[12:02] yay, jon changed tense === astronut [n=astronut@sfnc-162-39-87-180.sandhills.us] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:03] did the arvhies get F*'d? some people in #ubuntu (me included) are having gpg errors and 404's with apt [12:06] man those hp ads with the picture frames are *brilliant* [12:06] jdub: you jsut saw those? [12:06] i know the debian organization but not ubuntu..who handles archives? [12:07] they've been around for a while === sivang reads the release process proposal thread before sleep === koke [n=koke@adsl229-164.unizar.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:14] jdub++ [12:15] pony++ [12:16] archive person is? [12:16] astronut: you can point fingers at Znarl === GmanAFK is now known as Gman_ === Znarl hides [12:17] Znarl: 404's all over plus gpg errors [12:17] erm [12:17] astronut : Not very descriptive but I believe I know the solution. [12:17] gpg errors = packages.gz out of sync [12:17] gpg errors in apt-get update :-P [12:18] Znarl: immediatly following upgrade to breezy [12:18] Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mplayer/mplayer-586_1.0-pre7cvs20050716-0.1ubuntu9_i386.deb 404 Not Found [12:18] Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main libxine1c2 1.0.1-1ubuntu10 [12:18] 404 Not Found [12:18] Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe amarok-xine 2:1.3.1-0ubuntu4 [12:18] 404 Not Found [12:18] Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe amarok-engines 2:1.3.1-0ubuntu4 [12:18] 404 Not Found [12:18] ok, ok, fixing. Hold on mate. [12:18] appreciate ti [12:18] what's the issue? [12:19] Sync problem, should be solved in a few minutes. [12:19] tseng: NO MORE PONIES! [12:20] jdub: you're all out? [12:20] mmm ponies [12:20] i just can't keep funding tseng's pony habit [12:20] the return on investment is *terrible* [12:20] Are they vegan ponies? [12:20] jdub: was ubuntu on tap going on the fridge? [12:21] ajmitch: yes, when davyd's docs are ready - that'll make it more relevant :) === jdub watches CNN savage hugo chavez [12:22] great :) === ajmitch needs his fridge fix regularly [12:22] Znarl: let me know when? === mpt [n=mpt@201-26-76-37.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra looks up where Vanuatu is... we obviously have a edubuntu user there [12:26] astronut : 10 minutes. [12:26] Znarl: k === Znarl heads for bed [12:26] jbailey: only if you eat them [12:26] ogra: interesting :) [12:26] ogra: how do you know? [12:27] Riddell, he just posted to the M :) [12:27] ML [12:27] man [12:27] i should totally do a pacific island tour [12:27] hmmm :) looks like a Pacific Paradise Island :) [12:27] ogra: it is near fiji [12:28] jdub: start with LCA [12:28] yes, and they are the owners of .vu ... never knew that... wow, edubuntu is sooo educating me :-D [12:28] and then tour from there [12:29] ajmitch: nz so doesn't count [12:29] sure it does [12:29] we've got the most polynesians of any part of the pacific, I'm sure :) [12:29] ogra: i'd be surprised if it were a real vanuatuan [12:30] ogra: there are lots of tongans on the internet, but almost none of them live there (they just want .to domain names...) 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[01:27] yes [01:27] it would just generate an acpi event [01:28] oh, good point [01:29] You're complaining because your silkscreened hotkeys actually work properly?... That's new. :) [01:30] infinity: damned if you do... [01:30] I'm complaining that my fat fingers hit fn-f12 instead of ctrl-f12 sometimes ;) === stub [n=stub@costello.z3u.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin_ant [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:31] monsieur stub [01:31] yo [01:35] bob2: been using a toshiba? [01:35] stupid toshiba fn is between crtl and alt, I have an IBM and a toshiba, it's hell switching between them [01:44] heh, yeah, a friend's vaio === marcin_ant [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:51] HrdwrBob : Yeah, same here, though I tend to say "stupid IBM", only because my fingers are trained from years of desktop use to fly far-left for CTRL... I'm getting used to the IBM, though. [01:52] well, stupid both! though it makes it very easy to turn on the thinkpad light, bottom left+top right [01:53] True, but if they wanted the light to be accessible in the dark, they could have given it its own button. :) === sabdfl [n=mark@pdpc/supporter/silver/sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:55] HP have a BIOS option to switch Fn and Control [01:56] ooh, damn them to heck. [01:56] Only on their business range, though [01:59] Znarl: still get 404's === ajmitch wanders back in === tritium [n=michael@216.84.35.66] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:16] mjg59, should/could stuff like that be configurable in the Keyboard Preferences? === mpt hugs uControl === tritium [n=michael@216.84.35.66] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [02:17] mpt: Not really - most machines don't provide sufficient information for that [02:18] ah, pity === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-084-059-064-157.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pounk_ [n=pounk@142-217-81-161.telebecinternet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:38] nifty, backuppc found my laptop was back on the network and restarted that full backup i interruped by going away earlier today === astronut [n=astronut@sfnc-162-39-87-180.sandhills.us] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === pounk__ [n=pounk@142-217-81-161.telebecinternet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SloMoSnail [n=slomo@p5487F95B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@costello.z3u.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blueyed_ [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:19] ogra: You around? === zakame [n=zakame@203.215.86.76] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JanC [n=janc@dD5E086DA.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [n=agp@207.67.194.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kaloz [n=kaloz@arrakis.dune.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ppp-70-247-41-252.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:56] oh god, yada is in main? [03:57] yes [03:57] and it caused pain for breezy too [03:57] haha [03:57] I'm sure certain maintainers are quite sick for using it :) === ajmitch looks over at bob2 [03:58] hey, I've been yada-clean for months now [03:58] I'm glad [03:58] I had to reintroduce bugs in universe packages because I couldn't break UVF for yada days before release ;) === ikuyaLoqu [n=ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame_ [n=zakame@unaffiliated/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajmitch_ [n=ajmitch@port161-152.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kyncani [n=kyncani@lns-bzn-35-82-250-198-254.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === daysleper [n=dayslepe@216-214-118.0501.adsl.tele2.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajmitch_ [n=ajmitch@port161-152.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:47] mdz : Would accept a trivial fix to -updates for #16911? (usplash exits early in initramfs) [04:48] mdz : I already assumed "No", since the fix wouldn't be seen until the next initramfs regeneration, but.. [04:48] infinity: I would, but the fix isn't quite trivial...still might be OK [04:49] mdz : The fix is incredibly trivial. [04:49] there will be a steady stream of kernel security updates to regenerate initramfs [04:49] infinity: increasing/decreasing the usplash timeout? [04:49] mdz : Yup, wrapped around the load_modules() call. [04:50] (There's also a lingering bug in usplash itself, but that can be fixed in dapper) [04:50] doesn't quite fall under my definition of trivial, but might be OK for -updates nonetheless [04:50] Namely, despite the compiled in default timeout of 15, it seems to exit earlier for some people. [04:50] odd, never seen that [04:51] Yeah, I assumed that bug submitters just can't count, but mjg59 confirmed it sometimes exits in 5 seconds or so, for no good reason. [04:51] Though maybe he's also basing this on anecdotal bug submitter evidence. [04:52] the trouble with touching initramfs-tools at all is that any problem we introduce can break the user's system in a way which is quite complex to fix [04:52] Generally, submitters inflate numbers though ("Oh my god, loading modules took 3 minutes!"), rather than deflating numbers (well, it took 15 seconds, but I'll tell you 4), so I dunno. === bigcx2_ [n=bigcx2@jpi-stillwatr-233-242.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:52] even if we upload a fixed version, the user needs to know the magic incantation [04:52] so while a mistake is unlikely, the impact of one can be extremely severe [04:53] Yeah. It's a harmless hack, but I'm also a bit wary of touching it at all when we know it (more or less) works. [04:53] and meanwhile, it is a cosmetic bug [04:53] I'm not dead set against it, but it makes me itch [04:53] Heh. [04:54] Well, I can deal with a cosmetic bug here and there. [04:54] So perhaps we should just let it be. [04:54] More curious is WHY the loading modules stage takes so effin' long on a select few systems. [04:54] The initramfs isn't really doing much of anything there. [04:54] I need to find a system where it takes more than 2 seconds, so I can at least see it happening. [04:55] One submitter claims it happens "only on k7 sysems", but that datapoint seems suspect. :) === bur[n] e1 [n=norml@c-67-173-243-73.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aigarius [n=aigarius@159.148.239.80] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax7-105.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _maydayjay_ [n=maydayja@ip101109.101.nas.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:25] infinity: plenty of SCSI systems will take a long time there [05:25] since it'll scan the bus [05:27] yo mdz [05:27] is there something wrong with the archive? [05:29] hmm, it might just be the us mirror === pounk__ is now known as PounK [05:31] wiki authentication and launchpad will be offline for approx. 20 mins in 15 minutes time unless anyone feels like bitching [05:31] mdz : True, but I think jbailey had feedback from some pure IDE users on this as well. [05:31] mdz : Either way, the timout would need to be increased for SCSI users. [05:31] jdub: sup [05:34] hmmm opera should warn users that their default ubuntu download requires some kdelibs [05:34] kubuntu people aren't affected [05:35] jsgotangco: the libqt3-mt bit? [05:36] yeah something like that [05:36] (i don't remember) === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:58] jsgotangco : Does their package not properly depend on libqt3-mt? [05:59] infinity: not for Breezy, no [05:59] jsgotangco : In which case, the problem isn't with them, it just with us lacking a really user-friendly way to install .debs with dependency resolution (though "dpkg -i *.deb && apt-get -f install" works fine) [05:59] crimsun : For breezy, what's the problem?... They haven't recompiled yet with gcc-4.0? [06:00] infinity: not sure about Breezy, but they don't depend on libqt3c102-mt for Hoary [06:01] They do for the breezy/etch download. Just grabbed it. [06:01] or libqt3c102 if it was non-multithreaded [06:01] ah, great. [06:01] Though they do scary and wrong things and depend on "libqt3-mt (>= 3.3.4) | libqt3c102-mt (>= 3.3.4)" === infinity shudders. [06:02] yikes [06:02] they do actually its nice to stray away from Konqueror to do all the stuff (sorry Riddell) [06:02] Still, they were built with gcc-4.0, so it will work fine on breezy. [06:02] it works fine [06:02] just the dependency [06:02] Right, that dependency resolution is our issue though, not theirs. :) [06:03] ahh [06:03] There was a recent thread on -devel about a simple GUI deb installer. [06:03] the static binaries re best at the moment though [06:03] Why? [06:03] What's so hard about "dpkg -i *.deb && apt-get -f install"? [06:03] (The latter being what will pull in the deps for you) [06:03] well its not a problem for me, but for other people i guess... [06:04] Anyhoe, I expect that if mvo finds a round tuit or two, this will be resolved in dapper. === glick [n=glickina@cpe-24-193-252-184.ucwphilly.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:07] excuse me i think gv is broken [06:08] i cant download xaw3dg when i try to install it [06:08] i get a 404 from the mirror [06:09] glick : If you're getting 404s from mirrors, you're probably in need of an "apt-get update" [06:10] infinity, i get this... [06:10] W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key [06:10] Try again. That's a transient error. [06:10] same thing [06:11] Oh, bah. us.archive has been pointed back at tds... [06:11] whats that mean? [06:11] glick : That means that mirror may (still) be broken. [06:12] damn :( [06:12] If you switch from us.archive to archive in your sources.list, you'll probably be fine. [06:13] thanks infinity, worked === jlj [n=agp@cpe-204-210-33-233.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Treenaks [n=martijn@tunnel986.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glick [n=glickina@cpe-24-193-252-184.ucwphilly.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Keybuk [n=scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-10-153-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub [n=jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.39.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:58] hmm, it looks mdz has discovered I'm an emacs user [07:58] I suddenly have a bunch of emacs bugs in my INBOX === Lathiat laughs [07:59] I knew you were an emacs user, though I hadn't yet made the connection of emacs user<->distro team [07:59] Keybuk : DOOM. [07:59] someone needs to care about emacs around here [08:00] mdz: rm -rf pool/main/e/emacs* will do :) === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:00] nothing more efficient :) === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:02] mdz: your way of assigning bugs to me is impressive.. out of 4 i can probably fix 1 [08:02] fabbione: bzrk was written in emacs ... think about that before you criticise [08:02] mdz: i have no printers, never used LDAP or perl :) [08:02] fabbione: I have faith in you [08:03] Keybuk: *cough*meh*cough* [08:03] mdz: ahahha [08:03] Keybuk: bzrk looks quite impressive & shiny [08:03] mdz: can i quote that?? [08:04] fabbione: a) that's not a printing bug, it's about adding a package to main (and possibly desktop). there is nothing in it that requires access to a printer [08:04] mdz: i didn't even read all of them yet :) just looking in my inbox :) [08:04] bzrk? [08:04] mdz: don't worry.. i will work on them [08:04] fabbione: b) that's not an ldap bug, it's an autofs bug. and nobody uses autofs :-) [08:04] mdz: just tickleing your reassign power :) [08:04] fabbione: c) that's not a perl bug; it's a perl-tk bug. perl-tk is a C module [08:04] mdz: exactly... i don't use autofs either :P [08:05] Lathiat: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/software/bzrk.png [08:05] mdz: it still contains perl in the name.. ;) [08:05] oh, nifty [08:05] mdz: don't worry tho.. i will look at them.. i just love to see how much you really love me :P [08:06] Meh, I need to de-yada libnss-db, too. [08:07] we have tk in main?? [08:07] first i need to polish some d-i stuff for partman-auto-lvm === Kaloz [n=kaloz@arrakis.dune.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spear [n=vircuser@d80-170-29-41.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:13] hi ! [08:15] Good morning! [08:15] "Indeed, it's become something of a joke that the only things you can't avoid in life are death, taxes and Ubuntu reviews." [08:15] i can't find what exactly is required by Usplash ... what kernel options ? Same as for Bootsplash ? I checked the readme, nothing's told ... i use a home-built kernel ... i'll try to contact Paul Sladen, but if anybody has an idea ? [08:15] thank gods I'd just finished my coffee [08:16] spear: just "splash" with a kernel framebuffer ... usplash is an entirely user-space solution, no kernel patches [08:16] try #ubuntu [08:16] thank you Keybuk [08:17] sorry daniels for annoying, but no one seems to know nowhere, in ubuntu-fr, ubuntu and even on the forum ... and documentation is non existing :( [08:18] morning pitti [08:18] i think i'll make the documentation myself and put it on the wiki [08:18] Hey ajmitch, how's it going? [08:18] good, how are you today? [08:18] spear: documentation is always most welcome [08:19] so, for a freshly downloaded kernel from kernel.org, framebuffer and splash kernel options are the only needed ? === spear thinks he should become a developer ... it's so quiet here ... :) [08:21] spear : You need initramfs support in the kernel too, since usplash is started from an initramfs. === Valandil [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-092-214.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:24] ok, so initramfs, framebuffer & splash ... that's all ? [08:24] s/splash/ [08:25] You don't build with any splash options, you just need "splash" on the command line. [08:25] oh, ok ! [08:25] so framebuffer & initramfs are the only options required [08:26] Yup. [08:27] thank you for your patience, i imagine if everyone comes here and ask support questions, you'll get mad ... it was really because i didn't find some documentation that i came here, and i thank you === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zakame@unaffiliated/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:31] so, finally i conclude that usplash is totally different from " bootsplash ", a new program in fact (and it has nothing to do with the bootsplash prerequisites then) [08:31] spear : yes, I think that was mentioned by Keybuk. [08:32] spear : usplash is an application that runs in uderspace and writes to a framebuffer. bootsplash is an intrusive kernel patch that does scary things we didn't really want to do. === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1AE1.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:32] good morning === bytee_ [n=byte@pentafluge.infradead.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:33] good morning ! [08:34] whereas solutions like gensplash run in ber space [08:34] splashy runs in unterspace, though [08:34] Die. [08:35] is usplash developed for ubuntu? when i google usplash the entire first page is ubuntu related :)_ [08:35] yes [08:35] highvoltage : yes. [08:35] i read something about Upower in the development pages, it seems to be linked ? [08:38] No. Two entirely different projects. [08:38] ok, so i misunderstood [08:40] but it works on the same " objective " as usplash does, no ? === CaiN_SA [n=cain@rrba-146-124-16.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-167-38.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:00] have a good day ! thanks ! === spear [n=vircuser@d80-170-29-41.cust.tele2.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === daniels [n=daniels@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:03] Morning all [09:08] Hi sivang === Gman_ is now known as GmanAFK === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:10] pitti: Hey Martin, how are you ? [09:10] fine, thanks! and you? [09:13] pitti: not bad myself :) === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === maradong [n=bhentges@ydvlwt1-245-142.uibk.ac.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:24] good morning everybody! [09:25] evening siretart === pef [n=loic@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-130-224.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:26] hello === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:41] Hi mvo [09:41] hey pitti === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:51] yo zyga [09:51] hello sivang === wickedpuppy [n=wickedpu@cm25.epsilon165.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kamion [n=cjwatson@83-216-156-196.colinw664.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:57] Kamion: is there any particular reason why, in second-stage if they have configured network, we couldn't download the "better" kernel from the network and install it for them? [09:58] does a "better" kernel actually make any noticable difference? [09:58] quite a bit, depending on the system [09:58] yeh? what commonly? [09:59] performance, generally; the kernel can use more cpu tricks === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d5152D086.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:04] Keybuk: the kernel is big and you might be on a slow pipe? what if you are installing N boxes at the same time? [10:04] Keybuk: that will mostlikely kill your bw === stub [n=stub@costello.z3u.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:05] we already have that bite for language packs though [10:05] Keybuk: no code exists for anything remotely like that *shrug* [10:05] and if they have configured network in the second stage, they probably have it in the first stage === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-13-254.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:06] Kamion: yo.. i am preparing the mail to debian-boot. Please don't spend more time on trying to get diffs out of google cache [10:06] Kamion: they miss the steps from ubuntu2 to other revisions... [10:06] Kamion: :/ [10:06] Kamion: right, but is there any particular reason we couldn't do that (in either stage?) [10:06] i noticed too late [10:07] fabbione: I wasn't going to spend any more time on it :) [10:07] Kamion: perfect :) [10:07] Keybuk: just the download delay thing [10:07] and more complexity, etc. that step fails quite often as it is === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@67.15.185.40] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:08] actually, it can't be done at that point in the first stage - haven't set up sources.list yet [10:08] so it would have to be in the second stage, which means you need an extra reboot to get your system to its final state, which I'd like to avoid [10:08] basically "not now, maybe later once we've reorganised lots of stuff" :-) === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wickedpuppy2 [n=wickedpu@cm25.epsilon165.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === silbs [n=jane@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carstenh [n=carstenh@mkfw.fh-trier.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _native_ [n=zombie@cpe-66-87-4-181.ut.sprintbbd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@dhcp-75-252.uni-paderborn.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i577B085D.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@243.Red-83-47-24.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:19] lifeless: great, bzr push now seems to ignore unknowns. Thanks! [11:19] Keybuk: ^ that means your bzr-push is now obsolete === koke [n=koke@169.Red-217-127-113.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@85.194.14.142] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:24] pitti: well, when it's actually folded into bzr proper [11:24] my bzr-push has other bugs though, it's not perfect [11:24] (it rsyncs local changes, for example) [11:24] Keybuk: well, bzrtools' push is good enough for me now [11:24] the old one was annoying [11:26] bzr is developing quite rapidly [11:27] yes, it's nice - you report a bug, and lifeless tells you "ah, I fixed it yesterday" [11:27] :-) [11:27] <\sh> hmmm [11:27] heh, I had one of those the other day [11:27] hehe :-) [11:27] a bug was really annoying me, so I went into the code to fix it [11:27] pulled first to make sure I was up to date [11:27] and realised the bug had gone [11:27] <\sh> default breezy (gnome) install...ff -> the default page is missing [11:27] cool [11:28] \sh: ? WFM [11:28] <\sh> pitti: I installed just now a new 5.10 and the default homepage in ubuntu-artwork is just missing [11:28] odd [11:28] <\sh> index-ubuntu.html [11:29] odd [11:29] <\sh> better it's a kubuntu-desktop issue [11:29] <\sh> where is the link [11:29] <\sh> where is the divert? [11:29] Keybuk: bzr-tools doesn't appear to be packaged, though [11:29] Mithrandir: it's in jbailey's snapshots thing [11:30] I should hunt down that sources.list line, then [11:31] people/~jbailey/snapshot/bzr [11:31] I think [11:32] is in there as bzrtools [11:32] Mithrandir: yes, and it is called "bzrtools" (without the dash) [11:33] woah, that was a lot of mail to read today... [11:33] morning [11:33] Hi ogra [11:33] sadly not in breezy :) [11:33] morning ogra [11:33] <\sh> moins ogra [11:33] how are you? [11:33] ogra: I agree, yesterday's and today's mail flood was amazing.. [11:33] :) === \sh needs to configure evolution :( [11:33] plenty of discussion on the UVF ideas === wickedpuppy2 [n=wickedpu@cm25.epsilon165.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:34] yup [11:34] heh [11:34] first time I've posted to -devel for awhile :) [11:35] JaneW: guess what. telkom now tells me that they don't know when they'll have adsl in my area, and that i should call them back every three months to check. [11:36] highvoltage: that's just ridiculous [11:36] highvoltage: move to a normal area? ;) [11:36] hey JaneW [11:36] i complained to them for 10 minutes, and they're help desk agent put me on hold... for the same amount of time...so i just hang up [11:36] and sent them a loooong e-mail. [11:36] highvoltage: sounds like NZ :) [11:37] hi sivang [11:37] oops, thought i was in #edubuntu there [11:37] ajmitch: it can't be *that* bad in NZ ;) [11:38] highvoltage: close enough [11:38] mvo: ping [11:38] zyga: pong [11:38] mvo: are you running non-english locale? [11:39] sivang: thanks for your mail about "gdebi", the code is availabe as a bzr branch if you are interessted [11:39] zyga: no, usually not [11:39] mvo: run firefox and check help->'translate this application' [11:39] zyga: sometimes for testing [11:39] mvo: it's not translated even though every other application has this translated alreday [11:39] mvo: I know that firefox uses different i18n tools [11:39] mvo: is there any way to fix this? [11:40] zyga: let me check. IIRC sivang or seb128 did the ff integration [11:40] sure [11:40] mvo: :) I'm interested in opening .debs for inspecting their to be installed conffiles, as per SetupSnapshots. (would greatly appriciate your feedback there as well, although the specs are not finished yet) [11:42] zyga, mvo: it's not translated [11:43] k, now on how to fix this [11:43] ff is using some strange xul stuff right? [11:43] good luck [11:43] correct [11:43] and translation don't use gettext [11:43] and when I marked the string as translatable it crashed with translation packages since they don't have it [11:44] bah [11:44] seb128: Bon Jour :) how are you? [11:44] hi [11:44] fine [11:44] you? [11:45] good, thanks. [11:46] hey, wont we have a dapper-changes list ? there is nothing on lists.ubuntu.com yet === herzi [n=herzi@c141010.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:46] is dapper open for uploads? [11:46] no idea, but i'd like to subscribe to the list ... [11:47] if not, why should we already have a list? [11:47] to finish the bureaucracy in advance ? [11:47] what about letting time to jdub or whoever to do that? [11:47] bah... :) === magnon [n=co@photogeeks/magnon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shawarma [n=sh@3E6B503C.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:50] mvo, seb128: is anyone on that ff-i18n bug? [11:50] you? :) [11:51] zyga: no, but we are happy about volunteers :) === sivang stays away from stuff that are named like alien charachters "Xul" :-) [11:52] mvo: I don't know jack about xul - I don't know how to fix it at all === seb128 suggests using epiphany-browser, it has a nice GUI using GTK with correct translations :) [11:52] mvo: is this similar to an extension? [11:52] seb128: I am using epiphany :-) [11:53] mvo: extension can ship with their own translations AFAIK [11:53] but we'd neet to roll all translations into that integration package (again bad thing) [11:54] mvo: OTOH, what do you think about that mockup of mine? [11:54] zyga: I haven't read the rational (complettly) yet. it looks like this is going to be quite a development efford [11:55] mvo: not really, no [11:55] mvo: without others to support this it'll be a dead idea anyway [11:55] hmm [11:55] maybe today I shall update my desktop to breezy [11:56] mvo: I plan to develop 100% of the backend support, initial repo with all of ubuntu's translations, a gui tool and the evangelization [11:56] once that is packaged and working I'll try to convince one group I cooperate with to use this [11:57] zyga: ok (/me goes and reads the blog now) [11:57] mvo: wait [11:57] zyga: ok [11:57] mvo: I was about to update with current progress and other stuff [11:58] mvo: I'll let you know [11:58] zyga: ok, thanks. I'll wait for your ping then :) === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d5152D086.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ploum [n=ploum@85.201.2.96] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vuntz_ [n=vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:10] ogra: yeah! dapper-changes! === jdub potters off to create the list [12:10] jdub: is it there? [12:10] ah [12:10] cool ! [12:10] jdub: can you migrate the breezy-changes subscriptions? [12:12] oh yay [12:13] jdub: there'll be a separate list for autosyncs (if they happen)? [12:13] pitti: yep [12:13] ajmitch: hmm [12:14] I think you split the list for breezy at one point [12:14] otherwise our poor mailboxes will hurt [12:14]