[12:03] <_david> Is there something way I can turn off logging?
[12:03] <Aapzak> I'm a reiser user, it's faster with smaller files they say, not that I notice that
[12:03] <bobbyd> _david: the real thing is that some filesystems journal and some don't. Journalling means that it keep track of what it was doing os if it gets interrupted it can recover
[12:03] <Hobart> _david -> I believe Linux itself will use caching, regardles of filesystem
[12:03] <Hobart> _david -> "turn off logging"?  Well, you can convert your ext3 down to ext2.  But then you're likely going to loose some files if you accidentally power off.
[12:03] <_david> Well, this is a seperate question - unrealted to file system
[12:03] <Aapzak> he means logging in /var/log/
[12:04] <Aapzak> I geuss
[12:04] <Hobart> ah
[12:04] <_david> Sorry :-P
[12:04] <Aapzak> lets count my /var/log ....
[12:04] <_david> I want to access the HDD as little as possible
[12:04] <_dr> chmod -r 400 /var/log.. ;-)
[12:05] <DaSkreech> _david: shut off syslog
[12:05] <_david> How do I do that?
[12:05] <Aapzak> 165Mb in lots of days, no worries
[12:05] <icewt> anyone else having problems with entering in admistravite in various System Settings -thingies?
[12:05] <Aapzak> MB
[12:05] <_david> No, it's not an issue of capacity, I would like to try and extend the life of my drive as mucha s possible
[12:06] <Aapzak> allright, unplug them and run the livecd :)
[12:06] <_david> and amazingly enough, I see my HDD lights flashing more during normal use than when I run WinXP
[12:06] <icewt> err.. i mean entering in "Administrator Mode..." for example in System Settings -> Login Manager ?
[12:06] <_david> Is there a way to turn of logging ?
[12:07] <Aapzak> _david: sure there is, maybe just bringing down syslogd will do the trick, or configure it to log almost nothing
[12:07] <icewt> when i press the "Administrator Mode.." and enter my password, it waits for a while and then.. nothing. i'm still in normal user mode :/
[12:07] <_david> Sorry - I'm a linux newbie
[12:07] <_david> How do I configure it?
[12:08] <apokryphos> icewt: alt+f2 -> kdesu kcontrol
[12:08] <_dr> -> david: edit the /etc/syslog.conf file
[12:08] <Aapzak> _david: I never configured syslogd, but I've seen someone do it. The config file is probably in /etc/syslog.conf
[12:08] <ku_dude> anybody know what library is needed to let amarok play mp3 files?
[12:08] <_david> Okay, thanks let me take a look
[12:10] <apokryphos> ku_dude: check the kubuntu.org FAQ
[12:10] <ku_dude> cool. thanks.
[12:10] <Aapzak> _david: I'm running Gentoo, and don't have that /etc/syslog.conf. I'm not sure how its done in Kubuntu
[12:11] <_dr> you could try to shut down the syslog service by typing sudo /etc/init.d/sysklog stop.. but i don't guarantee for ANYTHING.. ;-)
[12:11] <_david> I found it
[12:11] <_david> Do I just comment it out?
[12:11] <Aapzak> what kind of entries do you have?
[12:11] <Aapzak> something.somthing        /var/log/messages?
[12:11] <Aapzak> and stuff like that?
[12:11] <DaSkreech> _dr: He'd need to stop it from starting the next time he reboots
[12:11] <_david> Yeah
[12:12] <icewt> apokryphos, ah, that works. thanks. i wonder though why it doesn't work through the "Administrator Mode.."-button. is this a known problem or am i alone with this?
[12:12] <apokryphos> long-time known bug
[12:12] <Aapzak> is it something.*
[12:12] <Aapzak> ?
[12:12] <_david> YEah
[12:12] <apokryphos> and of the most annoying kind ;-)
[12:12] <icewt> apokryphos, ok. "good" ;)
[12:12] <crimsun> _david: you could just enable laptop mode
[12:12] <_dr> ok.. then sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/S10sysklogd
[12:12] <Aapzak> crimsun: what are we getting now? :)     Tell us more!
[12:13] <Aapzak> no need to configure the syslogd ?
[12:13] <_david> Alright well I need to run off for a date - I will try this later! Thank you so much for all of your help!
[12:13] <Aapzak> stop!
[12:13] <DaSkreech> We expect money!! :)
[12:13] <Aapzak> something.no    will stop logging
[12:13] <DaSkreech> Or a pizza
[12:13] <Aapzak> I believe
[12:13] <crimsun> Aapzak: look at /etc/default/acpi-support
[12:13] <_david> Okay
[12:14] <_david> I decided I won't mess around with it for now
[12:14] <Aapzak> man syslog or man syslogd
[12:14] <Aapzak> good luck
[12:14] <_david> I'll get over the flashes
[12:14] <Aapzak> :)
[12:14] <Aapzak> crimsun: I don't have kubuntu, was just trying to help david
[12:15] <Aapzak> but thats interesting stuff anyway
[12:15] <Aapzak> change logging depending on AC power or not and stuff like that?
[12:16] <bobbyd> where is kcalc in breezy? is it deprecated?
[12:16] <_dr> and what does "laptop-mode" do?
[12:17] <bobbyd> speedcrunch seems worse
[12:17] <kkathman> ok I know Im goin out of my mind...whats that apt- command that looks for a particular package in the sources? It has just escaped my memory :(
[12:17] <crimsun> kkathman: apt-cache search foo
[12:17] <Aapzak> apt-cache search ?
[12:17] <kkathman> yah thats its...thankx...
[12:17] <Aapzak> de nada
[12:17] <kkathman> dang Im gettin old
[12:17] <Aapzak> :)
[12:17] <crimsun> _dr: see the scripts
[12:18] <apokryphos> bobbyd: no, it's just part of kdeutils pack
[12:18] <DaSkreech> apt-get install ut2007
[12:18] <apokryphos> bobbyd: which isn't installed by default afaik
[12:18] <kkathman> I tell ya, the mind is going but at least other things are still alive :)
[12:18] <Aapzak> I love cache search BTW, it's so fast and searches so well
[12:18] <Aapzak> :)
[12:18] <Aapzak> ol' dirty b
[12:18] <Aapzak> :)
[12:19] <Aapzak> DaSkreech: I wish for a apt-get install counterstrike-source
[12:19] <Aapzak> I think you will be served sooner
[12:19] <DaSkreech> I wish I could apt-get install happypenguin_links
[12:20] <Aapzak> dunno that
[12:20] <kkathman> lol
[12:20] <Aapzak> look at the time
[12:20] <kkathman> anyone tried out the new Koffice suite?
[12:20] <Aapzak> I enjoy hanging around with you Kubuntu people, but I gtg
[12:20] <DaSkreech> Aapzak: Bye
[12:21] <kkathman> come back soon Aapzak :)
[12:21] <Aapzak> cu around room!    I will kkathman 
[12:21] <kaworu> ng around with you Kubuntu people, but I gtg
 Aapzak: Bye
 come back soon Aapza
[12:21] <icewt> whoa, i must say kde feels like heaven after using gnome for many years :)
[12:21] <kaworu> ops
[12:21] <kkathman> lol kaworu :)
[12:22] <kkathman> and icewt
[12:26] <DaSkreech> icewt: they are getting some of "that vision stuff" so watch out :-)
[12:27] <icewt> DaSkreech, :)
[12:30] <kkathman> so on the breezy-release page I read about this Katapult feature with Alt-Space...anyone got that to work?
[12:31] <icewt> hm.. i guess KDE4 won't make it in the next version of kubuntu then(?)
[12:31] <Phobos> kkathman: it's pretty cool, but I can't get it to recognize any packages installed after the initial installation.
[12:31] <DaSkreech> I'm still waiting for the sexed up packages mindmap
[12:32] <DaSkreech> Knowing KDE I hope KDE 3.5 makes it into the next Kubuntu
[12:33] <Phobos> DaSkreech: I should be KDE 3.5 is set to come out Nov 23
[12:33] <Phobos> it... I mean
[12:34] <DaSkreech> I know but KDE has a very loose respect for deadlines
[12:34] <DaSkreech> If something really really Kool Komes along the deadline gets ciced bacc :-)
[12:34] <DaSkreech> Wait
[12:34] <DaSkreech> that should be bakc
[12:35] <Phobos> is anybody else getting GPG errors when updating?
[12:35] <DaSkreech> and cikced now that I thinc about it
[12:35] <DaSkreech> I was last week then my net died
[12:35] <kkathman> Phobos: you mean Koffice?
[12:35] <DaSkreech> Phobos: I was getting it on all security updates
[12:35] <Phobos> kkathman: no, katapult.
[12:35] <kkathman> Phobos: Ohh you mean the Alt-Spacebar thingy...yah it doesnt seem to do much here either
[12:36] <kkathman> I thought it was supposed to popup a dialog...it doesnt
[12:36] <Phobos> It is supposed to, do you have it running?
[12:36] <kkathman> Phobos: do you have to "start it" ??
[12:36] <Phobos> kkathman: the first time you do, then your KDE session should handle it after that.
[12:37] <kkathman> hmm where do you start it from?
[12:37] <Phobos> alt-f2, then type katapult
[12:37] <kkathman> ahh ok
[12:39] <kkathman> hmm ok that works fine now...thanks
[12:39] <Phobos> kkathman: np
[12:39] <DaSkreech> Phobos: Whats katapult?
[12:39] <Phobos> DaSkreech: a file launcher. It's like QuickSilver for OS X
[12:39] <apokryphos> !katapult
[12:39] <ubotu> well, katapult is an application for KDE designed to provide faster access to applications, bookmarks and other items. Once you've installed it, alt+f2 ->katapult, then hit Alt+Space. When splash screen appears, type the command you want.
[12:40] <kkathman> kind of a bit goofy isnt it :) LOL
[12:40] <DaSkreech> Thats the instasearch thingy
[12:40] <icewt> should i use nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-legacy for Geforce4 ?
[12:40] <crimsun> the former
[12:40] <kkathman> lol seems kind of a graphical alt-f2 :)
[12:40] <DaSkreech> whats the diff between that and alt+f2?
[12:40] <Phobos> I'm using nvidia-glx with my Geforce4.
[12:40] <icewt> crimsun: thanks
[12:40] <Phobos> it has auto complete
[12:40] <kkathman> DaSkreech: katapult will take what you start with
[12:41] <DaSkreech> Alt+F2 does that
[12:42] <Phobos> yeah, only if you've alt+f2'd it before
[12:42] <DaSkreech> ah
[12:43] <DaSkreech> Guess I'm a creature of habit
[12:43] <_justin> IS there anyone who could send me the install file of wine for kubuntu, the link seems to be down
[12:46] <Phobos> _justin: what do you mean down?
[12:48] <_justin> I cant find it anywhere else, the Ubuntu download for wine doesnt come up
[12:48] <_justin> i am new to linux to..
[12:48] <_justin> I don't understand theinstall process of kubuntu
[12:49] <Lupin__III> hi
[12:49] <crimsun> _justin: open Adept and search for WINE, and install it
[12:50] <_justin> the package manager?
[12:50] <Phobos> _justin: yeah
[12:51] <Lupin__III> _justin:  you can simply type in console:
[12:51] <Lupin__III> sudo apt-get install wine
[12:51] <_nicolas> Hi. I have a problem with ipodslave. When I type ipod:/ it says it has a problem to load kio_ipodslave
[12:51] <kkathman> Im not particularly wild about wine
[12:51] <kkathman> unless its to play games I suppose
[12:51] <_justin> thats what its for
[12:51] <kkathman> hopefully it will work for you
[12:51] <kkathman> it doesnt always
[12:52] <icewt> hm.. i can only get 60Hz refresh rate (in 1600x1200) with the binary nvidia drivers while should get (and got with hoary) 75Hz :/
[12:52] <DaSkreech> can amarok handle iPods?
[12:52] <_justin> i only have kynaptic
[12:52] <_justin> and theres no search feature
[12:52] <Phobos> DaSkreech: It can, under the media devices tab
[12:52] <_nicolas> DaSkreech: In theory with ipodslave but I just asked about it as I have problems
[12:52] <Lupin__III> _justin: sudo apt-get install wine
[12:53] <Lupin__III> in a terminal
[12:53] <kkathman> icewt: I have 75Hz on my 1280x1024
[12:53] <kkathman> and I use nVidia
[12:53] <_justin> Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:54] <kkathman> _justin: be sure to run with sudo
[12:54] <Lupin__III> _justin: close aptitude first
[12:54] <icewt> kkathman, yeah, if i only knew what's wrong with this..
[12:54] <_justin> E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[12:54] <Lupin__III> _justin: try:
[12:55] <Lupin__III> sudo apt-cache search wine
[12:55] <crimsun> you need to enable universe
[12:55] <crimsun> !tell _justin about repos
[12:55] <Lupin__III> and check your source.list
[12:55] <Lupin__III> you need to enable universe repository
[12:56] <_justin> Is enabling universe in the description you sent me crimsun?
[12:56] <Pixels-> apokryphos: you still here
[12:56] <kkathman> hmm this is odd
[12:56] <kkathman> koffice wont run :(
[12:56] <apokryphos> Pixels-: nope
[12:56] <apokryphos> kkathman: how come?
[12:56] <kkathman> guess its not quite ready
[12:56] <apokryphos> what's the error?
[12:57] <Pixels-> hey i checked the output in /var/log/messages
[12:57] <kkathman> apokryphos: dunno...it seemed to complete the install (lots of those 
[12:57] <kkathman> previously deselected" messages
[12:57] <kkathman> but when I do a whereis koffice...comes back with nada
[12:57] <Pixels-> and at loadup mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice and nput: ImExPS/2 Generic Explorer Mouse on isa0060/serio1
[12:58] <kkathman> ah never mind
[12:58] <kkathman> it put it on the menu I see
[12:58] <Pixels-> nput = input
[12:58] <Lupin__III> _justin: do you know vi?
[12:58] <Pixels-> is that supposed to be like that?
[12:59] <Pixels-> its like 2 different mouse protcols
[12:59] <kkathman> is Kexi separate from Koffice?
[12:59] <_justin> no
[01:00] <_justin> theese instructions for enabling resposiotries are for kubuntu, and i don't have the things it tells me to open example: setting in my package manager
[01:00] <_justin> ubuntu*
[01:00] <_justin> i have kubuntu
[01:00] <apokryphos> kkathman: in kde, nope; in kubuntu -- yes
[01:01] <Lupin__III> _justin: it's the same.
[01:01] <Lupin__III> _justin: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[01:01] <kkathman> apokryphos: I did an apt-get install koffice and I dont see Kexi, so I assume I need to do it separately :)
[01:02] <Lupin__III> _justin: open /etc/apt/source.list, with your favourite editor (don't forget sudo)
[01:02] <_nicolas> kkathman: Right
[01:02] <kkathman> and yes, I didnt install kubuntu :) 
[01:02] <kkathman> thanks 
[01:02] <apokryphos> kkathman: what's even more weird is: alt+f2 -> khelpcenter -> kubuntu documents -> kubuntu release notes
[01:03] <apokryphos> see the note about kexi :D
[01:03] <Lupin__III> _justin:  the simplest thing is:
[01:03] <Lupin__III> open a terminal
[01:03] <_justin> k
[01:04] <Lupin__III> and type: sudo vi /etc/apt/source.list
[01:04] <_justin> k then what
[01:04] <_justin> that enabled respetories?
[01:04] <Lupin__III> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[01:05] <Lupin__III> it would looks like this
[01:05] <kkathman> apokryphos: not sure if that was toungue-in-cheek, but thanks anyway...thats very nice to know...maybe something for the topic?
[01:06] <_justin> when i toped in that last command, it now says shell, and it says sudo vi /etc/apt/source.list at the bottom and it is a blank screen looks like it created a new file.
[01:07] <Lupin__III> that's odd
[01:07] <Lupin__III> ok
[01:07] <Lupin__III> create it
[01:07] <_justin> did
[01:07] <apokryphos> kkathman: it was; found it funny
[01:07] <_justin> i think that command created it
[01:08] <kkathman> apokryphos: no prob, I stand embarassed...but you always find a way to help :)
[01:08] <Lupin__III> _justin: yes of course it did, paste in the code i've suggested in the link
[01:09] <Lupin__III> _justin: wait
[01:09] <Lupin__III> i mistiped the code
[01:10] <Lupin__III> is /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:10] <Lupin__III> not
[01:10] <Lupin__III> /etc/apt/source.list
[01:11] <Lupin__III> that explains why vi created a new file!
[01:11] <Lupin__III> sorry
[01:11] <_justin> sudo /etc/apt/source.list
[01:11] <_justin> np ty for help
[01:11] <_justin> so put that in terminal?
[01:11] <Lupin__III> sudo vi sudo /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:11] <Lupin__III> in a terminal
[01:12] <_justin> k
[01:12] <_justin> now paste the code?
[01:12] <_justin> it's still a blank file
[01:12] <_justin> so wouldn't i need the full code?
[01:13] <Lupin__III> yes, paste the code
[01:14] <_justin> starting in the link you gave me i copy what, step 2 or three of the link. under respositorys
[01:15] <Lupin__III> from: "Replace with the following lines"
[01:15] <_justin> k im going to copy the code under "replace with" into my empty source.list file?
[01:15] <Lupin__III> sources.list
[01:15] <Lupin__III> not
[01:16] <_justin> ya
[01:16] <Lupin__III> source.list
[01:16] <_justin> thats what i meant
[01:16] <Lupin__III> right
[01:16] <_justin> k it copied, it beeped and now says insert
[01:16] <Lupin__III> ok, now save and exit
[01:17] <_justin> wow never thought i'd ask this question: how do i save?
[01:17] <poimen> Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder <----------- someone here kwons if this works under ubuntu 
[01:17] <_justin> lol..i feel like such a newbie on linux
[01:17] <apokryphos> _justin: bad idea to begin with vi IMO
[01:18] <poimen> I have been searching on google and I dont kwon if it works with ivtv or the c88 driver or if this not really work
[01:18] <apokryphos> _justin: you can always just alt+f2 -> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list   ..graphical editor for you
[01:18] <krawek> vim is the best
[01:18] <apokryphos> not for a new user; that'll just scare them away most probably
[01:18] <_justin> yep you guys lost me
[01:19] <_justin> Ok i'm in the terminal where i just pasted that code, does that mean universe is enabled if i save it?
[01:19] <_justin> settings -> save as default? should i do that
[01:23] <apokryphos> _justin: what are you trying to do again? Add extra repos?
[01:23] <daveg67> justin are you using 5.04 or 5.10
[01:23] <apokryphos> hoary
[01:23] <Lupin__III> that's why i asked if you're familiar with vi...
[01:23] <Lupin__III> so, let's do it step by step
[01:23] <Lupin__III> type esc and u
[01:23] <Lupin__III> u several times, 'till you have an empty file
[01:23] <Lupin__III> done?
[01:24] <_justin> at same time?
[01:24] <_justin> oh
[01:24] <_justin> for the source.list
[01:24] <_justin> uhm about that
[01:24] <_justin> it looks like it's not opening source.list
[01:25] <_justin> it says "Shell" at the top
[01:25] <daveg67> it is sources.list not source.list
[01:25] <_justin> ya thats what i typed
[01:26] <_justin> sudo vi sudo /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:26] <_justin> into terminal
[01:26] <Tallia1-KubuntU> HEY? do you suggest me to remove the previous .deb version of amarok before reinstalling from source or not?
[01:26] <Lupin__III> ok
[01:26] <Lupin__III> you have an empty file, right?
[01:26] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: often a good idea to just install in /usr/local
[01:26] <_justin> now it says "sudo" [New File"]  at the bottom
[01:26] <Pupeno> Hello.
[01:26] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: 
[01:26] <Tallia1-KubuntU> ?
[01:26] <Lupin__III> no
[01:26] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: what do you mean?
[01:26] <_justin> Justin@ubuntu: /home/justin - Shell - Konsole on the window title bar
[01:27] <Lupin__III> sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:27] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: so ./configure --prefix=/usr/local
[01:27] <Lupin__III> ok let's make this way
[01:27] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: that way you can run newer versions of amarok without conflicting with your kubuntu packs
[01:27] <Tallia1-KubuntU> ahh.. and so i can change the target directory? (ALL files in the same place?)
[01:27] <Lupin__III> type esc, then :q!
[01:28] <toby> hello - i changed from a none-utf8 linux to ubuntu now if i open a text file i experience problems because they are iso-xxx - should i change the default encoding?
[01:28] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: it is like winzoz installation? "all" files in the same folder?
[01:28] <Lupin__III> and come back to the promt
[01:28] <poimen> how do I put a module to load in startup?
[01:28] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: eh? It's the exact opposite
[01:28] <_justin> wait i think i got it
[01:28] <_justin> can i pm u and paste the stuff it says
[01:28] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: can you explain to my how it functions?
[01:29] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: and what changes from ./configure that i always use and --prefix =***
[01:29] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: default install path is /usr ; installing to /usr/local/ means you can have another version of amarok there (which you could make a shortcut to)
[01:29] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: you should always specify the --prefix on a configure anyway
[01:29] <apokryphos> (you can end up installing to a totally different location in some cases)
[01:29] <Tallia1-KubuntU> for example i have a drive where i use to keep lots of big sized programs
[01:29] <_justin> deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release amd64 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted
[01:30] <Tallia1-KubuntU> is there a way that all the files must be put there?
[01:30] <_justin> "/etc/apt/sources.list" 27L, 1375C        1,1           Top
[01:30] <Tallia1-KubuntU> so i can put all the builded programs in a place and all the packaged in the system default directory?
[01:30] <Lupin__III> _justin: type esc, then :q!
[01:31] <Lupin__III> this quit vi
[01:31] <Lupin__III> without save
[01:31] <krawek> quit without save
[01:31] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: so you wanna install all things to a different HD?
[01:31] <Lupin__III> _justin: done?
[01:31] <Tallia1-KubuntU> yep
[01:31] <_justin> k
[01:31] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: it's what i want to do
[01:32] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: not easily done, but you can just create symlinks if you like
[01:32] <Lupin__III> now you're at the prompt, right?
[01:32] <_justin> i quit without saving
[01:32] <DaSkreech> Lupin__III: Make him use nano
[01:32] <_justin> yes
[01:32] <Lupin__III> is what i wanted to do
[01:32] <apokryphos> or kate/kwrite -- even better
[01:32] <Lupin__III> now
[01:32] <Lupin__III> type
[01:32] <krawek> vim is the best
[01:32] <Pixels-> i finally got a mouse to work
[01:32] <Pixels-> had to find my old half working usb mouse
[01:32] <Pixels-> lol
[01:32] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: ? what do you mean ? i know that i can install programs and then put a symlink to the bin in the /usr/bin folder but how
[01:32] <Lupin__III> _justin:  sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:33] <_justin> k
[01:33] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: i can tell to the builder to intall files in a proper position?
[01:33] <apokryphos> _justin: I really think you should use kate or kwrite, which are graphical editors
[01:33] <_justin> done
[01:33] <Lupin__III> it's an empty file?
[01:33] <apokryphos> _justin: you don't *need* to use CLI for this at all
[01:33] <_justin> no
[01:33] <_justin> its got stuff 
[01:33] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: like ./configure destination="/media/appz/amarok" make make install
[01:33] <krawek> Tallia1-KubuntU: kde programs in kde-config --prefix
[01:33] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: is it possible?
[01:33] <Lupin__III> something like deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[01:33] <Lupin__III> ?
[01:33] <Pixels-> uhh.. i forgot how to set myself up in sudoers
[01:33] <Pixels-> lol
[01:34] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: well, not really -- because it will have failed depends (it will be looking for kde in the destination=
[01:34] <Tallia1-KubuntU> krawek: ? what do you mean
[01:34] <krawek> Tallia1-KubuntU: is a command, kde-config --prefix
[01:34] <Tallia1-KubuntU> krawek: and what does it do?
[01:34] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: but what you can do is find a really big folder on HD-X, copy it to HD-Y, then remove it on HD-X and just create a symbolic link to its location on HD-Y
[01:34] <_justin> That link is a index page
[01:34] <Lupin__III> oh
[01:35] <Pupeno> Is there a reliable way to configure my network ? including my wifi ?
[01:35] <Lupin__III> i mean something like "deb http://......"
[01:35] <Tallia1-KubuntU> mhh
[01:35] <Tallia1-KubuntU> i understand..
[01:35] <Lupin__III> not to check the link
[01:35] <Tallia1-KubuntU> like to move all the /usr folder to another partition..
[01:35] <_justin> deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release amd64 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted
[01:36] <Tallia1-KubuntU> and to move the home folder?
[01:36] <Lupin__III> that's all?
[01:36] <krawek> when you build kde programs from source, you need configure the prefix to `kde-config --prefix`: ./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix`
[01:36] <_justin> no
[01:36] <Tallia1-KubuntU> how this could be done?
[01:36] <apokryphos> Pixels-: sudo adduser jimbob admin
[01:36] <_justin> but i dont want to paste in this channel
[01:36] <DaSkreech> Pixels-: You need to edit /etc/sudoers
[01:36] <_justin> can i pm it to you?
[01:36] <Tallia1-KubuntU> krawek: and what does it cause?
[01:36] <Pixels-> okay ty
[01:36] <apokryphos> krawek: yes, or you can of course choose `kde-config --prefix`/local
[01:36] <Lupin__III> yes, better
[01:37] <Tallia1-KubuntU> krawek: is the place where kde use to install its applications?
[01:37] <apokryphos> yes
[01:37] <Pupeno> maybe a text-mode tool that is more reliable that the graphical ones ?
[01:37] <krawek> bye
[01:37] <DaSkreech> Who's on dapper?
[01:37] <Tallia1-KubuntU> but this works only with kde programs right?
[01:38] <_justin> get it?
[01:38] <_justin> can any one read what i write, it looks like i got banned for that pm lupin
[01:38] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: considering the repo isn't even out yet...
[01:38] <apokryphos> _justin: you need to register your nick to PM on freenode
[01:38] <Pixels-> ty DaSkreech
[01:38] <Pixels-> its been awhile since i had to setup sudo lol
[01:38] <DaSkreech> Pixels-: Might want to make yourself nopasswd
[01:39] <apokryphos> or not....
[01:39] <Pixels-> ack, how do i do that?
[01:39] <DaSkreech> Pixels-: Man is your friend
[01:39] <Tallia1-KubuntU> krawek: so if i want to install amarok in a different position i have to write? ./configure -prefix="/media/appz"
[01:39] <apokryphos> Pixels-: see the /topic FAQ
[01:39] <Pixels-> i did, but my graphics are a bit blurry
[01:39] <Pixels-> and so nano is hard to read
[01:39] <DaSkreech> Pixels-: On second thought let it ride for a while :)
[01:39] <_justin> ok i see the ## stuff that i can replace so i will replace it
[01:39] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: but you cannot do that, as I said -- it will look for kde in /media/appz, and it will find it's not there so the configure will fail
[01:39] <_justin> then do i save as default?
[01:39] <Pixels-> i need to fix some stuff :)
[01:39] <Lupin__III> _justin: check this link. the sources.list must look like this
[01:40] <Lupin__III> http://ubuntuguide.org/sample/sources.list_extrarepositories
[01:40] <DaSkreech> Pixels-: Till you remember what will cause clouds of smoke and what wont
[01:40] <_justin> yes it does
[01:40] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: ah..
[01:40] <Pixels-> just used to play debian
[01:40] <Tallia1-KubuntU> so the only thing is to move the huge /usr/bin and symlink it
[01:40] <Pixels-> but i played on the wildside, unstable all the way :)
[01:40] <Tallia1-KubuntU> "/usr"
[01:40] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: Man I want dapper :-( It's supposed to be the Vista vs 
[01:40] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: you can, yes
[01:41] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: are you kiddin'? Breezy just came out
[01:41] <Lupin__III> the line with "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe" is commented?
[01:41] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: and the other thing is..... to change the home directory?
[01:41] <Lupin__III> if yes uncomment
[01:41] <Lupin__III> it
[01:41] <_justin> yes it has the # in front
[01:41] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: I normally always have a seperate partition for my /home
[01:41] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: And so the decay starts
[01:41] <Lupin__III> del #
[01:42] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: and wasting dear ubuntu's bandwidth, I'm sure
[01:42] <DaSkreech> plus a whole lotta stuff I was waiting for in breezy never came about
[01:42] <DaSkreech> About that
[01:42] <DaSkreech>  can synaptic be jiggered to use a torrent lilke protocol?
[01:42] <_justin> it wont let me edit it
[01:42] <DaSkreech> In general that would suck
[01:42] <DaSkreech> but for testing versions I think ti would be useful
[01:43] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: entirely reprogrammed; entirely different app
[01:43] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: by now it is in the same place
[01:43] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: but i have a partition free to move it
[01:43] <Lupin__III> _justin: delete all # before the lines that begin with deb http://....foo
[01:43] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: how i can do it?
[01:43] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: Agreed. ut for testing versions only
[01:43] <Lupin__III> _justin: have you opened the file with the command:
[01:43] <_justin> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:44] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: ok, so what are we trying to do  -- symlink your /home to somewhere else?
[01:44] <Lupin__III> it's right
[01:44] <_justin> it says read 27 lines im wondering if my file is cut off
[01:44] <_justin> i see all the numbers
[01:44] <_justin> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[01:44] <_justin> ## team.
[01:45] <_justin> those are my last lines
[01:45] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: I recommend remounting the entire partition as /home itself, actually
[01:45] <_justin> then it says ^G get help
[01:45] <_justin> ^O WriteOut
[01:45] <_justin> ect..
[01:45] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: don't get it
[01:45] <apokryphos> _justin, Lupin__III: just changing sources.list can't be this hard
[01:45] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: no i want to move it
[01:45] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: not symlink
[01:45] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: like you have
[01:45] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: symlink is moving its location
[01:45] <_justin> sry this is my first day on linux
[01:46] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: ok, then we'll be remounting the HD-Y as /home
[01:46] <_justin> i just want a windows emulator to play games on a 64 bit os :(
[01:46] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: might as well /msg me to give the others a bit of quiet =)
[01:46] <_justin> wait
[01:46] <_justin> I DID It
[01:46] <_justin> haha
[01:46] <_justin> how do i save
[01:46] <apokryphos> _justin: no, don't apologise -- there aren't proper docs for kubuntu's repo replacing =)
[01:46] <_justin> save as default or save session
[01:47] <apokryphos> i.e. not your fault at all
[01:47] <Lupin__III> ^O
[01:47] <_justin> that makes me feel a little smarter
[01:47] <_justin> :P
[01:47] <Tallia1-KubuntU> i can't send you since i'm not registered
[01:47] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: /msg nickserv register PASSWORD
[01:47] <Lupin__III> now ^x
[01:47] <_justin> wait
[01:47] <_justin> how do i do that
[01:47] <jrjx> Justin: You want WINE, then?  Windows Emulator?
[01:47] <_justin> ?
[01:48] <_justin> i want to play counter-strike on kubuntu...
[01:48] <_justin> lol
[01:48] <_justin> so ^O (writeout) is save?
[01:48] <Lupin__III> yep
[01:48] <Pupeno> katapult is nice.
[01:49] <_justin> so i hold shift, push number 6, and then hit O?
[01:49] <jrjx> Justin: I don't know anything about Counter Strike per se, but "wine" is, like, the canonical MS Windows emulator software package for Unix/Linux.
[01:49] <_justin> yeah thats what i want
[01:49] <_justin> so i can emulate windows, so i can install windows software
[01:49] <Lupin__III> _justin: control + o
[01:49] <frank23> _justin: are you talking about counter-strike source?
[01:49] <jrjx> No, the ^ should mean the Control key (CTRL)
[01:49] <_justin> yes
[01:49] <_justin> k
[01:49] <jrjx> Justin: Well, check out, IIRC, www.winehq.org
[01:50] <_justin> wrote 27 lines
[01:50] <Pixels-> wow, adept is kinda cool
[01:50] <jrjx> There's also some commercial variants of WINE which may give you more success with Counter Strike.
[01:50] <frank23> _justin: I'm not sure if wine can run steam, but cedega is supposed to be able to do it
[01:50] <_justin> is cedega easier to install?
[01:50] <Pixels-> you can get cvscedega
[01:50] <Pixels-> its easy to install
[01:50] <Pixels-> just doesnt work all the best
[01:51] <Pixels-> best bet is to buy cedega
[01:51] <Lupin__III> _justin: now type: apt-get update
[01:51] <_justin> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[01:52] <_justin> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[01:52] <Lupin__III> sudo apt-get update
[01:52] <frank23> _justin: close adept
[01:52] <_justin> it's not open
[01:52] <apokryphos> needs sudo powers
[01:52] <_justin> oh yea
[01:53] <Lupin__III> done?
[01:53] <_justin> sudo nano apt-get update
[01:54] <_justin> type that?
[01:54] <Lupin__III> no
[01:54] <_justin> just apt
[01:54] <Lupin__III> sudo apt-get update
[01:54] <_justin> scrolling percenteges and stuff
[01:54] <Lupin__III> ok
[01:54] <_justin> its dling some updates
[01:54] <jrjx> You wouldn't do sudo nano apt-get, would you?  Nano is, like, a teensy text editor, I thought.
[01:54] <_justin> done
[01:55] <Lupin__III> now
[01:55] <Lupin__III> type
[01:55] <apokryphos> jrjx: yes
[01:55] <Lupin__III> sudo apt-get install wine
[01:55] <_justin> Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another pack
[01:55] <_justin> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[01:56] <jrjx> Apo: Right, so sudo {editor} {packagemanager} makes no sense then.  Kerrect?
[01:56] <apokryphos> !wine
[01:56] <apokryphos> jrjx: yes
[01:56] <apokryphos> !+wine
[01:56] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer used by linux to let it run [some]  windows programs. To install a recent version, go through the tutorial at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29996 ; for more info and apps that work with it, see http://www.winehq.org, or for support go to #winehq
[01:56] <jrjx> Thought so.
[01:56] <Lupin__III> apokryphos: i surrender
[01:57] <_justin> k i went to that link from obotu
[01:57] <_justin> and put in the first code its doing stuff
[01:57] <_justin> next im going to put in open gl code because i do want open gl support
[01:57] <apokryphos> I hardly think wine is a proper solution to gaming on linux, but some people use it
[01:58] <_justin> well with the wine emalator maybe i can more knowledbly install cedgal or something
[01:58] <Lupin__III> good night all
[01:59] <Lupin__III> i go to bed
[01:59] <DaSkreech> Hold up
[01:59] <DaSkreech> You can get cedega free?
[02:01] <Kaiser_Sleeps> DaSkreech: if you compile from source
[02:01] <jrj> Okay, gotta fix that key mapping...
[02:01] <DaSkreech> Kaiser_Away: Whats the issues with that?
[02:02] <Kaiser_Away> DaSkreech: your compiling stuff, and iirc its not easy to compile cedega
[02:02] <DaSkreech> Ah
[02:02] <DaSkreech> but it's roughly just as effective as paid for cedega?
[02:03] <Kaiser_Away> DaSkreech: in theory its the exact same thing. *in theory*
[02:03] <DaSkreech> Cool
[02:03] <DaSkreech> Too bad I'm really into open source games now
[02:03] <DaSkreech> Only thing I would look back for is War3
[02:03] <DaSkreech> And UT works on linux
[02:04] <DaSkreech> Yay! Forward thinking developers :)
[02:04] <Kaiser_Away> :)
[02:04] <Kaiser_Away> yay for id software as well
[02:05] <DaSkreech> Didn't I just say that?
[02:05] <DaSkreech> It's so sad that it's relativley easy to get games to work on Linux
[02:05] <Kaiser_Away> im being a bit more general about it ;)
[02:10] <_jeremy> Hello.  Im new to Linux and i was wondering if somebody can tell me how i install programs in kubuntu such as firefox and skype?
[02:11] <Kaiser_Away> _jeremy: you will want 2 different methods for those 2
[02:11] <_jeremy> ok
[02:11] <Kaiser_Away> firefox can be installed using apt- or adept. skype will require you to download it, then install it by hand
[02:11] <_jeremy> ok, ive downloaded skype and firefox to my desktop
[02:12] <wezlo> has anyone in here gotten dri to work with a unichrome chipset?
[02:12] <Kaiser_Away> did you get the deb of skype
[02:12] <_jeremy> yes
[02:12] <Kaiser_Away> and you dont need to download the firefox file. adept and apt- do it for you
[02:13] <Kaiser_Away> _jeremy: so go Konsole -> type "sudo dpkg -i ~/Desktop/skype*deb"
[02:13] <_jeremy> i just installed the cd version of kubuntu, so i dont have anything really installed on it yet.  If what i say doesnt sound right, forgive me, ive been a windows user for many many years
[02:13] <_jeremy> ah, ok, i will delete the firefox file then
[02:13] <Kaiser_Away> _jeremy: thats ok. you were proactive, and thats good ;)
[02:14] <_jeremy> :D
[02:14] <_jeremy> im not completely new to linux, but the only distro ive had much experience with before is slackware
[02:15] <Kaiser_Away> have you tried installing skype? it should give a password promp - enter your password
[02:15] <_jeremy> ive been setting up slackware systems at a local school, but that never included installing anything other than the distro itself, mainly just trying to get accounts and preferences set up
[02:15] <Kaiser_Away> mm. never got into slack. it didnt 'just work' in any shape and form, so i put  it off for later ;)
[02:15] <_jeremy> there was a problem with the one that i origionally got, so im downloading it again, 80% done
[02:17] <Kaiser_Away> skype? what sort of problem?
[02:18] <Riddell> _jeremy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Skype
[02:18] <_jeremy> something like untility ar is not in your PATH or something to that affect
[02:19] <jrj> I've been using aptitude myself.  When I upgrade to 5.10, I might try adept if I remember to.
[02:19] <Kaiser_Away> _jeremy: sure you got the deb? or did you get a rar ?
[02:19] <wezlo> jrj, I haven't really been impressed with adept - the ui is VERY busy
[02:19] <jrj> "ar" is a separate Unix program, a utility-type program.
[02:20] <jrj> I tried kynaptic at first, but I decided I didn't like it.
[02:20] <_jeremy> i got the deb
[02:21] <_jeremy> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[02:21] <_jeremy> ok, its not working, its telling me this when i try to dpkg it:  
[02:21] <wezlo> jrj, I just end up using the cli or synaptic
[02:21] <_jeremy> ^^^
[02:21] <wezlo> _jeremy, do you have a package manager open?
[02:21] <jrj> I haven't tried synaptic, in part because I assume I have to have a semi-full Gnome installation and I don't.
[02:21] <_jeremy> yes
[02:21] <wezlo> close it
[02:21] <wezlo> and then run dpkg
[02:22] <_jeremy> ok, now i have a bunch of stuff that appears to be a problem, is there a place to paste it so i dont flood the room?
[02:23] <_jeremy> ive learned my lesson from accidentally flooding irc rooms and getting banned
[02:23] <wezlo> _jeremy, are you getting package errors?
[02:23] <jrj> Yes, you can page to ---
[02:23] <jrj> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/
[02:24] <DaSkreech> wezlo: Adept is harsh but not nearly as terrible as kynaptic
[02:24] <_jeremy> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/396979
[02:24] <_jeremy> thats what its giving me
[02:24] <jrj> Okay...  When I update my local dpkg available packages database with aptitude, and I get a warning about a Invalid Signature for a Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key, is this something I need to worry about or just do another update?
[02:25] <wezlo> ok
[02:25] <wezlo> _jeremy you have to install 2 packages
[02:26] <jrj> Yeah, you have to install those two packages that aren't installed before you can install skype.
[02:26] <jrj> However, those two packages might depend on still other packages that are not installed.
[02:26] <wezlo> _jeremy apt-get them
[02:26] <jrj> The solution: Use a package manager to install the two listed packages, to get all dependencies.
[02:27] <wezlo> _jeremy, try apt-get install libstdc++5
[02:27] <Riddell> 01:18 < Riddell> _jeremy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Skype
[02:27] <_jeremy> im reading that now riddell
[02:27] <wezlo> no one's got via and dri set up?
[02:29] <_jeremy> hmm, that didnt work, more problems with trying that wezlo, will post problems
[02:29] <_justin> i have downloaded all of the wine files and im trying to compile them with ./tools/wineinstall  i get this error configure: error: C compiler  cannot create executables 
[02:29] <_jeremy> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/396987
[02:30] <DaSkreech> Anyway I'm Off
[02:30] <DaSkreech> Bye all
[02:31] <wezlo> _jermey
[02:31] <wezlo> same command
[02:31] <_jeremy> hmm, the file editor im used to isnt on here...  the only text editor on linux ive ever used is joe
[02:31] <wezlo> add "sudo" at the front
[02:31] <wezlo> my bad
[02:31] <jrj> Jeremy: That second paste is complaining about not being able to open a lock file.  Is that your error, or is it spurious?
[02:31] <_jeremy> ah, ok, thanks
[02:31] <`Nomad> !dvd
[02:31] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu, some dvd's require libdvdcss2, which can be found in !hoary-extras
[02:31] <wezlo> ubotu, is extras up now?
[02:31] <ubotu> wezlo: I don't know, could you explain it?
[02:32] <wezlo> ubotu, explain what? dri and via?
[02:32] <`Nomad> I'm using 5.10, is there anything special to be done in order to play DVDs?  I already installed libdvdcss2
[02:32] <_jeremy> that seemed to have worked
[02:32] <wezlo> ok
[02:33] <`Nomad> !libdvdcss
[02:33] <ubotu> `Nomad: Do they come in packets of five?
[02:33] <wezlo> you'r other package was libqt3-mt
[02:34] <wezlo> _jeremy, sudo apt-get install libqt3-mt
[02:34] <_jeremy> sweet, skype works
[02:34] <_justin> compiler  cannot create executables (what does this mean and is there a fix for it)??
[02:35] <jrj> Justin: That's an interesting error.  Can you pastebin it?
[02:36] <_justin> can you explain how?
[02:36] <_justin> im a beginner (linux) sorry
[02:36] <chavo> _justin, try installing g++
[02:36] <jrj> If you're doing something like using make, you should be able to capture console messages with something like "make >> my.logfile"
[02:37] <_jeremy> im scrolling through Adept, are there any files that i need or that you recommend i get?
[02:37] <_justin> jrj can i just email you the error?
[02:39] <_jeremy> im off to go get a pizza, i will be back in a while
[02:39] <_jeremy> thanks for the help
[02:39] <wezlo> _jeremy, enjoy the pizza
[02:40] <jrj> I'd rather not deal with e-mail iffn I can avoid it.  Easier to lookit it on a web page.
[02:41] <_justin> see config.log for more details?
[02:41] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[02:41] <da_bon_bon> why doesnt atk qt engine work for apps started as root ?
[02:41] <da_bon_bon> like synaptic ?
[02:42] <chavo> da_bon_bon, you have to configure it as root
[02:42] <da_bon_bon> chavo: how ?
[02:42] <da_bon_bon> kdesu kcontrol ?
[02:42] <_justin> WHile trying to install wine i get this error ---> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[02:42] <chavo> run the configuration as root or copy .gtkrc-2.0 from your ~ to /root
[02:43] <da_bon_bon> thanks, chakie 
[02:43] <da_bon_bon> chavo: :)
[02:43] <da_bon_bon> better synaptic
[02:43] <chavo> no problem
[02:43] <jrj> Justin: Ah, that might be complaining that you do not have a C compiler installed.
[02:43] <jrj> Open a console terminal window and try doing "man gcc" -- see if you get a man page.
[02:44] <_justin> k
[02:44] <jrj> (Tho, if you had no C compiler, I'd think you'd get a error message that said that, so...)
[02:44] <chavo> _justin, did you install build-essential?
[02:44] <_justin> no
[02:44] <_justin> No manual entry for gcc
[02:45] <chavo> well try that, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:45] <jrj> Another reason might be if you're trying to run your makefile in a directory that you do not have read/write permission in, perhaps one not owned by you.
[02:45] <_justin> done
[02:45] <jrj> Justin must have a fast broadband network connection, and/or software on CD.  :-)
[02:45] <_justin> i only have one account installed its my own computer
[02:45] <_justin> 3 mbps/downlad
[02:45] <_justin> :)
[02:46] <jrj> Justin: Remember, you were doing some things using sudo, which uses root.
[02:46] <_justin> now what do i do 
[02:46] <_justin> yea
[02:46] <chavo> it should work now
[02:46] <jrj> Try the compile again.
[02:46] <chavo> you just installed the compiler and a few other tools
[02:46] <_justin> same error
[02:47] <jrj> Tho...  Justin, with WINE, are you installing a pre-packaged version, a .deb file, or a version from source, like .tar.gz or .tgz ???
[02:47] <_justin> god im not even sure
[02:47] <chavo> try installing g++ 
[02:47] <_justin> i followed a tutorial
[02:47] <_justin> Setting up gcc (3.3.5-1) ...
[02:47] <_justin> Setting up g++ (3.3.5-1) ...
[02:47] <jrj> Where's the tutorial?
[02:47] <_justin> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29996
[02:48] <jrj> Looking at it now.
[02:48] <_justin> i had perfect luck right until the ./tools/wineinstall command
[02:48] <_justin> after pasting that command i get the error
[02:49] <_justin> you guys are extremely helpful in here, suprised to even get a response, yet actual help :)
[02:50] <_justin> im learning alot to :-p
[02:50] <n0odl3> does anyone here know how to update with kubuntu?
[02:50] <jrj> Okay, lemme read this guide...
[02:51] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:51] <n0odl3> thats all
[02:51] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: yep
[02:51] <n0odl3> does update manager or the kubuntu update manager work at all?
[02:51] <jrj> Justin: Okay, did you do the "cvs checkout" command?
[02:51] <_justin> 1 sec
[02:51] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: in breezy?  yep, the adept update manager
[02:52] <_justin> i think so
[02:52] <_justin> should i re do it in case?
[02:52] <n0odl3> i keep getting this when i update using sudo apt-get update
[02:52] <n0odl3> W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[02:52] <n0odl3> W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[02:52] <n0odl3> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[02:53] <Hobbsee> !gpgerr
[02:53] <ubotu> If you get GPG errors when accessing the Ubuntu archives, sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* then wait 10 minutes and retry.
[02:53] <_justin> jrj should i re run the checkout code in terminal to make sure?
[02:53] <Hobbsee> is the solution on #ubuntu, so you probably want to try that...or use another mirror
[02:53] <jrj> Justin: I just was making sure.
[02:53] <_justin> then try to compile
[02:53] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: you should probably have used the pastebin too
[02:53] <n0odl3> pastebin?
[02:54] <n0odl3> how do you use that?
[02:54] <Hobbsee> !tell n0odl3 about pastebin
[02:54] <jrj> Justin: What this tutorial is showing you how to do is use the VERY LATEST SOURCE CODE for WINE, and compile it from scratch.
[02:54] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: or see topic
[02:54] <_justin> k
[02:54] <_justin> so how can i get wine running
[02:54] <_justin> it got me all the 40 MB worth of files onto my hdd
[02:54] <wezlo> cya later gang, I'll be back again
[02:54] <jrj> Justin: Now, this *can* be necessary for WINE, because it changes rapidly in response to bug fixes and improvements.
[02:54] <_justin> ok
[02:54] <jrj> Justin: You *might* want to try a pre-built package for WINE, if any such exist.  Lemme check.
[02:54] <n0odl3> is it possible to uninstall kubuntu without affecting gnome?
[02:55] <_justin> so what do you recommend i do about getting wine working :)
[02:55] <n0odl3> is it possible?
[02:56] <n0odl3> or do i have to install all over again?
[02:56] <_jeremy> so much for that idea, the pizza place is closed.  oh well
[02:56] <_justin> lol
[02:56] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: yes, it's possible
[02:56] <_justin> sorry
[02:56] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: remove kdelibs
[02:56] <Hobbsee> that will take the rest
[02:56] <jrj> Justin: Okay...  There's a pre-compiled version that's ... about 7 mos old.
[02:56] <n0odl3> thats the command?
[02:56] <jrj> Justin: Depending on what you want this may or may not work for you.
[02:56] <_jeremy> So after a new install, what are needed or recommended packages that i should get from Adept?
[02:56] <_justin> ok can you link me?
[02:57] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: sudo apt-get remove kdelibs - but you'll have to log into gnome before you do that
[02:57] <n0odl3> ok
[02:57] <n0odl3> i see
[02:57] <n0odl3> thank you
[02:57] <jrj> Justin: Are you used to using any package manager, like "aptitude" or "adept" or whatever?
[02:57] <_justin> no all terminal
[02:57] <jrj> Okay, you can use aptitude in a terminal.
[02:57] <_justin> o wait
[02:58] <jrj> Open up a fresh terminal.  In it, do "sudo -s" to change to root.  Then do "aptitude".
[02:58] <_justin> kynaptic is on here
[02:58] <_justin> k it's up jrj
[02:58] <jrj> I actually like aptitude better -- use that.
[02:59] <_justin> k
[02:59] <_justin> i got like 5 options new packages, installed packages etc..
[02:59] <_justin> 6*
[02:59] <jrj> Okay.  Now, in aptitude, do you see in the upper pseudo-window a bunch of lines that say Installed Packages, Not Installed Packages, etc?
[02:59] <jrj> Right.
[02:59] <n0odl3> what was the command again?
[02:59] <jrj> Now.
[02:59] <_justin> yes
[02:59] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: for getting rid of kde?
[02:59] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get remove kdelibs
[03:00] <jrj> Type just "l", you'll get a popup window that talks about a package tree limit.
[03:00] <_justin> yep
[03:00] <n0odl3> yes
[03:00] <n0odl3> ok
[03:00] <jrj> In the popup window, type "wine" and press Enter.
[03:00] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: that should get rid of it all, along wiht any kde apps you are using
[03:00] <_justin> done
[03:01] <jrj> That should give you two lines.  Make sure the {Not Installed" line is bolded, and press Enter.
[03:01] <_justin> it only has one "new packages"
[03:01] <jrj> You'll get a bunch of internal sub-lines.  Use the arrow keys to select "otherosfs" and press Enter again.
[03:01] <jrj> Okay, "New Packages" then.
[03:02] <jrj> You see otherosfs?
[03:02] <_justin> under new packages there is -----doc - documentation and specialized programs blah blah
[03:02] <_justin> under that is wine
[03:02] <jrj> Right.  Select "otherosfs" and press return, then "universe" and press return.
[03:02] <_justin> pink border..
[03:03] <_justin> description
[03:03] <_justin> priority
[03:03] <_justin> etc..
[03:03] <jrj> Type "q" to go back one window.  You should also be able to use your mouse to select the top menu lines white text on blue background.
[03:03] <n0odl3> its kdelibs?
[03:04] <_justin> k
[03:04] <n0odl3> klibs?
[03:04] <jrj> Okay...  Does the window you see now say something about Emulators ?
[03:04] <_justin> i do not see otherosfs anywhere though
[03:04] <n0odl3> hobsee
[03:04] <n0odl3> is it kdelibs?
[03:05] <_justin> a little
[03:05] <_justin> description: windows emulator (documentation)
[03:05] <jrj> Okay.  If you move your mouse cursor over top of Views and left click, do you get a drop down menu?
[03:05] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: spell my name properly, or otherwise it doesnt flash :P
[03:05] <n0odl3> sorry
[03:05] <_justin> yes
[03:05] <n0odl3> hobbsee
[03:06] <n0odl3> is it kdelibs?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> yeah, it's kdelibs
[03:06] <_justin> i do get a drop down under views
[03:06] <Hobbsee> had to go check
[03:06] <jrj> Okay.  Move the cursor over top of "Packages" and left click on that.
[03:06] <_justin> k
[03:06] <n0odl3> it tells me that kdelibs was not istalled
[03:06] <_justin> id wine-doc   is pink
[03:06] <jrj> Okay.  We're back to the list of packages.  Now.  Do you still see that line that talks about documentation?
[03:07] <_justin> yes
[03:07] <jrj> Maybe a line right above the line that says "wine-doc"?
[03:07] <_justin> yes
[03:07] <_justin> its like way above it though
[03:07] <jrj> Are there any other lines that seem to be at the same level or precedence as the one that says "documentation"?
[03:07] <n0odl3> hobbsee it seems it was "not installed" everytime i try to sudo apt-get remove kdelibs
[03:07] <Hobbsee> yet you have kde there at all?
[03:08] <_justin> i'm not sure
[03:08] <n0odl3> yeah
[03:08] <Hobbsee> check in synaptic, on the kde list of stuff
[03:08] <jrj> Okay.  Tell me the lines you see in the upper sub window, one by one.
[03:08] <_justin> it looks like wine-doc is the lowest level of the dir structor
[03:08] <_justin> \New packages
[03:08] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: there should be something called kdelibs, or something similar
[03:08] <jrj> Okay, what's immed above wine-doc.  Universe?
[03:08] <_justin> \doc - documentation and specialized ...
[03:08] <_justin> \universe - unsupported free software
[03:09] <_justin> id wine-doc                                  -3023kb
[03:09] <jrj> Okay...
[03:09] <pax> !ipod
[03:09] <ubotu> info for syncing your iPod is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPodHowto
[03:09] <jrj> On the same level as doc, are there any other lines at that precedence?
[03:09] <_justin> i own this 
[03:09] <_justin> o read a line way up there ignore that
[03:09] <n0odl3> kde-core?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: try that
[03:10] <Hobbsee> it'll remove a lot of stuff
[03:10] <_justin> what do you mean by that
[03:10] <Hobbsee> if it's the right one
[03:10] <jrj> Okay.  You've got, like, --\ New Programs ...
[03:10] <n0odl3> hmm
[03:10] <_justin> OOO
[03:10] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: basically, what you want to do, is remove the package that everything else with kde depends on, so all that will go away too
[03:10] <n0odl3> im just worried cause i cant get any updates
[03:11] <jrj> and then indented a little --\ doc ...
[03:11] <_justin> \packages which depend on wine
[03:11] <icewt> is there some special package for kde users that makes gnome apps look nicer?
[03:11] <jrj> and then indented a little more --\ universe.
[03:11] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: that's usually kdelibs, but could be kdecore
[03:11] <_justin> \versions
[03:11] <Hobbsee> icewt: yep, it's got gtk and qt in it, search for it in adept
[03:11] <Hobbsee> icewt: sudo apt-get install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[03:11] <Hobbsee> !gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[03:11] <ubotu> Hobbsee: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[03:12] <jrj> No, you're looking at the wrong window.  Use your mouse, left click on Views and then Packages.
[03:12] <_justin> ok there is nothing under wine-doc
[03:12] <_justin> after wine-doc it's blank space until it talks about windows emulator
[03:12] <icewt> Hobbsee: thanks
[03:12] <jrj> Right.  ABOVE wine-doc is --\ universe, and above THAT is --\ doc.  Correct?
[03:12] <Hobbsee> icewt: no problems :)
[03:12] <_justin> yes
[03:12] <_justin> that is correct
[03:13] <Hobbsee> icewt: you can control it all from kcontrol too, say if you want the gnome fonts bigger than the kde ones, which is sometimes useful
[03:13] <jrj> Okay.  Is there anything indented exactly as much as the line --\ doc ???
[03:13] <icewt> Hobbsee: oh, ok :)
[03:13] <n0odl3> dang the updates still wont work
[03:13] <_justin> no
[03:14] <jrj> Okay, hold on.
[03:14] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: i can tell you that the aussie mirrors are working fine here - you can use a different mirror with no problems
[03:15] <_justin> k
[03:16] <icewt> Hobbsee: hmm. i actually already seem to have that package
[03:16] <Hobbsee> icewt: then change the fonts, etc that it uses in kcontrol.  appearance tab, gtk apps
[03:16] <_justin> not sure if this matters, but i use 64 bit kubuntu maybe thats a problem?
[03:16] <jrj> Do you see something that looks like this:  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=397022
[03:16] <Hobbsee> icewt: that generally makes them look way nicer (and readable)
[03:17] <jrj> That shouldn't matter, as long as it's still Intel compatible, not an entirely different architecture.
[03:17] <_justin> yes exept it's nothing under wine-doc
[03:17] <_justin> all blank
[03:17] <jrj> Okay, let's try this.
[03:18] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> hi
[03:18] <kkathman> good evening all, sorry I've been away for a bit
[03:18] <icewt> Hobbsee: ah yes, true :)
[03:18] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> is there a way to say to hotplug, mount sdaX only if it is not IPOD?
[03:18] <kkathman> Howdy Hobbsee :)
[03:18] <jrj> Type "l" to get that popup window.  Delete everything in it and press Enter.
[03:18] <Hobbsee> hey kkathman!
[03:18] <Hobbsee> how you doing?
[03:18] <_justin> done
[03:18] <kkathman> Doing well Hobbsee  and you?
[03:18] <icewt> Hobbsee: the theme is not that nice though, but i guess i can download them somewhere
[03:18] <Hobbsee> kkathman: good, procrastinating as usual, next exam on thurs...
[03:19] <Hobbsee> icewt: which gtk apps look dodgy?
[03:19] <jrj> Okay.  Highlight "New Packages" and press Enter.  You should get a bunch of lines -- admin, base, comm, etc.
[03:19] <kkathman> Hobbsee: haha...well I understand that.  I have raised 3 kids and all of them seem to have that disease ....even me at times :)
[03:19] <jrj> Scroll down to look for a line that talks about otherosfs.
[03:19] <_justin> i deleted wine out of the "L" window
[03:19] <Hobbsee> icewt: you're telling it to use the KDE scheme, i take it?  you could try one of the others there.
[03:20] <Hobbsee> kkathman: these are my final exams...the ones i'm supposed to study for lol
[03:20] <kkathman> Hobbsee: Oh...hehe...well perhaps it would be a good idea :)
[03:20] <_justin> k
[03:20] <icewt> Hobbsee: i've actually just looked at gimp for now. the theme is ok, but it could be nicer ;)
[03:20] <_justin> otherosfs
[03:20] <Hobbsee> kkathman: yeah, maybe lol...
[03:20] <_justin> found it
[03:20] <Hobbsee> icewt: check for other themes, there probalby are some around
[03:20] <icewt> Hobbsee: seems to be only "Raleigh" style there
[03:21] <Hobbsee> icewt: yeah, same here
[03:21] <jrj> Okay, press enter on otherosfs.
[03:21] <_justin> k
[03:21] <_justin> i got universe
[03:21] <_justin> and
[03:21] <_justin> main
[03:21] <kkathman> Hobbsee: My oldest son just took the Law School Admissions Test and is anxiously awaiting the results while he finishes his last few college credits.
[03:21] <jrj> Press enter on universe.
[03:21] <_jeremy> what is the best bittorrent client on linux?
[03:21] <kkathman> Hobbsee: he was off to the library tonight to write a paper due tomorrow (last minute of course)
[03:21] <_justin> k
[03:21] <n0odl3> dang i think i have to reinstall linux and reupdate to breezy
[03:21] <Hobbsee> kkathman: ouch...and of course lol
[03:21] <n0odl3> kubuntu messed up my system
[03:21] <kkathman> n0odl3: why?
[03:21] <qatsi> hi all ! i need some help with some apps starting. For example Adept. When i go to de K menu, System, then Adept, it goes ok, but ive installed KXDocker, which is a    osX like menu bar. I just have to add the comand to open the app. So what i did, was just copy the command that opened the other Adept, but when i try the one in the KXDocker, it says that i have to log in as super user to install or update apps, meanwhile, i can ust se
[03:21] <jrj> Do you see a whole bunch of packages?
[03:22] <_justin> yea
[03:22] <jrj> Scroll down, look for a package named "wine".
[03:22] <n0odl3> kkathman for some reason my updates arent working
[03:22] <_justin> aranym, arson etc
[03:22] <n0odl3> im gonna try one more time
[03:22] <n0odl3> i have to wait though
[03:22] <_justin> wine is not there
[03:22] <jrj> Okay...  
[03:22] <kkathman> n0odl3: better to take stock on whats working first, then work forward from there
[03:23] <n0odl3> well my updater isnt working (for kubuntu)
[03:23] <n0odl3> and the update-manager for gnome gets gpg problems
[03:23] <Hobbsee> kkathman: there are plenty of people mentioning gpg problems
[03:23] <Hobbsee> !gpgerr
[03:23] <ubotu> If you get GPG errors when accessing the Ubuntu archives, sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* (Yes, you will get some 'is a directory' messages, that's fine) then wait 10 minutes and retry.
[03:23] <kkathman> n0odl3: I believe there are some updates for that, but im not sure
[03:24] <n0odl3> i see
[03:24] <kkathman> Hobbsee: yeah its mentioned in the topic, but Im not seeing the specifics on it
[03:24] <jrj> Edit the file "/etc/apt/sources.list" -- you may need to edit this from a console terminal using sudo, depending on what editor you use.
[03:24] <_jeremy> are there any good emulators or whatever for running newer windows games on linux?  
[03:24] <n0odl3> yeah cedega
[03:24] <jrj> I was getting gpg problems a bit ago, bad key.
[03:24] <qatsi> sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:24] <_justin> i already turned universe on by uncommenting everything that had a url
[03:24] <_justin> thats what a guy told me to do
[03:24] <_jeremy> cedega, never heard of it.  Is it free?
[03:24] <n0odl3> uhhh
[03:24] <Hobbsee> _jeremy: no
[03:24] <kkathman> jrj: do you know of the fixes?
[03:24] <n0odl3> not really
[03:25] <n0odl3> but it works good
[03:25] <n0odl3> im trying to find a driver emulator
[03:25] <Hobbsee> _justin: backports arent open yet, are they?
[03:25] <kkathman> I think they are working on fixes...it says they are pending
[03:25] <jrj> kkath: No, I just get error messages in aptitude occassionally.  I was worried someone was putting cracked / trojaned s/w in repositories.
[03:25] <kkathman> so we should be patient
[03:25] <n0odl3> anyone know a good one or a linux driver for Deleter XP pen?
[03:25] <_justin> what should i do to sources.list
[03:25] <_jeremy> how much does cedega cost?
[03:25] <kkathman> so far so good here, I havent gotten any gpg issues
[03:26] <n0odl3> well
[03:26] <n0odl3> for some reason the updater doesnt really update
[03:26] <n0odl3> it says fetching then it ends
[03:26] <Hobbsee> !cedega
[03:26] <ubotu> help for cedega is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega and for a list of working games see http://cedegawiki.sweetleafstudios.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
[03:26] <_jeremy> and with it, can you run windows games right when they come out, or do you have to wait for them to support it?
[03:26] <kkathman> _justin: try going to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpdateNotes
[03:26] <n0odl3> yeh you can do it
[03:26] <Hobbsee> !tell _jeremy about cedega
[03:26] <jrj> Do you have a line that says, like, deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary univers
[03:26] <jrj> universe
[03:26] <kkathman> oops got that wrong
[03:26] <_jeremy>  thanks, brb
[03:26] <kkathman> _justin: try going to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[03:26] <icewt-> ahh.. now GTK apps look better. for some reason i had to change from "Use my KDE style in GTK applications" to "Use another style: Raleigh" and back to "Use my KDE style in GTK applications" to get the proper look. now it appeared in the "User another style:" menu too, with name Qt. it wasn't there at first. strange, but it works now :)
[03:27] <_justin> wait sources.list didn't open command not found
[03:27] <_justin> i forgot how i ended up getting it open
[03:27] <_justin> whats some other commands to open sources.list
[03:27] <_justin> i just tried sudo /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:27] <Hobbsee> icewt-: excellent :D
[03:28] <kkathman> _justin: sudo gedit etc/apt/sources.list
[03:28] <_justin> sudo: gedit: command not found
[03:28] <kkathman> bbiab
[03:28] <_justin> i'm using terminal
[03:28] <icewt-> Hobbsee: :)
[03:28] <jrj> sudo kwrite /etc/apt...  or sudo kate /etc/apt...
[03:29] <n0odl3> still gpg problems
[03:29] <jrj> After that, look for a line that says, like, deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe  --- your file may say breezy universe at the end.
[03:29] <Hobbsee> _justin: substitute gedit with kwrite
[03:30] <_justin> it opened sources.list
[03:30] <mphilpot> Hey everyone - I need some help trying to compile the kernel with Breezy
[03:30] <_justin> but it gave an error while doing it
[03:30] <_justin> says its owned by uid 1000 instead of 0
[03:30] <jrj> Yeah, there may be a file locking error -- don't worry about it just yet.
[03:30] <mphilpot> It looks lik the kernel that came with Breezy is 2.6.12-9
[03:30] <_justin> k
[03:30] <qatsi> Hobbsee: hello my friend :p back again...now with a stupid question hehe......wheni do sudo kwrite /file i get this error: kwrite : cannot connect to X server......what shall i do ?
[03:30] <_justin> i got sources.list open in kwrite
[03:31] <_justin> i see deb stuff
[03:31] <mphilpot> but I don't see sources for that in apt-get... also I don't seem to be able to download build-essential which has dependencies on g++ 4.0 (it looks like)
[03:31] <jrj> Okay.  Look for a line that begins with deb, NOT deb-src, and ends with hoary universe or breezy universe.
[03:31] <Hobbsee> qatsi: hello...is the X server actually running at all?
[03:32] <_justin> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com.....hoary main restricted
[03:32] <_justin> ignore link
[03:32] <qatsi> Hobbsee: yep, im in KDE :p using Kopete
[03:32] <satafterh> hello all
[03:33] <_justin> Theres 10 lines that begin with deb and 5 of them begin with deb-src
[03:33] <jrj> Okay.  You're looking for a line roughly like that, that says HOARY UNIVERSE.
[03:33] <qatsi> satafterh: hi..
[03:33] <_justin> yea i see it
[03:33] <_justin> one begins with deb one src
[03:33] <jrj> It may have a # sign at the start.  You may have to scroll down below what is visible to you now.
[03:33] <Hobbsee> qatsi: that's odd...tried restarting X?
[03:34] <jrj> Okay.  The line that begins with deb, does it have a # in front?
[03:34] <_justin> i got rid of all the # signs beginning with deb 
[03:34] <_justin> the last guy told me to do that
[03:34] <Hobbsee> qatsi: and i'm assuming that /file is the correct path of the file you're wanting
[03:34] <jrj> You did that previously, or you just now did it?
[03:34] <_justin> previously
[03:34] <satafterh> have a question for someone, I installed kde 3.5 and would like to go baack to 3.4.3 as i am having a few crashes an hour, not system crashes program crashes, any way can i go back to 3.4.3
[03:34] <jrj> Okay...  Close the editor without making any changes.  Return to aptitude.
[03:34] <_justin> so basically every line is un commented
[03:34] <qatsi> sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:35] <_justin> whats command to return to aptitude?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> satafterh: there's a solution on ubuntuforums.org - search for kde 3.5 remove
[03:35] <satafterh> will do thanks
[03:35] <Hobbsee> qatsi: that looks right, tried restarting X?  ctrl alt backspace
[03:35] <jrj> aptitude was in a different terminal window, or if you closed it just get to a shell prompt and do sudo aptitude.
[03:35] <_justin> k there
[03:36] <jrj> Okay.  In aptitude ...
[03:36] <_justin> yes
[03:37] <jrj> In the top menu click on Actions, in the drop down click on Update package list.
[03:37] <skizzay> I need some help with on how Kubuntu scripts USB mass storage
[03:37] <_justin> done downloaded 17 kb in 6s
[03:37] <_justin> clicked ok it said loading cache and returned to aptitude screen
[03:38] <jrj> Okay.  Now, click on Actions and then Forget new packages.
[03:38] <_justin> done
[03:38] <douglas> I installed the kdegames package in breezy and I never got a games menu, I also installed knemo, but it doesn't show up in system settings, before I reinstalled with breezy both of these things worked?
[03:38] <qatsi> Hobbsee: uhmm, ok.....by the way, before i do that.....do you know of any bug that makes writing imposible ?.....instead of letters i have squares :S
[03:39] <Hobbsee> qatsi: nope, but i havent looked at the bug lists for a while, tried changing the font the program uses? 
[03:39] <jrj> Okay.  Now, do you see a line --- Not Installed ?  Select that.
[03:39] <_justin> k
[03:39] <skizzay> douglas:  Did you also install the kdeaddons package?
[03:39] <douglas> nope, should I?
[03:39] <qatsi> Hobbsee: i did that.....well, now i can use KDE, but the log in mannager still has that strange stuff :p i have to log in via console...
[03:40] <jrj> Under that, select otherosfs.  Then universe.
[03:40] <_justin> yea wines still not there
[03:40] <jrj> Then scroll way down and l...  Huh.
[03:40] <skizzay> I had a similar problem (but not games menu).  When I installed the addons package, it appeared.
[03:40] <_justin> similiar problem to me skizzay?
[03:41] <douglas> k
[03:41] <jrj> In a terminal window, do "uname -a" tell me what it says.
[03:41] <Hobbsee> qatsi: what have you done recently?  dist upgraded to breezy?
[03:41] <`Nomad> douglas: Do you have a Debian option in your menu?  That,s where things end up, you have to have that on in your menu. Look it up in the FAQ, it'll show you how to add it.
[03:41] <_justin> Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic #1 Tue Apr 5 12:21:57 UTC 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[03:41] <douglas> I know how, but I don't have a debian menu either.
[03:42] <jrj> Justin: Gimme a sec.
[03:42] <qatsi> Hobbsee: in Hoary it worked just fine....after that i installed Breeze with preview cd, now im upgraded and i cant do that since breeze preview....should i download Breeze install CD and reinstall to see if it was a previes bug ?
[03:42] <_justin> ok
[03:43] <Hobbsee> qatsi: it might not be a bad idea, although it should give no problems if you installed with a RC, depends how early the preview cd was
[03:44] <Hobbsee> qatsi: apparently they did a lot of work with X a little before the RC came out, and then a bit more afterwards
[03:44] <qatsi> Hobbsee: preview was....i think the first :S
[03:44] <Hobbsee> qatsi: probably wouldnt be a bad idea, assuming that was the one that was a few months ago
[03:44] <_justin> jrj can't you take over with desktop sharing and do this for me?
[03:45] <qatsi> Hobbsee: ok, i think ill do that...or maybe just installing hoary and then upgrading, that way i wont need to download the CD
[03:45] <douglas> I just tried installing kdeaddons, is the main mirror down?
[03:46] <mphilpot> Does anyone know how to successfully compile the kernel in Breezy??
[03:47] <mphilpot> The wiki doesn't seem to work and there is no linux-headers for 2.6.12-9
[03:47] <jrj> Okay...
[03:48] <_justin> :)
[03:48] <Hobbsee> qatsi: you can try that...the servers will be very, very slow though
[03:48] <_justin> want to see if we can do desktop shareing jrj?
[03:48] <jrj> It looks like UBUNTU does not have pre-compiled binaries for WINE for AMD64.  I don't know why it won't let you try to use the i386 ones instead.
[03:48] <jrj> Justin: No, because I only have dialup.
[03:49] <_justin> ouch
[03:49] <_justin> ok want to see if we can use the 1386 ones
[03:49] <_justin> i have them downloaded
[03:49] <_justin> to cvs\wine
[03:50] <jrj> Justin: You have some options -- you can try to install the Ubuntu "debian source" package, which would compile it for you.  Or you can try to download the Ubuntu binary i386 package, and see if that will run.\
[03:50] <jrj> You have other options.
[03:50] <_justin> which would be fastest way of getting me a windows emulator
[03:50] <_justin> :)
[03:50] <jrj> You can download from www.debian.org the AMD64 binary package and install that manually.  Ubuntu is derived from Debian so there's a good chance it will work.
[03:51] <jrj> You can also try compiling the source you got from winehq.org.
[03:51] <jrj> Or, finally, you can pay for and install the commercial version, or download the source for THAT and compile / install it.
[03:52] <_justin> is there a stable 64 bit windows yet?
[03:52] <jrj> The commercial version is that Cedega thing people mentioned -- the link to it is http://transgaming.com/
[03:53] <_justin> ty for all you're help jrj
[03:53] <_justin> you taught me a lot never the less
[03:53] <_justin> i probobly will buy it how much is it
[03:54] <jrj> I have no idea.  Lookit the link.
[03:54] <jrj> Check with them first, make sure they support AMD64 before you send them money.
[03:58] <_justin> cedgal is not a one time payment, it's a annual fee
[03:58] <_justin> that sucks..
[03:59] <jrj> How much is the fee, tho?
[03:59] <_justin> looks like to me..
[03:59] <_justin> http://transgaming.org/subscription/subscribe.html
[03:59] <_justin> 5$ a month or 55$ a month
[03:59] <_justin> i cant really tell
[03:59] <jrj> And, I suspect it's still under very active development, and they expect to have to give people lots of support, so...
[04:05] <_jeremy> for using firefox in linux, what kind of media player do i need to be able to see streaming videos that would normally be played in Windows Media Player?
[04:05] <jrj> Justin: You there?
[04:06] <Hobbsee> _jeremy: i think you can use mplayer...
[04:06] <qatsi> uhmmm, im having some trubble with skype repositorie :S when i try installing it, the error message is : there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break
[04:07] <_jeremy> when i try to watch the video, it says i need an unknown plugin in firefox, what do i do?
[04:07] <_justin> yes jrj
[04:07] <Hobbsee> qatsi: google search, i vaguely recall that skype package was broken
[04:08] <qatsi> Hobbsee: been doing that for a while, and it seems strange for skype to have a broken package
[04:09] <Hobbsee> !faq
[04:09] <ubotu> I heard faq is The Ubuntu FAQ Guide: select System -> Help (in Breezy), or http://doc.ubuntu.com/gnome/faqi386/C/
[04:09] <icewt> _jeremy: press ctrl+u, find the video url and write in terminal mplayer the_url_you_found
[04:09] <Hobbsee> i really need to bookmakr that link
[04:09] <qatsi> Hobbsee: the faq was for me ?
[04:10] <jrj> Justin: That software package from TransGaming is $5 / mo on a renewing basis, or $55 / yr on a one-time basis.  Supposedly, if you do the renewing one for 18+ mos there's extra bennies.
[04:11] <_justin> so it would be 55 for my first year and 5 for years following?
[04:11] <_jeremy> apparently i dont have mplayer installed, where do i get it?
[04:12] <icewt> _jeremy: sudo apt-get install mplayer - not sure in which repository it is
[04:12] <_justin> Jrj universe is not listed with main on "INSTALLED Packages"
[04:12] <_justin> do u think thats my problem?
[04:12] <jrj> No, no, no.  $55 for one year, no further bill ever (but I dunno if it stops working).
[04:13] <icewt> !info mplayer
[04:13] <icewt> !info mplayer-k6
[04:13] <ubotu> mplayer-k6: (The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 1:1.0-pre7cvs20050716-0.1ubuntu9 (breezy), Packaged size: 3683 kB, Installed size: 8072 kB
[04:13] <jrj> Or, else, $5 every month, $60 for one year, and if you subscribe longer than 18 mos they give you extra bennies or so they say.
[04:13] <zaphar_ps> has anyone got a fix for the usb automounting problem in breezy?
[04:14] <icewt> _jeremy: so, it's in multiverse
[04:14] <jrj> Justin: No, the problem is that the Ubuntu precompiled binary for WINE is only for i386, not for AMD64.
[04:14] <icewt> _jeremy: you should get also w32codecs
[04:14] <_justin> so i can't use wine?
[04:14] <icewt> !w32codecs
[04:14] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats deb to download: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[04:14] <_justin> i can't use wine with 64 bit pre compiled
[04:14] <_justin> how do i get i386
[04:15] <_jeremy> apparently mplayer isnt on the default repository
[04:15] <nalioth> Hobbsee: the dvds have a live and install image on them. it'd be nice if they had a dvd with k/x/ubuntu on them, tho
[04:15] <Hobbsee_> qatsi: sorry, got booted somehow
[04:16] <jrj> You would need an entirely different type of computer.
[04:16] <Hobbsee_> nalioth: ah, is that what it is...i thought it was that they had all the display managers on there, so you could choose
[04:16] <_jeremy> how do i figure out what repository mplayer is on and how to do change what repository im searching through to be able to get it?
[04:16] <jrj> Or, at least entirely change your operating system, everything, to use i386 binaries rather than AMD64 binaries.
[04:17] <qatsi> Hobbsee: no prb :p...i found that the skype package is in very bad conditions.......strange...but true....ive just downloaded the .deb file, to see if it works...
[04:17] <jrj> Or, you could TRY to use the i386 binaries ANYWAY, I honestly do not know if it would be a problem or not.
[04:17] <nalioth> Hobbsee_: nope, live and install
[04:17] <Hobbsee_> ah
[04:17] <Hobbsee_> nalioth: any chance you could kick Hobbsee?  it seems to have logged me in twice
[04:17] <Hobbsee_> i'd like my regular username back!
[04:17] <jrj> AMD64 is supposed to be a superset of i386, but I don't know if it makes a difference for this.
[04:17] <nalioth> ping Hobbsee
[04:18] <Hobbsee_> sending ping...it'll time out, i presume
[04:18] <Hobbsee_> ghost command?  no
[04:18] <qatsi> uhmm, Hobbsee and nalioth are always here :p
[04:18] <Hobbsee_> lol...not always
[04:18] <_justin> im completley lost with linux lol
[04:18] <Hobbsee_> nalioth is usually here though
[04:19] <nalioth> there is a difference
[04:19] <_justin> would i see a huge performance boost with using a 64 bit os?
[04:19] <_justin> i my as well stick with xp pro 32 bit..
[04:19] <Hobbsee_> nalioth: well, there's a notice there...
[04:19] <qatsi> _justing....ahh yep....i am too, and when you discover things....you get more stucked :p
[04:19] <_justin> better frame rates, or just more stable apps
[04:19] <_justin> i have learned a lot today
[04:20] <_justin> it's complicating just to install a program..
[04:20] <_justin> lol
[04:20] <jrj> justin: Well...  It's an entirely different operating system.  You *could* set things up to "dual boot" either XP or Linux, both installed simultaneously and one or the other running.
[04:21] <_justin> i do
[04:21] <qatsi> _justin: (i hope no ubuntu fan read this)...you should also try Gentoo.....if you do mannage to install it with tarball 3...then you will know the underware of the linux, and youll get more of what are you doing :)
[04:21] <_justin> well
[04:21] <jrj> Or set things up so that XP can run "on top of" Linux, or Linux "on top of" XP.
[04:21] <zaphar_ps> does anyone have a fix for the usb storage device errors?
[04:21] <_justin> my setup is this right now
[04:22] <jrj> Well, windows apps normally will be more stable running on windows, that's the native environment.
[04:22] <_justin> hard drive 1 windows xp pro hard drive 2 kubuntu mbr= kubuntu grub loads and gives me operating system selection
[04:23] <_justin> it gives me like 8 choices for kubuntu i select generic 64
[04:23] <_justin> or xp 
[04:23] <_justin> any one tried the release of windows xp 64 bit?
[04:23] <jrj> justin: So run your games directly under xp.  I would.
[04:23] <_justin> i do for now
[04:23] <_justin> but i want to migrate to 64 bit
[04:24] <_justin> entierly
[04:24] <jrj> I have not tried win64.
[04:25] <jrj> If you have legacy applications, or games, I would check carefully to make sure they will run under win64 before upgrading.
[04:25] <nalioth> Hobbsee: are you getting sorted?
[04:26] <Hobbsee_> nalioth: nope, tried restarting X, not sure why it didnt logout
[04:26] <_justin> wow ill stick with win32 and wine on kubuntu
[04:26] <_justin> i just read some bad reviews
[04:26] <Hobbsee_> trying this...
[04:27] <qatsi> ohh yeah, firs .deb install :p hahaha im still so noob at ubuntu :p
[04:27] <_justin> what irc server is this i want to perform it on windows
[04:27] <icewt> irc.freenode.net
[04:27] <Hobbsee_> _justin: irc.freenode.net
[04:27] <_justin> ty
[04:28] <Hobbsee_> :D
[04:28] <jrj> The server is irc.freenode.net .
[04:28] <Hobbsee> woohoo!
[04:28] <_justin> aright im gonna perform
[04:28] <qatsi> ahhhhh .deb file for skype is just plain fu$"$.....cant insall skype in linux :(
[04:28] <_justin> brb
[04:28] <_jeremy> how do i change repositories and how do i know what one to change to to get things like mplayer?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> !tell _jeremy about repositories
[04:30] <jrj> !tell jrj help
[04:30] <zaphar_ps> is there some kind of dependency problem with the kubuntu repositories? I keep getting dependency errors when I try do install packages
[04:30] <Hobbsee> zaphar_ps: paste error messages to pastebin
[04:30] <jrj> !tell jrj about help
[04:31] <qatsi> !tell qatsi about help
[04:31] <Hobbsee> !tell Hobbsee about help
[04:31] <qatsi> hahahah the !tell hour :p
[04:32] <qatsi> !tell qatsi about lobotomy
[04:32] <nalioth> !botabuse
[04:32] <icewt-> hm.. is it just me or is freenode unstable (or something)
[04:32] <ubotu> You can play with me on #debian-bots without being banned.
[04:32] <qatsi> ohhh, obotu gets mad :P
[04:33] <zaphar_ps> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/397087
[04:33] <zaphar_ps> that's one set
[04:33] <jrj> zaph: You might need to do dist-upgrade ?
[04:33] <zaphar_ps> this is a fresh install of breezy
[04:34] <zaphar_ps> I'm just trying to fix the usb automounting problem
[04:36] <qatsi> nalioth: why did you make !botabuse ?
[04:36] <zaphar_ps> jrj: just tried dist-upgrade: nothing to install
[04:36] <Hobbsee> qatsi: ever seen how busy #ubuntu is?  you dont want people starting to message the bots in there if they can do it privately
[04:37] <qatsi> Hobbsee: ohh, ok :)
[04:37] <Hobbsee> qatsi: same reason as we have the "no pasting" rule, and the pastebin
[04:37] <qatsi> Hobbsee: ok, i see :) sorry for bothering the bot :p
[04:38] <nalioth> qatsi: i did not
[04:38] <qatsi> well,thats for me today, ill go to sleep :p
[04:38] <nalioth> qatsi: there are many factoids i have nothing to do with
[04:38] <qatsi> see ya !
[04:39] <jrj> zaph: I was just thinking, since you were talking about rolling back...
[04:39] <zaphar_ps> I'd rather not
[04:40] <zaphar_ps> but I kind of need that usb auto mounting to work
[04:40] <jrj> zaph: Well, see, I'd assumed you'd initially upgraded from 5.04 to 5.10, not done a fresh install of 5.10.
[04:41] <zaphar_ps> I did a fresh install of 5.10 but kept my home directories from 5.04
[04:41] <zaphar_ps> I restored them from backups
[04:41] <zaphar_ps> would that make a difference?
[04:41] <zaphar_ps> cause I wiped the drive when I reinstalled
[04:42] <jrj> football.
[04:42] <zaphar_ps> football?
[04:42] <jrj> zaph: I would assume it didn't make a diff.
[04:42] <zaphar_ps> jrj I would assume the same thing :-)
[04:42] <jrj> I'm in USA.  Monday Night Football.
[04:42] <zaphar_ps> ahhh
[04:42] <zaphar_ps> hehe
[04:43] <zaphar_ps> i'm in USA too
[04:44] <zaphar_ps> are the gpg and HAL problems mentioned in the channel welcome message related?
[04:46] <zaphar_ps> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/397109
[04:46] <zaphar_ps> this seems to be the source of the dependency problems
[04:47] <zaphar_ps> a misspelling in the vim version number?
[04:49] <richard> im trying to install sharpmusique
[04:49] <icewt> or then apt doesn't understand that ubuntu3 is newer than ubuntu2 (?)
[04:50] <_david> Can anyone help with me a question regarding services on Kubuntu?
[04:50] <richard> i need to know where i can find the repositories that contain sharpmusique and the dependencies that it needs 
[04:50] <richard> can someone answer that for me
[04:51] <zaphar_ps> icewt: perhaps
[04:51] <_david> I turned off systemlogs, does anyone know the console command to turn it back on?
[04:51] <zaphar_ps> icewt: any suggestions on how to fix it?
[04:52] <icewt> zaphar_ps: you can force apt to install it even if it thinks there's something wrong
[04:54] <alejandro> hola que tal
[04:55] <alejandro> acabo de cambiar del 5.04 al 5.10, pero tengo problemas con memorias USB... no puedo montarlas y tampoco puedo reproducir mp3 en el amarok
[04:55] <alejandro> me pueden ayudar?
[04:55] <icewt> zaphar_ps: not sure what the command is with apt, but you could download the package manually and install with dpkg this way: "sudo dpkg --force-depends -i *.deb" - it will cause apt to complain every time you try to update/install anything, so it's not that good option :/
[04:56] <_jeremy> what is the location of the file that holds the addresses for the repositories?
[04:56] <_jeremy> i know its in /etc/ , but i dont know where to go after that
[04:56] <icewt> _jeremy: /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:57] <_jeremy> ok, thanks
[04:57] <_jeremy> whats the best konsole text editor for kubuntu?  Im used to using joe in slackware and kubuntu doesnt have joe
[04:57] <icewt> _jeremy: nano -wz
[04:58] <zaphar_ps> icewt: I'd rather not do that I've been through the messed up dependency thing before
[04:58] <nalioth> _jeremy: you can install joe
[04:58] <_jeremy> really?
[04:59] <nalioth> _jeremy: enable universe and multiverse and there are many toys you can use
[04:59] <icewt> zaphar_ps: yeah, it sucks
[04:59] <nalioth> _jeremy: enable those repos and use adept to search for what you are used to
[04:59] <alejandro> please help. I can't mount USB memories, and I can't listen mp3 on amarok. It was very easy in 5.04 but now in 5.10 I can't
[04:59] <_jeremy> ok, im in the sources.list, how do i enable those?
[05:00] <zaphar_ps> another weird thing is that when I put a 
[05:00] <zaphar_ps> cd into the drive it spawns like 5 seperate windows
[05:01] <richard> ok, how do you fix the authorization keys for repositories
[05:01] <zaphar_ps> Im  getting the feeling that breezy wasn't quite ready for everyday use yet
[05:02] <richard> its says the my key:  BADSIG 40976EAF437DO5B5 is invalid
[05:02] <alejandro> help i can't moun USB memories 
[05:02] <richard> how do i fix this
[05:02] <alejandro> i can't listen mp3 on amarok... why?
[05:02] <kkathman> ok back...greets all :)
[05:02] <zaphar_ps> lol looks like I'm not the only one having usb trouble
[05:02] <richard> or signature that is
[05:02] <kkathman> Hey nalioth :)
[05:02] <richard> my signature is invalid
[05:02] <nalioth> kkathman: howdy
[05:03] <richard> how do i fix this problem, i cant use my repositories 
[05:03] <kkathman> nalioth: how are you this evening/day (whichever)  ;)
[05:03] <nalioth> richard: you CAN use your repos
[05:03] <nalioth> ubotu: tell richard about gpgerr
[05:03] <nalioth> kkathman: fine and you?
[05:03] <richard> not my universe or multiverse
[05:03] <kkathman> authorization keys for the repositories??
[05:03] <kkathman> nalioth: Im well thanks...we have been getting a few questions today on the GPGs
[05:04] <foodcoman> Evening!
[05:04] <kkathman> hello foodcoman :)
[05:04] <icewt> alejandro: install libgstreamer-plugins0.8-0 and you can play mp3s
[05:04] <nalioth> ubotu: tell kkathman about gpgerr
[05:04] <foodcoman> Heya kkath!   ;-)
[05:04] <kkathman> haha nalioth  :)
[05:05] <foodcoman> hey does ubotu have the w32codec site?
[05:05] <icewt> yes
[05:05] <alejandro> icewt: i think i have it, but i'll check
[05:05] <kkathman> thanks for the tidbit tho nalioth  :)
[05:05] <richard> ! w32codecs
[05:05] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats deb to download: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[05:05] <foodcoman> Gracias!
[05:06] <richard> hey, i do know some things about kubuntu.  i just havent used it in awhile, and i forgot some things
[05:06] <richard> ! sharpmusique
[05:06] <ubotu> richard: I don't know
[05:06] <richard> umm
[05:06] <richard> im trying to find sharpmusique on here
[05:06] <kkathman> nalioth: is the ubot tell thing just for ops or can any of us help others with that?
[05:07] <richard> the second on dude
[05:07] <richard> the second one, dude
[05:07] <richard> you can use it
[05:07] <richard> ! kubuntu
[05:07] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE, not a fork ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[05:07] <kkathman> kewl that will be nice :)
[05:07] <nalioth> ubotu: tell kkathman about yourself
[05:08] <kkathman> Ive just referring people to the wiki and the topic
[05:08] <kkathman> thanx nalioth  :)
[05:08] <zaphar_ps> ! gpgerr
[05:08] <ubotu> If you get GPG errors when accessing the Ubuntu archives, sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* (Yes, you will get some 'is a directory' messages, that's fine) then wait 10 minutes and retry.
[05:08] <kkathman> I'll do my best to help
[05:08] <richard> the wiki is pretty good, but ubotu is really good too, if you know what to put after the !
[05:09] <zaphar_ps> ! HAL
[05:09] <kkathman> richard: Yah I kinda figured that was the key :)
[05:09] <ubotu> HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) is a library and daemon to get hotplug notifications as hardware is added and removed.
[05:09] <masterloki> Hi there can some tell me how to get the lateral bar on Konqueror??
[05:09] <zaphar_ps> nifty
[05:09] <kkathman> masterloki: you mean to split left/right?
[05:09] <masterloki> kkathman: yes
[05:09] <nalioth> !botabuse
[05:09] <ubotu> You can play with me on #debian-bots without being banned.
[05:10] <kkathman> masterloki: you have to go to the toolbars, and configure the toolbar...the split left/right is there
[05:11] <kkathman> masterloki: Settings -> Configure Toolbars
[05:11] <kkathman> masterloki: then simply move the split from the left pane to the right, and enable the toolbar
[05:14] <kkathman> evening hussam :)
[05:14] <hussam> kkathman: hey buddy :)
[05:15] <_david> Does anyone know how to turn on the syslog via Konsole? I turned mine off in the service manager and now my fresh install is acting funky
[05:15] <_david> First and foremost, I can't load my services anymore into the service manager
[05:15] <kkathman> hussam: I apologize for the apt-get thing the other night...I should have been more clear, that in that apt-get wont resolve things when they are packaged wrong. Sorrry for not being clear on that :)
[05:20] <_david> Anyone here know how to turn on the syslog via console?
[05:21] <kkathman> _david: did you try the wiki by chance?
[05:22] <hussam> kkathman: don't worry about it. 
[05:22] <hussam> kkathman: I do find apt-get very effective
[05:23] <_jeremy> how am i supposed to do anything in root if kubuntu wont allow me to log in as root from bootup?
[05:23] <frank23> _jeremy: you use sudo
[05:23] <frank23> !tell _jeremy about sudo
[05:24] <jsgotangco> hey all do we have issues on automounting usb sticks?
[05:24] <kkathman> hussam: I dont use anything else actually so I agree with you :)
[05:25] <Jacko> anyone know why I don't have xorgconfig on my newly installed kubuntu system? using a Ati raedon ... chip in a laptop
[05:25] <_david> kkathman what is "the wiki" ?
[05:25] <kkathman> frank23: do you know how to start the syslog from the konsole?? Is it like script syslog or something like that I forget
[05:25] <frank23> kkathman: I have no idea
[05:25] <kkathman> _david: http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[05:25] <thoreauputic> Jacko: use        sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:26] <_jeremy> i know about sudo, but what if i want to be logged in as root, is there no way to do that?
[05:26] <thoreauputic> _jeremy:  type sudo -i  for a root shell
[05:26] <frank23> _jeremy: yes if you set a password for root.
[05:26] <_jeremy> ah, ok, thanks, -i is what i needed
[05:27] <Jacko> thoreauputic: cheers
[05:27] <thoreauputic> Jacko: :)
[05:28] <richard> ok, i was wrong
[05:28] <jsgotangco> judax: ping?
[05:28] <richard> the way you fix the repo problem is to remove your universe and multiverse repos
[05:29] <richard> and then to put them back in
[05:29] <richard> that will give you a new signature
[05:29] <kkathman> ok this is getting me...Im searchin all over the place and cant find how to start syslog from the konsole :)
[05:30] <_david> I might have found something similiar...
[05:30] <richard> then if you want the backports, find them on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto?highlight=%28repositories%29
[05:30] <richard> this will definintely fix your repo proble
[05:30] <richard> problem
[05:30] <richard> mine are working fine now
[05:30] <icewt> kkathman: maybe "sudo syslogd &" or something
[05:31] <_david> Hmm, why can I never get "sudo apt-get" to work
[05:31] <kkathman> _david: works for me....what kind of error do you get?
[05:31] <richard> _david: do you put your password in after you type sudo apt-get
[05:32] <_david> Yes, I do
[05:32] <richard> ok
[05:32] <richard> try this
[05:32] <_david> E: Couldn't find package bum
[05:32] <jmg> hey guys
[05:32] <jmg> hey guys
[05:32] <richard> so you put sudo apt-get install bum
[05:32] <richard> is that what you put down 
[05:33] <richard> _david
[05:33] <_david> Yes
[05:33] <richard> ! bum
[05:33] <ubotu> bum is probably a graphical BootUp Manager; see http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html
[05:33] <thoreauputic> !info bum breezy
[05:33] <ubotu> bum: (tool to manage bootup scripts), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1.3.2-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 348 kB
[05:33] <thoreauputic> in breezy, bum is in universe
[05:33] <kkathman> _david: do you get an error?
[05:33] <jmg> i am seeing that the latest kubuntu iso doesnt link /usr/lib/X11
[05:34] <richard> what do you exactly use bum for 
[05:34] <_jeremy> im not real sure what im doing here considering ive never done this kind of thing before.  Im in sources.list, what do i do to add the repositories for universe and multiverse?
[05:34] <_david> Hold on, let me start from the begining...
[05:34] <richard> to boot from windows to ubuntu
[05:34] <jmg> in ld.so
[05:34] <jmg> and doesnt obey ld.so.conf
[05:34] <thoreauputic> !tell _jeremy about repos
[05:34] <kkathman> _jeremy: take a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[05:35] <_david> I turned off systemlog in the "system services" because I thought I could save some HDD reads.  Now I can't seem to load the "system services" list any more, my package manager is acting cooky and a coupld of other things are being bizzare
[05:35] <kkathman> _david: To start syslog from the konsole:  sudo invoke-rc.d sysklogd start
[05:36] <_jeremy> i dont have synaptic, so that doesnt help much
[05:36] <jmg> invoke-rc.d havent seen that before
[05:36] <_david> [fail]  :-(
[05:36] <kkathman> _jeremy: read further on that page I sent you
[05:36] <_jeremy> forgive me for my ignorance, im a windows user trying to convert
[05:37] <kkathman> _jeremy: then sudo gedit etc/apt/sources.list and make yours look like that on that page
[05:37] <orugo> hey
[05:37] <laszlok> Is there anyway to do a FULL upgrade from hoary to breezy?
[05:37] <kkathman> laszlok: sure
[05:37] <richard> ok, is there anything new on breezy, as in new packages, that will make me want to upgrade
[05:37] <richard> someone tell me this
[05:38] <orugo> whats the best gmail notifier?
[05:38] <richard> the one on firefox
[05:38] <_david> I'm going to restart my session and then try to start the log again
[05:38] <_david> brb
[05:38] <kkathman> laszlok: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[05:38] <richard> im on that site
[05:38] <orugo> richard: i have to have firefox opened?
[05:38] <richard> yeah
[05:38] <orugo> oh
[05:38] <orugo> but i want an applet or somethign
[05:38] <richard> there isnt any gmail notifiers for linux yet
[05:39] <richard> that is a .exe fie
[05:39] <richard> file
[05:39] <orugo> i have one
[05:39] <orugo> kcheck mail
[05:39] <richard> ok
[05:39] <orugo> but it doesnt works .. dont know why
[05:39] <richard> well google that and find out how then
[05:39] <icewt> laszlok: i'd do a clean install even there is a way to upgrade. less problems that way
[05:39] <richard> my gmail notifier on firefox works great
[05:39] <orugo> well
[05:39] <orugo> ill try it
[05:39] <orugo> tks!
[05:39] <kkathman> icewt: dont say that
[05:40] <kkathman> icewt: I upgraded with absolutely no problems!
[05:40] <richard> yw
[05:40] <kkathman> just follow those instructions on that wiki page BY THE LETTER and you wont have a prob
[05:40] <icewt> kkathman: some things just won't be the way they would if a clean install was made
[05:40] <laszlok> cause apt-get dist-upgrade did most things but not stuff like adept and guidance
[05:41] <richard> are there any new programs on breezy i need to know about
[05:41] <richard> and i have looked at the breezy update site
[05:41] <kkathman> icewt: but tweaking the little things is much easier than a full install and having to restore apps etc.
[05:41] <icewt> kkathman: they may be more of annoyances than problems, but anyway
[05:41] <richard> have you tried to go on synaptics and fix broken packages
[05:41] <richard> icewt
[05:41] <kkathman> icewt: I absolutely couldnt reinstall...that kind of defeats the purpose of the upgrade :)
[05:42] <richard> sometimes that will install what you need to get things to work
[05:42] <richard> sometimes it wont
[05:42] <richard> but its better than starting over
[05:43] <kkathman> richard:  I think alot of people didnt make sure they had the ubuntu-core stuff or the kubuntu core stuff either before they upgraded
[05:43] <richard> you dont learn anything by doing that, now do we?
[05:43] <icewt> kkathman: well, i've broken my debian too many times with dist-upgrade, so i wanted to make sure there won't be problems with ubuntu :)
[05:43] <richard> ok
[05:43] <richard> and?
[05:43] <kkathman> icewt: If you dont have much installed in hoary, and no apps or data, then ok do the clean breezy install and then do an apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:44] <richard> ive upgrade to breezy once, when it was still in beta
[05:44] <richard> it was ok
[05:44] <Jacko> I'm trying to run a configure script and it keeps on coming up with the error "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!" I have installed the include files (I think, but I can't remember what they were) but it still doesn't work. Help! I'm trying to instal knetdockapp
[05:44] <richard> but where can i go to see a list of new programs that breezy offers
[05:44] <kkathman> richard: I waited till it was final, and surprisingly had no problems reall
[05:44] <kkathman> really
[05:44] <pospeselr> i've got a problem
[05:45] <richard> ok
[05:45] <icewt> kkathman: err... why not install straight kubuntu instead of going through gnome?
[05:45] <kkathman> richard:  do an alt-f2 then type khelpcenter, then choose the documents
[05:45] <richard> how do you type that to me and make it red, kkathman
[05:45] <thoreauputic> Jacko: try installing xlibs-dev
[05:45] <richard> i need to know that
[05:45] <kkathman> richard:  then look at the release nots
[05:45] <richard> ok
[05:45] <pospeselr> i'm working from a server install of kubuntu, and so far I've apt-get installed x-window-system-core and ssh-server
[05:45] <icewt> kkathman: anyway, i prefer clean install even if i have many apps installed. apt-getting is not that hard. but that's just me ;)
[05:46] <kkathman> richard:  just put your or my name somewhere in the text
[05:46] <richard> like this
[05:46] <kkathman> icewt: suit yourself, but its lots of work :)
[05:46] <pospeselr> when I try to apt-get install kdebase it gives me an error
[05:46] <richard> kkathman:   is this right
[05:46] <kkathman> richard:  BINGO :)
[05:46] <richard> cool
[05:46] <richard> thx
[05:47] <icewt> kkathman: it's also nice to get rid of all the old jund that has been installed over time :P
[05:47] <kkathman> richard: if you dont know, you can just start spelling my name...such as kkat  then hit the tab key and it should finish the name for you
[05:47] <Abysmal> evening all... just installed 5.10.. but cant find php or mysql in the apt-get list... any ideas??
[05:47] <kkathman> icewt: apt-get is good for that too :)
[05:47] <richard> icewt:   look dude, if you cant hack it like us pros, then you should go back to winsucks
[05:47] <pospeselr> error I get is here: http://pastebin.com/397152
[05:48] <kkathman> Abysmal: Try going to the Xampp web site and look at that...its the best php-mysql solution
[05:48] <richard> icewt:  reinstalling isnt a pro thing, fixing it is
[05:48] <icewt> richard: er.. ok :D
[05:48] <icewt> richard: i've fixed enough stuff in debian, thank you very much :)
[05:48] <kkathman> Abysmal: here it is http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp-linux.html
[05:48] <richard> me too, and slackware, red hat, and mac os x and mac os 9
[05:49] <richard> icewt:  so i know alot of things myself, thank you very much
[05:49] <kkathman> Abysmal: its the easiest way to get Apache, PHP and MySQL installed...painless
[05:50] <richard> icewt:  its just that i forget things from time to time, and i come here to figure out what i forgot
[05:50] <pospeselr> hello?
[05:50] <kkathman> pospeselr: hello!
[05:51] <Abysmal> thanks for the info... why isn't available via apt-get lik it is on ubuntu??
[05:51] <kkathman> richard: we all need help now and again, we arent competing just helping each other...I forgot the stupid apt-cache today for crying out loud!!
[05:51] <Jacko> thoreauputic: Yahoo! thank you again wise person who knows all
[05:51] <pospeselr> Anyone have any ideas about my kdebase problem?
[05:52] <thoreauputic> Jacko: heheh - not all by any means - I've been there is all ;)
[05:52] <kkathman> Abysmal: probably because its so much of a hastle to download Apache, then php then MySQL, I just tell everyon to do the Xampp thing...its so simple that anyone can do it :)
[05:52] <kkathman> thoreauputic: wise person that knows all??? Really??
[05:53] <kkathman> the only thing I know is the secret to the meaning of life...and thats 42.
[05:53] <thoreauputic> Jacko: rule #1 --> when compiling, if it says something is missing, search for packages with -dev suffix
[05:53] <thoreauputic> kkathman: ah, that's the  answer - but what is the question ?
[05:53] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:54] <richard> is there anyting that can make kubuntu talk to you
[05:54] <richard> like tell you a joke or something
[05:54] <richard> like mac os x does
[05:54] <icewt-> hm.. freenode seems to be unstable today, or then it's just me. anyway, my intetion was not to start a fight here. richard can fix as much as he wants ;)
[05:54] <wotnarg> richard: fortune?
[05:55] <richard> icewt:  thats ok, im having a bad day anyways, but its not you 
[05:55] <richard> wotnarg:  whats fortune?
[05:55] <Jacko>  thoreauputic: cheers
[05:56] <richard> ! fortune
[05:56] <ubotu> richard: Do they come in packets of five?
[05:56] <thoreauputic> !info fortune
[05:56] <thoreauputic> ah, there's no fortune package
[05:56] <thoreauputic> :(
[05:56] <thoreauputic> apt-cache search fortune ?
[05:56] <wotnarg> richard: a program that gives fortune -- jokes, quotes, etc
[05:57] <wotnarg> fortunes*
[05:57] <_jeremy> i just downloaded the w32codecs to my desktop, how do i install them?
[05:57] <richard> _jeremy:  you dont install them
[05:58] <_jeremy> then what exactly do with the file i just downloaded?
[05:58] <kkathman> ! w32codecs
[05:58] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats deb to download: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[05:58] <thoreauputic> aha
[05:58] <thoreauputic> !info fortunes
[05:58] <ubotu> fortunes: (Data files containing fortune cookies), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 1:1.99.1-2 (breezy), Packaged size: 1075 kB, Installed size: 2748 kB
[05:59] <kkathman> lol
[05:59] <richard> _jeremy: you go to terminal and put sudo mv home/yourname/desktop/filename /usr/lib/win32
[05:59] <kkathman> the things we do for diversion :)
[05:59] <thoreauputic> !info fortune-mod
[05:59] <kkathman> we are truly attention deficit :)
[05:59] <ubotu> fortune-mod: (provides fortune cookies on demand), section games, is optional. Version: 1:1.99.1-2 (breezy), Packaged size: 45 kB, Installed size: 148 kB
[05:59] <richard> _jeremy:  but put all of the codecs into a win32 folder on your desktop before you move them
[05:59] <thoreauputic> those two are needed for fortunes it appears
[05:59] <richard> _jeremy:  ok
[06:00] <_jeremy> so i need all 5 of those files?  or just the one called w32codecs?
[06:01] <richard> _jeremy:  where did you get those
[06:01] <_jeremy> from the tinyurl link from above for breezy ^^^
[06:01] <richard> ! info mplayer
[06:01] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, richard
[06:01] <richard> dang
[06:01] <thoreauputic> hmm - there's a minimal fortunes called fortune-min as well (the things apt-cache search and dpkg -l reveal! )
[06:01] <kkathman> lol
[06:01] <richard> ! mplayer
[06:01] <ubotu> from memory, mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto.  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[06:01] <thoreauputic> richard: no space
[06:02] <thoreauputic> !info molayer-586
[06:02] <richard> oh
[06:02] <thoreauputic> haha
[06:02] <thoreauputic> !info mplayer-586
[06:02] <richard> !info mplayer
[06:02] <ubotu> mplayer-586: (The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 1:1.0-pre7cvs20050716-0.1ubuntu9 (breezy), Packaged size: 3670 kB, Installed size: 7928 kB
[06:02] <thoreauputic> richard: th emplayer package is actually a set of packages
[06:02] <richard> _jeremy needs w32codecs, and im trying to tell him where i got mine
[06:02] <thoreauputic> 386. 586 etc
[06:03] <thoreauputic> !w32codecs
[06:03] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats deb to download: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[06:03] <richard> oh yeah
[06:03] <richard> i forgot about that
[06:03] <thoreauputic> :)
[06:03] <richard> _jeremy are u getting this
[06:03] <richard> !w32codecs
[06:03] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats deb to download: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[06:04] <foodcoman> My repos seem to be acting up!  Grrrrr.
[06:04] <thoreauputic> w32codecs is really just a tarball of codecs that lives in /usr/libw32 or something like that
[06:04] <richard> i told how to fix that earlier
[06:04] <thoreauputic> expanded of course
[06:04] <richard> the repos
[06:04] <richard> /usr/lib/win32 actually
[06:05] <richard> did anyone here do what i typed to fix your repos
[06:05] <geno_> Hello everyone
[06:05] <thoreauputic> richard: yup - correct :)
[06:05] <geno_> Can anyone remind of the command to get KDE on ubuntu?
[06:05] <foodcoman> I am searching in history.
[06:06] <kkathman> foodcoman: what seems to be the problem?
[06:06] <richard> thoreauputic:  would that be the right way to fix the repos though
[06:06] <thoreauputic> geno_:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:06] <thoreauputic> richard: sorry I didn't catch that bit...
[06:06] <geno_> Thanks!
[06:07] <Jacko> how do you unlock? debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[06:07] <kkathman> richard: something wrong with the repos?
[06:07] <geno_> So, it will get all Kubuntu packages?
[06:07] <kkathman> Jacko: maybe you need to use sudo? 
[06:07] <thoreauputic> Jacko: you probably have two instances of apt running
[06:07] <kkathman> geno_: yes it will
[06:07] <foodcoman> Found richard comment so he wont be mad!   ;-)
[06:08] <foodcoman> Remove univ and multi then add them back.  Gets new sig.
[06:08] <richard> thoreauputic:  i told everyone earlier that to fix their repos was to go to synaptic and to remove their universe and multiverse and backport repos, and then to remove the key thats messed up, then to add them back and add the backport so the repos would be fixed
[06:08] <thoreauputic> !gpgerr
[06:08] <ubotu> If you get GPG errors when accessing the Ubuntu archives, sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* (Yes, you will get some 'is a directory' messages, that's fine) then wait 10 minutes and retry.
[06:09] <thoreauputic> that's quicker
[06:09] <richard> thoreaputic:  that didnt work, but my method did
[06:09] <kkathman> seems I saw that earlier :)
[06:09] <kkathman> any port in a storm :)
[06:09] <thoreauputic> richard: hmm - worked for me
[06:09] <thoreauputic> richard: however, whatever works :)
[06:09] <richard> thoreauputic: yeah
[06:09] <kkathman> I dont like synaptic personally :)
[06:10] <kkathman> but thats just me
[06:10] <geno_> What's the difference with Kynaptic?
[06:10] <richard> !kynaptic
[06:10] <thoreauputic> of course, you can just ignore the error - you know where the repos are anyway and apt still works
[06:10] <ubotu> richard: Do they come in packets of five?
[06:10] <richard> dang it
[06:10] <kkathman> Kynaptic is Synaptic with a K
[06:10] <richard> yeah
[06:10] <richard> what you said
[06:10] <kkathman> ! kynaptic
[06:10] <ubotu> kkathman: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[06:11] <kkathman> not an entry I guess richard :)
[06:11] <thoreauputic> an epidemic of spaces...
[06:11] <richard> !info kynaptic
[06:11] <ubotu> kynaptic: (Graphical package manager), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1:0.55+cvs20050115-0ubuntu8 (breezy), Packaged size: 288 kB, Installed size: 1112 kB
[06:11] <richard> there u go
[06:11] <kkathman> ah gotta have that info in there
[06:11] <geno_> When I try to get Kubuntu packages it shows me this:
[06:11] <geno_> 0 mis  jour, 139 nouvellement installs, 0  enlever et 0 non mis  jour.
[06:11] <geno_> E: Impossible de verrouiller /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Ressource temporairement non disponible)
[06:11] <geno_> E: Impossible de verrouiller le rpertoire de tlchargement
[06:11] <kkathman> thoreauputic: but for w32codecs it was a ! and a space
[06:11] <thoreauputic> kkathman: also you introduced a space
[06:11] <geno_> basically, it can't "lock" the repertories
[06:11] <jbroome> there's your problem.  it's in french
[06:12] <kkathman> ! w32codecs
[06:12] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats deb to download: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[06:12] <thoreauputic> kkathman: no..
[06:12] <kkathman> see?
[06:12] <thoreauputic> !w32codecs
[06:12] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats deb to download: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[06:12] <thoreauputic> ^^
[06:12] <kkathman> well it worked my way too :)
[06:12] <richard> yeah
[06:12] <thoreauputic> hmm
[06:12] <richard> it did
[06:12] <geno_> It says it can't lock the folder
[06:12] <thoreauputic> so it did :)
[06:12] <richard> its picky
[06:12] <kkathman> lol
[06:12] <kkathman> nya nya :)
[06:12] <richard> a picky bot
[06:12] <geno_> At least you know it's in french, not in spanish or some other thing :d
[06:12] <kkathman> ROFL
[06:12] <richard> weird
[06:12] <thoreauputic> usually the space is an error
[06:12] <kkathman> its fun
[06:13] <kkathman> I think the parse looks for an ! and thats it
[06:13] <richard> ubotu:  !language
[06:13] <ubotu> richard: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[06:13] <geno_> What do I do?
[06:13] <geno_> To "unlock" the folder?
[06:13] <kkathman> geno_: did you do a sudo apt-get ??
[06:13] <thoreauputic> geno_: did you use "sudo" ?
[06:13] <geno_> yes
[06:13] <kkathman> ^5s thoreauputic 
[06:14] <thoreauputic> :)
[06:14] <geno_> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:14] <kkathman> brilliant minds in the same gutter
[06:14] <geno_> exactly this
[06:14] <_jeremy> ok, i got the w32codecs moved to /usr/lib/win32, now what?
[06:14] <thoreauputic> geno_: do you have synaptic or kynaptic running? If so, close them
[06:14] <jesusfish> how do I make it so users can't browse out of their home dirs?
[06:14] <richard> !reaktivate
[06:14] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, richard
[06:14] <DigitalHobbit> since you mention sudo: can someone help me with some sudo issues? i installed kubuntu yesterday (switched from gentoo). now sudo doesn't seem to work, neither from the console nor from KDE. oddly, "su" works...
[06:14] <kkathman> jesusfish: you'
[06:14] <kkathman> oops
[06:14] <richard> where can i find reaktivate at 
[06:14] <richard> to install on here
[06:15] <richard> on my computer
[06:15] <kkathman> jesusfish: you'll need to set the priviledges on the users and the directories
[06:15] <richard> !info reaktivate
[06:15] <thoreauputic> DigitalHobbit: you used the "expert" install, yes?
[06:15] <geno_> Arg, I wanna try out KDE...
[06:15] <DigitalHobbit> yes, i did
[06:15] <kkathman> jesusfish: read up a little on chown and chmod
[06:15] <thoreauputic> DigitalHobbit: that's why
[06:15] <jesusfish> kkathman: shouldn't that be default though?
[06:15] <richard> thoreauputic:  what do you know about reaktivate
[06:15] <_jeremy> richard, i moved the w32codecs file to /usr/lib/win32 like you said, now what do i do?  im kind of lost
[06:15] <kkathman> jesusfish: nope...only if you create that way to begin with
[06:15] <DigitalHobbit> so only the standard install sets up sudo?
[06:15] <thoreauputic> DigitalHobbit: you need to add your user to the admin group
[06:16] <kkathman> brb...gonna get some water..
[06:16] <richard> _jeremy:  now play a movie file
[06:16] <DigitalHobbit> looks like he is, though. at leaat in the group file i'm in the "adm" group
[06:16] <thoreauputic> DigitalHobbit: yes, the expert install assumes you know what you are doing ;P
[06:16] <DigitalHobbit> wrong assumption, i guess :)
[06:16] <richard> _jeremy:  what program do you watch movie files one
[06:16] <richard> on
[06:16] <thoreauputic> DigitalHobbit:  adduser <user> admin
[06:16] <thoreauputic> as root
[06:17] <geno_> Arg! Anyone know what I need to do?
[06:18] <thoreauputic> geno_: did you check if kynaptic or synaptic are running? Or another instance of apt?
[06:18] <DigitalHobbit> i just tried that. it tells me the "admin" group does not exist. but looking at /etc/group, i am already in the "adm" group
[06:18] <_jeremy> um, apparently im trying to use mplayer
[06:18] <geno_> Yeah I did
[06:18] <geno_> but I'll try again
[06:18] <thoreauputic> DigitalHobbit:  man sudoers && visudo
[06:18] <_jeremy> im told i can view streaming video meant for windows media player in it
[06:18] <DigitalHobbit> thoreauputic: thanks, will dig into it...
[06:18] <richard> _jeremy:  do you have kaffine
[06:18] <richard> really
[06:19] <richard> _jeremy
[06:19] <_jeremy> yes
[06:19] <geno_> Same thing.
[06:20] <richard> where can i find the repos that has mplayer on it
[06:20] <richard> thoreauputic
[06:20] <thoreauputic> richard: it's in multiverse
[06:20] <richard> ok
[06:21] <thoreauputic> !info mplayer-586
[06:21] <ubotu> mplayer-586: (The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 1:1.0-pre7cvs20050716-0.1ubuntu9 (breezy), Packaged size: 3670 kB, Installed size: 7928 kB
[06:21] <DigitalHobbit> thoreauputic: so the issue might be in my sudoers file. only root has an entry here. should there be an entry for the "adm" group?
[06:21] <thoreauputic> richard: apt-cache search mplayer
[06:21] <thoreauputic> DigitalHobbit: no, for the "admin" group
[06:21] <geno_> I tried with Thunderbird and it does the same thing!
[06:22] <thoreauputic> DigitalHobbit: which is another group - you might have to create it
[06:22] <DigitalHobbit> thoreauputic: ok, thanks
[06:22] <geno_> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:22] <geno_> E: Impossible de verrouiller /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Ressource temporairement non disponible)
[06:22] <geno_> E: Impossible de verrouiller le rpertoire de tlchargement
[06:22] <thoreauputic> DigitalHobbit: else just add your user to /etc/sudoers with the visudo command
[06:22] <_jeremy> how do i enter a url into kaffine or mplayer to get it to play streaming video?
[06:23] <richard> file, then open url
[06:23] <thoreauputic> DigitalHobbit: the problem is you used the "expert" install :)
[06:23] <DigitalHobbit> thoreauputic: *sigh*... :)
[06:24] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[06:24] <DigitalHobbit> thoreauputic: i just don't trust default installs. i feel i might be missing some important options.
[06:24] <_jeremy> what about with mplayer, it doesnt have a file or open url that i see
[06:24] <thoreauputic> DigitalHobbit: look on the bright side - you'll learn how to use the sudoers file :)
[06:25] <_jeremy> when i try to put the link in Kaffeine, it tells me that there isnt a URL handler implimented
[06:25] <richard> ok
[06:25] <richard> you just want to stream
[06:25] <richard> is that right
[06:27] <_jeremy> yes
[06:27] <_jeremy> for now that is
[06:28] <geno_> My thing is working now.
[06:30] <jesusfish> kkathman: what should most dirs be, permission wise?
[06:31] <mcquaid> hello, anyone successfully compile a kde/qt app in breezy?  I can't seem to compile a qt program even though I have all the dev files
[06:32] <kkathman> jesusfish: that depends on what you have in mind
[06:32] <mcquaid> never had this issue compiling stuff in hoary, i noticed a lot of dev stuff got removed in the upgrade, but i've already reinstalled them
[06:32] <jesusfish> kkathman: it's my server
[06:32] <mcquaid> right now I get this Set $QTDIR to the Qt directory, eg. /usr/lib/qt3
[06:32] <kkathman> jesusfish: well certainly not 777
[06:32] <kkathman> lol
[06:33] <mcquaid> i've tried passing the qtdir setting on configure but it then fails on another qt error
[06:33] <jesusfish> kkathman: obviously
[06:33] <jesusfish> kkathman: I had thought mine was setup better by default
[06:33] <kkathman> jesusfish: if you are monitoring a server, your directories and files are important, but what your permissions are for your users are probably more important
[06:33] <jesusfish> kkathman: but it looks like most are 755, which is pretty bad security wise
[06:34] <jesusfish> kkathman: not too many users
[06:34] <kkathman> jesusfish: you know about the chown command?
[06:34] <jesusfish> kkathman: ya, I've been using linux for like 9 years now
[06:34] <thoreauputic> root_: *sigh* you should *not* IRC as root
[06:35] <jesusfish> kkathman: I'm quite competent, just not sure what people would considered proper
[06:35] <jesusfish> kkathman: did a quick google search, but nothing really stands out to say what it should be setup as
[06:35] <kkathman> jesusfish: best to do a matrix and determine how you want to segregate the user files, then it could be as simple as just chowning them to that directory I suppose
[06:36] <kkathman> jesusfish: first do your segregation and then files I think
[06:36] <kkathman> jesusfish: I dont have much experience in the security area, so maybe thoreauputic  or richard might have suggestions
[06:36] <aliveuser> does anyone know the name of the java sdk 1.5 name in apt-get?
[06:36] <jesusfish> kkathman: ya, my users stuff is fine, not a concern at all
[06:37] <aliveuser> in breezy
[06:37] <jesusfish> kkathman: they own their stuff
[06:38] <xtacocorex> anyone able to get the compilers installed in breezy, my laptop's harddrive crashed yesterday and i had to get a new one, i was running hoary before, but now it's saying that it won't install and if i try to remove it, it wants to remove most everything 
[06:38] <kkathman> jesusfish: do your users have groups?
[06:39] <kkathman> jesusfish: i.e. are they assigned a group
[06:40] <xtacocorex> synaptic was saying that there were dependency errors, but i uncommented all the repos except for back-ports
[06:40] <jesusfish> kkathman: I barely have users
[06:41] <jesusfish> kkathman: it's basically used for me and as a mail server
[06:41] <jesusfish> kkathman: and my mail server is all using mySQL
[06:41] <jesusfish> kkathman: so no actual users for it
[06:41] <kkathman> jesusfish: ok, well I'd say you can get by on minimal stuff then
[06:42] <kkathman> jesusfish: obviously you have owners, groups and others...same for directories.
[06:42] <richard> i cant remember how to move files around with terminal
[06:42] <richard> what do i type again
[06:42] <jesusfish> kkathman: yes, I know the basics
[06:42] <icewt-> hm.. is there a ftp client in the base install of kubuntu?
[06:42] <jesusfish> kkathman: I know Linux quite well
[06:43] <kkathman> so if you want certain files to be used by a group of users, then you need to set those users in a group and then set the file permissions accordingly
[06:43] <jesusfish> kkathman: all I really need to know what permissions dirs other than home dirs need
[06:43] <xtacocorex> richard: mv will move files, and allows for renaming; cp will copy files
[06:43] <kkathman> jesusfish: typically...I'd say that would be rwxrw-r--
[06:43] <jesusfish> kkathman: but should all users be able to read, say, /etc?
[06:44] <jesusfish> kkathman: like really, should a normal user be able to browse a system?
[06:44] <kkathman> jesusfish: probably not
[06:44] <jesusfish> kkathman: then 755 would be too loose
[06:45] <kkathman> jesusfish:  so you are thinking that some directories should be, say 700 ?
[06:45] <jesusfish> kkathman: I'm thinking maybe 711
[06:45] <kkathman> oops yes 711 sorry
[06:46] <kkathman> 755 would be too lax I'd think
[06:46] <kkathman> but its possible that, say, data files you'll have to put at 755
[06:46] <jesusfish> ya
[06:47] <satafterh> any one know what this means, i am trying to play a dvd rip avi: xine: couldn't find demux
[06:50] <kkathman> greetings chavo :)
[06:50] <chavo> hello
[06:50] <aliveuser> does anyone know the apt-get package of (java)jdk 1.5??
[06:51] <aliveuser> theres just the jdk 1.4.2
[06:55] <kkathman> well Im out for the night...cyall
[06:58] <DigitalHobbit> thoreauputic: woohoo, now i'm in business. sudo works from shell and kde. thanks again.
[06:58] <thoreauputic> DigitalHobbit: :D
[06:58] <thoreauputic> DigitalHobbit: no worries :)
[07:00] <DigitalHobbit> so what's the best gui based package manager for kubuntu? adept or kynaptic?
[07:00] <DigitalHobbit> (hope i'm not starting a flame war)
[07:02] <chavo> DigitalHobbit, I prefer synaptic personally
[07:04] <DigitalHobbit> chavo: what specifically does it offer that adept or kynaptic don't have? i'm trying to stick with kde apps, although i might go with synaptic if the payoff is big enough.
[07:04] <symbulos> hi there! kubuntu newbie here
[07:04] <chavo> DigitalHobbit, it's been in development longer, and to me I prefer the interface
[07:05] <chavo> you only need a couple of dependencies to install it
[07:05] <chavo> plus if you install gtk-qt engine, it looks just like a kde app.
[07:05] <symbulos> We are pretty desperate, connection are very slow here (very rural england). Can anyone send CD with the new version? I will pay postage.
[07:05] <DigitalHobbit> i hadn't heard of gtk-qt before. sounds promising.
[07:05] <symbulos> and CCDs of course
[07:06] <chavo> just my opinion of course, I mostly use apt from command line anyway
[07:06] <Mqueue> I can't seem to install RealPlayer on my KDE ?
[07:07] <chavo> symbulos, there are a couple of places on the net that will do it. postage plus a buck or two
[07:07] <symbulos> can you point me to any of them?
[07:08] <chavo> symbulos, search cheap linux cds, on google
[07:08] <chavo> not sure which ones ship to England
[07:09] <chavo> symbulos, http://www.linuxcd.org/ they have it for $1.99 american and ship worldwide
[07:10] <symbulos> chavo: thanks
[07:10] <chavo> no problem
[07:10] <symbulos> will try with cheap linux, I think it is in england
[07:10] <chavo> cool
[07:11] <aliveuser> if a env variable its exported, it'll stays after restart?
[07:11] <chavo> aliveuser, put it in your ~/.bashrc
[07:11] <symbulos> aliveuser: no, unless you put it in one of the config files, as far as I know
[07:11] <aliveuser> perfect
[07:11] <aliveuser> tnks guys
[07:12] <symbulos> as chavo just said
[07:13] <DigitalHobbit> ok, more problems: i'm trying to install some updates as well as the fglrx ati driver, but there are some http failures. and when i try to do an apt-get update, it complains about an invalid signature. any ideas?
[07:13] <chavo> !gpgerr
[07:13] <ubotu> If you get GPG errors when accessing the Ubuntu archives, sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* (Yes, you will get some 'is a directory' messages, that's fine) then wait 10 minutes and retry.
[07:14] <chavo> little bug in the update
[07:14] <DigitalHobbit> !gpgerr
[07:14] <ubotu> If you get GPG errors when accessing the Ubuntu archives, sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* (Yes, you will get some 'is a directory' messages, that's fine) then wait 10 minutes and retry.
[07:14] <DigitalHobbit> thanks
[07:15] <symbulos> chavo: cheaplinux does sell kubunt 5.10 cds
[07:16] <symbulos> chavo: http://www.cheeplinux.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=43&products_id=337&osCsid=b28d38bf4dae6fe58e935d1bf8b85614
[07:22] <mmahmood> !mplayer
[07:22] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto.  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[07:23] <propagandhi> *ubotu* tell me about ati
[07:24] <propagandhi> !ati
[07:24] <ubotu> well, ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[07:31] <satafterh> hello, does anyone know how to unistall kde 3.5 amd revert back to 3.4.3
[07:34] <Tm_T> :(
[07:34] <Tm_T> satafterh: why?
[07:37] <satafterh> #Tm_T- having aloy of crashes
[07:37] <satafterh> not system, apps
[07:39] <Tm_T> strange
[07:39] <Tm_T> have you reported it?
[07:39] <satafterh> i realy dont know how, very new
[07:40] <Tm_T> !bugs
[07:40] <Tm_T> hmm
[07:40] <satafterh> mosyly knqueror
[07:40] <satafterh> konqueror
[07:40] <Tm_T> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[07:48] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:48] <da_bon_bon> how do i get icons on the desktop ?
[07:48] <da_bon_bon> system, trash, etc ?
[08:02] <aftertaf> morning all
[08:02] <Hobbsee> afternoon aftertaf :)
[08:03] <aftertaf> morning :)
[08:03] <aftertaf> hows Hobbsee this fine GetrelativeTime(Hobbsee) ?
[08:03] <Hobbsee> lol
[08:03] <Hobbsee> dizzy?
[08:04] <Hobbsee> apart from that, good
[08:04] <da_bon_bon> shit! gtk qt engine still doesnt work as root !!
[08:04] <Hobbsee> oh, and supposed to be studying
[08:04] <aftertaf> lol
[08:05] <aftertaf> what you study again? i think i asked, but i just got up :D
[08:05] <Hobbsee> final high school exams, did an english paper yesterday, next one on thurs
[08:06] <Hobbsee> after that, there's 2 maths ones, a physics and a chemistry one
[08:06] <chavo> da_bon_bon, works for me
[08:06] <da_bon_bon> chavo: :( i even did kdesu kcontrol
[08:06] <da_bon_bon> and set it up
[08:08] <chavo> da_bon_bon, I'm not using kubuntu packages though. That might make a difference with kdesu
[08:08] <da_bon_bon> then which packages ?
[08:08] <chavo> I built it myself
[08:09] <chavo> did you try just copying your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 to /root
[08:10] <da_bon_bon> i did that.
[08:10] <da_bon_bon> chavo: you BUILT kde ?!
[08:10] <aftertaf> Hobbsee:  oh yeah, finals as in all subjects ;)
[08:10] <chavo> I build it every couple of days
[08:10] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: that's the one
[08:10] <aftertaf> chavo:  respect :)
[08:10] <aftertaf> Hobbsee:  respect 2
[08:10] <chavo> I run the 3.5 branch from svn
[08:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:11] <chavo> it's not that difficult, I've been running Linux for years
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> chavo: woo hoo! cvs looks kew
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> *kewl
[08:12] <aftertaf> chavo:  when you build a tarball and do the ./autogen .... make install thing, it just replaces the binaries from the last build, right?
[08:12] <chavo> well things break sometimes also, kmail broke on me and I didn't fix it for aslmost two days
[08:12] <chavo> aftertaf, yes as long as you configure it to place them in he same spot
[08:13] <da_bon_bon> aftertaf: which website ?
[08:13] <chavo> I put my builds in /home/kde, doesn't interfere with system stuff and I have /home on a huge partition
[08:13] <aftertaf> chavo:  ok. ad if i want to remove a package? make uninstall is not always present...
[08:13] <da_bon_bon> chavo: you dont make packages ?
[08:13] <chavo> aftertaf, cool, I got it running here also
[08:14] <aftertaf> chavo:  hehe, not all works, but it works enough to drool over every day :D
[08:14] <chavo> da_bon_bon, no I like to keep the development version separate
[08:14] <da_bon_bon> ok, chakie 
[08:14] <da_bon_bon> :!
[08:14] <da_bon_bon> chavo.
[08:14] <chavo> everyone does that :)
[08:14] <chavo> who's this chakie guy anyway?
[08:15] <aftertaf> lol
[08:15] <aftertaf> is there a simplish way to remove a make installed tarball?
[08:15] <chavo> just run make uninstall in the directory
[08:16] <da_bon_bon> chavo: :)
[08:16] <aftertaf> does make uninstall always exist?
[08:17] <chavo> yes, autotools handles all of that when you run configure
[08:17] <aftertaf> nice :)
[08:17] <chavo> of course I'm not supposed to suggest building stuff from source in here
[08:18] <chavo> so don't do it!
[08:18] <da_bon_bon> aftertaf: which site helped you build e17 ?
[08:18] <chavo> there's instructions somewhere on e's site
[08:18] <chavo> well it tells you build order at least, lots of libs to build to get it running
[08:20] <da_bon_bon> ok.
[08:20] <ca5s4va> halo everyone 
[08:21] <ca5s4va> i want to upgrade my hoary into breezy .....
[08:21] <ca5s4va> i change all 'hoary' become 'breezy'
[08:21] <haffe> Yes.
[08:21] <ca5s4va> apt-get update    and  then   apt-get dist-upgrade 
[08:21] <haffe> Yes.
[08:22] <ca5s4va> are those steps correct ?
[08:22] <haffe> Yes.
[08:22] <ca5s4va> ok ... tq 
[08:24] <haffe> I have i problem. I have downloaded a vcalendarfile that's encoded in QP. Is there some utility to convert it to UTF-8/ISO8859-1 ?
[08:27] <aftertaf> da_bon_bon:  www.get-e.org
[08:27] <aftertaf> and  #e here ;)
[08:27] <da_bon_bon> ok, aftertaf 
[08:28] <chavo> http://2sdw.com/enest1.png here's e17 running in an xnest window
[08:29] <aftertaf> chavo:  i like it on this laptop, soooo fast :)
[08:29] <aftertaf> footprint of 14 meg too ;)
[08:31] <da_bon_bon> chavo: WOW! which kde theme ? how did u get that kewl taskbar ?
[08:31] <haffe> Talk about not reading.
[08:31] <da_bon_bon> chavo: use fish ?
[08:31] <chavo> da_bon_bon, the kde windeco is Suse, the style is one I'm making and the taskbar is ripped from a windows theme
[08:32] <chavo> yes I use fish
[08:32] <da_bon_bon> chavo: pity i wont be able to get on kubuntu, unless i install kde-devel :(
[08:33] <chavo> da_bon_bon, they have debs for the windeco http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=23579
[08:34] <da_bon_bon> kewl
[08:34] <da_bon_bon> installing
[08:35] <chavo> some color schemes look woerd with it though, but it installs some that you can use to start out with
[08:35] <da_bon_bon> chavo: the theme .. and the taskbar ?
[08:36] <da_bon_bon> can i get the theme ?
[08:36] <aftertaf> chavo:  you ripped off vista ? :D
[08:36] <chavo> yes
[08:36] <aftertaf> hehe
[08:36] <chavo> shhh!
[08:37] <chavo> I love that background though
[08:38] <chavo> da_bon_bon, http://2sdw.com/LH_FLIPPED.png that's the background I use for kicker, but kicker draws a one pixel line just outside of the background in 3.4
[08:39] <chavo> and the start button is a kbfx theme
[08:39] <da_bon_bon> i like transparent kicker
[08:40] <da_bon_bon> chavo: and what wallpaper ?
[08:40] <chavo> transparent is cool also
[08:41] <chavo> it's the background from windows vista beta 1
[08:41] <da_bon_bon> chavo: link ?
[08:42] <da_bon_bon> no kfbx in repo
[08:43] <chavo> da_bon_bon, http://2sdw.com/5060 (No Text).jpg
[08:43] <chavo> wierd konq stripped the %20s back out
[08:43] <da_bon_bon> kfbx --  any prepackaged deb for ubuntu ?
[08:44] <chavo> I don't think so
[08:44] <da_bon_bon> chavo: thats good .. firefox put em back in :)
[08:44] <chavo> they show as spaces in konq address bar
[08:45] <da_bon_bon> oh.
[08:45] <da_bon_bon> ok.
[08:45] <da_bon_bon> chavo: color scheme ?
[08:46] <da_bon_bon> chavo: :( kde35's taskbar is sexy
[08:47] <aftertaf> true
[08:47] <chavo> yeah kicker has a lot of improvements in 3.5
[08:47] <aftertaf> yeah :D
[08:47] <da_bon_bon> true
[08:47] <da_bon_bon> chavo: which color scheme ?
[08:49] <chavo> da_bon_bon, http://2sdw.com/suse_vista.kcsrc.tar.gz uncompress it in ~/.kde.share/apps/kdisplay/color-schemes
[08:49] <chavo> well I gotta go to sleep it's almost 3 am. goodnight everyone
[08:58] <Toma-> does anyone know how to turn on kmetabar/metabar?
[08:58] <da_bon_bon> same here
[08:58] <da_bon_bon> i want it too
[09:02] <aftertaf> what is kmetabar?
[09:02] <Toma-> its a kde-look thing...
[09:02] <da_bon_bon> the bar on the left hand side
[09:02] <Toma-> also in kde 3.5beta
[09:02] <da_bon_bon> in a konqi window
[09:02] <aftertaf> da_bon_bon:  you got cvs access?
[09:02] <aftertaf> F9
[09:02] <aftertaf> ?
[09:03] <da_bon_bon> aftertaf: cvs access to ? i am not installing e17 now.
[09:03] <Toma-> thats it :) thanks aftertaf 
[09:03] <da_bon_bon> aftertaf: f98 is what i wanted .. 
[09:03] <da_bon_bon> but how do i make it permanent ?
[09:03] <aftertaf> lol da_bon_bon ok
[09:04] <aftertaf> Dunno....
[09:04] <da_bon_bon> :(
[09:04] <aftertaf> try saving profile?
[09:04] <aftertaf> ask Riddell ?
[09:04] <da_bon_bon> ohok
[09:05] <da_bon_bon> and no desktop access applet :(
[09:05] <mcquaid> any one try to compile a qt app yet? i'm getting the 'Set $QTDIR to the Qt directory' even though i've got all the dev files installed
[09:07] <aftertaf> da_bon_bon:  add it to kicker panel...
[09:07] <da_bon_bon> aftertaf: its not available at all
[09:07] <aftertaf> da_bon_bon:  but was there by default? or not? remember not...
[09:07] <da_bon_bon> no.
[09:07] <aftertaf> da_bon_bon:  ah, that sux :)
[09:09] <da_bon_bon> doesnt it :(
[09:10] <aftertaf> yep.
[09:10] <aftertaf> da_bon_bon:  e17 :)
[09:10] <aftertaf> lol
[09:10] <da_bon_bon> dont i wish
[09:10] <da_bon_bon> i dont want to waste time building it, tho
[09:11] <rysiek> Hello guys
[09:12] <rysiek> As most of newbies here: "I've got a strange problem" ;)
[09:12] <rysiek> I have added "vga=791" to my kernel args in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:13] <da_bon_bon> and ?
[09:13] <rysiek> at startup, the console is 1024x768 all right, but lsmod complains it cannot find the file /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/initrd/vesafb.ko - "no such file or directory"
[09:14] <rysiek> it' quite wierd, as I have done locate vesafb.ko - and it's there
[09:14] <rysiek> root@eclipse:/lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/initrd # ls -l
[09:14] <rysiek> (...)
[09:14] <rysiek> -rw-r--r--  2 root root 13606 2005-10-10 15:16 vesafb.ko
[09:15] <rysiek> not lsmod but insmod, of course ;)
[09:15] <aftertaf> hehe
[09:15] <rysiek> lsmod shows that... vesafb is loaded and working 8|
[09:16] <aftertaf> kernel options not my area.....
[09:16] <rysiek> :)
[09:16] <aftertaf> rysiek:  what is your processor?
[09:16] <rysiek> AMD AthlonXP 2400+
[09:16] <aftertaf> install linux-k7 package...... optimised for amd proc :)
[09:16] <da_bon_bon> aftertaf: how do i save the profile ?
[09:16] <aftertaf> you're on 386 right now.
[09:16] <rysiek> yeah, I kno
[09:16] <da_bon_bon> oh
[09:16] <da_bon_bon> found it
[09:16] <aftertaf> da_bon_bon:  i cant remember...... 
[09:17] <da_bon_bon> found it
[09:17] <rysiek> aftertaf: but will the k7 package solve the issue? :)
[09:17] <aftertaf> rysiek:  ok.
[09:17] <aftertaf> dunno.... :)
[09:17] <rysiek> d'oh :] 
[09:18] <rysiek> ok, I suppose it will NOT mess up my system ;)
[09:18] <da_bon_bon> how do i get an option to hibernate ?
[09:18] <aftertaf> rysiek:  not at all...
[09:18] <da_bon_bon> gnome does it in logout box
[09:18] <rysiek> e.g. I have edited the grub's menu.lst file
[09:18] <rysiek> will I have to do update-grub and re-edit it? :)
[09:18] <da_bon_bon> rysiek: you want a framebuffer ?
[09:18] <rysiek> aye
[09:19] <rysiek> and I have a framebuffer :)
[09:19] <da_bon_bon> i think ubuntu uses vga16gb , rysiek 
[09:19] <aftertaf> rysiek:  ask on #ubuntu.. more ppl there
[09:19] <da_bon_bon> so look up on options specific to it
[09:19] <rysiek> ok, thx
[09:21] <_justin> hrm my resolution is set correctly but my desktop is bigger than my monitor anyway.  anybody know why?
[09:21] <CellarDoor> help !!
[09:21] <CellarDoor> kubuntu is hanging on startup
[09:22] <aftertaf> CellarDoor:  on what?
[09:22] <aliveuser> does anyone know a good breezy tweaking guide?
[09:22] <aliveuser> i'm interested in performance
[09:22] <CellarDoor> I'm using knoppix atm... I don't know why kubuntu is hanging halfway through bootup but I might have made a mistake in my hdparm.conf (would that hang my system on startup) ?
[09:23] <CellarDoor> Its the only thing I can think of...
[09:23] <aftertaf> CellarDoor:  dont know. can you access the kernel logs in var? might see the error
[09:23] <CellarDoor> ah I dunno how to do that from knoppix ??
[09:24] <da_bon_bon> CellarDoor: open the drive from the icon on desktop
[09:24] <CellarDoor> ok
[09:26] <CellarDoor> da_bon_bon, done that
[09:26] <da_bon_bon> then ?
[09:26] <aftertaf> /var/log.... hunt around.
[09:26] <da_bon_bon> just go the the location
[09:26] <aftertaf> cant remember name exactly.
[09:30] <CellarDoor> base-config.log has something about kdm.pid not found... but I think thats not it as it seems to be hanging before that... could be wrong
[09:31] <CellarDoor> kdm.log.... Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.7174, but
[09:31] <CellarDoor> this X module is version 1.0.7667. Please be sure that your kernel
[09:31] <CellarDoor> module and all NVIDIA driver files have the same driver version.
[09:31] <CellarDoor> dunno if thats it either though
[09:32] <Stargazers> Hi. This is stupid question but I have tried to find answer hours. So: How I can disable autorun on Ubnuntu/KDE? It really makes me crazy. I like automount but hate that it starts programs automatically. Ideas?
[09:34] <Stargazers> Does anyone knows?
[09:34] <Stargazers> :/
[09:36] <jep> hej
[09:36] <redguy|work> Stargazers: I might try to help you out, but you would have to repeat your question, since I have just joined
[09:36] <CellarDoor> I had a fatal xserver error in there somewhere too... but I cant find which log it was
[09:36] <CellarDoor> anyone got any ideas or should I just reinstall :/
[09:37] <Stargazers> Well, my question is simply how I can disable CD-autorun.
[09:39] <Stargazers> redguy|work: Any ideas?
[09:40] <redguy|work> Stargazers: thinking... what do you exactly mean by autorun?
[09:40] <aftertaf> the fact that it opens a new konq and stuff?
[09:40] <Stargazers> CD-player, DVD-players etc
[09:40] <Stargazers> Yep!
[09:40] <Stargazers> That
[09:40] <Stargazers> :D
[09:41] <Stargazers> Konqueror x3
[09:41] <Stargazers> :O
[09:42] <aftertaf> Stargazers:  real pain.... yeah. specially as it dont work much :/
[09:42] <aftertaf> this said, kde is good :)
[09:43] <redguy|work> in gnome there was a simple way to disable it... got to be somewhere....
[09:43] <Stargazers> Yep, in Gnome :(
[09:43] <Stargazers> But I use KDE
[09:43] <Stargazers> aftertaf: Well, KDE is better in other usage ;)
[09:43] <aftertaf> search everywhere in ctlcenter
[09:44] <Stargazers> Tried already :/
[09:44] <aftertaf> :/
[09:45] <Stargazers> It makes me crazy :D
[09:46] <manveru> isn't it somewhere in the daemons-section of the controlcenter?
[09:46] <manveru> a kind of autorun-daemon
[09:46] <aftertaf> yeah me 2
[09:46] <manveru> tho i never saw something like
[09:46] <Stargazers> Hmm
[09:48] <Stargazers> KDED Media Manager?
[09:48] <aftertaf> hehe yep :)
[09:48] <manveru> sounds like it
[09:48] <aftertaf> could well be
[09:48] <Stargazers> Keep track of media activities and allow to (un)mount (media:/)
[09:48] <Stargazers> Eh... Does it means that it won't even mount media?
[09:49] <manveru> might be configureable
[09:49] <manveru> look for a config-file in your ~/.kde directory
[09:49] <Stargazers> k
[09:51] <Stargazers> No, it didn't help :(
[09:51] <egonw> can anyone help me with this: KDE in breezy has sound, but amarok does not... played with possible engines, with no success
[09:52] <aftertaf> egonw:  doesnt alsa work?, does another media player have sound?
[09:52] <manveru> Stargazers; sorry, but i haven't got kubuntu yet, so i can't help you
[09:52] <egonw> aftertaf: as said, KDE has sound... using esd
[09:52] <Stargazers> Ok :( But thanks for trying still :)
[09:52] <Stargazers> C u ->
[09:52] <manveru> egonw; could you tell us what sound-system your artsd is using?
[09:52] <egonw> KDE control -> test sound gives no problems
[09:53] <egonw> manveru: esd
[09:53] <aftertaf> egonw:  yeah, but xmms, beep, rhythmbox? tried one of those?
[09:53] <manveru> in kde?
[09:53] <aftertaf> manveru:  never got arts applet to load....
[09:53] <egonw> manveru: yes
[09:53] <manveru> what about OSS with threads or ALSA?
[09:53] <aftertaf> egonw:  ^^ yeah, change kde sound system
[09:54] <egonw> xmms has sound
[09:54] <aftertaf> egonw:  esd hogs the sound
[09:54] <manveru> and what is xmms using?
[09:54] <egonw> esd
[09:54] <aftertaf> xmms has what output engine?
[09:54] <aftertaf> esd. ok.
[09:54] <aftertaf> change esd to alsa or th oss in kde sound system
[09:54] <manveru> huh... well, i have to say that i never used the enlightened engine
[09:55] <aftertaf> esd is an old engine.
[09:55] <aftertaf> afaik
[09:55] <egonw> I don't have a preference for any engine...
[09:55] <egonw> and so far used arts with alsa
[09:55] <egonw> KDE config -> alsa works...
[09:56] <egonw> I would guess Amarok -> aRts engine should work too then, correct?
[09:56] <egonw> with alsasink?
[09:56] <egonw> never mind... 
[09:56] <egonw> that's with gstreamer...
[09:57] <egonw> ok, selecting Amarok -> aRts engine does not give sound :(
[09:57] <egonw> which I find rather anoying because I like amarok very much
[09:57] <aftertaf> egonw:  amarok, alsa works?
[09:57] <manveru> i've got the artsd running with OSS(threads) and amarok with gstreamer
[09:57] <egonw> no
[09:58] <egonw> xmms with alsa does not work either
[09:58] <aftertaf> i admit i dont really understnd the workings of the sound engines on linux
[09:58] <egonw> on hoary it worked fine
[09:58] <manveru> well, maybe your kernel has no alsa-module
[09:58] <aftertaf> i have oss threaded for kde, alsa for all the rest
[09:58] <aftertaf> manveru:  std ubuntu kernel... so should have
[09:58] <egonw> manveru: KDE uses alsa... and that has sounds...
[09:58] <egonw> so it seems that alsa is not the problem
[09:58] <ubuntu> Hey guys :)
[09:59] <aftertaf> when i run xms or beep with graphic equalizer on, the sound level drops reall y low...
[09:59] <motyR> kde use arts
[09:59] <MenZa`> Wow, I'm impressed
[09:59] <MenZa`> I'm running Kubuntu Live atm
[09:59] <MenZa`> That is just awsome
[09:59] <aftertaf> hehe MenZa` :)
[09:59] <MenZa`> Anyway, I'll just call acer.
[10:00] <egonw> motyR: and Amarok using aRts does not give sounds, whereas KDE itself does...
[10:00] <manveru> 6h before i get my kubuntu iso...
[10:01] <aftertaf> egonw:  that makes two of us
[10:02] <egonw> aftertaf, manveru: thanx for thinking along
[10:02] <aftertaf> hehe :)
[10:02] <aftertaf> try gstreamer with amaroK, like manveru does...
[10:03] <egonw> aftertaf: tried that too...
[10:03] <aftertaf> :/
[10:03] <egonw> which backend?
[10:03] <egonw> alsasink?
[10:03] <aftertaf> threaded oss
[10:04] <egonw> is that gstreamer0.8-oss ?
[10:05] <egonw> bla... installing that crashes amarok all over me :(
[10:05] <aftertaf> anoying, innit...... :/
[10:11] <egonw> aftertaf: ok, reinstall the amarok packages.... over xine/autodetect is now working
[10:11] <aftertaf> hehe nice one :)
[10:11] <egonw> aftertaf: again thanx
[10:11] <aftertaf> no pbs :)
[10:18] <MenZa`> Hehe
[10:19] <MenZa`> Hmm
[10:20] <MenZa`> oh gdi
[10:21] <icewt> is there some video editing program for kde that allow cutting mpeg2?
[10:22] <nikkia> icewt: not that i'm aware of
[10:24] <icewt> nikkia, ok. i guess i'll have to use avidemux then
[10:27] <freeflying> dose there has a software for index/search for kde 
[10:32] <pparker> hi
[10:32] <MenZa`> hi pparker 
[10:33] <pparker> i've got a problem with amarok: when it plays, it use lot of cpu
[10:33] <pparker> i'm on kubuntu breezy
[10:34] <pparker> how to correct this issue ?
[10:34] <MenZa`> I'm afraid I don't know
[10:34] <MenZa`> I can try running it myself
[10:34] <MenZa`> I'm on Breezy live though
[10:41] <pparker> it seems 1.3.3 fixe this problems, so i hope it will be added quickly in kubuntu repositories
[10:43] <asraniel> pparker: ah, so im not the only one! good to know
[10:44] <asraniel> i mean.. amarok using aroun 50% of the cpu, isnt that normal
[10:45] <pparker> iv' got also koffice not installed correctly, and kaffeine-xine crashes a lot too
[10:45] <pparker> and last one: graphical boot don't work
[10:53] <pparker> ok i added a source for koffice 1.4.2
[10:58] <pparker> broken :(
[11:07] <goo> Hello :)
[11:07] <aftertaf> :)
[11:09] <goo> What network device admin tools does KDE/Kubuntu offer for wireless and cabled network?
[11:09] <goo> Gnome has it's own tools for that - does KDE has something compareable?
[11:12] <asraniel> pparker: there is a workaround for the amarok cpu bug
[11:14] <pparker> asraniel: tell me more
[11:15] <asraniel> pparker: disable the get similar artists in last.fm
[11:15] <asraniel> pparker: its discribed here: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17111
[11:16] <asraniel> goo: i dont use wireless, but there are some tools for it in the menu
[11:19] <pparker> thansk a lot asraniel !
[11:19] <pparker> works fine now
[11:23] <sekundek> Hi!
[11:23] <sekundek> I need help with keyboard config
[11:23] <sekundek> I have trouble write some special characters
[11:24] <sekundek> in some program it work but in others i get ? instead of char
[11:24] <sekundek> i use sl_SI.UTF-8 locale
[11:25] <sekundek> can anybody help me where to look for set things up
[11:27] <aftertaf> sekundek:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales, and choose your locale you mention as the default.
[11:27] <aftertaf> hi again MenZa` 
[11:27] <MenZa`> hi
[11:27] <MenZa`> :d
[11:27] <MenZa`> Just doing backup on my xp system
[11:27] <MenZa`> Then = Reformat
[11:27] <aftertaf> yeah :)
[11:28] <MenZa`> Then = KUBUNTU :D
[11:28] <MenZa`> Oh by the way
[11:28] <MenZa`> I'm gonna do a dual boot
[11:28] <MenZa`> If I want to be using kbuntu upon startup, if I don't select one, what do I install first? xp or kubuntu?
[11:28] <MenZa`> kubuntu*
[11:29] <kainos> hello
[11:29] <kainos> help on network configuration using dhcp
[11:29] <manveru> MenZa`; you have to install xp first
[11:30] <aftertaf> MenZa`:  nope. install xp first, or itll kill grub
[11:30] <MenZa`> okay
[11:30] <MenZa`> that works :D
[11:30] <manveru> MenZa`; because xp will override the boot-sector and the boot-loader of kubuntu
[11:30] <kainos> i installed my kubuntu with disconnected network
[11:30] <sekundek> aftertaf: i does not help
[11:30] <aftertaf> kainos:  edit /etc/network/interfaces
[11:30] <aftertaf> sekundek:  ok, was an idea, i dont know otherwise
[11:30] <kainos> after a while i got hold og my network and tried configuring my network manually...
[11:30] <kainos> how do i do  this?
[11:30] <sekundek> ;)
[11:31] <aftertaf> kainos:  for dhcp?
[11:31] <sekundek> maybe anyone can help about this
[11:31] <kainos> yes dhcp
[11:31] <kainos> what shall i do with /etc/network/interfaces?
[11:31] <kainos> aftertaf
[11:32] <aftertaf> kainos:  you get a private message from me?
[11:32] <puckman> I know I have said this several times but.....
[11:32] <puckman> ah that feels bettter, sorry.
[11:36] <BlankC> !automounter
[11:36] <ubotu> BlankC: Do they come in packets of five?
[11:36] <kainos> tnx aftertaf i will try it
[11:36] <asraniel> can someone tell me why ubuntu is soooo much more popular than kubuntu? im just looking at the number of postings in the ubuntu forums.
[11:38] <aftertaf> kainos:  cool you got it?
[11:38] <aftertaf> asraniel:  existed first.......    not a gnome thing
[11:39] <nikkia> asraniel: there's also the fact that all kubuntu users are by definition ubuntu users also
[11:43] <verden01> hi
[11:43] <aftertaf> :)
[11:45] <verden01> is anyone running kubuntu 64
[11:45] <aftertaf> not me.
[11:56] <gibarian> Argh, still pending
[12:10] <puckman> Kubuntu 64?
[12:10] <puckman> they do one for the c64? WOW
[12:10] <puckman> ;)
[12:11] <Tm_T> yeah!
[12:15] <BlankC> Dunno if its for real or not but here it is: http://lng.sourceforge.net/ Linux on c64.
[12:30] <aftertaf> lol
[12:30] <aftertaf> i think he meant 64bit, nt 64k
[12:30] <aftertaf> *not
[12:34] <_haffe> Wonder if one can run KDE on a c64
[12:36] <nikkia> BlankC: lunix != linux
[12:36] <nikkia> they're about the same age, but they're very different things
[12:43] <treefrog> seems quiet in here!
[12:43] <treefrog> anyone around?
[12:45] <Tm_T> :(
[12:45] <treefrog> Y so glum Tm_T
[12:47] <aftertaf> locales or perl problem ? "perl: warning: Setting locale failed.". how do i fix this?
[12:49] <treefrog> Not sure aftertaf.. seems this place is a bit quiet anyway. 
[12:50] <aftertaf> lol totally :)
[12:52] <puckman> treefrog: yup
[12:53] <kainos> how can i install kubuntu as thin client?
[12:54] <kainos> how can i install kubunti\u as thin client
[12:55] <kainos> help
[12:57] <aftertaf> kainos:  as a thin client? what do you mean, what are youre resuirements?
[12:57] <aftertaf> req*
[01:03] <_fred> hi
[01:03] <Tm_T> :(
[01:03] <kainos> applications and other services runs on a remote server
[01:04] <kainos> the client will simpley access these programs and run them from their PCs
[01:10] <chimaera> hi..
[01:10] <kasim> kainos: aftertaf: i came in a bit late, could you repeat the thin client topic, question ?
[01:11] <chimaera> i have problems using kcontrol. 'non-admin' modules are working, the ones that require admin permission are displayed but after trying to switch to 'admin mode', kcontrol fall s back to the kcontrol main screen. any ideas?
[01:16] <Thorfin> chimaera: I have the same problem and didin't managed to solve it
[01:16] <Thorfin> so I would be interested if you fond any solution
[01:16] <Thorfin> find*
[01:17] <chimaera> Thorfin: sure thing..
[01:17] <Thorfin> you can try to ask at #kde
[01:19] <chimaera> Thorfin: did you ask over at #kde? also, have you visited bugs.kde.org?
[01:20] <Thorfin> chimaera: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-75114.html
[01:21] <Thorfin> chimaera: no one is answering to questions in #kde
[01:21] <Thorfin> that's a pity
[01:21] <Hobbsee> there arent that many people over there
[01:22] <Thorfin> 200 people
[01:22] <Hobbsee> yeah
[01:22] <chimaera> with probably 195 idling ;)
[01:22] <Hobbsee> probably a fair few idle though
[01:22] <Hobbsee> lol
[01:23] <kwtm2> Once I download a *.deb file, how do I use Adept (or Synaptic) to install it?  Ie. how can I specify a repository that is my own /path_to_my/deb_files on my own hard drive?
[01:24] <Hobbsee> kwtm2: in konsole, cd Foldername
[01:24] <Hobbsee> which is case sensitive
[01:24] <Hobbsee> sudo dpkg -i filenamehittabtoautocomplete
[01:24] <Hobbsee> you dont have to use adept or synaptic to install it :)
[01:25] <kwtm2> Thanks, Hobbsee.  What's the format to include that directory in /etc/apt/sources.list so I could use Adept to install it in the future?  (Say I download a truckload of .debs)
[01:25] <mornfall> Hobbsee: don't forget sudo apt-get -f install afterwards =)
[01:25] <Hobbsee> mornfall: what's that do?
[01:25] <mornfall> Hobbsee: fix the broken dependencies you introduced with that dpkg run :-)
[01:26] <chimaera> kwtm2: check http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html
[01:26] <Hobbsee> kwtm2: i wouldnt bother - cd to the directory, sudo dpkg -i *.deb and it'll work
[01:26] <kwtm2> mornfall: could I do "sudo apt-get -f install 'mypackage.deb'" in the first place?
[01:26] <Hobbsee> mornfall: ah right...i'll have to remember that
[01:26] <mornfall> kwtm2: no
[01:26] <chimaera> Thorfin: already tried to reinstall kcontrol?
[01:26] <mornfall> kwtm2: apt doesn't deal with local packages... adept will, at some point
[01:26] <kwtm2> Ah!  Thanks.
[01:26] <mornfall> kwtm2: i suggest you file a wishlist so i keep it in mind for 2.0
[01:27] <chimaera> well, apt does if you create a local repository..
[01:27] <mornfall> kwtm2: (on bugs.kde.org)
[01:27] <kwtm2> chimaera: Yes, how do I create a local repository?
[01:27] <mornfall> chimaera: yeah, with apt-ftparchive after changing anything
[01:27] <mornfall> chimaera: that's what i call "comfortable"
[01:29] <Thorfin> chimaera: nope
[01:30] <Thorfin> chimaera: did you?
[01:31] <kwtm2> krusader depends on libkjsembed1 (>= 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu3); however:
[01:31] <kwtm2>   Package libkjsembed1 is not installed
[01:31] <kwtm2> uh-oh.  Dkpg didn't quite work.  I guess it's not dpkg's fault, since it won't do dependency resolution.  Can I use apt-get to install it?  It says: 
[01:31] <kwtm2> krusader depends on libkjsembed1 (>= 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu3); however:
[01:31] <kwtm2>   Package libkjsembed1 is not installed
[01:32] <chimaera> mornfall: excuse me? oyu just haev to add ad deb-file line to sources.list and update the package file using dpkg-scanpackages * /dev/null | gzip -9c > binary/Packages.g
[01:33] <chimaera> well, adjust the pathnames..
[01:34] <kwtm2> chimaera:  Thanks!  What's the exact format for the deb-file line?  Is there a web page that explains this?  All I see are deb lines listing http sites.
[01:35] <kwtm2> Ah, I see it on the web page now.  Is there also a need for a "deb-src file:///" line, or is "deb file:///" enough?  Is the deb-src for the source code?  (The word "source" has multiple meanings in the Debian world.)
[01:36] <chimaera> kwtm2: no need for the src. and remove the binary from binary/
[01:36] <mornfall> chimaera: excuse me? and how is that easier than apt-ftparchive (which does the same)
[01:36] <chimaera> kwtm2: anyhow, you have to call the update script everytime you add packages..
[01:37] <mornfall> chimaera: the point is that after getting a package you need to run a whole circus of commands just to get it installed with apt
[01:38] <chimaera> mornfall: well, i don't know apt-ftparchive, so i have no idea. all i'm saying is that it'S not complicated for my taste.. but if one command (calling the update script) is a whole circus to you.. well, fine with me.
[01:42] <_michel> ltsp installation sudo ltsp-build-client i get W: Failure trying to run: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg... : any idea why?
[01:42] <mornfall> chimaera: well, in general case, you will also have to move the downloaded file to the repository, apt update and such... and well, if you script it, it's admitting it's complicated :-)
[01:43] <mornfall> chimaera: (and really, writing scripts is not what the user should be doing to install a single .deb)
[01:44] <chimaera> mornfall: sure, but i used  to build my own kde-packages on sid. therefore i used such a local repo.. quite handy. not for the normal user, maybe, but if someone asks, i tell him a solution. if it's considered easy or not by him is out of my hands.. 
[01:45] <chimaera> anyhow, that kcontrol-bug is really annoying. was working and then suddenly stoppen working yesterday evening..
[01:47] <chimaera> btw, is there an unstable/exerimental repository for ubuntu?
[01:48] <Hobbsee> chimaera: not really, there are backports once it opens, and there's universe and multiverse and all that
[01:48] <chimaera> thanks..
[01:49] <chimaera> Thorfin: reinstalling kcontrol did the trick.
[01:50] <kwtm2> Damn, I updated the /etc/apt/sources.list and now Adept says there's a problem with starting Apt.  I guess sources.list is in the wrong format.  Do I put "deb file:///boxln/zip/deb binary" in the file if I have my deb files under /boxln/zip/deb/binary ?  
[01:50] <apokryphos> kwtm2: pastebin your sources.list
[01:52] <chimaera> kwtm2: nope.
[01:52] <chimaera> "deb file:///boxln/zip/deb/binary /" 
[01:52] <kwtm2> apokryphos: Maybe I just have to RTFM.  I'm going through the Apt HowTo right now.  Maybe if i still don't know in 10 minutes, I'll ask again.
[01:52] <da_bon_bon> hi al
[01:52] <da_bon_bon> having installed kde, i now want to remove GNOME .. fully .. how do i go about doing that ?
[01:54] <da_bon_bon> buz: hardly.
[01:54] <buz> i can get a toshiba portegem200 for 1000EUR
[01:54] <buz> (which is 700EUR below MSRP)
[01:54] <buz> the net says i can use debian on it no problem
[01:54] <buz> i just wonder if the tablet stuff is of any use
[01:55] <da_bon_bon> then, most probably, you can use ubuntu too.
[01:55] <buz> got standard stuff: centrino wireless and gf5200
[01:55] <buz> both are well supported
[01:55] <da_bon_bon> go ahead !
[01:59] <kwtm2> New question: if I've just downloaded a .deb file, what's the fastest way to install it?  (I am starting to get a little bit too caught up in package management, so I'll learn it later and just install the package for now.)
[01:59] <apokryphos> kwtm2: right-click
[01:59] <da_bon_bon> kwtm2: dpkg -i FILE
[01:59] <kwtm2> Oh!  Sorry, bad question since I already know dpkg -i; how do I get dependencies?  I have this package and dpkg won't install it due to dependency error.
[01:59] <da_bon_bon> err.. sudo dpkg -i file
[01:59] <apokryphos> Kubuntu Package Menu -> Install Package
[02:00] <apokryphos> kwtm2: man dpkg
[02:00] <kwtm2> I'm using Adept.  Is it easier to use Synaptic?
[02:00] <da_bon_bon> hey .. any good themes or windecos that are available as packages ?
[02:00] <apokryphos> or again you can use the right-click
[02:00] <da_bon_bon> kwtm2: i found synaptic better.
[02:00] <kwtm2> apokryphos: the dpkg man page was what turned me off Debian in the first place.  It has taken 3 years for me to try Ubuntu (well, the first time it was LibraNet).
[02:01] <kwtm2> Thanks, da_bon_bon.
[02:01] <apokryphos> kwtm2: a man page put you off a distro? Hm.
[02:01] <da_bon_bon> kwtm2: never pure debian .. ?
[02:01] <apokryphos> kwtm2: maybe it's time for you to discover man:/dpkg  in konqueror ;-)
[02:01] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: any method to completely remove gnome from my sys ?
[02:02] <kwtm2> apokryphos: ahh... back then LibraNet didn't have KDE.  Maybe I'll try that.
[02:02] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: yes. Do you do any searching before asking on here? ;-) This shouldn't be a substitute for Google and/or forums :P
[02:02] <_david> Silly me deleted the sources.list file on my breezy. Can anyone send me their source.list file to me??
[02:02] <Hobbsee> !tell _david about repositories
[02:03] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: searched and asked a lot .. best solution i was told was to apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop and rmove one by one .. really ?!
[02:03] <_david> hobbsee - I cant find repositories for my breezy
[02:03] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: I don't think you have; seen about 10 people ask that on the forum and got more decent answers
[02:03] <kwtm2> apokryphos: No, it was the dselect program. I could never understand it.  It kept saying "dependencies not resolved" and I could never tell if it meant that it was now going to resolve those dependencies for me, or whether it was unable to do so.  Then it would start downloading a ton of stuff even when I was just installing a tiny program, and whenever there was some error and I aborted, the next time it had to download a ton of 
[02:03] <kwtm2> oads were going so I wouldn't have to re-download.
[02:03] <Hobbsee> !repos
[02:03] <ubotu> [sources]  at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[02:04] <Hobbsee> _david: see the breezy repos from that post
[02:04] <apokryphos> kwtm2: well next time you get into dpkg hell, let me know what's causing it
[02:04] <_david> hobbsee - thanks.
[02:04] <kwtm2> apokryphos: Ok!  I'll ask you now:
[02:04] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: any links ? or you want to send me on a fishing expdition ?
[02:05] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: or teach you how to use the mighty "Search" that they have ;-)
[02:05] <raphink> hi all
[02:05] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: is this on a clean install? As in, have you installed many other things?
[02:05] <kwtm2> apokryphos: here it comes:
[02:05] <kwtm2> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of krusader:
[02:05] <kwtm2>  krusader depends on libkjsembed1 (>= 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu3); however:
[02:05] <kwtm2>   Package libkjsembed1 is not installed.
[02:05] <NeedHelp> Hi, i need to install the software TeamSpeak, can someone help me?
[02:05] <raphink> anyone having kde 3.5beta1 manages to use gpg encoding ?
[02:05] <raphink> or just signatures
[02:05] <apokryphos> kwtm2: where did you get that from?
[02:06] <kwtm2> That was from the command line "dpkg -i myKrusaderPackage.deb"
[02:06] <mornfall> chimaera: i definitely find dpkg -i ; sudo apt-get -f install easier :-)
[02:06] <raphink> kwtm2: did you try apt-get -f install?
[02:06] <kwtm2> That was teh result of the command line
[02:06] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: no. hoary to breezy. lots of stuff installed. customized.
[02:06] <kwtm2> raphink: how do I "apt-get -f install"?  Do I append MyKrusaderPackage.deb to the end of that?
[02:06] <apokryphos> kwtm2: no... where did you get the deb from?
[02:06] <raphink> nope kwtm2 
[02:06] <chimaera> mornfall: me, too. that is, i always have one root-tab in konsole open so i spare mysef the sudo ;)
[02:06] <raphink> kwtm2: sudo apt-get -f install
[02:06] <raphink> nothing else
[02:06] <kwtm2> I downloaded it from SourceForge.  It was the Ubuntu deb.
[02:07] <kwtm2> raphink: should my package filename be in that command somehow?
[02:07] <chimaera> mornfall: just wanted to show alternatives.. thats all.
[02:07] <raphink> then if dependencies lack
[02:07] <apokryphos> kwtm2: and what was it for, hoary/breezy? Why not use the one in kubuntu's repositories? Dated or something?
[02:07] <kwtm2> Btw, I'm logged in as root (well, in one of the Konsole windows I am)
[02:07] <da_bon_bon> kwtm2: why use apt to install individual packages ?
[02:07] <mornfall> chimaera: i have an somewhat-elaborate shell function 'apt' that runs aptitude if available and apt-get if not, using sudo :-)
[02:07] <kwtm2> apokryphos: krusader isn't even in the Ubuntu repositories.  I have no idea why.
[02:07] <raphink> you can try sudo apt-get build-dep nameofyourpackage
[02:07] <raphink> and then dpkg -i nameofyourpackage
[02:08] <apokryphos> !info krusader
[02:08] <ubotu> krusader: (Twin-panel (commander-style) File Manager for KDE), section universe/utils, is optional. Version: 1.60.0-1ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 1937 kB, Installed size: 5276 kB
[02:08] <NeedHelp>  (li):[Diego:[(li)  ha lasciato la chat.
[02:08] <apokryphos> kwtm2: yes it is
[02:08] <NeedHelp> Hi, i need to install the software TeamSpeak, can someone help me?
[02:08] <apokryphos> kwtm2: even though it's kinda lame compared to Konq :P
[02:08] <kwtm2> apokryphos: So why can't Adept find the package?  Is it deficient?  I'll try Synaptic if necessary.
[02:08] <raphink> apokryphos: I don't have it either
[02:08] <raphink> <~~~   raphink sur raphink  14:08:21 #14 : ~/knetworkconf-0.6.1   ~~~>
[02:08] <raphink>  $ apt-cache search krusader
[02:08] <mornfall> kwtm2: do you have universe in repos?
[02:08] <raphink> no answer...
[02:08] <kwtm2> Apokryphos: konq is too slow to be a file manager.
[02:09] <apokryphos> kwtm2: obviously it has nothing to do with adept
[02:09] <mornfall> same to raphink 
[02:09] <apokryphos> kwtm2: yeah right
[02:09] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: why did you ask ?
[02:09] <raphink> and I have all repositories activated
[02:09] <NeedHelp> Hi, i need to install the software TeamSpeak, can someone help me?
[02:09] <chimaera> mornfall: mostly i just use apt. beeing one of those old-school debian guys. got used to synaptic, though. adpept is just lacking too many feature.. i'll take a look ta t again in some months..
[02:09] <kwtm2> mornfall: I uncommented the "universe" lines in /etc/apt/sources.list, and I was able to install mplayer, so I suppose it is.
[02:09] <raphink> o_O
[02:09] <raphink> apt-cache doesn't find krusader
[02:09] <raphink> but apt-get install installs it
[02:09] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: remove something like libgnome2-0
[02:09] <raphink> lol
[02:09] <raphink> NeedHelp: what is this program?
[02:10] <NeedHelp> Teamspeak
[02:10] <kwtm2> raphink: Can you clarify: do you mean "apt-get install" or "apt-get install krusader"?
[02:10] <NeedHelp> :raphink Teamspeak
[02:10] <mornfall> *sigh*
[02:10] <raphink> kwtm2: apt-get install krusader 
[02:10] <apokryphos> kwtm2: mplayer is in Multiverse, not universe
[02:10] <kwtm2> raphink: I'll try that.
[02:10] <raphink> NeedHelp: what is that?
[02:10] <kwtm2> apokryphos: I know, but I figured if I got multiverse right, I probably got universe right.
[02:10] <mornfall> raphink: it's a bit like skype, but more for game comm
[02:11] <NeedHelp> :raphink look @ mornfall
[02:11] <raphink> kwtm2: to be more precise just in case, you ahve to type : sudo apt-get install krusader
[02:11] <apokryphos> or just use adept
[02:11] <NeedHelp> :raphink I PREFERE SKYPE but i dunno how to install skype
[02:11] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: sudo apt-get remove libgnome2-0 gnome*  -- that must get everything .. only, it removes gaim too.
[02:11] <apokryphos> !tell NeedHelp about skype
[02:11] <raphink> NeedHelp: do you know easy ubuntu?
[02:11] <raphink> or automatix
[02:11] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: obviously -- no need for the wildcard
[02:11] <NeedHelp> no i dunno
[02:11] <kwtm2> Ahh!  I see that "apt-get install krusader" suggested that I do "apt-get -f install".  I wonder what that does.  Hope this works.
[02:12] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: ubuntu's gaim uses gnome libs. Not sure why you'd use it anyway, but hey :P
[02:12] <raphink> kwtm2: `apt-get -f install ' repairs your database
[02:12] <raphink> when it's broken
[02:12] <apokryphos> kwtm2: that's because you tried to install the faulty deb earlier
[02:12] <NeedHelp> I received an HOWTO thanks
[02:12] <raphink> that's why I had told you to do it earlier
[02:12] <apokryphos> well, installed it without the correct depends earlier that is
[02:12] <raphink> yep
[02:12] <kwtm2> I still have error msgs... would it be rude to paste 5 long lines of stuff here?
[02:12] <raphink> kwtm2: did you run `sudo apt-get -f install'?
[02:12] <apokryphos> yes
[02:13] <apokryphos> kwtm2: use a pastebin service
[02:13] <kwtm2> Yes, I just did.  I got errors from that:
[02:13] <kwtm2> Where's the pastebin?
[02:13] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: kopete ? :)
[02:13] <apokryphos> kwtm2: /topic
[02:13] <raphink> kwtm2: paste me the erros in PV
[02:13] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: that's right!
[02:13] <kwtm2> raphink: "PV" = ... ?
[02:13] <raphink> private
[02:13] <apokryphos> or just post in #flood
[02:13] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: err.. i am ver accustomed to gaim
[02:13] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: unlucky :P
[02:14] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: though kopete has many great features! like decent file transfer .. and integration :)
[02:14] <apokryphos> indeed
[02:14] <apokryphos> and has proper webcam support (in svn only so far, though)
[02:14] <da_bon_bon> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=71628&highlight=completely+remove+gnome --> this is nice
[02:14] <chimaera> da_bon_bon: they should really work on jabber-muc support.. w/o it, i just refuse using kopete.. ;)
[02:14] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: right .. 
[02:15] <apokryphos> plus, gaim is just ugly :P
[02:15] <kwtm2> raphink: I can't send pvt msgs
[02:15] <kwtm2> I have to register first.  Hang on.
[02:15] <raphink> oh right you need to register
[02:15] <apokryphos> kwtm2: post in #flood
[02:15] <NeedHelp> Help ME! For downloading skype this adress don't works! Why? deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[02:15] <apokryphos> kwtm2: /msg nickserv register password
[02:15] <chimaera> apokryphos: well, at least has feasible jabber-muc support..
[02:15] <NeedHelp> it finds skype
[02:15] <NeedHelp> but it don't install it
[02:15] <da_bon_bon> NeedHelp: on ubuntu, you MUST use etch , not stable.
[02:15] <da_bon_bon> right again, apokryphos 
[02:16] <apokryphos> NeedHelp: that error is dead; just download the deb directly from the link it provides on that wiki page
[02:16] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: you use kde from svn ?
[02:16] <FiNeX> hi all!
[02:16] <apokryphos> sure, but not on my default account
[02:16] <kwtm2> apokryphos: done!  It's in flood
[02:16] <raphink> just reading /topic, is the GPG fixes linked to issues with kmail?
[02:16] <NeedHelp> :apokryphos where can i find it?
[02:16] <apokryphos> kwtm2: make sure you don't get errors from apt-get update
[02:17] <apokryphos> NeedHelp: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Skype -- the link I gave you earlier
[02:17] <kwtm2> apokryphos: So I do "apt-get update" first?
[02:17] <apokryphos> of course
[02:17] <apokryphos> and verify that there are no errors
[02:17] <NeedHelp> :apokryphos ok thanks, (i am on Kubuntu)
[02:17] <apokryphos> you could just be experiencing us.archive evilness again
[02:17] <kwtm2> I just ran it about 3 times before I signed on.
[02:17] <apokryphos> and did you get errors?
[02:17] <raphink> yes he did
[02:18] <raphink> some sources can't be fetched it seems
[02:18] <kwtm2> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[02:18] <kwtm2> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[02:18] <kwtm2> Yes.  It says: 
[02:18] <kwtm2> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[02:18] <kwtm2> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[02:18] <apokryphos> remove the us.archive rubbish then, and see if it's ok then
[02:18] <raphink> the us breezy backports
[02:18] <raphink> kwtm2: don't remove them, comment them
[02:18] <raphink> put a # before each line about us breezy backports
[02:19] <raphink> so you can add them again when they work
[02:19] <raphink> by removing the #
[02:19] <NeedHelp> :apokryphos When i try connecting http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/  it says 403 forbidden ;_;
[02:19] <kwtm2> raphink: too late!  But I have a backup copy
[02:19] <raphink> as yo uwish ;)
[02:19] <apokryphos> NeedHelp: don't use the repository, then
[02:20] <apokryphos> NeedHelp: note that there is an *Or* -- so just directly download the deb as it mentions previously
[02:20] <raphink> NeedHelp: then go to skype.com and download the .deb package
[02:20] <apokryphos> kwtm2: you shouldn't have removed it
[02:20] <raphink> and install it manually
[02:20] <apokryphos> just altered the us. stuff
[02:20] <kwtm2> raphink: only the backports, or replace all "us.archives.ubuntu" with "archives.ubuntu"?
[02:20] <apokryphos> (that's what I meant)
[02:20] <raphink> only the breezy backports kwtm2 
[02:20] <raphink> otherwise you'll remove most of your sources I guess
[02:21] <raphink> kwtm2: once you're done commenting (or removing) the lines
[02:21] <raphink> run sudo apt-get update again
[02:21] <kwtm2> raphink: Done!  And then "apt-get -f install" and then "apt-get install krusader".  It says everything is done.
[02:22] <kwtm2> So let me see if Krusader is here...
[02:22] <raphink> should be ;)
[02:22] <kwtm2> Yes!!!
[02:22] <kwtm2> Awesome!  Thank you people!
[02:22] <helpme2> is it true that having both ubuntu & kubuntu is problematic in breezy?
[02:22] <apokryphos> no
[02:23] <raphink> I don't have problems helpme2 
[02:23] <raphink> there's no reason why it should be a problem to have both kde and gnome on the same system
[02:23] <raphink> ;)
[02:23] <raphink> thankfully
[02:24] <kwtm2> Wow, I love that Krusader.  Thanks, all.
[02:24] <apokryphos> epitome of a pseudo-konqueror :D
[02:24] <raphink> lol
[02:24] <raphink> I love konqueror
[02:25] <raphink> ;:)
[02:25] <apokryphos> touche
[02:25] <da_bon_bon> why, Hobbsee ?
[02:25] <da_bon_bon> Hobbsee: \btw, which repo ?
[02:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how do i get rid of these damned error messages???
[02:26] <asraniel> anybody has beta 2? is it bugy or not? reviews anyone? :-)
[02:26] <da_bon_bon> ftp.kde.org one ?
[02:26] <Hobbsee> see kubuntu site
[02:26] <Hobbsee> asraniel: right now, a pain in the neck
[02:26] <da_bon_bon> this ? ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/3.5-beta2/kubuntu/
[02:26] <Hobbsee> that too
[02:26] <Hobbsee> i'm getting artsd crashing on me error messages around every 5 seconds
[02:26] <Hobbsee> and havent been able to find out how to make them stop
[02:26] <Hobbsee> so i kill them every fifty or so, by holding enter
[02:26] <da_bon_bon> Hobbsee: where on kubuntu.org ? cant find it anywhere ?
[02:27] <Hobbsee> maybe it's not quite up there
[02:27] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: eek! why doesnt kopete auto connect ?
[02:27] <Hobbsee> go to the beta one page, and stick a 2 where the one is
[02:27] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: you haven't set it to?
[02:27] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: err.. cant find it.
[02:27] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: the handbooks are always good; it's probably in there =)
[02:27] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: help:/kopete  in Konqueror
[02:27] <raphink> da_bon_bon: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/3.5-beta2/kubuntu/ works
[02:28] <raphink> just tried it
[02:28] <Hobbsee> raphink: you installed it yet?
[02:28] <raphink> I'm installing
[02:28] <Hobbsee> raphink: good luck!
[02:28] <raphink> I am currently using beta1
[02:28] <da_bon_bon> raphink: how do i add it in apt ?
[02:28] <raphink> so i'll see if it's better
[02:28] <da_bon_bon> Hobbsee: what error messages ?
[02:28] <Hobbsee> ones about artsd
[02:28] <Hobbsee> i cant get to the backtrace, there's an error there too
[02:28] <raphink> da_bon_bon: edit your sources.list ( sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list )
[02:28] <raphink> then add the following line
[02:29] <raphink> deb ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/3.5-beta2/kubuntu breezy main
[02:29] <raphink> if you're using breezy
[02:29] <da_bon_bon> yes.
[02:29] <da_bon_bon> thanks
[02:29] <raphink> it's very slow though :(
[02:29] <Hobbsee> true
[02:29] <da_bon_bon> raphink: the server ? or kde itself ?
[02:29] <raphink> 2% [2 kdelibs4c2 2976768/8462kB 35%]                                                                                 42,5kB/s 1h5m38s
[02:29] <raphink> :(
[02:29] <raphink> the server
[02:29] <Hobbsee> slow repositories was the least of my problems with it lol...
[02:30] <da_bon_bon> what ?! bytes per second
[02:30] <Hobbsee> yeah, it goes up
[02:30] <raphink> no
[02:30] <raphink> kilobytes per second
[02:30] <da_bon_bon> Hobbsee: which repo did you use ?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> kubuntu.org one
[02:30] <Hobbsee> first one on that list
[02:30] <da_bon_bon> oooh! u r fast .. raphink : my fastest net speed is 30 kbps tops
[02:30] <raphink> lol
[02:31] <raphink> mine is 20 mbps top
[02:31] <da_bon_bon> Hobbsee: where is the list ?
[02:31] <da_bon_bon> raphink: lucky
[02:31] <raphink> about 1000x faster ;)
[02:31] <apokryphos> unless I'm downloading onto my server :D
[02:31] <da_bon_bon> you lucky <insert country here> - ians :D
[02:31] <apokryphos> where it's 6meg/s :P
[02:32] <raphink> lol
[02:32] <raphink> doesn't work with my country though da_bon_bon 
[02:32] <da_bon_bon> why, raphink ?
[02:32] <raphink> since it finishes with ench in my case
[02:32] <da_bon_bon> Hobbsee, raphink: gpg key signing errors :(
[02:32] <da_bon_bon> and this doesnt wor\k --ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/3.5-beta2/kubuntu/ARCHIVE
[02:32] <da_bon_bon> raphink: french - ian :D
[02:33] <Hobbsee> i'll get you the link i used in a sec
[02:33] <raphink> :p
[02:33] <Hobbsee> if you get the blasted artsd errors, use killall knotify
[02:33] <Hobbsee> and it will all go away
[02:33] <raphink> da_bon_bon: with ridell's key?
[02:33] <da_bon_bon> Hobbsee: i wont be updating kde till today night, when my net is free :)
[02:33] <Hobbsee> :D they're gone!
[02:34] <raphink> da_bon_bon: if you've got key problems with kde beta
[02:34] <raphink> download Jonathan Ridell's key
[02:34] <raphink> wget http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[02:34] <raphink> and then
[02:34] <raphink> sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[02:34] <raphink> then it should work 
[02:34] <da_bon_bon> ok .. great
[02:35] <scanner> Hi
[02:35] <scanner> :-)
[02:35] <raphink> hi scanner 
[02:35] <Hobbsee> hi
[02:35] <scanner> Cool the new kubuntu version
[02:35] <scanner> :-)
[02:35] <raphink> hmm sure
[02:35] <raphink> :)
[02:35] <da_bon_bon> oooh! key errors in archive.ubuntu.com too :P
[02:35] <da_bon_bon> ubotu: gpg error
[02:35] <ubotu> da_bon_bon: Do they come in packets of five?
[02:35] <da_bon_bon> fo :P
[02:35] <raphink> da_bon_bon: paste them in PV
[02:36] <scanner> Do you know how can I install j2re
[02:36] <scanner> ?
[02:36] <da_bon_bon> paste what ?
[02:36] <raphink> scanner: use automatix
[02:36] <raphink> paste the error messages da_bon_bon 
[02:36] <scanner> ?????????
[02:37] <da_bon_bon> scanner: get the sun package .. do apt-get install java-package , make-jpkg , and then install resulting deb
[02:37] <raphink> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66563
[02:37] <raphink> taht's the easiest way to install a lot of useful non free stuff
[02:37] <da_bon_bon> GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[02:37] <Hobbsee> http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35beta2.php
[02:38] <Hobbsee> is the link to the beta 2, if anyone's brave enough
[02:38] <Hobbsee> got rid of the blasted crashing symbols for long enough to get to it
[02:38] <scanner> scanner@TRINITY:~$ sudo apt-get install java-package
[02:38] <scanner> Password:
[02:38] <scanner> Lettura della lista dei pacchetti in corso... Fatto
[02:38] <scanner> Generazione dell'albero delle dipendenze in corso... Fatto
[02:38] <scanner> E: Impossibile trovare java-package
[02:39] <helpme2> can i just install kubuntu by adding kubuntu install cd to synaptic, then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, without internet? or will intenet be needed?
[02:39] <apokryphos> scanner: do not paste in here -- use a pastebin.
[02:39] <apokryphos> helpme2: yes
[02:39] <raphink> it should work helpme2 
[02:40] <helpme2> apokryphos: without internet?
[02:40] <raphink> yes helpme2 
[02:40] <helpme2> thanks
[02:40] <raphink> scanner: you've got two options
[02:40] <raphink> either download the .bin installer from sun 
[02:40] <raphink> or use automatix
[02:40] <raphink> well there are other options but these are the easiest ones
[02:40] <scanner> what is automatix
[02:40] <raphink> easy ubuntu might do it oo
[02:41] <raphink> I sent you the link scanner
[02:41] <NeedHelp> apokryphos: THANK YOU! IT WORKS!!
[02:41] <raphink> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66563
[02:41] <raphink> automatix is a script that will install some non-free stuff on yoru system
[02:41] <raphink> like java, flash, skype, and other things
[02:41] <scanner> WAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[02:41] <scanner> :-)
[02:41] <scanner> Thanks guy
[02:41] <raphink> you have download it here : http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=2990&d=1129612364
[02:42] <raphink> then isntall zenity : sudo apt-get install zenity
[02:42] <raphink> tar xzf automatix-breezy.tar.gz
[02:42] <raphink> cd Automatix
[02:42] <raphink> ./install
[02:42] <raphink> after that
[02:42] <raphink> Automatix should be installed in you menu
[02:42] <raphink> and you just have to run it
[02:42] <raphink> and it will install codecs, java, flash and other stuff
[02:43] <raphink> real player too
[02:44] <helpme2> wow i never heard abt automatix anywhere:(
[02:45] <raphink> it's quite new
[02:45] <da_bon_bon>  New user accounts (who have not run KDE before) can't log in to KDE --> WHAT ?! why ?
[02:45] <raphink> it's based on the idea of easy ubuntu
[02:45] <raphink> da_bon_bon: ?
[02:45] <da_bon_bon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems
[02:45] <da_bon_bon> oohh! beta1
[02:46] <Hobbsee> yeah, beta1
[02:46] <raphink> never had this pb
[02:46] <dazza> man it's a nuthouse in #ubuntu...
[02:46] <Tm_T> beta2 is different ;)
[02:46] <Hobbsee> beta2 certainly is different...
[02:46] <raphink> why dazza ?
[02:46] <Tm_T> I like
[02:47] <da_bon_bon> sure guys !
[02:47] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: i dont like, my machine gives error messages until i kill knotify, which means i get no notifications!
[02:47] <dazza> raphink: 500 people, so much talking...
[02:47] <raphink> hehe
[02:47] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: hm?
[02:47] <Hobbsee> dazza: that's normal for #ubuntu
[02:47] <raphink> I wouldn't like that ;)
[02:47] <dazza> my irc client isn't really optimised for heavy irc use... hehe
[02:47] <raphink> + I don't like gnome , so...
[02:47] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: having a little trouble with kde 3.5 beta 2 here lol
[02:47] <dazza> Hobbsee: it's been heavier since breezy came out
[02:48] <Hobbsee> dazza: which are you using?  true
[02:48] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: that's strange
[02:48] <Tm_T> irssi <3
[02:48] <raphink> pfff
[02:48] <Hobbsee> it is
[02:48] <apokryphos> yuck :P
[02:48] <dazza> Hobbsee: kopete :) cos i use IM more than IRC
[02:48] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[02:48] <scanner> I have to install it as root?
[02:48] <Hobbsee> konversation here, using kopete for chat
[02:48] <scanner> Sorry
[02:48] <scanner> I'de lost my connection
[02:48] <raphink> I use both kopete for IM and Konversation for IRC
[02:48] <apokryphos> IRC is technically IM </pedant>
[02:49] <raphink> since I had so many pbs with IRC in kopete some time ago
[02:49] <da_bon_bon> xchat rulez ! i can almost hear apokryphos "eeek"-ing it :D
[02:49] <raphink> oh well same as Hobbsee that is :)
[02:49] <raphink> da_bon_bon: xchat ! you gtk guy :p
[02:49] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:49] <mcscruff> anyone installed kde 3.5 beta 2?
[02:49] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: come to the light!
[02:49] <da_bon_bon> :D
[02:49] <raphink> loool
[02:49] <helpme2> whr can i download automatix?
[02:50] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: light ? there aint no firefox in the light of kde :(
[02:50] <raphink> mcscruff: I'm installing it now
[02:50] <dazza> raphink: i used to have separate apps for each but i found myself neglecting irc because of all the im convos
[02:50] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: firefox yuck :P
[02:50] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: konqueror yuck yuck .. really
[02:50] <apokryphos> well, tbh, I do like Firefox. Just not as much as Konqueror or Opera
[02:50] <raphink> helpme2: http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=2990&d=1129612364
[02:50] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: why? You don't like fast applications? ;-)
[02:50] <apokryphos> and superior HTML rendering engines :D
[02:50] <mcscruff> raphink, have you got the repo?
[02:50] <scanner> sorry
[02:50] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: i know FF is slow .. but secure, stable, compatible .. what more ? mature too
[02:50] <scanner> I lost my connection
[02:50] <scanner> ;-(
[02:51] <Hobbsee> mcscruff: yes...
[02:51] <raphink> mcscruff: http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35beta1.php
[02:51] <raphink> I prefer konqueror to firefox
[02:51] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: secure? They announce major security flaws like every other week :D. Stable? Pretty much. Compatible? That's a big plus? ;-) 
[02:51] <mcscruff> thats beta 1
[02:51] <da_bon_bon> :)
[02:51] <raphink> hehe
[02:51] <dazza> da_bon_bon: ff can't do things like imap://user@emailserver/ to read email
[02:51] <psyke> hi, has anyone tried to install initng on ubuntu breezy?
[02:51] <raphink> oh sorry mcscruff 
[02:51] <helpme2> raphink: its asking me with what app i want to open it.......
[02:51] <psyke> or kubuntu :)
[02:51] <da_bon_bon> i am fighting a losing battle, apokryphos ... as i was fighting yesterday for kde :(
[02:51] <raphink> replace with a 2 http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35beta2.php
[02:52] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: against gnomers? Good luck.
[02:52] <dazza> da_bon_bon: firefox is better for non-conformant websites IMHO
[02:52] <raphink> helpme2: do you have ubuntu or native kubuntu?
[02:52] <apokryphos> dazza: in many cases, most certainly
[02:52] <apokryphos> dazza: but then again IE is even better
[02:52] <raphink> do you guys know why the gnome logo only shows the track of his feet?N
[02:52] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: no. with you .. u always offer such counter-points that i am :X
[02:52] <apokryphos> which is saying something 8)
[02:53] <dazza> apokryphos: but setting up IE under ubuntu? pain!
[02:53] <apokryphos> dazza: and ugly
[02:53] <raphink> dazza: installing IE under linux is forbidden by the IE licence
[02:53] <raphink> :p
[02:53] <apokryphos> slow, crap, rubbish etc etc
[02:53] <dazza> apokryphos: indeed - especially under KDE
[02:53] <raphink> helpme2: ?
[02:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:53] <raphink> even then
[02:53] <dazza> raphink: and watching dvds with libdvdcss is forbidden by the royal arseholes at ARIA/RIAA :D
[02:54] <raphink> hehe
[02:54] <raphink> same here Hobbsee 
[02:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:54] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: really .. u use konqueror, kopete, and konversation ?
[02:54] <raphink> anywhere, no IE
[02:54] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: a big part of your market will be disappointed :P
[02:54] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: kvirc instead of konversation
[02:54] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: they'll complain if it doesnt work right...
[02:54] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: though I think konversation might well be better for most users (isn't for me)
[02:54] <raphink> kde 3.5beta install done
[02:54] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: indeed
[02:54] <raphink> :)
[02:54] <Hobbsee> and it's not like i sell anything off it anyway
[02:55] <Hobbsee> raphink: nice...good luck!
[02:55] <raphink> gonna restart kde to try it
[02:55] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: i still like irssi the best
[02:55] <Hobbsee> restart x to use it
[02:55] <raphink> cya 
[02:55] <Hobbsee> cya soon
[02:55] <helpme2> raphink: when i click on ur link, the open with window opens....???
[02:55] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: I just can't help feeling dirty confining myself to CLI when there are a few great GUI apps for the job
[02:55] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: you like gui and hate CLI ?
[02:55] <apokryphos> quite the contrary
[02:55] <apokryphos> but a balance of the two is necessary in Linux
[02:56] <apokryphos> dazza: it doesn't make the best attempt at one 8)
[02:56] <apokryphos> it's slow, and intensive, and lacks a few basic IRCisms
[02:56] <apokryphos> (well, first two points: on big channels)
[02:56] <scanner> Ciao belli. See you later..
[02:57] <ndazza> yeah it really sucks on big channels
[02:57] <raphink> back
[02:57] <ndazza> but worst of all if you use /commands that don't exist it dumps them straight into the channel
[02:57] <raphink> arggh
[02:57] <Hobbsee> raphink: how is it?
[02:57] <raphink> artds crashing
[02:57] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:57] <ndazza> eg /chanserv identify secret
[02:57] <Hobbsee> killall knotify
[02:57] <Hobbsee> in a terminal
[02:57] <Hobbsee> go quick before you get too many of them
[02:57] <raphink> it's not knotify
[02:57] <apokryphos> heh
[02:58] <Hobbsee> raphink: then kill random things till you find it, that was what i was told lol
[02:58] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: any suggestions for mplayer ? 
[02:58] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: as in?
[02:58] <helpme2> which is faster: kubuntu or ubuntu? in bootup and in general?
[02:58] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: qt vs. gtk
[02:58] <Hobbsee> raphink: once you fix that, does your akregator crash on you when you try and configure it, and then every subsequent time?
[02:58] <da_bon_bon> helpme2: bootup : same. general : ubuntu.
[02:58] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: Qt is of course better than GTK :P
[02:58] <ndazza> helpme2: they are based on the same packages, so except for the gui there will be no differences
[02:59] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: of course lol
[02:59] <apokryphos> though for players if they're good I don't care much for them -- they all do the job well
[02:59] <apokryphos> xine is ugly, but when I watch a film I don't look at it so its lack of aesthetic appeal doesn't bother me much
[02:59] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: err.. qt alternative for gtk ..  (1) mplayer
[02:59] <apokryphos> I know
[02:59] <da_bon_bon> (2) gimp
[02:59] <da_bon_bon> sugegst alternative qt software, apokryphos 
[02:59] <apokryphos> though kmplayer and kplayer allegedly work ok
[02:59] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: kaffeine
[03:00] <da_bon_bon> ok.
[03:00] <da_bon_bon> gimp ?
[03:00] <helpme2> kmplayer & kplayer are awful....give u greenish picture..kaff is best
[03:00] <apokryphos> Krita exists, but is more primitive than GIMP
[03:00] <apokryphos> (despite being in development for a few years)
[03:00] <raphink> pfiew
[03:00] <ndazza> da_bon_bon: (1) kaffeine, kvideo, noatun, (2) there isn't really one, tho there's one under way
[03:00] <raphink> done desactivating arts
[03:00] <Hobbsee> raphink: what'd you have to kill?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> nice
[03:00] <apokryphos> !players
[03:00] <ubotu> well, players is Audio/MP3 Players: amaroK, Beep-media-player, JuK, Rhythmbox, XMMS ; Video players: Totem, Xine, Mplayer, VLC
[03:00] <da_bon_bon> ndazza: which one is under way ?
[03:00] <raphink> Hobbsee: I just killed artsd as many times as required
[03:00] <apokryphos> ndazza: there is -- krita
[03:01] <ndazza> da_bon_bon: don't remember the name sorry :) it's on kdeapps.org though i think, if ur really keen
[03:01] <raphink> then turned the service off
[03:01] <Hobbsee> lol...i tried that first, didnt work here
[03:01] <Hobbsee> does your akregator work?
[03:01] <raphink> well Hobbsee the thing is that kde 3.5 beta is not yet released 
[03:01] <ndazza> apokryphos: that might have been the one i read about yea
[03:01] <Hobbsee> especially when you try and configure it?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> true
[03:01] <raphink> so it's quite normal that it doens't- work well
[03:01] <raphink> wait I'll try
[03:01] <Hobbsee> lol...i got  used to it working beautifully after beta1
[03:02] <apokryphos> ndazza: it's in the repos
[03:02] <da_bon_bon> ndazza: krita ?
[03:02] <raphink> korganizer crashed
[03:02] <raphink> without doing anything but opening kontact
[03:02] <Hobbsee> ah yes, fun
[03:02] <ndazza> da_bon_bon: hold up i'll install it and see if that's the one i was thinking of
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: where are we supposed to file all these bug reports too?
[03:02] <raphink> kontact crashed by clicking on akregator
[03:02] <raphink> well it's just not usable
[03:02] <raphink> lol
[03:02] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:02] <Hobbsee> clearly
[03:02] <raphink> for fun maybe
[03:02] <raphink> but nothing else
[03:03] <raphink> + it removed by nice kdm theme :(
[03:03] <raphink> lol
[03:03] <da_bon_bon> ndazza: luck fast net user :(
[03:03] <ndazza> da_bon_bon: even better, local repo ;)
[03:03] <Hobbsee> raphink: odd how it went to so unstable, even for a beta...
[03:03] <raphink> at least kmail seems to work
[03:03] <raphink> yes
[03:03] <raphink> and beta2
[03:03] <raphink> while beta1 is qutie stable
[03:03] <da_bon_bon> ndazza: u cache ubutnu;s ftp ?
[03:04] <raphink> beta2 should be even more
[03:04] <Hobbsee> yeah!
[03:04] <ndazza> da_bon_bon, apokryphos yep krita's the one i read about
[03:04] <ndazza> da_bon_bon: yes
[03:04] <raphink> I guess I'd have to deinstall everything if I want to get back to beta1
[03:04] <raphink> ;)
[03:04] <Hobbsee> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89950
[03:04] <ndazza> da_bon_bon: tho i won't be for much longer, i only fetched it for software freedom day and it's a pain in the butt to keep up to date
[03:05] <Hobbsee> well, we're certainly not alone with the artsd dying on us
[03:05] <da_bon_bon> ndazza: have you kde35b2 ?
[03:05] <Hobbsee> raphink: i hope not!
[03:05] <ndazza> da_bon_bon: nope i only have the official repos locally
[03:05] <Hobbsee> raphink: is it possible to just change the repositories to what they were before, and go from there?
[03:05] <raphink> nope Hobbsee 
[03:05] <raphink> apt-get upgrade only UPgrades
[03:05] <Hobbsee> *cries*
[03:05] <raphink> I don't think there's a way
[03:05] <raphink> I did it not long ago
[03:05] <Hobbsee> ah well, removing kde then, and then changing the sources list?
[03:05] <raphink> downgrading
[03:05] <ndazza> da_bon_bon: that alone is 80GiB which is more than enough hehe
[03:06] <raphink> by removing essential librairies in kde
[03:06] <raphink> forcing to remove them
[03:06] <da_bon_bon> ndazza: why did you get them, anyway ?
[03:06] <raphink> and removing the repos
[03:06] <raphink> and apt-get -f install
[03:06] <raphink> something like
[03:06] <Hobbsee> but how would you remove the repos?
[03:06] <raphink> dpkg -r --force-all kdelibs4
[03:06] <ndazza> da_bon_bon: for software freedom day. we held an installfest and wanted an up to date local repo to update/install extra software from 
[03:06] <raphink> then
[03:06] <raphink> remove the repos from sources.lsit
[03:06] <raphink> sources.list
[03:06] <da_bon_bon> ndazza: oh, ok.
[03:06] <raphink> and then apt-get -f install
[03:07] <raphink> I'zll try it 
[03:07] <raphink> before I tell you bad things ;)
[03:07] <Hobbsee> ok lol
[03:07] <ndazza> da_bon_bon: took me over a week to download, about 7-14Gig a day
[03:07] <Hobbsee> i'd hate to have to use vi or something to change it...
[03:07] <da_bon_bon> ndazza: wow! imagine that on a 27kbps :)
[03:07] <helpme2> anyone tried prelinking here? is it worth it?
[03:07] <ndazza> Hobbsee: nano is easy to use on command line
[03:08] <ndazza> da_bon_bon: i worked out it would take over 8hours to leech on 10Meg ethernet :D
[03:08] <raphink> Hobbsee: pv
[03:08] <ndazza> helpme2: yes i've tried it. i don't bother because speed isn't that important to me but it's low risk and it works
[03:09] <da_bon_bon> great, md
[03:09] <helpme2> ndazza: do gnome apps also load faster with it?
[03:09] <da_bon_bon> *ndazza
[03:09] <MenZa> hi
[03:09] <tklauser> Hi
[03:09] <MenZa> I'm having problems installing
[03:09] <MenZa> The basic stuff, the kernel etc. is installed
[03:09] <ndazza> helpme2: everything will be a little faster yes
[03:09] <MenZa> But the additional packages won't install
[03:09] <MenZa> So I click "Continue"
[03:10] <MenZa> It reboots
[03:10] <helpme2> ndazza: and it has no side effects i hope:)
[03:10] <MenZa> I put in the CD and it gives starts going "Download package xxx out of yyy"
[03:10] <MenZa> But then I get loads of errors
[03:10] <MenZa> Is there a problem with my CD?
[03:10] <ndazza> helpme2: i've never heard of a problem with it. many of my friends have prelink as a daily cron job so they odn't have to remember to run it after an update :)
[03:11] <ndazza> oh... i haven't updated to the final breezy release...
[03:11] <helpme2> ndazza: i see...thanks
[03:11] <ndazza> helpme2: no probs
[03:12] <MenZa> So, anyone?
[03:12] <MenZa> I'm pretty annoyed about this problem :\
[03:12] <raphink> hehe
[03:12] <raphink> stupid me
[03:12] <raphink> lol
[03:12] <Hobbsee> raphink: what'd you do lol?
[03:12] <Hobbsee> try and do it from within kde?
[03:13] <raphink> I was removing packages
[03:13] <Hobbsee> MenZa: pastebin the errors
[03:13] <raphink> so I killed kdm
[03:13] <helpme2> why kubuntuforums.net is so outdated and quiet??
[03:13] <raphink> lol
[03:13] <raphink> I'm installing kde again
[03:13] <Hobbsee> helpme2: everyone's on ubuntuforums.org
[03:13] <raphink> beta1
[03:13] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:13] <raphink> but I'm on irssi now
[03:13] <Hobbsee> can you force reinstall it, from that repository?
[03:13] <raphink> in the meanwhile
[03:13] <MenZa> I'm having problems installing... The basic stuff, the kernel etc. is installed, But the additional packages won't install, So I click "Continue". It reboots. I put in the CD and it starts going. But then I get loads of errors, do I have a cd problem?
[03:13] <raphink> I don't force
[03:13] <helpme2> Hobbsee: ya right......ubuntuforums is more updated as well
[03:13] <raphink> I removed the beta2repos
[03:13] <raphink> so apt-get install kde
[03:13] <raphink> only installs beta1
[03:13] <raphink> which is left
[03:13] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[03:14] <Hobbsee> is it kde or kubuntu-desktop?
[03:14] <raphink> kubuntu-desktop doesn't work
[03:14] <MenZa> Noone able to help :'(?
[03:14] <raphink> because k3b doesn't install on beta1
[03:15] <raphink> but wella ctually
[03:15] <raphink> kde doesn't work either
[03:15] <raphink> because there's still this conflict with kttsd
[03:15] <ndazza> MenZa: if you think it is the cd, try ripping the ISO back to the hard drive and checking the md5sum, it should match...
[03:15] <MenZa> ndazza: I'm currently redownloading
[03:16] <ndazza> MenZa: do you still have the old image? checking the md5sum could save you some time :)
[03:16] <raphink> so that you have to run
[03:16] <raphink> sudo apt-get install kde
[03:16] <MenZa> Nope, don't
[03:16] <raphink> but then it crashes
[03:16] <raphink> so you run
[03:16] <MenZa> I formatted D:
[03:16] <raphink> sudo dpkg -r --force-all kde
[03:16] <raphink> and
[03:16] <raphink> sudo dpkg -r --force-all kdeaccessibilty
[03:16] <ndazza> MenZa: heh bugger
[03:16] <raphink> and then sudo apt-get -f install
[03:16] <raphink> and that's it :)
[03:16] <raphink> lol
[03:16] <Hobbsee> raphink: gosh...
[03:17] <Hobbsee> sounds like it'd be easier just to install off cd again
[03:17] <raphink> Hobbsee: lol
[03:17] <raphink> you wanted beta? you got beta ;)
[03:17] <ndazza> sounds more like alpha to me :)
[03:17] <Hobbsee> yeah, very much like alpha
[03:17] <Hobbsee> i'm asked to update the wiki page with the problems...
[03:17] <raphink> then 
[03:18] <raphink> sudo kdm
[03:18] <raphink> and here I am :)
[03:18] <raphink> then you've got lots to do Hobbsee :)
[03:18] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:18] <tklauser> I just installed Kubuntu 5.10. Now I want to start adept from the KDE menu, but it always gives me an error saying "Incorrect password".
[03:19] <rraphink> oooh I lost baghira
[03:19] <tklauser> I tried both the root and my user password.
[03:19] <rraphink> it's your user pass
[03:19] <tklauser> sudo adept in konsole doesn't help either.
[03:19] <rraphink> since it's using kdesu which is a sudo
[03:19] <tklauser> It says, my user is not in the sudoers file.
[03:20] <apokryphos> you shouldn't really use sudo {guiapp} ever
[03:20] <chimaera> anyone using amarok? i get a cpu usage of 100% when the 'current' tab is enabled. can anyone confirm this?
[03:20] <rraphink> oh right
[03:20] <rraphink> then add it
[03:20] <rraphink> ;)
[03:20] <apokryphos> but it doesn't particularly matter for adept
[03:20] <rraphink> hehe
[03:20] <rraphink> tklauser: in root, type 
[03:20] <rraphink> nano /etc/sudoers
[03:20] <rraphink> and add your name after root
[03:20] <rraphink> with the same options
[03:20] <rraphink> ALL=(ALL) ALL
[03:20] <rraphink> you'll be sudoers when you login again
[03:21] <tklauser> rraphink: Shouldn't that have been there by default?
[03:21] <rraphink> yes it does apokryphos 
[03:21] <ndazza> chimaera: i was having some problems with amarok earlier in the month, try closing/killing restarting, and upgrading
[03:21] <rraphink> since adept starts by using kdesu
[03:21] <rraphink> which is a sudy
[03:21] <rraphink> sudo
[03:21] <apokryphos> rraphink: yes it does what?
[03:21] <chimaera> ndazza: what kind of problems? 
[03:21] <rraphink> tklauser: for the default useer yes
[03:21] <rraphink> unless you installed in expert mode and then no
[03:21] <apokryphos> rraphink: perhaps you missed my post before that?
[03:21] <ndazza> chimaera: 100% cpu, massive ram usage, refused to play songs. this is after hours to days of playing though
[03:22] <rraphink> what do you mean apokryphos ?
[03:22] <rraphink> I mean
[03:22] <ndazza> chimaera: ohhh i just remembered something the guys in #amarok told me to fix it. one sec...
[03:22] <apokryphos> rraphink: before that I said [14:19:58]  <apokryphos> you shouldn't really use sudo {guiapp} ever
[03:22] <rraphink> to start adept you don't need to TYPE sudo
[03:22] <rraphink> but you need to be a sudoer
[03:22] <da_bon_bon> cya all guys ..
[03:22] <apokryphos> of course
[03:22] <rraphink> cya da_bon_bon 
[03:22] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: thanks for the "the light" :)
[03:22] <da_bon_bon> cya, rraphink 
[03:22] <apokryphos> ;-)
[03:22] <rraphink> apokryphos: well it seems tklauser is not a sudoer on his system
[03:22] <rraphink> ttaht's it
[03:22] <ndazza> chimaera: settings->configure->last.fm->uncheck everything
[03:22] <da_bon_bon> :D
[03:22] <apokryphos> rraphink: yup...
[03:22] <tklauser> rraphink: Ah, that's it. I installed in expert mode. Thanks for help. It works now with the entry in /etc/sudoers
[03:23] <rraphink> I'll brb
[03:23] <chimaera> ndazza: heh, unchecking 'get similar artists' did the trick. thanks. 
[03:23] <ndazza> chimaera: i knew it was one of those :) hopefully it will be fixed in the next release
[03:24] <apokryphos> 3ddesktop is quite fun -- everyone should install it.. now :P
[03:24] <chimaera> ndazza: i just enter my freefm account, wonder if it happens them too..
[03:24] <ndazza> apokryphos: do you need 3d? cos if u do that counts me out :)
[03:24] <apokryphos> nope
[03:24] <ndazza> chimaera: no idea, i don't have an account. that might fix it
[03:24] <apokryphos> ndazza: sudo sudo aptitude install 3ddesktop
[03:25] <ndazza> apokryphos: in the middle of 300meg dist-upgrade :) it will have to wait
[03:25] <apokryphos> ndazza: then type 3ddesk in a term
[03:25] <apokryphos> sure
[03:26] <MenZa> ubotu tell MenZa about kde
[03:26] <chimaera> ndazza: jep, that's it. i entered my account-data, ticked 'retrieve..) again and cpu usage remains down..
[03:26] <ndazza> chimaera: alright! i'll have to sign up then i guess :)
[03:26] <chimaera> ndazza: always more music to discover ;)
[03:27] <chimaera> ndazza: look for freeform, that's me.
[03:27] <ndazza> apokryphos: 3ddeskd: glXIsDirect failed, no Direct Rendering possible! <-- need 3d, it's not gonna happen
[03:27] <ndazza> chimaera: i will probably be ndazza :)
[03:27] <apokryphos> ar, perhaps it does then
[03:28] <rraphink> Hobbsee: ok well it doesn't work well what I did
[03:28] <rraphink> lol
[03:28] <Hobbsee> :( oh dear
[03:28] <rraphink> what you can do to remove it is to use synaptic for example
[03:28] <Hobbsee> still writing bits up in the wiki
[03:28] <rraphink> search for packages with version 3.4.92
[03:28] <Hobbsee> yeah, but how, you'd be removing it while using kde?
[03:28] <rraphink> and remove all
[03:28] <rraphink> that's ok
[03:28] <rraphink> you can remove packages while using the apps
[03:28] <ndazza> apokryphos: i have a busted up ATI card that only works with the radeon drivers
[03:28] <rraphink> then you quite kde
[03:28] <apokryphos> ATI sucks :P
[03:29] <rraphink> quit
[03:29] <rraphink> and apt-get clean
[03:29] <rraphink> to remove all packages from cache
[03:29] <rraphink> otherwise it might reinstall the same ones
[03:29] <Hobbsee> true
[03:29] <ndazza> i know, i was always an nvidia fan until their cards kept breaking on me. even so i'll probably still buy another one next
[03:30] <ndazza> i have 3 nvidia cards here that freeze my system whenever 3d stuff touches them
[03:30] <ndazza> and even when there's no 3d stuff, though nowhere near as frequently
[03:30] <rraphink> begin with checking kdelibs4c2
[03:30] <rraphink> it will check most other pakcages
[03:30] <ndazza> they're roughly stable using the vesa driver...
[03:30] <ndazza> for a day or two...
[03:31] <Hobbsee> ah...
[03:31] <Hobbsee> nice
[03:31] <Hobbsee> gstreamer engine works, even though arts is screwed up...
[03:31] <rraphink> lol
[03:31] <rraphink> I'm going to remove it though ;)
[03:32] <rraphink> I want a usable system
[03:32] <Hobbsee> lol..why?
[03:32] <rraphink> hehe
[03:33] <rraphink> I use it for my work :p
[03:33] <rraphink> taht's a reason good enough
[03:33] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:33] <Hobbsee> then you need to do some "technical support" which will stop you from doing other work :P
[03:33] <rraphink> ok removed all packages
[03:33] <rraphink> lol
[03:34] <Hobbsee> which were you having trouble with?
[03:34] <ndazza> anyone played with linux-vservers under ubuntu?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> or will you add it to the wiki yourself?
[03:34] <rraphink> interesting enough
[03:34] <rraphink> amarok won't install now
[03:34] <rraphink> lol
[03:35] <Hobbsee> ugh...again?
[03:35] <rraphink> lol
[03:35] <rraphink> heh it's a bit screwed somehow now
[03:35] <rraphink> lol
[03:35] <Hobbsee> that's what would always happen to me with trying to install kubuntu-desktop in hoary ubuntu
[03:35] <Hobbsee> yeah, odd that
[03:35] <rraphink> yes
[03:35] <rraphink> k3b and amarok won't install
[03:35] <rraphink> but that's ok
[03:36] <apokryphos> raphink: what's the error?
[03:36] <rraphink> kdelibs4 required ;)
[03:36] <apokryphos> so?
[03:36] <rraphink> kde 3.5 uses kdelibs4c2 instead
[03:37] <rraphink> doesn't matter much
[03:37] <rraphink> I'll find a way ;)
[03:37] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:37] <apokryphos> you're saying installing amarok/k3b from apt gives you failed depends?
[03:37] <ndazza> rraphink: maybe compiling from source will help...
[03:37] <rraphink> there's easier
[03:37] <rraphink> yes apokryphos with kde 3.5 beta1
[03:37] <apokryphos> that shouldn't be the case
[03:38] <rraphink> well it is
[03:38] <MenZa> What version of kde does breezy come with?
[03:38] <rraphink> and has been for quite a time
[03:38] <Hobbsee> 3.4.3
[03:38] <MenZa> k
[03:38] <rraphink> MenZa: 3.4.3
[03:38] <apokryphos> rraphink: errors on the upgrade to it?
[03:38] <rraphink> ;)
[03:38] <rraphink> on the upgrades I get that amarok and k3b are kept and not upgraded
[03:38] <apokryphos> yes, that's true
[03:38] <treefrog> Ok thats it.. My head is going to explode.. SKYPE in Kubuntu.. anyone have it working ??
[03:38] <rraphink> which means there's a pb with these packages
[03:38] <apokryphos> they're both not part of kde per se
[03:38] <rraphink> if you try to force the upgrade
[03:38] <apokryphos> (they're in KDE extragear)
[03:38] <rraphink> sudo apt-get install k3b
[03:39] <rraphink> you'll get a conflict
[03:39] <apokryphos> then you messed up your system earlier somehow
[03:39] <rraphink> maybe
[03:39] <apokryphos> though beta1 has some known issues
[03:39] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: you think lol?
[03:39] <rraphink> lol
[03:39] <Hobbsee> to the messing up system?
[03:39] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: as in, the problem is not down to the repos/packages
[03:39] <apokryphos> which are perfectly compatible
[03:39] <rraphink> me ?messing my system?
[03:39] <rraphink> haha
[03:39] <Hobbsee> ah, right, yes
[03:40] <ndazza> treefrog: friends of mine do
[03:40] <treefrog> ya
[03:40] <treefrog> breezy
[03:40] <Hobbsee> sorry, you're just making me laugh while i'm slightly frustrated
[03:40] <rraphink> I just installed ubuntu with a debian sid /home, then installed kubunt-desktop on top of it, upgraded to kde 3.5 beta 1...
[03:40] <rraphink> nothing that could screw up my base
[03:40] <rraphink> lol
[03:41] <apokryphos> haha, sure
[03:41] <treefrog> perhaps it would help if I had some more repos setup .. is there a list of the ones I should change?? like in teh ubuntuuserguide.org
[03:41] <Tm_T> ;)
[03:41] <treefrog> cool thanks
[03:42] <rraphink> treefrog: don't do that
[03:42] <rraphink> you'll regret it
[03:42] <rraphink> very much
[03:42] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: lol
[03:42] <rraphink> Tm_T: it's not nice to do such things to noobs :p
[03:42] <apokryphos> treefrog: what are you trying to do?
[03:42] <apokryphos> rraphink: it works reasonably well
[03:43] <treefrog> I'm trying to set up soem basic stuff like Skype and Amarok and such
[03:43] <rraphink> no it doesn't
[03:43] <ndazza> apokryphos: he was trying to get skype into kubuntu i think
[03:43] <apokryphos> treefrog: ok, go for it then
[03:43] <apokryphos> rraphink: yes it does
[03:43] <rraphink> when I start kde for the first time and get a lot of errors without touching anything
[03:43] <rraphink> then it doesn't work well
[03:43] <apokryphos> !tell treefrog about skype
[03:43] <rraphink> what are you talking about apokryphos ?
[03:43] <treefrog> ?! lol
[03:43] <rraphink> you're talking about skype or beta2?
[03:43] <Tm_T> rraphink: ?
[03:43] <apokryphos> rraphink: again, why you think you're somehow represenative of everyone is erm, weird. Didn't you say you installed from sid or something?
[03:44] <apokryphos> and that's really recommended
[03:44] <apokryphos> rraphink: beta2
[03:44] <rraphink> well beta1 works fine for me
[03:44] <rraphink> there's no reason if beta1 works fine for me
[03:44] <rraphink> that beta2 doesn't
[03:44] <rraphink> still it doesn't
[03:44] <rraphink> and it doesn't for Hobbsee either
[03:44] <treefrog> ok I'm a bit new to all this.. hae an idea but generally NEW. I got the latest breezy iso and set it up
[03:44] <rraphink> who didn't install from debian
[03:45] <apokryphos> rraphink: worked fien for me and others
[03:45] <rraphink> good for you :)
[03:45] <apokryphos> rraphink: your point is kind of moot if you admit to mixing with debian
[03:45] <Tm_T> beta2 here is really fine
[03:45] <rraphink> I didn't mix my / with a debian /
[03:45] <rraphink> I only used my /home
[03:45] <Hobbsee> beta2 here is screwed with alsa
[03:45] <sekundek> hi! I want to know if it's possible to somehow clean kubuntu to be like after fresh install
[03:45] <Hobbsee> *with artsd
[03:45] <ndazza> rraphink: easy way to see - create a new user account and see if it works
[03:46] <sekundek> ?
[03:46] <apokryphos> artsd does have *some* known problems for people, granted.
[03:46] <rraphink> sekundek: try dpkg-reconfigure kubuntu-desktop maybe
[03:46] <sekundek> I need to downgrade kde from 3.5 beta because I have some problems
[03:47] <apokryphos> sekundek: remove 3.5 then and then install 3.4.3
[03:47] <rraphink> good luck sekundek 
[03:47] <Plume> hi how to change dvd language in kaffeine when there is no menu on the dvd ?
[03:47] <sekundek> hm ;) you want to say that this is not easy to do
[03:48] <apokryphos> sekundek: sudo apt-get remove kdelibs-data; then edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the 3.5 repository. Then: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[03:48] <apokryphos> sekundek: pretty easy
[03:48] <rraphink> sudo apt-get cleran
[03:48] <rraphink> clean
[03:48] <rraphink> before the update
[03:49] <rraphink> otherwise it might keep some packages in cache and reinstall them
[03:49] <ndazza> Plume: i don't remember for sure but look in the right-click context menu
[03:49] <apokryphos> nope, it wouldn't
[03:49] <rraphink> ok I'll say nothing then
[03:49] <rraphink> expect that it just did
[03:49] <rraphink> with me, 10 minutes ago
[03:50] <rraphink> while I had remove the sources from my sources.list
[03:50] <rraphink> but not clean the db
[03:50] <_robert> is the locking of the screensaver brocken in 5.10? as I can't unlock it but login in via console works
[03:50] <Plume> right klick doesnt work
[03:50] <ndazza> Plume: then i have no idea sorry :) try using xine, there's a context menu for changing languages in that
[03:51] <_michel> ltsp with kubuntu client start but moduels dependencies FATAL could not open /lib/modules/2.6... readonly  any idea?
[03:51] <sekundek> apokryphos: I'll try
[03:51] <sekundek> maybe i have luck and it actually work
[03:54] <treefrog> Anyone have any experence with Automatix?? it seems to be able to set up the things I want .. well most.. but I'm getting odd errors
[03:54] <rraphink> what errors?
[03:55] <_michel> kubuntu ltsp install: i have login on console (no X) 
[03:55] <treefrog> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[03:55] <treefrog> Xlib: No protocol specified
[03:55] <treefrog> This option is not available. Please see --help for all possible usages.
[03:55] <treefrog> root@ubuntu:/usr/local/automatix #
[03:55] <Hobbsee> ah well...off to reinstall...
[03:56] <rraphink> what did you run treefrog ?
[03:56] <_robert> is there a fix/workaround for the screen lock bug?
[03:56] <treefrog> as in the end of this page http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66563&page=28&highlight=skype
[03:57] <treefrog> sorry I'm not being very clear
[03:57] <rraphink> yeah not really
[03:57] <rraphink> ;)
[03:57] <rraphink> brb
[03:57] <treefrog> I set up automatix 
[03:58] <treefrog> and it gave me an error about admin password
[03:58] <treefrog> so I went and set it in the users interface
[03:58] <treefrog> then it kept giving me the same error
[03:59] <treefrog> so I read and then ran a suggestion from teh end of the thread.
[03:59] <treefrog> sudo su
[03:59] <treefrog>  then goto /usr/local/automatic and run ./autoscript
[04:00] <treefrog> now I still get the password error.. and the ./autoscript comand is giving me more problems.. 
[04:00] <treefrog> humm
[04:00] <rraphink> is there a netinstall for kubuntu?
[04:00] <rraphink> hmm
[04:00] <rraphink> does Automatix show in your menu?
[04:01] <treefrog> no
[04:01] <rraphink> :(
[04:01] <treefrog> just the q about the admin password
[04:01] <treefrog> oh hang on yes
[04:01] <rraphink> ;)
[04:01] <treefrog> I'm silly .. did not understand the simple q
[04:01] <rraphink> hehe
[04:02] <treefrog> ya I have the applicatin listed in system
[04:02] <rraphink> then launch it
[04:02] <treefrog> it starts to run and then 
[04:02] <treefrog> just a sec
[04:04] <dipnlik> Hi all. Don know exactly when (maybe when upgrading to breezy?) I lost the base-config program. Now I need to configure my keyboard on console / ther window managers. any ideas?
[04:05] <treefrog> Ok it is " if thei sis the first time you have run automatix and you have not set your password pleas hit ok and set it in the terminal that followes" cancel and OK
[04:05] <rraphink> I would do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:06] <rraphink> well then click ok treefrog 
[04:06] <rraphink> I would do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg dipnlik 
[04:07] <treefrog> did that. but nothng hapens.. like the window closes but then nothng? Ok I'll keep hitting it from other angles.. 
[04:07] <rraphink> :(
[04:07] <rraphink> lol
[04:07] <treefrog> Laters
[04:07] <rraphink> bye
[04:07] <rraphink> good luck
[04:07] <treefrog> keep smiling :-)
[04:07] <rraphink> :)
[04:07] <rraphink> I'm going to make a fresh install of kubunt
[04:08] <rraphink> to see if it solves problems ;)
[04:08] <treefrog> ya I might do the same but my one is only up 6hours
[04:08] <treefrog> lol
[04:08] <rraphink> lol
[04:08] <bengross> good morning
[04:09] <rraphink> mine has been up for a few weeks but I've been quite unice with it
[04:09] <rraphink> hi bengross 
[04:09] <bengross> how are you?
[04:09] <rraphink> fine thanks bengross 
[04:09] <rraphink> how about you?
[04:10] <bengross> i have all these module dependancies
[04:10] <bengross> i cant install programs without all these libraries
[04:10] <rraphink> what do you mean bengross ?
[04:10] <rraphink> what do you want to install and what is teh problem?
[04:10] <bengross> i try to install synaptic and it says i dont have libc6..libgcc1...libid3tag0...
[04:11] <MenZa> Okay, time to test kubuntu again. Wish me luck.
[04:11] <rraphink> doesn't it say it will install it?
[04:11] <bengross> good luck
[04:11] <MenZa> ta
[04:11] <bengross> no it doesnt
[04:11] <rraphink> what do you try to install it with?
[04:11] <bengross> ok i just said apt-get install -f
[04:11] <rraphink> from console?
[04:11] <bengross> now it is doing something
[04:11] <rraphink> ok
[04:11] <dipnlik> rraphink: in kde the keyboard workes almost perfectly
[04:12] <rraphink> dipnlik: but?
[04:12] <bengross> im having problems with my sound also
[04:12] <bengross> each time i boot its different, sometimes sound loads, sometimes not
[04:12] <dipnlik> rraphink: i want it to work on other window managers and terminal emulators
[04:12] <rraphink> :s
[04:13] <rraphink> that could be nice indeed dipnlik 
[04:13] <rraphink> what do you get on other wms?
[04:13] <bengross> cannot find alsaconf
[04:14] <bengross> now its giving me synaptic yay!
[04:14] <dipnlik> rraphink: mangled keyboard layouts
[04:14] <rraphink> is alsa-base installed bengross ?
[04:14] <rraphink> mangled?
[04:14] <rraphink> what do you mean?
[04:14] <bengross> i dont know how
[04:14] <bengross> yes it is
[04:15] <dipnlik> rraphink: i think I get the one configured using dpkg-reconfigure console-data
[04:15] <martinjh99> Does anyone know if the recent kubuntu-desktop update fixes the locked screen bug?
[04:15] <bengross> i have it already
[04:15] <bengross> couldnt find package alsa mixer
[04:15] <rraphink> :(
[04:15] <dipnlik> rraphink: but there I can't configure my keyboard layout precisely, it looks like I don't have the needed keymap
[04:15] <dipnlik> rraphink: and I don't know how to obtain it
[04:16] <bengross> root@ubuntu:/home/bengross # synaptic
[04:16] <bengross> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[04:16] <bengross> Xlib: No protocol specified
[04:16] <rraphink> hmmm
[04:16] <rraphink> sure bengross root is not allowed to launch gui programs by default
[04:16] <rraphink> you should run synaptic from the kde menu for example
[04:16] <rraphink> dipnlik: still it works fine in dipnlik you say
[04:17] <rraphink> sorry
[04:17] <martinjh99> or type "kdesu synaptic" and enter your password...
[04:17] <rraphink> I mean in kde
[04:17] <bengross> that worked
[04:17] <bengross> thanks
[04:18] <gibarian> uh, since the whole media thing is still borked, can anyone tell me the correct fs type for a flash memorycard? My kubuntu doesn't like vfat
[04:19] <dipnlik> rraphink: works fine in kde related apps
[04:19] <martinjh99> Depends on what it is...  My camera for eg is fat I think...  Try either vfat or fat
[04:26] <bengross> how do i know which packages to install on i386???
[04:26] <dipnlik> bengross: packages for what?
[04:26] <apokryphos> bengross: if you're installing from apt/adept, it'll be automatically resolved
[04:27] <apokryphos> i.e. it won't install non-i386 packs
[04:28] <bengross> Package audacity has no available version, but exists in the database.
[04:28] <bengross> This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents of sources.list
[04:28] <bengross> when i try to install audacity it says
[04:29] <MenZa`> hey
[04:30] <MenZa`> okay, here's a very n00b question
[04:30] <MenZa`> I installed kubuntu
[04:30] <MenZa`> It let's me enter a dos-like system, like a terminal
[04:30] <MenZa`> I log in
[04:30] <el-stupido> ok.. desperately need help installing UT on kubuntu
[04:30] <MenZa`> how do I boot the GUI?
[04:30] <el-stupido> anyone?
[04:31] <bengross> whats wrong?
[04:31] <rennan> what's UT ? unreal tournament?
[04:31] <el-stupido> yeah
[04:31] <el-stupido> GOTY
[04:31] <el-stupido> i got the original GOTY 2 cd pack
[04:31] <apokryphos> MenZa`: startx or sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[04:31] <el-stupido> but its for windows
[04:31] <MenZa`> okay
[04:31] <el-stupido> can i d/l the linux version from somewhere?
[04:31] <motyR> MenZa`: sudo apt-get install kdm && kdm
[04:31] <MenZa`> will that do so that it runs every time?
[04:31] <Chousuke> MenZa`: it should start it automatically :/
[04:31] <bengross> what am i doing wrong?
[04:31] <MenZa`> lol 3 different responses
[04:31] <Chousuke> motyR: that wouldn't work
[04:31] <el-stupido> tho someone told me theres a linux install on there too
[04:31] <apokryphos> MenZa`: the latter, yes
[04:32] <el-stupido> guys
[04:32] <el-stupido> ?
[04:32] <el-stupido> anyone?
[04:32] <motyR> MenZa`: as root run kdm 
[04:32] <MenZa`> how do I run kdm?
[04:32] <MenZa`> just "run kdm"?
[04:32] <rraphink> no
[04:32] <rraphink> sudo kdm &
[04:32] <motyR> if no good give the output of startx
[04:32] <Chousuke> kdm should be run automatically on boot :/
[04:32] <el-stupido> *sniff* its the only thing pulling me back to Winblows
[04:33] <rraphink> yes Chousuke, except if it doesn't ;)
[04:33] <MenZa`> God damnit, I'm completely new to linux, and you're telling me to do stuff I don't know about. Okay, signing in as root.
[04:33] <el-stupido> lol
[04:33] <el-stupido> i know the feeling
[04:33] <el-stupido> newb here too
[04:33] <apokryphos> MenZa`: err, no
[04:33] <Chousuke> MenZa`: you can't login as root in Ubuntu per default
[04:33] <apokryphos> MenZa`: you shouldn't login to root
[04:33] <rraphink> el-stupido: I can't answer you, I don't play
[04:33] <el-stupido> you cant
[04:33] <motyR> MenZa`: what happens when u run the command startx?
[04:33] <el-stupido> anyone here EVER installed UT?
[04:33] <MenZa`> Sec
[04:33] <rennan> do you had seting your video card with all drivers? 
[04:33] <el-stupido> i tried a few forums they were no help
[04:34] <el-stupido> rennan: you asking me?
[04:34] <rennan> yeah
[04:34] <Chousuke> MenZa`: Something appears to have gone horribly wrong with your installation ;/
[04:34] <el-stupido> oh obviously not
[04:34] <bengross> how come i cannot install audacity?
[04:34] <el-stupido> oh okay
[04:34] <el-stupido> rennan:  no
[04:34] <el-stupido> rennan: how do i do that??
[04:34] <Chousuke> bengross: wild guess: no universe repos?
[04:34] <MenZa`> whats the starx command again :D+
[04:34] <rennan> what's your video card, nvidia or ati?
[04:34] <bengross> how do i get thosee?
[04:34] <motyR> startx
[04:34] <Chousuke> MenZa`: sudo startx 
[04:34] <Chousuke> wait hmm
[04:34] <MenZa`> k sec
[04:34] <Chousuke> right.
[04:34] <el-stupido> nvidia
[04:35] <rraphink> no need for sudo for startx Chousuke 
[04:35] <rraphink> not even suitable to run startx as sudo
[04:35] <Chousuke> yeah
[04:35] <MenZa`> Asks for pword?
[04:35] <Chousuke> your own
[04:35] <el-stupido> GF FX 5200
[04:35] <rennan> el stupido: do you know use console?
[04:35] <el-stupido> a lil bit rennan 
[04:35] <MenZa`> Oh wait
[04:35] <MenZa`> I just did "sudo startx"
[04:35] <MenZa`> "Command not found"
[04:36] <rraphink> ...
[04:36] <rennan> el stupido: ok, there is a command: lspci, 
[04:36] <rraphink> something went really really wrong in your install MenZa` 
[04:36] <MenZa`> rraphink: Sigh. I'm reinstalling then.
[04:36] <el-stupido> ok
[04:36] <rraphink> I think it's still the best thing you have to do
[04:36] <rraphink> if you don't even have sudo
[04:36] <el-stupido> its nVidia
[04:36] <rennan> el stupido: this command show you pci information about pci cards
[04:37] <motyR> MenZa`: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[04:37] <tenco> help! amarok doesnt play mp3s with the arts backend
[04:37] <el-stupido> yeah it showed up some text
[04:37] <el-stupido> rennan: it says its nVidia
[04:37] <rennan> el stupido: ok, its nvidia, then you need to install the drivers
[04:37] <bengross> how do i install universe servers
[04:37] <bengross> repos
[04:37] <Chousuke> !repositories 
[04:37] <ubotu> methinks sources is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[04:37] <Hobbsee> rraphink: reinstalled off cd
[04:37] <el-stupido> where can I get the drivers?
[04:38] <rennan> el stupido: enter to nvidia.com an download the drivers for your kernel
[04:38] <rraphink> Hobbsee: I had to compile k3b sinc eit wouldn't install
[04:38] <rraphink> and now I'm burning the install CD 
[04:38] <rraphink> ;)
[04:38] <rraphink> on a RW so it's taking time (4x)
[04:38] <gibarian> Uh, if mount says the memory card in my camera is not vfat, what other option do I have?
[04:38] <rennan> el stupido: this its a little complicate, but just a little, search in google for manual
[04:38] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:38] <el-stupido> okay
[04:38] <el-stupido> how do i know the kernel?
[04:38] <el-stupido> sorry for the stupid qsns
[04:38] <Hobbsee> rraphink: this worked really nicely...when you install off cd, hit ctrl alt f4 and you get lovely scrolling black text lol!
[04:39] <Hobbsee> rraphink: so glad they covered that with something else!
[04:39] <rraphink> yes I know that Hobbsee 
[04:39] <Hobbsee> might be one of the other terminals...
[04:39] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:39] <Hobbsee> i just discovered it
[04:39] <rraphink> hehe
[04:39] <rraphink> you have 4 terms when you install I think
[04:39] <Hobbsee> yeah
[04:39] <rraphink> so you can do basic things
[04:39] <el-stupido> rennan: am i looking for the graphics drivers?
[04:39] <Hobbsee> hehe...i was wondering how much i could do
[04:39] <Hobbsee> anywya, i'm going to bed...night all
[04:39] <rraphink> night
[04:39] <Hobbsee> didnt think i should start updating right during the install...
[04:40] <el-stupido> rennan: Graphics Drivers or Platform/nForce Drivers????
[04:41] <bengross> cool thanks
[04:41] <rennan> el stupid: ok, wait a second
[04:41] <el-stupido> hmm
[04:41] <el-stupido> ok
[04:42] <tenco> ok, solved it. libarts-mpeglib1
[04:42] <MenZa`> What filesystem should I use?
[04:42] <MenZa`> I chose ext3
[04:42] <rraphink> ext3 is good
[04:42] <MenZa`> ok
[04:42] <MenZa`> cool :)
[04:42] <rraphink> MenZa`: how come you have to choose that?
[04:42] <rraphink> what are you installing from?
[04:42] <Bulwinkle> Howdy all
[04:43] <rraphink> MenZa`: are you installing in expert mode?
[04:43] <Bulwinkle> Just installed 5.10 (was using 5.04 for a while before that) and I can't seem to log in to KDM, login from prompt is fine.  Any ideas?
[04:44] <rraphink> does kdm start Bulwinkle ?
[04:44] <Bulwinkle> yeppers...  deleted my home directory (mv'd it).  Created a new account, it can log in....  I'm stuck
[04:45] <rraphink> how did you create a new account?
[04:45] <icewt> !java
[04:45] <ubotu> it has been said that java is to install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadeb
[04:46] <Bulwinkle> adduser
[04:46] <rennan> el stupid: ok, graphics drivers of course
[04:46] <el-stupido> okay
[04:46] <Bulwinkle> rraphink: adduser
[04:47] <el-stupido> now.. what Kernel does the 5.1 version have?
[04:47] <rraphink> Bulwinkle: and you set a password and the home dir is created?
[04:47] <Bulwinkle> rraphink:  yessir
[04:47] <rennan> el stupido: where are you from?
[04:47] <puckman> Does anyone here know how to get flash working in the KDE browser
[04:47] <el-stupido> India
[04:47] <rraphink> Bulwinkle: and you tried to login using this user of course
[04:47] <el-stupido> sorry for the silly qsns.. i just installed linux for the first time today
[04:48] <rennan> el stupido: ok your nick its a spanish word?
[04:48] <el-stupido> nope man.. its an Indian name hehe
[04:48] <rraphink> hahaha
[04:48] <rraphink> lol
[04:48] <Bulwinkle> rraphink: yep.  had the damndest time getting a dualscreen working... now I can't log in with my account
[04:48] <el-stupido> http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html <---- i have an AMD 64 bit motherboard... which ones should I d/l?
[04:49] <Bulwinkle> rraphink: this is the user that I can't get to log in to KDM (my test was test123)
[04:49] <rraphink> el-stupido: linux IA64 I guess
[04:49] <el-stupido> theres three options for Linux
[04:49] <el-stupido> ok
[04:49] <Bulwinkle> rraphink: I even went as far as to delete the account and recreate it
[04:49] <rraphink> hmm
[04:49] <el-stupido> rennan:  lets hope its a good guess lol
[04:49] <rennan> el stupido: Linux AMD64/EM64T, what's your graphic card model?
[04:50] <rraphink> Bulwinkle: try finger with your user name
[04:50] <rraphink> tell me what you get
[04:50] <Bulwinkle> BRB
[04:50] <Pupeno> What package provides X11/bitmaps/gray ?
[04:50] <Floker> hey wazzzzzuuuup
[04:50] <el-stupido> GF FX5200
[04:50] <rennan> el stupid: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_1.0-7676.html
[04:51] <Bulwinkle> rraphink: lookin for anything particular, looks to be in order.  all of the info is there from the account creation.
[04:51] <el-stupido> rennan:  k
[04:51] <rraphink> hmm weird
[04:51] <rennan> el stupid: do yo have kubuntu, really?
[04:51] <Bulwinkle> tell me about it
[04:51] <el-stupido> yeah
[04:51] <el-stupido> lol
[04:51] <el-stupido> why?
[04:51] <rraphink> I have to go
[04:51] <rraphink> I'll bbl
[04:51] <Bulwinkle> kay
[04:52] <rraphink> bye
[04:52] <el-stupido> rennan: installed it this evening
[04:53] <el-stupido> rennan: i'l brb get me some smokes till it downloads
[04:54] <rennan> el stupid: ok, don't forget search the google for manual 
[04:55] <StR> hi all!
[04:55] <el-stupido> rennan:  back
[04:55] <el-stupido> rennan: manual for?
[04:56] <rennan> el stupid: manual for instalation of nvidia driver on kubuntu or debian
[04:56] <jjesse> here's a weird problem, i can open up konsole ssh to another kubuntu box and get connected and then if i open up another konsole session i can't ssh to the same kubuntu box
[04:58] <el-stupido> rennan: theres no man pages here?
[04:58] <Floker> are you using "konversation"?
[04:58] <Pupeno> How can I find out what package provides X11/bitmaps/gray ?
[04:58] <rennan> el stupid: yes, but in google exist a lot of people that tell his own experiencie
[04:59] <Floker> @kopete users: try to type /cmd man apt-get
[04:59] <Floker> i mean konversation not kopete
[04:59] <el-stupido> ahh.. ok.,. i think i found something rennan 
[05:00] <rennan> el stupido: ok, 
[05:01] <andreas_> yo guys
[05:01] <andreas_> kubuntu rocks today as well
[05:01] <Floker> WHAT IS THE CAPITAL OF THE UNITED ARAB EMIRATES?
[05:01] <Floker> abu dhabi
[05:01] <Floker> :)
[05:01] <bengross> hey can you save files easily on kubuntu pcc live is there a dvd version
[05:01] <el-stupido> rennan: how come i neithe have Synaptic or Kynaptic?
[05:02] <rennan> el stupid: i don't understand
[05:02] <el-stupido> rennan: I am looking at this link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[05:03] <el-stupido> rennan:  and its asking for something called Synaptic or Kynaptic and i cant find either
[05:04] <azertyuuu> hey all, i want to install Easy Kubuntu on Breezy Badger, but it says " Your repositories list must be modified before proceeding"   
[05:05] <_robert> workaround for the screensaver problem; chown root:root /sbin/unix_chkpwd; chmod 4755 /sbin/unix_chkpwd   --> the same as in 5.04 and it works again ;-)
[05:06] <el-stupido> rennan: how do i find out what kernel i am using?
[05:06] <rennan> el stupid: ok, try: apt-get install synaptic
[05:06] <rennan> el stupid: uname -a, this command tell you the kernel version
[05:06] <petros> hi!
[05:07] <Floker> HIIIII
[05:07] <Floker> oh 
[05:07] <Floker> hi
[05:07] <petros> is there any way to set the default performance level from userspace to performance?
[05:07] <el-stupido> rennan: 2.6.12-9-386
[05:07] <el-stupido> rennan: thats hoary or Breezy?
[05:07] <el-stupido> rennan: how do i find THAT out?
[05:08] <azertyuuu> hey all, i want to install Easy Kubuntu on Breezy Badger, but it says " Your repositories list must be modified before proceeding"   
[05:08] <buz> el-stupido: thats likely breezy
[05:08] <rennan> el stupid: that kernel its breezy
[05:08] <MenZa> OMG
[05:08] <MenZa> IT WORKS!
[05:08] <el-stupido> ok
[05:08] <MenZa> Awsome
[05:08] <MenZa> Now
[05:09] <MenZa> To get a new theme :D
[05:09] <azertyuuu> 2.6.12-9-686
[05:10] <MenZa> Can I just directly download styles from kde-look.org ?
[05:10] <MenZa> Or do I need anything?
[05:11] <el-stupido> rennan: Its asking me to install Kernel Headers if not installed.. how do I find out if they are?
[05:12] <el-stupido> rennan: also.. how do i uninstall nvidia-glx?
[05:12] <martinjh99> Are there packages for 3.5 Beta 2 yet..? ;)
[05:12] <MenZa> Wow
[05:12] <MenZa> Wait
[05:12] <MenZa> Hoooold up
[05:12] <Bulwinkle> Just installed 5.10 (was using 5.04 for a while before that) and I can't seem to log in to KDM, login from prompt is fine.  Any ideas?
[05:12] <MenZa> ...I think I installed Ubuntu
[05:12] <MenZa> O_
[05:12] <Pupeno> What do I need to install to get kmail to be able to sign and encrypt with gnupg ?
[05:12] <Bulwinkle> el-stupido: apt-get remove nvidia-glx
[05:13] <azertyuuu>  " Your repositories list must be modified before proceeding"   .....can anyone give me big repositories
[05:15] <el-stupido> Bulwinkle: Permission denied
[05:16] <el-stupido> think i should add sudo
[05:16] <el-stupido> ok done lol
[05:16] <el-stupido> thanx
[05:16] <el-stupido> i'm learning
[05:16] <el-stupido> lol woohoo
[05:16] <martinjh99> Are there packages for 3.5 Beta 2 yet..? ;)
[05:18] <el-stupido> what is gcc?
[05:18] <el-stupido> and how do i find what version is mine?
[05:18] <el-stupido> lol
[05:20] <Bulwinkle> sudo
[05:21] <azertyuuu> hey all i have a intel 2.4 Ghz cPU and i made a mistake, i wrote "apt-get install linux-686"  how can i change it 
[05:22] <el-stupido> grr i downloaded the wrong drivers
[05:23] <bengross> whats the name of a good download manager
[05:25] <bengross> i need a download manager
[05:26] <el-stupido> rennan: you still here?
[05:28] <el-stupido> :/
[05:29] <el-stupido> lol timed out
[05:30] <buz> konqueror in breezy seems somehow dumbed down
[05:30] <buz> how can i get all my old menu entries back?
[05:30] <Tm_T> http://kubuntu.org/faq.php
[05:31] <buz> LOL i should have guessed thats a faq ;)
[05:31] <el-stupido> how do i know exactly what drivers i need?
[05:31] <el-stupido> i seem to be downloading all the wrong ones
[05:31] <el-stupido> lol
[05:31] <buz> cp: cannot stat `/usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror-orig.rc': No such file or directory
[05:32] <buz> that must have died when i upgraded to kde 3.5...
[05:32] <buz> just removing the file did it ;)
[05:33] <dgvirtual> Hi, I have a big problem after upgrade to breezy: when the x tries to start, i get a black screen; I cannot switch to any of the virtual consoles - still see the black screen after pressing Ctrl+Alt+F1... and I get nothing from pressing Ctrl+Alt+Backspace, which should kill the X server. And, with Ubuntu Sudo changes, I cannot provide a valid root password when I run Kubuntu in recovery mode....
[05:35] <dgvirtual> Any ideas where to go from where I am?
[05:36] <dgvirtual> sorry, logged of unexpectedly
[05:36] <el-stupido> ok.. finally got the right driver.. but it gives me an error HELP
[05:36] <buz> thx, Tm_T 
[05:37] <el-stupido> ERROR : Unable to find the system utility 'ld'
[05:37] <el-stupido> whats that?
[05:38] <el-stupido> its asking me to check if i've installed binutils
[05:38] <el-stupido> how do i check that?
[05:39] <Tm_T> buz: np
[05:39] <raphink> you can do `sudo apt-get install binutils'
[05:39] <raphink> if it's installed it won't do anything
[05:39] <buz> personally i hate things that try to hide stuff from me
[05:39] <raphink> otherwise it will install it
[05:39] <buz> which is probably why i cant stand osx
[05:40] <el-stupido> ok
[05:40] <dgvirtual> hi, anyone had my exprience of being unable to get X running after upgrade to breezy?
[05:40] <Tm_T> dgvirtual: what startx returns?
[05:42] <dgvirtual> I can run no startx, for I cannot login
[05:42] <dgvirtual> I have X starting by default, and then I get a blank screen
[05:42] <raphink> you cannot login .... ?
[05:42] <dgvirtual> black screen
[05:43] <raphink> but you can login in console, right?
[05:43] <dgvirtual> no
[05:43] <dgvirtual> I Ctrl+Alt+F1 does not do anything
[05:43] <raphink> what if  you try ctrl+alt+backspace
[05:43] <raphink> ?
[05:43] <dgvirtual> no effect either
[05:43] <raphink> hmm
[05:43] <dgvirtual> I know it should kill the x
[05:43] <dgvirtual> but it does not
[05:43] <raphink> so you're basically stuck with a black screen
[05:44] <raphink> with no option to kill x or leave it
[05:44] <dgvirtual> yes; and in recovery mode, it asks to enter root password, and ( because of sudo?) my password is wrong
[05:44] <raphink> you haven't set a root password?
[05:44] <dgvirtual> nope
[05:44] <raphink> ok
[05:44] <raphink> hmm
[05:44] <raphink> apart from reinstalling
[05:45] <dgvirtual> maybe I should correct some file, that tells the X to start by default?
[05:45] <dgvirtual> from some live cd?
[05:45] <raphink> you could still try (if you want to) to boot on a live CD and chroot into your system
[05:45] <dgvirtual> how do I chroot?
[05:45] <raphink> using chroot 
[05:45] <raphink> hehe
[05:45] <raphink> for example
[05:45] <raphink> you boot on knoppix
[05:45] <raphink> you get root
[05:45] <raphink> you mount your / partition somewhere
[05:46] <raphink> then you run
[05:46] <raphink> chroot /mnt/yourpartition
[05:46] <raphink> and you'll be in your system
[05:46] <dgvirtual> and then?
[05:46] <raphink> so then you can administrate it and try to repair it
[05:46] <raphink> that's a harsh way though
[05:47] <dgvirtual> maybe i could stop X from starting by default by editing some file?
[05:47] <dgvirtual> I don't know which one.
[05:47] <raphink> hmm
[05:47] <raphink> I dno't remember either
[05:47] <Pupeno> What do I need to install to get kmail to be able to sign and encrypt with gnupg ?
[05:48] <raphink> Pupeno: what version of kde are you using?
[05:48] <Pupeno> raphink: 3.4.3
[05:48] <raphink> I've got a problem with gpg in kmail
[05:48] <raphink> and well seeing the /topic it seems i'm not alone having pbs with gpg
[05:48] <Pupeno> oic!
[05:49] <dgvirtual> Does anyone know where the KControl Registration manager stores the info?
[05:49] <Pupeno> :( at least it is aknowledged.
[05:49] <raphink> yep
[05:49] <raphink> you could try to compile kmail with gpg support I gues
[05:49] <dgvirtual> anyone, just hold till I come back with mepis CD instad of windows....
[05:50] <spiral> hi
[05:50] <Pupeno> If I do anything, I'll fix the packages, but I bet there's people already working on that and that will be able to solve the problem in a shorter time (I am still new to the Debian package management).
[05:52] <meng> is there a way to add a startup program to KDE?
[05:52] <Tm_T> yes
[05:53] <meng> Tm_T: how?
[05:53] <Tm_T> add link to ~/.kde/Autorun/ directory
[05:53] <meng> can't find folder
[05:54] <Tm_T> then create it
[05:54] <Tm_T> meng: no, Autostart dir it should be
[05:54] <Tm_T> sorry, my mistake :)
[05:55] <meng> Tm_T: i am using the new 3.5 beta 2 as well
[05:55] <spiral> thanks for the gpg fix in kmail
[05:55] <spiral> meng: it isn't out now... what do you use ?
[05:56] <meng> KDE 3.5 Beta 2
[05:56] <spiral> meng: where does it come from ? because it isn't annouced on kde.org...
[05:56] <meng> i just found out at osnews.com
[05:57] <Tm_T> spiral: it's out
[05:57] <meng> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35beta2 breezy main
[05:57] <spiral> oh yeah, my akregator didn't update his field
[05:57] <spiral> thanks
[05:58] <Tm_T> 16:41  * Tm_T advertise and spam: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35beta2 breezy main
[05:58] <Tm_T> that was hours ago ;)
[05:59] <meng> is there a tool to add startup programs
[06:00] <meng> i can't seem to find a kcontrol item about it
[06:00] <tygore> Riddell: ping
[06:00] <seaLne> hmm maybe tis is a bad idea, i'm upgrading a laptop to breezy that is going to be used at a presentation in ~1hr :)
[06:00] <Riddell> Drakeson: toot
[06:01] <Drakeson> I have upgraded to 3.492
[06:01] <Riddell> that would be the release that doesn't exist yet :)
[06:01] <Drakeson> and I receive a lot of artsd crashing ;)
[06:01] <Riddell> yes, me too
[06:02] <Drakeson> then now I purged anything in ~ and I got that message once
[06:02] <pointwood> anyone know if azureus is available in any breezy repository?
[06:02] <Drakeson> there is no artsd running here and I have sound!
[06:02] <Drakeson> is it kdemm?
[06:03] <Riddell> so problem solved :)
[06:03] <Riddell> Drakeson: what's making the sound?
[06:03] <Drakeson> amarok, kaffeine (through gstreamer)
[06:04] <Riddell> that'll be gstreamer then
[06:05] <meng> spiral: how to i add the command to this folder?
[06:06] <spiral> meng: ? what are you talking about ?
[06:06] <meng> spiral: the /.kde/autostart
[06:06] <meng> i am adding the command firestarter
[06:07] <spiral> meng: you put a shortcut, script or symlink in ~/.kde/Autostart and it'll launch it on kde startup
[06:07] <el-stupido> raphink: you there?
[06:07] <meng> spiral: my firestarter autoruns in Gnome
[06:08] <spiral> meng: firestarter is a gtk app... so that's quite normal indeed
[06:09] <el-stupido> can someone tell me how i can install my NVidia drivers?
[06:09] <meng> spiral; make a shortcut for it there?
[06:09] <cmvo> Riddell: One other thing I just can't solve is the Fixed [Misc]  font selection problem for sizes 13 and 18. The KDE font select dialog just offers the wrong font for these two sizes
[06:09] <Ayiden> How do you operate the wvdialer that comes with kubuntu... when it s installed it doesnt configure itself or ask you nice questions like screen name password and number.... like the normal debian package does -.- ... the configure file is not where it normallsy is and i am getting confused....very confused I feel disoriented in kubuntu... any way can someone please tell me how im suppose to enter my s/n and pass and number
[06:09] <spiral> meng: in the folder, yeah
[06:09] <el-stupido> please?
[06:09] <Ayiden> Please
[06:09] <Ayiden> *(lol)
[06:09] <Riddell> cmvo: where's that?
[06:10] <cmvo> Riddel: I've dug through bug reports, but just can't find out if this is/could be a kde, fontconfig or qt problem
[06:10] <el-stupido> :/
[06:10] <Ayiden> anyone?
[06:10] <Riddell> cmvo: you need to tell me how to recreate
[06:11] <cmvo> Riddell: I enable the bitmapped fonts in fontconfig and would like to select Fixed [Misc]  for konsole
[06:11] <Ayiden> i do I configure wvdial and get my password and stuff in there.. I know wvdialconf etc...
[06:12] <Ayiden> is there a file to edit if so where is it?
[06:12] <meng> spiral: thanks
[06:13] <Ayiden> where is the wvdial.conf file?
[06:14] <xuniL_> locate wvdial.conf
[06:14] <cmvo> Riddell: With the bitmapped fonts enabled try to select Fixed [Misc]  size 13 or 18 as a custom font for konsole.
[06:14] <xuniL_> in console and you will find it
[06:14] <Riddell> cmvo: how do I enable bitmapped fonts?
[06:15] <gibarian> so...is the media:/ problem solved now?
[06:15] <cmvo> Riddell: With the Konsole fixes just announce, maybe I should try the fixes first.
[06:15] <Ayiden> okay thanks
[06:16] <libben> any tips on copying a dvd right of, its no a original one, and i want it to be straight copy....
[06:16] <cmvo> Riddell: Just a moment, it is in the fontconfig configuration.
[06:16] <Ayiden> is there a command I have to use to create it or should it already be there?
[06:16] <libben> hmm.... I think I may even be able just to copy the video_ts folder to hd and just burn it onto a new empty dvd and it will work in a dvd player
[06:16] <spiral> hmmm, don't you have any problems with kde 3.5beta2 for artsd, kded & khotkey ?
[06:17] <xuniL_> libben not sure it will auto run...
[06:17] <xuniL_> i know a program called "iso-buster" for windows...
[06:18] <xuniL_> and nero..
[06:18] <Kibou> what exactly is different in kde 3.5? is there some kind of changelog somewhere?
[06:18] <libben> xuniL_: im pretty sure it will run though. cause dvd dont have alot of diffrent ways to be burned.
[06:19] <libben> and a dvd "movie" is just a dvd with data on it. and burned as if it was normal files. not live vcd and the others would do it on cd
[06:19] <libben> live == like
[06:19] <xuniL_> k
[06:19] <spiral> meng: don't you have problems with kded, artsd or khotkey ?
[06:19] <xuniL_> btw libben trying to fix the console problem in Et...
[06:20] <libben> u have console problem? thought u said it was good for u
[06:20] <xuniL_> well i can play and every thing but.. dont have any console...
[06:20] <meng> spiral: something about sound system crash when i start KDE
[06:20] <spiral> meng: so that's artsd...
[06:20] <xuniL_> config the cfg files
[06:21] <meng> but all media apps seems ok for me
[06:21] <morrow> i get alot of artd crashing with beta2 
[06:22] <cmvo> Riddell: Either dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig or delete the 30-debconf-no-bitmaps.conf link in /etc/fonts/conf.d (see /usr/share/doc/fontconfig/README.Debian)
[06:22] <Lutty> does anyone know why firefox (NOT installed with synaptic)  will run with a sudo ./firefox, but wont run as normal user?
[06:23] <libben> xuniL_: why not bind toggleconsole button to another key?
[06:23] <xuniL_> well thats what i am doing :D
[06:23] <libben> and hows it going ?
[06:23] <_justin> my resolution is set to the correct size but somehow everything's still a little bit too big for the monitor so that I have to scroll around.  Anybody know why this is?
[06:23] <xuniL_> going to start et soon... 
[06:23] <libben> i got tired of messing with quake3 and keyboard input. so i just putted on us layout that i can switch with a single click in tray.
[06:23] <xuniL_> bad thing is i need to shut down amarok...
[06:23] <xuniL_> or else it will lagg badly..
[06:24] <xuniL_> k
[06:24] <meng> can't change khotkeys settings also
[06:25] <meng> i was trying to assign the windows key to the panel menu, the thing blanked once i let go of the key
[06:25] <xuniL_> well i mayby will do the same...
[06:25] <spiral> meng: it seems to be broken too
[06:25] <xuniL_> but i am thinging of doing a auto script for it :D
[06:26] <libben> autoscript for toggleconsole?
[06:26] <meng> thank goodness gnome is my default deskie
[06:26] <xuniL_> autosript for changeing keyboard layout..
[06:26] <libben> =)
[06:27] <Lupin__III> how can i disable automatic browsing of inserted media in breezy?
[06:27] <meng> or else gtk apps seems borked here
[06:27] <libben> well, would not be a problem and also not really of a big scrit either.. just do a && in the shortcut with us layout
[06:27] <meng> and it borked my Gnome desktop also, till i did the gtk to qt thingy
[06:27] <libben> and a && after the game parameter to set it back
[06:27] <libben> would do it sort of
[06:27] <jjesse> apokryphos: did you ever get that patch to me on the kubuntu docs you mentioned yesterday?
[06:28] <apokryphos> eek, forgot to let you know
[06:28] <apokryphos> jjesse: giannaros.org/one.patch
[06:28] <Lupin__III> when i insert a media konqueror opens and point to media device
[06:29] <jjesse> apokryphos: thanks getting it now
[06:29] <meng> is there a way to make qt apps conform to gnome?
[06:29] <morrow> hmmm kdialog is not useable anzmore for ssh-askpass (Could not open a connection to your authentication agent."
[06:29] <apokryphos> jjesse: some are trivial (punctuation), some are typos, some expression, and some are errors :P
[06:29] <jjesse> apokryphos: cool i'll put these in
[06:30] <apokryphos> jjesse: thanks; good doc writing -- they'll come in very handy: gonna start pointin' people to them
[06:31] <apokryphos> jjesse: what's up with the links on doc.ubuntu.com though?
[06:31] <jjesse> apokryphos: thanks for the compliment 
[06:31] <meng> now i have ubuntu, kubuntu and xubuntu in one pc
[06:31] <jjesse> apokryphos: i think it is a problem w/ the inode server let me check?
[06:32] <apokryphos> I put a note in #ubuntu-doc some time ago but no response
[06:33] <meng> gaim has no sound in KDE too
[06:33] <xuniL_> libben how can i minimize the game?
[06:35] <meng> i've crashed the panel by changing the sound server too
[06:36] <xuniL_> nice work meng :D
[06:36] <satafterh> anyone here know anything about real player
[06:36] <meng> xuniL_: KDE 3.5 is full of things to bump into
[06:37] <xuniL_> ahh.... kde 3.5....
[06:37] <meng> after panel crashed, panel picture got borked too
[06:38] <meng> and all gtk apps systray icons got kicked out from the systray
[06:38] <xuniL_> nice...
[06:39] <DeliPenguen> hi boyz
[06:39] <meng> and i still can't run banshee
[06:40] <DeliPenguen> i can resolv domain names, i can ping ip numbers, but i can't ping domains or i can't open web pages with domain, but can open with their ips
[06:40] <DeliPenguen> today i updated my system 
[06:41] <el-stupido> help needed in installing NVidia drivers
[06:42] <meng> el-stupido: look in the ubuntu wikis
[06:42] <el-stupido> anyone?
[06:43] <meng> at least nvidia's driver's are not a pain to install
[06:43] <DeliPenguen> apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel nvidia-glx
[06:43] <DeliPenguen> :)
[06:44] <el-stupido> they arent?
[06:44] <el-stupido> i tried to install them and its been asking me to install a whle lot of other stuff
[06:45] <meng> dependancio
[06:45] <el-stupido> some libc-dev headers
[06:45] <el-stupido> where do i get those?
[06:45] <frahi> well maybe you need them
[06:47] <el-stupido> i'm trying to install this NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7676-pkg1.run <---
[06:47] <DeliPenguen> you have to compile a new kernel i think
[06:47] <el-stupido> yeah
[06:48] <el-stupido> its asking me to do and also offers me to do it lol
[06:48] <el-stupido> but then asks for this libc-dev headers
[06:48] <DeliPenguen> install it
[06:48] <el-stupido> from where?
[06:48] <el-stupido> i couldnt find it even on the install cd
[06:48] <DeliPenguen> which distro?
[06:48] <el-stupido> KUbuntu 5.1
[06:48] <DeliPenguen> apt-get install nvidia-kernel isn't working?
[06:49] <DeliPenguen> apt-get install libc6-dev
[06:49] <meng> opera 8.5 is also screaming for some dependancies i don't know
[06:50] <el-stupido> lemme try that
[06:50] <el-stupido> ok its installing it
[06:51] <el-stupido> let me try installing the drivers again
[06:51] <el-stupido> brb
[06:51] <el-stupido> thanx DeliPenguen l
[06:51] <el-stupido> need to close X now
[06:51] <MenZa> (eject): ioctl failed: Ind/ud-fejl
[06:53] <meng> no drastix changes in the kgames sections
[06:54] <meng> is d4x a gtk app or a qt one?
[06:55] <cmvo> Riddell: After activating the bitmapped fonts, any app that uses the KDE Font Select dialog should show the problem. Select Fixed [Misc] /Regular and compare the sizes 10-20. 13 and 18 look a bit different.
[06:55] <xuniL_> how do you gett flash for konqueror?
[06:55] <apokryphos> xuniL_: install flashplayer-mozilla
[06:55] <xuniL_> but i dont have mozilla..
[06:56] <apokryphos> don't worry; Konqueror uses that one, too
[06:56] <apokryphos> !info flashplayer-mozilla
[06:56] <ubotu> flashplayer-mozilla: (Macromedia Flash Player), section multiverse/web, is optional. Version: 7.0.25-0.0ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 956 kB, Installed size: 2136 kB
[06:56] <xuniL_> k good
[06:56] <MenZa> Can anyone help me with the error "(eject): ioctl failed: In/out error"? It happens when I try to eject my cdrom drive with AudioPlayer - It still plays music cds though. I tried on the main button on the cdrom drive too, doesnt work. This is on Ubuntu 5.10.
[06:58] <meng> MenZa: computer - drive - right click n eject?
[06:58] <xuniL_> apokryphos i cant find the package flashplayer-mozilla...
[06:59] <MenZa> meng: on ubuntu o_O?
[06:59] <meng> yup
[06:59] <spiral> hmmm, does anyone know if there is a way to deal with the kde 3.5beta2 problems about arts, khotkey & kded ?
[06:59] <xuniL_> but i find swf-player would that work as well?
[07:00] <MenZa> That works
[07:00] <MenZa> :o
[07:00] <asraniel> which app lets me make partitions and so? thanks
[07:00] <el-stupido> grrrrrrrrrr
[07:00] <spiral> & also akgregator ?
[07:00] <MenZa> Thanks :)
[07:00] <el-stupido> ok.. how do i set the cc environment variuable to compiler?
[07:00] <MenZa> Last problem: gfx driver.
[07:01] <el-stupido> i'm using gcc 4.0 to compile and i accidentally set it to 3.4 b4
[07:04] <ubuntu> hi! anyone knows how to tell if a computer is running in 64 bit mode?
[07:04] <el-stupido> ok.. how do i start Konversation in the text mode?
[07:04] <meng> i wonder if Edbuntu is apt-get able?
[07:06] <el-stupido> this shutting down KDM and restartuing everytime is time consuming
[07:07] <meng> el-stupido: windows is way moodier than kubuntu
[07:08] <el-stupido> hehe
[07:08] <el-stupido> true
[07:08] <el-stupido> but i still wanna know
[07:09] <libben> i wished more problems would get solved by the forums, so it would be a good place to point others too =)
[07:09] <meng> *Mario - I don't wanna know?
[07:10] <meng> 3.5 beta is a beta
[07:10] <meng> problems are expected
[07:10] <meng> but i didn't think a early beta could still be this good
[07:10] <meng> little weird things going on
[07:11] <Drakeson> Riddell: have you noticed the font issue?
[07:11] <Drakeson> (fixed fonts)
[07:11] <meng>  Drakeson: as usual the gtk apps in kde issue?
[07:12] <Drakeson> no
[07:12] <meng> wild guess here
[07:12] <cmvo> Drakeson: My strange stuff? :-)
[07:13] <Drakeson> e.g. konsole, DejaVu
[07:14] <Drakeson> I fixed the "DejaVi" in kdeglobals in kubuntu-default-settings, but after upgrading to 3.4.92 the issue raised again
[07:15] <Drakeson> I am just looking to find the other file which has the same problem
[07:21] <Ayiden> Alright I still cant figure out howto work the wvdialer
[07:21] <Ayiden> can someone help
[07:21] <cmvo> Drakeson: Ah, I see. I just can't get used to Vera Sans Mono for Konsole, so I'm trying to get Fixed Misc back as used in KDE 3.1.4, but can't get size 13. DejaVu looks a lot like Fixed Misc, maybe it'll do for now.
[07:22] <Ayiden> Ive used it before but its always configured and asked me questions I cant find the right config file or anthing
[07:22] <satafterh> no sound in realplayer when streaming audio or video and works with mp3's, any idea's any one?
[07:23] <meng> satafterh: smash sound card and go Creative
[07:23] <NOVA> i have got a problem from this distro
[07:23] <frahi> alsa, esd or something running
[07:23] <NOVA> when i dpkg -i Skype
[07:24] <ku_dude> Hello all.
[07:24] <NOVA> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of skype:
[07:24] <NOVA>  skype depends on libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3.2); however:
[07:24] <NOVA>   Version of libqt3c102-mt on system is 3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3.
[07:24] <NOVA> dpkg: error processing skype (--install):
[07:24] <NOVA>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[07:24] <NOVA> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:24] <NOVA>  skype
[07:24] <NOVA> anyone can helpme?
[07:24] <ku_dude> Anybody here knows if wine supports .Net 1.1 framework?
[07:25] <Ayiden> yes
[07:25] <Ayiden> NOVA: 
[07:25] <frahi> NOVA: did you try forced install (-f)
[07:25] <Ayiden> NOVA:  you need to download those packages
[07:25] <Ayiden> it may be easier to do that with apt-get or adept
[07:27] <xuniL_> any one know a good antivirus software..?
[07:28] <xuniL_> for linux ofcourse
[07:28] <azertyuuu> hey all , i am new to kubuntu and i want to listen to MP3's but i can't . What packages i  do need 
[07:29] <NOVA> azertyuuu: in your system can install amarok
[07:29] <azertyuuu> amarok can't play it
[07:29] <xuniL_> need to install codec...
[07:30] <azertyuuu> which one ?
[07:30] <slow-motion> hallo
[07:30] <xuniL_> heh many...
[07:30] <xuniL_> !codec
[07:30] <ubotu> xuniL_: Are you smoking crack?
[07:30] <xuniL_> lol..
[07:31] <azertyuuu> xunil , wivh codec ?
[07:31] <xuniL_> some gsteamer codecs..
[07:31] <xuniL_> there are a homesite for it w8
[07:31] <azertyuuu> where can i get them
[07:32] <xuniL_> hmm... dont have the site left :/
[07:34] <spiral> so, still no ideas about the kde 3.5beta2 bugs ?
[07:35] <kamelion> hi, I have a question. When I plug in my external HD kubuntu mounts it and a konqueror window pops up telling me there was an error because media:/sdb2 does not exist, but the disk is correctly mounted on /media/sdb2... is there a way to fix the media:/sdb2 does not exist thing?
[07:35] <Drakeson> spiral: which ones? (I see two ones at least)
[07:35] <xuniL_> any one know a good virus program?
[07:35] <spiral> Drakeson: artsd down, akregator down, kded down, ktouch down
[07:35] <spiral> khotkey sorry
[07:37] <bhna> kamelion: look at the topic HAL fixes syncing ...
[07:37] <mmport81> hi all, how's kubuntu breezy?  how buggy is it???
[07:37] <mmport81> looked at the wiki, and there doesn't seem to be too many bugs
[07:37] <Drakeson> spiral: khotkeys works here
[07:37] <kamelion> bhna: i did a dist-upgrade an hour ago...
[07:38] <Drakeson> spiral: what's wrong with kded?
[07:38] <Drakeson> spiral: what about the monospace font. is it ok there?
[07:42] <xuniL_> any one who know a good linux virus program?
[07:42] <kamelion> xuniL_: you mean antivirus?
[07:42] <xuniL_> yeah
[07:42] <bhna> xuniL_: virus or antivirus?
[07:42] <mmport81> xuniL_: clamav
[07:43] <bhna> xuniL_: fprot?
[07:43] <gibarian> Anyone know what's going on with Berlios?
[07:43] <xuniL_> k tested clamav dident gett it working...
[07:43] <xuniL_> command in console?
[07:43] <Ben1984> hello :P
[07:43] <xuniL_> tryed clamav
[07:45] <xuniL_> mmport81how do i start it?
[07:45] <mmport81> i haven't really tried it myself - what do u want it for?
[07:45] <mmport81> have u installed it?
[07:45] <mmport81> it should be started up in the background
[07:46] <mmport81> check kubuntu's "task manager" and look for clamav there
[07:47] <xuniL_> k...
[07:47] <xuniL_> no GUI?
[07:47] <mmport81> btw, viruses r v rare on linux - so u probably don't need antivirus if u just use it for a desktop
[07:48] <mmport81> oh sorry, task manager program is called ksysguard
[07:48] <xuniL_> k thx.
[07:48] <mmport81> k menu -> system menu
[07:49] <Ayide1> Is anyone willing to help me with the wvdialer?
[07:49] <Ayide1> I cant firgure out how to configure the ubuntu version
[07:49] <Ayide1> HELP *(lol)
[07:50] <xuniL_> mmport81 no GUI for clamav?
[07:51] <mmport81> not that i now of?
[07:51] <mmport81> know of
[07:52] <xuniL_> okey
[07:52] <mmport81> must peeps get by without av on their system - why do u think you need it?
[07:52] <xuniL_> but there is pop up msg then there are a virus..
[07:52] <xuniL_> ?
[07:52] <xuniL_> well just in chase..
[07:52] <mmport81> oh no they won't give u a virus - are you using konqueror?
[07:52] <Ayide1> on windows maybe
[07:53] <mmport81> generally u will be v safe when using kubuntu without av
[07:53] <xuniL_> k
[07:53] <Ayide1> viruses that work SOMEHOW on linux find it very hard to make it past permssions
[07:53] <xuniL_> ahh... smart...
[07:54] <mmport81> yeh, even if they do get into your system, they will be confined
[07:54] <Ayide1> thats why the root password etc.. are there and you dont have roots power all the time ... well 1 reason out of another big number
[07:54] <mmport81> but it's normal not to have av on non-windows systems - look at apple osx for example
[07:54] <kamelion> xuniL_: http://web.tiscali.it/rospolosco/clamaktion/
[07:54] <Ayide1> its still okay to have an av if your paranoid though
[07:55] <xuniL_> :D
[07:55] <Ayide1> but the chances of you ever using it are pretty slim and its only REAL perpase is to stop you from spreading viuses to your WINDOWS friends  : )
[07:55] <mmport81> Ayide1: any suggestion for gui av then?
[07:56] <xuniL_> can you can scan windows viruses on windows drives with it or is it just linux viruses
[07:56] <thebanana> hey folks
[07:57] <mmport81> normally linux av software is used for email servers, which scan emails b4 they get to user's inbox - as i said i am low on linux av details
[07:57] <Ayide1> Ive not had much experiance with them because ive never had to use them.. i have used firwalls but not av
[07:57] <satafterh> is there a program for linux to watch quicktime files
[07:57] <thebanana> has anyone here gone through the process of upgrading from breezy-preview to the released breezy?
[07:57] <Ayide1> yes
[07:57] <Ayide1> satafterh: yes there are quicktime runtime files for linux
[07:58] <mmport81>  satafterh: yes, u will have to install some windows codecs
[07:58] <Ayide1> Im not sure if they are in the ubuntu pool but if you typed quicktime in synaptic you may find somthing or adept
[07:58] <satafterh> #mmport81 i have w32codecs, is that suppose to work? 
[07:58] <xuniL_> kamelion thx for the link
[07:58] <Ayide1> anyone know anything about the wvdialer?
[07:59] <Ayide1> Im used to it being configured when I install it but the ubuntu version doesnt work that way
[07:59] <mmport81>  satafterh: u downloaded them brom some apt source? - they should work
[07:59] <thebanana> stafterh: i use mplayer - you can also google/synaptic search for mplayer codecs
[07:59] <satafterh> #mmport81 there not 
[08:00] <kamelion> xuniL_: np... You should read the README though
[08:00] <xuniL_> k
[08:00] <thebanana> stafterh: the w32codecs should work with mplayer - maybe even xine
[08:00] <mmport81> xuniL_: did u just find clamaktion - looks cool!!
[08:00] <mmport81> i use kaffeine
[08:00] <xuniL_> yeah it does..
[08:01] <mmport81> xuniL_: tried it?
[08:01] <xuniL_> clamaktion?
[08:01] <mmport81> yeh
[08:02] <satafterh> rtsp://streaming.multicasttech.com/AmericaFreeTVDimensionB.sdp
[08:02] <xuniL_> installing it now..
[08:02] <satafterh> #mmport81 thats what i am trying to open
[08:02] <mmport81> stafterh: r u trying to play the quicktime files within a browser, or from a file
[08:03] <satafterh> anything will do lol
[08:03] <mmport81> stafterh: i get an error too with that url, streaming has always been tricky for me
[08:04] <kkathman> Good Day all :)
[08:04] <Ayide1> moshimoshi
[08:05] <satafterh> #mmport81 - so its not just me then lol
[08:05] <Tm_T> kkathman: sir! o7
[08:05] <kkathman> howdy there Tm_T o/
[08:05] <mmport81> satafterh: see if mplayer is any better
[08:07] <satafterh> ok
[08:07] <Tm_T> kkathman: what's up?
[08:07] <Tm_T> kkathman: already tried beta2?
[08:09] <kkathman> beta2 for what?
[08:09] <mjpeg> hello.Anyone know if there is a plugin for burning shn files with K3b? thanks
[08:09] <Ayide1> no-one know anything about wvdialer huh
[08:09] <kkathman> Tm_T: I dont know about any beta2, but I did install Koffice, and Kexi...been playing with that and Krita...very nice :)
[08:11] <kamelion> Ayide1: no, never used it..
[08:11] <Tm_T> kkathman: but there's some usability and stability issues with krita
[08:11] <Tm_T> kkathman: KDE 3.5 beta2 <3
[08:12] <kkathman> Tm_T: yes, as with all of Koffice in fact...which is why they didnt prepackage with kubuntu
[08:12] <Tm_T> oh, it's already 2112!
[08:12] <Ayide1> alright
[08:12] <kkathman> so how do you like the KDE beta, Tm_T ?
[08:12] <Tm_T> time to compile Koffice trunk ->
[08:12] <Tm_T> kkathman: best!
[08:12] <mmport81> Anyone have any comments to make on kubuntu breezy?  don't feel like an upgrade full of hassle....
[08:12] <Ayide1> it has some hastle yes *(lol)
[08:12] <Ayide1> but its new
[08:12] <kkathman> mmport81: I had ZERO problems upgrading from hoary
[08:13] <kamelion> mmport81: yes, it just works here...
[08:13] <Ayide1> upgrading I suppose thats better though
[08:13] <mmport81> oh sounds good....
[08:13] <kamelion> my battery even lasts longer then before now
[08:13] <kkathman> mmport81: if you follow the pre-upgrade recommendations, then follow the published procedure, you'll probably be just fine
[08:13] <Tm_T> kkathman: no problems at all? good to heat
[08:13] <mmport81> will give it a shot then, can't wait to se what guidance is all about
[08:13] <Tm_T> hear
[08:13] <Ayide1> guidance is nice though
[08:14] <kkathman> Tm_T: none that I have found so far at least :)
[08:14] <mmport81> kkathman: where are those intrustion at?
[08:14] <Tm_T> kkathman: good good :)
[08:14] <kkathman> mmport81: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUgradeNotes
[08:14] <kkathman> oops
[08:14] <mmport81> thanks!
[08:14] <kkathman> mmport81: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[08:15] <kkathman> I think alot of people didnt do the pre-upgrade things
[08:16] <mmport81> yeh, i never thought about it - on the release page i don't think it mentions anything...
[08:16] <kkathman> mmport81: I dont know whether it does or not, but an op pointed me to the page I sent you
[08:16] <mmport81> looks good
[08:17] <thebanana> hey folks - my usplash artwork didn't update to the kubuntu artwork after dist-upgrading from breezy-preview
[08:17] <thebanana> anyone had that experience?
[08:17] <kkathman> I didnt have that experience
[08:18] <kkathman> Tm_T: So tell me the big differences in the new KDE?
[08:18] <Tm_T> kkathman: little things everywhere
[08:18] <kkathman> Tm_T:  like?
[08:19] <Tm_T> like Kicker
[08:19] <thebanana> weird - was the us.archive.ubuntu.com repository not up to date in the past couple of days?
[08:19] <kkathman> Tm_T:  I was expecting some nice upgrades in this version of KDE with breezy but there really weren't any that I've seen
[08:20] <Tm_T> kkathman: well, 3.4.x -> 3.4.3 just bugfixes
[08:20] <mmport81> suppose it was a minor kde upgrade
[08:20] <kkathman> thebanana: I think it hasnt changed much at all since the release
[08:20] <Tm_T> mmport81: it was
[08:20] <kkathman> Tm_T: right
[08:20] <kkathman> My hopes were higher I guess :)
[08:20] <mmport81> which isn't a bad thing
[08:20] <Tm_T> kkathman: then try 3.5 beta ;)
[08:20] <mmport81> rather not :P - what's new in 3.5?
[08:21] <mmport81> anthing interesting?
[08:21] <Tm_T> mmport81: well, better "feel"
[08:21] <kkathman> yah i am a bit reluctant to go beta on something
[08:21] <mmport81> :):)
[08:21] <Tm_T> just seem to work faster, better, brettier
[08:21] <kkathman> for now at least
[08:21] <mmport81> good good
[08:21] <Tm_T> heh, there's seems to be only one issue with beta2: arts
[08:21] <kkathman> I do have a KDE question for you Tm_T  if you got a moment
[08:22] <Tm_T> kkathman: go on
[08:22] <mmport81> i am still uncovering kde features, thzat i've missed over the releases, so not desperate for more...
[08:22] <chimaera> Tm_T: anyone still usingarts these days?
[08:22] <Tm_T> chimaera: dunno
[08:22] <kkathman> Tm_T: I have the kicker at the bottom and a second toolbar/panel above it
[08:22] <mmport81> Tm_T: sooner arts is ditched the better
[08:23] <kkathman> Tm_T: my apps icons (quick launches) line up on the bottom and my open windows are on the upper one
[08:23] <Tm_T> chimaera: I just configured my notify system use external player
[08:23] <Tm_T> kkathman: ok, what's the problem?
[08:23] <chimaera> Tm_T: i never use system sounds.
[08:23] <Tm_T> chimaera: I never did, I try them coule days now
[08:23] <Tm_T> couple
[08:23] <kkathman> Tm_T: the only thing I dont like is that the open applications are that drab gray with the icon at the far left.and I want to change that color...can I ??
[08:23] <Tm_T> just for curiosity
[08:24] <kkathman> Tm_T:  NOT the launch icons, but the open window tabs
[08:24] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm, you got pic? I'm not totally sure what you mean
[08:24] <chimaera> Tm_T: mhh, maybe a whole new kde experience unfolds.. worth a try ;)
[08:24] <bengross> i am having troubles
[08:24] <kkathman> hmmm gotta figger out how to get you a pic...
[08:24] <Tm_T> kkathman: ksnapshot
[08:24] <bengross> when i go to network settings and type in password it doesnt do anything
[08:25] <bengross> sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt
[08:25] <kkathman> then post it where?
[08:25] <chimaera> kkathman: how about moving the taskbar?
[08:25] <bengross> still comes up gray doesnt change after entering password
[08:26] <Tm_T> kkathman: use imageshack or other that kind of systems
[08:26] <chimaera> bengross: had something like that, reinstalling kcontrol fixed it..
[08:26] <kkathman> Tm_T: ok I got a snapshop in png format how do I get it to you
[08:26] <kkathman> imageshack?
[08:26] <Tm_T> http://www.imageshack.us/
[08:26] <Tm_T> I think that's ok
[08:27] <Firetech> isn't there any way to disable the kde spell checker? I get kinda distracted by it... I mean disable permanently, not the thing in the right click menu of text boxes, they are just used for that box.
[08:27] <chimaera> bengross: well, fixed it temporarily only. broken again..
[08:28] <Tm_T> Firetech: well well...
[08:28] <Tm_T> Firetech: have you checked kcontrol ?
[08:28] <Firetech> yes
[08:28] <bengross> its broken again?
[08:28] <bengross> thats no help
[08:28] <bengross> i also need to remove and re=install k3b
[08:28] <bengross> linux is weird!
[08:28] <Tm_T> Firetech: uhm, I'm almost sure there's switch for it
[08:29] <chimaera> bengross: just reinstalled again, working. what the hell?!?
[08:29] <getaceres> hi
[08:29] <Firetech> Tm_T: in kcontrol, there are options only to change which database and client to use...
[08:29] <kkathman> Tm_T: the file is too big :(
[08:29] <chimaera> bengross: (k)ubuntu != linux., neither is kde... ;)
[08:29] <bengross> it isnt linux
[08:29] <bengross> ?
[08:30] <chimaera> bengross: <smartass> linux is only the kernel </smartass>
[08:30] <kkathman> lol
[08:30] <getaceres> hi
[08:30] <getaceres> has someone recently upgraded to kde 3.5 beta 2?
[08:31] <jjesse> nope, how do you?
[08:31] <chimaera> getaceres: is there actually a (inofficial) repositoty?
[08:31] <kkathman> Tm_T: Apparently imageshack wont allow my screenshot cuz its 1207 instead of 1024 max :(
[08:31] <getaceres> I know, I have upgraded, I only want to ask you if you have a bug
[08:31] <Tm_T> kkathman: then use krita to reduce size ;)
[08:31] <getaceres> I have it since 3.5 beta1
[08:32] <getaceres> and is related to corruption in kicker
[08:32] <Tm_T> getaceres: I've been using beda2 now over 30h
[08:32] <frank23> chimaera: bengross: the configuration problems you are having with goin to administrator is a bad bug in KDE. try kdesu kcontrol
[08:32] <Tm_T> beta
[08:32] <kkathman> Tm_T: I am not aware of a way to reduce the size without cropping the image
[08:32] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm, there's no resize?
[08:33] <getaceres> I know it's beta and it's expected to have bugs, I only want to know if that happens to anyone else
[08:33] <bengross> ok what will that do?
[08:33] <Tm_T> kkathman: well, you can always email me
[08:33] <frank23> bengross: you open kcontrol as root so you are already in administrator mode.
[08:34] <chimaera> frank23: i'm aware f that workaround but find it most annoying.. so to say. ;)
[08:34] <Tm_T> getaceres: happen what?
[08:34] <kkathman> Tm_T: got it...I just saved it as a jpg
[08:34] <Tm_T> ok :)
[08:34] <bengross> so i can sudo su
[08:34] <bengross> then kcontrol
[08:34] <chimaera> getaceres: can you give me the url /repo of the beta2 packages?
[08:34] <getaceres> when I mousover an icon in kicker It gets a black background
[08:34] <frank23> chimera: That bug has been open for a long time in KDE and they never fixed it
[08:34] <bengross> but cant i boot with wireless enabled instead of ethernet?  
[08:34] <bengross> i want to give this os to other people i dont want them having problems
[08:34] <frank23> chimera: at least it's not ubuntu's fault
[08:35] <chimaera> frank23: well, never experienced it with debian. 
[08:35] <Tm_T> 16:41  * Tm_T advertise and spam: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35beta2 breezy main
[08:35] <getaceres> I've added the line:
[08:35] <getaceres> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35beta2 breezy main
[08:35] <getaceres> to the sources.list file
[08:35] <Tm_T> chimaera: there
[08:35] <frank23> chimera: I think it's because ubuntu uses sudo. 
[08:35] <Tm_T> http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35beta2.php
[08:35] <chimaera> frank23: might be..
[08:35] <chimaera> thanks for the URL
[08:36] <Tm_T> chimaera: check that page
[08:36] <unsurreal> got a problem with konqueror if anyone can help?
[08:36] <getaceres> is anyone else having corruption in kicker?
[08:36] <Tm_T> unsurreal: go on?
[08:36] <Tm_T> getaceres: what kind of corruption
[08:36] <unsurreal> problem being is that when i load my music folder in konqueror, it just being open, not doing anything, it makes my system "skip"
[08:36] <unsurreal> everything
[08:36] <kkathman> Tm_T: check your pm...I sent the link
[08:36] <bengross> cant ethernet be disabled and wireless enabled by default?
[08:36] <unsurreal> like music, visuals, mouse
[08:36] <chimaera> Tm_T: errrr, no ppc. 
[08:36] <unsurreal> 4500 files in the dir
[08:36] <frank23> bengross: yes
[08:37] <getaceres> a black background in the icons when I mouseover them
[08:37] <unsurreal> everything is choppy
[08:37] <Tm_T> kkathman: ok, and the problem is...
[08:37] <Tm_T> kkathman: I forgot :p
[08:37] <bengross> how?
[08:37] <Tm_T> chimaera: not that I know
[08:37] <kkathman> Tm_T: see the bottom....kicker is on the bottom and the panel just above it
[08:37] <Tm_T> kkathman: yes
[08:37] <kkathman> Tm_T: now you see the three open window tabs on that top line
[08:37] <asraniel> does anyone know if there is a fix somewhere floating around for all thos people that cant mount their ipod?
[08:38] <chimaera> Tm_T: maybe i can spare some cpu-cycles ;)
[08:38] <kkathman> or maybe its two
[08:38] <frank23> Tm_T: ummm kde3.5beta2 seems to have pretty annoying bugs
[08:38] <getaceres> also, corruption in the kubuntu image in the kde main menu
[08:38] <Tm_T> frank23: like?
[08:38] <Tm_T> chimaera: hm?
[08:38] <chimaera> frank23: is there a way to change the sudo behaviour to debian-style?
[08:38] <frank23> Tm_T: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems
[08:38] <bengross> how?
[08:38] <chimaera> Tm_T: compile beta2 for ppc.
[08:38] <unsurreal> sudo passwd root
[08:38] <unsurreal> ?
[08:38] <frank23> chimaera: yeah you can give a password to root.
[08:38] <Tm_T> chimaera: #kubuntu-devel then please :)
[08:38] <chimaera> unsurreal: not that one..
[08:38] <bengross> how do i run the network progam from konsole
[08:38] <kkathman> Tm_T: Sorry there are two open window tabs on that upper line, not three
[08:39] <Tm_T> kkathman: yes
[08:39] <bengross> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[08:39] <bengross> Xlib: No protocol specified
[08:39] <chimaera> frank23: already done that, i mean so that kcontrol uses kdesu instead of sudo by default..
[08:39] <bengross> whats that mean?
[08:39] <chimaera> bengross: wrong user..
[08:39] <kkathman> Tm_T:  now you see how they are that ugly gray
[08:39] <frank23> chimaera: I configured networking with a gnome configuration tool
[08:39] <unsurreal> bengross: i read something about that earlier, google it, you have to edit your .bashrc file and add something so root can launch graphical apps from CLI
[08:40] <kkathman> Tm_T: I want to change that color to something else
[08:40] <Tm_T> kkathman: browngray?
[08:40] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[08:40] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: around ?
[08:40] <frank23> chimaera: I'm not sure about that... you can maybe change the menu entry
[08:40] <Tm_T> kkathman: ok, have you checked your colour settings?
[08:40] <kkathman> Tm_T: which item is that color?
[08:40] <unsurreal> Tm_t: can you solve my konqueror problem(3.4.3)
[08:40] <Tm_T> kkathman: I think it follows button colours
[08:40] <Tm_T> unsurreal: what's it?
[08:41] <unsurreal> uhm
[08:41] <kkathman> ahh button colors ok
[08:41] <unsurreal> i'll pm
[08:41] <Tm_T> unsurreal: ok
[08:41] <chimaera> frank23: that won't work, for kcontrol itsel is called as user.. the sudo is called later (when accessing an appropriate module..)
[08:41] <kkathman> Tm_T:  by the way, if people are still asking about Konqueror and how to split the pane, I found out how to do that
[08:42] <frank23> chimaera: I meant put kdesu kcontrol in the menu 
[08:43] <Tm_T> frank23: ok, what nasty bugs in beta2?
[08:43] <frank23> Tm_T: well this one seems pretty bad: aRtsd dies on every logging in, and comes up with an error message every five seconds after.
[08:43] <chimaera> frank23: but  then _every_ module runs with with admin access.
[08:43] <thebanana> why are the fonts in adept so large?
[08:43] <Tm_T> frank23: yup, just disable kde sound system
[08:44] <frank23> Tm_T: how do I do that? what will be the result?
[08:44] <Tm_T> frank23: no arts at all
[08:44] <getaceres> also akregator dies immediatly after upgrading
[08:44] <getaceres> at least for me
[08:44] <getaceres> I also have the arts bug
[08:44] <Tm_T> frank23: kcontrol -> sound & multimedia -> kde sound system
[08:44] <getaceres> upgrading to beta2 has ton been a good idea
[08:45] <Tm_T> getaceres: it's been good idea to me
[08:45] <Tm_T> very good
[08:45] <getaceres> i thought it was more stable than beta 1
[08:45] <getaceres> for me, beta 1 is better
[08:45] <frank23> getaceres: I will wait until stable (or beta with no bad bugs)
[08:45] <getaceres> normally I don't install betas
[08:45] <Tm_T> ok, I'm away ->
[08:45] <getaceres> this is the first time I install a KDE beta
[08:46] <getaceres> thanks to kubuntu packages, I must admit
[08:46] <unsurreal> kkathman: you here?
[08:46] <getaceres> I like kubuntu for being so fast delivering KDE releases
[08:46] <bengross> sounds complicated for my feeble mind
[08:46] <getaceres> I haven't seen that before
[08:48] <kkathman> unsurreal: yep
[08:48] <getaceres> anyway, I have to install kubuntu from scratch
[08:49] <frank23> getaceres: why?
[08:49] <getaceres> I upgraded it from the preview release and I have a few remaining bugs that has been corrected (I think) but that remains for me
[08:49] <unsurreal> kkathman: pm
[08:49] <da_bon_bon> how and with which kbd shortcut is katapult activated ?
[08:49] <getaceres> I want to see if I have them in a fresh install
[08:50] <kkathman> unsurreal: I dont see one ???
[08:50] <frank23> getaceres: a fresh install should be the same a the upgraded preview release
[08:51] <thebanana> da_bon_bon: i had to run katapult from the command line (or add it to ~/.kde/Autostart)
[08:51] <thebanana> then to activated Alt+Space
[08:51] <getaceres> not for me. For example, in usplash I get a timeout at the begining, when it's loading modules and I get the rest of the boot in text mode. 
[08:51] <getaceres> It is said that this bug has been solved in the final version, but it happens for me, no matter how many times I reinstall usplash or kubuntu-default-settings package
[08:51] <kkathman> thebanana: I think all you needed to do was run it once with alt-F2 and its good from then on
[08:52] <thebanana> thanks kkathman
[08:52] <kkathman> thebanana: in fact I know thats the case, cuz I did that yesterday, shut down for the night and its working today
[08:53] <thebanana> sweet
[08:53] <frank23> getaceres: well if reinstalling is not a problem for you, you can try it
[08:53] <getaceres> also, I have a problem with the network. It gets a lot of time to get a IP from the DHCP server while it was almost immediate in Hoary
[08:53] <da_bon_bon> what is katapult anyway ?
[08:53] <da_bon_bon> any nice bittorrent frontend ?
[08:53] <getaceres> kernel 2.6.12-9 should resolve this, but not for me
[08:53] <thebanana> da_bon_bon: katapult is a friendly launcher
[08:53] <kkathman> da_bon_bon: its an autocomplete application launcher
[08:53] <thebanana> like tab completion for guis 8)
[08:53] <getaceres> I have to configure my network card by hand, and even then, it gets a lot of time to get up
[08:54] <da_bon_bon> huh
[08:54] <da_bon_bon> alt-f2 is better
[08:54] <frank23> getaceres: is this a know bug?
[08:54] <getaceres> I reported it
[08:54] <frank23> da_bon_bon: alt-f2 does nothing for me
[08:54] <Hhhhh> hello. Question: would kubuntu breezy runs semi-decently in a PI 200Mhz?
[08:54] <getaceres> and someone replied saying that kernel 2.6.12-9 solved it, but for me, it's not solved
[08:54] <kkathman> alt-f2 should pop up a dialog to run a command, frank
[08:54] <frank23> kkathman: ....
[08:55] <da_bon_bon> frank23: cant be.
[08:55] <frank23> it does nothing
[08:55] <kkathman> hmmm thats weird
[08:55] <da_bon_bon> ok
[08:55] <getaceres> I reported again especifying it was happening for me in the final Breezy version
[08:55] <da_bon_bon> run program.
[08:55] <da_bon_bon> frahi: check you shortcuts.
[08:55] <getaceres> but I had no response
[08:55] <getaceres> and the bug remains open
[08:55] <da_bon_bon> any kde frontend to bittorrent ?
[08:55] <frank23> da_bon_bon: there is ktorrent, never used
[08:56] <kkathman> da_bon_bon: look at your internet selection on the kde menu
[08:56] <da_bon_bon> kkathman: nothing
[08:56] <kkathman> da_bon_bon: hmm I have a bittorrent entry there
[08:56] <frank23> da_bon_bon: where can I check the kde short cuts?
[08:57] <da_bon_bon> is there any console command that directly start download ing a torrent, without asking questions ?
[08:57] <da_bon_bon> frank23: kcontrol
[08:57] <Hhhhh> would kubuntu breezy runs semi-decently in a PI 200Mhz?
[08:57] <getaceres> da_bon_bon: anyway, azureus is the best bittorent client I have tried.
[08:57] <frank23> Hhhhh: how much ram?
[08:58] <da_bon_bon> getaceres: not in repos. no install candidate.
[08:58] <kkathman> Hhhhh: probably ok, but you might stick with the native gnome and not KDE
[08:58] <da_bon_bon> kkathman: gnome more laggy on my piii 550mhz
[08:58] <kkathman> Hhhhh: how much memory?
[08:58] <Hhhhh> frank23, I believe it's about 96 or 128
[08:58] <Hhhhh> Mb of RAM
[08:58] <dipnlik> Hhhhh: I wouldn install KDE on the machine
[08:58] <frank23> Hhhhh: you can also try xubuntu since it less demanding on ram
[08:58] <dipnlik> frank23: xubuntu?
[08:58] <Hhhhh> what about ubuntu?
[08:58] <Hhhhh> is gnome less RAM-demanding?
[08:59] <getaceres> da_bon_bon: add this repository: deb http://idefix.eup.uva.es/soleup/ soleupix main games java openoffice 
[08:59] <kkathman> Hhhhh: I have an HP box with 96 MB and its a p1, similar to yours, and I can run gnome ok, but I put xfce on it cuz its more performant
[08:59] <frank23> dipnlik: it's ubuntu with another DE, I forget which one
[08:59] <getaceres> it has azureus, java 1.5 and the latest rc's from openoffice
[08:59] <dipnlik> frank23: icewm? xfce? will look for it
[09:00] <kkathman> Hhhhh: but a p1 200 might be good mostly for a file or print server and thats it :)
[09:00] <frank23> dipnlik: yeah its xfce
[09:00] <da_bon_bon> getaceres: thanks
[09:00] <dipnlik> Hhhhh: who will use the machine?
[09:00] <Hhhhh> kkathman, I just want to install ubuntu or kubuntu and use it for testing things about the OS, I'm not really planning on using it for something specific. I have a better box with kubuntu that I don't wanna mess up too much
[09:01] <Hhhhh> I'm trying ubuntu, I've used Fedora and SuSE in the past
[09:01] <Hhhhh> and Red Hat 9
[09:01] <Hhhhh> so, nobody will really use this machine
[09:01] <da_bon_bon> how do i command that first do aptget upgrade, then, when that finishes, strat two torrent downloads on btdownloadcurses ? simultaneously ? from konsole
[09:01] <Hhhhh> it's more for trying things and stuff
[09:01] <dipnlik> Hhhhh: if the user is comfortable with some terminal programs and wants to research on faster programs, it is ok
[09:01] <kkathman> Hhhhh: I'd install ubuntu and let it install gnome, then configure it so that it doesnt load the GUI and stays in the command line mode...thats what I eventually did with the HP
[09:02] <da_bon_bon> *start
[09:02] <da_bon_bon> apt-get upgrade ; btdownloadcurses XX ; btdownload curses XX ?
[09:02] <dipnlik> Hhhhh: agreed with kkathman . then you can install a lightweight windows manager
[09:02] <Hhhhh> ok
[09:02] <kkathman> Hhhhh: Its a nice little file server for me now...rather than throwing it away
[09:02] <Hhhhh> xfce?
[09:02] <Hhhhh> enlightment?
[09:03] <Hhhhh> well, one of those
[09:03] <Hhhhh> ok, thanks. I'll install ubuntu in it then
[09:03] <dipnlik> Hhhhh: fluxbox
[09:03] <dipnlik> Hhhhh: ratpoison :)
[09:03] <kkathman> Hhhhh: I'd not worry about a gui...especially if you are just learning...its good experience to learn the command line anyway
[09:03] <frank23> so what is Alt-f2 supposed to do anyways? lauch katapult?
[09:03] <da_bon_bon> no.
[09:03] <da_bon_bon> launch run program
[09:04] <kkathman> frank23: no, its a run command dialog box
[09:04] <Hhhhh> kkathman, I know my CLI, I just want to try ubuntu/kubuntu good and see if I'll like them more than FC4
[09:04] <frank23> kkathman: I have that mapped to win+r
[09:04] <da_bon_bon> i still cant figure how to use catapult :{
[09:04] <kkathman> you can use it to run anything, but you must use it to start katapult the first time
[09:04] <Hhhhh> but I prefer to use the small P1 for testing things
[09:04] <Hhhhh> and let the Athlon XP for my final configuration
[09:04] <dipnlik> yikes, i should have known about xubuntu earlier... :(
[09:04] <kkathman> Hhhhh:  ahhh I see.. I misunderstood
[09:05] <chimaera> ok, i have a more convenient way to workaround the kcontrol-admin issue..
[09:05] <da_bon_bon> ok guys
[09:05] <da_bon_bon> cya 
[09:05] <frank23> chimaera: what is it?
[09:05] <da_bon_bon> while updating kde, is it ok to be running kde ? or i must switch to a VT ?
[09:05] <kkathman> Hhhhh:  I'm pretty sure you wont be able to run KDE, I mean... it will run but very very poorly
[09:06] <Hhhhh> ok, so no KDE. And Gnome, will it be too terrible?
[09:06] <frank23> da_bon_bon: it doesn't matter too much, just retart kde after you upgrade
[09:06] <da_bon_bon> ok, frank23 :)
[09:06] <da_bon_bon> ok guys 
[09:06] <kkathman> Hhhhh: Gnome will be ok, just sluggish because of your memory constrain and processor
[09:06] <da_bon_bon> cya
[09:06] <da_bon_bon> ttfn
[09:07] <Hhhhh> ok, I'll give ubuntu a try then
[09:07] <frank23> once katapult is running what does it do?
[09:07] <Hhhhh> as far as I know, the diff between kubuntu and ubuntu is the window manager and some defaults, right?
[09:07] <chimaera> frank23: set a root-pwd and tell kdesu to use su: http://www.mail-archive.com/kubuntu-bugs%40lists.ubuntu.com/msg00543.html
[09:07] <Hhhhh> anything else?
[09:08] <Hhhhh> I like KDE, I think I'd rather use kubuntu
[09:09] <frank23> chimaera: ok and that works to configure network settings?
[09:09] <kkathman> Hhhhh: Kubuntu is ubuntu with KDE
[09:09] <frank23> chimaera: do you know the command for system settings? (similar to kcontrol)
[09:09] <getaceres> frank23: katapult lets you launch applications in a cool way. It's some kind of cool alt+f2
[09:10] <frank23> getaceres: well it seems to be running but how do I use?
[09:10] <getaceres> frank23: press alt+space
[09:10] <Hhhhh> ok, thx
[09:10] <kkathman> I havent figured Katapult out quite yet tho
[09:10] <Hhhhh> i'
[09:11] <getaceres> then start writing the name of the application you want to launch
[09:11] <Hhhhh> i'll install ubuntu, maybe switch from gnome to some lightweight desktop
[09:11] <getaceres> katapult suggest you the name, but you can keep writing
[09:11] <kkathman> I think you have to have run the application once to get it registered in Katapult
[09:11] <seezer> can anyone tell me which repository contains 'msttcorefonts'?
[09:11] <frank23> getaceres: alt-space does nothing.. I think it's because my shortcut mimick the windows ones
[09:12] <getaceres> run the command "kpm" and look if katapult is running
[09:12] <frank23> getaceres: katapult is running
[09:12] <kkathman> seezer: it used to be in multiverse
[09:12] <seezer> breezy?
[09:13] <kkathman> I dunno I dont use them
[09:13] <getaceres> then I don't know what's wrong
[09:13] <kkathman> seezer: I suppose its still there :)
[09:13] <getaceres> I open it with alt-space, but anyway I don't use it often
[09:14] <seezer> kkathman:  i have problems with fonts in some flash-crap and someone told me those could help
[09:14] <seezer> kkathman: do you have a free solution for that? ;)
[09:15] <kkathman> seezer: I just did an apt-cache search on msttcorefonts and they are in my repositories
[09:15] <chimaera> frank23: the cmd ist 'systemsettings' (check the menu-item ;) ) it will work with everything that had problems caused by kdesu using sudo.. so yes, also network settings i suppose.
[09:15] <kkathman> seezer: I believe that those fonts are now offered up as cross platform, so no royalty is necessary...seems I remember something about that
[09:15] <frank23> chimaera: ok thanks
[09:15] <chimaera> frank23: np
[09:16] <seezer> kkathman: ah, multiverse. thank you. thought i had it in..
[09:16] <kkathman> seezer: np
[09:16] <azertyuuu> hi , how can i enable NumLock to startup automatically every time
[09:17] <chimaera> frank23: in fact, i have to thank. you pointed me into the right direction ;)
[09:17] <frank23> chimaera: you better thank me! ;-)
[09:19] <asraniel> so, i would love to be able to mount my ipod. but i cant, does anybody know in which log i should search for error messages?
[09:20] <frank23> chimaera: ummm the change you made to kdesu? basically kdesu changes to the root user instead of doing sudo, that's it?
[09:20] <reagleBRKLN> Help, has anyone have success with printing to a remote SAMBA accessible printer on a Windows machine?
[09:20] <chimaera> frank23: i thing it uses "su -c <command>"
[09:20] <chimaera> s/thing/think/
[09:20] <jjesse> does the printer have an ip address associated w/ it or is just shared through the windows box?
[09:21] <reagleBRKLN> I had difficulties with an scratch this I had difficulties with this in the past, but was able to get in to work by re-disabling the root account (my preference is to have it all in) and twiddling with the settings forever. However, that does not seem to be working this time. Also, it is anyway to make the Web administration form accessible?
[09:21] <bhna> i have installed the fixes. the problem of usb-thumdrive mounting is still there!! has anybody the same problem? are there any solutions?
[09:22] <reagleBRKLN> jjesse: DeviceURI smb://user:psswd@paq/samsung
[09:22] <frank23> bhna: you mean todays updates? I you read the changelog, you see that they change basically nothing.
[09:22] <jjesse> hmm i just setup cups to use the tcp/ip port so i can't help you sorry :(
[09:23] <reagleBRKLN> jjesse: how do you do that? (You mean you're not using SAMBA?)
[09:23] <bhna> frank23: yes i mean this fixes eg kdebase ... ubuntu4.deb
[09:23] <jjesse> yes i'm not using samba, my printers have jet direct cards in them so they have ip address specifically attached to the server
[09:23] <jjesse> i have a windows print server for the rest of the domain that are windows boxes
[09:24] <reagleBRKLN> ah
[09:24] <treefrog> sup all
[09:25] <treefrog> hey how do I find out what version I'm using? I'm in teh middle of a reintsall and upgrade
[09:25] <frank23> version of what?
[09:25] <treefrog> Kubuntu
[09:26] <treefrog> it is 
[09:26] <bhna> frank23: where can i find the changelogs?
[09:26] <treefrog> 5.10
[09:26] <javb> wow wow wow.. just installed this beauty.. im exited.. 
[09:26] <javb> kubutu did it this time..!
[09:26] <Regulator> installed what?
[09:26] <frank23> bhna: in synaptic, before you do an update you can select a package and go to PAckage->download changelog
[09:27] <treefrog> but which version of breezy!! seems there are some big changes withen it
[09:27] <javb> 5.10
[09:27] <frank23> bhna: alot of todays updates only fixed the build dependancies for some kde packages
[09:27] <Regulator> javb you plan on using wine?
[09:27] <azertyuuu> hey all, if i use the cmd   "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" , will only the packages be installed ? And can i still work in KDE then
[09:28] <treefrog> Ok I've just stoped my update.. cose I think there may be something I should know before I do this..
[09:28] <javb> Regulator, nah, have never used it.. (if im not mistaken it is to emulate Microsoft programs) and i dont need them..
[09:28] <javb> why the question?
[09:28] <frank23> azertyuuu: yes after you install ubuntu-desktop, when you login you can choose between kde and gnome
[09:28] <kkathman> treefrog: Hmm not sure it was a good idea to stop the upgrade in mid stream?
[09:28] <treefrog> only the downloading
[09:29] <kkathman> treefrog: Oh wait you said update
[09:29] <bhna> frank23: and what is with the channel topic?
[09:29] <_master> hi! Is there a newbie suport?
[09:29] <kkathman> _master: we try to support everyone to a degree :)
[09:29] <treefrog> or is it upgrade.. hehehe
[09:30] <kkathman> Hmmm guess he didnt want support after all :)
[09:30] <frank23> bhna: ummm yeah... those are the other bunch of updates
[09:30] <treefrog> so I put in my Kubuntu 5.10 cd and it installed
[09:31] <treefrog> but then I see an upgrade option
[09:31] <treefrog> in kynaptic
[09:31] <javb> i downloaded the live CD, and the MD5sums didnt match.. didnt burn it. then i downloaded the DVD version, which MD5sums didnt match either, but this time i burned it anyway.. and here i am, with now problems.. thats a weird thing isnt it?
[09:31] <kkathman> treefrog: yah
[09:31] <kkathman> treefrog: try this:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[09:32] <treefrog> Ok but if I dont upgrade I cant seem to find all the stuff I want
[09:32] <treefrog> ok
[09:32] <treefrog> thanks
[09:32] <treefrog> if I do an upgrade will it send me into super unstable hell??
[09:32] <frank23> treefrog: are you running hoary now and want to upgrade to breezy?
[09:32] <treefrog> No I installed 5.10 kubuntu
[09:33] <treefrog> breezy right!!
[09:33] <kkathman> yes
[09:34] <frank23> so the upgrade you're talking about is just todays updates in breezy(5.10)
[09:35] <treefrog> well I'm not sure cos I have noticed that there is a difference between the various CD 5.10 that I have downloaded over the last few weeks
[09:35] <treefrog> the preview being the first..
[09:35] <treefrog> but yes all 5.10
[09:35] <kkathman> yah lots of updates today via Adept :)
[09:36] <treefrog> ya but the version I have installed now has not got Adept it has Kynaptic
[09:36] <frank23> treefrog: did you install the stable 5.10? released on the 13th?
[09:37] <treefrog> Humm.. I have had a bunch of CDs.. tried one and it was hell..possably the most recent) and then tried another. on this version I have Kynaptic
[09:37] <treefrog> dont have the other Cd at hand now
[09:37] <kkathman> treefrog: the final version of Breezy did have Adept
[09:38] <treefrog> how do I find out the build of the CD
[09:38] <kkathman> Its actually on the Kubuntu menu
[09:38] <treefrog> is an upgrade from this version a bad Idea??
[09:38] <treefrog> Oh
[09:38] <frank23> treefrog: you can upgrade to the stable from whatever version you're using through the internet
[09:38] <kkathman> treefrog: check on the Kubuntu menu under SYSTEM
[09:39] <kkathman> btw have I mentioned that Adept rocks?
[09:40] <Tm_T> it does
[09:40] <treefrog> system and then what?? Oh ya I liked the look of Adept too.. 
[09:40] <treefrog> Hi Tm_T me again asking sill Qs.. lol
[09:41] <kkathman> There are no silly questions..but we have plenty of silly answers :)
[09:41] <treefrog> lol
[09:41] <treefrog> cool
[09:41] <Tm_T> and silly persons asking questions
[09:42] <treefrog> hey so the version and an upgrade.. first the version where is it? undersystem
[09:42] <treefrog> Kinfo?
[09:42] <kkathman> Tm_T: Hey I resemble that :)
[09:42] <Tm_T> hmm, I dont understand
[09:42] <frank23> kkathman: I still like synaptic better? how do you tell from which repos is a package? how do you specify which version to install when you have the same package from more that one repo?
[09:43] <kkathman> frank23: To each his own I suppose...I guess I just never have enjoyed s(k)ynaptic much...back in warty when it was unreliable
[09:43] <treefrog> Adept is not as mature yet but I think from thelittle I have seen it can be very good.
[09:45] <kkathman> besides, frank23  I think that when you apt-get install, it checks all repositories to verify the most recent and installs that, at least thats what someone told me a long time ago
[09:45] <kkathman> thats why i do an apt-cache before anything
[09:46] <treefrog> Can I ask. If I continue with an upgrade from this version of Breezy with Kynaptic to the newer version.. will it be stable or will i spend hours for nothing??
[09:47] <treefrog> I'll stick in an old version of houry ubuntu if it is going to be a rough ride just now
[09:47] <frank23> kkathman: I do everything with synaptic: I can lock packages to versions, force certain versions to be installed, read installed files lists for a package...
[09:48] <azertyuuu> hey if i give the cmd "apt-get install edubuntu.dekstopt" , will KDE change to EDubuntu, or only add packages ?
[09:49] <azertyuuu> apt-get install edubuntu.desktop
[09:49] <frank23> treefrog: the latest version of breezy should be stable. you are very unlucky if that's not the case for you
[09:49] <frank23> azertyuuu: it will add packages
[09:49] <treefrog> Ok thanks.. do I need to bare anything in mind during this upgrade.. at last as far as you know??
[09:49] <frank23> azertyuuu: and its edubuntu-packages
[09:50] <frank23> azertyuuu: and its edubuntu-desktop *
[09:50] <azertyuuu> ok thanx
[09:50] <frank23> treefrog: there should be no problems
[09:51] <treefrog> thanks frank23
[09:52] <bradwin> a
[09:54] <m_tadeu> hello...about that aRts problem....does anyone have a solution?
[09:54] <frank23> m_tadeu: someone suggested disabling arts
[09:54] <frank23> I'll just wait
[09:54] <m_tadeu> mmm....oki
[09:55] <andreas_> anyone know how to disable that cpu-hogging selection rectangle on the desktop?
[09:55] <andreas_> I just want a simple fast one
[09:56] <insanekane> andreas_: i think ... move to kde 3.5 .. it works very well for me
[09:57] <comshock25> anyone knows how to work a cdburner? im having problems with cdrecord =(
[09:57] <andreas_> insanekane: huh?
[09:57] <andreas_> I need to migrate to kde to get a faster selection rectangle?
[09:58] <andreas_> kde 3.5 that is
[09:58] <insanekane> andreas_: probably ... though, afaics, kde 3.5 is more bug-free than the older one
[09:58] <insanekane> damn faster too
[09:58] <frank23> andreas_: I know what you mean.... 
[09:59] <andreas_> insanekane do you have any idea of what I'm talking about
[09:59] <andreas_> I don't care if kde 3.5 is faster and more bug free
[09:59] <frank23> insanekane:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems
[09:59] <insanekane> andreas_: yep i do :)
[09:59] <andreas_> I want to disable this fugly slow blue translucent selection rectangle
[09:59] <andreas_> if you know how to (not, kde 3.5 doesn't count), then I'd appreciate a hint
[10:00] <insanekane> andreas_: well, your problem is sure fixed in kde 3.5 :) thats why i suggested it ... it was my 2 cents. if you don't care, please donate it to a charity :P
[10:00] <insanekane> andreas_: moving to a new version is one of the methods of fixing it, as far as open source software is concerned.
[10:02] <insanekane> frank23: yep, ive faced the new user problem myself ... wonder what the error actually is though, so i could help to fix it
[10:03] <insanekane> andreas_: btw, it really would help if you were a little less rude :)
[10:03] <frank23> insanekane: well upgrading to a non stable version is not always the best thing
[10:03] <insanekane> we're (atleast I am) on a budget here
[10:03] <insanekane> frank23: yeah well :)
[10:04] <frank23> insanekane: what budget? free is free ;-)
[10:04] <insanekane> frank23: i think this whole KDE packaging issues is biting back at kubuntu's PR :)
[10:04] <insanekane> frank23: hehehe :) i mean, budget = time, effort, etc etc :)
[10:04] <insanekane> frank23: sometimes, even patience :)
[10:05] <frank23> what do you mean, kde packaging issues?
[10:05] <raingrove> andreas_ : u can easily disable that
[10:06] <andreas_> raingrove: please oh please tell me how
[10:06] <raingrove> andreas_ : hold on looking for it
[10:07] <Tm_T> wengophone: Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.0) but it is not installable
[10:07] <Tm_T> doesn't look funny to me
[10:08] <andreas_> raingrove: I'm not going to hold my breath..
[10:08] <andreas_> :)
[10:08] <frank23> Tm_T: for skype?
[10:09] <Tm_T> frank23: as you can see: wengophone
[10:09] <frank23> Tm_T: wengophone is a program? I thought you were talking to someone
[10:10] <Tm_T> nope :p
[10:10] <raingrove> andreas_ hmm i can't find it. but i am sure there is such an option. i had it turned off last time
[10:10] <frank23> Tm_T: that is probably a packaging issue: the deb has wrong dependancies because the breezy package is now calles libqt3-mt
[10:11] <Tm_T> frank23: yup
[10:11] <andreas_> raingrove, right
[10:11] <Tm_T> frank23: have to grab sources then
[10:11] <andreas_> and on that note, time to go work out
[10:11] <andreas_> bye
[10:11] <Tm_T> frank23: but some kind of dummy package is needed
[10:11] <frank23> Tm_T: or learn how to extract the package and rebuild it with the right dependancies
[10:12] <raingrove> andreas_ hold on man
[10:12] <frank23> Tm_T: I don't know how to do thta
[10:12] <bhna> andreas_: system settings -> style -> rubberband effects
[10:12] <andreas_> oh there we go
[10:12] <andreas_> thanks bhna 
[10:12] <andreas_> now
[10:13] <andreas_> what the hell is a rubberband
[10:13] <andreas_> :S
[10:13] <bhna> andreas_: my pleasure. rubberband in german gummiband
[10:14] <andreas_> I use a rubberband to select icons on my desktop. Riight..
[10:14] <raingrove> exactly.
[10:14] <andreas_> that makes perfect sense
[10:14] <Tm_T> frank23: I grab sources, it's not that big issue to me, but usability of distro ...
[10:14] <andreas_> next time I meet a kde developer, I'm gonna have him flogged
[10:14] <andreas_> with a real rubber band
[10:14] <frank23> Tm_T: do you know checkinstall?
[10:15] <Tm_T> frank23: hmm, no?
[10:15] <insanekane> andreas_: rubberband is a common GUI metaphor ... even on MS windows, Mac
[10:16] <frank23> Tm_T: with that, instead of make install, you run checkinstall and it builds a .deb and installs it
[10:16] <frank23> Tm_T: then you can uninstall easily
[10:20] <mars> Hi
[10:21] <Tm_T> frank23: hmm, actually I can as easily uninstall when I do make install
[10:21] <mars> Whwre can i find respositories for breezy?
[10:21] <frank23> Tm_T: how?
[10:21] <Tm_T> frank23: I can always do make uninstall ?
[10:22] <Tm_T> frank23: or, is it too hard to do make uninstall? ;)
[10:22] <Tm_T> and yes, I do it almost daily
[10:22] <frank23> Tm_T: ... I did not even know about that... you need to keep the source directories for that?
[10:22] <Tm_T> yes
[10:22] <Tm_T> and I do
[10:23] <Tm_T> frank23: but that checkinstall sounds interesting, I'll try it
[10:23] <_mars> Where can i find respo for breezy?
[10:23] <_vincent> hi
[10:24] <frank23> Tm_T: I like to have everything installed being in a package
[10:24] <frank23> !tell _mars about repos
[10:24] <_mars> Thanks
[10:25] <frank23> np
[10:25] <_vincent> I have just installed kubuntu (this is my first connection), and I would like to know why with adept it seems that I can never connect to repositories, is there something special to do ?
[10:25] <Tm_T> !tell Tm_T about starwreck
[10:25] <Tm_T> :(
[10:25] <frank23> _vincent: you mean fetch updates doesn't work?
[10:25] <Tm_T> stooopid bot
[10:27] <frank23> Tm_T: I downloaded starwreck. haven't finished it but it's pretty funny
[10:27] <_vincent> for example if I press "fetch update" and then ask for gimp with in quickfilter, I cannot find it
[10:27] <Tm_T> frank23: it is
[10:28] <Tm_T> frank23: seen it multiple times already
[10:28] <laszlok> has anyone tried updating from the kde3.5 beta2 repositiories yet
[10:28] <Tm_T> laszlok: using it now over 32h
[10:28] <laszlok> cause there is no package list on http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/3.5-beta2/kubuntu
[10:28] <Tm_T> yes
[10:28] <Tm_T> slow mirrors
[10:29] <Tm_T> http://kubuntu.org
[10:29] <Tm_T> check front page
[10:29] <frank23> _vincent: you should see it
[10:29] <kkathman> ahhh back after a nice shower :)
[10:30] <kkathman> noirequus: ???
[10:30] <mars_> Can somebody ask bot to give me URL to the program that will mount my win partition?
[10:31] <frank23> Tm_T: starwreck may be even better if you can understand it. (I see you're finnish) is that the right word?
[10:32] <frank23> !tell mars_ about windowsdrives
[10:33] <kkathman> beat me to it frank23  :)  I need to know more of those keywords :)
[10:34] <frank23> !tell kkathman  about list
[10:34] <frank23> ;-)
[10:34] <_vincent> Is adept supposed to  work directly once connected or is there something to setup ?
[10:35] <Tm_T> frank23: yes
[10:35] <frank23> _vincent: it should work for the packages in main (gimp is in main) automatically
[10:35] <Tm_T> frank23: it's funny, and I watched it with and without english text
[10:35] <Tm_T> frank23: translation was part of best humour in it
[10:36] <mars_> How to install deb?
[10:36] <poste2> hi everybody
[10:36] <laszlok> Tm_T: ya the third repositiory on the list is deb http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/3.5-beta2/kubuntu breezy main
[10:36] <laszlok> but apt-get says: Failed to fetch http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/3.5-beta2/kubuntu/dmain/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[10:36] <Tm_T> laszlok: as I said, slow mirrors
[10:37] <unsurreal> mars_ dpkg -i filename.deb
[10:37] <unsurreal> mars_ mount windows partitions automatically via /etc/fstab
[10:37] <_vincent> heu frank je suis unregistered je peux pas rpondre en priv
[10:37] <_vincent> sorry
[10:38] <frank23> _vincent: ah ok
[10:38] <_vincent> sur kubuntu-fr c moins blind pour discuter
[10:39] <_vincent> parce que l je rame ma race
[10:40] <_mars> Anther problem. I need to instal window decoration- crystalGL, but it doesent work. Means i need to get GL? how can i get it?
[10:44] <treefrog> Ok the upgrade is compleet .. BUT and you just saw tha tcomming right!!
[10:45] <treefrog> Amarok
[10:45] <treefrog> not playing my music
[10:45] <kkathman> btw thanx frank23  I had that written down, just hadn't gotten around to reading it yet :)
[10:45] <frank23> kkathman: read what?
[10:46] <frank23> treefrog: I installed amarok-xine and changed the engine in the settings
[10:46] <kkathman> frank23: the list of factoids :)
[10:47] <treefrog> Ok I'll try that .. thanks
[10:47] <frank23> kkathman: oh ;-)  some are pretty useless
[10:47] <kkathman> frank23: yup
[10:47] <slow-motion> n8
[10:48] <frank23> treefrog: you can do the same with kaffeine: install kaffeine-xine and change the engine to kaffeine
[10:48] <kkathman> treefrog: its a transgender thing dontcha know
[10:49] <treefrog> frank23 do I need to enable some other repo
[10:49] <Pinaraf> Hi
[10:49] <treefrog> lol
[10:49] <kkathman> Hello Pinaraf  :)
[10:49] <Pinaraf> did somebody here try the KDE 3.5 beta2 packages for breezy ?
[10:49] <frank23> treefrog: universe if you haven done it already
[10:49] <kkathman> Pinaraf: yes Tm_T  did
[10:49] <Tm_T> I do
[10:49] <Pinaraf> when I installed them, I lost arts and akregator
[10:49] <Tm_T> actually I don't try
[10:49] <Pinaraf> arts keeps crashing
[10:50] <kkathman> Tm_T:  yeah you did
[10:50] <Tm_T> I use
[10:50] <Pinaraf> and akregator isn't able to handle archives any longer
[10:50] <kkathman> Pinaraf: yep we've heard about that one
[10:50] <Pinaraf> and I'm not alone with that bugs
[10:50] <Tm_T> Pinaraf: just disable arts, you really don't need it
[10:50] <frank23> Pinaraf:   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems
[10:50] <Pinaraf> is there a solution ?
[10:50] <treefrog> frank23 all 4 in the Adept listings?
[10:50] <Tm_T> and my akregator is working fine
[10:50] <kkathman> Hey frank23 what program are you using for IRC?? Konversation?
[10:51] <frank23> kkathman: yes
[10:51] <Pinaraf> Tm_T: I know for arts, but it's crashing, and that bug has to be fixed
[10:51] <kkathman> frank23: man I wish someone would port mIRC over...cuz Konversation kinda is puny compared to mIRC
[10:51] <frank23> treefrog: well you don need to enable the deb-src repos
[10:51] <treefrog> K
[10:52] <frank23> kkathman: I don't really need anything fancy...  are there linux IRC clients that can run mIRC scripts
[10:52] <kkathman> frank23: I dunno, but I liked the capability to be able to create my own macros and stuff
[10:53] <kkathman> Im getting tired of typing that wiki address for BreezyUpgradeNotes
[10:53] <frank23> !upgrade2breezy
[10:53] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[10:53] <chimaera> i have a problem with my wifi-stick: if i set essid & key manually using iwconfig, it works fine, but automating this via /etc/network/interfaces fails ( ****** Can't find desiredSSID:). any ideas?
[10:54] <treefrog> ~I get the empression I should stay away from trhe arts packages for the moment
[10:54] <os2mac> wassup?
[10:55] <frank23> treefrog: arts? the problem is gstreamer: it mostly sucks
[10:55] <kkathman> lol
[10:55] <kkathman> artsd is a hog too
[10:55] <treefrog> seems to be doig a lot of sucking too..
[10:55] <os2mac> chimaera: I have a similar problem ... in that if I go into hibernate it won't save the settings. 
[10:56] <os2mac> I think it's a config issue but can't confirm that.
[10:56] <chimaera> os2mac: it'S strange, even if i comment the essid in interfaces, i get the msg above.. so i assume the config is expected to be elsewhere..
[10:57] <eckhart> hi
[10:57] <kkathman> hello eckhart  :)
[10:57] <DocTomoe> Has anyone experienced problems with artsd after upgrading to KDE 3.5 Beta2?
[10:57] <os2mac> I don't get an error. I just get a blank config when I attempt to recover from hibernate. 
[10:57] <eckhart> is juk in kde 3.5 beta 2 always broken, or just for me?
[10:57] <kkathman> DocTomoe: yep it sux
[10:57] <os2mac> and I can't get any of the gui's to work with any consistancy.
[10:58] <Tm_T> Pinaraf: there's nothing I can do for it, just disable arts
[10:58] <os2mac> the only way I have been able to make it work was from the cmd line at startup.
[10:58] <Pinaraf> Tm_T: or switch back to arts 1.4.3, that may work
[10:58] <kkathman> DocTomoe:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems
[10:58] <Pinaraf> and what about akregator ?
[10:58] <Tm_T> Pinaraf: dunno, try
[10:58] <Pinaraf> try what ?
[10:58] <Pinaraf> I've no idea
[10:59] <Tm_T> Pinaraf: I don't need arts myself, still have sounds :)
[10:59] <Pinaraf> I'm not used with such bugs
[10:59] <kkathman> Tm_T: I dont use sound on my machine at all
[10:59] <Pinaraf> Tm_T: forget that
[10:59] <Pinaraf> please, akregator is more important
[10:59] <Tm_T> Pinaraf: :)
[10:59] <Pinaraf> since arts 1.4.3 will work
[11:00] <Tm_T> Pinaraf: ok, do you use svn ?
[11:00] <Pinaraf> I'll have to recompile akregator from svn ?
[11:00] <Pinaraf> isn't there a fixed package ?
[11:00] <DocTomoe> does anyone know how to get rid of these annoying artsd messages?
[11:00] <spiral> for some people arts can be usefull... I agree with Pinaraf & I don't think that's the point to tell him not to use arts
[11:00] <Tm_T> Pinaraf: fixed package where?
[11:00] <kkathman> DocTomoe: yes, stop it
[11:01] <Pinaraf> Tm_T: a package for akregator without that bug
[11:01] <DocTomoe> kkathman: and how would I do that?
[11:01] <eckhart> yeah
[11:01] <spiral> kkathman: you don't use knotify, all right, but there are people that do use it
[11:01] <Tm_T> spiral: well, I don't have other solutions to repeated crashing
[11:01] <frank23> what does akregator do
[11:01] <treefrog> Ok I have the xine thing in and I have it selcted in amarok. it is not crashing as such but it is not playing either.. is there another setting??
[11:01] <eckhart> now artsd always crashes
[11:01] <frank23> ?
[11:01] <Tm_T> Pinaraf: haven't seen any yet
[11:01] <eckhart> after re-login
[11:01] <frank23> treefrog: amarok-xine is not playing
[11:01] <Pinaraf> frank23: I don't get any feed article
[11:01] <Pinaraf> you can guess that's not usable
[11:02] <treefrog> well assuming i have it set up right .. no
[11:02] <frank23> Pinaraf: RSS feeds? I never tried that
[11:02] <kkathman> spiral: true...but ya know, there is a list of known issues with the beta and you can browse that before you decide to try it too
[11:02] <Tm_T> eckhart: my advice, disable arts until it's fixed
[11:02] <kkathman> spiral:  you kinda get what you get when you try beta software :)
[11:02] <spiral> kkathman: I didn't say something else...
[11:02] <Pinaraf> kkathman: FALSE
[11:02] <Tm_T> Pinaraf: ?
[11:02] <Tm_T> what's false
[11:03] <Pinaraf> beta software doesn't mean continuously crashing software
[11:03] <frank23> treefrog: you chose the xine engine in amarok?  hmmm....
[11:03] <DocTomoe> I may inqire again ... how do I disable arts?
[11:03] <Pinaraf> or even unstartable software
[11:03] <spiral> kkathman: I just said that it wasn't the point telling to disable arts
[11:03] <Pinaraf> you can't even test it
[11:03] <Pinaraf> beta are done to be tested
[11:03] <jbroome> DocTomoe: vote republican.  That'll disable arts
[11:03] <Pinaraf> not for people to watch it not starting
[11:03] <kkathman> Pinaraf: it means that its not ready for prime time and you can expect bugs and crashes, I beg to differ
[11:03] <spiral> jbroome: +1
[11:03] <DocTomoe> you are sooo brigt, jbroome
[11:03] <Tm_T> ok, I'm off for awhile, some compiling to be done ->
[11:03] <treefrog> frank23 configure engin and sound system >set to xine engin. click apply and OK
[11:03] <kkathman> jbroome: lol good one :)
[11:04] <spiral> kkathman: expect bugs & crashes, but maybe sometime, let's say at least once, the packager has been able to use it, otherwise he wouldn't have released the package
[11:04] <frank23> treefrog: does sound work in other programs? movies etc
[11:04] <treefrog> not tried that .. but I get system sounds like oops this or theat
[11:05] <kkathman> spiral: ok, just that I personally expect that there will be issues, maybe you dont, but I do...and I know that before I go in :)
[11:05] <treefrog> output plugin autodetect
[11:05] <treefrog> or alsa
[11:05] <eckhart> at least, the five-second-crashs have gone :-S
[11:06] <frank23> treefrog: I use autodetect. you can try different ones if you want
[11:07] <treefrog> they all crash it so far .. lol
[11:09] <frank23> treefrog: that's strange... are you using the x86 version of ubuntu?
[11:09] <treefrog> Kubuntu and yes.
[11:10] <treefrog> I have not fugiered out which the auto is using. Amarok is not crashin but it just jumps through the files like they are empty or somethng
[11:11] <eckhart> that's the worst release of kde i've ever seen
[11:12] <NeedHelp> Hi, i have mounted my Kubuntu 5.10 un my MASTER Hard Disk, i have a SLAVE hard disk where i have mounted Windows Xp, there is any way to take some files thath i need from there?
[11:13] <frank23> NeedHelp: click the konqueror button (lower left) then strage media
[11:13] <NeedHelp> What?
[11:13] <frank23> NeedHelp: click the konqueror button (lower left) then storage media
[11:14] <NeedHelp> I see only the floppy drive O.O
[11:15] <frank23> NeedHelp: right... it only works for me because I have everything mounted already ;-)
[11:15] <treefrog> need to mount the drive first. have you got Disk & files systems under system settings
[11:15] <treefrog> it should be at the bottom of the system settings window
[11:16] <NeedHelp> ehmm?
[11:16] <NeedHelp> ok wait im seeing
[11:16] <treefrog> good good
[11:17] <NeedHelp> ok
[11:17] <NeedHelp> i have my master
[11:17] <NeedHelp> it's enabled
[11:17] <NeedHelp> near my slave there is'nt the icon enabled
[11:17] <NeedHelp> is this the problem?
[11:17] <treefrog> now when you set it up take a look at the rest of the settings for the partition/drive.. 
[11:17] <treefrog> you need to set the file sys
[11:18] <treefrog> and teh admision propertys
[11:18] <NeedHelp> how can i do it?
[11:19] <treefrog> have you got asa far as the disk & file sys window?
[11:20] <NeedHelp> What?
[11:20] <MEtaLpREs> is there an easy way to add windows to a linux install to dual boot? the only info i can find is for installing linux on a windows machine and that doest help me at all
[11:20] <treefrog> Ok open the system settings window and then open the drive & file sys icon
[11:21] <eckhart> am i the only one who has artefacts in the window decorations with kde3.5b2?
[11:21] <eckhart> (plastik)
[11:22] <NeedHelp> treefrog: ok i've it
[11:23] <treefrog> good good.. I only got it myself an few hours ago
[11:24] <_mars_> ehhh 
[11:24] <eckhart> http://ewsoftware.de/temp/artefacts.png
[11:24] <frank23> treefrog: for you amarok problem, can you check that other players play that mp3? like vlc
[11:25] <eckhart> that's what plastik window decorations look with me
[11:25] <_mars_> I cant find qt 3.2
[11:26] <raphink> MEtaLpREs: unfortunately windows has a certain habbit of removing existing systems
[11:26] <raphink> or at least ignoring them
[11:26] <raphink> and setting it a single boot
[11:26] <raphink> so that you always have to install windows first and linux second
[11:26] <raphink> so linux can recognize windows and include it in lilo or grub
[11:27] <frank23> MEtaLpREs: if you create a partition for windows, then run the windows, then recover grub using...
[11:27] <treefrog> ahh dont you just hate that.. !!  now frank23 what was that?
[11:27] <frank23> !recover
[11:27] <ubotu> somebody said recover was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[11:27] <raphink> as windows won't include linux in its boot
[11:27] <frank23> treefrog: can you try to play your mp3 with another player like vlc?
[11:28] <treefrog> Oh good idea.. ya
[11:30] <kkathman> hey chavo :)
[11:35] <mars> Hi
[11:35] <mars> I need help
[11:35] <mars> I am trying to install PSI
[11:35] <mars> But i need Qt 3.x Multithreaded
[11:35] <mars> I cant find it using apt-cache search
[11:35] <mars> can anybody help me?
[11:37] <treefrog> Frank32: ok I got Vlc working.. thanks for teh tip. now how can I use this to give me a lead on getting Amarok working.. ?
[11:39] <SbCl3> i upgraded to breezy and when i go into KSysGuard there is no search bar where i can filter processes...
[11:39] <SbCl3> how do i get it back?
[11:40] <frank23> treefrog: I heard on the #ubuntu channel that amarok cannot follow symlinks... 
[11:41] <frank23> treefrog: where is the file located?  try to copy it to you home directory and try again
[11:41] <treefrog> Ya.. whats that when it is at home?? it is strange .. I got Amarok workig better under ubuntu
[11:41] <treefrog> tried puttin the file on the desk top
[11:41] <treefrog> nope
[11:41] <treefrog> no go
[11:41] <kkathman> SbCl3: did you try the config?
[11:41] <kkathman> SbCl3: show the toolbar that might help you...
[11:42] <SbCl3> config? where? i don't see a configure place anywhere
[11:43] <Regulator> Where can i go to ask a network question?
[11:43] <frank23> treefrog: I am trying amarok myself right now and am having strange problems
[11:43] <kkathman> SbCl3: click on settings
[11:43] <Pinaraf> see you
[11:44] <kkathman> SbCl3: configure toolbar
[11:45] <SbCl3> no, not that statusbar
[11:45] <SbCl3> a search bar where you type in text to filter processes
[11:45] <paines> hi
[11:45] <treefrog> Ahh anyway another day. bed for me here. thanks. I cant stick round. if you get a good result post it in www.kubuntuforums.net/ I'm sure there are many interested i the solution. 
[11:45] <kkathman> SbCl3: not sure I know what you are looking for...ksysguard is a graphical look at processes, and you have that plus the system monitor
[11:46] <frank23> treefrog: ok
[11:46] <SbCl3> the last version had it
[11:47] <SbCl3> or before i upgraded, anyway
[11:47] <paines> every root identification fails for root apps under kde. guarddog, kontrolcenter->login manager->administrtor mode ... all give "conversation with su failed". any idea how  to fix that
[11:48] <chavo> SbCl3, did you install the 3.5 beta before you upgraded?
[11:48] <SbCl3> no
[11:48] <SbCl3> oh; yes, i did
[11:49] <chavo> well breezy replaces it with 3.4.3
[11:52] <unsurreal> 3.5 doesnt even feel like a beta
[11:52] <raphink> feels like an alpha
[11:53] <unsurreal> lol
[11:53] <unsurreal> ive got no probs with it
[11:53] <raphink> unsurreal: there's no pb with amarok and k3b as long as you had them installed before upgrading
[11:54] <raphink> but once you've upgraded you can't install them anymore it seems
[11:54] <satafterh> is kde beta 2 out
[11:54] <raphink> it's not out officially, but there are packages for kubuntu
[11:55] <raphink> http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35beta2.php
[11:55] <kkathman> satafterh: yes, but seems there are some rather nasty buggies
[11:55] <raphink> seems
[11:56] <raphink> just no sound ;)
[11:56] <satafterh> buggies in beta 2?
[11:56] <satafterh> no sound at at?
[11:56] <satafterh> all
[11:56] <raphink> no artsd
[11:56] <raphink> well artsd won't start that is
[11:57] <raphink> knotes and akregator make kontact crash
[11:57] <raphink> at least here on my comp
[11:57] <satafterh> guess i will wait then to install that
[11:58] <raphink> you might not have pbs though satafterh 
[11:58] <satafterh> 50.50 chance i guess
[11:58] <raphink> no idea
[11:58] <raphink> my install is trashy so...
[11:59] <satafterh> i will wait and see if any one eles has issues, i jsut got my pc working the way i want
[12:00] <satafterh> thanks for the tip
[12:00] <satafterh> later
[12:00] <raphink> later
[12:02] <icewt> hm.. are there big differences between KDE 3.4.3 and 3.5?
[12:02] <unsurreal> nope
[12:02] <unsurreal> they both suck :P
[12:02] <icewt> not when compared to gnome ;)