cases though
[04:20] <Nafallo> don't. if you need that you should manage to make the partitioning manually.
[04:20] <g14> Like you put in a dapper cd and it recognizes that /home is on it's own partition. It wipes and updates everything but home after you say yes when prompted to upgrade
[04:21] <g14> For security and stability, it makes more sense
[04:21] <g14> I mean it's not a huge change, but it would make ubuntu, just "that much better TM"
[04:22] <Nafallo> a, so what you want is not to change the default behavior but add a warning or something like that then.
[04:23] <g14> no, /boot, /tmp, /var, and /home should be on seperate partitions by default
[04:23] <g14> It would be trivial to add to the installer
[04:23] <Nafallo> could you add a wishlist bugg against installer on bugzilla (I guess that's still the BTS for main)
[04:23] <Nafallo> ehm, IMO they should not.
[04:23] <g14> Why not?
[04:23] <g14> Give me a good reason
[04:24] <Nafallo> cause users will be annoyed when their last megs they need for yet another porndownload exists on /boot
[04:24] <Nafallo> they can't use that
[04:24] <g14> well /boot only needs about 20MB
[04:24] <Nafallo> so?
[04:25] <Nafallo> if there are 10MB free and /home is filled you got an annoyed user.
[04:25] <eazel7> hi ppl
[04:25] <g14> And what if their pornodownload makes their system unbootable?
[04:25] <Nafallo> ehm... we are using linux :-)
[04:25] <g14> Then they are way pissed at linux and hate it for "sucking so bad"
[04:25] <Nafallo> 5% are always reserved for root :-)
[04:26] <g14> To a newbie, gnome = linux
[04:26] <eazel7> where can I find info about next ubuntu dev branch?
[04:26] <g14> So if gnome doesn't load, linux sucks
[04:26] <Nafallo> what I said
[04:26] <g14> And is broken
[04:26] <g14> logical partitioning would prevent that from ever happening
[04:26] <Nafallo> eazel7: what info are you looking for? :-)
[04:27] <Nafallo> g14: still not needed in most cases
[04:27] <eazel7> Nafallo, now that breezy is released, where's the unstable?
[04:27] <Amaranth> eazel7: see #ubuntu-devel topic
[04:27] <g14> Key word, "most cases"
[04:27] <Nafallo> eazel7: there is none. it's opened next week.
[04:27] <Nafallo> g14: the rest of the cases can use manual partitioning.
[04:27] <g14> Ubuntu doesn't ship with a grub splash because on some video cards / archs, it makes the menu look very weird
[04:28] <eazel7> thanks
[04:28] <g14> So "most cases" were trumped for the minority
[04:28] <g14> If it is preventable for the minority to have a messed up system and it doesn't affect anyone else, isn't that a much better idea?
[04:28] <Nafallo> well, I had grubsplash on one boot. I didn't get to see it, so I removed it :-).
[04:28] <Amaranth> g14: I'd rather have a dull grub that works everywhere than a flashy grub that causes headaches in #ubuntu
[04:28] <Nafallo> we are talking about corner-cases here.
[04:29] <g14> Amaranth: That is my point
[04:29] <g14> Amaranth: Setting up seperate partitons by default would save problems
[04:30] <Nafallo> anyway, I'm not the one taking decisions.
[04:30] <g14> I am asking for opinions, not decisions
[04:31] <Nafallo> but both debian and ubuntu have always had root+swap. I trust both of the devel-teams on that decision :-).
[04:31] <g14> I am writing a case on why this should be implimented
[04:31] <g14> Every distro is root + swap
[04:31] <Nafallo> probably for good reasons then :-)
[04:31] <g14> It would take some thought on how to do it, but with planning, it would be much better
[04:32] <Nafallo> personally I would rather see LVM used by default, but that's just me ;-)
[04:32] <g14> but both debian and ubuntu have always had a slow and linear boot
[04:32] <g14> I trust that they will both be moving to a dependency based init in the future
[04:32] <Nafallo> ehm... how would the boot be faster with more partitions? ;-)
[04:32] <Nafallo> more forks? more fsck?
[04:32] <g14> noatime to /var and /tmp will cause less of the stat() function call
[04:33] <g14> technically
[04:33] <g14> I was using that as an example that just because something is and always has been doesn't mean it shouldn't change
[04:33] <g14> for the better
[04:34] <Amaranth> g14: sounds good, less IO is always better
[04:34] <g14> less stat() calls during boot means less disk IO
[04:34] <g14> Amaranth: Exactly
[04:34] <g14> With / as one big partiton, it's not possible to do that
[04:35] <Nafallo> well, when in laptop-mode / is noatime. why not make that permanent if it causes the delays of several microseconds? ;-)
[04:35] <g14> I want to get as much input on this before I present it to the dev team and community to weight the pros and cons
[04:35] <Nafallo> honestly, if you need those tweaks you would probably use gentoo :-P
[04:35] <g14> No
[04:35] <g14> Ubuntu is about the system that "just works TM"
[04:35] <g14> You shouldn't have to worry abou it breaking, the devs made it very fault tolerant and secure
[04:36] <g14> This is yet another way to do that
[04:37] <g14> I mean Ubuntu has taken some of the best ideas from other distributions and rolled them into (in my opinion) the best desktop linux distro there is
[04:37] <g14> Why not make it better?
[04:37] <Lathiat> atime is usefull
[04:37] <Lathiat> and things rely on it
[04:38] <g14> Lathiat: That was just an example
[04:38] <g14>  /home should be mounted with nosuid and nodev in my opinion
[04:39] <g14> another very trivial change that adds quite a bit securitywise
[04:39] <Lathiat> not really
[04:40] <g14> I compromise your account as a worm and use mknod to create hda in your ~
[04:40] <g14> I have raw access to the drive and all of your files
[04:40] <g14> mounting /home with nodev would prevent that
[04:40] <g14> And break nothing
[04:41] <Nafallo> hmm, angry girlfriend here now :-P
[04:41] <Lathiat> so you have raw access to my drive
[04:42] <Lathiat> you fiddle with / instead
[04:42] <Nafallo> gtg 4:41 here ;-)
[04:42] <g14> Nafallo: Those are always fun
[04:42] <Lathiat> g14: you can only mknod if your root, dude
[04:42] <g14> Lathiat: I realize this
[04:42] <Lathiat> same for suid files, you need to be the target user
[04:43] <Lathiat> i suppose suid has a better argument than nodev
[04:43] <g14> ok
[04:43] <Lathiat> since suid can be set on other users stuff
[04:43] <g14> yes
[04:43] <Lathiat> but still
[04:43] <g14> I'm not trying to argue
[04:43] <g14> What would it break?
[04:43] <Lathiat> anyone that wants to use suid apps
[04:43] <g14> in /home?
[04:43] <Lathiat> alot of people dont even make /home separate
[04:44] <g14> Lathiat: You didn't read the start of this convo did you
[04:44] <g14> I'm not saying people should make /home seperate
[04:44] <Lathiat> g14: you cant make it nosuid/nodev unless you do afaik
[04:44] <g14> I am saying that the debian-installer should make /, /boot, /tmp, and /home seperate by default
[04:44] <Lathiat> oh
[04:45] <g14> *and /var
[04:45] <Lathiat> i disagree with that, its annoying when you run out of space :)
[04:45] <g14> for logs, that is important
[04:45] <g14> Ok, here is another idea that would require more dev time to start up, but might be even more elegant
[04:45] <Lathiat> g14: well really
[04:45] <Lathiat> in a desktop systme its nto that critical
[04:45] <Lathiat> and most important logs are root
[04:45] <Lathiat> and so can eat the uh
[04:45] <Lathiat> reserved space
[04:46] <Lathiat> and if you need this security its not hard to add it yourself
[04:46] <Lathiat> (is my point)
[04:46] <g14> And when that reserved space is gone?
[04:46] <Lathiat> g14: then your fucked
[04:46] <Lathiat> but if you really care
[04:46] <Lathiat> i.e. in a server system
[04:46] <Lathiat> you can do this kind of thing yourself
[04:46] <g14> I'm not talking about a server
[04:46] <g14> I am talking about a desktop for some idiot I just moved from windows, what does ls do user
[04:47] <Lathiat> g14: an idiot that moved from windows doesn't give a shit about his logs
[04:47] <g14> You're not seeing the bigger picture
[04:47] <g14> Yes
[04:47] <g14> Linux on the desktop is taking off
[04:47] <Lathiat> i see the big picture, im just trying to argue the point of security vs inconvenience
[04:47] <g14> With increased usage, comes increased attacks against it
[04:47] <Lathiat> g14: true
[04:47] <g14> So secure by default is VERY important
[04:48] <g14> And will be much more so in the future
[04:48] <Lathiat> we're already very secure byb default
[04:48] <Lathiat> cant write to system files etc
[04:48] <g14> I don't think that this would be an inconveniance with proper implimentation
[04:48] <Lathiat> g14: but all these features you mention have potential inconveniences
[04:49] <g14> Lathiat: Ok, so this is all done with lvm
[04:49] <Lathiat> partitioning up wastes space and users wonder where it went, nosuid/nodev can break things (well, not nodev s omuch)
[04:49] <Lathiat> g14: mm, that could work better
[04:49] <g14> Lathiat: A stupid easy tool is created to resize partitons
[04:49] <Lathiat> still
[04:49] <Lathiat> even a dumbshit desktop user, if comrpomised, the logs arent going to be much good
[04:49] <g14> And a very simple explanation is given on why it improves security
[04:49] <Lathiat> if the disk fills up, oops
[04:49] <g14> Why do you keep mentioning the logs?
[04:50] <Lathiat> thats why theres reserve space
[04:50] <Lathiat> so you can still boot
[04:50] <Lathiat> still write out stuff
[04:50] <Lathiat> etc
[04:50] <tseng> i would argue that it doesnt improve security that much
[04:50] <Lathiat> g14: because thats a specific example you gave me
[04:50] <g14> If / fills up with logs owned by root, the system doesn't do much
[04:50] <Lathiat> g14: give me another
[04:50] <g14> Did you hear my use case earlier?
[04:50] <Lathiat> no i wasnt around
[04:50] <Lathiat> i looked up but it was far too long to re-read ;p
[04:50] <tseng> we are working hard at removing suid
[04:51] <g14> You pop in a dapper cd and it detects that /home is it's own partiton. Among the default wipe entire drive options, you get an upgrade option
[04:51] <g14> the "upgrade" option wipes the entire drive minus /home and everything boots with the same settings but a newer distro
[04:51] <g14> That would be nice
[04:51] <Lathiat> no that woudl suck
[04:51] <tseng> dist-upgrade?
[04:51] <g14> why?
[04:51] <Lathiat> i lose all my custom installed stuff and settings
[04:51] <Lathiat> in /etc, /usr/local
[04:52] <Lathiat> and im a silly user
[04:52] <Lathiat> so i installed vmware in /usr/bin
[04:52] <tseng> apt already handles upgrades just fine
[04:52] <g14> tseng: Try dist-upgrading from hoary to breezy with more than a handful of packages from multiverse installed
[04:52] <Lathiat> thats the fault of the packages
[04:52] <Lathiat> not the system
[04:52] <g14> tseng: I don't think so. It will crap out on you. (I did it on 2 laptops and a desktop)
[04:52] <g14> No, thats the fault of ubuntu to the users
[04:52] <Lathiat> and probably caused by having extenral repos  installed for media stuff
[04:52] <Lathiat> the fix is to fix the packages
[04:52] <tseng> congratulations
[04:52] <g14> no external repos
[04:52] <tseng> fix the packages
[04:53] <Lathiat> not to wipe the whole system on upgrade
[04:53] <Lathiat> if you had specific breakages
[04:53] <tseng> dont create some elaborate work around
[04:53] <g14> Multiverse and univers
[04:53] <Lathiat> please file bugs so we can fix it
[04:53] <tseng> justified by bad packages
[04:53] <g14> It was ubuntu-desktop
[04:53] <g14> I had to manually remove it
[04:53] <g14> Due to unmet dependencies
[04:53] <Lathiat> then you broke something good
[04:53] <Lathiat> what dependencies?
[04:54] <g14> Also, when I dist-upgraded, usplash was not enabled
[04:54] <Lathiat> please file bugs about these things
[04:54] <g14> I installed the gstreamer plugins from multiverse and a ton of universe apps. dist-upgrade to breezy did not work without some hackery
[04:54] <g14> ok
[04:54] <Lathiat> we cant fix these things if no-one tells us about them :)
[04:55] <Lathiat> we often dont notice this kind of thing
[04:55] <Lathiat> as we run breezy throughout
[04:55] <Lathiat> and upgrade tests are often done on base installs etc
[04:55] <g14> I would think that no usplash from a clean updated hoary <--> breezy dist-upgrade would be noticed
[04:56] <g14> Stock hoary with all of the updates. dist-upgrade to breezy and usplash doesn't show
[04:56] <g14> I verified that twice
[04:56] <Lathiat> if you didnt have ubuntu-desktop installed
[04:56] <Lathiat> maybe you didnt get a new kernel
[04:56] <g14> Stock install
[04:56] <g14> nothing tweaked whatsoever
[05:00] <ajmitch> afternoon
[05:00] <g14> If no one agrees with me, I will drop it
[05:00] <g14> ajmitch: evening :)
[05:03] <ajmitch> I obviously didn't add in enough Replaces: before release
[05:03] <ajmitch> oh well
[05:04] <tseng> Replaces: *
[05:04] <ajmitch> if only
[05:04] <ajmitch> needed 1c102 as well for hoary->breezy magic
[07:49] <Kyral> Word of advice, if you compile your own kernel and use NVidia, don't enable the NVidia Framebuffer
[07:49] <Kyral> it locks the device so it can't be probed or something like that
[09:03] <crimsun> that's a known issue from way back and is documented in the README..
[09:04] <crimsun> (what Kyral mentioned RE: Nvidio drivers and rivafb.ko)
[10:05] <swestres> Good morning, known universe
[10:05] <sivang> morning
[10:05] <swestres> How's it hangin?
[10:05] <jsgotangco> hi
[10:29] <zyga> hello
[10:38] <siretart> hi
[10:38] <sivang> hey siretart
[11:00] <ajmitch> hi
[11:00] <crimsun> hi
[11:00] <\sh> moins
[11:01] <ajmitch> what's happening?
[11:02] <\sh> ogra and suse are still sleeping and I have a headache ;)
[11:02] <siretart> suse?
[11:02] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:02] <sivang> the cat
[11:02] <sivang> :)
[11:02] <ajmitch> \sh: why the headache? hungover? ;)
[11:03] <sivang> ajmitch: they were out all night drinking and partying :)
[11:03] <ajmitch> no surprise there..
[11:04] <\sh> sivang: no..ogras gf :)
[11:04] <\sh> the two cats are awake and running around, same applies to fred the dog ;)
[11:05] <zakame> hi all
[11:05] <sivang> hey zakame
[11:08] <spayne> \sh: ping
[11:08] <\sh> spayne: headache pong
[11:09] <spayne> \sh: i got my GPG signed yesterday!
[11:09] <spayne> \sh: is there a way to check my key is in the strong set?
[11:10] <crimsun> sure, look in biglumber.com or in launchpad's
[11:10] <zakame> spayne: http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/ henkp/pgp/pathfinder/
[11:12] <spayne> zakame: http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/mk_path.cgi?FROM=C137358E&STATS=statistics&TO=FC243F3C
[11:13] <spayne> zakame: but it does exist on that key server, i uploaded it to subkeys.pgp.net and pgp.mit.edu last night
[11:14] <spayne> any ideas?
[11:14] <zakame> probably hasn't propagated yet :(
[11:15] <spayne> zakame: i just don't know if i've done it right as i'm new to all this
[11:15] <\sh> 24h to sync all servers
[11:16] <spayne> i think the probles is here
[11:16] <crimsun> yeah it usually takes a day at least
[11:16] <spayne> to see if my key is in the strong set, it tells me to go to http://keyserver.kjsl.com/~jharris/ka/current/C1/C137358E
[11:17] <Lathiat> spayne: if it was only just done it'l take a bit for the key to propogate etc
[11:19] <spayne> does this look ok though: http://pgp.surfnet.nl:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0xC137358E
[11:20] <Lathiat> looks alright
[11:20] <Lathiat> jon is signed by debian people etc so should be fine
[11:21] <spayne> Lathiat: i just need to sign the CoC and i'm set for the next CC meeting
[11:21] <ajmitch> and you have a clear & consistent record of work done?
[11:22] <spayne> i do - yes
[11:22] <spayne> i need to finish some bits off though
[11:22] <spayne> i'm in the middle of packaging dopi and writing up stuff about Hula on the Wiki
[11:22] <Lathiat> spayne: make a good wiki page
[11:22] <Lathiat> write a bit about yourself
[11:22] <Lathiat> what you do outside ubuntu
[11:22] <spayne> Lathiat: done!
[11:22] <Lathiat> and then link to as much info as possible
[11:22] <Lathiat> like mailing list posts
[11:22] <Lathiat> bug reports
[11:22] <Lathiat> wiki contributions
[11:22] <Lathiat> etc
[11:22] <spayne> Lathiat: wiki.ubuntu.com/SebPayne
[11:22] <Lathiat> spayne: url?
[11:23] <Lathiat> ah wow
[11:23] <sivang> spayne: what is dopi ? :)
[11:23] <Lathiat> looks good!
[11:23] <spayne> Lathiat: have i done enough though?
[11:23] <Lathiat> spayne: link those packages to changelogs.ubuntu.com and/or the relevant breezy-changes archive post
[11:23] <ajmitch> spayne: maybe
[11:23] <spayne> sivang: a kick ass iPod transfer tool written by snorp
[11:24] <spayne> sivang: i am packaging it for Dapper when it opens
[11:24] <spayne> sivang: it is all ready to go (i think)
[11:24] <crimsun> spayne: also list your GPG key on your wiki page
[11:24] <sivang> spayne: koool :)
[11:24] <spayne> crimsun: good idea :)
[11:24] <sivang> crimsun: I thought having it registered in Launchpad is enough no?
[11:25] <Lathiat> link to your launchpad page
[11:25] <Lathiat> and update it with your gpg, ssh, etc
[11:25] <Lathiat> and the CoC
[11:25] <Lathiat> you sign the CoC in launchpad now
[11:25] <Lathiat> so its relativel easy to do
[11:26] <crimsun> be careful not to use a sign-only key atm, because launchpad will explode
[11:26] <Lathiat> 'explode' ? :)
[11:26] <crimsun> the infamous red oops page
[11:26] <Lathiat> crimsun: why is that anyway\like, whats the difference
[11:26] <Lathiat> ah
[11:26] <Lathiat> just doesnt handle them
[11:27] <crimsun> right. It's being worked on.
[11:27] <Lathiat> yep
[11:28] <spayne> Lathiat: link my wiki page to launchpad page?
[11:28] <sivang> crimsun: it cannot use keys that have seconday keys attached to them to sign to CoC ?
[11:28] <spayne> i've updated wiki page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SebPayne
[11:30] <crimsun> sivang: it's a sign-only, yes.
[11:30] <crimsun> #1972
[11:31] <sivang> crimsun: I think I've used a non sign only key, and it worked for me. How can I check if my key is a sign only or not?
[11:31] <spayne> Launchpad won't let me log in!
[11:31] <spayne> when i log in, it still says "Not logged in"
[11:31] <\sh> spayne: cookies enabled?
[11:31] <ajmitch> it's a sign...
[11:32] <spayne> yes
[11:32] <sivang> Father Nathanial, War of the worlds :)
[11:33] <crimsun> sivang: gpg --list-keys <your id>|grep ^pub
[11:33] <crimsun> the character following the keysize denotes the type
[11:34] <sivang> ok then,thanks
[11:37] <spayne> i'm signing the CoC
[11:37] <spayne> but when i run gpg --clearsign, it is using the wrong key
[11:39] <spayne> how can i tell it which key to use
[11:40] <crimsun> set default-key in ~/.gnupg/options
[11:40] <crimsun> for example, I have: default-key C88ABDA3
[12:04] <spayne> crimsun: is this ok: https://launchpad.net/people/spayne/
[12:15] <Pygi> oh :P
[12:16] <siretart> say, folks, where is dmix configured in breezy?
[12:17] <ajmitch> good question ;)
[12:17] <Pygi> try at #ubuntu :P
[12:17] <ajmitch> either crimsun or #ubuntu would know
[12:17] <ajmitch> most likely crimsun
[12:18] <Pygi> anybody willing to help make Fubuntu? :)
[12:18] <ajmitch> nope
[12:19] <ajmitch> I can't think of anything good starting with F
[12:19] <Pygi> oh, well :P
[12:20] <Pygi> its just Ubuntu with Fluxbox as a desktop
[12:21] <\sh> fluxbox is a WM...
[12:21] <Pygi> yup, yup..I know
[12:21] <Pygi> you are awaken :P
[12:21] <\sh> so which desktop do u want to use for fluxbox?
[12:22] <Pygi> not sure yet :/
[12:22] <\sh> kde or gnome?
[12:22] <Pygi> rather gnome I think
[12:22] <\sh> so no own desktop
[12:23] <\sh> and another gnome based derivate...i can't think of it
[12:23] <Pygi> :/
[12:24] <Pygi> kde derivate also exists :/
[12:24] <Pygi> Xfce also :/
[12:24] <\sh> but gnome + kde + xfce are desktops
[12:24] <\sh> kde has kwin as wm
[12:24] <\sh> gnome as metacity as wm
[12:24] <\sh> and xfce something else as wm
[12:25] <Pygi> yes, I know it
[12:25] <\sh> so fluxbox is only a replacement for the wm
[12:25] <\sh> no own desktop
[12:25] <Pygi> yes, I know
[12:26] <\sh> changing the wm for gnome/kde/xfce to fluxbox is possible without derivating ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu
[12:26] <\sh> gnome/kde/xfce are all integrated desktop environments and not only windowmanagers
[12:26] <Pygi> true
[12:27] <spayne> Pygi: do you have a reason for doing this?
[12:27] <Pygi> I wanted to do something for Ubuntu community except translating, but I guess I'll find another way....
[12:28] <Pygi> maybe fixing some bugs
[12:28] <siretart> okay, /me is off for lunch. cu you later
[12:28] <Pygi> bye
[12:28] <\sh> Pygi: why not managing a small ubuntu distribution? only with xdm and a small fast wm?
[12:29] <\sh> without a desktop?
[12:29] <Pygi> Hm, maybe....but Ubuntu is towards simplicity....I doubt anyone non-technical would use something without desktop
[12:29] <spayne> has anyone heard of a Gaim problem? where there is a text lag?
[12:30] <\sh> text lag?
[12:30] <Pygi> maybe ur slow connection??
[12:30] <spayne> when you type a message, there is a lag of a few seconds before it appears
[12:30] <spayne> it isn't me! it is a friend
[12:32] <Pygi> oh, so \sh....is there a point doing something like that when probably not many people will use it?
[12:49] <\sh> Pygi: why not doing it? it's a nice project...
[12:50] <\sh> Pygi: but a better way to contribute to ubuntu and not wasting your time is to get hands on packaging and fixing bugs in packages and become a motu
[12:56] <pef> hello
[01:01] <Pygi> sorry, I was on lunch :/
[01:01] <Pygi> ok, what needs to be packaged?
[01:01] <\sh> Pygi: lets start with fixing universe bugs
[01:02] <Pygi> ok, what are the bugs?
[01:02] <\sh> launchpad.net -> bugs -> everything which is assigned to "MOTU" should be checked, fixed...
[01:02] <Pygi> ok, I go there now
[01:02] <\sh> Pygi: but we have to wait until dapper is open and the syncs for universe are done.
[01:02] <\sh> but you can do some patching now :)
[01:03] <\sh> Pygi: please have a look at wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResource w.u.c/PbuidlerHowto http://revu.tauware.de/
[01:04] <Pygi> I am looking at it right now
[01:05] <Pygi> just to ask....How to I assign myself to fix some bug?
[01:05] <\sh> Pygi: u don't assign MOTU bugs to yourself
[01:06] <\sh> Pygi: update them with your remarks, give us a location where the debdiff is...
[01:06] <\sh> or attach the debdiff to the bug
[01:06] <Pygi> ok, sorry for bothering, but I am new in trying to help Ubuntu :P I am only doing translation for now
[01:07] <Pygi> Thanks
[01:20] <pef> a package with ./configure --enable-debug=full in build target is wrong, isn't it ?
[01:25] <eazel7> hi world
[01:26] <eazel7> question, I have created a debian package for anjuta2
[01:27] <ajmitch> ok, but there's anjuta 2.0.1 in debian experimental
[01:27] <eazel7> but I didn't know how to separate the original anjuta source from the anjuta source that I used (I have applied a patch from anjuta cvs for the latest pango)
[01:27] <ajmitch> which we may import
[01:27] <eazel7> ajmitch, what pango is in anjuta2?
[01:27] <ajmitch> I don't know :)
[01:28] <eazel7> gonna check
[01:29] <eazel7> ah, yeah, would be, well, I wasted my time hehehe
[01:30] <eazel7> anyway, I wanna learn, but I couldn't learn about managing patches
[01:30] <eazel7> I have applied a patch, how can I separate the patch from the orig.tar.gz?
[01:31] <Lathiat> \s	pe	no
[01:31] <Lathiat> pef: debhelper strips packages itself
[01:32] <Lathiat> ergh
[01:32] <Lathiat> my ssh was dead
[01:34] <eazel7> ehm, gonna go or my head's gonna be cutted down by an axe
[01:34] <eazel7> see you later
[01:42] <ajmitch> night all
[01:43] <Lathiat> night ajmitch
[01:43] <Lathiat> ajmitch: btw im def coming to lca
[01:43] <Lathiat> got all my stuff sorted
[01:43] <ajmitch> excellent!
[01:43] <ajmitch> you managed to scrounge up some $ for flights then?
[01:43] <Lathiat> and i was acceped to do an avahi talk if you didnt know
[01:43] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yeh i got travel assistance
[01:44] <ajmitch> sweet
[01:44] <ajmitch> I'll try & make it to that one
[01:44] <ajmitch> & not heckle too much ;)
[01:44] <Lathiat> heh
[01:44] <Lathiat> im eagerly awaiting the program
[01:44] <Lathiat> theyr ejust sorting out speaker confirmations etc
[01:45] <Lathiat> so they can notify their backups
[01:45] <ajmitch> right
[01:46] <ajmitch> will be good to see you in dunedin
[01:46] <Lathiat> yeh
[01:46] <Lathiat> :)
[01:47] <Lathiat> i'll actually be 18 ;p haha
[01:48] <ajmitch> yeah I know
[01:48] <ajmitch> not that it'd matter if you came up to drink at my flat :)
[01:48] <Lathiat> ajmitch: not that its ever matterred :)
[01:49] <Lathiat> in 2003.. :)
[01:49] <Lathiat> more like 2002 actually
[01:49] <ajmitch> yeah
[01:49] <ajmitch> doesn't surprise me somehow
[01:49] <Lathiat> pub crawl through fremantle, got stopped at 1 place of like 9 :)
[01:49] <Lathiat> some guy just said he was my father hah
[01:49] <ajmitch> haha
[01:50] <Lathiat> 1 palce refused jamesh
[01:50] <Lathiat> because he was wearing sandles
[01:50] <Lathiat> but was happy letting me in ;p
[02:04] <sivang> crimsun: I executed the list-keys command you've pasted here, and saw my key on the list
[02:04] <sivang> crimsun: does it mean that its more then "sign only" key?
[02:05] <Lathiat> sivang: if it worked in launchpad
[02:05] <Lathiat> then its not
[02:05] <sivang> Lathiat: ok, since it worked there :)
[02:06] <sivang> Lathiat: why would like to create more then sign only keys? do you need those for uploads?
[02:06] <Lathiat> no just launchpad choks on them
[02:06] <Lathiat> sign+encrypt is default
[02:06] <Lathiat> sign-only isnt
[02:07] <sivang> ah, then I created the default :)
[02:08] <lifeless> Lathiat: launchpad has two separate codepaths
[02:08] <Lathiat> lifeless: hrm?
[02:09] <lifeless> Lathiat: email and coc checking are different code paths
[02:09] <lifeless> coc checking handles any key type
[02:09] <Lathiat> lifeless: right, i actually meant coc checking
[02:09] <lifeless> email checking, I field a bug on yesterday
[02:09] <Lathiat> oh?
[02:09] <lifeless> well, coc checking should handle anything these days
[02:09] <Lathiat> so what is it then?
[02:09] <Lathiat> just adding the key to your account?
[02:10] <lifeless> what is what ?
[02:10] <Lathiat> that chokes on sign-only keys
[02:10] <lifeless> the only thing I know of is email checking
[02:10] <lifeless> I have signing only subkeys
[02:10] <lifeless> there *was* a bug in coc checking back in july
[02:10] <lifeless> but its been fixed for -ages-
[02:10] <Lathiat> hm ok
[02:11] <lifeless> but I think we keep having this discussion
[02:11] <lifeless> so - if you see it fail to handle a key, file a bug
[02:11] <lifeless> it should accept *anything* gpg will accept.
[02:11] <Lathiat> hm ok
[02:12] <lifeless> otherwise .. and please, I'm not meaning to be insulting .. dont spread fud :)
[02:12] <Lathiat> well yeh
[02:12] <Lathiat> ok
[02:12] <Lathiat> thats just what others told me
[02:12] <Lathiat> ;p
[02:12] <lifeless> ah.
[02:12] <lifeless> well, get them to reproduce it and file bugs
[02:12] <Lathiat> i'll stat spreading the anti-fud
[02:12] <lifeless> they *will* get fixed, gpg is pretty essential to webs of trust
[02:13] <lifeless> and launchpad cannot be saying 'please create a new key cause' :0
[02:13] <Lathiat> haha
[02:14] <Lathiat> if someone signs my key
[02:14] <Lathiat> and then i add a new uid
[02:14] <Lathiat> does that affect anything
[02:14] <Lathiat> versus not having had it on their before
[02:16] <lifeless> well
[02:16] <lifeless> the new uid is not signed
[02:16] <lifeless> so it will not be usable as verification of email addresses
[02:16] <lifeless> and you may want to tell lp to refresh your key, by readding it.
[02:16] <Lathiat> i see
[02:17] <sivang> lifeless: hey, 'sup? I knew it was alright :) I think I specifically created a non sign only key :)
[02:17] <Lathiat> sivang: by accepting the default? ;p
[02:17] <sivang> Lathiat: exactly :)
[02:17] <lifeless> sivang: heya
[02:17] <Lathiat> how can i make gpg export my secret key
[02:17] <sivang> lifeless: I have some question to ask ya, in private if I may :)
[02:18] <Lathiat> ah, --secret
[02:18] <Lathiat> that was hard
[02:21] <Lathiat> lifeless: if i had a uid, do i need to like, sign it or something
[02:22] <sivang> Lathiat: what does --secret entails?
[02:22] <Lathiat> sivang: exporting the secret key rather than the public key
[02:22] <lifeless> Lathiat: if you have a uid, its signed by you when you create it, and by other people when they verify your key
[02:23] <Lathiat> lifeless: ah ok
[02:23] <Lathiat> sivang: ok i lied, it doesnt
[02:23] <sivang> Lathiat: ah, so you need to keep that export secret then :)
[02:23] <sivang> Lathiat: why would you want to export it? for backup purposes?
[02:23] <Lathiat> import it on another machine
[02:25] <Lathiat> once out of boredom i tried to recursively get all signatures i had in my keyring
[02:25] <Lathiat> after making a 32M or so gpg database it crashed
[02:27] <Lathiat> ahh, --export-secret-keys
[02:35] <sistpoty> hi folks
[02:59] <xophEr> is there a working flash player for amd64?
[02:59] <\sh> standalone or in ff?
[03:00] <xophEr> in ff
[03:00] <\sh> this will be a problem
[03:01] <\sh> but standalone is swf-player...it could work in ff...
[03:01] <xophEr> Ive read about gplflash, you heard about it?
[03:07] <xophEr> hmm, I installed gplflash, and 'wohoo' I can see those annoying flash-ads again \o/
[03:09] <\sh> hmm...never used it..;)
[03:10] <xophEr> seems to be a bit buggy though . :)
[03:26] <\sh> WE NEED TO UPDATE LIBOFX*
[03:26] <\sh> ajmitch: ping get up dude
[03:28] <sivang> can I Help with anything ? :)
[03:29] <\sh> no..I'll have to do it somehow...or ajmitch ;)
[03:29] <freeflying> hi you all
[03:29] <siretart> \sh: whats up with libofx?
[03:30] <sivang> \sh: ah, that's a main stuff?
[03:30] <\sh> no it's universe stuff
[03:30] <\sh> but broken because of wrong replaces
[03:30] <sivang> but probaslby far complex...
[03:31] <siretart> \sh: do you have a malone bugnr for reference?
[03:31] <\sh> siretart: ubuntu-users ML ;)
[03:32] <siretart> ah, I see
[03:36] <dseomn> I'm not sure if this is a good place to mention it, but https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/scim/+bug/2565 seems to be a really big problem for a lot of people.
[03:37] <\sh> dseomn: it's not libofx, no?
[03:38] <siretart> its about scim
[03:39] <dseomn> I don't think that's related, it's not a dep
[03:39] <freeflying> dseomn: you can use the latest release of scim
[03:39] <\sh> waterloo waterloo
[03:39] <dseomn> freeflying: you mean from their site?
[03:40] <freeflying> I have built it this afternoon
[03:40] <freeflying> you can try it from here  http://svn.ubuntu.org.cn/ubuntu-cn/dists/breezy/main/binary-i386/scim/
[03:41] <dseomn> so it'll be in dapper when it opens?
[03:41] <dseomn> thanks
[03:41] <freeflying> I don't know
[03:43] <siretart> freeflying: does that package work for you?
[03:45] <freeflying> yeah
[03:46] <freeflying> I just put it on our svn server for testing
[03:46] <siretart> hm, new upstream
[03:46] <freeflying> if there iare no errors ,we will put it to our backports
[03:46] <siretart> hm. just installed scim 1.0.2-3 from breezy, but I could not reproduce that crash
[03:47] <dseomn> I only get the crash with scim-setup, did you try that?
[03:48] <siretart> yes, I get a nice gtk menu
[03:48] <siretart> gtk app, even
[03:48] <siretart> no segfault
[03:48] <dseomn> what modules do you have installed?
[03:48] <siretart> I just did a apt-get install scim
[03:48] <Riddell> freeflying: siretart is your man for REVU accounts
[03:49] <siretart> ah, hi Riddell ;)
[03:49] <freeflying> thanks you all
[03:50] <dseomn> wfm now, looks like the problem is in the module
[03:50] <freeflying> scim-1.0.2 works well for me ubder hoary and breezy
[03:51] <spacey_ki> i have segfaults with scim
[03:52] <spacey_ki> Loading Setup Module pinyin-imengine-setup
[03:52] <spacey_ki> Segmentation fault
[03:52] <spacey_ki> when i run scim-setup
[03:52] <spacey_ki> its occurs in several modules afiak
[03:52] <spacey_ki> afaik
[03:52] <spacey_ki> siretart, install all scim modules you can find and try again :)
[03:56] <pef> to delete CVS dirs from an upstream tarball, what's the best way ? adding a get-orig-source to rules, or deleting them by hand and notice this into README.debian ?
[04:09] <spayne> what is the command to rebuild a package
[04:09] <spayne> i have apt-get source it
[04:10] <dseomn> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[04:11] <spayne> i am building acroread on PPC
[04:11] <dseomn> isn't acroread binary only?
[04:12] <Lathiat> yes
[04:12] <Lathiat> so that wont work
[04:12] <spayne> why is there no PPC package?
[04:12] <Lathiat> because there is no binary for PPC
[04:12] <siretart> spayne: ask adobe
[04:12] <Lathiat> its a binary by adobe
[04:12] <Lathiat> its not open source
[04:13] <dseomn> spayne: is there a reason evince doesn't work for you?
[04:13] <spayne> it works, just some PDFs aren't rendered correctly
[04:14] <dseomn> if the pdfs are freely downloadable or allow redistribution, file a bug against evince with the pdf files
[05:04] <eazel7> hi ppl
[05:04] <eazel7> I have prepared a debianized sources, but now I need apply it a patch, how can I do?
[05:05] <janimo> hi eazel7
[05:05] <janimo> can you vbe more specific?
[05:05] <janimo> what to you mean by neet to apply it a patch?
[05:06] <eazel7> I have prepared a folder ready to do dpkg-buildpackage, but before I do I need to apply a patch to the sources, how can I do so it get's incorporated to the diff.gz?
[05:07] <janimo> well a clean way involves using dpatch
[05:08] <janimo> it uses a directory called patches under debian/
[05:08] <eazel7> aha
[05:08] <janimo> which are applied when building teh binary deb
[05:08] <janimo> but stay separated from the source
[05:09] <eazel7> great, that's one thing I need, I'm gonna read about dpatch
[05:09] <janimo> I have not made packages using dpatch only saw them so you may want to read up on it
[05:09] <janimo> ok good luck :)
[05:09] <eazel7> thanks
[05:09] <janimo> http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=7
[05:10] <janimo> written by one of the old time motus
[05:10] <eazel7> hehehehehe
[05:10] <eazel7> thanks JanC
[05:10] <eazel7> janimo
[05:11] <eazel7> JanC, sorry, I didn't want to wake you up =P
[05:11] <eazel7> I dislike how xchat manages the tab but in a case insensitive way... =/
[05:11] <janimo> eazel7, you're welcome
[05:40] <thierry> when I try to dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -S
[05:40] <thierry>  a package I get this :  debian/rules:5: /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/gnome.mk: No such file or directory
[05:41] <thierry> this happens only with the new packages... what Do I need to make it work?
[05:43] <Hirion> thierry: do you have cdbs installed?
[05:43] <sivang> -+
[05:43] <ivoks> hi
[05:44] <thierry> Hirion : well I blocked by this bug : https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/gnucash/+bug/3145 so I can't install anything until this one is fixed or if I get a workaround
[05:45] <thierry> Hirion : so if you have a solution for me...
[05:48] <Hirion> hm, I have no idea
[05:49] <thierry> I'm trying to uninstall gnucash and gnucash-common... maybe it will do
[05:49] <thierry> Hirion : yep this is working...
[05:50] <Hirion> ok
[05:51] <thierry> thanks
[05:52] <Hirion> hehe no problem, but I did nothing. I am too tired... ;)
[06:36] <ivoks> lol
[06:36] <ivoks> no one no where :)
[06:40] <Nafallo> ssssh, we're idling :-P
[06:41] <ivoks> hehe
[06:41] <ivoks> well
[06:41] <ivoks> you guys know we released broken banshee? :)
[06:41] <Treenaks> ivoks: we're not alone
[06:41] <ivoks> or, to be more honest, broken gtk-sharp
[06:41] <Treenaks> *points at suse 10*
[06:41] <ivoks> i know :)
[06:42] <ivoks> damn applet
[06:42] <ivoks> apple
[06:42] <ivoks> first samba, now this
[06:42] <Nafallo> did we?
[06:42] <ivoks> they are taking steps of microsoft...
[06:42] <Kyral> its only broken if someone finds a bug ;P
[06:43] <ivoks> Nafallo: yup, gtk-sharp doesn't work if one uses ipod with itunes5
[06:43] <ivoks> it isn't broken
[06:43] <ivoks> but there is a certain incomaptibility
[06:43] <ivoks> so..
[06:43] <ivoks> i wanted to ask
[06:43] <ivoks> if i/we/someone creates newer packages
[06:43] <Nafallo> then gtk-sharp is golden and the ipodlibs are broken?
[06:43] <ivoks> should we put them in updates?
[06:43] <Kyral> They will go into REVU for Dapper ;P
[06:44] <ivoks> Nafallo: i said gtk-sharp? lol sorryu
[06:44] <ivoks> ipod-sharp
[06:44] <Nafallo> well, that's another deal
[06:44] <Nafallo> blame slomo ;-)
[06:45] <ivoks> heh :)
[06:46] <ivoks> what's that tool to update old source with newer source, preserving debian subdir?
[06:49] <Yagisan> ivoks: uupdate ?
[06:49] <Nafallo> uscan is even better :-)
[06:50] <ivoks> Yagisan: right! thanks
[06:50] <Yagisan> bah - it's 2:50am, if I can even remember what leter it starts with I'm doing well
[06:51] <Nafallo> Yagisan: breezy-updates?
[06:52] <Yagisan> Nafallo: yes
[06:53] <Nafallo> I can reproduce that :-P
[06:54] <Yagisan> Nafallo: I bugged -devel yesterday about that
[06:54] <ivoks> yup, me too
[06:54] <ivoks> this is bad...
[06:54] <ivoks> we are discussing how to go enterprise, and we have broken archives
[06:54] <ivoks> :(
[06:54] <Yagisan> I'd like them to fix it, I won't upgrade my boxes until it's fixed
[06:55] <Yagisan> as far as I'm concerned badsig == possible compromise
[06:55] <ivoks> we should have team that will take care of archives - only
[06:55] <ivoks> Yagisan: right
[06:55] <Yagisan> most of you know what my day job is - so I'm suitably paranoid
[06:58] <Nafallo> guys... I can't reproduce that anymore :-P
[06:58] <Yagisan> Nafallo: 7 out of 8 updates did it for me
[06:58] <Yagisan> Nafallo: update 5 was the only clear one
[06:58] <Nafallo> 3/3 are clean for me now :-)
[06:59] <Yagisan> Nafallo: you need more boxes and/or chroots to update
[07:00] <Nafallo> huh?
[07:00] <Nafallo> nafallo@darkelf:~ $ sudo apt-get update && ssh ogre sudo apt-get update && sudo pbuilder update
[07:00] <Nafallo> will that suffice?
[07:00] <Nafallo> :-P
[07:01] <Yagisan> Nafallo: I have a lot of chroots and boxes - the more you update, the better your chance of getting badsig
[07:02] <Yagisan> I should go to bed, I'll try again in a few hours
[07:02] <Yagisan> night all
[07:03] <Nafallo> 3/3 again for what's it worth :-P
[07:03] <spayne> aloha!
[07:03] <Nafallo> morning
[07:04] <Yagisan> Nafallo: I hate you :-P (what's your mirror, it works better then mine)
[07:05] <Nafallo> Yagisan: localhost:9999 ;-)
[07:05] <Yagisan> Nafallo: apt-proxy
[07:05] <Nafallo> se.archive.ubuntu.com as first entry :-)
[07:05] <Yagisan> Nafallo: I use apt-cacher
[07:06] <Nafallo> I used apt-cacher before I saw apt-proxy was more likely to move to main ;-)
[07:06] <Yagisan> Nafallo: I set up apt-proxy and instead of 15 mins no proxy to build a pbuilder
[07:06] <Yagisan> Yagisan: it went to 50 with a full cache
[07:06] <Nafallo> odd
[07:07] <Nafallo> works here though :-P
[07:07] <Yagisan> Nafallo: apt-cacher took 5
[07:07] <Yagisan> Nafallo: apt-proxy seems to unpack every archive on the fly
[07:08] <Yagisan> Nafallo: the proxy box here is sub 300Mhz
[07:08] <Nafallo> I use my laptop, http://www.magicalforest.se/darkelf
[07:08] <Yagisan> Nafallo: I'd file a bug, but I think is expected behaviour
[07:09] <Nafallo> hmm, looks like I have all packages in cache already :-P
[07:10] <Yagisan> Nafallo: slap-happy is it - it's a lot quicker then my proxy
[07:11] <Nafallo> hihi, that's more to describe the highload I'll put on her at times ;-)
[07:11] <Yagisan> Nafallo: try running apt-proxy on ogre, that should be similar to my proxy
[07:12] <Nafallo> did you miss the part of "main only!"? ;-)
[07:13] <Yagisan> Nafallo: no - I thought you were mr universe security :)
[07:13] <Nafallo> I might have been, that's why I know the state of that project ;-)
[07:15] <Yagisan> Catch you later Nafallo, I've got to drag myself to bed now
[07:15] <Nafallo> oki, say hello from me :-)
[07:15] <Nafallo> and gnight :-)
[07:21] <ivoks> bye all
[07:24] <pef> if someone can have a look ;) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=794
[08:04] <pef> have to go, bye !
[08:04] <dooglus> I used "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" to build a package.  then I changed the source a little.  I don't think I need to "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" again, since that will try to re-apply the patches.  so how do I rebuild now?
[08:27] <KraetziChriZ> Hi Guys
[08:27] <KraetziChriZ> After Upgrading to KDE 3.4.3 the KDE/QT-Tool "klibido" is a littlebit broken -> http://www.ubuntuusers.de/download.php?id=153 -> anyone know what there is going wrong?
[08:28] <KraetziChriZ> (too many menues..)+
[09:40] <ajmitch> \sh_away: sure, I obviously wasn't thinking straight with libofx - I tested the upgrade from libofx1c2 & forgot libofx1c102
[09:40] <ajmitch> or something like that ;)
[09:41] <slomo> hi ajmitch :) any comments to my packages? and how was your weekend?
[09:41] <ajmitch> quiet weekend
[09:42] <ajmitch> didn't really use my computer over the weekend, sorry :)
[09:43] <slomo> oh, no problem ;) mine wasn't even on this weekend so nm :) anyway... i'm soooo tired ;) gn8 everybody
[09:43] <ajmitch> bye :)
[09:43] <mbreit> good evening!
[09:43] <mbreit> and bye slomo ;)
[09:44] <siretart> gn8 slomo
[09:44] <siretart> hi mbreit!
[09:45] <mbreit> hey siretart
[09:50] <\sh> remoins
[09:50] <mbreit> moin \sh
[09:50] <\sh> hey mbreit
[09:51] <\sh> ajmitch: ping we need to fix/update somehow libofx
[09:56] <ajmitch> \sh: :P
[09:57] <ajmitch> \sh: I was just pinging you about it 15min ago
[09:57] <\sh> think i have to reactivate my message backlog with dircproxy
[09:58] <\sh> hey ogra
[09:58] <ajmitch> yeah
[09:58] <\sh> ajmitch: we have to let it approve from mdz or kamion
[09:58] <ajmitch> yup
[09:58] <\sh> ajmitch: we missed at least libofx0c102
[09:58] <ajmitch> it only needs extra Replaces, again
[09:59] <\sh> the version which was in hoary
[09:59] <ogra> \sh, wow, you were quick
[09:59] <ajmitch> I at least got the Replaces on the right package, I only had 1 old libofx version on my disk though :)
[09:59] <ajmitch> morning ogra
[09:59] <ogra> evening ajmitch
[10:00] <\sh> ogra: 19:27 - 21:23 to sindorf and then 10 mins walking :)
[10:00] <mbreit> hey orga
[10:00] <ogra> hey mbreit
[10:00] <\sh> ogra: but the train was full of very very strange people
[10:00] <mbreit> hmm... i think i will go to bed as well... the lectures at university are starting again tomorrow, so i have to get up early
[10:01] <ogra> \sh, i think there wasa race at huerburgring today... i had a traffic jam on my way back
[10:01] <mbreit> so good night ;)
[10:01] <ogra> *nuerburgring
[10:01] <\sh> ogra: can be....and some icehockey games in cologne...central station was overcrowded by special units and police
[10:02] <ajmitch> \sh: so libofx should be a quick fix, it just needs approved :)
[10:03] <KraetziChriZ> hmmm anyone have a minute to look at my problem with klibido? :|
[10:03] <\sh> ogra: and thx again for the nice stay :)
[10:03] <\sh> KraetziChriZ: whats the problem? as i said, I think jre brought it in now
[10:04] <KraetziChriZ> \sh: hmm the depend-problems are my thing.. but have a look at the tool:
[10:04] <KraetziChriZ> http://www.ubuntuusers.de/download.php?id=153
[10:04] <ogra> \sh, thanks for the nice visit :) suse says thanks too :)
[10:04] <\sh> ajmitch: so libofx2 -> replaces: the whole chain of binary packages and the same for libofx-dev?
[10:04] <ajmitch> \sh: whatever works ;)
[10:05] <KraetziChriZ> i have everything 2 times... it works.. it is doing what the tool shoud do.. but there is something bad O_o
[10:05] <\sh> KraetziChriZ: what?
[10:05] <KraetziChriZ> http://www.ubuntuusers.de/download.php?id=153 <- link to an screenshot
[10:05] <KraetziChriZ> my english is bad.. sry.. :\
[10:05] <\sh> ajmitch: hehe as i said this afternoon to infinity it's our waterloo
[10:06] <KraetziChriZ> \sh: the entrys menues.. and the context-menu are cloned.. have a look..
[10:06] <\sh> KraetziChriZ: u mean the color bars? i don't think it has something to do with klibido
[10:06] <\sh> oh
[10:06] <KraetziChriZ> on the screenshot there is the button "Move to top" 2 times...
[10:06] <KraetziChriZ> and everything is there "2 times"
[10:06] <\sh> u blacked out the pr0n :) ok..see the problem
[10:07] <KraetziChriZ> there is something wrong O_o
[10:07] <KraetziChriZ> but the tool is downloading.. hehe... 10gigs this day.. works perfect.. :D
[10:07] <KraetziChriZ> nice new pr0n :P
[10:08] <\sh> KraetziChriZ: i'll check it tomorrow...when i'm with my (k)ubuntu laptop again...here on this small baby i don't have kde installed
[10:08] <KraetziChriZ> small baby.. hehe.. :D
[10:08] <\sh> ogra: the next I have to get a barrell of scottish whiskey ,)
[10:08] <\sh> time even
[10:08] <ogra> lol
[10:09] <KraetziChriZ> \sh: hehe.. whiskey is good =)
[10:10] <\sh> ogra: and suse can try the rum...if she likes it :)
[10:11] <ogra> susus laughs :)
[10:12] <ogra> \sh, the winter here is cold and unfriendly, a hot grog is graet then :)
[10:13] <\sh> ogra: hahaha...so u should by an oven :)
[10:13] <ogra> i'll do next week... let me find one first :)
[10:13] <\sh> ogra: and we forgot to hang the cupboard
[10:13] <\sh> grmpf
[10:13] <ogra> yup
[10:13] <ogra> i'll manage it alone, dont worry
[10:14] <\sh> ogra: well..i wanted to some real work...:)
[10:15] <\sh> do even
[10:15] <ogra> yes, but i have to myve my butt a bit after 2 months of edubuntu development, so its fine to do it aone
[10:16] <ogra> *move
[10:17] <\sh> hmm..now i have to think of your gf.."your butt is ok...but your titties..." *runsveryfast*
[10:17] <\sh> sry couldn
[10:17] <\sh> 't resist
[10:17] <ogra> heh
[10:18] <\sh> but yes..i know the feeling...i need some real work as well...didn't do anything during the last months...think i have to go to a gym
[10:20] <\sh> so last cigarette
[10:20] <siretart> for ever?
[10:21] <siretart> *g*
[10:21] <\sh> ajmitch: do u want to do libofx or should I...I wanted to play with some new pykde stuff tomorrow
[10:21] <\sh> siretart: for heavens sake no ;)
[10:21] <siretart> \sh: hehe
[10:23] <\sh> siretart: if i would stop smoking now, then it's possible to survive my 65th birthday and then? i won't get any pension
[10:23] <siretart> hey!
[10:23] <siretart> don't be that pessimistic!
[10:23] <\sh> this was ... sarcastic :)
[10:24] <siretart> makes bad karma
[10:24] <\sh> -100 on malone?
[10:25] <\sh> ok.guys
[10:25] <\sh> sleeping time...
[10:26] <siretart> gn8 \sh
[10:27] <\sh> night everybody
[11:00] <Tonio-> hello
[11:02] <ajmitch> hi
[11:02] <sivang> hey
[11:03] <sivang> hey ajmitch , what's cracking?
[11:04] <ajmitch> monday morning, at work
[11:14] <crimsun> sivang: when you --list-key <your id>, you should see a sub
[11:14] <sivang> crimsun: let me try again :)
[11:14] <crimsun> sivang: if you don't see at least one sub, then it's a sign-only
[11:15] <ajmitch> and you probably see a few uids :)
[11:24] <Lathiat> hey ajmitch
[11:24] <ajmitch> yo
[11:24] <Lathiat> ajmitch: looked at stone's key? :)
[11:24] <ajmitch> how are you this morning? :)
[11:24] <ajmitch> no?
[11:24] <Lathiat> good
[11:25] <ajmitch> what key is this?
[11:25] <Lathiat> 3CED7EFD
[11:26] <sivang> crimsun: ok, it has two keys
[11:26] <Lathiat> hrm wrong key
[11:26] <Lathiat> that ones revoked
[11:58] <ajmitch> long bug threads on SCIM & acroread - they look to be possible candidates for breezy-updates