[12:36] sry guys, i asked a question earlier and then had to run out. I'm wondering what the terminal clients need to do to link up to the edubuntu terminal server. [12:38] they need to be able to PXE boot from the net if you dont want manual work involved... [12:38] and they need to be connected to the edubuntu server network wise indeed [12:39] i belive that they can. I've not tried that yet though, but i'll just need to make them boot pxe and the edubuntu server will handle dhcp ect [12:39] this will involve plenty of work on my end i belive. I'd like them to have web access and i already have another DHCP server on network that i'd like to keep [12:40] put a second network card in the server ;) [12:41] ogra: is etherboot acceptable? :) [12:41] http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes links to all necessary instructions to set up the server [12:41] ajmitch_, via a rom-o-matic image, yes [12:42] I've been thinking about second nic, and it seems like my only option though the logistics are impossible if I want to do this right [12:43] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/ThinClientHowtoNAT has the necessary info for the setup :) [12:43] heh, I've been reading and reading. I appreciate your time though [12:45] if you follow the above two docs and come back if you have questions, it should be straight forward to set up :) [12:45] ok, thx [12:45] yore welcome :) [12:46] *youre even [01:01] has anyone had any luck with a HP Deskjet 3845 Printer? === pitux [n=pitux@249-181-222-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === magnon [n=co@photogeeks/magnon] has joined #edubuntu === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.93.214] has joined #edubuntu === KRomeleoN [i=pathetic@ool-18be3ef6.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:40] hey === ogra [n=ogra@p5089FF29.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=bimberi@DC-244-195.bpb.bigpond.com] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:35] hmm [02:35] http://ramnet.se/~nisse/diverse/temp/kidsthememock2.png [02:36] JaneW, ^ [02:36] from --> http://blogs.gnome.org/view/thos/2005/10/18/0 [02:59] anyone seen jeff elkner around? === ajmitch_ needs to talk to him about bad wiki info === bimberi [n=bimberi@DC-246-122.bpb.bigpond.com] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.240.248.160] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.240.248.160] has joined #edubuntu === herman__ [n=herman@messy.foodfight.org] has joined #edubuntu [03:30] ajmitch_, the packaging stuff? [03:31] yes [03:33] ajmitch_, is gournal from here packaged sanely? http://www.adebenham.com/debian/ === ajmitch_ doesn't have time to review it right now [03:33] ajmitch_, whenever [03:34] ajmitch_, if I ask you to do something big like that, I don't expect instant answers. I am not paying you for it. [03:34] I can say straight away that it's not packaged right [03:35] 0.4.1-1, with a native tar.gz === ogra [n=ogra@p5089CF04.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-83-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.91.16] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-83-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:12] moin, you all [05:13] moin moin === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-83-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === mhz wanted to be present at UBZ :( [05:17] jsgotangco: are we all meeting at 12 UTC? [05:17] as always [05:17] jsgotangco: sorry, forget it, I just saw 'topic' :) [05:18] thx anyways === Topslakr [n=Topslakr@24-54-42-180.lndnnh.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu === mwest [n=mwest@tsl.uct.ac.za] has joined #edubuntu === dabaR [n=dabaR@wnpgmb02dc1-148-148.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #edubuntu === \sh_away [n=sh@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #edubuntu === dabaR [n=dabaR@wnpgmb02dc1-148-148.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #edubuntu === mwest [n=mwest@tsl.uct.ac.za] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-10-153-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@p5089D33B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === mhz needs some rest to be back for meeting === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.240.248.160] has joined #edubuntu === Grant_ [n=grant@85-210-177-222.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #edubuntu === stuporglue [n=mrm72@monsters.cs.byu.edu] has joined #edubuntu [08:24] IS there a list somewhere of what software is included in Edubuntu? Or what's on Edubuntu that's not in Ubuntu? === jane_ [n=JaneW@wbs-146-177-226.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [08:48] hi all [08:49] hey jane_ [08:49] how are you doing? [08:49] hi jsgotangco, well thanks and you? === jane_ waits for JaneW to die [08:51] err just do /msg nickserv ghost nick password [08:51] jane_: /msg nickserv ghost JaneW (will, um, kill her :) ) [08:51] Hi there [08:51] jane_, slacking :) [08:51] IS there a list somewhere of what software is included in [08:52] Edubuntu? Or what's on Edubuntu that's not in Ubuntu? [08:52] stuporglue, its basically the same except the default install is different [08:52] and has the kde-edu apps [08:52] as well as blender, tuxmath and hrmmm so more kiddie apps by bill kendrick [08:53] blender! [08:53] yes it installls blender by default [08:53] I see -- It might be nice to have a list of the different software it includes on the webpage, I couldn't find one anywhere. [08:53] i believe its on the wiki? [08:54] I haven't used blender for a couple of years but it was a bit of a learning curve :) [08:54] It is possible I could have missed it. === jsgotangco still doesn't understand 3D === bimberi doesn't really either [08:55] What's the target age of Edubuntu? [08:55] jane_, do we have BOF topics now? [08:55] i just got my rudimentary logo done and moved on [08:55] bimberi: cool thanks === jsgotangco checks the wiki [08:55] jane_: yw :) [08:56] jsgotangco: yes, but feel free to add more...https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero/BOFs [08:56] ahhh so there's no sched yet... [08:57] i could join a bof online if possible...but that means i'll have to wait for someone to save on the wiki === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [09:07] -4h 53m? === \sh_away is now known as \sh [10:07] I have a query from a Dutch guy asking about Edubuntu traslations... what's the status on the apps do we know how many are supported in other languages? [10:07] well ok it depends on his locales [10:08] if theres a ton of apps translated into dutch, it comes in [10:08] The Hague, Netherlands... [10:08] our Edubuntu basically inherits them from Ubuntu itself so... === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #edubuntu [10:08] JaneW, basically a lot [10:09] the major european languages are usually in [10:09] yup but that doesn;t cover the app [10:09] s [10:09] it does [10:09] really? [10:09] depends on the app really [10:09] ogra previously said only menus and help texts etc were covered [10:09] yup [10:09] well yes [10:09] obviously [10:09] its gnome at work [10:09] if its a non-gnome app, its a different story [10:09] makes it hard to respond though [10:10] cos either he has to reasearch all of the apps or I do :P [10:10] well [10:10] that's a big think [10:10] thing [10:10] you'll have to actually check upstream if needed [10:10] FUN [10:10] (not) [10:11] I wish I could clear my inbox at the speed it fills... and most messages need research before answering... [10:11] calls for a coffee break I think ;) [10:11] well you made yourself point of contact :) [10:11] morning [10:12] i could answer some, not all, but ogra is mr. edubuntu so... [10:12] JaneW, there mya be one or two apps that are not translated... but i'd say for duch we got more tan 90% coverage [10:13] did you guys see the /toipc ... JaneW ? [10:14] *topic [10:14] oohhh blog [10:19] ogra: great thanks === JaneW checks topic [10:20] lol [10:20] Edubuntu deprivation = child abuse! [10:22] :-D [10:22] check this blog entry of a friend of mine [10:22] http://clair.pinoyweb.net/?p=450 [10:25] jsgotangco: very nice :) [10:25] yep :) [10:25] well its actually a whole wallpaper from ubuntu-jp [10:25] ubuntulinux.jp/wiki/ArtWorksFolder/Ubuntu-tan_01-1280x1024.jpg [10:25] http://ubuntulinux.jp/wiki/ArtWorksFolder/Ubuntu-tan_01-1280x1024.jpg [10:27] hmmm... http://www.eschoolnews.com/eti/2005/10/001200.php [10:30] "Giving kids Linux in it's present state to teach them about computers is the equivalent of giving kids Maya software to teach them how to draw. [10:30] The only place where modern-day Linux would be appropriate would be in grades 6 and up, meaning that the kindergarten-level artwork is vastly inappropriate and the kids (teenagers) will not accept it without some whining." [10:30] should we be focussing on 12 and up rather? [10:31] lets add some theme choice next release [10:32] hmm, would have been nice from him to tell me he does an interview with me when he asked [10:32] i thought the aim was to increase the capacity of clients... [10:33] hi [10:33] ajmitch_, ! [10:33] morning ogra, JaneW [10:33] ogra!! [10:33] morning ajmitch_ [10:33] ajmitch_, which wiki pages did you mean above ? i'd like to see them [10:33] just one, I'll see if I can find it [10:34] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources?action=diff [10:35] I was mainly wanting to ask him where he got that info from [10:35] DeveloperRessources ???? [10:35] yes [10:35] ugh === ajmitch_ was going to revert that change.. and got distracted by work [10:36] yes, please revert it, its plainly wrong [10:36] yesterday someone in -motu told me he read about -XubuntuXbuildX on the wiki [10:37] yes [10:37] ogra: looks like a non-jelkner change [10:37] i hope he just remembered wrongly === ajmitch_ was sure it was when he looked earlier [10:38] so, nevermind [10:38] here a bit of a freedom rant, http://educationaltechnology.ca/couros/452#comments [10:38] it's worse - it's a sabdfl change [10:39] so we'll have to clarify with him why he made that change === ajmitch_ must have been seriously decaffienated this morning to misalign the lines on RecentChanges [10:50] . If you are looking for an excuse to try Linux for the classroom, do yourself a favour and download/install Edubuntu. It may be one of the easiest steps into the Linux environment. [10:50] i like that :) [10:51] very nice :) [10:51] yay for kamion backing me up in -devel [10:53] ogra: yeah that's a good one :) [10:55] heh " Maybe I could put a powered by Ubuntu button... though this post is powered by Pentium III and Windows 98.... Stupid school. They should use Edubuntu (Google it) instead. They've had a final release, right?" [11:00] "Wooo hooo!!!; Edubuntu; Built on top of Ubuntu, this distribution comes packed and configured to be plopped down in a classroom and just simply run. Nice job." [11:01] :) === juliux [n=juliux@141.30.49.5] has joined #edubuntu === pere_gone is now known as pere === Grant_ [n=grant@85-210-177-222.dsl.pipex.com] has left #edubuntu [] === Grant_ [n=grant@85-210-177-222.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #edubuntu === daedalus1 [n=daedalus@daedalus.xs4all.nl] has joined #edubuntu === daedalus1 [n=daedalus@daedalus.xs4all.nl] has joined #edubuntu === daedalus1 [n=daedalus@daedalus.xs4all.nl] has left #edubuntu [] === bimberi [n=bimberi@ppp-36-225.grapevine.net.au] has joined #edubuntu [12:44] **Reminder** Edubuntu Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 1.25 Hours [01:21] i just started to create some schema drawings for ltsp setups.... http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/ltsp_default.png opinions ? [01:25] ogra: it lacks the connection to the internet. [01:25] pere, as our default setup does ;) [01:25] ogra: and I would add a printer to the setup, to document where the printer should be connected. [01:26] ogra: isn't the default setup expecting two network interfaces? [01:26] ok, i'll do the 2 NIC variant firs and a third one for printer setup... [01:26] *first [01:26] nope [01:26] (nice drawing, btw. :) [01:26] our default target (low hanging fruit as you said) is a non networked classroom [01:26] but the black screens looks a bit dull. :) [01:27] hmm, i'll probably brigthen them a bit [01:27] add a screenshot from celestia. :) [01:27] we have screenshots [01:27] on the drawing, I mean. :) [01:27] but they wont be on the page i make this pics for... [01:27] to replace the dull black screens. :) [01:27] ah, k [01:28] i think rather a ubuntu gdm shot ;) [01:28] or something else with nice colors and graphics. :) [01:28] or simply the logo.. let me experiment a bit... [01:28] someo asked for some schema pics like http://k12ltsp.org/contents.html has... [01:29] but i find these dia diagrams very boring and not really nice for websites... === Seveas [n=seveas@re-uva-61.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #edubuntu [01:36] **Reminder** Edubuntu Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 25 mins. [01:37] ogra: nice use of 'edubuntu mustard' ;) [01:37] hi pere [01:37] ogra: I agree with outting something nice on the screen (edubuntu logo?) [01:37] putting even [01:38] ogra: would the teacher's w/s look diff in any way? (i.e. a fatter client etc?) [01:38] reload ;) [01:38] not in this release [01:38] COOL [01:39] looks great :) [01:39] i just want two of these pics... the second one for a internet enabled setup and a detailed pic for printer setups... [01:39] we must ammend edubuntu girl to have 5-6 skin shades and to randomly display one of them... ;) [01:39] ogra: they will help a lot [01:39] we can add up in the next release [01:40] the pics I mean [01:40] yup [01:40] i hope so === Seveas [n=seveas@re-uva-61.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkanox@pc-83-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:44] hi there [01:45] hi mhz! [01:45] JaneW: nice to see ya [01:45] mhz: ditto [01:45] thx [01:45] JaneW: family ok? [01:46] mhz: yes thanks, yours? [01:46] .oO(then JaneW is ok, too) [01:46] mhz: we still haven;t spoken about the CD packaging? want to do it now on in meeting in 15 mins? [01:46] mhz: indeed :) [01:46] fine, just the eldest kid a liitle fever, but he'll be alright [01:46] shame :/ [01:47] JaneW: "if not now, then When?" [01:47] hehehe [01:47] agreed [01:47] shoot [01:47] I updated our press page http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuPress [01:47] can you give me one minute, just need a glass of water... [01:48] sure [01:52] sorry turned into a cup of coffee, which took longer, back now. [01:53] hehehe [01:53] mhz: ok I like the covers, I presume there's an english version? [01:53] mhz: also I think the plainer CD label looks better [01:54] english/ sure, as soon as i know which is the definitive [01:54] mhz: don;t we need some text on the CD label too? [01:54] well we only have a defualt english version this time... [01:54] label/ you mean white bg? [01:54] plus since we only have one print run which needs to ship all over the world I reckon we'll have to go with english as the linga franca...? [01:55] text/ of course, it's just that Tecnocimiento gang decided we firt present the 'art' part and then we modify texts. [01:55] I don't follow? [01:55] text/ oic, ok np then [01:56] label/ what do you mean? [01:56] label/ what do you mean by 'plainer'? [01:56] I saw the one guy said the label must be more colourful, that's not possible we'll only have one colour (the red) and a text colour (white (or black)) [01:56] mhz: there are 2 pics of CDs, one looks plain the other has the world on it [01:56] ohhh [01:57] we can only print on one side of the CD itself and I prefer the plainer one [01:58] plus if you have an ubuntu CD (or that design that was sent) - we need to state Edubuntu Install CD - version 5.10 for intel x86. Legally free to copy, modify and redistribute. Edubuntu is a trademark of Canonical Ltd. www.edubuntu.org. [01:59] JaneW: pics/ there are 2, indeed. So you like better the plainer. Do you prefer it on white background (bg) or red bg? [01:59] does that make sense? [01:59] yes [01:59] I like the red CD, it's nice and bold and fits well with our theme [01:59] ok, red it is, then [01:59] **Reminder** Edubuntu Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 1 min. [02:00] ok, we can finish later [02:00] sure we can talk in the meeting too [02:00] it's relevant [02:00] JaneW: cd slips/ any other desing you'd like to see there? [02:01] I like the design, I am just not sure if it matches perfectly with our orange and red theme... [02:01] but I am happy to go with the majority vote. [02:02] there's nothing I don't like about it, I am just not sure if I *love* it... [02:02] I do like it though ;) [02:02] ok moving to meeting [02:03] calling ogra [02:03] ogra: please report to #ubuntu-meeting ;) === pips1 [n=philipp@241.1.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #edubuntu [02:38] CD PACKAGING: mhz contributed these designs for the CD packaging http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCdAndSlip, please have a look and place comments at the bottom of the page. === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.121.121.29] has joined #edubuntu === ..[topic/#edubuntu:JaneW] : The discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://www.edubuntu.org | NEXT MEETING: Nov 16 12:00 UTC on #ubuntu-meeting. | Edubuntu 5.10 is out, grab it while its hot ! http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Installation help http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | http://www.stroven.org/blog/?postid=63 [02:55] JaneW: hi. :) [02:58] :) === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.138.168.170] has joined #edubuntu [03:10] http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWebsitePlan [03:10] more to follow... [03:11] ah JaneW, you are still in the meeting room [03:13] going now bbiab [03:15] ok, I will get in touch with henrik and jonathan [03:26] http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/ltsp_default.png , http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/ltsp_inet1.png , http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/ltsp_inet2.png [03:28] ogra: educool [03:29] thx for listening [03:29] :) [03:29] :) [03:30] ogra: have you seen hno73 lately? [03:31] pinged him === hno73 [n=henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [03:31] hi [03:31] :) [03:31] hno73: hi [03:32] mhz: hello :) Sorry, I've been out of touch for a while === juliux [n=juliux@141.30.211.85] has joined #edubuntu [03:35] hno73: i'm on the phone. will you be around in 10 mins? [03:36] mhz: I'm going on the phone too. I'll be here in about 30 min. [03:36] lol === mhz has just finished the conversation on the phone === spacey` [n=herman@ipd50a233d.speed.planet.nl] has joined #edubuntu [03:41] ogra: I am trying to motivate a programmer and sysadmin of Tecnocimiento to participate of edubuntu developing. What kind of info would be key to tell him? What skills would he need? [03:42] mhz, any skills are fine... i'd like to have more maintainers, but he'd have to become a MOTU first [03:44] ogra: skills is too general. could you please specify some? === mhz still can't imagine how admining sys processes would be useful on edubuntu programming [03:44] liking to program.... [03:45] some low python skills would be preferable [03:50] ok [03:50] and then, you 'mentor' him? [03:50] you assign tasks? [03:51] does he need to have diff hw availaable? [03:54] mhz: back [03:54] cool [03:54] can i shoot? [03:54] yep [03:56] Wiki pages and data/ There have been some discussion about the good or bad of the wiki merging. Despite that conversation, I'd like to focus on how to make it easier for users to find the info they look for and for doc contributors to wiki pages in a more organized way. [03:56] Once I thought that 'promoting' the use of standarized wiki names would be ok (EdubuntuHowToNetwork, UbuntuHowToNetwork, KubuntuHowToNetwork, XubuntuHowToNetwork, etc), but then I was told that CamelCase was not a favourite :( So people would still see HowToNetwork title and can't tell if it is Ubuntu or Kubuntu or anything related. [03:56] Then I thought, CategoryEdubuntuGeneral CategoryEdubuntuHowTo, etc. But then we should train people to wiki page creation by using Templates. [03:56] If training is needed, wouldn't we need to consider ACL first, so people who read the 'training' pages and get familiar with how to wiki pages, get to a WikiContributorGroup or something? [03:58] The wiki is very open, fluid and active (those are also related) and people are keen to keep it that way [03:59] I think imposing ACLs would be good if we need to eliminate spam or vandalism, but not just to force people to use vthe right formats [03:59] why exactly is the current structure (or lack of) a problem? [03:59] btw: we will be adding an extra CPU to that machine tomorrow [04:00] because when you use RecentChanges, for example, you see info about kubuntu, ubuntu specific, etc. [04:01] another cpu? cooooollliiiisimo [04:01] Yes, filtered RecentChanges would be cool [04:01] by category, say [04:02] I think that feature in itself would greatly encourage people to start using categories [04:03] now you see my point :) [04:04] I mean, if i am at wiki.edubuntu.org, I expect everything to be edubuntu related. [04:04] so, how do we go about getting the filtered RC feature coded? :) [04:04] hehehe, my first idea was FlavourPageNames [04:04] but it's not that simple, because the projects are inherently linked [04:04] exactly [04:04] and many ubuntu pages are useful for edubuntu users [04:05] exactly [04:05] and developers too [04:05] exactly [04:05] hello hno73, I'm Philipp from the Edubuntu summit, I'm keen on helping with the Edubuntu website... I did some initial brainstorming today and have started putting it up on the wiki for discussion. Since you and highvoltage weren't at the edubuntu-meeting today, jane suggested I'd get in touch by email. And now you are here! :-) [04:05] but, IMHO, it all starts from the person who actually starts a wiki page. [04:06] http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiring [04:06] Hi mhz, you answered an email of mine to the edubuntu list, earlier ;-) [04:06] pips1: oh, you are Philip [04:06] probably someone likes to add more tet or beautify the descriptions a bit :) [04:06] :) [04:06] *text [04:06] mhz: yep [04:07] ogra: so, if FlavouredPageName is not a favourite, then Category is our only hope [04:07] pips1: hello :) reading ... [04:07] yes, i know [04:07] ogra: sorry [04:07] hno73: : so, if FlavouredPageName is not a favourite, then Category is our only hope === mhz was so used to say ogra: [04:07] heh [04:08] hno73: the real meat is yet to come.. wip.. :-) [04:08] hno73: i'd say Category + Templates [04:09] and a simple page on which we motivate contributors to use a more "standarized" wiki style [04:10] pips1: ok :) I'll read the meeting logs as well from earlier [04:10] mhz: agreed [04:10] One option is to drive the front-end websites with a moin wiki [04:11] hno73: in the meeting, there wasn't really too much discussion regarding web site yet [04:11] hmmm, lost me (my english problem) [04:11] that would encourage people to use good markup because only the mature and correct pages would make it into the 'official' site [04:12] mhz: have the main website be a separate moin implementation, where only a few can edit [04:12] .oO(ooh,, having RC differintiate between Edubuntu, Kubuntu, Ubuntu, etc and also adding an icon on the same line, that'd be just perfect [04:12] that looks like just a website [04:13] hno73: oh, that, too [04:13] hno73: is like wikimaster and wikiwiki [04:13] having a different icon based on category would be cool! [04:13] hno73: I can start 'motivating' moin gang :D [04:14] we are considering a moin-based www.ubuntu.com [04:14] Plone is a real pain sometimes [04:14] we = who? [04:14] hehehehe [04:14] Jane Silber and I === mhz used plone for just 2 days and got back to moin [04:15] I need to look into it more closely to see if there are any major obstacles in doing it [04:15] i see [04:15] we need to figure out how to make the side menus [04:15] I have some ideas ... [04:15] what do you need? [04:15] shoot [04:16] Not the same as standard moin menus, they need to be page context sensitive [04:17] perhaps we could put a # menupagename = URL at the top of a page [04:17] which would pull in a pre-made HTML menu [04:17] did you ever see Nir's section proposal for Menus? [04:17] or have python generate one from an array of titles and URLs [04:18] no, I've looked at some plugins, but not that [04:19] Nir used a 'plug in' he developed. He had a PageWhatever thta was called from MoinPage and it was rendered as a very cool menu on either right or left side [04:19] thta = that [04:20] yes, that sounds good. URL? [04:20] i'll get in contact with him again. I've been away from moin for a very while but they still love me :D [04:20] You would need quite a few different menu pages though [04:20] :D [04:20] and you'd have to update them by hand [04:21] no problem. The GOOD SPECTACULAR thing about nir's plugin is that Users control what is shown on that menu, because the plugin is controlled via normal wiki editing [04:21] having a python-based plugin would be even better [04:21] right. It's a good first option [04:22] python-based would be great but that would mean code touching and i don't know programming yet :( [04:22] I might be a able to learn some ... [04:24] So the point is, this page http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ is different from http://www.ubuntu.com/support/ and again from this http://www.ubuntu.com/support/supportoptions/ (the menu changes) [04:24] esp. if you count the moving selector thing as a change [04:25] then every menu is different [04:25] those menus are all piece of cake with nir's === mhz will look into his old moin tests. Maybe he'll have something for henrik to see [04:26] cool. Well, I think static ones are easy, but the changing ones might be a bit harder [04:27] why? [04:27] do they change automatically? === spacey` [n=herman@ipd50a233d.speed.planet.nl] has joined #edubuntu [04:28] no, but each page is different, so that's like 100 different menu files [04:28] each slightly different [04:29] on plone? [04:30] sure, look at the links above. No page has exactly the same menu [04:30] hmm, i mean in Moin you'd just do: [04:30] on a wiki page: [04:31] {{{section! [04:31] TheMenu [04:31] }}} [04:31] then go to TheMenu page [04:31] and just [04:31] * OneLine [04:31] * AnotherLine [04:31] * ThirdPageLin [04:32] That will render a menu with those line on a WikiPage [04:32] sure, but you would need to call it TheMenu101 or whatever because you'd need 100 different Menu pages === jeffc [n=jfc@84.5.112.40] has joined #edubuntu [04:32] ahhh [04:32] i see your point, now [04:33] the change is very small, but still [04:33] yes. but how would it be ideal, then? [04:34] menustructure.py would contain an array with the full menu structure [04:34] some plugin would call that file and use it as input [04:35] ah, then you'd 'untick' pages you don't need? [04:35] and would show a slightly different menu depending on the active page [04:35] huh? [04:36] hi, i'm new under edubuntu, can I expose some point of view ? [04:36] oh, i see now [04:37] jeffc: shoot [04:37] i want serv some terminals [04:37] i have some pb with dhcp server [04:38] because i search on the wrong dhcpd.conf [04:38]