[12:04] <bsd3> h2o: adept is just a frontend to apt-get and aptitide
[12:04] <H2O> where i must type "sudo apt-get update" ?
[12:05] <H2O> ok i'm in the console
[12:05] <H2O> now(because this is the first day with linux and i'm a n00b) what i must do
[12:05] <H2O> thanx for the support guys however :)
[12:05] <icewt> just type there
[12:05] <bsd3> h2o: you need to add some repisitories to /etc/apt/source.list
[12:06] <Milktea> hmm
[12:06] <H2O> i added all the repositories possible
[12:06] <Milktea> i just compiled wine CVS, and my world of warcraft FPS went down
[12:06] <Milktea> I had used a kynaptic package of wine, and FPS was normal
[12:06] <Milktea> what do I do?
[12:07] <Hhhhh> H2O, you're not a n00b. Newbies are people who are new and willing to learn, n00bs are people who are new and clueless but want to pretend they aren't by trying to sound smart. Your willingness to learn means you're a newbie instead, and in no time you'll be quite knowledgeable (as opposed to a n00b who never learns) ;)
[12:07] <Hhhhh> H2O, yours is the right attitude, keep on brother
[12:07] <H2O> thanx bro ;)
[12:07] <Milktea> I've always wanted to ask'
[12:08] <Milktea> what's a nub, then?
[12:08] <Hhhhh> n00b = newbie with a stupid, uppity attitude who tries to sound smart by repeating stupid comments they pick up randomly
[12:09] <Milktea> i know the difference betwen n00b and newbie
[12:09] <H2O> so what i must type on the konsole
[12:09] <Milktea> but what does nub mean O_o
[12:09] <Hhhhh> oh, I don't know ;)
[12:09] <Milktea> oh lol
[12:09] <H2O> noob is a short term for newbie
[12:09] <H2O> newbie = noob
[12:09] <Milktea> No it's not
[12:09] <Milktea> Anyhow
[12:09] <icewt> argh.. 20% to go and i can start installing kubuntu ;)
[12:10] <Juerd> hurrah for kubunt, bye bye os x!
[12:10] <Juerd> kubuntu even
[12:10] <apokryphos> =)
[12:10] <H2O> yeah i'm an old netgamer and i can say it =)
[12:10] <Milktea> After compiling wine CVS, my World of Warcraft FPS went down. It was faster when I used a synaptic package of wine. What do I do?
[12:10] <Hhhhh> H2O, yea, but after being turned into an Internet insult, it took on a different meaning
[12:10] <Milktea> H2O, do you remember what bbq means?
[12:10] <FaxeSystem> dunno if I can ask this question :) so I'll give it a try. Where do I get the w32 codecs for breezy?
[12:10] <Hhhhh> or a different connotation instead
[12:11] <icewt> FaxeSystem, http://www.giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[12:11] <Hhhhh> FaxeSystem, you can ask any legitimate question, and that is a very legitimate one
[12:11] <chavo> Milktea, reinstall the wine package
[12:11] <FaxeSystem> just thought there is maybe a problem asking this question due to the copyright ;)
[12:12] <Milktea> oh ok
[12:12] <FaxeSystem> thank you icewt
[12:12] <H2O> ice
[12:12] <H2O> what i must type for cheking my adept update
[12:13] <H2O> ok i've opened the konsole
[12:13] <richard_> what is the name of the program for kubuntu that lets you install .deb files just by clicking on it
[12:13] <Milktea> iono
[12:14] <Milktea> but you can install .deb files by dpkg
[12:14] <icewt> H2O, err.. i don't know about adept, but just type in the console, in this order "sudo apt-get clean" , "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[12:14] <soccerfiend> oh, I have always done dpkg -i name.deb
[12:14] <Milktea> What's the apt-get thing that searches for a file
[12:14] <H2O> ok i make it now... wait a second
[12:14] <Hhhhh> hey, is there a kubuntu FAQ site with answers to most newbie questions?
[12:14] <soccerfiend> apt-cache search <searchname>
[12:14] <Milktea> ubuntuguide.org
[12:14] <Milktea> ah thanks
[12:14] <Hhhhh> Milktea, thx
[12:15] <Milktea> np
[12:15] <Milktea> downloaded synaptic updates
[12:15] <Milktea> now to commit them
[12:16] <Milktea> ugh
[12:16] <Milktea> ><
[12:16] <H2O> nothin....it stops at 44%
[12:16] <icewt> H2O, at which point? after update or after dist-upgrade?
[12:16] <H2O> on the apt-get update command
[12:16] <Milktea> O_o
[12:17] <Milktea> sounds like a problem with repositories
[12:17] <icewt> H2O, well then, i guess there's something wrong with the repositories you have there
[12:17] <H2O> yeah...it looks like i'm not connected
[12:17] <H2O> but i'm sure that my connection works or i can't stay here
[12:17] <Milktea> what repositories are you using?
[12:18] <soccerfiend> paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://pastebin.ca
[12:18] <richard_> ! repositories
[12:18] <ubotu> sources is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[12:18] <icewt> H2O, what is it downloading when it stops?
[12:18] <H2O> i'm usin' universe and multiverse repositories
[12:18] <richard_> H20:  go here for help
[12:18] <H2O> sudo apt-get update
[12:18] <H2O> Err http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security Release.gpg
[12:18] <H2O>   Impossibile connettersi a security.ubuntu.com:80 (1.0.0.0), tempo limite di connessione esaurito
[12:18] <richard_> ! repositories
[12:18] <ubotu> sources is, like, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[12:19] <H2O> thanx
[12:19] <richard_> now i need to know what i can use to install .deb packages with one click
[12:19] <richard_> instead of using terminal
[12:19] <Milktea> uh
[12:19] <richard_> yep
[12:20] <richard_> there is a program that does that 
[12:20] <richard_> but i forgot where it is
[12:20] <soccerfiend> konqueror does that for me
[12:20] <NeedHelp> O.o'
[12:20] <soccerfiend> right click on package
[12:21] <soccerfiend> then it says kubuntu package manager -> install
[12:21] <soccerfiend> though I have never actually used this
[12:21] <soccerfiend> it is there
[12:21] <richard_> for .deb packages
[12:21] <soccerfiend> right click on a .deb
[12:22] <richard_> nope
[12:22] <richard_> thats not it
[12:23] <richard_> it came off of kde-look or kde-apps.org
[12:23] <itay> Hi! I installed the new kubuntu, and I want to set the keyboard layout, but when I add a language, I can't check "latin"
[12:23] <Milktea> What's wrong with going to terminal? O_o
[12:23] <soccerfiend> some people don't like the terminal
[12:23] <Milktea> oh
[12:23] <soccerfiend> but then I use cygwin for when I have to use windows
[12:24] <Milktea> lol
[12:24] <Milktea> cygwin
[12:24] <soccerfiend> so I don;t really understand that point of view
[12:24] <Milktea> ./config
[12:24] <Milktea> make
[12:24] <Milktea> xDDD
[12:24] <Milktea> that's all i ever used cygwin for
[12:24] <chavo> soccerfiend, it might be in kdeaddons, but I'm not sure
[12:24] <itay> What's the problem with the new version with KDE? why can't I check "latin" in keyboard layout (it's gray)?
[12:24] <soccerfiend> I use it for bash (lots of bash scripts kicking around), du -sm /dir/*
[12:25] <inventas> java*
[12:25] <inventas> can any 1 get me jave software  ??
[12:25] <inventas> can any 1 get me java software  ??
[12:25] <chavo> because latin is 100000000 years old and no one speaks it?
[12:25] <soccerfiend> actually latin letters are what you are using right now
[12:25] <FaxeSystem> damn the w32codecpack seems not to work in my system? Kaffeine crashes when I try to play a wmv...
[12:25] <Milktea> How do i reinstall a package
[12:26] <chavo> soccerfiend, take it easy man
[12:26] <itay> chavo, I don't want to use latin, but when I check "latin" it enables english and I can use 2 languages in 1 layout.
[12:26] <chavo> Milktea, not sure how to do it from commandline
[12:26] <chavo> I'm just being sarcastic itay, sorry
[12:27] <soccerfiend> chavo: I am pretty relaxed, I am just a bit of a smartass :)
[12:27] <inventas> can any 1 get me java software  ??
[12:27] <chavo> yeah, well I'm very sarcastic so we'll get along fine
[12:28] <soccerfiend> Miktea: apt-get remove, apt-get install
[12:28] <chavo> Milktea, synaptic can reinstall, but it might just be removing it and then installing again
[12:28] <icewt> Milktea, if you want to wipe out all the configuration files and make a clean install - "sudo apt-get --purge remove program" , delete ".program" in your home folder , "sudo apt-get install program"
[12:28] <soccerfiend> chavo:sounds good
[12:28] <mike_> okay - I have installed the w32codecs pack and I still can't get mp3 playback to work with amaroK
[12:29] <mike_> have I missed a step?
[12:29] <humbolt> Is there a way to give kubuntu kde back the normal look? I hate what they did to it! They cut KDE's balls!
[12:29] <soccerfiend> the w32 codecs don't do mp3 do they?
[12:29] <soccerfiend> I use the lame pack
[12:29] <icewt> mike_, you need some gstreamer package for it to work
[12:29] <soccerfiend> I use the xine backend for amarok
[12:29] <FaxeSystem> http://kubuntu.org/faq.php#mp3s look here mike
[12:29] <humbolt> All the usefull features are hidden in some submenu or can't be found at all!
[12:29] <inventas> can any 1 get me java software  ??
[12:29] <icewt> inventas, what do you mean by "java software"?
[12:29] <soccerfiend> inventas: there are two ways to do it, how new are you to linux
[12:30] <chavo> humbolt, rebuild it from source
[12:30] <FaxeSystem> I also have to use the Xine output in Amarok, cause g-streamer gives me some messed up sound :(
[12:30] <che_benway> nickserv help
[12:30] <soccerfiend> xine + alsa works great
[12:30] <chavo> yeah I use juk, but get no sound with gstreamer
[12:30] <soccerfiend> gstreamer breaks regularly
[12:30] <chavo> but xine or arts works fine
[12:30] <soccerfiend> arts is evil
[12:30] <soccerfiend> use xine
[12:30] <Milktea> hmm
[12:31] <chavo> arts is fine, you believe anything you read on the internet
[12:31] <Milktea> II rensttalled wine
[12:31] <humbolt> chavo: Rebuilding it from the kubuntu sources will lead to an amputated kubuntu kde again, right? I would have to take the original kde sources, would I?
[12:31] <Milktea> but it still has a bad fps
[12:31] <soccerfiend> chavo: it will be replaced eventually
[12:31] <chavo> humbolt, yes or just not apply the patches
[12:31] <inventas> can any 1 get me java software  ??
[12:31] <chavo> that's the only way of doing it.
[12:32] <chavo> soccerfiend, arts will be there in kde 4
[12:32] <soccerfiend> sooner or later it has to go
[12:32] <fatejudger> is the non-free version of Java installed on Kubuntu by default?
[12:32] <fatejudger> if not, is there a package?
[12:33] <icewt> fatejudger, http://www.giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[12:33] <soccerfiend> but then I am biased, I use jack to get most audio work done (closet recording geek)
[12:33] <quam> hrm, stupid question. xchat or konversation :P
[12:33] <chavo> humbolt, I build my own kde and it rocks, I update every couple of days from svn. the 3.5 branch
[12:33] <soccerfiend> whatever you like better
[12:33] <mike_> okay - I am STILL getting a problem trying to play MP3 files
[12:33] <Sho_> quam: konversation if you care about KDE integration
[12:33] <chavo> well for what I do, arts has never given me any problems
[12:33] <soccerfiend> mike: apt-cache search lame
[12:33] <humbolt> soccerfiend: arts, has to go? I ask myself, why it is not possible to make alsa multible sound source aware as well as realtime capable?!
[12:33] <quam> sho: what kind of integration do i need for an irc client :P
[12:33] <soccerfiend> humbolt: arts uses alsa 
[12:34] <soccerfiend> and it is realtime capable
[12:34] <Sho_> quam: Integration with the desktop-wide online/offline framework for buddies, for example, or using common KDE OSD notifications, ..
[12:34] <Sho_> quam: KDE shortcuts
[12:34] <FaxeSystem> anyone has a clue why kaffeine crashes when playing wmv and vlc runs fine?
[12:34] <humbolt> soccerfiend: yes, but arts is the one that does the multi source stuff, doesn't it?
[12:34] <soccerfiend> nope
[12:34] <soccerfiend> alsa is just a driver
[12:34] <humbolt> nope?
[12:34] <soccerfiend> and is capable of multi input
[12:34] <chavo> quam, links opening in konqueror, and it uses the same toolkit
[12:34] <Sho_> quam: Bottom line, Konversation is a KDE app, Xchat ain't
[12:34] <soccerfiend> I use jack with alsa every day
[12:35] <quam> chave: actually links open with konqueror in xchat even when im in gnome :P
[12:35] <soccerfiend> the old OSS was not able to process multiple streams
[12:35] <soccerfiend> arts is just a front end
[12:35] <humbolt> soccerfiend: so why can't I use arts and skype together?
[12:35] <soccerfiend> its why it is evil
[12:35] <soccerfiend> and the first thing I disable
[12:35] <crimsun> FaxeSystem: are you using kaffeine-xine?
[12:35] <chavo> well yeah you can do that, but I prefer konversation
[12:35] <soccerfiend> (arts)
[12:36] <quam> chavo: saying it does it on its own. i never told it to use konversation instead of firefox
[12:36] <humbolt> soccerfiend: does the multimedia stuff in kde work without arts?
[12:36] <soccerfiend> humbolt: what multimedia stuff?
[12:36] <crimsun> humbolt: skype insists, in somewhat braindead fashion, on using /dev/dsp
[12:36] <FaxeSystem> yes crimsun
[12:36] <chavo> quam, that's odd. you can right click links in xchat for a menu of things to open them with
[12:36] <crimsun> FaxeSystem: then I guess you should just use vlc :-)
[12:36] <chavo> and change the default as well
[12:36] <Sho_> quam: Why don't you try both and see what you like best?
[12:37] <quam> sho: i have, and i can't decide, which is why i asked for your opinions :P
[12:37] <FaxeSystem> good old xine also works without problems...
[12:37] <soccerfiend> humbolt: I use amarok, xine, gmplayer in kde all the time, works fine, arts is toast on my machine
[12:37] <Sho_> quam: Well, I'm biased, I work on Konvi.
[12:37] <quam> heh
[12:37] <humbolt> crimsun: but why can't oss-alsa emulation layer be treated as just another input source for mulit-in alsa?
[12:37] <icewt> quam, i can solve your problem. just user irssi :)
[12:37] <quam> i don't like irssi :P
[12:37] <chavo> when my audigy2 was still working I could get by without arts, but it broke and now I'm using my onboard sound
[12:38] <crimsun> humbolt: you mean using alsa-oss with oss apps?
[12:38] <crimsun> chavo: your audigy2 shouldn't needs arts at all
[12:38] <chavo> thats what I just said
[12:38] <crimsun> so how did it break?
[12:38] <crimsun> hardware problem?
[12:38] <chavo> I'm very clumsy :)
[12:39] <crimsun> yeah, that would do it.
[12:39] <humbolt> crimsun: when I use skype with /dev/dsp (alsa oss-emulation) and arts with alsa, skype has to wait until arts suspends.
[12:39] <chavo> it doesn't even get recognized in linux or windows
[12:40] <crimsun> humbolt: I presume you've tried artsdsp skype?
[12:40] <crimsun> definitely not an optimal solution, but...
[12:40] <humbolt> does it make sense to use gstreamer in kde with amarok, kaffeine, ...?
[12:40] <crimsun> the best way would be for the Skype guys to actually build an ALSA backend for their app(s)
[12:40] <humbolt> crimsun: nop, that kills skype every time
[12:40] <crimsun> humbolt: and aoss skype?
[12:41] <humbolt> nop
[12:43] <humbolt> but again, is it arts that blocks alsa or is it snd_pcm_oss not being able to work while alsa is doing business?
[12:44] <humbolt> what about noatune, does it work without arts? what about the system sounds in kde?
[12:45] <shad0w1e> anyone know why my box is only recognized on the network by ip and not by name?
[12:45] <fatejudger> icewt: do the "win32 codecs" on that same page allow gstreamer to play proprietary codecs?
[12:45] <fatejudger> I've been having so much trouble with gstreamer
[12:45] <fatejudger> it's just awful
[12:47] <icewt> fatejudger, don't know actually. i haven't really used gstreamer-things myself
[12:48] <icewt> fatejudger, there's MPlayer for video and xmms for audio - nothing else is needed. that's my opinion ;)
[12:50] <fatejudger> mplayer doesn't work too well in firefox
[12:50] <libben> nope
[12:50] <libben> not for me either
[12:51] <libben> it dont allways show the video contents
[12:52] <humbolt> multimedia sucks in linux in general!
[12:53] <quam> yeah, i know how you can't live without your porn :P
[12:53] <chavo> humbolt, you can use the system sounds without arts in KDE
[12:54] <humbolt> my skype has constant distortions, video sometime works, sometime it does not. It seems you can't use two different wideo players at the same time, audio always is delayed by some artsd shit or it is not continuous when you do something else ...
[12:54] <libben> i can live with my porn and linux, just use samba and xbmc on xbox =)
[12:54] <chavo> just have to specify an external sound player, they are in mp3 and ogg
[12:54] <quam> libben: haha
[12:54] <fatejudger> libben: heh, XBMC is great
[12:54] <chavo> humbolt, never have those kind of problems here
[12:55] <fatejudger> it's really sad when I have to play a dvd on my xbox because it doesn't work on my linux box though
[12:55] <humbolt> chavo: sell me your machine!
[12:55] <chavo> ok, for one million dollars!!!!!!!!
[12:56] <icewt> fatejudger, have you tried vlc?
[12:56] <humbolt> and every software update introduces new problems, like the hal and gpg stuff.
[12:56] <humbolt> I could not live without ioslaves though!
[12:57] <fatejudger> icewt: vlc?
[12:57] <quam> i don't even know what hal and gpg are :P
[12:57] <chavo> filelight rocks
[12:57] <humbolt> chavo: so what is the fastest external audio player to use with kde (without artsd)?
[12:57] <icewt> fatejudger, i mean for dvd playback. http://videolan.org
[12:57] <apokryphos> chavo: it seriously doesn't get the publicity it deserves
[12:58] <chavo> humbolt, there's a commandline ogg player, but I can't think of the name. ogg123 or something silly
[12:58] <humbolt> chavo: I want something that plays ogg mp3 and wav
[12:58] <chavo> hmmm, not sure
[01:00] <humbolt> chavo: but you say it I use mplayer with -ao alsa and lets say alsaplayer at the same time, alsa can handle those 2 streams?
[01:01] <chavo> humbolt, not sure, I use arts here and it always plays anything I throw at it
[01:01] <humbolt> at the same time?
[01:01] <chavo> yup
[01:02] <humbolt> and how was that, gstreamer does not support proprietary codecs?
[01:02] <chavo> I built all of that myself
[01:02] <humbolt> what is faster: snd-pcm-oss or aoss?
[01:03] <fatejudger> icewt: I already have the libdvd libraries
[01:03] <fatejudger> icewt: including libdvdcss
[01:04] <fatejudger> icewt: version 1.2.9 I think
[01:04] <fatejudger> icewt: the dvds just have terrible performance
[01:04] <fatejudger> icewt: the videos are really jerky and of poor quality
[01:04] <icewt> fatejudger, hm.. strange
[01:04] <humbolt> why can't I change the volume of skype via kde-alsa mixer when using aoss with skype?
[01:04] <fatejudger> icewt: well, the quality is fine, but it's semi-jerky
[01:05] <fatejudger> icewt: I don't use the player itself, just the libraries
[01:05] <fatejudger> icewt: I use Kaffeine to play the actual dvd
[01:05] <icewt> fatejudger, ok
[01:06] <fatejudger> icewt: do you use Mplayer to play the dvds?
[01:06] <icewt> fatejudger, i use vlc because it supports the dvd menus
[01:07] <fatejudger> icewt: the media player?
[01:07] <icewt> fatejudger, yes
[01:09] <humbolt> can I use gstreamer as external sound player for kde system sounds?
[01:09] <icewt> fatejudger, i haven't tried it much in ubuntu though, but in debian it used to work just fine
[01:09] <libben> fatejudger: do u have dma enabled on ur dvd drive?
[01:13] <qatsi> i have a laptop and a desktop running ubuntu, is there a way to have both in a network, i mean, sharing files and stuff ?
[01:13] <fatejudger> icewt: dma?
[01:14] <fatejudger> icewt: wow, this is the shittest looking media player ever
[01:14] <fatejudger> icewt: where are all the KDE people looking to port this to QT?
[01:15] <icewt> fatejudger, i didn't tell you about dma, but you can find some info there https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA
[01:15] <icewt> fatejudger, and vlc looks just fine :)
[01:16] <qatsi> anyone knows how to set up a linux network ?...for sharing files and stuff ?
[01:17] <chavo> qatsi, I use samba, but I've got windows boxes as well. It's very easy to setup though
[01:18] <icewt> fatejudger, but i'm off to install my brand new kubuntu. until now i've actually been using gnome :)
[01:18] <qatsi> chavo: (del 8) uhmm, with windows its easy, actually its autoconfigured, but how can i configure my linux boxes to be in the network ?
[01:18] <icewt> bye bye gnome
[01:19] <chavo> qatsi, I setup samba a long time ago and have used the same conf file since. I don't remember at all what I did. I remember using webmin though.
[01:20] <shiv> I am a newbie, is there a link which explains in detail how to install tar.gz files?
[01:22] <frank23> shiv: I'm not sure
[01:24] <frank23> shiv: check out
[01:24] <frank23> !shell
[01:24] <ubotu> I guess shell is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/
[01:24] <shiv> thanks
[01:24] <frank23> shiv: basically, you run   tar zxvf tar.gz
[01:24] <pospeselr> Anyone here able to help me out with a server installation of 5.10 kubuntu?
[01:24] <frank23> go in the directory, look at the README or INSTALL file
[01:25] <frank23> the basic procedure is   ./configure      then make then make install
[01:25] <Logikal> sudo make install
[01:25] <Logikal> I suggest
[01:25] <frank23> shiv you cannot easily uninstall this way though which is why I use checkinstall instead  of make install
[01:26] <m_tadeu> hi... I'm having some problems with some characters when copying files...special characters like  or  are not interpreted...whats wrong?
[01:26] <libben> how can i see whats going on over my nics?
[01:26] <libben> wanna see how much bandwidth xbmc takes from my internet =)
[01:26] <frank23> libben: what do you mean by "see"
[01:26] <frank23> libben: I don't really know how
[01:26] <libben> well i wanna see how much it is in kb/sec 
[01:27] <pospeselr> Anyone here able to help me out with a server installation of 5.10 kubuntu?
[01:28] <libben> ethstats maybe would be something for me
[01:29] <frank23> pospeselr: just ask away, if someone know, they will answer
[01:29] <libben> or knetload
[01:29] <libben> any1 tried knetload?
[01:29] <pospeselr> alright, I'm running from a server installation of 5.10 Kubuntu
[01:30] <frank23> libben: no bu I just might
[01:30] <pospeselr> I've apt-get installed x-window-system-core kdebase kdm kmix nvidia-glx hplip foomatic-db-hpijs foomatic-filters foomatic-db-engine
[01:30] <libben> knetload is if i understand it right a kicker... and places itself in tray
[01:30] <pospeselr> I've added my printer (HP Photosmart 7660) just fine and it works whenever I print a test page and from kate
[01:30] <frank23> libben: did you try it?
[01:31] <libben> not yet. gonna do it later.
[01:31] <libben> right now im writing in the forums
[01:31] <pospeselr> I ultimately want to share it (the printer) using CUPS with my winXP laptop
[01:32] <pospeselr> However, whenever I tried to run the HPLIP Toolbox it claims that my "No installed HP devices found"
[01:33] <pospeselr> the server also refuses to restart using the KDE print manager GUI claiming that  it could not restart the server because it is "Unable to find a running CUPS server"
[01:33] <pospeselr> but I can /etc/init.d/cupsys restart/stop/start with no trouble
[01:34] <frank23> pospeselr: I know nothing about printing. did you check the forums?
[01:34] <pospeselr> of course
[01:35] <pospeselr> I don't really mind if the HPLIP bit doesn't work, but I really want to get this thing to work as a network printer, but it seems that every guide I follow for setting up CUPS does not seem to work
[01:35] <pospeselr> no matter what I do (under version 5.04 anyways) my windows machine can't find the printer
[01:36] <pospeselr> I'm at my wits end, and this is pretty much the only thing keeping me back from a fully functioning system
[01:36] <frank23> pospeselr: did you set it as a samba share ?
[01:36] <Gen> palhaada..
[01:36] <Gen> no entendo porra nenhuma disso aqui..
[01:36] <frank23> !br
[01:36] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) para ajuda em portugues. Obrigado.
[01:37] <pospeselr> I have tried setting it as a samba share, I can even get windows to see the printer going through \\hostname/printername, but my laptop claims the server does not have the proper drivers and gives me a huge list of drivers to choose from, but my printer model is not in the list
[01:38] <pospeselr> I should supposedly be able to add the printer as a network printer using cups by adding ipp://hostname:631/printers/printername but my laptop refuses to find my printer this way
[01:38] <frank23> pospeselr: yeah I'm out of my league here
[01:38] <pospeselr> the cups documentation is more than somewhat lacking
[01:38] <frank23> pospeselr: windows probably only can do samba natively
[01:39] <frank23> pospeselr: maybe there is something you can install in windows to make it connect to a cups server
[01:39] <pospeselr> nope, you're supposed to be able to add it using the ipp://blah blah format
[01:39] <apokryphos> can anyone on breezy try a sudo apt-get build-dep amarok? ..no need to download them; just see if it cops out or not immediately
[01:39] <m_tadeu> !pt
[01:39] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) para ajuda em portugues. Obrigada.
[01:39] <pospeselr> according to a few guides I've found
[01:40] <pospeselr> i can add it with samba, but my printer driver isn't there
[01:40] <pospeselr> i tried adding it with another hp printer driver, and it ended up printing a blank page when I tested it :-p
[01:41] <pospeselr> it should not be so difficult to set up networked printing
[01:49] <shad0w1e> is there any reason why my box isnt advertising it's name on the LAN?
[01:58] <richard_> how do i install realplayer
[01:58] <lwells> I was wondering if anyone could help me with my wireless internet connection
[02:01] <paelscrit> damnit my mobo just went out on my windows box
[02:02] <lwells> I am where you can configure the network interfaces
[02:02] <lwells> But cannot get in to change it, when i click the admin mode and enter my password, still does not let me change it
[02:05] <paelscrit> i had the same problem lwells 
[02:05] <paelscrit> i couldnt fix it
[02:05] <lwells> It wont let you into the Admin Mode??
[02:06] <paelscrit> i ended up just re-installing kubuntu 
[02:06] <paelscrit> with my internet connection ready to go
[02:06] <SbCl3> ...why does removing that stupid memory-leaking widget converter gtk2-engines-gtk-qt require removing "kubuntu-desktop"?
[02:06] <paelscrit> it works now but i still cant edit it
[02:06] <lwells> that is no good
[02:06] <paelscrit> nope
[02:06] <paelscrit> the admin button wasnt there
[02:06] <paelscrit> like it wouldnt expand all the way or something
[02:06] <paelscrit> it still wont
[02:07] <lwells> i found it, you have to expand the box
[02:07] <paelscrit> mine wouldnt expand
[02:07] <libben> frank23: tried it yet?
[02:07] <paelscrit> it just cuts off
[02:07] <libben> im gonna install it tomorow. gonna get some sleep now.. but let me know if u liked it if u tried it
[02:07] <lwells> I will
[02:08] <frank23> libben: just a sec
[02:10] <paelscrit> can someone tell me how to install a debian package if you download it from the net
[02:11] <apokryphos> paelscrit: sudo dpkg -i somepack.deb
[02:11] <paelscrit> do i have to have the package in a particular folder?
[02:11] <frank23> libben: I have it now but it doesn't separate network trafic by program. just the total trafic
[02:11] <frank23> libben: I don't think its very useful
[02:12] <apokryphos> paelscrit: any will do
[02:12] <paelscrit> thanks
[02:12] <libben> well, not if it just showing total. its not that interessting when u have more nix then one =)
[02:12] <libben> thxs for the heads up on it. will hunt down a good one tomorow
[02:12] <libben> nn
[02:13] <frank23> libben: well you mean divide by interface?
[02:13] <frank23> libben: yeah you choose the network card
[02:15] <libben> ok, and u see the traffic in just total ?
[02:16] <lwells> Anyone know how to get into admin mode
[02:17] <frank23> lwells: what do you mean?
[02:17] <lwells> well on Breezy, it appears to make any changes to system you need ot put on admin pass, well does not work
[02:18] <frank23> lwells: you mean in system settings?
[02:18] <lwells> yep
[02:19] <frank23> lwells: kde has problems with that....  try  kdesu kcontrol
[02:19] <lwells> i did nothing happened when i ran that command
[02:20] <frank23> sudo kcontrol?
[02:22] <lwells> can anyone help me with my wireless connection
[02:23] <Ayiden> Alright im back from earlier... I need to be able to compile a driver into the kernel. I have kubuntu 5.10 breezy. What all do I need extra thats not already included besides the kernel sources?
[02:23] <capiCrimm> how do I create shared object(.so) files?
[02:24] <frank23> Ayiden: a compiler?   install build-essentials for all you compiling needs
[02:24] <frank23> capiCrimm: ? what do you need to do?
[02:24] <Ayiden> the package is called build essencials... in that in the ubuntu pool?
[02:24] <capiCrimm> frank23, i'm trying to build a php extension.
[02:25] <Ayiden> frank23: build-essentials is that in the ubuntu pool?
[02:25] <Ayiden> frank23: and is that the full package name? 
[02:25] <frank23> Ayiden: yes but its build-essential sorry
[02:25] <Ayiden> oh and thanks alot Ill go check around for it
[02:25] <Ayiden> oh
[02:26] <Ayiden> its okay thanks 
[02:26] <Ayiden> I just hope thats all I need  : )
[02:27] <frank23> ummm   build-essential will probbaly put gcc-4  and you probably need gcc-3.4 though
[02:27] <n0odl3> does anyonne know how to uninstall gnome?
[02:27] <frank23> just thought of this...
[02:27] <Ayiden> frank23: which one should I get? build-essential_10.1ubuntu1_i386.deb? or build-essential_11.1_i386.deb?
[02:27] <Ayiden> alright
[02:28] <lwells> i sure need help, so confused on why my wireless network is not working, was working on Hoary
[02:28] <Ayiden> frank23: should I just get build-essential_11.1_i386.deb which seems to be the latest?
[02:28] <frank23> Ayiden: only 11 should be available. make sure you take out the hoary sources
[02:28] <Ayiden> okay
[02:28] <n0odl3> anyone know how to get rid of gnome?
[02:29] <frank23> lwells: it was working on hoary? does the interface still should in the interface list in network connections
[02:29] <frank23> n0odl3: do you have a fast connection?
[02:29] <lwells> did work with Hoary yes
[02:29] <Ayiden> what all does build essetials include?
[02:29] <Ayiden> because the file seems awfully small
[02:29] <n0odl3> yeah i do
[02:29] <n0odl3> why?
[02:30] <lwells> I completely reinstalled the OS
[02:30] <n0odl3> why are you asking me this frank?
[02:30] <paelscrit> hmm i wonder why my sound wont work with my onboard sound
[02:30] <Ayiden> frank23: what all does build essetials include? Because the package seems awfully small
[02:30] <n0odl3> hello?
[02:30] <frank23> n0odl3: well my suggestion is to uninstall libgtk1 and libgtk2 and then reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[02:31] <n0odl3> what about
[02:31] <frank23> Ayiden: it has dependancies for gcc g++ and make
[02:31] <n0odl3> logging into kde then uninstall libgtk1 and libgtk2?
[02:32] <frank23> n0odl3: those are not the exact packages names...  but yeah, all of the gnome apps will be removes as well
[02:32] <n0odl3> including mozilla?
[02:32] <Ayiden> okay
[02:32] <frank23> n0odl3: yes, but you can reinstall it afterwards
[02:32] <n0odl3> but will my method of uninstalling work?
[02:32] <frank23> n0odl3: thats why I asked about fast connecgtion
[02:33] <n0odl3> i understand
[02:33] <n0odl3> but will my method of uninstalling work?
[02:33] <Ayiden> frank23: I have the kernel sources and when I installed them and tryed to add somthing to the kernel I got an autoconf file missing error
[02:33] <frank23> n0odl3: what method?
[02:33] <Ayiden> weird
[02:33] <n0odl3> logging into kde then uninstalling those files
[02:33] <n0odl3> well not those exactly
[02:33] <n0odl3> those files
[02:34] <frank23> Ayiden: I don't know anything about that
[02:34] <frank23> n0odl3: its  libgtk2.0-0 actually.   all the gnome packages depend on it
[02:35] <n0odl3> ok
[02:35] <n0odl3> well
[02:35] <n0odl3> if i log onto kde then uninstall libgtk2.0-0 then will that work?
[02:36] <apokryphos> that will remove all gnome, yes
[02:36] <frank23> n0odl3: yes but you need to reinstall kubuntu-desktop afterwards
[02:36] <n0odl3> really?
[02:36] <n0odl3> why?
[02:36] <frank23> n0odl3: which will make you redownload a bunch of packages
[02:36] <n0odl3> i see
[02:37] <n0odl3> is it bad if i just keep gnome?
[02:37] <frank23> n0odl3: because gstreamer and a buch of other things are in kubuntu
[02:37] <n0odl3> i already have gstreamer
[02:37] <n0odl3> and stuff liek that
[02:37] <n0odl3> but is it bad just to keep gnome?
[02:37] <apokryphos> n0odl3: best way is to use debfoster
[02:37] <apokryphos> it's not bad, no
[02:37] <frank23> n0odl3: yes but uninstalling libgtk2 will also uninstall gstreamer
[02:37] <apokryphos> but if you do want to remove it...
[02:38] <n0odl3> do you know how much space it takes up exactly?
[02:38] <n0odl3> (gnome)
[02:39] <frank23> I don't know......  150-200 MBs maybe??
[02:39] <frank23> n0odl3: just a guess
[02:42] <lwells> is not there something about setting up a lo connection for wireless??
[02:43] <sudonim> How can you get Ark to unrar things?
[02:43] <lwells> It just keeps saying that i have a "Disabled Wireless Network Device" on the network settings.  Any ideas?
[02:44] <frank23> lwells: what happens when you try to enable it?
[02:44] <frank23> lwells: did you try sudo kcontrol?
[02:44] <lwells> Does nothing.  Yes I did sudo kcontrol.
[02:45] <frank23> lwells: ok, I know another way.  blame kde for that problem
[02:45] <capiCrimm> If I want to change some configure options to a compiled program. Is there a way I can just change some of the options, or do I have to rebuild it all over again?
[02:45] <lwells> sure, love to blame kde
[02:45] <lwells> lol
[02:45] <frank23> lwells: no really, this bug has been in kde for a long time
[02:46] <lwells> ohok, what is the other way
[02:46] <frank23> lwells: the way I setup wireless:  install  gnome-system-tools , run  sudo network-config.   enter configuration info, works!
[02:47] <lwells> k
[02:47] <frank23> lwells: but you need a network connection to install gnome-system-tools
[02:48] <frank23> (I think)
[02:48] <lwells> funny
[02:48] <lwells> like a big jokehuh
[02:49] <lwells> I need a network connection, to be able to get a network connection
[02:49] <frank23> lwells: now I remember... I actually installed ubuntu before kubuntu. thats why I had it
[02:49] <frank23> lwells: you could also install it from a ubuntu (not kubuntu) install cd
[02:49] <lwells> that is what i did with hoary
[02:50] <lwells> installed ubuntu first
[02:50] <frank23> lwells: why did you not just upgrade intead of doing a fresh install?
[02:50] <lwells> got all screwed up, lost connection
[02:50] <lwells> had to do a fresh install
[02:51] <frank23> oh
[02:51] <lwells> going back to hoary i think
[02:52] <lwells> Wish someone would of told me to install ubuntu first
[02:53] <frank23> lwells: you can also setup wireless manually by editing config file however I don't know how to do it
[02:54] <lwells> going to start over
[02:54] <lwells> think i will upgrade from ubuntu first
[03:08] <quam> anyone familiar with using dual monitors in kubuntu?
[03:16] <raphink> hello
[03:16] <raphink> I'm using kubuntu and I've got a network problem
[03:16] <raphink> well say ...
[03:16] <raphink> I configure my interfaces with xnetcardconfig
[03:16] <raphink> it works well
[03:16] <raphink> until I reboot ...
[03:16] <raphink> and all my config is lost
[03:16] <raphink> :(
[03:16] <raphink> any idea?
[03:19] <dan_> Can I get some help with installing synaptic touchpad driver?  On "make" I get this error: synaptics.c:59:23: error: sys/ioctl.h: No such file or directory
[03:23] <arafat> dan_:  why don't you just "apt-get install xorg-driver-synaptics" ?
[03:25] <dan_> I'm on the latest version.  Can't tell if it is v0.14.3 or v0.13.x from the label in Adept.
[03:25] <dan_> Needless to say, I'm having trouble editing xorg.conf to disable tap-to-click.
[03:27] <arafat> dan_: try installing "dietlibc-dev"... then you might be able to compile the driver
[03:28] <dan_> arafat: Will do.  Thanks.
[03:43] <wotnarg> hrm... is there any way to get  CLI players and other simple programs to play nice with arts? Symlink of /dev/dsp to somewhere? :p
[03:48] <douglas> Has anyone ever seen a qt interface for gaim?
[03:58] <_john> i need help
[03:58] <_john> i am new to linux and IRC
[04:02] <_john> help
[04:02] <_john> \help
[04:02] <_john> #hrlp
[04:02] <_john> #help
[04:02] <_john> #i need help
[04:09] <richard_> i need to configure my dvd drive 
[04:09] <richard_> how would i do that
[04:09] <richard_> i know that i go into terminal as root, and type something
[04:09] <richard_> but what do i type
[04:10] <richard_> this is froggy25
[04:10] <richard_> and i need help
[04:10] <richard_> plz
[04:10] <quam> try #ubuntu
[04:10] <quam> everyone seems to be dead here
[04:11] <quam> or not :P
[04:19] <poimen> were I can get win32 codecs for xine?
[04:20] <Ayiden> okay i am getting pretty agrevated... I midess well be using RPM"s 
[04:21] <orugo> hi!
[04:22] <orugo> hey i have a problem with kmldonkey
[04:23] <frank23> !w32codecs
[04:23] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats deb to download: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[04:23] <orugo> !mldonkey
[04:23] <ubotu> orugo: Are you on ritalin?
[04:24] <frank23> orugo: that is for ed2k network?
[04:24] <orugo> right
[04:24] <frank23> try aMule
[04:24] <orugo> yes but
[04:24] <orugo> mldonkey combines eDonkey and KaZaa (fasttrack)
[04:24] <orugo> and i use kazaa a lot
[04:24] <orugo> i love it
[04:24] <frank23> orugo: I use appolon for kazaa
[04:25] <orugo> well
[04:25] <orugo> i'll try them
[04:25] <orugo> tks!
[04:25] <orugo> i use aMsn
[04:25] <orugo> is there something better?
[04:25] <frank23> orugo: for appolon you need to find the fasttrack plugin though
[04:26] <frank23> maybe I'll try kmldonkey
[04:26] <orugo> aha
[04:26] <orugo> it works ok but
[04:26] <orugo> not working now in my new kubuntu 5.10
[04:26] <orugo>  :(
[04:27] <orugo> hey
[04:27] <orugo> where can i found appolon
[04:27] <orugo> i mean there's not in the kubuntu soft
[04:27] <orugo> in the package manager
[04:27] <orugo> (i have all the repos)
[04:28] <frank23> apollon
[04:28] <frank23> sry
[04:28] <moshe> hello
[04:29] <orugo> ahh
[04:29] <orugo> :P
[04:29] <orugo> ok
[04:29] <moshe> why is kde not fitting my screen since the upgrade to breezy?
[04:29] <frank23> I will try kmldonkey right now
[04:29] <orugo> you need mldonkey
[04:29] <orugo> kmldonkey is a gui for mlonkey
[04:29] <frank23> mldonkey-server?
[04:29] <orugo> right
[04:29] <orugo> "mlnet"
[04:29] <orugo> kmldonkey will ask you to found mlnet file in the mldonkey main folder
[04:30] <orugo> i think its in /usr/bin/mlnet or something
[04:30] <orugo> any way: whereis mldonkey in the shell
[04:30] <frank23> orugo: ok
[04:34] <orugo> hey
[04:34] <orugo> i cant find appollo in the packagemanager :(
[04:35] <frank23> its apollon
[04:35] <orugo> ahh
[04:35] <orugo> with one p
[04:35] <orugo> ahahahahaha
[04:35] <orugo> :(
[04:36] <orugo> hey
[04:36] <orugo> tell me a good game
[04:36] <orugo> for a 32mb video card:P
[04:36] <frank23> warcraft 3?
[04:36] <orugo> for linux?
[04:37] <frank23> you can play warcraft 3 for windows with wine or cedega
[04:37] <frank23> what was your problem with kmldonkey?
[04:37] <orugo> it cant connect to servers
[04:37] <orugo> i mean
[04:38] <orugo> it HAVENT server list
[04:38] <orugo> :(
[04:38] <frank23> me neither...
[04:38] <orugo> nayway
[04:38] <orugo> i deleted it
[04:38] <orugo> :P
[04:40] <frank23> well fasttrack work in kmldonkey
[04:41] <Ayide1> I cant get online to use adept because I need drivers to get online. I have the drivers... but I need to compile them into my running kernel.. what do I do is there a list some where of every possible package I need to do that or perhaps some big package that includes everything and the kitchen sink.. im pretty desperate here. I midess well be using RPM"s because im running into a dependancy night mare here folks.
[04:42] <milksteak> eww
[04:42] <milksteak> fasttrack
[04:42] <Ayide1>  I cant get online to use adept because I need drivers to get online. I have the drivers... but I need to compile them into my running kernel.. what do I do is there a list some where of every possible package I need to do that or perhaps some big package that includes everything and the kitchen sink.. im pretty desperate here. I midess well be using RPM"s because im running into a dependancy night mare here folks.
[04:43] <frank23> Ayide1: what driver?
[04:43] <Ayide1> can somebody help me?
[04:43] <Ayide1> its just an hsf modem driver but I need the stuff to be able to compile it
[04:43] <orugo> i have no idea :(
[04:43] <Ayide1> kubuntu doesnt include the stuff most people should have pre-installed
[04:44] <Ayide1> like gcc... make... make dev
[04:44] <Ayide1> etc...
[04:44] <Ayide1> I can see not including the kernel sources but jeesh
[04:44] <frank23> Ayide1: they stuff it into one cd thuogh....  
[04:44] <Ayide1> I know but so does mepis
[04:44] <Ayide1> oh well
[04:45] <Ayide1> I just wish I had a broadband connection thats all
[04:45] <Ayide1> *(lol) it would be so easy to just adept it all
[04:45] <Ayide1> does anyone know of a big package that includes everything and the kitch sink that may be able to help?
[04:45] <Ayide1> kitchen**
[04:45] <frank23> Ayide1: is it possible for me to do it for you?
[04:46] <Ayide1> and send me the packages?
[04:46] <frank23> no just the driver
[04:46] <jsubl2> Ayide1, yeah but it is nice that you only have to dl 1 cd
[04:46] <Ayide1> yeah
[04:46] <Ayide1> I have the driver
[04:46] <crimsun> Ayide1: what sort of kitchen sink?
[04:46] <Ayide1> ha ha
[04:46] <Ayide1> I just need to be able to install it
[04:47] <Ayide1> without the stuff needed to compile thgings into a running kernel anyone that isnt compatable right off is in trouble
[04:47] <Ayide1> what do you guys normally do on a fresh installl?
[04:48] <frank23> Ayide1: well linux-restricted-modules takes care of alot of stuff
[04:50] <Ayide1> all I want is to get my modem working and the nvidia drivers
[04:50] <Ayide1> the hsf drivers have a package but its for hoary : (
[04:51] <Ayide1> thanks for trying to help *(lol)
[04:52] <crimsun> if you have Internet access, install fakeroot, linux-headers-$(uname -r), build-essential, and gcc-3.4
[04:52] <Ayide1> dependencies can be a real pain
[04:53] <crimsun> do you not have a live Internet connection on that box?
[04:53] <Ayide1> no
[04:53] <crimsun> does the box have a network card?
[04:53] <Ayide1> only 56k.. which i need the modem to get to : (
[04:53] <Ayide1> I wish I could just sudo apt-get update
[04:53] <Ayide1> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:53] <Ayide1> sudo apt-get install kernel-package
[04:53] <Ayide1> sudo apt-get install gcc
[04:53] <Ayide1> sudo apt-get install libncurses5
[04:53] <Ayide1> sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[04:53] <Ayide1> sudo apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev
[04:54] <Ayide1> thats why deb packaging was invented
[04:54] <crimsun> you do realize that you can just boot into the Hoary kernel, right?
[04:54] <Ayide1> instead Im doing it manually and finding out that those few packages need a lot more ha ha ha
[04:54] <jsubl2> or you can do something like apt-get build-dep kaffeine-xine  that will suck down a lot of stuff
[04:55] <crimsun> the Hoary kernel isn't removed when you dist-upgrade
[04:55] <crimsun> just choose the 2.6.10-5-foo kernel when you boot
[04:55] <Ayide1> can I boot in install the hsf driver then download those packages and then install them in breezy and then install the hsf driver O.O
[04:56] <Ayide1> whoo hoo OMG this might just work *(lol)
[04:56] <Ayide1> thanks
[04:56] <Ayide1> let me make sure these drivers ill work 
[04:56] <Ayide1> THANK YOU!!!
[04:56] <orugo> hey
[04:56] <orugo> how can i open a port
[04:56] <orugo> for output and input?
[04:56] <crimsun> what type of port?
[04:57] <crimsun> neither Ubuntu nor Kubuntu install a firewall by default.
[04:57] <orugo> internet port
[04:57] <orugo> yes but
[04:57] <orugo> i opened amule
[04:57] <orugo> and it says that blablala = LOWID
[04:57] <orugo> i need to OPEN a port
[04:57] <crimsun> that's an issue for your router/cable modem
[04:57] <orugo> nor remembers me TURBO PASCAL
[04:57] <orugo> haha (im HISPANOHABLANTE)
[04:58] <Ayide1> so these should work hsfmodem_7.18.00.06full_k2.6.10_5_686_ubuntu_i386.deb.zip
[04:58] <Ayide1> thanks ill be right back
[04:58] <Ayide1> I can boot into that from grub right?
[04:58] <frank23> orugo: do you have a router?
[04:58] <crimsun> no, you can't boot into hsfmodem_7.18.00.06full_k2.6.10_5_686_ubuntu_i386.deb.zip from GRUB
[04:58] <crimsun> you have to boot into 2.6.10-5-686
[04:58] <Ayide1> no i didnt mean that lol
[04:58] <Ayide1> ha ha ha
[04:59] <`Nomad411> !ftp
[04:59] <ubotu> `Nomad411: What?
[04:59] <Ayide1> alright brb and thanks ^.^
[04:59] <orugo> no
[04:59] <orugo> i have a bad connection
[04:59] <`Nomad411> Is there a default FTP server with 5.10?
[04:59] <orugo> local net
[04:59] <`Nomad411> proftpd?
[04:59] <orugo> shared internet
[05:00] <frank23> orugo: what do you mean shared internet?
[05:00] <orugo> internet comes to a PC
[05:00] <orugo> and it shares the connection
[05:00] <orugo> with another 2 pcs
[05:00] <orugo> :P
[05:00] <orugo> it really sucks
[05:00] <orugo> hahaha
[05:00] <orugo> without router
[05:00] <orugo> the cheaper way!!!
[05:01] <frank23> orugo: well the first PC acts as a router there
[05:01] <orugo> some ethernet's and cable
[05:01] <orugo> yeah
[05:01] <orugo> but i always worked with donkey here
[05:01] <orugo> i mean nothing in the first pc changed
[05:01] <orugo> (they dont know how to change something)
[05:01] <`Nomad411> !proftpd
[05:02] <ubotu> `Nomad411: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[05:03] <frank23> orugo: do you run donkey on that first pc?
[05:03] <orugo> no
[05:03] <orugo> i ran it here
[05:03] <frank23> I don't really know...
[05:03] <orugo> :(
[05:04] <frank23> what if you change the port you connect with?
[05:04] <orugo> yes
[05:04] <orugo> ill try that
[05:04] <frank23> orugo: and did you change from kmldonkey to aMule?
[05:05] <orugo> when i install kubuntu 510
[05:05] <orugo> i installed kmldonkey
[05:05] <orugo> ant it doesnt worked
[05:05] <orugo> now im trying with amule
[05:05] <orugo> in 5.04 kmldonkey worked ok
[05:05] <Ayiden> crap... the 5.04 kernel 2.6.10 isnt an option  : (
[05:05] <Ayiden> i have kubuntu 5.10 breezy
[05:06] <Ayiden> is the kernel still there is there another way to boot to it?
[05:07] <Ayiden> crimsun: it isnt an option in grub
[05:07] <Ayiden> now what *(lol)
[05:08] <crimsun> Ayiden: I presume you dist-upgraded from Hoary?
[05:09] <Ayiden> I keep getting DC ....
[05:10] <Ayiden> okay well I cant boot into the 2.6.10 kernel it isnt an option in grub
[05:10] <Ayiden> I have kubuntu 5.10
[05:11] <crimsun> Ayiden: did you dist-upgrade from Hoary?
[05:11] <Ayiden> crimsun: is there another way to boot into the kernel or is the 2.6.10 kernel not included in breezy?
[05:11] <Ayiden> no
[05:11] <Ayiden> Its a fresh install
[05:12] <Ayiden> : (
[05:12] <Ayiden> this sux eh
[05:12] <frank23> Ayiden: the 2.6.10 kernel is in the hoary repos
[05:12] <Ayiden> yeah and to use that I would need the stuff im trying to get working now anyway *(lol)
[05:12] <frank23> right ;-)
[05:13] <Ayiden> ha ha ha
[05:13] <Ayiden> yeah well this should be fun...
[05:13] <crimsun> Ayiden: I presumed you had dist-upgraded from Hoary.
[05:13] <crimsun> Ayiden: well, time to sneakernet the debs
[05:13] <crimsun> get out a blank CD and start downloading the dependencies.
[05:13] <crimsun> you'll want a CDRW
[05:13] <Ayiden> there has to be an easier way other than looking at the dependencies for each and every file until ive downloaed everything there is
[05:13] <crimsun> nope, that's what you'll be doing.
[05:14] <Ayiden> crimsun: its okay.. now i wish i had *(lol)
[05:14] <crimsun> packages.ubuntu.com/package will list the dependencies
[05:15] <Ayiden> I feel like im walking down a trail waiting to get my head chopped off whilst listening to that death song.. dun dun dun da da da da da da DUN!!!
[05:16] <Ayiden> hey thank you ALOT for that link though it will be a BIG help
[05:24] <orugo> hey
[05:24] <orugo> can i change the KONQUEROR?
[05:24] <orugo> i mean i want a different file manager
[05:27] <Ravensky> is there a good audio converter program out there for Linux?
[05:33] <`Nomad411> Could someone tell me if you get a prompt at ftp://lutes.ath.cx
[05:37] <Jeevan> can mplayer play Quicktime7 files yet?
[05:51] <richard_> im trying to install kompose
[05:51] <richard_> i need to know what all should i do 
[05:52] <richard_> to get it up and running
[05:52] <lwells> how do i get the kde desktop when i have ubuntu
[05:52] <richard_> do you have all the kde files installed
[05:52] <frank23> lwells: install kubuntu-desktop
[05:52] <richard_> frank23, help me out plz
[05:53] <lwells> do i do that through terminal?
[05:53] <frank23> lwells: you can use adept
[05:53] <richard_> no, synaptic
[05:53] <kdude> jrjx: Hey J.. you there?
[05:53] <richard_> how do i configure kompose right
[05:54] <richard_> i install imlib2
[05:54] <richard_> but it says that it cant find it in the shared libraries
[05:54] <richard_> so what should i do
[05:54] <frank23> richard_: did you install kompose?
[05:55] <richard_> yes
[05:55] <richard_> i installed kompose
[05:55] <frank23> what is imlib2?
[05:55] <richard_> its for imaging
[05:55] <richard_> this is what i installed,  imlib2_1.0.6-2_i386.deb
[05:56] <richard_> it was needed by kompose
[05:56] <frank23> richard_: where did you find that?
[05:56] <richard_> find what
[05:56] <frank23> imlimlib2_1.0.6-2_i386.deb
[05:56] <richard_> at rpmfind
[05:56] <frank23> first mistake
[05:56] <richard_> ok
[05:56] <frank23> ;-)
[05:57] <frank23> get rid of it
[05:57] <richard_> ok
[05:57] <richard_> how do i do that
[05:57] <frank23> sudo apt-get remove imlib2
[05:57] <frank23> I think...
[05:58] <richard_> ok
[05:58] <richard_> its gone
[05:58] <richard_> now what
[05:58] <richard_> ! imlib2
[05:58] <ubotu> richard_: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[05:58] <richard_> dang
[05:58] <frank23> well I think what you need is libimlib2   but it should be installed already I think
[05:58] <frank23> !info libimlib2
[05:58] <ubotu> libimlib2: (powerful image loading and rendering library), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.2.0-2.2ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 188 kB, Installed size: 548 kB
[05:59] <richard_> what if its not up to date
[05:59] <richard_> what do i do then
[06:00] <richard_> i looked it up on synaptic, its not there
[06:00] <frank23> did you install kompose with synaptic?
[06:00] <richard_> no
[06:00] <richard_> its not there either
[06:00] <frank23> second mistake ;-)
[06:00] <frank23> you have to enable universe
[06:00] <frank23> !sources
[06:00] <ubotu> rumour has it, sources is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[06:00] <richard_> i did
[06:00] <richard_> that
[06:01] <richard_> universe and multiverse
[06:01] <frank23> then you can install kompose and it will install everything else automatically
[06:01] <frank23> do you run the x86 version of ubuntu?
[06:01] <richard_> yeah
[06:01] <richard_> i386
[06:02] <frank23> then it should work: I just installed it myself
[06:02] <frank23> hit reload in synaptic
[06:02] <richard_> i got it
[06:02] <frank23> then do a search for kompose
[06:02] <richard_> kompose is installed
[06:02] <richard_> i just removed it
[06:02] <richard_> and used apt-get
[06:03] <richard_> it works now
[06:03] <frank23> you used apt-get to install kompose?
[06:03] <richard_> yeah
[06:03] <frank23> great
[06:03] <richard_> libimlib2, libungif4g, and kompose installed
[06:04] <frank23> install everything with synaptic using ubuntu repositories. If you can't find packages for ubuntu, your best bet is to install from source
[06:04] <frank23> don't install random .deb files
[06:04] <richard_> ok
[06:04] <richard_> what about apt-get
[06:04] <frank23> apt-get and synaptic do the same thing
[06:04] <richard_> ok
[06:04] <richard_> thanks
[06:19] <poimen> there is a media player for linux that runs ogm fileS?
[06:19] <regeya> poimen: mplayer, xine should both do it
[06:20] <poimen> ok
[06:21] <regeya> poimen: and by extension, kaffeine (being libxine-dependent) should do it
[06:21] <frank23> regeya: install kaffeine-xine and change the engine in kaffeine
[06:21] <regeya> erm, thanks, frank, I guess
[06:23] <moshe> hello
[06:24] <Hobbsee> hello
[06:24] <moshe> I have run into a strange problem.
[06:24] <regeya> frank23: is that a package in the breezy repos?  I'm not upgrading until the major bugs are ironed out (y'know, kubuntu being treated like the step-brother issue) and to tell you the truth I didn't ask a question about kaffeine, but thanks for answering anyway
[06:24] <moshe> I cannot log into kde, gnome, or xfce, but I can log in to blackbox
[06:25] <moshe> I just upgraded to breezy two nights ago
[06:25] <Hobbsee> do you get any errors?
[06:25] <frank23> regeya: oh your in hoary... well the kaffeine in hoary is based on xine. doesn't it work?
[06:26] <regeya> frank23: what part of 'I didn't ask a question about kaffeine' is difficult?
[06:26] <frank23> regeya: lol\
[06:26] <moshe> Hobbsee, well, I enter my password for any of those sessions, and then X reboots
[06:26] <frank23> regeya: it must be getting it late!
[06:26] <frank23> regeya: you wrote the answer, not the question ;-)
[06:27] <poimen> thankx regeya and frank23 I am downloading a ogm torrent too se if the video works and if it lest me change audio files :)
[06:28] <Hobbsee> moshe: you might want to try in #ubuntu, unless anyone here knows - there's more people ther
[06:28] <Hobbsee> *there
[06:28] <moshe> ok
[06:34] <pipegeek> Hi all.  I just dist-upgraded from hoary to breezy...and kvim isn't there any more!  I checked http://packages.ubuntu.org/kvim, and that confirms it.  What happened to kvim in breezy?  Why isn't it there?  I like kvim!  I use kvim! :^(
[06:36] <regeya> hey wow
[06:36] <regeya> someone uses (and likes) kvim!
[06:36] <Hobbsee> pipegeek: good question...it's not in universe or multiverse or any of them either
[06:42] <pipegeek> :^)  
[06:42] <pipegeek> How odd
[06:43] <pipegeek> Do you know to whom I could mention such a thing?  I have no experience whatsoever building debian packages, but I could give it a whirl...
[06:44] <Hobbsee> pipegeek: Riddell generally does the kde packaging
[06:44] <pipegeek> Hobbsee: OK.  How should I contact him?  I'd hate to seem rude.
[06:44] <pipegeek> Hobbsee: Thanks, btw
[06:45] <Hobbsee> he's here, but idle
[06:48] <pipegeek> Ah.  Also, one other thing--items in remote:/, when selected from the "Network Folders" panel menu, now open twice when clicked.  Not a big deal, but rather annoying.  Have you heard of this before? 
[06:48] <Hobbsee> pipegeek: which kde?
[06:49] <pipegeek> 3.4.3
[06:49] <pipegeek> Hobbsee: again, from breezy
[06:49] <Hobbsee> could be a bug in 3.4.3
[06:49] <Hobbsee> i'm using kde 3.5 beta, and it works fine here
[06:49] <pipegeek> ah
[06:49] <Hobbsee> ie opening once while clicked
[06:50] <pipegeek> I'm president of the LUG here, and I'm fiddling with ubuntu because I'd like to come up with a standard desktop-oriented distribution to use during installfests.  As such, I'd rather not rely on unstable...er...sid...er...what's it called in ubuntu-land?
[06:51] <Hobbsee> a beta?
[06:51] <pipegeek> :^)
[06:51] <pipegeek> Anyway, I must go
[06:51] <Hobbsee> ok
[06:51] <pipegeek> Thanks all
[06:51] <Hobbsee> 3.5 beta's very stable
[06:52] <Hobbsee> hi Kamping_Kaiser!
[06:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Hobbsee :)
[06:52] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: done my exam, i can sit here and not study now lol...till wed night for a thurs exam :P
[06:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[06:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> yo uhad an exam today?
[06:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> freeking runescap disconnected me :( i was on a roll as well
[06:54] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: yes, a few hours ago...
[06:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: no, after a few minutes ;)
[06:55] <chromate> hi all, anybody know how i use laptop mediakeys in kde?
[06:56] <Hobbsee> check that they're assigned to anything in kcontrol
[06:57] <Hobbsee> apart from that, not a clue sorry
[06:57] <chromate> i tried creating shortcuts for them but it seems the KDE control center doesn't allow you to use those special keys
[06:57] <Hobbsee> hoary or breezy?
[06:58] <chromate> hoary
[06:59] <regeya> chromate: first, go under Regional & Accessibility -> Keyboard Layout and make sure you've got the correct kbd layout...for me, it was just about that simple
[07:00] <chromate> regeya: yup, dvorak
[07:01] <regeya> and then...erm, I dont remember.  damn kcontrol
[07:01] <regeya> not just the layout; the model of keyboard, if it's in the list
[07:03] <regeya> see, one of the bad things is that I set those keys, this last time, through amaroK. :(
[07:03] <regeya> if the model of kbd is directly supported, in theory it should be as simple as selecting the proper model and layout.
[07:03] <regeya> ifnot...*shrug*
[07:04] <Hobbsee> check on ubuntuforums.org if that doesnt work, and you get really stuck
[07:05] <felly> in case anyone is wondering, having a gtk theme of smooth-<blah> caused several gtk-based apps to crash
[07:05] <felly> including evolution and eclipse and acrobat reader
[07:06] <felly> took me a while to figure it out!
[07:06] <felly> does anyone know how to set webcollage as the screensaver in kde?
[07:07] <Hobbsee> what's webcollage?
[07:07] <Hobbsee> ie, is it one that's appearing in xscreensaver, but not kscreensaver?
[07:07] <felly> its a screensaver that displays random pics from the web
[07:07] <Hobbsee> in the repositories?
[07:07] <felly> Hobbsee: yes i believe so, however i thought it did exist in kscreensaver in hoary
[07:08] <Hobbsee> felly: you've presumably got it now with all it's dependancies?
[07:09] <felly> Hobbsee: it's included in xscreensaver, but it seems to have been removed from the x screensaver hooks package for kde
[07:11] <todd_> once i go into x, my virtual terms are gone
[07:11] <todd_> i cant get to them
[07:11] <todd_> is this the default or something
[07:11] <Hobbsee> felly: you cant install the xscreensaver-kscreensaver package?
[07:12] <Hobbsee> todd_: using ctrl +alt +f1 to get to terminal, i presume?
[07:12] <todd_> Hobbsee, yes
[07:12] <Hobbsee> todd_: that's definetly not normal, but I think someone else mentioned it a couple of days ago
[07:14] <todd_> Hobbsee, prob me :)
[07:14] <Hobbsee> ah right...could have been, i dont remember
[07:15] <mururoa> Hi there. Where can I find informations about wich kernel choosing for AMD64 ? ( out of a list of 9 )
[07:31] <richard> i want to configure my creative webcam for kde 
[07:31] <richard> how do i do this
[07:36] <mmahmood> can someone help me  install codec for kaffeine
[07:37] <crutch> hello
[07:37] <mmahmood> hi
[07:37] <crutch> i'm a linux noob wish i could help u
[07:38] <mmahmood> no worries bro
[07:38] <Hobbsee> you want to install kaffine-xine?
[07:38] <Hobbsee> which codecs did you want?
[07:38] <crutch> i'm trying get my wusb11 to work
[07:38] <mmahmood> i'm running breazy ..fresh install..and can't run mpeg file
[07:38] <mmahmood> not sure what i need to do
[07:38] <crimsun> installed akode-mpeg?
[07:39] <mmahmood> can u help me how to do it ?
[07:39] <kwtm2> Same here --how to play mpegs?
[07:39] <crimsun> you might find kaffeine-xine more helpful
[07:39] <mmahmood> if u could help i can try :) please :)
[07:40] <crutch> i think i have my wusb11 configured as it shows networks when i scan but i still have no net acces
[07:40] <crimsun> I'm not familiar with the new KDE tools, but in a Konsole, you can type: sudo aptitude install kaffeine-xine
[07:40] <crimsun> you'll need to enable the universe repository first
[07:40] <crimsun> !repos
[07:40] <ubotu> from memory, sources is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[07:40] <mmahmood> ok it's done
[07:41] <mmahmood> now what do i do ?
[07:41] <kwtm2> Hmm... I'll have to look into that.  Is there a repository where we can get mplayer, which isn't part of the official supported packages?
[07:41] <crimsun> mplayer is in multiverse
[07:41] <crimsun> mmahmood: start Kaffeine
[07:41] <crutch> when i go to enable wlan0 interface it activates for maybe 3 seconds then deactivates
[07:41] <crutch> any ideas?
[07:42] <crutch> oh breezy 5.10 KDE
[07:42] <crimsun> perhaps your wireless access point requires WEP, WPA, or WPA2?
[07:42] <mmahmood> crimsun>> hmmm..kaffeine has changed but...there are no decoders to play this stream
[07:43] <crimsun> mmahmood: are you trying to play music or video+music?
[07:43] <crutch> there's no encryption
[07:43] <Hobbsee> mmahmood: why dont you use noatun or kaboodle?  they seem to be installed by default
[07:43] <crutch> open AP
[07:43] <Hobbsee> crimsun: an mpeg file
[07:43] <mmahmood> music video
[07:43] <kwtm2> Sorry, crimsun, just installed Breezy 2h ago after 2 yrs with Mandrake Linux.  What does "mplayer is in multiverse" mean?
[07:43] <Hobbsee> !multiverse
[07:43] <ubotu> ask me about !repositories
[07:43] <kwtm2> Where are the deb source files --how do I tell it to go to "multiverse", etc.?
[07:43] <crimsun> Hobbsee: (mp3s are mpeg-1 layer 3, so we have to be a bit more precise ;-)
 music vidoe
[07:43] <Hobbsee> ah ok
 how do i run those ..i don't see them in kde ?
[07:44] <Hobbsee> they're on your kmenu
[07:44] <kwtm2> ubotu seems to be an answerbot.  How do we trigger it --just say the word !repositories ?
[07:44] <ubotu> kwtm2: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[07:44] <Hobbsee> noatun is there, and kaboodle is under more applications
[07:45] <Hobbsee> yeah
[07:45] <crimsun> !tell kwtm2 about repos
[07:45] <Hobbsee> !repositories
[07:45] <ubotu> rumour has it, sources is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[07:45] <crutch> forgive my ignorance but is ifupdown have have anything to do with my wifi connection
[07:45] <crimsun> crutch: ifupdown is a simplified script for ifconfig $iface up [...] 
 nope don't see it
[07:46] <Hobbsee> what multimedia apps do you have there then?
[07:46] <crutch> could that script be turning wlan0 off as soon as i turn it on
[07:47] <crutch> it only activates for a couple seconds
[07:48] <mmahmood> amarok, k3b, kscd, kaudiocreater, kaffeine, kmix
[07:48] <kwtm2> Why isn't synaptic installed on my kUbuntu Breezy?
[07:48] <Hobbsee> kwtm2: adept also works
[07:48] <Hobbsee> synaptic wasnt default on kubuntu hoary either
[07:48] <crimsun> crutch: no
[07:48] <Hobbsee> kwtm2: you can install it by apt-get if you want to, or by adept
[07:49] <crimsun> I would think that Adept is preferred on KDE
 it was not installed i installed it just now
[07:49] <crimsun> Synaptic is a GNOME-centric one
[07:50] <kwtm2> Ah.  Okay, I'm trying to understand this file at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325.  Am I supposed to save it under some particular name like /etc/deb_sources or something?
[07:50] <crutch> thanks crimsun, i was just grasping at threads and may turn back to gnome as it worked no problem there
[07:50] <chavo> synaptic is nice though and with gtk-qt engine looks just like a KDE app
[07:50] <kwtm2> Maybe I'll use adept to install synaptic and use synaptic instead.
[07:50] <Hobbsee> kwtm2: kdesu kwrite etc/apt/sources.list
[07:51] <kwtm2> Partly because adept is newer and less supported, and most instructions use synaptic.
[07:51] <kwtm2> Hobbsee: thank you!  Now I wonder where in the instructions it mentions *anything* about "/etc/apt/sources.list" ... without that key piece of info, I'm dead in teh water. 
[07:52] <Hobbsee> overwrite what's there
[07:53] <Hobbsee> kwtm2: good point, not sure why that's not there
[07:53] <Hobbsee> !repositories
[07:53] <ubotu> I heard sources is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[07:53] <Hobbsee> ah ok, you were supopsed to go to the howto first, i think
[07:54] <Hobbsee> and you learn the /etc/apt/sources.list pretty quickly - ie how to get to it
[07:57] <aftertaf> hi all
[07:58] <Hobbsee> hi aftertaf :)
[07:58] <aftertaf> hi kde user :)
[07:58] <aliveuser> how much save is to upgrade to breezy using apt-get dist-upgrade???
[07:59] <Hobbsee> should be fairly safe, the release is out...
[07:59] <Hobbsee> safer still to install off a cd though
[07:59] <aftertaf> aliveuser:  it works really well, except for those unlucky soem where it doesnt' :)   but we're here to help
[07:59] <Logikal`> hi Hobbsee
[08:00] <Hobbsee> hi Logikal` 
[08:00] <Logikal`> what's up?
[08:00] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: lol
[08:00] <Logikal`> did you upgrade yet?
[08:00] <Hobbsee> not a lot, finished my first of the 6 final exams
[08:00] <Hobbsee> to breezy?  ages ago, a couple of days before the RC
[08:01] <Logikal`> well
[08:01] <Logikal`> the official release came out
[08:01] <Logikal`> do i need to upgrade?
[08:01] <Hobbsee> you dont have to
[08:01] <aftertaf> well done Hobbsee what u doing? studywise
[08:01] <Hobbsee> there are some nice things
[08:01] <Hobbsee> as in now, or next year?
[08:01] <Hobbsee> this year's the end of high school
[08:01] <aftertaf> Logikal`:  kde is nicer, some extras exist....
[08:01] <Hobbsee> next year i'm doing a bachelor of technology in optoelectronic
[08:01] <Hobbsee> s
[08:01] <aftertaf> Hobbsee:  highschool? as in QueryAge(Hobbsee)
[08:02] <Hobbsee> yeah, 17
[08:02] <Logikal`> kde is nicer in the full release?
[08:02] <Logikal`> how so?
[08:02] <Logikal`> Hobbsee you got pics of yourself
[08:02] <Hobbsee> no
[08:02] <Logikal`> why not?
[08:02] <Logikal`> lol
[08:02] <Hobbsee> well, none that i'd show anyway
[08:02] <Hobbsee> lol
[08:02] <Logikal`> haha
[08:02] <Logikal`> come on
[08:02] <Logikal`> ill show you mine!
[08:03] <aliveuser> i upgrade my kubuntu like that, but i'm having a little trouble with the grub
[08:03] <Hobbsee> go away
[08:03] <Logikal`> come on now :)
[08:03] <Hobbsee> what trouble with grub?
[08:03] <Logikal`> are you like 500lbs Hobbsee
[08:03] <aliveuser> well, when my system starts to load, it starts with a, lets say graphical mode
[08:03] <Logikal`> lol
[08:03] <aliveuser> but in the middle, it turn into a text mode
[08:03] <aftertaf> Hobbsee:  wow. 17 :) ... you're a geek girl too right?
[08:03] <Hobbsee> lol...no...i just dont generally show what i look like to people
[08:03] <Logikal`> here is my pics
[08:03] <aliveuser> but that's okey
[08:03] <Logikal`> www.myspace.com/logikal42
[08:03] <sekundek> hi
[08:03] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: well, i do run kubuntu and not windows, so i guess so lol
[08:03] <Logikal`> there is my pics..
[08:03] <sekundek> I need some help with mounting samba drive
[08:04] <sekundek> and permission
[08:04] <aliveuser> the thing is that when i shutdown it doesn't show anything about the unloading of services,
[08:04] <aliveuser> doesn't show the progress of anything
[08:04] <aliveuser> just a black screen
[08:04] <Hobbsee> aliveuser: this is in breezy?  i've noticed that, never figured out why
[08:04] <aftertaf> Hobbsee:  hehe :) girls on linux seem quite rare....   but good to see.... calms down the testosterone levels in here :)
[08:04] <Logikal`> Hobbsee you're too serious all the time
[08:04] <Logikal`> :)
[08:05] <aliveuser> yes in breezy
[08:05] <Logikal`> drink a beer or sumthing
[08:05] <Hobbsee> hit ctrl + alt + f7 if you really want to see it all shutting down
[08:05] <aliveuser> okey i take a note of it
[08:05] <aliveuser> tnks
[08:05] <sekundek> in mount it read/write but have problem changing files with chmod
[08:05] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: that's true...always seems so odd to hear about guys picking up girls because they run linux or something lol
[08:05] <sekundek> i need this because of subversion
[08:06] <Logikal`> Hobbsee dont you live in australia?
[08:06] <Hobbsee> Logikal`: that i do
[08:06] <sekundek> is it possible to mount some other way
[08:06] <Logikal`> you ever pet a roo?
[08:06] <aftertaf> Hobbsee:  yeah .... :)  like i'm gonna hit on you cos we've only got half the planet between us.....
[08:06] <Logikal`> record yourself talking
[08:06] <Logikal`> I wanna hear your austrailian accent
[08:06] <Logikal`> :)
[08:06] <Hobbsee> sure, my pet roo that i rode to school this morning, he likes attention
[08:06] <Logikal`> accents are hot
[08:06] <Hobbsee> that they are...the US ones are quite different to ours
[08:06] <Logikal`> heh
[08:07] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: dont be surprised, plenty of people try...
[08:07] <Logikal`> where i live, I have no accent :\
[08:07] <Hobbsee> Logikal`: you're where? the us?
[08:07] <Logikal`> yes
[08:07] <aftertaf> Logikal`:  getting away from the place asap, i understand that, but what you flee is alway within you.... ;)
[08:07] <Logikal`> PA tho
[08:07] <Logikal`> Pennsylvania
[08:07] <Hobbsee> you have an accent
[08:07] <Logikal`> only thing we dont say is "this needs to be"
[08:07] <Hobbsee> heard some people from there
[08:07] <Logikal`> we jsut say this needs done
[08:07] <Logikal`> no "to be"
[08:07] <Logikal`> I dont really think we do :\
[08:07] <Logikal`> maybe we do to you
[08:08] <Hobbsee> no, you do
[08:08] <Logikal`> record urself
[08:08] <Hobbsee> speak to someone in another country, and you'll soon find out
[08:08] <Logikal`> and ill record myself
[08:08] <Hobbsee> nah, no mic on here
[08:08] <Hobbsee> not sure where it is
[08:08] <Hobbsee> used to have one somewhere...everyone was always stunned with aussie accents
[08:08] <Logikal`> i heard austrailian girls like american guys
[08:08] <Logikal`> or something
[08:08] <Hobbsee> sometimes, they like australian guys too...
[08:08] <Logikal`> don't know how true that is
[08:09] <Logikal`> never really met an aussie girl
[08:09] <Hobbsee> well we do exist...
[08:09] <Logikal`> haha
[08:09] <Logikal`> yeah
[08:09] <Logikal`> didn't say you didnt :)
[08:09] <Hobbsee> :P
[08:09] <Logikal`> what do you guys do over there?
[08:09] <Logikal`> it's farmland right?
[08:09] <Kaiser_Away> thats enought runescape for one day
[08:10] <Kaiser_Away> Logikal`: yeh, im sending this message via burning crops
[08:10] <Hobbsee> maybe you should check this out
[08:10] <aftertaf> looool Kaiser_Away :)
[08:10] <Hobbsee> http://www.australiablog.com/guide/001381.shtml
[08:10] <Kaiser_Away> :) aftertaf
[08:10] <kwtm2> Anyone know how I enable the "multiverse" repositories in Breezy?  Is "multiverse" same as "universe"?
[08:10] <Hobbsee> !repos
[08:11] <ubotu> sources is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[08:11] <Hobbsee> that might answer some of your aussie questions :P
[08:11] <aftertaf> kwtm2:  not same buch of packages, but on same servers.
[08:11] <Kaiser_Away> Hobbsee: i dont see anything on that wiki page about australian chicks :|
[08:11] <Hobbsee> Kaiser_Away: true, but did you go and read it?
[08:12] <Kaiser_Away> Hobbsee: last time it was pasted ;)
[08:12] <Kaiser_Away> your link, im reading now ;P
[08:12] <Logikal`> dude
[08:12] <Logikal`> why is neve campbell so hot
[08:12] <Hobbsee> Kaiser_Away: it's excellent for giving to people who ask about australia, dont you think :P
[08:13] <Kaiser_Away> Hobbsee: perfect, but the problem is its all true :$
[08:13] <Logikal`> Hobbsee
[08:13] <Logikal`> you're terrible LOL
[08:13] <Logikal`> just becuase we dont know about where you live
[08:13] <aftertaf> No, we are a peaceful civilisation of vegan hunter gatherers. Milk is
[08:13] <aftertaf> illegal.
[08:13] <aftertaf> loool
[08:13] <Kaiser_Away> lmao
[08:14] <Hobbsee> ROFL i love that
[08:14] <aftertaf> can you speak english there? yeah, but youll need to learn it first :] 
[08:14] <aftertaf> lmao2
[08:14] <Hobbsee> Kaiser_Away: what do they teach the US people in geography...do you not learn to read a newspaper?
[08:14] <Logikal`> aussies speak english primarily right?
[08:14] <Hobbsee> yeah
[08:14] <Hobbsee> what else would we speak?
[08:14] <Kaiser_Away> Hobbsee: not sure what tehy teach them. but i at least i know theres more to america then arms factories :|
[08:15] <aftertaf> loool Kaiser_Away  :)
[08:15] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:15] <Kaiser_Away> Hobbsee: we could speak chinese ... the yellow hoard ;)
[08:15] <Hobbsee> ooh yeah...now that could be fun
[08:16] <Logikal`> Kaiser_Away, there is?
[08:16] <Logikal`> america
[08:16] <Logikal`> we have
[08:16] <Logikal`> bombs, gangs, and guns
[08:16] <Logikal`> and drugs
[08:16] <Kaiser_Away> and silicon vally :O
[08:17] <Kaiser_Away> but all that aside
[08:17] <Kaiser_Away> im going to eat lunch
[08:17] <Hobbsee> Kaiser_Away: lunch?
[08:17] <Kaiser_Away> just in timefor dinner ;)
[08:18] <Logikal`> oh yeah
[08:18] <Hobbsee> of course
[08:18] <Kaiser_Away> yeh, think of it as brunch Hobbsee
[08:18] <Logikal`> americans like sex
[08:18] <Logikal`> and drugs
[08:18] <Logikal`> wait did i say that already
[08:18] <Kaiser_Away> as i havent had breakfast either
[08:18] <Hobbsee> Kaiser_Away: lol...i'm surprised you're here then
[08:18] <Kaiser_Away> lol Hobbsee. you think i have better things to do? ;)
[08:18] <Kaiser_Essen> have fun kids. no making babies any of you
[08:19] <Hobbsee> that's true
[08:19] <Hobbsee> Kaiser_Essen: i dont think the latter will be any problem lol
[08:19] <mmahmood> I'm trying to run Noatun and it's giving error: connecting/starting aRts soundserver failed. make sre that artsd is configured properly
[08:20] <Logikal`> you got cable in australia
[08:20] <Hobbsee> Logikal`: of course
[08:21] <aftertaf> you got electricity too ?? ;)
[08:21] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: nah, we got rid of that...
[08:21] <Hobbsee> :P
[08:21] <aftertaf> :)
[08:21] <aftertaf> ok, brb coffee and cigarette time 
[08:25] <Hobbsee> mmahmood: try googling the error message
[08:26] <aftertaf> mmahmood:  try changing the outpug engine too.
[08:26] <aftertaf> output*
[08:26] <Hobbsee> ah, was that what the solution was, i'd forgotten
[08:26] <mmahmood> k thx
[08:49] <sekundek> hi
[08:50] <sekundek> I need some help about mounting samba share
[08:50] <sekundek> can anybody help 
[08:50] <sekundek> I have problem using chmod on this mount
[08:50] <strike4ce> How do i get my source list up from terminal?
[08:51] <Hobbsee> strike4ce: kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:52] <sekundek> ?
[08:53] <strike4ce> thanx
[08:53] <Hobbsee> strike4ce: no problems
[08:53] <strike4ce> Im trying to get my ati 9600 radeon card going
[08:53] <strike4ce> had a little problem
[08:54] <Hobbsee> but go for it
[08:54] <aftertaf> lol same here
[08:54] <Hobbsee> sekundek: we cant do anything unless you stick an error message in, or give more detail - "a problem" says close to nothing
[08:55] <sekundek> ok I create mount with samba dir
[08:55] <Hobbsee> sekundek: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html is something you  might want to read at some point
[08:55] <sekundek> i can access to this folder and create files etc
[08:55] <Hobbsee> yep
[08:55] <sekundek> but when i try to chmod 644 somefile
[08:55] <sekundek> i get permission error
[08:55] <strike4ce> I cant get adept to open I put a bad source in it and it crashed
[08:56] <sekundek> chmod: changing permissions of `test': Operation not permitted
[08:56] <Hobbsee> sekundek: preface chmod with kdesu?
[08:56] <Hobbsee> strike4ce: darn, what source did you put in?
[08:56] <sekundek> yeah I know that
[08:56] <strike4ce> just a sec
[08:56] <sekundek> but I use svn which do this by itself
[08:57] <sekundek> when doint update checkout etc.
[08:57] <strike4ce> Hobbsee: here ya go   wget http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/fglrx-4.3.0-3.7.6.i386.rpm
[08:58] <Hobbsee> strike4ce: um...why do i want it lol...i dont have an ati card?
[08:58] <sekundek> is there any way I can have smb share accessed in some folder but with right permission not root 
[08:58] <sekundek> ?
[08:58] <Hobbsee> oh, that's the source you put in
[08:58] <strike4ce> Hobbsee:  thats what i put in the source list and then it crashed
[08:58] <Hobbsee> strike4ce: no wonder...that's not supposed to go in a source list lol...you need to download that and use it with alien, then try
[08:59] <strike4ce> lol i got it to open now
[08:59] <strike4ce> removed it
[08:59] <Hobbsee> sekundek: as in, to be able to modify it with user permission?
[09:00] <strike4ce> Hobbsee: where do I get alien?
[09:00] <Hobbsee> smb:/ in konqueror, and going thru there should get you the shared computers
[09:00] <Hobbsee> !alien
[09:00] <ubotu> I heard alien is a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Can give problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/
[09:00] <Hobbsee> !info alien
[09:00] <ubotu> alien: (install non-native packages with dpkg), section admin, is optional. Version: 8.53 (breezy), Packaged size: 112 kB, Installed size: 288 kB
[09:01] <Hobbsee> sekundek: you wanting to share one of your own folders, or read/write to another computer drive?
[09:03] <sekundek> Hobbsee: no I have server in win domain
[09:03] <sekundek> and there I have access to my home
[09:03] <sekundek> on this server
[09:03] <sekundek> On my workstation I wan to use this home because I have web space there
[09:04] <sekundek> so I need to mount or something smb://server/myhome
[09:04] <Hobbsee> and does it work if you mount it that way?
[09:04] <Kaiser_Essen> when you chmod, use sudo, not [gk] sudo 
[09:06] <sekundek> I can mount it
[09:06] <sekundek> and copy delete etc.
[09:06] <sekundek> but chmod does not work
[09:06] <sekundek> but I need there because of subversion
[09:06] <sekundek> it change permission in .svn dirs
[09:07] <strike4ce> Can I use a linux x86 driver?
[09:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> strike4ce: in 2 lines or less, whats teh problem again?
[09:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> sekundek: and im not sure about your problem either (as i wasnt here)
[09:11] <sekundek> Kamping_Kaiser: I have samba share on some server and need to mount this on my workstation
[09:12] <sekundek> but I also need permission to do chmod in this mount
[09:12] <sekundek> because of subversion
[09:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> so you need permision to chmod the content of the share?
[09:13] <sekundek> yes
[09:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> i expect you will need share=user or similar, but im afraid im not an expert on samba by any means :(
[09:14] <strike4ce> Kamping_Kaiser: If i download a rpm file will it need to be converted?
[09:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> strike4ce: convirted or installed direct, but its recomended that you convirt tehm, so you can look at them in synaptic etc
[09:15] <strike4ce> So how do I convert them?
[09:16] <aftertaf> alien
[09:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> open a terminal --> alien 
[09:17] <aftertaf> #apt alien
[09:17] <strike4ce> Kamping_Kaiser: there is a script file can I paste that into my graphics card?
[09:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> i forget the exacty syntax to convirt
[09:17] <aftertaf> sudo apt-get install  alien
[09:18] <sekundek> Kamping_Kaiser: the problem is not with smb share but with mount
[09:18] <aftertaf> man alien ;) Kamping_Kaiser 
[09:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: :P why? i dont want to use it :D
[09:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> sekundek: oh, ok
[09:19] <aftertaf> lol :)
[09:19] <strike4ce> aftertaf: says alien is already the newest version?
[09:19] <aftertaf> strike4ce:  cool, its already there then ;)
[09:20] <strike4ce> aftertaf: what about the file thats script can I copy and paste and put it in place of my current graphics driver?
[09:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> strike4ce: im not sure about your question
[09:20] <aftertaf> me neither.... ;)
[09:21] <strike4ce> aftertaf: take a look its called ati driver installer  https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894
[09:21] <bengross> good evening everyone
[09:21] <sekundek> is there any way I can use cifs in kubuntu
[09:21] <aftertaf> strike4ce:  hmm. cant you use the restricted packages module for ubuntu?
[09:21] <aftertaf> morning bengross :)
[09:21] <sekundek> I found that with this it may be possible
[09:22] <strike4ce> where is that?
[09:22] <strike4ce> !restricted packages
[09:22] <ubotu> strike4ce: Bugger all, i dunno
[09:23] <strike4ce> aftertaf: where is the module?
[09:23] <aftertaf> linux-restricted-modules-k7|686
[09:24] <strike4ce> in terminal?
[09:24] <bengross> its 12;24 here in Arizona
[09:24] <bengross> anyone know about setting up wireless?
[09:27] <strike4ce> aftertaf: its there now what do i do?
[09:27] <bengross> how do i login as root?
[09:27] <aftertaf> strike4ce:  in synaptic, adept,  or via apt-get
[09:27] <aftertaf> bengross:  use sudo.....
[09:27] <aftertaf> !root
[09:27] <ubotu> it has been said that root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:28] <aftertaf> strike4ce:  sudo apt-get install  linux-restricted-modules-k[your architecture] 
[09:29] <strike4ce> aftertaf: architecture?  My card is ati radeon 9600 pro turbo
[09:29] <bengross> ok thanks
[09:29] <bengross> i am trying to install audacity
[09:29] <aftertaf> processor... amd, pentium?
[09:30] <bengross> anyone know any multitrack open source programs for audio editing?
[09:30] <strike4ce> intel pentium M
[09:30] <aftertaf> i686 then.
[09:30] <aftertaf> 686 even;)
[09:30] <aftertaf> strike4ce:  have you seen !ati ?
[09:30] <aftertaf> !ati
[09:30] <ubotu> [ati]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[09:31] <guinsel> !konsole
[09:31] <ubotu> guinsel: Do they come in packets of five?
[09:34] <firestorm> Hi. how can I disable the annoying beep for my terminals? I tried 'set nobeep' but that didn't seem to work
[09:35] <sekundek> I found solution in case someone needs it
[09:35] <strike4ce> aftertaf: will that work for breezy?
[09:35] <sekundek> All you have to do is -o user=myusername
[09:35] <aftertaf> nice one sekundek :)
[09:35] <aftertaf> can you put that in the wiki?
[09:35] <sekundek> then share is owned by that user and I can do whatever I want
[09:36] <aftertaf> !samba
[09:36] <ubotu> I heard samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[09:36] <sekundek> Yes I can
[09:36] <bengross> hey i died
[09:36] <bengross> im back
[09:36] <aftertaf> lol i died :)
[09:36] <sekundek> where I can write this
[09:36] <sekundek> ?
[09:36] <aftertaf> strike4ce:  i think so, but i dont have an ati
[09:36] <aftertaf> sekundek:  ^^^^ see ubotu's link
[09:37] <aftertaf> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[09:37] <aftertaf> or make a new page...
[09:37] <sekundek> ok I'll edit this one
[09:37] <sampan> firestorm, in konsole ... did you try settings --> beep --> none ?
[09:37] <aftertaf> hehe sekundek  good of you, man ;)
[09:38] <bengross> how do i install a lot of programs at once? is there a gui for installing software?j
[09:38] <firestorm> sampan: ahh thanks...actually s/beep/bell and it works a champ
[09:38] <sampan> oh lol :D my bad
[09:38] <aftertaf> bengross:  yes.    adept, or synaptic
[09:38] <bengross> is that in control center?
[09:39] <aftertaf> kde or gnome?
[09:39] <aftertaf> adept is in systemmenu on kde
[09:39] <aftertaf> normally.... ;)
[09:39] <bengross> kynaptic
[09:39] <aftertaf> if not, open a console and type sudo apt-get install  adept
[09:39] <aftertaf> kynaptic too, but it sux a bit (imho)
[09:40] <bengross> sometimes my sound loads on boot, sometimes it doesnt :(
[09:41] <bengross> is there an alsamixer?
[09:41] <bengross> sndconfig?
[09:42] <bengross> i did a search cannot find adept
[09:46] <sekundek> Hm, I create my account on lunchpad and can login, but in wiki ubuntu I can't
[09:55] <sekundek> can somebody help with login to ubuntu wiki
[10:21] <Tonio-> hi
[10:26] <puckman> Morning
[10:29] <_mindspin> Hi, i upgraded zo breezy and can't find neither kcontrol nor the new "system settings" entry which packages do I have to install? btw. I know that I can start kcontrol via terminal ;-) 
[10:32] <TokenBad> I used system settings
[10:32] <TokenBad> I think
[10:32] <TokenBad> if we talking about samething
[10:32] <_mindspin> and where did you find it ? by typing system settings in a terminal ??
[10:33] <TokenBad> no...its listed at the top of my kmenu
[10:33] <_mindspin> but not on mine :-(
[10:39] <cyne> how do i convert a file from dos linebreaks to unix linebreaks?
[10:40] <cyne> Kate just saves it again with dos line breaks
[10:41] <_mindspin> theres en entry in extras where you can set this
[10:41] <cyne> there must be a simple way to do it
[10:42] <_mindspin> its called zeilenende in german 
[10:42] <cyne> extras?
[10:42] <cyne> where?
[10:42] <_mindspin> and you can choose linux/windows/mac behaviour
[10:42] <_mindspin> open kate 
[10:42] <cyne> ok
[10:42] <_mindspin> click on extras
[10:42] <TokenBad> anyone know of the netstat.pl for xchat?
[10:43] <cyne> _mindspin: i tried that, and save as with Kate, but it still saves it again in DOS
[10:43] <cyne> format
[10:44] <egonw> hi all, I have a amarok/breezy problem: KDE has sound, but amarok does not? I already played with different engine, with no succes.... ideas?
[10:44] <_mindspin> cyne: seems like a bug then
[10:45] <_mindspin> have a try opening the file in vim
[10:45] <_mindspin> that helps sometimes.....
[10:45] <cyne> what is "utf8
[10:45] <cyne> what is "utf8" ?
[10:45] <cyne> is that DOS?
[10:46] <aseigo> it's a way to encode non-latin characters
[10:46] <aseigo> (a standard way, that is)
[10:46] <cyne> ok, like english text?
[10:46] <_mindspin> cyne: think so....
[10:46] <cyne> it has nothing to do with DOS/Unix ?
[10:47] <aseigo> no, as in "not english text"
[10:47] <_mindspin> cyne: you are sure you are in the right option field? 
[10:47] <aseigo> where "english" means "latin characters"
[10:47] <_mindspin> encoding is not the right place
[10:47] <aseigo> and i don't know what you mean by "to do with DOS/Unix"
[10:47] <aseigo> DOS and UNIX are operating systems (or families of them)
[10:47] <Tm_T> we need utf8 for , , , and other
[10:48] <aseigo> ah.. you want the line ending styles
[10:48] <cyne> aseigo: when i try and save my document it's asking wether i want to use utf8 to save it 
[10:48] <cyne> whether
[10:48] <aseigo> in a separate dialog or in the file save dialog?
[10:48] <cyne> in the file save
[10:48] <aseigo> yeah, you can just ignore that
[10:49] <cyne> ok...
[10:49] <cyne> must be a bug in kate
[10:49] <cyne> it opens a dos file and saves in dos as well
[10:50] <zax> how can i mount my usb drive it wont work
[10:51] <cyne> pico does the same thing
[10:52] <cyne> when i do write_out it says "save as: [ dos format ]  "
[10:52] <cyne> i can't select unix format
[10:52] <zax> how do i mount my drive i forgot the command
[10:52] <cyne> piece of crap!
[10:52] <cyne> is there not a quick utility to convert line breaks?
[10:52] <_mindspin> perl
[10:52] <cyne> zax: what drive?
[10:53] <zax> its a usb
[10:53] <zax> sda
[10:54] <cyne> mount /dev/sda1
[10:54] <cyne> sudo mount /dev/sda1
[10:55] <zax> it cant determine the filesystem type and none is specified
[10:55] <zax> ..er none was
[10:55] <zax> whats the command 2 specify its fat32
[10:57] <Pwn3r> try: sudo mount /dev/sda1 -t vfat
[10:58] <cyne> great, i get to go use windows now just so i can get something to convert line breaks to unix
[11:00] <zax> nope doesent work
[11:00] <zax> its close 
[11:00] <Pwn3r> close?
[11:01] <Pwn3r> could it be a ntfs partition?
[11:01] <zax> it is not
[11:01] <Pwn3r> try: sudo mount /dev/sda1 -t msdos
[11:01] <zax> when i try to tell it sda1 it dosent like it
[11:01] <Pwn3r> oh
[11:01] <zax> but if i just do sda i can get way less errors
[11:02] <Pwn3r> sudo mount /dev/sda -t vfat
[11:02] <Pwn3r> ?
[11:02] <aseigo> cyne: dude, are you trying to fix line breaks or worrying about encodings? they are 2 different things.
[11:02] <zax> i just get this crazy list of how to use the mount command
[11:04] <cyne> aseigo: i'm just trying to save my dos text file over to unix line breaks
[11:04] <Pwn3r> the package sysutils has a app called dos2unix that may do what you need
[11:04] <aseigo> cyne: if you're worred about line breaks, under Settings choose Configure Editor (in kwrite, anyways; in kate it's in the Configure Kate dialog itself) and go to the Open/Save tab
[11:04] <aseigo> cyne: the end of line preference is there
[11:04] <aseigo> cyne: there's a very easy way... assuming they are all in the same dir:
[11:05] <cyne> aseigo: yes it is, but when i go to save as, the file is written out in DOS again
[11:05] <aseigo> for i in *; do dos2unix -o $i; done;
[11:07] <cyne> thanks :)
[11:07] <cyne> i will try kwrite because kate is shafting me
[11:07] <cyne> pico also doesn't save in unix unless the file is already in unix
[11:07] <_mindspin> aseigo:aseigo: i upgraded zo breezy and can't find neither kcontrol nor the new "system settings" entry which packages do I have to install? btw. I know that I can start kcontrol via terminal ;-) 
[11:09] <aseigo> _mindspin: no idea. i haven't tried the new kubuntu yet
[11:09] <TokenBad> anyone know of the netstat.pl for xchat?
[11:09] <_mindspin> I'm just testing it
[11:09] <cyne> thanks for your help aseigo
[11:09] <_mindspin> but I#m not satisfied yet
[11:11] <zax> mabye something with something is mounted on usbfs
[11:11] <_mindspin> !usb
[11:11] <ubotu> _mindspin: Are you smoking crack?
[11:12] <_mindspin> never
[11:13] <_jeremy> hi folks... I've just installed breezy and am just having a but of trouble understanding which repositories (or what they are) that I need to add to get all the codecs I wan't... can anyone help please ? Thanks.
[11:15] <Pwn3r> zax: try this: sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda
[11:15] <Pwn3r> zax was mixed up before
[11:16] <zax> Could not mount device.
[11:16] <zax> The reported error was:
[11:16] <zax> mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified
[11:16] <zax> Please check that the disk is entered correctly.
[11:17] <zax> but i can go to right click and go to "safely remove" which is wierd
[11:17] <zax> btw the base url says file:///media/usb0
[11:18] <Pwn3r> when you type 'mount' does it mention any of those?
[11:18] <aftertaf> _jeremy:  read this.......
[11:18] <aftertaf> !repositories
[11:18] <ubotu> I heard sources is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[11:18] <aftertaf> !w32codecs
[11:18] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats deb to download: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[11:18] <zax> nope closest thing is something on usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[11:19] <Pwn3r> thats fine
[11:19] <_jeremy> ok thanks aftertaf
[11:19] <Pwn3r> i had problems wuth my usb media not showing up where it was supposed to as well
[11:20] <Pwn3r> i got so sick of it i upgraded to a beta kde because i heard it worked fine in there
[11:20] <zax> i get a icon on the desktop too for sda
[11:20] <_jeremy> ubotu is a very helpful bot... good job folks
[11:20] <ubotu> _jeremy: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[11:20] <_jeremy> ehhe
[11:20] <zax> and it mounted in ubuntu even though i uh... forgot how i mounted it
[11:21] <Pwn3r> what happens when you click the destop icon?
[11:21] <aftertaf> hehe
[11:21] <zax> i get the error i pasted above
[11:21] <zax> same error if i comand line it
[11:21] <Pwn3r> ah
[11:22] <Pwn3r> but it works in windows?
[11:22] <zax> yup and ubuntu
[11:22] <zax> its fat32
[11:24] <Pwn3r> i would mount it in ubuntu then type 'mount' to see how its mounted
[11:24] <Pwn3r> what fs and where its mounted etc
[11:24] <toom> I cannot read all video files sine I installed breezy... Help me...
[11:24] <zax> ill see i gota do some more research
[11:28] <Pwn3r> how can i change a partitions label?
[11:29] <Pwn3r> one of my usb partitions are called '/' and it messes up auto mounting 
[11:29] <aftertaf> usb partition called /?   as in Root ? :/
[11:30] <Pwn3r> yea 
[11:31] <Pwn3r> ah never mind
[11:31] <Pwn3r> it was empty so i just deleted it
[11:32] <aftertaf> lol
[11:32] <Pwn3r> now its back with the same name
[11:32] <Pwn3r> :P
[11:33] <aftertaf> microwave your usb key, it might not be cokked enough :)
[11:33] <Pwn3r> hehe
[11:34] <aftertaf> *cooked
[11:34] <aftertaf> or *coked
[11:34] <aftertaf> :)
[11:34] <paines> hi
[11:34] <Pwn3r> its a usb 60GB hard drive with multiple partitions
[11:34] <aftertaf> oki.
[11:34] <Pwn3r> its all good tho
[11:34] <Pwn3r> hi paines 
[11:35] <gath> morning
[11:35] <Pwn3r> good morning
[11:36] <gath> morning
[11:37] <gath> i use the new breezy
[11:37] <gath> i have problems with the cd
[11:38] <gath> always on start i get a cr-rom icon on desktop 
[11:38] <gath> and cdrom is on hdc, why this ?
[11:52] <Kaiser_Runes> gath: is the cd in the drive?
[11:52] <gath> no
[11:52] <gath> and if i put a cd into the drive, nothing happend
[11:53] <Hobbsee> is your cd drive recognising any cds?
[11:55] <Kaiser_Runes> hi Hobbsee :) strait into it :)
[11:55] <Hobbsee> hello Kaiser_Runes...i wandered back
[11:55] <Hobbsee> of course
[11:55] <Kaiser_Runes> gath: if you type "mount" in konsole, does it show the cd mounted
[11:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> ?
[11:56] <gath> moment
[11:58] <gath> Kamping_Kaiser: there is noch cd
[11:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> can you put the output of 'mount' in #flood or pastebin for us? 
[11:59] <gath> jepp
[11:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> if its a kde level stuffup i cant help a lot, but if its lower then that i might be able to
[11:59] <gath> Kamping_Kaiser: on flood
[12:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> i watched :)
[12:01] <gath> Kamping_Kaiser: ok
[12:01] <Hobbsee> i didnt lol
[12:01] <gath> and what do you say?
[12:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> your right, its not there :| can you delte the icon from your desktop?
[12:02] <gath> Kamping_Kaiser: no i can`t
[12:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh :( what a strange problem
[12:03] <gath> and if i put some cd inside, i can`t start the cd
[12:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> can you manualy mount it?
[12:04] <gath> i try
[12:04] <gath> Kamping_Kaiser: the computer hngs
[12:04] <Hobbsee> tried ctrl + alt + backspace, logging in again, then trying again?
[12:05] <Hobbsee> gath: is it still hanging, or can you get rid of the program?
[12:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> gath: so you typed 'sudo mount /dev/cdrom' and the computer hung?
[12:05] <gath> yes as sudo
[12:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> does it try and read the cdrom?
[12:06] <gath> yes, thats the point
[12:07] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: at least that means that the drive is working..or should be
[12:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> so it does try to read the cdrom? and it hangs
[12:07] <gath> yeah
[12:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: yeh, thats what it sounds like :O perhaps a manual mount
[12:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> gath: has it 'unhung'?
[12:07] <Hobbsee> i'd try restarting x, then trying, that sometimes seems to fix it
[12:07] <gath> what mean unhung?
[12:07] <Hobbsee> as in, not hanging
[12:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> stopped hanging
[12:08] <gath> nozthing happend
[12:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> try 'sudo mkdir /mnt/cdrom && sudo mount /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom' (you can copy that direct, minus the 's)
[12:09] <Hobbsee> 3 hard drives hey, fun
[12:10] <gath> i did this
[12:10] <gath> but nothing works
[12:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> gath: what does 'nothing works' mean?
[12:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: not necesarily
[12:11] <gath> i try the other drive
[12:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> could be 1 hdd+cdrom
[12:11] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: true, hadnt thought of that
[12:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: hdc just means the drive is secondary master
[12:11] <gath> and why is the cdrom in medias and has a hdc?
[12:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> gath: hdc is  where the kernel looks.  it gets mounted into /media/cdrom for users to use
[12:12] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: *thinks*...good point, i thought hdb counted the secondary drive, but i guess there's a primary slave too
[12:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep. hda=prim master, hdb, prim slave. doesnt matter if ones not there, thats still what its called
[12:13] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: right.  as you might have guessed, i only have one hard drive
[12:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: do you have a cdrom?
[12:14] <gath> ok, the other drive doesn`t work too
[12:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> gath: do you have 2 cdroms? and niether work?
[12:14] <gath> maybe something wrong in the fstab?
[12:14] <gath> yes
[12:14] <gath> i paste my fstab in flood
[12:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok
[12:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> have you changed your hardware around at all?
[12:16] <gath> ups, there is no cd in the fstab
[12:16] <gath> why not ?
[12:16] <gath> oh sorry i see
[12:16] <gath> it is there
[12:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> gath: can you past 'ls -lAh /media/' to flood as well?
[12:16] <kane> ok, so, does kuser work for anyone in here ?
[12:16] <gath> yes
[12:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> kane: i havent tried it
[12:17] <kane> has anyone tried to create a new user ? :)
[12:18] <gath> Kamping_Kaiser: yes i past it
[12:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> gath: so you have a cd in both drives, and there is nothing when you 'ls /media/cdrom/'?
[12:20] <gath> yes , a cd in both drives, and nothing with ls /media/cdrom/
[12:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> right... this is bizare. i cant think of anything that could have caused this :| or an easy fix :|
[12:22] <gath> Kamping_Kaiser: i thing it is after the breezy ugrade yesterday
[12:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> ahh.... did you upgrade to breezy stable? and you dist-upgraded?
[12:22] <gath> yes
[12:22] <gath> yesterday
[12:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you run top, is hal/fam/similar burning all your cpu cycles?
[12:26] <gath> what?
[12:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> gath: can you run 'top' in konsole?
[12:26] <gath> yes
[12:26] <satempler> so when it the hal thing going to be solved
[12:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> is there anything using 100% cpu ?
[12:27] <gath> no
[12:27] <gath> 1,3 %
[12:27] <mrmarcel> g
[12:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. thats good i suppose
[12:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> satempler: when tehy can
[12:28] <gath> ok, i restart the computer
[12:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok
[12:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> good luck
[12:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> make sure the cds are out when you do
[12:28] <satempler> Kamping_Kaiser: IMHO they shouldn't have released it like it is
[12:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> imho your correct, from what i hear kde 3.5 was put in 2 days before release
[12:29] <satempler> Kamping_Kaiser: jesus
[12:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> and lots of ppl are not happy about it, but it happened
[12:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> hopefully we all learned a lesson :|
[12:29] <satempler> ya well that is at the top of my gripe list though there are others
[12:30] <paines> there are kde 3.5 packages ?
[12:30] <aftertaf> they stuck beta 3.5 in breezy like that?
[12:30] <satempler> i like to use kaffeine but the damn thing can't play any video files from apple
[12:30] <aftertaf> :O
[12:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> ist that what they stuck in?
[12:31] <satempler> no 
[12:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> satempler: probably codecs? :|
[12:31] <satempler> Kaming_Kaiser I have all of them
[12:31] <satempler> Kaming_Kaiser added to that i also have the w32codecs
[12:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> satempler: well the w32s are only doze, no apple stuff. not sure where to look for apple kit.
[12:32] <satempler> Kamping_Kaiser: as well as i use kaffeine-xine and gstreamer did a gst-register and still didn't work
[12:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont have any of it on this lappy. i got mplayer+codec  tar from mplayerhq.hu == every codec i need :)
[12:33] <satempler> Kamping_Kaiser: no they have the windows apple stuff
[12:33] <satempler> Kamping_Kaiser: maybe I should try that
[12:34] <satempler> Kamping_Kaiser: what is the web site
[12:35] <satempler> Timeout on server
[12:35] <satempler>  Connection was to www.mplayerhq.hu at port 80
[12:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> um. punch 'mplayer' into <search engine> and you should get there first hit
[12:35] <satempler> what is that
[12:35] <satempler> why isn't it working
[12:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> i might have the wrong url, but i dont have a browser to loook it up
[12:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> !mplayer
[12:35] <ubotu> methinks mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto.  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[12:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. not what i was after, but oh well
[12:36] <yo2lux> hi
[12:36] <satempler> I just want the codecs
[12:36] <satempler> hmm
[12:36] <satempler> I think I have an idea
[12:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> satempler: mplayer codecs only work with mplayer afaik, but i could be wrong
[12:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi yo2lux
[12:37] <yo2lux> i have a question. Exist a way to use kubuntu on 800x600 display? I don't see my KDE windows good, all windows are big. Anyone help me a bit? my monitor not support bigger display than 800x600
[12:38] <aftertaf> yo2lux:  reduce font size etc... or you can have a virtual 1024x768 screen where you scroll around with mouse pointer
[12:38] <satempler> Kamping_Kaiser: I am trying somthing a bit radical
[12:38] <satempler> one sec
[12:38] <aftertaf> yo2lux:  you can reduce a lot of things in size, panels, icons etc
[12:43] <gath> re
[12:45] <gath> Kamping_Kaiser: back
[12:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb gath
[12:46] <gath> the one drive works now
[12:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> which one? hdc or hdd?
[12:47] <gath> Kamping_Kaiser: i changed the sek master with the sek slave
[12:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> and you still have the icon on the desktop?
[12:48] <gath> no
[12:48] <gath> no icon
[12:49] <gath> and if i put some cd in the hdc drive a window open with its content
[12:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats good
[12:49] <gath> but the other drive doesn?t work
[12:50] <murr> how can i use scandinavians in Konversation IRC client? they don't work at the moment...
[12:50] <paines> J# kubuntu-de
[12:50] <paines> ups
[12:51] <moshe> I edited xorg.conf so that my highest resolution would be 1152x864 but kde and gnome and the rest behave like it's 1280x1024 and the screen isn't big enough -- bringing the mouse to the edge of the screen causes the entire screen to scroll!
[12:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> gath: oh, so only one drive still. both have power? did you check one is set to slave and one set to master?
[12:52] <gath> Kamping_Kaiser: it can`t merge the drive hdd
[12:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> moshe: its set a virtual desktop
[12:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> gath: no, but it can ignore one
[12:52] <moshe> what do you mean?
[12:52] <gath> hdc is now master and hdd slave
[12:53] <moshe> usually, i just cap the max resolution and everything falls in line.  This is the first time I've encountered this
[12:53] <gath> so, i change now the cable
[12:53] <_jeremy> ok... Ive installed breezy... now I have problems... getting this error (or ones like it) from apt "http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] "... and I can no longer play various media types despite attempting to install w32codecs and libdvdcss... can someone please help
[12:53] <moshe> there are no breezy backports yet
[12:53] <_jeremy> ok
[12:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> gath: hdc is always master. no mater which drive is where
[12:53] <_jeremy> what about codecs ?
[12:54] <moshe> dunno
[12:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> multiverse
[12:54] <paines> _jeremy, install libmad0 for mp3
[12:54] <moshe> I'm not experiencing that problem.
[12:54] <_jeremy> I can't play wmv or dvd
[12:54] <gath> Kamping_Kaiser: yes, but maybe the cable is defect
[12:54] <moshe> could be your symlinks are screwed up for dvd
[12:55] <moshe> Kamping_Kaiser, do you have any idea how I can fix this?
[12:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> gath: could be. if you pull hte device closer to the motherboard out of the cable does the last one show?
[12:55] <_jeremy> my symlinks ?
[12:56] <_jeremy> man I just want it to work...
[12:56] <gath> Kamping_Kaiser: i can`t understand what you mean
[12:56] <moshe> it could be that your dvd playing program is looking for /dev/dvd and it's not pointing to the correct device
[12:56] <gath> Kamping_Kaiser: are you german?
[12:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> gath: you have 2 cdrom drives on teh ide cable
[12:56] <aftertaf> looool
[12:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> gath: i dont speak it well enough to help in it
[12:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb aftertaf
[12:56] <gath> Kamping_Kaiser: yes 2 drives
[12:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you pull one off, is the otherone there still?
[12:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> do they both show in bios? 
[12:57] <gath> yes both in the bios
[12:57] <aftertaf> hehe
[12:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> gath: if they both show in bios then its software issues, and i dont think i can help you with them anymore :( im pretty much out of ideas
[12:58] <gath> so ok, but thank you
[12:59] <moshe> sigh
[12:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry  gath :(
[12:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> moshe: ask aftertaf
[12:59] <aftertaf> loool
[12:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> hes the guru :P
[12:59] <gath> Kamping_Kaiser: i think you`re right, its a software problem, `cause it runs under Win and under Kanotix  
[12:59] <moshe> ?
[12:59] <moshe> aftertaf, you know about my problem?
[01:00] <aftertaf> moshe:  just scrolled to see...
[01:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> gath: im not a kde person, so i dont know what could cause it, even though it sounds like its a lower level issue then kde
[01:00] <moshe> it's happening in more than kde
[01:00] <moshe> it's happening in every X login I have
[01:00] <moshe> gnome, xfce, blackbox, windowmaker
[01:00] <aftertaf> moshe:  poaste your xorg.conf to a pastebin and ask in #ubuntu.  we're just here to try and look cool, and when we don't know we bounce to each other, like KK just did
[01:01] <aftertaf> :P Kamping_Kaiser :)
[01:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: :D so you picked it :P
[01:02] <aftertaf> hehe
[01:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> moshe will not be happy ;)
[01:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: you got jabber account?
[01:04] <aftertaf> yep.... :)
[01:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool :)
[01:06] <aftertaf> hehe :)
[01:10] <aftertaf> :)
[01:10] <aftertaf> evildom
[01:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:14] <verden01> hey can anyone tell me if theres much difference between hoary and breezy?
[01:14] <aftertaf> much difference
[01:14] <aftertaf> bluetooth support, newer WM versions.....
[01:15] <aftertaf> etc...
[01:15] <verden01> can we get java and flash out of the box yet
[01:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, never
[01:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> java is in mulitverse (about 22m)
[01:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure about flash
[01:15] <Tm_T> mulletverse
[01:16] <verden01> can i install java in x64 version?
[01:16] <aftertaf> lool
[01:16] <aftertaf> go flash go
[01:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol hi Tm_T
[01:16] <aftertaf> :D
[01:16] <aftertaf> mulletverse LMAO
[01:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> verden01: yes, but its not easy afaik
[01:16] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: terve
[01:20] <azertyuuu> hi all, how can i change the resolution in kubuntu , i downloaded the nvidiadrivers with Adept, but still can't go higher than 1024*786
[01:20] <asraniel> hi, i have a AMD 2400+, should i install the 686 kernel or the k7?
[01:21] <aftertaf> if both card and monitor can handle it, azertyuuu run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and   choose the resolutions you want available.
[01:21] <aftertaf> amd=k7     686 = intel
[01:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> asraniel: k7
[01:21] <aftertaf> asraniel:  k? :)
[01:21] <aftertaf> 7*
[01:21] <asraniel> thanks
[01:21] <azertyuuu> aftertaf, i can do it in windows
[01:22] <aftertaf> azertyuuu:  well done to you then. ;)     run the dpkg command
[01:22] <aftertaf> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:23] <azertyuuu> bus identifier ??
[01:23] <aftertaf> leave blank
[01:23] <azertyuuu> where can i find it
[01:23] <aftertaf> it will autofind
[01:24] <azertyuuu> use the framebuffer-interface, yes or not ?
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> doesnt matter
[01:26] <aftertaf> azertyuuu:  leave all as default, till you get to resolution. then choose 24bit and 1200xsth 
[01:26] <azertyuuu> ok
[01:26] <aftertaf> i'm off for a !cigarette
[01:26] <aftertaf> !cigarette
[01:26] <ubotu> It's bad to smoke, but aftertaf needs one all the same...  Here dude, have a light :)
[01:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> i always use 16 bit :P
[01:26] <azertyuuu> thanks
[01:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. aftertaf, you love doing that
[01:26] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser:  treue, no need for 24 bit (cough)
[01:26] <aftertaf> hehe
[01:26] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser:  and i cranked gaim up yjust for you :)
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> you on jabber aftertaf? 
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> actualy, talk after ;)
[01:28] <aftertaf> googletalk & icq & m$EVILn
[01:28] <NeedHelp> Hi, a firend has talked me about superkaramba, i have kubuntu 5.10 an he sayed me thath is included in the installation, where is it?
[01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> icq isnt that bad, its just not good
[01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> NeedHelp: try searching the repos
[01:29] <aftertaf> lol true
[01:29] <NeedHelp> :Kamping_kaiser where is the repos?
[01:29] <aftertaf> stillnot gone for that fag, :/
[01:29] <NeedHelp> :kamping_kaiser and what's it? XD
[01:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> kaiser@MillenniumFalcon:~$ apt-cache show superkaramba |grep File
[01:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> Filename: pool/universe/s/superkaramba/superkaramba_0.36-1ubuntu2_i386.de
[01:30] <aftertaf> NeedHelp:  adept
[01:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> NeedHelp: its in universe
[01:30] <aftertaf> NeedHelp:  its eyecandy and 50 different processor temperature applets
[01:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:30] <NeedHelp> ehm..
[01:30] <NeedHelp> so what must i do? lol XD
[01:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> NeedHelp: you need to change your sources list to enable universe
[01:31] <NeedHelp> I DID
[01:31] <NeedHelp> and then?
[01:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-get update , then apt-get install
[01:33] <NeedHelp> i'll do
[01:34] <NeedHelp> :Kamping_Kaiser a friend has given me him sources.list, where can i overwrite it?
[01:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> the sources list is in /etc/apt/
[01:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> in there is the file called sources.list
[01:37] <maaad> hi! i can mount the others ntfs partitions at kubuntu?
[01:37] <NeedHelp> Hey kamping
[01:37] <NeedHelp> He says me i don't have the permission
[01:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> maaad: read only
[01:37] <NeedHelp> howto?
[01:38] <maaad> mandriva mounts all 
[01:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> NeedHelp: so this "sudo cp ~/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list" asuming you have your mates soruces list in your home dir
[01:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> !ntfs
[01:38] <ubotu> methinks ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[01:38] <NeedHelp> thx
[01:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> and yes, i know mandriva mounts tehm by default
[01:39] <maaad> thanks ubotu 
[01:39] <Hobbsee> hello again Kamping_Kaiser :)
[01:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Hobbsee :)
[01:39] <Hobbsee> :) went and had dinner
[01:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> went out? or just went?
[01:40] <Hobbsee> saw that people had already been making good use of their study time, and have been burning their study notes/booklets
[01:40] <Hobbsee> just went
[01:40] <Hobbsee> http://community.boredofstudies.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11132
[01:40] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:40] <Hobbsee> might take a while to load, there are plenty of people there
[01:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> i wont click that, because i dont want to open a browser if i can avoid it :|
[01:42] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: bah..how borign!
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. thats classic
[01:43] <Hobbsee> hehe yeah, i thought so!
[01:43] <Hobbsee> did you get to see the image then?  presumably not
[01:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> i did, it opened with image magic
[01:44] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:45] <maaad> ok, its done
[01:45] <maaad> thanks ubotu 
[01:45] <Hobbsee> that booklet deserves to be burned...along with the syllabus
[01:45] <Hobbsee> !ubotu
[01:45] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on this channel! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my databanks on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: have you been to newzealand?
[01:50] <paelscrit> anyone have problems wit the system settings window on 5.10?
[01:50] <Riddell> paelscrit: what's the problem?
[01:50] <paelscrit> like it wont expand all the way
[01:51] <paelscrit> if you hit the expand on the tite bar you can see the icons for the system setting underneath
[01:51] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: nope, that'd be fun though
[01:51] <paelscrit> and buttons are cut off
[01:51] <gath> re
[01:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: linuxconf au 2k6 is in duneden
[01:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> im going :D:D:D
[01:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbs. 
[01:51] <Hobbsee> ooh fun!k
[01:51] <paelscrit> i reinstalled and the problem persists, its the only problem i notice
[01:51] <gath> Kamping_Kaiser: now my both drives works
[01:52] <NeedHelp> hey, How to use the software KARAMBA?
[01:53] <NeedHelp> *superkaramba sorry
[02:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> back
[02:06] <jeroenvrp> I have an old KDE problem coming back
[02:07] <inc|freaky> hi all, i got a problem: http://www.freakyy.de/docs/apt-get.txt can any1 help me?
[02:07] <jeroenvrp> please see: http://kubuntuforums.net/index.php?topic=760.0
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> inc|freaky: have you run apt-get -f install?
[02:10] <inc|freaky> Kamping_Kaiser: yes
[02:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> inc|freaky: do you have universe enabled?
[02:11] <inc|freaky> yes
[02:11] <inc|freaky> i have kde3.5beta1 
[02:11] <inc|freaky> in my sources.list
[02:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> the mirror might not be complete
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[02:20] <particles> there were more earthquakes
[02:20] <particles> in turkey
[02:20] <Phantom^^> hey is there anyone else here having problems with breezy and usb devices like cameras and mobile phones ?
[02:21] <dorkiaa> When I put my mouse over an element in Kmenu, the element goes blank
[02:22] <dorkiaa> for example, instead of "System", i get "             "
[02:22] <Phantom^^> is hoary i was able to plug my phone in via usb and it saw it straight away but now i get an error message
[02:22] <dorkiaa> I have GeForce 6200
[02:26] <jeroenvrp> solved
[02:31] <jeroenvrp> next problem
[02:32] <yee> how to lunch openQ?
[02:32] <jeroenvrp> how to activate katapult
[02:32] <jeroenvrp> ?
[02:32] <jeroenvrp> I can run it, but no alt+space
[02:32] <jeroenvrp> no systray-icon
[02:32] <yee> yes
[02:33] <yee> i can't find it
[02:33] <yee> but i'm sure i have installed it
[02:34] <yee> is any one here?
[02:36] <chimaera> hi..
[02:37] <chimaera> regarding the gpg-issues, is this due to missing backend support in libgpgme?
[02:37] <aftertaf> yes yee :)
[02:37] <aftertaf> hi chimaera 
[02:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb aftertaf
[02:38] <chimaera> aftertaf: is the yes related to my question?
[02:38] <yee> may i ask you a question about openq?
[02:38] <chimaera> ah, sorry..
[02:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> yee what is it?
[02:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> chimaera: im not sure. i think Riddell has a better idea
[02:41] <Riddell> chimaera: it's a missing build-dep
[02:41] <chimaera> Riddell: i see. any workarounds so far? otherwise i might try the sid package..
[02:42] <Riddell> I have a fix, it's waiting on review before being uploaded, should be in by the end of the day with any luck
[02:42] <chimaera> on a sidenote, what happened to the konqi-profiles in kd3.4.3?
[02:42] <chimaera> Riddell: great to hear. 
[02:42] <Riddell> I changed it to a simpler profile, see FAQ for how to reverse
[02:43] <ubuntu> hi 
[02:43] <DexterF> hi
[02:43] <chimaera> heh, i see. coming from debian, i'm not use d to distro-specific mods to my DE ;)
[02:44] <BitNik> german ? 
[02:44] <chimaera> Riddell: ok, since you seem to be somewhat involved, any updates on the hal issue, too?
[02:44] <DexterF> fonts.conf question: i'D like to enable bitmap fonts. now in /etc/fonts/conf.d there are some files and a symlink
[02:44] <DexterF> I guess relinking is not the way to do it?
[02:44] <chimaera> BitNik: that too, but i was refering to Desktop Environment
[02:46] <aftertaf> what's fixed by later today?
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> gpg
[02:46] <aftertaf> oki ;)
[02:47] <Riddell> chimaera: yes, also pending review for upload
[02:49] <chimaera> Riddell: the kudos kubuntu faq (profiles)? 
[02:53] <Riddell> kubuntu.org/faq.php
[02:53] <Riddell> chimaera: ^^
[02:54] <chimaera> Riddell: ah, thanks. i just followed the link in the topic of this channel..
[03:05] <freemanen> How do get rdp to work on kubuntu linux?
[03:06] <aftertaf> sudo apt-get install  rdesktop
[03:06] <aftertaf> and man rdesktop
[03:07] <aftertaf> gives you config help, very clear
[03:07] <Chameleon22> howdy all 
[03:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey mate :)
[03:08] <freemanen> thanks
[03:08] <Chameleon22> i am trying to mount a usb key, works fine ... visible from console (/media/sdb) but  i also get an error "The file or folder media:/sdb does not exist." when konqueror trys to open the directory. Any idea how I would change the path to media:/sdb to point to correct directory ?
[03:08] <freemanen> what is the diffrent beetween krdc and rdesktop?
[03:11] <ep> I can't play music CD's.   I don't know if the audio cable from the CD is directly connected to the sound card or not.  How do you test this?
[03:12] <ep> At any rate, I can play CD's in Windows so I know its possible :)
[03:12] <yo2lux> anyone use kubuntu on 800x600 ?
[03:13] <DexterF> do I lack voice, is my question too far out or too simple to be worthy answering?
[03:14] <Chameleon22> DexterF, what was the question?
[03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> DexterF: just reading up, i can only imagine trying dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or fonts
[03:14] <Pixels-> has anyone else had ubuntu/kubuntu recognize the harddrive size wrong?
[03:14] <ep> Sound is working.  Any tips to get KsCD to play music CDs?
[03:14] <Chameleon22> Pixels-, not me
[03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> Chameleon22: sorry, got no idea about your problem. checked perms?
[03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> Pixels-: "wrong"?
[03:14] <Chameleon22> Kamping_Kaiser, ye all looks good
[03:15] <Pixels-> my harddrive is 25 gigs
[03:15] <Pixels-> it says 30 in the installer
[03:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0 bad
[03:15] <Chameleon22> Pixels-, what does it say on the hdd itself ? is hdd formated? 
[03:15] <Pixels-> so the partition size gets screwed and non of the partitions boot afterwards
[03:15] <Pixels-> Chameleon22: it works fine in other deb* distro's
[03:15] <Chameleon22> Pixels-, *shrugs
[03:16] <Pixels-> mepis/debian/knoppix
[03:16] <Pixels-> i goggled the problem, didnt find any info
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> Pixels-: sounds like an installer bug
[03:16] <Pixels-> even checked ubuntu/kubuntu forums/wiki's
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> can you report it to the devs?
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> #ubuntu-bugs
[03:16] <Pixels-> yeah, ill bug it
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> and or bugzilla
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks  :)
[03:16] <Pixels-> yeah, ill use bugzilla
[03:16] <Pixels-> it just seems like I get one problem after another
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> :( bugger
[03:17] <freemanen> is it possible to connect to your own linux computer with rdp?
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> should be
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> freemanen: it should just be a server and a client. just like X
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> afaik
[03:19] <aftertaf> freemanen:  rdp = remote desktop protocol == terminal server
[03:20] <aftertaf> so i dont think it will work, not same protocol
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: any time you have a server+client, you can do it on the same box. 
[03:21] <aftertaf> is there a rdp server for linux?
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> *shrug*
[03:21] <Pixels-> gah im in windows right now
[03:21] <aftertaf> hehe
[03:21] <aftertaf> !cigarette
[03:21] <ubotu> It's bad to smoke, but aftertaf needs one all the same...  Here dude, have a light :)
[03:21] <Pixels-> i feel like im cheating on linux
[03:21] <Pixels-> like we are married
[03:21] <aftertaf> lol Pixels- 
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:22] <Pixels-> and im going out with her second cousin or something
[03:22] <Pixels-> and not even a pretty second cousin
[03:22] <Pixels-> the second cousin the rest of the family avoids, due to inbreeding
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:22] <Pixels-> windows is the daughter of two first cousins.
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont think its a second cousin, they arnt that close, its your sons ex or something ;)
[03:23] <Pixels-> lol
[03:23] <Pixels-> mom's cousins daughters third ex-husbands uncles neice ?
[03:24] <freemanen> what is the best way to connect to a linux computer
[03:24] <Pixels-> freemanen: in linux or windows?
[03:24] <Pixels-> in windows, using a telnet client with ssh
[03:24] <Pixels-> if you are using linux to connect to another linux client, just use the shell
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> 'connect'?
[03:24] <Pixels-> and make sure you can utilize the ssh protocol
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> ie ssh. (server needs installing)
[03:25] <Pixels-> im like a linux guru
[03:25] <Pixels-> that cant get linux to run.
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> how long have you been using linux?
[03:25] <Pixels-> well, I can get it to run, but im tired of doing a deb net install.
[03:25] <Pixels-> a little over a month.
[03:25] <Pixels-> :)
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> i love net installs :)
[03:26] <Pixels-> yeah, i run debian sid.
[03:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have a proxy, so that may help me ;D
[03:26] <Pixels-> only way to get a nice clean sid install
[03:26] <Pixels-> as dist-upgrades are horrible.
[03:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> i run ubuntu unstable (whatever it is at the time)
[03:26] <Pixels-> unstable is my motto.
[03:26] <Pixels-> its how I live my life.
[03:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. yeh, its how i run my OS's
[03:26] <Pixels-> i fixed one problem, then now my mouse doesnt work in 2.6 kernels
[03:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> i moved from windows to ubuntu unstable ;)
[03:26] <freemanen> I have a computer without a screen and want to connect to it
[03:27] <Pixels-> i know the reason, just hard to get it fixed during an install.
[03:27] <freemanen> it has kubuntu
[03:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> freemanen: ssh
[03:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> you need to install it though
[03:27] <Pixels-> as you need to modprobe psmouse or insmod psmouse
[03:27] <freemanen> but i can't get x to work
[03:27] <Pixels-> and then edit the /etc/rc.d/rc.modules file
[03:27] <Pixels-> freemanen: does X give an error?
[03:27] <Pixels-> or does it load, and blackscreen.
[03:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> freemanen: then sit down at teh box after pluging in a screen
[03:28] <Pixels-> freeman, this is why you always want to keep an old junky monitor around
[03:28] <Pixels-> even one with monocrome graphics.
[03:28] <freemanen> It says that in cant open it
[03:29] <Pixels-> or hercules.
[03:29] <Pixels-> :)
[03:29] <DexterF> ok. I just wanted to reinstall fontconfig with adept. since there was no button there for "reinstall" I thought "well, remove and install again"
[03:29] <DexterF> turned out as a bad idea - adept started killing everything related to fontconfig. I paniced and killed it. now the system is in a somewhat undefined state.
[03:30] <DexterF> ideas?
[03:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> DexterF: apt-get -f install
[03:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo apt-get -f install
[03:30] <DexterF> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[03:31] <DexterF> don't see anything package related. adept is gone. dpkg is not active anywhere
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> DexterF: does "ps aux |grep adept" give you more then one hit?
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> or switch the adept to dpkg
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> and try that as well
[03:31] <DexterF> oh, indeed
[03:32] <DexterF> kill those?
[03:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[03:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> then try fixing the install again :)
[03:33] <DexterF> already at it
[03:34] <DexterF> ok.. looks like we're back to normal... thanks 
[03:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool :)
[03:37] <DexterF> my first steps on a debian based dist. been using slackware for.. 3 or 4 years
[03:37] <DexterF> you hack almost everything manually there, this is all different
[03:37] <chimaera> anyoni have issues with my usb wifi adapter (zd1211). when i plug in the device, the module gets loaded, but it seems there's no device created.
[03:38] <chimaera> s/anyoni/i/
[03:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> DexterF: at least you understand the concepts. makes explaing stuff way easer :D
[03:39] <ximon> hello, can anyone help with kubuntu breezy fresh install sudo not working, returns exit code 141
[03:39] <dorkiaa> When I put my mouse over an element in KMenu, the element goes balnk
[03:39] <ximon> my user password and my root password both work fine, but kdesu and sudo do not
[03:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> dorkiaa: try rebooting
[03:39] <dorkiaa> for example, instead of "System" i get "               "
[03:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> ximon: so you set a root password?
[03:40] <dorkiaa> And then, the computer stuck
[03:40] <ximon> kamping_kaiser: yep, during install
[03:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> ximon: so your user password? or did you do a special install?
[03:41] <ximon> i did an expert install
[03:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah ok
[03:41] <ximon> long story, but don't think i did anything odd during expert install that should cause this problem
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> ximon: i think because of the patches made to gksudo etc break using the  root password, but im not entirely sure
[03:42] <ximon> i cannot run adept since sudo is not working, i have tried googling and checking launchpad, kubuntu breezy known bugs etc
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> does sudo in a terminal work?
[03:42] <ximon> nope
[03:42] <ximon> sudo adept ; echo $? prints 141
[03:42] <ximon> same for sudo anything else
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> does su?
[03:43] <ximon> su works
[03:43] <Riddell> don't use sudo with KDE programs!
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> so if you su root and check the sudoers file, is teh %admin group there?
[03:43] <ximon> sudo does ask for my password the first time, then exits without a message and sets $? to 141
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, thats a point
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> Riddell: 
[03:43] <ximon> i don't believe there is, but checking again
[03:43] <dorkiaa> Riddell, Why not?
[03:43] <Riddell> dorkiaa: it breaks things is mysterious ways
[03:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> dorkiaa: badstuff happens
[03:44] <Riddell> use kdesu
[03:44] <ximon> nope, just Defaults and root ALL=(ALL) ALL
[03:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> ximon: thats why sudo isn working then :|
[03:44] <dorkiaa> like "kdesu ln -s /bla /bla"?
[03:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> dorkiaa: for example using (iirc) 'sudo k3b' was stopping ppl log in
[03:44] <Riddell> sudo for command line stuff, kdesu for kde stuff
[03:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, kdesu adept, and sudo apt-get
[03:45] <ximon> kamping_kaiser: any idea what i need in the file?
[03:46] <ximon> sounds like this is a bug, kdesu adept should not run into a 141 problem out of the box
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> ximon: on a standard instal, there is a 
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL 
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> line
[03:47] <ximon> ta
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> and the first (and at your discresion) subsequent users are in the admin group
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> gpasswd -a admin $username
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> iirc
[03:47] <ximon> understood
[03:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool :)
[03:50] <ximon> kamping_kaiser: two things, 1. no group admin in /etc/group, 2. syntax should be gpasswd -a <user> group
[03:51] <ximon> kamping_kaiser: group_add admin solved my problems with adept, but hope nothing else is similarly foobar'd
[03:51] <ximon> s/group_add/groupadd/
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks re gpasswd
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> i suppose because of the expert install no admin group was created :|
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> if that hasnt helped you have to go to a higher authority then me. :(
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> try asking ubotu
[03:53] <ximon> okay, ta muchly, it has helped me for now, but if i encounter further problems i know where to go, brilliant, bye bye!
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> later mate :)
[03:54] <chimaera> err, seems the zd1211 in breezy is faulty. upstream works..
[04:03] <itay> Why can't I check "enable latin layout" in "keyboard layout" in "kcontrol" in the new version of KDE?
[04:03] <Tm_T> itay: define "new version"
[04:03] <Tm_T> ;)
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[04:04] <Tm_T> =)
[04:04] <itay> 3.4.3. In older versions it is possible to check this box.
[04:04] <Tm_T> itay: hmm, strange, so what layout you're using then?
[04:05] <itay> now I have 2 keyboard layout, English and Hebrew. in older versions I had 1 layout (Hebrew) with latin enable.
[04:05] <Tm_T> hmm
[04:05] <Tm_T> lemme check
[04:06] <Tm_T> you mean israel (il) ?
[04:07] <itay> right
[04:07] <Tm_T> itay: hmm, isn't basic that what you're looking for?
[04:07] <Tm_T> from variant
[04:08] <itay> but I need also to check the "latin" box to write in English too
[04:09] <gath> hello
[04:09] <gath> i have some problems with my cr.rom
[04:09] <gath> cd-rom
[04:09] <gath> it always hang oneself
[04:10] <_mindspin> does anybody know which packages dto install to get "system settings" in menu, I have nothing alike there
[04:10] <Tm_T> itay: I don't see any "latin" box?
[04:10] <gath> it works correct with kanotix and under windows
[04:10] <Tm_T> aaah!
[04:10] <Tm_T> sorry
[04:10] <gath> but not with the breezy
[04:10] <gath> it is a bug?
[04:11] <_mindspin> !/media
[04:11] <ubotu> _mindspin: Syntax error in line 1
[04:11] <_mindspin> !media
[04:11] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, _mindspin
[04:11] <itay> Tm_T, in "keyboard layout", under "main variation" and above "command" (there is a checkbox)
[04:11] <Tm_T> itay: yes, I see it now :p
[04:11] <itay> can you check it?
[04:11] <Tm_T> itay: it's heavily greyed out
[04:11] <itay> so what's to problem?
[04:11] <gath> any suggetions here?
[04:12] <_mindspin> gath: could be "media" related, there are some postings on that in the forum
[04:12] <Tm_T> itay: are you sure you have all "local" packages?
[04:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> locale
[04:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> its an important E ;)
[04:12] <itay> Tm_T, no
[04:12] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: local as fi -packages for me ;)
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[04:13] <Tm_T> itay: check it, adept have easy find capabilities
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell me about wireless
[04:13] <Tm_T> ubotu: remain silent
[04:13] <ubotu> Tm_T: Do they come in packets of five?
[04:13] <Tm_T> ...
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> :|
[04:13] <Tm_T> silency never come in packets of five
[04:14] <_mindspin> gath: btw, got the same error here ;-)
[04:14] <gath> _mindspin: who is btw?
[04:15] <Tm_T> gath: "bytheway"
[04:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:15] <Tm_T> or bothered too widely
[04:15] <Tm_T> ;)
[04:16] <Tm_T> err, need more coffee then :p
[04:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[04:16] <itay> Tm_T, now I installed a few localization packges, I will restart KDE and come back here
[04:17] <DexterF> can Adept reinstall packages?
[04:17] <mornfall> not yet
[04:18] <mornfall> file a wish on bugs.kde.org please
[04:18] <DexterF> will do. and: I installed fglrx for my ATI card, but am stuck with MesaGL. what can I do there?
[04:18] <mornfall> so i don't forget to put it into 2.0 feature plan
[04:18] <mornfall> now, that's not my area of expertise
[04:18] <itay> Tm_T, is still doesn't work...
[04:19] <_johan> cannot install skype :-(
[04:19] <mornfall> sproingie: file them one by one =)
[04:19] <DexterF> Skype: an eBay... marketing tentacle
[04:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol sproingie
[04:19] <sproingie> frankly, the only thing aptitude is sorely missing is search of description
[04:20] <_johan> no it is now a qt3 tentacle :P
[04:20] <DexterF> ever was
[04:20] <sproingie> i still can't understand ebay buying skype
[04:21] <nikkia> sproingie: aptitude has search by description
[04:21] <nikkia> sproingie: use / then type ~dwords to search for
[04:22] <_johan> when enough customers skypw will be only available for payed customers 
[04:22] <sproingie> nikkia: i can't seem to make that work. got an example search string?
[04:23] <nikkia> sproingie: erm, search for 'shell' :)
[04:23] <nikkia> but its always worked here, its a tad slow tho
[04:23] <sproingie> there it goes.  huh, had problems first time
[04:24] <sproingie> spiffy.  aptitude is now perfect :)
[04:24] <_johan> but i got depency problems with libqt3-mt and another qt3c102-mt which i need for skype
[04:24] <nikkia> sproingie: its a feature i've relied on for the last year or so
[04:24] <nikkia> sproingie: so its just that you never bothered to read the man page :P
[04:24] <sproingie> no, i just kept missing it
[04:25] <sproingie> not quite perfect ... no super cow powers
[04:25] <nikkia> there's about 40 different ~ modifiers for search
[04:26] <nikkia> ~c is another useful one
[04:26] <nikkia> finds apps that have been uninstalled, but haven't been purged
[04:27] <sproingie> is there a way to narrow the selection to the search criteria?
[04:27] <nikkia> sproingie: i don't think so :/
[04:27] <Tm_T> itay: any luck?
[04:27] <itay> Tm_T, do you have any other suggestions?
[04:27] <Tm_T> :(
[04:27] <sproingie> wow ... amazing how much stuff i have in the c state
[04:27] <gath> to past something i have to use floox or ?
[04:28] <Tm_T> itay: sorry, no :(
[04:29] <gath> Kamping_Kaiser: what`s the name of the paste irc-channal?
[04:29] <sproingie> hm, i just tried to purge all those 'c' files with aptitude and it did nothing
[04:29] <itay> Tm_T, I'm trying to install some more packages that look connected
[04:30] <Tm_T> itay: ok
[04:30] <Tm_T> itay: if you got any success, let me know
[04:30] <itay> of course ;-)
[04:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> gath: #flood
[04:30] <gath> thanks :-)
[04:31] <DexterF> gath: axpr.net is good when you dont wanna wait for peeps to join #flood
[04:33] <DexterF> umm. gtk-qt-engines has some bugs which aren't in cvs. file bug to? kde? kubuntu?
[04:34] <itay> no success yet...
[04:34] <raingrove> gtk-qt-engines always had alot of bugs , too many of them nearly impossible to fix
[04:34] <raingrove> does anyone have super large font size in adept?
[04:35] <Tm_T> raingrove: yup, because your "root"user settings have large fonts
[04:36] <itay> maybe other people know the solution
[04:37] <raingrove> Tm_T, i never logged in root at all
[04:37] <itay> does anyone know what can't I check the "latin layout" checkbox in "keyboard layout" in KDE 3.4.3?
[04:37] <itay> why*
[04:39] <Tm_T> raingrove: yse, that's why your root has default settings (=large fonts)
[04:39] <Tm_T> s/yse/yes
[04:39] <raingrove> :/
[04:40] <raingrove> so i have to create password for root
[04:40] <raingrove> log in
[04:40] <raingrove> set up fonts
[04:40] <raingrove> then log out
[04:40] <Tm_T> yup
[04:40] <Tm_T> or live with it
[04:40] <raingrove> alright i will try thanks Tm_T 
[04:40] <Tm_T> I do
[04:40] <Tm_T> :(
[04:40] <Tm_T> and what if that doesn't work out? he will hang me...
[04:41] <Tm_T> please don't tell him I'm behind my desk when he comes back
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok.
[04:42] <Tm_T> thanks :)
[04:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[04:45] <DexterF> I'd like to recompile Freetype2 with modifications. There's no package Freetype2 or so.
[04:45] <DexterF> what src should I get?
[04:46] <chi> DexterF: apt-get source freetype2
[04:46] <chi> well make that libfreetype6
[04:47] <DexterF> odd. thanks.
[04:47] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: hey, you on breezy i386?
[04:47] <apokryphos> (actually, it doesn't have to be i386)
[04:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes i am
[04:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> iirc even running an i386
[04:48] <da_bon_bon> i installed kde -- but i didnt like it, so removed it with apt-get remove kde* arts
[04:48] <da_bon_bon> is that the way to do it ?
[04:48] <chimaera> i'm having problems with my bluetooth mx900. works basically, but wheel and some buttons don't generate x-events
[04:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> well, 686 
[04:48] <da_bon_bon> now, how do i get the original usplash back ?
[04:48] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: could you run sudo apt-get build-dep amarok? Don't have to install anything.. just see if it cops out immediately? 
[04:48] <craft4> can someone help me with kopete? i keep getting an error when i try to connect to ICQ "An unknown error has occurred and the connection has been closed"
[04:48] <da_bon_bon> also, my menu fonts are too big, reducing font size doesnt help
[04:48] <da_bon_bon> in gnome
[04:48] <specialbuddy> is there a new version of super karamba out
[04:48] <specialbuddy> ?
[04:48] <chimaera> da_bon_bon: no, that way won't get everything. 
[04:49] <da_bon_bon> chimaera: then what way will be the best ?
[04:49] <apokryphos> specialbuddy: in the repositories? No. 0.37 is still in beta stages
[04:49] <specialbuddy> so what is the newest version on synaptic
[04:49] <chimaera> well to cover _everything_ would be removing qt, but there might be nonkde soft on your box using it, so be careful
[04:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> apokryphos: id have to download kde ;)
[04:49] <sproingie> da_bon_bon: use aptitude, find the kubuntu-desktop package.  hit enter to find its dependencies.  remove all those
[04:50] <da_bon_bon> sproingie: no. that will remove stuff like python and all too.. which will remove ubuntu-desktop
[04:50] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: nope -- no need to download anything (at all). Just see if it brings you to the screen with X packages need to be installed: y/n? (it doesn't for me... seeing if others have teh same problem)
[04:50] <sproingie> da_bon_bon: hm yeah, i guess it would do that.  you could try removing qt, see what that breaks, remove those
[04:50] <specialbuddy> apokryphos, is it .35?
[04:50] <apokryphos> specialbuddy: packages.ubuntu.com
[04:51] <da_bon_bon> sproingie: ok .. but i am keeping amarok and k3b .. no gnome alternative :)
[04:51] <specialbuddy> k
[04:51] <apokryphos> specialbuddy: or, in here: /msg ubotu info package
[04:51] <da_bon_bon> but the BADDEST thing is the fonts in gnome
[04:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> apokryphos: yes, it got there, it even started dling, i checked :)
[04:51] <bpf> da_bon_bon, do you need the space or something? just install ubuntu-desktop and leave it there. they can co-exist
[04:51] <apokryphos> it shouldn't download without verification, but hmm.. gah, ok, thanks :)
[04:51] <sproingie> da_bon_bon: just schedule qt for removal, remove everything that breaks, then put qt, amarok, and k3b back
[04:52] <da_bon_bon> bpf: space ? i install kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu, and then removed it.
[04:52] <sproingie> da_bon_bon: you can do it without actually even removing those three packages
[04:52] <apokryphos> that will do nothing
[04:52] <apokryphos> kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage
[04:52] <da_bon_bon> sproingie: ok .. but problem is the fonts
[04:52] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: isnt there a remove with depends option 
[04:52] <da_bon_bon> ?>
[04:52] <sproingie> da_bon_bon: you're getting rid of everything because you don't like the default fonts?
[04:52] <specialbuddy> they have a new one for breezy apokryphos?
[04:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> apokryphos: http://pastebin.com/396427 <- it fails to dl because the server is off btw ;)
[04:52] <bpf> da_bon_bon, so your box is without an OS? i was assuming you were still in kubuntu, in which case you can simply install the ubuntu-desktop package
[04:52] <da_bon_bon> sproingie: no. because i didnt like kde.
[04:53] <specialbuddy> can I add breezy repositories even though I don't have breezy yet
[04:53] <da_bon_bon> bpf: i am on ubuntu. i installed kubuntu. then removed it. so now, i have gnome. whose fonts are screwed up. :)
[04:53] <bpf> specialbuddy, if you want to upgrade :)
[04:53] <da_bon_bon> and thats what i want to remedy
[04:53] <da_bon_bon> sproingie: to be exact, ubuntu's kde :)
[04:53] <sproingie> da_bon_bon: there's no easy way to remove these big packages.  it's a problem with the way apt is made.  aptitude does better, but unless you installed the packages with aptitude, it won't help
[04:53] <specialbuddy> bpf, do I need to burn a cd in order to upgrade?
[04:54] <sproingie> if ubuntu used tasks, it wouldn't be as bad, but apt is still pretty one-way
[04:54] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: so you did hit yes :P. Ok, that's cool -- thanks. I seem to be the only one having this problem :P
[04:54] <specialbuddy> bdf, because I don't have an cd's right now
[04:54] <da_bon_bon> sproingie: didnt install with aptitude. but i already think i removed the packages.
[04:54] <da_bon_bon> only these fonts
[04:54] <da_bon_bon> and usplash image
[04:54] <bpf> specialbuddy, nope, changing your apt source and doing an update/dist-upgrade will do it
[04:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> apokryphos: :O ok
[04:54] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: though.. no kde??
[04:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, gnome user
[04:54] <apokryphos> :-O
[04:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> :OO
[04:54] <apokryphos> I never knew ;-)
[04:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;D
[04:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> closet gnome user ;D
[04:55] <apokryphos> closet kde user, I think ;-)
[04:55] <da_bon_bon> closet ?
[04:55] <specialbuddy> bdf, not really sure of how I do that
[04:55] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: secret
[04:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:55] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: as in, loves kde but hasn't admitted it yet
[04:55] <specialbuddy> bdf, do I have to change something in source.list
[04:55] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: oh ..
[04:56] <da_bon_bon> then i am kde lover on archlinux and gnome on ubuntu :
[04:56] <apokryphos> why not kde on ubuntu>?
[04:56] <bpf> specialbuddy, you would change /etc/apt/sources.list so that where it says 'hoary' will say 'breezy' 
[04:56] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: i didnt like kde on ubuntu.
[04:56] <specialbuddy> k
[04:56] <bpf> specialbuddy, then you would do 'sudo apt-get update' so it reads the new repositories
[04:56] <specialbuddy> sounds easy enough
[04:56] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: how comes?
[04:57] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: it includes gnome stuff in menus ..
[04:57] <bpf> specialbuddy, then you would do 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' to upgrade your entire system - this took about 2 hours for me :)
[04:57] <specialbuddy> really
[04:57] <specialbuddy> that's a pretty long time
[04:57] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: and the basic LNF could make a big improvement
[04:57] <da_bon_bon> for example, the theme
[04:57] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: if you had gnome apps installed... then of course; anything different would be silly :/
[04:57] <da_bon_bon> and icons
[04:57] <bpf> specialbuddy, depends on your network connection. i was also doing it right when breezy was released, traffic may have died down some
[04:57] <sproingie> the basic kde lnf is going to be the same on any distro you use
[04:57] <specialbuddy> should I plug in rather then use wireless bpf
[04:58] <bpf> specialbuddy, if it's faster, yes
[04:58] <apokryphos> not using it on a distro because of the icons or style is a pretty poor reason guy ;-)
[04:58] <apokryphos> considering it takes seconds to change it
[04:58] <specialbuddy> kde is for me
[04:58] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: i know ..
[04:58] <specialbuddy> I don't like gnome
[04:58] <da_bon_bon> problem is ..
[04:58] <da_bon_bon> i jsut like ubuntu's gnome ..
[04:58] <sproingie> i find myself never really using a DE most times.  i don't even use multiple desktops
[04:58] <da_bon_bon> for some stupid reason, i just didnt like kde :(
[04:59] <bpf> specialbuddy, you can use any window manager once the system is installed
[04:59] <da_bon_bon> i cant explain why, though :)
[04:59] <bpf> i have tried gnome, kde, xfce, fluxbox, and e17
[04:59] <apokryphos> congrats
[04:59] <da_bon_bon> i know i am talking silly, though
[04:59] <da_bon_bon> bpf: *box is too minimalist for me
[05:00] <da_bon_bon> and other problem is 
[05:00] <sproingie> ubuntu's gnome is pretty well packaged.  can't say i much like gnome but eh .. *shrug*
[05:00] <da_bon_bon> the MAJOR problem is
[05:00] <da_bon_bon> gtk-qt-engine f*cks my gnome
[05:00] <bpf> da_bon_bon, different strokes for different folks. some like all the menus, some like super minimalist setups
[05:00] <da_bon_bon> bpf: i like e17 of elive, though :
[05:00] <sproingie> da_bon_bon: gtk-qt-engine is a hack
[05:01] <da_bon_bon> sproingie: yes, but when i log in to gnome, its all fucked up :(
[05:01] <bpf> da_bon_bon, what does that do? i can't remember
[05:01] <da_bon_bon> the theme. .
[05:01] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: gtk-qt has absolutely no affect in gnome
[05:01] <sproingie> i run it, works just fine, but i won't claim it works with everything
[05:01] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: wrong.
[05:01] <apokryphos> nope
[05:01] <da_bon_bon> bpf: elivecd.org
[05:01] <sproingie> apokryphos: well it uses a qt theme for gnome
[05:01] <apokryphos> sproingie: not *in* gnome
[05:02] <sproingie> tho i can't figure out why someone would have gtk-qt and run the full gnome desktop
[05:02] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: when i login to gnome, the selection rectangles, the menus, are blue.
[05:02] <sproingie> since it's really for kde users who like their theme
[05:02] <da_bon_bon> now what can cause that ?
[05:02] <Lous> apokryphos, gtk-gt affects gnome
[05:02] <da_bon_bon> Lous: :)
[05:02] <Lous> you have to rename a file
[05:02] <da_bon_bon> hey .. whats Xubuntu ?
[05:02] <bpf> enlightenment is supposed to be great, but I couldn't do simple things like add to the menus or even find some of my apps!
[05:02] <Lous> to get things back to normal in gnome
[05:02] <apokryphos> sproingie: been using Plastik for months now
[05:02] <da_bon_bon> which Lous ?
[05:02] <bpf> xubuntu uses xfce
[05:03] <da_bon_bon> Lous: if you tell me that, i wont ever remove kde :)
[05:03] <Lous> .gtkrc-2.0
[05:03] <sproingie> xfce was pretty nice when i used it last, but pretty bare
[05:03] <Lous> just rename this one
[05:03] <sproingie> not much more than a nifty panel and a wm
[05:03] <apokryphos> gtk-qt affecting things in gnome is... wrong; that should probably be reported
[05:03] <Lous> then restart gnome and everything is ok again
[05:04] <Lous> apokryphos, gtk-qt affect gnome themes
[05:04] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: wondering why you'd remove all of kde because of that and not just gtk-qt
[05:04] <sproingie> da_bon_bon: i suspect even removing kde may not help the gnome problem you're having.  possible that gtk-qt messed things up.  it ain't part of kde
[05:04] <apokryphos> Lous: gtk themes, yes.
[05:04] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: that would remove kubuntu desktop .. and ..
[05:04] <Lous> yes, but as I said it is very easy to sort it out
[05:05] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: so? It's just a metapack
[05:05] <Lous> just rename .gtkrc-2.0 :)
[05:05] <apokryphos> you could create a dummy pack for it
[05:05] <da_bon_bon> well.. maybe i was prejudiced by arch linux's kde , apokryphos 
[05:05] <sproingie> meta packages are very much one-way.  remove the metapackage, and nothing but it will be removed
[05:05] <sproingie> unless you used aptitude to install it
[05:05] <apokryphos> unless aptitude saves you!
[05:05] <da_bon_bon> sproingie: thats what must be remedied
[05:05] <da_bon_bon> what does aptitude do ?
[05:05] <sproingie> da_bon_bon: that's apt for you
[05:05] <da_bon_bon> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75443 --> GREAT!
[05:05] <apokryphos> though metapacks are also useful for debfoster
[05:06] <sproingie> da_bon_bon: aptitude keeps track of which packages you installed by hand, and which were installed just to meet dependencies
[05:06] <apokryphos> (regardless of whether you used aptitude originally)
[05:06] <sproingie> da_bon_bon: when you remove the last hand-installed package that a dependency traces to, it removes that dependency too
[05:06] <matt_> apokryphos, how many mb is the breezy upgrade
[05:06] <da_bon_bon> thats great, sproingie 
[05:06] <apokryphos> matt_: around 400 I'd say
[05:06] <matt_> k
[05:06] <da_bon_bon> Lous: do i rename or delete the file ?
[05:06] <matt_> not too bad
[05:06] <Lous> da_bon_bon, just rename it
[05:06] <Lous> lets say .gtkrc-2.0_BACKUP
[05:07] <apokryphos> matt_: you can find out without installing it, btw. 
[05:07] <apokryphos> just run the command and don't hit Y, yet
[05:07] <sproingie> apt is not my favorite package manager in a lot of ways, but it's adequate
[05:07] <da_bon_bon> fine
[05:07] <da_bon_bon> also, how do i choose my splash ?
[05:07] <da_bon_bon> i want ubutnu's splash, not kubuntus
[05:08] <sproingie> apokryphos: indeed.  it sucks less
[05:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> (because i can ;D)
[05:08] <sproingie> yum does support multiple arches, debian makes me use a chroot
[05:08] <da_bon_bon> also, how do i make menu entries independant ?
[05:08] <apokryphos> hott
[05:08] <da_bon_bon> and trash of kde desktop appears on gnome too
[05:08] <da_bon_bon> how to remedy that ?
[05:08] <bpf> sproingie, what is your favorite package manager?
[05:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> sproingie: what do you mean about arches?
[05:08] <sproingie> bpf: ports
[05:08] <bpf> is that gentoo?
[05:09] <sproingie> Kamping_Kaiser: multiple architectures.  like i386 and x86_64
[05:09] <bpf> bsd?
[05:09] <sproingie> bpf: bsd
[05:09] <sproingie> portage is a gratuitous overcomplication of ports
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> sproingie: yeh, but why do you want to download 64 on a 386? or have i missed the point?
[05:09] <sproingie> i hear packagesource is gradually replacing ports, but i don't know anything about it
[05:10] <sproingie> Kamping_Kaiser: because i have an x86_64 system.  and sometimes i need a 32 bit package.  i have to run an entire new root to do this in debian
[05:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah, i see :(
[05:10] <matt_> so have people been having problems with breezy?
[05:10] <matt_> it seems like people love it and hate it
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> matt_: i dont have any novel hardware, but i have had no serious probs
[05:13] <da_bon_bon> how do i config apt to install suggested and recomended packs too ?
[05:13] <da_bon_bon> i am reinstalling kde
[05:13] <da_bon_bon> BUT also, how do i make menu entries independant ?
[05:14] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: use aptitude
[05:15] <da_bon_bon> thats ok ..
[05:15] <sproingie> people actually use the menu?
[05:15] <da_bon_bon> BUT also, how do i make menu entries independant ?
[05:15] <da_bon_bon> sproingie: yes :)
[05:16] <sproingie> anything i need quick access to i put on the panel
[05:16] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: you don't need to ask like a million times. We hear ya
[05:16] <apokryphos> sproingie: /me never uses it
[05:16] <da_bon_bon> :)
[05:16] <apokryphos> waste of time
[05:17] <sproingie> kde will grab everything it can to build its menus first time it runs.  just delete anything you don't want
[05:17] <sproingie> you can actually edit the menu in kde
[05:17] <apokryphos> and thanks to the most amazing super hyper cool smeg project, you can in gnome too!
[05:18] <sproingie> yep.  and gnome continues to innovate by removing the 'run' entry from the menu
[05:18] <da_bon_bon> right.
[05:18] <apokryphos> i.e. someone posted screenies of smeg in development, and people repsonding with "/me drools". :/ 
[05:18] <da_bon_bon> but i dont want to waste time seeding each and every stuff.
[05:18] <da_bon_bon> and making it independant
[05:18] <apokryphos> could be a gnome-thing that I wouldn't understand 8)
[05:18] <sproingie> apparently, desktop nirvana will be when there is only one setting and you can't change it
[05:18] <apokryphos> sproingie: it did?
[05:19] <apokryphos> that's silly; then again, I don't use it.. waste of time. Alt+f2
[05:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> apokryphos: exacly, no one uses it ;)
[05:19] <sproingie> apokryphos: yep.  they say you can use alt-f2 instead.  which is of course obvious to everyone, right?
[05:19] <da_bon_bon> ok.
[05:19] <da_bon_bon> i will figuyre some hack
[05:19] <da_bon_bon> reinstalling kde
[05:20] <da_bon_bon> cya guys ..
[05:20] <da_bon_bon> ttfn
[05:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> later
[05:20] <da_bon_bon> will bug ya later :)
[05:20] <da_bon_bon> ;)
[05:20] <da_bon_bon> Kamping_Kaiser: :)
[05:20] <apokryphos> I discovered it by always using Start -> Run command. Much later found out the Alt+f2 (because of irc)
[05:20] <sproingie> i use the windows settings because meta-d is quite convenient for me
[05:20] <sproingie> nice clean desktop.  and unlike windows, restoring one window from meta-d doesn't restore them all
[05:21] <bpf> alt-F2 will get you the 'run' menu in either KDE or gnome
[05:21] <bpf> ah, that was already mentioned :)
[05:21] <apokryphos> everyone knows :P
[05:21] <sproingie> tho i think it's like that in windows by design, you're supposed to use meta-m to get the expected behavior
[05:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> because meta has this funny logo on it :|
[05:22] <sproingie> don't think i even have it mapped to a real meta key either
[05:22] <sproingie> used to in emacs, i stopped bothering
[05:23] <sproingie> they make some nice keyboards actually
[05:23] <sproingie> or more to the point, they brand some nice keyboards
[05:23] <apokryphos> I like this one; keys depress just as I like 'em to
[05:23] <sproingie> wish i could get the scroll wheelie on the keyboard to work tho
[05:24] <apokryphos> I really hate some MS keyboards though
[05:24] <apokryphos> they have a tendency to make the more expensive ones super chunky
[05:24] <nikkia> only issue i have with MS keyboards, is the fn-lock stuff
[05:24] <nikkia> logitech is just as guilty tho
[05:24] <apokryphos> a small standard, nice-typing one does it for me
[05:24] <sproingie> i have no problem with fn-lock, it's on by default
[05:25] <nikkia> sproingie: hmmm, its always been off by default on the keyboards i've used
[05:25] <nikkia> which is why its so annoying
[05:25] <sproingie> nikki_a: maybe the setting is just sticky.  all i know is i never have to hit that key
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, its off on my board as well
[05:26] <nikkia> sproingie: never been 'sticky' on any i've used, always resets to 'off' on boot
[05:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> but after 3 years hte habit it to boot up and hit the key ;)
[05:26] <nikkia> which is annoying if you have to hit a F key to get to the bios
[05:26] <sproingie> huh.  not on mine.  maybe they fixed it
[05:27] <sproingie> what annoys me is how the arrangement of the keys just above the arrow keys seems to be more or less random with each manufacturer and model 
[05:27] <sproingie> the placement of the home/end/insert/etc keys
[05:27] <sproingie> mine's got an extra-tall delete.  which is actually kinda nice, but no other keyboard does it
[05:28] <nikkia> sproingie: ever seen belkin's joke of a keyboard?
[05:28] <sproingie> nope
[05:28] <nikkia> it has a 'mute' button thats about 2" tall
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:30] <nikkia> you can't see from the photo, but:  http://images.belkin.com/F8E829-BNDL/FUL1_F8E829-BNDL.jpg
[05:30] <nikkia> ou can only just make out that the mute button is different from the rest
[05:31] <nikkia> and yes, no sticky/off-by-default fn-lock
[05:31] <nikkia> we have one at work, its the only USB keyboard we have, which is a shame, because we're always short of keyboards, and it feels 'wrong' plugging a ps2 keyboard into a 2600 video terminal while its powered on :P
[05:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> lmao
[05:33] <schuma> buena.. algunos de uds saben que tipo de fuente tiene el logo de ubuntu???
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> !wtf
[05:33] <ubotu> wtf do you mean, kamping_kaiser ?
[05:33] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: see how it has an extra row of 3 keys above insert/home/page-up ?
[05:33] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: those 3 'useful' keys are 'shutdown' 'logout' and 'sleep' real handy having them nice and close to hit by accident
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> hahahaha
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> handy :D
[05:37] <NetSKaVeN> hell-o!
[05:50] <iface> hey guys
[05:50] <iface> it there anybody who can help me with my bluetooth dongle?
[05:50] <iface> it was recognized from kubuntu, but now i can change anything in the systemsettings ...
[05:52] <chimaera> iface: i get an dcop error when trying to access the bt module of kcontrol..
[05:54] <DexterF> I'd like to upgrade gtk-qt-engine with cvs version. someone know a good howto regarding deb pakcage management?
[05:55] <iface> i get no error... it only nothing happens if i try to configure it in system settings... pressing the admin button, entering the pw, but nothing changes ...
[05:56] <Tm_T> DexterF: what you need to know?
[05:56] <Tm_T> DexterF: you can just reomve that old one and compile&install new one
[05:56] <DexterF> Tm_T: well. I got the src, and there is sucha a packagein kubuntu. how build it myself and replace the one from kubuntu
[05:57] <DexterF> the install part is tricky. how do I generate a deb?
[05:57] <Tm_T> ah
[05:57] <Tm_T> hmm
[05:57] <Tm_T> you don't have to generate deb
[05:57] <Tm_T> you can always just compile and use "make install"
[05:57] <Tm_T> but, generating deb isn't that bad idea
[05:58] <aaronmh> anybody have dvd success with Kubuntu 5.10?
[05:58] <DexterF> make install? how am i supposed to keep track of changes? how should I archive packages?
[06:00] <Tm_T> yup
[06:01] <Tm_T> as I said, generating deb isn't that bad idea
[06:01] <Tm_T> I do compile stuff daily
[06:01] <DexterF> yes. I'd use checkinstall for now, but that's a little sloppy
[06:01] <Tm_T> and use "make install"
[06:02] <iface> why does nothing happens when i am triny to access system "settings -> bluetooth -> paired bluetooth devices" via admin mode?
[06:02] <DexterF> um, opera keeps complaining about missing motif, can't find anywhere. where is it?
[06:03] <nikkia> DexterF: motif is commercial, you probably want 'lesstif' which is a free re-implementation of motif
[06:04] <_michael> HI all- I've installed Kubuntu Linux (first attempt at Linux) i'm pleased with it so far
[06:04] <apokryphos> excellent :)
[06:05] <_michael> It has a really SA-Weet GUI
[06:05] <_michael> runs on KDE now instead of GNOME
[06:05] <iface> does anybody know how to manage files via bluetooth on my mobilephone?
[06:06] <apokryphos> _michael: good decision ;-)
[06:06] <antti> I just switched from Mandriva to Kubuntu... wanted to install Mandriva 2006, but it does NOT work with MSI 865PE-Neo2 motherboard, have several computers running with this mobo
[06:06] <_michael> Thanks for the supoort :)
[06:06] <antti> Kubuntu runs really well... needed a lot of the help of alien to install all the software :D have everything as RPM-packets
[06:07] <nikkia> iface, if you have the kde obex stuff installed (part of kdebluetooth) you should have a 'send to.../bluetooth device' option in konqueror
[06:07] <nikkia> iface, there is no standard obex methodology for implementing a file browser access to a remote bluetooth device though, thats something that each manufacturer (if they do) do differently
[06:08] <nikkia> some manufacturers DO support ftp over obex, tho, so you could theoretically use konqueror there, but i have no idea how you'd set it up, or what you'd type in konqueror to access it
[06:08] <_michael> Woe - I see I have a LOT to Learn about his OS
[06:09] <iface> nikkia, but there are some standart services such as obex filepush which are standart. isnt there an standart protocol to get files from the phone?
[06:09] <nikkia> iface, no
[06:09] <bpf> any vmware users in here?
[06:09] <nikkia> nokia use their own protocol for implementing the 'browse via bluetooth' in windows, for example
[06:10] <nikkia> bpf: yes
[06:10] <bpf> i cannot seem to run vmware as my user, but using sudo it works
[06:10] <nikkia> bpf: that is... odd
[06:10] <chimaera> any ideas wh hidd is not started by default?
[06:11] <iface> nikkia, i can connect the phone via usb, but nothing happens ... 
[06:11] <nikkia> iface, do you have kdebluetooth running ?
[06:11] <iface> yeah
[06:11] <iface> it found the found, and i am connected
[06:11] <iface> i can send files to the phone too ... 
[06:12] <nikkia> iface, then what more do you expect?
[06:12] <iface> to get files from the phone ...
[06:12] <nikkia> iface, you cannot, there is no standard way of doing it, each manufacturer does things their own way
[06:13] <DexterF> what packages has the KDE headers?
[06:13] <nikkia> DexterF: kdelibs-dev ?
[06:14] <apokryphos> kde-devel
[06:14] <jjesse> anyone having any problems w/ open office.org 2 base crashing everytime they create a form from a table?
[06:15] <DexterF> nikkia: no such package
[06:16] <apokryphos> DexterF: install kde-devel
[06:21] <Tm_T> mr aseigo I presume
[06:22] <aseigo> yes
[06:22] <chimaera> is there any reason why hidd is not started by default and the switch to hci is disabled in /etc/init.d/bluez-utils?
[06:23] <DexterF> "bonobo developement packages" - didnt find any bonobo dev package or sumsuch. pointers?
[06:24] <DexterF> there was a command for installing all packages required to build a package - something like apt-get build-dep or so - was it apt?
[06:25] <jjesse> what package do i need to install to get odbc and mysql connection working w/ open office?
[06:26] <robert_> an apt-get update give following on my system
[06:27] <robert_> Reading package lists... Done
[06:27] <robert_> W: GPG error: http://at.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[06:27] <robert_> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[06:29] <philipacamaniac> jjesse: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30149
[06:29] <jjesse> philipacamaniac: thanks :)
[06:31] <CellarDoor> anyone home
[06:32] <bpf> nope, i'm at work
[06:33] <CellarDoor> I've upgraded to breezy and I don't understand what is going on with Kaffeine now with gstreamer... I'm trying to play a dvd and I'm getting this error:
[06:33] <CellarDoor> gstmpeg2dec.c(755): handle_slice: /internal_thread/decoder/mpeg2dec1:
[06:33] <CellarDoor> libmpeg2 reported invalid buffer 0x830373c
[06:33] <philipacamaniac> CellarDoor: is it an encrypted dvd?
[06:33] <CellarDoor> yep
[06:33] <philipacamaniac> have you reinstalled libdvdcss2 ?
[06:33] <bpf> the libdvdcss2 package is not in the breezy repositories
[06:34] <CellarDoor> reinstalled ? you mean since I upgraded ? yes.
[06:34] <philipacamaniac> yeah, you have to google for it, or search on Ubuntu forums
[06:34] <philipacamaniac> oka
[06:34] <philipacamaniac> have you tried kaffeine-xine?
[06:34] <CellarDoor> not since I upgraded
[06:34] <philipacamaniac> I can't get dvd's to work with gstreamer either
[06:34] <CellarDoor> oh
[06:35] <CellarDoor> ok, so reinstall xine ?
[06:35] <philipacamaniac> no, install kaffeine-xine
[06:35] <CellarDoor> ah ok
[06:36] <CellarDoor> yeah, gstreamer seems a real hassle... 
[06:36] <philipacamaniac> agreed
[06:36] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:36] <CellarDoor> everything worked fine before... except certain windows media 9 stuff
[06:36] <philipacamaniac> I have a 5.1 speaker setup, and xine actually lets me use it from Kaffeine and amaroK
[06:36] <philipacamaniac> gstreamer... no go as far as I can tell
[06:37] <CellarDoor> ok installing kaffeine-xine
[06:37] <CellarDoor> thanks :)
[06:37] <philipacamaniac> np
[06:37] <CellarDoor> hey, I like the new system settings Mac ripoff ;)
[06:37] <CellarDoor> and I like Adept too
[06:38] <philipacamaniac> well, good that someone likes them. I like them too, but I believe we're a small minority.
[06:38] <CellarDoor> really ?
[06:38] <philipacamaniac> die hard KDE fans prefer kcontrol
[06:38] <CellarDoor> Adept is much better than Kynaptic
[06:39] <philipacamaniac> yes, but "not as good as synaptic"
[06:39] <philipacamaniac> It works for me
[06:41] <CellarDoor> a gnome user was lauding it over me when I mentioned that kaffeine was using gstreamer... I'll have to tell him what happened and that I'm now using xine
 die hard KDE fans prefer kcontrol < this thing really sucks
[06:41] <philipacamaniac> kcontrol or system settings?
[06:41] <frank23> well kcontrol and system settings use the same modules so they really are the same thing with a diferent layout
[06:41] <philipacamaniac> frank23: exactly!
[06:41] <CellarDoor> frank23: yes
[06:41] <philipacamaniac> and the new layout is more logical.
[06:41] <auke> Hi, I am trying to make NFS work on my system. At the moment it works fine in a wired situation. Wireless the performance is poor (ca. 10 KB / min). Does NFS through wireless need special configuration?
[06:41] <CellarDoor> yep
[06:42] <philipacamaniac> auke: data filesharing through wireless is slow in any environment
[06:43] <philipacamaniac> remember that 11Mb stands for 11 megabits, not 11 megabytes
[06:44] <rysiek> hello evrybody
[06:44] <CellarDoor> aaah... much better... it works now :D
[06:44] <philipacamaniac> CellarDoor: xine is our friend
[06:44] <rysiek> is talking about Skype considered here as faux-pas?
[06:44] <rysiek> :)
[06:44] <CellarDoor> ok... first impressions of a n00b (being me): gstreamer sucks
[06:44] <auke> philipacamaniac, I really mean '10 KBbytes / min'. So something is really not right with my NFS over wireless.
[06:45] <CellarDoor> philipacamaniac: Yes it is :D
[06:45] <rysiek> OK, I suppose not, then :D
[06:45] <rysiek> maybe someone will get interested:
[06:45] <philipacamaniac> auke: that is extraordinarily slow - have you tested performance using Samba?
[06:45] <rysiek> I have done a wee bit of testing
[06:46] <rysiek> installed the *.deb from skype com
[06:46] <rysiek> in breezy
[06:46] <philipacamaniac> CellarDoor: first impressions from someone who has been on Linux for a while: gstreamer sucks.
[06:46] <rysiek> it starts, it logs in
[06:46] <rysiek> when I start a voice conversation with Echo 
[06:47] <rysiek> and I cancel it afterwards
[06:47] <rysiek> the next time I try to talk to Echo I get "hardware problem"
[06:47] <rysiek> I have to restart skype
[06:47] <rysiek> OK, thought I, we'll try to repair the package
[06:48] <puckman> HELP
[06:48] <puckman> lol
[06:48] <puckman> In Kopete I found this option to hide the menu bar
[06:48] <puckman> so now its hidden
[06:48] <rysiek> we repaired the package
[06:48] <rysiek> installed it
[06:48] <puckman> how can I unhide it?
[06:48] <rysiek> -> the same
[06:48] <CellarDoor> philipacamaniac: hehe
[06:48] <puckman> ?
[06:48] <rysiek> BUT I have dled the tar.bz2 package from skype.com
[06:49] <rysiek> untared it, run skype from it and... it workes!
[06:49] <auke> philipacamaniac: No, I didn't try SAMBA. When NFS over wireless did't work fine, I tried a wired connection, and that went fine. I'll try SAMBA to compare.
[06:49] <rysiek> ok, great, now when I have tried to put the binaries in /usr/bin and all the necessary files (from this tarball) on their places in the system
[06:50] <rysiek> so that it would be *almost* like skype installed from deb
[06:50] <rysiek> and I started skype from /usr/bin
[06:50] <rysiek> the problem came back
[06:50] <rysiek> wtf?
[06:50] <rysiek> any ideas? :)
[06:52] <rysiek> the question is: why does the_same_skype_binary, gotten from the tarball, work great when started from the folder the tarball was untared to, but has a bug when it is started from /usr/bin?
[06:52] <rysiek> just tickling your brains, going to write this to (k)ubuntu forums right now
[06:55] <puckman> Ok, anyone here use Kopete at all?
[06:57] <bpf> puckman, gaim always works for me
[06:58] <CellarDoor> kaffeine is playing nice now... me is happy 
[06:58] <rysiek> puckman
[06:58] <puckman> Yeah but I really like Kopete
[06:58] <CellarDoor> puckman: I use kopete
[06:58] <rysiek> I think i have a solution for you :)
[06:58] <puckman> It is a very nice program
[06:58] <rysiek> aye
[06:58] <CellarDoor> yeah I like it
[06:58] <puckman> I was just checking out all the features.
[06:58] <bpf> how is it different/better than gaim?
[06:58] <rysiek> try Settings -> Toolbars
[06:58] <puckman> Found this thing called hide menu
[06:58] <puckman> so I did
[06:58] <puckman> and its gone
[06:58] <rysiek> there, check the first entry
[06:59] <rysiek> Ah
[06:59] <rysiek> the menu, not toolbar :)
[06:59] <rysiek> puckman: open the kopete window and hit Ctrl-M
[07:00] <puckman> rysiek: YOU SIR
[07:00] <puckman> are a star
[07:00] <puckman> thanks, was driving me nuts
[07:00] <puckman> I do love it though, much nicer than gaim
[07:00] <puckman> apart from lacking file transfer
[07:01] <rysiek> :] 
[07:01] <rysiek> you're welcome
[07:01] <inventas> how do i install jave software ???????????????????
[07:02] <inventas> how do i install java software ???????????????????
[07:02] <puckman> I'm also playing with the themes, make a nicer one.
[07:02] <puckman> Sure love KDE, you can see that a lot of work went into it
[07:03] <CellarDoor> hey folks, to get smooth dvd playback I always have to type "sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/dvd"... as a n00b I'd like to know what 'startup' file thingy I can put this in so my system does this when I start up 
[07:03] <philipacamaniac> inventas: cool your beans (pun intended), check out http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:04] <wincide> hi , i'm looking for breezy backports ...
[07:04] <philipacamaniac> CellarDoor: /etc/hdparm.conf
[07:05] <wincide> can someone give me some ?
[07:05] <CellarDoor> ah thanks philipacamaniac 
[07:05] <philipacamaniac> CellarDoor: but you don't put that command in
[07:05] <CellarDoor> oh...
[07:05] <philipacamaniac> CellarDoor: just follow the examples in the file
[07:05] <CellarDoor> ok
[07:06] <bpf> wincide, AFAIK there is not a backports for breezy
[07:06] <wincide> AFAIK?
[07:07] <CellarDoor> brb
[07:07] <wincide> sorry, i dont understand all the english i need xD
[07:07] <rysiek> AFAIK = As Far As I Know
[07:07] <wincide> :)
[07:07] <wincide> thx
[07:08] <philipacamaniac> No backports for Breezy until Dapper development gets going
[07:12] <Cellar|brb> philipacamaniac: so... I just uncomment one of the sample ?
[07:12] <Cellar|brb> *samples
[07:13] <philipacamaniac> CellarDoor: sure, or write in your own based on the examples. all you really need it the dma = on.
[07:13] <CellarDoor> yep
[07:14] <Pixels-> man, im so angry.
[07:14] <Pixels-> =x
[07:14] <CellarDoor> so I could get away with simple putting dma = on at the end
[07:14] <CellarDoor> nothing else needed ?
[07:15] <wincide> i have another problem.. :S
[07:15] <wincide>  GPG error: http://kubuntu.org hoary Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088
[07:15] <wincide> W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org breezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088
[07:15] <robert_> I've the same problem today
[07:15] <robert_> but a little bit diff
[07:15] <Pixels-> your keys may have been corrupted
[07:15] <CellarDoor> ah I have that, but its not really a "problem" 
[07:15] <Pixels-> check the directory that holds the key.gpp file or whatever its called
[07:16] <Pixels-> and see if there is a backup
[07:16] <Pixels-> you can just delete the new one, rename the old one.
[07:16] <robert_> Reading package lists... Done
[07:16] <robert_> W: GPG error: http://at.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[07:16] <robert_> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[07:16] <Tm_T> robert_: topic
[07:16] <robert_> what can I do about that?
[07:16] <Pixels-> oh yeah, check the topic
[07:16] <Pixels-> lol
[07:17] <robert_> Tm_T: ?
[07:17] <robert_> is that the gpg error
[07:17] <wincide> i dont know how to resolve that
[07:17] <robert_> I thougth thats the kmail gpg error
[07:17] <Pixels-> you have to wait
[07:17] <Tm_T> robert_: yes
[07:17] <Tm_T> no, you have to ignore it
[07:17] <Tm_T> it's just warning
[07:17] <Pixels-> yeah you can still get packages
[07:17] <Pixels-> it will just warn they are unverified
[07:17] <wincide> wait ?
[07:17] <wincide> until ?
[07:17] <robert_> ah ok
[07:18] <Pixels-> you can wait for the fix, or you are safe to still apt-get install
[07:18] <Tm_T> wincide: no need to wait, as I said
[07:18] <wincide> ok :)
[07:18] <CellarDoor> I got that in relation to an addittion I made to my sources list (marillat)... I'll just comment it out when I've finished getting my plugins sorted
[07:19] <philipacamaniac> CellarDoor: sorry, just saw your message - you would add this: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/396559 to the end of the file
[07:20] <philipacamaniac> (regarding hdparm)
[07:20] <CellarDoor> ah ok thanks philipacamaniac 
[07:22] <kkathman> greetings all :)
[07:23] <CellarDoor> greetings :)
[07:23] <\root\menza> Hey
[07:25] <brosioz> how could i log all the query with kopete ?
[07:27] <rysiek> update on skype:
[07:27] <bpf> so I'm having some issues running vmware 5.5 beta. it installed fine, but now it will not let me power on my virtual machine unless I am root/sudo
[07:28] <bpf> i found some forum help regarding permissions, but the problem remains
[07:28] <rysiek> d/l suse *.rpm from skype.com, alien, dpkg, works great
[07:28] <Tm_T> :(
[07:29] <Ayiden> Last night I MANUALLY downloaded everything you could possibly need for kernel compilation etc... It took a while to get all the dependencies right and now most things are installed. However I have come to an interesting WALL. I need the package libx-ext-dev... Alot of files just wont install without it... Now libxext-dev needs x11pronto-xext-dev which in turn needs libxi-dev WHICH NEEDS LIBXEXT-DEV!!! So with out libxext-dev libxi-dev wont install an
[07:29] <Ayiden> Is there a command that would allow me to enforce an install? 
[07:29] <Ayiden> What should I do now *(lol)
[07:30] <Ayiden> ha ha ha
[07:30] <Ayiden> im sure there is a simple solution
[07:30] <CellarDoor> egads !
[07:31] <Ayiden> just dont know what it is... im guessing theres a force command?
[07:31] <bpf> apt-get -f install 
[07:31] <bpf> -f is to force
[07:31] <Ayiden> could I use dpkg because I cant use apt-get yet.. I cant go online *(lol)
[07:31] <Ayiden> or can I use apt-get to install it off of my computer
[07:31] <Ayiden> okay
[07:32] <Ayiden> so would dpkg -f work also?
[07:32] <Ayiden> bpf: would dpkg -f work also?
[07:32] <bpf> not sure, but I know you could use a local repository or cd in your apt/sources
[07:33] <Ayiden> okay.. what folder is the apt-get repository file at?
[07:33] <Ayiden> I forgott
[07:33] <Ayiden> Alright thanks alot
[07:34] <Ayiden> Ill go try that
[07:34] <bpf> /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:34] <Ayiden> okay ^.^
[07:34] <Ayiden> thanks
[07:34] <paelscrit> what in the hell
[07:35] <paelscrit> this clock will not keep my local time no matter what i do
[07:36] <helpme> how stable is kubuntu breezy?
[07:36] <jjesse> helpme: really good been using it since release
[07:37] <bhna> hal for media and gpg for kmail is broken
[07:37] <philipacamaniac> but fixes are on the way
[07:37] <helpme> jjesse: is it faster than hoary in anyway?
[07:37] <paelscrit> the klock applet is terrible
[07:37] <bhna> where are the fixes?
[07:37] <venda> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted
[07:37] <venda> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted
[07:37] <venda> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted
[07:37] <venda> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted
[07:37] <new324> hi All, I download the kubuntu 5.10 DVD, how can I use it only live CD
[07:37] <venda> anyone getting 
[07:37] <venda> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-security/main/source/Sources.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[07:37] <new324> I dont want to install HDD
[07:38] <philipacamaniac> bhna: they should come from the official breezy-updates repo
[07:38] <paelscrit> bhna: adept updater i believe
[07:38] <philipacamaniac> new324: boot to the DVD, and type "live"
[07:38] <apokryphos> venda: please do not flood the channel; read the /topic
[07:38] <venda> is security repo borked?
[07:38] <new324> when I boot from CD, I cant see any option for live CD
[07:39] <paelscrit> setting should be set by default
[07:39] <paelscrit> new234 thats not a live cd
[07:39] <tenco> what do i need to install to use gnupg with kmail? kmail says the backend's missing
[07:39] <bhna> apokryphos: ?
[07:39] <apokryphos> bhna: hm?
[07:39] <philipacamaniac> tecno: see topic
[07:39] <bhna> apokryphos: flood the channel?
[07:40] <new324> paelscrit I download "PC (Intel x86) install/live DVD"
[07:40] <tenco> philipacamaniac: ok
[07:40] <apokryphos> bhna: yes
[07:40] <new324> what is the mean of Live DVD
[07:40] <paelscrit> i dont know
[07:41] <philipacamaniac> new324: if you downloaded the dvd, just boot up with it in the drive, and type "live" at the boot prompt (without quotes)
[07:41] <tenco> are there any tetex3 packages for ubuntu?
[07:41] <paelscrit> maybe it is then
[07:41] <new324> yes I download DVD, thanks philip
[07:42] <bhna> tenco: this is my question too?
[07:42] <bhna> anybody know tetex 3 packages for ubuntu/kubuntu
[07:42] <philipacamaniac> search over at packages.ubuntu.com
[07:43] <kkathman> greetings apokryphos  :)
[07:43] <bhna> philipacamaniac: there are only the 2.0 packages
[07:43] <kkathman> greets to you too philipacamaniac  :)
[07:43] <apokryphos> hola kkathman
[07:43] <philipacamaniac> :)
[07:44] <kkathman> apokryphos: isnt it true that apt-get does NOT validate dependencies, per se. 
[07:44] <philipacamaniac> bhna: looks like 2 is the only packaged version available. grab the source and compile it; its pretty easy.
[07:45] <apokryphos> kkathman: depends on what you mean by validate
[07:45] <bhna> philipacamaniac: not for me :-(
[07:45] <apokryphos> it checks depends of package X where you select X for installation; but that doesn't mean you can't still have problems from bad packaging 8)
[07:46] <kkathman> apokryphos: I.e. for instance, apt-get wont always report what is necessary to install something...I think it does its best, but I have had times when I had to resolve these myself
[07:46] <philipacamaniac> ftp://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/unix/teTeX/current/distrib/tetex/rc-3.0.tar.gz
[07:46] <kkathman> apokryphos: ok thats what I thought
[07:46] <apokryphos> kkathman: those will almost certainly be down to bad packaging, rather than apt itself.
[07:46] <kkathman> apokryphos: yep exactly ...thanks :)
[07:47] <philipacamaniac> oops ftp://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/unix/teTeX/current/distrib/tetex-src-3.0.tar.gz
[07:47] <rysiek> not that anybody cares, but another update on skype:
[07:47] <rysiek> everything works fine as long as skype CAN NOT play it's sounds (like hangup.wav)
[07:47] <philipacamaniac> rysiek: yeah a question about that - is there an ubuntu-specific deb? or were you trying the native debian deb?
[07:47] <da_bon_bon> how do i get the original usplash theme back ?
[07:47] <rysiek> P: nope
[07:48] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: installed kubuntu again :D
[07:48] <tenco> philipacamaniac: ok. self-compile :)
[07:48] <rysiek> i have tried:
[07:48] <CellarDoor> yeah I never get sound with skype
[07:48] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: why?
[07:48] <rysiek> no, you cant
[07:48] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: got bored, I presume 8)
[07:48] <rysiek> skype is closed-source
[07:48] <DexterF> CellarDoor: Skype for reasons beyond us still uses OSS 
[07:48] <rysiek> P: you can iether:
[07:48] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: why ? i discovered that i really removed it only because it messed my gnome
[07:48] <helpme> any INDIANS here???
[07:48] <rysiek> 1. get the *.deb from skype.com
[07:48] <da_bon_bon> and as lous suggested, i maanged to solve it, apokryphos 
[07:49] <CellarDoor> DexterF: OSS ? open sound system ??
[07:49] <rysiek> and install it as is
[07:49] <da_bon_bon> helpme: i am indian. whatsthe problem ?
[07:49] <rysiek> you will get an error, but it'll work
[07:49] <DexterF> CellarDoor: yup. try aoss skype, mabye that helps
[07:49] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: reinstalling should never be an option, really, on Ubuntu/Linux
[07:49] <Pixels-> lol
[07:49] <apokryphos> unless you're really bored and enjoy it that much
[07:49] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: now, i wont ..
[07:49] <da_bon_bon> btw one Q
[07:49] <rysiek> 2. you can get the deb and repair it (search the ubuntuforums
[07:49] <rysiek> )
[07:49] <Pixels-> only reinstall linux when 1) your bored 2) changing distros 3) hell freezes over
[07:49] <kkathman> apokryphos: Im getting a little paranoid I think...I have run adept almost daily since I installed breezy back on the official release date, and havent had one update.  Is that possible?
[07:49] <da_bon_bon> does kde auto detect whether net is activated or no ?
[07:49] <da_bon_bon> for me it did
[07:49] <Pixels-> or 4) your kernel decides it wants you to cry
[07:49] <rysiek> 3. you can get an rpm and alien it
[07:50] <helpme> da_bon_bon: hey nothing dude....can u give me a copy of kubuntu breezy from u....do u stay in india??
[07:50] <rysiek> 4. you can d/l dynamic or static binary and use it
[07:50] <tenco> philipacamaniac: ok. self-compile :)
[07:50] <DexterF> how do I install a self-compiled package if dpkg bitches about conflicts?
[07:50] <kkathman> Pixels-:  LOL
[07:50] <apokryphos> kkathman: updates would take time to get in; now's the time you'd expect the least updates ever -- the final is out
[07:50] <Pixels-> dkpg -i --force-overwrite
[07:50] <rysiek> tenco: do you have skype's sources? give me some! :)
[07:50] <philipacamaniac> brb
[07:50] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: not kde, but ubuntu
[07:50] <apokryphos> well, if you activated dhcp
[07:50] <kkathman> apokryphos: I'd expect that too, but with hoary, there was a short time after the release I was updating things rather daily for about 3-5 days
[07:50] <Pixels-> try that DexterF
[07:51] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: activated dhcp ? have i ? :) 
[07:51] <Pixels-> afk
[07:51] <apokryphos> kkathman: once the breezy-updates repo is up you'll likely get a few
[07:51] <kkathman> apokryphos: must have been a great job!!
[07:51] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: network autoconfiguration -- did you select that on install?
[07:51] <kkathman> ahh ok
[07:51] <DexterF> Pixels-: ok... will have to figure how to generate the deb only but not install with checkinstall...
[07:51] <apokryphos> kkathman: well, not entirely unfortunately; see /topic
[07:51] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: i dont remeber .. its long back .. hoary to breezy here :D
[07:52] <da_bon_bon> now, how do i get the original splash back ?
[07:53] <da_bon_bon> blue shows up bad on my 4-color 640x480 FB :(
[07:53] <bpf> da_bon_bon, why do you care about the splash screen sooo much?
[07:53] <da_bon_bon> bpf: why souldnt ? 
[07:53] <CellarDoor> egads, its much later than I thought it was
[07:53] <CellarDoor> I'm off to bed
[07:53] <CellarDoor> nite
[07:54] <kkathman> apokryphos: are you referring to the HAL and GPG??  Im afraid I have no idea what those are and if I need to update them!
[07:54] <bpf> da_bon_bon, just seems trivial since it shows briefly upon boot and it doesn't really _do_ anything useful
[07:54] <apokryphos> kkathman: yup, those. HAL handles the automounting and bringing up media:/ stuff
[07:54] <bpf> da_bon_bon, there is a lot better eye candy than the default splash screen
[07:54] <da_bon_bon> bpf: briefly ? on my piii 550mhz it takes LONG to startup :)
[07:54] <da_bon_bon> bpf: like ?
[07:55] <apokryphos> well, the media:/ part is of course down to kde, but relies on HAL, I'm sure
[07:55] <bpf> da_bon_bon, themes, applets, gdesklets, to name a few
[07:55] <da_bon_bon> bpf: err .. ok 
[07:55] <bpf> da_bon_bon, you could leave it booted
[07:55] <bpf> or do you dual boot to windows 
[07:55] <kkathman> apokryphos: when I go to that page, tho, it just seems to take me to a global install of kubuntu
[07:56] <da_bon_bon> bpf: my dad frequently reboots into win xp .. to do his work
[07:56] <da_bon_bon> ican use hibernate
[07:56] <bpf> da_bon_bon, ah, not much you can do about that
[07:56] <da_bon_bon> but kde doesnt have an option to hibernate
[07:56] <da_bon_bon> s/kde/kubuntu
[07:56] <bpf> da_bon_bon, yes it does
[07:56] <da_bon_bon> where ?
[07:57] <chimaera> hi.
[07:57] <da_bon_bon> as it is, it blanks the screen, and i dont use acpi, so i dont know when to switch off the pc, so hibernate wont work wonders too, bpf 
[07:57] <da_bon_bon> maybe i'll compile a kernel using suspend2
[07:57] <bpf> I've only seen it on my laptop installation, but I've never looked for it my workstation
[07:57] <chimaera> is there a way to add filesystems to the "disk and filesystems" kcontrol module?
[07:58] <bpf> da_bon_bon, what takes so long on  boot? is it trying to get a DHCP address or something?
[07:58] <da_bon_bon> bpf: that, and my system is hell slow .. piii 550mhz
[07:59] <bpf> piii, 550mhz shouldn't take too terribly long; any others in here on older hardware?
[07:59] <da_bon_bon> older than me ?
[07:59] <da_bon_bon> i doubt :D
[07:59] <bpf> you would be suprised
[07:59] <da_bon_bon> i think not ..
[08:00] <da_bon_bon> though i have heard of people using pi s
[08:00] <da_bon_bon> errr .. no way to access ubuntu faq guide from within help center ?
[08:00] <helpme> where has the unofficial kubuntu FAQ for breezy gone???
[08:00] <tenco> i cannot import mail into kmail, the menu-entry is grayed out
[08:01] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: which faq?
[08:01] <apokryphos> helpme: /topic
[08:01] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: the faq guide
[08:01] <apokryphos> very descriptive
[08:02] <da_bon_bon> ok.
[08:02] <da_bon_bon> so, 1 - no way to change splash ? and 2- no way to get faq guide ?
[08:03] <helpme> but its not for breezy.but hoary!
[08:03] <da_bon_bon> helpme: well .. whats the problem, dude ?
[08:04] <apokryphos> helpme: the faq guide, being unofficial, is handled by a third-party. Contact him.
[08:05] <helpme> da_bon_bon: dude i mean to ask: will the hoary kubutnu FAQ work for breezy too?
[08:05] <apokryphos> jjesse: you here?
[08:05] <helpme> apokryphos: then is there any official guide?
[08:05] <jjesse> apokryphos: whats up?
[08:05] <da_bon_bon> helpme: well .. there is an official ubuntu faq guide !
[08:05] <apokryphos> helpme: check the docs provided
[08:06] <da_bon_bon> how do i get icons on desktop ?
[08:06] <da_bon_bon> trash, system ?
[08:06] <jjesse> there is not an official kubuntu faq guide just offical about-kubuntu and kubuntu-release notes
[08:06] <apokryphos> jjesse: hi; can patches be done for breezy. Reading through the Release notes and noticed quite a few lil' things :D
[08:06] <da_bon_bon> oh ok, jjesse 
[08:06] <jjesse> apokryphos: sure we can change the release notes
[08:06] <da_bon_bon> helpme: in that case, refer to ubuntu faq guide
[08:07] <jjesse> da_bon_bon: faq guide will be for the next release along with some other docs as i ifnish them
[08:07] <apokryphos> jjesse: ok, I think I'll make a patch and send it over to you =)
[08:07] <jjesse> da_bon_bon:  you can always help :P
[08:07] <jjesse> apokryphos: thanks
[08:07] <da_bon_bon> jjesse: sure will! just tell me how :)
[08:07] <helpme> hmmm
[08:08] <jjesse> da_bon_bon: that's great the best part is to start at the doc team page in the wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamStepByStepQuickGuide)
[08:09] <pax> hmm I had to read that twice, looked like fag guide ...
[08:09] <helpme> hey there are lots of new unknown packages to download from berlios site!
[08:09] <apokryphos> like?
[08:10] <helpme> well they've got long names too:)
[08:10] <apokryphos> jjesse: damnit, can't find the svn source again; gonna knote it this time ;-)
[08:10] <jjesse> da_bon_bon: 
[08:10] <jjesse> da_bon_bon: actually start here :https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamGettingStarted
[08:10] <helpme> where can i find a howto for enabling repos for breezy?? for things like jre, w32codecs etc..
[08:10] <jjesse> apokryphos: let me grap it ;)
[08:11] <jjesse> apokryphos: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/breezy/kde/
[08:11] <helpme> :(
[08:12] <helpme> where can i find a howto for enabling extra repos for breezy?? for things like jre, w32codecs etc..
[08:14] <apokryphos> helpme: not in repositories (unless you use blackdown java)
[08:15] <helpme> apokryphos: for w32codecs, bacports etc.??
[08:15] <apokryphos> helpme: but you can get them from different location. Probe ubotu's brain... /msg ubotu factoid
[08:15] <\root\menza> Where would I be able to get themes for the ubuntu GUI?
[08:15] <helpme> i dunno how to provoke ubotu....newbie here
[08:17] <apokryphos> helpme: I just told you
[08:17] <apokryphos> MenZa^: for..kde?
[08:18] <MenZa^> apokryphos: Yep :d
[08:18] <apokryphos> kdelook.org is the best place
[08:18] <MenZa^> ta
[08:19] <helpme>  is there a nice KDE-looking theme for Ubuntu? 
[08:19] <Ayiden> Okay, well this is becomming quite an annotance..
[08:20] <Ayiden> I have 3 packages THAT NEED EACHOTHER to work
[08:20] <Ayiden> so I cant install one because it needs th other and so on and so forth
[08:20] <Ayiden> -.-
[08:20] <Ayiden> I cant use apt-get eithor ha ha
[08:20] <Ayiden> because I need these packages 
[08:20] <MenZa^> These bar things and widgets etc. are all part of KDE, apokryphos?
[08:21] <Ayiden> how do you install a package without apt-get (well force install) but also have it configured as well
[08:21] <apokryphos> MenZa^: which bar things/widgets? 
[08:21] <Ayiden> because the packages need configured so that the others will work and install properly *(lol)
[08:22] <Ayiden> can anyone help?
[08:22] <MenZa^> apokryphos: Some of the things you can find on KDE-LOOK.org, like http://kdelook.org/content/pre1/29713-1.png
[08:23] <kblin> hi
[08:23] <apokryphos> MenZa^: that's a metabar for Konqueror
[08:23] <MenZa^> Oh, right
[08:23] <MenZa^> Haven't got it installed yet (Ubuntu)
[08:23] <MenZa^> And I know zilch about linux :d
[08:23] <apokryphos> yup, but you can install it for yourself
[08:23] <MenZa^> I don't intend to use Konq
[08:23] <MenZa^> I'll be using Firefox
[08:23] <MenZa^> :)
[08:24] <apokryphos> MenZa^: the rute tutorial is a good place to start
[08:24] <MenZa^> Oh? Link me :D
[08:24] <apokryphos> MenZa^: you will surely be using it as a file manager, I'd presume
[08:24] <apokryphos> (and the meta-bar only appears in file-management mode)
[08:24] <apokryphos> !rute
[08:24] <ubotu> I heard rute is a great guide for learning about Linux and is available at http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/
[08:24] <apokryphos> MenZa^: for KDE, I'd recommend every user to first go through the KDE Userguide to really get the most out of their KDE
[08:25] <apokryphos> !kuserguide
[08:25] <ubotu> well, kuserguide is at http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/userguide/index.html
[08:25] <MenZa^> Thanks
[08:25] <MenZa^> So KDE is external from Ubuntu?
[08:25] <MenZa^> Or does it come along with it?
[08:26] <kblin> while installing 5.10, I notice that the lines the console has was misdetected, ergo, the lower part of the installation menus is missing. Any idea how to fix this?
[08:27] <apokryphos> MenZa^: KDE is the Desktop Environment that Kubuntu uses
[08:27] <MenZa^> Kubuntu.. I see...
[08:27] <apokryphos> the two biggest desktop environments are GNOME and KDE (of which KDE is the more popular one)
[08:28] <MenZa^> Yeah, I heard about both
[08:28] <slow-motion> re
[08:28] <MenZa^> Killer Desktop Environment and GNOME
[08:28] <MenZa^> :d
[08:28] <apokryphos> :P
[08:29] <MenZa^> How does Kubuntu differ from Ubuntu?
[08:30] <Ayiden> How can I force them to install but at the same time have them configure as well?
[08:30] <apokryphos> MenZa^: by having KDE as the default desktop environment
[08:30] <MenZa^> That's all
[08:30] <MenZa^> ?
[08:30] <apokryphos> yes
[08:30] <MenZa^> I guess I can install KDE to Ubuntu then?
[08:30] <apokryphos> if you don't think that's a big difference though, well, you haven't understood :P
[08:30] <apokryphos> MenZa^: of course
[08:31] <MenZa^> apokryphos: Explain :\
[08:31] <MenZa^> God, I feel stupid
[08:31] <MenZa^> Just briefl
[08:31] <MenZa^> Just briefly*
[08:31] <apokryphos> read the guides =)
[08:31] <MenZa^> Okay :d
[08:32] <MenZa^> I guess Ubuntu uses Gnome then?
[08:32] <apokryphos> yes
[08:32] <MenZa^> k
[08:32] <MenZa^> Aww, I hate command lines :(
[08:33] <AlisonW> but there *is* Kubuntu ... ;-P
[08:33] <AlisonW> KDE front-ended (as, indeed, what I am using herewith!)
[08:33] <MenZa^> Kubuntu uses less command lines :d?
[08:34] <AlisonW> none, so far ..
[08:34] <MenZa^> O...k...
[08:34] <MenZa^> Then what is http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/userguide/windows-how-to-work.html?
[08:35] <AlisonW> :: reads :: ... complicated! 
[08:36] <MenZa^> The LiveCD is for.. what?
[08:36] <AlisonW> the only "issue" I've found so far is that graphics handling (or rather graphics *card* handling) appears to be problematic .. I can't get a decent refresh rate
[08:36] <MenZa^> I feel like such a dumbfuck
[08:36] <CellarDoor> speaking of graphics cards
[08:36] <AlisonW> shoot ...
[08:36] <CellarDoor> I'm not sure which driver I need for my nvidia fx5200
[08:36] <CellarDoor> is it on the repositories ?
[08:37] <bengross> hey my system isnt accepting the root password :(
[08:37] <AlisonW> Anyone here want to own up to being techie enough to understand the question? lol ...
[08:37] <CellarDoor> which question ?
[08:37] <CellarDoor> mine ?
[08:38] <bengross> k3b cannot find cdradao 
[08:38] <MenZa^> What''s the live cd for?
[08:38] <apokryphos> bengross: install it
[08:38] <bengross> when i go to networking and it asks for root password, i type it in and nothing happens
[08:39] <bengross> when i type sudo su, password it works
[08:40] <CellarDoor> can anyone help me with my nvidia ?
[08:40] <Pixels-> CellarDoor: what do you need help with?
[08:40] <Pixels-> nvidia drivers?
[08:41] <apokryphos> bengross: why would you ever type sudo su?
[08:41] <Pixels-> lol@apokryphos
[08:41] <bengross> k3blibs is already the newest version
[08:41] <CellarDoor> Pixels-: yes
[08:41] <Pixels-> sudo su is redundant...
[08:41] <Pixels-> lol
[08:41] <bengross> i dont know, when i type su, password it doesnt work
[08:42] <bpf> apokryphos, Pixels- how do you become root?
[08:42] <bpf> it is not redundant
[08:42] <CellarDoor> thats coz your supposed to type "sudo [password] "
[08:42] <apokryphos> !tell bpf about root
[08:42] <CellarDoor> oops
[08:42] <apokryphos> bpf: yes, it is
[08:42] <CellarDoor> sudo [whatever] 
[08:42] <CellarDoor> then type password then it asks for it
[08:42] <bpf> in ubuntu you are not supposed to have the root password, so su alone should not work
[08:43] <bengross> in mandrake you can type, su 
[08:43] <bengross> then password
[08:43] <apokryphos> good for them
[08:43] <Pixels-> CellarDoor: did you check the forums on how to install the nvidia drivers
[08:43] <Pixels-> you also need to make sure you have the nvidia kernel modules enabled
[08:43] <bengross> i type su 'password'
[08:43] <bengross> it didnt work
[08:43] <CellarDoor> Pixels-: ah no, sorry :$
[08:43] <bpf> apokryphos, explain please. if you dont' know the root passwd, how do you su to root?
[08:43] <bengross> says unknown id
[08:43] <bengross> only sudo su 
[08:43] <bengross> works
[08:44] <Pixels-> np. i always suggest checking the forums
[08:44] <bengross> i am the admin, i should know the password
[08:44] <CellarDoor> bengross: just use "sudo"
[08:44] <apokryphos> bpf: read your PM from ubotu
[08:44] <Pixels-> just type in like sudo apt-get update
[08:44] <bpf> apokryphos, i know about root and root in ubuntu. thanks for being so helpful
[08:44] <Pixels-> if you are in the sudoers group, you dont need to type the password in
[08:45] <Pixels-> or type in sudo su
[08:45] <Pixels-> its redundant
[08:45] <apokryphos> bpf: clearly not, since you wouldn't be asking that question if you did
[08:45] <bpf> apokryphos, sudo will only run a command as root. bengross is asking about becoming root
[08:45] <bengross> i cant install cdrdao it says k3b library already installed
[08:45] <Pixels-> you need to go in and change the root password, isnt it scrambled by default?
[08:46] <apokryphos> bpf: evidently didn't read the page I linked you to
[08:46] <apokryphos> you should use sudo -s
[08:46] <bengross> sometimes when i login there is no sound
[08:46] <bengross> sometimes there is
[08:46] <Pixels-> bengross: alsaconf is your friend
[08:47] <Pixels-> possible IRQ confliction maybe too.
[08:47] <bengross> last time i booted it froze
[08:47] <Pixels-> try running alsaconf in console
[08:48] <bengross> i cant find audacity in the list of available programs
[08:48] <bpf> apokryphos, evidently you don't understand the difference between running a single command as root and becoming the root user. there is a difference and AFAIK the only way to become root in ubuntu is with sudo su. I am simply asking if you know another way. sudo -s is not it
[08:48] <Pixels-> why would you wanna run as root anyways
[08:48] <Pixels-> sudo is good enough for novice to intermediate users.
[08:48] <Pixels-> you would only need root to do more advanced things.
[08:49] <bengross> i needed to install progams
[08:49] <apokryphos> bpf: if you wanted to *become* root and not just root privs, then you'd su. But again, there's pretty much no reason for you to do this
[08:49] <bengross> and mount drives
[08:49] <bengross> i still need my wireless to work
[08:49] <apokryphos> bpf: and yes, of course, sudo -s takes you into a root shell
[08:49] <qos> where can i add new screen resolutions if i am using the fglrx driver? the screeen resolution of my screen is not in the list ...
[08:49] <bengross> madwifi
[08:49] <bpf> i never run as root as I can do everything with sudo. but bengross asked how to _become_ root
[08:49] <Pixels-> apokryphos: i just dont think they understand they don't need to run as root.
[08:49] <apokryphos> probably
[08:50] <apokryphos> all explained very clearly on the wiki
[08:50] <Pixels-> i never use root
[08:50] <Pixels-> sudo/sux all the way
[08:50] <Pixels-> much safer, and easier in my opinion
[08:50] <Pixels-> sudo is great once you get used to it.
[08:50] <bengross> so i type in sudo apt-cache search?
[08:50] <nikki_a> and there's always sudo -s/sudo -i :)
[08:50] <bengross> every time
[08:50] <Pixels-> yes, sudo -s sudo -i are great :)
[08:50] <bpf> my apolgies, sudo -s is exactly like sudo su. that is all i was trying to figure out. that and help bengross a bit
[08:51] <nikki_a> i have a root account on my PC, still *very* rarely login as root, usually sudo -i on one shell
[08:51] <apokryphos> bengross: no sudo required for apt-cache search
[08:51] <Pixels-> the only time apt requires root is install/removal/configures
[08:51] <bengross> well i cant find audacity
[08:51] <pospeselr> I've a question about hplip in kubuntu 5.10 
[08:52] <Pixels-> hmm, i think im going to give kubuntu install 1 more chance
[08:52] <Pixels-> i just wish I knew why it says my HD is bigger than it is.
[08:52] <Pixels-> causes problems in the partition tables. :(
[08:53] <Pixels-> ever hear of that problem apokryphos?
[08:53] <Pixels-> it only happens in ubuntu/kubuntu intalls for me.
[08:54] <Pixels-> ive tested with debian/mepis/pclinuxos/fedora/madriva/xandros
[08:54] <Pixels-> oh and knoppix
[08:54] <Pixels-> all recognize the harddrive correctly.
[08:54] <apokryphos> Pixels-: weird; if it really does, that's a bug and you should consider reporting it
[08:54] <apokryphos> Windows tells me mine is smaller than it is, which causes problems too
[08:54] <Pixels-> already working on the report for bugzilla
[08:54] <Pixels-> :)
[08:54] <bengross> do i have to change my sources?
[08:55] <Pixels-> just trying to collect as much info as I can before I submit
[08:55] <bengross> cannot burn, i/o error
[08:56] <Pixels-> i ran outta cd's or I'd try an older kubuntu/ubuntu release
[08:56] <bengross> what is the gui for installing packages?
[08:56] <Pixels-> im still waiting for my ubuntu cd's to get mailed out lol
[08:56] <Pixels-> is it true they send you 10 sets?
[08:56] <Pixels-> lol
[08:56] <qos> where can i add new screen resolutions if i am using the fglrx driver? the screeen resolution of my screen is not in the list ...
[08:57] <jjesse> Pixels-: yes you can get 10 sets of cds but if i recall they are ubuntu cd's not kubuntu
[08:57] <Pixels-> jjesse: i know
[08:57] <jjesse> unless they changed shipit so you can select them
[08:57] <Pixels-> i said ubuntu
[08:57] <bengross> how do i install packages from the gui?
[08:57] <jjesse> i have warty and hoary disks @ home
[08:57] <Pixels-> nope, shipit doesnt have kubuntu cd's yet
[08:57] <Pixels-> qos: run the fglrxconfig again
[08:57] <bengross> when i go to network settings and type password, nothing happens
[08:57] <Pixels-> and enter in the correct resolutions
[08:57] <Pixels-> make sure you enter in the right horizontal/vertical freq's
[08:58] <apokryphos> they already waste like a zillion by having seperate live/install CDs
[08:58] <Pixels-> you can www.google.com your monitor, if you need exact specs
[08:58] <jjesse> apokryphos: yes there should be
[08:58] <Pixels-> or you can have it auto config it.
[08:58] <Pixels-> apokryphos: a nice install menu on the live cd would be nice
[08:58] <Pixels-> like Mepis has
[08:58] <Pixels-> and other debian distro's
[08:59] <apokryphos> totally agree, but there are problems with it apparently
[08:59] <Pixels-> yeah, sometimes there are error's mounting the drive correctly
[08:59] <Spudchat> hi everyone
[08:59] <Pixels-> causing the install to hang.
[08:59] <Pixels-> ive experienced this with a few distro's with livecd/install scripts.
[09:00] <lwells> how can i tell if i am running on Breezy
[09:00] <Pixels-> uname -a
[09:00] <Pixels-> ?
[09:00] <apokryphos> lwells: cat /etc/issue
[09:00] <Pixels-> oh okay, thats something i didnt know :)
[09:00] <bengross> network settings crashes
[09:00] <lwells> thanks pixels
[09:00] <Pixels-> :)
[09:00] <Pixels-> oh wait
[09:00] <Pixels-> my suggestion worked
[09:00] <Pixels-> DAMNIT
[09:01] <lwells> actually apok did too
[09:01] <Pixels-> well, still...  my nerdness was correct.
[09:01] <Pixels-> :P
[09:01] <lwells> I am finally upgraded
[09:02] <lwells> my first linux upgrade
[09:02] <Spudchat> can gnome and kde both be installed ?
[09:02] <tenco> how can i install kile without tetex-bin?
[09:02] <jjesse> anyone else having speed issues w/ the wiki its god awful slow :(
[09:02] <tenco> i compile it myself?
[09:03] <Pixels-> Spudchat: there can be problems.
[09:03] <bpf> Spudchat, yes
[09:03] <bengross> nobody answers me
[09:03] <Pixels-> Spudchat: since kubuntu is based off of debian sid, I know there can be problems in sid with both gnome/kde
[09:03] <kblin> ok, so what the heck is that supposed to be?
[09:03] <Pixels-> im not sure how that is in kubuntu though
[09:04] <apokryphos> Spudchat: they can live in perfect harmony, yes.
[09:04] <kblin> I never was asked a root password in the installation, and now I can't log in as root
[09:04] <apokryphos> !tell kblin about root
[09:04] <Pixels-> since there is a 6 month gap when ubuntu syncs with debian sid
[09:04] <Spudchat> hmm thats a wide range of answers
[09:04] <Pixels-> Spudchat: most likely it will work fine.
[09:04] <bengross> help!
[09:04] <Pixels-> If installing one wants you to remove alot of pacakges, then the answer is now.
[09:04] <Pixels-> :)
[09:05] <Pixels-> now = no.
[09:05] <kblin> ok, thanks
[09:05] <kblin> annoying, though
[09:05] <Pixels-> i tried to install gnome on debian sid, with KDE installed
[09:05] <Pixels-> it wanted me to remove every package installed.
[09:05] <apokryphos> Pixels-: they work fine together
[09:05] <Pixels-> apokryphos: thats good to know :)
[09:05] <Spudchat> im not doing much anyway...just basic things and my next question is where are the repositories i need to add?
[09:05] <apokryphos> no idea bout deb sid
[09:05] <Pixels-> im more of a kde/e17 kind of person though
[09:05] <apokryphos> Spudchat: for...?
[09:05] <Pixels-> debian sid hurts me emotionally.
[09:05] <Pixels-> :)
[09:06] <Spudchat> adding kde to ubuntu sorry
[09:06] <apokryphos> Spudchat: nothing; they share the same repositories
[09:06] <czert> hi
[09:07] <Spudchat> ill try it out thanks
[09:07] <czert> how can i add terminal on desktop...
[09:07] <Pixels-> apokryphos: you see how nice e17 looks compaired to e16
[09:07] <Pixels-> its like upgrading from dos, to windows
[09:07] <Pixels-> lol
[09:07] <apokryphos> indeed
[09:07] <apokryphos> still very lacking though 8)
[09:08] <Pixels-> yeah, but a big step forward
[09:08] <Pixels-> if they keep at it, could become a real contender
[09:08] <czert> please...how can i add terminal on desktop?
[09:08] <czert> without window..
[09:08] <Pixels-> you want a console, embedded into the desktop?
[09:09] <czert> hmm i think yes
[09:09] <czert> if its what i mean...
[09:10] <Pixels-> czert: www.google.com
[09:10] <czert> something like this
[09:10] <czert> http://www.linuxsoft.cz/screenshot_img/53-a.jpg
[09:11] <czert> yeah but what to search for?
[09:11] <Pixels-> okay, let me look
[09:11] <Pixels-> thats kinda easy to do
[09:11] <czert> i wouldnt ask if i know...
[09:11] <Pixels-> open up konsole
[09:11] <czert> i am beginer..
[09:11] <Pixels-> remove border, remove scroll bar
[09:11] <Pixels-> enable transparency
[09:11] <Pixels-> save default
[09:11] <czert> how to remove border?
[09:12] <Pixels-> click on the window bar of the konsole
[09:12] <czert> that what i didnt know
[09:12] <larard> Hi I've just installed and need to reconfigure x.org. Is there a kubuntu way, or should I just dive in and edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[09:12] <Pixels-> right click i mean
[09:12] <Pixels-> larard: xorgconfig
[09:12] <Pixels-> or sudo kedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:12] <Pixels-> :)
[09:12] <larard> Pixels-: :)
[09:12] <Pixels-> or if you have an ATI card, do fglrxconfig
[09:12] <_sarah> x86_specific.c: In function 'x86_mmx_TrueColor_32_to_16':
[09:12] <_sarah> x86_specific.c:107: error: can't find a register in class 'GENERAL_REGS' while reloading 'asm'
[09:13] <_sarah> i am getting error when i try and "make" a program
[09:13] <_sarah> any idea why?
[09:13] <Pixels-> _sarah: sorry nope :(
[09:13] <Pixels-> www.google.com
[09:13] <_sarah> it does ./configuree just fine
[09:13] <larard> Pixels-: I notice that this time nvidia drivers seem to be installed. So I just need to substitute nvidia for nv, right?
[09:13] <Pixels-> nv correct
[09:13] <Pixels-> i believe
[09:13] <Pixels-> nv .. yeah that sounds right
[09:13] <larard> Pixels-: Thanks.
[09:13] <Pixels-> np
[09:13] <Pixels-> let me know
[09:14] <larard> Pixels-: will do.
[09:14] <_sarah> does anyone know where i can get a .Deb package of WindowMaker for kubuntu?
[09:14] <Pixels-> im so helpful to a distro i cant run
[09:14] <Pixels-> _sarah: check the repositories
[09:14] <_sarah> the what?
[09:14] <Pixels-> apt-cache search twm
[09:14] <pospeselr> I'm running from a server install of kbuntu 5.10, and have installed hplip, foomatic-db-hpijs, foomatic-filters, and foomatic-db-engine.
[09:15] <pospeselr> I can print a test page and I can print from kate
[09:15] <King_Brad> okay, i ran that apt-get command, what am i looking for?
[09:15] <kblin> where's the grub.conf?
[09:15] <pospeselr> but when I try to run the "Printer Toolbox" (HPLIP Toolbox) it claims that I don't have a hp device installed
[09:15] <Pixels-> kblin: /boot/grub
[09:15] <Pixels-> or just in /boot
[09:15] <Pixels-> i forget
[09:16] <_bengross> hey
[09:16] <_bengross> my wireless is working now
[09:16] <Pixels-> _bengross: congrats
[09:16] <_bengross> everything keeps crashing
[09:16] <_bengross> whenever i run a settings program it crashes
[09:16] <czert> :( i still cant find out how to remove border...
[09:16] <pospeselr> also, when I try to restart the cups server from the printer manager gui, it claims that it can't restart because a cups server isn't urnning
[09:16] <kblin> Pixels-: I don't see a grub.conf in /boot/grub/
[09:16] <Pixels-> open up the kde menu
[09:16] <czert> i cant find it..
[09:16] <Pixels-> search files
[09:16] <Pixels-> grub.conf
[09:17] <Pixels-> are you trying to edit the menu.list file ?
[09:17] <pospeselr> however, when I /etc/init.d/cupsys restart it goes without a hitch or error
[09:17] <larard> Pixels-: xorgconfig doesn't seem to be installed. Well the install is too fresh to do a locate, at least. Can you give me the path?
[09:18] <_bengross> how can i tell if its warty breezy or hoary?
[09:18] <kblin> Pixels-: nope, I'm trying to get my console fixed
[09:18] <csko> hi i wonder if someone could tell me, why cant i use numeric keys(numpad, /, minus, plus) in Kubuntu 5.10
[09:18] <csko> it works in terminal 1, but not in kde
[09:18] <Spudchat> so i just install the kubuntu packages and away i go?
[09:19] <spiral> hi
[09:20] <kblin> Pixels-: find / -f grub.conf -type f didn't find anything
[09:21] <Pixels-> kblin: sorry i never messed with that file before
[09:21] <Pixels-> larard: hmm
[09:21] <Pixels-> larard: apt-cache search xorg
[09:21] <Pixels-> or do it in synaptic
[09:21] <Pixels-> or whatever package manager you want
[09:22] <Pixels-> hate to do this, but i must go
[09:22] <Pixels-> with any luck, ill be back in kubuntu
[09:22] <larard> Pixels-: dpkg -S reveals xorgconfig.py
[09:22] <Pixels-> lol
[09:22] <Pixels-> that could be
[09:22] <larard> Pixels-: Cheers anyway!
[09:22] <Pixels-> sorry couldnt help more :(
[09:22] <Pixels-> ill bbl
[09:22] <_bengross> how do i change my apt-cache sources to online sources?
[09:25] <_bengross> whats a good package manager?
[09:26] <robin> _bengross: synaptic
[09:26] <kblin> looks like my install fscked up hard
[09:26] <kblin> maybe another time
[09:36] <MenZa^> What's the LiveCD for?
[09:37] <slow-motion> n8
[09:40] <pospeselr> I'm having trouble with cups in Kubuntu
[09:41] <coruja> Menza^: a live cd boots from your cd-rom only without touching any hard drive, so it's great for showing off or if your system on hard drive doesn't boot...
[09:41] <pospeselr> whenever I try to use the GUI in the print manager to change the settings of the CUPS server it tells me:
[09:41] <pospeselr> "Connectin to CUPS server failed.  Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running.  Error: connection refused."
[09:41] <MenZa^> coruja: So if I'm new to linux, would it be a good idea to download that too?
[09:41] <coruja> Menza^: yes, exactly
[09:42] <MenZa^> Okay, will do when I'm done buurningKubuntu :d
[09:42] <coruja> if you're not sure if to install or not, take a look first with the live-cd
[09:43] <snugglemonkey> I pulled in koffice, but can't seem to find "kexi"   Am I looking in the wrong place?  I can't seem to find it in adept either?
[09:43] <pospeselr> I've apt-get installed hplip (which includes cupsys), foomatic-db-hpijs, foomatic-filters, foomatic-db-engine
[09:44] <coruja> snugglemonkey: kexi - tool for manipulating database objects in KDE3 <-- it's in the repos
[09:45] <snugglemonkey> coruja: what did you search for to find that?  I scroll down to the "k's" and I don't see it in order?
[09:45] <King_Brad> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[09:45] <King_Brad> Xlib: No protocol specified
[09:45] <King_Brad> any idea what that means or how to fix it?
[09:45] <isai> how do I get the trash can to show up on the desktop?
[09:45] <coruja> snugglemonkey: console -> apt-cache search kexi
[09:46] <snugglemonkey> hm, coruja seems like it should show up in adept, no?
[09:46] <coruja> it should, yes
[09:47] <coruja> maybe not all the repo sections enabled?
[09:47] <coruja> (main restricted universe multiverse)
[09:48] <snugglemonkey> coruja: perhaps I should manage the repositories in adept.
[09:49] <coruja> snugglemonkey: better check your /etc/apt/sources.list 'by hand', it's really simple
[09:50] <snugglemonkey> coruja: I suppose that I wouldn't be doing a good job of testing adept if I did that?
[09:51] <coruja> i don't know exactly if adept can already edit the sources.list file
[09:52] <coruja> ah, you can :)
[09:52] <snugglemonkey> yes, doing it now...
[09:52] <snugglemonkey> but apparently, kexi is supposed to be included with the koffice release.
[09:52] <snugglemonkey> ...in kubuntu
[09:52] <snugglemonkey> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/breezy-release.php
[09:53] <coruja> hmm, i don't know either, but it would make sense...
[09:54] <snugglemonkey> coruja: yes, this is odd...  Koffice shows as installed, but kexi is no where to be found.  :(
[09:54] <coruja> maybe any filters left active that keep kexi out of the showed list?
[09:55] <snugglemonkey> nope, not afaik
[09:55] <snugglemonkey> oh well.
[09:55] <coruja> hmm, i haven't koffice installed, and i can find kexi as by apt as by adept
[09:56] <snugglemonkey> perhaps I did not apply mirror changes.
[09:56] <coruja> it's in universe
[09:58] <snugglemonkey> viola!
[09:58] <snugglemonkey> there it is...
[09:58] <coruja> ok :)
[09:58] <snugglemonkey> eeven though it is supposed to be in koffice.
[09:59] <coruja> i've looked for koffice's package details, kexi isn't included within this metapackage
[10:00] <snugglemonkey> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/breezy-release.php -- coruja 
[10:00] <snugglemonkey> KDE Windows Screenshot
[10:00] <snugglemonkey>  KDE Windows Software on the Live CD 
[10:00] <snugglemonkey> KOffice 1.4 and Kexi
[10:00] <snugglemonkey> KOffice 1.4 is now included in the main repository. This lightweight but powerful office suite includes Kexi, a powerful database frontend.
[10:00] <coruja> hmm
[10:01] <snugglemonkey> heh, mispaste
[10:01] <King_Brad> can i safely uninstall ( remove package ) kwin without it messing up KDE?
[10:01] <King_Brad> or is it required?
[10:03] <coruja> King_Brad: just try, if there are dependencies, you'll be asked if to really remove those packages
[10:04] <King_Brad> WindowMaker fatal error: it seems that there is already a window manager running
[10:04] <King_Brad> well the reason i ask, is because when i try to start window maker i get the error 
[10:04] <King_Brad> that
[10:04] <King_Brad> and i think the other manager is kwin
[10:05] <coruja> then try to kill the kwin process if you're sure about that, no need to remove the package itself
[10:05] <King_Brad> hrm
[10:06] <King_Brad> good idea
[10:06] <King_Brad> thanks
[10:06] <coruja> np
[10:06] <King_Brad> can i do a certin command to find that process's ID?
[10:06] <crimsun> pidof <process name>
[10:06] <coruja> ps aux | grep kwin
[10:07] <King_Brad> got it
[10:07] <King_Brad> AWSOME!
[10:07] <King_Brad> thanks guys!
[10:08] <coruja> crimsun: thx, i'm also still learning :)
[10:17] <icewt> what should i install for kaffeine to play most videos?
[10:17] <crimsun> enable universe and install kaffeine-xine
[10:18] <icewt> crimsun, i did actually, but i hear no sound :(
[10:19] <icewt> is there something i should install for the sound to work? (trying to watch mpg2)
[10:21] <crimsun> not that I know of. It should "just work."
[10:21] <icewt> :(
[10:21] <Hobart> Anyone had problems with xfonts-konsole Linux font for Konsole under Breezy?
[10:24] <coruja> icewt: i made the experience that 'fiddling' with kmix (the sound settings/switches) solved this for me, after that i had sound for audio and video without installing any extra codecs (exept ms and real of course)
[10:24] <Corvus> is there any repository list for breezy ?
[10:24] <icewt> coruja: hm..
[10:25] <coruja> Corvus: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[10:26] <RyNSki> Anyone dealt much with Plucker here?
[10:27] <sampan> has anyone gotten skype to work on kubuntu breezy?  i installed the .deb package from skype's website with no errors, but when i try to run it, it comes up in the taskbar and then goes away silently ... :( no joy
[10:27] <kkathman> afternoon all :)
[10:28] <czert> hi
[10:28] <icewt> coruja, what did you do with kmix then? just pushed every button etc.?-)
[10:29] <coruja> icewt: yes, kind of this
[10:29] <czert> my programs which i installed wont open...why? they are just opening but never open...
[10:29] <Hobart> I can't get the Konsole Linux font working -- using Kubuntu Breezy on 3 machines (2 i386, 1 PPC) - I have enabled bitmap fonts in fontconfig, and updated the fontconfig cache.  Anyone know any other steps I can take?
[10:30] <Corvus> thx coruja
[10:31] <czert> i am using kubuntu breezy and it drive me crazy
[10:31] <coruja> icewt: i've just taken a look and see that on the output tab the green light fpr pcm is on
[10:31] <coruja> s/fpr/for
[10:31] <apokryphos> czert: that good eh? ;-)
[10:31] <czert> hh
[10:31] <czert> apokryphos i dont understand...
[10:31] <apokryphos> it rocks my socks too
[10:32] <czert> on hoary 5.04 it didnt do this
[10:32] <czert> so
[10:32] <czert> for example
[10:33] <apokryphos> you probably didn't upgrade properly
[10:33] <czert> i have installed program-bluefish
[10:33] <kkathman> czert: I have to say that I've had no probs in my upgrade to breezy so far
[10:33] <czert> and now when i want to open it...
[10:33] <czert> it is just loading then nothing happens
[10:34] <humbolto> gpg fixes still not available?
[10:34] <kkathman> czert: however, I did a hoary install clean, then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, so I didnt install kubuntu as others did.
[10:34] <czert> can it be caused because i am running kubuntu on older compiuter?
[10:35] <czert> or another example
[10:35] <czert> i have just installed program aegis...and the same...when i want to run it nothing happens
[10:36] <czert> or somethimes when i want to run adept manager it doesnt run...
[10:38] <kkathman> czert: certainly sounds as if your upgrade didnt go well, did you follow all the pre-upgrade preps listed in the BreezyUpgradeNotes?
[10:38] <czert> i have installed it by typing: alien -i in console...
[10:39] <kkathman> brb
[10:46] <_jason> hello
[10:46] <_jason> I just installed kubuntu
[10:46] <_jason> changed my root password in recovery mode
[10:46] <kkathman> back, sorry I had to reboot so that it would recognize my winbox
[10:46] <_jason> when kdesu asks for my root password, it says its incorrect, but when I su in a terminal it says its right, and lets me in
[10:46] <_jason> anyone know what's wrong?
[10:46] <apokryphos> yes
[10:47] <_jason> yes?
[10:47] <_jason> please help
[10:47] <apokryphos> _jason: read what kdesu says to you when it comes up 8)
[10:47] <kkathman> apokryphos:  :)
[10:51] <kkathman> apokryphos: how does one get to the new K-office stuff?  Did they not put that on a menu?
[10:51] <apokryphos> just get it from apt
[10:51] <kkathman> ahh ok
[10:51] <apokryphos> not in by default yet (I think they still consider it too primitive)
[10:51] <kkathman> I thought it was auto installed...thanks
[10:52] <kkathman> yet they put in Krita eh?
[10:52] <apokryphos> yup
[10:52] <apokryphos> OOo doesn't really have an equivalent
[10:52] <kkathman> true dat
[10:53] <kkathman> I was just curious...I dont really need it, but was gonna mess around...I'll wait
[10:58] <Tm_T> kkathman: o7
[10:59] <sampan> if i get an error about libstdc++.so.5 not being installed, but i have libstdc++.so.6 ... can i symlink the .so.6 to a .so.5 and get skype to work?  
[11:00] <_martin> I could use some help. Does anyone have tips on how to collect information on random KDE crashes? I have a reoccuring occasional problem, after clean installs of Hoary and Breezy, with KDE. It seems network related, as it only happens when my laptop is on wireless. At some point, a few of my system tray apps (like klaptop) will become unresponsive. Also, konqueror won't load. I think there may be something wrong with kded at that point, but there
[11:00] <_martin> ven sure what to google on, frankly. What's the right thing to do to collect info for help?
[11:00] <DaSkreech> Kubuntu needs to get it's act together
[11:00] <crimsun> (its) And in what way?
[11:02] <crimsun> (it's) it is really simple, because its misuse is staggering.
[11:02] <apokryphos> I know, but clearly not to those who don't know the difference usage clearly.
[11:02] <_martin> http://www.angryflower.com/itsits.gif
[11:02] <apokryphos> or different, even
[11:02] <crimsun> that's what I tell my students when I see them misuse it
[11:03] <kkathman> crimsun: kinda hard to missuse its and it's isnt it?
[11:03] <apokryphos> apostrophes in general are badly misused; and not just among kids -- many adults too
[11:03] <Pixels-> gah, i got kubuntu installed
[11:03] <Pixels-> still no mouse 
[11:03] <Pixels-> had to boot into a livecd
[11:03] <apokryphos> kkathman: very easy for those who don't know
[11:03] <kkathman> apokryphos: literacy...gotta get the kids away from those video games :)
[11:03] <crimsun> kkathman: imo, yes, but I majored in English lit, so I had it beaten into me.
[11:03] <Pixels-> i just read a post saying that if you disable usb legacy in BIOS, sometimes the ps/2 mouse works
[11:03] <Pixels-> ever hear of that apokryphos ?
[11:04] <kkathman> crimsun: Im a microbiology major, but I think I learned that back in...ahhhhh... 3rd grade?
[11:04] <apokryphos> kkathman: I think it's more down to people not properly teaching/drilling basic syntactical rules
[11:04] <kkathman> apokryphos: could be as simple as people are just too lazy to type the apostrophe :)
[11:04] <apokryphos> haven't heard of it, Pixels-, nope.
[11:05] <crimsun> _martin: do you have the (useless) backtrace from any of these occurrences?
[11:05] <_martin> Nothing actually crashes
[11:05] <kkathman> but you see alot of missue of there and their
[11:05] <_martin> Things freeze and things fail to load
[11:05] <apokryphos> that too
[11:05] <Pixels-> Option		"Device"		"/dev/input/mice"
[11:05] <Pixels-> 	Option		"Protocol"		"ImPS/2"
[11:05] <Pixels-> thats in my xorg.conf file
[11:05] <Pixels-> does that look correct?
[11:05] <apokryphos> and punctuation; the semi-colon is the most neglected piece of punctuation ever 8)
[11:06] <kkathman> apokryphos: true, and I thought they only taught that when I was in school in the middle ages :)
[11:06] <apokryphos> Pixels-: if you're using a ps/2 mouse, sure.
[11:06] <DaSkreech> crimsun: Thanks :) Some things ask for root's password while some ask for MY password
[11:06] <DaSkreech> Thats very confusing
[11:06] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: like what?
[11:06] <Pixels-> yeah, its plugged into the regular mouse port
[11:06] <Pixels-> lol
[11:06] <crimsun> using kdesu?
[11:06] <apokryphos> Only occurence I know of is in kpackage
[11:06] <Pixels-> its a scrolly optical mouse
[11:07] <kkathman> Pixels-: it it a PS2 connector or a USB?
[11:07] <haTem> quick kubuntu question: how can I change the keyboard shortcuts in KDE? i can't find it anywhere in the menu or in System Settings
[11:07] <_martin> write(9, "\1\2\1\0\347\0\0\0\242\0\0\0", 12) = 12
[11:07] <_martin> write(9, "\0\0\0\17konqueror-9009\0\0\0\0\5kded\0\0\0\0\t"..., 66) = 66
[11:07] <_martin> write(9, "\0\0\0\10\0h\0t\0t\0p\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\0"..., 165) = 165
[11:07] <_martin> read(9, 0x814f6c8, 8) 
[11:07] <Pixels-> ps2
[11:07] <_martin> crimsun: I've tried starting konqueror under strace. I get this: 
[11:07] <apokryphos> _martin: please do not flood the channel
[11:07] <_martin> sorry about that
[11:07] <apokryphos> always read the /topic
[11:07] <kkathman> Pixels-: seems right then
[11:08] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: Browse through settings:/ and click on things
[11:08] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: some will ask for root's password and some will just ask for password
[11:08] <_martin> I've put the output from strace on a hanging konq start up in the pastebin.
[11:09] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: examples of ones that ask for root pw?
[11:09] <DaSkreech> gimmie a second
[11:09] <DaSkreech> File sharing
[11:10] <Pixels-> i need psmouse and mousedev loaded in /etc/modules right?
[11:11] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: anything else?
[11:11] <haTem> I have two sound cards (onboard nforce2 and sb live), how can I tell apps to use the sb live (emu10k1) and not the onboard audio?
[11:12] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: and that doesn't actually ask for the root password at all -- but root access. Granted, it would be better to say root priveledges, or admin privs
[11:12] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: I found a few more but that one drove me over the edge this morning
[11:12] <DaSkreech> true but it will not accept my password which has root priv
[11:12] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: sure it will
[11:13] <apokryphos> it uses kdesu to get to it
[11:13] <DaSkreech> So I'm left to assume that it's (correct) looking for root
[11:13] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: :-(
[11:13] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: it ignores my password
[11:13] <apokryphos> it never will when it uses kdesu to get the pass
[11:13] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: that's a bug in the Admin-mode feature
[11:14] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: anyhow, if there are genuinely ones asking for root password, why haven't you made any bug reports yet? ;-)
[11:14] <Pixels-> man this sucks
[11:14] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: Just playing around with it for now
[11:14] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: I haven't hit anything that I can't do 
[11:15] <DaSkreech> I don't really want to enable file sharing I just want to see what the options are
[11:15] <paines> hi
[11:15] <kkathman> Hello paines
[11:15] <paines> everytime i want amarok to start an radio stream it crashes/freezes. any idea ?
[11:15] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: sure, but don't forget to make bug reports :)
[11:16] <Tm_T> kkathman: how your Kubuntu is working?
[11:16] <paines> I think a lib is missing. but I am not sure.
[11:18] <Firetech> konqueror (3.4.3 on breezy) looses all my bookmark icons on every reboot... strange... It's a good thing I don't reboot too often :P
[11:19] <DaSkreech> Can Amarok play  nsv?
[11:20] <Ayiden> okay why is 2.6.11 the latest kernel for breezy in the ubuntu pool... doesnt kubuntu 5.10 come with 2.6.12?
[11:20] <Ayiden> at http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[11:20] <Ayiden> its the latest
[11:21] <Ayiden> I cant din the new 5.10 kernel there...
[11:21] <Ayiden> find*
[11:21] <Ayiden> odd
[11:21] <Ayiden> ?
[11:21] <Ayiden> or am I just looking in the wrong place?
[11:22] <itay> hi! I upgraded to breezy, and I want to set the keyboard layout as I set in the older versions of KDE, but in this version the checkbox "include latin layout" in gray (uncheckable). what's the problem?
[11:22] <apokryphos> or....... it can
[11:22] <Ayiden> nothing can on 5.10 you have to download the mp3 codexes
[11:22] <apokryphos> yes
[11:23] <Ayiden> goto the kubuntu wesite its under the wiki
[11:23] <itay> I'm hearing mp3 using amarok right now!
[11:23] <Ayiden> and it comes with a set of instructions as well
[11:23] <Pixels-> okay gonna try this stuff i found
[11:23] <Pixels-> see if anything helps
[11:23] <Pixels-> bbiaf
[11:24] <Ayiden> anyone know why on http://packages.ubuntu.com/ the latest breezy kernel is 2.6.11 when the 2.6.12 kernel is used in breezy?
[11:24] <Ayiden> or am I mistaken about somthing
[11:24] <crimsun> huh?
[11:25] <crimsun> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/base/linux-image-386
[11:25] <Ayiden> what kernel is used in breezy?
[11:25] <crimsun> where are you getting 2.6.11?
[11:25] <itay> does anybody know what's the problem with the keyboard layout in the lastest version of KDE?
[11:25] <Firetech> Ayiden: 2.6.12 is used in breezy
[11:25] <Ayiden> thats what I thought
[11:25] <Ayiden> Package kernel-source-2.6.11
[11:25] <Ayiden> breezy (devel): Linux kernel source for version 2.6.11 with Debian patches [universe]  
[11:25] <Ayiden> 2.6.11-7: all
[11:26] <Ayiden> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/devel/kernel-source-2.6.11
[11:26] <crimsun> Ayiden: you're looking at the wrong package
[11:26] <crimsun> we use linux- as the prefix, not kernel-
[11:26] <Ayiden> I typed in kernel-source and got 2.6.11
[11:26] <paines> DaSkreech, not sure. but mplayer can
[11:26] <Ayiden> ah
[11:26] <Ayiden> dud
[11:26] <Ayiden> okay
[11:26] <Ayiden> well that helps
[11:26] <ernesto> I just got a new monitor and would like to reconfigure x to set it up how would I do that in breezy?
[11:27] <Ayiden> see I thought I was mistaken about somthing
[11:27] <crimsun> you are mistaken. :-)
[11:29] <MenZa`> Wow
[11:29] <MenZa`> I'm impressed
[11:29] <MenZa`> I just ran the livecd
[11:29] <MenZa`> Awesome OS
[11:30] <MenZa`> Very nice
[11:30] <MenZa`> Now I just need to format etc. to add a partition :D
[11:40] <kkathman> MenZa`: glad you like it...its a fine OS distro
[11:40] <Hobart> I can't get the Konsole Linux font working -- Tried Ubuntu Breezy on i386 and  Kubuntu Breezy on 3 machines (2 i386, 1 PPC) - I have enabled bitmap fonts in fontconfig, and updated the fontconfig cache.  Anyone know any other steps I can take to troubleshoot the font not working?
[11:40] <Hobart> I recall it worked in debian sarge :\
[11:41] <kkathman> Hobart, I'm not sure what the issue is from your description
[11:42] <Hobart> kkathman -> I launch Konsole, choose "New Linux Console", and it plays the glass breaking, says it can't load --full-long-name-of-the-font--- , and directs me to /usr/share/doc/konsole/README.Linux-font
[11:42] <Hobart> The two steps I took are the troubleshooting steps it recommends in that file
[11:43] <Hobart> And the package that has the font in question (xfonts-konsole) is installed
[11:43] <kkathman> hmmm
[11:43] <kkathman> I havent had any issues with my particular Konsole here
[11:43] <Hobart> You can launch a Linux console session with it?
[11:43] <kkathman> yes
[11:43] <kkathman> with Konsole right....not Terminal
[11:43] <Hobart> Definitely. 
[11:45] <kkathman> I assume you went to configure Konsole and all seems ok
[11:45] <Hobart> I *believe* it worked on Ubuntu Hoary, when I upgraded to Ubuntu Breezy is when it broke -- so I figured it might be upgrade related, so I did fresh Kubuntu Breezy install
[11:45] <MenZa`> There's no way to install on a partition that currently holds xp - right?
[11:45] <Hobart> Well, I get the error again if I attempt to choose the Linux font from the menus.
[11:46] <Hobart> MenZa` -> Not directly that I'm aware of.
[11:46] <MenZa`> Damnit, I didn't get an xp cd with my computer when I bought it
[11:46] <MenZa`> And I want to play games :\
[11:46] <Hobart> With XP installs that have the whole HD used by NTFS , I've used SuSE's installer to shrink the NTFS partition, then installed [DISTRO-OF-CHOICE] 
[11:46] <MenZa`> That works?
[11:46] <kkathman> Hobart: are you saying you cannot get to the COnfigure Konsole now?
[11:47] <Hobart> My luck using other distros installers to shrink NTFS has been much less, but I haven't tried in a year or two.
[11:47] <Hobart> kkathman -> Checking.
[11:48] <kkathman> Hobart: simply right click inside the Konsole window and go to settings and choose Configure Konsole
[11:48] <_justin> Is there somebody out there who can please take the time to help me install wine for kubuntu?
[11:48] <MenZa`> Hobart: I need a format anyway. Calling acer tomorrow.
[11:48] <MenZa`> 11:48pm now
[11:48] <Aapzak> thats my timezone
[11:48] <Aapzak> CET
[11:49] <Aapzak> _justin: never did that, Can't help you
[11:49] <DaSkreech> MenZa`: You can get by with a 5G secondary hard drive
[11:49] <MenZa`> Don't have that :d
[11:49] <ku_dude> jrjx: Hey dude you there?
[11:50] <Aapzak> MenZa`: xp is broken and you want to reinstall? and install linux?
[11:50] <Hobart> kkathman -> Configure Konsole comes up fine.  
[11:50] <ku_dude> anybody here get dual screen working on Ubuntu?
[11:50] <ku_dude> I have a ATI Radeon 8500
[11:50] <kkathman> Hobart: were you able to go to the font selection there and say, change the font?
[11:50] <MenZa`> XP Isn't broken.
[11:50] <MenZa`> Works fine
[11:50] <MenZa`> but I want linux :
[11:50] <MenZa`> :D
[11:50] <Aapzak> MenZa`: then what do you need xp cd for?
[11:50] <kkathman> Hobart: its under the Session tab
[11:51] <MenZa`> To reinstall XP
[11:51] <MenZa`> I don't have more than one partition
[11:51] <Aapzak> allright, and the Suse installer with partition resizer is nothing for you?
[11:52] <Hobart> kkathman -> I tried changing the Shell session's font to Linux, saved, and exited Konsole.  I get the glass-breaking sound and same error dialog when Konsole fires up.
[11:52] <MenZa`> Aapzak: My XP is a bit slow, reinstalling would help me a bit
[11:53] <Hobart> MenZa` -> You can probably speed it up w/o a reinstall, just make a new user profile.
[11:53] <Aapzak> MenZa`: aha, just cleaning up should help too ;) 
[11:53] <MenZa`> Link me to SuSE
[11:53] <MenZa`> :)
[11:53] <_david> Hello, I appologize in advance, I have never used IRC before, but I have a question about Ubuntu file system.  Is this the right place to ask?
[11:53] <Hobart> suse.com ?
[11:53] <Hobart> suse.de ?
[11:53] <Hobart> :)
[11:53] <MenZa`> .com methinks :D
[11:53] <Hobart> _david -> shoot
[11:53] <kkathman> Hobart: Interesting, here I change that font and restart, and it doesnt seem to make a difference...tho, mine works ok
[11:53] <Aapzak> I am not a suse user, would not know how to get it
[11:53] <Hobart> of course SuSE's archive system is really lousy now that Novell took over.  I like the Oregon university mirror
[11:54] <_david> I just installed Kubuntu and so far it is great!  But i was a little confused during the install and I'm not sure what file system I selected
[11:54] <ku_dude> anybody here knows if wine works with NTFS?
[11:54] <Hobart> kkathman -> right.  Mine's been broken on 3 different systems
[11:54] <_david> How can I find that information?
[11:54] <kkathman> Hobart: so, sounds like the Konsole program is pulling fonts from elsewhere than the config...odd???
[11:54] <puckman> Good evening.
[11:54] <Hobart> _david -> Open up a Konsole or Terminal session, and type "mount"
[11:54] <Aapzak> ku_dude: wine will read from ntfs 
[11:54] <puckman> Silly question but is there a flash plugin for konqueror?
[11:55] <kkathman> Hobart: you might try ascertaining the font its using...could be maybe some system font
[11:55] <_david> Done
[11:55] <puckman> Aapzak? gotta be dutch
[11:55] <puckman> lol
[11:55] <Aapzak> true puckman
[11:55] <Hobart> kkathman -> That's what I'm asking for help in doing. :)
[11:55] <puckman> same here
[11:55] <Aapzak> I thought so :)
[11:55] <ku_dude> Aapzak: When I press the DLL button or the Config.. it crashes...
[11:56] <puckman> DLL? aint that a winblows thing?
[11:56] <ku_dude> Aapzak: DO you know of a good link which speaks about system requirements and installation guide.
[11:56] <Aapzak> ku_dude: are we talking wine?
[11:57] <_david> Hobart: I have the mount info infront of me, what am I looking for?
[11:57] <ku_dude> Aapzak: Yes.
[11:57] <Hobart> puckman -> I've installed the mozilla flashplayer package, and just did a Konquereor "scan for plugins" from the Konq config menu, and can view Homestarrunner in Konq fine now
[11:57] <Aapzak> I'm one of those useless guys, know too little about too much
[11:57] <Hobart> _david -> did you choose to partition your whole hard disk as one volume?
[11:58] <ku_dude> Anybody here knows how to setup dual screens with an ATI Radeon 8500?
[11:59] <Hobart> _david -> For example, mine says "/dev/hda2 on / type reiserfs" , which means that my / volume, on partition #2 of my first IDE hard disk (hda) is resiserfs
[11:59] <_david> I'm not sure I understand that question, I have three partitions, one for the root, one for the sys and one for swap
[11:59] <Hobart> _david -> by default, Ubuntu will format your partitions as "ext3"
[11:59] <_david> Okay, I see that listed a few times
[11:59] <kkathman> Hobart: Im not sure, but I think you'll just need to go into the system settings, appearance, fonts and play with those and see if it makes a difference
[11:59] <_david> Is that a the optimal partition?
[11:59] <bobbyd> hi
[11:59] <Hobart> _david -> that's like asking if Ford or Chevy is the optimal American car
[12:00] <DaSkreech> _david: It's pretty good as a default
[12:00] <Hobart> kkathman -> Tried before asking. :(
[12:00] <bobbyd> how do I run the X setup again once I have it installed?
[12:00] <bobbyd> is there some reconfigure command?
[12:00] <Aapzak> _david: ext3 is just fine
[12:01] <Hobart> _david -> The main concern for most people is you want a filesystem that doesn't get corrupted badly if there's a power-off, ext3 handles that nicely
[12:01] <_david> I heard some where that resiserfs is the fastest file system?
[12:01] <puckman> Hobart: will try that, thanks!
[12:01] <Aapzak> unvoluntairy power-off I would say :)
[12:01] <bobbyd> _david: it supposedly is
[12:01] <Hobart> _david -> It is faster in some applications - honestly the average desktop user won't notice
[12:01] <bobbyd> _david: it says so on the reiserfs site
[12:02] <_david> Okay, sounds good - I love Kubuntu! :-)
[12:02] <Aapzak> its very nice
[12:02] <Hobart> I use reiserfs, and SuSE uses it by default, but the difference for day to day desktop use is probably <1sec
[12:02] <_david> Although one other thing, I'm trying to optomize this desktop so I use as little HDD accessing as possible - I have 2 gigs of RAM installed.