=== LaserJock [n=icechat5@ppp-69-229-206-79.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StoneTable [n=stone@c-24-14-85-48.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@d006050.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Diablo-D3 [i=diablod3@pool-70-105-255-181.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:22] hey all [01:22] is the branch for breezy+1 open yet? [01:22] I don't think so [01:22] I heard Tuesday, but I dont' know [01:23] blargh === Diablo-D3 needs apt-get updates! [01:23] make a sid chroot [01:23] by updates, I meant ones that wernt from sid ;) [01:23] sid is still soooo behind [01:24] you dont need to use the chroot [01:24] but thier VLC works ;P [01:24] just update it daily [01:24] for your fix [01:24] I dont use vlc [01:24] tseng: lol [01:24] yeah, I keep apt-get update but there is nothing. I am starting to get withdrawl symptoms ;-) [01:24] yargh, backports is dead [01:24] you could also all switch to gentoo [01:24] tseng: lol gentoo [01:24] updating daily is FUN [01:24] tseng: funroll-loops.org === Kyral WHACKS tseng with an Electrified Flaming Radioactive \____/-=== Frying Pan [01:24] figuring out how to fix it [01:24] even more fun [01:25] Thats for saying I should use Gentoo ;P [01:25] hrm [01:25] I wonder if breezy has a breezy-updates distro [01:25] er source [01:25] or whatever [01:25] yes === Diablo-D3 probably should grab from that [01:25] repo :-) [01:25] yes, repo [01:25] low caffiene === Diablo-D3 's light blinks [01:26] mmm caffeine [01:26] hmm [01:26] I wonder when I last drank something with caffeine in it :-P [01:26] Anyone know how to use Apt-Spy in Ubuntu? [01:26] its only grabbing Debian mirrors... [01:27] we dont need apt-spy [01:27] we dont have half a billion mirrors === daysleper [n=dayslepe@216-214-118.0501.adsl.tele2.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:27] lol [01:27] hmm [01:27] maybe I should remove dapper from my sources.list :-P === crimsun_ [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:27] I'm just waiting until my college syncs its Ubuntu Mirror back to Breezy [01:27] after some idiot wiped it out ;P [01:27] why do you even use your local mirror? [01:28] use us.archives.ubuntu.com or whatever [01:28] Because its on campus [01:28] within the LAN [01:28] bleh [01:28] 2 updated packages [01:28] how sad. [01:28] hence hyper quick speeds ;P [01:28] blah 2 worthless updates [01:28] just a version number bump [01:28] I should recompile my kernel again... [01:29] looks like us.archive.ubuntu.com is still in England. [01:29] IPTables is kinda gonky [01:29] it's necessary for smooth upgrades [01:29] lol [01:29] crimsun: Yeah I know [01:29] DAMNIT I NEED MORE UNSTABLE! === Diablo-D3 shakes [01:29] crimsun, didja look at the VLC data I sent you? [01:30] Kyral: I'm getting around to it; I know there's a possible fix from upstream svn [01:30] okay [01:30] trying to square away my own Breezy system atm [01:30] Xine is working for now... [01:30] I'm trying to make the most streamlined kernel I can for my system ;P [01:31] actually [01:31] all I want is a working lsm-realtime module [01:32] wow. [01:32] we have an avahi team :-P [01:32] a what who what now? [01:32] rock :-) [01:33] isn't Lathiat the upstream? ;-) [01:33] yes? :-) [01:33] Nafallo: what's avahi ? [01:34] whats breezy+1 called again? [01:34] dapper [01:34] sivang: http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/Avahi [01:34] :-) [01:34] oh yeah, thats right [01:34] dapper drake :-) [01:34] in the mean time === Diablo-D3 listens to Yoko Kanno, Warsaw Philiharmonic Orchestra & Chorus - Dance of Curse II [01:35] please dont do that in here [01:36] I wish I could edit what the chorus says [01:36] "Ubuntu! Ubuntu! Ubuntuuuu Liiiinuuuuuuxxxxx!" [01:36] tseng: shush, I was setting up the stage for a joke. [01:37] you can make jokes after you make useful contributions [01:37] thats my rule [01:37] :) [01:37] filing bugs are useful cotnrubtions. [01:37] ogra lives! [01:37] sure [01:38] and converting the known universe to ubuntu is a useful contribution too [01:38] i cared for \sh the whole weekend and relaxed a bit :) [01:38] great [01:39] I'm like a zambatou to gentoo's cavalry [01:39] sigh === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@pcp09354977pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:39] or a orbital bombardment to redhat's resistance === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:45] Kernel recompile GO [01:45] [01:46] Anyone know if enabling the "Use 4kb kernel stacks instead of 8kb" option has any performance impact? [01:46] it increases performance [01:46] niiiic [01:46] e [01:46] not as much as you think [01:46] I don't think I have any modules... [01:46] it allows the kernel to only allocate one memory block for the stack instead of 2. [01:47] after extended periods of time, memory sometimes becomes so fragmented that finding 2 continuous blocks of memory is hard [01:47] like if you don't reboot for a while [01:47] yeah [01:47] or you just trash memory a lot [01:47] which is good because my computer usually goes weeks without a reboot [01:48] you usually see this after months [01:48] I'm trying to make the slimmest kernel I can [01:49] that wont make it much slimmer. [01:49] the stock Ubuntu Kernels run about 50 MB (Kernel + Initrd + Modules) [01:49] yeah, which is unfortunate [01:49] I got mine down to about 7 MB (Kernel + Modules) last night [01:49] but the savings from 4kbstacks is less than a meg [01:49] you probably cant even measure it in 100k [01:50] this only effects kernel stacks, not userland stacks [01:50] iirc it effects stuff like the kernel's nfs server the most [01:51] which I/O Schedular should I use... [01:51] ubuntu chooses a good default. [01:51] all three are enabled thats why [01:51] they arent very big. === ajmitch returns [01:52] morning ajmitch :-) [01:52] remember, modules arent very big [01:53] wow, a great lack of useful discussion in here again :) [01:53] Its not about that [01:53] btw, how much memory do you have? [01:53] I just want to create a slimlined kernel [01:53] SYSTEM i686 Ubuntu (Debian) GNU/Linux, Kernel 2.6.13.4-GNUGenerationCustom, LIBC 2.3.5, GNU Bash Shell | CPU AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2700+, 2167Mhz, 256KB Cache, 4339 BMIPs | MEM 179/500MB RAM Used, 2/1333MB Swap Used | STORAGE 4.7GB ReiserFS, 6.5GB Ext3, 9.4GB ReiserFS, 10MB TmpFS, 154GB ReiserFS, 251MB TmpFS, 266GB ReiserFS, 603MB ISO9660 | STATS Uptime 0.73d, Users 1(2), Procs 91(27043), Load 0.46 | X11 1280x1024x24bit | http://au [01:53] then wtf. [01:53] tmpfs 1015M 13M 1002M 2% /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-k7/volatile [01:53] thats not 15 megs. [01:53] er not 50 [01:54] not the volitle ones [01:54] the Module dir itself for the kernel [01:54] except thats not loaded into memory. [01:55] or rather, it doesnt stay in memory [01:56] still [01:56] if I don't need it I don't want it ;P [01:56] -_- [01:56] I'm bored, sheesh... [01:56] then go use micro-ubuntu or something [01:57] nah [01:57] I have a ****load of diskspace === _jaldhar is now known as jaldhar === freeflying [n=rockie@61.190.65.15] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Diablo-D3 [i=diablod3@pool-70-105-255-181.port.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-084-059-064-213.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tifa [n=alucard@cpc3-cove3-5-1-cust39.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Diablo-D3 [i=diablod3@pool-70-105-255-181.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:25] okay, ignore what I said earlier [02:25] realtime does work now === NCC [n=dannyd@d154-20-92-147.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:30] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/realtime-lsm/+bug/2092 [02:30] can someone close that bug? [02:34] crapola [02:35] jack now hates realtime-lsm [02:41] ugh there we go === Diablo-D3 had to edit /etc/realtime [02:41] er /etc/default/realtime === marcin_ant [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=Linux@hamlin-157-2392.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo_ [n=slomo@p5487F912.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=Linux@hamlin-157-2399.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === wickedpuppy [n=wickedpu@cm25.epsilon165.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:18] Anyone know what kernel module Athereos based wireless cards use? === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-58-232.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=icechat5@ppp-69-229-206-79.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:57] airo i think [04:03] eh? === Amaranth [i=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:08] Heya gang [04:08] hey === Amaranth has an extremely prealpha version of smeg 0.8 done [04:09] it basically has everything 0.7.5 did, plus working with the System menu [04:09] cool [04:09] I'm cooling my jets until Dapper goes open [04:10] Hey if someone could like review my DCBU before like the end of the month (MIDTERM!) it would be cool. Then I could mark it as complete in time for the midterm grade ;P [04:10] hi bddebia, what's up? [04:11] *bddebian [04:11] it's the bddebian!! [04:12] hmm, I think I shall master IPTables and then create a (simple) frontend [04:12] will he grace us mortals with words? :) === Kyral WHACKS bddebian with an Electrified Flaming Radioactive \____/-=== Frying Pan [04:12] He should now ;P [04:12] Kyral: yeah, that's pretty silly [04:12] maybe we haven't made enough sacrifices ;-) [04:12] I know [04:12] but I get bored [04:13] Heya LaserJock [04:13] Damn, what'd I do now?? :-) [04:13] Oh that was just to get your attention ;P [04:13] If you had done something I would have pulled out my much more annoying and childish alias ;P [04:14] bddebian: it's either that or we humbly grovel at your feet [04:14] bddebian: I've got karma (33). Whoo hoo!! === ajmitch will be far far behind everyone in karma soon [04:15] ajmitch: not me [04:15] LaserJock: Nice, good work :) [04:15] ajmitch: baah, you probably have more than me already. [04:15] ajmitch: Grovel at my feet?? Hahahahaha :-) [04:16] I knew it! :-P [04:16] 27 more than me. [04:16] 17 Karma ;P [04:16] i'm pretty sure i have 0 launchpad karma [04:16] I've been busy with school stuff ;P [04:16] all the bugs i can deal with are in main :) === Nafallo is a translator aswell ;-) [04:16] psh bastard ;P === bddebian hasn't hit 1000 yet :-( [04:17] well, I kinda did it sneaky like. I found some bugs that were already fixed but I got to mark them fixed or rejected [04:17] I'll get to work this week :-) [04:17] lol [04:17] I scored my first changelog entry to ;P [04:17] all i know is english [04:17] considering that I'll be away for probably 1/4 of the dapper cycle at least, then I don't think it'll be any challenge to get more than I do === ajmitch might as well give up now :) [04:17] people who are listed as package maintainers should get extra points :) [04:17] heh [04:18] totally === _maydayjay_ [n=maydayja@ip101109.101.nas.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:19] ajmitch: Away?? [04:19] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/vlc/+bug/2772 <---Should I request this be fixed in upstream? [04:20] bddebian: yes, AWAY [04:20] ajmitch: Where ya going, if you don't mind me asking? [04:20] so I should give up on MOTUness [04:20] Kyral: well, it really needs more investigation [04:20] Lathiat, its confirmed. VERY confirmed ;P [04:20] bddebian: canadia, initially [04:21] then up north for christmas & a couple of weeks following [04:21] then LCA in late jan [04:21] Kyral: doesn't mean its not specific to us, try latest upstream, etc [04:21] the weeks add up [04:21] ajmitch: Dang.. :-) [04:21] Lathiat, I would, IF it would install [04:21] ajmitch: And I won't allow you to give up on MOTUness ;-P [04:21] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/vlc/+bug/3191 <--- Should I mark as Rejected? [04:21] ajmitch: You are my Master after all ;-) [04:21] bddebian: we have approx 25 week development cycle, and I'll be away for at least 7 [04:21] bddebian: no, I'm the master of nothing [04:22] is .desktop files not going to be on the MOTU meeting agenda? [04:22] ajmitch: No, you are the Master of The Universe ;-P [04:22] LaserJock: add it if you want [04:23] LaserJock: if it's something you think we need to talk about at a meeting [04:23] Kyral: #2772 has not been fixed upstream. [04:23] ajmitch: was it discussed last time? I see that the agenda changed. I though it was on the next one [04:23] Kyral: #3191 will NOT be fixed anytime soon, because it's a wxwidgets2.6 issue. [04:23] so should I request fix in upstream? [04:23] bddebian: I'm not worthy of the MOTU title :) [04:23] so 2772 = Upstream Fix and 3191 = Rejected? [04:23] ajmitch: bah, you're going ubuntu.com ;-) [04:24] crimsun: excuse me? [04:24] ajmitch: aren't you joining the core dev team? [04:24] ajmitch: Oh stop it, you're starting to sound like me :-) [04:24] bddebian: precisely! [04:24] crimsun: joined, but what difference does that make? [04:24] ajmitch: I think that speaks a bit about "worthiness" ;-) [04:25] crimsun: and all of us motus have ubuntu.com addresses (or should) [04:25] ajmitch: yeah, I meant ubuntu.com->core dev team [04:25] sorry, kinda slow tonight === nybble [n=nybble@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/nybble] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:26] if no one has any objections I'm gonna mark those as I said I would... [04:26] Kyral: it's fine by me. [04:26] (I would have rejected all complaints about it being compiled against wxwindows2.4 anyhow) === bddebian doesn't have ubuntu.com address === Nafallo bzr branches mercurial :-) [04:27] bddebian: not a member? [04:27] crimsun: right, and core dev team != employed, of course :) [04:27] ajmitch: true [04:28] done [04:28] ajmitch: but I think it still speaks to your worthyness of the MOTU title ;-) [04:28] should I change its status in Ubuntu to closed or... [04:29] for 2772 [04:29] just leave it. [04:29] kk [04:29] we can't do anything about it currently anyhow. [04:30] this laptop needs more ram :-/ [04:30] Nafallo: what, it only has 1GB? [04:30] Lathiat: Yes, I'm a member :-) [04:30] indeed [04:30] yes, I feel so sorry for you Nafallo [04:30] bddebian: are you in the ubuntu members launchpad group/ [04:30] bddebian: if so, you should have an @ubuntu.com [04:30] bddebian: mine doesn't work either due to my GPG key being sign-only :-) [04:30] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/libtrash/+bug/2702 <---Wishlist anyone? [04:30] crimsun: thats fixed (so im told) [04:30] LaserJock: he's not [04:31] s/laserjock/lathiat/ [04:31] Lathiat: I keep trying, and it keeps giving me the lovely red oops page. [04:31] hm ok [04:31] Lathiat: so as I've told him, he needs to bug a CC member :) [04:32] bddebian: I think the sab is alive... :-) [04:32] Lathiat: I'm not in the launchpad group apparently [04:32] apparently you suck then ;p [04:32] Nafallo: The sab? [04:33] bddebian: so get in the group [04:33] bddebian: sabdfl [04:33] Lathiat: Yeah, pretty much [04:33] Nafallo: Ah [04:33] bddebian: you're not cool if you're not in the group [04:33] bddebian: go bug him :-) [04:33] ajmitch: I don't need to be in the group to get things done apparently :-) [04:33] yes, I'm sure sabdfl will welcome a break from getting soyuz ready by tuesday [04:33] heh [04:33] :-) [04:33] hows that going anyway? [04:34] getting there [04:34] Lathiat: like I said... he's still awake ;-) [04:34] heh [04:34] 09:51 < SteveA_> sabdfl: we gonna see some soyuz action om monday? [04:34] guess i wont pester him then ;p [04:34] 09:52 < sabdfl> SteveA_: err.. lots of test failures [04:34] hehe :-) [04:34] soyuz? WTF is soyuz? === bddebian thought it was a Russian spacecraft [04:34] bddebian: launchpad infrastructure for package building etc [04:34] it is [04:34] so it's coming close [04:34] launchpad [04:34] soyuz [04:35] i dunno what malone is [04:35] bddebian: yes, one that sabdfl rode on === freeflying [n=rockie@61.190.65.15] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:35] Ahh [04:36] on his little trip up to space === TiMiDo [n=ubuntu@unaffiliated/timido] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:36] soyuz is the thing the takes off from launchpad ;) [04:37] hey everyone, i want to get involved, in the ubuntu community where do i star from? [04:38] woo [04:38] start from wiki/MOTU [04:38] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU === Kyral wonders when he should apply for Ubuntu Membership [04:41] Kyral: when you have a number of contributions over a period of time [04:41] yah, but when is enough :P [04:41] membership? right away. [04:41] MOTUship needs more involvement, like ajmitch said [04:42] crimsun: I dunno, membership also needs a sustained contribution [04:42] How many bugs do I have squish, how many packages do I need to fix [04:42] ok at was reading there and i already signed in on the launchpad what else do i do? [04:42] all of mine :) [04:42] ajmitch: fair 'nuff, I'm still in the fast-track frame of mind [04:43] what else do i do? [04:43] crimsun: I remember some highly active now-MOTUs who were turned down at CC the first time because they'd only been working a couple of weeks === bddebian raises his hand :-) [04:44] bddebian: were you turned down at CC? [04:44] TiMiDo: With what area are you interested in helping? [04:45] testing, programming or write docs, [04:45] or whatever i can do [04:45] ajmitch: First time yes. They said come back in two weeks :) [04:45] TiMiDo: pick out some things you want to do. Make sure you document them on a wiki page. [04:46] the MOTU team does packaging & fixing of universe packages [04:46] if that's the area you want to start in [04:46] crimsun; oh i'm not really good with wiki =) [04:47] Someone clear out REVU...'P [05:04] w00t! [05:05] seems like we are getting Karma for uploads soon :-P [05:06] Nafallo: well yeah [05:06] that was intended from the beginning [05:06] so that bddebian can be top of the karma table [05:06] hehe [05:07] lol anyway :-P [05:07] wow [05:07] 7 points for non-FTBFS ;-) [05:08] Do you have to be in the MOTU Group? [05:08] Kyral: to upload? [05:08] to upload? [05:08] for uploads you need to be in the ubuntu developers group [05:08] yah (Not to REVU) [05:08] Heh [05:09] team membership will control who uploads for dapper [05:09] which team... [05:09] so the tech board would have to approve you joining that group [05:09] ubuntu-dev, as I said [05:09] okay [05:10] sorry I just like fainted kinda [05:10] http://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-dev [05:10] Yah I'm a part of Ubuntu Users [05:11] unlike ubuntu users, this one has some significance for uploads :) [05:11] I know/// [05:11] I need to be a Member first right? === nybble [n=nybble@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/nybble] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [05:11] yes [05:12] yah so I'll be content to smash bugs and make packages for REVU in the time being ;P [05:12] member first at a CC meeting [05:12] MOTU next at a TB meeting [05:12] then main uploader at TB as well [05:12] I think I became member and MOTU with a week inbetween ;-) [05:13] Nafallo: some got them at the same meeting [05:13] when it was really fast-tracked [05:13] I'm going to cite my work as a MOTU-In Training when I go for Member Power [05:13] ajmitch: yea, buts that's only wrong :-P [05:13] Kyral: what work have you done? === Amaranth became a member without even attending the CC meeting [05:13] and i haven't been to one since [05:13] Smashed bugs mostly [05:14] Amaranth: hehe. you where on all before that one, right? ;-) [05:14] A lot of stuff in UbuntuForums [05:14] Nafallo: Almost every single one, no matter what time. [05:14] :-) [05:14] Kyral: what bugs have you fixed? [05:14] there you got hen [05:14] s/t\ /\ t/ [05:14] It was summer, I was staying awake 24 hours at a time and sleeping 16. :D [05:15] I'm trying to find my activity track === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:16] hey jsgotangco [05:16] morning [05:16] Kyral: I just haven't seen many sponsored uploadss for you to fix bugs :) [05:17] Sponsored Uploads? Like for REVU? [05:17] like uploads to ubuntu [05:17] I don't have those kinda rights yet [05:18] Kyral: I said sponsored uploads [05:18] which means that a MOTU uploaded something you had done [05:18] ajmitch, i was cleaning up my key this weekend, you didn't sign my key hehe or forgot to send it [05:18] Mez is supposed to upload this one for me soon... [05:18] https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/3129 [05:19] jsgotangco: that's probably right [05:19] jsgotangco: I probably still have your key fingerprint in my old laptop bag :) [05:19] noone can upload now :-P === Nafallo dputs his server ;-) [05:20] heh no rush, i'm catching up on fingerprints lately [05:20] I've mainly been going around confirming, changing priority, whatnot. Its rare that I have time to actually build something as of late (school..) [05:20] right [05:20] Check the Universe Bugs mailing list. Name's Chris Peterman ;P [05:21] not sure what criteria the CC will use, but you want to have as much as possible done to apply for membership :) [05:21] Yah I know [05:21] yes, I've been busy on that list as well ;) [05:21] I have a new package sitting in REVU limbo right now === ajmitch sees > 200 items on universe-bugs for myself [05:22] lol [05:22] During semester break it will pick up for me [05:22] I tend to do more tech support while on UbuntuForums ;P [05:23]