| ogra | viator, follow the notes http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes ;) | 12:05 |
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| ogra | they are written for a one NIC setup | 12:05 |
| mhz | ogra: will it be of any use I show up in UBZ_ | 12:08 |
| mhz | ? | 12:08 |
| mhz | or it's most oriented towards developers only | 12:08 |
| mhz | ? | 12:08 |
| ajmitch_ | quite developer-oriented | 12:09 |
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| mhz | thx | 12:10 |
| sven-tek | Hi ogra, Einladung zum Linux Tag Essen angekommen? | 12:10 |
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| ogra | sven-tek, yes, thanks... | 12:16 |
| sven-tek | thats good, i had to leave so i told the team to send it | 12:17 |
| ogra | sorry, havent answered yet, busy day today | 12:18 |
| sven-tek | today a teacher asked if he can tell about his experiences with linux in schools - but i think he uses skole linux | 12:18 |
| viator | wheres a good place to find network boot floppy | 12:19 |
| ogra | most likely... | 12:19 |
| mhz | sven-tek: skole linux, edubuntu, edulinux.. whatever input is a start for other people to see gnulinux on education is a wise alternative | 12:19 |
| ogra | viator, http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientWithoutPxe | 12:21 |
| ogra | :) | 12:21 |
| viator | there is no os on this box right now but i know its a linksys lne100tx im not sure which rom to pick i can guess i guess | 12:28 |
| viator | its tulip | 12:28 |
| ogra | i'D guess so | 12:28 |
| crimsun | yep, tulip | 12:29 |
| ogra | (that you can guess) | 12:29 |
| viator | but theres a bunch of em | 12:29 |
| crimsun | I have a bunch of those nics in another box | 12:29 |
| sven-tek | bevore we got that offer to use the unperfekthaus in essen, my idea was to go to schools and promote linux there. So i think linux in schools is very important, you guys are doing an important job. | 12:29 |
| viator | theres one that says rl100tx | 12:30 |
| viator | gotta be it | 12:30 |
| ogra | sven-tek, absolutely... | 12:32 |
| viator | whats the best fromat to choose for the floppy? .zdsk or .ispo i thought floppy images where .img? lol | 12:34 |
| ogra | i'm not really familiar with etherboot ... Yagisan could tell ... | 12:35 |
| viator | your servers are pretty quick im downloading the edubuntu iso @ about 200 kb/s | 12:36 |
| ogra | cool :) | 12:37 |
| viator | i figured it out .zdsk | 12:37 |
| viator | then cat eb-5.4.1-tulip.zdsk > /dev/fd0 | 12:39 |
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| viator | dd if=bootfloppy.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=512 conv=sync ; sync like that? | 12:41 |
| ogra | yup | 12:41 |
| viator | lol now all i need to do is find some floppies i only have one laying around that ive written to like a million times | 12:43 |
| ogra | heh, i know that prob | 12:43 |
| viator | sound is a pin in the arse right? | 12:43 |
| viator | dont really need it on these anyway | 12:44 |
| ogra | its not implemented yet... | 12:44 |
| viator | yeah i remember when i messed with ltsp on debian | 12:44 |
| ogra | so you'd have to set up something like nas or esd over network | 12:44 |
| viator | can you boot from a wirless card? | 12:45 |
| ogra | but all current solutions are ugly and not really the last in safety | 12:45 |
| viator | using a cdrom or somthing | 12:45 |
| ogra | if you find a bootrom for it, yes...i heard of wlan cards that can do that, but havent seen one myself yet | 12:45 |
| viator | i guess theres a wireless_ltsp boot floppy | 12:51 |
| viator | i asked on #ltsp | 12:51 |
| ogra | yes, i see it.. | 12:51 |
| ogra | but that means you boot the kernel fro the floppy... could get hairy, breezy ltsp needs 2.6.12 ... | 12:52 |
| ogra | but try it, probably it works... | 12:53 |
| viator | yeah the wirless stuff is on here http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=17723..section | 01:01 |
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| mhz | pitux: read me_ | 01:30 |
| mhz | ? | 01:30 |
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| pitux | mhz_cooking i need talk with you | 01:40 |
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| mhz_cooking | pitux: ping | 02:10 |
| mhz_cooking | http://www.decom-uv.cl/ | 02:10 |
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| mhz | jsgotangco: welcome | 03:41 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 03:42 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: btw, I could finally use Edubuntu clients with KDE and WindowMaker | 03:53 |
| mhz | it was just a matter of ltsp-update-sshkeys | 03:53 |
| jsgotangco | wow | 03:54 |
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| === jsgotangco has been busy with talks | ||
| === mhz has to and wants to | ||
| === mhz starts talks tomorrow :) | ||
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| mhz | hmmm, I wonder if running Edubuntu server, and on top of that I use PearPC, and on top, I run a licensed OSX, Will I be ilegally using OSX on many clients? | 04:07 |
| dabaR | JaneW: Yes, thank you, I got logged in.(This message in reply to when you asked about whether I am sorted now(in reply to your previous enquiry, if you prefer to be formal:)) | 04:23 |
| dabaR | I think Edubuntu has a great set of icons. | 04:27 |
| dabaR | I was thinking, at universities, they have usually intro to computers courses, and in Windows, plus the stuff they teach them is too easy even for that course. We need a intro to computers - Linux. | 04:29 |
| crimsun | interestingly enough, they teach intro to computers courses at my university on Digital UNIX, heh | 04:33 |
| crimsun | pretty much everything is UNIX- or Linux-based | 04:34 |
| dabaR | Really? | 04:35 |
| dabaR | Well, at my U they teach in windows. | 04:36 |
| dabaR | Pretty much everything in teh CS program, or in that course? | 04:36 |
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| corvax | ive got edubuntu installed now how do i set it up as terminal server? | 05:53 |
| mhz | corvax: just reboot your clients already set to boot via PXE in Bios | 05:54 |
| mhz | corvax: and be sure you /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf is correct | 05:54 |
| corvax | i ran the ltspconfig to see what was up and it showed dhcp wasnt running | 05:55 |
| mhz | corvax: afaik, you should run nothing. it all should work out of the box if you followed InstallNotes on the wiki | 05:55 |
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| corvax | well i burned iso and just did all the defaults | 05:56 |
| mhz | corvax: good | 05:56 |
| corvax | it asked for my ip i gave it to it | 05:56 |
| mhz | did you also read Install Notes? | 05:56 |
| mhz | corvax: what ip you provided? | 05:56 |
| corvax | 192.168.1.102 | 05:57 |
| mhz | corvax: ok, now see /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and make sure your network settings correspond to the real one | 05:58 |
| corvax | ok | 05:59 |
| corvax | nope | 06:00 |
| mhz | ? | 06:00 |
| corvax | it looks like a default | 06:00 |
| corvax | you have place for paste | 06:01 |
| mhz | so, replace values to match real ones | 06:01 |
| mhz | here | 06:01 |
| mhz | shoot | 06:01 |
| corvax | well it has 192.168.0.0 255.255.255.0 etc | 06:02 |
| mhz | that is incorrect then | 06:02 |
| corvax | so i need to replace all 0's with ones | 06:02 |
| mhz | yes | 06:02 |
| mhz | 192.168.1.xxx | 06:03 |
| mhz | of course :) | 06:03 |
| corvax | do i comment out the domain i dont really need it | 06:04 |
| mhz | yes | 06:04 |
| corvax | authoritative; | 06:05 |
| corvax | subnet 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.1 { | 06:05 |
| corvax | range 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.250; | 06:05 |
| corvax | #option domain-name "example.com"; | 06:05 |
| corvax | option domain-name-servers 192.168.1.1; | 06:05 |
| corvax | option broadcast-address 192.168.1.255; | 06:05 |
| corvax | option routers 192.168.1.1; | 06:05 |
| corvax | option subnet-mask 255.255.255.1; | 06:05 |
| corvax | filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0"; | 06:05 |
| corvax | option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386"; | 06:05 |
| corvax | } | 06:05 |
| corvax | thats what it looks like now | 06:06 |
| mhz | subnet 192.168.1.0 instead | 06:06 |
| mhz | range 192.168.1.x higher than option routers | 06:07 |
| mhz | option subentmask 255.255.255.0 | 06:07 |
| mhz | for this try, please #out option router | 06:07 |
| mhz | duh | 06:08 |
| mhz | duh #out | 06:08 |
| mhz | dont #out | 06:08 |
| mhz | option routers Are you sure there's another router with that ip? | 06:08 |
| corvax | my routers has the ip 192.168.1.1 | 06:09 |
| corvax | which is the default gateway | 06:09 |
| mhz | ok, then | 06:09 |
| corvax | that option is for extra router? | 06:10 |
| mhz | if you have a server + router + clients | 06:10 |
| mhz | it is most likely router will stop you dhcpd from server becaus emost routers have dhcp in them | 06:10 |
| corvax | yes servers is connected to a router and the router one port is connected to a switch | 06:10 |
| corvax | and clients connected to switch | 06:11 |
| mhz | (at least that happened to me until i got a switch and all got well) | 06:11 |
| corvax | well ill just hook it to the switch | 06:11 |
| corvax | no prob | 06:11 |
| mhz | ok | 06:11 |
| mhz | then /etc/init.d/dhcpd restart and let's see | 06:12 |
| mhz | reboot a client :D | 06:12 |
| dabaR | So the ltsp is enabled by default on all versions of Ubuntu, right? | 06:12 |
| mhz | nop | 06:13 |
| mhz | only in Edubuntu | 06:13 |
| dabaR | Does it come with the desktop? no, right? The whole thing has to be an Edubuntu install. | 06:13 |
| mhz | yep | 06:14 |
| mhz | unless you wanna do it all manually :) | 06:14 |
| dabaR | And, you just network a computer onto your Edubuntu, and make it boot from that PXE thing you said above, make a small config tweak, and it works? | 06:15 |
| corvax | i have no dhcpd in /etc/init.d/ | 06:15 |
| mhz | dabaR: yes | 06:15 |
| mhz | corvax: are you sure you installed Edubuntu and not just Ubuntu? | 06:15 |
| corvax | YES | 06:16 |
| corvax | lol | 06:16 |
| corvax | im new but not THAT new | 06:16 |
| dabaR | nice, Ive wanted to try ltsp for a while now. I think ever since I learned about Unix in the first place, cause where I learned about it they had some setup like that. | 06:16 |
| corvax | im looking at the desktop with the edubuntu logo and the funny lookin kid | 06:17 |
| mhz | corvax: hehe. I am not new but I had a I_still_dont_know_how_issue in which I swear I installed edubuntu but it turns out I did had not. | 06:18 |
| corvax | well whats the best way to tell besides that | 06:18 |
| corvax | i know | 06:19 |
| mhz | apt-get install edubuntu-server | 06:19 |
| mhz | :D | 06:19 |
| corvax | lol | 06:19 |
| corvax | no ill do apt-cache policy edubuntu-desktop ? right | 06:19 |
| mhz | ok | 06:19 |
| mhz | but you need server :) | 06:20 |
| corvax | edubuntu-desktop: | 06:20 |
| corvax | Installed: 0.32 | 06:20 |
| corvax | Candidate: 0.32 | 06:20 |
| corvax | Version table: | 06:20 |
| corvax | *** 0.32 0 | 06:20 |
| corvax | 500 cdrom://Edubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Release i386 (20051012) breezy/main Packages | 06:20 |
| corvax | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status | 06:20 |
| corvax | 0.05 0 | 06:20 |
| corvax | 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages | 06:20 |
| mhz | but you need server :) | 06:21 |
| corvax | its installed | 06:21 |
| corvax | it says] | 06:21 |
| corvax | version 0.32 as well | 06:22 |
| corvax | i ALWAYS have goofy shit like this happen to me | 06:22 |
| corvax | NOTHING ever "just works" | 06:22 |
| mhz | corvax: I do have same output | 06:23 |
| mhz | BUT, believe me | 06:23 |
| mhz | if i do apt-get install edubuntu-desktop, it willtry to install 18 MB | 06:23 |
| mhz | however, | 06:23 |
| mhz | apt-get install edubuntu-server is ALREADY installed :D | 06:24 |
| mhz | and policy gives me 'installed' for both | 06:24 |
| corvax | id have todo apt-get --purge remove | 06:24 |
| mhz | why?? | 06:24 |
| corvax | cuase its there already | 06:25 |
| mhz | nop | 06:25 |
| corvax | so how can i install it | 06:25 |
| corvax | when apt wont let me | 06:25 |
| mhz | did you type apt-get install edubuntu-server? | 06:25 |
| corvax | yeah | 06:25 |
| mhz | and the putput? | 06:25 |
| corvax | edubuntu-server is already the newest version. | 06:25 |
| corvax | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 06:25 |
| mhz | hmmmm weired | 06:26 |
| mhz | dont' purge, please | 06:27 |
| corvax | Service Installed Enabled Running Notes | 06:28 |
| corvax | dhcpd Yes Yes no Version 3 | 06:28 |
| corvax | tftpd Yes Yes Yes Has '-s' flag | 06:28 |
| corvax | portmapper Yes Yes Yes | 06:28 |
| corvax | nfs Yes Yes Yes | 06:28 |
| corvax | xdmcp no no no Using: none! | 06:28 |
| mhz | do you have /opt? | 06:29 |
| mhz | do you have /etc/ltsp? | 06:29 |
| corvax | yes | 06:29 |
| mhz | can you paste your /etc/inetd.conf? | 06:29 |
| mhz | the line for tftp | 06:29 |
| corvax | tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot | 06:31 |
| mhz | that's ok | 06:32 |
| mhz | finally, /etc/ltsp/ is empty? | 06:32 |
| corvax | no | 06:32 |
| mhz | so can you make sure there are no IP written on /etc/dhcp3/dchpd.conf? and if so, let's make a new dhcpd.conf under /etc/ltps/ | 06:33 |
| corvax | dhcpd.conf | 06:33 |
| mhz | so the only missing file is under /etc/init.d/ ?? | 06:33 |
| corvax | yeah | 06:33 |
| corvax | and i havent touched it | 06:33 |
| corvax | honest | 06:33 |
| mhz | hmmm | 06:34 |
| mhz | let me give you mine | 06:34 |
| mhz | if that's ok | 06:34 |
| corvax | well i | 06:35 |
| corvax | have dhcp3-server | 06:35 |
| corvax | but no single dhcpd | 06:36 |
| corvax | under there | 06:36 |
| mhz | duh!!! | 06:36 |
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| mhz | that file | 06:36 |
| mhz | is ok | 06:36 |
| mhz | please restart it | 06:36 |
| mhz | LOL | 06:36 |
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| corvax | hmmm | 06:38 |
| corvax | how do i | 06:38 |
| corvax | it says command not found | 06:38 |
| corvax | bare with me now | 06:38 |
| corvax | lol | 06:38 |
| dabaR | I knew it was that! | 06:39 |
| mhz | dabaR: _ | 06:39 |
| mhz | ? | 06:39 |
| dabaR | I was just quiet cause I was not sure. | 06:39 |
| dabaR | the dhcpd folder. | 06:39 |
| mhz | corvax: sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server stop | 06:39 |
| mhz | corvax: sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start | 06:39 |
| mhz | corvax: sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart | 06:40 |
| mhz | 1st: start | 06:40 |
| mhz | 2nd: restart | 06:40 |
| mhz | corvax: that is not found_ | 06:40 |
| mhz | ? | 06:40 |
| corvax | ok | 06:40 |
| corvax | got it | 06:40 |
| corvax | it says dhcp3 is running now | 06:42 |
| mhz | please reboot now | 06:42 |
| corvax | reboot? | 06:42 |
| mhz | and cross your fingersa | 06:42 |
| corvax | lol | 06:42 |
| mhz | lol | 06:42 |
| mhz | i mean, boot the clients | 06:42 |
| corvax | thought you only had to reboot if you recompiled kernel | 06:42 |
| mhz | and cross your fingers | 06:42 |
| corvax | in linux | 06:42 |
| corvax | hehe | 06:43 |
| corvax | 1 sec | 06:43 |
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| mhz | D | 06:43 |
| mhz | :D | 06:43 |
| corvax | hey i never configured hosts aloow deny etc | 06:43 |
| corvax | i knoew i had to do it before | 06:43 |
| mhz | who cares | 06:43 |
| mhz | nop | 06:43 |
| mhz | why_ | 06:43 |
| mhz | you installed edubuntu | 06:44 |
| mhz | or ubuntu? | 06:44 |
| corvax | none of those silly configs | 06:44 |
| corvax | have to be done | 06:44 |
| mhz | none | 06:44 |
| corvax | only dhcp? | 06:44 |
| mhz | long live to Ogra!!! | 06:44 |
| mhz | yes | 06:44 |
| corvax | sweet | 06:44 |
| mhz | indeed | 06:44 |
| mhz | dabaR: you too cross your fingers :D | 06:44 |
| dabaR | ok | 06:46 |
| mhz | hehe | 06:46 |
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| mhz | corvax: so_ | 06:50 |
| mhz | ? | 06:51 |
| mhz | success? | 06:51 |
| mhz | corvax: i need to separate my fingers, can I? | 06:56 |
| corvax | no that ugly ass windows boot screen | 06:56 |
| corvax | now this is how i have it | 06:56 |
| corvax | hooked up | 06:56 |
| corvax | i have the server hooked to switch i have clients hooked to switch | 06:57 |
| corvax | and i have the uplink from switch | 06:57 |
| corvax | hooked to router for internet | 06:57 |
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| mhz | corvax: the 1st sentence does not let me understand the situation. success? fail? | 07:00 |
| corvax | it didnt oxe boot | 07:01 |
| corvax | pxe | 07:01 |
| corvax | it went to harddrive | 07:01 |
| mhz | if fail, any chance you could try crossover cable or no router? | 07:01 |
| corvax | i went into bios and set it to boot from lan | 07:01 |
| corvax | well id loose internet i guess the only reason i have router is for wireless | 07:02 |
| corvax | anyway | 07:02 |
| mhz | hehehe | 07:02 |
| mhz | for the 'try' purpose, please? | 07:02 |
| Yagisan | sorry - could you quickly summarise the error | 07:03 |
| corvax | ok ill unhook it now ill be disconnected for a bit | 07:03 |
| mhz | corvax: i dont wanna go to bed befor i get to know if server is ok | 07:03 |
| mhz | educool! | 07:03 |
| mhz | Yagisan: still no error | 07:03 |
| mhz | Yagisan: corvax has a router in the middle | 07:03 |
| mhz | remember I had exact same problem? | 07:04 |
| Yagisan | yes, I remember that | 07:04 |
| mhz | once I did not use the router, edubuntu worked perfectly | 07:04 |
| mhz | so, we are trying to 1st see if edubuntu runs | 07:04 |
| mhz | once we know that, he can move on with local net settings | 07:05 |
| Yagisan | corvax: Most "routers" sold to the home and small business markets are a nat device, primarily designed to share an internet connection | 07:05 |
| Yagisan | corvax: they are not true routers | 07:05 |
| mhz | exactly | 07:06 |
| Yagisan | corvax: hence, you will be unable to use them as a true router | 07:06 |
| === mhz learned that from Yagisan | ||
| mhz | := | 07:06 |
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| dabaR | Yagisan: nice sentence^ | 07:33 |
| Yagisan | dabaR: thanks | 07:33 |
| Yagisan | dabaR: unfortunately it's all true, and really should be put on the wiki | 07:34 |
| dabaR | off course, it is true, I like how you put it nicely, puts my thoughts about the whole issue nicely together... | 07:35 |
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| highvoltage | JaneW: wb | 09:00 |
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| JaneW | highvoltage: thanks | 09:03 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: not sure why my line descides to drop randomly.... | 09:04 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: telkom-- | 09:05 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: say no more... ;) | 09:05 |
| ball | Mine used to do that, but a different modem fixed the problem. | 09:06 |
| JaneW | ball: this is a 'Hell'kom supplied ADSL modem/router goodie | 09:07 |
| ball | I'm not familiar with Telkom, but I get the gist. | 09:07 |
| ball | routers generally suck, and I'm not that keen on integrated modems. | 09:09 |
| ball | If the modem breaks, you have to throw away a perfectly good router. If the router breaks... I'd prefer a router with a PC-Card or Cardbus slot so that I could pop in whatever interface suited my needs that year. | 09:12 |
| ball | POTS, ISDN, terrestrial wireless etc. | 09:13 |
| ball | Commercial routers have a tendancy to be evil anyway. | 09:16 |
| ball | I'll shut up now ;-) | 09:16 |
| JaneW | ball: agreed | 09:19 |
| ball | Which bit? About me shutting up? :-) | 09:20 |
| JaneW | ball: LOL | 09:22 |
| JaneW | ball: I was agreeing with your comments about routers and modems :) | 09:22 |
| ball | Ah good, now I don't feel quite so bad ;-) | 09:23 |
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| ball | wb pere | 09:54 |
| pere | thanks. :) | 09:57 |
| jsgotangco | hi JaneW | 09:59 |
| JaneW | hi jsgotangco | 09:59 |
| jsgotangco | what's give me something to work on soonish....im almost done with the cookbook.... | 09:59 |
| JaneW | cool! | 10:03 |
| jsgotangco | :P | 10:04 |
| jsgotangco | cool won't cut it i need it to be reviewed soon | 10:04 |
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| JaneW | :) | 10:07 |
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| ball | hello apokryphos | 10:09 |
| apokryphos | hello | 10:09 |
| ball | Bed time, I must go. :-/ | 10:09 |
| apokryphos | 'night | 10:10 |
| ball | Goodnight all | 10:10 |
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| ogra | morning | 11:35 |
| jsgotangco | ogra, hi | 11:35 |
| JaneW | er can we get in the 'free stationery' business please? | 11:37 |
| jsgotangco | mmm? | 11:38 |
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| jsgotangco | im not getting you | 11:39 |
| JaneW | it's EXPENSIVE | 11:40 |
| jsgotangco | ohh you mean ubuntu going into free stationaries | 11:41 |
| JaneW | yes :) | 11:42 |
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| MenZa` | lol | 11:42 |
| JaneW | maybe I wasn;t clear | 11:42 |
| JaneW | or outlaw the pencil and paper | 11:42 |
| JaneW | all work on wikis! | 11:42 |
| ajmitch_ | hah | 11:42 |
| ajmitch_ | educate the kids on wikis as early as possible | 11:42 |
| jsgotangco | evil | 11:43 |
| jsgotangco | id rather have my child learn to write :P | 11:43 |
| ajmitch_ | so would I, if I had children :) | 11:44 |
| jsgotangco | its easy to have one if you desire such... | 11:44 |
| ajmitch_ | not right at the moment, thanks | 11:45 |
| jsgotangco | i was teaching my kid last weekend to play scrabble | 11:45 |
| jsgotangco | so she could learn simple words and spell them | 11:45 |
| JaneW | good idea | 11:46 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 11:47 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 11:47 |
| ajmitch_ | except she kept beating you? ;) | 11:47 |
| jsgotangco | a year ago i taught her to play dice so she could count | 11:47 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: poker next? ;) | 11:47 |
| jsgotangco | yeah except when I added the words "Encyclopedia" and "Ziggurat" heh | 11:48 |
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| ajmitch_ | JaneW: nah, mao :) | 11:48 |
| JaneW | ajmitch_: indeed! | 11:48 |
| JaneW | for deductive reasoning... | 11:48 |
| JaneW | and pure insanity | 11:48 |
| jsgotangco | more like intimidation... | 11:48 |
| jsgotangco | we've been buying a lot of simple board games lately, trying my best to avoid using a computer or a videogame to teach as much as posible... | 11:51 |
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| Yagisan | oh ? I've been trying to teach my little girl to use a computer | 11:56 |
| Yagisan | it's a lot harder to pull apart for her | 11:56 |
| jsgotangco | oh its not a problem on our home, my girl prefers to use a real laptop rather than her toy one | 11:56 |
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| jsgotangco | i've bought her a toy computer worth $100 and it just self-destruct after a few kiddie torture | 11:57 |
| Yagisan | I need more robust toys - I think my little girl is an engineer | 11:58 |
| jsgotangco | my problem at th e moment is her gameboy | 11:58 |
| Yagisan | She always is giving me "spare" parts | 11:58 |
| jsgotangco | she won't do her kumon lessons before playing at least an hour | 11:58 |
| Yagisan | kumon ? isn't that cram school ? | 12:01 |
| jsgotangco | no | 12:01 |
| jsgotangco | its not supposed to replace math studies in school | 12:02 |
| jsgotangco | (others use it for that though) | 12:02 |
| Yagisan | ah - then I was thinking of juku, both are from Japan though | 12:04 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 12:08 |
| jsgotangco | that reminded me when i was an exchange student in suzuka back then... | 12:09 |
| jsgotangco | high school was literally useless | 12:09 |
| Yagisan | like the trip ? I was impressed by how different - yet how same it was when I first went | 12:10 |
| jsgotangco | well yeah | 12:11 |
| jsgotangco | most of the highschool years they don't study at all except for the last year (college entrace preparation) | 12:11 |
| Yagisan | I was in country for only a few hours before I broke an electronic toilet, trying to figure out how it worked | 12:12 |
| jsgotangco | the city toilets are ok, already westernized | 12:12 |
| jsgotangco | but most homes in far flung areas are still very traditional | 12:12 |
| Yagisan | I tried both styles | 12:13 |
| Yagisan | learn to balance or =-O | 12:13 |
| jsgotangco | hahaha | 12:13 |
| jsgotangco | i also got the chance to ride those transparent ferris wheel rides | 12:14 |
| jsgotangco | scary | 12:14 |
| Yagisan | I got the electronic toilet to "detect" a person when It was empty - blew water right across the hotel room :-[ | 12:14 |
| Yagisan | I went to the top of tokyo tower, and looked through the glass floor - that was freaky | 12:15 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 12:15 |
| jsgotangco | and the officemen wearing porn manga on the way to work | 12:16 |
| jsgotangco | i mean reading | 12:16 |
| Yagisan | try to catch the train n peak hour ? that was an experience | 12:17 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 12:17 |
| jsgotangco | hehehe | 12:17 |
| jsgotangco | the train people have this paddles | 12:17 |
| jsgotangco | i think they separate the women nowadays | 12:17 |
| Yagisan | yes, there is a separate womens car in peak hour, because of the perverts on the train | 12:18 |
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| highvoltage | ogra: what's the default username/password for schooltool on edubuntu? | 02:32 |
| ogra | erm... | 02:32 |
| highvoltage | i'm probably missing something very obvious here :) | 02:34 |
| ogra | manager and schooltool | 02:34 |
| highvoltage | ah, thanks. do we have it on the wiki, or documented somewhere? | 02:34 |
| ogra | not yet... thanks for reminding... wanted to add it some days ago | 02:35 |
| highvoltage | i talked to JaneW previously about an edubuntu tour, showing all the futures of ubuntu on one page. | 02:35 |
| highvoltage | ogra: here's a previe page, i'll add it up there too: http://www.edubuntu.org/proto/tour.html | 02:35 |
| ogra | thanks | 02:36 |
| highvoltage | ogra: have you looked at the crystal theme on OOo2? Do you think it's appropriate for edubuntu? I think it's more appropriate than the brown gtk theme. | 02:40 |
| ogra | i looked at it... i dont like t... | 02:41 |
| ogra | but thats personal preference... | 02:41 |
| ogra | i never liked any of the crystal stuff... its cold and dead in its glassy look | 02:41 |
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| highvoltage | seems like lots of people don't like it for that reason. | 02:42 |
| ogra | probably we could ask the gartoon author to produce matching icons for us ;) | 02:42 |
| highvoltage | i quite like it, apposed to the gtk theme. perhaps we should put out a call for some OOo hackers to put gartoon into OOo | 02:43 |
| highvoltage | ah, yes. that too :) | 02:43 |
| ogra | its easy to put anothee theme in if you have icons for it ;) | 02:43 |
| highvoltage | in OOo too? cool. I thought it needs a re-compile and/or some hard coding. | 02:44 |
| ogra | sure... | 02:44 |
| ogra | but its easy if you have access to the source ;) | 02:45 |
| highvoltage | true :) | 02:45 |
| highvoltage | it can be a nice excercise for me over the december holidays, just a pity i won't have big internet access. | 02:45 |
| highvoltage | i think i'll download the entire ubuntu archive in the meantime. | 02:45 |
| highvoltage | if i need something, i have it. | 02:46 |
| ogra | note that it will change rapidly... | 02:46 |
| highvoltage | the OOo releases? | 02:47 |
| highvoltage | I suppose I could figure out how to do it with an older release, | 02:47 |
| highvoltage | and once we have the final version before release it could just be copied and pasted into the newer one. | 02:48 |
| ogra | if it didnt change by then :) | 02:48 |
| ogra | but for learning its a good way to go i think | 02:48 |
| highvoltage | if i'd like to wget all the ubuntu packages, could i just download everything from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/ and under? | 02:50 |
| ogra | apt-cache show debmirror ;) | 02:51 |
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| highvoltage | ogra: do you know how big the breezy archive is, including universe? I would guess about 14GB? | 02:54 |
| ogra | for one arch, it think... | 02:55 |
| highvoltage | what does this mean? | 02:57 |
| highvoltage | Won't mirror without dists/breezy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz signature in Release at /usr/bin/debmirror line 1187. | 02:57 |
| ogra | hmm, no idea, i dont use debmirror myself... thats a question for -devel | 03:00 |
| highvoltage | ok | 03:03 |
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| Topslakr | is there any edubuntu docs on how to setup the client or do i just refer to the LTSP project? | 06:27 |
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| Yagisan | Topslakr: what do you want to do ? | 06:35 |
| ogra | Topslakr, see /topic :) | 06:35 |
| ogra | Topslakr, there is only one step to do after installation... | 06:36 |
| Yagisan | turn on :) | 06:36 |
| Yagisan | .oO(Unless it doesn't support pxe, in which case we a a few more steps) | 06:37 |
| ogra | nah... the autogeneration of /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf didnt make it... it requites to manually edit this file ... but EdubuntuInstallNotes should cover all common cases | 06:37 |
| ogra | yes, non PXE is somewhat spethial | 06:38 |
| Yagisan | ogra: but as I demonstrated, easy to fix | 06:38 |
| ogra | Yagisan, did you have to do any changes to the tfptboot setup ? | 06:39 |
| Yagisan | ogra: and if your pxe has bugs, perhaps a better choice | 06:39 |
| Yagisan | ogra: none at all - if you follow the wiki | 06:39 |
| ogra | i was asked this today... | 06:39 |
| ogra | oh, great, thanks :) | 06:39 |
| Yagisan | ogra: My instructions specifically set up pxe emulation | 06:39 |
| ogra | ah, cool | 06:39 |
| Yagisan | many thanks to whoever formated my instructions nicely | 06:40 |
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| Yagisan | ogra: it will also take advantage of multicast tftp too, if the tftp server supports it | 06:41 |
| Yagisan | ogra: which can have some substantial bandwidth savings - esp when a whole classroom boots at once | 06:44 |
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| mhz | hi | 07:05 |
| mhz | ogra, ping | 07:05 |
| Yagisan | G'day mhz | 07:05 |
| mhz | hi Yagisan | 07:05 |
| ogra | mhz, pong | 07:06 |
| mhz | do you by any chaNCE KNOW WHICH DECODER OR APP. I SHOULD USE TO play .avi failes | 07:06 |
| === mhz sorry for caps | ||
| ogra | mhz, you asked if it would make sense to come to UBZ ? | 07:06 |
| mhz | yes | 07:06 |
| ogra | mhz, there are some wiki and doc related BOFs... | 07:06 |
| Yagisan | mhz: what type ? .avi is a container format, eg divx, xvid, indeo ? | 07:07 |
| mhz | ogra, do you know which decoder and app to use to play avi files? | 07:07 |
| ogra | mhz, enable uni and multiverse and install gstreamer-pligins-multiverse :) | 07:07 |
| mhz | Yagisan, hhhhm | 07:07 |
| mhz | no idea | 07:07 |
| ogra | then use totem | 07:07 |
| mhz | is file.avi | 07:07 |
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| mhz | :) | 07:07 |
| ogra | *plugins | 07:07 |
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| mhz | Yagisan, yes, we tried that unsuccessfully | 07:08 |
| mhz | is maplyer multiverse? | 07:08 |
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| ogra | yup | 07:08 |
| Yagisan | mhz: what was your error ? yes mplayer should be multiverse | 07:08 |
| mhz | okidoki | 07:09 |
| mhz | they had not edited sourcelist duh! | 07:10 |
| mhz | sorry | 07:10 |
| mhz | now il get it | 07:10 |
| mhz | ogra, Yagisan thx u 2 | 07:12 |
| mhz | sourcelist is being updated now | 07:12 |
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| mhz | ogra, I did read the docs you mention | 07:13 |
| Yagisan | mhz: what is the talk on ? | 07:13 |
| ogra | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero/BOFs | 07:13 |
| mhz | ogra, however i guess it is more devel oriente and so dont know if spending money on it | 07:13 |
| ogra | there is a "better wiki" bof for example | 07:14 |
| mhz | Yagisan, free tech | 07:14 |
| mhz | and i'll do about communities | 07:14 |
| mhz | ogra, wow, i missed it | 07:14 |
| ogra | all the "Help and migration:" paragraph might be intresting | 07:15 |
| mhz | ogra, ok, so I'll see if i can afford the trip | 07:19 |
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| mhz | :) | 07:19 |
| ogra | mhz, your decision... i just wanted to point out there is not only dev stuff going on ;) | 07:20 |
| mhz | ok, educool | 07:21 |
| mhz | thx | 07:21 |
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| mhz | hope we see tomorrow at 12 utc | 07:21 |
| mhz | Yagisan, thx for such quick help, too | 07:21 |
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| Yagisan | ogra, just browsing the bofs, you have ThinClientAudio, and ThinClientDevices, any plans for ThinClientLocalApps ? | 07:27 |
| Yagisan | oh, and any fresh new ltsp patches for me to try ? | 07:28 |
| ogra | not yet, working on ldm merge so its in the first new package if dapper opens... than your multiarch patch | 07:28 |
| ogra | *then | 07:28 |
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| ogra | nope, i have no plans for ThinclientLocal apps... and time for dapper feature developemnt will be *very* shourt since we'll have UVF earlier | 07:29 |
| ogra | (a lot earlier) | 07:31 |
| Yagisan | ogra: you will most likely need to implement either traffic shaping or compression for the audio over the network | 07:32 |
| Yagisan | to keep latency acceptable | 07:32 |
| ogra | yes, i thought about gstreamer/theora/ssh tunnel | 07:32 |
| ogra | so we have an ogg stream on the net.... | 07:33 |
| Yagisan | ogg does need a bit of cpu power to encode decode | 07:33 |
| ogra | yup | 07:33 |
| Yagisan | adpcm gets 4:1 compression, and needs almost no cpu time (can be done realtime on a 386) | 07:34 |
| ogra | other suggestions that are gstreamer supported and have such a high rate ? | 07:34 |
| Yagisan | but needs more bandwidth | 07:34 |
| === Yagisan can't attend bof, so if you think I have a good idea, log it :) | ||
| ogra | is there a gstreamer implementation available ? | 07:37 |
| Yagisan | ogra: I don't know, adpcm is such an old codec, gstreamer0.8-audiofile should support it | 07:43 |
| Yagisan | it's a basic modification of the pcm (wav) format | 07:44 |
| ogra | sounds bandwith hungry | 07:45 |
| Yagisan | to an extent yes, tradeoff cpu vs bandwidth | 07:45 |
| ogra | depends if i need more CPU for de or encoding... i have plenty CPU power on the server... | 07:46 |
| ogra | at least for plings and ploings of gnome it should be enough :) | 07:47 |
| Yagisan | ogra: someone, somewhere, is going to try and play their mp3/ogg collection on that server | 07:47 |
| Yagisan | in any rate, it should be low cpu decode | 07:48 |
| ogra | yup | 07:48 |
| Yagisan | because clients can be anything from a 486 up | 07:48 |
| ogra | yup | 07:50 |
| Yagisan | ograL flac may be better, fast decode, more bandwidth efficient then adpcm, and has a gstreamer plugin | 07:50 |
| Yagisan | *ogra | 07:50 |
| ogra | yup | 07:50 |
| ogra | lets see how to implement it.. i think gstreamer is the right way... it covers desktop, totem and rhythmbox as well as all gnome apps... | 07:51 |
| ogra | the prob is to make the kdeedu apps tlak to gstreamer | 07:52 |
| Yagisan | what about apps that talk directly to alsa or oss ? | 07:52 |
| Yagisan | found a compression here http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Lossless_comparison for flac | 07:53 |
| Yagisan | s/compression/comparison | 07:53 |
| ogra | they are not in the desktop we ship and it would be a huge ugly hack to do networked alsa | 07:53 |
| ogra | thanlks :) | 07:54 |
| Yagisan | using me (a non-typical case I know), I'd want xmms to work, perhaps vmware (it grabs /dev/dsp and isn't shipped by you), timidity | 07:57 |
| Yagisan | and most likely a few others to work (wesnoth :) ) | 07:57 |
| ogra | thats not my target yet for basic audio support... | 08:02 |
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| ogra | we an extend what we have later... | 08:08 |
| ogra | like we do now with the release | 08:08 |
| ogra | one step at a time as long as i dont have more devs helping... | 08:08 |
| Yagisan | I understand, I try to help where I can | 08:09 |
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| geoffTheFish | can i set up one user to use edubuntu, the rest ubuntu? | 09:44 |
| ogra | nope | 09:46 |
| ogra | except you have different hardware for them :) | 09:47 |
| ogra | but note that edubuntu *is* ubuntu ;) | 09:47 |
| ogra | just another app selection, some server stuff and another look added on top | 09:47 |
| geoffTheFish | can i get the look, its for my son - i have installed gcompris etc | 09:48 |
| ogra | edubuntu-artwork is a systemwide package, you would need to install its components separately... | 09:49 |
| ogra | to not make the settings affect the whole system... | 09:50 |
| geoffTheFish | sounds complicated - maybe i'll just get a screenshot to use as desktop! | 09:50 |
| ogra | install gartoon-icon-theme and the Edubuntu-Girl wallpaper from art.ubuntu.com then you have basiacally the look ... select both for him :) | 09:51 |
| ogra | (gartoon is in breezy) | 09:51 |
| geoffTheFish | ok ta | 09:51 |
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| fernandokts | where can I get some help about Edubuntu? | 11:28 |
| ogra | here ? | 11:29 |
| ogra | just ask away :) | 11:29 |
| fernandokts | thanks | 11:29 |
| fernandokts | so | 11:29 |
| fernandokts | I installed Edubuntu in default in a computer to be the ltsp server... | 11:31 |
| fernandokts | It's working great with PS2 mouse clients | 11:31 |
| fernandokts | but when I boot a Serial Mouse, the mouse doesn't work | 11:31 |
| fernandokts | but when I boot a Serial Mouse Client, the mouse doesn't work | 11:32 |
| ogra | oh, thats a genereal ubuntu problem... | 11:32 |
| fernandokts | and when I run ltspadmin it says that Xdmcp isn't installed, | 11:32 |
| ogra | we cant detect serial mice | 11:32 |
| fernandokts | hmm | 11:32 |
| ogra | ltspadmin isnt used in edubuntus ltsp... the implementation is brandnew and developed in ubuntu, the main ltsp team is just adopting it | 11:33 |
| fernandokts | that answers a lot | 11:34 |
| ogra | we'll have gui tools to manage the ltsp setup in the next release | 11:34 |
| fernandokts | is there any config tool for this version? | 11:34 |
| fernandokts | or any config files | 11:34 |
| ogra | currently only lts.conf | 11:34 |
| ogra | place it in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ on the server, there is a example file in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client | 11:35 |
| fernandokts | is that one different from that created by ltspadmin? | 11:35 |
| ogra | tha majority of original ltsp options should work if you are familiar with the syntax | 11:36 |
| ogra | i dont know what ltspadmin creates ... | 11:36 |
| ogra | i guess there will be a lot of overhead | 11:36 |
| ogra | since we can autodetect a lot in our implementation which doesnt work in legacy ltsp | 11:37 |
| fernandokts | the funny thing is: when I use lts.conf in ../etc the clients(that weren't starting in GDM) start in GDM but the keyboard doesn't work | 11:37 |
| fernandokts | if I specify a serial mouse in lts.conf should that work? | 11:38 |
| ogra | http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes has some hints for keyboard settings... | 11:39 |
| ogra | i think so... | 11:39 |
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| ogra | but i would remove all other entrys from the file... it moght confuse te autodetection, i dont know what ltspadmin adds there | 11:40 |
| fernandokts | maybe that's why it stops the keyboard | 11:41 |
| fernandokts | I work in a School in Brazil and the teatchers and Students loved Edubuntu | 11:41 |
| ogra | great :) | 11:41 |
| fernandokts | and soon we are thinking in helping the edubunt team some how | 11:42 |
| ogra | the next release will be really slick, this one was mainly targeted in developing a base to build bigger stuff on in the future... | 11:42 |
| ogra | any help is absolutely welcome... :) | 11:42 |
| fernandokts | thanks, is there any date you are thinking for the release | 11:43 |
| fernandokts | ? | 11:43 |
| ogra | this release was a one man show wrt development, if we cant get a team together it wont go on :) | 11:43 |
| ogra | april is the next release... edubuntu is bound to the release schedule of ubuntu | 11:44 |
| fernandokts | ok then | 11:44 |
| fernandokts | so, thank you very much | 11:44 |
| ogra | youre welcome... | 11:44 |
| ogra | come back any time :) | 11:45 |
| fernandokts | thanks | 11:45 |
| fernandokts | bye | 11:45 |
| fernandokts | exit | 11:45 |
| fernandokts | sorry | 11:45 |
| ogra | bye :) | 11:45 |
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