[12:05] <ogra> viator, follow the notes http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes ;)
[12:05] <ogra> they are written for a one NIC setup
[12:08] <mhz> ogra: will it be of any use I show up in UBZ_
[12:08] <mhz> ?
[12:08] <mhz> or it's most oriented towards developers only
[12:08] <mhz> ?
[12:09] <ajmitch_> quite developer-oriented
[12:10] <mhz> thx
[12:10] <sven-tek> Hi ogra, Einladung zum Linux Tag Essen angekommen?
[12:16] <ogra> sven-tek, yes, thanks... 
[12:17] <sven-tek> thats good, i had to leave so i told the team to send it
[12:18] <ogra> sorry, havent answered yet, busy day today
[12:18] <sven-tek> today a teacher asked if he can tell about his experiences with linux in schools - but i think he uses skole linux
[12:19] <viator> wheres a good place to find network boot floppy
[12:19] <ogra> most likely...
[12:19] <mhz> sven-tek: skole linux, edubuntu, edulinux.. whatever input is a start for other people to see gnulinux on education is a wise alternative
[12:21] <ogra> viator, http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientWithoutPxe
[12:21] <ogra> :)
[12:28] <viator> there is no os on this box right now  but i know its a linksys lne100tx im not sure which rom to pick i can guess i guess
[12:28] <viator> its tulip
[12:28] <ogra> i'D guess so
[12:29] <crimsun> yep, tulip
[12:29] <ogra> (that you can guess)
[12:29] <viator> but theres a bunch of em
[12:29] <crimsun> I have a bunch of those nics in another box
[12:29] <sven-tek> bevore we got that offer to use the unperfekthaus in essen, my idea was to go to schools and promote linux there. So i think linux in schools is very important, you guys are doing an important job.
[12:30] <viator> theres one that says rl100tx
[12:30] <viator> gotta be it
[12:32] <ogra> sven-tek, absolutely... 
[12:34] <viator> whats the best fromat to choose for the floppy? .zdsk or .ispo  i thought floppy images where .img? lol
[12:35] <ogra> i'm not really familiar with etherboot ... Yagisan could tell ...
[12:36] <viator> your servers are pretty quick im downloading the edubuntu iso @ about 200 kb/s
[12:37] <ogra> cool :)
[12:37] <viator> i figured it out .zdsk
[12:39] <viator> then cat eb-5.4.1-tulip.zdsk > /dev/fd0
[12:41] <viator> dd if=bootfloppy.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=512 conv=sync ; sync    like that?
[12:41] <ogra> yup
[12:43] <viator> lol now all i need to do is find some floppies i only have one laying around that ive written to like a million times 
[12:43] <ogra> heh, i know that prob
[12:43] <viator> sound is a pin in the arse  right?
[12:44] <viator> dont really need it on these anyway
[12:44] <ogra> its not implemented yet...
[12:44] <viator> yeah i remember when i messed with ltsp on debian
[12:44] <ogra> so you'd have to set up something like nas or esd over network
[12:45] <viator> can you boot from a wirless card?
[12:45] <ogra> but all current solutions are ugly and not really the last in safety
[12:45] <viator> using a cdrom or somthing
[12:45] <ogra> if you find a bootrom for it, yes...i heard of wlan cards that can do that, but havent seen one myself yet
[12:51] <viator> i guess theres a wireless_ltsp  boot floppy
[12:51] <viator> i asked on #ltsp
[12:51] <ogra> yes, i see it..
[12:52] <ogra> but that means you boot the kernel fro the floppy... could get hairy, breezy ltsp needs 2.6.12 ...
[12:53] <ogra> but try it, probably it works...
[01:01] <viator> yeah the wirless  stuff is on here http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=17723..section
[01:30] <mhz> pitux: read me_
[01:30] <mhz> ?
[01:40] <pitux> mhz_cooking i need talk with you
[02:10] <mhz_cooking> pitux: ping
[02:10] <mhz_cooking> http://www.decom-uv.cl/
[03:41] <mhz> jsgotangco: welcome
[03:42] <jsgotangco> hi
[03:53] <mhz> jsgotangco: btw, I could finally use Edubuntu clients with KDE and WindowMaker
[03:53] <mhz> it was just a matter of ltsp-update-sshkeys
[03:54] <jsgotangco> wow
[04:07] <mhz> hmmm, I wonder if running Edubuntu server, and on top of that I use PearPC, and on top, I run a licensed OSX, Will I be ilegally using OSX on many clients?
[04:23] <dabaR> JaneW: Yes, thank you, I got logged in.(This message in reply to when you asked about whether I am sorted now(in reply to your previous enquiry, if you prefer to be formal:))
[04:27] <dabaR> I think Edubuntu has a great set of icons.
[04:29] <dabaR> I was thinking, at universities, they have usually intro to computers courses, and in Windows, plus the stuff they teach them is too easy even for that course. We need a intro to computers - Linux.
[04:33] <crimsun> interestingly enough, they teach intro to computers courses at my university on Digital UNIX, heh
[04:34] <crimsun> pretty much everything is UNIX- or Linux-based
[04:35] <dabaR> Really?
[04:36] <dabaR> Well, at my U they teach in windows.
[04:36] <dabaR> Pretty much everything in teh CS program, or in that course?
[05:53] <corvax> ive got edubuntu installed now how do i set it up as terminal server?
[05:54] <mhz> corvax: just reboot your clients already set to boot via PXE in Bios
[05:54] <mhz> corvax: and be sure you /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf is correct
[05:55] <corvax> i ran the ltspconfig to see what was up and it showed dhcp wasnt running
[05:55] <mhz> corvax: afaik, you should run nothing. it all should work out of the box if you followed InstallNotes on the wiki
[05:56] <corvax> well i burned iso and just did  all the defaults
[05:56] <mhz> corvax: good
[05:56] <corvax> it asked for my ip i gave it to it
[05:56] <mhz> did you also read Install Notes?
[05:56] <mhz> corvax: what ip you provided?
[05:57] <corvax> 192.168.1.102
[05:58] <mhz> corvax: ok, now see /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and make sure your network settings correspond to the real one
[05:59] <corvax> ok
[06:00] <corvax> nope
[06:00] <mhz> ?
[06:00] <corvax> it looks like a default
[06:01] <corvax> you have place for paste
[06:01] <mhz> so, replace values to match real ones
[06:01] <mhz> here
[06:01] <mhz> shoot
[06:02] <corvax> well it has 192.168.0.0 255.255.255.0  etc
[06:02] <mhz> that is incorrect then
[06:02] <corvax> so i need to replace all 0's with ones
[06:02] <mhz> yes
[06:03] <mhz> 192.168.1.xxx
[06:03] <mhz> of course :)
[06:04] <corvax> do i comment out the domain i dont really need it
[06:04] <mhz> yes
[06:05] <corvax> authoritative;
[06:05] <corvax> subnet 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.1 {
[06:05] <corvax>   range 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.250;
[06:05] <corvax>  #option domain-name "example.com";
[06:05] <corvax>   option domain-name-servers 192.168.1.1;
[06:05] <corvax>   option broadcast-address 192.168.1.255;
[06:05] <corvax>   option routers 192.168.1.1;
[06:05] <corvax>   option subnet-mask 255.255.255.1;
[06:05] <corvax>   filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0";
[06:05] <corvax>   option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
[06:05] <corvax> }
[06:06] <corvax> thats what it looks like now
[06:06] <mhz> subnet 192.168.1.0 instead
[06:07] <mhz> range 192.168.1.x higher than option routers
[06:07] <mhz> option subentmask 255.255.255.0
[06:07] <mhz> for this try, please #out option router
[06:08] <mhz> duh
[06:08] <mhz> duh #out
[06:08] <mhz> dont #out
[06:08] <mhz> option routers Are you sure there's another router with that ip?
[06:09] <corvax> my routers has the ip 192.168.1.1
[06:09] <corvax> which is the default gateway
[06:09] <mhz> ok, then
[06:10] <corvax> that option is for extra router?
[06:10] <mhz> if you have a server + router + clients
[06:10] <mhz> it is most likely router will stop you dhcpd from server becaus emost routers have dhcp in them
[06:10] <corvax> yes servers is connected to a router and the router one port is connected to a switch
[06:11] <corvax> and clients connected to switch
[06:11] <mhz> (at least that happened to me until i got a switch and all got well)
[06:11] <corvax> well ill  just hook it to the switch
[06:11] <corvax> no prob
[06:11] <mhz> ok
[06:12] <mhz> then /etc/init.d/dhcpd restart and let's see
[06:12] <mhz> reboot a client :D
[06:12] <dabaR> So the ltsp is enabled by default on all versions of Ubuntu, right?
[06:13] <mhz> nop
[06:13] <mhz> only in Edubuntu
[06:13] <dabaR> Does it come with the desktop? no, right? The whole thing has to be an Edubuntu install.
[06:14] <mhz> yep
[06:14] <mhz> unless you wanna do it all manually :)
[06:15] <dabaR> And, you just network a computer onto your Edubuntu, and make it boot from that PXE thing you said above, make a small config tweak, and it works?
[06:15] <corvax> i have no dhcpd in /etc/init.d/
[06:15] <mhz> dabaR: yes
[06:15] <mhz> corvax: are you sure you installed Edubuntu and not just Ubuntu?
[06:16] <corvax> YES
[06:16] <corvax> lol
[06:16] <corvax> im new  but not THAT new
[06:16] <dabaR> nice, Ive wanted to try ltsp for a while now. I think ever since I learned about Unix in the first place, cause where I learned about it they had some setup like that.
[06:17] <corvax> im looking at the desktop with the edubuntu logo and the  funny lookin kid
[06:18] <mhz> corvax: hehe. I am not new but I had a I_still_dont_know_how_issue in which I swear I installed edubuntu but it turns out I did had not.
[06:18] <corvax> well whats the best way to tell besides that
[06:19] <corvax> i know
[06:19] <mhz> apt-get install edubuntu-server
[06:19] <mhz> :D
[06:19] <corvax> lol
[06:19] <corvax> no ill do apt-cache policy edubuntu-desktop ? right
[06:19] <mhz> ok
[06:20] <mhz> but you need server :)
[06:20] <corvax> edubuntu-desktop:
[06:20] <corvax>   Installed: 0.32
[06:20] <corvax>   Candidate: 0.32
[06:20] <corvax>   Version table:
[06:20] <corvax>  *** 0.32 0
[06:20] <corvax>         500 cdrom://Edubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Release i386 (20051012) breezy/main Packages
[06:20] <corvax>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[06:20] <corvax>      0.05 0
[06:20] <corvax>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages
[06:21] <mhz> but you need server :)
[06:21] <corvax> its installed
[06:21] <corvax> it says] 
[06:22] <corvax> version 0.32 as well
[06:22] <corvax> i ALWAYS have goofy shit like this happen to me
[06:22] <corvax> NOTHING ever "just works" 
[06:23] <mhz> corvax: I do have same output 
[06:23] <mhz> BUT, believe me
[06:23] <mhz> if i do apt-get install edubuntu-desktop, it willtry to install 18 MB
[06:23] <mhz> however,
[06:24] <mhz> apt-get install edubuntu-server is ALREADY installed :D
[06:24] <mhz> and policy gives me 'installed' for both
[06:24] <corvax> id have todo apt-get --purge remove
[06:24] <mhz> why??
[06:25] <corvax> cuase its there already
[06:25] <mhz> nop
[06:25] <corvax> so how can i install it
[06:25] <corvax> when apt wont let me
[06:25] <mhz> did you type apt-get install edubuntu-server?
[06:25] <corvax> yeah
[06:25] <mhz> and the putput?
[06:25] <corvax> edubuntu-server is already the newest version.
[06:25] <corvax> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[06:26] <mhz> hmmmm weired
[06:27] <mhz> dont' purge, please
[06:28] <corvax> Service    Installed   Enabled   Running   Notes
[06:28] <corvax> dhcpd      Yes         Yes       no        Version 3
[06:28] <corvax> tftpd      Yes         Yes       Yes       Has '-s' flag
[06:28] <corvax> portmapper Yes         Yes       Yes
[06:28] <corvax> nfs        Yes         Yes       Yes
[06:28] <corvax> xdmcp      no          no        no            Using: none!
[06:29] <mhz> do you have /opt?
[06:29] <mhz> do you have /etc/ltsp?
[06:29] <corvax> yes
[06:29] <mhz> can you paste your /etc/inetd.conf?
[06:29] <mhz> the line for tftp
[06:31] <corvax> tftp           dgram   udp     wait    root  /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
[06:32] <mhz> that's ok
[06:32] <mhz> finally, /etc/ltsp/ is empty?
[06:32] <corvax> no
[06:33] <mhz> so can you make sure there are no IP written on /etc/dhcp3/dchpd.conf? and if so, let's make a new dhcpd.conf under /etc/ltps/
[06:33] <corvax> dhcpd.conf
[06:33] <mhz> so the only missing file is under /etc/init.d/ ??
[06:33] <corvax> yeah 
[06:33] <corvax> and i havent touched it 
[06:33] <corvax> honest
[06:34] <mhz> hmmm
[06:34] <mhz> let me give you mine
[06:34] <mhz> if that's ok
[06:35] <corvax> well i 
[06:35] <corvax> have dhcp3-server
[06:36] <corvax> but no single dhcpd
[06:36] <corvax> under there
[06:36] <mhz> duh!!!
[06:36] <mhz> that file 
[06:36] <mhz> is ok
[06:36] <mhz> please restart it
[06:36] <mhz> LOL
[06:38] <corvax> hmmm
[06:38] <corvax> how do i 
[06:38] <corvax> it says command not found
[06:38] <corvax> bare with me now
[06:38] <corvax> lol
[06:39] <dabaR> I knew it was that!
[06:39] <mhz> dabaR: _
[06:39] <mhz> ?
[06:39] <dabaR> I was just quiet cause I was not sure.
[06:39] <dabaR> the dhcpd folder.
[06:39] <mhz> corvax: sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server stop
[06:39] <mhz> corvax: sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start
[06:40] <mhz> corvax: sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
[06:40] <mhz> 1st: start
[06:40] <mhz> 2nd: restart
[06:40] <mhz> corvax: that is not found_
[06:40] <mhz> ?
[06:40] <corvax> ok
[06:40] <corvax> got it
[06:42] <corvax> it says dhcp3 is running now
[06:42] <mhz> please reboot now
[06:42] <corvax> reboot?
[06:42] <mhz> and cross your fingersa
[06:42] <corvax> lol
[06:42] <mhz> lol
[06:42] <mhz> i mean, boot the clients
[06:42] <corvax> thought you only had to reboot if you recompiled kernel
[06:42] <mhz> and cross your fingers
[06:42] <corvax> in linux
[06:43] <corvax> hehe
[06:43] <corvax> 1 sec
[06:43] <mhz> D
[06:43] <mhz> :D
[06:43] <corvax> hey i never configured hosts aloow deny etc
[06:43] <corvax> i knoew i had to do it before 
[06:43] <mhz> who cares
[06:43] <mhz> nop
[06:43] <mhz> why_
[06:44] <mhz> you installed edubuntu
[06:44] <mhz> or ubuntu?
[06:44] <corvax> none of those silly configs
[06:44] <corvax> have to be done
[06:44] <mhz> none
[06:44] <corvax> only dhcp?
[06:44] <mhz> long live to Ogra!!!
[06:44] <mhz> yes
[06:44] <corvax> sweet
[06:44] <mhz> indeed
[06:44] <mhz> dabaR: you too cross your fingers :D
[06:46] <dabaR> ok
[06:46] <mhz> hehe
[06:50] <mhz> corvax: so_
[06:51] <mhz> ?
[06:51] <mhz> success?
[06:56] <mhz> corvax: i need to separate my fingers, can I?
[06:56] <corvax> no that ugly ass windows boot screen
[06:56] <corvax> now this is how i have it
[06:56] <corvax> hooked up
[06:57] <corvax> i have the server hooked to switch i have clients hooked to switch
[06:57] <corvax> and i have the uplink from switch
[06:57] <corvax> hooked to router for internet
[07:00] <mhz> corvax: the 1st sentence does not let me understand the situation. success? fail?
[07:01] <corvax> it didnt oxe boot 
[07:01] <corvax> pxe
[07:01] <corvax> it went to harddrive
[07:01] <mhz> if fail, any chance you could try crossover cable or no router?
[07:01] <corvax> i went into bios and set it to boot from lan
[07:02] <corvax> well id loose internet i guess the only reason i have router is for wireless
[07:02] <corvax> anyway
[07:02] <mhz> hehehe
[07:02] <mhz> for the 'try' purpose, please?
[07:03] <Yagisan> sorry  - could you quickly summarise the error
[07:03] <corvax> ok ill unhook it now  ill be disconnected for a bit
[07:03] <mhz> corvax: i dont wanna go to bed befor i get to know if server is ok
[07:03] <mhz> educool!
[07:03] <mhz> Yagisan: still no error
[07:03] <mhz> Yagisan: corvax has a router in the middle
[07:04] <mhz> remember I had exact same problem?
[07:04] <Yagisan> yes, I remember that
[07:04] <mhz> once I did not use the router, edubuntu worked perfectly
[07:04] <mhz> so, we are trying to 1st see if edubuntu runs
[07:05] <mhz> once we know that, he can move on with local net settings
[07:05] <Yagisan> corvax: Most "routers" sold to the home and small business markets are a nat device, primarily designed to share an internet connection
[07:05] <Yagisan> corvax: they are not true routers
[07:06] <mhz> exactly
[07:06] <Yagisan> corvax: hence, you will be unable to use them as a true router
[07:06] <mhz> :=
[07:33] <dabaR> Yagisan: nice sentence^
[07:33] <Yagisan> dabaR: thanks
[07:34] <Yagisan> dabaR: unfortunately it's all true, and really should be put on the wiki
[07:35] <dabaR> off course, it is true, I like how you put it nicely, puts my thoughts about the whole issue nicely together...
[09:00] <highvoltage> JaneW: wb
[09:03] <JaneW> highvoltage: thanks
[09:04] <JaneW> highvoltage: not sure why my line descides to drop randomly....
[09:05] <highvoltage> JaneW: telkom--
[09:05] <JaneW> highvoltage: say no more... ;)
[09:06] <ball> Mine used to do that, but a different modem fixed the problem.
[09:07] <JaneW> ball: this is a 'Hell'kom supplied ADSL modem/router goodie
[09:07] <ball> I'm not familiar with Telkom, but I get the gist.
[09:09] <ball> routers generally suck, and I'm not that keen on integrated modems.
[09:12] <ball> If the modem breaks, you have to throw away a perfectly good router.  If the router breaks... I'd prefer a router with a PC-Card or Cardbus slot so that I could pop in whatever interface suited my needs that year.
[09:13] <ball> POTS, ISDN, terrestrial wireless etc.
[09:16] <ball> Commercial routers have a tendancy to be evil anyway.
[09:16] <ball> I'll shut up now ;-)
[09:19] <JaneW> ball: agreed
[09:20] <ball> Which bit?  About me shutting up?  :-)
[09:22] <JaneW> ball: LOL
[09:22] <JaneW> ball: I was agreeing with your comments about routers and modems :)
[09:23] <ball> Ah good, now I don't feel quite so bad ;-)
[09:54] <ball> wb pere
[09:57] <pere> thanks. :)
[09:59] <jsgotangco> hi JaneW 
[09:59] <JaneW> hi jsgotangco 
[09:59] <jsgotangco> what's give me something to work on soonish....im almost done with the cookbook....
[10:03] <JaneW> cool!
[10:04] <jsgotangco> :P
[10:04] <jsgotangco> cool won't cut it i need it to be reviewed soon
[10:07] <JaneW> :)
[10:09] <ball> hello apokryphos
[10:09] <apokryphos> hello
[10:09] <ball> Bed time, I must go.  :-/
[10:10] <apokryphos> 'night
[10:10] <ball> Goodnight all
[11:35] <ogra> morning
[11:35] <jsgotangco> ogra, hi
[11:37] <JaneW> er can we get in the 'free stationery' business please?
[11:38] <jsgotangco> mmm?
[11:39] <jsgotangco> im not getting you
[11:40] <JaneW> it's EXPENSIVE
[11:41] <jsgotangco> ohh  you mean ubuntu going into free stationaries
[11:42] <JaneW> yes :)
[11:42] <MenZa`> lol
[11:42] <JaneW> maybe I wasn;t clear
[11:42] <JaneW> or outlaw the pencil and paper
[11:42] <JaneW> all work on wikis!
[11:42] <ajmitch_> hah
[11:42] <ajmitch_> educate the kids on wikis as early as possible
[11:43] <jsgotangco> evil
[11:43] <jsgotangco> id rather have my child learn to write :P
[11:44] <ajmitch_> so would I, if I had children :)
[11:44] <jsgotangco> its easy to have one if you desire such...
[11:45] <ajmitch_> not right at the moment, thanks
[11:45] <jsgotangco> i was teaching my kid last weekend to play scrabble
[11:45] <jsgotangco> so she could learn simple words and spell them
[11:46] <JaneW> good idea
[11:47] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:47] <jsgotangco> yeah
[11:47] <ajmitch_> except she kept beating you? ;)
[11:47] <jsgotangco> a year ago i taught her to play dice so she could count
[11:47] <JaneW> jsgotangco: poker next? ;)
[11:48] <jsgotangco> yeah except when I added the words "Encyclopedia" and "Ziggurat" heh
[11:48] <ajmitch_> JaneW: nah, mao :)
[11:48] <JaneW> ajmitch_: indeed!
[11:48] <JaneW> for deductive reasoning...
[11:48] <JaneW> and pure insanity
[11:48] <jsgotangco> more like intimidation...
[11:51] <jsgotangco> we've been buying a lot of simple board games lately, trying my best to avoid using a computer or a videogame to teach as much as posible...
[11:56] <Yagisan> oh ? I've been trying to teach my little girl to use a computer
[11:56] <Yagisan> it's a lot harder to pull apart for her
[11:56] <jsgotangco> oh its not a problem on our home, my girl prefers to use a real laptop rather than her toy one
[11:57] <jsgotangco> i've bought her a toy computer worth $100 and it just self-destruct after a few kiddie torture
[11:58] <Yagisan> I need more robust toys - I think my little girl is an engineer
[11:58] <jsgotangco> my problem at th e moment is her gameboy
[11:58] <Yagisan> She always is giving me "spare" parts
[11:58] <jsgotangco> she won't do her kumon lessons before playing at least an hour
[12:01] <Yagisan> kumon ? isn't that cram school ?
[12:01] <jsgotangco> no
[12:02] <jsgotangco> its not supposed to replace math studies in school
[12:02] <jsgotangco> (others use it for that though)
[12:04] <Yagisan> ah - then I was thinking of juku, both are from Japan though
[12:08] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:09] <jsgotangco> that reminded me when i was an exchange student in suzuka back then...
[12:09] <jsgotangco> high school was literally useless
[12:10] <Yagisan> like the trip ? I was impressed by how different - yet how same it was when I first went
[12:11] <jsgotangco> well yeah
[12:11] <jsgotangco> most of the highschool years they don't study at all except for the last year (college entrace preparation)
[12:12] <Yagisan> I was in country for only a few hours before I broke an electronic toilet, trying to figure out how it worked
[12:12] <jsgotangco> the city toilets are ok, already westernized
[12:12] <jsgotangco> but most homes in far flung areas are still very traditional
[12:13] <Yagisan> I tried both styles
[12:13] <Yagisan> learn to balance or =-O
[12:13] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[12:14] <jsgotangco> i also got the chance to ride those transparent ferris wheel rides
[12:14] <jsgotangco> scary
[12:14] <Yagisan> I got the electronic toilet to "detect" a person when It was empty - blew water right across the hotel room :-[
[12:15] <Yagisan> I went to the top of tokyo tower, and looked through the glass floor - that was freaky
[12:15] <jsgotangco> yeah
[12:16] <jsgotangco> and the officemen wearing porn manga on the way to work
[12:16] <jsgotangco> i mean reading
[12:17] <Yagisan> try to catch the train n peak hour ? that was an experience
[12:17] <jsgotangco> yeah
[12:17] <jsgotangco> hehehe
[12:17] <jsgotangco> the train people have this paddles
[12:17] <jsgotangco> i think they separate the women nowadays
[12:18] <Yagisan> yes, there is a separate womens car in peak hour, because of the perverts on the train
[02:32] <highvoltage> ogra: what's the default username/password for schooltool on edubuntu?
[02:32] <ogra> erm...
[02:34] <highvoltage> i'm probably missing something very obvious here :)
[02:34] <ogra> manager and schooltool
[02:34] <highvoltage> ah, thanks. do we have it on the wiki, or documented somewhere?
[02:35] <ogra> not yet... thanks for reminding... wanted to add it some days ago
[02:35] <highvoltage> i talked to JaneW previously about an edubuntu tour, showing all the futures of ubuntu on one page.
[02:35] <highvoltage> ogra: here's a previe page, i'll add it up there too: http://www.edubuntu.org/proto/tour.html
[02:36] <ogra> thanks
[02:40] <highvoltage> ogra: have you looked at the crystal theme on OOo2? Do you think it's appropriate for edubuntu? I think it's more appropriate than the brown gtk theme.
[02:41] <ogra> i looked at it... i dont like t... 
[02:41] <ogra> but thats personal preference... 
[02:41] <ogra> i never liked any of the crystal stuff... its cold and dead in its glassy look
[02:42] <highvoltage> seems like lots of people don't like it for that reason.
[02:42] <ogra> probably we could ask the gartoon author to produce matching icons for us ;)
[02:43] <highvoltage> i quite like it, apposed to the gtk theme. perhaps we should put out a call for some OOo hackers to put gartoon into OOo
[02:43] <highvoltage> ah, yes. that too :)
[02:43] <ogra> its easy to put anothee theme in if you have icons for it ;)
[02:44] <highvoltage> in OOo too? cool. I thought it needs a re-compile and/or some hard coding.
[02:44] <ogra> sure...
[02:45] <ogra> but its easy if you have access to the source ;)
[02:45] <highvoltage> true :)
[02:45] <highvoltage> it can be a nice excercise for me over the december holidays, just a pity i won't have big internet access.
[02:45] <highvoltage> i think i'll download the entire ubuntu archive in the meantime.
[02:46] <highvoltage> if i need something, i have it.
[02:46] <ogra> note that it will change rapidly...
[02:47] <highvoltage> the OOo releases?
[02:47] <highvoltage> I suppose I could figure out how to do it with an older release,
[02:48] <highvoltage> and once we have the final version before release it could just be copied and pasted into the newer one.
[02:48] <ogra> if it didnt change by then :)
[02:48] <ogra> but for learning its a good way to go i think
[02:50] <highvoltage> if i'd like to wget all the ubuntu packages, could i just download everything from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/ and under?
[02:51] <ogra> apt-cache show debmirror ;)
[02:54] <highvoltage> ogra: do you know how big the breezy archive is, including universe? I would guess about 14GB?
[02:55] <ogra> for one arch, it think...
[02:57] <highvoltage> what does this mean?
[02:57] <highvoltage> Won't mirror without dists/breezy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz signature in Release at /usr/bin/debmirror line 1187.
[03:00] <ogra> hmm, no idea, i dont use debmirror myself... thats a question for -devel
[03:03] <highvoltage> ok
[06:27] <Topslakr> is there any edubuntu docs on how to setup the client or do i just refer to the LTSP project?
[06:35] <Yagisan> Topslakr: what do you want to do ?
[06:35] <ogra> Topslakr, see /topic :)
[06:36] <ogra> Topslakr, there is only one step to do after installation...
[06:36] <Yagisan> turn on :)
[06:37] <Yagisan> .oO(Unless it doesn't support pxe, in which case we a a few more steps)
[06:37] <ogra> nah... the autogeneration of /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf didnt make it... it requites to manually edit this file ... but EdubuntuInstallNotes should cover all common cases
[06:38] <ogra> yes, non PXE is somewhat spethial
[06:38] <Yagisan> ogra: but as I demonstrated, easy to fix
[06:39] <ogra> Yagisan, did you have to do any changes to the tfptboot setup ? 
[06:39] <Yagisan> ogra: and if your pxe has bugs, perhaps a better choice
[06:39] <Yagisan> ogra: none at all - if you follow the wiki
[06:39] <ogra> i was asked this today...
[06:39] <ogra> oh, great, thanks :)
[06:39] <Yagisan> ogra: My instructions specifically set up pxe emulation
[06:39] <ogra> ah, cool
[06:40] <Yagisan> many thanks to whoever formated my instructions nicely
[06:41] <Yagisan> ogra: it will also take advantage of multicast tftp too, if the tftp server supports it
[06:44] <Yagisan> ogra: which can have some substantial bandwidth savings - esp when a whole classroom boots at once
[07:05] <mhz> hi
[07:05] <mhz> ogra, ping
[07:05] <Yagisan> G'day mhz
[07:05] <mhz> hi Yagisan 
[07:06] <ogra> mhz, pong
[07:06] <mhz> do you by any chaNCE KNOW WHICH DECODER OR APP. I SHOULD USE TO play .avi failes
[07:06] <ogra> mhz, you asked if it would make sense to come to UBZ ?
[07:06] <mhz> yes
[07:06] <ogra> mhz, there are some wiki and doc related BOFs...
[07:07] <Yagisan> mhz: what type ? .avi is a container format, eg divx, xvid, indeo ?
[07:07] <mhz> ogra, do you know which decoder and app to use to play avi files?
[07:07] <ogra> mhz, enable uni and multiverse and install gstreamer-pligins-multiverse :)
[07:07] <mhz> Yagisan, hhhhm
[07:07] <mhz> no idea
[07:07] <ogra> then use totem
[07:07] <mhz> is file.avi
[07:07] <mhz> :)
[07:07] <ogra> *plugins
[07:08] <mhz> Yagisan, yes, we tried that unsuccessfully
[07:08] <mhz> is maplyer multiverse?
[07:08] <ogra> yup
[07:08] <Yagisan> mhz: what was your error ? yes mplayer should be multiverse
[07:09] <mhz> okidoki
[07:10] <mhz> they had not edited sourcelist duh!
[07:10] <mhz> sorry
[07:10] <mhz> now il get it
[07:12] <mhz> ogra, Yagisan thx u 2
[07:12] <mhz> sourcelist is being updated now
[07:13] <mhz> ogra, I did read the docs you mention
[07:13] <Yagisan> mhz: what is the talk on ?
[07:13] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero/BOFs
[07:13] <mhz> ogra, however i guess it is more devel oriente and so dont know if spending money on it
[07:14] <ogra> there is a "better wiki" bof for example
[07:14] <mhz> Yagisan, free tech
[07:14] <mhz> and i'll do about communities
[07:14] <mhz> ogra, wow, i missed it
[07:15] <ogra> all the "Help and migration:" paragraph might be intresting
[07:19] <mhz> ogra, ok, so I'll see if i can afford the trip
[07:19] <mhz> :)
[07:20] <ogra> mhz, your decision... i just wanted to point out there is not only dev stuff going on ;)
[07:21] <mhz> ok, educool
[07:21] <mhz> thx
[07:21] <mhz> hope we see tomorrow at 12 utc
[07:21] <mhz> Yagisan, thx for such quick help, too
[07:27] <Yagisan> ogra, just browsing the bofs, you have ThinClientAudio, and ThinClientDevices, any plans for ThinClientLocalApps ?
[07:28] <Yagisan> oh, and any fresh new ltsp patches for me to try ?
[07:28] <ogra> not yet, working on ldm merge so its in the first new package if dapper opens... than your multiarch patch
[07:28] <ogra> *then
[07:29] <ogra> nope, i have no plans for ThinclientLocal apps... and time for dapper feature developemnt will be *very* shourt since we'll have UVF earlier
[07:31] <ogra> (a lot earlier) 
[07:32] <Yagisan> ogra: you will most likely need to implement either traffic shaping or compression for the audio over the network
[07:32] <Yagisan> to keep latency acceptable
[07:32] <ogra> yes, i thought about gstreamer/theora/ssh tunnel
[07:33] <ogra> so we have an ogg stream on the net....
[07:33] <Yagisan> ogg does need a bit of cpu power to encode decode
[07:33] <ogra> yup
[07:34] <Yagisan> adpcm gets 4:1 compression, and needs almost no cpu time (can be done realtime on a 386)
[07:34] <ogra> other suggestions that are gstreamer supported and have such a high rate ? 
[07:34] <Yagisan> but needs more bandwidth
[07:37] <ogra> is there a gstreamer implementation available ? 
[07:43] <Yagisan> ogra: I don't know, adpcm is such an old codec, gstreamer0.8-audiofile should support it
[07:44] <Yagisan> it's a basic modification of the pcm (wav) format
[07:45] <ogra> sounds bandwith hungry
[07:45] <Yagisan> to an extent yes, tradeoff cpu vs bandwidth
[07:46] <ogra> depends if i need more CPU for de or encoding... i have plenty CPU power on the server...
[07:47] <ogra> at least for plings and ploings of gnome it should be enough :)
[07:47] <Yagisan> ogra: someone, somewhere, is going to try and play their mp3/ogg collection on that server
[07:48] <Yagisan> in any rate, it should be low cpu decode
[07:48] <ogra> yup
[07:48] <Yagisan> because clients can be anything from a 486 up
[07:50] <ogra> yup
[07:50] <Yagisan> ograL flac may be better, fast decode, more bandwidth efficient then adpcm, and has a gstreamer plugin
[07:50] <Yagisan> *ogra
[07:50] <ogra> yup
[07:51] <ogra> lets see how to implement it.. i think gstreamer is the right way... it covers desktop, totem and rhythmbox as well as all gnome apps... 
[07:52] <ogra> the prob is to make the kdeedu apps tlak to gstreamer
[07:52] <Yagisan> what about apps that talk directly to alsa or oss ?
[07:53] <Yagisan> found a compression here http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Lossless_comparison for flac
[07:53] <Yagisan> s/compression/comparison
[07:53] <ogra> they are not in the desktop we ship and it would be a huge ugly hack to do networked alsa
[07:54] <ogra> thanlks :)
[07:57] <Yagisan> using me (a non-typical case I know), I'd want xmms to work, perhaps vmware (it grabs /dev/dsp and isn't shipped by you), timidity
[07:57] <Yagisan> and most likely a few others to work (wesnoth :) )
[08:02] <ogra> thats not my target yet for basic audio support...
[08:08] <ogra> we an extend what we have later...
[08:08] <ogra> like we do now with the release
[08:08] <ogra> one step at a time as long as i dont have more devs helping...
[08:09] <Yagisan> I understand, I try to help where I can
[09:44] <geoffTheFish> can i set up one user to use edubuntu, the rest ubuntu?
[09:46] <ogra> nope
[09:47] <ogra> except you have different hardware for them :)
[09:47] <ogra> but note that edubuntu *is* ubuntu ;)
[09:47] <ogra> just another app selection, some server stuff and another look added on top
[09:48] <geoffTheFish> can i get the look, its for my son - i have installed gcompris etc
[09:49] <ogra> edubuntu-artwork is a systemwide package, you would need to install its components separately...
[09:50] <ogra> to not make the settings affect the whole system...
[09:50] <geoffTheFish> sounds complicated - maybe i'll just get a screenshot to use as desktop!
[09:51] <ogra> install gartoon-icon-theme and the Edubuntu-Girl wallpaper from art.ubuntu.com then you have basiacally the look ... select both for him :)
[09:51] <ogra> (gartoon is in breezy)
[09:51] <geoffTheFish> ok ta
[11:28] <fernandokts> where can I get some help about Edubuntu?
[11:29] <ogra> here ? 
[11:29] <ogra> just ask away :)
[11:29] <fernandokts> thanks
[11:29] <fernandokts> so
[11:31] <fernandokts> I installed Edubuntu in default in a computer to be the ltsp server...
[11:31] <fernandokts> It's working great with PS2 mouse clients 
[11:31] <fernandokts> but when I boot a Serial Mouse, the mouse doesn't work
[11:32] <fernandokts> but when I boot a Serial Mouse Client, the mouse doesn't work
[11:32] <ogra> oh, thats a genereal ubuntu problem...
[11:32] <fernandokts> and when I run ltspadmin it says that Xdmcp isn't installed, 
[11:32] <ogra> we cant detect serial mice
[11:32] <fernandokts> hmm
[11:33] <ogra> ltspadmin isnt used in edubuntus ltsp... the implementation is brandnew and developed in ubuntu, the main ltsp team is just adopting it
[11:34] <fernandokts> that answers a lot
[11:34] <ogra> we'll have gui tools to manage the ltsp setup in the next release
[11:34] <fernandokts> is there any config tool for this version?
[11:34] <fernandokts> or any config files
[11:34] <ogra> currently only lts.conf
[11:35] <ogra> place it in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ on the server, there is a example file in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client
[11:35] <fernandokts> is that one different from that created by ltspadmin?
[11:36] <ogra> tha majority of original ltsp options should work if you are familiar with the syntax
[11:36] <ogra> i dont know what ltspadmin creates ...
[11:36] <ogra> i guess there will be a lot of overhead
[11:37] <ogra> since we can autodetect a lot in our implementation which doesnt work in legacy ltsp
[11:37] <fernandokts> the funny thing is: when I use lts.conf in ../etc the clients(that weren't starting in GDM) start in GDM but the keyboard doesn't work
[11:38] <fernandokts> if I specify a serial mouse in lts.conf should that work?
[11:39] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes has some hints for keyboard settings...
[11:39] <ogra> i think so...
[11:40] <ogra> but i would remove all other entrys from the file... it moght confuse te autodetection, i dont know what ltspadmin adds there
[11:41] <fernandokts> maybe that's why it stops the keyboard
[11:41] <fernandokts> I work in a School in Brazil and the teatchers and Students loved Edubuntu
[11:41] <ogra> great :)
[11:42] <fernandokts> and soon we are thinking in helping the edubunt team some how
[11:42] <ogra> the next release will be really slick, this one was mainly targeted in developing a base to build bigger stuff on in the future...
[11:42] <ogra> any help is absolutely welcome... :)
[11:43] <fernandokts> thanks, is there any date you are thinking for the release
[11:43] <fernandokts> ?
[11:43] <ogra> this release was a one man show wrt development, if we cant get a team together it wont go on :)
[11:44] <ogra> april is the next release... edubuntu is bound to the release schedule of ubuntu
[11:44] <fernandokts> ok then
[11:44] <fernandokts> so, thank you very much
[11:44] <ogra> youre welcome... 
[11:45] <ogra> come back any time :)
[11:45] <fernandokts> thanks
[11:45] <fernandokts> bye
[11:45] <fernandokts> exit
[11:45] <fernandokts> sorry
[11:45] <ogra> bye :)