[03:35] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarksUbuntuBook
[04:16] <jsgotangco> hey all
[04:16] <ajmitch> hi jsgotangco 
[04:25] <jsgotangco> forking?
[04:25] <jsgotangco> sean on crack
[08:12] <jsgotangco> hello rob^lt 
[08:12] <rob^lt> hi jsgotangco 
[08:13] <rob^lt> intresting day on the mailing list :)
[08:14] <jsgotangco> oh you always need a sean to stir up the natives heh
[08:15] <rob^lt> heh yeah
[08:16] <jsgotangco> jonathan has a valid point though, he's the only guy who was left during breezy 
[08:16] <jsgotangco> so i promised jonathan i would install kubuntu after release and do it again
[08:17] <rob^lt> kubuntu wise yeah
[08:17] <rob^lt> well, it will be an intresting meeting, hopefully sean will be there :)
[08:18] <jsgotangco> im inrested to hear out on the other people as well who expressed great interest in reviving traffic
[08:18] <rob^lt> yes me too
[08:18] <jsgotangco> altough its not really a documentation thing, it was interesting to know that the idea sprang up as a doc issue
[08:19] <rob^lt> well if its going to happen again most likely it will be by us
[08:20] <jsgotangco> we'll see, when people have nothing to write, things like this happen :-)
[08:21] <rob^lt> heh
[09:02] <Madpilot> hmmm... why do Stephan Hermann's blog posts always seem to re-appear on planet.u.c days after they first appeared?
[09:04] <jsgotangco> oh jdub says its on \sh's rss not on planet itself
[09:04] <robitaille> maybe he is playing with the setup of his blog server.  just complain to him when he gets up; should be soon :)
[09:05] <Madpilot> it's especially noticable because he usually does a bunch of posts at once, then the whole chunk reappears again...
[09:05] <jsgotangco> Keybuk's blog entries are few and far in between but they sure are nice
[09:06] <Madpilot> heh... Corey mentioned my Scribus stuff in his blog... lucky me ;)
[09:07] <rob^lt> it seems everyone but me has a blog these days
[09:07] <rob^lt> I used to have one but got sick of the spam bots
[09:07] <robitaille> just catching up on my blogs reading;  it's nice to see that Mako keeps himself very busy these days with these talks on short notice; I wish I was closer to Boston...
[09:07] <jsgotangco> you don't have to force youself on getting one :)
[09:08] <rob^lt> heh yeah
[09:08] <rob^lt> I kind of figured it was a bad idea for me anyway
[09:10] <jsgotangco> but the blog tools now have some authentication for blog spammers
[09:10] <rob^lt> hehe theres a new chicken toy that makes choking noises when you strangle it around the neck
[09:11] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:11] <jsgotangco> sometimes the spam is funny
[09:11] <jsgotangco> "what a wonderful and insightful blog"
[09:11] <rob^lt> I kept getting texas holdem poker bots
[09:13] <jsgotangco> rob^lt, what's your take on sean's suggestion
[09:14] <rob^lt> well I can see the benifits in what he is saying
[09:14] <rob^lt> ubuntu docs sometimes overshadow kubuntu docs
[09:14] <rob^lt> hmm my spelling sucks tonight
[09:15] <jsgotangco> i don't like working in different svns 
[09:15] <rob^lt> yes, I don't think that is a good idea though
[09:16] <rob^lt> hence my suggestion of a new svn layout
[09:16] <jsgotangco> a branch would probably be acceptable
[09:16] <rob^lt> we could have /ubuntu and /kubuntu directories
[09:17] <rob^lt> and share common things like licences in /common
[09:17] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:17] <rob^lt> having more then one svn is a stupid idea
[09:18] <jsgotangco> well i think sean is concerned on granting svn rights
[09:18] <rob^lt> jsgotangco, yeah but be careful its about a 200mb download due to all the upstream stuff thats in there
[09:18] <rob^lt> (or in other words unorganised crap)
[09:18] <jsgotangco> if the svn is elsewhere, he can easily add people on it
[09:19] <rob^lt> maybe, but why should he have control of it?
[09:19] <jsgotangco> yeah i was waiting for a jbailey cleanup but we'll know that this friday
[09:19] <jsgotangco> oh he's pretty good at it actually he's more than capable to handle a team really
[09:20] <rob^lt> although its hard to get new accounts with commit access, its probably a good thing as far as security and general wellbeing of svn is concerned
[09:20] <jsgotangco> yes
[09:21] <rob^lt> people can just send patches to the list, I think its a minor issue at the moment
[09:21] <jsgotangco> the current svn is also pretty much limiting to him...
[09:21] <jsgotangco> vendor drops, etc.
[09:22] <rob^lt> I don't seem to have a problem with it, and I have used it more then him in the last few months at least
[09:22] <jsgotangco> yes
[09:22] <jsgotangco> we don't really use more than 15% of what svn can do 
[09:22] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:23] <jsgotangco> our needs are simple and our focus should be content :)
[09:23] <rob^lt> yep
[09:23] <jsgotangco> technology and infrastructure are easy to discuss when we have content :)
[09:24] <jsgotangco> i think we have a good base with the starter guide :)
[09:24] <rob^lt> another reason why simply changing our directory structure is a better idea, nice and simple
[09:24] <rob^lt> yeah :)
[09:25] <rob^lt> despite a few bugs everyone I talk to loves it
[09:25] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:25] <rob^lt> it will go off when we unleash help.ubuntu.com
[09:25] <rob^lt> then people on IRC/wiki/forums can link to it
[09:27] <rob^lt> oh, I remember there being a pretty good userguide on the xfce website, I was thinking about asking to use it as a base for xubuntu docs
[09:27] <jsgotangco> have you seen the freebsd handbook
[09:27] <jsgotangco> now thats a very good book
[09:27] <rob^lt> I've read a little of it
[09:28] <rob^lt> I almost put freebsd on this laptop
[09:28] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:29] <jsgotangco> ok so i see myself doing kubuntu, improve the styleguide, an upstream doc and finish up on edubuntu
[09:29] <jsgotangco> not bad
[09:29] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:30] <rob^lt> keeping yourself busy :)
[09:31] <jsgotangco> oh the upstream doc is almost done, lots of time :)
[09:31] <rob^lt> well I plan on improving the ubuntu faq guide, doing the kubuntu faq guide depending on what happens there and also starting work on a xubuntu doc, maybe the userguide I mentioned before
[09:31] <jsgotangco> kubuntu has this nice app called katapult
[09:32] <jsgotangco> you do an alt + space and a translucent box appears and you can type the app you want
[09:32] <jsgotangco> have you checked the gnome user guide?
[09:32] <rob^lt> like a terminal?
[09:32] <jsgotangco> no its not a terminal
[09:32] <rob^lt> yeah, ubuntu has a panel applet that does that
[09:32] <rob^lt> or I should say gnome
[09:33] <jsgotangco> yeah but katapult is uber cool :)
[09:34] <rob^lt> heh
[09:35] <Madpilot> anyone want to have a look at the THREE php5 install pages we've got cluttering up the wiki? (given that php5 is now installable via repo in Breezy...)
[09:36] <rob^lt> gnome user guide? yeah I've thought about it
[09:54] <rob^lt> hmm, this could be bad: the faqguide on help.u.c doesn't have the licences attached
[09:54] <rob^lt> due to using xinclude
[09:55] <rob^lt> does anyone know if its using branch or trunk?
[10:02] <Burgundavia> bloody hell
[10:03] <jsgotangco> yes hell awaits
[10:03] <rob^> yep
[10:03] <Burgundavia> my bike just got stolen
[10:04] <rob^> that sucks
[10:04] <rob^> go run them over in your car :)
[10:04] <Burgundavia> don't have one
[10:04] <Burgundavia> the worst part is that it was off my friends porch
[10:04] <jsgotangco> sucks
[10:05] <jsgotangco> who's steal a bike?
[10:05] <Burgundavia> it was a half decent one
[10:06] <robitaille> victoria, city of bike crime. my wife lost a bike when it got stolen inside our house (it was inside the entrance lobby, and the door wasn't locked...).
[10:06] <jsgotangco> i live in the carjacking capital of the philippines
[10:07] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: you lost your bike?
[10:07] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, yep
[10:07] <Madpilot> crap
[10:07] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: you reported it? (not that that'll do much good, but...)
[10:08] <Burgundavia> I just got home, discovered it stolen less than 1/2 hour ago
[10:08] <Madpilot> the cops are up all night too
[10:08] <Burgundavia> ya, I will call in a sec
[10:09] <Madpilot> did you loose your lights and stuff as well?
[10:09] <Burgundavia> yes, that is crappy part
[10:09] <Madpilot> that expensive headlight?
[10:09] <Burgundavia> because I was at John&Lindas, I didn't remove it
[10:09] <Burgundavia> yep, the expensive one
[10:10] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: well, at least you're employed now...
[10:10] <Burgundavia> that is no consolation
[10:11] <Madpilot> it means having income to replace the bike with, at least
[10:13] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:13] <Burgundavia> but having it stolen is a major downer
[10:13] <Madpilot> yeah, that sucks
[10:13] <Burgundavia> I am going to call bike stores tomorrow
[10:14] <Burgundavia> I might get lucky
[10:14] <Madpilot> I've been lucky, being downtown a lot, I've only lost a few lights and stuff
[10:14] <rob^> does yours or your friends insurance cover it?
[10:14] <Burgundavia> rob^, there deductable is likely more than the bike is worth
[10:14] <Burgundavia> s/there/their
[10:14] <rob^> ouch
[10:15] <Burgundavia> well, replacement cost is about $700. Light system is about $100
[10:15] <Burgundavia> deductable is likely $500
[10:15] <rob^> not that it helps, but I saw this kind on a pimped out bicycle today, it had fire painted on it and everything
[10:15] <Madpilot> one minor consolation: end-of-model-year bike sales are probably starting soonish...
[10:15] <rob^> s/kind/kid
[10:16] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, yes
[10:17] <Madpilot> incredibly strange bike link: http://dclxvi.org/chunk/index.html
[10:17] <rob^> whatda?
[10:18] <rob^> people are weard
[10:18] <rob^> s/weard/weird
[10:18] <Madpilot> those people are insane, which is different to weird... :)
[10:19] <jsgotangco> lol
[10:19] <jsgotangco> this is like a rock band
[10:19] <jsgotangco> heheh
[10:19] <jsgotangco> see even spidey bikes
[10:20] <rob^> any ideas on how to get help.u.c links from http://help.ubuntu.com/faqguide/C/ch03s02.html#jre to help.ubuntu.com/faqguide/jre ?
[10:20] <Madpilot> my favourites, because they look so unridable: http://dclxvi.org/chunk/meet/long/index.html
[10:21] <jsgotangco> Plopulator Son Of Chopulator.
[10:24] <Madpilot> it is impossible to read this page through without laughing out loud: http://dclxvi.org/chunk/meet/multiwheel/index.html
[10:26] <jsgotangco> Poppa Chop.
[10:26] <jsgotangco> oh man
[10:26] <jsgotangco> The Gynecological Station.
[10:27] <jsgotangco>  It took Vog the Smeltor several nights without sleep to craft the Dog, the juggernaut of battle wagons. 
[10:27] <Madpilot> The Dog of War
[10:27] <Madpilot> with metal picnic tables for wheels
[10:27] <jsgotangco> no brakes
[10:27] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:28] <jsgotangco> This ride is all about comfort and convenience. Our bi/tri-cycle technology makes worrying about how far back that wheelie can be popped nothing but a sad memory. Moreover, it also nearly eliminates the need to steer. One need only point the helm towards one's objective, pop back, and relax.
[10:28] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, lets go next year when I go to OSCON
[10:29] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: sounds good, I'll loiter in Powell's and meet insane bike builers, and you can do geeky computer things
[10:29] <Madpilot> ;)
[10:29] <Madpilot> s/builers/builders
[10:39] <Burgundavia> well, I just spoke to the cops
[10:39] <Madpilot> hmm?
[10:39] <Burgundavia> got a police file number
[10:40] <Madpilot> well, that'll help w/ John's insurance, if they wind of filing, anyway
[10:41] <Madpilot> *wind up, that is... bleh
[10:41] <Burgundavia> ya, tomorrow morning comes the fun part, calling all the bike stores in town
[10:42] <jsgotangco> weeee
[10:43] <Madpilot> start with ChainChainChain - if they see it they'll call you - so will North Park, I think.
[10:43] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:44] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: the real fun part is the large number of bike stores in this city - it's popular here and we're well supplied with stores...
[10:45] <Burgundavia> the most bicycles and most bicycle thefts per-capita in Canada
[10:45] <Madpilot> lucky us
[10:45] <Madpilot> ;)
[10:46] <Madpilot> anyway, I need to get off the computer and crash out. Later, everyone.
[10:46] <jsgotangco> night
[11:07] <Burgundavia> night all, need to work tomorrow
[11:29] <WaterSevenUb> jbailey, if you need some input on http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18050 let me know...
[11:58] <rob^> hi mdke 
[11:59] <rob^> the licences are not showing up in the faq guide on help.u.c because of the xinclude
[02:09] <jbailey> WaterSevenUb: I probably will eventually.
[02:09] <jbailey> WaterSevenUb: It's not on my immediate priority list.
[02:10] <WaterSevenUb> jbailey, ok :) It woud be great if could be solved through breezy-updates. 
[02:10] <jbailey> Yeah.  I don't know if an upload for this will be approved or not.  Probably, I guess
[02:11] <WaterSevenUb> Sometimes is worse to see the translation in Brazilian than in pure English for some Portuguese people that are not familiar with Portuguese Brazilian terms... so I hope so.
[02:12] <WaterSevenUb> anyway, thx.
[02:24] <jsgotangco> jbailey: awake?
[02:25] <jbailey> jsgotangco: Maybe. =)
[02:25] <jbailey> How's it going?
[02:26] <jsgotangco> not much interesting thread on the list on the trunk structure what's your take?
[02:26] <jbailey> Haven't caught up on it yet.
[02:26] <jsgotangco> oh
[02:27] <jsgotangco> well its the time of the year where all of a sudden people who didn't write that much suddenly appear after a release and make suggestions so
[02:27] <jbailey> Right.
[02:27] <jbailey> And you think it's worth reading these? =)
[02:28] <jsgotangco> sure
[02:28] <jsgotangco> well i was expecting your reply at least since you said a while back you already have an idea how trunk be structured....
[02:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi ppl
[02:29] <jbailey> jsgotangco: Yeah.
[02:29] <jbailey> I'll dive in there a bit later today.
[02:29] <jsgotangco> Kamping_Kaiser: hi
[02:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:29] <jbailey> I had some catchup stuff to do on the support side the past couple days.
[02:31] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[02:40] <jjesse> morning
[02:40] <jjesse> jbailey:  its not worth reading all of it
[02:41] <jjesse> i think we should make the structure changes that were suggested early in the discussion
[02:43] <jsgotangco> morning jjesse 
[02:43] <jsgotangco> lol
[02:43] <jsgotangco> jjesse: where did kgpg go?
[02:47] <jjesse> morning jsgotangco 
[02:48] <jjesse> don't know i think there is a bug w/ it ?
[02:48] <jjesse> i remember some discussion on kubuntu-devel the other day
[02:48] <jjesse> Riddell: can you confirm?
[02:49] <Riddell> kgpg is in universe where its always been
[02:49] <Riddell> kmail was compiled without gpg support which has been fixed in -updates
[02:50] <jsgotangco> hrmmmm
[02:50] <jsgotangco> i thought kgpg was in main in hoary...
[02:50] <jsgotangco> oh well i'm beginning to like what im seeing now though...
[03:07] <jsgotangco> hey mgalvin 
[03:08] <mgalvin> hey jsgotangco
[03:08] <mgalvin> hows it going
[03:09] <jsgotangco> not bad interesting discussion on the list and you?
[03:10] <mgalvin> can't complain, been busy with life, finally getting some of my free time back, hopefully I can start contributing again
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> im not sure what i think about the split bit :| im trying to make up my mind
[03:13] <jjesse> don't want to split want to change the directory structure
[03:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> i asumed that this was for ubuntu and there was a kubuntu-doc as well, as i have seen a kubuntu and ubuntu irc chans, so i asumed it went the whole way through
[03:16] <jsgotangco> it shouldn't be that way for docs, kubuntu writers and ubuntu writers can examine code 
[03:17] <jsgotangco> the only reason why sean would like to fork and move to another server is that it would be easier to add more svn accounts...
[03:17] <jsgotangco> that's the most obvious
[03:18] <jjesse> like i said in one of the emails, he seems to come out only when he wants to change everything to his way and then leaves when it doesn't go his way
[03:18] <jsgotangco> plus the fact that our current svn is quite dated, some svn/docbook voodoo ain't possible
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. so is the problem with the layout? or the server having support for a limited number of users?
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> or other?\
[03:19] <jsgotangco> Kamping_Kaiser: the layout isn't a -problem, it can be easily structured accordingly
[03:19] <jjesse> limited access to who can create users and give access
[03:19] <jsgotangco> another svn won't answer that
[03:20] <jsgotangco> a distrbuted revision system will
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> right, im new to the concepts regarding how doco is done (more or less), so to me its all as good as any other bit
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> my experiance with doco is 'i write it, tehy use it, get feed back, change it, forget it'
[03:22] <jsgotangco> Kamping_Kaiser: yes in my opinion infrastructure talk only hampers....
[03:22] <jsgotangco> we've got an established system let's improve on it
[03:30] <jjesse> jsgotangco: i totatlly agee
[03:30] <jjesse> agree
[03:30] <jjesse> everyone always wants to change things drastically post release
[03:30] <jjesse> it happened post-hoary and now the discussion has started post-breezy
[03:40] <jgotangco> bleahhh
[03:40] <jgotangco> wtf my dsl died suddenly
[03:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> :( wb
[03:42] <jgotangco> where was i
[03:42] <jgotangco> oh yes
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> 'improve on it' ;)
[03:42] <jgotangco> right ok so...
[03:42] <jgotangco> the structure isn't the problem
[03:42] <jgotangco> the problem is people committing to write somethign then disappear midway
[03:43] <jgotangco> even if its a volunteer project at least saying "hey sorry, i can't continue, can someone continue my work, here's what i planned, good luck" sort of thing...
[03:43] <jgotangco> but nooooo
[03:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> :( oh, those sort of issues
[03:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> how much of the doc is in that position?
[03:45] <jgotangco> well at the moment, the trunk is full of useless stuff
[03:45] <jgotangco> that needs obvious cleanup
[03:46] <jgotangco> it got filled up because of upstream crap we have no use at the moment
[03:46] <jgotangco> its 200MB!
[03:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> svn? yeh, i know :|
[03:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> i downloaded it twice :S
[03:47] <jgotangco> it shouldnt be like that
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> i downloaded it, then i did something so i had to get it again ( i forget the details)
[03:47] <jgotangco> docbook is pretty simple really...
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> *fears*
[03:48] <jgotangco> i don't understand the fuss on the contributor barrier...
[03:48] <jjesse> it really is, you can follow what other people have done and then build the doc to see if it works
[03:48] <jgotangco> OOo 2 can do docbook, let the docteam clean up just in case....
[03:49] <jgotangco> but people who contribute in anyform is welcome
[03:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> im going to learn docbook, because i despise wysiwyg editing, but its still quite a mountain (learning docbook, then offering patches)
[03:50] <jgotangco> the toolchains for gnome and kde are a bit different on the presentation layer, but it shouldn't be an issue really...
[03:53] <jjesse> Kamping_Kaiser:  i just use kate as my editor to change the docs
[03:53] <jjesse> plus you can download the full version of the orilley guide that was written for docbook
[03:53] <jjesse> instead of forking over money for the book
[03:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> im going to end up using vim or gedit myself (depending where i am relative to computer), but an orilley sounds like a good idea
[03:54] <jgotangco> Kamping_Kaiser: use Bluefish if youre in gnome, it has docbook functionality
[03:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> if i want to play with stuff, should i do that on my svn repo? or make a file somewhere else and do it there?
[03:56] <jjesse> Kamping_Kaiser:  http://www.docbook.org/tdg5/en/
[03:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks jjesse
[03:56] <jjesse> np
[03:56] <jgotangco> Kamping_Kaiser: well you can play around with your working copy actually...you still don't have commit access yet so you won't mess up the svn trunk...
[03:57] <jgotangco> if it doesn't work with you, you can always revert to the lastest from the server...
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> and another question (sorry, i have plenty for another time ), should i officaly join the docteam?
[03:58] <jgotangco> Kamping_Kaiser: if its interesting enough for you, sure we need all the help we can get...
[03:59] <jgotangco> submit a patch and stuff we'll eventually get you an svn account for sure
[03:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> im not aiming at svn, its more a 'if i have to' atm ;)
[04:00] <jgotangco> Kamping_Kaiser: feel free to participate, we're an open group..eventually when you get the feel of it and it interests you, it'll be much easier to make the decision :)
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) it intrests me, its getting the hang of docbook+svn that will take time. but ill print out a bit of reading material+save a copy and se ehow i go
[04:02] <jgotangco> once we create specs for docs in a few weeks you'll have a clearer view on what you want to do...
[04:03] <jgotangco> as for now, assume its in flux
[04:04] <jgotangco> we have a good base doc atm so its natural to build upon it
[04:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> nice, im still putting off fileing a heap of bugs on the (ubuntu)faq, because its going to flood rob :( but ill do it later i suppose
[04:04] <jgotangco> Kamping_Kaiser: sure flood bugzilla whenever possible
[04:04] <jgotangco> we can't spot stuff by ourselves
[04:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. over the next few days your going to get hit by a wave from bugzilla :(
[04:05] <jgotangco> fun :)
[04:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh....
[04:06] <jgotangco> Kamping_Kaiser: don't limit yourself to Ubuntu/Kubuntu docs...
[04:06] <jgotangco> if you see errors in other documentation you see in Yelp for example, file it too
[04:06] <jgotangco> so we can tag it to upstream just in case
[04:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. i thought id be a bit systematic, so i have a ton of bugs against the faq. when i do them, ill look elseware ;)
[04:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> ill only be trying to offer doc for ubuntu (and maybe edubuntu) as i dont have any kubuntu paackages/machines
[04:08] <jgotangco> no problem
[04:08] <jgotangco> i'm going to fill up with kubuntu for dapper...
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool. if i find i have time (i have to get a real job soon, so time might get scarse, ill see) i will see about what i can do there, but it would only be reading for bugs in doc, not adding more
[04:09] <jjesse> me as well
[04:10] <jjesse> Kamping_Kaiser: if you find any bugs in the kubuntu docs in svn feel free to change them (typos, grammer problems, etc)
[04:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> why didnt that time out and reconnect :( oh well
[04:37] <jgotangco> ok good night going to sleep early
[04:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> night
[06:04] <Riddell> what's the subversion URL for checking out?
[06:05] <Riddell> the non-annonymous one
[06:13] <jjesse> you mean this?  https://docteam.ubuntu.com
[06:14] <jjesse> svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos
[06:44] <Riddell> jjesse: that's non anonymous?
[06:44] <Riddell> it doesn't ask for my password
[06:45] <jjesse> Riddell: i guess i don't know the difference
[06:45] <jjesse> when i try and commit the first time it asked for my password, and then it hasn't since
[06:45] <Riddell> clever
[06:46] <jjesse> is there a .svn or something that it saves in?
[07:42] <jjesse> Riddell: your commit worked btw saw it come across the commit mailing list
[07:44] <Riddell> cool, I'll merge stuff in, sorry for the delay
[07:44] <jjesse> Riddell: no worries i'm really busy at work today so i haven't gotten a chance to do more then just chat here
[09:52] <mdke> evenin
[09:53] <mdke> Madpilot, around?
[09:54] <Madpilot> hi mdke
[09:54] <mdke> ah cool
[09:55] <mdke> Madpilot, any thoughts on DraftWikiGuide?
[09:56] <Madpilot> mdke: looks pretty good - there should be a link to HelpOnEditing, though
[09:57] <mdke> well that is linked from HelpContents
[09:57] <mdke> but please add anything you think
[09:57] <mdke> i was hoping you would!
[09:57] <Madpilot> ah, so it is. 
[09:58] <Madpilot> I'm going to add the piece of code that UserDocumentation uses to float the ToC over to the right under the Useful Tricks category, then
[09:59] <mdke> okie dokie
[09:59] <mdke> feel free to add guidelines
[09:59] <mdke> i'm conscious the page hasn't had enough edits yet
[10:09] <Madpilot> mdke: made a couple of edits and additions to DraftWikiGuide
[10:11] <Madpilot> one problem is that "Editing This Wiki" is currently at the very bottom of the FrontPage; I'm inclined to move it right back up near the top, to right below the UserDocumentation section
[10:11] <Madpilot> thoughts?
[10:14] <jjesse> where did we leave this madnessa that was occuring on the mailing list in regards to kubuntu-docs?
[10:15] <Riddell> jjesse: kubuntu-docs should be merged now
[10:15] <jjesse> Riddell: thanks
[10:18] <mdke> Madpilot, lemme look
[10:24] <mdke> Madpilot, i think i would disagree actually
[10:24] <mdke> hmm
[10:24] <mdke> maybe
[10:25] <Madpilot> mdke: having "Editing This Wiki" right below "Searching This Wiki" and "Using This Wiki" made some sense to me, anyway
[10:25] <mdke> yeah fair enough
[10:25] <mdke> the important thing is that people can see the relevant section in UserDocumentation about how to contribute
[10:26] <mdke> Madpilot, so do you think DraftWikiGuide is ready for general release and linking around the wiki?
[10:27] <Madpilot> mdke: pretty much, yes
[10:27] <mdke> ok i'll rename it to WikiGuide
[10:28] <Madpilot> I guess we should move it first
[10:30] <mdke> done
[10:31] <mdke> geez the wiki is so slow nowadays
[10:31] <mdke> fingers crossed for the hardware upgrade
[10:33] <Madpilot> editing the FrontPage now
[10:35] <mdke> cool
[10:35] <mdke> (gone)
[10:43] <Madpilot> later, all - work...