[12:04] <koke> btw, the edubuntu installer has asked for my IP having DHCP, it's a feature?
[12:04] <ogra> yup
[12:05] <ogra> so you had a some 100MB big tarball with a separate release inside for the chroot
[12:05] <ogra> non upgradeable etc... all the drawbacks a monolithic chroot setup can have
[12:06] <ogra> what we do is to actually bootstrap a chroot 
[12:06] <ogra> so you use the same package base as the main system and are fully upgradeable
[12:06] <koke> but with a tarball it can be upgradeable too
[12:07] <ogra> all packages used in the chroot are original breezy pkg's with modifications of the defaults where necessary, but applying to the whole distro
[12:07] <ogra> sure it could..
[12:08] <ogra> but thats how we do it currently.. and a tarball would duplicate thepackages on CD and you'd loos the ability to just wipe the chroot and build it new without the CD
[12:09] <ogra> as it is now, you can just rebuild the chroot from archive.ubunut.com
[12:09] <ogra> *ubuntu
[12:09] <koke> no, I mean the tarball would contain a fresh chroot generated at cd build time (maybe)
[12:09] <koke> and could be regenerated
[12:09] <koke> it's just a matter of making installation faster
[12:10] <ogra> yes, but only if you have the tarball with the CD available
[12:10] <ogra> its a matter of reporting ... the progressbar doesnt work as you'll have noticed
[12:10] <ogra> if you can see whats going on its not that bad...
[12:10] <koke> mmm, I mean all the chroots generated in installations of same architecture should be identical
[12:11] <ogra> building the chroot takes exactly 9minutes
[12:11] <ogra> which other chroots do ou mean ? there is only one for the thin clients
[12:11] <koke> IMO the ubuntu installation is slow enough
[12:11] <koke> I have to try the live installer
[12:11] <ogra> there is no live installer yet
[12:12] <koke> live CD installers became popular because they cloned a disk in a few minutes
[12:12] <ogra> mdz and Kamion will develop it for dapper i think
[12:12] <koke> and ubuntu-express?
[12:12] <koke> is dead?
[12:12] <ogra> thats not even close to the spec
[12:12] <koke> I thought they were still working on it
[12:13] <ogra> they just started to build what they found appropriate... i'm not sure if it will ever enter ubuntu
[12:13] <ogra> they ignored the spe
[12:13] <ogra> c
[12:14] <ogra> there is gone a lot of money int bountys for stuff they dont use etc... but to be honest i have no clue about the current status 
[12:14] <koke> I thought they were working and reporting to ubuntu-devel
[12:14] <koke> and taking suggestions from there
[12:14] <ogra> heh, yes 5 mails during the whole release cycle...
[12:14] <ogra> probably 10 i didnt count exactly
[12:15] <ogra> but they neither worked with the ubuntu community nor did they follow the spec 
[12:15] <koke> and more, they are making the installer for Guadalinex, which is based on Ubuntu, so it wouldn't be logical to distance from u-d
[12:15] <ogra> tell that to them
[12:15] <ogra> the packages wouldnt even go through revu ... at least the alst time i looked at them
[12:16] <koke> the code was not very good too :)
[12:16] <ogra> yes
[12:16] <koke> I wanted to check the source and fix some things when I get some free time
[12:16] <ogra> but its mdz's call, no idea how he thinks about it
[12:17] <ogra> i'm so swamped with edubuntu that i dont have the time to look deeper into such projects... edubuntu breezy was a one man show...
[12:17] <ogra> but back on topic...
[12:18] <ogra> the edubuntu powerpc CD was at 699MB at the end... there wouldnt even been space for any tarball with a chroot :)
[12:19] <ogra> not to mention that we'll support multiarch ltsp next reease so it would have to be 3 tarballs :)
[12:19] <ogra> which would fill a whole CD on its own
[12:20] <koke> I can't imagine a 64 bits "thin" client ;P
[12:21] <ogra> i use one for tesing ;)
[12:21] <ogra> (my laptop is amd64)
[12:21] <koke> I meant in production, just kidding anyway :)
[12:21] <ogra> but you are right
[12:22] <ogra> the main demand is ppc clients on i386 servers or i386 clients on amd64 servers ...
[12:22] <ogra> and indeed the default i386 on i386 servers
[12:23] <ogra> surely amd64 as clinet is not common... but i met people using ltsp on amd64 clinents with local apps for HPC tasks...
[12:23] <ogra> and a big transparent cluster as server...
[12:24] <ogra> but thats rather enterprise level edubuntu has not to care about yet
[12:24] <koke> the cluster includes clients?
[12:24] <koke> I have wanted to try that for a long time
[12:24] <ogra> you have a transparent mosix or beowulf cluster and attach clients to it...
[12:25] <ogra> thast something i think about to automate for dapper+1
[12:25] <koke> great!
[12:25] <ogra> if you install a edubuntu ltsp it should ask if it should run standalone or join the cluster on install
[12:26] <ogra> the rest should be automated :)
[12:27] <ogra> the edubuntu instll may take long, but regarding that you dont have to edit more than one file post install, the feedback is great... 
[12:27] <ogra> k12 ltsp can take you days to set up
[12:28] <ogra> even if the install might be faster :)
[12:29] <koke> so edubuntu it's primarily focused to be installed as a terminal server?
[12:30] <ogra> ltsp is installed by default :)
[12:30] <ogra> see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes
[12:31] <Topslakr> anyone here every try to use a server 2003 DHCP server with edubuntu/ltsp
[12:31] <Topslakr> i have found a few docs about it, but nothing from the edubuntu or ltsp
[12:31] <ogra> why should we... edubuntu brings its own dedicated dhcp server
[12:32] <Topslakr> heh, cause :)
[12:32] <ogra> just make sure to have 2 NICs in the server...
[12:32] <Topslakr> I have an existing dhcp server thats working just didn't know if it had been tried
[12:32] <Topslakr> I don't have the 2 nic setup option, servers and clients aren't close and they need to share and existing network
[12:32] <ogra> the first one cna grab the IP from the 2003 server, the second serves the thin client setup
[12:33] <ogra> then yu have to tweak a lot...
[12:33] <Topslakr> hmm, some one in here told me it would be easy :) I
[12:33] <ogra> rip out the dhcp server from edubuntu and adjust the 2003 server to point to the edubuntu erver
[12:33] <koke> hmm, I should have typed workstation :(
[12:33] <Topslakr> I'm willing to use a linux DHCP server, but I can't dedicated a section of my network to edubuntu
[12:34] <koke> I ran out of battery at ~90% of creating chroot
[12:34] <ogra> koke, its not thats much stuff that gets installed along, dont worry
[12:34] <koke> I just wanted to test it and see how was it going :)
[12:35] <ogra> Topslakr, first see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes and the linked docs to understand how edubuntu is set up...
[12:36] <ogra> Topslakr, after that http://wiki.edubuntu.org/ThinClientHowto might have some hints howto use it with a external dhcp server... you need to rip out r deactivate the one in edubuntu indeed
[12:37] <ogra> Topslakr, the default setup is for pic 1 on http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiring
[12:38] <Topslakr> yeah, i saw that setup guide. Was very nicely done.
[12:38] <ogra> thanks :)
[12:38] <Topslakr> I'm going to have to keep on digging... thx again. I'll keep moving on
[12:39] <ogra> please report back if and how you got it running... we'll add it to the docs :=
[12:39] <ogra> :)
[12:39] <Topslakr> I'll keep notes :)
[12:39] <ogra> thanls a lot :-D
[03:48] <Topslakr> is it possible to force the removal of a pkg without it takeing off thngs that depend on it?
[04:51] <dabaR> Topslakr: do you have a specific package in mind?
[04:51] <dabaR> I mean, what is the package that you do not want to remove.
[04:52] <Topslakr> i want to keep the ltsp and edubuntu server but i want to drop dhcp
[04:52] <Topslakr> I'm trying a work around right now
[04:53] <dabaR> those are likely metapackages.
[04:56] <dabaR> edubuntu-server can safely be removed, most likely. What is the name of other packaeg exactly?
[04:59] <dabaR> ok, Topslakr, do you understand the concept of a metapackage?
[04:59] <dabaR> if you do not know, want to know, and have a sec for me to explain, let me know.
[05:00] <dabaR> btw, the other one is also likely a metapackage, most most likely.
[05:06] <Topslakr> I'd love to know what that means :) I'm trying an another solution at the moment but and explanation of meta-pkgs would be good
[05:10] <dabaR> well, here goes. It is a package, taht inside it contains a list of dependencies. Really, itself, it is nothing, but a list of packages that make up ltsp-server, and edubuntu-server. Why they are used, is so that you dont have to think what packages you want, but just get that, and it gets the common ones. So, edubuntu-desktop, is a list of dependencies that make up the edubuntu-desktop. Removing any package from that list using synapti
[05:11] <dabaR> So, if I was to remove just edubuntu-desktop, using aptitude, or synaptic, I would not lose one single functionality on my computer. I think that both of those are metapackages, because of their size, which ubotu told me.
[05:11] <dabaR> !ask the bot
[05:11] <dabaR> hey, you guys dont have ubotu.
[05:11] <dabaR> anyhow, ubotu is a bot on #ubuntu, which is where I am mostly, and there is a syntax to ask him about packages.
[05:12] <dabaR> what they are, what size, and where to find them(which repo/component of ubuntu)
[05:13] <dabaR> so, looking at those two packages, their size is too small for them to be really anything else than a metapackage - 36 and 88kB each, unpacked.
[05:13] <dabaR> 6 and 11kB packaged.
[05:14] <dabaR> I am not 100% sure they are metapackages howwever, but your chances are such. So what I am saying is that if you remove the two packages, nothing really is lost. It is just that dhcp-server(if that is what you are removing) is part of the common edubuntu-server setup, and ltsp-server setup.
[05:15] <dabaR> anyhow, I hope you read this, so that I have not typed for nothing:)
[05:15] <dabaR> let me know if something is unclear.
[05:21] <Topslakr> it makes
[05:21] <Topslakr> it makes good sense to me but what does the metapkg do?
[05:22] <dabaR> it has as a list of dependencies what is commonly known as the edubuntu server set, or so.
[05:22] <dabaR> get it?
[05:23] <Topslakr> yeah
[05:24] <Topslakr> so have u ever run this edubuntu term server using a server 2003 DHCP server?
[05:24] <dabaR> so, removing a package that is a list of packages, changes nothing...in other words.
[05:24] <Topslakr> makes sense dabaR, and i appreciate your time
[05:26] <dabaR> Oh, no doubt, I like wasting my time.
[05:26] <dabaR> on some purpose...
[05:26] <dabaR> spread the word:)))
[05:27] <Topslakr> haha
[05:28] <dabaR> No, I mean, you know, now all your friends can too:)
[05:29] <Topslakr> i c
[05:57] <DK1> Hi,  setup a Edubuntu sever and thinclient room, Booting using etherboot. I can connect to the LTSP display manager but when I log in  it just switches X straight back to the login manager, any help much appreciated
[06:12] <dabaR> DK1: no errrors?
[06:13] <DK1> dabaR > Got a few read only errors during the boot
[06:15] <dabaR> DK1: could be it. do you know exact errors? anything about /tmp by some chance?
[06:17] <DK1> dabaR > /ETC/RCs.D/s39IFUPDOWN line 77: /etc/network/run/ifstate read only
[06:17] <DK1> dabaR > Random Number generator fails
[06:18] <DK1> dabaR > Is there any log of the boot I can look at ?
[06:21] <DK1> dabaR > nothing about /tmp
[06:21] <dabaR> DK1: That I can not answer, so maybe someone else knows. I had errors like that that bring me back to the login screen, but, with an error dialog box first, and I would change the permissions to /tmp, and it would work. Im just a community member, though, most people that are here, when they are here, know moer, since they are developers.
[06:22] <DK1> dabaR > Thats cool, thanks for trying
[06:22] <dabaR> ya, sure.
[06:23] <Yagisan> DK1: Where are the errors - client or server ?
[06:23] <dabaR> Yagisan: well, the client logs in, and then logs out>back to gdm again.
[06:24] <DK1> Yagisan > Sorry should have made it clear, they are occuring during the kernel load on the client.
[06:25] <Yagisan> DK1: the clients show a lot of "errors" on boot, as they has a read only filesystem and expect a read-write filesystem
[06:25] <Yagisan> DK1: those errors are harmless
[06:25] <Yagisan> not logging in however - seems to be the ssh key issue
[06:26] <Yagisan> on the server in a terminal try running "sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys" then reboot a client and try to log in
[06:27] <DK1> Yagisan > Thanks, I didnt think they where to serious as it is starting X, Ill check ssh now thanks
[06:27] <Yagisan> make sure the account you are trying to log into exists on the server
[06:27] <Yagisan> no worries
[06:28] <Yagisan> I've got to duck out now - have to a potential customer - I'll be back in several hours
[06:28] <Yagisan> goo luck
[06:28] <Yagisan> s/goo/good
[06:28] <DK1> Yagisan > Thanks mate
[06:30] <dabaR> DK1: let me know whether that fixed it, so I know for the future, please.
[06:32] <DK1> Yagisan is a legend, worked first time .. Funny cause I had just tried to login using another bash terminal and got no such user, so the keys where the prob, awsome  !
[06:34] <dabaR> thanks for letting me know, hopefully it helps in the future.
[06:36] <DK1> dabaR > Just as a note that was a vanilla install of 5.10, im going to install crossover now, wish me luck 
[06:36] <dabaR> good luck.
[08:23] <JaneW> morning
[08:23] <highvoltage> morning
[08:31] <highvoltage> what does "infinite justice" mean wrt a new server setup? :)
[08:46] <jsgotangco> lol
[08:46] <jsgotangco> all your servers are belong to us
[08:48] <jane_> highvoltage: sorry got disconnected, did you respond?
[08:50] <JaneW> heh freudian slip (trying to be Jane S and Jane W) ;)
[08:55] <highvoltage> JaneW: i didn't get a response either :)
[08:55] <highvoltage> hehe
[08:55] <jsgotangco> hey you two
[08:56] <highvoltage> hey js
[08:56] <highvoltage> figured out what infinite justice is yet? :P
[08:57] <JaneW> give some more context please...?
[08:57] <JaneW> hi jsgotangco 
[08:57] <highvoltage> JaneW: in the context of setting up a server?
[08:57] <highvoltage> an ubuntu server, see mdz's announcement :)
[08:57] <JaneW> well who or what siad that
[08:58] <jsgotangco> infinite justice
[09:05] <JaneW> no idea, I can't find any reference...
[09:14] <JaneW> :)
[09:21] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: why :( ?
[09:21] <jsgotangco> i only have a few at adi gave me during udu
[09:23] <JaneW> highvoltage: hilton keep promising me a Geek Freedom Legue t-shirt - but I never get it :(
[09:24] <JaneW> League even
[09:24] <jsgotangco> i tried doing an edubuntu sticker for my laptop but it didnt look nice at all so i was thinking of having a few printed outside
[09:27] <Jeromee> is there an Ubuntu-Server channel?
[09:37] <JaneW> not sure...
[09:37] <JaneW> try.
[10:22] <JaneW> can we tell how many ppl have d/led edubuntu 5.10 since the launch?
[10:25] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[10:25] <jsgotangco> good question
[10:28] <highvoltage> anyone seen hno73 around?
[10:29] <jsgotangco> rolling around prolly :)
[10:32] <highvoltage> heh
[10:32] <JaneW> jsgotangco: are you in anyway able to u/l Steve Torrefranca's grub and GDM stuff? (pretty please) ... it's just sitting in my in box *waiting*
[10:33] <jsgotangco> u/l where?
[10:33] <JaneW> highvoltage: I don't think he's in yet
[10:33] <JaneW> jsgotangco: either to our wiki, or the ubuntu.art site
[10:34] <jsgotangco> ok let me dig up steve's email again
[10:34] <JaneW> jsgotangco: would you like to be an admin on the art site?
[10:36] <jsgotangco> sure
[10:36] <jsgotangco> err what license is this?
[10:37] <jsgotangco> JaneW, admin the server itself or the art portal?
[10:39] <JaneW> er art portal http://art.ubuntu.com/admin/index.php
[10:39] <jsgotangco> sure
[10:39] <JaneW> so you can moderate edubuntu art submissions etc
[10:39] <JaneW> I will ask hno73 to add you, he is battling to keep up with the load on the site (hence the delays)
[10:40] <jsgotangco> well i can do the other stuff as well (ubuntu/kubuntu)
[10:43] <JaneW> nod
[10:44] <JaneW> jsgotangco: have you got a login there yet? cos you'll need to create one to be promoted to admin...
[10:44] <jsgotangco> oh wait
[10:49] <jsgotangco> JaneW, ok created login already
[10:52] <JaneW> jsgotangco: cool
[10:56] <ajmitch_> hi all
[10:56] <ajmitch_> how are things looking today? :)
[10:59] <JaneW> hi ajmitch_ 
[12:47] <JaneW> can we tell how many ppl have d/led edubuntu 5.10 since the launch?
[12:48] <JaneW> no one has put any comments in http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuBreezyReleaseComments yet.
[01:04] <ogra> JaneW, i guess maswan Znarl or elmo can give us numbers
[01:11] <JaneW> ogra: ok thanks
[01:47] <highvoltage> strange.
[01:47] <highvoltage> i'm in an incredibly good mood today and i don't even know why.
[01:47] <highvoltage> which is weird, because i don't have "moods".
[01:47] <highvoltage> must be summer coming :)
[01:49] <JaneW> highvoltage: lol
[01:49] <JaneW> highvoltage: did someone give you a little pill to try or something? ;)
[01:50] <ogra> highvoltage, exactly the opposite here....
[01:50] <ogra> since two days its gray cold and wet here... winter coming....
[02:23] <highvoltage> JaneW: no, but if anyone did, please tell me which type of pill it is, and where i can buy it!
[02:23] <JaneW> highvoltage: that good huh?
[02:23] <highvoltage> ogra: the nice thing is, everybody else is cheering up too, it's like a big circle effect :)
[02:23] <highvoltage> JaneW: yep :)
[02:24] <ogra> highvoltage, same here... everybody gets depressive, it's like a big circle effect :)
[02:24] <highvoltage> heh
[02:49] <JaneW>  http://www.fixx.co.za/pics/00025628.jpg <- caught in the act
[02:54] <ogra> lol
[03:13] <highvoltage> #18168 :)
[03:14] <ogra> wasnt this screensahot gone already ? i didnt see it anymore
[03:15] <highvoltage> i removed just the screenshot, but i only replaced it now.
[03:15] <highvoltage> http://www.edubuntu.org/tour.html is now the new screenshots page
[03:16] <highvoltage> still incomplete, but better than the old one, at least.
[03:16] <ogra> looks cool :)
[03:16] <highvoltage> what's the difference between schoolbell and schooltool on edubuntu? or at least, how should I explain it to someone?
[03:16] <highvoltage> ogra: thanks :)
[03:17] <ogra> ignore schoolbell, its not installed in this release
[03:17] <ogra> will be in the next though
[03:17] <highvoltage> i'd like to flesh it out later with "Relevant documentation:" and "How to get there:"
[03:18] <highvoltage> and also add more meaningful screenshots. for instance, there's no data in the OOo screenshots, so it doesn't show much of what OOo is capable of. same for schooltool, etc.
[03:18] <ogra> yup
[03:19] <highvoltage> i need to get some blender examples too... blender looks a bit sucky with no doc open...
[03:20] <ogra> looks at the blender HP ... there are some
[03:21] <highvoltage> it seems like they are only small png's as well, i want something that i can open in blender so that i can show wire frame views, etc. perhaps i'm just looking past it... /me investigetes further...
[04:01] <highvoltage> ogra: what do you make of this?
[04:01] <highvoltage> 15:54 < stefanor> highvoltage: ubuntu LTSP definitly doesn't support sound - there is no esd installed on the thin client :-)
[04:02] <ogra> we surely wont use esd once we add sound :)
[04:02] <ogra> but he is right, we dont support sound yet.... 
[04:03] <highvoltage> ah, ok. i was mistaken then.
[04:03] <ogra> thats why http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes states that we neither support sound nor local devices now...
[04:05] <ogra> we'll work our a solution at UBZ with the ltsp core developers...
[04:06] <ogra> but i think it'll be a tunneled gstreamer connection for the desktop to the client... surely esd wont be involved... esd will (hopefully) finally die in dapper
[04:06] <ogra> we try to get rid of it since post warty
[04:07] <ogra> just installing esd on the client wont solve the prob btw...
[04:07] <highvoltage> yay!
[04:08] <highvoltage> i was under the impression that ubuntu likes esd, i'm glad it's going to die. i don't like esd.
[04:08] <highvoltage> esd--
[04:09] <ogra> we tried polypaudio in hoary, but there were bad issues and it wasnt actively maintained at this time
[04:09] <ogra> next release will go straight with dmix/alsa
[04:09] <ogra> and gstreamer indeed
[04:10] <ogra> my idea for ltsp was to use gstreamer to forward the sound encoded to the client... 
[04:10] <juliux> ogra, cool
[04:10] <ogra> probably flac endcoded...
[04:11] <ogra> and if the latency doesnt get to high even ssh tunneled
[04:13] <Yagisan> heh - so I do have useful ideas - UDU should have been longer
[04:14] <ogra> oh, yes credits for the codec selection go fully to Yagisan :)
[04:17] <JaneW> was Yagisan at udu?
[04:18] <highvoltage> cool.
[04:18] <ogra> JaneW, yup
[04:18] <JaneW> ogra:oic
[04:18] <JaneW> I hadn't realised...
[04:18] <ogra> he lives there :)
[04:19] <JaneW> ok I think I recall now
[04:26] <Yagisan> JaneW: did you give out t-shirts at UDU ?
[04:38] <JaneW> Yagisan: yes Claire and I
[04:39] <ogra> and sabdfl... at least in my case
[04:39] <JaneW> Yagisan: I think I remeber giving you one...?
[04:40] <Yagisan> JaneW: Then I definitely know I met you - I tried to get a second one for my wife,
[04:40] <JaneW> Yagisan: yes they were limited and restricted I am afraid...
[04:42] <Yagisan> yes - I remember it clearly now - "G'day, can I have another one" - "NO, now bow down before me, lord of the t-shirts - before I take yours back" :-P
[04:43] <Yagisan> rather comfortable t-shirt though, I wear it when I'm expected to be doing the "linux geek" thing :)
[04:44] <Yagisan> now I just need an edubuntu t-shirt to go with it :) hint hint
[04:48] <JaneW> I did not threaten to take yours back! :P
[04:48] <JaneW> cool
[04:48] <ogra> will pepare one for me for UBZ :) 
[04:49] <ogra> i dont have a shop for t.shirts nearby, else i would produce a handfull
[04:50] <ogra> i also want a <mdz groupie> and a <Kamion fanboy> shirt :)
[04:51] <Yagisan> JaneW: details, details
[06:35] <_tirian_> Is it fairly simple to replace K12LTSP with Edubuntu?
[06:36] <_tirian_> I already have that installed at the school, but I really don't like Fedora at all (which K12LTSP is based on).
[06:38] <ogra> _tirian_, its very easy ... see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes, that and the linked subpages are all you need to do
[06:40] <BeanDip> anyone around?
[06:42] <ogra> sure
[06:44] <_tirian_> ogra, Thanks.
[06:45] <ogra> if you got questions, just come back here :)
[06:45] <BeanDip> anyone around?
[06:45] <BeanDip> under debian ltsp seemed to use my server system's user accounts not accounts created within the ltsp directory tree
[06:45] <BeanDip> I'm lostrnwhat am I doing wrong?
[06:45] <BeanDip> sorry wrong window
[06:47] <ogra> but i cant imagine a ltsp thin client environment where you create any users in the ltsp chroot btw :)
[06:48] <BeanDip> ogra
[06:49] <BeanDip> under debian with ltsp it used my server's users
[06:49] <BeanDip> not users from the chroot
[06:49] <ogra> yes, thats how ubuntu/edubuntu does it too
[06:49] <ogra> and i couldnt imagine a thin client setup where it would be different
[06:50] <BeanDip> here let me try repasting my full questionrnputty under windows acts wierd with my naim client
[06:50] <ogra> who told you you would have to create users in the chroot ? 
[06:50] <BeanDip> I follow the wiki instructions and everything seems fine, I get an ldm login (very plane grey box with no decor) but when I
[06:50] <BeanDip> I try loging in it seems as though it accepts the login, tries to start an xsession, the screen flickers and it cocomes back to the login box. I try switching to the console
[06:50] <BeanDip> to login but it doesn't seem that any of my user accounts are available. on the server I sudo -s and chroot into the /opt/ltsp/i386 dir, and create a user account in the
[06:50] <ogra> you use edubuntu ? 
[06:51] <BeanDip> chroot environment and on the thinclient boxes I'm able to login with that, but find that the ubuntu-desktop has not been installed in the ltsp environmentrn am I missing something here?
[06:51] <BeanDip> I haven't tried edubuntu yet
[06:51] <BeanDip> but someone else on irc said I should ask herernI was using breezy with the ltsp-server-standalone
[06:51] <ogra> ah, sounds like a messed up ubuntu then... dont create users in the chroot...
[06:52] <BeanDip> ogra
[06:52] <ogra> most liekly your sshd isnt running or the sshkey isnt copied into the chroot
[06:52] <BeanDip> oh
[06:52] <BeanDip> question then
[06:52] <ogra> look if /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts exists and isnt empty
[06:52] <BeanDip> can I skip out on all the artwork and theming designed for children under edubuntu?
[06:52] <ogra> else run sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys on the server
[06:53] <BeanDip> because this is for a corporate thinclient
[06:53] <ogra> you can uninstall edubuntu-artwork... but it will be a bit complicated to get rid of all the edu apps indeed
[06:57] <BeanDip> sheeshrnI should not undertake projects like this on so little sleep
[06:58] <BeanDip> maybe if I take a nap I'll find what's going wrong with my breezy/ltsp
[11:47] <jelkner> ogra: oliver, you here?
[11:48] <ogra> jelkner, yes
[11:48] <jelkner> i want to make a short how-to on setting up edubuntu when not using the default network
[11:48] <jelkner> i'm on a server with 2 nics
[11:49] <jelkner> currently eth0 is setup to be on the office lan which is using 192.168.0.x
[11:49] <jelkner> and we are using dhcp to get an address on that network
[11:49] <jelkner> so the ltsp side needs to be something else
[11:50] <jelkner> i'm guessing 192.168.1.x would be a good choice?
[11:50] <jelkner> (that's what we are using now)
[11:50] <ogra> the howto is, install with one nic, enable the second one post install and if you think you need it set up NAT like described in the howto we already have
[11:50] <ogra> taht how it worked for many people now...
[11:51] <jelkner> when you say, "install with one nic", which one?
[11:51] <ogra> you arent bound to any ip range anymore since the release
[11:51] <ogra> pick as you like
[11:51] <ogra> it doesnt matter...
[11:52] <jelkner> well, since the install is going to want net access to check for updates and such, i should set eth0 to use that, with dhcp, yes?
[11:52] <ogra> the dhcp server will server the matching card to the dhcpd.conf file you set up like described in the install doc
[11:52] <jelkner> i apologize, i haven't read the install doc
[11:52] <jelkner> where is it?
[11:53] <ogra>  http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes 
[11:53] <jelkner> cool
[11:53] <ogra> has thre links at the bottom...
[11:53] <ogra> *three
[11:54] <ogra> it really doesnt matter how you do it... the dhcp server will use the NIC with the matching IP 
[11:54] <ogra> the next release will allow one NIC to be dhcp client driven and the other to have a static one where it servers the thin clients
[11:55] <ogra> (there is not much in the install doc ;) )
[11:55] <jelkner> but that is what i want now
[11:55] <ogra> since there is not much to do
[11:55] <jelkner> i want the thin clients on the static eth1
[11:56] <jelkner> with 192.168.1.x
[11:56] <ogra> fine 
[11:56] <jelkner> is that in the doc (i didn't finish reading yet)
[11:56] <jelkner> ?
[11:56] <ogra> it doesnt need to be in the doc
[11:56] <jelkner> why?
[11:56] <ogra> if you have two nics the installer gives you a choice
[11:57] <ogra> so you pick the one you need for install, give it an ip (dhcp is disabled on install) and do your instll
[11:57] <jelkner> seperate choices for network and thin clients?
[11:58] <ogra> post install you grab the gui and myke your settings as needed
[11:58] <ogra> sorry, i'm working since 20h excuse my tyopos
[11:58] <jelkner> what about getting the thin clients to work?
[11:58] <jelkner> no problem
[11:59] <ogra> as stated in the doc... you edit the dhcpd file to match the right interface, thats all
[11:59] <jelkner> ok, let me finish reading the doc
[12:01] <jelkner> wow, the docs are beautiful!
[12:01] <jelkner> ok, i'm ready to go... thanks!
[12:02] <jelkner> talk to you later...
[12:02] <ogra> they certainly need improvement ... so if you have suggestions, go ahead :)
[12:02] <jelkner> what i see looks great
[12:02] <ogra> i'll do a detailed description how it works interneally....
[12:03] <jelkner> it is a clear, step-by-step telling you what you need to know to make it work
[12:03] <ogra> most of the support i have is caused by people that try to use ltspadmin iin edubuntu
[12:03] <jelkner> ah, i've never done that
[12:04] <jelkner> i'm not even familiar with ltspadmin
[12:04] <ogra> while edbuntu ltsp can work with lts.conf, ltspadmin seems to add some very broken settings (at least for edubuntu)