[12:05] viator, follow the notes http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes ;) [12:05] they are written for a one NIC setup [12:08] ogra: will it be of any use I show up in UBZ_ [12:08] ? [12:08] or it's most oriented towards developers only [12:08] ? [12:09] quite developer-oriented === sven-tek [n=sven-tek@p508E7440.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:10] thx [12:10] Hi ogra, Einladung zum Linux Tag Essen angekommen? === bdoin [n=coudoin@bla31-1-82-228-70-121.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:16] sven-tek, yes, thanks... [12:17] thats good, i had to leave so i told the team to send it [12:18] sorry, havent answered yet, busy day today [12:18] today a teacher asked if he can tell about his experiences with linux in schools - but i think he uses skole linux [12:19] wheres a good place to find network boot floppy [12:19] most likely... [12:19] sven-tek: skole linux, edubuntu, edulinux.. whatever input is a start for other people to see gnulinux on education is a wise alternative [12:21] viator, http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientWithoutPxe [12:21] :) [12:28] there is no os on this box right now but i know its a linksys lne100tx im not sure which rom to pick i can guess i guess [12:28] its tulip [12:28] i'D guess so [12:29] yep, tulip [12:29] (that you can guess) [12:29] but theres a bunch of em [12:29] I have a bunch of those nics in another box [12:29] bevore we got that offer to use the unperfekthaus in essen, my idea was to go to schools and promote linux there. So i think linux in schools is very important, you guys are doing an important job. [12:30] theres one that says rl100tx [12:30] gotta be it [12:32] sven-tek, absolutely... [12:34] whats the best fromat to choose for the floppy? .zdsk or .ispo i thought floppy images where .img? lol [12:35] i'm not really familiar with etherboot ... Yagisan could tell ... [12:36] your servers are pretty quick im downloading the edubuntu iso @ about 200 kb/s [12:37] cool :) [12:37] i figured it out .zdsk [12:39] then cat eb-5.4.1-tulip.zdsk > /dev/fd0 === ogra would use dd ... but cat might work as well [12:41] dd if=bootfloppy.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=512 conv=sync ; sync like that? [12:41] yup [12:43] lol now all i need to do is find some floppies i only have one laying around that ive written to like a million times [12:43] heh, i know that prob [12:43] sound is a pin in the arse right? [12:44] dont really need it on these anyway [12:44] its not implemented yet... [12:44] yeah i remember when i messed with ltsp on debian [12:44] so you'd have to set up something like nas or esd over network [12:45] can you boot from a wirless card? [12:45] but all current solutions are ugly and not really the last in safety [12:45] using a cdrom or somthing [12:45] if you find a bootrom for it, yes...i heard of wlan cards that can do that, but havent seen one myself yet [12:51] i guess theres a wireless_ltsp boot floppy [12:51] i asked on #ltsp [12:51] yes, i see it.. [12:52] but that means you boot the kernel fro the floppy... could get hairy, breezy ltsp needs 2.6.12 ... [12:53] but try it, probably it works... [01:01] yeah the wirless stuff is on here http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=17723..section === pitux [n=pitux@98-186-222-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === smykes [n=jsmykil@24-48-164-246.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has left #edubuntu [] [01:30] pitux: read me_ [01:30] ? === mhz is now known as mhz_cooking [01:40] mhz_cooking i need talk with you === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #edubuntu [02:10] pitux: ping [02:10] http://www.decom-uv.cl/ === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.94.143] has joined #edubuntu === mhz_cooking is now known as mhz === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu [03:41] jsgotangco: welcome [03:42] hi [03:53] jsgotangco: btw, I could finally use Edubuntu clients with KDE and WindowMaker [03:53] it was just a matter of ltsp-update-sshkeys [03:54] wow === jsgotangco haven't been doing edubuntu stuff lately === jsgotangco has been busy with talks === mhz has to and wants to === mhz starts talks tomorrow :) === Grant_ [n=grant@85-210-22-90.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #edubuntu [04:07] hmmm, I wonder if running Edubuntu server, and on top of that I use PearPC, and on top, I run a licensed OSX, Will I be ilegally using OSX on many clients? [04:23] JaneW: Yes, thank you, I got logged in.(This message in reply to when you asked about whether I am sorted now(in reply to your previous enquiry, if you prefer to be formal:)) [04:27] I think Edubuntu has a great set of icons. [04:29] I was thinking, at universities, they have usually intro to computers courses, and in Windows, plus the stuff they teach them is too easy even for that course. We need a intro to computers - Linux. [04:33] interestingly enough, they teach intro to computers courses at my university on Digital UNIX, heh [04:34] pretty much everything is UNIX- or Linux-based [04:35] Really? [04:36] Well, at my U they teach in windows. [04:36] Pretty much everything in teh CS program, or in that course? === ajmitch_ [n=ajmitch@port161-152.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #edubuntu === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.94.143] has joined #edubuntu === corvax [n=corvax@pool-70-17-135-230.wma.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:53] ive got edubuntu installed now how do i set it up as terminal server? [05:54] corvax: just reboot your clients already set to boot via PXE in Bios [05:54] corvax: and be sure you /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf is correct [05:55] i ran the ltspconfig to see what was up and it showed dhcp wasnt running [05:55] corvax: afaik, you should run nothing. it all should work out of the box if you followed InstallNotes on the wiki === jammcq [n=jam@pcp09011044pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has left #edubuntu [] [05:56] well i burned iso and just did all the defaults [05:56] corvax: good [05:56] it asked for my ip i gave it to it [05:56] did you also read Install Notes? [05:56] corvax: what ip you provided? [05:57] 192.168.1.102 [05:58] corvax: ok, now see /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and make sure your network settings correspond to the real one [05:59] ok [06:00] nope [06:00] ? [06:00] it looks like a default [06:01] you have place for paste [06:01] so, replace values to match real ones [06:01] here [06:01] shoot [06:02] well it has 192.168.0.0 255.255.255.0 etc [06:02] that is incorrect then [06:02] so i need to replace all 0's with ones [06:02] yes [06:03] 192.168.1.xxx [06:03] of course :) [06:04] do i comment out the domain i dont really need it [06:04] yes [06:05] authoritative; [06:05] subnet 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.1 { [06:05] range 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.250; [06:05] #option domain-name "example.com"; [06:05] option domain-name-servers 192.168.1.1; [06:05] option broadcast-address 192.168.1.255; [06:05] option routers 192.168.1.1; [06:05] option subnet-mask 255.255.255.1; [06:05] filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0"; [06:05] option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386"; [06:05] } [06:06] thats what it looks like now [06:06] subnet 192.168.1.0 instead [06:07] range 192.168.1.x higher than option routers [06:07] option subentmask 255.255.255.0 [06:07] for this try, please #out option router [06:08] duh [06:08] duh #out [06:08] dont #out [06:08] option routers Are you sure there's another router with that ip? [06:09] my routers has the ip 192.168.1.1 [06:09] which is the default gateway [06:09] ok, then [06:10] that option is for extra router? [06:10] if you have a server + router + clients [06:10] it is most likely router will stop you dhcpd from server becaus emost routers have dhcp in them [06:10] yes servers is connected to a router and the router one port is connected to a switch [06:11] and clients connected to switch [06:11] (at least that happened to me until i got a switch and all got well) [06:11] well ill just hook it to the switch [06:11] no prob [06:11] ok [06:12] then /etc/init.d/dhcpd restart and let's see [06:12] reboot a client :D [06:12] So the ltsp is enabled by default on all versions of Ubuntu, right? [06:13] nop [06:13] only in Edubuntu [06:13] Does it come with the desktop? no, right? The whole thing has to be an Edubuntu install. [06:14] yep [06:14] unless you wanna do it all manually :) [06:15] And, you just network a computer onto your Edubuntu, and make it boot from that PXE thing you said above, make a small config tweak, and it works? [06:15] i have no dhcpd in /etc/init.d/ [06:15] dabaR: yes [06:15] corvax: are you sure you installed Edubuntu and not just Ubuntu? [06:16] YES [06:16] lol [06:16] im new but not THAT new [06:16] nice, Ive wanted to try ltsp for a while now. I think ever since I learned about Unix in the first place, cause where I learned about it they had some setup like that. [06:17] im looking at the desktop with the edubuntu logo and the funny lookin kid [06:18] corvax: hehe. I am not new but I had a I_still_dont_know_how_issue in which I swear I installed edubuntu but it turns out I did had not. [06:18] well whats the best way to tell besides that [06:19] i know [06:19] apt-get install edubuntu-server [06:19] :D [06:19] lol [06:19] no ill do apt-cache policy edubuntu-desktop ? right [06:19] ok [06:20] but you need server :) [06:20] edubuntu-desktop: [06:20] Installed: 0.32 [06:20] Candidate: 0.32 [06:20] Version table: [06:20] *** 0.32 0 [06:20] 500 cdrom://Edubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Release i386 (20051012) breezy/main Packages [06:20] 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status [06:20] 0.05 0 [06:20] 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages [06:21] but you need server :) [06:21] its installed [06:21] it says] [06:22] version 0.32 as well [06:22] i ALWAYS have goofy shit like this happen to me [06:22] NOTHING ever "just works" [06:23] corvax: I do have same output [06:23] BUT, believe me [06:23] if i do apt-get install edubuntu-desktop, it willtry to install 18 MB [06:23] however, [06:24] apt-get install edubuntu-server is ALREADY installed :D [06:24] and policy gives me 'installed' for both [06:24] id have todo apt-get --purge remove [06:24] why?? [06:25] cuase its there already [06:25] nop [06:25] so how can i install it [06:25] when apt wont let me [06:25] did you type apt-get install edubuntu-server? [06:25] yeah [06:25] and the putput? [06:25] edubuntu-server is already the newest version. [06:25] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [06:26] hmmmm weired [06:27] dont' purge, please [06:28] Service Installed Enabled Running Notes [06:28] dhcpd Yes Yes no Version 3 [06:28] tftpd Yes Yes Yes Has '-s' flag [06:28] portmapper Yes Yes Yes [06:28] nfs Yes Yes Yes [06:28] xdmcp no no no Using: none! [06:29] do you have /opt? [06:29] do you have /etc/ltsp? [06:29] yes [06:29] can you paste your /etc/inetd.conf? [06:29] the line for tftp [06:31] tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot [06:32] that's ok [06:32] finally, /etc/ltsp/ is empty? [06:32] no [06:33] so can you make sure there are no IP written on /etc/dhcp3/dchpd.conf? and if so, let's make a new dhcpd.conf under /etc/ltps/ [06:33] dhcpd.conf [06:33] so the only missing file is under /etc/init.d/ ?? [06:33] yeah [06:33] and i havent touched it [06:33] honest [06:34] hmmm [06:34] let me give you mine [06:34] if that's ok [06:35] well i [06:35] have dhcp3-server [06:36] but no single dhcpd [06:36] under there [06:36] duh!!! === mhz slaps himself [06:36] that file [06:36] is ok [06:36] please restart it [06:36] LOL === mhz was very confused with file names [06:38] hmmm [06:38] how do i [06:38] it says command not found [06:38] bare with me now [06:38] lol [06:39] I knew it was that! [06:39] dabaR: _ [06:39] ? [06:39] I was just quiet cause I was not sure. [06:39] the dhcpd folder. [06:39] corvax: sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server stop [06:39] corvax: sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start [06:40] corvax: sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart [06:40] 1st: start [06:40] 2nd: restart [06:40] corvax: that is not found_ [06:40] ? [06:40] ok [06:40] got it [06:42] it says dhcp3 is running now [06:42] please reboot now [06:42] reboot? [06:42] and cross your fingersa [06:42] lol [06:42] lol [06:42] i mean, boot the clients [06:42] thought you only had to reboot if you recompiled kernel [06:42] and cross your fingers [06:42] in linux [06:43] hehe [06:43] 1 sec === mhz trhows lemon juice to corvax eyes [06:43] D [06:43] :D [06:43] hey i never configured hosts aloow deny etc [06:43] i knoew i had to do it before [06:43] who cares [06:43] nop [06:43] why_ [06:44] you installed edubuntu [06:44] or ubuntu? [06:44] none of those silly configs [06:44] have to be done [06:44] none [06:44] only dhcp? [06:44] long live to Ogra!!! [06:44] yes [06:44] sweet [06:44] indeed [06:44] dabaR: you too cross your fingers :D [06:46] ok [06:46] hehe === mhz is impressed by dabaR's enthusiasm === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #edubuntu [06:50] corvax: so_ [06:51] ? [06:51] success? [06:56] corvax: i need to separate my fingers, can I? [06:56] no that ugly ass windows boot screen [06:56] now this is how i have it [06:56] hooked up [06:57] i have the server hooked to switch i have clients hooked to switch [06:57] and i have the uplink from switch [06:57] hooked to router for internet === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-10-153-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [07:00] corvax: the 1st sentence does not let me understand the situation. success? fail? [07:01] it didnt oxe boot [07:01] pxe [07:01] it went to harddrive [07:01] if fail, any chance you could try crossover cable or no router? [07:01] i went into bios and set it to boot from lan [07:02] well id loose internet i guess the only reason i have router is for wireless [07:02] anyway [07:02] hehehe [07:02] for the 'try' purpose, please? [07:03] sorry - could you quickly summarise the error [07:03] ok ill unhook it now ill be disconnected for a bit [07:03] corvax: i dont wanna go to bed befor i get to know if server is ok [07:03] educool! [07:03] Yagisan: still no error [07:03] Yagisan: corvax has a router in the middle [07:04] remember I had exact same problem? [07:04] yes, I remember that [07:04] once I did not use the router, edubuntu worked perfectly [07:04] so, we are trying to 1st see if edubuntu runs [07:05] once we know that, he can move on with local net settings [07:05] corvax: Most "routers" sold to the home and small business markets are a nat device, primarily designed to share an internet connection [07:05] corvax: they are not true routers [07:06] exactly [07:06] corvax: hence, you will be unable to use them as a true router === mhz learned that from Yagisan [07:06] := === mwest [n=mwest@tsl.uct.ac.za] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [07:33] Yagisan: nice sentence^ [07:33] dabaR: thanks [07:34] dabaR: unfortunately it's all true, and really should be put on the wiki [07:35] off course, it is true, I like how you put it nicely, puts my thoughts about the whole issue nicely together... === juliux [n=juliux@141.30.211.85] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === guim [n=glederer@193.190.183.237] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-167-38.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [09:00] JaneW: wb === ball [n=ball@dialup-4.252.203.195.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:03] highvoltage: thanks [09:04] highvoltage: not sure why my line descides to drop randomly.... [09:05] JaneW: telkom-- [09:05] highvoltage: say no more... ;) [09:06] Mine used to do that, but a different modem fixed the problem. [09:07] ball: this is a 'Hell'kom supplied ADSL modem/router goodie [09:07] I'm not familiar with Telkom, but I get the gist. [09:09] routers generally suck, and I'm not that keen on integrated modems. [09:12] If the modem breaks, you have to throw away a perfectly good router. If the router breaks... I'd prefer a router with a PC-Card or Cardbus slot so that I could pop in whatever interface suited my needs that year. [09:13] POTS, ISDN, terrestrial wireless etc. [09:16] Commercial routers have a tendancy to be evil anyway. [09:16] I'll shut up now ;-) [09:19] ball: agreed [09:20] Which bit? About me shutting up? :-) [09:22] ball: LOL [09:22] ball: I was agreeing with your comments about routers and modems :) [09:23] Ah good, now I don't feel quite so bad ;-) === pere_Zzzz is now known as pere [09:54] wb pere [09:57] thanks. :) [09:59] hi JaneW [09:59] hi jsgotangco [09:59] what's give me something to work on soonish....im almost done with the cookbook.... [10:03] cool! [10:04] :P [10:04] cool won't cut it i need it to be reviewed soon === jsgotangco cracks whip in front of JaneW [10:07] :) === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@67.15.185.40] has joined #edubuntu [10:09] hello apokryphos [10:09] hello [10:09] Bed time, I must go. :-/ [10:10] 'night [10:10] Goodnight all === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.92.207] has joined #edubuntu === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.93.214] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #edubuntu === pere_gone is now known as pere === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu === \sh_away is now known as \sh === MenZa` [n=menza@0x50a1605a.kd4nxx12.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #edubuntu [11:35] morning [11:35] ogra, hi [11:37] er can we get in the 'free stationery' business please? [11:38] mmm? === JaneW just got the list of stationery (and uniform) requirements for Grade 1 next year - I may need to ask the bank for a loan! ;) [11:39] im not getting you [11:40] it's EXPENSIVE [11:41] ohh you mean ubuntu going into free stationaries [11:42] yes :) === jsgotangco is dumb [11:42] lol [11:42] maybe I wasn;t clear [11:42] or outlaw the pencil and paper [11:42] all work on wikis! [11:42] hah [11:42] educate the kids on wikis as early as possible [11:43] evil [11:43] id rather have my child learn to write :P [11:44] so would I, if I had children :) [11:44] its easy to have one if you desire such... [11:45] not right at the moment, thanks [11:45] i was teaching my kid last weekend to play scrabble [11:45] so she could learn simple words and spell them [11:46] good idea [11:47] heh [11:47] yeah [11:47] except she kept beating you? ;) [11:47] a year ago i taught her to play dice so she could count [11:47] jsgotangco: poker next? ;) [11:48] yeah except when I added the words "Encyclopedia" and "Ziggurat" heh === magnon [n=co@photogeeks/magnon] has joined #edubuntu [11:48] JaneW: nah, mao :) [11:48] ajmitch_: indeed! [11:48] for deductive reasoning... [11:48] and pure insanity [11:48] more like intimidation... [11:51] we've been buying a lot of simple board games lately, trying my best to avoid using a computer or a videogame to teach as much as posible... === MenZa [n=menza@0x50a1605a.kd4nxx12.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #edubuntu [11:56] oh ? I've been trying to teach my little girl to use a computer [11:56] it's a lot harder to pull apart for her [11:56] oh its not a problem on our home, my girl prefers to use a real laptop rather than her toy one === Yagisan feels sad she ripped up all the books I bought her [11:57] i've bought her a toy computer worth $100 and it just self-destruct after a few kiddie torture [11:58] I need more robust toys - I think my little girl is an engineer [11:58] my problem at th e moment is her gameboy [11:58] She always is giving me "spare" parts [11:58] she won't do her kumon lessons before playing at least an hour [12:01] kumon ? isn't that cram school ? [12:01] no [12:02] its not supposed to replace math studies in school [12:02] (others use it for that though) [12:04] ah - then I was thinking of juku, both are from Japan though [12:08] heh [12:09] that reminded me when i was an exchange student in suzuka back then... [12:09] high school was literally useless [12:10] like the trip ? I was impressed by how different - yet how same it was when I first went [12:11]