[12:33] hmm [12:35] Jeromee, ? [12:35] is checkinstall included in edubuntu? [12:37] its in universe afaik [12:37] k [12:37] from what I hear [12:38] its a rather sweet thing [12:38] heh [12:38] not really [12:38] it produces broken stuff... [12:38] no? [12:38] hm [12:38] bummer [12:38] it doesnt work out dependencys... [12:39] the only advantage is that you can easily uninstall the software through the package manager [12:39] gotcha [12:40] if you want to produce packages, have a look at the debian new maintainer guide... === smykes [n=jsmykil@24-48-164-246.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:41] no live cd huh? [12:41] nope [12:41] next release [12:41] we needed to get the stuff in shape first [12:42] next release meaning drak? [12:42] drake [12:42] yup [12:42] if i find a lot of sparetime (very unlikely) i'll remaster a ubuntu CD ... [12:42] is that when content filtering is going to make its appearance as well? [12:43] yes [12:43] content filtering with a nicely integrated gui is one of my main targets for dapper [12:43] its HUGE [12:43] all the pcs at my school have content filtering on them [12:44] so I dont let the kids on the ubuntu box [12:44] why dont you have a centralized solution ? [12:44] i think there is [12:44] but then there is content filtering on top of that [12:44] its a lot of wasted administration time to have one on every pc [12:45] Im not the administrator [12:45] Im the Music teacher :D [12:45] heh.. then current edubuntu will suck for you, sorry... we have no sound support in ltsp yet [12:46] yeah I installed ubuntu on my biggest fastest computer in my room [12:46] the rest were shitty boxes and wouldnt run it [12:46] its allright as the screen isnt virtually flat so I cant look at it for more then 10 minutes at a time === ogra [n=ogra@p5089DE73.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #edubuntu ["Verlassend"] === ogra [n=ogra@p5089DE73.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:47] grmpf... [12:47] wb [12:47] wrong key [12:47] does it have gnome baker standard? [12:48] nope [12:48] we have serpentine for audio [12:48] and nautilus for data... [12:48] no need to duplicate the functions === d4nny [n=daniel@CPE000bdb97337f-CM000f2120db83.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #edubuntu === d4nny [n=daniel@CPE000bdb97337f-CM000f2120db83.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #edubuntu ["Kopete] [12:49] and rhythm box for audio? [12:49] and gnomebaker in main would mean to rip out the nonfree codecs and functions, i think its better to keep a full equipped gnome baker in univese [12:49] *universe [12:49] yes, rhythmbox fr audio [12:50] be nice if someone just wrote a complete app\ [12:50] itunes eske [12:50] that did everything out of the box [12:50] i heard amarok shall be wuite good.. [12:50] quite [12:50] its a KDE app though... [12:50] does alexandria come standard or do you have to apt-get it? [12:50] (I love how gnomebaker 0.5.5 was released two days after Breezy. Sigh.) [12:51] but since we have a mixed environment in edubuntu anyway, it wouldnt hurt [12:51] i had big issues with alexandria in hoary [12:52] smykes, we only targeted a single classroom with this release... bibshelf would be my suggestion for this usecase rather than alexandria [12:52] alexandria is rather for big setups... [12:52] yeah or small, depending on what your scope is [12:53] we'll consider it for dapper... depending on free diskspace on the CD [12:53] i doubt its very valuable to anyone else [12:53] currently you need to get it from universe [12:53] what I really need is something that will catalog my sheet music [12:53] its valuable for all librarys [12:54] i wish i had more time at work to tinker at school [12:54] it should be better in breezy... if it isnt, please report it to me and i'll trigger a backport from dapper [12:55] well im not very advanced so it just didnt work for me [12:55] yes, and my target is to make it "just work" ;) [12:56] heh so I might be your perfect target ;) [12:56] ... for people like you [12:56] as I am primarily an OS X user [12:56] great [12:56] but the school has no mac hardware [12:56] and linux has no qbase :) [12:56] qbase? [12:57] isnt that the state of art for musicians ? [12:57] I use logic [12:57] you are thinking of cubase [12:57] i got confused with the q [12:58] a good gui for lilypond would be nice heh [12:58] oh, yes... non musician here, just consumer :) [12:58] cu indeed [12:58] logic and protools are the defacto === alison [n=alison@ool-457a6b4c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:00] lilyponds output is beautiful though [01:07] hi, I'm trying to follow the directions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowtoNAT to enable internet access on my clients, and when I do sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward, I get "permission denied." [01:09] heh, thats a wrong comand from someone used to use root :) [01:10] so what should I do instead? [01:13] try: sudo sh -c 'echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' [01:14] tell me if it works, i'll correct the wiki later... [01:14] terminal gave no complaint [01:14] cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward [01:14] should give 1 [01:15] yup [01:15] great :) [01:19] wiki fixed === crimsun_ [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #edubuntu [01:28] excellent. I got the internet access going. [01:28] yay [01:28] :) === d4nny [n=daniel@CPE000bdb97337f-CM000f2120db83.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #edubuntu === pitux [n=pitux@227-190-222-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === alison [n=alison@ool-457a6b4c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #edubuntu === mwright1 [n=Melbourn@ppp82-239.lns2.mel3.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu === d4nny [n=daniel@CPE000bdb97337f-CM000f2120db83.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #edubuntu ["Kopete] === d4nny [n=daniel@CPE000bdb97337f-CM000f2120db83.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #edubuntu === d4nny [n=daniel@CPE000bdb97337f-CM000f2120db83.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #edubuntu ["Kopete] === pax [n=pax@pdpc/supporter/student/pax] has joined #edubuntu [05:13] guys, I uninstalled edubuntu-desktop but it's still shows the art-work at boot, what's the package(s) to remove to cmpletely make edubuntu go away? === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@141.30.211.85] has joined #edubuntu === mwright1 [n=Melbourn@ppp82-239.lns2.mel3.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu === pitux [n=pitux@227-190-222-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === \sh_away is now known as \sh === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.39.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:40] Hey guys, Is there some half-decent mindmap program in the archive? [07:40] mmm [07:40] i know theres something... [07:41] let me check.. [07:43] hmmm i can't find it [07:44] i know its there somewhere [07:44] i don't even remember === jsgotangco is in a fresh install [07:44] I saw this freemap wiki the other day, and that was just way too much bother for me. :) [07:45] And yes, there we go, blackboard is down yet again. === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:52] :( only mindmap tool that turns up in the archive is kdissert. [07:52] Why, oh Why? [07:53] because, life sucks [07:53] then you die [07:53] :-( [07:55] Oh, I'll die anyway. [07:55] me too [07:55] The piont is doing someful useful before then. :) [07:55] I've been smoking cigarettes since i was 9 [07:55] its been 9 years now [07:55] I'm sure my lungs are done [07:56] I'll probably have lung cancer at 22 [07:56] You're 18 and so cynical? [07:56] damn this world. [07:56] heh, indeed. [07:56] whats wrong with being cynical? [07:56] :-) [07:56] You could just prove it to yourself and quit. :) [07:56] its hard [07:56] I'm working on it though [07:57] believe it or not [07:57] Well, cynisism usually hides other things. :) [07:57] I'm illergic to the patch, and the gum. [07:57] I hide nothing [07:57] I'm so cynical because my father died when I was 16 [07:57] I watched him die for 2.5 years, and cared for him for 2.5 years. [07:57] thats why I'm so cynical. [07:57] youch. [07:58] yeah. [07:58] kinda fucks with your head yanno? === HiddenWolf kicks eur.edu, fbk.sin-online, osiris [07:58] but theres kids whose dads died of the same shit, and have turned out worse, so I'm not so concerned. [07:58] Jeromee, I can get into that. [07:59] what is a mindmap tool anyway? [07:59] Jeromee, you're the one who rules your life. You decide where you end up. [07:59] Jeromee, mindmapping is a way of storing information. Summarising in a graphical way, rather than written. [07:59] I know this, and this is why I'm back in school, getting my diploma, and going to college with a scholarship [08:00] Did you drop out? [08:00] yeah, I was supposed to graduate two years ago [08:00] I don't get the US system. Here you wouldn't be allowed to. [08:00] well [08:00] you're allowed to skip grades here... [08:01] I skipped 2nd [08:01] and 7th grade [08:01] heh [08:01] started early too [08:01] haha [08:01] Yeah, here too, but you're not allowed to leave school before you're 17, and you better damm well have a diploma. [08:02] lol. [08:02] I might be doing dual enrollment next year, I plan to get out of college asap. [08:02] next semister rather. [08:02] University is good. :D [08:03] I'll be going to community college [08:03] but our community college here, is on par with alot of Universities [08:04] where are you from? [08:04] UK? [08:04] Netherlands. [08:04] ah [08:05] gotcha [08:05] should have noticed... being in the NL ubuntu channel :-) [08:05] *chuckle* [08:05] Go WHOIS. :) [08:05] yeah [08:06] I'm like [08:06] still half asleep though [08:06] girlfriend woke me up, went and got some cigarettes, just got back in [08:06] heh, yeah. I had 5 hours of sleep tonight, and it's 8.06am. [08:06] debating on when to go back to sleep [08:06] lol. [08:06] its 2:04 am [08:06] I feel asleep at 12:10 [08:06] woke up at 1:20 [08:06] =P [08:06] I slept at 2, was up at 7. [08:07] werd [08:07] you're only 6hrs ahead of me [08:07] w00t. [08:07] I've got 2 lectures today, and a meeting. Need to shop and cook too. :) [08:07] lol. [08:07] are you a teacher? [08:07] No, student. [08:07] gotcha [08:07] whats your major? [08:07] I assume you're in college [08:08] System is slightly different here, I'm in university. [08:08] International Business. [08:08] oh, fun fun [08:08] I'll be majoring in Computer Programming/Computer Network Management [08:08] One can actually pay for higher education here. :) [08:09] its insane here [08:09] honestly [08:09] if I don't have a scholarship === HiddenWolf is paying 1500eur/year + books [08:09] I won't be attending anything. [08:10] http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=691 [08:10] I'm waiting for the supermarket to open. [08:10] awesome [08:10] I'm hungry, and out of bread. :) [08:11] lol === dabaR [n=dabaR@wnpgmb02dc1-148-148.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-167-38.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [08:25] 0000 [08:25] hi JaneW [08:25] morning jsgotangco [08:26] Hi. Is there somewhere you can log in to the edubuntu wiki? I can not seem to find a place to log in. [08:30] All the pages say locked page for me, even though I am logged into the ubuntu wiki, with the rosetta login, I think. [08:31] Is that how it should be? locked? === Oly [n=Oly@81-178-228-30.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #edubuntu [08:41] just a quick quesstion of intrest, are we going to see a forum for discussing edubuntu ? [08:41] we could probably ask the forums to add one [08:42] given enough interest [08:42] yeah, seems like a good idea to me, especially as IRC does not work at school because the provider blocks the portds [08:43] while i am here may as well ask a quick question, installed edubuntu last friday before i finished work [08:43] got it to network boot a laptop, but it booted to a terminal [08:44] and said it needed an nfs server, do i need to install this seperate ? [08:44] i assumed it would just boot to a gui with out any other work [08:44] JaneW, is it possible to add Edubuntu to the official forums? [08:44] not really had chance to look into it more, thought i would ask now while i can :p [08:45] Oly, it should boot a gui by default [08:45] well by default it should boot gdm [08:45] i thought that might be the case [08:45] which means something went wrong somewhere [08:46] Oly, check if the gdm is running [08:46] will look into it when i get to work, [08:46] it did not look like it got that far [08:46] from what i remember [08:47] Oly, ps aux |grep gdm helps [08:47] i will try later, see if its there [08:47] Oly, if the gdm is not running you can start it with sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start [08:48] but i think a service is bumming out and stopping the boot [08:48] okay i will try starting it manually, and see if it is launched [08:48] also write down any of the errors [08:49] <\sh> good morning [08:51] moin \sh [08:51] moin \sh [08:52] <\sh> ok...I don't know if you heard about it, ogra and I were testing amd64 ltps server + i386 client :) works now with a couple of lines of patches [08:52] wow [08:52] how about the ppc client? [08:53] <\sh> jsgotangco: ppc iso were fcked up because of a kernel install thingy.. === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-167-38.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [08:54] <\sh> good morning JaneW :) [08:54] \sh morning [08:55] <\sh> JaneW: I think ogra will be back to normal this week...after this weekend ,-) === guim [n=glederer@193.190.183.237] has joined #edubuntu [08:58] so noone knows about my wiki issue where I can not log in to make changes? [09:02] dabaR: does it not offer a place to log in? [09:03] I can not see one, no. [09:04] um... my logon is automatic... I will try to replicate... [09:04] are you using the orange and red edubuntu wiki skin? [09:05] afai can see [09:06] that makes even my ubuntu wiki locked. === DemisM [n=DemisM@machine.agen.ufl.edu] has joined #edubuntu [09:06] wait, maybe not, let me check here... [09:06] what is the difference between edubuntu and ubuntu? [09:07] both use the launchpad login [09:07] access through ww.edubuntu.org [09:07] No, it does not, just the edubuntu wiki pages are locked. [09:07] JaneW: you see a login screen or textboxes at edubuntu anywhere? [09:08] and click on wiki linkg - you should get a login link in the top of the orange bar at the top [09:08] try go to http://wiki.edubuntu.org/UserPreferences [09:09] Hah, never saw it. thank you. === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-74-97-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [09:18] dabaR: you sorted now? [09:20] G'day ogra - haven't seen you for a few days [09:23] hi JaneW, Yagisan [09:24] hi ajmitch_ [09:24] Yagisan: I don;t think ogra is up yet [09:24] probably still sleeping off the effects of having \sh visit [09:25] G'day ajmitch_ [09:25] <\sh> hehe [09:25] \sh what did you do to him ?? [09:26] <\sh> Yagisan: we had a nice weekend with a lot of drinks, extreme after release relaxing :) [09:26] <\sh> when I counted right [09:27] cool - are you going to demo the multi-client-arch edubuntu at UBZ ? [09:28] <\sh> 1 bottle glen grant, 1 bottle glen fiddich, half a box of beer (12 bottles) and a half bottle of rum... [09:28] <\sh> Yagisan: I think we should show it to the world :) [09:31] \sh - yeah- we know what you drank :) but what about ogra :-P [09:31] <\sh> Yagisan: i had the beer and the rum ;) [09:31] \sh - have you noticed that the clients don't have a volatile directory or non-free modules ? [09:32] <\sh> Yagisan: no....we were happy that it was working like this...and now ogra can have a closer look what's there and what not [09:34] \sh: I noticed it a few days ago, none if my i386 clients got a nvidia.ko module [09:34] \sh: for systems that need firmware - it may be an issue [09:34] <\sh> Yagisan: the only thing which is really annoying is the fade out effekt during logoff [09:35] <\sh> effect even [09:35] \sh: that goes so sssssssslllllllllllooooooowwwwwwwwwww on my p2 clients [09:35] <\sh> because it takes a hell of a lot of bandwidth [09:35] \sh: even on crossover it is dog slow [09:36] <\sh> and it looks like an old dia-show of hires boob pictures on c64 [09:36] \sh: you think we can get a c64 working as a client ? [09:37] \sh: would look cool :) [09:37] <\sh> Yagisan: hmm...there is a tcp/ip stack for a c64 via userport [09:38] <\sh> and if there is a running implementation of the X protocol for c64... [09:39] \sh: booting from tape may take a while .. [09:39] <\sh> coffee....brb === Gand_ [n=Gand@81-208-84-206.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #edubuntu [09:53] hi all [09:55] my gnome icons on bottom bar are little messed up (bin is placed left to desktop) no problem with a new created user. How can i fix it? thank [09:57] I've oslved dragging them, thank [09:58] oslved/solved [09:58] just wonder why after upgrade icons were messed up === mwright1 [n=Melbourn@ppp82-239.lns2.mel3.internode.on.net] has left #edubuntu [] [10:01] Gand_: were you logged in twice ? [10:01] Gand_: sometimes that happens if you are logged in twice at the same time [10:07] YYagisan you mean logged twice on my machine? no, I did never [10:08] Gand_: I had it happen to me when I logged in from a few terminals at once [10:09] Gand_: It cleared up for me when I logged them all out, then did a single log in [10:11] I restarted computer, so all logged user were logged out, and I didn't log twice, anyway I solved, no prob, thanks [10:11] As my school students are about 14/18 years old, where can I find previous edubuntu desktop (little bit less K12 style :) [10:11] http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=434&slide=4 [10:13] not yet available here: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/Preview_Wallpaper_Examples [10:13] JaneW, no habla espanol [10:13] he [10:14] Gand_: I don't know - try right clicking the desktop to change it [10:14] Gand_: The current one was what was voted for - that's why they shipped it [10:15] i don't think we'll be able to put up wallpapers of boy bands and hip hop groups to cater that age group for legal reasons :) [10:15] joke [10:15] :) [10:16] jsgotangco: no [10:16] Gand_: I'll u/l it for you.... [10:17] thank [10:18] just have it available [10:18] as I find other one, but not the previus shipped === jsgotangco starts chewing a handful of mentos [10:19] Gand_: er I just need to find it again... [10:19] :) [10:19] lost in space :) [10:20] Gand_: on ogra's page somewhere ;) [10:21] jsgotangco: throw some this way :) [10:21] I think it had to be added on "Preview wallpaper example" page on edubuntu site === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [10:22] Gand_: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/wallpaper/ [10:22] Gand_: I'll u/p it to "Preview wallpaper example" now [10:22] thank [10:23] no problem [10:23] :) === magnon [n=co@photogeeks/magnon] has joined #edubuntu [10:32] morning! [10:32] morning, got to run again, so bye! === spacey_ki is now known as spacey === pere_gone is now known as pere === przemek [n=przemek@aql189.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #edubuntu [11:43] meep [11:43] erm [11:43] meep. [11:44] amybody know why my edubuntu 5.10 i386 install asking me for ip address ?? [11:44] its connected to dhcp network.... [11:45] yes, you're installing the server, apparently [11:45] that means it will BE the dhcp server thus needs an IP [11:45] well yes [11:45] but i didnt ask for server [11:46] hm [11:46] I don't have a recent installation here, I don't know [11:46] edubuntu is server by default I think [11:47] yes [11:47] just do the installation and then configure it for dhcp later if you can do that [11:47] on boot type workstation so as not to install the server components [11:48] morning everybody [11:48] errrrm [11:48] hi ogra [11:49] JaneW, i uploaded the wallpaper already to art.ubuntu.com... waiting for moderator approval... [11:49] hi ogra [11:49] how's the head? ;) [11:49] it says type 'server' for server install [11:49] morning ogra [11:49] enyc: umm, probably a bug. That's inherited from Ubuntu proper [11:49] ogra: oic... [11:49] enyc, yes, there are som cosmetic bugs in the installer === JaneW too [11:49] ogra: morning [11:49] :) [11:50] so i need to select 'workstation' at boot prompt ??? [11:50] enyc, like http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes says ;) [11:51] enyc, yes [11:51] :) [11:51] if you want a ubuntu with an edubuntu-desktop only workstation is right === jsgotangco wonders if the oem instructions got into edubuntu as well [11:53] i think so... they are in the default install, arent they ? [11:53] kk [11:53] yes [11:53] i'll try it later i guess [11:53] loading... [11:53] the oem will install server hehehe === ogra never tried that [11:53] its pretty neat actually === enyc aaaaaaaaaaaaaarghs about trying to type qwerty on dvorak-key-board [11:54] lol [11:54] the only instruction for oem avaialble was the one i wrote about and published in planet [11:54] i'll check it... i only know the hwdb client doesnt work...i didnt even know he used it until release day [11:56] thursday is my departure for eventually ending up in Montreal =) === bluefrog-10 [n=admin@81.56.254.229] has joined #edubuntu [11:57] hi all [11:58] anyone could help with xserver pb on thin client? [11:58] bluefrog-10, sure [11:59] got a fatal error unrecognized option vttty1. don't know where from this thing is coming [12:00] did you create a lts.conf ? [12:00] yes [12:00] copied it from k12ltsp which is working ok [12:01] did you look for the line it complains about in this file ? [12:02] trying to switch to low vesa server as my server card is intel 915 and got a nvidia on client. no vttty1 in my conf. getting from somewhere else but am not good enough with grep to find out where [12:02] this is no string our ltsp uses anywhere, it must be something you added... i.e. through lts.conf [12:03] you dont need to configure X that happens automatically, did you try without lts.conf already ? [12:03] haven't fiddle for sure with a vttty1 anywhere [12:03] we have native i915 support .... [12:03] without lts.conf was telling me lts.conf was mising [12:04] and you are sure you use edubuntu with edubuntu ltsp ?? [12:04] it shouldnt bother with a missig lts.conf... our ltsp surely doesnt give such a message [12:05] not for certain. as i had pb with dhcp i fiddle a bit with packages. going to reinstall and have a look now that i know how to run dhcp. [12:06] when i install from scratch do i have to run ltspadmin afterwards? [12:06] did you follow the http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes ? [12:06] you only have to replace the IP range in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to match the IP you selected on install... restart the dhcp server and thats all... no further action needed [12:07] ok then a clean reinstall should do the trick ty. will come back if same problem [12:07] yup.... [12:08] just follow the instructions from the wiki (and from the linked pages there) [12:08] gah, to slow [12:16] brb === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-204-233.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === smykes [n=jsmykil@24-48-164-246.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu === bluefrog-10 [n=admin@81.56.254.229] has joined #edubuntu [01:34] hmmmmmmm [01:34] im having dhcp trouble [01:34] dhcp won't start? [01:34] dhcp-client.... [01:35] but nettwork works etc.... [01:35] trying knoppix [01:37] hi all. made clean install. switch on client. getting at the ltsp display manager. trying to log on, keeps throwing me back at the display manager. haven't touched anything yet on the server. can anyone help pls [01:38] bluefrog-10: select gdm off the menu [01:38] selected GNOME [01:39] bluefrog-10: soory - I don't have a box handy - At least it starts with G :) [01:39] :) [01:39]