[12:10] <kkathman> unsurreal: if you dont like KDE why are you in this channel then?  YOu should be in ubuntu :)
[12:12] <nozzbozza> help!
[12:12] <qos> hey guys ... i am searching an secure ftp server WITH an nice GUI ... ?
[12:13] <nozzbozza> Hi, trying to setuo NIC - sis900 any help please?
[12:14] <unsurreal> wats the problem
[12:14] <unsurreal> i think ive got the same one and i dont have trouble
[12:14] <nozzbozza> Hi unsurreal, are you talking to me?
[12:15] <unsurreal> yea
[12:17] <nozzbozza> Cool, thanks.  I have MSI notebook with built-in SIS900 series NIC.  lspci | grep 900 shows it's detected but it doesn't function with niether static nor dynamic IP address.  Any ideas please?
[12:21] <kevman> I just installed the kwin-baghira theme in Breezy, but its not listed under Themes in Theme Manager
[12:21] <raphink> it's not a theme
[12:21] <raphink> it's a style + windows decoration
[12:21] <kevman> Oh... So how do I use it/
[12:21] <raphink> so you'll find it listed in both
[12:21] <raphink> you can set the windows decoration with it
[12:22] <raphink> and the style ;)
[12:22] <raphink> separately
[12:22] <chavo> then you can save that as a theme
[12:22] <raphink> maybe
[12:22] <raphink> never used themes ;)
[12:22] <raphink> I set all the things separately
[12:22] <raphink> I think themes have icons too, though
[12:23] <raphink> and baghira has no icon theme
[12:23] <kevman> I onlt see the "baghira" style theme...
[12:23] <raphink> kevman: there's also a baghira entry in windows decorations
[12:23] <chavo> baghira isnt a theme, you said it yourself
[12:23] <raphink> yes
[12:23] <chavo> but there are some osxish icon themes
[12:23] <raphink> yes
[12:24] <raphink> baghira is great with other kinds of icons
[12:24] <raphink> I use it with crystal clear or nuovext
[12:24] <raphink> and I love it :)
[12:24] <kevman> Ohh, this is cool.
[12:25] <chavo> nuovext is my favorite at the moment also
[12:25] <raphink> it used to be
[12:25] <chavo> goes with just about anything
[12:25] <raphink> I just switched to crystal clear
[12:25] <raphink> I love it
[12:25] <raphink> except that I just saw that there are these Linspire signs all aroun
[12:25] <raphink> around
[12:25] <raphink> and I don't like that
[12:26] <raphink> nuovext is surely a great icon set :)
[12:32] <_goxy> #list
[12:32] <b44a> i  used hoary and did a dist-upgrade, but the machine crashed during the procedure
[12:32] <raphink>  /list
[12:32] <raphink> sudo apt-get -f install
[12:33] <raphink> b44a: that will repair your db
[12:33] <raphink> finish the current installs if needed
[12:33] <b44a> i did that
[12:33] <raphink> what did you get?
[12:33] <b44a> but a lot of packages are missing
[12:33] <b44a> it installed a few
[12:33] <raphink> then run
[12:34] <b44a> but i don't have x for example
[12:34] <raphink> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-base
[12:34] <raphink> then
[12:34] <raphink> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:34] <The_Vox> well, that was a failure...anybody gotten the tilt wheel on a MS mouse working on breezy yet?
[12:35] <raphink> no MS mouse here :s
[12:35] <The_Vox> raphink: if logitech learned to make bigger mouses than they do, I'd probably use a logitech...but the only mouse that feels right in my hand is MS Explorer, which is the biggest mouse I've ever found
[12:36] <raphink> ok
[12:36] <raphink> I have a logitech
[12:36] <raphink> pretty small indeed
[12:36] <raphink> if I had money I would get a wireless trackball
[12:36] <The_Vox> if I had the money, I'd get one of the new wireless laser MSExplorers :)
[12:37] <raphink> I'd buy anything but MS stuff
[12:37] <b44a> ok, it's running now
[12:37] <raphink> good :)
[12:37] <b44a> well apt-get
[12:37] <b44a> not yet breezy :)
[12:38] <raphink> ok
[12:38] <b44a> wow
[12:38] <raphink> did you run apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[12:38] <b44a> yeah
[12:38] <b44a> this new dsl line rocks
[12:38] <b44a> 800kb/s
[12:38] <raphink> lol
[12:38] <raphink> alice ...
[12:38] <b44a> yeah
[12:38] <raphink> here alice is 20 mbps
[12:39] <The_Vox> raphink: I've always said that MS should sell mouses and nothing else....everything they do sucks, except their mouses
[12:39] <raphink> haha ok
[12:40] <The_Vox> raphink: I moved to linux in '96 and haven't used windows since then (thank the netgods)
[12:40] <raphink> :)
[12:41] <raphink> haven't used windows on a computer of mine ever
[12:41] <raphink> I was on mac before I got on linux
[12:41] <b44a> i wonder: an aspect i like of ubuntu very much is the slick design. however when updating to brezzy my old ~/.kde dir is kept, is it possible to somehow have that eyecandy in my old user account aswell?
[12:41] <The_Vox> I was on apple before the mac...but the mac put me off, and I moved to x86
[12:42] <The_Vox> b44a: remove your ~/.kde or rename it...you will lose all your personalized settings, tho
[12:42] <b44a> yeah, i figured :/
[12:43] <b44a> i'll backup the old dir, and copy stuff into the new one, once i miss something
[12:43] <The_Vox> that's usually the easiest way :)
[12:49] <manchine> is the liveCD edition installable?
[12:51] <manchine> is the liveCD edition installable?
[12:52] <raphink> the live DVD is
[12:52] <raphink> not the live CD I think
[12:53] <manchine> raphink:  thanks. gonna grab the install vs, then
[12:54] <raphink> mhm
[12:54] <kevman> Is there any way to get transparencies working? I always get an error about Xorg >6.8 or something.
[12:58] <_andrea> hi guys
[12:58] <raphink> hi _andrea 
[12:59] <_andrea> hi raphinick
[12:59] <_andrea> ops
[12:59] <_andrea> raphink
[01:03] <Drakeson> kevman: have you enabled Composite in xorg.conf?
[01:04] <kevman> Drakeson, no, I guess not.
[01:07] <Knowerrors> Hi all, trying to use the kubuntu 5.10 cd to upgrade my kde, and I get this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/jFumn815.html
[01:07] <Knowerrors> thats a paste of the attempt, any ideas?
[01:08] <Blissex> Knowerrors: that means you haven't installed the signatures needed to verify the packages on the CD/DVD. I think there is a Wiki page on APT and signatures.
[01:09] <Knowerrors> on kubuntu site or ubuntu?
[01:09] <Blissex> Knowerrors: ubuntu, it is a generic issue, nothing to do with KDE.
[01:11] <Knowerrors> searching the official ubuntu wiki, nada yet
[01:14] <Blissex> Knowerrors: uhm, I found something in the Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ actually: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#h2add
[01:15] <bobbyd> hi
[01:15] <bobbyd> the 'window' menu is missing from konqueror in breezy for me, does anyone else see that?
[01:18] <Knowerrors> so Blissex : youre suggesting I do step #5?
[01:18] <Blissex> Knowerrors: I guess... Cannot harm.
[01:18] <Knowerrors> but only that step right? :)
[01:19] <Blissex> Knowerrors: the story is briefly discussed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[01:19] <TylerE> Is 3.5beta2, erm, borked? Pulled the packages via apt-get on a fresh breezy install, and i'm getting constant artsd crashes, even AFTER disablinga artsd in the control panel!
[01:19] <Blissex> Knowerrors: yes, 5. should be the only one needed
[01:21] <Knowerrors> gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found
[01:22] <Blissex> Knowerrors: weird. I suspect your installation did not setup the APT key/signature information properly. Try to ask in #Ubuntu.
[01:23] <Pupeno> How do I restart only one network intreface ?
[01:24] <Blissex> Pupeno: 'man ifup' or 'man ifdown'
[01:25] <Pupeno> thanks.
[01:26] <Knowerrors> I hate that channel, too busy
[01:28] <TylerE> well, my artsd problem cleared up after restarting KDE
[01:28] <TylerE> still not a good welcome though
[01:28] <Pupeno_> I can't get the wifi to work :(
[01:28] <Knowerrors> Blissex: can I tell apt to temporarily ignore needing a key?
[01:29] <propagandhi> Knowerrors: you can but you shouldnt
[01:29] <Blissex> Knowerrors: yes, but I can't remember how. There is quite an extensive APT-and-keys document on the Debian site.
[01:30] <Blissex> Pupeno_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[01:30] <Knowerrors> could one of you send me the right ubuntu keys? combine them with my own
[01:30] <Pupeno_> Blissex: thanks.
[01:32] <Pupeno_> Blissex: that explains how to do it using the ubuntu tool.
[01:33] <kudude> hello all.
[01:33] <Blissex> Pupeno_: and you want to do it _without_ using the Ubuntu tool?
[01:34] <kudude> anybody here got .Net 1.1 to install on Wine?
[01:34] <Pupeno_> Blissex: I don't even have installed and I don't know in which package it is.
[01:34] <Blissex> Pupeno_: 'apt-cache search ....' can often help.
[01:34] <Pupeno_> Blissex: and the instructions to do it without the tool doesn't work.
[01:35] <jrjxx> kudude: Getting .Net to install under Wine sounds ... ambitious.  
[01:40] <kudude> jrjxx: Why? J.. if wine is porting windows.. .Net needs to be ported too.
[01:40] <kudude> I develop a lot of Apps already using Visual Stuio.Net.
[01:41] <bobbyd> kudude, check out the mono project
[01:41] <kudude> I really love Ubuntu.. very stable, fast, and lots of free tools. However, I hate the fact that I have to re-boot to windowsXP(argg) to use VS.NET
[01:41] <bobbyd> kudude, it's an implementation of the CLI runtime, it lets you run .net applications under linux
[01:41] <bobbyd> kudude, check out kdevelop too, quite like VS
[01:41] <kudude> bobbyd: I am using that too.. it's kinda week on Windows.Forms. though.
[01:41] <bobbyd> kudude, well, it's not windows :)
[01:42] <kudude> it's ok on ASP.NET etc.. but week on Windows.Forms.
[01:42] <bobbyd> kudude, there is a better way, a cleaner way :)
[01:42] <kudude> bobbyd: I will try it out though..thanks. gonna do some read-up right now.
[01:43] <kudude> so I guess the answer is.. wine does not support .Net..
[01:43] <kudude> wonder if they ever will.
[01:43] <bobbyd> kudude, don't think so at the moment
[01:43] <kudude> I also see a wine-mon lib.. don't know what's that for.
[01:43] <bobbyd> kudude, I think mono is a safer bet there
[01:43] <kudude> bobbyd: ok man.. I will try it out.
[01:43] <kudude> cya guys..
[01:44] <kudude> oh before I go..
[01:44] <kudude> I can's seem to get my ATI Radeon 9600 to work with a dual-head, i've read so many forums.. but many weird things happen to my display.
[01:45] <kudude> bobbyd: any suggestions?
[01:45] <kudude> jrjxx: how about you. Any suggestions? (see previous text).
[01:49] <jrjxx> kud: About your video?  I know nothing about that, sorry.
[01:50] <Knowerrors> how can I add the cdrom drive to my repositories?
[01:50] <jrjxx> kud: As for .Net, if you really want to run *that* (as opposed to Mono), I'd check out the commercial variants of Wine first to see if that sort of thing is supported.
[01:52] <jrjxx> It's just ... Windows is fundamentally undocumented, inside, and I assume .Net is undocumented inside (the internals).  Trying to get .Net to run on Wine, with all that undocumented stuff, sounds like something that'd cause one to tear one's hair out.
[01:52] <jrjxx> Know: I just ran across a command-line command, "apt-cdrom".  That might help?
[01:53] <bobbyd> kudude, sell your ATI card and buy and Nvidia one. trust me, you'll only have pain with ATI under linux
[01:53] <kudude> :) hehe! thanks a lot. I guess I should tell my employer that. :)
[01:53] <bobbyd> kudude, if they can't afford to buy you decent hardware, get another job!
[01:54] <bobbyd> kudude, you should also look at C++ and qt as a good cross platform development option
[01:54] <kudude> bobbyd: eheheh! cool..do you suggest a model? I probably could buy it, and they re-emberse me. :)
[01:54] <bobbyd> kudude, geforce 6800 if you can get it
[01:55] <Knowerrors> jrjxx: maybe? tell more
[01:55] <bobbyd> kudude, otherwise, anything will do really
[01:55] <kudude> bobbyd: I'm gonna start doing that.. Have to port all my applications though..
[01:55] <jrjxx> Know: Open up a command line shell, or otherwise do "man apt-cdrom".  That'll tell you everything I know.  The man page sounded like it applies to your question, tho.
[01:55] <bobbyd> kudude, maybe mono would be easier then
[01:55] <kudude> bobbyd: wonder if there's a script to do C#toQT :)
[01:56] <bobbyd> kudude, you may be able to use C# with mono and qt, I'm not sure
[01:56] <kudude> bobbyd: for now I will use mono, but will develop in the future on QT..cause I know QT runs on windows.
[01:56] <kudude> bobbyd: Yes there's a QT# a .Net class for mono.
[01:57] <bobbyd> kudude, you could ask in #mono :)
[01:57] <bobbyd> kudude, that may work on windows too
[01:57] <bobbyd> ok well ,I have to go, good luck
[01:57] <kudude> bobbyd: I really love the structure of .Net though..kinda hard to stray away from it. even though I think I want to leave windows completely.
[01:58] <kudude> bobbyd: I see you in #mono too.. :)
[01:58] <raphink> anyone's got konqueror crashing when the mouse is over any icon?
[01:58] <bobbyd> yeah I just joined to see if it existed
[01:59] <raphink> in kde 3.5 beta2
[01:59] <bobbyd> propagandhi, I do too
[01:59] <kudude> bobbyd: yeah! but it's kinda dead.
[01:59] <bobbyd> kudude, I only use c++ at work, so i don't know about c#
[01:59] <propagandhi> lol
[01:59] <kudude> bobbyd: man I must say i am inlove with ubuntu..
[02:00] <kudude> bobbyd: i've many sleepless nights lately..
[02:00] <bobbyd> umm
[02:00] <propagandhi> you can use C# with mono, but if its the Visual studio as opposed to the language that you love, you're screwed
[02:00] <bobbyd> ok dude
[02:00] <kudude> bobbyd: have to get back my proper sleep though.
[02:00] <bobbyd> goodnight sir!
[02:00] <kudude> propagandhi: I am too worried about VisualStudio. I just need my dotnetprogram.exe to run in linux.
[02:01] <kudude> I can write the source code in MonoDevelop or something.
[02:01] <kudude> kinda sorry I left c++ and jumped to .Net..
[02:02] <kudude> I was too lazy to master pointers, and messages in c++, that's why I jumped to .Net..(MS made my life easier).
[02:02] <propagandhi> .Net is good stuff though, makes programming pretty easy
[02:03] <kudude> propagandhi: I know man.. I could do a quick app in much less time than MFC stuff..
[02:03] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[02:04] <da_bon_bon> i updated to kde 3.5 beta1
[02:04] <Knowerrors> can anyone show me where an apt sources list is, I think mine is messed up
[02:04] <da_bon_bon> and HELL .. on startup i get errors errors and more errors about crashed soundserver
[02:04] <da_bon_bon> what do i do ?
[02:04] <Tm_T> da_bon_bon: disable KDE sound system from kcontrol
[02:04] <apokryphos> Tm_T: hey, do you by any chance have debian gpg key for their repos? Trying to get some source from them
[02:05] <Tm_T> apokryphos: debian? not atm
[02:05] <apokryphos> ack, ok.
[02:05] <kudude> knowerrors: there should be a backup copy in /etc/apt/
[02:05] <da_bon_bon> Tm_T: ok. why is it happening ?
[02:05] <_pcman> can I install Debian packages on kubuntu
[02:05] <_pcman> ?
[02:05] <Tm_T> da_bon_bon: its broken
[02:05] <kudude> da_bon_bon: how is 3.5? anything new? or just bug fixes?
[02:05] <Knowerrors> kudude: no, thats no good, I need someone elses
[02:06] <Tm_T> kudude: it's not backup copy, it's actual sources list
[02:06] <kudude> Knowerrors: ..ok one sec.
[02:06] <Knowerrors> thx
[02:06] <kkathman> Tm_T: I think I am going to wait on the ole KDE 3.5 :)
[02:06] <kudude> Knowerrors: I kinda forget iRC stuff. how do you send a file?
[02:06] <da_bon_bon> kudude: nothing greatly new.. DONT UPGRADE TO IT
[02:07] <da_bon_bon> Tm_T: didnt work
[02:07] <kkathman> da_bon_bon: yah...agree
[02:07] <kudude> da_bon_bon: didn't plan to. my ubuntu is too stable.
[02:07] <da_bon_bon> Tm_T: that trick didnt work
[02:07] <kkathman> my hoary was very stable, but breezy is now just as stable as far as I can tell
[02:07] <kudude> I was madly inlove with SUSE 9.3 and 10.. untill it start giving me headaches with hardware,and multimedia.. so I tried ubuntu.
[02:07] <kkathman> I had a flawless upgrade
[02:08] <Knowerrors> if youre using konversation, just right click on my name and go to send file
[02:08] <Tm_T> good night comrades ->
[02:08] <_pcman> can I install Debian packages on kubuntu?
[02:08] <kkathman> Tm_T: do you know if there are other KDE based irc progs?
[02:08] <kkathman> _pcman: most of the time, yes
[02:09] <kudude> then I deleted my SUSE parition.. :)
[02:09] <kkathman> _pcman: best way to check is to see if they are in the repositories
[02:09] <kudude> Knowerrors: check your DCC window.
[02:09] <_pcman> what is the repositories? dependecies?
[02:09] <kudude> kkathman: there's lots of others.
[02:10] <Hobbsee> morning all
[02:10] <Knowerrors> kudude, it didn't pop up
[02:10] <kudude> ok will do again.
[02:11] <kudude> Knowerrors: maybe have something to do with my firewall.
[02:11] <orangey> hey all!
[02:12] <Knowerrors> what would be great is if I could get a copy of someones apt key file
[02:12] <Hobbsee> which apt-key?
[02:12] <kudude> Knowerrors: sorry then.. can't help you.
[02:13] <Knowerrors> Im getting this error:gpgv: Can't check signature: public key not found
[02:13] <Knowerrors> so whatever key file to fix that
[02:13] <kudude> anybody here knows of a Linux Client to MS SQL Server?
[02:14] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: you should be able to ignore it
[02:14] <Hobbsee> but see !gpgerr
[02:20] <Pupeno> How do I get some kind of log to troubleshoot why my wifi card is not working ?
[02:37] <ecobuntu> when i run kaffeine it always show the first-time wizard, is this a bug?
[02:37] <apokryphos> never heard of it
[02:37] <frank23> ecobuntu: I don't get that, you said in #ubuntu that you use kde 3.5 beta
[02:37] <ecobuntu> do you know what i mean though?
[02:37] <ecobuntu> no i use gnome
[02:37] <frank23> ecobuntu: oh....
[02:37] <ecobuntu> and i am running kaffeine
[02:38] <ecobuntu> i was inquiring about kubuntu-desktop
[02:38] <apokryphos> hoary/breezy?
[02:38] <ecobuntu> breezy
[02:38] <propagandhi> ecobuntu, it probably means kaffeine isn't writing it's configuration, if you were to run it as root, it probably would - test that
[02:38] <apokryphos> do you go through the wizard properly?
[02:38] <ecobuntu> yeah i do apo
[02:38] <ecobuntu> i'll try that prop
[02:38] <apokryphos> problem could come about from running it as root... (something you never should've done)
[02:39] <ecobuntu> i don't use root
[02:40] <ecobuntu> i've been on linux for almost 2 years now
[02:40] <propagandhi> executing kaffeine as root once wont hurt
[02:40] <kkathman> good evening apokryphos  :)
[02:40] <apokryphos> evenin'
[02:41] <apokryphos> propagandhi: of course it will
[02:41] <ecobuntu> ha ha ha...it did hurt!
[02:41] <ecobuntu> now i can run kaffeine as a regular user
[02:41] <apokryphos> if you use it enough to alter any config files
[02:41] <ecobuntu> chris@ubuntu:~$ kaffeine
[02:41] <ecobuntu> kdeinit: Aborting. No write access to '/home/chris/.ICEauthority'.
[02:41] <ecobuntu> ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't setup DCOP communication.
[02:41] <apokryphos> naturally
[02:42] <apokryphos> !kdesu
[02:42] <ubotu> Use kdesu to run applications with root priveleges, when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions and the config files.
[02:42] <ecobuntu> ok
[02:42] <ecobuntu> i never knew about kdesu
[02:42] <apokryphos> but you would obviously never use it for kaffeine
[02:42] <apokryphos> only for, say, an editor like kate/kwrite etc
[02:42] <apokryphos> root should only be used when you *need* to
[02:43] <apokryphos> ecobuntu: sudo chown -R chris:chris /home/chris
[02:43] <apokryphos> (close all instances of kaffeine first)
[02:43] <ecobuntu> pl
[02:43] <ecobuntu> ok
[02:44] <ecobuntu> ok i got it back now...thanks apo
[02:44] <ecobuntu> but it made me run through that damn first-time wizard!
[02:44] <apokryphos> try finishing it, then shut down kaffeine cleanly
[02:45] <ecobuntu> i have apo
[02:45] <ecobuntu> i do it every time...
[02:45] <apokryphos> wait for a few seconds, and check that no more instances of kaffeine are active (ps aux|grep kaffeine)
[02:45] <ecobuntu> like i said it's not grave...but it's annoying
[02:45] <apokryphos> definitely; it should be fixed
[02:45] <satafterh> so there are alot of bugs with kde3.5?
[02:45] <apokryphos> there shouldn't be
[02:46] <apokryphos> are you on beta1?
[02:46] <ecobuntu> me?
[02:46] <apokryphos> kaffeine, though, has nothing to do with kde3.5 (it's in Extragear)
[02:46] <satafterh> no beta 2
[02:46] <ecobuntu> i should type this now ps aux|grep kaffeine)
[02:46] <ecobuntu> minus the )
[02:46] <apokryphos> sure, go for it
[02:46] <ecobuntu> ok
[02:47] <ecobuntu> ok
[02:47] <ecobuntu> and what should i see?
[02:47] <ecobuntu> chris    11056  0.0  0.1   3060   752 pts/1    R+   18:47   0:00 grep kaffeine
[02:47] <apokryphos> nothing else?
[02:47] <ecobuntu> nope
[02:47] <apokryphos> Ok, it's shut down. Try relaunching kaffeine now from [your user]  terminal
[02:48] <troy> hey, the topic mentions some HAL fixes - but I don't see anything in adept...
[02:48] <apokryphos> troy: do you have breezy-updates enabled?
[02:48] <ecobuntu> ok i typed kaffeine
[02:49] <troy> apokryphos: I think so - I've just been apt-get upgrading since one of the RC's
[02:49] <apokryphos> troy: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:49] <apokryphos> (make sure you have kubuntu-desktop first)
[02:49] <kurtbec> alright anyone else having problems installing mozilla-mailnews?
[02:49] <kurtbec>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY Grelton!
[02:49] <sampan> apokryphos  would the HAL fixes be already incorporated in kubuntu-desktop (gotten from apt-get earlier today)?  
[02:49] <apokryphos> kurtbec: time to pw change ;-)
[02:49] <sampan> or should will i have to get them separately?
[02:50] <ecobuntu> kaffeine bug 
[02:50] <apokryphos> sampan: they would be; if you had breezy-updates enabled, and you installed all the packs there, then you'd be fine
[02:50] <ecobuntu> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3319
[02:50] <sampan> kk :)
[02:52] <apokryphos> ecobuntu: last thing: could you try mv ~/.kde/share/config/kaffeinerc ~/.kde/share/config/kaffeinercold, then re-run kaffeine, go through the wizard, close, and restart kaffeine
[02:52] <duende> Help: I'm trying to run xvinfo or xdpyinfo , but i keep getting "Unable to open display "" "
[02:52] <apokryphos> (make sure you have no instances of kaffeine when you run the command)
[02:53] <ecobuntu> so "mv ~/.kde/share/config/kaffeinerc ~/.kde/share/config/kaffeinercold 
[02:53] <ecobuntu> ?
[02:53] <apokryphos> yes
[02:53] <ecobuntu> nope
[02:53] <ecobuntu> oh well
[02:54] <ecobuntu> i'll report a bug?
[02:54] <apokryphos> yes please
[02:56] <ecobuntu> could not send bug it says
[02:56] <apokryphos> ecobuntu: no, report on bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[02:56] <ecobuntu> my sender is not liked...so sad to be unliked
[02:56] <ecobuntu> oh
[02:56] <ecobuntu> ok
[02:57] <troy> can someone spam a copy of their known-good breezy sources.list to #troy so I can compare to mine
[02:57] <ecobuntu> where do i file the bug?  under kubuntu or ubuntu?
[02:57] <ecobuntu> or either?
[02:58] <sampan> troy, did you get one?
[02:58] <troy> not yet, no
[02:59] <apokryphos> !tell troy about sources
[02:59] <apokryphos> ecobuntu: kubuntu
[02:59] <ecobuntu> ok
[03:00] <troy> thanks :)
[03:06] <ecobuntu> ok bug reported
[03:07] <apokryphos> thanks
[03:07] <ecobuntu> np
[03:07] <Pupeno> Hello.
[03:07] <Pupeno> Is there a repository that works ?
[03:08] <Hobbsee> Pupeno: for what in particular?
[03:08] <troy> hrm, still nothing in my updates -- did the updates only hit x86 perhaps?
[03:09] <Pupeno> Hobbsee: linux-image-2.6.12-9-686 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-9-686
[03:09] <Hobbsee> !info linux-image-2.6.12-9-686
[03:09] <ubotu> linux-image-2.6.12-9-686: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.12 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.12-9.23 (breezy), Packaged size: 19004 kB, Installed size: 54904 kB
[03:09] <Hobbsee> should be in the main repositories
[03:10] <Pupeno> Hobbsee: I do now that.
[03:11] <Pupeno> I am looking for a main repository that works.
[03:11] <Hobbsee> they should be the defaults...post your sources list in the pastebin?
[03:14] <Pupeno> Hobbsee: http://pastebin.com/398176
[03:14] <Hobbsee> bad header line?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> probably a good idea
[03:15] <leetcharmer> hihi all :D
[03:15] <Hobbsee> hi leetcharmer again :)
[03:16] <laszlok> Is anyone else having problems with arts crashing all the time in KDE3.5 Beta2?
[03:16] <leetcharmer> well poopies, the entire reason I wanted to try kubuntu was to see if I could get amaroK to work ... and alas, it still won't w/ online radio :(
[03:16] <Hobbsee> laszlok: absolutely
[03:16] <leetcharmer> it just buffers over and over again forever :(
[03:17] <Pupeno> same thing, all mirrors are screwed, I spent hours with the wifi, Gentoo was easier than kubuntu, I am done.
[03:17] <Hobbsee> laszlok: all the time, many people
[03:17] <propagandhi> gentoo easier than ubuntu??
[03:17] <Pupeno> propagandhi: the wifi drivers didn't have a work(not(random()))
[03:17] <ecobuntu> someone should recommend gentoo to newbies :)
[03:18] <Hobbsee> laszlok: you just need to killall the process that is using it - ie try knotify or something
[03:18] <Pupeno> propagandhi: the repositories were accessible.
[03:18] <Hobbsee> ecobuntu: i considered gentoo as a newbie...so greatful i never tried it...
[03:18] <ecobuntu> yeah gentoo is not for newbies
[03:18] <Pupeno> nope, gentoo is not for newbies.
[03:19] <leetcharmer> gentoo will cut your bawls off.
[03:19] <ecobuntu> and waste your time
[03:19] <propagandhi> gentoo is fun for a few months, then its just downright annoying and aggravating
[03:20] <ecobuntu> i found that with slackware too
[03:20] <ecobuntu> i love the debian package manager
[03:20] <ecobuntu> apt-get is the bomb!
[03:20] <inktaylor> definately
[03:20] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:20] <propagandhi> yeah the apt system is awesome
[03:20] <leetcharmer> gentoo's leet if you want your linux to be customized directly for your machine
[03:20] <syslogd> cd
[03:20] <leetcharmer> as opposed to pre-packaged
[03:20] <Hobbsee> oh good, my sound is working thru amarok now - i knew there was a command i'd forgotten
[03:20] <propagandhi> first thing I've done when using suse or fedora etc is to add apt to it
[03:20] <Pupeno> thanks.
[03:21] <syslogd> arrrgh!
[03:21] <leetcharmer> which is good for performance boosts, but -- I don't mind the small loss of performance boost w/ quick installation :D
[03:21] <Hobbsee> syslogd: what's up?
[03:21] <propagandhi> the performance boost is so miniscule its not worth the compile time
[03:21] <ecobuntu> debian is fun
[03:21] <syslogd> just typin in wrong place :)
[03:22] <ecobuntu> if it was only a tad bit quicker with releases i would be using that instead
[03:22] <Hobbsee> syslogd: good to see
[03:22] <ecobuntu> but ubuntu is great as well!
[03:22] <ecobuntu> irssi is the best!
[03:22] <Hobbsee> never figured out how to use it
[03:22] <Hobbsee> tried it last night while reinstalling the entire system
[03:23] <Hobbsee> well, the linux section of it, couldnt be bothered with the windows section
[03:26] <laszlok> Hobbsee: I dont know what knotify is, but disabling the sound server in system settings and using the xine engine with amarok seems to work fine
[03:27] <cyne> anyone know how to burn mp3s with k3b ?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> !knotify
[03:27] <ubotu> Hobbsee: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[03:28] <Hobbsee> cyne: like you burn anything else in there?  i thought there was a setting for it
[03:28] <propagandhi> there is a separate package to add MP3 support to k3b though isnt there
[03:29] <Hobbsee> laszlok: disabling the sound server in system settings is pretyt much th esame as killing knotify...
[03:29] <Toma-> propagandhi: yep. k3b-mp3
[03:29] <Hobbsee> laszlok: there's a page on the ubuntu wiki about the problems, and you're free to add to them
[03:29] <Toma-> anyone know where to turn off the auto-play dvd thing? its such a pain.
[03:29] <Hobbsee> i added that aRtsd problem last night
[03:30] <cyne> nice, thanks
[03:31] <laszlok> ohhh, knotify = KDE System notifications
[03:31] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:34] <Hobbsee> at least i remembered the sources list this time...
[03:36] <laszlok> Toma-: Is it an ivam automount issue, where dvd is automounted and program is automatically run?
[03:36] <Toma-> yep
[03:36] <sampan> hobbsee, how many times have you reinstalled?  i've done twice :/  
[03:37] <Toma-> i put the dvd in, konq opens up saying "media://hdc" save as, open with, and cancel. and kaffine pops up too and tries playing it
[03:37] <Hobbsee> sampan: um...let me count...
[03:37] <sampan> lol
[03:38] <sampan> if you have to count that's a BAD sign! ;x
[03:38] <Hobbsee> it's been around 4 times with breezy, way more than that with hoary
[03:38] <sampan> aiyo
[03:38] <Hobbsee> twice was a dist upgrade to breezy
[03:38] <Hobbsee> once was a install off cd to test it out, once was last night after those beta 2 packages for kde
[03:38] <Hobbsee> on hoary, i didnt know how to fix a lot of things, so the easiest way was to reinstall
[03:39] <Hobbsee> particularly when i didnt like wine that much - it wasnt doing what i wanted it to do
[03:39] <Hobbsee> sampan: in short, enough times to be able to do it without thinking, including the partitioning tool...
[03:39] <laszlok> Correction: ivman
[03:39] <Hobbsee> on a dual boot machine
[03:40] <laszlok> Toma-: I put something on the wiki about that. Let me find it...
[03:40] <laszlok> here we go: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IvmanConfigAction.xml
[03:40] <sampan> *nod* i hear that -- i've installed a ton of distros testing them out in the last 6-8 months (3 mandrivas, two mepis, one vector linux, one pclinuxos, hoary three times, breezy twice)
[03:40] <sampan> can do it with my eyes closed now
[03:40] <Toma-> cool  thanks
[03:40] <Hobbsee> sampan: hehe nice...
[03:41] <Hobbsee> never bothered trying anything apart from kubuntu/ubuntu
[03:41] <Hobbsee> oh, and i learned the merits of sticking /home on a separate partition, after all the reinstalls!
[03:41] <sampan> yeah for sure! that makes it a -whole- lot easier
[03:42] <Hobbsee> oh yeah
[03:43] <Hobbsee> sampan: oh, i forgot to mention the times where windows decided that it wouldnt install on the space created for it, and decided to take over the entire machine
[03:43] <regeya> Hobbsee: would it at least open the pod bay doors?
[03:43] <sampan> oooooooh ... that bad, evil tricksy windows!
[03:44] <regeya> tricksy windows fools us into wiping out the precious...data
[03:44] <Toma-> thanks laszlok! nice wiki :)
[03:44] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:44] <regeya> wicked wicked false
[03:44] <sampan> all the installs of linux finally nerfed my windowsxp partition -- i think i forgot to defrag it one time and the swapfile or something was at the end of the partition when i resized it -- all sorts of system services were nerfed after that 
[03:44] <Hobbsee> regeya: i dont understand...it's still early in the morning
[03:45] <Hobbsee> hehehe
[03:45] <Hobbsee> i need it for some of the games
[03:45] <sampan> i gave up gaming for linux ;)
[03:45] <sampan> errr lent
[03:45] <Hobbsee> soon it's going to get another reinstall, where it will become a gaming partition, and not be connected to the net at all
[03:45] <Toma-> i play any game i want on linux :)
[03:45] <Hobbsee> i wish
[03:45] <regeya> Hobbsee: I'm sorry, Hobbsee, I'm afraid I cannot explain that.
[03:46] <Hobbsee> ah right
[03:46] <Hobbsee> i'll probably realise what you mean in a couple of hours
[03:46] <sampan> toma-, i wasted 3 years of my life on UT/UT2k3/UT2k4 -- linux was, in part, a conscious choice to make it harder to game so i'll finish my damn phd and get on with life
[03:46] <sampan> errr sorry for the cussword :X
[03:46] <Toma-> i played quaketf right thru my music degree... :P
[03:47] <sampan> you have more discipline than i ;(
[03:47] <Hobbsee> good luck regeya!
[03:47] <Toma-> now i play a good 3 hours of AA or gta3 before work each day
[03:47] <Hobbsee> regeya: i used an RC, there wasnt that many updates
[03:47] <laszlok> Toma-: Finally somebody appreciates my work :)
[03:47] <Toma-> :P
[03:47] <Hobbsee> what'd you do instead?
[03:48] <Toma-> hmm :( AA or let this dvd finish ripping.... im stuck :*(
[03:50] <warlock> anyone else lose their dev icons?
[03:51] <Toma-> not i
[03:51] <warlock> you can see your HD's on the desktop after the update?
[03:51] <Toma-> let me seee
[03:52] <Toma-> oh i havent restarted yet (
[03:52] <Toma-> :(
[03:52] <warlock> lol.. been trying to figure this one out for a while..sigh.. and it was working soooooo nice too
[03:53] <Toma-> tried reconfiguring stuff?
[03:54] <warlock> yup.. all drives working and can be accessed in konqueror through the /mnt. but wont show on the desktop now
[04:00] <warlock> this sucks.. i was happy too. :(
[04:03] <Hobbsee> question: do i have to use aRts, or is there another sound thingo i can use that will give less problems?
[04:04] <unsurreal> anyone available right now
[04:05] <Hobbsee> unsurreal: possibly, definetly not if you dont ask your question
[04:07] <unsurreal> Hobbsee: know anything about konqueror?
[04:07] <kkathman> evening again :)
[04:07] <kkathman> unsurreal: are you still having probs with Konqi?
[04:07] <kkathman> hehe
[04:07] <unsurreal> yes
[04:08] <kkathman> what seems to be the problem?
[04:08] <Hobbsee> morning kkathman
[04:08] <unsurreal> same as earlier, when i navigate to music folder it will make my entire system choppy
[04:08] <kkathman> howdy Hobbsee :)
[04:08] <unsurreal> until i go to a different folder
[04:08] <kkathman> unsurreal: choppy??
[04:09] <sampan> unsurreal  is it loading 'previews' of the sound files?
[04:09] <Hobbsee> kkathman: had to reinstall breezy, cos i was getting so many errors with kde 3.5 beta 2 lol :(
[04:09] <unsurreal> i do not think so
[04:09] <unsurreal> like
[04:09] <unsurreal> mouse , sound, typing wont be smooth
[04:09] <kkathman> Hobbsee: Yes I believe that KDE 3.5 isnt exactly ready for prime time
[04:10] <Hobbsee> kkathman: lol...beta 1 seems to be, but not beta2
[04:10] <kkathman> unsurreal: have you put gkrelm on it to see if there is an unusual hit on the CPU and Mem?
[04:10] <unsurreal> where can i see whats being previed
[04:10] <Hobbsee> kkathman: still, serves me right, seeing as it is a beta, and i tried it as soon as it came out!
[04:10] <unsurreal> lol i can tell u that there is one sec tho
[04:10] <laszlok> Does anyone know approx. release date for 3.5?
[04:11] <kkathman> Hobbsee: well call me a stick in the mud, but I usually wait until the release :)
[04:12] <kkathman> working for 25 years in software development and sales, I know what "beta" really means
[04:12] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:12] <Hobbsee> laszlok: developer.kde.org - i recall november sometime
[04:12] <Hobbsee> kkathman: that means you must be a lot older than me lol...
[04:13] <Hobbsee> and depends on who's makign the beta, as to how stable it is
[04:13] <masterloki> Hi there does anyone is having problems with KDevelop??
[04:13] <masterloki> it just won't start
[04:14] <Hobbsee> masterloki: try running it thru a konsole, and seeing what the error is
[04:14] <Hobbsee> masterloki: also, do you have to run it as root?
[04:14] <propagandhi> kdevelop fine for me
[04:15] <kkathman> Hobbsee: well, I dunno, but Im on downside I think...and its my experience that beta means, in all cases, "we dont have enough people to test everything in a real environment, so let it out and lets see what happens"
[04:15] <masterloki> Hobbsee: do I have to run it as root first?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> lol
[04:15] <Hobbsee> masterloki: not sure, but you can try running kdesu KDevelop
[04:15] <kkathman> and thats based on 25 years experience working with some very big companies :)
[04:16] <Hobbsee> kkathman: where have you worked?  i'm curious now
[04:16] <propagandhi> no u dont need to execute kdevelop as root
[04:16] <Hobbsee> oh ok
[04:16] <Bicchi> My Firefox extensions are not updating? The screen just hangs there and nothing downloads.
[04:17] <masterloki> odd I tried to run KDevelop wizard from menu and it crash but with kdevelop3 it runs fine
[04:18] <Hobbsee> Bicchi: seems to happen here too, always has for me, did you see if there's a bug for it filed?
[04:18] <Bicchi> Hobbsee nope, it happened with hoary also but i thought it would be working by now
[04:19] <Hobbsee> Bicchi: maybe it's a firefox problem, and not a kubuntu/ubuntu problem
[04:20] <Bicchi> Hobbsee i am using gnome so i think its a problem with firefox itself
[04:21] <kkathman> Hobbsee: several companies...right now with Fujitsu, but also with IBM, and a couple of startups, and Texas Instruments
[04:22] <Hobbsee> Bicchi: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=312143 this is it, right?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> kkathman: nice!
[04:22] <kkathman> Bicchi: I need to check that also, I am running straight Firefox here, but on my Win box I run it with extensions
[04:23] <kkathman> Im a bit partial to Opera actually but I havent reinstalled it after my upgrade
[04:24] <Bicchi> kkathman Hobbsee: i was using some script with ubuntu that fixes the problem but its not working on breezy. i did work on hoary.
[04:24] <propagandhi> Opera is awesome
[04:24] <propagandhi> i really like its IRC client too
[04:24] <Hobbsee> ooh nice
[04:25] <Hobbsee> hope you can get it working for breezy!
[04:25] <kkathman> Now that Opera is free, its a no brainer really
[04:26] <Hobbsee> kkathman: lack of adblock though, although i hear there is one extension that will get it back again
[04:27] <kkathman> Oh really?? I have adblock on Firefox on my winbox
[04:27] <kkathman> it works fairly well
[04:27] <propagandhi> has anyone used webcam on kopete
[04:27] <Hobbsee> i meant the lack of adblock on opera, or an equivalent
[04:30] <satafterh> is there a way to revert back to kde 3.4.3
[04:30] <Hobbsee> satafterh: not easily...did anyone find a solution?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> satafterh: IIRC there's a thread on ubuntuforums that says how you could remove it.  search for kde 3.5 beta
[04:31] <satafterh> a system restor feature would be nice right now
[04:32] <Hobbsee> hehe...yeah...i know
[04:33] <satafterh> i will have a look in the forum
[04:35] <kkathman> I wonder if anyone has installed Opera on breezy yet?
[04:35] <kkathman> !opera
[04:36] <kkathman> kewl
[04:36] <propagandhi> i have
[04:36] <Hobbsee> kkathman: i have, not since last nigth though
[04:36] <masterloki> !opera
[04:36] <kkathman> propagandhi:  under hoary I had to install libqt3c1-2-mt....is there something like that I need to do?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> !bot
[04:37] <ubotu> I'm a bot, I'm a bot. Set fire to me, I'll get hot. Reply to hobbsee? I think not. Bot, plot, chicken... rhyming sucks.
[04:37] <Hobbsee> !opera
[04:37] <regeya> !burn
[04:37] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, regeya
[04:37] <Hobbsee> ah, i see
[04:38] <regeya> whiskey tango foxtrot, over
[04:38] <troy> stupid bot...
[04:38] <regeya> !burn ubotu
[04:38] <ubotu> regeya: I don't know, could you explain it?
[04:38] <regeya> !start an editor war
[04:38] <ubotu> gvim is better than xemacs
[04:38] <propagandhi> kkathman: you probably will need to do the same on breezy
[04:42] <ep> how can i tell how much ram i have?
[04:42] <Toma-> 'free'
[04:42] <Toma-> run that for a good time
[04:42] <Hobbsee> ep: kinfocenter
[04:43] <Hobbsee> ep: memory tab
[04:43] <Toma-> katapult is the greatest thing ever.
[04:44] <Hobbsee> it is :)
[04:45] <Hobbsee> i found out that you can just start typing in writer, to get the OO.o writer, instead of having to type the full thing
[04:45] <ep> 128 meg of ram enough for KDE?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> !ram
[04:46] <ubotu> No idea, Hobbsee
[04:46] <Hobbsee> um...
[04:46] <Toma-> ep: yeh, just dont use all the eye-candy
[04:46] <Hobbsee> might run better under gnome, or way better under xfce or another light display manager
[04:46] <Toma-> and dont expect to play bf1942 on it
[04:48] <kkathman> well it looks like opera is uninstallable with breezy :(
[04:48] <Hobbsee> kkathman: where'd you get the installer from?
[04:48] <kkathman> Hobbsee: I went to Opera.com, got the sarge version, no tar
[04:48] <kkathman> downloaded
[04:49] <ecobuntu> why do you want opera out of curiousity?
[04:49] <Hobbsee> kkathman: static deb worked for me before
[04:49] <ecobuntu> why not galeon?
[04:49] <ecobuntu> or epiphany or konqueror or firefox?
[04:49] <kkathman> which one is that Hobbsee?
[04:49] <ecobuntu> or ..add your web browser of choice...
[04:49] <kkathman> ecobuntu: because I like it
[04:49] <Toma-> personal preference i suspect.
[04:49] <ecobuntu> ok
[04:49] <ecobuntu> fair enough!
[04:49] <ecobuntu> have you tried the other ones?
[04:50] <kkathman> Hobbsee: which one is the static deb?
[04:50] <Toma-> ecobuntu: are u a salesman?
[04:50] <Toma-> :)
[04:50] <Hobbsee> kkathman: http://downloads.planetmirror.com/pub/opera/linux/850/final/en/i386/static/opera-static_8.50-20050916.1-qt_en_i386.deb
[04:50] <Hobbsee> the one that says it's a static deb lol...where you pick the version you want
[04:50] <kkathman> thanks Hobbsee  :)
[04:50] <kkathman> I'll try that
[04:50] <Hobbsee> no problems
[04:51] <Hobbsee> works beautifully here, just installed it from that link
[04:51] <kkathman> Hobbsee: I went and got the sarge version...which is what I did in the past, but requires the lib3c102-mt which is not in any of the repos :(
[04:52] <Hobbsee> nah...either grab the ubuntu version, which wasnt working at firs,t or grab the static deb
[04:52] <Hobbsee> that's hwat everyone was syaing when it first came out free
[04:54] <kkathman> Hobbsee: Many thanx!! Works great :)
[04:54] <Hobbsee> no problems :)
[04:54] <kkathman> you da man :)
[04:54] <Hobbsee> hehe...the woman, you mean
[04:54] <kkathman> er..sorry ... woman :)
[04:54] <kkathman> nice :)
[04:54] <Hobbsee> LOL
[04:54] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:54] <kkathman> I very much apologize :)
[04:54] <Hobbsee> it's ok
[04:55] <Hobbsee> many, many people do it, even in RL when i'm clearly wearing a skirt - and i have long hair and look very much like a girl, so they have no excuse!
[04:55] <kkathman> Hobbsee: well, its hard to know here, but I appreciate your help :) Works great!
[04:56] <Hobbsee> hehe...yeah, i know.  glad to help :)
[04:56] <Hobbsee> LOL
[04:56] <sampan> hard to judge gender on irc
[04:56] <Hobbsee> it's not like my nick is feminine or anything
[04:56] <Hobbsee> yeah, and on here, most people are male, same as the forums
[04:56] <sampan> heh it can work both ways though hobbsee -- i used to hang out on undernet as "bamboo"
[04:57] <Hobbsee> mmm...that could be either
[04:57] <sampan> the number of guys who would hit on me thinking i was a willowy asian woman ... was amazing :/
[04:57] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:57] <Hobbsee> which is precisely why i dont give out the links to my pictures on the net
[04:57] <sampan> smart
[04:57] <Hobbsee> very, and they're named oddly (ie dont have hobbsee in them) so they wont come up via a google search
[04:59] <kkathman> Hobbsee: lol, well I wouldnt ask for pictures...I'm very happily married, and have been for 28 years
[04:59] <sampan> yeah -- it's best to keep things like your irc nick and other 'web-presences' completely separated -- people -DO- searches like that
[04:59] <Hobbsee> sampan: mmm...pity it's a little late for that
[05:00] <Hobbsee> kkathman: lol...you're a lot older than me then!  and they wouldnt be bad pictures, so dont worry :P
[05:00] <kkathman> haha :)
[05:00] <kkathman> geez I feel ALOT older now :)
[05:00] <Hobbsee> hehehe
[05:01] <kkathman> Hobbsee: not THAT old :)
[05:01] <kkathman> haha
[05:02] <kkathman> you are as old as you feel and act (please believe me that's scary in my case :)
[05:02] <Hobbsee> fess up, how old are you then?
[05:02] <kkathman> 52
[05:02] <Hobbsee> bah...that's hardly old at all
[05:03] <frank23> I know 50 year olds who feel and act younger than my 25 year old roommate!
[05:03] <sampan> thanks for that opera link -- worked perfect
[05:03] <kkathman> I have 3 children, one just turned 23 and is graduating college in December headed for law school in the Fall, 2006, one that is a junior in college, theatre arts major, and my youngest is about to be 16 a soph in HS
[05:03] <Hobbsee> sampan: even if it's too late for that, i do make sure that hobbsee doesnt link to anything that has my real address / info for finding me, etc
[05:03] <Hobbsee> ooh nice!
[05:04] <sampan> hobbsee, that's smart ... i only learned the hard way to keep things separated myself ... when i started getting calls at my residence from people on irc, i really had to do some clean up -- it's not fun but it sounds like you got it covered :)
[05:05] <Hobbsee> ooh...ouch...
[05:05] <Hobbsee> sampan: you're welcome to go search for me at google - see how far you get
[05:05] <Hobbsee> you'll find that my whois reveals more than any of that does...
[05:05] <Hobbsee> location wise, anywya
[05:05] <frank23> sampan: were the calls from guys who thought you were a "willowy asian woman"?
[05:05] <sampan> hahahaha lol i'll take your word for it ... never been much of the 'stalker' type!
[05:06] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:06] <frank23> lol
[05:06] <Hobbsee> well, i have the advantage that i know what you'd have to use to go and find me
[05:06] <sampan> frank23, lol -- thankfully no!  my wife would have been most disturbed by those: "what haven't you been telling me???"
[05:06] <frank23> lol
[05:06] <Hobbsee> then of course, if you wanted to visit, you would have to buy an expensive plane ticket, so that would probably stop you
[05:07] <sampan> pfffffft, i'll be just north of you in a few short months ;)
[05:07] <Hobbsee> ooh goody, in queensland?
[05:07] <frank23> Hobbsee: no need for that: from here I just need to dig a very very very deep hole
[05:07] <Hobbsee> be nice and warm up there
[05:07] <sampan> still a plane ticket, but not that expensive from taiwan to australia ;)
[05:07] <Hobbsee> good point
[05:08] <Hobbsee> that assumes that they make your luggage go with you, too
[05:14] <Hobbsee> hmmm...this is scary..most of the stuff coming up for Hobbsee is actually me
[05:15] <kkathman> Gosh are you promoting your celebrity?
[05:15] <sampan> lol
[05:15] <kkathman> Hmm.. this bikini pic is nice (jk)
[05:15] <Hobbsee> hehe no, i was curious
[05:15] <Hobbsee> LOL
[05:15] <Hobbsee> something tells me you'll never find a picture of me in a bikini online
[05:15] <MachineScrew> when I compile somthing from source what do i 'make' to make a deb pkg
[05:15] <kkathman> somthing tells me I would never look :)
[05:16] <MachineScrew> checkinstall ?
[05:16] <_chavo> MachineScrew, make checkinstall
[05:16] <zaphar_ps> MachineScrew: dpkg --buildpackage also works I think
[05:16] <MachineScrew> _chavo: ok if it dosn't work what deb devel package do I need to apt-get
[05:17] <zaphar_ps> MachineScrew: sorry I meant dpkg-buildpackage
[05:17] <zaphar_ps> it automatically builds and creates a debian package based off the debian rules
[05:17] <kkathman> l have no bikini pic BTW
[05:18] <MachineScrew> zaphar_ps: what packages do I need to make deb packages ?
[05:18] <MachineScrew> any ?
[05:18] <frank23> zaphar_ps: what? you can do ./configure    make    dpkg-buildpackage?
[05:18] <MachineScrew> zaphar_ps: I know rpm need it 
[05:18] <Hobbsee> kkathman: i'm very glad of that!
[05:18] <godzero> Does anyone have windows compositing working with ati/fglrx?
[05:18] <MachineScrew> the rpm-devel package
[05:18] <MachineScrew> that is
[05:18] <MachineScrew> when on a rpm system
[05:19] <MachineScrew> zaphar_ps: I will try it see what happens
[05:19] <MachineScrew> zaphar_ps: the theme is still compileing
[05:20] <MachineScrew> really awsome them I am getting
[05:20] <MachineScrew> Mech-Tek 500
[05:21] <frank23> MachineScrew: when I install from source, I do  ./configure   make  checkinstall
[05:21] <MachineScrew> based in part on baghira theme I wan't the latest one
[05:21] <frank23> MachineScrew: are those themes for kde?
[05:21] <MachineScrew> frank23: make checkinstall says there is no rule for checkinstall 
[05:21] <MachineScrew> frank23: ya
[05:22] <MachineScrew> frank23: found it on kde-look
[05:22] <frank23> MachineScrew: make first to compile   then checkinstall to build the deb and install it
[05:22] <frank23> checkinstall replaces make install
[05:22] <MachineScrew> frank23: i did that with some other programs but it didn't work i do ./configure and then make
[05:23] <MachineScrew> frank23: one sec I give you the error
[05:23] <MachineScrew> make: *** No rule to make target `checkinstall'.  Stop.
[05:24] <MachineScrew> frank23: that is why I was wondering if I need and deb devel packages to make debs
[05:25] <frank23> MachineScrew: are you writing   checkinstall   instead of make install?
[05:25] <MachineScrew> frank23: and if so what are they so I can apt-get them
[05:25] <MachineScrew> frank23: yes
[05:25] <frank23> MachineScrew: I don't know how to make debs any other way
[05:26] <MachineScrew> hence why is gave the error about checkinstall
[05:26] <MachineScrew> frank23: I am just asking are there debian-development packages to make deb pkgs
[05:27] <frank23> MachineScrew: I'm sure there are but I have no idea what they are
[05:27] <MachineScrew> frank23: dpkgfosster is not included on a default install 
[05:27] <MachineScrew> frank23: ok I will look
[05:27] <kkathman> Dang Opera rocks!!
[05:27] <propagandhi> I'm sure he was typeing 'make checkinstall'
[05:28] <kkathman> for once, its almost the same under Linux as under Windows :)
[05:28] <eitan> Hello, how do I get media codecs on kubuntu breezy?
[05:28] <propagandhi> kkathman: totally agree
[05:28] <propagandhi> !media
[05:28] <ubotu> propagandhi: I don't know
[05:28] <nalioth> make checkinstall
[05:28] <dumycrasher> you can try "apt-cache search deb development"
[05:28] <dumycrasher> to see if there is anything therer
[05:29] <propagandhi> !win32codecs
[05:29] <ubotu> propagandhi: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[05:29] <propagandhi> !win32codec
[05:29] <ubotu> propagandhi: I haven't a clue
[05:30] <propagandhi> whats that command!!!
[05:30] <frank23> !w32codecs
[05:30] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats deb to download: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[05:31] <propagandhi> thats the studd
[05:31] <propagandhi> stuff
[05:31] <eitan> hmmm...tinyurl...where have i seen that before...
[05:31] <frank23> hmmm... what does w32codecs have to do with DVDs? (ubotus message)
[05:32] <newubuntu> hello all
[05:32] <propagandhi> !mark
[05:32] <ubotu> A -- MARK -- message is printed in the log every 15 minutes, so you know the logger is running. This is perfectly normal. Your kernel has not been hacked by a danish guy called 'Mark'.
[05:33] <newubuntu> is there anyone here who might help me figure out a thing or two about running Ubuntu on an older imac?
[05:35] <eitan> oh hey...vlc works...cool
[05:36] <frank23> eitan: vlc rocks
[05:37] <eitan> frank23: yes...it's pretty cool...i wish it was easy to get codecs on breezy like it was on hoary tho
[05:38] <frank23> eitan: yeah they cleaned up hoary-extras
[05:38] <kkathman> yanno the ubuntu people should change the ubuntuguide.org main page..its still at 5.04
[05:38] <frank23> there is still this: http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf
[05:39] <frank23> kkathman: ubuntuguide.org is not official and not recommended
[05:39] <kkathman> BS frank23  its been a reputable guide in the past
[05:39] <frank23> !ubuntuguide
[05:39] <ubotu> methinks ubuntuguide is out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide is the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[05:40] <kkathman> and it HAS been recommended highly by many
[05:40] <eitan> frank23: yes...it's pretty cool...i wish it was easy to get codecs on breezy like it was on hoary tho/
[05:40] <kkathman> I agree its out of date for sure
[05:40] <eitan> huh...that's not what i typed
[05:40] <kkathman> but I couldnt have gotten through hoary without it 
[05:41] <eitan> it was nice for hoary...they need to make one for breezy
[05:41] <kkathman> yes
[05:41] <frank23> eitan: they can't do it officially.  libdvdcss is not legal everywhere and w32codecs is legal nowhere
[05:42] <Tm_T> good morning
[05:42] <kkathman> frank23: how much of the ubotu factoid there was political do you think?
[05:42] <kkathman> hey Tm_T  :)
[05:42] <eitan> well...that's fine...i'm happy to use unofficial repositories...i just need a guide to tell me how because i'm too nooby to figure it out myself
[05:43] <frank23> kkathman: about the ubuntuguide?  the main problem with it is that it's nice for people who know linux but dangerous if you don't what you're doing
[05:43] <sampan> heh, i went one step further into unofficial-dom with hoary; i used that community-cd (downloaded via bittorrent)  which had everything on it and then a script to install
[05:43] <frank23> !tell eitan about restricted
[05:44] <frank23> !tell eitan about w32codecs
[05:44] <frank23> eitan: should take care of pretty much everything you need
[05:44] <propagandhi> 3.5 beta2 is very buggy
[05:45] <kkathman> frank23: ok I appreciate your opinion on that :)
[05:45] <eitan> umm...i'm confused...i read "!tell eitan about restricted"
[05:45] <sampan> eitan  ubuto should have sent you some private messages
[05:45] <eitan> oh
[05:45] <godzero> propagandhi: DO you have problems with vidoe not being keyed (Painted on the actual screen)?
[05:45] <frank23> sampan: for breezy there is something called easy-ubuntu in the forums. It installs stuff your you
[05:46] <propagandhi> godzero: no not that problem, but dozens of others
[05:46] <sampan> frank23  yeah ... and there's the "automatix" script too -- i wanted to be a little more independent this time
[05:46] <propagandhi> does anyone know or use this http://klik.atekon.de/
[05:47] <sampan> plus, i'm not really concerned with playing dvds or most video ... so that makes it easier -- just audio stuff needed to be dealt with
[05:47] <frank23> sampan: yeah you don't learn anything with those scripts
[05:47] <sampan> yep -- that's exactly right
[05:47] <godzero> propagandhi: I wonder if it has to do with my ati setup, can't get compositing to work, pluss beta 2 killed kaffiene
[05:47] <guyabano> sos please... hi there, i am connected to the network but i cant see other computers but i can ping them
[05:47] <eitan> thanx frank23
[05:48] <frank23> eitan: no problem
[05:48] <guyabano> sos please... hi there, i am connected to the network but i cant see other computers but i can ping them
[05:48] <propagandhi> godzero: I couldnt tell you, but I thought beta 1 was really good, i didnt expect beta 2 to be worse, at least not this much worse
[05:48] <kkathman> guyabano: ok what kind of network protocol are you using?
[05:48] <frank23> guyabano: what do you mean: can't see other computers
samba
[05:48] <kkathman> guyabano: excellent...do you have both linux and windows on the network?
 i need to access files from other computers
yes sir
[05:49] <godzero> propagandhi: ;P none of the bugs with beta 1 that I ran into are fixed
[05:49] <godzero> pluss a couple new ones
[05:49] <kkathman> ahh I see frank23  is addressing your needs...I shall retreat :)
[05:49] <propagandhi> yeah same here, i think they just multiplied the bugginess
[05:49] <frank23> kkathman: umm I'm not an expert with samba
[05:50] <guyabano> please help me
[05:50] <propagandhi> guyabano: try smb4k
[05:50] <frank23> !tell guyabano about samba
[05:50] <propagandhi> also, if they're on windows, you might need to allow the samba ports through the windows firewalls
[05:51] <propagandhi> ports 137,138 and 139 i think - but not 100% on that
 my pc is kubuntu
[05:51] <frank23> guyabano: did you get the message from ubotu?
 yeah
[05:52] <godzero> guyabano: if you want *nix <--> *nix, maybe fish would be better, especially under kde
[05:52] <guyabano> :( i dont understand
[05:52] <propagandhi> guyabano: thats nice but what about the computers you're trying to access
[05:52] <propagandhi> what operating system are they running?
[05:52] <guyabano> im trying to access a computer running on kubuntu
[05:52] <guyabano> too
[05:52] <kkathman> well time to retire...night all
[05:53] <propagandhi> ok, so you can use SSH, and the fish protocol as suggested by frank23
[05:53] <godzero> fish is a secure ssh tunnel that the file transfers work thru...
[05:53] <frank23> propagandhi: I didn't suggest fish...
[05:54] <propagandhi> sorry i meant godzero
[05:54] <propagandhi> !ssh
[05:54] <ubotu> methinks ssh is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SSHHowto
[05:54] <guyabano> when i try to access the ipaddress/name of the computer, the message was:  could not connect to host for smb://bigas/
[05:55] <frank23> guyabano: basically install samba and then open konqueror and select network shares
[05:55] <propagandhi> guyabano: you may already have enough to use fish, try this 'fish://xxx.xxx.xxx'
[05:55] <propagandhi> where 'x' is  a number of the ip address
[05:56] <frank23> propagandhi: kubuntu doesn't have a ssh server by default
[05:56] <propagandhi> frank23: fair enough, so he can 'apt-get install openssh' ?? is that right
[05:56] <frank23> yeah
[05:57] <propagandhi> openssh-server i think
[05:57] <frank23> actually I never used fish but it seems very easy to use
[05:57] <propagandhi> its heaps goods
[05:57] <propagandhi> good
[05:57] <guyabano> it says openssh-server is already the newest version
[05:58] <propagandhi> guyabano: ok, now use that fish:// statement i mentioned
[05:58] <guyabano> An error occurred while loading fish://192.168.0.1:
[05:58] <guyabano> Could not connect to host 192.168.0.1.
[05:58] <propagandhi> ok, is openssh-server on both machines
[05:58] <propagandhi> you might need to start the daemon as well
[05:58] <guyabano> how do i start a daemon
[05:59] <propagandhi> with '/usr/sbin/sshd' i think
[05:59] <propagandhi> type that in a terminal
[05:59] <godzero> 192.168.0.1 maybe wrong (192.168.X.1 is usually a router)
[05:59] <guyabano> but thats the ipaddess of our server
[06:00] <propagandhi> ok, so thats the gateway as well?
[06:00] <guyabano> yes
[06:00] <propagandhi> lol
[06:01] <godzero> your gateway is running kubuntu?
[06:01] <guyabano> yeah
[06:01] <regeya> rock ON
[06:02] <regeya> and a big spoiler!
[06:02] <regeya> GROUND EFFECTS!
[06:02] <propagandhi> lol
[06:02] <guyabano> ok.... i think ill eat first, and inquire here again later... this whole stuff made me hungry... im starving..........
[06:03] <regeya> maybe some hydraulics...
[06:03] <guyabano> thanks for those who try to hekp
[06:03] <guyabano> helo
[06:03] <guyabano> help
[06:03] <guyabano> bye 
[06:03] <godzero> that meens the target machine has more that 1 nic... I'm not sure if openssh binds to a nic/ipaddr. may also be a fire wall issue
[06:03] <regeya> I almost said 'hasta'
[06:03] <propagandhi> that guy was a freak
[06:03] <regeya> that would have been a major faux pas
[06:03] <propagandhi> 'hello help bye' ???
[06:05] <dreamwave> good evening.  i'd like to install kde into my ubuntu 5.10 system.  what's the main package i should fetch?
[06:05] <frank23> dreamwave: kubuntu-desktop
[06:05] <dreamwave> frank23: ah.  thanks
[06:07] <regeya> otoh, here I am, typing away.
[06:08] <regeya> wheee.  it's as if an upgrade isn't really going on.  BUT IT IS.  yeah, I was introduced to debian years ago, but after doing the Panther->Tiger shuffle a while back, I'm delighted all over again
[06:08] <godzero> propagandhi: what other bugs have you ran into?
[06:08] <propagandhi> konqueror occasionally crashing, the kicker/panel crashing
[06:08] <propagandhi> way more lag than i'd like at times
[06:09] <propagandhi> like window rendering when switching between/multi-tasking seems very poor
[06:09] <godzero> kaffeine sefaults, lots of kde apps segfault on close..
[06:10] <godzero> drawing is really slow
[06:10] <propagandhi> yeah, it makes me a very sad panda
[06:10] <_chavo> propagandhi, I run 3.5 too, but build it from source. I haven't had that many problems
[06:10] <_chavo> a couple of issues yes, but nothing major
[06:11] <godzero> that's what I'm wandering... bad source, or bad compile
[06:11] <_chavo> of course 3.5 final is still about a month away
[06:11] <godzero> wondering
[06:11] <propagandhi> _chavo: i wouldnt class mine as major, I can deal with it, but I used the binaries, will consider source. I'm also running 3.5 beta 2 on Suse 10
[06:11] <godzero> same hardware?
[06:11] <propagandhi> yep
[06:11] <godzero> better?
[06:11] <satafterh> KDE 3.5beta2 pretty buggy?
[06:12] <_chavo> I had a problem with kmail crashing, but tracked it down to one certain message which was spam anyway
[06:12] <propagandhi> umm, it actually is performing a little better under suse than it is under ubuntu
[06:12] <_chavo> also scrolling with mouse wheel in konq on large pages eats up a lot of cpu
[06:12] <propagandhi> but as i prefer using kubuntu, i have taken more note of those issues
[06:13] <propagandhi> _chavo: yes i have seen that too
[06:13] <satafterh> #propagandhi - what do you think of suse
[06:13] <godzero> I still think the gcc 3.4 --> 4.0.x migration will be causing a lotta bugs for a while
[06:13] <_chavo> ah ok so it's not just me
[06:13] <propagandhi> I really like Suse 10 hey
[06:13] <ecobuntu> kde easts up a lot cpu!
[06:13] <ecobuntu> oops eats up
[06:13] <propagandhi> bahh.. kde kicks butt
[06:13] <ecobuntu> i like kde it
[06:13] <cyne> anyone know how to insert an image into an email in Kontact?
[06:13] <ecobuntu> but it's a hog on my computer
[06:14] <ecobuntu> but so much nice eye candy!
[06:14] <propagandhi> ecobuntu: whats the setup u run?
[06:14] <propagandhi> as in hardware
[06:14] <ecobuntu> dell inspiron 11100 celeron processor
[06:14] <ecobuntu> whoops 
[06:14] <ecobuntu> 1100
[06:14] <frank23> ecobuntu: you gotta suffer to be pretty
[06:14] <_chavo> ecobuntu, KDE runs great here, very fast
[06:14] <ecobuntu> i know
[06:14] <ecobuntu> i've run kde on this
[06:14] <_chavo> woah 11G processor!!!11111
[06:14] <propagandhi> Suse 10 has excellent hardware detection, really good laptop support from what i've seen, power management wise, resolution etc
[06:14] <ecobuntu> it's not slow
[06:14] <ecobuntu> it's just not as quick as gnome
[06:15] <propagandhi> and it even correctly configured my touchpad with 4 way scroll perfectly
[06:15] <_chavo> well for me KDE is quicker, could be because I build it from source and some of the patches I used
[06:15] <sampan> kde feels quicker to me too -- even just straight out of the box
[06:15] <ecobuntu> i like both kde and gnome
[06:16] <ecobuntu> but i think i prefer gnome a little more 
[06:16] <sampan> gnome always feels like the menus take two seconds to open -- plus, it's just plain-jane
[06:16] <_chavo> Yeah to me Gnome feeels the slowest
[06:16] <propagandhi> i cant stand gnome, for my own personal reasons
[06:16] <ecobuntu> i am not currently running kde anyways
[06:16] <sampan> if i'm gonna run something so 'plain', i'll use xfce
[06:16] <regeya> gnome is nice, but yeah, a bit plain.
[06:16] <_chavo> gnome is just too stripped down and simplified
[06:16] <sampan> same plain-ness and lightning fast
[06:16] <cyne> anyone know how to insert an image into an email in Kontact?
[06:16] <_chavo> it's great if you're just starting out
[06:16] <ecobuntu> lol gnome is?
[06:16] <ecobuntu> more than kde?
[06:16] <ecobuntu> how do you figure?
[06:17] <ecobuntu> kde is way more like windows
[06:17] <frank23> actually windows->kde transition is much easier
[06:17] <ecobuntu> i agree frank23
[06:17] <_chavo> I didn't say windows->Linux
[06:17] <regeya> ecobuntu: even kde devs have acknowledged that kde needs work in the usability dept.  hush. :-)
[06:17] <sampan> kde has so many options though -- so it's easy to get overwhelmed for someone just new -- but the default is pretty windowish
[06:17] <godzero> cyne: I don't use kontact much, but I wouldhave thought drag-n-drop would work
[06:17] <ecobuntu> anyways i like them both
[06:18] <regeya> bear in mind that people could--and I know this is a stretch--have an ubuntu box be their first computer-using experience.
[06:18] <frank23> _chavo: maybe you're right. gnome would be simpler for a new computer user
[06:18] <ecobuntu> i like in ubuntu that they look different too not like in fedora
[06:18] <_chavo> I just like a lot of the little things KDE does, remembering window positions, changing desktops with scrollwheel, etc
[06:18] <sampan> regeya, it's a theoretical possibility you mean ;)
[06:18] <regeya> honest to pete, I live in the good ol' u.s.-of-a. and I just had the pleasure of introducing someone to the world of desktop computing.
[06:18] <regeya> I wish I was joking.
[06:18] <propagandhi> i also like kde's software selection a lot better than gnomes
[06:19] <propagandhi> not that i dont use gnome software
[06:19] <regeya> worse, she was hired for a job where she'd primarily be using computers.
[06:19] <sampan> yikes 
[06:19] <regeya> even more horrible, I'll be the one keeping her computer running. *wink*
[06:19] <_chavo> I have gnome installed too, I only really use the Gimp and synaptic though
[06:19] <godzero> I still don't think (k)ubuntu is as polished as the older desktop distros, but that's not why I use it
[06:20] <ecobuntu> the only kde apps i care for our kaffeine and amarok
[06:20] <ecobuntu> our/are
[06:20] <regeya> I use, hm, kino comes to mind, also inkscape.
[06:20] <ecobuntu> i've heard inkscape is pretty neat
[06:20] <ecobuntu> i've never used it
[06:20] <sampan> konsole is a huge draw for me -- all the other term programs seem to mess up with irssi output at some point
[06:20] <godzero> konqueror is my favorite browser. 10x better than firefox
[06:21] <ecobuntu> i like galeon
[06:21] <stupac> amen to that
[06:21] <chavo> yes I think konq is the best browser out there
[06:21] <stupac> unfortunatly I wish it had the extensions of firefox
[06:21] <chavo> stupac, which extensions?
[06:21] <godzero> most of the extentions I wanted are already in konq
[06:21] <stupac> I'm big on the stumbler one, do they have that one for konqueror now?
[06:22] <propagandhi> opera is getting pretty damn good, but it still has a few rendering issues 
[06:22] <godzero> stumble apon, not that I know of
[06:22] <stupac> yeah thats it, I just wish it had that
[06:22] <propagandhi> i like how you can have browsing, email and IRC all in the one app
[06:23] <godzero> opera is off my list. proprietory and all that
[06:23] <stupac> but for practicality, but it's superior in all else
[06:23] <chavo> oh don't know what that is. I don't really like firefox it seemjs out of place in any platform
[06:23] <stupac> yeah, can't stand the adds
[06:23] <propagandhi> there are no ads
[06:23] <propagandhi> its open source now
[06:23] <regeya> wow, this crowd is better than gnome crowds; usually hear the p&m sessions about how much better and more integrated epiphany is.
[06:23] <chavo> yeah opera is free now
[06:23] <godzero> free, yes, but source?
[06:24] <regeya> not nearly as integrated as konq, but heh
[06:24] <sampan> they still require you to click an EULA
[06:24] <sampan> i just installed it
[06:24] <stupac> on opera? pretty neat, I'll have to check it out
[06:24] <chavo> stupac, as of the latest version opera has no more ads
[06:24] <sampan> the static deb (for opera) worked perfect for me
[06:24] <propagandhi> ok, maybe not open source
[06:24] <propagandhi> but free in any case
[06:24] <sampan> free, no ads, but still proprietary
[06:25] <propagandhi> and its mail facility rivals most, as well as its IRC client, and the browser has gotten a lot better than when i was checking it out a few years back
[06:25] <godzero> bummer, had my happy for a sec there
[06:25] <regeya> and that's what I like about it, chavo.  looks somewhat native, but also looks very similar on all supported platforms.  whatever floats your boat. :-)  heh, on my kubuntu box I switch between konq and ff, and at work on os x I switch between safari and ff.
[06:25] <godzero> s/my/me
[06:26] <regeya> real shame about safari's khtml codebase veering further away from mainline khtml though.  apple's branch seems to work very nice.
[06:27] <godzero> I use konq90%/firefox10% fire fox is ok for a slim browser, pluss it works with some sites konq doesn't fully(like gmail)
[06:27] <Tm_T> :(
[06:27] <chavo> godzero, gmail works for me in konq
[06:27] <regeya> ooh, hand't tried konq w/gmail yet
[06:28] <Tm_T> gtalk works for me on kopete ;)
[06:28] <godzero> gmail's advanced stuff doesn't work, like settings
[06:28] <sampan> yeah
[06:28] <chavo> change your browser identification for google maps and it loads fine
[06:29] <regeya> awesome.
[06:29] <DigitalHobbit> can anyone recommend a reliable and fast US mirror? looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive right now
[06:30] <chavo> I set mine to Mozilla 1.7.3 and the maps work great
[06:30] <godzero> why do I type "plus" with 2 Ss today? gotta be that crack I'm smoking. Look back, every plus is spelled pluss, arg
[06:30] <laszlok> konqueror is awesome - i just discivered web shortcuts
[06:30] <xbl> help!!! my X can't start!
[06:31] <laszlok> firefox takes too long to load compared to konqueror (which is preloaded under KDE)
[06:31] <xbl> i have installed kubuntu 5.10 and ubuntu for i think 7 time already
[06:31] <frank23> laszlok: just leave firefox on on one desktop screen
[06:31] <godzero> well 1/4 - 1/2 preloaded anyways
[06:33] <xbl> please help....
[06:33] <el-stupido> morning
[06:38] <godzero> how do you revert to kde 3.4.x ? remove the entrys from sources.list and aptget update/upgrade?
[06:38] <propagandhi> xbl: whats the error
[06:38] <godzero> propagandhi: too slow
[06:39] <godzero> I ran out for a cigarette, and he had logged out. ppl got give it a few minutes when the ask a question before the take off
[06:40] <frank23> godzero: its more complicated than that... 
[06:40] <godzero> frank23: that's what I thought
[06:40] <propagandhi> godzero: thats funny, thats exactly what I just did too
[06:41] <frank23> godzero: there is no easy way to downgrade and to tell you the truth I don't know exactly how to do it
[06:41] <el-stupido> hmm.. i just installed UT GOTY and when i run the application it does nothing.. just sits there for a long time..
[06:41] <godzero> frank23: short of ripping out kde and reinsatlling it
[06:41] <propagandhi> I'm resigned to being patient and waiting for the next beta/final
[06:41] <frank23> godzero: yeah that's what I would do!
[06:42] <godzero> I think I'll grin and bear it
[06:42] <godzero> too many apps installed that depend on qt, etc
[06:42] <el-stupido> anyone can help?
[06:42] <manveru> i just got the breezy-badger live-dvd, but when i type 'live' at the promt, it wants me to install
[06:43] <godzero> el-stupido: lanch it from konsole, note the errors if any
[06:43] <frank23> el-stupido: try to run it in a console. error message?
[06:43] <el-stupido> k
[06:44] <manveru> i mean, i wanted to install kubuntu anyway, but i need to know if it works fine with my hardware
[06:44] <godzero> why does the name el-stupido make me think of homer simpson in a zoro outfit? Must be tooooo late.
[06:44] <frank23> manveru: I never tried the dvd... it won't boot live?
[06:45] <manveru> exactly
[06:45] <manveru> it 'loads installer components from cd' and fails to copy something
[06:46] <el-stupido> can I just paste the error here?
[06:46] <godzero> manveru: may be a bad burn... 
[06:46] <frank23> manveru: I don't know... try the live cd instead?
[06:46] <el-stupido> godzero: Can I just paste the error here?
[06:46] <manveru> yeah, i thought so
[06:46] <godzero> el-stupido: no
[06:46] <el-stupido> ok
[06:46] <godzero> el-stupido: pastebin it
[06:46] <manveru> i certainly won't dl the cd as well... just hardly got the 3GB down
[06:46] <godzero> unless it's 1 line
[06:46] <el-stupido> godzero: how do i do that? what is it lol
[06:47] <godzero> pastebin.con
[06:47] <manveru> el-stupido; rafb.net/paste
[06:47] <godzero> .com
[06:47] <frank23> look at the topic
[06:47] <godzero> Don't flood the channel: use http://kubuntu.pastebin.com 
[06:47] <el-stupido> hehe ok
[06:47] <el-stupido> thankyou
[06:48] <manveru> ah, checking dvd-integrity shows me some errors...
[06:48] <manveru> so lets burn it again
[06:48] <el-stupido> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/398350
[06:48] <el-stupido> this is awesome
[06:48] <el-stupido> <3 KUbuntu (Linux)
[06:48] <godzero> I don't know why, but a lot of install disks burn bad... dunno why
[06:49] <chavo> godzero, I've noticed that also, I just burn them at a slower speed and it seems to help
[06:49] <el-stupido> wont work even if i use sudo
[06:49] <el-stupido> :/
[06:49] <godzero> el-stupido: sudo /usr/local/games$ ut
[06:50] <godzero> hrm
[06:50] <el-stupido> same error
[06:50] <frank23> el-stupido: how did you install it?
[06:50] <el-stupido> Couldn't run Unreal Tournament (ut-bin). Is UT_DATA_PATH set?   <--- this bit
[06:51] <el-stupido> i used the Loki installer
[06:51] <el-stupido> i have the 2 cd pack GOTY
[06:51] <el-stupido> installations successful (least what it told me)
[06:51] <el-stupido> but i did run into trouble installing the NVidia drivers
[06:51] <godzero> sudo rm -r /home/shantanu/.loki   ??? try again
[06:52] <frank23> el-stupido: glxinfo | grep direct   to check 3d
[06:53] <el-stupido> ok.... it came up with a lot of gibberish
[06:53] <el-stupido> lol
[06:53] <el-stupido> cant make head or tail of that
[06:53] <frank23> el-stupido: what giberish?
[06:54] <frank23> from glxinfo?
[06:54] <el-stupido> pastebin again?
[06:54] <frank23> one line:   glxinfo | grep direct
[06:55] <godzero> chavo: I never had a prob myself with dvds, but you see a lot of it in the channels and forums
[06:55] <el-stupido> no direct rendering
[06:55] <frank23> el-stupido: 3d acceleration does not work
[06:55] <el-stupido> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[06:55] <el-stupido> hmm...
[06:56] <el-stupido> so you think ut might not be running cos of the driver?
[06:56] <fatejudger> what the hell is up with Java in Breezy?
[06:56] <frank23> did you install nvidia with synaptic or adept?
[06:56] <fatejudger> Azureus doesn't work anymore
[06:56] <godzero> el-stupido: you'll need to load the module, or reboot to load the module after a driver install
[06:56] <el-stupido> neither.. i downloaded the NVidia 7676 driver yesterday for 32 bit but couldnt install them
[06:56] <frank23> el-stupido: I don't know if it's the drivers fault but   you need   direct rendering: Yes
[06:56] <frank23> el-stupido: its easier to install with adept
[06:57] <frank23> !tell el-stupido about nvidia
[06:57] <frank23> fatejudger: you upgraded and azureus stopped working?
[06:57] <frank23> sudo update-alternatives java
[06:57] <fatejudger> I formatted and reinstalled
[06:57] <godzero> ya, just adept|synaptic, search & install nvidia stuff, edit xorg.conf, reboot
[06:58] <stupac> I just tried upgrading to breezy, and I got an error half way through
[06:58] <fatejudger> but that's the GNU java compiler right?
[06:58] <frank23> fatejudger: oh.. you need to install a real java
[06:58] <stupac> now half my stuff doesn't work
[06:58] <fatejudger> frank23: I tried downloading it off of their website
[06:58] <fatejudger> frank23: but the preinstalled one overwrites it
[06:58] <stupac> I'm trying to get openoffice back cause I gotta write a paper for psych due monday
[06:58] <fatejudger> frank23: Azureus only uses the preinstalled one
[06:58] <el-stupido> frank23: I dont seem to have Adept .. should i just apt-get it?
[06:58] <fatejudger> I either need to remove that one
[06:58] <fatejudger> or I don't know
[06:59] <godzero> el-stupido: not on breezy? what you waiting for?
[06:59] <frank23> fatejudger: no  if you installed a sun java,      sudo update-alternatives java  lets you choose what will be used
[06:59] <fatejudger> frank23: well I uninstalled it
[06:59] <stupac> I'm trying to fix the broken packages on my system cause I think that will fix it, but heres the error I get: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/398358
[06:59] <fatejudger> frank23: someone referred me to a package
[06:59] <frank23> el-stupido:   use synaptic or kynaptic
[06:59] <fatejudger> but the package made my computer crash
[06:59] <frank23> !javadebs
[07:00] <ubotu> methinks javadebs is for sun java debs packaged for ubuntu, Install from http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or javadebs is for sun java debs packaged for ubuntu, Install from http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[07:00] <insanekane> el-stupido: you can install it using 'sudo apt-get install adept'
[07:00] <el-stupido> frank23: i dont seem to have them
[07:00] <frank23> el-stupido: system->package manager
[07:00] <el-stupido> grr i have Adept
[07:00] <el-stupido> lol sorry
[07:01] <frank23> el-stupido: install nvidia-glx
[07:02] <insanekane> stupac: what error did you get ?
[07:02] <el-stupido> frank23: done
[07:02] <stupac> you can see it all, http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/398358
[07:02] <frank23> el-stupido: now sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[07:03] <insanekane> stupac: delete the file, and just apt-get it again ... most probably a bad download
[07:03] <el-stupido> sudo: nvidia-glx-config: command not found
[07:03] <insanekane> stupac: sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org2-help-en-us_1.9.129-0.1ubuntu5_all.deb ....
[07:03] <fatejudger> frank23: that's the package that made my computer crash
[07:03] <insanekane> stupac: then, sudo apt-get install openoffice.org2
[07:03] <stupac> I'll give that a try real fast
[07:04] <frank23> fatejudger: what do you mean your computer crashed?
[07:04] <insanekane> stupac: but ... i don't see why you need the help files to actually run OOo2
[07:04] <manveru> ok, second dvd was bad as well
[07:04] <el-stupido> frank23: it wont work mate says command invalid
[07:05] <stupac> I never get past the splash screen though, so I'm not sure what is up
[07:05] <godzero> stupac: also try unistalling OOo2, then reistall it
[07:05] <el-stupido> frank23: or not found rather
[07:05] <frank23> el-stupido: try again...  sudo /usr/sbin/nvidia-glx-config enable  maybe
[07:05] <manveru> the same package (acpi-modules) has wrong checksum
[07:05] <fatejudger> frank23: the screen was completely screwed up
[07:05] <fatejudger> frank23: like X had totally crashed
[07:05] <frank23> fatejudger: because of java????
[07:05] <el-stupido> frank23: still not found
[07:05] <insanekane> stupac: then, it may be another problem
[07:05] <stupac> hmm, all it did was download the package then it spat back the same error
[07:05] <frank23> el-stupido: commit changes in adept to install stuff, right?
[07:06] <insanekane> stupac: you should try running it from console ... oowriter2 ... see if it spits any errors
[07:06] <el-stupido> frank23: i clicked on "Keep"
[07:06] <insanekane> stupac: its immaterial ... the help files don't help anyway, and they are not necessary for running OOo afaict
[07:06] <godzero> manveru: soulds like you may have a bad copy, md5 the .iso, and compare it to the one at the website
[07:06] <insanekane> stupac: it downloaded 23 MB in 2 minutes ?!?!
[07:07] <manveru> godzero; doing that already...
[07:07] <stupac> I got a 3MB/s
[07:07] <godzero> manveru: good man
[07:07] <el-stupido> frank23: got it
[07:07] <fatejudger> frank23: there is some memory leak
[07:07] <insanekane> stupac: amazing :)
[07:07] <fatejudger> frank23: I just tried it again
[07:07] <fatejudger> frank23: it didn't crash this time
[07:07] <fatejudger> frank23: but I could tell it was writing to the swap like crazy
[07:07] <el-stupido> frank23: installed
[07:07] <frank23> fatejudger: that's strange...
[07:08] <fatejudger> frank23: it sure it
[07:08] <stupac> ok, heres what I got when I ran it in console, http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/398369
[07:08] <fatejudger> frank23: but didn't you say I needed to change which java version I used?
[07:08] <godzero> manveru: about a month ago the daily build was bad. Maybe again?
[07:08] <frank23> fatejudger: basicallay you need    java -version  to say you're not using gnu's java
[07:08] <fatejudger> frank23: that command you gave me doesn't work
[07:09] <el-stupido> frank23: In order to take full advantage of the changes, X needs to be restarted
[07:09] <fatejudger> frank23: is there another way to do it?
[07:09] <insanekane> stupac: try deleting /tmp/.ICE-unix/8203
[07:09] <manveru> godzero; i don't think it's the daily build, it should be the official 5.10, right?
[07:09] <manveru> hell, that md5 takes quite some time
[07:09] <godzero> manveru: correct, just wondering if the same prob crept up again
[07:10] <manveru> godzero; ok, my checksum is bad
[07:10] <frank23> fatejudger: sorry its   sudo update-alternatives --config java 
[07:10] <el-stupido> frank23: /etc/init.d/kdm stop ???????
[07:10] <godzero> manveru: well, sounds like you know what to do, btw: did you d/l it by http/ftp or torrent?
[07:10] <stupac> got the same error message after removing it, I also got a popup error /home/stupac/ does not exist
[07:11] <frank23> el-stupido: yes to restart X   (then  /etc/init.d/kdm start
[07:11] <insanekane> stupac: did the X server upgrade occur properly ?
[07:11] <stupac> I don't know, probably not
[07:11] <manveru> godzero; took the http-way, because torrent was creeping on 20kb/s over 2 days
[07:11] <insanekane> stupac: also, try this in console ... kdesu oowriter2
[07:11] <el-stupido> grr then i'l have to exit Konversation
[07:11] <el-stupido> lol
[07:11] <el-stupido> brb
[07:11] <stupac> I can't remember where it quite or what the rror was
[07:12] <el-stupido> frank23: stay put lol jk
[07:12] <manveru> godzero; i will try to fix it using the torrent... wonder what happens
[07:12] <godzero> good idea
[07:12] <stupac> nope, same thing
[07:12] <insanekane> stupac: hmm, its not a good idea to continue running your system ... but then you need the OOo immediately i think
[07:13] <insanekane> stupac: since you have about 3MB/s ... why don't you use the live CD ?
[07:13] <godzero> my thought too
[07:13] <fatejudger> frank23: thanks, works great
[07:13] <stupac> theres an Idea
[07:13] <insanekane> stupac: that way you can take your time fixing the system, and you will have a working base to do your psychology report
[07:13] <godzero> fix it tomorrow
[07:13] <stupac> I got one sitting here
[07:13] <frank23> fatejudger: it works? what does  java -version say?
[07:13] <stupac> thats a good idea
[07:13] <fatejudger> I don't know
[07:13] <fatejudger> but I changed it to number 3
[07:13] <fatejudger> which is the one I installed
[07:13] <fatejudger> and now Azureus runs a lot faster
[07:14] <insanekane> stupac: :)
[07:14] <stupac> but you don't think my systems probably worth salvaging, just reinstall?
[07:14] <fatejudger> and connects to people
[07:14] <insanekane> stupac: im very sure it can be salvaged ... that is what i love abt apt
[07:14] <frank23> fatejudger: yeah... mine didn't connect to peers with gnu's java
[07:14] <insanekane> stupac: im just not sure its worthwhile doing it right *now* seeing as you need to work on other stuff
[07:14] <stupac> just might take a bit
[07:15] <stupac> yeah, I'll have to work on it later
[07:15] <godzero> stupac: prolly ok, unistall OOo, flush cache, /temp, try to reinstall
[07:15] <fatejudger> frank23: that's because it's old
[07:15] <fatejudger> frank23: GNU java sucks
[07:15] <fatejudger> frank23: there's no reason for it
[07:15] <insanekane> godzero: its probably not an ooo issue
[07:15] <godzero> stupac: after ther report
[07:15] <stupac> alright, I'll have to get on that later
[07:15] <frank23> fatejudger: what? gnu's java is NEW and in development
[07:15] <stupac> it's just gonna be bothering me until I can finish this darn report
[07:15] <insanekane> stupac: :)
[07:15] <fatejudger> frank23: there's no use for a GNU version of Java
[07:15] <stupac> alright, later guys, thanks for the help guys, insanekane, godzero, you guys are awesome
[07:15] <fatejudger> frank23: especially since Java sucks compared to memory conserving languages like C++
[07:16] <insanekane> stupac: ciao
[07:16] <godzero> insanekane: I know, but it may be a moemroy overflow, so take it 1 step at a time
[07:16] <unsurreal> anyone very familiar with konqueror?
[07:16] <el-stupido> frank23: ok done
[07:16] <el-stupido> frank23: whats the grep command again?
[07:16] <frank23> glxinfo | grep direct
[07:17] <godzero> unsurreal: whats the Q?
[07:17] <billytwowilly> hey, what's up with  amarok and tunepimp not working with mp3 in breezy?
[07:17] <billytwowilly> make: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk'.  Stop.
[07:17] <insanekane> !mp3
[07:17] <ubotu> I heard restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:17] <frank23> fatejudger: : a gnu version could be freely distributed: that's good
[07:17] <billytwowilly> I get that error when I try and build tunepimp
[07:17] <insanekane> !tell billytwowilly about mp3
[07:18] <el-stupido> direct rendering: Yes
[07:18] <el-stupido> woohoo!!!
[07:18] <frank23> el-stupido: 3d is good to go
[07:18] <fatejudger> frank23: why would that be any better than the package I got?
[07:19] <el-stupido> frank23: Couldn't run Unreal Tournament (ut-bin). Is UT_DATA_PATH set? <--- still wont work mate
[07:19] <billytwowilly> insanekane, I know about that, I'm trying to compile tunepimp to work properly and it is failing as shown above.
[07:19] <frank23> el-stupido: ;-)
[07:19] <godzero> unsurreal: What's your question? Almost everyone use konq here
[07:19] <unsurreal> godzero: take a look at this pic http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Graphics/KDE-Konqueror-file-manager_2-tabs_578x423.jpg
[07:20] <unsurreal> sure its not current but w/e
[07:20] <fatejudger> Konq sucks!
[07:20] <unsurreal> im missing the window drop down menu at the top, and side bar on the left
[07:20] <unsurreal> was wondering how to get those things
[07:21] <el-stupido> frank23: any suggestions?
[07:21] <frank23> el-stupido: I don't know anything about that loki installer
[07:21] <chavo> unsurreal, hit F9 for the sidebar, the Window menu I believe was removed
[07:21] <unsurreal> how come?
[07:21] <el-stupido> damnit
[07:21] <unsurreal> lol
[07:21] <unsurreal> nm
[07:21] <unsurreal> prolly dont knw that?
[07:21] <frank23> el-stupido: and those   mkdir   permission denied errors are very strange...
[07:22] <chavo> unsurreal, I think they are trying to simplify konq, I build my own KDE though
[07:22] <manveru> godzero; ok, officially proof that torrent is dumb... it starts at the point that has the problem, and that is 2.5gb left
[07:23] <godzero> unsurreal: they're trying to slim it down. I'm not happy with it either
[07:23] <frank23> el-stupido: try to run ut from your home directory
[07:23] <godzero> manveru: you're prolly missing a few bytes, so the rest are leftshifted
[07:24] <el-stupido> ok
[07:24] <unsurreal> chavo or godzero: next q, when entering music folder on mounted iwndows partiton, my entire system becomes choppy
[07:24] <manveru> godzero; wonder if jigdo or something is able to repair
[07:24] <el-stupido> frank23: nah man.. same problem
[07:24] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:24] <el-stupido> frank23: and i cant even find anything on the forums
[07:24] <chavo> unsurreal, haven't seen that problem
[07:24] <frank23> el-stupido: where did you get the loki installer?
[07:24] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: saw the light .. removed gnome .. but have gaim , xchat .. gparted installed :D
[07:25] <unsurreal> would it be the mere fact that there are 5000 files in that one folder
[07:25] <godzero> never used jig, but prolly would do the same
[07:25] <manveru> godzero; is there jigdo for the dvd-release?
[07:25] <user0> why are the x86 ISO downloads broken?
[07:25] <da_bon_bon> hey .. i upgraded to kde35b2 and now i dont see any mounts in "Storage media" folder .. HELP!
[07:25] <chavo> da_bon_bon, there's a qtparted you know
[07:25] <manveru> user0; don't know, mine as well
[07:25] <unsurreal> da_bon_bon: its a beta
[07:25] <unsurreal> i went back to 3.4.3
[07:25] <frank23> da_bon_bon: you can always use   kopete, konversation, qparted  ;-)
[07:26] <da_bon_bon> chavo: which tharashed my hard disk two times
[07:26] <el-stupido> frank23: downloaded it from here --->http://www.princessleia.com/UT.html
[07:26] <da_bon_bon> gparted is much safer
[07:26] <da_bon_bon> yes, frank23 :)
[07:26] <da_bon_bon> but no alternative to firefox
[07:26] <unsurreal> chavo: would the konq prob be because of a vast amount of songs?
[07:26] <propagandhi> ok, I have the weirdest problem now. My disk keeps filling up, I'm sure its a log file or something thats growing huge from kde 3.5 beta 2 errors or something, when I restart its normal, then it just grows as i use the OS.
[07:26] <da_bon_bon> unsurreal: so ?
[07:26] <chavo> da_bon_bon, it's just a front end to parted
[07:27] <godzero> propagandhi: that's all the warez I'm uploading to your hdd
[07:27] <propagandhi> godzero: oh in that case... its fine
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> chavo: but still, its bad :)
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> the main problem is the mounts! :(
[07:27] <el-stupido> frank23: whats a stock install?
[07:28] <el-stupido> frank23: check this http://www.sujee.net/geeky/ut.html you think this could be the problem?
[07:28] <guyabano> hi there...
[07:29] <godzero> propagandhi: how fast is the drive getting used up? I can't imagine a log getting that big that fast
[07:29] <guyabano> sos:  can someone please tell me how to connect on my network. i can ping other computers but i cant acces the files from other computers, im using samba
[07:29] <da_bon_bon> does anyone else face the same problem >?
[07:29] <propagandhi> well it takes a few hours
[07:30] <propagandhi> its on a 20GB partition with 14.4GB ACTUALLY used
[07:30] <propagandhi> but in a few hours from now it will be full
[07:30] <frank23> el-stupido: I don't think that's it... look in /usr/local/games/ut/ if the maps are there  (I think thats the right directory)
[07:31] <godzero> propagandhi: so, like a gig an hour? wow, time think about the nuklear option
[07:31] <guyabano> sos:  can someone please tell me how to connect on my network. i can ping other computers but i cant acces the files from other computers, im using samba
[07:31] <guyabano> thanks
[07:32] <el-stupido> frank23:  i see the maps
[07:32] <frank23> el-stupido: I really don't know how to help you...
[07:33] <el-stupido> frank23: you have done enough mate thank you for your time
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> does anyone on kde 3.5 beta 2 have the problem that no mounts appear in "storage media" ?
[07:35] <chavo> da_bon_bon, just checked and I have nothing in media:/ either, I never use it though
[07:35] <da_bon_bon> is it recomended to build kernels on ubuntu ? i want a 2.6.13 kernel with suspend2 enabled ..
[07:35] <user0> are the x86 iso images going to be back up any time soon?
[07:35] <da_bon_bon> sux0rs
[07:35] <el-stupido> frank23: you know anywhere else where i can ask for help?
[07:35] <da_bon_bon> chavo: system:/media ?
[07:36] <el-stupido> .j games
[07:36] <el-stupido> oops
[07:36] <chavo> da_bon_bon, same thing
[07:36] <da_bon_bon> oh ok, chavo 
[07:37] <frank23> el-stupido: look for the transgaming / cedega forums
[07:37] <frank23> el-stupido: maybe there is somthimg there
[07:39] <el-stupido> frank23: looking now
[07:40] <godzero> so.... where's that kde 3.5 beta 2.1?
[07:41] <da_bon_bon> godzero: read the topic. kde beta 2 , not 2.1
[07:42] <godzero> lol, I have beta 2, but it's verrrry broken
[07:43] <godzero> just my lame attenpt at humor
[07:43] <godzero> attempt
[07:43] <chavo> da_bon_bon, I'm getting an error starting kdemedia manger, you get anything like that when accessing media:/?
[07:44] <da_bon_bon> yes, chavo , i get that error after i restart hal once.
[07:44] <da_bon_bon> kde 3.5 is fucking broken.
[07:44] <da_bon_bon> i want to go back.
[07:44] <da_bon_bon> is there any way to downgrade ?
[07:44] <godzero> chavo: I fet no error there, just a cd-r and floppy icon(s)
[07:45] <da_bon_bon> yes.
[07:45] <da_bon_bon> godzero: same here. we must have mounts.
[07:45] <da_bon_bon> godzero: do this -- /etc/init.d/hal restart
[07:46] <godzero> da_bon_bon: sudo: /etc/init.d/hal: command not found
[07:46] <godzero> locate hal
[07:46] <diwaker> hey, does anyone know a good solution to the artsd crashing problem in the latest kde3.5beta2 packages?
[07:46] <godzero> sorry, cursor was still here
[07:46] <da_bon_bon> diwaker: in sound settings, disable kde sound system
[07:46] <da_bon_bon> oops
[07:47] <da_bon_bon> sorry
[07:47] <da_bon_bon> i meant dbus
[07:47] <da_bon_bon> godzero: do this -- /etc/init.d/dbus restart
[07:47] <diwaker> da_bon_bon: i did that. thats not a very solution though
[07:47] <da_bon_bon> diwaker: the best one at the momen
[07:47] <diwaker> do we know what exactly the problem is?
[07:47] <da_bon_bon> maybe Riddell does.
[07:48] <chavo> the problem is people expecting beta software to work flawlessly
[07:48] <da_bon_bon> fuck! breezy updates always fails gpg check
[07:48] <godzero> da_bon_bon: yep, that killed media:/
[07:48] <da_bon_bon> godzero: kdemediamanager ?
[07:48] <godzero> da_bon_bon: kde mediamanager not running
[07:48] <da_bon_bon> its not a kde problem though.
[07:49] <da_bon_bon> kde35b2 works falwlessly on my archlinux install.
[07:49] <chavo> hmm hal is not starting
[07:49] <da_bon_bon> chavo: hal is not installed at al
[07:50] <chavo> exit with return code 1
[07:50] <godzero> I feel sorry for my machine, I'm all too willing to install beta stuff, and run random sudo commands on it
[07:50] <da_bon_bon> ooh
[07:50] <da_bon_bon> its installed
[07:50] <da_bon_bon> chavo: used strace ?
[07:50] <da_bon_bon> then how come /etc/init.d/dbus restart shows [ok]  ?
[07:51] <chavo> da_bon_bon, I get the hal error restarting dbus here
[07:51] <godzero> no hall error here
[07:52] <da_bon_bon> no error here too
[07:52] <da_bon_bon>  * Stopping Hardware abstraction layer: 
[07:52] <da_bon_bon> /etc/dbus-1/event.d/20hal: line 49: kill: (15023) - No such process
[07:52] <da_bon_bon>    ...done.
[07:52] <da_bon_bon>  * Stopping system message bus...
[07:52] <da_bon_bon>    ...done.
[07:52] <da_bon_bon>  * Starting system message bus...
[07:52] <da_bon_bon>    ...done.
[07:52] <da_bon_bon>  * Starting Hardware abstraction layer: 
[07:52] <da_bon_bon>    ...done.
[07:52] <da_bon_bon> see ?
[07:53] <da_bon_bon> fuck ! i want to downgrade
[07:53] <da_bon_bon> how do i do that ?
[07:53] <da_bon_bon> i have the packages locally cached
[07:54] <godzero> I think you would have to either rip out kde and deps wholesale and reinstall 3.4.x,or manuall downgrade every package
[07:55] <da_bon_bon> :(
[07:55] <da_bon_bon> i will do "dpkg -i *" in the cache dir
[07:56] <aftertaf> hi again all
[07:57] <godzero> aftertaf: hi, ps: what is a taf?
[07:57] <diwaker> chavo: hey if i expected software to run perfectly, i won't be running beta :)
[07:57] <frank23> da_bon_bon: tell us if that works
[07:57] <diwaker> chavo: i'm just curious to know what the problem is
[07:57] <aftertaf> taf is french slang for work
[07:57] <da_bon_bon> frank23: err .. i was rather hoping someone else would tell me whether that worked :D
[07:57] <aftertaf> lol
[07:57] <aftertaf> da_bon_bon:  is it that broke?
[07:58] <da_bon_bon> yes.
[07:58] <da_bon_bon> bloody borken
[07:58] <manveru> ok, only curious, but someone knows a tool to repair the download of an iso?
[07:58] <godzero> da_bon_bon: looks like you nominated yourself. good luck :P
[07:58] <propagandhi> well, I'm downgrading my suse 10 to kde  3.5 beta 1 at the moment
[07:58] <da_bon_bon> godzero: :(
[07:58] <da_bon_bon> propagandhi: why ?
[07:59] <aftertaf> da_bon_bon:  gpg error dont matter though
[07:59] <propagandhi> because its rooted
[07:59] <aftertaf> da_bon_bon:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt- get -f install ?
[07:59] <da_bon_bon> aftertaf: why ? no packages are broekn.
[07:59] <godzero> propagandhi: howed it get rooted?
[08:00] <aftertaf> da_bon_bon:  why not go to console, and remove/reinstall hal?
[08:00] <aftertaf> da_bon_bon:  wazzup, hal fubarred?
[08:00] <propagandhi> godzero: i have no idea whats happened, but something in that update has caused the disk to fill up constantly without me even doing anything!
[08:00] <propagandhi> after this i'll back ubuntu up and reinstall back to beta 1 too
[08:00] <aftertaf> what does rooted mean?
[08:01] <godzero> propagandhi: do you know which directory/partion was filling?
[08:01] <da_bon_bon> aftertaf: kde is fscked
[08:01] <aftertaf> da_bon_bon:  e17 ;)
[08:01] <da_bon_bon> propagandhi: maybe its a virus ? :D
[08:01] <da_bon_bon> aftertaf: kewl ! where u got that from ? packages ?
[08:01] <aftertaf> cvs
[08:01] <godzero> rooted meens someone has root access you your box
[08:01] <aftertaf> but it works lovely
[08:01] <da_bon_bon> aftertaf: screenie ?
[08:01] <aftertaf> godzero:  ok. pwned for / ;)
[08:02] <aftertaf> da_bon_bon:  whats the button again for screen capture?
[08:02] <da_bon_bon> aftertaf: i dont know .. which button ?
[08:02] <propagandhi> its okay, suse is much easier to downgrade than ubuntu
[08:02] <da_bon_bon> in e17 ?
[08:02] <da_bon_bon> propagandhi: how come ?
[08:03] <aftertaf> da_bon_bon:  in linux :)
[08:03] <da_bon_bon> aftertaf: uh.. man import ? :D
[08:03] <propagandhi> it just is.. the tools are there
[08:03] <da_bon_bon> aftertaf: u used some script to upgrade / build e17 ?
[08:04] <godzero> aftertaf: I sometimes assign a shortcut for Prt Scrn launches KSnapshot
[08:04] <aftertaf> da_bon_bon:  nope, but its easy.    and there are scripts if you have direct net access. here i dont, so i get a tarball of the cvs.
[08:04] <da_bon_bon> i have.
[08:04] <da_bon_bon> any idea of script ?
[08:04] <da_bon_bon> *which 
[08:05] <hater2win> what do i need to get mpeg, mov, avi, files to play?
[08:05] <hater2win> is there a certain package
[08:05] <da_bon_bon> hater2win: apt-get install mplayer-nogui kaffeine-mplayer
[08:06] <hater2win> ty
[08:06] <godzero> hater2win: enable universe and multiverse, search for you codecs/etc
[08:06] <da_bon_bon> apt-get install w32codecs akode-mpeg xine-ui too, hater2win 
[08:06] <hater2win> thanks guys
[08:07] <aftertaf> da_bon_bon:  mail adr?
[08:07] <da_bon_bon> hater2win: apt-get install k3b-mp3 , if you want to burn mp3 as audio cds
[08:07] <da_bon_bon> aftertaf: email; ? rohandhruva@gmail.com
[08:10] <da_bon_bon> amarok is bloody heavy
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> aftertaf: ping
[08:11] <godzero> da_bon_bon: I love amaroK, the version with breezy is dated already, but it does it all
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> dated no problem
[08:11] <aftertaf> da_bon_bon:  i cant dcc, stupid proxy.
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> but it pushes my piii 550mhz to the limits
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> aftertaf: why not directly mail ? :D
[08:12] <godzero> by date I meen the current point release fixes a lot of bugs that I'm suffering
[08:12] <da_bon_bon> which one ?
[08:12] <da_bon_bon> aftertaf: modprobe ip-conntrack-irc work ?
[08:13] <godzero> da_bon_bon:  the one at kde.org?
[08:13] <da_bon_bon> godzero: i meant, which bugs does it fix ?
[08:14] <godzero> the thing that stuck in my memory is some fixes to the podcast receiver
[08:14] <aftertaf> da_bon_bon:  modprobe thing worked.
[08:15] <aftertaf> da_bon_bon:  do i need to restart irc?
[08:15] <da_bon_bon> :)
[08:15] <da_bon_bon> no.
[08:15] <godzero> there were more, but I read it a couple days ago
[08:15] <aftertaf> da_bon_bon:  you getting a send file?
[08:15] <da_bon_bon> yes
[08:15] <da_bon_bon> but send once more
[08:15] <da_bon_bon> please
[08:16] <da_bon_bon> uh - huh .. not working here :(
[08:16] <da_bon_bon> fails at connecting
[08:17] <aftertaf> doh. check your mail....
[08:17] <da_bon_bon> aftertaf: you did not attach any file :)
[08:18] <aftertaf> crud :)
[08:18] <da_bon_bon> whats "crud" ?
[08:19] <aftertaf> crap :)
[08:19] <da_bon_bon> nooo
[08:19] <da_bon_bon> you must say krap :D
[08:19] <da_bon_bon> aftertaf: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=59568&highlight=completely+remove+gnome
[08:19] <aftertaf> gmail aint very clever with file attachments. you have to type in the path n all ... Krap
[08:20] <da_bon_bon> :)
[08:20] <da_bon_bon> hell.. i am goin ahead and compiling my own kernel .. 2.6.13 :P
[08:21] <da_bon_bon> any final thoughts ?
[08:21] <aftertaf> dont do it. NOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[08:21] <aftertaf> hehe
[08:21] <aftertaf> why do that?
[08:21] <godzero> I tried that once... I stall have flash-backs....
[08:22] <da_bon_bon> for suspend2
[08:22] <da_bon_bon> for suspend2, aftertaf 
[08:23] <godzero> hibernate would be nice
[08:23] <blackflag> hello all :-)
[08:23] <blackflag> I have a package problem
[08:23] <Tm_T> no you don't
[08:24] <da_bon_bon> lol, Tm_T 
[08:24] <blackflag> I tried to convert an rpm package with alien
[08:24] <da_bon_bon> blackflag: why ? why ? why oh why ????
[08:24] <blackflag> and installed it then
[08:24] <aftertaf> blackflag:  argh!!
[08:24] <da_bon_bon> doesnt ubuntu have all that you need ?
[08:24] <Tm_T> :(
[08:24] <Tm_T> alien is what it is
[08:24] <blackflag> now I get the error dpkg error 1
[08:24] <Tm_T> just ... alien
[08:24] <da_bon_bon> blackflag: paste the error
[08:25] <morrow> Tm_T: and the only way to install a citrix client :)
[08:25] <aftertaf> blackflag:  what is the pkg?
[08:25] <blackflag> okay, but how can I correct it now
[08:25] <da_bon_bon> paste the error
[08:25] <blackflag> dpkg
[08:25] <Tm_T> blackflag: more than 2 lines -> pastebin
[08:25] <da_bon_bon> and which package
[08:25] <da_bon_bon> Tm_T: let him do it here :(
[08:25] <godzero> da_bon_bon: about amaroK.. does turning off the analizer help much with the cpu usage?
[08:25] <Tm_T> morrow: I don't think so, I bet you can grab sources
[08:25] <blackflag> I have to translate the error, momeent
[08:25] <morrow> binary only :(
[08:25] <Tm_T> godzero: it should
[08:26] <Tm_T> morrow: oh?
[08:26] <Tm_T> morrow: stay away from stuff like that!
[08:26] <blackflag> the package should be reinstalled but can not find an archive
[08:26] <da_bon_bon> godzero: how does one do that ?
[08:26] <blackflag> thats the error
[08:27] <godzero> da_bon_bon: left clicking the analizer cycles thru the themes(?), one will be "none"
[08:27] <Tm_T> blackflag: ok, what package it is?
[08:27] <blackflag> it is w32codec-all
[08:27] <Tm_T> ok
[08:27] <morrow> Tm_T: u can't demand the company to stop using windows terminal servers... (in fact this system is the only windows machine in the company) :)
[08:27] <aftertaf> da_bon_bon:  nice site find man :)
[08:27] <Tm_T> there is w32codecs package
[08:27] <morrow> ahh there is a tar.gz...
[08:28] <Tm_T> morrow: I can
[08:28] <javb> hello, i installed kubuntu from DVD, when i do apt-get install <something> it seems it doesnt check on the web..  the same with "adept" something i should do?
[08:28] <da_bon_bon> aftertaf: which one ?
[08:28] <blackflag> yes, there is, but there are not all files in it
[08:28] <Tm_T> morrow: I demand my school to provide linux-only environment...
[08:28] <aftertaf> javb:  yes, enable the http lines in sources list
[08:28] <Tm_T> morrow: no luck so far
[08:28] <morrow> yeah.. school :)
[08:28] <blackflag> so I tried to usetzhe -all package
[08:28] <aftertaf> da_bon_bon:  bleeding edge e17
[08:28] <propagandhi> i figured out what was smashing my disk
[08:28] <morrow> but there still is no good client for SAP or Checkpoint which does not run on windows...
[08:29] <javb> aftertaf --- > mmm how can i do that?
[08:29] <blackflag> I used it cause I was not able to watch mpeg's
[08:29] <aftertaf> javb:  sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list     then   remove the # before each deb http:// line
[08:29] <Tm_T> morrow: hmm, ok ok, I see the point
[08:29] <godzero> javb: you have to uncomment some of the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:29] <aftertaf> !tell javb about repositories
[08:29] <Tm_T> morrow: but, rule of thumb, alien prolly does poor job
[08:29] <aftertaf> and see ubouts link ;)
[08:29] <aftertaf> *ubotu's link even
[08:29] <aftertaf> !good bot
[08:29] <ubotu> thanks aftertaf :)
[08:30] <Tm_T> !sucky bot
[08:30] <ubotu> Wish i knew, Tm_T
[08:30] <da_bon_bon> aftertaf: oh ok.. will do that today nite :)
[08:30] <blackflag> can someone help with that issue?
[08:30] <aftertaf> :) da_bon_bon 
[08:30] <Tm_T> blackflag: install w32codecs package
[08:30] <propagandhi> godzero: can u tell me how much cpu the kicker is utilising on your system
[08:30] <aftertaf> blackflag:  use dpkg to remove/purge it.  
[08:31] <Tm_T> aftertaf: yu, carry on, coffee to me ->
[08:31] <godzero> propagandhi: right now, running konversatrion, a couple instances of konq, and amaroK, using about 5-10% on a 2.8G celeron
[08:32] <da_bon_bon> wooo hooo
[08:32] <strannik> Hello guys, i'm very very new to kubunto, i have just installed kde from ubuntu
[08:32] <blackflag> dpkg: action --control and --remove are in conflict
[08:32] <da_bon_bon> strannik: kubuntu :)
[08:32] <blackflag> so ,what?
[08:32] <propagandhi> godzero: kicker alone was using 89% cpu 
[08:32] <blackflag> has someoen an idea?
[08:33] <strannik> can somebody tell me where do i setup the drivers for the hardware, i was using suse earlier for about a month (thats all of the linux exp. i have using linux) and i did it through yast there
[08:33] <godzero> propagandhi: is your kicker computing the answer to life and all things? Because the answer is 42.
[08:33] <strannik> where do i do it now?
[08:34] <propagandhi> godzero: no, my computer is computing a computer to calculate life and all things
[08:34] <godzero> propagandhi: oh, carry on then...
[08:35] <strannik> i need to instal the driver for my lg monitor, because i can't change the resolution to anything exept 640x480 at 60 hz
[08:35] <propagandhi> godzero: minute i stopped kicker my disk stopped getting smashed
[08:36] <godzero> hmm, maybe kicker is trying to launch a applet, or locate a resource that's unavailable..??..
[08:37] <propagandhi> godzero: i have no idea, but the fact that its affecting storage space tells me it must be outputting something somewhere
[08:38] <godzero> is there a command to see what files a process has open?
[08:38] <propagandhi> not that i know of
[08:38] <propagandhi> i could use tail on the file if i knew what it was
[08:39] <godzero> whats tail? tale $filename outputs owner?
[08:39] <propagandhi> you can tail -f or something and it will watch a file being filled
[08:39] <propagandhi> so i can see whats happening
[08:40] <el-stupido> anyne plays UT on Linux?
[08:40] <el-stupido> i never thought it'd be this hard
[08:40] <propagandhi> godzero: say, like if you outputted apt-get dist-upgrade to a file,  and then tailed it you'd see apt-get dist-upgrade running
[08:40] <godzero> I read to man page
[08:41] <da_bon_bon> i am off
[08:41] <da_bon_bon> ccya guys
[08:41] <godzero> last N lines in file
[08:41] <da_bon_bon> tfn
[08:41] <da_bon_bon> :)
[08:43] <godzero> now if there was an easy way to see what program is keeping my cd mounted...
[08:44] <BlankC> lsof
[08:44] <godzero> lsof workes for that too? cool
[08:45] <BlankC> something like lsof /dev/hdc should tell you.
[08:45] <sampan> can't the find command be used to find large files?  with the -size flag?
[08:45] <godzero> I was about to say I thought that was only for /dev stuff.. then realized...
[08:45] <sampan> propagandhi  assuming that whatever is clogging up your partition is one gigantic file, you should be able to find it?
[08:47] <BlankC> Konqueror has a mode to see big files...its: View -> View Mode -> File Size View
[08:48] <sampan> does that just filter the current folder's view?  if so, he'd still have to surf through every folder till he sees the gigantic file ...?
[08:49] <BlankC> yes...but it can help narrow it down. To do it with find: find / -size 200M
[08:49] <aftertaf> rightclick properties lets you see which folder is huge.... then you track down bit by bit.
[08:50] <BlankC> plus: cd / ; du -sh *
[08:50] <BlankC> find and du may work better with a sudo.
[08:50] <sampan> yeah the / is important -- as would be "sudo" so you don't get Permission denied :D
[08:51] <sampan> just tried that and got a ton of output -- but propagandhi is talking about GIGABYTES of crud, so maybe a really high number would produce just one result
[08:52] <BlankC> sudo find / -size 2G
[08:53] <propagandhi> BlankC - i will check that, and thanx sampan also
[08:53] <sampan> sure ... glad blankc had the correct syntax 
[08:53] <sampan> <--- uber-newb
[08:54] <propagandhi> will that find files that are 2GB, or files 2GB and over
[08:54] <sampan> if you use a + it will do larger than i think
[08:54] <propagandhi> ok
[08:54] <sampan> but it might be irrelevant -- not sure 
[08:55] <godzero> I never know what I'll learn next comming to this #. Just lurking here is a good way to learn alot.
[08:56] <BlankC> oops how about: sudo find / -size +2G
[08:56] <propagandhi> AHA
[08:56] <propagandhi> found the b@#!d
[08:56] <sampan> yay!!
[08:56] <godzero> w00t
[08:56] <propagandhi> THANX lad
[08:56] <propagandhi> lads
[08:56] <godzero> what was it?
[08:57] <propagandhi> i should have thought it'd be /home/user/.xsession-errors
[08:57] <propagandhi> now if only i can find a way to limit that file to something more reasonable, say 100MB max
[08:59] <sampan> does that file get temporarily dumped/refreshed automatically?
[08:59] <propagandhi> for your reference guys - i think this is a prob similar to mine
[08:59] <propagandhi> http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2005/03/msg00412.html
[08:59] <godzero> hrmm, just read my xsession-errors..... seems I should do something fatal to kbluetoothd
[08:59] <propagandhi> the file is cleared either at boot or shutdown, not sure which yet, but steadily grows when working on 
[09:00] <propagandhi> still no idea how to limit in on a number of lines or similar
[09:01] <BlankC> Not sure how limit log sizes in general but perhaps logrotate may help.
[09:01] <godzero> chmod -r ?
[09:02] <sampan> yeah that bluetoothd is about 75% of the lines in my .xsession-errors
[09:02] <sampan> that's annoying for something i don't and won't ever use
[09:03] <propagandhi> BlankC - I've set all other logs to 50MB and to only keep the last 10 stored, but cant find how to do the same with .xsession-errors
[09:03] <raphink> I'm testing the windows transparency in KDE 3.5 and wow you better have at least a 3GHz proc for that!
[09:03] <godzero> link -s /.....xsession-errors /dev/null
[09:03] <raphink> it's just too slow for me
[09:03] <raphink> ;)
[09:03] <BlankC> cant you just turn off kbluetoothd?
[09:03] <sampan> i dunno
[09:04] <godzero> mine's bluetoothd too, but only 300KB or so
[09:05] <sampan> can kill the process -- but how do i keep it from coming up at login?
[09:08] <BlankC> You can disable it in K -> System Settings : System Services (the thing is called  bluez-utils) Dunno what shutting it off will do.
[09:10] <godzero> kded is dead so I can't kill it right now
[09:11] <sampan> thanks blankc -- i'm counting on it being limited to bluetooth (as it's name implies) :X
[09:11] <BlankC> I disabled mine..but had to kill the kbluetoothd by hand. Didnt try a reboot yet.
[09:12] <godzero> hey guys, about konqueror... the google search plugin. The auto guess function is crap, sorry Krap. If you qwery isn't in the list, it deletes it
[09:12] <sampan> yeah, i made the mistake of killing kbluetoothd by hand and then clicking on "bluetooth" in system settings, which restarted it :/
[09:12] <godzero> sampan: lol
[09:12] <sampan> definite "DOH!" moment
[09:17] <godzero> raphink: what video card are you using?
[09:17] <raphink> asus radeon 9200 128MB
[09:18] <raphink> you think it's linked to my video card?
[09:19] <godzero> I have a 9200 se, and I can't get compositing working at all, can I look at you xorg.conf?
[09:19] <deacon> Hey, I have a Breezy question.  Why didn't Breezy ask me for an Root password when I set it up?
[09:19] <raphink> did you enable Composite in your xorg.conf?
[09:19] <raphink> deacon: it has been this way with ubuntu from the beginning I think
[09:20] <raphink> except if you set it in expert mode
[09:20] <sampan> no root account by default
[09:20] <raphink> you have to use sudo
[09:20] <sampan> use sudo with your own password
[09:20] <deacon> No, Hoary asked me for a root password.
[09:20] <godzero> raphink: I had it running fine with my intel inegrated 845gv, but I have something fubarred in xorg.cong I think
[09:20] <deacon> Expert mode??
[09:21] <blackflag> hello all :-)
[09:21] <raphink> I'm sending you my xorg.conf deacon 
[09:21] <Clary> please...helpe me to install a program called XMGR
[09:21] <raphink> deacon: there's an expert mode at install
[09:21] <raphink> when Isolinux boots
[09:21] <blackflag> there is a problem with windows settings in systemsettings
[09:21] <raphink> you type `expert' in the prompt
[09:21] <deacon> and if I didn't use that, is there any way to SET a root password?
[09:21] <raphink> sure
[09:22] <raphink> sudo passwd root
[09:22] <blackflag> when I choose an item then it is to large to get the button administer
[09:22] <raphink> but it's not useful
[09:22] <raphink> deacon: when you want to be root, you can use `sudo su'
[09:22] <deacon> ok,  I now have a root password
[09:23] <deacon> sudo su isn't very useful in the gui utils
[09:23] <raphink> why would you need it for gui?
[09:23] <raphink> there's kdesu
[09:23] <deacon> you want to go into admin mode,  you need the root password
[09:23] <raphink> nope
[09:23] <raphink> you need YOUR password
[09:23] <deacon> that didn't work
[09:23] <raphink> ubuntu is set with sudo by default
[09:23] <deacon> I know, I trie 10 times
[09:23] <raphink> should have worked
[09:23] <godzero> raphink: thanks. Looks alot like mine, but I hava alot of cruft that's prolly interfering, so I'll trim mine down using yours as a guide
[09:23] <deacon> nope
[09:24] <deacon> but it should work now
[09:24] <raphink> I doubt it will work with a root passwd
[09:24] <raphink> in gui
[09:25] <raphink> deacon: you have sudo rights, so it's your own passwd you should enter in gui boxes
[09:25] <deacon> nope,  it doesn't
[09:25] <sampan> i've wondered if there's a way to remove a root pass if someone sets it
[09:25] <deacon> doesn't work with either password
[09:26] <deacon> Hmmm.... possible bug?
[09:26] <raphink> possible
[09:27] <raphink> it's not a pb with your num lock ?
[09:27] <deacon> I am using the 64 bit version
[09:27] <deacon> nope, num lock off
[09:27] <Clary>  c' qlke buon anima italiana????????????
[09:27] <asraniel> anyone here that is able to mount window shares with smb4k?
[09:28] <deacon> asraniel: I haven't tried it myself
[09:28] <raphink> Clary: /join #kubuntu-it
[09:28] <Tm_T> Clary: no colours please
[09:28] <Tm_T> :(
[09:28] <deacon> aww, that's a nice burnt umber though
[09:28] <raphink> Clary: no se parla l'italiano ci
[09:29] <Tm_T> uhhh, my eyes
[09:29] <deacon> well, it's almost 3:30 AM here, I'll figure out the gui utils issue tomorrow, or some other time.  I need sleep now.
[09:30] <godzero> raphink: brb, wish me luck
[09:39] <asraniel> deacon: well, it doesent work, i just wanted to know if someone is able to, if not i will fill a bugreport
[09:44] <godzero> raphink: No luck. Prolly kde 3.5 beta 2 mucking it up
[09:50] <raphink> what do you mean?
[09:51] <raphink> it worked for me 
[09:51] <godzero> raphink: are you running kde 3.5 b2?
[09:51] <raphink> yes
[09:51] <godzero> I'm gunna cry now
[09:51] <raphink> aw :(
[09:54] <propagandhi> godzero: problem solveed
[09:54] <propagandhi> solved
[09:54] <godzero> I have integrated video (crappy) on the agp bus, and the ati on the pci bus, the intel chip does OK 2d & compositing, but hardly any 3D, so I use the ATI, but no compositing. I have many video probs with kde 3.5 that I didn't with 3.4.x
[09:55] <raphink> yeah konqueror is not crashing anymore :)
[09:55] <godzero> propagandhi: death to kbluetothd?
[09:56] <propagandhi> godzero: no remember my issue was kicker
[09:56] <propagandhi> filling up my hard disk
[09:56] <raphink> godzero: 3d works fine for me, not very very fast, but fast enough
[09:56] <godzero> ya, wasn't that traced to kbluetoothd? or am I confused again?
[09:56] <raphink> for celestia or planetpenguin-racer it's enough
[09:57] <propagandhi> not sure about that much but I took other measures to ensure the xsession-errors file couldnt be allowed to get that large again
[09:57] <godzero> ppracer is fine, quake 3 fine, etc 3d is passable
[09:58] <godzero> no celestia - crashs on launch :(
[09:58] <raphink> :(
[09:58] <godzero> propagandhi: explain
[09:59] <godzero> raphink: I actualy really like celestia so I'm a little bummed
[09:59] <raphink> aw :(
[10:00] <propagandhi> godzero: i added the xsession-errors file to logrotation, set max limit of the file to 25MB before rotation and told it to only store the last 4 logs
[10:00] <propagandhi> so the max space that particular file will be able to cost me is 100MB
[10:01] <propagandhi> from my research Ive noted it has been a problem that has plagued numerous distros at numerous points in time
[10:01] <propagandhi> I mean, at one stage that file was 12GB - one log file, 12GB
[10:03] <godzero> How long do you think it took to do that? a couple days?
[10:04] <propagandhi> godzero: think more like 5 hours
[10:05] <godzero> my uptime _was_ like 12 hrs, and my log was only 2-300KB
[10:05] <propagandhi> yep, thats what was driving me nuts
[10:09] <nikkia> mornin apokryphos
[10:09] <apokryphos> hiya
[10:10] <propagandhi> uptime 112 days
[10:10] <propagandhi> thats decent
[10:12] <godzero> 3:11am, time for bed. Later people.
[10:12] <raphink> bye godzero 
[10:20] <DocTomoe> Are the bugs in Kubuntus Koalition Packages to be fixed? If not, I'd downgrade to Kanzler because of system stability.
[10:29] <propagandhi> DocTomoe: they'll be fixed, but not until the next beta or final, there are indeed many bugs
[10:29] <raphink> DocTomoe: that's pretty harsh, you're free to do what you want with your machine ;)
[10:31] <DocTomoe> propagandhi: I do not speak of KDE's bugs, but of the bugs that only appear in Kubuntus Packages ...
[10:31] <propagandhi> DocTomoe: exactly what do you mean by that
[10:32] <DocTomoe> stuff like the artsd error that only appear in Kubuntu - but not on my Gentoo system
[10:32] <DocTomoe> has that bug an official name? artsd crashes every 5 seconds or so and there is a "crashed application" dialouge every time
[10:35] <spiral> hi
[10:35] <raphink> hi spiral 
[10:36] <Hobbsee> DocTomoe: dont know, but it's in the wiki of kubuntu known problems
[10:36] <Hobbsee> and the crashed dialogue box is extremely annoying!
[10:37] <raphink> indeed
[10:37] <raphink> now it crashes only once on mine
[10:37] <Hobbsee> :)
[10:37] <raphink> once per session
[10:37] <raphink> ;)
[10:37] <Hobbsee> lol
[10:37] <Hobbsee> i just went back to beta 1
[10:37] <raphink> I'm keeping beta2
[10:37] <raphink> there are nice things
[10:37] <propagandhi> Hobsee: i did the same
[10:37] <raphink> and reporting bugs is useful
[10:37] <Hobbsee> what new stuff is there?
[10:37] <Hobbsee> true
[10:37] <propagandhi> and i did the same on suse 10
[10:37] <Hobbsee> i didnt really notice that much new stuff
[10:38] <raphink> just a few
[10:38] <raphink> I noticed a new version of kopete
[10:38] <raphink> very nice
[10:38] <propagandhi> yes, the new kopete was cool
[10:38] <Hobbsee> yeah
[10:38] <raphink> the desktop manager in kicker supports transparency better
[10:38] <raphink> just a few things
[10:38] <Hobbsee> i cant stand the blue faces though!!!!   the rest of it is in pretty colours, but the faces there are bright blue!
[10:38] <Hobbsee> ewww i say!
[10:39] <propagandhi> you could skin that though couldnt u
[10:39] <raphink> sure
[10:39] <Hobbsee> presumably
[10:39] <raphink> you can use another icon theme or emoticons theme
[10:39] <raphink> I don't have blue faces
[10:39] <Hobbsee> yeah, i was using the msn 7 one
[10:40] <Hobbsee> efficient theme
[10:40] <raphink> mhm
[10:40] <raphink> I tried the animated one
[10:41] <raphink> it's nice but the shortcuts are weird
[10:41] <raphink> so if you use the icons the guy on the other side will not get any smiley
[10:41] <raphink> and vice versa
[10:41] <Hobbsee> i didnt know you could skin the main window, i'll have to check that out
[10:41] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's a pain
[10:41] <Hobbsee> and why i was using the msn 7 emoticons
[10:43] <raphink> hmm
[10:43] <raphink> this didn't change
[10:43] <qos> hi
[10:43] <raphink> the msn7 theme still makes kopete crash
[10:43] <Hobbsee> oh...is that why it crashes every once in a while!
[10:43] <raphink> no idea
[10:44] <raphink> it crashes when I try to add the icon theme
[10:44] <Hobbsee> ah
[10:44] <raphink> I'll do it manually see if it works
[10:44] <Hobbsee> i just get a box that says that it had trouble, but that you can try it anyway
[10:44] <Hobbsee> and it lets you use all the emoticons fine
[10:45] <Hobbsee> hi qos 
[10:45] <qos> i am trying to changed the owner of a directory on a mounted fat32 directory, but it fail because of 'no permission'. but i did it as root and with sudo. so whats going on`?
[10:45] <raphink> it works if I install it manually
[10:46] <Hobbsee> qos: who does it say it's owned by now?  no one?
[10:46] <qos> Hobbsee, the directory is owned by root. i want to change it to my username.
[10:47] <raphink> fat32 uses unix owner permissions?
[10:47] <Hobbsee> isnt that something to do with chown in the command line?
[10:47] <raphink> yes you could use
[10:47] <raphink> chown user:group
[10:47] <raphink> if it's a directory
[10:47] <raphink> chown -R user:group dir
[10:47] <propagandhi> has anyone used the webcam with kopete yet
[10:47] <raphink> there's webcam support now ? :)
[10:48] <propagandhi> well, there is on mine
[10:48] <qos> yeah, i typed : "chown -R qos:qos  /path/..."
[10:48] <raphink> what version do you have propagandhi ?
[10:48] <andreas_> http://pastebin.com/398467
[10:48] <andreas_> what to do?
[10:48] <chema> hola
[10:48] <chema> algun espaol???
[10:49] <qos> did i mentioned that i want to change the ownergroup? the directory itself IS owned by me.
[10:49] <propagandhi> chema: ENGLISH
[10:49] <raphink> just what it says andreas_ : run apt-get update and hope it works ;)
[10:49] <chema> propagandhi: ok thanks
[10:49] <raphink> chema: /join #kubuntu-es
[10:50] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[10:50] <raphink> hi da_bon_bon 
[10:50] <da_bon_bon> finally got suspend2 to work in ubuntu
[10:50] <da_bon_bon> with usplash
[10:50] <da_bon_bon> hi, raphink :)
[10:50] <raphink> nice
[10:51] <da_bon_bon> 2.6.13 kernel
[10:51] <da_bon_bon> debianised :)
[10:51] <raphink> :)
[10:51] <Hobbsee> da_bon_bon: nice!
[10:51] <Hobbsee> how stable is 2.6.13?
[10:51] <da_bon_bon> fully stable
[10:51] <da_bon_bon> i used my own .config , though'
[10:51] <andreas_> raphink: it might not have been obvious, but that error happens -after- an update
[10:51] <da_bon_bon> and vanilla kernel source
[10:51] <da_bon_bon> jsut suspend2 patch
[10:52] <raphink> yes I know andreas_ 
[10:52] <qos> so, another question. it think my problem has to do with the way i mounted the partition. what's the best way to mount an fat32 partition?
[10:52] <raphink> there was a problem fetching some sources
[10:52] <raphink> so you have to wait and try running apt-get update again
[10:53] <raphink> it doesn't seem to be a problem with your machine andreas_ 
[10:53] <raphink> so yes it happened after an update, and an update should set it right 
[10:53] <andreas_> raphink: this problem has been persistent for several days and no apt-get updates have worked yet
[10:53] <Hobbsee> !tell qos about faq
[10:54] <da_bon_bon> !faq
[10:54] <ubotu> hmm... faq is The Ubuntu FAQ Guide: select System -> Help (in Breezy), or http://doc.ubuntu.com/gnome/faqi386/C/
[10:54] <el-stupido> anyone here plays UT?
[10:55] <raphink> not me
[10:55] <da_bon_bon> where is the option to disable "large desktop icons" ?
[10:55] <Tm_T> not really
[10:55] <raphink> andreas_: can you still install packages?
[10:55] <raphink> or upgrade?
[10:55] <Tm_T> da_bon_bon: ?
[10:55] <chema> sorry for my english but i need install cedega but i dont khnow
[10:55] <Tm_T> da_bon_bon: you mean to get rid of them totally?
[10:55] <da_bon_bon> Tm_T: yes .. it appears in kpersonalizer .. so it must appear somewhere in kcontrol too ..
[10:56] <helpme> !faq
[10:56] <ubotu> somebody said faq was The Ubuntu FAQ Guide: select System -> Help (in Breezy), or http://doc.ubuntu.com/gnome/faqi386/C/
[10:56] <da_bon_bon> Tm_T: no.
[10:56] <da_bon_bon> Tm_T: i want icons on desktop to be small
[10:56] <da_bon_bon> not large
[10:56] <raphink> what's cedega chema ?
[10:56] <chema> raphink: tu hablas espaol
[10:56] <Hobbsee> !cedega
[10:56] <ubotu> help for cedega is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega and for a list of working games see http://cedegawiki.sweetleafstudios.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
[10:56] <raphink> da_bon_bon: you can set that in kcontrol -> icons
[10:56] <raphink> chema: si
[10:57] <chema> raphink: cedega es un programa tipo wine pero para juegos
[10:57] <chema> y no se instalarlo
[10:57] <raphink> ah ok
[10:57] <chema> aparte de que soy nobato
[10:57] <da_bon_bon> thanks
[10:57] <chema> por decirte que no se instalar el no-ip
[10:57] <chema> me da error
[10:57] <da_bon_bon> no, raphink 
[10:57] <da_bon_bon> raphink: not that ..
[10:58] <raphink> then what da_bon_bon ?
[10:58] <da_bon_bon> raphink: run kpersonalizer , you will know .. in performance there is a slider of speed vs. appearance, there in avanced options, there is "large desktop icons"
[10:59] <raphink> kcontrol -> look & feel -> icons -> advanced
[10:59] <raphink> oh ok
[10:59] <da_bon_bon> wow! konqi is MUCH faster than firefox
[10:59] <da_bon_bon> :)
[10:59] <da_bon_bon> but it sucks at gmail :(
[11:00] <raphink> no it doesn't
[11:00] <raphink> you can use spoofing
[11:00] <chema> raphink: sabes de algun manual o algo que te explique?? uso el ubuntu y le aadi kde, que coo uso el kubuntu
[11:00] <raphink> and choose to identify the browser as Firefox 1.0
[11:00] <raphink> then gmail works
[11:01] <raphink> chema: yo no uso juegos, entonces no se
[11:01] <da_bon_bon> raphink: ok .. 
[11:01] <raphink> you know how to use spoofing da_bon_bon ?
[11:01] <el-stupido> how do I install my mic?
[11:01] <chema> raphink: bueno tambien kiero montar un servidor en casa web, lo tengo en windows pero no se migrarlo a linux, es phpnuke, sabes algo de una guia pa eso???
[11:02] <Hobbsee> i love how samba, and then the printers from there "just work" - scans first go and finds the printer
[11:02] <da_bon_bon> yes.
[11:02] <da_bon_bon> trying it out.
[11:02] <raphink> chema: tienes que instalar un servidor web, como apache2
[11:02] <da_bon_bon> does kubuntu specially modify konqi such that java script works ?
[11:03] <raphink> I don't think so
[11:03] <chema> raphink: si pero la bbdd donde va alojada?? la direccion, es que no se donde meterla
[11:03] <raphink> its a normal konqui I think
[11:03] <raphink> meterla que?
[11:03] <raphink> que es bbdd?
[11:03] <chema> la base de datos del phpnuke que tengo ya creada
[11:03] <chema> bbdd es base de datos
[11:03] <da_bon_bon> err .. why not #ubuntu-XX ?
[11:03] <raphink> yes I said so already da_bon_bon 
[11:04] <raphink> chema: /join #ubuntu-es
[11:04] <raphink> seria mejor para ti
[11:04] <qos> has anybody tried to shared an firefox profile on an fat32 partition to use it in linux an windows?
[11:04] <raphink> te pueden ayudar en espanol
[11:04] <chema> supongo, pero espero que haya gente 
[11:04] <raphink> qos: ouch
[11:04] <chema> raphink: gracias por ayudarme mil gracias
[11:04] <raphink> seguro si chema 
[11:05] <qos> raphink: why ouch?
[11:05] <raphink> qos: sharing settings between several linux distros is already not very wise
[11:05] <_mindspin> ach wenn ich doch spanisch knnte
[11:05] <Hobbsee> now i see the advantages in learning a foreign language...
[11:05] <raphink> sharing with mac os is worse
[11:05] <raphink> sharing with windows is a very bad idea
[11:05] <raphink> ja _mindspin ;)
[11:05] <_mindspin> Hobbsee: ;-)
[11:05] <Hobbsee> _mindspin: that sounds a lot like german...or am i being tricked!
[11:05] <_mindspin> yep thats german
[11:06] <Hobbsee> ah...
[11:06] <raphink> _mindspin: es ist gut um mit spanischen mdchen zu sprechen
[11:06] <raphink> ;)
[11:06] <qos> raphink, did you try it?
[11:06] <Hobbsee> good to see ich habe vergessen alle meine Deutsch
[11:06] <raphink> qos: never had windows
[11:06] <raphink> but I wouldn't try it if I were you
[11:06] <_mindspin> spanish girls are very rare here ;-)
[11:06] <asraniel> i should also use my espagnol...
[11:06] <raphink> considering the issues I had sharing my settings with mac os x already
[11:06] <Hobbsee> speaking to spanish girls are you?
[11:07] <qos> raphink: ;) but i am searching an nice methode to share my browsersettings and emails on both systems
[11:07] <raphink> asraniel: tiens un francophone ;)
[11:07] <Hobbsee> cant type fast enough, clearly
[11:07] <asraniel> raphink: pas vraiment, je suis suisse-allemand, mais je m'en sort pas mal en francais, ou moins j'essaye
[11:07] <raphink> well you can still try qos
[11:08] <raphink> qos maybe save your settings first
[11:08] <raphink> and then try to share them
[11:08] <raphink> asraniel: c'est parceque tu as dit `espagnol' ;)
[11:08] <raphink> qui est un mot franais
[11:08] <asraniel> raphink: oui je viens de voir :-D c'est parceque je vis dans la partie francais de la suisse...
[11:08] <_mindspin> l'expression exaczte serais castilliano n'est pas ?
[11:09] <raphink> espanol serait dj bien
[11:09] <raphink> sinon castillano
[11:09] <raphink> ;)
[11:09] <helpme> ubuntu has docs when it gets installed...are there preinstalled docs in kubuntu too?
[11:09] <qos> raphink: sure, i already did. firefox starts and asks to select which profile, but the desired one is always in use.
[11:09] <Hobbsee> helpme: kmenu, help
[11:09] <asraniel> _mindspin: oui je crois, parceque si tu dis "espagnol" les cubains ou des autres americains latins sont vexer., je crois
[11:10] <el-stupido> how do I test if my mic is working?
[11:10] <raphink> you can try with krecord for ex el-stupido 
[11:10] <_mindspin> but my french is just enough for shopping .....
[11:10] <raphink> hehe
[11:11] <raphink> where are you from _mindspin ?
[11:11] <_mindspin> germany/frankfurt area
[11:11] <raphink> ok
[11:11] <asraniel> -mindspin: its not that bad...
[11:11] <raphink> my german is not good either _mindspin 
[11:11] <_mindspin> but I never feel confortable when speaking french
[11:12] <_mindspin> i love the english language
[11:12] <raphink> hey I just saw that I lost my keyboad selector in kicker ! :(
[11:12] <qos> _mindspin: och deutsch ist doch auch nicht schlecht ;)
[11:13] <asraniel> _mindspin: well, english is just simple.. french is a nice language, as is german. and spanish is nice too, but im realy bad at it :-D
[11:13] <raphink> lately I'm trying to learn dutch
[11:13] <raphink> this is terrible
[11:13] <_mindspin> dutch is also easy and nice language
[11:13] <raphink> I can understand when it's written
[11:13] <raphink> but when it's spoken it just doesn't sound like anything :s
[11:13] <_mindspin> ik hou van nederland ;-)
[11:13] <raphink> ja?
[11:14] <_mindspin> ja
[11:14] <raphink> :)
[11:14] <_mindspin> en ik geloof ik ben de eenige duitser ....
[11:14] <raphink> ik kan niets nerderlands goed spreken
[11:14] <raphink> not sure this is correct
[11:14] <_mindspin> leave out the s in niets and it is ok
[11:15] <raphink> :)
[11:15] <raphink> that's because it seems to me it's pronounced with an s when I hear it ;)
[11:15] <raphink> ik denk niet dat je de eenige duitser ben 
[11:15] <_mindspin> pronounciation is difficult because there are some regional forms of dutch speaking
[11:15] <raphink> I'm used to Amsterdamer 
[11:16] <raphink> well I have been mostly between den Haag and Amsterdam
[11:16] <_mindspin> but we are a minority here in moffenland
[11:16] <raphink> my best friend is from Aalsmeer 
[11:16] <raphink> that's why I'm learning ;)
[11:16] <raphink> well trying to at least
[11:18] <_mindspin> what do you  think, when is kubuntu breezy ready for productional use? any guesses?
[11:21] <helpme> how fast do kde apps load in gnome? same as in kde or faster?
[11:21] <raphink>  you miss an option 
[11:21] <el-stupido> raphink: i tar'd the krecord file.. nw how do i install it?
[11:22] <raphink> ouch
[11:22] <raphink> el-stupido: that's not the best wayto install programs on linux
[11:22] <raphink> yo uhave get used to easy ways to install programs ;)
[11:22] <el-stupido> raphink: lol .. can ya show me one?
[11:22] <raphink> you can install from adept or synaptic or kynaptic  or whatever
[11:22] <raphink> or from the console if you prefer
[11:22] <raphink> just open adept
[11:22] <raphink> search for krecord
[11:23] <raphink> and click install
[11:23] <el-stupido> oh that.. i tried... didnt find krecord
[11:23] <el-stupido> had to d/l it
[11:23] <helpme> how does adept fare with synaptic? what do u guys think?
[11:24] <raphink> didn't find krecord?
[11:24] <el-stupido> nope
[11:24] <comm[A|n] der> hi all
[11:24] <raphink> well then in a console
[11:24] <raphink> try
[11:24] <raphink> hmm
[11:24] <helpme> :(
[11:24] <raphink> that's weird
[11:25] <raphink> did you enable universe el-stupido ?
[11:25] <el-stupido> lemme see
[11:25] <el-stupido> dont see it
[11:26] <el-stupido> where do i do it from?
[11:26] <aftertaf> weird. a kubuntu hoary install cd worked on 3 PCs, now it cant copy kdelibs-data. system borking on install :/
[11:27] <raphink> wait a min el-stupido 
[11:27] <aftertaf> tring the 5.10 iso freshly burned
[11:27] <aftertaf> !repositories
[11:27] <ubotu> sources is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[11:28] <raphink> el-stupido: in adept, go to Adept -> Manage repositories
[11:29] <el-stupido> raphink: ok
[11:29] <el-stupido> raphink: then?
[11:29] <raphink> then you look at what ubotu told you
[11:33] <el-stupido> ubotu hasnt told me anything yet lol
[11:33] <ubotu> el-stupido: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[11:33] <el-stupido> lol
[11:33] <raphink> el-stupido: look
[11:33] <raphink> !repositories
[11:33] <ubotu> from memory, sources is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[11:33] <raphink> that was aimed to you
[11:33] <el-stupido> lol ok
[11:33] <el-stupido> sorry
[11:38] <auke> Hi, does anyone know what I basically need in order to be able to build software? I Already installed make, gcc and g++, but obviously that not all yet.
[11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> auke: build-essentails package 
[11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> *sp
[11:39] <raphink> auke when you need to buidl a package from source
[11:39] <raphink> for example package foo
[11:39] <raphink> you can run
[11:39] <raphink> sudo apt-get build-dep food
[11:39] <raphink> then
[11:39] <asraniel> there are kde updates in kubuntu, where can i find a list of changes?
[11:39] <raphink> sudo apt-get --build source foo
[11:40] <raphink> that will build the package 
[11:40] <raphink> so to answer your question
[11:40] <raphink> sudo apt-get build-dep foo
[11:40] <raphink> should make you sure you have the right dev libs before building
[11:40] <auke> And what do i need if i want to do the ./ configure ands make stuff?
[11:41] <_mindspin> build essentials afaik
[11:41] <raphink> well just make, gcc and g++ most of the time
[11:42] <raphink> I'm off
[11:42] <raphink> later
[11:42] <_mindspin> but I would stick to ubuntian packages if possible
[11:42] <_mindspin> what do you want to install auke?
[11:43] <auke> Mindspin, i want to try to build lame. I haven't found a .deb for it
[11:43] <raphink> there is an ubuntu package for lame auke
[11:44] <raphink> do you have universe activated?
[11:44] <_mindspin> lame is in the repos yep
[11:45] <raphink> bye
[11:45] <_mindspin> au revoir
[11:45] <auke> Well, I guess I have to change something in my sources.list.
[11:46] <_mindspin> add universe and multiverse and you'll have nearly everything you want
[11:46] <aftertaf> i got a pb with kdelibs4 package on hoary cd install. CD not working, and i got breezy CD and added with apt-cdrom add.
[11:47] <_mindspin> maybe you should wait afew days if you use breezy
[11:47] <aftertaf> but i can't install anything cos it says kdelibs4 needs reinstalling and it cant find a candidate.
[11:47] <auke> Can you tell me to which line I have to add it?
[11:48] <aftertaf> anyone know a funky dpkg command i can use to tell it to stop messing me about?
[11:48] <_mindspin> auke: whereever you want ;-) i would suggest at end of file
[11:48] <_mindspin> aftertaf: sorry, no idea
[11:49] <aftertaf> auke:  add it to all of them.... heres my 3 line sources.list...
[11:49] <aftertaf> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy main restricted universe multiverse 
[11:49] <aftertaf> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[11:49] <aftertaf> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy-security main restricted universe multiverse
[11:49] <aftertaf> short n sweet
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[11:49] <_mindspin> smart
[11:49] <auke> Aftertaf, thank!
[11:50] <auke> Mindspin, Also thanks!
[11:50] <aftertaf> _mindspin:  hehe yeah :)
[11:50] <aftertaf> got it sorted, i think.
[11:51] <aftertaf> gave apt both cds and then did apt-get -m install
[11:51] <aftertaf> now crossing fingers
[11:51] <_mindspin> good luck
[11:52] <aftertaf> seems to work...
[11:52] <aftertaf> 600+ packages from the cd (no net access)
[11:54] <aftertaf> hmmm... buffer I/O error on device hdb (cdrom drive) logical block xxxxxx...
[11:54] <_mindspin> sounds like a corrupted cd
[11:54] <aftertaf> ive changed CDs, ive changed cdrom drives, i've changed IDE primary/secondary.
[11:54] <_mindspin> burn it again sam with lower speed
[11:55] <aftertaf> burned at 4x :/
[11:55] <_mindspin> thet helped me several times
[11:55] <_mindspin> ouch
[11:55] <_mindspin> changing RAM ??
[11:55] <aftertaf> done it once for linux-kernel-headers 2.6.11xxx.deb
[11:55] <aftertaf> RAM? realy?
[11:56] <_mindspin> sometimes RAM is the culprit
[11:56] <aftertaf> you think that could help?   seems to do it on same files each time.
[11:56] <aftertaf> 3 files borked on hoary CD
[11:56] <aftertaf> but cd worked on 3 installs and hasn't been used as a coffee mat or anything.
[11:56] <_mindspin> get you anew iso file and burn it again
[11:57] <_mindspin> or the machine is corrupted
[11:57] <aftertaf> i suspect motherboard
[11:57] <_mindspin> I have a pc here which never installed any linux
[11:57] <_mindspin> could be
[11:58] <_mindspin> which type of mboard?
[11:58] <sikor_sxe> i updated to breezy yesterday and after a bit of a hazzle i'm quite content, however i wonder where i can set firefox as my default browser now
[11:59] <_mindspin> in kontrol center?
[11:59] <_mindspin> file preferences?
[12:00] <aftertaf> aplication
[12:00] <aftertaf> component chooser methinks
[12:00] <aftertaf> Arrrrrrr ;)
[12:00] <sikor_sxe> uhm
[12:00] <sikor_sxe> i don't find that tab
[12:01] <sikor_sxe> there's no control center any more
[12:01] <sikor_sxe> it's system settings now
[12:01] <sikor_sxe> a found it
[12:01] <sikor_sxe> in user account
[12:04] <jeh_work> hm, qt4 can't be compiled on my breezy
[12:04] <gurtyea> #abandonware
[12:04] <jeh_work> cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-fvisibility=hidden"
[12:05] <Java_the_Hutt> Question: I am getting Unknown host messages while surfing with Konqueror may be 20% of time. But with Firefox i have no problem. Any ideas ?
[12:05] <jeh_work> this with: g++ (GCC) 3.4.5 20050809 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 3.4.4-6ubuntu8)
[12:06] <jeh_work> ok, there are packages of qt4 for breezy... fine, no need to compile then :)
[12:07] <jeh_work> hoary didn't jhave them, that's why i had a locally compiled version that i now tried to recompile...
[12:07] <propagandhi> !mark
[12:07] <ubotu> A -- MARK -- message is printed in the log every 15 minutes, so you know the logger is running. This is perfectly normal. Your kernel has not been hacked by a danish guy called 'Mark'.
[12:09] <jeh_work> heh, evil: Need to get 66.6MB/66.6MB of archives. After unpacking 234MB will be used
[12:09] <jeh_work> for qt4...
[12:12] <wks04> hai ada orang nggak 
[12:15] <jeh_work> ok, when one is seriously hurt in the balls those words may be uttered
[12:16] <jeh_work> but then they are usually capitalized and with a extra exclamation mark
[12:17] <jeh_work> ah, the qt4 package is seriously broken. it can't be used together with an installed qt3
[12:18] <nikkia> jeh_work: for an end-user i certainly wouldn't suggest even contemplating installing Qt4 at this point
[12:18] <jeh_work> nikki_a: why not?
[12:19] <jeh_work> i want to continue developing my qt4 app, and as breezy can't compile qt4 from source i'm left with using the packages
[12:19] <nikkia> jeh_work: because KDE 3.x is written against Qt3, and there can be unintended interactions between KDE and an additional Qt install
[12:19] <propagandhi> #ubuntu-wont-have-us
[12:20] <jeh_work> nikkia: sure, i know that. i thought the package would be created to not break stuff. but i see it's not really even tested
[12:21] <jeh_work> all qt4's libs are libQt*, and not libqt* as for qt3, the binaries have an extra prefix -qt4, the includes are in /usr/include/qt4 so it looks ok
[12:22] <jeh_work> "extra postfix"
[12:22] <Java_the_Hutt> Question: I am getting Unknown host messages while surfing with Konqueror may be 20% of time. But with Firefox, i have no problem. Any ideas ?
[12:23] <jeh_work> Java_the_Hutt: i have seen that from time to time too, but have no real idea what's wrong
[12:23] <Java_the_Hutt> jeh_work: did it pass away ?
[12:24] <jeh_work> Java_the_Hutt: just trying again solves it for me
[12:24] <jeh_work> Java_the_Hutt: and it isn't 20% for me, maybe 1% 
[12:25] <_mindspin> looks like a name resolution issu
[12:26] <_mindspin> e
[12:28] <Java_the_Hutt> _mindspin: But firefox works perfectly well how do you explain that ?
[12:28] <_mindspin> I f I could, I would
[12:29] <_mindspin> have a look if there's a differenc between your kcontrol network settings and the etries in your etc files concerning networking
[12:29] <jeh_work> hm, is the g++ in breezy very broken?
[12:30] <jeh_work> i get loads of these when even trying to compile anything qith qt4:
[12:30] <jeh_work>  /usr/include/qt4/QtGui/qstyleoption.h:579: warning: `visibility' attribute does not apply to types
[12:30] <jeh_work> neither could qt4 itself be compiled due to -fvisibility not being recognized
[12:31] <propagandhi> anyone from australia
[12:31] <nikkia> jeh_work: is that a gcc 4.0 specific flag ?
[12:31] <jeh_work> nikkia: i would think so
[12:32] <jeh_work> nikkia: i have no idea why it's being used
[12:32] <jeh_work> maybe the qt4 packages are compiled with a newer compiler
[12:32] <nikkia> perhaps
[12:33] <nikkia> or an older one :)
[12:33] <nikkia> hmm, it looks like the visibility stuff is in gcc 3.4 at least
[12:33] <nikkia> there's a test suite for it, anyway
[12:33] <jeh_work> ah. this is in the depencencies: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.1)
[12:34] <nikkia> actually, looks like it might be the other way around, it was in gcc prior to 4.0 but might be broken/deprecated in 4
[12:34] <nikkia> the -fvisibility seems to be documented as far back as g++ 2.4 anyway
[12:34] <jeh_work> ok
[12:35] <jeh_work> 2.4? that's almost around my birth...
[12:35] <nikkia> (and it looks like a gcc extension that shouldn't be relied upon in code such as Qt, IMO)
[12:35] <nikkia> apparently, it provides finer grain access rights to class members
[12:35] <jeh_work> qt4 when compiled tries to use it. either by itself or then through some setting somewhere
[12:36] <jeh_work> yes it does
[12:37] <jeh_work> well, i won't go installing gcc-4 and see my whole system go down in flames
[12:37] <Java_the_Hutt> search lan
[12:37] <Java_the_Hutt> nameserver 10.0.0.138
[12:37] <jeh_work> but i can't compile qt4 myself nor can i use the packages. i guess i'm stuck using some other distro while waiting for the new kubuntu version
[12:38] <Java_the_Hutt> jeh_work: A possible reason may be, KDE's connection timeout is smaller than GTK's or what ever. Today my isp is very slow also. thus Firefox connects, konqueror drops the connection what do you think ?
[12:38] <mariux> hi, does anyone have a problem with the pc (laptop) going into suspend when logging into kde? It seems its the klaptopdaemons fault.... So my login takes about 15sec extra since it has to suspend and then resume to complete the login
[12:38] <jeh_work> Java_the_Hutt: seems possible, maybe even likely
[12:39] <nikkia> Java_the_Hutt: very plausible, i've noticed short timeouts on konqueror in the past
[12:40] <bleertep> cross your fingers for me please, i am dist-upgrding ^^
[12:40] <nikkia> actually, i'd say its likely in khtml, because when i used a mac i noticed similar 'firefox works, safari doesn't behaviour
[12:41] <aftertaf> anyone get arts control applet to work?
[12:43] <Java_the_Hutt> nikka in deed KDE's time out is about 10s
[12:43] <Java_the_Hutt> but really my isp sucks today
[12:43] <Java_the_Hutt> either with firefox or kde
[12:45] <mariux> does anyone really use noatun to play vids? it seems to me like it doesnt support any format, atleast not any i use
[12:45] <mariux> they work great in mplayer and vlc though
[12:49] <bleertep> hmm, i dont like noatun at all
[12:49] <morrow> any fixes available for this hibernate / splash thing?
[01:53] <kkathman> Good day all :)
[01:53] <Tm_T> kkathman: sir! o7
[01:53] <kkathman> Tm_T:  morning (here at least) o/
[01:54] <kkathman> Tm_T:  no need to salute :)  at ease :)
[01:54] <Tm_T> kkathman: yes, sir
[01:54] <kkathman> Tm_T:  Im thinking maybe we need to remove the KDE 3.5beta2 from the topic...I dont think its ready 
[01:55] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm, there's afaik two issues with it
[01:55] <kkathman> Tm_T:  at least until they get a patch for the artsd issue...there may be other issues too
[01:55] <Tm_T> arts an kontact
[01:57] <kkathman> Tm_T: right, I mean, we are getting inundated with the same issues, and its pretty clear that the developers might have jumped the gun in the beta2 release...
[01:58] <kkathman> Wonder how they missed an artsd problem as severe as that?
[01:58] <Tm_T> kkathman: I think it's only Kubuntu issue
[01:59] <kkathman> ohhh..hmmm interesting
[01:59] <kkathman> Tm_T: I would think that it wouldnt be tho...KDE surely depends on the standard kernel yes?
[01:59] <Tm_T> yes
[02:00] <Tm_T> kkathman: ?
[02:00] <kkathman> and so, is ubuntu (kubuntu) changing the kernel so much that its incompatible?
[02:00] <kkathman> that doesnt seem likely
[02:01] <nikkia> could be out-of-date alsa or such
[02:01] <Tm_T> kkathman: I think it's just bad luck when building packages
[02:01] <kkathman> hmm nikkia  good point...and yes, might be bad packaging...that happens
[02:02] <kkathman> I am just saying we might not want to be encouraging people to try it out just yet :)
[02:03] <kkathman> I figure until adept updates my system with it, it isnt ready :)
[02:04] <Tm_T> :p
[02:04] <kkathman> you disagree?
[02:04] <Tm_T> well, I have no trouble at all with beta2
[02:05] <kkathman> you fixed the artsd issue, or just turned it off?
[02:05] <Tm_T> I don't use arts, I compile some progs myself etc
[02:05] <kkathman> gotcha
[02:05] <Tm_T> so to me, it's just fine
[02:05] <kkathman> well I'd do ok I suppose, cuz I dont use sound on my linux box, and dont use kontact
[02:06] <Tm_T> and blame me, it was me who said first "it's great, release it"
[02:06] <Tm_T> IIRC
[02:06] <kkathman> we wont blame you :)
[02:06] <Tm_T> :(
[02:06] <Tm_T> why not?
[02:06] <kkathman> cuz you didnt release it :)
[02:07] <Tm_T> hmh
[02:07] <kkathman> but if it makes you feel better......
[02:07] <Tm_T> short moment I was important, or so I thought
[02:07] <kkathman> lol...you are important :)
[02:07] <Tm_T> =)
[02:08] <kkathman> I got Opera installed and running...works great now :)
[02:09] <Tm_T> :(
[02:09] <kkathman> sad face?
[02:10] <Tm_T> Opera :(
[02:10] <Tm_T> forced ads...
[02:10] <Juerd_> Tm_T: Not anymore
[02:11] <Tm_T> Juerd_: so I heard
[02:11] <kkathman> Tm_T: nope
[02:11] <Tm_T> Juerd_: but can't help, still feeling that way
[02:11] <Juerd_> Tm_T: That is your problem.
[02:11] <kkathman> Tm_T: they recently, with version 8.50 made the decision to freely distribute 
[02:11] <kkathman> No ads
[02:11] <Juerd_> Tm_T: If you want to badmouth Opera, do it for one of the many real reasons.
[02:12] <kkathman> I use Opera on both Linux and Windows actually
[02:12] <Tm_T> I use Konqi, I'm happy with what I have to be happy with
[02:13] <kkathman> Browsers, I've found, tend to be a matter of taste and preference
[02:13] <Juerd_> I use firefox
[02:13] <Juerd_> Konqui lacks adblock :)
[02:13] <kkathman> I know lots of people that use firefox and even IE
[02:13] <Juerd_> And the web developer toolbar
[02:14] <Juerd_> (I want to enable/disable stuff easily. Stuff like javascript, animation, java, referer:, colors)
[02:14] <kkathman> Firefox under windows has a few probs (latest version only) with streaming audio
[02:14] <kkathman> Juerd_: thats pretty easy to do with Opera too
[02:15] <kkathman> both FF and Opera are nicely skinniable
[02:15] <Juerd_> What's pretty easy? 
[02:15] <Juerd_> More than two clicks is not acceptable.
[02:15] <kkathman> I think this next offering from IE will be multi-tab and skinniable
[02:15] <kkathman> two clicks is what it takes me in Opera
[02:15] <Juerd_> Does Opera understand javascript already? :)
[02:16] <Juerd_> (Konqueror does it wrong too)
[02:16] <Juerd_> document.onload is supposed to be called when all images have loaded
[02:16] <Juerd_> Konqueror and Opera do it before then
[02:16] <Juerd_> There is no hard spec on this, but it'd be nice if they followed the major browsers (gecko, ie) on this, for compatibility.
[02:16] <kkathman> As far as I can tell it does, I use Jscrpt in my websites and it doesnt seem to have a prob
[02:16] <Juerd_> See photo.juerd.nl, and then any of the photo pages
[02:17] <Juerd_> You shouldn't see the photos load
[02:17] <kkathman> well, gecko is ONE standard
[02:17] <Juerd_> But instead a counter.
[02:17] <Juerd_> kkathman: Gecko does it consistently with netscape and ie.
[02:17] <kkathman> I'd prefer to see content as soon as its ready personally
[02:17] <Tm_T> Juerd_: ehm
[02:17] <Juerd_> kkathman: Besides that, Netscape practically invented Javascript, so it's always a good place to start :)
[02:17] <Tm_T> Juerd_: Konqi does have adblock
[02:17] <kkathman> lol
[02:17] <Juerd_> Tm_T: Oh, neat. Where?
[02:18] <kkathman> and we see how popular Netscape is now :)
[02:18] <Tm_T> Juerd_: just in konqi configure
[02:18] <Juerd_> kkathman: In the form of Gecko, very.
[02:18] <kkathman> Gecko is a good engine, no doubt
[02:19] <kkathman> Like I said, browsers tend to be a personal choice
[02:19] <Juerd_> Tm_T: Can't find it
[02:19] <Tm_T> Juerd_: your kde is...
[02:20] <Juerd_> Tm_T: Whatever comes with kubuntu breezy
[02:20] <kkathman> Im not that fond of Konqeror, because it tries to double as a browser and a file manager
[02:20] <Tm_T> Juerd_: hmm, in configure konqueror -> between java and fonts?
[02:20] <kkathman> Linux needs a really effective file manager 
[02:20] <Juerd_> Tm_T: There's nothing in between the two.
[02:21] <Juerd_> kkathman: It is a great browser and a great file manager.
[02:21] <kkathman> Not in my opinion
[02:21] <Tm_T> Juerd_: strange...
[02:21] <Juerd_> kkathman: I'd prefer them separate too, but I do like both Konqueror as browser and it as fm.
[02:21] <Tm_T> Juerd_: all konqueror related packages are installed?
[02:22] <kkathman> In my opinion, its a fair browser, and a lousy file manager
[02:22] <Juerd_> Tm_T: Afaik
[02:22] <Tm_T> Juerd_: strange
[02:22] <kkathman> When I open a file manager, I want to see files immediately (your click thing for instance)
[02:23] <Juerd_> kkathman: Then open it that way
[02:23] <kkathman> I dont want to have to go to the "addressline" and put in a location
[02:23] <Tm_T> Juerd_: well, atleast it is here, KDE 3.5 beta2
[02:23] <Juerd_> kkathman: Go to your home directory with kubuntu. Instant file display.
[02:23] <Ichanz> hi all...
[02:23] <Juerd_> Tm_T: I'll wait for that then. Thanks
[02:23] <Tm_T> :)
[02:23] <Ichanz> how to make flashdisk appear on media:/ ????
[02:23] <kkathman> Juerd_: secondly, I dont like that I cannot have a tree on the left and files on the right on a consistent basis...or be able to have multiple instances open
[02:24] <kkathman> I dont want to open a "tab" for a subdirectory
[02:24] <kkathman> I want to see the subdirectory on the right..which isnt possible in Konq
[02:24] <NeedHelp> Hi, i need help, i have a master HD where i mounted Kubuntu, and i have a slave where i mounted windows, can i browse my slave? how?
[02:25] <Kibou> where can I get some more info on katapult?
[02:27] <kkathman> Kibou: do an alt-f2 and type katapult ... this will start it for the first time and will then work from now on
[02:27] <tiit> NeedHelp: is windows fat or ntfs?
[02:27] <kkathman> then to use it, simply press alt-space and start typing the app
[02:27] <kkathman> !katapult
[02:27] <ubotu> I heard katapult is an application for KDE designed to provide faster access to applications, bookmarks and other items. Once you've installed it, alt+f2 ->katapult, then hit Alt+Space. When splash screen appears, type the command you want.
[02:28] <Juerd_> How is katapult better than alt+f2?
[02:28] <Juerd_> Alt+f2 is faster and understands non-kde applications
[02:28] <kkathman> Juerd_: autocomplete
[02:28] <kkathman> other than that, its about the same
[02:28] <Kibou> alrighty
[02:28] <Juerd_> I'd like to start, for example, firefox with katapult
[02:28] <Juerd_> But I have no idea how.
[02:29] <Ichanz> halooo I need Help... how to make sda1 appear on konqueror media:/ 
[02:29] <NeedHelp> Hi, i need help, i have a master HD where i mounted Kubuntu, and i have a slave where i mounted windows, can i browse my slave? how?
[02:29] <kkathman> Juerd_: type alt-space type fir  then hit return
[02:29] <Juerd_> kkathman: That gives me the "Firefox Central" bookmark... in Konqueror.
[02:29] <Kibou> hmm.. katapult completes to 'firefox central'
[02:29] <kkathman> Juerd_: yep
[02:29] <NeedHelp> tiit: i dunno!
[02:30] <Juerd_> It's not firefox. I wanted firefox.
[02:30] <kkathman> ohh..gotcha
[02:30] <kkathman> works that way for me cuz firefox is my default :)
[02:30] <kkathman> hehe
[02:30] <Juerd_> I like Konqueror as the default
[02:31] <Juerd_> That lets me easily see if I opened something, or if the computer did :)
[02:31] <tiit> NeedHelp: type fdisk -l (in terminal )
[02:31] <kkathman> since Katapult is new, Im not sure how apps get on its "registered" list
[02:31] <NeedHelp> tiit: fdisk is /sbin/fdisk
[02:31] <NeedHelp> bash: type: -l: not found
[02:32] <kkathman> I keep telling myself that katapult is new in this release of kubuntu and as such will evolve
[02:32] <tiit> or type "sudo fdisk -l"
[02:33] <kkathman> Juerd_: being a single click philosophy person myself, I just create an icon on the launch bar or on my desktop :)
[02:33] <NeedHelp> Disk /dev/hdb: 40.0 GB, 40027029504 bytes
[02:33] <NeedHelp> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4866 cylinders
[02:33] <NeedHelp> Units = cilindri of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[02:33] <NeedHelp> this is the slave
[02:33] <tiit> and thats all?
[02:33] <NeedHelp> nono
[02:33] <NeedHelp> THis is all:
[02:33] <NeedHelp> Disk /dev/hda: 203.9 GB, 203928109056 bytes
[02:33] <NeedHelp> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24792 cylinders
[02:33] <NeedHelp> Units = cilindri of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[02:33] <NeedHelp> Dispositivo Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[02:33] <NeedHelp> /dev/hda1   *           1       24605   197639631   83  Linux
[02:33] <NeedHelp> /dev/hda2           24606       24792     1502077+   5  Esteso
[02:33] <NeedHelp> /dev/hda5           24606       24792     1502046   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[02:33] <NeedHelp> Disk /dev/hdb: 40.0 GB, 40027029504 bytes
[02:33] <Juerd_> kkathman: I'm a zero clicker :)
[02:33] <NeedHelp> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4866 cylinders
[02:34] <NeedHelp> Units = cilindri of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[02:34] <NeedHelp> Dispositivo Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[02:34] <NeedHelp> /dev/hdb1   *           1        4110    33013543+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[02:34] <tiit> hm
[02:34] <Juerd_> kkathman: By default, I am using a text terminal. My hands are on the keyboard. I want to keep them there if possible.
[02:34] <tiit> windows is in ntfs
[02:34] <NeedHelp> so?
[02:34] <Juerd_> Also, after opening a browser, I will likely be typing an address
[02:34] <Juerd_> So the round trip to and from the mouse is a lot of work 
[02:34] <tiit> there are some problems with ntfs support in kernel
[02:34] <NeedHelp> oh :|
[02:35] <tiit> with fat, no problem
[02:35] <NeedHelp> So i cant browse?
[02:35] <tiit> i'll try to mount my ntfs disk
[02:35] <NeedHelp> ok, i have icq, if u want 162936541
[02:36] <tiit> I don't use icq
[02:36] <NeedHelp> Do you use something? :P
[02:36] <aftertaf> NeedHelp:  could you use pastebin?
[02:36] <kkathman> Juerd_: hehe
[02:37] <NeedHelp> aftertaf: What? XD
[02:37] <kkathman> Juerd_: have you upgraded to breezy yet?
[02:37] <aftertaf> :] 
[02:37] <Juerd_> kkathman: Yes.
[02:38] <kkathman> Juerd_: there is much less configuration for Konq now, and as such, I've been unable to get it to launch only in file manager mode. 
[02:38] <kkathman> thats why I said there is a real need for a good file manager in Linux
[02:38] <tiit> NeedHelp: type "sudo mkdir /media/windows"
[02:38] <NeedHelp> typed
[02:39] <tiit> then "sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222"
[02:39] <aftertaf> kkathman:  i run konq then hit F9
[02:39] <NeedHelp> did
[02:40] <NeedHelp> now? What must i do?
[02:40] <Juerd_> kkathman: Try the tree-only viewm
[02:40] <Juerd_> s/m$//
[02:40] <tiit> then open konqeror
[02:40] <Juerd_> kkathman: It takes some getting used to, but I love it.
[02:40] <tiit> or nautilus
[02:40] <NeedHelp> WOW! THANKS
[02:40] <NeedHelp> I VIEWED
[02:40] <NeedHelp> I LOVE YOU!! :*
[02:40] <NeedHelp> Thanks a lot
[02:40] <tiit> :)
[02:41] <tiit> if you want to mount this disk on boot
[02:41] <tiit> then you need edit /etc/fstab 
[02:42] <Juerd_> kkathman: And you can try F9 :)
[02:42] <kkathman> aftertaf: now thats a great thing I didnt know!!  In my case though it opened bookmarks, but I just clicked to HOME
[02:42] <aftertaf> :)
[02:42] <Juerd_> Oh, aftertaf said that already
[02:42] <tiit> NeedHelp: this windows is read only, no write rights!
[02:42] <aftertaf> hehe
[02:43] <kkathman> aftertaf: once you go to the HOME and exit, from now on it comes up home...excellent...thank you :)
[02:43] <aftertaf> hehe :)
[02:43] <Juerd_> kkathman: Still, do try the single pane tree view
[02:43] <kkathman> Juerd_: wow ok...the F9 thing made all the difference..this is actually what I want:)
[02:44] <mariux> anyone wanna doublecheck a bug for me?
[02:44] <aftertaf> loooooool
[02:44] <aftertaf> :)
[02:44] <Juerd_> The single pane thing lets you have several folders open at the same time
[02:44] <aftertaf> mariux:  fire away hombr?
[02:44] <mariux> http://www.math.ntnu.no/emner/TMA4100/2005h/Ovinger/aud/audov07.pdf download that one and "preview in kpdf" in konqueror
[02:44] <Juerd_> So you can see the contents of multiple folders at the same time.
[02:44] <mariux> it should open but show just a cross over the page
[02:45] <Juerd_> I have it open all the time.
[02:45] <tvo> could someone running breezy open this pdf in konqueror or kpdf and tell me what he/she sees? --> http://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=13038&action=view
[02:45] <mariux> now try to close the tab in konqueror and konqueror will freeze
[02:45] <kkathman> now it would be nice if you just clicked the Konq icon and it would come up this way without F9 :)
[02:45] <mariux> tvo: !!!
[02:45] <Juerd_> It also encourages you to keep directories small. But that proves handy in more places too
[02:45] <kkathman> mariux: it didnt for me
[02:45] <mariux> didnt crash?
[02:45] <mariux> did you preview it inside konqueror?
[02:45] <mariux> doesnt crash with the standalone kpdf app
[02:46] <aftertaf> ohhhhhh preview ;)
[02:46] <tvo> oh sorry I didn't notice this was about kpdf&konqueror too :)
[02:46] <mariux> neither does it crash (and it actually displays the file) with kghostview
[02:46] <kkathman> mariux: nope I had preview on too...didnt crash on me
[02:47] <aftertaf> i had preview auto, thx to ??
[02:47] <mariux> did it show the content with the kpdf embedded?
[02:47] <Kibou> can you somehow show hidden folders in the tree view?
[02:47] <Juerd_> kkathman: In the setting menu, choose to save the profile.
[02:47] <aftertaf> opened in kpdf had a dcop error but konq cloed ok.
[02:47] <mariux> mine only shows the content with kghostview embedded
[02:47] <kkathman> mariux: I just navigated to a directory of photos, and it works fine
[02:48] <Juerd_> kkathman: That lets you open it the next time without having to press F9
[02:48] <kkathman> Juerd_: excellent!! Many thanx :)
[02:48] <Juerd_> You're welcome
[02:48] <mariux> well when i open preview it in kpdf it doesnt show anything but nothing hangs, so i can change tab and do whatever, but when i go back to the tab later and try to close it it will hang
[02:49] <kkathman> mariux: oh you mean a pdf...hadnt tried that
[02:49] <mariux> i got a stalled on that file tvo
[02:49] <mariux> not any pdf
[02:49] <NeedHelp> Hi, i installed wine, and i restarted my siste, but an error comes up: "the manager of the KDE devices is not in execution" It appears every time i install a new packet by Adept,if i disinstall it the error doesen't come up can u help me?
[02:49] <mariux> http://www.math.ntnu.no/emner/TMA4100/2005h/Ovinger/aud/audov07.pdf that pdf
[02:49] <tvo> mariux: huh, strange
[02:50] <mariux> and also http://www.math.ntnu.no/emner/TMA4100/2005h/Ovinger/aud/audov03fasit.pdf i think
[02:50] <tvo> mariux: my konqueror get's stalled on your pdf..
[02:50] <mariux> when trying to close it, correct?
[02:50] <aftertaf> or set up a shortcut running konqueror with arguments....
[02:51] <aftertaf> konqueror --profile filemanagement
[02:51] <aftertaf> konqueror --profiles   shows you wich ones :)
[02:51] <mariux> ill submit a bug rthen
[02:51] <mariux> *bug-report then
[02:51] <aftertaf> NeedHelp:  let go of windows ;)
[02:52] <tvo> mariux: yeah, when closing it, but only if there is at least 1 other tab open (as you say)
[02:52] <NeedHelp> Hi, i installed wine, and i restarted my siste, but an error comes up: "the manager of the KDE devices is not in execution" It appears every time i install a new packet by Adept,if i disinstall it the error doesen't come up can u help me?
[02:53] <Juerd_> aftertaf: filemanagement doesn't include the panel by default
[02:54] <kkathman> NeedHelp: wine is not always reliable
[02:54] <aftertaf> kkathman:  konqueror --profile filemanagement, save the profile with F9 pressed, then try again.
[02:54] <aftertaf> Juerd_:  
[02:54] <kkathman> aftertaf: hehe got it already thanks :)
[02:54] <NeedHelp> kkathman: this problem appears EVERY TIME i install a new program, is not in specifical for wine
[02:54] <aftertaf> Juerd_:  sorry ... ;)        did what i said, it works(tm)
[02:55] <kkathman> NeedHelp: a new windows program?
[02:56] <NeedHelp> kkathman: no , a new program downloaded by adept
[02:58] <NeedHelp> it worked for a wile, then it don't worked
[02:58] <kkathman> NeedHelp: what happens if you try to install the new program using apt-get?
[02:58] <NeedHelp> it install it
[02:58] <NeedHelp> and then when i restart my pc
[02:58] <NeedHelp> i enter kubuntu and it says "the manager of the KDE devices is not in execution""
[02:58] <kkathman> NeedHelp: Have you tried uninstalling wine, then try Adept again?
[02:59] <NeedHelp> if i unisnstall wine it works without "the manager of the KDE devices is not in execution"" but if i install EVERY PROGRAM by adept, it appears"the manager of the KDE devices is not in execution"" at the reboot
[03:00] <kkathman> NeedHelp: Hmm... I have not had this problem at all. Did this start after you installed wine?  Wine is very unpredictable.
[03:01] <kkathman> Adept has run very well for me every time I've run it since my upgrade
[03:03] <NeedHelp> no it started after a friend sayed me to activate the full duplex, the system crashed, i rebooted and i've seen for the 1st time "the manager of the KDE devices is not in execution"so i deactivated the full duplex. But by there every time i install a program there is this problem
[03:04] <kkathman> NeedHelp: I searched the KDE database for that message and couldnt find any instance of it
[03:04] <NeedHelp> ok :\
[03:05] <mariux> you running 3.4.3 tvo ?
[03:05] <kkathman> but, you might report your expereince as a bug to the kubuntu developers
[03:05] <NeedHelp> howto?
[03:05] <NeedHelp> howto report im sayng
[03:05] <tvo> mariux: kpdf 3.4.3 on kde 3.5beta1
[03:06] <mariux> super :)
[03:07] <ican> help ::: how to make sda1 appear on konqueror media:/
[03:07] <kkathman> oops he left :)
[03:07] <kkathman> oh well
[03:07] <kkathman> !bugs
[03:07] <aftertaf> lol
[03:08] <kkathman> hehe
[03:08] <kkathman> guess ubotu doesnt know about bugs
[03:08] <mariux> tvo: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114686
[03:16] <inventas> _:D
[03:16] <inventas> can any 1 tell me a web to get cool stuff for linux ??
[03:16] <inventas> can any 1 tell me a web to get cool stuff for linux ??
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm.?
[03:20] <aftertaf> inventas:  what is your dfinition of cool stuff?
[03:20] <aftertaf> inventas:  a fridge seller?
[03:20] <aftertaf> www.electrolux.com ?
[03:21] <aftertaf> hi Kamping_Kaiser :)
[03:21] <nikkia> aftertaf: maybe one of those 'smart fridges' runs linux + qt/embedded
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi aftertaf :)
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> :O
[03:22] <inventas> som plus to linux
[03:22] <aftertaf> nikki_a:   :] 
[03:22] <nikkia> case in point:   http://www.redflag-linux.com/chanpin_old/ecp.php?id=10000008  <- hot linux stuff!
[03:25] <aftertaf> omg my laptop is at 93?c
[03:25] <aftertaf> :O
[03:25] <Tm_T> aftertaf: is it laptop or just coffeemaker with lcd?
[03:25] <nikkia> aftertaf: probably a lie, i let mine run to about '80C' as reported by acpi, as that's the best 'lap warming' level :)
[03:26] <aftertaf> looool
[03:26] <nikkia> when its stone-cold acpi reports 35C, so i don't believe its numbers very much
[03:26] <aftertaf> e17 candy says 93?     but the bugger is hot !
[03:26] <nikkia> turn the fan on, then :P
[03:30] <ican> anyone can help me???
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> ican: no, we all sit here for teh pleasure of it :D
[03:32] <kkathman> Tm_T: is Kontact the program that gets news from things like KDE.org?  I forget
[03:33] <nikkia> kkathman: it can, it can do lots of things
[03:33] <nikkia> one thing it doesn't do, that i wish it would, is take over from korganizer's system tray icon
[03:34] <ican> but i was asking many times... nobody answer me.... How to make sda1 appear on konqueror mediaL/
[03:34] <ican> but i was asking many times... nobody answer me.... How to make sda1 appear on konqueror media:/
[03:35] <kkathman> nikkia: I used to use something, and I think it was kontact, to get updates from kde.org and related sites. Just was verifying...I wont use it for mail...I use thunderbird for that
[03:36] <nikkia> i just use it as a better, and single, interface to korganiser and kaddressbook's functionality
[03:36] <kkathman> ahh yes thats what it was...it still has my defauts :)
[03:37] <kkathman> I could never really get that korganizer working the way I wanted.
[03:37] <kkathman> but honestly I didnt spent alot of time with it
[03:37] <ican> kubuntu suck.... it doesnt even recognized flashdisk easily
[03:38] <kkathman> ican: before you make such a broad statement, what have you tried?  Mine works just fine.
[03:39] <ican> i really do.... try to plug in flashdisk... and error message will appear
[03:39] <Riddell> ican: you need the updated kdebase from breezy-updates
[03:39] <kkathman> ican: that could be many things...did you recently upgrade or install from scratch?
[03:40] <kkathman> Greetings Riddell :)
 ican: you need the updated kdebase from breezy-updates <-- see above... i have ask many times.. no one answered... geee.. this is the answer... THANKS
[03:42] <kkathman> ican: there are always many reasons why things dont work, and we dont always get around to answering questions immediately. Some people, like Riddell, may have personal experience, while others are trying to ascertain your issue. Please give us at least a chance.
[03:43] <ican> ok khatman... 
[03:45] <raingrove> kubuntu rocks but thanks to some friend of mine i switched to suse and i find suse a little annoying in many aspects
[03:45] <ican> now.. next question... how to updated kdebase.. since i have use adept to update and the message says ... 'updated'
[03:46] <sproingie> suse has yast which is quite awesome.  also tuned better out of the box than redhat, that's for sure
[03:46] <sproingie> i have identical boxes at work, one's running rhel, the other suse9.  the suse box runs circles around the rh box
[03:46] <sproingie> probably owing to filesystem-intensive work and suse's choice of reiserfs
[03:48] <tvo> anyone mind testing this pdf file? --> http://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=13038&action=view
[03:48] <kkathman> ican: so you ran adept, clicked the "Fetch Updates"
[03:49] <ican> ok... i will try
[03:49] <raingrove> sproingie, yast is indeed good, but i find deb package system better
[03:49] <ican> thanks very much kkathman
[03:49] <kkathman> tvo: looks good to me :)
[03:49] <sproingie> raingrove: i find deb and rpm about the same.  apt certainly has more mature repositories than most rpm repos
[03:49] <raingrove> sproingie, yast is still the best rpm package manager i've seen though
[03:50] <sproingie> raingrove: yast is an everything-manager, that's what's great about it.  transactional configuration changes with rollback ability ... quite nice
[03:50] <tvo> kkathman: no rectangles instead of greek symbols?
[03:50] <luminoso> hi people.. i am a newbie and i'm having problems dealing with pendrives... i can access only when using su on console...
[03:51] <kkathman> tvo: they all looked like basic formulas with rho and deltas
[03:51] <kkathman> all the greek symbols were fine
[03:51] <tvo> kkathman: what are you running, hoary or breezy?
[03:51] <kkathman> tvo: breezy and It launched in Firefox
[03:52] <kkathman> tvo: using xpdf
[03:52] <tvo> kkathman: ah ok, that might explain it. Mind opening the pdf in konqueror or kpdf?
[03:52] <kkathman> tvo: will do... one moment please
[03:53] <luminoso> please.. someone can tell me to solve this?
[03:53] <tvo> ok thanks
[03:54] <kkathman> tvo: uhm...yes they are rectangles
[03:58] <tvo> kkathman: ok thanks, so it's not just my system
[04:02] <kkathman> greetings hussam!
[04:02] <kkathman> tvo: nope seems to be an issue with Konqueror or kpdf
[04:02] <kkathman> tvo: firefox and xpdf rendered it just fine
[04:03] <tvo> kkathman: yup, and kghostview renders it fine too; I already filed a bug
[04:03] <kkathman> luminoso: is your pendrive a USB?
[04:04] <luminoso> yes kkathman 
[04:05] <hussam> kkathman: hey buddy, what's up?
[04:06] <kkathman> luminoso: are you running breezy or hoary?
[04:07] <reagleBRKLN> i have deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted in sources.list but I do not see the updated packages
[04:07] <reagleBRKLN> for hal/gpg/konsole
[04:08] <seaLne> i'haven't seen them either
[04:09] <kkathman> ubotu: tell reagleBRKLN about gpgerr
[04:09] <slow-motion> hallo
[04:10] <kkathman> reagleBRKLN: check you PM
[04:10] <kkathman> your
[04:10] <kkathman> hussam: good to see you everything ok with you today?
[04:11] <hussam> kkathman: yeah. it's been a fun day.
[04:11] <kkathman> great to hear!
[04:14] <hussam> how come Linux recognises my DVD-rom dirve as CD-rom drive? ( I can still read dvds fine ) Could it be a bios thing?
[04:16] <raingrove> hussam / i am sure it is recognized as dvd rom..perhaps just the icon?
[04:16] <shantanu> Bitchx is a text mode IRC client right?
[04:17] <el-stupido> Bitchx is a text mode IRC client right?
[04:17] <hussam> raingrove: under media:/ it is CD-ROM (hdd) and not DVD-ROM but yes, it does read files from DVDs fine
[04:19] <luminoso> kkathman, 5.10
[04:19] <raingrove> right
[04:21] <EcksEightySix> Howdy. I just installed Kubuntu 5.10 (as 
[04:21] <EcksEightySix> server) and on startup, sshd is not running
[04:21] <EcksEightySix> how to turn it on?
[04:21] <EcksEightySix> turn it on/automate it on startup ?
[04:21] <satafterh> after i installed breezy i have no access to my hd in media, any way to correct this?
[04:22] <raingrove> hussam/ mine is DVD-ROM/CD-RW and it just says "CD Recorder"
[04:22] <raingrove> it is fine though
[04:23] <EcksEightySix> any clue?
[04:23] <hussam> raingrove, can I see your /etc/fstab?
[04:24] <kkathman> luminoso: I believe there are a few bugs or issues with USB operation, but there may also be fixes
[04:24] <EcksEightySix> anyone know why a fresh breezy instal (as server) would not start sshd on startup ?
[04:26] <luminoso> kkathman, i am using a 5.10 fresh install
[04:26] <kkathman> luminoso: try going here and reading down the thread until you get to the USB issue: http://dot.kde.org/1126308415/
[04:27] <luminoso> humm
[04:27] <kkathman> there are a couple of suggestions if you keep reading
[04:28] <shantanu> Hello
[04:28] <Kibou> is there a way to prevent katapult to be loaded?
[04:28] <luminoso> thanks kkathman 
[04:28] <hussam> EcksEightySix: not sure, try sudo chmod +x /etc/init.d/ssh
[04:29] <Kibou> I'm not using it and I can't find the option to disable it..
[04:30] <kkathman> Kibou: just bring up the monitor and kill it I suppose
[04:30] <raphink> uninstall it
[04:30] <kkathman> its not like its obtrusive...it only takes up resource when you invoke it
[04:30] <Kibou> hmm... guess you're right..
[04:30] <reagleB> Is very good source line for mplayer Kplayer, or Xine? Also, unfortunately, since I want the latest version of KVirc out of Debian unstable, that might cause me some conflicts.
[04:31] <reagleB> s/very/there a/
[04:31] <StR> anyone using kde3.5b1?
[04:31] <kkathman> raphink: its a part of kubuntu, so Im not sure if you can uninstall it...can you?
[04:31] <raphink> StR: beta2 here
[04:31] <kkathman> you CAN stop it
[04:31] <raphink> you can install anything kkathman 
[04:31] <raphink> uninstall sorry
[04:31] <StR> raphink: where are the rep for 3.5b2?
[04:31] <reagleB> Or, if I could get KVirc from somewhere else, that would be welcome
[04:31] <kkathman> really so how would you uninstall katapult?
[04:32] <raphink> sudo apt-get remove katapult I
[04:32] <raphink> I guess
[04:32] <raphink> sorry without the I in the end
[04:32] <raphink> StR: http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35beta1.php
[04:32] <raphink> sorry
[04:32] <raphink> StR: http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35beta2.php
[04:32] <raphink> not very stable to my opinion though
[04:32] <hussam> How do I use katapult?
[04:32] <kkathman> the beta2 is not advised
[04:33] <raphink> I don't have katapult btw
[04:33] <kkathman> uboto: tell hussam about katapult
[04:33] <kkathman> oops
[04:33] <StR> raphink: thanks
[04:33] <kkathman> ubotu: tell hussam about katapult
[04:33] <kkathman> hussam: check PM
[04:33] <raphink> ubotu tell hussam about katapult
[04:34] <raphink> without : I think
[04:34] <kkathman> nah it worked
[04:34] <raphink> ok :)
[04:34] <kkathman> hehe
[04:34] <raphink> does it work with `me' ?
[04:34] <raphink> like
[04:34] <kkathman> dunno
[04:34] <kkathman> tryit :)
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: or just !tell 
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser>  :)
[04:34] <raphink> ubotu: tell me about k3b
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[04:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell raphink about k3b
[04:35] <raphink> oh yes it works
[04:35] <hussam> I ran katapult but alt+space does nothing
[04:35] <kkathman> kewl
[04:35] <raphink> but it doen't konw what k3b is
[04:35] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: thanks...nice tip :)
[04:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[04:35] <raphink> ubotu tell me a story
[04:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubotu k3b is this burning app!
[04:35] <ubotu> okay, Kamping_Kaiser
 No, raphink, I won't. (target invalid?)
[04:35] <kkathman> now, if Konversation would just get the capabiltiy to make macros like mIRC :)
[04:35] <raphink> lol
[04:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> !k3b
[04:35] <ubotu> methinks k3b is this burning app!
[04:36] <raphink> you can make macros in konversation kkathman 
[04:36] <musti> hello.. i need some help.. how can i listen my mp3s.. i got a win xp with nfts system.. but parrelel i use kubuntu..
[04:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: what is k3b? may as well make the entry usefull :D
[04:36] <raphink> you can make scripts in bash, perl, whatever
[04:36] <kkathman> raphink: hey..really???? can you tell me how?
[04:36] <raphink> sure
[04:36] <kkathman> I dunno about k3b
[04:36] <raphink> kkathman: the scripts are in /usr/share/apps/konversation/scripts/
[04:37] <kkathman> raphink: just edit with gedit or something?
[04:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> !info k3b
[04:37] <raphink> then you can add them to konversation in Configure > Configure Konversation > Aliases
[04:37] <ubotu> k3b: (A sophisticated KDE cd burning application), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.12.2-0ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 3658 kB, Installed size: 7880 kB
[04:37] <raphink> with whatever you want kkathman 
[04:37] <raphink> k3b is the best burning GUI imho
[04:37] <raphink> :)
[04:37] <kkathman> raphink: great thanks!
[04:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubotu: k3b is "A sophisticated KDE cd burning application", its said to be the best burning GUI out there!
[04:37] <ubotu> ...but k3b is already something else...
[04:38] <raphink> kkathman: scripts often use dcop to make macros
[04:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubotu: forget k3b
[04:38] <ubotu> i forgot k3b, Kamping_Kaiser
[04:38] <raphink> so you can use the scripting language you want
[04:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubotu: k3b is "A sophisticated KDE cd burning application", its said to be the best burning GUI out there!
[04:38] <raphink> using dcop inside it
[04:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell me about k3b
[04:38] <raphink> ubotu: tell me everything
[04:39] <raphink> pff he won't tell me :(
 No, raphink, I won't. (target invalid?)
[04:39] <hussam> raphink: lol
[04:39] <kkathman> ask him to tel you about the meaning of life :)
[04:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. i should have updated ubotu. lets try :D
[04:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> !k3b
[04:39] <ubotu> k3b is probably "A sophisticated KDE cd burning application", its said to be the best burning GUI out there!
[04:39] <raphink> ubotu: tell me about the meaning of life
[04:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> woot
[04:40] <kkathman> !tell raphink about the answer to life
[04:40] <hussam> ubotu: tell me about the meaning of life
[04:40] <raphink> haha
[04:40] <raphink> good answer
 Someone already said that 13 seconds ago
[04:40] <kkathman> compliments of Douglas Adams
[04:40] <raphink> !tell hussam about the answer of life
[04:40] <raphink> yes kkathman 
[04:40] <raphink> I thought it was Asimov
[04:40] <raphink> nm
[04:41] <kkathman> raphink: nah...Hitchhikers Guide
[04:41] <kkathman> raphink: what were you saying about dcop?
[04:41] <hussam> ubotu: tell me about the answer of life
[04:41] <kkathman> answer to life
[04:41] <raphink> kkathman: you can use dcop in your scripts to control kde programs
[04:41] <hussam> it doesn't know what is the answer of lif
[04:41] <hussam> life*
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> jees
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> just say it in chan
[04:42] <kkathman> hussam: try answer "to" life
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> leave the poor bot alone ppl ;)
[04:42] <kkathman> lol Kamping_Kaiser 
[04:42] <raphink> you can easily browse the available dcop callings for each program using kdcop for example
[04:42] <hussam> poor bot lol
[04:42] <satafterh> trying to run gedit from root promt, get this error, anyone know what it means, (gedit:16477): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:??
[04:42] <mjpeg> hello. Is there a shn plugin for k3b?
[04:43] <raphink> sure satafterh 
[04:43] <raphink> it is not good to use gui as root
[04:43] <raphink> ;)
[04:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> satafterh: you ran sudo did you?
[04:43] <raphink> Kamping_Kaiser: I think he ran as su
[04:43] <raphink> rather than sudo
[04:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> true.
[04:43] <satafterh> so gedit wont work as root?
[04:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> no
[04:43] <raphink> satafterh: what's the point in using gedit as root?
[04:44] <raphink> whta you can do satafterh is use kdesu
[04:44] <raphink> to run gedit with a sudo
[04:44] <raphink> run 
[04:44] <raphink> kdesu gedit urlofyourfile
[04:44] <raphink> that will prompt for your password and open gedit as sudo
[04:45] <satafterh> want to edit souces.list. befor i upgraded I could just got to the apt dir and right click on it and edit as root but have no access to root dir any more
[04:45] <raphink> use nano
[04:45] <raphink> that's better
[04:45] <raphink> you make less mistakes ;)
[04:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> why are you using gedit in kde? prefer it over kate?
[04:45] <raphink> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list 
[04:45] <raphink> as normal user ;)
[04:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> (intrest, i dont care either way)
[04:46] <raphink> kwrite powa :)
[04:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:46] <raphink> Kamping_Kaiser: well I guess a typical gnome user who switched to kde and doesn't know we also have editors in here ;)
[04:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> raphink: over in this retro joint? ;) no, we gnome users belive all kde users use nano :P
[04:47] <satafterh> ok i will try that, any way to get access to my mounted hd in storage media again?
[04:47] <raphink> what do you mean satafterh ?
[04:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> !ntfs
[04:47] <ubotu> from memory, ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[04:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> satafterh: looked at that?
[04:48] <raphink> who talked about ntfs Kamping_Kaiser ?
[04:48] <satafterh> #raphink - all i see i storge media now is my floppy and dvd drives, hd is gone
[04:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> his storage partition raphink
[04:49] <raphink> same here satafterh 
[04:49] <raphink> I only have CD, DVD and removable medias in storage media
[04:49] <raphink> I don't have my partitions
[04:50] <satafterh> #raphink- is it a bug because it really bugs me lol
[04:50] <raphink> no idea
[04:50] <kkathman> raphink: you said Configure - Configure Konversation.....I dont seem to find "Configure" anywhere... Im sure Im just looking in the wrong place
[04:50] <raphink> you can go to /media
[04:50] <raphink> to see your drives
[04:50] <raphink> hmm I don't know the english version
[04:51] <raphink> here it's the 5th menu from the left
[04:51] <raphink> ;)
[04:51] <satafterh> you mean in the console
[04:51] <raphink> satafterh: no
[04:51] <raphink> in konqueror for example
[04:51] <raphink> go to /media
[04:51] <raphink> and you'll have your media
[04:51] <satafterh> #raphink - no its not there either
[04:51] <raphink> not sure this is what you want
[04:52] <raphink> what exactly do you want?
[04:52] <satafterh> #raphink - want to see my hd so i can access the root dir, 
[04:53] <raphink> oh you want to access the root dir?
[04:53] <raphink> then type / in konqueror
[04:53] <satafterh> #raphink - that worked, you the man
[04:53] <raphink> well / is the roo
[04:54] <raphink> root
[04:54] <brizzio> salut
[04:54] <raphink> wherever
[04:54] <raphink> the storage media is a windows-like replacement tool
[04:54] <brizzio> je suis franaise
[04:54] <raphink> hi brizzio 
[04:54] <kkathman> raphink: where is Configure?
[04:54] <brizzio> raphink speak french
[04:54] <satafterh> #raphink - so you do not see your hd either>
[04:54] <raphink> brizzio: tu peux aller sur #kubuntu-fr pour parler franais
[04:54] <brizzio> i am lost
[04:54] <raphink> no I don't see my hd either satafterh 
[04:55] <raphink> brizzio: tape /join #kubuntu-fr
[04:55] <brizzio> merci
[04:55] <raphink> kkathman: I told you, in my konversation it's the 5th menu from the left
[04:55] <satafterh> thanks for the help
[04:55] <brizzio> tank
[04:55] <kkathman> k
[04:55] <raphink> you're welcome brizzio 
[04:55] <raphink> sorry
[04:55] <raphink> I meant satafterh 
[04:55] <raphink> ;)
[04:55] <brizzio> i am speak with you also you anderstand me?
[04:56] <raphink> satafterh: to access your root dir, it's always called /
[04:56] <raphink> even in console
[04:56] <raphink> you can type 
[04:56] <raphink> cd /
[04:56] <Kibou> are there any drawbacks if I just deinstall kubuntu-desktop?
[04:56] <raphink> to go to your root dir
[04:56] <raphink> no Kibou 
[04:56] <raphink> it won't deinstall anything
[04:56] <Kibou> ok
[04:56] <raphink> but the metapackage
[04:56] <raphink> you won't lose any program
[04:56] <kkathman> raphink: problem is...I dont have any menus on my konversation at all :)
[04:56] <raphink> ah
[04:56] <reagleB> kaffeine_part.desktop not found in search path.
[04:56] <reagleB> wuh?
[04:56] <raphink> wait a min kkathman I had found the solution to this
[04:57] <brizzio> raphink tu parles bien franais
[04:57] <satafterh> #raphink - thats good to know, I had always gone through media and clicked on my hd and entered that way
[04:57] <raphink> je suis franais brizzio a aide
[04:57] <brizzio> oui c'est sur tu peux me donner  ou  tuyaux je dbarque
[04:58] <raphink> brizzio: on va parler sur kubuntu-fr ok?
[05:00] <kkathman> oops
[05:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb
[05:01] <satafterh> can somehelp edit my sources.list to show my newly download breezy dvd and not hoary cd
[05:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> satafterh: run 'sudo apt-cdrom' in konsole
[05:04] <xuniL____> bhaa gott a problem now with X... it crashes then i turn on the computer..
[05:06] <kkathman> raphink: I keep looking all around for how to enable the dang menus in Konversation...there must be a way :)
[05:06] <raphink> yes and I found it some time ago
[05:06] <raphink> but not anymore
[05:06] <raphink> I keep searching
[05:10] <satafterh> where can i get a list of back port?
[05:14] <azertyuuu> hey all, what is the best PDF-viewer ?
[05:14] <cyne> kPDF
[05:16] <kkathman> azertyuuu: use xpdf if you need to see advanced formulae, because there is a bug in kpdf
[05:17] <kkathman> kdpf wont render certain characters, so you might want to make firefox your default browser and point it to xpdf for maxmum flexibility
[05:17] <mrmarcel> tag
[05:18] <pigpen_> anybody know why an ibook g3 would crash on wake-from-sleep ? fresh 5.1 kubuntu install
[05:20] <brizzio> re
[05:20] <raphink> re brizzio 
[05:20] <raphink>  /join #kubuntu-fr
[05:20] <kkathman> raphink: Control-M
[05:20] <raphink> bien jou kkathman 
[05:20] <raphink> :)
[05:20] <raphink> j'ai mis des mois  trouver
[05:20] <raphink> lol
[05:22] <kkathman> raphink: you're welcome :)
[05:22] <raphink> oups sorry
[05:22] <raphink> lol
[05:22] <reagleBRKLN> for the life of me, I cannot get to my LCD monitor to run at its optimum 60 Hz; as you can see in http://rafb.net/paste/results/O3igO382.html I even locked down VertRefresh     60 but still, it runs of 75 Hz
[05:28] <pupeno> Hello.
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol@quit
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi pupeno
[05:29] <pupeno> I have a clean kubuntu installation now. What method do you recommend to configure mi wifi card ?
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> depends on the card
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> im not entirely sure what you should do, i dont have a card myself
[05:30] <pupeno> the card is an atheros card that works very well with madwifi drivers. I had it working like a charm with Gentoo, but Kubuntu doesn't seem to be able to handle it.
[05:31] <raphink> did you try using kwifimanager pupeno ?
[05:32] <pupeno> raphink: I use it to watch the lever, but the configuration... will it write a coherent /etc/network/interfaces ?
[05:32] <gsuveg> re
[05:32] <raphink> no idea pupeno 
[05:32] <gsuveg> anyone know, a breezy deb from kplayer ?
[05:33] <gsuveg> kaffeine insane slow play dvd
[05:33] <pupeno> raphink: be carefully then, a program like kwifimanager may screw up configurations.
[05:34] <raphink> I don't have a wifi card 
[05:35] <pupeno> I've run kwifimanager and it is now a zombie process... I would say madwifi drivers on Ubuntu are totally screwed up.
[05:45] <kkathman> gsuveg: try this http://www.icewalkers.com/Linux/Software/518730/KPlayer.html
[05:45] <kkathman> no guarantees
[05:45] <Tm_T> why not Kmplayer?
[05:46] <Tm_T> kmplayer give more choices
[05:46] <kkathman> preach it Tm_T  :)
[05:46] <Tm_T> =)
[05:46] <gsuveg> Tm_T: are you joke ?
[05:46] <Tm_T> ?
[05:47] <Tm_T> are you insulting me?
[05:47] <Tm_T> gsuveg: yes, Kmplayer is better than Kplayer
[05:48] <gsuveg> Tm_T: ah. wehre is deb from it ?
[05:48] <Tm_T> gsuveg: Kplayer can use only mplayer, when in Kmplayer you can choose between mplayer, xine and gstreamer
[05:48] <Tm_T> gsuveg: I have no idea, I compile it myself
[05:48] <gsuveg> ok
[05:48] <Tm_T> making sure I get newest :p
[05:49] <kkathman> gstreamer...ughh
[05:50] <Tm_T> kkathman: heh, as I said, it let you choose
[05:50] <Tm_T> and if mplayer/xine/gst crashes... Kmplayer doesn't care about it :p
[05:51] <gsuveg> Tm_T: cool. in src have debian dir! ;)
[05:51] <Tm_T> :)
[05:52] <gsuveg> it play dvd with menus ?
[05:52] <Tm_T> hmm, yes
[05:52] <gsuveg> thx
[05:53] <kkathman> Tm_T:  udaman
[05:54] <kkathman> Tm_T: you are from Finland yes?
[05:56] <Tm_T> yes
[05:56] <kkathman> Tm_T:  Are people from Finland called Finlanders?  Is that right?
[05:56] <Tm_T> eeeh
[05:56] <Tm_T> no
[05:56] <Tm_T> finnish
[05:56] <kkathman> ok...sorry
[05:56] <kkathman> thanx :)
[05:57] <Tm_T> Finlanders is really afwul band
[05:57] <kkathman> just wanted to be politically correct :)
[05:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:57] <sproingie> what's that make linus then?
[05:57] <sproingie> he's from finland, but he's swedish
[05:57] <Riddell> he's finnish
[05:57] <Tm_T> sproingie: err, he is finnish
[05:58] <Tm_T> sproingie: but speak swedish
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> sproingie: it makes him 'one of them' ;)
[05:59] <Tm_T> sproingie: minor part of finnish people talk swedish as their native language
[05:59] <sproingie> i guess the answer would be "ask linus"
[05:59] <Tm_T> sproingie: eh?
[05:59] <Tm_T> no need to bother him
[06:00] <Tm_T> sproingie: and because of that minority, all finnish kids have to learn swedish
[06:00] <Tm_T> :(
[06:00] <Tm_T> never learnt it properly
[06:01] <icewt> no, it's :)
[06:01] <icewt> the more languages you know the better
[06:01] <josh__> but that's quite confusing... because swedish compared to finnish is much more "easier",.. imho :)
[06:02] <Tm_T> jag mste sig att jag kan inte talar bra svenska
[06:02] <josh__> hej :D
[06:02] <Tm_T> josh__: yes, different "family" of language
[06:02] <sproingie> hmm boy.  ok, later all
[06:02] <Tm_T> polski perkele
[06:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> later sproingie
[06:03] <gsuveg> Tm_T: ist rock!
[06:03] <gsuveg> thanks
[06:03] <Tm_T> gsuveg: np :)
[06:03] <Tm_T> kkathman: you see?
[06:03] <gsuveg> not perfert, but it works ;)
[06:04] <Tm_T> gsuveg: nothings perfect
[06:04] <Tm_T> :)
[06:04] <kkathman> Tm_T: see what?
[06:05] <ep> I've got a FAT partition which is normally read only.  I like it this way (read only) normally but on occasion I want to write to it as a normal user, paste files in using kong for instance.  
[06:05] <ep> What is a convienent method to change permission on the fly.
[06:06] <asraniel> why is the kubuntu installation on my laptop so slow? "panic"
[06:06] <xuniL____> he is finnish sproingie
[06:07] <ep> Is that a stupid question?
[06:07] <kkathman> ep: you want to change the whole partition ?
[06:07] <xuniL____> on the fly?`
[06:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> ep not a stupid quiestion, just not poissible
[06:07] <kkathman> ep: or just a directory
[06:08] <kkathman> yah..you cant change the whole partition...you'd need to release it, then just use file/directory permissions
[06:09] <kkathman> at lease to my knowledge you cant change a partition
[06:09] <ep> A fat partiion that i use to transfer stuff from windows.  I dual boot.  The partition is normall read only for the normal user (me).  I can write to it as root.
[06:10] <ep> But if I'm root, I can't use kong for conveience.  At least i don't know how.
[06:11] <gsuveg> asraniel: what like a notebook ?
[06:11] <kkathman> I dont dual boot so I cant help you
[06:11] <el-stupido> anyone here play UT?
[06:11] <asraniel> gsuveg: acer travelmate 8103
[06:12] <gsuveg> proc ? 
[06:12] <asraniel> gsuveg: wait, have to look at the spec, its new, only 3 hours old :-)
[06:12] <gsuveg> ah
[06:12] <gsuveg> then a centrino one ?
[06:12] <asraniel> gsuveg: yes
[06:13] <gsuveg> #define SLOW ?
[06:14] <asraniel> gsuveg: everything went fine (i had to use linux noapic to start) but then at the copy stage, it looks like stuck on 6%, but i see that the filename that its coping changes from time to time
[06:14] <buz> i got 3.5.b1 right now but the dist-upgrade to 3.5b2 says
[06:14] <buz> After unpacking 291MB of additional disk space will be used.
[06:15] <buz> is that how it's supposed to be?
[06:15] <gsuveg> hmm. wait a little bit
[06:15] <gsuveg> asraniel: ^
[06:15] <asraniel> gsuveg: its just that its since 10 minutes or so on 6%, could there be some magic command to make it faster that i have too use as a bootparameter?
[06:16] <gsuveg> no
[06:16] <gsuveg> at the install it copy the debs to hdd and after reboot install it
[06:16] <kurtbec> anybody else getting broken packages errors when trying to install mozilla-mailnews
[06:17] <shantanu> Can anyone help me installing the NVidia drivers?
[06:17] <gsuveg> its cca 20-30min imho
[06:17] <gsuveg> shantanu: if you dont ask, nobody
[06:17] <shantanu> its giving me a gcc-version-check-failed error
[06:17] <shantanu> gsuveg  how do I fix that?
[06:18] <gsuveg> i dont know. i dont have nvidia
[06:18] <shantanu> gsuveg  lol thanx
[06:18] <shantanu> anyone else know how I can fix that?
[06:19] <ep> Can't  I can unmount and then remount the partition so that a normal user can write to it?
[06:21] <raphink> whether a normal user can write on a partition or not
[06:21] <raphink> depends mostly on whether he has writing rights or not
[06:21] <raphink> on the directories
[06:23] <el-stupido> apparently i seem to be compiling the NVidia Kernel with a diff version than the running Kernel anyone knows how i can change the running Kernel?
[06:23] <el-stupido> compiler
[06:23] <el-stupido> or change the compiler for the NVidia kernel?
[06:25] <gsuveg> Tm_T: are you instal it from deb ?
[06:25] <el-stupido> noone?
[06:25] <StR> Hi all!
[06:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> el-stupido: you have to install gcc-3.4
[06:25] <StR> i'm trying to use 3.5b2... but arts crashes...
[06:25] <el-stupido> Kamping_Kaiser  how do i do that?
[06:26] <el-stupido> Adept?
[06:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> el-stupido: using synaptic/kynaptic/apt/blah
[06:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, adeot
[06:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> *sp
[06:26] <el-stupido> thankyou
[06:27] <StR> anyone here using kde3.5b2?
[06:28] <Tm_T> gsuveg: nope
[06:28] <gsuveg> thats the problem :)
[06:28] <Tm_T> gsuveg: if you mean kmplayer
[06:28] <gsuveg> Tm_T: yes. sry
[06:29] <Tm_T> gsuveg: I use svn trunk version of it
[06:29] <Tm_T> just like amarok
[06:29] <gsuveg> ok
[06:29] <StR> arts crashes in my kde 3.5b2
[06:29] <gsuveg> StR: are read it on kubuntu.or g?
[06:30] <Corvus> doesn't kaffeine work with gstreamer plugins ?
[06:30] <Tm_T> StR: yup, disable or downgrade
[06:30] <Tm_T> Corvus: dunno, Kmplayer does
[06:30] <ivo-s> Is there information about the media:/-Problem? My partitions are not there.
[06:30] <Corvus> ok, i will try
[06:30] <gsuveg> Tm_T: the debian dependecies dont good for breezy
[06:30] <StR> Tm_T: downgrade the full KDE, or just arts?
[06:30] <Tm_T> gsuveg: heh
[06:30] <Tm_T> StR: arts
[06:30] <gsuveg> msg ?
[06:30] <Corvus> the major problem i have with kaffeine is that it doens't play my dvd's
[06:31] <Corvus> and i have libdvdcss2 installed
[06:31] <StR> i'm thinkint on that...
[06:31] <Corvus> :/
[06:31] <Tm_T> StR: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems
[06:31] <StR> but is it just me or every1else?
[06:31] <Tm_T> StR: it's with everyone
[06:31] <Tm_T> StR: but propably you don't need arts at all
[06:32] <Corvus> any idea why it doesn't work ?
[06:32] <el-stupido> Kamping_Kaiser hmm.. still wont work... gives me the same version check error
[06:32] <gsuveg>   kmplayer-lib: Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.1.0-1) but it is not installable
[06:32] <gsuveg>                 Depends: libxine1 but it is not installable
[06:32] <gsuveg> Tm_T: 
[06:32] <gsuveg> ^
[06:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> el-stupido: before you run compile, in the terminal type "CC=gcc-3.4" and that *should* fix it, but i may be rembmering wrong
[06:32] <StR> Tm_T: why?
[06:33] <StR> Tm_T: I canont play any sounds without arts, can I?
[06:33] <el-stupido> Kamping_Kaiser  nah your right.. i remember that now
[06:34] <el-stupido> Kamping_Kaiser  why does the installer keep saying the current compiler is gcc-4.0 ?
[06:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> el-stupido: im not sure, i havent done the nvidia compile since the gcc 3.4 -> 4 switch
[06:35] <el-stupido> Kamping_Kaiser  you think i should install gcc 4?
[06:36] <crimsun> el-stupido: that's because the current compiler IS gcc-4.0
[06:36] <el-stupido> Kamping_Kaiser  basically can I lol
[06:36] <crimsun> you have to install build-essential and gcc-3.4
[06:36] <StR> are there any backports already for breezy?
[06:36] <crimsun> StR: no
[06:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> el-stupido: try and find out what you ahve to do to make the compiler use gcc 3.4. try symlinking 3.4 to gcc instead of 4.02
[06:36] <StR> crimsun: thanks
[06:36] <crimsun> Kamping_Kaiser: don't recommend that
[06:36] <el-stupido> crimsun  okay
[06:36] <Tm_T> StR: you can
[06:36] <StR> Tm_T: how?
[06:36] <Tm_T> StR: I have full sounds, no arts
[06:36] <Tm_T> StR: well, what sounds you need?
[06:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> crimsun: yeh, im a bit tired, so everying sounds like a good diea
[06:37] <crimsun> el-stupido: like Kamping_Kaiser recommended earlier, you need to export CC=gcc-3.4
[06:37] <Tm_T> StR: all media player know alsa
[06:37] <Tm_T> players
[06:37] <Tm_T> gsuveg: uhm, just compile and install traditional way?
[06:38] <el-stupido> crimsun  i tried doing that.. but it keeps giving the same error saying current compiler is 4.0 not 3.4
[06:38] <Tm_T> StR: and for notify, you can use external player
[06:38] <gsuveg> Tm_T: yes :(
[06:38] <crimsun> el-stupido: did you type "export CC=gcc-3.4"?
[06:38] <el-stupido> crimsun  i'm only doing it cos i think i need it to play UT
[06:38] <el-stupido> crimsun  no
[06:39] <crimsun> el-stupido: what are you trying to compile?
[06:39] <el-stupido> NVidia graphics drivers x86
[06:39] <crimsun> el-stupido: did you follow http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?
[06:39] <el-stupido> crimsun  no
[06:39] <crimsun> el-stupido: there's no need to compile your own drivers; they're already compiled
[06:40] <crimsun> el-stupido: you just need to install nvidia-glx and run the enable glx command
[06:40] <crimsun> el-stupido: that page has a link to the relevant instructions for Nvidia
[06:40] <el-stupido> crimsun  i did install nvidia-glx
[06:40] <libben> xuniL____: 
[06:41] <el-stupido> and i think i did enable glx
[06:41] <libben> xuniL____:  u had problems with getting the console down with the tilde key? the one under "ESC"?
[06:41] <el-stupido> crimsun  i installed UT using the Loki Linux Installer and it wont work
[06:41] <el-stupido> crimsun  have you installed UT?
[06:42] <crimsun> el-stupido: a long, long time ago, yes. My current machine doesn't have a CD-ROM or enough free HD space.
[06:42] <crimsun> (or a decent 3D chipset, for that matter)
[06:43] <el-stupido> crimsun  i have gcc-3.4 AND gcc-4.0 installed .. would that cause a problem?
[06:43] <crimsun> el-stupido: no
[06:43] <crimsun> el-stupido: what seems to be the problem regarding UT then?
[06:43] <el-stupido> crimsun  then why wont UT run?
[06:43] <crimsun> el-stupido: paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[06:44] <el-stupido> okay
[06:45] <liamfoy> hmm, how come http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/breezy/kubuntu-5.10-rc-install-i386.iso isn't found?
[06:45] <el-stupido> crimsun  brb
[06:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> liamfoy: its no longer an rc
[06:46] <liamfoy> so I want..?
[06:46] <jjesse> the install
[06:46] <liamfoy> This is on the 'download' page..
[06:46] <el-stupido> crimsun: which logs did you want?
[06:47] <crimsun> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:47] <el-stupido> Command not found?
[06:47] <el-stupido> crimsun: Command not found?
[06:48] <liamfoy> jjesse: Yes I understand that, but the link is what?
[06:48] <liamfoy> since that download page links to a bogus file..
[06:48] <crimsun> el-stupido: no, paste the log file onto the Web page
[06:48] <jjesse> liamfoy: ttp://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[06:48] <jjesse> s/h
[06:49] <el-stupido> crimsun: where do i find the log file?
[06:49] <crimsun> el-stupido: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:49] <crimsun> el-stupido: download this Python script: http://ubuntulinux.nl/files/pastebin
[06:49] <el-stupido> crimsun: ok
[06:50] <crimsun> el-stupido: read the instructions at the top, and modify it as necessary
[06:50] <el-stupido> crimsun: found it
[06:50] <elementarmy> what does "no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH" mean?
[06:50] <liamfoy> jjesse: yes, and click US
[06:50] <crimsun> elementarmy: install build-essential
[06:50] <liamfoy> and try and download the x86
[06:50] <jjesse> liamfoy: hmmm having problems w/ the us, choose england or somethting else instead
[06:50] <elementarmy> what sould i do?
[06:50] <jjesse> liamfoy: just sent an note up
[06:50] <crimsun> elementarmy: run the command I gave you
[06:50] <liamfoy> jjesse: cool, I was just kinda letting you guys know:)
[06:50] <crimsun> elementarmy: or use Adept to search and install build-essential
[06:50] <jjesse> thanks
[06:51] <el-stupido> crimsun: i've opened the log file.. now its huge.. you want me to paste everything?
[06:52] <elementarmy> your link is bringing up kate
[06:53] <jjesse> liamfoy try http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/5.10/
[06:53] <jjesse> doh
[06:53] <jjesse> liamfoy try http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/5.10/
[06:53] <reagleBRKLN> how do i enable Konqueror audio (mp3) file "previews"? used to work a while ago, but doesn't anymore. noatun and arts and such do work otherwise.
[06:53] <el-stupido> crimsun: i've opened the log file.. now its huge.. you want me to paste everything?
[06:54] <ivo-s> Is there a way to get the harddrive partitions back to media:/ and/or the desktop?
[06:55] <crimsun> el-stupido: use the Python script
[06:55] <el-stupido> crimsun: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/398781   <--- thats the whole file
[06:56] <elementarmy> ok got build-esstinals but now it says "cant find x includes"
[06:57] <crimsun> el-stupido: you need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and comment out the Load "GLcore" and Load "dri" lines
[06:57] <el-stupido> crimsun: i have no clue as to what i do with the script or how i install it.. i can see what it does tho
[06:57] <crimsun> el-stupido: forget the script
[06:57] <el-stupido> crimsun: english plz lol i'm a new hehe
[06:57] <el-stupido> crimsun: could you guide me thru it?
[06:57] <crimsun> el-stupido: use an editor to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf as root
[06:57] <el-stupido> new=newb
[06:57] <el-stupido> like OpenOffice?
[06:58] <crimsun> kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:58] <hussam> elementarmy: x includes, sudo apt-get install xlibs-dev
[06:58] <elementarmy> thanks
[06:59] <el-stupido> crimsun: ok Kate opened
[06:59] <hussam> elementarmy: what exactly do you want to compile?
[06:59] <crimsun> el-stupido: is the conffile loaded?
[06:59] <el-stupido> crimsun: how do I check that?
[06:59] <crimsun> el-stupido: there should be a file loaded in the editor
[06:59] <hussam> elementarmy: if it's a kde app, you may need kdelibs-dev as well
[06:59] <crimsun> el-stupido: a bunch of text
[07:00] <el-stupido> crimsun:  oh yeah it is .. i thought you meant loaded somewhere else sorry
[07:00] <el-stupido> crimsun: its loaded in Kate
[07:00] <elementarmy> ok
[07:00] <crimsun> el-stupido: ok, now scroll down to Section "Module"
[07:00] <el-stupido> crimsun: ok
[07:00] <crimsun> el-stupido: do you see a Load "dri" line?
[07:01] <el-stupido> crimsun: yeah
[07:01] <crimsun> el-stupido: put a # at the beginning of that line
[07:01] <el-stupido> ok
[07:01] <el-stupido> crimsun: done
[07:01] <crimsun> el-stupido: if you see a Load "GLcore" in that section, put a # at the beginning of that line, too
[07:02] <el-stupido> crimsun:  ok
[07:02] <crimsun> el-stupido: otherwise, if you don't see a Load "GLcore", just save the file, exit, and restart KDM
[07:03] <el-stupido> crimsun: i put the # 
[07:03] <el-stupido> crimsun: i'l save and exit now
[07:03] <el-stupido> crimsun:  done
[07:04] <el-stupido> crimsun: what next?
[07:05] <Firetech> Are the HAL fixes still pending?
[07:05] <crimsun> el-stupido: restart KDM
[07:07] <el-stupido> crimsun: ok
[07:07] <el-stupido> brb
[07:08] <_elementarmy> why do i always lose my dsl connection when i use apt/
[07:08] <_elementarmy> *.
[07:08] <el-stupido> crimsun: back
[07:09] <el-stupido> crimsun: I'l chat from BitchX so i wont have to leave chat to restart kdm
[07:10] <el-stupido> shantanu: is me
[07:10] <el-stupido> lol
[07:10] <el-stupido> crimsun  you there?
[07:11] <crimsun> yes?
[07:11] <el-stupido> crimsun  what did we just do? lol
[07:11] <crimsun> el-stupido: does UT work now?
[07:12] <el-stupido> crimsun  lemme check
[07:12] <el-stupido> crimsun  still wont work :/
[07:12] <el-stupido> crimsun  same error.... 
[07:12] <elementarmy_> has anyone had probs with apt?
[07:13] <asraniel> ok, thats realy not normal, the installation is realy realy slow, but not frozen, if it continues at this speed it will take 24 hours or so...
[07:13] <crimsun> el-stupido: you never told me what the error is
[07:14] <elementarmy_> could someone help with a weird prob?
[07:15] <elementarmy_> por favor
[07:15] <Forgottendru> hey good morning
[07:16] <el-stupido> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/398799
[07:17] <crimsun> el-stupido: that's not an Nvidia error, that's a configuration or Loki error
[07:17] <crimsun> el-stupido: you need to read the instructions that Loki distributes
[07:17] <el-stupido> crimsun: How can I solve it?
[07:17] <woddf2> Haldo
[07:17] <crimsun> el-stupido: Loki has instructions.
[07:17] <el-stupido> crimsun: i installed it exactly as per the instructions in the Debina Readme
[07:17] <woddf2> How do I enable the Dvorak layout?
[07:17] <el-stupido> Debian
[07:17] <crimsun> el-stupido: It can't find the data files.
[07:18] <Forgottendru> i am still having problems with kubuntu
[07:18] <crimsun> el-stupido: please read http://www.idoru.org/unreal.html
[07:18] <el-stupido> crimsun: but i can see the data files are installed when i look in the folders
[07:18] <woddf2> How do I enable the Dvorak layout?
[07:18] <woddf2> I can't find it.
[07:19] <crimsun> el-stupido: please use Google; I have to return to work.
[07:20] <raingrove> isn't it in regional & locale settings?
[07:20] <woddf2> No
[07:20] <el-stupido> crimsun: thank you for your time
[07:20] <Forgottendru> can someone help me?
[07:20] <Forgottendru> it wont let me get into network settings
[07:21] <hussam> Riddell: After today's kde update for breezy, media:/ is empty again.
[07:21] <Forgottendru> it asks for password for admin mode and nothing happens
[07:22] <hussam> Riddell: it wasn't empty in the kde that shipped with breezy.
[07:22] <woddf2> Why can't I find the Dvorak layout in Regional & Accessibility?
[07:22] <Forgottendru> probably havent installed it
[07:23] <woddf2> How do I do that?
[07:23] <Forgottendru> synaptic?
[07:23] <woddf2> I have Adept, but not Synaptic.
[07:23] <elementarmy_> ok i finally compiled crystal-0.9.5, but when i make i get nothing but erroers, could someone help/
[07:23] <elementarmy_> *?
[07:24] <Riddell> hussam: try inserting a CD
[07:24] <Riddell> or UBS stick
[07:25] <Forgottendru> half the time when i boot it doesnt recognise my sound card, half the time it does
[07:25] <hussam> Riddell: if I insert a CD, it will automount it and it will apear in media:/
[07:27] <frank23> woddf2: I think dvorak is in the variants
[07:27] <Forgottendru> im thinking of removing ubuntu because it is annoying me!
[07:28] <woddf2> Variants is blank.
[07:28] <Forgottendru> i will install suse
[07:28] <frank23> woddf2: install US then chose the dvorak variant
[07:29] <hussam> Riddell: but the tooltip over the icon says "mounted CD writer" although media:/hdd is a DVD-rom drive.
[07:29] <hussam> Riddell: my CD writer is /dev/hdc and not hdd
[07:30] <dreamwave> good morning.  on the gnome side, my windows partition shows up on the desktop.  how is this done on the kde side?  my flash drives are showing up correctly on the desktop and in media:/
[07:30] <BlankC> what happened to kcalc in breezy? Why did it get replaced with SpeedCrunch?
[07:32] <rysiek> hello all
[07:32] <rysiek> got a question (obviously ;)
[07:32] <chris-x> hey guys, any idea why vim isnt able to display colorschemes correctly? (gvim does) for example: zenburn
[07:32] <el-stupido> how do I uninstall a previousl installed game?
[07:33] <rysiek> I have installed lineakd, fighting with it to support my keyboard (and winning! ha!), and I want it to start with KDE
[07:33] <frank23> el-stupido: did you ever get ut to work?
[07:34] <rysiek> obviously it would be: screen -d -m lineakd [options]  - but the question is: how to make this line get executed when KDE starts?
[07:34] <el-stupido> frank23: apparently the installer i used from Loki gives that error
[07:34] <el-stupido> frank23: i downloaded a new linux installer (same file another source) and am trying now
[07:35] <el-stupido> frank23: but from what I read on the forums http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=67124&page=6&highlight=Unreal+Tournament <--- it should work
[07:35] <frank23> ok
[07:35] <bhna> how can i add my harddrives to media:/
[07:35] <rysiek> bhna: define them in /etc/fstab ;)
[07:36] <rysiek> bhna: man fstab and man mount I would suggest ;)
[07:36] <hussam> Riddell: is there anyway to get the default breezy behavior from before today's update for this?
[07:36] <bhna> rysiek: have it but htere are no hds in media:/
[07:36] <rysiek> hmmm
[07:37] <rysiek> mount -a maybe? :)
[07:37] <el-stupido> frank23: do you know how i can uninstall a previous game?
[07:37] <bhna> rysiek: there is only the floppy
[07:37] <rysiek> bhna: try "umount <your_newly_added_hd_device>"
[07:37] <rysiek> bhna: and then "mount <as_above>"
[07:38] <frank23> el-stupido: either you use loki installer to uninstall (I don't know it can or not) or you delete by hand
[07:38] <rysiek> bhna: e.g.: "umount /dev/sda1" and "mount /dev/sda1"
[07:38] <rysiek> bhna: this will (re)mount the drives
[07:38] <Riddell> hussam: turn off hal
[07:38] <bhna> rysiek: no effect
[07:38] <rysiek> hmmm
[07:38] <rysiek> have you re-loaded media:/ ?
[07:39] <bhna> rysiek: yes
[07:39] <rysiek> show me the fstab entries for one of the drives
[07:39] <bhna> rysiek: moment please
[07:39] <hussam> Riddell: automount already worked if the original kde from breezy.
[07:40] <hussam> Riddell: sorry, in* the original kde from breezy.
[07:40] <DocTomoe> how can I force a downgrade from beta2 to beta1 with apt-get?
[07:40] <bhna> rysiek: /dev/hda1       /media/hda1	ntfs    nls=utf8,umask=0222 0       0
[07:41] <rysiek> bhna: a-ha! do you have a space between /media/hda1 and ntfs?
[07:41] <bhna> rysiek: yes
[07:41] <rysiek> ok, then try adding "defaults" to options
[07:42] <rysiek> bhna: like "defaults,nls=utf8,umask=0222"
[07:42] <bhna> i cna mount my hda1 and i can copy form ha but there is no had1 in media:/
[07:43] <rysiek> ok, but do you have read permissions as a normal user?
[07:43] <bhna> rysiek: yes
[07:43] <rysiek> hmm
[07:43] <bhna> rysiek: this is my other hd /dev/hda7       /media/hda7     vfat    defaults        0       0
[07:43] <rysiek> then it has to be something with the media:/ magic, and it's beyond me :/
[07:43] <hussam> Riddell: I'll try rebooting
[07:44] <rysiek> bhna: sorry
[07:44] <rysiek> bhna:
[07:44] <rysiek> bhna: wait
[07:44] <rysiek> got an idea:
[07:44] <rysiek> bhna: umount the new drives
[07:45] <bhna> rysiek: ok just a moment
[07:45] <rysiek> and tell me, what do you have in the /media/ folder?
[07:45] <rysiek> bhna: ls -l /media/ will be ok :)
[07:46] <bhna> rysiek: in the /media folder is the hda1 folder
[07:46] <bhna> rysiek: but there is no hda icon in the kio-slave media:/
[07:47] <rysiek> bhna: I understand, but do you have the mount-points? I suppose you do, otherwise mount would complain about it, but I just want to check
[07:48] <rysiek> bhna: leave the kio-slave and go konsole ;)
[07:48] <bhna> rysiek: i have the mount-point. thats ok.
[07:48] <rysiek> bhna: then I don't have an idea, what's wrong
[07:49] <bhna> i have the hd cions in the media:/ before the updates
[07:49] <ivo-s> bhna: the same here
[07:49] <hussam> bhna: same here. it broke after today's breezy update
[07:50] <ivo-s> hussam: yes, same here
[07:50] <icewt> in the default kubuntu kde theme, when a window is not active, it's title becomes in a way blurred. is there a way to make it not become blurry?
[07:50] <bhna> Riddell: any solutions for our (hussam, ivo-s) problem?
[07:51] <icewt> i don't mind, but my sister won't move from windows to linux if the title become blurry :P
[07:51] <icewt> +s
[07:52] <Riddell> bhna: what's the problem?
[07:53] <elcuco> hi all,
[07:54] <elcuco> i am experiencing segfaults on the startup of many applications
[07:54] <elcuco> the funniest is apt-get
[07:54] <bhna> Riddell: there are no icons for mounted hds in media:/ only mounted usb-drives ans cdroms
[07:54] <Forgottendru> can you help me please
[07:54] <Forgottendru> i am having trouble
[07:55] <hussam> Riddell: even after the CD-ROM is mounted and konqueror opens media:/hdd , a small "Mounting /dev/hdd" stays on the screen saying 0% although /dev/hdd is already mounted
[07:56] <Riddell> bhna: you need to use fstab for hard disks
[07:56] <icewt> ah.. i got my problem fixed
[07:56] <patoruso> anyone speaks spanish?
[07:56] <hussam> Riddell: I press cancel on it since hdd is already mounted and the desktop freezes.
[07:57] <bhna> Riddell: the hds are in the fstab and mounted
[07:57] <hussam> Riddell: even if the hard disk is in fstab, it won't show in media:/ after today's update
[07:57] <frank23> !es
[07:57] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:58] <hussam> Riddell: the hds are still accessible in /media/ntfsdisk or similar
[07:58] <patoruso> i every1, i'll go to the point, i have ubuntu 5.04 and i want to switch to kubuntu 5.10, i downloaded and burned the cd but i want to have a clean installation how can i do this?, the pc has xp also ubuntu on a diferent partition, sorry for my english
[08:01] <DocTomoe> patoruso: how about editing your sources.list and doing a apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade?
[08:01] <rysiek> ok, trying to repeat my question: where should I put a single line I want to be executed when KDE starts?
[08:02] <patoruso> but i alreaady have the cd, and my internet conecction is not that fast, i got the cd from a friend
[08:02] <elementarmy> could someone help with compiling prob?
[08:02] <DocTomoe> rysiek: how about putting a softlink to ~/.kde/Autostart?
[08:02] <treefrog> frank32: if you are around.. the latest update fixed the amarok issue.
[08:02] <hussam> Riddell: is there anyway to disable the small "mounting /dev/hdd" window from appearing in the first place? it stays at 0% even after the cd is mounted and pressing "cancel" on it makes KDE hang.
[08:03] <patoruso> how do i do that?
[08:03] <rysiek> DocTomoe: thx, that may be it ;)
[08:03] <DocTomoe> patoruso: this really is too bad ... I really recommend not trying to "overwrite" an old ubuntu (or linux) distribution. try an upgrade, really
[08:03] <satafterh> KDE 3.5 Beta 2 buggs fixed yet?
[08:03] <xuniL____> okey i need help i cant start x.... then i turn linux on
[08:03] <DocTomoe> satafterh: not until beta3 or RC ;) Yes, I hate that, too
[08:04] <patoruso> i don't want to overwrite i want a clean instalation
[08:04] <satafterh> #DocTomoe - you exspect a few buggs as its beta but this one came with a gab full
[08:05] <DocTomoe> patoruso: If you insist (and again I advise against that!), backup ~/*, format your hard disk, install from scratch. installation CDs are not upgrade cds ...
[08:05] <satafterh> bag full
[08:05] <DocTomoe> satafterh: go tell me the obvious ... I am struggling with this myself (no, I am not a packager)
[08:06] <patoruso> i don't have any important data in this partition i already switch it to another hard disk
[08:06] <patoruso> that's why i want to have a clean instalation, but i want to keep xp on the other partition
[08:06] <satafterh> #DocTomoe - should be alfa not beta, lol
[08:06] <rysiek> pataruso: then just insert the cd
[08:07] <patoruso> and how do i format the linux partition
[08:07] <rysiek> pataruso: and do a normal install, but be carefull with the partitioning
[08:07] <patoruso> i've never done ir before
[08:07] <rysiek> pataruso: have you installed ubuntu/kubuntu yet?
[08:07] <patoruso> yes
[08:07] <DocTomoe> patoruso: then just install it again ...
[08:07] <rysiek> pataruso: ok, do you remember the small wizard for disk partitioning?
[08:07] <patoruso> format and install
[08:07] <patoruso> ok
[08:08] <patoruso> yes
[08:08] <rysiek> pataruso: just select the linux partitions to be formatted
[08:08] <patoruso> and how about the swap
[08:08] <puckman> Hey, I got a super weird problem
[08:08] <patoruso> how much do you recommend my pc is P4 2.4Ghz 256RAM
[08:09] <puckman> out of the blue konsole claims that whois and dig are unknown commands?
[08:09] <puckman> anyone ever had that?
[08:09] <DocTomoe> puckman: you might want to install them first ...
[08:09] <DocTomoe> sudo apt-get install whois dig
[08:10] <rysiek> pataruso: as far as I know swap should be ~2 times the RAM you have
[08:10] <puckman> ah, I had no idea they did not come installed
[08:10] <puckman> sorry
[08:10] <hussam> so does anyone know how to get media:/ to display mounted hard disks and unmounted CD-Roms again?
[08:10] <patoruso> ok thanks all of you, i'll try and come back if i have trouble
[08:11] <rysiek> pataruso: just watch out and don't touch the windows partitions :] 
[08:11] <patoruso> ok
[08:11] <patoruso> i'll rememeber that
[08:11] <satafterh> can i install over my currant system to get kde 3.4.3 back with out messing everthing eles up?
[08:11] <rosco> hi
[08:11] <rysiek> ok, gtg guys
[08:11] <rysiek> cu all
[08:12] <raingrove> satafterh, ya
[08:14] <os2mac> is there a way to save you wlan0 settings (essid and key) so that you don't have to reset coming out from hibernation?
[08:14] <rosco> I've just installed kubuntu (5.10) but I cannot find the page related to the graphic card (nvidia). Is there a spcial way to do it in kubuntu ??
[08:15] <rosco> there is xserver, opengl, but nothing specific about the graphic card
[08:15] <frank23> !nvidia
[08:15] <ubotu> it has been said that nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[08:16] <frank23> you can use adept instead of synaptic
[08:16] <DocTomoe> os2mac: I am happily using wlassistant for this task ... you might want to look at kde-apps.org, because there is no native kubuntu package
[08:17] <frank23> os2mac: you can look into network-manager although I have never used it
[08:18] <rosco> ok, I'll use adept, but even if I didn't wanted to install nvidia driver, is there a control panel that shows me info about the graphic adapter ?
[08:18] <rosco> I found it in KDE (suse) but not in this KDE
[08:19] <frank23> rosco: what so you mean?  once the nvidia drivers are installed, nvidia-settings  can be used
[08:22] <rosco> frank23: I mean for example the panel where i can check the amount of memory of the card, or other parameters
[08:22] <DocTomoe> ok, I am trying this in another manner ... how can I make sure that all packages of my distribution are reinstalled? 
[08:22] <frank23> rosco: nvidia-settings does that
[08:25] <libben> how do i mount manually my floppy
[08:25] <frank23> rosco: actually for nvidia-settings you also need to install the nvidia-settings package
[08:25] <NSK> libben: use the mount command
[08:28] <unsurreal> libben: mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
[08:29] <os2mac> Frank23: I can't get network-settings to save the settings for after hibernation.
[08:29] <Nightie> Hello, I'm running kubuntu 5.10 on my laptop. If I plug in the ethernet cable, I can't get connection... I have a router with dhcp that works PERFECTLY on my "tower-pc". Laptop has got eth0 for wireless and eth1 for wired network. Can you help me please?
[08:29] <os2mac> DocTomoe: I can't that package to install.
[08:30] <DocTomoe> right: You have to compile it from source ;)
[08:30] <os2mac> there is a .deb package.
[08:30] <DocTomoe> Nightie: What does sudo dhclient eth1 ?
[08:30] <DocTomoe> os2mac: right. for DEBIAN. You are using UBUNTU ;)
[08:31] <os2mac> hehe...
[08:31] <os2mac> but I thought they were the same (evil grin)
[08:31] <DocTomoe> well ... a Fiat uno and a tank resemble each other in a kind of way ... so do ubuntu and debian
[08:35] <Nightie2> DocTomoe: thanx, it works now! But... do I have to type this anytime I want to use my router?
[08:36] <DocTomoe> I am starting this tool and keep it in the background...solves my problem ...
[08:37] <Nightie2> which tool? are you talking to me?
[08:38] <os2mac> DocTomoe: I am not sure new software will fix it... I think it's not reading the /etc/network/interfaces file upon coming out of hibernation.
[08:39] <DocTomoe> Nightie2: mistook your statement ... You still want to give me info what dhclient eth0 does to your network problem
[08:40] <Nightie2> DocTomoe: well... I can surf the web, now... do you want me to write the output?
[08:40] <DocTomoe> Nightie2: ok, problem solved ;) you might want to add a line like that to /etc/init.d/networking
[08:41] <chuck87> hi!
[08:41] <Nightie2> well... great... I'm going to do it asap!
[08:42] <chuck87> does somebody can help me to update kubuntu 5.04 to 5.10?
[08:43] <EcksEightySix> howdy. is there a termcap package for ubuntu/kubuntu? tried almost every libtermcap combo with apt-get install, without much success
[08:43] <EcksEightySix> I have to install Sun Web Server, and it's setup require libtermcap.so.2
[08:43] <EcksEightySix> any hints?
[08:44] <Nightie2> Does anybody know what "irqpoll" parameter for kernel actually does?
[08:47] <chuck87> does anybody can help me to update kubuntu 5.04 to 5.10?
[08:50] <EcksEightySix> howdy. what package should I install if I need libtermcap.so.2 (tried a lot of possible combo with apt-get without much success)
[08:50] <el-stupido> anyone in here play Unreal Tournament
[08:52] <EcksEightySix> so, there's no possible way for me to get a ubuntu (breezy) package that'd install libtermcap.so.2 on my system? :(
[08:53] <kkathman> Hmm I just had something odd happen
[08:53] <el-stupido> anyone in here play Unreal Tournament?
[08:54] <kkathman> one of my samba shares to a winbox, is reporting files that were there, but are not anymore, and those that are there, it says arent :)
[08:57] <sikor_sxe> which package do i have to install to have the kde headers installed?
[08:57] <treefrog> Hi anyone know about setting up the Java support in Konqueror. I cant use this site http://myspeed.visualware.com/
[08:58] <NSK> treefrog: just install java ?
[08:59] <treefrog> from Adept? or where? 
[08:59] <treefrog> sorry very sill Q I'm sure 
[09:00] <NSK> from sun, I suppose
[09:00] <laszlok> EcksEightySix: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=libtermcap.so.2&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=breezy&arch=i386
[09:00] <treefrog> did that on my last install atempt and it did not go se well .
[09:01] <treefrog> once biten twice shy
[09:01] <treefrog> I'll hve another go
[09:01] <_vincent> sibarra bon, toujours rien
[09:07] <yogarine> howdy
[09:08] <yogarine> question: how do I properly set up PPPoE in Kubuntu...?
[09:10] <drom1n4d0> nedd help
[09:10] <drom1n4d0> for
[09:10] <drom1n4d0> configure a printer??
[09:10] <drom1n4d0> i put a printer for usb
[09:11] <drom1n4d0> is the hp deskejet 940c
[09:11] <drom1n4d0> someone help me
[09:11] <drom1n4d0> i need the printer 
[09:12] <asraniel> just wanted to say how much i love linux.. its so much better than windows (just wanted to say that)
[09:12] <drom1n4d0> yes but in windows its easy configure a printer
[09:13] <drom1n4d0> in linux is diferent
[09:13] <drom1n4d0> can you tell me
[09:13] <kkathman> well that was weird
[09:13] <drom1n4d0> how configure
[09:13] <kkathman> hmm
[09:13] <yogarine> lol
[09:13] <yogarine> haha
[09:13] <asraniel> drom1n4d0: try to install a usb keyboard on a windows oem computer.. it wants the xp cd, but i have no xp cd! only a recovery cd!
[09:14] <yogarine> dont you hate it when that happens? :P
[09:14] <drom1n4d0> what?
[09:14] <drom1n4d0> my mouse is usb
[09:14] <drom1n4d0> and working in linux
[09:14] <kkathman> asraniel: no way...why would it want an xp cd??? I've installed 100's of keyboards and just plugging them in and rebooting works
[09:15] <yogarine> anyway
[09:15] <kkathman> mine too drom :)
[09:15] <yogarine> I want to set up my PPPoE properly
[09:15] <yogarine> can anyone help me out?
[09:15] <drom1n4d0> omg
[09:16] <drom1n4d0> i need this printer and you talk about xp
[09:16] <asraniel> kkathman: well, mine doesent. but surprisgnly it works under linux! grrr
[09:16] <shiv> hi all
[09:16] <drom1n4d0> what is the comands for working with a printer
[09:16] <kkathman> asraniel: thats just weird :)  must be some kind of odd keyboard then
[09:16] <kkathman> lol
[09:17] <drom1n4d0> apt-get install cupsys
[09:17] <drom1n4d0> i put this
[09:17] <kkathman> yogarine: did you upgrade or install clean?
[09:17] <yogarine> clean
[09:17] <yogarine> I configured it using pppoeconf
[09:17] <kkathman> yogarine: then did you have your system plugged into the network while installing?
[09:17] <yogarine> but the bugger wont connect on boot, and pon dsl-thingy wont work
[09:17] <yogarine> yes
[09:18] <kkathman> cuz I didnt have to do a thing
[09:18] <kkathman> hey hussam :)
[09:18] <yogarine> kkathman: well... dont have a network acutally
[09:18] <shiv> when I start my computer I get this black screen dhcpp3 login: prompt, then I turn it off and restart and I can get my gui back. HOw do I get rid of this black screen with the prompt?
[09:18] <yogarine> kkathman: just a dsl modem
[09:18] <kkathman> yogarine: well I mean attached to the internet
[09:18] <yogarine> yeah
[09:19] <kkathman> !tell yogarine about adsl
[09:19] <kkathman> yogarine: check your PM
[09:20] <yogarine> thanks a million
[09:20] <kkathman> np
[09:20] <hussam> kkathman: Hey :)
[09:21] <kkathman> what's shakin hussam??
[09:22] <yogarine> kkathman: I did that allready, the problem is it wont connect on boot and 'pon dsl-provider' wont work either
[09:22] <hussam> kkathman: nothing, I'm just bothered by today's Kdebase update for breezy
[09:22] <kkathman> yogarine: hmmmm dunno then...must be a service thats not starting
[09:22] <kkathman> hussam: whats going on?
[09:23] <yogarine> bummer :(
[09:23] <yogarine> isnt there some program like the network connection manager in Fedora?
[09:24] <kkathman> yogarine: did you try the system settings, network settings?
[09:24] <hussam> kkathman: media:/ is empty again and the desktop freezes after a CD-rom is automounted. 
[09:24] <yogarine> kkathman: yup, but you can set up PPPoE there
[09:25] <kkathman> hussam: odd...I had an anomaly on my system... for some reason one of the winshares in Samba was reporting files that I had deleted, and files that were there, it said were not
[09:26] <kkathman> yogarine: yeah ... I only remember one place to set up that PPPoE and thats during the setup...but Im sure theres a way
[09:26] <hussam> kkathman: so that status of the shared files is not refreshed?
[09:27] <kkathman> hussam: well for some reason, no
[09:27] <kkathman> I populated some files on my winbox, came over to Linux and copied them.. Then I went back to my winbox and removed them
[09:28] <kkathman> then I added a few more on the winbox...came back
[09:28] <kkathman> when I brought the share up, files that I deleted on the winbox, showed up on the share, and files that I just added showed up, but none were available
[09:29] <kkathman> very odd
[09:29] <drom1n4d0> need help
[09:29] <drom1n4d0> configure printer in kubuntu?
[09:29] <kkathman> but because they are shares, hussam, and they are mounted as media devices, wondered if that might be the same issue you are having
[09:30] <danl_B> how do i get libxext-dev to install in kubuntu. It says it requires a different version of libxext which i can't get to install
[09:30] <drom1n4d0> somebody help me please
[09:30] <hussam> kkathman: did that start hapening after today's kdebase updates for breezy?
[09:31] <kkathman> drom1n4d0: go to the Kmenu and under Utilities choose the Printer Manager
[09:31] <kkathman> hussam: perhaps yes....at least its the first time its done it
[09:31] <kkathman> hussam: but my devices are not deleted
[09:32] <kkathman> and they mount fine on boot
[09:32] <drom1n4d0> and more
[09:32] <hussam> kkathman: that could be it then. I'm not sure though.
[09:33] <kkathman> hussam: Im going to go delete them on my winbox and see what happens now
[09:33] <hussam> kkathman:ok
[09:33] <kkathman> hussam: yep its not refreshing
[09:35] <satafterh> is there a quick way to downgrade?
[09:35] <hussam> kkathman: the share mounts as a network drive, right?
[09:41] <kkathman> hussam: yes
[09:41] <kkathman> NFS
[09:41] <kkathman> trouble is that I cant seem to force it to refresh either
[09:41] <kkathman> rebooting works
[09:42] <kkathman> hussam: I even tried to recreate the link on my desktop, and it didnt refresh
[09:45] <getaceres> hi
[09:47] <getaceres> is anyone using kopete from the KDE 3.5 beta 2?
[09:47] <Tm_T> nope
[09:49] <kkathman> Tm_T:  I found my first serious prob
[09:49] <Tm_T> ?
[09:50] <kkathman> Tm_T:  Samba shares arent updating
[09:50] <xxenon> anything special to do to get mp3 support in Xine (Breezy) ?
[09:50] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:50] <kkathman> Tm_T: had files on my winbox, which i have as a samba share on my linux box. Deleted files on the winbox...they still show up on the samba share
[09:51] <Tm_T> ok
[09:51] <Tm_T> never used samba myself
[09:51] <kkathman> Tm_T:  you know of a way to "refresh" ??
[09:51] <jjesse> what is the difference between the server version that just came across the announce list and if i type server in at the install prompt of a kubuntu install?
[09:51] <kkathman> other than booting 
[09:52] <el-stupido> if a file is read only? How do I set it to Write?
[09:54] <AnArKY87> hi
[09:54] <kkathman> el-stupido: you should read up on chmod and chown, and file permissions
[09:54] <AnArKY87> any users use kde 3.5 on kubuntu??
[09:54] <el-stupido> i was wondering if there was a graphical way of doing this
[09:55] <getaceres> AnArKY87: Yes
[09:55] <kkathman> el-stupido: yes there is
[09:56] <el-stupido> kkathman: ?
[09:56] <el-stupido> kkathman: note that i am not owner of file
[09:56] <AnArKY87> getaceres, how to install??
[09:56] <kkathman> el-stupido: use Konqueror, navigate to the file, then right click, properties and set the permissions...but you must have that right
[09:57] <getaceres> look at www.kubuntu.org
[09:57] <MikeStyle> Hey guys, i downloaded KXDocker and installed the .deb package but im not sure where KXDocker is!
[09:57] <getaceres> add the repositories in the announce page and do a dist-upgrade
[09:57] <kkathman> MikeStyle: Konsole...do a whereis
[09:57] <MikeStyle> kkathman
[09:57] <AnArKY87> ok getaceres 
[09:57] <MikeStyle> how?
[09:57] <kkathman> MikeStyle: I.e. whereis KXDocker
[09:57] <hussam> kkathman: I gotta go now, tell me later if you get your problem solved.
[09:58] <AnArKY87> getaceres, but kde 3.5 is more unstable??
[09:58] <kkathman> hussam: okie dokie cya later
[09:58] <MikeStyle> kkathman, mike@ubuntu:~ $ wheris kxdocker
[09:58] <MikeStyle> bash: wheris: command not found
[09:58] <kkathman> MikeStyle: whereis
[09:58] <MikeStyle> mike@ubuntu:~ $ whereis kxdocker
[09:58] <MikeStyle> kxdocker
[09:58] <MikeStyle> thats all i got
[09:58] <kkathman> ?
[09:59] <kkathman> MikeStyle: Did you apt-get it?
[09:59] <kkathman> or dkpg
[09:59] <kkathman> oops dpkg
[09:59] <MikeStyle> kkathman, i dpkg it
[10:00] <kkathman> hmm should work...you can try looking for it in /usr/bin
[10:00] <MikeStyle> sudo dpkg -i kxdocker_0.32-1_i386.deb
[10:00] <getaceres> MikeStyle: Just press alt+f2 and write kxdocker
[10:00] <getaceres> you can do it in the console too
[10:00] <asraniel> i wonder if i REALY have to recompile the kernel to make my laptop work... hmmm
[10:00] <kkathman> yah that will do it too
[10:00] <MikeStyle> getaceres, mike@ubuntu:~ $ kxdocker
[10:00] <MikeStyle> bash: kxdocker: command not found
[10:01] <kkathman> hmmm it didnt get installed then
[10:01] <MikeStyle> or maybe kxdocker isnt the command for the program
[10:01] <getaceres> did you get an error while installing?
[10:01] <MikeStyle> no
[10:01] <getaceres> anyway, execute kappfinder and click on search, maybe it may find it
[10:01] <danl_B> how do you successfully install moodin for kde splash screen?
[10:02] <getaceres> danl_B: I compiled it, I haven't found a (k)ubuntu package yet
[10:03] <MikeStyle> kxdocker is not in /usr/bin
[10:03] <getaceres> MikeStyle: have you tried with kappfinder?
[10:04] <danl_B> i can't compile it
[10:04] <MikeStyle> kappfinder just found me a bunch of non-KDE apps
[10:04] <danl_B> i get an error saying missing x includes
[10:05] <MikeStyle> ..
[10:05] <getaceres> MikeStyle: are you using breezy?
[10:05] <MikeStyle> yes
[10:06] <el-stupido> frank23: Finally got it Running!! WoooHooo!!
[10:06] <asraniel> is there somewhere a ultimativ laptop guide?
[10:06] <AnArKY87> getaceres, what is this error??
[10:06] <AnArKY87> W: GPG error: http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu breezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088
[10:06] <AnArKY87> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[10:06] <getaceres> then just type "apt-get install kxdocker kxdocker-data" it should install kxdocker 0.35
[10:06] <danl_B> n/m, i think i found a kubuntu package at kde-look
[10:07] <MikeStyle> getaceres: mike@ubuntu:~ $ apt-get install kxdocker kxdocker-data
[10:07] <MikeStyle> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[10:07] <MikeStyle> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[10:07] <getaceres> MikeStyle: sorry, type sudo before the command
[10:07] <MikeStyle> k
[10:08] <MikeStyle> kxdocker is already the newest version.
[10:08] <MikeStyle> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[10:08] <MikeStyle>   kxdocker-data
[10:08] <MikeStyle> is this good?
[10:08] <getaceres> MikeStyle: try it
[10:08] <MikeStyle> getaceres, kxdocker-data is now installed
[10:08] <MikeStyle> now what?
[10:09] <getaceres> type kxdocker?
[10:09] <kkathman> MikeStyle: might need to do sudo
[10:09] <MikeStyle> mike@ubuntu:~ $ kxdocker
[10:09] <MikeStyle> bash: kxdocker: command not found
[10:09] <getaceres> I'm installing it now to see what happens
[10:09] <el-stupido> If a drive (having windows) is mounted how do I browse it?
[10:09] <kkathman> MikeStyle: put a sudo in front of that command
[10:10] <getaceres> I don't like kxdocker much, but I'll see if I can make it work
[10:10] <el-stupido> ok got it
[10:10] <el-stupido> sorry lol
[10:10] <MikeStyle> mike@ubuntu:~ $ sudo kxdocker
[10:10] <MikeStyle> sudo: kxdocker: command not found
[10:11] <getaceres> AnArKY87: It's a loooong story, but in short, they are not fatal errors and you can install packages normally. It will only warn you that packages installed from these repositories are not signed
[10:12] <AnArKY87> ok I understand
[10:13] <getaceres> it works for me just typing kxdocker
[10:13] <MikeStyle> getaceres...when i install stuff i always have trouble. like my sources.list file was messed when i upgraded...so now like it always gives me errors: kde-headers not installed. then i try to install stuff and i get "to install, this needs this package, but it will not be installed"
[10:13] <getaceres> open synaptic and search kxdocker
[10:14] <MikeStyle> getaceres, they are both installed says synaptic
[10:15] <el-stupido> Ok.. I am trying to overwrite a file with a file from my Windows drive and it says "Unable to change permissions" 
[10:15] <getaceres> what version do you see in kxdocker?
[10:15] <MikeStyle> getaceres, but i get a wierd version of installed...like  200059959321-1
[10:15] <MikeStyle> and data is version 0.12-1
[10:15] <el-stupido> tho I did use sudo chmod a+w
[10:16] <getaceres> well, select kxdocker and then go to package->force version...
[10:16] <getaceres> and select breezy version
[10:16] <getaceres> it might warn you, simply accept it
[10:17] <MikeStyle> getaceres, doing that
[10:17] <MikeStyle> getaceres, done
[10:17] <MikeStyle> now what
[10:17] <getaceres> apply changes
[10:17] <MikeStyle> did
[10:17] <getaceres> did it install or did you get errors?
[10:17] <MikeStyle> getaceres, ok it works now, thanks
[10:22] <mars> Hi
[10:22] <kkathman> hey Mars
[10:22] <mars> I have a little problem with window deco crystal GL
[10:22] <mars> I mean it doesent work :)
[10:23] <kkathman> gee I wish apokryphos or Riddell would stop by :)
[10:23] <Riddell> hmm?
[10:23] <kkathman> Hey Riddell :)
[10:24] <kkathman> Got a samba share issue that I think was a direct result of an update today :(
[10:24] <mars> I downloaded deb and installed it but now when i go to win deco and chose this one nothing happens. In hoary it worked but when i turned to brezzy it doesent :/
[10:24] <mars> I have qt
[10:25] <Riddell> mars: it probably wasn't compiled for gcc 4
[10:25] <mars> you mean what schould i do?
[10:25] <Riddell> recompile it
[10:25] <_vincent> Hi, I just installed kubuntu, and my usb key is not automounted when I insert it ???
[10:25] <kkathman> Riddell: Any ideas on the samba share issue I mentioned... shares arent updating ...is there a way to refresh a samba share manually?
[10:26] <mars> Riddell: I installed this style few times and it still doesent work
[10:26] <mars> window deco i mean
[10:27] <getaceres> does anybody know how can I change my password in freenode?
[10:28] <Riddell> kkathman: F5?
[10:28] <satafterh> any one know what Qt is?
[10:28] <Riddell> _vincent: you need the kdebase update from breezy-updates
[10:28] <Riddell> satafterh: a programming library for GUIs
[10:29] <satafterh> what do i need to install to have it
[10:29] <Riddell> satafterh: libqt3-mt
[10:29] <kkathman> ok thats weird, now its ok...wonder if that refresh is timed or something??
[10:29] <_vincent> Riddell I did not hace kdebase at all
[10:30] <satafterh> thanks
[10:30] <Riddell> _vincent: no that's fine, it's the parts of kdebase that are the important bit
[10:32] <bubblenut> hey
[10:32] <bubblenut> How do Install .deb packages?
[10:33] <kkathman> bubblenut: use dpkg -i
[10:33] <kkathman> bubblenut: For instance:   dpkg -i foo.deb
[10:34] <stupendo44> bubblenut: if you have breezy, you can right-click and select Kubuntu Package menu, and Install Package
[10:34] <bubblenut> brilliant, thanks :)
[10:34] <bubblenut> I have breezy but it doesn't seem to give me the option to install
[10:35] <kkathman> well there ya go...now you have 2 ways :)
[10:35] <_vincent> Ridell I think I have what you mentionned
[10:42] <el-stupido> where can I configure NVidia settings?
[10:43] <_asraniel> i can see 2 network interfaces in kde, a wireless one and a normal one, but i cant activate any of them. its a centrino laptop
[10:44] <MikeStyle> hey guys, i got KXDocker working...but when i try to configure it like adding applications it doesnt work...it removes them im just not sure on how to add them
[10:44] <kevman> Can some direct me to a sources.list with universe, and multiverse? I think i screwed mine up...
[10:44] <frank23> !tell kevman about sources
[10:45] <frank23> el-stupido: install nvidia-settings then run nvidia-settings
[10:45] <kevman> ubotu, help
[10:45] <kevman> Oh, I didn't see the msg..
[10:46] <MikeStyle> anyone..
[10:47] <kkathman> kevman: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[10:47] <kkathman> that has an example of the repos
[10:48] <kkathman> hey frank23 wassup today?
[10:49] <el-stupido> thankyou
[10:50] <kevman> I must have been missing a repo. I couldn't get j2re
[10:53] <frank23> kkathman: I'm trying this kompile thing I found at kde-look
[10:57] <NeedHelp> Hi, i need help. I installed kubuntu, i used adept for a wile, than a friend of mine sayed me to allow the "full duplex" i did it and the sistem crashed,Now every time i install a program by adept, i install it, than i reboot my sistem and a windows appears: it says me "the manager of the services kde is not in execution". If i disinstall the program (EVERY PROGRAM!) it returns normal. What can i do to fix It?
[10:59] <kkathman> frank23: what thing is that?
[11:00] <kkathman> NeedHelp: If you uninstall what program?
[11:01] <kkathman> NeedHelp: And where and when does this message come up?
[11:03] <NeedHelp> kkathman: if i uninstall the progtam thath i have installed frist of the reboot, every program
[11:03] <NeedHelp> kkathman: it comes up on the desktop, when is restoring
[11:05] <mvv> i just installed 5.10, but i can't find any disks in media:/, also i can't change the directorynames in /media
[11:06] <slow-motion_> n8
[11:06] <spiral> 'bye
[11:12] <NeedHelp> How to overwrite the "sources.list" thath is in my desktop, with an old "sources.list" thath is in /etc/apt ?
[11:16] <nalioth> NeedHelp: use a text editor
[11:19] <NeedHelp> nalioth: it says i haven't the permission
[11:20] <nalioth> NeedHelp: use kdesu to start your text editor
[11:20] <NeedHelp> wath^
[11:20] <NeedHelp> ??
[11:20] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[11:27] <castlerock> hi all
[11:27] <castlerock> is there a setting so that there is not an ugly black/white/gray background when X.org starts up?
[11:28] <Blissex> castlerock: the ''trellis'' background? It is a sacred symbol :-)
[11:29] <PupenoL> Hello.
[11:29] <raphink> hi PupenoL 
[11:29] <PupenoL> How much time does it take to install kubuntu (in a modern machine) ?
[11:29] <castlerock> Blissex > well then call be a dissenter ;-)
[11:29] <castlerock> Blissex > i mean ME
[11:29] <PupenoL> half an hour ? more ?
[11:30] <raphink> depends 
[11:30] <frank23> is anyone here using klik?
[11:30] <Blissex> castlerock: it cannot be easily changed, but it can easily overriden with say 'xsetroot -solid grey40'
[11:30] <raphink> tried it quite a bit frank23 
[11:30] <PupenoL> raphink: 52x cd... ide hd.
[11:30] <frank23> raphink: is it good?
[11:30] <PupenoL> raphink: on what else does it depend ?
[11:30] <raphink> frank23: lots of problems
[11:30] <Blissex> PupenoL: as <raphink> says, it depends, e.g. on much you install. Half an hour can be a good time.
[11:30] <frank23> raphink: like what?
[11:31] <kkathman> hey raphink good to see you again :)
[11:31] <raphink> frank23: like packages not working
[11:31] <PupenoL> Blissex: afaik, you don't select how much you install, am I wrong ?
[11:31] <raphink> but it won't ever screw up your install
[11:31] <raphink> so you can use it
[11:31] <raphink> if you want to see how it looks and report bugs :)
[11:31] <castlerock> Blissex > could you use X -br?
[11:31] <Blissex> castlerock: and you can put the background change in say '~/.xinitrc' so you need never actually see the sacred symbol
[11:33] <bobbyd> hi
[11:33] <Blissex> castlerock: you can use it, same as 'xsetroot -solid black'
[11:33] <raphink> hi bobbyd 
[11:33] <castlerock> Blissex > thanks
[11:33] <strike4ce> I put the beta source list in the repository and now I cant open apt get?
[11:34] <strike4ce> shows an error
[11:34] <castlerock> Blissex > so I can add it where in the .xinitrc file?
[11:34] <raphink> what error strike4ce ?
[11:34] <strike4ce> raphink: jus sex
[11:34] <raphink> no thanks
[11:34] <raphink> :p
[11:34] <raphink> not with strangers
[11:35] <bobbyd> super user mode in network settings doesn't work for me in my fresh breezy install. It also didn't work in hoary. When I click the administrator mode button, the Routes tab is greyed out.
[11:35] <bobbyd> Ihave to get the default gateway by hand each time I boot. how should I fix that?
[11:35] <raphink> yep bobbyd 
[11:35] <raphink> bobbyd: kdesu kcontrol
[11:35] <raphink> then it should work
[11:35] <Blissex> castlerock: yes, that allows you to change it to _any_ color; you can also use 'xsetbg' for example to change it to any other texture.
[11:36] <Blissex> castlerock: note that if you log in via a DM you should also look at '~/.xsession'.
[11:36] <_skiy> He folks, can I update to breezy from hoary
[11:36] <_skiy> or do I need to download the hoary CD ?
[11:36] <Blissex> castlerock: they get executed so quickly that I never see the trelling background.
[11:36] <raphink> bobbyd: then choose sarge, taht's the closest 
[11:36] <Blissex> _skiy: both.
[11:36] <raphink> you can do both _skiy 
[11:37] <raphink> well either rather
[11:37] <bobbyd> raphink, huh?
[11:37] <Blissex> _skiy: there is a specific page on the Ubuntu Wiki that describes how to do either.
[11:37] <bobbyd> raphink, it still doesn't work, it's still greyed out on the routes tab
[11:37] <raphink> what did you do bobbyd ?
[11:37] <strike4ce> raphink: LOL sorry typo just noticied
[11:37] <raphink> did you launch `kdesu kcontrol' ?
[11:37] <_skiy> Blissex: i shall check that out
[11:37] <_skiy> thanks
[11:38] <bobbyd> raphink, kdesu kcontrol does nothing
[11:38] <castlerock> Blissex: Ok, I see these files, but where in them should I add the xsetroot -solid black?
[11:38] <strike4ce> raphink: it says to do apt-setup apt-get update
[11:38] <raphink> bobbyd: did you close kcontrol before doing that?
[11:38] <bobbyd> raphink, yes
[11:38] <frank23> raphink: where are klik apps installed? is everything installed as a user?
[11:38] <bobbyd> raphink, kcontrol on it's own works, kdesu kcontrol does nothing
[11:39] <raphink> frank23: klik apps can be launched from KDE Menu -> Applications (installted by Klik)
[11:39] <Blissex> castlerock: they are shell scripts. List of commands that are executed one after another. So I would say it should be the first command in the file.
[11:39] <bobbyd> and another thing, where has kcalc gone?
[11:39] <raphink> bobbyd: where did you launch kdesu from?
[11:39] <Blissex> castlerock: note that if the first line begins with a "#" leave it as the first line.
[11:39] <bobbyd> raphink, a console?
[11:40] <raphink> bobbyd: that's what you did?
[11:40] <raphink> froma  console?
[11:40] <bobbyd> raphink, huh, it's working now
[11:40] <raphink> ok
[11:40] <raphink> be aware that all the settings are for root when you do that bobbyd 
[11:40] <bobbyd> raphink, that was random, it must have been that I ran it previously from a console without kdesu
[11:40] <Blissex> _skiy: there are some links in the second half of http://kubuntu.org/announcements/breezy-release.php
[11:40] <bobbyd> raphink, yeah, I guessed that, but thanks though
[11:41] <raphink> bobbyd: to set your network
[11:41] <raphink> you might aswell use xnetcardconfig
[11:41] <raphink> which is apart from kde
[11:41] <Blissex> _skiy: if you can, download/get the full CD, which you can keep around if you need to reinstall, and then upgrade from it. The also upgrade online for packages updated after the CD was imaged.
[11:41] <asraniel> hei, im quite happy with my laptop, everything seems to work (ok, perhaps no apci...) execot wireless. in the kde network settings i can see the wireless card, but i cant activate it.. any ideas?
[11:42] <strike4ce> raphink: how do i save the repository after i made changes in terminal directly?
[11:42] <Blissex> in any case a full upgrade upgrades almost all packages, so one ends up downloading almost the full CD.
[11:42] <_skiy> asraniel: what kind of wireless card do you have?
[11:42] <asraniel> hmm.. i have a centrino laptop, very new, i'll check it
[11:42] <frank23> raphink: at the very least, klick seems a nice way to try new apps
[11:42] <raphink> sure frank23 when it works
[11:42] <raphink> strike4ce: what did you edit with?
[11:43] <os2mac> ahhh nothing like wireless internet, a good cigar and a kegerator....
[11:43] <strike4ce> straight thru terminal using apt-setup and edit repository
[11:43] <raphink> never used apt-setup
[11:43] <frahi> which tools are responsable for spinning down the harddisc? this morning it spins down after 1 sec of inactivity, but now it just runs continously
[11:43] <os2mac> anyone about?
[11:44] <asraniel> skiy; should be that : Integrated Intel PRO/Wireless 2915ABG (802.11 a/b/g tri-mode) 
[11:44] <raphink> strike4ce: I guess apt-setup changes your sources
[11:44] <raphink> and then you only need to apt-get update
[11:44] <raphink> no?
[11:44] <Blissex> frahi: dozens and dozen unfortunately. Look if you got 'acpid' running
[11:45] <bobbyd> raphink, it just forgets the default gateway I added when i look again, and there's no entry when I use route fro mthe command line. Is this a known bug?
[11:45] <_skiy> asraniel: Is your laptop on this page: http://rfswitch.sourceforge.net/?page=laptop_matrix
[11:46] <raphink> bobbyd: I had to setup my connection manually lately
[11:46] <raphink> ;)
[11:46] <_skiy> asraniel: if not, ndiswrapper (ew..) is your best bet
[11:46] <raphink> so I had pbs with network too
[11:46] <raphink> I just set /etc/network/interfaces manually
[11:46] <frahi> Blissex: yes it is running, but this is reasponsable for mapping acpi events to scripts but not for controlling hd, is it?
[11:46] <StR> Hi all!
[11:46] <kkathman> _skiy: try this site for upgrading btw:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[11:47] <asraniel> _skiy: not realy, i have a travelmate 8103, but on this page its only up to 6000. but i found a tutorial that tells me i have to recompile the kernel, with ipw2000 activated for wireless
[11:48] <strike4ce> I keep getting this error in terminal:  E: Type '*' is not known on line 4 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:48] <Blissex> frahi: uh, controlling hd perhaps relates to power settings :-).
[11:49] <Blissex> frahi: the HD either goes to sleep automatically (look at option '-S' in 'man hdparm') or it can be explicitly set to sleep/standby (other option in 'man hdparm).
[11:49] <_skiy> asraniel: Is the spec of your 8103 much different to the 6000 ?
[11:50] <_skiy> If not, then probably the centrino is the same?
[11:50] <Blissex> frahi: who sets the automatic sleep period and/or sets the disk to sleep explicitly using 'hdparm'? Well, the boot scripts, and odds are that 'acpid' has a part in it.
[11:50] <jaypeee> anyone compile xine-lib 1.1.0 ?
[11:50] <_skiy> Folks, I have replaced all occurences of "hoary" to "breezy" in my sources.list
[11:50] <_skiy> I assume this is sufficient for updating to breezy. please correct me if I am wrong.
[11:50] <asraniel> _skiy: i have never seen the spec for the 6000, but ive heard that it should be similar. both are centrinos  i think (at least mine is)
[11:50] <Blissex> _skiy: I'd rather suggest the upgrade from CD as I said...
[11:51] <_skiy> Blissex: OK, I will BT it over night
[11:51] <jaypeee> i was wondering if could just do default ./configure or do i have to ./configure --prefix=/usr for xine-lib 1.1.0
[11:51] <Blissex> _skiy: because a full upgrade is a few hundred MB regardless, and it is going to be much slower than BT'ing the image.
[11:53] <troth> this is kind of a windows question but not really, pls help........k my primary drive is my windows drive(hda1,C:\) 10G, i have breezy on the slave 250G, i just ordered another 250G last night and i want to do a complete copy of the primary drive, to keep it exactly how it is. is there a program to do it?
[11:53] <Blissex> _skiy: and while you are upgrading it is not good to use the system, but while you are BT'ing it is safer.
[11:53] <_skiy> kk, thanks Blissex and asraniel good luck with your centrino
[11:53] <_skiy> Blissex: Good thinking
[11:53] <_skiy> G'nite all
[11:53] <Blissex> troth: several, including 'cp'/'dd'.
[11:54] <Blissex> troth: what you can do is actually a very evil thing, if you are a bit geeky.
[11:54] <troth> Blissex, that will copy EVERYTHING, hidden files etc., i want to copy and just pop the new one in
[11:54] <Blissex> troth: yes, it just copies the disk.
[11:54] <troth> ok, good
[11:55] <troth> whats so evil about it?
[11:55] <Blissex> troth: note that copy and pop the new one is not going to have everything working, including MS Windows. You will have to take some special precautions before and after.
[11:55] <Blissex> troth: well, what would be evil is a technique to raise the chances that MS Windows will continue to ''just work''.
[11:56] <Blissex> troth: BTW, you might want to download UltimateBootCD.com, which has a lot of partition/copy utilities.
[11:57] <troth> ok
[11:57] <strike4ce> how do I edit the sourcelist?
[11:57] <Blissex> strike4ce: carefully.
[11:57] <raphink> lol
[11:58] <strike4ce> Blissex: what is the command?
[11:58] <Blissex> strike4ce: any text editor will do, like 'kate', which is in the menu.
[11:58] <strike4ce> Blissex: How do i get to it
[11:59] <troth> Blissex: im not understanding your underlying explaination, do i want to raise the chances it works, of course, but you are being very vague about 'evil' :)
[11:59] <raphink> strike4ce: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources/list
[11:59] <raphink> strike4ce: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:00] <strike4ce> raphink: after that how do I save?
[12:01] <raphink> ^x to quit
[12:01] <raphink> then `y' to save
[12:01] <raphink> when it asks you
[12:01] <raphink> on the bottom of the console
[12:01] <Blissex> troth: the problem is also that you are clear as to what you want to achieve.
[12:02] <Blissex> troth: after you have done what you want to do, how will your system look like and behave?
[12:02] <raphink> like windows
[12:02] <raphink> lol
[12:02] <troth> exactly as it is now, so i dont have to re download programs, drivers, music, my whole primary drive
[12:02] <strike4ce> raphink: I type that in terminal window?
[12:02] <raphink> sure strike4ce 
[12:03] <Blissex> troth: you really need to learn to be more explicit...
[12:03] <raphink> strike4ce: if you prefer to run a gui
[12:03] <raphink> you can type