[03:35] <spstarr_home> kmail: error while loading shared libraries: libkmime.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:35] <spstarr_home> ?
[03:35] <spstarr_home> kmail broke in kubuntu beta 2?
[03:36] <spstarr_home> 3.4.92-0ubuntu1
[03:36] <spstarr_home> missing dependency not picked up by apt
[03:37] <Tm_T> yup
[03:37] <Tm_T> looks like kdepim is sort of broken
[03:37] <spstarr_home> oh the whole gpg stuff is broke
[03:37] <Tm_T> true
[03:37] <spstarr_home> libgpgme++ not found ldd reports
[03:37] <spstarr_home> kleopatra 
[03:38] <spstarr_home> there's always something wrong with the S/MIME stuff and such in kmail builds :(
[04:00] <Tm_T> spstarr_home: I have same problem with nspluginviewer
[04:00] <spstarr_home> heh
[04:01] <Tm_T> spstarr_home: remove netscape folders from pluing scan
[04:01] <Tm_T> or what it is
[04:01] <Tm_T> more stable after that atleast here
[04:01] <spstarr_home> did you restart Xorg after updating?
[04:04] <Tm_T> nope
[04:05] <Tm_T> uh, and stuff started workin here :o
[04:05] <Tm_T> flash and others :o
[04:05] <Tm_T> just tested
[04:06] <spstarr_home> heh
[08:18] <Tm_T> hmh, has anyone seen hal fix?
[10:18] <_Tonio_> hi all
[10:19] <Tm_T> hi
[10:19] <Tm_T> still no hal fix here
[10:23] <_Tonio_> Tm_T: damn.....
[10:23] <_Tonio_> you mean that you didn't found the updates ?
[10:23] <Tm_T> _Tonio_: I tried several mirrors
[10:23] <_Tonio_> hum..........;
[10:24] <Tm_T> haven't seen it
[10:24] <_Tonio_> Tm_T: did you simply try archive.ubuntulinux.org ?
[10:24] <Tm_T> arcive.ubuntu.com
[10:24] <Tm_T> h
[10:24] <Tm_T> and fi. se. fr. 
[10:24] <_Tonio_> Yesterday evening the update was available again....
[10:25] <Tm_T> none is giving me any kde updates
[10:25] <_Tonio_> don't know what happened in the sync but there has been a problem.
[10:25] <_Tonio_> can you try de.
[10:25] <_Tonio_> ?
[10:25] <_Tonio_> it was also available on de. yesterday evening
[10:25] <Tm_T> I'll try
[10:26] <_Tonio_> okay ;)
[10:26] <Tm_T> hmm, no?
[10:26] <_Tonio_> anyway, I may send you the 43 deb files if needed.... I should have them in my cache
[10:26] <Tm_T> hmm
[10:26] <Tm_T> 43?
[10:26] <_Tonio_> yep
[10:26] <Tm_T> 43?!
[10:27] <Tm_T> haven't seen yet even ten new packages after breezy release
[10:27] <Tm_T> well ok, beta2
[10:27] <Tm_T> but other than that
[10:28] <_Tonio_> well there has been 43 packages updated yesterday ;)
[10:28] <_Tonio_> would you like a dcc ?
[10:28] <Tm_T> oh
[10:28] <Tm_T> no
[10:28] <Tm_T> no dcc, will go to server
[10:28] <Tm_T> wait...
[10:29] <_Tonio_> I can put that on an ftp.... or simply wait for Riddell to understand what happened with those updates
[10:29] <Tm_Konversation> to me please
[10:29] <_Tonio_> with dcc so ?
[10:29] <Tm_Konversation> yes
[10:30] <Tm_Konversation> local irc client </3
[10:31] <Tm_T> Tm_Konversation: you suck
[10:31] <Tm_Konversation> yes I do
[10:32] <_Tonio_> lol
[10:32] <_Tonio_> sent
[10:33] <Tm_T> hmm, doesn't seem to work
[10:33] <Tm_T> ftp/sir is ok
[10:33] <_Tonio_> router....
[10:33] <_Tonio_> yep i'll put that on my ftp wait....
[10:34] <Tm_T> thanks
[10:34] <_Tonio_> 7 minutes to upload, I'll give you the link just after that
[10:36] <Tm_T> ok
[10:36] <Tm_T> not hurry, I have to clean up my room
[10:36] <Tm_T> total mess
[10:36] <Tm_T> almost 3 weeks nothing but sitting in the corner leave some marks to room
[10:40] <Tm_T> but no sleep -> back is better
[10:43] <_Tonio_> Tm_T: http://www.planetemu.net/temp/updates.tar.gz
[10:43] <Tm_T> huoh
[10:43] <Tm_T> and so, konqi tries to open that package
[10:43] <Tm_T> wget ->
[10:44] <_Tonio_> or maybe just shift + click ;)
[10:44] <_Tonio_> or kget
[10:44] <_Tonio_> kget works fine :)
[10:44] <Tm_T> just shift+click in where?
[10:45] <Tm_T> I don't get the ui of Kget
[10:45] <_Tonio_> forget..... that works with konqueror, but not in konversation ;)
[10:45] <Tm_T> I don't use Konvi
[10:45] <_Tonio_> firefox ?
[10:45] <Tm_T> Konvi aka Konversation
[10:46] <_Tonio_> ah okay
[10:46] <_Tonio_> what do you use ? xchat ??
[10:46] <Tm_T> no
[10:46] <Tm_T> nothing gui for irc please
[10:46] <_Tonio_> telnet (^^)
[10:47] <Tm_T> irssi <3
[10:47] <_Tonio_> shell ??? really ?
[10:47] <Tm_T> yu
[10:47] <Tm_T> x2
[10:47] <Tm_T> actually x3
[10:47] <Tm_T> hmm, I'm not addicted
[10:47] <_Tonio_> wow :)
[10:47] <_Tonio_> I appreciate the shell but I have limits ;)
[10:48] <_Tonio_> when I can do the same thing with a gui or with the shell I generally go with the gui
[10:49] <Tm_T> if I can do things more easily and powerfully with gui, I'll use gui
[10:50] <_Tonio_> and you find cli irc easier that with a gui ? wat about tabs etc... ?
[10:50] <Tm_T> hmh, mplayer messed one of my Konsole tabs
[10:53] <Tm_T> _Tonio_: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_070.png
[10:53] <Tm_T> sshfs <3
[10:55] <_Tonio_> Tm_T: okay you are using konsole for tabs.... why not ;)
[10:55] <Tm_T> yes
[10:56] <_Tonio_> Tm_T: what's this language ? polish ?
[10:56] <Tm_T> eeh
[10:56] <Tm_T> haista sin kuule paska
[10:56] <Tm_T> no need to insult
[10:56] <_Tonio_> what ?
[10:57] <_Tonio_> where did I insult ? no just to know, for my curiosity ;) Did I say something incorrect ?
[10:57] <Tm_T> call a finnish guy polish and you're dead
[10:57] <_Tonio_> ah ;) sorry for this ;) I didn't knew ;)
[10:57] <Tm_T> np
[10:57] <_Tonio_> so you are finnish?
[10:57] <Tm_T> oh yes
[10:58] <_Tonio_> k
[10:58] <_Tonio_> Tm_T: did you finally download the updates ?
[10:58] <Tm_T> _Tonio_: yup
[10:59] <Tm_T> I'll check them
[10:59] <Tm_T> hmm, just drop them to package cache ...
[10:59] <_Tonio_> cool
[11:03] <Tm_T> hmh
[11:04] <Tm_T> no, didn't help
[11:07] <Tm_T> hmm
[11:07] <Tm_T> wtf
[11:07] <_Tonio_> Tm_T: what's the problem installing the packages ?
[11:07] <Tm_T> ok :p
[11:07] <Tm_T> _Tonio_: downgrading etc
[11:08] <_Tonio_> you have 3.5 beta2 actually ?
[11:08] <Tm_T> oh yes
[11:08] <_Tonio_> ah..... that is indeed a bit more complicated :)
[11:08] <Tm_T> well, it's not a problem, I can do upgrade again
[11:08] <Tm_T> and reinstall my svn stuff etc
[11:09] <_Tonio_> isn't that the reason why you where not seeing any updates maybe ?
[11:10] <Tm_T> propably yes
[11:10] <Tm_T> :(
[11:10] <Tm_T> and somebody got cleaned cache so need to download packages =)
[11:13] <hunger> kdesktop just crashed when inserting a usbdisk. Could this be hal-related?
[11:14] <Tm_T> :o
[11:15] <_Tonio_> Tm_T: remember what you told me yesterday ;) I think I was right waiting for RC to update to 3.5 ;)
[11:16] <_Tonio_> arts doesn't work according to what I heard, correct ?
[11:16] <Tm_T> yup
[11:16] <Tm_T> but who needs arts anyway
[11:16] <_Tonio_> hunger: maybe..... but if you have a 3.4.3 version that shouldn't crash...
[11:17] <Tm_T> _Tonio_: ok, tell me, why you need arts?
[11:17] <hunger> _Tonio_: Sure, it shouldn't... but I *like* those tiny enhancements they put into 3.5beta:-)
[11:17] <_Tonio_> Tm_T: technically I don't need arts, except for skype...
[11:18] <_Tonio_> I use it whithin artsd to avoid oss problems
[11:18] <Tm_T> ?
[11:18] <hunger> hmmm... artsd crashes at regular intervalls, too.
[11:18] <Tm_T> you can't use aoss?
[11:18] <_Tonio_> I like to hear several sounds at the same time ;)
[11:18] <Tm_T> heh
[11:18] <_Tonio_> I don't have a soundblaster or any card that performs hardware mixing
[11:18] <Tm_T> _Tonio_: me neither
[11:19] <_Tonio_> so when I use oss, I don't get any other sound
[11:19] <Tm_T> _Tonio_: but alsa can do it
[11:19] <hunger> _Tonio_: alsa does that for me...
[11:19] <Tm_T> you know, alsa-oss wrapper
[11:19] <_Tonio_> yep
[11:19] <_Tonio_> but it never worked for me....
[11:19] <hunger> _Tonio_ Normally I wouln't run artts either... but it comes preinstalled and I was too lazy yet to turn it off:-)
[11:19] <Tm_T> _Tonio_: just force plud:dmix
[11:19] <Tm_T> plug
[11:20] <hunger> _Tonio_ It does not use resources anyway since it crashes right after startup;-)
[11:20] <_Tonio_> Tm_T: where ?
[11:20] <Tm_T> _Tonio_: it depends
[11:20] <Tm_T> _Tonio_: google for "dmix howto gentoo"
[11:20] <Tm_T> :(
[11:20] <_Tonio_> Tm_T: well, I could do differently, but well artsdsp works correctly, no need to change ;)
[11:21] <Tm_T> _Tonio_: that can change any day...
[11:21] <_Tonio_> when arts will be removed from kde, skype will be alsa anyway, and obviously replaced by openwengo for me so ;
[11:23] <Tm_T> :p
[11:23] <Tm_T> actually I have one problem using notifications without arts
[11:24] <Tm_T> can't control volume of notifications
[11:25] <hunger> Tm_T: Doesen't bother me... I have no sound anyway (mute button on a Thinkpad is very relieble).
[11:25] <Tm_T> hunger: well, I put some sounds yesterday just for curiosity :p
[11:25] <hunger> pitti: Well, -minimal kind of suggest that you shouldn't remove the stuff in there.
[12:58] <JRe> allee: ping
[01:23] <allee> JRe: pong
[01:25] <Tm_T> ha, I'm next generation!
[01:27] <JRe> allee: you were tolding me some thing yesterday about shortcuts, right ?
[01:29] <allee> err, i asked about multimedia policy/plan but this was a general question.  checking logs...
[01:31] <allee> JRe: I asked this on ubuntu-devel, too but maybe due to bad timing, I got infos there too
[01:32] <JRe> allee: ok
[01:32] <allee> I figured that in general the xkeyboard-config pkg or better the upstream BTS is the right address for the xkb settings I collected
[01:33] <allee> But in general there is still a need to 'assign' MM keys for unknown keycodes
[01:33] <JRe> yes
[01:34] <allee> lineakd is fine but a gui is missing (it's out of date). keyconfig looks fine but uses glade.
[01:35] <allee> ah and lineak supports only per user config not a system wide one (AFAIU) :(
[01:36] <JRe> allee: hum that's a bad point
[01:36] <JRe> allee: a system wide config is definitively needed
[01:53] <pef> hello
[01:53] <allee> hi pef
[01:54] <allee> JRe: I assume that the code not so hard to adapt to search usr and sys dir is needed
[01:54] <JRe> allee: yes I think so too
[01:54] <_Tonio_> 'afternoon pef 
[01:54] <JRe> pef: cool the patch for kcheckgmail!
[01:54] <allee> afk (today is the day of crazy #$%^$ printers :( )
[01:54] <_Tonio_> hi allee 
[01:55] <allee> hi _Tonio_ 
[01:55] <pef> _Tonio_: hello anthony, have you find the solution with klibido ?
[01:56] <pef> JRe: :) I'm happy to  found the fix
[01:56] <_Tonio_> pef: not at the moment....
[01:56] <_Tonio_> do you have the same problem than me with pbuilder or debuild ?
[01:56] <JRe> _Tonio_: what is the problem with klibido ?
[01:57] <_Tonio_> hum, it compiles correctly, but not within debuild or pbuilder....
[01:57] <JRe> pef: tough, the program tell me that gmail version has changed 
[01:57] <JRe> pef: but it works good 
[01:57] <_Tonio_> propted that a file is not found, while theile is present....
[01:57] <_Tonio_> I didn't have this problem with the version actually packaged in universe, but I have a problem to update the package because of that
[01:58] <JRe> _Tonio_: ow tonio I have two patch to give you for klibido
[01:58] <pef> JRe: when did you had this message ?
[01:58] <JRe> pef: I patched and compiled it manually yesterday
[01:59] <JRe> pef: and each startup the progrem show a dialog which tell: "Gmail version has changed. blablabla. (checkbox) don't show again"
[01:59] <pef> JRe: strange, I never had this message
[01:59] <pef> JRe: can you mail me the output of the program ? (without password of course ;)
[01:59] <JRe> pef: you should contact both upstream and debian maintainer with such a patch ;)
[02:00] <pef> JRe: already done :)
[02:00] <_Tonio_> what are those packages for ?
[02:00] <_Tonio_> JRe: in fact I was thinking to wait for the next version to update, because dapper is planned in 6 month.... we have time :)
[02:00] <_Tonio_> JRe: what are those patches for excuse me ;)
[02:01] <JRe> _Tonio_: desktop file content and location
[02:01] <JRe> _Tonio_: i think we'll backport klibido
[02:01] <_Tonio_> JRe: desktop files yes.... when I packages it, I wasn't doing this, but I now patch every desktop file when I package ;)
[03:31] <tvo> Riddell: ping
[03:31] <Riddell> tvo: hi
[03:32] <tvo> hi Riddell, is #13096 the kpdf bug you reported to kpdf maintainer?
[03:33] <tvo> (related with http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114603)
[03:34] <Riddell> tvo: yes
[03:34] <tvo> ok, so it's a different bug
[03:34] <tvo> mind testing the pdf I attached to that bug report at bugs.kde.org?
[03:34] <Riddell> I don't see what it has to do with http://bugs.kde.org/114685 though
[03:35] <Riddell> ubuntu one is about displaying fonts, other one about hanging
[03:37] <Riddell> the top pdf in the kde report didn't display for me
[03:37] <Riddell> and is hanging konqueror
[03:38] <tvo> in the ubuntu bugreport exactly same symptoms are described as in http://bugs.kde.org/114685:
[03:39] <tvo> just a big cross on each page and konqueror hangs with 100%cpu if you close the tab
[03:41] <pef> Riddell: hello Jonathan
[03:41] <Riddell> hi pef 
[03:43] <tvo> Riddell: sorry, wasn't clear about which pdf, I'm mostly interested in this pdf: http://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=13038&action=view (belongs to http://bugs.kde.org/114603)
[03:43] <pef> Riddell: had you time to look at kcheckgmail on revu ?
[03:45] <Riddell> pef: nope, should I?
[03:46] <pef> Riddell: I wrote a patch to fix a problem which makes this program useless
[03:47] <Riddell> didn't it just need a newer version of the program?
[03:48] <pef> Riddell: same issue with latest release
[03:48] <pef> and not corrected in the cvs
[03:48] <pef> (i'm uploading a new version to revu, problem with Standards-Version)
[03:50] <pef> Riddell: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=328515;msg=15
[03:53] <Riddell> pef: excellent, well done
[03:55] <pef> :)
[04:10] <jjesse> Riddell: did you make the merge in svn last nice for docs? i didn't get a chance as i was busy
[04:12] <Lathiat> pef: kcheckgmail?
[04:12] <Lathiat> pef: i saw you report, thats pretty cool
[04:13] <pef> Lathiat: pretty cool apps :)
[04:19] <Riddell> jjesse: no not yet, I can do it in a few minutes
[06:49] <jjesse> Riddell: problems w/ the download page for the US, the link to download are stll pointing to the release candiate iso
[06:50] <jjesse> Riddell: The requested URL /releases/kubuntu/breezy/kubuntu-5.10-rc-live-i386.iso was not found on this server.
[06:50] <Riddell> jjesse: URL?
[06:50] <jjesse> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/breezy/kubuntu-5.10-rc-live-i386.iso
[06:51] <jjesse> start at http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/breezy/ and try to download from there
[06:51] <Riddell> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/5.10/ shows an almost empty directory to me
[06:52] <jjesse> was getting a question on it on #kubuntu, should i give them http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/5.10/ instead
[06:56] <Riddell> jjesse: please
[06:56] <jjesse> Riddell: will do
[06:57] <Riddell> I'll poke sysadmin
[07:09] <Tm_T> hmm, no hal fix to beta2?
[07:12] <Riddell> I'll do decent 3.5 packages sometime soonish when dapper is open
[09:21] <shiv>  when I start my computer I get this black screen dhcpp3 login: prompt, then I turn it off and restart and I can get my gui back. HOw do I get rid of this black screen with the prompt
[09:37] <jjesse> what is the difference between ubuntu-server that just came across the announcement list and when i type server at the kubuntu install?
[10:08] <Riddell> jjesse: ubuntu-server has some extra server bits, see the seeds for details
[10:09] <jjesse> Riddell:  thanks :)
[10:12] <Riddell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/ubuntu-server-breezy/server  quite a lot extra
[11:01] <JRe> anyone know a little about amaroK ?
[11:04] <JRe> I can't find amarok_libvisual file
[11:13] <JRe> \sh: you know what happened to amarok_libvisual ?
[11:13] <\sh> JRe: no...never heard about it
[11:14] <\sh> I'm just listening to music..I'm not watching music ;)
[11:14] <JRe> \sh: amarok / src / vis / libvisual /
[11:14] <JRe> \sh: the makefile.am seems to rpduce a binary called amarok_libvisual
[11:14] <\sh> JRe: 1.3.N where N >= 3 will come early
[11:15] <JRe> \sh: the strange things is that it was working 1 week ago
[11:15] <\sh> JRe: is it in 1.3.1? or only in 1.3.3?
[11:15] <JRe> it's in 1.3.1
[11:15] <JRe> i tested it one week ago (i have packaged libvisual) and it was working
[11:16] <\sh> JRe: hmmm....I took the debian/* stuff from debian maintainer from alioth cvs I think...
[11:16] <\sh> Riddell: did u replaced it with the new one from the orig debian package?
[11:19] <JRe> \sh:  okay I have checked and it's supposed to be in amarok 1.3.1
[11:20] <\sh> JRe: so lets push it in 1.3.3
[11:20] <JRe> \sh: yes and good news, we'll have libvisual and libvisual plugins
[11:21] <\sh> JRe: already in universe?
[11:21] <JRe> \sh: nop just packaged it
[11:21] <\sh> hehe
[11:21] <\sh> JRe: so when dapper opens after the syncs...please push it into universe
[11:21] <\sh> argl
[11:21] <\sh> no..we have to push it into main
[11:21] <JRe> \sh: yes it would be better
[11:22] <JRe> \since amarok is in main
[11:22] <\sh> JRe: not better, it's a must if amarok depends on it
[11:22] <JRe> \sh: amarok can run without it
[11:23] <\sh> JRe: so it is more then logical that amarok_libvisual is not shipped, or?
[11:24] <JRe> \sh: amarok_libvisual is expected to be produced by a regular compile
[11:25] <\sh> JRe: yes..but runs it without libvisiual? if not, it was logical of the debian maintainer not to include it into the resulting packages...somehow...well..I don't know...I'll check 
[11:25] <\sh> with 1.3.3
[11:26] <JRe> \sh: yes I think the maintainer has deactivated it
[11:28] <JRe> \sh: ok in any case tell me when you start to work on next amarok, we will try to integrate libvisual as best as we can in it
[11:28] <\sh> JRe: please talk to riddell about main inclusion reports for dapper ;)
[11:29] <JRe> \sh: i'll soon give you the link to libvisual packages so you will able to test them
[11:29] <JRe> \sh: ok i'll talk with Riddell
[11:29] <\sh> JRe: rock (libvisual)
[11:30] <JRe> \sh: yes and moreover the plugins seems to be very nice, a way better than the one of xmms