[03:38] <ddunne> so, i have a question if anyone is currently on...
[03:39] <ddunne> i'm looking at the wiki page, and the art.ubuntu.com page, and i'm not really finding anything that says, "we need this, who wants to do it?"  do we have a list somewhere on projects that need to be worked on?
[01:12] <artnay> ddunne: as far as I know, there's no up-to-date list available. maybe you should post mailing lists about it.
[01:12] <artnay> artwork needs a good project leader or a few...
[01:13] <artnay> actually I think Canonical should hire at least one full-time developer dedicated to artwork
[03:45] <ddunne_> So, should we just create a section on the wiki page with projects on it and more or less some specifics?
[03:46] <ddunne_> i mean, there's already the projects section, but all it has is the humility icons project
[03:58] <artnay> it should have also calendar, gtk and metacity themes etc.
[03:59] <artnay> default backgrounds included?
[03:59] <artnay> the current default is quite messy and breezy doesn't have a consistent theme
[04:01] <artnay> imo the current splash theme is nice, but when it comes to gdm and desktop
[04:01] <artnay> I'd rather see i.e. simple human gdm and background based on that (actually I guess the background was first and GDM was made after that)
[04:02] <artnay> then colours would match all the way from booting to desktop
[04:03] <artnay> what do you guys think?
[04:04] <artnay> I might be missing something since my system is dist-upgraded since warty, but hopefully breezy CDs will ship soon
[04:09] <artnay> I'm just curious how will artteam and desktopteam co-operate from now on
[04:09] <artnay> and where is ubuntulog's log located?
[04:09] <ddunne_> which log?
[04:10] <artnay> log of #ubuntu-artwork
[04:10] <ddunne_> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[04:11] <artnay> ok, thanks. where did you get the URL?
[04:11] <ddunne_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtTeam
[04:11] <artnay> guess I haven't been paying enough attention
[04:11] <artnay> ;)
[04:11] <artnay> that too obvious
[04:12] <ddunne_> so as far as projects, we need to add [calendar, gtk, and metacity] ?
[04:12] <ddunne_> i just happen to have that page open
[04:13] <artnay> and AUC should be promoted, I can't find a link there from www.ubuntulinux.org
[04:14] <artnay> I mean, let's make it more public
[04:14] <ddunne_> AUC?
[04:14] <artnay> art.ubuntu.com
[04:15] <ddunne_> i think that until we get a little more organized, we should keep that on the dl as just a repository, but that's just me
[04:17] <artnay> that's an idea, too. AUC needs more functions (and content!) anyway, so maybe it could be announced later on when some work has been done to it
[04:18] <artnay> it's not well-known at the moment. people keep sending their work to gnome-look, kde-look, deviantart, their own websites etc.
[04:19] <artnay> maybe we should mail those guys and ask for their permission to add their contributions to AUC
[04:22] <artnay> there's 23+1 people involved in artteam according to wiki, but still it's quiet in here and lists :(
[04:23] <artnay> what do you think about the idea of asking people to share their work in AUC?
[04:23] <ddunne_> that would be damn fine, but i doubt they would do the work, i think we just need someone in charge of contacting people that submit to those sources, and getting their permission/ask them to submit their work to auc
[04:24] <ddunne_> well, i am just getting unburdened from bieng basically snowed under at work from hurricanes katrina and rita
[04:24] <ddunne_> so that's why i'm chimimg in so late
[04:25] <artnay> and artteam should also be in contact with desktop team as it seems they share the same goals
[04:27] <artnay> at leasts goals should be separated so that the same thing won't be done twice
[04:30] <ddunne_> i think that ours is definately a less intergal role, we make pictures, they write code... but we should have an...emmisary or something to coordinate and offer up stuff that we came up with definately
[04:31] <artnay> ddunne: what's your nick or have you registered to forums/AUC?
[04:33] <artnay> I think desktop team's goals could be something like what's shown in ~ by default, how to make nautilus to fit ubuntu ideology, how to install stuff from AUC easily etc.
[04:47] <artnay> oh yeah, and at least mozilla fx and tb should have ubuntu-like icons that would match to icons used in GNOME
[04:59] <ddunne_> haven't registered on the forums, but it will be my wikiname, and for mozilla stuff, we should just come up with a mozilla theme to be used for both with ubuntu
[05:17] <artnay> ddunne: yeah, maybe that's true. people who have used fx with default theme should feel familiar with the GUI that ubuntu presentes to them, so...
[05:26] <ddunne_> also, if we just do a theme, we can put it on update.mozilla.org, and get a little free press so to speak
[05:27] <derek[] > Hi :-)
[05:31] <artnay> and how about terminal theme? should it be just plain black on white?
[05:32] <artnay> it would be nice to have a consistent colour/shape theme for all the common applications
[05:34] <artnay> btw, if you're using irssi, here's a nice brownish theme for it: http://www.irssi.org/themes/ash.png (http://www.irssi.org/themes/ash.theme)
[05:37] <derek[] > hi artnay 
[05:37] <artnay> hey derek[]  
[05:38] <artnay> it's been lively day here on #ubuntu-artwork today ;)
[05:40] <derek[] > :)
[05:40] <derek[] > That's nice to hear!
[06:28] <ddunne_> yeah, we've been coming up with a list of projects that we need to work on, because as far as i can tell, we have basically no direction or guideline for what needs to be done that we can find on our pages
[06:30] <ddunne_> so far, we've come up with a few projects that we should make some wiki pages for and link to on our artteam page [calendar, gtk, metacity, mozilla themes] 
[06:32] <artnay> what about konsole theme?
[06:32] <artnay> gnome-terminal of course
[06:35] <artnay> and other "miscallenous" programs
[06:36] <ddunne_> i actually haven't delved into linux that much, and all i have done is in gnome, so judging by that auspicious looking k instead of a c, i'm guessing that it is for kde
[06:36] <ddunne_> my vote is that we just focus on what is provided on the install disk, all other things come in second
[06:37] <artnay> ddunne: yeah, gnome-terminal is included (of course) by default
[06:37] <ddunne_> indeed it is
[06:37] <artnay> I prefer KDE over GNOME, but as G stays as a default DE for ubuntu, then it needs to be polished
[06:38] <artnay> as many default packages as possible
[06:38] <artnay> people say they don't like the brownish theme, but I guess they just mean the current default theme
[06:39] <ddunne_> that's what i'm talking about, once we manage to get rolling, we'll probably have to split into ubuntu and kubuntu art teams, but that would be much farther down the line
[06:39] <artnay> http://kwh.kernow-gb.com/~bvc/theme/screenshots/CL_Cairo-Human.jpg
[06:39] <artnay> take that as an example, I think that's nicely done GNOME
[06:40] <artnay> I think kubuntu-artteam exists already
[06:40] <artnay> not sure though, but I recall reading something about it (forum/lists)
[06:40] <ddunne_> yeah, that's sexy
[06:41] <ddunne_> there looks to be a kubuntu artwork page, but no actual team
[06:42] <artnay> I use KDE but I just can't use the default blue theme
[06:42] <artnay> brown is nice, and it's easy to tweak KDE to use it
[06:43] <ddunne_> i have k installed on this box, i just don't use it, it's a little to goofy for me, gnome just feels better
[06:44] <ddunne_> but i've been a windows admin forever, and am now just hitting up linux
[06:44] <artnay> I feel that GNOME restricts user to do so many basic things that I can't stand it
[06:44] <artnay> that's because it's "easier to use" then. well, whatever. it's nice to have choice
[06:45] <artnay> enough for now. I have to go and see my girl friend. bye all!
[06:45] <ddunne_> adios