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| jsgotangco | hi all | 03:43 |
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| mhz | jsgotangco: I subscribed to ML and read about DocumentationTeam. Also i read about a WikiTeam | 03:43 |
| jsgotangco | well there's a small group that actually clean up the wiki (not change content) | 03:43 |
| mhz | is that part of same ML? | 03:44 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 03:44 |
| jsgotangco | its a subgroup of the docteam | 03:44 |
| mhz | oh, I see. | 03:44 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: so, basically, any time I clean up wiki pages towards more wiki like code, I am being part of WikiTeam ? :) | 03:45 |
| jsgotangco | sure coordinate with people like mdke and robitaille they're wiki people... | 03:46 |
| jsgotangco | and Madpilot | 03:46 |
| Madpilot | mhz: you can't escape being part of the WikiTeam! ;) | 03:46 |
| mhz | lol | 03:46 |
| jsgotangco | ahh i see dapper seeds... | 03:47 |
| mhz | Madpilot: when you specify on WikiTeam ToDo's " Convert all pages to MoinMoin Syntax and deactivate the other input methods"... | 03:48 |
| mhz | especifically, does that involve CamelCasingPages? | 03:48 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: seeds? already? | 03:49 |
| jsgotangco | not necessarily | 03:49 |
| Madpilot | mhz: as far as I know, that's basically what it means, yes. | 03:49 |
| jsgotangco | sometimes you'll get ridiculous titles with CameCase | 03:49 |
| Madpilot | there doesn't seem to be a lot of old-wiki markup left | 03:50 |
| === Madpilot is not a huge fan of CamelCase; it's hard to type and looks funny... | ||
| mhz | Madpilot: but based on the ML discussion and my talk to mdke, CamelCase is not a real favourite here. | 03:50 |
| mhz | exactly | 03:50 |
| mhz | So, how should one understand this? | 03:51 |
| jsgotangco | CamelCase is useful but can be limiting | 03:51 |
| === mhz is not stupid, it's just he spent more than a year wiking pages (into moin) | ||
| mhz | jsgotangco: i agree | 03:51 |
| mhz | so, basically, it's the 'librarian' personal judgment to decide? | 03:52 |
| jsgotangco | nice | 03:55 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: unvelievably.. I agree with you on not using Moin to fulfil the Ubuntu goal. | 03:57 |
| mhz | So now, soon enough, I'll have to learn DocBook and Bazaar | 03:58 |
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| jsgotangco | bleahhh | 05:22 |
| Madpilot | hmm? | 05:23 |
| jsgotangco | something is borked in kubuntu... | 05:23 |
| jsgotangco | it doesn't even load my usb stick | 05:23 |
| jsgotangco | its still too loud too | 05:25 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 05:25 |
| Madpilot | Kubuntu is too loud? huh? | 05:25 |
| jsgotangco | i should disable the sound events | 05:26 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: is kde set to 'auto-mount' or manual? | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | its supposed to auto-mount dohhhh | 05:35 |
| jsgotangco | the previous version did | 05:35 |
| mhz | could you try 'manula' mounting? | 05:35 |
| mhz | 'manula' = manual | 05:35 |
| jsgotangco | i'll try that later | 05:37 |
| jsgotangco | need to sort things out first with the kubuntu docs (reviewing them now) | 05:37 |
| === mhz letting jsgotangco work | ||
| jsgotangco | the kde docs are very nicely formatted | 05:38 |
| jsgotangco | Automounting | 05:38 |
| jsgotangco | If you are sick of hunting for where your CD-ROM and Memory stick are setup, in Kubuntu 5.10, these are automounted for ease of use. | 05:39 |
| jsgotangco | An error occurred while loading media:/sda1: | 05:39 |
| jsgotangco | The file or folder media:/sda1 does not exist. | 05:39 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 05:39 |
| mhz | hehehe | 05:39 |
| mhz | lol | 05:39 |
| jsgotangco | oh my god Katapult is great | 05:40 |
| mhz | AFAIK, it shoul not exist when we talk about automounting | 05:40 |
| mhz | /media/something should be autogenerated | 05:40 |
| mhz | right? | 05:40 |
| jsgotangco | right | 05:44 |
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| spear | hi ! | 08:03 |
| jsgotangco | hi there | 08:23 |
| spear | :) | 08:24 |
| spear | i'm trying to grab documentation about usplash from the development team | 08:25 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 08:25 |
| jsgotangco | documentation is always welcome | 08:25 |
| jsgotangco | :) | 08:25 |
| jsgotangco | what we lack at the moment are developer docs | 08:25 |
| jsgotangco | (but most debian docs apply) | 08:25 |
| jsgotangco | you might be interested to join in the meeting on the 21st at 14UTC | 08:26 |
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| spear | i belong to the french translation team, so partly documentation, but i'll send feedback if i get some :) | 08:28 |
| spear | i'm requesting information about Usplash | 08:30 |
| spear | i needed to install it on a home built kernel, but it's so poorly documented i did't know what the prerequisites are ??? | 08:30 |
| Madpilot | hi robitaille | 08:31 |
| spear | i have the information :) | 08:31 |
| robitaille | Hello Madpilot | 08:32 |
| robitaille | I still can't believe that the way to list to Lessig talk on free culture is via a flash presentation (http://lessig.org/freeculture/) | 08:34 |
| robitaille | the best way...alternate ways are via mp3 and powerpoint slides... | 08:34 |
| Madpilot | oops. So much for 'free culture', hmmm? | 08:35 |
| robitaille | since my "free week" is up on my laptop, maybe I should reinstall flash just for this. | 08:37 |
| rob^ | hi | 08:40 |
| Madpilot | robitaille: so how did your "free week" go? | 08:40 |
| robitaille | it was fine. I'm goingb to briefly blog abo0ut before gonig to bed. The only thing I notice was flash; for that presenation, and a couple of other web sites I visited. Everything else I used was available in the main and universe repos. | 08:41 |
| Burgundavia | robitaille, Lessig also uses a non-free wiki | 08:44 |
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| sladen | spear: I don't know there is much. there is the specs and the source code | 09:07 |
| spear | i asked the development team : all that is needed is framebuffer & initramfs in the kernel | 09:11 |
| spear | Hi Paul, thought you were in Finland or something like that ? | 09:13 |
| spear | i wanted to contact you about Usplash, visiting you homepage, but i thought you were busy, or maybe i'm too shy :D | 09:16 |
| sladen | spear: if you looked at my away message, you probably noticed that I'm currently in Helsinki ;-) | 09:18 |
| sladen | spear: what would you like? | 09:19 |
| spear | i only wanted to know about Usplash what the prerequisites were once you use a home-built kernel (not an Ubuntu all made kernel) ; but i asked to the development channel, excusing about annoying them, and they kindly told me that in a new kernel, initramfs and framebuffer are the only required things that need to be activated in the kernel for usplash to work | 09:20 |
| sladen | there is nothing in the kernel at all for usplash | 09:22 |
| sladen | usplash == user-splash | 09:22 |
| spear | :D | 09:22 |
| sladen | done entirely in userspace | 09:22 |
| sladen | all it wants is a framebuffer | 09:22 |
| spear | darn, so these options aren't required either ? | 09:22 |
| sladen | vga16fb (16 colours) is used because that's the only one that also gives us hibernate and suspend | 09:23 |
| sladen | what options? | 09:23 |
| spear | kernel options ? | 09:23 |
| spear | frambuffer & initramfs have to be activated ? | 09:23 |
| sladen | you need to pass the 'splash' otherwise usplash doesn't know that it should start | 09:23 |
| sladen | and you need to pass 'vga=' so that the kernel knows which video mode to use | 09:23 |
| sladen | ...not all of the options on the commandline are used by the kernel, several are passed through to the programs starting up the system | 09:24 |
| spear | i think that, like many, things that got me confused about Usplash is that i looked after splash things, and read about bootsplash, and as mentioned on the dev channel, i should forget everything about bootsplash (kernel patches, options in the kernel) because it has nothing to do with Usplash | 09:25 |
| sladen | correct | 09:25 |
| spear | i'll try to be clear and repeat it on our french sections : usplash has nothing to do with bootsplash (and it is not a fork) | 09:26 |
| sladen | oui | 09:26 |
| spear | :) | 09:26 |
| spear | merci Paul pour votre patience | 09:26 |
| === spear watches Paul's level of french understanding | ||
| sladen | spear: merci, et pardon je petite Francais ;-) | 09:26 |
| spear | :) thanks Paul | 09:27 |
| === spear has to change his reply on hiw own post on ubuntuforums where he says he found framebuffer & initramfs are required ... correction | ||
| spear | can i say in the post i contacted you and you clarified things or should i only mention i found the answer on the channel ? | 09:28 |
| spear | (the irc channel, not on a ferry boat bringing me to UK to ask you directly the question (and as you're in Helskinki ...)) | 09:29 |
| sladen | spear: I don't mind | 09:29 |
| sladen | :) | 09:29 |
| sladen | sur la Marche dans la Eurostar | 09:30 |
| sladen | l'Eurostar I think | 09:30 |
| spear | la Manche ! | 09:30 |
| spear | marche is " step " | 09:30 |
| spear | i'll take the Eurostar next week to visit London :) | 09:31 |
| spear | I livein Lille | 09:31 |
| sladen | ooh, I pass through there from time-to-time. Normally to/from Brussels. | 09:31 |
| sladen | and I have a friend in Gent, so if I leave it too late to go Gent->Brussel I take the slow train across the border (Toursca?) and then try to blag my way on at Lille | 09:32 |
| spear | Gent is a hard time because not many speak french there ... | 09:33 |
| spear | i remember, years ago, i was called (am a technician) to fix a computer in a shop selling Whool ... the employee didn't speak french, and MS-DOS was in flamand (kinda dutch) ... nightmare :) | 09:34 |
| spear | what's the weather like in Helsinki ? | 09:36 |
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| spear | so | 10:15 |
| jsgotangco | so? | 10:15 |
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| spear | :) | 10:15 |
| spear | soso | 10:15 |
| spear | thanks, bye ! | 10:23 |
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| silbs | hi folks | 05:37 |
| silbs | is there any doc on the oem installer? couldn't find it on the wiki | 05:37 |
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| mdke | silbs, don't think so | 06:16 |
| silbs | mdke: thanks | 06:16 |
| jjesse | argh froud pisses me off sometimes (see his last email) | 06:22 |
| mdke | silbs, np sorry i didn't have a better answer :) | 06:22 |
| mdke | jjesse, yes, speak to Riddell and sort it out | 06:22 |
| mdke | there is no point allowing him to make "plans" about kubuntu documentation without going through the people who are doing the work (yourself and Riddell) | 06:22 |
| jjesse | mdke: working on a reply to the group and copying Riddell in on it | 06:23 |
| mdke | k | 06:23 |
| Riddell | hmm? | 06:26 |
| jjesse | frustrating email to the doc list, i'll forward it on to you | 06:27 |
| jjesse | Riddell: did you merge branches/breezy/kde back to trunk/kde? | 06:29 |
| Riddell | jjesse: nope, I'll try and do that now | 06:29 |
| jjesse | what's going on with the previews on doc.ubuntu.com not working for any of tthem | 06:31 |
| mdke | not working in what sense? | 06:33 |
| apokryphos | check the links | 06:33 |
| mdke | ah i see | 06:33 |
| mdke | fucking hell | 06:33 |
| mdke | someone has changed the index.html | 06:33 |
| mdke | mental note: get backups | 06:34 |
| mdke | ok will sort it at some stage | 06:38 |
| jjesse | apokryphos: just submitted your patch | 06:44 |
| apokryphos | cool, thanks | 06:44 |
| apokryphos | Not sure if you guys want to use it, but on kde docs we have a docbook sanitizer which comes in very handy (and you could use): http://englishbreakfastnetwork.org/sanitizer/ | 06:45 |
| apokryphos | not *as* useful since your markup is a *lot* less strict than the kde docbook, but it could be good for a consistency with particular word-spellings etc | 06:45 |
| jjesse | apokryphos: thanklook into its ill | 06:45 |
| mdke | bookmarked | 06:46 |
| jjesse | me as well | 06:47 |
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| WaterSevenUb | hi | 07:14 |
| WaterSevenUb | jbailey, could you please look to http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18050 | 07:15 |
| Riddell | jjesse: I got distracted by 3.5beta2 and I'm off out now but poke me if I don't put them in svn this evening | 07:22 |
| jjesse | Riddell: no worries is it easy to upgrade to kde 3.5 beta 2? | 07:23 |
| WaterSevenUb | jbailey, I'll ping you tomorrow... g go.. | 07:31 |
| jbailey | I've taken 18050, I'll look at it. | 07:33 |
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| mdke | hi jjesse | 09:40 |
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| froud | mdke: ping | 09:49 |
| mdke | hi | 09:52 |
| froud | I am concerned about branches/breezy and trunk drift | 09:52 |
| mdke | ok | 09:53 |
| froud | it's getting hard to merge back to trunk | 09:53 |
| mdke | getting? | 09:53 |
| mdke | nothing has changed really in the branch | 09:53 |
| froud | yah the number of conflicts arising in increasing | 09:53 |
| mdke | ok | 09:54 |
| mdke | well feel free to help out with the merge | 09:54 |
| froud | the branch was created at 1771 | 09:54 |
| mdke | will you be involved in -docs stuff in the future? | 09:54 |
| froud | as the gap between 1771 and HEAD grows it will be more and more difficult to resolve the problems | 09:55 |
| froud | I am going to try merge back now | 09:55 |
| mdke | please speak to jbailey before doing that | 09:55 |
| froud | you can still use branches/breezy | 09:55 |
| mdke | sure i know | 09:55 |
| froud | just we need to merge back to trunk more often | 09:55 |
| froud | is jbailey working in trunk on something? | 09:56 |
| froud | ping jbailey | 09:56 |
| froud | :-( Oh no | 09:56 |
| froud | D trunk/gnome/aboutubuntu/ca/about-ubuntu-ca.omf | 09:57 |
| froud | D trunk/gnome/aboutubuntu/ca/Makefile | 09:57 |
| froud | D trunk/gnome/aboutubuntu/ca | 09:57 |
| froud | D trunk/gnome/aboutubuntu/ca | 09:57 |
| froud | error (1) | 09:57 |
| froud | that's the second time it has failed | 09:57 |
| === mdke shrugs | ||
| froud | Arhgghh | 09:57 |
| mdke | what is the problem? | 09:57 |
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| froud | was anyone taking care of the branches/breezy to trunk diff | 09:58 |
| mdke | i think that jeff will do it | 09:58 |
| froud | when last did he try do it | 09:59 |
| froud | I cant get the merge to work | 09:59 |
| froud | svn merge -r 1771:HEAD https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/breezy trunk | 09:59 |
| mdke | he may not have tried yet | 09:59 |
| mdke | froud, you didn't answer my question about working on -docs in the future | 09:59 |
| froud | We may have a problem :-( | 09:59 |
| froud | I do stuff when I can and when I see a way to do so without conflict | 10:00 |
| froud | my itches are not those of the others | 10:00 |
| mdke | true | 10:00 |
| mdke | like "i am planning to do x, y, z with kubuntu-docs" | 10:01 |
| froud | what do you mean? | 10:01 |
| froud | x y z ? | 10:01 |
| froud | Ah you mean fork it out | 10:01 |
| mdke | http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2005-October/003901.html | 10:02 |
| froud | I just feel that kubuntu-docs does not do well in ubuntu | 10:02 |
| froud | the people here are focused on ubuntu not kubuntu | 10:02 |
| mdke | true | 10:02 |
| froud | from the past releases experience they dont care much for kubuntu | 10:02 |
| mdke | but your sudden appearance after several months of silence just saying "I am forking kubuntu docs and making them a subset of upstream kde" is odd | 10:03 |
| froud | as a result newbies comming to do kubuntu work are often left unloved | 10:03 |
| mdke | especially after the hard work of jjesse and Riddell | 10:03 |
| froud | no I have discussed this with kubuntu devel | 10:03 |
| froud | mdke: Riddell should remember me discussing the problems with kubuntu docs in Ubuntu svn | 10:04 |
| froud | the aim is to work in the good of kubuntu-docs | 10:05 |
| froud | its not a negative thing | 10:05 |
| froud | the sources will be open | 10:05 |
| froud | as they must | 10:05 |
| froud | and people who work only on kubuntu can get bandwdith | 10:05 |
| froud | The breaking of faqguide profiles was a big problem | 10:06 |
| mdke | whatever | 10:06 |
| froud | mdke: can you really say that staying in the ubuntu svn will benefit kubuntu-docs? | 10:07 |
| mdke | sure | 10:07 |
| mdke | the svn is completely irrelevant | 10:07 |
| froud | people like Riddell and jjesse can continue in another repository | 10:07 |
| mdke | there is nothing to stop the two trees from being separate | 10:07 |
| mdke | but there is absolutely not one single reason to have 2 repositories | 10:07 |
| froud | mdke: see this and tell me so https://mirror1.cvsdude.com/trac/techdocs/turbocash | 10:08 |
| mdke | ok i've had enough | 10:09 |
| froud | OK | 10:10 |
| froud | well, hop you will be OK with the merge back to trunk | 10:10 |
| mdke | thanks | 10:10 |
| froud | bye | 10:10 |
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| thechitowncubs | any of you use Network Profiles? | 10:57 |
| === mdke has finished setting up our new shiny server :) | ||
| mdke | no more linode slowness for us! | 11:35 |
| thechitowncubs | neato | 11:35 |
| mdke | hi thechitowncubs | 11:35 |
| mdke | thechitowncubs, did you see the recent stuff I posted to the list about the wiki, specifically wiki forum relations? | 11:36 |
| thechitowncubs | mdke: i'm reading it now | 11:39 |
| mdke | cool | 11:39 |
| mdke | thechitowncubs, basically the idea is to clean up the forum page and to make a decent and simple wiki guide | 11:40 |
| thechitowncubs | ya sounds good | 11:41 |
| thechitowncubs | i'll check out the Draft page | 11:41 |
| mdke | good on ya | 11:41 |
| mdke | are you still doing wiki work? | 11:42 |
| thechitowncubs | mdke: every once and a while | 11:42 |
| mdke | cool | 11:42 |
| mdke | thechitowncubs, can I ask you about the LP wiki team? | 11:43 |
| thechitowncubs | mdke: alrighty | 11:43 |
| mdke | thechitowncubs, who approved SteveMyers? | 11:44 |
| mdke | i think we need to set up a scheme for approval, to try and encourage people to get in touch with the docteam mailing list if they do wiki work/join that team | 11:45 |
| thechitowncubs | I approved him, has he done something wrong? | 11:45 |
| mdke | yeah | 11:45 |
| mdke | he did loads of random editing on the wiki, deleted our comments on his homepage, and hasn't answered my emails | 11:46 |
| mdke | in general, never contacted the doc team at all | 11:46 |
| thechitowncubs | Wow, do you want me to do anything about it? | 11:47 |
| mdke | IMO if we want to use the LP team for a concrete reason, I think we should use it to encourage people to come forward and engage in dialogue before approving them | 11:47 |
| mdke | most LP teams have a some barrier to entry | 11:47 |
| thechitowncubs | ya, sounds good, at the time when i got the email I hadn't been in touch for a while | 11:47 |
| mdke | that could be ours | 11:48 |
| ajmitch | eg MOTUs have to go through the TB grilling | 11:48 |
| mdke | also, perhaps saying that they have read and understood the guide when we finalise it | 11:48 |
| ajmitch | so a doc team grilling should be a good step | 11:48 |
| mdke | ajmitch, ++ | 11:48 |
| mdke | not a grilling, just a "come and talk to us" | 11:48 |
| thechitowncubs | That was the original reason for the approval scheme but I slipped a bit | 11:48 |
| mdke | because that SteveMyers guy really has ignored all our efforts to involve him | 11:48 |
| ajmitch | well, grilling in the sense of 'what do you want to do, and how?' | 11:48 |
| mdke | also read his homepage on the wiki | 11:49 |
| mdke | it contains a number of untruths (Ubuntu Forum Staff) and some weird stuff | 11:49 |
| mdke | ajmitch, yeah the translation teams also have a barrier to entry too | 11:49 |
| thechitowncubs | mdke: thats really odd | 11:50 |
| ajmitch | his writing skills are poor on his own wiki page | 11:50 |
| mdke | yeah, perhaps disactivate him with a nice message to get in touch with us at the docteam list | 11:50 |
| mdke | ajmitch, you should see the wiki pages he's created ;) | 11:50 |
| ajmitch | mdke: I shudder to think.. | 11:50 |
| thechitowncubs | mdke: no problem | 11:51 |
| mdke | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PostFix | 11:51 |
| ajmitch | CamelCase & all? | 11:51 |
| mdke | it gets worse as you go down | 11:51 |
| ajmitch | oh dear | 11:51 |
| mdke | i started tidying up the top and then just gave up | 11:51 |
| mdke | gtg to bed now | 11:51 |
| ajmitch | eek | 11:51 |
| ajmitch | that's one scary howto | 11:52 |
| mdke | lol | 11:52 |
| mdke | compare and contrast with this, by a complete newcomer who announced it nicely on the mailing list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mailman | 11:52 |
| mdke | (bed) | 11:52 |
| thechitowncubs | Alright I deactivated, we'll see if he really does want to get involved. | 11:53 |
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