=== mpt [n=mpt@201-26-76-37.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === judax [n=troy@adsl-70-240-14-115.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === trickie [n=trickie@203-217-29-64.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@201-26-76-37.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-doc ["http://mpt.net.nz/"] === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-41-127.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:43] hi all [03:43] jsgotangco: I subscribed to ML and read about DocumentationTeam. Also i read about a WikiTeam [03:43] well there's a small group that actually clean up the wiki (not change content) [03:44] is that part of same ML? [03:44] yes [03:44] its a subgroup of the docteam [03:44] oh, I see. [03:45] jsgotangco: so, basically, any time I clean up wiki pages towards more wiki like code, I am being part of WikiTeam ? :) [03:46] sure coordinate with people like mdke and robitaille they're wiki people... [03:46] and Madpilot [03:46] mhz: you can't escape being part of the WikiTeam! ;) [03:46] lol [03:47] ahh i see dapper seeds... [03:48] Madpilot: when you specify on WikiTeam ToDo's " Convert all pages to MoinMoin Syntax and deactivate the other input methods"... [03:48] especifically, does that involve CamelCasingPages? [03:49] jsgotangco: seeds? already? [03:49] not necessarily [03:49] mhz: as far as I know, that's basically what it means, yes. [03:49] sometimes you'll get ridiculous titles with CameCase [03:50] there doesn't seem to be a lot of old-wiki markup left === Madpilot is not a huge fan of CamelCase; it's hard to type and looks funny... [03:50] Madpilot: but based on the ML discussion and my talk to mdke, CamelCase is not a real favourite here. [03:50] exactly [03:51] So, how should one understand this? [03:51] CamelCase is useful but can be limiting === mhz is not stupid, it's just he spent more than a year wiking pages (into moin) [03:51] jsgotangco: i agree [03:52] so, basically, it's the 'librarian' personal judgment to decide? [03:55] nice [03:57] jsgotangco: unvelievably.. I agree with you on not using Moin to fulfil the Ubuntu goal. [03:58] So now, soon enough, I'll have to learn DocBook and Bazaar === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@port161-152.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Karl@ppp232-96.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:22] bleahhh [05:23] hmm? [05:23] something is borked in kubuntu... [05:23] it doesn't even load my usb stick [05:25] its still too loud too [05:25] hehe [05:25] Kubuntu is too loud? huh? [05:26] i should disable the sound events [05:34] jsgotangco: is kde set to 'auto-mount' or manual? [05:35] its supposed to auto-mount dohhhh [05:35] the previous version did [05:35] could you try 'manula' mounting? [05:35] 'manula' = manual [05:37] i'll try that later [05:37] need to sort things out first with the kubuntu docs (reviewing them now) === mhz letting jsgotangco work [05:38] the kde docs are very nicely formatted [05:38] Automounting [05:39] If you are sick of hunting for where your CD-ROM and Memory stick are setup, in Kubuntu 5.10, these are automounted for ease of use. [05:39] An error occurred while loading media:/sda1: [05:39] The file or folder media:/sda1 does not exist. [05:39] hehe [05:39] hehehe [05:39] lol [05:40] oh my god Katapult is great [05:40] AFAIK, it shoul not exist when we talk about automounting [05:40] /media/something should be autogenerated [05:40] right? [05:44] right === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.94.143] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jdub [n=jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === spear [n=vircuser@d80-170-29-41.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:03] hi ! [08:23] hi there [08:24] :) [08:25] i'm trying to grab documentation about usplash from the development team [08:25] ahhh [08:25] documentation is always welcome [08:25] :) [08:25] what we lack at the moment are developer docs [08:25] (but most debian docs apply) [08:26] you might be interested to join in the meeting on the 21st at 14UTC === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:28] i belong to the french translation team, so partly documentation, but i'll send feedback if i get some :) [08:30] i'm requesting information about Usplash [08:30] i needed to install it on a home built kernel, but it's so poorly documented i did't know what the prerequisites are ??? [08:31] hi robitaille [08:31] i have the information :) [08:32] Hello Madpilot [08:34] I still can't believe that the way to list to Lessig talk on free culture is via a flash presentation (http://lessig.org/freeculture/) [08:34] the best way...alternate ways are via mp3 and powerpoint slides... [08:35] oops. So much for 'free culture', hmmm? [08:37] since my "free week" is up on my laptop, maybe I should reinstall flash just for this. [08:40] hi [08:40] robitaille: so how did your "free week" go? [08:41] it was fine. I'm goingb to briefly blog abo0ut before gonig to bed. The only thing I notice was flash; for that presenation, and a couple of other web sites I visited. Everything else I used was available in the main and universe repos. [08:44] robitaille, Lessig also uses a non-free wiki === n1c0las [n=niklas@beryl.wknl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Karl@ppp238-149.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:07] spear: I don't know there is much. there is the specs and the source code [09:11] i asked the development team : all that is needed is framebuffer & initramfs in the kernel [09:13] Hi Paul, thought you were in Finland or something like that ? [09:16] i wanted to contact you about Usplash, visiting you homepage, but i thought you were busy, or maybe i'm too shy :D [09:18] spear: if you looked at my away message, you probably noticed that I'm currently in Helsinki ;-) [09:19] spear: what would you like? [09:20] i only wanted to know about Usplash what the prerequisites were once you use a home-built kernel (not an Ubuntu all made kernel) ; but i asked to the development channel, excusing about annoying them, and they kindly told me that in a new kernel, initramfs and framebuffer are the only required things that need to be activated in the kernel for usplash to work [09:22] there is nothing in the kernel at all for usplash [09:22] usplash == user-splash [09:22] :D [09:22] done entirely in userspace [09:22] all it wants is a framebuffer [09:22] darn, so these options aren't required either ? [09:23] vga16fb (16 colours) is used because that's the only one that also gives us hibernate and suspend [09:23] what options? [09:23] kernel options ? [09:23] frambuffer & initramfs have to be activated ? [09:23] you need to pass the 'splash' otherwise usplash doesn't know that it should start [09:23] and you need to pass 'vga=' so that the kernel knows which video mode to use [09:24] ...not all of the options on the commandline are used by the kernel, several are passed through to the programs starting up the system [09:25] i think that, like many, things that got me confused about Usplash is that i looked after splash things, and read about bootsplash, and as mentioned on the dev channel, i should forget everything about bootsplash (kernel patches, options in the kernel) because it has nothing to do with Usplash [09:25] correct [09:26] i'll try to be clear and repeat it on our french sections : usplash has nothing to do with bootsplash (and it is not a fork) [09:26] oui [09:26] :) [09:26] merci Paul pour votre patience === spear watches Paul's level of french understanding [09:26] spear: merci, et pardon je petite Francais ;-) [09:27] :) thanks Paul === spear has to change his reply on hiw own post on ubuntuforums where he says he found framebuffer & initramfs are required ... correction [09:28] can i say in the post i contacted you and you clarified things or should i only mention i found the answer on the channel ? [09:29] (the irc channel, not on a ferry boat bringing me to UK to ask you directly the question (and as you're in Helskinki ...)) [09:29] spear: I don't mind [09:29] :) [09:30] sur la Marche dans la Eurostar [09:30] l'Eurostar I think [09:30] la Manche ! [09:30] marche is " step " [09:31] i'll take the Eurostar next week to visit London :) [09:31] I livein Lille [09:31] ooh, I pass through there from time-to-time. Normally to/from Brussels. [09:32] and I have a friend in Gent, so if I leave it too late to go Gent->Brussel I take the slow train across the border (Toursca?) and then try to blag my way on at Lille [09:33] Gent is a hard time because not many speak french there ... [09:34] i remember, years ago, i was called (am a technician) to fix a computer in a shop selling Whool ... the employee didn't speak french, and MS-DOS was in flamand (kinda dutch) ... nightmare :) [09:36] what's the weather like in Helsinki ? === spear [n=vircuser@d80-170-29-41.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:15] so [10:15] so? === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@67.15.185.40] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:15] :) [10:15] soso [10:23] thanks, bye ! === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Karl@ppp208-196.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Karl@ppp203-89.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === n1c0las [n=niklas@beryl.wknl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@port163-86.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.93.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Karl@ppp219-94.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Karl@ppp219-94.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Karl@ppp242-127.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === silbs [n=sbsm0084@host86-129-107-185.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:37] hi folks [05:37] is there any doc on the oem installer? couldn't find it on the wiki === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] [06:16] silbs, don't think so [06:16] mdke: thanks [06:22] argh froud pisses me off sometimes (see his last email) [06:22] silbs, np sorry i didn't have a better answer :) [06:22] jjesse, yes, speak to Riddell and sort it out [06:22] there is no point allowing him to make "plans" about kubuntu documentation without going through the people who are doing the work (yourself and Riddell) [06:23] mdke: working on a reply to the group and copying Riddell in on it [06:23] k [06:26] hmm? [06:27] frustrating email to the doc list, i'll forward it on to you [06:29] Riddell: did you merge branches/breezy/kde back to trunk/kde? [06:29] jjesse: nope, I'll try and do that now [06:31] what's going on with the previews on doc.ubuntu.com not working for any of tthem [06:33] not working in what sense? [06:33] check the links [06:33] ah i see [06:33] fucking hell [06:33] someone has changed the index.html [06:34] mental note: get backups [06:38] ok will sort it at some stage [06:44] apokryphos: just submitted your patch [06:44] cool, thanks [06:45] Not sure if you guys want to use it, but on kde docs we have a docbook sanitizer which comes in very handy (and you could use): http://englishbreakfastnetwork.org/sanitizer/ [06:45] not *as* useful since your markup is a *lot* less strict than the kde docbook, but it could be good for a consistency with particular word-spellings etc [06:45] apokryphos: thanklook into its ill [06:46] bookmarked [06:47] me as well === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === segfault [i=carlos@prognus.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:14] hi [07:15] jbailey, could you please look to http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18050 [07:22] jjesse: I got distracted by 3.5beta2 and I'm off out now but poke me if I don't put them in svn this evening [07:23] Riddell: no worries is it easy to upgrade to kde 3.5 beta 2? [07:31] jbailey, I'll ping you tomorrow... g go.. [07:33] I've taken 18050, I'll look at it. === shadowoflinux [n=shadowof@host81-159-232-106.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rrowland__ [n=rrowland@adsl-068-016-117-074.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:40] hi jjesse === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === froud [n=froud@ndn-165-133-227.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:49] mdke: ping [09:52] hi [09:52] I am concerned about branches/breezy and trunk drift [09:53] ok [09:53] it's getting hard to merge back to trunk [09:53] getting? [09:53] nothing has changed really in the branch [09:53] yah the number of conflicts arising in increasing [09:54] ok [09:54] well feel free to help out with the merge [09:54] the branch was created at 1771 [09:54] will you be involved in -docs stuff in the future? [09:55] as the gap between 1771 and HEAD grows it will be more and more difficult to resolve the problems [09:55] I am going to try merge back now [09:55] please speak to jbailey before doing that [09:55] you can still use branches/breezy [09:55] sure i know [09:55] just we need to merge back to trunk more often [09:56] is jbailey working in trunk on something? [09:56] ping jbailey [09:56] :-( Oh no [09:57] D trunk/gnome/aboutubuntu/ca/about-ubuntu-ca.omf [09:57] D trunk/gnome/aboutubuntu/ca/Makefile [09:57] D trunk/gnome/aboutubuntu/ca [09:57] D trunk/gnome/aboutubuntu/ca [09:57] error (1) [09:57] that's the second time it has failed === mdke shrugs [09:57] Arhgghh [09:57] what is the problem? === whiprush [n=jorge@64.62.190.212] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:58] was anyone taking care of the branches/breezy to trunk diff [09:58] i think that jeff will do it [09:59] when last did he try do it [09:59] I cant get the merge to work [09:59] svn merge -r 1771:HEAD https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/breezy trunk [09:59] he may not have tried yet [09:59] froud, you didn't answer my question about working on -docs in the future [09:59] We may have a problem :-( [10:00] I do stuff when I can and when I see a way to do so without conflict [10:00] my itches are not those of the others [10:00] true [10:01] like "i am planning to do x, y, z with kubuntu-docs" [10:01] what do you mean? [10:01] x y z ? [10:01] Ah you mean fork it out [10:02] http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2005-October/003901.html [10:02] I just feel that kubuntu-docs does not do well in ubuntu [10:02] the people here are focused on ubuntu not kubuntu [10:02] true [10:02] from the past releases experience they dont care much for kubuntu [10:03] but your sudden appearance after several months of silence just saying "I am forking kubuntu docs and making them a subset of upstream kde" is odd [10:03] as a result newbies comming to do kubuntu work are often left unloved [10:03] especially after the hard work of jjesse and Riddell [10:03] no I have discussed this with kubuntu devel [10:04] mdke: Riddell should remember me discussing the problems with kubuntu docs in Ubuntu svn [10:05] the aim is to work in the good of kubuntu-docs [10:05] its not a negative thing [10:05] the sources will be open [10:05] as they must [10:05] and people who work only on kubuntu can get bandwdith [10:06] The breaking of faqguide profiles was a big problem [10:06] whatever [10:07] mdke: can you really say that staying in the ubuntu svn will benefit kubuntu-docs? [10:07] sure [10:07] the svn is completely irrelevant [10:07] people like Riddell and jjesse can continue in another repository [10:07] there is nothing to stop the two trees from being separate [10:07] but there is absolutely not one single reason to have 2 repositories [10:08] mdke: see this and tell me so https://mirror1.cvsdude.com/trac/techdocs/turbocash [10:09] ok i've had enough [10:10] OK [10:10] well, hop you will be OK with the merge back to trunk [10:10] thanks [10:10] bye === froud [n=froud@ndn-165-133-227.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] === mpt [n=mpt@201-26-76-37.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@201-26-76-37.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-doc ["http://mpt.net.nz/"] === thechitowncubs [n=thechito@c-67-175-52-127.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:57] any of you use Network Profiles? === mdke has finished setting up our new shiny server :) [11:35] no more linode slowness for us! [11:35] neato [11:35] hi thechitowncubs [11:36] thechitowncubs, did you see the recent stuff I posted to the list about the wiki, specifically wiki forum relations? [11:39] mdke: i'm reading it now [11:39] cool [11:40] thechitowncubs, basically the idea is to clean up the forum page and to make a decent and simple wiki guide [11:41] ya sounds good [11:41] i'll check out the Draft page [11:41] good on ya [11:42] are you still doing wiki work? [11:42] mdke: every once and a while [11:42] cool [11:43] thechitowncubs, can I ask you about the LP wiki team? [11:43] mdke: alrighty [11:44] thechitowncubs, who approved SteveMyers? [11:45] i think we need to set up a scheme for approval, to try and encourage people to get in touch with the docteam mailing list if they do wiki work/join that team [11:45] I approved him, has he done something wrong? [11:45] yeah [11:46] he did loads of random editing on the wiki, deleted our comments on his homepage, and hasn't answered my emails [11:46] in general, never contacted the doc team at all [11:47] Wow, do you want me to do anything about it? [11:47] IMO if we want to use the LP team for a concrete reason, I think we should use it to encourage people to come forward and engage in dialogue before approving them [11:47] most LP teams have a some barrier to entry [11:47] ya, sounds good, at the time when i got the email I hadn't been in touch for a while [11:48] that could be ours [11:48] eg MOTUs have to go through the TB grilling [11:48] also, perhaps saying that they have read and understood the guide when we finalise it [11:48] so a doc team grilling should be a good step [11:48] ajmitch, ++ [11:48] not a grilling, just a "come and talk to us" [11:48] That was the original reason for the approval scheme but I slipped a bit [11:48] because that SteveMyers guy really has ignored all our efforts to involve him [11:48] well, grilling in the sense of 'what do you want to do, and how?' [11:49] also read his homepage on the wiki [11:49] it contains a number of untruths (Ubuntu Forum Staff) and some weird stuff [11:49] ajmitch, yeah the translation teams also have a barrier to entry too [11:50] mdke: thats really odd [11:50] his writing skills are poor on his own wiki page [11:50] yeah, perhaps disactivate him with a nice message to get in touch with us at the docteam list [11:50] ajmitch, you should see the wiki pages he's created ;) [11:50] mdke: I shudder to think.. [11:51] mdke: no problem [11:51] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PostFix [11:51] CamelCase & all? [11:51] it gets worse as you go down [11:51] oh dear [11:51] i started tidying up the top and then just gave up [11:51] gtg to bed now [11:51] eek [11:52] that's one scary howto [11:52] lol [11:52] compare and contrast with this, by a complete newcomer who announced it nicely on the mailing list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mailman [11:52] (bed) [11:53] Alright I deactivated, we'll see if he really does want to get involved.